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It has been another week full of news about Russia. Americans might be surprised to learn that nearly every aspect of their lives has been somehow impacted by the insidious covert activity of a former global enemy that now has an economy the size of Spain or Italy. One of the latest claims is that Moscow has been covertly funding some environmental groups, most particularly those opposed to the use of fracking technologies. The allegations, which have recently surfaced in Congress, conceded that the Russians allegedly moved forward with their strategy to damage America’s energy independence without leaving behind “a paper trail,” thus there appears to actually be little or no supporting evidence for what is little more than a series of claims, which have been denied by the groups in question, including the highly respectable Sierra Club. Moscow has not commented.

To be sure, there is a certain logic inherent in assertions that Russia might be behind such a development as Moscow’s economy runs on energy exports and high prices are good for it. Consequently, it ought not surprise anyone that Russia would seek to discredit competitive technologies that work to increase the supply of energy and thereby cause prices to fall. It’s simple math, but is it true given the fact that environmental groups are widely popular due to the appeal of the product they are promoting and have their own reliable sources of income?

Now the irony in all this is that a major producer of relatively dirty oil is being accused of targeting an even dirtier and environmentally destructive energy resource, which is fracking, in collusion with organizations that are seeking to encourage the production of much cleaner power. And, of course, cleaner energy is a global interest whether one believes in climate change or not, which underlines the essential hypocrisy of the U.S. media in denouncing something that just might be good for the planet purely because Russia is allegedly involved.

And, of course, the congressmen involved in the revelation come from fracking states. If Moscow is for something then surely Washington must be against it, ignoring the fact that many genuinely patriotic Americans who care about such matters support more strict environmental regulations, no matter what the Wall Street Journal, the White House and the loony tunes in congress are saying.

There was a lot more anti-Russian agitprop in the U.S. media during the week, part of an endless stream of titillation provided free of charge to the American public in an effort to remind everyone that Russia is the enemy and will always be the enemy. Even Donald Trump’s milquetoast initiative to mend fences with Vladimir Putin cobbled together during their meeting in Hamburg has been assailed from all sides, most particularly by the usual parties who seem to be locked into an anti-Trump non-détente mindset come what may.

I was particularly bemused by the comment by former CIA Chief John Brennan who denounced Trump’s performance during the Group of 20 summit in Hamburg over the lack of a hard line against Putin and his failure to support the “word of the U.S. intelligence community” about Russian interference in the recent election. In an interview Brennan complained “He said it’s an honor to meet President Putin. An honor to meet the individual who carried out the assault against our election? To me, it was a dishonorable thing to say.”

Former weapons inspector Scott Ritter has demonstrated how the “word” of U.S. intel is not exactly what it might seem to be. And Brennan is not exactly a tabula rasa. As he observed in his comment, his ire derives from the claims over Russian alleged interference in the U.S. election, a narrative that Brennan himself has helped to create, to include his shady and possibly illegal contacting of foreign intelligence services to dig up dirt on the GOP presidential candidate and his associates. The dirt was dutifully provided by several European intelligence services which produced a report claiming, inter alia, that Donald Trump had urinated on a Russian prostitute in a bed previously slept in by Barack and Michelle Obama.

And along the way I have been assiduously trying to figure out the meaning of last week’s reports regarding the contacts of Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort with two alleged Russian agents while reportedly seeking the dirt on Hillary. As it turns out, there may not have been any discussion of Hillary, though possibly something having to do with irregularities in DNC fundraising surfaced, and there may have been a bit more about the Magnitsky Act and adopting Russian babies.

Barring any new revelations backed up by actual facts revealing that something substantive like a quid pro quo actually took place, the whole affair appears to be yet another example of a politically inspired fishing expedition. This observation is not necessarily naivete on my part nor a denial that it all might have been an intelligence operation, but it is an acceptance of the fact that probing and maneuvering is all part and parcel of what intelligence agencies do when they are dealing with adversaries and very often even with friends. It does not necessarily imply that Moscow was seeking to overthrow American democracy even if it was trying to advance its own interests.

Assuming even the worst case scenario that the media has been promoting, the Trump Tower meeting appears to have involved three political aspirants who were a bit on the novice side and a Russian lawyer and lobbyist who might have been intelligence cut-outs. What did happen anyway? Apart from not reporting the encounter by the three apparent victims of the planned corruption of America’s democratic process, nothing apparently happened except that the event itself has now given the esteemed Senator Charles Schumer and the Honorable Adam Schiff something new to mouth off about. Oh, and it keeps Rachel Maddow and Stephen Colbert, who is celebrating Russia Week on his program, employed.

Politics is a dirty business, based on power and money in these United States. Presumably back in mid-June there was enough salacious information floating around emanating from both parties to provide employment for plenty of individuals who were prepared to do whatever it would take to dig up something damaging up from any source available, including foreigners. That game was played by both sides and anyone who does not think that is so is avoiding the hard edge of the pervasive political corruption that greases the wheels in the United States.

So maybe Russia is funding some environmental groups or maybe not. And if it is, so what? I would welcome anyone who challenges fracking. And so what if a cluster of political tyros met with a couple of Russians who may or may not have been sent by Putin. Clearly, nothing came of it and meeting with a Russian and talking is not yet ipso facto a crime in this country.

Sure, let’s punish Russia if it has actually done something wrong, but first let’s see the evidence. All of which leads one to question why the U.S. media insist on holding the Russian government and its intelligence services to a higher standard than they do other countries like Israel, which persistently spy on the U.S. and regularly interfere in our political process? And what about our own government and its multitude of spy agencies? Are we always the guys in the white hats? Let’s look at the actual record. CIA has done far worse far more consistently in collecting information through misdirection, influencing overseas elections and even changing regimes than have the Russians. And let’s not forget the U.S. military’s record on Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and currently Syria. We are very good at that “regime change” sort of thing even though the results frequently turn out badly because no one in Washington seems to know what to do on day 2 after the invasion has ended with yet another “victory” and another foreign government has been consigned to the garbage heap.

 
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  1. RobinG says:

    Speaking of regime change, wasn’t it Victoria Nuland and George Soros’ enabling of Kiev coup that obliged the US installed puppet gov’t. of Ukraine to interfere in the 2016 election at the behest to DNC to assist Hillary?

    The MUST SEE guide to DNC/Ukraine Collusion and Election Interference

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    For a guy that claims to 'only be interested in the facts' this 'great' investigative reporter sure likes to serve up a crock of BS for his main course. While trying to make a case that the DNC was solely responsible for installing Yanukovych's replacement, the video clip shows Nuland making a phone call to somebody (?) announcing that her choice was Vitali Klitschko...oops, how did Victor Poroshenko end up running the show, and not Klitschko? Looks like this sinister Soros plot unraveled here a wee bit. Also, while trying to besmearch the good name of John McCain, he's shown on a stage with a supposed notorious 'anti-Semite'. But look, who's that third person on the stage with both McCain and Tyahnibok? Why it's Arseni Yatseniuk, a Ukrainian-Jew, of all people! What's this Ukrainian Jew doing on stage with this great anti-Semite? Maybe he's an anti-Semite too??...
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  2. chris says:

    Yeah, it might be illustrative to consider what the entire environmental movement would look like today if it was the Israelis and not the Arabs who owned the oil in the ME.

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    • Replies: @Greg Bacon

    Yeah, it might be illustrative to consider what the entire environmental movement would look like today if it was the Israelis and not the Arabs who owned the oil in the ME.
     
    The USA gets most of its oil from Canada, Mexico, Nigeria and Venezuela, not the ME.

    BTW, in a way, the Israelis do own most of the ME oil, thru their Wall Street confederates in control of the commodity market where the oil is sold. Sold back and forth around 15 times before it reaches the refinery, meaning the US customer is getting screwed BIG TIME by our Israeli ally.
    , @anon
    It would have few dollars more per gallon and would have been like that since 1950
  3. chris says:

    Also in this whole Russia-fracking gate, will no one in the media mention the vanglorious and incompetent sleuth, John Podesta’s Machiavellian (for dummies) support for groups putting pressure on the Catholic Church ?

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  4. LauraMR says:

    “Sure, let’s punish Russia if it has actually done something wrong, but first let’s see the evidence.”

    The arrogance of it.

    It is at times like this that I can only wonder what kind of death-rattling trauma we must endure as a nation to regain a measure of rationality.

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  5. ” A former global enemy that now has an economy the size of Spain or Italy.”
    Recent studies indicate that the Russian Economy is now larger than that of Germany. Current Western sanctions, far from harming the Russian economy, have been beneficial in supporting import substitution and diversification.
    It is clear Giraldi doesn’t read the work of his fellow columnist, Anatoly Karlin. Giraldi is still stuck in 1995. Time you caught up on your homework, Philip.

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    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
    This analysis comes from the World Economic Forum. Russia's economy is slightly bigger than Spain's and smaller than that of Italy. It is far smaller than that of Germany and is dwarfed by the US.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/worlds-biggest-economies-in-2017/

    , @Astuteobservor II
    he is using gdp numbers.
  6. Mr. giraldi should ask can Italy or Spain afford or make what Russia can ,can France or Germany? Hence Mr. Giraldi views of what Russian economy is, are not correct.

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  7. “… talking is not yet ipso facto a crime in this country.”

    There are secret laws, so one can no longer say even that with certainty. These are the same laws that make it illegal to know or merely meet a Russian.

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    • Replies: @Z-man
    As I've said many times before, one day it will be a crime, like it is in much of Europe already, to even question the numbers of the Holocaust, with SEVERE punishments maybe even death!
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Come again! Secret laws? You mean the ones Senator Caligula arranges to have carved in Esperanto on stone blocks exhibited once a week on the top of a 50 foot scaffold? You are talking about laws in the everyday dictionary or constitutionsl sense and not just some note from tbe White House?
  8. Beckow says:

    West needs evil white people. No civilization can function without some agreed on enemy. Russia has played this role on and off for centuries. Today there is simply no other viable candidate – with the multi-cultural and religous taboos, and the need for the enemy to be credible and a bit remote. So Russia it is and probably will be for a long time, any consequences be damned.

    Russia dislike also feeds well into the surviving atavistic hatreds among key groups in the West: grandkids of pogroms, endless emigres with their bitter family memories and a need to fit in, the deep seated thirst for revenge among Germans now that they are again allowed to sit at the Western table, the French and Anglo-Saxon egomania and a need to distract from their own history. And of course the Poles, they would line up to attack Russia if Al Queda would lead it. One cannot fight emotions.

    The question is whether it is wise. It is close to impossible to maintain permanent hostility with Russia, so something has to give. A climb-down is very unlikely – too many powerful people are freshly invested in the struggle against ‘evil Russkies’. The two other alternatives are worse: if Russia gets destroyed, West won’t last long – the Russia’s hinterland will get overrun by southern and eastern masses and West will be basically done for. And destroying both Russia and West in a war needs no analysis.

    Could we possibly perish because Western elites were emotionally invested in Clintons getting back in the White House and the jobs-perks that would come with it? Or because some nerd named Podesta messed up his email passwords? Well, why not, after all Franz Ferdinand’s driver made a bad turn and…

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  9. @Verymuchalive
    " A former global enemy that now has an economy the size of Spain or Italy."
    Recent studies indicate that the Russian Economy is now larger than that of Germany. Current Western sanctions, far from harming the Russian economy, have been beneficial in supporting import substitution and diversification.
    It is clear Giraldi doesn't read the work of his fellow columnist, Anatoly Karlin. Giraldi is still stuck in 1995. Time you caught up on your homework, Philip.

    This analysis comes from the World Economic Forum. Russia’s economy is slightly bigger than Spain’s and smaller than that of Italy. It is far smaller than that of Germany and is dwarfed by the US.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/worlds-biggest-economies-in-2017/

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    • Replies: @Erebus
    Mr. Giraldi, that's nominal GDP. Meaningless. Might as well cite the number of bubble gum chewers as an indicator.
    On a list of countries by projected 2017 GDP (PPP), Russia places 6th, in a virtual dead heat with Germany.

    On that basis, China is ahead of even the EU, with the US 2nd on a national basis, and a distant 3rd on an economic "block" basis. It is some $4T behind China, which sounds about right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

    , @Beckow
    The best way to compare economies is by using PPP (Purchasing Power Parity). It is not perfect, but it adjusts for currency fluctuation. By that measure, using CIA Worldbook for 2016, Russia is #6 economy in the world, slightly smaller than Germany. Spain is #16 and about half the size of Russia's economy in real terms.

    The reason it is absolutely essential to adjust for currecy conversion is that otherwise you get crazy variations when e.g. dollar goes up by 30% against the euro. Or in Russia's case ruble is down almost 50% against the dollar. Those are artificial numbers - showing size in 'dollars' that are nor used in those economies is like showing US economy's performance in pesos. PPP adjusts for purchasing power.

    Russia's economy is about the size of Germany, with almost twice the population. It is also one of 4-5 economies that can manufacture everything from jet planes and space rockets, to nuclear power plants and weapons. It has about 1/5 of world's total physical resources and is self-sufficient in food. It is the largest lightly populated space in the world. There are different ways we can be wrong about the realities around us, trying to have it both ways and to stay within some allowed boundaries is one of them.

    , @chris
    Why am I beginning to get the feeling that Russia is now being catapulted by the most complex algorithms to the forefront of the world economic ranking in order to make them look like the ominous opponent we've already 'agreed' to make them into?

    Isn't this a bit transparent ?
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    As a rule of thumb, nominal GDP is a superior proxy of financial strength, while PPP-adjusted GDP is better as a proxy of industrial, inc. military-industrial potential (and of real living standards in its per capita format).

    In the former domain, Russia is indeed a minnor; in the latter domain, it is indeed comparable to Germany.
  10. Erebus says:
    @Philip Giraldi
    This analysis comes from the World Economic Forum. Russia's economy is slightly bigger than Spain's and smaller than that of Italy. It is far smaller than that of Germany and is dwarfed by the US.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/worlds-biggest-economies-in-2017/

    Mr. Giraldi, that’s nominal GDP. Meaningless. Might as well cite the number of bubble gum chewers as an indicator.
    On a list of countries by projected 2017 GDP (PPP), Russia places 6th, in a virtual dead heat with Germany.

    On that basis, China is ahead of even the EU, with the US 2nd on a national basis, and a distant 3rd on an economic “block” basis. It is some $4T behind China, which sounds about right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    Western economic views were "monetarised" to the point of a complete absurd at the expense of real, that is manufacturing (productive) economy. This is the view which "equates" manufacturing of jet aircraft or space station with the balance sheet of some insurance company or some bank, both of which produce only services, much of them of a virtual and dubious nature. Sadly, "making money" long ago substituted "making things" and then making money based on that. The United States in particular paid a gruesome price for this delusion by de-industrializing almost to the point of no return. In the end, nothing short of a miraculous victory of Donald Trump is a greatest testimony to a complete bankruptcy of dominant monetarist economic views. He emphasized high paying manufacturing jobs--he won.
  11. Beckow says:
    @Philip Giraldi
    This analysis comes from the World Economic Forum. Russia's economy is slightly bigger than Spain's and smaller than that of Italy. It is far smaller than that of Germany and is dwarfed by the US.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/worlds-biggest-economies-in-2017/

    The best way to compare economies is by using PPP (Purchasing Power Parity). It is not perfect, but it adjusts for currency fluctuation. By that measure, using CIA Worldbook for 2016, Russia is #6 economy in the world, slightly smaller than Germany. Spain is #16 and about half the size of Russia’s economy in real terms.

    The reason it is absolutely essential to adjust for currecy conversion is that otherwise you get crazy variations when e.g. dollar goes up by 30% against the euro. Or in Russia’s case ruble is down almost 50% against the dollar. Those are artificial numbers – showing size in ‘dollars’ that are nor used in those economies is like showing US economy’s performance in pesos. PPP adjusts for purchasing power.

    Russia’s economy is about the size of Germany, with almost twice the population. It is also one of 4-5 economies that can manufacture everything from jet planes and space rockets, to nuclear power plants and weapons. It has about 1/5 of world’s total physical resources and is self-sufficient in food. It is the largest lightly populated space in the world. There are different ways we can be wrong about the realities around us, trying to have it both ways and to stay within some allowed boundaries is one of them.

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    • Replies: @for-the-record
    As the ultimate arbiter, we can refer to the Economist's "Big Mac Index":

    THE Big Mac index was invented by The Economist in 1986 as a lighthearted guide to whether currencies are at their “correct” level. It is based on the theory of purchasing-power parity (PPP), the notion that in the long run exchange rates should move towards the rate that would equalise the prices of an identical basket of goods and services (in this case, a burger) in any two countries. For example, the average price of a Big Mac in America in July 2017 was $5.30; in China it was only $2.92 at market exchange rates. So the "raw" Big Mac index says that the yuan was undervalued by 45% at that time.
     
    For July 2017 the Big Mac index shows the Russian ruble to be undervalued by 57%:

    Actual $ exchange rate -- 60.14

    Implied $ exchange rate -- 25.85

    http://www.economist.com/content/big-mac-index
  12. Z-man says:
    @The Alarmist

    "... talking is not yet ipso facto a crime in this country."
     
    There are secret laws, so one can no longer say even that with certainty. These are the same laws that make it illegal to know or merely meet a Russian.

    As I’ve said many times before, one day it will be a crime, like it is in much of Europe already, to even question the numbers of the Holocaust, with SEVERE punishments maybe even death!

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    • Replies: @lavoisier
    Counterproductive for sure.

    Criminalization of thought gives the thought more credibility.
  13. Z-man says:

    The Western Elites, you know who I mean, hate Putin for reestablishing and/or fostering the Christian Orthodox church in the country. ‘They’ just hate that!

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  14. Tom Welsh says:

    “Sure, let’s punish Russia if it has actually done something wrong, but first let’s see the evidence”.

    Well, there almost certainly isn’t any evidence. But that doesn’t really matter. Regardless, the USA DOES NOT GET to “punish” Russia. There is a little legal concept called “sovereignty” that seems to have slipped the mind of Americans. Nations do not – cannot “punish” one another these days. Until, perhaps, 1939, one nation could invade another and conquer it – but today that is illegal under international law, the Nuremberg Principles, and the UN Charter. Slighter acts of war, such as sanctions, are also strictly forbidden.

    Now, as we all know, the US government – like its li’l bitty buddy the Israeli government – is in the habit of completely ignoring all laws, and doing whatever it likes. But trampling the law underfoot is not a wise thing to do – one day, you yourself might need it.

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  15. Russia’s economy is slightly bigger than Spain’s and smaller than that of Italy

    Phil, this is dubious at best. The same as 18 trillion dollars US economy, 70% of which is FIRE, that is involved mostly in financial transactions. Even CIA’s World Fact Book gives it (for 2015) as 3.8 trillion. At 2017 it is stated at 3.9 trillion which is about the size of Germany’s. Using data of some supposedly “independent” (and globalist in nature) Swiss outlet on Russia is a dubious task. Big Mac Dollar was introduced for a reason.

    Here is dynamics of Russia’s GDP from International Monetary Fund (also globalist, but at least consistent).

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2015&ey=2022&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&pr1.x=94&pr1.y=12&c=922&s=NGDPD%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPGDP&grp=0&a=

    I omit here the usage of “absolute” dollars in measuring GDP–it really comes down to introducing not just Big Mac but F-35 dollars. When Spain will be able to produce what Russia produces, then…maybe.

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    • Replies: @Erebus
    For an in depth look at the Russian economy, have a look at: https://www.awaragroup.com/blog/russian-economy-2014-2016-the-years-of-sanctions-warfare/

    Amongst the conclusions:
    "In fact, (the Russian economy) is the most self-sufficient and diversified economy in the world." Thank God for sanctions. Before that it was just "a gas station with nukes".
    , @Sergey Krieger
    This is not the first time Phil compared Russia to Spain or Italy. It is widespread dillusion and meme I read often. I find it in line general American policy to repeat lies and insinuations non stop be it WW2 history, Ukraine, Russian GDP,elections and so forth until it is accepted as sort of truth. Even Phil being non mainstream still repeats this nonsense comparing Russia to Spain.
    , @Philip Giraldi
    Andrei and others we are really on the same side on this - no matter how one values the Russian economy it is still tiny compared to the US and Western Europe. My point is that it is ludicrous to keep calling it a threat to everyone else - it doesn't have the economic mojo to take on the world. So let's stop picking on
    Russia and calling it a threat. Likewise my comment about punishing Russia - if indeed Russia has deliberately gone out to wreck the US election then a response is in order. But we should be demanding evidence relating to all the allegations and even then when I am referring to punishment I am thinking in terms of sanctions and other actions, not any expansion of NATO or anything that actually threatens Russian security.
  16. Rich says:

    I stubbed my toe the other night because Russia moved my kitchen table.

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  17. Gg Mo says:

    2+ million Bolsheviks have immigrated to Israel from Russia since the Gravy-train collapsed in 1991, absconding with not a few billion dollars and a deep resentment . Various careerist took their policies and plans with them as well.

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  18. @Erebus
    Mr. Giraldi, that's nominal GDP. Meaningless. Might as well cite the number of bubble gum chewers as an indicator.
    On a list of countries by projected 2017 GDP (PPP), Russia places 6th, in a virtual dead heat with Germany.

    On that basis, China is ahead of even the EU, with the US 2nd on a national basis, and a distant 3rd on an economic "block" basis. It is some $4T behind China, which sounds about right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

    Western economic views were “monetarised” to the point of a complete absurd at the expense of real, that is manufacturing (productive) economy. This is the view which “equates” manufacturing of jet aircraft or space station with the balance sheet of some insurance company or some bank, both of which produce only services, much of them of a virtual and dubious nature. Sadly, “making money” long ago substituted “making things” and then making money based on that. The United States in particular paid a gruesome price for this delusion by de-industrializing almost to the point of no return. In the end, nothing short of a miraculous victory of Donald Trump is a greatest testimony to a complete bankruptcy of dominant monetarist economic views. He emphasized high paying manufacturing jobs–he won.

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    • Replies: @Erebus

    The United States in particular paid a gruesome price for this delusion by de-industrializing almost to the point of no return.
     
    Well, it had to if it was going to go for Dollar-based Hegemony. It apparently felt that it had to, and so it did.

    Triffin's Dilemma states that if a single nation is the issuer of the world's reserve currency, then that nation had to run increasingly massive trade deficits to fund the world's liquidity. What better way to do that than to encourage their industry (via tax incentives) to move their industry off-shore? The captains of American industry jumped at the gift and made a LOT of money feeding China's development.

    What China got way back in 2001 was the equivalent of being lent the US' credit card. They promptly traded piles of plastic toys and toasters for a modern 21st century infrastructure, a massive industrial base, and a sizeable military, raising some 1 billion of their population out of abject poverty along the way. They promised to open up their financial sector to foreign players, but shucks, that somehow never happened. Instead, the top 4 largest banks in the world are now Chinese. All state owned.
    When they hand that card back in, it'll be at, or just over its limit, and overseas USM personnel will be hitch-hiking rides back to the US.

    Shouldn't be long now.
  19. @Beckow
    The best way to compare economies is by using PPP (Purchasing Power Parity). It is not perfect, but it adjusts for currency fluctuation. By that measure, using CIA Worldbook for 2016, Russia is #6 economy in the world, slightly smaller than Germany. Spain is #16 and about half the size of Russia's economy in real terms.

    The reason it is absolutely essential to adjust for currecy conversion is that otherwise you get crazy variations when e.g. dollar goes up by 30% against the euro. Or in Russia's case ruble is down almost 50% against the dollar. Those are artificial numbers - showing size in 'dollars' that are nor used in those economies is like showing US economy's performance in pesos. PPP adjusts for purchasing power.

    Russia's economy is about the size of Germany, with almost twice the population. It is also one of 4-5 economies that can manufacture everything from jet planes and space rockets, to nuclear power plants and weapons. It has about 1/5 of world's total physical resources and is self-sufficient in food. It is the largest lightly populated space in the world. There are different ways we can be wrong about the realities around us, trying to have it both ways and to stay within some allowed boundaries is one of them.

    As the ultimate arbiter, we can refer to the Economist’s “Big Mac Index”:

    THE Big Mac index was invented by The Economist in 1986 as a lighthearted guide to whether currencies are at their “correct” level. It is based on the theory of purchasing-power parity (PPP), the notion that in the long run exchange rates should move towards the rate that would equalise the prices of an identical basket of goods and services (in this case, a burger) in any two countries. For example, the average price of a Big Mac in America in July 2017 was $5.30; in China it was only $2.92 at market exchange rates. So the “raw” Big Mac index says that the yuan was undervalued by 45% at that time.

    For July 2017 the Big Mac index shows the Russian ruble to be undervalued by 57%:

    Actual $ exchange rate — 60.14

    Implied $ exchange rate — 25.85

    http://www.economist.com/content/big-mac-index

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov

    As the ultimate arbiter, we can refer to the Economist’s
     
    Economist (the magazine) and real economy in the same sentence is a bad joke. Economist as "the ultimate arbiter" is altogether--beyond redemption.

    For July 2017 the Big Mac index shows the Russian ruble to be undervalued by 57%:
     
    Russian economy in general is undervalued several times--that is why for the last 20+ years virtually nobody in Western "analytical" organizations can explain what just hit them.
  20. Erebus says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Russia’s economy is slightly bigger than Spain’s and smaller than that of Italy
     
    Phil, this is dubious at best. The same as 18 trillion dollars US economy, 70% of which is FIRE, that is involved mostly in financial transactions. Even CIA's World Fact Book gives it (for 2015) as 3.8 trillion. At 2017 it is stated at 3.9 trillion which is about the size of Germany's. Using data of some supposedly "independent" (and globalist in nature) Swiss outlet on Russia is a dubious task. Big Mac Dollar was introduced for a reason.

    Here is dynamics of Russia's GDP from International Monetary Fund (also globalist, but at least consistent).

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2015&ey=2022&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&pr1.x=94&pr1.y=12&c=922&s=NGDPD%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPGDP&grp=0&a=

    I omit here the usage of "absolute" dollars in measuring GDP--it really comes down to introducing not just Big Mac but F-35 dollars. When Spain will be able to produce what Russia produces, then...maybe.

    For an in depth look at the Russian economy, have a look at: https://www.awaragroup.com/blog/russian-economy-2014-2016-the-years-of-sanctions-warfare/

    Amongst the conclusions:
    “In fact, (the Russian economy) is the most self-sufficient and diversified economy in the world.” Thank God for sanctions. Before that it was just “a gas station with nukes”.

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  21. @for-the-record
    As the ultimate arbiter, we can refer to the Economist's "Big Mac Index":

    THE Big Mac index was invented by The Economist in 1986 as a lighthearted guide to whether currencies are at their “correct” level. It is based on the theory of purchasing-power parity (PPP), the notion that in the long run exchange rates should move towards the rate that would equalise the prices of an identical basket of goods and services (in this case, a burger) in any two countries. For example, the average price of a Big Mac in America in July 2017 was $5.30; in China it was only $2.92 at market exchange rates. So the "raw" Big Mac index says that the yuan was undervalued by 45% at that time.
     
    For July 2017 the Big Mac index shows the Russian ruble to be undervalued by 57%:

    Actual $ exchange rate -- 60.14

    Implied $ exchange rate -- 25.85

    http://www.economist.com/content/big-mac-index

    As the ultimate arbiter, we can refer to the Economist’s

    Economist (the magazine) and real economy in the same sentence is a bad joke. Economist as “the ultimate arbiter” is altogether–beyond redemption.

    For July 2017 the Big Mac index shows the Russian ruble to be undervalued by 57%:

    Russian economy in general is undervalued several times–that is why for the last 20+ years virtually nobody in Western “analytical” organizations can explain what just hit them.

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    • Replies: @for-the-record
    I think you failed to appreciate the "tongue in cheek" quality of my remark. In your rather blind haste to defend Russia, which I can well understand, you seem to miss the fact that I am essentially on your side.

    As to being "several times" times undervalued, this is not at all inconsistent with the 57% undervaluation shown by the Big Mac index, which means that the ruble's "true" value is nearly 2.5 times its quoted value.
    , @Verymuchalive
    This was part of the argument I was trying to expose. The Russian economy is grossly undervalued and many people who should know better like Philip Giraldi tend to grossly underestimate its size, range and capabilities.
    By contrast, the American economy is grossly overvalued and its capabilities grossly overestimated. You yourself gave the most absurd example: Facebook is now valued on a parity with Boeing. Purely as an advertising vehicle, which is all it is, Facebook might be worth a couple of hundred million dollars. But no more.
    And the there's Twitter. Never made a profit in its 11 years. $2 billion accumulative deficits. Book worth $11 billion. You couldn't make it up.
  22. Pandos says:
    @Gg Mo
    2+ million Bolsheviks have immigrated to Israel from Russia since the Gravy-train collapsed in 1991, absconding with not a few billion dollars and a deep resentment . Various careerist took their policies and plans with them as well.

    OH thank you Jesus!

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    OH thank you Jesus!
     
    The lord gives and the lord takes ---

    Russian immigrants leaving Israel, discouraged by conversion woes...
    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.623745



    Apr 14, 2017 Putin's Aliyah: Russian Jews leave Israel – Middle East Monitor
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170414-russian-jews-leave-israel/

    (This may be one of the primary reasons for the ongoing demonization of Russia: One of zionism's foremost goals was the in-gathering of the diaspora. In the past zionists have destabilised states where Jews dwelt -- peacefully and securely -- in order to frighten Jews into leaving. If the Jews who left Russia in the 1980s are now returning, or are not integrating successfully in Israel, then similar tactics will likely be deployed.)
    ... Putin's Aliyah: Russian Jews leave Israel ... According to Rozovsky, the post- 2000 immigrants, especially those who arrived following the failed ...



    May 10, 2017 ... Some 17 per cent of the Jewish immigrants who came to Israel from the former Soviet Union in the early 1990s have since left, official data by ...

    25 years later, Russian speakers still the 'other' in Israel,...
    www.timesofisrael.com/25-years-later-russian-speakers-still-...

    Sep 1, 2016 ... “The majority of native-born Israelis think Russian Israelis are not Jews,” said Svetlova. .... were forced to give up their citizenship and pension upon leaving.
  23. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @chris
    Yeah, it might be illustrative to consider what the entire environmental movement would look like today if it was the Israelis and not the Arabs who owned the oil in the ME.

    Yeah, it might be illustrative to consider what the entire environmental movement would look like today if it was the Israelis and not the Arabs who owned the oil in the ME.

    The USA gets most of its oil from Canada, Mexico, Nigeria and Venezuela, not the ME.

    BTW, in a way, the Israelis do own most of the ME oil, thru their Wall Street confederates in control of the commodity market where the oil is sold. Sold back and forth around 15 times before it reaches the refinery, meaning the US customer is getting screwed BIG TIME by our Israeli ally.

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    • Replies: @chris
    Yeah, I know we don't get our oil in the ME, but we justify our meddling there and everywhere by trying to keep it out of the hands of our 'enemies' and flowing to our friends. ... even if we have to create those friends and enemies in order to create a role for ourselves.

    Regarding the second point you made, I didn't know that, but somehow I'm not exactly surprised!
  24. @Andrei Martyanov

    As the ultimate arbiter, we can refer to the Economist’s
     
    Economist (the magazine) and real economy in the same sentence is a bad joke. Economist as "the ultimate arbiter" is altogether--beyond redemption.

    For July 2017 the Big Mac index shows the Russian ruble to be undervalued by 57%:
     
    Russian economy in general is undervalued several times--that is why for the last 20+ years virtually nobody in Western "analytical" organizations can explain what just hit them.

    I think you failed to appreciate the “tongue in cheek” quality of my remark. In your rather blind haste to defend Russia, which I can well understand, you seem to miss the fact that I am essentially on your side.

    As to being “several times” times undervalued, this is not at all inconsistent with the 57% undervaluation shown by the Big Mac index, which means that the ruble’s “true” value is nearly 2.5 times its quoted value.

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    My point was not in "defending Russia"--my reasons are much deeper than any mere "defense". I may have missed your sarcasm on Economist, but using Ruble (or any currency in general) as an economic indicator is a tricky business. Structure of GDP and a number of enclosed technological cycles are among most important, in fact--defining, factors.
  25. @The Alarmist

    "... talking is not yet ipso facto a crime in this country."
     
    There are secret laws, so one can no longer say even that with certainty. These are the same laws that make it illegal to know or merely meet a Russian.

    Come again! Secret laws? You mean the ones Senator Caligula arranges to have carved in Esperanto on stone blocks exhibited once a week on the top of a 50 foot scaffold? You are talking about laws in the everyday dictionary or constitutionsl sense and not just some note from tbe White House?

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  26. Erebus says:
    @Andrei Martyanov
    Western economic views were "monetarised" to the point of a complete absurd at the expense of real, that is manufacturing (productive) economy. This is the view which "equates" manufacturing of jet aircraft or space station with the balance sheet of some insurance company or some bank, both of which produce only services, much of them of a virtual and dubious nature. Sadly, "making money" long ago substituted "making things" and then making money based on that. The United States in particular paid a gruesome price for this delusion by de-industrializing almost to the point of no return. In the end, nothing short of a miraculous victory of Donald Trump is a greatest testimony to a complete bankruptcy of dominant monetarist economic views. He emphasized high paying manufacturing jobs--he won.

    The United States in particular paid a gruesome price for this delusion by de-industrializing almost to the point of no return.

    Well, it had to if it was going to go for Dollar-based Hegemony. It apparently felt that it had to, and so it did.

    Triffin’s Dilemma states that if a single nation is the issuer of the world’s reserve currency, then that nation had to run increasingly massive trade deficits to fund the world’s liquidity. What better way to do that than to encourage their industry (via tax incentives) to move their industry off-shore? The captains of American industry jumped at the gift and made a LOT of money feeding China’s development.

    What China got way back in 2001 was the equivalent of being lent the US’ credit card. They promptly traded piles of plastic toys and toasters for a modern 21st century infrastructure, a massive industrial base, and a sizeable military, raising some 1 billion of their population out of abject poverty along the way. They promised to open up their financial sector to foreign players, but shucks, that somehow never happened. Instead, the top 4 largest banks in the world are now Chinese. All state owned.
    When they hand that card back in, it’ll be at, or just over its limit, and overseas USM personnel will be hitch-hiking rides back to the US.

    Shouldn’t be long now.

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    What China got way back in 2001 was the equivalent of being lent the US’ credit card. They promptly traded piles of plastic toys and toasters for a modern 21st century infrastructure, a massive industrial base, and a sizeable military, raising some 1 billion of their population out of abject poverty along the way. They promised to open up their financial sector to foreign players, but shucks, that somehow never happened. Instead, the top 4 largest banks in the world are now Chinese. All state owned.
     
    Very true. But using term "massive industrial base" may give an aneurysm to some Wall Street economic "analysts" or create a cognitive dissonance of such a scale that will require psychiatric intervention.
  27. @for-the-record
    I think you failed to appreciate the "tongue in cheek" quality of my remark. In your rather blind haste to defend Russia, which I can well understand, you seem to miss the fact that I am essentially on your side.

    As to being "several times" times undervalued, this is not at all inconsistent with the 57% undervaluation shown by the Big Mac index, which means that the ruble's "true" value is nearly 2.5 times its quoted value.

    My point was not in “defending Russia”–my reasons are much deeper than any mere “defense”. I may have missed your sarcasm on Economist, but using Ruble (or any currency in general) as an economic indicator is a tricky business. Structure of GDP and a number of enclosed technological cycles are among most important, in fact–defining, factors.

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    • Replies: @for-the-record
    Using rubles at the "official" exchange rate is of course meaningless; however, using a purchasing-power-parity adjusted exchange rate (which is what the Big Mac index is, in a certain sense) provides a very useful means for comparing levels of outputs in different countries, do you not agree?
  28. It is quite certain that rich American environmentalists have funded speciously connected Aboriginal litigants to conduct lawfate against the potentially gigantic Galilee Basin ptoject in Queensland to export coal to India.

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  29. @Erebus

    The United States in particular paid a gruesome price for this delusion by de-industrializing almost to the point of no return.
     
    Well, it had to if it was going to go for Dollar-based Hegemony. It apparently felt that it had to, and so it did.

    Triffin's Dilemma states that if a single nation is the issuer of the world's reserve currency, then that nation had to run increasingly massive trade deficits to fund the world's liquidity. What better way to do that than to encourage their industry (via tax incentives) to move their industry off-shore? The captains of American industry jumped at the gift and made a LOT of money feeding China's development.

    What China got way back in 2001 was the equivalent of being lent the US' credit card. They promptly traded piles of plastic toys and toasters for a modern 21st century infrastructure, a massive industrial base, and a sizeable military, raising some 1 billion of their population out of abject poverty along the way. They promised to open up their financial sector to foreign players, but shucks, that somehow never happened. Instead, the top 4 largest banks in the world are now Chinese. All state owned.
    When they hand that card back in, it'll be at, or just over its limit, and overseas USM personnel will be hitch-hiking rides back to the US.

    Shouldn't be long now.

    What China got way back in 2001 was the equivalent of being lent the US’ credit card. They promptly traded piles of plastic toys and toasters for a modern 21st century infrastructure, a massive industrial base, and a sizeable military, raising some 1 billion of their population out of abject poverty along the way. They promised to open up their financial sector to foreign players, but shucks, that somehow never happened. Instead, the top 4 largest banks in the world are now Chinese. All state owned.

    Very true. But using term “massive industrial base” may give an aneurysm to some Wall Street economic “analysts” or create a cognitive dissonance of such a scale that will require psychiatric intervention.

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    • Replies: @Erebus
    With any luck, it'll spoil their whole afternoon.
  30. @Andrei Martyanov
    My point was not in "defending Russia"--my reasons are much deeper than any mere "defense". I may have missed your sarcasm on Economist, but using Ruble (or any currency in general) as an economic indicator is a tricky business. Structure of GDP and a number of enclosed technological cycles are among most important, in fact--defining, factors.

    Using rubles at the “official” exchange rate is of course meaningless; however, using a purchasing-power-parity adjusted exchange rate (which is what the Big Mac index is, in a certain sense) provides a very useful means for comparing levels of outputs in different countries, do you not agree?

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    do you not agree?
     
    As one of the tools of economic analysis--agree.
  31. @Andrei Martyanov

    Russia’s economy is slightly bigger than Spain’s and smaller than that of Italy
     
    Phil, this is dubious at best. The same as 18 trillion dollars US economy, 70% of which is FIRE, that is involved mostly in financial transactions. Even CIA's World Fact Book gives it (for 2015) as 3.8 trillion. At 2017 it is stated at 3.9 trillion which is about the size of Germany's. Using data of some supposedly "independent" (and globalist in nature) Swiss outlet on Russia is a dubious task. Big Mac Dollar was introduced for a reason.

    Here is dynamics of Russia's GDP from International Monetary Fund (also globalist, but at least consistent).

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2015&ey=2022&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&pr1.x=94&pr1.y=12&c=922&s=NGDPD%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPGDP&grp=0&a=

    I omit here the usage of "absolute" dollars in measuring GDP--it really comes down to introducing not just Big Mac but F-35 dollars. When Spain will be able to produce what Russia produces, then...maybe.

