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Marwan Barghouti has stopped drinking water. He started his hunger strike thirty-six days ago, together with 1,500 other Palestinians who are being held in Israeli prisons. Each day the strikers have been drinking water mixed with salt, the salt needed to keep their electrolytes functioning to stay alive, but their health has reached a critical phase in which they are experiencing vomiting, fainting and loss of vision. Barghouti, who has been in Israeli prisons for 15 years, is wagering with his own life in a bid to obtain better conditions for the 6,500 Palestinians in Israeli detention, most of whom have been imprisoned on faux terrorism related charges by military tribunals that have a 90% conviction rate. Nearly 500 children are among the prisoners, some of whom are only 12 years old, and there are also an estimated 500 Palestinians held in administrative detention, which permits the Israeli authorities to confine them indefinitely without any charges or any trial.

The Israeli authorities describe the hunger strike as a “violation of prison rules.” In the past, they have responded to such protests by bringing in doctors to help restrain and supervise force feeding of the strikers, but the practice proved very controversial among members of the medical profession and has been suspended, though there have been suggestions that “foreign” doctors might be brought in to do the dirty work. So it is to be presumed that the strike will continue until the protesters either win, begin to die or choose to cease and desist.

I have had the pleasure of speaking recently with Marwan’s youngest son Aarab, a graduate of St. Mary’s College of California with a master’s degree in financial analysis, who has begun a campaign to publicize his father’s resistance against the Israeli prison authorities. He has been asking supporters to themselves drink salt water as a sign of solidarity with the hunger strikers. Many prominent Palestinians have done so publicly and the practice has become widespread both in Gaza and on the West Bank as well as among activists in Europe and the United States. It is also gaining strength on the social media, most particularly on Facebook, with videos of supporters of the Salt Water Challenge Salt Water Challenge inviting their friends to join the movement. Hunger striking is the ultimate personal statement, a peaceful form of protest that can only be effective if it helps to mobilize other forces to bring about change. With that in mind, the account of the suffering of Marwan Barghouti and his comrades in prison deserves the widest possible dissemination worldwide.

Marwan Barghouti is, not surprisingly, a controversial figure. His resistance to the Israeli occupation of his homeland began early at age 15 when he joined Fatah and eventually went on to co-found the organization’s youth movement. He later assumed leadership of its paramilitary wing Tanzim, though he eventually distanced himself from Fatah due to its corruption and for a short time headed his own reform party. He subsequently rejoined Fatah in 2006 and is now a member of the Palestinian Parliament. He is widely regarded as the most popular of Palestinian leaders even though he is in prison, or perhaps in part because of that.

Barghouti’s biography reads like a work of fiction. One of seven children, his father was a migrant worker. He completed high school while in an Israeli prison, where he learned Hebrew, and then went on to complete a BA in history and political science followed by an MA in international relations, both at the Palestinian Birzeit University. It required 15 years to complete his degrees because he was exiled to Jordan by the Israelis from 1987 to 1994 for his involvement in the First Intifada after being charged with “incitement,” a favorite catch-all phrase frequently used by Israel to indict anyone who is perceived as an opponent or critic when no actual charges can be plausibly supported by evidence.

Marwan Barghouti was indeed prominent in both the First and Second Intifadas due to his undoubtedly correct belief that a powerful Israel had no interest in any peaceful accommodation with the beleaguered Palestinians. He supported sometimes violent resistance and provocations directed at Israeli soldiers and settlers on the West Bank, though he did not consider Israeli citizens inside Israel legitimate targets. In 2002, he was arrested in Ramallah by the Israelis during the Second Intifada and eventually convicted of five counts of murder plus additional charges. He was given the maximum sentence of five cumulative life sentences for the alleged murders plus forty additional years for attempted murder and membership in an illegal organization.

In his trial Barghouti denied everything but refused to defend himself, claiming that the court had no jurisdiction and that he was legitimately resisting the Israeli occupation of his home. No one was able to demonstrate that he had actually killed anyone but the prosecution insisted that he had given the orders to do so. It should be noted that it was a political rather than a criminal event and completely illegal as he was a Palestinian living in Ramallah who was being tried in an Israeli court and sentenced to prison in Israel. The Inter-Parliamentary union subsequently reviewed the case and found that it had violated the accused’s rights and that numerous international legal agreements and norms were contravened.

Since 2002, there have been growing demands for Marwan Barghouti’s release, including from some Israeli politicians and peace groups, based on his relative moderation and desire to see a peaceful transition into a two-state solution for Israel and Palestine. He has sometimes been likened to Nelson Mandela as someone who could potentially bring order and justice to an apparently intractable situation. Barghouti is undeniably more popular than either Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah or Ismail Haniya of Hamas. If he were free and an election were held today, he would undoubtedly be elected Palestinian president.

It is important to understand the context of the plight of the Palestinian prisoners to appreciate where Barghouti’s struggle for Palestinian rights derives from. Israel shoots to kill Arab demonstrators, including children, who throw stones. It engages in illegal mass, arbitrary arrests of Palestinians who do not reside in Israel but are nevertheless subject to control by the Israeli military authorities who have a relatively free hand on the West Bank. Once convicted by a military court, which is almost always the case, the prisoners are then held in Israel, a violation of international law, while their homes back in the Palestinian territories are frequently demolished to collectively punish the families. The trip through Israeli security barriers from the West Bank to the prisons requires 20 hours travel each way, leading to a 45 minute visit with a barrier in between so no one can actually see anyone else. A one visit per year limit for anyone over 16 is part of a process intended to further punish the families. Prisoners are routinely tortured by Israel, including the “Palestinian Chair”, an excruciating procedure which was developed by the Israel Defense Force’s interrogators and later taught to Americans and used at Abu Ghraib. Hundreds of Arabs have also been killed while in custody and reports of organ harvesting have surfaced in the international media.

Over the past fifty years, an estimated 800,000 Palestinians have been imprisoned by Israel at one time or another, fully 40% of the adult male population. Meanwhile, Israeli settlers run amok on the West Bank, protected by the police and army as they attack Palestinians at random and systematically destroy their livelihoods. They are rarely arrested and, if they are, they are tried in Israeli civil courts where they are nearly always acquitted. It is a situation that would be unimaginable nearly anywhere else in the world but Israel gets away with it due to a sympathetic Jewish dominated media in the U.S. and lickspittle politicians worldwide who can easily be bought or coerced.

Numerous international laws and the Geneva Conventions have been violated in the horrific treatment of the Palestinians but Israel continues to act with impunity. Israel’s colonial occupation and theft of Palestinian land are illegal and have been frequently condemned by world bodies like the United Nations. The United States agrees that the settlements are illegal, though it avoids the word, but it balks at calling out the brutal Israeli military occupation for what it is. The U.S. has also served as Israel’s protector in the U.N. and elsewhere, meaning that there is no pushback against Israeli actions that is in any way commensurate to the crimes that its government commits.

The current American Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley is a virtual echo chamber for Israel’s Foreign Ministry. She sells out U.S. interests to pander to the powerful domestic Israel Lobby which uses its money and political access to corrupt American politicians as well as judicial processes worldwide, as Alison Weir has recently demonstrated with her brilliant analysis of how any criticism of Israel is now being conflated with anti-Semitism and increasingly regarded as a universal “hate crime.”

Israeli apologists like to frame the Palestinian “problem” as a group of unredeemable terrorists who have to be dealt with harshly, a narrative that portrays all Arabs as a threat. But the reality is that Israel has overwhelming power and exercises brutal control over the Palestinian population, which is treated as if it were subhuman. Indeed, many Israelis believe that Arabs are subhuman and deserve to be “ethnically cleansed.” But a people under occupation, even if relatively powerless, has a right to resist under international law, to include the use of violence, which is what the two Intifadas were all about.

One has to hope that Marwan Barghouti succeeds in his resistance and that his son Aarab will be able to reach the widest possible audience to publicize what exactly is going on in Israel’s prisons and by extension in its cruel occupation and settlement of what remains of Palestine. And we should not forget other prisoners of conscience like Israeli nuclear whistleblower Moredechai Vanunu, who has yet again had his liberty restricted by the country’s Supreme Court. Israel is an essentially racist police state in spite of its frequent boasts about its alleged democracy but the important message for us Americans is that we have unfortunately served as Benjamin Netanyahu’s enablers. The Palestinians deserve a state of their own and the time has come for the United States to demand that Israel free all political prisoners like Marwan Barghouti and allow that to happen.

 
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  1. nobody cares about the Palestinians. Saudis and Gulf Arabs just sold them out… again.

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    • Replies: @John Gruskos
    nobody cares about the Palestinians

    That is not true. Jesus cares about the Palestinians.
    , @Amos
    Alas, more jihadi propaganda. While Israel is not helping its case through the settlement project, it is completely within its rights to keep a feral, combustive, militant society in check through any effective means.

    It is a "homo puer robustus" type of dilemma - Do you keep the wild one in chains sacrificing moral sentiment, or do you give in to sentiment, unshackle the captive and risk an attack.

    Rationally, rights are not absolutes. One's "right" to statehood cannot come at the expense of another's right to peaceful and secure living. Sad for
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  2. Lot says:

    It engages in illegal mass, arbitrary arrests of Palestinians who do not reside in Israel but are nevertheless subject to control by the Israeli military authorities who have a relatively free hand on the West Bank.

    No different than any lawful, civilized military occupation, for instance that of the USA in Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, and Japan.

    The Palestinians, after their defeat in a war they started, a war in which they promised to destroy Israel and massacre its Jewish population, had and still have a continued obligation to meekly accept the just terms of the victor. They could have had the most prosperous non-oil state in the Middle East they done so in 1949.

    It would not be as nice as Japan, as they are barbarians compared to the Japanese. Nonetheless, the Palestinians failed themselves, morally and practically, but not emulating the Japanese example under American occupation. Or of the Hong Kongese under British occupation.

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    • Replies: @Z-man
    No scum bag the Palestinians did not start it, it was landed on them by an alien invasion of their land!! Scum bag... and as I was just reminded, troll.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Which war do you say "The Palestinians'" started?
    Don't you have a problem with that script, given that Israelis keep on saying that there was (and usually say "is" despite some conceding that Israel changed everything in1967) no Palestinian people?
    In 1967 it was admitted to be a preemptive war by Israel against Jordan, Syria and Egypt so I am really at a loss to know what you are trying to say.
    , @Reality Check
    Where did my reply go? It was up for one day and thoroughly debunked Lot's talking points..and now it's gone.
    , @Reality Check
    Re-post because this was added to the queue as a comment when it was meant as a reply to Lot. Spare us the phony indignation Lot. I’m late to the party but since this is only the 2nd reply it’s likely to be read by many and I can’t let the ad nauseam propaganda talking points stand w/o addressing them. The Palestinians didn’t start the 1967 war (if that’s what you disingenuously allude to). It was started by the Jews with a sneak attack on Egypt’s air force parked on the ground in rows (and before you even try to push the Egyptian military build up or the closing of the straits of Tiran as the justification, your own Generals and (ex Irgun terrorist) Prime Minister Menachem Begin already debunked those excuses). The “Jewish state” euphemistically called it a “preemptive strike”. From that pov, Hitlers attack on Poland was also a preemptive strike as was Pearl Harbor.

    Now..if instead you were referencing the 1948 war..Palestinians didn’t start that war either. To borrow another contemporary term, it was an intervention by the Arab states who intervened to stop the slaughter, the massacres and the ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinians by Eastern European Jew terrorists. Today it would be called R2P..the Responsibility to Protect.

    By the time the Jews had arbitrarily declared themselves a state, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians (of the eventual 3/4 of a million) had already been driven out of what is now called Israel, and hundreds of their villages (of the eventual 500 or so) had already been destroyed.
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  3. Giuseppe says:

    Indeed, many Israelis believe that Arabs are subhuman and deserve to be “ethnically cleansed.”

    Untermenschen, anyone? Nazis and Israelis, separated at birth?

    La plus ça change, la plus c’est la même chose.

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    Untermenschen, anyone? Nazis and Israelis, separated at birth?
     
    And yet the Palestinian population keeps growing and growing. A curious kind of genocide.
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  4. Eagle Eye says:

    demands for Marwan Barghouti’s release … based on his relative moderation and desire to see a peaceful transition into a two-state solution for Israel and Palestine. He has sometimes been likened to Nelson Mandela

    Cue the violins for St. Marwan the noble martyr.

    What Barghouti and his ilk REALLY want is a Final Solution without a single Jew, not a “two-state solution.”

    Of course, without Israelis, West-Jordan would relapse into another over-populated post-Ottoman hellhole within 2-3 years. By then, Barghouti will long have relocated to a perch as university lecturer in the U.S. or Europe if he is not first executed by his Arab brethren.

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    • Replies: @Art
    What Barghouti and his ilk REALLY want is a Final Solution without a single Jew, not a “two-state solution.”

    What self-respecting human being would not feel as Barghouti does?

    Jews bring hate to themselves.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Squatters have no rights.
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  5. mcohen says:

    So political prisoners are not guilty of crimes against humanity.
    For instance a palestinian suicide bomber blowing up a bus full of civilians is justified.
    An israeli tank shell killing a family is justified

    So long as it is done in a political context it is justified.therefore those prisoners should be released.

    Makes sense

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  6. Gabriel M says:

    But a people under occupation, even if relatively powerless, has a right to resist under international law, to include the use of violence, which is what the two Intifadas were all about.

    Germanus Tsibouktsakis (alt. Georgios Tsibouktzakis; Germanos Tsibuktsakis; Fr Gerasimos; Gur Pzipokatsatakis, Germanos Tsimtouktsakis) was a Greek Orthodox monk and Abbot of St. George’s Monastery, Wadi Qelt who was murdered by a Palestinian terrorist on 12 June 2001 in a drive-by shooting. The killing took place during the Second Intifada, which began in September 2000. Yassir Arafat had declared a unilateral ceasefire a week before this attack, following the Dolphinarium discotheque massacre, part of the ongoing of Second Intifada.

    In 2004, Marwan Barghouti, a leader of Tanzim and al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades during the Second Intifada, was convicted of murder by an Israeli court for having directed the attack.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Georgios_Tsibouktzakis

    Meanwhile, Israeli settlers run amok on the West Bank, protected by the police and army as they attack Palestinians at random and systematically destroy their livelihoods.

    At random and systematically!

    It is a situation that would be unimaginable nearly anywhere else in the world

    Imaginary situations are often unimaginable.

    He has sometimes been likened to Nelson Mandela as someone who could potentially bring order and justice to an apparently intractable situation.

    You could also liken him to Nelson Mandela as a violent criminal.

    Anyway, I understand salt water goes well with chocolate bars.

    Can’t you do anything honestly?

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    You only emphasise that you are playing a weak hand when you make silly attempts at point scoring as with:
    "At random and systematically!"

    What's you problem with reading the chsrge as alleging that Palestinians are randomly attacked by settlers AND that they systematically destroy Palestinians' livelihoods. True it doesn't mske it 100 per cent clear whether random attacks are (or are sometimes) part of the means of destroying their livelihoods but you would better uphold Israelis' reputation for decency if you attended to the substance rather than verbal nitpicking.

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  7. KArl says:

    Spain was liberated from jihadis yesterday

    Rakhine is being liberated from jihadis RIGHT NOW

    Jerusalem will be liberated from jihadis tomorrow

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    And of course, Syria will be liberated from the Syrians, Lebanon from the Lebanese, Jordan from the Jordanians, and the five million Palestinians from Palestine. If America should be so lucky that it too could be liberated from the same occupiers.
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  8. @KArl
    Spain was liberated from jihadis yesterday

    Rakhine is being liberated from jihadis RIGHT NOW

    Jerusalem will be liberated from jihadis tomorrow

    And of course, Syria will be liberated from the Syrians, Lebanon from the Lebanese, Jordan from the Jordanians, and the five million Palestinians from Palestine. If America should be so lucky that it too could be liberated from the same occupiers.

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    8 RealAmerican > And of course


    ...we will eventually return Gaza to indigenous Coptic rule, as well
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  9. geokat62 says:

    Judging by the first few comments, it appears your “fan club” has, once again, gone into overdrive.

    All I have to say is: keep em’ coming, Phil.

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    Thanks George! Funny how they coordinate and strike fast - almost as if they are prepped and organized to regurgitate the official Israel point of view.
    , @Sam Shama
    Barghouti is a criminal, inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder. He acted as the money man, raising funds for the bombers and other terrorists.

    There can be no subjective interpretation of the video attached to GabrielM's post above. Marwan is no Gandhi; being instead, a deceitful murderer [I know the family of one of the dead in a Tel Aviv market bombing in 2002, financed and ordered by Barghouti] who finds misguided sponsorship from the naive in the West, people like you and Phil Giraldi.

    There are things Israel needs to address and redress; releasing Barghouti is not one of them.

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  10. DanCt says:

    Hilarious, how the Israeli trolls are ready to roll at the head of the comments. Good laugh to get the day going, too. Too clever by half. If only they were half as smart as they think they are, their comments might not come across as the parody of irrelevance they invariably are. At least they’re no longer resorting to the ad hominem sexual scurrility which used to be their stock in trade and now engaging in this sort of tu quoque passing for rebuttal. When all else fails they resort to off the wall anti-Semitism to poison the well of sites critical of Israeli policies.

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  11. @geokat62
    Judging by the first few comments, it appears your "fan club" has, once again, gone into overdrive.

    All I have to say is: keep em' coming, Phil.

    Thanks George! Funny how they coordinate and strike fast – almost as if they are prepped and organized to regurgitate the official Israel point of view.

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    almost as if they are prepped and organized to regurgitate the official Israel point of view
     
    I just give my opinion. Your readership is too small and too full of basement dwelling nutbars to get official Hasbara trolls. What do you think about those Codoh links they keep posting?
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  12. Z-man says:
    @Lot

    It engages in illegal mass, arbitrary arrests of Palestinians who do not reside in Israel but are nevertheless subject to control by the Israeli military authorities who have a relatively free hand on the West Bank.
     
    No different than any lawful, civilized military occupation, for instance that of the USA in Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, and Japan.

    The Palestinians, after their defeat in a war they started, a war in which they promised to destroy Israel and massacre its Jewish population, had and still have a continued obligation to meekly accept the just terms of the victor. They could have had the most prosperous non-oil state in the Middle East they done so in 1949.

    It would not be as nice as Japan, as they are barbarians compared to the Japanese. Nonetheless, the Palestinians failed themselves, morally and practically, but not emulating the Japanese example under American occupation. Or of the Hong Kongese under British occupation.

    No scum bag the Palestinians did not start it, it was landed on them by an alien invasion of their land!! Scum bag… and as I was just reminded, troll.

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  13. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    The Jews certainly are not our friends, but the concern some white people have for the Palestinians is really weird.

    They’re only Arabs, why would anyone give a shit?

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    Neither are the Jews who unfortunately we are fighting for because of their 'disproportionate' power, that's it 'disproportionate power', let's leave it at that, now go back to sleep.
    , @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    The great White legions of yore who fanned out across oceans to scour for new lands risking their lives and limbs would be ashamed that you, a feeble- minded weakling, bears their name. Arabs and Jews do have a problem in Israel/Palestine but in time they will solve it notwithstanding those who believe in ethnic cleansing; however, what will become of the sons of that race, who once ruled the world? A Lawrence of Arabia you are not!
    , @Seamus Padraig
    Why do we care? Because in the Zionist World Order, we are all basically just Palestinians, having been deprived of control of our own ancestral fatherlands by the Jew-mafia. Right now, in the west, the oppression is still just cultural and economic. But just you wait until the armed resistance starts up. West Virginia will turn into the West Bank in hurry!
    , @Rurik

    They’re only Arabs, why would anyone give a shit?
     
    a lot, if not most of Black Lives Matter hysteria is bullshit. Michael Brown was a violent, vicious and hyper-aggressive thug . It's no leap to think he attacked the cop that ultimately killed him.

    But, Freddie Grey was murdered. Sure, he was a black career criminal and drug dealer, but no one deserves to be treated the way that young man was treated. They manhandled him so savagely that they broke his spine, and then as he was in agony, they put him in the back of a police van without restraints and treated him to a "rough ride", thereby busting him up so much he died from the wounds.

    Now a person like you may say 'so what? He was just a nigger (or Arab). Who cares?'

    But some people have something that's called 'empathy' for other living beings. We wouldn't want to see a rattlesnake tortured to death, let alone a human. That's what distinguishes us humans as being humane, from those who are not humane, or to my mind- evolved, fellow humans.

    If you're OK with a man having his spine busted and then being bashed around by the authorities until he's tortured to death, then perhaps you'd make the perfect IDF soldier to patrol the occupied territories, or would be suited to working in an Israeli prison, tying young men in 'stress positions', and mocking them in their suffering.

    there are a lot of people who are like that. But I'd prefer not to count myself among them.

    anyone who's OK with what's been happening to the Palestinians for so long, is an amoral sadist. Devoid of all shreds of human compassion or decency or empathy. Hatred and wrath are what dwells in their black hearts, and cruelty the manifestation of their rancid souls.

    Sure, a lot of people suffer, and suffer worse that what the average Palestinian suffers daily. But collectively the way these people have been brutalized and humiliated and tormented beyond all notions of modern humanity, staggers the sensibilities and confounds the human spirit.

    When the Amerindian was being genocided off this continent, there was a lot of handwringing over their treatment, and efforts to mollify their suffering. Yes, it's true that they were slaughtered and driven off their lands, but it was done so with hesitation, and moral anguish. And today the wrongs are recognized and efforts are made to make amends.

    But the Palestinians are treated as if they are de-facto evil for the temerity of existing. As if God Himself is offended by their every breath.

    That is basically what drives the Zionist narrative and buoys their genocidal hubris. The Zionists actually believe, (or at least act like they believe), that the Palestinians are an affront to God, because they're an inconvenience to the Jewish people - the only people who matter, according to their Zionist beliefs. And so not only should they be genocided, but they should be humiliated and tormented and forced to suffer, and suffer, and suffer some more. And indeed, it seems that no amount of suffering will ever sate the appetite for these racial supremacist's insatiable cruelty and need to see others stripped of their dignity.

    I'm ranting at this point, but I'm sincerely trying to edify you as to why some of us are so concerned for mere Arabs, as you call them.

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  14. DaveE says:

    Powerfully written analysis and cuts to the bone. Well done Mr. Giraldi.

    I knew before I read the comments so far who would be first to rev up the lie machine. Never changes, just like the Chosenites’ persecution of anyone they don’t like.

    God Bless Mr. Barghouti and his fellow heroes.

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  15. Z-man says:

    The current American Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley is a virtual echo chamber for Israel’s Foreign Ministry. She sells out U.S. interests to pander to the powerful domestic Israel Lobby which uses its money and political access to corrupt American politicians as well as judicial processes worldwide, as Alison Weir has recently demonstrated with her brilliant analysis of how any criticism of Israel is now being conflated with anti-Semitism and increasingly regarded as a universal “hate crime.”

    Bares repeating.

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  16. @Giuseppe
    Indeed, many Israelis believe that Arabs are subhuman and deserve to be “ethnically cleansed.”

    Untermenschen, anyone? Nazis and Israelis, separated at birth?

    La plus ça change, la plus c'est la même chose.

    Untermenschen, anyone? Nazis and Israelis, separated at birth?

    And yet the Palestinian population keeps growing and growing. A curious kind of genocide.

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    Judah baby , if not genocide then ethnic cleansing for a greater Ishrael, the most artificial of nation states out there. Without the given and stolen money from the West, Izzy would not exist. Now, go back to your kibbutz.
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  17. The saltwater challenge is a nice symbolic gesture, but to really make a point it’s necessary to join the hunger strike! Be a man!

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    • Replies: @RealAmerican
    Mr. Giraldi is indeed a most courageous, honorable and patriotic man. Methinks he hit the nail on the head and touched a raw nerve with those who aren't, such as the like of Judah Benjamin Hur.
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  18. Z-man says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    The Jews certainly are not our friends, but the concern some white people have for the Palestinians is really weird.

    They're only Arabs, why would anyone give a shit?

    Neither are the Jews who unfortunately we are fighting for because of their ‘disproportionate’ power, that’s it ‘disproportionate power’, let’s leave it at that, now go back to sleep.

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  19. Z-man says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur

    Untermenschen, anyone? Nazis and Israelis, separated at birth?
     
    And yet the Palestinian population keeps growing and growing. A curious kind of genocide.

    Judah baby , if not genocide then ethnic cleansing for a greater Ishrael, the most artificial of nation states out there. Without the given and stolen money from the West, Izzy would not exist. Now, go back to your kibbutz.

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  20. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    The saltwater challenge is a nice symbolic gesture, but to really make a point it's necessary to join the hunger strike! Be a man!

    Mr. Giraldi is indeed a most courageous, honorable and patriotic man. Methinks he hit the nail on the head and touched a raw nerve with those who aren’t, such as the like of Judah Benjamin Hur.

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    • Agree: geokat62
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    The Arab lack of honor and morality is one reason they are so terrible at war. Easily conquered and occupied for centuries by the Ottomans, even during their long "sick man of Europe phase." Even as the Ottomans were defeated again and again not just by Russians, but by under-supplied and disorganized Greek and Slav peasant armies. Then the British effortlessly held onto Palestine until, not the Arabs, but the small Jewish minority population rebelled and sent them packing.

    During the first Arab-Israel war, the Arab armies all fled like cowards before an enemy who they outnumbered more than 5 to 1 and started the war surrounding on all sides.

    Today the Turks are able to control their large Kurdish population. But in Syria and Iraq, the Kurds, who are Iranic/Caucasian hybrids, not Arabs, are far better warriors and control areas far larger than their share of population. They also run their zones with more justice and less corruption.
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  21. schmenz says:

    Great piece, Mr G.

    Sadly the Israelis could care less what anyone thinks about their actions. They hold nearly all the cards and, that being so, have raised arrogance to an art form.

    Finally, what’s old is what’s new: “And they all fled for fear of the Jews.”

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  22. Sherman says:

    I’m glad President Trump is in Israel today giving speeches that underscore the strong bond between the US and Israel.

    As an aside an Israeli prison is probably the safest place on earth for Barghouti as Hamas wants him dead even more than the Israelis do.

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    underscore the strong bond

    unshakable

    "reaffirm the unshakable bond between the United States and Israel."
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  23. @Thorfinnsson
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    The Jews certainly are not our friends, but the concern some white people have for the Palestinians is really weird.

    They're only Arabs, why would anyone give a shit?

    The great White legions of yore who fanned out across oceans to scour for new lands risking their lives and limbs would be ashamed that you, a feeble- minded weakling, bears their name. Arabs and Jews do have a problem in Israel/Palestine but in time they will solve it notwithstanding those who believe in ethnic cleansing; however, what will become of the sons of that race, who once ruled the world? A Lawrence of Arabia you are not!

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  24. At the end of WWI European immigrants to Palestine constituted less than 15% of the population. But the British Mandatory regime imposed upon the local population an unwanted and uninvited wave of foreigners intent on creating their own state at the expense of the indigenous inhabitants. The Palestinians were right to resist that invasion and are right in continuing to do so.

    At the present moment, 50 years after the start of their “lawful, civilized military occupation”, the Zionists are in the process of stealing the remaining 22% of Palestine that they were unable to obtain in 1949. In this greedy and criminal activity they are assisted by a loud and well funded chorus of supporters around the world. That the Palestinians are able to continue their resistance is a tribute to the justice of their cause.

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    From the end of WWI to Israel's establishment in 1948 the Arab population of Palestine (and they were called Arabs back then, not Palestinians) also mushroomed.

    In fact, annual Arab immigration to Palestine during this period was often greater than Jewish immigration to Palestine.

    Arabs had large porous borders through which they could easily slip through from surrounding Arab countries. The Jews could basically only enter through the highly controlled and regulated ports of Haifa and Jaffa.

    The descendants of these Arab migrants are today's "indigenous Palestinians".

    But hey, let's not confuse you with the facts.
    , @naro
    150 years ago Jews were the majority in Jerusalem. Look up Secretary of State Seward's report from 1859 and 1871. Jews were the "Palestinians" under Turkish and British rule. Arabs were Arabs not Palestinians.
    , @Eagle Eye

    At the present moment, 50 years after the start of their “lawful, civilized military occupation”, the Zionists are in the process of stealing the remaining 22% of Palestine that they were unable to obtain in 1949.
     
    That's what happens if you get your information from Puffington Host.

    The Arabs got the lion's share of Mandatory Palestine. The Arab part of Palestine is currently known as Jordan. The Arab (Jordanian) territory is far larger than all of Israel.

    https://riversong.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/1920-mandate-palestine.jpg

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  25. nsa says:

    To this day, many euros think cleaning out the jooies was worth being overrun by the nazis for a few years……especially the french and dutch. It’s the nimby principle writ large………

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  26. iffen says:
    @Sherman
    I'm glad President Trump is in Israel today giving speeches that underscore the strong bond between the US and Israel.

    As an aside an Israeli prison is probably the safest place on earth for Barghouti as Hamas wants him dead even more than the Israelis do.

    underscore the strong bond

    unshakable

    “reaffirm the unshakable bond between the United States and Israel.”

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  27. Todd says:

    Great article Mr. Giraldi. Calling as “trolls” the commenters here defending the Israeli barbarous and savage treatment of the Palestinians isn’t quite adequate as many of the them are no doubt Israeli government employees as the organized “hasbara” disinformation office. Anyone defending the Israelis on this is also defending the endless and continuing war of aggression the Israeli Defense Forces are waging on the Palestinians as that is what “military occupation” is, warfare, and these same IDF defenders are effectively defending genocide as well as it is apparent where the Israelis are going with their fascist elements in the government: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.791115

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  28. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62
    Judging by the first few comments, it appears your "fan club" has, once again, gone into overdrive.

    All I have to say is: keep em' coming, Phil.

    Barghouti is a criminal, inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder. He acted as the money man, raising funds for the bombers and other terrorists.

    There can be no subjective interpretation of the video attached to GabrielM’s post above. Marwan is no Gandhi; being instead, a deceitful murderer [I know the family of one of the dead in a Tel Aviv market bombing in 2002, financed and ordered by Barghouti] who finds misguided sponsorship from the naive in the West, people like you and Phil Giraldi.

    There are things Israel needs to address and redress; releasing Barghouti is not one of them.

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    How do you know that Barghouti is not the next Menachem Begin? Or should we laud Israeli terrorists?
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Israeli psychopaths are out in force, Phil Giraldi having touched a very reactive nerve; Phil doesn't need a "Palestinian chair" to cause these morally depraved hasbarats to boast of their inhumanity.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/7/ex_abu_ghraib_interrogator_israelis_trained


    Raad Hussein is bound to the Palestinian chair. His hands are tied to his ankles. The chair forces him to lean forward in a crouch, forcing all of his weight onto his thighs. It’s as if he’s been trapped in the act of kneeling down to pray, his knees frozen just above the floor, his arms pinned below his legs. He is blindfolded. His head has collapsed into his chest. He wheezes and gasps for air. There is a pool of urine at his feet. He moans: too tired to cry, but in too much pain to remain silent.

    “Henson comes out into the hallway and walks past the room. He covers the side of his face as he walks by and says, 'I don't even want to know.’

    "I am silent. This is a sin. I know it as soon as I see it. There will be no atonement for it. In the coming years, I won’t have the audacity to seek it. Witnessing a man being tortured in the Palestinian chair requires the witness to either seek justice or cover his face. Like Henson in Fallujah, I’ll spend the rest of my life covering my face."
     

    But this is about the American people.

    We support this shit.
    We allow our soldiers to be trained by Israeli psychopaths.

    The American president just implicated "all the American people" in the crimes of Israel:


    We love Israel. We respect Israel and I send your people the warmest greetings from your friend and ally -- all of the people in the United States of America. We are with you.
     
    No, we don't "respect Israel," Mr. Trump, nor are USA and Israel "eternally bound by shared values." We, the American people are hostage to thugs like

    Greasy William http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881669

    Lot http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881708

    Eagle Eye http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881733

    mccohen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881765

    Gabriel M http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881768

    KArl http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881792

    Thorfinnsson http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881864

    Sherman http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881928

    iffen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881951

    and Unz's own urbane, if reality-impaired Sam Shama http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881971

    These psychopaths have expressed, loud and clear, their disdain for the foundations of civilized society; they have bound us, Americans, to them in the common way the sleaziest of criminal gangs maintains their criminal discipline: by implicating others in its crimes.

    Ask yourselves, Americans, how supporting zionist criminality turned out for the British
    http://book-pdf-8b.fplys.com/index.php?page=25603

    Does any American think Israel will not turn on the USA -- strapping US in Palestinian chairs -- once it has ceased to serve zionist purposes, the USA having been thoroughly debauched morally and drained economically?

    , @geokat62

    Barghouti is a criminal, inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder. He acted as the money man, raising funds for the bombers and other terrorists.
     
    Well if Barghouti is a criminal for acting "as the money man, raising funds for the bombers and other terrorists," what does that say about the Zionist Lobby that has raised funds to set virtually the entire MENA on fire? Haven't they opened the gates of hell and unleashed the dogs of war by prodding the dumb clod to do their dirty work, by getting it to launch the phony GWOT to enhance the security of the villa in the jungle?

    In one of your comments addressed to S2C, you wrote:

    there went a perfect example of contradiction if supplementals fail to strike the chords of comprehension!
     
    Wouldn't you agree that this has to be one of the greatest cases of the pot calling the kettle black?
    , @L.K
    SHAM: 'Barghouti is a criminal, inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder. He acted as the money man, raising funds for the bombers and other terrorists.'

    BS. There is NO evidence to support your zionist lies that Barghouti is a terrorist.
    What's the evidence? Should we believe any of the excrement coming out of the mouth of such a discredited and pathetic sad little liar? Of course not.
    Some Israelis are able to tell the truth;
    Jonathan Ofir writes about the accusation that Barghouti is a terrorist:

    But let’s put the hysteria aside – what do we actually know about Barghouti’s capture, trial and conviction?

    On August 4th 2001, Barghouti went underground, following an Israeli missile attack against two vehicles leaving Fatah headquarters. He was narrowly missed. ...
    A warrant for Barghouti’s arrest was issued in September 2001, and after intense chase, he was caught by the Israeli military in Ramallah on April 15, 2002. ...
    But how was this ‘terrorist record’ to be construed?

    Israel stacked up 37 charges related to the deaths of dozens of civilians during the 2nd Intifada. Out of these, 33 were rejected by the court, as they were conducted by Al Aqsa Martyrs and showed no direct connection to Barghouti. The remaining cases included three attacks, which killed four Israelis and a Greek monk.

    “Think about it,” said Marwan Dalal, a lawyer with the Adalah Legal Centre for Minority Rights inside Israel. “The attorney-general approves indicting him with 37 charges related to attacks that led to the deaths of dozens of people. The prosecution then claims it has proof in documents confiscated by the army from the Palestinian Authority that Barghouti was personally responsible for those killings. Barghouti remains silent. And the verdict: the court throws out 33 of the charges for lack of evidence. It leaves a lot of questions about the judgement of the attorney-general and the credibility of the so-called ‘proof’ found by the army.”

    Indeed, the whole trial contained a massive amount of worrying signs indicating a political show-trial, including numerous violations of international law, which should cast serious doubt as to the credibility of it all. ...

    Ninety-six witnesses were called in by the prosecution. Two-thirds of them (63) were investigators or individuals associated with the investigation into Barghouti but unable to give a personal testimony regarding his involvement.

    Another 12 of the witnesses were victims or witnesses of bomb attacks, with no information regarding the personal involvement of the accused. Thus only 21 of the prosecution witnesses were actually in a position to testify directly regarding Barghouti’s role in these attacks. But none of these 21 individuals in fact accused him. About 12 of them explicitly told the court that he was not involved. Most of them quite simply refused to answer the questions of the court, generally on the ground that it had no jurisdiction to judge Barghouti.

    Thus the court had to fall back on statements collected by the investigators, although several witnesses told the court that these statements had been obtained under duress.
     
    Full article @ http://mondoweiss.net/2017/04/making-barghouti-terrorist/#sthash.BNL6K0eF.dpuf
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  29. Agent76 says:

    Apr 13, 2017 Silencing Palestine – Prison & Repression

    Israel’s occupation of the West Bank is an internationally-recognized human rights crime—but those being impacted are harshly punished for not only acts of resistance, but even mere advocacy for their rights.

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  30. @Sam Shama
    Barghouti is a criminal, inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder. He acted as the money man, raising funds for the bombers and other terrorists.

    There can be no subjective interpretation of the video attached to GabrielM's post above. Marwan is no Gandhi; being instead, a deceitful murderer [I know the family of one of the dead in a Tel Aviv market bombing in 2002, financed and ordered by Barghouti] who finds misguided sponsorship from the naive in the West, people like you and Phil Giraldi.

    There are things Israel needs to address and redress; releasing Barghouti is not one of them.

    How do you know that Barghouti is not the next Menachem Begin? Or should we laud Israeli terrorists?

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    Did Menachem Begin, ever, ceremoniously announce a novel "hunger strike" which included chocolate bars on a publication no less prestigious than the NY Times?
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  31. @Sam Shama
    Barghouti is a criminal, inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder. He acted as the money man, raising funds for the bombers and other terrorists.

    There can be no subjective interpretation of the video attached to GabrielM's post above. Marwan is no Gandhi; being instead, a deceitful murderer [I know the family of one of the dead in a Tel Aviv market bombing in 2002, financed and ordered by Barghouti] who finds misguided sponsorship from the naive in the West, people like you and Phil Giraldi.

    There are things Israel needs to address and redress; releasing Barghouti is not one of them.

    Israeli psychopaths are out in force, Phil Giraldi having touched a very reactive nerve; Phil doesn’t need a “Palestinian chair” to cause these morally depraved hasbarats to boast of their inhumanity.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/7/ex_abu_ghraib_interrogator_israelis_trained

    Raad Hussein is bound to the Palestinian chair. His hands are tied to his ankles. The chair forces him to lean forward in a crouch, forcing all of his weight onto his thighs. It’s as if he’s been trapped in the act of kneeling down to pray, his knees frozen just above the floor, his arms pinned below his legs. He is blindfolded. His head has collapsed into his chest. He wheezes and gasps for air. There is a pool of urine at his feet. He moans: too tired to cry, but in too much pain to remain silent.

    “Henson comes out into the hallway and walks past the room. He covers the side of his face as he walks by and says, ‘I don’t even want to know.’

    “I am silent. This is a sin. I know it as soon as I see it. There will be no atonement for it. In the coming years, I won’t have the audacity to seek it. Witnessing a man being tortured in the Palestinian chair requires the witness to either seek justice or cover his face. Like Henson in Fallujah, I’ll spend the rest of my life covering my face.”

    But this is about the American people.

    We support this shit.
    We allow our soldiers to be trained by Israeli psychopaths.

    The American president just implicated “all the American people” in the crimes of Israel:

    We love Israel. We respect Israel and I send your people the warmest greetings from your friend and ally — all of the people in the United States of America. We are with you.

    No, we don’t “respect Israel,” Mr. Trump, nor are USA and Israel “eternally bound by shared values.” We, the American people are hostage to thugs like

    Greasy William http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881669

    Lot http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881708

    Eagle Eye http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881733

    mccohen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881765

    Gabriel M http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881768

    KArl http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881792

    Thorfinnsson http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881864

    Sherman http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881928

    iffen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881951

    and Unz’s own urbane, if reality-impaired Sam Shama http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881971

    These psychopaths have expressed, loud and clear, their disdain for the foundations of civilized society; they have bound us, Americans, to them in the common way the sleaziest of criminal gangs maintains their criminal discipline: by implicating others in its crimes.

    Ask yourselves, Americans, how supporting zionist criminality turned out for the British

    http://book-pdf-8b.fplys.com/index.php?page=25603

    Does any American think Israel will not turn on the USA — strapping US in Palestinian chairs — once it has ceased to serve zionist purposes, the USA having been thoroughly debauched morally and drained economically?

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    But this is about the American people.
    We support this shit.
    We allow our soldiers to be trained by Israeli psychopaths.
    The American president just implicated “all the American people” in the crimes of Israel:

    'We love Israel. We respect Israel and I send your people the warmest greetings from your friend and ally — all of the people in the United States of America. We are with you.'

    No, we don’t “respect Israel,” Mr. Trump, nor are USA and Israel “eternally bound by shared values.” We, the American people are hostage to Zionist thugs
     

    Well said, with one added word. (grin)
    , @Sherman
    Interesting analysis, Chuck.

    Now, what was that part about your parents teaching you to respect Jews?
    , @Rurik

    — strapping US in Palestinian chairs

     

    at 40 seconds in he says 'crossing borders or going on a plane or on a ship will become more complicated' (for Americans). And just as he said, all of us Americans (and others) are now treated as potential terrorists, as grandma tries to get passed the TSA check point without an uniformed goon humiliating her.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRA5dgI4NJA

    it's worth pointing out that Ehud Barak, considering his position in the Israeli government, was absolutely aware that the attacks on 9/11 were going to happen, as his Mossad agents were arrested "documenting the event". So he had to know. And yet there he is, lecturing us all on terror, the exact kind of terror that he sat by and allowed Americans to suffer, to augment his demonic agenda. Part of which includes turning all Americans, (and everybody else) effectively into Palestinians.

    once you understand their id, it all becomes rather obvious

    Old Testament uber-tribalism that considers all non-Jews as untermenschen put here on earth by their racial supremacist god of hatred and genocide to serve 'the chosen'

    'first they came for the Palestinians..

    then they came for the Iraqis, then the Libyans, then the Syrians, then the Russians...

    I don't know what just happened in England, but I do know that it is all a direct consequence of what these Zionists are doing. Opening up Europe's borders to millions of the people they've been savaging with their Eternal Wars. Creating hatred and strife. Hatred and strife. Wars and more wars. Killing Muslims and Christians in balls of fire.

    'such a deal! '
    , @Seamus Padraig

    We allow our soldiers to be trained by Israeli psychopaths.
     
    It's even worse than you think, Solonto. There are actually now some municipal police departments in the US that are also being trained by the Israelis in crowd control, etc: http://www.mintpressnews.com/from-nyc-ferguson-to-baltimore-american-police-are-trained-in-apartheid-israel/205650/

    We are all Palestinians now ...

    , @Sam Shama
    Shall we talk about reality?

    Man is a creature apart, as I am positive you realise and require not my hand to launch a vast panoply of his contrasting behaviour, at once compassionate and immediately cruel. The baser instincts remain intact, only the methods gain in impersonal lethality.

    You seem to have encapsulated all your rage, scapegoating all of it, on your solitary enemy who you once claimed your parents taught you to love and respect: there went a perfect example of contradiction if supplementals fail to strike the chords of comprehension!

    Did you think this ostensible chair of torture is either a new discovery or one which requires special mention? [btw the chappie writing the book about his oh so heart-wrenching experience of administering torture, takes the bloody cake! He is out to make money mate, from bleeding hearts like geokat] Is it in its effect anything which any state has not employed to extract information from its enemy? Notwithstanding, I am bound to observe given a sort of Hobson's choice, I should much prefer this chair over the manacles, handcuffs and lash used in Breendonck; or the wooden horse, used for beating prisoners in the Buchenwald concentration camp; or the finger-press used to crush fingers in the Breendonck concentration camp, and, need one go on ad nauseum?

    A final remark. I am quite circumspect of people who constantly speak of moral or ethical elevations: until one is faced with the circumstances, such as the killing of one's family, one never tests the power of moral restraint and civility one is able to summon over the urge for vengeance.

    [Rurik e.g, asks me a supposedly ethical question, based on the flimsy grounds of "nativity" to the land. As if that in itself overrides the principles he claims to champion; or failing to remember that humans have always been on the move and therefore, if anything, the older claim to the land takes seniority backed by ability; and that belongs precisely to whom, Rurik? I don't pretend incomprehension of the Pals behaviour, but I insist they remain enlightened about principled realism ].


    A post final remark, I'm afraid. The overwhelming majority of Americans do not agree with you.

    , @Eagle Eye

    Israeli psychopaths are out in force ...
     
    Kind of like the joke about the old guy driving on the freeway when his wife calls him.

    "They were saying on the radio there is a guy driving the wrong way on the freeway. Be careful!"

    He answers: "It's not just one. There are hundreds of them."

    , @Wizard of Oz
    I am reminded of a witty conservative politician saying, when my state was leading Australia in providing with great attention to licensing conditions for legal brothels, that only clergymen should be allowed to hold licenses.

    Why? Because the anathematising and banning of torture is not truly simple and a great deal of the problem would be solved if it was only administered under the control of highly intelligent, thoughtful, calm, non-sadists. Abu Ghreib was a disaster that will no doubt hamper the doing of any good in the ME by the US for at least a generation. But extreme coercion obviously can get vital information in a timely way - though it is most unlikely to happen often - and the only people that any country should allow to use it have to be very special. Is it possible to choose these very special people? That's a problem. Personally vetted by Donald Rumsfeld and the head of the CIA, every one of them? Credible threats to family would probsbly be most effective but, if physicsl pressure can work then the so-called "Palestinian Chair" is probably just about acceptable. Pain should be regarded as in a different category from doing permanent and serious physical harm. Waterboarding probsbly passes - administered by clergymen so-to-speak.

    What of consequential mental harm in this soft touchy-feely age? Pass. Except to say that that it might be thought that warriors, saboteurs, spies - but not the mere accidental witness - should largely be regarded as volunteers who are fair game.

    I wonder what PG might tell us is systematic professional thinking about this? I mean intelligence professionals, not Justice Department lawyers who are only lawyers.

    And BTW my approsch to the law snd its enforcement is that all torture should be illegal but any trial should be by jury who can nullify when they think appropriate.

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  32. Rurik says: • Website

    I know the family of one of the dead in a Tel Aviv market bombing in 2002,

    I have an ethical question for you Sam..

    - if the people killed in bombings in Israel are indigenous to the land, and are descendants of others who’ve lived there honorably and peaceably for generations, Jewish or otherwise (or are tourists or are in Tel Aviv for whatever honorable reasons) then I consider their deaths as beyond tragic and a horrible crime.

    but..

    if the people killed by bombings in Israel are Zionist settlers, who are there to genocide the indigenous people and steal their land – then should anyone feel any sympathy whatsoever when such people are rightfully and righteously killed?

    I remember a close friend of mine (an LEO) who was being pressured to go to Afghanistan and work as a private contractor for security. He was told he would make a fortune in only a short period of time. I was deeply grateful that he didn’t go, because as far as I’m concerned, any war profiteers, mercs or thieves, who immorally benefit from other people’s suffering, deserve what they get by the people defending their own lands.

    When the Amerindians killed white settlers here in the states, I feel they were justified in doing so, (not that I approve of the methods)

    But my point is, if a Palestinian, on whose land an Israeli settler is squatting (having taken it though violence), decides to kill that illegal invader living in his home (or others who are perpetrating the injustice by whatever means- like the Likudniks), is there any reason why anyone on this planet should lament the life of such genocidal Zio-Nazi and bloodthirsty, murderous thief?

    I just wondered if you’d agree with that in principle..

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    if the people killed in bombings ... are indigenous to the land, and are descendants of others who’ve lived there honorably and peaceably for generations, ... then I consider their deaths as beyond tragic and a horrible crime.
     
    So you are saying that Arabs and other non-Jews who immigrated to present-day Israel after, say, 1900 have no right to be there, and can be killed with impunity?
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  33. Arabs, the descendants of Ishmael, the bastard son of Abraham and Hagar who is described as follows;

    “And he will be a wild donkey of a man,
    His hand will be against everyone,
    And everyone’s hand will be against him;” Genesis 16:12

    God speaking of Abraham’s descendants through Isaac and Jacob regarding Israel;

    “To your descendants I have given this land,
    From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates.” Genesis 15:18

    Selah.

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    That is between the Jews and the Arabs, the descendants of Abraham, the God's favorite... how do you fit into it?
    , @RobinG
    RFLMAO. Genesis: The Jewish Book, written for Jews, by Jews.

    Meanwhile, over the centuries 'everyone's hand has been against the Jews' as they embrace victimhood as a strategy, even as they scheme to demonize the Arab and the Persian.
    , @Alden
    What does your quote from the plagiarized Story of Giglamesh mish mash of myths and fairy tales have to do with anything?

    I went to Sunday school and the story of how Hagar the slave had to have sex with the creepy old coot, have a baby and then get turned out into the desert with the baby to die made a big impression on me. The impression was totally negative.

    What a culture, rape your slave and then turn her and your child out into the desert to die.

    Ever read the book of Dinah? It's just pure evil. The Jewish sheik had a daughter Dinah. The Jewish tribe shared a well with a goy tribe. The Jewish sheik encouraged his daughter Dinah to seduce the son of the goy sheik. She succeeded. The Jewish sheik made it a condition of marriage that the men and boys of the goy tribe be circumcised. The goy sheik agreed.
    3 days later when the goyim were laid low with infection, the Jews slaughtered all the men and boys who could not defend themselves and took the women and girls for themselves.

    Then there was another nasty old coot who substituted another daughter for the bride and tricked the son in law into another 7 years of slavery.

    I've always felt that the Protestant reformation was caused by the fact that the early Protestants enjoyed the sex, porn and violence of the OT so much more than the peace love and goody goody New Testament.

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  34. Sherman says:
    @JoaoAlfaiate
    At the end of WWI European immigrants to Palestine constituted less than 15% of the population. But the British Mandatory regime imposed upon the local population an unwanted and uninvited wave of foreigners intent on creating their own state at the expense of the indigenous inhabitants. The Palestinians were right to resist that invasion and are right in continuing to do so.

    At the present moment, 50 years after the start of their "lawful, civilized military occupation", the Zionists are in the process of stealing the remaining 22% of Palestine that they were unable to obtain in 1949. In this greedy and criminal activity they are assisted by a loud and well funded chorus of supporters around the world. That the Palestinians are able to continue their resistance is a tribute to the justice of their cause.

    From the end of WWI to Israel’s establishment in 1948 the Arab population of Palestine (and they were called Arabs back then, not Palestinians) also mushroomed.

    In fact, annual Arab immigration to Palestine during this period was often greater than Jewish immigration to Palestine.

    Arabs had large porous borders through which they could easily slip through from surrounding Arab countries. The Jews could basically only enter through the highly controlled and regulated ports of Haifa and Jaffa.

    The descendants of these Arab migrants are today’s “indigenous Palestinians”.

    But hey, let’s not confuse you with the facts.

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    Your bogus "thesis" about Arab immigration into Palestine is the same as that of Joan Peters-which has been entirely discredited both by Ottoman records and the commentary of early Zionists.

    Further, if you knew the slightest thing about Greater Syria in at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries, you would know that there were no "Arab countries" at that time.

    Local resistance to Zionism began as early as 1895. When the King Crane Commission made its survey of Muslim and Christian residents of Palestine in 1919 they were found to be virtually 100% opposed to the Zionist program, which they clearly saw as a threat to transfer control of the region out of the hands of its indigenous inhabitants to unwanted outsiders.

    Had the Palestinians been granted "self determination" by the Treaty of Versailles or self rule by British colonial administrators-who facilitated European immigration into Palestine in accord with the Balfour Declaration and the British Mandate-the first thing they would have done would have been to cut off the Zionists colonial project with its waves of uninvited immigrants from Minsk, Pinsk and Warsaw.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    Oh, wow: a Zionist is actually accusing the Palestinians of being illegal immigrants. Now that's rich! What's the Yiddish word for this? Isn't it chutzpah?
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  35. Sam Shama says:
    @Chris Mallory
    How do you know that Barghouti is not the next Menachem Begin? Or should we laud Israeli terrorists?

