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Those of us who are highly critical of Israel’s ability to manipulate U.S. foreign policy frequently note how sites that permit comments on our articles are almost immediately inundated with hostile postings that are remarkably similar in both tone and substance. Given that it is unlikely that large numbers of visitors to the sites read the offending piece more-or-less simultaneously, react similarly to its content, and then go on to express their disgust in very similar language, many of us have come to the conclusion that the Israeli government or some of the groups dedicated to advancing Israeli interests turn loose supporters who are dedicated to combating and refuting anything and everything that casts Israel in a negative light.

The fact is that Israel is extremely active in an enterprise that falls in the gray area between covert operations and overt governmental activity. Many governments seek to respond to negative commentary in the media, but they normally do it openly with an ambassador or press officer countering criticism by sending in a letter, writing an op-ed, or appearing on a talk show. Such activity is generally described as public diplomacy when it is done openly by a recognized government official and the information itself is both plausible and verifiable, at least within reasonable limits. Israel does indeed do that, but it also engages in other activities that are not so transparent and which are aimed at spreading false information.

When an intelligence organization seeks to influence opinion by creating and deliberately circulating “false news,” it is referred to as a “disinformation operation.” But Israel has refined the art of something that expands upon that, what might be referred to more accurately as “perception management” or “influence operations” in which it only very rarely shows its hand overtly, in many cases paying students as part-time bloggers or exploiting diaspora Jews as volunteers to get its message out. The practice is so systemic, involving recruitment, training, Foreign Ministry-prepared information sheets, and internet alerts to potential targets, that it is frequently described by its Hebrew name, hasbara, which means literally “public explanation.” It is essentially an internet-focused “information war” that parallels and supports the military action whenever Israel enters into conflict with any of its neighbors or seeks to influence public opinion in the United States and Europe.

The hasbara onslaught inevitably cranks up when Israel is being strongly criticized. There were notable surges in activity when Israel attacked Gaza in 2009 and 2012, as well as when it hijacked the Turkish humanitarian relief ship the Mavi Marmara in 2011. The devastating 2014 Gaza fighting inevitably followed suit, producing a perfect storm of pro-Israel commentary contesting any published piece that in any way sympathized with the Palestinians. The comments tend to appear in large numbers on websites where moderation and registration requirements are minimal, including Yahoo! News, or Facebook and Twitter.

The hasbara comments are noticeable as they tend to sound like boilerplate, and run contrary to or even ignore what other contributors to the site are writing. They often include spelling and syntactical hints that the writer is not natively fluent in English. As is the practice at corporate customer support call centers in Asia, the commenters generally go by American-sounding names and use fake email addresses. They never indicate that they are Israelis or working on behalf of the Israeli government and they tend to repeat over and over again sound bites of pseudo-information, as when they falsely insist that Hamas was solely responsible for the recent Gazan wars and that Israel was only defending itself. The commenters operate in the belief that if something is repeated often enough in many different places it will ipso facto gain some credibility and create doubts regarding contrary points of view.

That Israel is engaged in perception management on a large scale has more-or-less been admitted by the Israeli government, and some of its mechanisms have been identified, to include the Strategic Affairs Ministry headed by Gilad Erdan. The most recent wrinkle, focused on countering the nonviolent Boycott, Divest and Sanction (BDS) movement, is an app called ACT.IL, that was developed by Israel’s Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya (IDC) in collaboration with the Israeli American Council, which can be downloaded at iTunes, Apple app store and Google Play. The app enables one to tap into “the collective knowledge of IDC students who together speak 35 languages hail from 86 countries and have connections to the pro-Israel community all over the world.” The Jerusalem Post, in an article praising the new initiative, describes how, “in this virtual situation room of experts, they detect instances where Israel is being assailed online and they program the app to find missions that can be carried out with a push of a button.” What does it do? In a trial run, an Australian business that allegedly refused to serve Israelis was bombarded with negative Facebook comments that reduced its rating from a 4.6 to a 1.4.

The Israeli Foreign Ministry has sent a letter out to a number of pro-Israel organizations emphasizing the “importance of the internet as the new battleground for Israel’s image.” Haaretz reported in 2013 how Prime Minister Netanyahu’s office collaborated with the National Union of Israeli Students to establish “covert units” at the seven national universities to be structured in a “semi-military” fashion and organized in situation rooms. Students are paid as much as $2,000 monthly to work the online targets.

The serious collaboration between government and volunteers actually began with Operation Cast Lead in early 2009, an incursion into Gaza that killed more than 1,800 Palestinians, when the Foreign Ministry pulled together a group of mostly young computer savvy soldiers supplemented by students both overseas and within Israel to post a number of government-crafted responses to international criticism.

Many of the initial volunteers worked through a website giyus.org (an acronym for Give Israel Your United Support). The website included a desktop tool called Megaphone that provided daily updates on articles appearing on the internet that had to be challenged or attacked. There were once believed to be 50,000 activists receiving the now-inactive Megaphone’s alerts.

There have also been reports about a pro-Israel American group called Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) preparing to enter its own version of developments in the Middle East on the popular online encyclopedia Wikipedia. E-mails from CAMERA reveal that the group sought volunteers in 2008 to edit material on Wikipedia “to help us keep Israel-related entries … from becoming tainted by anti-Israel editors,” while also recommending that articles on the Middle East be avoided initially by supporters so as not to arouse suspicions about their motives. Volunteers were also advised to use false names that did not hint at any Israeli or Jewish connection and to avoid any references to being organized by CAMERA. Fifty volunteers reportedly were actively engaged in the program when it was exposed in the media and the program was put on hold.

CAMERA is an Internal Revenue Service-approved 501(c)(3) organization, which means that contributions to it are tax exempt. Such exemptions are granted to organizations that are either charitable or educational in nature and they normally preclude any involvement in partisan political activity. As CAMERA would not appear to qualify as a charity, it is to be presumed that its application for special tax status stressed that it is educational. Whether its involvement in “un-tainting” Wikipedia truly falls within that definition might well be debated, particularly as it appears to have been carried out in semi-clandestine fashion. CAMERA might well also be considered to be a good candidate for registration under the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938 (FARA), as its activity is uniquely focused on promoting the perceived interests of a foreign government.

The use of Israel’s universities as propaganda mills by the government also raises other significant issues. The growing BDS movement has included some Israeli universities as targets because of their alleged involvement with the government in the occupation of the West Bank. That the universities are also involved in possible government-sponsored information operations might be an additional convincing argument that BDS supporters might use to justify blacklisting at least some Israeli academic institutions.

Every government is engaged in selling a product, which is its own self-justifying view of what it does and how it does it. But the largely clandestine Israeli effort to influence American opinion is unique in that it comes from a country which receives more than $3 billion annually from the U.S. taxpayer. We Americans are therefore paying to be propagandized by people working for a foreign government who often pretend to be our fellow citizens but are not. What is occurring is essentially an intelligence operation directed against the United States, something that the CIA would have run back in the 1970s and 1980s. That Israel can continue to reap huge amounts of aid and political cover from Washington while it is actively working to make sure that Americans are poorly informed about the Middle East reveals more than anything the corruption of our political class and media, both of which appear to be ready to sell out for thirty shekels to anyone with the cash in hand. Time to drain the swamp, indeed.

 
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  1. This is documented long-term foreign influence which has reached treason levels in the past, for instance at the time the USS Liberty was sunk in June, 1967. This can be contrasted with the phony Russia accusations levelled by many of the same people whose first loyalty is to the Israeli state rather than to the yankee imperium employing them. I don’t see this ending well.

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    I don’t see this ending well.
     
    One prays for the Second Coming at times like these..
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  2. Wally says: • Website

    Tip of the iceberg:

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    “Jewish groups get up to 97% of grants from the Homeland Security”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/islamophobia-shmislamophobia-97-of-homeland-security-security-grants-go-to-jewish-orgs

    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    The Zionist attempt to control language.
    The Israel Project’s 2009 GLOBAL LANGUAGE DICTIONARY

    https://www.transcend.org/tms/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sf-israel-projects-2009-global-language-dictionary.pdf

    The commander behind the pro-Israel student troops on U.S. college campuses

    http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page//.premium-1.709014

    Israel tech site paying “interns” to covertly plant stories in social media

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-tech-site-paying-interns-covertly-plant-stories-social-media

    Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook

    Not to mention that every US taxpayers “loan” that ‘Israel’ receives has never been paid back. The Israeli Occupied Congress curiously “forgives” all these huge debts. As if it wasn’t assumed at the beginning.

    “Jame Bamford of Wired subsequently reported that the NSA had hired secretive contractors with extensive ties to Israeli intelligence to establish 10 to 20 wiretapping rooms at key telecommunication points throughout the country.”
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-impact-of-nsa-domestic-spying-2013-6#ixzz3NxPMujNo

    “Two Secretive Israeli Companies Reportedly Bugged The US Telecommunications Grid For The NSA”
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-bugged-the-us-for-the-nsa-2013-6#ixzz3NxPnnUFg

    “IDF Unit 8200 Cyberwar Veterans Developed NSA Snooping Technology”
    Read more:http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2013/06/08/idf-unit-8200-cyberwar-veterans-developed-nsa-snooping-technology/

    How to Bring Down the Elephant in the Room

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/how-to-bring-down-the-elephant-in-the-room/

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    • Replies: @moi
    Top-notch links! Thanks!!!
    , @Chu
    The mooch fest never ends, unless there's a growing under-current to cut the tentacles. And with cooperative efforts like Technion/Cornell partnering, they are anchoring themselves to the US indefinitely - so if they fail, they'll pull the US down with them.

    They brought Zionist terror to the Middle East, but the victim shtick, via hollywood, has caused the complacent TV-watchers to be lulled into a false narrative, and who never challenge what a corrupt collective of occupiers, and land swindlers they are.

    A review of ‘Being in Time: A Post-Political Manifesto’ – by Gilad Atzmon
    https://platosguns.com/2017/06/24/athens-versus-jerusalem/
    , @chris
    Thanks for the list, Wally.

    I haven't gone through all the links yet, but what all of them usually miss is the money we pay to Israel's neighbors like Jordan and Egypt. The purpose of those payments are to placate it's neighbors - none of who would get anything if it wasn't for their location.

    And that's, only part of the treasure costs, leaving out the cost in blood

  3. Israel’s global news penetration (via hasbara) and other disinformation strategies are routine. Diabolical, but routine.

    The Zionist state’s various tricks and manipulations are legendary and ruthless. They function as a backdoor attack on intellectual liberty as well as open political discourse. They are anti-democratic.

    Thus, even ‘freedom of expression’ in America is under constant Israeli pressure and surveillance. No stone goes unturned.

    This is why Holocaust ‘education’ is ubiquitous and, when possible, mandatory. If the stories fail, inject guilt. It’s an unscrupulous strategy that is working.

    Meanwhile, Zionist myths rain down endlessly via American TV and throughout American mass media. Deep Zionist victimology has penetrated even US public schools. Hasbara is strategic. It is unrelenting. Ironically, it represents the tribal interest of a foreign power. Do Americans live under soft occupation? It increasingly looks that way.

    This explains why Jewish suffering, Jewish innocence, and Jewish victimology are now compulsory subjects in American life–from schools to children’s TV, to higher education and adult cinema. ‘Dominare the message’.

    On the other hand, Israel’s commitment to segregation between Jews and gentiles is quietly steadfast. ”Unshakable’. This head-scratching phenomena has been obscured by the Fake News meme involving America’s ‘Judeo-Christian’ heritage. Yet it is an absolute ruse. No such heritage exists. These are Zionist-lead political movements and Zionist headlines. They tread on the thin, manufactured ice. Theydo not exist organically.

    Christ’s teachings were in fact a break from Judaism. Christ said as much. Christianity is an Open Admissions theology that stresses universal ethics that are non-racial. On the other hand, Israel is tribal, racial and exclusionary. This wouldn’t be so repulsive if not for Israel’s vociferous (and insincere) support for ‘equality’ and its pious contempt for ‘white nationalism’.

    Jewish racism is commanded by God. And Israel’s ethical basis is polluted by nepotism, ‘chosenness’ and racial favoritism under God. It is a collection of myths and yarns that drip with tribal supremacism.

    It’s worth remembering also that Jews in Israel have a distinct word for their version of ‘Apartheid’. It is ‘Hafrada’, which means ‘separation’ in Hebrew. Ever heard of it? Of course not! Hasbara operatives and their cousins in US news media make sure of that.

    Sadly, we Americans live under soft occupation.

    Significantly, few non-Jews have ever heard of ‘hafrada’. But everyone has heard of ‘Apartheid’.
    Gee. How come?

    We can thank the legions of young Israeli activists (and their elders) for this deliberate omission and assorted side shows. Control speech. Control thought.

    Make no mistake about it: Israel is a racial supremacist state. Segregation is a core Zionist value. Jewish exceptionalism is their paramount goal. America is a useful, but temporary, ally. This is the nature of the ‘special relationship.’

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    Elliott Abrams, the criminal pardoned by George H.W. Bush, which allowed him to serve in George W. Bush’s National Security Council, founding member of the Project for the New American Century and son-in-law to neocon godfather Norman Podhoretz proudly stated:

    “Judaism demands "apartness," Mr. Abrams says. This is a "metaphysical" separateness; a Jew shouldn't live in a psychological or physical ghetto. But everything should be done to prevent "prolonged and intimate exposure to non-Jewish culture."
    , @Chet Roman
    Elliott Abrams, the criminal pardoned by George H.W. Bush, which allowed him to serve in George W. Bush’s National Security Council, founding member of the Project for the New American Century and son-in-law to neocon godfather Norman Podhoretz, proudly stated:

    “Judaism demands "apartness," Mr. Abrams says. This is a "metaphysical" separateness; a Jew shouldn't live in a psychological or physical ghetto. But everything should be done to prevent "prolonged and intimate exposure to non-Jewish culture."

    One wonders why they stay in the U.S. among the inferior "non-Jewish culture". The answer is clear, they can be more effective to the country to which they are truly loyal by living among the goyim and influencing policies that benefit Israel. That is why the Australian/Israeli citizen, Martin Indyk, moved to the U.S. and became a U.S. citizen, to better help Israel. That's why many U.S. "citizens" (Rahm Emanuel, Jeffrey Goldberg, David Brooks' son, etc.) decide join the IDF instead of the U.S. military.

    , @Dr. X
    Absolutely brilliant post. Couldn't have said it better myself.
    , @druid
    Wow, excellently put! And so true.
    , @anonymous
    "Christianity is an Open Admissions theology that stresses universal ethics that are non-racial"

    Chee, who would have thunk that the christian west, by your definition above, is not christian at all.

    You learn something new everyday.

  4. the commenters generally go by American-sounding names and use fake email addresses.

    LOL.

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  5. Zionists never foresaw that having an own state would demonstrate what jews are capable of.
    In 1948, thanks to the persecutions of the jews during WWII, Israel had a lot of sympathy in the world.
    Nowadays, with no solution anywhere in sight for the Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed in 1948, in Germany a Secretary for, against, Antisemitism seems necessary.
    Germany debates if criticism of Israel, antizionism, is he same as antisemitism.
    Norman Finkelstein and Ilian Pappe recently were not allowed to speak in Germany.
    Indeed Israel is great in propaganda, but the effects are less and less.
    Israel has but one ‘friend’, the USA, and how sincere this friendship is is more and more debatable.
    Mobilising jews to write on fora, in many languages, any time there have been Israeli atrocities, may have the opposite effect.
    Anyone familiar with these fora notices how these propagandists pop up, and disappear after some time.
    What they are paid even is known, four or five dollars per message.
    It looks like ‘you can fool all people some time, some people all the time, but not all the people all the time’, still is true.

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    In 1948, thanks to the persecutions of the jews during WWII, Israel had a lot of sympathy in the world.
     
    Perhaps more accurately stated as alleged persecutions.

    Ii increasingly appears that much of the persecution that took place was done by the alleged victims. Look at what scum were at the center of the Bolshevik crimes, for instance. Funny how little we ever hear about that.
    , @annamaria
    "Zionists never foresaw that having an own state would demonstrate what jews are capable of."
    But the truth is coming out: " Selected Articles: Criminal Israel Under the Spotlight" http://www.globalresearch.ca/selected-articles-criminal-israel-under-the-spotlight/5596278
    The articles show American taxpayers' money in action.
    Again, what was the aftermath of 9/11 about - fighting against Al Qaeda? If yes, then why should not Israel be designated as a terrorist state supporting Al Qaeda, the US sworn enemy? It seems that Al Qaeda is "good guys" nowadays because they help to farther the Eretz Israel project...
    The Israel-occupied US government is proverbially dancing on the graves of 9/11 victims: “How America Armed Terrorists in Syria” https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/
    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syria-manpads-rebels-war-russia-609832353 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-arms-idUSKBN14G12Y
    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/world/europe/2016/12/28/weapons-could-end-up-with-jihadists–russia.html
    http://thegenerator.news/us-to-flood-syria-with-anti-aircraft-guns/
    , @annamaria
    More on Syria and the upcoming false flag:
    "White House Says It Will Fake "Chemical Weapon Attack" In Syria" http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/06/white-house-says-it-will-fake-chemical-weapon-attacks-in-syria.html#comments
    , @RothZio
    There is a working theory that the Rothschild banking family, who likely remain the richest family in the world, wanted a private state of their own with all of the benefits therein - a private army, private nukes, private assassination and espionage service, refuge for its agents to escape to. Since they started to buy up Jerusalem and parcels of land in Palestine, asked Lord Balfour to give them a homeland in Palestine in 1917 and then someone like Hitler showed up on the scene to create worldwide sympathy for Jews, it seems likely that much of 20th century world history was engineered by them to achieve the above ends. (No one says this was easy, and it would certainly be an impressive feat of gargantuan proportions but if the prize is big enough, the effort will be commensurate to the reward).
    Hitler shut down the Jewish press overnight except for that of the labour Zionists, and given that he helped the latter relocate to Palestine, it seems that there was a magic sleight-of-hand with sympathy for Jews being transferred to the interests of the Rothschild Zionists, who are Sabbatean-Kabbalist-Satanists. Israel is the command central for the Rothschild fulfillment of the plans in the Protocols.
    So yes Jews were killed by einsatzgruppen but Jews of only a certain political persuasion that just happened to align with the Rothschild interests were rescued and brought to the safety unless they got out on their own.
    When diaspora Jews help Israel, it is because they have been successfully tricked into helping the Rothschilds. These diaspora Jews are pawns in a game they don't know they are part of. It took pretty sophisticated mindcontrol techniques to achieve this.
    So I think the Zionists fully knew what they could get diaspora Jews to do for them.
  6. “What is occurring is essentially an intelligence operation directed against the United States, something that the CIA would have run back in the 1970s and 1980s”

    Hi Phil

    Jesse Ventura would have us believe the CIA is as busy as it ever had been, when it comes to running operations against the American people. I agree with Jesse.

    Meanwhile, here’s a collection of links I’d assembled some time back, includes American military psyops (esp Air Force) along the lines of hasbara (who’re also included)

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/04/18/military-sock-puppets-nsa-trolls-cia-shills/

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    Whoa! thanks for that. Superb.

    But of course, Jesse's been predictably, scurrilously written off as some sort of dimwit. I wonder why...
    , @DaveE
    I second j_s on your collection of links. VERY well done, sir. Thanks to you and Unz for allowing stuff like this.
  7. Z-man says:

    The Power of the Cabal is almost omnipotent. Almost..
    ..In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, Amen.

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    • Replies: @Koba
    Cabal has that covered also with their version of Trinity:
    Nation wrecking, Brainwashing and Shekel, Shalom
    , @anonymous
    "In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, Amen"

    In other words, what you are essentially saying is; I am a deluded kook. Amen.
  8. Z-man says:
    @exiled off mainstreet
    This is documented long-term foreign influence which has reached treason levels in the past, for instance at the time the USS Liberty was sunk in June, 1967. This can be contrasted with the phony Russia accusations levelled by many of the same people whose first loyalty is to the Israeli state rather than to the yankee imperium employing them. I don't see this ending well.

    I don’t see this ending well.

    One prays for the Second Coming at times like these..

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    • Replies: @Mooser
    "One prays for the Second Coming at times like these.."

    I suppose sex might be a way to get your mind off it.
  9. The real insight of HBD is not that races differ in IQ and testosterone but in psychopathy.

    Its been very obvious jews are vastly over represented in arms dealing, bribery (including legalised bribery via donations), insider dealing, pornography, child trafficiking etc.

    The reason they make up 40% of the Forbes list is psychopathy more than IQ.

    They have a different frontal lobe. Thats why they expend so much effort stopping any discussion about race. Its been obvious for hundreds of years in fact. And many like Marx, Durkheim, Zola, Ford, Martin Luther, Niethsche have written about it using language of their time.

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  10. And no, I don’t believe Ron Unz in particular is a psychopath. Far from it. In much the same way, I don’t think every black is a great athlete or every white is a high empathy person/sap.

    But if you studied the brains, which they have in Tavistock I assure you, I would strongly suspect that physiologically and neurologically, jews have ‘psychopathic’ brains – pronness to inert rage, deceptive personality, compulsive lying, low empathy, strival for domination, anti-social ideas of how the world should be.

    Put the brackets around the names and link their advice to the real world outcomes. Its uncanny.

    Evil seeks evil outcomes. That is the only way to tell evil. In the aesthetic of its intent.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    "jews have ‘psychopathic’ brains – pronness to inert rage, deceptive personality, compulsive lying, low empathy, strival for domination, anti-social ideas of how the world should be."

    LOL! You just described the white elites perfectly. Unless you think hitler, stalin, churchill, etc., etc., where judens.
  11. Wally,

    The CIA and NSA are essentially the jewish elite secret police. They align exactly with Mossad. Hence 9-11.

    Read the Devil’s Chessboard by Stephen Talbot. We’ve previoulsy lived under a gentile plutocracy since the assasination of JFK.

    But something happened since as Zion rose to prominence. The coup against Nixon by the Deep State is a part of the puzzle. Allen Welsh Dulles groomed Nixon. So his loyalists would never have removed him. My hunch is that Nixon’s fall to the Washington Post, consummate deep state pillar, is the key to understanding the later 20th century and our current ‘occupation’. Its a pity nobody could ask David Rockefeller in candour how his group had lost control or merged with the new Zionists.

    Game theory suggests high IQ psychopaths always come out top unless stopped by exile, murder or imprisonment – or each other. The jews have tribal affinity however and wouldn’t take out each other usually.

    As the jews had taken over the media and academia, all the intrigue of the Corridors of Rome acts were hushed. Just like the Jews probably took over the Corridors of Rome in Constantine’s time, hence his conversion.

    Tip of the iceberg indeed. I would be greatly appreciative if someone could speculate with a high IQ what happened post JFK. I find informed specualtion by very high VIQ types a lot more informative than aspergery point and click ‘evidence’ exercises.

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    • Replies: @Bro Methylene
    Your comments about the "corridors of Rome" reveal your stupidity. One could write paragraphs about your ignorance, but suffice it to say, you and those like you are why the USA is in such a catastrophic mess.
  12. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    You can also add MEMRI’s Cyber Jihad lab.

    http://cjlab.memri.org/

    MEMRI is another Zionist front that translates Arabic/Palestinian ‘news’ sources and provides our quisling Congress with daily updates on terrorist activity.

    Founded in 1998 “to inform the debate over U.S. policy in the Middle East,” MEMRI (the Middle East Media Research Institute) claims to be an “independent, nonpartisan, nonprofit” organization. However, while the group is lauded by some observers for revealing various facets of Arab society to broader audiences, its trajectory and direction have been largely dominated by hawkish “pro-Israel” politics, and its work has been repeatedly criticized for being biased and at times purposely misleading.

    http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/middle_east_media_research_institute/

    Shadow President Kushner visits his good buddy Netenyahu, and upon his return, the WH announces their latest bombing campaign against Syria, and includes Russia and Iran in the threat:

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=153828

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  13. mcohen says:

    I got a 140 IQ.not bad for a half deaf boarding school mutt.and a Jew to boot.so I must be a psycho.like in the movie.

    word of warning.avoid flying anywhere in the middle east for the next month.heavy weather.snowstorms,earthquakes,tsunamis,volcanoes and assorted falling stars

    also Mr Abbas and company.your last exit to Brooklyn is coming up.via the Damascus gate

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Hey mcohen your frontal lobe buzzing? So is this mutt's. Today on the 3rd of Tammuz we read Midrash Tanhuma......to Abbas :-)

    את בעירם: מכאן שחס הקב"ה על ממונם של ישראל:
  14. mcohen says:

    here it is folks……in all its glory.enjoy.just the plain truth

    https://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/2017/06/the-forgotten-truth-about-the-balfour-declaration/

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    • Replies: @KA
    The Balfour Declaration may have been delivered by patrician British diplomats in the imperial splendour of Whitehall, but in many ways it had been conceived 200 miles further north, amongst the second-generation Jewish immigrants of industrial Manchester.

    Harry Sacher, a fiercely intelligent journalist on the Manchester Guardian. 
    Sacher’s friend from Oxford, Leon Simon, provided further intellectual rigour and went on to become a senior civil servant. 
    Also at the group’s centre were Simon Marks and Israel Sieff. (Marks & Spencer a a family business )


    They also formed their own remarkably compact familial unit, with Israel Sieff and Harry Sacher both marrying Simon Marks’ sisters, Rebecca and Miriam. Marks in turn married Sieff’s sister Miriam.
    In 1914, the outbreak of the First World War opened up new avenues of opportunity for the Anglo-Zionists, as the Ottoman rulers of Palestine had now become enemies of the British.

    Weizmann met C.P. Scott at a garden party in Manchester. 
    Scott, a former Liberal politician and the editor of the Manchester Guardian, found Weizmann “extraordinarily interesting” and the two formed an instant rapport. His newspaper, became an increasingly staunch supporter of the Zionist cause, with Harry Sacher leading the charge. 
    Scott was also extraordinarily generous in wielding his considerable political influence on behalf of Weizmann and the Manchester Zionists. 
    In 1915, Scott brought Weizmann to meet David Lloyd George, then the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Lloyd George’s biblical upbringing and imperial inclinations made him susceptible to the Zionist cause. Exposure to the full force of Weizmann’s persuasive charm did the rest.
    It was another Manchester friend, philosopher Samuel Alexander (the first Jewish fellow of an Oxford college), who arranged a fateful meeting between Weizmann and Arthur Balfour.
    https://www.thejc.com/lifestyle/features/chaim-weizmann-and-how-the-balfour-declaration-was-made-in-manchester-1.37772

    In 1916, David Lloyd George became Prime Minister and Balfour was appointed as Foreign Secretary. Weizmann now had the support of the key decision-makers in the British government. 
    Sensing a potential opportunity, the Manchester Zionists also stepped up their campaign. Sacher, Sieff and Marks formed the British Palestine Committee along with their friend Herbert Sidebotham, another influential Manchester Guardian journalist. 
    Funded by Sieff and Marks, the committee published a journal, Palestine, which advocated a Jewish Palestine under British protection. Their prose was so vehement at times that Sir Mark Sykes asked Weizmann to rein in his supporters for fear of upsetting the diplomatic apple cart.https://www.thejc.com/lifestyle/features/chaim-weizmann-and-how-the-balfour-declaration-was-made-in-manchester-1.37772

  15. …sites that permit comments on our articles are almost immediately inundated with hostile postings that are remarkably similar in both tone and substance.

    Speaking of substance, they typically lack any of it. They usually resort to smarmy personal attacks as well as scatological foolishness and crass bragging. Some resort to juvenile pseudo-intellectual banter that’s obviously intended to intimidate or humiliate, while another favorite tactic seems to be off topic trash that’s also supposed to impress the rest of us somehow.

    Nevertheless, I encourage the trolls to keep it up and leave them to figure out why.

    But the largely clandestine Israeli effort to influence American opinion is unique in that it comes from a country which receives more than $3 billion annually from the U.S. taxpayer. We Americans are therefore paying to be propagandized by people working for a foreign government who often pretend to be our fellow citizens but are not.

    Yeah, that really burns.

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    The typical hasbara troll's embarrassingly puerile shot at cleverness corroborates the evidence that these trolls are in their teens or at most in their early twenties. "Sherman" exemplifies this childish, too-clever-by-half trait.

    It's been my observation that there's another line of attack by poisoning the well with over-the-top anti-Semitism, and we should be suspicious of any sophisticated site that allows these trolls to paint its comment board with swastikas.

    This well-poisoning tactic goes all the way back to the ADL's seeding stories regarding the Leo Frank trial with sensationally more damning but easily falsified accusations to ultimately discredit the real evidence. This tactic has been a fovorite of (likely) disinfo psy op sites and trolls in seeding nonsense into scientific and engineering domenstrations of 911 controlled demo, as well as into the overwhelmingly convincing circumstantial evidence implicating Israel and its fifth column in 911.

    Lastly, and I apologize for the long reply, I get the impression that the disinfo ops are also used to measure the gullibility of these sites' followers. I say this because I see postings of unsubstantiated, extravagant, and even anonymous stories--those demanding the highest degree of verification--accepted at face value by commenters whom the fake and phony muckrakers, seeking more funding I assume, then claim are representative. In other words, the widespread inability to evaluate evidence and draw realistic conclusions from it and concomitant susceptibility to brainwashing and propaganda is being field tested by many of the sites claiming to unmask brainwashing and propaganda.
  16. @jilles dykstra
    Zionists never foresaw that having an own state would demonstrate what jews are capable of.
    In 1948, thanks to the persecutions of the jews during WWII, Israel had a lot of sympathy in the world.
    Nowadays, with no solution anywhere in sight for the Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed in 1948, in Germany a Secretary for, against, Antisemitism seems necessary.
    Germany debates if criticism of Israel, antizionism, is he same as antisemitism.
    Norman Finkelstein and Ilian Pappe recently were not allowed to speak in Germany.
    Indeed Israel is great in propaganda, but the effects are less and less.
    Israel has but one 'friend', the USA, and how sincere this friendship is is more and more debatable.
    Mobilising jews to write on fora, in many languages, any time there have been Israeli atrocities, may have the opposite effect.
    Anyone familiar with these fora notices how these propagandists pop up, and disappear after some time.
    What they are paid even is known, four or five dollars per message.
    It looks like 'you can fool all people some time, some people all the time, but not all the people all the time', still is true.

    In 1948, thanks to the persecutions of the jews during WWII, Israel had a lot of sympathy in the world.

    Perhaps more accurately stated as alleged persecutions.

    Ii increasingly appears that much of the persecution that took place was done by the alleged victims. Look at what scum were at the center of the Bolshevik crimes, for instance. Funny how little we ever hear about that.

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    • Replies: @druid
    I've been saying that for years. They were elitists who lorded it over their Polish countrymen in Poland. Looked down on every person in countries where they were allowed, took over financially with nepotism, dirty money business, etc., eventually pissing everybody off. They do this wherever they go, and then wonder.... while robbing the natives!!!!ny slight is called persecution and they cry and whine for millennia!
  17. @Ronald Thomas West
    "What is occurring is essentially an intelligence operation directed against the United States, something that the CIA would have run back in the 1970s and 1980s"

    Hi Phil

    Jesse Ventura would have us believe the CIA is as busy as it ever had been, when it comes to running operations against the American people. I agree with Jesse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIzfXOfpFcA

    Meanwhile, here's a collection of links I'd assembled some time back, includes American military psyops (esp Air Force) along the lines of hasbara (who're also included)

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/04/18/military-sock-puppets-nsa-trolls-cia-shills/

    ^

    Whoa! thanks for that. Superb.

    But of course, Jesse’s been predictably, scurrilously written off as some sort of dimwit. I wonder why…

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  18. Sherman says:

    I had no idea about ACT.IL.

    I’m going to download this app now. I’m also going to tell my hundreds of friends on Facebook.

    Thanks!

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  19. lavoisier says: • Website

    Ideas have power. Hence the desire to control ideas. To control minds.

    I have always thought that the Bolsheviks were Masters at thought control. The ultimate control freaks.

    But why such comfort with lies and deception? Why not be open to the free exchange of ideas?

    Without openness to ideas civilization stagnates as talent is buried.

    This IS scary.

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  20. anarchyst says:

    Normally, the 50th anniversary of any notable event is celebrated, or at least recognized and discussed.
    Not so, with the deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty (GTR-5). Not one peep…
    WHY??
    The worldwide “lugenpresse” is wholly owned, lock, stock and barrel by “you know who”–

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  21. Jake says:

    “That Israel can continue to reap huge amounts of aid and political cover from Washington while it is actively working to make sure that Americans are poorly informed about the Middle East reveals more than anything the corruption of our political class and media, both of which appear to be ready to sell out for thirty shekels to anyone with the cash in hand. Time to drain the swamp, indeed.”

    That is a very well written sentence for adults – as opposed to the 4 to 8 word sentences the simpletons think profound.

    But it is not true. The American Elites will not sell out to just anyone. In fact, they do not see what they are doing in regard to Israel as selling out. They see what they are doing in regard to Israel and to Saudi Arabia as being true to WASP culture.

    And they are correct.

    WASP culture is Modern English culture, which was formed first by the Norman losing French language and French ways of seeing the world and replacing them with Anglo-Saxon, and therefore Germanic, language and ways of seeing the world. The 2 parts of the Anglophone Reformation cemented that complete cultural change on the part of the English Elites. They became WASPs. And that meant they were finally formed by the Puritans, which was a thorough Judaizing heresy. Modern English culture is built upon being a Judaizing heresy.

    Judaizing heresey leads naturally, inevitably, to pro-Semitic politics and culture.

    WASP culture is and always will be a pro-Semitic culture. Therefore, to the WASP Elite, even totally destroying Middle Eastern Christianity while economically destroying the American white working class and also while promoting Israel is not a sell out. The WASP Elites see that as serving the historic basis of WASP culture.

    The root problem is WASP culture. If you serve it; if you promote it: then you promote that which is guaranteed to deliver what we have.

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    • Replies: @anarchyst
    You are correct. Even the modern-day Catholic Church was "judaized" by the implementation of the so-called "reforms" of the Vatican II "ecumenical council".
    Many of these "reforms" were successful in "Protestantizing" the Catholic Church, taking it away from its true mission.
    Absolving the jews of responsibility for Jesus Christ's crucifixion and death is but one major "error". As is the case today, jews got others (Romans) to do their "dirty work" for them.
    The prohibition on the celebration of the Tridentine (Latin) Mass was but another "error" which destroyed the universality of the Mass. Prior to Vatican II, one could go to Mass anywhere in the Roman Catholic world and understand it. Celebrating the Mass in the vernacular language destroyed this "universality".
    Thankfully, the prohibition on the celebration of the Latin Mass has been partially lifted, and is being celebrated in small congregations to this day.
    The priest facing the congregation is but another "error". This one step removed the priest from being a representative of the congregation, to becoming an "actor".
    For pre-Vatican II congregations, please look up SSPX (The Society of St. Pius X).
    As an aside, the present pope appointed a jewish rabbi to an important position within the church...
  22. anarchyst says:
    @Jake
    "That Israel can continue to reap huge amounts of aid and political cover from Washington while it is actively working to make sure that Americans are poorly informed about the Middle East reveals more than anything the corruption of our political class and media, both of which appear to be ready to sell out for thirty shekels to anyone with the cash in hand. Time to drain the swamp, indeed."

    That is a very well written sentence for adults - as opposed to the 4 to 8 word sentences the simpletons think profound.

    But it is not true. The American Elites will not sell out to just anyone. In fact, they do not see what they are doing in regard to Israel as selling out. They see what they are doing in regard to Israel and to Saudi Arabia as being true to WASP culture.

    And they are correct.

    WASP culture is Modern English culture, which was formed first by the Norman losing French language and French ways of seeing the world and replacing them with Anglo-Saxon, and therefore Germanic, language and ways of seeing the world. The 2 parts of the Anglophone Reformation cemented that complete cultural change on the part of the English Elites. They became WASPs. And that meant they were finally formed by the Puritans, which was a thorough Judaizing heresy. Modern English culture is built upon being a Judaizing heresy.

    Judaizing heresey leads naturally, inevitably, to pro-Semitic politics and culture.

    WASP culture is and always will be a pro-Semitic culture. Therefore, to the WASP Elite, even totally destroying Middle Eastern Christianity while economically destroying the American white working class and also while promoting Israel is not a sell out. The WASP Elites see that as serving the historic basis of WASP culture.

    The root problem is WASP culture. If you serve it; if you promote it: then you promote that which is guaranteed to deliver what we have.

    You are correct. Even the modern-day Catholic Church was “judaized” by the implementation of the so-called “reforms” of the Vatican II “ecumenical council”.
    Many of these “reforms” were successful in “Protestantizing” the Catholic Church, taking it away from its true mission.
    Absolving the jews of responsibility for Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and death is but one major “error”. As is the case today, jews got others (Romans) to do their “dirty work” for them.
    The prohibition on the celebration of the Tridentine (Latin) Mass was but another “error” which destroyed the universality of the Mass. Prior to Vatican II, one could go to Mass anywhere in the Roman Catholic world and understand it. Celebrating the Mass in the vernacular language destroyed this “universality”.
    Thankfully, the prohibition on the celebration of the Latin Mass has been partially lifted, and is being celebrated in small congregations to this day.
    The priest facing the congregation is but another “error”. This one step removed the priest from being a representative of the congregation, to becoming an “actor”.
    For pre-Vatican II congregations, please look up SSPX (The Society of St. Pius X).
    As an aside, the present pope appointed a jewish rabbi to an important position within the church…

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    • Replies: @Jake
    That is a very important point about the Latin and Mass. I was raised a very conservative Protestant - think Southern Baptist in the South, before the 1990s. But the 11th commandment to many was: Worship in the vernacular.

    It made sense to me, until I thought about it. It guarantees ever widening division. The reason English imperialists have always forced language conversion is that one language controls tendencies toward division division, division that eventually can and will cause rupture.

    The system of Christendom, with Latin Mass for all, meant that even empires with 4 or 5 major languages and a couple of dozen different dialects saw each vernacular kept alive with unity under Latin and Christ. The Reformation meant that those who led the Reformation, those profiting by it, acted to exterminate vernaculars they saw as those of pro-Catholics or as being too small to ever be valuable in fiscal terms.

    Spiritual disunity and European cultural/linguistic genocide, leading to a void that kept growing: those are the fruits of the Reformation.

    France will either repent of The Revolution and move embrace its historic role as First Daughter of the Church (with Latin Mass), or France is dead - spiritually and then culturally and finally genetically.

    England will either repent of the Reformation and move to embrace being Mary's Dowry, or England is dead - just like France will be.

    Germany will either repent of the Reformation and act to re-form the Holy Roman Empire, or Germany is dead - just as England will be.

    If Russia wishes to save the West from its own decadence, Russia must act to become the true Third Rome, which requires the Russian Church to embrace and promote Latin and spiritual unity Latin.
    , @Alan Donelson
    Michael Hoffman's latest, greatest work -- The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome -- demonstrates the "Judaic influence" dates back far earlier than Vatican II.
    https://www.revisionisthistory.org/
  23. Sam Shama says:
    @mcohen
    I got a 140 IQ.not bad for a half deaf boarding school mutt.and a Jew to boot.so I must be a psycho.like in the movie.

    word of warning.avoid flying anywhere in the middle east for the next month.heavy weather.snowstorms,earthquakes,tsunamis,volcanoes and assorted falling stars

    also Mr Abbas and company.your last exit to Brooklyn is coming up.via the Damascus gate

    Hey mcohen your frontal lobe buzzing? So is this mutt’s. Today on the 3rd of Tammuz we read Midrash Tanhuma……to Abbas :-)

    את בעירם: מכאן שחס הקב”ה על ממונם של ישראל:

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    I hope he gets the message
    , @RobinG
    [The perennial bickering over Israel will keep.]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEjZ5gI9GaM&t=8s
    UNREAL: The real election interference scandal HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT
  24. Jason Liu says:

    Also interesting is how they manage to do this without widespread condemnation and/or suspicion. It’s like people know about it, but the Israelis create an environment where people don’t quite care. Contrast that to the wumao, China’s paid commenters, who arouse widespread suspicion and constant accusations of shilling.

    So Israel must have gone one step further. They manage their image with propagandists, but they also manage the image of the propagandist as well.

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  25. biz says:

    This article is hilarious and ironic because with the substitution of a few words it is actually more-or-less accurately describing the boring and repetitive anti-Israel tripe that gets vomited all over the internet daily.

    - Flooding comment sections in a coordinated way with boilerplate talking points? Check.

    - Subtle and consistent problems with English indicating coordinated Iranian and Arab operations? Check.

    - Coordinated attempts to propaganda edit Wikipedia? Check.

    So yeah, with the substitution of ‘Iran and Qatar’ for ‘Israel’ and ‘brainless idiot far-leftists the world over’ for ‘CAMERA’ this would actually be some pretty good reporting.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    Thanks for that sir. Now, please proceed to collect your 5bucks, from that weirdo with the payot.
    , @Eagle Eye

    with the substitution of a few words it is actually more-or-less accurately describing the boring and repetitive anti-Israel tripe that gets vomited all over the [I]nternet daily.
     
    There is one difference - the Qataris pay better.
  26. moi says:
    @Wally
    Tip of the iceberg:

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    "Jewish groups get up to 97% of grants from the Homeland Security"
    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/islamophobia-shmislamophobia-97-of-homeland-security-security-grants-go-to-jewish-orgs

    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    The Zionist attempt to control language.
    The Israel Project’s 2009 GLOBAL LANGUAGE DICTIONARY
    https://www.transcend.org/tms/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sf-israel-projects-2009-global-language-dictionary.pdf

    The commander behind the pro-Israel student troops on U.S. college campuses
    http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page//.premium-1.709014

    Israel tech site paying “interns” to covertly plant stories in social media
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-tech-site-paying-interns-covertly-plant-stories-social-media

    Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook

    Not to mention that every US taxpayers "loan" that 'Israel' receives has never been paid back. The Israeli Occupied Congress curiously "forgives" all these huge debts. As if it wasn't assumed at the beginning.

    "Jame Bamford of Wired subsequently reported that the NSA had hired secretive contractors with extensive ties to Israeli intelligence to establish 10 to 20 wiretapping rooms at key telecommunication points throughout the country."
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-impact-of-nsa-domestic-spying-2013-6#ixzz3NxPMujNo

    "Two Secretive Israeli Companies Reportedly Bugged The US Telecommunications Grid For The NSA"
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-bugged-the-us-for-the-nsa-2013-6#ixzz3NxPnnUFg

    "IDF Unit 8200 Cyberwar Veterans Developed NSA Snooping Technology"
    Read more:http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2013/06/08/idf-unit-8200-cyberwar-veterans-developed-nsa-snooping-technology/

    How to Bring Down the Elephant in the Room
    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/how-to-bring-down-the-elephant-in-the-room/

    Top-notch links! Thanks!!!

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  27. DanCT says:
    @jacques sheete

    ...sites that permit comments on our articles are almost immediately inundated with hostile postings that are remarkably similar in both tone and substance.
     
    Speaking of substance, they typically lack any of it. They usually resort to smarmy personal attacks as well as scatological foolishness and crass bragging. Some resort to juvenile pseudo-intellectual banter that's obviously intended to intimidate or humiliate, while another favorite tactic seems to be off topic trash that's also supposed to impress the rest of us somehow.

    Nevertheless, I encourage the trolls to keep it up and leave them to figure out why.


    But the largely clandestine Israeli effort to influence American opinion is unique in that it comes from a country which receives more than $3 billion annually from the U.S. taxpayer. We Americans are therefore paying to be propagandized by people working for a foreign government who often pretend to be our fellow citizens but are not.
     
    Yeah, that really burns.

    The typical hasbara troll’s embarrassingly puerile shot at cleverness corroborates the evidence that these trolls are in their teens or at most in their early twenties. “Sherman” exemplifies this childish, too-clever-by-half trait.

    It’s been my observation that there’s another line of attack by poisoning the well with over-the-top anti-Semitism, and we should be suspicious of any sophisticated site that allows these trolls to paint its comment board with swastikas.

    This well-poisoning tactic goes all the way back to the ADL’s seeding stories regarding the Leo Frank trial with sensationally more damning but easily falsified accusations to ultimately discredit the real evidence. This tactic has been a fovorite of (likely) disinfo psy op sites and trolls in seeding nonsense into scientific and engineering domenstrations of 911 controlled demo, as well as into the overwhelmingly convincing circumstantial evidence implicating Israel and its fifth column in 911.

    Lastly, and I apologize for the long reply, I get the impression that the disinfo ops are also used to measure the gullibility of these sites’ followers. I say this because I see postings of unsubstantiated, extravagant, and even anonymous stories–those demanding the highest degree of verification–accepted at face value by commenters whom the fake and phony muckrakers, seeking more funding I assume, then claim are representative. In other words, the widespread inability to evaluate evidence and draw realistic conclusions from it and concomitant susceptibility to brainwashing and propaganda is being field tested by many of the sites claiming to unmask brainwashing and propaganda.

