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Long ago, when I was a spear carrying middle ranker at CIA, a colleague took me aside and said that he had something to tell me “as a friend,” that was very important. He told me that his wife had worked for years in the Agency’s Administrative Directorate, as it was then called, where she had noticed that some new officers coming out of the Career Trainee program had red tags on their personnel files. She eventually learned from her boss that the tags represented assessments that those officers had exceptional potential as senior managers. He added, however, that the reverse appeared to be true in practice as they were generally speaking serial failures as they ascended the bureaucratic ladder, even though their careers continued to be onward and upward on paper. My friend’s wife concluded, not unreasonably, that only genuine a-holes had what it took to get promoted to the most senior ranks.

I was admittedly skeptical but some recent activity by former and current Directors and Acting Directors of CIA has me wondering if something like my friend’s wife’s observation about senior management might indeed be true. But it would have to be something other than tagging files, as many of the directors and their deputies did not come up through the ranks and there seems to be a similar strain of lunacy at other U.S. government intelligence agencies. It might be time to check the water supply in the Washington area as there is very definitely something in the kool-aid that is producing odd behavior.

Now I should pause for a moment and accept that the role of intelligence services is to identify potential threats before they become active, so a certain level of acute paranoia goes with the job. But at the same time, one would expect a level of professionalism which would mandate accuracy rather than emotion in assessments coupled with an eschewing of any involvement in the politics of foreign and national security policy formulation. The enthusiasm with which a number of senior CIA personnel have waded into the Trump swamp and have staked out positions that contradict genuine national interests suggests that little has been learned since CIA Director George Tenet sat behind Secretary of State Colin Powell in the UN and nodded sagaciously as Saddam Hussein’s high crimes and misdemeanors were falsely enumerated.

Indeed, one can start with Tenet if one wants to create a roster of recent CIA Directors who have lied to permit the White House to engage in a war crime. Tenet and his staff knew better than anyone that the case against Saddam did not hold water, but President George W. Bush wanted his war and, by gum, he was going to get it if the CIA had any say in the matter.

Back then as now, international Islamic terrorism was the name of the game. It kept the money flowing to the national security establishment in the false belief that America was somehow being made “safe.” But today the terror narrative has been somewhat supplanted by Russia, which is headed by a contemporary Saddam Hussein in the form of Vladimir Putin. If one believes the media and a majority of congressmen, evil manifest lurks in the gilded halls of the Kremlin. Russia has recently been sanctioned (again) for crimes that are more alleged than demonstrated and President Putin has been selected by the Establishment as the wedge issue that will be used to end President Donald Trump’s defiance of the Deep State and all that pertains to it. The intelligence community at its top level would appear to be fully on board with that effort.

The most recent inexplicable comments come from the current CIA Director Mike Pompeo, speaking at the Aspen Institute Security Forum. He began by asserting that Russia had interfered in the U.S. election before saying that the logic behind Russia’s Middle Eastern strategy is to stay in place in Syria so Moscow can “stick it to America.” He didn’t define the “it” so one must assume that “it” stands for any utensil available, ranging from cruise missiles to dinner forks. He then elaborated, somewhat obscurely, that “I think they find anyplace that they can make our lives more difficult, I think they find that something that’s useful.”

Remarkably, he also said that there is only “minimal evidence” that Russia is even fighting ISIS. The statement is astonishing as Moscow has most definitely been seriously and directly engaged in support of the Syrian Arab Army. Is it possible that the head of the CIA is unaware of that? It just might be that Pompeo is disparaging the effort because the Russians and Syrians have also been fighting against the U.S. backed “moderate rebels.” That the moderate rebels are hardly moderate has been known for years and they are also renowned for their ineffectiveness combined with a tendency to defect to more radical groups taking their U.S. provided weapons with them, a combination of factors which led to their being denied any further American support by a presidential decision that was revealed in the press two weeks ago.

Pompeo’s predecessor John Brennan is, however, my favorite Agency leader in the category of totally bereft of his senses. In testimony before the House Intelligence Committee back in May, he suggested that some Trump associates might have been recruited by the Russian intelligence service. He testified that “I encountered and am aware of information and intelligence that revealed contacts and interactions between Russian officials and US persons involved in the Trump campaign that I was concerned about because of known Russian efforts to suborn such individuals. It raised questions in my mind whether or not Russia was able to gain the co-operation of those individuals.”

In his testimony, Brennan apparently forgot to mention that the CIA is not supposed to keep tabs on American citizens. Nor did he explain how he had come upon the information in the first place as it had been handed over by foreign intelligence services, including the British, Dutch and Estonians, and at least some of it had been sought or possibly inspired by Brennan unofficially in the first place. Brennan then used that information to request an FBI investigation into a possible Russian operation directed against potential key advisers if Trump were to somehow get nominated and elected, which admittedly was a longshot at the time. That is how Russiagate started.

Brennan is certainly loyal to his cause, whatever that might be. At the same Aspen meeting attended by Pompeo, he told Wolf Blitzer that if Trump were to fire special counsel Robert Mueller government officials should “refuse to carry out” his orders. In other words, they should begin a coup, admittedly non-violent (one presumes), but nevertheless including federal employees uniting to shut the government down.

A lesser known former CIA senior official is John McLaughlin, who briefly served as acting Director in 2004. McLaughlin was particularly outraged by Trump’s recent speech to the Boy Scouts, which he described as having the feel “of a third world authoritarian’s youth rally.” He added that “It gave me the creeps…it was like watching the late Venezuelan [President Hugo] Chavez.”

And finally, there is Michael Morell, also a former Acting Director, who was closely tied to the Hillary Clinton campaign, apparently driven by ambition to become Director in her administration. Morell currently provides commentary for CBS television and is a frequent guest on the Charlie Rose show. Morell considerably raised the ante on Brennan’s pre-electoral speculation that there had been some Russian recruitment of Trump people. He observed in August that Putin, a wily ex-career intelligence officer, …“trained to identify vulnerabilities in an individual and to exploit them [did exactly that] early in the primaries. Mr. Putin played upon Mr. Trump’s vulnerabilities… In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.”

I and others noted at the time that Putin and Trump had never met, not even through proxies, while we also wondered how one could be both unwitting and a recruited agent as intelligence recruitment implies control and taking direction. Morell was non-plussed, unflinching and just a tad sanctimonious in affirming that his own intelligence training (as an analyst who never recruited a spy in his life) meant that “[I] call it as I see it.”

One could also cite Michael Hayden and James Clapper, though the latter was not CIA. They all basically hew to the same line about Russia, often in more-or-less the same words, even though no actual evidence has been produced to support their claims. That unanimity of thinking is what is peculiar while academics like Stephen Cohen, Stephen Walt, Andrew Bacevich, and John Mearsheimer, who have studied Russia in some depth and understand the country and its leadership far better than a senior CIA officer, detect considerable nuance in what is taking place. They all believe that the hardline policies current in Washington are based on an eagerness to go with the flow on the comforting inside-the- beltway narrative that paints Russia as a threat to vital interests. That unanimity of viewpoint should surprise no one as this is more of less the same government with many of the same people that led the U.S. into Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. They all have a vested interested in the health and well-being of a fully funded national security state.

And the other groupthink that seems to prevail among the senior managers except Pompeo is that they all hate Donald Trump and have done so since long before he won the election. That is somewhat odd, but it perhaps reflects a fear that Trump would interfere with the richly rewarding establishment politics that had enabled their careers. But it does not necessarily reflect the viewpoint of CIA employees. Though it is admittedly unscientific analysis on my part, I know a lot of former and some current CIA employees but do not know a single one who voted for Hillary Clinton. Nearly all voted for Trump.

Beyond that exhibition of tunnel vision and sheer ignorance, the involvement of former senior intelligence officials in politics is itself deplorable and is perhaps symptomatic of the breakdown in the comfortable bipartisan national security consensus that has characterized the past fifty years. Once upon time former CIA officers would retire to the Blue Ridge mountains and raise Labradors, but we are now into something much more dangerous if the intelligence community, which has been responsible for most of the recent leaks, begins to feel free to assert itself from behind the scenes. As Senator Chuck Schumer recently warned “Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.”

 
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  1. In jumping this fascist nihilist shark, the groupthinkers have closed themselves off from the logical conclusion to their viewpoint, which is final annihilation.

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    • Replies: @anon
    http://www.atimes.com/article/putins-shock-therapy-may-help-trump-bury-russia-story/

    " Kushner’s clear, precise and convincing account of what really occurred during the campaign and after the election has left many of President Trump’s loudest enemies trying to quietly back out of the room unnoticed. Cable news airtime and in-print word count dedicated to the nonexistent collusion story appear to be dwindling. Democrats and their allies in the media seem less eager to talk about it. Democrats and their allies in the media seem less eager to talk about it… They are stammering. And it hasn’t taken long for news producers and editors to realize that the story is fading. At last, the story that never was is not happening.

    No doubt the issue will continue to be irresistible to some of Trump’s haters. Some will never believe the truth, no matter what else is revealed. "
    , @Joe Wong
    The Empire of Chaos is not exceptional at all, it is walking the same path as the dying days of the Roman Empire, during that time Praetorian Guard was the culprit, nowadays the security agency is the culprit of the Empire of Chaos' down fall.
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  2. Dan Hayes says:

    Schumer’s statement is true (and probably the only such one in his political career!).

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  3. annamaria says:

    Brennan, Morell, and Pompeo should better find ways to justify their salaries: the U.S. has suffered the greatest breach in cybersecurity on their watch: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-31/judge-napolitano-awans-had-access-virtually-everything-house-representatives-sold-in

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/lt-col-tony-shaffer-awan-brothers-sent-sensitive-intel-muslim-brotherhood-video/

    “…an enormous breach of the United States Security Apparatus by as many as 80 Democrat members of Congress (past and present). We rail on about the Russians and Trump, but the media avoids providing nightly updates about these 5 spies that have compromised Congress.”

    http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-awan-brothers-compromised-at-least-80-congregational-computers-and-got-paid-5-million-to-do-it-we-may-never-know-the-extent-of-the-breach/

    “In total, Imran’s firm was employed by 31 Democrats in Congress, some of whom held extremely sensitive positions on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the House Committee on Foreign Affairs.”

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  4. polistra says:

    Nothing new. In the ’50s CIA was making foreign wars and cultivating chaos at home, and blaming all of it on Russia. In the ’80s CIA was cultivating anti-nuke groups to undermine Reagan, and blaming it on Russia. CIA has been the primary wellspring of evil for a long time.

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    • Replies: @Jake
    The CIA's source, its birth, is from British secret service. Brit spying. And Brit secret service, long before the official founding of MI5, did exactly the kinds of things you note the CIA has done.

    The Mossad is another direct fruit of Brit secret service, as is the Saudi General Intelligence Presidency.

    , @Art

    Nothing new. In the ’50s CIA was making foreign wars and cultivating chaos at home, and blaming all of it on Russia. In the ’80s CIA was cultivating anti-nuke groups to undermine Reagan, and blaming it on Russia. CIA has been the primary wellspring of evil for a long time.
     
    People need to get this - the CIA is trouble for America and the world.

    It must be broken up - it must be put out of business.

    We have sixteen other spook agencies - let them spook - but not make policy - not change leadership in other countries. That is NOT America's job - period.

    Do DEFENSE - not offence.

    Peace --- Art
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  5. And back to reality we have VIPS Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.
    Yes you read that right and they are going to the rotten core of this coup against the United States by presenting a report stating that the DNC was “Leaked” not hacked. The real hacking came from President Obama’s weaponizing of our intelligence agencies against Russia. That is war, World War Three and it would seem now that Congress is marching that way, but the report below hold the key
    to fighting back.

    http://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2017/2017_30-39/2017-30/pdf/37-41_4430.pdf

    One of the VIPS is William Binney fomer NSA Technical Director, an important expert. leading the group is Ray McGovern with some whit and grace, well yes how about some sanity, to which humor is important to the insight and to stay in the sights of what is clever thievery and worse. Much worse,
    and there is a twinkle in the eye when realize that it is straight forward.

    And Congress could stop it tout sweet, but well old habits……but they have taken an Oath of Office, so, so what, yeah they did go after Bernie, so will you challenge your elected officials, either do their sworn duty or resign, for what this sanctions bill against Russia and Iran is a declaration of war, not only against Russia and Iran, but a declaration of war against the United States. for there is no reason to do this against Russia when indeed there are great opportunities to get along, but war is the insanity as it is sedition and treason. Tell them that,

    https://larouchepac.com/20170731/breaking-lyndon-larouche-crush-british-coup-against-president

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    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    The emergence of Trump is the consequence of a deep state split that has resulted in a deep state civil war. Specifically, the split is between the CIA and the military for control of America's foreign policy and military strategy.

    Trump “I am the most militaristic person ever” is the man backed by the Pentagon tired of being sent to war without the political will to win them. Hence, Trump's lust to bomb the shit out of anyone who gets in America's way, whereas Obama/Clinton were clients of the CIA, who seek a more subtle approach to global empire, more reliant on assassinations, terrorist proxies, and color revolutions than on application of overwhelming force.

    Hence the furious efforts by the, until now dominant, CIA, to oust Trump by whatever means necessary.

    America's constitutional government, as is now clear, has long been defunct.

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  6. Moderate Rebels = Toothfairy Rebels

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  7. I wonder if groupthink exists.
    In any organisation people know quite well why the organisation exists, what the threats are to its existence.
    If they think about this, I wonder.
    The CIA is the USA’s secret army, it is not comparable to a real intelligence organisation like the British MI5.
    The CIA is more like WWII SOE, designed to set fire to Europe, Churchill’s words.
    If indeed Trump changes USA foreign policy, no longer trying to control the world, the CIA is obsolete, as obsolete as NATO.

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    I wonder if groupthink exists.
     
    It probably does as do group psychoses and group fantasies..
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  8. “…but President George W. Bush wanted his war and, by gum, he was going to get it if the CIA had any say in the matter.”
    Not to defend the CIA, but didn’t Rumsfeld, doubt the enthusiasm of the CIA for providing the slanted, bogus, “sexed up” intelligence the Executive required to make its “destroy Iraq now” case ? So Rumsfeld therefore set up an independent intelligence agency within the Defence Dept to provide/create the required “intelligence” ?

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    • Replies: @ChristianB4American
    Rummy was fighting based on the Colin Powell War Plans he was given. The 2003 invasion was the Powell Campaign.
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  9. I think they find anyplace that they can make our lives more difficult, I think they find that something that’s useful.”

    Yeah, because that’s what resource-constrained countries with limited ability to tap the global capital markets do. Methinks Mr. Pompeo is projecting his and the neocons’ fantasies on the Russians.

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  10. Realist says:

    As has been the case for decades the Deep State allows Presidents and legislators to make minor decisions in our government as long as those decisions do not in any way interfere with the Deep State’s goals of total world hegemony and increase in overwhelming power and wealth. Those who make the important decisions in this country are not elected. The elected ‘officials’ are sycophants of the Deep State.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "As has been the case for decades the Deep State allows Presidents and legislators to make minor decisions in our government as long as those decisions do not in any way interfere with the Deep State’s goals of total world hegemony and increase in overwhelming power and wealth."

    Assuming this phenomenon to be true:

    1) if you vote, why?;
    2) why are you not running for political office to stop their machinations -and-
    3) why are you not organizing efforts to consistently disrupt it to ensure a better future for your children?**

    By organizing efforts, I mean being out in the open to inform people of the Deep State's plans.
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  11. CalDre says:

    If only Trump would really clean the swamp – particularly the neo-cons and other traitors and globalists. One can dream ….

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    If only

    But doing so would mean a voluntary end to playing the role of Sauron, determined to find and wear the One Ring to Rule Them All. The average Elite WASP, and his Jewish BFF, definitely would prefer to destroy the world, at least outside their gated compounds of endless luxury, than to step down from that level of global domination.
    , @Eticon
    What we've learned from Trump is that 'Draining the Swamp' will take more than an individual. It will take a political movement.

    One sees this on the fringes of politics. Someone gets the idea of running for President, and they point out all that is wrong. But, they focus only on their own campaign, their own goal, and they thus gloss over the fact that they'll be outnumbered and powerless even if they win.

    Seen this often on the Left. The most recent example is Bernie Sanders. Likewise, had Bernie been elected President, he too would face an entrenched establishment and media with only a small fraction of the Congress supporting him.

    Change has to be built from the bottom up. There are no shortcuts. Electing a Trump, or a Nader or a Bernie does not lead to real change. Step one is to build the political movement such that it has real voting block power and which has already won voting majorities in the legislature before the movement achieves the election of a President.

    What Trump has needed to be doing for this first two years is to form clear divisions that he could then take to his voters in the mid-term elections. He's needed to lay out his own agenda. So what if he loses votes in Congress? He then takes that agenda back to the voters in 2018 with a nationwide slate of Congressional candidates who support that agenda and runs a midterm campaign asking the voters to help him drain that swamp.

    So, for instance, Trump should veto the act of war known as the recent sanctions bill. Who cares if it gets overridden? Then he goes back to the voters, who are clearly sick of endless war and who for obvious reasons don't want a nuclear war, and he says this is where I stand. Support me by electing Fill-In-The-Blank to Congress. With the nuclear Doomsday Clock pushing ever closer to midnight, he might just win that fight over the big money and media opposition he's sure to face.

    Not only has Trump failed to even try to fight the Deep State, but he's also failing to set himself up for success in the next elections.

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  12. Being resistant to jargon and catch phrases it is only slowly that I have accepted that “Deep State” is not entirely pretentious waffle when used to describe aspects of the US. However I may not be your only reader PG who would appreciate a clear explanatory description of the American Deep State and how it works.

    Here are some suggested parameters.

    The term is appropriated from the use to describe the mutually loyal corps of Ataturkians in the Turkish military and intelligence services who were united in service to uphold the ideal of Ataturkian secular modernisation. The term implies no public accountability or publicity unnecessary to its purposes.
    And its origins imply that it is not just one in a number of major influences ln government or those who vote for it.

    So one has to acknowledge that in the US the Deep State has to be different in the important respect that levers of power are observably wielded by lobbies for the aged, gun owners and sellers, Israel, Wall Street, bio fuels, sugar and other ag, pharmaceuticals, oil and gas, the arms industry, Disney and other Hollywood and media, health insurers and the medical profession, and I could go on. These are all relevant to legal events like votes on impeachment or to hold up appointments. The CIA and FBI together completely united (and note how disunited 9/11 showed them to be) wouldn’t remotely approach the old Turkish Deep State’s ability to stage a coup. Are all of the putative elements of the Deep State together today as powerful as J.Edgar Hoover with his dirt files on everyone? (A contrast and compare exercise of today’s presumed Deep State configuration and modus operandi with the simpler Hoover days might shine some light on who does what and how today. And how effectively).

    To avoid lack of focus can a convincing account of the US Deep State be best given in terms of a plausible scenario for
    1. getting rid of Trump as President and/or
    2. maintaining the lunacy and hubris which has the US wasting its substance on totally unnecessary antagonistic relations with China and Russia and interference in the ME?
    I would read such accounts with great interest. (Handwavers need not apply).

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    Wiz - Here is an article I did on the Deep State two years ago. It was one of the first in the US media looking at the issue. It would have to be updated now in light of Trump, but much of what it states is still more-or-less correct.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/deep-state-america/
    , @Rurik

    Being resistant to jargon and catch phrases it is only slowly that I have accepted that “Deep State” is not entirely pretentious waffle when used to describe aspects of the US.
     
    not just the US wiz, but Australia (and Canada) too!

    if you want to know how the deepstate works, this little video here is a perfect example

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFEudf8NOuY

    the most important decision a government can make is to send its young people off to die- slaughtering and maiming and displacing and torturing other people- because they present an immediate and direct threat to the safety and well-being, if not the very existence of your own people.

    now when we watch that video, we can all see that both the heads of the governments of Canada and Australia were shilling lies for war on behalf of the zio-deepstate - that wanted to destroy Iraq (and Libya and Syria.. and "seven countries") on behalf of Israel. Duh.

    so you see wiz, that is evidence that your country is not run by the visible people in government and media, but by behind-the-scenes scumfucks and war pigs.

    if you want evidence of what an honorable, non-deepstate government looks like, here you are:

    https://img.rt.com/files/2017.04/original/58e7e663c4618801168b4591.jpg

    (you're welcome ; )
    , @SteveRogers42
    1974.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Team#Secret_Team
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  13. Jake says:

    Of course the US Deep State must hate Russia.

    First, Jews have a very long history of hating Russia and Russians. That never changed. The USSR was not Russia; the USSR was Marxism replacing Russia. Jews tended to love that. Rich Jews from across the world, from the US and the UK of most interest to us, sent money to support the Bolshevik Revolution.

    Russia managed to survive the USSR and is slowly coming back around to Russian common sense from the Christian perspective. Neither Jews nor their WASP BFFs can ever forgive that. They want Russia to act now to commit cultural and genetic suicide, like Western Europe and the entire Anglosphere are doing.

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    The USSR was a Talmudist experiment. Communism was Talmudism/Judaism. So after 70 plus years of agonizing with that system, Mother Russia survived and shaked it off, and now as a new Russia, it is going forward on its own, with its old traditions coming back to life. Thus Talmudist of all ranks hate the defeat they suffered at the hands of the Putin the Great. So it is a rejoicing of humanity when the enemies of the people, are defeated, once again after Isabel of Spain once defeated them also.
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  14. Jake says:
    @polistra
    Nothing new. In the '50s CIA was making foreign wars and cultivating chaos at home, and blaming all of it on Russia. In the '80s CIA was cultivating anti-nuke groups to undermine Reagan, and blaming it on Russia. CIA has been the primary wellspring of evil for a long time.

    The CIA’s source, its birth, is from British secret service. Brit spying. And Brit secret service, long before the official founding of MI5, did exactly the kinds of things you note the CIA has done.

    The Mossad is another direct fruit of Brit secret service, as is the Saudi General Intelligence Presidency.

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  15. While there can be no doubt about the crackpots in high positions of the most powerful bureaucracies, it seems to me that the CIA loonies are merely shock troops for an even worse bunch of evil psychos, the bankster mafiosi.

    We should always keep that in mind.

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    • Replies: @Jake
    Yes, indeed.

    But we need to make certain that your use of the word 'mafiosi' does not lead anyone to assume that group has more than a handful of Italians. Jews, WASPs, and continental Germanics each will outnumber Italians by at least 30 to 1.
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  16. Jake says:
    @CalDre
    If only Trump would really clean the swamp - particularly the neo-cons and other traitors and globalists. One can dream ....

    If only

    But doing so would mean a voluntary end to playing the role of Sauron, determined to find and wear the One Ring to Rule Them All. The average Elite WASP, and his Jewish BFF, definitely would prefer to destroy the world, at least outside their gated compounds of endless luxury, than to step down from that level of global domination.

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  17. @jilles dykstra
    I wonder if groupthink exists.
    In any organisation people know quite well why the organisation exists, what the threats are to its existence.
    If they think about this, I wonder.
    The CIA is the USA's secret army, it is not comparable to a real intelligence organisation like the British MI5.
    The CIA is more like WWII SOE, designed to set fire to Europe, Churchill's words.
    If indeed Trump changes USA foreign policy, no longer trying to control the world, the CIA is obsolete, as obsolete as NATO.

    I wonder if groupthink exists.

    It probably does as do group psychoses and group fantasies..

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    • Replies: @Beauracratic Mind
    Anyone who's ever served in a beuaracracy knows that groupthink exists.

    Take a bunch of mediocre minds. And, they do exist, as Garrison Keiler once famously made a joke out of with his line ... Welcome to Lake Woebegone, where all the children are above average.

    Take that bunch of mediocre thinkers, and then make most of them obsessed with their own career advancement above all else. The most dangerous place for a career-obsessed individual is outside the group consensus. If everyone is wrong, then there is safety in the group. After all, if they are wrong, so was everyone else in the organization. Thus they are immune to attack and censure for being wrong. But if someone takes a position outside of the group consensus, that can be a career-ending move if they are wrong, as now everyone else will be in the I-told-U-So camp. And even if they are correct, they will still be hated and shunned just for being the person who pointed out to the group that they are wrong.

    So, you take your typical average mind, and not only do they not have any great insights of their own, but they tend to stick to the group out of sheer survival ... and then when you take a mass of these mediocre minds you have 'groupthink'.
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  18. @Wizard of Oz
    Being resistant to jargon and catch phrases it is only slowly that I have accepted that "Deep State" is not entirely pretentious waffle when used to describe aspects of the US. However I may not be your only reader PG who would appreciate a clear explanatory description of the American Deep State and how it works.

    Here are some suggested parameters.

    The term is appropriated from the use to describe the mutually loyal corps of Ataturkians in the Turkish military and intelligence services who were united in service to uphold the ideal of Ataturkian secular modernisation. The term implies no public accountability or publicity unnecessary to its purposes.
    And its origins imply that it is not just one in a number of major influences ln government or those who vote for it.

    So one has to acknowledge that in the US the Deep State has to be different in the important respect that levers of power are observably wielded by lobbies for the aged, gun owners and sellers, Israel, Wall Street, bio fuels, sugar and other ag, pharmaceuticals, oil and gas, the arms industry, Disney and other Hollywood and media, health insurers and the medical profession, and I could go on. These are all relevant to legal events like votes on impeachment or to hold up appointments. The CIA and FBI together completely united (and note how disunited 9/11 showed them to be) wouldn't remotely approach the old Turkish Deep State's ability to stage a coup. Are all of the putative elements of the Deep State together today as powerful as J.Edgar Hoover with his dirt files on everyone? (A contrast and compare exercise of today's presumed Deep State configuration and modus operandi with the simpler Hoover days might shine some light on who does what and how today. And how effectively).

    To avoid lack of focus can a convincing account of the US Deep State be best given in terms of a plausible scenario for
    1. getting rid of Trump as President and/or
    2. maintaining the lunacy and hubris which has the US wasting its substance on totally unnecessary antagonistic relations with China and Russia and interference in the ME?
    I would read such accounts with great interest. (Handwavers need not apply).

    Wiz – Here is an article I did on the Deep State two years ago. It was one of the first in the US media looking at the issue. It would have to be updated now in light of Trump, but much of what it states is still more-or-less correct.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/deep-state-america/

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    Thank you. As you have my sparingly conferred respect i thank you even before reading it:-)
    , @Alden
    Philip,

    The Italians have always suspected that the Red Brigades bombings of the 1980s were a CIA front designed to turn Europeans against Russia, Marxism and revolutions. There were always tumors that the CIA, not the Red Brigades were responsible for the summer of 1984 Bolgna train station bombing that killed more than 80 people and wounded dozens more.
    Do you know anything about the CIA and the Red Brigades?
    , @HBM
    Got any inside track on the Awan/Debbie Schultz/Seth Rich situation?

    My money is on the Awans being ISI working with Mossad Schultz.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    I'm still to get full value out of reading and analysis of your TAC article but don't want to lose these thoughts.... To wit...

    Since, ex hyopthesi, Deep State refers to a blsck box, albeit dynamically related to the outside world, i.e. it deals with hidden things which could be very different from suppositions about them and about superficially similar ones in otber polities, it is perhaps important to consider whether and in what circumstances it is actually useful to use the Deep State concept/expression/shorthand.

    In Turkey it seems an originally (arguably) justified Deep State long ago tipped over into being largely a criminal organaisation comparable to the Mafia. If everyone knew that then I can see that some, conscious of American corruption and white collar crime, or merely to make strong political points, might wish to use the expression tendentiously of America and maybe European counties. However, as a key point is one's, nearly everyone's ignorance, that doesn't get one much further than (a) there are some things being done or neglected by government that are so bad or apparently stupid that we infer there are bad people with power in tbe background who are responsible (b) we also make the almost necessary inference that these people have many important levers of power available to them which can be exercised without accountability and with impunity even when not wholly or not at all legal. From that point one asks the cui bono and similar hardheaded questions and then, I suggest, runs into the problems of daunting complexity resulting from America's amazing mix of often conflicting ideological and material interests and the ever present likelihood of an Edward Snowden popping up.

    I am not ready to suggest that "Deep State" should be no more than a convenient shorthand for forces at work behind the scenes which appear to have or share the knowledge, clout and de facto impunity of intelligence gathering bodies like the CIA or FBI (always adding the proviso that the CIA and FBI alone can prove that conflict between them is an ever possible complication). But that might be a reasonable suggestion. And that leads to the thought that even the flexible Deep State must be regarded as if some kind of mythical beast which changes shape, adds, alters and drops limbs and changes its preferred diet from month to month.
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  19. Jake says:
    @jacques sheete
    While there can be no doubt about the crackpots in high positions of the most powerful bureaucracies, it seems to me that the CIA loonies are merely shock troops for an even worse bunch of evil psychos, the bankster mafiosi.

    We should always keep that in mind.

    Yes, indeed.

    But we need to make certain that your use of the word ‘mafiosi’ does not lead anyone to assume that group has more than a handful of Italians. Jews, WASPs, and continental Germanics each will outnumber Italians by at least 30 to 1.

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    "You must be working for the CIA.
    They wouldn't have you in the Ma-Fi-A"

    1960's song lyric from "Why can't we be friends"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc&ytbChannel=Quasi%20Moto

    Same as it ever was
    Same as it ever was
    Same as it ever was.
    , @jacques sheete

    But we need to make certain that your use of the word ‘mafiosi’ does not lead anyone to assume that group has more than a handful ...
     
    Bingo.

    It's astonishing how much trouble a mere handful of ignorant, emotionally inadequate goons can cause. It's almost depressing.

    Please note that I specified "bankster" mafiosi.They are composed of goyim as well as Jews and in my world ethnicity counts for little in that respect.

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  20. I am a retired CIA operations officer (something none of the men mentioned by Giraldi are – Brennan was a failed wanna be, couldn’t cut it as an ops officer). He is spot on in his comments. The majority of people in the CIA, the ones who do the heavy lifting, are patriotic Americans who are proud of serving their country. I am sure that most voted for Trump as they all know too well the truth about the Clintons and Obama.
    Giraldi is not the only one to notice the upward progress of the most incompetent yes-men in the Agency. A close look at most of them reveals a track record of little or no operational success balanced by excellent sucking up skills. These characters quickly figured out how to get ahead and doing your job in the field is not it. Of course, most are ego maniacs so they are totally oblivious to their own uselessness.
    Well before he was elected I had a letter delivered to President Trump in which I outlined in detail what would happen to him if he did not immediately purge the CIA of these assholes. I know that at least some people on his staff read it but, of course, my advice was ignored. Trump has paid dearly for not listening to an ordinary CIA guy who wanted to give him a reality brief on those vicious snakes.

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    You are responsible only for telling the truth and warning. Trump's naivete is his failing.
    , @Off The Street
    To expand on the Chris Bridges theme, CIA and auto industry have some common problems. Latter once had car guys (like Bob Lutz who knew and loved the product). They got leapfrogged by finance guys (like GM cookiecutter dudes Roger Smith or Rick Wagner) who knew numbers but lacked the fire in the belly to understand the product. Spies are like that as well. Operations knowledge and car knowledge both reinforce the old saying that The Map Is Not The Territory. Many wannabe CIA masters of the universe deskjockeys like Brennan rely on GPS instead of knowing field work like plain old map reading and terrain scouting. Let them start with changing a tire to see if they even can, then work up to an oil change.
    , @Stebbing Heuer

    I am sure that most voted for Trump as they all know too well the truth about the Clintons and Obama.
     
    They might know the truth about the Clintons and Obama.

    But most of us don't. We might suspect, but ...

    So - grateful for your sharing that truth.
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  21. Historical facts teach humanity that Anglo-Saxon group of Nations was built on slavery, thuggery and theft of other peace loving Civilizations.
    We Slavs are the New “niggers”, hate is the glue that holds you “toGether”.
    People of color have been successfully conditioned and practice it as well.
    Time will tell how well it holds when balloon bursts and 99% gets called to serve as cannon fodder.
    Terrorizing UNARMED and WEAKER is not true test of “superiority” and “exceptionalism”.
    Tiny, extremely tiny minority of Anglo-Saxons and Satraps understand this.

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  22. Jake says:
    @Chris Bridges
    I am a retired CIA operations officer (something none of the men mentioned by Giraldi are - Brennan was a failed wanna be, couldn't cut it as an ops officer). He is spot on in his comments. The majority of people in the CIA, the ones who do the heavy lifting, are patriotic Americans who are proud of serving their country. I am sure that most voted for Trump as they all know too well the truth about the Clintons and Obama.
    Giraldi is not the only one to notice the upward progress of the most incompetent yes-men in the Agency. A close look at most of them reveals a track record of little or no operational success balanced by excellent sucking up skills. These characters quickly figured out how to get ahead and doing your job in the field is not it. Of course, most are ego maniacs so they are totally oblivious to their own uselessness.
    Well before he was elected I had a letter delivered to President Trump in which I outlined in detail what would happen to him if he did not immediately purge the CIA of these assholes. I know that at least some people on his staff read it but, of course, my advice was ignored. Trump has paid dearly for not listening to an ordinary CIA guy who wanted to give him a reality brief on those vicious snakes.

    You are responsible only for telling the truth and warning. Trump’s naivete is his failing.

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    Hey Jake,

    It is a serious error to consider President Trump "naive."

    What we are seeing now is The Donald's role in the serial Zionist THEATER.

    Think deeper about the motive behind Mr. Giraldi's choice to use the Orwellian word "Groupthink" in characterizing the CIA zeitgeist?

    In the classic work "1984," one observes Big Brother as the catalyst in control of the proles' thought pattern & subsequent action.

    To rise & FALL as a POTUS is a matter of theater and the American proles are entertained by the political for either 4 or 8 years and the Zionists get their next Chosen actor/actress dramatically sworn in on a bible.

    Mr. Trump is neither naive nor stupid. Sheldon Adelson would not donate $millioms to any POTUS wannabe who could not effectively lead the American Groupthink tradition.
    Subsequently, the politcal horror show is brought to you in the understandable form of the perptually elusive Deep State which gets annual Academy Award.

    Beware the fake, Jake! ,
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  23. How “Russiagate” began ……

    After the primaries, both Hillary and Donald faced divided political parties even though they had won the nomination. These divisions were worse than the normal situation after contested primaries. On the Democratic side, Hillay had just subverted the will of the voters of her party, who seemed to favor Bernie Sanders over her. Hillay had won with corrupt collusion and rigging amongst the DNC, the higher ranks of the Democratic Party, and major media such as the NYT and CNN.

    Then, a leak of emails from the DNC HQ publicized her interference in the democratic processes of the Democratic Party. This threatened to ene the Hillary for President campaign right then and there. If the majority of Democrats who’d favored Bernie refused to support Hillary because of her corruption and collusion in denying democracy within the party, she was a sure loser in the fall election.

    The Hillary camp then immediately started blaming Russia for the exposure of her corruption and rigging of the Democratic process. And that’s how “Russiagate” began.

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    So get Bernie to act per the VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals For Sanity) report that states that the DNC was leaked not hacked. That means that Sen. Bernie Sanders needs to call for investigation into the role of Brennan per Obama's weaponizing of the intelligence communities against Russia.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/

    Bernie supporters, and those who have been sickened by his capitulation to the warmongers needs to make a big fuss about this, to stop the coup, ongoing right now, that included the dirty tricks campaign against Bernie.

    Bernie has the chance to be the leader he thinks he is but needs to stop just kvetching and actually act.

    , @Macumazahn
    Exactly right. It's funny (or would be, if it weren't so sad) how the Left's complaint of "Russian meddling" boils down to, "If only the Russians hadn't revealed the truth about the Clinton campaign, she'd be President today." At first, some of them tried to claim that the hacked/leaked emails were fake, but that line of BS was soon replaced with the equally-unsubstantiated "collusion" narrative.
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  24. @Jake
    Yes, indeed.

    But we need to make certain that your use of the word 'mafiosi' does not lead anyone to assume that group has more than a handful of Italians. Jews, WASPs, and continental Germanics each will outnumber Italians by at least 30 to 1.

    “You must be working for the CIA.
    They wouldn’t have you in the Ma-Fi-A”

    1960′s song lyric from “Why can’t we be friends”

    Same as it ever was
    Same as it ever was
    Same as it ever was.

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    Same as it ever was.
     
    Yup. It's always deja vu all over again.

    And people continue to get duped again and again and again.
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  25. Fascinating …..

    My old brain that was alive in the 60′s, remembers the lyric.
    But the first link I find on Google’s youtube is a version that removes the above lyric, instead just echoing the title endlessly.

    That’s the modern world ….. all real content removed from what you find on the internet.

    Here’s a better version.

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  26. @jacques sheete

    I wonder if groupthink exists.
     
    It probably does as do group psychoses and group fantasies..

    Anyone who’s ever served in a beuaracracy knows that groupthink exists.

    Take a bunch of mediocre minds. And, they do exist, as Garrison Keiler once famously made a joke out of with his line … Welcome to Lake Woebegone, where all the children are above average.

    Take that bunch of mediocre thinkers, and then make most of them obsessed with their own career advancement above all else. The most dangerous place for a career-obsessed individual is outside the group consensus. If everyone is wrong, then there is safety in the group. After all, if they are wrong, so was everyone else in the organization. Thus they are immune to attack and censure for being wrong. But if someone takes a position outside of the group consensus, that can be a career-ending move if they are wrong, as now everyone else will be in the I-told-U-So camp. And even if they are correct, they will still be hated and shunned just for being the person who pointed out to the group that they are wrong.

    So, you take your typical average mind, and not only do they not have any great insights of their own, but they tend to stick to the group out of sheer survival … and then when you take a mass of these mediocre minds you have ‘groupthink’.

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    … and then when you take a mass of these mediocre minds you have ‘groupthink’.
     
    And when you have inadequate emotional development you get group psychoses and group fantasies.
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  27. @Philip Giraldi
    Wiz - Here is an article I did on the Deep State two years ago. It was one of the first in the US media looking at the issue. It would have to be updated now in light of Trump, but much of what it states is still more-or-less correct.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/deep-state-america/

    Thank you. As you have my sparingly conferred respect i thank you even before reading it:-)

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  28. Eticon says:
    @CalDre
    If only Trump would really clean the swamp - particularly the neo-cons and other traitors and globalists. One can dream ....

    What we’ve learned from Trump is that ‘Draining the Swamp’ will take more than an individual. It will take a political movement.

    One sees this on the fringes of politics. Someone gets the idea of running for President, and they point out all that is wrong. But, they focus only on their own campaign, their own goal, and they thus gloss over the fact that they’ll be outnumbered and powerless even if they win.

    Seen this often on the Left. The most recent example is Bernie Sanders. Likewise, had Bernie been elected President, he too would face an entrenched establishment and media with only a small fraction of the Congress supporting him.

    Change has to be built from the bottom up. There are no shortcuts. Electing a Trump, or a Nader or a Bernie does not lead to real change. Step one is to build the political movement such that it has real voting block power and which has already won voting majorities in the legislature before the movement achieves the election of a President.

    What Trump has needed to be doing for this first two years is to form clear divisions that he could then take to his voters in the mid-term elections. He’s needed to lay out his own agenda. So what if he loses votes in Congress? He then takes that agenda back to the voters in 2018 with a nationwide slate of Congressional candidates who support that agenda and runs a midterm campaign asking the voters to help him drain that swamp.

    So, for instance, Trump should veto the act of war known as the recent sanctions bill. Who cares if it gets overridden? Then he goes back to the voters, who are clearly sick of endless war and who for obvious reasons don’t want a nuclear war, and he says this is where I stand. Support me by electing Fill-In-The-Blank to Congress. With the nuclear Doomsday Clock pushing ever closer to midnight, he might just win that fight over the big money and media opposition he’s sure to face.

    Not only has Trump failed to even try to fight the Deep State, but he’s also failing to set himself up for success in the next elections.

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    Change has to be built from the bottom up.
     
    There you have it. It's the only change that has ever counted, and it's a never ending process.

    There are no saviors, gurus or fairy godmothers.

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  29. @Jake
    You are responsible only for telling the truth and warning. Trump's naivete is his failing.

    Hey Jake,

    It is a serious error to consider President Trump “naive.”

    What we are seeing now is The Donald’s role in the serial Zionist THEATER.

    Think deeper about the motive behind Mr. Giraldi’s choice to use the Orwellian word “Groupthink” in characterizing the CIA zeitgeist?

    In the classic work “1984,” one observes Big Brother as the catalyst in control of the proles’ thought pattern & subsequent action.

    To rise & FALL as a POTUS is a matter of theater and the American proles are entertained by the political for either 4 or 8 years and the Zionists get their next Chosen actor/actress dramatically sworn in on a bible.

    Mr. Trump is neither naive nor stupid. Sheldon Adelson would not donate $millioms to any POTUS wannabe who could not effectively lead the American Groupthink tradition.
    Subsequently, the politcal horror show is brought to you in the understandable form of the perptually elusive Deep State which gets annual Academy Award.

    Beware the fake, Jake! ,

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  30. Joe Hide says:

    I agree with Your take on intelligence services in that they must be putting something in their drinking water.
    Good article. Keep contributing.

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  31. schrub says:

    Dean Acheson seems to have been the only one in the Truman administration to have even slightly worried when the wartime OSS started morphing in the CIA at the end of World War Two.

    He was right to have worried. Among other things, the present day CIA is now totally infested by Israeli spies at all levels. They have formed what amounts to an secret, uncontrollable, parallel administration There is no way of fixing it and it should be abolished for this reason alone.

    John Judis wrote this article over a decade ago advocating its abolition..

    http://carnegieendowment.org/2005/12/20/case-for-abolishing-cia-pub-17846

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  32. anon says: • Disclaimer

    In such a global world is Russian recruitment so far fetched, or Chinese, Pakistani. Mexican, Somalian, Indian, etc? Representatives are elected to represent the interests of the people in their districts, just like we have our first Somalian Muslim woman. There are Cubans to represent the Cuban people and their interests, Mexicans for Mexicans, Africans for Africans etc. What did people expect would happen? How can the intelligence community vet any person when we’re all so international and socialism is the new name of the game. The intelligence communities no longer have a purpose outside of chasing down the haters of globalism, the racists, nationalists and bigots. There are so many people and groups with international ties and I’m not sure any of them think about intelligence or secrets. Then there are so many people and groups that just prefer their own people and really don’t even like the country. Oh! It won’t be long now.
    Once the country loses it’s identity and cohesion it will become increasing irrelevant and picked apart by all the other controlling interests. I think eventually you will get overshadowed by the bigger international organizations and this country will become the United State of America and a failed one. History will see it like the others and having made the same mistakes.
    Well that’s just my opinion.

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  33. My objection is to the word ‘think’.
    Thinking requires analysis, a group is a herd, with a herd opinion, herd prejudice.
    Groups cannot think.

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    'Groupmoo'?
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  34. @Jake
    Of course the US Deep State must hate Russia.

    First, Jews have a very long history of hating Russia and Russians. That never changed. The USSR was not Russia; the USSR was Marxism replacing Russia. Jews tended to love that. Rich Jews from across the world, from the US and the UK of most interest to us, sent money to support the Bolshevik Revolution.

    Russia managed to survive the USSR and is slowly coming back around to Russian common sense from the Christian perspective. Neither Jews nor their WASP BFFs can ever forgive that. They want Russia to act now to commit cultural and genetic suicide, like Western Europe and the entire Anglosphere are doing.

    The USSR was a Talmudist experiment. Communism was Talmudism/Judaism. So after 70 plus years of agonizing with that system, Mother Russia survived and shaked it off, and now as a new Russia, it is going forward on its own, with its old traditions coming back to life. Thus Talmudist of all ranks hate the defeat they suffered at the hands of the Putin the Great. So it is a rejoicing of humanity when the enemies of the people, are defeated, once again after Isabel of Spain once defeated them also.

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  35. Group think? The CIA is a psychotic murderer. An abomination. But then so is the United States Senate.

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  36. eah says:

    Perhaps ‘swampthink’ is a better term at this point in time.

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  37. That unanimity of thinking is what is peculiar while academics like Stephen Cohen, Stephen Walt, Andrew Bacevich, and John Mearsheimer, who have studied Russia in some depth and understand the country and its leadership far better than a senior CIA officer, detect considerable nuance in what is taking place.