    Did Menachem Begin, ever, ceremoniously announce a novel “hunger strike” which included chocolate bars on a publication no less prestigious than the NY Times?

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    Nah, he just stuck with murder.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Sam, if that was a joke better not to have replied unless it was intentional to concede the point that Barghouti could be a Begin.
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  36. Z-man says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Israeli psychopaths are out in force, Phil Giraldi having touched a very reactive nerve; Phil doesn't need a "Palestinian chair" to cause these morally depraved hasbarats to boast of their inhumanity.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/7/ex_abu_ghraib_interrogator_israelis_trained


    Raad Hussein is bound to the Palestinian chair. His hands are tied to his ankles. The chair forces him to lean forward in a crouch, forcing all of his weight onto his thighs. It’s as if he’s been trapped in the act of kneeling down to pray, his knees frozen just above the floor, his arms pinned below his legs. He is blindfolded. His head has collapsed into his chest. He wheezes and gasps for air. There is a pool of urine at his feet. He moans: too tired to cry, but in too much pain to remain silent.

    “Henson comes out into the hallway and walks past the room. He covers the side of his face as he walks by and says, 'I don't even want to know.’

    "I am silent. This is a sin. I know it as soon as I see it. There will be no atonement for it. In the coming years, I won’t have the audacity to seek it. Witnessing a man being tortured in the Palestinian chair requires the witness to either seek justice or cover his face. Like Henson in Fallujah, I’ll spend the rest of my life covering my face."
     

    But this is about the American people.

    We support this shit.
    We allow our soldiers to be trained by Israeli psychopaths.

    The American president just implicated "all the American people" in the crimes of Israel:


    We love Israel. We respect Israel and I send your people the warmest greetings from your friend and ally -- all of the people in the United States of America. We are with you.
     
    No, we don't "respect Israel," Mr. Trump, nor are USA and Israel "eternally bound by shared values." We, the American people are hostage to thugs like

    Greasy William http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881669

    Lot http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881708

    Eagle Eye http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881733

    mccohen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881765

    Gabriel M http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881768

    KArl http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881792

    Thorfinnsson http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881864

    Sherman http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881928

    iffen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881951

    and Unz's own urbane, if reality-impaired Sam Shama http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881971

    These psychopaths have expressed, loud and clear, their disdain for the foundations of civilized society; they have bound us, Americans, to them in the common way the sleaziest of criminal gangs maintains their criminal discipline: by implicating others in its crimes.

    Ask yourselves, Americans, how supporting zionist criminality turned out for the British
    http://book-pdf-8b.fplys.com/index.php?page=25603

    Does any American think Israel will not turn on the USA -- strapping US in Palestinian chairs -- once it has ceased to serve zionist purposes, the USA having been thoroughly debauched morally and drained economically?

    But this is about the American people.
    We support this shit.
    We allow our soldiers to be trained by Israeli psychopaths.
    The American president just implicated “all the American people” in the crimes of Israel:

    ‘We love Israel. We respect Israel and I send your people the warmest greetings from your friend and ally — all of the people in the United States of America. We are with you.’

    No, we don’t “respect Israel,” Mr. Trump, nor are USA and Israel “eternally bound by shared values.” We, the American people are hostage to Zionist thugs

    Well said, with one added word. (grin)

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  37. Heymrguda says:

    Thanks for bringing this to our attention Phil.
    But with folks like Adeleson and haim Saban around, in addition to hundreds of other zionists not quite as finincially well off as them, coupled with the bought-off us congress, the situation will never change.

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  38. Sherman says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Israeli psychopaths are out in force, Phil Giraldi having touched a very reactive nerve; Phil doesn't need a "Palestinian chair" to cause these morally depraved hasbarats to boast of their inhumanity.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/7/ex_abu_ghraib_interrogator_israelis_trained


    Raad Hussein is bound to the Palestinian chair. His hands are tied to his ankles. The chair forces him to lean forward in a crouch, forcing all of his weight onto his thighs. It’s as if he’s been trapped in the act of kneeling down to pray, his knees frozen just above the floor, his arms pinned below his legs. He is blindfolded. His head has collapsed into his chest. He wheezes and gasps for air. There is a pool of urine at his feet. He moans: too tired to cry, but in too much pain to remain silent.

    “Henson comes out into the hallway and walks past the room. He covers the side of his face as he walks by and says, 'I don't even want to know.’

    "I am silent. This is a sin. I know it as soon as I see it. There will be no atonement for it. In the coming years, I won’t have the audacity to seek it. Witnessing a man being tortured in the Palestinian chair requires the witness to either seek justice or cover his face. Like Henson in Fallujah, I’ll spend the rest of my life covering my face."
     

    But this is about the American people.

    We support this shit.
    We allow our soldiers to be trained by Israeli psychopaths.

    The American president just implicated "all the American people" in the crimes of Israel:


    We love Israel. We respect Israel and I send your people the warmest greetings from your friend and ally -- all of the people in the United States of America. We are with you.
     
    No, we don't "respect Israel," Mr. Trump, nor are USA and Israel "eternally bound by shared values." We, the American people are hostage to thugs like

    Greasy William http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881669

    Lot http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881708

    Eagle Eye http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881733

    mccohen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881765

    Gabriel M http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881768

    KArl http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881792

    Thorfinnsson http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881864

    Sherman http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881928

    iffen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881951

    and Unz's own urbane, if reality-impaired Sam Shama http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881971

    These psychopaths have expressed, loud and clear, their disdain for the foundations of civilized society; they have bound us, Americans, to them in the common way the sleaziest of criminal gangs maintains their criminal discipline: by implicating others in its crimes.

    Ask yourselves, Americans, how supporting zionist criminality turned out for the British
    http://book-pdf-8b.fplys.com/index.php?page=25603

    Does any American think Israel will not turn on the USA -- strapping US in Palestinian chairs -- once it has ceased to serve zionist purposes, the USA having been thoroughly debauched morally and drained economically?

    Interesting analysis, Chuck.

    Now, what was that part about your parents teaching you to respect Jews?

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  39. Jake says:

    The Israeli-Palestinian mess is rather like the Stalin-Hitler rivalry. No good can come from backing either one.

    Semitic culture was a monster, a bloodlust freak, a riches-worshiping liar and thief, in the ancient world. Neither Rabbinic Judaism nor Islam have altered that basic cultural pattern. Yes, each has redirected it, and nearly eliminated its most horrible human sacrifice desires. but those Semitic religions remain vehicles to promote Semitic culture, which any half-brained European or East Asian should want to avoid like the plague.

    The great problem for us is that by the middle of the 19th century, the English Elites could be divided into 2 groups. One, the larger, was staunchly pro-Jewish and happy to dump on at least 3/4ths of the white people they ruled to help Jews. The other was staunchly pro-Arabic and pro-Islamic and happy to dump on at least 2/3rds of the whites they ruled to help Arabs and Moslems.

    It took a while for the Yank Elites to catch up. They were that pro-Jewish well before WW2, but they did not get the Arab-Moslem bug until the 1960s.

    The WASP Elites, in every country, are now like the WASP Elites of the British Empire under Victoria: they greatly prefer Semites to non-Elite whites. They will tax us to death to help their pet Semites. They will send us to die in huge numbers to help their pet Semites.

    The British Empire spread those cultural views worldwide before it began to falter. The US picked up the mantle and continued the pattern.

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    Basically, damn the Jews (Judaism) and damn the Arabs (Islam)... where does that leave Christianity?
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  40. Rurik says: • Website
    @SolontoCroesus
    Israeli psychopaths are out in force, Phil Giraldi having touched a very reactive nerve; Phil doesn't need a "Palestinian chair" to cause these morally depraved hasbarats to boast of their inhumanity.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/7/ex_abu_ghraib_interrogator_israelis_trained


    Raad Hussein is bound to the Palestinian chair. His hands are tied to his ankles. The chair forces him to lean forward in a crouch, forcing all of his weight onto his thighs. It’s as if he’s been trapped in the act of kneeling down to pray, his knees frozen just above the floor, his arms pinned below his legs. He is blindfolded. His head has collapsed into his chest. He wheezes and gasps for air. There is a pool of urine at his feet. He moans: too tired to cry, but in too much pain to remain silent.

    “Henson comes out into the hallway and walks past the room. He covers the side of his face as he walks by and says, 'I don't even want to know.’

    "I am silent. This is a sin. I know it as soon as I see it. There will be no atonement for it. In the coming years, I won’t have the audacity to seek it. Witnessing a man being tortured in the Palestinian chair requires the witness to either seek justice or cover his face. Like Henson in Fallujah, I’ll spend the rest of my life covering my face."
     

    But this is about the American people.

    We support this shit.
    We allow our soldiers to be trained by Israeli psychopaths.

    The American president just implicated "all the American people" in the crimes of Israel:


    We love Israel. We respect Israel and I send your people the warmest greetings from your friend and ally -- all of the people in the United States of America. We are with you.
     
    No, we don't "respect Israel," Mr. Trump, nor are USA and Israel "eternally bound by shared values." We, the American people are hostage to thugs like

    Greasy William http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881669

    Lot http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881708

    Eagle Eye http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881733

    mccohen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881765

    Gabriel M http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881768

    KArl http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881792

    Thorfinnsson http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881864

    Sherman http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881928

    iffen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881951

    and Unz's own urbane, if reality-impaired Sam Shama http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881971

    These psychopaths have expressed, loud and clear, their disdain for the foundations of civilized society; they have bound us, Americans, to them in the common way the sleaziest of criminal gangs maintains their criminal discipline: by implicating others in its crimes.

    Ask yourselves, Americans, how supporting zionist criminality turned out for the British
    http://book-pdf-8b.fplys.com/index.php?page=25603

    Does any American think Israel will not turn on the USA -- strapping US in Palestinian chairs -- once it has ceased to serve zionist purposes, the USA having been thoroughly debauched morally and drained economically?

    — strapping US in Palestinian chairs

    at 40 seconds in he says ‘crossing borders or going on a plane or on a ship will become more complicated’ (for Americans). And just as he said, all of us Americans (and others) are now treated as potential terrorists, as grandma tries to get passed the TSA check point without an uniformed goon humiliating her.

    it’s worth pointing out that Ehud Barak, considering his position in the Israeli government, was absolutely aware that the attacks on 9/11 were going to happen, as his Mossad agents were arrested “documenting the event”. So he had to know. And yet there he is, lecturing us all on terror, the exact kind of terror that he sat by and allowed Americans to suffer, to augment his demonic agenda. Part of which includes turning all Americans, (and everybody else) effectively into Palestinians.

    once you understand their id, it all becomes rather obvious

    Old Testament uber-tribalism that considers all non-Jews as untermenschen put here on earth by their racial supremacist god of hatred and genocide to serve ‘the chosen’

    ‘first they came for the Palestinians..

    then they came for the Iraqis, then the Libyans, then the Syrians, then the Russians…

    I don’t know what just happened in England, but I do know that it is all a direct consequence of what these Zionists are doing. Opening up Europe’s borders to millions of the people they’ve been savaging with their Eternal Wars. Creating hatred and strife. Hatred and strife. Wars and more wars. Killing Muslims and Christians in balls of fire.

    ‘such a deal! ‘

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    Good clip and he mentioned the Axis of terror*Iran, Iraq, N Korea months before 'Dumbo Dubbya' Bush, 'The Lesser', called out the Axis of Evil, very interestink.

    *Or as he pronounces it Terrrrowrr.
    , @Agent76
    Never believe the media! I suggest becoming a book reader and not Fiction either.

    Sep 5, 2016 9/11 Suspects: Rudy Giuliani

    Mayor Giuliani oversaw the illegal destruction of the 9/11 crime scene and is criminally liable for the deaths of hundreds of emergency workers for not passing on prior warnings about the collapses of the Twin Towers. It is no wonder, then, that the Fire Department of New York so passionately detest Giuliani for his actions in disgracing their fallen brothers and covering up the 9/11 crime.

    https://youtu.be/Cl85JSvDmsA

    America's "War on Terrorism" Author Name: Michel Chossudovsky

    https://store.globalresearch.ca/store/americas-war-on-terrorism/
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  41. @henry_bowman
    Arabs, the descendants of Ishmael, the bastard son of Abraham and Hagar who is described as follows;

    "And he will be a wild donkey of a man,
    His hand will be against everyone,
    And everyone's hand will be against him;" Genesis 16:12

    God speaking of Abraham's descendants through Isaac and Jacob regarding Israel;

    "To your descendants I have given this land,
    From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates." Genesis 15:18

    Selah.

    That is between the Jews and the Arabs, the descendants of Abraham, the God’s favorite… how do you fit into it?

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  42. RobinG says:
    @henry_bowman
    Arabs, the descendants of Ishmael, the bastard son of Abraham and Hagar who is described as follows;

    "And he will be a wild donkey of a man,
    His hand will be against everyone,
    And everyone's hand will be against him;" Genesis 16:12

    God speaking of Abraham's descendants through Isaac and Jacob regarding Israel;

    "To your descendants I have given this land,
    From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates." Genesis 15:18

    Selah.

    RFLMAO. Genesis: The Jewish Book, written for Jews, by Jews.

    Meanwhile, over the centuries ‘everyone’s hand has been against the Jews’ as they embrace victimhood as a strategy, even as they scheme to demonize the Arab and the Persian.

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    Genesis: The Jewish Book, written for Jews, by Jews.

    Cultural appropriation by Christians on a cosmic scale. :)
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  43. @Jake
    The Israeli-Palestinian mess is rather like the Stalin-Hitler rivalry. No good can come from backing either one.

    Semitic culture was a monster, a bloodlust freak, a riches-worshiping liar and thief, in the ancient world. Neither Rabbinic Judaism nor Islam have altered that basic cultural pattern. Yes, each has redirected it, and nearly eliminated its most horrible human sacrifice desires. but those Semitic religions remain vehicles to promote Semitic culture, which any half-brained European or East Asian should want to avoid like the plague.

    The great problem for us is that by the middle of the 19th century, the English Elites could be divided into 2 groups. One, the larger, was staunchly pro-Jewish and happy to dump on at least 3/4ths of the white people they ruled to help Jews. The other was staunchly pro-Arabic and pro-Islamic and happy to dump on at least 2/3rds of the whites they ruled to help Arabs and Moslems.

    It took a while for the Yank Elites to catch up. They were that pro-Jewish well before WW2, but they did not get the Arab-Moslem bug until the 1960s.

    The WASP Elites, in every country, are now like the WASP Elites of the British Empire under Victoria: they greatly prefer Semites to non-Elite whites. They will tax us to death to help their pet Semites. They will send us to die in huge numbers to help their pet Semites.

    The British Empire spread those cultural views worldwide before it began to falter. The US picked up the mantle and continued the pattern.

    Basically, damn the Jews (Judaism) and damn the Arabs (Islam)… where does that leave Christianity?

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    It is no mistake, no accident that the New Testament was written not in Hebrew, nor in Aramaic, but in Greek. That is the most important clue about how Christian churches are to operate starting with Scripture and running to the nuts and bolts of how you build and maintain a Christian culture, which necessarily will resist both wings of Semitism. It starts with Greek, the language of philosophy.

    Christianity not operating with European language and European values will degenerate into a farce of anti-intellectualism that bows to Semitism. Specifically, those European languages must be bound to, and proudly, the languages and cultural achievements of Hellenism: namely, Greek and Latin.

    Here is my warning about Germanic languages, such as English. Arabic is the only standard language of the Koran. Islam makes cultural Semites of its adherents with Arabic and resulting immersion into Arabic culture.

    Jews only recreated Hebrew within the last century and a quarter. Yes, Hebrew was the language that Jews used, and still use, to promote the Jewish form of Semitism, which is most obvious in religion. But until very recently vernacular that swerved that purpose was Yiddish. Yiddish is German, with a small handful of Hebraisms. Yiddish is the Jewish dialect of German. Jews in Poland and Lithuania and Russia and Hungary, as well as in German speaking countries, all used Yiddish. French Jews used Yiddish. Jews expelled from Spain picked up Yiddish immediately and never looked back.

    Jews for more than a thousand years have seen German as the vernacular by which they can can keep their own culturally Semitic, and perhaps bring in a few Europeans.

    Now, Jews worldwide are dropping Yiddish for English.
    , @anarchyst
    The only thing Christianity adopted from Judaism is the Ten Commandments--nothing more. In fact, Christianity is so hated by Jews, they have hatred for Jesus Christ and Mary codified in their Talmud.
    Contrast Jewish hatred with the way Islam treats Jesus Christ and his mother Mary. Both Jesus Christ and Mary are given high regard in the Islamic world, unlike the jewish hatred of both figures. In fact, Mary is specifically mentioned in the Qur'an...
    The Catholic church was co-opted and possibly mortally wounded by interference from jewish and protestant types during the Second Ecumenical Council (Vatican II). Both jews and protestants were given unparallelled access to the inner workings and had major influence in the changes imposed on the world's Catholic population.
    Absolving the jews of Christ's crucifixion and death was one major error. Of course, as is the case presently, jews got the Romans to do their "dirty work" for them--hence Jesus Christ was crucified and murdered with the jews taking full responsibility.
    Banning the celebration of the Tridentine Mass was another error. Only in recent times has the Catholic Church relented and allowed the celebration of this beautiful rite.
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  44. Z-man says:
    @Rurik

    — strapping US in Palestinian chairs

     

    at 40 seconds in he says 'crossing borders or going on a plane or on a ship will become more complicated' (for Americans). And just as he said, all of us Americans (and others) are now treated as potential terrorists, as grandma tries to get passed the TSA check point without an uniformed goon humiliating her.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRA5dgI4NJA

    it's worth pointing out that Ehud Barak, considering his position in the Israeli government, was absolutely aware that the attacks on 9/11 were going to happen, as his Mossad agents were arrested "documenting the event". So he had to know. And yet there he is, lecturing us all on terror, the exact kind of terror that he sat by and allowed Americans to suffer, to augment his demonic agenda. Part of which includes turning all Americans, (and everybody else) effectively into Palestinians.

    once you understand their id, it all becomes rather obvious

    Old Testament uber-tribalism that considers all non-Jews as untermenschen put here on earth by their racial supremacist god of hatred and genocide to serve 'the chosen'

    'first they came for the Palestinians..

    then they came for the Iraqis, then the Libyans, then the Syrians, then the Russians...

    I don't know what just happened in England, but I do know that it is all a direct consequence of what these Zionists are doing. Opening up Europe's borders to millions of the people they've been savaging with their Eternal Wars. Creating hatred and strife. Hatred and strife. Wars and more wars. Killing Muslims and Christians in balls of fire.

    'such a deal! '

    Good clip and he mentioned the Axis of terror*Iran, Iraq, N Korea months before ‘Dumbo Dubbya’ Bush, ‘The Lesser’, called out the Axis of Evil, very interestink.

    *Or as he pronounces it Terrrrowrr.

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  45. @Thorfinnsson
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    The Jews certainly are not our friends, but the concern some white people have for the Palestinians is really weird.

    They're only Arabs, why would anyone give a shit?

    Why do we care? Because in the Zionist World Order, we are all basically just Palestinians, having been deprived of control of our own ancestral fatherlands by the Jew-mafia. Right now, in the west, the oppression is still just cultural and economic. But just you wait until the armed resistance starts up. West Virginia will turn into the West Bank in hurry!

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  46. iffen says:
    @RobinG
    RFLMAO. Genesis: The Jewish Book, written for Jews, by Jews.

    Meanwhile, over the centuries 'everyone's hand has been against the Jews' as they embrace victimhood as a strategy, even as they scheme to demonize the Arab and the Persian.

    Genesis: The Jewish Book, written for Jews, by Jews.

    Cultural appropriation by Christians on a cosmic scale. :)

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  47. @SolontoCroesus
    Israeli psychopaths are out in force, Phil Giraldi having touched a very reactive nerve; Phil doesn't need a "Palestinian chair" to cause these morally depraved hasbarats to boast of their inhumanity.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/7/ex_abu_ghraib_interrogator_israelis_trained


    Raad Hussein is bound to the Palestinian chair. His hands are tied to his ankles. The chair forces him to lean forward in a crouch, forcing all of his weight onto his thighs. It’s as if he’s been trapped in the act of kneeling down to pray, his knees frozen just above the floor, his arms pinned below his legs. He is blindfolded. His head has collapsed into his chest. He wheezes and gasps for air. There is a pool of urine at his feet. He moans: too tired to cry, but in too much pain to remain silent.

    “Henson comes out into the hallway and walks past the room. He covers the side of his face as he walks by and says, 'I don't even want to know.’

    "I am silent. This is a sin. I know it as soon as I see it. There will be no atonement for it. In the coming years, I won’t have the audacity to seek it. Witnessing a man being tortured in the Palestinian chair requires the witness to either seek justice or cover his face. Like Henson in Fallujah, I’ll spend the rest of my life covering my face."
     

    But this is about the American people.

    We support this shit.
    We allow our soldiers to be trained by Israeli psychopaths.

    The American president just implicated "all the American people" in the crimes of Israel:


    We love Israel. We respect Israel and I send your people the warmest greetings from your friend and ally -- all of the people in the United States of America. We are with you.
     
    No, we don't "respect Israel," Mr. Trump, nor are USA and Israel "eternally bound by shared values." We, the American people are hostage to thugs like

    Greasy William http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881669

    Lot http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881708

    Eagle Eye http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881733

    mccohen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881765

    Gabriel M http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881768

    KArl http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881792

    Thorfinnsson http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881864

    Sherman http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881928

    iffen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881951

    and Unz's own urbane, if reality-impaired Sam Shama http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881971

    These psychopaths have expressed, loud and clear, their disdain for the foundations of civilized society; they have bound us, Americans, to them in the common way the sleaziest of criminal gangs maintains their criminal discipline: by implicating others in its crimes.

    Ask yourselves, Americans, how supporting zionist criminality turned out for the British
    http://book-pdf-8b.fplys.com/index.php?page=25603

    Does any American think Israel will not turn on the USA -- strapping US in Palestinian chairs -- once it has ceased to serve zionist purposes, the USA having been thoroughly debauched morally and drained economically?

    We allow our soldiers to be trained by Israeli psychopaths.

    It’s even worse than you think, Solonto. There are actually now some municipal police departments in the US that are also being trained by the Israelis in crowd control, etc: http://www.mintpressnews.com/from-nyc-ferguson-to-baltimore-american-police-are-trained-in-apartheid-israel/205650/

    We are all Palestinians now …

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    Yeah, I agree with you. The Israelis have some pretty cool techniques.

    I've been studying Krav Maga on and off for about ten years now. Awesome workout, great way to build confidence, release stress and, of course, learn self-defense.

    There are some pretty good Americans who teach it but I prefer Israeli instructors as they've been trained directly by the IDF.

    There are actually a couple of cops in my class who told me it's helped protect them on the job.
    , @Z-man
    It's even worse than that!!!!!
    The Israeli defense industry, bankrolled in large part by the American taxpayer has weaseled it's way into accessing very sensitive electronic encrypting/codes, whatever you call it, on devices that it builds or installs as a sub contractor, that gets put in many western aircraft, that can jam and bring them down. Even Russian AC have some Israeli components. A few years ago the Algerians learned of the Israeli parts in their brand spanking new Su 27's and had the Russians replace those items from their aircraft.
    So it's worse than you think!
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  48. L.K says:

    One of the problems for most people to understand the Palestinian conflict is that there are so many Zionist LIES surrounding its origins and the reasons it persists. These need to be exposed.
    Author Alison Weir, mentioned by Giraldi in his piece, is one of several researchers who have exposed many zio falsehoods.

    To better understand the Palestinian bid for membership in the United Nations, it is important to understand the original 1947 U.N. action on Israel-Palestine.

    The common representation of Israel’s birth is that the U.N. created Israel, that the world was in favor of this move, and that the U.S. governmental establishment supported it. All these assumptions are demonstrably incorrect.

    In reality, while the U.N. General Assembly recommended the creation of a Jewish state in part of Palestine, that recommendation was non-binding and never implemented by the Security Council.

    Second, the General Assembly passed that recommendation only after Israel proponents threatened and bribed numerous countries in order to gain a required two-thirds of votes.

    Third, the U.S. administration supported the recommendation out of domestic electoral considerations and took this position over the strenuous objections of the State Department, the CIA, and the Pentagon.

    The passage of the General Assembly recommendation sparked increased violence in the region. Over the following months the armed wing of the pro-Israel movement, which had long been preparing for war, perpetrated a series of massacres and expulsions throughout Palestine, implementing a plan to clear the way for a majority-Jewish state.

    It was this armed aggression, and the ethnic cleansing of at least three-quarters of a million indigenous Palestinians, that created the Jewish state on land that had been 95 percent non-Jewish prior to Zionist immigration and that even after years of immigration remained 70 percent non-Jewish. And despite the shallow patina of legality its partisans extracted from the General Assembly, Israel was born over the opposition of American experts and of governments around the world, who opposed it on both pragmatic and moral grounds.

    Let us look at the specifics.

    http://original.antiwar.com/alison-weir/2011/10/10/the-real-story-of-how-israel-was-created/

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    President Harry Truman--that two-bit hack out of the Pendergast machine--recognized the Zionist entity in return for $2 million in campaign contributions from pro-Zionist sources.
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  49. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Israeli psychopaths are out in force, Phil Giraldi having touched a very reactive nerve; Phil doesn't need a "Palestinian chair" to cause these morally depraved hasbarats to boast of their inhumanity.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/7/ex_abu_ghraib_interrogator_israelis_trained


    Raad Hussein is bound to the Palestinian chair. His hands are tied to his ankles. The chair forces him to lean forward in a crouch, forcing all of his weight onto his thighs. It’s as if he’s been trapped in the act of kneeling down to pray, his knees frozen just above the floor, his arms pinned below his legs. He is blindfolded. His head has collapsed into his chest. He wheezes and gasps for air. There is a pool of urine at his feet. He moans: too tired to cry, but in too much pain to remain silent.

    “Henson comes out into the hallway and walks past the room. He covers the side of his face as he walks by and says, 'I don't even want to know.’

    "I am silent. This is a sin. I know it as soon as I see it. There will be no atonement for it. In the coming years, I won’t have the audacity to seek it. Witnessing a man being tortured in the Palestinian chair requires the witness to either seek justice or cover his face. Like Henson in Fallujah, I’ll spend the rest of my life covering my face."
     

    But this is about the American people.

    We support this shit.
    We allow our soldiers to be trained by Israeli psychopaths.

    The American president just implicated "all the American people" in the crimes of Israel:


    We love Israel. We respect Israel and I send your people the warmest greetings from your friend and ally -- all of the people in the United States of America. We are with you.
     
    No, we don't "respect Israel," Mr. Trump, nor are USA and Israel "eternally bound by shared values." We, the American people are hostage to thugs like

    Greasy William http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881669

    Lot http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881708

    Eagle Eye http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881733

    mccohen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881765

    Gabriel M http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881768

    KArl http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881792

    Thorfinnsson http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881864

    Sherman http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881928

    iffen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881951

    and Unz's own urbane, if reality-impaired Sam Shama http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881971

    These psychopaths have expressed, loud and clear, their disdain for the foundations of civilized society; they have bound us, Americans, to them in the common way the sleaziest of criminal gangs maintains their criminal discipline: by implicating others in its crimes.

    Ask yourselves, Americans, how supporting zionist criminality turned out for the British
    http://book-pdf-8b.fplys.com/index.php?page=25603

    Does any American think Israel will not turn on the USA -- strapping US in Palestinian chairs -- once it has ceased to serve zionist purposes, the USA having been thoroughly debauched morally and drained economically?

    Shall we talk about reality?

    Man is a creature apart, as I am positive you realise and require not my hand to launch a vast panoply of his contrasting behaviour, at once compassionate and immediately cruel. The baser instincts remain intact, only the methods gain in impersonal lethality.

    You seem to have encapsulated all your rage, scapegoating all of it, on your solitary enemy who you once claimed your parents taught you to love and respect: there went a perfect example of contradiction if supplementals fail to strike the chords of comprehension!

    Did you think this ostensible chair of torture is either a new discovery or one which requires special mention? [btw the chappie writing the book about his oh so heart-wrenching experience of administering torture, takes the bloody cake! He is out to make money mate, from bleeding hearts like geokat] Is it in its effect anything which any state has not employed to extract information from its enemy? Notwithstanding, I am bound to observe given a sort of Hobson’s choice, I should much prefer this chair over the manacles, handcuffs and lash used in Breendonck; or the wooden horse, used for beating prisoners in the Buchenwald concentration camp; or the finger-press used to crush fingers in the Breendonck concentration camp, and, need one go on ad nauseum?

    A final remark. I am quite circumspect of people who constantly speak of moral or ethical elevations: until one is faced with the circumstances, such as the killing of one’s family, one never tests the power of moral restraint and civility one is able to summon over the urge for vengeance.

    [Rurik e.g, asks me a supposedly ethical question, based on the flimsy grounds of "nativity" to the land. As if that in itself overrides the principles he claims to champion; or failing to remember that humans have always been on the move and therefore, if anything, the older claim to the land takes seniority backed by ability; and that belongs precisely to whom, Rurik? I don't pretend incomprehension of the Pals behaviour, but I insist they remain enlightened about principled realism ].

    A post final remark, I’m afraid. The overwhelming majority of Americans do not agree with you.

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    Rurik e.g, asks me a supposedly ethical question, based on the flimsy grounds of "nativity" to the land.

    the older claim to the land takes seniority backed by ability; and that belongs precisely to whom, Rurik

     

    the older claim to the land?! Really?

    are you suggesting that the Old Testament of the bible should be considered secular law when it comes to land ownership?

    and that if a community of families has been living on and farming and raising families on the land from the times of antiquity, that all that's necessary to claim rightful ownership to their houses and farms and businesses, is to produce some ratty parchment with some idiotic gibberish about a tribal god's deranged hallucinations from a few thousand years ago, and boom, you're free use iron age superstitious lunacy to justify slaughtering the 21st century inhabitants and stealing their homes?!

    is that what it's like to be a modern, secular Jew today?

    Is that what Tikkun olam means? Genocidal racial supremacy, theft and murder based on iron age superstitious fanaticism?

    is that what you leaned in the progressive, enlightened universities of England Sam?

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  50. He [Barghouti] subsequently rejoined Fatah in 2006 and is now a member of the Palestinian Parliament. He is widely regarded as the most popular of Palestinian leaders even though he is in prison, or perhaps in part because of that.

    This is very reminiscent of the hunger strikes in Northern Ireland in 1980-1. Historically, that was a real turning point in the history of the Troubles. Before he died of starvation, Bobby Sands actually managed to get elected to parliament as a protest vote. Sinn Fein took inspiration from this fact, and were able to capitalize on it very effectively, ultimately becoming the largest non-unionist party in N. Ireland.

    So let me raise a glass of salt-water to Marwan Barghouti!

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    [So let me raise a glass of salt-water to Marwan Barghouti!]

    Would that be with or without the Israeli chocolate bar?
    , @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Make sure to use Kosher salt.

    Meanwhile, I'll raise a glass to Michael Stone.
    , @Lot

    This is very reminiscent of the hunger strikes in Northern Ireland in 1980-1. ...a real turning point in the history
     
    37 years later Ulster remains a happy part of the United Kingdom, loyal to Her Majesty Elizabeth II. And actual Northern Irish of Catholic background don't care.
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  51. @Sherman
    From the end of WWI to Israel's establishment in 1948 the Arab population of Palestine (and they were called Arabs back then, not Palestinians) also mushroomed.

    In fact, annual Arab immigration to Palestine during this period was often greater than Jewish immigration to Palestine.

    Arabs had large porous borders through which they could easily slip through from surrounding Arab countries. The Jews could basically only enter through the highly controlled and regulated ports of Haifa and Jaffa.

    The descendants of these Arab migrants are today's "indigenous Palestinians".

    But hey, let's not confuse you with the facts.

    Your bogus “thesis” about Arab immigration into Palestine is the same as that of Joan Peters-which has been entirely discredited both by Ottoman records and the commentary of early Zionists.

    Further, if you knew the slightest thing about Greater Syria in at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries, you would know that there were no “Arab countries” at that time.

    Local resistance to Zionism began as early as 1895. When the King Crane Commission made its survey of Muslim and Christian residents of Palestine in 1919 they were found to be virtually 100% opposed to the Zionist program, which they clearly saw as a threat to transfer control of the region out of the hands of its indigenous inhabitants to unwanted outsiders.

    Had the Palestinians been granted “self determination” by the Treaty of Versailles or self rule by British colonial administrators-who facilitated European immigration into Palestine in accord with the Balfour Declaration and the British Mandate-the first thing they would have done would have been to cut off the Zionists colonial project with its waves of uninvited immigrants from Minsk, Pinsk and Warsaw.

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    Joao to Zio troll Sherman: 'Your bogus “thesis” about Arab immigration into Palestine is the same as that of Joan Peters-which has been entirely discredited both by Ottoman records and the commentary of early Zionists'

    And yet these zionist scumbags are still pushing all this BS, including the long debunked Joan Peters nonsense.
    That's what zionists do João; they LIE on just about everything.
    Not a shred of decency with these assholes.
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  52. @Sherman
    From the end of WWI to Israel's establishment in 1948 the Arab population of Palestine (and they were called Arabs back then, not Palestinians) also mushroomed.

    In fact, annual Arab immigration to Palestine during this period was often greater than Jewish immigration to Palestine.

    Arabs had large porous borders through which they could easily slip through from surrounding Arab countries. The Jews could basically only enter through the highly controlled and regulated ports of Haifa and Jaffa.

    The descendants of these Arab migrants are today's "indigenous Palestinians".

    But hey, let's not confuse you with the facts.

    Oh, wow: a Zionist is actually accusing the Palestinians of being illegal immigrants. Now that’s rich! What’s the Yiddish word for this? Isn’t it chutzpah?

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  53. Sherman says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    We allow our soldiers to be trained by Israeli psychopaths.
     
    It's even worse than you think, Solonto. There are actually now some municipal police departments in the US that are also being trained by the Israelis in crowd control, etc: http://www.mintpressnews.com/from-nyc-ferguson-to-baltimore-american-police-are-trained-in-apartheid-israel/205650/

    We are all Palestinians now ...

    Yeah, I agree with you. The Israelis have some pretty cool techniques.

    I’ve been studying Krav Maga on and off for about ten years now. Awesome workout, great way to build confidence, release stress and, of course, learn self-defense.

    There are some pretty good Americans who teach it but I prefer Israeli instructors as they’ve been trained directly by the IDF.

    There are actually a couple of cops in my class who told me it’s helped protect them on the job.

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  54. http://forward.com/fast-forward/372218/is-israel-becoming-a-gay-porn-powerhouse/

    So, Jews regained the Holy Land to turn it into Sodom and Gomorrah?

    If Jews are going to act like this, why bother to take back the Holy Land?
    Palestinians would have treated the land with more respect and reverence.

    What Jews are doing to the Holy Land is disgusting.

    I’m not religious and never have been, but I respect the historical and spiritual legacy of the Holy Land. If Jews want to promote garbage like this, they should just hand over the Holy Land to Palestinians and go hump each other’s ass in San Francisco.
    Why go through the blood process of recovering the Holy Land just to turn it into Orgy-Porgy-Land?

    It’s like rescuing your mother from terrorist-abductors only to turn her into a whore.

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  55. Sam Shama says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    He [Barghouti] subsequently rejoined Fatah in 2006 and is now a member of the Palestinian Parliament. He is widely regarded as the most popular of Palestinian leaders even though he is in prison, or perhaps in part because of that.
     
    This is very reminiscent of the hunger strikes in Northern Ireland in 1980-1. Historically, that was a real turning point in the history of the Troubles. Before he died of starvation, Bobby Sands actually managed to get elected to parliament as a protest vote. Sinn Fein took inspiration from this fact, and were able to capitalize on it very effectively, ultimately becoming the largest non-unionist party in N. Ireland.

    So let me raise a glass of salt-water to Marwan Barghouti!

    [So let me raise a glass of salt-water to Marwan Barghouti!]

    Would that be with or without the Israeli chocolate bar?

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  56. Rurik says: • Website
    @Thorfinnsson
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    The Jews certainly are not our friends, but the concern some white people have for the Palestinians is really weird.

    They're only Arabs, why would anyone give a shit?

    They’re only Arabs, why would anyone give a shit?

    a lot, if not most of Black Lives Matter hysteria is bullshit. Michael Brown was a violent, vicious and hyper-aggressive thug . It’s no leap to think he attacked the cop that ultimately killed him.

    But, Freddie Grey was murdered. Sure, he was a black career criminal and drug dealer, but no one deserves to be treated the way that young man was treated. They manhandled him so savagely that they broke his spine, and then as he was in agony, they put him in the back of a police van without restraints and treated him to a “rough ride”, thereby busting him up so much he died from the wounds.

    Now a person like you may say ‘so what? He was just a nigger (or Arab). Who cares?’

    But some people have something that’s called ‘empathy’ for other living beings. We wouldn’t want to see a rattlesnake tortured to death, let alone a human. That’s what distinguishes us humans as being humane, from those who are not humane, or to my mind- evolved, fellow humans.

    If you’re OK with a man having his spine busted and then being bashed around by the authorities until he’s tortured to death, then perhaps you’d make the perfect IDF soldier to patrol the occupied territories, or would be suited to working in an Israeli prison, tying young men in ‘stress positions’, and mocking them in their suffering.

    there are a lot of people who are like that. But I’d prefer not to count myself among them.

    anyone who’s OK with what’s been happening to the Palestinians for so long, is an amoral sadist. Devoid of all shreds of human compassion or decency or empathy. Hatred and wrath are what dwells in their black hearts, and cruelty the manifestation of their rancid souls.

    Sure, a lot of people suffer, and suffer worse that what the average Palestinian suffers daily. But collectively the way these people have been brutalized and humiliated and tormented beyond all notions of modern humanity, staggers the sensibilities and confounds the human spirit.

    When the Amerindian was being genocided off this continent, there was a lot of handwringing over their treatment, and efforts to mollify their suffering. Yes, it’s true that they were slaughtered and driven off their lands, but it was done so with hesitation, and moral anguish. And today the wrongs are recognized and efforts are made to make amends.

    But the Palestinians are treated as if they are de-facto evil for the temerity of existing. As if God Himself is offended by their every breath.

    That is basically what drives the Zionist narrative and buoys their genocidal hubris. The Zionists actually believe, (or at least act like they believe), that the Palestinians are an affront to God, because they’re an inconvenience to the Jewish people – the only people who matter, according to their Zionist beliefs. And so not only should they be genocided, but they should be humiliated and tormented and forced to suffer, and suffer, and suffer some more. And indeed, it seems that no amount of suffering will ever sate the appetite for these racial supremacist’s insatiable cruelty and need to see others stripped of their dignity.

    I’m ranting at this point, but I’m sincerely trying to edify you as to why some of us are so concerned for mere Arabs, as you call them.

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    Humans are humans, not the messiah responsible for every so called 'wrong' on the planet. We are designed to care about our immediate contacts, not people living on the other side of the world.

    And all the bourgeois 'theory of moral sentiment' in the world won't change that. 'Humans' only exist in places of the world where Brave New World types scoff wings and beer while watching the 'game'. Elsewhere, Jews exist, Palestinians exist, Tuvans exist, Armenians exist; but not 'humans'. These groups experience each other as the 'wholly other', and thus war and subjugation characterize their behavours. Into this melee come whinging Western do-gooders, complaining people are killing one another while some of the world is trying to watch television.

    I don't think its in the Western interest to support Israel, but that's a cost-benefit matter rather than a value position. Hopefully both groups can wipe each other out.
    , @geokat62
    Great post, Rurik. But I'm afraid Sam will just dismiss you, as he has done me, of being just another "bleeding heart."

    From his perspective, he'd ask: where were all you bleeding heart goyim when 6 million Jews were being exterminated?

    I'd respond: fair question, Sam.

    But I'd hasten to add: but where does that leave us?

    Are we all willing to resign ourselves to the fact that "might is truly right"... and that all acts of aggression committed by the strong against the weak must be expected as these actions are in accordance with the laws of nature? That, if truth be told, all laws are merely imposed by the strong against the weak?

    I would have thought that the Nuremberg Tribunals, in which Jewry played a leading role, was supposed to be a turning point. We were supposed to have turned a new page, one away from the unjust past and towards a more just future. Together with the Geneva Conventions against torture, the Tribunals were supposed to have ushered in a new era in which people and nations were to be held accountable for any and all acts of aggression. Where the Rule of Law was to reign sovereign. But, after the invasion of Iraq, we discovered that these were just fairy tales... meant for the bleeding heart individuals, like you and me.

    So, rather than the Rule of Law, it is the Law of The Jungle that applies, says Sam (I guess that's why Israel is referred to as The Villa in The Jungle?).

    As I keep reminding Sam, however, the only thing most people are seeking is for a little transparency about the rules by which we are supposed to play the game. Is it a) the Law of The Jungle or b) The Rule of Law? I prefer the latter, but will do my best to survive under the former.

    So, which is it, Sam: a or b?
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  57. Z-man says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    We allow our soldiers to be trained by Israeli psychopaths.
     
    It's even worse than you think, Solonto. There are actually now some municipal police departments in the US that are also being trained by the Israelis in crowd control, etc: http://www.mintpressnews.com/from-nyc-ferguson-to-baltimore-american-police-are-trained-in-apartheid-israel/205650/

    We are all Palestinians now ...

    It’s even worse than that!!!!!
    The Israeli defense industry, bankrolled in large part by the American taxpayer has weaseled it’s way into accessing very sensitive electronic encrypting/codes, whatever you call it, on devices that it builds or installs as a sub contractor, that gets put in many western aircraft, that can jam and bring them down. Even Russian AC have some Israeli components. A few years ago the Algerians learned of the Israeli parts in their brand spanking new Su 27′s and had the Russians replace those items from their aircraft.
    So it’s worse than you think!

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  58. Alden says:
    @henry_bowman
    Arabs, the descendants of Ishmael, the bastard son of Abraham and Hagar who is described as follows;

    "And he will be a wild donkey of a man,
    His hand will be against everyone,
    And everyone's hand will be against him;" Genesis 16:12

    God speaking of Abraham's descendants through Isaac and Jacob regarding Israel;

    "To your descendants I have given this land,
    From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates." Genesis 15:18

    Selah.

    What does your quote from the plagiarized Story of Giglamesh mish mash of myths and fairy tales have to do with anything?

    I went to Sunday school and the story of how Hagar the slave had to have sex with the creepy old coot, have a baby and then get turned out into the desert with the baby to die made a big impression on me. The impression was totally negative.

    What a culture, rape your slave and then turn her and your child out into the desert to die.

    Ever read the book of Dinah? It’s just pure evil. The Jewish sheik had a daughter Dinah. The Jewish tribe shared a well with a goy tribe. The Jewish sheik encouraged his daughter Dinah to seduce the son of the goy sheik. She succeeded. The Jewish sheik made it a condition of marriage that the men and boys of the goy tribe be circumcised. The goy sheik agreed.
    3 days later when the goyim were laid low with infection, the Jews slaughtered all the men and boys who could not defend themselves and took the women and girls for themselves.

    Then there was another nasty old coot who substituted another daughter for the bride and tricked the son in law into another 7 years of slavery.

    I’ve always felt that the Protestant reformation was caused by the fact that the early Protestants enjoyed the sex, porn and violence of the OT so much more than the peace love and goody goody New Testament.

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  59. Cyrano says:

    It’s one thing to be anti-Israeli and quite another to be pro-Arab. It’s not one and the same and it doesn’t have to be. Yet many anti-Israelis on this site think that it’s their duty to be pro-Arab because they are anti-Jewish. May the holy Jihad be upon them. If I had to choose between Arabs and Jews as to who deserves more sympathy, I will always, ALWAYS choose the latter.

    As John Kerry said: Israel lives in a tough neighborhood, so I guess Israelis are forced sometimes to do things that are not up to the standards of the “civilized” world. Sure Palestine lost land to Israel and maybe it wasn’t right, but it happens all the time. Sometimes you just have to move on.

    Germany for example lost almost one third of its territory to that great powerful neighbour of theirs – Poland. Yet you don’t see Germans these days strapping themselves with suicide vests and blowing themselves up in cities across Poland. Countries lose lands constantly throughout history thanks to some bad choices they have made. They have to accept the reality and move on.

    Saudi Arabia just signed 300 billion dollars weapons buying agreement with the US. They could have used that money more wisely to set up a homeland for the Palestinians somewhere in the Arab world. Arabs have millions of square kilometers of desert. What’s so special about the Palestinian desert that can’t be replaced? I guess they just don’t want to live in peace. Have they suffered injustice? Sure. They are not the first ones. They just have to let go and find another place where they can procreate at an alarming rate.

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    "As John Kerry said: Israel lives in a tough neighborhood, . . ."

    John Kerry's an Israel-First hack, so one may discount anything he says. Israel lives in a tough neighborhood? Huh? Say what? The Zionist entity lives the high life. It's awash in American money, American arms, and American diplomatic support. It's nuclear-armed, and yet it's never signed a nuclear agreement. The Zionist entity pisses all over American interests--and, incredibly, gets away with it.

    Israel lives in a tough neighborhood? Bullshit. The Zionist entity lives on Easy Street.
    , @Z-man

    Sure Palestine lost land to Israel and maybe it wasn’t right, but it happens all the time. Sometimes you just have to move on.
    Saudi Arabia just signed 300 billion dollars weapons buying agreement with the US. They could have used that money more wisely to set up a homeland for the Palestinians somewhere in the Arab world.
     
    Spoken like a good Zionist troll.

    Arabs have millions of square kilometers of desert. What’s so special about the Palestinian desert that can’t be replaced?

     

    LOL. I'll tell you what, how about the Israeli's taking Saudi Arabia up on that offer since they weren't in Palestine as long as the natives, lol. They wouldn't.
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  60. @Sam Shama
    Did Menachem Begin, ever, ceremoniously announce a novel "hunger strike" which included chocolate bars on a publication no less prestigious than the NY Times?

    Nah, he just stuck with murder.

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    Shall we talk about reality?

    Man is a creature apart, as I am positive you realise and require not my hand to launch a vast panoply of his contrasting behaviour, at once compassionate and immediately cruel. The baser instincts remain intact, only the methods gain in impersonal lethality.

    You seem to have encapsulated all your rage, scapegoating all of it, on your solitary enemy who you once claimed your parents taught you to love and respect: there went a perfect example of contradiction if supplementals fail to strike the chords of comprehension!

    Did you think this ostensible chair of torture is either a new discovery or one which requires special mention? [btw the chappie writing the book about his oh so heart-wrenching experience of administering torture, takes the bloody cake! He is out to make money mate, from bleeding hearts like geokat] Is it in its effect anything which any state has not employed to extract information from its enemy? Notwithstanding, I am bound to observe given a sort of Hobson's choice, I should much prefer this chair over the manacles, handcuffs and lash used in Breendonck; or the wooden horse, used for beating prisoners in the Buchenwald concentration camp; or the finger-press used to crush fingers in the Breendonck concentration camp, and, need one go on ad nauseum?

    A final remark. I am quite circumspect of people who constantly speak of moral or ethical elevations: until one is faced with the circumstances, such as the killing of one's family, one never tests the power of moral restraint and civility one is able to summon over the urge for vengeance.

    [Rurik e.g, asks me a supposedly ethical question, based on the flimsy grounds of "nativity" to the land. As if that in itself overrides the principles he claims to champion; or failing to remember that humans have always been on the move and therefore, if anything, the older claim to the land takes seniority backed by ability; and that belongs precisely to whom, Rurik? I don't pretend incomprehension of the Pals behaviour, but I insist they remain enlightened about principled realism ].


    A post final remark, I'm afraid. The overwhelming majority of Americans do not agree with you.

    Rurik e.g, asks me a supposedly ethical question, based on the flimsy grounds of “nativity” to the land.

    the older claim to the land takes seniority backed by ability; and that belongs precisely to whom, Rurik

    the older claim to the land?! Really?

    are you suggesting that the Old Testament of the bible should be considered secular law when it comes to land ownership?

    and that if a community of families has been living on and farming and raising families on the land from the times of antiquity, that all that’s necessary to claim rightful ownership to their houses and farms and businesses, is to produce some ratty parchment with some idiotic gibberish about a tribal god’s deranged hallucinations from a few thousand years ago, and boom, you’re free use iron age superstitious lunacy to justify slaughtering the 21st century inhabitants and stealing their homes?!

    is that what it’s like to be a modern, secular Jew today?

    Is that what Tikkun olam means? Genocidal racial supremacy, theft and murder based on iron age superstitious fanaticism?

    is that what you leaned in the progressive, enlightened universities of England Sam?

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    Hey Rurik,

    Prof. Kevin MacDonald has researched and written extensively about the Jews.
    A key to understand zionist activists such as sam the sham, is to understand Jewish moral particularism/ double standards. Prof. MacDonald writes:

    "A recurrent theme here is the contrast between the moral universalism of the West versus Jewish moral particularism. Moral universalism is a corrollary of individualism: Groups have no moral standing. Stealing doesn’t become right depending on what group the victim belongs to.

    But Jewish ethics is based fundamentally on the group status of perpetrator and victim. It’s okay if the victim is from a different group. And within the group, ethics is structured so that the group as a whole benefits: What’s good for the Jews
    ."

    It's almost as if the good professor wrote the above with the likes of shameless in mind.
    The moral particularism/ double standards of shameless & co could not be more flagrant.
    , @L.K
    Perfect answer.
    I would add that Jewish "history" is, at any rate, a big collection of fiction stories designed to achieve the "what's good for the Jews" thing. From the fraudulent zio narratives re the conflict in Palestine, to the monstrous holohoax, to the old canard that the Romans expelled the Jews in 70 A.D and much more...

    For example, Israeli historian Schlomo Sand, wrote re the various zio founding myths:

    But during the 1980s an earthquake shook these founding myths. The discoveries made by the “new archaeology” discredited a great exodus in the 13th century BC. Moses could not have led the Hebrews out of Egypt into the Promised Land, for the good reason that the latter was Egyptian territory at the time. And there is no trace of either a slave revolt against the pharaonic empire or of a sudden conquest of Canaan by outsiders.

    Nor is there any trace or memory of the magnificent kingdom of David and Solomon. Recent discoveries point to the existence, at the time, of two small kingdoms: Israel, the more powerful, and Judah, the future Judea. The general population of Judah did not go into 6th century BC exile: only its political and intellectual elite were forced to settle in Babylon. This decisive encounter with Persian religion gave birth to Jewish monotheism.

    Then there is the question of the exile of 70 AD. There has been no real research into this turning point in Jewish history, the cause of the diaspora. And for a simple reason: the Romans never exiled any nation from anywhere on the eastern seaboard of the Mediterranean. Apart from enslaved prisoners, the population of Judea continued to live on their lands, even after the destruction of the second temple. Some converted to Christianity in the 4th century, while the majority embraced Islam during the 7th century Arab conquest.

     
    , @Sam Shama

    are you suggesting that the Old Testament of the bible should be considered secular law when it comes to land ownership?
     
    You weren't applying the secular law when insisting nativity stands above all else including killing those not considered native by your definition with untroubled abandon. So, please, stick to the premise of your own standards at least. Secular law is that which a well-defined polity creates and observes in the conduct of its affairs. Non-citizens can be considered ex-judice when their endeavour consists in the main, a desire to destroy the established polity. That, as we shall see, stands in conflict with principled realism.

    Ever thought through that idea of principled realism, based on which the Trump administration proposes to approach the Israeli-Pal impasse? Bickering over who lived there since antiquity will find you wanting at every turn you attempt to invoke it. Palestinians require a state; yet they shall only have what both parties can agree to. Encouraging them to carry on with their abysmal dream of throwing the Jews into the sea will get them precisely naught. So you might say of the enablers, the bleeding hearts busy at the keyboards, that of all actors, they do to the Pals a service the latter need the least.

