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Fake News Versus No News
How Russia is pilloried while real news about Israel goes unreported
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The drama surrounding allegations that the internet is awash with “fake news” is being promoted by the so-called mainstream media which certainly has a lot to answer for when it comes to producing material that does not pass the smell test. Does the name Judith Miller ring any bells? And the squeaks of rage coming from the U.S. Congress over being lied to is also something to behold as the federal government has been acting in collusion with the media to dish up falsehoods designed to start wars since the time of the Spanish-American conflict in 1898, if not before.

The fake news saga is intended to discredit Donald Trump, whom the media hates mostly because they failed to understand either him or the Americans who voted for him in the recent election. You have to blame somebody when you are wrong so you invent “fake news” as the game changer that explains your failure to comprehend simple truths. To accomplish that, the clearly observable evidence that the media was piling on Donald Trump at every opportunity has somehow been deliberately morphed into a narrative that it is Trump who was attacking the media, suggesting that it was all self-defense on the part of the Rachel Maddows of this world, but anyone who viewed even a small portion of the farrago surely will have noted that it was the Republican candidate who was continuously coming under attack from both the right and left of the political-media spectrum.

There are also some secondary narratives being promoted, including a pervasive argument that Hillary Clinton was somehow the victim of the news reporting due specifically to fake stories emanating largely from Moscow in an attempt to not only influence the election but also to subvert America’s democratic institutions. I have observed that if such a truly ridiculous objective were President Vladimir Putin’s desired goal he might as well relax. Our own Democratic and Republican duopoly has already been doing a fine job at subverting democracy by assiduously separating the American people from the elite Establishment that theoretically represents and serves them.

Another side of the mainstream media lament that has been relatively unexplored is what the media chooses not to report. At the present moment, it is practically obligatory to slam Russia and Putin at every opportunity even though Moscow is too militarily weak and poor to fancy itself a global adversary of the U.S. Instead of seeking a new Cold War, Washington should instead focus on working with Russia to make sure that disagreements over policies in relatively unimportant parts of the world do not escalate into nuclear exchanges. Russian actions on its own doorstep in Eastern Europe do not in fact threaten the United States or any actual vital interest. Nor does Moscow threaten the U.S. through its intervention on behalf of the Syrian government in the Middle East. That Russia is described incessantly as a threat in those areas is largely a contrivance arranged by the media, the Democratic and Republican National Committees and by the White House. Candidate Donald Trump appeared to recognize that fact before he began listening to Michael Flynn, who has a rather different view. Hopefully the old Trump will prevail.

Blaming Russia, which has good reasons to be suspicious of Washington’s intentions, is particularly convenient for those many diverse inside the Beltway interests that require a significant enemy to keep the cash flowing out of the pockets of taxpayers and into the bank accounts of the useless grifters who inhabit K-Street and Capitol Hill. Neoconservatives are frequently described as ideologues, but the truth is that they are more interested in gaining increased access to money and power than they are in promulgating their own brand of global regime change.

There is, however, another country that has interfered in U.S. elections, has endangered Americans living or working overseas and has corrupted America’s legislative and executive branches. It has exploited that corruption to initiate legislation favorable to itself, has promoted unnecessary and unwinnable wars and has stolen American technology and military secrets. Its ready access to the mainstream media to spread its own propaganda provides it with cover for its actions and it accomplishes all that and more through the agency of a powerful and well-funded domestic lobby that oddly is not subject to the accountability afforded by the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) of 1938 even though it manifestly works on behalf of a foreign government. That country is, of course, Israel.

And that assessment of Israel and what damage it does regarding what most Americans would regard as genuine national interests is most definitely not reported, revealing once again that what is not written is every bit as important as what is. I would note how what has recently happened right in front of us relating to Israel is apparently not considered fit to print and will never appear on any disapproving editorial page. Just this week the Senate unanimously passed an Anti-Semitism Awareness bill and also by a 99 to zero vote renewed and strengthened sanctions against Iran, which could wreck the one year old anti-nuclear weapon proliferation agreement with that country.

The Anti-Semitism Awareness Act is intended to give the Department of Education investigatory authority over “anti-Jewish incidents” on America’s college campuses. Such “incidents” are not limited to religious bigotry, with the examples cited in the bill’s text including criticism of Israel and claiming that the holocaust was “exaggerated.” It is a thinly disguised assault on the Boycott Divest and Sanction (BDS) movement, which is non-violent, does not criticize Jews as a religion or ethnicity, and is actually supported by many Jewish American who are concerned about Israel’s apartheid regime.

The Anti-Semitism bill makes Jews and Jewish interests a legally protected class, immune from any criticism. “Free speech” means in practice that you can burn an American flag, sell pornography, attack Christianity in the vilest terms or castigate the government in Washington all you want but criticizing Israel is off limits if you want to avoid falling into the clutches of the legal system. The Act is a major step forward in effectively making any expressed opposition to Israeli actions a hate crime and is similar to punitive legislation that has been enacted in twenty-two states as well as in Canada. It is strongly supported by the Israel Lobby, which quite likely drafted it, and is seeking to use legal challenges to delegitimize and eliminate any opposition to the policies of the state of Israel.

As the Act is clearly intended to restrict First Amendment rights if they are perceived as impacting on broadly defined Jewish sensitivities, it should be opposed on that basis alone, but it is very popular in Congress, which is de facto owned by the Israel Lobby. That the legislation is not being condemned or even discussed in the generally liberal media tells you everything you need to know about the amazing power of one particular unelected and unaccountable lobby in the U.S.

And there is always Iran to worry about. If the United States can successfully avoid a war with Russia, a conflict with the Mullahs could have major consequences even if the all-powerful U.S. military successfully rolls over its Iranian counterpart in less than a week. Iran is physically and in terms of population much larger than Iraq and it has a strong national identity. An attack by Washington would produce a powerful reaction, unleashing terrorist resources and destabilizing an economically and politically important region of the world for years to come. Currently, the nuclear agreement with Iran provides some measure of stability and also pushes backwards any possible program by Tehran to build a weapon. Iran does not threaten the United States, so why walk away from the agreement as some of Trump’s advisors urge? Or violate the agreement’s terms as the U.S. Congress seems to be doing by extending and tightening the sanctions regime with its just passed Iran Sanctions Extension Act? Look no further than the Israel Lobby. Hobbling Iran, a regional competitor, is a possible Israeli interest that should have nothing to do with the United States but yet again the United States government carries the water for the extreme right wing Netanyahu regime.

Israel for its part has welcomed the Trump election by building 500 new and completely illegal settler homes in what was once Arab East Jerusalem. Trump has surrounded himself with advocates for Israel and Prime Minister Netanyahu’s expectation that he will have a free hand in dealing with those pesky Palestinians is probably correct. I would like to think that Donald Trump will unpleasantly surprise him based on actual American rather than Israeli interests but am not optimistic.

Indeed, deference to perceived Israeli interests enforced by the Israel Lobby and media permeates the entire American foreign policy and national security structure. Congressman Keith Ellison who is seeking to become Democratic National Committee Chairman is being called an anti-Semite for “implying U.S. policy in the region [the Middle East] favored Israel at the expense of Muslim-majority countries, remarks ADL’s CEO Jonathan Greenblatt described as ‘deeply disturbing and disqualifying.’” Donald Trump and his senior counselor Steve Bannon have also both been called anti-Semites and several other potential GOP appointees have been subjected to the media’s fidelity-to-Israel litmus test.

The recently nominated Secretary of Defense James Mattis, who can hardly be called a moderate when it comes to Iran, has also been labeled an anti-Semite by the usual players. Why? Because in 2013 he told Wolf Blitzer “So we’ve got to work on [peace talks] with a sense of urgency. I paid a military security price every day as a commander of CENTCOM because the Americans were seen as biased in support of Israel, and [because of this] moderate Arabs couldn’t be with us because they couldn’t publicly support those who don’t show respect for Arab Palestinians.”

Mattis continued, referring directly to Israeli apartheid: “I’ll tell you, the current situation is unsustainable … We’ve got to find a way to make work the two-state solution that both Democrat and Republican administrations have supported, and the chances are starting to ebb because of the settlements. For example, if I’m Jerusalem and I put 500 Jewish settlers to the east and there’s ten-thousand Arabs already there, and if we draw the border to include them, either [Israel] ceases to be a Jewish state or you say the Arabs don’t get to vote — apartheid. That didn’t work too well the last time I saw that practiced in a country.”

Mattis will no doubt be reminded of his remarks when he is up for Senate confirmation. A predecessor Chuck Hagel was mercilessly grilled by Senators over his reported comment that the “Jewish lobby” intimidates congressmen. But ironically nearly everyone who is not an Israel-firster who is involved in U.S. foreign and security policy knows that aggressive Israeli colonization of the Palestinian West Bank and its siege of Gaza contribute greatly to terrorism against the United States, since Washington is regularly blamed for enabling Netanyahu. When General David Petraeus said pretty much the same thing as Mattis back in 2010 he was forced to “explain” his comments, retract them and then grovel before he was eventually given a pass by the Lobby.

And there is considerable self-censorship related to the alleged sensitivity of “Jewish issues,” not only in the media. I recently attended a conference on the Iraq invasion of 2003 at which the role of Israel manifested through its controlled gaggle of American legislators and bureaucrats as a factor in going to war was not even mentioned. It was as if it would be impolite or, dare I say, anti-Semitic, to do so even though the Israeli role was hardly hidden. Former Bush administration senior official Philip Zelikow has admitted that protecting Israel was the principal reason why the U.S. invaded Iraq and others have speculated that without the persistent neocons’ and Israel’s prodding Washington might not have gone to war at all. That is apparently what then Secretary of State Colin Powell also eventually came around to believe.

So let’s stop talking about what Russia is doing to the United States, which is relatively speaking very little, and start admitting that the lopsided and completely deferential relationship with Israel is the actual central problem in America’s foreign policy. Will the media do that? Not a chance. They would rather obsess about fake news and blame Putin.

 
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  1. The only reason the average American is likely to agree with Israel is because they’ve had their head filled with various absurd fictions such as Holocaust propaganda, “Judeo-Christian values”, and Jews being a uniquely righteous, exceptional, and persecuted people.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869?

    ‘antisemitic’: any thought or person that a Jew doesn’t like

    The ’6,000,000 Jews’ lie and the laughing Mexican:

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    • Replies: @Santoculto
    The only fundamental reason is that they are on avg stupid.

    Or will be the leftish "anti Semitism"

    Or will be the rightish "chosen ones"

    Whitey is completely doomed and pussy, without their loved "elites", they can't reorganize themselves and most of them Don't want and can't do it. Sad reality.

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  2. Philip Giraldi manages to outrage ‘everyone’ once again. I’m expecting lots of comments and hopefully Sham Sama will have something to say and of course he’ll be able to count on iffen for a feint echo to be heard in the distance too.

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  3. We’ve arrived at a truly strange point in time when if you aren’t regularly called racist and/or anti-semitic, you are either systematically dishonest or simply disconnected from reality. The role of the MSM is to enforce the latter by practicing the former.

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    • Replies: @William
    Kyle McKenna's comment is beautifully done and absolutely correct.
  4. Indeed. At least not all of us are asleep at the wheel. Hopefully the masses will stop being so damn apathetic.

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  5. This is a reality that many people recognize but are reluctant to discuss. The Nazi regime and its crimes are gifts that keep on giving for the zionist element. Curbs on free speech to provide special protections based on political correctness are deplorable by definition. The risk is being run that some of the most the odious propaganda concepts employed by the Nazis and historically buried by their defeat could reemerge, but that this time there might be a partial basis in reality for what in the past was wholly based on propaganda fancy.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    The risk is being run that some of the most the odious propaganda concepts employed by the Nazis and historically buried by their defeat could reemerge...
     
    That view itself attests to the effectiveness of "Allied" propaganda, which is mostly still believed despite the passage of 8 decades.

    Another indication of the effectiveness of the real masters of propaganda is the fact that probably not 1 in a million 'Merkins could even name a propagandist other than Goebbels. How many have ever heard of Stalin’s propagandist, the much more colorful character, the “Red Millionaire,”Willi Munzengerg?

    Note the date and remember that the Nazis only came into power in Germany in 1933.

    Governments around the world consider it more important to concoct effective propaganda on the political, social and economic problems confronting their nationals than it is to solve those problems.

    William E. Berchtold, The World Propaganda War, The North American Review
    , November 1934, pp. 421-430
     
    In fact, I believe Hitler admired "Allied" propaganda and patterned his after theirs. The Bolshies were big time advocates and practitioners of it long before the Nazis as well.
    , @Wally
    You're making a conclusion from an easily debunked false premise, aka: garbage in, garbage out.

    The laughable '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are simply impossible.

    Why else would so many countries ban scrutiny of a "fact"?
    The US is next, see article above.

    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.


    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."
    - Gerard Menuhin / Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
  6. The successful passage of the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act must have Orwell spinning cartwheels in his grave. This unopposed bill is a vile and direct assault on Free Speech and political expression. And it’s strategic. Only the political adversaries of Israel/Jews are targeted. Run-of-the-mill expressions of hatred and disdain remain protected.

    What’s worse, there’s no little or mention of this bill–and its potentially chilling impact–anywhere in the ‘respectable’ mainstream press. Certainly, there’s no open and vigorous debate about its obvious dangers–or what its passage tells us about Jewish influence in Washington. Perhaps it’s because such talk could stimulate outbreaks of ‘anti-Semitism’. And we can’t allow that!

    Where are the ‘outraged’ civil libertarians?–busy filing amnesty petitions on behalf of ‘undocumented immigrants’?

    Where are the Free Speech fundamentalists?–at a pro-pornography rally perhaps?

    We are living in a Zionist-dominated culture. And we’re headed lower.

    Kosher hegemony touches nearly every aspect of American life. Intellectual freedom is under continuous pressure to roll over and conform. And this black political magic is working.

    Very gradually, the noose is tightening. There are no safe places left for principled opponents of Zion. Resistance itself may soon be interpreted as a manifestation of ‘anti-Semitism’. And that can’t be allowed.

    Ironically, the most powerful ethnic lobby in the Western world still succeeds in portraying itself as the most vulnerable and endangered. This, with the conquest of Iraq, Libya, Palestine and Syria under its belt. More fake news by the usual suspects.

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    Where are the Free Speech fundamentalists?–at a pro-pornography rally perhaps?
     
    No, Mark. They are busily preparing for the next Je suis Charlie rally... eagerly awaiting their cue from "the organizers" to show the world how important free speech is when it relates to one topic only, defeating radical Islam.
    , @notlurking
    Very well said.........hopefully this act will be challenged in the courts.....that should be interesting....
    , @Skeptikal
    "“The Anti-Semitism Awareness Act” won’t stand a court test. "

    I do hope you are right on that.

    But on the rest of your post, about Putin, I must scratch my head.
    The views seem to come from some very ignorant and Russo-phobic place where no recent history is taken on board.
  7. Here’s a round up of some fake news

    https://ukmediawatch.org/2012/04/14/jenin-ten-years-since-something-that-never-happened-a-learning-moment-for-the-guardian/

    The Jenin massacre that never happened

    http://www.seconddraft.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=616:the-evidence-for-staging&catid=87:aldurah-the-evidence&Itemid=277

    The murder of Mohammed AL Durah that never happened

    http://www.zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/

    The dead at Qana who aren’t dead

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/201754

    An endless stream of headlines about boys “shot dead” (in the process of stabbing someone)

    (((Matti Friedman))) describes the upside down Cathedral reporting of Israel here, much of it will be familiar to those who have followed the unfolding lunacy of the Black Lives Matter hoax campaign.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/183033/israel-insider-guide

    But it’s not enough for the international media to spend a mere 5% of its time defaming one party in a insignificant conflict. No, only 24 hour coverage of every outlandish Fakestinian fairy tale will assure him that the media is doing its job.

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  8. ” I would like to think that Donald Trump will unpleasantly surprise him based on actual American rather than Israeli interests but am not optimistic.”

    That makes two of us. Roll over and play dead, Donnie: the master’s voice demands it.

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    • Replies: @Bianca
    Fake news come from fake people. These are prople that according to MSM do not exist, and should not exist. This is why from left to right -- they still did not change their line. They are the elite and they know what is correct. They defined it, thus it must be true. There is no other truth then the one they create. They create the reality. Thus -- everything else is fake. Some fake peoe voted. After MSM explains it -- the universe will just go back to its normal orbit.
  9. They would rather obsess about fake news and blame Putin.

    “Blame others for your own sins.”

    J. V. Stalin, Anarchism Or Socialism ? December, 1906 — January, 1907

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  10. War with Iran will give the media something new to talk about. It all depends on Netanyahu and his marching orders. War with Iran is preferable to nuclear war with Russia or China (who knows what Trump is going to do there).

    Israel controls the US media and many foreign governments control the think tanks. The US has people who gain power and wealth from war. Foreign governments want the US to fight their fights like a hitman who works for free and prestige. Is there an EU hand behind the Russian propaganda in the US? European officials have come out from the woodwork to demand the US be hostile to Russia. It is hard to imagine a US president can ignore all these manipulative voices and be America First. They aren’t going to stop until the US Empire breathes its last breath doing a shakedown on one of their adversaries.

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  11. Let’s talk about Russian influence but not Israel’s:

    http://america-hijacked.com/2016/08/29/lets-talk-about-russian-influence/

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    • Replies: @AmericaFirstNow
    Take a look at the links at following URL and comment at bottom for the Israel 1sters (especially Jared Kushner) advising Trump if you think he will be any better when it comes to Israel:

    Jewish Pro-Zionist (Israel first) AIPAC donor Jared Kushner playing a major role in running Trump’s campaign/presidency
    :

    http://america-hijacked.com/2016/08/01/who-is-running-trumps-campaign/
  12. @Mark Green
    The successful passage of the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act must have Orwell spinning cartwheels in his grave. This unopposed bill is a vile and direct assault on Free Speech and political expression. And it's strategic. Only the political adversaries of Israel/Jews are targeted. Run-of-the-mill expressions of hatred and disdain remain protected.

    What's worse, there's no little or mention of this bill--and its potentially chilling impact--anywhere in the 'respectable' mainstream press. Certainly, there's no open and vigorous debate about its obvious dangers--or what its passage tells us about Jewish influence in Washington. Perhaps it's because such talk could stimulate outbreaks of 'anti-Semitism'. And we can't allow that!

    Where are the 'outraged' civil libertarians?--busy filing amnesty petitions on behalf of 'undocumented immigrants'?

    Where are the Free Speech fundamentalists?--at a pro-pornography rally perhaps?

    We are living in a Zionist-dominated culture. And we're headed lower.

    Kosher hegemony touches nearly every aspect of American life. Intellectual freedom is under continuous pressure to roll over and conform. And this black political magic is working.

    Very gradually, the noose is tightening. There are no safe places left for principled opponents of Zion. Resistance itself may soon be interpreted as a manifestation of 'anti-Semitism'. And that can't be allowed.

    Ironically, the most powerful ethnic lobby in the Western world still succeeds in portraying itself as the most vulnerable and endangered. This, with the conquest of Iraq, Libya, Palestine and Syria under its belt. More fake news by the usual suspects.

    Where are the Free Speech fundamentalists?–at a pro-pornography rally perhaps?

    No, Mark. They are busily preparing for the next Je suis Charlie rally… eagerly awaiting their cue from “the organizers” to show the world how important free speech is when it relates to one topic only, defeating radical Islam.

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    Mr. Giraldi is an honest and honorable man indeed. I must remind him however that these media tactics to protect Israel go back a long time. In the mid to late sixties, Palestinians who resisted Israel were labelled by the media as commandos. Then these very brave Palestinians became terrorists. Then all Arabs comprising over three hundred million people became terrorists, and now all Muslims, a billion and a half of them, are of course terrorists. The silence by Americans regarding such outrageous lies has been deafening. It is said that when the truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie. Americans have been silent for a long time regarding Israeli crimes.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    Reminds of Purim story.
    , @Anon
    Over there, they are vile subhuman enemies of Zionists.

    Over here, they are noble angelic 'refugees' or immigrants who must be defended from vile white 'xenophobes'.
  14. @Exiled off mainstreet
    This is a reality that many people recognize but are reluctant to discuss. The Nazi regime and its crimes are gifts that keep on giving for the zionist element. Curbs on free speech to provide special protections based on political correctness are deplorable by definition. The risk is being run that some of the most the odious propaganda concepts employed by the Nazis and historically buried by their defeat could reemerge, but that this time there might be a partial basis in reality for what in the past was wholly based on propaganda fancy.

    The risk is being run that some of the most the odious propaganda concepts employed by the Nazis and historically buried by their defeat could reemerge…

    That view itself attests to the effectiveness of “Allied” propaganda, which is mostly still believed despite the passage of 8 decades.

    Another indication of the effectiveness of the real masters of propaganda is the fact that probably not 1 in a million ‘Merkins could even name a propagandist other than Goebbels. How many have ever heard of Stalin’s propagandist, the much more colorful character, the “Red Millionaire,”Willi Munzengerg?

    Note the date and remember that the Nazis only came into power in Germany in 1933.

    Governments around the world consider it more important to concoct effective propaganda on the political, social and economic problems confronting their nationals than it is to solve those problems.

    William E. Berchtold, The World Propaganda War, The North American Review
    , November 1934, pp. 421-430

    In fact, I believe Hitler admired “Allied” propaganda and patterned his after theirs. The Bolshies were big time advocates and practitioners of it long before the Nazis as well.

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    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @utu
    Goebbels propaganda was on kindergarten level comparing to Anglo-American propaganda during the WWII.
    , @Alden
    I'm very familiar with Willi Munzengerg. I didn't know he was a millionaire. I always thought he was funded by the Comintern.

    It will be nice to see all the White hating liberals in college campuses attacked by White hating liberal Jews as anti Semites

    Maybe the 2 factions will destroy each other.
  15. “The Anti-Semitism Awareness Act” won’t stand a court test. One has the right to call for a boycott of Israel if they wish to do so. BDS has gotten some minor traction simply because people have the right to voice a political opinion. This and freedom to practice one’s religion, are the heart of the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution.

    If Putin had simply minded his knitting, there would be little to no hostility towards Russia. Instead, Putin has supported meddling and theft in Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine. East Europe is very nervous about Russia, and their concerns are very well placed. Putin is being stupid about it and is setting Russia up for Phase 2 of the fall of the Russian Empire. Phase 2 will be one for the history books and will completely undo what Peter the Great started. Putin, however, will assure himself a place in history along side Gorbachev.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    "...completely undo what Peter the Great started..."
    You could learn a lot by reading "Two hundred years together."
  16. Giraldi correctly identifies the greatest threat to freedom of speech in the nations of the US sphere. America has been protected to a large extent by its First Amendment, but it has been clear for a while that the would-be censors are moving towards the creation of a “hate speech” exception to that vital protection. It’s only a matter of time before you can be prosecuted in the US for offending jewish interests (in particular), as you already can be in most European countries via hate speech and “holocaust denial” laws.

    The antisemitism ploy is merely one amongst a whole range of political correctness issues where censorship is sought by the establishments – race, feminism, homosexual behaviour, immigration and islam are the other main areas. But of them all, it is the antisemitism ploy that seems to get the most push, probably because it has the most articulate and the best placed and best funded advocates.

    I comment from a traditionalist, nativist English conservative perspective, so my views (perfectly normal and commonplace, even mainstream, a few decades ago) offend against political correctness in all of the above areas. I’ve frequently drawn virulent argument in response (bring it on!), and often been censored in all these categories, but the only area where I’ve ever been credibly threatened with actual prosecution is that of the anti-Semitism ploy. It’s also the area in which I am most commonly censored or banned, for what are, on the face of it, less outrageous “offences”.

    As a concrete example, I have posted quite personal and disapproving views of homosexual behaviour, making the case that it is morally equivalent to bestiality, on the Spectator Blogs site without (on some occasions) being censored, and I have also made the dramatically political incorrect case that black US communities are themselves responsible for most of the problems highlighted by the BLM thugs, but I was permanently banned from there merely for suggesting that “Holocaust denial” ought not to be forbidden. Not, note, for actually denying the Holocaust – merely for saying that free speech should include the right to question details of history freely.

    There is a real problem, and a real threat to liberty, here. Had Clinton been elected we would probably have seen controls on “hate speech” across the politically correct board within a few years. The election of Trump has probably seen off that threat for many areas, but the anti-Semitism area is one where the Trump regime is likely to be vulnerable. Far from being in any sense anti-Semitic (such accusations against the likes of Trump and Bannon are literally laughable), Trump and some of his senior advisors are quite strongly philo-semitic, pro-Israel and linked to some of the worst Israeli nationalist/jewish lobbying groups and individuals.