    Out of four respectable people mentioned here, only Stephen Cohen can be considered a “true” Russian scholar since he has a much greater than any US “Russian scholar” understanding of Soviet period. This knowledge is primarily responsible for his academic position on Russia’s affairs. Yet, an ultimate failure of the American Russia’s “scholarship”, including people mentioned above, with the exception of Cohen, to correctly assess the scale and ramifications of the processes taking place in Russia is one of the indicators of a rather sad state of the affairs in this field. We will see more of those failures coming soon. The problem is with the spyglass, not with the subject being observed.

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  38. @Bernie voter
    How "Russiagate" began ......

    After the primaries, both Hillary and Donald faced divided political parties even though they had won the nomination. These divisions were worse than the normal situation after contested primaries. On the Democratic side, Hillay had just subverted the will of the voters of her party, who seemed to favor Bernie Sanders over her. Hillay had won with corrupt collusion and rigging amongst the DNC, the higher ranks of the Democratic Party, and major media such as the NYT and CNN.

    Then, a leak of emails from the DNC HQ publicized her interference in the democratic processes of the Democratic Party. This threatened to ene the Hillary for President campaign right then and there. If the majority of Democrats who'd favored Bernie refused to support Hillary because of her corruption and collusion in denying democracy within the party, she was a sure loser in the fall election.

    The Hillary camp then immediately started blaming Russia for the exposure of her corruption and rigging of the Democratic process. And that's how "Russiagate" began.

    So get Bernie to act per the VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals For Sanity) report that states that the DNC was leaked not hacked. That means that Sen. Bernie Sanders needs to call for investigation into the role of Brennan per Obama’s weaponizing of the intelligence communities against Russia.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/

    Bernie supporters, and those who have been sickened by his capitulation to the warmongers needs to make a big fuss about this, to stop the coup, ongoing right now, that included the dirty tricks campaign against Bernie.

    Bernie has the chance to be the leader he thinks he is but needs to stop just kvetching and actually act.

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  39. Rurik says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz
    Being resistant to jargon and catch phrases it is only slowly that I have accepted that "Deep State" is not entirely pretentious waffle when used to describe aspects of the US. However I may not be your only reader PG who would appreciate a clear explanatory description of the American Deep State and how it works.

    Here are some suggested parameters.

    The term is appropriated from the use to describe the mutually loyal corps of Ataturkians in the Turkish military and intelligence services who were united in service to uphold the ideal of Ataturkian secular modernisation. The term implies no public accountability or publicity unnecessary to its purposes.
    And its origins imply that it is not just one in a number of major influences ln government or those who vote for it.

    So one has to acknowledge that in the US the Deep State has to be different in the important respect that levers of power are observably wielded by lobbies for the aged, gun owners and sellers, Israel, Wall Street, bio fuels, sugar and other ag, pharmaceuticals, oil and gas, the arms industry, Disney and other Hollywood and media, health insurers and the medical profession, and I could go on. These are all relevant to legal events like votes on impeachment or to hold up appointments. The CIA and FBI together completely united (and note how disunited 9/11 showed them to be) wouldn't remotely approach the old Turkish Deep State's ability to stage a coup. Are all of the putative elements of the Deep State together today as powerful as J.Edgar Hoover with his dirt files on everyone? (A contrast and compare exercise of today's presumed Deep State configuration and modus operandi with the simpler Hoover days might shine some light on who does what and how today. And how effectively).

    To avoid lack of focus can a convincing account of the US Deep State be best given in terms of a plausible scenario for
    1. getting rid of Trump as President and/or
    2. maintaining the lunacy and hubris which has the US wasting its substance on totally unnecessary antagonistic relations with China and Russia and interference in the ME?
    I would read such accounts with great interest. (Handwavers need not apply).

    Being resistant to jargon and catch phrases it is only slowly that I have accepted that “Deep State” is not entirely pretentious waffle when used to describe aspects of the US.

    not just the US wiz, but Australia (and Canada) too!

    if you want to know how the deepstate works, this little video here is a perfect example

    the most important decision a government can make is to send its young people off to die- slaughtering and maiming and displacing and torturing other people- because they present an immediate and direct threat to the safety and well-being, if not the very existence of your own people.

    now when we watch that video, we can all see that both the heads of the governments of Canada and Australia were shilling lies for war on behalf of the zio-deepstate – that wanted to destroy Iraq (and Libya and Syria.. and “seven countries”) on behalf of Israel. Duh.

    so you see wiz, that is evidence that your country is not run by the visible people in government and media, but by behind-the-scenes scumfucks and war pigs.

    if you want evidence of what an honorable, non-deepstate government looks like, here you are:

    (you’re welcome ; )

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    Interim reply till I can look at the YouTubes you link

    Australia went to war in Iraq in 2003 because PM John Howard wanted to suck up to George W. Bush and not because Australia has a Deep State. That's the simple vulgar version. More formally the Cabinet went along with Australia again lining up for war beside (or behind) Ametica because the US is/was seen by virtually all conventional politicians as essential to Australia's security.
    , @eD
    Rurik has done as a service by posting the "dueling puppets" video, but a point of nitpicking pedantry is in order. The video is correct that the Australian PM at the time was a neocon puppet. But the Canadian neocon puppet shown, Stephen Harper, was then the Leader of the Opposition and not running the government. The actual Canadian PM, a shrewd pol named Jean Chretien, kept Canada out of the Iraq War over the objections of much of the Canadian establishment.
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  40. Alden says:
    @Philip Giraldi
    Wiz - Here is an article I did on the Deep State two years ago. It was one of the first in the US media looking at the issue. It would have to be updated now in light of Trump, but much of what it states is still more-or-less correct.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/deep-state-america/

    Philip,

    The Italians have always suspected that the Red Brigades bombings of the 1980s were a CIA front designed to turn Europeans against Russia, Marxism and revolutions. There were always tumors that the CIA, not the Red Brigades were responsible for the summer of 1984 Bolgna train station bombing that killed more than 80 people and wounded dozens more.
    Do you know anything about the CIA and the Red Brigades?

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    This is from the Parallel History Project investigation of the cold war period at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (Switzerland's premier university).


    Secret Warfare : Operation Gladio and NATO's Stay-Behind Armies
    http://www.php.isn.ethz.ch/lory1.ethz.ch/collections/colltopic448a.html?lng=en&id=15301&nav1=1&nav2=3&nav3=3

    Synopsis of the Book
    http://www.php.isn.ethz.ch/lory1.ethz.ch/collections/coll_gladio/synopsis76c1.html?navinfo=15301
    Chapter One: A terrorist attack in Italy

    This chapter describes the discovery of the secret stay-behind army “Gladio” in Italy. The chapter takes the reader back to the Peteano terrorist attack of 31 May 1972. In that year an anonymous phone call after the attack suggested that the left-wing terrorist organization “Red Brigades” had carried out the atrocity, and for many years Italy believed that the crime had been carried out by the political left. Yet in 1984 Italian judge Felice Casson reopened the Peteano case after having discovered large-scale manipulations. The chapter describes how Casson during his investigations discovered the Italian secret stay-behind army “Gladio” hidden within the military secret service and how it had linked up with right-wing terrorist Vincenzo Vinciguerra who confessed to having carried out the Peteano terrorist attack. The chapter focuses on the agitated Italian public debate that followed when Vinciguerra exposed the so called “strategy of tension” through which members of the secret stay-behind armies and the military secret services had manipulated the public through terrorism. The secret armies supplied right wing terrorists with explosives to carry out terrorist attacks on the Italian population who were thereafter blamed on the communist party and the political left in general in order to discredit the political opponent. "The terrorist line was followed by camouflaged people, people belonging to the security apparatus, or those linked to the state apparatus through rapport or collaboration”, Vincenzo Vinciguerra testified. Right-wing organisations across Western Europe “were being mobilised into the battle as part of an anti-communist strategy originating not with organisations deviant from the institutions of power, but from the state itself, and specifically from within the ambit of the state's relations within the Atlantic Alliance."

    Chapter Three: The silence of NATO, CIA and MI6
    The chapter also records how the foreign secret service of the United States, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), has somewhat inconsistently both commented and refused to comment on its stay-behind armies in Western Europe. William Colby, Director of the CIA from 1973 to 1976, in his book Honorable Men related that the covert action branch of the CIA, the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC), had after World War Two “undertaken a major program of building, throughout those Western European countries that seemed likely targets for Soviet attack, what in the parlance of the intelligence trade were known as 'stay-behind nets', clandestine infrastructures of leaders and equipment trained and ready to be called into action as sabotage and espionage forces when the time came.” Several years later Admiral Stansfield Turner, director of the CIA from 1977 to 1981, strictly refused to answer any questions about Gladio in a television interview in Italy in December 1990. When with respect for the victims of the terrorist attacks the journalist insisted and repeated the question the former CIA director angrily ripped off his microphone and shouted: "I said, no questions about Gladio!" whereupon the interview was over. The chapter also relates how academics at the distinguished National Security Archive at George Washington University in Washington filed a Freedom of Information (FOIA) request with the CIA on 15 April 1991 which was declined. It also notes how a FOIA request which the author handed in on 14 December 2000 was first declined, whereupon the author appealed to which the CIA replied that it will provide an answer in the future which is still lacking. The chapter also details that the British foreign secret service MI6 with its legendary obsession for secrecy did not take a position on stay-behind questions at all but confirmed its involvement through a somewhat unusual channel in the “secret wars” exhibition in the London based Imperial War Museum in 1995.....
    , @hyperbola
    But, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Remember that the present head of the European Commission (Jean-Claude Juncker) was forced to resign as Prime Minister of Luxembourg for lying to his Parliament about NATO/CIA (Gladio) bombings in Luxembourg (about a year before he became head of the commission).

    Luxembourg Government Forced To Resign Over GLADIO False Flag Attack Linked Scandal
    http://wideshut.co.uk/luxembourg-government-forced-to-resign-over-gladio-false-flag-attack-linked-scandal/
    Operation GLADIO – NATO’s abhorrent post WWII strategy of secretly carrying out terrorist attacks and blaming them on communists, has resurfaced and brought the Government of Luxembourg to its knees.

    On Wednesday Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker announced his resignation after a parliamentary committee concluded that his administration had lost control over the country’s intelligence service, SREL (Service de Renseignement de l’État du Luxembourg), a rogue entity that has been bugging senior politicians, illegally spying on citizens and generally operating above the law for decades.....
    , @RobinG
    The Italians aren't the only suspicious ones.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NECdFJygaxc
    NATOs Gladio Assassination of former Italian PM Aldo Moro May1978 - Webster Tarpley

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntB_VoBkwuE
    EuroNews - Interview - The truth about Aldo Moro's murder?
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  41. Rurik says: • Website

    had been handed over by foreign intelligence services, including the British, Dutch and Estonians,

    Putin and the Russians are fools

    all they would need to do is repudiate the crimes and horrors of the Soviet regime, and make conciliatory gestures to Estonia (and Poland and Ukraine, etc..) and all the other former satellite states that suffered (just as Russians suffered) during that demonic, evil, Orwellian period of Marxist domination, genocide and slavery.

    (what is communism if not being forced by men with guns to toil for the benefit of others? Is that not that the very definition of slavery?)

    why not tell the former satellite states that Russia will help fund the destruction of the Soviet abominations/monuments that profane their sacred soil? And are reminders of a painful period of evil that pervaded their lands and imposed such misery.

    why not tell Estonia that its Russian-speaking population, (imposed on Estonia during the Soviet madness) are welcome home in mother Russia, or encouraged to learn the local language and assimilate.

    There is no reason for Russians to feel that this sane and reasonable rapprochement impugns their character (or that of their grandfathers) or that the Nazis were great. All it does is allow Estonians to also honor their grandfathers too, who while fighting against the Red Army rapists, were not fighting for Nazi Germany, but were fighting to keep all invaders out of their respective countries.

    But too many of the bone-headed Russians are too enthralled with the (idiotic and erroneous) narrative of Russians as “liberators”, that they’re willing to tweak the hostility of people in places like Estonia to the point that Estonians are willing to make a deal with the devil himself to protect themselves from an unrepentant Russia, for the myriad crimes and atrocities that even so many Russian people suffered.

    Russia and Eastern Europe are finally, at long last free!

    (The Jews are over here now ; )

    its time to bury the hatchet and sing your collective praises and let out a sigh of collective relief. Russia and Hungary and Slovakia are looking like some of the best places around in the dying (murdered) Western world.

    celebrate your freedom and get along for God’s sake. By hanging on to stupid, feel-good narratives, you’re only enabling the Fiend to create war and strife in your lands. Didn’t it do enough of that in the last century?!

    make nice, Russia and Estonia, but the onus is on Russia to stop honoring the monuments to the Red Army Rapists. Melt them down and use the bronze to create statues of Solzhenitsyn and church domes for an ascendant Eastern Orthodox religion for all Eastern Europeans and Russians too. Christian brothers, when John McCain isn’t over there doing what John likes to do.

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    My thoughts exactly, though I could not possibly have phrased it as well. This "Great Patriotic War" garbage has to be re-thought by the Russians or, as you say, strife will continue unabated.

    True, with Russia now being backed into a tight corner by the SOBs in the USA (and Tel Aviv?) they might be hanging on to the World War 2 Soviet narrative to keep the people in the right kind of mood to defend their land should the idiots in Washington start something. That is a possible explanation. Then again there are far too many hot heads in Moscow who want to do dumb things like punish Poland for wanting to remove old pro-Soviet statues. It's depressing to say the least.

    Anyway, great comment, Rurik.
    , @CanSpeccy

    why not tell the former satellite states that Russia will help fund the destruction of the Soviet abominations/monuments that profane their sacred soil? And are reminders of a painful period of evil that pervaded their lands and imposed such misery.
     
    Obviously, because restoring Russian hegemony over the Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine, etc. is Russian policy. All of those territories, plus Georgia, Armenia, Moldova, the central Asian republics, Finland, etc. were all part of the Russian empire in the past and if Russia has its way, will be once again. It has been Russia's age old policy to retreat into the vast hinterland when under intolerable outside pressure, to resume expanding when the opportunity arises. As Putin said, the collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical disaster of the 20th Century, as it undoubtedly was for Putin's KGB and the Soviet hierarchy, who have every intention of reversing the disaster.

    Both the US and Russia are tyrannical empires, armed to the teethe and intent of expansion. There is absolutely no reason to suppose that the two of them will not continue the struggle for control of Europe and Central Asia indefinitely.
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  42. Vault 8 says: • Website

    CIA’s Trump hysteria is actually quite rational. CIA has one vital interest: impunity. And CIA impunity is under threat from all sides:

    * Legally mandated NARA records release bearing on CIA’s 1963 coup d’état;

    * International legal pursuit (in inter alia Italy, Spain, and Canada, with international civil society including CCR and CJR) of systematic and widespread CIA torture and disappearance amounting to crimes against humanity;

    * Concerted civil society legal challenges to CIA’s serious crimes (including Abdul Wahed Shannan Al Rabbat v. Blair, Saleh v. Bush, and prospective JASTA suits,) which, when quashed, will support ICC admissibility of crimes the state is unwilling or unable to prosecute;

    * NWC and BWC treaty bodies openly denouncing US proliferation, effected by CIA assets such as Marc Grossman, Will Cathcart, and Robert Garry, in the 2015 NWC Review Conference and in ministerial-level Russian statements exposing US efforts to thwart the object and purpose of the BWC.

    And now, after a quarter century of CIA cadres installed to head the executive (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama,) a president under insecure control takes office. Of course CIA has to destroy him.

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  43. hyperbola says:
    @Alden
    Philip,

    The Italians have always suspected that the Red Brigades bombings of the 1980s were a CIA front designed to turn Europeans against Russia, Marxism and revolutions. There were always tumors that the CIA, not the Red Brigades were responsible for the summer of 1984 Bolgna train station bombing that killed more than 80 people and wounded dozens more.
    Do you know anything about the CIA and the Red Brigades?

    This is from the Parallel History Project investigation of the cold war period at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (Switzerland’s premier university).

    Secret Warfare : Operation Gladio and NATO’s Stay-Behind Armies

    http://www.php.isn.ethz.ch/lory1.ethz.ch/collections/colltopic448a.html?lng=en&id=15301&nav1=1&nav2=3&nav3=3

    Synopsis of the Book

    http://www.php.isn.ethz.ch/lory1.ethz.ch/collections/coll_gladio/synopsis76c1.html?navinfo=15301

    Chapter One: A terrorist attack in Italy

    [MORE]

    This chapter describes the discovery of the secret stay-behind army “Gladio” in Italy. The chapter takes the reader back to the Peteano terrorist attack of 31 May 1972. In that year an anonymous phone call after the attack suggested that the left-wing terrorist organization “Red Brigades” had carried out the atrocity, and for many years Italy believed that the crime had been carried out by the political left. Yet in 1984 Italian judge Felice Casson reopened the Peteano case after having discovered large-scale manipulations. The chapter describes how Casson during his investigations discovered the Italian secret stay-behind army “Gladio” hidden within the military secret service and how it had linked up with right-wing terrorist Vincenzo Vinciguerra who confessed to having carried out the Peteano terrorist attack. The chapter focuses on the agitated Italian public debate that followed when Vinciguerra exposed the so called “strategy of tension” through which members of the secret stay-behind armies and the military secret services had manipulated the public through terrorism. The secret armies supplied right wing terrorists with explosives to carry out terrorist attacks on the Italian population who were thereafter blamed on the communist party and the political left in general in order to discredit the political opponent. “The terrorist line was followed by camouflaged people, people belonging to the security apparatus, or those linked to the state apparatus through rapport or collaboration”, Vincenzo Vinciguerra testified. Right-wing organisations across Western Europe “were being mobilised into the battle as part of an anti-communist strategy originating not with organisations deviant from the institutions of power, but from the state itself, and specifically from within the ambit of the state’s relations within the Atlantic Alliance.”

    Chapter Three: The silence of NATO, CIA and MI6
    The chapter also records how the foreign secret service of the United States, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), has somewhat inconsistently both commented and refused to comment on its stay-behind armies in Western Europe. William Colby, Director of the CIA from 1973 to 1976, in his book Honorable Men related that the covert action branch of the CIA, the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC), had after World War Two “undertaken a major program of building, throughout those Western European countries that seemed likely targets for Soviet attack, what in the parlance of the intelligence trade were known as ‘stay-behind nets’, clandestine infrastructures of leaders and equipment trained and ready to be called into action as sabotage and espionage forces when the time came.” Several years later Admiral Stansfield Turner, director of the CIA from 1977 to 1981, strictly refused to answer any questions about Gladio in a television interview in Italy in December 1990. When with respect for the victims of the terrorist attacks the journalist insisted and repeated the question the former CIA director angrily ripped off his microphone and shouted: “I said, no questions about Gladio!” whereupon the interview was over. The chapter also relates how academics at the distinguished National Security Archive at George Washington University in Washington filed a Freedom of Information (FOIA) request with the CIA on 15 April 1991 which was declined. It also notes how a FOIA request which the author handed in on 14 December 2000 was first declined, whereupon the author appealed to which the CIA replied that it will provide an answer in the future which is still lacking. The chapter also details that the British foreign secret service MI6 with its legendary obsession for secrecy did not take a position on stay-behind questions at all but confirmed its involvement through a somewhat unusual channel in the “secret wars” exhibition in the London based Imperial War Museum in 1995…..

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  44. hyperbola says:
    @Alden
    Philip,

    The Italians have always suspected that the Red Brigades bombings of the 1980s were a CIA front designed to turn Europeans against Russia, Marxism and revolutions. There were always tumors that the CIA, not the Red Brigades were responsible for the summer of 1984 Bolgna train station bombing that killed more than 80 people and wounded dozens more.
    Do you know anything about the CIA and the Red Brigades?

    But, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Remember that the present head of the European Commission (Jean-Claude Juncker) was forced to resign as Prime Minister of Luxembourg for lying to his Parliament about NATO/CIA (Gladio) bombings in Luxembourg (about a year before he became head of the commission).

    Luxembourg Government Forced To Resign Over GLADIO False Flag Attack Linked Scandal

    http://wideshut.co.uk/luxembourg-government-forced-to-resign-over-gladio-false-flag-attack-linked-scandal/

    Operation GLADIO – NATO’s abhorrent post WWII strategy of secretly carrying out terrorist attacks and blaming them on communists, has resurfaced and brought the Government of Luxembourg to its knees.

    On Wednesday Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker announced his resignation after a parliamentary committee concluded that his administration had lost control over the country’s intelligence service, SREL (Service de Renseignement de l’État du Luxembourg), a rogue entity that has been bugging senior politicians, illegally spying on citizens and generally operating above the law for decades…..

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    Thanks, I and the kids were in the Bologna train station the week before the bombing and I'll never forget it.

    There were bombs all over Europe. At least the boys enjoyed joking about the unattended parcel signs
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  45. annamaria says:

    How the FBI and the “elite media” including the New York Times, the Washington Post and CNN have made a laughing stock out the US and have endangered the US national security:

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/01/did-hillary-scapegoat-russia-to-save-her-campaign/

    “In the biggest and most politically-explosive investigation in more than a decade, an investigation that has obvious national security implications– alleged cyber-espionage by a hostile foreign power, alleged collusion by high-ranking officials in the current administration, alleged treason or collusion on part of the Chief Executive, and the possible impeachment of a sitting president– the FBI has not yet secured or examined the servers that may or may not provide compelling forensic evidence of cyber-intrusion by Russia.
    Why? Why would the FBI accept the analysis of some flunky organization that no one has ever heard of before (Crowdstrike) rather than use all the tools at their disposal to thoroughly investigate whether or not the hacking actually took place or not? Isn’t that their job?… The reason the FBI never insisted on examining the DNC servers, is because they knew the story was baloney from the get go. Otherwise, they would have kicked down the doors at the DNC, seized the computers through brute force, and arrested anyone who tried to stop them. Those computers are Exhibit A in the Trial of the Century. They should be under lock and key at FBI Headquarters not collecting cobwebs in the basement of the DNC-HQ. The fact that the servers have not been seized and examined just proves what a joke this whole Russia-deal really is. … when a law enforcement agency like the FBI fails so conspicuously in carrying out its duties, you have to assume that other factors are involved, mainly politics.”

    Meanwhile, A Pakistani family has been collecting sensitive national security information directly from the US Congresspeople (the Awan brothers had access to the emails of the entire House of Representatives), while receiving the overblown salaries from the Democrats. This greatest breach in national cyber security does not produce a peep out of any major news outlet. http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-awan-brothers-compromised-at-least-80-congregational-computers-and-got-paid-5-million-to-do-it-we-may-never-know-the-extent-of-the-breach/

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  46. annamaria says:

    The US national security and the CIA/FBI indifference to it:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449983/debbie-wasserman-schultz-pakistani-computer-guys-bank-fraud

    (Non-Russian) “Awan and his family cabal of fraudsters had access for years to the e-mails and other electronic files of members of the House’s Intelligence and Foreign Affairs Committees:”
    “Democrats now say that any access to sensitive information was “unauthorized.” But how hard could it have been to get “unauthorized” access when House Intelligence Committee Dems wanted their staffers to have unbounded access? In 2016, they wrote a letter to an appropriations subcommittee seeking the funding so their staffers could obtain “Top Secret — Sensitive Compartmented Information” clearances. TS/SCI is the highest-level security classification. Awan family members were working for a number of the letter’s signatories. Democratic members, of course, would not make such a request without coordination with leadership.”
    The hysterical ziocons at NYT and Washington Post do not recognize any danger if the superior ziocons do not put a marker “Russian” on it.

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  47. Corvinus says:
    @Realist
    As has been the case for decades the Deep State allows Presidents and legislators to make minor decisions in our government as long as those decisions do not in any way interfere with the Deep State's goals of total world hegemony and increase in overwhelming power and wealth. Those who make the important decisions in this country are not elected. The elected 'officials' are sycophants of the Deep State.

    “As has been the case for decades the Deep State allows Presidents and legislators to make minor decisions in our government as long as those decisions do not in any way interfere with the Deep State’s goals of total world hegemony and increase in overwhelming power and wealth.”

    Assuming this phenomenon to be true:

    1) if you vote, why?;
    2) why are you not running for political office to stop their machinations -and-
    3) why are you not organizing efforts to consistently disrupt it to ensure a better future for your children?**

    By organizing efforts, I mean being out in the open to inform people of the Deep State’s plans.

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  48. @Chris Bridges
    I am a retired CIA operations officer (something none of the men mentioned by Giraldi are - Brennan was a failed wanna be, couldn't cut it as an ops officer). He is spot on in his comments. The majority of people in the CIA, the ones who do the heavy lifting, are patriotic Americans who are proud of serving their country. I am sure that most voted for Trump as they all know too well the truth about the Clintons and Obama.
    Giraldi is not the only one to notice the upward progress of the most incompetent yes-men in the Agency. A close look at most of them reveals a track record of little or no operational success balanced by excellent sucking up skills. These characters quickly figured out how to get ahead and doing your job in the field is not it. Of course, most are ego maniacs so they are totally oblivious to their own uselessness.
    Well before he was elected I had a letter delivered to President Trump in which I outlined in detail what would happen to him if he did not immediately purge the CIA of these assholes. I know that at least some people on his staff read it but, of course, my advice was ignored. Trump has paid dearly for not listening to an ordinary CIA guy who wanted to give him a reality brief on those vicious snakes.

    To expand on the Chris Bridges theme, CIA and auto industry have some common problems. Latter once had car guys (like Bob Lutz who knew and loved the product). They got leapfrogged by finance guys (like GM cookiecutter dudes Roger Smith or Rick Wagner) who knew numbers but lacked the fire in the belly to understand the product. Spies are like that as well. Operations knowledge and car knowledge both reinforce the old saying that The Map Is Not The Territory. Many wannabe CIA masters of the universe deskjockeys like Brennan rely on GPS instead of knowing field work like plain old map reading and terrain scouting. Let them start with changing a tire to see if they even can, then work up to an oil change.

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  49. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    If Donald Trump (“I am the most militaristic person ever“) were the Pentagon’s (deep state) representative, charged with responsibility for resting foreign policy control from the CIA, the hostility of the CIA for Trump would follow naturally.

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  50. RobinG says:
    @Alden
    Philip,

    The Italians have always suspected that the Red Brigades bombings of the 1980s were a CIA front designed to turn Europeans against Russia, Marxism and revolutions. There were always tumors that the CIA, not the Red Brigades were responsible for the summer of 1984 Bolgna train station bombing that killed more than 80 people and wounded dozens more.
    Do you know anything about the CIA and the Red Brigades?

    The Italians aren’t the only suspicious ones.

    NATOs Gladio Assassination of former Italian PM Aldo Moro May1978 – Webster Tarpley

    EuroNews – Interview – The truth about Aldo Moro’s murder?

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    OMG!!!!

    Thanks, I went to Europe about every 2 years in those days. Saw 3 bombings in one 6 week trip. Bologna train station bomb was frightening because we were in that train station the week before.

    The bombing was the first week of Italian school vacation. The schools take kids on trips that first week and usually by train.
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  51. @Bernie voter
    How "Russiagate" began ......

    After the primaries, both Hillary and Donald faced divided political parties even though they had won the nomination. These divisions were worse than the normal situation after contested primaries. On the Democratic side, Hillay had just subverted the will of the voters of her party, who seemed to favor Bernie Sanders over her. Hillay had won with corrupt collusion and rigging amongst the DNC, the higher ranks of the Democratic Party, and major media such as the NYT and CNN.

    Then, a leak of emails from the DNC HQ publicized her interference in the democratic processes of the Democratic Party. This threatened to ene the Hillary for President campaign right then and there. If the majority of Democrats who'd favored Bernie refused to support Hillary because of her corruption and collusion in denying democracy within the party, she was a sure loser in the fall election.

    The Hillary camp then immediately started blaming Russia for the exposure of her corruption and rigging of the Democratic process. And that's how "Russiagate" began.

    Exactly right. It’s funny (or would be, if it weren’t so sad) how the Left’s complaint of “Russian meddling” boils down to, “If only the Russians hadn’t revealed the truth about the Clinton campaign, she’d be President today.” At first, some of them tried to claim that the hacked/leaked emails were fake, but that line of BS was soon replaced with the equally-unsubstantiated “collusion” narrative.

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    “If only the Russians hadn’t revealed the truth about the Clinton campaign, she’d be President today.”

    She may have been President today if the election had been fairly conducted?

    “And it’s deadly. Doubtless, Crosscheck delivered Michigan to Trump who supposedly “won” the state by 10,700 votes. The Secretary of State’s office proudly told me that they were “very aggressive” in removing listed voters before the 2016 election. Kobach, who created the lists for his fellow GOP officials, tagged a whopping 417,147 in Michigan as potential double voters.”
    http://www.gregpalast.com/trump-picks-al-capone-vote-rigging-investigate-federal-voter-fraud/
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  52. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @exiled off mainstreet
    In jumping this fascist nihilist shark, the groupthinkers have closed themselves off from the logical conclusion to their viewpoint, which is final annihilation.

    http://www.atimes.com/article/putins-shock-therapy-may-help-trump-bury-russia-story/

    ” Kushner’s clear, precise and convincing account of what really occurred during the campaign and after the election has left many of President Trump’s loudest enemies trying to quietly back out of the room unnoticed. Cable news airtime and in-print word count dedicated to the nonexistent collusion story appear to be dwindling. Democrats and their allies in the media seem less eager to talk about it. Democrats and their allies in the media seem less eager to talk about it… They are stammering. And it hasn’t taken long for news producers and editors to realize that the story is fading. At last, the story that never was is not happening.

    No doubt the issue will continue to be irresistible to some of Trump’s haters. Some will never believe the truth, no matter what else is revealed. “

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  53. Art says:
    @polistra
    Nothing new. In the '50s CIA was making foreign wars and cultivating chaos at home, and blaming all of it on Russia. In the '80s CIA was cultivating anti-nuke groups to undermine Reagan, and blaming it on Russia. CIA has been the primary wellspring of evil for a long time.

    Nothing new. In the ’50s CIA was making foreign wars and cultivating chaos at home, and blaming all of it on Russia. In the ’80s CIA was cultivating anti-nuke groups to undermine Reagan, and blaming it on Russia. CIA has been the primary wellspring of evil for a long time.

    People need to get this – the CIA is trouble for America and the world.

    It must be broken up – it must be put out of business.

    We have sixteen other spook agencies – let them spook – but not make policy – not change leadership in other countries. That is NOT America’s job – period.

    Do DEFENSE – not offence.

    Peace — Art

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    Good comment, Art.

    It's hard for me to consider shutting down the CIA while letting the evil Military-Industrial-Security Complex run amok.

    They feed off one another and meanwhile, elected ZUSA politicians daily give them the hearts & heads of citizens who cling to the illusion of a moral & just system of government.

    Yes... patriotic Americans who frequently comment here @ Unz Review are enemies of the ZUSA state. It's America's job to become aware of what's sodomizing Lady Liberty.
    , @annamaria
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-west-and-international-terrorism/5601928
    "The Global War on Terror delivered by the United States since 2001 Caused the Death of 1.3 Million People according to a Report entitled “Body Count: Casualty Figures After 10 Years of the War on Terror” Organizations International Association of Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War (IPPNW, 1985 Nobel Peace Prize), Physicians for Social Responsibility and Physicians for Global Survival. This report asserts, based on various sources, including governmental, that the death toll of 1.3 million deaths is “a low estimate” and does not take into account other countries in conflict (Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Syria ). 500 deaths a day in Iraq.
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  54. Alden says:
    @RobinG
    The Italians aren't the only suspicious ones.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NECdFJygaxc
    NATOs Gladio Assassination of former Italian PM Aldo Moro May1978 - Webster Tarpley

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntB_VoBkwuE
    EuroNews - Interview - The truth about Aldo Moro's murder?

    OMG!!!!

    Thanks, I went to Europe about every 2 years in those days. Saw 3 bombings in one 6 week trip. Bologna train station bomb was frightening because we were in that train station the week before.

    The bombing was the first week of Italian school vacation. The schools take kids on trips that first week and usually by train.

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  55. Alden says:
    @hyperbola
    But, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Remember that the present head of the European Commission (Jean-Claude Juncker) was forced to resign as Prime Minister of Luxembourg for lying to his Parliament about NATO/CIA (Gladio) bombings in Luxembourg (about a year before he became head of the commission).

    Luxembourg Government Forced To Resign Over GLADIO False Flag Attack Linked Scandal
    http://wideshut.co.uk/luxembourg-government-forced-to-resign-over-gladio-false-flag-attack-linked-scandal/
    Operation GLADIO – NATO’s abhorrent post WWII strategy of secretly carrying out terrorist attacks and blaming them on communists, has resurfaced and brought the Government of Luxembourg to its knees.

    On Wednesday Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker announced his resignation after a parliamentary committee concluded that his administration had lost control over the country’s intelligence service, SREL (Service de Renseignement de l’État du Luxembourg), a rogue entity that has been bugging senior politicians, illegally spying on citizens and generally operating above the law for decades.....

    Thanks, I and the kids were in the Bologna train station the week before the bombing and I’ll never forget it.

    There were bombs all over Europe. At least the boys enjoyed joking about the unattended parcel signs

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  56. @Art

    Nothing new. In the ’50s CIA was making foreign wars and cultivating chaos at home, and blaming all of it on Russia. In the ’80s CIA was cultivating anti-nuke groups to undermine Reagan, and blaming it on Russia. CIA has been the primary wellspring of evil for a long time.
     
    People need to get this - the CIA is trouble for America and the world.

    It must be broken up - it must be put out of business.

    We have sixteen other spook agencies - let them spook - but not make policy - not change leadership in other countries. That is NOT America's job - period.

    Do DEFENSE - not offence.

    Peace --- Art

    Good comment, Art.

    It’s hard for me to consider shutting down the CIA while letting the evil Military-Industrial-Security Complex run amok.

    They feed off one another and meanwhile, elected ZUSA politicians daily give them the hearts & heads of citizens who cling to the illusion of a moral & just system of government.

    Yes… patriotic Americans who frequently comment here @ Unz Review are enemies of the ZUSA state. It’s America’s job to become aware of what’s sodomizing Lady Liberty.

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    Wiki: The traditional view of the Westphalian system is that the Peace of Westphalia was an agreement to respect the principle of territorial integrity. In the Westphalian system, the national interests and goals of states (and later nation-states) were widely assumed to go beyond those of any citizen or any ruler.
     
    The Treaty of Westphalian is the backbone of international law. It is the system that gives nations sovereignty over themselves.

    The CIA breaks that treaty everyday by interfering in other country’s internal affairs.

    Why is the head of the CIA flying around the world pushing his nose in other people’s countries?

    The CIA has become a power center in our government – this is wrong.

    The Department of State is the boss of foreign policy – The CIA must report to the State Department – period – it must not be making policy on its own.

    The CIA is the enemy of sovereignty both in America and the world.

    It must go!

    Peace --- Art
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  57. HBM says:
    @Philip Giraldi
    Wiz - Here is an article I did on the Deep State two years ago. It was one of the first in the US media looking at the issue. It would have to be updated now in light of Trump, but much of what it states is still more-or-less correct.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/deep-state-america/

    Got any inside track on the Awan/Debbie Schultz/Seth Rich situation?

    My money is on the Awans being ISI working with Mossad Schultz.

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    Most likely. This is why the MSM is totally silent on this matter -- the greatest breach of national security. Israel-firsters would be displeased if another fact of betrayal of the US interests for the benefit of Israel come to light. http://thesaker.is/the-neoconservatives-and-the-coming-world-a-response-to-the-questions-of-a-virtual-friend/
    "...since 9-11, a small group of neo-conservatives –many of whom are senior officials in the Defense Department, National Security Council and Office of the Vice President– have effectively gutted–they would say reformed–traditional American foreign and security policy. After reviewing the internal security backgrounds of some of the best known among them, he concludes that they had dual agendas while professing to work for the internal security of the United States against its terrorist enemies. ... since the long-forgotten days when the State Department’s Middle East policy was run by a group of so-called Arabists, U.S. policy on Israel and the Arab world “has increasingly become the purview of officials well known for tilting toward Israel”. These people, “who can fairly be called Israeli loyalists, are now at all levels of government, from desk officers at the Defense Department to the deputy secretary level at both State and Defense, as well as on the National Security Council staff and in the vice president’s office”.
    An examination of the cast of characters in Bush administration policymaking circles...reveals a “startlingly pervasive network of pro-Israel activists, and an examination of the neocons’ voluminous written record shows that Israel comes up constantly as a neocon reference point, always mentioned with the United States as the beneficiary of a recommended policy, always linked with the United States when national interests are at issue”.
    The two authors [Christisons] point out to a telling example of the drafting by Feith, Perle, and both David and Meyrav Wurmser of a policy paper issued, in 1996, by an Israeli think tank and written for newly elected Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu. Through this document, they urged Israel “to make a ‘clean break’ from the pursuit of the peace process, particularly its land-for-peace aspects, which the authors regarded as a prescription for Israel’s annihilation”. The document’s authors saw the principal threat to Israel coming, we should not be surprised to discover now, from Iraq and Syria and advised that focusing on the removal of Saddam Hussein would kill two birds with one stone by also thwarting Syria’s regional ambitions."

    Here we are, with the $trilions of wasted money from US taxpayers pockets and with the enormous moral pain for the wounded and killed Americans, Iraqis, Syrians, and Libyans, in the name of Eretz Israel.
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  58. @Rurik

    Being resistant to jargon and catch phrases it is only slowly that I have accepted that “Deep State” is not entirely pretentious waffle when used to describe aspects of the US.
     
    not just the US wiz, but Australia (and Canada) too!

    if you want to know how the deepstate works, this little video here is a perfect example

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFEudf8NOuY

    the most important decision a government can make is to send its young people off to die- slaughtering and maiming and displacing and torturing other people- because they present an immediate and direct threat to the safety and well-being, if not the very existence of your own people.

    now when we watch that video, we can all see that both the heads of the governments of Canada and Australia were shilling lies for war on behalf of the zio-deepstate - that wanted to destroy Iraq (and Libya and Syria.. and "seven countries") on behalf of Israel. Duh.

    so you see wiz, that is evidence that your country is not run by the visible people in government and media, but by behind-the-scenes scumfucks and war pigs.

    if you want evidence of what an honorable, non-deepstate government looks like, here you are:

    https://img.rt.com/files/2017.04/original/58e7e663c4618801168b4591.jpg

    (you're welcome ; )

    Interim reply till I can look at the YouTubes you link

    Australia went to war in Iraq in 2003 because PM John Howard wanted to suck up to George W. Bush and not because Australia has a Deep State. That’s the simple vulgar version. More formally the Cabinet went along with Australia again lining up for war beside (or behind) Ametica because the US is/was seen by virtually all conventional politicians as essential to Australia’s security.

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    Your wilful ignorance/trolling never ceases to amaze me. Every time I think you've reached the zenith of idiocy you soar above it by a long shot. Keep it up, if only for my amusement. Thanks.
    , @Rurik

    Australia went to war in Iraq in 2003 because PM John Howard wanted to suck up to George W. Bush and not because Australia has a Deep State.
     
    yea, who wouldn't want to suck up to that idiotic, murderous chimp?

    you want to know what a non-deepstate leader sounds like?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDR3nmptdEo


    More formally the Cabinet went along with Australia again lining up for war beside (or behind) Ametica because the US is/was seen by virtually all conventional politicians as essential to Australia’s security.
     
    pure bullshit wiz

    security from whom?

    Russia? Who shot down the passenger jet?

    remember that?

    the entire Australian government and media were running around like their wigs were in fire shouting 'Putin did it!!'

    when it was all (deepstate) lies, and we all knew it ;)
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  59. @Wizard of Oz
    Interim reply till I can look at the YouTubes you link

    Australia went to war in Iraq in 2003 because PM John Howard wanted to suck up to George W. Bush and not because Australia has a Deep State. That's the simple vulgar version. More formally the Cabinet went along with Australia again lining up for war beside (or behind) Ametica because the US is/was seen by virtually all conventional politicians as essential to Australia's security.

    Your wilful ignorance/trolling never ceases to amaze me. Every time I think you’ve reached the zenith of idiocy you soar above it by a long shot. Keep it up, if only for my amusement. Thanks.

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    You remain in character with precision. But given your arrogant assurance, again well illustrated, would you pls attempt to earn whatever credit might attach to your showing yourslf able to articulate what you disagree with in what I wrote and then explaining why it is wrong or worse.

    Perhaps you have a fantasy of an Australian Deep State wherein the heads of ASIS and ASIO and Chiefs of Staff and Police Commisdioners have plans and ideology and get them executed by politicians. You can say so if you like but I already know you are an outsider, and probably a loser, one who once had a chànce to bstter himaelf. (Which also means your resort to insults is barely piss off a ducks back).
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  60. There are Palestinians as a specific people.

    But there is also ‘Palestinians’ as a Metaphor.

    Just like ADL and AIPAC protect Zionist hatred against Palestinians Rights and seek to shut down BDS movement, Youtube(controlled by Google Zionists) now goes against anti-globalists. And they use Proglodytes as their goons.

    These Zionists who peddle gangsta rap that use the term ‘ni**er’ a million times removed a Youtube video because Spencer used the term in discussion.

    We are all ‘Palestinians’.

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  61. annamaria says:
    @Art

    Nothing new. In the ’50s CIA was making foreign wars and cultivating chaos at home, and blaming all of it on Russia. In the ’80s CIA was cultivating anti-nuke groups to undermine Reagan, and blaming it on Russia. CIA has been the primary wellspring of evil for a long time.
     
    People need to get this - the CIA is trouble for America and the world.

    It must be broken up - it must be put out of business.

    We have sixteen other spook agencies - let them spook - but not make policy - not change leadership in other countries. That is NOT America's job - period.

    Do DEFENSE - not offence.

    Peace --- Art

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-west-and-international-terrorism/5601928

    “The Global War on Terror delivered by the United States since 2001 Caused the Death of 1.3 Million People according to a Report entitled “Body Count: Casualty Figures After 10 Years of the War on Terror” Organizations International Association of Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War (IPPNW, 1985 Nobel Peace Prize), Physicians for Social Responsibility and Physicians for Global Survival. This report asserts, based on various sources, including governmental, that the death toll of 1.3 million deaths is “a low estimate” and does not take into account other countries in conflict (Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Syria ). 500 deaths a day in Iraq.

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  62. @NoseytheDuke
    Your wilful ignorance/trolling never ceases to amaze me. Every time I think you've reached the zenith of idiocy you soar above it by a long shot. Keep it up, if only for my amusement. Thanks.

    You remain in character with precision. But given your arrogant assurance, again well illustrated, would you pls attempt to earn whatever credit might attach to your showing yourslf able to articulate what you disagree with in what I wrote and then explaining why it is wrong or worse.

    Perhaps you have a fantasy of an Australian Deep State wherein the heads of ASIS and ASIO and Chiefs of Staff and Police Commisdioners have plans and ideology and get them executed by politicians. You can say so if you like but I already know you are an outsider, and probably a loser, one who once had a chànce to bstter himaelf. (Which also means your resort to insults is barely piss off a ducks back).

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  63. annamaria says:
    @HBM
    Got any inside track on the Awan/Debbie Schultz/Seth Rich situation?

    My money is on the Awans being ISI working with Mossad Schultz.

