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When politicians are feeling the heat, they start a war and their popularity goes up even if the war is unnecessary or completely ridiculous. Donald Trump, the presidential candidate who promised that he would not take the nation into another Middle Eastern war, did so when he launched a fifty-nine cruise missile barrage against a Syrian Air Base even before he knew for sure what had happened on the ground. It was totally stupid but proved to be popular, even among talking heads and Congressmen, some of whom described his action as “presidential” in the best sense of the word.

It’s the same in Israel. For those who have not been following developments there, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been under pressure due to an ongoing investigation for corruption. One of the truly great things about Israel is that while they have a lot of corrupt politicians, just like everywhere else, they actually investigate, indict, prosecute, convict and send them to jail. The betting is that Netanyahu will soon be in prison, so he has been responding in the time-honored fashion by threatening his neighbors and hinting at the possibility of increased military action and even war. If there is a war going on, he believes, probably correctly, that no one will want to remove him.

In an amicable recent meeting with Russia’s Vladimir Putin, Netanyahu stressed that there are some red lines that Israel will not allow to be crossed, while also suggesting that some of them have already been violated, most notably through the alleged construction of an Iranian military base inside Syria. Netanyahu provided Putin with “top secret intelligence” to make his point and told the Russian premier that “Iran is making an accelerated effort to entrench itself militarily in Syria. This poses a danger to Israel, the Middle East and in my opinion the world itself.”

Netanyahu characteristically depicted himself as restrained in his responses, telling Putin that Israel had taken only limited action in Syria against Hezbollah supply lines, but that was a lie as Israel has also hit Syrian army positions. Netanyahu described an Iran that is largely a fantasy creation of his own Foreign Ministry, “We don’t for a second forget that Iran continues to threaten Israel’s destruction on a daily basis. It arms terrorist organizations and initiates terror itself. It is developing intercontinental ballistic missiles with the intention to equip them with nuclear warheads.” He went on to claim that his strategic objective was to prevent the development of an Iranian controlled land bridge, described as “territorial continuity,” that would extend through Iraq, Syria and Lebanon to the Mediterranean Sea.

The reality is, however, somewhat different, that Israel has long preferred chaos in Syria since it eliminates any threat from a unified and powerful government in Damascus. But just as nature abhors a vacuum that policy had a considerable downside with Iranian supported militias and Revolutionary Guard units increasingly become part of the conflict, picking up the slack where the Syrian Army has been too overstretched to operate. Iranian influence over Syria, both overtly and covertly, will continue after Damascus eliminates the last vestiges of al-Qaeda affiliates and ISIS, not to mention the rag-tag “moderate rebels.” And Iran will have standing behind it the Syrian Army, Iraqi Shi’a militias, and Russian firepower. This has meant that the Israeli plan to have a chronically weak state across its border has backfired, bringing into the fighting and post-war reconfiguration Iran, which Tel Aviv fears most as a regional adversary.

So Israel has two strong motives to begin a war with Iran, one political and the other ostensibly linked to national security. Ironically, however, it also knows, and has even admitted, that Iran does not actually pose any threat against a nuclear armed Israel that has complete air superiority over any or even all of its neighbors. The often-cited land bridge threat is also a bit of a chimera, as whether it could potentially exist or not depends on effective interaction with Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq, all of which have their own political dynamics and are somewhat wary of Iranian involvement. If there is any actual threat against Israel it comes from Hezbollah in Lebanon, which is an independent player even though it has strong ties to Tehran, but even in that case the threat is not as serious as fearmongering government leaders have claimed.

All of which is not to suggest that Iran is toothless if Israel were to get really aggressive. Hezbollah would undoubtedly unleash its missile arsenal against Israeli cities, some of which would get through, and any attack on Iran using aircraft would be confronted by formidable air defenses. Iran could also strike back against Israel using its ballistic missiles, all of which means that attacking Iran would be far from cost-free.

From Netanyahu’s point of view, it is far better to stage an incident that brings in Washington and then allows Uncle Sam to do the heavy lifting. The U.S. has strategic military capabilities that Israel lacks, including heavy bombers and armaments that could penetrate Iranian defenses, but it also has vulnerabilities in terms of military bases within striking range and ships at sea that could be attacked by swarms of small boats and land launched missiles.

Israel believes that bringing Washington into the conflict is doable given that the U.S. media has heavily propagandized against Tehran and that inside-the-beltway groupthink largely perceives Iran as an enemy. Recently Henry Kissinger spelled out the new line of strategic thinking which Israel is already exploiting to make its case. Per Kissinger, the impending defeat of ISIS in Syria and Iraq will create a power vacuum which will open the door to the creation of an “Iranian radical empire,” a more evocative version of the “land bridge” warning, which he refers to as a “territorial belt reaching from Tehran to Beirut.” As Iran is also fighting ISIS, Kissinger warns against complacency, that “in the contemporary Middle East…the enemy of your enemy is also your enemy.”

Israel has been pushing hard on Washington, recently having sent a high-level combined intelligence and military delegation to confer with National Security Adviser H. R. McMaster and Special Mideast Envoy Jason Greenblatt to explain the alleged Iranian threat. And the neocon chorus is also signaling that it expects the Trump Administration to do something. Frederick Hof of the hardline Atlantic Council recently wrote that the fundamental mistake made by Washington consisted of not invading Syria and installing an acceptable government years ago, which would have kept Iran out.

Saudi Arabia, which is demonstrating some signs of political instability, would also welcome conflict with Iran, which means that there is an existing coming-together of parties who for various reasons would welcome the escape from other problems that war offers. Donald Trump himself was angry at the State Department in July because it had certified that Tehran was in compliance with the nuclear pact signed last year and Congress also vented its anger by initiating new sanctions against Iran. The next certification is due in October and the president would clearly like to have a good reason, contrived or actual, to break the agreement.

Speculation in Israel is that some kind of preemptive strike is being planned, possibly directed against an Iranian target inside Syria. The danger is that such a move could quickly escalate, with the U.S. Congress and White House quickly aligning themselves with Netanyahu. The United States has no real compelling interest to attack the Iranians and would again find itself in a conflict generated by feckless regional allies that are not allies at all. The results could prove catastrophic in practical terms as Iran is capable of striking back, and it could be devastating to actual American longer terms interests both regionally and worldwide. It is time to say “no” when Israel comes knocking.

 
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  1. Oh yeah, of course we should trust the judgment of such a great one as Henry Kissinger (snark), who sacrificed the Christian people of East Timor on a whim, and whose idea of ‘real politik’ is to give away everything that CCP’s Standing Committee wants, including Taiwan! And yet, none dare call it treason!

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Why do you say "on a whim"?
    , @El Dato
    Taiwan is still Taiwan, Kinda sorta.

    But yeah, old (((Henry))) was basically out of Game of Thrones. And then he got awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Henry Kissinger Song
    , @John Jeremiah Smith

    Oh yeah, of course we should trust the judgment of such a great one as Henry Kissinger (snark), who sacrificed the Christian people of East Timor on a whim, and whose idea of ‘real politik’ is to give away everything that CCP’s Standing Committee wants, including Taiwan! And yet, none dare call it treason!
     
    It's treason!
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    Oh yeah, of course we should trust the judgment of such a great one as Henry Kissinger (snark),
     
    American diplomacy of the last 50 years can hardly be called successful--in fact, most of it is unmitigated disaster. The American geopolitical thought, from Morgenthau's to Kissinger's "realism" was also rather sterile. One is hardly pressed to consider late Zbig's or Kissinger's platitudes to be of any academic or practical value. It is getting worse, not better, sadly. The only work of some consequence which had a global impact, despite some mistakes, was Huntington's The Clash Of Civilizations--the rest is a collection of bland recycled ideas and grand ignorance of subjects. Paradoxically, late Zbig called on US Armed Forces to shoot Israeli aircraft down if they try to mount bombing raids against Iran.
    , @Realist
    Henry Kissinger has lived in this country 79 years, since he left Germany at the age of 15. And the dumb son-of-a-bitch still has a heavy German accent.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Taiwan is not ours to "give away." Let's stay out of it. Whether one bunch of Chinese people (Taiwan) is swallowed up by another bunch of Chinese people (mianland china) is of little concern to my family or my nation.
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  2. Ivy says:

    Bibi’s picture may send a message that derails his plans, if the reaction is anything like what Seinfeld experienced in the famous pick episode. Images are evocative and speak to people on an emotional level, so can Bibi survive yet another alarmist episode among his viewers?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pick

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  3. nsa says:

    Can’t start the war yet……need a quorum but half the Wash DC KnessetWhores have not returned from their all expenses paid trip to IzzieVille to get the latest instructions from and suck up to their jooie pimpmeister, the ex furniture salesman from Philly.

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    • Replies: @Sowhat
    I agree while I ROFL. Geopolitics is most entertaining. Pity that it has to include real deaths of so many innocents. All of the bluster from all of the Heads of State, especially the "Western" variety- it's so entertaining and so scary...much better than any modern-day horror movie.
  4. The only way to force peace on Israel is political and/or economical.
    There is no military option, Israel prefers suicide, with destruction of the world, to negotiations which Israel does not control.

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    • Replies: @One Tribe
    Jilles, exactly correct; this illegitimate zionist occupation/pseudo-state, is the most prepared for catastrophic global-level collapse; so they will push harder then anybody else, putting world collapse on the line, thinking that in a 100 years or so, their position will be relatively stronger.
    It is the lowest form of moral ever seen, and none of their so called enemies have ever been close to being so anti-human and anti-planet.

    illegitimate zionist occupation:
    the ONLY 'country' to ever get conditional recognition as a state (at the United Nations), based on the conditions that ALL displaced Palestinian/indigenous compensated; clearly not happened/going to happen, thus the political entity so-called Israel is unambiguously illegitimate.

    the most dangerous government in the world
    because they are willing to gamble on global collapse/nuclear war, as a policy, they are endangering everybody on the planet, all living things on the planet and the biosphere itself; this is nothing short of the ultimate 'crimes against humanity', not to mention the ongoing genocide against the indigenous Palestinian population.

    Net-in-yahoo
    clearly sociopathic, caring only for the jewish/israeli people who serve his personal psychophantic ambitions; he is their enemy/oppressor even more than the rest of the world population.

    Iran undoubtedly has a 'poison pill', and will use it if nuclear weapons are used against them, BY ANY ONE, then all but the elite in the occupied Palestinian mandate lands will be horribly killed, and the land desecrate for thousands of years!

    But the removal of net-in-Yahu will not unfortunately remove the threat from the planet, and we will have to see the empire fall, at least the U.S.A. implode, before any real mitigations can be done to the threat.

    I'm not against anyone by prejudice, this is all about the facts as they exist today.
    The regime in the Palestinian mandate lands is devoted to negative-sum-gain gaming, and the planet simply cannot sustain this scale of it, any more.
    , @Jake
    There is a good deal of truth in that assessment. It comes from the Jewish faith in being The Chosen Race.

    When the Romans surrounded Jerusalem, priests and Pharisee Rabbis both stood on the walls and prayed. Their prayers featured ones that reminded God that He could allow his Chosen Race to be destroyed, so God must smite the Romans.

    Jews have been replaying that event since, giving God every chance needed for Him to prove that He will smite the entire worlds to save the Chosen Race.

  5. Sloopyjoe says:

    Several players come to mind:

    1) Lil Bibi is having a hissy fit due to his impeding incarceration and Yinon Plan going “Poof”.
    2) The players in the soon-to-be officially dead Petro-Dollar and financially imploding dying Empire of Tampons are in desperate need of a distraction.
    3) The Globalist Banksters need a distraction from their impending multi-hundred trillion $ derivatives implosion.
    4) The eternally and willfully gullible Yankistani Peasants need to be herded into another Flag Waving and chest beating episode of distractive retardation.

    Another similar episode is in play with the recent “alleged” launch by North Korea. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

    All Wars are Bankster Wars.

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  6. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Both Netenyahu and his wife are under investigations for corruption.

    By now, per our Overlord’s orders to its Congressional minions, Syria should of been totally destroyed and Assad given a bayonet enema, freeing up the Pentagon to attack Iran.

    But Putin stepped in and upset the Great Game. So our Occupier–Israel–will find another way to turn its private merc Army–The Pentagon–loose on Iran.

    Does ‘Lucky Larry’ Silverstein own any more asbestos laced skyscrapers?

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  7. mp says:

    Bibi N is just blowing smoke. He needs some hubris to appear strong. His bitch, the US, is too bogged down everywhere else in the world to take more marching orders. This is pretty much a big nothing. I doubt Putin takes him seriously. And I doubt Israel would do anything unilaterally, but Jews tend to be a paranoid, neurotic bunch, so who knows?

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  8. @Grandpa Charlie
    Oh yeah, of course we should trust the judgment of such a great one as Henry Kissinger (snark), who sacrificed the Christian people of East Timor on a whim, and whose idea of 'real politik' is to give away everything that CCP's Standing Committee wants, including Taiwan! And yet, none dare call it treason!

    Why do you say “on a whim”?

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    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    you actually understood what his comment was about?
    , @Wizard of Oz
    I glanced at it and, as an Audtralian aware of our own inglorious vacillations in dealing with East Timor and Indonesia over about a 25 year period, I was curious about Kissinger's remaining relevance to US policy in December 1975 - so I Googled and was left with just my curiosity as to how the Realpolitischer could be described as acting "on a whim" in that case. Add my good or bad habit of trying to punish or at least highlight the sloppy or misleading arguments which diminish the value one might otherwise, occasionally, get from UR comments.
  9. Anyone notice this little point …..

    Trump reveals ‘top secret intelligence’ to high Russian officials ‘to make his point’ in a meeting, and is hammered for it in the corporate pro-war media and threatened with impeachment for doing so.

    Netanyaaaahooooo reveals ‘top secret intelligence’ to high Russian officials ‘to make his point’ and this becomes a talking point in the corporate pro-war media that shows how serious the situation is and becomes a part of the case for wasting $Trillions more and getting more American kids killed in yet another America-Last War.

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    • Agree: Ace
    • Replies: @Avery
    good observation
    , @truthtellerAryan
    Hi Robert Lee, Netanyahu is The Godfather, Trump is just POTUS. You can't question authority, it's treason, as we've seen over the decades a Jooie is innocent even if proven guilty. Only his/her equal can question their innocence. We can hull all kinds of insults to our POTUS and question any policy, as long as it doesn't touch or question Israel or its leaders and their crimes
    How many Jews have committed highest acts of treason against this country and its allies that will never see a day in court. Of course not a word from the ZioMedia.
    But you can read it in Har'etz.
    , @Carroll Price
    Sorry Robert Lee, but you're gonna have to change your name.
  10. Trump needs a victory. He tried to pick a fight with China. He had to back down. Ditto with North Korea. His Afghanistan surge will fizzle out: state parties always lose guerilla wars. Iran could be next on the list as Trump slowly “slouches” towards the only war he can win and which will do him any good: the “war on Putin”. The first step in that will probably be a re-igniting of the war in Syria. Putin has bogged himself down there and is totally trapped. The US can lower the boom on him at any time. An (unwinnable) guerilla war, attacking the Russian bases and Russian military personnel, would probably be the most effective.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Trump's Afghan surge?

    Spare us, it was racist Obama who did the serious 'surging'.

    I see you're still clinging to the laughable Putin - Russian collusion canard.
    But then you did vote for Hillary / Obama 3.

    BTW, under Trump:

    US revised second-quarter GDP up 3.0% vs 2.7% rise expected
    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/30/us-revised-second-quarter-gdp.html

    President Trump Has Now Signed 40 Pieces Of Legislation As He Moves To Enact His Agenda
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/25/president-trump-has-now-signed-40-pieces-of-legislation-as-he-moves-to-enact-his-agenda/

    President Trump Eliminates 860 Obama-Era Federal Regulations
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/21/great-again-trump-eliminates-860-obama-era-federal-regulations/

    In First 2 Months in Office – Trump Reduces Debt by $100 Billion – Obama Increased Debt by $400 Billion – Half a Trillion Dollar Difference!
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/355719/

    and of course:

    Jews created fake Jewish graves
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10337

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Israel's Dirty Little Secret
    How it drives US policies exploiting a spineless Congress and White House
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-dirty-little-secret/

    How to Bring Down the Elephant in the Room
    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/how-to-bring-down-the-elephant-in-the-room/

    Israeli occupied territories
    https://codoh.com/media/files/cartoon24s.png

    'Join the US army, Fight for Israel
    http://68.media.tumblr.com/639563970a638b606f4adb0ef05c778b/tumblr_inline_o7t4eewwJn1r75mb5_500.jpg
  11. @Wizard of Oz
    Why do you say "on a whim"?

    you actually understood what his comment was about?

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    What I intended as a Reply to you appears as a a Reply to my otiginsl comment #16 as now numnered.
  12. Israel would not dare start a war with Iran with out the backing and involvement of the U.S. and that war would be with not just Iran but with Russia as Russia sees where the end result would be and even though the Zionists dual citizens rule the Pentagram not even the Pentagram wants to die in a nuclear exchange with Russia.

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  13. Avery says:
    @Robert Lee
    Anyone notice this little point .....

    Trump reveals 'top secret intelligence' to high Russian officials 'to make his point' in a meeting, and is hammered for it in the corporate pro-war media and threatened with impeachment for doing so.

    Netanyaaaahooooo reveals 'top secret intelligence' to high Russian officials 'to make his point' and this becomes a talking point in the corporate pro-war media that shows how serious the situation is and becomes a part of the case for wasting $Trillions more and getting more American kids killed in yet another America-Last War.

    good observation

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  14. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    If there is any actual threat against Israel it comes from Hezbollah in Lebanon,

    Hezbollah represents a portion of a small country. They cannot project outwards very far. It was formed in the wake of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and is meant to defend the Shia of Lebanon. It’s not a “threat” unless one understands that word to mean capable of defending itself. Likewise, the forming “territorial belt” is an outcome of the original US- Saudi and others, policy of aggression and terrorism against Syria and Iraq. The policy has had unexpected consequences and the affected parties have realized they must coalesce for mutual protection against further attack. This is not difficult to understand; it’s a natural self-protective response. Now of course since the failure of the original policies are leading to their having a greater ability to fight back things have ratcheted up so any aggression would require yet greater levels of military force. There’s a realization that to thwart this “territorial belt” from forming action would have to be taken very soon before they get too entrenched. Hence the anxiety. None of this would be happening except for the arrogance of previous US policies of warmongering and attacking weaker states. Action leads to reaction. This is blowback.

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    • Agree: Talha, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    I think perhaps we end up in substantial agreement as I have noted before that the rational explanation for Israel's obsessive attempts to break the Iran-Syria-Hezbollah nexus is fear of what Hezbollsh, proven to be almost impregnable in defense, might do under Iranian influence and with Iranian weapons , especially rockets, reliably supplied.

    Now, PG's article adds an element that I hadn't factored in at all, namely Netanyahu's particular reason for desperation. Relevant obviously, but likely to have much to do with the outcome? That must depend on the US President and Congress beong so feckless and ignorant that they cannot wait and watch the inevitsble curbing of Netanyahu's desperate ploys by Israeli colleauges. That is the one thing PG doesn't give its due importance, namely the short leash N will now be on within his own coalition and Likud party.
  15. http://www.trunews.com/article/genie-oil-the-syria-goldman-sachs-israel-isis-connection

    Has Putin/Lavrov told Netanyahu to bugger off and go back to the Former illegal Golan lines Israel stole from Syria with UNSCRs demanding Israel exit and return to Syria?

    No, ….Israel sits on more stolen Syrian Golan with the Safezone deal Putin/Lavrov cut for them.

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  16. @Wizard of Oz
    Why do you say "on a whim"?

    I glanced at it and, as an Audtralian aware of our own inglorious vacillations in dealing with East Timor and Indonesia over about a 25 year period, I was curious about Kissinger’s remaining relevance to US policy in December 1975 – so I Googled and was left with just my curiosity as to how the Realpolitischer could be described as acting “on a whim” in that case. Add my good or bad habit of trying to punish or at least highlight the sloppy or misleading arguments which diminish the value one might otherwise, occasionally, get from UR comments.

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    • Replies: @hyperbola
    Crimes Against Humanity From Ford to Saddam
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2007/01/06/crimes-against-humanity-from-ford-to-saddam/

    Now that both Gerald Ford and Saddam Hussein are dead and buried, the question of how they will be remembered here in the United States arises. If the talk of officialdom and the mainstream media outlets thus far is any indicator-and surely it is-the U.S. collective memories of the two leaders will be diametrically opposed.....

    ..... On Dec. 6, 1975, Ford and Henry Kissinger, his secretary of state, were in Jakarta, Indonesia to meet the country’s dictator, General Suharto. Ford was fully cognizant of Indonesia’s plans to launch an imminent invasion of the former Portuguese Timor. According to declassified documents published by the Washington-based National Security Archive, Ford assured Suharto that with regard to East Timor, “[We] will not press you on the issue. We understand . . . the intentions you have.” (1)

    Suharto needed Washington’s go-ahead due to a 1958 agreement that prohibited Indonesia from using U.S.-origin weaponry, which made up 90 percent of Jakarta’s arsenal at the time, except for “legitimate national self-defense.” (2) For this reason Kissinger suggested that the invasion be framed as self-defense, thus circumventing any legal obstacles.

    Kissinger then expressed understanding for Indonesia’s “need to move quickly” and advised “that it would be better if it were done after we [he and Ford] returned [to the United States].” About 14 hours after their departure, Indonesian forces invaded neighboring East Timor.....
    ___________________________________________________________________

    We might also remember that other criminals from Kissinger's sect also got a big push from their activities relative to Timor.

    Beware a Wolfowitz in Sheep's Clothing
    Washington Backs Indonesian Military Again
    http://dissidentvoice.org/Mar05/Nevins0317.htm
  17. annamaria says:

    The roots of anti-Zionism have got more nutrients from Bibi: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-29/israel-threatens-bomb-assads-presidential-palace
    “A senior Israeli official warned the Russian government that if Iran continues to extend its reach in Syria, Israel will bomb Syrian President Bashar Assad’s palace in Damascus… Israel also warned that if serious changes do not happen in the region, Israel will make sure the ceasefire deal, reached by the United States and Russia in Astana, Kazakhstan, will be nullified. The warnings occurred in a meeting between Netanyahu and Russian President Vladimir Putin last week.”
    The moral midget wants more deaths and mayhem and destruction in the name of Eretz Israel.
    “Israel has been for years providing tacit support to al-Qaeda terrorists in Syria along its Golan borders. … Israel senses that international opinion is shifting quickly now that ISIS is rapidly folding. It knows that world opinion will not stomach another Iraq style invasion for regime change in the Middle East.”

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  18. One Tribe says:
    @jilles dykstra
    The only way to force peace on Israel is political and/or economical.
    There is no military option, Israel prefers suicide, with destruction of the world, to negotiations which Israel does not control.

    Jilles, exactly correct; this illegitimate zionist occupation/pseudo-state, is the most prepared for catastrophic global-level collapse; so they will push harder then anybody else, putting world collapse on the line, thinking that in a 100 years or so, their position will be relatively stronger.
    It is the lowest form of moral ever seen, and none of their so called enemies have ever been close to being so anti-human and anti-planet.

    illegitimate zionist occupation:
    the ONLY ‘country’ to ever get conditional recognition as a state (at the United Nations), based on the conditions that ALL displaced Palestinian/indigenous compensated; clearly not happened/going to happen, thus the political entity so-called Israel is unambiguously illegitimate.

    the most dangerous government in the world
    because they are willing to gamble on global collapse/nuclear war, as a policy, they are endangering everybody on the planet, all living things on the planet and the biosphere itself; this is nothing short of the ultimate ‘crimes against humanity’, not to mention the ongoing genocide against the indigenous Palestinian population.

    Net-in-yahoo
    clearly sociopathic, caring only for the jewish/israeli people who serve his personal psychophantic ambitions; he is their enemy/oppressor even more than the rest of the world population.

    Iran undoubtedly has a ‘poison pill’, and will use it if nuclear weapons are used against them, BY ANY ONE, then all but the elite in the occupied Palestinian mandate lands will be horribly killed, and the land desecrate for thousands of years!

    But the removal of net-in-Yahu will not unfortunately remove the threat from the planet, and we will have to see the empire fall, at least the U.S.A. implode, before any real mitigations can be done to the threat.

    I’m not against anyone by prejudice, this is all about the facts as they exist today.
    The regime in the Palestinian mandate lands is devoted to negative-sum-gain gaming, and the planet simply cannot sustain this scale of it, any more.

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  19. Moi says:
    @DESERT FOX
    Israel would not dare start a war with Iran with out the backing and involvement of the U.S. and that war would be with not just Iran but with Russia as Russia sees where the end result would be and even though the Zionists dual citizens rule the Pentagram not even the Pentagram wants to die in a nuclear exchange with Russia.

    Putin is a wuss, and will do zilch.

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    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith

    Putin is a wuss, and will do zilch.
     
    More correctly, and without the insertion of partisan invective, Putin is an effective executive and patriot. He will do what is in the best interests of Russia. As he should. As all chief executives should, but don't.
    , @richard vajs
    Putin may be a wuss, but he is well tempered wuss, and one highly respected by his own Russian constituents. Therefore, he can be more objective. And what a disaster that would be for the Zionists - to have a confident, honest judge presiding over the Mid East affairs. Especially a judge who can readily see that Mid East peace depends upon justice being done for the Palestinians. Justice for Palestinians ? - What a disaster for the free-loaders seizing everything not nailed down in the West Bank.
    No wonder, Putin is hated so intensely by the Israeli-First crowd - he represents a potential block to the Israeli land-grab. All of the Zionists and their paid stooges like the main stream media, the bought and paid for DLC, and the Clintons are answering the clarion call to attack and smear Putin and the Russians before something disastrous happens to Israeli expansion. Putin and the Russians must keep their honest noses out of a cozy American/Israeli arrangement.
  20. @anonymous

    If there is any actual threat against Israel it comes from Hezbollah in Lebanon,
     
    Hezbollah represents a portion of a small country. They cannot project outwards very far. It was formed in the wake of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and is meant to defend the Shia of Lebanon. It's not a "threat" unless one understands that word to mean capable of defending itself. Likewise, the forming "territorial belt" is an outcome of the original US- Saudi and others, policy of aggression and terrorism against Syria and Iraq. The policy has had unexpected consequences and the affected parties have realized they must coalesce for mutual protection against further attack. This is not difficult to understand; it's a natural self-protective response. Now of course since the failure of the original policies are leading to their having a greater ability to fight back things have ratcheted up so any aggression would require yet greater levels of military force. There's a realization that to thwart this "territorial belt" from forming action would have to be taken very soon before they get too entrenched. Hence the anxiety. None of this would be happening except for the arrogance of previous US policies of warmongering and attacking weaker states. Action leads to reaction. This is blowback.

    I think perhaps we end up in substantial agreement as I have noted before that the rational explanation for Israel’s obsessive attempts to break the Iran-Syria-Hezbollah nexus is fear of what Hezbollsh, proven to be almost impregnable in defense, might do under Iranian influence and with Iranian weapons , especially rockets, reliably supplied.

    Now, PG’s article adds an element that I hadn’t factored in at all, namely Netanyahu’s particular reason for desperation. Relevant obviously, but likely to have much to do with the outcome? That must depend on the US President and Congress beong so feckless and ignorant that they cannot wait and watch the inevitsble curbing of Netanyahu’s desperate ploys by Israeli colleauges. That is the one thing PG doesn’t give its due importance, namely the short leash N will now be on within his own coalition and Likud party.

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  21. Pandos says:

    Nukes shipped to Iran, Israel shuts up. Peace.

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    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Iran has uranium ore deposits - they can build a bomb any time they want. Iran doesn't need to have them shipped to them.
  22. @Astuteobservor II
    you actually understood what his comment was about?

    What I intended as a Reply to you appears as a a Reply to my otiginsl comment #16 as now numnered.

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  23. Socialism without National Character will fail.

    This is ignored by both TYT and Sargon.

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    • Replies: @hyperbola
    More complicated than simple-minded US propaganda.

    US Regime Change in Venezuela: The Truth is Easy if You Follow the Money
    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.es/2017/07/us-regime-change-in-venezuela-truth-is.html
    Venezuela's ongoing crisis is not driven by political ideology - it is not a battle of socialism versus capitalism or dictatorship versus democracy - it is the result of two centers of political power possessing opposing interests and colliding geopolitically. ....
    The Opposition is Pro-Washington, Not "Pro-Democracy"
    As early as 2002, US-backed regime change targeting then Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez, sought to violently overthrow Venezuela's political order and replace it with one obedient to Washington. Current leaders of the opposition were not only involved in the 2002 failed coup, many are documented to have received political and financial support from the United States government ever since....

    US Policymakers Openly Plot Against Venezuela
    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.es/2017/05/us-policymakers-openly-plot-against.html
    The US media has been paying increasing attention to the unfolding crisis in the South American nation of Venezuela. As the US media has done elsewhere, it is attempting to portray the unfolding crisis as a result of a corrupt dictatorship fighting against a "pro-democracy" opposition. In reality, it is simply a repeat of US-driven regime change aimed at toppling Venezuela's independent state institutions and replacing them with institutions created by and for US special interests.
    The "opposition" is comprised of US-backed political parties and US-funded fronts posing as nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) many of which are listed on the US State Department's National Endowment for Democracy (NED) website.....
    , @hyperbola
    Do you trust what US media tells us about Venezuela? Unfortunately much (spanish-language) information is suppressed and what is written in English is often censored.

    WHITE HELMETS” IN VENEZUELA
    http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2017/05/10/white-helmets-in-venezuela/
    As the dirty war against the Venezuelan people unfolds at a swift and ruthless pace, the best accounts and analysis are not available in English. The report below is an example of critical information that we need today. I am confident that readers can both understand what is said and make allowances for the fact this is run through a translator.

    ¿"Cascos Blancos" en Venezuela? (investigación)
    http://misionverdad.com/la-guerra-en-Venezuela/cascos-blancos-en-venezuela


    Venezuela's Economic Crisis: Does It Mean That the Left Has Failed?
    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/38094-venezuela-s-economic-crisis-does-it-mean-that-the-left-has-failed
    ..... The conventional wisdom has a set of predictable narratives to explain the current economic mess. "Socialism" has failed -- never mind that the vast majority of jobs created during the Hugo Chávez years were in the private sector, and that the size of the state has been much smaller than in France. The whole experiment, it is said, was a failure from the beginning....

    .... The reality is somewhat more complicated. First, the Bolivarian experiment did pretty well until 2014. From 2004 -- after the Chávez government got control over the national oil industry -- until 2014, real income per person grew by more than 2 percent annually. This is an enormous change from the horrendous long-term decline in the 20 years prior to Chávez, when GDP per capita actually shrank at an average annual rate of 1.2 percent. During the same years (2004–2014), poverty fell by 49 percent and extreme poverty by 63 percent -- and this counts only cash income. The number of people over 60 years old receiving public pensions tripled, and millions of Venezuelans gained access to health care and education. It is the gains over this decade of chavismo that explain how the United Socialist Party of Venezuela (PSUV) was able to win 41 percent of the vote in National Assembly elections in December 2015, despite serious shortages of consumer goods, 180 percent inflation and a deep recession.

    Now for the downward spiral of the economy over the past three years: Was this inevitable? And is it irreversible until the PSUV leaves power? To answer these questions, we must look at how Venezuela got into this situation, and how it might get out of it.....
    ____________________________________________________________

    If you can read spanish, you might get an idea of how the US is again being wagged by corrupt jewish bankers and the CFR from noting who produces the kind of propaganda in the MSM and international CIA-controlled media.

    MOISÉS NAÍM, ARTICULISTA DE EL PAÍS
    http://radio-berlin.blogspot.com.es/2008/03/moiss-nam-articulista-de-el-pas.html


    Venezuela: Target of Economic Warfare
    https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/venezuela-target-of-economic-warfare


    The Dirty Hand of the National Endowment for Democracy in Venezuela
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/25/the-dirty-hand-of-the-national-endowment-for-democracy-in-venezuela/
    Anti-government protests in Venezuela that seek regime change have been led by several individuals and organizations with close ties to the US government. Leopoldo Lopez and Maria Corina Machado- two of the public leaders behind the violent protests that started in February – have long histories as collaborators, grantees and agents of Washington. The National Endowment for Democracy “NED” and the US Agency for International Development (USAID) have channeled multi-million dollar funding to Lopez’s political parties Primero Justicia and Voluntad Popular, and Machado’s NGO Sumate and her electoral campaigns.....
    , @anonymous
    it's about lithium

    Lithium, the so-called “white petroleum”, drives much of the modern world. It forms a small but essentially irreplaceable component of rechargeable batteries, used in consumer devices like mobile phones and electric cars. It also has pharmaceutical and other applications.

    Over half of the earth’s identified resources of the mineral are found in South America’s “lithium triangle”, an otherworldly landscape of high-altitude lakes and bright white salt flats that straddles Chile, Argentina and Bolivia. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-latam-lithium-idUSKCN0WH1BZ

  24. MarkinLA says:
    @Pandos
    Nukes shipped to Iran, Israel shuts up. Peace.

    Iran has uranium ore deposits – they can build a bomb any time they want. Iran doesn’t need to have them shipped to them.

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    Well, it still takes some time to work through the whole process, refine the Uranium, build a gun-type bomb and a working missile to stick it on etc.

    Iran has given up on this circus in 2004 or so.
  25. A young con, Nick Fuentes, questions US aid to Israel, and Conservative Inc hurls big rocks at home.

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    Cucks hard at work, no doubt.
    , @anon
    On a related matter heard from this video -

    1st amendment applies to shops and business owned by private . Hobby Lobby , Chik o Felle had to give in .

    Why this should not applicable to website who wants to delist ' right wing ' sites ?

  26. El Dato says:
    @Grandpa Charlie
    Oh yeah, of course we should trust the judgment of such a great one as Henry Kissinger (snark), who sacrificed the Christian people of East Timor on a whim, and whose idea of 'real politik' is to give away everything that CCP's Standing Committee wants, including Taiwan! And yet, none dare call it treason!

    Taiwan is still Taiwan, Kinda sorta.

    But yeah, old (((Henry))) was basically out of Game of Thrones. And then he got awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Henry Kissinger Song

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  27. El Dato says:
    @MarkinLA
    Iran has uranium ore deposits - they can build a bomb any time they want. Iran doesn't need to have them shipped to them.

    Well, it still takes some time to work through the whole process, refine the Uranium, build a gun-type bomb and a working missile to stick it on etc.

    Iran has given up on this circus in 2004 or so.

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    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Yes, but the issue was that "if" Iran got one as though Iran had no capability to get one on their own such as Israel which needed to steal their uranium. This is why our sanctions and saber-rattling are so stupid. We can't stop an Iran who wants to build a bomb unless we go to war with them.
    , @Carroll Price
    They could ask N. Korea for assistance.
  28. @Grandpa Charlie
    Oh yeah, of course we should trust the judgment of such a great one as Henry Kissinger (snark), who sacrificed the Christian people of East Timor on a whim, and whose idea of 'real politik' is to give away everything that CCP's Standing Committee wants, including Taiwan! And yet, none dare call it treason!

    Oh yeah, of course we should trust the judgment of such a great one as Henry Kissinger (snark), who sacrificed the Christian people of East Timor on a whim, and whose idea of ‘real politik’ is to give away everything that CCP’s Standing Committee wants, including Taiwan! And yet, none dare call it treason!

    It’s treason!

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  29. @Moi
    Putin is a wuss, and will do zilch.

    Putin is a wuss, and will do zilch.

    More correctly, and without the insertion of partisan invective, Putin is an effective executive and patriot. He will do what is in the best interests of Russia. As he should. As all chief executives should, but don’t.

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    Right, the alleged 'wuss' confronted the combined might and resources of NATO/US in relatively distant Syria. With a right-sized, effective projection of force at that.

    He has been very prudent, did not take several baits offered by NATO (e.g. the shootdown of Su-24), kept his eyes on the ultimate goal, and from the looks of it, the combined efforts of Russian AF, Iranian help, and rejuvenated SAA - clearing Syria of the remnants of ISIS cannibals and assorted other terrorists is almost complete.

    People in the West measure Putin and Russian leaders in general by Western yardsticks and pretty much always get them wrong. Russian leaders rarely issue bombastic threats like US Presidents. They rarely announce what they are going to do next. More often than not, what they actually do is quite unexpected, and pretty much always missed by Russia 'experts' in the West.

    Rather they work quietly to defend and/or further the interests of RF.
    Like you said: 'As he should'.

    Not allowing Syria to collapse, followed by the collapse of Iran are in Russia's best interest.

  30. Miro23 says:

    Great link in this article to one by Daniel Lazare, talking about Middle East instability including Saudi Arabia and the US and Israeli input.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/22/israels-alarm-over-syrian-debacle/

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  31. Sherman says:

    Israel has excellent intelligence inside of Syria.

    Israel recently announced that they’ve bombed dozens of weapons shipments inside Syria over the past few years that were destined for Hezbollah.

    The Israelis were able to fire a missile and assasinate the murderous Hezbollah terrorist Samir Kuntar in Damascus. They’ve also knocked off other Hezbollah and Iranian officers.

    Amazingly, the Israelis have been able to pull this off without tangling with the Russian military. Israel, no doubt, is in coordination with Russian officials.

    (Keep in mind that while Putin might be pro-Assad he’s also maintained very close relations with Israel and Russia’s Jewish community).

    I trust Israel has the capabilities to defend its borders against any Iranian/Hezbollah/Syrian threat.

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    {....defend its borders against any Iranian/Hezbollah/Syrian threat.}

    What threats to Israel's _borders_ from either of those three?
    , @Krollchem
    I have to agree that Israel has well trained agents furthering the greater Israel agenda. At one time the head of Syrian intelligence was a Mossad agent. He was eventually found out and executed.

    Now days Mossad agents focus on infiltration of Saudi backed ISIS/ISIL groups. Most are being ferried to safety as the Israeli backed terrorists are being defeated in Syria and Iraq. Occasionally Israeli terrorist is captured as reported here:

    "Mossad Officer Leading ISIL as Mosque Imam Arrested in Libya"
    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13960604301530

    You really need to review Lebanon history and how the Shia in Lebanon originally welcomed the Israeli invasion until the Israeli's killed a bunch of Shia. Hezbollah was formed to protect the Shia against Israeli aggression.
    , @annamaria
    "I trust Israel has the capabilities to defend its borders against any Iranian/Hezbollah/Syrian threat."
    Sure.
    Now, could you demonstrate this threat? Neither Iranians nor Syrians have ever attacked Israel, destroyed its government, and murdered its civilian population in hundreds of thousands. Whereas Israel-firsters (the Lobby and Friends of Israel) have been involved actively in planning and implementing the illegal sanctions against Iran and the "humanitarian" intervention in Syria (actually, a subhuman intervention).
    To some extent, I sympathize with your attempts to present Israel in virtuous terms. But such attempts could be futile. The many violations of the international laws and the facts that the ongoing slaughterous wars in the Middle East were designed (PNAC) and pushed forward by the US neocons of zionist persuasion, make Israel defeated morally. There is no moral ground for the Israelis to stand on. Throughout modern history, the persecutions against the Jews were part of realpolitik. But when the Jews gained a chance, they acted according to realpolitik with the vengeance. - There is no difference between zionism and nazism; they were born in the same country and they are based on the similar romanticized ideas. Who would listen to stories about Holocaust after the Israelis had committed Nakba and after the US ziocons have infiltrated the US government and were highly active in pushing for the Iraq war (illegal, with enormous civilian casualties, particularly among children), against Libya (see the flooding of Europe with the sub-Saharan migrants), and against Syria. Bibi's government has been caught again and again on helping the jihadis to fight against the sovereign state of Syria, by the way. In Syria alone, the civilian casualties are in hundreds of thousands. "Landmark research proves that the US-led ‘war on terror’ has killed as many as 2 million people:" http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/unworthy-victims-western-wars-have-killed-four-million-muslims-1990-39149394
    Considering the percentage of the Jewish population, the crimes committed in the name of Israel in the Middle East make a very heavy load for each living Jew.
  32. hyperbola says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I glanced at it and, as an Audtralian aware of our own inglorious vacillations in dealing with East Timor and Indonesia over about a 25 year period, I was curious about Kissinger's remaining relevance to US policy in December 1975 - so I Googled and was left with just my curiosity as to how the Realpolitischer could be described as acting "on a whim" in that case. Add my good or bad habit of trying to punish or at least highlight the sloppy or misleading arguments which diminish the value one might otherwise, occasionally, get from UR comments.

    Crimes Against Humanity From Ford to Saddam

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2007/01/06/crimes-against-humanity-from-ford-to-saddam/

    Now that both Gerald Ford and Saddam Hussein are dead and buried, the question of how they will be remembered here in the United States arises. If the talk of officialdom and the mainstream media outlets thus far is any indicator-and surely it is-the U.S. collective memories of the two leaders will be diametrically opposed…..

    ….. On Dec. 6, 1975, Ford and Henry Kissinger, his secretary of state, were in Jakarta, Indonesia to meet the country’s dictator, General Suharto. Ford was fully cognizant of Indonesia’s plans to launch an imminent invasion of the former Portuguese Timor. According to declassified documents published by the Washington-based National Security Archive, Ford assured Suharto that with regard to East Timor, “[We] will not press you on the issue. We understand . . . the intentions you have.” (1)

    Suharto needed Washington’s go-ahead due to a 1958 agreement that prohibited Indonesia from using U.S.-origin weaponry, which made up 90 percent of Jakarta’s arsenal at the time, except for “legitimate national self-defense.” (2) For this reason Kissinger suggested that the invasion be framed as self-defense, thus circumventing any legal obstacles.

    Kissinger then expressed understanding for Indonesia’s “need to move quickly” and advised “that it would be better if it were done after we [he and Ford] returned [to the United States].” About 14 hours after their departure, Indonesian forces invaded neighboring East Timor…..
    ___________________________________________________________________

    We might also remember that other criminals from Kissinger’s sect also got a big push from their activities relative to Timor.

    Beware a Wolfowitz in Sheep’s Clothing
    Washington Backs Indonesian Military Again

    http://dissidentvoice.org/Mar05/Nevins0317.htm

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    "Beware a Wolfowitz in Sheep's clothing" has to be one of the greatest phrases coined in the last quarter century! Hopefully it will go viral!
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Thanks for the last link in particular. I think we both see that nothing was done "on a whim"!
  33. hyperbola says:
    @Priss Factor
    Socialism without National Character will fail.

    This is ignored by both TYT and Sargon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVgjv6IGHYI

    More complicated than simple-minded US propaganda.

    US Regime Change in Venezuela: The Truth is Easy if You Follow the Money

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.es/2017/07/us-regime-change-in-venezuela-truth-is.html

    Venezuela’s ongoing crisis is not driven by political ideology – it is not a battle of socialism versus capitalism or dictatorship versus democracy – it is the result of two centers of political power possessing opposing interests and colliding geopolitically. ….
    The Opposition is Pro-Washington, Not “Pro-Democracy”
    As early as 2002, US-backed regime change targeting then Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez, sought to violently overthrow Venezuela’s political order and replace it with one obedient to Washington. Current leaders of the opposition were not only involved in the 2002 failed coup, many are documented to have received political and financial support from the United States government ever since….

    US Policymakers Openly Plot Against Venezuela

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.es/2017/05/us-policymakers-openly-plot-against.html

    The US media has been paying increasing attention to the unfolding crisis in the South American nation of Venezuela. As the US media has done elsewhere, it is attempting to portray the unfolding crisis as a result of a corrupt dictatorship fighting against a “pro-democracy” opposition. In reality, it is simply a repeat of US-driven regime change aimed at toppling Venezuela’s independent state institutions and replacing them with institutions created by and for US special interests.
    The “opposition” is comprised of US-backed political parties and US-funded fronts posing as nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) many of which are listed on the US State Department’s National Endowment for Democracy (NED) website…..

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    Venezuela's ongoing crisis is not driven by political ideology - it is not a battle of socialism versus capitalism or dictatorship versus democracy - it is the result of two centers of political power possessing opposing interests and colliding geopolitically. ....
    The Opposition is Pro-Washington, Not "Pro-Democracy"

    Yes, US has a hand in the current crisis BUT Venezuela's diversity + corruption + crony socialism + Chavezian culture of 'gibs me free stuff' + over-reliance on oil money + scapegoating all problems on foreigners + hubris = the current mess.