    It is likely some people who post here will be in court facing prosecution and potential imprisonment merely for expressing opinions within a decade or so, if a strong stand is not taken on this issue.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    Oh, c'mon...it's dem Muzzies what skeers us, doncha know? ;)
    , @Skeptikal
    The person or entity you cannot criticize is the one who holds real power.

    Excuse poor rendition of Voltaire's well-known aphorism.
    But it seems ever more apposite. And it is a kind of beacon in the the otherwise extremely confusing and congested dark.

    It's clear. It's simple.

    YOu cannot criticize Israel. You cannot criticize Jews/Zionists. And you cannot raise any questions about what is behind the weird code language used in John Podesta's and others' emails released by Wikileaks. So these are (some of) the people who hold real power.

    How's about someone puts together a list of all the holy-of-holies for which criticism is taboo.
    Taboo. Also a good word to keep handy.
    "Taboo" means you can get into trouble even for suggesting that there IS a taboo!
    Yep, we are there.
  17. This is a good article and it’s clearly all true, but where does Trump fit into it all?

    Part of his vote was to oppose this abuse, no doubt accounting for the non-stop attacks he underwent from the Jewish media, using every kind of smear they could dig up/imagine.

    The position of the Gentile 98% of the US population vs. its Jewish 2% is rather like the position of the South Asian Indians vs. their British rulers in Imperial India, in fact worse, because the British aimed to run an honest and efficient administration and raise the level of Indian education to create a class of administrators ready for Democracy.

    Jewish Imperialism is more of the pure exploitative type, showing greater similarities to Hitler’s detailed plans for Russia and the Ukraine. These involved a permanent racial (German) elite separated from the local population in apartheid style, and almost exclusively focused on control and economic exploitation.

    So it looks like Trump has to collaborate (like the rest of the PC Anglos) or be removed.

    A separate point would be that the US Zionists are probably sick and tired of Democracy and its political games, and would prefer an outright dictatorship (Emergency Regime) like the one they tried for (and failed to get) on 9/11, but no doubt they’ll try for a second time, probably through a manufactured military confrontation with Russia or China.

    If they get their Emergency Regime, it of course comes with the (much desired) control of US nuclear weapons, allowing them to flatten every Iranian city, and even better, also activate the Patriot Act, Homeland Security and the NSA against domestic terrorists (Deporables) and probably put them in some kind of Gulag for dissidents similar to the one they set up in Russia in the 1920′s (15 million Russians and Ukrainians died and disappeared).

    The US population is at great risk but they only seem to be marginally aware of it. When the Bolsheviks pulled middle class Moscow theatre goers of the street and put them directly on trains to the Gulag the usual reaction was “Just a moment, there must be some kind of mistake here.”

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    “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
  18. Phil’s right, so we have to get the Hasbarists posting fake Holocaust Denier propaganda to try to tar legitimate critiques of political policies with off the wall cartoon antisemitism.

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  19. @Randal
    Giraldi correctly identifies the greatest threat to freedom of speech in the nations of the US sphere. America has been protected to a large extent by its First Amendment, but it has been clear for a while that the would-be censors are moving towards the creation of a "hate speech" exception to that vital protection. It's only a matter of time before you can be prosecuted in the US for offending jewish interests (in particular), as you already can be in most European countries via hate speech and "holocaust denial" laws.

    The antisemitism ploy is merely one amongst a whole range of political correctness issues where censorship is sought by the establishments - race, feminism, homosexual behaviour, immigration and islam are the other main areas. But of them all, it is the antisemitism ploy that seems to get the most push, probably because it has the most articulate and the best placed and best funded advocates.

    I comment from a traditionalist, nativist English conservative perspective, so my views (perfectly normal and commonplace, even mainstream, a few decades ago) offend against political correctness in all of the above areas. I've frequently drawn virulent argument in response (bring it on!), and often been censored in all these categories, but the only area where I've ever been credibly threatened with actual prosecution is that of the anti-Semitism ploy. It's also the area in which I am most commonly censored or banned, for what are, on the face of it, less outrageous "offences".

    As a concrete example, I have posted quite personal and disapproving views of homosexual behaviour, making the case that it is morally equivalent to bestiality, on the Spectator Blogs site without (on some occasions) being censored, and I have also made the dramatically political incorrect case that black US communities are themselves responsible for most of the problems highlighted by the BLM thugs, but I was permanently banned from there merely for suggesting that "Holocaust denial" ought not to be forbidden. Not, note, for actually denying the Holocaust - merely for saying that free speech should include the right to question details of history freely.

    There is a real problem, and a real threat to liberty, here. Had Clinton been elected we would probably have seen controls on "hate speech" across the politically correct board within a few years. The election of Trump has probably seen off that threat for many areas, but the anti-Semitism area is one where the Trump regime is likely to be vulnerable. Far from being in any sense anti-Semitic (such accusations against the likes of Trump and Bannon are literally laughable), Trump and some of his senior advisors are quite strongly philo-semitic, pro-Israel and linked to some of the worst Israeli nationalist/jewish lobbying groups and individuals.

    It is likely some people who post here will be in court facing prosecution and potential imprisonment merely for expressing opinions within a decade or so, if a strong stand is not taken on this issue.

    Oh, c’mon…it’s dem Muzzies what skeers us, doncha know? ;)

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  20. @Anon
    Mr. Giraldi is an honest and honorable man indeed. I must remind him however that these media tactics to protect Israel go back a long time. In the mid to late sixties, Palestinians who resisted Israel were labelled by the media as commandos. Then these very brave Palestinians became terrorists. Then all Arabs comprising over three hundred million people became terrorists, and now all Muslims, a billion and a half of them, are of course terrorists. The silence by Americans regarding such outrageous lies has been deafening. It is said that when the truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie. Americans have been silent for a long time regarding Israeli crimes.

    Reminds of Purim story.

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  21. @Quartermaster
    "The Anti-Semitism Awareness Act" won't stand a court test. One has the right to call for a boycott of Israel if they wish to do so. BDS has gotten some minor traction simply because people have the right to voice a political opinion. This and freedom to practice one's religion, are the heart of the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution.

    If Putin had simply minded his knitting, there would be little to no hostility towards Russia. Instead, Putin has supported meddling and theft in Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine. East Europe is very nervous about Russia, and their concerns are very well placed. Putin is being stupid about it and is setting Russia up for Phase 2 of the fall of the Russian Empire. Phase 2 will be one for the history books and will completely undo what Peter the Great started. Putin, however, will assure himself a place in history along side Gorbachev.

    “…completely undo what Peter the Great started…”
    You could learn a lot by reading “Two hundred years together.”

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    Two Hundred Years Together is irrelevant to what I said.
  22. Since Russia has effectively put an end to the USA’s invasion of Syria, what makes you think it (or China) would tolerate an invasion of Iran?

    The use of regular army units, marines, the USN and the USAF would make less difference than you might think. That’s why Washington resorted to hiring terrorists in the first place, after all.

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  23. C Span Washington Journal was particularly clever this morning.

    North Carolina’s highly esteemed representative, Walter Jones, (Republican) and Ted Lieu (D-CA) “talked about efforts to reverse a federal court’s 2010 ruling in SpeechNow.org v. FEC, that allows individuals to make unlimited contributions to super political action committees (super PACs) that do not directly support a party or candidate.”

    Ain’t C Span great: they gave airtime to US Congressmen, from opposite sides of the aisle!!, who are fighting for YOU, the American people.
    (Which they are, of course, but the real (((enemy))) may never be named — now it’s a law.)

    Next up was Clinton Watts of the Foreign Policy Research Institute, National Security Program, on “Fake” News and Campaign 2016 Clint Watts talked about reports that a Russian propaganda effort is to blame for the prevalence of “fake” news during the 2016 election cycle.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?419130-4/washington-journal-clinton-watts-fake-news-campaign-2016

    Watts, and C Span, must have browsed Unz.com and read Phil Giraldi’s essay to create their combined diversion-attack program this morning.

    BUT — one after another, callers to C Span are alert, aware, and talking back. They blasted Watts, who vilified Russia, Putin and RT news; callers argued that US MSM is propaganda but RT is not, etc.

    Ya can’t fool all of the people all of the time.

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    Gave up on C-SPAN's 'Washington Journal' long ago when they start cutting off callers who were conveying truth about Israel and then found out about CAMERA's 'C-SPAN Watch' which C-SPAN hosts are very concerned about! A major sponsor of C-SPAN is Time Warner Cable (now Spectrum) which had an exec who moonlights writing speeches for Netanyahu as following mondoweiss link conveyed!:

    Time Warner executive moonlights as speechwriter for Netanyahu:

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/moonlights-speechwriter-netanyahu/
    , @Quartermaster
    RT is broadcasts little more than Putinist propaganda. The MSM in the US is little better, if at all.
  24. Jews on the Brain Disease can prevent rational thought.

    There are glimmers of hope that after many, many years, the Man could possibly run out of Little Dutch Boy fingers and suffer from weakened control over the narrative.

    What do we need to do?

    Why, of course, give them extra ammunition to fight back with by trying to make it all about what dem Jews are up to.

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    Jews on the Brain Disease can prevent rational thought.

    Who has "Jews on the Brain Disease" more then Jews?

    It is Jews who are obsessed with Jews.

    It is self obsessed Jews who traumatize their children with fear and loathing and hate for their fellow humans.

    By the age of ten they are turned against humanity - always thinking only what is good for Jews. Rational honest thought is foreign to them.

    The Little Jews are Zombies - reflexively mouthing what the Big Jews tell them to say.

    In the face of the obvious - Jews whimper and cry "they say we control the media, we control banks, we control congress, we control the president - they blame us for everything."

    What manner of human would teach a child to lie like that.

    Peace --- Art
  25. @AmericaFirstNow
    Let's talk about Russian influence but not Israel's:

    http://america-hijacked.com/2016/08/29/lets-talk-about-russian-influence/

    Take a look at the links at following URL and comment at bottom for the Israel 1sters (especially Jared Kushner) advising Trump if you think he will be any better when it comes to Israel:

    Jewish Pro-Zionist (Israel first) AIPAC donor Jared Kushner playing a major role in running Trump’s campaign/presidency
    :

    http://america-hijacked.com/2016/08/01/who-is-running-trumps-campaign/

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  26. @SolontoCroesus
    C Span Washington Journal was particularly clever this morning.

    North Carolina's highly esteemed representative, Walter Jones, (Republican) and Ted Lieu (D-CA) "talked about efforts to reverse a federal court’s 2010 ruling in SpeechNow.org v. FEC, that allows individuals to make unlimited contributions to super political action committees (super PACs) that do not directly support a party or candidate."

    Ain't C Span great: they gave airtime to US Congressmen, from opposite sides of the aisle!!, who are fighting for YOU, the American people.
    (Which they are, of course, but the real (((enemy))) may never be named -- now it's a law.)

    Next up was Clinton Watts of the Foreign Policy Research Institute, National Security Program, on "Fake" News and Campaign 2016 Clint Watts talked about reports that a Russian propaganda effort is to blame for the prevalence of “fake” news during the 2016 election cycle.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?419130-4/washington-journal-clinton-watts-fake-news-campaign-2016

    Watts, and C Span, must have browsed Unz.com and read Phil Giraldi's essay to create their combined diversion-attack program this morning.


    BUT -- one after another, callers to C Span are alert, aware, and talking back. They blasted Watts, who vilified Russia, Putin and RT news; callers argued that US MSM is propaganda but RT is not, etc.

    Ya can't fool all of the people all of the time.

    Gave up on C-SPAN’s ‘Washington Journal’ long ago when they start cutting off callers who were conveying truth about Israel and then found out about CAMERA’s ‘C-SPAN Watch’ which C-SPAN hosts are very concerned about! A major sponsor of C-SPAN is Time Warner Cable (now Spectrum) which had an exec who moonlights writing speeches for Netanyahu as following mondoweiss link conveyed!:

    Time Warner executive moonlights as speechwriter for Netanyahu:

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/moonlights-speechwriter-netanyahu/

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    Look how Israel 1st US media never even mentioned how Petraeus was scheming with neocon warmonger Max Boot as following Mondoweiss link mentioned as well:

    Broadwell scandal not first time Petraeus was sloppy with email as he leaked his own emails scheming with neocon Max Boot
    :

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/broadwell-scandal-not-the-first-time-petraeus-was-sloppy-with-email-in-2010-he-leaked-his-own-emails-scheming-with-neocon-max-boot/

    Following appeared in the UK New Statesman as well (can do a search at Twitter for 'Petraeus' to see how it has been tweeted to various US media outlets which continue the ignore the story even as Petraeus is still in the running for Trump's Secretary of State):

    General Petraeus Leaked Emails about Israel
    :

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2010/07/general-petraeus-israel-emails
    , @SolontoCroesus
    You're correct JM; C Span under CAMERA's chilling spy-glass is problematic.

    I and many of my friends enjoy Booknotes and other C Span programming -- "TV for people who read." Analysis of that programming also shows problematic trends.
    For example, an attempt to learn about the history of Italy, or contemporary Italian politics from C Span programming produces a barren (if not bigoted) landscape.

    BUT speaking of Italy -- the Headline to Phil's article might well have read, Fake News versus No News vs Invisible News: On Sunday, Italians voted on a critically important referendum -- http://www.thelocal.it/20161202/italy-referendum-cheat-sheet-seven-key-facts-to-know

    Italy's PM, Matteo Renzi (along w/ Goldman Sachs), advocated FOR the measure that would have "strip[ped] the second chamber of parliament, the Senate, of most of its powers to block and amend legislation."
    Renzi threatened to resign if the measure failed.

    Italian voters rejected the measure, and Renzi has said he will resign.
    This is momentous, even in a nation that has seated more governments than Carter has liver pills.

    Now, the turmoil in Italy is when to hold elections [note to self: bone up on parliamentary form of government. The Italian people, at least, had sense enough, and a system, to t'row da bums out, whereas in the US a legal battle will have to be waged to wrest back the right to speak freely. Such a battle will be costly in treasure as well as careers: no legal talent that goes up against the ((( ___ ))) will emerged unscathed, even if the outcome is legally positive.]

    http://www.thelocal.it/20161206/battle-over-early-elections-grips-italy-in-limbo

  27. @AmericaFirstNow
    Gave up on C-SPAN's 'Washington Journal' long ago when they start cutting off callers who were conveying truth about Israel and then found out about CAMERA's 'C-SPAN Watch' which C-SPAN hosts are very concerned about! A major sponsor of C-SPAN is Time Warner Cable (now Spectrum) which had an exec who moonlights writing speeches for Netanyahu as following mondoweiss link conveyed!:

    Time Warner executive moonlights as speechwriter for Netanyahu:

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/moonlights-speechwriter-netanyahu/

    Look how Israel 1st US media never even mentioned how Petraeus was scheming with neocon warmonger Max Boot as following Mondoweiss link mentioned as well:

    Broadwell scandal not first time Petraeus was sloppy with email as he leaked his own emails scheming with neocon Max Boot
    :

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/broadwell-scandal-not-the-first-time-petraeus-was-sloppy-with-email-in-2010-he-leaked-his-own-emails-scheming-with-neocon-max-boot/

    Following appeared in the UK New Statesman as well (can do a search at Twitter for ‘Petraeus’ to see how it has been tweeted to various US media outlets which continue the ignore the story even as Petraeus is still in the running for Trump’s Secretary of State):

    General Petraeus Leaked Emails about Israel
    :

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2010/07/general-petraeus-israel-emails

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  28. […] Philip Giraldi is executive director of the Council for the National Interest. This article originally appeared on the Unz Review. […]

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    @Anon
    Mr. Giraldi is an honest and honorable man indeed. I must remind him however that these media tactics to protect Israel go back a long time. In the mid to late sixties, Palestinians who resisted Israel were labelled by the media as commandos. Then these very brave Palestinians became terrorists. Then all Arabs comprising over three hundred million people became terrorists, and now all Muslims, a billion and a half of them, are of course terrorists. The silence by Americans regarding such outrageous lies has been deafening. It is said that when the truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie. Americans have been silent for a long time regarding Israeli crimes.

    Over there, they are vile subhuman enemies of Zionists.

    Over here, they are noble angelic ‘refugees’ or immigrants who must be defended from vile white ‘xenophobes’.

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  30. @AmericaFirstNow
    Gave up on C-SPAN's 'Washington Journal' long ago when they start cutting off callers who were conveying truth about Israel and then found out about CAMERA's 'C-SPAN Watch' which C-SPAN hosts are very concerned about! A major sponsor of C-SPAN is Time Warner Cable (now Spectrum) which had an exec who moonlights writing speeches for Netanyahu as following mondoweiss link conveyed!:

    Time Warner executive moonlights as speechwriter for Netanyahu:

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/moonlights-speechwriter-netanyahu/

    You’re correct JM; C Span under CAMERA’s chilling spy-glass is problematic.

    I and many of my friends enjoy Booknotes and other C Span programming — “TV for people who read.” Analysis of that programming also shows problematic trends.
    For example, an attempt to learn about the history of Italy, or contemporary Italian politics from C Span programming produces a barren (if not bigoted) landscape.

    BUT speaking of Italy — the Headline to Phil’s article might well have read, Fake News versus No News vs Invisible News: On Sunday, Italians voted on a critically important referendum — http://www.thelocal.it/20161202/italy-referendum-cheat-sheet-seven-key-facts-to-know

    Italy’s PM, Matteo Renzi (along w/ Goldman Sachs), advocated FOR the measure that would have “strip[ped] the second chamber of parliament, the Senate, of most of its powers to block and amend legislation.”
    Renzi threatened to resign if the measure failed.

    Italian voters rejected the measure, and Renzi has said he will resign.
    This is momentous, even in a nation that has seated more governments than Carter has liver pills.

    Now, the turmoil in Italy is when to hold elections [note to self: bone up on parliamentary form of government. The Italian people, at least, had sense enough, and a system, to t'row da bums out, whereas in the US a legal battle will have to be waged to wrest back the right to speak freely. Such a battle will be costly in treasure as well as careers: no legal talent that goes up against the ((( ___ ))) will emerged unscathed, even if the outcome is legally positive.]

    http://www.thelocal.it/20161206/battle-over-early-elections-grips-italy-in-limbo

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  31. @Exiled off mainstreet
    This is a reality that many people recognize but are reluctant to discuss. The Nazi regime and its crimes are gifts that keep on giving for the zionist element. Curbs on free speech to provide special protections based on political correctness are deplorable by definition. The risk is being run that some of the most the odious propaganda concepts employed by the Nazis and historically buried by their defeat could reemerge, but that this time there might be a partial basis in reality for what in the past was wholly based on propaganda fancy.

    You’re making a conclusion from an easily debunked false premise, aka: garbage in, garbage out.

    The laughable ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are simply impossible.

    Why else would so many countries ban scrutiny of a “fact”?
    The US is next, see article above.

    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”
    - Gerard Menuhin / Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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  32. @Mark Green
    The successful passage of the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act must have Orwell spinning cartwheels in his grave. This unopposed bill is a vile and direct assault on Free Speech and political expression. And it's strategic. Only the political adversaries of Israel/Jews are targeted. Run-of-the-mill expressions of hatred and disdain remain protected.

    What's worse, there's no little or mention of this bill--and its potentially chilling impact--anywhere in the 'respectable' mainstream press. Certainly, there's no open and vigorous debate about its obvious dangers--or what its passage tells us about Jewish influence in Washington. Perhaps it's because such talk could stimulate outbreaks of 'anti-Semitism'. And we can't allow that!

    Where are the 'outraged' civil libertarians?--busy filing amnesty petitions on behalf of 'undocumented immigrants'?

    Where are the Free Speech fundamentalists?--at a pro-pornography rally perhaps?

    We are living in a Zionist-dominated culture. And we're headed lower.

    Kosher hegemony touches nearly every aspect of American life. Intellectual freedom is under continuous pressure to roll over and conform. And this black political magic is working.

    Very gradually, the noose is tightening. There are no safe places left for principled opponents of Zion. Resistance itself may soon be interpreted as a manifestation of 'anti-Semitism'. And that can't be allowed.

    Ironically, the most powerful ethnic lobby in the Western world still succeeds in portraying itself as the most vulnerable and endangered. This, with the conquest of Iraq, Libya, Palestine and Syria under its belt. More fake news by the usual suspects.

    Very well said………hopefully this act will be challenged in the courts…..that should be interesting….

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    Sure, challenged in federal courts that are likely presided over by Jewish judges. The Jewish owned media and the ADL will viciously attack and impugn the plaintiffs as "anti-semites". Media stories will be framed such that this bill is aimed at preventing another Jewish holocaust.
  33. And there is always Iran to worry about. If the United States can successfully avoid a war with Russia, a conflict with the Mullahs could have major consequences even if the all-powerful U.S. military successfully rolls over its Iranian counterpart in less than a week

    US “all-powerful” military will not be able to “roll over” Iran for a simple reason that it will have to first preposition itself to do so, thus providing a crucial “threatening period”. This will, as in 100% guarantee, precipitate acceptance of Iran into the SCO and, possibly, under specific circumstances, into CSTO. That will mean only one thing either way–facing “weak” Russian military’s conventional capabilities both directly (such as possible Russian military bases on Iran’s territory) and by proxy. It will be absolutely fascinating to contemplate what force US Army will have to deploy to even have a shot at Tehran, which is colossal and is in a very difficult terrain. Plus, of course, the fact that while still not first rate soldiers, Iranians sure as hell are not Arabs in terms of military organization and capabilities–they are much better. Russia will not allow any hostile power to have a foothold around Caspian Sea. This whole thing will also bring Baku very-very close to Moscow and this will have major geopolitical implications not for the region only. Phil, let’s be honest, US military didn’t face near peer, let alone peer in war since 1950. The idea that Russia would sit and do nothing while fecal matter will be hitting the fan in her southern underbelly is, frankly, preposterous. The STAVKA of Southern Direction (Command) was established in 1970s in Baku for a very good reason. Let’s put it this way–Iran is so not Iraq, that no number of superlatives about US military capability can overshadow the fact of Iran potentially becoming such a bloody quagmire that even Vietnam would look like a stroll in the park.

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    It is hard to see Trump making war on Iran - it is not in his interest to disrupt his domestic agenda over a war that would surly dominate everything else.

    If he totally breaks the current treaty, Iran will surly start to make nukes. The only way to stop them would be to attack them.

    All this Iran talk is a diversion away from the aggressive actions that Israel is taking against the Palestinians. Netanyahu is working to the final solution. No Palestine or Palestinians.

    The real goal is to get Trump to move the US embassy to Jerusalem which will signal the end of Palestine.

    Peace --- Art
    , @TJM
    And you think China is going to sit by and wait for it to be next on the menu?
    , @Talha
    Excellent points on the military tip (as always), Smoothie.

    Couple of things to think about...
    1) Arabs can make quite capable fighters; Hezbollah is a case study (though one could say, well, they have had lots of Persian influence).
    2) There seems to be a pivot occurring of Iran and Pakistan towards their historic ties (cultural mostly) - and now economic:
    http://thediplomat.com/2016/10/china-iran-and-one-belt-one-road/
    If the Pakistanis start shifting away from Saudi towards a more balanced approach to Iran - and possibly military cooperation, that will further drive a nail in the coffin of any attack because using Pakistan as a base of operations will not be possible - also you wouldn't want to encourage any 'accidental' transfers of nuclear weapons from one country to protect what it considers its civilizational progenitor. And I doubt the Iraqis will let them base operations from there either.

    So I think, as you said, invasion is likely out of the question - maybe a massive volley of ship-based cruise missiles to set Iran's military back a decade or so is the only thing in the cards.

    Peace.
  34. @iffen
    Jews on the Brain Disease can prevent rational thought.

    There are glimmers of hope that after many, many years, the Man could possibly run out of Little Dutch Boy fingers and suffer from weakened control over the narrative.

    What do we need to do?

    Why, of course, give them extra ammunition to fight back with by trying to make it all about what dem Jews are up to.

    Jews on the Brain Disease can prevent rational thought.

    Who has “Jews on the Brain Disease” more then Jews?

    It is Jews who are obsessed with Jews.

    It is self obsessed Jews who traumatize their children with fear and loathing and hate for their fellow humans.

    By the age of ten they are turned against humanity – always thinking only what is good for Jews. Rational honest thought is foreign to them.

    The Little Jews are Zombies – reflexively mouthing what the Big Jews tell them to say.

    In the face of the obvious – Jews whimper and cry “they say we control the media, we control banks, we control congress, we control the president – they blame us for everything.”

    What manner of human would teach a child to lie like that.

    Peace — Art

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    Hey Genius

    Jews have money, power and military might.