    Most likely. This is why the MSM is totally silent on this matter — the greatest breach of national security. Israel-firsters would be displeased if another fact of betrayal of the US interests for the benefit of Israel come to light. http://thesaker.is/the-neoconservatives-and-the-coming-world-a-response-to-the-questions-of-a-virtual-friend/
    “…since 9-11, a small group of neo-conservatives –many of whom are senior officials in the Defense Department, National Security Council and Office of the Vice President– have effectively gutted–they would say reformed–traditional American foreign and security policy. After reviewing the internal security backgrounds of some of the best known among them, he concludes that they had dual agendas while professing to work for the internal security of the United States against its terrorist enemies. … since the long-forgotten days when the State Department’s Middle East policy was run by a group of so-called Arabists, U.S. policy on Israel and the Arab world “has increasingly become the purview of officials well known for tilting toward Israel”. These people, “who can fairly be called Israeli loyalists, are now at all levels of government, from desk officers at the Defense Department to the deputy secretary level at both State and Defense, as well as on the National Security Council staff and in the vice president’s office”.
    An examination of the cast of characters in Bush administration policymaking circles…reveals a “startlingly pervasive network of pro-Israel activists, and an examination of the neocons’ voluminous written record shows that Israel comes up constantly as a neocon reference point, always mentioned with the United States as the beneficiary of a recommended policy, always linked with the United States when national interests are at issue”.
    The two authors [Christisons] point out to a telling example of the drafting by Feith, Perle, and both David and Meyrav Wurmser of a policy paper issued, in 1996, by an Israeli think tank and written for newly elected Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu. Through this document, they urged Israel “to make a ‘clean break’ from the pursuit of the peace process, particularly its land-for-peace aspects, which the authors regarded as a prescription for Israel’s annihilation”. The document’s authors saw the principal threat to Israel coming, we should not be surprised to discover now, from Iraq and Syria and advised that focusing on the removal of Saddam Hussein would kill two birds with one stone by also thwarting Syria’s regional ambitions.”

    Here we are, with the $trilions of wasted money from US taxpayers pockets and with the enormous moral pain for the wounded and killed Americans, Iraqis, Syrians, and Libyans, in the name of Eretz Israel.

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  64. Art says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Good comment, Art.

    It's hard for me to consider shutting down the CIA while letting the evil Military-Industrial-Security Complex run amok.

    They feed off one another and meanwhile, elected ZUSA politicians daily give them the hearts & heads of citizens who cling to the illusion of a moral & just system of government.

    Yes... patriotic Americans who frequently comment here @ Unz Review are enemies of the ZUSA state. It's America's job to become aware of what's sodomizing Lady Liberty.

    Wiki: The traditional view of the Westphalian system is that the Peace of Westphalia was an agreement to respect the principle of territorial integrity. In the Westphalian system, the national interests and goals of states (and later nation-states) were widely assumed to go beyond those of any citizen or any ruler.

    The Treaty of Westphalian is the backbone of international law. It is the system that gives nations sovereignty over themselves.

    The CIA breaks that treaty everyday by interfering in other country’s internal affairs.

    Why is the head of the CIA flying around the world pushing his nose in other people’s countries?

    The CIA has become a power center in our government – this is wrong.

    The Department of State is the boss of foreign policy – The CIA must report to the State Department – period – it must not be making policy on its own.

    The CIA is the enemy of sovereignty both in America and the world.

    It must go!

    Peace — Art

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    Art,

    As you know, i admire your comments which often serve to educate.

    Please look deeper into who the CIA is accountable to in our ZUSA government.

    I do not like telling you how to think and do research, but the CIA is not accountable to the State Department.

    As your fact finding proceeds, yuu will come across the name of a key Zionist controlled U.S. Senator from Arkansas, Tom Corker.

    Keep in touch and please convey further insight?

    F,Y. I., I plan to search & determine if the CIA invests independent of firms like Goldman Sachs.

    Thanks!
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    Hersh is quite a piece of work, and I don't completely trust him.

    Another piece of work is Kim Dotcom, and his version of the story-- that he had had contact with Rich before he decided to leak and later used Dotcom as middleman to Wikileaks (which I actually find more credible)-- is very different from Hersh's version of events. One (or both of them, I guess) is lying.

    http://kim.com/

    Scroll down through the ridiculousness on the page a bit to get to the Seth Rich bit.

    Edit: this is the first time I've looked at his statement since it was new, and it is now seriously truncated. It still strikes me as more credible than Hersh.

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  66. Joe Wong says:
    @exiled off mainstreet
    In jumping this fascist nihilist shark, the groupthinkers have closed themselves off from the logical conclusion to their viewpoint, which is final annihilation.

    The Empire of Chaos is not exceptional at all, it is walking the same path as the dying days of the Roman Empire, during that time Praetorian Guard was the culprit, nowadays the security agency is the culprit of the Empire of Chaos’ down fall.

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  67. @Art

    Wiki: The traditional view of the Westphalian system is that the Peace of Westphalia was an agreement to respect the principle of territorial integrity. In the Westphalian system, the national interests and goals of states (and later nation-states) were widely assumed to go beyond those of any citizen or any ruler.
     
    The Treaty of Westphalian is the backbone of international law. It is the system that gives nations sovereignty over themselves.

    The CIA breaks that treaty everyday by interfering in other country’s internal affairs.

    Why is the head of the CIA flying around the world pushing his nose in other people’s countries?

    The CIA has become a power center in our government – this is wrong.

    The Department of State is the boss of foreign policy – The CIA must report to the State Department – period – it must not be making policy on its own.

    The CIA is the enemy of sovereignty both in America and the world.

    It must go!

    Peace --- Art

    Art,

    As you know, i admire your comments which often serve to educate.

    Please look deeper into who the CIA is accountable to in our ZUSA government.

    I do not like telling you how to think and do research, but the CIA is not accountable to the State Department.

    As your fact finding proceeds, yuu will come across the name of a key Zionist controlled U.S. Senator from Arkansas, Tom Corker.

    Keep in touch and please convey further insight?

    F,Y. I., I plan to search & determine if the CIA invests independent of firms like Goldman Sachs.

    Thanks!

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    Please look deeper into who the CIA is accountable to in our ZUSA government.

    I do not like telling you how to think and do research, but the CIA is not accountable to the State Department.
     

    When it comes to our troubles with the 15,000,000 strong Jew Matrix, there is not one truth – there are a million truths. We each, in our own way and experience, see a little different aspect of their evil.

    There are some seven million Jews in our country – you can be sure that millions of them will do something today, that favors the Jew tribe over America. Tomorrow will be the same.

    I enjoy what you see and write.

    Peace --- Art

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  68. @Jake
    Yes, indeed.

    But we need to make certain that your use of the word 'mafiosi' does not lead anyone to assume that group has more than a handful of Italians. Jews, WASPs, and continental Germanics each will outnumber Italians by at least 30 to 1.

    But we need to make certain that your use of the word ‘mafiosi’ does not lead anyone to assume that group has more than a handful …

    Bingo.

    It’s astonishing how much trouble a mere handful of ignorant, emotionally inadequate goons can cause. It’s almost depressing.

    Please note that I specified “bankster” mafiosi.They are composed of goyim as well as Jews and in my world ethnicity counts for little in that respect.

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  69. @Smash Mouth
    "You must be working for the CIA.
    They wouldn't have you in the Ma-Fi-A"

    1960's song lyric from "Why can't we be friends"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc&ytbChannel=Quasi%20Moto

    Same as it ever was
    Same as it ever was
    Same as it ever was.

    Same as it ever was.

    Yup. It’s always deja vu all over again.

    And people continue to get duped again and again and again.

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  70. @Beauracratic Mind
    Anyone who's ever served in a beuaracracy knows that groupthink exists.

    Take a bunch of mediocre minds. And, they do exist, as Garrison Keiler once famously made a joke out of with his line ... Welcome to Lake Woebegone, where all the children are above average.

    Take that bunch of mediocre thinkers, and then make most of them obsessed with their own career advancement above all else. The most dangerous place for a career-obsessed individual is outside the group consensus. If everyone is wrong, then there is safety in the group. After all, if they are wrong, so was everyone else in the organization. Thus they are immune to attack and censure for being wrong. But if someone takes a position outside of the group consensus, that can be a career-ending move if they are wrong, as now everyone else will be in the I-told-U-So camp. And even if they are correct, they will still be hated and shunned just for being the person who pointed out to the group that they are wrong.

    So, you take your typical average mind, and not only do they not have any great insights of their own, but they tend to stick to the group out of sheer survival ... and then when you take a mass of these mediocre minds you have 'groupthink'.

    … and then when you take a mass of these mediocre minds you have ‘groupthink’.

    And when you have inadequate emotional development you get group psychoses and group fantasies.

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  71. @Eticon
    What we've learned from Trump is that 'Draining the Swamp' will take more than an individual. It will take a political movement.

    One sees this on the fringes of politics. Someone gets the idea of running for President, and they point out all that is wrong. But, they focus only on their own campaign, their own goal, and they thus gloss over the fact that they'll be outnumbered and powerless even if they win.

    Seen this often on the Left. The most recent example is Bernie Sanders. Likewise, had Bernie been elected President, he too would face an entrenched establishment and media with only a small fraction of the Congress supporting him.

    Change has to be built from the bottom up. There are no shortcuts. Electing a Trump, or a Nader or a Bernie does not lead to real change. Step one is to build the political movement such that it has real voting block power and which has already won voting majorities in the legislature before the movement achieves the election of a President.

    What Trump has needed to be doing for this first two years is to form clear divisions that he could then take to his voters in the mid-term elections. He's needed to lay out his own agenda. So what if he loses votes in Congress? He then takes that agenda back to the voters in 2018 with a nationwide slate of Congressional candidates who support that agenda and runs a midterm campaign asking the voters to help him drain that swamp.

    So, for instance, Trump should veto the act of war known as the recent sanctions bill. Who cares if it gets overridden? Then he goes back to the voters, who are clearly sick of endless war and who for obvious reasons don't want a nuclear war, and he says this is where I stand. Support me by electing Fill-In-The-Blank to Congress. With the nuclear Doomsday Clock pushing ever closer to midnight, he might just win that fight over the big money and media opposition he's sure to face.

    Not only has Trump failed to even try to fight the Deep State, but he's also failing to set himself up for success in the next elections.

    Change has to be built from the bottom up.

    There you have it. It’s the only change that has ever counted, and it’s a never ending process.

    There are no saviors, gurus or fairy godmothers.

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  72. eD says:
    @Rurik

    Being resistant to jargon and catch phrases it is only slowly that I have accepted that “Deep State” is not entirely pretentious waffle when used to describe aspects of the US.
     
    not just the US wiz, but Australia (and Canada) too!

    if you want to know how the deepstate works, this little video here is a perfect example

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFEudf8NOuY

    the most important decision a government can make is to send its young people off to die- slaughtering and maiming and displacing and torturing other people- because they present an immediate and direct threat to the safety and well-being, if not the very existence of your own people.

    now when we watch that video, we can all see that both the heads of the governments of Canada and Australia were shilling lies for war on behalf of the zio-deepstate - that wanted to destroy Iraq (and Libya and Syria.. and "seven countries") on behalf of Israel. Duh.

    so you see wiz, that is evidence that your country is not run by the visible people in government and media, but by behind-the-scenes scumfucks and war pigs.

    if you want evidence of what an honorable, non-deepstate government looks like, here you are:

    https://img.rt.com/files/2017.04/original/58e7e663c4618801168b4591.jpg

    (you're welcome ; )

    Rurik has done as a service by posting the “dueling puppets” video, but a point of nitpicking pedantry is in order. The video is correct that the Australian PM at the time was a neocon puppet. But the Canadian neocon puppet shown, Stephen Harper, was then the Leader of the Opposition and not running the government. The actual Canadian PM, a shrewd pol named Jean Chretien, kept Canada out of the Iraq War over the objections of much of the Canadian establishment.

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    Stephen Harper, was then the Leader of the Opposition and not running the government
     
    isn't he the one who abased himself so notoriously?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzXB15LDCU0

    and even now, with the uber-liberal, icon of human rights..

    http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/trudeau-government-opposes-annual-un-onslaught-against-israel
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  73. Rurik says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz
    Interim reply till I can look at the YouTubes you link

    Australia went to war in Iraq in 2003 because PM John Howard wanted to suck up to George W. Bush and not because Australia has a Deep State. That's the simple vulgar version. More formally the Cabinet went along with Australia again lining up for war beside (or behind) Ametica because the US is/was seen by virtually all conventional politicians as essential to Australia's security.

    Australia went to war in Iraq in 2003 because PM John Howard wanted to suck up to George W. Bush and not because Australia has a Deep State.

    yea, who wouldn’t want to suck up to that idiotic, murderous chimp?

    you want to know what a non-deepstate leader sounds like?

    More formally the Cabinet went along with Australia again lining up for war beside (or behind) Ametica because the US is/was seen by virtually all conventional politicians as essential to Australia’s security.

    pure bullshit wiz

    security from whom?

    Russia? Who shot down the passenger jet?

    remember that?

    the entire Australian government and media were running around like their wigs were in fire shouting ‘Putin did it!!’

    when it was all (deepstate) lies, and we all knew it ;)

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    You do seem to ramble on from one subject to another barely related one after a casual assertion that something is BS that you clearly know nothing about.

    So what if, some years later our lamentable PM Tony Abbott did a macho act for political effect wrt Putin's or Russia's responsibility for the Malaysian Airlines shooting down. Why you should suggest that there was any other reason for that than bignoting himself for political advantage I cannot even guess. (It appears to be true anyway that Russia allowed a missile launcher to be driven into the eastern Ukraine where Russians or a local crew used ìt to bring down the civil aircraft as a blunder rather than out of mslice).
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  74. Rurik says: • Website
    @eD
    Rurik has done as a service by posting the "dueling puppets" video, but a point of nitpicking pedantry is in order. The video is correct that the Australian PM at the time was a neocon puppet. But the Canadian neocon puppet shown, Stephen Harper, was then the Leader of the Opposition and not running the government. The actual Canadian PM, a shrewd pol named Jean Chretien, kept Canada out of the Iraq War over the objections of much of the Canadian establishment.

    Stephen Harper, was then the Leader of the Opposition and not running the government

    isn’t he the one who abased himself so notoriously?

    and even now, with the uber-liberal, icon of human rights..

    http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/trudeau-government-opposes-annual-un-onslaught-against-israel

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  75. schmenz says:
    @Rurik

    had been handed over by foreign intelligence services, including the British, Dutch and Estonians,
     
    Putin and the Russians are fools

    all they would need to do is repudiate the crimes and horrors of the Soviet regime, and make conciliatory gestures to Estonia (and Poland and Ukraine, etc..) and all the other former satellite states that suffered (just as Russians suffered) during that demonic, evil, Orwellian period of Marxist domination, genocide and slavery.

    (what is communism if not being forced by men with guns to toil for the benefit of others? Is that not that the very definition of slavery?)

    why not tell the former satellite states that Russia will help fund the destruction of the Soviet abominations/monuments that profane their sacred soil? And are reminders of a painful period of evil that pervaded their lands and imposed such misery.

    why not tell Estonia that its Russian-speaking population, (imposed on Estonia during the Soviet madness) are welcome home in mother Russia, or encouraged to learn the local language and assimilate.

    There is no reason for Russians to feel that this sane and reasonable rapprochement impugns their character (or that of their grandfathers) or that the Nazis were great. All it does is allow Estonians to also honor their grandfathers too, who while fighting against the Red Army rapists, were not fighting for Nazi Germany, but were fighting to keep all invaders out of their respective countries.

    But too many of the bone-headed Russians are too enthralled with the (idiotic and erroneous) narrative of Russians as "liberators", that they're willing to tweak the hostility of people in places like Estonia to the point that Estonians are willing to make a deal with the devil himself to protect themselves from an unrepentant Russia, for the myriad crimes and atrocities that even so many Russian people suffered.

    Russia and Eastern Europe are finally, at long last free!

    (The Jews are over here now ; )

    its time to bury the hatchet and sing your collective praises and let out a sigh of collective relief. Russia and Hungary and Slovakia are looking like some of the best places around in the dying (murdered) Western world.

    celebrate your freedom and get along for God's sake. By hanging on to stupid, feel-good narratives, you're only enabling the Fiend to create war and strife in your lands. Didn't it do enough of that in the last century?!

    make nice, Russia and Estonia, but the onus is on Russia to stop honoring the monuments to the Red Army Rapists. Melt them down and use the bronze to create statues of Solzhenitsyn and church domes for an ascendant Eastern Orthodox religion for all Eastern Europeans and Russians too. Christian brothers, when John McCain isn't over there doing what John likes to do.

    My thoughts exactly, though I could not possibly have phrased it as well. This “Great Patriotic War” garbage has to be re-thought by the Russians or, as you say, strife will continue unabated.

    True, with Russia now being backed into a tight corner by the SOBs in the USA (and Tel Aviv?) they might be hanging on to the World War 2 Soviet narrative to keep the people in the right kind of mood to defend their land should the idiots in Washington start something. That is a possible explanation. Then again there are far too many hot heads in Moscow who want to do dumb things like punish Poland for wanting to remove old pro-Soviet statues. It’s depressing to say the least.

    Anyway, great comment, Rurik.

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  76. @Rurik

    Australia went to war in Iraq in 2003 because PM John Howard wanted to suck up to George W. Bush and not because Australia has a Deep State.
     
    yea, who wouldn't want to suck up to that idiotic, murderous chimp?

    you want to know what a non-deepstate leader sounds like?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDR3nmptdEo


    More formally the Cabinet went along with Australia again lining up for war beside (or behind) Ametica because the US is/was seen by virtually all conventional politicians as essential to Australia’s security.
     
    pure bullshit wiz

    security from whom?

    Russia? Who shot down the passenger jet?

    remember that?

    the entire Australian government and media were running around like their wigs were in fire shouting 'Putin did it!!'

    when it was all (deepstate) lies, and we all knew it ;)

    You do seem to ramble on from one subject to another barely related one after a casual assertion that something is BS that you clearly know nothing about.

    So what if, some years later our lamentable PM Tony Abbott did a macho act for political effect wrt Putin’s or Russia’s responsibility for the Malaysian Airlines shooting down. Why you should suggest that there was any other reason for that than bignoting himself for political advantage I cannot even guess. (It appears to be true anyway that Russia allowed a missile launcher to be driven into the eastern Ukraine where Russians or a local crew used ìt to bring down the civil aircraft as a blunder rather than out of mslice).

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    So what if, some years later our lamentable PM Tony Abbott did a macho act for political effect wrt Putin’s or Russia’s responsibility for the Malaysian Airlines shooting down.
     
    because Russia and Putin had nothing whatsoever to do with the plane getting shot down wiz, that's why.

    it was all deepstate theater and all based on idiotic lies.

    when your leaders are acting like dogs on the world's political stage, and soiling themselves trying to prove their fawning fealty to the deepstate fiend operating behind the scenes- creating the strife in the Ukraine in the first place, and getting caught on the phone deciding who is going to lead your little putsch; Yatz or Klitch, then when you talk about "shirt-fronting" Putin, as if he had anything to do with it, is just a very ignoble and sycophantic way for your leaders to conduct themselves.

    you can say Tony Abbott really thought Putin was responsible for shooting down the jet, but I don't think there's one person in a thousand that believes that wiz, and it just makes you look even more of a shill and apologist for that very same deepstate, (if that's possible ; )

    if Turnbull got a call today from Tel Aviv and was told to make a speech condemning Assad or Putin or whatever puerile bullshit they made up on a whim, you can be absolutely certain that he would in an instant call the press and have the makeup person ready

    , @NoseytheDuke
    You are in fine form today, Wiz, as you soar to ever greater heights of idiocy.

    First, you, the author of barely coherent, endlessly rambling and illogical sentences has the idiot gall to accuse another commenter of rambling. Then, to add insult to injury, the commenter you accuse is one who is regularly praised by various commenters for nailing the crux of a given topic. It is idiocy refined to a purity rarely encountered except to those also from your own hand.

    Second, Tony Abbott accused Putin within minutes of the news of the crash of MH17 being known. Clearly it was pre-scripted. I only wish Putin has sued him for slander so we could have watched him struggle to prove his claim. Same goes for 60 Minutes and their, now debunked, accusatory, slanderous and dangerous propaganda attempt.

    You are both an idiot and a troll because you cannot even troll convincingly.
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  77. Rurik says: • Website

    Thank you schmenz,

    occasionally I’ll pepper my comments with slightly provocative language in the hopes that it will amuse- or rile, as the case may be, so that reading them aren’t boring, even if perhaps exasperating.

    (I’d rather be exasperating than dull ; )

    so I left that little gibe about ‘the Jews’ in there, even tho I suppose it was of questionable etiquette

    obviously most Jews are perfectly decent and honorable people, and all the things I say about the ‘Fiend’ are just as true of the Fiend’s handmaidens like John McCain or the scum at the MIC.

    but then when I think about it, it does seem to me that Russia’s challenges in the last century were caused mostly by The Tribe.

    Sure, Tsar Nicolas, (like Woodrow Wilson) was an inept and inadequate man, but it seems that it was The Tribe that brought Russia to its knees. Like Hungary under Bela Kun, the suffering was incomprehensible.

    But Putin, like that guy ridding on a white horse, somehow managed to wrest Russia free from the Fiend’s Satanic grip, and has given Russia hope that it hasn’t had for a century.

    Why can’t he see that Poland, just as Russia, also suffered during those terrible generations?

    Why can’t Russians see that Ukrainian men (and Estonian and Cossacks and Latvians and so many others) fought against the Red Army Rapists for damn good reason. Katyn was their calling card. The Holodomor- their opus. Knowing what we know today, how can they still call the men who fought honorably against the Red Army Rapists – Nazis. They weren’t Nazis. They hated the Nazis! They only fought with the Nazis because they were the only game in town who stood a chance of standing up to the Soviet fiend.

    If I can know this, from half way across the planet, with no formal education, then how is it possible that the Russian people don’t know this?

    It all boils down to ethnic and tribal hatreds between Russians and Germans / Russians and Ukrainians, etc.. from age old petty resentments.

    and they are being cynically tweaked by the local PTB for provincial advantage, even as it’s causing them all to play right into the hands of John McCain and the Elders of Zion

    its beyond tragic

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  78. Rurik says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz
    You do seem to ramble on from one subject to another barely related one after a casual assertion that something is BS that you clearly know nothing about.

    So what if, some years later our lamentable PM Tony Abbott did a macho act for political effect wrt Putin's or Russia's responsibility for the Malaysian Airlines shooting down. Why you should suggest that there was any other reason for that than bignoting himself for political advantage I cannot even guess. (It appears to be true anyway that Russia allowed a missile launcher to be driven into the eastern Ukraine where Russians or a local crew used ìt to bring down the civil aircraft as a blunder rather than out of mslice).

    So what if, some years later our lamentable PM Tony Abbott did a macho act for political effect wrt Putin’s or Russia’s responsibility for the Malaysian Airlines shooting down.

    because Russia and Putin had nothing whatsoever to do with the plane getting shot down wiz, that’s why.

    it was all deepstate theater and all based on idiotic lies.

    when your leaders are acting like dogs on the world’s political stage, and soiling themselves trying to prove their fawning fealty to the deepstate fiend operating behind the scenes- creating the strife in the Ukraine in the first place, and getting caught on the phone deciding who is going to lead your little putsch; Yatz or Klitch, then when you talk about “shirt-fronting” Putin, as if he had anything to do with it, is just a very ignoble and sycophantic way for your leaders to conduct themselves.

    you can say Tony Abbott really thought Putin was responsible for shooting down the jet, but I don’t think there’s one person in a thousand that believes that wiz, and it just makes you look even more of a shill and apologist for that very same deepstate, (if that’s possible ; )

    if Turnbull got a call today from Tel Aviv and was told to make a speech condemning Assad or Putin or whatever puerile bullshit they made up on a whim, you can be absolutely certain that he would in an instant call the press and have the makeup person ready

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    And you can bet Turdbull would do it with his usual glib, smug, smirk while gesticulating wildly creating as much distraction to his speech as possible while adding his wussy, rising inflection to ensure that he speaks with as minimal gravitas as is possible. How he was ever labelled a good communicator is quite beyond me.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    I really can't be bothered dealing with this stuff that constantly misrepresents points which haave been made, and lack logic. Just try to work out whaaat i am saying by reference to your irrelevant comments about Tony Abbott's belief in Putin's responsibility which you say no one believes. So what has that got to do with what I was ssying? And Putin can reasonably asked to take responsibility if it was a Russian manned or suplllied missile launcher inside Ukraine which shot down MH17 as the five nation inquiry found.
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  79. annamaria says:

    The idiocy of groupthink at the CIA has been transferred to and cemented among the leading MSM presstitutes: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/10/leading-german-journalist-admits-cia-bribed-leaders-western-press.html
    “Most of the journalists you see in foreign countries … European or American journalists …, like me in the past, are so-called non-official cover…. The German and American media tries to bring war to the people in Europe, to bring war to Russia. … We live in a banana republic, and not in a democratic country where we have press freedom.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-28/top-german-journalist-admits-mainstream-media-completely-fake-we-all-lie-cia

    “Ever since Operation Mockingbird, a CIA-based initiative to control mainstream media, more and more people are expressing their concern that what we see in the media is nothing short of brainwashing. This is also evident by blatant lies that continue to spam the TV screen, especially when it comes to topics such as health, food, war (‘terrorism‘), poverty, and more.
    Things have not changed, in fact, when it comes to mainstream media distorting information and telling lies. They have gotten much worse in recent years, in fact, so it is highly encouraging that more people are starting to see through these lies, even without the help of whistleblowers like Dr. Ulfkotte.
    One great example is the supposed ‘war on terror,’ or ‘false flag terrorism.’ There are even Wikileaks documents alluding to the fact that the United States government planned to “retaliate and cause pain” to countries refusing GMOs. Mainstream media’s continual support of GMOs rages on, despite the fact that a number of countries are now banning these products.”
    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/05/23/gmo-colonization-of-ukraine.html The uniquely rich soil of Ukrainian steppes has been grabbed by Monsanto. Another gift from McCain the Tokyo Rose. “GMO-colonization of Ukraine:”

    There is no doubt that the NYT and Washington Post are mostly populated by the CIA assets.

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    The recent death of Udo Ulfkotte, shortly after publication of his book, Journalists for Hire: How the CIA Buys the News should put a chill on further revelations of that kind.

    His death, naturally, went unrecorded by either the New York Times or the Amazon Putz.

    That news of his death has been suppressed is not surprising. In fact to report his death would have led to bemusement since his allegations about CIA control of the German news media have been suppressed too.

    The US is not a free country. It is not a country at all. It is a global-control seeking-tyranny, with a contempt for the US Constitution and the means and resolve to kill anyone who gets in its way.
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  80. Yes, Rurik, “theater.”

    At present the Corporate Media.cunningly has attention fociused upom the Trump administration disarray, bumbling, grumblimg, head chopping.

    Consider the case of Ross Scaramucco who earlier this year addressed the grand Favos assembly?

    Thete he assured the audience that President Trimp is the “globalists greatest hope.”

    How is it REAL for Scaramucco to get an administration post & then mindlessly launch a vulgar tirade against colleague? One word, theater; the playing of a role for BIG pay & evil glory!

    How is that the 9/11 victim families never appear om “60 Minutes” and have an opportunity to discuss their law suit against Saudi Arabia? People must settle for gettong entertained with updates on O.J.’s case.

    Theater and war by deception! A great read is Le Carre’s “The Little Drummer Girl” to learn about mankind’s scripted political fate.

    Thanks!

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  81. annamaria says:

    Destroying the freedom of information in the US:
    “As Congress still swoons over the anti-Kremlin Magnitsky narrative, Western political and media leaders refuse to let their people view a documentary that debunks the fable,” by Robert Parry

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/02/a-blacklisted-film-and-the-new-cold-war/

    “Why is the U.S. mainstream media so frightened of a documentary that debunks the beloved story of how “lawyer” Sergei Magnitsky uncovered massive Russian government corruption and died as a result? If the documentary is as flawed as its critics claim, why won’t they let it be shown to the American public, then lay out its supposed errors, and use it as a case study of how such fakery works? Instead we – in the land of the free, home of the brave – are protected from seeing this documentary produced by filmmaker Andrei Nekrasov who was known as a fierce critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin but who in this instance found the West’s widely accepted Magnitsky storyline to be a fraud.”

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  82. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @annamaria
    The idiocy of groupthink at the CIA has been transferred to and cemented among the leading MSM presstitutes: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/10/leading-german-journalist-admits-cia-bribed-leaders-western-press.html
    "Most of the journalists you see in foreign countries … European or American journalists …, like me in the past, are so-called non-official cover.... The German and American media tries to bring war to the people in Europe, to bring war to Russia. ... We live in a banana republic, and not in a democratic country where we have press freedom."
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-28/top-german-journalist-admits-mainstream-media-completely-fake-we-all-lie-cia
    "Ever since Operation Mockingbird, a CIA-based initiative to control mainstream media, more and more people are expressing their concern that what we see in the media is nothing short of brainwashing. This is also evident by blatant lies that continue to spam the TV screen, especially when it comes to topics such as health, food, war (‘terrorism‘), poverty, and more.
    Things have not changed, in fact, when it comes to mainstream media distorting information and telling lies. They have gotten much worse in recent years, in fact, so it is highly encouraging that more people are starting to see through these lies, even without the help of whistleblowers like Dr. Ulfkotte.
    One great example is the supposed ‘war on terror,’ or ‘false flag terrorism.’ There are even Wikileaks documents alluding to the fact that the United States government planned to “retaliate and cause pain” to countries refusing GMOs. Mainstream media’s continual support of GMOs rages on, despite the fact that a number of countries are now banning these products."
    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/05/23/gmo-colonization-of-ukraine.html The uniquely rich soil of Ukrainian steppes has been grabbed by Monsanto. Another gift from McCain the Tokyo Rose. "GMO-colonization of Ukraine:"

    There is no doubt that the NYT and Washington Post are mostly populated by the CIA assets.

    The recent death of Udo Ulfkotte, shortly after publication of his book, Journalists for Hire: How the CIA Buys the News should put a chill on further revelations of that kind.

    His death, naturally, went unrecorded by either the New York Times or the Amazon Putz.

    That news of his death has been suppressed is not surprising. In fact to report his death would have led to bemusement since his allegations about CIA control of the German news media have been suppressed too.

    The US is not a free country. It is not a country at all. It is a global-control seeking-tyranny, with a contempt for the US Constitution and the means and resolve to kill anyone who gets in its way.

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    Paul Graig Roberts on Ulfkotte: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/08/02/memory-hole-goes-truth/
    "After Ulfkotte obtained his doctorate he was given a job as a reporter at “the leading conservative German newspaper, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, oddly appointed despite no journalistic training and hundreds of other applicants. Serving as a correspondent throughout the Middle East, Ulfkotte eventually became acquainted with agents from the CIA, German intelligence agency Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Britain’s MI6, and Israel’s Mossad, all of whom valued his ability to travel freely in countries largely closed to the West. His editors readily collaborated in such intelligence gathering operations, for which journalist possess “non-official cover” by virtue of their profession.
    “Non-official cover” occurs when a journalist is essentially working for the CIA, but it’s not in an official capacity,” Ulfkotte explains. “This allows both parties to reap the rewards of the partnership, while at the same time giving both sides plausible deniability. The CIA will find young journalists and mentor them. Suddenly doors will open up, rewards will be given, and before you know it, you owe your entire career to them. That’s essentially how it works.” He likewise ruefully admits to “publishing articles under my own name written by agents of the CIA and other intelligence services, especially the German secret service.”
    Ulfkotte’s insider knowledge of the relationship between mainstream media and the intelligence community has special relevance in terms of informing the CIA’s antipathy toward Wikileaks, as well as the media campaign centering on the Trump administration’s alleged “ties to Russia"...
    "Journalist for Hire: How the CIA Buys the News," the English translation: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Journalists-for-Hire-How-the-CIA-Buys-the-News/51190899?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&adid=22222222227044194779&wl0
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  83. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Rurik

    had been handed over by foreign intelligence services, including the British, Dutch and Estonians,
     
    Putin and the Russians are fools

    all they would need to do is repudiate the crimes and horrors of the Soviet regime, and make conciliatory gestures to Estonia (and Poland and Ukraine, etc..) and all the other former satellite states that suffered (just as Russians suffered) during that demonic, evil, Orwellian period of Marxist domination, genocide and slavery.

    (what is communism if not being forced by men with guns to toil for the benefit of others? Is that not that the very definition of slavery?)

    why not tell the former satellite states that Russia will help fund the destruction of the Soviet abominations/monuments that profane their sacred soil? And are reminders of a painful period of evil that pervaded their lands and imposed such misery.

    why not tell Estonia that its Russian-speaking population, (imposed on Estonia during the Soviet madness) are welcome home in mother Russia, or encouraged to learn the local language and assimilate.

    There is no reason for Russians to feel that this sane and reasonable rapprochement impugns their character (or that of their grandfathers) or that the Nazis were great. All it does is allow Estonians to also honor their grandfathers too, who while fighting against the Red Army rapists, were not fighting for Nazi Germany, but were fighting to keep all invaders out of their respective countries.

    But too many of the bone-headed Russians are too enthralled with the (idiotic and erroneous) narrative of Russians as "liberators", that they're willing to tweak the hostility of people in places like Estonia to the point that Estonians are willing to make a deal with the devil himself to protect themselves from an unrepentant Russia, for the myriad crimes and atrocities that even so many Russian people suffered.

    Russia and Eastern Europe are finally, at long last free!

    (The Jews are over here now ; )

    its time to bury the hatchet and sing your collective praises and let out a sigh of collective relief. Russia and Hungary and Slovakia are looking like some of the best places around in the dying (murdered) Western world.

    celebrate your freedom and get along for God's sake. By hanging on to stupid, feel-good narratives, you're only enabling the Fiend to create war and strife in your lands. Didn't it do enough of that in the last century?!

    make nice, Russia and Estonia, but the onus is on Russia to stop honoring the monuments to the Red Army Rapists. Melt them down and use the bronze to create statues of Solzhenitsyn and church domes for an ascendant Eastern Orthodox religion for all Eastern Europeans and Russians too. Christian brothers, when John McCain isn't over there doing what John likes to do.

    why not tell the former satellite states that Russia will help fund the destruction of the Soviet abominations/monuments that profane their sacred soil? And are reminders of a painful period of evil that pervaded their lands and imposed such misery.

    Obviously, because restoring Russian hegemony over the Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine, etc. is Russian policy. All of those territories, plus Georgia, Armenia, Moldova, the central Asian republics, Finland, etc. were all part of the Russian empire in the past and if Russia has its way, will be once again. It has been Russia’s age old policy to retreat into the vast hinterland when under intolerable outside pressure, to resume expanding when the opportunity arises. As Putin said, the collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical disaster of the 20th Century, as it undoubtedly was for Putin’s KGB and the Soviet hierarchy, who have every intention of reversing the disaster.

    Both the US and Russia are tyrannical empires, armed to the teethe and intent of expansion. There is absolutely no reason to suppose that the two of them will not continue the struggle for control of Europe and Central Asia indefinitely.

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    Both the US and Russia are tyrannical empires, armed to the teethe and intent of expansion. There is absolutely no reason to suppose that the two of them will not continue the struggle for control of Europe and Central Asia indefinitely.
     
    Hey CanS,

    you bring up a very interesting and gravely significant point. Are Putin and Russia intent on imperialism?

    And if so, are they really that f'n stupid that they think they can accomplish that by resurrecting the popularity of the Soviet Union?!

    If indeed, it ever had any popularity beyond the party members and their NYC financiers.

    Let's say for the moment that you're right, and that imperialism is in the Russian blood. Is there any possibility whatsoever, in this world or the next, that a significant percentage of the people of Ukraine (or Poland or Estonia..) are going to one day wake up and tell themselves, 'you know what.. life under Soviet, communist, Russian dominance wasn't so bad, let's bring it back!'

    I'm putting the chances of that at zero. And if so, then to what end are the Russians demanding that these nations honor obscene memorials to an occupation army and regime that genocided their ancestors by the millions in the most horrific ways possible. When it wasn't sending them to the gulags or imposing communist, (slavery) domination upon their daily lives.

    Can't we all at least agree that the Soviet madness was a nightmare, and repudiate it once and for all?!

    Putin has claimed overtly that Russia has no imperial ambitions

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russias-putin-we-dont-expect-sanctions-end-anytime-soon-n342561

    is he lying? Sure, he could be, but I've been paying attention to this guy for quite some time now, and he always seems to simply speak his mind and tell the truth. I've never seen him in a flat out lie, unlike the leaders of the West, who if they're talking... they're lying. Always. Every time. When has a leader of the West said anything true vis-a-vis Ukraine ever since the US destabilized the place as a thorn in Putin's side?

    they lie with their every stinking breath. Whereas Putin has been the only adult in the room. Of course he took Crimea! I would have too, if the people there overwhelmingly were begging me to do so, and for its strategic necessity against the Fiend.

    I don't know what's deep in the heart of Putin and Russians, I know a few, and I like them all. (including the Jewish ones I know) But I really don't see any upside to imposing those hated monuments on the satellite states. If there is strife over ethnic Russian speaking Russians living in Estonia and elsewhere, then that is a problem for diplomacy and politics, but is there a Russian alive who believes that one day the people of Estonia, (or Russia for that matter) are going to get all frosty eyed over the Soviet era and long for its return?

    Everything that was wrong with the Soviets is now true of the ZUSA/zio-occupied West. Racial hatred for its indigenous white people of ability. Jewish supremacist$ at the helm, driving bloodthirsty imperialism with zero regard for law or any notions of simply human decency.

    now it's all over here

    and everything I see and hear Russia and Putin saying (and doing!) are all in defense of the Rule of Law, especially International Law, and trying to get along and create stability and thrive and prosper.

    If Putin is arming up Russia, it would be insane not to, considering the posture of the drooling Fiend at its doorstep.

    so, let the monuments go. That's the first step toward reconciliation. Russia needs to repudiate the horrors and crimes of the Soviet Union, where so many millions of Russians also died in the gulags or were Keelhauled at Yalta.

    http://profcj.org/operation-keelhaul/

    http://havacuppahemlock1.blogspot.com/2013/03/operation-keelhaul-hidden-allied.html

    So, to recap, it is and has been the West that is waging aggressive wars all over the planet. It is and has been the zio-occupied west that is running terror drones over other people's and nation's sovereign skies and assassinating freedom fighters and murdering villagers willy-nilly. It is the west (the ZUSA in particular) that is operating a permanent and open torture camp. It is the West that has committed and continues to commit false flag attacks as an excuse to bomb countries and send them reeling into the stone age for generations.

    All of this unspeakable evil (and much, much more, like the funding of foreign invasion armies of young Muslim and other men to destroy Western culture and stability and injecting moral and spiritual pop-culture sewage into the youth, when it isn't foisting cheap heroin upon them) are all part and parcel of the Zio-West today, which I of course call The Fiend.

    And all of the hysteria and mindless blubbering manure about 'Putin shot down the plane!' or Putin is 'Hitler!' or 'Putin is invading Ukraine!' are all blatant devil's lies, and all emanating out of the same festering, feculent orifice of lies and murder and death and misery that has come to characterize the Zio-West today.

    whereas Putin and Russia have been doing all they can to arrest the international criminals who looted Russia blind, and restore order and hope to the Russian people, and bring back a culture of respect for traditions and heritage and honor, while augmenting a return of the Russian middle class.

    the stark contrast between the serial and myriad evils of the zio-west vs. everything Putin is doing could not be more glairing and grim.

    Putin tells the simple and obvious truth when he speaks.

    The Zio-West lies with every breath.

    Putin has been trying to bring stability and prosperity to his people and beyond.

    The Zio-West has been trying to bring strife and misery and death and horrors and war and war and war to their people and beyond.

    Putin has been giving the Russian people hope, while respecting International Law and other nation's borders, that he could overrun in a second if he (and the Duma and Russian people) had the will to do so.

    The Zio-West has been doing all it can to destroy all hope for its own people by looting their treasuries and foisting an immigration invasion and waging Eternal Wars and murdering and maiming and displacing millions upon millions of innocent men, women and children the world over, all while creating a culture of crass, Kardashian's ass, lowest common filth.

    do you really think that today there is an equivalence between Russia (as imperial hegemon) vs. the Zio-West?
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  84. annamaria says:
    @CanSpeccy
    The recent death of Udo Ulfkotte, shortly after publication of his book, Journalists for Hire: How the CIA Buys the News should put a chill on further revelations of that kind.

    His death, naturally, went unrecorded by either the New York Times or the Amazon Putz.

    That news of his death has been suppressed is not surprising. In fact to report his death would have led to bemusement since his allegations about CIA control of the German news media have been suppressed too.

    The US is not a free country. It is not a country at all. It is a global-control seeking-tyranny, with a contempt for the US Constitution and the means and resolve to kill anyone who gets in its way.

    Paul Graig Roberts on Ulfkotte: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/08/02/memory-hole-goes-truth/
    “After Ulfkotte obtained his doctorate he was given a job as a reporter at “the leading conservative German newspaper, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, oddly appointed despite no journalistic training and hundreds of other applicants. Serving as a correspondent throughout the Middle East, Ulfkotte eventually became acquainted with agents from the CIA, German intelligence agency Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Britain’s MI6, and Israel’s Mossad, all of whom valued his ability to travel freely in countries largely closed to the West. His editors readily collaborated in such intelligence gathering operations, for which journalist possess “non-official cover” by virtue of their profession.
    “Non-official cover” occurs when a journalist is essentially working for the CIA, but it’s not in an official capacity,” Ulfkotte explains. “This allows both parties to reap the rewards of the partnership, while at the same time giving both sides plausible deniability. The CIA will find young journalists and mentor them. Suddenly doors will open up, rewards will be given, and before you know it, you owe your entire career to them. That’s essentially how it works.” He likewise ruefully admits to “publishing articles under my own name written by agents of the CIA and other intelligence services, especially the German secret service.”
    Ulfkotte’s insider knowledge of the relationship between mainstream media and the intelligence community has special relevance in terms of informing the CIA’s antipathy toward Wikileaks, as well as the media campaign centering on the Trump administration’s alleged “ties to Russia”…
    “Journalist for Hire: How the CIA Buys the News,” the English translation: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Journalists-for-Hire-How-the-CIA-Buys-the-News/51190899?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&adid=22222222227044194779&wl0

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  85. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Wow!! This is great !!

    “During the later portion of a phone-call, by the world’s greatest investigative journalist, Seymour Hersh, Hersh has now presented “a narrative [from his investigation] of how that whole f**king thing began,” including who actually is behind the ‘RussiaGate’ lies, and of why they are spreading these lies.

    In a youtube video upload-dated August 1st, he reveals from his inside FBI and Washington DC Police Department sources — now, long before the Justice Department’s Special Counsel Robert Mueller will be presenting his official ‘findings’ to the nation — that the charges that Russia had anything to do with the leaks from the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s campaign to Wikileaks, that those charges spread by the press, were a CIA-planted lie, and that what Wikileaks had gotten was only leaks (including at least from the murdered DNC-staffer Seth Rich), and were not from any outsider (including ’the Russians’), but that Rich didn’t get killed for that, but was instead shot in the back during a brutal robbery, which occurred in the high-crime DC neighborhood where he lived. Here is the video, and here is the transcript of i”

    Global Research

    Eric Zuesse

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    And the link....

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/breaking-seymour-hersh-cracks-russiagate-as-cia-planted-lie-revenge-against-trump/5602295

    "UPDATE:


    The media-coverage of this matter is focusing on allegations that Seth Rich was murdered in order to silence him. All such media-coverage ignores much of what Hersh said on the phone (where Hersh makes clear that Rich was, indeed, murdered in a regular robbery), and therefore should be viewed as an example of what the Washington Post and others in the mainstream press call ‘fake news’, but which actually applies to themselves, on both the left and right, above all. "
     
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  86. Z-man says:

    ..academics like Stephen Cohen, Stephen Walt, Andrew Bacevich, and John Mearsheimer, who have studied Russia in some depth and understand the country and its leadership far better than a senior CIA officer,

    Ah Mearsheimer and Walt, two men I admire and you Philip Giraldi, keep up the good fight!

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  87. RobinG says:
    @anonymous
    Wow!! This is great !!

    "During the later portion of a phone-call, by the world’s greatest investigative journalist, Seymour Hersh, Hersh has now presented “a narrative [from his investigation] of how that whole f**king thing began,” including who actually is behind the ‘RussiaGate’ lies, and of why they are spreading these lies.