    Tikkun Olam refers to fixing the world; and yes, that idea demands that Jews fix the condition in which Pals find themselves, an outcome born of a combination of historical forces, some of their own making but a great deal beyond their agency or ability to influence. A long discussion, quite beyond the scope of this entry.

    And certainly not for the viewing of itinerant reptiles like L.K. who cannot open their frontal orifices without discharging excrement.

    England and her universities [both of them :-) ] will impress on all souls and fellows that which my meagre pen could only deliver in part.


    Over and out.

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  62. @Seamus Padraig

    He [Barghouti] subsequently rejoined Fatah in 2006 and is now a member of the Palestinian Parliament. He is widely regarded as the most popular of Palestinian leaders even though he is in prison, or perhaps in part because of that.
     
    This is very reminiscent of the hunger strikes in Northern Ireland in 1980-1. Historically, that was a real turning point in the history of the Troubles. Before he died of starvation, Bobby Sands actually managed to get elected to parliament as a protest vote. Sinn Fein took inspiration from this fact, and were able to capitalize on it very effectively, ultimately becoming the largest non-unionist party in N. Ireland.

    So let me raise a glass of salt-water to Marwan Barghouti!

    Make sure to use Kosher salt.

    Meanwhile, I’ll raise a glass to Michael Stone.

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    Meanwhile, I’ll raise a glass to Michael Stone.
     
    A militant Unionist Jew? Interesting. I have to admit, you're the first I've encountered ...
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  63. naro says:
    @JoaoAlfaiate
    At the end of WWI European immigrants to Palestine constituted less than 15% of the population. But the British Mandatory regime imposed upon the local population an unwanted and uninvited wave of foreigners intent on creating their own state at the expense of the indigenous inhabitants. The Palestinians were right to resist that invasion and are right in continuing to do so.

    At the present moment, 50 years after the start of their "lawful, civilized military occupation", the Zionists are in the process of stealing the remaining 22% of Palestine that they were unable to obtain in 1949. In this greedy and criminal activity they are assisted by a loud and well funded chorus of supporters around the world. That the Palestinians are able to continue their resistance is a tribute to the justice of their cause.

    150 years ago Jews were the majority in Jerusalem. Look up Secretary of State Seward’s report from 1859 and 1871. Jews were the “Palestinians” under Turkish and British rule. Arabs were Arabs not Palestinians.

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    And your point is?
    , @Seamus Padraig

    Arabs were Arabs not Palestinians.
     
    And Jews were Jews, not 'Israelis'.
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  64. @naro
    150 years ago Jews were the majority in Jerusalem. Look up Secretary of State Seward's report from 1859 and 1871. Jews were the "Palestinians" under Turkish and British rule. Arabs were Arabs not Palestinians.

    And your point is?

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  65. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Make sure to use Kosher salt.

    Meanwhile, I'll raise a glass to Michael Stone.

    Meanwhile, I’ll raise a glass to Michael Stone.

    A militant Unionist Jew? Interesting. I have to admit, you’re the first I’ve encountered …

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  66. @naro
    150 years ago Jews were the majority in Jerusalem. Look up Secretary of State Seward's report from 1859 and 1871. Jews were the "Palestinians" under Turkish and British rule. Arabs were Arabs not Palestinians.

    Arabs were Arabs not Palestinians.

    And Jews were Jews, not ‘Israelis’.

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  67. Jake says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Basically, damn the Jews (Judaism) and damn the Arabs (Islam)... where does that leave Christianity?

    It is no mistake, no accident that the New Testament was written not in Hebrew, nor in Aramaic, but in Greek. That is the most important clue about how Christian churches are to operate starting with Scripture and running to the nuts and bolts of how you build and maintain a Christian culture, which necessarily will resist both wings of Semitism. It starts with Greek, the language of philosophy.

    Christianity not operating with European language and European values will degenerate into a farce of anti-intellectualism that bows to Semitism. Specifically, those European languages must be bound to, and proudly, the languages and cultural achievements of Hellenism: namely, Greek and Latin.

    Here is my warning about Germanic languages, such as English. Arabic is the only standard language of the Koran. Islam makes cultural Semites of its adherents with Arabic and resulting immersion into Arabic culture.

    Jews only recreated Hebrew within the last century and a quarter. Yes, Hebrew was the language that Jews used, and still use, to promote the Jewish form of Semitism, which is most obvious in religion. But until very recently vernacular that swerved that purpose was Yiddish. Yiddish is German, with a small handful of Hebraisms. Yiddish is the Jewish dialect of German. Jews in Poland and Lithuania and Russia and Hungary, as well as in German speaking countries, all used Yiddish. French Jews used Yiddish. Jews expelled from Spain picked up Yiddish immediately and never looked back.

    Jews for more than a thousand years have seen German as the vernacular by which they can can keep their own culturally Semitic, and perhaps bring in a few Europeans.

    Now, Jews worldwide are dropping Yiddish for English.

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    67 Jake > the New Testament was written not in Hebrew, nor in Aramaic, but in Greek.


    try selling that song-and-dance to the Coptic Christians
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  68. @L.K
    One of the problems for most people to understand the Palestinian conflict is that there are so many Zionist LIES surrounding its origins and the reasons it persists. These need to be exposed.
    Author Alison Weir, mentioned by Giraldi in his piece, is one of several researchers who have exposed many zio falsehoods.

    To better understand the Palestinian bid for membership in the United Nations, it is important to understand the original 1947 U.N. action on Israel-Palestine.

    The common representation of Israel’s birth is that the U.N. created Israel, that the world was in favor of this move, and that the U.S. governmental establishment supported it. All these assumptions are demonstrably incorrect.

    In reality, while the U.N. General Assembly recommended the creation of a Jewish state in part of Palestine, that recommendation was non-binding and never implemented by the Security Council.

    Second, the General Assembly passed that recommendation only after Israel proponents threatened and bribed numerous countries in order to gain a required two-thirds of votes.

    Third, the U.S. administration supported the recommendation out of domestic electoral considerations and took this position over the strenuous objections of the State Department, the CIA, and the Pentagon.

    The passage of the General Assembly recommendation sparked increased violence in the region. Over the following months the armed wing of the pro-Israel movement, which had long been preparing for war, perpetrated a series of massacres and expulsions throughout Palestine, implementing a plan to clear the way for a majority-Jewish state.

    It was this armed aggression, and the ethnic cleansing of at least three-quarters of a million indigenous Palestinians, that created the Jewish state on land that had been 95 percent non-Jewish prior to Zionist immigration and that even after years of immigration remained 70 percent non-Jewish. And despite the shallow patina of legality its partisans extracted from the General Assembly, Israel was born over the opposition of American experts and of governments around the world, who opposed it on both pragmatic and moral grounds.

     
    Let us look at the specifics.
    http://original.antiwar.com/alison-weir/2011/10/10/the-real-story-of-how-israel-was-created/

    President Harry Truman–that two-bit hack out of the Pendergast machine–recognized the Zionist entity in return for $2 million in campaign contributions from pro-Zionist sources.

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  69. mcohen says:

    the salt water and bitter herb ritual at passover is an old one.looks like the arabs are ready to convert to judaism.and why not.they could then become israeli citizens.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passover_Seder_plate.

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  70. @Rurik

    They’re only Arabs, why would anyone give a shit?
     
    a lot, if not most of Black Lives Matter hysteria is bullshit. Michael Brown was a violent, vicious and hyper-aggressive thug . It's no leap to think he attacked the cop that ultimately killed him.

    But, Freddie Grey was murdered. Sure, he was a black career criminal and drug dealer, but no one deserves to be treated the way that young man was treated. They manhandled him so savagely that they broke his spine, and then as he was in agony, they put him in the back of a police van without restraints and treated him to a "rough ride", thereby busting him up so much he died from the wounds.

    Now a person like you may say 'so what? He was just a nigger (or Arab). Who cares?'

    But some people have something that's called 'empathy' for other living beings. We wouldn't want to see a rattlesnake tortured to death, let alone a human. That's what distinguishes us humans as being humane, from those who are not humane, or to my mind- evolved, fellow humans.

    If you're OK with a man having his spine busted and then being bashed around by the authorities until he's tortured to death, then perhaps you'd make the perfect IDF soldier to patrol the occupied territories, or would be suited to working in an Israeli prison, tying young men in 'stress positions', and mocking them in their suffering.

    there are a lot of people who are like that. But I'd prefer not to count myself among them.

    anyone who's OK with what's been happening to the Palestinians for so long, is an amoral sadist. Devoid of all shreds of human compassion or decency or empathy. Hatred and wrath are what dwells in their black hearts, and cruelty the manifestation of their rancid souls.

    Sure, a lot of people suffer, and suffer worse that what the average Palestinian suffers daily. But collectively the way these people have been brutalized and humiliated and tormented beyond all notions of modern humanity, staggers the sensibilities and confounds the human spirit.

    When the Amerindian was being genocided off this continent, there was a lot of handwringing over their treatment, and efforts to mollify their suffering. Yes, it's true that they were slaughtered and driven off their lands, but it was done so with hesitation, and moral anguish. And today the wrongs are recognized and efforts are made to make amends.

    But the Palestinians are treated as if they are de-facto evil for the temerity of existing. As if God Himself is offended by their every breath.

    That is basically what drives the Zionist narrative and buoys their genocidal hubris. The Zionists actually believe, (or at least act like they believe), that the Palestinians are an affront to God, because they're an inconvenience to the Jewish people - the only people who matter, according to their Zionist beliefs. And so not only should they be genocided, but they should be humiliated and tormented and forced to suffer, and suffer, and suffer some more. And indeed, it seems that no amount of suffering will ever sate the appetite for these racial supremacist's insatiable cruelty and need to see others stripped of their dignity.

    I'm ranting at this point, but I'm sincerely trying to edify you as to why some of us are so concerned for mere Arabs, as you call them.

    Humans are humans, not the messiah responsible for every so called ‘wrong’ on the planet. We are designed to care about our immediate contacts, not people living on the other side of the world.

    And all the bourgeois ‘theory of moral sentiment’ in the world won’t change that. ‘Humans’ only exist in places of the world where Brave New World types scoff wings and beer while watching the ‘game’. Elsewhere, Jews exist, Palestinians exist, Tuvans exist, Armenians exist; but not ‘humans’. These groups experience each other as the ‘wholly other’, and thus war and subjugation characterize their behavours. Into this melee come whinging Western do-gooders, complaining people are killing one another while some of the world is trying to watch television.

    I don’t think its in the Western interest to support Israel, but that’s a cost-benefit matter rather than a value position. Hopefully both groups can wipe each other out.

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    Humans are humans, not the messiah responsible for every so called ‘wrong’ on the planet. We are designed to care about our immediate contacts, not people living on the other side of the world.

    ... Into this melee come whinging Western do-gooders, complaining people are killing one another
     
    well, speaking about whinging, since I've been alive, I've been subjected to a barrage of whinging the likes of which would fill a thousand galaxies.

    the narrative of the evil Nazi and the hysterical histrionics of their messianic suffering- has permeated every facet of my existence until it has become codified into the matrix of the Western 'reality'. Holocaust here, Holocaust there. Holocaust everywhere! The seminal event in the history of the world ! Nothing come close to what they suffered.

    The evil of the Nazis defines every questionable motive on earth. Adolf Hitler has become the modern Satan, only far, far worse.

    Ask any person living in the Western world who were the most evil, evil, evil people that ever lived? And we all know the answer, don't we?

    ask anyone who the most EVIL man that ever lived was in the history of the universe. And yep, that's right. We all know, instinctively, intuitively, like a catechism hammered in with Pavlovian determination and relentless, endless repetition. Our suffering!!!!

    Yea, talk to me about whinging all you want to, but if you're alive today, you've probably seen about three thousand Holocaust/evil Nazi movies in your lifetime, and many, many more to come.

    So then that brings us to the issue of hypocrisy vis-a-vis the Palestinian question, doesn't it?

    If the most evil people in the history of the world, that ever lived and whose descendants must be reminded of their evil every single day... because they tried to ethnically cleanse / or genocide, (depending on the narrative that suits you) a race of people out of their lands...

    and if doing so was the most EVIL and monstrous and unforgiveable thing that has ever, ever, ever been done.....

    then how is it that we Americans are supposed to sanguinely stand by as our tax dollars and moral sanction are used to perpetrate an even less justifiable ethnic cleansing today, after we've been so thoroughly harangued and berated and screeched at our entire lives, that genocide is not only wrong, but the worst thing on this planet that anyone could be party to?

    Eh?

    Are we to believe that the only reason that the Holocaust was the most EVIL thing that ever happened since the beginning of time, is because it was done to the chosen people?

    and that if such a state of affairs is reversed, and it's the chosen people who are perpetrating the genocide, that we should all cheer, or at least stop whinging about it?

    pop the cap on a beer and turn on the game and pay our taxes and chew our cud?

    wow honey, it's another Holocaust, evil Nazi show on TV! That's the third one today. Get the nachos and put the Budweiser in the fridge, it looks like Meryl Streep and Liam Neeson are in this one and it's directed by Stephan Spielberg!
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  71. L.K says:
    @JoaoAlfaiate
    Your bogus "thesis" about Arab immigration into Palestine is the same as that of Joan Peters-which has been entirely discredited both by Ottoman records and the commentary of early Zionists.

    Further, if you knew the slightest thing about Greater Syria in at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries, you would know that there were no "Arab countries" at that time.

    Local resistance to Zionism began as early as 1895. When the King Crane Commission made its survey of Muslim and Christian residents of Palestine in 1919 they were found to be virtually 100% opposed to the Zionist program, which they clearly saw as a threat to transfer control of the region out of the hands of its indigenous inhabitants to unwanted outsiders.

    Had the Palestinians been granted "self determination" by the Treaty of Versailles or self rule by British colonial administrators-who facilitated European immigration into Palestine in accord with the Balfour Declaration and the British Mandate-the first thing they would have done would have been to cut off the Zionists colonial project with its waves of uninvited immigrants from Minsk, Pinsk and Warsaw.

    Joao to Zio troll Sherman: ‘Your bogus “thesis” about Arab immigration into Palestine is the same as that of Joan Peters-which has been entirely discredited both by Ottoman records and the commentary of early Zionists’

    And yet these zionist scumbags are still pushing all this BS, including the long debunked Joan Peters nonsense.
    That’s what zionists do João; they LIE on just about everything.
    Not a shred of decency with these assholes.

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  72. @Cyrano
    It’s one thing to be anti-Israeli and quite another to be pro-Arab. It’s not one and the same and it doesn’t have to be. Yet many anti-Israelis on this site think that it’s their duty to be pro-Arab because they are anti-Jewish. May the holy Jihad be upon them. If I had to choose between Arabs and Jews as to who deserves more sympathy, I will always, ALWAYS choose the latter.

    As John Kerry said: Israel lives in a tough neighborhood, so I guess Israelis are forced sometimes to do things that are not up to the standards of the “civilized” world. Sure Palestine lost land to Israel and maybe it wasn’t right, but it happens all the time. Sometimes you just have to move on.

    Germany for example lost almost one third of its territory to that great powerful neighbour of theirs – Poland. Yet you don’t see Germans these days strapping themselves with suicide vests and blowing themselves up in cities across Poland. Countries lose lands constantly throughout history thanks to some bad choices they have made. They have to accept the reality and move on.

    Saudi Arabia just signed 300 billion dollars weapons buying agreement with the US. They could have used that money more wisely to set up a homeland for the Palestinians somewhere in the Arab world. Arabs have millions of square kilometers of desert. What’s so special about the Palestinian desert that can’t be replaced? I guess they just don’t want to live in peace. Have they suffered injustice? Sure. They are not the first ones. They just have to let go and find another place where they can procreate at an alarming rate.

    “As John Kerry said: Israel lives in a tough neighborhood, . . .”

    John Kerry’s an Israel-First hack, so one may discount anything he says. Israel lives in a tough neighborhood? Huh? Say what? The Zionist entity lives the high life. It’s awash in American money, American arms, and American diplomatic support. It’s nuclear-armed, and yet it’s never signed a nuclear agreement. The Zionist entity pisses all over American interests–and, incredibly, gets away with it.

    Israel lives in a tough neighborhood? Bullshit. The Zionist entity lives on Easy Street.

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  73. Rurik says: • Website
    @Lemurmaniac
    Humans are humans, not the messiah responsible for every so called 'wrong' on the planet. We are designed to care about our immediate contacts, not people living on the other side of the world.

    And all the bourgeois 'theory of moral sentiment' in the world won't change that. 'Humans' only exist in places of the world where Brave New World types scoff wings and beer while watching the 'game'. Elsewhere, Jews exist, Palestinians exist, Tuvans exist, Armenians exist; but not 'humans'. These groups experience each other as the 'wholly other', and thus war and subjugation characterize their behavours. Into this melee come whinging Western do-gooders, complaining people are killing one another while some of the world is trying to watch television.

    I don't think its in the Western interest to support Israel, but that's a cost-benefit matter rather than a value position. Hopefully both groups can wipe each other out.

    Humans are humans, not the messiah responsible for every so called ‘wrong’ on the planet. We are designed to care about our immediate contacts, not people living on the other side of the world.

    … Into this melee come whinging Western do-gooders, complaining people are killing one another

    well, speaking about whinging, since I’ve been alive, I’ve been subjected to a barrage of whinging the likes of which would fill a thousand galaxies.

    the narrative of the evil Nazi and the hysterical histrionics of their messianic suffering- has permeated every facet of my existence until it has become codified into the matrix of the Western ‘reality’. Holocaust here, Holocaust there. Holocaust everywhere! The seminal event in the history of the world ! Nothing come close to what they suffered.

    The evil of the Nazis defines every questionable motive on earth. Adolf Hitler has become the modern Satan, only far, far worse.

    Ask any person living in the Western world who were the most evil, evil, evil people that ever lived? And we all know the answer, don’t we?

    ask anyone who the most EVIL man that ever lived was in the history of the universe. And yep, that’s right. We all know, instinctively, intuitively, like a catechism hammered in with Pavlovian determination and relentless, endless repetition. Our suffering!!!!

    Yea, talk to me about whinging all you want to, but if you’re alive today, you’ve probably seen about three thousand Holocaust/evil Nazi movies in your lifetime, and many, many more to come.

    So then that brings us to the issue of hypocrisy vis-a-vis the Palestinian question, doesn’t it?

    If the most evil people in the history of the world, that ever lived and whose descendants must be reminded of their evil every single day… because they tried to ethnically cleanse / or genocide, (depending on the narrative that suits you) a race of people out of their lands…

    and if doing so was the most EVIL and monstrous and unforgiveable thing that has ever, ever, ever been done…..

    then how is it that we Americans are supposed to sanguinely stand by as our tax dollars and moral sanction are used to perpetrate an even less justifiable ethnic cleansing today, after we’ve been so thoroughly harangued and berated and screeched at our entire lives, that genocide is not only wrong, but the worst thing on this planet that anyone could be party to?

    Eh?

    Are we to believe that the only reason that the Holocaust was the most EVIL thing that ever happened since the beginning of time, is because it was done to the chosen people?

    and that if such a state of affairs is reversed, and it’s the chosen people who are perpetrating the genocide, that we should all cheer, or at least stop whinging about it?

    pop the cap on a beer and turn on the game and pay our taxes and chew our cud?

    wow honey, it’s another Holocaust, evil Nazi show on TV! That’s the third one today. Get the nachos and put the Budweiser in the fridge, it looks like Meryl Streep and Liam Neeson are in this one and it’s directed by Stephan Spielberg!

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    Yeah, it's always fun to review Netflix's newest offerings to see what new hocaust/nazi stuff has been added. I have this game I play with my wife where I predict which will focus on the nazis. Am almost always right -- anything that shows people in 1940s fashions is a dead giveaway. It's reached the point where it's kind of comical.
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  74. geokat62 says:
    @Rurik

    They’re only Arabs, why would anyone give a shit?
     
    a lot, if not most of Black Lives Matter hysteria is bullshit. Michael Brown was a violent, vicious and hyper-aggressive thug . It's no leap to think he attacked the cop that ultimately killed him.

    But, Freddie Grey was murdered. Sure, he was a black career criminal and drug dealer, but no one deserves to be treated the way that young man was treated. They manhandled him so savagely that they broke his spine, and then as he was in agony, they put him in the back of a police van without restraints and treated him to a "rough ride", thereby busting him up so much he died from the wounds.

    Now a person like you may say 'so what? He was just a nigger (or Arab). Who cares?'

    But some people have something that's called 'empathy' for other living beings. We wouldn't want to see a rattlesnake tortured to death, let alone a human. That's what distinguishes us humans as being humane, from those who are not humane, or to my mind- evolved, fellow humans.

    If you're OK with a man having his spine busted and then being bashed around by the authorities until he's tortured to death, then perhaps you'd make the perfect IDF soldier to patrol the occupied territories, or would be suited to working in an Israeli prison, tying young men in 'stress positions', and mocking them in their suffering.

    there are a lot of people who are like that. But I'd prefer not to count myself among them.

    anyone who's OK with what's been happening to the Palestinians for so long, is an amoral sadist. Devoid of all shreds of human compassion or decency or empathy. Hatred and wrath are what dwells in their black hearts, and cruelty the manifestation of their rancid souls.

    Sure, a lot of people suffer, and suffer worse that what the average Palestinian suffers daily. But collectively the way these people have been brutalized and humiliated and tormented beyond all notions of modern humanity, staggers the sensibilities and confounds the human spirit.

    When the Amerindian was being genocided off this continent, there was a lot of handwringing over their treatment, and efforts to mollify their suffering. Yes, it's true that they were slaughtered and driven off their lands, but it was done so with hesitation, and moral anguish. And today the wrongs are recognized and efforts are made to make amends.

    But the Palestinians are treated as if they are de-facto evil for the temerity of existing. As if God Himself is offended by their every breath.

    That is basically what drives the Zionist narrative and buoys their genocidal hubris. The Zionists actually believe, (or at least act like they believe), that the Palestinians are an affront to God, because they're an inconvenience to the Jewish people - the only people who matter, according to their Zionist beliefs. And so not only should they be genocided, but they should be humiliated and tormented and forced to suffer, and suffer, and suffer some more. And indeed, it seems that no amount of suffering will ever sate the appetite for these racial supremacist's insatiable cruelty and need to see others stripped of their dignity.

    I'm ranting at this point, but I'm sincerely trying to edify you as to why some of us are so concerned for mere Arabs, as you call them.

    Great post, Rurik. But I’m afraid Sam will just dismiss you, as he has done me, of being just another “bleeding heart.”

    From his perspective, he’d ask: where were all you bleeding heart goyim when 6 million Jews were being exterminated?

    I’d respond: fair question, Sam.

    But I’d hasten to add: but where does that leave us?

    Are we all willing to resign ourselves to the fact that “might is truly right”… and that all acts of aggression committed by the strong against the weak must be expected as these actions are in accordance with the laws of nature? That, if truth be told, all laws are merely imposed by the strong against the weak?

    I would have thought that the Nuremberg Tribunals, in which Jewry played a leading role, was supposed to be a turning point. We were supposed to have turned a new page, one away from the unjust past and towards a more just future. Together with the Geneva Conventions against torture, the Tribunals were supposed to have ushered in a new era in which people and nations were to be held accountable for any and all acts of aggression. Where the Rule of Law was to reign sovereign. But, after the invasion of Iraq, we discovered that these were just fairy tales… meant for the bleeding heart individuals, like you and me.

    So, rather than the Rule of Law, it is the Law of The Jungle that applies, says Sam (I guess that’s why Israel is referred to as The Villa in The Jungle?).

    As I keep reminding Sam, however, the only thing most people are seeking is for a little transparency about the rules by which we are supposed to play the game. Is it a) the Law of The Jungle or b) The Rule of Law? I prefer the latter, but will do my best to survive under the former.

    So, which is it, Sam: a or b?

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    geokat: "As I keep reminding Sam, however, the only thing most people are seeking is for a little transparency about the rules by which we are supposed to play the game. Is it a) the Law of The Jungle or b) The Rule of Law?"

    From a zionist pov, the answer to your question is very simple, and it relies on the concept of Jewish moral particularism, as explained by Prof. MacDonald.

    The answer is a) AND even b) but, and this is crucial, only as long as a) and b) serve Zionist Jewish interests.

    Otherwise a honest person would have to conclude that, though the Nuremberg show trials were illegal, political trials against the vanquished, they set a bunch of precedents which should have been applied to all parties since then...

    If that were so, every zionist prime minister and president, not to mention zio military and intel personnel and many others, would have long been found guilty and executed.
    The same is true for a lot of US, Brit, French & other officials.

    Personally, I believe in the rule of the Law, obviously only if applied equally to all parties.

    But we are very far from it; I think Hizbullah's Secretary General Nasrallah's recent words are on target (May 2, 2017);

    " Do not expect from this world, from the international community, from the US, and from the west, to be fair and just and to seek to make justice. That does not mean that we must not call on them to be so. We must not stop calling on them, but likewise we must not feel sorry if they ignore us ...
    I have always told you this, and today with all of these events and developments which are taking place I tell you: we are living in a world of wolves. It's not the international law which rules; it is the law of the jungle. The strong eats the weak. If we were weak, we would be eaten. If we are strong, the world will respect us. We must be influential in formulas and equations. This world seeks interests. "
    , @Rurik

    Are we all willing to resign ourselves to the fact that “might is truly right”…
     
    yep Geo, when Sam goes on with that bent that killing weaker people and stealing their land is just human nature, I do wonder if he realizes he's providing moral justification for every questionable act that the Nazis did, including the slaughter of Russians and Poles and persecution and killing of Jews.

    I would have thought that the Nuremberg Tribunals, in which Jewry played a leading role, was supposed to be a turning point.
     
    exactly Geo

    human history up to that point never really had a universal tribunal to codify moral principles and laws to guide us all. We flailed blindly in the mire of ignorance and nature- 'red in tooth and claw'. It had been thus since the beginning of our slog out of the muck, into the inspired truths of our enlightenment. The Rule of Law.

    No more slavery. No more genocide. No more aggressive wars and stealing your weaker neighbors property. International law.

    That's what I was raised to believe. That the human race had agreed to universal principles and International Laws to establish them in the hearts and law books of mankind.

    But it was all bullshit. No sooner had they hung the Nazis, than the Zionists started plotting to butcher Palestinians and steal their land, with the sinister and pernicious scheming and collusion of the Western governments who had just sanctimoniously hanged the Nazis for what they themselves would be doing in earnest in only a short time. It seems the problem with Nazism wasn't the principles of Nazism, but rather it was just the wrong tribe practicing them. Nazism, (taking other people's land by force) was always supposed to be a Jewish thang, ya see? Not for white Christians, who when they do it are EVIL! But rather for Jews, (huh Sam?) who when they do are doing God's work!

    Nobody understood these people better than George Orwell. When the Jews invented and implemented Marxism and Bolshevism and Soviet communism, with all its oppressive and genocidal lust for power run amok, he saw their nature up close and personal. Treachery was their calling card, cruelty their daily bread. And the hypocrisy you describe when you mention the Nuremburg trials, are all part of the doublethink that Orwell talks about. We're all supposed to be OK with 'that genocide is doubleplus bad, but this genocide is doubleplus good', and 2 + 2 can some times = 5

    I think all we're doing here Geo, is pointing out to Sam that 2 + 2 = 4
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  75. Z-man says:
    @Cyrano
    It’s one thing to be anti-Israeli and quite another to be pro-Arab. It’s not one and the same and it doesn’t have to be. Yet many anti-Israelis on this site think that it’s their duty to be pro-Arab because they are anti-Jewish. May the holy Jihad be upon them. If I had to choose between Arabs and Jews as to who deserves more sympathy, I will always, ALWAYS choose the latter.

    As John Kerry said: Israel lives in a tough neighborhood, so I guess Israelis are forced sometimes to do things that are not up to the standards of the “civilized” world. Sure Palestine lost land to Israel and maybe it wasn’t right, but it happens all the time. Sometimes you just have to move on.

    Germany for example lost almost one third of its territory to that great powerful neighbour of theirs – Poland. Yet you don’t see Germans these days strapping themselves with suicide vests and blowing themselves up in cities across Poland. Countries lose lands constantly throughout history thanks to some bad choices they have made. They have to accept the reality and move on.

    Saudi Arabia just signed 300 billion dollars weapons buying agreement with the US. They could have used that money more wisely to set up a homeland for the Palestinians somewhere in the Arab world. Arabs have millions of square kilometers of desert. What’s so special about the Palestinian desert that can’t be replaced? I guess they just don’t want to live in peace. Have they suffered injustice? Sure. They are not the first ones. They just have to let go and find another place where they can procreate at an alarming rate.

    Sure Palestine lost land to Israel and maybe it wasn’t right, but it happens all the time. Sometimes you just have to move on.
    Saudi Arabia just signed 300 billion dollars weapons buying agreement with the US. They could have used that money more wisely to set up a homeland for the Palestinians somewhere in the Arab world.

    Spoken like a good Zionist troll.

    Arabs have millions of square kilometers of desert. What’s so special about the Palestinian desert that can’t be replaced?

    LOL. I’ll tell you what, how about the Israeli’s taking Saudi Arabia up on that offer since they weren’t in Palestine as long as the natives, lol. They wouldn’t.

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    I have a perfect cure for all of you "pro-Arab" morons. You should all be loaded on a plane (one might not be enough) and moved to an Arab neighborhood in Paris. One of the so called no-go zones. There you can enjoy your beautiful friendship with the Arabs. Tell them some of your heartbreaking stories of how the Jews are evil and how much you love them - the Arabs. I am sure they will get sentimental over such emotional outburst of affection.

    You are just a bunch of morons that don't live in a real world. You imagine yourselves as some kind of intellectuals that can't stand injustice or something. Whatever man. And while you are enjoying your friendship with your Arab friends in a Paris suburb, if one of them asks you to carry his innocently looking backpack - say to a rock concert in Manchester or some other venue of similar kind - if I was you, I would refuse. But then again, stupid as you are, chances are you'll probably accept an offer like that.

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  76. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    Barghouti is a criminal, inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder. He acted as the money man, raising funds for the bombers and other terrorists.

    There can be no subjective interpretation of the video attached to GabrielM's post above. Marwan is no Gandhi; being instead, a deceitful murderer [I know the family of one of the dead in a Tel Aviv market bombing in 2002, financed and ordered by Barghouti] who finds misguided sponsorship from the naive in the West, people like you and Phil Giraldi.

    There are things Israel needs to address and redress; releasing Barghouti is not one of them.

    Barghouti is a criminal, inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder. He acted as the money man, raising funds for the bombers and other terrorists.

    Well if Barghouti is a criminal for acting “as the money man, raising funds for the bombers and other terrorists,” what does that say about the Zionist Lobby that has raised funds to set virtually the entire MENA on fire? Haven’t they opened the gates of hell and unleashed the dogs of war by prodding the dumb clod to do their dirty work, by getting it to launch the phony GWOT to enhance the security of the villa in the jungle?

    In one of your comments addressed to S2C, you wrote:

    there went a perfect example of contradiction if supplementals fail to strike the chords of comprehension!

    Wouldn’t you agree that this has to be one of the greatest cases of the pot calling the kettle black?

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  77. The hasbara trolls and Israel apologists are getting clumsy and look like the chump wingnuts they are now that their trump card (“Antisemitism!”) is no longer an effective deterrence. Claiming Israel is a land of peace, a poor victim that would be paradise on earth if it weren’t for those backwards bloodthirsty Arabs is hilarious and makes you idiots look even stupider.

    Pro-tip: Israel’s brutality against Palestinians and slo-motion genocide against them is known by most people without a vested interest in whitewashing the Jewish state. IOW your propaganda scares nobody and reinforces their opposition to Israel’s little apartheid state. The Nazis would be proud to see what Israel has done and is doing.

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  78. Cyrano says:
    @Z-man

    Sure Palestine lost land to Israel and maybe it wasn’t right, but it happens all the time. Sometimes you just have to move on.
    Saudi Arabia just signed 300 billion dollars weapons buying agreement with the US. They could have used that money more wisely to set up a homeland for the Palestinians somewhere in the Arab world.
     
    Spoken like a good Zionist troll.

    Arabs have millions of square kilometers of desert. What’s so special about the Palestinian desert that can’t be replaced?

     

    LOL. I'll tell you what, how about the Israeli's taking Saudi Arabia up on that offer since they weren't in Palestine as long as the natives, lol. They wouldn't.

    I have a perfect cure for all of you “pro-Arab” morons. You should all be loaded on a plane (one might not be enough) and moved to an Arab neighborhood in Paris. One of the so called no-go zones. There you can enjoy your beautiful friendship with the Arabs. Tell them some of your heartbreaking stories of how the Jews are evil and how much you love them – the Arabs. I am sure they will get sentimental over such emotional outburst of affection.

    You are just a bunch of morons that don’t live in a real world. You imagine yourselves as some kind of intellectuals that can’t stand injustice or something. Whatever man. And while you are enjoying your friendship with your Arab friends in a Paris suburb, if one of them asks you to carry his innocently looking backpack – say to a rock concert in Manchester or some other venue of similar kind – if I was you, I would refuse. But then again, stupid as you are, chances are you’ll probably accept an offer like that.

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    I am anti Israel you ass hole not pro Arab. Ideally we would control our borders and kick out all the trash but it's too late for that.
    But the harm of supporting the most 'artificial of nation states' at the expense of the native Palestinian population goes beyond them but causes us to lose our Christian moral compass and mimic the Jew/Semitic 'eye for an eye' mentality and gets us attacked by the low life's that have entered our midst, ironically supported by the big international Jew!
    Open your eyes boy!
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  79. Eagle Eye says:
    @JoaoAlfaiate
    At the end of WWI European immigrants to Palestine constituted less than 15% of the population. But the British Mandatory regime imposed upon the local population an unwanted and uninvited wave of foreigners intent on creating their own state at the expense of the indigenous inhabitants. The Palestinians were right to resist that invasion and are right in continuing to do so.

    At the present moment, 50 years after the start of their "lawful, civilized military occupation", the Zionists are in the process of stealing the remaining 22% of Palestine that they were unable to obtain in 1949. In this greedy and criminal activity they are assisted by a loud and well funded chorus of supporters around the world. That the Palestinians are able to continue their resistance is a tribute to the justice of their cause.

    At the present moment, 50 years after the start of their “lawful, civilized military occupation”, the Zionists are in the process of stealing the remaining 22% of Palestine that they were unable to obtain in 1949.

    That’s what happens if you get your information from Puffington Host.

    The Arabs got the lion’s share of Mandatory Palestine. The Arab part of Palestine is currently known as Jordan. The Arab (Jordanian) territory is far larger than all of Israel.

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    What utter hogwash. Even Chaim Weizmann noted in 1922 that the Balfour Declaration was limited “to Palestine west of the Jordan.”

    What matters is that the number of Arabs between the River and the Sea and the number of Jewish Israelis is equal-but one group has all the power and the second group has limited political rights inside the Green Line, virtually no rights on the West Bank and in occupied east Jerusalem and Gaza remains under occupation/siege.

    Israel has three choices: ( 1) It continues the current system of Apartheid where laws distinguish between different groups according to religion. Or (2) it withdraws from the West Bank and ends the siege of Gaza and grants the Palestinians a state with Jerusalem as its capital. Or (3) Israel grants everyone between the River and the Sea equal political rights without regard to religion.
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  80. Eagle Eye says:
    @Rurik

    I know the family of one of the dead in a Tel Aviv market bombing in 2002,
     
    I have an ethical question for you Sam..

    - if the people killed in bombings in Israel are indigenous to the land, and are descendants of others who've lived there honorably and peaceably for generations, Jewish or otherwise (or are tourists or are in Tel Aviv for whatever honorable reasons) then I consider their deaths as beyond tragic and a horrible crime.

    but..

    if the people killed by bombings in Israel are Zionist settlers, who are there to genocide the indigenous people and steal their land - then should anyone feel any sympathy whatsoever when such people are rightfully and righteously killed?

    I remember a close friend of mine (an LEO) who was being pressured to go to Afghanistan and work as a private contractor for security. He was told he would make a fortune in only a short period of time. I was deeply grateful that he didn't go, because as far as I'm concerned, any war profiteers, mercs or thieves, who immorally benefit from other people's suffering, deserve what they get by the people defending their own lands.

    When the Amerindians killed white settlers here in the states, I feel they were justified in doing so, (not that I approve of the methods)

    But my point is, if a Palestinian, on whose land an Israeli settler is squatting (having taken it though violence), decides to kill that illegal invader living in his home (or others who are perpetrating the injustice by whatever means- like the Likudniks), is there any reason why anyone on this planet should lament the life of such genocidal Zio-Nazi and bloodthirsty, murderous thief?

    I just wondered if you'd agree with that in principle..

    if the people killed in bombings … are indigenous to the land, and are descendants of others who’ve lived there honorably and peaceably for generations, … then I consider their deaths as beyond tragic and a horrible crime.

    So you are saying that Arabs and other non-Jews who immigrated to present-day Israel after, say, 1900 have no right to be there, and can be killed with impunity?

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  81. Hi PG, you nailed the crime of the eternal “victims”. They’ve simply found power that they could never imagine before. Previously their power was thru their wealth and into the hands of corrupt European elites. But they left a huge field of hatred from the populace, who still hate their pushy ways to date. Currently they’ve managed to buy “love for the chosen” [victims] by penetrating all channels of power, you gotta give it to them. First they took over the best communication medium, cinema, and portrayed all the villains and victims the best way a tribe can do. Then slowly, but surely, they took over all major channels of information, made it entertaining while pushing their agenda. How many times are we forced to watch all kinds of holocaust fiction as it’s being massively produced with the same footages, over and over and over …… each with a slight twist, on MSM, PBS, Hollywood, even museums in countries where it never happened. I don’t know if the tribe realizes that such behavior usually doesn’t have a good ending. This is not a Hollywood script.
    Palestinians are not their only victims. We have our soldiers dying in their wars, while we the tax-payer are flying the flag, honking the horns of our cars every time we massacre some innocent men, women, and children thousands of miles away, and trillions of our money spent, and “stupid goyim” celebrates. We’re are the executioners, we’ve become the most proud slaves in history. We still think we are masters. That’s quite a pity……

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  82. L.K says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik e.g, asks me a supposedly ethical question, based on the flimsy grounds of "nativity" to the land.

    the older claim to the land takes seniority backed by ability; and that belongs precisely to whom, Rurik

     

    the older claim to the land?! Really?

    are you suggesting that the Old Testament of the bible should be considered secular law when it comes to land ownership?

    and that if a community of families has been living on and farming and raising families on the land from the times of antiquity, that all that's necessary to claim rightful ownership to their houses and farms and businesses, is to produce some ratty parchment with some idiotic gibberish about a tribal god's deranged hallucinations from a few thousand years ago, and boom, you're free use iron age superstitious lunacy to justify slaughtering the 21st century inhabitants and stealing their homes?!

    is that what it's like to be a modern, secular Jew today?

    Is that what Tikkun olam means? Genocidal racial supremacy, theft and murder based on iron age superstitious fanaticism?

    is that what you leaned in the progressive, enlightened universities of England Sam?

    Hey Rurik,

    Prof. Kevin MacDonald has researched and written extensively about the Jews.
    A key to understand zionist activists such as sam the sham, is to understand Jewish moral particularism/ double standards. Prof. MacDonald writes:

    “A recurrent theme here is the contrast between the moral universalism of the West versus Jewish moral particularism. Moral universalism is a corrollary of individualism: Groups have no moral standing. Stealing doesn’t become right depending on what group the victim belongs to.

    But Jewish ethics is based fundamentally on the group status of perpetrator and victim. It’s okay if the victim is from a different group. And within the group, ethics is structured so that the group as a whole benefits: What’s good for the Jews.”

    It’s almost as if the good professor wrote the above with the likes of shameless in mind.
    The moral particularism/ double standards of shameless & co could not be more flagrant.

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    Hey L.K.,

    Moral universalism is a corrollary of individualism: Groups have no moral standing. Stealing doesn’t become right depending on what group the victim belongs to.
     
    ironically that could have come straight out of an Ayn Rand screed. Her life's work was dedicated to expounding on the rights of the individual vs. the collective- which she considered the original sin.

    But Jewish ethics is based fundamentally on the group status of perpetrator and victim.
     
    I suspect LK, that Jewish ethics are based fundamentally on the hysterical tripe written in the Old Testament, and the excretions of the Talmud. (I'm no fan ; )

    What’s good for the Jews.”
     
    if you take their religion/ethics at face value, then the Jews are the only ones who possess a soul. They are the only ones who matter. Indeed, the rest of us were put here by their god to serve them and exult them and lick their feet. IDK, but perhaps it has been their devotion to such notions that has caused so much historical angst between them and the people among whom they live. When their spiritual leaders exhort them that:

    “An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness.”

    “The important things are the Jews, because they do not exist for any [other] aim; they themselves are [the divine] aim.”

    “The entire creation [of a non-Jew] exists only for the sake of the Jews.”
     
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/07/why-is-the-us-honoring-a-racist-rabbi/


    The moral particularism/ double standards of shameless & co could not be more flagrant.
     
    he has marinated in the bile of lies and tribalism his whole life. I'm holding out hope that the sweet breeze of truth, wafting through the memes and gleams of understanding will come gently to rest in his lap, and that he'll find his inner humanity, (that I'm convinced most Jews possess), their precepts- as expounded by the gentle rabbi, notwithstanding.
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  83. L.K says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik e.g, asks me a supposedly ethical question, based on the flimsy grounds of "nativity" to the land.

    the older claim to the land takes seniority backed by ability; and that belongs precisely to whom, Rurik

     

    the older claim to the land?! Really?

    are you suggesting that the Old Testament of the bible should be considered secular law when it comes to land ownership?

    and that if a community of families has been living on and farming and raising families on the land from the times of antiquity, that all that's necessary to claim rightful ownership to their houses and farms and businesses, is to produce some ratty parchment with some idiotic gibberish about a tribal god's deranged hallucinations from a few thousand years ago, and boom, you're free use iron age superstitious lunacy to justify slaughtering the 21st century inhabitants and stealing their homes?!

    is that what it's like to be a modern, secular Jew today?

    Is that what Tikkun olam means? Genocidal racial supremacy, theft and murder based on iron age superstitious fanaticism?

    is that what you leaned in the progressive, enlightened universities of England Sam?

    Perfect answer.
    I would add that Jewish “history” is, at any rate, a big collection of fiction stories designed to achieve the “what’s good for the Jews” thing. From the fraudulent zio narratives re the conflict in Palestine, to the monstrous holohoax, to the old canard that the Romans expelled the Jews in 70 A.D and much more…

    For example, Israeli historian Schlomo Sand, wrote re the various zio founding myths:

    But during the 1980s an earthquake shook these founding myths. The discoveries made by the “new archaeology” discredited a great exodus in the 13th century BC. Moses could not have led the Hebrews out of Egypt into the Promised Land, for the good reason that the latter was Egyptian territory at the time. And there is no trace of either a slave revolt against the pharaonic empire or of a sudden conquest of Canaan by outsiders.

    Nor is there any trace or memory of the magnificent kingdom of David and Solomon. Recent discoveries point to the existence, at the time, of two small kingdoms: Israel, the more powerful, and Judah, the future Judea. The general population of Judah did not go into 6th century BC exile: only its political and intellectual elite were forced to settle in Babylon. This decisive encounter with Persian religion gave birth to Jewish monotheism.

    Then there is the question of the exile of 70 AD. There has been no real research into this turning point in Jewish history, the cause of the diaspora. And for a simple reason: the Romans never exiled any nation from anywhere on the eastern seaboard of the Mediterranean. Apart from enslaved prisoners, the population of Judea continued to live on their lands, even after the destruction of the second temple. Some converted to Christianity in the 4th century, while the majority embraced Islam during the 7th century Arab conquest.

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    'This decisive encounter with Persian religion gave birth to Jewish monotheism.' Zoroastrianism! A small remnant still resides in Mumbai (Bombay), India. Known as Parsi (meaning from Persia), this illustrious group has produced such musical talents as Freddie Mercury and Zubin Mehta. A happy and fun loving people...
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  84. @Greasy William
    nobody cares about the Palestinians. Saudis and Gulf Arabs just sold them out... again.

    nobody cares about the Palestinians

    That is not true. Jesus cares about the Palestinians.

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  85. L.K says:
    @geokat62
    Great post, Rurik. But I'm afraid Sam will just dismiss you, as he has done me, of being just another "bleeding heart."

    From his perspective, he'd ask: where were all you bleeding heart goyim when 6 million Jews were being exterminated?

    I'd respond: fair question, Sam.

    But I'd hasten to add: but where does that leave us?

    Are we all willing to resign ourselves to the fact that "might is truly right"... and that all acts of aggression committed by the strong against the weak must be expected as these actions are in accordance with the laws of nature? That, if truth be told, all laws are merely imposed by the strong against the weak?

    I would have thought that the Nuremberg Tribunals, in which Jewry played a leading role, was supposed to be a turning point. We were supposed to have turned a new page, one away from the unjust past and towards a more just future. Together with the Geneva Conventions against torture, the Tribunals were supposed to have ushered in a new era in which people and nations were to be held accountable for any and all acts of aggression. Where the Rule of Law was to reign sovereign. But, after the invasion of Iraq, we discovered that these were just fairy tales... meant for the bleeding heart individuals, like you and me.

    So, rather than the Rule of Law, it is the Law of The Jungle that applies, says Sam (I guess that's why Israel is referred to as The Villa in The Jungle?).

    As I keep reminding Sam, however, the only thing most people are seeking is for a little transparency about the rules by which we are supposed to play the game. Is it a) the Law of The Jungle or b) The Rule of Law? I prefer the latter, but will do my best to survive under the former.

    So, which is it, Sam: a or b?

    geokat: “As I keep reminding Sam, however, the only thing most people are seeking is for a little transparency about the rules by which we are supposed to play the game. Is it a) the Law of The Jungle or b) The Rule of Law?”

    From a zionist pov, the answer to your question is very simple, and it relies on the concept of Jewish moral particularism, as explained by Prof. MacDonald.

    The answer is a) AND even b) but, and this is crucial, only as long as a) and b) serve Zionist Jewish interests.

    Otherwise a honest person would have to conclude that, though the Nuremberg show trials were illegal, political trials against the vanquished, they set a bunch of precedents which should have been applied to all parties since then…

    If that were so, every zionist prime minister and president, not to mention zio military and intel personnel and many others, would have long been found guilty and executed.
    The same is true for a lot of US, Brit, French & other officials.

    Personally, I believe in the rule of the Law, obviously only if applied equally to all parties.

    But we are very far from it; I think Hizbullah’s Secretary General Nasrallah’s recent words are on target (May 2, 2017);

    ” Do not expect from this world, from the international community, from the US, and from the west, to be fair and just and to seek to make justice. That does not mean that we must not call on them to be so. We must not stop calling on them, but likewise we must not feel sorry if they ignore us …
    I have always told you this, and today with all of these events and developments which are taking place I tell you: we are living in a world of wolves. It’s not the international law which rules; it is the law of the jungle. The strong eats the weak. If we were weak, we would be eaten. If we are strong, the world will respect us. We must be influential in formulas and equations. This world seeks interests. “

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  86. Eagle Eye says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Israeli psychopaths are out in force, Phil Giraldi having touched a very reactive nerve; Phil doesn't need a "Palestinian chair" to cause these morally depraved hasbarats to boast of their inhumanity.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/7/ex_abu_ghraib_interrogator_israelis_trained


    Raad Hussein is bound to the Palestinian chair. His hands are tied to his ankles. The chair forces him to lean forward in a crouch, forcing all of his weight onto his thighs. It’s as if he’s been trapped in the act of kneeling down to pray, his knees frozen just above the floor, his arms pinned below his legs. He is blindfolded. His head has collapsed into his chest. He wheezes and gasps for air. There is a pool of urine at his feet. He moans: too tired to cry, but in too much pain to remain silent.

    “Henson comes out into the hallway and walks past the room. He covers the side of his face as he walks by and says, 'I don't even want to know.’

    "I am silent. This is a sin. I know it as soon as I see it. There will be no atonement for it. In the coming years, I won’t have the audacity to seek it. Witnessing a man being tortured in the Palestinian chair requires the witness to either seek justice or cover his face. Like Henson in Fallujah, I’ll spend the rest of my life covering my face."
     

    But this is about the American people.

    We support this shit.
    We allow our soldiers to be trained by Israeli psychopaths.

    The American president just implicated "all the American people" in the crimes of Israel:


    We love Israel. We respect Israel and I send your people the warmest greetings from your friend and ally -- all of the people in the United States of America. We are with you.
     
    No, we don't "respect Israel," Mr. Trump, nor are USA and Israel "eternally bound by shared values." We, the American people are hostage to thugs like

    Greasy William http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881669

    Lot http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881708

    Eagle Eye http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881733

    mccohen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881765

    Gabriel M http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881768

    KArl http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881792

    Thorfinnsson http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881864

    Sherman http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881928

    iffen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881951

    and Unz's own urbane, if reality-impaired Sam Shama http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881971

    These psychopaths have expressed, loud and clear, their disdain for the foundations of civilized society; they have bound us, Americans, to them in the common way the sleaziest of criminal gangs maintains their criminal discipline: by implicating others in its crimes.

    Ask yourselves, Americans, how supporting zionist criminality turned out for the British
    http://book-pdf-8b.fplys.com/index.php?page=25603

    Does any American think Israel will not turn on the USA -- strapping US in Palestinian chairs -- once it has ceased to serve zionist purposes, the USA having been thoroughly debauched morally and drained economically?

    Israeli psychopaths are out in force …

    Kind of like the joke about the old guy driving on the freeway when his wife calls him.

    “They were saying on the radio there is a guy driving the wrong way on the freeway. Be careful!”

    He answers: “It’s not just one. There are hundreds of them.”

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  87. I am sure there are plenty of US doctors who would be more than willing to do the forcible tube feeding, or indeed implant gastric tubes, as long as these Palestinian prisoners have health insurance or a third party payer.

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  88. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    um…Marwan was recently busted eating candy in the bathroom as part of his “hunger strike”.

    Go get a life Giraldi

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    That is funny. LOL.
    , @SolontoCroesus

    Marwan was recently busted eating candy in the bathroom as part of his “hunger strike”.
     
    Irene Weisberg Zisblatt ate diamonds -- after she'd pooped them. For four years.

    It would be tasteless to use the word "chocolate" in this comment.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhFN8Bb202I


    Strange but True (?) Tales of the holocaust: " I was sent to the Gas Chamber but it was full!"
    or, "I was on my way into the gas chamber when Mengele pulled me out,"
    or, "Maybe it was god that pulled me out of the gas chamber,"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wAbjUqHTNA

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  89. Sam Shama says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik e.g, asks me a supposedly ethical question, based on the flimsy grounds of "nativity" to the land.

    the older claim to the land takes seniority backed by ability; and that belongs precisely to whom, Rurik

     

    the older claim to the land?! Really?

    are you suggesting that the Old Testament of the bible should be considered secular law when it comes to land ownership?

    and that if a community of families has been living on and farming and raising families on the land from the times of antiquity, that all that's necessary to claim rightful ownership to their houses and farms and businesses, is to produce some ratty parchment with some idiotic gibberish about a tribal god's deranged hallucinations from a few thousand years ago, and boom, you're free use iron age superstitious lunacy to justify slaughtering the 21st century inhabitants and stealing their homes?!

    is that what it's like to be a modern, secular Jew today?