    Jews aren't whimpering and crying. You are.

    Sherm

    PS - How are the PORK and beans?
  35. @Art
    Jews on the Brain Disease can prevent rational thought.

    Who has "Jews on the Brain Disease" more then Jews?

    It is Jews who are obsessed with Jews.

    It is self obsessed Jews who traumatize their children with fear and loathing and hate for their fellow humans.

    By the age of ten they are turned against humanity - always thinking only what is good for Jews. Rational honest thought is foreign to them.

    The Little Jews are Zombies - reflexively mouthing what the Big Jews tell them to say.

    In the face of the obvious - Jews whimper and cry "they say we control the media, we control banks, we control congress, we control the president - they blame us for everything."

    What manner of human would teach a child to lie like that.

    Peace --- Art

    Hey Genius

    Jews have money, power and military might.

    Jews aren’t whimpering and crying. You are.

    Sherm

    PS – How are the PORK and beans?

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    Hey Genius

    Jews have money, power and military might.

    Jews aren’t whimpering and crying. You are.

    Sherm
     

    Say Sherm,

    The war is going on only in the Jew mind - not in the collective Gentile mind - only one side is fighting.

    What is going to happen when the other side decides to fight?

    Will you Jews nuke the world?

    Peace --- Art

    , @Randal

    Jews aren’t whimpering and crying.
     
    ROFL!

    Campaign Against Anti-semitism, Anti-Defamation League, "hate speech" and "Holocaust denial" laws throughout Europe, Anti-Semitism Awareness Act, etc etc ad nauseam.

    Seems many of them are doing nothing but whimpering and crying and seeking to have the liberty of people who say things they don't like to hear restricted. How are they any less contemptible when they do that than all the other groups who use identity group lobbying to get their way and acquire special privileges and protections?
    , @Astuteobservor II
    it is true, now that the jewish state got nukes from the usa and france, the situation is now nuclear. so it is impossible to forcibly rid of jews from the middle east now. arabs would have to wake up to that fact. when the other side have nukes and you don't, you are fucked at the bargaining table. hell, saudis are like servants :) they provide money to israeli officials for elections and stab other arabs in the back. the perfect divide and conquer of muslims using the sunni and shiite divide. the arabs had their chance between 45-70, but how do you fight against israel backed by usa? arabs has been fucked over since then.

    it is pretty fucking brilliant. faking the holocaust for jew points while causing one right in everyone's face. and it actually fucking works. I am very impressed. superb.
    , @Art

    Hey Genius

    Jews have money, power and military might.

    Jews aren’t whimpering and crying. You are.

    Sherm
     

    Hey Sherm,

    Look at what is coming your way - ridicule and contempt maybe?


    SWITZERLAND – ‘Sexual’ antisemitic poster attacks Netanyahu in Swiss train stations

    https://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2016/12/06/switzerland-sexual-antisemitic-poster-attacks-netanyahu-in-swiss-train-stations/#more-162779
     

    How is your money and power working?

    When will you be nuking Switzerland?

    Peace --- Art

    , @Santoculto
    pork-spirited
  36. @SmoothieX12

    And there is always Iran to worry about. If the United States can successfully avoid a war with Russia, a conflict with the Mullahs could have major consequences even if the all-powerful U.S. military successfully rolls over its Iranian counterpart in less than a week
     
    US "all-powerful" military will not be able to "roll over" Iran for a simple reason that it will have to first preposition itself to do so, thus providing a crucial "threatening period". This will, as in 100% guarantee, precipitate acceptance of Iran into the SCO and, possibly, under specific circumstances, into CSTO. That will mean only one thing either way--facing "weak" Russian military's conventional capabilities both directly (such as possible Russian military bases on Iran's territory) and by proxy. It will be absolutely fascinating to contemplate what force US Army will have to deploy to even have a shot at Tehran, which is colossal and is in a very difficult terrain. Plus, of course, the fact that while still not first rate soldiers, Iranians sure as hell are not Arabs in terms of military organization and capabilities--they are much better. Russia will not allow any hostile power to have a foothold around Caspian Sea. This whole thing will also bring Baku very-very close to Moscow and this will have major geopolitical implications not for the region only. Phil, let's be honest, US military didn't face near peer, let alone peer in war since 1950. The idea that Russia would sit and do nothing while fecal matter will be hitting the fan in her southern underbelly is, frankly, preposterous. The STAVKA of Southern Direction (Command) was established in 1970s in Baku for a very good reason. Let's put it this way--Iran is so not Iraq, that no number of superlatives about US military capability can overshadow the fact of Iran potentially becoming such a bloody quagmire that even Vietnam would look like a stroll in the park.

    It is hard to see Trump making war on Iran – it is not in his interest to disrupt his domestic agenda over a war that would surly dominate everything else.

    If he totally breaks the current treaty, Iran will surly start to make nukes. The only way to stop them would be to attack them.

    All this Iran talk is a diversion away from the aggressive actions that Israel is taking against the Palestinians. Netanyahu is working to the final solution. No Palestine or Palestinians.

    The real goal is to get Trump to move the US embassy to Jerusalem which will signal the end of Palestine.

    Peace — Art

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  37. @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    Jews have money, power and military might.

    Jews aren't whimpering and crying. You are.

    Sherm

    PS - How are the PORK and beans?

    Hey Genius

    Jews have money, power and military might.

    Jews aren’t whimpering and crying. You are.

    Sherm

    Say Sherm,

    The war is going on only in the Jew mind – not in the collective Gentile mind – only one side is fighting.

    What is going to happen when the other side decides to fight?

    Will you Jews nuke the world?

    Peace — Art

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  38. @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    Jews have money, power and military might.

    Jews aren't whimpering and crying. You are.

    Sherm

    PS - How are the PORK and beans?

    Jews aren’t whimpering and crying.

    ROFL!

    Campaign Against Anti-semitism, Anti-Defamation League, “hate speech” and “Holocaust denial” laws throughout Europe, Anti-Semitism Awareness Act, etc etc ad nauseam.

    Seems many of them are doing nothing but whimpering and crying and seeking to have the liberty of people who say things they don’t like to hear restricted. How are they any less contemptible when they do that than all the other groups who use identity group lobbying to get their way and acquire special privileges and protections?

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  39. @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    Jews have money, power and military might.

    Jews aren't whimpering and crying. You are.

    Sherm

    PS - How are the PORK and beans?

    it is true, now that the jewish state got nukes from the usa and france, the situation is now nuclear. so it is impossible to forcibly rid of jews from the middle east now. arabs would have to wake up to that fact. when the other side have nukes and you don’t, you are fucked at the bargaining table. hell, saudis are like servants :) they provide money to israeli officials for elections and stab other arabs in the back. the perfect divide and conquer of muslims using the sunni and shiite divide. the arabs had their chance between 45-70, but how do you fight against israel backed by usa? arabs has been fucked over since then.

    it is pretty fucking brilliant. faking the holocaust for jew points while causing one right in everyone’s face. and it actually fucking works. I am very impressed. superb.

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    Futurist William Knoke, author of Bold New World: The Essential Road Map to the Twenty-First Century predicted that there is a strong likelihood that frustrated Palestinians will utilise a dirty bomb at some point to render the area of Israel uninhabitable.
  40. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Several stories the press (and the ever observant Giraldi) choose to ignore that are magnitudes worse than anything Israel ever did.

    Sudanese illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Darfur. 1million + murdered

    Indonesian illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Papua.500,000+ murdered

    Moroccan illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Western Sahara.37,000+ murdered.

    Turkish illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Kurdistan and Cyprus. 80,000+ murdered.

    Chinese occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Xinyang and Tibet.

    Slavery alive and well in Islamic rep of Mauritania and Islamic rep of Sudan.

    The fact that Arab Muslims are native to Arabia thousands of miles away yet occupy all of North Africa while oppressing the native population.

    Apartheid for Christians in 14 Islamic states including Iran where converting from Islam to Christianity is a crime punishable by death……..

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    • Replies: @Art

    Several stories the press (and the ever observant Giraldi) choose to ignore that are magnitudes worse than anything Israel ever did.

    Sudanese illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Darfur. 1million + murdered
     
    Comparing Israel with the third world country of Sudan are we?

    The people of Sudan never had the opportunity to vote for peace or war - the Israelis did.

    The Jews voted for NO peace.

    Why does Judaism so favor war?

    The Jews pretend to be modern people - but their culture keeps then ancient and tribal - how sad for them.

    Peace --- Art
    , @Greg Bacon
    Interesting list, especially the nations Israel sold arms to help with the genocide. But we're talking about the Israeli subversion of the USA, so let's stay on topic.

    Israel doesn't give a tinker's damn about the USA, except to use us like a 24/7 ATM and to use our sons and daughters as cannon fodder to protect them from reality.

    When we implode from all the wars and debts--mostly occurred fighting Israel's wars--Israelis will laugh and walk away, chatting how about how clever they were and how STUPID Americans were.
    , @Anon
    Yes, there are nations that are far more brutal and tyrannical than Israel, but Israel has sway over the US whereas other nations don't. Sudan is a hellhole, but what influence does Sudan have over the US?

    So, human rights issues are secondary to issues of global influence.

    Israel and Saudis have big influence over the US, and that's why we must pay attention.

    Even if Israel were to resolve all its differences with Palestinians, it would still be perverse for the US to remain so slavish to Zionist interests.

    And the main source of this influence isn't actually Israeli but Jewish-American.

    When US support of Zionist interest had amounted to favoring Jews over Palestinians and safeguarding Israel's borders, it wasn't so bad.
    But then, especially after the Cold War, Zionists went into 'Greater Israel' mentality that stretched all the way to Iran, even to Russia.

    It went from Jewish interests over a limited region to Jewish ambition for domination in all parts of the world. And this was doable because Jews became the elites of the US, the most powerful nation on Earth.
    When Jews say such-and-such figure or nation is a threat to Israel, they really mean it's a threat to Jewish globalist domination all over the world. 'Israel' is just a handy excuse for their grand ambitions. After all, if Jews are mainly concerned with Israel, they should love Russia. Putin has had wonderfully supportive relations with Israel. But that is never good enough. There is Israel as a real nation, and there is Greater Israel of the Jewish Will to Power. And this GI is wherever Jews seek domination.

    So, Zionist interests are no longer limited to Israel. It is connected to all of the Middle East and even Europe and Asia.
    As Jews see Iran as a potential threat to Israel, they see EVERY nation that wants to do normalize relations with Iran as a threat to Israel. And if seen as a threat to Israel, it is also seen as a threat to Jews themselves, even those who have nothing to do with Israel. It's like a lot of Jews say 'anti-Zionism is antisemitism'.
    Jewish interests went from national fears(for Israel) to global paranoia about every part of the world.

    But all of this is dressed up as 'human rights', spreading democracy, fighting terrorists(even though US has been working with terrorists when advantageous to do so), spreading 'gay rights', and etc. 5000 faces of Dr. Zio. But behind every mask is the Zionist Will to Global Power.

    This is getting nuts. We don't need WWIII because Jennifer Rubin thinks Iran is Haven Monahan of the world.
    , @Anon
    Sudan and other African nations are horrible because they have unruly blacks.

    And Israel seems to be aware of how lousy those nations are, which is why Israel refuses to take in African refugees.

    Then, why do so many Jewish Globalists insist that Europe open to these black thug mobs?

    Why are Jews pushing onto Europe the people they don't want themselves?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDP0Ml8Vr3c&feature=youtu.be

    This is what happens when you bring stronger and aggressive black Africans to Europe. In America, blacks beat up whites all over because blacks are tougher. Europe decided to let tons of black Africans in, and they act like American blacks. They beat up whites. But PC tells us Diversity is so wonderful and that ALL nations should take in tons of these blacks.
    Blacks are supposed to be 'cool' because of rap music, sports, and Mandela. But on street level, it's just lots of crime and pathology.

    , @Skeptikal
    The listing of every bad deed in the world is kind of silly, and implies that the USA should do something about every bad deed or situation.

    But these "bad things" are not official policy of the USA. Unlike the illegal Israeli occupation and the creation of an apartheid state.
    Nor are these leaders coming to our Congress and telling our legislators what to do, and paying them to let Israel do what it wants.
    Nor are these various bad people being supported by what are in effect fifth columnists---traitors---in the USA and its government. Dual citizens of questionable loyalty to the USA.
    Nor do all of these bad people claim the moral mantle of the chosen people, of being the world's most ethical people, of being the world's most democratic people.
    American legislators and media puppeteers and business people asupport these
    lies and hypocrisy.

    Israel and its (now) apartheid, racist regime could not exist without the decades-long support of the USA, going back to 1947.
    So, yes, in the USA the spotlight should always be turned on Israel and its crimes against humanity; on its unwholesome effect on the American political, ethical, and media landscape. Israel and zionism are corrupting influences in this country.

  41. @jacques sheete

    The risk is being run that some of the most the odious propaganda concepts employed by the Nazis and historically buried by their defeat could reemerge...
     
    That view itself attests to the effectiveness of "Allied" propaganda, which is mostly still believed despite the passage of 8 decades.

    Another indication of the effectiveness of the real masters of propaganda is the fact that probably not 1 in a million 'Merkins could even name a propagandist other than Goebbels. How many have ever heard of Stalin’s propagandist, the much more colorful character, the “Red Millionaire,”Willi Munzengerg?

    Note the date and remember that the Nazis only came into power in Germany in 1933.

    Governments around the world consider it more important to concoct effective propaganda on the political, social and economic problems confronting their nationals than it is to solve those problems.

    William E. Berchtold, The World Propaganda War, The North American Review
    , November 1934, pp. 421-430
     
    In fact, I believe Hitler admired "Allied" propaganda and patterned his after theirs. The Bolshies were big time advocates and practitioners of it long before the Nazis as well.

    Goebbels propaganda was on kindergarten level comparing to Anglo-American propaganda during the WWII.

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  42. @anon
    Several stories the press (and the ever observant Giraldi) choose to ignore that are magnitudes worse than anything Israel ever did.

    Sudanese illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Darfur. 1million + murdered

    Indonesian illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Papua.500,000+ murdered

    Moroccan illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Western Sahara.37,000+ murdered.

    Turkish illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Kurdistan and Cyprus. 80,000+ murdered.

    Chinese occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Xinyang and Tibet.

    Slavery alive and well in Islamic rep of Mauritania and Islamic rep of Sudan.

    The fact that Arab Muslims are native to Arabia thousands of miles away yet occupy all of North Africa while oppressing the native population.

    Apartheid for Christians in 14 Islamic states including Iran where converting from Islam to Christianity is a crime punishable by death........

    Several stories the press (and the ever observant Giraldi) choose to ignore that are magnitudes worse than anything Israel ever did.

    Sudanese illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Darfur. 1million + murdered

    Comparing Israel with the third world country of Sudan are we?

    The people of Sudan never had the opportunity to vote for peace or war – the Israelis did.

    The Jews voted for NO peace.

    Why does Judaism so favor war?

    The Jews pretend to be modern people – but their culture keeps then ancient and tribal – how sad for them.

    Peace — Art

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  43. @annamaria
    "...completely undo what Peter the Great started..."
    You could learn a lot by reading "Two hundred years together."

    Two Hundred Years Together is irrelevant to what I said.

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    Actually, it is. There are currently two types of particularly active Russophobes which cannot help themselves but to talk about Russian imperial aggression in Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova: they are the Israelites in the US and Israel and the spiritual successors to Bandera in the US and Canada. You added, for some bizarre reasons, Peter the Great to your indictment of allegedly aggressive Russian Federation. Why didn't you also evoke a name of a very effective Anhalt-Zerbst Princess for completeness?
    The book "Two Hundred Years Together" (by a Noble Price Laureate in Literature and the former darling of the Cold War warriors in the US/UK) is absolutely intolerable for ziocons because this documentary demonstrates the arrogant, bloody thirst for power, coupled with disregard for Russian cultural heritage, by the revolutionaries of a certain tribe. http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/most-banned-book-in-the-world-200-years-together-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn/ Not that the native Russians were always some passive, innocent bystanders, but the violation of the nascent constitutional process in Russia during Bolshevik revolution was accomplished by a specific group of people that "knew better" (rings neocons?) http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_weber.html
    Your posts remind the readers of the tragic history of Russia in the context of the tragic transformation of the US into a malignant version of the former USSR. Ziocons have been playing a prominent role in this transformation.
  44. The “Anti-Semitism Awareness Act”

    By Michael Hoffman

    No, this is not a joke, or a newly discovered appendix to George Orwell’s dystopian novels. As Mr. Giraldi reports, the U.S. Senate on Dec. 1 really did approve the “Anti-Semitism Awareness Act.” A companion bill has been sent to the House Committee on the Judiciary.

    The official explanation for this Thought Police enabler is that the Act “seeks to adopt the U.S. State Department’s definition of anti-Semitism so that the Education Department may consider it in investigating reports of religiously motivated campus crimes.” Note that word: “crimes.” We will return to it in a moment.

    The bill was proposed by Senators Bob Casey, a Pennsylvania Democrat, and Tim Scott, a South Carolina Republican, and co-sponsored by Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham to “ensure the Education Department has the necessary statutory tools at their disposal to investigate anti-Jewish incidents,” according to a news release.

    The bill, which gives the federal government the authority to investigate ideas, thoughts, and political positions as violations of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, is supported by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the Anti-Defamation League, the Jewish Federations of North America and the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Senator Casey listed the following examples of anti-Semitic crimes covered by the bill:

    Accusing Israel as a state of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.

    Judging Israel by a double standard that one would not apply to any other democratic nation.

    Demonizing Israel by blaming it for interreligious or political tensions (end quote).

    Political speech should not be investigated by any college or university or the Department of Education, but that’s what this Act will require should it it become law. Should criticizing the government of China be treated as a hate crime against Asian students? This is Israeli supremacy that would be imposed by the government of the United States on every college in America.

    Liz Jackson writes in the Los Angeles Times: “Widespread censorship on Palestine is not hypothetical; it’s already happening. This fall, Berkeley suspended an academic course called ‘Palestine: a Settler Colonial Inquiry’ after complaints from the same Israeli advocacy organizations who had previously tried to get the Education Department to stifle campus debate. This is how the chilling effect plays out. Campus administrators understand the specter of federal investigations — not just the threat of losing funding, but the fallout from bad headlines — and they suppress legitimate speech to avoid problems.”

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  45. @SolontoCroesus
    C Span Washington Journal was particularly clever this morning.

    North Carolina's highly esteemed representative, Walter Jones, (Republican) and Ted Lieu (D-CA) "talked about efforts to reverse a federal court’s 2010 ruling in SpeechNow.org v. FEC, that allows individuals to make unlimited contributions to super political action committees (super PACs) that do not directly support a party or candidate."

    Ain't C Span great: they gave airtime to US Congressmen, from opposite sides of the aisle!!, who are fighting for YOU, the American people.
    (Which they are, of course, but the real (((enemy))) may never be named -- now it's a law.)

    Next up was Clinton Watts of the Foreign Policy Research Institute, National Security Program, on "Fake" News and Campaign 2016 Clint Watts talked about reports that a Russian propaganda effort is to blame for the prevalence of “fake” news during the 2016 election cycle.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?419130-4/washington-journal-clinton-watts-fake-news-campaign-2016

    Watts, and C Span, must have browsed Unz.com and read Phil Giraldi's essay to create their combined diversion-attack program this morning.


    BUT -- one after another, callers to C Span are alert, aware, and talking back. They blasted Watts, who vilified Russia, Putin and RT news; callers argued that US MSM is propaganda but RT is not, etc.

    Ya can't fool all of the people all of the time.

    RT is broadcasts little more than Putinist propaganda. The MSM in the US is little better, if at all.

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    I watch RT News almost every day and consider it better than any of the US News broadcasts that I also watch, though less regularly due to them being so blatantly false.

    The BBC has gone from bad to worse. No information is better than disinformation but RT often shows both sides of the reporting of an event simply to showcase the inaccuracies. Seeing is believing whether one comes from MO or not.

    I almost feel sorry for Mark Toner and his ilk having to lie like they do and it's not like it comes naturally to them as it does with Mark Regev. Toner looks very uncomfortable having to lie and defend the indefensible, maybe Sham Sama would do a better job of it having so much of the required experience.
  46. @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    Jews have money, power and military might.

    Jews aren't whimpering and crying. You are.

    Sherm

    PS - How are the PORK and beans?

    Hey Genius

    Jews have money, power and military might.

    Jews aren’t whimpering and crying. You are.

    Sherm

    Hey Sherm,

    Look at what is coming your way – ridicule and contempt maybe?

    SWITZERLAND – ‘Sexual’ antisemitic poster attacks Netanyahu in Swiss train stations

    https://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2016/12/06/switzerland-sexual-antisemitic-poster-attacks-netanyahu-in-swiss-train-stations/#more-162779

    How is your money and power working?

    When will you be nuking Switzerland?

    Peace — Art

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  47. @anon
    Several stories the press (and the ever observant Giraldi) choose to ignore that are magnitudes worse than anything Israel ever did.

    Sudanese illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Darfur. 1million + murdered

    Indonesian illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Papua.500,000+ murdered

    Moroccan illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Western Sahara.37,000+ murdered.

    Turkish illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Kurdistan and Cyprus. 80,000+ murdered.

    Chinese occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Xinyang and Tibet.

    Slavery alive and well in Islamic rep of Mauritania and Islamic rep of Sudan.

    The fact that Arab Muslims are native to Arabia thousands of miles away yet occupy all of North Africa while oppressing the native population.

    Apartheid for Christians in 14 Islamic states including Iran where converting from Islam to Christianity is a crime punishable by death........

    Interesting list, especially the nations Israel sold arms to help with the genocide. But we’re talking about the Israeli subversion of the USA, so let’s stay on topic.

    Israel doesn’t give a tinker’s damn about the USA, except to use us like a 24/7 ATM and to use our sons and daughters as cannon fodder to protect them from reality.

    When we implode from all the wars and debts–mostly occurred fighting Israel’s wars–Israelis will laugh and walk away, chatting how about how clever they were and how STUPID Americans were.

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  48. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anon
    Several stories the press (and the ever observant Giraldi) choose to ignore that are magnitudes worse than anything Israel ever did.

    Sudanese illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Darfur. 1million + murdered

    Indonesian illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Papua.500,000+ murdered

    Moroccan illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Western Sahara.37,000+ murdered.

    Turkish illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Kurdistan and Cyprus. 80,000+ murdered.

    Chinese occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Xinyang and Tibet.

    Slavery alive and well in Islamic rep of Mauritania and Islamic rep of Sudan.

    The fact that Arab Muslims are native to Arabia thousands of miles away yet occupy all of North Africa while oppressing the native population.

    Apartheid for Christians in 14 Islamic states including Iran where converting from Islam to Christianity is a crime punishable by death........

    Yes, there are nations that are far more brutal and tyrannical than Israel, but Israel has sway over the US whereas other nations don’t. Sudan is a hellhole, but what influence does Sudan have over the US?

    So, human rights issues are secondary to issues of global influence.

    Israel and Saudis have big influence over the US, and that’s why we must pay attention.

    Even if Israel were to resolve all its differences with Palestinians, it would still be perverse for the US to remain so slavish to Zionist interests.

    And the main source of this influence isn’t actually Israeli but Jewish-American.

    When US support of Zionist interest had amounted to favoring Jews over Palestinians and safeguarding Israel’s borders, it wasn’t so bad.
    But then, especially after the Cold War, Zionists went into ‘Greater Israel’ mentality that stretched all the way to Iran, even to Russia.

    It went from Jewish interests over a limited region to Jewish ambition for domination in all parts of the world. And this was doable because Jews became the elites of the US, the most powerful nation on Earth.
    When Jews say such-and-such figure or nation is a threat to Israel, they really mean it’s a threat to Jewish globalist domination all over the world. ‘Israel’ is just a handy excuse for their grand ambitions. After all, if Jews are mainly concerned with Israel, they should love Russia. Putin has had wonderfully supportive relations with Israel. But that is never good enough. There is Israel as a real nation, and there is Greater Israel of the Jewish Will to Power. And this GI is wherever Jews seek domination.

    So, Zionist interests are no longer limited to Israel. It is connected to all of the Middle East and even Europe and Asia.
    As Jews see Iran as a potential threat to Israel, they see EVERY nation that wants to do normalize relations with Iran as a threat to Israel. And if seen as a threat to Israel, it is also seen as a threat to Jews themselves, even those who have nothing to do with Israel. It’s like a lot of Jews say ‘anti-Zionism is antisemitism’.
    Jewish interests went from national fears(for Israel) to global paranoia about every part of the world.