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    • Agree: jacques sheete, chris
    • Replies: @DaveE
    You bring up an important point.

    Hasbara trolls and websites which publish them are an important measure of true public opinion for the zionists. The Lobby has its own internal opinion polls which are never shared, certainly not in the crap served up to us by Zogby, Reuters and Pew, etc. etc. etc.

    I suspect that this database is far more comprehensive than commonly known, probably going as far as linking an "anti_Semite" rating to individual commenters.

    I'm probably in the top 10%, I'm proud to say.
  28. annamaria says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Zionists never foresaw that having an own state would demonstrate what jews are capable of.
    In 1948, thanks to the persecutions of the jews during WWII, Israel had a lot of sympathy in the world.
    Nowadays, with no solution anywhere in sight for the Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed in 1948, in Germany a Secretary for, against, Antisemitism seems necessary.
    Germany debates if criticism of Israel, antizionism, is he same as antisemitism.
    Norman Finkelstein and Ilian Pappe recently were not allowed to speak in Germany.
    Indeed Israel is great in propaganda, but the effects are less and less.
    Israel has but one 'friend', the USA, and how sincere this friendship is is more and more debatable.
    Mobilising jews to write on fora, in many languages, any time there have been Israeli atrocities, may have the opposite effect.
    Anyone familiar with these fora notices how these propagandists pop up, and disappear after some time.
    What they are paid even is known, four or five dollars per message.
    It looks like 'you can fool all people some time, some people all the time, but not all the people all the time', still is true.

    “Zionists never foresaw that having an own state would demonstrate what jews are capable of.”
    But the truth is coming out: ” Selected Articles: Criminal Israel Under the Spotlight” http://www.globalresearch.ca/selected-articles-criminal-israel-under-the-spotlight/5596278
    The articles show American taxpayers’ money in action.
    Again, what was the aftermath of 9/11 about – fighting against Al Qaeda? If yes, then why should not Israel be designated as a terrorist state supporting Al Qaeda, the US sworn enemy? It seems that Al Qaeda is “good guys” nowadays because they help to farther the Eretz Israel project…
    The Israel-occupied US government is proverbially dancing on the graves of 9/11 victims: “How America Armed Terrorists in Syria” https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/
    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syria-manpads-rebels-war-russia-609832353 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-arms-idUSKBN14G12Y

    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/world/europe/2016/12/28/weapons-could-end-up-with-jihadists–russia.html

    http://thegenerator.news/us-to-flood-syria-with-anti-aircraft-guns/

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  29. CAMERA is as old as the hills. I remember when I subscribed to the Atlantic back in the 80s this mangy outfit would run little 2×3 inch print ads. I always wondered what the fuss was about; I mean, who could be against accurate reporting in the ME? Then it became clear. And they most certainly should be subjected to the Foreign Agents Registration Act, as should many others, including NY-based Irish Central (a propaganda sheet for the Paddy open borders crowd).

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Irish Central is quite mild mannered for the most part; the professional Irish commentators can be quite wild. People who think the Irish Republic is ruled by the Vatican are living many years in the past. Sure, Ireland is a Catholic country; so are France and Mexico. Should websites devoted to German or Scandinavian culture be required to register as foreign agents?
  30. They not only use American-sounding names, but hilariously patriotic posting handles, like Patriot, KeepAmericaSafe, TrueAmerican, etc.

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  31. HAL 9000 says:

    By this time, pretty much everyone does this. Israel might be the biggest or most extensive, but anyone engaged in politics or related activities does pretty much the same thing.

    Any major political party now does this. For example, I was relatively sure the Democrats did this only a couple of weeks back. AG Sessions was due to testify in a major hearing. It seemed to me that the Democrats both recruited a Senator to hammer a particular theme, which was to put Sessions in a spot where he had to refuse to answer questions for perfectly legal reasons, and a small army of internet activists, paid trolls, or bots was mobilized to push memes on the internet on this topic.

    By this time, I regard a political party that does not do this as being incompetent.

    Corporations also do this. They call it ‘brand protection’ or ‘guerrilla marketing’. Anyone with a little bit of money can find firms that offer this as a service. What it costs to buy this service would seem expensive to ordinary citizens, but given the amount of money in play, the cost of a few hundred thousand to a ‘consultant’ firm is chicken feed. You don’t even need to recruit humans to do it. After all, a fake name and a fake email address can easily be connected to a computer generated fake message.

    A website I go to for news often has headlines like “Twitter explodes to …….”. I pretty much ignore these as its predictable and obvious that this can be pre-arranged and manipulated.

    The interesting issue I saw raised not too long ago let to the possibility that AI’s might manipulate this in the future. At some point, we’d have to question if there is even a human entity behind this, or is it just an AI that managing our perception towards itself or other AIs.

    There’s an old saying that all politics is local. We might actually have to go back to talking to each other face to face.

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    • Replies: @ISmellBagels
    Israel is the only country that has control of our congress, our media and the control of the dumb masses to keep driving the US to ruin. The "everyone does this" line is not much of a response.
  32. Jake says:
    @anarchyst
    You are correct. Even the modern-day Catholic Church was "judaized" by the implementation of the so-called "reforms" of the Vatican II "ecumenical council".
    Many of these "reforms" were successful in "Protestantizing" the Catholic Church, taking it away from its true mission.
    Absolving the jews of responsibility for Jesus Christ's crucifixion and death is but one major "error". As is the case today, jews got others (Romans) to do their "dirty work" for them.
    The prohibition on the celebration of the Tridentine (Latin) Mass was but another "error" which destroyed the universality of the Mass. Prior to Vatican II, one could go to Mass anywhere in the Roman Catholic world and understand it. Celebrating the Mass in the vernacular language destroyed this "universality".
    Thankfully, the prohibition on the celebration of the Latin Mass has been partially lifted, and is being celebrated in small congregations to this day.
    The priest facing the congregation is but another "error". This one step removed the priest from being a representative of the congregation, to becoming an "actor".
    For pre-Vatican II congregations, please look up SSPX (The Society of St. Pius X).
    As an aside, the present pope appointed a jewish rabbi to an important position within the church...

    That is a very important point about the Latin and Mass. I was raised a very conservative Protestant – think Southern Baptist in the South, before the 1990s. But the 11th commandment to many was: Worship in the vernacular.

    It made sense to me, until I thought about it. It guarantees ever widening division. The reason English imperialists have always forced language conversion is that one language controls tendencies toward division division, division that eventually can and will cause rupture.

    The system of Christendom, with Latin Mass for all, meant that even empires with 4 or 5 major languages and a couple of dozen different dialects saw each vernacular kept alive with unity under Latin and Christ. The Reformation meant that those who led the Reformation, those profiting by it, acted to exterminate vernaculars they saw as those of pro-Catholics or as being too small to ever be valuable in fiscal terms.

    Spiritual disunity and European cultural/linguistic genocide, leading to a void that kept growing: those are the fruits of the Reformation.

    France will either repent of The Revolution and move embrace its historic role as First Daughter of the Church (with Latin Mass), or France is dead – spiritually and then culturally and finally genetically.

    England will either repent of the Reformation and move to embrace being Mary’s Dowry, or England is dead – just like France will be.

    Germany will either repent of the Reformation and act to re-form the Holy Roman Empire, or Germany is dead – just as England will be.

    If Russia wishes to save the West from its own decadence, Russia must act to become the true Third Rome, which requires the Russian Church to embrace and promote Latin and spiritual unity Latin.

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    If Russia ever goes on a crusade to save the West, they will do it speaking Old Slavonic.
  33. Malak says:

    I suppose it was entirely predictable that an article about how Israel utilizes trolls to manipulate comment sections on the internet would be followed by a comment section full of Israeli trolls.

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  34. moi says:

    Good article, but fails to mention that the hasbara would not work without Jewish control of “our” media/entertainment (NYT, WaPo, Google, Facebook, Hollywood, TV, etc.) industry, not to mention the financial sector and disproportionate representation of Jews in Congress. Sorry, but those are facts.

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    The media supports The Lie, the corporations support the media, the judiciary supports the corporations and the government supports them all. With a lot of help from the Educational Sektor which cranks out the operatives needed to keep it all running.

    Quite a racket, I gotta say.
  35. annamaria says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Zionists never foresaw that having an own state would demonstrate what jews are capable of.
    In 1948, thanks to the persecutions of the jews during WWII, Israel had a lot of sympathy in the world.
    Nowadays, with no solution anywhere in sight for the Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed in 1948, in Germany a Secretary for, against, Antisemitism seems necessary.
    Germany debates if criticism of Israel, antizionism, is he same as antisemitism.
    Norman Finkelstein and Ilian Pappe recently were not allowed to speak in Germany.
    Indeed Israel is great in propaganda, but the effects are less and less.
    Israel has but one 'friend', the USA, and how sincere this friendship is is more and more debatable.
    Mobilising jews to write on fora, in many languages, any time there have been Israeli atrocities, may have the opposite effect.
    Anyone familiar with these fora notices how these propagandists pop up, and disappear after some time.
    What they are paid even is known, four or five dollars per message.
    It looks like 'you can fool all people some time, some people all the time, but not all the people all the time', still is true.

    More on Syria and the upcoming false flag:
    “White House Says It Will Fake “Chemical Weapon Attack” In Syria” http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/06/white-house-says-it-will-fake-chemical-weapon-attacks-in-syria.html#comments

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  36. @HAL 9000
    By this time, pretty much everyone does this. Israel might be the biggest or most extensive, but anyone engaged in politics or related activities does pretty much the same thing.

    Any major political party now does this. For example, I was relatively sure the Democrats did this only a couple of weeks back. AG Sessions was due to testify in a major hearing. It seemed to me that the Democrats both recruited a Senator to hammer a particular theme, which was to put Sessions in a spot where he had to refuse to answer questions for perfectly legal reasons, and a small army of internet activists, paid trolls, or bots was mobilized to push memes on the internet on this topic.

    By this time, I regard a political party that does not do this as being incompetent.

    Corporations also do this. They call it 'brand protection' or 'guerrilla marketing'. Anyone with a little bit of money can find firms that offer this as a service. What it costs to buy this service would seem expensive to ordinary citizens, but given the amount of money in play, the cost of a few hundred thousand to a 'consultant' firm is chicken feed. You don't even need to recruit humans to do it. After all, a fake name and a fake email address can easily be connected to a computer generated fake message.

    A website I go to for news often has headlines like "Twitter explodes to .......". I pretty much ignore these as its predictable and obvious that this can be pre-arranged and manipulated.

    The interesting issue I saw raised not too long ago let to the possibility that AI's might manipulate this in the future. At some point, we'd have to question if there is even a human entity behind this, or is it just an AI that managing our perception towards itself or other AIs.

    There's an old saying that all politics is local. We might actually have to go back to talking to each other face to face.

    Israel is the only country that has control of our congress, our media and the control of the dumb masses to keep driving the US to ruin. The “everyone does this” line is not much of a response.

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  37. DaveE says:
    @DanCT
    The typical hasbara troll's embarrassingly puerile shot at cleverness corroborates the evidence that these trolls are in their teens or at most in their early twenties. "Sherman" exemplifies this childish, too-clever-by-half trait.

    It's been my observation that there's another line of attack by poisoning the well with over-the-top anti-Semitism, and we should be suspicious of any sophisticated site that allows these trolls to paint its comment board with swastikas.

    This well-poisoning tactic goes all the way back to the ADL's seeding stories regarding the Leo Frank trial with sensationally more damning but easily falsified accusations to ultimately discredit the real evidence. This tactic has been a fovorite of (likely) disinfo psy op sites and trolls in seeding nonsense into scientific and engineering domenstrations of 911 controlled demo, as well as into the overwhelmingly convincing circumstantial evidence implicating Israel and its fifth column in 911.

    Lastly, and I apologize for the long reply, I get the impression that the disinfo ops are also used to measure the gullibility of these sites' followers. I say this because I see postings of unsubstantiated, extravagant, and even anonymous stories--those demanding the highest degree of verification--accepted at face value by commenters whom the fake and phony muckrakers, seeking more funding I assume, then claim are representative. In other words, the widespread inability to evaluate evidence and draw realistic conclusions from it and concomitant susceptibility to brainwashing and propaganda is being field tested by many of the sites claiming to unmask brainwashing and propaganda.

    You bring up an important point.

    Hasbara trolls and websites which publish them are an important measure of true public opinion for the zionists. The Lobby has its own internal opinion polls which are never shared, certainly not in the crap served up to us by Zogby, Reuters and Pew, etc. etc. etc.

    I suspect that this database is far more comprehensive than commonly known, probably going as far as linking an “anti_Semite” rating to individual commenters.

    I’m probably in the top 10%, I’m proud to say.

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  38. Chu says:
    @Wally
    Tip of the iceberg:

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    "Jewish groups get up to 97% of grants from the Homeland Security"
    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/islamophobia-shmislamophobia-97-of-homeland-security-security-grants-go-to-jewish-orgs

    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    The Zionist attempt to control language.
    The Israel Project’s 2009 GLOBAL LANGUAGE DICTIONARY
    https://www.transcend.org/tms/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sf-israel-projects-2009-global-language-dictionary.pdf

    The commander behind the pro-Israel student troops on U.S. college campuses
    http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page//.premium-1.709014

    Israel tech site paying “interns” to covertly plant stories in social media
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-tech-site-paying-interns-covertly-plant-stories-social-media

    Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook

    Not to mention that every US taxpayers "loan" that 'Israel' receives has never been paid back. The Israeli Occupied Congress curiously "forgives" all these huge debts. As if it wasn't assumed at the beginning.

    "Jame Bamford of Wired subsequently reported that the NSA had hired secretive contractors with extensive ties to Israeli intelligence to establish 10 to 20 wiretapping rooms at key telecommunication points throughout the country."
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-impact-of-nsa-domestic-spying-2013-6#ixzz3NxPMujNo

    "Two Secretive Israeli Companies Reportedly Bugged The US Telecommunications Grid For The NSA"
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-bugged-the-us-for-the-nsa-2013-6#ixzz3NxPnnUFg

    "IDF Unit 8200 Cyberwar Veterans Developed NSA Snooping Technology"
    Read more:http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2013/06/08/idf-unit-8200-cyberwar-veterans-developed-nsa-snooping-technology/

    How to Bring Down the Elephant in the Room
    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/how-to-bring-down-the-elephant-in-the-room/

    The mooch fest never ends, unless there’s a growing under-current to cut the tentacles. And with cooperative efforts like Technion/Cornell partnering, they are anchoring themselves to the US indefinitely – so if they fail, they’ll pull the US down with them.

    They brought Zionist terror to the Middle East, but the victim shtick, via hollywood, has caused the complacent TV-watchers to be lulled into a false narrative, and who never challenge what a corrupt collective of occupiers, and land swindlers they are.

    A review of ‘Being in Time: A Post-Political Manifesto’ – by Gilad Atzmon

    https://platosguns.com/2017/06/24/athens-versus-jerusalem/

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  39. annamaria says:

    How Israel manages its messages? – Via the presstituting MSM like Washington Post: http://www.moonofalabama.org
    “WaPo has a 8,300 word weekend opus on how Obama failed to react to CIA director Brennan’s claims that Putin himself ordered to hack the U.S. election.
    Note:
    Reading that piece it becomes clear (but is never said) that the sole source for that August 2016 Brennan claim of “Russian hacking” is the absurd Steele dossier some ex-MI6 dude created for too much money as opposition research against Trump. The only other “evidence” for “Russian hacking” is the Crowdstrike report on the DNC “hack”. Crowdstrike has a Ukrainian nationalist agenda, was hired by the DNC, had to retract other “Russian hacking” claims and no one else was allowed to take a look at the DNC servers. Said differently: The whole “Russian hacking” claims are solely based on “evidence” of two fake reports.”

    The Crowdstrike’ report was concocted under command of Dmitri Alperovitch, a rabid Russiphobe of Jewish ethnicity, who is also an “expert” at Atlantic Council, where he joins other “experts” like Eliot Higgins. Higgins was nicely dressed recently by the honorable C0l. Pat Lang who wrote about Higgins: “… an uneducated, inexperienced guy with an opinion… The fact that this gentlemen is treated as a credible source is further proof of the insanity that has taken over the public debate. He knows nothing other than what he has read. He has not been through live agent training at Fort McClellan (I have). He has no scientific background in the subject matter and no experience (other than playing video games) with actual chemical weapons (Ted Postol, who has written extensively on the subject, does have actual scientific and military expertise on the topic). Higgins knows nothing of the military doctrine for employing such weapons. He knows nothing of the process and procedures required for a military unit to safely handle, load, activate and deploy such weapons.”

    To illustrate the power of the Lobby, it is educational to know that Higgins is also a “Visiting Research Associate at the Centre for Science and Security Studies (CSSS), Department of War Studies, King’s College London, Strand, London WC2R 2LS,” — kidding you not. http://www.kcl.ac.uk/sspp/departments/warstudies/people/visiting/higgins.aspx

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  40. DaveE says:
    @Ronald Thomas West
    "What is occurring is essentially an intelligence operation directed against the United States, something that the CIA would have run back in the 1970s and 1980s"

    Hi Phil

    Jesse Ventura would have us believe the CIA is as busy as it ever had been, when it comes to running operations against the American people. I agree with Jesse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIzfXOfpFcA

    Meanwhile, here's a collection of links I'd assembled some time back, includes American military psyops (esp Air Force) along the lines of hasbara (who're also included)

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/04/18/military-sock-puppets-nsa-trolls-cia-shills/

    ^

    I second j_s on your collection of links. VERY well done, sir. Thanks to you and Unz for allowing stuff like this.

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  41. DaveE says:
    @moi
    Good article, but fails to mention that the hasbara would not work without Jewish control of "our" media/entertainment (NYT, WaPo, Google, Facebook, Hollywood, TV, etc.) industry, not to mention the financial sector and disproportionate representation of Jews in Congress. Sorry, but those are facts.

    The media supports The Lie, the corporations support the media, the judiciary supports the corporations and the government supports them all. With a lot of help from the Educational Sektor which cranks out the operatives needed to keep it all running.

    Quite a racket, I gotta say.

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  42. @anarchyst
    You are correct. Even the modern-day Catholic Church was "judaized" by the implementation of the so-called "reforms" of the Vatican II "ecumenical council".
    Many of these "reforms" were successful in "Protestantizing" the Catholic Church, taking it away from its true mission.
    Absolving the jews of responsibility for Jesus Christ's crucifixion and death is but one major "error". As is the case today, jews got others (Romans) to do their "dirty work" for them.
    The prohibition on the celebration of the Tridentine (Latin) Mass was but another "error" which destroyed the universality of the Mass. Prior to Vatican II, one could go to Mass anywhere in the Roman Catholic world and understand it. Celebrating the Mass in the vernacular language destroyed this "universality".
    Thankfully, the prohibition on the celebration of the Latin Mass has been partially lifted, and is being celebrated in small congregations to this day.
    The priest facing the congregation is but another "error". This one step removed the priest from being a representative of the congregation, to becoming an "actor".
    For pre-Vatican II congregations, please look up SSPX (The Society of St. Pius X).
    As an aside, the present pope appointed a jewish rabbi to an important position within the church...

    Michael Hoffman’s latest, greatest work — The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome — demonstrates the “Judaic influence” dates back far earlier than Vatican II.

    https://www.revisionisthistory.org/

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    There might be some Judaic influence when your Lord and Savior was a Jew.
  43. Giraldi’s articles on Israel sure bring out the conspiracy loonies.

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    Actually, the idea that the state of Israel wants certain chunks of Syria is not a conspiracy theory; this desire of the Israelis is well known. You are free to debunk it.

    Israel's support for "moderate" jihadis fighting the legitimate government of Syria has been documented, whereas the US/Gulfies' support (also documented) for the same unicorns ("moderate" jihadis) has been going in sync with Israelis'.
    Perhaps you know the definition "Israel-firster" - the one who puts the interests of Israel above the interests of a country of his/her residence - and perhaps you are aware that the US Congress is under heavy influence of the Lobby that includes a lot of high-placed Israel-firsters. But if you prefer not to know about this sorry state of affairs (for the US citizenry), this does not give you any rights to slander Mr. Giraldi. The Lobby has been very effective in weeding out any criticism of Israel under pretext of anti-semitism. Unlike your petty "The Grate Deign," Mr. Giraldi uses courageously his real name.

    "According to the founding father of Zionism Theodore Herzl, “the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.” According to Rabbi Fischmann, “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.”
    "Israeli strategists viewed Iraq as their biggest strategic challenge from an Arab state. This is why Iraq was outlined as the centerpiece to the balkanization of the Middle East and the Arab World. ... The Atlantic, in 2008, and the U.S. military’s Armed Forces Journal, in 2006, both published widely circulated maps that closely followed the outline of the Yinon Plan....
    Greater Israel” requires the breaking up of the existing Arab states into small states.
    “The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states. ... Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel’s satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation… This is not a new idea, nor does it surface for the first time in Zionist strategic thinking. Indeed, fragmenting all Arab states into smaller units has been a recurrent theme.” (see Yinon Plan)
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

  44. @Mark Green
    Israel's global news penetration (via hasbara) and other disinformation strategies are routine. Diabolical, but routine.

    The Zionist state's various tricks and manipulations are legendary and ruthless. They function as a backdoor attack on intellectual liberty as well as open political discourse. They are anti-democratic.

    Thus, even 'freedom of expression' in America is under constant Israeli pressure and surveillance. No stone goes unturned.

    This is why Holocaust 'education' is ubiquitous and, when possible, mandatory. If the stories fail, inject guilt. It's an unscrupulous strategy that is working.

    Meanwhile, Zionist myths rain down endlessly via American TV and throughout American mass media. Deep Zionist victimology has penetrated even US public schools. Hasbara is strategic. It is unrelenting. Ironically, it represents the tribal interest of a foreign power. Do Americans live under soft occupation? It increasingly looks that way.

    This explains why Jewish suffering, Jewish innocence, and Jewish victimology are now compulsory subjects in American life--from schools to children's TV, to higher education and adult cinema. 'Dominare the message'.

    On the other hand, Israel's commitment to segregation between Jews and gentiles is quietly steadfast. ''Unshakable'. This head-scratching phenomena has been obscured by the Fake News meme involving America's 'Judeo-Christian' heritage. Yet it is an absolute ruse. No such heritage exists. These are Zionist-lead political movements and Zionist headlines. They tread on the thin, manufactured ice. Theydo not exist organically.

    Christ's teachings were in fact a break from Judaism. Christ said as much. Christianity is an Open Admissions theology that stresses universal ethics that are non-racial. On the other hand, Israel is tribal, racial and exclusionary. This wouldn't be so repulsive if not for Israel's vociferous (and insincere) support for 'equality' and its pious contempt for 'white nationalism'.

    Jewish racism is commanded by God. And Israel's ethical basis is polluted by nepotism, 'chosenness' and racial favoritism under God. It is a collection of myths and yarns that drip with tribal supremacism.

    It's worth remembering also that Jews in Israel have a distinct word for their version of 'Apartheid'. It is 'Hafrada', which means 'separation' in Hebrew. Ever heard of it? Of course not! Hasbara operatives and their cousins in US news media make sure of that.

    Sadly, we Americans live under soft occupation.

    Significantly, few non-Jews have ever heard of 'hafrada'. But everyone has heard of 'Apartheid'.
    Gee. How come?

    We can thank the legions of young Israeli activists (and their elders) for this deliberate omission and assorted side shows. Control speech. Control thought.

    Make no mistake about it: Israel is a racial supremacist state. Segregation is a core Zionist value. Jewish exceptionalism is their paramount goal. America is a useful, but temporary, ally. This is the nature of the 'special relationship.'

    Elliott Abrams, the criminal pardoned by George H.W. Bush, which allowed him to serve in George W. Bush’s National Security Council, founding member of the Project for the New American Century and son-in-law to neocon godfather Norman Podhoretz proudly stated:

    “Judaism demands “apartness,” Mr. Abrams says. This is a “metaphysical” separateness; a Jew shouldn’t live in a psychological or physical ghetto. But everything should be done to prevent “prolonged and intimate exposure to non-Jewish culture.”

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  45. RothZio says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Zionists never foresaw that having an own state would demonstrate what jews are capable of.
    In 1948, thanks to the persecutions of the jews during WWII, Israel had a lot of sympathy in the world.
    Nowadays, with no solution anywhere in sight for the Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed in 1948, in Germany a Secretary for, against, Antisemitism seems necessary.
    Germany debates if criticism of Israel, antizionism, is he same as antisemitism.
    Norman Finkelstein and Ilian Pappe recently were not allowed to speak in Germany.
    Indeed Israel is great in propaganda, but the effects are less and less.
    Israel has but one 'friend', the USA, and how sincere this friendship is is more and more debatable.
    Mobilising jews to write on fora, in many languages, any time there have been Israeli atrocities, may have the opposite effect.
    Anyone familiar with these fora notices how these propagandists pop up, and disappear after some time.
    What they are paid even is known, four or five dollars per message.
    It looks like 'you can fool all people some time, some people all the time, but not all the people all the time', still is true.

    There is a working theory that the Rothschild banking family, who likely remain the richest family in the world, wanted a private state of their own with all of the benefits therein – a private army, private nukes, private assassination and espionage service, refuge for its agents to escape to. Since they started to buy up Jerusalem and parcels of land in Palestine, asked Lord Balfour to give them a homeland in Palestine in 1917 and then someone like Hitler showed up on the scene to create worldwide sympathy for Jews, it seems likely that much of 20th century world history was engineered by them to achieve the above ends. (No one says this was easy, and it would certainly be an impressive feat of gargantuan proportions but if the prize is big enough, the effort will be commensurate to the reward).
    Hitler shut down the Jewish press overnight except for that of the labour Zionists, and given that he helped the latter relocate to Palestine, it seems that there was a magic sleight-of-hand with sympathy for Jews being transferred to the interests of the Rothschild Zionists, who are Sabbatean-Kabbalist-Satanists. Israel is the command central for the Rothschild fulfillment of the plans in the Protocols.
    So yes Jews were killed by einsatzgruppen but Jews of only a certain political persuasion that just happened to align with the Rothschild interests were rescued and brought to the safety unless they got out on their own.
    When diaspora Jews help Israel, it is because they have been successfully tricked into helping the Rothschilds. These diaspora Jews are pawns in a game they don’t know they are part of. It took pretty sophisticated mindcontrol techniques to achieve this.
    So I think the Zionists fully knew what they could get diaspora Jews to do for them.

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  46. @Mark Green
    Israel's global news penetration (via hasbara) and other disinformation strategies are routine. Diabolical, but routine.

    The Zionist state's various tricks and manipulations are legendary and ruthless. They function as a backdoor attack on intellectual liberty as well as open political discourse. They are anti-democratic.

    Thus, even 'freedom of expression' in America is under constant Israeli pressure and surveillance. No stone goes unturned.

    This is why Holocaust 'education' is ubiquitous and, when possible, mandatory. If the stories fail, inject guilt. It's an unscrupulous strategy that is working.

    Meanwhile, Zionist myths rain down endlessly via American TV and throughout American mass media. Deep Zionist victimology has penetrated even US public schools. Hasbara is strategic. It is unrelenting. Ironically, it represents the tribal interest of a foreign power. Do Americans live under soft occupation? It increasingly looks that way.

    This explains why Jewish suffering, Jewish innocence, and Jewish victimology are now compulsory subjects in American life--from schools to children's TV, to higher education and adult cinema. 'Dominare the message'.

    On the other hand, Israel's commitment to segregation between Jews and gentiles is quietly steadfast. ''Unshakable'. This head-scratching phenomena has been obscured by the Fake News meme involving America's 'Judeo-Christian' heritage. Yet it is an absolute ruse. No such heritage exists. These are Zionist-lead political movements and Zionist headlines. They tread on the thin, manufactured ice. Theydo not exist organically.

    Christ's teachings were in fact a break from Judaism. Christ said as much. Christianity is an Open Admissions theology that stresses universal ethics that are non-racial. On the other hand, Israel is tribal, racial and exclusionary. This wouldn't be so repulsive if not for Israel's vociferous (and insincere) support for 'equality' and its pious contempt for 'white nationalism'.

    Jewish racism is commanded by God. And Israel's ethical basis is polluted by nepotism, 'chosenness' and racial favoritism under God. It is a collection of myths and yarns that drip with tribal supremacism.

    It's worth remembering also that Jews in Israel have a distinct word for their version of 'Apartheid'. It is 'Hafrada', which means 'separation' in Hebrew. Ever heard of it? Of course not! Hasbara operatives and their cousins in US news media make sure of that.

    Sadly, we Americans live under soft occupation.

    Significantly, few non-Jews have ever heard of 'hafrada'. But everyone has heard of 'Apartheid'.
    Gee. How come?

    We can thank the legions of young Israeli activists (and their elders) for this deliberate omission and assorted side shows. Control speech. Control thought.

    Make no mistake about it: Israel is a racial supremacist state. Segregation is a core Zionist value. Jewish exceptionalism is their paramount goal. America is a useful, but temporary, ally. This is the nature of the 'special relationship.'

    Elliott Abrams, the criminal pardoned by George H.W. Bush, which allowed him to serve in George W. Bush’s National Security Council, founding member of the Project for the New American Century and son-in-law to neocon godfather Norman Podhoretz, proudly stated:

    “Judaism demands “apartness,” Mr. Abrams says. This is a “metaphysical” separateness; a Jew shouldn’t live in a psychological or physical ghetto. But everything should be done to prevent “prolonged and intimate exposure to non-Jewish culture.”

    One wonders why they stay in the U.S. among the inferior “non-Jewish culture”. The answer is clear, they can be more effective to the country to which they are truly loyal by living among the goyim and influencing policies that benefit Israel. That is why the Australian/Israeli citizen, Martin Indyk, moved to the U.S. and became a U.S. citizen, to better help Israel. That’s why many U.S. “citizens” (Rahm Emanuel, Jeffrey Goldberg, David Brooks’ son, etc.) decide join the IDF instead of the U.S. military.

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  47. chris says:
    @Wally
    Tip of the iceberg:

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    "Jewish groups get up to 97% of grants from the Homeland Security"
    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/islamophobia-shmislamophobia-97-of-homeland-security-security-grants-go-to-jewish-orgs

    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    The Zionist attempt to control language.
    The Israel Project’s 2009 GLOBAL LANGUAGE DICTIONARY
    https://www.transcend.org/tms/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sf-israel-projects-2009-global-language-dictionary.pdf

    The commander behind the pro-Israel student troops on U.S. college campuses
    http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page//.premium-1.709014

    Israel tech site paying “interns” to covertly plant stories in social media
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-tech-site-paying-interns-covertly-plant-stories-social-media

    Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook

    Not to mention that every US taxpayers "loan" that 'Israel' receives has never been paid back. The Israeli Occupied Congress curiously "forgives" all these huge debts. As if it wasn't assumed at the beginning.

    "Jame Bamford of Wired subsequently reported that the NSA had hired secretive contractors with extensive ties to Israeli intelligence to establish 10 to 20 wiretapping rooms at key telecommunication points throughout the country."
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-impact-of-nsa-domestic-spying-2013-6#ixzz3NxPMujNo

    "Two Secretive Israeli Companies Reportedly Bugged The US Telecommunications Grid For The NSA"
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-bugged-the-us-for-the-nsa-2013-6#ixzz3NxPnnUFg

    "IDF Unit 8200 Cyberwar Veterans Developed NSA Snooping Technology"
    Read more:http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2013/06/08/idf-unit-8200-cyberwar-veterans-developed-nsa-snooping-technology/

    How to Bring Down the Elephant in the Room
    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/how-to-bring-down-the-elephant-in-the-room/

    Thanks for the list, Wally.

    I haven’t gone through all the links yet, but what all of them usually miss is the money we pay to Israel’s neighbors like Jordan and Egypt. The purpose of those payments are to placate it’s neighbors – none of who would get anything if it wasn’t for their location.

    And that’s, only part of the treasure costs, leaving out the cost in blood

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    The money to the other countries, which should also be stopped, is minute in comparison to what that parasite "shitty little country" receives.

    Indeed, suckering the US & others into shedding their blood instead of bleeding the wussy Israelis is a huge issue. But then all through history that has been the case.

    Israeli / Zionist / supremacist Jew power is enabled by the fraudulent & laughable story line of ’6,000,000 Jews & gas chambers’.

    Supremacist Jews have been marketing the '6,000,000' lie since at least 1869?

    http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k598/WhiteWolf722/TheSixMillionMyth.jpg

  48. Interesting, I was just discussing with someone how Russia has completely neglected the ‘Information War’ in Syria. At Khan Shaykhun, all they did was ask for an investigation at the U.N. and when the U.S. attacked, condemned it. So their objections are recorded in some UN meeting minutes. Russia didn’t even bother to come up with a timeline for when and where the Syrian Jets really did attack on Apr. 4.

    I attribute this to a lack of resources and their fatalism that at this point, only the ground war and basic diplomacy matters in Syria. I mention this because Israel and the U.S. have chosen to dedicate a massive amount of resources to the Information War.

    I think that Russia’s approach is understandable in general but that they made a serious mistake in not recognizing the serious battles that need to be waged in the Information War. The WMD incident in Syria wasn’t your average ‘bakery barrel bomb’ or ‘Aleppo boy’, it was the Stalingrad in the Information war.

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    I attribute this to a lack of resources and their fatalism that at this point, only the ground war and basic diplomacy matters in Syria. I mention this because Israel and the U.S. have chosen to dedicate a massive amount of resources to the Information War.
     
    I sorta disagree. Nobody can compete with Israelamerica's Mighty Wurlitzer, but it is plain that its voice is not projecting the way it used to. An increasing percentage of the world sees the chasm between its noise and the facts on the ground. I'd even say that Israelamerica's greatest strategic blunder has been to place the Wurlitzer at the centre of its Global Hegemon strategy. That sort of centre cannot hold when everything else is allowed to go to hell in a handbasket. And it has. Trump is evidence enough that its not holding on the home front, and the impending collapse of the (old) EU, the schisms in the ME, the SCO, ASEAN, BRICS, AIIB, etc indicate it's effect is breaking internationally. After "Fake News!", they're left with a hyper-destructive, but otherwise utterly incompetent military, and the Almighty Dollar System. Their best days are behind both of them.

    For their part, the Russians, no doubt noting that their resources were limited, rightly focused on that part of the world audience who can't be fooled all of the time. The success of RT (et al) is not in persuading "all of the people, all of the time", but persuading enough of them often enough to blunt the Wurlitzer's effect. That gave the Russians the political running room to put into effect what they're really good at - "the ground war and basic diplomacy". And not just in Syria, but domestically, in the Ukraine, in the ME and increasingly across Eurasia Moscow has become the go-to place to get problems solved. That's what's put a splinter in Israelamerica's brain.

    For myself, the biggest wonder today is that Russia is punching so effectively, so far above its weight. A nation of less than 150M people, with an economy barely into the top ten should have nowhere near the presence it has on the world stage. If there's an "exceptional nation" today, it's Russia.
  49. Koba says:
    @Z-man
    The Power of the Cabal is almost omnipotent. Almost..
    ..In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, Amen.

    Cabal has that covered also with their version of Trinity:
    Nation wrecking, Brainwashing and Shekel, Shalom

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    You will find out sooner or later, Mazza Cristo.

    Oh BTW, you're admitting to what you are..Maggots.

  50. Well done PG. “United we stand for their Imperial Majesties, we are so grateful to be picked as their Jewel In The Crown”. We shall sacrifice our all for the privilege of serving Their Royal Highnesses. Live long the Empire!!!!!

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  51. annamaria says:
    @The Grate Deign
    Giraldi's articles on Israel sure bring out the conspiracy loonies.

    Actually, the idea that the state of Israel wants certain chunks of Syria is not a conspiracy theory; this desire of the Israelis is well known. You are free to debunk it.

    Israel’s support for “moderate” jihadis fighting the legitimate government of Syria has been documented, whereas the US/Gulfies’ support (also documented) for the same unicorns (“moderate” jihadis) has been going in sync with Israelis’.
    Perhaps you know the definition “Israel-firster” – the one who puts the interests of Israel above the interests of a country of his/her residence – and perhaps you are aware that the US Congress is under heavy influence of the Lobby that includes a lot of high-placed Israel-firsters. But if you prefer not to know about this sorry state of affairs (for the US citizenry), this does not give you any rights to slander Mr. Giraldi. The Lobby has been very effective in weeding out any criticism of Israel under pretext of anti-semitism. Unlike your petty “The Grate Deign,” Mr. Giraldi uses courageously his real name.

    “According to the founding father of Zionism Theodore Herzl, “the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.” According to Rabbi Fischmann, “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.”
    “Israeli strategists viewed Iraq as their biggest strategic challenge from an Arab state. This is why Iraq was outlined as the centerpiece to the balkanization of the Middle East and the Arab World. … The Atlantic, in 2008, and the U.S. military’s Armed Forces Journal, in 2006, both published widely circulated maps that closely followed the outline of the Yinon Plan….
    Greater Israel” requires the breaking up of the existing Arab states into small states.
    “The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states. … Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel’s satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation… This is not a new idea, nor does it surface for the first time in Zionist strategic thinking. Indeed, fragmenting all Arab states into smaller units has been a recurrent theme.” (see Yinon Plan)

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

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    And, as if the Israelis need another reason to expand their territory, a large oil deposit was found in the Golan Heights area. Israel needs a fractured and warring Syria so they can quietly expand their Golan Heights occupation or steal the land when these minor ME wars escalate into a major war throughout the region. This may be their aim since they can then finish the ethnic cleansing and force non-Jewish West Bank residents into Jordan as some Israeli politicians have been suggesting.

    https://www.rt.com/business/317906-oil-golan-heights-israel/
    , @The Grate Deign
    annamarie,

    I didn't say Giraldi was right, wrong, or otherwise. I only noted that his articles trigger the loony fringe of conspiracy lovers, which is manifestly true.

    The Grate Deign
  52. Wally says: • Website
    @chris
    Thanks for the list, Wally.

    I haven't gone through all the links yet, but what all of them usually miss is the money we pay to Israel's neighbors like Jordan and Egypt. The purpose of those payments are to placate it's neighbors - none of who would get anything if it wasn't for their location.

    And that's, only part of the treasure costs, leaving out the cost in blood

    The money to the other countries, which should also be stopped, is minute in comparison to what that parasite “shitty little country” receives.

    Indeed, suckering the US & others into shedding their blood instead of bleeding the wussy Israelis is a huge issue. But then all through history that has been the case.

    Israeli / Zionist / supremacist Jew power is enabled by the fraudulent & laughable story line of ’6,000,000 Jews & gas chambers’.

    Supremacist Jews have been marketing the ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869?

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  53. Rurik says: • Website

    We Americans are therefore paying to be propagandized by people working for a foreign government who often pretend to be our fellow citizens but are not.

    not only are they not our fellow citizens, they are in fact our most tenacious and hatred-consumed enemy

    as N. Americans and Europeans are taxed to support zio-governments that are doing everything in their power to destroy those very citizen’s lives.. and countries and any hope for their children’s futures

    we’re reduced to the humiliating position of laboring to heap the tinder upon the very pyre that our people and culture and very civilization are to be sacrificed upon

    There is a story from ancient Greece about a king who commissioned a ‘Brazen Bull’ for his enemies to be tortured to death inside, by being cooked alive. As the story goes.. the king ultimately put the artist inside his own devil’s creation and he was thus dispatched by the work of his own hand. But imagine if he was forced to build the thing, all the while knowing he would be put inside.

    That’s the lot of the Western citizen tax-slave. We’re forced to labor and toil to lavish lucre upon the very people who will use our extorted moneys to enslave our children with.

    we’re forced to forge our own chains / and build the instruments of death that will be used upon our children

    anyone who believes the terror drones will not one day fly these skies is a naïve fool

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  54. HBM says:

    Jewish ontology is “perception management” of the goyim– via words, hence the obsession with “narrative” and “discourse” and the almighty signifier and signified.

    Old YHWH spoke the universe into being, and every prognosticating Jew thinks they are doing the same.

    When a Jew like Nate Silver or Bill Kristol or Tom Friedman (or any of them) make a “prediction” it’s never a prediction. These people are not “wrong” in the way we understand it. They are propagandists. From the egg they are propagandists.

    And they’ve been at it forever. Their holy books themselves are ethno-propaganda, written with Greeks in mind; and Judaism’s origins itself are in Levantine yokels under the influence of imperial Persian propaganda.

    Jews repeat this collective psychological injury (along with a whole suite of motifs and fixations and tropes) endlessly, and they will never, ever stop.

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  55. Erebus says:
    @Chris Chuba
    Interesting, I was just discussing with someone how Russia has completely neglected the 'Information War' in Syria. At Khan Shaykhun, all they did was ask for an investigation at the U.N. and when the U.S. attacked, condemned it. So their objections are recorded in some UN meeting minutes. Russia didn't even bother to come up with a timeline for when and where the Syrian Jets really did attack on Apr. 4.

    I attribute this to a lack of resources and their fatalism that at this point, only the ground war and basic diplomacy matters in Syria. I mention this because Israel and the U.S. have chosen to dedicate a massive amount of resources to the Information War.

    I think that Russia's approach is understandable in general but that they made a serious mistake in not recognizing the serious battles that need to be waged in the Information War. The WMD incident in Syria wasn't your average 'bakery barrel bomb' or 'Aleppo boy', it was the Stalingrad in the Information war.

    I attribute this to a lack of resources and their fatalism that at this point, only the ground war and basic diplomacy matters in Syria. I mention this because Israel and the U.S. have chosen to dedicate a massive amount of resources to the Information War.

    I sorta disagree. Nobody can compete with Israelamerica’s Mighty Wurlitzer, but it is plain that its voice is not projecting the way it used to. An increasing percentage of the world sees the chasm between its noise and the facts on the ground. I’d even say that Israelamerica’s greatest strategic blunder has been to place the Wurlitzer at the centre of its Global Hegemon strategy. That sort of centre cannot hold when everything else is allowed to go to hell in a handbasket. And it has. Trump is evidence enough that its not holding on the home front, and the impending collapse of the (old) EU, the schisms in the ME, the SCO, ASEAN, BRICS, AIIB, etc indicate it’s effect is breaking internationally. After “Fake News!”, they’re left with a hyper-destructive, but otherwise utterly incompetent military, and the Almighty Dollar System. Their best days are behind both of them.

    For their part, the Russians, no doubt noting that their resources were limited, rightly focused on that part of the world audience who can’t be fooled all of the time. The success of RT (et al) is not in persuading “all of the people, all of the time”, but persuading enough of them often enough to blunt the Wurlitzer’s effect. That gave the Russians the political running room to put into effect what they’re really good at – “the ground war and basic diplomacy”. And not just in Syria, but domestically, in the Ukraine, in the ME and increasingly across Eurasia Moscow has become the go-to place to get problems solved. That’s what’s put a splinter in Israelamerica’s brain.

    For myself, the biggest wonder today is that Russia is punching so effectively, so far above its weight. A nation of less than 150M people, with an economy barely into the top ten should have nowhere near the presence it has on the world stage. If there’s an “exceptional nation” today, it’s Russia.

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    @Erebus

    For myself, the biggest wonder today is that Russia is punching so effectively, so far above its weight.
     
    I agree with Russia's strategy in general. All I am saying is that you can get so focused on an approach that you completely neglect another area.

    Prior to Khan Shaykhun, the U.S. public considered the Russians mere gangsters and rogues. After Khan Shaykhun the Russians became war criminals of the highest degree. The danger of letting their image drop so dramatically on a fairly refutable charge is that the Neocons can now justify any extreme measures post-Syria. I'm talking about a new nuclear arms race, ABM systems in Greenland and off their arctic coastline, more troops on their border... Allowing the U.S. public to put Russia on the same level as Iran (another unfair judgment) can justify all future aggression against them.

    Had the Russians provided some more info, like a detailed timeline, it would have made Postol's analysis more effective, or better yet, supported an all out offensive to take the ground and force inspections.

    I totally understand Russia's prioritization, I just disagree with their total neglect of the Information War but yeah, I could be wrong. I hope so. It's funny that the Neocons rant about Russia's non-existent information warfare while they do scorched earth; classic projection :-)
    , @Chris Chuba
    @Erebus,
    You know what, I think I'm wrong. I've just read yet another article on Russia and I can totally see why the Russians would just throw up their hands and conclude that it's a waste of time / resources to bother with the Information War. I'm including a post I made in another place. Our Foreign Policy establishment has thoroughly brainwashed the U.S. public and most or Europe. I can see where Russia would conclude, 'we'll take care of the facts on the ground and either wait for the false narrative to collapse on its own or ...'