    Is that what Tikkun olam means? Genocidal racial supremacy, theft and murder based on iron age superstitious fanaticism?

    is that what you leaned in the progressive, enlightened universities of England Sam?

    are you suggesting that the Old Testament of the bible should be considered secular law when it comes to land ownership?

    You weren’t applying the secular law when insisting nativity stands above all else including killing those not considered native by your definition with untroubled abandon. So, please, stick to the premise of your own standards at least. Secular law is that which a well-defined polity creates and observes in the conduct of its affairs. Non-citizens can be considered ex-judice when their endeavour consists in the main, a desire to destroy the established polity. That, as we shall see, stands in conflict with principled realism.

    Ever thought through that idea of principled realism, based on which the Trump administration proposes to approach the Israeli-Pal impasse? Bickering over who lived there since antiquity will find you wanting at every turn you attempt to invoke it. Palestinians require a state; yet they shall only have what both parties can agree to. Encouraging them to carry on with their abysmal dream of throwing the Jews into the sea will get them precisely naught. So you might say of the enablers, the bleeding hearts busy at the keyboards, that of all actors, they do to the Pals a service the latter need the least.

    Tikkun Olam refers to fixing the world; and yes, that idea demands that Jews fix the condition in which Pals find themselves, an outcome born of a combination of historical forces, some of their own making but a great deal beyond their agency or ability to influence. A long discussion, quite beyond the scope of this entry.

    And certainly not for the viewing of itinerant reptiles like L.K. who cannot open their frontal orifices without discharging excrement.

    England and her universities [both of them :-) ] will impress on all souls and fellows that which my meagre pen could only deliver in part.

    Over and out.

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    Tikkun Olam refers to fixing the world; and yes, that idea demands that Jews fix the condition in which Pals find themselves, an outcome born of a combination of historical forces, some of their own making but a great deal beyond their agency or ability to influence.
     
    Total bullshit. Judaism demands total annihilation of our enemies. Saying anything else is beyond being merely misleading, it is outright lying about what the Torah teaches us. As was done to the Canaanites, so must be done to the Palestinians.

    Even uber moderate Maimonides was calling for the elimination of the Palestinians as far back as the 12th century.
    , @Rurik

    You weren’t applying the secular law when insisting nativity stands above all else including killing those not considered native by your definition with untroubled abandon.
     
    now Sam, I never said killing people just because they weren't native is OK, in fact I specifically said killing anyone for any reason if they're honorable or innocent is a vile and heinous crime, didn't I?

    But what I did say.. is that if there are people trying to kill you, and genocide your people, and steal your land and houses and farms and property, that not only is it good and honorable and even noble to kill such people, but that you'd have to be a complete dunderheaded coward not to kill such people. In fact when such people are killed, the whole world should rejoice, and celebrate, no?

    Don't the Jews celebrate the slaughter of children every year in their most sacred holiday?

    If a tribe or government is trying to kill or enslave or dishonor your people, is it not a celebratory thing to see such a tribe or government ground into the dirt and destroyed?

    I do not and never would call for the death or harm to come to any person, Jewish or otherwise, simply because of the ethnicity or religion into which they had been born, but when Baruch Goldstein was beaten to death, surely this is a thing to be happy about, no?

    Non-citizens can be considered ex-judice when their endeavour consists in the main, a desire to destroy the established polity.
     
    are you suggesting the Jews got what they deserved by the Nazis?!

    Encouraging them to carry on with their abysmal dream of throwing the Jews into the sea will get them precisely naught.
     
    why don't we all just agree to the 1967 borders and be done with it. I won't demand 1948 borders, and I'll say no right to return, but compensation. And Jerusalem as capital of the Palestinian state. You have to take some concessions now Sam, if you want peace.

    Tikkun Olam refers to fixing the world; and yes, that idea demands that Jews fix the condition in which Pals find themselves, an outcome born of a combination of historical forces, some of their own making but a great deal beyond their agency or ability to influence.
     
    well, as long as Americans are taxed to fund the Palestinian's tormentors, you won't mind if some of us goyim chime in on a potential solution I trust.
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  90. @Eagle Eye

    At the present moment, 50 years after the start of their “lawful, civilized military occupation”, the Zionists are in the process of stealing the remaining 22% of Palestine that they were unable to obtain in 1949.
     
    That's what happens if you get your information from Puffington Host.

    The Arabs got the lion's share of Mandatory Palestine. The Arab part of Palestine is currently known as Jordan. The Arab (Jordanian) territory is far larger than all of Israel.

    https://riversong.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/1920-mandate-palestine.jpg

    What utter hogwash. Even Chaim Weizmann noted in 1922 that the Balfour Declaration was limited “to Palestine west of the Jordan.”

    What matters is that the number of Arabs between the River and the Sea and the number of Jewish Israelis is equal-but one group has all the power and the second group has limited political rights inside the Green Line, virtually no rights on the West Bank and in occupied east Jerusalem and Gaza remains under occupation/siege.

    Israel has three choices: ( 1) It continues the current system of Apartheid where laws distinguish between different groups according to religion. Or (2) it withdraws from the West Bank and ends the siege of Gaza and grants the Palestinians a state with Jerusalem as its capital. Or (3) Israel grants everyone between the River and the Sea equal political rights without regard to religion.

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    Israel has three choices: ...
     
    Do you care as much about the countless REAL human rights hell holes on earth? DR Congo? Sudan and South Sudan (still annihilating tribes)? Zimbabwe (economic shambles, millions living in SA)? Equatorial Guinea? North Korea?

    Pray do share your solutions for each of those. Or are those human lives somehow worth less than the Phakestinian drama queens who have a real Israeli Supreme Court looking out for them? But of course not everyone is "into" black men, right?

    Are you telling us Barghouti the chocolate sneak and his family would still be in one piece if they had perpetrated their crimes in Equatorial Guinea? In Katanga?

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  91. Lot says:
    @RealAmerican
    Mr. Giraldi is indeed a most courageous, honorable and patriotic man. Methinks he hit the nail on the head and touched a raw nerve with those who aren't, such as the like of Judah Benjamin Hur.

    The Arab lack of honor and morality is one reason they are so terrible at war. Easily conquered and occupied for centuries by the Ottomans, even during their long “sick man of Europe phase.” Even as the Ottomans were defeated again and again not just by Russians, but by under-supplied and disorganized Greek and Slav peasant armies. Then the British effortlessly held onto Palestine until, not the Arabs, but the small Jewish minority population rebelled and sent them packing.

    During the first Arab-Israel war, the Arab armies all fled like cowards before an enemy who they outnumbered more than 5 to 1 and started the war surrounding on all sides.

    Today the Turks are able to control their large Kurdish population. But in Syria and Iraq, the Kurds, who are Iranic/Caucasian hybrids, not Arabs, are far better warriors and control areas far larger than their share of population. They also run their zones with more justice and less corruption.

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    Then the British effortlessly held onto Palestine until, not the Arabs, but the small Jewish minority population rebelled and sent them packing.
     
    Kind of quickly glossed over what form that rebellion took that sent them packing.

    Sam made the following statement:


    Barghouti is a criminal, inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder. He acted as the money man, raising funds for the bombers and other terrorists.
     
    Does this not suggest the leaders of Irgun (‎Ze'ev Jabotinsky‎, ‎Avraham Tehomi‎, ‎Menachem Begin‎) and the Stern Gang (Avraham Stern‎; ‎Nathan Yellin-Mor‎; ‎Yitzhak Shamir‎; ‎Israel Eldad‎), two of whom went on to become PMs, were also criminals because they were "inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder"?

    But I forgot. Just like Sharon was supposedly a mensch, despite the fact (or because of it) he was responsible for the Sabra and Shatila massacre, Begin and Shamir were also mensches, notwithstanding their terrorist activities (or because of them), but Barghouti alone is the terrorist?

    Zionist logic is something to behold!

    , @JoaoAlfaiate
    "...the Ottomans were defeated again and again not just by Russians, but by under-supplied and disorganized Greek and Slav peasant armies. "

    Perhaps Lot missed the Gallipoli Campaign (Feb, 1915-Jan, 1916) in which 316,000 Ottoman troops defeated a combined force of Brits, Aussies, French and New Zealanders totalling some 490,000 men. Many of the Ottoman soldiers were Arabs who had been ordered out of greater Syria in 1914 to forestall a mutiny.

    And Lot missed the siege of Kut in Mesopotamia where in April of 1916 an Anglo Indian force under Gen. Townsend surrender to the Ottomans.

    And in April and March of 1917 the British under Archibald Murray were defeated in the First and Second Battles of Gaza. Notably the Brit used poison gas against the Turks, the first use of gas in the Middle East.

    I guess when you are trashing a whole people for "lack of honor and morality", facts just aren't important.
    , @RealAmerican
    Be that as it may regarding the Turks and the Arabs, Lot. But it is the Persians, stupid.
    The principled, formidable, fearless and indomitable Persians.
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  92. “He has sometimes been likened to Nelson Mandela as someone who could potentially bring order and justice to an apparently intractable situation.”

    Ah, Mandela, the kindly terrorist-bomber, who spent his peace-loving dotage traveling the countryside, urging on young blacks to complete the genocide of South African whites. He led the young people in singing his favorite song, “Kill the Boer!”

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  93. Lot says:
    @Philip Giraldi
    Thanks George! Funny how they coordinate and strike fast - almost as if they are prepped and organized to regurgitate the official Israel point of view.

    almost as if they are prepped and organized to regurgitate the official Israel point of view

    I just give my opinion. Your readership is too small and too full of basement dwelling nutbars to get official Hasbara trolls. What do you think about those Codoh links they keep posting?

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    What do you think about those Codoh links they keep posting?

    Invitation? Opportunity? Enablement? Acquiescence? Exposure?

    Wait! Wait! I know! Sincere commitment to free speech, free thought and inquiry.

    A sacred search for The Truth, wink, wink, winkety wink.
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  94. Karl says:
    @RealAmerican
    And of course, Syria will be liberated from the Syrians, Lebanon from the Lebanese, Jordan from the Jordanians, and the five million Palestinians from Palestine. If America should be so lucky that it too could be liberated from the same occupiers.

    8 RealAmerican > And of course

    …we will eventually return Gaza to indigenous Coptic rule, as well

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  95. Lot says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    He [Barghouti] subsequently rejoined Fatah in 2006 and is now a member of the Palestinian Parliament. He is widely regarded as the most popular of Palestinian leaders even though he is in prison, or perhaps in part because of that.
     
    This is very reminiscent of the hunger strikes in Northern Ireland in 1980-1. Historically, that was a real turning point in the history of the Troubles. Before he died of starvation, Bobby Sands actually managed to get elected to parliament as a protest vote. Sinn Fein took inspiration from this fact, and were able to capitalize on it very effectively, ultimately becoming the largest non-unionist party in N. Ireland.

    So let me raise a glass of salt-water to Marwan Barghouti!

    This is very reminiscent of the hunger strikes in Northern Ireland in 1980-1. …a real turning point in the history

    37 years later Ulster remains a happy part of the United Kingdom, loyal to Her Majesty Elizabeth II. And actual Northern Irish of Catholic background don’t care.

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  96. hobo says:

    To all the Israeli trolls:

    It’s a major tactical error to pop your heads out of your caves and expose yourselves to sunlight. Just as the trolls of numerous fairytales were turned to stone when caught in the light, you contemporary trolls with your contemporary fairytales are turned to sh*t in the cleansing light of the sun. To paraphrase one of your heroes, Sharansky: ‘you work best behind the curtain’; in other words in the shadows and sleazy sewers of backroom politics, where concepts such as truth, justice and fundamental human decency are derided as quaint and naïve notions.

    It is, after all, in your own best interests to slither back into your morally bereft caves. Your feeble attempts to twist the truth, rewrite history, and corrupt the nature of fundamental human decency – all to defend the indefensible – are a blight upon humanity. They cannot survive in the clear light of day. As Martin Luther King famously said: ‘ the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice”.

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    indeed hobo the arc is long and the jews have long memories of injustices visited upon us century after century going back thousands of years.lest we forget.when judgement day comes as it will we will remember those that stood with us.
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  97. geokat62 says:
    @Lot
    The Arab lack of honor and morality is one reason they are so terrible at war. Easily conquered and occupied for centuries by the Ottomans, even during their long "sick man of Europe phase." Even as the Ottomans were defeated again and again not just by Russians, but by under-supplied and disorganized Greek and Slav peasant armies. Then the British effortlessly held onto Palestine until, not the Arabs, but the small Jewish minority population rebelled and sent them packing.

    During the first Arab-Israel war, the Arab armies all fled like cowards before an enemy who they outnumbered more than 5 to 1 and started the war surrounding on all sides.

    Today the Turks are able to control their large Kurdish population. But in Syria and Iraq, the Kurds, who are Iranic/Caucasian hybrids, not Arabs, are far better warriors and control areas far larger than their share of population. They also run their zones with more justice and less corruption.

    Then the British effortlessly held onto Palestine until, not the Arabs, but the small Jewish minority population rebelled and sent them packing.

    Kind of quickly glossed over what form that rebellion took that sent them packing.

    Sam made the following statement:

    Barghouti is a criminal, inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder. He acted as the money man, raising funds for the bombers and other terrorists.

    Does this not suggest the leaders of Irgun (‎Ze’ev Jabotinsky‎, ‎Avraham Tehomi‎, ‎Menachem Begin‎) and the Stern Gang (Avraham Stern‎; ‎Nathan Yellin-Mor‎; ‎Yitzhak Shamir‎; ‎Israel Eldad‎), two of whom went on to become PMs, were also criminals because they were “inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder”?

    But I forgot. Just like Sharon was supposedly a mensch, despite the fact (or because of it) he was responsible for the Sabra and Shatila massacre, Begin and Shamir were also mensches, notwithstanding their terrorist activities (or because of them), but Barghouti alone is the terrorist?

    Zionist logic is something to behold!

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    There are no contradictions. Of course, Begin et al were considered terrorists by the British authority, according to the law in effect at the time.

    Barghouti, according to the sovereign law in effect today. But he is both a terrorist and a poseur who fancies himself the new M.K. Gandhi; except Gandhi did not sneak chocolate bars during his many hunger strikes, let alone order the murder of children in school buses.

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  98. @Sam Shama

    are you suggesting that the Old Testament of the bible should be considered secular law when it comes to land ownership?
     
    You weren't applying the secular law when insisting nativity stands above all else including killing those not considered native by your definition with untroubled abandon. So, please, stick to the premise of your own standards at least. Secular law is that which a well-defined polity creates and observes in the conduct of its affairs. Non-citizens can be considered ex-judice when their endeavour consists in the main, a desire to destroy the established polity. That, as we shall see, stands in conflict with principled realism.

    Ever thought through that idea of principled realism, based on which the Trump administration proposes to approach the Israeli-Pal impasse? Bickering over who lived there since antiquity will find you wanting at every turn you attempt to invoke it. Palestinians require a state; yet they shall only have what both parties can agree to. Encouraging them to carry on with their abysmal dream of throwing the Jews into the sea will get them precisely naught. So you might say of the enablers, the bleeding hearts busy at the keyboards, that of all actors, they do to the Pals a service the latter need the least.

    Tikkun Olam refers to fixing the world; and yes, that idea demands that Jews fix the condition in which Pals find themselves, an outcome born of a combination of historical forces, some of their own making but a great deal beyond their agency or ability to influence. A long discussion, quite beyond the scope of this entry.

    And certainly not for the viewing of itinerant reptiles like L.K. who cannot open their frontal orifices without discharging excrement.

    England and her universities [both of them :-) ] will impress on all souls and fellows that which my meagre pen could only deliver in part.


    Over and out.

    Tikkun Olam refers to fixing the world; and yes, that idea demands that Jews fix the condition in which Pals find themselves, an outcome born of a combination of historical forces, some of their own making but a great deal beyond their agency or ability to influence.

    Total bullshit. Judaism demands total annihilation of our enemies. Saying anything else is beyond being merely misleading, it is outright lying about what the Torah teaches us. As was done to the Canaanites, so must be done to the Palestinians.

    Even uber moderate Maimonides was calling for the elimination of the Palestinians as far back as the 12th century.

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    "Judaism demands total annihilation of our enemies"

    "Our"?

    I didn't know you were a Jew!

    Shalom my brother!
    , @Sam Shama
    Please don't write nonsense in response to my posts. You consider your reading of the Torah the last word by which all Jews should live.

    No; both the G'd idea and the various interpretations of the Torah, while they change at the subconscious level, actually need to change at the conscious level. You sabotage yourself when clinging to some minority interpretation you've created for yourself, wholly dispensing with all the reliable scientific knowledge we've gained. I won't have any truck with that.

    Where and when precisely did the Rambam call for the elimination of Palestinians? Can you reference the source?
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  99. mcohen says:
    @hobo
    To all the Israeli trolls:

    It’s a major tactical error to pop your heads out of your caves and expose yourselves to sunlight. Just as the trolls of numerous fairytales were turned to stone when caught in the light, you contemporary trolls with your contemporary fairytales are turned to sh*t in the cleansing light of the sun. To paraphrase one of your heroes, Sharansky: ‘you work best behind the curtain’; in other words in the shadows and sleazy sewers of backroom politics, where concepts such as truth, justice and fundamental human decency are derided as quaint and naïve notions.

    It is, after all, in your own best interests to slither back into your morally bereft caves. Your feeble attempts to twist the truth, rewrite history, and corrupt the nature of fundamental human decency - all to defend the indefensible - are a blight upon humanity. They cannot survive in the clear light of day. As Martin Luther King famously said: ‘ the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice”.

    indeed hobo the arc is long and the jews have long memories of injustices visited upon us century after century going back thousands of years.lest we forget.when judgement day comes as it will we will remember those that stood with us.

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  100. anarchyst says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Basically, damn the Jews (Judaism) and damn the Arabs (Islam)... where does that leave Christianity?

    The only thing Christianity adopted from Judaism is the Ten Commandments–nothing more. In fact, Christianity is so hated by Jews, they have hatred for Jesus Christ and Mary codified in their Talmud.
    Contrast Jewish hatred with the way Islam treats Jesus Christ and his mother Mary. Both Jesus Christ and Mary are given high regard in the Islamic world, unlike the jewish hatred of both figures. In fact, Mary is specifically mentioned in the Qur’an…
    The Catholic church was co-opted and possibly mortally wounded by interference from jewish and protestant types during the Second Ecumenical Council (Vatican II). Both jews and protestants were given unparallelled access to the inner workings and had major influence in the changes imposed on the world’s Catholic population.
    Absolving the jews of Christ’s crucifixion and death was one major error. Of course, as is the case presently, jews got the Romans to do their “dirty work” for them–hence Jesus Christ was crucified and murdered with the jews taking full responsibility.
    Banning the celebration of the Tridentine Mass was another error. Only in recent times has the Catholic Church relented and allowed the celebration of this beautiful rite.

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    The only thing Christianity adopted from Judaism is the Ten Commandments
     
    And the 10 C's are not even Jewish. The Jews adopted/abridged them from the (much longer, 20+?) ancient Egyptian moral code.
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  101. Rurik says: • Website
    @geokat62
    Great post, Rurik. But I'm afraid Sam will just dismiss you, as he has done me, of being just another "bleeding heart."

    From his perspective, he'd ask: where were all you bleeding heart goyim when 6 million Jews were being exterminated?

    I'd respond: fair question, Sam.

    But I'd hasten to add: but where does that leave us?

    Are we all willing to resign ourselves to the fact that "might is truly right"... and that all acts of aggression committed by the strong against the weak must be expected as these actions are in accordance with the laws of nature? That, if truth be told, all laws are merely imposed by the strong against the weak?

    I would have thought that the Nuremberg Tribunals, in which Jewry played a leading role, was supposed to be a turning point. We were supposed to have turned a new page, one away from the unjust past and towards a more just future. Together with the Geneva Conventions against torture, the Tribunals were supposed to have ushered in a new era in which people and nations were to be held accountable for any and all acts of aggression. Where the Rule of Law was to reign sovereign. But, after the invasion of Iraq, we discovered that these were just fairy tales... meant for the bleeding heart individuals, like you and me.

    So, rather than the Rule of Law, it is the Law of The Jungle that applies, says Sam (I guess that's why Israel is referred to as The Villa in The Jungle?).

    As I keep reminding Sam, however, the only thing most people are seeking is for a little transparency about the rules by which we are supposed to play the game. Is it a) the Law of The Jungle or b) The Rule of Law? I prefer the latter, but will do my best to survive under the former.

    So, which is it, Sam: a or b?

    Are we all willing to resign ourselves to the fact that “might is truly right”…

    yep Geo, when Sam goes on with that bent that killing weaker people and stealing their land is just human nature, I do wonder if he realizes he’s providing moral justification for every questionable act that the Nazis did, including the slaughter of Russians and Poles and persecution and killing of Jews.

    I would have thought that the Nuremberg Tribunals, in which Jewry played a leading role, was supposed to be a turning point.

    exactly Geo

    human history up to that point never really had a universal tribunal to codify moral principles and laws to guide us all. We flailed blindly in the mire of ignorance and nature- ‘red in tooth and claw’. It had been thus since the beginning of our slog out of the muck, into the inspired truths of our enlightenment. The Rule of Law.

    No more slavery. No more genocide. No more aggressive wars and stealing your weaker neighbors property. International law.

    That’s what I was raised to believe. That the human race had agreed to universal principles and International Laws to establish them in the hearts and law books of mankind.

    But it was all bullshit. No sooner had they hung the Nazis, than the Zionists started plotting to butcher Palestinians and steal their land, with the sinister and pernicious scheming and collusion of the Western governments who had just sanctimoniously hanged the Nazis for what they themselves would be doing in earnest in only a short time. It seems the problem with Nazism wasn’t the principles of Nazism, but rather it was just the wrong tribe practicing them. Nazism, (taking other people’s land by force) was always supposed to be a Jewish thang, ya see? Not for white Christians, who when they do it are EVIL! But rather for Jews, (huh Sam?) who when they do are doing God’s work!

    Nobody understood these people better than George Orwell. When the Jews invented and implemented Marxism and Bolshevism and Soviet communism, with all its oppressive and genocidal lust for power run amok, he saw their nature up close and personal. Treachery was their calling card, cruelty their daily bread. And the hypocrisy you describe when you mention the Nuremburg trials, are all part of the doublethink that Orwell talks about. We’re all supposed to be OK with ‘that genocide is doubleplus bad, but this genocide is doubleplus good’, and 2 + 2 can some times = 5

    I think all we’re doing here Geo, is pointing out to Sam that 2 + 2 = 4

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    You wrote much nonsense. Since the establishment of Israel, how many Palestinians [terrorists and civilians] have died? I think about 20k. Comparing that to so many other real genocides tells the true story. Have you noticed what has happened to the population of the Palestinians? Great genocide eh?

    The rest of the attempts to hang the wars waged in the ME around the necks of Jews and Israel amount to the noises made by a collection of fringe eccentrics, based on some equally obscure paper written by some Jew decades ago, in search of a measure of 'recognition'. In short, not worth the pixels.

    Also, 2+2 = 4 only works for base 10.

    , @RobinG
    ".....when Sam goes on with that bent that killing weaker people and stealing their land is just human nature, I do wonder if he realizes he’s providing moral justification for every questionable act that the Nazis did, including the slaughter of Russians and Poles and persecution and killing of Jews. "

    Excellent post, Rurik. And note how Sam counters by saying Jews use a different math - just as they're entitled to an alternate morality. So says the Chosen. [The primitive.]

    But isn't that what all the race warriors want? Their own math and morality? Preserve the tribe, and to Hell with everyone else! Interesting that Atzmon says the only proper labels for Israel are racist and nationalist.
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  102. @Lot

    It engages in illegal mass, arbitrary arrests of Palestinians who do not reside in Israel but are nevertheless subject to control by the Israeli military authorities who have a relatively free hand on the West Bank.
     
    No different than any lawful, civilized military occupation, for instance that of the USA in Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, and Japan.

    The Palestinians, after their defeat in a war they started, a war in which they promised to destroy Israel and massacre its Jewish population, had and still have a continued obligation to meekly accept the just terms of the victor. They could have had the most prosperous non-oil state in the Middle East they done so in 1949.

    It would not be as nice as Japan, as they are barbarians compared to the Japanese. Nonetheless, the Palestinians failed themselves, morally and practically, but not emulating the Japanese example under American occupation. Or of the Hong Kongese under British occupation.

    Which war do you say “The Palestinians’” started?
    Don’t you have a problem with that script, given that Israelis keep on saying that there was (and usually say “is” despite some conceding that Israel changed everything in1967) no Palestinian people?
    In 1967 it was admitted to be a preemptive war by Israel against Jordan, Syria and Egypt so I am really at a loss to know what you are trying to say.

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    Which war do you say “The Palestinians’” started?
     
    The first Arab-Israeli War.
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  103. @L.K
    Perfect answer.
    I would add that Jewish "history" is, at any rate, a big collection of fiction stories designed to achieve the "what's good for the Jews" thing. From the fraudulent zio narratives re the conflict in Palestine, to the monstrous holohoax, to the old canard that the Romans expelled the Jews in 70 A.D and much more...

    For example, Israeli historian Schlomo Sand, wrote re the various zio founding myths:

    But during the 1980s an earthquake shook these founding myths. The discoveries made by the “new archaeology” discredited a great exodus in the 13th century BC. Moses could not have led the Hebrews out of Egypt into the Promised Land, for the good reason that the latter was Egyptian territory at the time. And there is no trace of either a slave revolt against the pharaonic empire or of a sudden conquest of Canaan by outsiders.

    Nor is there any trace or memory of the magnificent kingdom of David and Solomon. Recent discoveries point to the existence, at the time, of two small kingdoms: Israel, the more powerful, and Judah, the future Judea. The general population of Judah did not go into 6th century BC exile: only its political and intellectual elite were forced to settle in Babylon. This decisive encounter with Persian religion gave birth to Jewish monotheism.

    Then there is the question of the exile of 70 AD. There has been no real research into this turning point in Jewish history, the cause of the diaspora. And for a simple reason: the Romans never exiled any nation from anywhere on the eastern seaboard of the Mediterranean. Apart from enslaved prisoners, the population of Judea continued to live on their lands, even after the destruction of the second temple. Some converted to Christianity in the 4th century, while the majority embraced Islam during the 7th century Arab conquest.

     

    ‘This decisive encounter with Persian religion gave birth to Jewish monotheism.’ Zoroastrianism! A small remnant still resides in Mumbai (Bombay), India. Known as Parsi (meaning from Persia), this illustrious group has produced such musical talents as Freddie Mercury and Zubin Mehta. A happy and fun loving people…

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  104. @Gabriel M

    But a people under occupation, even if relatively powerless, has a right to resist under international law, to include the use of violence, which is what the two Intifadas were all about.
     

    Germanus Tsibouktsakis (alt. Georgios Tsibouktzakis; Germanos Tsibuktsakis; Fr Gerasimos; Gur Pzipokatsatakis, Germanos Tsimtouktsakis) was a Greek Orthodox monk and Abbot of St. George's Monastery, Wadi Qelt who was murdered by a Palestinian terrorist on 12 June 2001 in a drive-by shooting. The killing took place during the Second Intifada, which began in September 2000. Yassir Arafat had declared a unilateral ceasefire a week before this attack, following the Dolphinarium discotheque massacre, part of the ongoing of Second Intifada.

    In 2004, Marwan Barghouti, a leader of Tanzim and al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades during the Second Intifada, was convicted of murder by an Israeli court for having directed the attack.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Georgios_Tsibouktzakis


    Meanwhile, Israeli settlers run amok on the West Bank, protected by the police and army as they attack Palestinians at random and systematically destroy their livelihoods.
     
    At random and systematically!

    It is a situation that would be unimaginable nearly anywhere else in the world
     
    Imaginary situations are often unimaginable.

    He has sometimes been likened to Nelson Mandela as someone who could potentially bring order and justice to an apparently intractable situation.
     
    You could also liken him to Nelson Mandela as a violent criminal.

    Anyway, I understand salt water goes well with chocolate bars.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TknOt_GSkQ

    Can't you do anything honestly?

    You only emphasise that you are playing a weak hand when you make silly attempts at point scoring as with:
    “At random and systematically!”

    What’s you problem with reading the chsrge as alleging that Palestinians are randomly attacked by settlers AND that they systematically destroy Palestinians’ livelihoods. True it doesn’t mske it 100 per cent clear whether random attacks are (or are sometimes) part of the means of destroying their livelihoods but you would better uphold Israelis’ reputation for decency if you attended to the substance rather than verbal nitpicking.

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    Actually, careless sentences ["..at random and systematically"] can cause grave misunderstanding. It isn't so much a nitpick as a pointer to the fact that Israel is engaged in no systematic genocide. As evidenced by the growth of the Pal population. I can explain and discard the loose words of the insignificant lunatics in the comments section, but not those from PG.

    The most significant contribution of GabrielM's post is the revelation of Barghouti's duplicity. Poseurs like him ought not to benefit from forums such as the NYTimes; declare their grand acts of "peaceful resistance" shortly after ordering the massacre of school children. [Did you watch the video of Barghouti sneaking chocolate during his much-heralded hunger strike?]
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  105. Agent76 says:
    @Rurik

    — strapping US in Palestinian chairs

     

    at 40 seconds in he says 'crossing borders or going on a plane or on a ship will become more complicated' (for Americans). And just as he said, all of us Americans (and others) are now treated as potential terrorists, as grandma tries to get passed the TSA check point without an uniformed goon humiliating her.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRA5dgI4NJA

    it's worth pointing out that Ehud Barak, considering his position in the Israeli government, was absolutely aware that the attacks on 9/11 were going to happen, as his Mossad agents were arrested "documenting the event". So he had to know. And yet there he is, lecturing us all on terror, the exact kind of terror that he sat by and allowed Americans to suffer, to augment his demonic agenda. Part of which includes turning all Americans, (and everybody else) effectively into Palestinians.

    once you understand their id, it all becomes rather obvious

    Old Testament uber-tribalism that considers all non-Jews as untermenschen put here on earth by their racial supremacist god of hatred and genocide to serve 'the chosen'

    'first they came for the Palestinians..

    then they came for the Iraqis, then the Libyans, then the Syrians, then the Russians...

    I don't know what just happened in England, but I do know that it is all a direct consequence of what these Zionists are doing. Opening up Europe's borders to millions of the people they've been savaging with their Eternal Wars. Creating hatred and strife. Hatred and strife. Wars and more wars. Killing Muslims and Christians in balls of fire.

    'such a deal! '

    Never believe the media! I suggest becoming a book reader and not Fiction either.

    Sep 5, 2016 9/11 Suspects: Rudy Giuliani

    Mayor Giuliani oversaw the illegal destruction of the 9/11 crime scene and is criminally liable for the deaths of hundreds of emergency workers for not passing on prior warnings about the collapses of the Twin Towers. It is no wonder, then, that the Fire Department of New York so passionately detest Giuliani for his actions in disgracing their fallen brothers and covering up the 9/11 crime.

    America’s “War on Terrorism” Author Name: Michel Chossudovsky

    https://store.globalresearch.ca/store/americas-war-on-terrorism/

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  106. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Then the British effortlessly held onto Palestine until, not the Arabs, but the small Jewish minority population rebelled and sent them packing.
     
    Kind of quickly glossed over what form that rebellion took that sent them packing.

    Sam made the following statement:


    Barghouti is a criminal, inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder. He acted as the money man, raising funds for the bombers and other terrorists.
     
    Does this not suggest the leaders of Irgun (‎Ze'ev Jabotinsky‎, ‎Avraham Tehomi‎, ‎Menachem Begin‎) and the Stern Gang (Avraham Stern‎; ‎Nathan Yellin-Mor‎; ‎Yitzhak Shamir‎; ‎Israel Eldad‎), two of whom went on to become PMs, were also criminals because they were "inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder"?

    But I forgot. Just like Sharon was supposedly a mensch, despite the fact (or because of it) he was responsible for the Sabra and Shatila massacre, Begin and Shamir were also mensches, notwithstanding their terrorist activities (or because of them), but Barghouti alone is the terrorist?

    Zionist logic is something to behold!

    There are no contradictions. Of course, Begin et al were considered terrorists by the British authority, according to the law in effect at the time.

    Barghouti, according to the sovereign law in effect today. But he is both a terrorist and a poseur who fancies himself the new M.K. Gandhi; except Gandhi did not sneak chocolate bars during his many hunger strikes, let alone order the murder of children in school buses.

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    But [Barghouti] is both a terrorist and a poseur who fancies himself the new M.K. Gandhi; except Gandhi did not sneak chocolate bars during his many hunger strikes, let alone order the murder of children in school buses.
     
    I couldn't agree more, Sam. Anyone who wants to murder innocent children is definitely a terrorist in my books. Which brings me to the death of the 500,000 innocent Iraqi children. You remember them, don't you, Sam? The ones that US Amassador to UN Madeleine Jana Korbel Albright (born Marie Jana Korbelová), when 60 Minutes' Lesley Stahl put the following question to her: "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?" replied, "We think the price is worth it."

    Who's responsible for the deaths of those half a million innocent children, Sam? Are you willing to provide as honest an answer as Ms. Korbelová provided to Lesley Stahl?
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  107. Rurik says: • Website
    @L.K
    Hey Rurik,

    Prof. Kevin MacDonald has researched and written extensively about the Jews.
    A key to understand zionist activists such as sam the sham, is to understand Jewish moral particularism/ double standards. Prof. MacDonald writes:

    "A recurrent theme here is the contrast between the moral universalism of the West versus Jewish moral particularism. Moral universalism is a corrollary of individualism: Groups have no moral standing. Stealing doesn’t become right depending on what group the victim belongs to.

    But Jewish ethics is based fundamentally on the group status of perpetrator and victim. It’s okay if the victim is from a different group. And within the group, ethics is structured so that the group as a whole benefits: What’s good for the Jews
    ."

    It's almost as if the good professor wrote the above with the likes of shameless in mind.
    The moral particularism/ double standards of shameless & co could not be more flagrant.

    Hey L.K.,

    Moral universalism is a corrollary of individualism: Groups have no moral standing. Stealing doesn’t become right depending on what group the victim belongs to.

    ironically that could have come straight out of an Ayn Rand screed. Her life’s work was dedicated to expounding on the rights of the individual vs. the collective- which she considered the original sin.

    But Jewish ethics is based fundamentally on the group status of perpetrator and victim.

    I suspect LK, that Jewish ethics are based fundamentally on the hysterical tripe written in the Old Testament, and the excretions of the Talmud. (I’m no fan ; )

    What’s good for the Jews.”

    if you take their religion/ethics at face value, then the Jews are the only ones who possess a soul. They are the only ones who matter. Indeed, the rest of us were put here by their god to serve them and exult them and lick their feet. IDK, but perhaps it has been their devotion to such notions that has caused so much historical angst between them and the people among whom they live. When their spiritual leaders exhort them that:

    “An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness.”

    “The important things are the Jews, because they do not exist for any [other] aim; they themselves are [the divine] aim.”

    “The entire creation [of a non-Jew] exists only for the sake of the Jews.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/07/why-is-the-us-honoring-a-racist-rabbi/

    The moral particularism/ double standards of shameless & co could not be more flagrant.

    he has marinated in the bile of lies and tribalism his whole life. I’m holding out hope that the sweet breeze of truth, wafting through the memes and gleams of understanding will come gently to rest in his lap, and that he’ll find his inner humanity, (that I’m convinced most Jews possess), their precepts- as expounded by the gentle rabbi, notwithstanding.

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  108. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    You only emphasise that you are playing a weak hand when you make silly attempts at point scoring as with:
    "At random and systematically!"

    What's you problem with reading the chsrge as alleging that Palestinians are randomly attacked by settlers AND that they systematically destroy Palestinians' livelihoods. True it doesn't mske it 100 per cent clear whether random attacks are (or are sometimes) part of the means of destroying their livelihoods but you would better uphold Israelis' reputation for decency if you attended to the substance rather than verbal nitpicking.

    Actually, careless sentences ["..at random and systematically"] can cause grave misunderstanding. It isn’t so much a nitpick as a pointer to the fact that Israel is engaged in no systematic genocide. As evidenced by the growth of the Pal population. I can explain and discard the loose words of the insignificant lunatics in the comments section, but not those from PG.

    The most significant contribution of GabrielM’s post is the revelation of Barghouti’s duplicity. Poseurs like him ought not to benefit from forums such as the NYTimes; declare their grand acts of “peaceful resistance” shortly after ordering the massacre of school children. [Did you watch the video of Barghouti sneaking chocolate during his much-heralded hunger strike?]

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    "Sneakung chocolate". No I didn't watch. But it's good to know he's no raving fanatic. Obviously quite a pragmatic fellow with whom it might be possible to do business.

    Did he order the massacre of school children? That would put him beyond the pale. Though it doesn't mean that he isn't to be dealt into an agreement in future as plenty of extreme terrorists hsve been including IRA, Zionists and one could include a hell of s lot of Nazis.

    My objective view, as one who has twenty times as many Jewish friends as Arab or Muslim, admires much about the "shitty little country" and likes to describe the world ss it is, is that Palèstinians choosing to inflict violent harm on Israelis may be just doing what one should expect anyone intheir position to do. I would expostulate with them particularly when they did something obviously unproductive for their cause, beyond the pale like targetting children or just hitting 3notably soft targets (an old people's home e.g.), but I think if I were a Palestinian motivated to care about Palestinians rather than just take advantage of the many opportunitiea for smart onea to flourish in many parts of the world I would be attempting a lot more violence against settlements than seems to be the case. (Why not sneak out and set up a hundred primitive simple mortars to be be triggered by a timer and land their shells in a settlement at 3 am? Drones and balloons suggest themselves too).

    I didn't see any point being made about genocide as you suggested. Indeed I can't see genocide as sn issue, even in the controversial sense in which a retired Australian judge with a guilty conscience latched on to the expression in relation to the separation of hslf white children from their Aboriginal families and therefore their "culture".

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  109. Sam Shama says:
    @Rurik

    Are we all willing to resign ourselves to the fact that “might is truly right”…
     
    yep Geo, when Sam goes on with that bent that killing weaker people and stealing their land is just human nature, I do wonder if he realizes he's providing moral justification for every questionable act that the Nazis did, including the slaughter of Russians and Poles and persecution and killing of Jews.

    I would have thought that the Nuremberg Tribunals, in which Jewry played a leading role, was supposed to be a turning point.
     
    exactly Geo

    human history up to that point never really had a universal tribunal to codify moral principles and laws to guide us all. We flailed blindly in the mire of ignorance and nature- 'red in tooth and claw'. It had been thus since the beginning of our slog out of the muck, into the inspired truths of our enlightenment. The Rule of Law.

    No more slavery. No more genocide. No more aggressive wars and stealing your weaker neighbors property. International law.

    That's what I was raised to believe. That the human race had agreed to universal principles and International Laws to establish them in the hearts and law books of mankind.

    But it was all bullshit. No sooner had they hung the Nazis, than the Zionists started plotting to butcher Palestinians and steal their land, with the sinister and pernicious scheming and collusion of the Western governments who had just sanctimoniously hanged the Nazis for what they themselves would be doing in earnest in only a short time. It seems the problem with Nazism wasn't the principles of Nazism, but rather it was just the wrong tribe practicing them. Nazism, (taking other people's land by force) was always supposed to be a Jewish thang, ya see? Not for white Christians, who when they do it are EVIL! But rather for Jews, (huh Sam?) who when they do are doing God's work!

    Nobody understood these people better than George Orwell. When the Jews invented and implemented Marxism and Bolshevism and Soviet communism, with all its oppressive and genocidal lust for power run amok, he saw their nature up close and personal. Treachery was their calling card, cruelty their daily bread. And the hypocrisy you describe when you mention the Nuremburg trials, are all part of the doublethink that Orwell talks about. We're all supposed to be OK with 'that genocide is doubleplus bad, but this genocide is doubleplus good', and 2 + 2 can some times = 5

    I think all we're doing here Geo, is pointing out to Sam that 2 + 2 = 4

    You wrote much nonsense. Since the establishment of Israel, how many Palestinians [terrorists and civilians] have died? I think about 20k. Comparing that to so many other real genocides tells the true story. Have you noticed what has happened to the population of the Palestinians? Great genocide eh?

    The rest of the attempts to hang the wars waged in the ME around the necks of Jews and Israel amount to the noises made by a collection of fringe eccentrics, based on some equally obscure paper written by some Jew decades ago, in search of a measure of ‘recognition’. In short, not worth the pixels.

    Also, 2+2 = 4 only works for base 10.

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    Since the establishment of Israel, how many Palestinians [terrorists and civilians] have died?
     
    I'm speaking of principles Sam. If it turns out that there were less than six million killed, and the actual numbers murdered because they were Jews was far less, would that make the crime any less heinous?

    If a Jew is being killed simply for being a Jew, this is the crime. Not how many. Just as if a Palestinian is being killed simply for being a Palestinians, then who cares if it is twenty thousand or two. The principle is the same, and what we should all be condemning is the mentality that tries to justify such crimes, no?

    when the Nazis (or Palestinian terrorists) kill(ed) Jews for being Jews, it was/is wrong

    when the Jews kill Arabs for being Arabs, it is equally wrong

    no?
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  110. @Lot
    The Arab lack of honor and morality is one reason they are so terrible at war. Easily conquered and occupied for centuries by the Ottomans, even during their long "sick man of Europe phase." Even as the Ottomans were defeated again and again not just by Russians, but by under-supplied and disorganized Greek and Slav peasant armies. Then the British effortlessly held onto Palestine until, not the Arabs, but the small Jewish minority population rebelled and sent them packing.

    During the first Arab-Israel war, the Arab armies all fled like cowards before an enemy who they outnumbered more than 5 to 1 and started the war surrounding on all sides.

    Today the Turks are able to control their large Kurdish population. But in Syria and Iraq, the Kurds, who are Iranic/Caucasian hybrids, not Arabs, are far better warriors and control areas far larger than their share of population. They also run their zones with more justice and less corruption.

    “…the Ottomans were defeated again and again not just by Russians, but by under-supplied and disorganized Greek and Slav peasant armies. ”

    Perhaps Lot missed the Gallipoli Campaign (Feb, 1915-Jan, 1916) in which 316,000 Ottoman troops defeated a combined force of Brits, Aussies, French and New Zealanders totalling some 490,000 men. Many of the Ottoman soldiers were Arabs who had been ordered out of greater Syria in 1914 to forestall a mutiny.

    And Lot missed the siege of Kut in Mesopotamia where in April of 1916 an Anglo Indian force under Gen. Townsend surrender to the Ottomans.

    And in April and March of 1917 the British under Archibald Murray were defeated in the First and Second Battles of Gaza. Notably the Brit used poison gas against the Turks, the first use of gas in the Middle East.

    I guess when you are trashing a whole people for “lack of honor and morality”, facts just aren’t important.

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    Ottoman troops defeated a combined force....
     
    And what was the outcome of the war in which that battle took place for the Ottoman Empire? Spoiler: The end of the Ottoman Empire.

    Anyway you missed my point. The Ottomans, even as their empire was collapsing, had no trouble keeping the Arabs under their boot.
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  111. Rurik says: • Website
    @Sam Shama

    are you suggesting that the Old Testament of the bible should be considered secular law when it comes to land ownership?
     
    You weren't applying the secular law when insisting nativity stands above all else including killing those not considered native by your definition with untroubled abandon. So, please, stick to the premise of your own standards at least. Secular law is that which a well-defined polity creates and observes in the conduct of its affairs. Non-citizens can be considered ex-judice when their endeavour consists in the main, a desire to destroy the established polity. That, as we shall see, stands in conflict with principled realism.

    Ever thought through that idea of principled realism, based on which the Trump administration proposes to approach the Israeli-Pal impasse? Bickering over who lived there since antiquity will find you wanting at every turn you attempt to invoke it. Palestinians require a state; yet they shall only have what both parties can agree to. Encouraging them to carry on with their abysmal dream of throwing the Jews into the sea will get them precisely naught. So you might say of the enablers, the bleeding hearts busy at the keyboards, that of all actors, they do to the Pals a service the latter need the least.

    Tikkun Olam refers to fixing the world; and yes, that idea demands that Jews fix the condition in which Pals find themselves, an outcome born of a combination of historical forces, some of their own making but a great deal beyond their agency or ability to influence. A long discussion, quite beyond the scope of this entry.

    And certainly not for the viewing of itinerant reptiles like L.K. who cannot open their frontal orifices without discharging excrement.

    England and her universities [both of them :-) ] will impress on all souls and fellows that which my meagre pen could only deliver in part.


    Over and out.

    You weren’t applying the secular law when insisting nativity stands above all else including killing those not considered native by your definition with untroubled abandon.

    now Sam, I never said killing people just because they weren’t native is OK, in fact I specifically said killing anyone for any reason if they’re honorable or innocent is a vile and heinous crime, didn’t I?

    But what I did say.. is that if there are people trying to kill you, and genocide your people, and steal your land and houses and farms and property, that not only is it good and honorable and even noble to kill such people, but that you’d have to be a complete dunderheaded coward not to kill such people. In fact when such people are killed, the whole world should rejoice, and celebrate, no?

    Don’t the Jews celebrate the slaughter of children every year in their most sacred holiday?

    If a tribe or government is trying to kill or enslave or dishonor your people, is it not a celebratory thing to see such a tribe or government ground into the dirt and destroyed?

    I do not and never would call for the death or harm to come to any person, Jewish or otherwise, simply because of the ethnicity or religion into which they had been born, but when Baruch Goldstein was beaten to death, surely this is a thing to be happy about, no?

    Non-citizens can be considered ex-judice when their endeavour consists in the main, a desire to destroy the established polity.

    are you suggesting the Jews got what they deserved by the Nazis?!

    Encouraging them to carry on with their abysmal dream of throwing the Jews into the sea will get them precisely naught.

    why don’t we all just agree to the 1967 borders and be done with it. I won’t demand 1948 borders, and I’ll say no right to return, but compensation. And Jerusalem as capital of the Palestinian state. You have to take some concessions now Sam, if you want peace.

    Tikkun Olam refers to fixing the world; and yes, that idea demands that Jews fix the condition in which Pals find themselves, an outcome born of a combination of historical forces, some of their own making but a great deal beyond their agency or ability to influence.

    well, as long as Americans are taxed to fund the Palestinian’s tormentors, you won’t mind if some of us goyim chime in on a potential solution I trust.

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  112. Sherman says:
    @Greasy William

    Tikkun Olam refers to fixing the world; and yes, that idea demands that Jews fix the condition in which Pals find themselves, an outcome born of a combination of historical forces, some of their own making but a great deal beyond their agency or ability to influence.
     
    Total bullshit. Judaism demands total annihilation of our enemies. Saying anything else is beyond being merely misleading, it is outright lying about what the Torah teaches us. As was done to the Canaanites, so must be done to the Palestinians.

    Even uber moderate Maimonides was calling for the elimination of the Palestinians as far back as the 12th century.

    “Judaism demands total annihilation of our enemies”

    “Our”?

    I didn’t know you were a Jew!

    Shalom my brother!

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  113. Sam Shama says:
    @Greasy William

    Tikkun Olam refers to fixing the world; and yes, that idea demands that Jews fix the condition in which Pals find themselves, an outcome born of a combination of historical forces, some of their own making but a great deal beyond their agency or ability to influence.
     
    Total bullshit. Judaism demands total annihilation of our enemies. Saying anything else is beyond being merely misleading, it is outright lying about what the Torah teaches us. As was done to the Canaanites, so must be done to the Palestinians.

    Even uber moderate Maimonides was calling for the elimination of the Palestinians as far back as the 12th century.

    Please don’t write nonsense in response to my posts. You consider your reading of the Torah the last word by which all Jews should live.

    No; both the G’d idea and the various interpretations of the Torah, while they change at the subconscious level, actually need to change at the conscious level. You sabotage yourself when clinging to some minority interpretation you’ve created for yourself, wholly dispensing with all the reliable scientific knowledge we’ve gained. I won’t have any truck with that.

    Where and when precisely did the Rambam call for the elimination of Palestinians? Can you reference the source?

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    No; both the G’d idea and the various interpretations of the Torah, while they change at the subconscious level, actually need to change at the conscious level. You sabotage yourself when clinging to some minority interpretation you’ve created for yourself, wholly dispensing with all the reliable scientific knowledge we’ve gained.
     
    Oh my – more Jew pretensions of goodness - what a boat load of gobbledygook and intentional disinformation.

    You can see the Torah in action every day – just look at Israel – a nation of squatters and militaristic thugs.

    Apartheid, check-points, torture, preventive detention, summary killings, shooting children who throw rocks, a 1,500,000-open-air prison, and hidden nukes. And those are just the obvious evils.

    Jews live the Torah in Israel - and look at what it produces – shame – shame – shame!

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. All this talk of subconscious and conscious and science about the Torah is pseudo-intellectual garbage. The man who writes that nonsense, is a sad little person with an overactive ego.
    , @Greasy William

    Where and when precisely did the Rambam call for the elimination of Palestinians? Can you reference the source?
     
    He said that the Land of Israel needed to be forcibly taken from "Ishmael". Not just that the Land should be conquered, but that the inhabitants needed to be dispossessed with only those who accepted Jewish sovereignty being allowed to remain. Obviously he didn't call them Palestinians.
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  114. Agent76 says:

    May 23, 2017 Palestine: 50 Years of Occupation The ARIJ Report

    When the Palestinian engaged the peace process in 1993, they anticipated the emergence of their Palestinian State within five years time on the 22% of Palestine’s land occupied by Israel on June 5, 1967 with East Jerusalem as its capital. It was way off the 43% designated to the Palestinians in the United Nations’ proposed partition plan in 1947.

    http://english.pnn.ps/2017/05/22/arij-report-50-years-of-occupation/

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  115. Eagle Eye says:
    @JoaoAlfaiate
    What utter hogwash. Even Chaim Weizmann noted in 1922 that the Balfour Declaration was limited “to Palestine west of the Jordan.”

    What matters is that the number of Arabs between the River and the Sea and the number of Jewish Israelis is equal-but one group has all the power and the second group has limited political rights inside the Green Line, virtually no rights on the West Bank and in occupied east Jerusalem and Gaza remains under occupation/siege.

    Israel has three choices: ( 1) It continues the current system of Apartheid where laws distinguish between different groups according to religion. Or (2) it withdraws from the West Bank and ends the siege of Gaza and grants the Palestinians a state with Jerusalem as its capital. Or (3) Israel grants everyone between the River and the Sea equal political rights without regard to religion.

    Israel has three choices: …

    Do you care as much about the countless REAL human rights hell holes on earth? DR Congo? Sudan and South Sudan (still annihilating tribes)? Zimbabwe (economic shambles, millions living in SA)? Equatorial Guinea? North Korea?

    Pray do share your solutions for each of those. Or are those human lives somehow worth less than the Phakestinian drama queens who have a real Israeli Supreme Court looking out for them? But of course not everyone is “into” black men, right?

    Are you telling us Barghouti the chocolate sneak and his family would still be in one piece if they had perpetrated their crimes in Equatorial Guinea? In Katanga?

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    Our tax dollars don't pay for what goes on in the Congo, the Sudans, North Korea and the other places you mention. But we pay for Israel.

    Our reps at the UN do not routinely defend atrocities committed by the governments of those countries. But our folks at the UN defend and excuse Israel's crimes and violations of international law.

    The countries you mention do not have lobbying operations and friends in the USA which distort US foreign policy for their benefit. The US supports Israel's outrageous behavior and is thus the target of Islamic terrorists. And we continue to fight wars for Israel, Syria and Iran being the next targets-justifications being ginned up by Israel and its supporters and lobbyists here.
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  116. @Sam Shama
    Actually, careless sentences ["..at random and systematically"] can cause grave misunderstanding. It isn't so much a nitpick as a pointer to the fact that Israel is engaged in no systematic genocide. As evidenced by the growth of the Pal population. I can explain and discard the loose words of the insignificant lunatics in the comments section, but not those from PG.