    But all of this is dressed up as ‘human rights’, spreading democracy, fighting terrorists(even though US has been working with terrorists when advantageous to do so), spreading ‘gay rights’, and etc. 5000 faces of Dr. Zio. But behind every mask is the Zionist Will to Global Power.

    This is getting nuts. We don’t need WWIII because Jennifer Rubin thinks Iran is Haven Monahan of the world.

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  49. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anon
    Several stories the press (and the ever observant Giraldi) choose to ignore that are magnitudes worse than anything Israel ever did.

    Sudanese illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Darfur. 1million + murdered

    Indonesian illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Papua.500,000+ murdered

    Moroccan illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Western Sahara.37,000+ murdered.

    Turkish illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Kurdistan and Cyprus. 80,000+ murdered.

    Chinese occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Xinyang and Tibet.

    Slavery alive and well in Islamic rep of Mauritania and Islamic rep of Sudan.

    The fact that Arab Muslims are native to Arabia thousands of miles away yet occupy all of North Africa while oppressing the native population.

    Apartheid for Christians in 14 Islamic states including Iran where converting from Islam to Christianity is a crime punishable by death........

    Sudan and other African nations are horrible because they have unruly blacks.

    And Israel seems to be aware of how lousy those nations are, which is why Israel refuses to take in African refugees.

    Then, why do so many Jewish Globalists insist that Europe open to these black thug mobs?

    Why are Jews pushing onto Europe the people they don’t want themselves?

    This is what happens when you bring stronger and aggressive black Africans to Europe. In America, blacks beat up whites all over because blacks are tougher. Europe decided to let tons of black Africans in, and they act like American blacks. They beat up whites. But PC tells us Diversity is so wonderful and that ALL nations should take in tons of these blacks.
    Blacks are supposed to be ‘cool’ because of rap music, sports, and Mandela. But on street level, it’s just lots of crime and pathology.

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    • Replies: @anon

    This is what happens when you bring stronger and aggressive black Africans to Europe. In America, blacks beat up whites all over because blacks are tougher. Europe decided to let tons of black Africans in, and they act like American blacks. They beat up whites.
     
    Blacks are not stronger than Whites. Blacks have inter-organ fat which makes them look stronger. In fact inter-organ fat is very unhealthy. I am not going to explain it but you can google and learn for yourself.

    Blacks are not tougher than Whites either. Martial arts and Judo tournament results are one example . I dislike this defeatist attitude that cedes strength and toughness to blacks to explain things. If you have discipline ( which most commenters here would say blacks lack ) and commit to exercise and work the heavy bag 5 times a week for an hour each time , no matter your race you will be stronger and tougher than 70%+ of the people you encounter, regardless of their race .
  50. Lets face it, the situation is absolutely hopeless. This has gone from virus to a full blown cancer now, Israel will bring America down and I would say with it but these Jews are too clever. They will simply reinvent themselves and join whatever superpower takes the place of America. And shame on the masses who remain oblivious to this reality, we truly get the government we deserve and considering all the violence we have committed on behalf of Israel in recent years, the world will cheer when we fall.

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  51. Any judge who has taken the time to actually read the text of the US Constitution, which is to say every judge other than Richard Posner, will find this ridiculous law unconstitutional.

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    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
    Unlikely.

    There are three Israelis on the current Supreme Court. Obama's nominee, Garland, may not be re-selected by Trump, but don't be surprised if Trump nominates another Israeli, to make a total of 4. It seems insane that there would be 4 Israelis on the Supreme Court, but I can easily see it happening. Under those conditions, I would expect all Constitutional rights and freedoms to go out the door within a few years. Israel owns the US government, and the US Congress. With SCOTUS under their control, it's a clean sweep.

    And we thought the Russians had it bad, back when. Ha. There's going to be a serious case of secret police and secret assassinations going down. Might not be all that "secret" for very long, either.
  52. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @John Gruskos
    Any judge who has taken the time to actually read the text of the US Constitution, which is to say every judge other than Richard Posner, will find this ridiculous law unconstitutional.

    Unlikely.

    There are three Israelis on the current Supreme Court. Obama’s nominee, Garland, may not be re-selected by Trump, but don’t be surprised if Trump nominates another Israeli, to make a total of 4. It seems insane that there would be 4 Israelis on the Supreme Court, but I can easily see it happening. Under those conditions, I would expect all Constitutional rights and freedoms to go out the door within a few years. Israel owns the US government, and the US Congress. With SCOTUS under their control, it’s a clean sweep.

    And we thought the Russians had it bad, back when. Ha. There’s going to be a serious case of secret police and secret assassinations going down. Might not be all that “secret” for very long, either.

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    This bill is not an infringement on free speech but designed to prevent atrocities:

     

    LOL! Sure, if somebody in an online political forum "demonizing Israel by blaming it for interreligious or political tensions" counts as an "atrocity" in your world.

    As for "this bill is not an infringement on free speech", if you really think a bill that criminalises political opinions isn't an infringement on free speech merely because you happen not to like the opinions it criminalises, then you seriously need to do some extensive self-examination.
    , @Art
    This bill is not an infringement on free speech but designed to prevent atrocities:

    What an in your face lie!

    The aggressor cries victim.

    The atrocities is what the Jews are doing to the Palestinians.

    Anyone who speaks against the Palestinians needs censure - they have it coming.

    Peace --- Art
  54. @notlurking
    Very well said.........hopefully this act will be challenged in the courts.....that should be interesting....

    Sure, challenged in federal courts that are likely presided over by Jewish judges. The Jewish owned media and the ADL will viciously attack and impugn the plaintiffs as “anti-semites”. Media stories will be framed such that this bill is aimed at preventing another Jewish holocaust.

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  55. @Anonymous
    This bill is not an infringement on free speech but designed to prevent atrocities:

    http://www.chroniclet.com/Local-News/2016/11/22/Oberlin-professor-wife-targets-of-possible-hate-crime.html

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/11/28/two-jewish-professors-different-campuses-are-harassed-anti-semitic-threats

    This bill is not an infringement on free speech but designed to prevent atrocities:

    LOL! Sure, if somebody in an online political forum “demonizing Israel by blaming it for interreligious or political tensions” counts as an “atrocity” in your world.

    As for “this bill is not an infringement on free speech”, if you really think a bill that criminalises political opinions isn’t an infringement on free speech merely because you happen not to like the opinions it criminalises, then you seriously need to do some extensive self-examination.

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  56. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    ‘The End of Political Judaism and 1P1V1S’

    WHEN: Saturday Dec 17 2016, 2:00 – 3:15 pm
    WHERE: Otay Branch San Diego Public Library,
    3003 Coronado Ave, San Diego, Ca 92154
    WHO: Dr Lance Dale

    Topics:

    ‘Welcome to the [Apartheid] state’ – Tzipi Livni Nov 16, 2016
    Livni’s surrender of 1- retained Settlement Blocs, 2- the Wall, and 3- ending of Palestinian Right of Return

    Obama’s Greenlighting of the UN Sec Co Resolution against Israel triggered by the Palestine Annexation Law/(Amona)

    The 3 Existential Events (seen as such by Israel itself) for the Collapse of Israeli Apartheid:
    The Iran Nuclear Deal, UN Sec Co Resolution against Israel, and the ICC

    ‘The 3rd Israeli Generals Revolt (CIS) vs Bibi and the Settlers’
    -The Commanders for Israeli Security (CIS)

    ‘The Diskin/CIS UN Chapter 7 Plan and the Dismantling of Israeli Apartheid’

    The Israeli Civil War:
    ‘Obama and the CIS vs Bibi, Adelson and the Settlers’

    ‘1P1V1S (-One Person One Vote One State) replacing Apartheid’
    -Marwan Barghouti and 1P1V1S from the Shining River to Shining Sea

    Political Judaism and Kahanism in Israel and the US – Settlers, the Kahanist Alt Right, and the Israeli Lobby/Jewish Lobby’s Islamophobia cottage industry

    ‘The Collapse of Israeli Apartheid and Tsunami on American Politics’

    The Successful 2nd American Revolution of 4-2-16 and the Iran Nuclear Deal

    ‘How the Israeli/Israeli Lobby ‘Clean Break Dream’ perished in Aleppo’

    Q and A after talk…

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  57. This ethnically self serving piece legislation on the part of the Jewish lobby illustrates why they’ve been expelled from over 100 nations throughout history in addition to being subjected to pogroms great and small. This is designed to be part of their arsenal of political weapons for use against non-Jews.

    I believe this is only the start. They will slowly work their way up to making so called anti-semitism an act meriting imprisonment or capital punishment just like in Bolshevik Russia.

    And don’t expect Donald Trump to ride to the rescue. Given his close association with the Jewish community and well documented affinity for all things Jewish and Israel he is most likely to celebrate and herald this unconstitutional piece of legislation.

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  58. @Quartermaster
    Two Hundred Years Together is irrelevant to what I said.

    Actually, it is. There are currently two types of particularly active Russophobes which cannot help themselves but to talk about Russian imperial aggression in Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova: they are the Israelites in the US and Israel and the spiritual successors to Bandera in the US and Canada. You added, for some bizarre reasons, Peter the Great to your indictment of allegedly aggressive Russian Federation. Why didn’t you also evoke a name of a very effective Anhalt-Zerbst Princess for completeness?
    The book “Two Hundred Years Together” (by a Noble Price Laureate in Literature and the former darling of the Cold War warriors in the US/UK) is absolutely intolerable for ziocons because this documentary demonstrates the arrogant, bloody thirst for power, coupled with disregard for Russian cultural heritage, by the revolutionaries of a certain tribe. http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/most-banned-book-in-the-world-200-years-together-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn/ Not that the native Russians were always some passive, innocent bystanders, but the violation of the nascent constitutional process in Russia during Bolshevik revolution was accomplished by a specific group of people that “knew better” (rings neocons?) http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_weber.html
    Your posts remind the readers of the tragic history of Russia in the context of the tragic transformation of the US into a malignant version of the former USSR. Ziocons have been playing a prominent role in this transformation.

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    annamaria, thanks for the link to "The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution
    and Russia's Early Soviet Regime"

    Weber documented that:


    As an expression of its radically anti-nationalist character, the fledgling Soviet government issued a decree a few months after taking power that made anti-Semitism a crime in Russia. The new Communist regime thus became the first in the world to severely punish all expressions of anti-Jewish sentiment.17 Soviet officials apparently regarded such measures as indispensable. Based on careful observation during a lengthy stay in Russia, American-Jewish scholar Frank Golder reported in 1925 that "because so many of the Soviet leaders are Jews anti-Semitism is gaining [in Russia], particularly in the army [and] among the old and new intelligentsia who are being crowded for positions by the sons of Israel."18
     
    US Senate goes Bolshevik. https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2016/12/02/anti-semitism-awareness-bill-passes-senate

    ---
    Jeremy Black is a prolific British historian. In this talk, he claimed that the Cold War started in World War I; that the USA and its western allies had been trying to eradicate "Bolshevism" for all the years since WWI; WWII was just an "interlude" in the battle against "Bolshevism" -- not "Communism," Black explained, because the Whites were Communist but not Bolshevik. https://www.c-span.org/video/?407529-1/dwight-d-eisenhower-cold-war

    In the piece you linked, Weber quotes Winston Churchill's observations in 1920, about the dominance of Jews in Bolshevik leadership:


    There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate, Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combatting Counter-Revolution [the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.
     
    How did Hitler and National Socialism supplant predominantly Jewish Bolshevik terrorism as the greatest threat to "Christian civilization" in Churchill's thinking?

    Furthermore, why is it that at a time when millions of Russians were being killed by Stalinists (Bolsheviks), among the very first acts FDR undertook after taking office in 1933 was to go behind the backs of his State Department and delegate Henry Morgenthau, Jr. to negotiate financial deals with Stalin's government?

    Why did FDR perceive Germany to be a graver threat than Bolsheviks? After all, as numerous Jewish scholars on holocaust concede, NSDAP "quelled violence toward Jews, and no Jew was sent to a concentration camp" until mid-November 1938.

    There was a double game going on; I think its mastermind was Bernard Baruch. I think Baruch maneuvered FDR & Churchill to get Hitler to fight Stalin to destroy Bolshevism but really to prevent a German-Russian alliance that would have given Russia & Germany control of the World Island;, and Stalin to fight Hitler to destroy Germany (for similar reason re the World Island) after first scaring as many wealthy Jews as possible out of Germany, and migrating as many Jews as possible from Europe to USA; USA to destroy/supplant the British empire; wealth, power, and positioning of Jews in US government and institutions were the goal.

    It may be that Stalin proved a tougher nut to crack, though, and FDR's death caused a disruption, or extension of the timetable for zionized USA to gain control of the Mackinder space.

  59. @Wally
    The only reason the average American is likely to agree with Israel is because they’ve had their head filled with various absurd fictions such as Holocaust propaganda, “Judeo-Christian values”, and Jews being a uniquely righteous, exceptional, and persecuted people.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the '6,000,000' lie since at least 1869?
    http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k598/WhiteWolf722/TheSixMillionMyth.jpg

    'antisemitic': any thought or person that a Jew doesn't like

    The '6,000,000 Jews' lie and the laughing Mexican:

    https://youtu.be/nxbV3RsyQwI

    The only fundamental reason is that they are on avg stupid.

    Or will be the leftish “anti Semitism”

    Or will be the rightish “chosen ones”

    Whitey is completely doomed and pussy, without their loved “elites”, they can’t reorganize themselves and most of them Don’t want and can’t do it. Sad reality.

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  60. @Anonymous
    This bill is not an infringement on free speech but designed to prevent atrocities:

    http://www.chroniclet.com/Local-News/2016/11/22/Oberlin-professor-wife-targets-of-possible-hate-crime.html

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/11/28/two-jewish-professors-different-campuses-are-harassed-anti-semitic-threats

    This bill is not an infringement on free speech but designed to prevent atrocities:

    What an in your face lie!

    The aggressor cries victim.

    The atrocities is what the Jews are doing to the Palestinians.

    Anyone who speaks against the Palestinians needs censure – they have it coming.

    Peace — Art

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  61. @jacques sheete

    The risk is being run that some of the most the odious propaganda concepts employed by the Nazis and historically buried by their defeat could reemerge...
     
    That view itself attests to the effectiveness of "Allied" propaganda, which is mostly still believed despite the passage of 8 decades.

    Another indication of the effectiveness of the real masters of propaganda is the fact that probably not 1 in a million 'Merkins could even name a propagandist other than Goebbels. How many have ever heard of Stalin’s propagandist, the much more colorful character, the “Red Millionaire,”Willi Munzengerg?

    Note the date and remember that the Nazis only came into power in Germany in 1933.

    Governments around the world consider it more important to concoct effective propaganda on the political, social and economic problems confronting their nationals than it is to solve those problems.

    William E. Berchtold, The World Propaganda War, The North American Review
    , November 1934, pp. 421-430
     
    In fact, I believe Hitler admired "Allied" propaganda and patterned his after theirs. The Bolshies were big time advocates and practitioners of it long before the Nazis as well.

    I’m very familiar with Willi Munzengerg. I didn’t know he was a millionaire. I always thought he was funded by the Comintern.

    It will be nice to see all the White hating liberals in college campuses attacked by White hating liberal Jews as anti Semites

    Maybe the 2 factions will destroy each other.

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  62. @annamaria
    Actually, it is. There are currently two types of particularly active Russophobes which cannot help themselves but to talk about Russian imperial aggression in Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova: they are the Israelites in the US and Israel and the spiritual successors to Bandera in the US and Canada. You added, for some bizarre reasons, Peter the Great to your indictment of allegedly aggressive Russian Federation. Why didn't you also evoke a name of a very effective Anhalt-Zerbst Princess for completeness?
    The book "Two Hundred Years Together" (by a Noble Price Laureate in Literature and the former darling of the Cold War warriors in the US/UK) is absolutely intolerable for ziocons because this documentary demonstrates the arrogant, bloody thirst for power, coupled with disregard for Russian cultural heritage, by the revolutionaries of a certain tribe. http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/most-banned-book-in-the-world-200-years-together-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn/ Not that the native Russians were always some passive, innocent bystanders, but the violation of the nascent constitutional process in Russia during Bolshevik revolution was accomplished by a specific group of people that "knew better" (rings neocons?) http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_weber.html
    Your posts remind the readers of the tragic history of Russia in the context of the tragic transformation of the US into a malignant version of the former USSR. Ziocons have been playing a prominent role in this transformation.

    annamaria, thanks for the link to “The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution
    and Russia’s Early Soviet Regime”

    Weber documented that:

    As an expression of its radically anti-nationalist character, the fledgling Soviet government issued a decree a few months after taking power that made anti-Semitism a crime in Russia. The new Communist regime thus became the first in the world to severely punish all expressions of anti-Jewish sentiment.17 Soviet officials apparently regarded such measures as indispensable. Based on careful observation during a lengthy stay in Russia, American-Jewish scholar Frank Golder reported in 1925 that “because so many of the Soviet leaders are Jews anti-Semitism is gaining [in Russia], particularly in the army [and] among the old and new intelligentsia who are being crowded for positions by the sons of Israel.”18

    US Senate goes Bolshevik. https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2016/12/02/anti-semitism-awareness-bill-passes-senate


    Jeremy Black is a prolific British historian. In this talk, he claimed that the Cold War started in World War I; that the USA and its western allies had been trying to eradicate “Bolshevism” for all the years since WWI; WWII was just an “interlude” in the battle against “Bolshevism” — not “Communism,” Black explained, because the Whites were Communist but not Bolshevik. https://www.c-span.org/video/?407529-1/dwight-d-eisenhower-cold-war

    In the piece you linked, Weber quotes Winston Churchill’s observations in 1920, about the dominance of Jews in Bolshevik leadership:

    There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate, Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek — all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combatting Counter-Revolution [the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.

    How did Hitler and National Socialism supplant predominantly Jewish Bolshevik terrorism as the greatest threat to “Christian civilization” in Churchill’s thinking?

    Furthermore, why is it that at a time when millions of Russians were being killed by Stalinists (Bolsheviks), among the very first acts FDR undertook after taking office in 1933 was to go behind the backs of his State Department and delegate Henry Morgenthau, Jr. to negotiate financial deals with Stalin’s government?

    Why did FDR perceive Germany to be a graver threat than Bolsheviks? After all, as numerous Jewish scholars on holocaust concede, NSDAP “quelled violence toward Jews, and no Jew was sent to a concentration camp” until mid-November 1938.

    There was a double game going on; I think its mastermind was Bernard Baruch. I think Baruch maneuvered FDR & Churchill to get Hitler to fight Stalin to destroy Bolshevism but really to prevent a German-Russian alliance that would have given Russia & Germany control of the World Island;, and Stalin to fight Hitler to destroy Germany (for similar reason re the World Island) after first scaring as many wealthy Jews as possible out of Germany, and migrating as many Jews as possible from Europe to USA; USA to destroy/supplant the British empire; wealth, power, and positioning of Jews in US government and institutions were the goal.

    It may be that Stalin proved a tougher nut to crack, though, and FDR’s death caused a disruption, or extension of the timetable for zionized USA to gain control of the Mackinder space.

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    Furthermore, why is it that at a time when millions of Russians were being killed by Stalinists (Bolsheviks), among the very first acts FDR undertook after taking office in 1933 was to go behind the backs of his State Department and delegate Henry Morgenthau, Jr. to negotiate financial deals with Stalin’s government?
     
    Not only Russians were being killed (as they had been under Lenin) but Ukrainians as well. The bloody, hideous Uncle Joey Stalin had just finished off between seven and ten million of them in the Holodomor (1932-33), yet in 1933 under FDR, the US first recognized the USSR. In 1933 Hitler was just coming into power.

    FDR's ghost has a lot to answer for I think.

    You protest, and with justice, each time Hitler jails an opponent; but you forget that Stalin and company have jailed and murdered a thousand times as many. It seems to me, and indeed the evidence is plain, that compared to the Moscow brigands and assassins, Hitler is hardly more than a common Ku Kluxer and Mussolini almost a philanthropist.

    - H. L. Mencken, in an open letter to Upton Sinclair, printed in The American Mercury, June 1936
     
  63. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anon
    Sudan and other African nations are horrible because they have unruly blacks.

    And Israel seems to be aware of how lousy those nations are, which is why Israel refuses to take in African refugees.

    Then, why do so many Jewish Globalists insist that Europe open to these black thug mobs?

    Why are Jews pushing onto Europe the people they don't want themselves?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDP0Ml8Vr3c&feature=youtu.be

    This is what happens when you bring stronger and aggressive black Africans to Europe. In America, blacks beat up whites all over because blacks are tougher. Europe decided to let tons of black Africans in, and they act like American blacks. They beat up whites. But PC tells us Diversity is so wonderful and that ALL nations should take in tons of these blacks.
    Blacks are supposed to be 'cool' because of rap music, sports, and Mandela. But on street level, it's just lots of crime and pathology.

    This is what happens when you bring stronger and aggressive black Africans to Europe. In America, blacks beat up whites all over because blacks are tougher. Europe decided to let tons of black Africans in, and they act like American blacks. They beat up whites.

    Blacks are not stronger than Whites. Blacks have inter-organ fat which makes them look stronger. In fact inter-organ fat is very unhealthy. I am not going to explain it but you can google and learn for yourself.

    Blacks are not tougher than Whites either. Martial arts and Judo tournament results are one example . I dislike this defeatist attitude that cedes strength and toughness to blacks to explain things. If you have discipline ( which most commenters here would say blacks lack ) and commit to exercise and work the heavy bag 5 times a week for an hour each time , no matter your race you will be stronger and tougher than 70%+ of the people you encounter, regardless of their race .

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  64. @Astuteobservor II
    it is true, now that the jewish state got nukes from the usa and france, the situation is now nuclear. so it is impossible to forcibly rid of jews from the middle east now. arabs would have to wake up to that fact. when the other side have nukes and you don't, you are fucked at the bargaining table. hell, saudis are like servants :) they provide money to israeli officials for elections and stab other arabs in the back. the perfect divide and conquer of muslims using the sunni and shiite divide. the arabs had their chance between 45-70, but how do you fight against israel backed by usa? arabs has been fucked over since then.

    it is pretty fucking brilliant. faking the holocaust for jew points while causing one right in everyone's face. and it actually fucking works. I am very impressed. superb.

    Futurist William Knoke, author of Bold New World: The Essential Road Map to the Twenty-First Century predicted that there is a strong likelihood that frustrated Palestinians will utilise a dirty bomb at some point to render the area of Israel uninhabitable.

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    don't see why not. the jews are asking for it imo. when you push it too far, the blow back is gonna be monstrous. I can easily see the palestinians do it if they have the dirty bombs.
  65. Unfortunately this is not fake news:

    https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2016/12/02/anti-semitism-awareness-bill-passes-senate

    Check out points (3) and (4):

    (3) Demonizing Israel by blaming it for all interreligious or political tensions

    (3) Judge Israel by a double standard that one would not apply to any other democratic nation

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  66. @SolontoCroesus
    annamaria, thanks for the link to "The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution
    and Russia's Early Soviet Regime"

    Weber documented that:


    As an expression of its radically anti-nationalist character, the fledgling Soviet government issued a decree a few months after taking power that made anti-Semitism a crime in Russia. The new Communist regime thus became the first in the world to severely punish all expressions of anti-Jewish sentiment.17 Soviet officials apparently regarded such measures as indispensable. Based on careful observation during a lengthy stay in Russia, American-Jewish scholar Frank Golder reported in 1925 that "because so many of the Soviet leaders are Jews anti-Semitism is gaining [in Russia], particularly in the army [and] among the old and new intelligentsia who are being crowded for positions by the sons of Israel."18
     
    US Senate goes Bolshevik. https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2016/12/02/anti-semitism-awareness-bill-passes-senate

    ---
    Jeremy Black is a prolific British historian. In this talk, he claimed that the Cold War started in World War I; that the USA and its western allies had been trying to eradicate "Bolshevism" for all the years since WWI; WWII was just an "interlude" in the battle against "Bolshevism" -- not "Communism," Black explained, because the Whites were Communist but not Bolshevik. https://www.c-span.org/video/?407529-1/dwight-d-eisenhower-cold-war

    In the piece you linked, Weber quotes Winston Churchill's observations in 1920, about the dominance of Jews in Bolshevik leadership:


    There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate, Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combatting Counter-Revolution [the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.
     
    How did Hitler and National Socialism supplant predominantly Jewish Bolshevik terrorism as the greatest threat to "Christian civilization" in Churchill's thinking?

    Furthermore, why is it that at a time when millions of Russians were being killed by Stalinists (Bolsheviks), among the very first acts FDR undertook after taking office in 1933 was to go behind the backs of his State Department and delegate Henry Morgenthau, Jr. to negotiate financial deals with Stalin's government?