    In a youtube video upload-dated August 1st, he reveals from his inside FBI and Washington DC Police Department sources — now, long before the Justice Department’s Special Counsel Robert Mueller will be presenting his official ‘findings’ to the nation — that the charges that Russia had anything to do with the leaks from the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s campaign to Wikileaks, that those charges spread by the press, were a CIA-planted lie, and that what Wikileaks had gotten was only leaks (including at least from the murdered DNC-staffer Seth Rich), and were not from any outsider (including ’the Russians’), but that Rich didn’t get killed for that, but was instead shot in the back during a brutal robbery, which occurred in the high-crime DC neighborhood where he lived. Here is the video, and here is the transcript of i"

    Global Research

    Eric Zuesse

    And the link….

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/breaking-seymour-hersh-cracks-russiagate-as-cia-planted-lie-revenge-against-trump/5602295

    “UPDATE:

    The media-coverage of this matter is focusing on allegations that Seth Rich was murdered in order to silence him. All such media-coverage ignores much of what Hersh said on the phone (where Hersh makes clear that Rich was, indeed, murdered in a regular robbery), and therefore should be viewed as an example of what the Washington Post and others in the mainstream press call ‘fake news’, but which actually applies to themselves, on both the left and right, above all. “

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  88. @Wizard of Oz
    You do seem to ramble on from one subject to another barely related one after a casual assertion that something is BS that you clearly know nothing about.

    So what if, some years later our lamentable PM Tony Abbott did a macho act for political effect wrt Putin's or Russia's responsibility for the Malaysian Airlines shooting down. Why you should suggest that there was any other reason for that than bignoting himself for political advantage I cannot even guess. (It appears to be true anyway that Russia allowed a missile launcher to be driven into the eastern Ukraine where Russians or a local crew used ìt to bring down the civil aircraft as a blunder rather than out of mslice).

    You are in fine form today, Wiz, as you soar to ever greater heights of idiocy.

    First, you, the author of barely coherent, endlessly rambling and illogical sentences has the idiot gall to accuse another commenter of rambling. Then, to add insult to injury, the commenter you accuse is one who is regularly praised by various commenters for nailing the crux of a given topic. It is idiocy refined to a purity rarely encountered except to those also from your own hand.

    Second, Tony Abbott accused Putin within minutes of the news of the crash of MH17 being known. Clearly it was pre-scripted. I only wish Putin has sued him for slander so we could have watched him struggle to prove his claim. Same goes for 60 Minutes and their, now debunked, accusatory, slanderous and dangerous propaganda attempt.

    You are both an idiot and a troll because you cannot even troll convincingly.

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    Your second par does nothing but affirm that you do rightly consider yourself as belonging to a pretty rum lot.

    Your reference to Abbott confirma your outsider status. Didn't you know that Peta Credlin rang the PM and said "Grab it Tony. This is the big one. Get in first"? Ah, but now I feel naughty and can't resist since you have chosen to attach yourself to Rurik with his wild Deep State everywhere effusions. Do tell us Australia has a deep state and who is in it and how it works. (Interesting test question: has Andrew Wilkie ever dpoken of the Derp State and if not why not?). All outsiders know things lile that. (I'm reminded of a rather insignificant somewhat overweight small businessman who tried to big note himsef in solemn sotto voce terms at a political party branch meeting by confiding that he had been informed by someone present that our relatively new PM Hawke had fallen off the wagon. Come to think of it, was it you?).
    , @annamaria
    Please have mercy: It was already established that we are dealing with the age/psychological issues. Let him be.
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  89. @Rurik

    So what if, some years later our lamentable PM Tony Abbott did a macho act for political effect wrt Putin’s or Russia’s responsibility for the Malaysian Airlines shooting down.
     
    because Russia and Putin had nothing whatsoever to do with the plane getting shot down wiz, that's why.

    it was all deepstate theater and all based on idiotic lies.

    when your leaders are acting like dogs on the world's political stage, and soiling themselves trying to prove their fawning fealty to the deepstate fiend operating behind the scenes- creating the strife in the Ukraine in the first place, and getting caught on the phone deciding who is going to lead your little putsch; Yatz or Klitch, then when you talk about "shirt-fronting" Putin, as if he had anything to do with it, is just a very ignoble and sycophantic way for your leaders to conduct themselves.

    you can say Tony Abbott really thought Putin was responsible for shooting down the jet, but I don't think there's one person in a thousand that believes that wiz, and it just makes you look even more of a shill and apologist for that very same deepstate, (if that's possible ; )

    if Turnbull got a call today from Tel Aviv and was told to make a speech condemning Assad or Putin or whatever puerile bullshit they made up on a whim, you can be absolutely certain that he would in an instant call the press and have the makeup person ready

    And you can bet Turdbull would do it with his usual glib, smug, smirk while gesticulating wildly creating as much distraction to his speech as possible while adding his wussy, rising inflection to ensure that he speaks with as minimal gravitas as is possible. How he was ever labelled a good communicator is quite beyond me.

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    Beyond you certainly. But perhaps you are modestly not referring to his ability to communicate with the intelligent like those who helped him make a fortune, awarded him a Rhodes Scholarship snd appointed him MD? of Goldman Sachs in Australia. And doesn't the Spycatcher case come to mind as well as getting dozens of professional communicator colleaagues to elect him twice ss leader.

    He has his faults no question But wallow in your grandiosity expressed like the anonymous barks of the neighbourhood canine collective if it helps appease the resentment and envy an impotent loser feels in contemplating the customary over rewarded rise of the successful.
    , @Rurik

    And you can bet Turdbull would do it
     
    of course Duke, because Australia is just as deepstateⓊ controlled as the ZUSA (or Canada or England or Germany or France.. etc..)

    And wiz knows it. But he has a masochistic bent that keeps him coming back for more truth.

    he's like the perfect foil for the promulgation of truths he'd prefer not be promulgated, but by his persistence with his lies, he allows his posts to act as a springboard for the dissemination of truth far and wide.

    all hail the wiz! Viva la wiz!

    perhaps more than any other poster, he has (inadvertently) shown more people the lies about 9/11 and building seven, the lies about MH17 and the lies about the deepstateⓊ and its insidious control of our respective governments and media.

    perhaps no other poster has done more for truth and exposing the lies than the wiz, through his persistent (and pompous) foisting of easily repudiated lies.

    the world owes wiz a word of thanks

    we could not have done it without you buddy! ;)
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  90. @Rurik

    So what if, some years later our lamentable PM Tony Abbott did a macho act for political effect wrt Putin’s or Russia’s responsibility for the Malaysian Airlines shooting down.
     
    because Russia and Putin had nothing whatsoever to do with the plane getting shot down wiz, that's why.

    it was all deepstate theater and all based on idiotic lies.

    when your leaders are acting like dogs on the world's political stage, and soiling themselves trying to prove their fawning fealty to the deepstate fiend operating behind the scenes- creating the strife in the Ukraine in the first place, and getting caught on the phone deciding who is going to lead your little putsch; Yatz or Klitch, then when you talk about "shirt-fronting" Putin, as if he had anything to do with it, is just a very ignoble and sycophantic way for your leaders to conduct themselves.

    you can say Tony Abbott really thought Putin was responsible for shooting down the jet, but I don't think there's one person in a thousand that believes that wiz, and it just makes you look even more of a shill and apologist for that very same deepstate, (if that's possible ; )

    if Turnbull got a call today from Tel Aviv and was told to make a speech condemning Assad or Putin or whatever puerile bullshit they made up on a whim, you can be absolutely certain that he would in an instant call the press and have the makeup person ready

    I really can’t be bothered dealing with this stuff that constantly misrepresents points which haave been made, and lack logic. Just try to work out whaaat i am saying by reference to your irrelevant comments about Tony Abbott’s belief in Putin’s responsibility which you say no one believes. So what has that got to do with what I was ssying? And Putin can reasonably asked to take responsibility if it was a Russian manned or suplllied missile launcher inside Ukraine which shot down MH17 as the five nation inquiry found.

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    Just try to work out whaaat i am saying by reference to your irrelevant comments about Tony Abbott’s belief in Putin’s responsibility which you say no one believes.
     
    certainly not you wiz

    you don't believe for one second that Putin was responsible for the plane getting shot out of the sky. Any more than Tony Abbot does or did.

    In fact the very notion that Putin was responsible in any way is beyond preposterous and delves into the realm of dancing fairies, leprechauns and purple unicorns.

    sort of like 47 story modern steel frame buildings that go **poof** and plop into their basements in neat little piles to be scooped up and driven off with nicely cut beams just long enough to fit into the trucks for shipping off to China to be melted down before any forensic examination can be conducted to determine exactly what happened on that fateful day.

    by now few people are more aware of the impossibility of that than you wiz. Just as few people are more acutely aware of the deepstateⓊ treachery and Satanic treason of the Australian government who went along with war against Iraq, all based on lies, because doing so was perceived as 'good for the ....' huh wiz? And any government official who didn't agree with it all would be run out on a kosher rail.

    I've come to count on your dissembling as a nice distraction wiz. And, you are doing the work of truth and exposing crimes and ubiquitous criminality more than you know wiz. More than you know.

    thanks for that
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  91. HBM says:
    @Priss Factor
    Smoking gun or just more smoke?

    http://bigleaguepolitics.com/audio-seymour-hersh-states-seth-rich-wikileaks-source/

    Hersh is quite a piece of work, and I don’t completely trust him.

    Another piece of work is Kim Dotcom, and his version of the story– that he had had contact with Rich before he decided to leak and later used Dotcom as middleman to Wikileaks (which I actually find more credible)– is very different from Hersh’s version of events. One (or both of them, I guess) is lying.

    http://kim.com/

    Scroll down through the ridiculousness on the page a bit to get to the Seth Rich bit.

    Edit: this is the first time I’ve looked at his statement since it was new, and it is now seriously truncated. It still strikes me as more credible than Hersh.

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    Hersh is quite a piece of work, and I don’t completely trust him.
     
    If, as the late William Casey is said to have remarked, "there is not a major media figure we (the CIA) do not own," then the Agency must own the biggest name in investigative journalism, which raises some question as to the credibility of Hersh's claim that Seth Rich died as the result of a robbery in which the robbers inadvertently failed to take any of his possessions.
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  92. @NoseytheDuke
    And you can bet Turdbull would do it with his usual glib, smug, smirk while gesticulating wildly creating as much distraction to his speech as possible while adding his wussy, rising inflection to ensure that he speaks with as minimal gravitas as is possible. How he was ever labelled a good communicator is quite beyond me.

    Beyond you certainly. But perhaps you are modestly not referring to his ability to communicate with the intelligent like those who helped him make a fortune, awarded him a Rhodes Scholarship snd appointed him MD? of Goldman Sachs in Australia. And doesn’t the Spycatcher case come to mind as well as getting dozens of professional communicator colleaagues to elect him twice ss leader.

    He has his faults no question But wallow in your grandiosity expressed like the anonymous barks of the neighbourhood canine collective if it helps appease the resentment and envy an impotent loser feels in contemplating the customary over rewarded rise of the successful.

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  93. @NoseytheDuke
    You are in fine form today, Wiz, as you soar to ever greater heights of idiocy.

    First, you, the author of barely coherent, endlessly rambling and illogical sentences has the idiot gall to accuse another commenter of rambling. Then, to add insult to injury, the commenter you accuse is one who is regularly praised by various commenters for nailing the crux of a given topic. It is idiocy refined to a purity rarely encountered except to those also from your own hand.

    Second, Tony Abbott accused Putin within minutes of the news of the crash of MH17 being known. Clearly it was pre-scripted. I only wish Putin has sued him for slander so we could have watched him struggle to prove his claim. Same goes for 60 Minutes and their, now debunked, accusatory, slanderous and dangerous propaganda attempt.

    You are both an idiot and a troll because you cannot even troll convincingly.

    Your second par does nothing but affirm that you do rightly consider yourself as belonging to a pretty rum lot.

    Your reference to Abbott confirma your outsider status. Didn’t you know that Peta Credlin rang the PM and said “Grab it Tony. This is the big one. Get in first”? Ah, but now I feel naughty and can’t resist since you have chosen to attach yourself to Rurik with his wild Deep State everywhere effusions. Do tell us Australia has a deep state and who is in it and how it works. (Interesting test question: has Andrew Wilkie ever dpoken of the Derp State and if not why not?). All outsiders know things lile that. (I’m reminded of a rather insignificant somewhat overweight small businessman who tried to big note himsef in solemn sotto voce terms at a political party branch meeting by confiding that he had been informed by someone present that our relatively new PM Hawke had fallen off the wagon. Come to think of it, was it you?).

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  94. annamaria says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    You are in fine form today, Wiz, as you soar to ever greater heights of idiocy.

    First, you, the author of barely coherent, endlessly rambling and illogical sentences has the idiot gall to accuse another commenter of rambling. Then, to add insult to injury, the commenter you accuse is one who is regularly praised by various commenters for nailing the crux of a given topic. It is idiocy refined to a purity rarely encountered except to those also from your own hand.

    Second, Tony Abbott accused Putin within minutes of the news of the crash of MH17 being known. Clearly it was pre-scripted. I only wish Putin has sued him for slander so we could have watched him struggle to prove his claim. Same goes for 60 Minutes and their, now debunked, accusatory, slanderous and dangerous propaganda attempt.

    You are both an idiot and a troll because you cannot even troll convincingly.

    Please have mercy: It was already established that we are dealing with the age/psychological issues. Let him be.

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    Psychological issues, or a hardworking troll pretending to be a moron.
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  95. Rurik says:
    @CanSpeccy

    why not tell the former satellite states that Russia will help fund the destruction of the Soviet abominations/monuments that profane their sacred soil? And are reminders of a painful period of evil that pervaded their lands and imposed such misery.
     
    Obviously, because restoring Russian hegemony over the Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine, etc. is Russian policy. All of those territories, plus Georgia, Armenia, Moldova, the central Asian republics, Finland, etc. were all part of the Russian empire in the past and if Russia has its way, will be once again. It has been Russia's age old policy to retreat into the vast hinterland when under intolerable outside pressure, to resume expanding when the opportunity arises. As Putin said, the collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical disaster of the 20th Century, as it undoubtedly was for Putin's KGB and the Soviet hierarchy, who have every intention of reversing the disaster.

    Both the US and Russia are tyrannical empires, armed to the teethe and intent of expansion. There is absolutely no reason to suppose that the two of them will not continue the struggle for control of Europe and Central Asia indefinitely.

    Both the US and Russia are tyrannical empires, armed to the teethe and intent of expansion. There is absolutely no reason to suppose that the two of them will not continue the struggle for control of Europe and Central Asia indefinitely.

    Hey CanS,

    you bring up a very interesting and gravely significant point. Are Putin and Russia intent on imperialism?

    And if so, are they really that f’n stupid that they think they can accomplish that by resurrecting the popularity of the Soviet Union?!

    If indeed, it ever had any popularity beyond the party members and their NYC financiers.

    Let’s say for the moment that you’re right, and that imperialism is in the Russian blood. Is there any possibility whatsoever, in this world or the next, that a significant percentage of the people of Ukraine (or Poland or Estonia..) are going to one day wake up and tell themselves, ‘you know what.. life under Soviet, communist, Russian dominance wasn’t so bad, let’s bring it back!’

    I’m putting the chances of that at zero. And if so, then to what end are the Russians demanding that these nations honor obscene memorials to an occupation army and regime that genocided their ancestors by the millions in the most horrific ways possible. When it wasn’t sending them to the gulags or imposing communist, (slavery) domination upon their daily lives.

    Can’t we all at least agree that the Soviet madness was a nightmare, and repudiate it once and for all?!

    Putin has claimed overtly that Russia has no imperial ambitions

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russias-putin-we-dont-expect-sanctions-end-anytime-soon-n342561

    is he lying? Sure, he could be, but I’ve been paying attention to this guy for quite some time now, and he always seems to simply speak his mind and tell the truth. I’ve never seen him in a flat out lie, unlike the leaders of the West, who if they’re talking… they’re lying. Always. Every time. When has a leader of the West said anything true vis-a-vis Ukraine ever since the US destabilized the place as a thorn in Putin’s side?

    they lie with their every stinking breath. Whereas Putin has been the only adult in the room. Of course he took Crimea! I would have too, if the people there overwhelmingly were begging me to do so, and for its strategic necessity against the Fiend.

    I don’t know what’s deep in the heart of Putin and Russians, I know a few, and I like them all. (including the Jewish ones I know) But I really don’t see any upside to imposing those hated monuments on the satellite states. If there is strife over ethnic Russian speaking Russians living in Estonia and elsewhere, then that is a problem for diplomacy and politics, but is there a Russian alive who believes that one day the people of Estonia, (or Russia for that matter) are going to get all frosty eyed over the Soviet era and long for its return?

    Everything that was wrong with the Soviets is now true of the ZUSA/zio-occupied West. Racial hatred for its indigenous white people of ability. Jewish supremacist$ at the helm, driving bloodthirsty imperialism with zero regard for law or any notions of simply human decency.

    now it’s all over here

    and everything I see and hear Russia and Putin saying (and doing!) are all in defense of the Rule of Law, especially International Law, and trying to get along and create stability and thrive and prosper.

    If Putin is arming up Russia, it would be insane not to, considering the posture of the drooling Fiend at its doorstep.

    so, let the monuments go. That’s the first step toward reconciliation. Russia needs to repudiate the horrors and crimes of the Soviet Union, where so many millions of Russians also died in the gulags or were Keelhauled at Yalta.

    http://profcj.org/operation-keelhaul/

    http://havacuppahemlock1.blogspot.com/2013/03/operation-keelhaul-hidden-allied.html

    So, to recap, it is and has been the West that is waging aggressive wars all over the planet. It is and has been the zio-occupied west that is running terror drones over other people’s and nation’s sovereign skies and assassinating freedom fighters and murdering villagers willy-nilly. It is the west (the ZUSA in particular) that is operating a permanent and open torture camp. It is the West that has committed and continues to commit false flag attacks as an excuse to bomb countries and send them reeling into the stone age for generations.

    All of this unspeakable evil (and much, much more, like the funding of foreign invasion armies of young Muslim and other men to destroy Western culture and stability and injecting moral and spiritual pop-culture sewage into the youth, when it isn’t foisting cheap heroin upon them) are all part and parcel of the Zio-West today, which I of course call The Fiend.

    And all of the hysteria and mindless blubbering manure about ‘Putin shot down the plane!’ or Putin is ‘Hitler!’ or ‘Putin is invading Ukraine!’ are all blatant devil’s lies, and all emanating out of the same festering, feculent orifice of lies and murder and death and misery that has come to characterize the Zio-West today.

    whereas Putin and Russia have been doing all they can to arrest the international criminals who looted Russia blind, and restore order and hope to the Russian people, and bring back a culture of respect for traditions and heritage and honor, while augmenting a return of the Russian middle class.

    the stark contrast between the serial and myriad evils of the zio-west vs. everything Putin is doing could not be more glairing and grim.

    Putin tells the simple and obvious truth when he speaks.

    The Zio-West lies with every breath.

    Putin has been trying to bring stability and prosperity to his people and beyond.

    The Zio-West has been trying to bring strife and misery and death and horrors and war and war and war to their people and beyond.

    Putin has been giving the Russian people hope, while respecting International Law and other nation’s borders, that he could overrun in a second if he (and the Duma and Russian people) had the will to do so.

    The Zio-West has been doing all it can to destroy all hope for its own people by looting their treasuries and foisting an immigration invasion and waging Eternal Wars and murdering and maiming and displacing millions upon millions of innocent men, women and children the world over, all while creating a culture of crass, Kardashian’s ass, lowest common filth.

    do you really think that today there is an equivalence between Russia (as imperial hegemon) vs. the Zio-West?

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    So, to recap, it is and has been the West that is waging aggressive wars all over the planet.
     
    Yes. Because the West could.

    The Soviet regime disintegrated due to internal rot, so now Russia, which was basis of the Soviet regime, has to play defense. But the balance of power continually changes. Russia, under what you consider to be good leadership is doing what a well-governed Russia is bound to do: modernizing the military, reorganizing the economy, and adjusting foreign relations to improve its position versus great power rivals, the Anglos, the Chinese and the Euros. As the new constellation of power evolves, Russia will take advantage of any weakness to expand its sphere of influence or control. Hence, the Russian takeover of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Crimea, and its assistance to Donbass/Malorossiya.
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  96. In my law practice, I found that group think was the opposite of winning. When that appears, mistakes come at a rapid clip. It is the ultimate warning sign of a snake bit case.

    It is not enough to have a team. The team must have open minds and consider all possibilities. There must be active thinking and consideration of alternative views at all times. It is the alternative suddenly realized that is the winning moment, and that comes from questing minds, and is shut down by group think.

    The whole process of American government seems designed to ensure group think, circulating positions until everyone signs off to the group position. It is design for failure.

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  97. Rurik says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    And you can bet Turdbull would do it with his usual glib, smug, smirk while gesticulating wildly creating as much distraction to his speech as possible while adding his wussy, rising inflection to ensure that he speaks with as minimal gravitas as is possible. How he was ever labelled a good communicator is quite beyond me.

    And you can bet Turdbull would do it

    of course Duke, because Australia is just as deepstateⓊ controlled as the ZUSA (or Canada or England or Germany or France.. etc..)

    And wiz knows it. But he has a masochistic bent that keeps him coming back for more truth.

    he’s like the perfect foil for the promulgation of truths he’d prefer not be promulgated, but by his persistence with his lies, he allows his posts to act as a springboard for the dissemination of truth far and wide.

    all hail the wiz! Viva la wiz!

    perhaps more than any other poster, he has (inadvertently) shown more people the lies about 9/11 and building seven, the lies about MH17 and the lies about the deepstateⓊ and its insidious control of our respective governments and media.

    perhaps no other poster has done more for truth and exposing the lies than the wiz, through his persistent (and pompous) foisting of easily repudiated lies.

    the world owes wiz a word of thanks

    we could not have done it without you buddy! ;)

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  98. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Rurik

    Both the US and Russia are tyrannical empires, armed to the teethe and intent of expansion. There is absolutely no reason to suppose that the two of them will not continue the struggle for control of Europe and Central Asia indefinitely.
     
    Hey CanS,

    you bring up a very interesting and gravely significant point. Are Putin and Russia intent on imperialism?

    And if so, are they really that f'n stupid that they think they can accomplish that by resurrecting the popularity of the Soviet Union?!

    If indeed, it ever had any popularity beyond the party members and their NYC financiers.

    Let's say for the moment that you're right, and that imperialism is in the Russian blood. Is there any possibility whatsoever, in this world or the next, that a significant percentage of the people of Ukraine (or Poland or Estonia..) are going to one day wake up and tell themselves, 'you know what.. life under Soviet, communist, Russian dominance wasn't so bad, let's bring it back!'

    I'm putting the chances of that at zero. And if so, then to what end are the Russians demanding that these nations honor obscene memorials to an occupation army and regime that genocided their ancestors by the millions in the most horrific ways possible. When it wasn't sending them to the gulags or imposing communist, (slavery) domination upon their daily lives.

    Can't we all at least agree that the Soviet madness was a nightmare, and repudiate it once and for all?!

    Putin has claimed overtly that Russia has no imperial ambitions

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russias-putin-we-dont-expect-sanctions-end-anytime-soon-n342561

    is he lying? Sure, he could be, but I've been paying attention to this guy for quite some time now, and he always seems to simply speak his mind and tell the truth. I've never seen him in a flat out lie, unlike the leaders of the West, who if they're talking... they're lying. Always. Every time. When has a leader of the West said anything true vis-a-vis Ukraine ever since the US destabilized the place as a thorn in Putin's side?

    they lie with their every stinking breath. Whereas Putin has been the only adult in the room. Of course he took Crimea! I would have too, if the people there overwhelmingly were begging me to do so, and for its strategic necessity against the Fiend.

    I don't know what's deep in the heart of Putin and Russians, I know a few, and I like them all. (including the Jewish ones I know) But I really don't see any upside to imposing those hated monuments on the satellite states. If there is strife over ethnic Russian speaking Russians living in Estonia and elsewhere, then that is a problem for diplomacy and politics, but is there a Russian alive who believes that one day the people of Estonia, (or Russia for that matter) are going to get all frosty eyed over the Soviet era and long for its return?

    Everything that was wrong with the Soviets is now true of the ZUSA/zio-occupied West. Racial hatred for its indigenous white people of ability. Jewish supremacist$ at the helm, driving bloodthirsty imperialism with zero regard for law or any notions of simply human decency.

    now it's all over here

    and everything I see and hear Russia and Putin saying (and doing!) are all in defense of the Rule of Law, especially International Law, and trying to get along and create stability and thrive and prosper.

    If Putin is arming up Russia, it would be insane not to, considering the posture of the drooling Fiend at its doorstep.

    so, let the monuments go. That's the first step toward reconciliation. Russia needs to repudiate the horrors and crimes of the Soviet Union, where so many millions of Russians also died in the gulags or were Keelhauled at Yalta.

    http://profcj.org/operation-keelhaul/

    http://havacuppahemlock1.blogspot.com/2013/03/operation-keelhaul-hidden-allied.html

    So, to recap, it is and has been the West that is waging aggressive wars all over the planet. It is and has been the zio-occupied west that is running terror drones over other people's and nation's sovereign skies and assassinating freedom fighters and murdering villagers willy-nilly. It is the west (the ZUSA in particular) that is operating a permanent and open torture camp. It is the West that has committed and continues to commit false flag attacks as an excuse to bomb countries and send them reeling into the stone age for generations.

    All of this unspeakable evil (and much, much more, like the funding of foreign invasion armies of young Muslim and other men to destroy Western culture and stability and injecting moral and spiritual pop-culture sewage into the youth, when it isn't foisting cheap heroin upon them) are all part and parcel of the Zio-West today, which I of course call The Fiend.

    And all of the hysteria and mindless blubbering manure about 'Putin shot down the plane!' or Putin is 'Hitler!' or 'Putin is invading Ukraine!' are all blatant devil's lies, and all emanating out of the same festering, feculent orifice of lies and murder and death and misery that has come to characterize the Zio-West today.

    whereas Putin and Russia have been doing all they can to arrest the international criminals who looted Russia blind, and restore order and hope to the Russian people, and bring back a culture of respect for traditions and heritage and honor, while augmenting a return of the Russian middle class.

    the stark contrast between the serial and myriad evils of the zio-west vs. everything Putin is doing could not be more glairing and grim.

    Putin tells the simple and obvious truth when he speaks.

    The Zio-West lies with every breath.

    Putin has been trying to bring stability and prosperity to his people and beyond.

    The Zio-West has been trying to bring strife and misery and death and horrors and war and war and war to their people and beyond.

    Putin has been giving the Russian people hope, while respecting International Law and other nation's borders, that he could overrun in a second if he (and the Duma and Russian people) had the will to do so.

    The Zio-West has been doing all it can to destroy all hope for its own people by looting their treasuries and foisting an immigration invasion and waging Eternal Wars and murdering and maiming and displacing millions upon millions of innocent men, women and children the world over, all while creating a culture of crass, Kardashian's ass, lowest common filth.

    do you really think that today there is an equivalence between Russia (as imperial hegemon) vs. the Zio-West?

    So, to recap, it is and has been the West that is waging aggressive wars all over the planet.

    Yes. Because the West could.

    The Soviet regime disintegrated due to internal rot, so now Russia, which was basis of the Soviet regime, has to play defense. But the balance of power continually changes. Russia, under what you consider to be good leadership is doing what a well-governed Russia is bound to do: modernizing the military, reorganizing the economy, and adjusting foreign relations to improve its position versus great power rivals, the Anglos, the Chinese and the Euros. As the new constellation of power evolves, Russia will take advantage of any weakness to expand its sphere of influence or control. Hence, the Russian takeover of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Crimea, and its assistance to Donbass/Malorossiya.

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    And with a view to expanding Russia's sphere of influence, Russia created (2010) the Eurasian Economic Community, intended, to morph, like the EU, into a de facto unified state.

    The trouble in Ukraine arose because the Anglos and the Euros wanted to prevent the reintegration of Ukraine into the Russian economic sphere.
    , @Rurik

    Yes. Because the West could.
     
    I would disagree with that. Because the West, were it not under the thrall of the Zio-Fiend, the MIC and assorted corporate black holes of greed (exemplified by Goldman Sachs, which bring us right back to the Zio-Fiend), would be perfectly happy to thrive and prosper within its own borders.

    I know I would, and I know that all of the normal people I'm aware of would like that too. Smedley Butler was right, and war is a racket of the corporate scum, and its assorted government whores.

    It isn't a fundamental character of the Western people, who I would say by now collectively hate war with all their hearts and souls. That's why the British House of Commons voted against it. That's why the US House of Representatives voted against it. Because the people were ready to revolt. (I personally called my rep and said in the most strident terms I could muster that war with Syria was unacceptable)

    It's the deepstate that demands the wars, not the people. And if the West were not the Zio-West, then there'd be no more of these wars, certainly not in the Middle East. There'd be peace in Palestine for God's sake! were it not for this demonic control of our governments.

    Which was why Russia was also a demonic threat to its citizens and its neighbors and beyond. Because during the Soviet insanity, it too was under the thrall of the Rothschild Fiend (until Putin was able to heroically free that nation after a near century of cruel and murderous domination).

    Russia will take advantage of any weakness to expand its sphere of influence or control. Hence, the Russian takeover of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Crimea, and its assistance to Donbass/Malorossiya.
     
    in every case you mention above- Putin and Russia were responding to provocations initiated by John McCain and his assorted whores and stooges. Saakashvili is a pathetic and obvious stooge of John McCain. Do you know of him? Are you aware of his antics?

    Are you aware of the fact that it was the US state dept. that destabilized Ukraine and foisted that "civil' war? Are you aware of the Kagan klan, and who they are and what they're about?

    This all boils down to Syria, that the Fiend was busy destroying a la Iraq and Libya, until Putin heroically decided to stick his neck out to prevent the unilateral global power in the world [Fiend] from destroying anything and everything in its demonic path. He alone has done what no other could; put the kibosh on the mass-murder spree of the Fiend. As an American and a proud member of Western civilization, (not the zio kind!) I personally applaud what Putin and Russia have done in Syria, and the break-away republics and Donbas. And in the case of the latter, it's mostly for Putin's forbearance, and refusing to invade as many less statesman-like men would have done by now, having been thoroughly provoked by singular assholes like McCain.

    All I see from Russia and Putin are adult-like actions and word and more to the point; deeds.

    what they're doing in Syria is destroying McCain's sub-human rabid dogs that have wrought so may horrors on that part of the world's people.

    and as Putin behaves like a statesman and adult on the world's stage, here in the states (and Europe and Canada and Australia, etc..) all I see are liars and war pig$ and assorted stooges of Zion demanding war and war and more war, while they're feverishly destroying the futures of their respective peoples here at home.

    the contrasts between good government vs. demonic evil could not be more stark. IMHO
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  99. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @annamaria
    Please have mercy: It was already established that we are dealing with the age/psychological issues. Let him be.

    Psychological issues, or a hardworking troll pretending to be a moron.

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  100. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I really can't be bothered dealing with this stuff that constantly misrepresents points which haave been made, and lack logic. Just try to work out whaaat i am saying by reference to your irrelevant comments about Tony Abbott's belief in Putin's responsibility which you say no one believes. So what has that got to do with what I was ssying? And Putin can reasonably asked to take responsibility if it was a Russian manned or suplllied missile launcher inside Ukraine which shot down MH17 as the five nation inquiry found.

    Just try to work out whaaat i am saying by reference to your irrelevant comments about Tony Abbott’s belief in Putin’s responsibility which you say no one believes.

    certainly not you wiz

    you don’t believe for one second that Putin was responsible for the plane getting shot out of the sky. Any more than Tony Abbot does or did.

    In fact the very notion that Putin was responsible in any way is beyond preposterous and delves into the realm of dancing fairies, leprechauns and purple unicorns.

    sort of like 47 story modern steel frame buildings that go **poof** and plop into their basements in neat little piles to be scooped up and driven off with nicely cut beams just long enough to fit into the trucks for shipping off to China to be melted down before any forensic examination can be conducted to determine exactly what happened on that fateful day.

    by now few people are more aware of the impossibility of that than you wiz. Just as few people are more acutely aware of the deepstateⓊ treachery and Satanic treason of the Australian government who went along with war against Iraq, all based on lies, because doing so was perceived as ‘good for the ….’ huh wiz? And any government official who didn’t agree with it all would be run out on a kosher rail.

    I’ve come to count on your dissembling as a nice distraction wiz. And, you are doing the work of truth and exposing crimes and ubiquitous criminality more than you know wiz. More than you know.

    thanks for that

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    like 47 story modern steel frame buildings that go **poof**
     
    No prob. WizOz has believed as many as six such impossible things before breakfast.
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  101. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    So, to recap, it is and has been the West that is waging aggressive wars all over the planet.
     
    Yes. Because the West could.

    The Soviet regime disintegrated due to internal rot, so now Russia, which was basis of the Soviet regime, has to play defense. But the balance of power continually changes. Russia, under what you consider to be good leadership is doing what a well-governed Russia is bound to do: modernizing the military, reorganizing the economy, and adjusting foreign relations to improve its position versus great power rivals, the Anglos, the Chinese and the Euros. As the new constellation of power evolves, Russia will take advantage of any weakness to expand its sphere of influence or control. Hence, the Russian takeover of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Crimea, and its assistance to Donbass/Malorossiya.

    And with a view to expanding Russia’s sphere of influence, Russia created (2010) the Eurasian Economic Community, intended, to morph, like the EU, into a de facto unified state.

    The trouble in Ukraine arose because the Anglos and the Euros wanted to prevent the reintegration of Ukraine into the Russian economic sphere.

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    And with a view to expanding Russia’s sphere of influence, Russia created (2010) the Eurasian Economic Community, intended, to morph, like the EU, into a de facto unified state.
     

    The trouble in Ukraine arose because the Anglos and the Euros wanted to prevent the reintegration of Ukraine into the Russian economic sphere.
     
    These two comments contradict each other. If you have some evidence that the EEU is intended to eventually morph into a de facto unified state, you should present it. Because the agreement itself bends over backwards to stipulate the respect of sovereignty and individual political development. Furthermore, it is also designed to prevent Russia from dominating the Union due simply to its shear size relative to the other members. Modern Russia has enough problems governing the territory it already possesses and seems unwilling to take on many of the Soviet Union's problems that eventually led to its demise.

    Your second sentence is correct because it uses the qualifier of "economic". Russia's interests in promoting the EEU are primarily economic, not political. Indeed, much of the Ukrainian imbroglio lies in Russia's lap largely because it ignored the political element. Business only, so to speak. The deal was basically discounted gas and open markets from Russia in return for geopolitical neutrality (i.e., not pro-Russian orientation). This left a gaping vacuum for the West to use its most potent weapon, soft power.
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  102. Rurik says:
    @CanSpeccy

    So, to recap, it is and has been the West that is waging aggressive wars all over the planet.
     
    Yes. Because the West could.

    The Soviet regime disintegrated due to internal rot, so now Russia, which was basis of the Soviet regime, has to play defense. But the balance of power continually changes. Russia, under what you consider to be good leadership is doing what a well-governed Russia is bound to do: modernizing the military, reorganizing the economy, and adjusting foreign relations to improve its position versus great power rivals, the Anglos, the Chinese and the Euros. As the new constellation of power evolves, Russia will take advantage of any weakness to expand its sphere of influence or control. Hence, the Russian takeover of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Crimea, and its assistance to Donbass/Malorossiya.

    Yes. Because the West could.

    I would disagree with that. Because the West, were it not under the thrall of the Zio-Fiend, the MIC and assorted corporate black holes of greed (exemplified by Goldman Sachs, which bring us right back to the Zio-Fiend), would be perfectly happy to thrive and prosper within its own borders.

    I know I would, and I know that all of the normal people I’m aware of would like that too. Smedley Butler was right, and war is a racket of the corporate scum, and its assorted government whores.

    It isn’t a fundamental character of the Western people, who I would say by now collectively hate war with all their hearts and souls. That’s why the British House of Commons voted against it. That’s why the US House of Representatives voted against it. Because the people were ready to revolt. (I personally called my rep and said in the most strident terms I could muster that war with Syria was unacceptable)

    It’s the deepstate that demands the wars, not the people. And if the West were not the Zio-West, then there’d be no more of these wars, certainly not in the Middle East. There’d be peace in Palestine for God’s sake! were it not for this demonic control of our governments.

    Which was why Russia was also a demonic threat to its citizens and its neighbors and beyond. Because during the Soviet insanity, it too was under the thrall of the Rothschild Fiend (until Putin was able to heroically free that nation after a near century of cruel and murderous domination).

    Russia will take advantage of any weakness to expand its sphere of influence or control. Hence, the Russian takeover of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Crimea, and its assistance to Donbass/Malorossiya.

    in every case you mention above- Putin and Russia were responding to provocations initiated by John McCain and his assorted whores and stooges. Saakashvili is a pathetic and obvious stooge of John McCain. Do you know of him? Are you aware of his antics?

    Are you aware of the fact that it was the US state dept. that destabilized Ukraine and foisted that “civil’ war? Are you aware of the Kagan klan, and who they are and what they’re about?

    This all boils down to Syria, that the Fiend was busy destroying a la Iraq and Libya, until Putin heroically decided to stick his neck out to prevent the unilateral global power in the world [Fiend] from destroying anything and everything in its demonic path. He alone has done what no other could; put the kibosh on the mass-murder spree of the Fiend. As an American and a proud member of Western civilization, (not the zio kind!) I personally applaud what Putin and Russia have done in Syria, and the break-away republics and Donbas. And in the case of the latter, it’s mostly for Putin’s forbearance, and refusing to invade as many less statesman-like men would have done by now, having been thoroughly provoked by singular assholes like McCain.

    All I see from Russia and Putin are adult-like actions and word and more to the point; deeds.

    what they’re doing in Syria is destroying McCain’s sub-human rabid dogs that have wrought so may horrors on that part of the world’s people.

    and as Putin behaves like a statesman and adult on the world’s stage, here in the states (and Europe and Canada and Australia, etc..) all I see are liars and war pig$ and assorted stooges of Zion demanding war and war and more war, while they’re feverishly destroying the futures of their respective peoples here at home.

    the contrasts between good government vs. demonic evil could not be more stark. IMHO

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    Because the West, were it not under the thrall of the Zio-Fiend, the MIC and assorted corporate black holes of greed (exemplified by Goldman Sachs, which bring us right back to the Zio-Fiend), would be perfectly happy to thrive and prosper within its own borders.
     
    I think if you examine history, you will see that, driven by whatever fiends, the Europeans have not been "perfectly happy to thrive and prosper within [their] own borders." That is to say, the European ruling elites have not been "perfectly happy to thrive and prosper within [their] own borders." Remember, in 1914, the Europeans ruled 80% of the world. In fact, they ruled just about everyone but the Chinese, at which point they decided to fight one another to see who would rule it all.

    It is true, as Herman Goering said:


    the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
     
    And the leaders of the country are always psychopaths more or less, Zionist or otherwise. Under the earlier conditions of human life, it was presumably conducive to group survival and success to be led by a psychopath. Today, that may no longer be true, but if so, how do you alter the fact that an intelligent, charismatic psycho will nearly always beat out a person with a conscience to reach the top of the manure pile.
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  103. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Rurik

    Just try to work out whaaat i am saying by reference to your irrelevant comments about Tony Abbott’s belief in Putin’s responsibility which you say no one believes.
     
    certainly not you wiz

    you don't believe for one second that Putin was responsible for the plane getting shot out of the sky. Any more than Tony Abbot does or did.

    In fact the very notion that Putin was responsible in any way is beyond preposterous and delves into the realm of dancing fairies, leprechauns and purple unicorns.

    sort of like 47 story modern steel frame buildings that go **poof** and plop into their basements in neat little piles to be scooped up and driven off with nicely cut beams just long enough to fit into the trucks for shipping off to China to be melted down before any forensic examination can be conducted to determine exactly what happened on that fateful day.

    by now few people are more aware of the impossibility of that than you wiz. Just as few people are more acutely aware of the deepstateⓊ treachery and Satanic treason of the Australian government who went along with war against Iraq, all based on lies, because doing so was perceived as 'good for the ....' huh wiz? And any government official who didn't agree with it all would be run out on a kosher rail.

    I've come to count on your dissembling as a nice distraction wiz. And, you are doing the work of truth and exposing crimes and ubiquitous criminality more than you know wiz. More than you know.

    thanks for that

    like 47 story modern steel frame buildings that go **poof**

    No prob. WizOz has believed as many as six such impossible things before breakfast.

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  104. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @HBM
    Hersh is quite a piece of work, and I don't completely trust him.

    Another piece of work is Kim Dotcom, and his version of the story-- that he had had contact with Rich before he decided to leak and later used Dotcom as middleman to Wikileaks (which I actually find more credible)-- is very different from Hersh's version of events. One (or both of them, I guess) is lying.

    http://kim.com/

    Scroll down through the ridiculousness on the page a bit to get to the Seth Rich bit.

    Edit: this is the first time I've looked at his statement since it was new, and it is now seriously truncated. It still strikes me as more credible than Hersh.

    Hersh is quite a piece of work, and I don’t completely trust him.

    If, as the late William Casey is said to have remarked, “there is not a major media figure we (the CIA) do not own,” then the Agency must own the biggest name in investigative journalism, which raises some question as to the credibility of Hersh’s claim that Seth Rich died as the result of a robbery in which the robbers inadvertently failed to take any of his possessions.

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  105. Even if all US officials hated Russia (as distinct from Putin), that would not prove that either Russia or Putin were innocent of the things for which they have been criticised. Mr Giraldi has fallen into the illogical “America bad, not-America good” trap. If A calls B a liar and B proves that A is a liar, that doesn’t prove that B isn’t also a liar and maybe an even worse one than A!

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    Wrong Michael. I have NEVER said that Russia is innocent. I have merely demanded that we have incontrovertible proof of their guilt before we start World War 3.
    , @Rurik

    If A calls B a liar and B proves that A is a liar, that doesn’t prove that B isn’t also a liar and maybe an even worse one than A!
     
    no, because all the lies have been emanating out of A: (ZUSA)

    I'm simply not aware of one lie that Putin has told, are you?

    whereas I'm familiar with an avalanche of lies that the ZUSA has shilled (especially in the service of contrived wars for Israel) for since I've been alive and longer

    starting with the assassination of JFK

    then there was the USS Liberty

    then there was foul reign of the Shah - ZUSA quisling with SAVAK and other Zio-atrocities, culminating in the ZUSA contrived Iraq / Iran war, and today's ubiquitous lies about Iran

    then there was the Kuwaiti incubators and Bush Senior's lies about giving Saddam the green light to attack Kuwait

    then lies about Serbia

    then, starting out the new century, we have historically unprecedented lies, (and that's saying a lot!) with lies about the 9/11 false flag attack intended as the pretext to bringing the whole planet under Zio-Orwellian-domination. Including all pervasive lies about "Global Warming" that have the same intention in mind.

    more and more and more lies, every day more lies, and when they're caught lying, they just tell more lies

    lies about Ukraine and MH17 and lies about Crimea and lies about Assad and false flag chemical weapons attacks all lied about all day long.

    if a Western leader or media personality is talking about Ukraine, they're lying. If they're talking about "moderate rebels", they're lying. If they're talking about Putin or Russia or Syria or Iraq or Turkey or Iran or Palestine.... yep, that's right, they're lying.

    ~so~

    in the face of such a mendacious lying, mass-murderous, torturing, nation destroying, hypocritical POS on the world's stage that the American government has come to represent, and be justifiably and understandably hated for...

    what reason on earth is there to believe anything it says about Putin or Iran or anyone else. In fact, you can almost glimmer the truth be believing the exact opposite of anything the ZUSA says.

    if it says Assad is bad, he's most likely a positive influence in the region

    if it says Putin is bad, he's most likely a good guy, (and from everything I can glimmer, he seems to be)

    if it says Bibi is good, he's likely a murderous, genocidal POS

    if it says Iran is bad, they're probably acting in good faith

    if it says Saudi Arabia is good, they're probably some of the most corrupt and tyrannical and murderous POS on the planet.

    if it says the leaders in Kyiv are good, they're probably quisling whores and corrupt stooges of the ZUSA

    I mean this metric is usually so foolproof that I'm trying hard to figure out what's good about N. Korea. I mean the ZUSA is saying they're bad, and so I'm very perplexed by that.
    , @annamaria
    Why are you abusing Mr. Giraldi intelligence? - and the intelligence of the UNZ readers? If you have something factual to present - present the facts, not the insinuations.
    Just to remind you to whom you wrote your childish comment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Giraldi
    "Philip Giraldi is a former counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and a columnist and television commentator who is the Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a group that advocates for more even-handed policies by the U.S. government in the Middle East.... Giraldi is a founding member of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity."
    Philip Giraldi is a national treasure, a true Patriot
    , @James Dickenson
    " Mr Giraldi has fallen into the illogical “America bad, not-America good” trap."