    The most significant contribution of GabrielM's post is the revelation of Barghouti's duplicity. Poseurs like him ought not to benefit from forums such as the NYTimes; declare their grand acts of "peaceful resistance" shortly after ordering the massacre of school children. [Did you watch the video of Barghouti sneaking chocolate during his much-heralded hunger strike?]

    “Sneakung chocolate”. No I didn’t watch. But it’s good to know he’s no raving fanatic. Obviously quite a pragmatic fellow with whom it might be possible to do business.

    Did he order the massacre of school children? That would put him beyond the pale. Though it doesn’t mean that he isn’t to be dealt into an agreement in future as plenty of extreme terrorists hsve been including IRA, Zionists and one could include a hell of s lot of Nazis.

    My objective view, as one who has twenty times as many Jewish friends as Arab or Muslim, admires much about the “shitty little country” and likes to describe the world ss it is, is that Palèstinians choosing to inflict violent harm on Israelis may be just doing what one should expect anyone intheir position to do. I would expostulate with them particularly when they did something obviously unproductive for their cause, beyond the pale like targetting children or just hitting 3notably soft targets (an old people’s home e.g.), but I think if I were a Palestinian motivated to care about Palestinians rather than just take advantage of the many opportunitiea for smart onea to flourish in many parts of the world I would be attempting a lot more violence against settlements than seems to be the case. (Why not sneak out and set up a hundred primitive simple mortars to be be triggered by a timer and land their shells in a settlement at 3 am? Drones and balloons suggest themselves too).

    I didn’t see any point being made about genocide as you suggested. Indeed I can’t see genocide as sn issue, even in the controversial sense in which a retired Australian judge with a guilty conscience latched on to the expression in relation to the separation of hslf white children from their Aboriginal families and therefore their “culture”.

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  117. Rurik says: • Website
    @Sam Shama
    You wrote much nonsense. Since the establishment of Israel, how many Palestinians [terrorists and civilians] have died? I think about 20k. Comparing that to so many other real genocides tells the true story. Have you noticed what has happened to the population of the Palestinians? Great genocide eh?

    The rest of the attempts to hang the wars waged in the ME around the necks of Jews and Israel amount to the noises made by a collection of fringe eccentrics, based on some equally obscure paper written by some Jew decades ago, in search of a measure of 'recognition'. In short, not worth the pixels.

    Also, 2+2 = 4 only works for base 10.

    Since the establishment of Israel, how many Palestinians [terrorists and civilians] have died?

    I’m speaking of principles Sam. If it turns out that there were less than six million killed, and the actual numbers murdered because they were Jews was far less, would that make the crime any less heinous?

    If a Jew is being killed simply for being a Jew, this is the crime. Not how many. Just as if a Palestinian is being killed simply for being a Palestinians, then who cares if it is twenty thousand or two. The principle is the same, and what we should all be condemning is the mentality that tries to justify such crimes, no?

    when the Nazis (or Palestinian terrorists) kill(ed) Jews for being Jews, it was/is wrong

    when the Jews kill Arabs for being Arabs, it is equally wrong

    no?

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    Yes but numbers do matter because a few killings could just be thè evil done by a couple of fanatical nutters while a few every week suggests the government and police are incompetent and don't care. What Idi Amin's numerous atrocities said about Uganda and Ugandans was much modified once he was overthrown.....
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  118. @Sam Shama
    Did Menachem Begin, ever, ceremoniously announce a novel "hunger strike" which included chocolate bars on a publication no less prestigious than the NY Times?

    Sam, if that was a joke better not to have replied unless it was intentional to concede the point that Barghouti could be a Begin.

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    Well, I agree with you, perhaps better to have not responded.

    But Begin was considered a terrorist by the Crown, and he did inflict severe damage to British assets. But they were all non-civilian targets. So Pals bring suicide bombers to nightclubs, weddings and shopping malls while Israel responds by annihilating Hamas' military positions. Where people arguing the Pal position run into trouble, is when they demand Israel not enforce laws. It is irrelevant to me whether the Barghoutis consider those laws null and void; yet I require they do so while understanding the consequences, which are well-defined.

    All Arab states have more or less washed their hands clean of the Palestinian question. They kept the 'cause' alive as long as it suited their domestic political agenda.

    BTW, here's the video of Barghouti sneaking chocolate in his prison cell, while on 'hunger strike' which he had previously announced on the NYTimes.

    https://youtu.be/3TknOt_GSkQ

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  119. @SolontoCroesus
    Israeli psychopaths are out in force, Phil Giraldi having touched a very reactive nerve; Phil doesn't need a "Palestinian chair" to cause these morally depraved hasbarats to boast of their inhumanity.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/7/ex_abu_ghraib_interrogator_israelis_trained


    Raad Hussein is bound to the Palestinian chair. His hands are tied to his ankles. The chair forces him to lean forward in a crouch, forcing all of his weight onto his thighs. It’s as if he’s been trapped in the act of kneeling down to pray, his knees frozen just above the floor, his arms pinned below his legs. He is blindfolded. His head has collapsed into his chest. He wheezes and gasps for air. There is a pool of urine at his feet. He moans: too tired to cry, but in too much pain to remain silent.

    “Henson comes out into the hallway and walks past the room. He covers the side of his face as he walks by and says, 'I don't even want to know.’

    "I am silent. This is a sin. I know it as soon as I see it. There will be no atonement for it. In the coming years, I won’t have the audacity to seek it. Witnessing a man being tortured in the Palestinian chair requires the witness to either seek justice or cover his face. Like Henson in Fallujah, I’ll spend the rest of my life covering my face."
     

    But this is about the American people.

    We support this shit.
    We allow our soldiers to be trained by Israeli psychopaths.

    The American president just implicated "all the American people" in the crimes of Israel:


    We love Israel. We respect Israel and I send your people the warmest greetings from your friend and ally -- all of the people in the United States of America. We are with you.
     
    No, we don't "respect Israel," Mr. Trump, nor are USA and Israel "eternally bound by shared values." We, the American people are hostage to thugs like

    Greasy William http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881669

    Lot http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881708

    Eagle Eye http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881733

    mccohen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881765

    Gabriel M http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881768

    KArl http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881792

    Thorfinnsson http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881864

    Sherman http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881928

    iffen http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881951

    and Unz's own urbane, if reality-impaired Sam Shama http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881971

    These psychopaths have expressed, loud and clear, their disdain for the foundations of civilized society; they have bound us, Americans, to them in the common way the sleaziest of criminal gangs maintains their criminal discipline: by implicating others in its crimes.

    Ask yourselves, Americans, how supporting zionist criminality turned out for the British
    http://book-pdf-8b.fplys.com/index.php?page=25603

    Does any American think Israel will not turn on the USA -- strapping US in Palestinian chairs -- once it has ceased to serve zionist purposes, the USA having been thoroughly debauched morally and drained economically?

    I am reminded of a witty conservative politician saying, when my state was leading Australia in providing with great attention to licensing conditions for legal brothels, that only clergymen should be allowed to hold licenses.

    Why? Because the anathematising and banning of torture is not truly simple and a great deal of the problem would be solved if it was only administered under the control of highly intelligent, thoughtful, calm, non-sadists. Abu Ghreib was a disaster that will no doubt hamper the doing of any good in the ME by the US for at least a generation. But extreme coercion obviously can get vital information in a timely way – though it is most unlikely to happen often – and the only people that any country should allow to use it have to be very special. Is it possible to choose these very special people? That’s a problem. Personally vetted by Donald Rumsfeld and the head of the CIA, every one of them? Credible threats to family would probsbly be most effective but, if physicsl pressure can work then the so-called “Palestinian Chair” is probably just about acceptable. Pain should be regarded as in a different category from doing permanent and serious physical harm. Waterboarding probsbly passes – administered by clergymen so-to-speak.

    What of consequential mental harm in this soft touchy-feely age? Pass. Except to say that that it might be thought that warriors, saboteurs, spies – but not the mere accidental witness – should largely be regarded as volunteers who are fair game.

    I wonder what PG might tell us is systematic professional thinking about this? I mean intelligence professionals, not Justice Department lawyers who are only lawyers.

    And BTW my approsch to the law snd its enforcement is that all torture should be illegal but any trial should be by jury who can nullify when they think appropriate.

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  120. @Rurik

    Since the establishment of Israel, how many Palestinians [terrorists and civilians] have died?
     
    I'm speaking of principles Sam. If it turns out that there were less than six million killed, and the actual numbers murdered because they were Jews was far less, would that make the crime any less heinous?

    If a Jew is being killed simply for being a Jew, this is the crime. Not how many. Just as if a Palestinian is being killed simply for being a Palestinians, then who cares if it is twenty thousand or two. The principle is the same, and what we should all be condemning is the mentality that tries to justify such crimes, no?

    when the Nazis (or Palestinian terrorists) kill(ed) Jews for being Jews, it was/is wrong

    when the Jews kill Arabs for being Arabs, it is equally wrong

    no?

    Yes but numbers do matter because a few killings could just be thè evil done by a couple of fanatical nutters while a few every week suggests the government and police are incompetent and don’t care. What Idi Amin’s numerous atrocities said about Uganda and Ugandans was much modified once he was overthrown…..

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    Yes but numbers do matter because a few killings could just be thè evil done by a couple of fanatical nutters while a few every week suggests the government and police are incompetent and don’t care.
     
    you're missing the point wiz

    the point is when the government kills people because they happen to belong to the wrong race (ethnicity, religion, tribe, etc..)

    we all know the Nazis persecuted and executed some Jews simply for being Jews

    just as today, there are Jews in Israel that are murdering and persecuting Arabs simply for being Arabs.

    as a matter of principle, this is either wrong, or it's OK

    and if it's OK for Jews in Israel to murder Palestinians simply for being Palestinians (whether it's two or twenty thousand), then by what moral, ethical logic can we condemn the Nazis for doing the exact same thing- that we Americans are forced to fund and facilitate in the holy land today?

    if I condemn Nazism, (in so far as it was a murderous, racial supremacist agenda of land theft and conquest)*, then how can I possibly be quiescent about the exact same thing being done on my dime and with my country's moral sanction in the holy land?

    the answer is that in principle, Zionism is the exact same thing as Nazism, (at least insofar as Nazism is considered a murderous, genocidal, hate-crazed ideology of racial supremacy and land theft)

    *the degree to which this describes actual Nazism is of course a matter of some debate.
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  121. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Sam, if that was a joke better not to have replied unless it was intentional to concede the point that Barghouti could be a Begin.

    Well, I agree with you, perhaps better to have not responded.

    But Begin was considered a terrorist by the Crown, and he did inflict severe damage to British assets. But they were all non-civilian targets. So Pals bring suicide bombers to nightclubs, weddings and shopping malls while Israel responds by annihilating Hamas’ military positions. Where people arguing the Pal position run into trouble, is when they demand Israel not enforce laws. It is irrelevant to me whether the Barghoutis consider those laws null and void; yet I require they do so while understanding the consequences, which are well-defined.

    All Arab states have more or less washed their hands clean of the Palestinian question. They kept the ’cause’ alive as long as it suited their domestic political agenda.

    BTW, here’s the video of Barghouti sneaking chocolate in his prison cell, while on ‘hunger strike’ which he had previously announced on the NYTimes.

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    while Israel responds by annihilating Hamas’ military positions.
     
    here's some of those Palestinian terrorists that are righteously targeted

    Israel must be allowed to defend itself!

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/17/article-2695793-1FB70E4C00000578-571_964x612.jpg
    , @anarchyst
    Not true...Begin WAS (and still is) a "terrorist". In fact, the first modern-day example of today's terrorism, (violence purposely committed against civilians to achieve a political aim) WAS the jewish bombing of the King David Hotel.
    Let's not forget the Lavon affair, in which jewish terrorists attacked the U S interests section, and attempted to frame the Egyptians in order to foment a war between Egypt and the USA. This attempted terrorist act failed when one of the jewish bombers blew himself up, exposing the operation as a wholly jewish affair.
    The "biggie" is the deliberate attack on the USS Liberty (GTR-5) in which the ship and its lifeboats was attacked by Israel for HOURS, with the full knowledge of President Lyndon Johnson, and his jewish handlers in the U S government. When the brave sailors did not all "die on command" Johnson reluctantly (had to) send help to the stricken ship (after 3 futile requests for help). Of course, the "cover up" was orchestrated by none other than Admiral John S. McCain, who threatened the surviving sailors with courts martial, if they didn't keep quiet about the attack. The "apple certainly does not fall far from the tree"...
    The ROT that is Israel and the U S government goes way back...
    , @Art

    So Pals bring suicide bombers to nightclubs, weddings and shopping malls while Israel responds by annihilating Hamas’ military positions. Where people arguing the Pal position run into trouble, is when they demand Israel not enforce laws.
     
    This Jew knows that the pain inflected on the Palestinians is a hundred times what the Palestinians have done to the Jews.

    This man marks himself as a liar and propagandist. He uses his brain to thwart justice and peace. What a sad little man.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Jew law is the law of the tribal jungle - the only outlet the Palestinians have is physical.

    p.s. Palestinians did not have a hand in making those laws.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    I feel so sorry for poor Sam Shama, single-handedly fighting the good fight, defending the Jewish version of truth, justice and the zionist way. With nothing to support and sustain him but his Viennese elitist pedigree, his European education, his PhD, his Wall Street career, his participation in 'reparations payments' and political cover to his tribe, which tribe enjoys the military, financial and political backing of the world's most deluded superpower; his membership in the Chosens, -- in other words, just this side of bare-knuckes, Sam maintains righteously that Barghouti deserves everything he's suffering

    because
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881768

    because
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1882033

    because
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1882248

    because
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1883349

    because
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1883479

    because
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1883482

    because
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1883575


    CHOCOLATE!

    Guilty as charged!

    Into the oven with you, Barghouti.

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  122. Rurik says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz
    Yes but numbers do matter because a few killings could just be thè evil done by a couple of fanatical nutters while a few every week suggests the government and police are incompetent and don't care. What Idi Amin's numerous atrocities said about Uganda and Ugandans was much modified once he was overthrown.....

    Yes but numbers do matter because a few killings could just be thè evil done by a couple of fanatical nutters while a few every week suggests the government and police are incompetent and don’t care.

    you’re missing the point wiz

    the point is when the government kills people because they happen to belong to the wrong race (ethnicity, religion, tribe, etc..)

    we all know the Nazis persecuted and executed some Jews simply for being Jews

    just as today, there are Jews in Israel that are murdering and persecuting Arabs simply for being Arabs.

    as a matter of principle, this is either wrong, or it’s OK

    and if it’s OK for Jews in Israel to murder Palestinians simply for being Palestinians (whether it’s two or twenty thousand), then by what moral, ethical logic can we condemn the Nazis for doing the exact same thing- that we Americans are forced to fund and facilitate in the holy land today?

    if I condemn Nazism, (in so far as it was a murderous, racial supremacist agenda of land theft and conquest)*, then how can I possibly be quiescent about the exact same thing being done on my dime and with my country’s moral sanction in the holy land?

    the answer is that in principle, Zionism is the exact same thing as Nazism, (at least insofar as Nazism is considered a murderous, genocidal, hate-crazed ideology of racial supremacy and land theft)

    *the degree to which this describes actual Nazism is of course a matter of some debate.

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    No, with respect, it is not I that is missing the point but you; and you sare doing it because you are begging the question.

    Your question begging shows up in the very next paragraph by way of your assuming that the issue concerns only government killing. My point was that a few isolated killings may well be just thst : nothing to do with government beforehand and also telling us little about the society they take place in.
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  123. RobinG says:
    @anarchyst
    The only thing Christianity adopted from Judaism is the Ten Commandments--nothing more. In fact, Christianity is so hated by Jews, they have hatred for Jesus Christ and Mary codified in their Talmud.
    Contrast Jewish hatred with the way Islam treats Jesus Christ and his mother Mary. Both Jesus Christ and Mary are given high regard in the Islamic world, unlike the jewish hatred of both figures. In fact, Mary is specifically mentioned in the Qur'an...
    The Catholic church was co-opted and possibly mortally wounded by interference from jewish and protestant types during the Second Ecumenical Council (Vatican II). Both jews and protestants were given unparallelled access to the inner workings and had major influence in the changes imposed on the world's Catholic population.
    Absolving the jews of Christ's crucifixion and death was one major error. Of course, as is the case presently, jews got the Romans to do their "dirty work" for them--hence Jesus Christ was crucified and murdered with the jews taking full responsibility.
    Banning the celebration of the Tridentine Mass was another error. Only in recent times has the Catholic Church relented and allowed the celebration of this beautiful rite.

    The only thing Christianity adopted from Judaism is the Ten Commandments

    And the 10 C’s are not even Jewish. The Jews adopted/abridged them from the (much longer, 20+?) ancient Egyptian moral code.

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  124. @Lot
    The Arab lack of honor and morality is one reason they are so terrible at war. Easily conquered and occupied for centuries by the Ottomans, even during their long "sick man of Europe phase." Even as the Ottomans were defeated again and again not just by Russians, but by under-supplied and disorganized Greek and Slav peasant armies. Then the British effortlessly held onto Palestine until, not the Arabs, but the small Jewish minority population rebelled and sent them packing.

    During the first Arab-Israel war, the Arab armies all fled like cowards before an enemy who they outnumbered more than 5 to 1 and started the war surrounding on all sides.

    Today the Turks are able to control their large Kurdish population. But in Syria and Iraq, the Kurds, who are Iranic/Caucasian hybrids, not Arabs, are far better warriors and control areas far larger than their share of population. They also run their zones with more justice and less corruption.

    Be that as it may regarding the Turks and the Arabs, Lot. But it is the Persians, stupid.
    The principled, formidable, fearless and indomitable Persians.

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  125. RobinG says:
    @Rurik

    Are we all willing to resign ourselves to the fact that “might is truly right”…
     
    yep Geo, when Sam goes on with that bent that killing weaker people and stealing their land is just human nature, I do wonder if he realizes he's providing moral justification for every questionable act that the Nazis did, including the slaughter of Russians and Poles and persecution and killing of Jews.

    I would have thought that the Nuremberg Tribunals, in which Jewry played a leading role, was supposed to be a turning point.
     
    exactly Geo

    human history up to that point never really had a universal tribunal to codify moral principles and laws to guide us all. We flailed blindly in the mire of ignorance and nature- 'red in tooth and claw'. It had been thus since the beginning of our slog out of the muck, into the inspired truths of our enlightenment. The Rule of Law.

    No more slavery. No more genocide. No more aggressive wars and stealing your weaker neighbors property. International law.

    That's what I was raised to believe. That the human race had agreed to universal principles and International Laws to establish them in the hearts and law books of mankind.

    But it was all bullshit. No sooner had they hung the Nazis, than the Zionists started plotting to butcher Palestinians and steal their land, with the sinister and pernicious scheming and collusion of the Western governments who had just sanctimoniously hanged the Nazis for what they themselves would be doing in earnest in only a short time. It seems the problem with Nazism wasn't the principles of Nazism, but rather it was just the wrong tribe practicing them. Nazism, (taking other people's land by force) was always supposed to be a Jewish thang, ya see? Not for white Christians, who when they do it are EVIL! But rather for Jews, (huh Sam?) who when they do are doing God's work!

    Nobody understood these people better than George Orwell. When the Jews invented and implemented Marxism and Bolshevism and Soviet communism, with all its oppressive and genocidal lust for power run amok, he saw their nature up close and personal. Treachery was their calling card, cruelty their daily bread. And the hypocrisy you describe when you mention the Nuremburg trials, are all part of the doublethink that Orwell talks about. We're all supposed to be OK with 'that genocide is doubleplus bad, but this genocide is doubleplus good', and 2 + 2 can some times = 5

    I think all we're doing here Geo, is pointing out to Sam that 2 + 2 = 4

    “…..when Sam goes on with that bent that killing weaker people and stealing their land is just human nature, I do wonder if he realizes he’s providing moral justification for every questionable act that the Nazis did, including the slaughter of Russians and Poles and persecution and killing of Jews. ”

    Excellent post, Rurik. And note how Sam counters by saying Jews use a different math – just as they’re entitled to an alternate morality. So says the Chosen. [The primitive.]

    But isn’t that what all the race warriors want? Their own math and morality? Preserve the tribe, and to Hell with everyone else! Interesting that Atzmon says the only proper labels for Israel are racist and nationalist.

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    Thanks Robin,

    But isn’t that what all the race warriors want? Their own math and morality? Preserve the tribe, and to Hell with everyone else! Interesting that Atzmon says the only proper labels for Israel are racist and nationalist.
     
    first off 'racist' is a loaded word. It can mean almost anything. I'm sure there are some who consider the Palestinians racists/nationalists for demanding a state of their own.

    'Why do they have to have their own (racial) nation? What's wrong with them simply adapting to a second-class status in the Jew-run state of Israel? (and indeed, the same thing can be said about American whites. What's with their alt-right nationalism? Why don't they just accept their second-class status in the Jewish-run ZUSA? Sure, the Affirmative Action laws mean they're legally less than human, but so what?)

    So that word has to be used carefully. For myself, I have always maintained that all peoples are entitled to self-determination. Palestinians, Jews, Kurds, blacks, browns and yes, even whites.

    a lot of people would call me a racist for saying such a thing.

    'Germans?! How can you say that Germans deserve their own nation?! How *dare* you say that? Are you a Nazi?!'

    and so forth.

    but the problems I see today are that certain people have been slated for the dustbin of history, and that's why there is so much strife. The main people that have been slated for the dustbin of history, of course are the Palestinians. They are not only a tragically wronged people, who've suffered heart wrenching indignities, but they're also humanities canary in the coal mine.

    As go the Palestinians, so too go the rest of us (all Gentiles) eventually, unless we can collectively marshal the wherewithal to waylay these netherworld Zionists.

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  126. Rurik says: • Website
    @Sam Shama
    Well, I agree with you, perhaps better to have not responded.

    But Begin was considered a terrorist by the Crown, and he did inflict severe damage to British assets. But they were all non-civilian targets. So Pals bring suicide bombers to nightclubs, weddings and shopping malls while Israel responds by annihilating Hamas' military positions. Where people arguing the Pal position run into trouble, is when they demand Israel not enforce laws. It is irrelevant to me whether the Barghoutis consider those laws null and void; yet I require they do so while understanding the consequences, which are well-defined.

    All Arab states have more or less washed their hands clean of the Palestinian question. They kept the 'cause' alive as long as it suited their domestic political agenda.

    BTW, here's the video of Barghouti sneaking chocolate in his prison cell, while on 'hunger strike' which he had previously announced on the NYTimes.

    https://youtu.be/3TknOt_GSkQ

    while Israel responds by annihilating Hamas’ military positions.

    here’s some of those Palestinian terrorists that are righteously targeted

    Israel must be allowed to defend itself!

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  127. anarchyst says:
    @Sam Shama
    Well, I agree with you, perhaps better to have not responded.

    But Begin was considered a terrorist by the Crown, and he did inflict severe damage to British assets. But they were all non-civilian targets. So Pals bring suicide bombers to nightclubs, weddings and shopping malls while Israel responds by annihilating Hamas' military positions. Where people arguing the Pal position run into trouble, is when they demand Israel not enforce laws. It is irrelevant to me whether the Barghoutis consider those laws null and void; yet I require they do so while understanding the consequences, which are well-defined.

    All Arab states have more or less washed their hands clean of the Palestinian question. They kept the 'cause' alive as long as it suited their domestic political agenda.

    BTW, here's the video of Barghouti sneaking chocolate in his prison cell, while on 'hunger strike' which he had previously announced on the NYTimes.

    https://youtu.be/3TknOt_GSkQ

    Not true…Begin WAS (and still is) a “terrorist”. In fact, the first modern-day example of today’s terrorism, (violence purposely committed against civilians to achieve a political aim) WAS the jewish bombing of the King David Hotel.
    Let’s not forget the Lavon affair, in which jewish terrorists attacked the U S interests section, and attempted to frame the Egyptians in order to foment a war between Egypt and the USA. This attempted terrorist act failed when one of the jewish bombers blew himself up, exposing the operation as a wholly jewish affair.
    The “biggie” is the deliberate attack on the USS Liberty (GTR-5) in which the ship and its lifeboats was attacked by Israel for HOURS, with the full knowledge of President Lyndon Johnson, and his jewish handlers in the U S government. When the brave sailors did not all “die on command” Johnson reluctantly (had to) send help to the stricken ship (after 3 futile requests for help). Of course, the “cover up” was orchestrated by none other than Admiral John S. McCain, who threatened the surviving sailors with courts martial, if they didn’t keep quiet about the attack. The “apple certainly does not fall far from the tree”…
    The ROT that is Israel and the U S government goes way back…

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  128. Art says:
    @Eagle Eye

    demands for Marwan Barghouti’s release ... based on his relative moderation and desire to see a peaceful transition into a two-state solution for Israel and Palestine. He has sometimes been likened to Nelson Mandela
     
    Cue the violins for St. Marwan the noble martyr.

    What Barghouti and his ilk REALLY want is a Final Solution without a single Jew, not a "two-state solution."

    Of course, without Israelis, West-Jordan would relapse into another over-populated post-Ottoman hellhole within 2-3 years. By then, Barghouti will long have relocated to a perch as university lecturer in the U.S. or Europe if he is not first executed by his Arab brethren.

    What Barghouti and his ilk REALLY want is a Final Solution without a single Jew, not a “two-state solution.”

    What self-respecting human being would not feel as Barghouti does?

    Jews bring hate to themselves.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Squatters have no rights.

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    [Eagle Eye:] What Barghouti and his ilk REALLY want is a Final Solution without a single Jew, not a “two-state solution.”

    [Art responds:] What self-respecting human being would not feel as Barghouti does?

     
    Thank you for the honest reply.

    This is what the sober portion of Israel's body politic is faced with. This is why a two-state "solution" would be suicide, no matter what safeguards are solemnly recited on parchment.

    Deals with Muslims are like shooting stars or Instagram pictures - they sparkle for one bright and shiny moment, then disappear never to be seen again.
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  129. Art says:
    @Sam Shama
    Well, I agree with you, perhaps better to have not responded.

    But Begin was considered a terrorist by the Crown, and he did inflict severe damage to British assets. But they were all non-civilian targets. So Pals bring suicide bombers to nightclubs, weddings and shopping malls while Israel responds by annihilating Hamas' military positions. Where people arguing the Pal position run into trouble, is when they demand Israel not enforce laws. It is irrelevant to me whether the Barghoutis consider those laws null and void; yet I require they do so while understanding the consequences, which are well-defined.

    All Arab states have more or less washed their hands clean of the Palestinian question. They kept the 'cause' alive as long as it suited their domestic political agenda.

    BTW, here's the video of Barghouti sneaking chocolate in his prison cell, while on 'hunger strike' which he had previously announced on the NYTimes.

    https://youtu.be/3TknOt_GSkQ

    So Pals bring suicide bombers to nightclubs, weddings and shopping malls while Israel responds by annihilating Hamas’ military positions. Where people arguing the Pal position run into trouble, is when they demand Israel not enforce laws.

    This Jew knows that the pain inflected on the Palestinians is a hundred times what the Palestinians have done to the Jews.

    This man marks himself as a liar and propagandist. He uses his brain to thwart justice and peace. What a sad little man.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Jew law is the law of the tribal jungle – the only outlet the Palestinians have is physical.

    p.s. Palestinians did not have a hand in making those laws.

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    Art how lovely to see you again. Missed your endearing little posts of late. I trust you are drinking salt water exclusively over all other potables?

    No pork and beans either, and certainly not chocolate bars.


    Conflict - Sam
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  130. @Eagle Eye

    Israel has three choices: ...
     
    Do you care as much about the countless REAL human rights hell holes on earth? DR Congo? Sudan and South Sudan (still annihilating tribes)? Zimbabwe (economic shambles, millions living in SA)? Equatorial Guinea? North Korea?

    Pray do share your solutions for each of those. Or are those human lives somehow worth less than the Phakestinian drama queens who have a real Israeli Supreme Court looking out for them? But of course not everyone is "into" black men, right?

    Are you telling us Barghouti the chocolate sneak and his family would still be in one piece if they had perpetrated their crimes in Equatorial Guinea? In Katanga?

    Our tax dollars don’t pay for what goes on in the Congo, the Sudans, North Korea and the other places you mention. But we pay for Israel.

    Our reps at the UN do not routinely defend atrocities committed by the governments of those countries. But our folks at the UN defend and excuse Israel’s crimes and violations of international law.

    The countries you mention do not have lobbying operations and friends in the USA which distort US foreign policy for their benefit. The US supports Israel’s outrageous behavior and is thus the target of Islamic terrorists. And we continue to fight wars for Israel, Syria and Iran being the next targets-justifications being ginned up by Israel and its supporters and lobbyists here.

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    Our tax dollars don’t pay for what goes on in the Congo, the Sudans, ...
     
    Actually, our tax dollars (aka development aid) do pay for a good chunk of what goes on in sub-Saharan Africa.

    Our reps at the UN do not routinely defend atrocities committed by the governments of those countries.
     
    That's because the UN gives Third World hellholes a pass on human rights while the savages indulge in endless, Third-World style palavers about "human rights" in one particular country.
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  131. iffen says:
    @Lot

    almost as if they are prepped and organized to regurgitate the official Israel point of view
     
    I just give my opinion. Your readership is too small and too full of basement dwelling nutbars to get official Hasbara trolls. What do you think about those Codoh links they keep posting?

    What do you think about those Codoh links they keep posting?

    Invitation? Opportunity? Enablement? Acquiescence? Exposure?

    Wait! Wait! I know! Sincere commitment to free speech, free thought and inquiry.

    A sacred search for The Truth, wink, wink, winkety wink.

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  132. Art says:
    @Sam Shama
    Please don't write nonsense in response to my posts. You consider your reading of the Torah the last word by which all Jews should live.

    No; both the G'd idea and the various interpretations of the Torah, while they change at the subconscious level, actually need to change at the conscious level. You sabotage yourself when clinging to some minority interpretation you've created for yourself, wholly dispensing with all the reliable scientific knowledge we've gained. I won't have any truck with that.

    Where and when precisely did the Rambam call for the elimination of Palestinians? Can you reference the source?

    No; both the G’d idea and the various interpretations of the Torah, while they change at the subconscious level, actually need to change at the conscious level. You sabotage yourself when clinging to some minority interpretation you’ve created for yourself, wholly dispensing with all the reliable scientific knowledge we’ve gained.

    Oh my – more Jew pretensions of goodness – what a boat load of gobbledygook and intentional disinformation.

    You can see the Torah in action every day – just look at Israel – a nation of squatters and militaristic thugs.

    Apartheid, check-points, torture, preventive detention, summary killings, shooting children who throw rocks, a 1,500,000-open-air prison, and hidden nukes. And those are just the obvious evils.

    Jews live the Torah in Israel – and look at what it produces – shame – shame – shame!

    Peace — Art

    p.s. All this talk of subconscious and conscious and science about the Torah is pseudo-intellectual garbage. The man who writes that nonsense, is a sad little person with an overactive ego.

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  133. Eagle Eye says:
    @Art
    What Barghouti and his ilk REALLY want is a Final Solution without a single Jew, not a “two-state solution.”

    What self-respecting human being would not feel as Barghouti does?

    Jews bring hate to themselves.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Squatters have no rights.

    [Eagle Eye:] What Barghouti and his ilk REALLY want is a Final Solution without a single Jew, not a “two-state solution.”

    [Art responds:] What self-respecting human being would not feel as Barghouti does?

    Thank you for the honest reply.

    This is what the sober portion of Israel’s body politic is faced with. This is why a two-state “solution” would be suicide, no matter what safeguards are solemnly recited on parchment.

    Deals with Muslims are like shooting stars or Instagram pictures – they sparkle for one bright and shiny moment, then disappear never to be seen again.

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    [Eagle Eye:] What Barghouti and his ilk REALLY want is a Final Solution without a single Jew, not a “two-state solution.”

    [Art responds:] What self-respecting human being would not feel as Barghouti does?

     

    Thank you for the honest reply.

    This is what the sober portion of Israel’s body politic is faced with. This is why a two-state “solution” would be suicide, no matter what safeguards are solemnly recited on parchment.
     
    How does this work – you steal my land – then you say, “there is no recourse to you because you are so mad at me.”

    You say, “after we abused and treated you so badly and because you are so disgruntled, you may never have the normal freedoms and benefits of being part of a nation of your own.”

    When are you Jews going to accept responsibility for the wrong that you have so obviously done?

    Peace --- Art
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  134. @Sam Shama
    Well, I agree with you, perhaps better to have not responded.

    But Begin was considered a terrorist by the Crown, and he did inflict severe damage to British assets. But they were all non-civilian targets. So Pals bring suicide bombers to nightclubs, weddings and shopping malls while Israel responds by annihilating Hamas' military positions. Where people arguing the Pal position run into trouble, is when they demand Israel not enforce laws. It is irrelevant to me whether the Barghoutis consider those laws null and void; yet I require they do so while understanding the consequences, which are well-defined.

    All Arab states have more or less washed their hands clean of the Palestinian question. They kept the 'cause' alive as long as it suited their domestic political agenda.

    BTW, here's the video of Barghouti sneaking chocolate in his prison cell, while on 'hunger strike' which he had previously announced on the NYTimes.

    https://youtu.be/3TknOt_GSkQ

    I feel so sorry for poor Sam Shama, single-handedly fighting the good fight, defending the Jewish version of truth, justice and the zionist way. With nothing to support and sustain him but his Viennese elitist pedigree, his European education, his PhD, his Wall Street career, his participation in ‘reparations payments’ and political cover to his tribe, which tribe enjoys the military, financial and political backing of the world’s most deluded superpower; his membership in the Chosens, — in other words, just this side of bare-knuckes, Sam maintains righteously that Barghouti deserves everything he’s suffering

    because

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881768

    because

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1882033

    because

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1882248

    because

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1883349

    because

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1883479

    because

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1883482

    because

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1883575

    CHOCOLATE!

    Guilty as charged!

    Into the oven with you, Barghouti.

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    A valiant effort to whitewash the record of a convicted murderer.

    The chocolate-in-the-loo affair clearly provides a peek into Barghouti's duplicitous nature, neglecting the list of over 30 cases of massacre, committed primarily by suicide bombers, paid and directed by Barghouti during the 2nd Intifada. Convicted only in 5 of the 33 for lack of evidence, his image is airbrushed of the infamy he deserves in the least, for the slaughter school children in buses.

    It should not require saying the man is a wily operative, politically savvy and always resourceful with support from his gullible western bleeders. This whole theatre about mistreatment in Israeli gaols is nothing more than a stunt to gain in absentia, the leading slot in PA polls.

    [he should be treated to a week in a Turkish prison https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-10-19/torture-and-abuse-rampant-turkish-prisons-despite-attempts-reform]
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  135. Sam Shama says:
    @Art

    So Pals bring suicide bombers to nightclubs, weddings and shopping malls while Israel responds by annihilating Hamas’ military positions. Where people arguing the Pal position run into trouble, is when they demand Israel not enforce laws.
     
    This Jew knows that the pain inflected on the Palestinians is a hundred times what the Palestinians have done to the Jews.

    This man marks himself as a liar and propagandist. He uses his brain to thwart justice and peace. What a sad little man.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Jew law is the law of the tribal jungle - the only outlet the Palestinians have is physical.

    p.s. Palestinians did not have a hand in making those laws.

    Art how lovely to see you again. Missed your endearing little posts of late. I trust you are drinking salt water exclusively over all other potables?

    No pork and beans either, and certainly not chocolate bars.

    Conflict – Sam

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    Don't tease Art about his PORK and beans.

    This is his favorite meal.

    With Trump's proposed budget cuts he will no longer get free government issued cans of PORK and beans.

    He will have to rummage through trash cans for food.
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  136. Heymrguda says:
    @Rurik

    Humans are humans, not the messiah responsible for every so called ‘wrong’ on the planet. We are designed to care about our immediate contacts, not people living on the other side of the world.

    ... Into this melee come whinging Western do-gooders, complaining people are killing one another
     
    well, speaking about whinging, since I've been alive, I've been subjected to a barrage of whinging the likes of which would fill a thousand galaxies.

    the narrative of the evil Nazi and the hysterical histrionics of their messianic suffering- has permeated every facet of my existence until it has become codified into the matrix of the Western 'reality'. Holocaust here, Holocaust there. Holocaust everywhere! The seminal event in the history of the world ! Nothing come close to what they suffered.

    The evil of the Nazis defines every questionable motive on earth. Adolf Hitler has become the modern Satan, only far, far worse.

    Ask any person living in the Western world who were the most evil, evil, evil people that ever lived? And we all know the answer, don't we?

    ask anyone who the most EVIL man that ever lived was in the history of the universe. And yep, that's right. We all know, instinctively, intuitively, like a catechism hammered in with Pavlovian determination and relentless, endless repetition. Our suffering!!!!

    Yea, talk to me about whinging all you want to, but if you're alive today, you've probably seen about three thousand Holocaust/evil Nazi movies in your lifetime, and many, many more to come.

    So then that brings us to the issue of hypocrisy vis-a-vis the Palestinian question, doesn't it?

    If the most evil people in the history of the world, that ever lived and whose descendants must be reminded of their evil every single day... because they tried to ethnically cleanse / or genocide, (depending on the narrative that suits you) a race of people out of their lands...

    and if doing so was the most EVIL and monstrous and unforgiveable thing that has ever, ever, ever been done.....

    then how is it that we Americans are supposed to sanguinely stand by as our tax dollars and moral sanction are used to perpetrate an even less justifiable ethnic cleansing today, after we've been so thoroughly harangued and berated and screeched at our entire lives, that genocide is not only wrong, but the worst thing on this planet that anyone could be party to?

    Eh?

    Are we to believe that the only reason that the Holocaust was the most EVIL thing that ever happened since the beginning of time, is because it was done to the chosen people?

    and that if such a state of affairs is reversed, and it's the chosen people who are perpetrating the genocide, that we should all cheer, or at least stop whinging about it?

    pop the cap on a beer and turn on the game and pay our taxes and chew our cud?

    wow honey, it's another Holocaust, evil Nazi show on TV! That's the third one today. Get the nachos and put the Budweiser in the fridge, it looks like Meryl Streep and Liam Neeson are in this one and it's directed by Stephan Spielberg!

    Yeah, it’s always fun to review Netflix’s newest offerings to see what new hocaust/nazi stuff has been added. I have this game I play with my wife where I predict which will focus on the nazis. Am almost always right — anything that shows people in 1940s fashions is a dead giveaway. It’s reached the point where it’s kind of comical.

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    It’s reached the point where it’s kind of comical.
     
    yes, except most people are very much effected by it all.

    Most people consider what's on television as more 'real' than what's not
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  137. Art says:
    @Eagle Eye

    [Eagle Eye:] What Barghouti and his ilk REALLY want is a Final Solution without a single Jew, not a “two-state solution.”

    [Art responds:] What self-respecting human being would not feel as Barghouti does?

     
    Thank you for the honest reply.

    This is what the sober portion of Israel's body politic is faced with. This is why a two-state "solution" would be suicide, no matter what safeguards are solemnly recited on parchment.

    Deals with Muslims are like shooting stars or Instagram pictures - they sparkle for one bright and shiny moment, then disappear never to be seen again.

    [Eagle Eye:] What Barghouti and his ilk REALLY want is a Final Solution without a single Jew, not a “two-state solution.”

    [Art responds:] What self-respecting human being would not feel as Barghouti does?

    Thank you for the honest reply.

    This is what the sober portion of Israel’s body politic is faced with. This is why a two-state “solution” would be suicide, no matter what safeguards are solemnly recited on parchment.

    How does this work – you steal my land – then you say, “there is no recourse to you because you are so mad at me.”

    You say, “after we abused and treated you so badly and because you are so disgruntled, you may never have the normal freedoms and benefits of being part of a nation of your own.”

    When are you Jews going to accept responsibility for the wrong that you have so obviously done?

    Peace — Art

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  138. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    I feel so sorry for poor Sam Shama, single-handedly fighting the good fight, defending the Jewish version of truth, justice and the zionist way. With nothing to support and sustain him but his Viennese elitist pedigree, his European education, his PhD, his Wall Street career, his participation in 'reparations payments' and political cover to his tribe, which tribe enjoys the military, financial and political backing of the world's most deluded superpower; his membership in the Chosens, -- in other words, just this side of bare-knuckes, Sam maintains righteously that Barghouti deserves everything he's suffering

    because
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1881768

    because
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1882033

    because
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1882248

    because
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1883349

    because
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1883479

    because
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1883482

    because
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/hunger-striking-for-palestinian-rights/#comment-1883575


    CHOCOLATE!

    Guilty as charged!

    Into the oven with you, Barghouti.

    A valiant effort to whitewash the record of a convicted murderer.

    The chocolate-in-the-loo affair clearly provides a peek into Barghouti’s duplicitous nature, neglecting the list of over 30 cases of massacre, committed primarily by suicide bombers, paid and directed by Barghouti during the 2nd Intifada. Convicted only in 5 of the 33 for lack of evidence, his image is airbrushed of the infamy he deserves in the least, for the slaughter school children in buses.

    It should not require saying the man is a wily operative, politically savvy and always resourceful with support from his gullible western bleeders. This whole theatre about mistreatment in Israeli gaols is nothing more than a stunt to gain in absentia, the leading slot in PA polls.

    [he should be treated to a week in a Turkish prison @Art

    [he should be treated to a week in a Turkish prison

    Oh my – the Jew claims to be better than the worst. Give him a ribbon!

    How is it that the Jew is always second from the bottom?

    An aside:

    In the current upside-down Jew Western world – little 8-year-old little girls go to concerts were the entertainment is a perverse example of womanhood, who shows off her body parts in provocative twerks. The little girl gets to yell and scream for two hours before she is murdered by an enemy of the Jews.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. In the Christian West, for the previous 145 years, she went to Barnum & Baily circuses with her family. She was in danger of eating too much cotton candy.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    You're becoming a bore, Sam.

    Wake me when you've received new talking points.

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  • Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    um...Marwan was recently busted eating candy in the bathroom as part of his "hunger strike".

    Go get a life Giraldi

    That is funny. LOL.

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  • geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    There are no contradictions. Of course, Begin et al were considered terrorists by the British authority, according to the law in effect at the time.

    Barghouti, according to the sovereign law in effect today. But he is both a terrorist and a poseur who fancies himself the new M.K. Gandhi; except Gandhi did not sneak chocolate bars during his many hunger strikes, let alone order the murder of children in school buses.

    But [Barghouti] is both a terrorist and a poseur who fancies himself the new M.K. Gandhi; except Gandhi did not sneak chocolate bars during his many hunger strikes, let alone order the murder of children in school buses.

    I couldn’t agree more, Sam. Anyone who wants to murder innocent children is definitely a terrorist in my books. Which brings me to the death of the 500,000 innocent Iraqi children. You remember them, don’t you, Sam? The ones that US Amassador to UN Madeleine Jana Korbel Albright (born Marie Jana Korbelová), when 60 Minutes’ Lesley Stahl put the following question to her: “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?” replied, “We think the price is worth it.”

    Who’s responsible for the deaths of those half a million innocent children, Sam? Are you willing to provide as honest an answer as Ms. Korbelová provided to Lesley Stahl?

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    Anyone who wants to murder innocent children is definitely a terrorist in my books.

    You haven't addressed the question of whether the hero of this post murdered children.
    , @Sam Shama
    [Who’s responsible for the deaths of those half a million innocent children, Sam? ]

    I get the feeling you are about to tell me. So do tell me. But wait, let me take a wild guess: Jews!
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Giraldi notes that "1500 Palestinians are held in Israeli prisons," some of them for life; some of them since their childhood, some of them denied the right to see their parents.

    But American legislators froth at the mouth at the "human rights abuses" committed by Iran's government.

    One begins to think US Congressmen get a hard on just contemplating imposing sanctions on Iran.

    Five years ago Nima Shirazi wrote about the "Inhumanity of Iran Threat Rhetoric" here:
    "Hurting, Hanging, Suffocating, and Starving"
    http://www.wideasleepinamerica.com/2012/03/inhumanity-of-iran-threat-rhetoric.html

    A few days ago, the estimable Sanam Naraghi-Anderlini spoke on a NIAC panel about the election in Iran. Once again, the topic of the need to punish Iran for its "human rights abuses" was raised.

    Anderlini said: SANCTIONS WERE THE GREATEST HUMAN RIGHTS ATTACK ON THE AVERAGE IRANIAN OVER THE YEARS. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT BABIES AND PREGNANT WOMEN AND PEOPLE WITH CANCER, AND ALL THE ISSUES WE WERE FACED WITH, FOR US, FOR THE WORLD TO SIT HERE IN THE SECRETARY OF STATE TO TALK ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS IN IRAN AND NOT ADDRESSED THIS ASPECT OF IT IS HYPOCRISY. WE HAVE TO PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?428820-1/forum-analyzes-iranian-presidential-election-results
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  • Art says:
    @Sam Shama
    A valiant effort to whitewash the record of a convicted murderer.

    The chocolate-in-the-loo affair clearly provides a peek into Barghouti's duplicitous nature, neglecting the list of over 30 cases of massacre, committed primarily by suicide bombers, paid and directed by Barghouti during the 2nd Intifada. Convicted only in 5 of the 33 for lack of evidence, his image is airbrushed of the infamy he deserves in the least, for the slaughter school children in buses.

    It should not require saying the man is a wily operative, politically savvy and always resourceful with support from his gullible western bleeders. This whole theatre about mistreatment in Israeli gaols is nothing more than a stunt to gain in absentia, the leading slot in PA polls.

    [he should be treated to a week in a Turkish prison https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-10-19/torture-and-abuse-rampant-turkish-prisons-despite-attempts-reform]

    [he should be treated to a week in a Turkish prison

    Oh my – the Jew claims to be better than the worst. Give him a ribbon!

    How is it that the Jew is always second from the bottom?

    An aside:

    In the current upside-down Jew Western world – little 8-year-old little girls go to concerts were the entertainment is a perverse example of womanhood, who shows off her body parts in provocative twerks. The little girl gets to yell and scream for two hours before she is murdered by an enemy of the Jews.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. In the Christian West, for the previous 145 years, she went to Barnum & Baily circuses with her family. She was in danger of eating too much cotton candy.

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    You are mentally disturbed, you really are. Seek help.
    , @Sam Shama
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/prison-conditions/

    What on earth were you trying to get at with your 'aside'?
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  • iffen says:
    @geokat62

    But [Barghouti] is both a terrorist and a poseur who fancies himself the new M.K. Gandhi; except Gandhi did not sneak chocolate bars during his many hunger strikes, let alone order the murder of children in school buses.
     
    I couldn't agree more, Sam. Anyone who wants to murder innocent children is definitely a terrorist in my books. Which brings me to the death of the 500,000 innocent Iraqi children. You remember them, don't you, Sam? The ones that US Amassador to UN Madeleine Jana Korbel Albright (born Marie Jana Korbelová), when 60 Minutes' Lesley Stahl put the following question to her: "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?" replied, "We think the price is worth it."

    Who's responsible for the deaths of those half a million innocent children, Sam? Are you willing to provide as honest an answer as Ms. Korbelová provided to Lesley Stahl?

    Anyone who wants to murder innocent children is definitely a terrorist in my books.

    You haven’t addressed the question of whether the hero of this post murdered children.

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  • Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Art
    [he should be treated to a week in a Turkish prison

    Oh my – the Jew claims to be better than the worst. Give him a ribbon!

    How is it that the Jew is always second from the bottom?

    An aside:

    In the current upside-down Jew Western world – little 8-year-old little girls go to concerts were the entertainment is a perverse example of womanhood, who shows off her body parts in provocative twerks. The little girl gets to yell and scream for two hours before she is murdered by an enemy of the Jews.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. In the Christian West, for the previous 145 years, she went to Barnum & Baily circuses with her family. She was in danger of eating too much cotton candy.

    You are mentally disturbed, you really are. Seek help.

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  • Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    But [Barghouti] is both a terrorist and a poseur who fancies himself the new M.K. Gandhi; except Gandhi did not sneak chocolate bars during his many hunger strikes, let alone order the murder of children in school buses.
     
    I couldn't agree more, Sam. Anyone who wants to murder innocent children is definitely a terrorist in my books. Which brings me to the death of the 500,000 innocent Iraqi children. You remember them, don't you, Sam? The ones that US Amassador to UN Madeleine Jana Korbel Albright (born Marie Jana Korbelová), when 60 Minutes' Lesley Stahl put the following question to her: "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?" replied, "We think the price is worth it."

    Who's responsible for the deaths of those half a million innocent children, Sam? Are you willing to provide as honest an answer as Ms. Korbelová provided to Lesley Stahl?

    [Who’s responsible for the deaths of those half a million innocent children, Sam? ]

    I get the feeling you are about to tell me. So do tell me. But wait, let me take a wild guess: Jews!

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    I get the feeling you are about to tell me. So do tell me. But wait, let me take a wild guess: Jews!
     
    Thanks to Philip Weiss, we all got a glimpse into the machinations of The Lobby in perpetrating this dastardly deed:

    Though AIPAC wants to deny it now, it lobbied for the Iraq war. And CAP is participating in a coverup.

    Here’s the data:

    Back in 2000, AIPAC specifically worked to ramp up sanctions on Iraq because of its “weapons of mass destruction.” Remember them? In March 2000, AIPAC circulated an Action Alert to Congress, urging its members to put pressure on Congress to pressure the Clinton administration.

    If sanctions were lifted, Saddam could spend the oil revenue to accelerate Iraq’s military programs rather than on the humanitarian needs of Iraqi citizens.

    It is essential that you contact your representative today and urge them to sign the letter to President Clinton:
     
    Very similar to the Iran sanctions AIPAC pushed last summer.

    Then in April 2003, according to JWeekly, AIPAC rose up against a congressional effort led by California Republican Tom Campbell, then taking on Dianne Feinstein in a Senate race, to weaken those sanctions:

    The military threat from Iraq is a major concern of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which favors retaining economic sanctions.

    “Lifting sanctions wouldn’t benefit the Iraqi people,” said Amy Friedkin, an AIPAC national vice president who lives in San Francisco. Rather, it would enable Saddam to obtain more oil money, and use it to amass more weapons. That would constitute a danger to the rest of the Middle East and the world, she added…

    Campbell and his allies are now rallying behind H.R. 3825, legislation by Rep. John Conyers, Jr. (D-Mich.) that would allow U.S. companies to export food and medicine to Iraq outside of the U.N. oil-for-food program. Campbell and Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-San Jose) are among the bill’s co-sponsors.

    Friedkin said AIPAC opposes the bill, although the organization recognizes the sponsors’ “very compassionate reasons” for proposing it.

    Elliot Brandt, AIPAC’s Pacific Northwest regional director, said: “AIPAC has no desire to hurt the people of Iraq, but we have a vested interest in hurting Saddam Hussein’s ability to build weapons of mass destruction. Rather than blaming the sanctions for hurting the people of Iraq, we should be putting the blame on Saddam Hussein, who is cynically and cruelly using his people as a political card to generate sympathy and support.”
     
    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2012/02/the-iraq-war-coverup-what-did-aipac-do-and-when-did-it-do-it/#sthash.XKSbwOxM.dpuf
     
    Half a million innocent children, Sam. Does this not qualify The Lobby as terrorists, according to your definition?
    , @L.K
    @geokat62
    [Who’s responsible for the deaths of those half a million innocent children, Sam? ]

    Shameless: 'I get the feeling you are about to tell me. So do tell me. But wait, let me take a wild guess: Jews!'