    Why did FDR perceive Germany to be a graver threat than Bolsheviks? After all, as numerous Jewish scholars on holocaust concede, NSDAP "quelled violence toward Jews, and no Jew was sent to a concentration camp" until mid-November 1938.

    There was a double game going on; I think its mastermind was Bernard Baruch. I think Baruch maneuvered FDR & Churchill to get Hitler to fight Stalin to destroy Bolshevism but really to prevent a German-Russian alliance that would have given Russia & Germany control of the World Island;, and Stalin to fight Hitler to destroy Germany (for similar reason re the World Island) after first scaring as many wealthy Jews as possible out of Germany, and migrating as many Jews as possible from Europe to USA; USA to destroy/supplant the British empire; wealth, power, and positioning of Jews in US government and institutions were the goal.

    It may be that Stalin proved a tougher nut to crack, though, and FDR's death caused a disruption, or extension of the timetable for zionized USA to gain control of the Mackinder space.

    Furthermore, why is it that at a time when millions of Russians were being killed by Stalinists (Bolsheviks), among the very first acts FDR undertook after taking office in 1933 was to go behind the backs of his State Department and delegate Henry Morgenthau, Jr. to negotiate financial deals with Stalin’s government?

    Not only Russians were being killed (as they had been under Lenin) but Ukrainians as well. The bloody, hideous Uncle Joey Stalin had just finished off between seven and ten million of them in the Holodomor (1932-33), yet in 1933 under FDR, the US first recognized the USSR. In 1933 Hitler was just coming into power.

    FDR’s ghost has a lot to answer for I think.

    You protest, and with justice, each time Hitler jails an opponent; but you forget that Stalin and company have jailed and murdered a thousand times as many. It seems to me, and indeed the evidence is plain, that compared to the Moscow brigands and assassins, Hitler is hardly more than a common Ku Kluxer and Mussolini almost a philanthropist.

    - H. L. Mencken, in an open letter to Upton Sinclair, printed in The American Mercury, June 1936

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  67. @Quartermaster
    RT is broadcasts little more than Putinist propaganda. The MSM in the US is little better, if at all.

    I watch RT News almost every day and consider it better than any of the US News broadcasts that I also watch, though less regularly due to them being so blatantly false.

    The BBC has gone from bad to worse. No information is better than disinformation but RT often shows both sides of the reporting of an event simply to showcase the inaccuracies. Seeing is believing whether one comes from MO or not.

    I almost feel sorry for Mark Toner and his ilk having to lie like they do and it’s not like it comes naturally to them as it does with Mark Regev. Toner looks very uncomfortable having to lie and defend the indefensible, maybe Sham Sama would do a better job of it having so much of the required experience.

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  68. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    (3) Judge Israel by a double standard that one would not apply to any other democratic nation

    You mean like Sudan being allowed to illegally occupy 493,000 square miles of Darfur ( or 250x the amount of land Israel is accused of occupying ) and genocide 1 million plus Darfuris ( or 50x the amount of Palestinians killed in the Israel Palestinain conflict ) and the world media agrees to have a media black out but instead puts Israel on the news 24/7 ??

    Or like Indonesia being allowed to illegally occupy 150,000 square miles of Papua ( or 80x the amount of land Israel is accused of occupying ) and genocide 500,000 + Papuans ( or 25x the amount of Palestinians killed in the Israel Palestinain conflict ) and the world media agrees to have a media black out but instead puts Israel on the news 24/7 ??

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    as Sam Shama has pointed out, anon, jealousy is so unattractive.
  69. @anon

    (3) Judge Israel by a double standard that one would not apply to any other democratic nation
     
    You mean like Sudan being allowed to illegally occupy 493,000 square miles of Darfur ( or 250x the amount of land Israel is accused of occupying ) and genocide 1 million plus Darfuris ( or 50x the amount of Palestinians killed in the Israel Palestinain conflict ) and the world media agrees to have a media black out but instead puts Israel on the news 24/7 ??


    Or like Indonesia being allowed to illegally occupy 150,000 square miles of Papua ( or 80x the amount of land Israel is accused of occupying ) and genocide 500,000 + Papuans ( or 25x the amount of Palestinians killed in the Israel Palestinain conflict ) and the world media agrees to have a media black out but instead puts Israel on the news 24/7 ??

    as Sam Shama has pointed out, anon, jealousy is so unattractive.

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    Yes it is quite unattractive , I agree . The numerous posters and authors whining about Israel day in and day out would be far more attractive if they could channel their jealousy into something more productive . As you know , in apartheid Iran it is against the law to be homosexual or to convert from Islam to Christianity . The punishment for the crime is death . 7,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since 1980. Truly caring humanitarians would be wise to help end these barbaric laws and practices .

    Iran is also adept at hanging teen age girls and school teachers from cranes for the crime of belonging to the Bahai religion . As in the case of Mona Mahnudinzhad , after a series of interrogations which involved physical torture by being whipped on the soles of her feet with a cable, she and 9 other female school teachers who were executed by hanging from cranes in Shiraz , Iran .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mona_Mahmudnizhad

    By the way , are you still pretending to be a Zoroastrian or has that particular piece of Takkiyah been put to rest ??
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    @SolontoCroesus
    as Sam Shama has pointed out, anon, jealousy is so unattractive.

    Yes it is quite unattractive , I agree . The numerous posters and authors whining about Israel day in and day out would be far more attractive if they could channel their jealousy into something more productive . As you know , in apartheid Iran it is against the law to be homosexual or to convert from Islam to Christianity . The punishment for the crime is death . 7,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since 1980. Truly caring humanitarians would be wise to help end these barbaric laws and practices .

    Iran is also adept at hanging teen age girls and school teachers from cranes for the crime of belonging to the Bahai religion . As in the case of Mona Mahnudinzhad , after a series of interrogations which involved physical torture by being whipped on the soles of her feet with a cable, she and 9 other female school teachers who were executed by hanging from cranes in Shiraz , Iran .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mona_Mahmudnizhad

    By the way , are you still pretending to be a Zoroastrian or has that particular piece of Takkiyah been put to rest ??

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    ah. wikipedia reported it so it must be so.
    Not even gonna bother to scan the basis of your claims that "Iran kills homosexuals." I travelled to and in Iran with a gay person who visits Iran regularly, specifically to obtain medicines and treatment that are more readily available in Iran than in USA.

    But let's stick to the thesis of this article, shall we?

    Numerous organs of (dis)information in US -- therefore throughout the globe -- distort and fake that information, inventing or hyperbolizing the bad acts of targeted adversaries.
    Information about the bad acts of Israel, on the other hand, do not appear in the information stream.
    Information is a critical importance to a people whose governance takes its power to govern from the assent of the people.

    In the current spate of distorted information about a targeted adversary, Russian information outlets are labeled "fake" and "Propaganda."

    But we KNOW that Israel has a policy of lying about the information it disseminates, and trains and uses college-age Jews to do so
    http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

    Israelis (Jews? zionists?) teach those who disseminate information, whether about Israel or about others, how to manipulate that information for the intended, distorted effect --

    https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2009/07/10/the-israel-projects-secret-hasbara-handbook-exposed/



    Israel takes particular pains to pollute information on wikipedia:

    http://www.france24.com/en/20130617-biased-wikipedia-israel-political-meddling-arnie-draiman-monitor-ngo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBramnCg_s

    "the goal of the [project] is to teach people to edit wikipedia . . . we want to ensure that it is zionist in nature." - Naftali Bennett



    and Israel has a long-standing policy of censoring information, using its military as information overlords:
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.701462

    and also of chilling what Americans and others world-wide say and think about Jews, via an office created by Hillary Clinton in the State Department whose dossier is to sniff out "antisemitism" worldwide

    http://www.state.gov/s/rga/seas/index.htm

    That office and its agenda are being made part of the law of the land through legislation spearheaded by Bob Casey, Democrat senator from Pennsylvania

    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/308493-senate-passes-college-anti-semitism-bill

    Casey is an interesting choice to lead the Bolshevik-style effort to curtail First Amendment rights in the USA. Shortly after Bob Casey, Jr., then Treasurer of the State of Pennsylvania, announced that he would challenge Rick Santorum for the seat, a Jewish newspaper in Pennsylvania carried a front-page report that named the AIPAC operatives who shepherded Casey to Israel. Upon their return, they reported that, while Santorum had been a reliable advocate for Israel's interests, these AIPAC factotums were assured that "Casey will be just as 'good for the Jews.' "

    Casey followed in the footsteps of his father in making a career in Pennsylvania state government. Casey, Jr. was the state's auditor general and then treasurer. In both offices Casey paid special attention to pension funds and pension fund investing.

    Shortly after he was victorious in his bid for the Senate, in 2007 a group calling itself the Iran Task Force organized public meetings to "warn Americans" of the "threat" posed by a "nuclear Iran." Fliers were stark black with a picture of a flame-colored mushroom cloud and the legend (iirc) "Nuclear Iran, a threat to humanity." Patrick Clawson, of WINEP, made the keynote presentation; sponsors of the hate-speech event were AIPAC, ZOA, Jewish Federation, etc., -- in all, about eight Jewish organizations, plus one, lone Black pastor of a desk-top Christian organization, whose presence validated the event's billing as "multi denominational."
    The agenda of the Iran Task Force was to encourage state pension funds to divest their state retirement systems from funds that were in any way linked to Iran.
    , @annamaria
    "The numerous posters and authors whining about Israel day in and day out would be far more attractive if they could channel their jealousy into something more productive."

    Well. Israel has a choice to stay out of limelight by stopping using the US as a host for parasitic goals of Israel (and Israel-firsters). It was not Iran that has been building numerous Holocaust Museums to remind everyone about the special sufferings of Jewish people in the context of special moral character of Jewish people. And it was not Iranian Lobby that has been working hard to suppress any truthful intelligence from the Middle East (see Ledeen) in order to start remaking the Middle East to Israel's liking (please familiarize yourself with the Iraq-related activities of Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith). Currently, Netanyahu wants ISIS to stay strong in Syria (which means more bloodshed there) to counterbalance Iran, whereas the despicable Mr. Weiss demands that more American military servicemen join "moderate" jihadis (affiliates of Al Qaeda) in Syria to prevent the rebuilding of the sovereign state of Syria.
    Here is a pattern: the US blood & treasure have been spilled/spent in the Middle East on the urging of the loyalist to Israel. The attention to Israel (and Israel-firsters) is related not to some imagined jalousie but to the endangerment of the wellbeing of US citizenry at large. Stop parasitizing instead of crying anti-semitism.
    , @jacques sheete

    "The numerous posters and authors whining about Israel day in and day out would be far more attractive if they could channel their jealousy into something more productive."
     
    Yeah, well the Zio-Israeli sympathizers themselves would have much less to whine about if they'd channel their energies away from "influencing" the US government to do their murderous, destructive bidding.

    It would also help if fewer US tax dollars and other special treatment were channeled somewhere other than the Zio mobsters.
  71. An Israeli lawyer is working to eliminate the First Amendment rights of Americans.

    The latest case of Hebrew hubris comes in the form of a hardline murdering Jew, ex-IDF counsel Amos Guiora, who spends most of his time making up legal defenses for the indiscriminate murder of Palestinian political opposition, and now sits in a Utah law school trying to figure out a way to overturn Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), which is seen by legal scholars as a pivotal moment in the history of the Supreme Court’s duty to uphold the First Amendment.

    http://www.dailystormer.com/israeli-jew-lawyer-want-to-shut-down-the-first-amendment/

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  72. @anon
    Yes it is quite unattractive , I agree . The numerous posters and authors whining about Israel day in and day out would be far more attractive if they could channel their jealousy into something more productive . As you know , in apartheid Iran it is against the law to be homosexual or to convert from Islam to Christianity . The punishment for the crime is death . 7,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since 1980. Truly caring humanitarians would be wise to help end these barbaric laws and practices .

    Iran is also adept at hanging teen age girls and school teachers from cranes for the crime of belonging to the Bahai religion . As in the case of Mona Mahnudinzhad , after a series of interrogations which involved physical torture by being whipped on the soles of her feet with a cable, she and 9 other female school teachers who were executed by hanging from cranes in Shiraz , Iran .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mona_Mahmudnizhad

    By the way , are you still pretending to be a Zoroastrian or has that particular piece of Takkiyah been put to rest ??

    ah. wikipedia reported it so it must be so.
    Not even gonna bother to scan the basis of your claims that “Iran kills homosexuals.” I travelled to and in Iran with a gay person who visits Iran regularly, specifically to obtain medicines and treatment that are more readily available in Iran than in USA.

    But let’s stick to the thesis of this article, shall we?

    Numerous organs of (dis)information in US — therefore throughout the globe — distort and fake that information, inventing or hyperbolizing the bad acts of targeted adversaries.
    Information about the bad acts of Israel, on the other hand, do not appear in the information stream.
    Information is a critical importance to a people whose governance takes its power to govern from the assent of the people.

    In the current spate of distorted information about a targeted adversary, Russian information outlets are labeled “fake” and “Propaganda.”

    But we KNOW that Israel has a policy of lying about the information it disseminates, and trains and uses college-age Jews to do so

    http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

    Israelis (Jews? zionists?) teach those who disseminate information, whether about Israel or about others, how to manipulate that information for the intended, distorted effect –

    https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2009/07/10/the-israel-projects-secret-hasbara-handbook-exposed/

    Israel takes particular pains to pollute information on wikipedia:

    http://www.france24.com/en/20130617-biased-wikipedia-israel-political-meddling-arnie-draiman-monitor-ngo

    “the goal of the [project] is to teach people to edit wikipedia . . . we want to ensure that it is zionist in nature.” – Naftali Bennett

    and Israel has a long-standing policy of censoring information, using its military as information overlords:

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.701462

    and also of chilling what Americans and others world-wide say and think about Jews, via an office created by Hillary Clinton in the State Department whose dossier is to sniff out “antisemitism” worldwide

    http://www.state.gov/s/rga/seas/index.htm

    That office and its agenda are being made part of the law of the land through legislation spearheaded by Bob Casey, Democrat senator from Pennsylvania

    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/308493-senate-passes-college-anti-semitism-bill

    Casey is an interesting choice to lead the Bolshevik-style effort to curtail First Amendment rights in the USA. Shortly after Bob Casey, Jr., then Treasurer of the State of Pennsylvania, announced that he would challenge Rick Santorum for the seat, a Jewish newspaper in Pennsylvania carried a front-page report that named the AIPAC operatives who shepherded Casey to Israel. Upon their return, they reported that, while Santorum had been a reliable advocate for Israel’s interests, these AIPAC factotums were assured that “Casey will be just as ‘good for the Jews.’ ”

    Casey followed in the footsteps of his father in making a career in Pennsylvania state government. Casey, Jr. was the state’s auditor general and then treasurer. In both offices Casey paid special attention to pension funds and pension fund investing.

    Shortly after he was victorious in his bid for the Senate, in 2007 a group calling itself the Iran Task Force organized public meetings to “warn Americans” of the “threat” posed by a “nuclear Iran.” Fliers were stark black with a picture of a flame-colored mushroom cloud and the legend (iirc) “Nuclear Iran, a threat to humanity.” Patrick Clawson, of WINEP, made the keynote presentation; sponsors of the hate-speech event were AIPAC, ZOA, Jewish Federation, etc., — in all, about eight Jewish organizations, plus one, lone Black pastor of a desk-top Christian organization, whose presence validated the event’s billing as “multi denominational.”
    The agenda of the Iran Task Force was to encourage state pension funds to divest their state retirement systems from funds that were in any way linked to Iran.

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    Hey S2C,

    Good stuff! It looks like 'anon' is here to distract with copy-paste again. Like you, I'd like to see a solid, academic reference for the 7000 homosexuals killed also. If the source is something like MEK, well, who cares?

    Here's a great interview the intrepid Dr. Paul did with an Iranian Jew (living in Iran-geles, my old stomping grounds) who spent 3 months in Iran and reports back on the misinformation about Iran (the meat of it starts around 13 min mark):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V77vxbV1jXs

    Well worth the watch.

    Peace.

  73. Appears my personal witch-finder, and self-appointed representative of the jewish people in their struggle to silence criticism of them and of their particular concerns, “robbersdog”, has suddenly popped up again, with an explanation of just how he and his collaborators (he speaks of “we” but doesn’t identify who that is) intend to try to use the law in Britain to silence one critic, Alison Chabloz (someone I don’t recall having heard of before now), next week:

    I owe you an apology; by your own admission, you were looking forward to the great adventure of being arrested and charged in relation to your antisemitic hate-speech. And yet it hasn’t happened. Or at least, not yet. Unfortunately, the rather complex Home Office rules which govern the police’s approach to hate-speech (everything is controlled and guided by the CPS) means that arrests/charges take an eternity. There’s a backlog of such cases (growing by the week), but slowly and surely, charges are being pressed and prosecutions are happening.

    However, there IS good news. If cases are strung out for too long, or if they hit the buffers completely, then we reserve the right to privately prosecute any case that we believe warrants that approach. If you want to know how that works, then just come along to Westminster Magistrates Court at 9:30am next Thursday (15th December) when the first of our private prosecutions kicks off against Alison Chabloz. If it’s all too complicated for you to comprehend, just think in terms of private medical insurance; the treatment might be the same as that offered by the NHS, but because it’s not paid for by the taxpayer, ie, it’s ‘privately’ paid for, it happens that much more quickly and efficiently. So even if the police don’t charge you (and I have been given no indication that they won’t), you will still face justice. Interestingly, within 24-hours of the Chabloz case being listed, the CPS jumped in and ordered the police to arrest her, search her home and confiscate all her devices. So chin up – you’ll be dealt with eventually.

    Note the gloating reference at the end to the way the process is used as punishment in such cases. This has been one of robbersdog’s favourite themes on this topic – he clearly gets considerable pleasure from the thought of the gross intrusion and inconvenience he can vicariously impose on people who say things he doesn’t like, using the power of the state and enabled by these tyrannical laws.

    Coming soon to the US as well, once the appropriate “hate speech” exception to the First Amendment protections has been arranged.

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    Randal, I am alarmed at the path Britain has started to tread on. It's really the thin end of the wedge, and can't imagine this perfidy of a statute surviving scrutiny and protest.

    This latest Senate bill in the U.S. is a bit of a joke and it is my hope and expectation that it'll be summarily trashed by the courts here, or at worst remain a curious anomaly, never to be seriously invoked by the DoE.

    I defend Israel's record against exaggerated charges but wouldn't consider a method which tramples on free speech, preferring to debate instead, on the merits of an open argument, reason and evidence, irrespective of the number of voices raised against, rather than in favour of my opinion.

    One shouldn't have it any other way.

  74. What needs to be told is THE TRUTH about the goals of the Zionist/Communists to run the world.

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  75. @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    Jews have money, power and military might.

    Jews aren't whimpering and crying. You are.

    Sherm

    PS - How are the PORK and beans?

    pork-spirited

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  76. Our good friend here, Mr Israel Shamir, recently commented on Unz that “the Jewish century is over”. Perhaps he was being a bit too optimistic.

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  77. A) This has nothing to do with Donald Trump, the media does not “hate him”, that is just a play, for our entertainment.

    B) The media is the the originator of anything, they are JUST the mouth piece for the machine.

    C) This is all likely the true culmination of the 2016 election. From the beginning this was a plan, Clinton was never going to be president, and this was part of the plan to take out the alternative media via Russia.

    D) You can always tell when its a Zionist master plan, because the story never dies, it is always in the news, in one form of another. Each aspect of the media playing its role, as will the politicians whores and Hollywood.

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  78. @Randal
    Appears my personal witch-finder, and self-appointed representative of the jewish people in their struggle to silence criticism of them and of their particular concerns, "robbersdog", has suddenly popped up again, with an explanation of just how he and his collaborators (he speaks of "we" but doesn't identify who that is) intend to try to use the law in Britain to silence one critic, Alison Chabloz (someone I don't recall having heard of before now), next week:

    I owe you an apology; by your own admission, you were looking forward to the great adventure of being arrested and charged in relation to your antisemitic hate-speech. And yet it hasn't happened. Or at least, not yet. Unfortunately, the rather complex Home Office rules which govern the police's approach to hate-speech (everything is controlled and guided by the CPS) means that arrests/charges take an eternity. There's a backlog of such cases (growing by the week), but slowly and surely, charges are being pressed and prosecutions are happening.

    However, there IS good news. If cases are strung out for too long, or if they hit the buffers completely, then we reserve the right to privately prosecute any case that we believe warrants that approach. If you want to know how that works, then just come along to Westminster Magistrates Court at 9:30am next Thursday (15th December) when the first of our private prosecutions kicks off against Alison Chabloz. If it's all too complicated for you to comprehend, just think in terms of private medical insurance; the treatment might be the same as that offered by the NHS, but because it's not paid for by the taxpayer, ie, it's 'privately' paid for, it happens that much more quickly and efficiently. So even if the police don't charge you (and I have been given no indication that they won't), you will still face justice. Interestingly, within 24-hours of the Chabloz case being listed, the CPS jumped in and ordered the police to arrest her, search her home and confiscate all her devices. So chin up - you'll be dealt with eventually.
     
    Note the gloating reference at the end to the way the process is used as punishment in such cases. This has been one of robbersdog's favourite themes on this topic - he clearly gets considerable pleasure from the thought of the gross intrusion and inconvenience he can vicariously impose on people who say things he doesn't like, using the power of the state and enabled by these tyrannical laws.

    Coming soon to the US as well, once the appropriate "hate speech" exception to the First Amendment protections has been arranged.

    Randal, I am alarmed at the path Britain has started to tread on. It’s really the thin end of the wedge, and can’t imagine this perfidy of a statute surviving scrutiny and protest.

    This latest Senate bill in the U.S. is a bit of a joke and it is my hope and expectation that it’ll be summarily trashed by the courts here, or at worst remain a curious anomaly, never to be seriously invoked by the DoE.

    I defend Israel’s record against exaggerated charges but wouldn’t consider a method which tramples on free speech, preferring to debate instead, on the merits of an open argument, reason and evidence, irrespective of the number of voices raised against, rather than in favour of my opinion.

    One shouldn’t have it any other way.

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    I appreciate the comment and understand and respect your position. One can (or should be able to) debate the most contentious issues in the most heated terms, and yet turn around and respect the right of the opponent to make his case. My impression is that you give as good as you get here, which can reasonably be described as the lion's den as far as your position is concerned.

    The problem is that people like "robbersdog" and organisations like the "Campaign Against Antisemitism" that he obviously works with, are unable to recognise that they have the right to respond verbally to verbal "attacks", but when they seek to go beyond that they are in the wrong. And such identity lobbying (like the similar race-baiting of black advocates such as Jesse Jackson in the past) wins them status, profit and opportunities to vicariously bully and inflict suffering on their targets, but in doing so they generate bitter hatred and hostility that will come back and bite innocent members of their community in the long run.

    Here's another case reported recently in Britain:

    A far right activist who posted "vile, anti-Semitic material" online ahead of a planned neo-Nazi rally in London has been jailed for more than three years.

    I know nothing more about the case than is in that report, and it is possible that this individual represents the "worst case" for defenders of free speech in this area - a genuine anti-Semite who really hates jewish people and quite possibly advocates violence and maybe gave his targets real reasons to fear physical assaults. It may even be that, if there is some of the latter, then a criminal intervention was appropriate for those aspects of his speech - that's where the right to free speech ends, not at offence but at direct threats. But look at the sentence! Three years and four months in prison!

    Compare that with the laughable sentence of four years (amounting to two years inside given good behaviour) given to the unprovoked killer of an Aspergers man - a hefty young thug and previously convicted criminal out on a suspended sentence for robbery who decided his victim had "disrespected" his mate. That outrageous sentence was explicitly tested before the Court of Appeal, whose members in their "wisdom" somehow concluded it was "not unduly lenient".