    By Chris Chuba on MoonOfAlabama:
    This is about the Information War against Russia. I just had an 'aha' moment.
    The standard memes against Putin are well known but after reading this article, I only just now recognized the tactic of embedding them in scholarly, semi-flattering, expertly looking journals.
    https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017/05/seeing-russia-clearly/

    Russia is uniquely hated. Iran is casually dismissed as 'number one sponsor of terrorism'. N. Korea is a rogue regime. China, growing rival (or ignored). Russia on the other hand has to be dissected to make it look like it was carefully studied and the author reluctantly came to these conclusions, 'Russia didn't have a liberal democratic tradition so of course they are ruled by a monster like Putin'.

    I'm kind of surprised I didn't recognize this earlier. I'll bet a steak dinner that these authors hated Russia a year before they wrote their first draft.

     


     

     
  56. n230099 says:

    As of this afternoon this ‘act.il’ app has 1000 downloads…spreading like wildfire!! Good grief welcome to the internet Phil.

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  57. KA says:
    @mcohen
    here it is folks......in all its glory.enjoy.just the plain truth

    https://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/2017/06/the-forgotten-truth-about-the-balfour-declaration/

    The Balfour Declaration may have been delivered by patrician British diplomats in the imperial splendour of Whitehall, but in many ways it had been conceived 200 miles further north, amongst the second-generation Jewish immigrants of industrial Manchester.

    Harry Sacher, a fiercely intelligent journalist on the Manchester Guardian. 
    Sacher’s friend from Oxford, Leon Simon, provided further intellectual rigour and went on to become a senior civil servant. 
    Also at the group’s centre were Simon Marks and Israel Sieff. (Marks & Spencer a a family business )

    They also formed their own remarkably compact familial unit, with Israel Sieff and Harry Sacher both marrying Simon Marks’ sisters, Rebecca and Miriam. Marks in turn married Sieff’s sister Miriam.
    In 1914, the outbreak of the First World War opened up new avenues of opportunity for the Anglo-Zionists, as the Ottoman rulers of Palestine had now become enemies of the British.

    Weizmann met C.P. Scott at a garden party in Manchester. 
    Scott, a former Liberal politician and the editor of the Manchester Guardian, found Weizmann “extraordinarily interesting” and the two formed an instant rapport. His newspaper, became an increasingly staunch supporter of the Zionist cause, with Harry Sacher leading the charge. 
    Scott was also extraordinarily generous in wielding his considerable political influence on behalf of Weizmann and the Manchester Zionists. 
    In 1915, Scott brought Weizmann to meet David Lloyd George, then the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Lloyd George’s biblical upbringing and imperial inclinations made him susceptible to the Zionist cause. Exposure to the full force of Weizmann’s persuasive charm did the rest.
    It was another Manchester friend, philosopher Samuel Alexander (the first Jewish fellow of an Oxford college), who arranged a fateful meeting between Weizmann and Arthur Balfour.

    https://www.thejc.com/lifestyle/features/chaim-weizmann-and-how-the-balfour-declaration-was-made-in-manchester-1.37772

    In 1916, David Lloyd George became Prime Minister and Balfour was appointed as Foreign Secretary. Weizmann now had the support of the key decision-makers in the British government. 
    Sensing a potential opportunity, the Manchester Zionists also stepped up their campaign. Sacher, Sieff and Marks formed the British Palestine Committee along with their friend Herbert Sidebotham, another influential Manchester Guardian journalist. 
    Funded by Sieff and Marks, the committee published a journal, Palestine, which advocated a Jewish Palestine under British protection. Their prose was so vehement at times that Sir Mark Sykes asked Weizmann to rein in his supporters for fear of upsetting the diplomatic apple cart.https://www.thejc.com/lifestyle/features/chaim-weizmann-and-how-the-balfour-declaration-was-made-in-manchester-1.37772

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  58. RobinG says:

    PHIL – saw you on RT just now. Thanks.

    My fear, another false flag chemical attack to blame on Assad.. Vanessa Beeley writes, “Just before Astana talks, very likely designed to put pressure on, prior. “

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  59. Lot says:

    our articles are almost immediately inundated with hostile postings

    Giraldi you have a small audience and flatters yourself that Israel cares.

    And what your articles actually get “inundated with” in comments are Holocaust denial copypasta and other assorted crap like

    The CIA and NSA are essentially the jewish elite secret police. They align exactly with Mossad. Hence 9-11.

    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off? I bet you are scared to answer this question because you do not want to alienate so many of your fans.

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    • Replies: @Rurik
    Hi Lot,

    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off?
     
    can I play?

    first off, a "Holocaust skeptic" if the very definition of a Holocaust denier. Duh

    any historian who doubts any scintilla of the 'holy Holocaust' can be arrested and imprisoned in half the "civilized" world. They may state plainly that they agree with much of the Holocaust narrative, but if they waver on any tenet of the sacred dogma, its off to the pokey for them, huh?

    so all you're doing is trying to set a trap for Mr. Giraldi by asking him such inane questions.

    when the world wrests free of the zio-tentacles of Orwellian doublethink, and all peoples are encouraged to doubt and question all historical screeds, then you can query public figures for their opinions on assorted kosher pigshit. But as long as the pall of the zio-death cult of political correctness- or else, remains imposed upon our discourse, then public figures would be well advised to resist speaking truths, that will no doubt be 'twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools'.

    asking a public figure if he or she believes in the Holocaust, or has doubts, is a transparent attempt to discredit them so you can howl your tiresome sanctimonious indignation. Duh

    , @JoaoAlfaiate
    Lot,

    In the future please put "(TM)" after the word "Holocaust" so the uninformed will understand how Nazi genocide has been transformed into a political weapon and fund raising tool.

    Thanks!
    , @Wally
    Poor hasbarist Lot, his laughably impossible 'gas chambers' are his holy relics, Auschwitz is his New Age Temple.

    He and those like him have no chance in rational debate, hence the need for supremacist Jews to suppress free speech.

    Like the child who finds out that Santa Claus and elves are not real, Lot and those like him are in panic mode.

    The world is becoming more & more aware of the propaganda, fraudulent nature of the sham '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers', Lot and those like him are becoming increasingly desperate.

    Lot just pretends that the 'holocau$t' religion is fact, even though it does not pass the science, logic, & rational thought test.

    The absurd 'holocau$t' storyline no different than witchcraft which was believed by countless millions worldwide, there were endless 'testimonies', 'eyewitnesses' and show trials that "proved' witchcraft.

    Only Liars Want Censorship
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    "One should not ask, how this mass murder was made possible. It was technically possible, because it happened. This has to be the obligatory starting-point for any historical research regarding this topic. We would just like to remind you: There is no debate regarding the existence of the gas chambers, and there can never be one."

    - endorsed by 34 "reputable historians" and published in the French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979
     
    The Wannsee Conference Protocol
    Anatomy of a Fabrication
    http://codoh.com/library/document/934/

    "Jewish huckstering is most obviously apparent in its frenzied compulsion to uphold the “holocaust” myth, whose exposure would not only refute the Jews’ claim to Palestine and to endless financial reparations and atonement for harm not done to them, it would also deliver Jews and their minions to the fury of a world deceived and victimized for centuries by their lies and conspiracies."

    - Gerard Menuhin: Revisionist Jew, Son of Famous Violinist'
     

    “it is necessary to recognize that the lack of traces involves the inability to directly establish the reality of the existence of homicidal gas chambers.”
    - French historian Jacques Baynac, Le Nouveau Quotidien (Lausanne, Switzerland), Sept. 3, 1996, p. 14.
     
    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.
    Note: actually show us excavations & their contents, not some Zionist liar claiming mass graves where none exist, and not showing the alleged, verifiable enormous human remains of Jews.
    , @biz
    Hell yes. Also, this kind of article and batshit oozing personality disorder comment section (Holohoax!!1! USS Liberty1!! AmeriZioNazis!!) is exactly what supporters of Israel like to see associated with opposition to Israel. Far from sending anyone to disrupt Geraldi's articles, if there actually was an organized effort on behalf of Israel they'd be encouraging them! Hell they'd be commenting here saying great article and I hates de Jeweesh too.
    , @annamaria
    You mean, criticizing the CIA (and its cooperation with Mossad) is antisemitic now?
    If you are such a prude re Holocaust, are you satisfied with Israel's cooperation with ISIS, which is a natural byproduct of Eretz Israel project as formulated by Oded Yinon? "The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states." Do you recognize the mounds of flesh and rivers of blood that this project has produced in the formerly functioning states of Libya and Syria? (while the dictatorships of Gulfies were spared).

    Sprinkling Gaza Ghetto with depleted uranium by the "most moral IDF" was more than enough for disinheriting the current crop of Israeli politicians from the memory of Holocaust victims. The Israel-firsters involvement into instigation of the ongoing slaughter in the Middle East -- and the ziocons' jolly alliance with neo-Nazis in Ukraine -- have effectively ended the era of jewish victimhood and severed the zionists' relation to Holocaust. It's over. Israel-firsters deeds have dirtied the memory of the Jewish victims of the WWII and eliminated any place for Israelis' claim for special sympathy "because Holocaust."

    , @druid
    The numbers are way off!
    , @Father O'Hara
    I kind of agree with Andrew Anglin:The 'Caust never happened; it should have,but didn't.
    , @Z-man
    LOL!! I was gonna add my 3 cents but I see I've been beaten to the punch. Ok I'll add to what L.K. said, Zio-Troll. LOL!!!
  60. @Erebus

    I attribute this to a lack of resources and their fatalism that at this point, only the ground war and basic diplomacy matters in Syria. I mention this because Israel and the U.S. have chosen to dedicate a massive amount of resources to the Information War.
     
    I sorta disagree. Nobody can compete with Israelamerica's Mighty Wurlitzer, but it is plain that its voice is not projecting the way it used to. An increasing percentage of the world sees the chasm between its noise and the facts on the ground. I'd even say that Israelamerica's greatest strategic blunder has been to place the Wurlitzer at the centre of its Global Hegemon strategy. That sort of centre cannot hold when everything else is allowed to go to hell in a handbasket. And it has. Trump is evidence enough that its not holding on the home front, and the impending collapse of the (old) EU, the schisms in the ME, the SCO, ASEAN, BRICS, AIIB, etc indicate it's effect is breaking internationally. After "Fake News!", they're left with a hyper-destructive, but otherwise utterly incompetent military, and the Almighty Dollar System. Their best days are behind both of them.

    For their part, the Russians, no doubt noting that their resources were limited, rightly focused on that part of the world audience who can't be fooled all of the time. The success of RT (et al) is not in persuading "all of the people, all of the time", but persuading enough of them often enough to blunt the Wurlitzer's effect. That gave the Russians the political running room to put into effect what they're really good at - "the ground war and basic diplomacy". And not just in Syria, but domestically, in the Ukraine, in the ME and increasingly across Eurasia Moscow has become the go-to place to get problems solved. That's what's put a splinter in Israelamerica's brain.

    For myself, the biggest wonder today is that Russia is punching so effectively, so far above its weight. A nation of less than 150M people, with an economy barely into the top ten should have nowhere near the presence it has on the world stage. If there's an "exceptional nation" today, it's Russia.

    For myself, the biggest wonder today is that Russia is punching so effectively, so far above its weight.

    I agree with Russia’s strategy in general. All I am saying is that you can get so focused on an approach that you completely neglect another area.

    Prior to Khan Shaykhun, the U.S. public considered the Russians mere gangsters and rogues. After Khan Shaykhun the Russians became war criminals of the highest degree. The danger of letting their image drop so dramatically on a fairly refutable charge is that the Neocons can now justify any extreme measures post-Syria. I’m talking about a new nuclear arms race, ABM systems in Greenland and off their arctic coastline, more troops on their border… Allowing the U.S. public to put Russia on the same level as Iran (another unfair judgment) can justify all future aggression against them.

    Had the Russians provided some more info, like a detailed timeline, it would have made Postol’s analysis more effective, or better yet, supported an all out offensive to take the ground and force inspections.

    I totally understand Russia’s prioritization, I just disagree with their total neglect of the Information War but yeah, I could be wrong. I hope so. It’s funny that the Neocons rant about Russia’s non-existent information warfare while they do scorched earth; classic projection :-)

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  61. Giraldi you have a small audience and flatters yourself that Israel cares.

    Dear Lot:

    Your “audience” is no doubt much smaller, and you flatter yourself that anyone, especially Giraldi, cares what you think except as a source of sardonic amusement, but hey, keep ‘em comin!

    …comments on our articles are almost immediately inundated with hostile postings that are remarkably similar in both tone and [lack of] substance.

    You can go now, and have a nice day!

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  62. “We stand with Israel that doesn’t stand with us.”

    Does that make any sense?

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  63. Rurik says: • Website
    @Lot

    our articles are almost immediately inundated with hostile postings
     
    Giraldi you have a small audience and flatters yourself that Israel cares.

    And what your articles actually get "inundated with" in comments are Holocaust denial copypasta and other assorted crap like


    The CIA and NSA are essentially the jewish elite secret police. They align exactly with Mossad. Hence 9-11.
     
    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off? I bet you are scared to answer this question because you do not want to alienate so many of your fans.

    Hi Lot,

    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off?

    can I play?

    first off, a “Holocaust skeptic” if the very definition of a Holocaust denier. Duh

    any historian who doubts any scintilla of the ‘holy Holocaust’ can be arrested and imprisoned in half the “civilized” world. They may state plainly that they agree with much of the Holocaust narrative, but if they waver on any tenet of the sacred dogma, its off to the pokey for them, huh?

    so all you’re doing is trying to set a trap for Mr. Giraldi by asking him such inane questions.

    when the world wrests free of the zio-tentacles of Orwellian doublethink, and all peoples are encouraged to doubt and question all historical screeds, then you can query public figures for their opinions on assorted kosher pigshit. But as long as the pall of the zio-death cult of political correctness- or else, remains imposed upon our discourse, then public figures would be well advised to resist speaking truths, that will no doubt be ‘twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools’.

    asking a public figure if he or she believes in the Holocaust, or has doubts, is a transparent attempt to discredit them so you can howl your tiresome sanctimonious indignation. Duh

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    You did not answer the question either. In Giraldi's circles you can question the "Holohoax"all you want, so I disagree with you there too. It isn't like he works at a large company and already, in his mind at least, spoken the truth to Anglo Zionist Zogpower.
  64. Munchen says:

    Jews see the long game to play. Their calendar is almost 6,000 years so a generation or two is small potatoes.
    Gentiles should ask Why do we not understand what is happening? What else must happen to make us speak up? Maybe we are too stupid to see what is going on under our very noses?
    Russians have experience in these matters. USA could learn a thing or two from Putin and his government.

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  65. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Here’s the reason preventing Jews from fully controlling the propaganda from media and politics: other Jews. The most informed and indefatigable folks on the internet, Twitter, et al., exposing neocon and Israeli BS are Jews. From right here with Ron Unz, to Sy Hersh, Max Blumenthal, Dan Cohen, Yasha Levine, Norm Finkelstein, Israel Shamir, et al.

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  66. @Lot

    our articles are almost immediately inundated with hostile postings
     
    Giraldi you have a small audience and flatters yourself that Israel cares.

    And what your articles actually get "inundated with" in comments are Holocaust denial copypasta and other assorted crap like


    The CIA and NSA are essentially the jewish elite secret police. They align exactly with Mossad. Hence 9-11.
     
    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off? I bet you are scared to answer this question because you do not want to alienate so many of your fans.

    Lot,

    In the future please put “(TM)” after the word “Holocaust” so the uninformed will understand how Nazi genocide has been transformed into a political weapon and fund raising tool.

    Thanks!

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  67. Lot says:
    @Rurik
    Hi Lot,

    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off?
     
    can I play?

    first off, a "Holocaust skeptic" if the very definition of a Holocaust denier. Duh

    any historian who doubts any scintilla of the 'holy Holocaust' can be arrested and imprisoned in half the "civilized" world. They may state plainly that they agree with much of the Holocaust narrative, but if they waver on any tenet of the sacred dogma, its off to the pokey for them, huh?

    so all you're doing is trying to set a trap for Mr. Giraldi by asking him such inane questions.

    when the world wrests free of the zio-tentacles of Orwellian doublethink, and all peoples are encouraged to doubt and question all historical screeds, then you can query public figures for their opinions on assorted kosher pigshit. But as long as the pall of the zio-death cult of political correctness- or else, remains imposed upon our discourse, then public figures would be well advised to resist speaking truths, that will no doubt be 'twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools'.

    asking a public figure if he or she believes in the Holocaust, or has doubts, is a transparent attempt to discredit them so you can howl your tiresome sanctimonious indignation. Duh

    You did not answer the question either. In Giraldi’s circles you can question the “Holohoax”all you want, so I disagree with you there too. It isn’t like he works at a large company and already, in his mind at least, spoken the truth to Anglo Zionist Zogpower.

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    It isn’t like he works at a large company

    Mossad agent, it's the only thing that makes sense.
    , @Rurik

    You did not answer the question either.
     

    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off? I bet you are scared to answer this question...
     
    not me..

    there were *six million* Jews murdered during the Holocaust because the Nazis hated all non-Aryans and others who were different in any way, so the Jews were their primary victims (the only ones who matter) because the Jews were of a different religion, and were not Aryan. They were mostly gassed in homicidal gas chambers when they weren't being killed by 'eagles and bears', or experimented on where diabolical Nazi surgeons would sew their feet to where their hands were supposed to be for their sick and twisted amusement.

    The murdered Jews would then be tossed into ovens and the fat would pour out of the ovens and create inconvenient floods on the oven room floors, so the Nazis decided to solve this problem by using all the fat to make soap, that all Nazis used to keep clean. (Nazis were very hygienic)

    https://mattmulheran.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/marlonbnazi3.jpg

    oftentimes one particularly nasty Nazi gal would ride her horse into the Buchenwald barracks for women, and would make all the Jewish women undress so that she could see which ones had nice tattoos for making skin lampshades. (When Nazis weren't shrinking the heads of Jews for trinkets, they were all busy making lampshades out of their skin).

    The intention of the Holocaust was to genocide all Jews, including the ones they put on ships and sent West, and the ones they facilitated to move to Palestine and elsewhere. (this was just part of the sinister Nazi final solution by tricking the world into thinking that they simply wanted the Jews out of their lands)

    So let's recap. Six million. Not one soul less, mind you! (If you suggest otherwise you're a denier and a Nazi apologist! )

    Intention to completely exterminate the entire Jewish race, ur, I mean religion, from the planet. And the reason has NOTHING to do with anything that any Jews did or were doing! Every Jew that died in the Holocaust was murdered for simply being a Jew. (If you doubt that, you're a denier and a Nazi) The Jews (to a man and women) were absolutely innocent of everything, and every single one that died was a victim of Nazi genocidal hatred because they weren't Aryans. [the Nazis planed on killing everyone who wasn't a blond-haired, blue-eyed Aryan, except for a few Poles who they intended to be slaves]

    *The main thing to understand about the Holocaust is its place in human history as the singular most evil atrocity that has ever been committed. Bar none.*

    Compared to the Holocaust nothing matters. The slaughter of 60+ million non-Jewish souls in that mass-Jewish/banker/Zionist imposed European catastrophe are absolutely irrelevant. The (Jewish, Bolshevik imposed) mass starvation of millions of Ukrainians are of exactly zero consequence. When compared to the blame that all Gentiles carry for this crime, all other crimes are so inconsequential as to be not even worthy of mention. The US has a massive Holocaust museum to the Jewish victims of the Holocaust, (because we're just as guilty), but nothing for the Amerindians, who by comparison, don't matter one whit.

    That
    is the main lesson of the Holocaust. That it was the most consequential, monumental atrocity of all time - with nothing compared.. because it was, for lack of a better wording, the pure evil of sub-human goyim- who were put on earth to serve their Jewish betters, raising a hand to the chosen people of god!!

    It was like they tried to kill god himself, and for that, any attempt to describe the Holocaust as "a detail of history', is so beyond the Pale evil, that is just goes to show that we didn't manage to kill quite all the Nazis after the war was 'won'. Anyone who downplays the holy significance of the Holocaust- as the worst crime ever committed in the history of the world, are simply proving themselves to be reprobate Nazis, and should be treated the same way the world treated the Nazis (all Germans and Eastern Europeans who fought against the Soviets) after the war. When the righteous German government today imprisons 90 year old German grandmothers for their doubts about the Holocaust, they're simply showing god-like forbearance, because that grandmother deserves nothing less that what every Nazi got.

    there

    there's the narrative that will get you an A+ in America's high schools and universities.
  68. Wally says: • Website
    @Lot

    our articles are almost immediately inundated with hostile postings
     
    Giraldi you have a small audience and flatters yourself that Israel cares.

    And what your articles actually get "inundated with" in comments are Holocaust denial copypasta and other assorted crap like


    The CIA and NSA are essentially the jewish elite secret police. They align exactly with Mossad. Hence 9-11.
     
    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off? I bet you are scared to answer this question because you do not want to alienate so many of your fans.

    Poor hasbarist Lot, his laughably impossible ‘gas chambers’ are his holy relics, Auschwitz is his New Age Temple.

    He and those like him have no chance in rational debate, hence the need for supremacist Jews to suppress free speech.

    Like the child who finds out that Santa Claus and elves are not real, Lot and those like him are in panic mode.

    The world is becoming more & more aware of the propaganda, fraudulent nature of the sham ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’, Lot and those like him are becoming increasingly desperate.

    Lot just pretends that the ‘holocau$t’ religion is fact, even though it does not pass the science, logic, & rational thought test.

    The absurd ‘holocau$t’ storyline no different than witchcraft which was believed by countless millions worldwide, there were endless ‘testimonies’, ‘eyewitnesses’ and show trials that “proved’ witchcraft.

    Only Liars Want Censorship
    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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    “One should not ask, how this mass murder was made possible. It was technically possible, because it happened. This has to be the obligatory starting-point for any historical research regarding this topic. We would just like to remind you: There is no debate regarding the existence of the gas chambers, and there can never be one.”

    - endorsed by 34 “reputable historians” and published in the French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979

    The Wannsee Conference Protocol
    Anatomy of a Fabrication

    http://codoh.com/library/document/934/

    “Jewish huckstering is most obviously apparent in its frenzied compulsion to uphold the “holocaust” myth, whose exposure would not only refute the Jews’ claim to Palestine and to endless financial reparations and atonement for harm not done to them, it would also deliver Jews and their minions to the fury of a world deceived and victimized for centuries by their lies and conspiracies.”

    - Gerard Menuhin: Revisionist Jew, Son of Famous Violinist’

    “it is necessary to recognize that the lack of traces involves the inability to directly establish the reality of the existence of homicidal gas chambers.”
    - French historian Jacques Baynac, Le Nouveau Quotidien (Lausanne, Switzerland), Sept. 3, 1996, p. 14.

    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.
    Note: actually show us excavations & their contents, not some Zionist liar claiming mass graves where none exist, and not showing the alleged, verifiable enormous human remains of Jews.

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    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are..

     

    If mass graves were in existence, rest assured thousands of US tax-supported holocaust shrines would also be in existence. Along with continuous pilgrimages made to the holy shines, with attendance of every school child, college student, congressman, US presidential candidate, and Western head-of-state being mandatory.
  69. The situation here is typical of a master and slave, imperial power and its colonies, the colonists are above the law (IRS tax exemption is typical), spies caught and whisked out before you can clear your throat. The Zionists have the Western world by the balls with grip pliers that can’t be released, not in this position anyway. It will take a massive calamity to free ourselves. But as long as the “victim” remains a victim, we’re doomed to serve the master

    PS: The colonial powers have always been typically smaller countries with a small population, compared to their colonies, very little resources, the colonies’ subjects had a much more strict law and harsher punishment. The colonizers were above the law in the colonies. Look at Israel and its laws among fellow tribe members, compare that to non Jews (Palestinians, Rachel Corry, 9/11 exclusion of Jews from perishing! with the GOYS), most of income comes from the colonies. But to colonize a people, you needed collaboration from the indigenous population, this is the only way to succeed in ruling without getting your hands dirty (Pontius Pilate). Of course the collaborators can never sway (look at our elections), if you go against your colonial master, that’s the end of you (Australian businessman, and countless politicians around the West)

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  70. Z-man says:
    @Koba
    Cabal has that covered also with their version of Trinity:
    Nation wrecking, Brainwashing and Shekel, Shalom

    You will find out sooner or later, Mazza Cristo.

    Oh BTW, you’re admitting to what you are..Maggots.

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  71. iffen says:
    @Lot
    You did not answer the question either. In Giraldi's circles you can question the "Holohoax"all you want, so I disagree with you there too. It isn't like he works at a large company and already, in his mind at least, spoken the truth to Anglo Zionist Zogpower.

    It isn’t like he works at a large company

    Mossad agent, it’s the only thing that makes sense.

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  72. Hibernian says:
    @Bragadocious
    CAMERA is as old as the hills. I remember when I subscribed to the Atlantic back in the 80s this mangy outfit would run little 2x3 inch print ads. I always wondered what the fuss was about; I mean, who could be against accurate reporting in the ME? Then it became clear. And they most certainly should be subjected to the Foreign Agents Registration Act, as should many others, including NY-based Irish Central (a propaganda sheet for the Paddy open borders crowd).

    Irish Central is quite mild mannered for the most part; the professional Irish commentators can be quite wild. People who think the Irish Republic is ruled by the Vatican are living many years in the past. Sure, Ireland is a Catholic country; so are France and Mexico. Should websites devoted to German or Scandinavian culture be required to register as foreign agents?

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    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    Irish Central is not devoted to "Irish culture." Unless you mean by Irish culture relentless Trump bashing and left-wing agitprop. Their goal is an America with completely open borders and no deportations, in line with what Enda Kenny wants. So they are in fact pushing the Irish government's agenda while publishing content in NYC. A perfect case for FARA.
  73. Hibernian says:
    @Jake
    That is a very important point about the Latin and Mass. I was raised a very conservative Protestant - think Southern Baptist in the South, before the 1990s. But the 11th commandment to many was: Worship in the vernacular.

    It made sense to me, until I thought about it. It guarantees ever widening division. The reason English imperialists have always forced language conversion is that one language controls tendencies toward division division, division that eventually can and will cause rupture.

    The system of Christendom, with Latin Mass for all, meant that even empires with 4 or 5 major languages and a couple of dozen different dialects saw each vernacular kept alive with unity under Latin and Christ. The Reformation meant that those who led the Reformation, those profiting by it, acted to exterminate vernaculars they saw as those of pro-Catholics or as being too small to ever be valuable in fiscal terms.

    Spiritual disunity and European cultural/linguistic genocide, leading to a void that kept growing: those are the fruits of the Reformation.

    France will either repent of The Revolution and move embrace its historic role as First Daughter of the Church (with Latin Mass), or France is dead - spiritually and then culturally and finally genetically.

    England will either repent of the Reformation and move to embrace being Mary's Dowry, or England is dead - just like France will be.

    Germany will either repent of the Reformation and act to re-form the Holy Roman Empire, or Germany is dead - just as England will be.

    If Russia wishes to save the West from its own decadence, Russia must act to become the true Third Rome, which requires the Russian Church to embrace and promote Latin and spiritual unity Latin.

    If Russia ever goes on a crusade to save the West, they will do it speaking Old Slavonic.

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  74. Hibernian says:
    @Alan Donelson
    Michael Hoffman's latest, greatest work -- The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome -- demonstrates the "Judaic influence" dates back far earlier than Vatican II.
    https://www.revisionisthistory.org/

    There might be some Judaic influence when your Lord and Savior was a Jew.

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  75. @ Hiberian June 28 2017 0107 hours GMT

    Indeed! And if wishes were horses, beggars would ride!

    I’d like to consult any references or citations you might have handy to support your assertion that, and I quote, “your [sic] Lord and Savior was a Jew”. I understand that the word “Jew” came into usage by about 1500 – 1600 AD. You also state that “some Judaic influence” stemmed from (?), resulted from (?) the [what????] of this “Lord and Savior”. It would also help me to know what kind of influence this “Lord and Savior” introduced or conveyed. Finally, by what name do YOU refer to the “Lord and Savior” you appear to assign as “mine”? Clearly not yours, I know.

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  76. @Hibernian
    Irish Central is quite mild mannered for the most part; the professional Irish commentators can be quite wild. People who think the Irish Republic is ruled by the Vatican are living many years in the past. Sure, Ireland is a Catholic country; so are France and Mexico. Should websites devoted to German or Scandinavian culture be required to register as foreign agents?

    Irish Central is not devoted to “Irish culture.” Unless you mean by Irish culture relentless Trump bashing and left-wing agitprop. Their goal is an America with completely open borders and no deportations, in line with what Enda Kenny wants. So they are in fact pushing the Irish government’s agenda while publishing content in NYC. A perfect case for FARA.

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    Sure, they're liberal. They could easily register as foreign agents for just about any EU nation.
    , @Father O'Hara
    I enjoy the site but don't take the Trump-hate seriously. I'd like to ask O'Dowd if he really wants to see America continue to be swamped by third world immigrants,just so some Irish people,worthy as they may be,can live here illegally?
    I'd like to see MOAR Irish legal immigration. Someday,the Lord willing.
  77. biz says:
    @Lot

    our articles are almost immediately inundated with hostile postings
     
    Giraldi you have a small audience and flatters yourself that Israel cares.

    And what your articles actually get "inundated with" in comments are Holocaust denial copypasta and other assorted crap like


    The CIA and NSA are essentially the jewish elite secret police. They align exactly with Mossad. Hence 9-11.
     
    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off? I bet you are scared to answer this question because you do not want to alienate so many of your fans.

    Hell yes. Also, this kind of article and batshit oozing personality disorder comment section (Holohoax!!1! USS Liberty1!! AmeriZioNazis!!) is exactly what supporters of Israel like to see associated with opposition to Israel. Far from sending anyone to disrupt Geraldi’s articles, if there actually was an organized effort on behalf of Israel they’d be encouraging them! Hell they’d be commenting here saying great article and I hates de Jeweesh too.

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    Since Israel itself admits organized efforts on behalf of Israel exist, you're disputing the words of your own spokesmen Yours is a good example of how Jews have told so many lies about so many things, for such a long period of time, until one lie contradicts another. I suggest you take a long break.
  78. @annamaria
    Actually, the idea that the state of Israel wants certain chunks of Syria is not a conspiracy theory; this desire of the Israelis is well known. You are free to debunk it.

    Israel's support for "moderate" jihadis fighting the legitimate government of Syria has been documented, whereas the US/Gulfies' support (also documented) for the same unicorns ("moderate" jihadis) has been going in sync with Israelis'.
    Perhaps you know the definition "Israel-firster" - the one who puts the interests of Israel above the interests of a country of his/her residence - and perhaps you are aware that the US Congress is under heavy influence of the Lobby that includes a lot of high-placed Israel-firsters. But if you prefer not to know about this sorry state of affairs (for the US citizenry), this does not give you any rights to slander Mr. Giraldi. The Lobby has been very effective in weeding out any criticism of Israel under pretext of anti-semitism. Unlike your petty "The Grate Deign," Mr. Giraldi uses courageously his real name.

    "According to the founding father of Zionism Theodore Herzl, “the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.” According to Rabbi Fischmann, “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.”
    "Israeli strategists viewed Iraq as their biggest strategic challenge from an Arab state. This is why Iraq was outlined as the centerpiece to the balkanization of the Middle East and the Arab World. ... The Atlantic, in 2008, and the U.S. military’s Armed Forces Journal, in 2006, both published widely circulated maps that closely followed the outline of the Yinon Plan....
    Greater Israel” requires the breaking up of the existing Arab states into small states.
    “The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states. ... Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel’s satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation… This is not a new idea, nor does it surface for the first time in Zionist strategic thinking. Indeed, fragmenting all Arab states into smaller units has been a recurrent theme.” (see Yinon Plan)
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    And, as if the Israelis need another reason to expand their territory, a large oil deposit was found in the Golan Heights area. Israel needs a fractured and warring Syria so they can quietly expand their Golan Heights occupation or steal the land when these minor ME wars escalate into a major war throughout the region. This may be their aim since they can then finish the ethnic cleansing and force non-Jewish West Bank residents into Jordan as some Israeli politicians have been suggesting.

    https://www.rt.com/business/317906-oil-golan-heights-israel/

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  79. mcohen says:
    @Sam Shama
    Hey mcohen your frontal lobe buzzing? So is this mutt's. Today on the 3rd of Tammuz we read Midrash Tanhuma......to Abbas :-)

    את בעירם: מכאן שחס הקב"ה על ממונם של ישראל:

    I hope he gets the message

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  80. L.K says:

    In Syria, another ME war for Israel, the israeli scum have been supporting the Nusra Front(Syrian Al Qaeda) and ISIS linked gangs for years.
    Even Israeli media has reported on this;
    In the past 2 days or so, the israeli cowards have launched several air strikes supporting a Nusra(al qaeda in Syria) led offensive against the Syrian army near occupied Golan.
    The airstrikes destroyed/damaged 2 Syrian army tanks and killed 2 soldiers, but the Syrian army fought back and the al qaeda attack failed.
    Syria: Israel coordinated attack with Islamist militants, giving air support to Nusra assault on Quneitra

    One of the Syrian soldiers killed by israeli airstrikes in support of al qaeda;

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  81. ROTFL

    https://theintercept.com/2017/06/27/cnn-journalists-resign-latest-example-of-media-recklessness-on-the-russia-threat/

    Incredible. These Russysteria lunatics were the very people who’d been lecturing us forever about the evil of paranoid McCarthyism and Red Scare.

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  82. Dr. X says:
    @Mark Green
    Israel's global news penetration (via hasbara) and other disinformation strategies are routine. Diabolical, but routine.

    The Zionist state's various tricks and manipulations are legendary and ruthless. They function as a backdoor attack on intellectual liberty as well as open political discourse. They are anti-democratic.

    Thus, even 'freedom of expression' in America is under constant Israeli pressure and surveillance. No stone goes unturned.

    This is why Holocaust 'education' is ubiquitous and, when possible, mandatory. If the stories fail, inject guilt. It's an unscrupulous strategy that is working.

    Meanwhile, Zionist myths rain down endlessly via American TV and throughout American mass media. Deep Zionist victimology has penetrated even US public schools. Hasbara is strategic. It is unrelenting. Ironically, it represents the tribal interest of a foreign power. Do Americans live under soft occupation? It increasingly looks that way.

    This explains why Jewish suffering, Jewish innocence, and Jewish victimology are now compulsory subjects in American life--from schools to children's TV, to higher education and adult cinema. 'Dominare the message'.

    On the other hand, Israel's commitment to segregation between Jews and gentiles is quietly steadfast. ''Unshakable'. This head-scratching phenomena has been obscured by the Fake News meme involving America's 'Judeo-Christian' heritage. Yet it is an absolute ruse. No such heritage exists. These are Zionist-lead political movements and Zionist headlines. They tread on the thin, manufactured ice. Theydo not exist organically.

    Christ's teachings were in fact a break from Judaism. Christ said as much. Christianity is an Open Admissions theology that stresses universal ethics that are non-racial. On the other hand, Israel is tribal, racial and exclusionary. This wouldn't be so repulsive if not for Israel's vociferous (and insincere) support for 'equality' and its pious contempt for 'white nationalism'.

    Jewish racism is commanded by God. And Israel's ethical basis is polluted by nepotism, 'chosenness' and racial favoritism under God. It is a collection of myths and yarns that drip with tribal supremacism.

    It's worth remembering also that Jews in Israel have a distinct word for their version of 'Apartheid'. It is 'Hafrada', which means 'separation' in Hebrew. Ever heard of it? Of course not! Hasbara operatives and their cousins in US news media make sure of that.

    Sadly, we Americans live under soft occupation.

    Significantly, few non-Jews have ever heard of 'hafrada'. But everyone has heard of 'Apartheid'.
    Gee. How come?

    We can thank the legions of young Israeli activists (and their elders) for this deliberate omission and assorted side shows. Control speech. Control thought.

    Make no mistake about it: Israel is a racial supremacist state. Segregation is a core Zionist value. Jewish exceptionalism is their paramount goal. America is a useful, but temporary, ally. This is the nature of the 'special relationship.'

    Absolutely brilliant post. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

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  83. annamaria says:
    @Lot

    our articles are almost immediately inundated with hostile postings
     
    Giraldi you have a small audience and flatters yourself that Israel cares.

    And what your articles actually get "inundated with" in comments are Holocaust denial copypasta and other assorted crap like


    The CIA and NSA are essentially the jewish elite secret police. They align exactly with Mossad. Hence 9-11.
     
    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off? I bet you are scared to answer this question because you do not want to alienate so many of your fans.

    You mean, criticizing the CIA (and its cooperation with Mossad) is antisemitic now?
    If you are such a prude re Holocaust, are you satisfied with Israel’s cooperation with ISIS, which is a natural byproduct of Eretz Israel project as formulated by Oded Yinon? “The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states.” Do you recognize the mounds of flesh and rivers of blood that this project has produced in the formerly functioning states of Libya and Syria? (while the dictatorships of Gulfies were spared).

    Sprinkling Gaza Ghetto with depleted uranium by the “most moral IDF” was more than enough for disinheriting the current crop of Israeli politicians from the memory of Holocaust victims. The Israel-firsters involvement into instigation of the ongoing slaughter in the Middle East — and the ziocons’ jolly alliance with neo-Nazis in Ukraine — have effectively ended the era of jewish victimhood and severed the zionists’ relation to Holocaust. It’s over. Israel-firsters deeds have dirtied the memory of the Jewish victims of the WWII and eliminated any place for Israelis’ claim for special sympathy “because Holocaust.”

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    Annie sprinkle says

    Sprinkling gaza with depleted uranium

    Care to sprinkle some proof.should i provide a sprinkle tube for that rarest of rare chardonnay.from gaza.
  84. annamaria says:
    @Anonymous
    Here's the reason preventing Jews from fully controlling the propaganda from media and politics: other Jews. The most informed and indefatigable folks on the internet, Twitter, et al., exposing neocon and Israeli BS are Jews. From right here with Ron Unz, to Sy Hersh, Max Blumenthal, Dan Cohen, Yasha Levine, Norm Finkelstein, Israel Shamir, et al.

    Agree

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  85. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama
    Hey mcohen your frontal lobe buzzing? So is this mutt's. Today on the 3rd of Tammuz we read Midrash Tanhuma......to Abbas :-)

    את בעירם: מכאן שחס הקב"ה על ממונם של ישראל:

    [The perennial bickering over Israel will keep.]

    UNREAL: The real election interference scandal HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT

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    Good stuff on the Ukraine candy oligarch has his 'woman' at the DNC. Kinda slow getting there, it'd be nice if Stranahan could stay on point for 30 seconds. An aside, since he dropped Bannon's name, do you suppose he's aware Bannon associates with a cross-dresser? :D

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2017/02/18/steve-rosie-obannon/

    -
    , @anonymous

    UNREAL: INCOMPREHENSIBLE The real election interference scandal HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT
     
    Exactly what IS the scandal that is STILL HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT?
    It took the guy 7 minutes to hint that the UNREAL scandal was something about Ukraine, I gather.
    20 minutes in, the guy has said, "Retweet this," and "I'm throwing a lot of information at you" at least 3 times each, but it's still not clear what he's getting at.

    This guy's a journalist?
    Journalism is not the best career choice for someone w/ ADHD.

  86. El Dato says:

    Meanwhile, Jews instrumenting a confused President for War:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/tillerson-and-mattis-cleaning-up-kushners-middle-east-mess/

    Tillerson called on Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain and Egypt to ease their anti-Qatar blockade and announced that the U.S. supported a Kuwaiti-led mediation effort. The problem for Tillerson was that his statement was contradicted by Donald Trump who, during a Rose Garden appearance on the same day, castigated Qatar, saying the emirate “has historically been a funder of terrorism at a very high level.”

    A close associate of the secretary of state says that Tillerson was not only “blind-sided by the Trump statement,” but “absolutely enraged that the White House and State Department weren’t on the same page.” Tillerson’s aides, I was told, were convinced that the true author of Trump’s statement was U.A.E. ambassador Yousef Al Otaiba, a close friend of Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner. “Rex put two-and-two together,” his close associate says, “and concluded that this absolutely vacuous kid was running a second foreign policy out of the White House family quarters. Otaiba weighed in with Jared and Jared weighed in with Trump. What a mess.” The Trump statement was nearly the last straw for Tillerson, this close associate explains: “Rex is just exhausted. He can’t get any of his appointments approved and is running around the world cleaning up after a president whose primary foreign policy adviser is a 31-year-old amateur.”

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    Kushner needs getting rid of, maybe the Mueller thing could be turned into something useful.
  87. mcohen says:
    @annamaria
    You mean, criticizing the CIA (and its cooperation with Mossad) is antisemitic now?
    If you are such a prude re Holocaust, are you satisfied with Israel's cooperation with ISIS, which is a natural byproduct of Eretz Israel project as formulated by Oded Yinon? "The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states." Do you recognize the mounds of flesh and rivers of blood that this project has produced in the formerly functioning states of Libya and Syria? (while the dictatorships of Gulfies were spared).

    Sprinkling Gaza Ghetto with depleted uranium by the "most moral IDF" was more than enough for disinheriting the current crop of Israeli politicians from the memory of Holocaust victims. The Israel-firsters involvement into instigation of the ongoing slaughter in the Middle East -- and the ziocons' jolly alliance with neo-Nazis in Ukraine -- have effectively ended the era of jewish victimhood and severed the zionists' relation to Holocaust. It's over. Israel-firsters deeds have dirtied the memory of the Jewish victims of the WWII and eliminated any place for Israelis' claim for special sympathy "because Holocaust."

    Annie sprinkle says

    Sprinkling gaza with depleted uranium

    Care to sprinkle some proof.should i provide a sprinkle tube for that rarest of rare chardonnay.from gaza.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Pardon me, but your personal sexual fantasies are showing. How fitting that Annie Sprinkle would come to your mind with your weak-as-piss response. Though you've achieved little to distract or disprove @annamaria's comment, a commenter with a considerable track record of providing links to back up opinions with a sound moral stand.

    I honestly don't know if depleted uranium was used in Gaza but if US-made weapons were used there then there's a good chance it was. White phosphorous certainly was used and the percentage of children amongst the victims of the offensive was extraordinary high, as was the overall civilian count. It is nothing to be proud of.

    , @annamaria
    Do you have any decency, "mcohen?"

    "Genocide by Depleted Uranium in Gaza: the dossier:" http://www.acdn.net/spip/spip.php?article475&lang=en
    "...the use in the Gaza Strip of Depleted uranium weapons, in particular GBU-39 bombs and probably other DU weapons too, certainly constitutes a crime against humanity: in two ways - against the humanity of the Gaza population and against humankind in general. That is why all humanity, beginning with the people of Isrel, needs to mobilise to stop this crime immediately."
    "Israel and the U.S. Use Depleted Uranium in Gaza, Syria and Iraq:" https://craigconsidinetcd.com/2015/03/04/israel-and-the-u-s-use-depleted-uranium-in-gaza-syria-and-iraq/
    "Israel Used Depleted Uranium Shells in Syria" (Reuters contributed to this report):" http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Syria-Israel-used-depleted-uranium-shells-in-Syria-strike-312189

  88. mcohen says:
    @KA
    The Balfour Declaration may have been delivered by patrician British diplomats in the imperial splendour of Whitehall, but in many ways it had been conceived 200 miles further north, amongst the second-generation Jewish immigrants of industrial Manchester.

    Harry Sacher, a fiercely intelligent journalist on the Manchester Guardian. 
    Sacher’s friend from Oxford, Leon Simon, provided further intellectual rigour and went on to become a senior civil servant. 
    Also at the group’s centre were Simon Marks and Israel Sieff. (Marks & Spencer a a family business )


    They also formed their own remarkably compact familial unit, with Israel Sieff and Harry Sacher both marrying Simon Marks’ sisters, Rebecca and Miriam. Marks in turn married Sieff’s sister Miriam.
    In 1914, the outbreak of the First World War opened up new avenues of opportunity for the Anglo-Zionists, as the Ottoman rulers of Palestine had now become enemies of the British.