    No, not 'Jews' but Zionist vermin such as yourself.
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  • Sam Shama says:
    @Art
    [he should be treated to a week in a Turkish prison

    Oh my – the Jew claims to be better than the worst. Give him a ribbon!

    How is it that the Jew is always second from the bottom?

    An aside:

    In the current upside-down Jew Western world – little 8-year-old little girls go to concerts were the entertainment is a perverse example of womanhood, who shows off her body parts in provocative twerks. The little girl gets to yell and scream for two hours before she is murdered by an enemy of the Jews.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. In the Christian West, for the previous 145 years, she went to Barnum & Baily circuses with her family. She was in danger of eating too much cotton candy.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/prison-conditions/

    What on earth were you trying to get at with your ‘aside’?

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  • @Sam Shama
    A valiant effort to whitewash the record of a convicted murderer.

    The chocolate-in-the-loo affair clearly provides a peek into Barghouti's duplicitous nature, neglecting the list of over 30 cases of massacre, committed primarily by suicide bombers, paid and directed by Barghouti during the 2nd Intifada. Convicted only in 5 of the 33 for lack of evidence, his image is airbrushed of the infamy he deserves in the least, for the slaughter school children in buses.

    It should not require saying the man is a wily operative, politically savvy and always resourceful with support from his gullible western bleeders. This whole theatre about mistreatment in Israeli gaols is nothing more than a stunt to gain in absentia, the leading slot in PA polls.

    [he should be treated to a week in a Turkish prison https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-10-19/torture-and-abuse-rampant-turkish-prisons-despite-attempts-reform]

    You’re becoming a bore, Sam.

    Wake me when you’ve received new talking points.

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    Aye, your slumbers are famed for their deeply meditative and supernatural revelations. I dare not disturb that state.
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  • @Anon
    um...Marwan was recently busted eating candy in the bathroom as part of his "hunger strike".

    Go get a life Giraldi

    Marwan was recently busted eating candy in the bathroom as part of his “hunger strike”.

    Irene Weisberg Zisblatt ate diamonds — after she’d pooped them. For four years.

    It would be tasteless to use the word “chocolate” in this comment.

    Strange but True (?) Tales of the holocaust: ” I was sent to the Gas Chamber but it was full!”
    or, “I was on my way into the gas chamber when Mengele pulled me out,”
    or, “Maybe it was god that pulled me out of the gas chamber,”

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    "Strange but True (?) Tales of the holocaust: ” I was sent to the Gas Chamber but it was full!”
    That's up there with "My grandparents escaped Belsen by knitting a hot air balloon out of fellow inmates belly button lint".
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  • geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    [Who’s responsible for the deaths of those half a million innocent children, Sam? ]

    I get the feeling you are about to tell me. So do tell me. But wait, let me take a wild guess: Jews!

    I get the feeling you are about to tell me. So do tell me. But wait, let me take a wild guess: Jews!

    Thanks to Philip Weiss, we all got a glimpse into the machinations of The Lobby in perpetrating this dastardly deed:

    Though AIPAC wants to deny it now, it lobbied for the Iraq war. And CAP is participating in a coverup.

    Here’s the data:

    Back in 2000, AIPAC specifically worked to ramp up sanctions on Iraq because of its “weapons of mass destruction.” Remember them? In March 2000, AIPAC circulated an Action Alert to Congress, urging its members to put pressure on Congress to pressure the Clinton administration.

    If sanctions were lifted, Saddam could spend the oil revenue to accelerate Iraq’s military programs rather than on the humanitarian needs of Iraqi citizens.

    It is essential that you contact your representative today and urge them to sign the letter to President Clinton:

    Very similar to the Iran sanctions AIPAC pushed last summer.

    Then in April 2003, according to JWeekly, AIPAC rose up against a congressional effort led by California Republican Tom Campbell, then taking on Dianne Feinstein in a Senate race, to weaken those sanctions:

    The military threat from Iraq is a major concern of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which favors retaining economic sanctions.

    “Lifting sanctions wouldn’t benefit the Iraqi people,” said Amy Friedkin, an AIPAC national vice president who lives in San Francisco. Rather, it would enable Saddam to obtain more oil money, and use it to amass more weapons. That would constitute a danger to the rest of the Middle East and the world, she added…

    Campbell and his allies are now rallying behind H.R. 3825, legislation by Rep. John Conyers, Jr. (D-Mich.) that would allow U.S. companies to export food and medicine to Iraq outside of the U.N. oil-for-food program. Campbell and Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-San Jose) are among the bill’s co-sponsors.

    Friedkin said AIPAC opposes the bill, although the organization recognizes the sponsors’ “very compassionate reasons” for proposing it.

    Elliot Brandt, AIPAC’s Pacific Northwest regional director, said: “AIPAC has no desire to hurt the people of Iraq, but we have a vested interest in hurting Saddam Hussein’s ability to build weapons of mass destruction. Rather than blaming the sanctions for hurting the people of Iraq, we should be putting the blame on Saddam Hussein, who is cynically and cruelly using his people as a political card to generate sympathy and support.”

    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2012/02/the-iraq-war-coverup-what-did-aipac-do-and-when-did-it-do-it/#sthash.XKSbwOxM.dpuf

    Half a million innocent children, Sam. Does this not qualify The Lobby as terrorists, according to your definition?

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    Yes, a great tragedy and I deplore it. Allbright is a disgrace. But the Lobby, if they did anything remotely relevant to your charge, mistakenly like many others, fearing Iraq's possession of WMDs, backed sanctions against Saddam.

    Are you seriously asserting that Jewish members of AIPAC supported sanctions just so they could kill children? That they knew, in fact planned, the civil war which would ensue, leading to those casualties? So they are monsters with perfect foresight. Are you really that lost? I don't believe so.

    Tell me, did Phillip Weis, this bloke you are so fond of quoting know, back when Iraq II was on the cards, that a civil war would result and lead to mass casualties? If he did, had he then rung the alarm bells? If memory serves, this entire nation and its congress were beckoning the dogs of war.

    To compare Barghouti's deliberate, calculated, heinous plots to slaughter Israeli civilians to the lobbying efforts of AIPAC is to engage in a leap of equivalence the likes of which has not been witnessed since the time Rodrigo Borgia equated garotting his competition of the cloth to serving the Almighty!

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  • @geokat62

    But [Barghouti] is both a terrorist and a poseur who fancies himself the new M.K. Gandhi; except Gandhi did not sneak chocolate bars during his many hunger strikes, let alone order the murder of children in school buses.
     
    I couldn't agree more, Sam. Anyone who wants to murder innocent children is definitely a terrorist in my books. Which brings me to the death of the 500,000 innocent Iraqi children. You remember them, don't you, Sam? The ones that US Amassador to UN Madeleine Jana Korbel Albright (born Marie Jana Korbelová), when 60 Minutes' Lesley Stahl put the following question to her: "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?" replied, "We think the price is worth it."

    Who's responsible for the deaths of those half a million innocent children, Sam? Are you willing to provide as honest an answer as Ms. Korbelová provided to Lesley Stahl?

    Giraldi notes that “1500 Palestinians are held in Israeli prisons,” some of them for life; some of them since their childhood, some of them denied the right to see their parents.

    But American legislators froth at the mouth at the “human rights abuses” committed by Iran’s government.

    One begins to think US Congressmen get a hard on just contemplating imposing sanctions on Iran.

    Five years ago Nima Shirazi wrote about the “Inhumanity of Iran Threat Rhetoric” here:
    “Hurting, Hanging, Suffocating, and Starving”

    http://www.wideasleepinamerica.com/2012/03/inhumanity-of-iran-threat-rhetoric.html

    A few days ago, the estimable Sanam Naraghi-Anderlini spoke on a NIAC panel about the election in Iran. Once again, the topic of the need to punish Iran for its “human rights abuses” was raised.

    Anderlini said: SANCTIONS WERE THE GREATEST HUMAN RIGHTS ATTACK ON THE AVERAGE IRANIAN OVER THE YEARS. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT BABIES AND PREGNANT WOMEN AND PEOPLE WITH CANCER, AND ALL THE ISSUES WE WERE FACED WITH, FOR US, FOR THE WORLD TO SIT HERE IN THE SECRETARY OF STATE TO TALK ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS IN IRAN AND NOT ADDRESSED THIS ASPECT OF IT IS HYPOCRISY. WE HAVE TO PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?428820-1/forum-analyzes-iranian-presidential-election-results

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  • Eagle Eye says:
    @JoaoAlfaiate
    Our tax dollars don't pay for what goes on in the Congo, the Sudans, North Korea and the other places you mention. But we pay for Israel.

    Our reps at the UN do not routinely defend atrocities committed by the governments of those countries. But our folks at the UN defend and excuse Israel's crimes and violations of international law.

    The countries you mention do not have lobbying operations and friends in the USA which distort US foreign policy for their benefit. The US supports Israel's outrageous behavior and is thus the target of Islamic terrorists. And we continue to fight wars for Israel, Syria and Iran being the next targets-justifications being ginned up by Israel and its supporters and lobbyists here.

    Our tax dollars don’t pay for what goes on in the Congo, the Sudans, …

    Actually, our tax dollars (aka development aid) do pay for a good chunk of what goes on in sub-Saharan Africa.

    Our reps at the UN do not routinely defend atrocities committed by the governments of those countries.

    That’s because the UN gives Third World hellholes a pass on human rights while the savages indulge in endless, Third-World style palavers about “human rights” in one particular country.

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    If you can't muster a better response to me than that you are going to have to leave the Hasbara Office and return to the task of beating small Palestinian children and gassing their mothers.
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  • Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    I get the feeling you are about to tell me. So do tell me. But wait, let me take a wild guess: Jews!
     
    Thanks to Philip Weiss, we all got a glimpse into the machinations of The Lobby in perpetrating this dastardly deed:

    Though AIPAC wants to deny it now, it lobbied for the Iraq war. And CAP is participating in a coverup.

    Here’s the data:

    Back in 2000, AIPAC specifically worked to ramp up sanctions on Iraq because of its “weapons of mass destruction.” Remember them? In March 2000, AIPAC circulated an Action Alert to Congress, urging its members to put pressure on Congress to pressure the Clinton administration.

    If sanctions were lifted, Saddam could spend the oil revenue to accelerate Iraq’s military programs rather than on the humanitarian needs of Iraqi citizens.

    It is essential that you contact your representative today and urge them to sign the letter to President Clinton:
     
    Very similar to the Iran sanctions AIPAC pushed last summer.

    Then in April 2003, according to JWeekly, AIPAC rose up against a congressional effort led by California Republican Tom Campbell, then taking on Dianne Feinstein in a Senate race, to weaken those sanctions:

    The military threat from Iraq is a major concern of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which favors retaining economic sanctions.

    “Lifting sanctions wouldn’t benefit the Iraqi people,” said Amy Friedkin, an AIPAC national vice president who lives in San Francisco. Rather, it would enable Saddam to obtain more oil money, and use it to amass more weapons. That would constitute a danger to the rest of the Middle East and the world, she added…

    Campbell and his allies are now rallying behind H.R. 3825, legislation by Rep. John Conyers, Jr. (D-Mich.) that would allow U.S. companies to export food and medicine to Iraq outside of the U.N. oil-for-food program. Campbell and Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-San Jose) are among the bill’s co-sponsors.

    Friedkin said AIPAC opposes the bill, although the organization recognizes the sponsors’ “very compassionate reasons” for proposing it.

    Elliot Brandt, AIPAC’s Pacific Northwest regional director, said: “AIPAC has no desire to hurt the people of Iraq, but we have a vested interest in hurting Saddam Hussein’s ability to build weapons of mass destruction. Rather than blaming the sanctions for hurting the people of Iraq, we should be putting the blame on Saddam Hussein, who is cynically and cruelly using his people as a political card to generate sympathy and support.”
     
    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2012/02/the-iraq-war-coverup-what-did-aipac-do-and-when-did-it-do-it/#sthash.XKSbwOxM.dpuf
     
    Half a million innocent children, Sam. Does this not qualify The Lobby as terrorists, according to your definition?

    Yes, a great tragedy and I deplore it. Allbright is a disgrace. But the Lobby, if they did anything remotely relevant to your charge, mistakenly like many others, fearing Iraq’s possession of WMDs, backed sanctions against Saddam.

    Are you seriously asserting that Jewish members of AIPAC supported sanctions just so they could kill children? That they knew, in fact planned, the civil war which would ensue, leading to those casualties? So they are monsters with perfect foresight. Are you really that lost? I don’t believe so.

    Tell me, did Phillip Weis, this bloke you are so fond of quoting know, back when Iraq II was on the cards, that a civil war would result and lead to mass casualties? If he did, had he then rung the alarm bells? If memory serves, this entire nation and its congress were beckoning the dogs of war.

    To compare Barghouti’s deliberate, calculated, heinous plots to slaughter Israeli civilians to the lobbying efforts of AIPAC is to engage in a leap of equivalence the likes of which has not been witnessed since the time Rodrigo Borgia equated garotting his competition of the cloth to serving the Almighty!

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    That they knew, in fact planned, the civil war which would ensue, leading to those casualties?

    back when Iraq II was on the cards, that a civil war would result and lead to mass casualties?
     

    I'm very disappointed in you, Sam. For a person who prides himself on being very informed, I'm somewhat surprised that you think that the civil war caused the deaths of half a million innocent Iraqi children. These children had all died prior to Iraq II, Sam.

    Even the AIPAC official, I quoted above, acknowledged the impact the harsh economic sanctions were having:


    Friedkin said AIPAC opposes the bill, although the organization recognizes the sponsors’ “very compassionate reasons” for proposing it.
     
    The whole world was aware of the impact the brutal economic sanctions were having on the innocent children of Iraq. The consequences of the brutal sanctions were so evident that several UN officials resigned their positions in protest. And the Iraqi ambassador to the UN, Saeed Hasan, bluntly explained why: "People are resigning because they could no more be silent on the genocide which is taking place in Iraq.":

    Second official quits UN Iraq team

    The United Nations sanctions against Iraq suffered a new setback yesterday after another high-ranking official was reported to have resigned in protest at the suffering of the civilian population.
    European diplomats in Baghdad said the head of the UN World Food Programme in Iraq, Jutta Purghart, of Germany, had quit her post.

    Her move came 24 hours after the UN accepted the resignation of the humanitarian coordinator, Hans von Sponeck, who protested at the impact of the sanctions on the civilian population.

    The sanctions policy has been criticised by other international humanitarian organisations operating in Iraq. Mr von Sponeck's predecessor, Denis Halliday, resigned in 1998, also over the sanctions.

    Sanctions were imposed after the invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Six years later, amid public pressure, the UN softened its stance and allowed Iraq to export some oil in return for food and medicines.

    Ms Purghart had administered the distribution of food supplies in Iraq under the oil-for-food deal since taking up her post in January 1999.

    A European diplomat said Ms Purghart had written to the World Food Programme headquarters in Rome to say she could not continue in her job because she believed that sanctions were a failure and caused suffering. She was said to be critical of the recent British-inspired UN resolution that offered to ease sanctions in return for Iraq allowing in weapons inspectors...

    The French government said it could understand the motives behind Mr von Sponeck's resignation. Speaking before Ms Purghart quit, a foreign ministry spokeswoman, Anne Gazeau-Secret, said of Mr von Sponeck: "His evaluation of the humanitarian situation in Iraq corresponds to reality. Without question, it reflects the views of all observers of the situation on the ground."

    Meanwhile, the US and Britain have insisted that President Saddam could end the suffering by allowing entry to weapons inspectors. A British foreign office spokeswoman said: "We would focus on the the programme, not the individuals. We trust the [UN] secretary general to appoint worthy successors."

    The Iraqi ambassador to the UN, Saeed Hasan, said: "People are resigning because they could no more be silent on the genocide which is taking place in Iraq."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/feb/16/iraq.unitednations
     


    Are you seriously asserting that Jewish members of AIPAC supported sanctions just so they could kill children?
     
    Sam, the answer to that question is a fairly simple one: members of The Lobby supported sanctions so that the Shia and Kurds would rise up against Saddam and over through his regime. That half a million children had to be sacrificed to achieve this goal is a price they were willing to pay, as Ms. Korbelová unexpectedly revealed in a moment of brutal honesty... something, I'm sure, we will never see from you.
    , @SolontoCroesus

    Are you seriously asserting that Jewish members of AIPAC supported sanctions just so they could kill children? That they knew, in fact planned, the civil war which would ensue, leading to those casualties? So they are monsters with perfect foresight. Are you really that lost? I don’t believe so.
     

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4196885,00.html
    צילום: רויטרס
    Should West starve Iran?

    Israeli officials: Starve Iranians to stop nukes

    ". . .hunger in Iran could prompt regime to 'consider whether nuclear adventure is worthwhile', Jerusalem official says"
    Attila Somfalvi|Published: 29.02.12 , 20:18

    Iran's citizens should be starved in order to curb Tehran's nuclear program, officials in Jerusalem said Wednesday ahead of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's upcoming trip to Washington.

    "North Korea is halting its nuclear program in order to receive aid in food, and this is what should be done with Iran as well," one unnamed official said. [h/t Nima Shirazi, http://www.wideasleepinamerica.com/2012/03/inhumanity-of-iran-threat-rhetoric.html ]
     

    Five important points emerge from this brief article from a Jewish - Israeli newspaper:

    1. Jews have no problem calling for the starvation of other people's children; its a repeated pattern -- they did it to Germans, they collaborated to do it to Russians/Ukrainians, they are doing it to Palestinians (see ** below). Is this psychopathology part of the Israeli DNA: the mythology has become internalized -- spare the son of Abraham, kill the unblemished -- that is, innocent-- ram caught in the thicket, in order to enable Jews to collect on the promises of their psychopathic god.

    2. Jews call upon non-Jews -- i.e. "the West" -- to carry out their murderous endeavors, also a Jewish pattern of behavior.

    3. What is completely and totally outrageous and infuriating is the extent to which "Christian" and Catholic actors line up to suck Jewish balls to carry out their sub-human programs of sanctions and starvation. Ed Royce, nominally Roman Catholic, tops this list. This morning Francis Rooney, former ambassador to Vatican now Rep from Florida, bruited "Judeo-Christian values" -- a contradiction in terms -- and also endorsed increasing sanctions on Iran -- a contradiction of not only (allegedly) Christian values but also of the United Nations Charter/international law. Rooney endorsed the "small sale" of weapons to KSA to assist the Saudis in their campaign of starving Houthis, who are (minimally) supported by Iran.

    4. Starving other nations to force submission to Jewish / Western demands does not work: North Korea did NOT halt its nuclear program.

    5. So enthralled to this psychopathic behavior are Jews and the non-Jews who have been seduced, Faust-like, to that dark side, that they have rendered themselves incapable of behaving within truly civilized norms. Kevin MacDonald explored this phenomenon here:
    The Psychology of Prohibiting Outside Thinkers
    http://www.unz.com/article/justin-murphys-the-psychology-of-prohibiting-outside-thinkers/

    ---
    **


    "In 2006, after Palestinians democratically elected Hamas to the shock and chagrin of both Israel and the United States . . . a devastating economic siege was imposed on the 1.5 million residents of Gaza by Israel as punishment for the crime of Palestinian self-determination. As Dov Weisglass, adviser to then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, said with a chuckle, "It's like an appointment with a dietitian. The Palestinians in Gaza will get a lot thinner, but won't die."

    What's so obviously funny about Weisglass' statement is that, due to the brutal blockade that has deliberately strangled Gaza for six years, at least 61% of Palestinians in the territory are "food insecure," of which "65% are children under 18 years;" the level of anemia in infants is as high as 65.5%, about 70% of Palestinians in Gaza live on less than $1 a day, over 80% rely on food aid, and 60% have no daily access to water, 95% of which is undrinkable anyway." Shirazi, op cit.
     

    Shove your chocolate fixation up your ass, Shama; maybe it will emerge as diamonds you can use to try to buy your way out of hell.
    , @L.K
    It's amazing how many lies you can produce in just one miserable post... but then again, you have been caught lying numerous times by several people. Pinocchio would blush near you.

    Sham: "But the Lobby, if they did anything remotely relevant to your charge, mistakenly like many others, fearing Iraq’s possession of WMDs, backed sanctions against Saddam."

    There were NO mistakes, imbecile, the WMD thing was merely a prop to justify the sanctions which, in turn, aimed at regime-change, by punishing the civilian population, and deaths were expected.

    After years of draconian sanctions( a form of terrorism ), your heroes used their well documented influence to get ZUSA to invade Iraq, causing all of the mess we see today.
    The forced war on Syria is also, at heart, a Zionist affair, as former CIA Ray McGovern stated, one cannot make sense of US policy re Syria without Israel.
    It is all part of the “We’re going to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran..”
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  • Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    You're becoming a bore, Sam.

    Wake me when you've received new talking points.

    Aye, your slumbers are famed for their deeply meditative and supernatural revelations. I dare not disturb that state.

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  • L.K says:
    @Sam Shama
    [Who’s responsible for the deaths of those half a million innocent children, Sam? ]

    I get the feeling you are about to tell me. So do tell me. But wait, let me take a wild guess: Jews!


    [Who’s responsible for the deaths of those half a million innocent children, Sam? ]

    Shameless: ‘I get the feeling you are about to tell me. So do tell me. But wait, let me take a wild guess: Jews!’

    No, not ‘Jews’ but Zionist vermin such as yourself.

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  • Lot says:
    @JoaoAlfaiate
    "...the Ottomans were defeated again and again not just by Russians, but by under-supplied and disorganized Greek and Slav peasant armies. "

    Perhaps Lot missed the Gallipoli Campaign (Feb, 1915-Jan, 1916) in which 316,000 Ottoman troops defeated a combined force of Brits, Aussies, French and New Zealanders totalling some 490,000 men. Many of the Ottoman soldiers were Arabs who had been ordered out of greater Syria in 1914 to forestall a mutiny.

    And Lot missed the siege of Kut in Mesopotamia where in April of 1916 an Anglo Indian force under Gen. Townsend surrender to the Ottomans.

    And in April and March of 1917 the British under Archibald Murray were defeated in the First and Second Battles of Gaza. Notably the Brit used poison gas against the Turks, the first use of gas in the Middle East.

    I guess when you are trashing a whole people for "lack of honor and morality", facts just aren't important.

    Ottoman troops defeated a combined force….

    And what was the outcome of the war in which that battle took place for the Ottoman Empire? Spoiler: The end of the Ottoman Empire.

    Anyway you missed my point. The Ottomans, even as their empire was collapsing, had no trouble keeping the Arabs under their boot.

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    From Lot: "And what was the outcome of the war in which that battle took place for the Ottoman Empire? Spoiler: The end of the Ottoman Empire."

    So what? WWI was also the end of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Russian Empire and Imperial Germany as well as the Ottoman Empire.


    From Lot: "The Ottomans, even as their empire was collapsing, had no trouble keeping the Arabs under their boot."

    Again, so what? the Poles couldn't free themselves from the Russians, nor could the Balts, Finns, Ukrainians, etc., etc. The Czechs, Slovaks and other central European minorities were ruled by the Habsburgs before WWI too.
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  • Lot says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Which war do you say "The Palestinians'" started?
    Don't you have a problem with that script, given that Israelis keep on saying that there was (and usually say "is" despite some conceding that Israel changed everything in1967) no Palestinian people?
    In 1967 it was admitted to be a preemptive war by Israel against Jordan, Syria and Egypt so I am really at a loss to know what you are trying to say.

    Which war do you say “The Palestinians’” started?

    The first Arab-Israeli War.

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    1948 then? So there was a Palestinian people then?

    An Israeli Uber driver would disagree with you. When I proffered the thought that there was now a Palestinian people created by Israel from 1948 he siad no, it was 1967!

    In fact the discusiion of Palestiniàn non-existence as a people is full of cheap points. All Palestinians would have spoken Arabic. Amongst Jewish immigrants to Israel/Palestine the ethnicities and language groups would have been much more mixed and - less important perhaps - the genetic ancestries would have shown differences greater than any to appear in significant numbers amongst the Palestinians.
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  • @SolontoCroesus

    Marwan was recently busted eating candy in the bathroom as part of his “hunger strike”.
     
    Irene Weisberg Zisblatt ate diamonds -- after she'd pooped them. For four years.

    It would be tasteless to use the word "chocolate" in this comment.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhFN8Bb202I


    Strange but True (?) Tales of the holocaust: " I was sent to the Gas Chamber but it was full!"
    or, "I was on my way into the gas chamber when Mengele pulled me out,"
    or, "Maybe it was god that pulled me out of the gas chamber,"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wAbjUqHTNA

    “Strange but True (?) Tales of the holocaust: ” I was sent to the Gas Chamber but it was full!”
    That’s up there with “My grandparents escaped Belsen by knitting a hot air balloon out of fellow inmates belly button lint”.

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  • Karl says:
    @Jake
    It is no mistake, no accident that the New Testament was written not in Hebrew, nor in Aramaic, but in Greek. That is the most important clue about how Christian churches are to operate starting with Scripture and running to the nuts and bolts of how you build and maintain a Christian culture, which necessarily will resist both wings of Semitism. It starts with Greek, the language of philosophy.

    Christianity not operating with European language and European values will degenerate into a farce of anti-intellectualism that bows to Semitism. Specifically, those European languages must be bound to, and proudly, the languages and cultural achievements of Hellenism: namely, Greek and Latin.

    Here is my warning about Germanic languages, such as English. Arabic is the only standard language of the Koran. Islam makes cultural Semites of its adherents with Arabic and resulting immersion into Arabic culture.

    Jews only recreated Hebrew within the last century and a quarter. Yes, Hebrew was the language that Jews used, and still use, to promote the Jewish form of Semitism, which is most obvious in religion. But until very recently vernacular that swerved that purpose was Yiddish. Yiddish is German, with a small handful of Hebraisms. Yiddish is the Jewish dialect of German. Jews in Poland and Lithuania and Russia and Hungary, as well as in German speaking countries, all used Yiddish. French Jews used Yiddish. Jews expelled from Spain picked up Yiddish immediately and never looked back.

    Jews for more than a thousand years have seen German as the vernacular by which they can can keep their own culturally Semitic, and perhaps bring in a few Europeans.

    Now, Jews worldwide are dropping Yiddish for English.

    67 Jake > the New Testament was written not in Hebrew, nor in Aramaic, but in Greek.

    try selling that song-and-dance to the Coptic Christians

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    Which war do you say “The Palestinians’” started?
     
    The first Arab-Israeli War.

    1948 then? So there was a Palestinian people then?

    An Israeli Uber driver would disagree with you. When I proffered the thought that there was now a Palestinian people created by Israel from 1948 he siad no, it was 1967!

    In fact the discusiion of Palestiniàn non-existence as a people is full of cheap points. All Palestinians would have spoken Arabic. Amongst Jewish immigrants to Israel/Palestine the ethnicities and language groups would have been much more mixed and – less important perhaps – the genetic ancestries would have shown differences greater than any to appear in significant numbers amongst the Palestinians.

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  • geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    Yes, a great tragedy and I deplore it. Allbright is a disgrace. But the Lobby, if they did anything remotely relevant to your charge, mistakenly like many others, fearing Iraq's possession of WMDs, backed sanctions against Saddam.

    Are you seriously asserting that Jewish members of AIPAC supported sanctions just so they could kill children? That they knew, in fact planned, the civil war which would ensue, leading to those casualties? So they are monsters with perfect foresight. Are you really that lost? I don't believe so.

    Tell me, did Phillip Weis, this bloke you are so fond of quoting know, back when Iraq II was on the cards, that a civil war would result and lead to mass casualties? If he did, had he then rung the alarm bells? If memory serves, this entire nation and its congress were beckoning the dogs of war.

    To compare Barghouti's deliberate, calculated, heinous plots to slaughter Israeli civilians to the lobbying efforts of AIPAC is to engage in a leap of equivalence the likes of which has not been witnessed since the time Rodrigo Borgia equated garotting his competition of the cloth to serving the Almighty!

    That they knew, in fact planned, the civil war which would ensue, leading to those casualties?

    back when Iraq II was on the cards, that a civil war would result and lead to mass casualties?

    I’m very disappointed in you, Sam. For a person who prides himself on being very informed, I’m somewhat surprised that you think that the civil war caused the deaths of half a million innocent Iraqi children. These children had all died prior to Iraq II, Sam.

    Even the AIPAC official, I quoted above, acknowledged the impact the harsh economic sanctions were having:

    Friedkin said AIPAC opposes the bill, although the organization recognizes the sponsors’ “very compassionate reasons” for proposing it.

    The whole world was aware of the impact the brutal economic sanctions were having on the innocent children of Iraq. The consequences of the brutal sanctions were so evident that several UN officials resigned their positions in protest. And the Iraqi ambassador to the UN, Saeed Hasan, bluntly explained why: “People are resigning because they could no more be silent on the genocide which is taking place in Iraq.”:

    Second official quits UN Iraq team

    The United Nations sanctions against Iraq suffered a new setback yesterday after another high-ranking official was reported to have resigned in protest at the suffering of the civilian population.
    European diplomats in Baghdad said the head of the UN World Food Programme in Iraq, Jutta Purghart, of Germany, had quit her post.

    Her move came 24 hours after the UN accepted the resignation of the humanitarian coordinator, Hans von Sponeck, who protested at the impact of the sanctions on the civilian population.

    The sanctions policy has been criticised by other international humanitarian organisations operating in Iraq. Mr von Sponeck’s predecessor, Denis Halliday, resigned in 1998, also over the sanctions.

    Sanctions were imposed after the invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Six years later, amid public pressure, the UN softened its stance and allowed Iraq to export some oil in return for food and medicines.

    Ms Purghart had administered the distribution of food supplies in Iraq under the oil-for-food deal since taking up her post in January 1999.

    A European diplomat said Ms Purghart had written to the World Food Programme headquarters in Rome to say she could not continue in her job because she believed that sanctions were a failure and caused suffering. She was said to be critical of the recent British-inspired UN resolution that offered to ease sanctions in return for Iraq allowing in weapons inspectors…

    The French government said it could understand the motives behind Mr von Sponeck’s resignation. Speaking before Ms Purghart quit, a foreign ministry spokeswoman, Anne Gazeau-Secret, said of Mr von Sponeck: “His evaluation of the humanitarian situation in Iraq corresponds to reality. Without question, it reflects the views of all observers of the situation on the ground.

    Meanwhile, the US and Britain have insisted that President Saddam could end the suffering by allowing entry to weapons inspectors. A British foreign office spokeswoman said: “We would focus on the the programme, not the individuals. We trust the [UN] secretary general to appoint worthy successors.”

    The Iraqi ambassador to the UN, Saeed Hasan, said: “People are resigning because they could no more be silent on the genocide which is taking place in Iraq.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/feb/16/iraq.unitednations

    Are you seriously asserting that Jewish members of AIPAC supported sanctions just so they could kill children?

    Sam, the answer to that question is a fairly simple one: members of The Lobby supported sanctions so that the Shia and Kurds would rise up against Saddam and over through his regime. That half a million children had to be sacrificed to achieve this goal is a price they were willing to pay, as Ms. Korbelová unexpectedly revealed in a moment of brutal honesty… something, I’m sure, we will never see from you.

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    I am confused, I admit, trying to sort through all these atrocities Jews have been responsible for, both during Iraq I and II. Of course, those happen to be mere flickers in the scheme of things which started all the way back from Egypt and the Pharaoh, aren't they?

    Brutal honesty in your world are only those items which fit the narrative carefully crafted following the brilliant principle of post hoc ergo propter hoc. I concede the case.
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  • Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    That they knew, in fact planned, the civil war which would ensue, leading to those casualties?

    back when Iraq II was on the cards, that a civil war would result and lead to mass casualties?
     

    I'm very disappointed in you, Sam. For a person who prides himself on being very informed, I'm somewhat surprised that you think that the civil war caused the deaths of half a million innocent Iraqi children. These children had all died prior to Iraq II, Sam.

    Even the AIPAC official, I quoted above, acknowledged the impact the harsh economic sanctions were having:


    Friedkin said AIPAC opposes the bill, although the organization recognizes the sponsors’ “very compassionate reasons” for proposing it.
     
    The whole world was aware of the impact the brutal economic sanctions were having on the innocent children of Iraq. The consequences of the brutal sanctions were so evident that several UN officials resigned their positions in protest. And the Iraqi ambassador to the UN, Saeed Hasan, bluntly explained why: "People are resigning because they could no more be silent on the genocide which is taking place in Iraq.":

    Second official quits UN Iraq team

    The United Nations sanctions against Iraq suffered a new setback yesterday after another high-ranking official was reported to have resigned in protest at the suffering of the civilian population.
    European diplomats in Baghdad said the head of the UN World Food Programme in Iraq, Jutta Purghart, of Germany, had quit her post.

    Her move came 24 hours after the UN accepted the resignation of the humanitarian coordinator, Hans von Sponeck, who protested at the impact of the sanctions on the civilian population.

    The sanctions policy has been criticised by other international humanitarian organisations operating in Iraq. Mr von Sponeck's predecessor, Denis Halliday, resigned in 1998, also over the sanctions.

    Sanctions were imposed after the invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Six years later, amid public pressure, the UN softened its stance and allowed Iraq to export some oil in return for food and medicines.

    Ms Purghart had administered the distribution of food supplies in Iraq under the oil-for-food deal since taking up her post in January 1999.

    A European diplomat said Ms Purghart had written to the World Food Programme headquarters in Rome to say she could not continue in her job because she believed that sanctions were a failure and caused suffering. She was said to be critical of the recent British-inspired UN resolution that offered to ease sanctions in return for Iraq allowing in weapons inspectors...

    The French government said it could understand the motives behind Mr von Sponeck's resignation. Speaking before Ms Purghart quit, a foreign ministry spokeswoman, Anne Gazeau-Secret, said of Mr von Sponeck: "His evaluation of the humanitarian situation in Iraq corresponds to reality. Without question, it reflects the views of all observers of the situation on the ground."

    Meanwhile, the US and Britain have insisted that President Saddam could end the suffering by allowing entry to weapons inspectors. A British foreign office spokeswoman said: "We would focus on the the programme, not the individuals. We trust the [UN] secretary general to appoint worthy successors."

    The Iraqi ambassador to the UN, Saeed Hasan, said: "People are resigning because they could no more be silent on the genocide which is taking place in Iraq."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/feb/16/iraq.unitednations
     


    Are you seriously asserting that Jewish members of AIPAC supported sanctions just so they could kill children?
     
    Sam, the answer to that question is a fairly simple one: members of The Lobby supported sanctions so that the Shia and Kurds would rise up against Saddam and over through his regime. That half a million children had to be sacrificed to achieve this goal is a price they were willing to pay, as Ms. Korbelová unexpectedly revealed in a moment of brutal honesty... something, I'm sure, we will never see from you.

    I am confused, I admit, trying to sort through all these atrocities Jews have been responsible for, both during Iraq I and II. Of course, those happen to be mere flickers in the scheme of things which started all the way back from Egypt and the Pharaoh, aren’t they?

    Brutal honesty in your world are only those items which fit the narrative carefully crafted following the brilliant principle of post hoc ergo propter hoc. I concede the case.

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    Brutal honesty in your world are only those items which fit the narrative carefully crafted following the brilliant principle of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
     
    Sorry for taking so long to respond, Sam. It took me awhile to dig up the specific proposed legislation that a few humane members of Congress had the temerity to introduce in the Knesset West, er, I mean Capitol Hill, back in 2000.

    The title of the proposed bill was Humanitarian Exports Leading to Peace Act. Here is an excerpt of the Findings section from the proposed bill:



    SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

    The Congress finds the following:

    (1) The Iraqi people suffered under a decade of war and continue to suffer under a repressive regime and the most comprehensive economic sanctions ever imposed on any country.

    (2) The economic sanctions have caused extraordinary hardship on the people of Iraq and failed to weaken the leadership of Iraq, and have undermined the institutions of civil society which are necessary for democratic political life.

    (3) The investigative panel established by the United Nations Security Council and other independent bodies have confirmed that the United Nations Oil-for-Food program has failed to adequately meet the needs of the Iraqi people.

    (4) According to the United States Department of Agriculture, Iraq represents a potential market for nearly $1,000,000,000 in agricultural products from the United States.

    (5) The sanctions regime continues to harm the Iraqi population for the crimes of its leaders and has not served either the goal of the United States of punishing Iraq’s leaders or disarming weapons of mass destruction.

    (6) Rigorous weapons inspections and adequate provision for civilian needs in Iraq are not mutually exclusive.


    (7) The devastating effect of the economic sanctions on Iraq has been reported by numerous international and independent bodies, including the following:

    (A) The Center for Economic and Social Rights of the United Nations documented dra- matic increases in malnutrition and disease, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children under the age of 5 since 1991.

    (B) UNICEF reported in 1995 that ‘‘no significant movement towards food security can be achieved so long as the embargo remains in place’’. Further, despite the Oil-for-Food Program, UNICEF reported in July 1999 survey findings that ‘‘Both the infant mortality rate and the under-five mortality rate consistently show a major increase in mortality over the 10 years preceding the survey. More specifically, the results show that the infant mortality rate has increased from 47 deaths per 1,000 live births for the period 1984–89, to 108 deaths per 1,000 live births for the period 1994–99.’’.

    (C) A report authorized by the United National Security Council on March 30, 1999, found that ‘‘the gravity of the humanitarian situation of the Iraqi people is indisputable and cannot be overstated.’’. Further, it emphasized that ‘‘Even if not all suffering in Iraq can be imputed to external factors, especially sanctions, the Iraqi people would not be undergoing such deprivations in the absence of the prolonged measures imposed by the Security Council and the effects of the war’’.

    (D) UNICEF and the World Food Program found in 1997 that ‘‘One out of every 4 young Iraqi children is malnourished. More than 750,000 children are suffering from malnutrition’’.

    https://www.congress.gov/106/bills/hr3825/BILLS-106hr3825ih.pdf
     
    The sponsor of the proposed legislation had been Rep. Conyers and it incredibly had 39 cosponsors, one among whom was the courageous Rep. Cynthia McKinney (we all know what The Lobby had in store for her).

    Despite garnering this level of support, the Humanitarian Exports Leading to Peace Act of 2000 was quietly killed for some reason and the harshest sanctions ever imposed on a country continued for another 3 years.

    I concluded that since a representative of The Lobby was on the record with an admission that AIPAC opposed the bill, even conceding the organization recognized the sponsors had “very compassionate reasons” for proposing it, this very fact, along with its initial aim to remove Saddam from power, demonstrated to me The Lobby was willing to have the sanctions continue, and was, therefore, responsible for the deaths of half a million innocent Iraqi children who Ms. Korbelová, in a moment of honesty, was willing to admit that the price had been worth it.

    If you have drawn a different conclusion from this information, Sam, I'm all ears.
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  • @Lot

    Ottoman troops defeated a combined force....
     
    And what was the outcome of the war in which that battle took place for the Ottoman Empire? Spoiler: The end of the Ottoman Empire.

    Anyway you missed my point. The Ottomans, even as their empire was collapsing, had no trouble keeping the Arabs under their boot.

    From Lot: “And what was the outcome of the war in which that battle took place for the Ottoman Empire? Spoiler: The end of the Ottoman Empire.”

    So what? WWI was also the end of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Russian Empire and Imperial Germany as well as the Ottoman Empire.

    From Lot: “The Ottomans, even as their empire was collapsing, had no trouble keeping the Arabs under their boot.”

    Again, so what? the Poles couldn’t free themselves from the Russians, nor could the Balts, Finns, Ukrainians, etc., etc. The Czechs, Slovaks and other central European minorities were ruled by the Habsburgs before WWI too.

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  • Sherman says:
    @Sam Shama
    Art how lovely to see you again. Missed your endearing little posts of late. I trust you are drinking salt water exclusively over all other potables?

    No pork and beans either, and certainly not chocolate bars.


    Conflict - Sam

    Don’t tease Art about his PORK and beans.

    This is his favorite meal.

    With Trump’s proposed budget cuts he will no longer get free government issued cans of PORK and beans.

    He will have to rummage through trash cans for food.

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    [He will have to rummage through trash cans for food.]

    We should be confident nevertheless, that Jewish neighbourhood trash cans are very likely to remain safe from his depredations.

    I can't speak for others, particularly Cubans, who seem to favour pork over all else. A call for vigilance, I think.
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  • @Eagle Eye

    Our tax dollars don’t pay for what goes on in the Congo, the Sudans, ...
     
    Actually, our tax dollars (aka development aid) do pay for a good chunk of what goes on in sub-Saharan Africa.

    Our reps at the UN do not routinely defend atrocities committed by the governments of those countries.
     
    That's because the UN gives Third World hellholes a pass on human rights while the savages indulge in endless, Third-World style palavers about "human rights" in one particular country.

    If you can’t muster a better response to me than that you are going to have to leave the Hasbara Office and return to the task of beating small Palestinian children and gassing their mothers.

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  • @Rurik

    Yes but numbers do matter because a few killings could just be thè evil done by a couple of fanatical nutters while a few every week suggests the government and police are incompetent and don’t care.
     
    you're missing the point wiz

    the point is when the government kills people because they happen to belong to the wrong race (ethnicity, religion, tribe, etc..)

    we all know the Nazis persecuted and executed some Jews simply for being Jews

    just as today, there are Jews in Israel that are murdering and persecuting Arabs simply for being Arabs.

    as a matter of principle, this is either wrong, or it's OK

    and if it's OK for Jews in Israel to murder Palestinians simply for being Palestinians (whether it's two or twenty thousand), then by what moral, ethical logic can we condemn the Nazis for doing the exact same thing- that we Americans are forced to fund and facilitate in the holy land today?

    if I condemn Nazism, (in so far as it was a murderous, racial supremacist agenda of land theft and conquest)*, then how can I possibly be quiescent about the exact same thing being done on my dime and with my country's moral sanction in the holy land?

    the answer is that in principle, Zionism is the exact same thing as Nazism, (at least insofar as Nazism is considered a murderous, genocidal, hate-crazed ideology of racial supremacy and land theft)

    *the degree to which this describes actual Nazism is of course a matter of some debate.

    No, with respect, it is not I that is missing the point but you; and you sare doing it because you are begging the question.

    Your question begging shows up in the very next paragraph by way of your assuming that the issue concerns only government killing. My point was that a few isolated killings may well be just thst : nothing to do with government beforehand and also telling us little about the society they take place in.

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    My point was that a few isolated killings may well be just thst : nothing to do with [Israeli] government beforehand and also telling us little about the [Zionist] society they take place in.
     
    that may be your point wiz, but you'd nevertheless be wrong.

    the slaughter of Palestinians, for instance during Operation Cast Lead, were perpetrated by the Israeli government. Hardly what anyone would call "isolated killings".

    Menachem Begin and Ben-Gurion were flat out terrorists. Ehud Barak was an assassin.

    I'd say that tends to reflect somewhat on the kind of society that Israel is, and the nature of their voting public, no?

    these guys are not crazed settlers carrying out an illegal attack on some Palestinian grandmother, they're uniformed soldiers (cowards) in the IDF

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5T-hKpDSrg
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  • Z-man says:
    @Cyrano
    I have a perfect cure for all of you "pro-Arab" morons. You should all be loaded on a plane (one might not be enough) and moved to an Arab neighborhood in Paris. One of the so called no-go zones. There you can enjoy your beautiful friendship with the Arabs. Tell them some of your heartbreaking stories of how the Jews are evil and how much you love them - the Arabs. I am sure they will get sentimental over such emotional outburst of affection.

    You are just a bunch of morons that don't live in a real world. You imagine yourselves as some kind of intellectuals that can't stand injustice or something. Whatever man. And while you are enjoying your friendship with your Arab friends in a Paris suburb, if one of them asks you to carry his innocently looking backpack - say to a rock concert in Manchester or some other venue of similar kind - if I was you, I would refuse. But then again, stupid as you are, chances are you'll probably accept an offer like that.

    I am anti Israel you ass hole not pro Arab. Ideally we would control our borders and kick out all the trash but it’s too late for that.
    But the harm of supporting the most ‘artificial of nation states’ at the expense of the native Palestinian population goes beyond them but causes us to lose our Christian moral compass and mimic the Jew/Semitic ‘eye for an eye’ mentality and gets us attacked by the low life’s that have entered our midst, ironically supported by the big international Jew!
    Open your eyes boy!

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  • @Sam Shama
    Please don't write nonsense in response to my posts. You consider your reading of the Torah the last word by which all Jews should live.

    No; both the G'd idea and the various interpretations of the Torah, while they change at the subconscious level, actually need to change at the conscious level. You sabotage yourself when clinging to some minority interpretation you've created for yourself, wholly dispensing with all the reliable scientific knowledge we've gained. I won't have any truck with that.

    Where and when precisely did the Rambam call for the elimination of Palestinians? Can you reference the source?

    Where and when precisely did the Rambam call for the elimination of Palestinians? Can you reference the source?

    He said that the Land of Israel needed to be forcibly taken from “Ishmael”. Not just that the Land should be conquered, but that the inhabitants needed to be dispossessed with only those who accepted Jewish sovereignty being allowed to remain. Obviously he didn’t call them Palestinians.

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    Hey Greasy,

    He said that the Land of Israel needed to be forcibly taken from “Ishmael”.
     
    Dang - that's some serious OG Thugg talk - especially given Bani Ishmael and her confederates outnumber Bani Ishaac like 80 to 1.

    I'm guessing he didn't say this within earshot of his employer - Sultan Salahuddin (ra). Maybe I'm wrong, maybe he was just OG Thugg even as chief physician.


    only those who accepted Jewish sovereignty being allowed to remain
     
    Solution to the One State Solution!!!

    I gotta admit Rambam does sound kind of thuggish - though nothing beats Sargon the Akkadian - that name is dope!!! Sumerian honeys lining up for a piece of that!

    Peace.

    , @Sam Shama

    He said that the Land of Israel needed to be forcibly taken from “Ishmael”. Not just that the Land should be conquered, but that the inhabitants needed to be dispossessed with only those who accepted Jewish sovereignty being allowed to remain. Obviously he didn’t call them Palestinians.
     
    The fact you drew a comparison in your earlier post between Palestinians and Canaanites of yore, I shall let pass, but your narrative is flawed as far as I remember. Maimonides had written to Jews in Yemen an impassioned account of the mistreatment received by the small Jewish minority at the hands of muslims. That was during the rule of Salahadin. He wrote of this injustice and encouraged Jews to not forget their misery and even voice their complaints to Salahadin.

    I'll research this further and return with references. You, I hope, will do the same.

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  • @Sam Shama
    Yes, a great tragedy and I deplore it. Allbright is a disgrace. But the Lobby, if they did anything remotely relevant to your charge, mistakenly like many others, fearing Iraq's possession of WMDs, backed sanctions against Saddam.

    Are you seriously asserting that Jewish members of AIPAC supported sanctions just so they could kill children? That they knew, in fact planned, the civil war which would ensue, leading to those casualties? So they are monsters with perfect foresight. Are you really that lost? I don't believe so.

    Tell me, did Phillip Weis, this bloke you are so fond of quoting know, back when Iraq II was on the cards, that a civil war would result and lead to mass casualties? If he did, had he then rung the alarm bells? If memory serves, this entire nation and its congress were beckoning the dogs of war.

    To compare Barghouti's deliberate, calculated, heinous plots to slaughter Israeli civilians to the lobbying efforts of AIPAC is to engage in a leap of equivalence the likes of which has not been witnessed since the time Rodrigo Borgia equated garotting his competition of the cloth to serving the Almighty!

    Are you seriously asserting that Jewish members of AIPAC supported sanctions just so they could kill children? That they knew, in fact planned, the civil war which would ensue, leading to those casualties? So they are monsters with perfect foresight. Are you really that lost? I don’t believe so.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4196885,00.html
    צילום: רויטרס
    Should West starve Iran?

    Israeli officials: Starve Iranians to stop nukes

    “. . .hunger in Iran could prompt regime to ‘consider whether nuclear adventure is worthwhile’, Jerusalem official says”
    Attila Somfalvi|Published: 29.02.12 , 20:18

    Iran’s citizens should be starved in order to curb Tehran’s nuclear program, officials in Jerusalem said Wednesday ahead of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s upcoming trip to Washington.

    “North Korea is halting its nuclear program in order to receive aid in food, and this is what should be done with Iran as well,” one unnamed official said. [h/t Nima Shirazi, http://www.unz.com/article/justin-murphys-the-psychology-of-prohibiting-outside-thinkers/


    **

    “In 2006, after Palestinians democratically elected Hamas to the shock and chagrin of both Israel and the United States . . . a devastating economic siege was imposed on the 1.5 million residents of Gaza by Israel as punishment for the crime of Palestinian self-determination. As Dov Weisglass, adviser to then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, said with a chuckle, “It’s like an appointment with a dietitian. The Palestinians in Gaza will get a lot thinner, but won’t die.”

    What’s so obviously funny about Weisglass’ statement is that, due to the brutal blockade that has deliberately strangled Gaza for six years, at least 61% of Palestinians in the territory are “food insecure,” of which “65% are children under 18 years;” the level of anemia in infants is as high as 65.5%, about 70% of Palestinians in Gaza live on less than $1 a day, over 80% rely on food aid, and 60% have no daily access to water, 95% of which is undrinkable anyway.” Shirazi, op cit.

    Shove your chocolate fixation up your ass, Shama; maybe it will emerge as diamonds you can use to try to buy your way out of hell.

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    [Shove your chocolate fixation up your ass, Shama; maybe it will emerge as diamonds you can use to try to buy your way out of hell.]

    It appears you've woken from your slumber with a nasty headache. I recommend a shot of brandy, 1 egg yolk, 1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce, black pepper and salt, all thrown into a blender and then consumed immediately.

    Best of luck
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  • Sam Shama says:
    @Sherman
    Don't tease Art about his PORK and beans.

    This is his favorite meal.

    With Trump's proposed budget cuts he will no longer get free government issued cans of PORK and beans.

    He will have to rummage through trash cans for food.

    [He will have to rummage through trash cans for food.]

    We should be confident nevertheless, that Jewish neighbourhood trash cans are very likely to remain safe from his depredations.

    I can’t speak for others, particularly Cubans, who seem to favour pork over all else. A call for vigilance, I think.

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  • Talha says:
    @Greasy William

    Where and when precisely did the Rambam call for the elimination of Palestinians? Can you reference the source?
     
    He said that the Land of Israel needed to be forcibly taken from "Ishmael". Not just that the Land should be conquered, but that the inhabitants needed to be dispossessed with only those who accepted Jewish sovereignty being allowed to remain. Obviously he didn't call them Palestinians.

    Hey Greasy,

    He said that the Land of Israel needed to be forcibly taken from “Ishmael”.

    Dang – that’s some serious OG Thugg talk – especially given Bani Ishmael and her confederates outnumber Bani Ishaac like 80 to 1.

    I’m guessing he didn’t say this within earshot of his employer – Sultan Salahuddin (ra). Maybe I’m wrong, maybe he was just OG Thugg even as chief physician.

    only those who accepted Jewish sovereignty being allowed to remain

    Solution to the One State Solution!!!

    I gotta admit Rambam does sound kind of thuggish – though nothing beats Sargon the Akkadian – that name is dope!!! Sumerian honeys lining up for a piece of that!

    Peace.

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  • anarchyst says:

    When I hear those supporters of Israel declare that “God gave them the land”, I respond with “God is not a real-estate agent”. Shuts ‘em up every time…

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  • L.K says:
    @Sam Shama
    Yes, a great tragedy and I deplore it. Allbright is a disgrace. But the Lobby, if they did anything remotely relevant to your charge, mistakenly like many others, fearing Iraq's possession of WMDs, backed sanctions against Saddam.