    One punch killer sentence 'a joke', says victim's mother

    Lewis Gill: Death punch man's jail term upheld

    Four years for killing a man in an act of unprovoked violence. Three years and four months for offensive speech.
  79. @SmoothieX12

    And there is always Iran to worry about. If the United States can successfully avoid a war with Russia, a conflict with the Mullahs could have major consequences even if the all-powerful U.S. military successfully rolls over its Iranian counterpart in less than a week
     
    US "all-powerful" military will not be able to "roll over" Iran for a simple reason that it will have to first preposition itself to do so, thus providing a crucial "threatening period". This will, as in 100% guarantee, precipitate acceptance of Iran into the SCO and, possibly, under specific circumstances, into CSTO. That will mean only one thing either way--facing "weak" Russian military's conventional capabilities both directly (such as possible Russian military bases on Iran's territory) and by proxy. It will be absolutely fascinating to contemplate what force US Army will have to deploy to even have a shot at Tehran, which is colossal and is in a very difficult terrain. Plus, of course, the fact that while still not first rate soldiers, Iranians sure as hell are not Arabs in terms of military organization and capabilities--they are much better. Russia will not allow any hostile power to have a foothold around Caspian Sea. This whole thing will also bring Baku very-very close to Moscow and this will have major geopolitical implications not for the region only. Phil, let's be honest, US military didn't face near peer, let alone peer in war since 1950. The idea that Russia would sit and do nothing while fecal matter will be hitting the fan in her southern underbelly is, frankly, preposterous. The STAVKA of Southern Direction (Command) was established in 1970s in Baku for a very good reason. Let's put it this way--Iran is so not Iraq, that no number of superlatives about US military capability can overshadow the fact of Iran potentially becoming such a bloody quagmire that even Vietnam would look like a stroll in the park.

    And you think China is going to sit by and wait for it to be next on the menu?

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    And you think China is going to sit by and wait for it to be next on the menu?
     
    This I don't know. I am not closely acquainted with Chinese decision making. I assume they will react one way or another.
  80. One might suppose that the Supreme Court would rule a law of this kind unconstitutional.

    But no. The Supreme Court ALSO is Zionist-occupied.

    They’ve got us surrounded and outgunned. Get in line. And stay there.

    Or else. All hail our new Zionist God!

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  81. @SmoothieX12

    And there is always Iran to worry about. If the United States can successfully avoid a war with Russia, a conflict with the Mullahs could have major consequences even if the all-powerful U.S. military successfully rolls over its Iranian counterpart in less than a week
     
    US "all-powerful" military will not be able to "roll over" Iran for a simple reason that it will have to first preposition itself to do so, thus providing a crucial "threatening period". This will, as in 100% guarantee, precipitate acceptance of Iran into the SCO and, possibly, under specific circumstances, into CSTO. That will mean only one thing either way--facing "weak" Russian military's conventional capabilities both directly (such as possible Russian military bases on Iran's territory) and by proxy. It will be absolutely fascinating to contemplate what force US Army will have to deploy to even have a shot at Tehran, which is colossal and is in a very difficult terrain. Plus, of course, the fact that while still not first rate soldiers, Iranians sure as hell are not Arabs in terms of military organization and capabilities--they are much better. Russia will not allow any hostile power to have a foothold around Caspian Sea. This whole thing will also bring Baku very-very close to Moscow and this will have major geopolitical implications not for the region only. Phil, let's be honest, US military didn't face near peer, let alone peer in war since 1950. The idea that Russia would sit and do nothing while fecal matter will be hitting the fan in her southern underbelly is, frankly, preposterous. The STAVKA of Southern Direction (Command) was established in 1970s in Baku for a very good reason. Let's put it this way--Iran is so not Iraq, that no number of superlatives about US military capability can overshadow the fact of Iran potentially becoming such a bloody quagmire that even Vietnam would look like a stroll in the park.

    Excellent points on the military tip (as always), Smoothie.

    Couple of things to think about…
    1) Arabs can make quite capable fighters; Hezbollah is a case study (though one could say, well, they have had lots of Persian influence).
    2) There seems to be a pivot occurring of Iran and Pakistan towards their historic ties (cultural mostly) – and now economic:

    http://thediplomat.com/2016/10/china-iran-and-one-belt-one-road/

    If the Pakistanis start shifting away from Saudi towards a more balanced approach to Iran – and possibly military cooperation, that will further drive a nail in the coffin of any attack because using Pakistan as a base of operations will not be possible – also you wouldn’t want to encourage any ‘accidental’ transfers of nuclear weapons from one country to protect what it considers its civilizational progenitor. And I doubt the Iraqis will let them base operations from there either.

    So I think, as you said, invasion is likely out of the question – maybe a massive volley of ship-based cruise missiles to set Iran’s military back a decade or so is the only thing in the cards.

    Peace.

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    1) Arabs can make quite capable fighters; Hezbollah is a case study (though one could say, well, they have had lots of Persian influence).
     
    Arabs, with the exception of Syria now--and I mean Syrian Army, not just Russian contingent there, do not have access to the most modern and capable technology in sufficient numbers (quantities) which may have a very serious operational and even strategic impact. Syria is different. Just an example, it looks like several latest Yak-130 combat trainer/light attack plane have been spotted over Syria. That means one thing only, Syrian Air Force being trained for a much more advanced planes. Same goes for Syria's ground forces who do operate T-90As. It seems that Syria will be the first Arab nation which will have not only combat tested (however exhausted) Arab Armed Forces but a truly modern one. I am not counting Saudi Arabia's menagerie of expensive war toys as a serious military asset, as events in Yemen so abundantly showed. Iran, who did allow Russian Air Space Forces to strike jihadists from its territory certainly made it clear that it is ready to take things to a completely new level. What level is this? I can only speculate but the actual Russian-Iranian military alliance doesn't seem to be that far-fetched anymore. Hopefully, this will not have to go to this. A lot, and I mean a lot, depends on what Trump and Putin will agree to.

    As per Pakistani-Iranian relations, I don't know what realistically is going on there. For Russia it is all a very delicate play in subcontinent since involves a huge semi-ally India. The world, always complex, has become recently a helluva more complex than usual. Hopefully, Trump's team will keep him properly informed, unlike it is the case with the outgoing collection of hacks who almost got all of us into the real big war.

  82. @SolontoCroesus
    ah. wikipedia reported it so it must be so.
    Not even gonna bother to scan the basis of your claims that "Iran kills homosexuals." I travelled to and in Iran with a gay person who visits Iran regularly, specifically to obtain medicines and treatment that are more readily available in Iran than in USA.

    But let's stick to the thesis of this article, shall we?

    Numerous organs of (dis)information in US -- therefore throughout the globe -- distort and fake that information, inventing or hyperbolizing the bad acts of targeted adversaries.
    Information about the bad acts of Israel, on the other hand, do not appear in the information stream.
    Information is a critical importance to a people whose governance takes its power to govern from the assent of the people.

    In the current spate of distorted information about a targeted adversary, Russian information outlets are labeled "fake" and "Propaganda."

    But we KNOW that Israel has a policy of lying about the information it disseminates, and trains and uses college-age Jews to do so
    http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

    Israelis (Jews? zionists?) teach those who disseminate information, whether about Israel or about others, how to manipulate that information for the intended, distorted effect --

    https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2009/07/10/the-israel-projects-secret-hasbara-handbook-exposed/



    Israel takes particular pains to pollute information on wikipedia:

    http://www.france24.com/en/20130617-biased-wikipedia-israel-political-meddling-arnie-draiman-monitor-ngo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBramnCg_s

    "the goal of the [project] is to teach people to edit wikipedia . . . we want to ensure that it is zionist in nature." - Naftali Bennett



    and Israel has a long-standing policy of censoring information, using its military as information overlords:
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.701462

    and also of chilling what Americans and others world-wide say and think about Jews, via an office created by Hillary Clinton in the State Department whose dossier is to sniff out "antisemitism" worldwide

    http://www.state.gov/s/rga/seas/index.htm

    That office and its agenda are being made part of the law of the land through legislation spearheaded by Bob Casey, Democrat senator from Pennsylvania

    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/308493-senate-passes-college-anti-semitism-bill

    Casey is an interesting choice to lead the Bolshevik-style effort to curtail First Amendment rights in the USA. Shortly after Bob Casey, Jr., then Treasurer of the State of Pennsylvania, announced that he would challenge Rick Santorum for the seat, a Jewish newspaper in Pennsylvania carried a front-page report that named the AIPAC operatives who shepherded Casey to Israel. Upon their return, they reported that, while Santorum had been a reliable advocate for Israel's interests, these AIPAC factotums were assured that "Casey will be just as 'good for the Jews.' "

    Casey followed in the footsteps of his father in making a career in Pennsylvania state government. Casey, Jr. was the state's auditor general and then treasurer. In both offices Casey paid special attention to pension funds and pension fund investing.

    Shortly after he was victorious in his bid for the Senate, in 2007 a group calling itself the Iran Task Force organized public meetings to "warn Americans" of the "threat" posed by a "nuclear Iran." Fliers were stark black with a picture of a flame-colored mushroom cloud and the legend (iirc) "Nuclear Iran, a threat to humanity." Patrick Clawson, of WINEP, made the keynote presentation; sponsors of the hate-speech event were AIPAC, ZOA, Jewish Federation, etc., -- in all, about eight Jewish organizations, plus one, lone Black pastor of a desk-top Christian organization, whose presence validated the event's billing as "multi denominational."
    The agenda of the Iran Task Force was to encourage state pension funds to divest their state retirement systems from funds that were in any way linked to Iran.

    Hey S2C,

    Good stuff! It looks like ‘anon’ is here to distract with copy-paste again. Like you, I’d like to see a solid, academic reference for the 7000 homosexuals killed also. If the source is something like MEK, well, who cares?

    Here’s a great interview the intrepid Dr. Paul did with an Iranian Jew (living in Iran-geles, my old stomping grounds) who spent 3 months in Iran and reports back on the misinformation about Iran (the meat of it starts around 13 min mark):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V77vxbV1jXs

    Well worth the watch.

    Peace.

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    these 3 links say 4,000-6,000 homosexuals executed by Iran since 1979. Gets less press than bakeries in Indiana that wont bake cakes for gays.

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/26/iran-kicks-off-2015-executions-at-record-setting-pace/

    http://observer.com/2015/05/how-iran-solved-its-gay-marriage-problem/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran

    Iran doesnt confine themselves to only executing homosexuals. Iran also executes people who convert from Islam to other religions , like these 10 female bahai school teachers executed by public hanging.

    http://bahaichronicles.org/mona-mahmudnizhad/
  83. @TJM
    And you think China is going to sit by and wait for it to be next on the menu?

    And you think China is going to sit by and wait for it to be next on the menu?

    This I don’t know. I am not closely acquainted with Chinese decision making. I assume they will react one way or another.

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  84. @Sam Shama
    Randal, I am alarmed at the path Britain has started to tread on. It's really the thin end of the wedge, and can't imagine this perfidy of a statute surviving scrutiny and protest.

    This latest Senate bill in the U.S. is a bit of a joke and it is my hope and expectation that it'll be summarily trashed by the courts here, or at worst remain a curious anomaly, never to be seriously invoked by the DoE.

    I defend Israel's record against exaggerated charges but wouldn't consider a method which tramples on free speech, preferring to debate instead, on the merits of an open argument, reason and evidence, irrespective of the number of voices raised against, rather than in favour of my opinion.

    One shouldn't have it any other way.

    I appreciate the comment and understand and respect your position. One can (or should be able to) debate the most contentious issues in the most heated terms, and yet turn around and respect the right of the opponent to make his case. My impression is that you give as good as you get here, which can reasonably be described as the lion’s den as far as your position is concerned.

    The problem is that people like “robbersdog” and organisations like the “Campaign Against Antisemitism” that he obviously works with, are unable to recognise that they have the right to respond verbally to verbal “attacks”, but when they seek to go beyond that they are in the wrong. And such identity lobbying (like the similar race-baiting of black advocates such as Jesse Jackson in the past) wins them status, profit and opportunities to vicariously bully and inflict suffering on their targets, but in doing so they generate bitter hatred and hostility that will come back and bite innocent members of their community in the long run.

    Here’s another case reported recently in Britain:

    A far right activist who posted “vile, anti-Semitic material” online ahead of a planned neo-Nazi rally in London has been jailed for more than three years.

    I know nothing more about the case than is in that report, and it is possible that this individual represents the “worst case” for defenders of free speech in this area – a genuine anti-Semite who really hates jewish people and quite possibly advocates violence and maybe gave his targets real reasons to fear physical assaults. It may even be that, if there is some of the latter, then a criminal intervention was appropriate for those aspects of his speech – that’s where the right to free speech ends, not at offence but at direct threats. But look at the sentence! Three years and four months in prison!

    Compare that with the laughable sentence of four years (amounting to two years inside given good behaviour) given to the unprovoked killer of an Aspergers man – a hefty young thug and previously convicted criminal out on a suspended sentence for robbery who decided his victim had “disrespected” his mate. That outrageous sentence was explicitly tested before the Court of Appeal, whose members in their “wisdom” somehow concluded it was “not unduly lenient”.

    One punch killer sentence ‘a joke’, says victim’s mother

    Lewis Gill: Death punch man’s jail term upheld

    Four years for killing a man in an act of unprovoked violence. Three years and four months for offensive speech.

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    [My impression is that you give as good as you get here, which can reasonably be described as the lion’s den as far as your position is concerned.]

    Quite. Yet it's a dull business for the most part, humour rarely in evidence and often I've wondered whether I should persist, with Chesterton reminding:

    "Going mad is the slowest and dullest business in the world. I have very nearly done it more than once in my boyhood, and so have nearly all my friends, born under the general doom of mortals, ..."

  85. @NoseytheDuke
    Futurist William Knoke, author of Bold New World: The Essential Road Map to the Twenty-First Century predicted that there is a strong likelihood that frustrated Palestinians will utilise a dirty bomb at some point to render the area of Israel uninhabitable.

    don’t see why not. the jews are asking for it imo. when you push it too far, the blow back is gonna be monstrous. I can easily see the palestinians do it if they have the dirty bombs.

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  86. @Talha
    Excellent points on the military tip (as always), Smoothie.

    Couple of things to think about...
    1) Arabs can make quite capable fighters; Hezbollah is a case study (though one could say, well, they have had lots of Persian influence).
    2) There seems to be a pivot occurring of Iran and Pakistan towards their historic ties (cultural mostly) - and now economic:
    http://thediplomat.com/2016/10/china-iran-and-one-belt-one-road/
    If the Pakistanis start shifting away from Saudi towards a more balanced approach to Iran - and possibly military cooperation, that will further drive a nail in the coffin of any attack because using Pakistan as a base of operations will not be possible - also you wouldn't want to encourage any 'accidental' transfers of nuclear weapons from one country to protect what it considers its civilizational progenitor. And I doubt the Iraqis will let them base operations from there either.

    So I think, as you said, invasion is likely out of the question - maybe a massive volley of ship-based cruise missiles to set Iran's military back a decade or so is the only thing in the cards.

    Peace.

    1) Arabs can make quite capable fighters; Hezbollah is a case study (though one could say, well, they have had lots of Persian influence).

    Arabs, with the exception of Syria now–and I mean Syrian Army, not just Russian contingent there, do not have access to the most modern and capable technology in sufficient numbers (quantities) which may have a very serious operational and even strategic impact. Syria is different. Just an example, it looks like several latest Yak-130 combat trainer/light attack plane have been spotted over Syria. That means one thing only, Syrian Air Force being trained for a much more advanced planes. Same goes for Syria’s ground forces who do operate T-90As. It seems that Syria will be the first Arab nation which will have not only combat tested (however exhausted) Arab Armed Forces but a truly modern one. I am not counting Saudi Arabia’s menagerie of expensive war toys as a serious military asset, as events in Yemen so abundantly showed. Iran, who did allow Russian Air Space Forces to strike jihadists from its territory certainly made it clear that it is ready to take things to a completely new level. What level is this? I can only speculate but the actual Russian-Iranian military alliance doesn’t seem to be that far-fetched anymore. Hopefully, this will not have to go to this. A lot, and I mean a lot, depends on what Trump and Putin will agree to.

    As per Pakistani-Iranian relations, I don’t know what realistically is going on there. For Russia it is all a very delicate play in subcontinent since involves a huge semi-ally India. The world, always complex, has become recently a helluva more complex than usual. Hopefully, Trump’s team will keep him properly informed, unlike it is the case with the outgoing collection of hacks who almost got all of us into the real big war.

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    Smoothie,

    What can you tell us about today's Israeli bombing [surface to surface] of a military airport near Damascus? (MSM reported on WTOP radio in DC.)
  87. @Montefrío
    " I would like to think that Donald Trump will unpleasantly surprise him based on actual American rather than Israeli interests but am not optimistic."

    That makes two of us. Roll over and play dead, Donnie: the master's voice demands it.

    Fake news come from fake people. These are prople that according to MSM do not exist, and should not exist. This is why from left to right — they still did not change their line. They are the elite and they know what is correct. They defined it, thus it must be true. There is no other truth then the one they create. They create the reality. Thus — everything else is fake. Some fake peoe voted. After MSM explains it — the universe will just go back to its normal orbit.

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  88. @Miro23
    This is a good article and it's clearly all true, but where does Trump fit into it all?

    Part of his vote was to oppose this abuse, no doubt accounting for the non-stop attacks he underwent from the Jewish media, using every kind of smear they could dig up/imagine.

    The position of the Gentile 98% of the US population vs. its Jewish 2% is rather like the position of the South Asian Indians vs. their British rulers in Imperial India, in fact worse, because the British aimed to run an honest and efficient administration and raise the level of Indian education to create a class of administrators ready for Democracy.

    Jewish Imperialism is more of the pure exploitative type, showing greater similarities to Hitler's detailed plans for Russia and the Ukraine. These involved a permanent racial (German) elite separated from the local population in apartheid style, and almost exclusively focused on control and economic exploitation.

    So it looks like Trump has to collaborate (like the rest of the PC Anglos) or be removed.

    A separate point would be that the US Zionists are probably sick and tired of Democracy and its political games, and would prefer an outright dictatorship (Emergency Regime) like the one they tried for (and failed to get) on 9/11, but no doubt they'll try for a second time, probably through a manufactured military confrontation with Russia or China.

    If they get their Emergency Regime, it of course comes with the (much desired) control of US nuclear weapons, allowing them to flatten every Iranian city, and even better, also activate the Patriot Act, Homeland Security and the NSA against domestic terrorists (Deporables) and probably put them in some kind of Gulag for dissidents similar to the one they set up in Russia in the 1920's (15 million Russians and Ukrainians died and disappeared).

    The US population is at great risk but they only seem to be marginally aware of it. When the Bolsheviks pulled middle class Moscow theatre goers of the street and put them directly on trains to the Gulag the usual reaction was "Just a moment, there must be some kind of mistake here."

    “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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  89. Is it a requirement that one has to be an anti Semite to comment on this site. A whole lot of people who comment here as well as Phil Giraldi are in serious need of mental help. Let the anti Semitic abuse commence.

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    Is it a requirement that one has to be an anti Semite to comment on this site.

    No, but you might feel more at home.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    perhaps that is an indictment of the laziness of commenters here, Elmo; it's not at all difficult to be an antisemite.

    According to E Michael Jones in Culture Wars, in 2004 George W Bush signed into law the Global Antisemitism Review Act (antisemitism is most often hyphenated but I'm too lazy to insert that symbol -- but come to think of it, I should: it's the same as the negative sign, so "anti - semitism" creates a double negative, therefore anti-semites are not antisemitic but antisemites are antisemitic).

    Anyway -- Jones recapped the elements of antisemitism:

    In its “Report on Global Anti-Semitism” and its “Global Anti-Semitism Report,” the U.S. State Department lists the following set of beliefs as anti-Semitic:

    1) Any assertion “that the Jewish community controls government, the media, international business and the financial world” is anti-Semitic.

    2) ”Strong anti-Israel sentiment” is anti-Semitic.

    3) ”Virulent criticism” of Israel’s leaders, past or present, is anti-Semitic. According to the State Department, anti-Semitism occurs when a swastika is portrayed in a cartoon decrying the behavior of a past or present Zionist leader. Thus, a cartoon that includes a swastika to criticize Ariel Sharon’s brutal 2002 invasion of the West Bank, raining “hell-fire” missiles on hapless Palestinian men, women and children, is anti-Semitic. Similarly, when the word “Zionazi” is used to describe Sharon’s saturation bombing in Lebanon in 1982 (killing 17,500 innocent refugees), it is also “anti-Semitic.”

    4) Criticism of the Jewish religion or its religious leaders or literature (especially the Talmud and Kabbalah) is anti-Semitic.

    5) Criticism of the U.S. government and Congress for being under undue influence by the Jewish-Zionist community (including AIPAC) is anti-Semitic.

    6) Criticism of the Jewish-Zionist community for promoting globalism (the “New World Order”) is anti-Semitic.

    7) Blaming Jewish leaders and their followers for inciting the Roman crucifixion of Christ is anti-Semitic.

    8) Diminishing the “six million” figure of Holocaust victims is anti-Semitic.

    9) Calling Israel a “racist” state is anti-Semitic.

    10) Asserting that there exists a “Zionist Conspiracy” is anti-Semitic.

    11) Claiming that Jews and their leaders created the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia is anti-Semitic.

    12) Making “derogatory statements about Jewish persons” is anti-Semitic.
     

    http://www.culturewars.com/2006/Conversion.htm

    There you have it: the Twelve Commandments. It was not necessary to explicitly include what was traditionally thought of as the First Commandment, "I am the lord thy god; thou shalt not have strange gods before me," since the new Twelve Commandments are the praxis incorporating that command, Semites (actually zionist Jews) replacing god as the object of singular worship.

    ---
    Bless me father for I have sinned: I just violated the Fourth (New) Commandment.

    , @NoseytheDuke
    Have you ever considered the possibility that a minority of jews in their own supremacist madness are risking yet another blowback that will ultimately harmfully affect all jews?

    Why cannot one criticise the actions of some jews without being accused of harbouring a hatred of all jews?

    America has been pretty good to those who identify as jews yet is is becoming clear to many that some jews are willing to sacrifice America for their own goals of world domination. The Unz Review is a free speech forum so one is bound to encounter a wide range of viewpoints and that is the point of it.
    , @schmenz
    You could help us a lot, Elmo, if you would be kind enough to define antisemitism.
  90. @SmoothieX12

    1) Arabs can make quite capable fighters; Hezbollah is a case study (though one could say, well, they have had lots of Persian influence).
     
    Arabs, with the exception of Syria now--and I mean Syrian Army, not just Russian contingent there, do not have access to the most modern and capable technology in sufficient numbers (quantities) which may have a very serious operational and even strategic impact. Syria is different. Just an example, it looks like several latest Yak-130 combat trainer/light attack plane have been spotted over Syria. That means one thing only, Syrian Air Force being trained for a much more advanced planes. Same goes for Syria's ground forces who do operate T-90As. It seems that Syria will be the first Arab nation which will have not only combat tested (however exhausted) Arab Armed Forces but a truly modern one. I am not counting Saudi Arabia's menagerie of expensive war toys as a serious military asset, as events in Yemen so abundantly showed. Iran, who did allow Russian Air Space Forces to strike jihadists from its territory certainly made it clear that it is ready to take things to a completely new level. What level is this? I can only speculate but the actual Russian-Iranian military alliance doesn't seem to be that far-fetched anymore. Hopefully, this will not have to go to this. A lot, and I mean a lot, depends on what Trump and Putin will agree to.

    As per Pakistani-Iranian relations, I don't know what realistically is going on there. For Russia it is all a very delicate play in subcontinent since involves a huge semi-ally India. The world, always complex, has become recently a helluva more complex than usual. Hopefully, Trump's team will keep him properly informed, unlike it is the case with the outgoing collection of hacks who almost got all of us into the real big war.

    Smoothie,

    What can you tell us about today’s Israeli bombing [surface to surface] of a military airport near Damascus? (MSM reported on WTOP radio in DC.)

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    What can you tell us about today’s Israeli bombing [surface to surface] of a military airport near Damascus?
     
    Nothing more than it was Israeli AF and that Israel has huge issues with Hizbullah. That is expected and we may see other such actions from Israel, who is terrified by appearance of the combat tested and improving Arab military and, as it looks now, a triumphant secular Arab leader aligned with Iran. This is a nightmarish scenario for Israel, who is complicit in, at least, not very "combative" attitude towards all sorts of jihadist scam (from ISIS to JAN), who are having a really bad day (or rather a month) in Syria as I type this. The only other version (less likely, but who knows) is that Israel may try to bomb her own sons of bitches into the ground because who needs witnesses and people who may know something Israel deems undesirable. I think, once ground operations tempo will decrease somewhat and some (real) political settlement will appear on the horizon, Russia will shut down Syrian air space for good.
  91. @Elmo
    Is it a requirement that one has to be an anti Semite to comment on this site. A whole lot of people who comment here as well as Phil Giraldi are in serious need of mental help. Let the anti Semitic abuse commence.

    Is it a requirement that one has to be an anti Semite to comment on this site.

    No, but you might feel more at home.

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  92. @RobinG
    Smoothie,

    What can you tell us about today's Israeli bombing [surface to surface] of a military airport near Damascus? (MSM reported on WTOP radio in DC.)