    Weizmann met C.P. Scott at a garden party in Manchester. 
    Scott, a former Liberal politician and the editor of the Manchester Guardian, found Weizmann “extraordinarily interesting” and the two formed an instant rapport. His newspaper, became an increasingly staunch supporter of the Zionist cause, with Harry Sacher leading the charge. 
    Scott was also extraordinarily generous in wielding his considerable political influence on behalf of Weizmann and the Manchester Zionists. 
    In 1915, Scott brought Weizmann to meet David Lloyd George, then the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Lloyd George’s biblical upbringing and imperial inclinations made him susceptible to the Zionist cause. Exposure to the full force of Weizmann’s persuasive charm did the rest.
    It was another Manchester friend, philosopher Samuel Alexander (the first Jewish fellow of an Oxford college), who arranged a fateful meeting between Weizmann and Arthur Balfour.
    https://www.thejc.com/lifestyle/features/chaim-weizmann-and-how-the-balfour-declaration-was-made-in-manchester-1.37772

    In 1916, David Lloyd George became Prime Minister and Balfour was appointed as Foreign Secretary. Weizmann now had the support of the key decision-makers in the British government. 
    Sensing a potential opportunity, the Manchester Zionists also stepped up their campaign. Sacher, Sieff and Marks formed the British Palestine Committee along with their friend Herbert Sidebotham, another influential Manchester Guardian journalist. 
    Funded by Sieff and Marks, the committee published a journal, Palestine, which advocated a Jewish Palestine under British protection. Their prose was so vehement at times that Sir Mark Sykes asked Weizmann to rein in his supporters for fear of upsetting the diplomatic apple cart.https://www.thejc.com/lifestyle/features/chaim-weizmann-and-how-the-balfour-declaration-was-made-in-manchester-1.37772

    Great stuff thanks for the links.

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    From 2011 Churchill was doing his best to hurt and antagonize Turkey . That forced Turkey to reach out to Germany . Churchill was well funded and subsidized by Jewish group including by Sasson and Amery ( real author of Balfour Declaration )
    Weizmann made sure that Brandeis and Frankfurter would influence America Frankfurter scuttled and torpedoed American Turkey non aggression pact and diplomatic solution of existing problem. He sandbagged Mr.House of the State Department . He was engaging into treason . So was Brandeis then and later.


    Zionist started spreading the fear that unless Balfour Declaration were spearheaded by UK, Czar and Germany would do and steal the limelight, gains, and American favor

    Zionist promised American Jewry’s help to Britain if Britain did declare Balfour . Britain knew what that meant. Russia had just lost the war against Japan.

  89. @Wally
    Poor hasbarist Lot, his laughably impossible 'gas chambers' are his holy relics, Auschwitz is his New Age Temple.

    He and those like him have no chance in rational debate, hence the need for supremacist Jews to suppress free speech.

    Like the child who finds out that Santa Claus and elves are not real, Lot and those like him are in panic mode.

    The world is becoming more & more aware of the propaganda, fraudulent nature of the sham '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers', Lot and those like him are becoming increasingly desperate.

    Lot just pretends that the 'holocau$t' religion is fact, even though it does not pass the science, logic, & rational thought test.

    The absurd 'holocau$t' storyline no different than witchcraft which was believed by countless millions worldwide, there were endless 'testimonies', 'eyewitnesses' and show trials that "proved' witchcraft.

    Only Liars Want Censorship
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    "One should not ask, how this mass murder was made possible. It was technically possible, because it happened. This has to be the obligatory starting-point for any historical research regarding this topic. We would just like to remind you: There is no debate regarding the existence of the gas chambers, and there can never be one."

    - endorsed by 34 "reputable historians" and published in the French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979
     
    The Wannsee Conference Protocol
    Anatomy of a Fabrication
    http://codoh.com/library/document/934/

    "Jewish huckstering is most obviously apparent in its frenzied compulsion to uphold the “holocaust” myth, whose exposure would not only refute the Jews’ claim to Palestine and to endless financial reparations and atonement for harm not done to them, it would also deliver Jews and their minions to the fury of a world deceived and victimized for centuries by their lies and conspiracies."

    - Gerard Menuhin: Revisionist Jew, Son of Famous Violinist'
     

    “it is necessary to recognize that the lack of traces involves the inability to directly establish the reality of the existence of homicidal gas chambers.”
    - French historian Jacques Baynac, Le Nouveau Quotidien (Lausanne, Switzerland), Sept. 3, 1996, p. 14.
     
    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.
    Note: actually show us excavations & their contents, not some Zionist liar claiming mass graves where none exist, and not showing the alleged, verifiable enormous human remains of Jews.

    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are..

    If mass graves were in existence, rest assured thousands of US tax-supported holocaust shrines would also be in existence. Along with continuous pilgrimages made to the holy shines, with attendance of every school child, college student, congressman, US presidential candidate, and Western head-of-state being mandatory.

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    In addition to the absence of mass graves with the claimed number of bodies, there is no evidence re. massive deforestation and excavations that would have had to take place at places like Treblinka to cover up the claimed crimes. And even though the claimed open-air pyres are unbelievable, it's worth considering the environmental effects of that many human cremains:

    http://www.letyourlovegrow.com/eco-friendly-burial/burying-ashes-harmful-to-environment/
  90. @mcohen
    Annie sprinkle says

    Sprinkling gaza with depleted uranium

    Care to sprinkle some proof.should i provide a sprinkle tube for that rarest of rare chardonnay.from gaza.

    Pardon me, but your personal sexual fantasies are showing. How fitting that Annie Sprinkle would come to your mind with your weak-as-piss response. Though you’ve achieved little to distract or disprove ’s comment, a commenter with a considerable track record of providing links to back up opinions with a sound moral stand.

    I honestly don’t know if depleted uranium was used in Gaza but if US-made weapons were used there then there’s a good chance it was. White phosphorous certainly was used and the percentage of children amongst the victims of the offensive was extraordinary high, as was the overall civilian count. It is nothing to be proud of.

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  91. @biz
    Hell yes. Also, this kind of article and batshit oozing personality disorder comment section (Holohoax!!1! USS Liberty1!! AmeriZioNazis!!) is exactly what supporters of Israel like to see associated with opposition to Israel. Far from sending anyone to disrupt Geraldi's articles, if there actually was an organized effort on behalf of Israel they'd be encouraging them! Hell they'd be commenting here saying great article and I hates de Jeweesh too.

    Since Israel itself admits organized efforts on behalf of Israel exist, you’re disputing the words of your own spokesmen Yours is a good example of how Jews have told so many lies about so many things, for such a long period of time, until one lie contradicts another. I suggest you take a long break.

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  92. Hibernian says:
    @Bragadocious
    Irish Central is not devoted to "Irish culture." Unless you mean by Irish culture relentless Trump bashing and left-wing agitprop. Their goal is an America with completely open borders and no deportations, in line with what Enda Kenny wants. So they are in fact pushing the Irish government's agenda while publishing content in NYC. A perfect case for FARA.

    Sure, they’re liberal. They could easily register as foreign agents for just about any EU nation.

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  93. @Carroll Price

    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are..

     

    If mass graves were in existence, rest assured thousands of US tax-supported holocaust shrines would also be in existence. Along with continuous pilgrimages made to the holy shines, with attendance of every school child, college student, congressman, US presidential candidate, and Western head-of-state being mandatory.

    In addition to the absence of mass graves with the claimed number of bodies, there is no evidence re. massive deforestation and excavations that would have had to take place at places like Treblinka to cover up the claimed crimes. And even though the claimed open-air pyres are unbelievable, it’s worth considering the environmental effects of that many human cremains:

    http://www.letyourlovegrow.com/eco-friendly-burial/burying-ashes-harmful-to-environment/

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  94. LondonBob says:
    @El Dato
    Meanwhile, Jews instrumenting a confused President for War:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/tillerson-and-mattis-cleaning-up-kushners-middle-east-mess/


    Tillerson called on Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain and Egypt to ease their anti-Qatar blockade and announced that the U.S. supported a Kuwaiti-led mediation effort. The problem for Tillerson was that his statement was contradicted by Donald Trump who, during a Rose Garden appearance on the same day, castigated Qatar, saying the emirate “has historically been a funder of terrorism at a very high level.”

    A close associate of the secretary of state says that Tillerson was not only “blind-sided by the Trump statement,” but “absolutely enraged that the White House and State Department weren’t on the same page.” Tillerson’s aides, I was told, were convinced that the true author of Trump’s statement was U.A.E. ambassador Yousef Al Otaiba, a close friend of Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner. “Rex put two-and-two together,” his close associate says, “and concluded that this absolutely vacuous kid was running a second foreign policy out of the White House family quarters. Otaiba weighed in with Jared and Jared weighed in with Trump. What a mess.” The Trump statement was nearly the last straw for Tillerson, this close associate explains: “Rex is just exhausted. He can’t get any of his appointments approved and is running around the world cleaning up after a president whose primary foreign policy adviser is a 31-year-old amateur.”
     

    Kushner needs getting rid of, maybe the Mueller thing could be turned into something useful.

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    Mueller is unredeemable - he is a complete refuse: no reasoning abilities, no honor, no courage. A whoring puppet of male appearance.
    About John Pilger’ new film "The Coming War on China" (that also tells a story about American Mengeles): https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/23/white-mans-country-and-the-iron-room/
  95. annamaria says:
    @mcohen
    Annie sprinkle says

    Sprinkling gaza with depleted uranium

    Care to sprinkle some proof.should i provide a sprinkle tube for that rarest of rare chardonnay.from gaza.

    Do you have any decency, “mcohen?”

    “Genocide by Depleted Uranium in Gaza: the dossier:” http://www.acdn.net/spip/spip.php?article475&lang=en
    “…the use in the Gaza Strip of Depleted uranium weapons, in particular GBU-39 bombs and probably other DU weapons too, certainly constitutes a crime against humanity: in two ways – against the humanity of the Gaza population and against humankind in general. That is why all humanity, beginning with the people of Isrel, needs to mobilise to stop this crime immediately.”
    “Israel and the U.S. Use Depleted Uranium in Gaza, Syria and Iraq:” https://craigconsidinetcd.com/2015/03/04/israel-and-the-u-s-use-depleted-uranium-in-gaza-syria-and-iraq/
    “Israel Used Depleted Uranium Shells in Syria” (Reuters contributed to this report):” http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Syria-Israel-used-depleted-uranium-shells-in-Syria-strike-312189

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    Annie sprinkle

    Depleted uranium spreads.why would israel poison its own water and population
    Fake news links
  96. @RobinG
    [The perennial bickering over Israel will keep.]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEjZ5gI9GaM&t=8s
    UNREAL: The real election interference scandal HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT

    Good stuff on the Ukraine candy oligarch has his ‘woman’ at the DNC. Kinda slow getting there, it’d be nice if Stranahan could stay on point for 30 seconds. An aside, since he dropped Bannon’s name, do you suppose he’s aware Bannon associates with a cross-dresser? :D

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2017/02/18/steve-rosie-obannon/

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    "Kinda slow getting there... " Quite a few people say that, but those of us interested in a broader picture disagree. There are conversations.

    ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH PERISCOPE ?
    This format seems to confuse the uninitiated. (Like, "why is X posing for the camera?" No, X is reading from a screen.) Lee, and other Periscopers, notify their subscribers, who then join a live stream and participate via text.

    "PERSUASION" MORE IMPORTANT THAN FACT
    You, or someone else, might like the analysis by Scott Adams. I find Adams sickly amoral , if not outright immoral, but also highly intelligent and perceptive. His forthcoming book should be of interest to students of propaganda.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwiaemWSgAo
    Coffee with Scott Adams - Chaos at CNN! Caught faking Russia narrative

    Steve Bannon was the only one among Trump's circle who opposed the Tomahawk strike on Syria. You don't allege pedophilia, snuff, etc. His private life is of no interest to me.
  97. Rurik says: • Website
    @Lot
    You did not answer the question either. In Giraldi's circles you can question the "Holohoax"all you want, so I disagree with you there too. It isn't like he works at a large company and already, in his mind at least, spoken the truth to Anglo Zionist Zogpower.

    You did not answer the question either.

    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off? I bet you are scared to answer this question…

    not me..

    there were *six million* Jews murdered during the Holocaust because the Nazis hated all non-Aryans and others who were different in any way, so the Jews were their primary victims (the only ones who matter) because the Jews were of a different religion, and were not Aryan. They were mostly gassed in homicidal gas chambers when they weren’t being killed by ‘eagles and bears’, or experimented on where diabolical Nazi surgeons would sew their feet to where their hands were supposed to be for their sick and twisted amusement.

    The murdered Jews would then be tossed into ovens and the fat would pour out of the ovens and create inconvenient floods on the oven room floors, so the Nazis decided to solve this problem by using all the fat to make soap, that all Nazis used to keep clean. (Nazis were very hygienic)

    oftentimes one particularly nasty Nazi gal would ride her horse into the Buchenwald barracks for women, and would make all the Jewish women undress so that she could see which ones had nice tattoos for making skin lampshades. (When Nazis weren’t shrinking the heads of Jews for trinkets, they were all busy making lampshades out of their skin).

    The intention of the Holocaust was to genocide all Jews, including the ones they put on ships and sent West, and the ones they facilitated to move to Palestine and elsewhere. (this was just part of the sinister Nazi final solution by tricking the world into thinking that they simply wanted the Jews out of their lands)

    So let’s recap. Six million. Not one soul less, mind you! (If you suggest otherwise you’re a denier and a Nazi apologist! )

    Intention to completely exterminate the entire Jewish race, ur, I mean religion, from the planet. And the reason has NOTHING to do with anything that any Jews did or were doing! Every Jew that died in the Holocaust was murdered for simply being a Jew. (If you doubt that, you’re a denier and a Nazi) The Jews (to a man and women) were absolutely innocent of everything, and every single one that died was a victim of Nazi genocidal hatred because they weren’t Aryans. [the Nazis planed on killing everyone who wasn't a blond-haired, blue-eyed Aryan, except for a few Poles who they intended to be slaves]

    *The main thing to understand about the Holocaust is its place in human history as the singular most evil atrocity that has ever been committed. Bar none.*

    Compared to the Holocaust nothing matters. The slaughter of 60+ million non-Jewish souls in that mass-Jewish/banker/Zionist imposed European catastrophe are absolutely irrelevant. The (Jewish, Bolshevik imposed) mass starvation of millions of Ukrainians are of exactly zero consequence. When compared to the blame that all Gentiles carry for this crime, all other crimes are so inconsequential as to be not even worthy of mention. The US has a massive Holocaust museum to the Jewish victims of the Holocaust, (because we’re just as guilty), but nothing for the Amerindians, who by comparison, don’t matter one whit.

    That
    is the main lesson of the Holocaust. That it was the most consequential, monumental atrocity of all time – with nothing compared.. because it was, for lack of a better wording, the pure evil of sub-human goyim- who were put on earth to serve their Jewish betters, raising a hand to the chosen people of god!!

    It was like they tried to kill god himself, and for that, any attempt to describe the Holocaust as “a detail of history’, is so beyond the Pale evil, that is just goes to show that we didn’t manage to kill quite all the Nazis after the war was ‘won’. Anyone who downplays the holy significance of the Holocaust- as the worst crime ever committed in the history of the world, are simply proving themselves to be reprobate Nazis, and should be treated the same way the world treated the Nazis (all Germans and Eastern Europeans who fought against the Soviets) after the war. When the righteous German government today imprisons 90 year old German grandmothers for their doubts about the Holocaust, they’re simply showing god-like forbearance, because that grandmother deserves nothing less that what every Nazi got.

    there

    there’s the narrative that will get you an A+ in America’s high schools and universities.

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    • Replies: @Rurik
    Also Rurik please don't forget the lesson of the Holocaust !

    the lesson of the Holocaust is that since Jews were persecuted and often died horribly due to Nazi crimes (that part is actually true), anyways the lesson is that because of the crimes committed against Jews during WWII, that now Jews are free to commit cruel genocide against others and murder them and their children and steal their land.

    just so as we're all clear on the *lesson of the Holocaust*
    , @Wally
    - If there was ‘a plan to kill every Jew the Germans could get their hands on’ then why are there countless numbers of so called “survivor$"?

    - If the alleged ‘holocaust’ was fact, then why are there laws in Europe to prevent scrutiny of it? What kind of “truth” needs to imprison people to prevent free speech?

    The Industry now claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were shot by the Einsatzgruppen into huge pits, so, anyone, please show us the excavated enormous mass graves that are claimed to exist, their locations are allegedly known.
    Is that:
    100 graves of 20,000?
    200 graves of 10,000?
    400 graves of 5,000?
    500 graves of 4,000?
    1000 graves of 2000?
    2000 graves of 1000?

    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.
    Note: actually show us excavations & their contents, not some Zionist liar claiming mass graves where none exist, and not showing the alleged, verifiable enormous human remains of Jews.


    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
    , @Wally
    Laughable Zionist propaganda.

    Dare to examine the absurd & laughable 'holocaust' storyline rationally, logically, scientifically and it falls apart like the house-of-cards that it is.

    ex:

    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.
    Note: actually show us excavations & their contents, not some Zionist liar claiming mass graves where none exist, and not showing the alleged, verifiable enormous human remains of Jews.

    The Los Angeles Coliseum holds ca 90,000, and according to the 'holocaust' scam Treblinka holds 900,000 remains of Jews, allegedly buried there. That equals 10 times the Los Angeles Coliseum capacity shown here:
    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1348&t=1
    So actually show the claimed human remains?
    , @Father O'Hara
    For extra credit you add: That evil racist Hitler hated Jews and blacks because "muh master race."
    He walked out when Jesse Owens won his gold medal. The Jews loved Owens because equality.
  98. Rurik says: • Website
    @Rurik

    You did not answer the question either.
     

    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off? I bet you are scared to answer this question...
     
    not me..

    there were *six million* Jews murdered during the Holocaust because the Nazis hated all non-Aryans and others who were different in any way, so the Jews were their primary victims (the only ones who matter) because the Jews were of a different religion, and were not Aryan. They were mostly gassed in homicidal gas chambers when they weren't being killed by 'eagles and bears', or experimented on where diabolical Nazi surgeons would sew their feet to where their hands were supposed to be for their sick and twisted amusement.

    The murdered Jews would then be tossed into ovens and the fat would pour out of the ovens and create inconvenient floods on the oven room floors, so the Nazis decided to solve this problem by using all the fat to make soap, that all Nazis used to keep clean. (Nazis were very hygienic)

    https://mattmulheran.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/marlonbnazi3.jpg

    oftentimes one particularly nasty Nazi gal would ride her horse into the Buchenwald barracks for women, and would make all the Jewish women undress so that she could see which ones had nice tattoos for making skin lampshades. (When Nazis weren't shrinking the heads of Jews for trinkets, they were all busy making lampshades out of their skin).

    The intention of the Holocaust was to genocide all Jews, including the ones they put on ships and sent West, and the ones they facilitated to move to Palestine and elsewhere. (this was just part of the sinister Nazi final solution by tricking the world into thinking that they simply wanted the Jews out of their lands)

    So let's recap. Six million. Not one soul less, mind you! (If you suggest otherwise you're a denier and a Nazi apologist! )

    Intention to completely exterminate the entire Jewish race, ur, I mean religion, from the planet. And the reason has NOTHING to do with anything that any Jews did or were doing! Every Jew that died in the Holocaust was murdered for simply being a Jew. (If you doubt that, you're a denier and a Nazi) The Jews (to a man and women) were absolutely innocent of everything, and every single one that died was a victim of Nazi genocidal hatred because they weren't Aryans. [the Nazis planed on killing everyone who wasn't a blond-haired, blue-eyed Aryan, except for a few Poles who they intended to be slaves]

    *The main thing to understand about the Holocaust is its place in human history as the singular most evil atrocity that has ever been committed. Bar none.*

    Compared to the Holocaust nothing matters. The slaughter of 60+ million non-Jewish souls in that mass-Jewish/banker/Zionist imposed European catastrophe are absolutely irrelevant. The (Jewish, Bolshevik imposed) mass starvation of millions of Ukrainians are of exactly zero consequence. When compared to the blame that all Gentiles carry for this crime, all other crimes are so inconsequential as to be not even worthy of mention. The US has a massive Holocaust museum to the Jewish victims of the Holocaust, (because we're just as guilty), but nothing for the Amerindians, who by comparison, don't matter one whit.

    That
    is the main lesson of the Holocaust. That it was the most consequential, monumental atrocity of all time - with nothing compared.. because it was, for lack of a better wording, the pure evil of sub-human goyim- who were put on earth to serve their Jewish betters, raising a hand to the chosen people of god!!

    It was like they tried to kill god himself, and for that, any attempt to describe the Holocaust as "a detail of history', is so beyond the Pale evil, that is just goes to show that we didn't manage to kill quite all the Nazis after the war was 'won'. Anyone who downplays the holy significance of the Holocaust- as the worst crime ever committed in the history of the world, are simply proving themselves to be reprobate Nazis, and should be treated the same way the world treated the Nazis (all Germans and Eastern Europeans who fought against the Soviets) after the war. When the righteous German government today imprisons 90 year old German grandmothers for their doubts about the Holocaust, they're simply showing god-like forbearance, because that grandmother deserves nothing less that what every Nazi got.

    there

    there's the narrative that will get you an A+ in America's high schools and universities.

    Also Rurik please don’t forget the lesson of the Holocaust !

    the lesson of the Holocaust is that since Jews were persecuted and often died horribly due to Nazi crimes (that part is actually true), anyways the lesson is that because of the crimes committed against Jews during WWII, that now Jews are free to commit cruel genocide against others and murder them and their children and steal their land.

    just so as we’re all clear on the *lesson of the Holocaust*

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  99. annamaria says:
    @LondonBob
    Kushner needs getting rid of, maybe the Mueller thing could be turned into something useful.

    Mueller is unredeemable – he is a complete refuse: no reasoning abilities, no honor, no courage. A whoring puppet of male appearance.
    About John Pilger’ new film “The Coming War on China” (that also tells a story about American Mengeles): https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/23/white-mans-country-and-the-iron-room/

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  100. @annamaria
    Actually, the idea that the state of Israel wants certain chunks of Syria is not a conspiracy theory; this desire of the Israelis is well known. You are free to debunk it.

    Israel's support for "moderate" jihadis fighting the legitimate government of Syria has been documented, whereas the US/Gulfies' support (also documented) for the same unicorns ("moderate" jihadis) has been going in sync with Israelis'.
    Perhaps you know the definition "Israel-firster" - the one who puts the interests of Israel above the interests of a country of his/her residence - and perhaps you are aware that the US Congress is under heavy influence of the Lobby that includes a lot of high-placed Israel-firsters. But if you prefer not to know about this sorry state of affairs (for the US citizenry), this does not give you any rights to slander Mr. Giraldi. The Lobby has been very effective in weeding out any criticism of Israel under pretext of anti-semitism. Unlike your petty "The Grate Deign," Mr. Giraldi uses courageously his real name.

    "According to the founding father of Zionism Theodore Herzl, “the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.” According to Rabbi Fischmann, “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.”
    "Israeli strategists viewed Iraq as their biggest strategic challenge from an Arab state. This is why Iraq was outlined as the centerpiece to the balkanization of the Middle East and the Arab World. ... The Atlantic, in 2008, and the U.S. military’s Armed Forces Journal, in 2006, both published widely circulated maps that closely followed the outline of the Yinon Plan....
    Greater Israel” requires the breaking up of the existing Arab states into small states.
    “The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states. ... Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel’s satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation… This is not a new idea, nor does it surface for the first time in Zionist strategic thinking. Indeed, fragmenting all Arab states into smaller units has been a recurrent theme.” (see Yinon Plan)
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    annamarie,

    I didn’t say Giraldi was right, wrong, or otherwise. I only noted that his articles trigger the loony fringe of conspiracy lovers, which is manifestly true.

    The Grate Deign

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    • Replies: @Sparkon
    Name calling, ad hom, labeling, "kill the messenger" are all variations on the most common fallacy employed by people who have no real argument.

    Name-calling is always a red flag.

  101. Sparkon says:
    @The Grate Deign
    annamarie,

    I didn't say Giraldi was right, wrong, or otherwise. I only noted that his articles trigger the loony fringe of conspiracy lovers, which is manifestly true.

    The Grate Deign

    Name calling, ad hom, labeling, “kill the messenger” are all variations on the most common fallacy employed by people who have no real argument.

    Name-calling is always a red flag.

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  102. Wally says: • Website
    @Rurik

    You did not answer the question either.
     

    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off? I bet you are scared to answer this question...
     
    not me..

    there were *six million* Jews murdered during the Holocaust because the Nazis hated all non-Aryans and others who were different in any way, so the Jews were their primary victims (the only ones who matter) because the Jews were of a different religion, and were not Aryan. They were mostly gassed in homicidal gas chambers when they weren't being killed by 'eagles and bears', or experimented on where diabolical Nazi surgeons would sew their feet to where their hands were supposed to be for their sick and twisted amusement.

    The murdered Jews would then be tossed into ovens and the fat would pour out of the ovens and create inconvenient floods on the oven room floors, so the Nazis decided to solve this problem by using all the fat to make soap, that all Nazis used to keep clean. (Nazis were very hygienic)

    https://mattmulheran.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/marlonbnazi3.jpg

    oftentimes one particularly nasty Nazi gal would ride her horse into the Buchenwald barracks for women, and would make all the Jewish women undress so that she could see which ones had nice tattoos for making skin lampshades. (When Nazis weren't shrinking the heads of Jews for trinkets, they were all busy making lampshades out of their skin).

    The intention of the Holocaust was to genocide all Jews, including the ones they put on ships and sent West, and the ones they facilitated to move to Palestine and elsewhere. (this was just part of the sinister Nazi final solution by tricking the world into thinking that they simply wanted the Jews out of their lands)

    So let's recap. Six million. Not one soul less, mind you! (If you suggest otherwise you're a denier and a Nazi apologist! )

    Intention to completely exterminate the entire Jewish race, ur, I mean religion, from the planet. And the reason has NOTHING to do with anything that any Jews did or were doing! Every Jew that died in the Holocaust was murdered for simply being a Jew. (If you doubt that, you're a denier and a Nazi) The Jews (to a man and women) were absolutely innocent of everything, and every single one that died was a victim of Nazi genocidal hatred because they weren't Aryans. [the Nazis planed on killing everyone who wasn't a blond-haired, blue-eyed Aryan, except for a few Poles who they intended to be slaves]

    *The main thing to understand about the Holocaust is its place in human history as the singular most evil atrocity that has ever been committed. Bar none.*

    Compared to the Holocaust nothing matters. The slaughter of 60+ million non-Jewish souls in that mass-Jewish/banker/Zionist imposed European catastrophe are absolutely irrelevant. The (Jewish, Bolshevik imposed) mass starvation of millions of Ukrainians are of exactly zero consequence. When compared to the blame that all Gentiles carry for this crime, all other crimes are so inconsequential as to be not even worthy of mention. The US has a massive Holocaust museum to the Jewish victims of the Holocaust, (because we're just as guilty), but nothing for the Amerindians, who by comparison, don't matter one whit.

    That
    is the main lesson of the Holocaust. That it was the most consequential, monumental atrocity of all time - with nothing compared.. because it was, for lack of a better wording, the pure evil of sub-human goyim- who were put on earth to serve their Jewish betters, raising a hand to the chosen people of god!!

    It was like they tried to kill god himself, and for that, any attempt to describe the Holocaust as "a detail of history', is so beyond the Pale evil, that is just goes to show that we didn't manage to kill quite all the Nazis after the war was 'won'. Anyone who downplays the holy significance of the Holocaust- as the worst crime ever committed in the history of the world, are simply proving themselves to be reprobate Nazis, and should be treated the same way the world treated the Nazis (all Germans and Eastern Europeans who fought against the Soviets) after the war. When the righteous German government today imprisons 90 year old German grandmothers for their doubts about the Holocaust, they're simply showing god-like forbearance, because that grandmother deserves nothing less that what every Nazi got.

    there

    there's the narrative that will get you an A+ in America's high schools and universities.

    - If there was ‘a plan to kill every Jew the Germans could get their hands on’ then why are there countless numbers of so called “survivor$”?

    - If the alleged ‘holocaust’ was fact, then why are there laws in Europe to prevent scrutiny of it? What kind of “truth” needs to imprison people to prevent free speech?

    The Industry now claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were shot by the Einsatzgruppen into huge pits, so, anyone, please show us the excavated enormous mass graves that are claimed to exist, their locations are allegedly known.
    Is that:
    100 graves of 20,000?
    200 graves of 10,000?
    400 graves of 5,000?
    500 graves of 4,000?
    1000 graves of 2000?
    2000 graves of 1000?

    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.
    Note: actually show us excavations & their contents, not some Zionist liar claiming mass graves where none exist, and not showing the alleged, verifiable enormous human remains of Jews.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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    • Replies: @Anon

    - If there was ‘a plan to kill every Jew the Germans could get their hands on’ then why are there countless numbers of so called “survivor$”?
     
    If the plan of 9/11 was to kill everyone in the Twin Towers, then why did so many people survive?

    - If the alleged ‘holocaust’ was fact, then why are there laws in Europe to prevent scrutiny of it? What kind of “truth” needs to imprison people to prevent free speech?
     
    Non sequitur.
    , @truthtellerAryan
    Questioning "the imperial tribe" is capital punishment. The so-called democratic and free western societies have orders of a line they can't cross. The so called free speech only applies to those the Zionists hate: nationalists Aryans, their own half-brothers (demonizing them makes it easy to steal and kill them). Their banks, money, Hollywood, and full control of MSM, bring shiver to our masses, politicians in particular. Questioning the holowfaux will end one in prison, without any crime committed! We're already getting there in this country. Exactly what they did in Russia after the Bolshevik takeover......
  103. Wally says: • Website
    @Rurik

    You did not answer the question either.
     

    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off? I bet you are scared to answer this question...
     
    not me..

    there were *six million* Jews murdered during the Holocaust because the Nazis hated all non-Aryans and others who were different in any way, so the Jews were their primary victims (the only ones who matter) because the Jews were of a different religion, and were not Aryan. They were mostly gassed in homicidal gas chambers when they weren't being killed by 'eagles and bears', or experimented on where diabolical Nazi surgeons would sew their feet to where their hands were supposed to be for their sick and twisted amusement.

    The murdered Jews would then be tossed into ovens and the fat would pour out of the ovens and create inconvenient floods on the oven room floors, so the Nazis decided to solve this problem by using all the fat to make soap, that all Nazis used to keep clean. (Nazis were very hygienic)

    https://mattmulheran.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/marlonbnazi3.jpg

    oftentimes one particularly nasty Nazi gal would ride her horse into the Buchenwald barracks for women, and would make all the Jewish women undress so that she could see which ones had nice tattoos for making skin lampshades. (When Nazis weren't shrinking the heads of Jews for trinkets, they were all busy making lampshades out of their skin).

    The intention of the Holocaust was to genocide all Jews, including the ones they put on ships and sent West, and the ones they facilitated to move to Palestine and elsewhere. (this was just part of the sinister Nazi final solution by tricking the world into thinking that they simply wanted the Jews out of their lands)

    So let's recap. Six million. Not one soul less, mind you! (If you suggest otherwise you're a denier and a Nazi apologist! )

    Intention to completely exterminate the entire Jewish race, ur, I mean religion, from the planet. And the reason has NOTHING to do with anything that any Jews did or were doing! Every Jew that died in the Holocaust was murdered for simply being a Jew. (If you doubt that, you're a denier and a Nazi) The Jews (to a man and women) were absolutely innocent of everything, and every single one that died was a victim of Nazi genocidal hatred because they weren't Aryans. [the Nazis planed on killing everyone who wasn't a blond-haired, blue-eyed Aryan, except for a few Poles who they intended to be slaves]

    *The main thing to understand about the Holocaust is its place in human history as the singular most evil atrocity that has ever been committed. Bar none.*

    Compared to the Holocaust nothing matters. The slaughter of 60+ million non-Jewish souls in that mass-Jewish/banker/Zionist imposed European catastrophe are absolutely irrelevant. The (Jewish, Bolshevik imposed) mass starvation of millions of Ukrainians are of exactly zero consequence. When compared to the blame that all Gentiles carry for this crime, all other crimes are so inconsequential as to be not even worthy of mention. The US has a massive Holocaust museum to the Jewish victims of the Holocaust, (because we're just as guilty), but nothing for the Amerindians, who by comparison, don't matter one whit.

    That
    is the main lesson of the Holocaust. That it was the most consequential, monumental atrocity of all time - with nothing compared.. because it was, for lack of a better wording, the pure evil of sub-human goyim- who were put on earth to serve their Jewish betters, raising a hand to the chosen people of god!!

    It was like they tried to kill god himself, and for that, any attempt to describe the Holocaust as "a detail of history', is so beyond the Pale evil, that is just goes to show that we didn't manage to kill quite all the Nazis after the war was 'won'. Anyone who downplays the holy significance of the Holocaust- as the worst crime ever committed in the history of the world, are simply proving themselves to be reprobate Nazis, and should be treated the same way the world treated the Nazis (all Germans and Eastern Europeans who fought against the Soviets) after the war. When the righteous German government today imprisons 90 year old German grandmothers for their doubts about the Holocaust, they're simply showing god-like forbearance, because that grandmother deserves nothing less that what every Nazi got.

    there

    there's the narrative that will get you an A+ in America's high schools and universities.

    Laughable Zionist propaganda.

    Dare to examine the absurd & laughable ‘holocaust’ storyline rationally, logically, scientifically and it falls apart like the house-of-cards that it is.

    ex:

    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.
    Note: actually show us excavations & their contents, not some Zionist liar claiming mass graves where none exist, and not showing the alleged, verifiable enormous human remains of Jews.

    The Los Angeles Coliseum holds ca 90,000, and according to the ‘holocaust’ scam Treblinka holds 900,000 remains of Jews, allegedly buried there. That equals 10 times the Los Angeles Coliseum capacity shown here:

    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1348&t=1

    So actually show the claimed human remains?

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    • Replies: @L.K
    Re your reply to Rurik;
    You don't get irony, do ya?
  104. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    - If there was ‘a plan to kill every Jew the Germans could get their hands on’ then why are there countless numbers of so called “survivor$"?

    - If the alleged ‘holocaust’ was fact, then why are there laws in Europe to prevent scrutiny of it? What kind of “truth” needs to imprison people to prevent free speech?

    The Industry now claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were shot by the Einsatzgruppen into huge pits, so, anyone, please show us the excavated enormous mass graves that are claimed to exist, their locations are allegedly known.
    Is that:
    100 graves of 20,000?
    200 graves of 10,000?
    400 graves of 5,000?
    500 graves of 4,000?
    1000 graves of 2000?
    2000 graves of 1000?

    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.
    Note: actually show us excavations & their contents, not some Zionist liar claiming mass graves where none exist, and not showing the alleged, verifiable enormous human remains of Jews.


    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    - If there was ‘a plan to kill every Jew the Germans could get their hands on’ then why are there countless numbers of so called “survivor$”?

    If the plan of 9/11 was to kill everyone in the Twin Towers, then why did so many people survive?

    - If the alleged ‘holocaust’ was fact, then why are there laws in Europe to prevent scrutiny of it? What kind of “truth” needs to imprison people to prevent free speech?

    Non sequitur.

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    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
    codoh groupies are losers. At some risk of violating my rule not to attract the attention of trolls (I don't know why 'Wallys' are tolerated here but it's not really my business) here's a somewhat different take on holocaust denial:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/01/29/holocaust-perversions-of-truth-western-mentality/

    ^ probably not pleasing to the either the neo-Nazi types or the hardline Israeli myth embracers
    , @L.K
    Troll Anon: "If the plan of 9/11 was to kill everyone in the Twin Towers..."

    That was not the plan. Idiotic comparison.
  105. @Anon

    - If there was ‘a plan to kill every Jew the Germans could get their hands on’ then why are there countless numbers of so called “survivor$”?
     
    If the plan of 9/11 was to kill everyone in the Twin Towers, then why did so many people survive?

    - If the alleged ‘holocaust’ was fact, then why are there laws in Europe to prevent scrutiny of it? What kind of “truth” needs to imprison people to prevent free speech?
     
    Non sequitur.

    codoh groupies are losers. At some risk of violating my rule not to attract the attention of trolls (I don’t know why ‘Wallys’ are tolerated here but it’s not really my business) here’s a somewhat different take on holocaust denial:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/01/29/holocaust-perversions-of-truth-western-mentality/

    ^ probably not pleasing to the either the neo-Nazi types or the hardline Israeli myth embracers

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    I took the bait and clicked your link.

    ...the point is, whether by slave labor, starvation, bullet, mobile gas chamber or other means, the Nazis set out to exterminate Europe’s Jews
     
    I stopped reading right there since that is a lie.

    If one thinks that, then one would need to explain Zionist collaboration with Nazis and the fact that Nazis actively supported Jewish movement into Palestine. In fact, that's probably one reason the Nazis were loathed and vilified by the Brits; they didn't want the Germans involved anywhere near their oil rich lands especially with sympathetic Jews on their side.

    , @Rurik

    Many, many Jewish people died for the simple fact they were Jews.
     
    just as many, many Germans died (after the war "was over") for the simple fact that they were Germans.

    And that was a world class crime which fighting over numbers cannot diminish.
     
    I'm tempted to howl at your characterization of the Holocaust as "a crime?!", when surely it was the crime of all crimes!, but I fear my farce has become tedious.

    good comment, although I don't know why you selected the Congo to point out their grotesque hypocrisy, when Palestine is surely ground zero for the planet's collective moral outrage, if not for the irony, then surly for the spine-numbing hypocrisy of the Zionists there genociding innocent people even as they sanctimoniously malign the planet for perpetrating or tolerating their genocide.

    But then just as your assessment of Jews being persecuted and murdered for being Jews is correct, and so is the fact that the same was done to Germans (once the war was "over"), it seems the lesson humanity is to take from the Holocaust- isn't that genocide is wrong per se, but rather it simply depends on who is being genocided by whom; that make it either a horrific crime beyond all comprehension, or a laudable day's work. (Dresden, Congo, etc..)

    Humans it seems will always see things thought the sieve of their own prejudices.
    , @L.K
    You are the loser... clearly you also do not believe in free speech & inquiry.

    Morons such as yourself rarely can even articulate what the official holohoax version is...
    Let alone what the "evil deniers" are saying. Bet you never read one single book from the revisionist side of the hidden debate.

    BTW, the debate must be hidden from the masses because, at the intellectual level, the revisionists have already won... and the holohoaxters damn well know it!
    , @SolontoCroesus

    the point is, whether by slave labor, starvation, bullet, mobile gas chamber or other means, the Nazis set out to exterminate Europe’s Jews
     
    Please provide compelling evidence to support the claim that "the Nazis set out to exterminate Europe's Jews."
    Neither Hollywood movies nor television programs are admissible as evidence.

    ---
    Just a thought:
    The vast majority of books, films and television programs about Nazis and holocaust are written or produced or directed by Jews or at very least made to conform to the Jewish narrative.

    That narrative holds that Jews were the ultimate victims of WWII. Indeed, as Prof David Engel insists, the capital aitch holocaust was the most unique event in history, in its victimization of Jews.

    Robert Cohen wrote that "Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited/ "

    So: If it is true that "History is written by the victors."
    And if it is true, as noted above, Jews have written most of the history of WWII.
    And if it is also true, as noted above, that Jews were the ultimate victims of WWII,
    Then has there ever before in history been the situation where the ultimate victims were also the ultimate victors of a war?

    As Gideon Levy explained in a March, 2015, speech at the National Press Club, hosted by the Institute for Research on Middle East Policy (IRmep), the mental gymnastics that allow Jews/Israelis to be both the ultimate victims and the ultimate victors of WWII also "enables Israelis to live easily with the brutal reality of the occupation of Palestine" --->


    "The Israeli society has surrounded itself with shields, with walls, not only physical walls but also mental walls. . . . I’ll just give the three principles which enable us Israelis to live so easily with this brutal reality.
    A) Most of the Israelis, if not all of them, deeply believe that we are the chosen people. And if we are the chosen people, we have the right to do whatever we want.
    B) There were more brutal occupations in history. There were even longer occupations in history, even though the Israeli occupation gets to quite a nice record.
    But there was never in history an occupation in which the occupier presented himself as the victim—not only the victim, but the only victim around. This also enables any Israeli to live in peace, because we are the victims.

    In the other panel, Professor Falk spoke about the dual strategy of Israel, of being a victim on one hand and manipulating on the other hand "

    http://israellobbyus.org/transcripts/4.2Gideon_Levy2.htm
     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFQWU0DtbGA
  106. annamaria says:

    A rehearsal of Kiev’ coup d’etat in Honduras:
    “Emails [released by Wikeleaks in 2010] show that the 2009 coup was supported by Hillary Clinton’s State Department. “…there is no doubt that the military, Supreme Court and National Congress conspired on June 28 in what constituted an illegal and unconstitutional coup against the Executive Branch” — Same as in Ukraine and under the same guidance – the US State Dept.
    Whom the Clintons hate: “On March 3, BertaCáceres, a brave and outspoken indigenous Honduran environmental activist and winner of the Goldman Environmental Prize, was gunned down in her hometown of La Esperanza. … She is just one of thousands of indigenous activists, peasant leaders, trade unionists, journalists, environmentalists, judges, opposition political candidates, human rights activists, and others murdered since a military coup ousted the democratically elected president Manuel Zelaya in 2009.”
    Whom Clintons like: “Six years after the destitution of democratically-elected president Manuel Zelaya, the perpetrators of the coup are still in power, while human rights violations are more common than ever. The current government has ignored the ongoing protests by social organizations and movements. Only a few months after the Zelaya was ousted, the World Bank awarded a US$15 million loan to the Honduran corporation Grupo Dinant, indirectly legitimizing the 2009 coup.”
    A price of Clinton’s policies in Honduras for the locals: “… violence and poverty rates have skyrocketted in the country: 60 percent of Hondurans live below the poverty line, making it one of the poorest nations in the region. It is also the most deadly, with about 85 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants. Murders target vulnerable populations like children (almost 1,000 died in 2014), women (the femicide rate has reached epidemic levels – one woman is killed every 14 hours), and activists: Honduras is the most dangerous place for environmentalists (over 100 killed between 2010 and 2014) and journalists (29 killed since the coup) and rural leaders.”

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  107. @Ronald Thomas West
    codoh groupies are losers. At some risk of violating my rule not to attract the attention of trolls (I don't know why 'Wallys' are tolerated here but it's not really my business) here's a somewhat different take on holocaust denial:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/01/29/holocaust-perversions-of-truth-western-mentality/

    ^ probably not pleasing to the either the neo-Nazi types or the hardline Israeli myth embracers

    I took the bait and clicked your link.

    …the point is, whether by slave labor, starvation, bullet, mobile gas chamber or other means, the Nazis set out to exterminate Europe’s Jews

    I stopped reading right there since that is a lie.

    If one thinks that, then one would need to explain Zionist collaboration with Nazis and the fact that Nazis actively supported Jewish movement into Palestine. In fact, that’s probably one reason the Nazis were loathed and vilified by the Brits; they didn’t want the Germans involved anywhere near their oil rich lands especially with sympathetic Jews on their side.

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    • Agree: Mark Green
    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
    It does seem there was an early opportunity to remove Europe's Jews (short of exterminating them) in cooperation with the Nazis but Churchill (among others, e.g. USA) wouldn't play is my understanding of history. Consequently, the Nazis set out to kill as many as they could. Shamir hated us for the fact. There are no clean parties, some would hold the Israelis have a certain moral case (which certainly doesn't excuse decades of what amounts to inter-generational violence reflecting how the European Jews were treated turned on the Palestinians.)

    Too bad you didn't read on... ciao

  108. @Wally
    - If there was ‘a plan to kill every Jew the Germans could get their hands on’ then why are there countless numbers of so called “survivor$"?

    - If the alleged ‘holocaust’ was fact, then why are there laws in Europe to prevent scrutiny of it? What kind of “truth” needs to imprison people to prevent free speech?

    The Industry now claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were shot by the Einsatzgruppen into huge pits, so, anyone, please show us the excavated enormous mass graves that are claimed to exist, their locations are allegedly known.
    Is that:
    100 graves of 20,000?
    200 graves of 10,000?
    400 graves of 5,000?
    500 graves of 4,000?
    1000 graves of 2000?
    2000 graves of 1000?

    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.
    Note: actually show us excavations & their contents, not some Zionist liar claiming mass graves where none exist, and not showing the alleged, verifiable enormous human remains of Jews.


    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Questioning “the imperial tribe” is capital punishment. The so-called democratic and free western societies have orders of a line they can’t cross. The so called free speech only applies to those the Zionists hate: nationalists Aryans, their own half-brothers (demonizing them makes it easy to steal and kill them). Their banks, money, Hollywood, and full control of MSM, bring shiver to our masses, politicians in particular. Questioning the holowfaux will end one in prison, without any crime committed! We’re already getting there in this country. Exactly what they did in Russia after the Bolshevik takeover……

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  109. mcohen says:
    @annamaria
    Do you have any decency, "mcohen?"