    Are you going to apologize to Mr Giraldi for this inaccurate comment?
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  106. Art says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Art,

    As you know, i admire your comments which often serve to educate.

    Please look deeper into who the CIA is accountable to in our ZUSA government.

    I do not like telling you how to think and do research, but the CIA is not accountable to the State Department.

    As your fact finding proceeds, yuu will come across the name of a key Zionist controlled U.S. Senator from Arkansas, Tom Corker.

    Keep in touch and please convey further insight?

    F,Y. I., I plan to search & determine if the CIA invests independent of firms like Goldman Sachs.

    Thanks!

    Please look deeper into who the CIA is accountable to in our ZUSA government.

    I do not like telling you how to think and do research, but the CIA is not accountable to the State Department.

    When it comes to our troubles with the 15,000,000 strong Jew Matrix, there is not one truth – there are a million truths. We each, in our own way and experience, see a little different aspect of their evil.

    There are some seven million Jews in our country – you can be sure that millions of them will do something today, that favors the Jew tribe over America. Tomorrow will be the same.

    I enjoy what you see and write.

    Peace — Art

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  107. @Michael Kenny
    Even if all US officials hated Russia (as distinct from Putin), that would not prove that either Russia or Putin were innocent of the things for which they have been criticised. Mr Giraldi has fallen into the illogical "America bad, not-America good" trap. If A calls B a liar and B proves that A is a liar, that doesn't prove that B isn't also a liar and maybe an even worse one than A!

    Wrong Michael. I have NEVER said that Russia is innocent. I have merely demanded that we have incontrovertible proof of their guilt before we start World War 3.

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  108. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Rurik

    Yes. Because the West could.
     
    I would disagree with that. Because the West, were it not under the thrall of the Zio-Fiend, the MIC and assorted corporate black holes of greed (exemplified by Goldman Sachs, which bring us right back to the Zio-Fiend), would be perfectly happy to thrive and prosper within its own borders.

    I know I would, and I know that all of the normal people I'm aware of would like that too. Smedley Butler was right, and war is a racket of the corporate scum, and its assorted government whores.

    It isn't a fundamental character of the Western people, who I would say by now collectively hate war with all their hearts and souls. That's why the British House of Commons voted against it. That's why the US House of Representatives voted against it. Because the people were ready to revolt. (I personally called my rep and said in the most strident terms I could muster that war with Syria was unacceptable)

    It's the deepstate that demands the wars, not the people. And if the West were not the Zio-West, then there'd be no more of these wars, certainly not in the Middle East. There'd be peace in Palestine for God's sake! were it not for this demonic control of our governments.

    Which was why Russia was also a demonic threat to its citizens and its neighbors and beyond. Because during the Soviet insanity, it too was under the thrall of the Rothschild Fiend (until Putin was able to heroically free that nation after a near century of cruel and murderous domination).

    Russia will take advantage of any weakness to expand its sphere of influence or control. Hence, the Russian takeover of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Crimea, and its assistance to Donbass/Malorossiya.
     
    in every case you mention above- Putin and Russia were responding to provocations initiated by John McCain and his assorted whores and stooges. Saakashvili is a pathetic and obvious stooge of John McCain. Do you know of him? Are you aware of his antics?

    Are you aware of the fact that it was the US state dept. that destabilized Ukraine and foisted that "civil' war? Are you aware of the Kagan klan, and who they are and what they're about?

    This all boils down to Syria, that the Fiend was busy destroying a la Iraq and Libya, until Putin heroically decided to stick his neck out to prevent the unilateral global power in the world [Fiend] from destroying anything and everything in its demonic path. He alone has done what no other could; put the kibosh on the mass-murder spree of the Fiend. As an American and a proud member of Western civilization, (not the zio kind!) I personally applaud what Putin and Russia have done in Syria, and the break-away republics and Donbas. And in the case of the latter, it's mostly for Putin's forbearance, and refusing to invade as many less statesman-like men would have done by now, having been thoroughly provoked by singular assholes like McCain.

    All I see from Russia and Putin are adult-like actions and word and more to the point; deeds.

    what they're doing in Syria is destroying McCain's sub-human rabid dogs that have wrought so may horrors on that part of the world's people.

    and as Putin behaves like a statesman and adult on the world's stage, here in the states (and Europe and Canada and Australia, etc..) all I see are liars and war pig$ and assorted stooges of Zion demanding war and war and more war, while they're feverishly destroying the futures of their respective peoples here at home.

    the contrasts between good government vs. demonic evil could not be more stark. IMHO

    Because the West, were it not under the thrall of the Zio-Fiend, the MIC and assorted corporate black holes of greed (exemplified by Goldman Sachs, which bring us right back to the Zio-Fiend), would be perfectly happy to thrive and prosper within its own borders.

    I think if you examine history, you will see that, driven by whatever fiends, the Europeans have not been “perfectly happy to thrive and prosper within [their] own borders.” That is to say, the European ruling elites have not been “perfectly happy to thrive and prosper within [their] own borders.” Remember, in 1914, the Europeans ruled 80% of the world. In fact, they ruled just about everyone but the Chinese, at which point they decided to fight one another to see who would rule it all.

    It is true, as Herman Goering said:

    the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.

    And the leaders of the country are always psychopaths more or less, Zionist or otherwise. Under the earlier conditions of human life, it was presumably conducive to group survival and success to be led by a psychopath. Today, that may no longer be true, but if so, how do you alter the fact that an intelligent, charismatic psycho will nearly always beat out a person with a conscience to reach the top of the manure pile.

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    And the leaders of the country are always psychopaths more or less, Zionist or otherwise
     
    Hey CanS,

    I wrote a reply to this but somehow the software x'd it out.

    I'm too spent right now to rewrite it.
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  109. Rurik says:
    @Michael Kenny
    Even if all US officials hated Russia (as distinct from Putin), that would not prove that either Russia or Putin were innocent of the things for which they have been criticised. Mr Giraldi has fallen into the illogical "America bad, not-America good" trap. If A calls B a liar and B proves that A is a liar, that doesn't prove that B isn't also a liar and maybe an even worse one than A!

    If A calls B a liar and B proves that A is a liar, that doesn’t prove that B isn’t also a liar and maybe an even worse one than A!

    no, because all the lies have been emanating out of A: (ZUSA)

    I’m simply not aware of one lie that Putin has told, are you?

    whereas I’m familiar with an avalanche of lies that the ZUSA has shilled (especially in the service of contrived wars for Israel) for since I’ve been alive and longer

    starting with the assassination of JFK

    then there was the USS Liberty

    then there was foul reign of the Shah – ZUSA quisling with SAVAK and other Zio-atrocities, culminating in the ZUSA contrived Iraq / Iran war, and today’s ubiquitous lies about Iran

    then there was the Kuwaiti incubators and Bush Senior’s lies about giving Saddam the green light to attack Kuwait

    then lies about Serbia

    then, starting out the new century, we have historically unprecedented lies, (and that’s saying a lot!) with lies about the 9/11 false flag attack intended as the pretext to bringing the whole planet under Zio-Orwellian-domination. Including all pervasive lies about “Global Warming” that have the same intention in mind.

    more and more and more lies, every day more lies, and when they’re caught lying, they just tell more lies

    lies about Ukraine and MH17 and lies about Crimea and lies about Assad and false flag chemical weapons attacks all lied about all day long.

    if a Western leader or media personality is talking about Ukraine, they’re lying. If they’re talking about “moderate rebels”, they’re lying. If they’re talking about Putin or Russia or Syria or Iraq or Turkey or Iran or Palestine…. yep, that’s right, they’re lying.

    ~so~

    in the face of such a mendacious lying, mass-murderous, torturing, nation destroying, hypocritical POS on the world’s stage that the American government has come to represent, and be justifiably and understandably hated for…

    what reason on earth is there to believe anything it says about Putin or Iran or anyone else. In fact, you can almost glimmer the truth be believing the exact opposite of anything the ZUSA says.

    if it says Assad is bad, he’s most likely a positive influence in the region

    if it says Putin is bad, he’s most likely a good guy, (and from everything I can glimmer, he seems to be)

    if it says Bibi is good, he’s likely a murderous, genocidal POS

    if it says Iran is bad, they’re probably acting in good faith

    if it says Saudi Arabia is good, they’re probably some of the most corrupt and tyrannical and murderous POS on the planet.

    if it says the leaders in Kyiv are good, they’re probably quisling whores and corrupt stooges of the ZUSA

    I mean this metric is usually so foolproof that I’m trying hard to figure out what’s good about N. Korea. I mean the ZUSA is saying they’re bad, and so I’m very perplexed by that.

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  110. annamaria says:
    @Michael Kenny
    Even if all US officials hated Russia (as distinct from Putin), that would not prove that either Russia or Putin were innocent of the things for which they have been criticised. Mr Giraldi has fallen into the illogical "America bad, not-America good" trap. If A calls B a liar and B proves that A is a liar, that doesn't prove that B isn't also a liar and maybe an even worse one than A!

    Why are you abusing Mr. Giraldi intelligence? – and the intelligence of the UNZ readers? If you have something factual to present – present the facts, not the insinuations.
    Just to remind you to whom you wrote your childish comment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Giraldi
    “Philip Giraldi is a former counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and a columnist and television commentator who is the Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a group that advocates for more even-handed policies by the U.S. government in the Middle East…. Giraldi is a founding member of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.”
    Philip Giraldi is a national treasure, a true Patriot

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    Philip Giraldi is a national treasure, a true Patriot
     
    yep
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  111. we have the fbi, the cia, the nsa and probably the dia too spying on us. i feel safer. after all, what could go wrong?

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  112. Rurik,

    I do not know if Vladimir Putin has told lies anywhere near the lies promoted by Presidents since the JFK coup in Dallas.

    Like all mankind, Mr. Putin has sins of ” ommission.”

    I suggest one.

    He mentioned Russia has satellite imagery of the 9/11 event that damagess the ZUSA lying “case.”

    Why waste such evidence especially when Neocons want to crucify Vlad?

    Thanks.

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    Putin is no girl scout Chuck, that's for sure. You don't get to where he's at unless you possess Machiavellian skills and can spot treachery.

    He mentioned Russia has satellite imagery of the 9/11 event that damagess the ZUSA lying “case.”
     
    he has much more than that

    he's in possession of Soviet archives that can demonstrate just how treasonous and diabolical the ZUSA actually has been. Their death camps for teenage German boys after the war was over, or the genocidal ethnic cleansing of millions of Germans after the war was over. Or the enslavement of hundreds of thousands of German POW by the ZUSA for mine clearing or other tasks.

    There is the holy Holocaust for instance, that the Soviet archives could debunk. Or a thousand other agreed upon-lies that both Russia and the ZUSA are mutually keeping a lid on.

    Indeed, I suspect that the whole 'Russian hacking' hysteria is because the ZUSA felt betrayed that Russia leaked Nuland's phone call. Even tho it proves that the entire ZUSA's lying narrative is a crock of shit.

    So it isn't just 9/11 where they hold some cards, they also have massive diamond mines that could eviscerate the global diamond trade, and piss off a lot of little Zios everywhere.

    So there is this sort of 'gentleman's' agreement between the two powers that they will keep each other's secrets as long as it's mutually beneficial to do so. Like making Germany wallow in eternal guilt. They both love doing that. Other things.

    So no, Putin is not a cub scout, but I believe he really wants to see Russia thrive in a stable world with trade and prosperity for Russians and others. I think he would like to go down in the books as a great Russian leader. Just as I suspect that Trump would like to go down in the books as a great American leader. The problem is the deepstate is determined to see both men go to war with each other and start WWIII
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  113. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Rurik,

    I do not know if Vladimir Putin has told lies anywhere near the lies promoted by Presidents since the JFK coup in Dallas.

    Like all mankind, Mr. Putin has sins of " ommission."

    I suggest one.

    He mentioned Russia has satellite imagery of the 9/11 event that damagess the ZUSA lying "case."

    Why waste such evidence especially when Neocons want to crucify Vlad?

    Thanks.

    Putin is no girl scout Chuck, that’s for sure. You don’t get to where he’s at unless you possess Machiavellian skills and can spot treachery.

    He mentioned Russia has satellite imagery of the 9/11 event that damagess the ZUSA lying “case.”

    he has much more than that

    he’s in possession of Soviet archives that can demonstrate just how treasonous and diabolical the ZUSA actually has been. Their death camps for teenage German boys after the war was over, or the genocidal ethnic cleansing of millions of Germans after the war was over. Or the enslavement of hundreds of thousands of German POW by the ZUSA for mine clearing or other tasks.

    There is the holy Holocaust for instance, that the Soviet archives could debunk. Or a thousand other agreed upon-lies that both Russia and the ZUSA are mutually keeping a lid on.

    Indeed, I suspect that the whole ‘Russian hacking’ hysteria is because the ZUSA felt betrayed that Russia leaked Nuland’s phone call. Even tho it proves that the entire ZUSA’s lying narrative is a crock of shit.

    So it isn’t just 9/11 where they hold some cards, they also have massive diamond mines that could eviscerate the global diamond trade, and piss off a lot of little Zios everywhere.

    So there is this sort of ‘gentleman’s’ agreement between the two powers that they will keep each other’s secrets as long as it’s mutually beneficial to do so. Like making Germany wallow in eternal guilt. They both love doing that. Other things.

    So no, Putin is not a cub scout, but I believe he really wants to see Russia thrive in a stable world with trade and prosperity for Russians and others. I think he would like to go down in the books as a great Russian leader. Just as I suspect that Trump would like to go down in the books as a great American leader. The problem is the deepstate is determined to see both men go to war with each other and start WWIII

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    "I think he would like to go down in the books as a great Russian leader"
    I am not sure he has the luxury to think about these vain ideas. Russia is in a dangerous situation.
    , @ChuckOrloski
    Rurik,

    You know the Russian hacking ian hacking was theater and brought to Americans wbo are incapable of believing ex-President Carter's truth about how U.S. democracy is over.

    In such case, in the minds of elite Zionist power brokers, Donald Trump can one day be considered a "great president" because ZUSA elections are theater.

    Vladimir Putin on the other hand is a statesman of our times. He's that way because of not having a need to cater to the elite afflluent secular Jewd who facilitated Donald Trump's crazy ascension to power and AIPAC of course.

    No matter what The Donald hopes his legacy to be, the final judgement will be done by Mastet Zionist planners who gave him the role of PofZUSA.

    Subsequently, the true statesmen of our world are enemies of the state of ZUSA.

    I am unconvinced about your assessment that "the deep state wants Putin and Trump to go to war." The majority of what really transpires goes on behind closed doors. I for one fear for the possibility that Putin might stand down his support of the Islamic State of Iran and accommodate Netanyahu's wish for expanding Israel borders.

    Such would make President Putin a great leader and one who even Senators Schumer and McCain can do (Goldman Sachs) business with.

    Finally, Rurik, except for it's steady U.N
    votes, I know little about President Putin's passion for Palestine.

    One thing bothers and it's how Israelis can target "terrorists" in Syria, and minus a threat of a major incident with Russian jet fighters. As a former-Cub Scout, I wonder why Israel gets to do war and still chew the Juicy Fruit.

    Any thought you have is appreciated, Rurik. All is theater and by degree, we all suffer from a deliberate obstructed view. THANKS!
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  114. Rurik says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Because the West, were it not under the thrall of the Zio-Fiend, the MIC and assorted corporate black holes of greed (exemplified by Goldman Sachs, which bring us right back to the Zio-Fiend), would be perfectly happy to thrive and prosper within its own borders.
     
    I think if you examine history, you will see that, driven by whatever fiends, the Europeans have not been "perfectly happy to thrive and prosper within [their] own borders." That is to say, the European ruling elites have not been "perfectly happy to thrive and prosper within [their] own borders." Remember, in 1914, the Europeans ruled 80% of the world. In fact, they ruled just about everyone but the Chinese, at which point they decided to fight one another to see who would rule it all.

    It is true, as Herman Goering said:


    the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
     
    And the leaders of the country are always psychopaths more or less, Zionist or otherwise. Under the earlier conditions of human life, it was presumably conducive to group survival and success to be led by a psychopath. Today, that may no longer be true, but if so, how do you alter the fact that an intelligent, charismatic psycho will nearly always beat out a person with a conscience to reach the top of the manure pile.

    And the leaders of the country are always psychopaths more or less, Zionist or otherwise

    Hey CanS,

    I wrote a reply to this but somehow the software x’d it out.

    I’m too spent right now to rewrite it.

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  115. Rurik says:
    @annamaria
    Why are you abusing Mr. Giraldi intelligence? - and the intelligence of the UNZ readers? If you have something factual to present - present the facts, not the insinuations.
    Just to remind you to whom you wrote your childish comment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Giraldi
    "Philip Giraldi is a former counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and a columnist and television commentator who is the Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a group that advocates for more even-handed policies by the U.S. government in the Middle East.... Giraldi is a founding member of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity."
    Philip Giraldi is a national treasure, a true Patriot

    Philip Giraldi is a national treasure, a true Patriot

    yep

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  116. @Wizard of Oz
    Being resistant to jargon and catch phrases it is only slowly that I have accepted that "Deep State" is not entirely pretentious waffle when used to describe aspects of the US. However I may not be your only reader PG who would appreciate a clear explanatory description of the American Deep State and how it works.

    Here are some suggested parameters.

    The term is appropriated from the use to describe the mutually loyal corps of Ataturkians in the Turkish military and intelligence services who were united in service to uphold the ideal of Ataturkian secular modernisation. The term implies no public accountability or publicity unnecessary to its purposes.
    And its origins imply that it is not just one in a number of major influences ln government or those who vote for it.

    So one has to acknowledge that in the US the Deep State has to be different in the important respect that levers of power are observably wielded by lobbies for the aged, gun owners and sellers, Israel, Wall Street, bio fuels, sugar and other ag, pharmaceuticals, oil and gas, the arms industry, Disney and other Hollywood and media, health insurers and the medical profession, and I could go on. These are all relevant to legal events like votes on impeachment or to hold up appointments. The CIA and FBI together completely united (and note how disunited 9/11 showed them to be) wouldn't remotely approach the old Turkish Deep State's ability to stage a coup. Are all of the putative elements of the Deep State together today as powerful as J.Edgar Hoover with his dirt files on everyone? (A contrast and compare exercise of today's presumed Deep State configuration and modus operandi with the simpler Hoover days might shine some light on who does what and how today. And how effectively).

    To avoid lack of focus can a convincing account of the US Deep State be best given in terms of a plausible scenario for
    1. getting rid of Trump as President and/or
    2. maintaining the lunacy and hubris which has the US wasting its substance on totally unnecessary antagonistic relations with China and Russia and interference in the ME?
    I would read such accounts with great interest. (Handwavers need not apply).
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    Thanks. Interesting.

    I'm not sure if I have previouy posted the thought I had that boring down into the detail of what is known about ex hypothesi unpubicised groups and activities one might find Hoover with his dirt file pretty well dominant in any area he was greatly interested in.

    Then you might find around the time of 9/11 enough rivalry and antagonism to make outcomes for Deep State people with purposes for government activity (no less if it was to cover for mafia style criminality as PG's TAC article says was true of Turkey) to make control of any aspect of government very chancy.
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  117. annamaria says:
    @Rurik
    Putin is no girl scout Chuck, that's for sure. You don't get to where he's at unless you possess Machiavellian skills and can spot treachery.

    He mentioned Russia has satellite imagery of the 9/11 event that damagess the ZUSA lying “case.”
     
    he has much more than that

    he's in possession of Soviet archives that can demonstrate just how treasonous and diabolical the ZUSA actually has been. Their death camps for teenage German boys after the war was over, or the genocidal ethnic cleansing of millions of Germans after the war was over. Or the enslavement of hundreds of thousands of German POW by the ZUSA for mine clearing or other tasks.

    There is the holy Holocaust for instance, that the Soviet archives could debunk. Or a thousand other agreed upon-lies that both Russia and the ZUSA are mutually keeping a lid on.

    Indeed, I suspect that the whole 'Russian hacking' hysteria is because the ZUSA felt betrayed that Russia leaked Nuland's phone call. Even tho it proves that the entire ZUSA's lying narrative is a crock of shit.

    So it isn't just 9/11 where they hold some cards, they also have massive diamond mines that could eviscerate the global diamond trade, and piss off a lot of little Zios everywhere.

    So there is this sort of 'gentleman's' agreement between the two powers that they will keep each other's secrets as long as it's mutually beneficial to do so. Like making Germany wallow in eternal guilt. They both love doing that. Other things.

    So no, Putin is not a cub scout, but I believe he really wants to see Russia thrive in a stable world with trade and prosperity for Russians and others. I think he would like to go down in the books as a great Russian leader. Just as I suspect that Trump would like to go down in the books as a great American leader. The problem is the deepstate is determined to see both men go to war with each other and start WWIII

    “I think he would like to go down in the books as a great Russian leader”
    I am not sure he has the luxury to think about these vain ideas. Russia is in a dangerous situation.

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    Russia is in a dangerous situation.
     
    too true

    I wish he was able to have better relations with his neighbors. I believe the deepstate (zio-fiend- whatever you want to call it) is cynically using the lingering hostilities from the Soviet days to foment more strife between Russia and her neighbors.

    And I see no point to Poland and Estonia and Ukraine not getting along with Russia. It's all over perceptions and national egos and pointless narratives from days long gone.

    (or so it seems to me, thousands of miles away ; )

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  118. Rurik says:
    @annamaria
    "I think he would like to go down in the books as a great Russian leader"
    I am not sure he has the luxury to think about these vain ideas. Russia is in a dangerous situation.

    Russia is in a dangerous situation.

    too true

    I wish he was able to have better relations with his neighbors. I believe the deepstate (zio-fiend- whatever you want to call it) is cynically using the lingering hostilities from the Soviet days to foment more strife between Russia and her neighbors.

    And I see no point to Poland and Estonia and Ukraine not getting along with Russia. It’s all over perceptions and national egos and pointless narratives from days long gone.

    (or so it seems to me, thousands of miles away ; )

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  119. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Bruce Marshall
    And back to reality we have VIPS Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.
    Yes you read that right and they are going to the rotten core of this coup against the United States by presenting a report stating that the DNC was "Leaked" not hacked. The real hacking came from President Obama's weaponizing of our intelligence agencies against Russia. That is war, World War Three and it would seem now that Congress is marching that way, but the report below hold the key
    to fighting back.

    http://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2017/2017_30-39/2017-30/pdf/37-41_4430.pdf

    One of the VIPS is William Binney fomer NSA Technical Director, an important expert. leading the group is Ray McGovern with some whit and grace, well yes how about some sanity, to which humor is important to the insight and to stay in the sights of what is clever thievery and worse. Much worse,
    and there is a twinkle in the eye when realize that it is straight forward.

    And Congress could stop it tout sweet, but well old habits......but they have taken an Oath of Office, so, so what, yeah they did go after Bernie, so will you challenge your elected officials, either do their sworn duty or resign, for what this sanctions bill against Russia and Iran is a declaration of war, not only against Russia and Iran, but a declaration of war against the United States. for there is no reason to do this against Russia when indeed there are great opportunities to get along, but war is the insanity as it is sedition and treason. Tell them that,

    https://larouchepac.com/20170731/breaking-lyndon-larouche-crush-british-coup-against-president

    The emergence of Trump is the consequence of a deep state split that has resulted in a deep state civil war. Specifically, the split is between the CIA and the military for control of America’s foreign policy and military strategy.

    Trump “I am the most militaristic person ever” is the man backed by the Pentagon tired of being sent to war without the political will to win them. Hence, Trump’s lust to bomb the shit out of anyone who gets in America’s way, whereas Obama/Clinton were clients of the CIA, who seek a more subtle approach to global empire, more reliant on assassinations, terrorist proxies, and color revolutions than on application of overwhelming force.

    Hence the furious efforts by the, until now dominant, CIA, to oust Trump by whatever means necessary.

    America’s constitutional government, as is now clear, has long been defunct.

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    actually, that was just a random comment not intended to have any relation to anything Bruce Marshall may have said.
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    @CanSpeccy
    The emergence of Trump is the consequence of a deep state split that has resulted in a deep state civil war. Specifically, the split is between the CIA and the military for control of America's foreign policy and military strategy.

    Trump “I am the most militaristic person ever” is the man backed by the Pentagon tired of being sent to war without the political will to win them. Hence, Trump's lust to bomb the shit out of anyone who gets in America's way, whereas Obama/Clinton were clients of the CIA, who seek a more subtle approach to global empire, more reliant on assassinations, terrorist proxies, and color revolutions than on application of overwhelming force.

    Hence the furious efforts by the, until now dominant, CIA, to oust Trump by whatever means necessary.

    America's constitutional government, as is now clear, has long been defunct.

    actually, that was just a random comment not intended to have any relation to anything Bruce Marshall may have said.

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  121. @Rurik
    Putin is no girl scout Chuck, that's for sure. You don't get to where he's at unless you possess Machiavellian skills and can spot treachery.

    He mentioned Russia has satellite imagery of the 9/11 event that damagess the ZUSA lying “case.”
     
    he has much more than that

    he's in possession of Soviet archives that can demonstrate just how treasonous and diabolical the ZUSA actually has been. Their death camps for teenage German boys after the war was over, or the genocidal ethnic cleansing of millions of Germans after the war was over. Or the enslavement of hundreds of thousands of German POW by the ZUSA for mine clearing or other tasks.

    There is the holy Holocaust for instance, that the Soviet archives could debunk. Or a thousand other agreed upon-lies that both Russia and the ZUSA are mutually keeping a lid on.

    Indeed, I suspect that the whole 'Russian hacking' hysteria is because the ZUSA felt betrayed that Russia leaked Nuland's phone call. Even tho it proves that the entire ZUSA's lying narrative is a crock of shit.

    So it isn't just 9/11 where they hold some cards, they also have massive diamond mines that could eviscerate the global diamond trade, and piss off a lot of little Zios everywhere.

    So there is this sort of 'gentleman's' agreement between the two powers that they will keep each other's secrets as long as it's mutually beneficial to do so. Like making Germany wallow in eternal guilt. They both love doing that. Other things.

    So no, Putin is not a cub scout, but I believe he really wants to see Russia thrive in a stable world with trade and prosperity for Russians and others. I think he would like to go down in the books as a great Russian leader. Just as I suspect that Trump would like to go down in the books as a great American leader. The problem is the deepstate is determined to see both men go to war with each other and start WWIII

    Rurik,

    You know the Russian hacking ian hacking was theater and brought to Americans wbo are incapable of believing ex-President Carter’s truth about how U.S. democracy is over.

    In such case, in the minds of elite Zionist power brokers, Donald Trump can one day be considered a “great president” because ZUSA elections are theater.

    Vladimir Putin on the other hand is a statesman of our times. He’s that way because of not having a need to cater to the elite afflluent secular Jewd who facilitated Donald Trump’s crazy ascension to power and AIPAC of course.

    No matter what The Donald hopes his legacy to be, the final judgement will be done by Mastet Zionist planners who gave him the role of PofZUSA.

    Subsequently, the true statesmen of our world are enemies of the state of ZUSA.

    I am unconvinced about your assessment that “the deep state wants Putin and Trump to go to war.” The majority of what really transpires goes on behind closed doors. I for one fear for the possibility that Putin might stand down his support of the Islamic State of Iran and accommodate Netanyahu’s wish for expanding Israel borders.

    Such would make President Putin a great leader and one who even Senators Schumer and McCain can do (Goldman Sachs) business with.

    Finally, Rurik, except for it’s steady U.N
    votes, I know little about President Putin’s passion for Palestine.

    One thing bothers and it’s how Israelis can target “terrorists” in Syria, and minus a threat of a major incident with Russian jet fighters. As a former-Cub Scout, I wonder why Israel gets to do war and still chew the Juicy Fruit.

    Any thought you have is appreciated, Rurik. All is theater and by degree, we all suffer from a deliberate obstructed view. THANKS!

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    No matter what The Donald hopes his legacy to be, the final judgement will be done by Mastet Zionist planners who gave him the role of PofZUSA.
     
    what buoys me Chuck is that they seem to hate him so much. And are relentlessly attacking him.

    There must be something good about a guy that John McCain hates that much, no?

    Subsequently, the true statesmen of our world are enemies of the state of ZUSA.
     
    agreed

    I am unconvinced about your assessment that “the deep state wants Putin and Trump to go to war.”... ... I for one fear for the possibility that Putin might stand down his support of the Islamic State of Iran and accommodate Netanyahu’s wish for expanding Israel borders.
     
    the only reason they would want Trump and Putin to go to war is to impose upon Putin his vassal status, in order for Putin to 'get his mind right".

    http://bill37mccurdy.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/cool-hand-luke.jpg

    if Putin would agree that 'Assad has to go', so that Syria can come apart at the seams and Israel could steal the Golan once and for all, then all the hysteria about Putin would disappear over night, unless or until he forgot his place. Because as soon as they owned the Golan fee simple, and Cheney and Rothschild were pumping the oil, then they'd set their sights on something new, and everyone had better have their 'minds right'.

    Such would make President Putin a great leader and one who even Senators Schumer and McCain can do (Goldman Sachs) business with.
     
    yep, if Putin would only get his 'mind right'

    I know little about President Putin’s passion for Palestine.
     
    little I suppose. It's not about Palestine for Putin, or many others who (sadly) really aren't too concerned with those people per se. Rather it's about Palestine as the canary in the geopolitical coal mine. As goes the Palestinians, so goes the rest of us.

    how Israelis can target “terrorists” in Syria, and minus a threat of a major incident with Russian jet fighters
     
    Bibi (and his stooges like the ZUSA, Western Europe, Turkey, etc...) are fighting a proxy war with Russia right now in Syria to determine just how far ((their)) unilateral power extends. They figured they'd be able to destroy seven countries with no global resistance to speak of. And they were well on their way after Libya and on to Syria when Putin stepped in. Now they're in the process of trying to force Putin out so that they can continue with their agenda. But it's all a power-play. Right now between Russia and China and some others, Iran for instance, vs. the Glob Fiend (Israel and its NATO/Western lickspittles)

    That's where we're at.

    Putin and Bibi meet and make nice for the cameras, but they're engaged in a global battle for the fate of the planet. If Bibi prevails, then it's a unilateral planet we all live in, at the pleasure and whim of the Zionists. If Putin prevails, then there is some resistance to the absolute global domination of the planet by the Fiend.

    at least that's how I see it Chuck.

    Cheers!
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  122. @SteveRogers42
    1974.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Team#Secret_Team

    Thanks. Interesting.

    I’m not sure if I have previouy posted the thought I had that boring down into the detail of what is known about ex hypothesi unpubicised groups and activities one might find Hoover with his dirt file pretty well dominant in any area he was greatly interested in.

    Then you might find around the time of 9/11 enough rivalry and antagonism to make outcomes for Deep State people with purposes for government activity (no less if it was to cover for mafia style criminality as PG’s TAC article says was true of Turkey) to make control of any aspect of government very chancy.

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  123. @animalogic
    "...but President George W. Bush wanted his war and, by gum, he was going to get it if the CIA had any say in the matter."
    Not to defend the CIA, but didn't Rumsfeld, doubt the enthusiasm of the CIA for providing the slanted, bogus, "sexed up" intelligence the Executive required to make its "destroy Iraq now" case ? So Rumsfeld therefore set up an independent intelligence agency within the Defence Dept to provide/create the required "intelligence" ?

    Rummy was fighting based on the Colin Powell War Plans he was given. The 2003 invasion was the Powell Campaign.

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  124. @Macumazahn
    Exactly right. It's funny (or would be, if it weren't so sad) how the Left's complaint of "Russian meddling" boils down to, "If only the Russians hadn't revealed the truth about the Clinton campaign, she'd be President today." At first, some of them tried to claim that the hacked/leaked emails were fake, but that line of BS was soon replaced with the equally-unsubstantiated "collusion" narrative.

    “If only the Russians hadn’t revealed the truth about the Clinton campaign, she’d be President today.”

    She may have been President today if the election had been fairly conducted?

    “And it’s deadly. Doubtless, Crosscheck delivered Michigan to Trump who supposedly “won” the state by 10,700 votes. The Secretary of State’s office proudly told me that they were “very aggressive” in removing listed voters before the 2016 election. Kobach, who created the lists for his fellow GOP officials, tagged a whopping 417,147 in Michigan as potential double voters.”

    http://www.gregpalast.com/trump-picks-al-capone-vote-rigging-investigate-federal-voter-fraud/

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  125. @Michael Kenny
    Even if all US officials hated Russia (as distinct from Putin), that would not prove that either Russia or Putin were innocent of the things for which they have been criticised. Mr Giraldi has fallen into the illogical "America bad, not-America good" trap. If A calls B a liar and B proves that A is a liar, that doesn't prove that B isn't also a liar and maybe an even worse one than A!

    ” Mr Giraldi has fallen into the illogical “America bad, not-America good” trap.”

    Are you going to apologize to Mr Giraldi for this inaccurate comment?

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  126. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Rurik,

    You know the Russian hacking ian hacking was theater and brought to Americans wbo are incapable of believing ex-President Carter's truth about how U.S. democracy is over.

    In such case, in the minds of elite Zionist power brokers, Donald Trump can one day be considered a "great president" because ZUSA elections are theater.

    Vladimir Putin on the other hand is a statesman of our times. He's that way because of not having a need to cater to the elite afflluent secular Jewd who facilitated Donald Trump's crazy ascension to power and AIPAC of course.

    No matter what The Donald hopes his legacy to be, the final judgement will be done by Mastet Zionist planners who gave him the role of PofZUSA.

    Subsequently, the true statesmen of our world are enemies of the state of ZUSA.

    I am unconvinced about your assessment that "the deep state wants Putin and Trump to go to war." The majority of what really transpires goes on behind closed doors. I for one fear for the possibility that Putin might stand down his support of the Islamic State of Iran and accommodate Netanyahu's wish for expanding Israel borders.

    Such would make President Putin a great leader and one who even Senators Schumer and McCain can do (Goldman Sachs) business with.

    Finally, Rurik, except for it's steady U.N
    votes, I know little about President Putin's passion for Palestine.

    One thing bothers and it's how Israelis can target "terrorists" in Syria, and minus a threat of a major incident with Russian jet fighters. As a former-Cub Scout, I wonder why Israel gets to do war and still chew the Juicy Fruit.

    Any thought you have is appreciated, Rurik. All is theater and by degree, we all suffer from a deliberate obstructed view. THANKS!

    No matter what The Donald hopes his legacy to be, the final judgement will be done by Mastet Zionist planners who gave him the role of PofZUSA.

    what buoys me Chuck is that they seem to hate him so much. And are relentlessly attacking him.

    There must be something good about a guy that John McCain hates that much, no?

    Subsequently, the true statesmen of our world are enemies of the state of ZUSA.

    agreed

    I am unconvinced about your assessment that “the deep state wants Putin and Trump to go to war.”… … I for one fear for the possibility that Putin might stand down his support of the Islamic State of Iran and accommodate Netanyahu’s wish for expanding Israel borders.

    the only reason they would want Trump and Putin to go to war is to impose upon Putin his vassal status, in order for Putin to ‘get his mind right”.

    if Putin would agree that ‘Assad has to go’, so that Syria can come apart at the seams and Israel could steal the Golan once and for all, then all the hysteria about Putin would disappear over night, unless or until he forgot his place. Because as soon as they owned the Golan fee simple, and Cheney and Rothschild were pumping the oil, then they’d set their sights on something new, and everyone had better have their ‘minds right’.

    Such would make President Putin a great leader and one who even Senators Schumer and McCain can do (Goldman Sachs) business with.

    yep, if Putin would only get his ‘mind right’

    I know little about President Putin’s passion for Palestine.

    little I suppose. It’s not about Palestine for Putin, or many others who (sadly) really aren’t too concerned with those people per se. Rather it’s about Palestine as the canary in the geopolitical coal mine. As goes the Palestinians, so goes the rest of us.

    how Israelis can target “terrorists” in Syria, and minus a threat of a major incident with Russian jet fighters

    Bibi (and his stooges like the ZUSA, Western Europe, Turkey, etc…) are fighting a proxy war with Russia right now in Syria to determine just how far ((their)) unilateral power extends. They figured they’d be able to destroy seven countries with no global resistance to speak of. And they were well on their way after Libya and on to Syria when Putin stepped in. Now they’re in the process of trying to force Putin out so that they can continue with their agenda. But it’s all a power-play. Right now between Russia and China and some others, Iran for instance, vs. the Glob Fiend (Israel and its NATO/Western lickspittles)

    That’s where we’re at.

    Putin and Bibi meet and make nice for the cameras, but they’re engaged in a global battle for the fate of the planet. If Bibi prevails, then it’s a unilateral planet we all live in, at the pleasure and whim of the Zionists. If Putin prevails, then there is some resistance to the absolute global domination of the planet by the Fiend.

    at least that’s how I see it Chuck.

    Cheers!

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    Rurik,

    You're thinling is ecceptional & your comments are educational.

    A question. Did you read Carroll Quigley's book, "Tragedy & Hope"?

    Bill Clinton did and subsequently knew his role as PofZUSA.

    I respect how you intelligently use the word "fiend" so that all know!

    Thank you.
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  127. “In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.”

    People seem to be forgetting that Hillary was the real force behind moving Trump through the primaries and into the White House. Unless Hillary was working with the Russians to make that happen, I just don’t buy any Russian influence led to Trump being elected.

    And, I too know many people in the IC community, and not one of them voted for Hillary.

    The reason I think Trump ultimately won (and seems to have at least the CIA grunts’ respect) is because even within the groupthink mentality, there has been a desire to push back against the elites and rampant corruption and problems within our long overdue for an enema government.

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  128. @Rurik

    No matter what The Donald hopes his legacy to be, the final judgement will be done by Mastet Zionist planners who gave him the role of PofZUSA.
     
    what buoys me Chuck is that they seem to hate him so much. And are relentlessly attacking him.

    There must be something good about a guy that John McCain hates that much, no?

    Subsequently, the true statesmen of our world are enemies of the state of ZUSA.
     
    agreed

    I am unconvinced about your assessment that “the deep state wants Putin and Trump to go to war.”... ... I for one fear for the possibility that Putin might stand down his support of the Islamic State of Iran and accommodate Netanyahu’s wish for expanding Israel borders.
     
    the only reason they would want Trump and Putin to go to war is to impose upon Putin his vassal status, in order for Putin to 'get his mind right".

    http://bill37mccurdy.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/cool-hand-luke.jpg

    if Putin would agree that 'Assad has to go', so that Syria can come apart at the seams and Israel could steal the Golan once and for all, then all the hysteria about Putin would disappear over night, unless or until he forgot his place. Because as soon as they owned the Golan fee simple, and Cheney and Rothschild were pumping the oil, then they'd set their sights on something new, and everyone had better have their 'minds right'.

    Such would make President Putin a great leader and one who even Senators Schumer and McCain can do (Goldman Sachs) business with.
     
    yep, if Putin would only get his 'mind right'

    I know little about President Putin’s passion for Palestine.
     
    little I suppose. It's not about Palestine for Putin, or many others who (sadly) really aren't too concerned with those people per se. Rather it's about Palestine as the canary in the geopolitical coal mine. As goes the Palestinians, so goes the rest of us.

    how Israelis can target “terrorists” in Syria, and minus a threat of a major incident with Russian jet fighters
     
    Bibi (and his stooges like the ZUSA, Western Europe, Turkey, etc...) are fighting a proxy war with Russia right now in Syria to determine just how far ((their)) unilateral power extends. They figured they'd be able to destroy seven countries with no global resistance to speak of. And they were well on their way after Libya and on to Syria when Putin stepped in. Now they're in the process of trying to force Putin out so that they can continue with their agenda. But it's all a power-play. Right now between Russia and China and some others, Iran for instance, vs. the Glob Fiend (Israel and its NATO/Western lickspittles)

    That's where we're at.

    Putin and Bibi meet and make nice for the cameras, but they're engaged in a global battle for the fate of the planet. If Bibi prevails, then it's a unilateral planet we all live in, at the pleasure and whim of the Zionists. If Putin prevails, then there is some resistance to the absolute global domination of the planet by the Fiend.

    at least that's how I see it Chuck.

    Cheers!

    Rurik,

    You’re thinling is ecceptional & your comments are educational.

    A question. Did you read Carroll Quigley’s book, “Tragedy & Hope”?

    Bill Clinton did and subsequently knew his role as PofZUSA.

    I respect how you intelligently use the word “fiend” so that all know!

    Thank you.

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    Thank you Chuck

    I've not yet read Quigley's book, but I've read some of his thoughts, and he sure knew his stuff


    Money Power Seeks to Create a World System of Financial Control in Private Hands Able to Dominate Every Nation on Earth

    The powers of financial capitalism had [a] far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations.
     

    ~ Carroll Quigley, from Tragedy and Hope

    but then to really understand the Fiend, you have to read other stuff as well. The Protocols for instance, and Orwell's 1984. Those are two must reads if you really want to glimmer the nature of the Fiend.

    http://www.dashinvaine.co.uk/mr%20fiend.jpg

    you have to imagine what kind of people would get together and decide to create a firestorm in the city of Dresden at the end of WWII, when the city was overflowing with women and children and people (of all nationalities) fleeing the Red Army Rapists marching across Eastern Europe.

    'hey, let's burn all those people alive in a giant holocaust! We can use gelled gasoline- and then when the people come in to check for survivors, we can do it all again! Just think how many little children will watch their mothers burn, and mothers will watch their children burn, or slowly cooked alive in bomb shelters!' 'Yea, great idea!' ~ speaketh the Fiend

    or what the fiend did in Ukraine during the Holodomor, as it removed all the food from the region's most successful farmers (because they were the region's most successful farmers) and forced them all by the millions to die a slow death of starvation, and watch their children die excruciating and slow death in front of their eyes. (an unimaginable suffering for the pleasure of the men causing it and watching it unfold, day after day, week after week, month after month)

    There is something that lurks deep in the human 'triune' (reptilian) part of the brain where demons (fiends) persist. It is a theory of mine that this kind of all-consuming hatred is almost always a manifestation of raw, human envy. combined with a frustration when someone refuses to submit to your domination. It seems as though when some humans feel sufficient, all-consuming envy, it eats them up from the inside out with a murderous hatred that is otherworldly. And then when you add defiance of your power, it creates an insane hatred.

    the woman in this photo didn't just kill this boy and then burn his body with an acetylene torch, (used for cutting steel), rather she used the torch to torture/kill the bound up boy. And not for anything the boy did, but simply for being what the boy was. A healthy, well-adjusted reminder to the black lesbian of what she wasn't. And so she burned him alive.

    http://www.womenboxing.com/NEWS2011/images2011/tttnelsonmona325.jpg

    it isn't a person or persons that I call the Fiend, it is that tenacious monster in human form that is capable of hating to the point of demonic insanity.

    And this is where so much of the world's suffering emanates from. IMHO

    and if the human species is prudent, it will do all it can to prevent some uniquely envious people from gaining the kind of power over the rest of us that put us all at the very real jeapardy of being treated in ways to sate an insatiable hatred that lurks in the depths of the souls of certain psychopaths-

    http://watchdog.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2016/04/Hillary-Clinton-cold.jpg

    - who seek power for its own sake. And when that power is not sufficiently intimidating enough to make the rest of us submit, then their dark side shows though

    http://www.nationoftexas.com/waco/waco/www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/fire/fig/f_fig11.jpg

    the people at Waco were eventually told that the patience of the PTB had been exhausted, and that none of them could leave. And when some of them tried to, they were shot

    when the FBI set the place on fire, human instinct caused the people inside to try to flee. They were machine gunned at the only exit to the building. No one was leaving that holocaust alive.