    Chavez could have been a good leader. But he failed for the same reason his chosen arch-enemy Bush II did. Hubris. Bush II was gonna be Liberator of the Middle East. He was gonna provide homes for all Negroes and Browns. How did that turn out?
    In the case of Chavez, Venezuela would be the center of Bolivarian Revolution all throughout Latin America. Venezuela, overflowing with oil cash, would support Cuba and fund revolutions and remake Latin America. How did that turn out?

    Chavez was right to complain about US influence. He was right to attempt to change things to make for a fairer society more mindful of the needs of the masses. But he just talked big and spoiled the masses with free gibs as long as the oil prices were high. And his ego was too focused on playing World Politics to focus on problems at home. He did nothing about crime. He was acting like Gaddafi in the 80s when his ambitions overstepped Libya's capacity.

    Maduro isn't as reckless but he inherited the mess, and he's caught in a bind.

    True, US is circling like a vulture, but this mess was largely created internally.

    China has more sober and cautious leaders and avoided craziness like this.

  34. Avery says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    Putin is a wuss, and will do zilch.
     
    More correctly, and without the insertion of partisan invective, Putin is an effective executive and patriot. He will do what is in the best interests of Russia. As he should. As all chief executives should, but don't.

    Right, the alleged ‘wuss’ confronted the combined might and resources of NATO/US in relatively distant Syria. With a right-sized, effective projection of force at that.

    He has been very prudent, did not take several baits offered by NATO (e.g. the shootdown of Su-24), kept his eyes on the ultimate goal, and from the looks of it, the combined efforts of Russian AF, Iranian help, and rejuvenated SAA – clearing Syria of the remnants of ISIS cannibals and assorted other terrorists is almost complete.

    People in the West measure Putin and Russian leaders in general by Western yardsticks and pretty much always get them wrong. Russian leaders rarely issue bombastic threats like US Presidents. They rarely announce what they are going to do next. More often than not, what they actually do is quite unexpected, and pretty much always missed by Russia ‘experts’ in the West.

    Rather they work quietly to defend and/or further the interests of RF.
    Like you said: ‘As he should’.

    Not allowing Syria to collapse, followed by the collapse of Iran are in Russia’s best interest.

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  35. Avery says:
    @Sherman
    Israel has excellent intelligence inside of Syria.

    Israel recently announced that they've bombed dozens of weapons shipments inside Syria over the past few years that were destined for Hezbollah.

    The Israelis were able to fire a missile and assasinate the murderous Hezbollah terrorist Samir Kuntar in Damascus. They've also knocked off other Hezbollah and Iranian officers.

    Amazingly, the Israelis have been able to pull this off without tangling with the Russian military. Israel, no doubt, is in coordination with Russian officials.

    (Keep in mind that while Putin might be pro-Assad he's also maintained very close relations with Israel and Russia's Jewish community).

    I trust Israel has the capabilities to defend its borders against any Iranian/Hezbollah/Syrian threat.

    {….defend its borders against any Iranian/Hezbollah/Syrian threat.}

    What threats to Israel’s _borders_ from either of those three?

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    • Replies: @Neddal
    I believe the boarders he is referring to are likely the Euphrates and Nile rivers, if I had to guess. Even these of course, may for now serve simply as interim markers, pending the outcomes from on-going and future developments. Currently, some of these projects are still in various stages of design and early implementation and may, therefore, be too delicate to expose to full daylight. Hence, as you may recall, "Israel", understandably, or at least naturally, is not yet able to formally establish its territorial, so-called "boarders," per say, since that process is still underway for the most part. Its ultimate outcomes, it stands to reason, need not, and must not, be unduly restricted or curtailed unnecessarily at this point in time, given the still largely wide-open, or unbounded, you could say, potentials it still holds.
  36. @Priss Factor
    A young con, Nick Fuentes, questions US aid to Israel, and Conservative Inc hurls big rocks at home.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcGeA2hrqrs

    Cucks hard at work, no doubt.

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  37. hyperbola says:
    @Priss Factor
    Socialism without National Character will fail.

    This is ignored by both TYT and Sargon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVgjv6IGHYI

    Do you trust what US media tells us about Venezuela? Unfortunately much (spanish-language) information is suppressed and what is written in English is often censored.

    WHITE HELMETS” IN VENEZUELA

    http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2017/05/10/white-helmets-in-venezuela/

    As the dirty war against the Venezuelan people unfolds at a swift and ruthless pace, the best accounts and analysis are not available in English. The report below is an example of critical information that we need today. I am confident that readers can both understand what is said and make allowances for the fact this is run through a translator.

    ¿”Cascos Blancos” en Venezuela? (investigación)

    http://misionverdad.com/la-guerra-en-Venezuela/cascos-blancos-en-venezuela

    Venezuela’s Economic Crisis: Does It Mean That the Left Has Failed?

    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/38094-venezuela-s-economic-crisis-does-it-mean-that-the-left-has-failed

    ….. The conventional wisdom has a set of predictable narratives to explain the current economic mess. “Socialism” has failed — never mind that the vast majority of jobs created during the Hugo Chávez years were in the private sector, and that the size of the state has been much smaller than in France. The whole experiment, it is said, was a failure from the beginning….

    …. The reality is somewhat more complicated. First, the Bolivarian experiment did pretty well until 2014. From 2004 — after the Chávez government got control over the national oil industry — until 2014, real income per person grew by more than 2 percent annually. This is an enormous change from the horrendous long-term decline in the 20 years prior to Chávez, when GDP per capita actually shrank at an average annual rate of 1.2 percent. During the same years (2004–2014), poverty fell by 49 percent and extreme poverty by 63 percent — and this counts only cash income. The number of people over 60 years old receiving public pensions tripled, and millions of Venezuelans gained access to health care and education. It is the gains over this decade of chavismo that explain how the United Socialist Party of Venezuela (PSUV) was able to win 41 percent of the vote in National Assembly elections in December 2015, despite serious shortages of consumer goods, 180 percent inflation and a deep recession.

    Now for the downward spiral of the economy over the past three years: Was this inevitable? And is it irreversible until the PSUV leaves power? To answer these questions, we must look at how Venezuela got into this situation, and how it might get out of it…..
    ____________________________________________________________

    If you can read spanish, you might get an idea of how the US is again being wagged by corrupt jewish bankers and the CFR from noting who produces the kind of propaganda in the MSM and international CIA-controlled media.

    MOISÉS NAÍM, ARTICULISTA DE EL PAÍS

    http://radio-berlin.blogspot.com.es/2008/03/moiss-nam-articulista-de-el-pas.html

    Venezuela: Target of Economic Warfare

    https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/venezuela-target-of-economic-warfare

    The Dirty Hand of the National Endowment for Democracy in Venezuela

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/25/the-dirty-hand-of-the-national-endowment-for-democracy-in-venezuela/

    Anti-government protests in Venezuela that seek regime change have been led by several individuals and organizations with close ties to the US government. Leopoldo Lopez and Maria Corina Machado- two of the public leaders behind the violent protests that started in February – have long histories as collaborators, grantees and agents of Washington. The National Endowment for Democracy “NED” and the US Agency for International Development (USAID) have channeled multi-million dollar funding to Lopez’s political parties Primero Justicia and Voluntad Popular, and Machado’s NGO Sumate and her electoral campaigns…..

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    Bloomberg’s Hit Job on Venezuela – and Me
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/03/bloombergs-hit-job-on-venezuela-and-me/
  38. Sowhat says:
    @nsa
    Can't start the war yet......need a quorum but half the Wash DC KnessetWhores have not returned from their all expenses paid trip to IzzieVille to get the latest instructions from and suck up to their jooie pimpmeister, the ex furniture salesman from Philly.

    I agree while I ROFL. Geopolitics is most entertaining. Pity that it has to include real deaths of so many innocents. All of the bluster from all of the Heads of State, especially the “Western” variety- it’s so entertaining and so scary…much better than any modern-day horror movie.

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  39. hyperbola says:
    @hyperbola
    Do you trust what US media tells us about Venezuela? Unfortunately much (spanish-language) information is suppressed and what is written in English is often censored.

    WHITE HELMETS” IN VENEZUELA
    http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2017/05/10/white-helmets-in-venezuela/
    As the dirty war against the Venezuelan people unfolds at a swift and ruthless pace, the best accounts and analysis are not available in English. The report below is an example of critical information that we need today. I am confident that readers can both understand what is said and make allowances for the fact this is run through a translator.

    ¿"Cascos Blancos" en Venezuela? (investigación)
    http://misionverdad.com/la-guerra-en-Venezuela/cascos-blancos-en-venezuela


    Venezuela's Economic Crisis: Does It Mean That the Left Has Failed?
    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/38094-venezuela-s-economic-crisis-does-it-mean-that-the-left-has-failed
    ..... The conventional wisdom has a set of predictable narratives to explain the current economic mess. "Socialism" has failed -- never mind that the vast majority of jobs created during the Hugo Chávez years were in the private sector, and that the size of the state has been much smaller than in France. The whole experiment, it is said, was a failure from the beginning....

    .... The reality is somewhat more complicated. First, the Bolivarian experiment did pretty well until 2014. From 2004 -- after the Chávez government got control over the national oil industry -- until 2014, real income per person grew by more than 2 percent annually. This is an enormous change from the horrendous long-term decline in the 20 years prior to Chávez, when GDP per capita actually shrank at an average annual rate of 1.2 percent. During the same years (2004–2014), poverty fell by 49 percent and extreme poverty by 63 percent -- and this counts only cash income. The number of people over 60 years old receiving public pensions tripled, and millions of Venezuelans gained access to health care and education. It is the gains over this decade of chavismo that explain how the United Socialist Party of Venezuela (PSUV) was able to win 41 percent of the vote in National Assembly elections in December 2015, despite serious shortages of consumer goods, 180 percent inflation and a deep recession.

    Now for the downward spiral of the economy over the past three years: Was this inevitable? And is it irreversible until the PSUV leaves power? To answer these questions, we must look at how Venezuela got into this situation, and how it might get out of it.....
    ____________________________________________________________

    If you can read spanish, you might get an idea of how the US is again being wagged by corrupt jewish bankers and the CFR from noting who produces the kind of propaganda in the MSM and international CIA-controlled media.

    MOISÉS NAÍM, ARTICULISTA DE EL PAÍS
    http://radio-berlin.blogspot.com.es/2008/03/moiss-nam-articulista-de-el-pas.html


    Venezuela: Target of Economic Warfare
    https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/venezuela-target-of-economic-warfare


    The Dirty Hand of the National Endowment for Democracy in Venezuela
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/25/the-dirty-hand-of-the-national-endowment-for-democracy-in-venezuela/
    Anti-government protests in Venezuela that seek regime change have been led by several individuals and organizations with close ties to the US government. Leopoldo Lopez and Maria Corina Machado- two of the public leaders behind the violent protests that started in February – have long histories as collaborators, grantees and agents of Washington. The National Endowment for Democracy “NED” and the US Agency for International Development (USAID) have channeled multi-million dollar funding to Lopez’s political parties Primero Justicia and Voluntad Popular, and Machado’s NGO Sumate and her electoral campaigns.....
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  40. Mulegino1 says:
    @hyperbola
    Crimes Against Humanity From Ford to Saddam
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2007/01/06/crimes-against-humanity-from-ford-to-saddam/

    Now that both Gerald Ford and Saddam Hussein are dead and buried, the question of how they will be remembered here in the United States arises. If the talk of officialdom and the mainstream media outlets thus far is any indicator-and surely it is-the U.S. collective memories of the two leaders will be diametrically opposed.....

    ..... On Dec. 6, 1975, Ford and Henry Kissinger, his secretary of state, were in Jakarta, Indonesia to meet the country’s dictator, General Suharto. Ford was fully cognizant of Indonesia’s plans to launch an imminent invasion of the former Portuguese Timor. According to declassified documents published by the Washington-based National Security Archive, Ford assured Suharto that with regard to East Timor, “[We] will not press you on the issue. We understand . . . the intentions you have.” (1)

    Suharto needed Washington’s go-ahead due to a 1958 agreement that prohibited Indonesia from using U.S.-origin weaponry, which made up 90 percent of Jakarta’s arsenal at the time, except for “legitimate national self-defense.” (2) For this reason Kissinger suggested that the invasion be framed as self-defense, thus circumventing any legal obstacles.

    Kissinger then expressed understanding for Indonesia’s “need to move quickly” and advised “that it would be better if it were done after we [he and Ford] returned [to the United States].” About 14 hours after their departure, Indonesian forces invaded neighboring East Timor.....
    ___________________________________________________________________

    We might also remember that other criminals from Kissinger's sect also got a big push from their activities relative to Timor.

    Beware a Wolfowitz in Sheep's Clothing
    Washington Backs Indonesian Military Again
    http://dissidentvoice.org/Mar05/Nevins0317.htm

    “Beware a Wolfowitz in Sheep’s clothing” has to be one of the greatest phrases coined in the last quarter century! Hopefully it will go viral!

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Nah.... If you are willing to put W in a flock of sheep why not really go for it with
    "Beware a W in schlepper's s[c]hmatte"

    You anti-Semites aren't really trying. Himmler could have fixed that one for you.
  41. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see the connection between events in Charlottesville and Israel’s “consternation” over what participants on Sic Semper Tyrannis agree is Assad’s success in regaining control of major, important portions of Syria, and the “hardening” of the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) –

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/08/httpssouthfrontorgsyrian-war-report-august-23-2017-syrian-army-liberates-large-area-from-isis.html

    and

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/08/the-russian-campaign-in-syria-russian-general-staff.html

    and

    800 ISIS KIA in Syria

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/08/httpssouthfrontorggovt-forces-russian-warplanes-eliminate-800-isis-fighters-and-high-number-of-equip.html

    and

    ISIS Continues to Throw Away Reserves

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/08/is-continues-to-throw-away-reserves-29-august-2017.html

    The connection between the hate-fest that the Israel firsters have smeared over the US body politics, beginning with the Jewish-led “set-up” in Charlottesville, which Mark Bray put under a microscope
    here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEhC4AByODE

    and here https://www.c-span.org/video/?433052-4/washington-journal-mark-bray-discusses-role-antifa-movement

    with their relentless analogies and linkages to “Nazism” (the (((Hollywood version))), amount to brand-spanking:

    Jews began the linkage of Hitler and the counter-revolutionary German government to “hate” and “ultimate evil” nearly a decade before the precious hair on a single German Jewish head was harmed.

    Inciting hate feeds bloodlust — the warmonger’s narrative like nothing other than obscene and wanton sex (aka rape).
    Vladimir Jabotinsky said in a Jan. 1935 (i.e. BEFORE ‘Nuremberg Laws’) speech in NYC,
    “There is one force in the world that really matters,” he said, “and that is the force of moral pressure. We Jews are the most powerful nation in the world because we have that force and know how to use it.” http://www.jta.org/1935/01/27/archive/revisionism-is-inevitable-says-jabotinsky-here-for-wide-tour

    One must understand the inverted “morality” of Jabotinskyites: Mark Bray is cut from the same cloth: Jabotinsky advocated violence and deception; Jabotinksy and Bray ascribed to the Other what one oneself intends to do or is doing.

    “Nazi” has been a powerful Jewish brand to pedal murderous hate since Jews created early in 1933, with the Jewish declaration of economic war on Germany on March 24, 1933, which the Jewish War Veterans kicked off with a march down Fifth Avenue on March 23, 1933; March 27, 1933 Jews held a virulently anti-German rally in Madison Square Garden (subsidized by Samuel Untermeyer and other Jewish millionaires); anti-German sentiment was reinforced by James Waterman Wise’s publication of an anti-German screed, “Swastika” in May, 1933; followed by a Mock Trial of Hitler in July, 1933.

    In mid-Summer 1933 “international Jewry” convened in Belgium to determine a course of action for “world Jewry”; upon his return from that meeting in August, 1933, Samuel Untermyer gave a speech laced with incitements to anti-German hate.

    Over the next four or five years, zionist agents and leaders, including Jabotinsky, his assistant, Benzion Netanyahu, Untermyer, Rabbi Stephen Wise, Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Nahum Sokolow and others conducted speaking tours of USA to gin up support for zionism and to engender hatred of “the Hun.”

    All of this Jewish activism to engender hatred of “Nazis” and “the Hitlerites.”

    BUT as Richard Breitman and Alan Lichtman wrote in “FDR and the Jews,”

    “once secure in their authority, Nazi officials curbed personal violence against Jews . . . Only in late 1938 . . . for the first time [did] Gestapo imprison . . . German Jews in concentration camps,”

    In other words, in those years when Jews in the USA were inciting hatred of “Nazis” and “the Hitlerites,” according to two Jewish professors (who, btw, had privileged access to “the German archive” — documents removed from Germany by US forces and, eventually, placed in US National Archives https://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/242.html#242.2 ) — German leadership had not harmed German Jews.

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  42. @hyperbola
    More complicated than simple-minded US propaganda.

    US Regime Change in Venezuela: The Truth is Easy if You Follow the Money
    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.es/2017/07/us-regime-change-in-venezuela-truth-is.html
    Venezuela's ongoing crisis is not driven by political ideology - it is not a battle of socialism versus capitalism or dictatorship versus democracy - it is the result of two centers of political power possessing opposing interests and colliding geopolitically. ....
    The Opposition is Pro-Washington, Not "Pro-Democracy"
    As early as 2002, US-backed regime change targeting then Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez, sought to violently overthrow Venezuela's political order and replace it with one obedient to Washington. Current leaders of the opposition were not only involved in the 2002 failed coup, many are documented to have received political and financial support from the United States government ever since....

    US Policymakers Openly Plot Against Venezuela
    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.es/2017/05/us-policymakers-openly-plot-against.html
    The US media has been paying increasing attention to the unfolding crisis in the South American nation of Venezuela. As the US media has done elsewhere, it is attempting to portray the unfolding crisis as a result of a corrupt dictatorship fighting against a "pro-democracy" opposition. In reality, it is simply a repeat of US-driven regime change aimed at toppling Venezuela's independent state institutions and replacing them with institutions created by and for US special interests.
    The "opposition" is comprised of US-backed political parties and US-funded fronts posing as nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) many of which are listed on the US State Department's National Endowment for Democracy (NED) website.....

    Venezuela’s ongoing crisis is not driven by political ideology – it is not a battle of socialism versus capitalism or dictatorship versus democracy – it is the result of two centers of political power possessing opposing interests and colliding geopolitically. ….
    The Opposition is Pro-Washington, Not “Pro-Democracy”

    Yes, US has a hand in the current crisis BUT Venezuela’s diversity + corruption + crony socialism + Chavezian culture of ‘gibs me free stuff’ + over-reliance on oil money + scapegoating all problems on foreigners + hubris = the current mess.

    Chavez could have been a good leader. But he failed for the same reason his chosen arch-enemy Bush II did. Hubris. Bush II was gonna be Liberator of the Middle East. He was gonna provide homes for all Negroes and Browns. How did that turn out?
    In the case of Chavez, Venezuela would be the center of Bolivarian Revolution all throughout Latin America. Venezuela, overflowing with oil cash, would support Cuba and fund revolutions and remake Latin America. How did that turn out?

    Chavez was right to complain about US influence. He was right to attempt to change things to make for a fairer society more mindful of the needs of the masses. But he just talked big and spoiled the masses with free gibs as long as the oil prices were high. And his ego was too focused on playing World Politics to focus on problems at home. He did nothing about crime. He was acting like Gaddafi in the 80s when his ambitions overstepped Libya’s capacity.

    Maduro isn’t as reckless but he inherited the mess, and he’s caught in a bind.

    True, US is circling like a vulture, but this mess was largely created internally.

    China has more sober and cautious leaders and avoided craziness like this.

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    I misunderstood your original comment. Chavez (and now Maduro) probably faced an impossible job: re-do Valenzuela's economy to get it off the almost exclusively "oil-teat" that serves an oligarchy well but ends up destroying many countries.

    The comparison with Gaddafi in the 1980s is interesting. Of course, Gaddafi got taken down by the powers that be when he later tried in a much less flamboyant way to look after his own country.
  43. Krollchem says:
    @Sherman
    Israel has excellent intelligence inside of Syria.

    Israel recently announced that they've bombed dozens of weapons shipments inside Syria over the past few years that were destined for Hezbollah.

    The Israelis were able to fire a missile and assasinate the murderous Hezbollah terrorist Samir Kuntar in Damascus. They've also knocked off other Hezbollah and Iranian officers.

    Amazingly, the Israelis have been able to pull this off without tangling with the Russian military. Israel, no doubt, is in coordination with Russian officials.

    (Keep in mind that while Putin might be pro-Assad he's also maintained very close relations with Israel and Russia's Jewish community).

    I trust Israel has the capabilities to defend its borders against any Iranian/Hezbollah/Syrian threat.

    I have to agree that Israel has well trained agents furthering the greater Israel agenda. At one time the head of Syrian intelligence was a Mossad agent. He was eventually found out and executed.

    Now days Mossad agents focus on infiltration of Saudi backed ISIS/ISIL groups. Most are being ferried to safety as the Israeli backed terrorists are being defeated in Syria and Iraq. Occasionally Israeli terrorist is captured as reported here:

    “Mossad Officer Leading ISIL as Mosque Imam Arrested in Libya”

    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13960604301530

    You really need to review Lebanon history and how the Shia in Lebanon originally welcomed the Israeli invasion until the Israeli’s killed a bunch of Shia. Hezbollah was formed to protect the Shia against Israeli aggression.

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    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    Hey Krollchem,

    Sherman was FACTUALLY "amazed" at how Israel militarily engaged Assad forces without "tangling" with Russia.

    For me, such is the greatest political mystery of our young century.

    And Israel's free hand to strike Syrian targets is there for all those interested to see.

    Here is a sentence from Arthur Conan Doyles' "Adventures of Sberlock Holmes," from "The Boscombe Mystery":

    Addressing Watson with paradox, Holmes said, "There is nothing more DECEPTIVE than an obvious fact."

    As a ZUSA citizen, there's no need for me to list how official government lies have transformed into political facts.A.D To what level am I expected to deny the fact of the Putin government having "stood down" when Israel enjoyed a bloody (free hand), destabilized and struck Russian allies in Syria?

    Calling London, Sherlock Holmes! Is the Zionist takeover of recognizable history, current events, & journalism so complete that even the big "facts" can be instantly known & a casual response of "Oh well, who gives a flyin' Aspidistra fuck?" becomes the proles' engineered response?

    Like Linh Dinh once wrote, I wish Paul Craig Roberts returns to The Unz Review.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    heh.
    Mercer just posted an item about Lincoln the centralizer & Sherman the genocidaire, both = Hitler the centralizer.



    In a recent interview, Robert Ford, the Last US Ambassador to Syria, said, "Assad has won; Russia, Iran are in Syria to stay; there is no rolling it back."

    https://www.thenational.ae/world/the-americas/assad-has-won-says-former-us-ambassador-to-syria-1.623562

    Fascinating to juxtapose Ford's comments re Assad & Syria with what (some) know about Robert E Lee and US war of Northern Aggression:
    (listen up, Corvinus)

    Ford: The war is winding down little by little. Assad has won and he will stay [in power]. He may never be held accountable, and Iran will be in Syria to stay. This is the new reality that we have to accept, and there isn’t much we can do about it.

    Q: So you’re saying the rebels have basically lost and have no chance of coming back?

    Ford: Unless the foreign governments that in the past have backed elements of the Free Syrian Army are prepared to send money, weapons - including surface-to-air missiles - and provide the kind of military advisers that the Syrian Democratic Forces are receiving against ISIL, it would be impossible [for the rebels] to defeat Assad and his Russian and Iranian allies. And even if those foreign governments did that, it would be a long war that probably ends in a stalemate instead of an Assad victory.
     
    First, USA is backing the Rebels, i.e. the Robert E Lee faction-- those who would fragment Syria and assert the rights of smaller states against the centralized power of the whole --, against the legitimate government (i.e. Lincoln and "the Union, it must be preserved")
    Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon is in Robert E Lee's camp. In a March 2016 conversation with Aaron David "Combover" Miller, Ya'alon said,

    "The only way that we can live is to have a kind of federation. There is no other way to unify Syria. . . .[It's impossible] to unify Syria through Bashar Al Assad or someone else, leading Syria. No chance! Wishful thinking!
    [So] a kind of federation, we have already constrained Bashar Al Assad — he controls today only 30% of his former territory. That’s it. . . .
    [oops]
    So first of all, let’s find a way to have a kind of federation or whatever.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?406449-1/israeli-defense-minister-moshe-yaalon-remarks&start=2461
     
    Based on the ADL's and JDL's activities in Charlottesville, one assumes that these Israel-firsters are not singing from the same hymnal, unless, of course, their doxology is "divide abroad to fragment power; centralize in USA because that unbridled power will protect us."

    The only possibility Ford sees is more and heavier armaments to the Rebels; Ford does not, repeat does NOT suggest a Shermanesque scorched-earth action.

    In any event, Ford still does not think the Rebels could prevail but only that a stalemate would ensue -- the situation Sherman perceived when he & Lincoln decided to kill civilians to achieve "victory."

    Therefore, Ford counsels:

    Q: Is that why we see regional pressure on the Syrian opposition to offer concessions on Assad’s future in government?
     
    In other words, negotiate.

    ( to Corvinus -- demanding Unconditional Surrender is not a negotiation, it is an ultimatum. In a stalemate, negotiating with the purpose of gaining some of what you desire in a peace that will ensue upon cessation of hostilities, is what wise and civilized people do.)

    It’s an acknowledgment that the military situation is strongly in favour of Assad, Russia and the Iranians, and that it is impossible to roll it back.
     
    This is where the comparison gets really fun:

    Q: How will a more confident Assad operate in Syria?

    Ford: The Syrian government cannot and will not accept local administrations or decentralisation, despite the fact that the Russians keep talking about it. I never met a Baathist in the Arab world who liked the idea of decentralisation, not in Iraq, not in Algeria, not in Syria. ---
     
    -- and not in Lincoln's Washington, DC.

    Q: So if they won’t accept decentralisation or federalism, what changes do you see the regime accepting?

    Ford: Maybe they change the prime minister or a few cabinet ministers and claim it is reform. But will they change the elements of the security state? Of course not.
     
    Did Lincoln change the elements of the security state? Of course not.

    In a Nov. 4, 1866 letter to Robert E Lee, Lord John-Dahlberg Acton, a close friend and counselor to William Gladstone, wrote:

    I saw in State Rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will, and secession filled me with hope, not as the destruction but as the redemption of Democracy.

    The institutions of your Republic have not exercised on the old world the salutary and liberating influence which ought to have belonged to them, by reason of those defects and abuses of principle which the Confederate Constitution was expressly and wisely calculated to remedy.

    I believed that the example of that great Reform would have blessed all the races of mankind by establishing true freedom purged of the native dangers and disorders of Republics. Therefore I deemed that you were fighting the battles of our liberty, our progress, and our civilization; and I mourn for the stake which was lost at Richmond more deeply than I rejoice over that which was saved at Waterloo.
     
    Lee replied on Dec. 15, 1866:

    I yet believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people, not only essential to the adjustment and balance of the general system, but the safeguard to the continuance of a free government. I consider it as the chief source of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it.
     
    Lincoln set the "Great experiment" back 300 years.
    Sherman set a precedent that has only been magnified as it rampages throughout the world killing innocents in the name of "victory."
  44. Nothin-ya-Who has been taking trash for a long time and has a negative credibility! The proverbial Persian saying goes like this: “A snake with its head chopped off , the rest of its body rattles for a while before it realizes that it can NOT move forward and it’s time to shut up and die”

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  45. @Grandpa Charlie
    Oh yeah, of course we should trust the judgment of such a great one as Henry Kissinger (snark), who sacrificed the Christian people of East Timor on a whim, and whose idea of 'real politik' is to give away everything that CCP's Standing Committee wants, including Taiwan! And yet, none dare call it treason!

    Oh yeah, of course we should trust the judgment of such a great one as Henry Kissinger (snark),

    American diplomacy of the last 50 years can hardly be called successful–in fact, most of it is unmitigated disaster. The American geopolitical thought, from Morgenthau’s to Kissinger’s “realism” was also rather sterile. One is hardly pressed to consider late Zbig’s or Kissinger’s platitudes to be of any academic or practical value. It is getting worse, not better, sadly. The only work of some consequence which had a global impact, despite some mistakes, was Huntington’s The Clash Of Civilizations–the rest is a collection of bland recycled ideas and grand ignorance of subjects. Paradoxically, late Zbig called on US Armed Forces to shoot Israeli aircraft down if they try to mount bombing raids against Iran.

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    • Replies: @Thirdeye
    The real train wreck in US diplomacy started after Kissinger's departure. Detente was a good thing - it provided reassurance to the US that facilitated the SALT agreements and leaving Vietnam. So was recognizing the PRC government. So was the INF treaty. Little did we realize that every good thing achieved in US-Russian relations under the Cold War sabre-rattlers Nixon and Reagan would be undone under the smiley faces of Carter, Clinton, and Obama.

    Similarly, everything promising that occurred surrounding Israel was soon undone by bad faith. Camp David mainly led to the screws being tightened on the Palestinians and the Israeli occupation of Lebanon. The Oslo Accord was rendered virtually meaningless within a couple of years by Clinton's kowtowing to the Israeli right.
  46. If Benny Net is up to his neck in illegalities, corruption, and other acts of assholery, you can bet he’ll start a war somewhere. and the first one he’ll call is donald duck drumf.

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  47. Neddal says:
    @Avery
    {....defend its borders against any Iranian/Hezbollah/Syrian threat.}

    What threats to Israel's _borders_ from either of those three?

    I believe the boarders he is referring to are likely the Euphrates and Nile rivers, if I had to guess. Even these of course, may for now serve simply as interim markers, pending the outcomes from on-going and future developments. Currently, some of these projects are still in various stages of design and early implementation and may, therefore, be too delicate to expose to full daylight. Hence, as you may recall, “Israel”, understandably, or at least naturally, is not yet able to formally establish its territorial, so-called “boarders,” per say, since that process is still underway for the most part. Its ultimate outcomes, it stands to reason, need not, and must not, be unduly restricted or curtailed unnecessarily at this point in time, given the still largely wide-open, or unbounded, you could say, potentials it still holds.

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  48. DaveE says:

    “Speculation in Israel is that some kind of preemptive strike is being planned…..”

    It’s called 9/11-II. Isn’t it more Torah-ish to go the false-flag route and get US to do the dirty work? Been working like a charm for a LONG time……. why quit now?

    Although, I’m sure they’ve come up with a more original name by now…… “Samson’s Sledgehammer”? Maybe “Yhwy’s Holiday”?

    Any ideas?

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  49. Realist says:
    @Grandpa Charlie
    Oh yeah, of course we should trust the judgment of such a great one as Henry Kissinger (snark), who sacrificed the Christian people of East Timor on a whim, and whose idea of 'real politik' is to give away everything that CCP's Standing Committee wants, including Taiwan! And yet, none dare call it treason!

    Henry Kissinger has lived in this country 79 years, since he left Germany at the age of 15. And the dumb son-of-a-bitch still has a heavy German accent.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Not dumb, so it's a trade mark or he just couldn't make it in the opera chorus if he opened his mouth....
  50. @Krollchem
    I have to agree that Israel has well trained agents furthering the greater Israel agenda. At one time the head of Syrian intelligence was a Mossad agent. He was eventually found out and executed.

    Now days Mossad agents focus on infiltration of Saudi backed ISIS/ISIL groups. Most are being ferried to safety as the Israeli backed terrorists are being defeated in Syria and Iraq. Occasionally Israeli terrorist is captured as reported here:

    "Mossad Officer Leading ISIL as Mosque Imam Arrested in Libya"
    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13960604301530

    You really need to review Lebanon history and how the Shia in Lebanon originally welcomed the Israeli invasion until the Israeli's killed a bunch of Shia. Hezbollah was formed to protect the Shia against Israeli aggression.

    Hey Krollchem,

    Sherman was FACTUALLY “amazed” at how Israel militarily engaged Assad forces without “tangling” with Russia.

    For me, such is the greatest political mystery of our young century.

    And Israel’s free hand to strike Syrian targets is there for all those interested to see.

    Here is a sentence from Arthur Conan Doyles’ “Adventures of Sberlock Holmes,” from “The Boscombe Mystery”:

    Addressing Watson with paradox, Holmes said, “There is nothing more DECEPTIVE than an obvious fact.”

    As a ZUSA citizen, there’s no need for me to list how official government lies have transformed into political facts.A.D To what level am I expected to deny the fact of the Putin government having “stood down” when Israel enjoyed a bloody (free hand), destabilized and struck Russian allies in Syria?

    Calling London, Sherlock Holmes! Is the Zionist takeover of recognizable history, current events, & journalism so complete that even the big “facts” can be instantly known & a casual response of “Oh well, who gives a flyin’ Aspidistra fuck?” becomes the proles’ engineered response?

    Like Linh Dinh once wrote, I wish Paul Craig Roberts returns to The Unz Review.

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    The world is becoming increasingly multipolar as China and Russia are catching up with the US.
    In the meantime, US empire is collapsing and the trick is to let it collapse slowly. I suspect Putin is playing a deep strategy game (think Chinese GO) rather than the standard US poker game.

    Unfortunately, none of this will prevent the demographic time bomb and the sixth extinction.
  51. KA says:

    Per Kissinger, the impending defeat of ISIS in Syria and Iraq will create a power vacuum which will open the door to the creation of an “Iranian radical empire,” As Iran is also fighting ISIS, Kissinger warns against complacency, that “in the contemporary Middle East…the enemy of your enemy is also your enemy.”

    Kissinger says whatever itches in his keister to get out . He knows it will be accepted as the best aroma the free world can supply .

    .

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    "Kissinger warns against complacency, that “in the contemporary Middle East…the enemy of your enemy is also your enemy.”
    Well. This amazing mindset shows in the US-neo-Nazi collaboration in Ukraine and in Israel-ISIS collaboration in the Middle East. Next time the DC 'deciders' come out blaring "Support the Troops!" it would be proper to remind the "patriots" how well the realpolitik has been working re mujahideen (are not you satisfied with the World Trade Center story, Mr. Kissinger?) and for the "liberated" Iraq and Libya. The real menacing empire has been assembled in the US by the MIC-Lobby-FedReserve activists for whom Mr. Kissinger has been a loyal and well-paid servant.
  52. annamaria says:
    @Sherman
    Israel has excellent intelligence inside of Syria.

    Israel recently announced that they've bombed dozens of weapons shipments inside Syria over the past few years that were destined for Hezbollah.

    The Israelis were able to fire a missile and assasinate the murderous Hezbollah terrorist Samir Kuntar in Damascus. They've also knocked off other Hezbollah and Iranian officers.

    Amazingly, the Israelis have been able to pull this off without tangling with the Russian military. Israel, no doubt, is in coordination with Russian officials.

    (Keep in mind that while Putin might be pro-Assad he's also maintained very close relations with Israel and Russia's Jewish community).

    I trust Israel has the capabilities to defend its borders against any Iranian/Hezbollah/Syrian threat.

    “I trust Israel has the capabilities to defend its borders against any Iranian/Hezbollah/Syrian threat.”
    Sure.
    Now, could you demonstrate this threat? Neither Iranians nor Syrians have ever attacked Israel, destroyed its government, and murdered its civilian population in hundreds of thousands. Whereas Israel-firsters (the Lobby and Friends of Israel) have been involved actively in planning and implementing the illegal sanctions against Iran and the “humanitarian” intervention in Syria (actually, a subhuman intervention).
    To some extent, I sympathize with your attempts to present Israel in virtuous terms. But such attempts could be futile. The many violations of the international laws and the facts that the ongoing slaughterous wars in the Middle East were designed (PNAC) and pushed forward by the US neocons of zionist persuasion, make Israel defeated morally. There is no moral ground for the Israelis to stand on. Throughout modern history, the persecutions against the Jews were part of realpolitik. But when the Jews gained a chance, they acted according to realpolitik with the vengeance. – There is no difference between zionism and nazism; they were born in the same country and they are based on the similar romanticized ideas. Who would listen to stories about Holocaust after the Israelis had committed Nakba and after the US ziocons have infiltrated the US government and were highly active in pushing for the Iraq war (illegal, with enormous civilian casualties, particularly among children), against Libya (see the flooding of Europe with the sub-Saharan migrants), and against Syria. Bibi’s government has been caught again and again on helping the jihadis to fight against the sovereign state of Syria, by the way. In Syria alone, the civilian casualties are in hundreds of thousands. “Landmark research proves that the US-led ‘war on terror’ has killed as many as 2 million people:” http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/unworthy-victims-western-wars-have-killed-four-million-muslims-1990-39149394
    Considering the percentage of the Jewish population, the crimes committed in the name of Israel in the Middle East make a very heavy load for each living Jew.

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  53. @One Tribe
    Jilles, exactly correct; this illegitimate zionist occupation/pseudo-state, is the most prepared for catastrophic global-level collapse; so they will push harder then anybody else, putting world collapse on the line, thinking that in a 100 years or so, their position will be relatively stronger.
    It is the lowest form of moral ever seen, and none of their so called enemies have ever been close to being so anti-human and anti-planet.

    illegitimate zionist occupation:
    the ONLY 'country' to ever get conditional recognition as a state (at the United Nations), based on the conditions that ALL displaced Palestinian/indigenous compensated; clearly not happened/going to happen, thus the political entity so-called Israel is unambiguously illegitimate.

    the most dangerous government in the world
    because they are willing to gamble on global collapse/nuclear war, as a policy, they are endangering everybody on the planet, all living things on the planet and the biosphere itself; this is nothing short of the ultimate 'crimes against humanity', not to mention the ongoing genocide against the indigenous Palestinian population.

    Net-in-yahoo
    clearly sociopathic, caring only for the jewish/israeli people who serve his personal psychophantic ambitions; he is their enemy/oppressor even more than the rest of the world population.

    Iran undoubtedly has a 'poison pill', and will use it if nuclear weapons are used against them, BY ANY ONE, then all but the elite in the occupied Palestinian mandate lands will be horribly killed, and the land desecrate for thousands of years!

    But the removal of net-in-Yahu will not unfortunately remove the threat from the planet, and we will have to see the empire fall, at least the U.S.A. implode, before any real mitigations can be done to the threat.

    I'm not against anyone by prejudice, this is all about the facts as they exist today.
    The regime in the Palestinian mandate lands is devoted to negative-sum-gain gaming, and the planet simply cannot sustain this scale of it, any more.

    What is Iran’s “poison pill”?

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  54. utu says:

    Talking bad about Iran was a constant feature throughout Trumps campaign and his presidency thus far. It was not in the front but what was in the front of his campaign platform is being ditched.

    This is how it works:

    Point 1: Elect the president that can start the war with Iran [check]

    Point 2: Have the disguise political platform on which he got elected thrown out of the window [check]

    This point is still in the process but the three pillars of Trump platform (A) immigration, (B) economic nationalism and (C) isolation are not going to be implement. Only (A) will be toyed with to keep the Trump’s base happy. (B) cannot be implemented because we are too far on the road to globalism and neoliberalism and the financial elite likes it this way and (C) can easily be violated as Americans like their wars and flag waving is one of their pleasures and thus it will not diminish the support for the president.

    Point 3: Make president do what he was supposed to do from the very beginning and then blame him for it. [...]

    Point 4: Elect new president who will promise to do everything differently[...]

    The so called alt-right who was egged on by people around breitbart.com will quickly learn that breitbart.com was just a Zionist front as it will be concentrating on virtually only Zionist causes. They will push for McMaster replacement and Bannon will be assuring Zionists their agenda in on the front burner:

    Steve Bannon to Speak at Zionist Organization of America Dinner: ‘No Better Friend’ to ‘the Jewish State of Israel’

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/28/steve-bannon-to-speak-at-zionist-organization-of-america-dinner-no-better-friend-to-the-jewish-state-of-israel/

    The HBD crowd like Charles Murray or Steve Sailer and many others will be allowed to continue playing with racisms as long as they continue reinforcing the meme of high Jewish IQ so the peasants do not question the right of their masters to be their masters. The system is called the meritocracy for a reason, right?

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Perhaps we should contemplate the following: during this alleged period of Jewish takeover, decades in the making as you reckon it, what has been the trend of U.S. median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment? Little else matters as much.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Think of war as like an orgasm. At Trump's age and political stage teasing and restraint is the game.. (Consult Taki for truly expert comment)
  55. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Priss Factor
    A young con, Nick Fuentes, questions US aid to Israel, and Conservative Inc hurls big rocks at home.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcGeA2hrqrs

    On a related matter heard from this video -

    1st amendment applies to shops and business owned by private . Hobby Lobby , Chik o Felle had to give in .

    Why this should not applicable to website who wants to delist ‘ right wing ‘ sites ?

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  56. judotrain says:

    You can be sure that Israel will not attack Iran unless the US leads the way. Israeli polls show this- so much for an “existentialist” threat. The DC neocons have sent trillions to the ME to do Israel’s bidding, so of course they should expect to have the US destroy Iran as well.

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  57. Jake says:

    Israel’s fantasy Iran is a natural result of the British dealings in the Middle East, which the US inherited and took over with a Yankee vengeance.

    At the height of the Victorian era, the Brit Empire WASP Elites were all pro-Semitic. But they were divided into two basic camps of pro-Semites. The majority of them were pro-Jewish; the rest were pro-Arabic and pro-Islam.

    Those WASP pro-Semites all despised their native ‘white trash’ and romanticized their pet Semites.

    The pro-Jewish WASPs would make certain we would get a nation of Israel. The pro-Arabic/Islamic WASPs came to back the Sauds and thus Wahhabi Islam.

    The secret service of both Israel (Mossad) and Saudi Arabia (General Intelligence Presidency) were both founded and trained by Brit secret service. So was the CIA.

    So today, when we have Israel and Saudi Arabia allied, with the US BFF with each, the US arming each, we have the dream vision of the Victorian WASPs.

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  58. Jake says:
    @jilles dykstra
    The only way to force peace on Israel is political and/or economical.
    There is no military option, Israel prefers suicide, with destruction of the world, to negotiations which Israel does not control.

    There is a good deal of truth in that assessment. It comes from the Jewish faith in being The Chosen Race.

    When the Romans surrounded Jerusalem, priests and Pharisee Rabbis both stood on the walls and prayed. Their prayers featured ones that reminded God that He could allow his Chosen Race to be destroyed, so God must smite the Romans.

    Jews have been replaying that event since, giving God every chance needed for Him to prove that He will smite the entire worlds to save the Chosen Race.

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  59. Sam Shama says:
    @utu
    Talking bad about Iran was a constant feature throughout Trumps campaign and his presidency thus far. It was not in the front but what was in the front of his campaign platform is being ditched.

    This is how it works:

    Point 1: Elect the president that can start the war with Iran [check]

    Point 2: Have the disguise political platform on which he got elected thrown out of the window [check]

    This point is still in the process but the three pillars of Trump platform (A) immigration, (B) economic nationalism and (C) isolation are not going to be implement. Only (A) will be toyed with to keep the Trump's base happy. (B) cannot be implemented because we are too far on the road to globalism and neoliberalism and the financial elite likes it this way and (C) can easily be violated as Americans like their wars and flag waving is one of their pleasures and thus it will not diminish the support for the president.

    Point 3: Make president do what he was supposed to do from the very beginning and then blame him for it. [...]

    Point 4: Elect new president who will promise to do everything differently[...]

    The so called alt-right who was egged on by people around breitbart.com will quickly learn that breitbart.com was just a Zionist front as it will be concentrating on virtually only Zionist causes. They will push for McMaster replacement and Bannon will be assuring Zionists their agenda in on the front burner:

    Steve Bannon to Speak at Zionist Organization of America Dinner: ‘No Better Friend’ to ‘the Jewish State of Israel’
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/28/steve-bannon-to-speak-at-zionist-organization-of-america-dinner-no-better-friend-to-the-jewish-state-of-israel/
     
    The HBD crowd like Charles Murray or Steve Sailer and many others will be allowed to continue playing with racisms as long as they continue reinforcing the meme of high Jewish IQ so the peasants do not question the right of their masters to be their masters. The system is called the meritocracy for a reason, right?

    Perhaps we should contemplate the following: during this alleged period of Jewish takeover, decades in the making as you reckon it, what has been the trend of U.S. median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment? Little else matters as much.