    This is not the first time Phil compared Russia to Spain or Italy. It is widespread dillusion and meme I read often. I find it in line general American policy to repeat lies and insinuations non stop be it WW2 history, Ukraine, Russian GDP,elections and so forth until it is accepted as sort of truth. Even Phil being non mainstream still repeats this nonsense comparing Russia to Spain.

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    Those are mantras. In one sense I understand that, even among people who, otherwise, would be considered "realists". It is akin to John Mearsheimer repeating non-stop his favorite mantra of Russian Armed Forces being "a mediocre army". It will take some time for a reality to sink in.
  32. Flavius says:

    Both as a veteran and as a former cold warrior, I must say that I feel betrayed by the myopia, historical ignorance, incompetence, hubris, recklessness, sheer nuttiness of the Washington establishment’s conduct towards Russia over the past 20 years – bipartisan insanity. When one thinks it can’t get worse, it gets worse; or as the circa 70s Soviet saying went, things are worse today than yesterday, but better than tomorrow.
    Economic numbers are relevant but ultimately beside the point when calculating one’s national interest in the context of the world’s major political and nuclear powers and history’s most blood soaked century.
    Kudos to people like Phil Giraldi, Ray McGovern, and Patrick Buchanan who demonstrate regularly that at least some who were there as witnesses of what was retain the good judgment to recognize the road the damn DC fools ever more insistently are taking us down; and I would add for no good reason at all, but purely out of habit and for having something to do.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    "DC fools ever more insistently are taking us down; and I would add for no good reason at all, but purely out of habit and for having something to do."

    I can't agree with that. I would say that total global control is the ultimate motivation.

    America's role is to be the persuader and enforcer until such time as relative parity is achieved and then America can be reduced to little more than a struggling entity that can be slotted in amongst the other competing economic zones (all controlled by the same interests) in a competitive race to the bottom scenario.
  33. @Andrei Martyanov

    As the ultimate arbiter, we can refer to the Economist’s
     
    Economist (the magazine) and real economy in the same sentence is a bad joke. Economist as "the ultimate arbiter" is altogether--beyond redemption.

    For July 2017 the Big Mac index shows the Russian ruble to be undervalued by 57%:
     
    Russian economy in general is undervalued several times--that is why for the last 20+ years virtually nobody in Western "analytical" organizations can explain what just hit them.

    This was part of the argument I was trying to expose. The Russian economy is grossly undervalued and many people who should know better like Philip Giraldi tend to grossly underestimate its size, range and capabilities.
    By contrast, the American economy is grossly overvalued and its capabilities grossly overestimated. You yourself gave the most absurd example: Facebook is now valued on a parity with Boeing. Purely as an advertising vehicle, which is all it is, Facebook might be worth a couple of hundred million dollars. But no more.
    And the there’s Twitter. Never made a profit in its 11 years. $2 billion accumulative deficits. Book worth $11 billion. You couldn’t make it up.

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov

    You yourself gave the most absurd example: Facebook is now valued on a parity with Boeing.
     
    Atrocious, isn't it? Boeing--a crown jewel of American (and global aerospace) industry and engineering genius and a FB. One produces technological marvels with global demand, another produces absolutely nothing, sadly, also with a global demand.

    BTW, as I type this--Russia held today opening of 2017 MAKS aerospace exhibition--a real economy on display. There is only other nation in the world which can on her own produce anything comparable--and that is the US.
    , @HallParvey
    "You couldn’t make it up."

    Actually, you could. In fact, somebody did.

    Bonjour
  34. @for-the-record
    Using rubles at the "official" exchange rate is of course meaningless; however, using a purchasing-power-parity adjusted exchange rate (which is what the Big Mac index is, in a certain sense) provides a very useful means for comparing levels of outputs in different countries, do you not agree?

    do you not agree?

    As one of the tools of economic analysis–agree.

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  35. Mr. Hack says:
    @RobinG
    Speaking of regime change, wasn't it Victoria Nuland and George Soros' enabling of Kiev coup that obliged the US installed puppet gov't. of Ukraine to interfere in the 2016 election at the behest to DNC to assist Hillary?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfNe5WsmKwU&t=19s
    The MUST SEE guide to DNC/Ukraine Collusion and Election Interference

    For a guy that claims to ‘only be interested in the facts’ this ‘great’ investigative reporter sure likes to serve up a crock of BS for his main course. While trying to make a case that the DNC was solely responsible for installing Yanukovych’s replacement, the video clip shows Nuland making a phone call to somebody (?) announcing that her choice was Vitali Klitschko…oops, how did Victor Poroshenko end up running the show, and not Klitschko? Looks like this sinister Soros plot unraveled here a wee bit. Also, while trying to besmearch the good name of John McCain, he’s shown on a stage with a supposed notorious ‘anti-Semite’. But look, who’s that third person on the stage with both McCain and Tyahnibok? Why it’s Arseni Yatseniuk, a Ukrainian-Jew, of all people! What’s this Ukrainian Jew doing on stage with this great anti-Semite? Maybe he’s an anti-Semite too??…

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    • Replies: @Zenarchy
    Yats is not a Jew and even Ukraine's chief rabbi has said so.
    Have you even looked at him? There may be blonde and blue-eyed Jews etc, but this guy has zero Jewish features.
    , @RobinG
    Where to begin? How about the notion that John McCain has a good name to besmirch. ("Besmearch" sounds a bit like something a James Bond villain would do, no?)

    Next, why the pretense? Everyone knows that Fuktoria was speaking with U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Ross Pyatt. From Wikipedia,

    "In their phone conversation, Nuland and Pyatt discussed who should be in the government after Viktor Yanukovych's ouster and in what ways they might achieve that transition, with the name of Arseniy Yatsenyuk (whom Nuland refers to as "Yats") coming up several times. Specifically, the two spoke about which opposition leaders they would like to see in government, what pitches they would give each opposition leader in subsequent calls to achieve this, and strategies on how they would try to manage the 'personality problems' and conflicts between the different opposition leaders with ambitions to become president.[15][16] Yatsenyuk became prime minister of Ukraine on February 27, 2014"
     
    So, as you see, their man Yats did become prime minister. Porky, the chocolate king, subsequently became president. Maybe your hearing is bad: they ruled out Klitch from the top positions.

    Ya, that's the irony, that the Nudelwoman took power by unleashing a bunch of Banderites and neo-nazis. Pretty funny, huh? BTW, are you sure Mr. Hack isn't really Mr. Hasbara?
  36. Erebus says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    What China got way back in 2001 was the equivalent of being lent the US’ credit card. They promptly traded piles of plastic toys and toasters for a modern 21st century infrastructure, a massive industrial base, and a sizeable military, raising some 1 billion of their population out of abject poverty along the way. They promised to open up their financial sector to foreign players, but shucks, that somehow never happened. Instead, the top 4 largest banks in the world are now Chinese. All state owned.
     
    Very true. But using term "massive industrial base" may give an aneurysm to some Wall Street economic "analysts" or create a cognitive dissonance of such a scale that will require psychiatric intervention.

    With any luck, it’ll spoil their whole afternoon.

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  37. @Andrei Martyanov

    Russia’s economy is slightly bigger than Spain’s and smaller than that of Italy
     
    Phil, this is dubious at best. The same as 18 trillion dollars US economy, 70% of which is FIRE, that is involved mostly in financial transactions. Even CIA's World Fact Book gives it (for 2015) as 3.8 trillion. At 2017 it is stated at 3.9 trillion which is about the size of Germany's. Using data of some supposedly "independent" (and globalist in nature) Swiss outlet on Russia is a dubious task. Big Mac Dollar was introduced for a reason.

    Here is dynamics of Russia's GDP from International Monetary Fund (also globalist, but at least consistent).

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2015&ey=2022&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&pr1.x=94&pr1.y=12&c=922&s=NGDPD%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPGDP&grp=0&a=

    I omit here the usage of "absolute" dollars in measuring GDP--it really comes down to introducing not just Big Mac but F-35 dollars. When Spain will be able to produce what Russia produces, then...maybe.

    Andrei and others we are really on the same side on this – no matter how one values the Russian economy it is still tiny compared to the US and Western Europe. My point is that it is ludicrous to keep calling it a threat to everyone else – it doesn’t have the economic mojo to take on the world. So let’s stop picking on
    Russia and calling it a threat. Likewise my comment about punishing Russia – if indeed Russia has deliberately gone out to wreck the US election then a response is in order. But we should be demanding evidence relating to all the allegations and even then when I am referring to punishment I am thinking in terms of sanctions and other actions, not any expansion of NATO or anything that actually threatens Russian security.

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    if indeed Russia has deliberately gone out to wreck the US election then a response is in order.
     
    Agree, as strange it may sound from the man of my background. The United Sates is a sovereign nation and has to guard her institutions with everything at her disposal. Having said all that--I doubt strongly that Russia interfered in US elections. I make this conclusion purely on assessing the overall (much improved since mid-2000s) intellectual level of people who run Russian institutions which potentially may have interfered. I don't think those people are that stupid as to endanger US-Russian relations which are crucial for global stability, or whatever is left of it anyway.
    , @Erebus

    ... it is ludicrous to keep calling it a threat...
     
    Mr. Giraldi, you're missing the salient point. The rulers of the USA aren't delusional lunatics. Russia is the single largest threat to America's dream of Global Hegemony. It's refusal to kowtow to Washington, and more critically, its lending of its military power to underpin China's Silk Road Dreams guarantees their GH dream will die.

    For the rulers of the USA, that's anathema. As good as death itself. They bet Americans' well being, Brand America, its industrial and civilian infrastructure, and almost its farms, for Global Hegemony and came up craps. They'll lose the farms soon enough.

    That is why they're panicking, and why they're going to do everything they can to break their fall. Above all, they have to convince their allies to stay loyal, particularly Europe long enough to allow them to "think of something".

    They have to stop the Silk Road from coming somehow, or American power will recede to the continent, leaving them to boss Canada and Mexico around. With Russia out of the way, China's a pushover. The two together can't be overcome. It really is as simple as that.
    , @Beckow
    How do you "wreck an election"? I can imagine a number of ways from using violence, intimidation, media pressure, buying votes, blackmail of candidates, electoral fraud, and a few others. But none of those happened in a significant way in the 2016 elections - and the esteemed Mr. Obama went out of his way right before the elections to say that all was in order.

    Now, one can argue that some of the above always happens, and that it also happened in 2016 in US (there was some violence and media manipulation, there is always some fraud...). But how can any sane person claim that it "wrecked the election"?

    If one looks at any event long enough and is motivated to find 'irregularities', one can always find them. But how was 2016 different from 2012,or 2000, or 1968, or any other election year?
  38. @Sergey Krieger
    This is not the first time Phil compared Russia to Spain or Italy. It is widespread dillusion and meme I read often. I find it in line general American policy to repeat lies and insinuations non stop be it WW2 history, Ukraine, Russian GDP,elections and so forth until it is accepted as sort of truth. Even Phil being non mainstream still repeats this nonsense comparing Russia to Spain.

    Those are mantras. In one sense I understand that, even among people who, otherwise, would be considered “realists”. It is akin to John Mearsheimer repeating non-stop his favorite mantra of Russian Armed Forces being “a mediocre army”. It will take some time for a reality to sink in.

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  39. @Philip Giraldi
    Andrei and others we are really on the same side on this - no matter how one values the Russian economy it is still tiny compared to the US and Western Europe. My point is that it is ludicrous to keep calling it a threat to everyone else - it doesn't have the economic mojo to take on the world. So let's stop picking on
    Russia and calling it a threat. Likewise my comment about punishing Russia - if indeed Russia has deliberately gone out to wreck the US election then a response is in order. But we should be demanding evidence relating to all the allegations and even then when I am referring to punishment I am thinking in terms of sanctions and other actions, not any expansion of NATO or anything that actually threatens Russian security.

    if indeed Russia has deliberately gone out to wreck the US election then a response is in order.

    Agree, as strange it may sound from the man of my background. The United Sates is a sovereign nation and has to guard her institutions with everything at her disposal. Having said all that–I doubt strongly that Russia interfered in US elections. I make this conclusion purely on assessing the overall (much improved since mid-2000s) intellectual level of people who run Russian institutions which potentially may have interfered. I don’t think those people are that stupid as to endanger US-Russian relations which are crucial for global stability, or whatever is left of it anyway.

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    The United Sates is a sovereign nation and has to guard her institutions with everything at her disposal. Having said all that–I doubt strongly that Russia interfered in US elections.
     
    The American electorate has, for 50 years, consistently elected "representatives" who, without fail, proceeded to take actions to devastate the American economy while enriching themselves and their grotesquely-corrupt monetary "supporters". With that in mind, why on earth would Russia seek to interfere in a US election? America is rapidly destroying itself -- no interference is necessary.
  40. Back to “no evidence” again! “Let’s punish Russia if it has actually done something wrong”. OK. How about punishing Russia for what it has done and is doing in Ukraine? Everything Putin has done there is totally illegal under international law and the “evidence” is already there. Putin doesn’t deny it! By the way, from what I gather, talking with representatives of a foreign power with a view to obtaining an advantage is a federal crime and it matters not one whit whether any advantage was actually obtained or even that the “representatives” were faking. In the particular case, DNC “dirt” actually did pop up on the internet. Moreover, one of the lawyer’s clients was being prosecuted for money laundering. Trump removed the federal prosecutor and the company was suddenly offered a sweet settlement deal without a guilty plea. That’s a long way from “ipso facto”!

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    Everything Putin has done there is totally illegal under international law and the “evidence” is already there.
     
    Care to cite any of it?
    I have yet to see the Kremlin take a single step off the black letter law. I'd be interested if you did.
    , @Rurik

    How about punishing Russia for what it has done and is doing in Ukraine? Everything Putin has done there is totally illegal under international law and the “evidence” is already there.
     
    you must be from the Kagan family of war pigs

    Victoria Nuland (Nudelman), and her corpulent husband Robert Kagan

    the waddling blob of lard Frederick Kagan and his war sow wife Kimberly Kagan

    which one are you?

    http://il6.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/11730821/thumb/1.jpg

    , @Anonymous

    How about punishing Russia for what it has done and is doing in Ukraine? Everything Putin has done there is totally illegal under international law and the “evidence” is already there.
     
    I see you are a well-paid 2nd-tier hasbara. A slicker, smoother, more practiced line of patter. But, bullshit, per the usual.

    Russia has long-standing agreements with Ukraine that establish rights-of-way to its bases in Crimea. Nothing illegal was done with respect to international law. It's very typical of Israelis to squawk nastily about "international law" that does not exist.

    Good to have you aboard, Moshe! We need a good token around to shill for Israel. Keep that bullshit coming!!
    , @Apolonius
    Lets punish Russia? Are you sure that you have big enough punisher?
    How you people get to think and say such a things? Are you not aware that Russia can obliterate USA and western Europe in 30 mins? No anti-rocket system will help, russian missiles can change their trajectory in flight(american don´t ) ! Not adding that to defend against thousands of missiles is virtually impossible. You still writing like you have power over Russia,this is the most stupid thing you can do - but of course , you are an exceptional representative of the exceptional people... You have a donkey for the president, and you blame it on Russia? Whole world is having fun watching this opera..
    As to international law, USA and NATO countries are in the gravest breach of the international law, they have executed illegal war and occupation in Serbia, since 1999.(That is just first of many) Let us first punish that, together with reparations to the attacked nation, and then you can start speaking about "International law".
  41. @Verymuchalive
    This was part of the argument I was trying to expose. The Russian economy is grossly undervalued and many people who should know better like Philip Giraldi tend to grossly underestimate its size, range and capabilities.
    By contrast, the American economy is grossly overvalued and its capabilities grossly overestimated. You yourself gave the most absurd example: Facebook is now valued on a parity with Boeing. Purely as an advertising vehicle, which is all it is, Facebook might be worth a couple of hundred million dollars. But no more.
    And the there's Twitter. Never made a profit in its 11 years. $2 billion accumulative deficits. Book worth $11 billion. You couldn't make it up.

    You yourself gave the most absurd example: Facebook is now valued on a parity with Boeing.

    Atrocious, isn’t it? Boeing–a crown jewel of American (and global aerospace) industry and engineering genius and a FB. One produces technological marvels with global demand, another produces absolutely nothing, sadly, also with a global demand.

    BTW, as I type this–Russia held today opening of 2017 MAKS aerospace exhibition–a real economy on display. There is only other nation in the world which can on her own produce anything comparable–and that is the US.

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  42. Moral Equivalence? Heck no. America is the indispensable and exceptional nation.

    We can commit the same sins in even greater number and magnitude than other nations yet no one can hold us accountable while we hold others accountable for identical actions.

    I recently wrote a very intelligent and cogent comment on a right-wing website which suggested that viewing America as if we were indispensable and exceptional, despite the plain fact that Trump was elected precisely because we aren’t either of those things and his job was to find flaws and fix them, would tend to placate Americans such that we don’t get to work fixing those flaws.

    Guess what, that post was deleted by moderators within seconds.

    Swell-headedness and self importance seems very deeply ingrained in Americans.

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  43. Erebus says:
    @Philip Giraldi
    Andrei and others we are really on the same side on this - no matter how one values the Russian economy it is still tiny compared to the US and Western Europe. My point is that it is ludicrous to keep calling it a threat to everyone else - it doesn't have the economic mojo to take on the world. So let's stop picking on
    Russia and calling it a threat. Likewise my comment about punishing Russia - if indeed Russia has deliberately gone out to wreck the US election then a response is in order. But we should be demanding evidence relating to all the allegations and even then when I am referring to punishment I am thinking in terms of sanctions and other actions, not any expansion of NATO or anything that actually threatens Russian security.

    … it is ludicrous to keep calling it a threat…

    Mr. Giraldi, you’re missing the salient point. The rulers of the USA aren’t delusional lunatics. Russia is the single largest threat to America’s dream of Global Hegemony. It’s refusal to kowtow to Washington, and more critically, its lending of its military power to underpin China’s Silk Road Dreams guarantees their GH dream will die.

    For the rulers of the USA, that’s anathema. As good as death itself. They bet Americans’ well being, Brand America, its industrial and civilian infrastructure, and almost its farms, for Global Hegemony and came up craps. They’ll lose the farms soon enough.

    That is why they’re panicking, and why they’re going to do everything they can to break their fall. Above all, they have to convince their allies to stay loyal, particularly Europe long enough to allow them to “think of something”.

    They have to stop the Silk Road from coming somehow, or American power will recede to the continent, leaving them to boss Canada and Mexico around. With Russia out of the way, China’s a pushover. The two together can’t be overcome. It really is as simple as that.

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    If your analysis is correct, and it may well be, then our decline as a superpower will be the result of Jewish hegemony and the traitorous behavior of the cuckservatives.

    A nation hollowed out at its core will die.

  44. Erebus says:
    @Michael Kenny
    Back to "no evidence" again! "Let’s punish Russia if it has actually done something wrong". OK. How about punishing Russia for what it has done and is doing in Ukraine? Everything Putin has done there is totally illegal under international law and the "evidence" is already there. Putin doesn't deny it! By the way, from what I gather, talking with representatives of a foreign power with a view to obtaining an advantage is a federal crime and it matters not one whit whether any advantage was actually obtained or even that the "representatives" were faking. In the particular case, DNC "dirt" actually did pop up on the internet. Moreover, one of the lawyer's clients was being prosecuted for money laundering. Trump removed the federal prosecutor and the company was suddenly offered a sweet settlement deal without a guilty plea. That's a long way from "ipso facto"!

    Everything Putin has done there is totally illegal under international law and the “evidence” is already there.

    Care to cite any of it?
    I have yet to see the Kremlin take a single step off the black letter law. I’d be interested if you did.

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  45. Rurik says: • Website

    if indeed Russia has deliberately gone out to wreck the US election then a response is in order.

    Agree

    when you compare how the ZUSA has intervened in other nations sovereign affairs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJVcdKxs3XA

    and compare that to a Russian lawyer meeting with Trump surrogates with potential dirt on Clinton, the sheer hypocrisy is enough to benumb the mind and soul, it’s so beyond egregious.

    what’s going on is the unipolar world of Zio-NATO demanding fealty from every last bastion of the dying multilateral international community, until it’s zio-interests reign the entire length and breath of the planet, without a shred of resistance or dissent.

    Sort of like the way they demanded that no one give Edward Snowden safe haven. And almost all nations kowtowed. They will not rest until their unipolar domination extends to every last bastion of human freedom from their $atanic power.

    The United Sates is a sovereign nation and has to guard her institutions with everything at her disposal

    that’s laughable.

    the institutions of the US were murdered on 9/11, along with all those people in the planes and towers. We are no longer a people or a nation with a legal constitution, but rather are an occupied people with a quisling government serving Israel’s interests, day and night. We’re about as sovereign as Palestine, but at least they have the dignity of seeing their occupation for what it is, whereas we play pretend, and act like we’re still sovereign, even as our citizens are assassinated if they become inconvenient to the regime in Tel Aviv that runs things here.

    if we’re going to be occupied by a hostile regime that hates us and wants to use us as cannon fodder to enslave Russia and everyone else, then we ought at least be allowed the dignity of knowing it and saying it.

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    I may agree with you on some points but those agreements are not bases for denouncing national sovereignty as a crucial guiding principle of international relations. Yes, including USA.
  46. Rurik says: • Website
    @Michael Kenny
    Back to "no evidence" again! "Let’s punish Russia if it has actually done something wrong". OK. How about punishing Russia for what it has done and is doing in Ukraine? Everything Putin has done there is totally illegal under international law and the "evidence" is already there. Putin doesn't deny it! By the way, from what I gather, talking with representatives of a foreign power with a view to obtaining an advantage is a federal crime and it matters not one whit whether any advantage was actually obtained or even that the "representatives" were faking. In the particular case, DNC "dirt" actually did pop up on the internet. Moreover, one of the lawyer's clients was being prosecuted for money laundering. Trump removed the federal prosecutor and the company was suddenly offered a sweet settlement deal without a guilty plea. That's a long way from "ipso facto"!

    How about punishing Russia for what it has done and is doing in Ukraine? Everything Putin has done there is totally illegal under international law and the “evidence” is already there.

    you must be from the Kagan family of war pigs

    Victoria Nuland (Nudelman), and her corpulent husband Robert Kagan

    the waddling blob of lard Frederick Kagan and his war sow wife Kimberly Kagan

    which one are you?

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  47. @Pandos
    OH thank you Jesus!

    OH thank you Jesus!

    The lord gives and the lord takes —

    Russian immigrants leaving Israel, discouraged by conversion woes…

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.623745

    Apr 14, 2017 Putin’s Aliyah: Russian Jews leave Israel – Middle East Monitor

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170414-russian-jews-leave-israel/

    (This may be one of the primary reasons for the ongoing demonization of Russia: One of zionism’s foremost goals was the in-gathering of the diaspora. In the past zionists have destabilised states where Jews dwelt — peacefully and securely — in order to frighten Jews into leaving. If the Jews who left Russia in the 1980s are now returning, or are not integrating successfully in Israel, then similar tactics will likely be deployed.)
    … Putin’s Aliyah: Russian Jews leave Israel … According to Rozovsky, the post- 2000 immigrants, especially those who arrived following the failed …

    May 10, 2017 … Some 17 per cent of the Jewish immigrants who came to Israel from the former Soviet Union in the early 1990s have since left, official data by …

    25 years later, Russian speakers still the ‘other’ in Israel,…
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/25-years-later-russian-speakers-still-…;

    Sep 1, 2016 … “The majority of native-born Israelis think Russian Israelis are not Jews,” said Svetlova. …. were forced to give up their citizenship and pension upon leaving.

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    I would think that most are emigrating to the US, no?
    , @Gg Mo
    Alternative Reality Indeed.
  48. @Rurik


    if indeed Russia has deliberately gone out to wreck the US election then a response is in order.
     
    Agree
     
    when you compare how the ZUSA has intervened in other nations sovereign affairs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJVcdKxs3XA

    and compare that to a Russian lawyer meeting with Trump surrogates with potential dirt on Clinton, the sheer hypocrisy is enough to benumb the mind and soul, it's so beyond egregious.

    what's going on is the unipolar world of Zio-NATO demanding fealty from every last bastion of the dying multilateral international community, until it's zio-interests reign the entire length and breath of the planet, without a shred of resistance or dissent.

    Sort of like the way they demanded that no one give Edward Snowden safe haven. And almost all nations kowtowed. They will not rest until their unipolar domination extends to every last bastion of human freedom from their $atanic power.

    The United Sates is a sovereign nation and has to guard her institutions with everything at her disposal
     
    that's laughable.

    the institutions of the US were murdered on 9/11, along with all those people in the planes and towers. We are no longer a people or a nation with a legal constitution, but rather are an occupied people with a quisling government serving Israel's interests, day and night. We're about as sovereign as Palestine, but at least they have the dignity of seeing their occupation for what it is, whereas we play pretend, and act like we're still sovereign, even as our citizens are assassinated if they become inconvenient to the regime in Tel Aviv that runs things here.

    http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/netanyahu-congress-600x449.jpg

    if we're going to be occupied by a hostile regime that hates us and wants to use us as cannon fodder to enslave Russia and everyone else, then we ought at least be allowed the dignity of knowing it and saying it.

    I may agree with you on some points but those agreements are not bases for denouncing national sovereignty as a crucial guiding principle of international relations. Yes, including USA.

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    national sovereignty as a crucial guiding principle of international relations. Yes, including USA.
     
    OK, but in order to expect anyone else to respect international law and the sovereignty of nations, isn't it rather incumbent upon us that we (the ZUSA) do so as well?

    IOW, wouldn't it be rather silly for Israel to punish a Palestinian for failing to recognize Israel's sovereignty, when Israel doesn't even respect his right to breath, let alone have a spot on the earth that he can call his own?

    Isn't it sort of a folly for the ZUSA to demand that Russia respect our sovereignty, when we relentlessly subvert her election processes and the stability of the nations on her borders, in a direct and obvious attempt to destabilize their government and society? And try to do them all manor of harm to benefit some dark and devious scheme of the (by now notorious) villains that run our government and institutions?

    It seems like Jerry Sandusky demanding that Mother Theresa be more considerate to children.

    or at least, that's sort of how it seems to me.

    But then I'll gladly pretend that Trump is going to return to us our sovereignty, and behave within the norms of International Law, (respecting all other nation's sovereignty) and then when that happens, then I'll agree with you vis-a-vis the importance of protecting the institutions of our national sovereignty. Something I hope Trump will be able to wrest back from Tel Aviv, and we can all live happily ever after.
  49. chris says:
    @Greg Bacon

    Yeah, it might be illustrative to consider what the entire environmental movement would look like today if it was the Israelis and not the Arabs who owned the oil in the ME.
     
    The USA gets most of its oil from Canada, Mexico, Nigeria and Venezuela, not the ME.

    BTW, in a way, the Israelis do own most of the ME oil, thru their Wall Street confederates in control of the commodity market where the oil is sold. Sold back and forth around 15 times before it reaches the refinery, meaning the US customer is getting screwed BIG TIME by our Israeli ally.

    Yeah, I know we don’t get our oil in the ME, but we justify our meddling there and everywhere by trying to keep it out of the hands of our ‘enemies’ and flowing to our friends. … even if we have to create those friends and enemies in order to create a role for ourselves.

    Regarding the second point you made, I didn’t know that, but somehow I’m not exactly surprised!

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  50. Beckow says:
    @Philip Giraldi
    Andrei and others we are really on the same side on this - no matter how one values the Russian economy it is still tiny compared to the US and Western Europe. My point is that it is ludicrous to keep calling it a threat to everyone else - it doesn't have the economic mojo to take on the world. So let's stop picking on
    Russia and calling it a threat. Likewise my comment about punishing Russia - if indeed Russia has deliberately gone out to wreck the US election then a response is in order. But we should be demanding evidence relating to all the allegations and even then when I am referring to punishment I am thinking in terms of sanctions and other actions, not any expansion of NATO or anything that actually threatens Russian security.

    How do you “wreck an election”? I can imagine a number of ways from using violence, intimidation, media pressure, buying votes, blackmail of candidates, electoral fraud, and a few others. But none of those happened in a significant way in the 2016 elections – and the esteemed Mr. Obama went out of his way right before the elections to say that all was in order.

    Now, one can argue that some of the above always happens, and that it also happened in 2016 in US (there was some violence and media manipulation, there is always some fraud…). But how can any sane person claim that it “wrecked the election”?

    If one looks at any event long enough and is motivated to find ‘irregularities’, one can always find them. But how was 2016 different from 2012,or 2000, or 1968, or any other election year?

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    Since Hilary was supposed to win the election. . .and didn't, for those who hoped her win would paper over all the establishment corruption in Washington the election was indeed wrecked.
  51. Rurik says: • Website
    @Andrei Martyanov
    I may agree with you on some points but those agreements are not bases for denouncing national sovereignty as a crucial guiding principle of international relations. Yes, including USA.

    national sovereignty as a crucial guiding principle of international relations. Yes, including USA.

    OK, but in order to expect anyone else to respect international law and the sovereignty of nations, isn’t it rather incumbent upon us that we (the ZUSA) do so as well?

    IOW, wouldn’t it be rather silly for Israel to punish a Palestinian for failing to recognize Israel’s sovereignty, when Israel doesn’t even respect his right to breath, let alone have a spot on the earth that he can call his own?

    Isn’t it sort of a folly for the ZUSA to demand that Russia respect our sovereignty, when we relentlessly subvert her election processes and the stability of the nations on her borders, in a direct and obvious attempt to destabilize their government and society? And try to do them all manor of harm to benefit some dark and devious scheme of the (by now notorious) villains that run our government and institutions?

    It seems like Jerry Sandusky demanding that Mother Theresa be more considerate to children.

    or at least, that’s sort of how it seems to me.

    But then I’ll gladly pretend that Trump is going to return to us our sovereignty, and behave within the norms of International Law, (respecting all other nation’s sovereignty) and then when that happens, then I’ll agree with you vis-a-vis the importance of protecting the institutions of our national sovereignty. Something I hope Trump will be able to wrest back from Tel Aviv, and we can all live happily ever after.

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov

    OK, but in order to expect anyone else to respect international law and the sovereignty of nations, isn’t it rather incumbent upon us that we (the ZUSA) do so as well?
     
    Yes, absolutely so.

    It seems like Jerry Sandusky demanding that Mother Theresa be more considerate to children. or at least, that’s sort of how it seems to me.
     
    A good point you make but once you observe with the naked eye most of what is going on currently in terms of global power re-balancing--it is precisely about a bottom line of several guiding principles applied to everyone which should be followed--respect for sovereignty is the most important of them. It will require (and it is happening as I type is) a significant re-defining of US "exceptionalism" before new balance is achieved but it is this new balance into whose sails the winds of history are blowing. Having said all that, espionage and operations of influence will certainly not go anywhere, but the level of violence will be reduced greatly.
  52. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Andrei Martyanov

    if indeed Russia has deliberately gone out to wreck the US election then a response is in order.
     
    Agree, as strange it may sound from the man of my background. The United Sates is a sovereign nation and has to guard her institutions with everything at her disposal. Having said all that--I doubt strongly that Russia interfered in US elections. I make this conclusion purely on assessing the overall (much improved since mid-2000s) intellectual level of people who run Russian institutions which potentially may have interfered. I don't think those people are that stupid as to endanger US-Russian relations which are crucial for global stability, or whatever is left of it anyway.

    The United Sates is a sovereign nation and has to guard her institutions with everything at her disposal. Having said all that–I doubt strongly that Russia interfered in US elections.

    The American electorate has, for 50 years, consistently elected “representatives” who, without fail, proceeded to take actions to devastate the American economy while enriching themselves and their grotesquely-corrupt monetary “supporters”. With that in mind, why on earth would Russia seek to interfere in a US election? America is rapidly destroying itself — no interference is necessary.

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    The American electorate has, for 50 years, consistently elected “representatives” who, without fail, proceeded to take actions to devastate the American economy while enriching themselves and their grotesquely-corrupt monetary “supporters”.
     
    True to a large degree. Yet:

    With that in mind, why on earth would Russia seek to interfere in a US election? America is rapidly destroying itself — no interference is necessary.
     
    You could be really stunned if you think that Russia seeks destruction of the US and once real Russia's intentions are understood. This is not to speak of consequences of the US imploding--they will be global and could be simply catastrophic for all. US is a nuclear superpower and is still a crucial player in global economy. Russia sure as hell is interested in saner and, in a good geopolitical sense, national interests' defending US--but those interests certainly can not be "global" in neocon "interpretation". In the end, during campaigning Trump was saying very many right words and those words have been prepared for him by very powerful people, which testifies to the fact of some powerful forces inside US who do understand the new game. We all are currently at the point of no return, we are still balancing on it, whether we will cross into the "pass the point of NR" is yet to be seen. But US power is declining both in relative and absolute terms and this process is objective.
  53. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Michael Kenny
    Back to "no evidence" again! "Let’s punish Russia if it has actually done something wrong". OK. How about punishing Russia for what it has done and is doing in Ukraine? Everything Putin has done there is totally illegal under international law and the "evidence" is already there. Putin doesn't deny it! By the way, from what I gather, talking with representatives of a foreign power with a view to obtaining an advantage is a federal crime and it matters not one whit whether any advantage was actually obtained or even that the "representatives" were faking. In the particular case, DNC "dirt" actually did pop up on the internet. Moreover, one of the lawyer's clients was being prosecuted for money laundering. Trump removed the federal prosecutor and the company was suddenly offered a sweet settlement deal without a guilty plea. That's a long way from "ipso facto"!

    How about punishing Russia for what it has done and is doing in Ukraine? Everything Putin has done there is totally illegal under international law and the “evidence” is already there.

    I see you are a well-paid 2nd-tier hasbara. A slicker, smoother, more practiced line of patter. But, bullshit, per the usual.

    Russia has long-standing agreements with Ukraine that establish rights-of-way to its bases in Crimea. Nothing illegal was done with respect to international law. It’s very typical of Israelis to squawk nastily about “international law” that does not exist.

    Good to have you aboard, Moshe! We need a good token around to shill for Israel. Keep that bullshit coming!!

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  54. lavoisier says: • Website

    Nothing at all respectable about the modern day Sierra Club.

    They sold out for a big donation from a Jewish donor committed to open borders.

    The environment in the United States be dammed.

    It is all about the money with the modern day Sierra Club.

    Nothing more disrespectful, or predictable with liberals, than that.

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  55. @Anonymous

    The United Sates is a sovereign nation and has to guard her institutions with everything at her disposal. Having said all that–I doubt strongly that Russia interfered in US elections.
     
    The American electorate has, for 50 years, consistently elected "representatives" who, without fail, proceeded to take actions to devastate the American economy while enriching themselves and their grotesquely-corrupt monetary "supporters". With that in mind, why on earth would Russia seek to interfere in a US election? America is rapidly destroying itself -- no interference is necessary.

    The American electorate has, for 50 years, consistently elected “representatives” who, without fail, proceeded to take actions to devastate the American economy while enriching themselves and their grotesquely-corrupt monetary “supporters”.

    True to a large degree. Yet:

    With that in mind, why on earth would Russia seek to interfere in a US election? America is rapidly destroying itself — no interference is necessary.

    You could be really stunned if you think that Russia seeks destruction of the US and once real Russia’s intentions are understood. This is not to speak of consequences of the US imploding–they will be global and could be simply catastrophic for all. US is a nuclear superpower and is still a crucial player in global economy. Russia sure as hell is interested in saner and, in a good geopolitical sense, national interests’ defending US–but those interests certainly can not be “global” in neocon “interpretation”. In the end, during campaigning Trump was saying very many right words and those words have been prepared for him by very powerful people, which testifies to the fact of some powerful forces inside US who do understand the new game. We all are currently at the point of no return, we are still balancing on it, whether we will cross into the “pass the point of NR” is yet to be seen. But US power is declining both in relative and absolute terms and this process is objective.

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    You could be really stunned if you think that Russia seeks destruction of the US and once real Russia’s intentions are understood. This is not to speak of consequences of the US imploding–they will be global and could be simply catastrophic for all.
     
    In my opinion, it follows that both Russia and China need the USA for economic reasons -- markets, currency standard, stabilizing effect of military, etc. More correctly, they need something like the USA, so the USA serves the purpose for the meanwhile. The US is collapsing from decay, where China is on a growth spurt of yet undetermined duration, Russia on a rebirth cycle following collapse that did not destroy it.

    All interesting factors. I will say I do not believe the US can engender rebirth, and its collapse will be properly calamitous. We shall see.
  56. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Z-man
    As I've said many times before, one day it will be a crime, like it is in much of Europe already, to even question the numbers of the Holocaust, with SEVERE punishments maybe even death!

    Counterproductive for sure.

    Criminalization of thought gives the thought more credibility.

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  57. chris says:
    @Philip Giraldi
    This analysis comes from the World Economic Forum. Russia's economy is slightly bigger than Spain's and smaller than that of Italy. It is far smaller than that of Germany and is dwarfed by the US.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/worlds-biggest-economies-in-2017/

    Why am I beginning to get the feeling that Russia is now being catapulted by the most complex algorithms to the forefront of the world economic ranking in order to make them look like the ominous opponent we’ve already ‘agreed’ to make them into?

    Isn’t this a bit transparent ?

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  58. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Erebus

    ... it is ludicrous to keep calling it a threat...
     
    Mr. Giraldi, you're missing the salient point. The rulers of the USA aren't delusional lunatics. Russia is the single largest threat to America's dream of Global Hegemony. It's refusal to kowtow to Washington, and more critically, its lending of its military power to underpin China's Silk Road Dreams guarantees their GH dream will die.

    For the rulers of the USA, that's anathema. As good as death itself. They bet Americans' well being, Brand America, its industrial and civilian infrastructure, and almost its farms, for Global Hegemony and came up craps. They'll lose the farms soon enough.

    That is why they're panicking, and why they're going to do everything they can to break their fall. Above all, they have to convince their allies to stay loyal, particularly Europe long enough to allow them to "think of something".

    They have to stop the Silk Road from coming somehow, or American power will recede to the continent, leaving them to boss Canada and Mexico around. With Russia out of the way, China's a pushover. The two together can't be overcome. It really is as simple as that.

    If your analysis is correct, and it may well be, then our decline as a superpower will be the result of Jewish hegemony and the traitorous behavior of the cuckservatives.

    A nation hollowed out at its core will die.

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    • Replies: @Erebus
    Well, it's not really an "analysis" as such. If one goes back to the literature of the time, one sees that Triffen's Dilemma was known to the policy makers, and was hovering overhead in the deliberations leading up to Nixon's "closing the gold window" in 1971.

    Dollar Hegemony was very attractive because it offered the West the opportunity to do an end run around its military stalemate in its Great Game with the USSR. Though closing the gold window was a policy decision, the attraction was not lost on the captain's of American industry. They could count on a generation or so of extraordinary profit and scrambled on board.

    It was Dollar Hegemony that underpinned the West's takedown of the USSR. By loaning the USSR "hard currency" (remember that term?), and then collapsing the prices of the stuff the USSR exported to pay back the loans, the USSR was forced into austerity, and ultimately default.
    That plan is a matter of historical record, so didn't require any "analysis" on my part either. They tried the same thing again in 2014, but I suspect the Russians were ready for them this time.