    I saw the true nature of the Fiend that day, and again on 9/11

    (sorry Mr. G for rambling off topic)

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  129. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Rurik,

    You're thinling is ecceptional & your comments are educational.

    A question. Did you read Carroll Quigley's book, "Tragedy & Hope"?

    Bill Clinton did and subsequently knew his role as PofZUSA.

    I respect how you intelligently use the word "fiend" so that all know!

    Thank you.

    Thank you Chuck

    I’ve not yet read Quigley’s book, but I’ve read some of his thoughts, and he sure knew his stuff

    Money Power Seeks to Create a World System of Financial Control in Private Hands Able to Dominate Every Nation on Earth

    The powers of financial capitalism had [a] far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world’s central banks which were themselves private corporations.

    ~ Carroll Quigley, from Tragedy and Hope

    but then to really understand the Fiend, you have to read other stuff as well. The Protocols for instance, and Orwell’s 1984. Those are two must reads if you really want to glimmer the nature of the Fiend.

    you have to imagine what kind of people would get together and decide to create a firestorm in the city of Dresden at the end of WWII, when the city was overflowing with women and children and people (of all nationalities) fleeing the Red Army Rapists marching across Eastern Europe.

    ‘hey, let’s burn all those people alive in a giant holocaust! We can use gelled gasoline- and then when the people come in to check for survivors, we can do it all again! Just think how many little children will watch their mothers burn, and mothers will watch their children burn, or slowly cooked alive in bomb shelters!’ ‘Yea, great idea!’ ~ speaketh the Fiend

    or what the fiend did in Ukraine during the Holodomor, as it removed all the food from the region’s most successful farmers (because they were the region’s most successful farmers) and forced them all by the millions to die a slow death of starvation, and watch their children die excruciating and slow death in front of their eyes. (an unimaginable suffering for the pleasure of the men causing it and watching it unfold, day after day, week after week, month after month)

    There is something that lurks deep in the human ‘triune’ (reptilian) part of the brain where demons (fiends) persist. It is a theory of mine that this kind of all-consuming hatred is almost always a manifestation of raw, human envy. combined with a frustration when someone refuses to submit to your domination. It seems as though when some humans feel sufficient, all-consuming envy, it eats them up from the inside out with a murderous hatred that is otherworldly. And then when you add defiance of your power, it creates an insane hatred.

    the woman in this photo didn’t just kill this boy and then burn his body with an acetylene torch, (used for cutting steel), rather she used the torch to torture/kill the bound up boy. And not for anything the boy did, but simply for being what the boy was. A healthy, well-adjusted reminder to the black lesbian of what she wasn’t. And so she burned him alive.

    it isn’t a person or persons that I call the Fiend, it is that tenacious monster in human form that is capable of hating to the point of demonic insanity.

    And this is where so much of the world’s suffering emanates from. IMHO

    and if the human species is prudent, it will do all it can to prevent some uniquely envious people from gaining the kind of power over the rest of us that put us all at the very real jeapardy of being treated in ways to sate an insatiable hatred that lurks in the depths of the souls of certain psychopaths-

    - who seek power for its own sake. And when that power is not sufficiently intimidating enough to make the rest of us submit, then their dark side shows though

    the people at Waco were eventually told that the patience of the PTB had been exhausted, and that none of them could leave. And when some of them tried to, they were shot

    when the FBI set the place on fire, human instinct caused the people inside to try to flee. They were machine gunned at the only exit to the building. No one was leaving that holocaust alive.

    I saw the true nature of the Fiend that day, and again on 9/11

    (sorry Mr. G for rambling off topic)

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    Rurik,

    While washing clothes, I had another thought to share with you.

    The Resistance to ZUSA is over loaded with brilliant and daring secular fundamentalists who refrain from using the word evil as it relates to evil deeds, including of course the engineered reduction of American awareness. I.e., national Groupthink.

    Last time I looked, we have no Solzhenitsyn who posts regularly at sites like The Unz Review. However, President Reagan's flippant quip about "The Evil Empire" has gotten quite a curtain call from the secular Neocons.

    Calling Father Charles Coughlin! Oops... I might have better connected had I wrote "Channeling Father Coughlin."
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  130. Rurik,

    You should not have apologized for “rambling off topic.”

    Your comment # 129 went beyond the boundaries of mankind’s physical & intellectual means to become AWARE

    So yoi know the source, my reference to “fiend” came from a 14th century female recluse named Julian of Norwich.

    These days, she would not be appearing on either Morning Joe or The View, but I intuit Julian would have seen the fiend on-the-job & relishing the hellish nature of those respondible for Waco and 9/11 mass murders.

    Comment # 129 displays a wisdom which Brother Nathanael and the late-Thomas Merton would appreciate.

    F.Y.I. the Trappist monk Merton called the dark forces confronting President JFK the “Unspeakable.”
    He too spokr in simple language like Julian of Norwich and to date, neither had to apologize to the fiendish makers of Groupthink.

    Thank you for your servus!

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    Chuck,

    I'm humbled by your kindness and thoughtful replies. Would that I could but aspire to your gracious if lofty accolades sir. Nonetheless, I'm humbled.


    Merton called the dark forces confronting President JFK the “Unspeakable.”

     

    It sounds as if he knew and understood the fiend quite well. The decision to murder JFK, and more to the point, why they did so, certainly makes their evil "Unspeakable", as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps a perfect characterization.

    I was reflecting on what I had wrote about this sinister hatred that consumes people, and I thought of another person from history who also suffered from it: Joan of Arc. She too was hated for her virtues, and also because she would not submit to the earthly, mortal domination of men drunk on power and demanding submission, so they burned her alive... to sate an insatiable hatred.. just as with Dresden and Waco and that 12 year old boy.

    The Unspeakable.

    surely when you consider what they did on 9/11, and how they told the people over the PA systems in the second tower to go back to their offices and work stations, knowing the second plane was on its way... and ordering those people to their deaths- to bolster the casualties for the maximum sense of wrath... all so it could be used to mass-murder other innocent people- to suit an agenda that is so beyond evil, it is yes, Unspeakable.

    the video on those predator drones includes some of the most cutting edge technology known to man. Infrared and hi-resolution software much like military satellites. When they shoot a laser-guided Hellfire missile at a wedding, they know exactly what they're aiming at.

    They call what's left of the murdered people 'bug splats'.

    The Unspeakable. The Fiend.

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  131. Once again a very nice article from Philip Giraldi. Philip, I’m very much interested in your opinion of the following:
    I believe Putin was a KGB agent when the Russian army streamed across Afghanistan and invaded that country which it was disastrous and very embarrassing for the Russian after the Mojahedeen kicked them out of Afghanistan with much assistance from the US initiated by president Reagan! For certain Putin has NOT forgotten about the whole fiasco in Afghanistan and he has NOT forgiven president Reagan for creating Al-Qaida and arming them to teeth! In more recent past though, it appears that Putin has made his decision to make Syria a fiasco for the US and to certain degree he’s been successful in achieving his goal! Additionally Putin behind the seen is staying behind and supporting the Talibans in Afghanistan causing more loss of resources, aggravation and embarrassment for the US in this quagmire!

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  132. @Rurik
    Thank you Chuck

    I've not yet read Quigley's book, but I've read some of his thoughts, and he sure knew his stuff


    Money Power Seeks to Create a World System of Financial Control in Private Hands Able to Dominate Every Nation on Earth

    The powers of financial capitalism had [a] far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations.
     

    ~ Carroll Quigley, from Tragedy and Hope

    but then to really understand the Fiend, you have to read other stuff as well. The Protocols for instance, and Orwell's 1984. Those are two must reads if you really want to glimmer the nature of the Fiend.

    http://www.dashinvaine.co.uk/mr%20fiend.jpg

    you have to imagine what kind of people would get together and decide to create a firestorm in the city of Dresden at the end of WWII, when the city was overflowing with women and children and people (of all nationalities) fleeing the Red Army Rapists marching across Eastern Europe.

    'hey, let's burn all those people alive in a giant holocaust! We can use gelled gasoline- and then when the people come in to check for survivors, we can do it all again! Just think how many little children will watch their mothers burn, and mothers will watch their children burn, or slowly cooked alive in bomb shelters!' 'Yea, great idea!' ~ speaketh the Fiend

    or what the fiend did in Ukraine during the Holodomor, as it removed all the food from the region's most successful farmers (because they were the region's most successful farmers) and forced them all by the millions to die a slow death of starvation, and watch their children die excruciating and slow death in front of their eyes. (an unimaginable suffering for the pleasure of the men causing it and watching it unfold, day after day, week after week, month after month)

    There is something that lurks deep in the human 'triune' (reptilian) part of the brain where demons (fiends) persist. It is a theory of mine that this kind of all-consuming hatred is almost always a manifestation of raw, human envy. combined with a frustration when someone refuses to submit to your domination. It seems as though when some humans feel sufficient, all-consuming envy, it eats them up from the inside out with a murderous hatred that is otherworldly. And then when you add defiance of your power, it creates an insane hatred.

    the woman in this photo didn't just kill this boy and then burn his body with an acetylene torch, (used for cutting steel), rather she used the torch to torture/kill the bound up boy. And not for anything the boy did, but simply for being what the boy was. A healthy, well-adjusted reminder to the black lesbian of what she wasn't. And so she burned him alive.

    http://www.womenboxing.com/NEWS2011/images2011/tttnelsonmona325.jpg

    it isn't a person or persons that I call the Fiend, it is that tenacious monster in human form that is capable of hating to the point of demonic insanity.

    And this is where so much of the world's suffering emanates from. IMHO

    and if the human species is prudent, it will do all it can to prevent some uniquely envious people from gaining the kind of power over the rest of us that put us all at the very real jeapardy of being treated in ways to sate an insatiable hatred that lurks in the depths of the souls of certain psychopaths-

    http://watchdog.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2016/04/Hillary-Clinton-cold.jpg

    - who seek power for its own sake. And when that power is not sufficiently intimidating enough to make the rest of us submit, then their dark side shows though

    http://www.nationoftexas.com/waco/waco/www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/fire/fig/f_fig11.jpg

    the people at Waco were eventually told that the patience of the PTB had been exhausted, and that none of them could leave. And when some of them tried to, they were shot

    when the FBI set the place on fire, human instinct caused the people inside to try to flee. They were machine gunned at the only exit to the building. No one was leaving that holocaust alive.

    I saw the true nature of the Fiend that day, and again on 9/11

    (sorry Mr. G for rambling off topic)

    Rurik,

    While washing clothes, I had another thought to share with you.

    The Resistance to ZUSA is over loaded with brilliant and daring secular fundamentalists who refrain from using the word evil as it relates to evil deeds, including of course the engineered reduction of American awareness. I.e., national Groupthink.

    Last time I looked, we have no Solzhenitsyn who posts regularly at sites like The Unz Review. However, President Reagan’s flippant quip about “The Evil Empire” has gotten quite a curtain call from the secular Neocons.

    Calling Father Charles Coughlin! Oops… I might have better connected had I wrote “Channeling Father Coughlin.”

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    secular fundamentalists who refrain from using the word evil as it relates to evil deeds,
     
    I use the word Chuck, but my meaning is rather secular

    I consider evil that which causes suffering. And especially if it's deliberate, and especially if it's done for the pleasure of it.

    I can only wonder at how the screams and contorting body of that 12 year of boy being burned alive with a blowtorch must have given sadistic pleasure to that orc

    or the horror and incomprehensible suffering that Channon Christian endured, as the fiends laughed and giggled

    or how the burning alive of the denizens of Dresden or Waco was cause for lips curled into wry grins at the imagining of the hellish suffering

    http://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/sleuthjournal/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/31193140/hillary-clinton7.jpg

    Gadhafi was the best ruler on the African continent, and he didn't just die, he was tortured to death by screeching animals.

    http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-29-2015/H3B32s.gif

    the Unspeakable

    there is evil in the world, but when it manifests, it's also all too human
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  133. @Philip Giraldi
    Wiz - Here is an article I did on the Deep State two years ago. It was one of the first in the US media looking at the issue. It would have to be updated now in light of Trump, but much of what it states is still more-or-less correct.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/deep-state-america/

    I’m still to get full value out of reading and analysis of your TAC article but don’t want to lose these thoughts…. To wit…

    Since, ex hyopthesi, Deep State refers to a blsck box, albeit dynamically related to the outside world, i.e. it deals with hidden things which could be very different from suppositions about them and about superficially similar ones in otber polities, it is perhaps important to consider whether and in what circumstances it is actually useful to use the Deep State concept/expression/shorthand.

    In Turkey it seems an originally (arguably) justified Deep State long ago tipped over into being largely a criminal organaisation comparable to the Mafia. If everyone knew that then I can see that some, conscious of American corruption and white collar crime, or merely to make strong political points, might wish to use the expression tendentiously of America and maybe European counties. However, as a key point is one’s, nearly everyone’s ignorance, that doesn’t get one much further than (a) there are some things being done or neglected by government that are so bad or apparently stupid that we infer there are bad people with power in tbe background who are responsible (b) we also make the almost necessary inference that these people have many important levers of power available to them which can be exercised without accountability and with impunity even when not wholly or not at all legal. From that point one asks the cui bono and similar hardheaded questions and then, I suggest, runs into the problems of daunting complexity resulting from America’s amazing mix of often conflicting ideological and material interests and the ever present likelihood of an Edward Snowden popping up.

    I am not ready to suggest that “Deep State” should be no more than a convenient shorthand for forces at work behind the scenes which appear to have or share the knowledge, clout and de facto impunity of intelligence gathering bodies like the CIA or FBI (always adding the proviso that the CIA and FBI alone can prove that conflict between them is an ever possible complication). But that might be a reasonable suggestion. And that leads to the thought that even the flexible Deep State must be regarded as if some kind of mythical beast which changes shape, adds, alters and drops limbs and changes its preferred diet from month to month.

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    Wiz of Oz,

    Thanks for the Deep Thought on display in comment # 133, I'm especially fond of your last sentence.

    I am keenly aware that the international Zionist hierarchy know that their necessary attachment to (Z)USA has an expiration date. Indeed, historian Paul Kennedy's work on falling empires is not lost on the Elders.

    And just yesterday in the NYT, Thomas L. Friedman deceptively opined, "Donald Trump doesn't have a clue & China does. He theatrically makes it appear that Zionist Trump has no clue but he knows ZUSA is tanking but for its awesome military.

    G.H.W. proclamation of a New World Order was very cunning. The New World Order that is in embryo physical state, the Way favored by Russia & China, seat of power might be Moscow/Beijing.

    When one sees a vast flight of elite secular Jews out of NYC and Miami, the CHANGE process of the non-mythical "beast" is underway.

    Thanks, Wiz!
    , @Rurik

    Since, ex hyopthesi, Deep State refers to a blsck box,
     
    wow wiz!

    how inadvertently (or subconsciously!) true that is

    because the data from all eight black boxes from the 9/11 flights have never been made available to the public.

    those black boxes are indeed part of, and in the possession of the deepstate

    every single black box, including all the other evidence... (like the Pentagon videos of whatever it was that hit it.. so much more) are all in the care of people who are part and parcel of the deepstate.

    I suspect that in your subconscious you're aware of that, and you're starting to put the pieces together as it all coalesces in your (besotted) mind.

    soon you're going to be our best source of deepstate treachery and 9/11 perfidy and murder... once it all settles in, and you become aware wiz

    I look for a lot of truth coming from you in the weeks and months to come wiz, as you continue to connect the dots

    well done!
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  134. JL says:
    @CanSpeccy
    And with a view to expanding Russia's sphere of influence, Russia created (2010) the Eurasian Economic Community, intended, to morph, like the EU, into a de facto unified state.

    The trouble in Ukraine arose because the Anglos and the Euros wanted to prevent the reintegration of Ukraine into the Russian economic sphere.

    And with a view to expanding Russia’s sphere of influence, Russia created (2010) the Eurasian Economic Community, intended, to morph, like the EU, into a de facto unified state.

    The trouble in Ukraine arose because the Anglos and the Euros wanted to prevent the reintegration of Ukraine into the Russian economic sphere.

    These two comments contradict each other. If you have some evidence that the EEU is intended to eventually morph into a de facto unified state, you should present it. Because the agreement itself bends over backwards to stipulate the respect of sovereignty and individual political development. Furthermore, it is also designed to prevent Russia from dominating the Union due simply to its shear size relative to the other members. Modern Russia has enough problems governing the territory it already possesses and seems unwilling to take on many of the Soviet Union’s problems that eventually led to its demise.

    Your second sentence is correct because it uses the qualifier of “economic”. Russia’s interests in promoting the EEU are primarily economic, not political. Indeed, much of the Ukrainian imbroglio lies in Russia’s lap largely because it ignored the political element. Business only, so to speak. The deal was basically discounted gas and open markets from Russia in return for geopolitical neutrality (i.e., not pro-Russian orientation). This left a gaping vacuum for the West to use its most potent weapon, soft power.

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    If you have some evidence that the EEU is intended to eventually morph into a de facto unified state...
     
    It's a customs union not a political union, the proponents of the Zollverein no doubt assured as Prussia laid the foundations for the German state.

    Likewise, when Britain joined the EU. Then, the EU had the innocent-enough-sounding name, the European Common Market. It was under that false prospectus that the perv., Ted Heath, sold the British public on joining: It's as a free trade agreement not a political union the British were assured.

    Now the survival of the EU is seen to depend on the formation of a unified Treasury and military, thereby completing the formation of the European superstate.

    People don't give up their sovereignty easily, as the US Southern states demonstrated. The trick to taking it without war is to proceed by stealth. For NATO and those who plotted the Maidan, it was vital to get the Ukraine out of the EEU and into the EU.

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  135. @Wizard of Oz
    I'm still to get full value out of reading and analysis of your TAC article but don't want to lose these thoughts.... To wit...

    Since, ex hyopthesi, Deep State refers to a blsck box, albeit dynamically related to the outside world, i.e. it deals with hidden things which could be very different from suppositions about them and about superficially similar ones in otber polities, it is perhaps important to consider whether and in what circumstances it is actually useful to use the Deep State concept/expression/shorthand.

    In Turkey it seems an originally (arguably) justified Deep State long ago tipped over into being largely a criminal organaisation comparable to the Mafia. If everyone knew that then I can see that some, conscious of American corruption and white collar crime, or merely to make strong political points, might wish to use the expression tendentiously of America and maybe European counties. However, as a key point is one's, nearly everyone's ignorance, that doesn't get one much further than (a) there are some things being done or neglected by government that are so bad or apparently stupid that we infer there are bad people with power in tbe background who are responsible (b) we also make the almost necessary inference that these people have many important levers of power available to them which can be exercised without accountability and with impunity even when not wholly or not at all legal. From that point one asks the cui bono and similar hardheaded questions and then, I suggest, runs into the problems of daunting complexity resulting from America's amazing mix of often conflicting ideological and material interests and the ever present likelihood of an Edward Snowden popping up.

    I am not ready to suggest that "Deep State" should be no more than a convenient shorthand for forces at work behind the scenes which appear to have or share the knowledge, clout and de facto impunity of intelligence gathering bodies like the CIA or FBI (always adding the proviso that the CIA and FBI alone can prove that conflict between them is an ever possible complication). But that might be a reasonable suggestion. And that leads to the thought that even the flexible Deep State must be regarded as if some kind of mythical beast which changes shape, adds, alters and drops limbs and changes its preferred diet from month to month.

    Wiz of Oz,

    Thanks for the Deep Thought on display in comment # 133, I’m especially fond of your last sentence.

    I am keenly aware that the international Zionist hierarchy know that their necessary attachment to (Z)USA has an expiration date. Indeed, historian Paul Kennedy’s work on falling empires is not lost on the Elders.

    And just yesterday in the NYT, Thomas L. Friedman deceptively opined, “Donald Trump doesn’t have a clue & China does. He theatrically makes it appear that Zionist Trump has no clue but he knows ZUSA is tanking but for its awesome military.

    G.H.W. proclamation of a New World Order was very cunning. The New World Order that is in embryo physical state, the Way favored by Russia & China, seat of power might be Moscow/Beijing.

    When one sees a vast flight of elite secular Jews out of NYC and Miami, the CHANGE process of the non-mythical “beast” is underway.

    Thanks, Wiz!

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    Are all those "elite secular Jews" in NYC learning Chinese in disproportionate numbers? Are their chidren doimg so? If not I daresay you would be of the view that it is Apocalypse Postponed???

    PS Most of my under 20 relations are learnimg Chimese except for those who alresdy have to keep up trilingualism without studying Chinese. (And if it were up to me I would say Maths 1. Chinese 2)
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  136. When one sees a vast flight of elite secular Jews out of NYC and Miami, the CHANGE process of the non-mythical “beast” is underway.

    It’s going the other direction: Jews are leaving Israel for USA (and Berlin), and many “Jews” who left Russia in the ’80s are returning, never having acculturated to what they considered culturally backward life in Israel.
    (“Jews” in scare quotes because, as a Sephardic Jew told me at a J-Street meeting some years ago, Israel recognizes two kinds of people — Jews and Arabs. Any Russian who migrated to Israel was, by definition, not an Arab, therefore, a Jew. Might have been a Christian Jew, a Russian Orthodox Jew, an atheist Jew, but if not an Arab, then a Jew.)

    Around 40 percent of recent immigrants to Israel consider returning to their countries of origin, according to a study carried out by Gvahim, a nongovernmental organization that works for the integration of immigrant academics. The NGO surveyed 300 new arrivals, 59% of from the United States and France. http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Four-out-of-10-new-immigrants-to-Israel-consider-returning-to-country-of-origin-391751

    June 2017 A new report revealed an increase in the number of Russian Jews who migrate from Israel to other countries or to their original home in Russia and the former Soviet Union.

    The report, released by the Knesset Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs, revealed that 38 per cent of the total 290,300 immigrants who left Israel without return within the past 14 years are Russian immigrants.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170609-report-rise-in-number-of-russian-jews-leaving-israel/

    Jerusalem Post Israel News
    ‘A THIRD OF SECULAR ISRAELI JEWS WANT TO MOVE ABROAD’

    > Herzog: Get ready for mass aliya from US due to anti-Semitism
    MARCH 20, 2017

    “The fact that so many people say they would leave the country if they could indicates that many Israeli citizens do not feel a sense of belonging to the state.” http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/A-third-of-secular-Israeli-Jews-want-to-move-abroad-484690

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    Thanks for the comment which transferred my thought into practical & observable reality.

    Bear with a flight into dystopia?

    I am projecting a time when (Z)USA is no longer the center of the New World Order and the elite secular Jews realize they have out worn their welcome and need a change.

    No claim to being Nostrodamus, and I imagine a time when there is a Neo New York City, where "people never sleep," let's say, Bangkok. Grandchildren of the C.F.R. and Blackwater are welcome and will be comp'd.

    A West Bank Wall Street, a holocaust museum in Waco, a Pope visits Sochi, an al-Qaeda theme park in Cuba, a Brighton Beach in Benghazi, a Dulles Way in Venezuela, the son of the son of Jared Kuchner playing Monopoly in Finland, Resorts International in the Bohemian Forest.

    As Chinese make inroad into Hollywood, future Arnon Milchans can do business and "set up shop" in post-raped Nanjing.

    Endless possibilities for the phoney saviors of western civilization?

    President G.H.W. Bush's N.W.O. with American supremacy is coming to a speedy & designed omega point.

    A New New World Order is on the Master Zionist horizon and the Greater Israel is scheduled to become the world's Exceptional Nation; love it, leave it, but do not fuck with it unless you care.

    Guten nachten.
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  137. @ChuckOrloski
    Wiz of Oz,

    Thanks for the Deep Thought on display in comment # 133, I'm especially fond of your last sentence.

    I am keenly aware that the international Zionist hierarchy know that their necessary attachment to (Z)USA has an expiration date. Indeed, historian Paul Kennedy's work on falling empires is not lost on the Elders.

    And just yesterday in the NYT, Thomas L. Friedman deceptively opined, "Donald Trump doesn't have a clue & China does. He theatrically makes it appear that Zionist Trump has no clue but he knows ZUSA is tanking but for its awesome military.

    G.H.W. proclamation of a New World Order was very cunning. The New World Order that is in embryo physical state, the Way favored by Russia & China, seat of power might be Moscow/Beijing.

    When one sees a vast flight of elite secular Jews out of NYC and Miami, the CHANGE process of the non-mythical "beast" is underway.

    Thanks, Wiz!

    Are all those “elite secular Jews” in NYC learning Chinese in disproportionate numbers? Are their chidren doimg so? If not I daresay you would be of the view that it is Apocalypse Postponed???

    PS Most of my under 20 relations are learnimg Chimese except for those who alresdy have to keep up trilingualism without studying Chinese. (And if it were up to me I would say Maths 1. Chinese 2)

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    Any chance that some of those under 20 relations could assist you with your English?
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  138. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Rurik,

    You should not have apologized for "rambling off topic."

    Your comment # 129 went beyond the boundaries of mankind's physical & intellectual means to become AWARE

    So yoi know the source, my reference to "fiend" came from a 14th century female recluse named Julian of Norwich.

    These days, she would not be appearing on either Morning Joe or The View, but I intuit Julian would have seen the fiend on-the-job & relishing the hellish nature of those respondible for Waco and 9/11 mass murders.

    Comment # 129 displays a wisdom which Brother Nathanael and the late-Thomas Merton would appreciate.

    F.Y.I. the Trappist monk Merton called the dark forces confronting President JFK the "Unspeakable."
    He too spokr in simple language like Julian of Norwich and to date, neither had to apologize to the fiendish makers of Groupthink.

    Thank you for your servus!

    Chuck,

    I’m humbled by your kindness and thoughtful replies. Would that I could but aspire to your gracious if lofty accolades sir. Nonetheless, I’m humbled.

    Merton called the dark forces confronting President JFK the “Unspeakable.”

    It sounds as if he knew and understood the fiend quite well. The decision to murder JFK, and more to the point, why they did so, certainly makes their evil “Unspeakable”, as far as I’m concerned. Perhaps a perfect characterization.

    I was reflecting on what I had wrote about this sinister hatred that consumes people, and I thought of another person from history who also suffered from it: Joan of Arc. She too was hated for her virtues, and also because she would not submit to the earthly, mortal domination of men drunk on power and demanding submission, so they burned her alive… to sate an insatiable hatred.. just as with Dresden and Waco and that 12 year old boy.

    The Unspeakable.

    surely when you consider what they did on 9/11, and how they told the people over the PA systems in the second tower to go back to their offices and work stations, knowing the second plane was on its way… and ordering those people to their deaths- to bolster the casualties for the maximum sense of wrath… all so it could be used to mass-murder other innocent people- to suit an agenda that is so beyond evil, it is yes, Unspeakable.

    the video on those predator drones includes some of the most cutting edge technology known to man. Infrared and hi-resolution software much like military satellites. When they shoot a laser-guided Hellfire missile at a wedding, they know exactly what they’re aiming at.

    They call what’s left of the murdered people ‘bug splats’.

    The Unspeakable. The Fiend.

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    what 12 year old boy are you talking about? the Palestinian boy fed gasoline then set afire??

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/05/palestinian-boy-mohammed-abu-khdeir-burned-alive

    Mohamed Abu Khdeir, the Palestinian teenager who was kidnapped and murdered on Wednesday in a suspected revenge killing by Israeli extremists, was burned alive after suffering a head injury, the Palestinian attorney general has claimed

    The allegation is said to be based on initial postmortem findings that discovered soot deposits in his lungs suggesting he was still breathing when he was set on fire. The shocking details, if confirmed, would seem likely to exacerbate already toxic tensions.
     
    , @ChuckOrloski
    Rurik,

    If possible, please read Bernard Shaw's forward to his play, "Joan.of Arc."

    This is mentioned in Le Carre's novel,"The Little Drummer Girl."

    Joan of Arc characters pose walking & talking impediments to the Unspeakable's best laid "agenda."

    Here's a fairly less known M.L.K. quote:

    "I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values."

    ZUSA made great advances to the opposite and that's how America The Beautiful became the land of the "Fiend" and the home of the "Groupthink" slave.

    Thank you!
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  139. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Rurik,

    While washing clothes, I had another thought to share with you.

    The Resistance to ZUSA is over loaded with brilliant and daring secular fundamentalists who refrain from using the word evil as it relates to evil deeds, including of course the engineered reduction of American awareness. I.e., national Groupthink.

    Last time I looked, we have no Solzhenitsyn who posts regularly at sites like The Unz Review. However, President Reagan's flippant quip about "The Evil Empire" has gotten quite a curtain call from the secular Neocons.

    Calling Father Charles Coughlin! Oops... I might have better connected had I wrote "Channeling Father Coughlin."

    secular fundamentalists who refrain from using the word evil as it relates to evil deeds,

    I use the word Chuck, but my meaning is rather secular

    I consider evil that which causes suffering. And especially if it’s deliberate, and especially if it’s done for the pleasure of it.

    I can only wonder at how the screams and contorting body of that 12 year of boy being burned alive with a blowtorch must have given sadistic pleasure to that orc

    or the horror and incomprehensible suffering that Channon Christian endured, as the fiends laughed and giggled

    or how the burning alive of the denizens of Dresden or Waco was cause for lips curled into wry grins at the imagining of the hellish suffering

    Gadhafi was the best ruler on the African continent, and he didn’t just die, he was tortured to death by screeching animals.

    the Unspeakable

    there is evil in the world, but when it manifests, it’s also all too human

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  140. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I'm still to get full value out of reading and analysis of your TAC article but don't want to lose these thoughts.... To wit...

    Since, ex hyopthesi, Deep State refers to a blsck box, albeit dynamically related to the outside world, i.e. it deals with hidden things which could be very different from suppositions about them and about superficially similar ones in otber polities, it is perhaps important to consider whether and in what circumstances it is actually useful to use the Deep State concept/expression/shorthand.

    In Turkey it seems an originally (arguably) justified Deep State long ago tipped over into being largely a criminal organaisation comparable to the Mafia. If everyone knew that then I can see that some, conscious of American corruption and white collar crime, or merely to make strong political points, might wish to use the expression tendentiously of America and maybe European counties. However, as a key point is one's, nearly everyone's ignorance, that doesn't get one much further than (a) there are some things being done or neglected by government that are so bad or apparently stupid that we infer there are bad people with power in tbe background who are responsible (b) we also make the almost necessary inference that these people have many important levers of power available to them which can be exercised without accountability and with impunity even when not wholly or not at all legal. From that point one asks the cui bono and similar hardheaded questions and then, I suggest, runs into the problems of daunting complexity resulting from America's amazing mix of often conflicting ideological and material interests and the ever present likelihood of an Edward Snowden popping up.

    I am not ready to suggest that "Deep State" should be no more than a convenient shorthand for forces at work behind the scenes which appear to have or share the knowledge, clout and de facto impunity of intelligence gathering bodies like the CIA or FBI (always adding the proviso that the CIA and FBI alone can prove that conflict between them is an ever possible complication). But that might be a reasonable suggestion. And that leads to the thought that even the flexible Deep State must be regarded as if some kind of mythical beast which changes shape, adds, alters and drops limbs and changes its preferred diet from month to month.

    Since, ex hyopthesi, Deep State refers to a blsck box,

    wow wiz!

    how inadvertently (or subconsciously!) true that is

    because the data from all eight black boxes from the 9/11 flights have never been made available to the public.

    those black boxes are indeed part of, and in the possession of the deepstate

    every single black box, including all the other evidence… (like the Pentagon videos of whatever it was that hit it.. so much more) are all in the care of people who are part and parcel of the deepstate.

    I suspect that in your subconscious you’re aware of that, and you’re starting to put the pieces together as it all coalesces in your (besotted) mind.

    soon you’re going to be our best source of deepstate treachery and 9/11 perfidy and murder… once it all settles in, and you become aware wiz

    I look for a lot of truth coming from you in the weeks and months to come wiz, as you continue to connect the dots

    well done!

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  141. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rurik
    Chuck,

    I'm humbled by your kindness and thoughtful replies. Would that I could but aspire to your gracious if lofty accolades sir. Nonetheless, I'm humbled.


    Merton called the dark forces confronting President JFK the “Unspeakable.”

     

    It sounds as if he knew and understood the fiend quite well. The decision to murder JFK, and more to the point, why they did so, certainly makes their evil "Unspeakable", as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps a perfect characterization.

    I was reflecting on what I had wrote about this sinister hatred that consumes people, and I thought of another person from history who also suffered from it: Joan of Arc. She too was hated for her virtues, and also because she would not submit to the earthly, mortal domination of men drunk on power and demanding submission, so they burned her alive... to sate an insatiable hatred.. just as with Dresden and Waco and that 12 year old boy.

    The Unspeakable.

    surely when you consider what they did on 9/11, and how they told the people over the PA systems in the second tower to go back to their offices and work stations, knowing the second plane was on its way... and ordering those people to their deaths- to bolster the casualties for the maximum sense of wrath... all so it could be used to mass-murder other innocent people- to suit an agenda that is so beyond evil, it is yes, Unspeakable.

    the video on those predator drones includes some of the most cutting edge technology known to man. Infrared and hi-resolution software much like military satellites. When they shoot a laser-guided Hellfire missile at a wedding, they know exactly what they're aiming at.

    They call what's left of the murdered people 'bug splats'.

    The Unspeakable. The Fiend.

    what 12 year old boy are you talking about? the Palestinian boy fed gasoline then set afire??

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/05/palestinian-boy-mohammed-abu-khdeir-burned-alive

    Mohamed Abu Khdeir, the Palestinian teenager who was kidnapped and murdered on Wednesday in a suspected revenge killing by Israeli extremists, was burned alive after suffering a head injury, the Palestinian attorney general has claimed

    The allegation is said to be based on initial postmortem findings that discovered soot deposits in his lungs suggesting he was still breathing when he was set on fire. The shocking details, if confirmed, would seem likely to exacerbate already toxic tensions.

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    the Palestinian boy fed gasoline then set afire??
     
    I wasn't speaking about that one, but that case is remarkably similar to the one I was speaking of...

    Mona Nelson Trial – The Blowtorch Killer

    Posted on August 16, 2013 by sundance

    A black lady, Mona Nelson, kidnapped a 12 year old white boy, Jonathan Foster, from his home on Christmas eve 2010. She tied him up with twine and then burned him to death with a blowtorch. When she was finished she took his burned lifeless body out to the woods and threw him in a ditch. Her trial began this week.

    The national media continues ignores the story…. We share it because no-one else will.
     

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/08/16/day-3-mona-nelson-trial-the-blowtorch-killer/

    both of these horrific murders are similar in other ways as well, if you consider how the ((media)) would react if the race of the victims and perpetrators were reversed

    just imagine if a Jewish boy had been burned alive by some Palestinians?!

    or equally, if a black lesbian had been burned alive by a white male!

    the screeching would be earth-shatteringly thunderous and the outrage would fill every media whore's ragging red face

    Presidents and Prime Ministers would all weigh in with solemn words of moral outrage

    but since the races involved are what they are, there's nothing

    except no doubt some giggling

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  142. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @JL

    And with a view to expanding Russia’s sphere of influence, Russia created (2010) the Eurasian Economic Community, intended, to morph, like the EU, into a de facto unified state.
     

    The trouble in Ukraine arose because the Anglos and the Euros wanted to prevent the reintegration of Ukraine into the Russian economic sphere.
     
    These two comments contradict each other. If you have some evidence that the EEU is intended to eventually morph into a de facto unified state, you should present it. Because the agreement itself bends over backwards to stipulate the respect of sovereignty and individual political development. Furthermore, it is also designed to prevent Russia from dominating the Union due simply to its shear size relative to the other members. Modern Russia has enough problems governing the territory it already possesses and seems unwilling to take on many of the Soviet Union's problems that eventually led to its demise.

    Your second sentence is correct because it uses the qualifier of "economic". Russia's interests in promoting the EEU are primarily economic, not political. Indeed, much of the Ukrainian imbroglio lies in Russia's lap largely because it ignored the political element. Business only, so to speak. The deal was basically discounted gas and open markets from Russia in return for geopolitical neutrality (i.e., not pro-Russian orientation). This left a gaping vacuum for the West to use its most potent weapon, soft power.

    If you have some evidence that the EEU is intended to eventually morph into a de facto unified state…

    It’s a customs union not a political union, the proponents of the Zollverein no doubt assured as Prussia laid the foundations for the German state.

    Likewise, when Britain joined the EU. Then, the EU had the innocent-enough-sounding name, the European Common Market. It was under that false prospectus that the perv., Ted Heath, sold the British public on joining: It’s as a free trade agreement not a political union the British were assured.

    Now the survival of the EU is seen to depend on the formation of a unified Treasury and military, thereby completing the formation of the European superstate.

    People don’t give up their sovereignty easily, as the US Southern states demonstrated. The trick to taking it without war is to proceed by stealth. For NATO and those who plotted the Maidan, it was vital to get the Ukraine out of the EEU and into the EU.

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  143. Rurik says:
    @anonymous
    what 12 year old boy are you talking about? the Palestinian boy fed gasoline then set afire??

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/05/palestinian-boy-mohammed-abu-khdeir-burned-alive

    Mohamed Abu Khdeir, the Palestinian teenager who was kidnapped and murdered on Wednesday in a suspected revenge killing by Israeli extremists, was burned alive after suffering a head injury, the Palestinian attorney general has claimed

    The allegation is said to be based on initial postmortem findings that discovered soot deposits in his lungs suggesting he was still breathing when he was set on fire. The shocking details, if confirmed, would seem likely to exacerbate already toxic tensions.
     

    the Palestinian boy fed gasoline then set afire??

    I wasn’t speaking about that one, but that case is remarkably similar to the one I was speaking of…

    Mona Nelson Trial – The Blowtorch Killer

    Posted on August 16, 2013 by sundance

    A black lady, Mona Nelson, kidnapped a 12 year old white boy, Jonathan Foster, from his home on Christmas eve 2010. She tied him up with twine and then burned him to death with a blowtorch. When she was finished she took his burned lifeless body out to the woods and threw him in a ditch. Her trial began this week.

    The national media continues ignores the story…. We share it because no-one else will.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/08/16/day-3-mona-nelson-trial-the-blowtorch-killer/

    both of these horrific murders are similar in other ways as well, if you consider how the ((media)) would react if the race of the victims and perpetrators were reversed

    just imagine if a Jewish boy had been burned alive by some Palestinians?!

    or equally, if a black lesbian had been burned alive by a white male!

    the screeching would be earth-shatteringly thunderous and the outrage would fill every media whore’s ragging red face

    Presidents and Prime Ministers would all weigh in with solemn words of moral outrage

    but since the races involved are what they are, there’s nothing

    except no doubt some giggling

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  144. @Rurik
    Chuck,

    I'm humbled by your kindness and thoughtful replies. Would that I could but aspire to your gracious if lofty accolades sir. Nonetheless, I'm humbled.


    Merton called the dark forces confronting President JFK the “Unspeakable.”

     

    It sounds as if he knew and understood the fiend quite well. The decision to murder JFK, and more to the point, why they did so, certainly makes their evil "Unspeakable", as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps a perfect characterization.

    I was reflecting on what I had wrote about this sinister hatred that consumes people, and I thought of another person from history who also suffered from it: Joan of Arc. She too was hated for her virtues, and also because she would not submit to the earthly, mortal domination of men drunk on power and demanding submission, so they burned her alive... to sate an insatiable hatred.. just as with Dresden and Waco and that 12 year old boy.

    The Unspeakable.

    surely when you consider what they did on 9/11, and how they told the people over the PA systems in the second tower to go back to their offices and work stations, knowing the second plane was on its way... and ordering those people to their deaths- to bolster the casualties for the maximum sense of wrath... all so it could be used to mass-murder other innocent people- to suit an agenda that is so beyond evil, it is yes, Unspeakable.

    the video on those predator drones includes some of the most cutting edge technology known to man. Infrared and hi-resolution software much like military satellites. When they shoot a laser-guided Hellfire missile at a wedding, they know exactly what they're aiming at.

    They call what's left of the murdered people 'bug splats'.

    The Unspeakable. The Fiend.

    Rurik,

    If possible, please read Bernard Shaw’s forward to his play, “Joan.of Arc.”

    This is mentioned in Le Carre’s novel,”The Little Drummer Girl.”

    Joan of Arc characters pose walking & talking impediments to the Unspeakable’s best laid “agenda.”

    Here’s a fairly less known M.L.K. quote:

    “I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values.”

    ZUSA made great advances to the opposite and that’s how America The Beautiful became the land of the “Fiend” and the home of the “Groupthink” slave.

    Thank you!

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    I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world
     
    Sounds good, doesn't. But what does getting on the right side of the World actually mean?

    Opening the borders to unlimited Third World immigration? That'd be popular in the Third World.

    Abandoning the drive for military supremacy? That'd be popular with Russia, China, in fact everyone, except American client states that depend on the US for their defense.

    Taxing Americans to pay for a massive global aid project? That would be popular throughout Africa and many other places.

    Gutting American industry in the name of climate policy? That would be popular with China, India and other big polluters, who'd benefit from more American jobs and less climate change.

    But, in fact, America does what all great powers have always done, which is maximize American, power, wealth and status in the world. If that gets America on the wrong side of every other self-serving nation in the world, who in America should really care?

    The real issue is thus not about getting on the right side of the world but of creating a world system that will not blow up. And throwing away all you political, military and economic advantage at the outset may not be the best way of getting there.
    , @Rurik

    Bernard Shaw’s forward to his play, “Joan.of Arc.”
     
    looked around for this.. found this:

    She patronized her own king, and summoned the English king to repentance and obedience to her commands. She lectured, talked down, and overruled statesmen and prelates. She pooh-poohed the plans of generals, leading their troops to victory on plans of her own. She had an unbounded and quite unconcealed contempt for official opinion, judgment, and authority, and for War Office tactics and strategy.
     
    [my emphasis]

    ..Now it is always hard for superior wits to understand the fury roused by their exposures of the stupidities of comparative dullards. Even Socrates, for all his age and experience, did not defend himself at his trial like a man who understood the long accumulated fury that had burst on him, and was clamoring for his death. His accuser, if born 2300 years later, might have been picked out of any first class carriage on a suburban railway during the evening or morning rush from or to the City; for he had really nothing to say except that he and his like could not endure being shown up as idiots every time Socrates opened his mouth. ...
    He had no suspicion of the extent to which his mental superiority had roused fear and hatred against him in the hearts of men towards whom he was conscious of nothing but good will and good service.
     

    ... when Richard Wagner was a young man he saw and avoided a crowd of people hastening to see a soldier broken on the wheel by the more cruel of the two ways of carrying out that hideous method of execution. Also that the penalty of hanging, drawing, and quartering, unmentionable in its details, was abolished so recently that there are men living who have been sentenced to it. ...
    ...rousing any more compunction than the burning of heretics did in the Middle Ages...
     
    or of the burning alive of hundreds of thousands of women and children, condemned to unimaginable horrors to sate the unholy demon's wrath of the fiend- that lurks in humans today as surely as it did in the hearts of the men who burned Joan of Arc alive. 'They defied my power?! Burn them all alive!'

    ... The Church should have confined itself to excommunicating her. There it was within its rights: she had refused to accept its authority or comply with its conditions; and it could say with truth 'You are not one of us: go forth and find the religion that suits you, or found one for yourself.' It had no right to say 'You may return to us now that you have recanted; but you shall stay in a dungeon all the rest of your life.' Unfortunately, The Church did not believe that there was any genuine soul saving religion outside itself...
    ... Its method was not cruelty for cruelty's sake, but cruelty for the salvation of Joan's soul. Joan, however, believed that the saving of her soul was her own business, and not that of les gens d'eglise. By using that term as she did, mistrustfully and contemptuously, she announced herself as, in germ, an anti-Clerical as thoroughgoing as Voltaire or Anatole France. Had she said in so many words 'To the dustbin with the Church Militant and its blackcoated officials: I recognize only the Church Triumphant in heaven,' she would hardly have put her view more plainly.
     