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    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    Hey Sam the Sham!

    Congratulations.

    I never read such common sense (in reverse) since Rumsfeld comforted the war-beaten ZUSA nation by saying, "shit happens."

    Selah.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    what was been the trend of German median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment 1933-1943? Little else matters as much.

    and yet, as soon as those promises were made to the German people, to lead them to a period of improved " median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment," Jews set out to destroy their economy, stating publicly the intent to "bring Germany to its knees;" and to "destroy export trade upon which Germany's existence depends" (i.e. it was an existential threat).

    If Little else matters as much as the trend of . . . median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment, and if we know that nations with stable median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment are less likely to engage in disagreeable acts and more likely to relate peacefully with their neighbors, then why does the Jewish-led US Treasury dept. take such strenuous efforts to economically cripple so many nation-states in the world?
    , @Art

    Perhaps we should contemplate the following: during this alleged period of Jewish takeover, decades in the making as you reckon it, what has been the trend of U.S. median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment? Little else matters as much.
     
    The Little Jew says "shut up Gentiles take what we give you."

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. What the Jews have been giving us in the last 30 years, is less and less of the pie.

    p.s. As head of the Fed - Greenspan manipulated the economy so that Jews got more and we got less - PERIOD

    p.s. Little Jew - NO war with Iran.

  60. @Mulegino1
    "Beware a Wolfowitz in Sheep's clothing" has to be one of the greatest phrases coined in the last quarter century! Hopefully it will go viral!

    Nah…. If you are willing to put W in a flock of sheep why not really go for it with
    “Beware a W in schlepper’s s[c]hmatte”

    You anti-Semites aren’t really trying. Himmler could have fixed that one for you.

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    As usual, the rat in the woodpile has to to make his litigious "contribution. " Is there anything that you will not whine about?
  61. @utu
    Talking bad about Iran was a constant feature throughout Trumps campaign and his presidency thus far. It was not in the front but what was in the front of his campaign platform is being ditched.

    This is how it works:

    Point 1: Elect the president that can start the war with Iran [check]

    Point 2: Have the disguise political platform on which he got elected thrown out of the window [check]

    This point is still in the process but the three pillars of Trump platform (A) immigration, (B) economic nationalism and (C) isolation are not going to be implement. Only (A) will be toyed with to keep the Trump's base happy. (B) cannot be implemented because we are too far on the road to globalism and neoliberalism and the financial elite likes it this way and (C) can easily be violated as Americans like their wars and flag waving is one of their pleasures and thus it will not diminish the support for the president.

    Point 3: Make president do what he was supposed to do from the very beginning and then blame him for it. [...]

    Point 4: Elect new president who will promise to do everything differently[...]

    The so called alt-right who was egged on by people around breitbart.com will quickly learn that breitbart.com was just a Zionist front as it will be concentrating on virtually only Zionist causes. They will push for McMaster replacement and Bannon will be assuring Zionists their agenda in on the front burner:

    Steve Bannon to Speak at Zionist Organization of America Dinner: ‘No Better Friend’ to ‘the Jewish State of Israel’
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/28/steve-bannon-to-speak-at-zionist-organization-of-america-dinner-no-better-friend-to-the-jewish-state-of-israel/
     
    The HBD crowd like Charles Murray or Steve Sailer and many others will be allowed to continue playing with racisms as long as they continue reinforcing the meme of high Jewish IQ so the peasants do not question the right of their masters to be their masters. The system is called the meritocracy for a reason, right?

    Think of war as like an orgasm. At Trump’s age and political stage teasing and restraint is the game.. (Consult Taki for truly expert comment)

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  62. Mulegino1 says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Nah.... If you are willing to put W in a flock of sheep why not really go for it with
    "Beware a W in schlepper's s[c]hmatte"

    You anti-Semites aren't really trying. Himmler could have fixed that one for you.

    As usual, the rat in the woodpile has to to make his litigious “contribution. ” Is there anything that you will not whine about?

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  63. http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/381367/why-did-23andme-tell-ashkenazi-jews-they-could-be-descended-from-khazars/

    What’s going on in this article?

    Very confusing. We’ve been told Khazar Theory is discredited. But is there genetic basis for it now?

    Article is fuzzy.

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    • Replies: @utu
    You are really naive, Priss. You think science can interfere with the foundation myth of Israel and Judaism? Science is always subservient to the ruling ideology. Who creates and approves of this science?
    , @HBM
    There's no scientific reason given for why they either said it or retracted it-- so it sounds like (((pressure))), of course. Also of note is that the article ends with the claim that certain haplogroups are associated with Jewish "Tribes"-- i.e., R1 is the Tribe of Levi-- without a hint of skepticism. Also: how do Ashkenazi Jews descend from a group in the Levant that apparently isn't much older than the first century? Shouldn't they be a lot older than that?

    Also, the fear, naturally, is that the Khazar stuff (which to me appears transparently to be a Christian rationalization-- but I'm open to scientific evidence) robs Jews of a historical claim to the so-called "holy land".

    What's also worth knowing that robs them is history and archaeology. Some scholars argue (and have for decades) that Jews did not exist until the Persian conquest; that Jewish History is a concoction, a historical fiction. (This is the stuff Finkelstein won't tell you.)

    If that's the case, then nobody who viewed themselves as a Jew self-ruled in that place until the period following the Greeks and until the Romans arrived-- a span of about a hundred years. Before the Persians, they were just more Semitic Levantine pagans, like everyone else in the region.

    I suspect this theory is correct.
    , @anon
    " Despite being one of the most genetically analysed groups, the origin of European Jews has remained obscure. However, a new study published online January 17 in the journal Genome Biology and Evolution by Dr Eran Elhaik, a geneticist at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, argues that the European Jewish genome is a mosaic of Caucasus, European, and Semitic ancestries, setting to rest previous contradictory reports of Jewish ancestry. Elhaik's findings strongly support the Khazarian Hypothesis, as opposed to the Rhineland Hypothesis, of European Jewish origins. This could have a major impact on the ways in which scientists study genetic disorders within the population.

    The Rhineland Hypothesis has been the favoured explanation for the origins of present-day European Jews, until now. In this scenario Jews descended from Israelite-Canaanite tribes left the Holy Land for Europe in the 7th century, following the Muslim conquest of Palestine. Then, in the beginning of the 15th century, a group of approximately 50,000 left Germany, the Rhineland, for the east. There they maintained high endogamy, and despite wars, persecution, disease, plagues, and economic hardships, their population expanded rapidly to around 8 million in the 20th century. Due to the implausibility of such an event, this rapid expansion was explained by Prof Harry Ostrer, Dr Gil Atzmon, and colleagues as a miracle. Under the Rhineland Hypothesis, European Jews would be very similar to each other and would have a predominant Middle Eastern ancestry.

    The rival explanation, the Khazarian Hypothesis, states that the Jewish-convert Khazars -- a confederation of Turkic, Iranian, and Mongol tribes who lived in what is now Southern Russia, north of Georgia and east of Ukraine, and who converted to Judaism between the 7th and 9th centuries -- along with groups of Mesopotamian and Greco-Roman Jews, formed the basis of eastern Europe's Jewish population when they fled eastward"

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130116195333.htm

    Forward article dismisses the lead scientist as "antis emite"- the usual trope ,

  64. @Sam Shama
    Perhaps we should contemplate the following: during this alleged period of Jewish takeover, decades in the making as you reckon it, what has been the trend of U.S. median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment? Little else matters as much.

    Hey Sam the Sham!

    Congratulations.

    I never read such common sense (in reverse) since Rumsfeld comforted the war-beaten ZUSA nation by saying, “shit happens.”

    Selah.

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    Hey, Woodchuck the dumb f!

    Sorry, you feel upset. Tuna subs not up to par? Don't eat too many, mercury and all that. It happens that averages do conceal some things, like your personal condition. Don't be too upset, you are just a data point.

    Selah

  65. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Priss Factor
    Socialism without National Character will fail.

    This is ignored by both TYT and Sargon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVgjv6IGHYI

    it’s about lithium

    Lithium, the so-called “white petroleum”, drives much of the modern world. It forms a small but essentially irreplaceable component of rechargeable batteries, used in consumer devices like mobile phones and electric cars. It also has pharmaceutical and other applications.

    Over half of the earth’s identified resources of the mineral are found in South America’s “lithium triangle”, an otherworldly landscape of high-altitude lakes and bright white salt flats that straddles Chile, Argentina and Bolivia. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-latam-lithium-idUSKCN0WH1BZ

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  66. @Mulegino1
    As usual, the rat in the woodpile has to to make his litigious "contribution. " Is there anything that you will not whine about?

    Whine? You should try Tin Ear for a moniker.

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  67. @hyperbola
    Crimes Against Humanity From Ford to Saddam
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2007/01/06/crimes-against-humanity-from-ford-to-saddam/

    Now that both Gerald Ford and Saddam Hussein are dead and buried, the question of how they will be remembered here in the United States arises. If the talk of officialdom and the mainstream media outlets thus far is any indicator-and surely it is-the U.S. collective memories of the two leaders will be diametrically opposed.....

    ..... On Dec. 6, 1975, Ford and Henry Kissinger, his secretary of state, were in Jakarta, Indonesia to meet the country’s dictator, General Suharto. Ford was fully cognizant of Indonesia’s plans to launch an imminent invasion of the former Portuguese Timor. According to declassified documents published by the Washington-based National Security Archive, Ford assured Suharto that with regard to East Timor, “[We] will not press you on the issue. We understand . . . the intentions you have.” (1)

    Suharto needed Washington’s go-ahead due to a 1958 agreement that prohibited Indonesia from using U.S.-origin weaponry, which made up 90 percent of Jakarta’s arsenal at the time, except for “legitimate national self-defense.” (2) For this reason Kissinger suggested that the invasion be framed as self-defense, thus circumventing any legal obstacles.

    Kissinger then expressed understanding for Indonesia’s “need to move quickly” and advised “that it would be better if it were done after we [he and Ford] returned [to the United States].” About 14 hours after their departure, Indonesian forces invaded neighboring East Timor.....
    ___________________________________________________________________

    We might also remember that other criminals from Kissinger's sect also got a big push from their activities relative to Timor.

    Beware a Wolfowitz in Sheep's Clothing
    Washington Backs Indonesian Military Again
    http://dissidentvoice.org/Mar05/Nevins0317.htm

    Thanks for the last link in particular. I think we both see that nothing was done “on a whim”!

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  68. @Mulegino1
    As usual, the rat in the woodpile has to to make his litigious "contribution. " Is there anything that you will not whine about?

    No, there isn’t.

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  69. @Sam Shama
    Perhaps we should contemplate the following: during this alleged period of Jewish takeover, decades in the making as you reckon it, what has been the trend of U.S. median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment? Little else matters as much.

    what was been the trend of German median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment 1933-1943? Little else matters as much.

    and yet, as soon as those promises were made to the German people, to lead them to a period of improved ” median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment,” Jews set out to destroy their economy, stating publicly the intent to “bring Germany to its knees;” and to “destroy export trade upon which Germany’s existence depends” (i.e. it was an existential threat).

    If Little else matters as much as the trend of . . . median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment, and if we know that nations with stable median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment are less likely to engage in disagreeable acts and more likely to relate peacefully with their neighbors, then why does the Jewish-led US Treasury dept. take such strenuous efforts to economically cripple so many nation-states in the world?

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    You know the reasons as well as I do. Shirer writes of the period 1933-1937:

    LIFE IN THE THIRD REICH: 1933-37
    It was at this time, in the late summer of 1934, that I came to live and work in the Third Reich. There was much that impressed, puzzled and troubled a foreign observer about the new Germany. The overwhelming majority of Germans did not seem to mind that their personal freedom had been taken away, that so much of their culture had been destroyed and replaced with a mindless barbarism, or that their life and work had become regimented to a degree never before experienced even by a people accustomed for generations to a great deal of regimentation.

    In the background, to be sure, there lurked the terror of the Gestapo and the fear of the concentration camp for those who got out of line or who had been Communists or Socialists or too liberal or too pacifist, or who were Jews. The Blood Purge of June 30, 1934, was a warning of how ruthless the new leaders could be. Yet the Nazi terror in the early years affected the lives of relatively few Germans and a newly arrived observer was somewhat surprised to see that the people of this country did not seem to feel that they were being cowed and held down by an unscrupulous and brutal dictatorship.
     

    Hitler, contemptuous and rejective of free-markets capitalism, set Germany on a path of autarky, massive deficit spending with 60% of public spending geared towards armaments. This was central command economics, which he gave expression to on several occasions including the clearest, just after ascending to power: There is no license any more, no private sphere where the individual belongs to himself. That is socialism, not such trivial matters as the possibility of privately owning the means of production. Such things mean nothing if I subject people to a kind of discipline they can't escape...What need have we to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings

    This policy was to continue until July 1944 when during a speech from Berchtesgaden he reflected the very same sentiments but included an assertion that private industry would miraculously embrace these socialistic principles and emerge resplendent and profitable!

    Hjalmar Schacht engaged in more than a few highly dubious schemes to lever up Hitler's command economy. He concealed from national accounts through the use of Metallurgische Forschungsgesellschaft or MEFO bills, a means to finance the deficit without directly using Reichsmarks. Banks were then compelled to purchase government bonds, all ballooning the deficit to more than 39 billion marks vs. a 92.2 b gdp in 1939. You can do the maths and decide if such a deficit is sustainable, particularly for an economy so geared to exports and not in possession of public and private assets which might endow it with a principal reserve currency. In fact, sustain it did not, and repayment of maturing bonds were often satisfied by raiding private savings accounts and insurance company reserves!

    Of course we disagree on what Hitler's motives for the larger European theatre were, yet while I'll even agree he envisioned, at least during a brief early window, what any leader might for the economic lot of his citizens, his sequential and rapacious actions on European states over the same period and beyond, leave little doubt that economic progress of the ordinary German was rapidly relegated to a distant third or fourth compared to his military ambitions.

    Kristallnacht, Nov 1938, taken together with his Struggle, written in plain if untidy form, left no vacillations in the minds of HM government and her allies as to what they were faced with. Once again, this reduces to a straightforward understanding of statecraft; something which ought to have troubled AH, in that he was taking on an adversary far superior in the foregoing subject, as well as in arms.

  70. @Wizard of Oz
    Whine? You should try Tin Ear for a moniker.

    You should try Self-Important Windbag for yours.

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  71. Sam Shama says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Hey Sam the Sham!

    Congratulations.

    I never read such common sense (in reverse) since Rumsfeld comforted the war-beaten ZUSA nation by saying, "shit happens."

    Selah.

    Hey, Woodchuck the dumb f!

    Sorry, you feel upset. Tuna subs not up to par? Don’t eat too many, mercury and all that. It happens that averages do conceal some things, like your personal condition. Don’t be too upset, you are just a data point.

    Selah

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    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    Hey Hasbara Cowboy,

    Is it not factual that Mordechai Vanunu was once a "data point" for the world's awareness of Israel's having nuclear weapons?

    It's better to be a "data point" than an A.D.L. collector of dossiers on people who are sickened by advanced Jewish Thought Control.

    Post scriptum: I intuit that you have once again commented on an inconvenient P.
    Giraldi article that you have yet to read. (Sigh)
    Why don't you spy on & heckle "Iran, again"? Evidently, the G-man's work is too well known (and respected!) as a major "data point" for informing people about s(Z)ickening things the warmonger Netanyahu prefers kept secret. Continue to be arrogantly unflappable while completing today's hasbara things-to-discredit list on The Unz Review.

    Why, why, why?

    Repent!
  72. utu says:
    @Priss Factor
    http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/381367/why-did-23andme-tell-ashkenazi-jews-they-could-be-descended-from-khazars/

    What's going on in this article?

    Very confusing. We've been told Khazar Theory is discredited. But is there genetic basis for it now?

    Article is fuzzy.

    You are really naive, Priss. You think science can interfere with the foundation myth of Israel and Judaism? Science is always subservient to the ruling ideology. Who creates and approves of this science?

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  73. @Beefcake the Mighty
    You should try Self-Important Windbag for yours.

    Ah, you mean to say it is not your exclusive IP?

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    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    No, you patented it long ago, I can only claim derivative influence from your path-breaking douchebaggery.
  74. @Realist
    Henry Kissinger has lived in this country 79 years, since he left Germany at the age of 15. And the dumb son-of-a-bitch still has a heavy German accent.

    Not dumb, so it’s a trade mark or he just couldn’t make it in the opera chorus if he opened his mouth….

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    Anyone who can't get rid of an accent in 79 years is a dumb son-of-a-bitch.
  75. krollchem says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Hey Krollchem,

    Sherman was FACTUALLY "amazed" at how Israel militarily engaged Assad forces without "tangling" with Russia.

    For me, such is the greatest political mystery of our young century.

    And Israel's free hand to strike Syrian targets is there for all those interested to see.

    Here is a sentence from Arthur Conan Doyles' "Adventures of Sberlock Holmes," from "The Boscombe Mystery":

    Addressing Watson with paradox, Holmes said, "There is nothing more DECEPTIVE than an obvious fact."

    As a ZUSA citizen, there's no need for me to list how official government lies have transformed into political facts.A.D To what level am I expected to deny the fact of the Putin government having "stood down" when Israel enjoyed a bloody (free hand), destabilized and struck Russian allies in Syria?

    Calling London, Sherlock Holmes! Is the Zionist takeover of recognizable history, current events, & journalism so complete that even the big "facts" can be instantly known & a casual response of "Oh well, who gives a flyin' Aspidistra fuck?" becomes the proles' engineered response?

    Like Linh Dinh once wrote, I wish Paul Craig Roberts returns to The Unz Review.

    The world is becoming increasingly multipolar as China and Russia are catching up with the US.
    In the meantime, US empire is collapsing and the trick is to let it collapse slowly. I suspect Putin is playing a deep strategy game (think Chinese GO) rather than the standard US poker game.

    Unfortunately, none of this will prevent the demographic time bomb and the sixth extinction.

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  76. @Wizard of Oz
    Ah, you mean to say it is not your exclusive IP?

    No, you patented it long ago, I can only claim derivative influence from your path-breaking douchebaggery.

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  77. @Grandpa Charlie
    Oh yeah, of course we should trust the judgment of such a great one as Henry Kissinger (snark), who sacrificed the Christian people of East Timor on a whim, and whose idea of 'real politik' is to give away everything that CCP's Standing Committee wants, including Taiwan! And yet, none dare call it treason!

    Taiwan is not ours to “give away.” Let’s stay out of it. Whether one bunch of Chinese people (Taiwan) is swallowed up by another bunch of Chinese people (mianland china) is of little concern to my family or my nation.

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  78. “The United State has no real compelling reason to attack Iran ”
    The United State has no reason for any of those wars in ME, Muslim lands. But the United State is just a “Bulky, Tough, and not much in the Head”, hit man. Just follows orders from the brainy little man
    Who need to be exterminated is not a question a hit man asks. Just follow orders
    Our POTUS, DJT, has no escape from to an alternative view , Bannon gone, the whole Zionist tribe is on his dinner table……..

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  79. @Robert Lee
    Anyone notice this little point .....

    Trump reveals 'top secret intelligence' to high Russian officials 'to make his point' in a meeting, and is hammered for it in the corporate pro-war media and threatened with impeachment for doing so.

    Netanyaaaahooooo reveals 'top secret intelligence' to high Russian officials 'to make his point' and this becomes a talking point in the corporate pro-war media that shows how serious the situation is and becomes a part of the case for wasting $Trillions more and getting more American kids killed in yet another America-Last War.

    Hi Robert Lee, Netanyahu is The Godfather, Trump is just POTUS. You can’t question authority, it’s treason, as we’ve seen over the decades a Jooie is innocent even if proven guilty. Only his/her equal can question their innocence. We can hull all kinds of insults to our POTUS and question any policy, as long as it doesn’t touch or question Israel or its leaders and their crimes
    How many Jews have committed highest acts of treason against this country and its allies that will never see a day in court. Of course not a word from the ZioMedia.
    But you can read it in Har’etz.

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  80. RobinG says:

    Rockville, Maryland – “Town Hall” this Thurs. with Senator Cardin, ADL/AIPAC 5th Column author of anti-BDS bill that seeks to curtail US 1st Amendment.

    When confronted at a town hall last week, Sen. Ben Cardin, lead sponsor of the unconstitutional Israel Anti-Boycott Act, said that groups defending the right to boycott, were “just wrong.”

    To confront Sen. Cardin in person, join Freedom to Boycott in Maryland and allies at Sen. Cardin’s Rockville town hall on Thursday, August 31 at 6 PM to stand up for our right to engage in BDS campaigns.

    Resist Ben Cardin’s Attack on Free Speech & Palestinian Rights
    @ Senator Ben Cardin’s Rockville Town Hall
    Thursday, August 31, 6-8 PM
    John Hopkins Montgomery County, 9601 Medical Center Dr, Rockville, MD 20850

    Can’t go? A phone call to Sen. Cardin’s office will have more impact than an email message. His office numbers are:
    Tel: (202) 224-4524 – Capitol Hill
    Tel: (301) 762-2974 – Rockville
    Be sure to say that you are a constituent whichever means you use to contact him.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Be sure to say that you are a constituent whichever means you use to contact him.

    It's okay to lie if God is on your side.
  81. Realist says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Not dumb, so it's a trade mark or he just couldn't make it in the opera chorus if he opened his mouth....

    Anyone who can’t get rid of an accent in 79 years is a dumb son-of-a-bitch.

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  82. LondonBob says:

    Reports claim Netanyahoo got slapped down by both Putin and Trump, Zionists are mostly a confidence truck so little they can about it.

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  83. Tuktuk says:

    Another important consideration here is Israel’s longstanding ambitions to acquire South Lebanon up to the Litani. In the early 1950s, Ben Gurion plotted in cabinet to foment civil war in Lebanon so that Israel could intercede on behalf of the Christians, then occupy and ultimately annex South Lebanon, up to the Litani River. In the early 1980s Israel invaded under the pretext of dealing with Palestinian terrorists operating out of South Beirut. Arafat and the PLO were frog marched out to Tunusia within a year but Israel stayed for another 20 years until it was driven out by Hezbollah which emerged as a groundswell militia in response to the Israeli occupation – with the help of Iran. The Israelis tried again ten years later, once again to be driven out by Hezbollah. Israel wants South Lebanon still and Iran’s support for Hezbollah stands in its way.

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  84. annamaria says:
    @KA
    Per Kissinger, the impending defeat of ISIS in Syria and Iraq will create a power vacuum which will open the door to the creation of an “Iranian radical empire,” As Iran is also fighting ISIS, Kissinger warns against complacency, that “in the contemporary Middle East…the enemy of your enemy is also your enemy.”


    Kissinger says whatever itches in his keister to get out . He knows it will be accepted as the best aroma the free world can supply .

    .

    “Kissinger warns against complacency, that “in the contemporary Middle East…the enemy of your enemy is also your enemy.”
    Well. This amazing mindset shows in the US-neo-Nazi collaboration in Ukraine and in Israel-ISIS collaboration in the Middle East. Next time the DC ‘deciders’ come out blaring “Support the Troops!” it would be proper to remind the “patriots” how well the realpolitik has been working re mujahideen (are not you satisfied with the World Trade Center story, Mr. Kissinger?) and for the “liberated” Iraq and Libya. The real menacing empire has been assembled in the US by the MIC-Lobby-FedReserve activists for whom Mr. Kissinger has been a loyal and well-paid servant.

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  85. iffen says:
    @RobinG
    Rockville, Maryland - "Town Hall" this Thurs. with Senator Cardin, ADL/AIPAC 5th Column author of anti-BDS bill that seeks to curtail US 1st Amendment.

    When confronted at a town hall last week, Sen. Ben Cardin, lead sponsor of the unconstitutional Israel Anti-Boycott Act, said that groups defending the right to boycott, were "just wrong."

    To confront Sen. Cardin in person, join Freedom to Boycott in Maryland and allies at Sen. Cardin's Rockville town hall on Thursday, August 31 at 6 PM to stand up for our right to engage in BDS campaigns.

    Resist Ben Cardin's Attack on Free Speech & Palestinian Rights
    @ Senator Ben Cardin's Rockville Town Hall
    Thursday, August 31, 6-8 PM
    John Hopkins Montgomery County, 9601 Medical Center Dr, Rockville, MD 20850

    Can't go? A phone call to Sen. Cardin’s office will have more impact than an email message. His office numbers are:
    Tel: (202) 224-4524 – Capitol Hill
    Tel: (301) 762-2974 – Rockville
    Be sure to say that you are a constituent whichever means you use to contact him.

    Be sure to say that you are a constituent whichever means you use to contact him.

    It’s okay to lie if God is on your side.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Does not one fight fire with fire? Is it immoral to lie to defend oneself against the lies of a liar?
  86. KenH says:

    When Trump fired the tomahawk cruise missiles at Syria the (((media))) fell in love and it led to a 48hr bromance with war mongering Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham. Enemies temporarily became allies and his approval rating jumped about ten points.

    Given the positive reinforcement he received from the establishment/Deep State my fear is that he might think a war is an easy way to save his embattled presidency and keep his domestic enemies at bay. But as with all our wars there’s unintended consequences which would ultimately destroy his presidency and his legacy much like it did to Dubya.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Any potential legacy of Dubya's was lost by the way he obtained his presidency.
  87. @Sam Shama
    Hey, Woodchuck the dumb f!

    Sorry, you feel upset. Tuna subs not up to par? Don't eat too many, mercury and all that. It happens that averages do conceal some things, like your personal condition. Don't be too upset, you are just a data point.

    Selah

    Hey Hasbara Cowboy,

    Is it not factual that Mordechai Vanunu was once a “data point” for the world’s awareness of Israel’s having nuclear weapons?

    It’s better to be a “data point” than an A.D.L. collector of dossiers on people who are sickened by advanced Jewish Thought Control.

    Post scriptum: I intuit that you have once again commented on an inconvenient P.
    Giraldi article that you have yet to read. (Sigh)
    Why don’t you spy on & heckle “Iran, again”? Evidently, the G-man’s work is too well known (and respected!) as a major “data point” for informing people about s(Z)ickening things the warmonger Netanyahu prefers kept secret. Continue to be arrogantly unflappable while completing today’s hasbara things-to-discredit list on The Unz Review.

    Why, why, why?

    Repent!

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  88. @Moi
    Putin is a wuss, and will do zilch.

    Putin may be a wuss, but he is well tempered wuss, and one highly respected by his own Russian constituents. Therefore, he can be more objective. And what a disaster that would be for the Zionists – to have a confident, honest judge presiding over the Mid East affairs. Especially a judge who can readily see that Mid East peace depends upon justice being done for the Palestinians. Justice for Palestinians ? – What a disaster for the free-loaders seizing everything not nailed down in the West Bank.
    No wonder, Putin is hated so intensely by the Israeli-First crowd – he represents a potential block to the Israeli land-grab. All of the Zionists and their paid stooges like the main stream media, the bought and paid for DLC, and the Clintons are answering the clarion call to attack and smear Putin and the Russians before something disastrous happens to Israeli expansion. Putin and the Russians must keep their honest noses out of a cozy American/Israeli arrangement.

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    • Replies: @moi
    From what I understand, Putin has met with Bibi several times and the two get along quite well.
    , @DESERT FOX
    Agree, and Putin is a Christian and rebuilt a number of churches that Stalin and the Bolsheviks had blown up including Christ The Savior church in Moscow. Zionist Israel is in control of America and the Zionists worship satan and are in the process of destroying America.
  89. @Realist
    Anyone who can't get rid of an accent in 79 years is a dumb son-of-a-bitch.

    Why do you assume he would want to?

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    So he doesn't sound like a fucking idiot...but of course he is.
    , @anon
    Wolfowitz is neither a wolf nor a sheep but a bastard who should be put on trial for mass murder .His wet dream of killing as many as possible started actually in 1979 as documented in SUNSHINE WARRIOR (NYT) revealed through his mad hatred for Iraqi leader .
    He continued down that path In the process he forced the administration to ignore real danger . His monumental blunder was by design . He let 911 happen by forcing intelligence to focus on Saddam not on Al Quida from 1993 WTC bombing until August of 2001.

    He is a murderer pure and simple.
  90. @Krollchem
    I have to agree that Israel has well trained agents furthering the greater Israel agenda. At one time the head of Syrian intelligence was a Mossad agent. He was eventually found out and executed.

    Now days Mossad agents focus on infiltration of Saudi backed ISIS/ISIL groups. Most are being ferried to safety as the Israeli backed terrorists are being defeated in Syria and Iraq. Occasionally Israeli terrorist is captured as reported here:

    "Mossad Officer Leading ISIL as Mosque Imam Arrested in Libya"
    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13960604301530

    You really need to review Lebanon history and how the Shia in Lebanon originally welcomed the Israeli invasion until the Israeli's killed a bunch of Shia. Hezbollah was formed to protect the Shia against Israeli aggression.

    heh.
    Mercer just posted an item about Lincoln the centralizer & Sherman the genocidaire, both = Hitler the centralizer.

    In a recent interview, Robert Ford, the Last US Ambassador to Syria, said, “Assad has won; Russia, Iran are in Syria to stay; there is no rolling it back.”

    https://www.thenational.ae/world/the-americas/assad-has-won-says-former-us-ambassador-to-syria-1.623562

    Fascinating to juxtapose Ford’s comments re Assad & Syria with what (some) know about Robert E Lee and US war of Northern Aggression:
    (listen up, Corvinus)

    Ford: The war is winding down little by little. Assad has won and he will stay [in power]. He may never be held accountable, and Iran will be in Syria to stay. This is the new reality that we have to accept, and there isn’t much we can do about it.

    Q: So you’re saying the rebels have basically lost and have no chance of coming back?

    Ford: Unless the foreign governments that in the past have backed elements of the Free Syrian Army are prepared to send money, weapons – including surface-to-air missiles – and provide the kind of military advisers that the Syrian Democratic Forces are receiving against ISIL, it would be impossible [for the rebels] to defeat Assad and his Russian and Iranian allies. And even if those foreign governments did that, it would be a long war that probably ends in a stalemate instead of an Assad victory.

    First, USA is backing the Rebels, i.e. the Robert E Lee faction– those who would fragment Syria and assert the rights of smaller states against the centralized power of the whole –, against the legitimate government (i.e. Lincoln and “the Union, it must be preserved”)
    Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon is in Robert E Lee’s camp. In a March 2016 conversation with Aaron David “Combover” Miller, Ya’alon said,

    “The only way that we can live is to have a kind of federation. There is no other way to unify Syria. . . .[It's impossible] to unify Syria through Bashar Al Assad or someone else, leading Syria. No chance! Wishful thinking!
    [So] a kind of federation, we have already constrained Bashar Al Assad — he controls today only 30% of his former territory. That’s it. . . .
    [oops]
    So first of all, let’s find a way to have a kind of federation or whatever.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?406449-1/israeli-defense-minister-moshe-yaalon-remarks&start=2461

    Based on the ADL’s and JDL’s activities in Charlottesville, one assumes that these Israel-firsters are not singing from the same hymnal, unless, of course, their doxology is “divide abroad to fragment power; centralize in USA because that unbridled power will protect us.”

    The only possibility Ford sees is more and heavier armaments to the Rebels; Ford does not, repeat does NOT suggest a Shermanesque scorched-earth action.

    In any event, Ford still does not think the Rebels could prevail but only that a stalemate would ensue — the situation Sherman perceived when he & Lincoln decided to kill civilians to achieve “victory.”

    Therefore, Ford counsels:

    Q: Is that why we see regional pressure on the Syrian opposition to offer concessions on Assad’s future in government?

    In other words, negotiate.

    ( to Corvinus — demanding Unconditional Surrender is not a negotiation, it is an ultimatum. In a stalemate, negotiating with the purpose of gaining some of what you desire in a peace that will ensue upon cessation of hostilities, is what wise and civilized people do.)

    It’s an acknowledgment that the military situation is strongly in favour of Assad, Russia and the Iranians, and that it is impossible to roll it back.

    This is where the comparison gets really fun:

    Q: How will a more confident Assad operate in Syria?

    Ford: The Syrian government cannot and will not accept local administrations or decentralisation, despite the fact that the Russians keep talking about it. I never met a Baathist in the Arab world who liked the idea of decentralisation, not in Iraq, not in Algeria, not in Syria.

    and not in Lincoln’s Washington, DC.

    Q: So if they won’t accept decentralisation or federalism, what changes do you see the regime accepting?

    Ford: Maybe they change the prime minister or a few cabinet ministers and claim it is reform. But will they change the elements of the security state? Of course not.

    Did Lincoln change the elements of the security state? Of course not.

    In a Nov. 4, 1866 letter to Robert E Lee, Lord John-Dahlberg Acton, a close friend and counselor to William Gladstone, wrote:

    I saw in State Rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will, and secession filled me with hope, not as the destruction but as the redemption of Democracy.

    The institutions of your Republic have not exercised on the old world the salutary and liberating influence which ought to have belonged to them, by reason of those defects and abuses of principle which the Confederate Constitution was expressly and wisely calculated to remedy.

    I believed that the example of that great Reform would have blessed all the races of mankind by establishing true freedom purged of the native dangers and disorders of Republics. Therefore I deemed that you were fighting the battles of our liberty, our progress, and our civilization; and I mourn for the stake which was lost at Richmond more deeply than I rejoice over that which was saved at Waterloo.

    Lee replied on Dec. 15, 1866:

    I yet believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people, not only essential to the adjustment and balance of the general system, but the safeguard to the continuance of a free government. I consider it as the chief source of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it.

    Lincoln set the “Great experiment” back 300 years.
    Sherman set a precedent that has only been magnified as it rampages throughout the world killing innocents in the name of “victory.”

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  91. Didi says:

    Nice try to detract from the threats of our President. Does not work with me.

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  92. moi says:
    @richard vajs
    Putin may be a wuss, but he is well tempered wuss, and one highly respected by his own Russian constituents. Therefore, he can be more objective. And what a disaster that would be for the Zionists - to have a confident, honest judge presiding over the Mid East affairs. Especially a judge who can readily see that Mid East peace depends upon justice being done for the Palestinians. Justice for Palestinians ? - What a disaster for the free-loaders seizing everything not nailed down in the West Bank.
    No wonder, Putin is hated so intensely by the Israeli-First crowd - he represents a potential block to the Israeli land-grab. All of the Zionists and their paid stooges like the main stream media, the bought and paid for DLC, and the Clintons are answering the clarion call to attack and smear Putin and the Russians before something disastrous happens to Israeli expansion. Putin and the Russians must keep their honest noses out of a cozy American/Israeli arrangement.

    From what I understand, Putin has met with Bibi several times and the two get along quite well.

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    Russia is kicking ISIS ass aka Israeli Secret Intelligence Service in Syria ie action speaks louder than words and as Teddy Roosevelt said , speak softly and carry a big stick.
  93. @richard vajs
    Putin may be a wuss, but he is well tempered wuss, and one highly respected by his own Russian constituents. Therefore, he can be more objective. And what a disaster that would be for the Zionists - to have a confident, honest judge presiding over the Mid East affairs. Especially a judge who can readily see that Mid East peace depends upon justice being done for the Palestinians. Justice for Palestinians ? - What a disaster for the free-loaders seizing everything not nailed down in the West Bank.
    No wonder, Putin is hated so intensely by the Israeli-First crowd - he represents a potential block to the Israeli land-grab. All of the Zionists and their paid stooges like the main stream media, the bought and paid for DLC, and the Clintons are answering the clarion call to attack and smear Putin and the Russians before something disastrous happens to Israeli expansion. Putin and the Russians must keep their honest noses out of a cozy American/Israeli arrangement.

    Agree, and Putin is a Christian and rebuilt a number of churches that Stalin and the Bolsheviks had blown up including Christ The Savior church in Moscow. Zionist Israel is in control of America and the Zionists worship satan and are in the process of destroying America.

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  94. rta says:

    When is Kissinger going to die? I need to mark my calendar so I can celebrate. Still waiting on McCain, cheney……….

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  95. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    what was been the trend of German median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment 1933-1943? Little else matters as much.

    and yet, as soon as those promises were made to the German people, to lead them to a period of improved " median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment," Jews set out to destroy their economy, stating publicly the intent to "bring Germany to its knees;" and to "destroy export trade upon which Germany's existence depends" (i.e. it was an existential threat).

    If Little else matters as much as the trend of . . . median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment, and if we know that nations with stable median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment are less likely to engage in disagreeable acts and more likely to relate peacefully with their neighbors, then why does the Jewish-led US Treasury dept. take such strenuous efforts to economically cripple so many nation-states in the world?

    You know the reasons as well as I do. Shirer writes of the period 1933-1937:

    LIFE IN THE THIRD REICH: 1933-37
    It was at this time, in the late summer of 1934, that I came to live and work in the Third Reich. There was much that impressed, puzzled and troubled a foreign observer about the new Germany. The overwhelming majority of Germans did not seem to mind that their personal freedom had been taken away, that so much of their culture had been destroyed and replaced with a mindless barbarism, or that their life and work had become regimented to a degree never before experienced even by a people accustomed for generations to a great deal of regimentation.

    In the background, to be sure, there lurked the terror of the Gestapo and the fear of the concentration camp for those who got out of line or who had been Communists or Socialists or too liberal or too pacifist, or who were Jews. The Blood Purge of June 30, 1934, was a warning of how ruthless the new leaders could be. Yet the Nazi terror in the early years affected the lives of relatively few Germans and a newly arrived observer was somewhat surprised to see that the people of this country did not seem to feel that they were being cowed and held down by an unscrupulous and brutal dictatorship.

    Hitler, contemptuous and rejective of free-markets capitalism, set Germany on a path of autarky, massive deficit spending with 60% of public spending geared towards armaments. This was central command economics, which he gave expression to on several occasions including the clearest, just after ascending to power: There is no license any more, no private sphere where the individual belongs to himself. That is socialism, not such trivial matters as the possibility of privately owning the means of production. Such things mean nothing if I subject people to a kind of discipline they can’t escape…What need have we to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings

    This policy was to continue until July 1944 when during a speech from Berchtesgaden he reflected the very same sentiments but included an assertion that private industry would miraculously embrace these socialistic principles and emerge resplendent and profitable!

    Hjalmar Schacht engaged in more than a few highly dubious schemes to lever up Hitler’s command economy. He concealed from national accounts through the use of Metallurgische Forschungsgesellschaft or MEFO bills, a means to finance the deficit without directly using Reichsmarks. Banks were then compelled to purchase government bonds, all ballooning the deficit to more than 39 billion marks vs. a 92.2 b gdp in 1939. You can do the maths and decide if such a deficit is sustainable, particularly for an economy so geared to exports and not in possession of public and private assets which might endow it with a principal reserve currency. In fact, sustain it did not, and repayment of maturing bonds were often satisfied by raiding private savings accounts and insurance company reserves!

    Of course we disagree on what Hitler’s motives for the larger European theatre were, yet while I’ll even agree he envisioned, at least during a brief early window, what any leader might for the economic lot of his citizens, his sequential and rapacious actions on European states over the same period and beyond, leave little doubt that economic progress of the ordinary German was rapidly relegated to a distant third or fourth compared to his military ambitions.

    Kristallnacht, Nov 1938, taken together with his Struggle, written in plain if untidy form, left no vacillations in the minds of HM government and her allies as to what they were faced with. Once again, this reduces to a straightforward understanding of statecraft; something which ought to have troubled AH, in that he was taking on an adversary far superior in the foregoing subject, as well as in arms.

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    Shirer history 1933-1937? Uh... gosh dern it. There he goes again!

    The Hasbara Cowboy once again rides herd and tries to take attention away from Mr. Giraldi's roundup of outlaws like Bibi Netanyahu.

    Repent.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Sam, I've got to rip up a subfloor in preparation for a new installation tomorrow, so I can't spend time on your comment (nor, yet, on your earlier response re "Nazi -- virus").

    But this smacked me upside the head:

    Banks were then compelled to purchase government bonds, all ballooning the deficit to more than 39 billion marks vs. a 92.2 b gdp in 1939. You can do the maths and decide if such a deficit is sustainable
     
    Little old me, what do I know about high finance and the workings of central banks and all, but it seems to me the Fed engages in something very much like the "ballooning the deficit" gambit, to the point that USA now has a -- what is it, I'm not able to check the Debt clock just now -- $20 trillion deficit? "You can do the maths and decide if such a deficit is sustainable."

    In any event, and it being the case that Germany was engaging in these dodgy (but successful) financing strategies in an attempt to stabilize its economy after 15 years of chaos,
    Why did Jews take the first opportunity to attempt to perpetuate the destabilized German economy?

    That question is critically important, inasmuch as:
    a. Jews had been an important part of German economy, political life etc. for many years pre-1933; -- for example, Bleichroder was Bismarck's banker, and Ruppin set up the zionist colony in Palestine on the model of German institutions where he was educated.

    b. In other words, the interrelationship between Jews and Germans in Germany, for about 700 years but intensely from the time of the FrancoPrussian war and German unification, was as close, and as beneficial to Jews, as is the involvement of Jews in the US political & financial systems.

    c. Americans don't realize how much their economy is approaching Weimar-type hyperinflation, but the $20 trillion debt is not a fantasy, it's real.

    d. Should the American people manage to wrest control of their dollar and disenfranchise the Federal Reserve system, how can we be assured that Jews (and some others, to be sure) will not attempt to strangle some new, American, non-fiat-based financial system, the way Jews set out to destroy the German attempt at stabilizing their economy?
    , @SolontoCroesus
    just read a few more lines.


    so sad.

    a smart guy like you hold yourself out to be and the best you can muster is Shirer and "Hitler stole my homework."

    (this on top of "Hitler = virus because Hungary in the 1700s" .
    You sh*&%$ng me Sam? Hungary in 1765??? Is there an emoticon for horselaugh?)

    you're becoming pathetic, Sam.

    back to the hammer & chisel.
  96. @moi
    From what I understand, Putin has met with Bibi several times and the two get along quite well.

    Russia is kicking ISIS ass aka Israeli Secret Intelligence Service in Syria ie action speaks louder than words and as Teddy Roosevelt said , speak softly and carry a big stick.

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    • Replies: @Bogart
    Because the Russians are just providing some of the high value military and intelligence support while the Assad Supporters (Including the 10% Christian portion of the population) are doing the hard work. And Because the (Insane, mean, genocidal and fanatical) "Moderate" Syrian Rebels are sandwiched between Russian Support Syrian Armies and Iran Supported Syrian Armies.

    What is really ironic is that as the Assad armies have retaken territory, refugees have returned. I am sure that this has not gone unnoticed in London and the capitals of Eastern Europe.
    , @Desert Fox
    Well it certainly is not going unnoticed in the Zionist neocon controlled Pentagram, the satanists are getting their ass handed to them.

    This reply is to Bogart.

  97. MarkinLA says:
    @El Dato
    Well, it still takes some time to work through the whole process, refine the Uranium, build a gun-type bomb and a working missile to stick it on etc.

    Iran has given up on this circus in 2004 or so.

    Yes, but the issue was that “if” Iran got one as though Iran had no capability to get one on their own such as Israel which needed to steal their uranium. This is why our sanctions and saber-rattling are so stupid. We can’t stop an Iran who wants to build a bomb unless we go to war with them.

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  98. hyperbola says:
    @Priss Factor
    Venezuela's ongoing crisis is not driven by political ideology - it is not a battle of socialism versus capitalism or dictatorship versus democracy - it is the result of two centers of political power possessing opposing interests and colliding geopolitically. ....
    The Opposition is Pro-Washington, Not "Pro-Democracy"

    Yes, US has a hand in the current crisis BUT Venezuela's diversity + corruption + crony socialism + Chavezian culture of 'gibs me free stuff' + over-reliance on oil money + scapegoating all problems on foreigners + hubris = the current mess.

    Chavez could have been a good leader. But he failed for the same reason his chosen arch-enemy Bush II did. Hubris. Bush II was gonna be Liberator of the Middle East. He was gonna provide homes for all Negroes and Browns. How did that turn out?
    In the case of Chavez, Venezuela would be the center of Bolivarian Revolution all throughout Latin America. Venezuela, overflowing with oil cash, would support Cuba and fund revolutions and remake Latin America. How did that turn out?