    What can you tell us about today’s Israeli bombing [surface to surface] of a military airport near Damascus?

    Nothing more than it was Israeli AF and that Israel has huge issues with Hizbullah. That is expected and we may see other such actions from Israel, who is terrified by appearance of the combat tested and improving Arab military and, as it looks now, a triumphant secular Arab leader aligned with Iran. This is a nightmarish scenario for Israel, who is complicit in, at least, not very “combative” attitude towards all sorts of jihadist scam (from ISIS to JAN), who are having a really bad day (or rather a month) in Syria as I type this. The only other version (less likely, but who knows) is that Israel may try to bomb her own sons of bitches into the ground because who needs witnesses and people who may know something Israel deems undesirable. I think, once ground operations tempo will decrease somewhat and some (real) political settlement will appear on the horizon, Russia will shut down Syrian air space for good.

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    That is expected and we may see other such actions from Israel, who is terrified by appearance of the combat tested and improving Arab military
     
    Secular Israelis are indeed cowards but I assure you that they aren't the least bit worried by Hezbollah or the Syrian army.
  93. People who genuinely believe in free speech and the “right to offend” could do worse than send a message of support to Alison Chabloz (https://alisonchabloz.wordpress.com/), who as described in the post I quoted above is facing an attempt to use the law to silence her at Westminster Magistrates Court next week, Thursday December 15.

    I don’t recall hearing of her before this harassment of her was gloatingly drawn to my attention earlier today by a particularly noxious online antisemite-finder, but reading her material she appears to be pro-Brexit, white nationalist and for sure a dissenter from the Official Truth on jewish issues – reading her blog I’d say she’s probably yet another who has found herself spiralling further into that latter dissent as she has faced ever more harassment and bullying to try to force her out of it, but that’s speculation on my part. Anyway, here’s a comment she wrote on her site which certainly wouldn’t be out of place here:

    Being a white nationalist doesn’t mean other groups deserve to be hated. It’s the most natural thing in the world to want to protect and cherish one’s own kind. We need to start behaving in the same way ethnic minority groups behave in a foreign country and take back control.

    Clearly I disagree with a lot of her positions, but imo anyone targeted by speech-crime laws for non-violent speech ought to be supported. In effect, this kind of prosecution is an attempt to import illiberal European-style laws against questioning the Holocaust and against giving offence to specially protected groups without going to the trouble of getting them through Parliament.

    The case appears to be about her uploading a song to the internet. Reading the lyrics, it seems clearly offensive, but no more so than many punk or rap songs that make it into the charts. The assumption must be that those targeting it want it to be held to be “grossly offensive” because of whom it is targeting, as opposed to the wealthy, or white, or police, or other groups routinely abused in far more violent and abusive terms in punk and rap songs.

    Mere offence must not be grounds for criminalisation of speech. The best way to hit back at the wannabee censors and bullies is to make sure a target of theirs like Chabloz comes out of this with a higher profile and audience than ever before.

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  94. @Elmo
    Is it a requirement that one has to be an anti Semite to comment on this site. A whole lot of people who comment here as well as Phil Giraldi are in serious need of mental help. Let the anti Semitic abuse commence.

    perhaps that is an indictment of the laziness of commenters here, Elmo; it’s not at all difficult to be an antisemite.

    According to E Michael Jones in Culture Wars, in 2004 George W Bush signed into law the Global Antisemitism Review Act (antisemitism is most often hyphenated but I’m too lazy to insert that symbol — but come to think of it, I should: it’s the same as the negative sign, so “anti – semitism” creates a double negative, therefore anti-semites are not antisemitic but antisemites are antisemitic).

    Anyway — Jones recapped the elements of antisemitism:

    In its “Report on Global Anti-Semitism” and its “Global Anti-Semitism Report,” the U.S. State Department lists the following set of beliefs as anti-Semitic:

    1) Any assertion “that the Jewish community controls government, the media, international business and the financial world” is anti-Semitic.

    2) ”Strong anti-Israel sentiment” is anti-Semitic.

    3) ”Virulent criticism” of Israel’s leaders, past or present, is anti-Semitic. According to the State Department, anti-Semitism occurs when a swastika is portrayed in a cartoon decrying the behavior of a past or present Zionist leader. Thus, a cartoon that includes a swastika to criticize Ariel Sharon’s brutal 2002 invasion of the West Bank, raining “hell-fire” missiles on hapless Palestinian men, women and children, is anti-Semitic. Similarly, when the word “Zionazi” is used to describe Sharon’s saturation bombing in Lebanon in 1982 (killing 17,500 innocent refugees), it is also “anti-Semitic.”

    4) Criticism of the Jewish religion or its religious leaders or literature (especially the Talmud and Kabbalah) is anti-Semitic.

    5) Criticism of the U.S. government and Congress for being under undue influence by the Jewish-Zionist community (including AIPAC) is anti-Semitic.

    6) Criticism of the Jewish-Zionist community for promoting globalism (the “New World Order”) is anti-Semitic.

    7) Blaming Jewish leaders and their followers for inciting the Roman crucifixion of Christ is anti-Semitic.

    8) Diminishing the “six million” figure of Holocaust victims is anti-Semitic.

    9) Calling Israel a “racist” state is anti-Semitic.

    10) Asserting that there exists a “Zionist Conspiracy” is anti-Semitic.

    11) Claiming that Jews and their leaders created the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia is anti-Semitic.

    12) Making “derogatory statements about Jewish persons” is anti-Semitic.

    http://www.culturewars.com/2006/Conversion.htm

    There you have it: the Twelve Commandments. It was not necessary to explicitly include what was traditionally thought of as the First Commandment, “I am the lord thy god; thou shalt not have strange gods before me,” since the new Twelve Commandments are the praxis incorporating that command, Semites (actually zionist Jews) replacing god as the object of singular worship.


    Bless me father for I have sinned: I just violated the Fourth (New) Commandment.

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  95. If criticizing Israel, even slightly, is anti-Semitism, then it must work in other cases, I suppose. So everybody who criticizes Russia, even slightly, is a Russophobe. That is the entire Western establishment and media are Russophobes. Well, I like that logic. Can I also ask the Congress to pass a bill against Russophobia? Because I constantly feel offended and oppressed after reading Western MSM, and that’s macro-aggression on a global level. As an offended and oppressed minority I need my safe space. I’m serious!

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    sorry Boris N, you're shit outta luck. Semitism is the Official Religion of the USA empire.

    You've just offended the underlying requirement of the 12 Commandments: thou shalt not have strange gods before the great god Sem.

    Better hide your Russian god; look at what the high priests of Sem did to the followers of Ba'al; to the people of Cyrus who followed Zoroaster; to the people of the Pharaoh; to the people who followed a symbol resembling the cross found on a Benedictine monastery in Lambach, Austria. Christ almighty, look what they did to Christ almighty.*

    The high priests of Sem declared these gods and their symbols to be signs of "Jew hatred" **



    Lest the text (linked) of James Wise, the Son-of-high-priest Rabbi Stephen Wise confuse you, high-priestlet Wise condemns the "swastika," but the people whose symbol it was called it a hakenkreuz. It resembles a Hindu swastika, but the overall banner also resembles banners frequently and proudly displayed in Harvard Yard, which is, oddly enough, a kind of minor seminary for many of Sem's high priests.


    * ooops. Bless me father for I have sinned against the 3rd and 7th of the New 12 Commandments.
    ** "Jew" is a bastardized cognate of "Sem," or, the bastard child of the god Sem.

    , @Greasy William
    I thought you liked Russophobia. You are all over the place.

    Western media is more anti Putin than anti Russia. I've never really noticed much Russia bashing in the American press. I can't speak for the European press.
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    @Talha
    Hey S2C,

    Good stuff! It looks like 'anon' is here to distract with copy-paste again. Like you, I'd like to see a solid, academic reference for the 7000 homosexuals killed also. If the source is something like MEK, well, who cares?

    Here's a great interview the intrepid Dr. Paul did with an Iranian Jew (living in Iran-geles, my old stomping grounds) who spent 3 months in Iran and reports back on the misinformation about Iran (the meat of it starts around 13 min mark):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V77vxbV1jXs

    Well worth the watch.

    Peace.

    these 3 links say 4,000-6,000 homosexuals executed by Iran since 1979. Gets less press than bakeries in Indiana that wont bake cakes for gays.

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/26/iran-kicks-off-2015-executions-at-record-setting-pace/

    http://observer.com/2015/05/how-iran-solved-its-gay-marriage-problem/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran

    Iran doesnt confine themselves to only executing homosexuals. Iran also executes people who convert from Islam to other religions , like these 10 female bahai school teachers executed by public hanging.

    http://bahaichronicles.org/mona-mahmudnizhad/

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    Indeed...so this is what the articles amount to (direct quote from the link):
    "Gay activists estimate that some 4,000 alleged gays have been executed by Iran since its 1979 Islamic Revolution."

    Please have the decency to do better than that. "Gay activists" is a "source"? Sorry, I asked for an academic reference. Come back when you have one from a credentialed researcher that is not an "activist".

    I know about the initial Bahai persecutions when the Revolutionary government came into power - those executions reflect the zealotry of that initial era. I'm not an expert on Shiah Islam, thus can't comment as to whether the persecution of Bahais constitutes normative practice.

    Peace.

    , @Avery
    {...these 3 links say 4,000-6,000 homosexuals executed by Iran since 1979. }

    The breibart.com link had this wording: "Gay activists estimate that some 4,000 alleged gays have been executed by Iran since its 1979 Islamic Revolution.".

    'Gay activists estimate'
    Basically made up numbers by who knows who.
    Who are these so-called 'Gay activists'? Anti-Iranian Neocon disinformation agents ? Mossad propaganda mouthpieces? MEK traitors?

    (breibart.com is an unabashedly pro-Israeli web site.
    Nothing they write re Iran can be taken seriously. )

    The second link observer.com is an article by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach.
    Look him up. I am sure he too is an unbiased authority on Iran.

    And a Wikipedia link? Why not.

    And according to theguardian.com (no friend of Iran):
    [Executions in Saudi Arabia and Iran – the numbers].
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2016/jan/04/executions-in-saudi-arabia-iran-numbers-china

    Per-capita executions by Iran and KSA are about the same.
    Iran slightly higher.
    But KSA prefers a more "civilized" method of public executions: bloody public beheading.
    KSA is a very close ally of US, and collaborates with Israel: so no problem there. Right?
    China executes the most people, but then they have a pool of 1 Billion people to produce a bumper crop of criminals each year.
    China and US are very close trading partners.
    No problem there either.

    Aaaand.....US has 5% of world population, but 25% of incarcerated.

    Only Iran is a 'problem'.


    Would you like to guess how many churches and synagogues there are in IRI vs KSA? Any Saudi citizens who are Christian?

    , @Greasy William

    Iran doesnt confine themselves to only executing homosexuals. Iran also executes people who convert from Islam to other religions , like these 10 female bahai school teachers executed by public hanging
     
    Don't agree with executing the gays, but Judaism also calls for apostates to be executed.

    Iranians aren't real Muslims anyway. They are just Shiites.
  97. No one has cared about the Israel vs Palestinians problems for the last five years. Why? Because Arab Muslims have been very busy killing the shit out of each other. It could be Sunni vs Shiite. It could be tribal. It could any serious beef where two opposing sides have plenty of weaponry. It could be this year. It could be last year. It could be any year in the future.

    And racking up such high and gruesome causality and death counts that anything the Palestinians complain about seems like a big fat nothing. The reason there are so many Syrian refugees is that so many Syrian cities and suburbs have been rendered uninhabitable by bombings, explosives, artillery fire, mortar fire. The housing stock is in ruins. It has been turned into semi rubble with the electrical and waterworks in ruin.
    Then you have ISIS preaching and practicing the true version of Jihadist Islam. Just emulating the prophet and the way he made war via terror.
    Does Mahmoud Abbas still head up the Paleostinian Authority? How about Hamas? I have heard nothing about them in years. The wars in Syrian, Libya, the Arab Spring etc have overshadowed them.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Ah - good old Mawlana Clyde is back with his opinions on Islam. How are the Arabic morphology and grammar studies going, Clyde? Have they taught you the difference between rafa' and nasb yet?

    Then you have ISIS preaching and practicing the true version of Jihadist Islam. Just emulating the prophet and the way he made war via terror.
     
    Whoops, back to the books Mawlana Clyde, you've just gone against the jumhur opinion of the Sunni Orthodoxy and our institutions. That's OK, about 15 more years of dedicated study should solve that issue for you.

    In the meantime, let's have a listen to Shaykh Muhammad Yaqoubi* (db) - a Sunni Hanafi scholar of universal acclaim (except for the opinions of Wahhabi/Salafi extremists, of course):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z52JzJKi0Xo

    Anybody interested can also read his scholarly take-down of Daesh's claim to legitimacy:
    https://www.amazon.com/Refuting-ISIS-Religious-Ideological-Foundations/dp/1908224126

    The reason there are so many Syrian refugees is that so many Syrian cities and suburbs have been rendered uninhabitable by bombings, explosives, artillery fire, mortar fire.
     
    Yes, this is deplorable - it's what happens in a civil war (nothing new):
    http://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/atlanta-campaign

    A good question is why are we involved in fomenting and arming these civil wars?

    Peace.

    *Note: My own spiritual teacher memorized the text of a key Hanafi primer under Shaykh Yaqoubi (db) in Damascus years ago.
    , @Clyde
    Hello and ISIS is too legit to quit. Your preaching to me is so excellent that you should go to the Middle East and stop a few Muslim on Muslim wars with it. One thing the infidels know is that when Muslims battle Muslims they have no time to aggress against the non-Muslims.

    Mohamed. The most successful false prophet.
  98. @anon
    Yes it is quite unattractive , I agree . The numerous posters and authors whining about Israel day in and day out would be far more attractive if they could channel their jealousy into something more productive . As you know , in apartheid Iran it is against the law to be homosexual or to convert from Islam to Christianity . The punishment for the crime is death . 7,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since 1980. Truly caring humanitarians would be wise to help end these barbaric laws and practices .

    Iran is also adept at hanging teen age girls and school teachers from cranes for the crime of belonging to the Bahai religion . As in the case of Mona Mahnudinzhad , after a series of interrogations which involved physical torture by being whipped on the soles of her feet with a cable, she and 9 other female school teachers who were executed by hanging from cranes in Shiraz , Iran .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mona_Mahmudnizhad

    By the way , are you still pretending to be a Zoroastrian or has that particular piece of Takkiyah been put to rest ??

    “The numerous posters and authors whining about Israel day in and day out would be far more attractive if they could channel their jealousy into something more productive.”

    Well. Israel has a choice to stay out of limelight by stopping using the US as a host for parasitic goals of Israel (and Israel-firsters). It was not Iran that has been building numerous Holocaust Museums to remind everyone about the special sufferings of Jewish people in the context of special moral character of Jewish people. And it was not Iranian Lobby that has been working hard to suppress any truthful intelligence from the Middle East (see Ledeen) in order to start remaking the Middle East to Israel’s liking (please familiarize yourself with the Iraq-related activities of Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith). Currently, Netanyahu wants ISIS to stay strong in Syria (which means more bloodshed there) to counterbalance Iran, whereas the despicable Mr. Weiss demands that more American military servicemen join “moderate” jihadis (affiliates of Al Qaeda) in Syria to prevent the rebuilding of the sovereign state of Syria.
    Here is a pattern: the US blood & treasure have been spilled/spent in the Middle East on the urging of the loyalist to Israel. The attention to Israel (and Israel-firsters) is related not to some imagined jalousie but to the endangerment of the wellbeing of US citizenry at large. Stop parasitizing instead of crying anti-semitism.

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  99. @anon
    these 3 links say 4,000-6,000 homosexuals executed by Iran since 1979. Gets less press than bakeries in Indiana that wont bake cakes for gays.

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/26/iran-kicks-off-2015-executions-at-record-setting-pace/

    http://observer.com/2015/05/how-iran-solved-its-gay-marriage-problem/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran

    Iran doesnt confine themselves to only executing homosexuals. Iran also executes people who convert from Islam to other religions , like these 10 female bahai school teachers executed by public hanging.

    http://bahaichronicles.org/mona-mahmudnizhad/

    Indeed…so this is what the articles amount to (direct quote from the link):
    “Gay activists estimate that some 4,000 alleged gays have been executed by Iran since its 1979 Islamic Revolution.”

    Please have the decency to do better than that. “Gay activists” is a “source”? Sorry, I asked for an academic reference. Come back when you have one from a credentialed researcher that is not an “activist”.

    I know about the initial Bahai persecutions when the Revolutionary government came into power – those executions reflect the zealotry of that initial era. I’m not an expert on Shiah Islam, thus can’t comment as to whether the persecution of Bahais constitutes normative practice.

    Peace.

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    Bonus - the article said "estimate" and "alleged gays" - really now?

    So let me see if this would fly:
    "Muslim activists estimate that some 4000 Muslim babies have been allegedly eaten by Jews since Israel's inception."

    The words "activist", "estimate" and "alleged" in a single sentence should put anyone's BS meter into hyper-throttle.
  100. @Kyle McKenna
    We've arrived at a truly strange point in time when if you aren't regularly called racist and/or anti-semitic, you are either systematically dishonest or simply disconnected from reality. The role of the MSM is to enforce the latter by practicing the former.

    Kyle McKenna’s comment is beautifully done and absolutely correct.

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  101. @Boris N
    If criticizing Israel, even slightly, is anti-Semitism, then it must work in other cases, I suppose. So everybody who criticizes Russia, even slightly, is a Russophobe. That is the entire Western establishment and media are Russophobes. Well, I like that logic. Can I also ask the Congress to pass a bill against Russophobia? Because I constantly feel offended and oppressed after reading Western MSM, and that's macro-aggression on a global level. As an offended and oppressed minority I need my safe space. I'm serious!

    sorry Boris N, you’re shit outta luck. Semitism is the Official Religion of the USA empire.

    You’ve just offended the underlying requirement of the 12 Commandments: thou shalt not have strange gods before the great god Sem.

    Better hide your Russian god; look at what the high priests of Sem did to the followers of Ba’al; to the people of Cyrus who followed Zoroaster; to the people of the Pharaoh; to the people who followed a symbol resembling the cross found on a Benedictine monastery in Lambach, Austria. Christ almighty, look what they did to Christ almighty.*

    The high priests of Sem declared these gods and their symbols to be signs of “Jew hatred” **

    Lest the text (linked) of James Wise, the Son-of-high-priest Rabbi Stephen Wise confuse you, high-priestlet Wise condemns the “swastika,” but the people whose symbol it was called it a hakenkreuz. It resembles a Hindu swastika, but the overall banner also resembles banners frequently and proudly displayed in Harvard Yard, which is, oddly enough, a kind of minor seminary for many of Sem’s high priests.

    * ooops. Bless me father for I have sinned against the 3rd and 7th of the New 12 Commandments.
    ** “Jew” is a bastardized cognate of “Sem,” or, the bastard child of the god Sem.

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  102. @Talha
    Indeed...so this is what the articles amount to (direct quote from the link):
    "Gay activists estimate that some 4,000 alleged gays have been executed by Iran since its 1979 Islamic Revolution."

    Please have the decency to do better than that. "Gay activists" is a "source"? Sorry, I asked for an academic reference. Come back when you have one from a credentialed researcher that is not an "activist".

    I know about the initial Bahai persecutions when the Revolutionary government came into power - those executions reflect the zealotry of that initial era. I'm not an expert on Shiah Islam, thus can't comment as to whether the persecution of Bahais constitutes normative practice.

    Peace.

    Bonus – the article said “estimate” and “alleged gays” – really now?

    So let me see if this would fly:
    “Muslim activists estimate that some 4000 Muslim babies have been allegedly eaten by Jews since Israel’s inception.”

    The words “activist”, “estimate” and “alleged” in a single sentence should put anyone’s BS meter into hyper-throttle.

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  103. @anon
    these 3 links say 4,000-6,000 homosexuals executed by Iran since 1979. Gets less press than bakeries in Indiana that wont bake cakes for gays.

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/26/iran-kicks-off-2015-executions-at-record-setting-pace/

    http://observer.com/2015/05/how-iran-solved-its-gay-marriage-problem/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran

    Iran doesnt confine themselves to only executing homosexuals. Iran also executes people who convert from Islam to other religions , like these 10 female bahai school teachers executed by public hanging.

    http://bahaichronicles.org/mona-mahmudnizhad/

    {…these 3 links say 4,000-6,000 homosexuals executed by Iran since 1979. }

    The breibart.com link had this wording: “Gay activists estimate that some 4,000 alleged gays have been executed by Iran since its 1979 Islamic Revolution.”.

    ‘Gay activists estimate’
    Basically made up numbers by who knows who.
    Who are these so-called ‘Gay activists’? Anti-Iranian Neocon disinformation agents ? Mossad propaganda mouthpieces? MEK traitors?

    (breibart.com is an unabashedly pro-Israeli web site.
    Nothing they write re Iran can be taken seriously. )

    The second link observer.com is an article by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach.
    Look him up. I am sure he too is an unbiased authority on Iran.

    And a Wikipedia link? Why not.

    And according to theguardian.com (no friend of Iran):
    [Executions in Saudi Arabia and Iran – the numbers].
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2016/jan/04/executions-in-saudi-arabia-iran-numbers-china

    Per-capita executions by Iran and KSA are about the same.
    Iran slightly higher.
    But KSA prefers a more “civilized” method of public executions: bloody public beheading.
    KSA is a very close ally of US, and collaborates with Israel: so no problem there. Right?
    China executes the most people, but then they have a pool of 1 Billion people to produce a bumper crop of criminals each year.
    China and US are very close trading partners.
    No problem there either.

    Aaaand…..US has 5% of world population, but 25% of incarcerated.

    Only Iran is a ‘problem’.

    Would you like to guess how many churches and synagogues there are in IRI vs KSA? Any Saudi citizens who are Christian?

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    • Replies: @chris
    perfect reply, Avery; thanks! You hit every point.
  104. @Elmo
    Is it a requirement that one has to be an anti Semite to comment on this site. A whole lot of people who comment here as well as Phil Giraldi are in serious need of mental help. Let the anti Semitic abuse commence.

    Have you ever considered the possibility that a minority of jews in their own supremacist madness are risking yet another blowback that will ultimately harmfully affect all jews?

    Why cannot one criticise the actions of some jews without being accused of harbouring a hatred of all jews?

    America has been pretty good to those who identify as jews yet is is becoming clear to many that some jews are willing to sacrifice America for their own goals of world domination. The Unz Review is a free speech forum so one is bound to encounter a wide range of viewpoints and that is the point of it.

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  105. @Elmo
    Is it a requirement that one has to be an anti Semite to comment on this site. A whole lot of people who comment here as well as Phil Giraldi are in serious need of mental help. Let the anti Semitic abuse commence.

    You could help us a lot, Elmo, if you would be kind enough to define antisemitism.

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    You could help us a lot, Elmo, if you would be kind enough to define antisemitism.
     
    Allow me, tickle me Elmo:

    “An anti-Semite used to mean a man who hated Jews. Now it means a man who is hated by Jews.” - Joseph Sobran
  106. @anon
    these 3 links say 4,000-6,000 homosexuals executed by Iran since 1979. Gets less press than bakeries in Indiana that wont bake cakes for gays.

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/26/iran-kicks-off-2015-executions-at-record-setting-pace/

    http://observer.com/2015/05/how-iran-solved-its-gay-marriage-problem/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran

    Iran doesnt confine themselves to only executing homosexuals. Iran also executes people who convert from Islam to other religions , like these 10 female bahai school teachers executed by public hanging.

    http://bahaichronicles.org/mona-mahmudnizhad/

    Iran doesnt confine themselves to only executing homosexuals. Iran also executes people who convert from Islam to other religions , like these 10 female bahai school teachers executed by public hanging

    Don’t agree with executing the gays, but Judaism also calls for apostates to be executed.

    Iranians aren’t real Muslims anyway. They are just Shiites.

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    ... but Judaism also calls for apostates to be executed.
     
    Not that I always agree with you, but your honesty is refreshing, Greasy.
    , @Talha
    Hey Greasy,

    Gotta correct you there - Shiah are Muslims. Heterodox, from the Sunni perspective for sure, but still Muslim:
    http://ammanmessage.com/

    And, if I remember correctly, that ruling on apostasy is by no less than Rambam.