    As for the Jewish part, the elite in most countries are "international" in their lifestyle and outlook. Yes, Jews are over-represented there, and are possibly more "international" in outlook than goy elites, but real "Jewish hegemony" comes later with the rise of the Financial State. Having laid out the ground work in the '90s with the repeal of Glass-Steagal etc, it really takes off at the time of 9/11, which coincided with the 2nd shoe dropping on the American economy. Namely, China's ascendance to the WTO and gaining Most Favoured Nation status.

    To make Dollar Hegemony work, you need a powerful, and effective military. They got the "powerful" part, in the sense that the USM is really good at blowing stuff up, but they muffed the "effective", and so here we are.
  59. yeah says:

    Philip Giraldi, pretending to be so fair and reasonable, writes, ““Sure, let’s punish Russia if it has actually done something wrong, but first let’s see the evidence.”

    Punish exactly how? By making the Russians wear dunce caps? By expelling even more Russian diplomats? Or perhaps by launching a few good ones?

    The stupidity, hypocrisy, and hubris of Neocons and their bedmates, the progressives, makes me gasp. It doesn’t seem to occur to anyone that the sanest and safest way in troubled times is for all parties to observe international law and not to renounce it.

    Now what great human ideal, what dazzling symptom of moral and political greatness has been achieved by bombing silly but miserably weak countries? Is Iraq a better place for anyone now?Is Libya more democratic now? Should N. Korea be similarly treated? And of course the mother of all questions: how should Russia be punished? Will more Nato exercises in the Baltic teach the Russians better manners? What if they took it into their heads to conduct military exercises off the Gulf of Mexico? Of course, that will only prove how fiendish they are, how they “interfered” with US democracy. Interfered how? Perhaps they lifted American skirts a little too high. The US never, ever interferes with any country’s political processes. The CIA exists to ensure that every US agency follows international law fully. But damn these Russians, they don’t understand such noble things.

    Dangerous times when hypocrisy and arrogance gets mixed up with tons of stupidity and ignorance.

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  60. Cortes says:

    An excellent article. Thank you.

    One minor quibble. The “golden shower” allegation was designed to be more embarrassing than your version of it, since the story was that the prostitutes urinated on Trump and not the other way round.

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    I knew right away that that whole golden shower story was fake because on the margins this charge had been made about Hitler also over the years.

    Seems to be the standard smear against nazis, #7 in the ol' lexicon.
  61. @Rurik

    national sovereignty as a crucial guiding principle of international relations. Yes, including USA.
     
    OK, but in order to expect anyone else to respect international law and the sovereignty of nations, isn't it rather incumbent upon us that we (the ZUSA) do so as well?

    IOW, wouldn't it be rather silly for Israel to punish a Palestinian for failing to recognize Israel's sovereignty, when Israel doesn't even respect his right to breath, let alone have a spot on the earth that he can call his own?

    Isn't it sort of a folly for the ZUSA to demand that Russia respect our sovereignty, when we relentlessly subvert her election processes and the stability of the nations on her borders, in a direct and obvious attempt to destabilize their government and society? And try to do them all manor of harm to benefit some dark and devious scheme of the (by now notorious) villains that run our government and institutions?

    It seems like Jerry Sandusky demanding that Mother Theresa be more considerate to children.

    or at least, that's sort of how it seems to me.

    But then I'll gladly pretend that Trump is going to return to us our sovereignty, and behave within the norms of International Law, (respecting all other nation's sovereignty) and then when that happens, then I'll agree with you vis-a-vis the importance of protecting the institutions of our national sovereignty. Something I hope Trump will be able to wrest back from Tel Aviv, and we can all live happily ever after.

    OK, but in order to expect anyone else to respect international law and the sovereignty of nations, isn’t it rather incumbent upon us that we (the ZUSA) do so as well?

    Yes, absolutely so.

    It seems like Jerry Sandusky demanding that Mother Theresa be more considerate to children. or at least, that’s sort of how it seems to me.

    A good point you make but once you observe with the naked eye most of what is going on currently in terms of global power re-balancing–it is precisely about a bottom line of several guiding principles applied to everyone which should be followed–respect for sovereignty is the most important of them. It will require (and it is happening as I type is) a significant re-defining of US “exceptionalism” before new balance is achieved but it is this new balance into whose sails the winds of history are blowing. Having said all that, espionage and operations of influence will certainly not go anywhere, but the level of violence will be reduced greatly.

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    several guiding principles applied to everyone which should be followed–respect for sovereignty is the most important of them
     
    I don't know what to think of respect for sovereignty as the most important principle, in the light of the fairly well-known situation described here (http://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/Tragedy_and_Hope.pdf) in Chapter 61, especially on pages 867-869.
  62. chris says:
    @Cortes
    An excellent article. Thank you.

    One minor quibble. The "golden shower" allegation was designed to be more embarrassing than your version of it, since the story was that the prostitutes urinated on Trump and not the other way round.

    I knew right away that that whole golden shower story was fake because on the margins this charge had been made about Hitler also over the years.

    Seems to be the standard smear against nazis, #7 in the ol’ lexicon.

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    Chris, if memory serves, Norman Davies (in his selection of key moments and people "Europe" - a door stopper of a book) went much further in describing the sexual pathology of Hitler. I may be mistaken (won't be the first or only time) so don't sue me. Check out the relevant section of the book.
    Here, dealing with President Trump, the effort appears to me to be defamatory and consistent with the seeming ongoing campaign to destabilise his presidency by actors known and unknown.
  63. former global enemy that now has an economy the size of Spain or Italy.

    But keep in mind that it’s wrong to assess Russian economy this way.

    Much of Spanish or Italian economy is just tourism, wine, foods, and such stuff. Italy and Spain don’t have Power Economies.

    In contrast, Russia has tons of resources, big machinery, military ware, and energy.
    So, it is a Power Economy. And if Russia were to enter into war-footing, these sectors could be expanded vastly, like during WWII.

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  64. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Wow. Just wow.

    In fact:

    1. Russia has been involved in financing ‘green’ anti EU and Ukrainian fracking for years. This is, in fact, interesting. Liquid crude oil is fungible but natural gas is very expensive to move around except in direct, physically connected pipelines. Ukraine could develop an unconventional gas and oil industry — in theory. It has resources but not the political or economic cohesion to do anything for its economy.

    2. Same with Europe. except there isn’t much to develop. Romania gave it a try and could have done something at $100 oil but its project has been abandon at current prices.

    3. US sanctions on Russia resulted in ‘import substitution’ economic development. The Ruble haircut (roughly half) has turned Russia into an agriculture export powerhouse. It’s now the largest exporter of grain in the world.

    4. What did we do? We ‘manipulated’ Russia’s currency downward and luck reduced (temporarily) the value of oil exports. We pushed other countries *not* to trade with Russia. This resulted in Russia boycotting food imports, among other things. Effectively a tariff. The only negative was a real, significant, but transitory cost to Russian standard of living. I suppose the rationale was to punish Putin and cause political unrest. That worked well, no?

    5. Meanwhile — Fracking. Lets call it unconventional US Oil and Gas. The US is effectively self sufficient regarding net total trade balance of oil and gas, including refined products and basic chemicals. Not quite as obvious as it would be if every component was in exact balance. US refineries can get more out of heavy crude and well continue to import it and refine it. The US produces multi millions of bbl per day of ‘liquids’ — a large quantity of which are exported. Propane, among others. Look it up if you are curious. Meanwhile, the US is the world’s largest producer of natural gas.

    The entire unconventional oil industry is the only large area of expansion in the US economy since 2008. It’s why the US has done better than the rest of the developed world’s economies since 2008. What replaced the housing bubble? I suppose nothing, but unconventional oil has come close. A problem is that the benefits are more concentrated than single family housing — which had the advantage of being spread around fairly uniformly, with a lot going to the deplorable engaged in a segment of the skilled labor needed to pull it off.

    A policy of global hegemony focused on oil is more than backwards looking. I suppose it is impossible not to fight the last war. WW 2 wasn’t primarily about oil, but the popular narrative tends to seriously underestimate the extent to which it was catastrophic for Germany. Russia had it and Germany didn’t. And of course — it was fought on the Eastern Front and paid for in Russian blood. But oil was so 20th century. Would the US design a foreign policy around the ‘strategic’ asset of coal?

    The point is that a commodity based view of global hegemony is old and wrong. US has been an ‘agricultural’ superpower for a century. And now we have made Russia the grain basket of the world. And now oil is effectively just another commodity. Time to get with it.

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  65. Zenarchy says:
    @Mr. Hack
    For a guy that claims to 'only be interested in the facts' this 'great' investigative reporter sure likes to serve up a crock of BS for his main course. While trying to make a case that the DNC was solely responsible for installing Yanukovych's replacement, the video clip shows Nuland making a phone call to somebody (?) announcing that her choice was Vitali Klitschko...oops, how did Victor Poroshenko end up running the show, and not Klitschko? Looks like this sinister Soros plot unraveled here a wee bit. Also, while trying to besmearch the good name of John McCain, he's shown on a stage with a supposed notorious 'anti-Semite'. But look, who's that third person on the stage with both McCain and Tyahnibok? Why it's Arseni Yatseniuk, a Ukrainian-Jew, of all people! What's this Ukrainian Jew doing on stage with this great anti-Semite? Maybe he's an anti-Semite too??...

    Yats is not a Jew and even Ukraine’s chief rabbi has said so.
    Have you even looked at him? There may be blonde and blue-eyed Jews etc, but this guy has zero Jewish features.

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  66. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Andrei Martyanov

    The American electorate has, for 50 years, consistently elected “representatives” who, without fail, proceeded to take actions to devastate the American economy while enriching themselves and their grotesquely-corrupt monetary “supporters”.
     
    True to a large degree. Yet:

    With that in mind, why on earth would Russia seek to interfere in a US election? America is rapidly destroying itself — no interference is necessary.
     
    You could be really stunned if you think that Russia seeks destruction of the US and once real Russia's intentions are understood. This is not to speak of consequences of the US imploding--they will be global and could be simply catastrophic for all. US is a nuclear superpower and is still a crucial player in global economy. Russia sure as hell is interested in saner and, in a good geopolitical sense, national interests' defending US--but those interests certainly can not be "global" in neocon "interpretation". In the end, during campaigning Trump was saying very many right words and those words have been prepared for him by very powerful people, which testifies to the fact of some powerful forces inside US who do understand the new game. We all are currently at the point of no return, we are still balancing on it, whether we will cross into the "pass the point of NR" is yet to be seen. But US power is declining both in relative and absolute terms and this process is objective.

    You could be really stunned if you think that Russia seeks destruction of the US and once real Russia’s intentions are understood. This is not to speak of consequences of the US imploding–they will be global and could be simply catastrophic for all.

    In my opinion, it follows that both Russia and China need the USA for economic reasons — markets, currency standard, stabilizing effect of military, etc. More correctly, they need something like the USA, so the USA serves the purpose for the meanwhile. The US is collapsing from decay, where China is on a growth spurt of yet undetermined duration, Russia on a rebirth cycle following collapse that did not destroy it.

    All interesting factors. I will say I do not believe the US can engender rebirth, and its collapse will be properly calamitous. We shall see.

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    In case of USA collapse the most important question is what happens with nukes and everything related.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    In my opinion, it follows that both Russia and China need the USA for economic reasons — markets, currency standard, stabilizing effect of military, etc.
     
    Secret to China's economic miracle are precisely these very American markets, which were opened to Chinese-made goods. Russia is far-far less, on several orders of magnitude, less dependent on US markets than China, hence Russia has much bigger room for maneuver. But in the rest, you are correct--US is too important to global economic balance, even despite being so damaging to it, to think that possible collapse could be contained. It could not be contained completely. Some sort of accommodation has to be found. What sort? I am not competent enough to be very specific, plus we will have to go into military-political aspect of that issue.
  67. RUSSIA INC. Summarising three recent authorities, Wikipedia says Canada’s GDP is greater than Russia’s and Germany’s is about two and a half times greater. There’s something deeply misleading and, in fact, quite worthless about these GDP comparisons. Russia has a full-service space industry including the only other operating global satellite navigation system. Neither Canada nor Germany does. It has an across the board sophisticated military industry which may be the world leader in electronic warfare, air defence systems, silent submarines and armoured vehicles. Neither Canada nor Germany does. It has a developed nuclear power industry with a wide range of products. Ditto. It builds and maintains a fleet of SSBNs – some of the most complicated machinery that exists. Ditto. Its aviation industry makes everything from competitive fighter planes through innovative helicopters to passenger aircraft. Ditto. It has a full automotive industry ranging from some of the world’s most powerful heavy trucks to ordinary passenger cars. It has all the engineering and technical capacity necessary to build complex bridges, dams, roads, railways, subway stations, power stations, hospitals and everything else. It is a major and growing food producer and is probably self-sufficient in food today. Its food export capacity is growing and it has for several years been the leading wheat exporter. It has enormous energy reserves and is a leading exporter of oil and gas. Its pharmaceutical industry is growing rapidly. It is intellectually highly competitive in STEM disciplines – a world leader in some cases. Its computer programmers are widely respected. (Yes, there is a Russian cell phone.) It’s true that many projects involve Western partners – the Sukhoy Superjet for example – but it’s nonetheless the case that the manufacturing and know-how is now in Russia. Germany or Canada has some of these capabilities but few – very few – countries have all of them. In fact, counting the EU as one, Russia is one of only four. Therefore in Russia’s case, GDP rankings are not only meaningless, but laughably so. While Russians individually are not as wealthy as Canadians or Germans, the foundations of wealth are being laid and deepened every day in Russia. What of the future? Well there’s a simple answer to that question – compare Russia in 2000 with Russia in 2017: all curves are up. Of course Russians support their government – why wouldn’t they? It’s doing what they hired it to do; we others can only dream of such governments. For what it’s worth, PwC predicts Russia will be first in Europe in 2050, but, even so, I think it misses the real point: Indonesia and Brazil ahead of Russia? No way: it’s not GDP/PPP that matters, it’s full service. Russia is a full-service power and it won’t become any less so in the next 30 years. Autarky. Very few aren’t there? And… in that little group of four autarkies on the planet, who’s going up and who’s going down? A big – fatal even – mistake to count Russia out.

    https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2017/02/09/russian-federation-sitrep-9-february-2017/

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    A very potent and astute piece of analysis - kudos to you, sir.

    Now why don't the great economists in their ivory towers get these common sense things right? An economy making everything from A to Z is way different from an economy based on wines, cheese, and chocolates. A wild thought: Perhaps common sense should be made a compulsory part of many curriculums. Yes, no?
    , @Anonymous

    PARAGRAPHS, dammitall man, PARAGRAPHS!!!!
     
    , @Apolonius
    Just to add one personal observation. I know Russia very well, lived there for 12 years, last time in 1991. Then I visited Russia several times until 2006 - improvement was visible, but nothing prepared me to the Russsia 2017! Even people on the street changed - to the positive. As to buildings, stores, it is incredible, I couldn´t recognize old Russia, everything was new, shining, smart and much better than before. Russians are optimistic, which was impossible in nineties! It was really a shock for me, very nice shock...I don´t know how to express to you this enormous surprise...I never thought such transformation possible....
    So speaking about Russia like about some sick giant is a very stupid thing to do. Today, Russia from the point of view of her citizens is good, and working hard for excellence. I think Western leaders still think about Russia in categories of 90´s, and that is a big mistake. They should understand once for all, that Russia has to be treated as equal, and not messed with, like in Ukraine. If they will not, I think that the Russia will pass from partner, to the Master.
  68. @Verymuchalive
    " A former global enemy that now has an economy the size of Spain or Italy."
    Recent studies indicate that the Russian Economy is now larger than that of Germany. Current Western sanctions, far from harming the Russian economy, have been beneficial in supporting import substitution and diversification.
    It is clear Giraldi doesn't read the work of his fellow columnist, Anatoly Karlin. Giraldi is still stuck in 1995. Time you caught up on your homework, Philip.

    he is using gdp numbers.

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  69. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @chris
    Yeah, it might be illustrative to consider what the entire environmental movement would look like today if it was the Israelis and not the Arabs who owned the oil in the ME.

    It would have few dollars more per gallon and would have been like that since 1950

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    Plus, environmentalists would be persecuted like the BDS movement.
  70. geokat62 says:

    As it turns out, there may not have been any discussion of Hillary, though possibly something having to do with irregularities in DNC fundraising surfaced, and there may have been a bit more about the Magnitsky Act and adopting Russian babies.

    Speaking of the Magnitsky Act, here is some late-breaking news that, if substantiated, will put a completely different spin on the bogus Russia-gate scandal:

    Russian lawyer Veselnitskaya says Magnitsky act lobbyist Browder behind Trump Jr. scandal

    The scandal concerning the meeting between US President Donald Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr, and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya was orchestrated by Magnitsky act lobbyist William Browder, the lawyer told RT in an exclusive interview.

    “I´m ready to clarify the situation behind this mass hysteria – but only through lawyers or testifying in the Senate,” Veselnitskaya told RT.

    “I can only assume that the current situation that has been heated up for ten days or so by now is a a very well-orchestrated story concocted by one particular manipulator – Mr. Browder. He is one of the greatest experts in the field of manipulating mass media,”Veselnitskaya said.

    She went on to say that Browder, who is the founder and CEO of the Hermitage Capital investment company, orchestrated this whole disinformation campaign as revenge for the defeat he suffered in a US court in 2013 from a team of lawyers that included Veselnitskaya.

    “I have absolutely no doubt that this whole information [campaign] is being spun, encouraged and organized by that very man as revenge for the defeat he suffered in court of the Southern State of New York in the ‘Perezvon’ company case,” she said.

    “He wasn’t able to convince the court with his lousy human tragedy that actually never happened, about the fate of a dead man – who he only learnt about after his death.”

    In 2013, Veselnitskaya was one of the lawyers who represented a Cyprus-based holding company Prevezon, owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, in its defense against allegations of money laundering in a court of the Southern State of New York.

    The case was settled with no admission of guilt by Prevezon.

    Veselnitskaya also said she is now concerned for the safety of her family as it’s been revealed that Browder’s team spied on her family’s activities even before her meeting with Trump Jr.

    “It’s been revealed that Mr. Browder and his team have been gathering information about my family,” she told RT, adding, that Browder’s team “found photos of my house and sent them to Kyle Parker… a famous man in the House of Representatives, who worked for Mr Browder for many years – and not for any congressmen or congress as a whole.”

    People working for Browder also shared all her personal details with representatives of the State Department, Veselnitskaya said.

    Browder has a long history of hostility against Russia. In 2013, he was sentenced in absentia to nine years in prison for tax evasion. He was also the boss of the late Russian auditor Sergey Magnitsky.

    According to the 2013 court verdict, Browder together with Magnitsky failed to pay over 552 million rubles in taxes (about US$16 million). The businessman was also found guilty of illegally buying shares in the country’s natural gas monopoly, Gazprom, costing Russia at least 3 billion rubles (US$100 million).

    Magnitsky died in pre-trial custody in 2009. His death led to a strain in Russian-American relations. US authorities eventually imposed sanctions against Russian officials they deemed responsible for the auditor’s death by issuing the so-called Magnitsky list in 2012. Browder also lobbied European states to follow Washington’s lead.

    The Magnitsky Act is a 2012 law that allows the United States to seize assets from a number of alleged Russian human rights abusers, as well as barring them from entering the country. Russia retaliated by prohibiting American families from adopting Russian children.

    https://www.rt.com/news/396728-russian-lawyer-scandal-america/

    For those who may not recall, Phil previously wrote an excellent article on the sordid Magnitsky Act affair here on Unz. IIRC, Browder managed to get Sen. McCain to stand on the floor of the senate and make a sales pitch (with fancy presentation materials) to convince the rest of the senate to vote in favour of passing the Magnitsky Act, which they did. Hopefully, this story will now begin to unravel like a ball of yarn.

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    Thanks, Geo.

    Here's the weekly update on #UNRIG which, due to being attacked last week by Zionist entities in US, has added a second demand - AMERICA FIRST, NOT ISRAEL.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lKlD7NQJds
    Robert Steele Weekly Integrity Update on #UNRIG
    , @Dana Thompson

    "Russia retaliated [against the Magnitsky Act of 2012] by prohibiting American families from adopting Russian children."
     
    If I recall, a major reason for Russia stopping American adoptions was the Newton and Truong case. That is, because American law offers insufficient protection against predation by degenerates. People in other countries are more familiar with the names Newton and Truong than we are, due to the rigorous self-censorship of our press. Any American journalist knows that if he visited that topic he might be Eich'd out of civilized existence, or at least suffer a major change in standard of living.
  71. Client 9 says:

    “Now the irony in all this is that a major producer of relatively dirty oil is being accused of targeting an even dirtier and environmentally destructive energy resource, which is fracking”

    We’ve been Fracking since the early 20th century, there are always risks but overall it is a safe alternative. Time to stop getting our oil from countries who use their wealth to spread terror/sharia, whose only aim is to build a global calipahte.

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    Or you know, transition away from oil entirely. Its not like its toxic or anything......
  72. Erebus says:
    @lavoisier
    If your analysis is correct, and it may well be, then our decline as a superpower will be the result of Jewish hegemony and the traitorous behavior of the cuckservatives.

    A nation hollowed out at its core will die.

    Well, it’s not really an “analysis” as such. If one goes back to the literature of the time, one sees that Triffen’s Dilemma was known to the policy makers, and was hovering overhead in the deliberations leading up to Nixon’s “closing the gold window” in 1971.

    Dollar Hegemony was very attractive because it offered the West the opportunity to do an end run around its military stalemate in its Great Game with the USSR. Though closing the gold window was a policy decision, the attraction was not lost on the captain’s of American industry. They could count on a generation or so of extraordinary profit and scrambled on board.

    It was Dollar Hegemony that underpinned the West’s takedown of the USSR. By loaning the USSR “hard currency” (remember that term?), and then collapsing the prices of the stuff the USSR exported to pay back the loans, the USSR was forced into austerity, and ultimately default.
    That plan is a matter of historical record, so didn’t require any “analysis” on my part either. They tried the same thing again in 2014, but I suspect the Russians were ready for them this time.

    As for the Jewish part, the elite in most countries are “international” in their lifestyle and outlook. Yes, Jews are over-represented there, and are possibly more “international” in outlook than goy elites, but real “Jewish hegemony” comes later with the rise of the Financial State. Having laid out the ground work in the ’90s with the repeal of Glass-Steagal etc, it really takes off at the time of 9/11, which coincided with the 2nd shoe dropping on the American economy. Namely, China’s ascendance to the WTO and gaining Most Favoured Nation status.

    To make Dollar Hegemony work, you need a powerful, and effective military. They got the “powerful” part, in the sense that the USM is really good at blowing stuff up, but they muffed the “effective”, and so here we are.

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  73. Cortes says:
    @chris
    I knew right away that that whole golden shower story was fake because on the margins this charge had been made about Hitler also over the years.

    Seems to be the standard smear against nazis, #7 in the ol' lexicon.

    Chris, if memory serves, Norman Davies (in his selection of key moments and people “Europe” – a door stopper of a book) went much further in describing the sexual pathology of Hitler. I may be mistaken (won’t be the first or only time) so don’t sue me. Check out the relevant section of the book.
    Here, dealing with President Trump, the effort appears to me to be defamatory and consistent with the seeming ongoing campaign to destabilise his presidency by actors known and unknown.

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  74. @Flavius
    Both as a veteran and as a former cold warrior, I must say that I feel betrayed by the myopia, historical ignorance, incompetence, hubris, recklessness, sheer nuttiness of the Washington establishment's conduct towards Russia over the past 20 years - bipartisan insanity. When one thinks it can't get worse, it gets worse; or as the circa 70s Soviet saying went, things are worse today than yesterday, but better than tomorrow.
    Economic numbers are relevant but ultimately beside the point when calculating one's national interest in the context of the world's major political and nuclear powers and history's most blood soaked century.
    Kudos to people like Phil Giraldi, Ray McGovern, and Patrick Buchanan who demonstrate regularly that at least some who were there as witnesses of what was retain the good judgment to recognize the road the damn DC fools ever more insistently are taking us down; and I would add for no good reason at all, but purely out of habit and for having something to do.

    “DC fools ever more insistently are taking us down; and I would add for no good reason at all, but purely out of habit and for having something to do.”

    I can’t agree with that. I would say that total global control is the ultimate motivation.

    America’s role is to be the persuader and enforcer until such time as relative parity is achieved and then America can be reduced to little more than a struggling entity that can be slotted in amongst the other competing economic zones (all controlled by the same interests) in a competitive race to the bottom scenario.

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  75. @alternatereality

    OH thank you Jesus!
     
    The lord gives and the lord takes ---

    Russian immigrants leaving Israel, discouraged by conversion woes...
    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.623745



    Apr 14, 2017 Putin's Aliyah: Russian Jews leave Israel – Middle East Monitor
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170414-russian-jews-leave-israel/

    (This may be one of the primary reasons for the ongoing demonization of Russia: One of zionism's foremost goals was the in-gathering of the diaspora. In the past zionists have destabilised states where Jews dwelt -- peacefully and securely -- in order to frighten Jews into leaving. If the Jews who left Russia in the 1980s are now returning, or are not integrating successfully in Israel, then similar tactics will likely be deployed.)
    ... Putin's Aliyah: Russian Jews leave Israel ... According to Rozovsky, the post- 2000 immigrants, especially those who arrived following the failed ...



    May 10, 2017 ... Some 17 per cent of the Jewish immigrants who came to Israel from the former Soviet Union in the early 1990s have since left, official data by ...

    25 years later, Russian speakers still the 'other' in Israel,...
    www.timesofisrael.com/25-years-later-russian-speakers-still-...

    Sep 1, 2016 ... “The majority of native-born Israelis think Russian Israelis are not Jews,” said Svetlova. .... were forced to give up their citizenship and pension upon leaving.

    I would think that most are emigrating to the US, no?

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  76. Gg Mo says:
    @alternatereality

    OH thank you Jesus!
     
    The lord gives and the lord takes ---

    Russian immigrants leaving Israel, discouraged by conversion woes...
    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.623745



    Apr 14, 2017 Putin's Aliyah: Russian Jews leave Israel – Middle East Monitor
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170414-russian-jews-leave-israel/

    (This may be one of the primary reasons for the ongoing demonization of Russia: One of zionism's foremost goals was the in-gathering of the diaspora. In the past zionists have destabilised states where Jews dwelt -- peacefully and securely -- in order to frighten Jews into leaving. If the Jews who left Russia in the 1980s are now returning, or are not integrating successfully in Israel, then similar tactics will likely be deployed.)
    ... Putin's Aliyah: Russian Jews leave Israel ... According to Rozovsky, the post- 2000 immigrants, especially those who arrived following the failed ...



    May 10, 2017 ... Some 17 per cent of the Jewish immigrants who came to Israel from the former Soviet Union in the early 1990s have since left, official data by ...

    25 years later, Russian speakers still the 'other' in Israel,...
    www.timesofisrael.com/25-years-later-russian-speakers-still-...

    Sep 1, 2016 ... “The majority of native-born Israelis think Russian Israelis are not Jews,” said Svetlova. .... were forced to give up their citizenship and pension upon leaving.

    Alternative Reality Indeed.

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  77. yeah says:
    @Patrick Armstrong
    RUSSIA INC. Summarising three recent authorities, Wikipedia says Canada’s GDP is greater than Russia’s and Germany’s is about two and a half times greater. There’s something deeply misleading and, in fact, quite worthless about these GDP comparisons. Russia has a full-service space industry including the only other operating global satellite navigation system. Neither Canada nor Germany does. It has an across the board sophisticated military industry which may be the world leader in electronic warfare, air defence systems, silent submarines and armoured vehicles. Neither Canada nor Germany does. It has a developed nuclear power industry with a wide range of products. Ditto. It builds and maintains a fleet of SSBNs – some of the most complicated machinery that exists. Ditto. Its aviation industry makes everything from competitive fighter planes through innovative helicopters to passenger aircraft. Ditto. It has a full automotive industry ranging from some of the world’s most powerful heavy trucks to ordinary passenger cars. It has all the engineering and technical capacity necessary to build complex bridges, dams, roads, railways, subway stations, power stations, hospitals and everything else. It is a major and growing food producer and is probably self-sufficient in food today. Its food export capacity is growing and it has for several years been the leading wheat exporter. It has enormous energy reserves and is a leading exporter of oil and gas. Its pharmaceutical industry is growing rapidly. It is intellectually highly competitive in STEM disciplines – a world leader in some cases. Its computer programmers are widely respected. (Yes, there is a Russian cell phone.) It’s true that many projects involve Western partners – the Sukhoy Superjet for example – but it’s nonetheless the case that the manufacturing and know-how is now in Russia. Germany or Canada has some of these capabilities but few – very few – countries have all of them. In fact, counting the EU as one, Russia is one of only four. Therefore in Russia’s case, GDP rankings are not only meaningless, but laughably so. While Russians individually are not as wealthy as Canadians or Germans, the foundations of wealth are being laid and deepened every day in Russia. What of the future? Well there’s a simple answer to that question – compare Russia in 2000 with Russia in 2017: all curves are up. Of course Russians support their government – why wouldn’t they? It’s doing what they hired it to do; we others can only dream of such governments. For what it’s worth, PwC predicts Russia will be first in Europe in 2050, but, even so, I think it misses the real point: Indonesia and Brazil ahead of Russia? No way: it’s not GDP/PPP that matters, it’s full service. Russia is a full-service power and it won’t become any less so in the next 30 years. Autarky. Very few aren’t there? And… in that little group of four autarkies on the planet, who’s going up and who’s going down? A big – fatal even – mistake to count Russia out.

    https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2017/02/09/russian-federation-sitrep-9-february-2017/

    A very potent and astute piece of analysis – kudos to you, sir.

    Now why don’t the great economists in their ivory towers get these common sense things right? An economy making everything from A to Z is way different from an economy based on wines, cheese, and chocolates. A wild thought: Perhaps common sense should be made a compulsory part of many curriculums. Yes, no?

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  78. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    As it turns out, there may not have been any discussion of Hillary, though possibly something having to do with irregularities in DNC fundraising surfaced, and there may have been a bit more about the Magnitsky Act and adopting Russian babies.
     
    Speaking of the Magnitsky Act, here is some late-breaking news that, if substantiated, will put a completely different spin on the bogus Russia-gate scandal:

    Russian lawyer Veselnitskaya says Magnitsky act lobbyist Browder behind Trump Jr. scandal

    The scandal concerning the meeting between US President Donald Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr, and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya was orchestrated by Magnitsky act lobbyist William Browder, the lawyer told RT in an exclusive interview.

    "I´m ready to clarify the situation behind this mass hysteria – but only through lawyers or testifying in the Senate," Veselnitskaya told RT.

    “I can only assume that the current situation that has been heated up for ten days or so by now is a a very well-orchestrated story concocted by one particular manipulator – Mr. Browder. He is one of the greatest experts in the field of manipulating mass media,”Veselnitskaya said.

    She went on to say that Browder, who is the founder and CEO of the Hermitage Capital investment company, orchestrated this whole disinformation campaign as revenge for the defeat he suffered in a US court in 2013 from a team of lawyers that included Veselnitskaya.

    “I have absolutely no doubt that this whole information [campaign] is being spun, encouraged and organized by that very man as revenge for the defeat he suffered in court of the Southern State of New York in the ‘Perezvon’ company case,” she said.

    "He wasn't able to convince the court with his lousy human tragedy that actually never happened, about the fate of a dead man - who he only learnt about after his death."

    In 2013, Veselnitskaya was one of the lawyers who represented a Cyprus-based holding company Prevezon, owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, in its defense against allegations of money laundering in a court of the Southern State of New York.

    The case was settled with no admission of guilt by Prevezon.

    Veselnitskaya also said she is now concerned for the safety of her family as it's been revealed that Browder’s team spied on her family's activities even before her meeting with Trump Jr.

    “It’s been revealed that Mr. Browder and his team have been gathering information about my family,” she told RT, adding, that Browder’s team “found photos of my house and sent them to Kyle Parker… a famous man in the House of Representatives, who worked for Mr Browder for many years – and not for any congressmen or congress as a whole.”

    People working for Browder also shared all her personal details with representatives of the State Department, Veselnitskaya said.

    Browder has a long history of hostility against Russia. In 2013, he was sentenced in absentia to nine years in prison for tax evasion. He was also the boss of the late Russian auditor Sergey Magnitsky.

    According to the 2013 court verdict, Browder together with Magnitsky failed to pay over 552 million rubles in taxes (about US$16 million). The businessman was also found guilty of illegally buying shares in the country’s natural gas monopoly, Gazprom, costing Russia at least 3 billion rubles (US$100 million).

    Magnitsky died in pre-trial custody in 2009. His death led to a strain in Russian-American relations. US authorities eventually imposed sanctions against Russian officials they deemed responsible for the auditor’s death by issuing the so-called Magnitsky list in 2012. Browder also lobbied European states to follow Washington’s lead.

    The Magnitsky Act is a 2012 law that allows the United States to seize assets from a number of alleged Russian human rights abusers, as well as barring them from entering the country. Russia retaliated by prohibiting American families from adopting Russian children.

    https://www.rt.com/news/396728-russian-lawyer-scandal-america/
     
    For those who may not recall, Phil previously wrote an excellent article on the sordid Magnitsky Act affair here on Unz. IIRC, Browder managed to get Sen. McCain to stand on the floor of the senate and make a sales pitch (with fancy presentation materials) to convince the rest of the senate to vote in favour of passing the Magnitsky Act, which they did. Hopefully, this story will now begin to unravel like a ball of yarn.

    Thanks, Geo.

    Here’s the weekly update on #UNRIG which, due to being attacked last week by Zionist entities in US, has added a second demand – AMERICA FIRST, NOT ISRAEL.

    Robert Steele Weekly Integrity Update on #UNRIG

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  79. MarkinPNW says:
    @Rurik

    How about punishing Russia for what it has done and is doing in Ukraine? Everything Putin has done there is totally illegal under international law and the “evidence” is already there.
     
    you must be from the Kagan family of war pigs

    Victoria Nuland (Nudelman), and her corpulent husband Robert Kagan

    the waddling blob of lard Frederick Kagan and his war sow wife Kimberly Kagan

    which one are you?

    http://il6.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/11730821/thumb/1.jpg

    Rurik, shame on you for insulting pigs!

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    mea culpa

    those pigs are actually very beautiful, and they have my apology for comparing them to the Kagans
  80. Mokiki says:

    Why do you embrace the watermelon position that fracking is “dirty”??

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  81. RobinG says:
    @Mr. Hack
    For a guy that claims to 'only be interested in the facts' this 'great' investigative reporter sure likes to serve up a crock of BS for his main course. While trying to make a case that the DNC was solely responsible for installing Yanukovych's replacement, the video clip shows Nuland making a phone call to somebody (?) announcing that her choice was Vitali Klitschko...oops, how did Victor Poroshenko end up running the show, and not Klitschko? Looks like this sinister Soros plot unraveled here a wee bit. Also, while trying to besmearch the good name of John McCain, he's shown on a stage with a supposed notorious 'anti-Semite'. But look, who's that third person on the stage with both McCain and Tyahnibok? Why it's Arseni Yatseniuk, a Ukrainian-Jew, of all people! What's this Ukrainian Jew doing on stage with this great anti-Semite? Maybe he's an anti-Semite too??...

    Where to begin? How about the notion that John McCain has a good name to besmirch. (“Besmearch” sounds a bit like something a James Bond villain would do, no?)

    Next, why the pretense? Everyone knows that Fuktoria was speaking with U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Ross Pyatt. From Wikipedia,

    “In their phone conversation, Nuland and Pyatt discussed who should be in the government after Viktor Yanukovych’s ouster and in what ways they might achieve that transition, with the name of Arseniy Yatsenyuk (whom Nuland refers to as “Yats”) coming up several times. Specifically, the two spoke about which opposition leaders they would like to see in government, what pitches they would give each opposition leader in subsequent calls to achieve this, and strategies on how they would try to manage the ‘personality problems’ and conflicts between the different opposition leaders with ambitions to become president.[15][16] Yatsenyuk became prime minister of Ukraine on February 27, 2014″

    So, as you see, their man Yats did become prime minister. Porky, the chocolate king, subsequently became president. Maybe your hearing is bad: they ruled out Klitch from the top positions.

    Ya, that’s the irony, that the Nudelwoman took power by unleashing a bunch of Banderites and neo-nazis. Pretty funny, huh? BTW, are you sure Mr. Hack isn’t really Mr. Hasbara?

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    So, as you see, their man Yats did become prime minister.
     
    Yes, and millions of US citizens who voted in the last elections had their choice for president validated too. Were they all involved in some nefarious, covert act too? I replayed the video clip, and while the 'great reporter' talks about Nuland's favorite for the top Ukrainian post, photos of Klitschko were being transferred over the viewing screen. Still, it was Poroshenko and not Yatseniuk that filled the top post. In fact, Poroshenko's name was never mentioned in the nefarious phone call??...BTW, Poroshenko was elected president by way of a monitored and free election several months after the events on the Maidan had settled down.

    For the record then, since you so cavalierly throw around the terms 'Banderites' and 'neo-Nazis', just who exactly do both Yatseniuk and Porosheno represent in your sophisticated view of contemporary Ukrainian political persuasions? Or are both of them both 'Banderites' and 'neo-Nazis?

  82. @Anonymous

    You could be really stunned if you think that Russia seeks destruction of the US and once real Russia’s intentions are understood. This is not to speak of consequences of the US imploding–they will be global and could be simply catastrophic for all.
     
    In my opinion, it follows that both Russia and China need the USA for economic reasons -- markets, currency standard, stabilizing effect of military, etc. More correctly, they need something like the USA, so the USA serves the purpose for the meanwhile. The US is collapsing from decay, where China is on a growth spurt of yet undetermined duration, Russia on a rebirth cycle following collapse that did not destroy it.

    All interesting factors. I will say I do not believe the US can engender rebirth, and its collapse will be properly calamitous. We shall see.

    In case of USA collapse the most important question is what happens with nukes and everything related.

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  83. Mr. Hack says:
    @RobinG
    Where to begin? How about the notion that John McCain has a good name to besmirch. ("Besmearch" sounds a bit like something a James Bond villain would do, no?)

    Next, why the pretense? Everyone knows that Fuktoria was speaking with U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Ross Pyatt. From Wikipedia,

    "In their phone conversation, Nuland and Pyatt discussed who should be in the government after Viktor Yanukovych's ouster and in what ways they might achieve that transition, with the name of Arseniy Yatsenyuk (whom Nuland refers to as "Yats") coming up several times. Specifically, the two spoke about which opposition leaders they would like to see in government, what pitches they would give each opposition leader in subsequent calls to achieve this, and strategies on how they would try to manage the 'personality problems' and conflicts between the different opposition leaders with ambitions to become president.[15][16] Yatsenyuk became prime minister of Ukraine on February 27, 2014"
     
    So, as you see, their man Yats did become prime minister. Porky, the chocolate king, subsequently became president. Maybe your hearing is bad: they ruled out Klitch from the top positions.