    Are you seriously asserting that Jewish members of AIPAC supported sanctions just so they could kill children? That they knew, in fact planned, the civil war which would ensue, leading to those casualties? So they are monsters with perfect foresight. Are you really that lost? I don't believe so.

    Tell me, did Phillip Weis, this bloke you are so fond of quoting know, back when Iraq II was on the cards, that a civil war would result and lead to mass casualties? If he did, had he then rung the alarm bells? If memory serves, this entire nation and its congress were beckoning the dogs of war.

    To compare Barghouti's deliberate, calculated, heinous plots to slaughter Israeli civilians to the lobbying efforts of AIPAC is to engage in a leap of equivalence the likes of which has not been witnessed since the time Rodrigo Borgia equated garotting his competition of the cloth to serving the Almighty!

    It’s amazing how many lies you can produce in just one miserable post… but then again, you have been caught lying numerous times by several people. Pinocchio would blush near you.

    Sham: “But the Lobby, if they did anything remotely relevant to your charge, mistakenly like many others, fearing Iraq’s possession of WMDs, backed sanctions against Saddam.”

    There were NO mistakes, imbecile, the WMD thing was merely a prop to justify the sanctions which, in turn, aimed at regime-change, by punishing the civilian population, and deaths were expected.

    After years of draconian sanctions( a form of terrorism ), your heroes used their well documented influence to get ZUSA to invade Iraq, causing all of the mess we see today.
    The forced war on Syria is also, at heart, a Zionist affair, as former CIA Ray McGovern stated, one cannot make sense of US policy re Syria without Israel.
    It is all part of the “We’re going to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran..”

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    Apoplectic assertions, and even then, merely those coming from the mouth of a reptile do not a credible case make.

    Run along.
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  • L.K says:
    @Sam Shama
    Barghouti is a criminal, inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder. He acted as the money man, raising funds for the bombers and other terrorists.

    There can be no subjective interpretation of the video attached to GabrielM's post above. Marwan is no Gandhi; being instead, a deceitful murderer [I know the family of one of the dead in a Tel Aviv market bombing in 2002, financed and ordered by Barghouti] who finds misguided sponsorship from the naive in the West, people like you and Phil Giraldi.

    There are things Israel needs to address and redress; releasing Barghouti is not one of them.

    SHAM: ‘Barghouti is a criminal, inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder. He acted as the money man, raising funds for the bombers and other terrorists.’

    BS. There is NO evidence to support your zionist lies that Barghouti is a terrorist.
    What’s the evidence? Should we believe any of the excrement coming out of the mouth of such a discredited and pathetic sad little liar? Of course not.
    Some Israelis are able to tell the truth;
    Jonathan Ofir writes about the accusation that Barghouti is a terrorist:

    But let’s put the hysteria aside – what do we actually know about Barghouti’s capture, trial and conviction?

    On August 4th 2001, Barghouti went underground, following an Israeli missile attack against two vehicles leaving Fatah headquarters. He was narrowly missed. …
    A warrant for Barghouti’s arrest was issued in September 2001, and after intense chase, he was caught by the Israeli military in Ramallah on April 15, 2002. …
    But how was this ‘terrorist record’ to be construed?

    Israel stacked up 37 charges related to the deaths of dozens of civilians during the 2nd Intifada. Out of these, 33 were rejected by the court, as they were conducted by Al Aqsa Martyrs and showed no direct connection to Barghouti. The remaining cases included three attacks, which killed four Israelis and a Greek monk.

    “Think about it,” said Marwan Dalal, a lawyer with the Adalah Legal Centre for Minority Rights inside Israel. “The attorney-general approves indicting him with 37 charges related to attacks that led to the deaths of dozens of people. The prosecution then claims it has proof in documents confiscated by the army from the Palestinian Authority that Barghouti was personally responsible for those killings. Barghouti remains silent. And the verdict: the court throws out 33 of the charges for lack of evidence. It leaves a lot of questions about the judgement of the attorney-general and the credibility of the so-called ‘proof’ found by the army.”

    Indeed, the whole trial contained a massive amount of worrying signs indicating a political show-trial, including numerous violations of international law, which should cast serious doubt as to the credibility of it all. …

    Ninety-six witnesses were called in by the prosecution. Two-thirds of them (63) were investigators or individuals associated with the investigation into Barghouti but unable to give a personal testimony regarding his involvement.

    Another 12 of the witnesses were victims or witnesses of bomb attacks, with no information regarding the personal involvement of the accused. Thus only 21 of the prosecution witnesses were actually in a position to testify directly regarding Barghouti’s role in these attacks. But none of these 21 individuals in fact accused him. About 12 of them explicitly told the court that he was not involved. Most of them quite simply refused to answer the questions of the court, generally on the ground that it had no jurisdiction to judge Barghouti.

    Thus the court had to fall back on statements collected by the investigators, although several witnesses told the court that these statements had been obtained under duress.

    Full article @ http://mondoweiss.net/2017/04/making-barghouti-terrorist/#sthash.BNL6K0eF.dpuf

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    Barghouti is a wily murderer, convicted fairly in a civilian court. He was Yasser Arafat's handy man, the chief of Tanzim and the founder terrorist organisation Al Aqsa Martyrs Bridage which carried out suicide bomb attacks on buses, Malls and other places where civilians gathered.


    http://www.timesofisrael.com/what-the-ny-times-didnt-say-about-barghouti/

    The thing which stands out most – and is most infuriating – about the opinion piece published by Marwan Barghouti in the New York Times is the single sentence below the article identifying the author. “Marwan Barghouti is a Palestinian leader and parliamentarian,” it says dryly. That isn’t an error, that is an intentional deception.

    Anyone who reads the column without prior knowledge of the facts will come to the conclusion that Barghouti is a freedom fighter imprisoned for his views. Nothing is further from the truth. The missing part of the column is that Marwan Barghouti is a murderer. He was convicted in a civilian (not military) court on five separate counts of murder of innocent civilians. He was involved in dozens of attempted terror attacks. He caused people to lose their families and led to people being maimed. He destroyed lives.


    Barghouti doesn’t only believe in violence, he also believes that its permissible to lie. He believes in the approach, which typifies terror organizations, that the West is weak and naïve and so our media and good intentions should be cynically abused to attack us from within.

    The attempt by the New York Times “to be balanced” amuses Barghouti. He understands that this sacred attempt at balance creates equal standing between murderer and murdered, terrorist and victim, lie and truth.

    So Barghouti tells horror stories about torture he underwent during Israeli investigations. There is no factual basis for these stories. The torture he describes is prohibited under Israeli law and even Israel’s greatest opponents must acknowledge that we abide by our laws.

    The reality is that a convicted terrorist is inventing stories about those who imprison him, as prisoners do all over the world, including in the United States.

    Instead of saying to him – as a responsible newspaper should – that if he doesn’t have a shred of evidence to support his stories then they can’t be published, the New York Times published them in its opinion pages and didn’t even bother to explain to its readers that the author is a convicted murderer of the worst kind.

    The peak of Barghouti’s violent ‘career’ came during the Second Intifada. It’s worth remembering that it broke out immediately after Israel’s prime minister at the time, Ehud Barak, made the Palestinians an offer that the whole world, including president Clinton, thought was impossible to refuse: a withdrawal to 1967 lines, a division of Jerusalem, a humanitarian solution to the refugee issue. Yasser Arafat said “no” and sent Barghouti and his people to murder Israelis in suicide attacks on buses and in shopping malls.

    That’s why Barghouti is in prison. Not for his views, not for his desire for a Palestinian state, not for his right to freedom of expression. He could have – along with the prisoners who are with him – been a free citizen of an independent Palestinian state long ago. He chose the path of terror, murder and violence.

    But the New York Times neglected to tell its readers that.

     

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  • Sam Shama says:
    @L.K
    It's amazing how many lies you can produce in just one miserable post... but then again, you have been caught lying numerous times by several people. Pinocchio would blush near you.

    Sham: "But the Lobby, if they did anything remotely relevant to your charge, mistakenly like many others, fearing Iraq’s possession of WMDs, backed sanctions against Saddam."

    There were NO mistakes, imbecile, the WMD thing was merely a prop to justify the sanctions which, in turn, aimed at regime-change, by punishing the civilian population, and deaths were expected.

    After years of draconian sanctions( a form of terrorism ), your heroes used their well documented influence to get ZUSA to invade Iraq, causing all of the mess we see today.
    The forced war on Syria is also, at heart, a Zionist affair, as former CIA Ray McGovern stated, one cannot make sense of US policy re Syria without Israel.
    It is all part of the “We’re going to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran..”

    Apoplectic assertions, and even then, merely those coming from the mouth of a reptile do not a credible case make.

    Run along.

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  • Sam Shama says:
    @L.K
    SHAM: 'Barghouti is a criminal, inextricably associated with more than a few bombings and other methods of murder. He acted as the money man, raising funds for the bombers and other terrorists.'

    BS. There is NO evidence to support your zionist lies that Barghouti is a terrorist.
    What's the evidence? Should we believe any of the excrement coming out of the mouth of such a discredited and pathetic sad little liar? Of course not.
    Some Israelis are able to tell the truth;
    Jonathan Ofir writes about the accusation that Barghouti is a terrorist:

    But let’s put the hysteria aside – what do we actually know about Barghouti’s capture, trial and conviction?

    On August 4th 2001, Barghouti went underground, following an Israeli missile attack against two vehicles leaving Fatah headquarters. He was narrowly missed. ...
    A warrant for Barghouti’s arrest was issued in September 2001, and after intense chase, he was caught by the Israeli military in Ramallah on April 15, 2002. ...
    But how was this ‘terrorist record’ to be construed?

    Israel stacked up 37 charges related to the deaths of dozens of civilians during the 2nd Intifada. Out of these, 33 were rejected by the court, as they were conducted by Al Aqsa Martyrs and showed no direct connection to Barghouti. The remaining cases included three attacks, which killed four Israelis and a Greek monk.

    “Think about it,” said Marwan Dalal, a lawyer with the Adalah Legal Centre for Minority Rights inside Israel. “The attorney-general approves indicting him with 37 charges related to attacks that led to the deaths of dozens of people. The prosecution then claims it has proof in documents confiscated by the army from the Palestinian Authority that Barghouti was personally responsible for those killings. Barghouti remains silent. And the verdict: the court throws out 33 of the charges for lack of evidence. It leaves a lot of questions about the judgement of the attorney-general and the credibility of the so-called ‘proof’ found by the army.”

    Indeed, the whole trial contained a massive amount of worrying signs indicating a political show-trial, including numerous violations of international law, which should cast serious doubt as to the credibility of it all. ...

    Ninety-six witnesses were called in by the prosecution. Two-thirds of them (63) were investigators or individuals associated with the investigation into Barghouti but unable to give a personal testimony regarding his involvement.

    Another 12 of the witnesses were victims or witnesses of bomb attacks, with no information regarding the personal involvement of the accused. Thus only 21 of the prosecution witnesses were actually in a position to testify directly regarding Barghouti’s role in these attacks. But none of these 21 individuals in fact accused him. About 12 of them explicitly told the court that he was not involved. Most of them quite simply refused to answer the questions of the court, generally on the ground that it had no jurisdiction to judge Barghouti.

    Thus the court had to fall back on statements collected by the investigators, although several witnesses told the court that these statements had been obtained under duress.
     
    Full article @ http://mondoweiss.net/2017/04/making-barghouti-terrorist/#sthash.BNL6K0eF.dpuf

    Barghouti is a wily murderer, convicted fairly in a civilian court. He was Yasser Arafat’s handy man, the chief of Tanzim and the founder terrorist organisation Al Aqsa Martyrs Bridage which carried out suicide bomb attacks on buses, Malls and other places where civilians gathered.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/what-the-ny-times-didnt-say-about-barghouti/

    The thing which stands out most – and is most infuriating – about the opinion piece published by Marwan Barghouti in the New York Times is the single sentence below the article identifying the author. “Marwan Barghouti is a Palestinian leader and parliamentarian,” it says dryly. That isn’t an error, that is an intentional deception.

    Anyone who reads the column without prior knowledge of the facts will come to the conclusion that Barghouti is a freedom fighter imprisoned for his views. Nothing is further from the truth. The missing part of the column is that Marwan Barghouti is a murderer. He was convicted in a civilian (not military) court on five separate counts of murder of innocent civilians. He was involved in dozens of attempted terror attacks. He caused people to lose their families and led to people being maimed. He destroyed lives.

    Barghouti doesn’t only believe in violence, he also believes that its permissible to lie. He believes in the approach, which typifies terror organizations, that the West is weak and naïve and so our media and good intentions should be cynically abused to attack us from within.

    The attempt by the New York Times “to be balanced” amuses Barghouti. He understands that this sacred attempt at balance creates equal standing between murderer and murdered, terrorist and victim, lie and truth.

    So Barghouti tells horror stories about torture he underwent during Israeli investigations. There is no factual basis for these stories. The torture he describes is prohibited under Israeli law and even Israel’s greatest opponents must acknowledge that we abide by our laws.

    The reality is that a convicted terrorist is inventing stories about those who imprison him, as prisoners do all over the world, including in the United States.

    Instead of saying to him – as a responsible newspaper should – that if he doesn’t have a shred of evidence to support his stories then they can’t be published, the New York Times published them in its opinion pages and didn’t even bother to explain to its readers that the author is a convicted murderer of the worst kind.

    The peak of Barghouti’s violent ‘career’ came during the Second Intifada. It’s worth remembering that it broke out immediately after Israel’s prime minister at the time, Ehud Barak, made the Palestinians an offer that the whole world, including president Clinton, thought was impossible to refuse: a withdrawal to 1967 lines, a division of Jerusalem, a humanitarian solution to the refugee issue. Yasser Arafat said “no” and sent Barghouti and his people to murder Israelis in suicide attacks on buses and in shopping malls.

    That’s why Barghouti is in prison. Not for his views, not for his desire for a Palestinian state, not for his right to freedom of expression. He could have – along with the prisoners who are with him – been a free citizen of an independent Palestinian state long ago. He chose the path of terror, murder and violence.

    But the New York Times neglected to tell its readers that.

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  • Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Are you seriously asserting that Jewish members of AIPAC supported sanctions just so they could kill children? That they knew, in fact planned, the civil war which would ensue, leading to those casualties? So they are monsters with perfect foresight. Are you really that lost? I don’t believe so.
     

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4196885,00.html
    צילום: רויטרס
    Should West starve Iran?

    Israeli officials: Starve Iranians to stop nukes

    ". . .hunger in Iran could prompt regime to 'consider whether nuclear adventure is worthwhile', Jerusalem official says"
    Attila Somfalvi|Published: 29.02.12 , 20:18

    Iran's citizens should be starved in order to curb Tehran's nuclear program, officials in Jerusalem said Wednesday ahead of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's upcoming trip to Washington.

    "North Korea is halting its nuclear program in order to receive aid in food, and this is what should be done with Iran as well," one unnamed official said. [h/t Nima Shirazi, http://www.wideasleepinamerica.com/2012/03/inhumanity-of-iran-threat-rhetoric.html ]
     

    Five important points emerge from this brief article from a Jewish - Israeli newspaper:

    1. Jews have no problem calling for the starvation of other people's children; its a repeated pattern -- they did it to Germans, they collaborated to do it to Russians/Ukrainians, they are doing it to Palestinians (see ** below). Is this psychopathology part of the Israeli DNA: the mythology has become internalized -- spare the son of Abraham, kill the unblemished -- that is, innocent-- ram caught in the thicket, in order to enable Jews to collect on the promises of their psychopathic god.

    2. Jews call upon non-Jews -- i.e. "the West" -- to carry out their murderous endeavors, also a Jewish pattern of behavior.

    3. What is completely and totally outrageous and infuriating is the extent to which "Christian" and Catholic actors line up to suck Jewish balls to carry out their sub-human programs of sanctions and starvation. Ed Royce, nominally Roman Catholic, tops this list. This morning Francis Rooney, former ambassador to Vatican now Rep from Florida, bruited "Judeo-Christian values" -- a contradiction in terms -- and also endorsed increasing sanctions on Iran -- a contradiction of not only (allegedly) Christian values but also of the United Nations Charter/international law. Rooney endorsed the "small sale" of weapons to KSA to assist the Saudis in their campaign of starving Houthis, who are (minimally) supported by Iran.

    4. Starving other nations to force submission to Jewish / Western demands does not work: North Korea did NOT halt its nuclear program.

    5. So enthralled to this psychopathic behavior are Jews and the non-Jews who have been seduced, Faust-like, to that dark side, that they have rendered themselves incapable of behaving within truly civilized norms. Kevin MacDonald explored this phenomenon here:
    The Psychology of Prohibiting Outside Thinkers
    http://www.unz.com/article/justin-murphys-the-psychology-of-prohibiting-outside-thinkers/

    ---
    **


    "In 2006, after Palestinians democratically elected Hamas to the shock and chagrin of both Israel and the United States . . . a devastating economic siege was imposed on the 1.5 million residents of Gaza by Israel as punishment for the crime of Palestinian self-determination. As Dov Weisglass, adviser to then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, said with a chuckle, "It's like an appointment with a dietitian. The Palestinians in Gaza will get a lot thinner, but won't die."

    What's so obviously funny about Weisglass' statement is that, due to the brutal blockade that has deliberately strangled Gaza for six years, at least 61% of Palestinians in the territory are "food insecure," of which "65% are children under 18 years;" the level of anemia in infants is as high as 65.5%, about 70% of Palestinians in Gaza live on less than $1 a day, over 80% rely on food aid, and 60% have no daily access to water, 95% of which is undrinkable anyway." Shirazi, op cit.
     

    Shove your chocolate fixation up your ass, Shama; maybe it will emerge as diamonds you can use to try to buy your way out of hell.

    [Shove your chocolate fixation up your ass, Shama; maybe it will emerge as diamonds you can use to try to buy your way out of hell.]

    It appears you’ve woken from your slumber with a nasty headache. I recommend a shot of brandy, 1 egg yolk, 1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce, black pepper and salt, all thrown into a blender and then consumed immediately.

    Best of luck

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    Hey Sam, the thing about bringing up chocolate for me, vis-a-vis the occupied territories, is how little things I read about often tweak me, for their pettiness and snarky cruelty.

    Like if you have two children, one Jewish and one Arab, and you're responsible for both those children's welfare, (as the government of Israel is legally bound to be for both the Jewish citizens and the Palestinians they occupy). Right?

    Ok, then what happens is when I hear the word chocolate, I can't help but think of how the petty, black-hearted scum in the Israeli government decided that one of the things they were going to specifically prevent from getting into Gaza was chocolate. of all things.

    And I'm sitting there thinking, here's this shining light unto the nations, and there are two children there, and one is Jewish and the other is Arab. And then the man who's responsible for the welfare of both these children, gives to the Jewish child two pieces of chocolate candy, and to the other nothing. And I think what a rat. What a petty, mean-spirited, asshole

    I'm reminded of that picture of the Arminian genocide, where the guy is taunting the starving children with a piece of bread.

    http://www.gazetawarszawska.com/images/armenian_genocide_16.jpg

    but those aren't his children, they're the children of a different religion, so he taunts them and mocks their suffering.

    charming people these Jewish Zionists, eh?
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  • Rurik says: • Website
    @RobinG
    ".....when Sam goes on with that bent that killing weaker people and stealing their land is just human nature, I do wonder if he realizes he’s providing moral justification for every questionable act that the Nazis did, including the slaughter of Russians and Poles and persecution and killing of Jews. "

    Excellent post, Rurik. And note how Sam counters by saying Jews use a different math - just as they're entitled to an alternate morality. So says the Chosen. [The primitive.]

    But isn't that what all the race warriors want? Their own math and morality? Preserve the tribe, and to Hell with everyone else! Interesting that Atzmon says the only proper labels for Israel are racist and nationalist.

    Thanks Robin,

    But isn’t that what all the race warriors want? Their own math and morality? Preserve the tribe, and to Hell with everyone else! Interesting that Atzmon says the only proper labels for Israel are racist and nationalist.

    first off ‘racist’ is a loaded word. It can mean almost anything. I’m sure there are some who consider the Palestinians racists/nationalists for demanding a state of their own.

    ‘Why do they have to have their own (racial) nation? What’s wrong with them simply adapting to a second-class status in the Jew-run state of Israel? (and indeed, the same thing can be said about American whites. What’s with their alt-right nationalism? Why don’t they just accept their second-class status in the Jewish-run ZUSA? Sure, the Affirmative Action laws mean they’re legally less than human, but so what?)

    So that word has to be used carefully. For myself, I have always maintained that all peoples are entitled to self-determination. Palestinians, Jews, Kurds, blacks, browns and yes, even whites.

    a lot of people would call me a racist for saying such a thing.

    ‘Germans?! How can you say that Germans deserve their own nation?! How *dare* you say that? Are you a Nazi?!’

    and so forth.

    but the problems I see today are that certain people have been slated for the dustbin of history, and that’s why there is so much strife. The main people that have been slated for the dustbin of history, of course are the Palestinians. They are not only a tragically wronged people, who’ve suffered heart wrenching indignities, but they’re also humanities canary in the coal mine.

    As go the Palestinians, so too go the rest of us (all Gentiles) eventually, unless we can collectively marshal the wherewithal to waylay these netherworld Zionists.

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  • Rurik says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz
    No, with respect, it is not I that is missing the point but you; and you sare doing it because you are begging the question.

    Your question begging shows up in the very next paragraph by way of your assuming that the issue concerns only government killing. My point was that a few isolated killings may well be just thst : nothing to do with government beforehand and also telling us little about the society they take place in.

    My point was that a few isolated killings may well be just thst : nothing to do with [Israeli] government beforehand and also telling us little about the [Zionist] society they take place in.

    that may be your point wiz, but you’d nevertheless be wrong.

    the slaughter of Palestinians, for instance during Operation Cast Lead, were perpetrated by the Israeli government. Hardly what anyone would call “isolated killings”.

    Menachem Begin and Ben-Gurion were flat out terrorists. Ehud Barak was an assassin.

    I’d say that tends to reflect somewhat on the kind of society that Israel is, and the nature of their voting public, no?

    these guys are not crazed settlers carrying out an illegal attack on some Palestinian grandmother, they’re uniformed soldiers (cowards) in the IDF

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    Your illogical reply makes you sound obsessive.

    I say "A may be true" and you say "You are wrong: B is not true". I don't know how to handle that.
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    @Heymrguda
    Yeah, it's always fun to review Netflix's newest offerings to see what new hocaust/nazi stuff has been added. I have this game I play with my wife where I predict which will focus on the nazis. Am almost always right -- anything that shows people in 1940s fashions is a dead giveaway. It's reached the point where it's kind of comical.

    It’s reached the point where it’s kind of comical.

    yes, except most people are very much effected by it all.

    Most people consider what’s on television as more ‘real’ than what’s not

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  • Rurik says: • Website
    @Sam Shama
    [Shove your chocolate fixation up your ass, Shama; maybe it will emerge as diamonds you can use to try to buy your way out of hell.]

    It appears you've woken from your slumber with a nasty headache. I recommend a shot of brandy, 1 egg yolk, 1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce, black pepper and salt, all thrown into a blender and then consumed immediately.

    Best of luck

    Hey Sam, the thing about bringing up chocolate for me, vis-a-vis the occupied territories, is how little things I read about often tweak me, for their pettiness and snarky cruelty.

    Like if you have two children, one Jewish and one Arab, and you’re responsible for both those children’s welfare, (as the government of Israel is legally bound to be for both the Jewish citizens and the Palestinians they occupy). Right?

    Ok, then what happens is when I hear the word chocolate, I can’t help but think of how the petty, black-hearted scum in the Israeli government decided that one of the things they were going to specifically prevent from getting into Gaza was chocolate. of all things.

    And I’m sitting there thinking, here’s this shining light unto the nations, and there are two children there, and one is Jewish and the other is Arab. And then the man who’s responsible for the welfare of both these children, gives to the Jewish child two pieces of chocolate candy, and to the other nothing. And I think what a rat. What a petty, mean-spirited, asshole

    I’m reminded of that picture of the Arminian genocide, where the guy is taunting the starving children with a piece of bread.

    but those aren’t his children, they’re the children of a different religion, so he taunts them and mocks their suffering.

    charming people these Jewish Zionists, eh?

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    ......how little things I read about often tweak me
     
    You must know not to believe everything you read, Rurik. Travel to Israel, visit the WB and Gaza and you will see for yourself the reality, not the carefully staged photo-journalism produced by Pallywood. Look, I am for the Pals having a state of their own. But there are conditions, most important ones being security and Jerusalem.

    Like if you have two children, one Jewish and one Arab, and you’re responsible for both those children’s welfare, (as the government of Israel is legally bound to be for both the Jewish citizens and the Palestinians they occupy). Right?
     
    Agreed.

    Ok, then what happens is when I hear the word chocolate, I can’t help but think of how the petty, black-hearted scum in the Israeli government decided that one of the things they were going to specifically prevent from getting into Gaza was chocolate. of all things.
     
    Oh, the irony! Chocolate was not exempt from the restrictions initially but was later made exempt. In fact Gaza is overflowing with chocolate.

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/12/gaza-siege-ban-chocolate-stores.html

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/snickers-chocolate-bars-burned-hamas-fire-gaza-recall/


    And I’m sitting there thinking, here’s this shining light unto the nations, and there are two children there, and one is Jewish and the other is Arab. And then the man who’s responsible for the welfare of both these children, gives to the Jewish child two pieces of chocolate candy, and to the other nothing. And I think what a rat. What a petty, mean-spirited, asshole

     

    I am assuming you speak of Jewish citizens and Arab citizens. Palestinians are the responsibility of the PA which receives generous help from international sources [you might imagine who that is] including Israel. A significant portion of this assistance goes to assist the bank accounts of the PA leadership. I state that as a simple matter of fact.

    Arab citizens of Israel are entitled to benefits very similar to the ones enjoyed by Blacks in this nation, essentially from cradle to grave. The 'Arab List' gets about a 15% representation in the Israeli parliament. There are Arab judges in Israel. Interestingly, there is no compulsory military service for Arabs, although many volunteer. So you might say, all in all, they have their chocolate and eat it too. I don't begrudge that at all, but only wish to highlight the truth.

    That picture, which you claimed from the archives of the Armenian genocide, does that depict a Jewish man holding the bread?

    , @L.K
    You know Rurik,

    Sham is basically treating you like an idiot. I think you deserve it.

    He writes : "You must know not to believe everything you read, Rurik. Travel to Israel, visit the WB and Gaza and you will see for yourself the reality, not the carefully staged photo-journalism produced by Pallywood."

    Sh*t Rurik, Pallywood , eh???? The cheek this zionist rat has!

    Retired US Colonel P. Lang, decorated former special forces and Vietnam vet, did visit the West Bank several times. Some of what he observed:


    In Beit Suhur outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian Christian women hanging out laundry in their gardens. This was done with tank coaxial machine guns from within a bermed up dirt fort a couple of hundred yards away, and evidently just for the fun of it.

    In Bethlehem a lieutenant told me that he would have had his men shoot me in the street during a demonstration that I happened to get caught in, but that he had not because he thought I might not be a Palestinian and that if I were not the incident would have caused him some trouble. I have seen a lot of things like that....

    In my travels in the west Bank in March of 2008, it was noticeable that the behavior towards Palestinian civilians of IDF troops at roadblocks was reminiscent of that of any group of post-adolescents given guns and allowed to bully the helpless in order to look tough for each other.
     
    Nah, Colonel Lang is just another member of 'Pallywood'!
    The same goes for the many IDF soldiers who have been speaking out about the brutality of the zionist occupation:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/08/israel-soldiers-speak-out-brutality-palestine-occupation

    One could go on providing example after example by Westerners and even many Jews who have been to Palestine or live there, but in the end, what's the point, eh?
    It's all 'staged photo-journalism by pallywood'! After all, we all know how powerful and influent the 'pals' are , eh?
    , @Z-man
    Love this post! Too all like minded free thinkers, share this on the internet!
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  • Sam Shama says:
    @Rurik
    Hey Sam, the thing about bringing up chocolate for me, vis-a-vis the occupied territories, is how little things I read about often tweak me, for their pettiness and snarky cruelty.

    Like if you have two children, one Jewish and one Arab, and you're responsible for both those children's welfare, (as the government of Israel is legally bound to be for both the Jewish citizens and the Palestinians they occupy). Right?

    Ok, then what happens is when I hear the word chocolate, I can't help but think of how the petty, black-hearted scum in the Israeli government decided that one of the things they were going to specifically prevent from getting into Gaza was chocolate. of all things.

    And I'm sitting there thinking, here's this shining light unto the nations, and there are two children there, and one is Jewish and the other is Arab. And then the man who's responsible for the welfare of both these children, gives to the Jewish child two pieces of chocolate candy, and to the other nothing. And I think what a rat. What a petty, mean-spirited, asshole

    I'm reminded of that picture of the Arminian genocide, where the guy is taunting the starving children with a piece of bread.

    http://www.gazetawarszawska.com/images/armenian_genocide_16.jpg

    but those aren't his children, they're the children of a different religion, so he taunts them and mocks their suffering.

    charming people these Jewish Zionists, eh?

    ……how little things I read about often tweak me

    You must know not to believe everything you read, Rurik. Travel to Israel, visit the WB and Gaza and you will see for yourself the reality, not the carefully staged photo-journalism produced by Pallywood. Look, I am for the Pals having a state of their own. But there are conditions, most important ones being security and Jerusalem.

    Like if you have two children, one Jewish and one Arab, and you’re responsible for both those children’s welfare, (as the government of Israel is legally bound to be for both the Jewish citizens and the Palestinians they occupy). Right?

    Agreed.

    Ok, then what happens is when I hear the word chocolate, I can’t help but think of how the petty, black-hearted scum in the Israeli government decided that one of the things they were going to specifically prevent from getting into Gaza was chocolate. of all things.

    Oh, the irony! Chocolate was not exempt from the restrictions initially but was later made exempt. In fact Gaza is overflowing with chocolate.

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/12/gaza-siege-ban-chocolate-stores.html

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/snickers-chocolate-bars-burned-hamas-fire-gaza-recall/

    And I’m sitting there thinking, here’s this shining light unto the nations, and there are two children there, and one is Jewish and the other is Arab. And then the man who’s responsible for the welfare of both these children, gives to the Jewish child two pieces of chocolate candy, and to the other nothing. And I think what a rat. What a petty, mean-spirited, asshole

    I am assuming you speak of Jewish citizens and Arab citizens. Palestinians are the responsibility of the PA which receives generous help from international sources [you might imagine who that is] including Israel. A significant portion of this assistance goes to assist the bank accounts of the PA leadership. I state that as a simple matter of fact.

    Arab citizens of Israel are entitled to benefits very similar to the ones enjoyed by Blacks in this nation, essentially from cradle to grave. The ‘Arab List’ gets about a 15% representation in the Israeli parliament. There are Arab judges in Israel. Interestingly, there is no compulsory military service for Arabs, although many volunteer. So you might say, all in all, they have their chocolate and eat it too. I don’t begrudge that at all, but only wish to highlight the truth.

    That picture, which you claimed from the archives of the Armenian genocide, does that depict a Jewish man holding the bread?

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    Pals having a state of their own. But there are conditions, most important ones being security and Jerusalem.
     
    Jerusalem?

    Oh, the irony! Chocolate was not exempt from the restrictions
     
    geeze Sam. Just say it. Chocolate was banned. Along with toys and other trifles as a petty torment. The kinds of petty torments, like forcing people to stand in long lines at check points or drive on separate roads that are intended to humiliate these people. There was no military justification for banning chocolate. Petty torments, like a man holding food in front of starving children, taunting them.

    I state that as a simple matter of fact.
     
    or to impugn their character?

    So you might say, all in all, they have their chocolate and eat it too.
     
    I'll call that your 'let them eat cake' moment

    does that depict a Jewish man holding the bread?
     
    Don't know. I simply posted it as an example of a callous asshole, like the kind that would prevent the children of Gaza, who suffer so much, to even enjoy a meager moment of pleasure in their otherwise destitute lives.

    I don't have to go to Gaza to know that life there must be nearly intolerable. Not on the surface perhaps, but deep in their souls, knowing that they've been robbed of everything. Their land, their homes, their sovereignty and their dignity. And ignored by the vile Arab governments and the sanctimonious Zio-West. May they all rot in hell.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9s7t_rM9fY

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    My point was that a few isolated killings may well be just thst : nothing to do with [Israeli] government beforehand and also telling us little about the [Zionist] society they take place in.
     
    that may be your point wiz, but you'd nevertheless be wrong.

    the slaughter of Palestinians, for instance during Operation Cast Lead, were perpetrated by the Israeli government. Hardly what anyone would call "isolated killings".

    Menachem Begin and Ben-Gurion were flat out terrorists. Ehud Barak was an assassin.

    I'd say that tends to reflect somewhat on the kind of society that Israel is, and the nature of their voting public, no?

    these guys are not crazed settlers carrying out an illegal attack on some Palestinian grandmother, they're uniformed soldiers (cowards) in the IDF

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5T-hKpDSrg

    Your illogical reply makes you sound obsessive.

    I say “A may be true” and you say “You are wrong: B is not true”. I don’t know how to handle that.

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    I say “A may be true” and you say “You are wrong: B is not true”. I don’t know how to handle that.
     
    you said:


    My point was that a few isolated killings may well be just thst : nothing to do with [Israeli] government
     
    I responded that such a suggestion is bullshit. And that the government (and society) are not just complicit and guilty, but fully to blame, at least insofar as they support the Likudniks.
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    @Greasy William

    Where and when precisely did the Rambam call for the elimination of Palestinians? Can you reference the source?
     
    He said that the Land of Israel needed to be forcibly taken from "Ishmael". Not just that the Land should be conquered, but that the inhabitants needed to be dispossessed with only those who accepted Jewish sovereignty being allowed to remain. Obviously he didn't call them Palestinians.

    He said that the Land of Israel needed to be forcibly taken from “Ishmael”. Not just that the Land should be conquered, but that the inhabitants needed to be dispossessed with only those who accepted Jewish sovereignty being allowed to remain. Obviously he didn’t call them Palestinians.

    The fact you drew a comparison in your earlier post between Palestinians and Canaanites of yore, I shall let pass, but your narrative is flawed as far as I remember. Maimonides had written to Jews in Yemen an impassioned account of the mistreatment received by the small Jewish minority at the hands of muslims. That was during the rule of Salahadin. He wrote of this injustice and encouraged Jews to not forget their misery and even voice their complaints to Salahadin.

    I’ll research this further and return with references. You, I hope, will do the same.

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    The fact you drew a comparison in your earlier post between Palestinians and Canaanites of yor, I shall let pass,
     
    What exactly is the difference between the Palestinians and the Canaanites except that the Palestinians have an even weaker claim to the Land than the Canaanites did?

    The Epistle to Yemen is a non-sequitur, what do the Jews in Yemen have to do with the Land of Israel?

    I'm not going to dig up a citation, but that Maimonides said that conquest of the Land of Israel and the expulsion of it's inhabitants was a binding Commandment on all generations of Jews is very well known. If you disagree with Maimonides position, that's fine, I disagree with a lot of stuff Maimonides wrote, but denying that he said it is ridiculous.
    , @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    Wouldn't that have been the Almohads? They were the extremists of their age and took over Spain, causing most Jews to flee, including Rambam. Rambam (aka OG Thugg according to Greasy) settled in Cairo and worked for Sultan Salahuddin (ra). Was he oppressed by him? Maybe I don't understand.

    Peace.

    , @Talha
    Forget it - I just looked up "Epistle to Yemen" so I figured it out.
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    He said that the Land of Israel needed to be forcibly taken from “Ishmael”. Not just that the Land should be conquered, but that the inhabitants needed to be dispossessed with only those who accepted Jewish sovereignty being allowed to remain. Obviously he didn’t call them Palestinians.
     
    The fact you drew a comparison in your earlier post between Palestinians and Canaanites of yore, I shall let pass, but your narrative is flawed as far as I remember. Maimonides had written to Jews in Yemen an impassioned account of the mistreatment received by the small Jewish minority at the hands of muslims. That was during the rule of Salahadin. He wrote of this injustice and encouraged Jews to not forget their misery and even voice their complaints to Salahadin.

    I'll research this further and return with references. You, I hope, will do the same.

    The fact you drew a comparison in your earlier post between Palestinians and Canaanites of yor, I shall let pass,

    What exactly is the difference between the Palestinians and the Canaanites except that the Palestinians have an even weaker claim to the Land than the Canaanites did?

    The Epistle to Yemen is a non-sequitur, what do the Jews in Yemen have to do with the Land of Israel?

    I’m not going to dig up a citation, but that Maimonides said that conquest of the Land of Israel and the expulsion of it’s inhabitants was a binding Commandment on all generations of Jews is very well known. If you disagree with Maimonides position, that’s fine, I disagree with a lot of stuff Maimonides wrote, but denying that he said it is ridiculous.

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    @Sam Shama

    ......how little things I read about often tweak me
     
    You must know not to believe everything you read, Rurik. Travel to Israel, visit the WB and Gaza and you will see for yourself the reality, not the carefully staged photo-journalism produced by Pallywood. Look, I am for the Pals having a state of their own. But there are conditions, most important ones being security and Jerusalem.

    Like if you have two children, one Jewish and one Arab, and you’re responsible for both those children’s welfare, (as the government of Israel is legally bound to be for both the Jewish citizens and the Palestinians they occupy). Right?
     
    Agreed.

    Ok, then what happens is when I hear the word chocolate, I can’t help but think of how the petty, black-hearted scum in the Israeli government decided that one of the things they were going to specifically prevent from getting into Gaza was chocolate. of all things.
     
    Oh, the irony! Chocolate was not exempt from the restrictions initially but was later made exempt. In fact Gaza is overflowing with chocolate.

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/12/gaza-siege-ban-chocolate-stores.html

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/snickers-chocolate-bars-burned-hamas-fire-gaza-recall/


    And I’m sitting there thinking, here’s this shining light unto the nations, and there are two children there, and one is Jewish and the other is Arab. And then the man who’s responsible for the welfare of both these children, gives to the Jewish child two pieces of chocolate candy, and to the other nothing. And I think what a rat. What a petty, mean-spirited, asshole

     

    I am assuming you speak of Jewish citizens and Arab citizens. Palestinians are the responsibility of the PA which receives generous help from international sources [you might imagine who that is] including Israel. A significant portion of this assistance goes to assist the bank accounts of the PA leadership. I state that as a simple matter of fact.

    Arab citizens of Israel are entitled to benefits very similar to the ones enjoyed by Blacks in this nation, essentially from cradle to grave. The 'Arab List' gets about a 15% representation in the Israeli parliament. There are Arab judges in Israel. Interestingly, there is no compulsory military service for Arabs, although many volunteer. So you might say, all in all, they have their chocolate and eat it too. I don't begrudge that at all, but only wish to highlight the truth.

    That picture, which you claimed from the archives of the Armenian genocide, does that depict a Jewish man holding the bread?

    Pals having a state of their own. But there are conditions, most important ones being security and Jerusalem.

    Jerusalem?

    Oh, the irony! Chocolate was not exempt from the restrictions

    geeze Sam. Just say it. Chocolate was banned. Along with toys and other trifles as a petty torment. The kinds of petty torments, like forcing people to stand in long lines at check points or drive on separate roads that are intended to humiliate these people. There was no military justification for banning chocolate. Petty torments, like a man holding food in front of starving children, taunting them.

    I state that as a simple matter of fact.

    or to impugn their character?

    So you might say, all in all, they have their chocolate and eat it too.

    I’ll call that your ‘let them eat cake’ moment

    does that depict a Jewish man holding the bread?

    Don’t know. I simply posted it as an example of a callous asshole, like the kind that would prevent the children of Gaza, who suffer so much, to even enjoy a meager moment of pleasure in their otherwise destitute lives.

    I don’t have to go to Gaza to know that life there must be nearly intolerable. Not on the surface perhaps, but deep in their souls, knowing that they’ve been robbed of everything. Their land, their homes, their sovereignty and their dignity. And ignored by the vile Arab governments and the sanctimonious Zio-West. May they all rot in hell.

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    I don’t have to go to Gaza to know that life there must be nearly intolerable. Not on the surface perhaps
     
    Not on the surface? Surely, you jest?

    http://themillenniumreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/gaza-wreckage.jpg

    , @Eagle Eye

    I don’t have to go to Gaza to know that life there must be nearly intolerable. Not on the surface perhaps, but deep in their souls, knowing that they’ve been robbed of everything. Their land, their homes, their sovereignty and their dignity. And ignored by the vile Arab governments ...
     
    Ah yes, deep in their souls, all that's left, other than a yearning for chocolate and whisky, is

    the knowledge that they've been robbed of everything.
     
    (Excuse me while I go find a tissue.)

    Uh, maybe you're unaware of a few facts.

    The Gazans live in their home territory of Gaza, in their own homes, ruled over by the Muslim Hamas thugocracy, the women terrorized into hiding their faces and submitting to the resurgence of polygamy.

    BTW did you read the recent piece in the NYT about how Hamas terrorizes gays and Christians in Gaza? Or is the NYT keeping quiet about this, as they did for about a year about the holocaust, and for decades about the "kulak" genocide in the USSR that was hushed by by Walter Duranty?

    , @Eagle Eye

    I don’t have to go to Gaza to know that life there must be nearly intolerable.
     
    You "don't have to go to Gaza to know" that he population of Gaza more than quintupled from 1970 to 2014, from 340,000 to 1,820,000, according to U.S. Census (!) figures.

    You "don't have to go to Gaza to know" that the place is five times more intolerable now than in 1970. The only known industries are rocket building and tunnel digging.

    On the plus side, they now get more U.S. and EU money and, can buy plenty of chocolate.

    As a little consolation, you "don't have to go to Gaza to know" about chocolate. You can just buy chocolate at any gas station.

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  • Rurik says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz
    Your illogical reply makes you sound obsessive.

    I say "A may be true" and you say "You are wrong: B is not true". I don't know how to handle that.

    I say “A may be true” and you say “You are wrong: B is not true”. I don’t know how to handle that.

    you said:

    My point was that a few isolated killings may well be just thst : nothing to do with [Israeli] government

    I responded that such a suggestion is bullshit. And that the government (and society) are not just complicit and guilty, but fully to blame, at least insofar as they support the Likudniks.

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    Hey Sam, the thing about bringing up chocolate for me, vis-a-vis the occupied territories, is how little things I read about often tweak me, for their pettiness and snarky cruelty.

    Like if you have two children, one Jewish and one Arab, and you're responsible for both those children's welfare, (as the government of Israel is legally bound to be for both the Jewish citizens and the Palestinians they occupy). Right?

    Ok, then what happens is when I hear the word chocolate, I can't help but think of how the petty, black-hearted scum in the Israeli government decided that one of the things they were going to specifically prevent from getting into Gaza was chocolate. of all things.

    And I'm sitting there thinking, here's this shining light unto the nations, and there are two children there, and one is Jewish and the other is Arab. And then the man who's responsible for the welfare of both these children, gives to the Jewish child two pieces of chocolate candy, and to the other nothing. And I think what a rat. What a petty, mean-spirited, asshole

    I'm reminded of that picture of the Arminian genocide, where the guy is taunting the starving children with a piece of bread.

    http://www.gazetawarszawska.com/images/armenian_genocide_16.jpg

    but those aren't his children, they're the children of a different religion, so he taunts them and mocks their suffering.

    charming people these Jewish Zionists, eh?

    You know Rurik,

    Sham is basically treating you like an idiot. I think you deserve it.

    He writes : “You must know not to believe everything you read, Rurik. Travel to Israel, visit the WB and Gaza and you will see for yourself the reality, not the carefully staged photo-journalism produced by Pallywood.”

    Sh*t Rurik, Pallywood , eh???? The cheek this zionist rat has!

    Retired US Colonel P. Lang, decorated former special forces and Vietnam vet, did visit the West Bank several times. Some of what he observed:

    In Beit Suhur outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian Christian women hanging out laundry in their gardens. This was done with tank coaxial machine guns from within a bermed up dirt fort a couple of hundred yards away, and evidently just for the fun of it.

    In Bethlehem a lieutenant told me that he would have had his men shoot me in the street during a demonstration that I happened to get caught in, but that he had not because he thought I might not be a Palestinian and that if I were not the incident would have caused him some trouble. I have seen a lot of things like that….

    In my travels in the west Bank in March of 2008, it was noticeable that the behavior towards Palestinian civilians of IDF troops at roadblocks was reminiscent of that of any group of post-adolescents given guns and allowed to bully the helpless in order to look tough for each other.

    Nah, Colonel Lang is just another member of ‘Pallywood’!
    The same goes for the many IDF soldiers who have been speaking out about the brutality of the zionist occupation:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/08/israel-soldiers-speak-out-brutality-palestine-occupation

    One could go on providing example after example by Westerners and even many Jews who have been to Palestine or live there, but in the end, what’s the point, eh?
    It’s all ‘staged photo-journalism by pallywood’! After all, we all know how powerful and influent the ‘pals’ are , eh?

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    carefully staged photo-journalism produced by Pallywood.”

    Sh*t Rurik, Pallywood , eh???? The cheek this zionist rat has!
     
    you're right that Shama is twerking the narrative with chutzpah, and amusing himself by doing so no doubt, but as long as he wants to play the foil, then why not use him to bounce the truth off of and send it flinging into the blogosphere?

    who's playing whom?
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  • Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    He said that the Land of Israel needed to be forcibly taken from “Ishmael”. Not just that the Land should be conquered, but that the inhabitants needed to be dispossessed with only those who accepted Jewish sovereignty being allowed to remain. Obviously he didn’t call them Palestinians.
     
    The fact you drew a comparison in your earlier post between Palestinians and Canaanites of yore, I shall let pass, but your narrative is flawed as far as I remember. Maimonides had written to Jews in Yemen an impassioned account of the mistreatment received by the small Jewish minority at the hands of muslims. That was during the rule of Salahadin. He wrote of this injustice and encouraged Jews to not forget their misery and even voice their complaints to Salahadin.

    I'll research this further and return with references. You, I hope, will do the same.

    Hey Sam,

    Wouldn’t that have been the Almohads? They were the extremists of their age and took over Spain, causing most Jews to flee, including Rambam. Rambam (aka OG Thugg according to Greasy) settled in Cairo and worked for Sultan Salahuddin (ra). Was he oppressed by him? Maybe I don’t understand.

    Peace.

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    @L.K
    You know Rurik,

    Sham is basically treating you like an idiot. I think you deserve it.

    He writes : "You must know not to believe everything you read, Rurik. Travel to Israel, visit the WB and Gaza and you will see for yourself the reality, not the carefully staged photo-journalism produced by Pallywood."

    Sh*t Rurik, Pallywood , eh???? The cheek this zionist rat has!

    Retired US Colonel P. Lang, decorated former special forces and Vietnam vet, did visit the West Bank several times. Some of what he observed:


    In Beit Suhur outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian Christian women hanging out laundry in their gardens. This was done with tank coaxial machine guns from within a bermed up dirt fort a couple of hundred yards away, and evidently just for the fun of it.

    In Bethlehem a lieutenant told me that he would have had his men shoot me in the street during a demonstration that I happened to get caught in, but that he had not because he thought I might not be a Palestinian and that if I were not the incident would have caused him some trouble. I have seen a lot of things like that....

    In my travels in the west Bank in March of 2008, it was noticeable that the behavior towards Palestinian civilians of IDF troops at roadblocks was reminiscent of that of any group of post-adolescents given guns and allowed to bully the helpless in order to look tough for each other.
     
    Nah, Colonel Lang is just another member of 'Pallywood'!
    The same goes for the many IDF soldiers who have been speaking out about the brutality of the zionist occupation:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/08/israel-soldiers-speak-out-brutality-palestine-occupation

    One could go on providing example after example by Westerners and even many Jews who have been to Palestine or live there, but in the end, what's the point, eh?
    It's all 'staged photo-journalism by pallywood'! After all, we all know how powerful and influent the 'pals' are , eh?

    carefully staged photo-journalism produced by Pallywood.”

    Sh*t Rurik, Pallywood , eh???? The cheek this zionist rat has!

    you’re right that Shama is twerking the narrative with chutzpah, and amusing himself by doing so no doubt, but as long as he wants to play the foil, then why not use him to bounce the truth off of and send it flinging into the blogosphere?

    who’s playing whom?

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    @Sam Shama

    He said that the Land of Israel needed to be forcibly taken from “Ishmael”. Not just that the Land should be conquered, but that the inhabitants needed to be dispossessed with only those who accepted Jewish sovereignty being allowed to remain. Obviously he didn’t call them Palestinians.
     
    The fact you drew a comparison in your earlier post between Palestinians and Canaanites of yore, I shall let pass, but your narrative is flawed as far as I remember. Maimonides had written to Jews in Yemen an impassioned account of the mistreatment received by the small Jewish minority at the hands of muslims. That was during the rule of Salahadin. He wrote of this injustice and encouraged Jews to not forget their misery and even voice their complaints to Salahadin.

    I'll research this further and return with references. You, I hope, will do the same.

    Forget it – I just looked up “Epistle to Yemen” so I figured it out.

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  • geokat62 says:
    @Rurik

    Pals having a state of their own. But there are conditions, most important ones being security and Jerusalem.
     
    Jerusalem?

    Oh, the irony! Chocolate was not exempt from the restrictions
     
    geeze Sam. Just say it. Chocolate was banned. Along with toys and other trifles as a petty torment. The kinds of petty torments, like forcing people to stand in long lines at check points or drive on separate roads that are intended to humiliate these people. There was no military justification for banning chocolate. Petty torments, like a man holding food in front of starving children, taunting them.

    I state that as a simple matter of fact.
     
    or to impugn their character?

    So you might say, all in all, they have their chocolate and eat it too.
     
    I'll call that your 'let them eat cake' moment

    does that depict a Jewish man holding the bread?
     
    Don't know. I simply posted it as an example of a callous asshole, like the kind that would prevent the children of Gaza, who suffer so much, to even enjoy a meager moment of pleasure in their otherwise destitute lives.

    I don't have to go to Gaza to know that life there must be nearly intolerable. Not on the surface perhaps, but deep in their souls, knowing that they've been robbed of everything. Their land, their homes, their sovereignty and their dignity. And ignored by the vile Arab governments and the sanctimonious Zio-West. May they all rot in hell.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9s7t_rM9fY

    I don’t have to go to Gaza to know that life there must be nearly intolerable. Not on the surface perhaps

    Not on the surface? Surely, you jest?

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    Oh, I know about that Geo. I've seen it and worse. But if you go to Gaza, they'll take you to a café or some mall where there's the illusion of normalcy. A child will play and laugh even, and a couple will sip, well whatever it is they sip over there.

    But the real damage is what you can't see. The despair. The crushing injustice and iniquities that permeate their existence.

    They're not just oppressed by a normal occupier, like England in India, where the authorities were no doubt severe at times, but there was no malice that I know of.

    compare that to a people who're occupied by the likes of Sherman or Greasy. Did you see that video I posted of the giggly IDF coward dancing around and terrorizing the blindfolded young Palestinian woman? How hard is it to imagine Sherman in that uniform, rubbing up on that woman to the cheers of his coward buddies.

    It's what that girl takes home with her that I'm talking about. What's inside her when she goes home and sees that the Jews have bulldozed her family home and her mother and sister and doing all they can to stay strong, but then her little sister breaks down and starts crying in utter despair. They took her father and two brothers away for protesting the demolition, and they may never see them again.