    Chavez was right to complain about US influence. He was right to attempt to change things to make for a fairer society more mindful of the needs of the masses. But he just talked big and spoiled the masses with free gibs as long as the oil prices were high. And his ego was too focused on playing World Politics to focus on problems at home. He did nothing about crime. He was acting like Gaddafi in the 80s when his ambitions overstepped Libya's capacity.

    Maduro isn't as reckless but he inherited the mess, and he's caught in a bind.

    True, US is circling like a vulture, but this mess was largely created internally.

    China has more sober and cautious leaders and avoided craziness like this.

    I misunderstood your original comment. Chavez (and now Maduro) probably faced an impossible job: re-do Valenzuela’s economy to get it off the almost exclusively “oil-teat” that serves an oligarchy well but ends up destroying many countries.

    The comparison with Gaddafi in the 1980s is interesting. Of course, Gaddafi got taken down by the powers that be when he later tried in a much less flamboyant way to look after his own country.

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  99. @Robert Lee
    Anyone notice this little point .....

    Trump reveals 'top secret intelligence' to high Russian officials 'to make his point' in a meeting, and is hammered for it in the corporate pro-war media and threatened with impeachment for doing so.

    Netanyaaaahooooo reveals 'top secret intelligence' to high Russian officials 'to make his point' and this becomes a talking point in the corporate pro-war media that shows how serious the situation is and becomes a part of the case for wasting $Trillions more and getting more American kids killed in yet another America-Last War.

    Sorry Robert Lee, but you’re gonna have to change your name.

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  100. @El Dato
    Well, it still takes some time to work through the whole process, refine the Uranium, build a gun-type bomb and a working missile to stick it on etc.

    Iran has given up on this circus in 2004 or so.

    They could ask N. Korea for assistance.

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  101. Wally says:
    @Michael Kenny
    Trump needs a victory. He tried to pick a fight with China. He had to back down. Ditto with North Korea. His Afghanistan surge will fizzle out: state parties always lose guerilla wars. Iran could be next on the list as Trump slowly "slouches" towards the only war he can win and which will do him any good: the "war on Putin". The first step in that will probably be a re-igniting of the war in Syria. Putin has bogged himself down there and is totally trapped. The US can lower the boom on him at any time. An (unwinnable) guerilla war, attacking the Russian bases and Russian military personnel, would probably be the most effective.

    Trump’s Afghan surge?

    Spare us, it was racist Obama who did the serious ‘surging’.

    I see you’re still clinging to the laughable Putin – Russian collusion canard.
    But then you did vote for Hillary / Obama 3.

    BTW, under Trump:

    US revised second-quarter GDP up 3.0% vs 2.7% rise expected

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/30/us-revised-second-quarter-gdp.html

    President Trump Has Now Signed 40 Pieces Of Legislation As He Moves To Enact His Agenda

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/25/president-trump-has-now-signed-40-pieces-of-legislation-as-he-moves-to-enact-his-agenda/

    President Trump Eliminates 860 Obama-Era Federal Regulations

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/21/great-again-trump-eliminates-860-obama-era-federal-regulations/

    [MORE]

    In First 2 Months in Office – Trump Reduces Debt by $100 Billion – Obama Increased Debt by $400 Billion – Half a Trillion Dollar Difference!

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/355719/

    and of course:

    Jews created fake Jewish graves

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10337

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Israel’s Dirty Little Secret
    How it drives US policies exploiting a spineless Congress and White House

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-dirty-little-secret/

    How to Bring Down the Elephant in the Room

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/how-to-bring-down-the-elephant-in-the-room/

    Israeli occupied territories

    ‘Join the US army, Fight for Israel

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    • Replies: @Anon
    How is Obama "racist"?

    More projection. Textbook.
  102. @Sam Shama
    You know the reasons as well as I do. Shirer writes of the period 1933-1937:

    LIFE IN THE THIRD REICH: 1933-37
    It was at this time, in the late summer of 1934, that I came to live and work in the Third Reich. There was much that impressed, puzzled and troubled a foreign observer about the new Germany. The overwhelming majority of Germans did not seem to mind that their personal freedom had been taken away, that so much of their culture had been destroyed and replaced with a mindless barbarism, or that their life and work had become regimented to a degree never before experienced even by a people accustomed for generations to a great deal of regimentation.

    In the background, to be sure, there lurked the terror of the Gestapo and the fear of the concentration camp for those who got out of line or who had been Communists or Socialists or too liberal or too pacifist, or who were Jews. The Blood Purge of June 30, 1934, was a warning of how ruthless the new leaders could be. Yet the Nazi terror in the early years affected the lives of relatively few Germans and a newly arrived observer was somewhat surprised to see that the people of this country did not seem to feel that they were being cowed and held down by an unscrupulous and brutal dictatorship.
     

    Hitler, contemptuous and rejective of free-markets capitalism, set Germany on a path of autarky, massive deficit spending with 60% of public spending geared towards armaments. This was central command economics, which he gave expression to on several occasions including the clearest, just after ascending to power: There is no license any more, no private sphere where the individual belongs to himself. That is socialism, not such trivial matters as the possibility of privately owning the means of production. Such things mean nothing if I subject people to a kind of discipline they can't escape...What need have we to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings

    This policy was to continue until July 1944 when during a speech from Berchtesgaden he reflected the very same sentiments but included an assertion that private industry would miraculously embrace these socialistic principles and emerge resplendent and profitable!

    Hjalmar Schacht engaged in more than a few highly dubious schemes to lever up Hitler's command economy. He concealed from national accounts through the use of Metallurgische Forschungsgesellschaft or MEFO bills, a means to finance the deficit without directly using Reichsmarks. Banks were then compelled to purchase government bonds, all ballooning the deficit to more than 39 billion marks vs. a 92.2 b gdp in 1939. You can do the maths and decide if such a deficit is sustainable, particularly for an economy so geared to exports and not in possession of public and private assets which might endow it with a principal reserve currency. In fact, sustain it did not, and repayment of maturing bonds were often satisfied by raiding private savings accounts and insurance company reserves!

    Of course we disagree on what Hitler's motives for the larger European theatre were, yet while I'll even agree he envisioned, at least during a brief early window, what any leader might for the economic lot of his citizens, his sequential and rapacious actions on European states over the same period and beyond, leave little doubt that economic progress of the ordinary German was rapidly relegated to a distant third or fourth compared to his military ambitions.

    Kristallnacht, Nov 1938, taken together with his Struggle, written in plain if untidy form, left no vacillations in the minds of HM government and her allies as to what they were faced with. Once again, this reduces to a straightforward understanding of statecraft; something which ought to have troubled AH, in that he was taking on an adversary far superior in the foregoing subject, as well as in arms.

    Shirer history 1933-1937? Uh… gosh dern it. There he goes again!

    The Hasbara Cowboy once again rides herd and tries to take attention away from Mr. Giraldi’s roundup of outlaws like Bibi Netanyahu.

    Repent.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    He was responding to SolontoCroesus's post that asked the question on Germany during the 1933- period. You are too quick to judge.
  103. @Sam Shama
    You know the reasons as well as I do. Shirer writes of the period 1933-1937:

    LIFE IN THE THIRD REICH: 1933-37
    It was at this time, in the late summer of 1934, that I came to live and work in the Third Reich. There was much that impressed, puzzled and troubled a foreign observer about the new Germany. The overwhelming majority of Germans did not seem to mind that their personal freedom had been taken away, that so much of their culture had been destroyed and replaced with a mindless barbarism, or that their life and work had become regimented to a degree never before experienced even by a people accustomed for generations to a great deal of regimentation.

    In the background, to be sure, there lurked the terror of the Gestapo and the fear of the concentration camp for those who got out of line or who had been Communists or Socialists or too liberal or too pacifist, or who were Jews. The Blood Purge of June 30, 1934, was a warning of how ruthless the new leaders could be. Yet the Nazi terror in the early years affected the lives of relatively few Germans and a newly arrived observer was somewhat surprised to see that the people of this country did not seem to feel that they were being cowed and held down by an unscrupulous and brutal dictatorship.
     

    Hitler, contemptuous and rejective of free-markets capitalism, set Germany on a path of autarky, massive deficit spending with 60% of public spending geared towards armaments. This was central command economics, which he gave expression to on several occasions including the clearest, just after ascending to power: There is no license any more, no private sphere where the individual belongs to himself. That is socialism, not such trivial matters as the possibility of privately owning the means of production. Such things mean nothing if I subject people to a kind of discipline they can't escape...What need have we to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings

    This policy was to continue until July 1944 when during a speech from Berchtesgaden he reflected the very same sentiments but included an assertion that private industry would miraculously embrace these socialistic principles and emerge resplendent and profitable!

    Hjalmar Schacht engaged in more than a few highly dubious schemes to lever up Hitler's command economy. He concealed from national accounts through the use of Metallurgische Forschungsgesellschaft or MEFO bills, a means to finance the deficit without directly using Reichsmarks. Banks were then compelled to purchase government bonds, all ballooning the deficit to more than 39 billion marks vs. a 92.2 b gdp in 1939. You can do the maths and decide if such a deficit is sustainable, particularly for an economy so geared to exports and not in possession of public and private assets which might endow it with a principal reserve currency. In fact, sustain it did not, and repayment of maturing bonds were often satisfied by raiding private savings accounts and insurance company reserves!

    Of course we disagree on what Hitler's motives for the larger European theatre were, yet while I'll even agree he envisioned, at least during a brief early window, what any leader might for the economic lot of his citizens, his sequential and rapacious actions on European states over the same period and beyond, leave little doubt that economic progress of the ordinary German was rapidly relegated to a distant third or fourth compared to his military ambitions.

    Kristallnacht, Nov 1938, taken together with his Struggle, written in plain if untidy form, left no vacillations in the minds of HM government and her allies as to what they were faced with. Once again, this reduces to a straightforward understanding of statecraft; something which ought to have troubled AH, in that he was taking on an adversary far superior in the foregoing subject, as well as in arms.

    Sam, I’ve got to rip up a subfloor in preparation for a new installation tomorrow, so I can’t spend time on your comment (nor, yet, on your earlier response re “Nazi — virus”).

    But this smacked me upside the head:

    Banks were then compelled to purchase government bonds, all ballooning the deficit to more than 39 billion marks vs. a 92.2 b gdp in 1939. You can do the maths and decide if such a deficit is sustainable

    Little old me, what do I know about high finance and the workings of central banks and all, but it seems to me the Fed engages in something very much like the “ballooning the deficit” gambit, to the point that USA now has a — what is it, I’m not able to check the Debt clock just now — $20 trillion deficit? “You can do the maths and decide if such a deficit is sustainable.”

    In any event, and it being the case that Germany was engaging in these dodgy (but successful) financing strategies in an attempt to stabilize its economy after 15 years of chaos,
    Why did Jews take the first opportunity to attempt to perpetuate the destabilized German economy?

    That question is critically important, inasmuch as:
    a. Jews had been an important part of German economy, political life etc. for many years pre-1933; — for example, Bleichroder was Bismarck’s banker, and Ruppin set up the zionist colony in Palestine on the model of German institutions where he was educated.

    b. In other words, the interrelationship between Jews and Germans in Germany, for about 700 years but intensely from the time of the FrancoPrussian war and German unification, was as close, and as beneficial to Jews, as is the involvement of Jews in the US political & financial systems.

    c. Americans don’t realize how much their economy is approaching Weimar-type hyperinflation, but the $20 trillion debt is not a fantasy, it’s real.

    d. Should the American people manage to wrest control of their dollar and disenfranchise the Federal Reserve system, how can we be assured that Jews (and some others, to be sure) will not attempt to strangle some new, American, non-fiat-based financial system, the way Jews set out to destroy the German attempt at stabilizing their economy?

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    [...], but it seems to me the Fed engages in something very much like the “ballooning the deficit” gambit, to the point that USA now has a — what is it, I’m not able to check the Debt clock just now — $20 trillion deficit?
     
    You are thinking of (a) the total federal stock of debt, which is about $20 tr : https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GFDEBTN

    U.S public account budget deficit [mismatch between govt revenues and expenditures] is 3.5% today, having recovered in a major way since 2008 on account of the coordinated actions of the Fed and Treasury to aid the U.S economy after 2009-10. Here is the deficit graph: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSGDA188S

    German public account deficit, on the other hand, was over 43% of yearly income or output. Furthermore, back in 1934-44, Schacht was compelling banks to directly purchase new IOUs from the government, and raiding private savings and insurance companies' reserves. In the case of the U.S. in recent years, Fed was buying existing U.S. Treasuries already in circulation from private accounts and crediting those accounts. So, it was not a direct finance at all of government deficit. Had they engaged in what is called "Helicopter drops" or directly buying government bonds from the Treasury [or, alternatively simply gifting $$ into private checking accounts] we might've had a comparison. That was not the case.

    Most important to note is what I said immediately following the portion you highlighted, where I wrote: [...]particularly for an economy so geared to exports and not in possession of public and private assets which might endow it with a principal reserve currency. Germany was not in a position to issue a reserve currency, yet her actions were such that the internal economy got unavoidably levered and thus vulnerable to sanctions which the British government instituted. Have you a bone to pick with that policy?


    That question is critically important, inasmuch as:
    a. Jews had been an important part of German economy, political life etc. for many years pre-1933; — for example, Bleichroder was Bismarck’s banker, and Ruppin set up the zionist colony in Palestine on the model of German institutions where he was educated.
     
    I agree that Jews greatly benefitted from the German educational system and everything else, including the Arts [my own family in Austria; I know the history], and were almost completely assimilated. Yet Hitler harboured a deep resentment of Jews and gave it expression, first, in Mein Kampf and then in his policies to, initially, send many packing to the Holy Land, with the aid of the Zionists, quickly followed by means more expedient and efficient.

    b. In other words, the interrelationship between Jews and Germans in Germany, for about 700 years but intensely from the time of the FrancoPrussian war and German unification, was as close, and as beneficial to Jews, as is the involvement of Jews in the US political & financial systems.
     
    I think there is an answer to that puzzlement, is there not? Why did they start thinking of leaving Germany and Europe? Incessant "wir mussen die juden aus rotten" from AH and his cronies have something to do with it?[Actually, German/Austrian Jews not so much at all, compared to East European Jewry]

    c. Americans don’t realize how much their economy is approaching Weimar-type hyperinflation, but the $20 trillion debt is not a fantasy, it’s real.
     

    Rank nonsense. U.S debt amounts to a year's worth of income. Hyperinflation? I don't think you understand what that means. 50%+ inflation per month, with something like 120000% annual inflation. It requires a complete destruction of productive capacity. I really don't think you can fathom a hyperinflationary episode !!! Current U.S. inflation per year is less than 1.5% and its bonds are the most valuable risk-free assets globally.

    [A side note: Come to think of it, Hyperinflation if indeed arrives, all mortgage holders should love it, since mortgages will be rendered worthless, perhaps the dream of mad hatters predicting it for at least a decade?]


    d. Should the American people manage to wrest control of their dollar and disenfranchise the Federal Reserve system, how can we be assured that Jews (and some others, to be sure) will not attempt to strangle some new, American, non-fiat-based financial system, the way Jews set out to destroy the German attempt at stabilizing their economy?
     
    Hahaha. Yes, I am familiar with this trope. Not going to happen for the simple reason that no matter their grievances, each American citizen knows it in their bones that life in the USSR would be a lot worse.
  104. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @ChuckOrloski
    Shirer history 1933-1937? Uh... gosh dern it. There he goes again!

    The Hasbara Cowboy once again rides herd and tries to take attention away from Mr. Giraldi's roundup of outlaws like Bibi Netanyahu.

    Repent.

    He was responding to SolontoCroesus’s post that asked the question on Germany during the 1933- period. You are too quick to judge.

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    My dear anonymous fellow,

    "Quick to judge," eh? Don't you know The Shammy gives me lots of practice here at The U.R.?

    A question just for the helluva it.

    Do you think young Attorney Arlen Specter took it REAL slow and scientific when he endorsed the Magic Bullet having hit JFK and Governor Connally?

    Selah.
  105. @Sam Shama
    You know the reasons as well as I do. Shirer writes of the period 1933-1937:

    LIFE IN THE THIRD REICH: 1933-37
    It was at this time, in the late summer of 1934, that I came to live and work in the Third Reich. There was much that impressed, puzzled and troubled a foreign observer about the new Germany. The overwhelming majority of Germans did not seem to mind that their personal freedom had been taken away, that so much of their culture had been destroyed and replaced with a mindless barbarism, or that their life and work had become regimented to a degree never before experienced even by a people accustomed for generations to a great deal of regimentation.

    In the background, to be sure, there lurked the terror of the Gestapo and the fear of the concentration camp for those who got out of line or who had been Communists or Socialists or too liberal or too pacifist, or who were Jews. The Blood Purge of June 30, 1934, was a warning of how ruthless the new leaders could be. Yet the Nazi terror in the early years affected the lives of relatively few Germans and a newly arrived observer was somewhat surprised to see that the people of this country did not seem to feel that they were being cowed and held down by an unscrupulous and brutal dictatorship.
     

    Hitler, contemptuous and rejective of free-markets capitalism, set Germany on a path of autarky, massive deficit spending with 60% of public spending geared towards armaments. This was central command economics, which he gave expression to on several occasions including the clearest, just after ascending to power: There is no license any more, no private sphere where the individual belongs to himself. That is socialism, not such trivial matters as the possibility of privately owning the means of production. Such things mean nothing if I subject people to a kind of discipline they can't escape...What need have we to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings

    This policy was to continue until July 1944 when during a speech from Berchtesgaden he reflected the very same sentiments but included an assertion that private industry would miraculously embrace these socialistic principles and emerge resplendent and profitable!

    Hjalmar Schacht engaged in more than a few highly dubious schemes to lever up Hitler's command economy. He concealed from national accounts through the use of Metallurgische Forschungsgesellschaft or MEFO bills, a means to finance the deficit without directly using Reichsmarks. Banks were then compelled to purchase government bonds, all ballooning the deficit to more than 39 billion marks vs. a 92.2 b gdp in 1939. You can do the maths and decide if such a deficit is sustainable, particularly for an economy so geared to exports and not in possession of public and private assets which might endow it with a principal reserve currency. In fact, sustain it did not, and repayment of maturing bonds were often satisfied by raiding private savings accounts and insurance company reserves!

    Of course we disagree on what Hitler's motives for the larger European theatre were, yet while I'll even agree he envisioned, at least during a brief early window, what any leader might for the economic lot of his citizens, his sequential and rapacious actions on European states over the same period and beyond, leave little doubt that economic progress of the ordinary German was rapidly relegated to a distant third or fourth compared to his military ambitions.

    Kristallnacht, Nov 1938, taken together with his Struggle, written in plain if untidy form, left no vacillations in the minds of HM government and her allies as to what they were faced with. Once again, this reduces to a straightforward understanding of statecraft; something which ought to have troubled AH, in that he was taking on an adversary far superior in the foregoing subject, as well as in arms.

    just read a few more lines.

    so sad.

    a smart guy like you hold yourself out to be and the best you can muster is Shirer and “Hitler stole my homework.”

    (this on top of “Hitler = virus because Hungary in the 1700s” .
    You sh*&%$ng me Sam? Hungary in 1765??? Is there an emoticon for horselaugh?)

    you’re becoming pathetic, Sam.

    back to the hammer & chisel.

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    You'll probably need that hammer and chisel if you persist in trying to get through to Sham.
    , @Corvinus
    The comparison you make between the Syrian and American situation in that negotiations ought to have occurred because the is moot, considering the situations are markedly different in their causes and in their competing assessments by outsiders.

    "Sherman set a precedent that has only been magnified as it rampages throughout the world killing innocents in the name of “victory.”"

    Sherman set no precedent, he merely extended the courtesies of war as conducted by ancient civilizations and European powers.

    Assad and the South each engaged in tyrannical conduct which resulted in citizens opposing that tyranny by taking up arms. The justification? Moral imperative. However, in war, as has been demonstrated repeatedly throughout human history, it is our nature to create and destroy, so the gloves come off. Just War Theory? Nice and tidy. But war is nasty, and that is our reality. Not surprisingly, outsiders either during the conflict or after the fact put their own spin on the narrative by claiming the "rebels can't win" and thus "negotiations ought to have been employed". Sounds logical and reasonable.

    Except, there is this thing called persistency. Rebels generally remain dedicated to advancing their cause against their fellow countrymen, regardless of the perceived odds to achieve victory. In the case of the American Civil War, there was no impending “stalemate”, as the Union armies were gaining territorial ground and the Confederacy was being slowly strangled by the naval blockade. The South, despite being on the verge of collapse, was steadfast in their desire to maintain their pride and dignity in the face of adversity.

    However, the Confederacy had every opportunity to surrender. There need not be any effort by the North to offer concessions, for the South was other than repentant in their attitudes and actions. The negotiations had taken already taken place--the decision was left to the South to abolish slavery and acknowledge the sanctity of the union. They outright refused. Note Lee’s letters echoed the southern ultimatum that state’s rights usurp the authority of the federal government. In this vein, Lincoln and Sherman crafted a policy that, while vile, was designed to break the spirit of a group of people who had engaged in the absolutism of the sovereign will--the protection of the “peculiar institution”. This strategy, while cruel, was predicated on purging the immoral action known as slavery once and for all from our land--since wise and civilized people do not place in perpetual bondage their fellow human beings. Consent, be damned!

    Civilian casualties in armed conflict is deplorable, especially when the trigger is pulled by their fellow citizens. As I made it abundantly clear in a past thread, it could be argued that Sherman committed a war crime. However, southern men, women, and children in non-combat zones were other than innocent, for they willfully supported a government that condoned slavery--a moral evil--and who supported the Confederacy--an illegitimate government--and who engaged as soldiers in war similar acts of aggression and violence as their northern counterparts. Take into account the myriad of premeditated, murderous offenses committed by southerners during the war. See Quantrill’s Raid. The Confederacy employed the same logic as Sherman. Are you vocal in your condemnation of their tactics, or just “Yankees”?
  106. @Anonymous
    He was responding to SolontoCroesus's post that asked the question on Germany during the 1933- period. You are too quick to judge.

    My dear anonymous fellow,

    “Quick to judge,” eh? Don’t you know The Shammy gives me lots of practice here at The U.R.?

    A question just for the helluva it.

    Do you think young Attorney Arlen Specter took it REAL slow and scientific when he endorsed the Magic Bullet having hit JFK and Governor Connally?

    Selah.

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  107. Bogart says:

    Putin must be laughing. Of course Netanyahu has only one card which is to get the US to do the fighting in a war with Iran. Israel can not withstand this nor can the other parts of the increasingly weak Middle East Power Cabal. Buy you ignored the biggest reason which is that if Israel gets into a shooting match with Iran all by itself, the price of oil to all of the Western Countries in both Europe and the Far East will shoot up quickly making these same countries even more dependent on Russian Petrol and Gas thus blowing the lid off of not only the Middle East but putting a bigger rift between the US and Europeans. This of course will be followed by massive numbers of refugees heading to Europe (The people of Europe, especially those in Eastern Europe are getting irritated at this. Some are getting to the point that it is more costly to be part of the EU).

    And the Europeans (Especially the English) are becoming very irritated (Read Impoverished) over having to sanction Russia and participate in providing homes to millions of (supposed) Refugees.

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  108. Bogart says:
    @DESERT FOX
    Russia is kicking ISIS ass aka Israeli Secret Intelligence Service in Syria ie action speaks louder than words and as Teddy Roosevelt said , speak softly and carry a big stick.

    Because the Russians are just providing some of the high value military and intelligence support while the Assad Supporters (Including the 10% Christian portion of the population) are doing the hard work. And Because the (Insane, mean, genocidal and fanatical) “Moderate” Syrian Rebels are sandwiched between Russian Support Syrian Armies and Iran Supported Syrian Armies.

    What is really ironic is that as the Assad armies have retaken territory, refugees have returned. I am sure that this has not gone unnoticed in London and the capitals of Eastern Europe.

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  109. iffen says:

    Was German Jew assimilation not more advanced in Germany than in any country save Hungary in pre WWII Europe? Why would German Jews want to destroy themselves economically?

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    Why would German Jews want to destroy themselves economically?
     
    German Jews did not want to destroy themselves economically.

    Jewish economic warfare against Germany was a scheme advanced by (predominantly) American zionist Jews in league with E. European zionist Jews in the zionist apparatus in Palestine and England; Rabbi Stephen Wise and banker/Democrat party boss and long-term supporter of Franklin Roosevelt were two of the economic warfare's most passionate proponents.

    In Stephen Wise's autobiography, "The Challenging Years," he records that German Jews sent him dozens of letters beseeching him and American zionists to call off their numerous provocations of the German government. Wise records that he soon "stopped opening their letters."
    German Jews circulated petitions which they presented to zionist leaders, to no effect.

    It should be understood that zionism was mostly a project of Eastern European Jews; as you say, German Jews were assimilated and prosperous in Germany. The Warburg banking family had registered their opposition to, i.e. Versailles treaty decisions, arguing that "the Germans are virile people; they should not be humiliated in this way."

    , @Art
    Was German Jew assimilation not more advanced

    This article is about Jews conning America into another very very serious war. It seems that the resident Jews have been able to divert attention away from that. An Iran war would be a disaster for us and the world. We must focus on that.

    Here are four Jews of different stripes, who want us to spill our blood and treasure on an Iran war.

    Ben Shirpiro - fake alt-right – wants an Iran war.

    Charles Krauthammer – Neocon – social liberal – wants an Iran war.

    Chuck Schumer – liberal – wants an Iran war.

    Mr. Sam – everyday Little Jew – wants an Iran war.

    Clearly all those Jews want a deadly evil war to occur - all for the benefit of their tribe and the foreign nation of Israel. America can go to hell.

    They are all evil – and must be accorded the status of enemy.

    Think Peace --- Art
  110. @DESERT FOX
    Russia is kicking ISIS ass aka Israeli Secret Intelligence Service in Syria ie action speaks louder than words and as Teddy Roosevelt said , speak softly and carry a big stick.

    Well it certainly is not going unnoticed in the Zionist neocon controlled Pentagram, the satanists are getting their ass handed to them.

    This reply is to Bogart.

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  111. @iffen
    Was German Jew assimilation not more advanced in Germany than in any country save Hungary in pre WWII Europe? Why would German Jews want to destroy themselves economically?

    Why would German Jews want to destroy themselves economically?

    German Jews did not want to destroy themselves economically.

    Jewish economic warfare against Germany was a scheme advanced by (predominantly) American zionist Jews in league with E. European zionist Jews in the zionist apparatus in Palestine and England; Rabbi Stephen Wise and banker/Democrat party boss and long-term supporter of Franklin Roosevelt were two of the economic warfare’s most passionate proponents.

    In Stephen Wise’s autobiography, “The Challenging Years,” he records that German Jews sent him dozens of letters beseeching him and American zionists to call off their numerous provocations of the German government. Wise records that he soon “stopped opening their letters.”
    German Jews circulated petitions which they presented to zionist leaders, to no effect.

    It should be understood that zionism was mostly a project of Eastern European Jews; as you say, German Jews were assimilated and prosperous in Germany. The Warburg banking family had registered their opposition to, i.e. Versailles treaty decisions, arguing that “the Germans are virile people; they should not be humiliated in this way.”

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    Your argument boils down to: Zionists created Hitler in order to create the Holocaust in order to create Israel. Why would they risk their position in many European countries where they were grossly overrepresented in the elite for some maybe project in Palestine?
    , @iffen
    Since you hold yourself to be the Jew/Nazi whiz, I would like your opinion on a counterfactual.

    If the Bavarian Soviet had been a success and we had ended up with German Soviets allied with Russian Soviets that combination would have been a handful. Considering that people of the Jewish persuasion were very much in positions of influence in all European socialist activities and organizations, they would have been in the catbird seat of Europe if not the world.

    “Moshe, do you want to stay here and rule the world or do you want to move to Palestine?”

    Therefore, it is obvious that the crushing of the Munich Soviet was done by Zionists who pinned the blame on the Freikorp. No?
  112. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    Trump's Afghan surge?

    Spare us, it was racist Obama who did the serious 'surging'.

    I see you're still clinging to the laughable Putin - Russian collusion canard.
    But then you did vote for Hillary / Obama 3.

    BTW, under Trump:

    US revised second-quarter GDP up 3.0% vs 2.7% rise expected
    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/30/us-revised-second-quarter-gdp.html

    President Trump Has Now Signed 40 Pieces Of Legislation As He Moves To Enact His Agenda
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/25/president-trump-has-now-signed-40-pieces-of-legislation-as-he-moves-to-enact-his-agenda/

    President Trump Eliminates 860 Obama-Era Federal Regulations
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/21/great-again-trump-eliminates-860-obama-era-federal-regulations/

    In First 2 Months in Office – Trump Reduces Debt by $100 Billion – Obama Increased Debt by $400 Billion – Half a Trillion Dollar Difference!
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/355719/

    and of course:

    Jews created fake Jewish graves
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10337

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Israel's Dirty Little Secret
    How it drives US policies exploiting a spineless Congress and White House
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-dirty-little-secret/

    How to Bring Down the Elephant in the Room
    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/how-to-bring-down-the-elephant-in-the-room/

    Israeli occupied territories
    https://codoh.com/media/files/cartoon24s.png

    'Join the US army, Fight for Israel
    http://68.media.tumblr.com/639563970a638b606f4adb0ef05c778b/tumblr_inline_o7t4eewwJn1r75mb5_500.jpg

    How is Obama “racist”?

    More projection. Textbook.

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    The only people in this world who aren't "racist" are idiot whites afraid of being called names. Obama clearly hates whites.
  113. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Sam, I've got to rip up a subfloor in preparation for a new installation tomorrow, so I can't spend time on your comment (nor, yet, on your earlier response re "Nazi -- virus").

    But this smacked me upside the head:

    Banks were then compelled to purchase government bonds, all ballooning the deficit to more than 39 billion marks vs. a 92.2 b gdp in 1939. You can do the maths and decide if such a deficit is sustainable
     
    Little old me, what do I know about high finance and the workings of central banks and all, but it seems to me the Fed engages in something very much like the "ballooning the deficit" gambit, to the point that USA now has a -- what is it, I'm not able to check the Debt clock just now -- $20 trillion deficit? "You can do the maths and decide if such a deficit is sustainable."

    In any event, and it being the case that Germany was engaging in these dodgy (but successful) financing strategies in an attempt to stabilize its economy after 15 years of chaos,
    Why did Jews take the first opportunity to attempt to perpetuate the destabilized German economy?

    That question is critically important, inasmuch as:
    a. Jews had been an important part of German economy, political life etc. for many years pre-1933; -- for example, Bleichroder was Bismarck's banker, and Ruppin set up the zionist colony in Palestine on the model of German institutions where he was educated.

    b. In other words, the interrelationship between Jews and Germans in Germany, for about 700 years but intensely from the time of the FrancoPrussian war and German unification, was as close, and as beneficial to Jews, as is the involvement of Jews in the US political & financial systems.

    c. Americans don't realize how much their economy is approaching Weimar-type hyperinflation, but the $20 trillion debt is not a fantasy, it's real.

    d. Should the American people manage to wrest control of their dollar and disenfranchise the Federal Reserve system, how can we be assured that Jews (and some others, to be sure) will not attempt to strangle some new, American, non-fiat-based financial system, the way Jews set out to destroy the German attempt at stabilizing their economy?

    [...], but it seems to me the Fed engages in something very much like the “ballooning the deficit” gambit, to the point that USA now has a — what is it, I’m not able to check the Debt clock just now — $20 trillion deficit?

    You are thinking of (a) the total federal stock of debt, which is about $20 tr : https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GFDEBTN

    U.S public account budget deficit [mismatch between govt revenues and expenditures] is 3.5% today, having recovered in a major way since 2008 on account of the coordinated actions of the Fed and Treasury to aid the U.S economy after 2009-10. Here is the deficit graph: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSGDA188S

    German public account deficit, on the other hand, was over 43% of yearly income or output. Furthermore, back in 1934-44, Schacht was compelling banks to directly purchase new IOUs from the government, and raiding private savings and insurance companies’ reserves. In the case of the U.S. in recent years, Fed was buying existing U.S. Treasuries already in circulation from private accounts and crediting those accounts. So, it was not a direct finance at all of government deficit. Had they engaged in what is called “Helicopter drops” or directly buying government bonds from the Treasury [or, alternatively simply gifting $$ into private checking accounts] we might’ve had a comparison. That was not the case.

    Most important to note is what I said immediately following the portion you highlighted, where I wrote: [...]particularly for an economy so geared to exports and not in possession of public and private assets which might endow it with a principal reserve currency. Germany was not in a position to issue a reserve currency, yet her actions were such that the internal economy got unavoidably levered and thus vulnerable to sanctions which the British government instituted. Have you a bone to pick with that policy?

    That question is critically important, inasmuch as:
    a. Jews had been an important part of German economy, political life etc. for many years pre-1933; — for example, Bleichroder was Bismarck’s banker, and Ruppin set up the zionist colony in Palestine on the model of German institutions where he was educated.

    I agree that Jews greatly benefitted from the German educational system and everything else, including the Arts [my own family in Austria; I know the history], and were almost completely assimilated. Yet Hitler harboured a deep resentment of Jews and gave it expression, first, in Mein Kampf and then in his policies to, initially, send many packing to the Holy Land, with the aid of the Zionists, quickly followed by means more expedient and efficient.

    b. In other words, the interrelationship between Jews and Germans in Germany, for about 700 years but intensely from the time of the FrancoPrussian war and German unification, was as close, and as beneficial to Jews, as is the involvement of Jews in the US political & financial systems.

    I think there is an answer to that puzzlement, is there not? Why did they start thinking of leaving Germany and Europe? Incessant “wir mussen die juden aus rotten” from AH and his cronies have something to do with it?[Actually, German/Austrian Jews not so much at all, compared to East European Jewry]

    c. Americans don’t realize how much their economy is approaching Weimar-type hyperinflation, but the $20 trillion debt is not a fantasy, it’s real.

    Rank nonsense. U.S debt amounts to a year’s worth of income. Hyperinflation? I don’t think you understand what that means. 50%+ inflation per month, with something like 120000% annual inflation. It requires a complete destruction of productive capacity. I really don’t think you can fathom a hyperinflationary episode !!! Current U.S. inflation per year is less than 1.5% and its bonds are the most valuable risk-free assets globally.

    [A side note: Come to think of it, Hyperinflation if indeed arrives, all mortgage holders should love it, since mortgages will be rendered worthless, perhaps the dream of mad hatters predicting it for at least a decade?]

    d. Should the American people manage to wrest control of their dollar and disenfranchise the Federal Reserve system, how can we be assured that Jews (and some others, to be sure) will not attempt to strangle some new, American, non-fiat-based financial system, the way Jews set out to destroy the German attempt at stabilizing their economy?

    Hahaha. Yes, I am familiar with this trope. Not going to happen for the simple reason that no matter their grievances, each American citizen knows it in their bones that life in the USSR would be a lot worse.

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    German public account deficit, on the other hand, was over 43% of yearly income or output. Furthermore, back in 1934-44

    Oh my - the diversion and misdirection campaign goes on and on - Hitler Hitler Hitler!

    Meanwhile the Jews are working to involve America in a war with Iran.

    What evil these Jews do!

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. Poor Mr. Sam, he is a brainstem savant Little Jew. He has no free will. Forgive him.

    p.s. NO more war for you and your tribe Mr Sam.
  114. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Why would German Jews want to destroy themselves economically?
     
    German Jews did not want to destroy themselves economically.

    Jewish economic warfare against Germany was a scheme advanced by (predominantly) American zionist Jews in league with E. European zionist Jews in the zionist apparatus in Palestine and England; Rabbi Stephen Wise and banker/Democrat party boss and long-term supporter of Franklin Roosevelt were two of the economic warfare's most passionate proponents.

    In Stephen Wise's autobiography, "The Challenging Years," he records that German Jews sent him dozens of letters beseeching him and American zionists to call off their numerous provocations of the German government. Wise records that he soon "stopped opening their letters."
    German Jews circulated petitions which they presented to zionist leaders, to no effect.

    It should be understood that zionism was mostly a project of Eastern European Jews; as you say, German Jews were assimilated and prosperous in Germany. The Warburg banking family had registered their opposition to, i.e. Versailles treaty decisions, arguing that "the Germans are virile people; they should not be humiliated in this way."

    Your argument boils down to: Zionists created Hitler in order to create the Holocaust in order to create Israel. Why would they risk their position in many European countries where they were grossly overrepresented in the elite for some maybe project in Palestine?

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    Wish I had written this succinct post. Great!
    , @SolontoCroesus
    suc·cinct

    adjective
    (especially of something written or spoken) briefly and clearly expressed.
    ===
    this definition suggests an emphasis on "brevity" but in this case, brevity comes at the expense of accuracy.

    tearing the succinct statement apart:


    1.

    Zionists created Hitler
     
    a. the focus on the solitary person of Hitler is ludicrous; AH scarcely acted alone, nor was he even such a massive driving force. The Jewish declaration of war on Germany refers to "Hitlerites."

    b. A Communist-made film from the Cold War era, Council of the gods (Der rat der Götter) discusses the corporations and their CEOs, including American corporations like Standard Oil, that were the main force in the Third Reich; in the film, Hitler is described as a mere spokesman, a gifted rhetorician able to rally the masses to the corporatist agenda.

    c. Also intriguing is the role of Ernst Hanfstaengel -- was he Hitler's handler? I suggest that FDR, or at least the Jews surrounding FDR, like Morgenthau and Frankfurter, selected and used -- or played -- Hitler in a fashion similar to the way USA used Saddam, and then destroyed him and his country.

    d. If "Hitler" had not arisen in Germany, what would have happened? Would Weimar have gone on for generations? Would Germans have allowed the perpetuation of their state of demoralization, impoverishment, cultural debasement? "Cometh the hour, cometh the man."
    Based on an exchange between C Bradley Thompson and Todd Lindberg,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oh6DmjQaho

    Weimar and the (many Jewish) ideologies bubbling within it, was wearing out. Leo Strauss was one of the ideologues active in Weimar; although his acolytes take pains to dismiss it, Strauss was ideologically allied with Carl Schmitt, political and legal scholar -- he wrote "Concept of the Political," -- and member of the National Socialist party.

    In summary, reductio ad Hitlerum is a ludicrous oversimplification of an era of extensive intellectual and ideological ferment to which very many persons and organizations contributed.

    2.

    in order to create the Holocaust
     
    a. In the sense that Lady Michelle Renouf explains, Yes: Jews created a holocaust of the German people:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPaCEFl-Zzg

    b. Perhaps 25 years before the rise of NSDAP, Theodore Herzl sought the then-emperor's blessing on an "exodus" of Jews from Germany to Palestine.
    "Exodus" is the word Herzl used.
    Recognize its significance: when the Hebrews left Egypt, they stole from- and slew their Egyptian former hosts. In just that fashion, Jews intended to, rather, were directed to, leave Germany, leaving destruction in their wake, or, alternatively, to remove the Jewish elite from what Brandeis expected would be a scene of destruction. (In a discussion in New York city in 2014, Gilad Atzmon described how the Jewish community created its elites -- mainly German and Austrian Jews -- while "Ost Juden" were generally denied the education and other investment required to allow them to become anything more than dull-normal intellects https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hWl8jq4zLI


    To be more precise, In early February, 1933, Louis Brandeis directed that "all Jews leave Germany." That exchange between Brandeis and Rabbi Stephen Wise is quoted from Wise's autobiography, "The Challenging Years" in Edwin Black's "The Transfer Agreement." Black offers several reasons for Brandeis's directive, the most prominent reason being that the Jewish settlement in Palestine was facing bankruptcy, and only German Jews had the kind of wealth required under the British quota system to migrate to Palestine.
    Furthermore, as noted in Atzmon's discussion, above, German Jews represented the investment of the Jewish community; they needed to be saved from the coming devastation (remember: this is 1933). Ost Juden were dispensable; indeed, it was Polish and Ukrainian Jews whose numbers were most severely reduced over the course of war. A series of comments by Michael Ledeen suggest that the destruction of less-accomplished Ost Juden was not a bug but a feature, consistent with Hebrew scripture. https://www.c-span.org/video/?123852-1/machiavelli-modern-leadership

    That is to say, to the extent that there was a holocaust of Jews, it was neither unforeseen nor unintended by the influential American, British & Palestine-based zionist Jews who were among the same group that worked so hard to provoke a war.


    3.

    in order to create Israel.
     
    That's not precisely accurate. While it is a fact that the "state of Israel" was declared by Ben Gurion in 1948, Israel had been a work-in-progress that showed significant development by 1910, by which time Arthur Ruppin had acquired major parcels of Palestinian real estate and had built Tel Aviv (in a fashion that would appeal to German Jews). By the onset of WWI, several aliyehs had taken place; Ruppin had defined the qualities for the "human material" that would form the "new Jew" who would populate Palestine. (see Etan Bloom: Arthur Ruppin and the Creation of Hebrew Culture in Palestine).

    In short, the notion that "Israel was created because of the holocaust" turns topsy-turvy an elementary test of chronological exactitude in addition to inverting a basic analysis of cause-and-effect.
    Besides, the concept we have come to know and luv that is termed "Holocaust" did not come into being until the mid- to late-1960s, according to Prof. David Engel (see "Understanding the Holocaust" ) .

    4.

    Why would they risk their position in many European countries where they were grossly overrepresented in the elite for some maybe project in Palestine?
     
    a. One of the major tenets of zionism was/is the Ingathering.

    In a speech in September, 1935, Vladimir Jabotinsky said:

    The new organization,* Jabotinsky asserted, will seek not only to build Palestine, but to liquidate the Diaspora. Declaring that the aim of the organization is “the high Zionism,” he explained that the “high Zionism” does not mean the solution of the Diaspora problem by the mere creation of a model state in Palestine, but by the liquidation of the Diaspora with a return of the Jews to their homeland.
    The Jewish State, he declared, is not the end but only the first step, the second being the return of the people, which will be the solution of the Jewish problem.
    http://www.jta.org/1935/09/09/archive/jabotinsky-scores-nazis-as-revisionist-congress-opens
     
    Mark Bruzonsky explained Jabotinsky's militant zionism in a 1980 op-ed in Washington Post:

    "It was [Vladimir] Jabotinsky who insisted that the entire Jewish Diaspora must be liquidated, that the entire Jewish "race" must return to its rightful homeland in Eretz Yisrael."
    "https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1980/11/16/the-mentor-who-shaped-begins-thinking-jabotinsky/ceac5816-9feb-4766-93bb-c8ac65c80680/?utm_term=.b062b866973e
     
    * Jabotinsky represented a 'new' version of zionism -- "Revisionist Zionism" -- that was greatly at odds with other forms of zionism, such as Labor zionism. Jabotinsky and Palestine- and US-based leaders of other forms of zionism were so much at odds that Vladimir was barred from Palestine. This and other conflicts -- including a basic conflict between those opposed to any form of zionism and pro-zionists-- prevailed throughout the Jewish community in the pre-war and war years.
    It should be noted that Benzion Netanyahu, Benjamin's father, was New York based aid to Jabotinsky and a fervent Revisionist Zionist. Bibi is a Jabotinskyite/Revisionist Zionist, with all that entails, which explains some of Bibi's forays such as urging French Jews to migrate to Israel.



    b. As has been argued elsewhere, German Jews preferred not to leave Germany (same goes for Italy and France). This is the theme of the film Ship of Fools.
    It seems reasonable to speculate that the numerous provocations American Jewish zionists aimed at Germany were intended to frighten German Jews to leave Germany, for Palestine and for other choice Western destinations, mostly in USA (I say "choice" because Jews largely rejected the offer of free land for 50,000 Jews in Dominican Republic).

    Because Western European Jews were loathe to leave their homes and positions among the elite, Palestine-based Jewish terror organizations created shepherding cadres, the Mossad el-Aliyeh bet, that worked in European states, if not in collaboration with Gestapo and the German government, at least with their direct knowledge, to incentivize and assist Jews to leave their European homes for Palestine, where the Mossad would aid them in breaking the British blockade. (see Francis Nicosia, "Zionism and Antisemitism in Nazi Germany").

    Mossad was very active in Germany in 1938. It is entirely plausible that the assassination of the German diplomat in Paris, and the ensuing mob violence called Night of Broken Glass, had at least a Charlottesville-like assist from Mossad -- one final push to destroy Jewish centers in Germany in order to frighten German Jews to flee.