    Ya, that's the irony, that the Nudelwoman took power by unleashing a bunch of Banderites and neo-nazis. Pretty funny, huh? BTW, are you sure Mr. Hack isn't really Mr. Hasbara?

    So, as you see, their man Yats did become prime minister.

    Yes, and millions of US citizens who voted in the last elections had their choice for president validated too. Were they all involved in some nefarious, covert act too? I replayed the video clip, and while the ‘great reporter’ talks about Nuland’s favorite for the top Ukrainian post, photos of Klitschko were being transferred over the viewing screen. Still, it was Poroshenko and not Yatseniuk that filled the top post. In fact, Poroshenko’s name was never mentioned in the nefarious phone call??…BTW, Poroshenko was elected president by way of a monitored and free election several months after the events on the Maidan had settled down.

    For the record then, since you so cavalierly throw around the terms ‘Banderites’ and ‘neo-Nazis’, just who exactly do both Yatseniuk and Porosheno represent in your sophisticated view of contemporary Ukrainian political persuasions? Or are both of them both ‘Banderites’ and ‘neo-Nazis?

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    {For the record then, since you so cavalierly throw around the terms ‘Banderites’ and ‘neo-Nazis’, just who exactly do both Yatseniuk and Porosheno represent in your sophisticated view of contemporary Ukrainian political persuasions? Or are both of them both ‘Banderites’ and ‘neo-Nazis?}

    Don't know about Porkyshenko, but The Yats is a neo-Nazi*: scroll down and take a gander of The Yats giving the traditional greeting to his Nazi Master, Adolf. (right after Oleh Tyahnybok).

    Heil Hitler!
    Sieg Heil!

    ______________
    *
    https://off-guardian.org/2016/11/05/ukraine-fascisms-toe-hold-in-europe/
    , @annamaria
    Why are you going on a childish offensive by defending the US-installed junta in Kiev and demanding others to provide you with evidence that the neo-nazis and Banderites have nothing to do with Yatz and Poroshenko and Nuland-Kagan?
    Google "neo-Nazi parades in Ukraine" and enjoy the show. If you still have doubts about the direct responsibility of Poroschenko for the neo-Nazi presence in the government of Ukraine, read about Pravyj sector and its role in the Maidan revolution. Also, Proschenko had been in contact with the State Dept for years before the Maidan revolution. Your take on this?
    The main point is the US-orchestrated regime change in Kiev. Or you want to convince the UNZ reader that Nuland was a virtual reality and nothing has changed in Ukraine since Mrs. Nuland-Kagan' and Mr. Brennan's visit to Kiev? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-14/white-house-admits-cia-director-brennan-was-secretly-kiev?page=7
    Do you realize that the US has brought a range of US officials to Kiev - including the Director of the CIA - to "improve" a democratic process there by removing a lawfully elected and acting president?
    Yes, the US intervention has brought neo-Nazis and Banderites to the positions of influence in Ukraine. What could be more natural than a combination of the name "Kagan" and the word "neo-Nazis?" https://consortiumnews.com/2015/03/20/a-family-business-of-perpetual-war/
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/15/the-kagans-are-back-wars-to-follow/
    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31887-the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made
  84. Avery says:
    @Mr. Hack

    So, as you see, their man Yats did become prime minister.
     
    Yes, and millions of US citizens who voted in the last elections had their choice for president validated too. Were they all involved in some nefarious, covert act too? I replayed the video clip, and while the 'great reporter' talks about Nuland's favorite for the top Ukrainian post, photos of Klitschko were being transferred over the viewing screen. Still, it was Poroshenko and not Yatseniuk that filled the top post. In fact, Poroshenko's name was never mentioned in the nefarious phone call??...BTW, Poroshenko was elected president by way of a monitored and free election several months after the events on the Maidan had settled down.

    For the record then, since you so cavalierly throw around the terms 'Banderites' and 'neo-Nazis', just who exactly do both Yatseniuk and Porosheno represent in your sophisticated view of contemporary Ukrainian political persuasions? Or are both of them both 'Banderites' and 'neo-Nazis?

    {For the record then, since you so cavalierly throw around the terms ‘Banderites’ and ‘neo-Nazis’, just who exactly do both Yatseniuk and Porosheno represent in your sophisticated view of contemporary Ukrainian political persuasions? Or are both of them both ‘Banderites’ and ‘neo-Nazis?}

    Don’t know about Porkyshenko, but The Yats is a neo-Nazi*: scroll down and take a gander of The Yats giving the traditional greeting to his Nazi Master, Adolf. (right after Oleh Tyahnybok).

    Heil Hitler!
    Sieg Heil!

    ______________
    *

    https://off-guardian.org/2016/11/05/ukraine-fascisms-toe-hold-in-europe/

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    Arseniy Yatsenyuk [center], former PM of Ukraine, also NOT performing a Nazi slaute.
     
    I take this quote directly from underneath the photo in the article that you cite. Not an expert on correct 'Nazi salutes' I'll defer to the author of this photo for his knowledge on this matter. Yatseniuk, may have showed some solidarity with rightists like Tyahnybok during the Maidan period, but he's never been known for any far right viewpoints or belonging to any far right political parties, and indeed has been referred to as a Jew on many occasions. I don't know for a fact whether or not he's Jewish, not having taken a part in either his Christian baptism, nor his Jewish Bar Mitzvah.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/fearful-of-anti-semitism-22-of-european-jews-hide-identity/

  85. Rurik says: • Website
    @MarkinPNW
    Rurik, shame on you for insulting pigs!

    mea culpa

    those pigs are actually very beautiful, and they have my apology for comparing them to the Kagans

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  86. Phil,
    What’s your beef with hydraulic fracturing?

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    http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/011915/what-are-effects-fracking-environment.asp?lgl=rira-baseline-vertical

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_hydraulic_fracturing_in_the_United_States

    , @Dana Thompson
    Fracking is an enormous boon to humanity, because of the way it alleviates the burden of poverty by reducing fuel costs. The difference between a $150 and a $300/month wintertime home heating bill means very little to me, but for the elderly poor trying to get by on $700/month social security, it could make an enormous difference in quality of life. And, cheaper polymer precursors lower the cost of all kinds of consumer products. My complaint is with the profligate rate at which we are using up our mineral wealth. What's the big hurry to beggar our posterity? Wouldn't we rather beggar Saudi Arabia's posterity first? It's madness to run baseload power plants on natural gas, the highest grade of fuel, that should go instead to domestic furnaces, clothes dryers and kitchen ranges. Meanwhile, coal combustion has been priced out of the market by envirohysteria. Our great-grandchildren will resent the fact that the era of cheap natural gas is as dead as the passenger pigeon, but screw-em - what has our posterity ever done for us, anyway?
  87. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “One of the latest claims is that Moscow has been covertly funding some environmental groups, most particularly those opposed to the use of fracking technologies.”

    And Russian environmental critics of Putin, such as Evgueniya Chirikova and Nadezdha Kutepova, are notoriously sponsored by organizations linked to the US government. The moral outrage of the American establishment is totally hypocritical. Anything is right or wrong just when it serves the interests of the American establishment.

    In fact, much of the Russian opposition is financed by Washington, but this has never generated any tearing of the Yankee mainstream media.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/russian-opposition-caught-filing-into-us-embassy-in-moscow/30717

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  88. @Philip Giraldi
    This analysis comes from the World Economic Forum. Russia's economy is slightly bigger than Spain's and smaller than that of Italy. It is far smaller than that of Germany and is dwarfed by the US.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/worlds-biggest-economies-in-2017/

    As a rule of thumb, nominal GDP is a superior proxy of financial strength, while PPP-adjusted GDP is better as a proxy of industrial, inc. military-industrial potential (and of real living standards in its per capita format).

    In the former domain, Russia is indeed a minnor; in the latter domain, it is indeed comparable to Germany.

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    As a rule of thumb, nominal GDP is a superior proxy of financial strength, while PPP-adjusted GDP is better as a proxy of industrial, inc. military-industrial potential (and of real living standards in its per capita format).
     
    Somewhat true. But while PPP is, indeed, "better" it is still highly inaccurate, and I mean highly. Reason being the "adjustment" itself, which changes dramatically across the whole spectrum of real (that is productive) economy plus calculation of costs in general--e.g. US healthcare system. While highly developed and world-class (most of the time), its "cost calculations" (through "charge masters") is ridiculous but it is this number (horrendously inflated) which goes in as part of US GDP. But here is an example which anyone will understand, since unlike financial transactions, it is an essential and extremely important service, that is healthcare. My mother just recently, in Moscow nonetheless, literally built all her teeth anew--she has now literally a new mouth. She paid 130 000 Rubles. World class dentist, excellent equipment, great service, implants etc--whole 9 yards. Now, if converted directly to US Dollar it comes up to 2167 USD. What can I do for that here, in US? I know for sure, my good acquaintance dentist offered me a single implant (and I really need it badly) of an upper tooth for a good price of 2 500 USD. Should I do to my teeth (desirable for me) what my mother did--I would end up with 20 000 + bill in the best case scenario. How do we convert that? I looked once at the cost (covered by my insurance, thankfully) of one of my CT scans--2 000 + USD. This is without "reading" it. As you may have guessed it already, the same procedure in Russia will cost much-much less, this is without counting free ones, but you have to wait there for weeks or even months. Here are simple examples of those gigantic discrepancies. Once one gets into real hi-tech manufacturing field, most (not all) Western "economists" will have their brains exploding.
  89. @Sarah Toga
    Phil,
    What's your beef with hydraulic fracturing?
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    Thanks, I read the links. The Investopedia link was kind of thin. The Wiki article has a good outline of topics.
    I agree the issues of water use quantity and recycling used frac water need to be addressed. Places like the Permian Basin are arid. Farmers in PA and OH should not have to compete with energy giants and pay high prices for water.
    I've read that oilfield services companies are devising ways to treat and re-use frac water. That would conserve the H2O and minimize releases of unwanted substances.
    But most of the Wiki article is of a suggestive nature - "there are concerns ... studies should be conducted ..."
    Where Wiki reports conclusions of research, they typically dispel concerns.
    An example from the "Health Effects" section:
    "In 2011 in Garfield County, Colorado, the U.S. Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry collected air samples at 14 sites, including 8 oil and gas sites, 4 urban background sites, and 2 rural background sites. and detected carcinogens such as benzene, tetrachloroethene, and 1–4 dichlorobenzene at all the sites, both oil and gas sites, and background sites. Benzene was detected at 7 out of 8 oil and gas sites, in all 4 urban areas, and one out of the 2 rural background sites. The compound 1,4-dichlorobezene was detected in 3 out of 8 oil and gas sites, 3 out of 4 urban sites, and 1 out of 2 rural background sites. The benzene concentrations at one of the eight oil and gas sites was identified as cause for concern, because although it was within the acceptable range, it was near the upper limit of the range. The report concluded: “With the exception of the Brock site, these risk estimates do not appear to represent a significant theoretical cancer risk at any of the sites, nor does it appear that that the theoretical cancer risk is elevated at oil and gas development sites as compared to urban or rural background sites.”
    Fracing is a heavy industrial process that needs careful supervision. A good thing is the fracing occurs usually a mile or deeper underground, giving quite a safety barrier for mishaps. And the many regulatory agencies (state, federal) already have eyes on the matter.
  90. Mr. Hack says:
    @Avery
    {For the record then, since you so cavalierly throw around the terms ‘Banderites’ and ‘neo-Nazis’, just who exactly do both Yatseniuk and Porosheno represent in your sophisticated view of contemporary Ukrainian political persuasions? Or are both of them both ‘Banderites’ and ‘neo-Nazis?}

    Don't know about Porkyshenko, but The Yats is a neo-Nazi*: scroll down and take a gander of The Yats giving the traditional greeting to his Nazi Master, Adolf. (right after Oleh Tyahnybok).

    Heil Hitler!
    Sieg Heil!

    ______________
    *
    https://off-guardian.org/2016/11/05/ukraine-fascisms-toe-hold-in-europe/

    Arseniy Yatsenyuk [center], former PM of Ukraine, also NOT performing a Nazi slaute.

    I take this quote directly from underneath the photo in the article that you cite. Not an expert on correct ‘Nazi salutes’ I’ll defer to the author of this photo for his knowledge on this matter. Yatseniuk, may have showed some solidarity with rightists like Tyahnybok during the Maidan period, but he’s never been known for any far right viewpoints or belonging to any far right political parties, and indeed has been referred to as a Jew on many occasions. I don’t know for a fact whether or not he’s Jewish, not having taken a part in either his Christian baptism, nor his Jewish Bar Mitzvah.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/fearful-of-anti-semitism-22-of-european-jews-hide-identity/

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  91. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Patrick Armstrong
    RUSSIA INC. Summarising three recent authorities, Wikipedia says Canada’s GDP is greater than Russia’s and Germany’s is about two and a half times greater. There’s something deeply misleading and, in fact, quite worthless about these GDP comparisons. Russia has a full-service space industry including the only other operating global satellite navigation system. Neither Canada nor Germany does. It has an across the board sophisticated military industry which may be the world leader in electronic warfare, air defence systems, silent submarines and armoured vehicles. Neither Canada nor Germany does. It has a developed nuclear power industry with a wide range of products. Ditto. It builds and maintains a fleet of SSBNs – some of the most complicated machinery that exists. Ditto. Its aviation industry makes everything from competitive fighter planes through innovative helicopters to passenger aircraft. Ditto. It has a full automotive industry ranging from some of the world’s most powerful heavy trucks to ordinary passenger cars. It has all the engineering and technical capacity necessary to build complex bridges, dams, roads, railways, subway stations, power stations, hospitals and everything else. It is a major and growing food producer and is probably self-sufficient in food today. Its food export capacity is growing and it has for several years been the leading wheat exporter. It has enormous energy reserves and is a leading exporter of oil and gas. Its pharmaceutical industry is growing rapidly. It is intellectually highly competitive in STEM disciplines – a world leader in some cases. Its computer programmers are widely respected. (Yes, there is a Russian cell phone.) It’s true that many projects involve Western partners – the Sukhoy Superjet for example – but it’s nonetheless the case that the manufacturing and know-how is now in Russia. Germany or Canada has some of these capabilities but few – very few – countries have all of them. In fact, counting the EU as one, Russia is one of only four. Therefore in Russia’s case, GDP rankings are not only meaningless, but laughably so. While Russians individually are not as wealthy as Canadians or Germans, the foundations of wealth are being laid and deepened every day in Russia. What of the future? Well there’s a simple answer to that question – compare Russia in 2000 with Russia in 2017: all curves are up. Of course Russians support their government – why wouldn’t they? It’s doing what they hired it to do; we others can only dream of such governments. For what it’s worth, PwC predicts Russia will be first in Europe in 2050, but, even so, I think it misses the real point: Indonesia and Brazil ahead of Russia? No way: it’s not GDP/PPP that matters, it’s full service. Russia is a full-service power and it won’t become any less so in the next 30 years. Autarky. Very few aren’t there? And… in that little group of four autarkies on the planet, who’s going up and who’s going down? A big – fatal even – mistake to count Russia out.

    https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2017/02/09/russian-federation-sitrep-9-february-2017/

    PARAGRAPHS, dammitall man, PARAGRAPHS!!!!

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  92. @Anatoly Karlin
    As a rule of thumb, nominal GDP is a superior proxy of financial strength, while PPP-adjusted GDP is better as a proxy of industrial, inc. military-industrial potential (and of real living standards in its per capita format).

    In the former domain, Russia is indeed a minnor; in the latter domain, it is indeed comparable to Germany.

    As a rule of thumb, nominal GDP is a superior proxy of financial strength, while PPP-adjusted GDP is better as a proxy of industrial, inc. military-industrial potential (and of real living standards in its per capita format).

    Somewhat true. But while PPP is, indeed, “better” it is still highly inaccurate, and I mean highly. Reason being the “adjustment” itself, which changes dramatically across the whole spectrum of real (that is productive) economy plus calculation of costs in general–e.g. US healthcare system. While highly developed and world-class (most of the time), its “cost calculations” (through “charge masters”) is ridiculous but it is this number (horrendously inflated) which goes in as part of US GDP. But here is an example which anyone will understand, since unlike financial transactions, it is an essential and extremely important service, that is healthcare. My mother just recently, in Moscow nonetheless, literally built all her teeth anew–she has now literally a new mouth. She paid 130 000 Rubles. World class dentist, excellent equipment, great service, implants etc–whole 9 yards. Now, if converted directly to US Dollar it comes up to 2167 USD. What can I do for that here, in US? I know for sure, my good acquaintance dentist offered me a single implant (and I really need it badly) of an upper tooth for a good price of 2 500 USD. Should I do to my teeth (desirable for me) what my mother did–I would end up with 20 000 + bill in the best case scenario. How do we convert that? I looked once at the cost (covered by my insurance, thankfully) of one of my CT scans–2 000 + USD. This is without “reading” it. As you may have guessed it already, the same procedure in Russia will cost much-much less, this is without counting free ones, but you have to wait there for weeks or even months. Here are simple examples of those gigantic discrepancies. Once one gets into real hi-tech manufacturing field, most (not all) Western “economists” will have their brains exploding.

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    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
    Andrei and Anatoly - Thanks for explaining this. I last studied economics in an introductory course taught by Milton Friedman. I came away with a "C" and forgot everything I had learned almost immediately.
  93. @Andrei Martyanov

    As a rule of thumb, nominal GDP is a superior proxy of financial strength, while PPP-adjusted GDP is better as a proxy of industrial, inc. military-industrial potential (and of real living standards in its per capita format).
     
    Somewhat true. But while PPP is, indeed, "better" it is still highly inaccurate, and I mean highly. Reason being the "adjustment" itself, which changes dramatically across the whole spectrum of real (that is productive) economy plus calculation of costs in general--e.g. US healthcare system. While highly developed and world-class (most of the time), its "cost calculations" (through "charge masters") is ridiculous but it is this number (horrendously inflated) which goes in as part of US GDP. But here is an example which anyone will understand, since unlike financial transactions, it is an essential and extremely important service, that is healthcare. My mother just recently, in Moscow nonetheless, literally built all her teeth anew--she has now literally a new mouth. She paid 130 000 Rubles. World class dentist, excellent equipment, great service, implants etc--whole 9 yards. Now, if converted directly to US Dollar it comes up to 2167 USD. What can I do for that here, in US? I know for sure, my good acquaintance dentist offered me a single implant (and I really need it badly) of an upper tooth for a good price of 2 500 USD. Should I do to my teeth (desirable for me) what my mother did--I would end up with 20 000 + bill in the best case scenario. How do we convert that? I looked once at the cost (covered by my insurance, thankfully) of one of my CT scans--2 000 + USD. This is without "reading" it. As you may have guessed it already, the same procedure in Russia will cost much-much less, this is without counting free ones, but you have to wait there for weeks or even months. Here are simple examples of those gigantic discrepancies. Once one gets into real hi-tech manufacturing field, most (not all) Western "economists" will have their brains exploding.

    Andrei and Anatoly – Thanks for explaining this. I last studied economics in an introductory course taught by Milton Friedman. I came away with a “C” and forgot everything I had learned almost immediately.

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov

    I came away with a “C” and forgot everything I had learned almost immediately
     
    Very similar, albeit I scored A ("5") IIRC on my Political Economy Of Capitalism (did less well on the same but of Socialism) in naval academy. But life forced me, eventually, especially against the collapse of the USSR and our lives being thrown in complete disarray (politely speaking), to start review and, eventually, study the subject anew.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    I found this small article to be wonderfully instructive on economics.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1993/12/how-the-world-works/305854/

    I disagree with a lot of my American friends because they cannot conceive the notion that projects designed to benefit all of society are not necessarily evil socialism.

    I believe in affordable healthcare for all and think Trump could achieve this by infusing the VA Hospital system with some extra funds and by using the Cuban healthcare methodology and then offering the service to those in need and charging according to what people can afford to pay. Medical students would be selected purely on merit and would work in the hospital as orderlies, cooks, cleaners whatever while undergoing studies. Post-graduation they would work within the system at a low income for about 10 years to repay their education. Medicines would be produced within the system and any profits from R & D would be ploughed back into the system. Preventative care would also be a feature.

    Private healthcare would remain untouched for those who want it and can afford it. I have it myself.

    It could be done, would cost far less than thought and ALL would benefit except perhaps the greedy and immoral. America would be a better nation for it.
  94. Apolonius says:
    @Michael Kenny
    Back to "no evidence" again! "Let’s punish Russia if it has actually done something wrong". OK. How about punishing Russia for what it has done and is doing in Ukraine? Everything Putin has done there is totally illegal under international law and the "evidence" is already there. Putin doesn't deny it! By the way, from what I gather, talking with representatives of a foreign power with a view to obtaining an advantage is a federal crime and it matters not one whit whether any advantage was actually obtained or even that the "representatives" were faking. In the particular case, DNC "dirt" actually did pop up on the internet. Moreover, one of the lawyer's clients was being prosecuted for money laundering. Trump removed the federal prosecutor and the company was suddenly offered a sweet settlement deal without a guilty plea. That's a long way from "ipso facto"!

    Lets punish Russia? Are you sure that you have big enough punisher?
    How you people get to think and say such a things? Are you not aware that Russia can obliterate USA and western Europe in 30 mins? No anti-rocket system will help, russian missiles can change their trajectory in flight(american don´t ) ! Not adding that to defend against thousands of missiles is virtually impossible. You still writing like you have power over Russia,this is the most stupid thing you can do – but of course , you are an exceptional representative of the exceptional people… You have a donkey for the president, and you blame it on Russia? Whole world is having fun watching this opera..
    As to international law, USA and NATO countries are in the gravest breach of the international law, they have executed illegal war and occupation in Serbia, since 1999.(That is just first of many) Let us first punish that, together with reparations to the attacked nation, and then you can start speaking about “International law”.

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    No anti-rocket system will help
     
    Even a 100% accurate system can be made useless if someone sets the warhead to detonate upon hitting the ground. Hitting a rocket (which is the goal) would only result in a nearby mushroom cloud. That's quite a predicament for the operators and for the host country.
  95. @Philip Giraldi
    Andrei and Anatoly - Thanks for explaining this. I last studied economics in an introductory course taught by Milton Friedman. I came away with a "C" and forgot everything I had learned almost immediately.

    I came away with a “C” and forgot everything I had learned almost immediately

    Very similar, albeit I scored A (“5″) IIRC on my Political Economy Of Capitalism (did less well on the same but of Socialism) in naval academy. But life forced me, eventually, especially against the collapse of the USSR and our lives being thrown in complete disarray (politely speaking), to start review and, eventually, study the subject anew.

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    • Replies: @krollchem
    Coming from a natural resource science background I would argue that GDP is not relevant to a sustainable society. The concept of GDP is based on the mythology of ever increasing growth. This has been debunked by the late Dr. Bartlett many years ago:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqcHG7QUK9k

    What is relevant is a sustainable society that maintains soil quality/fertility, water quality, and does not exceed the human carrying capacity of the land. More recently, the concept of doughnut economics encapsulates this:

    Doughnut Economics – Grab a pencil, draw a doughnut!
    https://theminskys.org/doughnut-economics/

    https://www.kateraworth.com/animations/

    Perhaps Russia can delay civilizational collapse by not following the the Western economic growth trap with the fracking, GMOs, water pollution, etc that is destroying what was once the resource rich land of America.

    ps. Another quibble with GDP or PPP measurements is that it does not adequately measure WEALTH generated from the internal economy. See the automatic earth website for a different economic model.
  96. @Anonymous

    You could be really stunned if you think that Russia seeks destruction of the US and once real Russia’s intentions are understood. This is not to speak of consequences of the US imploding–they will be global and could be simply catastrophic for all.
     
    In my opinion, it follows that both Russia and China need the USA for economic reasons -- markets, currency standard, stabilizing effect of military, etc. More correctly, they need something like the USA, so the USA serves the purpose for the meanwhile. The US is collapsing from decay, where China is on a growth spurt of yet undetermined duration, Russia on a rebirth cycle following collapse that did not destroy it.

    All interesting factors. I will say I do not believe the US can engender rebirth, and its collapse will be properly calamitous. We shall see.

    In my opinion, it follows that both Russia and China need the USA for economic reasons — markets, currency standard, stabilizing effect of military, etc.

    Secret to China’s economic miracle are precisely these very American markets, which were opened to Chinese-made goods. Russia is far-far less, on several orders of magnitude, less dependent on US markets than China, hence Russia has much bigger room for maneuver. But in the rest, you are correct–US is too important to global economic balance, even despite being so damaging to it, to think that possible collapse could be contained. It could not be contained completely. Some sort of accommodation has to be found. What sort? I am not competent enough to be very specific, plus we will have to go into military-political aspect of that issue.

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  97. Apolonius says:
    @Patrick Armstrong
    RUSSIA INC. Summarising three recent authorities, Wikipedia says Canada’s GDP is greater than Russia’s and Germany’s is about two and a half times greater. There’s something deeply misleading and, in fact, quite worthless about these GDP comparisons. Russia has a full-service space industry including the only other operating global satellite navigation system. Neither Canada nor Germany does. It has an across the board sophisticated military industry which may be the world leader in electronic warfare, air defence systems, silent submarines and armoured vehicles. Neither Canada nor Germany does. It has a developed nuclear power industry with a wide range of products. Ditto. It builds and maintains a fleet of SSBNs – some of the most complicated machinery that exists. Ditto. Its aviation industry makes everything from competitive fighter planes through innovative helicopters to passenger aircraft. Ditto. It has a full automotive industry ranging from some of the world’s most powerful heavy trucks to ordinary passenger cars. It has all the engineering and technical capacity necessary to build complex bridges, dams, roads, railways, subway stations, power stations, hospitals and everything else. It is a major and growing food producer and is probably self-sufficient in food today. Its food export capacity is growing and it has for several years been the leading wheat exporter. It has enormous energy reserves and is a leading exporter of oil and gas. Its pharmaceutical industry is growing rapidly. It is intellectually highly competitive in STEM disciplines – a world leader in some cases. Its computer programmers are widely respected. (Yes, there is a Russian cell phone.) It’s true that many projects involve Western partners – the Sukhoy Superjet for example – but it’s nonetheless the case that the manufacturing and know-how is now in Russia. Germany or Canada has some of these capabilities but few – very few – countries have all of them. In fact, counting the EU as one, Russia is one of only four. Therefore in Russia’s case, GDP rankings are not only meaningless, but laughably so. While Russians individually are not as wealthy as Canadians or Germans, the foundations of wealth are being laid and deepened every day in Russia. What of the future? Well there’s a simple answer to that question – compare Russia in 2000 with Russia in 2017: all curves are up. Of course Russians support their government – why wouldn’t they? It’s doing what they hired it to do; we others can only dream of such governments. For what it’s worth, PwC predicts Russia will be first in Europe in 2050, but, even so, I think it misses the real point: Indonesia and Brazil ahead of Russia? No way: it’s not GDP/PPP that matters, it’s full service. Russia is a full-service power and it won’t become any less so in the next 30 years. Autarky. Very few aren’t there? And… in that little group of four autarkies on the planet, who’s going up and who’s going down? A big – fatal even – mistake to count Russia out.

    https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2017/02/09/russian-federation-sitrep-9-february-2017/

    Just to add one personal observation. I know Russia very well, lived there for 12 years, last time in 1991. Then I visited Russia several times until 2006 – improvement was visible, but nothing prepared me to the Russsia 2017! Even people on the street changed – to the positive. As to buildings, stores, it is incredible, I couldn´t recognize old Russia, everything was new, shining, smart and much better than before. Russians are optimistic, which was impossible in nineties! It was really a shock for me, very nice shock…I don´t know how to express to you this enormous surprise…I never thought such transformation possible….
    So speaking about Russia like about some sick giant is a very stupid thing to do. Today, Russia from the point of view of her citizens is good, and working hard for excellence. I think Western leaders still think about Russia in categories of 90´s, and that is a big mistake. They should understand once for all, that Russia has to be treated as equal, and not messed with, like in Ukraine. If they will not, I think that the Russia will pass from partner, to the Master.

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    Today, Russia from the point of view of her citizens is good, and working hard for excellence
     
    Without any jokes, however lighthearted this my statement may appear to you, one of the fields in which Russia's greatness is unsurpassed by the US is the field of... 100% cotton socks. No, I don't mean those white (and warm) cotton socks any COSTCO or department stores sell. No, I am talking about 100% cotton socks of thin and different colors (including of dressy kind) you can by in any Russian department store or Auchan. This is not the case with US anymore. For years now I was either bringing back with me or whenever any of our friends flew to Russia and back--the request is always the same: bring 10-12 pairs of not-white thin 100% cotton socks. I gave up trying to find these socks in US long time ago now, probably circa 2008-09. Including by means of internet. This is really ridiculous in the nation which was known around the world for its superb cotton products from jeans to socks for decades. I am almost forced now to go back to Russia next year to buy socks--jokes aside, a very serious consideration among few others.
    , @Sergey Krieger
    I would love to go and see for myself. However we have no relatives in Moscow but in Ekaterinburg and surrounding and Voronezh/ Lipetsk. Moscow always was my favorite.
  98. @Apolonius
    Just to add one personal observation. I know Russia very well, lived there for 12 years, last time in 1991. Then I visited Russia several times until 2006 - improvement was visible, but nothing prepared me to the Russsia 2017! Even people on the street changed - to the positive. As to buildings, stores, it is incredible, I couldn´t recognize old Russia, everything was new, shining, smart and much better than before. Russians are optimistic, which was impossible in nineties! It was really a shock for me, very nice shock...I don´t know how to express to you this enormous surprise...I never thought such transformation possible....
    So speaking about Russia like about some sick giant is a very stupid thing to do. Today, Russia from the point of view of her citizens is good, and working hard for excellence. I think Western leaders still think about Russia in categories of 90´s, and that is a big mistake. They should understand once for all, that Russia has to be treated as equal, and not messed with, like in Ukraine. If they will not, I think that the Russia will pass from partner, to the Master.

    Today, Russia from the point of view of her citizens is good, and working hard for excellence

    Without any jokes, however lighthearted this my statement may appear to you, one of the fields in which Russia’s greatness is unsurpassed by the US is the field of… 100% cotton socks. No, I don’t mean those white (and warm) cotton socks any COSTCO or department stores sell. No, I am talking about 100% cotton socks of thin and different colors (including of dressy kind) you can by in any Russian department store or Auchan. This is not the case with US anymore. For years now I was either bringing back with me or whenever any of our friends flew to Russia and back–the request is always the same: bring 10-12 pairs of not-white thin 100% cotton socks. I gave up trying to find these socks in US long time ago now, probably circa 2008-09. Including by means of internet. This is really ridiculous in the nation which was known around the world for its superb cotton products from jeans to socks for decades. I am almost forced now to go back to Russia next year to buy socks–jokes aside, a very serious consideration among few others.

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  99. krollchem says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    I came away with a “C” and forgot everything I had learned almost immediately
     
    Very similar, albeit I scored A ("5") IIRC on my Political Economy Of Capitalism (did less well on the same but of Socialism) in naval academy. But life forced me, eventually, especially against the collapse of the USSR and our lives being thrown in complete disarray (politely speaking), to start review and, eventually, study the subject anew.

    Coming from a natural resource science background I would argue that GDP is not relevant to a sustainable society. The concept of GDP is based on the mythology of ever increasing growth. This has been debunked by the late Dr. Bartlett many years ago:

    What is relevant is a sustainable society that maintains soil quality/fertility, water quality, and does not exceed the human carrying capacity of the land. More recently, the concept of doughnut economics encapsulates this:

    Doughnut Economics – Grab a pencil, draw a doughnut!

    https://theminskys.org/doughnut-economics/

    https://www.kateraworth.com/animations/

    Perhaps Russia can delay civilizational collapse by not following the the Western economic growth trap with the fracking, GMOs, water pollution, etc that is destroying what was once the resource rich land of America.

    ps. Another quibble with GDP or PPP measurements is that it does not adequately measure WEALTH generated from the internal economy. See the automatic earth website for a different economic model.

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    • Replies: @RobinG

    "Truly prospects for a dynamic, economically growing Russian real economy today is more positive than at any time in the past two centuries or more. I can’t help but feel it would do our world far more in terms of the good to end with the silly losing wars everywhere and return to building up our nations and civilization. The energy of war is a no-brainer. Building up is exciting as China and increasingly Russia realize."
    F. William Engdahl
     
    A Tale of Two Nations: Russia vs USA Economic Prospects
    https://journal-neo.org/2017/07/19/a-tale-of-two-nations-russia-vs-usa-economic-prospects/
  100. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Apolonius
    Lets punish Russia? Are you sure that you have big enough punisher?
    How you people get to think and say such a things? Are you not aware that Russia can obliterate USA and western Europe in 30 mins? No anti-rocket system will help, russian missiles can change their trajectory in flight(american don´t ) ! Not adding that to defend against thousands of missiles is virtually impossible. You still writing like you have power over Russia,this is the most stupid thing you can do - but of course , you are an exceptional representative of the exceptional people... You have a donkey for the president, and you blame it on Russia? Whole world is having fun watching this opera..
    As to international law, USA and NATO countries are in the gravest breach of the international law, they have executed illegal war and occupation in Serbia, since 1999.(That is just first of many) Let us first punish that, together with reparations to the attacked nation, and then you can start speaking about "International law".

    No anti-rocket system will help

    Even a 100% accurate system can be made useless if someone sets the warhead to detonate upon hitting the ground. Hitting a rocket (which is the goal) would only result in a nearby mushroom cloud. That’s quite a predicament for the operators and for the host country.

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  101. @Verymuchalive
    This was part of the argument I was trying to expose. The Russian economy is grossly undervalued and many people who should know better like Philip Giraldi tend to grossly underestimate its size, range and capabilities.
    By contrast, the American economy is grossly overvalued and its capabilities grossly overestimated. You yourself gave the most absurd example: Facebook is now valued on a parity with Boeing. Purely as an advertising vehicle, which is all it is, Facebook might be worth a couple of hundred million dollars. But no more.
    And the there's Twitter. Never made a profit in its 11 years. $2 billion accumulative deficits. Book worth $11 billion. You couldn't make it up.

    “You couldn’t make it up.”

    Actually, you could. In fact, somebody did.

    Bonjour

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  102. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack

    So, as you see, their man Yats did become prime minister.
     
    Yes, and millions of US citizens who voted in the last elections had their choice for president validated too. Were they all involved in some nefarious, covert act too? I replayed the video clip, and while the 'great reporter' talks about Nuland's favorite for the top Ukrainian post, photos of Klitschko were being transferred over the viewing screen. Still, it was Poroshenko and not Yatseniuk that filled the top post. In fact, Poroshenko's name was never mentioned in the nefarious phone call??...BTW, Poroshenko was elected president by way of a monitored and free election several months after the events on the Maidan had settled down.

    For the record then, since you so cavalierly throw around the terms 'Banderites' and 'neo-Nazis', just who exactly do both Yatseniuk and Porosheno represent in your sophisticated view of contemporary Ukrainian political persuasions? Or are both of them both 'Banderites' and 'neo-Nazis?

    Why are you going on a childish offensive by defending the US-installed junta in Kiev and demanding others to provide you with evidence that the neo-nazis and Banderites have nothing to do with Yatz and Poroshenko and Nuland-Kagan?
    Google “neo-Nazi parades in Ukraine” and enjoy the show. If you still have doubts about the direct responsibility of Poroschenko for the neo-Nazi presence in the government of Ukraine, read about Pravyj sector and its role in the Maidan revolution. Also, Proschenko had been in contact with the State Dept for years before the Maidan revolution. Your take on this?
    The main point is the US-orchestrated regime change in Kiev. Or you want to convince the UNZ reader that Nuland was a virtual reality and nothing has changed in Ukraine since Mrs. Nuland-Kagan’ and Mr. Brennan’s visit to Kiev? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-14/white-house-admits-cia-director-brennan-was-secretly-kiev?page=7
    Do you realize that the US has brought a range of US officials to Kiev – including the Director of the CIA – to “improve” a democratic process there by removing a lawfully elected and acting president?
    Yes, the US intervention has brought neo-Nazis and Banderites to the positions of influence in Ukraine. What could be more natural than a combination of the name “Kagan” and the word “neo-Nazis?” https://consortiumnews.com/2015/03/20/a-family-business-of-perpetual-war/

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/15/the-kagans-are-back-wars-to-follow/

    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31887-the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made

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    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    I'm curious why those of your persuasion aren't at all rattled by Russia's blatant attempts to unduly influence events in Ukraine during the Maidan period:

    According to government documents released by former Deputy Interior Minister Hennadiy Moskal, Russian officials served as advisers to the operations against protesters. Codenamed "Wave" and "Boomerang", the operations involved the use of snipers to disperse crowds and capture the protesters' headquarters in the House of Trade Unions. Before some police officers defected, the plans included the deployment of 22,000 combined security troops in Kiev.[84] According to the documents, the former first deputy of the Russian GRU stayed at the Kiev Hotel, played a major role in the preparations, and was paid by the Security Services of Ukraine.. agents had been stationed in Kiev throughout the Euromaidan protests, had been provided with "state telecommunications" while residing at an SBU compound, and had kept in regular contact with Ukrainian security officials. "We have substantiated grounds to consider that these very groups which were located at an SBU training ground took part in the planning and execution of activities of this so-called antiterrorist operation.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_revolution
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    • Replies: @RobinG
    Yes, indeed. You beat me to it.

    "President Trump has decided to end the CIA’s covert program to arm and train moderate Syrian rebels battling the government of Bashar al-Assad, a move long sought by Russia, according to U.S. officials."

    Now that they've "decided," let's hope they get on with it, (and don't compensate with some other lunacy).
    , @Anonymous

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-ends-covert-cia-program-to-arm-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria-a-move-sought-by-moscow/2017/07/19/b6821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html?utm_term=.620196799e59
     
    CIA is owned and operated by Israel. CIA will continue to arm "rebels", just changing the project codename. In fact, CIA/Israel will continue to do whatever they damn well feel like doing.
  104. @Philip Giraldi
    Andrei and Anatoly - Thanks for explaining this. I last studied economics in an introductory course taught by Milton Friedman. I came away with a "C" and forgot everything I had learned almost immediately.

    I found this small article to be wonderfully instructive on economics.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1993/12/how-the-world-works/305854/

    I disagree with a lot of my American friends because they cannot conceive the notion that projects designed to benefit all of society are not necessarily evil socialism.

    I believe in affordable healthcare for all and think Trump could achieve this by infusing the VA Hospital system with some extra funds and by using the Cuban healthcare methodology and then offering the service to those in need and charging according to what people can afford to pay. Medical students would be selected purely on merit and would work in the hospital as orderlies, cooks, cleaners whatever while undergoing studies. Post-graduation they would work within the system at a low income for about 10 years to repay their education. Medicines would be produced within the system and any profits from R & D would be ploughed back into the system. Preventative care would also be a feature.

    Private healthcare would remain untouched for those who want it and can afford it. I have it myself.