    [again, my emphasis]

    The Churches must learn humility as well as teach it... .. When the Church Militant behaves as if it were already the Church Triumphant, it makes these appalling blunders about Joan and Bruno and Galileo and the rest which make it so difficult for a Freethinker to join it; and a Church which has no place for Freethinkers: nay, which does not inculcate and encourage freethinking with a complete belief that thought, when really free, must by its own law take the path that leads to The Church's bosom, not only has no future in modern culture, but obviously has no faith in the valid science of its own tenets, and is guilty of the heresy that theology and science are two different and opposite impulses, rivals for human allegiance.
     

    This is Joan's lesson to The Church; and its formulation by the hand of a priest emboldens me to claim that her canonization was a magnificently Catholic gesture as the canonization of a Protestant saint by the Church of Rome. But its special value and virtue cannot be apparent until it is known and understood as such. If any simple priest for whom this is too hard a saying tells me that it was not so intended, I shall remind him that the Church is in the hands of God, and not, as simple priests imagine, God in the hands of the Church; so if he answers too confidently for God's intentions he may be asked 'Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the recesses of the deep?' And Joan's own answer is also the answer of old: 'Though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him; but I will maintain my own ways before Him.'
     

    When the Church was a temporal as well as a spiritual power, and for long after to the full extent to which it could control or influence the temporal power, it enforced conformity by persecutions that were all the more ruthless because their intention was so excellent. Today, when the doctor has succeeded to the priest, and can do practically what he likes with parliament and the press through the blind faith in him which has succeeded to the far more critical faith in the parson, legal compulsion to take the doctor's prescription, however poisonous, is carried to an extent that would have horrified the Inquisition and staggered Archbishop Laud. Our credulity is grosser than that of the Middle Ages, because the priest had no such direct pecuniary interest in our sins as the doctor has in our diseases: he did not starve when all was well with his flock, nor prosper when they were perishing, as our private commercial doctors must. Also the medieval cleric believed that something extremely unpleasant would happen to him after death if he was unscrupulous, a belief now practically extinct among persons receiving a dogmatically materialist education. Our professional corporations are Trade Unions without souls to be damned; and they will soon drive us to remind them that they have bodies to be kicked. The Vatican was never soulless: at worst it was a political conspiracy to make the Church supreme temporally as well as spiritually. Therefore the question raised by Joan's burning is a burning question still, though the penalties involved are not so sensational. That is why I am probing it. If it were only an historical curiosity I would not waste my readers' time and my own on it for five minutes.
     
    [emphasis mine]

    (there is something sublime I suspect in that last quote, if I can glimmer it..)

    there's a lot more to just this preface

    http://www.maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_saint_joan.asp
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  145. @SolontoCroesus

    When one sees a vast flight of elite secular Jews out of NYC and Miami, the CHANGE process of the non-mythical “beast” is underway.
     
    It's going the other direction: Jews are leaving Israel for USA (and Berlin), and many "Jews" who left Russia in the '80s are returning, never having acculturated to what they considered culturally backward life in Israel.
    ("Jews" in scare quotes because, as a Sephardic Jew told me at a J-Street meeting some years ago, Israel recognizes two kinds of people -- Jews and Arabs. Any Russian who migrated to Israel was, by definition, not an Arab, therefore, a Jew. Might have been a Christian Jew, a Russian Orthodox Jew, an atheist Jew, but if not an Arab, then a Jew.)

    Around 40 percent of recent immigrants to Israel consider returning to their countries of origin, according to a study carried out by Gvahim, a nongovernmental organization that works for the integration of immigrant academics. The NGO surveyed 300 new arrivals, 59% of from the United States and France. http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Four-out-of-10-new-immigrants-to-Israel-consider-returning-to-country-of-origin-391751
     

    June 2017 A new report revealed an increase in the number of Russian Jews who migrate from Israel to other countries or to their original home in Russia and the former Soviet Union.

    The report, released by the Knesset Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs, revealed that 38 per cent of the total 290,300 immigrants who left Israel without return within the past 14 years are Russian immigrants.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170609-report-rise-in-number-of-russian-jews-leaving-israel/
     

    Jerusalem Post Israel News
    'A THIRD OF SECULAR ISRAELI JEWS WANT TO MOVE ABROAD'

    > Herzog: Get ready for mass aliya from US due to anti-Semitism
    MARCH 20, 2017

    "The fact that so many people say they would leave the country if they could indicates that many Israeli citizens do not feel a sense of belonging to the state." http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/A-third-of-secular-Israeli-Jews-want-to-move-abroad-484690
     

    Thanks for the comment which transferred my thought into practical & observable reality.

    Bear with a flight into dystopia?

    I am projecting a time when (Z)USA is no longer the center of the New World Order and the elite secular Jews realize they have out worn their welcome and need a change.

    No claim to being Nostrodamus, and I imagine a time when there is a Neo New York City, where “people never sleep,” let’s say, Bangkok. Grandchildren of the C.F.R. and Blackwater are welcome and will be comp’d.

    A West Bank Wall Street, a holocaust museum in Waco, a Pope visits Sochi, an al-Qaeda theme park in Cuba, a Brighton Beach in Benghazi, a Dulles Way in Venezuela, the son of the son of Jared Kuchner playing Monopoly in Finland, Resorts International in the Bohemian Forest.

    As Chinese make inroad into Hollywood, future Arnon Milchans can do business and “set up shop” in post-raped Nanjing.

    Endless possibilities for the phoney saviors of western civilization?

    President G.H.W. Bush’s N.W.O. with American supremacy is coming to a speedy & designed omega point.

    A New New World Order is on the Master Zionist horizon and the Greater Israel is scheduled to become the world’s Exceptional Nation; love it, leave it, but do not fuck with it unless you care.

    Guten nachten.

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  146. @Wizard of Oz
    Are all those "elite secular Jews" in NYC learning Chinese in disproportionate numbers? Are their chidren doimg so? If not I daresay you would be of the view that it is Apocalypse Postponed???

    PS Most of my under 20 relations are learnimg Chimese except for those who alresdy have to keep up trilingualism without studying Chinese. (And if it were up to me I would say Maths 1. Chinese 2)

    Any chance that some of those under 20 relations could assist you with your English?

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  147. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @ChuckOrloski
    Rurik,

    If possible, please read Bernard Shaw's forward to his play, "Joan.of Arc."

    This is mentioned in Le Carre's novel,"The Little Drummer Girl."

    Joan of Arc characters pose walking & talking impediments to the Unspeakable's best laid "agenda."

    Here's a fairly less known M.L.K. quote:

    "I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values."

    ZUSA made great advances to the opposite and that's how America The Beautiful became the land of the "Fiend" and the home of the "Groupthink" slave.

    Thank you!

    I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world

    Sounds good, doesn’t. But what does getting on the right side of the World actually mean?

    Opening the borders to unlimited Third World immigration? That’d be popular in the Third World.

    Abandoning the drive for military supremacy? That’d be popular with Russia, China, in fact everyone, except American client states that depend on the US for their defense.

    Taxing Americans to pay for a massive global aid project? That would be popular throughout Africa and many other places.

    Gutting American industry in the name of climate policy? That would be popular with China, India and other big polluters, who’d benefit from more American jobs and less climate change.

    But, in fact, America does what all great powers have always done, which is maximize American, power, wealth and status in the world. If that gets America on the wrong side of every other self-serving nation in the world, who in America should really care?

    The real issue is thus not about getting on the right side of the world but of creating a world system that will not blow up. And throwing away all you political, military and economic advantage at the outset may not be the best way of getting there.

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    But what does getting on the right side of the World actually mean?
     
    how about starting with a return to a respect for the Rule of Law

    the very foundations of civilization

    and then perhaps desist with serial wars of aggression based on lies

    desist with torture

    desist with terror drones that (deliberately) make children fear with terror the very skies above their lands..

    desist with serial financial terrorism that allows Goldman Sachs to make third world nations into debt slaves by loaning their corrupt leaders bucket loads of cash with the intention that the peasants will pay it back, (plus interest) with their eternal sweat and toil and blood as their resources are looted from the ground beneath their feet.


    desist with the wanton destruction of nation after nation, plunging millions upon millions of people into abject despair

    desist with the migrations of these people into Europe and N. America where they're intended to destroy those nations middle classes and ways of life as well, as a nascent dystopian hell on earth set in motion right along side an Orwellian total surveillance police state.

    those are just a few things that pop into my mind for starters...


    Abandoning the drive for military supremacy? That’d be popular with Russia, China, in fact everyone, except American client states that depend on the US for their defense.

     

    China and Russia are responding to the serial aggressions and illegality of the ZUS, not the other way around

    Taxing Americans to pay for a massive global aid project? That would be popular throughout Africa and many other places.
     
    the carbon tax, Global Warming scheme is coming out of the ZUS, and is intended to make every last backwater on earth a slave to Goldman Sachs and the Oligarchs (Rothschild) who run the devil's scheme.

    But, in fact, America does what all great powers have always done, which is maximize American, power, wealth and status in the world
     
    America's wealth is being looted by the Banksters and their 1% stooges. And America's status in the world is lower than dog shit. We're justifiably hated for our perfidious enormities upon the world's stage down to the denizens of Gaza, for whom we are the devil incarnate.

    If that gets America on the wrong side of every other self-serving nation in the world, who in America should really care?
     
    all of us, if we're on the wrong side because we've been acting like power-drunk assholes and mass-murderers

    The real issue is thus not about getting on the right side of the world but of creating a world system that will not blow up
     
    I agree

    And throwing away all you political, military and economic advantage at the outset may not be the best way of getting there.
     
    the problem is that is 'we' that are blowing it all up

    we
    are the drooling fiend on the world's stage, bombing and maiming and mocking all notions of International Law and every notion of human decency known to mankind.

    we are the ones running a permanent torture camp

    we are the ones that destroy nation after nation based on lies

    we are the ones responsible for the deaths and annihilation of millions of people's nations down to the destruction of their homes and villages. We (through our sycophantic obeisance to Israel in all things) are the reason millions of people are refugees.

    we unleashed ISIS upon the planet, and we are guilty for all of their atrocities and crimes against humanity

    we support Israel no matter how wicked she is or how heinous are her acts, including cowardly acts of treachery, war and murderous crimes against our soldiers and citizens

    there is no act of evil that our government will not perpetrate in service to Israel

    so it seems a little odd for us to be lecturing the rest of the world about proper behavior and protecting ourselves from them. It is they that need protection from us!

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  148. Thr real issue is for humanity to get on the right side of Beatitude type “values” which despite human failings, M.LK. conveyed to America & assembled mass resistance to the ZUSA “Controller” system of that era.

    The late-M.L.K. can be charged with being a revolutionary liberal & a midnight skin hound, but the M.I.C. and CIA of the time detested the fact that his public speeches were pro “Blessed by God are the peacemakers.”

    Today’s ZUSA vovernment promotes & rewards Zionist Christian voices, for example John Hagee who either minimize the beautiful Beatitudes or place Zio-spin on the words of Jesus Christ.

    Thanks fot your comment.

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    Thr real issue is for humanity to get on the right side of Beatitude type “values” which despite human failings, M.LK. conveyed to America & assembled mass resistance to the ZUSA “Controller” system of that era.
     
    Sounds like Tolstoyan pacifism, which even Mohandas Gandhi rejected as a cowardly response in those faced with aggression. Moreover, it is not clear to me in what way MLK improved the lives of black Americans. School integration, university entry quotas, tolerance of anti-white black racism. Aren't they all part of the MLK legacy and if so, in what way have they truly advanced the interests of African Americans?
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  149. @Chris Bridges
    I am a retired CIA operations officer (something none of the men mentioned by Giraldi are - Brennan was a failed wanna be, couldn't cut it as an ops officer). He is spot on in his comments. The majority of people in the CIA, the ones who do the heavy lifting, are patriotic Americans who are proud of serving their country. I am sure that most voted for Trump as they all know too well the truth about the Clintons and Obama.
    Giraldi is not the only one to notice the upward progress of the most incompetent yes-men in the Agency. A close look at most of them reveals a track record of little or no operational success balanced by excellent sucking up skills. These characters quickly figured out how to get ahead and doing your job in the field is not it. Of course, most are ego maniacs so they are totally oblivious to their own uselessness.
    Well before he was elected I had a letter delivered to President Trump in which I outlined in detail what would happen to him if he did not immediately purge the CIA of these assholes. I know that at least some people on his staff read it but, of course, my advice was ignored. Trump has paid dearly for not listening to an ordinary CIA guy who wanted to give him a reality brief on those vicious snakes.

    I am sure that most voted for Trump as they all know too well the truth about the Clintons and Obama.

    They might know the truth about the Clintons and Obama.

    But most of us don’t. We might suspect, but …

    So – grateful for your sharing that truth.

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  150. @jilles dykstra
    My objection is to the word 'think'.
    Thinking requires analysis, a group is a herd, with a herd opinion, herd prejudice.
    Groups cannot think.

    ‘Groupmoo’?

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  151. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @ChuckOrloski
    Thr real issue is for humanity to get on the right side of Beatitude type "values" which despite human failings, M.LK. conveyed to America & assembled mass resistance to the ZUSA "Controller" system of that era.

    The late-M.L.K. can be charged with being a revolutionary liberal & a midnight skin hound, but the M.I.C. and CIA of the time detested the fact that his public speeches were pro "Blessed by God are the peacemakers."

    Today's ZUSA vovernment promotes & rewards Zionist Christian voices, for example John Hagee who either minimize the beautiful Beatitudes or place Zio-spin on the words of Jesus Christ.

    Thanks fot your comment.

    Thr real issue is for humanity to get on the right side of Beatitude type “values” which despite human failings, M.LK. conveyed to America & assembled mass resistance to the ZUSA “Controller” system of that era.

    Sounds like Tolstoyan pacifism, which even Mohandas Gandhi rejected as a cowardly response in those faced with aggression. Moreover, it is not clear to me in what way MLK improved the lives of black Americans. School integration, university entry quotas, tolerance of anti-white black racism. Aren’t they all part of the MLK legacy and if so, in what way have they truly advanced the interests of African Americans?

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    Do you really think that no country in the world harbors aggressive intent beside the US and its NATO allies? A world without conflict would be wonderful indeed. But how do you expect to reach that state of affairs? India and China are at a military standoff; China is committing cultural genocide against the Ughurs, of Xinjiang, as it did against the Buddhists of Tibet, while turning islands in the South China Sea into unsinkable aircraft carriers; Russia is backing a secesionist movement in the Ukraine; numerous civil wars rage in Africa; the Saudis are at war with Yemen; ISIS wages war against the recognized governments of Syria and Iraq; nuclear-armed India is at odds with nuclear-armed Pakistan; Turkey wages continual war against the Kurds of Northern Syria and Iraq, Iran periodically talks of Israel being wiped from the page of history; while in Israel there are those who talk of taking down the world with nukes should Israel suffer military defeat; North Korea makes seemingly insane threats of nuclear war against the US.

    Under those circumstances, how do you see events unfolding should the US declare its intention to disarm unilaterally? How would Russia respond, the EU, China, Iran, the Latin American states, Canada?

    What you are proposing seems radical in the extreme. You must surely, therefore, have thought it through and can explain to us how Americans would benefit.

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  152. CanSpeccy,

    I have grief & sorrow for the way you think and comment here.

    If you are satisfied with the narrow level you are on, then why should the respectable M.LK. quotation bother you?

    Why indeed does “Tolstoyan pacifism” bug you? Must all ZUSA pop fiction follow Tom Clancy’s “Hunt for The Red Octobet”?

    Aha… I get it now OffSpeccy! You favor AIPAC Realism in Art.

    Thank you.

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    @CanSpeccy

    Thr real issue is for humanity to get on the right side of Beatitude type “values” which despite human failings, M.LK. conveyed to America & assembled mass resistance to the ZUSA “Controller” system of that era.
     
    Sounds like Tolstoyan pacifism, which even Mohandas Gandhi rejected as a cowardly response in those faced with aggression. Moreover, it is not clear to me in what way MLK improved the lives of black Americans. School integration, university entry quotas, tolerance of anti-white black racism. Aren't they all part of the MLK legacy and if so, in what way have they truly advanced the interests of African Americans?

    Do you really think that no country in the world harbors aggressive intent beside the US and its NATO allies? A world without conflict would be wonderful indeed. But how do you expect to reach that state of affairs? India and China are at a military standoff; China is committing cultural genocide against the Ughurs, of Xinjiang, as it did against the Buddhists of Tibet, while turning islands in the South China Sea into unsinkable aircraft carriers; Russia is backing a secesionist movement in the Ukraine; numerous civil wars rage in Africa; the Saudis are at war with Yemen; ISIS wages war against the recognized governments of Syria and Iraq; nuclear-armed India is at odds with nuclear-armed Pakistan; Turkey wages continual war against the Kurds of Northern Syria and Iraq, Iran periodically talks of Israel being wiped from the page of history; while in Israel there are those who talk of taking down the world with nukes should Israel suffer military defeat; North Korea makes seemingly insane threats of nuclear war against the US.

    Under those circumstances, how do you see events unfolding should the US declare its intention to disarm unilaterally? How would Russia respond, the EU, China, Iran, the Latin American states, Canada?

    What you are proposing seems radical in the extreme. You must surely, therefore, have thought it through and can explain to us how Americans would benefit.

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    Comment at #153 was intended as a response to Chuck Orlosky at #152!
    , @ChuckOrloski
    CanSpeccy,

    Americans like me propose many things but our ZUSA government gets what it wants.

    I would like national DEFENSE to become priority and stop the unnecessary/Immoral ZUSA wars.

    How on the hell cam you ask me to comment on a ZUSA unilateral disarmament initiative that has zero (0) basis in reality?

    The ZUSA Empire is clearly on OFFENSE. It's actually The Department of Offense!Talk

    Since you regularly comment here at Unz Review, I find it amazing that many great & daring authors/commenters have yet to penetrate your homeade Anti-Wisdom Ballistic Missive System.

    For now, you are "off spec." The 1st question you should ask YOURSELf is "who benefits from all the ZUSA wars?" Re-read this article by Mr. Giraldi so that egress from Zio Groupthink can start and let vital awareness begin.

    Thanks
    , @ChuckOrloski
    "... Iran periodically talks of Israel being wiped from the page of history."

    Get real!

    The Islamic Republic of Iran rulers
    have no such power to even educate average Americans as to the factual CIA action that resulted in "wiping out" Mossadeq, 1953!

    It is Israel who is best at wiping out accurate pages of history on a global scale

    They had lots of practice given their successful distortion of the real cause of World Wars 1 and 2 and of course who was really behind "wiping out" the identity of the 9/11 culprits.

    Get on spec! Many commenters here at The Unz Review ressurect history that Zionists prefer you to dismiss.
    , @Rurik
    there are a lot of problems and strife in the world as you say, that the ZUS had nothing to do with, but

    Russia is backing a secesionist movement in the Ukraine;
     
    it was the ZUSA that fomented that strife, and it is the ZUSA that is responsible for those needless deaths

    this is the handiwork of John McCain and the Kagan klan
    https://richardedmondsondotnet.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/gorlovka1.jpg?w=599

    and China is ascendant because greedy ZUS corporations wanted the Chinese market

    'we' created that monster


    Iran periodically talks of Israel being wiped from the page of history;
     
    not true

    it said the Zionist (Jewish supremacist, murderous, torturous, genocidal blight upon mankind) regime in Israel, not the Jewish people or Israel per se.


    Under those circumstances, how do you see events unfolding should the US declare its intention to disarm unilaterally?
     
    it shouldn't

    what it should do is stop acting like a murderous fiend on the world's stage

    return to a respect for International Law and the covenants of human rights that are the foundations upon which those laws were codified, (and are now ignored by the ZUSA).

    Once all people and nations can see that the ZUSA is no longer under the thrall of the Zio-Fed-Jewish supremacists and genocidal war criminals, + the MIC and assorted corporation$, then perhaps one day the world might start to respect the USA and follow its lead with good-faith efforts to remove the most sinister and catastrophic weapons from their mutual arsenals.

    But first we need a global de-escalation. We need for some saner heads to prevail, and once that begins to happen, who knows where it might lead. But the trajectory we're on now is not sustainable, and will result in more suffering and catastrophes so horrific as to numb the very soul.


    explain to us how Americans would benefit.
     
    if we could just wrest ourselves free from the Fiend, the way we (and the rest of the planet) would benefit are so myriad and potentially wonderful that it staggers the imagination.

    How much do we spend each year on weapons of mass destruction and police state terrorism?

    How much do we spend slaughtering innocent people the world over?

    how much hatred are we causing and paying a price for?

    if we would but just act like sane humans who aren't murdering or menacing people all over the place, who knows where we'd be?

    just think of how all those trillions (including the missing trillions from the Pentagon that nobody has any interest in tracking) could be otherwise spent improving the American people's lives?

    the bounds of our folly are infinite, when we consider that we have such vast, near infinite resources, and it's mostly wasted on killing and savaging people for the greater glory of Israel, at our direct expense.

    Look at how Nazi Germany burst upon the global scene once it freed itself from the fiat debt international parasites. Unfettered, it soared to unimaginable heights, so much so that the Zio-world of England and Bolshevik Russia and the ZUSA trembled. And it had to be crushed at (massive) costs in blood and treasure.

    Just imagine what we could accomplish if we didn't have the Fed and Wall Street/federal government leaches and ticks sucking the blood from our financial (and spiritual) veins with debt and more debt. Imagine if we didn't have ubiquitous political correctness killing our incentive and robbing our spiritual vigor, (I wonder if you/we even can, it's been so pervasive and corrosive for so long)

    ... I'm ranting now

    >>sigh<<<

    , @NoseytheDuke
    You've been had. The actual term used (by then President Ahmadinejad) was that "Israel would DISAPPEAR from the pages of history", meaning that it is unsustainable and cannot last. Israel mistranslated the quote to "Israel will be wiped from the map" to imply an aggressive intent by Iran. Malicious propaganda plain and simple.
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  154. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy
    Do you really think that no country in the world harbors aggressive intent beside the US and its NATO allies? A world without conflict would be wonderful indeed. But how do you expect to reach that state of affairs? India and China are at a military standoff; China is committing cultural genocide against the Ughurs, of Xinjiang, as it did against the Buddhists of Tibet, while turning islands in the South China Sea into unsinkable aircraft carriers; Russia is backing a secesionist movement in the Ukraine; numerous civil wars rage in Africa; the Saudis are at war with Yemen; ISIS wages war against the recognized governments of Syria and Iraq; nuclear-armed India is at odds with nuclear-armed Pakistan; Turkey wages continual war against the Kurds of Northern Syria and Iraq, Iran periodically talks of Israel being wiped from the page of history; while in Israel there are those who talk of taking down the world with nukes should Israel suffer military defeat; North Korea makes seemingly insane threats of nuclear war against the US.

    Under those circumstances, how do you see events unfolding should the US declare its intention to disarm unilaterally? How would Russia respond, the EU, China, Iran, the Latin American states, Canada?

    What you are proposing seems radical in the extreme. You must surely, therefore, have thought it through and can explain to us how Americans would benefit.

    Comment at #153 was intended as a response to Chuck Orlosky at #152!

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  155. @CanSpeccy
    Do you really think that no country in the world harbors aggressive intent beside the US and its NATO allies? A world without conflict would be wonderful indeed. But how do you expect to reach that state of affairs? India and China are at a military standoff; China is committing cultural genocide against the Ughurs, of Xinjiang, as it did against the Buddhists of Tibet, while turning islands in the South China Sea into unsinkable aircraft carriers; Russia is backing a secesionist movement in the Ukraine; numerous civil wars rage in Africa; the Saudis are at war with Yemen; ISIS wages war against the recognized governments of Syria and Iraq; nuclear-armed India is at odds with nuclear-armed Pakistan; Turkey wages continual war against the Kurds of Northern Syria and Iraq, Iran periodically talks of Israel being wiped from the page of history; while in Israel there are those who talk of taking down the world with nukes should Israel suffer military defeat; North Korea makes seemingly insane threats of nuclear war against the US.

    Under those circumstances, how do you see events unfolding should the US declare its intention to disarm unilaterally? How would Russia respond, the EU, China, Iran, the Latin American states, Canada?

    What you are proposing seems radical in the extreme. You must surely, therefore, have thought it through and can explain to us how Americans would benefit.

    CanSpeccy,

    Americans like me propose many things but our ZUSA government gets what it wants.

    I would like national DEFENSE to become priority and stop the unnecessary/Immoral ZUSA wars.

    How on the hell cam you ask me to comment on a ZUSA unilateral disarmament initiative that has zero (0) basis in reality?

    The ZUSA Empire is clearly on OFFENSE. It’s actually The Department of Offense!Talk

    Since you regularly comment here at Unz Review, I find it amazing that many great & daring authors/commenters have yet to penetrate your homeade Anti-Wisdom Ballistic Missive System.

    For now, you are “off spec.” The 1st question you should ask YOURSELf is “who benefits from all the ZUSA wars?” Re-read this article by Mr. Giraldi so that egress from Zio Groupthink can start and let vital awareness begin.

    Thanks

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  156. @CanSpeccy
    Do you really think that no country in the world harbors aggressive intent beside the US and its NATO allies? A world without conflict would be wonderful indeed. But how do you expect to reach that state of affairs? India and China are at a military standoff; China is committing cultural genocide against the Ughurs, of Xinjiang, as it did against the Buddhists of Tibet, while turning islands in the South China Sea into unsinkable aircraft carriers; Russia is backing a secesionist movement in the Ukraine; numerous civil wars rage in Africa; the Saudis are at war with Yemen; ISIS wages war against the recognized governments of Syria and Iraq; nuclear-armed India is at odds with nuclear-armed Pakistan; Turkey wages continual war against the Kurds of Northern Syria and Iraq, Iran periodically talks of Israel being wiped from the page of history; while in Israel there are those who talk of taking down the world with nukes should Israel suffer military defeat; North Korea makes seemingly insane threats of nuclear war against the US.

    Under those circumstances, how do you see events unfolding should the US declare its intention to disarm unilaterally? How would Russia respond, the EU, China, Iran, the Latin American states, Canada?

    What you are proposing seems radical in the extreme. You must surely, therefore, have thought it through and can explain to us how Americans would benefit.

    “… Iran periodically talks of Israel being wiped from the page of history.”

    Get real!

    The Islamic Republic of Iran rulers
    have no such power to even educate average Americans as to the factual CIA action that resulted in “wiping out” Mossadeq, 1953!

    It is Israel who is best at wiping out accurate pages of history on a global scale

    They had lots of practice given their successful distortion of the real cause of World Wars 1 and 2 and of course who was really behind “wiping out” the identity of the 9/11 culprits.

    Get on spec! Many commenters here at The Unz Review ressurect history that Zionists prefer you to dismiss.

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    Oh, sorry. Didn't realize you were the only person here who knew anything.
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  157. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Rurik,

    If possible, please read Bernard Shaw's forward to his play, "Joan.of Arc."

    This is mentioned in Le Carre's novel,"The Little Drummer Girl."

    Joan of Arc characters pose walking & talking impediments to the Unspeakable's best laid "agenda."

    Here's a fairly less known M.L.K. quote:

    "I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values."

    ZUSA made great advances to the opposite and that's how America The Beautiful became the land of the "Fiend" and the home of the "Groupthink" slave.

    Thank you!

    Bernard Shaw’s forward to his play, “Joan.of Arc.”

    looked around for this.. found this:

    She patronized her own king, and summoned the English king to repentance and obedience to her commands. She lectured, talked down, and overruled statesmen and prelates. She pooh-poohed the plans of generals, leading their troops to victory on plans of her own. She had an unbounded and quite unconcealed contempt for official opinion, judgment, and authority, and for War Office tactics and strategy.

    [my emphasis]

    ..Now it is always hard for superior wits to understand the fury roused by their exposures of the stupidities of comparative dullards. Even Socrates, for all his age and experience, did not defend himself at his trial like a man who understood the long accumulated fury that had burst on him, and was clamoring for his death. His accuser, if born 2300 years later, might have been picked out of any first class carriage on a suburban railway during the evening or morning rush from or to the City; for he had really nothing to say except that he and his like could not endure being shown up as idiots every time Socrates opened his mouth. …
    He had no suspicion of the extent to which his mental superiority had roused fear and hatred against him in the hearts of men towards whom he was conscious of nothing but good will and good service.

    … when Richard Wagner was a young man he saw and avoided a crowd of people hastening to see a soldier broken on the wheel by the more cruel of the two ways of carrying out that hideous method of execution. Also that the penalty of hanging, drawing, and quartering, unmentionable in its details, was abolished so recently that there are men living who have been sentenced to it. …
    …rousing any more compunction than the burning of heretics did in the Middle Ages…

    or of the burning alive of hundreds of thousands of women and children, condemned to unimaginable horrors to sate the unholy demon’s wrath of the fiend- that lurks in humans today as surely as it did in the hearts of the men who burned Joan of Arc alive. ‘They defied my power?! Burn them all alive!’

    … The Church should have confined itself to excommunicating her. There it was within its rights: she had refused to accept its authority or comply with its conditions; and it could say with truth ‘You are not one of us: go forth and find the religion that suits you, or found one for yourself.’ It had no right to say ‘You may return to us now that you have recanted; but you shall stay in a dungeon all the rest of your life.’ Unfortunately, The Church did not believe that there was any genuine soul saving religion outside itself…
    … Its method was not cruelty for cruelty’s sake, but cruelty for the salvation of Joan’s soul. Joan, however, believed that the saving of her soul was her own business, and not that of les gens d’eglise. By using that term as she did, mistrustfully and contemptuously, she announced herself as, in germ, an anti-Clerical as thoroughgoing as Voltaire or Anatole France. Had she said in so many words ‘To the dustbin with the Church Militant and its blackcoated officials: I recognize only the Church Triumphant in heaven,’ she would hardly have put her view more plainly.

    [again, my emphasis]

    The Churches must learn humility as well as teach it… .. When the Church Militant behaves as if it were already the Church Triumphant, it makes these appalling blunders about Joan and Bruno and Galileo and the rest which make it so difficult for a Freethinker to join it; and a Church which has no place for Freethinkers: nay, which does not inculcate and encourage freethinking with a complete belief that thought, when really free, must by its own law take the path that leads to The Church’s bosom, not only has no future in modern culture, but obviously has no faith in the valid science of its own tenets, and is guilty of the heresy that theology and science are two different and opposite impulses, rivals for human allegiance.

    This is Joan’s lesson to The Church; and its formulation by the hand of a priest emboldens me to claim that her canonization was a magnificently Catholic gesture as the canonization of a Protestant saint by the Church of Rome. But its special value and virtue cannot be apparent until it is known and understood as such. If any simple priest for whom this is too hard a saying tells me that it was not so intended, I shall remind him that the Church is in the hands of God, and not, as simple priests imagine, God in the hands of the Church; so if he answers too confidently for God’s intentions he may be asked ‘Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the recesses of the deep?’ And Joan’s own answer is also the answer of old: ‘Though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him; but I will maintain my own ways before Him.’

    When the Church was a temporal as well as a spiritual power, and for long after to the full extent to which it could control or influence the temporal power, it enforced conformity by persecutions that were all the more ruthless because their intention was so excellent. Today, when the doctor has succeeded to the priest, and can do practically what he likes with parliament and the press through the blind faith in him which has succeeded to the far more critical faith in the parson, legal compulsion to take the doctor’s prescription, however poisonous, is carried to an extent that would have horrified the Inquisition and staggered Archbishop Laud. Our credulity is grosser than that of the Middle Ages, because the priest had no such direct pecuniary interest in our sins as the doctor has in our diseases: he did not starve when all was well with his flock, nor prosper when they were perishing, as our private commercial doctors must. Also the medieval cleric believed that something extremely unpleasant would happen to him after death if he was unscrupulous, a belief now practically extinct among persons receiving a dogmatically materialist education. Our professional corporations are Trade Unions without souls to be damned; and they will soon drive us to remind them that they have bodies to be kicked. The Vatican was never soulless: at worst it was a political conspiracy to make the Church supreme temporally as well as spiritually. Therefore the question raised by Joan’s burning is a burning question still, though the penalties involved are not so sensational. That is why I am probing it. If it were only an historical curiosity I would not waste my readers’ time and my own on it for five minutes.

    [emphasis mine]

    (there is something sublime I suspect in that last quote, if I can glimmer it..)

    there’s a lot more to just this preface

    http://www.maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_saint_joan.asp

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    Thanks for featuring Shaw's preface to St. Joan of Arc, Rurik!

    Please recall the fact that Chistopher Bollyn's book "Solving 9/11" introduces readers to Le Carre"s amazing novel, "The Little Drummer Girl." In the latter work of fiction appears Joan of Arc.

    This past Winter I was already hitched to Shaw's Joan of Arc and got welded to "Little Drummer Girl" come Spring.

    Lastly I appreciate your having intervened in the case of CanSpeccy. It seems that he's already less puzzled and is on the brink of observing the "right side of the world."

    Outstanding comments, thanks for the education!
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  158. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @ChuckOrloski
    "... Iran periodically talks of Israel being wiped from the page of history."

    Get real!

    The Islamic Republic of Iran rulers
    have no such power to even educate average Americans as to the factual CIA action that resulted in "wiping out" Mossadeq, 1953!

    It is Israel who is best at wiping out accurate pages of history on a global scale

    They had lots of practice given their successful distortion of the real cause of World Wars 1 and 2 and of course who was really behind "wiping out" the identity of the 9/11 culprits.

    Get on spec! Many commenters here at The Unz Review ressurect history that Zionists prefer you to dismiss.

    Oh, sorry. Didn’t realize you were the only person here who knew anything.

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  159. Rurik says:
    @CanSpeccy

    I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world
     
    Sounds good, doesn't. But what does getting on the right side of the World actually mean?

    Opening the borders to unlimited Third World immigration? That'd be popular in the Third World.

    Abandoning the drive for military supremacy? That'd be popular with Russia, China, in fact everyone, except American client states that depend on the US for their defense.

    Taxing Americans to pay for a massive global aid project? That would be popular throughout Africa and many other places.

    Gutting American industry in the name of climate policy? That would be popular with China, India and other big polluters, who'd benefit from more American jobs and less climate change.

    But, in fact, America does what all great powers have always done, which is maximize American, power, wealth and status in the world. If that gets America on the wrong side of every other self-serving nation in the world, who in America should really care?

    The real issue is thus not about getting on the right side of the world but of creating a world system that will not blow up. And throwing away all you political, military and economic advantage at the outset may not be the best way of getting there.

    But what does getting on the right side of the World actually mean?

    how about starting with a return to a respect for the Rule of Law

    the very foundations of civilization

    and then perhaps desist with serial wars of aggression based on lies

    desist with torture

    desist with terror drones that (deliberately) make children fear with terror the very skies above their lands..

    desist with serial financial terrorism that allows Goldman Sachs to make third world nations into debt slaves by loaning their corrupt leaders bucket loads of cash with the intention that the peasants will pay it back, (plus interest) with their eternal sweat and toil and blood as their resources are looted from the ground beneath their feet.

    desist with the wanton destruction of nation after nation, plunging millions upon millions of people into abject despair

    desist with the migrations of these people into Europe and N. America where they’re intended to destroy those nations middle classes and ways of life as well, as a nascent dystopian hell on earth set in motion right along side an Orwellian total surveillance police state.

    those are just a few things that pop into my mind for starters…

    Abandoning the drive for military supremacy? That’d be popular with Russia, China, in fact everyone, except American client states that depend on the US for their defense.

    China and Russia are responding to the serial aggressions and illegality of the ZUS, not the other way around

    Taxing Americans to pay for a massive global aid project? That would be popular throughout Africa and many other places.

    the carbon tax, Global Warming scheme is coming out of the ZUS, and is intended to make every last backwater on earth a slave to Goldman Sachs and the Oligarchs (Rothschild) who run the devil’s scheme.

    But, in fact, America does what all great powers have always done, which is maximize American, power, wealth and status in the world

    America’s wealth is being looted by the Banksters and their 1% stooges. And America’s status in the world is lower than dog shit. We’re justifiably hated for our perfidious enormities upon the world’s stage down to the denizens of Gaza, for whom we are the devil incarnate.

    If that gets America on the wrong side of every other self-serving nation in the world, who in America should really care?

    all of us, if we’re on the wrong side because we’ve been acting like power-drunk assholes and mass-murderers

    The real issue is thus not about getting on the right side of the world but of creating a world system that will not blow up

    I agree

    And throwing away all you political, military and economic advantage at the outset may not be the best way of getting there.

    the problem is that is ‘we’ that are blowing it all up

    we
    are the drooling fiend on the world’s stage, bombing and maiming and mocking all notions of International Law and every notion of human decency known to mankind.

    we are the ones running a permanent torture camp

    we are the ones that destroy nation after nation based on lies

    we are the ones responsible for the deaths and annihilation of millions of people’s nations down to the destruction of their homes and villages. We (through our sycophantic obeisance to Israel in all things) are the reason millions of people are refugees.

    we unleashed ISIS upon the planet, and we are guilty for all of their atrocities and crimes against humanity

    we support Israel no matter how wicked she is or how heinous are her acts, including cowardly acts of treachery, war and murderous crimes against our soldiers and citizens

    there is no act of evil that our government will not perpetrate in service to Israel

    so it seems a little odd for us to be lecturing the rest of the world about proper behavior and protecting ourselves from them. It is they that need protection from us!

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  160. Rurik says:
    @CanSpeccy
    Do you really think that no country in the world harbors aggressive intent beside the US and its NATO allies? A world without conflict would be wonderful indeed. But how do you expect to reach that state of affairs? India and China are at a military standoff; China is committing cultural genocide against the Ughurs, of Xinjiang, as it did against the Buddhists of Tibet, while turning islands in the South China Sea into unsinkable aircraft carriers; Russia is backing a secesionist movement in the Ukraine; numerous civil wars rage in Africa; the Saudis are at war with Yemen; ISIS wages war against the recognized governments of Syria and Iraq; nuclear-armed India is at odds with nuclear-armed Pakistan; Turkey wages continual war against the Kurds of Northern Syria and Iraq, Iran periodically talks of Israel being wiped from the page of history; while in Israel there are those who talk of taking down the world with nukes should Israel suffer military defeat; North Korea makes seemingly insane threats of nuclear war against the US.

    Under those circumstances, how do you see events unfolding should the US declare its intention to disarm unilaterally? How would Russia respond, the EU, China, Iran, the Latin American states, Canada?

    What you are proposing seems radical in the extreme. You must surely, therefore, have thought it through and can explain to us how Americans would benefit.

    there are a lot of problems and strife in the world as you say, that the ZUS had nothing to do with, but

    Russia is backing a secesionist movement in the Ukraine;

    it was the ZUSA that fomented that strife, and it is the ZUSA that is responsible for those needless deaths

    this is the handiwork of John McCain and the Kagan klan

    https://richardedmondsondotnet.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/gorlovka1.jpg?w=599

    and China is ascendant because greedy ZUS corporations wanted the Chinese market

    ‘we’ created that monster

    Iran periodically talks of Israel being wiped from the page of history;

    not true

    it said the Zionist (Jewish supremacist, murderous, torturous, genocidal blight upon mankind) regime in Israel, not the Jewish people or Israel per se.

    Under those circumstances, how do you see events unfolding should the US declare its intention to disarm unilaterally?

    it shouldn’t

    what it should do is stop acting like a murderous fiend on the world’s stage

    return to a respect for International Law and the covenants of human rights that are the foundations upon which those laws were codified, (and are now ignored by the ZUSA).

    Once all people and nations can see that the ZUSA is no longer under the thrall of the Zio-Fed-Jewish supremacists and genocidal war criminals, + the MIC and assorted corporation$, then perhaps one day the world might start to respect the USA and follow its lead with good-faith efforts to remove the most sinister and catastrophic weapons from their mutual arsenals.

    But first we need a global de-escalation. We need for some saner heads to prevail, and once that begins to happen, who knows where it might lead. But the trajectory we’re on now is not sustainable, and will result in more suffering and catastrophes so horrific as to numb the very soul.

    explain to us how Americans would benefit.

    if we could just wrest ourselves free from the Fiend, the way we (and the rest of the planet) would benefit are so myriad and potentially wonderful that it staggers the imagination.

    How much do we spend each year on weapons of mass destruction and police state terrorism?

    How much do we spend slaughtering innocent people the world over?

    how much hatred are we causing and paying a price for?

    if we would but just act like sane humans who aren’t murdering or menacing people all over the place, who knows where we’d be?

    just think of how all those trillions (including the missing trillions from the Pentagon that nobody has any interest in tracking) could be otherwise spent improving the American people’s lives?

    the bounds of our folly are infinite, when we consider that we have such vast, near infinite resources, and it’s mostly wasted on killing and savaging people for the greater glory of Israel, at our direct expense.

    Look at how Nazi Germany burst upon the global scene once it freed itself from the fiat debt international parasites. Unfettered, it soared to unimaginable heights, so much so that the Zio-world of England and Bolshevik Russia and the ZUSA trembled. And it had to be crushed at (massive) costs in blood and treasure.

    Just imagine what we could accomplish if we didn’t have the Fed and Wall Street/federal government leaches and ticks sucking the blood from our financial (and spiritual) veins with debt and more debt. Imagine if we didn’t have ubiquitous political correctness killing our incentive and robbing our spiritual vigor, (I wonder if you/we even can, it’s been so pervasive and corrosive for so long)

    … I’m ranting now

    >>sigh<<<

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    Agree, mostly and I think you said it well.

    But first we need a global de-escalation.
     
    Yes. The present tension among world powers is reminiscence of the tensions of 1914, except then it was Europe about to tear itself apart, whereas today it is the entire world.

    But reconsider the carbon tax. I don't see where Goldman Sachs come into it. It's simply the most efficient way of transforming an economy to a high energy efficiency, low-carbon-intensity state. Much better than government mandated gas mileage, etc., etc. and etc.

    Every nation should impose the carbon tax, and to encourage those who are reluctant to do so, every nation with a carbon tax should impose a countervailing duty on imports from countries without a carbon tax.

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  161. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Rurik
    there are a lot of problems and strife in the world as you say, that the ZUS had nothing to do with, but

    Russia is backing a secesionist movement in the Ukraine;
     
    it was the ZUSA that fomented that strife, and it is the ZUSA that is responsible for those needless deaths

    this is the handiwork of John McCain and the Kagan klan
    https://richardedmondsondotnet.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/gorlovka1.jpg?w=599

    and China is ascendant because greedy ZUS corporations wanted the Chinese market

    'we' created that monster


    Iran periodically talks of Israel being wiped from the page of history;
     
    not true

    it said the Zionist (Jewish supremacist, murderous, torturous, genocidal blight upon mankind) regime in Israel, not the Jewish people or Israel per se.


    Under those circumstances, how do you see events unfolding should the US declare its intention to disarm unilaterally?
     
    it shouldn't

    what it should do is stop acting like a murderous fiend on the world's stage

    return to a respect for International Law and the covenants of human rights that are the foundations upon which those laws were codified, (and are now ignored by the ZUSA).

    Once all people and nations can see that the ZUSA is no longer under the thrall of the Zio-Fed-Jewish supremacists and genocidal war criminals, + the MIC and assorted corporation$, then perhaps one day the world might start to respect the USA and follow its lead with good-faith efforts to remove the most sinister and catastrophic weapons from their mutual arsenals.

    But first we need a global de-escalation. We need for some saner heads to prevail, and once that begins to happen, who knows where it might lead. But the trajectory we're on now is not sustainable, and will result in more suffering and catastrophes so horrific as to numb the very soul.


    explain to us how Americans would benefit.
     
    if we could just wrest ourselves free from the Fiend, the way we (and the rest of the planet) would benefit are so myriad and potentially wonderful that it staggers the imagination.

    How much do we spend each year on weapons of mass destruction and police state terrorism?