    Succinct? No, the above is not succinct.
    Rather, detailed, because that is where the devil resides.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Some Jews have Israel as a priority while others have global domination as a priority and see Israel as a means to that end. In order to create a New World Order the old world order has to be destroyed just as a very good house might be torn down in order to build the "dream" house. This is very clearly laid out in the Protocols.

    What happened to Germany is now happening to the USA as per the plan. That some cannot see it is due to a lack of vision rather than it being non existent. Many American Jews will suffer and pay a very heavy price just as German Jews did. The end justifies the means. How could you not know this? A person doesn't have to be a Jew hater to not want this to happen and to be opposed to it, in fact one could actually be showing more regard for those Jews by working to prevent it.

  115. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    Your argument boils down to: Zionists created Hitler in order to create the Holocaust in order to create Israel. Why would they risk their position in many European countries where they were grossly overrepresented in the elite for some maybe project in Palestine?

    Wish I had written this succinct post. Great!

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  116. Realist says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Why do you assume he would want to?

    So he doesn’t sound like a fucking idiot…but of course he is.

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  117. William says:

    Israel may indeed start a war with Iran, but it could not do so without a supine U.S. congress willing to betray their country out of cowardice, vanity, ego, ambition, and utter lack of integrity. Never have so many U.S. officials been willing to betray their country. Any war with Iran would have to be fought with American money (tax payer money), armaments, and blood.
    I have the utmost contempt for the U.S. congress, traitors all.

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    Never have so many U.S. officials been willing to betray their country.
     
    I think that even the dumbest of them got the message on 9/11. The resistance is futile and will be very costly. And if you join them you will get some goodies.
    , @Miro23

    Israel may indeed start a war with Iran, but it could not do so without a supine U.S. congress willing to betray their country out of cowardice, vanity, ego, ambition, and utter lack of integrity. Never have so many U.S. officials been willing to betray their country. Any war with Iran would have to be fought with American money (tax payer money), armaments, and blood.
    I have the utmost contempt for the U.S. congress, traitors all.
     
    Some time ago, Zionist Anne Applebaum at the Washington Post mapped out how this would work, "Prepare for a War with Iran - In Case Israel Strikes" Feb 23rd 2010. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/22/AR2010022203528.html

    The general idea was that Iran would respond to Israeli bombing by attacking US assets (in which they could be assisted), and the US administration and Congress would do their duty, and patriotically join with Israel in destroying Iran.

    Like she said:


    If that ever happened, then the 2 a.m. phone call (Israel bombing Iran) would be followed by retaliation, some of which would be directed at us, our troops in Iraq, our ships at sea. I don't want this to happen -- but I do want us to be prepared if it does. ..... But I do hope that this administration is ready, militarily and psychologically, not for a war of choice but for an unwanted war of necessity. This is real life, after all, not Hollywood.
     
  118. Art says:
    @iffen
    Was German Jew assimilation not more advanced in Germany than in any country save Hungary in pre WWII Europe? Why would German Jews want to destroy themselves economically?

    Was German Jew assimilation not more advanced

    This article is about Jews conning America into another very very serious war. It seems that the resident Jews have been able to divert attention away from that. An Iran war would be a disaster for us and the world. We must focus on that.

    Here are four Jews of different stripes, who want us to spill our blood and treasure on an Iran war.

    Ben Shirpiro – fake alt-right – wants an Iran war.

    Charles Krauthammer – Neocon – social liberal – wants an Iran war.

    Chuck Schumer – liberal – wants an Iran war.

    Mr. Sam – everyday Little Jew – wants an Iran war.

    Clearly all those Jews want a deadly evil war to occur – all for the benefit of their tribe and the foreign nation of Israel. America can go to hell.

    They are all evil – and must be accorded the status of enemy.

    Think Peace — Art

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    Arts,

    America can go to hell.

    We are on our way in a handbasket, but that's a different subject.

    Sam doesn't want war with Iran, this is a, uh, a, what's the word I'm looking for: untruth.

    I guess this:

    There are six things that the LORD strongly dislikes, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
    — Proverbs 6:16–19

    or this:

    And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    — Matthew 19:16-19

    is not in your philosophical Bible.

  119. iffen says:
    @Art
    Was German Jew assimilation not more advanced

    This article is about Jews conning America into another very very serious war. It seems that the resident Jews have been able to divert attention away from that. An Iran war would be a disaster for us and the world. We must focus on that.

    Here are four Jews of different stripes, who want us to spill our blood and treasure on an Iran war.

    Ben Shirpiro - fake alt-right – wants an Iran war.

    Charles Krauthammer – Neocon – social liberal – wants an Iran war.

    Chuck Schumer – liberal – wants an Iran war.

    Mr. Sam – everyday Little Jew – wants an Iran war.

    Clearly all those Jews want a deadly evil war to occur - all for the benefit of their tribe and the foreign nation of Israel. America can go to hell.

    They are all evil – and must be accorded the status of enemy.

    Think Peace --- Art

    Arts,

    America can go to hell.

    We are on our way in a handbasket, but that’s a different subject.

    Sam doesn’t want war with Iran, this is a, uh, a, what’s the word I’m looking for: untruth.

    I guess this:

    There are six things that the LORD strongly dislikes, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
    — Proverbs 6:16–19

    or this:

    And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    — Matthew 19:16-19

    is not in your philosophical Bible.

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    Sam doesn’t want war with Iran, this is a, uh, a, what’s the word I’m looking for: untruth.

    He sure supports those who do want an Iran war.

    We can not afford to split hairs when it comes to the Jews - we cannot trust what they say in any given moment.

    He supports the bulk of the Jew agenda - that bulk includes wars for Israel fought by America.

    He is the enemy.

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. Fortunately for him we do not practice an “eye for an eye” like his tribe does – we are better people.
  120. @Anon
    How is Obama "racist"?

    More projection. Textbook.

    The only people in this world who aren’t “racist” are idiot whites afraid of being called names. Obama clearly hates whites.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Obama clearly hates whites.

    Do you think that he hated his Mom and the Grandmother who raised him?
  121. utu says:
    @William
    Israel may indeed start a war with Iran, but it could not do so without a supine U.S. congress willing to betray their country out of cowardice, vanity, ego, ambition, and utter lack of integrity. Never have so many U.S. officials been willing to betray their country. Any war with Iran would have to be fought with American money (tax payer money), armaments, and blood.
    I have the utmost contempt for the U.S. congress, traitors all.

    Never have so many U.S. officials been willing to betray their country.

    I think that even the dumbest of them got the message on 9/11. The resistance is futile and will be very costly. And if you join them you will get some goodies.

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  122. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Why would German Jews want to destroy themselves economically?
     
    German Jews did not want to destroy themselves economically.

    Jewish economic warfare against Germany was a scheme advanced by (predominantly) American zionist Jews in league with E. European zionist Jews in the zionist apparatus in Palestine and England; Rabbi Stephen Wise and banker/Democrat party boss and long-term supporter of Franklin Roosevelt were two of the economic warfare's most passionate proponents.

    In Stephen Wise's autobiography, "The Challenging Years," he records that German Jews sent him dozens of letters beseeching him and American zionists to call off their numerous provocations of the German government. Wise records that he soon "stopped opening their letters."
    German Jews circulated petitions which they presented to zionist leaders, to no effect.

    It should be understood that zionism was mostly a project of Eastern European Jews; as you say, German Jews were assimilated and prosperous in Germany. The Warburg banking family had registered their opposition to, i.e. Versailles treaty decisions, arguing that "the Germans are virile people; they should not be humiliated in this way."

    Since you hold yourself to be the Jew/Nazi whiz, I would like your opinion on a counterfactual.

    If the Bavarian Soviet had been a success and we had ended up with German Soviets allied with Russian Soviets that combination would have been a handful. Considering that people of the Jewish persuasion were very much in positions of influence in all European socialist activities and organizations, they would have been in the catbird seat of Europe if not the world.

    “Moshe, do you want to stay here and rule the world or do you want to move to Palestine?”

    Therefore, it is obvious that the crushing of the Munich Soviet was done by Zionists who pinned the blame on the Freikorp. No?

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    Therefore, it is obvious that the crushing of the Munich Soviet was done by Zionist

    Oh my -- is the future of the West to forever rehash the Jews of the thirties?

    Enough - this is a diversion away from the current day evils of the Jews.

    No more wars for Israel!

    Think Peace --- Art
  123. iffen says:
    @Chris Mallory
    The only people in this world who aren't "racist" are idiot whites afraid of being called names. Obama clearly hates whites.

    Obama clearly hates whites.

    Do you think that he hated his Mom and the Grandmother who raised him?

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    He should have.
    , @Chris Mallory
    He threw his grandmother under the bus the first chance he got. And yes, I would say he definitely had mommy issues, daddy issues too for that matter.
  124. Art says:
    @iffen
    Arts,

    America can go to hell.

    We are on our way in a handbasket, but that's a different subject.

    Sam doesn't want war with Iran, this is a, uh, a, what's the word I'm looking for: untruth.

    I guess this:

    There are six things that the LORD strongly dislikes, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
    — Proverbs 6:16–19

    or this:

    And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    — Matthew 19:16-19

    is not in your philosophical Bible.

    Sam doesn’t want war with Iran, this is a, uh, a, what’s the word I’m looking for: untruth.

    He sure supports those who do want an Iran war.

    We can not afford to split hairs when it comes to the Jews – we cannot trust what they say in any given moment.

    He supports the bulk of the Jew agenda – that bulk includes wars for Israel fought by America.

    He is the enemy.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. Fortunately for him we do not practice an “eye for an eye” like his tribe does – we are better people.

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  125. Art says:
    @iffen
    Since you hold yourself to be the Jew/Nazi whiz, I would like your opinion on a counterfactual.

    If the Bavarian Soviet had been a success and we had ended up with German Soviets allied with Russian Soviets that combination would have been a handful. Considering that people of the Jewish persuasion were very much in positions of influence in all European socialist activities and organizations, they would have been in the catbird seat of Europe if not the world.

    “Moshe, do you want to stay here and rule the world or do you want to move to Palestine?”

    Therefore, it is obvious that the crushing of the Munich Soviet was done by Zionists who pinned the blame on the Freikorp. No?

    Therefore, it is obvious that the crushing of the Munich Soviet was done by Zionist

    Oh my — is the future of the West to forever rehash the Jews of the thirties?

    Enough – this is a diversion away from the current day evils of the Jews.

    No more wars for Israel!

    Think Peace — Art

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    Apologies to you, Art; yes, it is tedious to rehash the 1930s and 1940s; and it is extremely important to address the topic of Phil's fine article -- war against Iran.

    I hammer (and chisel) away at the WWII era because I see a direct link between WWII and the passionately desired war against Iran:
    first, if we observe in real time how zionist Jews & their non-Jewish toadies lie, kill, steal TODAY wrt 9/11, Iraq, Syria, etc. ; how zionist Jews have lied, killed and stolen from the Palestinians for over a century; then are we to assume that zionist Jews were innocent as lambs from 1881 - 1948, the original kosher dindu muffins?

    Or is there a pattern -- the same behavioral characteristics observed in real time, and extending back in time through most of modern history?

    We can see how zionist Jews are carrying out that same pattern against Iran. Ronen Bergman made that direct connection http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982 when young Iranian nuclear scientist was assassinated in Tehran in 2012 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/11/iran-nuclear-scientist-killed --

    [Although the video and transcript are no longer available, based on my notes] Bergman said, "Israel has long used assassination against its enemies, more than any other state, more than Stalin and Hitler . . .“hoping that by taking out individuals, they can alter, change the course of history.” He said that "Israelis identify Iran's leaders as "Hitler," and once you say someone is Hitler, then it is moral to take out that (person/innocents/attack the whole nation)."

    Furthermore, Jews use the holocau$t like our militarized police use those high-tech shields; I think it's useful to strip that obnoxious defense tool out of their hands.

    So I whack away at kosher dindu muffins to demonstrate the spots on that particular leopard, so that we who are adamantly opposed to an attack on Iran can understand our adversary ("the Predator," as Lady Michelle Redouf calls them https://justice4germans.wordpress.com ) and in that way formulate strategies to disarm them and frustrate their schemes.

  126. Art says:
    @Sam Shama
    Perhaps we should contemplate the following: during this alleged period of Jewish takeover, decades in the making as you reckon it, what has been the trend of U.S. median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment? Little else matters as much.

    Perhaps we should contemplate the following: during this alleged period of Jewish takeover, decades in the making as you reckon it, what has been the trend of U.S. median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment? Little else matters as much.

    The Little Jew says “shut up Gentiles take what we give you.”

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. What the Jews have been giving us in the last 30 years, is less and less of the pie.

    p.s. As head of the Fed – Greenspan manipulated the economy so that Jews got more and we got less – PERIOD

    p.s. Little Jew – NO war with Iran.

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    p.s. What the Jews have been giving us in the last 30 years, is less and less of the pie.

    Sam denounces those running dogs and free booting capitalists squeezing us poor Ivans. Right Sam? Sam? Sam!
  127. iffen says:

    He sure supports those who do want an Iran war.

    Arts,

    Another untruth. He speaks to his own people against AIPAC. Hot pants for you.

    You mis-spelled bitter. I am surprised at y’all, being the Spelling Bees Chumps of the Century and all.

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    Another untruth. He speaks to his own people against AIPAC.

    Please -- Mr. Sam supports Israel - Israel wants war on Iran -- therefore Mr. Sam supports war on Iran.

    We must refuse to be manipulated with false misleading positions (Mr. Sam belongs in congress). The big picture is Jews want a war with Iran fought by America. Mr. Sam supports his fellow Jews - period.

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. My spelling skills are meager.
  128. iffen says:
    @Art

    Perhaps we should contemplate the following: during this alleged period of Jewish takeover, decades in the making as you reckon it, what has been the trend of U.S. median nominal and real per capita income and consumer sentiment? Little else matters as much.
     
    The Little Jew says "shut up Gentiles take what we give you."

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. What the Jews have been giving us in the last 30 years, is less and less of the pie.

    p.s. As head of the Fed - Greenspan manipulated the economy so that Jews got more and we got less - PERIOD

    p.s. Little Jew - NO war with Iran.

    p.s. What the Jews have been giving us in the last 30 years, is less and less of the pie.

    Sam denounces those running dogs and free booting capitalists squeezing us poor Ivans. Right Sam? Sam? Sam!

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Sorry, Iffen,
    work summoned me away, but of course, you are right! I have written of it often, and feel no compunction to repeat it as a compulsory chant for the brain damaged morons here. What I do to persuade AIPAC one way or another, is my quest, and not for the purpose of chest thumping here. For those whinging about my economic stance against the vast inequality of income and wealth in this country, do take a look at the archives if you so wish. Lastly, Of course I want no war with Iran, nor is there going to be one, if I am correct in my reckoning.
  129. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    [...], but it seems to me the Fed engages in something very much like the “ballooning the deficit” gambit, to the point that USA now has a — what is it, I’m not able to check the Debt clock just now — $20 trillion deficit?
     
    You are thinking of (a) the total federal stock of debt, which is about $20 tr : https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GFDEBTN

    U.S public account budget deficit [mismatch between govt revenues and expenditures] is 3.5% today, having recovered in a major way since 2008 on account of the coordinated actions of the Fed and Treasury to aid the U.S economy after 2009-10. Here is the deficit graph: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSGDA188S

    German public account deficit, on the other hand, was over 43% of yearly income or output. Furthermore, back in 1934-44, Schacht was compelling banks to directly purchase new IOUs from the government, and raiding private savings and insurance companies' reserves. In the case of the U.S. in recent years, Fed was buying existing U.S. Treasuries already in circulation from private accounts and crediting those accounts. So, it was not a direct finance at all of government deficit. Had they engaged in what is called "Helicopter drops" or directly buying government bonds from the Treasury [or, alternatively simply gifting $$ into private checking accounts] we might've had a comparison. That was not the case.

    Most important to note is what I said immediately following the portion you highlighted, where I wrote: [...]particularly for an economy so geared to exports and not in possession of public and private assets which might endow it with a principal reserve currency. Germany was not in a position to issue a reserve currency, yet her actions were such that the internal economy got unavoidably levered and thus vulnerable to sanctions which the British government instituted. Have you a bone to pick with that policy?


    That question is critically important, inasmuch as:
    a. Jews had been an important part of German economy, political life etc. for many years pre-1933; — for example, Bleichroder was Bismarck’s banker, and Ruppin set up the zionist colony in Palestine on the model of German institutions where he was educated.
     
    I agree that Jews greatly benefitted from the German educational system and everything else, including the Arts [my own family in Austria; I know the history], and were almost completely assimilated. Yet Hitler harboured a deep resentment of Jews and gave it expression, first, in Mein Kampf and then in his policies to, initially, send many packing to the Holy Land, with the aid of the Zionists, quickly followed by means more expedient and efficient.

    b. In other words, the interrelationship between Jews and Germans in Germany, for about 700 years but intensely from the time of the FrancoPrussian war and German unification, was as close, and as beneficial to Jews, as is the involvement of Jews in the US political & financial systems.
     
    I think there is an answer to that puzzlement, is there not? Why did they start thinking of leaving Germany and Europe? Incessant "wir mussen die juden aus rotten" from AH and his cronies have something to do with it?[Actually, German/Austrian Jews not so much at all, compared to East European Jewry]

    c. Americans don’t realize how much their economy is approaching Weimar-type hyperinflation, but the $20 trillion debt is not a fantasy, it’s real.
     

    Rank nonsense. U.S debt amounts to a year's worth of income. Hyperinflation? I don't think you understand what that means. 50%+ inflation per month, with something like 120000% annual inflation. It requires a complete destruction of productive capacity. I really don't think you can fathom a hyperinflationary episode !!! Current U.S. inflation per year is less than 1.5% and its bonds are the most valuable risk-free assets globally.

    [A side note: Come to think of it, Hyperinflation if indeed arrives, all mortgage holders should love it, since mortgages will be rendered worthless, perhaps the dream of mad hatters predicting it for at least a decade?]


    d. Should the American people manage to wrest control of their dollar and disenfranchise the Federal Reserve system, how can we be assured that Jews (and some others, to be sure) will not attempt to strangle some new, American, non-fiat-based financial system, the way Jews set out to destroy the German attempt at stabilizing their economy?
     
    Hahaha. Yes, I am familiar with this trope. Not going to happen for the simple reason that no matter their grievances, each American citizen knows it in their bones that life in the USSR would be a lot worse.

    German public account deficit, on the other hand, was over 43% of yearly income or output. Furthermore, back in 1934-44

    Oh my – the diversion and misdirection campaign goes on and on – Hitler Hitler Hitler!

    Meanwhile the Jews are working to involve America in a war with Iran.

    What evil these Jews do!

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. Poor Mr. Sam, he is a brainstem savant Little Jew. He has no free will. Forgive him.

    p.s. NO more war for you and your tribe Mr Sam.

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  130. Art says:
    @iffen
    He sure supports those who do want an Iran war.

    Arts,

    Another untruth. He speaks to his own people against AIPAC. Hot pants for you.

    You mis-spelled bitter. I am surprised at y'all, being the Spelling Bees Chumps of the Century and all.

    Another untruth. He speaks to his own people against AIPAC.

    Please — Mr. Sam supports Israel – Israel wants war on Iran — therefore Mr. Sam supports war on Iran.

    We must refuse to be manipulated with false misleading positions (Mr. Sam belongs in congress). The big picture is Jews want a war with Iran fought by America. Mr. Sam supports his fellow Jews – period.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. My spelling skills are meager.

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  131. geokat62 says:

    Sam doesn’t want war with Iran, this is… untruth.

    The more pertinent question is this: does AIPAC want war with Iran? Did they not also plump for war with Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Lebanon? Did they not also want to stir up strife between the ukro-nazis and Russia (see Cookie Monster, Victoria Nudelman, beloved spouse of neocon cofounder of PNAC, Robert Kaganovich)?

    Didn’t one of your Dearly Beloved Zionist Brethren (DBZB) readily admit he was automatically sending in his monthly contribution to AIPAC? Given he was a paying member, isn’t it likely he received a complimentary copy of AIPAC’s glossy briefing books, especially the one released back in 2000 that included these six countries – Iran, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Egypt – on the JS’s hit list?

    Wasn’t the policy to remake the MENA a clearly articulated goal of PNAC’s? Wasn’t this policy meant to result in the destruction of 7 countries in 5 years? Haven’t all these countries (except Iran) been attacked, already? Hasn’t this policy to remake the MENA resulted in the destruction of these countries, the death of over a million innocent people, the looting of the US treasury to the tune of over $6,000,000,000,000.00, and the filling of the vacuum by the terrorist organizations like ISIS and al-Qaeda?

    Didn’t you, yourself, endeavor to get your DBZB to explain his outrageous claim that Iraq represented an existential threat, not to the JS, but… wait for it, the US? Didn’t he commit to furnishing you with a response that supported this claim after that upcoming sabbath? Did you ever receive his response?

    You and your DBZB are very keen on accusing me of being an anti-Semite because I have the temerity to speak out with words about all the nefarious activities of The Lobby.

    But it hasn’t occurred to either of you that based on your DBZB’s actions – i.e., his steady contributions to The Lobby – he, along with other paying members (incl. xian Zionists), are responsible (in direct proportion to the amount he’s contributed) for the death and destruction that has transpired in MENA.

    So, my final question is this: why is it acceptable to label a goy an antisemite just because he chooses to utter words that condemn the actions of The Lobby, but it’s unacceptable to label your DBZB an anti-goyim even though through his actions he is responsible for opening the gates of hell and unleashing the dogs of war?

    If we use actions, and not words, as the criterion for determining who the real haters are, I think it’s fair to say that anti-goyism (see Gilad Atzmon’s The Wandering Who?) is a more prevalent threat to the world than anti-semitism.

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    If we use actions, and not words, as the criterion for determining who the real haters are, I think it’s fair to say that anti-goyism (see Gilad Atzmon’s The Wandering Who?) is a more prevalent threat to the world than anti-semitism.
     
    It's true that in the end, the actions are what count, but words have to prepare the way.

    It was Lenin who coined the term “Politically Correct”.

    Like he said, “The fundamental idea is clear: to bring forward a politically correct statute, which sets out the essence and justification of terror.” Letter to Kursii 17th May 1922

    It's a Bolshevik term for “correct views” used to justify the murder of opponents.
  132. @iffen
    Obama clearly hates whites.

    Do you think that he hated his Mom and the Grandmother who raised him?

    He should have.

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  133. @iffen
    Be sure to say that you are a constituent whichever means you use to contact him.

    It's okay to lie if God is on your side.

    Does not one fight fire with fire? Is it immoral to lie to defend oneself against the lies of a liar?

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  134. @KenH
    When Trump fired the tomahawk cruise missiles at Syria the (((media))) fell in love and it led to a 48hr bromance with war mongering Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham. Enemies temporarily became allies and his approval rating jumped about ten points.

    Given the positive reinforcement he received from the establishment/Deep State my fear is that he might think a war is an easy way to save his embattled presidency and keep his domestic enemies at bay. But as with all our wars there's unintended consequences which would ultimately destroy his presidency and his legacy much like it did to Dubya.

    Any potential legacy of Dubya’s was lost by the way he obtained his presidency.

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  135. @SolontoCroesus
    just read a few more lines.


    so sad.

    a smart guy like you hold yourself out to be and the best you can muster is Shirer and "Hitler stole my homework."

    (this on top of "Hitler = virus because Hungary in the 1700s" .
    You sh*&%$ng me Sam? Hungary in 1765??? Is there an emoticon for horselaugh?)

    you're becoming pathetic, Sam.

    back to the hammer & chisel.

    You’ll probably need that hammer and chisel if you persist in trying to get through to Sham.

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  136. @iffen
    Your argument boils down to: Zionists created Hitler in order to create the Holocaust in order to create Israel. Why would they risk their position in many European countries where they were grossly overrepresented in the elite for some maybe project in Palestine?

    suc·cinct

    adjective
    (especially of something written or spoken) briefly and clearly expressed.
    ===
    this definition suggests an emphasis on “brevity” but in this case, brevity comes at the expense of accuracy.

    tearing the succinct statement apart:

    1.

    Zionists created Hitler

    a. the focus on the solitary person of Hitler is ludicrous; AH scarcely acted alone, nor was he even such a massive driving force. The Jewish declaration of war on Germany refers to “Hitlerites.”

    b. A Communist-made film from the Cold War era, Council of the gods (Der rat der Götter) discusses the corporations and their CEOs, including American corporations like Standard Oil, that were the main force in the Third Reich; in the film, Hitler is described as a mere spokesman, a gifted rhetorician able to rally the masses to the corporatist agenda.

    c. Also intriguing is the role of Ernst Hanfstaengel — was he Hitler’s handler? I suggest that FDR, or at least the Jews surrounding FDR, like Morgenthau and Frankfurter, selected and used — or played — Hitler in a fashion similar to the way USA used Saddam, and then destroyed him and his country.

    d. If “Hitler” had not arisen in Germany, what would have happened? Would Weimar have gone on for generations? Would Germans have allowed the perpetuation of their state of demoralization, impoverishment, cultural debasement? “Cometh the hour, cometh the man.”
    Based on an exchange between C Bradley Thompson and Todd Lindberg,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oh6DmjQaho

    Weimar and the (many Jewish) ideologies bubbling within it, was wearing out. Leo Strauss was one of the ideologues active in Weimar; although his acolytes take pains to dismiss it, Strauss was ideologically allied with Carl Schmitt, political and legal scholar — he wrote “Concept of the Political,” — and member of the National Socialist party.

    In summary, reductio ad Hitlerum is a ludicrous oversimplification of an era of extensive intellectual and ideological ferment to which very many persons and organizations contributed.

    2.

    in order to create the Holocaust

    a. In the sense that Lady Michelle Renouf explains, Yes: Jews created a holocaust of the German people:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPaCEFl-Zzg

    b. Perhaps 25 years before the rise of NSDAP, Theodore Herzl sought the then-emperor’s blessing on an “exodus” of Jews from Germany to Palestine.
    “Exodus” is the word Herzl used.
    Recognize its significance: when the Hebrews left Egypt, they stole from- and slew their Egyptian former hosts. In just that fashion, Jews intended to, rather, were directed to, leave Germany, leaving destruction in their wake, or, alternatively, to remove the Jewish elite from what Brandeis expected would be a scene of destruction. (In a discussion in New York city in 2014, Gilad Atzmon described how the Jewish community created its elites — mainly German and Austrian Jews — while “Ost Juden” were generally denied the education and other investment required to allow them to become anything more than dull-normal intellects https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hWl8jq4zLI

    To be more precise, In early February, 1933, Louis Brandeis directed that “all Jews leave Germany.” That exchange between Brandeis and Rabbi Stephen Wise is quoted from Wise’s autobiography, “The Challenging Years” in Edwin Black’s “The Transfer Agreement.” Black offers several reasons for Brandeis’s directive, the most prominent reason being that the Jewish settlement in Palestine was facing bankruptcy, and only German Jews had the kind of wealth required under the British quota system to migrate to Palestine.
    Furthermore, as noted in Atzmon’s discussion, above, German Jews represented the investment of the Jewish community; they needed to be saved from the coming devastation (remember: this is 1933). Ost Juden were dispensable; indeed, it was Polish and Ukrainian Jews whose numbers were most severely reduced over the course of war. A series of comments by Michael Ledeen suggest that the destruction of less-accomplished Ost Juden was not a bug but a feature, consistent with Hebrew scripture. https://www.c-span.org/video/?123852-1/machiavelli-modern-leadership

    That is to say, to the extent that there was a holocaust of Jews, it was neither unforeseen nor unintended by the influential American, British & Palestine-based zionist Jews who were among the same group that worked so hard to provoke a war.

    3.

    in order to create Israel.

    That’s not precisely accurate. While it is a fact that the “state of Israel” was declared by Ben Gurion in 1948, Israel had been a work-in-progress that showed significant development by 1910, by which time Arthur Ruppin had acquired major parcels of Palestinian real estate and had built Tel Aviv (in a fashion that would appeal to German Jews). By the onset of WWI, several aliyehs had taken place; Ruppin had defined the qualities for the “human material” that would form the “new Jew” who would populate Palestine. (see Etan Bloom: Arthur Ruppin and the Creation of Hebrew Culture in Palestine).

    In short, the notion that “Israel was created because of the holocaust” turns topsy-turvy an elementary test of chronological exactitude in addition to inverting a basic analysis of cause-and-effect.
    Besides, the concept we have come to know and luv that is termed “Holocaust” did not come into being until the mid- to late-1960s, according to Prof. David Engel (see “Understanding the Holocaust” ) .

    4.

    Why would they risk their position in many European countries where they were grossly overrepresented in the elite for some maybe project in Palestine?

    a. One of the major tenets of zionism was/is the Ingathering.

    In a speech in September, 1935, Vladimir Jabotinsky said:

    The new organization,* Jabotinsky asserted, will seek not only to build Palestine, but to liquidate the Diaspora. Declaring that the aim of the organization is “the high Zionism,” he explained that the “high Zionism” does not mean the solution of the Diaspora problem by the mere creation of a model state in Palestine, but by the liquidation of the Diaspora with a return of the Jews to their homeland.
    The Jewish State, he declared, is not the end but only the first step, the second being the return of the people, which will be the solution of the Jewish problem.
    http://www.jta.org/1935/09/09/archive/jabotinsky-scores-nazis-as-revisionist-congress-opens

    Mark Bruzonsky explained Jabotinsky’s militant zionism in a 1980 op-ed in Washington Post:

    “It was [Vladimir] Jabotinsky who insisted that the entire Jewish Diaspora must be liquidated, that the entire Jewish “race” must return to its rightful homeland in Eretz Yisrael.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1980/11/16/the-mentor-who-shaped-begins-thinking-jabotinsky/ceac5816-9feb-4766-93bb-c8ac65c80680/?utm_term=.b062b866973e

    * Jabotinsky represented a ‘new’ version of zionism — “Revisionist Zionism” — that was greatly at odds with other forms of zionism, such as Labor zionism. Jabotinsky and Palestine- and US-based leaders of other forms of zionism were so much at odds that Vladimir was barred from Palestine. This and other conflicts — including a basic conflict between those opposed to any form of zionism and pro-zionists– prevailed throughout the Jewish community in the pre-war and war years.
    It should be noted that Benzion Netanyahu, Benjamin’s father, was New York based aid to Jabotinsky and a fervent Revisionist Zionist. Bibi is a Jabotinskyite/Revisionist Zionist, with all that entails, which explains some of Bibi’s forays such as urging French Jews to migrate to Israel.

    b. As has been argued elsewhere, German Jews preferred not to leave Germany (same goes for Italy and France). This is the theme of the film Ship of Fools.
    It seems reasonable to speculate that the numerous provocations American Jewish zionists aimed at Germany were intended to frighten German Jews to leave Germany, for Palestine and for other choice Western destinations, mostly in USA (I say “choice” because Jews largely rejected the offer of free land for 50,000 Jews in Dominican Republic).

    Because Western European Jews were loathe to leave their homes and positions among the elite, Palestine-based Jewish terror organizations created shepherding cadres, the Mossad el-Aliyeh bet, that worked in European states, if not in collaboration with Gestapo and the German government, at least with their direct knowledge, to incentivize and assist Jews to leave their European homes for Palestine, where the Mossad would aid them in breaking the British blockade. (see Francis Nicosia, “Zionism and Antisemitism in Nazi Germany”).

    Mossad was very active in Germany in 1938. It is entirely plausible that the assassination of the German diplomat in Paris, and the ensuing mob violence called Night of Broken Glass, had at least a Charlottesville-like assist from Mossad — one final push to destroy Jewish centers in Germany in order to frighten German Jews to flee.

    Succinct? No, the above is not succinct.
    Rather, detailed, because that is where the devil resides.

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    tearing the succinct statement apart:

    1.


    Zionists created Hitler
     
    a. the focus on the solitary person of Hitler is ludicrous; AH scarcely acted alone, nor was he even such a massive driving force. The Jewish declaration of war on Germany refers to “Hitlerites.”
     
    It was the gist of your positions which in the end you claimed to contain the needed devilry; so you commit a bit of self-inflicted vandalism. While Hitler promoted Führerprinzip, an idea he held all his life and textualised since Mein Kampf, no one here claimed he acted alone; it is you, who tilts at windmills.

    b. A Communist-made film from the Cold War era, Council of the gods (Der rat der Götter) discusses the corporations and their CEOs, including American corporations like Standard Oil, that were the main force in the Third Reich; in the film, Hitler is described as a mere spokesman, a gifted rhetorician able to rally the masses to the corporatist agenda.
     
    This betrays an [all too convenient] naivete that political leaders sprout entirely without the patronage of financial/business/corporatist interests. Has never been the case. Hitler had most major German industrialists backing him. Alfried Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach sound familiar? He was found guilty of forcing slave labour in Holland and France. What about I.G. Farben? Siemens? Yes, even the humanitarian Schindler quietly benefitted from Dolf and his boys. Your argument, generalised, implies that leaders have no will and agency of their own. Bravo!

    c. Also intriguing is the role of Ernst Hanfstaengel — was he Hitler’s handler? I suggest that FDR, or at least the Jews surrounding FDR, like Morgenthau and Frankfurter, selected and used — or played — Hitler in a fashion similar to the way USA used Saddam, and then destroyed him and his country.
     
    Putzi Hanfstaengl was a typical rich-boy from Harvard of those days. An easily imaginable dilettante with mild fascist tendencies, he got bowled over by Dolf's oratory and became an overnight convert to Nazism. His family from Munich gave a loan of some $1000 to the Volkischer Beobachter, which must have ingratiated Dolf no end to the Hanfstaengls. Hitler's handler, Putzi was not. LOL. He was, [like a few others] of German heritage, got interned as an enemy alien and spent most of the War in Washington and "advised" the government on Hitler. This apparently a matter of some amusement for both Putzi and his circle of Harvard mates. Washington giveth importance and Washington taketh importance in funny ways.

    d. If “Hitler” had not arisen in Germany, what would have happened? Would Weimar have gone on for generations? Would Germans have allowed the perpetuation of their state of demoralization, impoverishment, cultural debasement?

     

    Ah, I see; we are in the land of counterfactuals. Counterfactualise away! May I ask how many times you have visited and stayed in Germany in the last say, two decades? I have at least on five occasions stayed there for weeks and have friends and colleagues with whom I communicate on a regular basis. I see none of this "demoralization" you keep ranting about. It's a happy and productive society. Total nonsense, this trope about "German cultural debasement"....ad nauseum

    In summary, reductio ad Hitlerum is a ludicrous oversimplification
     

    Yes, and you are guilty of inventing that absurd and polemical charge. Hitler was the arch-nazi but he had the entire apparatus, the entire nation which voted him into power and contributed to that dark period. People associate leaders with good or bad periods. FDR was our great POTUS. Hitler was their great Fuhrer, not so much for the rest of the World.

    a. In the sense that Lady Michelle Renouf explains, Yes: Jews created a holocaust of the German people:
     
    ....and we should take note of the life Attila the Hun, not the Buddha, for an understanding of Pacifism.

    [......]

    Nothing I haven't read before, nothing which I haven't described previously as inter-galactic travels through wormholes. TB Contd in the fullness of time.

  137. Miro23 says:
    @William
    Israel may indeed start a war with Iran, but it could not do so without a supine U.S. congress willing to betray their country out of cowardice, vanity, ego, ambition, and utter lack of integrity. Never have so many U.S. officials been willing to betray their country. Any war with Iran would have to be fought with American money (tax payer money), armaments, and blood.
    I have the utmost contempt for the U.S. congress, traitors all.

    Israel may indeed start a war with Iran, but it could not do so without a supine U.S. congress willing to betray their country out of cowardice, vanity, ego, ambition, and utter lack of integrity. Never have so many U.S. officials been willing to betray their country. Any war with Iran would have to be fought with American money (tax payer money), armaments, and blood.
    I have the utmost contempt for the U.S. congress, traitors all.

    Some time ago, Zionist Anne Applebaum at the Washington Post mapped out how this would work, “Prepare for a War with Iran – In Case Israel Strikes” Feb 23rd 2010. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/22/AR2010022203528.html

    The general idea was that Iran would respond to Israeli bombing by attacking US assets (in which they could be assisted), and the US administration and Congress would do their duty, and patriotically join with Israel in destroying Iran.

    Like she said:

    If that ever happened, then the 2 a.m. phone call (Israel bombing Iran) would be followed by retaliation, some of which would be directed at us, our troops in Iraq, our ships at sea. I don’t want this to happen — but I do want us to be prepared if it does. ….. But I do hope that this administration is ready, militarily and psychologically, not for a war of choice but for an unwanted war of necessity. This is real life, after all, not Hollywood.

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    Hillary would have been all too ready for that 2:00 am call, just like she announced about the 3:00 am call. One more reason to be glad that she was not elected.
  138. Miro23 says:
    @geokat62

    Sam doesn’t want war with Iran, this is... untruth.
     
    The more pertinent question is this: does AIPAC want war with Iran? Did they not also plump for war with Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Lebanon? Did they not also want to stir up strife between the ukro-nazis and Russia (see Cookie Monster, Victoria Nudelman, beloved spouse of neocon cofounder of PNAC, Robert Kaganovich)?

    Didn't one of your Dearly Beloved Zionist Brethren (DBZB) readily admit he was automatically sending in his monthly contribution to AIPAC? Given he was a paying member, isn't it likely he received a complimentary copy of AIPAC's glossy briefing books, especially the one released back in 2000 that included these six countries - Iran, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Egypt - on the JS's hit list?

    Wasn't the policy to remake the MENA a clearly articulated goal of PNAC's? Wasn't this policy meant to result in the destruction of 7 countries in 5 years? Haven't all these countries (except Iran) been attacked, already? Hasn't this policy to remake the MENA resulted in the destruction of these countries, the death of over a million innocent people, the looting of the US treasury to the tune of over $6,000,000,000,000.00, and the filling of the vacuum by the terrorist organizations like ISIS and al-Qaeda?

    Didn't you, yourself, endeavor to get your DBZB to explain his outrageous claim that Iraq represented an existential threat, not to the JS, but... wait for it, the US? Didn't he commit to furnishing you with a response that supported this claim after that upcoming sabbath? Did you ever receive his response?

    You and your DBZB are very keen on accusing me of being an anti-Semite because I have the temerity to speak out with words about all the nefarious activities of The Lobby.

    But it hasn't occurred to either of you that based on your DBZB's actions - i.e., his steady contributions to The Lobby - he, along with other paying members (incl. xian Zionists), are responsible (in direct proportion to the amount he's contributed) for the death and destruction that has transpired in MENA.

    So, my final question is this: why is it acceptable to label a goy an antisemite just because he chooses to utter words that condemn the actions of The Lobby, but it's unacceptable to label your DBZB an anti-goyim even though through his actions he is responsible for opening the gates of hell and unleashing the dogs of war?

    If we use actions, and not words, as the criterion for determining who the real haters are, I think it's fair to say that anti-goyism (see Gilad Atzmon's The Wandering Who?) is a more prevalent threat to the world than anti-semitism.

    If we use actions, and not words, as the criterion for determining who the real haters are, I think it’s fair to say that anti-goyism (see Gilad Atzmon’s The Wandering Who?) is a more prevalent threat to the world than anti-semitism.

    It’s true that in the end, the actions are what count, but words have to prepare the way.

    It was Lenin who coined the term “Politically Correct”.

    Like he said, “The fundamental idea is clear: to bring forward a politically correct statute, which sets out the essence and justification of terror.” Letter to Kursii 17th May 1922

    It’s a Bolshevik term for “correct views” used to justify the murder of opponents.

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  139. @iffen
    Your argument boils down to: Zionists created Hitler in order to create the Holocaust in order to create Israel. Why would they risk their position in many European countries where they were grossly overrepresented in the elite for some maybe project in Palestine?

    Some Jews have Israel as a priority while others have global domination as a priority and see Israel as a means to that end. In order to create a New World Order the old world order has to be destroyed just as a very good house might be torn down in order to build the “dream” house. This is very clearly laid out in the Protocols.

    What happened to Germany is now happening to the USA as per the plan. That some cannot see it is due to a lack of vision rather than it being non existent. Many American Jews will suffer and pay a very heavy price just as German Jews did. The end justifies the means. How could you not know this? A person doesn’t have to be a Jew hater to not want this to happen and to be opposed to it, in fact one could actually be showing more regard for those Jews by working to prevent it.

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  140. HBM says:
    @Priss Factor
    http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/381367/why-did-23andme-tell-ashkenazi-jews-they-could-be-descended-from-khazars/

    What's going on in this article?

    Very confusing. We've been told Khazar Theory is discredited. But is there genetic basis for it now?

    Article is fuzzy.

    There’s no scientific reason given for why they either said it or retracted it– so it sounds like (((pressure))), of course. Also of note is that the article ends with the claim that certain haplogroups are associated with Jewish “Tribes”– i.e., R1 is the Tribe of Levi– without a hint of skepticism. Also: how do Ashkenazi Jews descend from a group in the Levant that apparently isn’t much older than the first century? Shouldn’t they be a lot older than that?

    Also, the fear, naturally, is that the Khazar stuff (which to me appears transparently to be a Christian rationalization– but I’m open to scientific evidence) robs Jews of a historical claim to the so-called “holy land”.

    What’s also worth knowing that robs them is history and archaeology. Some scholars argue (and have for decades) that Jews did not exist until the Persian conquest; that Jewish History is a concoction, a historical fiction. (This is the stuff Finkelstein won’t tell you.)

    If that’s the case, then nobody who viewed themselves as a Jew self-ruled in that place until the period following the Greeks and until the Romans arrived– a span of about a hundred years. Before the Persians, they were just more Semitic Levantine pagans, like everyone else in the region.

    I suspect this theory is correct.

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  141. @iffen
    Obama clearly hates whites.

    Do you think that he hated his Mom and the Grandmother who raised him?

    He threw his grandmother under the bus the first chance he got. And yes, I would say he definitely had mommy issues, daddy issues too for that matter.

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    Like most mixed-race Americans, Obama clearly identifies with his non-white side. Whether this is due to biology or strong socio-political incentives, I don't know (likely a combination), but the pattern is clear. And in Obama's case, the mother is obviously one weird chick as well.
  142. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    p.s. What the Jews have been giving us in the last 30 years, is less and less of the pie.

    Sam denounces those running dogs and free booting capitalists squeezing us poor Ivans. Right Sam? Sam? Sam!

    Sorry, Iffen,
    work summoned me away, but of course, you are right! I have written of it often, and feel no compunction to repeat it as a compulsory chant for the brain damaged morons here. What I do to persuade AIPAC one way or another, is my quest, and not for the purpose of chest thumping here. For those whinging about my economic stance against the vast inequality of income and wealth in this country, do take a look at the archives if you so wish. Lastly, Of course I want no war with Iran, nor is there going to be one, if I am correct in my reckoning.

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    Lastly, Of course I want no war with Iran, nor is there going to be one, if I am correct in my reckoning.

    Sorry Mr. Sam - you cannot have it every way - you cannot support Israel and not support an Iran war. Israel wants an Iran war.

    You have said that most Israelis are not religious - but they claim that god gave them Israel.

    Your statements are logically inconsistent. Me thinks that you are trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

    The Jew agenda means war for my country – if I complain about Jew group advocacy for war, Jews call me an anti-Semite – a Nazi – a skinhead. You attack my freedom to speak.

    You say there is going to be no war – oh great! (Thank you Mr. Sam.)

    Why is America being put in this position in the first place – why are we spending our time on this false fear and hyped hate - why are we not free to fix our internal problems caused by Jew manipulation of our financial system?

    Why does America have to contend with this endless Jew cabal of hate for others. There is something very wrong with the Jews.

    Think Peace --- Art
  143. @Chris Mallory
    He threw his grandmother under the bus the first chance he got. And yes, I would say he definitely had mommy issues, daddy issues too for that matter.

    Like most mixed-race Americans, Obama clearly identifies with his non-white side. Whether this is due to biology or strong socio-political incentives, I don’t know (likely a combination), but the pattern is clear. And in Obama’s case, the mother is obviously one weird chick as well.

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  144. @Art
    Therefore, it is obvious that the crushing of the Munich Soviet was done by Zionist

    Oh my -- is the future of the West to forever rehash the Jews of the thirties?

    Enough - this is a diversion away from the current day evils of the Jews.

    No more wars for Israel!