    It could be done, would cost far less than thought and ALL would benefit except perhaps the greedy and immoral. America would be a better nation for it.

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    • Replies: @Erebus
    Yes, eminently coherent and readable. Pays the investment back immediately. Thank you.
  105. Mr. Hack says:
    @annamaria
    Why are you going on a childish offensive by defending the US-installed junta in Kiev and demanding others to provide you with evidence that the neo-nazis and Banderites have nothing to do with Yatz and Poroshenko and Nuland-Kagan?
    Google "neo-Nazi parades in Ukraine" and enjoy the show. If you still have doubts about the direct responsibility of Poroschenko for the neo-Nazi presence in the government of Ukraine, read about Pravyj sector and its role in the Maidan revolution. Also, Proschenko had been in contact with the State Dept for years before the Maidan revolution. Your take on this?
    The main point is the US-orchestrated regime change in Kiev. Or you want to convince the UNZ reader that Nuland was a virtual reality and nothing has changed in Ukraine since Mrs. Nuland-Kagan' and Mr. Brennan's visit to Kiev? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-14/white-house-admits-cia-director-brennan-was-secretly-kiev?page=7
    Do you realize that the US has brought a range of US officials to Kiev - including the Director of the CIA - to "improve" a democratic process there by removing a lawfully elected and acting president?
    Yes, the US intervention has brought neo-Nazis and Banderites to the positions of influence in Ukraine. What could be more natural than a combination of the name "Kagan" and the word "neo-Nazis?" https://consortiumnews.com/2015/03/20/a-family-business-of-perpetual-war/
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/15/the-kagans-are-back-wars-to-follow/
    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31887-the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made

    I’m curious why those of your persuasion aren’t at all rattled by Russia’s blatant attempts to unduly influence events in Ukraine during the Maidan period:

    According to government documents released by former Deputy Interior Minister Hennadiy Moskal, Russian officials served as advisers to the operations against protesters. Codenamed “Wave” and “Boomerang”, the operations involved the use of snipers to disperse crowds and capture the protesters’ headquarters in the House of Trade Unions. Before some police officers defected, the plans included the deployment of 22,000 combined security troops in Kiev.[84] According to the documents, the former first deputy of the Russian GRU stayed at the Kiev Hotel, played a major role in the preparations, and was paid by the Security Services of Ukraine.. agents had been stationed in Kiev throughout the Euromaidan protests, had been provided with “state telecommunications” while residing at an SBU compound, and had kept in regular contact with Ukrainian security officials. “We have substantiated grounds to consider that these very groups which were located at an SBU training ground took part in the planning and execution of activities of this so-called antiterrorist operation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_revolution

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    There is a wonderful episode from a famous novel by Ukrainian writer Nikolai Gogol, where an official tells a story of an officer's widow who allegedly whipped herself with a lash.
    According to your fiction (since you have completely omitted the well-established facts of Nuland-Kagan' and Brennan' presence at the key moments of the regime change in Kiev), Russians have arranged the regime change in Kiev themselves - "cut off your nose to spite your face," in short. You have also modestly omitted the fact of the rise of neo-Nazism in Ukraine, courtesy the US State Dept and its ziocon handlers.
    Here is a report from much more reliable source of information than the ziocon-controlled MSM: "Ukraine: Poland trained putchists two months in advance, " by Thierry Meyssan http://www.voltairenet.org/article183373.html
    Repost: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-14/white-house-admits-cia-director-brennan-was-secretly-kiev?page=7 https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/15/the-kagans-are-back-wars-to-follow/
    , @Anonymous
    Everyone (with a brain) knows that the snipers were false-flagging. Everyone (with a brain) also knows that Wikipedia is infested with special interest groups and autists-for-hire. You're spreading bottom of the barrel propaganda, Mr. Hack.
    , @jacques sheete

    I’m curious why those of your persuasion aren’t at all rattled by Russia’s blatant attempts to unduly influence events in Ukraine during the Maidan period:
     
    A lot of that has to do with the fact that the US has no record of being lily white in that regard, so has no business pointing fingers and getting its tutu in a twist about it.

    Another reason has to do with the practical fact that the Ukraine is in Russia's back yard and about half a world away from the US, so it seems to make sense that what goes on there is not the business of the US as compared with Russia.

    Another reason is that the people of the US have their own corrupt system to deal with and have shown themselves exceptionally poorly equipped to deal with it all, so it appears that we should mind our own business at least until we get a few of our own imperfections handled.

    In other words, some of us are plenty rattled with the crapola served by our own masters and don't have much time left over to be concerned with what goes on elsewhere.

    Ever hear of the word, "priorites?"
  106. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack
    I'm curious why those of your persuasion aren't at all rattled by Russia's blatant attempts to unduly influence events in Ukraine during the Maidan period:

    According to government documents released by former Deputy Interior Minister Hennadiy Moskal, Russian officials served as advisers to the operations against protesters. Codenamed "Wave" and "Boomerang", the operations involved the use of snipers to disperse crowds and capture the protesters' headquarters in the House of Trade Unions. Before some police officers defected, the plans included the deployment of 22,000 combined security troops in Kiev.[84] According to the documents, the former first deputy of the Russian GRU stayed at the Kiev Hotel, played a major role in the preparations, and was paid by the Security Services of Ukraine.. agents had been stationed in Kiev throughout the Euromaidan protests, had been provided with "state telecommunications" while residing at an SBU compound, and had kept in regular contact with Ukrainian security officials. "We have substantiated grounds to consider that these very groups which were located at an SBU training ground took part in the planning and execution of activities of this so-called antiterrorist operation.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_revolution

    There is a wonderful episode from a famous novel by Ukrainian writer Nikolai Gogol, where an official tells a story of an officer’s widow who allegedly whipped herself with a lash.
    According to your fiction (since you have completely omitted the well-established facts of Nuland-Kagan’ and Brennan’ presence at the key moments of the regime change in Kiev), Russians have arranged the regime change in Kiev themselves – “cut off your nose to spite your face,” in short. You have also modestly omitted the fact of the rise of neo-Nazism in Ukraine, courtesy the US State Dept and its ziocon handlers.
    Here is a report from much more reliable source of information than the ziocon-controlled MSM: “Ukraine: Poland trained putchists two months in advance, ” by Thierry Meyssan http://www.voltairenet.org/article183373.html
    Repost: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-14/white-house-admits-cia-director-brennan-was-secretly-kiev?page=7 https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/15/the-kagans-are-back-wars-to-follow/

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    Thanks, you are more patient than I am with trolls. Always appreciate you information and links.

    Here is a very long video that you may appreciate titled eight month in Ukraine:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSx8HJfBl7U
  107. Mr. Hack says:

    since you have completely omitted the well-established facts of Nuland-Kagan’ and Brennan’ presence at the key moments of the regime change in Kiev

    Just where have I ommitted reference to Nuland and Brennan. You must be mixing up my comments with somebody else?…I’ve noted that both were in Kyiv, but question their ability to direct a movement that was homegrown from the very beginning and till the bitter end.

    You have also modestly omitted the fact of the rise of neo-Nazism in Ukraine, courtesy the US State Dept and its ziocon handlers.

    You’re right, I have for the most part omitted reference to any far right parties. Svoboda, the largest of these, barely can muster 3% support in national elections. I’d rather concentrate my purview on the other 97% of the voter base, than on a 3% minority party.

    But since you’ve brought up what I’ve conveniently omitted, HOW ABOUT YOU? No comment regarding the obtrusive and deadly amalgamation of FSB personnel in Ukraine during these events? From what I’ve read, they served up a lot more than just milk and cookies or courses in how to create a civil society?

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  108. annamaria says:

    “…they served up a lot more than just milk and cookies”
    It was Nuland-Kagan who brought the treats to Kiev. It was the (former) Director of CIA Brennan who came to Kiev (supposedly in secret) on the eve of the Kiev’ military actions against the civilian population of the pro-federalist east Ukraine. And you want to convince the UNZ readers that the Maidan was organized by Russians? What is the name of your new Prime Minister? – Mr. Groysman? “Groysman was born in Vinnytsia into a Jewish family…” How come that the predominantly anti-semitic Ukraine has elected this nonety with the proper ethnic background? – Sure you know how to explain that this is also the Russians’ fault. How about the US-enforced appointment of Misha Saakashvilli to the governorship of Ukraine’s Odessa? – Kremlin’s affair? Ukraine has lost its independence with the regime change in 2014.

    “From what I’ve read…” – You mean the presstituting MSM? None of the respectable sources, from consortium.com to Sic Semper Tyrannus (http://turcopolier.typepad.com) have ever suggested that the coup d’etat involved – in any capacity – Russian government. Keep in mind that the above-mentioned sources present the analyses of the principled and patriotic Americans who dedicated their lives to the US nationals security. For obvious reasons, they are hated by ziocons.

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    What is the name of your new Prime Minister? – Mr. Groysman? “Groysman was born in Vinnytsia into a Jewish family…” How come that the predominantly anti-semitic Ukraine has elected this nonety with the proper ethnic background? –
     
    Perhaps, the Ukrainian nation isn't as anti-semitic as your warn out cliches would want people to believe? Maybe you're the real anti-Semite, and you needn't look any further to find expression to your nonsensical Ukrainophobic sentiments too! :-(
  109. RobinG says:
    @Rurik
    some good news vis-à-vis Russia, Syria and the US

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-ends-covert-cia-program-to-arm-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria-a-move-sought-by-moscow/2017/07/19/b6821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html?utm_term=.620196799e59

    Yes, indeed. You beat me to it.

    President Trump has decided to end the CIA’s covert program to arm and train moderate Syrian rebels battling the government of Bashar al-Assad, a move long sought by Russia, according to U.S. officials.”

    Now that they’ve “decided,” let’s hope they get on with it, (and don’t compensate with some other lunacy).

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    It's a feint. Count on it.

    Trump intends to keep up covert operators in Syria.

    And once USA has repositioned itself and conveyed a sense of "can't we all just get along-ness," US will attack with the view to controlling more Syrian territory.
    DO NOT TRUST THESE BASTARDS!!

    MEPC hosted a conference the other day where it was neocon-splained that US has attacked Russia in Syria in ways calculated to make Syrians/Assad begin to worry that Russia is not able to protect its client. http://mepc.org/hill-forums/post-isis-iraq-syria



    James Jeffrey, former ambassador to Iraq, was the first speaker at the conference. He came close to chortling as he detailed how US attacked Russian or Syrian forces at strategic times when those forces "crossed US limits of acceptable behavior."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=405&v=vvzt-D_aCEo

    iow, we can pretty confidently conclude that USA was responsible for killing 80 Syrian soldiers, enabling ISIS -- which was nearby -- to continue the siege of Deir al-Zor http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-idUSKCN11N0PT

    (fun fact: Deir al-Zor was the "relocation zone" for Armenians herded from their homes and villages. According to Scott Anderson in "Lawrence in Arabia," Djemal Pasha

    " . . . stood very much apart from his Young Turk coleaders in his response to the expulsions. In June, the first survivors of the death marches began to trickle into the north Syrian city of Aleppo, a way station toward their intended destination, the "relocation zone" of Deir al-sour some one hundred miles to the East. Visiting Aleppo, Djemal Pasha was horrified by what he saw. Reiterating a March decree that commanded his army to protect the Armenians, he lobbied Constantinople to impose the order on military units where it really mattered, in Anaatolia. That plea was ignored. "
     
  110. @Beckow
    How do you "wreck an election"? I can imagine a number of ways from using violence, intimidation, media pressure, buying votes, blackmail of candidates, electoral fraud, and a few others. But none of those happened in a significant way in the 2016 elections - and the esteemed Mr. Obama went out of his way right before the elections to say that all was in order.

    Now, one can argue that some of the above always happens, and that it also happened in 2016 in US (there was some violence and media manipulation, there is always some fraud...). But how can any sane person claim that it "wrecked the election"?

    If one looks at any event long enough and is motivated to find 'irregularities', one can always find them. But how was 2016 different from 2012,or 2000, or 1968, or any other election year?

    Since Hilary was supposed to win the election. . .and didn’t, for those who hoped her win would paper over all the establishment corruption in Washington the election was indeed wrecked.

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  111. Mr. Hack says:
    @annamaria
    "...they served up a lot more than just milk and cookies"
    It was Nuland-Kagan who brought the treats to Kiev. It was the (former) Director of CIA Brennan who came to Kiev (supposedly in secret) on the eve of the Kiev' military actions against the civilian population of the pro-federalist east Ukraine. And you want to convince the UNZ readers that the Maidan was organized by Russians? What is the name of your new Prime Minister? - Mr. Groysman? "Groysman was born in Vinnytsia into a Jewish family..." How come that the predominantly anti-semitic Ukraine has elected this nonety with the proper ethnic background? - Sure you know how to explain that this is also the Russians' fault. How about the US-enforced appointment of Misha Saakashvilli to the governorship of Ukraine's Odessa? - Kremlin's affair? Ukraine has lost its independence with the regime change in 2014.

    "From what I’ve read..." - You mean the presstituting MSM? None of the respectable sources, from consortium.com to Sic Semper Tyrannus (http://turcopolier.typepad.com) have ever suggested that the coup d'etat involved - in any capacity - Russian government. Keep in mind that the above-mentioned sources present the analyses of the principled and patriotic Americans who dedicated their lives to the US nationals security. For obvious reasons, they are hated by ziocons.

    What is the name of your new Prime Minister? – Mr. Groysman? “Groysman was born in Vinnytsia into a Jewish family…” How come that the predominantly anti-semitic Ukraine has elected this nonety with the proper ethnic background? –

    Perhaps, the Ukrainian nation isn’t as anti-semitic as your warn out cliches would want people to believe? Maybe you’re the real anti-Semite, and you needn’t look any further to find expression to your nonsensical Ukrainophobic sentiments too! :-(

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    Hey, Mr. Hack, does it hurt that people see clearly that the ziocon Nuland-Kagan has been in charge of bringing neo-Nazis to power in Ukraine? There are mass graves of Jewish victims of WWII in Ukraine. - Where are any signs of decency among the Kagans' clan - as well as among the whole AIPAC belligerent crowd - considering that the US-installed junta in Kiev has blissfully allowed the neo-Nazi parades? (In case you are not aware, Bandera was a Nazi collaborator). Not a single peep of protestation from ziocons. Add to the roster the local leader of the Jewish community, certain Mr. Kolomojsky who used to finance the neo-Nazi-infested Azov Battalion - the same battalion that was involved in burning the civilians alive in Odessa. Does this ring auto-da-fe? - on Kolomojsky' dime, with the encouragement of American ziocons?
    You doth protest too much about the alleged "cliches:" why don't you collect some courage to see the truth? For now, you are upset that the facts about the US-Ukraine affair have an anti-Semitic bias. But the Jewish victimhood card is not working anymore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw). The ongoing nonsensical situation in Ukraine is the direct result of the US involvement there. Read PNAC.
    "Ukraine Honors Nationalist Blamed for anti-Jewish Pogroms:" http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.722629
    "Antisemitism in Ukraine, JTA:" http://www.jta.org/tags/anti-semitism-in-ukraine
    "Antisemitic Hate Crimes Thrive in Ukraine:" https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/04/21/antisemitic-hate-crimes-thrive-in-ukraine/
  112. Erebus says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    I found this small article to be wonderfully instructive on economics.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1993/12/how-the-world-works/305854/

    I disagree with a lot of my American friends because they cannot conceive the notion that projects designed to benefit all of society are not necessarily evil socialism.

    I believe in affordable healthcare for all and think Trump could achieve this by infusing the VA Hospital system with some extra funds and by using the Cuban healthcare methodology and then offering the service to those in need and charging according to what people can afford to pay. Medical students would be selected purely on merit and would work in the hospital as orderlies, cooks, cleaners whatever while undergoing studies. Post-graduation they would work within the system at a low income for about 10 years to repay their education. Medicines would be produced within the system and any profits from R & D would be ploughed back into the system. Preventative care would also be a feature.

    Private healthcare would remain untouched for those who want it and can afford it. I have it myself.

    It could be done, would cost far less than thought and ALL would benefit except perhaps the greedy and immoral. America would be a better nation for it.

    Yes, eminently coherent and readable. Pays the investment back immediately. Thank you.

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  113. @Apolonius
    Just to add one personal observation. I know Russia very well, lived there for 12 years, last time in 1991. Then I visited Russia several times until 2006 - improvement was visible, but nothing prepared me to the Russsia 2017! Even people on the street changed - to the positive. As to buildings, stores, it is incredible, I couldn´t recognize old Russia, everything was new, shining, smart and much better than before. Russians are optimistic, which was impossible in nineties! It was really a shock for me, very nice shock...I don´t know how to express to you this enormous surprise...I never thought such transformation possible....
    So speaking about Russia like about some sick giant is a very stupid thing to do. Today, Russia from the point of view of her citizens is good, and working hard for excellence. I think Western leaders still think about Russia in categories of 90´s, and that is a big mistake. They should understand once for all, that Russia has to be treated as equal, and not messed with, like in Ukraine. If they will not, I think that the Russia will pass from partner, to the Master.

    I would love to go and see for myself. However we have no relatives in Moscow but in Ekaterinburg and surrounding and Voronezh/ Lipetsk. Moscow always was my favorite.

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  114. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Hack
    I'm curious why those of your persuasion aren't at all rattled by Russia's blatant attempts to unduly influence events in Ukraine during the Maidan period:

    According to government documents released by former Deputy Interior Minister Hennadiy Moskal, Russian officials served as advisers to the operations against protesters. Codenamed "Wave" and "Boomerang", the operations involved the use of snipers to disperse crowds and capture the protesters' headquarters in the House of Trade Unions. Before some police officers defected, the plans included the deployment of 22,000 combined security troops in Kiev.[84] According to the documents, the former first deputy of the Russian GRU stayed at the Kiev Hotel, played a major role in the preparations, and was paid by the Security Services of Ukraine.. agents had been stationed in Kiev throughout the Euromaidan protests, had been provided with "state telecommunications" while residing at an SBU compound, and had kept in regular contact with Ukrainian security officials. "We have substantiated grounds to consider that these very groups which were located at an SBU training ground took part in the planning and execution of activities of this so-called antiterrorist operation.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_revolution

    Everyone (with a brain) knows that the snipers were false-flagging. Everyone (with a brain) also knows that Wikipedia is infested with special interest groups and autists-for-hire. You’re spreading bottom of the barrel propaganda, Mr. Hack.

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    Yeah,I know, it just seems to0 fantastic to think that Yanukovych gave the order to shoot on an unruly mob to his loyal and nefarious Berkut security forces, that ended up shooting down 100 demonstrators on a cold day in Kyiv. It's hard to picture someone as upright and moral as Yanukovych doing such a thing. But then again there are these incriminating photos...they must be photoshopped!

    Poor, poor falsely accused Yanukovych...

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-photographs-expose-russian-trained-killers-in-kiev
  115. @Mr. Hack
    I'm curious why those of your persuasion aren't at all rattled by Russia's blatant attempts to unduly influence events in Ukraine during the Maidan period:

    According to government documents released by former Deputy Interior Minister Hennadiy Moskal, Russian officials served as advisers to the operations against protesters. Codenamed "Wave" and "Boomerang", the operations involved the use of snipers to disperse crowds and capture the protesters' headquarters in the House of Trade Unions. Before some police officers defected, the plans included the deployment of 22,000 combined security troops in Kiev.[84] According to the documents, the former first deputy of the Russian GRU stayed at the Kiev Hotel, played a major role in the preparations, and was paid by the Security Services of Ukraine.. agents had been stationed in Kiev throughout the Euromaidan protests, had been provided with "state telecommunications" while residing at an SBU compound, and had kept in regular contact with Ukrainian security officials. "We have substantiated grounds to consider that these very groups which were located at an SBU training ground took part in the planning and execution of activities of this so-called antiterrorist operation.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_revolution

    I’m curious why those of your persuasion aren’t at all rattled by Russia’s blatant attempts to unduly influence events in Ukraine during the Maidan period:

    A lot of that has to do with the fact that the US has no record of being lily white in that regard, so has no business pointing fingers and getting its tutu in a twist about it.

    Another reason has to do with the practical fact that the Ukraine is in Russia’s back yard and about half a world away from the US, so it seems to make sense that what goes on there is not the business of the US as compared with Russia.

    Another reason is that the people of the US have their own corrupt system to deal with and have shown themselves exceptionally poorly equipped to deal with it all, so it appears that we should mind our own business at least until we get a few of our own imperfections handled.

    In other words, some of us are plenty rattled with the crapola served by our own masters and don’t have much time left over to be concerned with what goes on elsewhere.

    Ever hear of the word, “priorites?”

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  116. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anonymous
    Everyone (with a brain) knows that the snipers were false-flagging. Everyone (with a brain) also knows that Wikipedia is infested with special interest groups and autists-for-hire. You're spreading bottom of the barrel propaganda, Mr. Hack.

    Yeah,I know, it just seems to0 fantastic to think that Yanukovych gave the order to shoot on an unruly mob to his loyal and nefarious Berkut security forces, that ended up shooting down 100 demonstrators on a cold day in Kyiv. It’s hard to picture someone as upright and moral as Yanukovych doing such a thing. But then again there are these incriminating photos…they must be photoshopped!

    Poor, poor falsely accused Yanukovych…

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-photographs-expose-russian-trained-killers-in-kiev

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  117. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack

    What is the name of your new Prime Minister? – Mr. Groysman? “Groysman was born in Vinnytsia into a Jewish family…” How come that the predominantly anti-semitic Ukraine has elected this nonety with the proper ethnic background? –
     
    Perhaps, the Ukrainian nation isn't as anti-semitic as your warn out cliches would want people to believe? Maybe you're the real anti-Semite, and you needn't look any further to find expression to your nonsensical Ukrainophobic sentiments too! :-(

    Hey, Mr. Hack, does it hurt that people see clearly that the ziocon Nuland-Kagan has been in charge of bringing neo-Nazis to power in Ukraine? There are mass graves of Jewish victims of WWII in Ukraine. – Where are any signs of decency among the Kagans’ clan – as well as among the whole AIPAC belligerent crowd – considering that the US-installed junta in Kiev has blissfully allowed the neo-Nazi parades? (In case you are not aware, Bandera was a Nazi collaborator). Not a single peep of protestation from ziocons. Add to the roster the local leader of the Jewish community, certain Mr. Kolomojsky who used to finance the neo-Nazi-infested Azov Battalion – the same battalion that was involved in burning the civilians alive in Odessa. Does this ring auto-da-fe? – on Kolomojsky’ dime, with the encouragement of American ziocons?
    You doth protest too much about the alleged “cliches:” why don’t you collect some courage to see the truth? For now, you are upset that the facts about the US-Ukraine affair have an anti-Semitic bias. But the Jewish victimhood card is not working anymore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw). The ongoing nonsensical situation in Ukraine is the direct result of the US involvement there. Read PNAC.
    “Ukraine Honors Nationalist Blamed for anti-Jewish Pogroms:” http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.722629
    “Antisemitism in Ukraine, JTA:” http://www.jta.org/tags/anti-semitism-in-ukraine
    “Antisemitic Hate Crimes Thrive in Ukraine:” https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/04/21/antisemitic-hate-crimes-thrive-in-ukraine/

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    Let me see if I understand your fantastical 'Zioicon' conspiracy theory correctly. We have three Jews, Nuland, Groysman and Kolomojsky, all giving support to known 'Nazis' in Ukraine? Don't these three individuals know any history and realize that Nazis are responsible for killing millions of Jews during WWII? Don't they realize that if they support the installment of Nazis into the Ukrainian political landscape, this may eventually lead to problems for the Jewish community in Ukraine down the road? Or are you claiming that Nuland, Groysman and Kolomojsky are themselves all Nazis? Certainly, you can see the problem with insisting that Jews themselves would be openly supporting neo-Nazi politicians, now don't you? Your theory seems somewhat discombobulated. So far, putting everything together that you've written, it appears to me that you needn't waste any more time looking for 'Nazis' in the Ukrainian woodwork, you only need to look into a mirror.
  118. Rurik says: • Website

    …events in Ukraine during the Maidan period:

    A lot of that has to do with the fact that the US has no record of being lily white in that regard, …

    speaking of, you know that I openly wished, (in fact earnestly prayed) here on this site for John – the bloodstain- McCain to have a malignant brain tumor?

    when I consider all the evil that is done in the world deliberately, by people..

    the unimaginable suffering, murder, atrocities, entire nations destroyed and millions of people forced to wander the ruins of their lands with terror drones bringing arbitrary slaughter from their skies..

    and for all the worst reasons – insatiable avarice, tribalism, or simply the raw expression of power for its own sake.

    I occasionally wonder who is the worst human being on the planet? Sometimes I consider that person to be Dick Cheney. Sometimes Tony Blair, and sometimes some other contender. But I always seem to settle back on John McCain as the most loathsome and execrable human being on the planet, bar none.

    There are a lot of metrics that go into such a distinction you know. You can’t just be a murderous psychopath willing to betray your nation and your people and your vows and sacred oaths for personal gain. There are easily 635 + people like that in Washington DC off the top of my head. And you have to be much more than just a lying, corrupt, traitorous, mean-spirited asshole so off the charts criminal so as to be unprecedented, which if you look at history or even the planet just today, is saying a lot!

    But still, that doesn’t qualify in itself as reason enough to wish brain cancer on someone, even someone that sinister, wicked and vile.

    Nope, for a person to be that singularly rotten, down to the core and then some, to the point that the entire world should rejoice with celebrations and dancing in the streets.. at the news of brain cancer.. you have to be as black-hearted and perfidious and indeed, monstrous – being personally responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of innocents, and probably more.. guilty of the worst kinds of financial crimes and betrayal.. guilty of the treacherous betrayal of the men in uniform left to perish in Vietnam or the men who were murdered by cowards on the USS Liberty, or the boys and girls sent to kill and die in myriad wars all over the Middle East, with the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands and always in wars based on devil’s lies..

    but still, that’s not enough..

    to celebrate a man’s diagnosis of brain cancer as the best news of the year, (perhaps decade or even century!), to accomplish that enormous feat, you have to be as nether-worldly rotten as they come, sure– but you also have to be a man in a position, and willing in the extreme, to send the people of the entire planet reeling into a third world war, with all that would mean, perhaps even going nuclear and perhaps even wiping out higher life forms on planet earth for perhaps all eternity. And why would you do such a thing? To sooth your vanity. To assuage your pumped-up opinion of yourself by getting the upper hand on Vlad, once and for all.

    And John – the bloodstain- McCain qualifies for every single one of these metrics in spades.

    Not only is his existence an abomination and a blood-stain upon all Americans, but his agenda is pure evil, and all for the worst reasons possible. Power, power, and more power, for its own sake.

    May he die finally! and then get to the business of rotting in hell.

    with sincere love for humanity in my heart ~ Rurik, the compassionate

    Peace

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    glioblastoma, the same type of tumor that struck McCain's close Democratic colleague in legislative battles, the late Ted Kennedy
     
    Wow

    http://hosted2.ap.org/APDefault/*/Article_2017-07-20-US--McCain-Brain%20Tumor/id-844b2d967a9f4289b6748fb95956633b

    I wonder who else was afflicted with this exceptional malady?

    John Wayne Gacy perhaps? Ariel Sharon?
    , @anarchyst
    Let's not forget the rest of the "Israel first" crowd that has sold America's collective soul to Israel.
    A pox on the forty or so congresscritters who hold Israeli citizenship, the dual nationality policy wonks in our government, the misguided evangelicals who are looking for the "second coming" and "armageddon", and anyone else who prostrates themselves at the feet of that "certain (sh!tty) little country" in the middle east.
    All foreign entanglements with Israel and others must be summarily rescinded. America first...
    Let the deportations begin.
    , @anarchyst
    One could only hope that the likes of Soros and Netanyahu meet McCain as well...
    , @Anonymous

    And John – the bloodstain- McCain qualifies for every single one of these metrics in spades.
     
    That video of Commander John leaping from his A-4 and scurrying below decks while real men fought the fire -- always sets me cackling.
  119. Rurik says: • Website
    @Rurik


    ...events in Ukraine during the Maidan period:
     
    A lot of that has to do with the fact that the US has no record of being lily white in that regard, ...
     
    speaking of, you know that I openly wished, (in fact earnestly prayed) here on this site for John - the bloodstain- McCain to have a malignant brain tumor?

    when I consider all the evil that is done in the world deliberately, by people..

    the unimaginable suffering, murder, atrocities, entire nations destroyed and millions of people forced to wander the ruins of their lands with terror drones bringing arbitrary slaughter from their skies..

    and for all the worst reasons - insatiable avarice, tribalism, or simply the raw expression of power for its own sake.

    I occasionally wonder who is the worst human being on the planet? Sometimes I consider that person to be Dick Cheney. Sometimes Tony Blair, and sometimes some other contender. But I always seem to settle back on John McCain as the most loathsome and execrable human being on the planet, bar none.

    There are a lot of metrics that go into such a distinction you know. You can't just be a murderous psychopath willing to betray your nation and your people and your vows and sacred oaths for personal gain. There are easily 635 + people like that in Washington DC off the top of my head. And you have to be much more than just a lying, corrupt, traitorous, mean-spirited asshole so off the charts criminal so as to be unprecedented, which if you look at history or even the planet just today, is saying a lot!

    But still, that doesn't qualify in itself as reason enough to wish brain cancer on someone, even someone that sinister, wicked and vile.

    Nope, for a person to be that singularly rotten, down to the core and then some, to the point that the entire world should rejoice with celebrations and dancing in the streets.. at the news of brain cancer.. you have to be as black-hearted and perfidious and indeed, monstrous - being personally responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of innocents, and probably more.. guilty of the worst kinds of financial crimes and betrayal.. guilty of the treacherous betrayal of the men in uniform left to perish in Vietnam or the men who were murdered by cowards on the USS Liberty, or the boys and girls sent to kill and die in myriad wars all over the Middle East, with the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands and always in wars based on devil's lies..

    but still, that's not enough..

    to celebrate a man's diagnosis of brain cancer as the best news of the year, (perhaps decade or even century!), to accomplish that enormous feat, you have to be as nether-worldly rotten as they come, sure-- but you also have to be a man in a position, and willing in the extreme, to send the people of the entire planet reeling into a third world war, with all that would mean, perhaps even going nuclear and perhaps even wiping out higher life forms on planet earth for perhaps all eternity. And why would you do such a thing? To sooth your vanity. To assuage your pumped-up opinion of yourself by getting the upper hand on Vlad, once and for all.

    And John - the bloodstain- McCain qualifies for every single one of these metrics in spades.

    Not only is his existence an abomination and a blood-stain upon all Americans, but his agenda is pure evil, and all for the worst reasons possible. Power, power, and more power, for its own sake.

    May he die finally! and then get to the business of rotting in hell.

    with sincere love for humanity in my heart ~ Rurik, the compassionate

    Peace

    glioblastoma, the same type of tumor that struck McCain’s close Democratic colleague in legislative battles, the late Ted Kennedy

    Wow

    http://hosted2.ap.org/APDefault/*/Article_2017-07-20-US–McCain-Brain%20Tumor/id-844b2d967a9f4289b6748fb95956633b

    I wonder who else was afflicted with this exceptional malady?

    John Wayne Gacy perhaps? Ariel Sharon?

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  120. anarchyst says:
    @Rurik


    ...events in Ukraine during the Maidan period:
     
    A lot of that has to do with the fact that the US has no record of being lily white in that regard, ...
     
    speaking of, you know that I openly wished, (in fact earnestly prayed) here on this site for John - the bloodstain- McCain to have a malignant brain tumor?

    when I consider all the evil that is done in the world deliberately, by people..

    the unimaginable suffering, murder, atrocities, entire nations destroyed and millions of people forced to wander the ruins of their lands with terror drones bringing arbitrary slaughter from their skies..

    and for all the worst reasons - insatiable avarice, tribalism, or simply the raw expression of power for its own sake.

    I occasionally wonder who is the worst human being on the planet? Sometimes I consider that person to be Dick Cheney. Sometimes Tony Blair, and sometimes some other contender. But I always seem to settle back on John McCain as the most loathsome and execrable human being on the planet, bar none.

    There are a lot of metrics that go into such a distinction you know. You can't just be a murderous psychopath willing to betray your nation and your people and your vows and sacred oaths for personal gain. There are easily 635 + people like that in Washington DC off the top of my head. And you have to be much more than just a lying, corrupt, traitorous, mean-spirited asshole so off the charts criminal so as to be unprecedented, which if you look at history or even the planet just today, is saying a lot!

    But still, that doesn't qualify in itself as reason enough to wish brain cancer on someone, even someone that sinister, wicked and vile.

    Nope, for a person to be that singularly rotten, down to the core and then some, to the point that the entire world should rejoice with celebrations and dancing in the streets.. at the news of brain cancer.. you have to be as black-hearted and perfidious and indeed, monstrous - being personally responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of innocents, and probably more.. guilty of the worst kinds of financial crimes and betrayal.. guilty of the treacherous betrayal of the men in uniform left to perish in Vietnam or the men who were murdered by cowards on the USS Liberty, or the boys and girls sent to kill and die in myriad wars all over the Middle East, with the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands and always in wars based on devil's lies..

    but still, that's not enough..

    to celebrate a man's diagnosis of brain cancer as the best news of the year, (perhaps decade or even century!), to accomplish that enormous feat, you have to be as nether-worldly rotten as they come, sure-- but you also have to be a man in a position, and willing in the extreme, to send the people of the entire planet reeling into a third world war, with all that would mean, perhaps even going nuclear and perhaps even wiping out higher life forms on planet earth for perhaps all eternity. And why would you do such a thing? To sooth your vanity. To assuage your pumped-up opinion of yourself by getting the upper hand on Vlad, once and for all.

    And John - the bloodstain- McCain qualifies for every single one of these metrics in spades.

    Not only is his existence an abomination and a blood-stain upon all Americans, but his agenda is pure evil, and all for the worst reasons possible. Power, power, and more power, for its own sake.

    May he die finally! and then get to the business of rotting in hell.

    with sincere love for humanity in my heart ~ Rurik, the compassionate

    Peace

    Let’s not forget the rest of the “Israel first” crowd that has sold America’s collective soul to Israel.
    A pox on the forty or so congresscritters who hold Israeli citizenship, the dual nationality policy wonks in our government, the misguided evangelicals who are looking for the “second coming” and “armageddon”, and anyone else who prostrates themselves at the feet of that “certain (sh!tty) little country” in the middle east.
    All foreign entanglements with Israel and others must be summarily rescinded. America first…
    Let the deportations begin.

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  121. anarchyst says:
    @Rurik


    ...events in Ukraine during the Maidan period:
     
    A lot of that has to do with the fact that the US has no record of being lily white in that regard, ...
     
    speaking of, you know that I openly wished, (in fact earnestly prayed) here on this site for John - the bloodstain- McCain to have a malignant brain tumor?

    when I consider all the evil that is done in the world deliberately, by people..

    the unimaginable suffering, murder, atrocities, entire nations destroyed and millions of people forced to wander the ruins of their lands with terror drones bringing arbitrary slaughter from their skies..

    and for all the worst reasons - insatiable avarice, tribalism, or simply the raw expression of power for its own sake.

    I occasionally wonder who is the worst human being on the planet? Sometimes I consider that person to be Dick Cheney. Sometimes Tony Blair, and sometimes some other contender. But I always seem to settle back on John McCain as the most loathsome and execrable human being on the planet, bar none.

    There are a lot of metrics that go into such a distinction you know. You can't just be a murderous psychopath willing to betray your nation and your people and your vows and sacred oaths for personal gain. There are easily 635 + people like that in Washington DC off the top of my head. And you have to be much more than just a lying, corrupt, traitorous, mean-spirited asshole so off the charts criminal so as to be unprecedented, which if you look at history or even the planet just today, is saying a lot!

    But still, that doesn't qualify in itself as reason enough to wish brain cancer on someone, even someone that sinister, wicked and vile.

    Nope, for a person to be that singularly rotten, down to the core and then some, to the point that the entire world should rejoice with celebrations and dancing in the streets.. at the news of brain cancer.. you have to be as black-hearted and perfidious and indeed, monstrous - being personally responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of innocents, and probably more.. guilty of the worst kinds of financial crimes and betrayal.. guilty of the treacherous betrayal of the men in uniform left to perish in Vietnam or the men who were murdered by cowards on the USS Liberty, or the boys and girls sent to kill and die in myriad wars all over the Middle East, with the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands and always in wars based on devil's lies..

    but still, that's not enough..

    to celebrate a man's diagnosis of brain cancer as the best news of the year, (perhaps decade or even century!), to accomplish that enormous feat, you have to be as nether-worldly rotten as they come, sure-- but you also have to be a man in a position, and willing in the extreme, to send the people of the entire planet reeling into a third world war, with all that would mean, perhaps even going nuclear and perhaps even wiping out higher life forms on planet earth for perhaps all eternity. And why would you do such a thing? To sooth your vanity. To assuage your pumped-up opinion of yourself by getting the upper hand on Vlad, once and for all.

    And John - the bloodstain- McCain qualifies for every single one of these metrics in spades.

    Not only is his existence an abomination and a blood-stain upon all Americans, but his agenda is pure evil, and all for the worst reasons possible. Power, power, and more power, for its own sake.

    May he die finally! and then get to the business of rotting in hell.

    with sincere love for humanity in my heart ~ Rurik, the compassionate

    Peace

    One could only hope that the likes of Soros and Netanyahu meet McCain as well…

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    Soros and Netanyahu meet McCain as well
     
    yes of course, but in a way, they're not nearly as bad as the stain

    Soros and Bibi, for all their demonic ways, are at least acting in what they consider to be the best interests of their people. John McCain on the other hand, is acting in ways that he knows are existentially catastrophic to the Americans that trust him to look out for their interests. He's betraying his own people, to bolster Bibi's and Soros' agendas.

    The Stain is the guy who comes into your hearth and home, and puts on the face of your friend and compatriot, and then poisons your family in the night, steals the silver and sets your house on fire.

    it's one thing to act as a fiend on behalf of your own people, it's quite another to act as a fiend on behalf of your people's enemies.

    like a kapo, John McCain abases himself to the enemies of his people, for personal gain, just like he did in Vietnam. Just like he did with the S&L mass looting. Just like he did when he betrayed the sailors of the USS Liberty. Just like he did with his bailout efforts during the 2008 mass swindle. Just like he did when he conspired with a foreign invasion of this nation. Just as he's done relentlessly with his war mongering.

    I suppose Hillary might be as repugnant if she were still in power, but thank the Gods, she's not. But the Stain still is, for now..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC0Wp3MLPPs

  122. Ivan K. says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    OK, but in order to expect anyone else to respect international law and the sovereignty of nations, isn’t it rather incumbent upon us that we (the ZUSA) do so as well?
     
    Yes, absolutely so.

    It seems like Jerry Sandusky demanding that Mother Theresa be more considerate to children. or at least, that’s sort of how it seems to me.
     