    "Genocide by Depleted Uranium in Gaza: the dossier:" http://www.acdn.net/spip/spip.php?article475&lang=en
    "...the use in the Gaza Strip of Depleted uranium weapons, in particular GBU-39 bombs and probably other DU weapons too, certainly constitutes a crime against humanity: in two ways - against the humanity of the Gaza population and against humankind in general. That is why all humanity, beginning with the people of Isrel, needs to mobilise to stop this crime immediately."
    "Israel and the U.S. Use Depleted Uranium in Gaza, Syria and Iraq:" https://craigconsidinetcd.com/2015/03/04/israel-and-the-u-s-use-depleted-uranium-in-gaza-syria-and-iraq/
    "Israel Used Depleted Uranium Shells in Syria" (Reuters contributed to this report):" http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Syria-Israel-used-depleted-uranium-shells-in-Syria-strike-312189

    Annie sprinkle

    Depleted uranium spreads.why would israel poison its own water and population
    Fake news links

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    because of the rabid hatred towards the colonized native population?
    "Gaza Cancer Rates on Rise:" http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/03/cancer-rates-soar-gaza-war.html
    This is what your tribe has become:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11599932/New-Israeli-justice-minister-notorious-for-anti-Palestinian-rhetoric-given-bodyguard-after-Nazi-death-threats.html
    The use of DU against civilians by IDF should be added to the archives of Holocaust museums. Never again, indeed.
  110. Rurik says: • Website
    @Ronald Thomas West
    codoh groupies are losers. At some risk of violating my rule not to attract the attention of trolls (I don't know why 'Wallys' are tolerated here but it's not really my business) here's a somewhat different take on holocaust denial:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/01/29/holocaust-perversions-of-truth-western-mentality/

    ^ probably not pleasing to the either the neo-Nazi types or the hardline Israeli myth embracers

    Many, many Jewish people died for the simple fact they were Jews.

    just as many, many Germans died (after the war “was over”) for the simple fact that they were Germans.

    And that was a world class crime which fighting over numbers cannot diminish.

    I’m tempted to howl at your characterization of the Holocaust as “a crime?!”, when surely it was the crime of all crimes!, but I fear my farce has become tedious.

    good comment, although I don’t know why you selected the Congo to point out their grotesque hypocrisy, when Palestine is surely ground zero for the planet’s collective moral outrage, if not for the irony, then surly for the spine-numbing hypocrisy of the Zionists there genociding innocent people even as they sanctimoniously malign the planet for perpetrating or tolerating their genocide.

    But then just as your assessment of Jews being persecuted and murdered for being Jews is correct, and so is the fact that the same was done to Germans (once the war was “over”), it seems the lesson humanity is to take from the Holocaust- isn’t that genocide is wrong per se, but rather it simply depends on who is being genocided by whom; that make it either a horrific crime beyond all comprehension, or a laudable day’s work. (Dresden, Congo, etc..)

    Humans it seems will always see things thought the sieve of their own prejudices.

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  111. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @mcohen
    Great stuff thanks for the links.

    From 2011 Churchill was doing his best to hurt and antagonize Turkey . That forced Turkey to reach out to Germany . Churchill was well funded and subsidized by Jewish group including by Sasson and Amery ( real author of Balfour Declaration )
    Weizmann made sure that Brandeis and Frankfurter would influence America Frankfurter scuttled and torpedoed American Turkey non aggression pact and diplomatic solution of existing problem. He sandbagged Mr.House of the State Department . He was engaging into treason . So was Brandeis then and later.

    Zionist started spreading the fear that unless Balfour Declaration were spearheaded by UK, Czar and Germany would do and steal the limelight, gains, and American favor

    Zionist promised American Jewry’s help to Britain if Britain did declare Balfour . Britain knew what that meant. Russia had just lost the war against Japan.

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  112. @jacques sheete
    I took the bait and clicked your link.

    ...the point is, whether by slave labor, starvation, bullet, mobile gas chamber or other means, the Nazis set out to exterminate Europe’s Jews
     
    I stopped reading right there since that is a lie.

    If one thinks that, then one would need to explain Zionist collaboration with Nazis and the fact that Nazis actively supported Jewish movement into Palestine. In fact, that's probably one reason the Nazis were loathed and vilified by the Brits; they didn't want the Germans involved anywhere near their oil rich lands especially with sympathetic Jews on their side.

    It does seem there was an early opportunity to remove Europe’s Jews (short of exterminating them) in cooperation with the Nazis but Churchill (among others, e.g. USA) wouldn’t play is my understanding of history. Consequently, the Nazis set out to kill as many as they could. Shamir hated us for the fact. There are no clean parties, some would hold the Israelis have a certain moral case (which certainly doesn’t excuse decades of what amounts to inter-generational violence reflecting how the European Jews were treated turned on the Palestinians.)

    Too bad you didn’t read on… ciao

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  113. L.K says:
    @Wally
    Laughable Zionist propaganda.

    Dare to examine the absurd & laughable 'holocaust' storyline rationally, logically, scientifically and it falls apart like the house-of-cards that it is.

    ex:

    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.
    Note: actually show us excavations & their contents, not some Zionist liar claiming mass graves where none exist, and not showing the alleged, verifiable enormous human remains of Jews.

    The Los Angeles Coliseum holds ca 90,000, and according to the 'holocaust' scam Treblinka holds 900,000 remains of Jews, allegedly buried there. That equals 10 times the Los Angeles Coliseum capacity shown here:
    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1348&t=1
    So actually show the claimed human remains?

    Re your reply to Rurik;
    You don’t get irony, do ya?

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  114. L.K says:
    @Anon

    - If there was ‘a plan to kill every Jew the Germans could get their hands on’ then why are there countless numbers of so called “survivor$”?
     
    If the plan of 9/11 was to kill everyone in the Twin Towers, then why did so many people survive?

    - If the alleged ‘holocaust’ was fact, then why are there laws in Europe to prevent scrutiny of it? What kind of “truth” needs to imprison people to prevent free speech?
     
    Non sequitur.

    Troll Anon: “If the plan of 9/11 was to kill everyone in the Twin Towers…”

    That was not the plan. Idiotic comparison.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Well said, L.K.

    Germany had all these "survivor$" in their grasp, but did not kill them, yet the scamming 'holocaust' lie is that 'the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on'

    Hey, Revisionists are just the messengers, the laughable impossible absurdity of the '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' is the message.

    Ouch! Hurts don't it, anon.

    Still owning you.

    "There's no business like shoah business".
    http://www.theculturalexperience.com/tour10008/battlefield-tours/the-holocaust-battlefield-tour.html?sid=8a5cae8924183e2279d7b2ca4ef8f90c


    Holocaust Tours
    Return flights from London, first class rail, 4 star hotels, buffet breakfast, 3-course dinner with drinks each evening, all entrance fees and expert guide throughout.
    Guide : Dr Waitman Beorn
    Tour price: £2095.00
    Single supplement: £245.00
    Deposit: £200.00
    Price without flights: £1945.00
    Selling fast
     
  115. mcohen says:

    One must remember that holocaust denial especially in the years to come serves the purpose of igniting a debate on something that could easily be forgotten about overtime.erased from the history books
    better to remember and educate new generations of young people who probably think ww2 stands for.. you want to.. wee wee to.
    especially the internet generation.

    True evil will seek to make the facts conviently disappear.

    A good example is the suicide bombing campaign carried out in israel against israeli civilians

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

    The list is frightening and hard to understand the sheer terror that israelis faced over a long period of time.
    Just try to imagine catching a bus everyday to work while knowing that it could be destroyed by a bomb at any moment.
    Yet very little is written about it in the news or on websites.i personally cannot recall an article about the suicide bombing campaign.
    In response israel built a wall.that you read about all the time.

    How many walls will be needed for peace to happen.

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    • Replies: @anon
    How will you react if someone comes to your house, kicks the doors, and uses your son or daughter as human shield then asks you to kneel down ? How will you feel if you find your house demolished? How will you react if you see your garden vandalized, your mosques burnt or destroyed and your access to water, streets and market are waylaid by soldiers waiting at the check points built on your property ?

    I guess you will think of Holocaust and move on with life.
    , @Art
    A good example is the suicide bombing campaign carried out in israel against israeli civilians

    We oppose all killing – with that said, the Israelis have it coming. They hate you – you deserve it.

    The Palestinian people throughout history have NOT been killers – you Jews have turned them – your evil has pushed them beyond human endurance. You Jews have squished their hope for normalcy.

    Jesus said “you reap what you sow” – we do not want to hear your whining – end of story.

    Peace --- Art
  116. L.K says:
    @Ronald Thomas West
    codoh groupies are losers. At some risk of violating my rule not to attract the attention of trolls (I don't know why 'Wallys' are tolerated here but it's not really my business) here's a somewhat different take on holocaust denial:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/01/29/holocaust-perversions-of-truth-western-mentality/

    ^ probably not pleasing to the either the neo-Nazi types or the hardline Israeli myth embracers

    You are the loser… clearly you also do not believe in free speech & inquiry.

    Morons such as yourself rarely can even articulate what the official holohoax version is…
    Let alone what the “evil deniers” are saying. Bet you never read one single book from the revisionist side of the hidden debate.

    BTW, the debate must be hidden from the masses because, at the intellectual level, the revisionists have already won… and the holohoaxters damn well know it!

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    • Replies: @Avery
    Stalingrad Schweinhunden fertilizer factory, December 1942.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad#/media/File:Stalingrad-dead_bodies.jpg

    Superb job, Ivan.
    On to Berlin.
  117. annamaria says:
    @mcohen
    Annie sprinkle

    Depleted uranium spreads.why would israel poison its own water and population
    Fake news links

    because of the rabid hatred towards the colonized native population?
    “Gaza Cancer Rates on Rise:” http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/03/cancer-rates-soar-gaza-war.html
    This is what your tribe has become:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11599932/New-Israeli-justice-minister-notorious-for-anti-Palestinian-rhetoric-given-bodyguard-after-Nazi-death-threats.html

    The use of DU against civilians by IDF should be added to the archives of Holocaust museums. Never again, indeed.

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    • Replies: @mcohen
    Al monitor...you kidding right.fake news specialist

    Report said "highly probable" or is it "probably high"

    Do not bother with reply.
  118. RobinG says:
    @Ronald Thomas West
    Good stuff on the Ukraine candy oligarch has his 'woman' at the DNC. Kinda slow getting there, it'd be nice if Stranahan could stay on point for 30 seconds. An aside, since he dropped Bannon's name, do you suppose he's aware Bannon associates with a cross-dresser? :D

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2017/02/18/steve-rosie-obannon/

    -

    “Kinda slow getting there… ” Quite a few people say that, but those of us interested in a broader picture disagree. There are conversations.

    ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH PERISCOPE ?
    This format seems to confuse the uninitiated. (Like, “why is X posing for the camera?” No, X is reading from a screen.) Lee, and other Periscopers, notify their subscribers, who then join a live stream and participate via text.

    “PERSUASION” MORE IMPORTANT THAN FACT
    You, or someone else, might like the analysis by Scott Adams. I find Adams sickly amoral , if not outright immoral, but also highly intelligent and perceptive. His forthcoming book should be of interest to students of propaganda.

    Coffee with Scott Adams – Chaos at CNN! Caught faking Russia narrative

    Steve Bannon was the only one among Trump’s circle who opposed the Tomahawk strike on Syria. You don’t allege pedophilia, snuff, etc. His private life is of no interest to me.

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    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
    Aside from the Bannon cross-dressing satire, I did give him credit for being against attacking Syria elsewhere. It's great to have conservatives in power from a point of view of satire, lampooning liberals was getting disgustingly old. Insofar as objecting to attacking Syria, Bannon missed his chance... he should have gone public with his resignation in protest over attacking a nation on false pretext, Sy Hersh has laid out the case Trump was informed and chose to ignore the intelligence. Bannon must've known that. The longer Bannon stays on in the hijacking of Trump's presidency, the more complicit and dirty he becomes.

    Propaganda techniques? Over at the holocaust denial thread, those guys are fluent:

    http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

    ^
  119. Avery says:
    @L.K
    You are the loser... clearly you also do not believe in free speech & inquiry.

    Morons such as yourself rarely can even articulate what the official holohoax version is...
    Let alone what the "evil deniers" are saying. Bet you never read one single book from the revisionist side of the hidden debate.

    BTW, the debate must be hidden from the masses because, at the intellectual level, the revisionists have already won... and the holohoaxters damn well know it!

    Stalingrad Schweinhunden fertilizer factory, December 1942.

    Superb job, Ivan.
    On to Berlin.

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  120. mcohen says:
    @annamaria
    because of the rabid hatred towards the colonized native population?
    "Gaza Cancer Rates on Rise:" http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/03/cancer-rates-soar-gaza-war.html
    This is what your tribe has become:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11599932/New-Israeli-justice-minister-notorious-for-anti-Palestinian-rhetoric-given-bodyguard-after-Nazi-death-threats.html
    The use of DU against civilians by IDF should be added to the archives of Holocaust museums. Never again, indeed.

    Al monitor…you kidding right.fake news specialist

    Report said “highly probable” or is it “probably high”

    Do not bother with reply.

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    • Replies: @anon
    In one stark example, ABC News’ Diane Sawyer misidentifies scenes of the aftermath of Israeli missile strikes in Gaza as destruction caused by Palestinian rocket fire.

    As Sawyer segues into the segment, she says, “We take you overseas now to the rockets raining down on Israel today as Israel tried to shoot them out of the sky.” Next to her is video footage not of Israelis or even Israel, but of Israeli airstrikes on Gaza. https://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/07/10/abc-news-tells-viewers-scenes-destruction-gaza-are-israel

    The western news about Israel are mostly fake news - it highlight the false achievement of Israel it ignores or refurbishes the Israeli atrocities
    It blames Gaza and Palestine .


    News even can call peaceful overture between Iran and America as antisemitism

    It can even say that not attacking Syria is an expression of antisemitism

    It one time said not attacking Iraq and not supporting Bush against Saddam were anti antisemitism.
    , @annamaria
    You are among the Holocaust lesson deniers. Live with that.
  121. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @mcohen
    One must remember that holocaust denial especially in the years to come serves the purpose of igniting a debate on something that could easily be forgotten about overtime.erased from the history books
    better to remember and educate new generations of young people who probably think ww2 stands for.. you want to.. wee wee to.
    especially the internet generation.

    True evil will seek to make the facts conviently disappear.

    A good example is the suicide bombing campaign carried out in israel against israeli civilians

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

    The list is frightening and hard to understand the sheer terror that israelis faced over a long period of time.
    Just try to imagine catching a bus everyday to work while knowing that it could be destroyed by a bomb at any moment.
    Yet very little is written about it in the news or on websites.i personally cannot recall an article about the suicide bombing campaign.
    In response israel built a wall.that you read about all the time.

    How many walls will be needed for peace to happen.

    How will you react if someone comes to your house, kicks the doors, and uses your son or daughter as human shield then asks you to kneel down ? How will you feel if you find your house demolished? How will you react if you see your garden vandalized, your mosques burnt or destroyed and your access to water, streets and market are waylaid by soldiers waiting at the check points built on your property ?

    I guess you will think of Holocaust and move on with life.

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  122. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @mcohen
    Al monitor...you kidding right.fake news specialist

    Report said "highly probable" or is it "probably high"

    Do not bother with reply.

    In one stark example, ABC News’ Diane Sawyer misidentifies scenes of the aftermath of Israeli missile strikes in Gaza as destruction caused by Palestinian rocket fire.

    As Sawyer segues into the segment, she says, “We take you overseas now to the rockets raining down on Israel today as Israel tried to shoot them out of the sky.” Next to her is video footage not of Israelis or even Israel, but of Israeli airstrikes on Gaza. https://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/07/10/abc-news-tells-viewers-scenes-destruction-gaza-are-israel

    The western news about Israel are mostly fake news – it highlight the false achievement of Israel it ignores or refurbishes the Israeli atrocities
    It blames Gaza and Palestine .

    News even can call peaceful overture between Iran and America as antisemitism

    It can even say that not attacking Syria is an expression of antisemitism

    It one time said not attacking Iraq and not supporting Bush against Saddam were anti antisemitism.

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    • Replies: @Z-man
    Tighten up/clean up the grammar*, make it even more forceful and then share this with as many sites as you can, good points/thoughts!
    * This comes from someone who makes many grammatical mistakes.
    Your humble servant,
    The Z-Man.
    (Grin)
    , @truthtellerAryan
    Wow anon, at last you're getting your facts right. You might not be a Ziocon I thought , just uninformed. What you wrote is exactly what we all find disgusting by the influence these few "shitty people" have on the Western world, USA, in particular.
  123. annamaria says:
    @mcohen
    Al monitor...you kidding right.fake news specialist

    Report said "highly probable" or is it "probably high"

    Do not bother with reply.

    You are among the Holocaust lesson deniers. Live with that.

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    to Ron unz

    I find this comment by commenter Annamarie a mistake.

    "You are among the Holocaust lesson deniers. Live with that."

    your site continues to support threats against Jews and Holocaust denial.you have been warned
  124. Wally says: • Website
    @L.K
    Troll Anon: "If the plan of 9/11 was to kill everyone in the Twin Towers..."

    That was not the plan. Idiotic comparison.

    Well said, L.K.

    Germany had all these “survivor$” in their grasp, but did not kill them, yet the scamming ‘holocaust’ lie is that ‘the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on

    Hey, Revisionists are just the messengers, the laughable impossible absurdity of the ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ is the message.

    Ouch! Hurts don’t it, anon.

    Still owning you.

    “There’s no business like shoah business”.

    http://www.theculturalexperience.com/tour10008/battlefield-tours/the-holocaust-battlefield-tour.html?sid=8a5cae8924183e2279d7b2ca4ef8f90c

    Holocaust Tours
    Return flights from London, first class rail, 4 star hotels, buffet breakfast, 3-course dinner with drinks each evening, all entrance fees and expert guide throughout.
    Guide : Dr Waitman Beorn
    Tour price: £2095.00
    Single supplement: £245.00
    Deposit: £200.00
    Price without flights: £1945.00
    Selling fast

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    • Replies: @mcohen
    1.wally have you ever met a holocaust survivor
    2.have you been to yad vashem.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Stop me if you heard this one: A Jewish couple were on a tour of holocaust sites. They had a fight one nite and the next day the husband refused to speak to his wife.Finally that nite he told his wife he was sorry admitting he behaved immaturely.
    His wife replied angrily "Now you're sorry? After you completely ruined Auschwitz??"
  125. @Avery
    Stalingrad Schweinhunden fertilizer factory, December 1942.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad#/media/File:Stalingrad-dead_bodies.jpg

    Superb job, Ivan.
    On to Berlin.

    “Schweinhund” is your favorite word, I take it?

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    • Replies: @Avery
    Yes.

    Comes in handy when having vigorous discussions with certain posters.
  126. The power of the cabal. In August 1982, I had just begun my sophomore year when a month later Sabra and Shatila genocide happened in Beirut. The next day, different student organizations set up booths at the main campus entrance (one of the top institutions in the land). As my girlfriend and I, and three other friends were walking to a café just outside the entrance, we noticed these booths, none of us were aware of the tragedy in Beirut. We never watched TV. Of course, it was shocking, and we got the same story from several booths that we visited. Then we saw a booth that was a little distant, separated from others and right before the entrance. When we approached the booth, I recognized three of the girls behind. There was a crowd of students shouting racist and hauling insults at the reps of this organization. I found out immediately that it was a Jewish student union, displayed were pictures and posters and book on the hollowfaux!!!!! The shouting was to shame them that they should be at the Palestinian student union to show solidarity with “fellow” victims.
    I was shocked at how organized the Zionists were and how quickly they wanted to shift the blame….

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  127. @Ronald Thomas West
    codoh groupies are losers. At some risk of violating my rule not to attract the attention of trolls (I don't know why 'Wallys' are tolerated here but it's not really my business) here's a somewhat different take on holocaust denial:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/01/29/holocaust-perversions-of-truth-western-mentality/

    ^ probably not pleasing to the either the neo-Nazi types or the hardline Israeli myth embracers

    the point is, whether by slave labor, starvation, bullet, mobile gas chamber or other means, the Nazis set out to exterminate Europe’s Jews

    Please provide compelling evidence to support the claim that “the Nazis set out to exterminate Europe’s Jews.”
    Neither Hollywood movies nor television programs are admissible as evidence.


    Just a thought:
    The vast majority of books, films and television programs about Nazis and holocaust are written or produced or directed by Jews or at very least made to conform to the Jewish narrative.

    That narrative holds that Jews were the ultimate victims of WWII. Indeed, as Prof David Engel insists, the capital aitch holocaust was the most unique event in history, in its victimization of Jews.

    Robert Cohen wrote that “Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited/

    So: If it is true that “History is written by the victors.”
    And if it is true, as noted above, Jews have written most of the history of WWII.
    And if it is also true, as noted above, that Jews were the ultimate victims of WWII,
    Then has there ever before in history been the situation where the ultimate victims were also the ultimate victors of a war?

    As Gideon Levy explained in a March, 2015, speech at the National Press Club, hosted by the Institute for Research on Middle East Policy (IRmep), the mental gymnastics that allow Jews/Israelis to be both the ultimate victims and the ultimate victors of WWII also “enables Israelis to live easily with the brutal reality of the occupation of Palestine” —>

    “The Israeli society has surrounded itself with shields, with walls, not only physical walls but also mental walls. . . . I’ll just give the three principles which enable us Israelis to live so easily with this brutal reality.
    A) Most of the Israelis, if not all of them, deeply believe that we are the chosen people. And if we are the chosen people, we have the right to do whatever we want.
    B) There were more brutal occupations in history. There were even longer occupations in history, even though the Israeli occupation gets to quite a nice record.
    But there was never in history an occupation in which the occupier presented himself as the victim—not only the victim, but the only victim around. This also enables any Israeli to live in peace, because we are the victims.

    In the other panel, Professor Falk spoke about the dual strategy of Israel, of being a victim on one hand and manipulating on the other hand

    http://israellobbyus.org/transcripts/4.2Gideon_Levy2.htm

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    • Replies: @L.K
    Hey Solonto,
    Thanks for your thoughtful post and interesting links.

    Isn't it something when we contrast what this fool, Robert Cohen, wrote, with the actual facts?
    R. Cohen states “ The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. "

    Is this true? Not even close! Much to the contrary...

    ..already in 1951, the Jew Léon Poliakov, who had been part of the French delegation at the Nuremberg show trials (1945-1946), stated his conclusion that we had at our disposal an overabundance of documents for all points of the history of the Third Reich, with the exception of one point alone: the “campaign to exterminate the Jews”. For this, he wrote, “No document remains, perhaps none has ever existed” (Bréviaire de la haine, Paris, Calmann-Lévy, 1974 [1951], p. 171; English version: Harvest of Hate, New York, Holocaust Library, 1979, revised and expanded edition)
     
    It is not just documentary evidence that is missing.. . it is also the material evidence which should be abundant, but in fact does not exist. For example:

    During an interview to the Canadian STAR, 27 December 2009, prominent Jewish holo “historian” and Auschwitz ‘expert’, Robert Jan van Pelt, stated:
    We have no material or forensic evidence to support eyewitness reports of gassings…
    Ninety-nine per cent of what we know we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove
    "

     

    What of the fact that key political and military Allied figures, such as Eisenhower, Churchill, de Gaulle and others, never mention the gas chamber atrocity propaganda in their memoirs?
    As Prof. Faurisson wrote:
    Three of the best known works on the Second World War are General Eisenhower’s Crusade in "Europe (New York: Doubleday [Country Life Press], 1948), Winston Churchill’s The Second World War (London: Cassell, 6 vols., 1948-1954), and the Mémoires de guerre of General de Gaulle (Paris: Plon, 3 vols., 1954-1959). In these three works not the least mention of Nazi gas chambers is to be found.
    Eisenhower’s Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill’s Second World War total 4,448 pages; and de Gaulle’s three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages. In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi “gas chambers,” a “genocide” of the Jews, or of “six million” Jewish victims of the war."
    , @Z-man
    Wow, when I first scanned by this post the Israeli speaker looked like Mubarak, the former head of Egypt. A righteous Jew.
    , @Rurik

    A) Most of the Israelis, if not all of them, deeply believe that we are the chosen people. And if we are the chosen people, we have the right to do whatever we want.
    B) There were more brutal occupations in history. There were even longer occupations in history, even though the Israeli occupation gets to quite a nice record.
    But there was never in history an occupation in which the occupier presented himself as the victim—not only the victim, but the only victim around.
     
    I remember the sense of shock and disbelief I felt when it finally sunk in that there really are people who consider themselves living gods strutting the planet, put here specifically by a Jehovah to 'live off the fat of the land' and lord it over the (four, and two legged) cattle, created by their 'god' to serve them.

    It was quite a startling epiphany, as it was contrary to everything I'd ever understood about us humans.

    The closest thing I had from my understanding was the way my Christian upbringing had informed me (erroneously as I'd later come to understand) that all animals were put here by God to benefit us humans. As vile as that wrong-headed absurdity is, to imagine that some people actually looked at other people! the way Christians looked at pigs and cows, was for me a brutal revelation. But it's true!, and that is exactly how many Jews are raised to look at all non-Jews - as two-legged animals, lacking even a soul- put here by their god to serve them.

    I still have a huge difficulty reconciling that fact to everything I know and understand and feel.

    It's just surreal. Incomprehensible, and I have to force my mind to accept it, because it just isn't within the realm of my sensibilities.

    “An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness.”

    ~ Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson
     
    Every year since 1978, a Presidential Proclamation has declared Schneerson’s birthday an official national day of observance.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/07/why-is-the-us-honoring-a-racist-rabbi/
  128. Avery says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    "Schweinhund" is your favorite word, I take it?

    Yes.

    Comes in handy when having vigorous discussions with certain posters.

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  129. L.K says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    the point is, whether by slave labor, starvation, bullet, mobile gas chamber or other means, the Nazis set out to exterminate Europe’s Jews
     
    Please provide compelling evidence to support the claim that "the Nazis set out to exterminate Europe's Jews."
    Neither Hollywood movies nor television programs are admissible as evidence.

    ---
    Just a thought:
    The vast majority of books, films and television programs about Nazis and holocaust are written or produced or directed by Jews or at very least made to conform to the Jewish narrative.

    That narrative holds that Jews were the ultimate victims of WWII. Indeed, as Prof David Engel insists, the capital aitch holocaust was the most unique event in history, in its victimization of Jews.

    Robert Cohen wrote that "Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited/ "

    So: If it is true that "History is written by the victors."
    And if it is true, as noted above, Jews have written most of the history of WWII.
    And if it is also true, as noted above, that Jews were the ultimate victims of WWII,
    Then has there ever before in history been the situation where the ultimate victims were also the ultimate victors of a war?

    As Gideon Levy explained in a March, 2015, speech at the National Press Club, hosted by the Institute for Research on Middle East Policy (IRmep), the mental gymnastics that allow Jews/Israelis to be both the ultimate victims and the ultimate victors of WWII also "enables Israelis to live easily with the brutal reality of the occupation of Palestine" --->


    "The Israeli society has surrounded itself with shields, with walls, not only physical walls but also mental walls. . . . I’ll just give the three principles which enable us Israelis to live so easily with this brutal reality.
    A) Most of the Israelis, if not all of them, deeply believe that we are the chosen people. And if we are the chosen people, we have the right to do whatever we want.
    B) There were more brutal occupations in history. There were even longer occupations in history, even though the Israeli occupation gets to quite a nice record.
    But there was never in history an occupation in which the occupier presented himself as the victim—not only the victim, but the only victim around. This also enables any Israeli to live in peace, because we are the victims.

    In the other panel, Professor Falk spoke about the dual strategy of Israel, of being a victim on one hand and manipulating on the other hand "

    http://israellobbyus.org/transcripts/4.2Gideon_Levy2.htm
     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFQWU0DtbGA

    Hey Solonto,
    Thanks for your thoughtful post and interesting links.

    Isn’t it something when we contrast what this fool, Robert Cohen, wrote, with the actual facts?
    R. Cohen states “ The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. ”

    Is this true? Not even close! Much to the contrary…

    ..already in 1951, the Jew Léon Poliakov, who had been part of the French delegation at the Nuremberg show trials (1945-1946), stated his conclusion that we had at our disposal an overabundance of documents for all points of the history of the Third Reich, with the exception of one point alone: the “campaign to exterminate the Jews”. For this, he wrote, “No document remains, perhaps none has ever existed” (Bréviaire de la haine, Paris, Calmann-Lévy, 1974 [1951], p. 171; English version: Harvest of Hate, New York, Holocaust Library, 1979, revised and expanded edition)

    It is not just documentary evidence that is missing.. . it is also the material evidence which should be abundant, but in fact does not exist. For example:

    During an interview to the Canadian STAR, 27 December 2009, prominent Jewish holo “historian” and Auschwitz ‘expert’, Robert Jan van Pelt, stated:
    We have no material or forensic evidence to support eyewitness reports of gassings…
    Ninety-nine per cent of what we know we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove

    What of the fact that key political and military Allied figures, such as Eisenhower, Churchill, de Gaulle and others, never mention the gas chamber atrocity propaganda in their memoirs?
    As Prof. Faurisson wrote:
    Three of the best known works on the Second World War are General Eisenhower’s Crusade in “Europe (New York: Doubleday [Country Life Press], 1948), Winston Churchill’s The Second World War (London: Cassell, 6 vols., 1948-1954), and the Mémoires de guerre of General de Gaulle (Paris: Plon, 3 vols., 1954-1959). In these three works not the least mention of Nazi gas chambers is to be found.
    Eisenhower’s Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill’s Second World War total 4,448 pages; and de Gaulle’s three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages. In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi “gas chambers,” a “genocide” of the Jews, or of “six million” Jewish victims of the war.

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    Perhaps even more interesting is
    Neufeld and Berenbaum, editors ‘The bombing of Auschwitz’, 2000, New York
    An appendix is a copy of the record of the end of 1944 Jerusalem meeting of the Jewish Agency, Ben Gurion chairman, the USA consul present.
    Discussed was the bombing of the Auschwitz KZ's, then possible from N Italy.
    The Auschwitz industries were already regularly bombed.
    It was decided that the KZ's should not be bombed 'jews might get killed'.
    , @Carroll Price
    The roll-out for the holocaust-fest (as we know it today) occurred during the early to mid 1990s, in conjunction with break-up of the old Soviet Union, which for the 1st time since WW 2 would allow access to long-alleged extermination camps and mass graves that subsequently failed to materialize.
  130. @L.K
    Hey Solonto,
    Thanks for your thoughtful post and interesting links.

    Isn't it something when we contrast what this fool, Robert Cohen, wrote, with the actual facts?
    R. Cohen states “ The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. "

    Is this true? Not even close! Much to the contrary...

    ..already in 1951, the Jew Léon Poliakov, who had been part of the French delegation at the Nuremberg show trials (1945-1946), stated his conclusion that we had at our disposal an overabundance of documents for all points of the history of the Third Reich, with the exception of one point alone: the “campaign to exterminate the Jews”. For this, he wrote, “No document remains, perhaps none has ever existed” (Bréviaire de la haine, Paris, Calmann-Lévy, 1974 [1951], p. 171; English version: Harvest of Hate, New York, Holocaust Library, 1979, revised and expanded edition)
     
    It is not just documentary evidence that is missing.. . it is also the material evidence which should be abundant, but in fact does not exist. For example:

    During an interview to the Canadian STAR, 27 December 2009, prominent Jewish holo “historian” and Auschwitz ‘expert’, Robert Jan van Pelt, stated:
    We have no material or forensic evidence to support eyewitness reports of gassings…
    Ninety-nine per cent of what we know we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove
    "

     

    What of the fact that key political and military Allied figures, such as Eisenhower, Churchill, de Gaulle and others, never mention the gas chamber atrocity propaganda in their memoirs?
    As Prof. Faurisson wrote:
    Three of the best known works on the Second World War are General Eisenhower’s Crusade in "Europe (New York: Doubleday [Country Life Press], 1948), Winston Churchill’s The Second World War (London: Cassell, 6 vols., 1948-1954), and the Mémoires de guerre of General de Gaulle (Paris: Plon, 3 vols., 1954-1959). In these three works not the least mention of Nazi gas chambers is to be found.
    Eisenhower’s Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill’s Second World War total 4,448 pages; and de Gaulle’s three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages. In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi “gas chambers,” a “genocide” of the Jews, or of “six million” Jewish victims of the war."

    Perhaps even more interesting is
    Neufeld and Berenbaum, editors ‘The bombing of Auschwitz’, 2000, New York
    An appendix is a copy of the record of the end of 1944 Jerusalem meeting of the Jewish Agency, Ben Gurion chairman, the USA consul present.
    Discussed was the bombing of the Auschwitz KZ’s, then possible from N Italy.
    The Auschwitz industries were already regularly bombed.
    It was decided that the KZ’s should not be bombed ‘jews might get killed’.

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  131. I would simply and dryly note that, my piece I’d referenced (#109) points to how the Jewish holocaust narrative buries ongoing, equally (or more) murderous events to anything claimed in regards to WWII and how it is the western leadership (includes Netanyahu) are hypocrites and in denial themselves, in that respect. If it were the purpose of hasbara to bury this aspect, jacques sheete (Jack Shit?), Rurik, L.K, & SolontoCroesus, not only Wally, serve the hasbara purpose well.

    Here’s my link again…

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/01/29/holocaust-perversions-of-truth-western-mentality/

    …where it is also (among other things) stated:

    “We are surrounded by holocaust. And led by holocaust deniers. Every one of those western democratic leaders attending the Auschwitz commemoration, is a holocaust denier. How is that? One word: “Congo”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d50SYyLqFNo

    ^ “around five million deaths”

    “How is it all of those ‘never again’ political personalities can attend the Auschwitz ceremony and in the same moment turn their backs on, or deny the fact, their economic institutions and national economies are mass murdering people across the world, through contemporary stock market value based on multi-national corporate neo-colonialism, of which Congo is the present-day poster child?”

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    how the Jewish holocaust narrative buries ongoing, equally (or more) murderous events to anything claimed in regards to WWII and how it is the western leadership (includes Netanyahu) are hypocrites and in denial themselves, in that respect. If it were the purpose of hasbara to bury this aspect, jacques sheete (Jack Shit?), Rurik, L.K, & SolontoCroesus, not only Wally, serve the hasbara purpose well.
     
    bullshit

    quite the contrary

    one of my main themes is the sickening hypocrisy of our kosher rulers

    but poor Ronald just can't resist his kneejerk antipathies and hardwired hostilities, even at the cost of his credibility.

    sad

  132. mcohen says:
    @Wally
    Well said, L.K.

    Germany had all these "survivor$" in their grasp, but did not kill them, yet the scamming 'holocaust' lie is that 'the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on'

    Hey, Revisionists are just the messengers, the laughable impossible absurdity of the '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' is the message.

    Ouch! Hurts don't it, anon.

    Still owning you.

    "There's no business like shoah business".
    http://www.theculturalexperience.com/tour10008/battlefield-tours/the-holocaust-battlefield-tour.html?sid=8a5cae8924183e2279d7b2ca4ef8f90c


    Holocaust Tours
    Return flights from London, first class rail, 4 star hotels, buffet breakfast, 3-course dinner with drinks each evening, all entrance fees and expert guide throughout.
    Guide : Dr Waitman Beorn
    Tour price: £2095.00
    Single supplement: £245.00
    Deposit: £200.00
    Price without flights: £1945.00
    Selling fast
     

    1.wally have you ever met a holocaust survivor
    2.have you been to yad vashem.

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  133. @Tha Philosopher
    Wally,

    The CIA and NSA are essentially the jewish elite secret police. They align exactly with Mossad. Hence 9-11.

    Read the Devil's Chessboard by Stephen Talbot. We've previoulsy lived under a gentile plutocracy since the assasination of JFK.

    But something happened since as Zion rose to prominence. The coup against Nixon by the Deep State is a part of the puzzle. Allen Welsh Dulles groomed Nixon. So his loyalists would never have removed him. My hunch is that Nixon's fall to the Washington Post, consummate deep state pillar, is the key to understanding the later 20th century and our current 'occupation'. Its a pity nobody could ask David Rockefeller in candour how his group had lost control or merged with the new Zionists.

    Game theory suggests high IQ psychopaths always come out top unless stopped by exile, murder or imprisonment - or each other. The jews have tribal affinity however and wouldn't take out each other usually.

    As the jews had taken over the media and academia, all the intrigue of the Corridors of Rome acts were hushed. Just like the Jews probably took over the Corridors of Rome in Constantine's time, hence his conversion.

    Tip of the iceberg indeed. I would be greatly appreciative if someone could speculate with a high IQ what happened post JFK. I find informed specualtion by very high VIQ types a lot more informative than aspergery point and click 'evidence' exercises.

    Your comments about the “corridors of Rome” reveal your stupidity. One could write paragraphs about your ignorance, but suffice it to say, you and those like you are why the USA is in such a catastrophic mess.

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  134. @RobinG
    "Kinda slow getting there... " Quite a few people say that, but those of us interested in a broader picture disagree. There are conversations.

    ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH PERISCOPE ?
    This format seems to confuse the uninitiated. (Like, "why is X posing for the camera?" No, X is reading from a screen.) Lee, and other Periscopers, notify their subscribers, who then join a live stream and participate via text.

    "PERSUASION" MORE IMPORTANT THAN FACT
    You, or someone else, might like the analysis by Scott Adams. I find Adams sickly amoral , if not outright immoral, but also highly intelligent and perceptive. His forthcoming book should be of interest to students of propaganda.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwiaemWSgAo
    Coffee with Scott Adams - Chaos at CNN! Caught faking Russia narrative

    Steve Bannon was the only one among Trump's circle who opposed the Tomahawk strike on Syria. You don't allege pedophilia, snuff, etc. His private life is of no interest to me.

    Aside from the Bannon cross-dressing satire, I did give him credit for being against attacking Syria elsewhere. It’s great to have conservatives in power from a point of view of satire, lampooning liberals was getting disgustingly old. Insofar as objecting to attacking Syria, Bannon missed his chance… he should have gone public with his resignation in protest over attacking a nation on false pretext, Sy Hersh has laid out the case Trump was informed and chose to ignore the intelligence. Bannon must’ve known that. The longer Bannon stays on in the hijacking of Trump’s presidency, the more complicit and dirty he becomes.

    Propaganda techniques? Over at the holocaust denial thread, those guys are fluent:

    http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

    ^

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  135. Erebus says:

    Sigh…. another Holocaust thread.

    Resisting the urge to re-engage, or to copy-paste myself, I’ll direct any interested to a food-fight I waded into with a confused fellow called Andrew E. Mathis. It starts here: http://www.unz.com/ldinh/flagless-germany/#comment-1192807, and goes on for some time, but Mathis’ screeds start well above that point.

    He follows the usual line… skating around the question of evidence, and tries all the tired old tricks so beloved of long time Holocaust promoters. Until they come up with at least one piece of forensic or documentary evidence, the question stands…

    Stripped of its “hard” claims, … how is a Holocaust without state mandated, systematically operated death camps, featuring gas chambers, diesel asphyxiations, mass executions / graves / cremations (and/or suitable variants thereof), different from an imaginary Holocaust, or indeed from no Holocaust at all?

    Well, I couldn’t resist a little copy-pasting, but nothing resembling evidence has surfaced (afaik), and so the tale of the Holocaust is but a fragment of tribal lore told by liars, full of guilt and anguish, justifying a toxic brew of barely hidden, socio-political agendas.

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    the Holocaust is but a fragment of tribal lore told by liars, full of guilt and anguish, justifying a toxic brew of barely hidden, socio-political agendas.
     
    I suspect, Erebus, that unlike their target audience, I doubt the purveyors of the Holocaust lore are capable of 'guilt and anguish". But I do suspect that it happened, just not like they say it did. Jews were persecuted for being Jews in Nazi Germany. If in no other way, then simply by the very wording of the Nuremburg laws, that specifically discriminated against Jews. (not that there weren't perhaps, sound reasons for doing so).

    When Hitler's Germany was being menaced by the Jewish, Bolsheviks who had taken over Russia as 'by the hair of the head', and were genociding the best of the Gentiles under its Satanic grip, Hitler declared to the world that if the Jews forced a world war, then there would be innocent Jews that suffered as a consequence. And indeed, that is exactly what happened. The big Zio-banker Jewish scum that forced the war, never gave a rip about those little Jews anyways. They were shop keeps or dentists, and the big Zio-Jews were perfectly happy to toss them under the bus to achieve their greater goals, (the destruction of Germany and the creation of Israel). But that many, many innocent Jews suffered and died as a result of that Satanic horror (WWII) that was imposed upon the planet by the demons at the International banking houses, seems to me as a fact of history.

    And that is what I call the Jewish Holocaust. The persecution and execution of innocent Jews, for no other crime than that they were Jews and possibly as such, enemies of Germany.

    In the US, we rounded up Japanese and put them into concentration camps. If the Japanese people wanted to give that period a name, and call it 'The Persecution', then I'd consider that just as valid as what the Jews of Germany suffered and calling it the Holocaust.

    The problem is that the very real Holocaust, (internment, persecution, some very horrible deaths by typhus or starvation or simply murder), have been exaggerated into a devil's myth and blood libel against the German people specifically and all Gentiles by extension.

    I consider it projection. I suspect that deep in the soul of many, many Jews, there lingers a will to see their enemies (all non-Jews) crushed and defeated and wiped out utterly, as their Old Testament god of wrath and vengeance and genocide is always harping on. And so as they lust for the German people to be exterminated from the planet, they project that desire onto the Germans (and all the rest of us)- because if they want it sooo bad, it's hardly improbable for them to imagine the sentiments being requited in return.

  136. @L.K
    Hey Solonto,
    Thanks for your thoughtful post and interesting links.

    Isn't it something when we contrast what this fool, Robert Cohen, wrote, with the actual facts?
    R. Cohen states “ The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. "

    Is this true? Not even close! Much to the contrary...

    ..already in 1951, the Jew Léon Poliakov, who had been part of the French delegation at the Nuremberg show trials (1945-1946), stated his conclusion that we had at our disposal an overabundance of documents for all points of the history of the Third Reich, with the exception of one point alone: the “campaign to exterminate the Jews”. For this, he wrote, “No document remains, perhaps none has ever existed” (Bréviaire de la haine, Paris, Calmann-Lévy, 1974 [1951], p. 171; English version: Harvest of Hate, New York, Holocaust Library, 1979, revised and expanded edition)
     
    It is not just documentary evidence that is missing.. . it is also the material evidence which should be abundant, but in fact does not exist. For example:

    During an interview to the Canadian STAR, 27 December 2009, prominent Jewish holo “historian” and Auschwitz ‘expert’, Robert Jan van Pelt, stated:
    We have no material or forensic evidence to support eyewitness reports of gassings…
    Ninety-nine per cent of what we know we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove
    "

     

    What of the fact that key political and military Allied figures, such as Eisenhower, Churchill, de Gaulle and others, never mention the gas chamber atrocity propaganda in their memoirs?
    As Prof. Faurisson wrote:
    Three of the best known works on the Second World War are General Eisenhower’s Crusade in "Europe (New York: Doubleday [Country Life Press], 1948), Winston Churchill’s The Second World War (London: Cassell, 6 vols., 1948-1954), and the Mémoires de guerre of General de Gaulle (Paris: Plon, 3 vols., 1954-1959). In these three works not the least mention of Nazi gas chambers is to be found.
    Eisenhower’s Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill’s Second World War total 4,448 pages; and de Gaulle’s three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages. In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi “gas chambers,” a “genocide” of the Jews, or of “six million” Jewish victims of the war."

    The roll-out for the holocaust-fest (as we know it today) occurred during the early to mid 1990s, in conjunction with break-up of the old Soviet Union, which for the 1st time since WW 2 would allow access to long-alleged extermination camps and mass graves that subsequently failed to materialize.

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  137. Rurik says:
    @Ronald Thomas West
    I would simply and dryly note that, my piece I'd referenced (#109) points to how the Jewish holocaust narrative buries ongoing, equally (or more) murderous events to anything claimed in regards to WWII and how it is the western leadership (includes Netanyahu) are hypocrites and in denial themselves, in that respect. If it were the purpose of hasbara to bury this aspect, jacques sheete (Jack Shit?), Rurik, L.K, & SolontoCroesus, not only Wally, serve the hasbara purpose well.

    Here's my link again...