    Think Peace --- Art

    Apologies to you, Art; yes, it is tedious to rehash the 1930s and 1940s; and it is extremely important to address the topic of Phil’s fine article — war against Iran.

    I hammer (and chisel) away at the WWII era because I see a direct link between WWII and the passionately desired war against Iran:
    first, if we observe in real time how zionist Jews & their non-Jewish toadies lie, kill, steal TODAY wrt 9/11, Iraq, Syria, etc. ; how zionist Jews have lied, killed and stolen from the Palestinians for over a century; then are we to assume that zionist Jews were innocent as lambs from 1881 – 1948, the original kosher dindu muffins?

    Or is there a pattern — the same behavioral characteristics observed in real time, and extending back in time through most of modern history?

    We can see how zionist Jews are carrying out that same pattern against Iran. Ronen Bergman made that direct connection http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982 when young Iranian nuclear scientist was assassinated in Tehran in 2012 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/11/iran-nuclear-scientist-killed

    [Although the video and transcript are no longer available, based on my notes] Bergman said, “Israel has long used assassination against its enemies, more than any other state, more than Stalin and Hitler . . .“hoping that by taking out individuals, they can alter, change the course of history.” He said that “Israelis identify Iran’s leaders as “Hitler,” and once you say someone is Hitler, then it is moral to take out that (person/innocents/attack the whole nation).”

    Furthermore, Jews use the holocau$t like our militarized police use those high-tech shields; I think it’s useful to strip that obnoxious defense tool out of their hands.

    So I whack away at kosher dindu muffins to demonstrate the spots on that particular leopard, so that we who are adamantly opposed to an attack on Iran can understand our adversary (“the Predator,” as Lady Michelle Redouf calls them https://justice4germans.wordpress.com ) and in that way formulate strategies to disarm them and frustrate their schemes.

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    • Replies: @Art
    Exposing the role of the Jews in the leadup to Hitler in Germany is very important work – but being a Hitler supporter, in any way, is a loser for the good guys

    The Jews have successfully impregnated the Western mind with a negative Hitler meme – so that any use of the word “Hitler” becomes an automatic winner for the Jews. Most people have a negative non-thinking brainstem reaction to the word.

    With that said, there is starting to be a backlash against those who condemn people by referring to them as “Hitler.” The condemnation remains – just its overuse is questioned.

    Think Peace --- Art
  145. Art says:
    @Sam Shama
    Sorry, Iffen,
    work summoned me away, but of course, you are right! I have written of it often, and feel no compunction to repeat it as a compulsory chant for the brain damaged morons here. What I do to persuade AIPAC one way or another, is my quest, and not for the purpose of chest thumping here. For those whinging about my economic stance against the vast inequality of income and wealth in this country, do take a look at the archives if you so wish. Lastly, Of course I want no war with Iran, nor is there going to be one, if I am correct in my reckoning.

    Lastly, Of course I want no war with Iran, nor is there going to be one, if I am correct in my reckoning.

    Sorry Mr. Sam – you cannot have it every way – you cannot support Israel and not support an Iran war. Israel wants an Iran war.

    You have said that most Israelis are not religious – but they claim that god gave them Israel.

    Your statements are logically inconsistent. Me thinks that you are trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

    The Jew agenda means war for my country – if I complain about Jew group advocacy for war, Jews call me an anti-Semite – a Nazi – a skinhead. You attack my freedom to speak.

    You say there is going to be no war – oh great! (Thank you Mr. Sam.)

    Why is America being put in this position in the first place – why are we spending our time on this false fear and hyped hate – why are we not free to fix our internal problems caused by Jew manipulation of our financial system?

    Why does America have to contend with this endless Jew cabal of hate for others. There is something very wrong with the Jews.

    Think Peace — Art

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    LOL.

    I'll only observe that you guys ['the Arts' conglomerate] have taken whinging to a whole new Art form.
    Question: Can you remind me how Jews are responsible for Hurricane Harvey?

    Selah
    , @Anonymous

    There is something very wrong with the Jews.
     
    Well, Talmud itself is promising supremacy if the chosen ones embrace fear, bloodshed, parasitism and psychopathy. The sheer depth of evil contained within is testing my lack of religious faith.
  146. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wizard of Oz
    Why do you assume he would want to?

    Wolfowitz is neither a wolf nor a sheep but a bastard who should be put on trial for mass murder .His wet dream of killing as many as possible started actually in 1979 as documented in SUNSHINE WARRIOR (NYT) revealed through his mad hatred for Iraqi leader .
    He continued down that path In the process he forced the administration to ignore real danger . His monumental blunder was by design . He let 911 happen by forcing intelligence to focus on Saddam not on Al Quida from 1993 WTC bombing until August of 2001.

    He is a murderer pure and simple.

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    A pure and simple murderer. I like it.

    It makes one wonder who qualifies. No messing round with torture allowed obviously. No rape.

    I think suicide bombers almost all qualify with Gold status medals. Bomber pilots, navigators and bombaimers** Bronze I think, with Silver status for almost anyone firing a missile.

    Anyway, here's to PW the pure and simple (whom even his mother wouldn't recognise).

    **another odd bit of terminology when you think how little "aiming" WW2 bimbaimers did.
  147. Sam Shama says:
    @Art
    Lastly, Of course I want no war with Iran, nor is there going to be one, if I am correct in my reckoning.

    Sorry Mr. Sam - you cannot have it every way - you cannot support Israel and not support an Iran war. Israel wants an Iran war.

    You have said that most Israelis are not religious - but they claim that god gave them Israel.

    Your statements are logically inconsistent. Me thinks that you are trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

    The Jew agenda means war for my country – if I complain about Jew group advocacy for war, Jews call me an anti-Semite – a Nazi – a skinhead. You attack my freedom to speak.

    You say there is going to be no war – oh great! (Thank you Mr. Sam.)

    Why is America being put in this position in the first place – why are we spending our time on this false fear and hyped hate - why are we not free to fix our internal problems caused by Jew manipulation of our financial system?

    Why does America have to contend with this endless Jew cabal of hate for others. There is something very wrong with the Jews.

    Think Peace --- Art

    LOL.

    I’ll only observe that you guys ['the Arts' conglomerate] have taken whinging to a whole new Art form.
    Question: Can you remind me how Jews are responsible for Hurricane Harvey?

    Selah

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    LOL.

    War may be a laughing matter to you Jews on your way to the bank - but I assure you it is NO laughing matter to me or my countrymen.

    The corruption of our political system for the benefit of Jews is becoming more and more apparent. Netanyahu and congress is the low point in American history.

    The Hitler meme is losing its clout – the “six million lie” is losing its punch – and the Jew victim meme is faltering.

    And Yes – LOL about 9/11 while you can!

    Think Peace --- Art

    , @iffen
    whinging to a whole new Art form.

    Merriam-Webster:

    Definition of whinge ,whinged, whinging or whingeing

    British intransitive verb
    :
    to complain fretfully
    :
    whine


    Hillbilly Dictionary:

    Massive whining while winging it with the facts.

  148. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Priss Factor
    http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/381367/why-did-23andme-tell-ashkenazi-jews-they-could-be-descended-from-khazars/

    What's going on in this article?

    Very confusing. We've been told Khazar Theory is discredited. But is there genetic basis for it now?

    Article is fuzzy.

    ” Despite being one of the most genetically analysed groups, the origin of European Jews has remained obscure. However, a new study published online January 17 in the journal Genome Biology and Evolution by Dr Eran Elhaik, a geneticist at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, argues that the European Jewish genome is a mosaic of Caucasus, European, and Semitic ancestries, setting to rest previous contradictory reports of Jewish ancestry. Elhaik’s findings strongly support the Khazarian Hypothesis, as opposed to the Rhineland Hypothesis, of European Jewish origins. This could have a major impact on the ways in which scientists study genetic disorders within the population.

    The Rhineland Hypothesis has been the favoured explanation for the origins of present-day European Jews, until now. In this scenario Jews descended from Israelite-Canaanite tribes left the Holy Land for Europe in the 7th century, following the Muslim conquest of Palestine. Then, in the beginning of the 15th century, a group of approximately 50,000 left Germany, the Rhineland, for the east. There they maintained high endogamy, and despite wars, persecution, disease, plagues, and economic hardships, their population expanded rapidly to around 8 million in the 20th century. Due to the implausibility of such an event, this rapid expansion was explained by Prof Harry Ostrer, Dr Gil Atzmon, and colleagues as a miracle. Under the Rhineland Hypothesis, European Jews would be very similar to each other and would have a predominant Middle Eastern ancestry.

    The rival explanation, the Khazarian Hypothesis, states that the Jewish-convert Khazars — a confederation of Turkic, Iranian, and Mongol tribes who lived in what is now Southern Russia, north of Georgia and east of Ukraine, and who converted to Judaism between the 7th and 9th centuries — along with groups of Mesopotamian and Greco-Roman Jews, formed the basis of eastern Europe’s Jewish population when they fled eastward”

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130116195333.htm

    Forward article dismisses the lead scientist as “antis emite”- the usual trope ,

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    FORWARD ' While the theory that Jews are descended from Khazars has been discredited,
    Read more: http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/381367/why-did-23andme-tell-ashkenazi-jews-they-could-be-descended-from-khazars/


    What evidence does Forward has to claim this theory has been discredited ?
  149. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anon
    " Despite being one of the most genetically analysed groups, the origin of European Jews has remained obscure. However, a new study published online January 17 in the journal Genome Biology and Evolution by Dr Eran Elhaik, a geneticist at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, argues that the European Jewish genome is a mosaic of Caucasus, European, and Semitic ancestries, setting to rest previous contradictory reports of Jewish ancestry. Elhaik's findings strongly support the Khazarian Hypothesis, as opposed to the Rhineland Hypothesis, of European Jewish origins. This could have a major impact on the ways in which scientists study genetic disorders within the population.

    The Rhineland Hypothesis has been the favoured explanation for the origins of present-day European Jews, until now. In this scenario Jews descended from Israelite-Canaanite tribes left the Holy Land for Europe in the 7th century, following the Muslim conquest of Palestine. Then, in the beginning of the 15th century, a group of approximately 50,000 left Germany, the Rhineland, for the east. There they maintained high endogamy, and despite wars, persecution, disease, plagues, and economic hardships, their population expanded rapidly to around 8 million in the 20th century. Due to the implausibility of such an event, this rapid expansion was explained by Prof Harry Ostrer, Dr Gil Atzmon, and colleagues as a miracle. Under the Rhineland Hypothesis, European Jews would be very similar to each other and would have a predominant Middle Eastern ancestry.

    The rival explanation, the Khazarian Hypothesis, states that the Jewish-convert Khazars -- a confederation of Turkic, Iranian, and Mongol tribes who lived in what is now Southern Russia, north of Georgia and east of Ukraine, and who converted to Judaism between the 7th and 9th centuries -- along with groups of Mesopotamian and Greco-Roman Jews, formed the basis of eastern Europe's Jewish population when they fled eastward"

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130116195333.htm

    Forward article dismisses the lead scientist as "antis emite"- the usual trope ,

    FORWARD ‘ While the theory that Jews are descended from Khazars has been discredited,
    Read more: http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/381367/why-did-23andme-tell-ashkenazi-jews-they-could-be-descended-from-khazars/

    What evidence does Forward has to claim this theory has been discredited ?

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    The light that suddenly went on when, many years after reading of it, I thought of the Khazar theory, was Yiddish. Basically a German dialect, it was incompatible with the Khazar origin.
  150. Art says:
    @Sam Shama
    LOL.

    I'll only observe that you guys ['the Arts' conglomerate] have taken whinging to a whole new Art form.
    Question: Can you remind me how Jews are responsible for Hurricane Harvey?

    Selah

    LOL.

    War may be a laughing matter to you Jews on your way to the bank – but I assure you it is NO laughing matter to me or my countrymen.

    The corruption of our political system for the benefit of Jews is becoming more and more apparent. Netanyahu and congress is the low point in American history.

    The Hitler meme is losing its clout – the “six million lie” is losing its punch – and the Jew victim meme is faltering.

    And Yes – LOL about 9/11 while you can!

    Think Peace — Art

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    I never laugh on my way to the bank. Rather contemplative and serious on the contrary. Speaking of serious matters, Art, how are you stocked on Pork and Beans for the coming winter?
  151. Art says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Apologies to you, Art; yes, it is tedious to rehash the 1930s and 1940s; and it is extremely important to address the topic of Phil's fine article -- war against Iran.

    I hammer (and chisel) away at the WWII era because I see a direct link between WWII and the passionately desired war against Iran:
    first, if we observe in real time how zionist Jews & their non-Jewish toadies lie, kill, steal TODAY wrt 9/11, Iraq, Syria, etc. ; how zionist Jews have lied, killed and stolen from the Palestinians for over a century; then are we to assume that zionist Jews were innocent as lambs from 1881 - 1948, the original kosher dindu muffins?

    Or is there a pattern -- the same behavioral characteristics observed in real time, and extending back in time through most of modern history?

    We can see how zionist Jews are carrying out that same pattern against Iran. Ronen Bergman made that direct connection http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982 when young Iranian nuclear scientist was assassinated in Tehran in 2012 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/11/iran-nuclear-scientist-killed --

    [Although the video and transcript are no longer available, based on my notes] Bergman said, "Israel has long used assassination against its enemies, more than any other state, more than Stalin and Hitler . . .“hoping that by taking out individuals, they can alter, change the course of history.” He said that "Israelis identify Iran's leaders as "Hitler," and once you say someone is Hitler, then it is moral to take out that (person/innocents/attack the whole nation)."

    Furthermore, Jews use the holocau$t like our militarized police use those high-tech shields; I think it's useful to strip that obnoxious defense tool out of their hands.

    So I whack away at kosher dindu muffins to demonstrate the spots on that particular leopard, so that we who are adamantly opposed to an attack on Iran can understand our adversary ("the Predator," as Lady Michelle Redouf calls them https://justice4germans.wordpress.com ) and in that way formulate strategies to disarm them and frustrate their schemes.

    Exposing the role of the Jews in the leadup to Hitler in Germany is very important work – but being a Hitler supporter, in any way, is a loser for the good guys

    The Jews have successfully impregnated the Western mind with a negative Hitler meme – so that any use of the word “Hitler” becomes an automatic winner for the Jews. Most people have a negative non-thinking brainstem reaction to the word.

    With that said, there is starting to be a backlash against those who condemn people by referring to them as “Hitler.” The condemnation remains – just its overuse is questioned.

    Think Peace — Art

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    Think Peace.

    Think Justice.

    On this one occasion, the UN thinks Justice:

    U.N. Nuclear Agency Rejects Trump, Sides With Iran on U.S. Request for Military Inspections
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-n-nuclear-agency-rejects-151644362.html

    Despite mounting pressure from the Trump administration, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said Thursday that Iran was in compliance with a 2015 treaty it signed with the U.S. and five other leading world powers. The announcement comes in response to recent meetings between IAEA officials and the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Nikki Haley, who echoed White House concerns that Iran may be cheating on the deal by continuing nuclear production in off-limits military sights.
     
    US demanded the right to inspect Iranian military sites from the very beginning of nuclear negotiations.

    Iran said No.
    Rightly so.

    UN - IAEA agrees.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    thanks Art.

    Posted earlier, a link to an article by Col. Pat Lang on his blog, SicSemperTyrannis:

    Analysis is not Advocacy.

    Nobody is being a "Hitler Supporter."

    Telling the other side is what Equal Justice Under Law is all about; neither the "Hitler" nor German side of the story has been told truthfully and accurately -- Corvinus goes so far as to argue that the "victor" has the "right" to lie about its war crimes, while the vanquished must dwell perpetually in contemplation of its "atrocities."

    That Is Not History.

    It is deformed triumphalism.

    Because the American people have never confronted the enormity of their crimes against humanity in WWII (and others), they continue to commit those crimes, killing millions in Viet Nam, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria, Ukraine . . .

    Where does it end?

    When do the American people wake up and realize, O my god, we are subsidizing mass murder on an unprecedented scale!
  152. @anon
    FORWARD ' While the theory that Jews are descended from Khazars has been discredited,
    Read more: http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/381367/why-did-23andme-tell-ashkenazi-jews-they-could-be-descended-from-khazars/


    What evidence does Forward has to claim this theory has been discredited ?

    The light that suddenly went on when, many years after reading of it, I thought of the Khazar theory, was Yiddish. Basically a German dialect, it was incompatible with the Khazar origin.

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    1 - Language origin doesn't add anything to this controversy at this stage .

    2 Forward is dismissing without citing any new post 2013 DNA analysis.

    3 A blind protocol of DNA analysis ( referred by Forward which raised the issue again )
    by private company shed more light and clues, which instead of ridicule should have been pursued .instead it has suffered the fate of the Antisemitism canard and dismissal from usual racism trope .
  153. @Art
    Exposing the role of the Jews in the leadup to Hitler in Germany is very important work – but being a Hitler supporter, in any way, is a loser for the good guys

    The Jews have successfully impregnated the Western mind with a negative Hitler meme – so that any use of the word “Hitler” becomes an automatic winner for the Jews. Most people have a negative non-thinking brainstem reaction to the word.

    With that said, there is starting to be a backlash against those who condemn people by referring to them as “Hitler.” The condemnation remains – just its overuse is questioned.

    Think Peace --- Art

    Think Peace.

    Think Justice.

    On this one occasion, the UN thinks Justice:

    U.N. Nuclear Agency Rejects Trump, Sides With Iran on U.S. Request for Military Inspections

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-n-nuclear-agency-rejects-151644362.html

    Despite mounting pressure from the Trump administration, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said Thursday that Iran was in compliance with a 2015 treaty it signed with the U.S. and five other leading world powers. The announcement comes in response to recent meetings between IAEA officials and the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Nikki Haley, who echoed White House concerns that Iran may be cheating on the deal by continuing nuclear production in off-limits military sights.

    US demanded the right to inspect Iranian military sites from the very beginning of nuclear negotiations.

    Iran said No.
    Rightly so.

    UN – IAEA agrees.

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  154. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    suc·cinct

    adjective
    (especially of something written or spoken) briefly and clearly expressed.
    ===
    this definition suggests an emphasis on "brevity" but in this case, brevity comes at the expense of accuracy.

    tearing the succinct statement apart:


    1.

    Zionists created Hitler
     
    a. the focus on the solitary person of Hitler is ludicrous; AH scarcely acted alone, nor was he even such a massive driving force. The Jewish declaration of war on Germany refers to "Hitlerites."

    b. A Communist-made film from the Cold War era, Council of the gods (Der rat der Götter) discusses the corporations and their CEOs, including American corporations like Standard Oil, that were the main force in the Third Reich; in the film, Hitler is described as a mere spokesman, a gifted rhetorician able to rally the masses to the corporatist agenda.

    c. Also intriguing is the role of Ernst Hanfstaengel -- was he Hitler's handler? I suggest that FDR, or at least the Jews surrounding FDR, like Morgenthau and Frankfurter, selected and used -- or played -- Hitler in a fashion similar to the way USA used Saddam, and then destroyed him and his country.

    d. If "Hitler" had not arisen in Germany, what would have happened? Would Weimar have gone on for generations? Would Germans have allowed the perpetuation of their state of demoralization, impoverishment, cultural debasement? "Cometh the hour, cometh the man."
    Based on an exchange between C Bradley Thompson and Todd Lindberg,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oh6DmjQaho

    Weimar and the (many Jewish) ideologies bubbling within it, was wearing out. Leo Strauss was one of the ideologues active in Weimar; although his acolytes take pains to dismiss it, Strauss was ideologically allied with Carl Schmitt, political and legal scholar -- he wrote "Concept of the Political," -- and member of the National Socialist party.

    In summary, reductio ad Hitlerum is a ludicrous oversimplification of an era of extensive intellectual and ideological ferment to which very many persons and organizations contributed.

    2.

    in order to create the Holocaust
     
    a. In the sense that Lady Michelle Renouf explains, Yes: Jews created a holocaust of the German people:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPaCEFl-Zzg

    b. Perhaps 25 years before the rise of NSDAP, Theodore Herzl sought the then-emperor's blessing on an "exodus" of Jews from Germany to Palestine.
    "Exodus" is the word Herzl used.
    Recognize its significance: when the Hebrews left Egypt, they stole from- and slew their Egyptian former hosts. In just that fashion, Jews intended to, rather, were directed to, leave Germany, leaving destruction in their wake, or, alternatively, to remove the Jewish elite from what Brandeis expected would be a scene of destruction. (In a discussion in New York city in 2014, Gilad Atzmon described how the Jewish community created its elites -- mainly German and Austrian Jews -- while "Ost Juden" were generally denied the education and other investment required to allow them to become anything more than dull-normal intellects https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hWl8jq4zLI


    To be more precise, In early February, 1933, Louis Brandeis directed that "all Jews leave Germany." That exchange between Brandeis and Rabbi Stephen Wise is quoted from Wise's autobiography, "The Challenging Years" in Edwin Black's "The Transfer Agreement." Black offers several reasons for Brandeis's directive, the most prominent reason being that the Jewish settlement in Palestine was facing bankruptcy, and only German Jews had the kind of wealth required under the British quota system to migrate to Palestine.
    Furthermore, as noted in Atzmon's discussion, above, German Jews represented the investment of the Jewish community; they needed to be saved from the coming devastation (remember: this is 1933). Ost Juden were dispensable; indeed, it was Polish and Ukrainian Jews whose numbers were most severely reduced over the course of war. A series of comments by Michael Ledeen suggest that the destruction of less-accomplished Ost Juden was not a bug but a feature, consistent with Hebrew scripture. https://www.c-span.org/video/?123852-1/machiavelli-modern-leadership

    That is to say, to the extent that there was a holocaust of Jews, it was neither unforeseen nor unintended by the influential American, British & Palestine-based zionist Jews who were among the same group that worked so hard to provoke a war.


    3.

    in order to create Israel.
     
    That's not precisely accurate. While it is a fact that the "state of Israel" was declared by Ben Gurion in 1948, Israel had been a work-in-progress that showed significant development by 1910, by which time Arthur Ruppin had acquired major parcels of Palestinian real estate and had built Tel Aviv (in a fashion that would appeal to German Jews). By the onset of WWI, several aliyehs had taken place; Ruppin had defined the qualities for the "human material" that would form the "new Jew" who would populate Palestine. (see Etan Bloom: Arthur Ruppin and the Creation of Hebrew Culture in Palestine).

    In short, the notion that "Israel was created because of the holocaust" turns topsy-turvy an elementary test of chronological exactitude in addition to inverting a basic analysis of cause-and-effect.
    Besides, the concept we have come to know and luv that is termed "Holocaust" did not come into being until the mid- to late-1960s, according to Prof. David Engel (see "Understanding the Holocaust" ) .

    4.

    Why would they risk their position in many European countries where they were grossly overrepresented in the elite for some maybe project in Palestine?
     
    a. One of the major tenets of zionism was/is the Ingathering.

    In a speech in September, 1935, Vladimir Jabotinsky said:

    The new organization,* Jabotinsky asserted, will seek not only to build Palestine, but to liquidate the Diaspora. Declaring that the aim of the organization is “the high Zionism,” he explained that the “high Zionism” does not mean the solution of the Diaspora problem by the mere creation of a model state in Palestine, but by the liquidation of the Diaspora with a return of the Jews to their homeland.
    The Jewish State, he declared, is not the end but only the first step, the second being the return of the people, which will be the solution of the Jewish problem.
    http://www.jta.org/1935/09/09/archive/jabotinsky-scores-nazis-as-revisionist-congress-opens
     
    Mark Bruzonsky explained Jabotinsky's militant zionism in a 1980 op-ed in Washington Post:

    "It was [Vladimir] Jabotinsky who insisted that the entire Jewish Diaspora must be liquidated, that the entire Jewish "race" must return to its rightful homeland in Eretz Yisrael."
    "https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1980/11/16/the-mentor-who-shaped-begins-thinking-jabotinsky/ceac5816-9feb-4766-93bb-c8ac65c80680/?utm_term=.b062b866973e
     
    * Jabotinsky represented a 'new' version of zionism -- "Revisionist Zionism" -- that was greatly at odds with other forms of zionism, such as Labor zionism. Jabotinsky and Palestine- and US-based leaders of other forms of zionism were so much at odds that Vladimir was barred from Palestine. This and other conflicts -- including a basic conflict between those opposed to any form of zionism and pro-zionists-- prevailed throughout the Jewish community in the pre-war and war years.
    It should be noted that Benzion Netanyahu, Benjamin's father, was New York based aid to Jabotinsky and a fervent Revisionist Zionist. Bibi is a Jabotinskyite/Revisionist Zionist, with all that entails, which explains some of Bibi's forays such as urging French Jews to migrate to Israel.



    b. As has been argued elsewhere, German Jews preferred not to leave Germany (same goes for Italy and France). This is the theme of the film Ship of Fools.
    It seems reasonable to speculate that the numerous provocations American Jewish zionists aimed at Germany were intended to frighten German Jews to leave Germany, for Palestine and for other choice Western destinations, mostly in USA (I say "choice" because Jews largely rejected the offer of free land for 50,000 Jews in Dominican Republic).

    Because Western European Jews were loathe to leave their homes and positions among the elite, Palestine-based Jewish terror organizations created shepherding cadres, the Mossad el-Aliyeh bet, that worked in European states, if not in collaboration with Gestapo and the German government, at least with their direct knowledge, to incentivize and assist Jews to leave their European homes for Palestine, where the Mossad would aid them in breaking the British blockade. (see Francis Nicosia, "Zionism and Antisemitism in Nazi Germany").

    Mossad was very active in Germany in 1938. It is entirely plausible that the assassination of the German diplomat in Paris, and the ensuing mob violence called Night of Broken Glass, had at least a Charlottesville-like assist from Mossad -- one final push to destroy Jewish centers in Germany in order to frighten German Jews to flee.



    Succinct? No, the above is not succinct.
    Rather, detailed, because that is where the devil resides.

    tearing the succinct statement apart:

    1.

    Zionists created Hitler

    a. the focus on the solitary person of Hitler is ludicrous; AH scarcely acted alone, nor was he even such a massive driving force. The Jewish declaration of war on Germany refers to “Hitlerites.”

    It was the gist of your positions which in the end you claimed to contain the needed devilry; so you commit a bit of self-inflicted vandalism. While Hitler promoted Führerprinzip, an idea he held all his life and textualised since Mein Kampf, no one here claimed he acted alone; it is you, who tilts at windmills.

    b. A Communist-made film from the Cold War era, Council of the gods (Der rat der Götter) discusses the corporations and their CEOs, including American corporations like Standard Oil, that were the main force in the Third Reich; in the film, Hitler is described as a mere spokesman, a gifted rhetorician able to rally the masses to the corporatist agenda.

    This betrays an [all too convenient] naivete that political leaders sprout entirely without the patronage of financial/business/corporatist interests. Has never been the case. Hitler had most major German industrialists backing him. Alfried Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach sound familiar? He was found guilty of forcing slave labour in Holland and France. What about I.G. Farben? Siemens? Yes, even the humanitarian Schindler quietly benefitted from Dolf and his boys. Your argument, generalised, implies that leaders have no will and agency of their own. Bravo!

    c. Also intriguing is the role of Ernst Hanfstaengel — was he Hitler’s handler? I suggest that FDR, or at least the Jews surrounding FDR, like Morgenthau and Frankfurter, selected and used — or played — Hitler in a fashion similar to the way USA used Saddam, and then destroyed him and his country.

    Putzi Hanfstaengl was a typical rich-boy from Harvard of those days. An easily imaginable dilettante with mild fascist tendencies, he got bowled over by Dolf’s oratory and became an overnight convert to Nazism. His family from Munich gave a loan of some $1000 to the Volkischer Beobachter, which must have ingratiated Dolf no end to the Hanfstaengls. Hitler’s handler, Putzi was not. LOL. He was, [like a few others] of German heritage, got interned as an enemy alien and spent most of the War in Washington and “advised” the government on Hitler. This apparently a matter of some amusement for both Putzi and his circle of Harvard mates. Washington giveth importance and Washington taketh importance in funny ways.

    d. If “Hitler” had not arisen in Germany, what would have happened? Would Weimar have gone on for generations? Would Germans have allowed the perpetuation of their state of demoralization, impoverishment, cultural debasement?

    Ah, I see; we are in the land of counterfactuals. Counterfactualise away! May I ask how many times you have visited and stayed in Germany in the last say, two decades? I have at least on five occasions stayed there for weeks and have friends and colleagues with whom I communicate on a regular basis. I see none of this “demoralization” you keep ranting about. It’s a happy and productive society. Total nonsense, this trope about “German cultural debasement”….ad nauseum

    In summary, reductio ad Hitlerum is a ludicrous oversimplification

    Yes, and you are guilty of inventing that absurd and polemical charge. Hitler was the arch-nazi but he had the entire apparatus, the entire nation which voted him into power and contributed to that dark period. People associate leaders with good or bad periods. FDR was our great POTUS. Hitler was their great Fuhrer, not so much for the rest of the World.

    a. In the sense that Lady Michelle Renouf explains, Yes: Jews created a holocaust of the German people:

    ….and we should take note of the life Attila the Hun, not the Buddha, for an understanding of Pacifism.

    [......]

    Nothing I haven’t read before, nothing which I haven’t described previously as inter-galactic travels through wormholes. TB Contd in the fullness of time.

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    TB Contd in the fullness of time.
     
    ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  155. Is Netanyahu being targeted because he sided with Orban against Soros?

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  156. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wizard of Oz
    The light that suddenly went on when, many years after reading of it, I thought of the Khazar theory, was Yiddish. Basically a German dialect, it was incompatible with the Khazar origin.

    1 – Language origin doesn’t add anything to this controversy at this stage .

    2 Forward is dismissing without citing any new post 2013 DNA analysis.

    3 A blind protocol of DNA analysis ( referred by Forward which raised the issue again )
    by private company shed more light and clues, which instead of ridicule should have been pursued .instead it has suffered the fate of the Antisemitism canard and dismissal from usual racism trope .

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    I would not count on impartiality of DNA research when it comes to Ashkenazi Jews genetic origin.
    For instance see Bennett Greenspan of Family Tree DNA:

    http://www.avotaynuonline.com/2015/06/genetic-census-of-the-jewish-people/
    The urgency of our work is magnified by the fact that the legitimacy of the Jewish people and its claim to our ancestral home is currently under constant pseudo-historical attack. The media, particularly on the web, carries regular features from enemies of Israel describing theories to the effect that Ashkenazi Jews have no connection to the land of Israel and are, in fact, European and Central Asian interlopers.

    FamilyTreeDNA but my colleagues at 23andMe and Ancestry as well — we have found unmistakable evidence that Ashkenazi Jews are closely related to one another, meaning that from a genetic standpoint, all Jews are indeed part of one genetically united people with ample Middle Eastern and Mediterranean forebears.
     
  157. @Sam Shama

    tearing the succinct statement apart:

    1.


    Zionists created Hitler
     
    a. the focus on the solitary person of Hitler is ludicrous; AH scarcely acted alone, nor was he even such a massive driving force. The Jewish declaration of war on Germany refers to “Hitlerites.”
     
    It was the gist of your positions which in the end you claimed to contain the needed devilry; so you commit a bit of self-inflicted vandalism. While Hitler promoted Führerprinzip, an idea he held all his life and textualised since Mein Kampf, no one here claimed he acted alone; it is you, who tilts at windmills.

    b. A Communist-made film from the Cold War era, Council of the gods (Der rat der Götter) discusses the corporations and their CEOs, including American corporations like Standard Oil, that were the main force in the Third Reich; in the film, Hitler is described as a mere spokesman, a gifted rhetorician able to rally the masses to the corporatist agenda.
     
    This betrays an [all too convenient] naivete that political leaders sprout entirely without the patronage of financial/business/corporatist interests. Has never been the case. Hitler had most major German industrialists backing him. Alfried Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach sound familiar? He was found guilty of forcing slave labour in Holland and France. What about I.G. Farben? Siemens? Yes, even the humanitarian Schindler quietly benefitted from Dolf and his boys. Your argument, generalised, implies that leaders have no will and agency of their own. Bravo!

    c. Also intriguing is the role of Ernst Hanfstaengel — was he Hitler’s handler? I suggest that FDR, or at least the Jews surrounding FDR, like Morgenthau and Frankfurter, selected and used — or played — Hitler in a fashion similar to the way USA used Saddam, and then destroyed him and his country.
     
    Putzi Hanfstaengl was a typical rich-boy from Harvard of those days. An easily imaginable dilettante with mild fascist tendencies, he got bowled over by Dolf's oratory and became an overnight convert to Nazism. His family from Munich gave a loan of some $1000 to the Volkischer Beobachter, which must have ingratiated Dolf no end to the Hanfstaengls. Hitler's handler, Putzi was not. LOL. He was, [like a few others] of German heritage, got interned as an enemy alien and spent most of the War in Washington and "advised" the government on Hitler. This apparently a matter of some amusement for both Putzi and his circle of Harvard mates. Washington giveth importance and Washington taketh importance in funny ways.

    d. If “Hitler” had not arisen in Germany, what would have happened? Would Weimar have gone on for generations? Would Germans have allowed the perpetuation of their state of demoralization, impoverishment, cultural debasement?

     

    Ah, I see; we are in the land of counterfactuals. Counterfactualise away! May I ask how many times you have visited and stayed in Germany in the last say, two decades? I have at least on five occasions stayed there for weeks and have friends and colleagues with whom I communicate on a regular basis. I see none of this "demoralization" you keep ranting about. It's a happy and productive society. Total nonsense, this trope about "German cultural debasement"....ad nauseum

    In summary, reductio ad Hitlerum is a ludicrous oversimplification
     

    Yes, and you are guilty of inventing that absurd and polemical charge. Hitler was the arch-nazi but he had the entire apparatus, the entire nation which voted him into power and contributed to that dark period. People associate leaders with good or bad periods. FDR was our great POTUS. Hitler was their great Fuhrer, not so much for the rest of the World.

    a. In the sense that Lady Michelle Renouf explains, Yes: Jews created a holocaust of the German people:
     
    ....and we should take note of the life Attila the Hun, not the Buddha, for an understanding of Pacifism.

    [......]

    Nothing I haven't read before, nothing which I haven't described previously as inter-galactic travels through wormholes. TB Contd in the fullness of time.

    TB Contd in the fullness of time.

    ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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  158. @Art
    Exposing the role of the Jews in the leadup to Hitler in Germany is very important work – but being a Hitler supporter, in any way, is a loser for the good guys

    The Jews have successfully impregnated the Western mind with a negative Hitler meme – so that any use of the word “Hitler” becomes an automatic winner for the Jews. Most people have a negative non-thinking brainstem reaction to the word.

    With that said, there is starting to be a backlash against those who condemn people by referring to them as “Hitler.” The condemnation remains – just its overuse is questioned.

    Think Peace --- Art

    thanks Art.

    Posted earlier, a link to an article by Col. Pat Lang on his blog, SicSemperTyrannis:

    Analysis is not Advocacy.

    Nobody is being a “Hitler Supporter.”

    Telling the other side is what Equal Justice Under Law is all about; neither the “Hitler” nor German side of the story has been told truthfully and accurately — Corvinus goes so far as to argue that the “victor” has the “right” to lie about its war crimes, while the vanquished must dwell perpetually in contemplation of its “atrocities.”

    That Is Not History.

    It is deformed triumphalism.

    Because the American people have never confronted the enormity of their crimes against humanity in WWII (and others), they continue to commit those crimes, killing millions in Viet Nam, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria, Ukraine . . .

    Where does it end?

    When do the American people wake up and realize, O my god, we are subsidizing mass murder on an unprecedented scale!

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  159. Thirdeye says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Oh yeah, of course we should trust the judgment of such a great one as Henry Kissinger (snark),
     
    American diplomacy of the last 50 years can hardly be called successful--in fact, most of it is unmitigated disaster. The American geopolitical thought, from Morgenthau's to Kissinger's "realism" was also rather sterile. One is hardly pressed to consider late Zbig's or Kissinger's platitudes to be of any academic or practical value. It is getting worse, not better, sadly. The only work of some consequence which had a global impact, despite some mistakes, was Huntington's The Clash Of Civilizations--the rest is a collection of bland recycled ideas and grand ignorance of subjects. Paradoxically, late Zbig called on US Armed Forces to shoot Israeli aircraft down if they try to mount bombing raids against Iran.

    The real train wreck in US diplomacy started after Kissinger’s departure. Detente was a good thing – it provided reassurance to the US that facilitated the SALT agreements and leaving Vietnam. So was recognizing the PRC government. So was the INF treaty. Little did we realize that every good thing achieved in US-Russian relations under the Cold War sabre-rattlers Nixon and Reagan would be undone under the smiley faces of Carter, Clinton, and Obama.

    Similarly, everything promising that occurred surrounding Israel was soon undone by bad faith. Camp David mainly led to the screws being tightened on the Palestinians and the Israeli occupation of Lebanon. The Oslo Accord was rendered virtually meaningless within a couple of years by Clinton’s kowtowing to the Israeli right.

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    Wasn't Kissinger involved in the stalling of the Paris Peace Accords that deliberately prolonged the American war in Vietnam leading to the needless loss of vast numbers of lives on both sides?
  160. @Thirdeye
    The real train wreck in US diplomacy started after Kissinger's departure. Detente was a good thing - it provided reassurance to the US that facilitated the SALT agreements and leaving Vietnam. So was recognizing the PRC government. So was the INF treaty. Little did we realize that every good thing achieved in US-Russian relations under the Cold War sabre-rattlers Nixon and Reagan would be undone under the smiley faces of Carter, Clinton, and Obama.

    Similarly, everything promising that occurred surrounding Israel was soon undone by bad faith. Camp David mainly led to the screws being tightened on the Palestinians and the Israeli occupation of Lebanon. The Oslo Accord was rendered virtually meaningless within a couple of years by Clinton's kowtowing to the Israeli right.

    Wasn’t Kissinger involved in the stalling of the Paris Peace Accords that deliberately prolonged the American war in Vietnam leading to the needless loss of vast numbers of lives on both sides?

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  161. Thirdeye says:

    The 40 year Israeli drive to dominate Lebanon continues, but with less and less options that don’t threaten to boil over into a regional war or possibly a global confrontation.

    Phase I: (1970s, manipulating internal actors) Support for Christian and (sometimes) Shia militias to oppose the Palestinian presence in Lebanon and ensure a Lebanese government co-operative to Israel’s desires, prospectively over expanding their water supply to include Lebanese water. Lebanese Shia are relatively weak and isolated. Syria intervenes in the Lebanese civil war to forestall defeat of Shia, but are defeated during Israeli invasions.

    Phase II: (1982-2006, attempts at occupation) Post- Camp David environment used by Israel to invade and occupy Lebanon in 1982. Israeli, and briefly American, occupations of Lebanon and support for Phalangist Christian forces put Sunni-Shia issues on the back burner and solidify opposition to Israel among Shia and Druze. Shia find support from the revolutionary government in Iran and consolidate into Hezbollah. Hezbollah rapidly rises in political and military strength, forces Israelis to withdraw from Beirut in 1986. Israeli efforts to exercise control over southern Lebanon in conjunction with Christian militias fail. Complete loss of control by 2000.

    Phase III: (2006-?, time to call in Sugar Daddy) Unsuccessful attempt at re-occupation shifts strategic focus to defeating allies of Hezbollah with US assistance. Nuclear issue used to hustle US towards war with Iran. US attempt to drive wedge between Syrian government and Hezbollah in 2008 fails. Attempt to overthrow Syrian government with Jihadist insurgency since 2011 fails, consolidates “Shia Arc” resistance and military strength through Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq with support of Iran. Stakes are raised with Russia asserting alliance with Syria and increased co-operation with Iran. Another war hustle underway following failure of Sunni jihadist overthrow in Syria, threatening unilateral action to force overt US military involvement against Iran.

    Anybody who thinks a regional bid to dominate by USrael is going to go smoothly is sadly mistaken. Israel needs to fold their hand on their Lebanon project if they want to avoid disaster.

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  162. RobinG says:

    Israeli Prof. Efraim Inbar on why US should not destroy ISIS:
    “The American administration does not appear capable of recognizing the fact that IS can be a useful tool in undermining Tehran’s ambitious plan for domination of the Middle East.”

    The Destruction of Islamic State is a Strategic Mistake

    https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/destruction-islamic-state-strategic-mistake/

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/31/world/middleeast/un-nuclear-iran-trump.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fworld&action=click&contentCollection=world&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=9&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0

    A read of this article shows how desperate is America to start a war. The narrative doesn't question the illogical , illegal aspect , immoral aspect, and the provocative nature of the activities that US has undertaken to start a war for no benefit to the mankind or the exceptional Americans .

    The anger is high higher and desperation is much poignant when crimes are committed for the benefit of someone else . Being forced to commit a crime invariably morphs into anger against the target .

    The guilt is projected outwards to the victims . The passion it rouses is beyond the access of reason or morality. America in a way is fighting for its own survival . It fought against Saddam for same reason - its own survival. America fighting this war is not real America .It is based within a few acreage in DC.
    , @annamaria
    Who needs new Holocaust museums when there is the Israeli Prof. Efraim Inbar who preaches the realpolitik of war crimes? What is the body count for the US in the Middle East? - in the thousands of maimed, killed, and mentally damaged (the financial estimate of the cost of the Middle Eastern runs well above $6 trillion). What is the cost for the populations of the Middle East? - in the millions of the maimed, killed, and mentally damaged ( including a huge number of children); plus a large number of totally destroyed cities and villages. This moral load has been crushing Israel. Israeli Prof. Efraim Inbar still does not get it. The Israel-firsters' desire to be above the humanities' laws devours Israel: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11
  163. utu says:
    @anon
    1 - Language origin doesn't add anything to this controversy at this stage .

    2 Forward is dismissing without citing any new post 2013 DNA analysis.

    3 A blind protocol of DNA analysis ( referred by Forward which raised the issue again )
    by private company shed more light and clues, which instead of ridicule should have been pursued .instead it has suffered the fate of the Antisemitism canard and dismissal from usual racism trope .

    I would not count on impartiality of DNA research when it comes to Ashkenazi Jews genetic origin.
    For instance see Bennett Greenspan of Family Tree DNA:

    http://www.avotaynuonline.com/2015/06/genetic-census-of-the-jewish-people/
    The urgency of our work is magnified by the fact that the legitimacy of the Jewish people and its claim to our ancestral home is currently under constant pseudo-historical attack. The media, particularly on the web, carries regular features from enemies of Israel describing theories to the effect that Ashkenazi Jews have no connection to the land of Israel and are, in fact, European and Central Asian interlopers.

    FamilyTreeDNA but my colleagues at 23andMe and Ancestry as well — we have found unmistakable evidence that Ashkenazi Jews are closely related to one another, meaning that from a genetic standpoint, all Jews are indeed part of one genetically united people with ample Middle Eastern and Mediterranean forebears.

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  164. “One of the truly great things about Israel is that while they have a lot of corrupt politicians, just like everywhere else, they actually investigate, indict, prosecute, convict and send them to jail”

    Well, ‘everywhere else’ doesn’t include the USA:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4WdagR_FGw

    ^ Evan Wright on Cofer Black’s lieutenant Enrique ‘Ricky’ Prado whose double life as cartel hit-man has been protected due to his top level CIA position. It’s an open secret no USA politician will touch, particularly the Prado-connected former Florida governor & Sen Bob Graham. Not only that, Robert Mueller wouldn’t touch it, James Comey didn’t touch it and the FBI’s newest political street walker, Christopher ‘fae’ Wray, isn’t going to touch it either; despite compelling evidence, subpoenas had been quashed and grand jury disbanded. This, after federal investigators interviewed Prado at CIA headquarters, after which Prado’s problem with law enforcement simply vanished like magic-

    More here:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2017/03/08/the-cias-amazon-books/

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  165. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama
    LOL.

    I'll only observe that you guys ['the Arts' conglomerate] have taken whinging to a whole new Art form.
    Question: Can you remind me how Jews are responsible for Hurricane Harvey?

    Selah

    whinging to a whole new Art form.

    Merriam-Webster:

    Definition of whinge ,whinged, whinging or whingeing

    British intransitive verb
    :
    to complain fretfully
    :
    whine

    Hillbilly Dictionary:

    Massive whining while winging it with the facts.