    A good point you make but once you observe with the naked eye most of what is going on currently in terms of global power re-balancing--it is precisely about a bottom line of several guiding principles applied to everyone which should be followed--respect for sovereignty is the most important of them. It will require (and it is happening as I type is) a significant re-defining of US "exceptionalism" before new balance is achieved but it is this new balance into whose sails the winds of history are blowing. Having said all that, espionage and operations of influence will certainly not go anywhere, but the level of violence will be reduced greatly.

    several guiding principles applied to everyone which should be followed–respect for sovereignty is the most important of them

    I don’t know what to think of respect for sovereignty as the most important principle, in the light of the fairly well-known situation described here (http://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/Tragedy_and_Hope.pdf) in Chapter 61, especially on pages 867-869.

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  123. Rurik says: • Website
    @anarchyst
    One could only hope that the likes of Soros and Netanyahu meet McCain as well...

    Soros and Netanyahu meet McCain as well

    yes of course, but in a way, they’re not nearly as bad as the stain

    Soros and Bibi, for all their demonic ways, are at least acting in what they consider to be the best interests of their people. John McCain on the other hand, is acting in ways that he knows are existentially catastrophic to the Americans that trust him to look out for their interests. He’s betraying his own people, to bolster Bibi’s and Soros’ agendas.

    The Stain is the guy who comes into your hearth and home, and puts on the face of your friend and compatriot, and then poisons your family in the night, steals the silver and sets your house on fire.

    it’s one thing to act as a fiend on behalf of your own people, it’s quite another to act as a fiend on behalf of your people’s enemies.

    like a kapo, John McCain abases himself to the enemies of his people, for personal gain, just like he did in Vietnam. Just like he did with the S&L mass looting. Just like he did when he betrayed the sailors of the USS Liberty. Just like he did with his bailout efforts during the 2008 mass swindle. Just like he did when he conspired with a foreign invasion of this nation. Just as he’s done relentlessly with his war mongering.

    I suppose Hillary might be as repugnant if she were still in power, but thank the Gods, she’s not. But the Stain still is, for now..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC0Wp3MLPPs

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  124. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rurik
    some good news vis-à-vis Russia, Syria and the US

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-ends-covert-cia-program-to-arm-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria-a-move-sought-by-moscow/2017/07/19/b6821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html?utm_term=.620196799e59

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-ends-covert-cia-program-to-arm-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria-a-move-sought-by-moscow/2017/07/19/b6821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html?utm_term=.620196799e59

    CIA is owned and operated by Israel. CIA will continue to arm “rebels”, just changing the project codename. In fact, CIA/Israel will continue to do whatever they damn well feel like doing.

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    In fact, CIA/Israel will continue to do whatever they damn well feel like doing.
     
    if history is any indication, I suppose you're right, of course

    but let's pretend that for once in the last several decades, that the occupant of the White House is ideologically opposed to the US being Israel's abject bitch.

    He comes across as an egotistical alpha male, and the neocons and ((media)) seem to hate his guts.

    the whole (almost) rotten, treasonous GOP is aligned against him

    I'm not a Pollyanna by nature, but I'd like to at least pretend that there's a chance, however ephemeral or fleeting..
  125. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rurik


    ...events in Ukraine during the Maidan period:
     
    A lot of that has to do with the fact that the US has no record of being lily white in that regard, ...
     
    speaking of, you know that I openly wished, (in fact earnestly prayed) here on this site for John - the bloodstain- McCain to have a malignant brain tumor?

    when I consider all the evil that is done in the world deliberately, by people..

    the unimaginable suffering, murder, atrocities, entire nations destroyed and millions of people forced to wander the ruins of their lands with terror drones bringing arbitrary slaughter from their skies..

    and for all the worst reasons - insatiable avarice, tribalism, or simply the raw expression of power for its own sake.

    I occasionally wonder who is the worst human being on the planet? Sometimes I consider that person to be Dick Cheney. Sometimes Tony Blair, and sometimes some other contender. But I always seem to settle back on John McCain as the most loathsome and execrable human being on the planet, bar none.

    There are a lot of metrics that go into such a distinction you know. You can't just be a murderous psychopath willing to betray your nation and your people and your vows and sacred oaths for personal gain. There are easily 635 + people like that in Washington DC off the top of my head. And you have to be much more than just a lying, corrupt, traitorous, mean-spirited asshole so off the charts criminal so as to be unprecedented, which if you look at history or even the planet just today, is saying a lot!

    But still, that doesn't qualify in itself as reason enough to wish brain cancer on someone, even someone that sinister, wicked and vile.

    Nope, for a person to be that singularly rotten, down to the core and then some, to the point that the entire world should rejoice with celebrations and dancing in the streets.. at the news of brain cancer.. you have to be as black-hearted and perfidious and indeed, monstrous - being personally responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of innocents, and probably more.. guilty of the worst kinds of financial crimes and betrayal.. guilty of the treacherous betrayal of the men in uniform left to perish in Vietnam or the men who were murdered by cowards on the USS Liberty, or the boys and girls sent to kill and die in myriad wars all over the Middle East, with the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands and always in wars based on devil's lies..

    but still, that's not enough..

    to celebrate a man's diagnosis of brain cancer as the best news of the year, (perhaps decade or even century!), to accomplish that enormous feat, you have to be as nether-worldly rotten as they come, sure-- but you also have to be a man in a position, and willing in the extreme, to send the people of the entire planet reeling into a third world war, with all that would mean, perhaps even going nuclear and perhaps even wiping out higher life forms on planet earth for perhaps all eternity. And why would you do such a thing? To sooth your vanity. To assuage your pumped-up opinion of yourself by getting the upper hand on Vlad, once and for all.

    And John - the bloodstain- McCain qualifies for every single one of these metrics in spades.

    Not only is his existence an abomination and a blood-stain upon all Americans, but his agenda is pure evil, and all for the worst reasons possible. Power, power, and more power, for its own sake.

    May he die finally! and then get to the business of rotting in hell.

    with sincere love for humanity in my heart ~ Rurik, the compassionate

    Peace

    And John – the bloodstain- McCain qualifies for every single one of these metrics in spades.

    That video of Commander John leaping from his A-4 and scurrying below decks while real men fought the fire — always sets me cackling.

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  126. @RobinG
    Yes, indeed. You beat me to it.

    "President Trump has decided to end the CIA’s covert program to arm and train moderate Syrian rebels battling the government of Bashar al-Assad, a move long sought by Russia, according to U.S. officials."

    Now that they've "decided," let's hope they get on with it, (and don't compensate with some other lunacy).

    It’s a feint. Count on it.

    Trump intends to keep up covert operators in Syria.

    And once USA has repositioned itself and conveyed a sense of “can’t we all just get along-ness,” US will attack with the view to controlling more Syrian territory.
    DO NOT TRUST THESE BASTARDS!!

    MEPC hosted a conference the other day where it was neocon-splained that US has attacked Russia in Syria in ways calculated to make Syrians/Assad begin to worry that Russia is not able to protect its client. http://mepc.org/hill-forums/post-isis-iraq-syria

    James Jeffrey, former ambassador to Iraq, was the first speaker at the conference. He came close to chortling as he detailed how US attacked Russian or Syrian forces at strategic times when those forces “crossed US limits of acceptable behavior.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=405&v=vvzt-D_aCEo

    iow, we can pretty confidently conclude that USA was responsible for killing 80 Syrian soldiers, enabling ISIS — which was nearby — to continue the siege of Deir al-Zor http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-idUSKCN11N0PT

    (fun fact: Deir al-Zor was the “relocation zone” for Armenians herded from their homes and villages. According to Scott Anderson in “Lawrence in Arabia,” Djemal Pasha

    ” . . . stood very much apart from his Young Turk coleaders in his response to the expulsions. In June, the first survivors of the death marches began to trickle into the north Syrian city of Aleppo, a way station toward their intended destination, the “relocation zone” of Deir al-sour some one hundred miles to the East. Visiting Aleppo, Djemal Pasha was horrified by what he saw. Reiterating a March decree that commanded his army to protect the Armenians, he lobbied Constantinople to impose the order on military units where it really mattered, in Anaatolia. That plea was ignored. “

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  127. Mr. Hack says:
    @annamaria
    Hey, Mr. Hack, does it hurt that people see clearly that the ziocon Nuland-Kagan has been in charge of bringing neo-Nazis to power in Ukraine? There are mass graves of Jewish victims of WWII in Ukraine. - Where are any signs of decency among the Kagans' clan - as well as among the whole AIPAC belligerent crowd - considering that the US-installed junta in Kiev has blissfully allowed the neo-Nazi parades? (In case you are not aware, Bandera was a Nazi collaborator). Not a single peep of protestation from ziocons. Add to the roster the local leader of the Jewish community, certain Mr. Kolomojsky who used to finance the neo-Nazi-infested Azov Battalion - the same battalion that was involved in burning the civilians alive in Odessa. Does this ring auto-da-fe? - on Kolomojsky' dime, with the encouragement of American ziocons?
    You doth protest too much about the alleged "cliches:" why don't you collect some courage to see the truth? For now, you are upset that the facts about the US-Ukraine affair have an anti-Semitic bias. But the Jewish victimhood card is not working anymore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw). The ongoing nonsensical situation in Ukraine is the direct result of the US involvement there. Read PNAC.
    "Ukraine Honors Nationalist Blamed for anti-Jewish Pogroms:" http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.722629
    "Antisemitism in Ukraine, JTA:" http://www.jta.org/tags/anti-semitism-in-ukraine
    "Antisemitic Hate Crimes Thrive in Ukraine:" https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/04/21/antisemitic-hate-crimes-thrive-in-ukraine/

    Let me see if I understand your fantastical ‘Zioicon’ conspiracy theory correctly. We have three Jews, Nuland, Groysman and Kolomojsky, all giving support to known ‘Nazis’ in Ukraine? Don’t these three individuals know any history and realize that Nazis are responsible for killing millions of Jews during WWII? Don’t they realize that if they support the installment of Nazis into the Ukrainian political landscape, this may eventually lead to problems for the Jewish community in Ukraine down the road? Or are you claiming that Nuland, Groysman and Kolomojsky are themselves all Nazis? Certainly, you can see the problem with insisting that Jews themselves would be openly supporting neo-Nazi politicians, now don’t you? Your theory seems somewhat discombobulated. So far, putting everything together that you’ve written, it appears to me that you needn’t waste any more time looking for ‘Nazis’ in the Ukrainian woodwork, you only need to look into a mirror.

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    hi hack,

    Or are you claiming that Nuland, Groysman and Kolomojsky are themselves all Nazis?
     
    (with anamaria's permission)

    the Jews organizing the neo-Nazis in Ukraine are cynically using them as their bitches to act as a thorn in Putin's arse because Putin upset their little schemes in the greater Levant.

    The big Jews don't give a fuck if some little Jews are inconvenienced by some neo-Nazi thugs making Roman salutes. They have bigger fish to fry, and the whole charade is intended to warn Putin from interfering in their little sandbox / Syria. The reason they decided upon using Ukraine for that is because of the long held, and simmering hostilities between the people of Ukraine vs. Russia for the crimes (genocide) during the Soviet regime. Just like John McCain used his little puppet Saakashvili in Georgia for the same reasons.

    so yea, the stooges in Kyiv who're marching around like Nazis, are being used as bitches by international Jews to foment war. Wars that will benefit the big Zionist Jews greater agenda, by getting Ukrainian and Russian goyim slaughtered, even if a few little Jews also die or are inconvenienced.

    nothing new under the sun
    , @annamaria
    "Your theory seems somewhat discombobulated."

    If you want to focus on a theory of "three Jews" the story could look indeed confusing, since the contingent of ziocons supporting the regime change in Ukraine is much larger. As for your rhetorical questions, "Don’t these three individuals know any history and realize that Nazis are responsible for killing millions of Jews during WWII? Don’t they realize that if they support the installment of Nazis into the Ukrainian political landscape, this may eventually lead to problems for the Jewish community in Ukraine down the road?" you should direct the inquiry to the individuals in question.
    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/13/the-mess-that-nuland-made/ : "It wasn’t until July 7 that the Times admitted the importance of the neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists in waging war against ethnic Russian rebels in the east."
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/05/chronology-of-the-ukrainian-coup/ : 'What Nuland did not reveal was that her meetings with ‘key Ukrainian stakeholders’ included neo-Nazi Svoboda party leader Oleh Tyahnybok and prime minister wannabe Arsenly Yatsenyuk of the Fatherland Party. ... The Svoboda party which has roots with extreme vigilante and anti-semitic groups has since received at least three high-level cabinet posts in the interim government, including deputy prime minister. There is no doubt that the progenies of west Ukraine’s historic neo-fascist thugs that fought with Hitler are now aligned with the US as represented by Victoria Nuland" https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/05/chronology-of-the-ukrainian-coup/

    "The Right Sector’s roots go back to the Ukrainians who fought for Adolf Hitler against the Soviet Union during World War 2. It was the Right Sector that introduced armed fighters and turned the tide of the protests in Kiev from peaceful protests in favor of joining the EU to violent attacks on police... There is a tendency to discount the Right Sector as a small fringe group, but the Right Sector not only took control of the protests away from the Western supported moderates, as moderate leaders themselves admitted but also the Right Sector has enough public support to destroy the national monument to the Red Army soldiers who died liberating Ukraine from Nazi Germany."
    More for your attention: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/06/13/putin-ukraine-and-what-americans-know/
    Why don't you do your homework and google "Nuland, Kolomojsky, neo-Nazis, regime change," and such? Instead of the groundless (and hysterical) personal attacks.

    , @ANONymous
    Four Jews.

    There were (at least) four Jews involved: remember Jeff Feltman, Nuland's man at United Nations, EU f&%ker - in - chief?

    For the rest, Rurik covered it pretty well.

    One might only add that this would not be the first time zionists have worked with or through Nazees to achieve their nastee goals.
  128. Rurik says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-ends-covert-cia-program-to-arm-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria-a-move-sought-by-moscow/2017/07/19/b6821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html?utm_term=.620196799e59
     
    CIA is owned and operated by Israel. CIA will continue to arm "rebels", just changing the project codename. In fact, CIA/Israel will continue to do whatever they damn well feel like doing.

    In fact, CIA/Israel will continue to do whatever they damn well feel like doing.

    if history is any indication, I suppose you’re right, of course

    but let’s pretend that for once in the last several decades, that the occupant of the White House is ideologically opposed to the US being Israel’s abject bitch.

    He comes across as an egotistical alpha male, and the neocons and ((media)) seem to hate his guts.

    the whole (almost) rotten, treasonous GOP is aligned against him

    I’m not a Pollyanna by nature, but I’d like to at least pretend that there’s a chance, however ephemeral or fleeting..

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  129. Rurik says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack
    Let me see if I understand your fantastical 'Zioicon' conspiracy theory correctly. We have three Jews, Nuland, Groysman and Kolomojsky, all giving support to known 'Nazis' in Ukraine? Don't these three individuals know any history and realize that Nazis are responsible for killing millions of Jews during WWII? Don't they realize that if they support the installment of Nazis into the Ukrainian political landscape, this may eventually lead to problems for the Jewish community in Ukraine down the road? Or are you claiming that Nuland, Groysman and Kolomojsky are themselves all Nazis? Certainly, you can see the problem with insisting that Jews themselves would be openly supporting neo-Nazi politicians, now don't you? Your theory seems somewhat discombobulated. So far, putting everything together that you've written, it appears to me that you needn't waste any more time looking for 'Nazis' in the Ukrainian woodwork, you only need to look into a mirror.

    hi hack,

    Or are you claiming that Nuland, Groysman and Kolomojsky are themselves all Nazis?

    (with anamaria’s permission)

    the Jews organizing the neo-Nazis in Ukraine are cynically using them as their bitches to act as a thorn in Putin’s arse because Putin upset their little schemes in the greater Levant.

    The big Jews don’t give a fuck if some little Jews are inconvenienced by some neo-Nazi thugs making Roman salutes. They have bigger fish to fry, and the whole charade is intended to warn Putin from interfering in their little sandbox / Syria. The reason they decided upon using Ukraine for that is because of the long held, and simmering hostilities between the people of Ukraine vs. Russia for the crimes (genocide) during the Soviet regime. Just like John McCain used his little puppet Saakashvili in Georgia for the same reasons.

    so yea, the stooges in Kyiv who’re marching around like Nazis, are being used as bitches by international Jews to foment war. Wars that will benefit the big Zionist Jews greater agenda, by getting Ukrainian and Russian goyim slaughtered, even if a few little Jews also die or are inconvenienced.

    nothing new under the sun

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  130. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack
    Let me see if I understand your fantastical 'Zioicon' conspiracy theory correctly. We have three Jews, Nuland, Groysman and Kolomojsky, all giving support to known 'Nazis' in Ukraine? Don't these three individuals know any history and realize that Nazis are responsible for killing millions of Jews during WWII? Don't they realize that if they support the installment of Nazis into the Ukrainian political landscape, this may eventually lead to problems for the Jewish community in Ukraine down the road? Or are you claiming that Nuland, Groysman and Kolomojsky are themselves all Nazis? Certainly, you can see the problem with insisting that Jews themselves would be openly supporting neo-Nazi politicians, now don't you? Your theory seems somewhat discombobulated. So far, putting everything together that you've written, it appears to me that you needn't waste any more time looking for 'Nazis' in the Ukrainian woodwork, you only need to look into a mirror.

    “Your theory seems somewhat discombobulated.”

    If you want to focus on a theory of “three Jews” the story could look indeed confusing, since the contingent of ziocons supporting the regime change in Ukraine is much larger. As for your rhetorical questions, “Don’t these three individuals know any history and realize that Nazis are responsible for killing millions of Jews during WWII? Don’t they realize that if they support the installment of Nazis into the Ukrainian political landscape, this may eventually lead to problems for the Jewish community in Ukraine down the road?” you should direct the inquiry to the individuals in question.
    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/13/the-mess-that-nuland-made/ : “It wasn’t until July 7 that the Times admitted the importance of the neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists in waging war against ethnic Russian rebels in the east.”
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/05/chronology-of-the-ukrainian-coup/ : ‘What Nuland did not reveal was that her meetings with ‘key Ukrainian stakeholders’ included neo-Nazi Svoboda party leader Oleh Tyahnybok and prime minister wannabe Arsenly Yatsenyuk of the Fatherland Party. … The Svoboda party which has roots with extreme vigilante and anti-semitic groups has since received at least three high-level cabinet posts in the interim government, including deputy prime minister. There is no doubt that the progenies of west Ukraine’s historic neo-fascist thugs that fought with Hitler are now aligned with the US as represented by Victoria Nuland” https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/05/chronology-of-the-ukrainian-coup/

    “The Right Sector’s roots go back to the Ukrainians who fought for Adolf Hitler against the Soviet Union during World War 2. It was the Right Sector that introduced armed fighters and turned the tide of the protests in Kiev from peaceful protests in favor of joining the EU to violent attacks on police… There is a tendency to discount the Right Sector as a small fringe group, but the Right Sector not only took control of the protests away from the Western supported moderates, as moderate leaders themselves admitted but also the Right Sector has enough public support to destroy the national monument to the Red Army soldiers who died liberating Ukraine from Nazi Germany.”
    More for your attention: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/06/13/putin-ukraine-and-what-americans-know/
    Why don’t you do your homework and google “Nuland, Kolomojsky, neo-Nazis, regime change,” and such? Instead of the groundless (and hysterical) personal attacks.

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  131. Mr. Hack says:

    As for your rhetorical questions, “Don’t these three individuals know any history and realize that Nazis are responsible for killing millions of Jews during WWII? Don’t they realize that if they support the installment of Nazis into the Ukrainian political landscape, this may eventually lead to problems for the Jewish community in Ukraine down the road?” you should direct the inquiry to the individuals in question.

    You’re the one trying to make these absurd claims, that Ukrainian Jews are supporting Nazis in Ukraine, and therefore you should be able to validate these claims. If I were able to and actually put these questions to these individuals, they’d rightfully laugh me off the stage. No,I think that you might have better traction peddling these conspiracy theories at the local funny farm. :-)

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    I guess that the facts are intolerable for you. Yes, the US ziocons have been cooperating with Ukrainian neo-Nazis. The presence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine was acknowledged by the US Congress. "The US House of Representatives has passed a bill that prevents the country from arming and training Ukraine's infamously ultra-nationalist Azov Battalion" https://sputniknews.com/politics/201705041053283419-us-congress-ukraine-neonazi/
    The Azov Battalion used to be financed (partially) by Kolomojsky: "Ihor Valeriyovych Kolomoyskyi is a Ukrainian-Cypriot-Israeli business oligarch of Jewish descent... Kolomoyski is a prominent supporter of Ukraine's Jewish community and the president of the United Jewish Community of Ukraine." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihor_Kolomoyskyi
    http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/05/05/in-the-battle-between-ukraine-and-russian-separatists-shady-private-armies-take-the-field/
    "Reports published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCR) have connected the Azov Battalion to alleged war crimes such as mass looting, the use of torture, beatings of detained civilians, the abduction of journalists, electrocution and waterboarding. ... The unit was described as having connections to neo-Nazism, with members wearing neo-Nazi and SS symbols and regalia; the unit has neo-Nazis among its ranks. German ZDF television observed Azov battalion fighters wearing helmets with swastikas and "the 'SS runes' of Hitler's infamous black-uniformed elite corps", and on other occasions some of the soldiers have been reported to have SS tattoos" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion
    , @Anonymous

    absurd claims, that Ukrainian Jews are supporting Nazis in Ukraine
     
    No, the Tribe was never interested in supporting the goyim, as usual.

    The president of Ukraine, Poroshenko, is a Jew, who installed another Jew, Volodymyr Groysman, in 2016 to be the Prime Minister and replace another Jew, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who was in turn installed by Victoria Nuland (you guessed it - a Jew) after the coup. It's kind of funny until you realise that the whole Ukrainian clusterfuck was predicted - and proposed - by Zbigniew Brzezinski (a Jew) ten years before in "The Grand Chessboard".

    Meanwhile, the front line western Ukrainian goyim troops are sporting swastikas on their necks and dying for this carnival troupe. Top kek.

  132. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack

    As for your rhetorical questions, “Don’t these three individuals know any history and realize that Nazis are responsible for killing millions of Jews during WWII? Don’t they realize that if they support the installment of Nazis into the Ukrainian political landscape, this may eventually lead to problems for the Jewish community in Ukraine down the road?” you should direct the inquiry to the individuals in question.
     
    You're the one trying to make these absurd claims, that Ukrainian Jews are supporting Nazis in Ukraine, and therefore you should be able to validate these claims. If I were able to and actually put these questions to these individuals, they'd rightfully laugh me off the stage. No,I think that you might have better traction peddling these conspiracy theories at the local funny farm. :-)

    I guess that the facts are intolerable for you. Yes, the US ziocons have been cooperating with Ukrainian neo-Nazis. The presence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine was acknowledged by the US Congress. “The US House of Representatives has passed a bill that prevents the country from arming and training Ukraine’s infamously ultra-nationalist Azov Battalion” https://sputniknews.com/politics/201705041053283419-us-congress-ukraine-neonazi/
    The Azov Battalion used to be financed (partially) by Kolomojsky: “Ihor Valeriyovych Kolomoyskyi is a Ukrainian-Cypriot-Israeli business oligarch of Jewish descent… Kolomoyski is a prominent supporter of Ukraine’s Jewish community and the president of the United Jewish Community of Ukraine.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihor_Kolomoyskyi

    http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/05/05/in-the-battle-between-ukraine-and-russian-separatists-shady-private-armies-take-the-field/

    “Reports published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCR) have connected the Azov Battalion to alleged war crimes such as mass looting, the use of torture, beatings of detained civilians, the abduction of journalists, electrocution and waterboarding. … The unit was described as having connections to neo-Nazism, with members wearing neo-Nazi and SS symbols and regalia; the unit has neo-Nazis among its ranks. German ZDF television observed Azov battalion fighters wearing helmets with swastikas and “the ‘SS runes’ of Hitler’s infamous black-uniformed elite corps”, and on other occasions some of the soldiers have been reported to have SS tattooshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

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  133. RobinG says:
    @krollchem
    Coming from a natural resource science background I would argue that GDP is not relevant to a sustainable society. The concept of GDP is based on the mythology of ever increasing growth. This has been debunked by the late Dr. Bartlett many years ago:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqcHG7QUK9k

    What is relevant is a sustainable society that maintains soil quality/fertility, water quality, and does not exceed the human carrying capacity of the land. More recently, the concept of doughnut economics encapsulates this:

    Doughnut Economics – Grab a pencil, draw a doughnut!
    https://theminskys.org/doughnut-economics/

    https://www.kateraworth.com/animations/

    Perhaps Russia can delay civilizational collapse by not following the the Western economic growth trap with the fracking, GMOs, water pollution, etc that is destroying what was once the resource rich land of America.

    ps. Another quibble with GDP or PPP measurements is that it does not adequately measure WEALTH generated from the internal economy. See the automatic earth website for a different economic model.

    “Truly prospects for a dynamic, economically growing Russian real economy today is more positive than at any time in the past two centuries or more. I can’t help but feel it would do our world far more in terms of the good to end with the silly losing wars everywhere and return to building up our nations and civilization. The energy of war is a no-brainer. Building up is exciting as China and increasingly Russia realize.”
    F. William Engdahl

    A Tale of Two Nations: Russia vs USA Economic Prospects

    https://journal-neo.org/2017/07/19/a-tale-of-two-nations-russia-vs-usa-economic-prospects/

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    Very interesting. Thank you. https://journal-neo.org/2017/07/19/a-tale-of-two-nations-russia-vs-usa-economic-prospects/
  134. krollchem says:
    @annamaria
    There is a wonderful episode from a famous novel by Ukrainian writer Nikolai Gogol, where an official tells a story of an officer's widow who allegedly whipped herself with a lash.
    According to your fiction (since you have completely omitted the well-established facts of Nuland-Kagan' and Brennan' presence at the key moments of the regime change in Kiev), Russians have arranged the regime change in Kiev themselves - "cut off your nose to spite your face," in short. You have also modestly omitted the fact of the rise of neo-Nazism in Ukraine, courtesy the US State Dept and its ziocon handlers.
    Here is a report from much more reliable source of information than the ziocon-controlled MSM: "Ukraine: Poland trained putchists two months in advance, " by Thierry Meyssan http://www.voltairenet.org/article183373.html
    Repost: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-14/white-house-admits-cia-director-brennan-was-secretly-kiev?page=7 https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/15/the-kagans-are-back-wars-to-follow/

    Thanks, you are more patient than I am with trolls. Always appreciate you information and links.

    Here is a very long video that you may appreciate titled eight month in Ukraine:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSx8HJfBl7U

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  135. Mr. Hack says:

    The presence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine was acknowledged by the US Congress. “The US House of Representatives has passed a bill that prevents the country from arming and training Ukraine’s infamously ultra-nationalist Azov Battalion”

    This goes against all that you’ve been trying to propogate. According to your scenario, ‘Ziocons’, the same ones that are running the show in the US, have been supporting neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine. Yet, here it clearly states, that the Ziocon Empire (the US) will not be supporting this ultra-right Ukrainian fighting battalion. How do you square that one (you can’t!)? Once again your theories seem discombobulated and don’t really make any sense.

    BTW, from the Wikipedia article that you source, it clearly indicates that a least 50% of the fighters within the Azov Battalion originate from Eastern Ukraine. But I thought that Eastern Ukrainians were squarely in Putin’s camp? Go figure:

    More than half of the Battalion members are from eastern Ukraine and speak Russian,[8] and some of its recruits come from the eastern cities of Donetsk and Luhansk.[9]

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    "More than half of the Battalion members are from eastern Ukraine and speak Russian. ... But I thought that Eastern Ukrainians were squarely in Putin’s camp?"
    You mean, when people speak English they are all British?
    , @annamaria
    "...(the US) will not be supporting this ultra-right Ukrainian fighting battalion. How do you square that one (you can’t!)? Once again your theories seem discombobulated and don’t really make any sense."
    Well, you try to convince the readers that there are no neo-Nazis in Ukraine on commanding positions in a government. But they are (courtesy State Dept. -sponsored regime change in Kiev). The US Congress has acknowledged the presence of the neo-Nazis and even decided (for now - one never knows which "freedom fighters" the empire is going to support, see Syria) to stop funding the Ukrainian neo-Nazis. Does this have a sense for you, or still confusing?
  136. @Client 9
    "Now the irony in all this is that a major producer of relatively dirty oil is being accused of targeting an even dirtier and environmentally destructive energy resource, which is fracking"

    We've been Fracking since the early 20th century, there are always risks but overall it is a safe alternative. Time to stop getting our oil from countries who use their wealth to spread terror/sharia, whose only aim is to build a global calipahte.

    Or you know, transition away from oil entirely. Its not like its toxic or anything……

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  137. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Hack

    As for your rhetorical questions, “Don’t these three individuals know any history and realize that Nazis are responsible for killing millions of Jews during WWII? Don’t they realize that if they support the installment of Nazis into the Ukrainian political landscape, this may eventually lead to problems for the Jewish community in Ukraine down the road?” you should direct the inquiry to the individuals in question.
     
    You're the one trying to make these absurd claims, that Ukrainian Jews are supporting Nazis in Ukraine, and therefore you should be able to validate these claims. If I were able to and actually put these questions to these individuals, they'd rightfully laugh me off the stage. No,I think that you might have better traction peddling these conspiracy theories at the local funny farm. :-)

    absurd claims, that Ukrainian Jews are supporting Nazis in Ukraine

    No, the Tribe was never interested in supporting the goyim, as usual.

    The president of Ukraine, Poroshenko, is a Jew, who installed another Jew, Volodymyr Groysman, in 2016 to be the Prime Minister and replace another Jew, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who was in turn installed by Victoria Nuland (you guessed it – a Jew) after the coup. It’s kind of funny until you realise that the whole Ukrainian clusterfuck was predicted – and proposed – by Zbigniew Brzezinski (a Jew) ten years before in “The Grand Chessboard”.

    Meanwhile, the front line western Ukrainian goyim troops are sporting swastikas on their necks and dying for this carnival troupe. Top kek.

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  138. ANONymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Hack
    Let me see if I understand your fantastical 'Zioicon' conspiracy theory correctly. We have three Jews, Nuland, Groysman and Kolomojsky, all giving support to known 'Nazis' in Ukraine? Don't these three individuals know any history and realize that Nazis are responsible for killing millions of Jews during WWII? Don't they realize that if they support the installment of Nazis into the Ukrainian political landscape, this may eventually lead to problems for the Jewish community in Ukraine down the road? Or are you claiming that Nuland, Groysman and Kolomojsky are themselves all Nazis? Certainly, you can see the problem with insisting that Jews themselves would be openly supporting neo-Nazi politicians, now don't you? Your theory seems somewhat discombobulated. So far, putting everything together that you've written, it appears to me that you needn't waste any more time looking for 'Nazis' in the Ukrainian woodwork, you only need to look into a mirror.

    Four Jews.

    There were (at least) four Jews involved: remember Jeff Feltman, Nuland’s man at United Nations, EU f&%ker – in – chief?

    For the rest, Rurik covered it pretty well.

    One might only add that this would not be the first time zionists have worked with or through Nazees to achieve their nastee goals.

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  139. chris says:
    @anon
    It would have few dollars more per gallon and would have been like that since 1950

    Plus, environmentalists would be persecuted like the BDS movement.

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  140. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack

    The presence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine was acknowledged by the US Congress. “The US House of Representatives has passed a bill that prevents the country from arming and training Ukraine’s infamously ultra-nationalist Azov Battalion”
     
    This goes against all that you've been trying to propogate. According to your scenario, 'Ziocons', the same ones that are running the show in the US, have been supporting neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine. Yet, here it clearly states, that the Ziocon Empire (the US) will not be supporting this ultra-right Ukrainian fighting battalion. How do you square that one (you can't!)? Once again your theories seem discombobulated and don't really make any sense.

    BTW, from the Wikipedia article that you source, it clearly indicates that a least 50% of the fighters within the Azov Battalion originate from Eastern Ukraine. But I thought that Eastern Ukrainians were squarely in Putin's camp? Go figure:


    More than half of the Battalion members are from eastern Ukraine and speak Russian,[8] and some of its recruits come from the eastern cities of Donetsk and Luhansk.[9]
     

    “More than half of the Battalion members are from eastern Ukraine and speak Russian. … But I thought that Eastern Ukrainians were squarely in Putin’s camp?”
    You mean, when people speak English they are all British?

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  141. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack

    The presence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine was acknowledged by the US Congress. “The US House of Representatives has passed a bill that prevents the country from arming and training Ukraine’s infamously ultra-nationalist Azov Battalion”
     
    This goes against all that you've been trying to propogate. According to your scenario, 'Ziocons', the same ones that are running the show in the US, have been supporting neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine. Yet, here it clearly states, that the Ziocon Empire (the US) will not be supporting this ultra-right Ukrainian fighting battalion. How do you square that one (you can't!)? Once again your theories seem discombobulated and don't really make any sense.

    BTW, from the Wikipedia article that you source, it clearly indicates that a least 50% of the fighters within the Azov Battalion originate from Eastern Ukraine. But I thought that Eastern Ukrainians were squarely in Putin's camp? Go figure:


    More than half of the Battalion members are from eastern Ukraine and speak Russian,[8] and some of its recruits come from the eastern cities of Donetsk and Luhansk.[9]
     

    “…(the US) will not be supporting this ultra-right Ukrainian fighting battalion. How do you square that one (you can’t!)? Once again your theories seem discombobulated and don’t really make any sense.”
    Well, you try to convince the readers that there are no neo-Nazis in Ukraine on commanding positions in a government. But they are (courtesy State Dept. -sponsored regime change in Kiev). The US Congress has acknowledged the presence of the neo-Nazis and even decided (for now – one never knows which “freedom fighters” the empire is going to support, see Syria) to stop funding the Ukrainian neo-Nazis. Does this have a sense for you, or still confusing?

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    Well, you try to convince the readers that there are no neo-Nazis in Ukraine on commanding positions in a government.
     
    Just to be clear, So WHO EXACTLY are these nefarious neo-Nazis thaat hold 'commanding positions' within the Ukrainian government?
  142. Mr. Hack says:
    @annamaria
    "...(the US) will not be supporting this ultra-right Ukrainian fighting battalion. How do you square that one (you can’t!)? Once again your theories seem discombobulated and don’t really make any sense."
    Well, you try to convince the readers that there are no neo-Nazis in Ukraine on commanding positions in a government. But they are (courtesy State Dept. -sponsored regime change in Kiev). The US Congress has acknowledged the presence of the neo-Nazis and even decided (for now - one never knows which "freedom fighters" the empire is going to support, see Syria) to stop funding the Ukrainian neo-Nazis. Does this have a sense for you, or still confusing?

    Well, you try to convince the readers that there are no neo-Nazis in Ukraine on commanding positions in a government.

    Just to be clear, So WHO EXACTLY are these nefarious neo-Nazis thaat hold ‘commanding positions’ within the Ukrainian government?

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    "WHO EXACTLY are these nefarious neo-Nazis that hold ‘commanding positions’ within the Ukrainian government?"
    Do your homework. This is not a kindergarten.
  143. @geokat62

    As it turns out, there may not have been any discussion of Hillary, though possibly something having to do with irregularities in DNC fundraising surfaced, and there may have been a bit more about the Magnitsky Act and adopting Russian babies.
     
    Speaking of the Magnitsky Act, here is some late-breaking news that, if substantiated, will put a completely different spin on the bogus Russia-gate scandal:

    Russian lawyer Veselnitskaya says Magnitsky act lobbyist Browder behind Trump Jr. scandal

    The scandal concerning the meeting between US President Donald Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr, and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya was orchestrated by Magnitsky act lobbyist William Browder, the lawyer told RT in an exclusive interview.

    "I´m ready to clarify the situation behind this mass hysteria – but only through lawyers or testifying in the Senate," Veselnitskaya told RT.

    “I can only assume that the current situation that has been heated up for ten days or so by now is a a very well-orchestrated story concocted by one particular manipulator – Mr. Browder. He is one of the greatest experts in the field of manipulating mass media,”Veselnitskaya said.

    She went on to say that Browder, who is the founder and CEO of the Hermitage Capital investment company, orchestrated this whole disinformation campaign as revenge for the defeat he suffered in a US court in 2013 from a team of lawyers that included Veselnitskaya.

    “I have absolutely no doubt that this whole information [campaign] is being spun, encouraged and organized by that very man as revenge for the defeat he suffered in court of the Southern State of New York in the ‘Perezvon’ company case,” she said.

    "He wasn't able to convince the court with his lousy human tragedy that actually never happened, about the fate of a dead man - who he only learnt about after his death."

    In 2013, Veselnitskaya was one of the lawyers who represented a Cyprus-based holding company Prevezon, owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, in its defense against allegations of money laundering in a court of the Southern State of New York.

    The case was settled with no admission of guilt by Prevezon.

    Veselnitskaya also said she is now concerned for the safety of her family as it's been revealed that Browder’s team spied on her family's activities even before her meeting with Trump Jr.

    “It’s been revealed that Mr. Browder and his team have been gathering information about my family,” she told RT, adding, that Browder’s team “found photos of my house and sent them to Kyle Parker… a famous man in the House of Representatives, who worked for Mr Browder for many years – and not for any congressmen or congress as a whole.”

    People working for Browder also shared all her personal details with representatives of the State Department, Veselnitskaya said.

    Browder has a long history of hostility against Russia. In 2013, he was sentenced in absentia to nine years in prison for tax evasion. He was also the boss of the late Russian auditor Sergey Magnitsky.

    According to the 2013 court verdict, Browder together with Magnitsky failed to pay over 552 million rubles in taxes (about US$16 million). The businessman was also found guilty of illegally buying shares in the country’s natural gas monopoly, Gazprom, costing Russia at least 3 billion rubles (US$100 million).

    Magnitsky died in pre-trial custody in 2009. His death led to a strain in Russian-American relations. US authorities eventually imposed sanctions against Russian officials they deemed responsible for the auditor’s death by issuing the so-called Magnitsky list in 2012. Browder also lobbied European states to follow Washington’s lead.

    The Magnitsky Act is a 2012 law that allows the United States to seize assets from a number of alleged Russian human rights abusers, as well as barring them from entering the country. Russia retaliated by prohibiting American families from adopting Russian children.

    https://www.rt.com/news/396728-russian-lawyer-scandal-america/
     
    For those who may not recall, Phil previously wrote an excellent article on the sordid Magnitsky Act affair here on Unz. IIRC, Browder managed to get Sen. McCain to stand on the floor of the senate and make a sales pitch (with fancy presentation materials) to convince the rest of the senate to vote in favour of passing the Magnitsky Act, which they did. Hopefully, this story will now begin to unravel like a ball of yarn.

    “Russia retaliated [against the Magnitsky Act of 2012] by prohibiting American families from adopting Russian children.”

    If I recall, a major reason for Russia stopping American adoptions was the Newton and Truong case. That is, because American law offers insufficient protection against predation by degenerates. People in other countries are more familiar with the names Newton and Truong than we are, due to the rigorous self-censorship of our press. Any American journalist knows that if he visited that topic he might be Eich’d out of civilized existence, or at least suffer a major change in standard of living.