    You can't see that kind of anguish in a picture. You can't understand what it's like to find out your fifteen year old child was murdered and his organs removed to augment the life of a Jew, like the ones living lavishly in your ancient home- subsidized by the American and German tax payer.

    Anyways, I don't want to get too sentimental here, I just wanted to point out that the real wrongs committed in Gaza and the occupied territories aren't always the busted desolation and smoking ruins in the streets, but rather its the desolation in the hearts of these people who've been so cruelly abandoned by the rest of the world to this horrible fate.
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    @geokat62

    I don’t have to go to Gaza to know that life there must be nearly intolerable. Not on the surface perhaps
     
    Not on the surface? Surely, you jest?

    http://themillenniumreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/gaza-wreckage.jpg

    Oh, I know about that Geo. I’ve seen it and worse. But if you go to Gaza, they’ll take you to a café or some mall where there’s the illusion of normalcy. A child will play and laugh even, and a couple will sip, well whatever it is they sip over there.

    But the real damage is what you can’t see. The despair. The crushing injustice and iniquities that permeate their existence.

    They’re not just oppressed by a normal occupier, like England in India, where the authorities were no doubt severe at times, but there was no malice that I know of.

    compare that to a people who’re occupied by the likes of Sherman or Greasy. Did you see that video I posted of the giggly IDF coward dancing around and terrorizing the blindfolded young Palestinian woman? How hard is it to imagine Sherman in that uniform, rubbing up on that woman to the cheers of his coward buddies.

    It’s what that girl takes home with her that I’m talking about. What’s inside her when she goes home and sees that the Jews have bulldozed her family home and her mother and sister and doing all they can to stay strong, but then her little sister breaks down and starts crying in utter despair. They took her father and two brothers away for protesting the demolition, and they may never see them again.

    You can’t see that kind of anguish in a picture. You can’t understand what it’s like to find out your fifteen year old child was murdered and his organs removed to augment the life of a Jew, like the ones living lavishly in your ancient home- subsidized by the American and German tax payer.

    Anyways, I don’t want to get too sentimental here, I just wanted to point out that the real wrongs committed in Gaza and the occupied territories aren’t always the busted desolation and smoking ruins in the streets, but rather its the desolation in the hearts of these people who’ve been so cruelly abandoned by the rest of the world to this horrible fate.

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    It’s what that girl takes home with her that I’m talking about. What’s inside her when she goes home and sees that the Jews have bulldozed her family home and her mother and sister and doing all they can to stay strong, but then her little sister breaks down and starts crying in utter despair. They took her father and two brothers away for protesting the demolition, and they may never see them again.
     
    Should have thought of that before they started illegally squatting on the Land that G-d promised to us.

    Anyways, I don’t want to get too sentimental here, I just wanted to point out that the real wrongs committed in Gaza and the occupied territories aren’t always the busted desolation and smoking ruins in the streets, but rather its the desolation in the hearts of these people who’ve been so cruelly abandoned by the rest of the world to this horrible fate.
     
    Lol, yes. It's true. Your fellow goyim don't care about the Palestinian dogs. But even if they did, what would y'all do about it? We've got 150 nuclear warheads and who knows how many more biological and chemical ones. You couldn't touch us even if you wanted to.

    But the fact that you think that contemporary Israelis are being excessively cruel to the Palestinians is so far beyond ridiculous it just beggars belief. The ONLY reason the Palestinian people still exist at all is because of the weakness and faithlessness of the Israeli secular population. A population that is rapidly disappearing.

    In 30 years, the Land of Israel will be ruled by the Torah True and then you won't see any more "crimes" against the Palestinians because there simply will be no Palestinians at all. And there is nothing you can do about it.

    The Canaanites are all dead. The Palestinians will be joining them shortly. I pray only that you will live to see it.
    , @Eagle Eye

    A child will play and laugh even, ...

    the blindfolded young Palestinian woman ...

    It’s what that girl ...

    ... and her mother and sister and doing all they can to stay strong, but then her little sister ...
     

    Awwww! Ain't it sweet!

    But, uh, where are the menfolk? Or have they achieved immaculate conception, the ideal of all Western feminists?

    They took her father and two brothers away for protesting the demolition, and they may never see them again.

     

    Ah, of course, evil Israelis blew up their house and took the poor little boys away even though they dindu nuffink.


    ... your fifteen year old child was murdered and his organs removed ...

    Anyways, I don’t want to get too sentimental here, ...

     

    No, of course not, you are not the kind of guy who gets sentimental over cynical Pallywood propaganda stunts.


    ...the desolation in the hearts of these people who’ve been so cruelly abandoned by the rest of the world to this horrible fate.
     

    Truly desolate. And after all that the Palestinians have done over the centuries for all the oppressed and abandoned on this earth.

    The story is almost as sad as that of "Little Nell" about whom Oscar Wilde famously said:

    “One must have a heart of stone to read the death of little Nell without laughing.”

     

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    Oh, I know about that Geo. I've seen it and worse. But if you go to Gaza, they'll take you to a café or some mall where there's the illusion of normalcy. A child will play and laugh even, and a couple will sip, well whatever it is they sip over there.

    But the real damage is what you can't see. The despair. The crushing injustice and iniquities that permeate their existence.

    They're not just oppressed by a normal occupier, like England in India, where the authorities were no doubt severe at times, but there was no malice that I know of.

    compare that to a people who're occupied by the likes of Sherman or Greasy. Did you see that video I posted of the giggly IDF coward dancing around and terrorizing the blindfolded young Palestinian woman? How hard is it to imagine Sherman in that uniform, rubbing up on that woman to the cheers of his coward buddies.

    It's what that girl takes home with her that I'm talking about. What's inside her when she goes home and sees that the Jews have bulldozed her family home and her mother and sister and doing all they can to stay strong, but then her little sister breaks down and starts crying in utter despair. They took her father and two brothers away for protesting the demolition, and they may never see them again.

    You can't see that kind of anguish in a picture. You can't understand what it's like to find out your fifteen year old child was murdered and his organs removed to augment the life of a Jew, like the ones living lavishly in your ancient home- subsidized by the American and German tax payer.

    Anyways, I don't want to get too sentimental here, I just wanted to point out that the real wrongs committed in Gaza and the occupied territories aren't always the busted desolation and smoking ruins in the streets, but rather its the desolation in the hearts of these people who've been so cruelly abandoned by the rest of the world to this horrible fate.

    It’s what that girl takes home with her that I’m talking about. What’s inside her when she goes home and sees that the Jews have bulldozed her family home and her mother and sister and doing all they can to stay strong, but then her little sister breaks down and starts crying in utter despair. They took her father and two brothers away for protesting the demolition, and they may never see them again.

    Should have thought of that before they started illegally squatting on the Land that G-d promised to us.

    Anyways, I don’t want to get too sentimental here, I just wanted to point out that the real wrongs committed in Gaza and the occupied territories aren’t always the busted desolation and smoking ruins in the streets, but rather its the desolation in the hearts of these people who’ve been so cruelly abandoned by the rest of the world to this horrible fate.

    Lol, yes. It’s true. Your fellow goyim don’t care about the Palestinian dogs. But even if they did, what would y’all do about it? We’ve got 150 nuclear warheads and who knows how many more biological and chemical ones. You couldn’t touch us even if you wanted to.

    But the fact that you think that contemporary Israelis are being excessively cruel to the Palestinians is so far beyond ridiculous it just beggars belief. The ONLY reason the Palestinian people still exist at all is because of the weakness and faithlessness of the Israeli secular population. A population that is rapidly disappearing.

    In 30 years, the Land of Israel will be ruled by the Torah True and then you won’t see any more “crimes” against the Palestinians because there simply will be no Palestinians at all. And there is nothing you can do about it.

    The Canaanites are all dead. The Palestinians will be joining them shortly. I pray only that you will live to see it.

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    The ONLY reason the Palestinian people still exist at all is because of the weakness and faithlessness of the Israeli secular population.

    ahh Greasy, but that’s where you’re wrong

    I’ve given this a little thought, and I’ve come to the summation that there was always a reason for keeping a certain number of Palestinians alive.

    They needed them, you see. You need them. The Palestinian people are a necessity to the Jewish, Zionist id. A requirement, if you will. Yes, they had to be subjugated, and rendered absolutely powerless, but they also had to be kept that way for perpetuity. It is an absolute necessity for the Jews to be able to humiliate another people. Without them, who would the Jews torment as a sign that their god favors them, eh Greasy? If there were only Jews in Israel, how would the Jews express their ‘superiority’ over others, as the Torah and Talmud demand? As sure as you’re sitting there at your computer, you know as well as I do that they’d eat their own. In no time flat the Sephardic Jews with darker skin and a lower IQ would be targeted as the children of Ishmael. Or the secular Jews with their worship of Globohomoism. Isn’t that right Greasy?

    But with the Palestinians there to murder and humiliate, the Jews as are happy as pigs in shit. All the angst they feel at being what and who they are, can be ameliorated by punishing the Pals, and lording it over them.

    Your founders knew what they were doing when they left a certain amount of Arabs alive. They knew the Jewish pathological need to kick others and impose themselves upon others, or what’s the point?

    So yea Greasy, if you’re hoping for the day that the last Palestinian is murdered, then you’ll be waiting a long time. The people who set up Israel understood the Jewish id far better than you think they did. The Pals are part of you. They’re a necessary part of the expression of your identity, going back to your psychotic god of hatred and vengeance and wrath. Your entire identity is based around enemies and genocide and slaughtering others and stealing their property. If you kill all the Arabs, your Passover Seders will feel empty and drab. Who would you torment and grind down and persecute?

    You’d be like a cruel teenage boy with no cat to set on fire. Like a vicious psychopathic orc with only a sex doll to rape and brutalize. It just wouldn’t be the same.

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    Plus, Who would build the chosen's houses in the land they stole?

    Who Is Building Israel's Homes?
    There are around 50,000 foreign workers in the trade, of whom 82% are Palestinians

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/.premium-1.652117

    ...So far, the venture has trained about 1,000 workers( Israelis ), of whom 700 went to work. (Training is four months and when the newly trained workers actually start to work and see that the profession is a hard one, many drop out.)
    ...
    Meni Daboosh, 24, of Kfar Sava, a deputy site manager at a Tidhar project in Be’er Yaakov, is one with doubts. He’d like more Israelis in construction, but as a manager feels they can be less reliable than Chinese, European or Palestinian workers. Many Israelis shy from the hard work, he says. “Also, Israeli workers play tricks with you. You give them a job, even a pretty simple one; come back 20 minutes later and discover that the guy’s been smoking a cigarette or playing on his smartphone the whole time. Why would a manager want workers who demand more money and have less output? That may change, but that’s how it is now.”


    :-)
    , @Eagle Eye

    You’d be like a cruel teenage boy with no cat to set on fire. Like a vicious psychopathic orc with only a sex doll to rape and brutalize.
     
    For the benefit of less us experienced readers, could you explain how the perpetrator of such acts feels?

    After all, empathy and feelings are apparently quite important to you.

    Is there a Pallywood movie on this theme that you can recommend?

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  • Eagle Eye says:
    @Rurik
    Oh, I know about that Geo. I've seen it and worse. But if you go to Gaza, they'll take you to a café or some mall where there's the illusion of normalcy. A child will play and laugh even, and a couple will sip, well whatever it is they sip over there.

    But the real damage is what you can't see. The despair. The crushing injustice and iniquities that permeate their existence.

    They're not just oppressed by a normal occupier, like England in India, where the authorities were no doubt severe at times, but there was no malice that I know of.

    compare that to a people who're occupied by the likes of Sherman or Greasy. Did you see that video I posted of the giggly IDF coward dancing around and terrorizing the blindfolded young Palestinian woman? How hard is it to imagine Sherman in that uniform, rubbing up on that woman to the cheers of his coward buddies.

    It's what that girl takes home with her that I'm talking about. What's inside her when she goes home and sees that the Jews have bulldozed her family home and her mother and sister and doing all they can to stay strong, but then her little sister breaks down and starts crying in utter despair. They took her father and two brothers away for protesting the demolition, and they may never see them again.

    You can't see that kind of anguish in a picture. You can't understand what it's like to find out your fifteen year old child was murdered and his organs removed to augment the life of a Jew, like the ones living lavishly in your ancient home- subsidized by the American and German tax payer.

    Anyways, I don't want to get too sentimental here, I just wanted to point out that the real wrongs committed in Gaza and the occupied territories aren't always the busted desolation and smoking ruins in the streets, but rather its the desolation in the hearts of these people who've been so cruelly abandoned by the rest of the world to this horrible fate.

    A child will play and laugh even, …

    the blindfolded young Palestinian woman …

    It’s what that girl …

    … and her mother and sister and doing all they can to stay strong, but then her little sister …

    Awwww! Ain’t it sweet!

    But, uh, where are the menfolk? Or have they achieved immaculate conception, the ideal of all Western feminists?

    They took her father and two brothers away for protesting the demolition, and they may never see them again.

    Ah, of course, evil Israelis blew up their house and took the poor little boys away even though they dindu nuffink.

    … your fifteen year old child was murdered and his organs removed …

    Anyways, I don’t want to get too sentimental here, …

    No, of course not, you are not the kind of guy who gets sentimental over cynical Pallywood propaganda stunts.

    …the desolation in the hearts of these people who’ve been so cruelly abandoned by the rest of the world to this horrible fate.

    Truly desolate. And after all that the Palestinians have done over the centuries for all the oppressed and abandoned on this earth.

    The story is almost as sad as that of “Little Nell” about whom Oscar Wilde famously said:

    “One must have a heart of stone to read the death of little Nell without laughing.”

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  • L.K says:
    @Rurik

    The ONLY reason the Palestinian people still exist at all is because of the weakness and faithlessness of the Israeli secular population.
     
    ahh Greasy, but that's where you're wrong

    I've given this a little thought, and I've come to the summation that there was always a reason for keeping a certain number of Palestinians alive.

    They needed them, you see. You need them. The Palestinian people are a necessity to the Jewish, Zionist id. A requirement, if you will. Yes, they had to be subjugated, and rendered absolutely powerless, but they also had to be kept that way for perpetuity. It is an absolute necessity for the Jews to be able to humiliate another people. Without them, who would the Jews torment as a sign that their god favors them, eh Greasy? If there were only Jews in Israel, how would the Jews express their 'superiority' over others, as the Torah and Talmud demand? As sure as you're sitting there at your computer, you know as well as I do that they'd eat their own. In no time flat the Sephardic Jews with darker skin and a lower IQ would be targeted as the children of Ishmael. Or the secular Jews with their worship of Globohomoism. Isn't that right Greasy?

    But with the Palestinians there to murder and humiliate, the Jews as are happy as pigs in shit. All the angst they feel at being what and who they are, can be ameliorated by punishing the Pals, and lording it over them.

    Your founders knew what they were doing when they left a certain amount of Arabs alive. They knew the Jewish pathological need to kick others and impose themselves upon others, or what's the point?

    So yea Greasy, if you're hoping for the day that the last Palestinian is murdered, then you'll be waiting a long time. The people who set up Israel understood the Jewish id far better than you think they did. The Pals are part of you. They're a necessary part of the expression of your identity, going back to your psychotic god of hatred and vengeance and wrath. Your entire identity is based around enemies and genocide and slaughtering others and stealing their property. If you kill all the Arabs, your Passover Seders will feel empty and drab. Who would you torment and grind down and persecute?

    You'd be like a cruel teenage boy with no cat to set on fire. Like a vicious psychopathic orc with only a sex doll to rape and brutalize. It just wouldn't be the same.

    Plus, Who would build the chosen’s houses in the land they stole?

    Who Is Building Israel’s Homes?
    There are around 50,000 foreign workers in the trade, of whom 82% are Palestinians

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/.premium-1.652117

    …So far, the venture has trained about 1,000 workers( Israelis ), of whom 700 went to work. (Training is four months and when the newly trained workers actually start to work and see that the profession is a hard one, many drop out.)

    Meni Daboosh, 24, of Kfar Sava, a deputy site manager at a Tidhar project in Be’er Yaakov, is one with doubts. He’d like more Israelis in construction, but as a manager feels they can be less reliable than Chinese, European or Palestinian workers. Many Israelis shy from the hard work, he says. “Also, Israeli workers play tricks with you. You give them a job, even a pretty simple one; come back 20 minutes later and discover that the guy’s been smoking a cigarette or playing on his smartphone the whole time. Why would a manager want workers who demand more money and have less output? That may change, but that’s how it is now.”

    :-)

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    I think you are struggling with the obvious. Israelis Do the engineering design while Palestinians lay the bricks. It's called comparative specialization. You want Palestinian engineering?
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  • Eagle Eye says:
    @Rurik

    The ONLY reason the Palestinian people still exist at all is because of the weakness and faithlessness of the Israeli secular population.
     
    ahh Greasy, but that's where you're wrong

    I've given this a little thought, and I've come to the summation that there was always a reason for keeping a certain number of Palestinians alive.

    They needed them, you see. You need them. The Palestinian people are a necessity to the Jewish, Zionist id. A requirement, if you will. Yes, they had to be subjugated, and rendered absolutely powerless, but they also had to be kept that way for perpetuity. It is an absolute necessity for the Jews to be able to humiliate another people. Without them, who would the Jews torment as a sign that their god favors them, eh Greasy? If there were only Jews in Israel, how would the Jews express their 'superiority' over others, as the Torah and Talmud demand? As sure as you're sitting there at your computer, you know as well as I do that they'd eat their own. In no time flat the Sephardic Jews with darker skin and a lower IQ would be targeted as the children of Ishmael. Or the secular Jews with their worship of Globohomoism. Isn't that right Greasy?

    But with the Palestinians there to murder and humiliate, the Jews as are happy as pigs in shit. All the angst they feel at being what and who they are, can be ameliorated by punishing the Pals, and lording it over them.

    Your founders knew what they were doing when they left a certain amount of Arabs alive. They knew the Jewish pathological need to kick others and impose themselves upon others, or what's the point?

    So yea Greasy, if you're hoping for the day that the last Palestinian is murdered, then you'll be waiting a long time. The people who set up Israel understood the Jewish id far better than you think they did. The Pals are part of you. They're a necessary part of the expression of your identity, going back to your psychotic god of hatred and vengeance and wrath. Your entire identity is based around enemies and genocide and slaughtering others and stealing their property. If you kill all the Arabs, your Passover Seders will feel empty and drab. Who would you torment and grind down and persecute?

    You'd be like a cruel teenage boy with no cat to set on fire. Like a vicious psychopathic orc with only a sex doll to rape and brutalize. It just wouldn't be the same.

    You’d be like a cruel teenage boy with no cat to set on fire. Like a vicious psychopathic orc with only a sex doll to rape and brutalize.

    For the benefit of less us experienced readers, could you explain how the perpetrator of such acts feels?

    After all, empathy and feelings are apparently quite important to you.

    Is there a Pallywood movie on this theme that you can recommend?

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    But, uh, where are the menfolk?
     
    umm, joining Hamas and heroically resisting occupation and oppression? Perhaps languishing (or being tortured) in an Israeli dungeon?

    Ah, of course, evil Israelis blew up their house and took the poor little boys away even though they dindu nuffink.
     
    what a charming person you are

    No, of course not, you are not the kind of guy who gets sentimental over cynical Pallywood propaganda stunts.
     
    you mean like fourteen Holocaust movies a month on average?

    Is there a Pallywood movie on this theme that you can recommend?
     
    you mock empathy eagle, but it was empathy that led to the founding of Israel. The empathy of the Western world for the suffering of the Jews following the Holocaust. But the Western world never imagined that they were signing up for the likes of you, and Arial Sharon and the perpetrators of 9/11 - and a perpetual state of genocidal hatred, racial supremacism and murder in the holy land.

    If they'd of known what kind vision that 'god's people' had in mind:

    >>warning<<
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsWAVASIAAAqOi5.jpg:large

    I doubt they'd have vouchsafed the shitty little state in the first place. The only question now is how long the planet is going to suffer these profane sadists and moral scourge in the holy land.

    BTW, I've spoken harshly of 'the Jews' here of late, and I want to qualify that by meaning only the Jews like eagle here who mock human suffering and demonstrate the kind of sick pathology I'm talking about. I certainly don't want to impugn the character of the very many honorable and decent Jews who agree that the Palestinians are getting a very raw deal and that the state of affairs is dire and untenable.

    Also there are far more "Christian" Zionists than Jews here in the States that are all for genociding the Palestinians f0r their own selfish delusions of a 'rapture'

    They're the ones that vote for Lindsey Graham and they're arguably far more vile than even eagle is, because they wrap their demonic bloodlust in the sacred shroud of the Christ, the Lamb of Peace, and surly profane their souls to damnation by doing so.

    peace

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  • Eagle Eye says:
    @Rurik

    Pals having a state of their own. But there are conditions, most important ones being security and Jerusalem.
     
    Jerusalem?

    Oh, the irony! Chocolate was not exempt from the restrictions
     
    geeze Sam. Just say it. Chocolate was banned. Along with toys and other trifles as a petty torment. The kinds of petty torments, like forcing people to stand in long lines at check points or drive on separate roads that are intended to humiliate these people. There was no military justification for banning chocolate. Petty torments, like a man holding food in front of starving children, taunting them.

    I state that as a simple matter of fact.
     
    or to impugn their character?

    So you might say, all in all, they have their chocolate and eat it too.
     
    I'll call that your 'let them eat cake' moment

    does that depict a Jewish man holding the bread?
     
    Don't know. I simply posted it as an example of a callous asshole, like the kind that would prevent the children of Gaza, who suffer so much, to even enjoy a meager moment of pleasure in their otherwise destitute lives.

    I don't have to go to Gaza to know that life there must be nearly intolerable. Not on the surface perhaps, but deep in their souls, knowing that they've been robbed of everything. Their land, their homes, their sovereignty and their dignity. And ignored by the vile Arab governments and the sanctimonious Zio-West. May they all rot in hell.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9s7t_rM9fY

    I don’t have to go to Gaza to know that life there must be nearly intolerable. Not on the surface perhaps, but deep in their souls, knowing that they’ve been robbed of everything. Their land, their homes, their sovereignty and their dignity. And ignored by the vile Arab governments …

    Ah yes, deep in their souls, all that’s left, other than a yearning for chocolate and whisky, is

    the knowledge that they’ve been robbed of everything.

    (Excuse me while I go find a tissue.)

    Uh, maybe you’re unaware of a few facts.

    The Gazans live in their home territory of Gaza, in their own homes, ruled over by the Muslim Hamas thugocracy, the women terrorized into hiding their faces and submitting to the resurgence of polygamy.

    BTW did you read the recent piece in the NYT about how Hamas terrorizes gays and Christians in Gaza? Or is the NYT keeping quiet about this, as they did for about a year about the holocaust, and for decades about the “kulak” genocide in the USSR that was hushed by by Walter Duranty?

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  • Eagle Eye says:
    @Rurik

    Pals having a state of their own. But there are conditions, most important ones being security and Jerusalem.
     
    Jerusalem?

    Oh, the irony! Chocolate was not exempt from the restrictions
     
    geeze Sam. Just say it. Chocolate was banned. Along with toys and other trifles as a petty torment. The kinds of petty torments, like forcing people to stand in long lines at check points or drive on separate roads that are intended to humiliate these people. There was no military justification for banning chocolate. Petty torments, like a man holding food in front of starving children, taunting them.

    I state that as a simple matter of fact.
     
    or to impugn their character?

    So you might say, all in all, they have their chocolate and eat it too.
     
    I'll call that your 'let them eat cake' moment

    does that depict a Jewish man holding the bread?
     
    Don't know. I simply posted it as an example of a callous asshole, like the kind that would prevent the children of Gaza, who suffer so much, to even enjoy a meager moment of pleasure in their otherwise destitute lives.

    I don't have to go to Gaza to know that life there must be nearly intolerable. Not on the surface perhaps, but deep in their souls, knowing that they've been robbed of everything. Their land, their homes, their sovereignty and their dignity. And ignored by the vile Arab governments and the sanctimonious Zio-West. May they all rot in hell.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9s7t_rM9fY

    I don’t have to go to Gaza to know that life there must be nearly intolerable.

    You “don’t have to go to Gaza to know” that he population of Gaza more than quintupled from 1970 to 2014, from 340,000 to 1,820,000, according to U.S. Census (!) figures.

    You “don’t have to go to Gaza to know” that the place is five times more intolerable now than in 1970. The only known industries are rocket building and tunnel digging.

    On the plus side, they now get more U.S. and EU money and, can buy plenty of chocolate.

    As a little consolation, you “don’t have to go to Gaza to know” about chocolate. You can just buy chocolate at any gas station.

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  • Rurik says: • Website
    @Eagle Eye

    You’d be like a cruel teenage boy with no cat to set on fire. Like a vicious psychopathic orc with only a sex doll to rape and brutalize.
     
    For the benefit of less us experienced readers, could you explain how the perpetrator of such acts feels?

    After all, empathy and feelings are apparently quite important to you.

    Is there a Pallywood movie on this theme that you can recommend?

    But, uh, where are the menfolk?

    umm, joining Hamas and heroically resisting occupation and oppression? Perhaps languishing (or being tortured) in an Israeli dungeon?

    Ah, of course, evil Israelis blew up their house and took the poor little boys away even though they dindu nuffink.

    what a charming person you are

    No, of course not, you are not the kind of guy who gets sentimental over cynical Pallywood propaganda stunts.

    you mean like fourteen Holocaust movies a month on average?

    Is there a Pallywood movie on this theme that you can recommend?

    you mock empathy eagle, but it was empathy that led to the founding of Israel. The empathy of the Western world for the suffering of the Jews following the Holocaust. But the Western world never imagined that they were signing up for the likes of you, and Arial Sharon and the perpetrators of 9/11 – and a perpetual state of genocidal hatred, racial supremacism and murder in the holy land.

    If they’d of known what kind vision that ‘god’s people’ had in mind:

    >>warning<<

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsWAVASIAAAqOi5.jpg:large

    I doubt they'd have vouchsafed the shitty little state in the first place. The only question now is how long the planet is going to suffer these profane sadists and moral scourge in the holy land.

    BTW, I've spoken harshly of 'the Jews' here of late, and I want to qualify that by meaning only the Jews like eagle here who mock human suffering and demonstrate the kind of sick pathology I'm talking about. I certainly don't want to impugn the character of the very many honorable and decent Jews who agree that the Palestinians are getting a very raw deal and that the state of affairs is dire and untenable.

    Also there are far more "Christian" Zionists than Jews here in the States that are all for genociding the Palestinians f0r their own selfish delusions of a 'rapture'

    They're the ones that vote for Lindsey Graham and they're arguably far more vile than even eagle is, because they wrap their demonic bloodlust in the sacred shroud of the Christ, the Lamb of Peace, and surly profane their souls to damnation by doing so.

    peace

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    [RURIK] You’d be like a cruel teenage boy with no cat to set on fire. Like a vicious psychopathic orc with only a sex doll to rape and brutalize.

     

    [Eagle] For the benefit of [us] less experienced readers, could you explain how the perpetrator of such acts feels?

    After all, empathy and feelings are apparently quite important to you.

    Is there a Pallywood movie on this theme that you can recommend?
     

    [RURIK]you mock empathy eagle, ...
     
    THAT's what you mean by "empathy?"

    Let the record show that it was RURIK who called upon far-away, unknown Gazan boys to


    join[] Hamas and heroically resist[] occupation and oppression
     
    RURIK's express suggestion is that hundreds of thousands of Gazan boys sacrifice themselves as extras in an emotionally satisfying video game for the enjoyment of progressive Westerners and for the benefit of cynical Arab rulers.

    Is that the kind of "EMPATHY" we want?

    , @anonymous
    Eagle: Ah, of course, evil Israelis blew up their house and took the poor little boys away even though they dindu nuffink.

    Rurik to Eagle: what a charming person you are....

    Hypocrisy and crocodile tears anyone? Rurik tries his bs when he goes around routinely calling Blacks dindu nuffinks and niggers. You are nothing but a bullshit artist. You don't give a shit about Palestinians. You only write melodramatic shite to stroke your own ego. You write your weepy-drippy drama to basically flog your dog.

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  • Eagle Eye says:

    But, uh, where are the menfolk?

    umm, joining Hamas and heroically resisting occupation and oppression? Perhaps languishing (or being tortured) in an Israeli dungeon?

    So, since you like to perceive things emotionally, in YOUR EMOTIONAL TERMS, your fictitious, “heroical” Gazans are hoping to inflict, on a massive scale, THIS:

    >>warning<<

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsWAVASIAAAqOi5.jpg:large

    BTW, Gaza still has less than one-third the population of Singapore (1.85 million vs. 5.6 million), and about half the area (141 square miles vs. 277.6 square miles). Singapore's per capita GDP is about $90,000. Strangely, Wikipedia does not give a per capita GDP figure for the hard-working, hard-breeding Gazans.

    Gaza has about 24 miles of Mediterranean beaches.

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    eagle, if you're going to 'quote' me, then kindly don't misquote me

    k?

    I said the men of Gaza are joining Hamas in order to heroically resist genocide and oppression

    just as the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto heroically resisted

    just as the Amerindian heroically resisted

    this guy is heroically resisting ..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2l5IugtEh8
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  • Eagle Eye says:
    @Rurik

    But, uh, where are the menfolk?
     
    umm, joining Hamas and heroically resisting occupation and oppression? Perhaps languishing (or being tortured) in an Israeli dungeon?

    Ah, of course, evil Israelis blew up their house and took the poor little boys away even though they dindu nuffink.
     
    what a charming person you are

    No, of course not, you are not the kind of guy who gets sentimental over cynical Pallywood propaganda stunts.
     
    you mean like fourteen Holocaust movies a month on average?

    Is there a Pallywood movie on this theme that you can recommend?
     
    you mock empathy eagle, but it was empathy that led to the founding of Israel. The empathy of the Western world for the suffering of the Jews following the Holocaust. But the Western world never imagined that they were signing up for the likes of you, and Arial Sharon and the perpetrators of 9/11 - and a perpetual state of genocidal hatred, racial supremacism and murder in the holy land.

    If they'd of known what kind vision that 'god's people' had in mind:

    >>warning<<
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsWAVASIAAAqOi5.jpg:large

    I doubt they'd have vouchsafed the shitty little state in the first place. The only question now is how long the planet is going to suffer these profane sadists and moral scourge in the holy land.

    BTW, I've spoken harshly of 'the Jews' here of late, and I want to qualify that by meaning only the Jews like eagle here who mock human suffering and demonstrate the kind of sick pathology I'm talking about. I certainly don't want to impugn the character of the very many honorable and decent Jews who agree that the Palestinians are getting a very raw deal and that the state of affairs is dire and untenable.

    Also there are far more "Christian" Zionists than Jews here in the States that are all for genociding the Palestinians f0r their own selfish delusions of a 'rapture'

    They're the ones that vote for Lindsey Graham and they're arguably far more vile than even eagle is, because they wrap their demonic bloodlust in the sacred shroud of the Christ, the Lamb of Peace, and surly profane their souls to damnation by doing so.

    peace

    [RURIK] You’d be like a cruel teenage boy with no cat to set on fire. Like a vicious psychopathic orc with only a sex doll to rape and brutalize.

    [Eagle] For the benefit of [us] less experienced readers, could you explain how the perpetrator of such acts feels?

    After all, empathy and feelings are apparently quite important to you.

    Is there a Pallywood movie on this theme that you can recommend?

    [RURIK]you mock empathy eagle, …

    THAT’s what you mean by “empathy?”

    Let the record show that it was RURIK who called upon far-away, unknown Gazan boys to

    join[] Hamas and heroically resist[] occupation and oppression

    RURIK’s express suggestion is that hundreds of thousands of Gazan boys sacrifice themselves as extras in an emotionally satisfying video game for the enjoyment of progressive Westerners and for the benefit of cynical Arab rulers.

    Is that the kind of “EMPATHY” we want?

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  • Rurik says: • Website
    @Eagle Eye


    But, uh, where are the menfolk?
     
    umm, joining Hamas and heroically resisting occupation and oppression? Perhaps languishing (or being tortured) in an Israeli dungeon?
     
    So, since you like to perceive things emotionally, in YOUR EMOTIONAL TERMS, your fictitious, "heroical" Gazans are hoping to inflict, on a massive scale, THIS:

    >>warning<<
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsWAVASIAAAqOi5.jpg:large

    BTW, Gaza still has less than one-third the population of Singapore (1.85 million vs. 5.6 million), and about half the area (141 square miles vs. 277.6 square miles). Singapore's per capita GDP is about $90,000. Strangely, Wikipedia does not give a per capita GDP figure for the hard-working, hard-breeding Gazans.

    Gaza has about 24 miles of Mediterranean beaches.

    eagle, if you’re going to ‘quote’ me, then kindly don’t misquote me

    k?

    I said the men of Gaza are joining Hamas in order to heroically resist genocide and oppression

    just as the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto heroically resisted

    just as the Amerindian heroically resisted

    this guy is heroically resisting ..

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    @Rurik

    But, uh, where are the menfolk?
     
    umm, joining Hamas and heroically resisting occupation and oppression? Perhaps languishing (or being tortured) in an Israeli dungeon?

    Ah, of course, evil Israelis blew up their house and took the poor little boys away even though they dindu nuffink.
     
    what a charming person you are

    No, of course not, you are not the kind of guy who gets sentimental over cynical Pallywood propaganda stunts.
     
    you mean like fourteen Holocaust movies a month on average?

    Is there a Pallywood movie on this theme that you can recommend?
     
    you mock empathy eagle, but it was empathy that led to the founding of Israel. The empathy of the Western world for the suffering of the Jews following the Holocaust. But the Western world never imagined that they were signing up for the likes of you, and Arial Sharon and the perpetrators of 9/11 - and a perpetual state of genocidal hatred, racial supremacism and murder in the holy land.

    If they'd of known what kind vision that 'god's people' had in mind:

    >>warning<<
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsWAVASIAAAqOi5.jpg:large

    I doubt they'd have vouchsafed the shitty little state in the first place. The only question now is how long the planet is going to suffer these profane sadists and moral scourge in the holy land.

    BTW, I've spoken harshly of 'the Jews' here of late, and I want to qualify that by meaning only the Jews like eagle here who mock human suffering and demonstrate the kind of sick pathology I'm talking about. I certainly don't want to impugn the character of the very many honorable and decent Jews who agree that the Palestinians are getting a very raw deal and that the state of affairs is dire and untenable.

    Also there are far more "Christian" Zionists than Jews here in the States that are all for genociding the Palestinians f0r their own selfish delusions of a 'rapture'

    They're the ones that vote for Lindsey Graham and they're arguably far more vile than even eagle is, because they wrap their demonic bloodlust in the sacred shroud of the Christ, the Lamb of Peace, and surly profane their souls to damnation by doing so.

    peace

    Eagle: Ah, of course, evil Israelis blew up their house and took the poor little boys away even though they dindu nuffink.

    Rurik to Eagle: what a charming person you are….

    Hypocrisy and crocodile tears anyone? Rurik tries his bs when he goes around routinely calling Blacks dindu nuffinks and niggers. You are nothing but a bullshit artist. You don’t give a shit about Palestinians. You only write melodramatic shite to stroke your own ego. You write your weepy-drippy drama to basically flog your dog.

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    Rurik tries his bs when he goes around routinely calling Blacks dindu nuffinks
     
    I've written about a billion words here on Unz, and never once have I ever referred to blacks or anyone else as "dindu"s or anything even close to that. I simply don't use such expressions.

    So you're obviously a lying POS, huh?

    Now I have used the word 'nigger' before, and would use it again, if that's the term that most eloquently describes what can't really be described otherwise.

    niggers = https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e0_1445422238

    I don't believe in political correctness and I calls a spade a spade

    I'm not defending the Palestinian people out of some misplaced sentimentality. No mewling, bleeding heart here

    I defend the Palestinian people because they are like the woman in that video, and are being put upon and savaged by the moral equivalent of the nigger in that video

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  • Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @L.K
    Plus, Who would build the chosen's houses in the land they stole?

    Who Is Building Israel's Homes?
    There are around 50,000 foreign workers in the trade, of whom 82% are Palestinians

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/.premium-1.652117

    ...So far, the venture has trained about 1,000 workers( Israelis ), of whom 700 went to work. (Training is four months and when the newly trained workers actually start to work and see that the profession is a hard one, many drop out.)
    ...
    Meni Daboosh, 24, of Kfar Sava, a deputy site manager at a Tidhar project in Be’er Yaakov, is one with doubts. He’d like more Israelis in construction, but as a manager feels they can be less reliable than Chinese, European or Palestinian workers. Many Israelis shy from the hard work, he says. “Also, Israeli workers play tricks with you. You give them a job, even a pretty simple one; come back 20 minutes later and discover that the guy’s been smoking a cigarette or playing on his smartphone the whole time. Why would a manager want workers who demand more money and have less output? That may change, but that’s how it is now.”


    :-)

    I think you are struggling with the obvious. Israelis Do the engineering design while Palestinians lay the bricks. It’s called comparative specialization. You want Palestinian engineering?

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    @anonymous
    Eagle: Ah, of course, evil Israelis blew up their house and took the poor little boys away even though they dindu nuffink.

    Rurik to Eagle: what a charming person you are....

    Hypocrisy and crocodile tears anyone? Rurik tries his bs when he goes around routinely calling Blacks dindu nuffinks and niggers. You are nothing but a bullshit artist. You don't give a shit about Palestinians. You only write melodramatic shite to stroke your own ego. You write your weepy-drippy drama to basically flog your dog.

    Rurik tries his bs when he goes around routinely calling Blacks dindu nuffinks

    I’ve written about a billion words here on Unz, and never once have I ever referred to blacks or anyone else as “dindu”s or anything even close to that. I simply don’t use such expressions.

    So you’re obviously a lying POS, huh?

    Now I have used the word ‘nigger’ before, and would use it again, if that’s the term that most eloquently describes what can’t really be described otherwise.

    niggers = https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e0_1445422238

    I don’t believe in political correctness and I calls a spade a spade

    I’m not defending the Palestinian people out of some misplaced sentimentality. No mewling, bleeding heart here

    I defend the Palestinian people because they are like the woman in that video, and are being put upon and savaged by the moral equivalent of the nigger in that video

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    If you want to support the Palestinians fine, but that was the worst analogy I've ever seen.
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    Rurik tries his bs when he goes around routinely calling Blacks dindu nuffinks
     
    I've written about a billion words here on Unz, and never once have I ever referred to blacks or anyone else as "dindu"s or anything even close to that. I simply don't use such expressions.

    So you're obviously a lying POS, huh?

    Now I have used the word 'nigger' before, and would use it again, if that's the term that most eloquently describes what can't really be described otherwise.

    niggers = https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e0_1445422238

    I don't believe in political correctness and I calls a spade a spade

    I'm not defending the Palestinian people out of some misplaced sentimentality. No mewling, bleeding heart here

    I defend the Palestinian people because they are like the woman in that video, and are being put upon and savaged by the moral equivalent of the nigger in that video

    If you want to support the Palestinians fine, but that was the worst analogy I’ve ever seen.

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    Ok, that was pretty lazy, I admit

    but there still is a shred of truth to it, insofar as they are victimized by savages

    in spite of the recent troll attack, this isn't about me. I never pretended to be any kind of paragon of virtue. But what I've said about the Palestinians is all true, and my only agenda is in tying to speak out against injustice, and stop the global ravages of the Fiend.

    If more people knew what was happening in the holy land/Levant, there'd be less hate and misery and injustice in the world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHhByXIwr8
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    @Greasy William
    If you want to support the Palestinians fine, but that was the worst analogy I've ever seen.

    Ok, that was pretty lazy, I admit

    but there still is a shred of truth to it, insofar as they are victimized by savages

    in spite of the recent troll attack, this isn’t about me. I never pretended to be any kind of paragon of virtue. But what I’ve said about the Palestinians is all true, and my only agenda is in tying to speak out against injustice, and stop the global ravages of the Fiend.

    If more people knew what was happening in the holy land/Levant, there’d be less hate and misery and injustice in the world.

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    I feel like I was kinda being a dick in my above reply to you, but on the other hand you deliberately provoked me. I sorta feel bad because I consider you an internet friend but I also sorta don't feel bad.

    I take no responsibility for my actions and offer you only a half assed apology.

    I am surprised/interested that you would describe the Jews as a "global fiend". Outside of our conflict with the Arab/Islamic world, what don't you like about us? I would like to remind you that our conflict with the Arab/Islamic world, regardless of how you feel about it, is not truly global. Most of the world doesn't really care one way or the other who rules the Land of Israel.

    Now don't get me wrong, Jews are an extremely unlikeable people. This is not a new thing and although Eastern Ashkenazim (what I am) have the worst case of it, other Jewish groups also tend to be exceedingly unpleasant, at least in my experience. Even die hard Judeophile Winston Churchill thought Jews were unlikeable nation wreckers*. But just because we are jerks doesn't make us bad people.

    You will never find people more likable than Muslims or Latinos, but would you want 10s of millions of them in your country? Affability is like physical beauty: it makes life more pleasant but it isn't really that important.

    *I disagree that we are nation wreckers. Churchill's position, not mine.
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    Ok, that was pretty lazy, I admit

    but there still is a shred of truth to it, insofar as they are victimized by savages

    in spite of the recent troll attack, this isn't about me. I never pretended to be any kind of paragon of virtue. But what I've said about the Palestinians is all true, and my only agenda is in tying to speak out against injustice, and stop the global ravages of the Fiend.

    If more people knew what was happening in the holy land/Levant, there'd be less hate and misery and injustice in the world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHhByXIwr8

    I feel like I was kinda being a dick in my above reply to you, but on the other hand you deliberately provoked me. I sorta feel bad because I consider you an internet friend but I also sorta don’t feel bad.

    I take no responsibility for my actions and offer you only a half assed apology.

    I am surprised/interested that you would describe the Jews as a “global fiend”. Outside of our conflict with the Arab/Islamic world, what don’t you like about us? I would like to remind you that our conflict with the Arab/Islamic world, regardless of how you feel about it, is not truly global. Most of the world doesn’t really care one way or the other who rules the Land of Israel.

    Now don’t get me wrong, Jews are an extremely unlikeable people. This is not a new thing and although Eastern Ashkenazim (what I am) have the worst case of it, other Jewish groups also tend to be exceedingly unpleasant, at least in my experience. Even die hard Judeophile Winston Churchill thought Jews were unlikeable nation wreckers*. But just because we are jerks doesn’t make us bad people.

    You will never find people more likable than Muslims or Latinos, but would you want 10s of millions of them in your country? Affability is like physical beauty: it makes life more pleasant but it isn’t really that important.

    *I disagree that we are nation wreckers. Churchill’s position, not mine.

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    there is no doubt Greasy, that you have a charm. Your unapologetic, brutally unsentimental perspective is, I consider a boon to this site.

    There are a lot of Israelis that think and feel exactly as you do, but few with the nads to come out and say it. So yea, I enjoy your participation even if I consider your attitude towards the Pals as reprehensible, to say the least, but then in your defense I suppose it could be said that white Americans felt pretty much the same way about "injuns" a few generations back.

    I am surprised/interested that you would describe the Jews as a “global fiend”.
     
    not Jews per se Greasy, but Jewish banksters and international Zionism/Eternal Wars and the subversion of Western culture and life.

    There are very many Jews I like and even have great affection for, some in my own extended family. I know a Jewish gal that has a heart as big as life, and who feels obvious angst at the sight of any suffering of any kind. Jews like Carl Sagan have inspired my mind and jolted my intellectual curiosity. Jews like Ayn Rand have taught us all the value of sound money, and the dangers of collectivism. Michael Rivero is one of my favorite bloggers. So I don't and never would give a blanket condemnation of the extraordinary Jewish people.

    Now that said, I hate contrived wars for fun and profit. I hate human misery for the sake of it- to amuse an elite who've grown so aloof in their arrogance, that for petty amusement they foist wars and strife and conflict. Also some of them want to genocide my phenotype off the planet.

    Sorry, I have to go. The boss just said get off that damn computer!

    I'll try to respond later if I get the chance. (don't want to be cut off for the holiday weekend)
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  • geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    I am confused, I admit, trying to sort through all these atrocities Jews have been responsible for, both during Iraq I and II. Of course, those happen to be mere flickers in the scheme of things which started all the way back from Egypt and the Pharaoh, aren't they?

    Brutal honesty in your world are only those items which fit the narrative carefully crafted following the brilliant principle of post hoc ergo propter hoc. I concede the case.

    Brutal honesty in your world are only those items which fit the narrative carefully crafted following the brilliant principle of post hoc ergo propter hoc.

    Sorry for taking so long to respond, Sam. It took me awhile to dig up the specific proposed legislation that a few humane members of Congress had the temerity to introduce in the Knesset West, er, I mean Capitol Hill, back in 2000.

    The title of the proposed bill was Humanitarian Exports Leading to Peace Act. Here is an excerpt of the Findings section from the proposed bill:

    SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

    The Congress finds the following:

    (1) The Iraqi people suffered under a decade of war and continue to suffer under a repressive regime and the most comprehensive economic sanctions ever imposed on any country.

    (2) The economic sanctions have caused extraordinary hardship on the people of Iraq and failed to weaken the leadership of Iraq, and have undermined the institutions of civil society which are necessary for democratic political life.

    (3) The investigative panel established by the United Nations Security Council and other independent bodies have confirmed that the United Nations Oil-for-Food program has failed to adequately meet the needs of the Iraqi people.

    (4) According to the United States Department of Agriculture, Iraq represents a potential market for nearly $1,000,000,000 in agricultural products from the United States.

    (5) The sanctions regime continues to harm the Iraqi population for the crimes of its leaders and has not served either the goal of the United States of punishing Iraq’s leaders or disarming weapons of mass destruction.

    (6) Rigorous weapons inspections and adequate provision for civilian needs in Iraq are not mutually exclusive.

    (7) The devastating effect of the economic sanctions on Iraq has been reported by numerous international and independent bodies, including the following:

    (A) The Center for Economic and Social Rights of the United Nations documented dra- matic increases in malnutrition and disease, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children under the age of 5 since 1991.

    (B) UNICEF reported in 1995 that ‘‘no significant movement towards food security can be achieved so long as the embargo remains in place’’. Further, despite the Oil-for-Food Program, UNICEF reported in July 1999 survey findings that ‘‘Both the infant mortality rate and the under-five mortality rate consistently show a major increase in mortality over the 10 years preceding the survey. More specifically, the results show that the infant mortality rate has increased from 47 deaths per 1,000 live births for the period 1984–89, to 108 deaths per 1,000 live births for the period 1994–99.’’.

    (C) A report authorized by the United National Security Council on March 30, 1999, found that ‘‘the gravity of the humanitarian situation of the Iraqi people is indisputable and cannot be overstated.’’. Further, it emphasized that ‘‘Even if not all suffering in Iraq can be imputed to external factors, especially sanctions, the Iraqi people would not be undergoing such deprivations in the absence of the prolonged measures imposed by the Security Council and the effects of the war’’.

    (D) UNICEF and the World Food Program found in 1997 that ‘‘One out of every 4 young Iraqi children is malnourished. More than 750,000 children are suffering from malnutrition’’.

    https://www.congress.gov/106/bills/hr3825/BILLS-106hr3825ih.pdf

    The sponsor of the proposed legislation had been Rep. Conyers and it incredibly had 39 cosponsors, one among whom was the courageous Rep. Cynthia McKinney (we all know what The Lobby had in store for her).

    Despite garnering this level of support, the Humanitarian Exports Leading to Peace Act of 2000 was quietly killed for some reason and the harshest sanctions ever imposed on a country continued for another 3 years.

    I concluded that since a representative of The Lobby was on the record with an admission that AIPAC opposed the bill, even conceding the organization recognized the sponsors had “very compassionate reasons” for proposing it, this very fact, along with its initial aim to remove Saddam from power, demonstrated to me The Lobby was willing to have the sanctions continue, and was, therefore, responsible for the deaths of half a million innocent Iraqi children who Ms. Korbelová, in a moment of honesty, was willing to admit that the price had been worth it.

    If you have drawn a different conclusion from this information, Sam, I’m all ears.

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    @Greasy William
    I feel like I was kinda being a dick in my above reply to you, but on the other hand you deliberately provoked me. I sorta feel bad because I consider you an internet friend but I also sorta don't feel bad.

    I take no responsibility for my actions and offer you only a half assed apology.

    I am surprised/interested that you would describe the Jews as a "global fiend". Outside of our conflict with the Arab/Islamic world, what don't you like about us? I would like to remind you that our conflict with the Arab/Islamic world, regardless of how you feel about it, is not truly global. Most of the world doesn't really care one way or the other who rules the Land of Israel.

    Now don't get me wrong, Jews are an extremely unlikeable people. This is not a new thing and although Eastern Ashkenazim (what I am) have the worst case of it, other Jewish groups also tend to be exceedingly unpleasant, at least in my experience. Even die hard Judeophile Winston Churchill thought Jews were unlikeable nation wreckers*. But just because we are jerks doesn't make us bad people.

    You will never find people more likable than Muslims or Latinos, but would you want 10s of millions of them in your country? Affability is like physical beauty: it makes life more pleasant but it isn't really that important.

    *I disagree that we are nation wreckers. Churchill's position, not mine.

    there is no doubt Greasy, that you have a charm. Your unapologetic, brutally unsentimental perspective is, I consider a boon to this site.

    There are a lot of Israelis that think and feel exactly as you do, but few with the nads to come out and say it. So yea, I enjoy your participation even if I consider your attitude towards the Pals as reprehensible, to say the least, but then in your defense I suppose it could be said that white Americans felt pretty much the same way about “injuns” a few generations back.

    I am surprised/interested that you would describe the Jews as a “global fiend”.

    not Jews per se Greasy, but Jewish banksters and international Zionism/Eternal Wars and the subversion of Western culture and life.

    There are very many Jews I like and even have great affection for, some in my own extended family. I know a Jewish gal that has a heart as big as life, and who feels obvious angst at the sight of any suffering of any kind. Jews like Carl Sagan have inspired my mind and jolted my intellectual curiosity. Jews like Ayn Rand have taught us all the value of sound money, and the dangers of collectivism. Michael Rivero is one of my favorite bloggers. So I don’t and never would give a blanket condemnation of the extraordinary Jewish people.

    Now that said, I hate contrived wars for fun and profit. I hate human misery for the sake of it- to amuse an elite who’ve grown so aloof in their arrogance, that for petty amusement they foist wars and strife and conflict. Also some of them want to genocide my phenotype off the planet.

    Sorry, I have to go. The boss just said get off that damn computer!

    I’ll try to respond later if I get the chance. (don’t want to be cut off for the holiday weekend)

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  • Z-man says:
    @Rurik
    Hey Sam, the thing about bringing up chocolate for me, vis-a-vis the occupied territories, is how little things I read about often tweak me, for their pettiness and snarky cruelty.

    Like if you have two children, one Jewish and one Arab, and you're responsible for both those children's welfare, (as the government of Israel is legally bound to be for both the Jewish citizens and the Palestinians they occupy). Right?

    Ok, then what happens is when I hear the word chocolate, I can't help but think of how the petty, black-hearted scum in the Israeli government decided that one of the things they were going to specifically prevent from getting into Gaza was chocolate. of all things.

    And I'm sitting there thinking, here's this shining light unto the nations, and there are two children there, and one is Jewish and the other is Arab. And then the man who's responsible for the welfare of both these children, gives to the Jewish child two pieces of chocolate candy, and to the other nothing. And I think what a rat. What a petty, mean-spirited, asshole

    I'm reminded of that picture of the Arminian genocide, where the guy is taunting the starving children with a piece of bread.

    http://www.gazetawarszawska.com/images/armenian_genocide_16.jpg

    but those aren't his children, they're the children