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  166. geokat62 says:

    hasbarist

    Wiktionary:

    someone who engages in hasbara

    hasbara

    Noun

    public relations efforts to defend abroad the point of view and policies of the State of Israel

    Philosophical Evangelical Dictionary:

    someone who is conveying the god-given truth who should be supported unconditionally with money and advocacy

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    And which dummy said Nazis do not have a sense of humor?
  167. iffen says:
    @geokat62
    hasbarist

    Wiktionary:

    someone who engages in hasbara

    hasbara

    Noun

    public relations efforts to defend abroad the point of view and policies of the State of Israel

    Philosophical Evangelical Dictionary:

    someone who is conveying the god-given truth who should be supported unconditionally with money and advocacy

    And which dummy said Nazis do not have a sense of humor?

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    [And which dummy said Nazis do not have a sense of humor?]

    I may be that dummy, quite guilty as charged. A question I meant to ask you: do you know if foreign non-citizens are allowed to foment political activism on US soil?

    P.S. I think the Hillbilly dictionary definition is more complete

    , @annamaria
    was it a desire to immerse in the Nazi sense of humor that has led the Kagans' clan to a tight collaboration with Ukrainian neo-Nazis? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6LxOyRmj2E
    Kagans' Neo-Nazi friends: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.737239
    More: http://forward.com/opinion/345738/you-want-to-name-streets-after-the-murderers-of-ukraines-jews/
    Nuland's fledglings in Kiev: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9vafHG6VI4 - there were never any Nazi parade in Ukraine before Yatz and Poroschenko came to power
    Is not it humorous that the State Dept. (infested with ziocons) made the US a willing supporter of neo-Nazism in Europe? https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/13/the-mess-that-nuland-made/
  168. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    And which dummy said Nazis do not have a sense of humor?

    [And which dummy said Nazis do not have a sense of humor?]

    I may be that dummy, quite guilty as charged. A question I meant to ask you: do you know if foreign non-citizens are allowed to foment political activism on US soil?

    P.S. I think the Hillbilly dictionary definition is more complete

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    • Replies: @iffen
    do you know if foreign non-citizens are allowed to foment political activism on US soil?

    AFAIK they have some constitutional protections if they are here or under our control. The trend of federal justices for the last few years seems to be toward the concept that everyone on the planet (and elsewhere) is entitled to our protections.

    Rather odd that some people worry about the US wasting taxpayer money on foreign aid, but never worry about paying subsidies to rebuild in a flood plain, two, even three times. How do you suppose they decide which government waste requires immediate attention. What is it about foreign aid? What's the common denominator?

  169. Sam Shama says:
    @Art
    LOL.

    War may be a laughing matter to you Jews on your way to the bank - but I assure you it is NO laughing matter to me or my countrymen.

    The corruption of our political system for the benefit of Jews is becoming more and more apparent. Netanyahu and congress is the low point in American history.

    The Hitler meme is losing its clout – the “six million lie” is losing its punch – and the Jew victim meme is faltering.

    And Yes – LOL about 9/11 while you can!

    Think Peace --- Art

    I never laugh on my way to the bank. Rather contemplative and serious on the contrary. Speaking of serious matters, Art, how are you stocked on Pork and Beans for the coming winter?

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  170. @Miro23

    Israel may indeed start a war with Iran, but it could not do so without a supine U.S. congress willing to betray their country out of cowardice, vanity, ego, ambition, and utter lack of integrity. Never have so many U.S. officials been willing to betray their country. Any war with Iran would have to be fought with American money (tax payer money), armaments, and blood.
    I have the utmost contempt for the U.S. congress, traitors all.
     
    Some time ago, Zionist Anne Applebaum at the Washington Post mapped out how this would work, "Prepare for a War with Iran - In Case Israel Strikes" Feb 23rd 2010. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/22/AR2010022203528.html

    The general idea was that Iran would respond to Israeli bombing by attacking US assets (in which they could be assisted), and the US administration and Congress would do their duty, and patriotically join with Israel in destroying Iran.

    Like she said:


    If that ever happened, then the 2 a.m. phone call (Israel bombing Iran) would be followed by retaliation, some of which would be directed at us, our troops in Iraq, our ships at sea. I don't want this to happen -- but I do want us to be prepared if it does. ..... But I do hope that this administration is ready, militarily and psychologically, not for a war of choice but for an unwanted war of necessity. This is real life, after all, not Hollywood.
     

    Hillary would have been all too ready for that 2:00 am call, just like she announced about the 3:00 am call. One more reason to be glad that she was not elected.

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  171. geokat62 says:

    do you know if foreign non-citizens are allowed to foment political activism on US soil?

    Rich, you have no problem with all these Israel-firsters lobbying on behalf of a foreign country. But you’d like to see a dumb Canadian goy locked up for trying to help America break free from this foreign interference?

    Kind’ a reminds me of the recent scene where (((William Browder))) is testifying before the Senate Judiciary Hearing on, of all things, FARA violations. Here we have a neocon who is keen on destroying the US-Russia relationship sitting across from all these bought-and-paid-for (on behalf of a foreign country) senators calling for Fusion GPS to register under FARA for allegedly lobbying on behalf of Russia.

    The script writers for HBO would die to come up with something with this level of chutzpah.

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  172. Sam Shama says:

    ‘goy’ and ‘chutzpah’ are Yiddish terms and their use requires prior clearance from proper authorities. However, we’ll set the matter aside for now, to say nothing of the other small matter on a sense of humour.

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  173. KA says:
    @RobinG
    Israeli Prof. Efraim Inbar on why US should not destroy ISIS:
    "The American administration does not appear capable of recognizing the fact that IS can be a useful tool in undermining Tehran’s ambitious plan for domination of the Middle East."

    The Destruction of Islamic State is a Strategic Mistake
    https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/destruction-islamic-state-strategic-mistake/

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/31/world/middleeast/un-nuclear-iran-trump.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fworld&action=click&contentCollection=world&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=9&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0

    A read of this article shows how desperate is America to start a war. The narrative doesn’t question the illogical , illegal aspect , immoral aspect, and the provocative nature of the activities that US has undertaken to start a war for no benefit to the mankind or the exceptional Americans .

    The anger is high higher and desperation is much poignant when crimes are committed for the benefit of someone else . Being forced to commit a crime invariably morphs into anger against the target .

    The guilt is projected outwards to the victims . The passion it rouses is beyond the access of reason or morality. America in a way is fighting for its own survival . It fought against Saddam for same reason – its own survival. America fighting this war is not real America .It is based within a few acreage in DC.

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  174. KA says:

    France, along with other members, objected to any adjustments in Unifil’s role — authorizing its soldiers to inspect private homes, for example — that would be seen as infringing on Lebanon’s sovereignty.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/30/world/middleeast/united-nations-security-council-peacekeepers-lebanon-hezbollah-israel.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fmiddleeast

    Wow!!!! Nicky Healy was trying to impose civilian house inspection by UN forces . She has earned her upkeep .

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  175. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama
    [And which dummy said Nazis do not have a sense of humor?]

    I may be that dummy, quite guilty as charged. A question I meant to ask you: do you know if foreign non-citizens are allowed to foment political activism on US soil?

    P.S. I think the Hillbilly dictionary definition is more complete

    do you know if foreign non-citizens are allowed to foment political activism on US soil?

    AFAIK they have some constitutional protections if they are here or under our control. The trend of federal justices for the last few years seems to be toward the concept that everyone on the planet (and elsewhere) is entitled to our protections.

    Rather odd that some people worry about the US wasting taxpayer money on foreign aid, but never worry about paying subsidies to rebuild in a flood plain, two, even three times. How do you suppose they decide which government waste requires immediate attention. What is it about foreign aid? What’s the common denominator?

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    [Rather odd that some people worry about the US wasting taxpayer money on foreign aid, but never worry about paying subsidies to rebuild in a flood plain, two, even three times. How do you suppose they decide which government waste requires immediate attention. What is it about foreign aid? What’s the common denominator?]

    Foreign aid? Well of course we can't have a nation of Jews amongst the recipients, can we? No, no, won't do at all. Which govt. spending requires vigilance you ask? Altogether uncivilised to surmise antisemitism has anything to do with it, mind you, but the bloody Jews don't pay taxes, do they? What's a Canuck's concern you ask? Well, it's complicated you know, Greek philosophy and all that; something about sticking your nose inside other people's spending habits. Fellow called Plato, something or the other, said something or the other. Well, must be off, got the bi-weekly meeting of the Volkisher Beobachter to attend. Good blokes the Volk, serve a decent ale, they do.


    I think your post sent our resident guardian of high morals on his way to another spittle-inflected fit.
    , @Anon
    Foreign aid is foreign.That's the big reason.

    Depending on the circumstances it smacks either of imperialism or of tribute-- generally the former in the case of the U.S.
  176. @Greg Bacon
    Both Netenyahu and his wife are under investigations for corruption.

    By now, per our Overlord's orders to its Congressional minions, Syria should of been totally destroyed and Assad given a bayonet enema, freeing up the Pentagon to attack Iran.

    But Putin stepped in and upset the Great Game. So our Occupier--Israel--will find another way to turn its private merc Army--The Pentagon--loose on Iran.

    Does 'Lucky Larry' Silverstein own any more asbestos laced skyscrapers?

    Indeed.

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  177. geokat62 says:

    What is it about foreign aid?

    Let me rephrase this to make it more accurate:

    What is it about foreign wars for the Jewish state?

    I know what you mean. I don’t know why some people get so hung up about all these trivial wars. I mean, it’s not like they’re interfering with our daily activities, right? We can still go about our lives watching professional sports on the boob tube, keeping up with the fake news being spouted on Russia-gate and other really important stuff like whether Kim Kardasian’s ass has grown an inch or two from the last time they checked. I mean, what’s with these people who insist on endlessly talking about these wars.. and some are not even citizens of this country, for god’s sake.

    For Christ’s sake, what are they, some kind of pacifists or something?

    And where are their priorities? Here they are, endlessly crying about these silly foreign wars that are costing the taxpayer a measly $6,000,000,000,000.00, when the gov’t is pumping who knows what, I bet a few million at least, to rebuild in a flood plain, two, even three times. What’s with that?

    Anyway, you’d think the stink from the swamp would keep these busy bodies away, but no such luck. Maybe, we should just invade them, again. That’s probably the only way to shut these people up. What’s the cost of one more war compared to the all those we’ve already launched. I’m sure our grandchildren and great grandchildren will understand. And, at least our GDP is really trending well… right, Sam? Sam? Sam!

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  178. @anon
    Wolfowitz is neither a wolf nor a sheep but a bastard who should be put on trial for mass murder .His wet dream of killing as many as possible started actually in 1979 as documented in SUNSHINE WARRIOR (NYT) revealed through his mad hatred for Iraqi leader .
    He continued down that path In the process he forced the administration to ignore real danger . His monumental blunder was by design . He let 911 happen by forcing intelligence to focus on Saddam not on Al Quida from 1993 WTC bombing until August of 2001.

    He is a murderer pure and simple.

    A pure and simple murderer. I like it.

    It makes one wonder who qualifies. No messing round with torture allowed obviously. No rape.

    I think suicide bombers almost all qualify with Gold status medals. Bomber pilots, navigators and bombaimers** Bronze I think, with Silver status for almost anyone firing a missile.

    Anyway, here’s to PW the pure and simple (whom even his mother wouldn’t recognise).

    **another odd bit of terminology when you think how little “aiming” WW2 bimbaimers did.

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    http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full

    Yiddish is Irano-Turkic-Slavic in origin , a language that evolved over the years from intermingling of languages , contribution from converted Jewish linguistic differences and from need to maintain secrecy
  179. ritzl says:

    Netanhaha can jump up and down all he wants. There will be no meaningful military counter to expanding Iranian regional influence. War with Iran would end economic life as we know it. Oil prices would go to $300++/bbl. Gasoline to $10+++/gal. Forever.

    Finito.

    Given the heightened economic fragility today – personal and systemic – t would make the 70s look like a Parker Bros board game. No even marginally sane pol/military planner would risk that.

    Plus, the same marginally sane planners have to see the crystal-clear self-destructive effects of Israel’s decades-long destabilization policies and see (but maybe not) that pursuing that broad course of action (in which war with Iran is a major part, as was “regime change” in Syria) leads to the exact opposite result of the intended outcome. ZERO credibility and cratering influence. Isolation.

    The effects of US obsequiousness to the exclusive core tenet of Israeli interests – instability everywhere, at any cost [to others] – has motivated/created:

    • BRICS+Iran [+Turkey???] (BRIICS[T?]) (significant movement toward rational/independent/war-as-LAST-resort international relations)
    • One Belt, One Road (OBOR) (integrating/uniting, +/-, south, central, east Asia)
    • Eroding SWIFT/Petrodollar primacy (as mechanism of non-military aggression)
    • Cohesive, real, though ad hoc, military alliance in Syria with China providing reconstruction support.
    • Etc., Etc., more to come…

    It’s all moving in the direction of the end of the US imperial era. The timeframe is TBD, (glacial to precipitous) to be sure, but the early trends and markers are clear with respect to dynamic, trend, and direction. Netanyahu’s recent behavior is but the 5-legged frog of total system collapse.

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  180. Corvinus says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    just read a few more lines.


    so sad.

    a smart guy like you hold yourself out to be and the best you can muster is Shirer and "Hitler stole my homework."

    (this on top of "Hitler = virus because Hungary in the 1700s" .
    You sh*&%$ng me Sam? Hungary in 1765??? Is there an emoticon for horselaugh?)

    you're becoming pathetic, Sam.

    back to the hammer & chisel.

    The comparison you make between the Syrian and American situation in that negotiations ought to have occurred because the is moot, considering the situations are markedly different in their causes and in their competing assessments by outsiders.

    “Sherman set a precedent that has only been magnified as it rampages throughout the world killing innocents in the name of “victory.””

    Sherman set no precedent, he merely extended the courtesies of war as conducted by ancient civilizations and European powers.

    Assad and the South each engaged in tyrannical conduct which resulted in citizens opposing that tyranny by taking up arms. The justification? Moral imperative. However, in war, as has been demonstrated repeatedly throughout human history, it is our nature to create and destroy, so the gloves come off. Just War Theory? Nice and tidy. But war is nasty, and that is our reality. Not surprisingly, outsiders either during the conflict or after the fact put their own spin on the narrative by claiming the “rebels can’t win” and thus “negotiations ought to have been employed”. Sounds logical and reasonable.

    Except, there is this thing called persistency. Rebels generally remain dedicated to advancing their cause against their fellow countrymen, regardless of the perceived odds to achieve victory. In the case of the American Civil War, there was no impending “stalemate”, as the Union armies were gaining territorial ground and the Confederacy was being slowly strangled by the naval blockade. The South, despite being on the verge of collapse, was steadfast in their desire to maintain their pride and dignity in the face of adversity.

    However, the Confederacy had every opportunity to surrender. There need not be any effort by the North to offer concessions, for the South was other than repentant in their attitudes and actions. The negotiations had taken already taken place–the decision was left to the South to abolish slavery and acknowledge the sanctity of the union. They outright refused. Note Lee’s letters echoed the southern ultimatum that state’s rights usurp the authority of the federal government. In this vein, Lincoln and Sherman crafted a policy that, while vile, was designed to break the spirit of a group of people who had engaged in the absolutism of the sovereign will–the protection of the “peculiar institution”. This strategy, while cruel, was predicated on purging the immoral action known as slavery once and for all from our land–since wise and civilized people do not place in perpetual bondage their fellow human beings. Consent, be damned!

    Civilian casualties in armed conflict is deplorable, especially when the trigger is pulled by their fellow citizens. As I made it abundantly clear in a past thread, it could be argued that Sherman committed a war crime. However, southern men, women, and children in non-combat zones were other than innocent, for they willfully supported a government that condoned slavery–a moral evil–and who supported the Confederacy–an illegitimate government–and who engaged as soldiers in war similar acts of aggression and violence as their northern counterparts. Take into account the myriad of premeditated, murderous offenses committed by southerners during the war. See Quantrill’s Raid. The Confederacy employed the same logic as Sherman. Are you vocal in your condemnation of their tactics, or just “Yankees”?

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  181. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    do you know if foreign non-citizens are allowed to foment political activism on US soil?

    AFAIK they have some constitutional protections if they are here or under our control. The trend of federal justices for the last few years seems to be toward the concept that everyone on the planet (and elsewhere) is entitled to our protections.

    Rather odd that some people worry about the US wasting taxpayer money on foreign aid, but never worry about paying subsidies to rebuild in a flood plain, two, even three times. How do you suppose they decide which government waste requires immediate attention. What is it about foreign aid? What's the common denominator?

    [Rather odd that some people worry about the US wasting taxpayer money on foreign aid, but never worry about paying subsidies to rebuild in a flood plain, two, even three times. How do you suppose they decide which government waste requires immediate attention. What is it about foreign aid? What’s the common denominator?]

    Foreign aid? Well of course we can’t have a nation of Jews amongst the recipients, can we? No, no, won’t do at all. Which govt. spending requires vigilance you ask? Altogether uncivilised to surmise antisemitism has anything to do with it, mind you, but the bloody Jews don’t pay taxes, do they? What’s a Canuck’s concern you ask? Well, it’s complicated you know, Greek philosophy and all that; something about sticking your nose inside other people’s spending habits. Fellow called Plato, something or the other, said something or the other. Well, must be off, got the bi-weekly meeting of the Volkisher Beobachter to attend. Good blokes the Volk, serve a decent ale, they do.

    I think your post sent our resident guardian of high morals on his way to another spittle-inflected fit.

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  182. geokat62 says:

    Altogether uncivilised to surmise antisemitism has anything to do with it,

    With any discussion, it’s imperative the proper usage of terms is strictly adhered to. For example, it appears that a few people are bent on promoting the idea (whether implicitly or explicitly) that an antisemite is “someone who hates the policies organized Jewry are promoting” as opposed to the more generally accepted definition of “someone who simply hates Jews.”

    I think Findley does a good job explaining why some might be keen on using the false charge of antisemitism:

    Let it be said that neither I nor any of those with whom I associate would ever engage in or endorse anti-Semitism, namely, hatred or persecution of Jews based on their race or religion. But it is a lamentable fact that all too often the calculated, knowingly false charge of anti-Semitism is used as a means of preventing rational discussion even in matters of life and death importance, or to crush political opposition that might otherwise prevail in a reasoned debate. Nowhere can a greater necessity for free and open debate be found than among the ranks of the neoconservatives in the top echelons of our government —many of whom just happen to be Jewish —who have, in my view, led our nation to the brink of disaster. I hope that this book will motivate the American people to demand fundamental change in the way in which public policy is formed by our elected officials: That is, without fear of intimidation from any ethnic or ideological group, but with only the best interests of our nation in mind (emphasis added). – former congressman, Paul Findley, Foreward to The Transparent Cabal

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    Do you agree with the following?

    1) AIPAC should be required to register as a lobby.
    2) Israel should stop snatching little pieces of the West Bank.
    3) Israel should offer reasonable compensation to displaced Palestinians and their immediate descendants. (Nothing for absentee landlords.)
    4) It should be a federal offense for an elected official or government bureaucrat to accept paid expenses from any individual or organization.
    , @iffen
    it appears that a few people are bent on promoting the idea (whether implicitly or explicitly) that an antisemite is “someone who hates the policies organized Jewry are promoting” as opposed to the more generally accepted definition of “someone who simply hates Jews.”

    Do wish to apply this to me? Don't use any weasel language, yes or no?
  183. annamaria says:
    @RobinG
    Israeli Prof. Efraim Inbar on why US should not destroy ISIS:
    "The American administration does not appear capable of recognizing the fact that IS can be a useful tool in undermining Tehran’s ambitious plan for domination of the Middle East."

    The Destruction of Islamic State is a Strategic Mistake
    https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/destruction-islamic-state-strategic-mistake/

    Who needs new Holocaust museums when there is the Israeli Prof. Efraim Inbar who preaches the realpolitik of war crimes? What is the body count for the US in the Middle East? – in the thousands of maimed, killed, and mentally damaged (the financial estimate of the cost of the Middle Eastern runs well above $6 trillion). What is the cost for the populations of the Middle East? – in the millions of the maimed, killed, and mentally damaged ( including a huge number of children); plus a large number of totally destroyed cities and villages. This moral load has been crushing Israel. Israeli Prof. Efraim Inbar still does not get it. The Israel-firsters’ desire to be above the humanities’ laws devours Israel: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11

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  184. annamaria says:
    @iffen
    And which dummy said Nazis do not have a sense of humor?

    was it a desire to immerse in the Nazi sense of humor that has led the Kagans’ clan to a tight collaboration with Ukrainian neo-Nazis? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6LxOyRmj2E
    Kagans’ Neo-Nazi friends: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.737239
    More: http://forward.com/opinion/345738/you-want-to-name-streets-after-the-murderers-of-ukraines-jews/
    Nuland’s fledglings in Kiev: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9vafHG6VI4 – there were never any Nazi parade in Ukraine before Yatz and Poroschenko came to power
    Is not it humorous that the State Dept. (infested with ziocons) made the US a willing supporter of neo-Nazism in Europe? https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/13/the-mess-that-nuland-made/

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  185. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Altogether uncivilised to surmise antisemitism has anything to do with it,
     
    With any discussion, it's imperative the proper usage of terms is strictly adhered to. For example, it appears that a few people are bent on promoting the idea (whether implicitly or explicitly) that an antisemite is "someone who hates the policies organized Jewry are promoting" as opposed to the more generally accepted definition of "someone who simply hates Jews."

    I think Findley does a good job explaining why some might be keen on using the false charge of antisemitism:

    Let it be said that neither I nor any of those with whom I associate would ever engage in or endorse anti-Semitism, namely, hatred or persecution of Jews based on their race or religion. But it is a lamentable fact that all too often the calculated, knowingly false charge of anti-Semitism is used as a means of preventing rational discussion even in matters of life and death importance, or to crush political opposition that might otherwise prevail in a reasoned debate. Nowhere can a greater necessity for free and open debate be found than among the ranks of the neoconservatives in the top echelons of our government —many of whom just happen to be Jewish —who have, in my view, led our nation to the brink of disaster. I hope that this book will motivate the American people to demand fundamental change in the way in which public policy is formed by our elected officials: That is, without fear of intimidation from any ethnic or ideological group, but with only the best interests of our nation in mind (emphasis added). - former congressman, Paul Findley, Foreward to The Transparent Cabal
     

    Do you agree with the following?

    1) AIPAC should be required to register as a lobby.
    2) Israel should stop snatching little pieces of the West Bank.
    3) Israel should offer reasonable compensation to displaced Palestinians and their immediate descendants. (Nothing for absentee landlords.)
    4) It should be a federal offense for an elected official or government bureaucrat to accept paid expenses from any individual or organization.

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  186. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Altogether uncivilised to surmise antisemitism has anything to do with it,
     
    With any discussion, it's imperative the proper usage of terms is strictly adhered to. For example, it appears that a few people are bent on promoting the idea (whether implicitly or explicitly) that an antisemite is "someone who hates the policies organized Jewry are promoting" as opposed to the more generally accepted definition of "someone who simply hates Jews."

    I think Findley does a good job explaining why some might be keen on using the false charge of antisemitism:

    Let it be said that neither I nor any of those with whom I associate would ever engage in or endorse anti-Semitism, namely, hatred or persecution of Jews based on their race or religion. But it is a lamentable fact that all too often the calculated, knowingly false charge of anti-Semitism is used as a means of preventing rational discussion even in matters of life and death importance, or to crush political opposition that might otherwise prevail in a reasoned debate. Nowhere can a greater necessity for free and open debate be found than among the ranks of the neoconservatives in the top echelons of our government —many of whom just happen to be Jewish —who have, in my view, led our nation to the brink of disaster. I hope that this book will motivate the American people to demand fundamental change in the way in which public policy is formed by our elected officials: That is, without fear of intimidation from any ethnic or ideological group, but with only the best interests of our nation in mind (emphasis added). - former congressman, Paul Findley, Foreward to The Transparent Cabal
     

    it appears that a few people are bent on promoting the idea (whether implicitly or explicitly) that an antisemite is “someone who hates the policies organized Jewry are promoting” as opposed to the more generally accepted definition of “someone who simply hates Jews.”

    Do wish to apply this to me? Don’t use any weasel language, yes or no?

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  187. geokat62 says:

    Don’t use any weasel language…

    I’ve written over 2,000 comments. I invite anyone to provide examples that show I’m guilty of using weasel language.

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  188. Sam Shama says:

    [I’ve written over 2,000 comments. I invite anyone to provide examples that show I’m guilty of using weasel language.]

    No search is possible for a thematic such as “weasel language” in the archives. Not answering the questions directly and simply, is an example of what any down home thesaurus might term “weasely”.

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    • Replies: @iffen

    Do wish to apply this to me? Don’t use any weasel language, yes or no?
     
    Weasel language, exhibit 1:

    I’ve written over 2,000 comments. I invite anyone to provide examples that show I’m guilty of using weasel language.

  189. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama
    [I’ve written over 2,000 comments. I invite anyone to provide examples that show I’m guilty of using weasel language.]

    No search is possible for a thematic such as "weasel language" in the archives. Not answering the questions directly and simply, is an example of what any down home thesaurus might term "weasely".

    Do wish to apply this to me? Don’t use any weasel language, yes or no?

    Weasel language, exhibit 1:

    I’ve written over 2,000 comments. I invite anyone to provide examples that show I’m guilty of using weasel language.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    The ziocons are very, very upset about the approaching end of the slaughter in Syria: http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/breaking-syrian-army-liberate-sites.html
    Hence the circus in DC: https://www.rt.com/news/401842-trade-mission-dc-closed/
    Only Israelis (and Israel-firsters) could be so insensitive to the coming Labor Day.
    By the way, your post 188 sounds reasonable
  190. geokat62 says:

    No search is possible for a thematic such as “weasel language” in the archives.

    So, unable to produce anything to backup the charge that I’m guilty of using “weasel language,” it appears we have now morphed into the territory of being “weasley” for not responding to each and every question put to me.

    Tell you what, why don’t you try doing a comparison of the number of questions that have been put to the two of us and see who has refused to answer the greater number? I think I have a sneaking suspicion who’ll win by a landslide.

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  191. annamaria says:
    @iffen

    Do wish to apply this to me? Don’t use any weasel language, yes or no?
     
    Weasel language, exhibit 1:

    I’ve written over 2,000 comments. I invite anyone to provide examples that show I’m guilty of using weasel language.

    The ziocons are very, very upset about the approaching end of the slaughter in Syria: http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/breaking-syrian-army-liberate-sites.html
    Hence the circus in DC: https://www.rt.com/news/401842-trade-mission-dc-closed/
    Only Israelis (and Israel-firsters) could be so insensitive to the coming Labor Day.
    By the way, your post 188 sounds reasonable

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    • Replies: @geokat62
    Spot on, annamaria.

    I would make one minor adjustment:

    Only Israelis (and Israel-firsters, including their xtian Zionist brethren who are being used as tools) could be so insensitive to the coming Labor Day.
     
  192. KA says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    A pure and simple murderer. I like it.

    It makes one wonder who qualifies. No messing round with torture allowed obviously. No rape.

    I think suicide bombers almost all qualify with Gold status medals. Bomber pilots, navigators and bombaimers** Bronze I think, with Silver status for almost anyone firing a missile.

    Anyway, here's to PW the pure and simple (whom even his mother wouldn't recognise).

    **another odd bit of terminology when you think how little "aiming" WW2 bimbaimers did.

    http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full

    Yiddish is Irano-Turkic-Slavic in origin , a language that evolved over the years from intermingling of languages , contribution from converted Jewish linguistic differences and from need to maintain secrecy

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Thanks for that fascinating link. There are a number of people I shall pass it on to in the hope of informed comment. I particularly like the idea of Greg Cochran taking the authors on if they have stuffed up somewhere. My only suspicion would be that the samples are not large enough and perhaps not sufficiently random amongst AJs.

    One thing I find myself reminding people of boringly often is the rate of population growth from sometimes very small, maybe bottlenecked, samples of the original population.
  193. geokat62 says:

    Do you agree with the following?

    I agree with:

    1. public money for public elections
    2. all foreign agents must register under FARA
    3. no more wars for Israel
    4. end the occupation, now
    5. the perpetrators of the illegal invasion of Iraq, Libya, and the destruction of Syria must be brought to justice
    6. the perpetrators of torture must be brought to justice
    7. no dual citizens in positions of high office
    8. all those countries who have, or are suspected of having, nuclear weapons must become a signatory of the NPT
    9. no more tribute paid to Israel
    10. no more UN vetoes for Israel

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Even though you weaseled out of my list, I will answer yours.

    1. public money for public elections No
    2. all foreign agents must register under FARA Yes
    3. no more wars for Israel ?
    4. end the occupation, now ?
    5. the perpetrators of the illegal invasion of Iraq, Libya, and the destruction of Syria must be brought to justice No way for this to take place.
    6. the perpetrators of torture must be brought to justice ?
    7. no dual citizens in positions of high office Yes
    8. all those countries who have, or are suspected of having, nuclear weapons must become a signatory of the NPT Yes
    9. no more tribute paid to Israel Israel is a big boy now and does not need foreign aid.
    10. no more UN vetoes for Israel No
  194. geokat62 says:
    @annamaria
    The ziocons are very, very upset about the approaching end of the slaughter in Syria: http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/breaking-syrian-army-liberate-sites.html
    Hence the circus in DC: https://www.rt.com/news/401842-trade-mission-dc-closed/
    Only Israelis (and Israel-firsters) could be so insensitive to the coming Labor Day.
    By the way, your post 188 sounds reasonable

    Spot on, annamaria.

    I would make one minor adjustment:

    Only Israelis (and Israel-firsters, including their xtian Zionist brethren who are being used as tools) could be so insensitive to the coming Labor Day.

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  195. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Do you agree with the following?
     
    I agree with:

    1. public money for public elections
    2. all foreign agents must register under FARA
    3. no more wars for Israel
    4. end the occupation, now
    5. the perpetrators of the illegal invasion of Iraq, Libya, and the destruction of Syria must be brought to justice
    6. the perpetrators of torture must be brought to justice
    7. no dual citizens in positions of high office
    8. all those countries who have, or are suspected of having, nuclear weapons must become a signatory of the NPT
    9. no more tribute paid to Israel
    10. no more UN vetoes for Israel
     

    Even though you weaseled out of my list, I will answer yours.

    1. public money for public elections No
    2. all foreign agents must register under FARA Yes
    3. no more wars for Israel ?
    4. end the occupation, now ?
    5. the perpetrators of the illegal invasion of Iraq, Libya, and the destruction of Syria must be brought to justice No way for this to take place.
    6. the perpetrators of torture must be brought to justice ?
    7. no dual citizens in positions of high office Yes
    8. all those countries who have, or are suspected of having, nuclear weapons must become a signatory of the NPT Yes
    9. no more tribute paid to Israel Israel is a big boy now and does not need foreign aid.
    10. no more UN vetoes for Israel No

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  196. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Art
    Lastly, Of course I want no war with Iran, nor is there going to be one, if I am correct in my reckoning.

    Sorry Mr. Sam - you cannot have it every way - you cannot support Israel and not support an Iran war. Israel wants an Iran war.

    You have said that most Israelis are not religious - but they claim that god gave them Israel.

    Your statements are logically inconsistent. Me thinks that you are trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

    The Jew agenda means war for my country – if I complain about Jew group advocacy for war, Jews call me an anti-Semite – a Nazi – a skinhead. You attack my freedom to speak.

    You say there is going to be no war – oh great! (Thank you Mr. Sam.)

    Why is America being put in this position in the first place – why are we spending our time on this false fear and hyped hate - why are we not free to fix our internal problems caused by Jew manipulation of our financial system?

    Why does America have to contend with this endless Jew cabal of hate for others. There is something very wrong with the Jews.

    Think Peace --- Art

    There is something very wrong with the Jews.

    Well, Talmud itself is promising supremacy if the chosen ones embrace fear, bloodshed, parasitism and psychopathy. The sheer depth of evil contained within is testing my lack of religious faith.

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    • Replies: @Art

    There is something very wrong with the Jews.

    Well, Talmud itself is promising supremacy if the chosen ones embrace fear, bloodshed, parasitism and psychopathy. The sheer depth of evil contained within is testing my lack of religious faith.
     
    I am always amazed at the individual and group dishonesty of the Jews. If there is a genetic trait for honesty – the Jews do not have it.

    Mr. Sam says that he is anti Iran war – yet his country - Israel - is demanding that we attack Iran. Mr. Sam says that most Israelis are not religious – yet the whole pathos of Israel’s existence is that god gave them the land. Mr. Sam says that Jews do not control congress – yet at its lowest point ever – it gave Netanyahu 29 standing ovations.

    Mr. Sam has no problem with these inconsistencies. If we question him, he attacks us! He gets mean and says, “shut up you moralists!”

    Looking at Israel and all they do daily, and have done to the Palestinians, the Jews are not only dishonest, but also very mean. What is the cause of these inferior traits?

    Hmm - is it nature or nurture – I have hope - me thinks mostly nurture.

    Think Peace --- Art
  197. iffen says:
    @geokat62
    Spot on, annamaria.

    I would make one minor adjustment:

    Only Israelis (and Israel-firsters, including their xtian Zionist brethren who are being used as tools) could be so insensitive to the coming Labor Day.
     

    Keep your fucking weasel hands off Labor Day.

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Missed this one earlier. Damn straight. Hasn't he got Canuckland to inflict all his righteous weaselisms?
  198. geokat62 says:

    Even though you weaseled out of my list, I will answer yours.

    Listen, I have one condition for reciprocating with responses to queries thst are put to me. I think you can figure out what that is. Until and unless that condition is met, I have no obligation to reciprocate.

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    • Replies: @schmenz
    Geo,

    I admire your fortitude in answering this puffed-up self-important bore but frankly it really is a waste of time. You'd have more success standing up before a brick wall and talking to it.

    What I do is simply skip over his comments. Life is too short.
  199. This article and the comments on it demonstrate, once again, that people who are the most obsessed with Israel have 0 understanding of Israeli politics.

    First of all, Bibi would never order an attack on Iran. It just isn’t in his DNA. You would know this if you weren’t totally retarded.

    Secondly, and more importantly, if Netanyahu did in fact order an attack, there would be a military coup. The Israeli military is dominated by leftists who would never dream of attacking Iran in a billion years. This is something that anybody with the most rudimentary knowledge of Israeli politics understands.

    Learn something about Israeli politics before spouting off like the retards you are.

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    • Troll: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    I certainly agree with this, and I put it in straightforward language to the assembled geniuses upthread in #144, that there will be no war with Iran. But they've created their own pantomime in which each plays their self-absorbed parts. Not a single of these geniuses has a clue as to how things work in Israeli politics or the role of the army. It amazing to watch the level of uninformed opinions flying around.
    , @anonymous
    "US will allow Iranian forces in Syria to operate within 8 km of Israel" by Andrew Illingworth

    an agreement to allow both actual Iranian forces and Iranian proxies in Syria to establish bases as close as eight kilometers to both the Jordanian and Israeli borders was recently reached between US and Russian diplomats following talks in Jordan.
     
    The Reasons for Netanyahu’s Panic, by Alistair Crooke

    A very senior Israeli intelligence delegation, a week ago, visited Washington. Then, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu broke into President Putin’s summer holiday to meet him in Sochi, where, according to a senior Israeli government official (as cited in the Jerusalem Post), Netanyahu threatened to bomb the Presidential Palace in Damascus, and to disrupt and nullify the Astana cease-fire process, should Iran continue to “extend its reach in Syria.”

    Russia’s Pravda wrote, “according to eyewitnesses of the open part of the talks, the Israeli prime minister was too emotional and at times even close to panic. He described a picture of the apocalypse to the Russian president that the world may see, if no efforts are taken to contain Iran, which, as Netanyahu believes, is determined to destroy Israel.”
     

    if the comments to the Consortium News item are an indication, anti semitism has exhausted its shelf life; schadenfreude appeals to pent-up demand -- or frustration; it's the next new thing.

    tic
    tic
    tic
    your 15 kosher minutes are up

    , @geokat62

    First of all, Bibi would never order an attack on Iran.
     
    While it may be true that Israel itself is unlikely to launch an attack against Iran, the concern is that they'll once again get the US to do their dirty work for them, just as they did in the case of Iraq.

    We all vividly remember the ratcheting up of the propaganda machine against Iraq in the run up to the invasion. Talk of mushroom clouds, mobile chemical weapons labs, the possibility of additional, more widespread anthrax attacks, prepped the American people for war. The concern is the The Lobby may choose to initiate a replay of this scene, this time with Iran in the crosshairs.

    Here's a quote that helps put things into perspective:


    Sharon's comments notwithstanding, by early 2002, when it was becom­ing increasingly apparent that the Bush administration was thinking seri­ously about another war against Iraq, some Israeli leaders told U.S. officials that they thought Iran was a greater threat. They were not opposed to top­pling Saddam, however, and Israel's leaders, who are rarely reticent when it comes to giving their American counterparts advice, never tried to convince the Bush administration not to go to war against Iraq. Nor did the Israeli government ever try to mobilize its supporters in the United States to lobby against the invasion. On the contrary, Israeli leaders were worried only that the United States might lose sight of the Iranian threat in its pursuit of Sad­dam. Once they realized that the Bush administration was countenancing a bolder scheme, one that called for winning quickly in Iraq and then dealing with Iran and Syria, they began to push vigorously for an American invasion. - Mearsheimer and Walt, The Israel Lobby, pp. 233, 234
     
    That's why I agree with Giraldi's concluding sentence:

    It is time to say “no” when Israel comes knocking.
     
  200. Art says:
    @Anonymous

    There is something very wrong with the Jews.
     
    Well, Talmud itself is promising supremacy if the chosen ones embrace fear, bloodshed, parasitism and psychopathy. The sheer depth of evil contained within is testing my lack of religious faith.

    There is something very wrong with the Jews.

    Well, Talmud itself is promising supremacy if the chosen ones embrace fear, bloodshed, parasitism and psychopathy. The sheer depth of evil contained within is testing my lack of religious faith.

    I am always amazed at the individual and group dishonesty of the Jews. If there is a genetic trait for honesty – the Jews do not have it.

    Mr. Sam says that he is anti Iran war – yet his country – Israel – is demanding that we attack Iran. Mr. Sam says that most Israelis are not religious – yet the whole pathos of Israel’s existence is that god gave them the land. Mr. Sam says that Jews do not control congress – yet at its lowest point ever – it gave Netanyahu 29 standing ovations.

    Mr. Sam has no problem with these inconsistencies. If we question him, he attacks us! He gets mean and says, “shut up you moralists!”

    Looking at Israel and all they do daily, and have done to the Palestinians, the Jews are not only dishonest, but also very mean. What is the cause of these inferior traits?

    Hmm – is it nature or nurture – I have hope – me thinks mostly nurture.

    Think Peace — Art

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Listen, you miserable collection of pipsqueaks writing under the moniker 'Art'. For the very last time, just like any people, Jews have a diversity of opinions and positions. Nothing I said is inconsistent or different from that fact. The Israeli majority is indeed non-religious to somewhat religious. Most in those categories make no claim about divine inheritance. These people hold the classic Zionist view that Israel is the ancient homeland and refuge for ingathering Jews and they have won it fair and square, employing means that every group in the history of Mankind has, from political dealmaking, persuasion, diplomacy, aggressive and defensive wars etc. In order to get them out of there, you'll need to wage war. Ready for it, whinging genius?

    The religious Jews believe that G'd gave them the land and if you are looking for primacy of inhabitance on the land, their position gets has unassailable seniority.

    Look at Greasy's post earlier and get your head around to understanding the positions of Netanyahu, the army, and the population. Bibi will never attack Iran. The hard right will if they get a chance, because Iran wishes to wipe Israel off. The hard right could not be bothered to go on deep dive and "understand" what the Iranian leaders mean when they say they want to destroy the "Zionist Entity". The majority of the population does not want to wage war with Iran, but feels a pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear installations may be needed to avoid the possibility of a nuclear armed Iran; again, the army will never let that happen.

    Control Congress? Yes, to the extent that you and the rest of this country of which I am a citizen [no I do not have Israeli citizenship] have a system of elections and government that require large sums of money to operate. If you want it remedied, work on a revolution. I wish you NO success because that would be a success of good fortune and good fortune is wasted on dishonest moralisers. But I don't think you have the makings of a revolutionary as don't any of your whinging mates. None of you has the vision or the upstairs apparatus to have long-view of the world or where it is going.

    Stock up on the Pork and Beans.

    P.S. You shouldn't talk about inconsistency. Your first and last sentences are mostly contradictory.
  201. Sam Shama says:
    @Greasy William
    This article and the comments on it demonstrate, once again, that people who are the most obsessed with Israel have 0 understanding of Israeli politics.

    First of all, Bibi would never order an attack on Iran. It just isn't in his DNA. You would know this if you weren't totally retarded.

    Secondly, and more importantly, if Netanyahu did in fact order an attack, there would be a military coup. The Israeli military is dominated by leftists who would never dream of attacking Iran in a billion years. This is something that anybody with the most rudimentary knowledge of Israeli politics understands.

    Learn something about Israeli politics before spouting off like the retards you are.

    I certainly agree with this, and I put it in straightforward language to the assembled geniuses upthread in #144, that there will be no war with Iran. But they’ve created their own pantomime in which each plays their self-absorbed parts. Not a single of these geniuses has a clue as to how things work in Israeli politics or the role of the army. It amazing to watch the level of uninformed opinions flying around.

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    • Replies: @Greasy William
    Uninformed would be fine. It's the combination of ignorance, stupidity and sheer delusion mixed with totally unjustified certainty that completes the Unz antisemitic writer/commetariat cocktail.

    You could show the stuff written about Israel on Unz to Assad or Ahmadinejad and they would shake their heads in disbelief at how out to lunch it is. The people here simply live in an alternate reality.
  202. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Greasy William
    This article and the comments on it demonstrate, once again, that people who are the most obsessed with Israel have 0 understanding of Israeli politics.

    First of all, Bibi would never order an attack on Iran. It just isn't in his DNA. You would know this if you weren't totally retarded.

    Secondly, and more importantly, if Netanyahu did in fact order an attack, there would be a military coup. The Israeli military is dominated by leftists who would never dream of attacking Iran in a billion years. This is something that anybody with the most rudimentary knowledge of Israeli politics understands.

    Learn something about Israeli politics before spouting off like the retards you are.

    “US will allow Iranian forces in Syria to operate within 8 km of Israel” by Andrew Illingworth

    an agreement to allow both actual Iranian forces and Iranian proxies in Syria to establish bases as close as eight kilometers to both the Jordanian and Israeli borders was recently reached between US and Russian diplomats following talks in Jordan.

    The Reasons for Netanyahu’s Panic, by Alistair Crooke

    A very senior Israeli intelligence delegation, a week ago, visited Washington. Then, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu broke into President Putin’s summer holiday to meet him in Sochi, where, according to a senior Israeli government official (as cited in the Jerusalem Post), Netanyahu threatened to bomb the Presidential Palace in Damascus, and to disrupt and nullify the Astana cease-fire process, should Iran continue to “extend its reach in Syria.”

    Russia’s Pravda wrote, “according to eyewitnesses of the open part of the talks, the Israeli prime minister was too emotional and at times even close to panic. He described a picture of the apocalypse to the Russian president that the world may see, if no efforts are taken to contain Iran, which, as Netanyahu believes, is determined to destroy Israel.”

    if the comments to the Consortium News item are an indication, anti semitism has exhausted its shelf life; schadenfreude appeals to pent-up demand — or frustration; it’s the next new thing.

    tic
    tic
    tic
    your 15 kosher minutes are up

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    • Replies: @Greasy William
    This goes back to what I said about anti Israel people not understanding Israeli politics. Bibi is always in a state of panic. In Israel is well known that he catastrophises about everything and pretty much every week the Israeli media reports some new emotional meltdown he has had.

    As for your "tic tic tic", for the 8 billionth time: when and how? Who is going to stop us? Syria? They can't even defeat the rebels in their own country. Hezbollah? They haven't dared to touch us since 2006 after we completely destroyed Southern Lebanon so thoroughly that the international community needed to spend 20 billion dollars to rebuild it. Iran? We kill their scientists and sabotage their nuclear program with impunity and they don't dare to respond. Russia? We have 150 nuclear warheads on hand so unless you think that Putin is willing to sacrifice 150 of his largest population centers, Russia is out too.