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  144. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Well, you try to convince the readers that there are no neo-Nazis in Ukraine on commanding positions in a government.
     
    Just to be clear, So WHO EXACTLY are these nefarious neo-Nazis thaat hold 'commanding positions' within the Ukrainian government?

    “WHO EXACTLY are these nefarious neo-Nazis that hold ‘commanding positions’ within the Ukrainian government?”
    Do your homework. This is not a kindergarten.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    My research indicates that there are no neo-Nazis that hold 'commanding positions' within the current Ukrainian government?...
  145. annamaria says:
    @RobinG

    "Truly prospects for a dynamic, economically growing Russian real economy today is more positive than at any time in the past two centuries or more. I can’t help but feel it would do our world far more in terms of the good to end with the silly losing wars everywhere and return to building up our nations and civilization. The energy of war is a no-brainer. Building up is exciting as China and increasingly Russia realize."
    F. William Engdahl
     
    A Tale of Two Nations: Russia vs USA Economic Prospects
    https://journal-neo.org/2017/07/19/a-tale-of-two-nations-russia-vs-usa-economic-prospects/
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  146. Mr. Hack says:
    @annamaria
    "WHO EXACTLY are these nefarious neo-Nazis that hold ‘commanding positions’ within the Ukrainian government?"
    Do your homework. This is not a kindergarten.

    My research indicates that there are no neo-Nazis that hold ‘commanding positions’ within the current Ukrainian government?…

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    It is obvious for the UNZ readers that you are a troll. Unlike other commenters, I see a silver lining in your (and like your) presence on this forum: Your supposedly child-like insistence on your supposedly child-like "innocent" points (that smack of provocation) helps to recapitulate on the important aspects of the empire's policies.
    For instance, you feign innocence re neo-Nazis in Ukraine and you even insist that you have done a "research." First, you have "overlooked" the articles that were posted for you in the previous correspondence. Second, for a change, here is Huffington Post, a popular site for commenters: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/the-neo-nazi-question-in_b_4938747.html
    This reference is not only for you but for other eager defenders of ziocons, who occasionally come on this site to protest the "antisemitism" of the facts.
    "Andriy Parubiy, the new secretary of Ukraine’s security council, was a co-founder of the Neo-Nazi Social-National Party of Ukraine (SNPU), otherwise known as Svoboda. And his deputy, Dmytro Yarosh, is the leader of a party called the Right Sector which, according to historian Timothy Stanley, “flies the old flag of the Ukrainian Nazi collaborators at its rallies. The highest-ranking right-wing extremist is Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Sych, also a member of Svoboda... The Svoboda party has tapped into Nazi symbolism including the “wolf’s angel“ rune, which resembles a swastika and was worn by members of the Waffen-SS, a panzer division that was declared a criminal organization at Nuremberg. A report from Tel-Aviv University describes the Svoboda party as “an extremist, right-wing, nationalist organization which emphasizes its identification with the ideology of German National Socialism. Last week Per Anders Rudling from Lund University in Sweden, an expert on Ukrainian extremists, told Britain’s Channel 4 News: “A neo-fascist party like Svoboda getting the deputy prime minister position is news in its own right.”
  147. Silverado says:

    Like we don’t do the same kind of “intelligence gathering” things over there?? When it comes to dirty tricks our intelligence agencies are right up there with the best (or worst depending on your outlook) of them. And they have an even longer trail of death and destruction than the Russians. Any govt agency that’s so friendly with their mouthpieces in the nat’l left wing media, which are tainted too, shouldn’t talk too loud and are suspect of all kinds of political hanky-panky and intrigue. It’s a dirty business – no matter which side one’s on.

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  148. I really think the responsible and fair-minded commenters here need to reconsider the feeding of the trolls, people like Mr Hack, attilathehen, Sean, Quartermaster, Wizard of Oz (I’m sure I’ve omitted many others) who just clutter and degrade this website, which is actually their intent. I’m pretty sure it’s not what Ron Unz wants.

    It’s a bit like if we all lived on a lovely street where neighbours exchange friendly greetings, keep an eye out for trouble and keep the houses and gardens nice until a couple of slobbish families move in strewing trash everywhere, inviting rowdy guests over and neglecting the properties so we all join in and do the same. It makes no sense at all and I’m confident that being totally ignored irks them far more than any truthful and logical rejoinder even if links are provided to back up claims.

    These trolls are simply not for turning, click on any one of their histories and that is abundantly clear. If anyone agrees with this perhaps we can remind one another of it as required and the trolls will post less even if they never give up. Best wishes to all those that this is intended for and you know who you are. Cheers.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    Your dishonest pleas for some sort of supposed missing civility is touching, but not really very convincing. What really disturbs you is that someone out there is posting opinions that you find to be opposite to ones that you, in your 'lovely neighborhood', hold dear and near. How dare someone have a differing opinion? He must be a 'troll',why else would he cut against the grain. As long as I'm civil in my tone (and I have been), why bother to censor me and my views? Whatever happened to freedom of speech, I'm sure that Mr. Unz would agree.
    , @geokat62

    I really think the responsible and fair-minded commenters here need to reconsider the feeding of the trolls...I’m pretty sure it’s not what Ron Unz wants.
     
    Previous comment by our host on this topic:

    Actually, I would argue that debating even with obvious “trolls” may have substantial value…

    Consider that over 99% of the readers of this website or the individual comment-threads do not participate as commenters. Therefore, any arguments you make are much better addressed to that large, silent audience of third-party readers than the particular commenter whom you’re engaging. This is the downside of dishonest, stupid, “trollish” behavior. If you reply politely and effectively to such arguments, mustering a great deal of credible evidence, you’ll certainly not convince your silly opponent, but you may convince the hundreds or even thousands of other individuals who read the exchange, either at that time or much later.

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/crunch-time-with-iran/#comment-997627
     
  149. Mr. Hack says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    I really think the responsible and fair-minded commenters here need to reconsider the feeding of the trolls, people like Mr Hack, attilathehen, Sean, Quartermaster, Wizard of Oz (I'm sure I've omitted many others) who just clutter and degrade this website, which is actually their intent. I'm pretty sure it's not what Ron Unz wants.

    It's a bit like if we all lived on a lovely street where neighbours exchange friendly greetings, keep an eye out for trouble and keep the houses and gardens nice until a couple of slobbish families move in strewing trash everywhere, inviting rowdy guests over and neglecting the properties so we all join in and do the same. It makes no sense at all and I'm confident that being totally ignored irks them far more than any truthful and logical rejoinder even if links are provided to back up claims.

    These trolls are simply not for turning, click on any one of their histories and that is abundantly clear. If anyone agrees with this perhaps we can remind one another of it as required and the trolls will post less even if they never give up. Best wishes to all those that this is intended for and you know who you are. Cheers.

    Your dishonest pleas for some sort of supposed missing civility is touching, but not really very convincing. What really disturbs you is that someone out there is posting opinions that you find to be opposite to ones that you, in your ‘lovely neighborhood’, hold dear and near. How dare someone have a differing opinion? He must be a ‘troll’,why else would he cut against the grain. As long as I’m civil in my tone (and I have been), why bother to censor me and my views? Whatever happened to freedom of speech, I’m sure that Mr. Unz would agree.

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    • Replies: @Avery
    { Whatever happened to freedom of speech, I’m sure that Mr. Unz would agree.}

    There is no such thing as ' freedom of speech' at a private site such as UNZ.com. Their moderators can censor you, me, anybody for any reason or no reason at all. First Amendment _only_ applies to the Government.

    And poster [NoseytheDuke] did not ask UNZ.com to restrict your non-existent 'freedom' of speech @unz.com: said poster only asked other posters to ignore youse and others.
  150. geokat62 says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    I really think the responsible and fair-minded commenters here need to reconsider the feeding of the trolls, people like Mr Hack, attilathehen, Sean, Quartermaster, Wizard of Oz (I'm sure I've omitted many others) who just clutter and degrade this website, which is actually their intent. I'm pretty sure it's not what Ron Unz wants.

    It's a bit like if we all lived on a lovely street where neighbours exchange friendly greetings, keep an eye out for trouble and keep the houses and gardens nice until a couple of slobbish families move in strewing trash everywhere, inviting rowdy guests over and neglecting the properties so we all join in and do the same. It makes no sense at all and I'm confident that being totally ignored irks them far more than any truthful and logical rejoinder even if links are provided to back up claims.

    These trolls are simply not for turning, click on any one of their histories and that is abundantly clear. If anyone agrees with this perhaps we can remind one another of it as required and the trolls will post less even if they never give up. Best wishes to all those that this is intended for and you know who you are. Cheers.

    I really think the responsible and fair-minded commenters here need to reconsider the feeding of the trolls…I’m pretty sure it’s not what Ron Unz wants.

    Previous comment by our host on this topic:

    Actually, I would argue that debating even with obvious “trolls” may have substantial value…

    Consider that over 99% of the readers of this website or the individual comment-threads do not participate as commenters. Therefore, any arguments you make are much better addressed to that large, silent audience of third-party readers than the particular commenter whom you’re engaging. This is the downside of dishonest, stupid, “trollish” behavior. If you reply politely and effectively to such arguments, mustering a great deal of credible evidence, you’ll certainly not convince your silly opponent, but you may convince the hundreds or even thousands of other individuals who read the exchange, either at that time or much later.

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/crunch-time-with-iran/#comment-997627

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    Hmmmm, I hadn't known of nor considered that. Thanks Geo.
  151. Avery says:
    @Mr. Hack
    Your dishonest pleas for some sort of supposed missing civility is touching, but not really very convincing. What really disturbs you is that someone out there is posting opinions that you find to be opposite to ones that you, in your 'lovely neighborhood', hold dear and near. How dare someone have a differing opinion? He must be a 'troll',why else would he cut against the grain. As long as I'm civil in my tone (and I have been), why bother to censor me and my views? Whatever happened to freedom of speech, I'm sure that Mr. Unz would agree.

    { Whatever happened to freedom of speech, I’m sure that Mr. Unz would agree.}

    There is no such thing as ‘ freedom of speech’ at a private site such as UNZ.com. Their moderators can censor you, me, anybody for any reason or no reason at all. First Amendment _only_ applies to the Government.

    And poster [NoseytheDuke] did not ask UNZ.com to restrict your non-existent ‘freedom’ of speech @unz.com: said poster only asked other posters to ignore youse and others.

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    • Replies: @geokat62

    There is no such thing as ‘ freedom of speech’ at a private site such as UNZ.com. Their moderators can censor you, me, anybody for any reason or no reason at all.
     
    How right you are. Speaking of censoring, I've just been blacklisted by antiwar.com. The offending post?:

    Great stuff, Skywalker.

    For some reason Justin is a little reluctant to identify what most neocons have in common and what may be the driving force behind their attempts to vilify Putin and start WWIII. He came very close to doing so, however, when he wrote this paragraph:


    "I know where it’s coming from. Tucker’s viewers may not know that Boot is a Russian immigrant, who – like so many of our Russophobic warmongers – arrived on our shores with his hatred of the motherland packed in his suitcase. There’s a whole platoon of them: Cathy Young, who recently released her polemic arguing for a new cold war with Russia in the pages of Reason magazine; Atlantic writer and tweeter of anti-Trump obscenities Julia Ioffe, whose visceral hatred for her homeland is a veritable monomania; Gary Kasparov, the former chess champion who spends most of his energy plotting revenge against Vladimir Putin and a Russian electorate that has consistently rejected his hopeless presidential campaigns, and I could go on but you get the picture."
     
    To help some of his readers connect the dots, here's a little background info on each of these individuals:

    [Max] Boot was born in Moscow. His parents, both Russian Jews, later emigrated from the Soviet Union to Los Angeles, where he was raised.

    [Cathy Young] - ONE DAY in February 1979, a Russian Jew named Ekaterina Jung confided to her 16-year-old classmates in Moscow's Sokolniki District School Number One that her family had decided to emigrate to the United States.

    [Julia] Ioffe was born in Moscow and her family immigrated to the United States in 1990 when Ioffe was 7; they were legal immigrants who according to Ioffe were "fleeing anti-Semitism" in the Soviet Union due to being of Jewish descent.

    [Garry] Kasparov was born Garik Kimovich Weinstein in Baku, Azerbaijan SSR (now Azerbaijan), Soviet Union. His father, Kim Moiseyevich Weinstein, was Russian Jewish, and his mother, Klara Shagenovna Gasparian, was Armenian.

    Lt. Colonel Peters - [He] showed his Zionist colours when espousing in an interview with The Jewish Press the most inane of anti-Muslim and anti-Arab sentiments that would warm the heart of any Jewish zealot. Answering a question he stated that Americans would only sufficiently respond to Islam when there is an increase in Islamic terrorism on American soil. - Zionism, Islam and The West, Kerry Bolton 2015, Black House Publishing Ltd.
     

    So, antiwar.com, supposedly one of the premiere non-interventionist websites, is banning commenters who insist on exposing the ethnic backgrounds of individuals who are keen on stoking the resurgence of Cold War 2 to benefit the villa in the jungle by dismantling the Shia Arc.

    Can't think of a better reason for banning someone who truly believes in non-intervention, can you?

  152. @geokat62

    I really think the responsible and fair-minded commenters here need to reconsider the feeding of the trolls...I’m pretty sure it’s not what Ron Unz wants.
     
    Previous comment by our host on this topic:

    Actually, I would argue that debating even with obvious “trolls” may have substantial value…

    Consider that over 99% of the readers of this website or the individual comment-threads do not participate as commenters. Therefore, any arguments you make are much better addressed to that large, silent audience of third-party readers than the particular commenter whom you’re engaging. This is the downside of dishonest, stupid, “trollish” behavior. If you reply politely and effectively to such arguments, mustering a great deal of credible evidence, you’ll certainly not convince your silly opponent, but you may convince the hundreds or even thousands of other individuals who read the exchange, either at that time or much later.

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/crunch-time-with-iran/#comment-997627
     

    Hmmmm, I hadn’t known of nor considered that. Thanks Geo.

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  153. geokat62 says:
    @Avery
    { Whatever happened to freedom of speech, I’m sure that Mr. Unz would agree.}

    There is no such thing as ' freedom of speech' at a private site such as UNZ.com. Their moderators can censor you, me, anybody for any reason or no reason at all. First Amendment _only_ applies to the Government.

    And poster [NoseytheDuke] did not ask UNZ.com to restrict your non-existent 'freedom' of speech @unz.com: said poster only asked other posters to ignore youse and others.

    There is no such thing as ‘ freedom of speech’ at a private site such as UNZ.com. Their moderators can censor you, me, anybody for any reason or no reason at all.

    How right you are. Speaking of censoring, I’ve just been blacklisted by antiwar.com. The offending post?:

    Great stuff, Skywalker.

    For some reason Justin is a little reluctant to identify what most neocons have in common and what may be the driving force behind their attempts to vilify Putin and start WWIII. He came very close to doing so, however, when he wrote this paragraph:

    “I know where it’s coming from. Tucker’s viewers may not know that Boot is a Russian immigrant, who – like so many of our Russophobic warmongers – arrived on our shores with his hatred of the motherland packed in his suitcase. There’s a whole platoon of them: Cathy Young, who recently released her polemic arguing for a new cold war with Russia in the pages of Reason magazine; Atlantic writer and tweeter of anti-Trump obscenities Julia Ioffe, whose visceral hatred for her homeland is a veritable monomania; Gary Kasparov, the former chess champion who spends most of his energy plotting revenge against Vladimir Putin and a Russian electorate that has consistently rejected his hopeless presidential campaigns, and I could go on but you get the picture.”

    To help some of his readers connect the dots, here’s a little background info on each of these individuals:

    [Max] Boot was born in Moscow. His parents, both Russian Jews, later emigrated from the Soviet Union to Los Angeles, where he was raised.

    [Cathy Young] – ONE DAY in February 1979, a Russian Jew named Ekaterina Jung confided to her 16-year-old classmates in Moscow’s Sokolniki District School Number One that her family had decided to emigrate to the United States.

    [Julia] Ioffe was born in Moscow and her family immigrated to the United States in 1990 when Ioffe was 7; they were legal immigrants who according to Ioffe were “fleeing anti-Semitism” in the Soviet Union due to being of Jewish descent.

    [Garry] Kasparov was born Garik Kimovich Weinstein in Baku, Azerbaijan SSR (now Azerbaijan), Soviet Union. His father, Kim Moiseyevich Weinstein, was Russian Jewish, and his mother, Klara Shagenovna Gasparian, was Armenian.

    Lt. Colonel Peters – [He] showed his Zionist colours when espousing in an interview with The Jewish Press the most inane of anti-Muslim and anti-Arab sentiments that would warm the heart of any Jewish zealot. Answering a question he stated that Americans would only sufficiently respond to Islam when there is an increase in Islamic terrorism on American soil. – Zionism, Islam and The West, Kerry Bolton 2015, Black House Publishing Ltd.

    So, antiwar.com, supposedly one of the premiere non-interventionist websites, is banning commenters who insist on exposing the ethnic backgrounds of individuals who are keen on stoking the resurgence of Cold War 2 to benefit the villa in the jungle by dismantling the Shia Arc.

    Can’t think of a better reason for banning someone who truly believes in non-intervention, can you?

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    Hey, Geo. It's late at night. Where is Alexander (and other ranters about money)? He'd like this conversation between Cynthia McKinney and Catherine Austin Fitts about $$$$$, the Constitution, Deep State elites, and Israel. (More from Fitts is at The Solari Report, solari.com)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPaP8cBdukc&feature=youtu.be
    Just A Taste: Enforce the US Constitution with Dr. Cynthia McKinney
  154. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack
    My research indicates that there are no neo-Nazis that hold 'commanding positions' within the current Ukrainian government?...

    It is obvious for the UNZ readers that you are a troll. Unlike other commenters, I see a silver lining in your (and like your) presence on this forum: Your supposedly child-like insistence on your supposedly child-like “innocent” points (that smack of provocation) helps to recapitulate on the important aspects of the empire’s policies.
    For instance, you feign innocence re neo-Nazis in Ukraine and you even insist that you have done a “research.” First, you have “overlooked” the articles that were posted for you in the previous correspondence. Second, for a change, here is Huffington Post, a popular site for commenters: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/the-neo-nazi-question-in_b_4938747.html
    This reference is not only for you but for other eager defenders of ziocons, who occasionally come on this site to protest the “antisemitism” of the facts.
    “Andriy Parubiy, the new secretary of Ukraine’s security council, was a co-founder of the Neo-Nazi Social-National Party of Ukraine (SNPU), otherwise known as Svoboda. And his deputy, Dmytro Yarosh, is the leader of a party called the Right Sector which, according to historian Timothy Stanley, “flies the old flag of the Ukrainian Nazi collaborators at its rallies. The highest-ranking right-wing extremist is Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Sych, also a member of Svoboda… The Svoboda party has tapped into Nazi symbolism including the “wolf’s angel“ rune, which resembles a swastika and was worn by members of the Waffen-SS, a panzer division that was declared a criminal organization at Nuremberg. A report from Tel-Aviv University describes the Svoboda party as “an extremist, right-wing, nationalist organization which emphasizes its identification with the ideology of German National Socialism. Last week Per Anders Rudling from Lund University in Sweden, an expert on Ukrainian extremists, told Britain’s Channel 4 News: “A neo-fascist party like Svoboda getting the deputy prime minister position is news in its own right.”

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    Blowing smoke again where there's no fire? You've found two individuals with ties to the far-right party of Svoboda? Andriy Parubiy left Svoboda in 2004, more than 13 years ago. Oleksandr Sych, resigned a lower cabinet post in 2014 to pursue other political aspirations.

    Svoboda failed to overcome the 5% threshold in the October 26 parliamentary elections, whereas six of its representatives were elected to the parliament in single-seat constituencies.
     
    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/234059.html

    So, out of 450 Ukrainian representatives, six represent the Svoboda party, that translate into 1% representation. It's commendable that you concentrate so much of your time and energy on a party that cannot muster more that 5% support nationally, and only has a 1% representation in the parliament. BTW, the rest of Europe is littered with similar 'alt-right' political parties that wield a lot more influence in their respective countries than Svoboda does in Ukraine - the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.

    BTW, don't look for me to defend the Svoboda party's usage of NAZI symbolism. I'm not a fan of this party, and like I've already said, am more interested in political currents that represent 97% of the Ukrainian political landscape.

  155. Mr. Hack says:
    @annamaria
    It is obvious for the UNZ readers that you are a troll. Unlike other commenters, I see a silver lining in your (and like your) presence on this forum: Your supposedly child-like insistence on your supposedly child-like "innocent" points (that smack of provocation) helps to recapitulate on the important aspects of the empire's policies.
    For instance, you feign innocence re neo-Nazis in Ukraine and you even insist that you have done a "research." First, you have "overlooked" the articles that were posted for you in the previous correspondence. Second, for a change, here is Huffington Post, a popular site for commenters: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/the-neo-nazi-question-in_b_4938747.html
    This reference is not only for you but for other eager defenders of ziocons, who occasionally come on this site to protest the "antisemitism" of the facts.
    "Andriy Parubiy, the new secretary of Ukraine’s security council, was a co-founder of the Neo-Nazi Social-National Party of Ukraine (SNPU), otherwise known as Svoboda. And his deputy, Dmytro Yarosh, is the leader of a party called the Right Sector which, according to historian Timothy Stanley, “flies the old flag of the Ukrainian Nazi collaborators at its rallies. The highest-ranking right-wing extremist is Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Sych, also a member of Svoboda... The Svoboda party has tapped into Nazi symbolism including the “wolf’s angel“ rune, which resembles a swastika and was worn by members of the Waffen-SS, a panzer division that was declared a criminal organization at Nuremberg. A report from Tel-Aviv University describes the Svoboda party as “an extremist, right-wing, nationalist organization which emphasizes its identification with the ideology of German National Socialism. Last week Per Anders Rudling from Lund University in Sweden, an expert on Ukrainian extremists, told Britain’s Channel 4 News: “A neo-fascist party like Svoboda getting the deputy prime minister position is news in its own right.”

    Blowing smoke again where there’s no fire? You’ve found two individuals with ties to the far-right party of Svoboda? Andriy Parubiy left Svoboda in 2004, more than 13 years ago. Oleksandr Sych, resigned a lower cabinet post in 2014 to pursue other political aspirations.

    Svoboda failed to overcome the 5% threshold in the October 26 parliamentary elections, whereas six of its representatives were elected to the parliament in single-seat constituencies.

    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/234059.html

    So, out of 450 Ukrainian representatives, six represent the Svoboda party, that translate into 1% representation. It’s commendable that you concentrate so much of your time and energy on a party that cannot muster more that 5% support nationally, and only has a 1% representation in the parliament. BTW, the rest of Europe is littered with similar ‘alt-right’ political parties that wield a lot more influence in their respective countries than Svoboda does in Ukraine – the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.

    BTW, don’t look for me to defend the Svoboda party’s usage of NAZI symbolism. I’m not a fan of this party, and like I’ve already said, am more interested in political currents that represent 97% of the Ukrainian political landscape.

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  156. annamaria says:

    Neo-Nazi Svoboda party in Ukraine – “the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.”
    Speak for yourself. You can’t help yourself but insert provocations.

    The story of the US-sponsored coup d’etat in Kiev began with the US ziocons support for Ukrainian neo-Nazis. This simple fact was/is very uncomfortable for you and you avoid it in your “research.” https://nsnbc.me/2014/02/24/us-administration-directly-supports-neo-nazis-ukraine-parliament/
    “Claims that there are no Neo-Nazis in Ukraine and the Ukrainian parliament, and that the USA does not support Fascists, have been rebutted at numerous occasions. … Prof. Michel Chossudovsky, points out that Svoboda, a Neo-Nazi party, is the fourth biggest party in the Ukraine, holding 36 seats out of 450 in parliament. Svoboda is directly supported by Washington.”

    http://humansarefree.com/2014/03/the-us-installed-neo-nazi-government-of.html

    “Andriy Parubiy, a co-founder of the Neo-Nazi Social-National Party of Ukraine (subsequently renamed Svoboda) was appointed Secretary of the National Security and National Defense Committee (RNBOU). He is referred to by the Western media as the “kommandant” of the EuroMaidan movement.
    Dmytro Yarosh, leader of the Right Sector delegation in the parliament, has been appointed Parubiy’s deputy Secretary of the RNBOU. Yarosh was the leader of the Brown Shirt Neo-Nazi paramilitary during the EuroMaidan “protest” movement.
    The Neo Nazi party also controls the judicial process with the appointment of Oleh Makhnitsky of the Svoboda party to the position of prosecutor-general of Ukraine.
    Cabinet positions were also allocated to former members of the Neo-Nazi fringe organization Ukrainian National Assembly – Ukrainian National Self Defense (UNA-UNSO). This is a proxy government which enables the US, NATO and EU to interfere in Ukraine’s internal affairs and dismantle its bilateral relations with the Russian Federation. It should be understood, however, that the Neo-Nazis do not ultimately call the shots: Under a “regime of indirect rule” they take their orders on crucial military and foreign policy issues –including the deployment of troops directed against the Russian federation– from the the US State Department, the Pentagon and NATO.”

    The rise of antisemitism in Ukraine (see my previous posts in response to yours) has been directly related to the ziocons’ collaboration with Ukrainian neo-Nazis during the regime change in 2014. Similar to the perfidious collaboration of US/Israel with the “moderate” Al Qaeda/ISIS “freedom fighters,” the US active cooperation with the neo-Nazis has resulted in the tragic consequences for the ordinary local people.

    Please take this “type of parties” that you “feel quite comfortable in supporting” to your beloved Israel, but spare the suffering country of Ukraine: http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/359770/brazilian-neo-nazis-head-to-ukraine-to-fight-in-civil-war/

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    Neo-Nazi Svoboda party in Ukraine – “the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.”

    If you're going to quote me, then at least be honest enough not to change my wording.What I wrote was:

    Europe is littered with similar ‘alt-right’ political parties that wield a lot more influence in their respective countries than Svoboda does in Ukraine – the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.

     

    The Svoboda party is similar to many alt-right parties in Europe. The type of parties that I think many of UNZ readers can identify with. Why, is characterizing the UNS Review as a gathering point of alt right thinkers really all that controversial?

    I admit that most of the individuals that you've pointed out at one time or another had associations with the Svoboda party. I've also pointed out, that most of these individuals are not currently associated with Svoboda, or no longer have any role in the government. This is 2017,and everything you've cited goes back to 2014, three and a half years ago. I've cited information that indicates that there are currently only 6 representatives in the pariament that belong to the Svoboda party. You indicate that there are 36. I'm looking at the most recent information that shows that because Svoboda did not pass the 5% threshold it doesn't even merit its own separate voting bloc, but is lopped together with 5 other political parties within the 'People's Will' conglomerate. All totaled, these six parties hold 18 positions, with Svoboda holding 7 seats. I was off by 1 figure, you're off by 29. So, you see, you and Mr. Chossudovsky are blowing smoke...because it just aint so annamaria!

    People's Will is a parliamentary group. Parliamentary groups consist of non-partisan deputies or representatives of parties that did not overcome election threshold (i.e. Svoboda, Strong Ukraine, etc.)...Parties that did not pass the 5% threshold of the 2014 Ukrainian parliamentary election, Svoboda (7 seats), Right Sector (1 seat), Strong Ukraine (1 seat), Volia (1 seat), and Zastup (1 seat) are part of non-affiliated.[22] After the 17 July 2016 constituency mid-term elections the parties UKROP and Our Land joined them. 3]/blockquote>

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_Ukrainian_Verkhovna_Rada
     

     
    , @Mr. Hack

    Neo-Nazi Svoboda party in Ukraine – “the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.”
     
    If you're going to quote me, then at least be honest enough not to change my wording.What I wrote was:

    Europe is littered with similar ‘alt-right’ political parties that wield a lot more influence in their respective countries than Svoboda does in Ukraine – the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.

     

    The Svoboda party is similar to many alt-right parties in Europe. The type of parties that I think many of UNZ readers can identify with. Why, is characterizing the UNS Review as a gathering point of alt right thinkers really all that controversial?

    I admit that most of the individuals that you've pointed out at one time or another had associations with the Svoboda party. I've also pointed out, that most of these individuals are not currently associated with Svoboda, or no longer have any role in the government. This is 2017, and everything you've cited goes back to 2014, three and a half years ago. I've cited information that indicates that there are currently only 6 representatives in the pariament that belong to the Svoboda party. You indicate that there are 36. I'm looking at the most recent information that shows that because Svoboda did not pass the 5% threshold it doesn't even merit its own separate voting bloc, but is lopped together with 5 other political parties within the 'People's Will' conglomerate. All totaled, these six parties hold 18 positions, with Svoboda holding 7 seats. I was off by 1 figure, you're off by 29. So, you see, you and Mr. Chossudovsky are blowing smoke...because it just aint so annamaria!


    People's Will is a parliamentary group. Parliamentary groups consist of non-partisan deputies or representatives of parties that did not overcome election threshold (i.e. Svoboda, Strong Ukraine, etc.)...Parties that did not pass the 5% threshold of the 2014 Ukrainian parliamentary election, Svoboda (7 seats), Right Sector (1 seat), Strong Ukraine (1 seat), Volia (1 seat), and Zastup (1 seat) are part of non-affiliated.[22] After the 17 July 2016 constituency mid-term elections the parties UKROP and Our Land joined them. 3]/blockquote>

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_Ukrainian_Verkhovna_Rada
     


     
  157. @Sarah Toga
    Phil,
    What's your beef with hydraulic fracturing?

    Fracking is an enormous boon to humanity, because of the way it alleviates the burden of poverty by reducing fuel costs. The difference between a $150 and a $300/month wintertime home heating bill means very little to me, but for the elderly poor trying to get by on $700/month social security, it could make an enormous difference in quality of life. And, cheaper polymer precursors lower the cost of all kinds of consumer products. My complaint is with the profligate rate at which we are using up our mineral wealth. What’s the big hurry to beggar our posterity? Wouldn’t we rather beggar Saudi Arabia’s posterity first? It’s madness to run baseload power plants on natural gas, the highest grade of fuel, that should go instead to domestic furnaces, clothes dryers and kitchen ranges. Meanwhile, coal combustion has been priced out of the market by envirohysteria. Our great-grandchildren will resent the fact that the era of cheap natural gas is as dead as the passenger pigeon, but screw-em – what has our posterity ever done for us, anyway?

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  158. @Philip Giraldi
    http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/011915/what-are-effects-fracking-environment.asp?lgl=rira-baseline-vertical

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_hydraulic_fracturing_in_the_United_States

    Thanks, I read the links. The Investopedia link was kind of thin. The Wiki article has a good outline of topics.
    I agree the issues of water use quantity and recycling used frac water need to be addressed. Places like the Permian Basin are arid. Farmers in PA and OH should not have to compete with energy giants and pay high prices for water.
    I’ve read that oilfield services companies are devising ways to treat and re-use frac water. That would conserve the H2O and minimize releases of unwanted substances.
    But most of the Wiki article is of a suggestive nature – “there are concerns … studies should be conducted …”
    Where Wiki reports conclusions of research, they typically dispel concerns.
    An example from the “Health Effects” section:
    “In 2011 in Garfield County, Colorado, the U.S. Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry collected air samples at 14 sites, including 8 oil and gas sites, 4 urban background sites, and 2 rural background sites. and detected carcinogens such as benzene, tetrachloroethene, and 1–4 dichlorobenzene at all the sites, both oil and gas sites, and background sites. Benzene was detected at 7 out of 8 oil and gas sites, in all 4 urban areas, and one out of the 2 rural background sites. The compound 1,4-dichlorobezene was detected in 3 out of 8 oil and gas sites, 3 out of 4 urban sites, and 1 out of 2 rural background sites. The benzene concentrations at one of the eight oil and gas sites was identified as cause for concern, because although it was within the acceptable range, it was near the upper limit of the range. The report concluded: “With the exception of the Brock site, these risk estimates do not appear to represent a significant theoretical cancer risk at any of the sites, nor does it appear that that the theoretical cancer risk is elevated at oil and gas development sites as compared to urban or rural background sites.”
    Fracing is a heavy industrial process that needs careful supervision. A good thing is the fracing occurs usually a mile or deeper underground, giving quite a safety barrier for mishaps. And the many regulatory agencies (state, federal) already have eyes on the matter.

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  159. Mr. Hack says: • Website
    @annamaria
    Neo-Nazi Svoboda party in Ukraine - "the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting."
    Speak for yourself. You can't help yourself but insert provocations.

    The story of the US-sponsored coup d'etat in Kiev began with the US ziocons support for Ukrainian neo-Nazis. This simple fact was/is very uncomfortable for you and you avoid it in your "research." https://nsnbc.me/2014/02/24/us-administration-directly-supports-neo-nazis-ukraine-parliament/
    "Claims that there are no Neo-Nazis in Ukraine and the Ukrainian parliament, and that the USA does not support Fascists, have been rebutted at numerous occasions. ... Prof. Michel Chossudovsky, points out that Svoboda, a Neo-Nazi party, is the fourth biggest party in the Ukraine, holding 36 seats out of 450 in parliament. Svoboda is directly supported by Washington."
    http://humansarefree.com/2014/03/the-us-installed-neo-nazi-government-of.html
    "Andriy Parubiy, a co-founder of the Neo-Nazi Social-National Party of Ukraine (subsequently renamed Svoboda) was appointed Secretary of the National Security and National Defense Committee (RNBOU). He is referred to by the Western media as the “kommandant” of the EuroMaidan movement.
    Dmytro Yarosh, leader of the Right Sector delegation in the parliament, has been appointed Parubiy’s deputy Secretary of the RNBOU. Yarosh was the leader of the Brown Shirt Neo-Nazi paramilitary during the EuroMaidan “protest” movement.
    The Neo Nazi party also controls the judicial process with the appointment of Oleh Makhnitsky of the Svoboda party to the position of prosecutor-general of Ukraine.
    Cabinet positions were also allocated to former members of the Neo-Nazi fringe organization Ukrainian National Assembly – Ukrainian National Self Defense (UNA-UNSO). This is a proxy government which enables the US, NATO and EU to interfere in Ukraine’s internal affairs and dismantle its bilateral relations with the Russian Federation. It should be understood, however, that the Neo-Nazis do not ultimately call the shots: Under a “regime of indirect rule” they take their orders on crucial military and foreign policy issues –including the deployment of troops directed against the Russian federation– from the the US State Department, the Pentagon and NATO."

    The rise of antisemitism in Ukraine (see my previous posts in response to yours) has been directly related to the ziocons' collaboration with Ukrainian neo-Nazis during the regime change in 2014. Similar to the perfidious collaboration of US/Israel with the "moderate" Al Qaeda/ISIS "freedom fighters," the US active cooperation with the neo-Nazis has resulted in the tragic consequences for the ordinary local people.

    Please take this "type of parties" that you "feel quite comfortable in supporting" to your beloved Israel, but spare the suffering country of Ukraine: http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/359770/brazilian-neo-nazis-head-to-ukraine-to-fight-in-civil-war/

    Neo-Nazi Svoboda party in Ukraine – “the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.”

    If you’re going to quote me, then at least be honest enough not to change my wording.What I wrote was:

    Europe is littered with similar ‘alt-right’ political parties that wield a lot more influence in their respective countries than Svoboda does in Ukraine – the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.

    The Svoboda party is similar to many alt-right parties in Europe. The type of parties that I think many of UNZ readers can identify with. Why, is characterizing the UNS Review as a gathering point of alt right thinkers really all that controversial?

    I admit that most of the individuals that you’ve pointed out at one time or another had associations with the Svoboda party. I’ve also pointed out, that most of these individuals are not currently associated with Svoboda, or no longer have any role in the government. This is 2017,and everything you’ve cited goes back to 2014, three and a half years ago. I’ve cited information that indicates that there are currently only 6 representatives in the pariament that belong to the Svoboda party. You indicate that there are 36. I’m looking at the most recent information that shows that because Svoboda did not pass the 5% threshold it doesn’t even merit its own separate voting bloc, but is lopped together with 5 other political parties within the ‘People’s Will’ conglomerate. All totaled, these six parties hold 18 positions, with Svoboda holding 7 seats. I was off by 1 figure, you’re off by 29. So, you see, you and Mr. Chossudovsky are blowing smoke…because it just aint so annamaria!

    People’s Will is a parliamentary group. Parliamentary groups consist of non-partisan deputies or representatives of parties that did not overcome election threshold (i.e. Svoboda, Strong Ukraine, etc.)…Parties that did not pass the 5% threshold of the 2014 Ukrainian parliamentary election, Svoboda (7 seats), Right Sector (1 seat), Strong Ukraine (1 seat), Volia (1 seat), and Zastup (1 seat) are part of non-affiliated.[22] After the 17 July 2016 constituency mid-term elections the parties UKROP and Our Land joined them. 3]/blockquote>

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_Ukrainian_Verkhovna_Rada

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  160. Mr. Hack says: • Website
    @annamaria
    Neo-Nazi Svoboda party in Ukraine - "the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting."
    Speak for yourself. You can't help yourself but insert provocations.

    The story of the US-sponsored coup d'etat in Kiev began with the US ziocons support for Ukrainian neo-Nazis. This simple fact was/is very uncomfortable for you and you avoid it in your "research." https://nsnbc.me/2014/02/24/us-administration-directly-supports-neo-nazis-ukraine-parliament/
    "Claims that there are no Neo-Nazis in Ukraine and the Ukrainian parliament, and that the USA does not support Fascists, have been rebutted at numerous occasions. ... Prof. Michel Chossudovsky, points out that Svoboda, a Neo-Nazi party, is the fourth biggest party in the Ukraine, holding 36 seats out of 450 in parliament. Svoboda is directly supported by Washington."
    http://humansarefree.com/2014/03/the-us-installed-neo-nazi-government-of.html
    "Andriy Parubiy, a co-founder of the Neo-Nazi Social-National Party of Ukraine (subsequently renamed Svoboda) was appointed Secretary of the National Security and National Defense Committee (RNBOU). He is referred to by the Western media as the “kommandant” of the EuroMaidan movement.
    Dmytro Yarosh, leader of the Right Sector delegation in the parliament, has been appointed Parubiy’s deputy Secretary of the RNBOU. Yarosh was the leader of the Brown Shirt Neo-Nazi paramilitary during the EuroMaidan “protest” movement.
    The Neo Nazi party also controls the judicial process with the appointment of Oleh Makhnitsky of the Svoboda party to the position of prosecutor-general of Ukraine.
    Cabinet positions were also allocated to former members of the Neo-Nazi fringe organization Ukrainian National Assembly – Ukrainian National Self Defense (UNA-UNSO). This is a proxy government which enables the US, NATO and EU to interfere in Ukraine’s internal affairs and dismantle its bilateral relations with the Russian Federation. It should be understood, however, that the Neo-Nazis do not ultimately call the shots: Under a “regime of indirect rule” they take their orders on crucial military and foreign policy issues –including the deployment of troops directed against the Russian federation– from the the US State Department, the Pentagon and NATO."