    How much do we spend slaughtering innocent people the world over?

    how much hatred are we causing and paying a price for?

    if we would but just act like sane humans who aren't murdering or menacing people all over the place, who knows where we'd be?

    just think of how all those trillions (including the missing trillions from the Pentagon that nobody has any interest in tracking) could be otherwise spent improving the American people's lives?

    the bounds of our folly are infinite, when we consider that we have such vast, near infinite resources, and it's mostly wasted on killing and savaging people for the greater glory of Israel, at our direct expense.

    Look at how Nazi Germany burst upon the global scene once it freed itself from the fiat debt international parasites. Unfettered, it soared to unimaginable heights, so much so that the Zio-world of England and Bolshevik Russia and the ZUSA trembled. And it had to be crushed at (massive) costs in blood and treasure.

    Just imagine what we could accomplish if we didn't have the Fed and Wall Street/federal government leaches and ticks sucking the blood from our financial (and spiritual) veins with debt and more debt. Imagine if we didn't have ubiquitous political correctness killing our incentive and robbing our spiritual vigor, (I wonder if you/we even can, it's been so pervasive and corrosive for so long)

    ... I'm ranting now

    >>sigh<<<

    Agree, mostly and I think you said it well.

    But first we need a global de-escalation.

    Yes. The present tension among world powers is reminiscence of the tensions of 1914, except then it was Europe about to tear itself apart, whereas today it is the entire world.

    But reconsider the carbon tax. I don’t see where Goldman Sachs come into it. It’s simply the most efficient way of transforming an economy to a high energy efficiency, low-carbon-intensity state. Much better than government mandated gas mileage, etc., etc. and etc.

    Every nation should impose the carbon tax, and to encourage those who are reluctant to do so, every nation with a carbon tax should impose a countervailing duty on imports from countries without a carbon tax.

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    tensions of 1914, except then it was Europe about to tear itself apart, whereas today it is the entire world.
     
    and for the exact same reason with the grandsons of the men who foisted the last mass-insanity

    - the world's international banksters set on achieving total power at all cost, and who are giddy when Europeans are slaughtering each other


    It’s simply the most efficient way of transforming an economy to a high energy efficiency, low-carbon-intensity state
     
    someone once remarked on the likelihood of a carbon tax if the world's oil reserves were under Israel instead of Arab states and Russia, Venezuela, etc..

    anyways, I'm all for saving the environment. I consider it the most important issue we humans face today. We may slaughter each other for the fun and profit of assorted war pigs and tribalists, but when we drive to extinction the life forms of this planet, and turn the oceans into festering pools of radioactive, mercury poisoned fish, turtles and magnificent sea mammals with crushed ear drums from our sonic cannons looking for more oil, as the rain forests are plundered and the African savannas are raped clean of all wild life... I'm so genuinely saddened by it, it rends my heart. It is an unforgivable sin.

    The enormity of destroying the planet to sate our insatiable, (literally) infinite greed is the most terrible sin of all. And our children and grandchildren will rightfully curse us in our graves for our blind, craven, selfish greed.

    But the threat that will destroy it all is not Bubba driving his V8 Ford truck, but rather the sheer weight of uncontrolled, human numbers. We are exploding human numbers exponentially. Our greed is driving a wave of humans so unprecedented that it will wipe out all wild life and all natural ecology and everything else except the human, bipedal animal farm$ from the face of the earth. That is the nature of us humans. So blinded by greed we can't see the sublime beauty of an African leopard or elephant unless we can count it on our profit ledger somehow.

    But humans!, they're soldiers and tax payers and most of all, consumers! It's like what Morpheus said about the Matrix, they're reducing us to batteries/tax slaves, cannon fodder, pure income.

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/0*unhRQ7WqOh9cLYlZ.jpg

    do you think the policy maker care about us or the environment?!

    this is what the carbon tax is all about

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bEQ9Ca7ZRFI/T8zyGOE616I/AAAAAAAAIa4/QIq7FTv6c1g/s640/African+slave+ship+diagram.jpg

    reducing our footprint so that they can cram billion$ more of us onto their farm

    if they cared about the greenhouse gases, the first thing they'd be making movies about and creating an hysteria about is saving the rainforests, that eat carbon dioxide for breakfast. But they don't. They're only obsessed with getting more power over us all. (as they have been since the beginning of time, and it is the only certainty about humans, is that they will do anything to have more power over other humans)

    They want the power to tax our very breath, (which is perfectly in line with everything we know about human history and human nature). They will lie, steal, cheat and murder for more power. And then when they have all the power, they will demand more.

    The Carbon Tax is intended to give to the PTB the tax collecting enforcement teeth to tax everyone, everywhere on the planet. For our own good!

    It is a global slavery scheme if I ever saw one, and they're cynically using the very alarm that people understandably feel at the obvious destruction of the environment, to foist this tax upon us, that will do nothing to save the environment, but will chain us all to their tax scheme for perpetuity, (for our own good! ; ).

    Like I said. I care about the environment. All people with an intact soul do. But if they (PTB) cared also, they'd at least SAY something about human overpopulation, that is the environment's biggest and glairing and existential threat. But there's nothing but silence from the likes of Al Gore and all the other whores and liars $hilling the global carbon tax.

    In our lifetime we will witness the extinction of many wondrous wild species. Creatures that have as much right to persevere as a species as we do. And whose loss will make the future generations of humans that much more bleak. It is a monstrous sin what we do, and we really should try to reverse it. But as long as we leave these concerns to the PTB, (Goldman Sacks, et al) then they're going to get their assorted shills and liars and "scientists" to tell us all that we have to hand over total power to the governments of the world for our own good!

    Hogwash.

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  162. Rurik says:
    @CanSpeccy
    Agree, mostly and I think you said it well.

    But first we need a global de-escalation.
     
    Yes. The present tension among world powers is reminiscence of the tensions of 1914, except then it was Europe about to tear itself apart, whereas today it is the entire world.

    But reconsider the carbon tax. I don't see where Goldman Sachs come into it. It's simply the most efficient way of transforming an economy to a high energy efficiency, low-carbon-intensity state. Much better than government mandated gas mileage, etc., etc. and etc.

    Every nation should impose the carbon tax, and to encourage those who are reluctant to do so, every nation with a carbon tax should impose a countervailing duty on imports from countries without a carbon tax.

    tensions of 1914, except then it was Europe about to tear itself apart, whereas today it is the entire world.

    and for the exact same reason with the grandsons of the men who foisted the last mass-insanity

    - the world’s international banksters set on achieving total power at all cost, and who are giddy when Europeans are slaughtering each other

    It’s simply the most efficient way of transforming an economy to a high energy efficiency, low-carbon-intensity state

    someone once remarked on the likelihood of a carbon tax if the world’s oil reserves were under Israel instead of Arab states and Russia, Venezuela, etc..

    anyways, I’m all for saving the environment. I consider it the most important issue we humans face today. We may slaughter each other for the fun and profit of assorted war pigs and tribalists, but when we drive to extinction the life forms of this planet, and turn the oceans into festering pools of radioactive, mercury poisoned fish, turtles and magnificent sea mammals with crushed ear drums from our sonic cannons looking for more oil, as the rain forests are plundered and the African savannas are raped clean of all wild life… I’m so genuinely saddened by it, it rends my heart. It is an unforgivable sin.

    The enormity of destroying the planet to sate our insatiable, (literally) infinite greed is the most terrible sin of all. And our children and grandchildren will rightfully curse us in our graves for our blind, craven, selfish greed.

    But the threat that will destroy it all is not Bubba driving his V8 Ford truck, but rather the sheer weight of uncontrolled, human numbers. We are exploding human numbers exponentially. Our greed is driving a wave of humans so unprecedented that it will wipe out all wild life and all natural ecology and everything else except the human, bipedal animal farm$ from the face of the earth. That is the nature of us humans. So blinded by greed we can’t see the sublime beauty of an African leopard or elephant unless we can count it on our profit ledger somehow.

    But humans!, they’re soldiers and tax payers and most of all, consumers! It’s like what Morpheus said about the Matrix, they’re reducing us to batteries/tax slaves, cannon fodder, pure income.

    do you think the policy maker care about us or the environment?!

    this is what the carbon tax is all about

    reducing our footprint so that they can cram billion$ more of us onto their farm

    if they cared about the greenhouse gases, the first thing they’d be making movies about and creating an hysteria about is saving the rainforests, that eat carbon dioxide for breakfast. But they don’t. They’re only obsessed with getting more power over us all. (as they have been since the beginning of time, and it is the only certainty about humans, is that they will do anything to have more power over other humans)

    They want the power to tax our very breath, (which is perfectly in line with everything we know about human history and human nature). They will lie, steal, cheat and murder for more power. And then when they have all the power, they will demand more.

    The Carbon Tax is intended to give to the PTB the tax collecting enforcement teeth to tax everyone, everywhere on the planet. For our own good!

    It is a global slavery scheme if I ever saw one, and they’re cynically using the very alarm that people understandably feel at the obvious destruction of the environment, to foist this tax upon us, that will do nothing to save the environment, but will chain us all to their tax scheme for perpetuity, (for our own good! ; ).

    Like I said. I care about the environment. All people with an intact soul do. But if they (PTB) cared also, they’d at least SAY something about human overpopulation, that is the environment’s biggest and glairing and existential threat. But there’s nothing but silence from the likes of Al Gore and all the other whores and liars $hilling the global carbon tax.

    In our lifetime we will witness the extinction of many wondrous wild species. Creatures that have as much right to persevere as a species as we do. And whose loss will make the future generations of humans that much more bleak. It is a monstrous sin what we do, and we really should try to reverse it. But as long as we leave these concerns to the PTB, (Goldman Sacks, et al) then they’re going to get their assorted shills and liars and “scientists” to tell us all that we have to hand over total power to the governments of the world for our own good!

    Hogwash.

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    tensions of 1914, except then it was Europe about to tear itself apart, whereas today it is the entire world.
     
    and for the exact same reason with the grandsons of the men who foisted the last mass-insanity
     
    Well not all grandsons of the men who foisted WW1 on the World. There is, for example, Kim Jong Un, crazier by far, surely, than Kaiser Wilhelm, and unconnected with any of those responsible for the European civil wars.

    Putin, the son of a factory worker and a naval conscript, is hardly the grandson of the Tsar.

    As of Xi Jinping, ... well, I could go on.


    But the threat that will destroy it all is not Bubba driving his V8 Ford truck, but rather the sheer weight of uncontrolled, human numbers. We are exploding human numbers exponentially.
     
    This, you realize is pure globalist bullshit, the basis for the advocacy of European genocide by repressed fertility combined with mass replacement immigration as pushed by that contemptible Commie, "Pope" Francis, who Vladimir Putin correctly labels as "not a Christian."

    You simply don't know the facts or are pushing propaganda for the globalist elite. The European peoples throughout the world are headed toward extinction, their fertility below replacement, and in many cases far below, and headed lower if the likes Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the atheist pope, are successful in the promotion of a one-child policy for white people.

    As for the carbon tax, you make no sense to me. It's a simple matter of economics, whereas you have elevated it to the status of a conspiracy theory.

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  163. @Rurik

    Bernard Shaw’s forward to his play, “Joan.of Arc.”
     
    looked around for this.. found this:

    She patronized her own king, and summoned the English king to repentance and obedience to her commands. She lectured, talked down, and overruled statesmen and prelates. She pooh-poohed the plans of generals, leading their troops to victory on plans of her own. She had an unbounded and quite unconcealed contempt for official opinion, judgment, and authority, and for War Office tactics and strategy.
     
    [my emphasis]

    ..Now it is always hard for superior wits to understand the fury roused by their exposures of the stupidities of comparative dullards. Even Socrates, for all his age and experience, did not defend himself at his trial like a man who understood the long accumulated fury that had burst on him, and was clamoring for his death. His accuser, if born 2300 years later, might have been picked out of any first class carriage on a suburban railway during the evening or morning rush from or to the City; for he had really nothing to say except that he and his like could not endure being shown up as idiots every time Socrates opened his mouth. ...
    He had no suspicion of the extent to which his mental superiority had roused fear and hatred against him in the hearts of men towards whom he was conscious of nothing but good will and good service.
     

    ... when Richard Wagner was a young man he saw and avoided a crowd of people hastening to see a soldier broken on the wheel by the more cruel of the two ways of carrying out that hideous method of execution. Also that the penalty of hanging, drawing, and quartering, unmentionable in its details, was abolished so recently that there are men living who have been sentenced to it. ...
    ...rousing any more compunction than the burning of heretics did in the Middle Ages...
     
    or of the burning alive of hundreds of thousands of women and children, condemned to unimaginable horrors to sate the unholy demon's wrath of the fiend- that lurks in humans today as surely as it did in the hearts of the men who burned Joan of Arc alive. 'They defied my power?! Burn them all alive!'

    ... The Church should have confined itself to excommunicating her. There it was within its rights: she had refused to accept its authority or comply with its conditions; and it could say with truth 'You are not one of us: go forth and find the religion that suits you, or found one for yourself.' It had no right to say 'You may return to us now that you have recanted; but you shall stay in a dungeon all the rest of your life.' Unfortunately, The Church did not believe that there was any genuine soul saving religion outside itself...
    ... Its method was not cruelty for cruelty's sake, but cruelty for the salvation of Joan's soul. Joan, however, believed that the saving of her soul was her own business, and not that of les gens d'eglise. By using that term as she did, mistrustfully and contemptuously, she announced herself as, in germ, an anti-Clerical as thoroughgoing as Voltaire or Anatole France. Had she said in so many words 'To the dustbin with the Church Militant and its blackcoated officials: I recognize only the Church Triumphant in heaven,' she would hardly have put her view more plainly.
     
    [again, my emphasis]

    The Churches must learn humility as well as teach it... .. When the Church Militant behaves as if it were already the Church Triumphant, it makes these appalling blunders about Joan and Bruno and Galileo and the rest which make it so difficult for a Freethinker to join it; and a Church which has no place for Freethinkers: nay, which does not inculcate and encourage freethinking with a complete belief that thought, when really free, must by its own law take the path that leads to The Church's bosom, not only has no future in modern culture, but obviously has no faith in the valid science of its own tenets, and is guilty of the heresy that theology and science are two different and opposite impulses, rivals for human allegiance.
     

    This is Joan's lesson to The Church; and its formulation by the hand of a priest emboldens me to claim that her canonization was a magnificently Catholic gesture as the canonization of a Protestant saint by the Church of Rome. But its special value and virtue cannot be apparent until it is known and understood as such. If any simple priest for whom this is too hard a saying tells me that it was not so intended, I shall remind him that the Church is in the hands of God, and not, as simple priests imagine, God in the hands of the Church; so if he answers too confidently for God's intentions he may be asked 'Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the recesses of the deep?' And Joan's own answer is also the answer of old: 'Though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him; but I will maintain my own ways before Him.'
     

    When the Church was a temporal as well as a spiritual power, and for long after to the full extent to which it could control or influence the temporal power, it enforced conformity by persecutions that were all the more ruthless because their intention was so excellent. Today, when the doctor has succeeded to the priest, and can do practically what he likes with parliament and the press through the blind faith in him which has succeeded to the far more critical faith in the parson, legal compulsion to take the doctor's prescription, however poisonous, is carried to an extent that would have horrified the Inquisition and staggered Archbishop Laud. Our credulity is grosser than that of the Middle Ages, because the priest had no such direct pecuniary interest in our sins as the doctor has in our diseases: he did not starve when all was well with his flock, nor prosper when they were perishing, as our private commercial doctors must. Also the medieval cleric believed that something extremely unpleasant would happen to him after death if he was unscrupulous, a belief now practically extinct among persons receiving a dogmatically materialist education. Our professional corporations are Trade Unions without souls to be damned; and they will soon drive us to remind them that they have bodies to be kicked. The Vatican was never soulless: at worst it was a political conspiracy to make the Church supreme temporally as well as spiritually. Therefore the question raised by Joan's burning is a burning question still, though the penalties involved are not so sensational. That is why I am probing it. If it were only an historical curiosity I would not waste my readers' time and my own on it for five minutes.
     
    [emphasis mine]

    (there is something sublime I suspect in that last quote, if I can glimmer it..)

    there's a lot more to just this preface

    http://www.maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_saint_joan.asp

    Thanks for featuring Shaw’s preface to St. Joan of Arc, Rurik!

    Please recall the fact that Chistopher Bollyn’s book “Solving 9/11″ introduces readers to Le Carre”s amazing novel, “The Little Drummer Girl.” In the latter work of fiction appears Joan of Arc.

    This past Winter I was already hitched to Shaw’s Joan of Arc and got welded to “Little Drummer Girl” come Spring.

    Lastly I appreciate your having intervened in the case of CanSpeccy. It seems that he’s already less puzzled and is on the brink of observing the “right side of the world.”

    Outstanding comments, thanks for the education!

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    Lastly I appreciate your having intervened in the case of CanSpeccy. It seems that he’s already less puzzled and is on the brink of observing the “right side of the world.”
     
    How can you say that? You claim to be a Tolstoyan pacifist, whereas Rurik confirms that he is a realist who opposes US disarmament.

    These are radically different positions and I agree with Rurik in that debate, and therefore not with you.

    I note, though, that you seem to have a genuinely Tolstoyan temperament, on the one hand advocating the most extreme interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount, which holds that we should embrace our enemies and do good to them even if they invade out country and rape our women, whereas, on the other hand, resorting at the slightest provocation to the most aggressive stance: "Get real", "Get on spec." etc.

    Not a combination of attitudes likely to achieve satisfactory consequences.

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  164. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @ChuckOrloski
    Thanks for featuring Shaw's preface to St. Joan of Arc, Rurik!

    Please recall the fact that Chistopher Bollyn's book "Solving 9/11" introduces readers to Le Carre"s amazing novel, "The Little Drummer Girl." In the latter work of fiction appears Joan of Arc.

    This past Winter I was already hitched to Shaw's Joan of Arc and got welded to "Little Drummer Girl" come Spring.

    Lastly I appreciate your having intervened in the case of CanSpeccy. It seems that he's already less puzzled and is on the brink of observing the "right side of the world."

    Outstanding comments, thanks for the education!

    Lastly I appreciate your having intervened in the case of CanSpeccy. It seems that he’s already less puzzled and is on the brink of observing the “right side of the world.”

    How can you say that? You claim to be a Tolstoyan pacifist, whereas Rurik confirms that he is a realist who opposes US disarmament.

    These are radically different positions and I agree with Rurik in that debate, and therefore not with you.

    I note, though, that you seem to have a genuinely Tolstoyan temperament, on the one hand advocating the most extreme interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount, which holds that we should embrace our enemies and do good to them even if they invade out country and rape our women, whereas, on the other hand, resorting at the slightest provocation to the most aggressive stance: “Get real”, “Get on spec.” etc.

    Not a combination of attitudes likely to achieve satisfactory consequences.

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    CanSpeccy,

    Were you drinking while writing this comment?

    Be well!
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    tensions of 1914, except then it was Europe about to tear itself apart, whereas today it is the entire world.
     
    and for the exact same reason with the grandsons of the men who foisted the last mass-insanity

    - the world's international banksters set on achieving total power at all cost, and who are giddy when Europeans are slaughtering each other


    It’s simply the most efficient way of transforming an economy to a high energy efficiency, low-carbon-intensity state
     
    someone once remarked on the likelihood of a carbon tax if the world's oil reserves were under Israel instead of Arab states and Russia, Venezuela, etc..

    anyways, I'm all for saving the environment. I consider it the most important issue we humans face today. We may slaughter each other for the fun and profit of assorted war pigs and tribalists, but when we drive to extinction the life forms of this planet, and turn the oceans into festering pools of radioactive, mercury poisoned fish, turtles and magnificent sea mammals with crushed ear drums from our sonic cannons looking for more oil, as the rain forests are plundered and the African savannas are raped clean of all wild life... I'm so genuinely saddened by it, it rends my heart. It is an unforgivable sin.

    The enormity of destroying the planet to sate our insatiable, (literally) infinite greed is the most terrible sin of all. And our children and grandchildren will rightfully curse us in our graves for our blind, craven, selfish greed.

    But the threat that will destroy it all is not Bubba driving his V8 Ford truck, but rather the sheer weight of uncontrolled, human numbers. We are exploding human numbers exponentially. Our greed is driving a wave of humans so unprecedented that it will wipe out all wild life and all natural ecology and everything else except the human, bipedal animal farm$ from the face of the earth. That is the nature of us humans. So blinded by greed we can't see the sublime beauty of an African leopard or elephant unless we can count it on our profit ledger somehow.

    But humans!, they're soldiers and tax payers and most of all, consumers! It's like what Morpheus said about the Matrix, they're reducing us to batteries/tax slaves, cannon fodder, pure income.

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/0*unhRQ7WqOh9cLYlZ.jpg

    do you think the policy maker care about us or the environment?!

    this is what the carbon tax is all about

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bEQ9Ca7ZRFI/T8zyGOE616I/AAAAAAAAIa4/QIq7FTv6c1g/s640/African+slave+ship+diagram.jpg

    reducing our footprint so that they can cram billion$ more of us onto their farm

    if they cared about the greenhouse gases, the first thing they'd be making movies about and creating an hysteria about is saving the rainforests, that eat carbon dioxide for breakfast. But they don't. They're only obsessed with getting more power over us all. (as they have been since the beginning of time, and it is the only certainty about humans, is that they will do anything to have more power over other humans)

    They want the power to tax our very breath, (which is perfectly in line with everything we know about human history and human nature). They will lie, steal, cheat and murder for more power. And then when they have all the power, they will demand more.

    The Carbon Tax is intended to give to the PTB the tax collecting enforcement teeth to tax everyone, everywhere on the planet. For our own good!

    It is a global slavery scheme if I ever saw one, and they're cynically using the very alarm that people understandably feel at the obvious destruction of the environment, to foist this tax upon us, that will do nothing to save the environment, but will chain us all to their tax scheme for perpetuity, (for our own good! ; ).

    Like I said. I care about the environment. All people with an intact soul do. But if they (PTB) cared also, they'd at least SAY something about human overpopulation, that is the environment's biggest and glairing and existential threat. But there's nothing but silence from the likes of Al Gore and all the other whores and liars $hilling the global carbon tax.

    In our lifetime we will witness the extinction of many wondrous wild species. Creatures that have as much right to persevere as a species as we do. And whose loss will make the future generations of humans that much more bleak. It is a monstrous sin what we do, and we really should try to reverse it. But as long as we leave these concerns to the PTB, (Goldman Sacks, et al) then they're going to get their assorted shills and liars and "scientists" to tell us all that we have to hand over total power to the governments of the world for our own good!

    Hogwash.

    tensions of 1914, except then it was Europe about to tear itself apart, whereas today it is the entire world.

    and for the exact same reason with the grandsons of the men who foisted the last mass-insanity

    Well not all grandsons of the men who foisted WW1 on the World. There is, for example, Kim Jong Un, crazier by far, surely, than Kaiser Wilhelm, and unconnected with any of those responsible for the European civil wars.

    Putin, the son of a factory worker and a naval conscript, is hardly the grandson of the Tsar.

    As of Xi Jinping, … well, I could go on.

    But the threat that will destroy it all is not Bubba driving his V8 Ford truck, but rather the sheer weight of uncontrolled, human numbers. We are exploding human numbers exponentially.

    This, you realize is pure globalist bullshit, the basis for the advocacy of European genocide by repressed fertility combined with mass replacement immigration as pushed by that contemptible Commie, “Pope” Francis, who Vladimir Putin correctly labels as “not a Christian.”

    You simply don’t know the facts or are pushing propaganda for the globalist elite. The European peoples throughout the world are headed toward extinction, their fertility below replacement, and in many cases far below, and headed lower if the likes Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the atheist pope, are successful in the promotion of a one-child policy for white people.

    As for the carbon tax, you make no sense to me. It’s a simple matter of economics, whereas you have elevated it to the status of a conspiracy theory.

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    Well not all grandsons of the men who foisted WW1 on the World. There is, for example, Kim Jong Un, crazier by far, surely, than Kaiser Wilhelm, and unconnected with any of those responsible for the European civil wars.
     
    Had there been no BolshevikⓊ revolution in Russia, there'd be no Kim Jong Un.

    The way I see it is the world's geopolitical realties on the ground are a direct consequence of the world wars and how they played out.


    Putin, the son of a factory worker and a naval conscript, is hardly the grandson of the Tsar.
     
    no, he's like a Russian boy who witnessed his nation driven to madness, and grew up determined to put the pieces together. There isn't one thing about Putin or the Russian people that isn't very much a consequence of those evil wars. Their very identity, their aspirations, their fears and hopes are all a direct consequence of the suffering and horrors that those people endured, and the ravages upon Russia that those wars caused, including the lingering stench of communism that pervaded their lands until the devil decided that he'dⓊ become a capitalist! overnight, and looted the wealth and possessions and resources of Russia and the Russian people with the intent to really stick it to them.

    They went from the horrors of the world wars, to Stalin's genocidal mass-murder and slavery and gulags- to languishing under the communist iron boot for generations, only to have the International Jews (Rothschild, et al) decide that they'd had enough of communism, since it required the PTB to feed the goyim, and now were going to be capitalists!, which required no such tiresome burdens upon them. And, they could openly flaunt their ill-gotten wealth!

    So yes, everything about Vladimir Putin is a direct consequence of the evil of the wars, the suffering of the Russian people during the reign of the FiendⓊ, and how he wrangled the fate of Russia out of their nefarious grip.

    He's much more than a modern day Tsar, because they were handed Russia on a silver platter, and though the tragedy of hereditary rule, let it all slip though their pampered, delicate, anointed hands. Whereas Putin has had to do the hard work of restoring Russia from its ignoble servitude to the Rothschild fiend.

    China too is run by putative communists, very much a direct consequence of the evil wars; foisted upon our ancestors by banksters and the eternal enemies of Western civilization and mankind in order to create Israel and enslave/genocide the rest of us by blending.

    There isn't hardly a nation on this planet whose destiny has not been determined by the last world war. Israel, Palestine, England and all its colonies, including in particular Zimbabwe and S. Africa, slated for reverse colonization and wholesale rape, murder and plunder. I'm no fan of the Nazis, but had Germany won the war, S. Africa and Rhodesia would be thriving nations full of hope and vigor. Rather than doomed to corruption and despair.

    Eastern Europe, the ZUSA and Canada, Western Europe, Scandinavia, etc.. (would Sweden have 'no-go' areas for ethnic Swedes had Germany won the war?)

    Anyway, that's how I see it all. And that's why I've read so much about that war and all the intrigue and lies we've been fed about it, because it set the tone for all of our lives. It gives the destroyers the doubleplus good hypocrisy to demand all white nations commit suicide, because if we don't, it only proves we're still Nazis at heart. Blah, blah, blah....



    We are exploding human numbers exponentially
     
    This, you realize is pure globalist bullshit, the basis for the advocacy of European genocide by repressed fertility combined with mass replacement immigration
     
    Only because you buy their lies. I don't.

    Their lies are thus:

    whitey, don't breed because there's too many people / whitey, you need all these non-whites to come in and replace you since you're not breeding.

    that's it in a nutshell, and it only works because Germany lost the war, and that put the Fiend in power over much of the planet to set the narrative. And the Fiend's agenda is to destroy Western civilization for all time. Duh! "Never Again!" and all that rot. It's all about wiping out "racism" by wiping out white people. You'd have to be a nunce not to have noticed the Agenda staring us all in the face, haranguing us daily with their bullhorns calling us all "racists!!!"

    Just because there's a hysterical anti-white agenda raging all over the white (and obviously non-white) world, is no reason to jump on board and agree that we need massive immigration. We don't. It's a (genocidal) lie, intended to put Western civilization in its grave once and for all, and nail a kosher nail in the coffin.

    How can you not know that?

    We don't need more people!!! OK? We have plenty.

    We don't need to fill every last parcel of land with consumers and tax slaves and cannon fodder for the next contrived wars for fun and profit.

    We can repudiate the wars and reduce our numbers without giving in to the tenacious and ubiquitous forces of hatred that want, (nay, demand) that all white nations commit suicide.

    You're creating false cause and effects. Just because white nations are reducing their numbers, is no reason to ague that they need to find replacements elsewhere. That is a vile, devil's lie of the Fiend and his assorted useful idiots who want 'growth' at all costs, because they're addicted to their filthy lucre that is based on more and more people = more growth.

    We don't need it! Iceland and New Zealand are perfectly prosperous and happy places. We should emulate them, not look for ways to destroy them, like we're busy destroying all white nations.

    This blanket pall of hatred that has canvased the globe that demands all white nations genocide themselves, is part and parcel of the consequences of Germany losing the war, but not losing it to Russia or England or any other nations that also lost. We all lost to the Fiend. - The International banking cartelsⓊ run by our most intractable, and insidious, and invidious enemy. That is the reason white people are not having babies, because their societies are set up so that they don't. Taxes and more taxes and spiritually, our media are relentless in telling white people in a billion subtle ways that they are evil and racist and should adopt a brown or black child than bring another Hitler into the world.

    Why is it this is so glaringly obvious to me and others, and yet otherwise intelligent people can't see it? I think it's because it's part of the matrix they've created for us, where their schemes are so ubiquitous, that we can't even see them.

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  166. @CanSpeccy

    Lastly I appreciate your having intervened in the case of CanSpeccy. It seems that he’s already less puzzled and is on the brink of observing the “right side of the world.”
     
    How can you say that? You claim to be a Tolstoyan pacifist, whereas Rurik confirms that he is a realist who opposes US disarmament.

    These are radically different positions and I agree with Rurik in that debate, and therefore not with you.

    I note, though, that you seem to have a genuinely Tolstoyan temperament, on the one hand advocating the most extreme interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount, which holds that we should embrace our enemies and do good to them even if they invade out country and rape our women, whereas, on the other hand, resorting at the slightest provocation to the most aggressive stance: "Get real", "Get on spec." etc.

    Not a combination of attitudes likely to achieve satisfactory consequences.

    CanSpeccy,

    Were you drinking while writing this comment?

    Be well!

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  167. Rurik says:
    @CanSpeccy


    tensions of 1914, except then it was Europe about to tear itself apart, whereas today it is the entire world.
     
    and for the exact same reason with the grandsons of the men who foisted the last mass-insanity
     
    Well not all grandsons of the men who foisted WW1 on the World. There is, for example, Kim Jong Un, crazier by far, surely, than Kaiser Wilhelm, and unconnected with any of those responsible for the European civil wars.

    Putin, the son of a factory worker and a naval conscript, is hardly the grandson of the Tsar.

    As of Xi Jinping, ... well, I could go on.


    But the threat that will destroy it all is not Bubba driving his V8 Ford truck, but rather the sheer weight of uncontrolled, human numbers. We are exploding human numbers exponentially.
     
    This, you realize is pure globalist bullshit, the basis for the advocacy of European genocide by repressed fertility combined with mass replacement immigration as pushed by that contemptible Commie, "Pope" Francis, who Vladimir Putin correctly labels as "not a Christian."

    You simply don't know the facts or are pushing propaganda for the globalist elite. The European peoples throughout the world are headed toward extinction, their fertility below replacement, and in many cases far below, and headed lower if the likes Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the atheist pope, are successful in the promotion of a one-child policy for white people.

    As for the carbon tax, you make no sense to me. It's a simple matter of economics, whereas you have elevated it to the status of a conspiracy theory.

    Well not all grandsons of the men who foisted WW1 on the World. There is, for example, Kim Jong Un, crazier by far, surely, than Kaiser Wilhelm, and unconnected with any of those responsible for the European civil wars.

    Had there been no BolshevikⓊ revolution in Russia, there’d be no Kim Jong Un.

    The way I see it is the world’s geopolitical realties on the ground are a direct consequence of the world wars and how they played out.

    Putin, the son of a factory worker and a naval conscript, is hardly the grandson of the Tsar.

    no, he’s like a Russian boy who witnessed his nation driven to madness, and grew up determined to put the pieces together. There isn’t one thing about Putin or the Russian people that isn’t very much a consequence of those evil wars. Their very identity, their aspirations, their fears and hopes are all a direct consequence of the suffering and horrors that those people endured, and the ravages upon Russia that those wars caused, including the lingering stench of communism that pervaded their lands until the devil decided that he’dⓊ become a capitalist! overnight, and looted the wealth and possessions and resources of Russia and the Russian people with the intent to really stick it to them.

    They went from the horrors of the world wars, to Stalin’s genocidal mass-murder and slavery and gulags- to languishing under the communist iron boot for generations, only to have the International Jews (Rothschild, et al) decide that they’d had enough of communism, since it required the PTB to feed the goyim, and now were going to be capitalists!, which required no such tiresome burdens upon them. And, they could openly flaunt their ill-gotten wealth!

    So yes, everything about Vladimir Putin is a direct consequence of the evil of the wars, the suffering of the Russian people during the reign of the FiendⓊ, and how he wrangled the fate of Russia out of their nefarious grip.

    He’s much more than a modern day Tsar, because they were handed Russia on a silver platter, and though the tragedy of hereditary rule, let it all slip though their pampered, delicate, anointed hands. Whereas Putin has had to do the hard work of restoring Russia from its ignoble servitude to the Rothschild fiend.

    China too is run by putative communists, very much a direct consequence of the evil wars; foisted upon our ancestors by banksters and the eternal enemies of Western civilization and mankind in order to create Israel and enslave/genocide the rest of us by blending.

    There isn’t hardly a nation on this planet whose destiny has not been determined by the last world war. Israel, Palestine, England and all its colonies, including in particular Zimbabwe and S. Africa, slated for reverse colonization and wholesale rape, murder and plunder. I’m no fan of the Nazis, but had Germany won the war, S. Africa and Rhodesia would be thriving nations full of hope and vigor. Rather than doomed to corruption and despair.

    Eastern Europe, the ZUSA and Canada, Western Europe, Scandinavia, etc.. (would Sweden have ‘no-go’ areas for ethnic Swedes had Germany won the war?)

    Anyway, that’s how I see it all. And that’s why I’ve read so much about that war and all the intrigue and lies we’ve been fed about it, because it set the tone for all of our lives. It gives the destroyers the doubleplus good hypocrisy to demand all white nations commit suicide, because if we don’t, it only proves we’re still Nazis at heart. Blah, blah, blah….

    We are exploding human numbers exponentially

    This, you realize is pure globalist bullshit, the basis for the advocacy of European genocide by repressed fertility combined with mass replacement immigration

    Only because you buy their lies. I don’t.

    Their lies are thus:

    whitey, don’t breed because there’s too many people / whitey, you need all these non-whites to come in and replace you since you’re not breeding.

    that’s it in a nutshell, and it only works because Germany lost the war, and that put the Fiend in power over much of the planet to set the narrative. And the Fiend’s agenda is to destroy Western civilization for all time. Duh! “Never Again!” and all that rot. It’s all about wiping out “racism” by wiping out white people. You’d have to be a nunce not to have noticed the Agenda staring us all in the face, haranguing us daily with their bullhorns calling us all “racists!!!”

    Just because there’s a hysterical anti-white agenda raging all over the white (and obviously non-white) world, is no reason to jump on board and agree that we need massive immigration. We don’t. It’s a (genocidal) lie, intended to put Western civilization in its grave once and for all, and nail a kosher nail in the coffin.

    How can you not know that?

    We don’t need more people!!! OK? We have plenty.

    We don’t need to fill every last parcel of land with consumers and tax slaves and cannon fodder for the next contrived wars for fun and profit.

    We can repudiate the wars and reduce our numbers without giving in to the tenacious and ubiquitous forces of hatred that want, (nay, demand) that all white nations commit suicide.

    You’re creating false cause and effects. Just because white nations are reducing their numbers, is no reason to ague that they need to find replacements elsewhere. That is a vile, devil’s lie of the Fiend and his assorted useful idiots who want ‘growth’ at all costs, because they’re addicted to their filthy lucre that is based on more and more people = more growth.

    We don’t need it! Iceland and New Zealand are perfectly prosperous and happy places. We should emulate them, not look for ways to destroy them, like we’re busy destroying all white nations.

    This blanket pall of hatred that has canvased the globe that demands all white nations genocide themselves, is part and parcel of the consequences of Germany losing the war, but not losing it to Russia or England or any other nations that also lost. We all lost to the Fiend. – The International banking cartelsⓊ run by our most intractable, and insidious, and invidious enemy. That is the reason white people are not having babies, because their societies are set up so that they don’t. Taxes and more taxes and spiritually, our media are relentless in telling white people in a billion subtle ways that they are evil and racist and should adopt a brown or black child than bring another Hitler into the world.

    Why is it this is so glaringly obvious to me and others, and yet otherwise intelligent people can’t see it? I think it’s because it’s part of the matrix they’ve created for us, where their schemes are so ubiquitous, that we can’t even see them.

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  168. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    The way I see it is the world’s geopolitical realties on the ground are a direct consequence of the world wars and how they played out.

    Unless the law of cause and effect has been suspended, then the present must inevitably be a result of the past, give or take some quantum events. But the causal chain includes human action, reasonable or unreasonable, moral or immoral, plus many unpredictable events from tsunamis to meteorite strikes. So to claim that a present event x is the direct consequence of historical event y, doesn’t really explain anything. Over any stretch of history, it is mainly the choices that people make that determine historical outcomes.

    One thing you and Orlosky seem to agree on is that I am wrong whatever I say.

    However, if you say that the European people are under genocidal attack, then we do agree on that.

    Cheers.

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    that I am wrong whatever I say.
     
    not even close

    I find your contributions thought-provoking and a pleasure to read

    but part of the reason I'm here is to both learn and also to subject my notions to the crucible of the Unz Review truth forge, and see where I'm in error, as I often am.

    If I'm questioning something, it's only because I think all people of good will are all trying to get at the truth, and a better understanding. No?

    we agree that Western civilization is under existential attack, but the way I see it is the only way our enemies can prevail is by our collective ignorance and apathy. It is that ignorance and apathy that I'm against. Not you. Not at all. I agree with you most of the time.

    Cheers

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  169. Rurik says:
    @CanSpeccy

    The way I see it is the world’s geopolitical realties on the ground are a direct consequence of the world wars and how they played out.
     
    Unless the law of cause and effect has been suspended, then the present must inevitably be a result of the past, give or take some quantum events. But the causal chain includes human action, reasonable or unreasonable, moral or immoral, plus many unpredictable events from tsunamis to meteorite strikes. So to claim that a present event x is the direct consequence of historical event y, doesn't really explain anything. Over any stretch of history, it is mainly the choices that people make that determine historical outcomes.

    One thing you and Orlosky seem to agree on is that I am wrong whatever I say.

    However, if you say that the European people are under genocidal attack, then we do agree on that.

    Cheers.

    that I am wrong whatever I say.

    not even close

    I find your contributions thought-provoking and a pleasure to read

    but part of the reason I’m here is to both learn and also to subject my notions to the crucible of the Unz Review truth forge, and see where I’m in error, as I often am.

    If I’m questioning something, it’s only because I think all people of good will are all trying to get at the truth, and a better understanding. No?

    we agree that Western civilization is under existential attack, but the way I see it is the only way our enemies can prevail is by our collective ignorance and apathy. It is that ignorance and apathy that I’m against. Not you. Not at all. I agree with you most of the time.

    Cheers

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    Rurik,

    I disagrre with CanSpeccy's assessment thst I disagree with all he says.

    Why I even believed some observations Charles Manson offered about society, during trial & subsequent conviction.

    Although he mandated The Family "Groupthink" process, Charlie was pretty tuned-in with the entertainment arts of the time.

    When interviewed by Geraldo Rivera on how crazy 60's kids were, Manson replied, "Well 'ya know when kids keep hearin' The Doors "light my fire, c'mon baby light my fire, 'ya gotta know some will go and light a freakin' fire!"

    The same process was underway when Senator John McCain sang "Bomb, Bomb Iran" on Howard Stern talk radio.

    Moral here is CanSpeccy under rated my preferential choice for objectivity. Thanks & long live the principled Resistance.
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  170. @Rurik

    that I am wrong whatever I say.
     
    not even close

    I find your contributions thought-provoking and a pleasure to read

    but part of the reason I'm here is to both learn and also to subject my notions to the crucible of the Unz Review truth forge, and see where I'm in error, as I often am.

    If I'm questioning something, it's only because I think all people of good will are all trying to get at the truth, and a better understanding. No?

    we agree that Western civilization is under existential attack, but the way I see it is the only way our enemies can prevail is by our collective ignorance and apathy. It is that ignorance and apathy that I'm against. Not you. Not at all. I agree with you most of the time.

    Cheers

    Rurik,

    I disagrre with CanSpeccy’s assessment thst I disagree with all he says.

    Why I even believed some observations Charles Manson offered about society, during trial & subsequent conviction.

    Although he mandated The Family “Groupthink” process, Charlie was pretty tuned-in with the entertainment arts of the time.

    When interviewed by Geraldo Rivera on how crazy 60′s kids were, Manson replied, “Well ‘ya know when kids keep hearin’ The Doors “light my fire, c’mon baby light my fire, ‘ya gotta know some will go and light a freakin’ fire!”

    The same process was underway when Senator John McCain sang “Bomb, Bomb Iran” on Howard Stern talk radio.

    Moral here is CanSpeccy under rated my preferential choice for objectivity. Thanks & long live the principled Resistance.

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    I disagrre with CanSpeccy’s assessment thst I disagree with all he says. ...I even believed some observations Charles Manson
     
    LOL

    That's sounds a bit like what they call damning with faint praise. Or, rather, I suppose, its damning by favorable comparison with the devil.
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  171. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @ChuckOrloski
    Rurik,

    I disagrre with CanSpeccy's assessment thst I disagree with all he says.

    Why I even believed some observations Charles Manson offered about society, during trial & subsequent conviction.

    Although he mandated The Family "Groupthink" process, Charlie was pretty tuned-in with the entertainment arts of the time.

    When interviewed by Geraldo Rivera on how crazy 60's kids were, Manson replied, "Well 'ya know when kids keep hearin' The Doors "light my fire, c'mon baby light my fire, 'ya gotta know some will go and light a freakin' fire!"

    The same process was underway when Senator John McCain sang "Bomb, Bomb Iran" on Howard Stern talk radio.

    Moral here is CanSpeccy under rated my preferential choice for objectivity. Thanks & long live the principled Resistance.

    I disagrre with CanSpeccy’s assessment thst I disagree with all he says. …I even believed some observations Charles Manson

    LOL

    That’s sounds a bit like what they call damning with faint praise. Or, rather, I suppose, its damning by favorable comparison with the devil.

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  172. @CanSpeccy
    Do you really think that no country in the world harbors aggressive intent beside the US and its NATO allies? A world without conflict would be wonderful indeed. But how do you expect to reach that state of affairs? India and China are at a military standoff; China is committing cultural genocide against the Ughurs, of Xinjiang, as it did against the Buddhists of Tibet, while turning islands in the South China Sea into unsinkable aircraft carriers; Russia is backing a secesionist movement in the Ukraine; numerous civil wars rage in Africa; the Saudis are at war with Yemen; ISIS wages war against the recognized governments of Syria and Iraq; nuclear-armed India is at odds with nuclear-armed Pakistan; Turkey wages continual war against the Kurds of Northern Syria and Iraq, Iran periodically talks of Israel being wiped from the page of history; while in Israel there are those who talk of taking down the world with nukes should Israel suffer military defeat; North Korea makes seemingly insane threats of nuclear war against the US.

    Under those circumstances, how do you see events unfolding should the US declare its intention to disarm unilaterally? How would Russia respond, the EU, China, Iran, the Latin American states, Canada?

    What you are proposing seems radical in the extreme. You must surely, therefore, have thought it through and can explain to us how Americans would benefit.

    You’ve been had. The actual term used (by then President Ahmadinejad) was that “Israel would DISAPPEAR from the pages of history”, meaning that it is unsustainable and cannot last. Israel mistranslated the quote to “Israel will be wiped from the map” to imply an aggressive intent by Iran. Malicious propaganda plain and simple.

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A Modern Guernica Enabled by Washington
Pressuring Candidates Even Before They Are Nominated
But is it even a friend?
The gagged whistleblower goes on the record.
Today’s CIA serves contractors and bureaucrats—not the nation.
Pay no mind to the Mossad agent on the line.