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/01/29/holocaust-perversions-of-truth-western-mentality/

    ...where it is also (among other things) stated:

    "We are surrounded by holocaust. And led by holocaust deniers. Every one of those western democratic leaders attending the Auschwitz commemoration, is a holocaust denier. How is that? One word: “Congo”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d50SYyLqFNo

    ^ “around five million deaths”

    "How is it all of those ‘never again’ political personalities can attend the Auschwitz ceremony and in the same moment turn their backs on, or deny the fact, their economic institutions and national economies are mass murdering people across the world, through contemporary stock market value based on multi-national corporate neo-colonialism, of which Congo is the present-day poster child?"

    how the Jewish holocaust narrative buries ongoing, equally (or more) murderous events to anything claimed in regards to WWII and how it is the western leadership (includes Netanyahu) are hypocrites and in denial themselves, in that respect. If it were the purpose of hasbara to bury this aspect, jacques sheete (Jack Shit?), Rurik, L.K, & SolontoCroesus, not only Wally, serve the hasbara purpose well.

    bullshit

    quite the contrary

    one of my main themes is the sickening hypocrisy of our kosher rulers

    but poor Ronald just can’t resist his kneejerk antipathies and hardwired hostilities, even at the cost of his credibility.

    sad

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  138. Z-man says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    the point is, whether by slave labor, starvation, bullet, mobile gas chamber or other means, the Nazis set out to exterminate Europe’s Jews
     
    Please provide compelling evidence to support the claim that "the Nazis set out to exterminate Europe's Jews."
    Neither Hollywood movies nor television programs are admissible as evidence.

    ---
    Just a thought:
    The vast majority of books, films and television programs about Nazis and holocaust are written or produced or directed by Jews or at very least made to conform to the Jewish narrative.

    That narrative holds that Jews were the ultimate victims of WWII. Indeed, as Prof David Engel insists, the capital aitch holocaust was the most unique event in history, in its victimization of Jews.

    Robert Cohen wrote that "Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited/ "

    So: If it is true that "History is written by the victors."
    And if it is true, as noted above, Jews have written most of the history of WWII.
    And if it is also true, as noted above, that Jews were the ultimate victims of WWII,
    Then has there ever before in history been the situation where the ultimate victims were also the ultimate victors of a war?

    As Gideon Levy explained in a March, 2015, speech at the National Press Club, hosted by the Institute for Research on Middle East Policy (IRmep), the mental gymnastics that allow Jews/Israelis to be both the ultimate victims and the ultimate victors of WWII also "enables Israelis to live easily with the brutal reality of the occupation of Palestine" --->


    "The Israeli society has surrounded itself with shields, with walls, not only physical walls but also mental walls. . . . I’ll just give the three principles which enable us Israelis to live so easily with this brutal reality.
    A) Most of the Israelis, if not all of them, deeply believe that we are the chosen people. And if we are the chosen people, we have the right to do whatever we want.
    B) There were more brutal occupations in history. There were even longer occupations in history, even though the Israeli occupation gets to quite a nice record.
    But there was never in history an occupation in which the occupier presented himself as the victim—not only the victim, but the only victim around. This also enables any Israeli to live in peace, because we are the victims.

    In the other panel, Professor Falk spoke about the dual strategy of Israel, of being a victim on one hand and manipulating on the other hand "

    http://israellobbyus.org/transcripts/4.2Gideon_Levy2.htm
     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFQWU0DtbGA

    Wow, when I first scanned by this post the Israeli speaker looked like Mubarak, the former head of Egypt. A righteous Jew.

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  139. Z-man says:
    @anon
    In one stark example, ABC News’ Diane Sawyer misidentifies scenes of the aftermath of Israeli missile strikes in Gaza as destruction caused by Palestinian rocket fire.

    As Sawyer segues into the segment, she says, “We take you overseas now to the rockets raining down on Israel today as Israel tried to shoot them out of the sky.” Next to her is video footage not of Israelis or even Israel, but of Israeli airstrikes on Gaza. https://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/07/10/abc-news-tells-viewers-scenes-destruction-gaza-are-israel

    The western news about Israel are mostly fake news - it highlight the false achievement of Israel it ignores or refurbishes the Israeli atrocities
    It blames Gaza and Palestine .


    News even can call peaceful overture between Iran and America as antisemitism

    It can even say that not attacking Syria is an expression of antisemitism

    It one time said not attacking Iraq and not supporting Bush against Saddam were anti antisemitism.

    Tighten up/clean up the grammar*, make it even more forceful and then share this with as many sites as you can, good points/thoughts!
    * This comes from someone who makes many grammatical mistakes.
    Your humble servant,
    The Z-Man.
    (Grin)

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  140. Rurik says:
    @Erebus
    Sigh.... another Holocaust thread.

    Resisting the urge to re-engage, or to copy-paste myself, I'll direct any interested to a food-fight I waded into with a confused fellow called Andrew E. Mathis. It starts here: http://www.unz.com/ldinh/flagless-germany/#comment-1192807, and goes on for some time, but Mathis' screeds start well above that point.

    He follows the usual line... skating around the question of evidence, and tries all the tired old tricks so beloved of long time Holocaust promoters. Until they come up with at least one piece of forensic or documentary evidence, the question stands...

    Stripped of its “hard” claims, ... how is a Holocaust without state mandated, systematically operated death camps, featuring gas chambers, diesel asphyxiations, mass executions / graves / cremations (and/or suitable variants thereof), different from an imaginary Holocaust, or indeed from no Holocaust at all?
     
    Well, I couldn't resist a little copy-pasting, but nothing resembling evidence has surfaced (afaik), and so the tale of the Holocaust is but a fragment of tribal lore told by liars, full of guilt and anguish, justifying a toxic brew of barely hidden, socio-political agendas.

    the Holocaust is but a fragment of tribal lore told by liars, full of guilt and anguish, justifying a toxic brew of barely hidden, socio-political agendas.

    I suspect, Erebus, that unlike their target audience, I doubt the purveyors of the Holocaust lore are capable of ‘guilt and anguish”. But I do suspect that it happened, just not like they say it did. Jews were persecuted for being Jews in Nazi Germany. If in no other way, then simply by the very wording of the Nuremburg laws, that specifically discriminated against Jews. (not that there weren’t perhaps, sound reasons for doing so).

    When Hitler’s Germany was being menaced by the Jewish, Bolsheviks who had taken over Russia as ‘by the hair of the head’, and were genociding the best of the Gentiles under its Satanic grip, Hitler declared to the world that if the Jews forced a world war, then there would be innocent Jews that suffered as a consequence. And indeed, that is exactly what happened. The big Zio-banker Jewish scum that forced the war, never gave a rip about those little Jews anyways. They were shop keeps or dentists, and the big Zio-Jews were perfectly happy to toss them under the bus to achieve their greater goals, (the destruction of Germany and the creation of Israel). But that many, many innocent Jews suffered and died as a result of that Satanic horror (WWII) that was imposed upon the planet by the demons at the International banking houses, seems to me as a fact of history.

    And that is what I call the Jewish Holocaust. The persecution and execution of innocent Jews, for no other crime than that they were Jews and possibly as such, enemies of Germany.

    In the US, we rounded up Japanese and put them into concentration camps. If the Japanese people wanted to give that period a name, and call it ‘The Persecution’, then I’d consider that just as valid as what the Jews of Germany suffered and calling it the Holocaust.

    The problem is that the very real Holocaust, (internment, persecution, some very horrible deaths by typhus or starvation or simply murder), have been exaggerated into a devil’s myth and blood libel against the German people specifically and all Gentiles by extension.

    I consider it projection. I suspect that deep in the soul of many, many Jews, there lingers a will to see their enemies (all non-Jews) crushed and defeated and wiped out utterly, as their Old Testament god of wrath and vengeance and genocide is always harping on. And so as they lust for the German people to be exterminated from the planet, they project that desire onto the Germans (and all the rest of us)- because if they want it sooo bad, it’s hardly improbable for them to imagine the sentiments being requited in return.

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    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    You have indicated on more than one occasion that large numbers of Jews were murdered by the Nazis in a Holocaust (always capitalized). More than one holocaust researcher who spent months and years examining the holocaust story have stated that in their opinion not more than 300,000 Jews could have died during the WW 2 era from all causes, including illnesses and age old. In arriving at this figure it is my understanding that, among other data, they relied on European prewar and postwar census records, with the post-war numbers showing only a slight decrease in the number of Jews in Europe 10 years after the war. With at lest a significant amount of this decrease accounted for by large numbers of Jews immigrating to Israel and the US in particular. What are your thoughts on this? In your mind, what is a large number? Is 300,000 a large number, or are you thinking in millions etc? Thanks.
  141. Rurik says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    the point is, whether by slave labor, starvation, bullet, mobile gas chamber or other means, the Nazis set out to exterminate Europe’s Jews
     
    Please provide compelling evidence to support the claim that "the Nazis set out to exterminate Europe's Jews."
    Neither Hollywood movies nor television programs are admissible as evidence.

    ---
    Just a thought:
    The vast majority of books, films and television programs about Nazis and holocaust are written or produced or directed by Jews or at very least made to conform to the Jewish narrative.

    That narrative holds that Jews were the ultimate victims of WWII. Indeed, as Prof David Engel insists, the capital aitch holocaust was the most unique event in history, in its victimization of Jews.

    Robert Cohen wrote that "Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited/ "

    So: If it is true that "History is written by the victors."
    And if it is true, as noted above, Jews have written most of the history of WWII.
    And if it is also true, as noted above, that Jews were the ultimate victims of WWII,
    Then has there ever before in history been the situation where the ultimate victims were also the ultimate victors of a war?

    As Gideon Levy explained in a March, 2015, speech at the National Press Club, hosted by the Institute for Research on Middle East Policy (IRmep), the mental gymnastics that allow Jews/Israelis to be both the ultimate victims and the ultimate victors of WWII also "enables Israelis to live easily with the brutal reality of the occupation of Palestine" --->


    "The Israeli society has surrounded itself with shields, with walls, not only physical walls but also mental walls. . . . I’ll just give the three principles which enable us Israelis to live so easily with this brutal reality.
    A) Most of the Israelis, if not all of them, deeply believe that we are the chosen people. And if we are the chosen people, we have the right to do whatever we want.
    B) There were more brutal occupations in history. There were even longer occupations in history, even though the Israeli occupation gets to quite a nice record.
    But there was never in history an occupation in which the occupier presented himself as the victim—not only the victim, but the only victim around. This also enables any Israeli to live in peace, because we are the victims.

    In the other panel, Professor Falk spoke about the dual strategy of Israel, of being a victim on one hand and manipulating on the other hand "

    http://israellobbyus.org/transcripts/4.2Gideon_Levy2.htm
     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFQWU0DtbGA

    A) Most of the Israelis, if not all of them, deeply believe that we are the chosen people. And if we are the chosen people, we have the right to do whatever we want.
    B) There were more brutal occupations in history. There were even longer occupations in history, even though the Israeli occupation gets to quite a nice record.
    But there was never in history an occupation in which the occupier presented himself as the victim—not only the victim, but the only victim around.

    I remember the sense of shock and disbelief I felt when it finally sunk in that there really are people who consider themselves living gods strutting the planet, put here specifically by a Jehovah to ‘live off the fat of the land’ and lord it over the (four, and two legged) cattle, created by their ‘god’ to serve them.

    It was quite a startling epiphany, as it was contrary to everything I’d ever understood about us humans.

    The closest thing I had from my understanding was the way my Christian upbringing had informed me (erroneously as I’d later come to understand) that all animals were put here by God to benefit us humans. As vile as that wrong-headed absurdity is, to imagine that some people actually looked at other people! the way Christians looked at pigs and cows, was for me a brutal revelation. But it’s true!, and that is exactly how many Jews are raised to look at all non-Jews – as two-legged animals, lacking even a soul- put here by their god to serve them.

    I still have a huge difficulty reconciling that fact to everything I know and understand and feel.

    It’s just surreal. Incomprehensible, and I have to force my mind to accept it, because it just isn’t within the realm of my sensibilities.

    “An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness.”

    ~ Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson

    Every year since 1978, a Presidential Proclamation has declared Schneerson’s birthday an official national day of observance.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/07/why-is-the-us-honoring-a-racist-rabbi/

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  142. Hasbara trolls have all the bases covered. There’s no escape. Even the history quizzes on Facebook never fail to include at two or more questions relating to the holocaust.

    Typical questions with typical answer choices:

    How many Jews died as a result of being gassed or shot while confined to Nazis death camps in World War 2?
    A. 15
    B. 200
    C. 6 million
    D. 12

    What was the name of the Jewish girl who wrote a secret diary while hiding from Nazis officials?
    A. Julie Roberts
    B. Beyoncé
    C. Anne Frank
    D. Casey Anthony

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  143. druid says:
    @Mark Green
    Israel's global news penetration (via hasbara) and other disinformation strategies are routine. Diabolical, but routine.

    The Zionist state's various tricks and manipulations are legendary and ruthless. They function as a backdoor attack on intellectual liberty as well as open political discourse. They are anti-democratic.

    Thus, even 'freedom of expression' in America is under constant Israeli pressure and surveillance. No stone goes unturned.

    This is why Holocaust 'education' is ubiquitous and, when possible, mandatory. If the stories fail, inject guilt. It's an unscrupulous strategy that is working.

    Meanwhile, Zionist myths rain down endlessly via American TV and throughout American mass media. Deep Zionist victimology has penetrated even US public schools. Hasbara is strategic. It is unrelenting. Ironically, it represents the tribal interest of a foreign power. Do Americans live under soft occupation? It increasingly looks that way.

    This explains why Jewish suffering, Jewish innocence, and Jewish victimology are now compulsory subjects in American life--from schools to children's TV, to higher education and adult cinema. 'Dominare the message'.

    On the other hand, Israel's commitment to segregation between Jews and gentiles is quietly steadfast. ''Unshakable'. This head-scratching phenomena has been obscured by the Fake News meme involving America's 'Judeo-Christian' heritage. Yet it is an absolute ruse. No such heritage exists. These are Zionist-lead political movements and Zionist headlines. They tread on the thin, manufactured ice. Theydo not exist organically.

    Christ's teachings were in fact a break from Judaism. Christ said as much. Christianity is an Open Admissions theology that stresses universal ethics that are non-racial. On the other hand, Israel is tribal, racial and exclusionary. This wouldn't be so repulsive if not for Israel's vociferous (and insincere) support for 'equality' and its pious contempt for 'white nationalism'.

    Jewish racism is commanded by God. And Israel's ethical basis is polluted by nepotism, 'chosenness' and racial favoritism under God. It is a collection of myths and yarns that drip with tribal supremacism.

    It's worth remembering also that Jews in Israel have a distinct word for their version of 'Apartheid'. It is 'Hafrada', which means 'separation' in Hebrew. Ever heard of it? Of course not! Hasbara operatives and their cousins in US news media make sure of that.

    Sadly, we Americans live under soft occupation.

    Significantly, few non-Jews have ever heard of 'hafrada'. But everyone has heard of 'Apartheid'.
    Gee. How come?

    We can thank the legions of young Israeli activists (and their elders) for this deliberate omission and assorted side shows. Control speech. Control thought.

    Make no mistake about it: Israel is a racial supremacist state. Segregation is a core Zionist value. Jewish exceptionalism is their paramount goal. America is a useful, but temporary, ally. This is the nature of the 'special relationship.'

    Wow, excellently put! And so true.

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  144. druid says:
    @jacques sheete

    In 1948, thanks to the persecutions of the jews during WWII, Israel had a lot of sympathy in the world.
     
    Perhaps more accurately stated as alleged persecutions.

    Ii increasingly appears that much of the persecution that took place was done by the alleged victims. Look at what scum were at the center of the Bolshevik crimes, for instance. Funny how little we ever hear about that.

    I’ve been saying that for years. They were elitists who lorded it over their Polish countrymen in Poland. Looked down on every person in countries where they were allowed, took over financially with nepotism, dirty money business, etc., eventually pissing everybody off. They do this wherever they go, and then wonder…. while robbing the natives!!!!ny slight is called persecution and they cry and whine for millennia!

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  145. Art says:
    @mcohen
    One must remember that holocaust denial especially in the years to come serves the purpose of igniting a debate on something that could easily be forgotten about overtime.erased from the history books
    better to remember and educate new generations of young people who probably think ww2 stands for.. you want to.. wee wee to.
    especially the internet generation.

    True evil will seek to make the facts conviently disappear.

    A good example is the suicide bombing campaign carried out in israel against israeli civilians

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

    The list is frightening and hard to understand the sheer terror that israelis faced over a long period of time.
    Just try to imagine catching a bus everyday to work while knowing that it could be destroyed by a bomb at any moment.
    Yet very little is written about it in the news or on websites.i personally cannot recall an article about the suicide bombing campaign.
    In response israel built a wall.that you read about all the time.

    How many walls will be needed for peace to happen.

    A good example is the suicide bombing campaign carried out in israel against israeli civilians

    We oppose all killing – with that said, the Israelis have it coming. They hate you – you deserve it.

    The Palestinian people throughout history have NOT been killers – you Jews have turned them – your evil has pushed them beyond human endurance. You Jews have squished their hope for normalcy.

    Jesus said “you reap what you sow” – we do not want to hear your whining – end of story.

    Peace — Art

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  146. That Israel engages the the practices described above isn’t really news. Precisely because the whole thing is so transparent, though, they can’t be fooling many people! The Israelis, of course, have no monopoly on this. The Russians do much the same thing. According to Wikipedia, the St Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency employs about 400 people just to peddle pro-Putin propaganda. Once again, the thing is so transparent that I can’t imagine that anyone is fooled. The US, and no doubt, other countries, probably do the same thing. The secret is critical reading. Always ask yourself to whose advantage is it if you believe something and if the same author always seems to write to the advantage of the same party, the chances are you’re dealing with a propogandist. If the argument, regardless of the jargon it’s got up in, seems to contradict the author’s professed ideology, or that of the site, then you’re probably dealing with false flagging. Also, watch for “overkill”. An author who’s lying has one great fear, namely, that you’ll see through the scam. So he’ll often tie the thing up too neatly, so to speak, trying to block off the flaws in his argument. The truth usually isn’t “neat”. When an argument is too “convenient”, beware! Those are just a few of my experiences with the internet, which, in my experience, is a far greater purveyor of fake news and disinformation thatn the mainstream media.

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    • Replies: @anarchyst
    I must respectfully disagree with your premise that the internet has given rise to more fake news and disinformation than the so-called "mainstream media".
    I have been on this earth a great many years and have researched the so-called "mainstream media" news reports extensively, even in pre-internet days.
    The "mainstream media" has always been dishonest. One only has to witness the "skewing" of stories, in order to achieve an agenda.
    Imagine how things were when we only had three major news outlets...
    "Remember the Maine" from the Spanish American war was a powder magazine explosion--NOT an act of sabotage.
    Pulitzer's "yellow journalism" was possible only because the control of the flow of information was in a few hands.
    The deliberate whitewashing of the Soviet-engineered artificial famine in the Ukraine (Holodomor) while New York Times' "journalists" Walter Duranty and others were extolling the virtues of communism cannot go unnoticed.
    The deliberate and unprovoked Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was whitewashed as a case of "misidentification" rather than an act of war. It is interesting to note that on the 50th anniversary of the attack, NOT ONE MAINSTREAM MEDIA OUTLET had one word to say about this act of war. Normally, on a 50th anniversary of any event, the mainstream media commemorates it, even if only with a few lines of print.
    The 1968 Vietnam "Tet offensive" which was a decisive military victory for the South Vietnamese and American was turned into a defeat by none other than communist "anchorman" Walter Cronkite, who stated that it was a "defeat" for the Americans. In fact, his one statement prolonged the war for years, as North Vietnamese General Giap credited the American news media with giving them new resolve to fight on.
    Fast forward to NBC deliberately rigging GMC pickup trucks with fireworks to make them explode.
    Let's not forget the Trayvon Martin incident with NBC deliberately doctoring George Zimmerman's conversation with a 911 dispatcher to make him sound "racist" while identifying him as a "white Hispanic". Using Trayvon Martin's picture as a 12-year-old rather than his current "thug" picture rakes of journalistic malpractice.
    I could go on and on with examples of journalistic malpractice, but I trust that you can see the big picture.
    Yes, there is "fake news" and "misinformation" on the internet, but not to the degree that we have seen with the so-called "mainstream media".
    Anyone with half-a-brain can discern TRUTH for themselves. The "house of cards" that the mainstream media has created is about to fall apart.
    In fact, the internet has made it possible for ANYONE to be a true journalist, free of biased editorial control.
    The internet has made it possible to get many viewpoints across--not just those of our "media masters". THIS is one reason why the established media HATES the internet. It no longer has control over information.
    The internet has opened up true journalism to the masses.
  147. druid says:
    @Lot

    our articles are almost immediately inundated with hostile postings
     
    Giraldi you have a small audience and flatters yourself that Israel cares.

    And what your articles actually get "inundated with" in comments are Holocaust denial copypasta and other assorted crap like


    The CIA and NSA are essentially the jewish elite secret police. They align exactly with Mossad. Hence 9-11.
     
    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off? I bet you are scared to answer this question because you do not want to alienate so many of your fans.

    The numbers are way off!

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  148. anarchyst says:
    @Michael Kenny
    That Israel engages the the practices described above isn't really news. Precisely because the whole thing is so transparent, though, they can't be fooling many people! The Israelis, of course, have no monopoly on this. The Russians do much the same thing. According to Wikipedia, the St Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency employs about 400 people just to peddle pro-Putin propaganda. Once again, the thing is so transparent that I can't imagine that anyone is fooled. The US, and no doubt, other countries, probably do the same thing. The secret is critical reading. Always ask yourself to whose advantage is it if you believe something and if the same author always seems to write to the advantage of the same party, the chances are you're dealing with a propogandist. If the argument, regardless of the jargon it's got up in, seems to contradict the author's professed ideology, or that of the site, then you're probably dealing with false flagging. Also, watch for "overkill". An author who's lying has one great fear, namely, that you'll see through the scam. So he'll often tie the thing up too neatly, so to speak, trying to block off the flaws in his argument. The truth usually isn't "neat". When an argument is too "convenient", beware! Those are just a few of my experiences with the internet, which, in my experience, is a far greater purveyor of fake news and disinformation thatn the mainstream media.

    I must respectfully disagree with your premise that the internet has given rise to more fake news and disinformation than the so-called “mainstream media”.
    I have been on this earth a great many years and have researched the so-called “mainstream media” news reports extensively, even in pre-internet days.
    The “mainstream media” has always been dishonest. One only has to witness the “skewing” of stories, in order to achieve an agenda.
    Imagine how things were when we only had three major news outlets…
    “Remember the Maine” from the Spanish American war was a powder magazine explosion–NOT an act of sabotage.
    Pulitzer’s “yellow journalism” was possible only because the control of the flow of information was in a few hands.
    The deliberate whitewashing of the Soviet-engineered artificial famine in the Ukraine (Holodomor) while New York Times’ “journalists” Walter Duranty and others were extolling the virtues of communism cannot go unnoticed.
    The deliberate and unprovoked Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was whitewashed as a case of “misidentification” rather than an act of war. It is interesting to note that on the 50th anniversary of the attack, NOT ONE MAINSTREAM MEDIA OUTLET had one word to say about this act of war. Normally, on a 50th anniversary of any event, the mainstream media commemorates it, even if only with a few lines of print.
    The 1968 Vietnam “Tet offensive” which was a decisive military victory for the South Vietnamese and American was turned into a defeat by none other than communist “anchorman” Walter Cronkite, who stated that it was a “defeat” for the Americans. In fact, his one statement prolonged the war for years, as North Vietnamese General Giap credited the American news media with giving them new resolve to fight on.
    Fast forward to NBC deliberately rigging GMC pickup trucks with fireworks to make them explode.
    Let’s not forget the Trayvon Martin incident with NBC deliberately doctoring George Zimmerman’s conversation with a 911 dispatcher to make him sound “racist” while identifying him as a “white Hispanic”. Using Trayvon Martin’s picture as a 12-year-old rather than his current “thug” picture rakes of journalistic malpractice.
    I could go on and on with examples of journalistic malpractice, but I trust that you can see the big picture.
    Yes, there is “fake news” and “misinformation” on the internet, but not to the degree that we have seen with the so-called “mainstream media”.
    Anyone with half-a-brain can discern TRUTH for themselves. The “house of cards” that the mainstream media has created is about to fall apart.
    In fact, the internet has made it possible for ANYONE to be a true journalist, free of biased editorial control.
    The internet has made it possible to get many viewpoints across–not just those of our “media masters”. THIS is one reason why the established media HATES the internet. It no longer has control over information.
    The internet has opened up true journalism to the masses.

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  149. @anon
    In one stark example, ABC News’ Diane Sawyer misidentifies scenes of the aftermath of Israeli missile strikes in Gaza as destruction caused by Palestinian rocket fire.

    As Sawyer segues into the segment, she says, “We take you overseas now to the rockets raining down on Israel today as Israel tried to shoot them out of the sky.” Next to her is video footage not of Israelis or even Israel, but of Israeli airstrikes on Gaza. https://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/07/10/abc-news-tells-viewers-scenes-destruction-gaza-are-israel

    The western news about Israel are mostly fake news - it highlight the false achievement of Israel it ignores or refurbishes the Israeli atrocities
    It blames Gaza and Palestine .


    News even can call peaceful overture between Iran and America as antisemitism

    It can even say that not attacking Syria is an expression of antisemitism

    It one time said not attacking Iraq and not supporting Bush against Saddam were anti antisemitism.

    Wow anon, at last you’re getting your facts right. You might not be a Ziocon I thought , just uninformed. What you wrote is exactly what we all find disgusting by the influence these few “shitty people” have on the Western world, USA, in particular.

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  150. mcohen says:
    @annamaria
    You are among the Holocaust lesson deniers. Live with that.

    to Ron unz

    I find this comment by commenter Annamarie a mistake.

    “You are among the Holocaust lesson deniers. Live with that.”

    your site continues to support threats against Jews and Holocaust denial.you have been warned

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    • LOL: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @annamaria
    "...you have been warned"
    Are you an informant?

    The Holocaust museums' main slogan is "never again" and this "never again" was supposed to be for the whole humanity - not for any special ethnic group. People like you are the deniers of Holocaust lessons, one of which is that a war of aggression is the supreme crime against humanity. It is a Jewish tragedy that the US/UK Lobby has become not only very powerful but openly warmongering.

    , @truthtellerAryan
    See my comment on an actual experience in recent time, #130. That's just one example of total annihilation of a people. During the Bosnian genocide, the weasel( Eli?), found a platform to argue against calling it genocide, as the term had already been trademarked, and can only apply to "God's chosen". No one else can ever claim victimhood, its already taken. Palestinian children in Israeli prisons are terrorists. Throwing pebbles is more lethal than uzis, machine guns, F-16s, tanks, or any weapons poor defenseless Israelis have, torture and imprisonment and shoot to kill is the only option these poor victims have against the terrorists.
    Some terrible stuff happened in both world wars, but some of the numbers just don't add up.. Compare the 1982 Sabra and Shatila massacres, well documented, but the number of victims have already been shrunk to 460
    , @L.K
    zio mcohen to Mr. Unz:
    " your site continues to support threats against Jews and Holocaust denial.you have been warned"

    pfffHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Thanks for the laugh!
    , @annamaria
    Are you able to bear the truth?

    "Israel has granted a U.S. company the first licence to explore for oil and gas in the occupied Golan Heights... A local subsidiary of the New York-listed company Genie Energy — which is advised by former vice president Dick Cheney and whose shareholders include Jacob Rothschild and Rupert Murdoch — will now have exclusive rights to a 153-square mile radius in the southern part of the Golan Heights.
    That geographic location will likely prove controversial. Israel seized the Golan Heights in the Six-Day War in 1967 and annexed the territory in 1981. Its administration of the area — which is not recognised by international law — has been mostly peaceful until the Syrian civil war broke out 23 months ago. “This action is mostly political – it’s an attempt to deepen Israeli commitment to the occupied Golan Heights,” Israeli political analyst Yaron Ezrahi told FT. “The timing is directly related to the fact that the Syrian government is dealing with violence and chaos and is not free to deal with this problem.” https://www.businessinsider.com.au/israel-grants-golan-heights-oil-license-2013-2#AorvhlgY7US2W4JK.99

    The the same ziocon media sources that cannot stop castigating Russia for taking back Crimea AFTER POPULAR REFERENDUM (95.5% of Crimean voters backed joining Russia) have no problems with illegal annexation of Syrian Golan Heights by Israel. The presence of the US and Israel on Syrian territory is an act of aggression. What do Holocaust museums say about a war of aggression?

    80% of the US population are against US involvement in Syria. Who has been pulling the strings and making the US violate international law? Dick Cheney, Jacob Rothschild, Rupert Murdoch, and Netanyahu are such special democrats! They had their referendum of four - and voila, Israel has started dispensing the licenses "to explore for oil and gas in the occupied Golan Heights."

  151. annamaria says:
    @mcohen
    to Ron unz

    I find this comment by commenter Annamarie a mistake.

    "You are among the Holocaust lesson deniers. Live with that."

    your site continues to support threats against Jews and Holocaust denial.you have been warned

    “…you have been warned”
    Are you an informant?

    The Holocaust museums’ main slogan is “never again” and this “never again” was supposed to be for the whole humanity – not for any special ethnic group. People like you are the deniers of Holocaust lessons, one of which is that a war of aggression is the supreme crime against humanity. It is a Jewish tragedy that the US/UK Lobby has become not only very powerful but openly warmongering.

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    • Replies: @Rurik

    “…you have been warned”
     
    I'd love, love, love to know how many 'special people' have emailed Ron Unz and hissed their outrage and indignation (and no-doubt threats) that he curb his webzine's free speech policy - or else.

    too funny
  152. @Erebus

    I attribute this to a lack of resources and their fatalism that at this point, only the ground war and basic diplomacy matters in Syria. I mention this because Israel and the U.S. have chosen to dedicate a massive amount of resources to the Information War.
     
    I sorta disagree. Nobody can compete with Israelamerica's Mighty Wurlitzer, but it is plain that its voice is not projecting the way it used to. An increasing percentage of the world sees the chasm between its noise and the facts on the ground. I'd even say that Israelamerica's greatest strategic blunder has been to place the Wurlitzer at the centre of its Global Hegemon strategy. That sort of centre cannot hold when everything else is allowed to go to hell in a handbasket. And it has. Trump is evidence enough that its not holding on the home front, and the impending collapse of the (old) EU, the schisms in the ME, the SCO, ASEAN, BRICS, AIIB, etc indicate it's effect is breaking internationally. After "Fake News!", they're left with a hyper-destructive, but otherwise utterly incompetent military, and the Almighty Dollar System. Their best days are behind both of them.

    For their part, the Russians, no doubt noting that their resources were limited, rightly focused on that part of the world audience who can't be fooled all of the time. The success of RT (et al) is not in persuading "all of the people, all of the time", but persuading enough of them often enough to blunt the Wurlitzer's effect. That gave the Russians the political running room to put into effect what they're really good at - "the ground war and basic diplomacy". And not just in Syria, but domestically, in the Ukraine, in the ME and increasingly across Eurasia Moscow has become the go-to place to get problems solved. That's what's put a splinter in Israelamerica's brain.

    For myself, the biggest wonder today is that Russia is punching so effectively, so far above its weight. A nation of less than 150M people, with an economy barely into the top ten should have nowhere near the presence it has on the world stage. If there's an "exceptional nation" today, it's Russia.

    ,
    You know what, I think I’m wrong. I’ve just read yet another article on Russia and I can totally see why the Russians would just throw up their hands and conclude that it’s a waste of time / resources to bother with the Information War. I’m including a post I made in another place. Our Foreign Policy establishment has thoroughly brainwashed the U.S. public and most or Europe. I can see where Russia would conclude, ‘we’ll take care of the facts on the ground and either wait for the false narrative to collapse on its own or …’

    By Chris Chuba on MoonOfAlabama:
    This is about the Information War against Russia. I just had an ‘aha’ moment.
    The standard memes against Putin are well known but after reading this article, I only just now recognized the tactic of embedding them in scholarly, semi-flattering, expertly looking journals.

    https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017/05/seeing-russia-clearly/

    Russia is uniquely hated. Iran is casually dismissed as ‘number one sponsor of terrorism’. N. Korea is a rogue regime. China, growing rival (or ignored). Russia on the other hand has to be dissected to make it look like it was carefully studied and the author reluctantly came to these conclusions, ‘Russia didn’t have a liberal democratic tradition so of course they are ruled by a monster like Putin’.

    I’m kind of surprised I didn’t recognize this earlier. I’ll bet a steak dinner that these authors hated Russia a year before they wrote their first draft.

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    Well, they didn't just "throw up their hands". They created RT and others, which proved an effective rearguard action. RT became the most watched alt-news channel on U-tube and cable. That steered a great many people away from the All Lies, All the Time MSM and blunted their effect. Much of alt-media can trace their success to the fact that RT opened some doors of perception in the public's consciousness. Their success has reached the point where RT is publicly damned, and is operating under threats of closure in many Western countries.

    I view the apparent "hatred" as a form of psycho-justification for the real, existential threat Russia presents to the West's fundamental agenda - namely, Global Hegemony under Pax Americana. The Western elites have totally internalized that agenda as not only the best, but the only possible system for running an orderly world. A little more vaguely, so have their citizens.

    2o years ago, they thought they all but had the prize in hand. Today, while it remains the case that Russia is the only country that has veto power over that ambition in the form of its nuclear arsenal, it has also developed ambitions of its own in developing a multi-polar world. For western elites, a multi-polar world is equivalent to chaos. Or worse, it's a chaos they understand they can't profit from.

    What's worse, far worse, is that Russia has developed the diplomatic and military muscle to attract China to the multi-polar table. China, who the Western elites figured would be their ultimate cash cow, forever grateful to them for their truly great leap forward, is now firmly in the multi-polar camp. That is unforgivable. They believe they can reel China back in if they can just neuter Russia somehow.

    Frankly, I think they're right.
    , @Ace
    I despised the Soviet Union but even I no longer believe that the U.S.S.R. = = = = the Russian Federation. But I'm here to tell you there are plenty of people trying to sell that idea in the worst way, including FoxNews and some otherwise excellent people.

    Was French foreign policy still controlled by the Bourbons in 1815? Not many people think that but bunches seem to think the KGB is today alive and well in the person of V. Putin.

    Boy. Russia is on the march despite limited moves arguably outside its borders. Certainly limited compared to the international Chicken Man role played by the US - He's everywhere. He's everywhere.

    Russia for darn sure isn't waging aggressive, unconstitutional war in Syria like some people.
  153. Rurik says:
    @annamaria
    "...you have been warned"
    Are you an informant?

    The Holocaust museums' main slogan is "never again" and this "never again" was supposed to be for the whole humanity - not for any special ethnic group. People like you are the deniers of Holocaust lessons, one of which is that a war of aggression is the supreme crime against humanity. It is a Jewish tragedy that the US/UK Lobby has become not only very powerful but openly warmongering.

    “…you have been warned”

    I’d love, love, love to know how many ‘special people’ have emailed Ron Unz and hissed their outrage and indignation (and no-doubt threats) that he curb his webzine’s free speech policy - or else.

    too funny

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  154. @mcohen
    to Ron unz

    I find this comment by commenter Annamarie a mistake.

    "You are among the Holocaust lesson deniers. Live with that."

    your site continues to support threats against Jews and Holocaust denial.you have been warned

    See my comment on an actual experience in recent time, #130. That’s just one example of total annihilation of a people. During the Bosnian genocide, the weasel( Eli?), found a platform to argue against calling it genocide, as the term had already been trademarked, and can only apply to “God’s chosen”. No one else can ever claim victimhood, its already taken. Palestinian children in Israeli prisons are terrorists. Throwing pebbles is more lethal than uzis, machine guns, F-16s, tanks, or any weapons poor defenseless Israelis have, torture and imprisonment and shoot to kill is the only option these poor victims have against the terrorists.
    Some terrible stuff happened in both world wars, but some of the numbers just don’t add up.. Compare the 1982 Sabra and Shatila massacres, well documented, but the number of victims have already been shrunk to 460

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  155. @Rurik

    the Holocaust is but a fragment of tribal lore told by liars, full of guilt and anguish, justifying a toxic brew of barely hidden, socio-political agendas.
     
    I suspect, Erebus, that unlike their target audience, I doubt the purveyors of the Holocaust lore are capable of 'guilt and anguish". But I do suspect that it happened, just not like they say it did. Jews were persecuted for being Jews in Nazi Germany. If in no other way, then simply by the very wording of the Nuremburg laws, that specifically discriminated against Jews. (not that there weren't perhaps, sound reasons for doing so).

    When Hitler's Germany was being menaced by the Jewish, Bolsheviks who had taken over Russia as 'by the hair of the head', and were genociding the best of the Gentiles under its Satanic grip, Hitler declared to the world that if the Jews forced a world war, then there would be innocent Jews that suffered as a consequence. And indeed, that is exactly what happened. The big Zio-banker Jewish scum that forced the war, never gave a rip about those little Jews anyways. They were shop keeps or dentists, and the big Zio-Jews were perfectly happy to toss them under the bus to achieve their greater goals, (the destruction of Germany and the creation of Israel). But that many, many innocent Jews suffered and died as a result of that Satanic horror (WWII) that was imposed upon the planet by the demons at the International banking houses, seems to me as a fact of history.

    And that is what I call the Jewish Holocaust. The persecution and execution of innocent Jews, for no other crime than that they were Jews and possibly as such, enemies of Germany.

    In the US, we rounded up Japanese and put them into concentration camps. If the Japanese people wanted to give that period a name, and call it 'The Persecution', then I'd consider that just as valid as what the Jews of Germany suffered and calling it the Holocaust.

    The problem is that the very real Holocaust, (internment, persecution, some very horrible deaths by typhus or starvation or simply murder), have been exaggerated into a devil's myth and blood libel against the German people specifically and all Gentiles by extension.

    I consider it projection. I suspect that deep in the soul of many, many Jews, there lingers a will to see their enemies (all non-Jews) crushed and defeated and wiped out utterly, as their Old Testament god of wrath and vengeance and genocide is always harping on. And so as they lust for the German people to be exterminated from the planet, they project that desire onto the Germans (and all the rest of us)- because if they want it sooo bad, it's hardly improbable for them to imagine the sentiments being requited in return.

    You have indicated on more than one occasion that large numbers of Jews were murdered by the Nazis in a Holocaust (always capitalized). More than one holocaust researcher who spent months and years examining the holocaust story have stated that in their opinion not more than 300,000 Jews could have died during the WW 2 era from all causes, including illnesses and age old. In arriving at this figure it is my understanding that, among other data, they relied on European prewar and postwar census records, with the post-war numbers showing only a slight decrease in the number of Jews in Europe 10 years after the war. With at lest a significant amount of this decrease accounted for by large numbers of Jews immigrating to Israel and the US in particular. What are your thoughts on this? In your mind, what is a large number? Is 300,000 a large number, or are you thinking in millions etc? Thanks.

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    Is 300,000 a large number, or are you thinking in millions etc?
     
    big Jews forced the war on the world, little Jews suffered.

    I have no problem with the Nazis or anyone else killing Bolsheviks, Jew or otherwise. If they had killed ten or twenty or fifty million Bolsheviks, that’d be fine to my mind, and had I been alive back then, I’d like to think I might have killed my share. Bolsheviks are for killing, no matter the ethnicity.

    But innocent Jews did suffer, and so did innocent Germans and Russians and everyone else – because of the Satanic Zionist Jewish banksters. The same ones that are holding the world hostage today, and foisting their wars for fun and profit. If someone could kill them all, I’d be happy about it, and it has nothing to do with their ethnicity either.

    I don’t know how many Jews died in the Holocaust, (I capitalize it because it’s sort of a thing, and not just a word. Just like I capitalize the Holodomor). I doubt seriously it was anywhere near six millions, for lots of reasons, for instance the number of Jews alive before and after the war, and the Red Cross and many, many other sources which point to that number as absurd. But that Jews were rounded up and persecuted is not disputed as far as I know. And many died of typhus or were shot or other things, some of them no-doubt deserved it if they were disloyal to Germany, and were helping the enemies of Germany see her defeated and crushed.

    So for me it isn’t the numbers, it’s the uber-racism that was rampant in Nazi Germany and alienated to many of the world’s people. It was the hubris and arrogance of the Nazis that seemed to consider the Slavs as less than human and their lands as rightful war spoils. Maybe the Germans are a genetic leg up on other races in general, but reminding the other races of that is crass and makes enemies. So I have my issues with the Nazis, not least of which is what they brought down upon Germany. Which I put down to their arrogance. They disregarded the Americans as mongrels, and Hitler declared war on the US, thereby sealing the fate of so many Germans and others.

    [I know I'm rambling as I often do ; ]

    I suspect that the death of innocent Jews murdered by Nazis is far less than the number of innocent Gentiles murdered by the Jewish Bolsheviks, exponentially less in fact, but that doesn’t justify what the Nazis did to my mind. Also, for what it’s worth, I suspect the Nazis would have killed a nice Aryan fella like me, simply for being a free thinker, and telling all fascists to go pound sand. But then maybe not. IDK, I wasn’t there, and most of what you read about those days are lies.

    So, any Jews killed for being Jews = a terrible crime. Perhaps in the tens of thousands, perhaps in the hundreds of thousands or more. IDK.

    My main concern is not with the Holocaust or Holohoax of whatever you want to call it. I’m much more concerned with things like 9/11 and the fiends who perpetrated it, because I see them and their agenda as wanting to make this century look very much like the last century as far as wars and war crimes and horrors writ large go.

    So that’s my thang Carroll, for what it’s worth.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Yale prof. Tim Snyder has made a career (and probably a sizable chunk of cash) publishing two "unique" theories of WWII and the unique evil of Nazis. In "Bloodlands" he argued that the holocaust should be understood geographically, and that (in a leap of logic) Germans killed far more people, especially Jews, than did Stalin's Russians, who battled and killed in the same region.

    The core argument of Snyder's later and more interesting book, Black Earth, claims that Hitler's scheme to kill Jews centered on destroying the civil structures in the various places where Jews were killed.
    Implicit in Snyder's thesis is that Jews were killed by the native peoples of the those states and not directly by Germans, Nazis, or on Hitler's orders.

    Country*Approx # Jews Deceased*% of Country’s Jews Deceased
    Poland 2,900,000 88
    Lithuania 220,000 94
    Belorussia 245,000 65
    Ukraine 900,000 60
    Russia 107,000 11

    Hungary 450,000 70
    Romania 270,000 33
    Slovakia 71,000 80
    Yugoslavia 60,000 80
    Austria 50,000 36

    Germany 130,000 55*

    The Netherlands 106,000 76

    *NOTE: according to Rabbi Stephen Wise's autobiography, in 1933 there 587,000 Jews in Germany. Thus, 130,000 is 22%, not 55%, of German Jews.
    http://www.annefrankguide.net/en-US/bronnenbank.asp?oid=20747

    It appears that the places where most Jews died in WWII are places where:
    --> Jews had lived for a century or more;
    -->Wealth was inequitably distributed;
    --> Industrialization and prosperity competitive with Germany and Britain was absent -- on the whole, the places were economically and industrially backward;
    --> Representative government was flawed in concept or in practice;
    --> Jews held themselves apart from the larger population;
    --> Jews exerted disproportionate control over media/information, financial, and political affairs;
    --> Jews had at one time or another betrayed the host nation to an invading or adversarial entity.

    As Druid noted in #149:

    "They [Jews] were elitists who lorded it over their Polish countrymen in Poland. Looked down on every person in countries where they were allowed, took over financially with nepotism, dirty money business, etc., eventually pissing everybody off"
     
    Jews had lived in Poland, where the greatest number of Jews were (allegedly) killed, for over 700 years. Numerous journal publications have produced evidence that many Poles bore simmering resentments of Jews, most of whom did not speak Polish. Over 50 years after the war, New York Times acknowledged how these resentments expressed themselves; how ancient scores were settled:

    "On July 10, 1941, 1,600 Jews, nearly the entire Jewish population of the Polish village of Jedwabne, were murdered by their Polish neighbors. Some were hunted down and killed with clubs, axes and knives; most were herded into a barn and then burned alive. Although the slaughter was not a secret, publicly the Nazi occupiers were blamed. . . .

    But last May, Jan T. Gross, a historian at New York University, published ''Neighbors: The Destruction of the Jewish Community in Jedwabne'' in Poland. The book, . . . documents the massacre by Polish villagers in gruesome detail. In a country whose people think of themselves as wartime victims, not villains, it set off a storm of debate . . . .
    http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/17/arts/poles-and-the-jews-how-deep-the-guilt.html?pagewanted=all
     
    As many here at UnzForum might expect, NYTimes did not explore the centuries of abuses, petty and more significant, that Poles suffered at the hands of Jews in Polish society: the Times writer declared:

    "Some Poles have continued to deny Polish responsibility; most have tried to wrestle with the country's history of anti-Semitism and questions of collective guilt."
     
    --- which spotlights another characteristic of some, perhaps many, Jews: Jews defy Newton's law of motion-- no action of a Jew is ever causal in a reaction experienced by Jews. Never.