    The rise of antisemitism in Ukraine (see my previous posts in response to yours) has been directly related to the ziocons' collaboration with Ukrainian neo-Nazis during the regime change in 2014. Similar to the perfidious collaboration of US/Israel with the "moderate" Al Qaeda/ISIS "freedom fighters," the US active cooperation with the neo-Nazis has resulted in the tragic consequences for the ordinary local people.

    Please take this "type of parties" that you "feel quite comfortable in supporting" to your beloved Israel, but spare the suffering country of Ukraine: http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/359770/brazilian-neo-nazis-head-to-ukraine-to-fight-in-civil-war/

    Neo-Nazi Svoboda party in Ukraine – “the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.”

    If you’re going to quote me, then at least be honest enough not to change my wording.What I wrote was:

    Europe is littered with similar ‘alt-right’ political parties that wield a lot more influence in their respective countries than Svoboda does in Ukraine – the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.

    The Svoboda party is similar to many alt-right parties in Europe. The type of parties that I think many of UNZ readers can identify with. Why, is characterizing the UNS Review as a gathering point of alt right thinkers really all that controversial?

    I admit that most of the individuals that you’ve pointed out at one time or another had associations with the Svoboda party. I’ve also pointed out, that most of these individuals are not currently associated with Svoboda, or no longer have any role in the government. This is 2017, and everything you’ve cited goes back to 2014, three and a half years ago. I’ve cited information that indicates that there are currently only 6 representatives in the pariament that belong to the Svoboda party. You indicate that there are 36. I’m looking at the most recent information that shows that because Svoboda did not pass the 5% threshold it doesn’t even merit its own separate voting bloc, but is lopped together with 5 other political parties within the ‘People’s Will’ conglomerate. All totaled, these six parties hold 18 positions, with Svoboda holding 7 seats. I was off by 1 figure, you’re off by 29. So, you see, you and Mr. Chossudovsky are blowing smoke…because it just aint so annamaria!

    People’s Will is a parliamentary group. Parliamentary groups consist of non-partisan deputies or representatives of parties that did not overcome election threshold (i.e. Svoboda, Strong Ukraine, etc.)…Parties that did not pass the 5% threshold of the 2014 Ukrainian parliamentary election, Svoboda (7 seats), Right Sector (1 seat), Strong Ukraine (1 seat), Volia (1 seat), and Zastup (1 seat) are part of non-affiliated.[22] After the 17 July 2016 constituency mid-term elections the parties UKROP and Our Land joined them. 3]/blockquote>

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_Ukrainian_Verkhovna_Rada

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    1. You are incorrigible: "The Svoboda party is similar to many alt-right parties in Europe. The type of parties that I think many of UNZ readers can identify with." - At least not the "most UNZ readers" as you wrote before. Please don't project your own identification with Svoboda party on UNZ readers. Admire the "Svobodists" at your own peril.

    2. Nice that you agreed that Svoboda party had/has its representatives in the Ukrainian government (https://freeukrainenow.org/tag/svoboda; Wikipedia: "Since 14 April 2016 the Chairman of the Ukrainian Parliament has been Andriy Parubiy, the co-founder of the neo-Nazi 'Social-National Party of Ukraine." You should reread your previous posts where you rejected outright the fact that the regime change in Kiev in 2014 was accomplished in the context of the ziocons' collaboration with the local (and perhaps Polish) neo-Nazis.

    3. Have you noticed the date when Mr. Chossudovsky wrote his article?

    4. Last but not the least: The ziocons' policies - including their amoral benevolent tolerance towards and even cooperation with Ukrainian neo-Nazis - have brought a civil war upon the country and they turned the lives of the ordinary Ukrainians, including the members of the Jewish community, into a hell: See the neo-Nazi parades in various cities of western Ukraine, as well as the sharp increase in the incidence of desecration of Jewish cemeteries and synagogues. Or it is anti-semitic to mention that the ziocons' policies in Ukraine have been disastrous for the general population there?

    Wiktionary: Ziocon (plural Ziocons) - a neoconservative Zionist

  161. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Neo-Nazi Svoboda party in Ukraine – “the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.”
     
    If you're going to quote me, then at least be honest enough not to change my wording.What I wrote was:

    Europe is littered with similar ‘alt-right’ political parties that wield a lot more influence in their respective countries than Svoboda does in Ukraine – the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.

     

    The Svoboda party is similar to many alt-right parties in Europe. The type of parties that I think many of UNZ readers can identify with. Why, is characterizing the UNS Review as a gathering point of alt right thinkers really all that controversial?

    I admit that most of the individuals that you've pointed out at one time or another had associations with the Svoboda party. I've also pointed out, that most of these individuals are not currently associated with Svoboda, or no longer have any role in the government. This is 2017, and everything you've cited goes back to 2014, three and a half years ago. I've cited information that indicates that there are currently only 6 representatives in the pariament that belong to the Svoboda party. You indicate that there are 36. I'm looking at the most recent information that shows that because Svoboda did not pass the 5% threshold it doesn't even merit its own separate voting bloc, but is lopped together with 5 other political parties within the 'People's Will' conglomerate. All totaled, these six parties hold 18 positions, with Svoboda holding 7 seats. I was off by 1 figure, you're off by 29. So, you see, you and Mr. Chossudovsky are blowing smoke...because it just aint so annamaria!


    People's Will is a parliamentary group. Parliamentary groups consist of non-partisan deputies or representatives of parties that did not overcome election threshold (i.e. Svoboda, Strong Ukraine, etc.)...Parties that did not pass the 5% threshold of the 2014 Ukrainian parliamentary election, Svoboda (7 seats), Right Sector (1 seat), Strong Ukraine (1 seat), Volia (1 seat), and Zastup (1 seat) are part of non-affiliated.[22] After the 17 July 2016 constituency mid-term elections the parties UKROP and Our Land joined them. 3]/blockquote>

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_Ukrainian_Verkhovna_Rada
     


     

    1. You are incorrigible: “The Svoboda party is similar to many alt-right parties in Europe. The type of parties that I think many of UNZ readers can identify with.” – At least not the “most UNZ readers” as you wrote before. Please don’t project your own identification with Svoboda party on UNZ readers. Admire the “Svobodists” at your own peril.

    2. Nice that you agreed that Svoboda party had/has its representatives in the Ukrainian government (https://freeukrainenow.org/tag/svoboda; Wikipedia: “Since 14 April 2016 the Chairman of the Ukrainian Parliament has been Andriy Parubiy, the co-founder of the neo-Nazi ‘Social-National Party of Ukraine.” You should reread your previous posts where you rejected outright the fact that the regime change in Kiev in 2014 was accomplished in the context of the ziocons’ collaboration with the local (and perhaps Polish) neo-Nazis.

    3. Have you noticed the date when Mr. Chossudovsky wrote his article?

    4. Last but not the least: The ziocons’ policies – including their amoral benevolent tolerance towards and even cooperation with Ukrainian neo-Nazis – have brought a civil war upon the country and they turned the lives of the ordinary Ukrainians, including the members of the Jewish community, into a hell: See the neo-Nazi parades in various cities of western Ukraine, as well as the sharp increase in the incidence of desecration of Jewish cemeteries and synagogues. Or it is anti-semitic to mention that the ziocons’ policies in Ukraine have been disastrous for the general population there?

    Wiktionary: Ziocon (plural Ziocons) – a neoconservative Zionist

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  162. Mr. Hack says:

    3

    . Have you noticed the date when Mr. Chossudovsky wrote his article?

    Yep, I sure have. The article that you rely so heavily on was first published in Global Research on March 4, 2014, and then for some inexpicable reason it was reprinted on March 4, 2017. A lot has transpired in the interceding 3 years, and you seem to have relapsed into a time warp and you don’t seem to be able to move forward. Try rapping your mind around this one, as we speak, there are 7 Svoboda representatives within the Ukrainian prliament, 1% of the total of 450 representatives. It’s halfway through 2017 now, and at the moment the Svoboda party is inconsequential with little or no direct input into any policies made in Ukraine today. It’s 2017, not 2014, get it?

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    Yes, the reprinted article was originally printed in 2014. Then why have you attacked the courageous Chussidovsky - because of your own neglect?
    Actually, my posts relied on "heavily" on many other sources; the Chussidovsky's article was quoted only once. The main point of my posts was the involvement of ziocons in the destruction and desecration of Ukraine (which you tried strenuously to deny). At least, you have finally admitted that the US government has been cooperating with Ukrainian neo-Nazis.
    The pernicious influence of ziocons affects the US internal policies as well: https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/
    "THE CRIMINALIZATION OF political speech and activism against Israel has become one of the gravest threats to free speech in the West."
  163. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack
    3

    . Have you noticed the date when Mr. Chossudovsky wrote his article?
     
    Yep, I sure have. The article that you rely so heavily on was first published in Global Research on March 4, 2014, and then for some inexpicable reason it was reprinted on March 4, 2017. A lot has transpired in the interceding 3 years, and you seem to have relapsed into a time warp and you don't seem to be able to move forward. Try rapping your mind around this one, as we speak, there are 7 Svoboda representatives within the Ukrainian prliament, 1% of the total of 450 representatives. It's halfway through 2017 now, and at the moment the Svoboda party is inconsequential with little or no direct input into any policies made in Ukraine today. It's 2017, not 2014, get it?

    Yes, the reprinted article was originally printed in 2014. Then why have you attacked the courageous Chussidovsky – because of your own neglect?
    Actually, my posts relied on “heavily” on many other sources; the Chussidovsky’s article was quoted only once. The main point of my posts was the involvement of ziocons in the destruction and desecration of Ukraine (which you tried strenuously to deny). At least, you have finally admitted that the US government has been cooperating with Ukrainian neo-Nazis.
    The pernicious influence of ziocons affects the US internal policies as well: https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/
    “THE CRIMINALIZATION OF political speech and activism against Israel has become one of the gravest threats to free speech in the West.”

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  164. Mr. Hack says:

    Yes, the reprinted article was originally printed in 2014. Then why have you attacked the courageous Chussidovsky – because of your own neglect?

    I was mostly critical of you, for relying on dated information that no longer reflected accurate realities in Ukraine 3 years on. Chussodovsky could be criticized for reprinting the article, and not giving an update on the situation. He was able to deceive you, who hadn’t noticed that the information was now dated and 3 years old.

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    'I was mostly critical of you'
    Sure, let's go to the beginning of our exchange. You write, "No comment regarding the obtrusive and deadly amalgamation of FSB personnel in Ukraine during these events?"

    You went into a fit re the principled and courageous Chussidovsky because you missed the original date of publication of the Chossudovsky article, and yet you were comfortable to promoting the lies.
    "These events" were played according to a protocol of regime change, which was finessed by the US through many other regime changes (you could google the exact number of US-sponsored regime changes and other "humanitarian Interventions").

    You also write about the regime change in Ukraine, "...a movement that was homegrown from the very beginning and till the bitter end." This is not just naivete - this is pernicious propaganda in support for ziocon policies in Ukraine and elsewhere. Whether Ukraine, or Libya, or Syria, the ziocons love to trumpet about the supposedly "homegrown" movements. And then one of the ziocons, like the odious Nuland-Kagan, steps up and reveals that a certain number of billions of dollars was dedicated to - guess what? - to the "promotion of democracy" in a poor victim. How much was invested in Ukraine? - some $5 billions? ($5.000.000.000 - never mind; just a pocket change for the deciders - though from the US citizenry' pockets, of course). Here is the "promotion of democracy' and "homegrown movement" in Syria: http://www.voltairenet.org/en

  165. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    There is no such thing as ‘ freedom of speech’ at a private site such as UNZ.com. Their moderators can censor you, me, anybody for any reason or no reason at all.
     
    How right you are. Speaking of censoring, I've just been blacklisted by antiwar.com. The offending post?:

    Great stuff, Skywalker.

    For some reason Justin is a little reluctant to identify what most neocons have in common and what may be the driving force behind their attempts to vilify Putin and start WWIII. He came very close to doing so, however, when he wrote this paragraph:


    "I know where it’s coming from. Tucker’s viewers may not know that Boot is a Russian immigrant, who – like so many of our Russophobic warmongers – arrived on our shores with his hatred of the motherland packed in his suitcase. There’s a whole platoon of them: Cathy Young, who recently released her polemic arguing for a new cold war with Russia in the pages of Reason magazine; Atlantic writer and tweeter of anti-Trump obscenities Julia Ioffe, whose visceral hatred for her homeland is a veritable monomania; Gary Kasparov, the former chess champion who spends most of his energy plotting revenge against Vladimir Putin and a Russian electorate that has consistently rejected his hopeless presidential campaigns, and I could go on but you get the picture."
     
    To help some of his readers connect the dots, here's a little background info on each of these individuals:

    [Max] Boot was born in Moscow. His parents, both Russian Jews, later emigrated from the Soviet Union to Los Angeles, where he was raised.

    [Cathy Young] - ONE DAY in February 1979, a Russian Jew named Ekaterina Jung confided to her 16-year-old classmates in Moscow's Sokolniki District School Number One that her family had decided to emigrate to the United States.

    [Julia] Ioffe was born in Moscow and her family immigrated to the United States in 1990 when Ioffe was 7; they were legal immigrants who according to Ioffe were "fleeing anti-Semitism" in the Soviet Union due to being of Jewish descent.

    [Garry] Kasparov was born Garik Kimovich Weinstein in Baku, Azerbaijan SSR (now Azerbaijan), Soviet Union. His father, Kim Moiseyevich Weinstein, was Russian Jewish, and his mother, Klara Shagenovna Gasparian, was Armenian.

    Lt. Colonel Peters - [He] showed his Zionist colours when espousing in an interview with The Jewish Press the most inane of anti-Muslim and anti-Arab sentiments that would warm the heart of any Jewish zealot. Answering a question he stated that Americans would only sufficiently respond to Islam when there is an increase in Islamic terrorism on American soil. - Zionism, Islam and The West, Kerry Bolton 2015, Black House Publishing Ltd.
     

    So, antiwar.com, supposedly one of the premiere non-interventionist websites, is banning commenters who insist on exposing the ethnic backgrounds of individuals who are keen on stoking the resurgence of Cold War 2 to benefit the villa in the jungle by dismantling the Shia Arc.

    Can't think of a better reason for banning someone who truly believes in non-intervention, can you?

    Hey, Geo. It’s late at night. Where is Alexander (and other ranters about money)? He’d like this conversation between Cynthia McKinney and Catherine Austin Fitts about $$$$$, the Constitution, Deep State elites, and Israel. (More from Fitts is at The Solari Report, solari.com)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPaP8cBdukc&feature=youtu.be

    Just A Taste: Enforce the US Constitution with Dr. Cynthia McKinney

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  166. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Yes, the reprinted article was originally printed in 2014. Then why have you attacked the courageous Chussidovsky – because of your own neglect?
     
    I was mostly critical of you, for relying on dated information that no longer reflected accurate realities in Ukraine 3 years on. Chussodovsky could be criticized for reprinting the article, and not giving an update on the situation. He was able to deceive you, who hadn't noticed that the information was now dated and 3 years old.

    ‘I was mostly critical of you’
    Sure, let’s go to the beginning of our exchange. You write, “No comment regarding the obtrusive and deadly amalgamation of FSB personnel in Ukraine during these events?”

    You went into a fit re the principled and courageous Chussidovsky because you missed the original date of publication of the Chossudovsky article, and yet you were comfortable to promoting the lies.
    “These events” were played according to a protocol of regime change, which was finessed by the US through many other regime changes (you could google the exact number of US-sponsored regime changes and other “humanitarian Interventions”).

    You also write about the regime change in Ukraine, “…a movement that was homegrown from the very beginning and till the bitter end.” This is not just naivete – this is pernicious propaganda in support for ziocon policies in Ukraine and elsewhere. Whether Ukraine, or Libya, or Syria, the ziocons love to trumpet about the supposedly “homegrown” movements. And then one of the ziocons, like the odious Nuland-Kagan, steps up and reveals that a certain number of billions of dollars was dedicated to – guess what? – to the “promotion of democracy” in a poor victim. How much was invested in Ukraine? – some $5 billions? ($5.000.000.000 – never mind; just a pocket change for the deciders – though from the US citizenry’ pockets, of course). Here is the “promotion of democracy’ and “homegrown movement” in Syria: http://www.voltairenet.org/en

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    You also write about the regime change in Ukraine, “…a movement that was homegrown from the very beginning and till the bitter end.” This is not just naivete – this is pernicious propaganda in support for ziocon policies in Ukraine and elsewhere.
     
    Of course it was homegrown. And nobody is denying that the US sent in its own moral support agents once things had got to a certain point. But the movement was homegrown, people were dissatisfied with the corruption that was endemic within the Yanukovyvh regime. No amount of Nuland's cookies and milk could have insured that hundreds of thousands of protesters would brave the cold weather and physical violence endured by the security services. If you have eyes and ears, see for yourself the fierce sense of Ukrainian patiotism evident on film for history to judge, the 'Revolution of Dignity':

    https://youtu.be/3vVWxoL8cS8
  167. TG says:

    ‘The highly respectable Sierra Club’ – I must disagree.

    The Sierra Club used to be against government policies that encouraged rapid population growth, because it is rapid population growth that is the dominant source of environmental degradation. Then a billionaire with an arguable stake in cheap labor bribed the leadership of the Sierra Club, and now their party line is that governmentally-forced or -encouraged rapid population growth has no impact on the environment. (Check out “Sierrans for Population Stabilization” for the full story).

    This about-face for the Sierra Club on population did not come about by careful analysis or reasoned debate, but because the leadership had been bribed. While the primary reason was to help stifle criticism of the ongoing US cheap-labor immigration policy, the global impact has been massive: the Sierra Club can no longer voice coherent arguments against for instance the Syrian government’s policy of banning birth control and propagandizing that it was every woman’s patriotic duty to have six kids each – a policy that resulted in that small arid country running out of water and, I think, was a primary underlying cause for much of the recent misery there.

    But I digress a bit. The Sierra Club has a documented history of changing its official position on matters of substance for cash donations. That’s not a guess, it’s a fact. Whether this happened on other matters like fracking I cannot say, but I would certainly not call them respectable, not anymore.

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  168. Mr. Hack says:
    @annamaria
    'I was mostly critical of you'
    Sure, let's go to the beginning of our exchange. You write, "No comment regarding the obtrusive and deadly amalgamation of FSB personnel in Ukraine during these events?"

    You went into a fit re the principled and courageous Chussidovsky because you missed the original date of publication of the Chossudovsky article, and yet you were comfortable to promoting the lies.
    "These events" were played according to a protocol of regime change, which was finessed by the US through many other regime changes (you could google the exact number of US-sponsored regime changes and other "humanitarian Interventions").

    You also write about the regime change in Ukraine, "...a movement that was homegrown from the very beginning and till the bitter end." This is not just naivete - this is pernicious propaganda in support for ziocon policies in Ukraine and elsewhere. Whether Ukraine, or Libya, or Syria, the ziocons love to trumpet about the supposedly "homegrown" movements. And then one of the ziocons, like the odious Nuland-Kagan, steps up and reveals that a certain number of billions of dollars was dedicated to - guess what? - to the "promotion of democracy" in a poor victim. How much was invested in Ukraine? - some $5 billions? ($5.000.000.000 - never mind; just a pocket change for the deciders - though from the US citizenry' pockets, of course). Here is the "promotion of democracy' and "homegrown movement" in Syria: http://www.voltairenet.org/en

    You also write about the regime change in Ukraine, “…a movement that was homegrown from the very beginning and till the bitter end.” This is not just naivete – this is pernicious propaganda in support for ziocon policies in Ukraine and elsewhere.

    Of course it was homegrown. And nobody is denying that the US sent in its own moral support agents once things had got to a certain point. But the movement was homegrown, people were dissatisfied with the corruption that was endemic within the Yanukovyvh regime. No amount of Nuland’s cookies and milk could have insured that hundreds of thousands of protesters would brave the cold weather and physical violence endured by the security services. If you have eyes and ears, see for yourself the fierce sense of Ukrainian patiotism evident on film for history to judge, the ‘Revolution of Dignity’:

    https://youtu.be/3vVWxoL8cS8

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    "..nobody is denying that the US sent in its own moral support agents..."

    You are funny. Nuland-Kagan gave you the number - $5.000.000.000- and you are making gentle noises about "moral support."

    Would you like if some stranger (with an eye on your possessions) comes to your house to teach you how to treat your mom & dad? You are cheerleading for the supremely wise State dept/CIA that “always know better” and thus "have the right" to redo any established democratic procedures. (Iraq, Libya, Syria? – have you heard about this formerly functioning states that were “remodeled” and “improved” by the "moral support” from US?)

    "...the corruption that was endemic within the Yanukovyvh regime."
    Well. The corruption was endemic within the Obama regime. The corruption was endemic within the Bush regime.... Just a little lesson for you: currenty, the Pentagon cannot account for $6 trillion. Would you qualify this as a corruption? Would you like if some Russia or Germany or Venezuela send their emissaries from their State Depts and secret services to install a "proper" president to your country of residence? Please tell us about the crystal-clear souls in the current Ukrainian government. According to you, after Yanukovyvh was gone, there is no corruption in Ukraine. Is this true?

    , @RobinG
    Mr. Hasbara: "...nobody is denying that the US sent in its own moral support agents once things had got to a certain point."

    "...to a certain point?" The agents were firmly in place at least 2 years before: "TechCamp Kyiv 2012" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpIoBUDuL3U


    Mr. Hasbara must be rubbing his hands together in Tel Aviv while Soros-funded #resist Color Revolution unfolds in US, pink pussy rioters take to the streets, and the Congress submits to abrogation of Constitutional rights - starting with Freedom of Speech.

    Meanwhile, American patriots, take note of how they did it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1F_E1splZg
    US TECH CAMPS in Ukraine Coup

  169. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack

    You also write about the regime change in Ukraine, “…a movement that was homegrown from the very beginning and till the bitter end.” This is not just naivete – this is pernicious propaganda in support for ziocon policies in Ukraine and elsewhere.
     
    Of course it was homegrown. And nobody is denying that the US sent in its own moral support agents once things had got to a certain point. But the movement was homegrown, people were dissatisfied with the corruption that was endemic within the Yanukovyvh regime. No amount of Nuland's cookies and milk could have insured that hundreds of thousands of protesters would brave the cold weather and physical violence endured by the security services. If you have eyes and ears, see for yourself the fierce sense of Ukrainian patiotism evident on film for history to judge, the 'Revolution of Dignity':

    https://youtu.be/3vVWxoL8cS8

    “..nobody is denying that the US sent in its own moral support agents…”

    You are funny. Nuland-Kagan gave you the number – $5.000.000.000- and you are making gentle noises about “moral support.”

    Would you like if some stranger (with an eye on your possessions) comes to your house to teach you how to treat your mom & dad? You are cheerleading for the supremely wise State dept/CIA that “always know better” and thus “have the right” to redo any established democratic procedures. (Iraq, Libya, Syria? – have you heard about this formerly functioning states that were “remodeled” and “improved” by the “moral support” from US?)

    “…the corruption that was endemic within the Yanukovyvh regime.”
    Well. The corruption was endemic within the Obama regime. The corruption was endemic within the Bush regime…. Just a little lesson for you: currenty, the Pentagon cannot account for $6 trillion. Would you qualify this as a corruption? Would you like if some Russia or Germany or Venezuela send their emissaries from their State Depts and secret services to install a “proper” president to your country of residence? Please tell us about the crystal-clear souls in the current Ukrainian government. According to you, after Yanukovyvh was gone, there is no corruption in Ukraine. Is this true?

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    Wow! what a revelation: there's corruption going on around the whole world, including the US. So, why loose any sleep over Ukrainians that were willing to do something about one of the worst corrupt leaders at that time? If Poroshenko doesn't get his act together, he may be next! At least in the US, many criminal politicians and white collar no gooders end up in prison. Not so in Russia and Ukraine. Just take a close look at all of the federal and state politicians who are in prison today, since 2010:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes

    Show me a similar list of malfeasers in either Russia or Ukraine?

  170. Mr. Hack says:
    @annamaria
    "..nobody is denying that the US sent in its own moral support agents..."

    You are funny. Nuland-Kagan gave you the number - $5.000.000.000- and you are making gentle noises about "moral support."

    Would you like if some stranger (with an eye on your possessions) comes to your house to teach you how to treat your mom & dad? You are cheerleading for the supremely wise State dept/CIA that “always know better” and thus "have the right" to redo any established democratic procedures. (Iraq, Libya, Syria? – have you heard about this formerly functioning states that were “remodeled” and “improved” by the "moral support” from US?)

    "...the corruption that was endemic within the Yanukovyvh regime."
    Well. The corruption was endemic within the Obama regime. The corruption was endemic within the Bush regime.... Just a little lesson for you: currenty, the Pentagon cannot account for $6 trillion. Would you qualify this as a corruption? Would you like if some Russia or Germany or Venezuela send their emissaries from their State Depts and secret services to install a "proper" president to your country of residence? Please tell us about the crystal-clear souls in the current Ukrainian government. According to you, after Yanukovyvh was gone, there is no corruption in Ukraine. Is this true?

    Wow! what a revelation: there’s corruption going on around the whole world, including the US. So, why loose any sleep over Ukrainians that were willing to do something about one of the worst corrupt leaders at that time? If Poroshenko doesn’t get his act together, he may be next! At least in the US, many criminal politicians and white collar no gooders end up in prison. Not so in Russia and Ukraine. Just take a close look at all of the federal and state politicians who are in prison today, since 2010:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes

    Show me a similar list of malfeasers in either Russia or Ukraine?

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    "If Poroshenko doesn’t get his act together, he may be next!"

    Something tells me that you are not going to risk your life on the barricades. How much time was left before the election in Ukraine when Nuland-Kagan & Co pushed for the regime change -- some 2-3 months? Considering the available historical documents re the consequence of revolutions for the ordinary people, only a teenager with a poor self-control or a provocateur with an agenda would cheerlead for another revolution in Ukraine, particularly when some democratic mechanisms are (and were in 2014) still available.
    And then you posted this ridiculous spiel by a puppet from State Dept.:
    "Since Ukraine’s independence in 1991, the United States has supported Ukrainians as they build democratic skills and institutions, as they promote civic participation and good governance..." -- Don't you like the results of the 26 years of the US "helping"? Perhaps you are not aware that the US is in the most cordial relationships with the Kingdom of Saud, the main sponsor of terrorism (after the US). There was even a Miracle of Passports after 9/11, when the immaculate IDs for 14 Saudis (out of 19 high-jackers) were found among the debris of WTC towers and No 7. There were also the jubilant Israeli art students who had been whisked swiftly away from the US to the safety of Israel. These ominous signs produced no adverse influence on the US relationships with either Saudi or Israel. "Support the troops," in short.
    Look, the US has never bothered with democracy when the absence of democracy and even the most bloody dictatorships suited the US interests. The US needs a festering wound on the border with Russia, the ordinary Ukrainians be damned. Ukraine had lost her independence in 2014. Monsanto et al are welcome.
    Here is a general observation: Your sanctimonious posts don't sound right. First, you produced some insinuations of an obscure Ukrainian politician who "discovered" that Russians did Maidan. Then you tried to reject the facts of the neo-Nazis' involvement in Maidan revolution and beyond (up to their direct representation in the current Ukrainian government). Then you cited the corruption of the former Ukrainian president as the main reason for his bloody removal (100 people died in Kiev and thousands more died in East Ukraine, the absolute majority of the victims are civilians); and then, in the same breath, you proclaimed that "corruption going on around the whole world." This contortionist style could be OK for the "experts" at the Atlantic Council, but this forum is no AC.

  171. Mr. Hack says:

    You are funny. Nuland-Kagan gave you the number – $5.000.000.000- and you are making gentle noises about “moral support.”

    Not quite as funny as you are though. The five billion figure was not some sort of secret slush fund used to topple the noble Yanukovych clan from power, but an amount used to aid all sorts of needy project in Ukraine over a 20 year period. The amount was not unusual as the US spends these sorts of funds in its relations with many,many countries around the world every year:

    Since Ukraine’s independence in 1991, the United States has supported Ukrainians as they build democratic skills and institutions, as they promote civic participation and good governance, all of which are preconditions for Ukraine to achieve its European aspirations,” she said. “We have invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine.”..The insinuation that the United States incited the people of Ukraine to riot or rebel is patently false,” said Nicole Thompson, a State Department spokeswoman…About $2.4 billion went to programs promoting peace and security, which could include military assistance, border security, human trafficking issues, international narcotics abatement and law enforcement interdiction, Thompson said. More money went to categories with the objectives of “governing justly and democratically” ($800 million), “investing in people” ($400 million), economic growth ($1.1 billion), and humanitarian assistance ($300 million)…Contrary to claims, the United States did not spend $5 billion to incite the rebellion in Ukraine.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/united-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm/

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  172. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Hack
    Wow! what a revelation: there's corruption going on around the whole world, including the US. So, why loose any sleep over Ukrainians that were willing to do something about one of the worst corrupt leaders at that time? If Poroshenko doesn't get his act together, he may be next! At least in the US, many criminal politicians and white collar no gooders end up in prison. Not so in Russia and Ukraine. Just take a close look at all of the federal and state politicians who are in prison today, since 2010:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes

    Show me a similar list of malfeasers in either Russia or Ukraine?

    “If Poroshenko doesn’t get his act together, he may be next!”

    Something tells me that you are not going to risk your life on the barricades. How much time was left before the election in Ukraine when Nuland-Kagan & Co pushed for the regime change — some 2-3 months? Considering the available historical documents re the consequence of revolutions for the ordinary people, only a teenager with a poor self-control or a provocateur with an agenda would cheerlead for another revolution in Ukraine, particularly when some democratic mechanisms are (and were in 2014) still available.
    And then you posted this ridiculous spiel by a puppet from State Dept.:
    “Since Ukraine’s independence in 1991, the United States has supported Ukrainians as they build democratic skills and institutions, as they promote civic participation and good governance…” — Don’t you like the results of the 26 years of the US “helping”? Perhaps you are not aware that the US is in the most cordial relationships with the Kingdom of Saud, the main sponsor of terrorism (after the US). There was even a Miracle of Passports after 9/11, when the immaculate IDs for 14 Saudis (out of 19 high-jackers) were found among the debris of WTC towers and No 7. There were also the jubilant Israeli art students who had been whisked swiftly away from the US to the safety of Israel. These ominous signs produced no adverse influence on the US relationships with either Saudi or Israel. “Support the troops,” in short.
    Look, the US has never bothered with democracy when the absence of democracy and even the most bloody dictatorships suited the US interests. The US needs a festering wound on the border with Russia, the ordinary Ukrainians be damned. Ukraine had lost her independence in 2014. Monsanto et al are welcome.
    Here is a general observation: Your sanctimonious posts don’t sound right. First, you produced some insinuations of an obscure Ukrainian politician who “discovered” that Russians did Maidan. Then you tried to reject the facts of the neo-Nazis’ involvement in Maidan revolution and beyond (up to their direct representation in the current Ukrainian government). Then you cited the corruption of the former Ukrainian president as the main reason for his bloody removal (100 people died in Kiev and thousands more died in East Ukraine, the absolute majority of the victims are civilians); and then, in the same breath, you proclaimed that “corruption going on around the whole world.” This contortionist style could be OK for the “experts” at the Atlantic Council, but this forum is no AC.

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    Don’t you like the results of the 26 years of the US “helping”?
     
    Sure beats over 400 years of Russia 'helping'! :-(
  173. RobinG says:
    @Mr. Hack

    You also write about the regime change in Ukraine, “…a movement that was homegrown from the very beginning and till the bitter end.” This is not just naivete – this is pernicious propaganda in support for ziocon policies in Ukraine and elsewhere.
     
    Of course it was homegrown. And nobody is denying that the US sent in its own moral support agents once things had got to a certain point. But the movement was homegrown, people were dissatisfied with the corruption that was endemic within the Yanukovyvh regime. No amount of Nuland's cookies and milk could have insured that hundreds of thousands of protesters would brave the cold weather and physical violence endured by the security services. If you have eyes and ears, see for yourself the fierce sense of Ukrainian patiotism evident on film for history to judge, the 'Revolution of Dignity':

    https://youtu.be/3vVWxoL8cS8

    Mr. Hasbara: “…nobody is denying that the US sent in its own moral support agents once things had got to a certain point.”

    “…to a certain point?” The agents were firmly in place at least 2 years before: “TechCamp Kyiv 2012″ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpIoBUDuL3U

    Mr. Hasbara must be rubbing his hands together in Tel Aviv while Soros-funded #resist Color Revolution unfolds in US, pink pussy rioters take to the streets, and the Congress submits to abrogation of Constitutional rights – starting with Freedom of Speech.

    Meanwhile, American patriots, take note of how they did it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1F_E1splZg

    US TECH CAMPS in Ukraine Coup

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    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    I watched the whole video. Teaching young folks how to better utilize facebook, twitter,flikr etc; real dangerous stuff here (I suppose the sharpshooter classes were held behind the building?). I think that your're overreacting or just plain hallucinating? :-)
  174. Mr. Hack says:
    @RobinG
    Mr. Hasbara: "...nobody is denying that the US sent in its own moral support agents once things had got to a certain point."

    "...to a certain point?" The agents were firmly in place at least 2 years before: "TechCamp Kyiv 2012" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpIoBUDuL3U


    Mr. Hasbara must be rubbing his hands together in Tel Aviv while Soros-funded #resist Color Revolution unfolds in US, pink pussy rioters take to the streets, and the Congress submits to abrogation of Constitutional rights - starting with Freedom of Speech.

    Meanwhile, American patriots, take note of how they did it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1F_E1splZg
    US TECH CAMPS in Ukraine Coup

    I watched the whole video. Teaching young folks how to better utilize facebook, twitter,flikr etc; real dangerous stuff here (I suppose the sharpshooter classes were held behind the building?). I think that your’re overreacting or just plain hallucinating? :-)

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    Teaching young folks how to better utilize facebook, twitter,flikr etc; real dangerous stuff here
     
    Yes, yes it is. The CIA and the State Department are teaching them (out of the goodness of their hearts, naturally) how to manipulate the political discussion in the host nation. Unsurprisingly, it led to bloodshed and misery.

    You are very, very transparent, Hack. A negative value for your employers.
  175. Mr. Hack says:
    @annamaria
    "If Poroshenko doesn’t get his act together, he may be next!"

    Something tells me that you are not going to risk your life on the barricades. How much time was left before the election in Ukraine when Nuland-Kagan & Co pushed for the regime change -- some 2-3 months? Considering the available historical documents re the consequence of revolutions for the ordinary people, only a teenager with a poor self-control or a provocateur with an agenda would cheerlead for another revolution in Ukraine, particularly when some democratic mechanisms are (and were in 2014) still available.
    And then you posted this ridiculous spiel by a puppet from State Dept.:
    "Since Ukraine’s independence in 1991, the United States has supported Ukrainians as they build democratic skills and institutions, as they promote civic participation and good governance..." -- Don't you like the results of the 26 years of the US "helping"? Perhaps you are not aware that the US is in the most cordial relationships with the Kingdom of Saud, the main sponsor of terrorism (after the US). There was even a Miracle of Passports after 9/11, when the immaculate IDs for 14 Saudis (out of 19 high-jackers) were found among the debris of WTC towers and No 7. There were also the jubilant Israeli art students who had been whisked swiftly away from the US to the safety of Israel. These ominous signs produced no adverse influence on the US relationships with either Saudi or Israel. "Support the troops," in short.
    Look, the US has never bothered with democracy when the absence of democracy and even the most bloody dictatorships suited the US interests. The US needs a festering wound on the border with Russia, the ordinary Ukrainians be damned. Ukraine had lost her independence in 2014. Monsanto et al are welcome.
    Here is a general observation: Your sanctimonious posts don't sound right. First, you produced some insinuations of an obscure Ukrainian politician who "discovered" that Russians did Maidan. Then you tried to reject the facts of the neo-Nazis' involvement in Maidan revolution and beyond (up to their direct representation in the current Ukrainian government). Then you cited the corruption of the former Ukrainian president as the main reason for his bloody removal (100 people died in Kiev and thousands more died in East Ukraine, the absolute majority of the victims are civilians); and then, in the same breath, you proclaimed that "corruption going on around the whole world." This contortionist style could be OK for the "experts" at the Atlantic Council, but this forum is no AC.

    Don’t you like the results of the 26 years of the US “helping”?

    Sure beats over 400 years of Russia ‘helping’! :-(

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  176. annamaria says:

    You see, I am not the only one to detect the signs of a hasbarist. Whether your ancestry is Jewish or Ukrainian (or both), your russophobic and pro-ziocon attitude is not amusing. But your manipulative style is.

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    Not quite. An herbalist, perhaps...And you, a hasbeenist? :-)
  177. Phil,
    One more question. You used the term “dirty oil”. By that do you mean the oil with bitumen produced from Canada’s tar sands region? Bitumen is just another mined product. It is used to seal pavement cracks. Useful material.

    Typically the chemical engineers classify crude oil in other terminology. They assay each newly discovered field to categorize the crude. Specific gravity, sulphur content, CO2 content, percent of volatiles, etc.

    Heck, every kind of crude oil is pretty dirty stuff. Ask anybody who works on producing wells. It does need to be handled carefully. If we can put a man on the moon, we can handle crude oil!

    Back to the main topic – I’m with Pat Buchanan regarding our dealings with Russia. It is ridiculous that we sell billions of $$ of advanced war machines to head-chopping Wahabbi Moslems while we antagonize a White Christian (sort of) nation that has lots of nukes. Neo-con policies are insane.

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  178. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Hack
    I watched the whole video. Teaching young folks how to better utilize facebook, twitter,flikr etc; real dangerous stuff here (I suppose the sharpshooter classes were held behind the building?). I think that your're overreacting or just plain hallucinating? :-)

    Teaching young folks how to better utilize facebook, twitter,flikr etc; real dangerous stuff here

    Yes, yes it is. The CIA and the State Department are teaching them (out of the goodness of their hearts, naturally) how to manipulate the political discussion in the host nation. Unsurprisingly, it led to bloodshed and misery.

    You are very, very transparent, Hack. A negative value for your employers.

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  179. Mr. Hack says:

    Yes, yes it is. The CIA and the State Department are teaching them (out of the goodness of their hearts, naturally) how to manipulate the political discussion in the host nation.

    ‘Manipulte the political discussion’? I guess in your sovok Orwellian dialect that must mean ‘freedom of expression’…Let me guess,your employer resides in the Kremlin?

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  180. Mr. Hack says:
    @annamaria
    You see, I am not the only one to detect the signs of a hasbarist. Whether your ancestry is Jewish or Ukrainian (or both), your russophobic and pro-ziocon attitude is not amusing. But your manipulative style is.

    Not quite. An herbalist, perhaps…And you, a hasbeenist? :-)

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Personal Classics
A Modern Guernica Enabled by Washington
Pressuring Candidates Even Before They Are Nominated
But is it even a friend?
The gagged whistleblower goes on the record.
Today’s CIA serves contractors and bureaucrats—not the nation.
Pay no mind to the Mossad agent on the line.