    So unless you are counting on aliens from outer space coming to bail the Palestinians out, it looks like we are here to stay.
  203. Sam Shama says:
    @Art

    There is something very wrong with the Jews.

    Well, Talmud itself is promising supremacy if the chosen ones embrace fear, bloodshed, parasitism and psychopathy. The sheer depth of evil contained within is testing my lack of religious faith.
     
    I am always amazed at the individual and group dishonesty of the Jews. If there is a genetic trait for honesty – the Jews do not have it.

    Mr. Sam says that he is anti Iran war – yet his country - Israel - is demanding that we attack Iran. Mr. Sam says that most Israelis are not religious – yet the whole pathos of Israel’s existence is that god gave them the land. Mr. Sam says that Jews do not control congress – yet at its lowest point ever – it gave Netanyahu 29 standing ovations.

    Mr. Sam has no problem with these inconsistencies. If we question him, he attacks us! He gets mean and says, “shut up you moralists!”

    Looking at Israel and all they do daily, and have done to the Palestinians, the Jews are not only dishonest, but also very mean. What is the cause of these inferior traits?

    Hmm - is it nature or nurture – I have hope - me thinks mostly nurture.

    Think Peace --- Art

    Listen, you miserable collection of pipsqueaks writing under the moniker ‘Art’. For the very last time, just like any people, Jews have a diversity of opinions and positions. Nothing I said is inconsistent or different from that fact. The Israeli majority is indeed non-religious to somewhat religious. Most in those categories make no claim about divine inheritance. These people hold the classic Zionist view that Israel is the ancient homeland and refuge for ingathering Jews and they have won it fair and square, employing means that every group in the history of Mankind has, from political dealmaking, persuasion, diplomacy, aggressive and defensive wars etc. In order to get them out of there, you’ll need to wage war. Ready for it, whinging genius?

    The religious Jews believe that G’d gave them the land and if you are looking for primacy of inhabitance on the land, their position gets has unassailable seniority.

    Look at Greasy’s post earlier and get your head around to understanding the positions of Netanyahu, the army, and the population. Bibi will never attack Iran. The hard right will if they get a chance, because Iran wishes to wipe Israel off. The hard right could not be bothered to go on deep dive and “understand” what the Iranian leaders mean when they say they want to destroy the “Zionist Entity”. The majority of the population does not want to wage war with Iran, but feels a pre-emptive strike on Iran’s nuclear installations may be needed to avoid the possibility of a nuclear armed Iran; again, the army will never let that happen.

    Control Congress? Yes, to the extent that you and the rest of this country of which I am a citizen [no I do not have Israeli citizenship] have a system of elections and government that require large sums of money to operate. If you want it remedied, work on a revolution. I wish you NO success because that would be a success of good fortune and good fortune is wasted on dishonest moralisers. But I don’t think you have the makings of a revolutionary as don’t any of your whinging mates. None of you has the vision or the upstairs apparatus to have long-view of the world or where it is going.

    Stock up on the Pork and Beans.

    P.S. You shouldn’t talk about inconsistency. Your first and last sentences are mostly contradictory.

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    • Replies: @Art
    Listen, you miserable collection of pipsqueaks writing under the moniker ‘Art’.

    Sorry – I assure you - I am not miserable, small, or multiple persons. I know you think you are fighting a whole intellectual army – but no - I am just one beast, with an 88 IQ.

    Even though you have a super mega brain – you keep losing because the truth is never on your side. You Jews are inherently dishonest and you are not nice about it. Israel is a cruel unjust place for millions of people – end of story. It is true - you cannot escape that.

    Look at Greasy’s post earlier and get your head around to understanding the positions of Netanyahu, the army, and the population.

    The leader of Israel, the army, and the population are not my concern. Peace is my concern.

    Israel does not know peace because of YOU! It is you who coerce my nation into unfairly supporting Israel. Ever expanding Israel is your evil. You bring NO peace to the ME. You bring disrepute to me and my neighbors and my nation.

    None of you has the vision or the upstairs apparatus to have long-view of the world or where it is going.

    The pendulum swings, what goes up comes down, the curve has an apex – it is I with the long-term outlook, I am not in the eye of the storm, I sleep well. Jesus says, “the meek shall inherit the Earth” – that’s me and mine.

    Thanks to you Jews, the human entropy in American society is growing exponentially – the distances between us are being ever more cluttered with unsolvable problems. Sadly, our nation’s clock is advancing at an ever-faster pace. Once you reach a certain point in disorganization - there is no turning back. Let us hope.

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. I enjoy playing with you.
    , @iffen
    if you are looking for primacy of inhabitance on the land, their position gets has unassailable seniority.

    I'm not sure this claim is valid.


    Living Descendants of Biblical Canaanites Identified Via DNA

    Genome sequenced from 3,700-year-old remains is found in today's residents of Lebanon.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/07/canaanite-bible-ancient-dna-lebanon-genetics-archaeology/
     
    , @Art
    I wish you NO success because that would be a success of good fortune and good fortune is wasted on dishonest moralisers.

    You sure know how to hurt a guy. Calling a philosophical Christian "a moralist" is a low blow.

    We are idealists not moralists. We do not say "do no wrong" - we say "do right" - we say do what is ideal.

    “Thou shalt not" is old world technology. Saying, one must NOT do something, only adds to its allure and the trill of doing it.

    It is better to be idealistic. The Christian idealist says, you will personally benefit from being hopeful, respectful of life, loving, seek truth, forgiving, and being graceful to others.

    The word “moral” has a lot of baggage with it – most people hear “moral” and think law, force, and government. Bad people have used moralism to do evil things to undeserving people.

    I try not to use the word.

    Think Peace --- Art

  204. @anonymous
    "US will allow Iranian forces in Syria to operate within 8 km of Israel" by Andrew Illingworth

    an agreement to allow both actual Iranian forces and Iranian proxies in Syria to establish bases as close as eight kilometers to both the Jordanian and Israeli borders was recently reached between US and Russian diplomats following talks in Jordan.
     
    The Reasons for Netanyahu’s Panic, by Alistair Crooke

    A very senior Israeli intelligence delegation, a week ago, visited Washington. Then, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu broke into President Putin’s summer holiday to meet him in Sochi, where, according to a senior Israeli government official (as cited in the Jerusalem Post), Netanyahu threatened to bomb the Presidential Palace in Damascus, and to disrupt and nullify the Astana cease-fire process, should Iran continue to “extend its reach in Syria.”

    Russia’s Pravda wrote, “according to eyewitnesses of the open part of the talks, the Israeli prime minister was too emotional and at times even close to panic. He described a picture of the apocalypse to the Russian president that the world may see, if no efforts are taken to contain Iran, which, as Netanyahu believes, is determined to destroy Israel.”
     

    if the comments to the Consortium News item are an indication, anti semitism has exhausted its shelf life; schadenfreude appeals to pent-up demand -- or frustration; it's the next new thing.

    tic
    tic
    tic
    your 15 kosher minutes are up

    This goes back to what I said about anti Israel people not understanding Israeli politics. Bibi is always in a state of panic. In Israel is well known that he catastrophises about everything and pretty much every week the Israeli media reports some new emotional meltdown he has had.

    As for your “tic tic tic”, for the 8 billionth time: when and how? Who is going to stop us? Syria? They can’t even defeat the rebels in their own country. Hezbollah? They haven’t dared to touch us since 2006 after we completely destroyed Southern Lebanon so thoroughly that the international community needed to spend 20 billion dollars to rebuild it. Iran? We kill their scientists and sabotage their nuclear program with impunity and they don’t dare to respond. Russia? We have 150 nuclear warheads on hand so unless you think that Putin is willing to sacrifice 150 of his largest population centers, Russia is out too.

    So unless you are counting on aliens from outer space coming to bail the Palestinians out, it looks like we are here to stay.

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    Contributions to the world from the Zionists

    1Creating child (girl ) bomber
    2 Killing innocents fleeing civilians and coreligionist
    3 Bombing non armed innocent civilians
    4 Letter Bomb
    5.1st Hijacking of Passenger plane
    6Killing the benefactors
    7Teaching tortures to Persia, USA
    8 Inventing ideas to contradict and disable former ideas while both are full of contradictions ,inconsistencies ,illogicality, and immorality -
    9 Killing scientists
  205. @Sam Shama
    I certainly agree with this, and I put it in straightforward language to the assembled geniuses upthread in #144, that there will be no war with Iran. But they've created their own pantomime in which each plays their self-absorbed parts. Not a single of these geniuses has a clue as to how things work in Israeli politics or the role of the army. It amazing to watch the level of uninformed opinions flying around.

    Uninformed would be fine. It’s the combination of ignorance, stupidity and sheer delusion mixed with totally unjustified certainty that completes the Unz antisemitic writer/commetariat cocktail.

    You could show the stuff written about Israel on Unz to Assad or Ahmadinejad and they would shake their heads in disbelief at how out to lunch it is. The people here simply live in an alternate reality.

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  206. Art says:
    @Sam Shama
    Listen, you miserable collection of pipsqueaks writing under the moniker 'Art'. For the very last time, just like any people, Jews have a diversity of opinions and positions. Nothing I said is inconsistent or different from that fact. The Israeli majority is indeed non-religious to somewhat religious. Most in those categories make no claim about divine inheritance. These people hold the classic Zionist view that Israel is the ancient homeland and refuge for ingathering Jews and they have won it fair and square, employing means that every group in the history of Mankind has, from political dealmaking, persuasion, diplomacy, aggressive and defensive wars etc. In order to get them out of there, you'll need to wage war. Ready for it, whinging genius?

    The religious Jews believe that G'd gave them the land and if you are looking for primacy of inhabitance on the land, their position gets has unassailable seniority.

    Look at Greasy's post earlier and get your head around to understanding the positions of Netanyahu, the army, and the population. Bibi will never attack Iran. The hard right will if they get a chance, because Iran wishes to wipe Israel off. The hard right could not be bothered to go on deep dive and "understand" what the Iranian leaders mean when they say they want to destroy the "Zionist Entity". The majority of the population does not want to wage war with Iran, but feels a pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear installations may be needed to avoid the possibility of a nuclear armed Iran; again, the army will never let that happen.

    Control Congress? Yes, to the extent that you and the rest of this country of which I am a citizen [no I do not have Israeli citizenship] have a system of elections and government that require large sums of money to operate. If you want it remedied, work on a revolution. I wish you NO success because that would be a success of good fortune and good fortune is wasted on dishonest moralisers. But I don't think you have the makings of a revolutionary as don't any of your whinging mates. None of you has the vision or the upstairs apparatus to have long-view of the world or where it is going.

    Stock up on the Pork and Beans.

    P.S. You shouldn't talk about inconsistency. Your first and last sentences are mostly contradictory.

    Listen, you miserable collection of pipsqueaks writing under the moniker ‘Art’.

    Sorry – I assure you – I am not miserable, small, or multiple persons. I know you think you are fighting a whole intellectual army – but no – I am just one beast, with an 88 IQ.

    Even though you have a super mega brain – you keep losing because the truth is never on your side. You Jews are inherently dishonest and you are not nice about it. Israel is a cruel unjust place for millions of people – end of story. It is true – you cannot escape that.

    Look at Greasy’s post earlier and get your head around to understanding the positions of Netanyahu, the army, and the population.

    The leader of Israel, the army, and the population are not my concern. Peace is my concern.

    Israel does not know peace because of YOU! It is you who coerce my nation into unfairly supporting Israel. Ever expanding Israel is your evil. You bring NO peace to the ME. You bring disrepute to me and my neighbors and my nation.

    None of you has the vision or the upstairs apparatus to have long-view of the world or where it is going.

    The pendulum swings, what goes up comes down, the curve has an apex – it is I with the long-term outlook, I am not in the eye of the storm, I sleep well. Jesus says, “the meek shall inherit the Earth” – that’s me and mine.

    Thanks to you Jews, the human entropy in American society is growing exponentially – the distances between us are being ever more cluttered with unsolvable problems. Sadly, our nation’s clock is advancing at an ever-faster pace. Once you reach a certain point in disorganization – there is no turning back. Let us hope.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. I enjoy playing with you.

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  207. geokat62 says:

    None of you has the vision or the upstairs apparatus to have long-view of the world or where it is going.

    What’d I tell ya’, we’re just a bunch of Dumb Goyim in the eyes of Mr.204.

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    George

    Among Sam The Sham's "fatal flaws" is his long term view of knowing "where the world is going."

    His arrogance prevents acknowledgement of a Will higher than his & that of Zionist social & political engineers.

    I depart with an offer of an 'ole time Catholic joke.

    Hans said to Melvin, "Do you want to make God laugh?"

    "Yes, he needs one!"

    "Well, tell Him about your best laid plans."
  208. geokat62 says:
    @Greasy William
    This article and the comments on it demonstrate, once again, that people who are the most obsessed with Israel have 0 understanding of Israeli politics.

    First of all, Bibi would never order an attack on Iran. It just isn't in his DNA. You would know this if you weren't totally retarded.

    Secondly, and more importantly, if Netanyahu did in fact order an attack, there would be a military coup. The Israeli military is dominated by leftists who would never dream of attacking Iran in a billion years. This is something that anybody with the most rudimentary knowledge of Israeli politics understands.

    Learn something about Israeli politics before spouting off like the retards you are.

    First of all, Bibi would never order an attack on Iran.

    While it may be true that Israel itself is unlikely to launch an attack against Iran, the concern is that they’ll once again get the US to do their dirty work for them, just as they did in the case of Iraq.

    We all vividly remember the ratcheting up of the propaganda machine against Iraq in the run up to the invasion. Talk of mushroom clouds, mobile chemical weapons labs, the possibility of additional, more widespread anthrax attacks, prepped the American people for war. The concern is the The Lobby may choose to initiate a replay of this scene, this time with Iran in the crosshairs.

    Here’s a quote that helps put things into perspective:

    Sharon’s comments notwithstanding, by early 2002, when it was becom­ing increasingly apparent that the Bush administration was thinking seri­ously about another war against Iraq, some Israeli leaders told U.S. officials that they thought Iran was a greater threat. They were not opposed to top­pling Saddam, however, and Israel’s leaders, who are rarely reticent when it comes to giving their American counterparts advice, never tried to convince the Bush administration not to go to war against Iraq. Nor did the Israeli government ever try to mobilize its supporters in the United States to lobby against the invasion. On the contrary, Israeli leaders were worried only that the United States might lose sight of the Iranian threat in its pursuit of Sad­dam. Once they realized that the Bush administration was countenancing a bolder scheme, one that called for winning quickly in Iraq and then dealing with Iran and Syria, they began to push vigorously for an American invasion. – Mearsheimer and Walt, The Israel Lobby, pp. 233, 234

    That’s why I agree with Giraldi’s concluding sentence:

    It is time to say “no” when Israel comes knocking.

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  209. iffen says:

    I am just one beast, with an 88 IQ.

    Boasting is not Christian-like, whatever the flavor, philosophical or …..

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    I am just one beast, with an 88 IQ.

    Boasting is not Christian-like, whatever the flavor, philosophical or …..
     
    I am chastened, humbled, disgraced, corrected, and hopefully forgiven!

    Think Peace --- Art
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Proclaiming an IQ of only 88 hardly falls under the definition of boasting, more like an honest admission.

    Wasn't the point of the movie Forrest Gump that a person is only stupid if they do stupid things? The "News"papers are full of stories of high IQ people who made foolish choices and did really bad deeds. A high IQ brain isn't required to be good or honest just one that understands what being good and honest is and acting that way.
  210. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama
    Listen, you miserable collection of pipsqueaks writing under the moniker 'Art'. For the very last time, just like any people, Jews have a diversity of opinions and positions. Nothing I said is inconsistent or different from that fact. The Israeli majority is indeed non-religious to somewhat religious. Most in those categories make no claim about divine inheritance. These people hold the classic Zionist view that Israel is the ancient homeland and refuge for ingathering Jews and they have won it fair and square, employing means that every group in the history of Mankind has, from political dealmaking, persuasion, diplomacy, aggressive and defensive wars etc. In order to get them out of there, you'll need to wage war. Ready for it, whinging genius?

    The religious Jews believe that G'd gave them the land and if you are looking for primacy of inhabitance on the land, their position gets has unassailable seniority.

    Look at Greasy's post earlier and get your head around to understanding the positions of Netanyahu, the army, and the population. Bibi will never attack Iran. The hard right will if they get a chance, because Iran wishes to wipe Israel off. The hard right could not be bothered to go on deep dive and "understand" what the Iranian leaders mean when they say they want to destroy the "Zionist Entity". The majority of the population does not want to wage war with Iran, but feels a pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear installations may be needed to avoid the possibility of a nuclear armed Iran; again, the army will never let that happen.

    Control Congress? Yes, to the extent that you and the rest of this country of which I am a citizen [no I do not have Israeli citizenship] have a system of elections and government that require large sums of money to operate. If you want it remedied, work on a revolution. I wish you NO success because that would be a success of good fortune and good fortune is wasted on dishonest moralisers. But I don't think you have the makings of a revolutionary as don't any of your whinging mates. None of you has the vision or the upstairs apparatus to have long-view of the world or where it is going.

    Stock up on the Pork and Beans.

    P.S. You shouldn't talk about inconsistency. Your first and last sentences are mostly contradictory.

    if you are looking for primacy of inhabitance on the land, their position gets has unassailable seniority.

    I’m not sure this claim is valid.

    Living Descendants of Biblical Canaanites Identified Via DNA

    Genome sequenced from 3,700-year-old remains is found in today’s residents of Lebanon.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/07/canaanite-bible-ancient-dna-lebanon-genetics-archaeology/

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    Well, that is the Torah based claim of the ultra-religious. There is a Nature journal study which confirmed the Biblical claim [I'll find the link]. From recollection, Ashkenazi Jews and indeed the entire Jewish diaspora share an unmistakable link with the Lebanese Druze. So this study does not contradict the earlier one. Most likely, Israelites who lived in the area, defeated the Canaanites and absorbed the women. Palestinians on the other hand, share similar single nucleotide polymorphisms with Jordanians, Saudi Arabs, and Bedouins.
  211. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    Keep your fucking weasel hands off Labor Day.

    Missed this one earlier. Damn straight. Hasn’t he got Canuckland to inflict all his righteous weaselisms?

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  212. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    if you are looking for primacy of inhabitance on the land, their position gets has unassailable seniority.

    I'm not sure this claim is valid.


    Living Descendants of Biblical Canaanites Identified Via DNA

    Genome sequenced from 3,700-year-old remains is found in today's residents of Lebanon.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/07/canaanite-bible-ancient-dna-lebanon-genetics-archaeology/
     

    Well, that is the Torah based claim of the ultra-religious. There is a Nature journal study which confirmed the Biblical claim [I'll find the link]. From recollection, Ashkenazi Jews and indeed the entire Jewish diaspora share an unmistakable link with the Lebanese Druze. So this study does not contradict the earlier one. Most likely, Israelites who lived in the area, defeated the Canaanites and absorbed the women. Palestinians on the other hand, share similar single nucleotide polymorphisms with Jordanians, Saudi Arabs, and Bedouins.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Sure, and there were people living in the area before the Canaanites. It's people all the way down, except for Australia and the Americas. Right?
  213. geokat62 says:

    Missed this one earlier. Damn straight.

    How cute, an ardent Zionist with his xian Zionist sidekick trying to mock a foreigner. I should follow-up with the ADL to see if they are planning to push through the Knesset West, er I mean, Congress legislation against this sort of thing.

    Oh, btw, Canuckland also celebrates Labour Day… sheesh.

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  214. @geokat62

    None of you has the vision or the upstairs apparatus to have long-view of the world or where it is going.
     
    What'd I tell ya', we're just a bunch of Dumb Goyim in the eyes of Mr.204.

    George

    Among Sam The Sham’s “fatal flaws” is his long term view of knowing “where the world is going.”

    His arrogance prevents acknowledgement of a Will higher than his & that of Zionist social & political engineers.

    I depart with an offer of an ‘ole time Catholic joke.

    Hans said to Melvin, “Do you want to make God laugh?”

    “Yes, he needs one!”

    “Well, tell Him about your best laid plans.”

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  215. schmenz says:
    @geokat62

    Even though you weaseled out of my list, I will answer yours.
     
    Listen, I have one condition for reciprocating with responses to queries thst are put to me. I think you can figure out what that is. Until and unless that condition is met, I have no obligation to reciprocate.

    Geo,

    I admire your fortitude in answering this puffed-up self-important bore but frankly it really is a waste of time. You’d have more success standing up before a brick wall and talking to it.

    What I do is simply skip over his comments. Life is too short.

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    What I do is simply skip over his comments. Life is too short.
     
    Hey, schmenz. What can I say, other than I guess I've obviously taken to heart our host's recommended approach regarding this matter:

    Actually, I would argue that debating even with obvious “trolls” may have substantial value…

    Consider that over 99% of the readers of this website or the individual comment-threads do not participate as commenters. Therefore, any arguments you make are much better addressed to that large, silent audience of third-party readers than the particular commenter whom you’re engaging. This is the downside of dishonest, stupid, “trollish” behavior. If you reply politely and effectively to such arguments, mustering a great deal of credible evidence, you’ll certainly not convince your silly opponent, but you may convince the hundreds or even thousands of other individuals who read the exchange, either at that time or much later.

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/crunch-time-with-iran/#comment-997627
     

  216. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama
    Well, that is the Torah based claim of the ultra-religious. There is a Nature journal study which confirmed the Biblical claim [I'll find the link]. From recollection, Ashkenazi Jews and indeed the entire Jewish diaspora share an unmistakable link with the Lebanese Druze. So this study does not contradict the earlier one. Most likely, Israelites who lived in the area, defeated the Canaanites and absorbed the women. Palestinians on the other hand, share similar single nucleotide polymorphisms with Jordanians, Saudi Arabs, and Bedouins.

    Sure, and there were people living in the area before the Canaanites. It’s people all the way down, except for Australia and the Americas. Right?

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  217. geokat62 says:
    @schmenz
    Geo,

    I admire your fortitude in answering this puffed-up self-important bore but frankly it really is a waste of time. You'd have more success standing up before a brick wall and talking to it.

    What I do is simply skip over his comments. Life is too short.

    What I do is simply skip over his comments. Life is too short.

    Hey, schmenz. What can I say, other than I guess I’ve obviously taken to heart our host’s recommended approach regarding this matter:

    Actually, I would argue that debating even with obvious “trolls” may have substantial value…

    Consider that over 99% of the readers of this website or the individual comment-threads do not participate as commenters. Therefore, any arguments you make are much better addressed to that large, silent audience of third-party readers than the particular commenter whom you’re engaging. This is the downside of dishonest, stupid, “trollish” behavior. If you reply politely and effectively to such arguments, mustering a great deal of credible evidence, you’ll certainly not convince your silly opponent, but you may convince the hundreds or even thousands of other individuals who read the exchange, either at that time or much later.

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/crunch-time-with-iran/#comment-997627

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    Copying and pasting for the thousands. You go girl!
    , @schmenz
    Thanks, Geo. You make a good point.
  218. Art says:
    @iffen
    I am just one beast, with an 88 IQ.

    Boasting is not Christian-like, whatever the flavor, philosophical or .....

    I am just one beast, with an 88 IQ.

    Boasting is not Christian-like, whatever the flavor, philosophical or …..

    I am chastened, humbled, disgraced, corrected, and hopefully forgiven!

    Think Peace — Art

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    Arts,

    Certainly you are forgiven. Go and sin no more.
  219. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    What I do is simply skip over his comments. Life is too short.
     
    Hey, schmenz. What can I say, other than I guess I've obviously taken to heart our host's recommended approach regarding this matter:

    Actually, I would argue that debating even with obvious “trolls” may have substantial value…

    Consider that over 99% of the readers of this website or the individual comment-threads do not participate as commenters. Therefore, any arguments you make are much better addressed to that large, silent audience of third-party readers than the particular commenter whom you’re engaging. This is the downside of dishonest, stupid, “trollish” behavior. If you reply politely and effectively to such arguments, mustering a great deal of credible evidence, you’ll certainly not convince your silly opponent, but you may convince the hundreds or even thousands of other individuals who read the exchange, either at that time or much later.

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/crunch-time-with-iran/#comment-997627
     

    Copying and pasting for the thousands. You go girl!

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  220. iffen says:
    @Art

    I am just one beast, with an 88 IQ.

    Boasting is not Christian-like, whatever the flavor, philosophical or …..
     
    I am chastened, humbled, disgraced, corrected, and hopefully forgiven!

    Think Peace --- Art

    Arts,

    Certainly you are forgiven. Go and sin no more.

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  221. geokat62 says:

    Copying and pasting for the thousands. You go girl!

    Not as easy as you thought, huh? You should stick with it, though. Just b/c you mangled your first attempt at presenting irrefutable evidence to support your fallacious claim that Prof. MacDonald is an antisemite, shouldn’t discourage you from continuing to do so, as most would agree, it is imperative to provide supporting evidence for one’s assertions, otherwise people may suspect you may have concocted things out of thin air… not that a philosophical evangelical would ever do something like that, but it’s best you err on the side of caution, no?

    So, hang in there, sport… sooner or later, you’ll get the hang of it. If not, you could always ask your big sister for help.

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    most would agree, it is imperative to provide supporting evidence for one’s assertions,

    I did, but you were so busy copying and pasting that you missed it.
    , @iffen

    it appears that a few people are bent on promoting the idea

    I think Findley does a good job explaining why some might be keen on using the false charge of antisemitism

    debating even with obvious “trolls”

    concocted things out of thin air…

    I have no obligation to reciprocate.

     

    Ditto

    It was interesting to see you state that your purpose in commenting is to get as many people as possible exposed to your propaganda.

    For myself, I don't really care whether anyone reads my comments or not. I have a selfish interest and have stated it more than once. I am interested in learning and in seeking "The Truth." If someone makes a comment that pushes that forward I am interested. Of course one aspect of this search is to be able to (wait for it) recognize anti-Semitism. Such inquiry usually makes anti-Semites uncomfortable.

  222. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Copying and pasting for the thousands. You go girl!
     
    Not as easy as you thought, huh? You should stick with it, though. Just b/c you mangled your first attempt at presenting irrefutable evidence to support your fallacious claim that Prof. MacDonald is an antisemite, shouldn't discourage you from continuing to do so, as most would agree, it is imperative to provide supporting evidence for one's assertions, otherwise people may suspect you may have concocted things out of thin air... not that a philosophical evangelical would ever do something like that, but it's best you err on the side of caution, no?

    So, hang in there, sport... sooner or later, you'll get the hang of it. If not, you could always ask your big sister for help.

    most would agree, it is imperative to provide supporting evidence for one’s assertions,

    I did, but you were so busy copying and pasting that you missed it.

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  223. @iffen
    I am just one beast, with an 88 IQ.

    Boasting is not Christian-like, whatever the flavor, philosophical or .....

    Proclaiming an IQ of only 88 hardly falls under the definition of boasting, more like an honest admission.

    Wasn’t the point of the movie Forrest Gump that a person is only stupid if they do stupid things? The “News”papers are full of stories of high IQ people who made foolish choices and did really bad deeds. A high IQ brain isn’t required to be good or honest just one that understands what being good and honest is and acting that way.

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    What do you think high IQ is fairly reliably good for? (Different answers for different societies may be accepted though excellence in Talmudic studies or the Muslim or Christian equivalents will mean that you have to qualify first to be allowed into tbe comp).

    I have some simple answers such as a fuzzy threshold like 125 for full professor of physics (average probably mid to high 130s, there not being enough 160s to go round). And that is prima facie useful for us all.

    Then I also support an other things being equal argument that if you employ only people in your bank or consultancy whose exam results suggest IQ of 125 plus you will do better for shareholders and state revenue than if the level was 115.

    Otherwise it worries me that the spread of pseudo higher education to the masses means that the power of discrimination and of seeing things in their complexity instead of black and white is diminished. Perhaps that even means that the high IQ people who have greatest clout are cynical salesmen.

    , @Anonymous
    Both Art's 'admission' of his 88 IQ followed by Iffen's sarcastic reply were but the whirring sounds over your head, weren't they? Don't look up please, the moment has passed.
  224. Art says:
    @Sam Shama
    Listen, you miserable collection of pipsqueaks writing under the moniker 'Art'. For the very last time, just like any people, Jews have a diversity of opinions and positions. Nothing I said is inconsistent or different from that fact. The Israeli majority is indeed non-religious to somewhat religious. Most in those categories make no claim about divine inheritance. These people hold the classic Zionist view that Israel is the ancient homeland and refuge for ingathering Jews and they have won it fair and square, employing means that every group in the history of Mankind has, from political dealmaking, persuasion, diplomacy, aggressive and defensive wars etc. In order to get them out of there, you'll need to wage war. Ready for it, whinging genius?

    The religious Jews believe that G'd gave them the land and if you are looking for primacy of inhabitance on the land, their position gets has unassailable seniority.

    Look at Greasy's post earlier and get your head around to understanding the positions of Netanyahu, the army, and the population. Bibi will never attack Iran. The hard right will if they get a chance, because Iran wishes to wipe Israel off. The hard right could not be bothered to go on deep dive and "understand" what the Iranian leaders mean when they say they want to destroy the "Zionist Entity". The majority of the population does not want to wage war with Iran, but feels a pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear installations may be needed to avoid the possibility of a nuclear armed Iran; again, the army will never let that happen.

    Control Congress? Yes, to the extent that you and the rest of this country of which I am a citizen [no I do not have Israeli citizenship] have a system of elections and government that require large sums of money to operate. If you want it remedied, work on a revolution. I wish you NO success because that would be a success of good fortune and good fortune is wasted on dishonest moralisers. But I don't think you have the makings of a revolutionary as don't any of your whinging mates. None of you has the vision or the upstairs apparatus to have long-view of the world or where it is going.

    Stock up on the Pork and Beans.

    P.S. You shouldn't talk about inconsistency. Your first and last sentences are mostly contradictory.

    I wish you NO success because that would be a success of good fortune and good fortune is wasted on dishonest moralisers.

    You sure know how to hurt a guy. Calling a philosophical Christian “a moralist” is a low blow.

    We are idealists not moralists. We do not say “do no wrong” – we say “do right” – we say do what is ideal.

    “Thou shalt not” is old world technology. Saying, one must NOT do something, only adds to its allure and the trill of doing it.

    It is better to be idealistic. The Christian idealist says, you will personally benefit from being hopeful, respectful of life, loving, seek truth, forgiving, and being graceful to others.

    The word “moral” has a lot of baggage with it – most people hear “moral” and think law, force, and government. Bad people have used moralism to do evil things to undeserving people.

    I try not to use the word.

    Think Peace — Art

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  225. @KA
    http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full

    Yiddish is Irano-Turkic-Slavic in origin , a language that evolved over the years from intermingling of languages , contribution from converted Jewish linguistic differences and from need to maintain secrecy

    Thanks for that fascinating link. There are a number of people I shall pass it on to in the hope of informed comment. I particularly like the idea of Greg Cochran taking the authors on if they have stuffed up somewhere. My only suspicion would be that the samples are not large enough and perhaps not sufficiently random amongst AJs.

    One thing I find myself reminding people of boringly often is the rate of population growth from sometimes very small, maybe bottlenecked, samples of the original population.

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    Thank you . I get a lot of information from you and learn a lot from the perspective you bring in
  226. KA says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Thanks for that fascinating link. There are a number of people I shall pass it on to in the hope of informed comment. I particularly like the idea of Greg Cochran taking the authors on if they have stuffed up somewhere. My only suspicion would be that the samples are not large enough and perhaps not sufficiently random amongst AJs.

    One thing I find myself reminding people of boringly often is the rate of population growth from sometimes very small, maybe bottlenecked, samples of the original population.

    Thank you . I get a lot of information from you and learn a lot from the perspective you bring in

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  227. @NoseytheDuke
    Proclaiming an IQ of only 88 hardly falls under the definition of boasting, more like an honest admission.

    Wasn't the point of the movie Forrest Gump that a person is only stupid if they do stupid things? The "News"papers are full of stories of high IQ people who made foolish choices and did really bad deeds. A high IQ brain isn't required to be good or honest just one that understands what being good and honest is and acting that way.

    What do you think high IQ is fairly reliably good for? (Different answers for different societies may be accepted though excellence in Talmudic studies or the Muslim or Christian equivalents will mean that you have to qualify first to be allowed into tbe comp).

    I have some simple answers such as a fuzzy threshold like 125 for full professor of physics (average probably mid to high 130s, there not being enough 160s to go round). And that is prima facie useful for us all.

    Then I also support an other things being equal argument that if you employ only people in your bank or consultancy whose exam results suggest IQ of 125 plus you will do better for shareholders and state revenue than if the level was 115.

    Otherwise it worries me that the spread of pseudo higher education to the masses means that the power of discrimination and of seeing things in their complexity instead of black and white is diminished. Perhaps that even means that the high IQ people who have greatest clout are cynical salesmen.

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  228. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @NoseytheDuke
    Proclaiming an IQ of only 88 hardly falls under the definition of boasting, more like an honest admission.

    Wasn't the point of the movie Forrest Gump that a person is only stupid if they do stupid things? The "News"papers are full of stories of high IQ people who made foolish choices and did really bad deeds. A high IQ brain isn't required to be good or honest just one that understands what being good and honest is and acting that way.

    Both Art’s ‘admission’ of his 88 IQ followed by Iffen’s sarcastic reply were but the whirring sounds over your head, weren’t they? Don’t look up please, the moment has passed.

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  229. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Copying and pasting for the thousands. You go girl!
     
    Not as easy as you thought, huh? You should stick with it, though. Just b/c you mangled your first attempt at presenting irrefutable evidence to support your fallacious claim that Prof. MacDonald is an antisemite, shouldn't discourage you from continuing to do so, as most would agree, it is imperative to provide supporting evidence for one's assertions, otherwise people may suspect you may have concocted things out of thin air... not that a philosophical evangelical would ever do something like that, but it's best you err on the side of caution, no?

    So, hang in there, sport... sooner or later, you'll get the hang of it. If not, you could always ask your big sister for help.

    it appears that a few people are bent on promoting the idea

    I think Findley does a good job explaining why some might be keen on using the false charge of antisemitism

    debating even with obvious “trolls”

    concocted things out of thin air…

    I have no obligation to reciprocate.

    Ditto

    It was interesting to see you state that your purpose in commenting is to get as many people as possible exposed to your propaganda.

    For myself, I don’t really care whether anyone reads my comments or not. I have a selfish interest and have stated it more than once. I am interested in learning and in seeking “The Truth.” If someone makes a comment that pushes that forward I am interested. Of course one aspect of this search is to be able to (wait for it) recognize anti-Semitism. Such inquiry usually makes anti-Semites uncomfortable.

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  230. geokat62 says:

    I am interested in learning and in seeking “The Truth.” If someone makes a comment that pushes that forward I am interested.

    If that were truly the case, not sure why you would take issue with the proposition that “The Lobby is doing tremendous damage to the interests of the American people.”

    But I forgot, anyone who puts forward that proposition is by definition an antisemite, according to some philosophical evangelicals.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    not sure why you would take issue with the proposition that “The Lobby is doing tremendous damage to the interests of the American people.”

    Not sure where the words in quotations come from. Whether the Lobby/lobby is damaging the "interests" of the American people is problematic and I am pretty sure that I stated that. You and I do not agree on the "interests" of the American people.


    With any discussion, it’s imperative the proper usage of terms is strictly adhered to.

  231. schmenz says:
    @geokat62

    What I do is simply skip over his comments. Life is too short.
     
    Hey, schmenz. What can I say, other than I guess I've obviously taken to heart our host's recommended approach regarding this matter:

    Actually, I would argue that debating even with obvious “trolls” may have substantial value…

    Consider that over 99% of the readers of this website or the individual comment-threads do not participate as commenters. Therefore, any arguments you make are much better addressed to that large, silent audience of third-party readers than the particular commenter whom you’re engaging. This is the downside of dishonest, stupid, “trollish” behavior. If you reply politely and effectively to such arguments, mustering a great deal of credible evidence, you’ll certainly not convince your silly opponent, but you may convince the hundreds or even thousands of other individuals who read the exchange, either at that time or much later.

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/crunch-time-with-iran/#comment-997627
     

    Thanks, Geo. You make a good point.

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  232. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    I am interested in learning and in seeking “The Truth.” If someone makes a comment that pushes that forward I am interested.
     
    If that were truly the case, not sure why you would take issue with the proposition that "The Lobby is doing tremendous damage to the interests of the American people."

    But I forgot, anyone who puts forward that proposition is by definition an antisemite, according to some philosophical evangelicals.

    not sure why you would take issue with the proposition that “The Lobby is doing tremendous damage to the interests of the American people.”

    Not sure where the words in quotations come from. Whether the Lobby/lobby is damaging the “interests” of the American people is problematic and I am pretty sure that I stated that. You and I do not agree on the “interests” of the American people.

    With any discussion, it’s imperative the proper usage of terms is strictly adhered to.

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  233. geokat62 says:

    You and I do not agree on the “interests” of the American people.

    With that, I definitely concur.

    However, I think most informed people would not hesitate to agree The Lobby has done tremendous damage to the interests of the American people. They’ve done so much damage to said interests that some have even characterized it as a “disaster”:

    Nowhere can a greater necessity for free and open debate be found than among the ranks of the neoconservatives… who have, in my view, led our nation to the brink of disaster – former congressman Paul Findley, Forward to The Transparent Cabal

    And there is little doubt that the neocons were the driving force behind that war:

    Anyone wishing honestly to determine whether it is myth or reality that the neoconservatives were the driving force behind the Iraq war and the Bush administration’s later militant policy in the Middle East, and whether that neoconservative policy was and is designed to benefit Israel, must consider this evidence. The author believes the case made by it to be overwhelmingly persuasive. – p. 24 The Transparent Cabal

    Tell you what, since you are a self-professed seeker of The Truth, why don’t you give The Transparant Cabal a read and tell us whether the case made by author Stephen Sniegoski is, as he claims, “overwhelmingly persuasive” or, if not, where, in your opinion, he falls short?

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    • Replies: @iffen
    why don’t you give The Transparant Cabal a read and tell us whether the case made by author Stephen Sniegosk

    Can't do that I can't get back the 15 minutes that I wasted reading the first article that I noticed here by Sniegoski.
  234. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    You and I do not agree on the “interests” of the American people.
     
    With that, I definitely concur.

    However, I think most informed people would not hesitate to agree The Lobby has done tremendous damage to the interests of the American people. They've done so much damage to said interests that some have even characterized it as a "disaster":


    Nowhere can a greater necessity for free and open debate be found than among the ranks of the neoconservatives... who have, in my view, led our nation to the brink of disaster - former congressman Paul Findley, Forward to The Transparent Cabal
     
    And there is little doubt that the neocons were the driving force behind that war:

    Anyone wishing honestly to determine whether it is myth or reality that the neoconservatives were the driving force behind the Iraq war and the Bush administration’s later militant policy in the Middle East, and whether that neoconservative policy was and is designed to benefit Israel, must consider this evidence. The author believes the case made by it to be overwhelmingly persuasive. - p. 24 The Transparent Cabal
     
    Tell you what, since you are a self-professed seeker of The Truth, why don't you give The Transparant Cabal a read and tell us whether the case made by author Stephen Sniegoski is, as he claims, "overwhelmingly persuasive" or, if not, where, in your opinion, he falls short?

    why don’t you give The Transparant Cabal a read and tell us whether the case made by author Stephen Sniegosk

    Can’t do that I can’t get back the 15 minutes that I wasted reading the first article that I noticed here by Sniegoski.

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  235. geokat62 says:

    Can’t do that I can’t get back the 15 minutes that I wasted reading the first article that I noticed here by Sniegoski.

    Oh, I get it. He must be another one of those “Jew haters.”

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    Hi Geo.

    Is the consensus that If-It is some sort of Christian? If so, perhaps it's "in its best interest" to not burn in Hell for eternity. As I've pointed out to the CUFI glassy-eyed lunatics, they might want to observe,

    1) Thou shalt not Kill
    2) Thou shalt not Steal
    3) Thou shalt not Bear false witness

    Since Israel Killed, Stole, and Lied its way into existence, and has borne false witness about it ever since, Iffy might want to consider the Long Term effect of collaborating with that sacrilege.
  236. iffen says:

    Oh, I get it. He must be another one of those “Jew haters.”

    All of us pick and choose information that supports what we already know and ignore or misconstrue information that contradicts that “knowledge.” If I find a way around it, I let you know.

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    • Replies: @Castellio
    It's called "having an open mind". Takes a surprising amount of work and self discipline... but certainly possible.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    What you say is true only if you are using "know" in a very special sense. Something like "have a very powerful emotional commitment to believing".

    If I were asked what I knew about the destruction of the Twin Towers I would certainly be happy to say that they collapsed after fires inside started when civil aircraft crashed into them at about the 83rd and 97th floors". If someone like the mad Revusky could show that civil aircraft did not fly into the towers it would show that I didn't know what I thought I knew but it would intrigue me rather than upset me. For that reason I am immune - on that subject though maybe not all I am willing to concede hypothetically - to ignoring or misconstruing information that contradicts that particular knowledge. True I may notice more readily confirmatory evidence that I can wheel out in argument. E.g. I have just seen a History Channel doco "Road to 9/11" that provides a score of details which make those who write scornfully of the impossibility of a chap using a kidney dialysis machine in Afhhanistan being behind 9/11 sound like cheap junior high school debaters. But I emphasise that it is because that is where what interests me is to be found - namely on the passion of others' unproven beliefs. Equally, by contrast, when someone tries to persuade me that there is nothing more to the JFK assassination than the Warren Commission concluded I don't have a problem with seeing a number of people and institutions who would want something covered up or tolerate it.

    I am sure there are things you are pretty confident about but would not resist learning facts about which showed you were wrong.

  237. Castellio says:
    @iffen
    Oh, I get it. He must be another one of those “Jew haters.”

    All of us pick and choose information that supports what we already know and ignore or misconstrue information that contradicts that "knowledge." If I find a way around it, I let you know.

    It’s called “having an open mind”. Takes a surprising amount of work and self discipline… but certainly possible.

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    It’s called “having an open mind”.

    That's a description, but I am not sure where that gets us. I am sure that you, geo and I think of ourselves as open minded.

  238. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Greasy William
    This goes back to what I said about anti Israel people not understanding Israeli politics. Bibi is always in a state of panic. In Israel is well known that he catastrophises about everything and pretty much every week the Israeli media reports some new emotional meltdown he has had.

    As for your "tic tic tic", for the 8 billionth time: when and how? Who is going to stop us? Syria? They can't even defeat the rebels in their own country. Hezbollah? They haven't dared to touch us since 2006 after we completely destroyed Southern Lebanon so thoroughly that the international community needed to spend 20 billion dollars to rebuild it. Iran? We kill their scientists and sabotage their nuclear program with impunity and they don't dare to respond. Russia? We have 150 nuclear warheads on hand so unless you think that Putin is willing to sacrifice 150 of his largest population centers, Russia is out too.

    So unless you are counting on aliens from outer space coming to bail the Palestinians out, it looks like we are here to stay.

    Contributions to the world from the Zionists

    1Creating child (girl ) bomber
    2 Killing innocents fleeing civilians and coreligionist
    3 Bombing non armed innocent civilians
    4 Letter Bomb
    5.1st Hijacking of Passenger plane
    6Killing the benefactors
    7Teaching tortures to Persia, USA
    8 Inventing ideas to contradict and disable former ideas while both are full of contradictions ,inconsistencies ,illogicality, and immorality –
    9 Killing scientists

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  239. iffen says:
    @Castellio
    It's called "having an open mind". Takes a surprising amount of work and self discipline... but certainly possible.

    It’s called “having an open mind”.

    That’s a description, but I am not sure where that gets us. I am sure that you, geo and I think of ourselves as open minded.

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    • Replies: @Castellio
    Not a description, a practice. Never fully accomplished. Each day the challenge is renewed.

    I am not open-minded. I try to be open-minded. Often fail. Often aware of those failures. That awareness is what moves the conversation forward.

  240. Castellio says:
    @iffen
    It’s called “having an open mind”.

    That's a description, but I am not sure where that gets us. I am sure that you, geo and I think of ourselves as open minded.

    Not a description, a practice. Never fully accomplished. Each day the challenge is renewed.

    I am not open-minded. I try to be open-minded. Often fail. Often aware of those failures. That awareness is what moves the conversation forward.

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