    Tim Snyder's thesis might have some logic: the war/wars in Europe sowed chaos that gave various native people the opportunity to collect payback for decades of real or perceived abuse by Jews. Tragically, the People of the Uncaused Cause simply are not equipped to introspect their role in this cycle. As long as the conveniently dead Hitler and the brutally brainwashed Germans continue to be defined -- and worse, to fail to resist the definition-- as the Ultimate Evil, and bear sole -- and unjust/unjustifiable responsibility for acts that Jews, themselves , together with their Willing non-Jewish Co-conspirators, set in motion and from which Jews benefited above all others, the situation that annamaria and Ronald Thomas West described will continue to occur: Holocause deniers will win.
    , @jilles dykstra
    As nobody has been able to explain who was a jew, during WWII, the number of jewish deaths cannot be known.
    The number of Auschwitz deaths over the years went up to four million, then down to 1.1 million.
    As Auschwitz was an important industrial centre, as even Elie Wiesel writes, maybe without knowing what he wrote, for synthetic rubber, Buna, oil and high octane aircraft fuel, one million does not seem impossible to me.
    Jews never could specify more than 3 million names of jews who died in WWII, even though nobody checks any name in the database.
    Armenians tried the same, thet came no further than fifteen thousand.
    The total number of German deaths in and because of WWII is some ten million.
    Jews use the failure of the Armenians for their failure to specify six million names.
  156. Rurik says:
    @Carroll Price
    You have indicated on more than one occasion that large numbers of Jews were murdered by the Nazis in a Holocaust (always capitalized). More than one holocaust researcher who spent months and years examining the holocaust story have stated that in their opinion not more than 300,000 Jews could have died during the WW 2 era from all causes, including illnesses and age old. In arriving at this figure it is my understanding that, among other data, they relied on European prewar and postwar census records, with the post-war numbers showing only a slight decrease in the number of Jews in Europe 10 years after the war. With at lest a significant amount of this decrease accounted for by large numbers of Jews immigrating to Israel and the US in particular. What are your thoughts on this? In your mind, what is a large number? Is 300,000 a large number, or are you thinking in millions etc? Thanks.

    Is 300,000 a large number, or are you thinking in millions etc?

    big Jews forced the war on the world, little Jews suffered.

    I have no problem with the Nazis or anyone else killing Bolsheviks, Jew or otherwise. If they had killed ten or twenty or fifty million Bolsheviks, that’d be fine to my mind, and had I been alive back then, I’d like to think I might have killed my share. Bolsheviks are for killing, no matter the ethnicity.

    But innocent Jews did suffer, and so did innocent Germans and Russians and everyone else – because of the Satanic Zionist Jewish banksters. The same ones that are holding the world hostage today, and foisting their wars for fun and profit. If someone could kill them all, I’d be happy about it, and it has nothing to do with their ethnicity either.

    I don’t know how many Jews died in the Holocaust, (I capitalize it because it’s sort of a thing, and not just a word. Just like I capitalize the Holodomor). I doubt seriously it was anywhere near six millions, for lots of reasons, for instance the number of Jews alive before and after the war, and the Red Cross and many, many other sources which point to that number as absurd. But that Jews were rounded up and persecuted is not disputed as far as I know. And many died of typhus or were shot or other things, some of them no-doubt deserved it if they were disloyal to Germany, and were helping the enemies of Germany see her defeated and crushed.

    So for me it isn’t the numbers, it’s the uber-racism that was rampant in Nazi Germany and alienated to many of the world’s people. It was the hubris and arrogance of the Nazis that seemed to consider the Slavs as less than human and their lands as rightful war spoils. Maybe the Germans are a genetic leg up on other races in general, but reminding the other races of that is crass and makes enemies. So I have my issues with the Nazis, not least of which is what they brought down upon Germany. Which I put down to their arrogance. They disregarded the Americans as mongrels, and Hitler declared war on the US, thereby sealing the fate of so many Germans and others.

    [I know I'm rambling as I often do ; ]

    I suspect that the death of innocent Jews murdered by Nazis is far less than the number of innocent Gentiles murdered by the Jewish Bolsheviks, exponentially less in fact, but that doesn’t justify what the Nazis did to my mind. Also, for what it’s worth, I suspect the Nazis would have killed a nice Aryan fella like me, simply for being a free thinker, and telling all fascists to go pound sand. But then maybe not. IDK, I wasn’t there, and most of what you read about those days are lies.

    So, any Jews killed for being Jews = a terrible crime. Perhaps in the tens of thousands, perhaps in the hundreds of thousands or more. IDK.

    My main concern is not with the Holocaust or Holohoax of whatever you want to call it. I’m much more concerned with things like 9/11 and the fiends who perpetrated it, because I see them and their agenda as wanting to make this century look very much like the last century as far as wars and war crimes and horrors writ large go.

    So that’s my thang Carroll, for what it’s worth.

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    The holocaust is a very important ideological basis for globalisation, thus also for the EU.
    Nationalism leads to fascism and gas chambers.
    , @Carroll Price
    I never fall into the trap (set by Jews) of capitalizing the word holocaust because, as a common noun, it's no different from thousands of others. Capitalizing common nouns is grammatically incorrect.
  157. L.K says:
    @mcohen
    to Ron unz

    I find this comment by commenter Annamarie a mistake.

    "You are among the Holocaust lesson deniers. Live with that."

    your site continues to support threats against Jews and Holocaust denial.you have been warned

    zio mcohen to Mr. Unz:
    ” your site continues to support threats against Jews and Holocaust denial.you have been warned”

    pfffHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Thanks for the laugh!

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  158. @Carroll Price
    You have indicated on more than one occasion that large numbers of Jews were murdered by the Nazis in a Holocaust (always capitalized). More than one holocaust researcher who spent months and years examining the holocaust story have stated that in their opinion not more than 300,000 Jews could have died during the WW 2 era from all causes, including illnesses and age old. In arriving at this figure it is my understanding that, among other data, they relied on European prewar and postwar census records, with the post-war numbers showing only a slight decrease in the number of Jews in Europe 10 years after the war. With at lest a significant amount of this decrease accounted for by large numbers of Jews immigrating to Israel and the US in particular. What are your thoughts on this? In your mind, what is a large number? Is 300,000 a large number, or are you thinking in millions etc? Thanks.

    Yale prof. Tim Snyder has made a career (and probably a sizable chunk of cash) publishing two “unique” theories of WWII and the unique evil of Nazis. In “Bloodlands” he argued that the holocaust should be understood geographically, and that (in a leap of logic) Germans killed far more people, especially Jews, than did Stalin’s Russians, who battled and killed in the same region.

    The core argument of Snyder’s later and more interesting book, Black Earth, claims that Hitler’s scheme to kill Jews centered on destroying the civil structures in the various places where Jews were killed.
    Implicit in Snyder’s thesis is that Jews were killed by the native peoples of the those states and not directly by Germans, Nazis, or on Hitler’s orders.

    Country*Approx # Jews Deceased*% of Country’s Jews Deceased
    Poland 2,900,000 88
    Lithuania 220,000 94
    Belorussia 245,000 65
    Ukraine 900,000 60
    Russia 107,000 11

    Hungary 450,000 70
    Romania 270,000 33
    Slovakia 71,000 80
    Yugoslavia 60,000 80
    Austria 50,000 36

    Germany 130,000 55*

    The Netherlands 106,000 76

    *NOTE: according to Rabbi Stephen Wise’s autobiography, in 1933 there 587,000 Jews in Germany. Thus, 130,000 is 22%, not 55%, of German Jews.

    http://www.annefrankguide.net/en-US/bronnenbank.asp?oid=20747

    It appears that the places where most Jews died in WWII are places where:
    –> Jews had lived for a century or more;
    –>Wealth was inequitably distributed;
    –> Industrialization and prosperity competitive with Germany and Britain was absent — on the whole, the places were economically and industrially backward;
    –> Representative government was flawed in concept or in practice;
    –> Jews held themselves apart from the larger population;
    –> Jews exerted disproportionate control over media/information, financial, and political affairs;
    –> Jews had at one time or another betrayed the host nation to an invading or adversarial entity.

    As Druid noted in #149:

    “They [Jews] were elitists who lorded it over their Polish countrymen in Poland. Looked down on every person in countries where they were allowed, took over financially with nepotism, dirty money business, etc., eventually pissing everybody off”

    Jews had lived in Poland, where the greatest number of Jews were (allegedly) killed, for over 700 years. Numerous journal publications have produced evidence that many Poles bore simmering resentments of Jews, most of whom did not speak Polish. Over 50 years after the war, New York Times acknowledged how these resentments expressed themselves; how ancient scores were settled:

    “On July 10, 1941, 1,600 Jews, nearly the entire Jewish population of the Polish village of Jedwabne, were murdered by their Polish neighbors. Some were hunted down and killed with clubs, axes and knives; most were herded into a barn and then burned alive. Although the slaughter was not a secret, publicly the Nazi occupiers were blamed. . . .

    But last May, Jan T. Gross, a historian at New York University, published ”Neighbors: The Destruction of the Jewish Community in Jedwabne” in Poland. The book, . . . documents the massacre by Polish villagers in gruesome detail. In a country whose people think of themselves as wartime victims, not villains, it set off a storm of debate . . . .

    http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/17/arts/poles-and-the-jews-how-deep-the-guilt.html?pagewanted=all

    As many here at UnzForum might expect, NYTimes did not explore the centuries of abuses, petty and more significant, that Poles suffered at the hands of Jews in Polish society: the Times writer declared:

    “Some Poles have continued to deny Polish responsibility; most have tried to wrestle with the country’s history of anti-Semitism and questions of collective guilt.”

    — which spotlights another characteristic of some, perhaps many, Jews: Jews defy Newton’s law of motion– no action of a Jew is ever causal in a reaction experienced by Jews. Never.

    Tim Snyder’s thesis might have some logic: the war/wars in Europe sowed chaos that gave various native people the opportunity to collect payback for decades of real or perceived abuse by Jews. Tragically, the People of the Uncaused Cause simply are not equipped to introspect their role in this cycle. As long as the conveniently dead Hitler and the brutally brainwashed Germans continue to be defined — and worse, to fail to resist the definition– as the Ultimate Evil, and bear sole — and unjust/unjustifiable responsibility for acts that Jews, themselves , together with their Willing non-Jewish Co-conspirators, set in motion and from which Jews benefited above all others, the situation that annamaria and Ronald Thomas West described will continue to occur: Holocause deniers will win.

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    Good post!

    Yes, there was a holocaust, and it happened in the war of all against all in N. Eastern Europe and was still going into the mid '50s in the Ukraine. The internecine violence was so blood curdling that German commanders wrote to parish priests and bishops asking them to restrain their parishioners.
    As for the numbers you cite, there were large migrations, both forced and voluntary, fleeing eastwards from the both the Germans and other locals. Many never returned, and many of those counted as "dead" had in fact relocated and then effectively disappeared when the Iron Curtain fell.

    Almost all of the preposterous Nuremberg "evidence", 1000s of pages, came from the Soviet Union without a trace of progeny, never mind a chain of custody. The Soviets had their hands full bringing those countries under control, and the last thing they needed was a prolonged series of retributions. So, the Germans were a convenient scapegoat that could be burdened with the whole of the diabolical blood orgy that took place in areas being incorporated into the Soviet Empire. The Brits and the US were happy to oblige. Of course, the vengeance the Soviets felt for the destruction the German invasion had visited on them played a role as well.
    Parenthetically, that is how the Crimean Tatars found themselves so far from home. They were evacuated for their own safety after the war because there were lot of people gunning for them for their crimes during the German invasion.

    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Yes, the history of Jewish and non-Jewish relations in Eastern Europe is far more complicated than the official cult of victimhood would have one believe.

    https://www.radioislam.org/thetruth/07poland.htm
  159. Erebus says:
    @Chris Chuba
    @Erebus,
    You know what, I think I'm wrong. I've just read yet another article on Russia and I can totally see why the Russians would just throw up their hands and conclude that it's a waste of time / resources to bother with the Information War. I'm including a post I made in another place. Our Foreign Policy establishment has thoroughly brainwashed the U.S. public and most or Europe. I can see where Russia would conclude, 'we'll take care of the facts on the ground and either wait for the false narrative to collapse on its own or ...'


    By Chris Chuba on MoonOfAlabama:
    This is about the Information War against Russia. I just had an 'aha' moment.
    The standard memes against Putin are well known but after reading this article, I only just now recognized the tactic of embedding them in scholarly, semi-flattering, expertly looking journals.
    https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017/05/seeing-russia-clearly/

    Russia is uniquely hated. Iran is casually dismissed as 'number one sponsor of terrorism'. N. Korea is a rogue regime. China, growing rival (or ignored). Russia on the other hand has to be dissected to make it look like it was carefully studied and the author reluctantly came to these conclusions, 'Russia didn't have a liberal democratic tradition so of course they are ruled by a monster like Putin'.

    I'm kind of surprised I didn't recognize this earlier. I'll bet a steak dinner that these authors hated Russia a year before they wrote their first draft.

     


     

     

    Well, they didn’t just “throw up their hands”. They created RT and others, which proved an effective rearguard action. RT became the most watched alt-news channel on U-tube and cable. That steered a great many people away from the All Lies, All the Time MSM and blunted their effect. Much of alt-media can trace their success to the fact that RT opened some doors of perception in the public’s consciousness. Their success has reached the point where RT is publicly damned, and is operating under threats of closure in many Western countries.

    I view the apparent “hatred” as a form of psycho-justification for the real, existential threat Russia presents to the West’s fundamental agenda – namely, Global Hegemony under Pax Americana. The Western elites have totally internalized that agenda as not only the best, but the only possible system for running an orderly world. A little more vaguely, so have their citizens.

    2o years ago, they thought they all but had the prize in hand. Today, while it remains the case that Russia is the only country that has veto power over that ambition in the form of its nuclear arsenal, it has also developed ambitions of its own in developing a multi-polar world. For western elites, a multi-polar world is equivalent to chaos. Or worse, it’s a chaos they understand they can’t profit from.

    What’s worse, far worse, is that Russia has developed the diplomatic and military muscle to attract China to the multi-polar table. China, who the Western elites figured would be their ultimate cash cow, forever grateful to them for their truly great leap forward, is now firmly in the multi-polar camp. That is unforgivable. They believe they can reel China back in if they can just neuter Russia somehow.

    Frankly, I think they’re right.

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    The US agenda to remove Assad has not been realized and its fall back effort to dismember Syria is likewise failing. E.g., al Tanf end run. Perhaps Israel will still insist we do its bidding there but that will be harder to do after ISIS is driven out.

    So I don't see Russia in danger of being reeled in. Tillerson is basically in double volte face mode, sanctions aren't working against Russia, and the laws of arithmetic are operating as we speak on pensions, bonds, and other forms of federal and state fiscal and policy excess. "What can't go on won't" eventually will be more that a wise saying.

    Putting Russia in its place will soon be the least of US concerns. These are watershed times and the flow is obviously not in the direction of US hegemony thanks be. Avoiding collapse is in our future in a big way.
  160. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Mark Green
    Israel's global news penetration (via hasbara) and other disinformation strategies are routine. Diabolical, but routine.

    The Zionist state's various tricks and manipulations are legendary and ruthless. They function as a backdoor attack on intellectual liberty as well as open political discourse. They are anti-democratic.

    Thus, even 'freedom of expression' in America is under constant Israeli pressure and surveillance. No stone goes unturned.

    This is why Holocaust 'education' is ubiquitous and, when possible, mandatory. If the stories fail, inject guilt. It's an unscrupulous strategy that is working.

    Meanwhile, Zionist myths rain down endlessly via American TV and throughout American mass media. Deep Zionist victimology has penetrated even US public schools. Hasbara is strategic. It is unrelenting. Ironically, it represents the tribal interest of a foreign power. Do Americans live under soft occupation? It increasingly looks that way.

    This explains why Jewish suffering, Jewish innocence, and Jewish victimology are now compulsory subjects in American life--from schools to children's TV, to higher education and adult cinema. 'Dominare the message'.

    On the other hand, Israel's commitment to segregation between Jews and gentiles is quietly steadfast. ''Unshakable'. This head-scratching phenomena has been obscured by the Fake News meme involving America's 'Judeo-Christian' heritage. Yet it is an absolute ruse. No such heritage exists. These are Zionist-lead political movements and Zionist headlines. They tread on the thin, manufactured ice. Theydo not exist organically.

    Christ's teachings were in fact a break from Judaism. Christ said as much. Christianity is an Open Admissions theology that stresses universal ethics that are non-racial. On the other hand, Israel is tribal, racial and exclusionary. This wouldn't be so repulsive if not for Israel's vociferous (and insincere) support for 'equality' and its pious contempt for 'white nationalism'.

    Jewish racism is commanded by God. And Israel's ethical basis is polluted by nepotism, 'chosenness' and racial favoritism under God. It is a collection of myths and yarns that drip with tribal supremacism.

    It's worth remembering also that Jews in Israel have a distinct word for their version of 'Apartheid'. It is 'Hafrada', which means 'separation' in Hebrew. Ever heard of it? Of course not! Hasbara operatives and their cousins in US news media make sure of that.

    Sadly, we Americans live under soft occupation.

    Significantly, few non-Jews have ever heard of 'hafrada'. But everyone has heard of 'Apartheid'.
    Gee. How come?

    We can thank the legions of young Israeli activists (and their elders) for this deliberate omission and assorted side shows. Control speech. Control thought.

    Make no mistake about it: Israel is a racial supremacist state. Segregation is a core Zionist value. Jewish exceptionalism is their paramount goal. America is a useful, but temporary, ally. This is the nature of the 'special relationship.'

    “Christianity is an Open Admissions theology that stresses universal ethics that are non-racial”

    Chee, who would have thunk that the christian west, by your definition above, is not christian at all.

    You learn something new everyday.

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  161. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Z-man
    The Power of the Cabal is almost omnipotent. Almost..
    ..In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, Amen.

    “In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, Amen”

    In other words, what you are essentially saying is; I am a deluded kook. Amen.

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  162. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Tha Philosopher
    And no, I don't believe Ron Unz in particular is a psychopath. Far from it. In much the same way, I don't think every black is a great athlete or every white is a high empathy person/sap.

    But if you studied the brains, which they have in Tavistock I assure you, I would strongly suspect that physiologically and neurologically, jews have 'psychopathic' brains - pronness to inert rage, deceptive personality, compulsive lying, low empathy, strival for domination, anti-social ideas of how the world should be.

    Put the brackets around the names and link their advice to the real world outcomes. Its uncanny.

    Evil seeks evil outcomes. That is the only way to tell evil. In the aesthetic of its intent.

    “jews have ‘psychopathic’ brains – pronness to inert rage, deceptive personality, compulsive lying, low empathy, strival for domination, anti-social ideas of how the world should be.”

    LOL! You just described the white elites perfectly. Unless you think hitler, stalin, churchill, etc., etc., where judens.

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    Someone's unclear about the concept of conditional information.
  163. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @biz
    This article is hilarious and ironic because with the substitution of a few words it is actually more-or-less accurately describing the boring and repetitive anti-Israel tripe that gets vomited all over the internet daily.

    - Flooding comment sections in a coordinated way with boilerplate talking points? Check.

    - Subtle and consistent problems with English indicating coordinated Iranian and Arab operations? Check.

    - Coordinated attempts to propaganda edit Wikipedia? Check.

    So yeah, with the substitution of 'Iran and Qatar' for 'Israel' and 'brainless idiot far-leftists the world over' for 'CAMERA' this would actually be some pretty good reporting.

    Thanks for that sir. Now, please proceed to collect your 5bucks, from that weirdo with the payot.

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  164. annamaria says:
    @mcohen
    to Ron unz

    I find this comment by commenter Annamarie a mistake.

    "You are among the Holocaust lesson deniers. Live with that."

    your site continues to support threats against Jews and Holocaust denial.you have been warned

    Are you able to bear the truth?

    “Israel has granted a U.S. company the first licence to explore for oil and gas in the occupied Golan Heights… A local subsidiary of the New York-listed company Genie Energy — which is advised by former vice president Dick Cheney and whose shareholders include Jacob Rothschild and Rupert Murdoch — will now have exclusive rights to a 153-square mile radius in the southern part of the Golan Heights.
    That geographic location will likely prove controversial. Israel seized the Golan Heights in the Six-Day War in 1967 and annexed the territory in 1981. Its administration of the area — which is not recognised by international law — has been mostly peaceful until the Syrian civil war broke out 23 months ago. “This action is mostly political – it’s an attempt to deepen Israeli commitment to the occupied Golan Heights,” Israeli political analyst Yaron Ezrahi told FT. “The timing is directly related to the fact that the Syrian government is dealing with violence and chaos and is not free to deal with this problem.” https://www.businessinsider.com.au/israel-grants-golan-heights-oil-license-2013-2#AorvhlgY7US2W4JK.99

    The the same ziocon media sources that cannot stop castigating Russia for taking back Crimea AFTER POPULAR REFERENDUM (95.5% of Crimean voters backed joining Russia) have no problems with illegal annexation of Syrian Golan Heights by Israel. The presence of the US and Israel on Syrian territory is an act of aggression. What do Holocaust museums say about a war of aggression?

    80% of the US population are against US involvement in Syria. Who has been pulling the strings and making the US violate international law? Dick Cheney, Jacob Rothschild, Rupert Murdoch, and Netanyahu are such special democrats! They had their referendum of four – and voila, Israel has started dispensing the licenses “to explore for oil and gas in the occupied Golan Heights.”

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  165. @Rurik


    Is 300,000 a large number, or are you thinking in millions etc?
     
    big Jews forced the war on the world, little Jews suffered.

    I have no problem with the Nazis or anyone else killing Bolsheviks, Jew or otherwise. If they had killed ten or twenty or fifty million Bolsheviks, that’d be fine to my mind, and had I been alive back then, I’d like to think I might have killed my share. Bolsheviks are for killing, no matter the ethnicity.

    But innocent Jews did suffer, and so did innocent Germans and Russians and everyone else – because of the Satanic Zionist Jewish banksters. The same ones that are holding the world hostage today, and foisting their wars for fun and profit. If someone could kill them all, I’d be happy about it, and it has nothing to do with their ethnicity either.

    I don’t know how many Jews died in the Holocaust, (I capitalize it because it’s sort of a thing, and not just a word. Just like I capitalize the Holodomor). I doubt seriously it was anywhere near six millions, for lots of reasons, for instance the number of Jews alive before and after the war, and the Red Cross and many, many other sources which point to that number as absurd. But that Jews were rounded up and persecuted is not disputed as far as I know. And many died of typhus or were shot or other things, some of them no-doubt deserved it if they were disloyal to Germany, and were helping the enemies of Germany see her defeated and crushed.

    So for me it isn’t the numbers, it’s the uber-racism that was rampant in Nazi Germany and alienated to many of the world’s people. It was the hubris and arrogance of the Nazis that seemed to consider the Slavs as less than human and their lands as rightful war spoils. Maybe the Germans are a genetic leg up on other races in general, but reminding the other races of that is crass and makes enemies. So I have my issues with the Nazis, not least of which is what they brought down upon Germany. Which I put down to their arrogance. They disregarded the Americans as mongrels, and Hitler declared war on the US, thereby sealing the fate of so many Germans and others.

    [I know I'm rambling as I often do ; ]

    I suspect that the death of innocent Jews murdered by Nazis is far less than the number of innocent Gentiles murdered by the Jewish Bolsheviks, exponentially less in fact, but that doesn’t justify what the Nazis did to my mind. Also, for what it’s worth, I suspect the Nazis would have killed a nice Aryan fella like me, simply for being a free thinker, and telling all fascists to go pound sand. But then maybe not. IDK, I wasn’t there, and most of what you read about those days are lies.

    So, any Jews killed for being Jews = a terrible crime. Perhaps in the tens of thousands, perhaps in the hundreds of thousands or more. IDK.

    My main concern is not with the Holocaust or Holohoax of whatever you want to call it. I’m much more concerned with things like 9/11 and the fiends who perpetrated it, because I see them and their agenda as wanting to make this century look very much like the last century as far as wars and war crimes and horrors writ large go.

    So that’s my thang Carroll, for what it’s worth.

    The holocaust is a very important ideological basis for globalisation, thus also for the EU.
    Nationalism leads to fascism and gas chambers.

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    Nationalism leads to fascism and gas chambers.
     
    huh?

    most people don't believe in the gas chambers myth anymore. If you study it, you'll find the evidence lacking.

    Also a certain amount of nationalism is prudent

    this is not only imprudent, it's suicidally insane

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/29/frankfurt-german-city-natives-minority/
    , @Ace
    Exactly. Exactly. The EU is premised on avoiding the "evils" of nationalism. What was the real cause of the mass slaughter of the '30s and '40s? Centralized totalitarian leftism (a redundancy).

    So...what is the defining characteristic of the EU? Centralized authoritarianism.

    What could go wrong? The morons of the EU defined the problem incorrectly from the start, though that was not an accident.

    The Timmermans and Rompuys of this world hate National Socialism but not international socialism, i.e., Soviet communism. I'm certainly unaware of any denunciation of it so it's not a leap to say that globalization resembles internationalism if you get my drift.
  166. @Carroll Price
    You have indicated on more than one occasion that large numbers of Jews were murdered by the Nazis in a Holocaust (always capitalized). More than one holocaust researcher who spent months and years examining the holocaust story have stated that in their opinion not more than 300,000 Jews could have died during the WW 2 era from all causes, including illnesses and age old. In arriving at this figure it is my understanding that, among other data, they relied on European prewar and postwar census records, with the post-war numbers showing only a slight decrease in the number of Jews in Europe 10 years after the war. With at lest a significant amount of this decrease accounted for by large numbers of Jews immigrating to Israel and the US in particular. What are your thoughts on this? In your mind, what is a large number? Is 300,000 a large number, or are you thinking in millions etc? Thanks.

    As nobody has been able to explain who was a jew, during WWII, the number of jewish deaths cannot be known.
    The number of Auschwitz deaths over the years went up to four million, then down to 1.1 million.
    As Auschwitz was an important industrial centre, as even Elie Wiesel writes, maybe without knowing what he wrote, for synthetic rubber, Buna, oil and high octane aircraft fuel, one million does not seem impossible to me.
    Jews never could specify more than 3 million names of jews who died in WWII, even though nobody checks any name in the database.
    Armenians tried the same, thet came no further than fifteen thousand.
    The total number of German deaths in and because of WWII is some ten million.
    Jews use the failure of the Armenians for their failure to specify six million names.

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  167. Erebus says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Yale prof. Tim Snyder has made a career (and probably a sizable chunk of cash) publishing two "unique" theories of WWII and the unique evil of Nazis. In "Bloodlands" he argued that the holocaust should be understood geographically, and that (in a leap of logic) Germans killed far more people, especially Jews, than did Stalin's Russians, who battled and killed in the same region.

    The core argument of Snyder's later and more interesting book, Black Earth, claims that Hitler's scheme to kill Jews centered on destroying the civil structures in the various places where Jews were killed.
    Implicit in Snyder's thesis is that Jews were killed by the native peoples of the those states and not directly by Germans, Nazis, or on Hitler's orders.

    Country*Approx # Jews Deceased*% of Country’s Jews Deceased
    Poland 2,900,000 88
    Lithuania 220,000 94
    Belorussia 245,000 65
    Ukraine 900,000 60
    Russia 107,000 11

    Hungary 450,000 70
    Romania 270,000 33
    Slovakia 71,000 80
    Yugoslavia 60,000 80
    Austria 50,000 36

    Germany 130,000 55*

    The Netherlands 106,000 76

    *NOTE: according to Rabbi Stephen Wise's autobiography, in 1933 there 587,000 Jews in Germany. Thus, 130,000 is 22%, not 55%, of German Jews.
    http://www.annefrankguide.net/en-US/bronnenbank.asp?oid=20747

    It appears that the places where most Jews died in WWII are places where:
    --> Jews had lived for a century or more;
    -->Wealth was inequitably distributed;
    --> Industrialization and prosperity competitive with Germany and Britain was absent -- on the whole, the places were economically and industrially backward;
    --> Representative government was flawed in concept or in practice;
    --> Jews held themselves apart from the larger population;
    --> Jews exerted disproportionate control over media/information, financial, and political affairs;
    --> Jews had at one time or another betrayed the host nation to an invading or adversarial entity.

    As Druid noted in #149:

    "They [Jews] were elitists who lorded it over their Polish countrymen in Poland. Looked down on every person in countries where they were allowed, took over financially with nepotism, dirty money business, etc., eventually pissing everybody off"
     
    Jews had lived in Poland, where the greatest number of Jews were (allegedly) killed, for over 700 years. Numerous journal publications have produced evidence that many Poles bore simmering resentments of Jews, most of whom did not speak Polish. Over 50 years after the war, New York Times acknowledged how these resentments expressed themselves; how ancient scores were settled:

    "On July 10, 1941, 1,600 Jews, nearly the entire Jewish population of the Polish village of Jedwabne, were murdered by their Polish neighbors. Some were hunted down and killed with clubs, axes and knives; most were herded into a barn and then burned alive. Although the slaughter was not a secret, publicly the Nazi occupiers were blamed. . . .

    But last May, Jan T. Gross, a historian at New York University, published ''Neighbors: The Destruction of the Jewish Community in Jedwabne'' in Poland. The book, . . . documents the massacre by Polish villagers in gruesome detail. In a country whose people think of themselves as wartime victims, not villains, it set off a storm of debate . . . .
    http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/17/arts/poles-and-the-jews-how-deep-the-guilt.html?pagewanted=all
     
    As many here at UnzForum might expect, NYTimes did not explore the centuries of abuses, petty and more significant, that Poles suffered at the hands of Jews in Polish society: the Times writer declared:

    "Some Poles have continued to deny Polish responsibility; most have tried to wrestle with the country's history of anti-Semitism and questions of collective guilt."
     
    --- which spotlights another characteristic of some, perhaps many, Jews: Jews defy Newton's law of motion-- no action of a Jew is ever causal in a reaction experienced by Jews. Never.



    Tim Snyder's thesis might have some logic: the war/wars in Europe sowed chaos that gave various native people the opportunity to collect payback for decades of real or perceived abuse by Jews. Tragically, the People of the Uncaused Cause simply are not equipped to introspect their role in this cycle. As long as the conveniently dead Hitler and the brutally brainwashed Germans continue to be defined -- and worse, to fail to resist the definition-- as the Ultimate Evil, and bear sole -- and unjust/unjustifiable responsibility for acts that Jews, themselves , together with their Willing non-Jewish Co-conspirators, set in motion and from which Jews benefited above all others, the situation that annamaria and Ronald Thomas West described will continue to occur: Holocause deniers will win.

    Good post!

    Yes, there was a holocaust, and it happened in the war of all against all in N. Eastern Europe and was still going into the mid ’50s in the Ukraine. The internecine violence was so blood curdling that German commanders wrote to parish priests and bishops asking them to restrain their parishioners.
    As for the numbers you cite, there were large migrations, both forced and voluntary, fleeing eastwards from the both the Germans and other locals. Many never returned, and many of those counted as “dead” had in fact relocated and then effectively disappeared when the Iron Curtain fell.

    Almost all of the preposterous Nuremberg “evidence”, 1000s of pages, came from the Soviet Union without a trace of progeny, never mind a chain of custody. The Soviets had their hands full bringing those countries under control, and the last thing they needed was a prolonged series of retributions. So, the Germans were a convenient scapegoat that could be burdened with the whole of the diabolical blood orgy that took place in areas being incorporated into the Soviet Empire. The Brits and the US were happy to oblige. Of course, the vengeance the Soviets felt for the destruction the German invasion had visited on them played a role as well.
    Parenthetically, that is how the Crimean Tatars found themselves so far from home. They were evacuated for their own safety after the war because there were lot of people gunning for them for their crimes during the German invasion.

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  168. @anonymous
    "jews have ‘psychopathic’ brains – pronness to inert rage, deceptive personality, compulsive lying, low empathy, strival for domination, anti-social ideas of how the world should be."

    LOL! You just described the white elites perfectly. Unless you think hitler, stalin, churchill, etc., etc., where judens.

    Someone’s unclear about the concept of conditional information.

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  169. @SolontoCroesus
    Yale prof. Tim Snyder has made a career (and probably a sizable chunk of cash) publishing two "unique" theories of WWII and the unique evil of Nazis. In "Bloodlands" he argued that the holocaust should be understood geographically, and that (in a leap of logic) Germans killed far more people, especially Jews, than did Stalin's Russians, who battled and killed in the same region.

    The core argument of Snyder's later and more interesting book, Black Earth, claims that Hitler's scheme to kill Jews centered on destroying the civil structures in the various places where Jews were killed.
    Implicit in Snyder's thesis is that Jews were killed by the native peoples of the those states and not directly by Germans, Nazis, or on Hitler's orders.

    Country*Approx # Jews Deceased*% of Country’s Jews Deceased
    Poland 2,900,000 88
    Lithuania 220,000 94
    Belorussia 245,000 65
    Ukraine 900,000 60
    Russia 107,000 11

    Hungary 450,000 70
    Romania 270,000 33
    Slovakia 71,000 80
    Yugoslavia 60,000 80
    Austria 50,000 36

    Germany 130,000 55*

    The Netherlands 106,000 76

    *NOTE: according to Rabbi Stephen Wise's autobiography, in 1933 there 587,000 Jews in Germany. Thus, 130,000 is 22%, not 55%, of German Jews.
    http://www.annefrankguide.net/en-US/bronnenbank.asp?oid=20747

    It appears that the places where most Jews died in WWII are places where:
    --> Jews had lived for a century or more;
    -->Wealth was inequitably distributed;
    --> Industrialization and prosperity competitive with Germany and Britain was absent -- on the whole, the places were economically and industrially backward;
    --> Representative government was flawed in concept or in practice;
    --> Jews held themselves apart from the larger population;
    --> Jews exerted disproportionate control over media/information, financial, and political affairs;
    --> Jews had at one time or another betrayed the host nation to an invading or adversarial entity.

    As Druid noted in #149:

    "They [Jews] were elitists who lorded it over their Polish countrymen in Poland. Looked down on every person in countries where they were allowed, took over financially with nepotism, dirty money business, etc., eventually pissing everybody off"
     
    Jews had lived in Poland, where the greatest number of Jews were (allegedly) killed, for over 700 years. Numerous journal publications have produced evidence that many Poles bore simmering resentments of Jews, most of whom did not speak Polish. Over 50 years after the war, New York Times acknowledged how these resentments expressed themselves; how ancient scores were settled:

    "On July 10, 1941, 1,600 Jews, nearly the entire Jewish population of the Polish village of Jedwabne, were murdered by their Polish neighbors. Some were hunted down and killed with clubs, axes and knives; most were herded into a barn and then burned alive. Although the slaughter was not a secret, publicly the Nazi occupiers were blamed. . . .

    But last May, Jan T. Gross, a historian at New York University, published ''Neighbors: The Destruction of the Jewish Community in Jedwabne'' in Poland. The book, . . . documents the massacre by Polish villagers in gruesome detail. In a country whose people think of themselves as wartime victims, not villains, it set off a storm of debate . . . .
    http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/17/arts/poles-and-the-jews-how-deep-the-guilt.html?pagewanted=all
     
    As many here at UnzForum might expect, NYTimes did not explore the centuries of abuses, petty and more significant, that Poles suffered at the hands of Jews in Polish society: the Times writer declared:

    "Some Poles have continued to deny Polish responsibility; most have tried to wrestle with the country's history of anti-Semitism and questions of collective guilt."
     
    --- which spotlights another characteristic of some, perhaps many, Jews: Jews defy Newton's law of motion-- no action of a Jew is ever causal in a reaction experienced by Jews. Never.



    Tim Snyder's thesis might have some logic: the war/wars in Europe sowed chaos that gave various native people the opportunity to collect payback for decades of real or perceived abuse by Jews. Tragically, the People of the Uncaused Cause simply are not equipped to introspect their role in this cycle. As long as the conveniently dead Hitler and the brutally brainwashed Germans continue to be defined -- and worse, to fail to resist the definition-- as the Ultimate Evil, and bear sole -- and unjust/unjustifiable responsibility for acts that Jews, themselves , together with their Willing non-Jewish Co-conspirators, set in motion and from which Jews benefited above all others, the situation that annamaria and Ronald Thomas West described will continue to occur: Holocause deniers will win.

    Yes, the history of Jewish and non-Jewish relations in Eastern Europe is far more complicated than the official cult of victimhood would have one believe.

    https://www.radioislam.org/thetruth/07poland.htm

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  170. @Rurik


    Is 300,000 a large number, or are you thinking in millions etc?
     
    big Jews forced the war on the world, little Jews suffered.

    I have no problem with the Nazis or anyone else killing Bolsheviks, Jew or otherwise. If they had killed ten or twenty or fifty million Bolsheviks, that’d be fine to my mind, and had I been alive back then, I’d like to think I might have killed my share. Bolsheviks are for killing, no matter the ethnicity.

    But innocent Jews did suffer, and so did innocent Germans and Russians and everyone else – because of the Satanic Zionist Jewish banksters. The same ones that are holding the world hostage today, and foisting their wars for fun and profit. If someone could kill them all, I’d be happy about it, and it has nothing to do with their ethnicity either.

    I don’t know how many Jews died in the Holocaust, (I capitalize it because it’s sort of a thing, and not just a word. Just like I capitalize the Holodomor). I doubt seriously it was anywhere near six millions, for lots of reasons, for instance the number of Jews alive before and after the war, and the Red Cross and many, many other sources which point to that number as absurd. But that Jews were rounded up and persecuted is not disputed as far as I know. And many died of typhus or were shot or other things, some of them no-doubt deserved it if they were disloyal to Germany, and were helping the enemies of Germany see her defeated and crushed.

    So for me it isn’t the numbers, it’s the uber-racism that was rampant in Nazi Germany and alienated to many of the world’s people. It was the hubris and arrogance of the Nazis that seemed to consider the Slavs as less than human and their lands as rightful war spoils. Maybe the Germans are a genetic leg up on other races in general, but reminding the other races of that is crass and makes enemies. So I have my issues with the Nazis, not least of which is what they brought down upon Germany. Which I put down to their arrogance. They disregarded the Americans as mongrels, and Hitler declared war on the US, thereby sealing the fate of so many Germans and others.

    [I know I'm rambling as I often do ; ]

    I suspect that the death of innocent Jews murdered by Nazis is far less than the number of innocent Gentiles murdered by the Jewish Bolsheviks, exponentially less in fact, but that doesn’t justify what the Nazis did to my mind. Also, for what it’s worth, I suspect the Nazis would have killed a nice Aryan fella like me, simply for being a free thinker, and telling all fascists to go pound sand. But then maybe not. IDK, I wasn’t there, and most of what you read about those days are lies.

    So, any Jews killed for being Jews = a terrible crime. Perhaps in the tens of thousands, perhaps in the hundreds of thousands or more. IDK.

    My main concern is not with the Holocaust or Holohoax of whatever you want to call it. I’m much more concerned with things like 9/11 and the fiends who perpetrated it, because I see them and their agenda as wanting to make this century look very much like the last century as far as wars and war crimes and horrors writ large go.

    So that’s my thang Carroll, for what it’s worth.

    I never fall into the trap (set by Jews) of capitalizing the word holocaust because, as a common noun, it’s no different from thousands of others. Capitalizing common nouns is grammatically incorrect.

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    well Carroll, as a repudiation of the sensationalization of an event that has been twisted and overblown to hysterical proportions, and cynically used to demonize the German people for perpetuity, as well as being used to genocide another people who had nothing to do with WWII, and to hold the Western world hostage for their "guilt", (for not having done enough) - I certainly respect your inclination.

    But there have been common nouns that have been characterized with capital letters once they've become associated with an event or events. American Revolution. War on Terrorism. Nakba. Civil War. The Cartel. World War I(I) etc..

    I capitalize it as a nod to those innocent Jews who died, not as a demonization of the German people, (as it's very often used), but rather as a homage of sorts to the innocents who died during that mass insanity. I just wish it included all the scores of millions who died so horribly. Germans and Eastern European refugees (fleeing the Red Army rapists) who were deliberately and horrifically burned alive in cities like Dresden (a literal holocaust). Women and girls who were so brutally savaged by the Red Army rapists. Russians and Poles and Ukrainians and Germans and French and so many others who died so horrifically or watched their loved ones ripped apart in that collective madness, imposed on the world by Zionist$ and their assorted Anglo and other stooges and opportunists, destroying Western civilization perhaps for all time.

    I just don't want to see it all happen again. The same fiends at the international banks are at it all again. This time they want a conflagration between an ascendant Russia and Eastern European NATO states. My agenda (even to the point of my Russian/Ukrainian "name" is dedicated to preventing that at all costs)

    , @Ace
    I have the same inclination but perhaps the best practice would be to speak of the Nazi Holicaust, the Soviet Holocaust, the Chinese Communist Holocaust, the Khmer Rouge Holocaust, and the Ottoman Holocaust.

    The implication that there was only one Holocaust is what frosts me.
  171. Rurik says:
    @jilles dykstra
    The holocaust is a very important ideological basis for globalisation, thus also for the EU.
    Nationalism leads to fascism and gas chambers.

    Nationalism leads to fascism and gas chambers.

    huh?

    most people don’t believe in the gas chambers myth anymore. If you study it, you’ll find the evidence lacking.

    Also a certain amount of nationalism is prudent

    this is not only imprudent, it’s suicidally insane

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/29/frankfurt-german-city-natives-minority/

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  172. Rurik says:
    @Carroll Price
    I never fall into the trap (set by Jews) of capitalizing the word holocaust because, as a common noun, it's no different from thousands of others. Capitalizing common nouns is grammatically incorrect.

    well Carroll, as a repudiation of the sensationalization of an event that has been twisted and overblown to hysterical proportions, and cynically used to demonize the German people for perpetuity, as well as being used to genocide another people who had nothing to do with WWII, and to hold the Western world hostage for their “guilt”, (for not having done enough) – I certainly respect your inclination.

    But there have been common nouns that have been characterized with capital letters once they’ve become associated with an event or events. American Revolution. War on Terrorism. Nakba. Civil War. The Cartel. World War I(I) etc..

    I capitalize it as a nod to those innocent Jews who died, not as a demonization of the German people, (as it’s very often used), but rather as a homage of sorts to the innocents who died during that mass insanity. I just wish it included all the scores of millions who died so horribly. Germans and Eastern European refugees (fleeing the Red Army rapists) who were deliberately and horrifically burned alive in cities like Dresden (a literal holocaust). Women and girls who were so brutally savaged by the Red Army rapists. Russians and Poles and Ukrainians and Germans and French and so many others who died so horrifically or watched their loved ones ripped apart in that collective madness, imposed on the world by Zionist$ and their assorted Anglo and other stooges and opportunists, destroying Western civilization perhaps for all time.

    I just don’t want to see it all happen again. The same fiends at the international banks are at it all again. This time they want a conflagration between an ascendant Russia and Eastern European NATO states. My agenda (even to the point of my Russian/Ukrainian “name” is dedicated to preventing that at all costs)

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    F.A.M.I.G.A.

    McCain & Neocons up DOD budget by $100 billion + Get ready for FAMIGA - F**k America, Make Israel Great Again
     
    CatherineAustinFitts @TheSolariReport
  173. RobinG says:
    @Rurik
    well Carroll, as a repudiation of the sensationalization of an event that has been twisted and overblown to hysterical proportions, and cynically used to demonize the German people for perpetuity, as well as being used to genocide another people who had nothing to do with WWII, and to hold the Western world hostage for their "guilt", (for not having done enough) - I certainly respect your inclination.

    But there have been common nouns that have been characterized with capital letters once they've become associated with an event or events. American Revolution. War on Terrorism. Nakba. Civil War. The Cartel. World War I(I) etc..

    I capitalize it as a nod to those innocent Jews who died, not as a demonization of the German people, (as it's very often used), but rather as a homage of sorts to the innocents who died during that mass insanity. I just wish it included all the scores of millions who died so horribly. Germans and Eastern European refugees (fleeing the Red Army rapists) who were deliberately and horrifically burned alive in cities like Dresden (a literal holocaust). Women and girls who were so brutally savaged by the Red Army rapists. Russians and Poles and Ukrainians and Germans and French and so many others who died so horrifically or watched their loved ones ripped apart in that collective madness, imposed on the world by Zionist$ and their assorted Anglo and other stooges and opportunists, destroying Western civilization perhaps for all time.

    I just don't want to see it all happen again. The same fiends at the international banks are at it all again. This time they want a conflagration between an ascendant Russia and Eastern European NATO states. My agenda (even to the point of my Russian/Ukrainian "name" is dedicated to preventing that at all costs)

    F.A.M.I.G.A.

    McCain & Neocons up DOD budget by $100 billion + Get ready for FAMIGA – F**k America, Make Israel Great Again

    CatherineAustinFitts @TheSolariReport

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    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Rurik
    https://solari.com/blog/

    interesting website Robin,

    thanks
  174. Eagle Eye says:
    @biz
    This article is hilarious and ironic because with the substitution of a few words it is actually more-or-less accurately describing the boring and repetitive anti-Israel tripe that gets vomited all over the internet daily.

    - Flooding comment sections in a coordinated way with boilerplate talking points? Check.

    - Subtle and consistent problems with English indicating coordinated Iranian and Arab operations? Check.

    - Coordinated attempts to propaganda edit Wikipedia? Check.

    So yeah, with the substitution of 'Iran and Qatar' for 'Israel' and 'brainless idiot far-leftists the world over' for 'CAMERA' this would actually be some pretty good reporting.

    with the substitution of a few words it is actually more-or-less accurately describing the boring and repetitive anti-Israel tripe that gets vomited all over the [I]nternet daily.

    There is one difference – the Qataris pay better.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    Having profound problems with the freedom of speech? - Then MSM is your best friend.
  175. Rurik says:
    @RobinG
    F.A.M.I.G.A.

    McCain & Neocons up DOD budget by $100 billion + Get ready for FAMIGA - F**k America, Make Israel Great Again
     
    CatherineAustinFitts @TheSolariReport

    https://solari.com/blog/

    interesting website Robin,

    thanks

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  176. annamaria says:
    @Eagle Eye

    with the substitution of a few words it is actually more-or-less accurately describing the boring and repetitive anti-Israel tripe that gets vomited all over the [I]nternet daily.
     
    There is one difference - the Qataris pay better.

    Having profound problems with the freedom of speech? – Then MSM is your best friend.

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  177. @Bragadocious
    Irish Central is not devoted to "Irish culture." Unless you mean by Irish culture relentless Trump bashing and left-wing agitprop. Their goal is an America with completely open borders and no deportations, in line with what Enda Kenny wants. So they are in fact pushing the Irish government's agenda while publishing content in NYC. A perfect case for FARA.

    I enjoy the site but don’t take the Trump-hate seriously. I’d like to ask O’Dowd if he really wants to see America continue to be swamped by third world immigrants,just so some Irish people,worthy as they may be,can live here illegally?
    I’d like to see MOAR Irish legal immigration. Someday,the Lord willing.

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    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    O'Dowd most certainly wants more Third World migrants. The Irish illegal immigrant lobby has gone all in on the amnesty project and is in complete cahoots with La Raza. (Their talking points are identical) As for Irish people, I'm not sure they're all that worthy. I'm descended from them, but the latest crop of migrants is left-wing, low-skilled, anti-American and of questionable value to the U.S. economy. Do we really need more bartenders and nannies with huge superiority complexes? I think we have enough of those folks, thanks very much.
  178. @Lot

    our articles are almost immediately inundated with hostile postings
     
    Giraldi you have a small audience and flatters yourself that Israel cares.

    And what your articles actually get "inundated with" in comments are Holocaust denial copypasta and other assorted crap like


    The CIA and NSA are essentially the jewish elite secret police. They align exactly with Mossad. Hence 9-11.
     
    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off? I bet you are scared to answer this question because you do not want to alienate so many of your fans.

    I kind of agree with Andrew Anglin:The ‘Caust never happened; it should have,but didn’t.

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  179. @Rurik

    You did not answer the question either.
     

    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off? I bet you are scared to answer this question...
     
    not me..

    there were *six million* Jews murdered during the Holocaust because the Nazis hated all non-Aryans and others who were different in any way, so the Jews were their primary victims (the only ones who matter) because the Jews were of a different religion, and were not Aryan. They were mostly gassed in homicidal gas chambers when they weren't being killed by 'eagles and bears', or experimented on where diabolical Nazi surgeons would sew their feet to where their hands were supposed to be for their sick and twisted amusement.

    The murdered Jews would then be tossed into ovens and the fat would pour out of the ovens and create inconvenient floods on the oven room floors, so the Nazis decided to solve this problem by using all the fat to make soap, that all Nazis used to keep clean. (Nazis were very hygienic)

    https://mattmulheran.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/marlonbnazi3.jpg

    oftentimes one particularly nasty Nazi gal would ride her horse into the Buchenwald barracks for women, and would make all the Jewish women undress so that she could see which ones had nice tattoos for making skin lampshades. (When Nazis weren't shrinking the heads of Jews for trinkets, they were all busy making lampshades out of their skin).

    The intention of the Holocaust was to genocide all Jews, including the ones they put on ships and sent West, and the ones they facilitated to move to Palestine and elsewhere. (this was just part of the sinister Nazi final solution by tricking the world into thinking that they simply wanted the Jews out of their lands)

    So let's recap. Six million. Not one soul less, mind you! (If you suggest otherwise you're a denier and a Nazi apologist! )

    Intention to completely exterminate the entire Jewish race, ur, I mean religion, from the planet. And the reason has NOTHING to do with anything that any Jews did or were doing! Every Jew that died in the Holocaust was murdered for simply being a Jew. (If you doubt that, you're a denier and a Nazi) The Jews (to a man and women) were absolutely innocent of everything, and every single one that died was a victim of Nazi genocidal hatred because they weren't Aryans. [the Nazis planed on killing everyone who wasn't a blond-haired, blue-eyed Aryan, except for a few Poles who they intended to be slaves]

    *The main thing to understand about the Holocaust is its place in human history as the singular most evil atrocity that has ever been committed. Bar none.*

    Compared to the Holocaust nothing matters. The slaughter of 60+ million non-Jewish souls in that mass-Jewish/banker/Zionist imposed European catastrophe are absolutely irrelevant. The (Jewish, Bolshevik imposed) mass starvation of millions of Ukrainians are of exactly zero consequence. When compared to the blame that all Gentiles carry for this crime, all other crimes are so inconsequential as to be not even worthy of mention. The US has a massive Holocaust museum to the Jewish victims of the Holocaust, (because we're just as guilty), but nothing for the Amerindians, who by comparison, don't matter one whit.

    That
    is the main lesson of the Holocaust. That it was the most consequential, monumental atrocity of all time - with nothing compared.. because it was, for lack of a better wording, the pure evil of sub-human goyim- who were put on earth to serve their Jewish betters, raising a hand to the chosen people of god!!

    It was like they tried to kill god himself, and for that, any attempt to describe the Holocaust as "a detail of history', is so beyond the Pale evil, that is just goes to show that we didn't manage to kill quite all the Nazis after the war was 'won'. Anyone who downplays the holy significance of the Holocaust- as the worst crime ever committed in the history of the world, are simply proving themselves to be reprobate Nazis, and should be treated the same way the world treated the Nazis (all Germans and Eastern Europeans who fought against the Soviets) after the war. When the righteous German government today imprisons 90 year old German grandmothers for their doubts about the Holocaust, they're simply showing god-like forbearance, because that grandmother deserves nothing less that what every Nazi got.

    there

    there's the narrative that will get you an A+ in America's high schools and universities.

    For extra credit you add: That evil racist Hitler hated Jews and blacks because “muh master race.”
    He walked out when Jesse Owens won his gold medal. The Jews loved Owens because equality.

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    That evil racist Hitler hated Jews and blacks because “muh master race.”
    He walked out when Jesse Owens won his gold medal. The Jews loved Owens because equality.
     

    letter of 14 March 1984 to the Director of West German ZDF television, former German athlete Waither Tripps protested the false report by a West German television network news announcer that Adolf Hitler did not publicly greet Owens because Owens was a Negro. Tripps was himself an outstanding relay runner at the 1936 Games. After sending his letter, Tripps further stated verbally that following the Games, Hitler invited all Olympic winners, including Owens, to a reception at the Reich Chancellory. Hitler personally congratulated and shook the hand of each winner, including Owens, who later confirmed this on several occasions. Following is the text of Tripps's letter:
    To the Director of the
    ZDF [Second German Television]
    Re: "Heute" ["Today"] news broadcast of 10 March 1984
    As part of his report on the unveiling of the "Jesse-Owens-Allee" street sign in front of the Berlin Olympic Stadium, your announcer made an absolutely untrue statement. He repeated the stupid lie that in 1936 Adolf Hitler refused to meet the incomparable, four-time Olympic winner Jesse Owens because of his skin color and Negro ancestry. It seems that the announcer sought to clearly emphasize the so-called race hatred indoctrination.

    This story is not just a fairy tale. It is a wretched lie. Today the truth is suppressed for presumably political reasons. But it will not die. There are too many contemporary witnesses. I am one of them.

    In fact, Adolf Hitler received and congratulated the German Olympic winners of the 1936 Games in the place of honor at the Olympic stadium. The 800,000 daily spectators, including many foreign visitors, enthusiastically applauded this. Dr. Gisela Mauermayer (now living in Munich), Tilly Fleischer-Grothe (now living in Lahr), Gerhard Stoeck (now living in Hamburg) and others were among those personally honored.

    It was also arranged to honor the outstanding and unforgettable Jesse Owens in this way as well. But at this point the President of the International Olympic Committee, Count Baillet-Latour, stopped Hitler's plan by pointing out that this practice conflicted with the Committee rules. The Count, however, had no objection to holding this kind of congratulatory reception in the Reich Chancellory.

    Dr. Karl Ritter von Halt, then President of the German National Olympic Committee and head of the German athletic association, later confirmed these facts at a meeting of the former members of the German team. I was one of those present at this meeting in Stuttgart with the unforgettable Ritter von Halt, which took place shortly after his release from the Soviet-run Sachsenhausen concentration camp. (Among others, actor Heinrich George and Reich Trainer – Dr. Nerz died there!) Also present were Borchmeyer (competitor in the final race against Owens, now living in Frankfurt), Blask, Hem. Tilly Fleischer, Dr. Gisela Mauermayer, Dr. Metzner, Hornberger, Stoeck, Syring, Dessecker, and many others. They are contemporary witnesses for fairness and truth.
    The facts will be published in the magazine of the "Former German Winners' Sports Club." As National Olympic Committee President Daume rightly stated during the ceremony in Berlin, honor belongs to those who deserve it. Microphone personalities who spread lies do not belong on the television screen!

    [signed]
    Walther Tripps

    To his credit, Jesse Owens himself never contributed to the myth-making. He repeatedly stressed the warmth of his reception in Germany and his happiness during those days in Berlin. But he couldn't prevent others from using him as a symbol, in life as well as in death, to slander Germany for motives of their own.

    Author(s) Mark Weber
    Title Jesse Owens: Myth and Reality, News and Comment
    Sources The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 5, no. 1 (spring 1984), pp. 123-125
    Contributions
     

    www.vho.org

    -----


    On the subject of German-Jewish athletes' participation in those Olympics, one noteworthy reaction was that of Victor Klemperer, cousin of the orchestral conductor Otto Klemperer. The son of a rabbi and husband of an Aryan, he spent the entire National-Socialist period, including the war years in Dresden, which he had to leave after the terrible Allied bombings of February 1945. In his private diary, under the date of August 13, 1936, he noted:[5]

    "I find the Olympic Games, which will soon be over, doubly repulsive. As an absurd over-estimation of sport; the honor of a people depends on whether one of its members jumps ten centimeters higher than the others. And besides, it's a nigger from the United States who has jumped the highest, and the silver medal in fencing for Germany has been taken by the Jewess Helene M[a]yer (I don't know what is more indecent, her participation as a German of the 3rd Reich or the fact that her performance should be claimed as a victory for the 3rd Reich.)"

    . . .
    It must be said that Victor Klemperer was fiercely anti-Zionist. For him, Zionism was "pure Nazism" and "repugnant."
    By Robert Faurisson [Holocaust Revisionist Historian]

     

  180. @Wally
    Well said, L.K.

    Germany had all these "survivor$" in their grasp, but did not kill them, yet the scamming 'holocaust' lie is that 'the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on'

    Hey, Revisionists are just the messengers, the laughable impossible absurdity of the '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' is the message.

    Ouch! Hurts don't it, anon.

    Still owning you.

    "There's no business like shoah business".
    http://www.theculturalexperience.com/tour10008/battlefield-tours/the-holocaust-battlefield-tour.html?sid=8a5cae8924183e2279d7b2ca4ef8f90c


    Holocaust Tours
    Return flights from London, first class rail, 4 star hotels, buffet breakfast, 3-course dinner with drinks each evening, all entrance fees and expert guide throughout.
    Guide : Dr Waitman Beorn
    Tour price: £2095.00
    Single supplement: £245.00
    Deposit: £200.00
    Price without flights: £1945.00
    Selling fast
     

    Stop me if you heard this one: A Jewish couple were on a tour of holocaust sites. They had a fight one nite and the next day the husband refused to speak to his wife.Finally that nite he told his wife he was sorry admitting he behaved immaturely.
    His wife replied angrily “Now you’re sorry? After you completely ruined Auschwitz??”

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  181. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Father O'Hara
    For extra credit you add: That evil racist Hitler hated Jews and blacks because "muh master race."
    He walked out when Jesse Owens won his gold medal. The Jews loved Owens because equality.

    That evil racist Hitler hated Jews and blacks because “muh master race.”
    He walked out when Jesse Owens won his gold medal. The Jews loved Owens because equality.

    letter of 14 March 1984 to the Director of West German ZDF television, former German athlete Waither Tripps protested the false report by a West German television network news announcer that Adolf Hitler did not publicly greet Owens because Owens was a Negro. Tripps was himself an outstanding relay runner at the 1936 Games. After sending his letter, Tripps further stated verbally that following the Games, Hitler invited all Olympic winners, including Owens, to a reception at the Reich Chancellory. Hitler personally congratulated and shook the hand of each winner, including Owens, who later confirmed this on several occasions. Following is the text of Tripps’s letter:
    To the Director of the
    ZDF [Second German Television]
    Re: “Heute” ["Today"] news broadcast of 10 March 1984
    As part of his report on the unveiling of the “Jesse-Owens-Allee” street sign in front of the Berlin Olympic Stadium, your announcer made an absolutely untrue statement. He repeated the stupid lie that in 1936 Adolf Hitler refused to meet the incomparable, four-time Olympic winner Jesse Owens because of his skin color and Negro ancestry. It seems that the announcer sought to clearly emphasize the so-called race hatred indoctrination.

    This story is not just a fairy tale. It is a wretched lie. Today the truth is suppressed for presumably political reasons. But it will not die. There are too many contemporary witnesses. I am one of them.

    In fact, Adolf Hitler received and congratulated the German Olympic winners of the 1936 Games in the place of honor at the Olympic stadium. The 800,000 daily spectators, including many foreign visitors, enthusiastically applauded this. Dr. Gisela Mauermayer (now living in Munich), Tilly Fleischer-Grothe (now living in Lahr), Gerhard Stoeck (now living in Hamburg) and others were among those personally honored.

    It was also arranged to honor the outstanding and unforgettable Jesse Owens in this way as well. But at this point the President of the International Olympic Committee, Count Baillet-Latour, stopped Hitler’s plan by pointing out that this practice conflicted with the Committee rules. The Count, however, had no objection to holding this kind of congratulatory reception in the Reich Chancellory.

    Dr. Karl Ritter von Halt, then President of the German National Olympic Committee and head of the German athletic association, later confirmed these facts at a meeting of the former members of the German team. I was one of those present at this meeting in Stuttgart with the unforgettable Ritter von Halt, which took place shortly after his release from the Soviet-run Sachsenhausen concentration camp. (Among others, actor Heinrich George and Reich Trainer – Dr. Nerz died there!) Also present were Borchmeyer (competitor in the final race against Owens, now living in Frankfurt), Blask, Hem. Tilly Fleischer, Dr. Gisela Mauermayer, Dr. Metzner, Hornberger, Stoeck, Syring, Dessecker, and many others. They are contemporary witnesses for fairness and truth.
    The facts will be published in the magazine of the “Former German Winners’ Sports Club.” As National Olympic Committee President Daume rightly stated during the ceremony in Berlin, honor belongs to those who deserve it. Microphone personalities who spread lies do not belong on the television screen!

    [signed]
    Walther Tripps

    To his credit, Jesse Owens himself never contributed to the myth-making. He repeatedly stressed the warmth of his reception in Germany and his happiness during those days in Berlin. But he couldn’t prevent others from using him as a symbol, in life as well as in death, to slander Germany for motives of their own.

    Author(s) Mark Weber
    Title Jesse Owens: Myth and Reality, News and Comment
    Sources The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 5, no. 1 (spring 1984), pp. 123-125
    Contributions

    http://www.vho.org

    —–

    On the subject of German-Jewish athletes’ participation in those Olympics, one noteworthy reaction was that of Victor Klemperer, cousin of the orchestral conductor Otto Klemperer. The son of a rabbi and husband of an Aryan, he spent the entire National-Socialist period, including the war years in Dresden, which he had to leave after the terrible Allied bombings of February 1945. In his private diary, under the date of August 13, 1936, he noted:[5]

    “I find the Olympic Games, which will soon be over, doubly repulsive. As an absurd over-estimation of sport; the honor of a people depends on whether one of its members jumps ten centimeters higher than the others. And besides, it’s a nigger from the United States who has jumped the highest, and the silver medal in fencing for Germany has been taken by the Jewess Helene M[a]yer (I don’t know what is more indecent, her participation as a German of the 3rd Reich or the fact that her performance should be claimed as a victory for the 3rd Reich.)

    . . .
    It must be said that Victor Klemperer was fiercely anti-Zionist. For him, Zionism was “pure Nazism” and “repugnant.”
    By Robert Faurisson [Holocaust Revisionist Historian]

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  182. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @RobinG
    [The perennial bickering over Israel will keep.]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEjZ5gI9GaM&t=8s
    UNREAL: The real election interference scandal HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT

    UNREAL: INCOMPREHENSIBLE The real election interference scandal HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT

    Exactly what IS the scandal that is STILL HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT?
    It took the guy 7 minutes to hint that the UNREAL scandal was something about Ukraine, I gather.
    20 minutes in, the guy has said, “Retweet this,” and “I’m throwing a lot of information at you” at least 3 times each, but it’s still not clear what he’s getting at.

    This guy’s a journalist?
    Journalism is not the best career choice for someone w/ ADHD.

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    You seem confused about the meaning of ADHD, which apparently describes you. Knock yourself out.

    Clinton/Soros color revolution in Kiev
    DNC
    Alexandra Chalupa
    UKRAINE accuses Manafort to aid Killary
    Crowdstrike blocks FBI investigation
    Trump is Pres.
    Ukraine retracts accusation

    Sorry you have no time for the proof. High school math must have been a killer.
  183. “I wasn’t invited to shake hands with Hitler, but I wasn’t invited to shake hands with the President either”. American sprinter and jumper, Jesse Owens who won four Gold Medals at the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin

    So, is the above quote true or false?

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    “I wasn’t invited to shake hands with Hitler, but I wasn’t invited to shake hands with the President either”. American sprinter and jumper, Jesse Owens who won four Gold Medals at the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin

    So, is the above quote true or false?

     

    “After Hitler had congratulated the Finnish and German medal winners on the first day of competition in his box, Henri de Ballet-Latour pointed out that such a gesture violated the Olympic protocol, whereupon Hitler did not congratulate any of the winners.”
    -Volker Ulrich p.564 ‘Hitler: Ascent 1889-1939.

    Time out! Here’s what loyal clubfoot Joe Göbbels reported from the inner sanctum 4 Aug ‘36:

    “We Germans won one gold medal, and the Americans three, two of them by a negro. That’s a scandal. White people should be ashamed. But what does it matter over there in that country without culture.”

    Further:

    “When Balder von Schirach suggested it would make an excellent impression abroad if Hitler were to receive Owens in the Chancellery, the dictator was outraged. “ Do you truly believe I will allow myself to be photographed shaking hands with a Negro?” Hitler yelled in Schirach’s face."

    Dolf was, after all, the consummate athlete and (without doubt) all shades of white. Never fear Aryans! The Führer exercised for hours to be able to faithfully return the legendary ‘Hitler Gruß.’ Took remarkable determination. Imagine the pain required to build that stamina. And - need one say it - courage.

    Well , that’s Dolf, isn’t it? No need to think about check-out time 30 Apr ‘45, brains on the bunker ceiling, and all that.
  184. Z-man says:
    @Lot

    our articles are almost immediately inundated with hostile postings
     
    Giraldi you have a small audience and flatters yourself that Israel cares.

    And what your articles actually get "inundated with" in comments are Holocaust denial copypasta and other assorted crap like


    The CIA and NSA are essentially the jewish elite secret police. They align exactly with Mossad. Hence 9-11.
     
    I am curious, are you a Holocaust skeptic? Complete denier or just think the numbers are way off? I bet you are scared to answer this question because you do not want to alienate so many of your fans.

    LOL!! I was gonna add my 3 cents but I see I’ve been beaten to the punch. Ok I’ll add to what L.K. said, Zio-Troll. LOL!!!

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  185. RobinG says:
    @anonymous

    UNREAL: INCOMPREHENSIBLE The real election interference scandal HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT
     
    Exactly what IS the scandal that is STILL HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT?
    It took the guy 7 minutes to hint that the UNREAL scandal was something about Ukraine, I gather.
    20 minutes in, the guy has said, "Retweet this," and "I'm throwing a lot of information at you" at least 3 times each, but it's still not clear what he's getting at.

    This guy's a journalist?
    Journalism is not the best career choice for someone w/ ADHD.

    You seem confused about the meaning of ADHD, which apparently describes you. Knock yourself out.

    Clinton/Soros color revolution in Kiev
    DNC
    Alexandra Chalupa
    UKRAINE accuses Manafort to aid Killary
    Crowdstrike blocks FBI investigation
    Trump is Pres.
    Ukraine retracts accusation

    Sorry you have no time for the proof. High school math must have been a killer.

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  186. @Father O'Hara
    I enjoy the site but don't take the Trump-hate seriously. I'd like to ask O'Dowd if he really wants to see America continue to be swamped by third world immigrants,just so some Irish people,worthy as they may be,can live here illegally?
    I'd like to see MOAR Irish legal immigration. Someday,the Lord willing.

    O’Dowd most certainly wants more Third World migrants. The Irish illegal immigrant lobby has gone all in on the amnesty project and is in complete cahoots with La Raza. (Their talking points are identical) As for Irish people, I’m not sure they’re all that worthy. I’m descended from them, but the latest crop of migrants is left-wing, low-skilled, anti-American and of questionable value to the U.S. economy. Do we really need more bartenders and nannies with huge superiority complexes? I think we have enough of those folks, thanks very much.

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    Some of the most liberal and racist, at the same time, people I have know have been muldoons. The definition of hypocrite! However I have also known many nice ones. (Grin)
  187. Z-man says:
    @Bragadocious
    O'Dowd most certainly wants more Third World migrants. The Irish illegal immigrant lobby has gone all in on the amnesty project and is in complete cahoots with La Raza. (Their talking points are identical) As for Irish people, I'm not sure they're all that worthy. I'm descended from them, but the latest crop of migrants is left-wing, low-skilled, anti-American and of questionable value to the U.S. economy. Do we really need more bartenders and nannies with huge superiority complexes? I think we have enough of those folks, thanks very much.

    Some of the most liberal and racist, at the same time, people I have know have been muldoons. The definition of hypocrite! However I have also known many nice ones. (Grin)

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  188. Given what has become of Israel with all this homomania, maybe it makes more sense to call it Sodomia.

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  189. Incitatus says:
    @Carroll Price
    “I wasn’t invited to shake hands with Hitler, but I wasn’t invited to shake hands with the President either”. American sprinter and jumper, Jesse Owens who won four Gold Medals at the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin

    So, is the above quote true or false?

    “I wasn’t invited to shake hands with Hitler, but I wasn’t invited to shake hands with the President either”. American sprinter and jumper, Jesse Owens who won four Gold Medals at the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin

    So, is the above quote true or false?

    “After Hitler had congratulated the Finnish and German medal winners on the first day of competition in his box, Henri de Ballet-Latour pointed out that such a gesture violated the Olympic protocol, whereupon Hitler did not congratulate any of the winners.”
    -Volker Ulrich p.564 ‘Hitler: Ascent 1889-1939.

    Time out! Here’s what loyal clubfoot Joe Göbbels reported from the inner sanctum 4 Aug ‘36:

    “We Germans won one gold medal, and the Americans three, two of them by a negro. That’s a scandal. White people should be ashamed. But what does it matter over there in that country without culture.”

    Further:

    “When Balder von Schirach suggested it would make an excellent impression abroad if Hitler were to receive Owens in the Chancellery, the dictator was outraged. “ Do you truly believe I will allow myself to be photographed shaking hands with a Negro?” Hitler yelled in Schirach’s face.”

    Dolf was, after all, the consummate athlete and (without doubt) all shades of white. Never fear Aryans! The Führer exercised for hours to be able to faithfully return the legendary ‘Hitler Gruß.’ Took remarkable determination. Imagine the pain required to build that stamina. And – need one say it – courage.

    Well , that’s Dolf, isn’t it? No need to think about check-out time 30 Apr ‘45, brains on the bunker ceiling, and all that.

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    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    Certainly at that time in history, few if any white men, let alone heads of Western states, would be caught shaking hands with a Negro. The fact that Hitler failed to do so means nothing when considering the fact that it simply wasn't done here in the US or anywhere else. Judging past events and actions by present standards which may or may not be superior to those of former generations is absurd.
  190. @Incitatus

    “I wasn’t invited to shake hands with Hitler, but I wasn’t invited to shake hands with the President either”. American sprinter and jumper, Jesse Owens who won four Gold Medals at the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin

    So, is the above quote true or false?

     

    “After Hitler had congratulated the Finnish and German medal winners on the first day of competition in his box, Henri de Ballet-Latour pointed out that such a gesture violated the Olympic protocol, whereupon Hitler did not congratulate any of the winners.”
    -Volker Ulrich p.564 ‘Hitler: Ascent 1889-1939.

    Time out! Here’s what loyal clubfoot Joe Göbbels reported from the inner sanctum 4 Aug ‘36:

    “We Germans won one gold medal, and the Americans three, two of them by a negro. That’s a scandal. White people should be ashamed. But what does it matter over there in that country without culture.”

    Further:

    “When Balder von Schirach suggested it would make an excellent impression abroad if Hitler were to receive Owens in the Chancellery, the dictator was outraged. “ Do you truly believe I will allow myself to be photographed shaking hands with a Negro?” Hitler yelled in Schirach’s face."

    Dolf was, after all, the consummate athlete and (without doubt) all shades of white. Never fear Aryans! The Führer exercised for hours to be able to faithfully return the legendary ‘Hitler Gruß.’ Took remarkable determination. Imagine the pain required to build that stamina. And - need one say it - courage.

    Well , that’s Dolf, isn’t it? No need to think about check-out time 30 Apr ‘45, brains on the bunker ceiling, and all that.

    Certainly at that time in history, few if any white men, let alone heads of Western states, would be caught shaking hands with a Negro. The fact that Hitler failed to do so means nothing when considering the fact that it simply wasn’t done here in the US or anywhere else. Judging past events and actions by present standards which may or may not be superior to those of former generations is absurd.

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    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @L.K
    Hi Carroll,

    You make the correct point that one should avoid "Judging past events and actions by present standards".

    Beyond that, there is the problem that much of what we hear is just BS.

    http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/571
    Adolf Hitler, Jesse Owens and the Olympics Myth of 1936

    Not only was Owens not rebuffed by Hitler, Owens wasn't shunned by the German audience at the Berlin stadium either. Baker reports that Owens so captured the imagination of the crowd it gave him several ear-shattering ovations. Owens had been prepared for a hostile reception; a coach had warned him in advance not to be upset by anything that might happen in the stands."Ignore the insults," Owens was told,"and you'll be all right." Later Owens recalled that he had gotten the greatest ovations of his career at Berlin.
     
    , @Incitatus
    “Judging past events and actions by present standards which may or may not be superior to those of former generations is absurd.”

    Absolutely Carroll. “Absurd” is the word.

    Reread my post (#194). Quote anything that remotely suggests untimely condemnation.

    You (#188) asked “is the above quote true or false” - i.e. did Owens shake hands with Hitler or not.

    In good faith, I affirmed he didn’t. Further, it wasn’t Dolf’s fault, after Ballet-Latour’s injunction. You seem unable to take ‘no’ for an answer. Let alone trace causality.

    You accuse me of “Judging past events...” and all the rest. What’s that all about? Upset I posted contemporary sources (Göbbels, von Schirach)? Well, I guess there’s no pleasing some people. Tried my best, but what one can one do?

    BTW Dolf (according to Ulrich) actually actively exercised his arm to sustain the ‘Hitler Gruß’ for hours. He otherwise eschewed exercise and was a non-swimmer.

    Had Nazi Germany won WW2? No doubt there’d be an Olympic competition in arm extension. Team based like a relay race. As well as an individual arm-erect decathlon. Marathons? Maybe poll-vaulting with single -arm salute? On second thought, the latter might not be a good idea.

    Still. No doubt we’re all the poorer. Sigh. That’s fate.
  191. L.K says:
    @Carroll Price
    Certainly at that time in history, few if any white men, let alone heads of Western states, would be caught shaking hands with a Negro. The fact that Hitler failed to do so means nothing when considering the fact that it simply wasn't done here in the US or anywhere else. Judging past events and actions by present standards which may or may not be superior to those of former generations is absurd.

    Hi Carroll,

    You make the correct point that one should avoid “Judging past events and actions by present standards”.

    Beyond that, there is the problem that much of what we hear is just BS.

    http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/571

    Adolf Hitler, Jesse Owens and the Olympics Myth of 1936

    Not only was Owens not rebuffed by Hitler, Owens wasn’t shunned by the German audience at the Berlin stadium either. Baker reports that Owens so captured the imagination of the crowd it gave him several ear-shattering ovations. Owens had been prepared for a hostile reception; a coach had warned him in advance not to be upset by anything that might happen in the stands.”Ignore the insults,” Owens was told,”and you’ll be all right.” Later Owens recalled that he had gotten the greatest ovations of his career at Berlin.

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  192. Incitatus says:
    @Carroll Price
    Certainly at that time in history, few if any white men, let alone heads of Western states, would be caught shaking hands with a Negro. The fact that Hitler failed to do so means nothing when considering the fact that it simply wasn't done here in the US or anywhere else. Judging past events and actions by present standards which may or may not be superior to those of former generations is absurd.

    “Judging past events and actions by present standards which may or may not be superior to those of former generations is absurd.”

    Absolutely Carroll. “Absurd” is the word.

    Reread my post (#194). Quote anything that remotely suggests untimely condemnation.

    You (#188) asked “is the above quote true or false” – i.e. did Owens shake hands with Hitler or not.

    In good faith, I affirmed he didn’t. Further, it wasn’t Dolf’s fault, after Ballet-Latour’s injunction. You seem unable to take ‘no’ for an answer. Let alone trace causality.

    You accuse me of “Judging past events…” and all the rest. What’s that all about? Upset I posted contemporary sources (Göbbels, von Schirach)? Well, I guess there’s no pleasing some people. Tried my best, but what one can one do?

    BTW Dolf (according to Ulrich) actually actively exercised his arm to sustain the ‘Hitler Gruß’ for hours. He otherwise eschewed exercise and was a non-swimmer.

    Had Nazi Germany won WW2? No doubt there’d be an Olympic competition in arm extension. Team based like a relay race. As well as an individual arm-erect decathlon. Marathons? Maybe poll-vaulting with single -arm salute? On second thought, the latter might not be a good idea.

    Still. No doubt we’re all the poorer. Sigh. That’s fate.

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    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    I guess my problem with your posts is that you needlessly politicize Adolph Hitler's actions, or lack thereof as if said or did anything different from what any other white man of his day and generation would have done under similar circumstances.
  193. @Incitatus
    “Judging past events and actions by present standards which may or may not be superior to those of former generations is absurd.”

    Absolutely Carroll. “Absurd” is the word.

    Reread my post (#194). Quote anything that remotely suggests untimely condemnation.

    You (#188) asked “is the above quote true or false” - i.e. did Owens shake hands with Hitler or not.

    In good faith, I affirmed he didn’t. Further, it wasn’t Dolf’s fault, after Ballet-Latour’s injunction. You seem unable to take ‘no’ for an answer. Let alone trace causality.

    You accuse me of “Judging past events...” and all the rest. What’s that all about? Upset I posted contemporary sources (Göbbels, von Schirach)? Well, I guess there’s no pleasing some people. Tried my best, but what one can one do?

    BTW Dolf (according to Ulrich) actually actively exercised his arm to sustain the ‘Hitler Gruß’ for hours. He otherwise eschewed exercise and was a non-swimmer.

    Had Nazi Germany won WW2? No doubt there’d be an Olympic competition in arm extension. Team based like a relay race. As well as an individual arm-erect decathlon. Marathons? Maybe poll-vaulting with single -arm salute? On second thought, the latter might not be a good idea.

    Still. No doubt we’re all the poorer. Sigh. That’s fate.

    I guess my problem with your posts is that you needlessly politicize Adolph Hitler’s actions, or lack thereof as if said or did anything different from what any other white man of his day and generation would have done under similar circumstances.

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    • Replies: @Incitatus
    “...my problem with your posts is that you needlessly politicize Adolph Hitler’s actions, or lack thereof...”

    Not intentionally. ‘Politicize’ meaning ‘to make politically aware esp. of radical views or talk about politics’? To be honest, a condemnation as puzzling as your “Judging past events and actions by present standards.” I must be missing something (possible). Help me out.

    Make no mistake, Dolf had plenty of company eschewing Negro contact in ‘36. Have I said otherwise? Voices whispering unwritten messages? Hope not.

    Wilson screened Griffith’s ‘Birth of a Nation’ in the White House and seemingly endorsed the KKK despite service of 350k+ Negroes in WW1. Black US veterans were routinely refused public conveniences in many US regions well after WW2. ‘White only’ drinking fountains were common in late ‘50S DC. Haven’t mentioned it, let alone what I think about it. No interest in ‘politicization’.

    Your post (#188) dealt with Jesse Owens and Adolf Hilter in ‘36, as did my (#197) reply. You persist in resisting affirmation. You don’t, by any chance, think Dolf’s misjudged by ‘politically correct’ projection into the past? Mounting a ‘preemptive defense’ against a condemnatory case you imagine I’m making against Dolf? Perish the thought - last thing in my mind!

    “[Hitler would do] anything different from what any other white man of his day and generation would have done under similar circumstances.”

    Not at all. Every “white man of his day” would ruthlessly murder opponents, faithlessly make and void treaties, launch aggressive wars, kill 70k handicapped Germans, forget to adequately supply his own troops ‘41, fail to protect his own homeland, enslave millions, rob neighboring states of their assets and art, exterminate millions, then - when unsuccessful - turn on his own people and order their destruction. That’s in each of us, isn’t it?

    Personally haven’t had those urges. Haven’t observed them in other ‘white men’ of my day - or my father’s or grandfather’s. But who knows, Carroll? Dolf (or ‘Wolf’ as he liked to called in the early days) deserves to be judged by the standards of his own time. No question.

    His brains on the bunker ceiling are evidence of his very own (personal and contemporaneous) verdict.

    Post Nazi victory Olympics seem much more interesting. Swimming with one arm extended in the Hitlergruß (all strokes)? Fencing with one arm erect in salute? Archery might be difficult. One-armed push-ups (no - that’s too easy). Eight/four oar rowing (one arm only)? Bicycle racing (think about a Vichy Tour de France!).

    Almost makes one wish...Well, maybe not.
  194. Mooser says:
    @Z-man

    I don’t see this ending well.
     
    One prays for the Second Coming at times like these..

    “One prays for the Second Coming at times like these..”

    I suppose sex might be a way to get your mind off it.

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  195. Incitatus says:
    @Carroll Price
    I guess my problem with your posts is that you needlessly politicize Adolph Hitler's actions, or lack thereof as if said or did anything different from what any other white man of his day and generation would have done under similar circumstances.

    “…my problem with your posts is that you needlessly politicize Adolph Hitler’s actions, or lack thereof…”

    Not intentionally. ‘Politicize’ meaning ‘to make politically aware esp. of radical views or talk about politics’? To be honest, a condemnation as puzzling as your “Judging past events and actions by present standards.” I must be missing something (possible). Help me out.

    Make no mistake, Dolf had plenty of company eschewing Negro contact in ‘36. Have I said otherwise? Voices whispering unwritten messages? Hope not.

    Wilson screened Griffith’s ‘Birth of a Nation’ in the White House and seemingly endorsed the KKK despite service of 350k+ Negroes in WW1. Black US veterans were routinely refused public conveniences in many US regions well after WW2. ‘White only’ drinking fountains were common in late ‘50S DC. Haven’t mentioned it, let alone what I think about it. No interest in ‘politicization’.

    Your post (#188) dealt with Jesse Owens and Adolf Hilter in ‘36, as did my (#197) reply. You persist in resisting affirmation. You don’t, by any chance, think Dolf’s misjudged by ‘politically correct’ projection into the past? Mounting a ‘preemptive defense’ against a condemnatory case you imagine I’m making against Dolf? Perish the thought – last thing in my mind!

    “[Hitler would do] anything different from what any other white man of his day and generation would have done under similar circumstances.”

    Not at all. Every “white man of his day” would ruthlessly murder opponents, faithlessly make and void treaties, launch aggressive wars, kill 70k handicapped Germans, forget to adequately supply his own troops ‘41, fail to protect his own homeland, enslave millions, rob neighboring states of their assets and art, exterminate millions, then – when unsuccessful – turn on his own people and order their destruction. That’s in each of us, isn’t it?

    Personally haven’t had those urges. Haven’t observed them in other ‘white men’ of my day – or my father’s or grandfather’s. But who knows, Carroll? Dolf (or ‘Wolf’ as he liked to called in the early days) deserves to be judged by the standards of his own time. No question.

    His brains on the bunker ceiling are evidence of his very own (personal and contemporaneous) verdict.

    Post Nazi victory Olympics seem much more interesting. Swimming with one arm extended in the Hitlergruß (all strokes)? Fencing with one arm erect in salute? Archery might be difficult. One-armed push-ups (no – that’s too easy). Eight/four oar rowing (one arm only)? Bicycle racing (think about a Vichy Tour de France!).

    Almost makes one wish…Well, maybe not.

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  196. JohnDough says:

    Unfortunately my dealings with far too many Jews reinforced many of the old canards I’ve heard. They keep it alive and brand Israel hasbara and the takeover of most elections in the US support this as well. Just look at the attack on Russia for allegedly influencing our presidential election when Israel has been influencing a multitude of elections and the president for decades at many levels.

    Controlled media is one trick. Hollywood is incredibly racist and sexist in the middle of one of the most diverse cities in the country. It’s tribal and exclusionary and that’s how they run it! Get them out of media and open up information like the internet. model. To Zionists winning is the only thing and it is to be accomplished by any means necessary.

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  197. Ace says:
    @Chris Chuba
    @Erebus,
    You know what, I think I'm wrong. I've just read yet another article on Russia and I can totally see why the Russians would just throw up their hands and conclude that it's a waste of time / resources to bother with the Information War. I'm including a post I made in another place. Our Foreign Policy establishment has thoroughly brainwashed the U.S. public and most or Europe. I can see where Russia would conclude, 'we'll take care of the facts on the ground and either wait for the false narrative to collapse on its own or ...'


    By Chris Chuba on MoonOfAlabama:
    This is about the Information War against Russia. I just had an 'aha' moment.
    The standard memes against Putin are well known but after reading this article, I only just now recognized the tactic of embedding them in scholarly, semi-flattering, expertly looking journals.
    https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017/05/seeing-russia-clearly/

    Russia is uniquely hated. Iran is casually dismissed as 'number one sponsor of terrorism'. N. Korea is a rogue regime. China, growing rival (or ignored). Russia on the other hand has to be dissected to make it look like it was carefully studied and the author reluctantly came to these conclusions, 'Russia didn't have a liberal democratic tradition so of course they are ruled by a monster like Putin'.

    I'm kind of surprised I didn't recognize this earlier. I'll bet a steak dinner that these authors hated Russia a year before they wrote their first draft.

     


     

     

    I despised the Soviet Union but even I no longer believe that the U.S.S.R. = = = = the Russian Federation. But I’m here to tell you there are plenty of people trying to sell that idea in the worst way, including FoxNews and some otherwise excellent people.

    Was French foreign policy still controlled by the Bourbons in 1815? Not many people think that but bunches seem to think the KGB is today alive and well in the person of V. Putin.

    Boy. Russia is on the march despite limited moves arguably outside its borders. Certainly limited compared to the international Chicken Man role played by the US – He’s everywhere. He’s everywhere.

    Russia for darn sure isn’t waging aggressive, unconstitutional war in Syria like some people.

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  198. Ace says:
    @Erebus
    Well, they didn't just "throw up their hands". They created RT and others, which proved an effective rearguard action. RT became the most watched alt-news channel on U-tube and cable. That steered a great many people away from the All Lies, All the Time MSM and blunted their effect. Much of alt-media can trace their success to the fact that RT opened some doors of perception in the public's consciousness. Their success has reached the point where RT is publicly damned, and is operating under threats of closure in many Western countries.

    I view the apparent "hatred" as a form of psycho-justification for the real, existential threat Russia presents to the West's fundamental agenda - namely, Global Hegemony under Pax Americana. The Western elites have totally internalized that agenda as not only the best, but the only possible system for running an orderly world. A little more vaguely, so have their citizens.

    2o years ago, they thought they all but had the prize in hand. Today, while it remains the case that Russia is the only country that has veto power over that ambition in the form of its nuclear arsenal, it has also developed ambitions of its own in developing a multi-polar world. For western elites, a multi-polar world is equivalent to chaos. Or worse, it's a chaos they understand they can't profit from.

    What's worse, far worse, is that Russia has developed the diplomatic and military muscle to attract China to the multi-polar table. China, who the Western elites figured would be their ultimate cash cow, forever grateful to them for their truly great leap forward, is now firmly in the multi-polar camp. That is unforgivable. They believe they can reel China back in if they can just neuter Russia somehow.

    Frankly, I think they're right.

    The US agenda to remove Assad has not been realized and its fall back effort to dismember Syria is likewise failing. E.g., al Tanf end run. Perhaps Israel will still insist we do its bidding there but that will be harder to do after ISIS is driven out.

    So I don’t see Russia in danger of being reeled in. Tillerson is basically in double volte face mode, sanctions aren’t working against Russia, and the laws of arithmetic are operating as we speak on pensions, bonds, and other forms of federal and state fiscal and policy excess. “What can’t go on won’t” eventually will be more that a wise saying.

    Putting Russia in its place will soon be the least of US concerns. These are watershed times and the flow is obviously not in the direction of US hegemony thanks be. Avoiding collapse is in our future in a big way.

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  199. Ace says:
    @jilles dykstra
    The holocaust is a very important ideological basis for globalisation, thus also for the EU.
    Nationalism leads to fascism and gas chambers.

    Exactly. Exactly. The EU is premised on avoiding the “evils” of nationalism. What was the real cause of the mass slaughter of the ’30s and ’40s? Centralized totalitarian leftism (a redundancy).

    So…what is the defining characteristic of the EU? Centralized authoritarianism.

    What could go wrong? The morons of the EU defined the problem incorrectly from the start, though that was not an accident.

    The Timmermans and Rompuys of this world hate National Socialism but not international socialism, i.e., Soviet communism. I’m certainly unaware of any denunciation of it so it’s not a leap to say that globalization resembles internationalism if you get my drift.

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  200. Ace says:
    @Carroll Price
    I never fall into the trap (set by Jews) of capitalizing the word holocaust because, as a common noun, it's no different from thousands of others. Capitalizing common nouns is grammatically incorrect.

    I have the same inclination but perhaps the best practice would be to speak of the Nazi Holicaust, the Soviet Holocaust, the Chinese Communist Holocaust, the Khmer Rouge Holocaust, and the Ottoman Holocaust.

    The implication that there was only one Holocaust is what frosts me.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Four good comments in a row, especially the final paragraph of #203. Keep it up Ace.
  201. @Ace
    I have the same inclination but perhaps the best practice would be to speak of the Nazi Holicaust, the Soviet Holocaust, the Chinese Communist Holocaust, the Khmer Rouge Holocaust, and the Ottoman Holocaust.

    The implication that there was only one Holocaust is what frosts me.

    Four good comments in a row, especially the final paragraph of #203. Keep it up Ace.

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    • Replies: @Ace
    Thank you, Mr. Duke. You made my day.

    People normally criticize my use of halluc0genetic substances but you've proved them wrong. :-)
  202. Ace says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Four good comments in a row, especially the final paragraph of #203. Keep it up Ace.

    Thank you, Mr. Duke. You made my day.

    People normally criticize my use of halluc0genetic substances but you’ve proved them wrong. :-)

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