    On the executing homosexuals; opinions on it are simply tossed about without academic reference or factual basis. I am not an expert on Shi'i rules, but I know the Sunni ones pretty well - specifically Hanafi jurisprudence (the school with the largest following, currently and historically). Death is not a punishment for sodomy in the school, but it is for the others:
    "Yes, the main position in the Hanafi school of law for many centuries was that someone convicted of sodomy (which in all the schools required four witnesses to the act of penetration) was not executed but only given a milder punishment or perhaps only disciplined by a judge. But the other three Sunni schools of law did consider sodomy to be a death-penalty offense (at the very least for the active partner)."
    http://almadinainstitute.org/blog/the-shariah-homosexuality-safeguarding-each-others-rights-in-a-pluralist-so/

    However, one is not punished simply for having sexual attraction to the opposite gender (being gay), but rather the act of sodomy in such a public manner that four witnesses see the act of penetration (which is basically the same for adultery). I honestly don't know what the rule is for Shiahs, the bar for evidence may be less or they may take into account circumstantial evidence - which is not admissible for the majority of Sunni opinions that I've seen when it comes to hudood.

    Now the other thing to keep in mind is that if there are only three (or less) witnesses to the act, they are legally proscribed from testifying at the threat of being flogged with 80 lashes - this is called qadhf (http://www.monthly-renaissance.com/issue/content.aspx?id=1003). So, the upshot of all this is that one is technically legally protected (at least for traditional Sunni law) for engaging in public sodomy in front of 3 people or less.

    If one is stupid enough to engage in it in front of four or more individuals in a Muslim land that are religious enough to report you, you will likely be killed - that's called a "Darwin Award" in some parts - or (at the least) publicly flogged if under Hanafi jurisdiction.

    Peace.

  107. @Boris N
    If criticizing Israel, even slightly, is anti-Semitism, then it must work in other cases, I suppose. So everybody who criticizes Russia, even slightly, is a Russophobe. That is the entire Western establishment and media are Russophobes. Well, I like that logic. Can I also ask the Congress to pass a bill against Russophobia? Because I constantly feel offended and oppressed after reading Western MSM, and that's macro-aggression on a global level. As an offended and oppressed minority I need my safe space. I'm serious!

    I thought you liked Russophobia. You are all over the place.

    Western media is more anti Putin than anti Russia. I’ve never really noticed much Russia bashing in the American press. I can’t speak for the European press.

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    Wrong Boris, Greasy...
    http://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Boris
    , @Boris N

    I thought you liked Russophobia. You are all over the place.
     
    I never did. Quite the contrary. Many here called me names, but they do not understand.
    If I'm very critical of Putin and his clique it's because I think the current regime is doing harm for Russia and most importantly it is not much different in its essence from the regime of Yeltsin. Not that I offer a solution and I'm not a bit for the "Russian" "opposition", but still nobody could forbid me to express my criticism.

    Western media is more anti Putin than anti Russia. I’ve never really noticed much Russia bashing in the American press. I can’t speak for the European press.
     
    They do not say Putinian government or Putinland, they say Russia and Russian. Even if I'm not too sensitive, but that offends me anyway. Russophobia is reality. I feel it. Do you think they hate Putin because he is doing harm to Russia? That they want Russia to be a great power and all Russians (not only oligarchs) to be rich like the West? No way! Simply imagine if the Russian GDP per capita would be like of the USA, it's $50,000 by 150m, that's 7.5 trillions! Russia would be the third most powerful economy with few to match! No, they hate exactly Russia, they never want Russia to be even close to their level. They hate Putin because they think he's making Russia "great again" (it does not matter what is actually happening, they fear even a slightest possibility).

    Not that I'm saying every American or European layman hates Russians, but propaganda works and I've encountered a hateful attitude toward Russians many times.
  108. @SmoothieX12

    What can you tell us about today’s Israeli bombing [surface to surface] of a military airport near Damascus?
     
    Nothing more than it was Israeli AF and that Israel has huge issues with Hizbullah. That is expected and we may see other such actions from Israel, who is terrified by appearance of the combat tested and improving Arab military and, as it looks now, a triumphant secular Arab leader aligned with Iran. This is a nightmarish scenario for Israel, who is complicit in, at least, not very "combative" attitude towards all sorts of jihadist scam (from ISIS to JAN), who are having a really bad day (or rather a month) in Syria as I type this. The only other version (less likely, but who knows) is that Israel may try to bomb her own sons of bitches into the ground because who needs witnesses and people who may know something Israel deems undesirable. I think, once ground operations tempo will decrease somewhat and some (real) political settlement will appear on the horizon, Russia will shut down Syrian air space for good.

    That is expected and we may see other such actions from Israel, who is terrified by appearance of the combat tested and improving Arab military

    Secular Israelis are indeed cowards but I assure you that they aren’t the least bit worried by Hezbollah or the Syrian army.

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  109. It’s a relief whenever I see a sensible description of the true status of Israel and its lobby in the USA.

    When the real fake news purveyors in the MSM launch their fake “fake news” offensive against those who are trying to ascertain and report on the real world to the American public, it’s as nepharious a form of misdirection and “cover” as when priests and daycare centers turn out to be pederasts. In other words, it’s foxes guarding the hen house.

    Fake “fake news” = genuine lying.

    The whole MSM seems to be engaging in this genuine lying.
    Everyone’s synapses are getting scrambled. On purpose.
    The age in which we find ourselves should be dubbed not the anthropocene but
    the Orwellianocene.

    And, BTW, what happened to all the artwork on the walls at Comet Pizza???

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  110. @Mark Green
    The successful passage of the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act must have Orwell spinning cartwheels in his grave. This unopposed bill is a vile and direct assault on Free Speech and political expression. And it's strategic. Only the political adversaries of Israel/Jews are targeted. Run-of-the-mill expressions of hatred and disdain remain protected.

    What's worse, there's no little or mention of this bill--and its potentially chilling impact--anywhere in the 'respectable' mainstream press. Certainly, there's no open and vigorous debate about its obvious dangers--or what its passage tells us about Jewish influence in Washington. Perhaps it's because such talk could stimulate outbreaks of 'anti-Semitism'. And we can't allow that!

    Where are the 'outraged' civil libertarians?--busy filing amnesty petitions on behalf of 'undocumented immigrants'?

    Where are the Free Speech fundamentalists?--at a pro-pornography rally perhaps?

    We are living in a Zionist-dominated culture. And we're headed lower.

    Kosher hegemony touches nearly every aspect of American life. Intellectual freedom is under continuous pressure to roll over and conform. And this black political magic is working.

    Very gradually, the noose is tightening. There are no safe places left for principled opponents of Zion. Resistance itself may soon be interpreted as a manifestation of 'anti-Semitism'. And that can't be allowed.

    Ironically, the most powerful ethnic lobby in the Western world still succeeds in portraying itself as the most vulnerable and endangered. This, with the conquest of Iraq, Libya, Palestine and Syria under its belt. More fake news by the usual suspects.

    ““The Anti-Semitism Awareness Act” won’t stand a court test. ”

    I do hope you are right on that.

    But on the rest of your post, about Putin, I must scratch my head.
    The views seem to come from some very ignorant and Russo-phobic place where no recent history is taken on board.

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    You've got the wrong person. Those are not my words.
  111. @Randal
    Giraldi correctly identifies the greatest threat to freedom of speech in the nations of the US sphere. America has been protected to a large extent by its First Amendment, but it has been clear for a while that the would-be censors are moving towards the creation of a "hate speech" exception to that vital protection. It's only a matter of time before you can be prosecuted in the US for offending jewish interests (in particular), as you already can be in most European countries via hate speech and "holocaust denial" laws.

    The antisemitism ploy is merely one amongst a whole range of political correctness issues where censorship is sought by the establishments - race, feminism, homosexual behaviour, immigration and islam are the other main areas. But of them all, it is the antisemitism ploy that seems to get the most push, probably because it has the most articulate and the best placed and best funded advocates.

    I comment from a traditionalist, nativist English conservative perspective, so my views (perfectly normal and commonplace, even mainstream, a few decades ago) offend against political correctness in all of the above areas. I've frequently drawn virulent argument in response (bring it on!), and often been censored in all these categories, but the only area where I've ever been credibly threatened with actual prosecution is that of the anti-Semitism ploy. It's also the area in which I am most commonly censored or banned, for what are, on the face of it, less outrageous "offences".

    As a concrete example, I have posted quite personal and disapproving views of homosexual behaviour, making the case that it is morally equivalent to bestiality, on the Spectator Blogs site without (on some occasions) being censored, and I have also made the dramatically political incorrect case that black US communities are themselves responsible for most of the problems highlighted by the BLM thugs, but I was permanently banned from there merely for suggesting that "Holocaust denial" ought not to be forbidden. Not, note, for actually denying the Holocaust - merely for saying that free speech should include the right to question details of history freely.

    There is a real problem, and a real threat to liberty, here. Had Clinton been elected we would probably have seen controls on "hate speech" across the politically correct board within a few years. The election of Trump has probably seen off that threat for many areas, but the anti-Semitism area is one where the Trump regime is likely to be vulnerable. Far from being in any sense anti-Semitic (such accusations against the likes of Trump and Bannon are literally laughable), Trump and some of his senior advisors are quite strongly philo-semitic, pro-Israel and linked to some of the worst Israeli nationalist/jewish lobbying groups and individuals.

    It is likely some people who post here will be in court facing prosecution and potential imprisonment merely for expressing opinions within a decade or so, if a strong stand is not taken on this issue.

    The person or entity you cannot criticize is the one who holds real power.

    Excuse poor rendition of Voltaire’s well-known aphorism.
    But it seems ever more apposite. And it is a kind of beacon in the the otherwise extremely confusing and congested dark.

    It’s clear. It’s simple.

    YOu cannot criticize Israel. You cannot criticize Jews/Zionists. And you cannot raise any questions about what is behind the weird code language used in John Podesta’s and others’ emails released by Wikileaks. So these are (some of) the people who hold real power.

    How’s about someone puts together a list of all the holy-of-holies for which criticism is taboo.
    Taboo. Also a good word to keep handy.
    “Taboo” means you can get into trouble even for suggesting that there IS a taboo!
    Yep, we are there.

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    “Taboo” means you can get into trouble even for suggesting that there IS a taboo!
    Yep, we are there.
     
    Remarkably true in many of these cases.

    The person or entity you cannot criticize is the one who holds real power.

    Excuse poor rendition of Voltaire’s well-known aphorism.
    But it seems ever more apposite. And it is a kind of beacon in the the otherwise extremely confusing and congested dark.

    It’s clear. It’s simple.

    YOu cannot criticize Israel. You cannot criticize Jews/Zionists. And you cannot raise any questions about what is behind the weird code language used in John Podesta’s and others’ emails released by Wikileaks. So these are (some of) the people who hold real power.

     

    So take a stand. Get in touch with Alison Chabloz as I suggested above and at least send an expression of support. Try to boost her profile as an artist. The only real way to fight these wannabee censors is to try to make sure their victims (or some of them, anyway) come out better off after prosecution that they were before.

    Her prosecution is an attack on political freedom of speech, but even more it's a gun aimed at the heads of all those who express views here usually regarded as "antisemitic", or at least any of them posting in England (and the attitudes behind these oppressive "hate speech" speechcrime laws are spreading in the US as well). Fight them now, or fight them later on ground further back and closer to home.
  112. @anon
    Several stories the press (and the ever observant Giraldi) choose to ignore that are magnitudes worse than anything Israel ever did.

    Sudanese illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Darfur. 1million + murdered

    Indonesian illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Papua.500,000+ murdered

    Moroccan illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Western Sahara.37,000+ murdered.

    Turkish illegal occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Kurdistan and Cyprus. 80,000+ murdered.

    Chinese occupation , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and genocide in Xinyang and Tibet.

    Slavery alive and well in Islamic rep of Mauritania and Islamic rep of Sudan.

    The fact that Arab Muslims are native to Arabia thousands of miles away yet occupy all of North Africa while oppressing the native population.

    Apartheid for Christians in 14 Islamic states including Iran where converting from Islam to Christianity is a crime punishable by death........

    The listing of every bad deed in the world is kind of silly, and implies that the USA should do something about every bad deed or situation.

    But these “bad things” are not official policy of the USA. Unlike the illegal Israeli occupation and the creation of an apartheid state.
    Nor are these leaders coming to our Congress and telling our legislators what to do, and paying them to let Israel do what it wants.
    Nor are these various bad people being supported by what are in effect fifth columnists—traitors—in the USA and its government. Dual citizens of questionable loyalty to the USA.
    Nor do all of these bad people claim the moral mantle of the chosen people, of being the world’s most ethical people, of being the world’s most democratic people.
    American legislators and media puppeteers and business people asupport these
    lies and hypocrisy.

    Israel and its (now) apartheid, racist regime could not exist without the decades-long support of the USA, going back to 1947.
    So, yes, in the USA the spotlight should always be turned on Israel and its crimes against humanity; on its unwholesome effect on the American political, ethical, and media landscape. Israel and zionism are corrupting influences in this country.

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  115. @Clyde
    No one has cared about the Israel vs Palestinians problems for the last five years. Why? Because Arab Muslims have been very busy killing the shit out of each other. It could be Sunni vs Shiite. It could be tribal. It could any serious beef where two opposing sides have plenty of weaponry. It could be this year. It could be last year. It could be any year in the future.

    And racking up such high and gruesome causality and death counts that anything the Palestinians complain about seems like a big fat nothing. The reason there are so many Syrian refugees is that so many Syrian cities and suburbs have been rendered uninhabitable by bombings, explosives, artillery fire, mortar fire. The housing stock is in ruins. It has been turned into semi rubble with the electrical and waterworks in ruin.
    Then you have ISIS preaching and practicing the true version of Jihadist Islam. Just emulating the prophet and the way he made war via terror.
    Does Mahmoud Abbas still head up the Paleostinian Authority? How about Hamas? I have heard nothing about them in years. The wars in Syrian, Libya, the Arab Spring etc have overshadowed them.

    Ah – good old Mawlana Clyde is back with his opinions on Islam. How are the Arabic morphology and grammar studies going, Clyde? Have they taught you the difference between rafa’ and nasb yet?

    Then you have ISIS preaching and practicing the true version of Jihadist Islam. Just emulating the prophet and the way he made war via terror.

    Whoops, back to the books Mawlana Clyde, you’ve just gone against the jumhur opinion of the Sunni Orthodoxy and our institutions. That’s OK, about 15 more years of dedicated study should solve that issue for you.

    In the meantime, let’s have a listen to Shaykh Muhammad Yaqoubi* (db) – a Sunni Hanafi scholar of universal acclaim (except for the opinions of Wahhabi/Salafi extremists, of course):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z52JzJKi0Xo

    Anybody interested can also read his scholarly take-down of Daesh’s claim to legitimacy:
    https://www.amazon.com/Refuting-ISIS-Religious-Ideological-Foundations/dp/1908224126

    The reason there are so many Syrian refugees is that so many Syrian cities and suburbs have been rendered uninhabitable by bombings, explosives, artillery fire, mortar fire.

    Yes, this is deplorable – it’s what happens in a civil war (nothing new):
    http://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/atlanta-campaign

    A good question is why are we involved in fomenting and arming these civil wars?

    Peace.

    *Note: My own spiritual teacher memorized the text of a key Hanafi primer under Shaykh Yaqoubi (db) in Damascus years ago.

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    Just as a note - this was a very early interview of Shaykh Muhammad (db) - he was exiled for speaking out against the Syrian government - and he has since then called for a complete halt to the fighting and leaving the Assad government alone - largely due to the actions of Daesh and the fact that they are the alternative. So please don't throw invective my way for that as I'm not going to respond; this clarification should be enough to suffice.
    , @Clyde
    Hello and ISIS is too legit to quit. Your preaching to me is so excellent that you should go to the Middle East and stop a few Muslim on Muslim wars with it. One thing the infidels know is that when Muslims battle Muslims they have no time to aggress against the non-Muslims.

    Mohamed. The most successful false prophet. Perhaps the human sacrifice obsessed Aztecs would still be around if they had a prophet who lead them around by the nose.

  116. @Talha
    Ah - good old Mawlana Clyde is back with his opinions on Islam. How are the Arabic morphology and grammar studies going, Clyde? Have they taught you the difference between rafa' and nasb yet?

    Then you have ISIS preaching and practicing the true version of Jihadist Islam. Just emulating the prophet and the way he made war via terror.
     
    Whoops, back to the books Mawlana Clyde, you've just gone against the jumhur opinion of the Sunni Orthodoxy and our institutions. That's OK, about 15 more years of dedicated study should solve that issue for you.

    In the meantime, let's have a listen to Shaykh Muhammad Yaqoubi* (db) - a Sunni Hanafi scholar of universal acclaim (except for the opinions of Wahhabi/Salafi extremists, of course):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z52JzJKi0Xo

    Anybody interested can also read his scholarly take-down of Daesh's claim to legitimacy:
    https://www.amazon.com/Refuting-ISIS-Religious-Ideological-Foundations/dp/1908224126

    The reason there are so many Syrian refugees is that so many Syrian cities and suburbs have been rendered uninhabitable by bombings, explosives, artillery fire, mortar fire.
     
    Yes, this is deplorable - it's what happens in a civil war (nothing new):
    http://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/atlanta-campaign

    A good question is why are we involved in fomenting and arming these civil wars?

    Peace.

    *Note: My own spiritual teacher memorized the text of a key Hanafi primer under Shaykh Yaqoubi (db) in Damascus years ago.

    Just as a note – this was a very early interview of Shaykh Muhammad (db) – he was exiled for speaking out against the Syrian government – and he has since then called for a complete halt to the fighting and leaving the Assad government alone – largely due to the actions of Daesh and the fact that they are the alternative. So please don’t throw invective my way for that as I’m not going to respond; this clarification should be enough to suffice.

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  117. @schmenz
    You could help us a lot, Elmo, if you would be kind enough to define antisemitism.

    You could help us a lot, Elmo, if you would be kind enough to define antisemitism.

    Allow me, tickle me Elmo:

    “An anti-Semite used to mean a man who hated Jews. Now it means a man who is hated by Jews.” – Joseph Sobran

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Allow me

    Anti-Semites do not get to self-describe.
  118. @Skeptikal
    "“The Anti-Semitism Awareness Act” won’t stand a court test. "

    I do hope you are right on that.

    But on the rest of your post, about Putin, I must scratch my head.
    The views seem to come from some very ignorant and Russo-phobic place where no recent history is taken on board.

    You’ve got the wrong person. Those are not my words.

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    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    Apologies.
    I saw that my reply ended up attached to the wrong comment.
    I have no idea how or why this occurred. A wrong click?
    I tried to fix but was unable to do so.
    Also, the email link took me back to the wrong Unz Review story, not to your post.
    I don't quite get this comment software.
  119. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Hussein taken out because Iraq switched to Euro?

    Is that why Europeans were unwilling to go along?

    https://youtu.be/OlYCMBlzg9A?t=4m37s

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  120. @Greasy William

    Iran doesnt confine themselves to only executing homosexuals. Iran also executes people who convert from Islam to other religions , like these 10 female bahai school teachers executed by public hanging
     
    Don't agree with executing the gays, but Judaism also calls for apostates to be executed.

    Iranians aren't real Muslims anyway. They are just Shiites.

    … but Judaism also calls for apostates to be executed.

    Not that I always agree with you, but your honesty is refreshing, Greasy.

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  121. @Greasy William

    Iran doesnt confine themselves to only executing homosexuals. Iran also executes people who convert from Islam to other religions , like these 10 female bahai school teachers executed by public hanging
     
    Don't agree with executing the gays, but Judaism also calls for apostates to be executed.

    Iranians aren't real Muslims anyway. They are just Shiites.

    Hey Greasy,

    Gotta correct you there – Shiah are Muslims. Heterodox, from the Sunni perspective for sure, but still Muslim:
    http://ammanmessage.com/

    And, if I remember correctly, that ruling on apostasy is by no less than Rambam.

    On the executing homosexuals; opinions on it are simply tossed about without academic reference or factual basis. I am not an expert on Shi’i rules, but I know the Sunni ones pretty well – specifically Hanafi jurisprudence (the school with the largest following, currently and historically). Death is not a punishment for sodomy in the school, but it is for the others:
    “Yes, the main position in the Hanafi school of law for many centuries was that someone convicted of sodomy (which in all the schools required four witnesses to the act of penetration) was not executed but only given a milder punishment or perhaps only disciplined by a judge. But the other three Sunni schools of law did consider sodomy to be a death-penalty offense (at the very least for the active partner).”
    http://almadinainstitute.org/blog/the-shariah-homosexuality-safeguarding-each-others-rights-in-a-pluralist-so/

    However, one is not punished simply for having sexual attraction to the opposite gender (being gay), but rather the act of sodomy in such a public manner that four witnesses see the act of penetration (which is basically the same for adultery). I honestly don’t know what the rule is for Shiahs, the bar for evidence may be less or they may take into account circumstantial evidence – which is not admissible for the majority of Sunni opinions that I’ve seen when it comes to hudood.

    Now the other thing to keep in mind is that if there are only three (or less) witnesses to the act, they are legally proscribed from testifying at the threat of being flogged with 80 lashes – this is called qadhf (http://www.monthly-renaissance.com/issue/content.aspx?id=1003). So, the upshot of all this is that one is technically legally protected (at least for traditional Sunni law) for engaging in public sodomy in front of 3 people or less.

    If one is stupid enough to engage in it in front of four or more individuals in a Muslim land that are religious enough to report you, you will likely be killed – that’s called a “Darwin Award” in some parts – or (at the least) publicly flogged if under Hanafi jurisdiction.

    Peace.

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  122. @Greasy William
    I thought you liked Russophobia. You are all over the place.

    Western media is more anti Putin than anti Russia. I've never really noticed much Russia bashing in the American press. I can't speak for the European press.
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    I doubt he has confused me. We crossed here and there and he's supposed to know. Moreover, it is difficult to confuse me with that one Boris.
    But I agree I've chosen my nickname too carelessly, it is too common, but I just did not expect I would be here for that long.
  123. @Clyde
    No one has cared about the Israel vs Palestinians problems for the last five years. Why? Because Arab Muslims have been very busy killing the shit out of each other. It could be Sunni vs Shiite. It could be tribal. It could any serious beef where two opposing sides have plenty of weaponry. It could be this year. It could be last year. It could be any year in the future.

    And racking up such high and gruesome causality and death counts that anything the Palestinians complain about seems like a big fat nothing. The reason there are so many Syrian refugees is that so many Syrian cities and suburbs have been rendered uninhabitable by bombings, explosives, artillery fire, mortar fire. The housing stock is in ruins. It has been turned into semi rubble with the electrical and waterworks in ruin.
    Then you have ISIS preaching and practicing the true version of Jihadist Islam. Just emulating the prophet and the way he made war via terror.
    Does Mahmoud Abbas still head up the Paleostinian Authority? How about Hamas? I have heard nothing about them in years. The wars in Syrian, Libya, the Arab Spring etc have overshadowed them.

    Hello and ISIS is too legit to quit. Your preaching to me is so excellent that you should go to the Middle East and stop a few Muslim on Muslim wars with it. One thing the infidels know is that when Muslims battle Muslims they have no time to aggress against the non-Muslims.

    Mohamed. The most successful false prophet.

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  124. @Skeptikal
    The person or entity you cannot criticize is the one who holds real power.

    Excuse poor rendition of Voltaire's well-known aphorism.
    But it seems ever more apposite. And it is a kind of beacon in the the otherwise extremely confusing and congested dark.

    It's clear. It's simple.

    YOu cannot criticize Israel. You cannot criticize Jews/Zionists. And you cannot raise any questions about what is behind the weird code language used in John Podesta's and others' emails released by Wikileaks. So these are (some of) the people who hold real power.

    How's about someone puts together a list of all the holy-of-holies for which criticism is taboo.
    Taboo. Also a good word to keep handy.
    "Taboo" means you can get into trouble even for suggesting that there IS a taboo!
    Yep, we are there.

    “Taboo” means you can get into trouble even for suggesting that there IS a taboo!
    Yep, we are there.

    Remarkably true in many of these cases.

    The person or entity you cannot criticize is the one who holds real power.

    Excuse poor rendition of Voltaire’s well-known aphorism.
    But it seems ever more apposite. And it is a kind of beacon in the the otherwise extremely confusing and congested dark.

    It’s clear. It’s simple.

    YOu cannot criticize Israel. You cannot criticize Jews/Zionists. And you cannot raise any questions about what is behind the weird code language used in John Podesta’s and others’ emails released by Wikileaks. So these are (some of) the people who hold real power.

    So take a stand. Get in touch with Alison Chabloz as I suggested above and at least send an expression of support. Try to boost her profile as an artist. The only real way to fight these wannabee censors is to try to make sure their victims (or some of them, anyway) come out better off after prosecution that they were before.

    Her prosecution is an attack on political freedom of speech, but even more it’s a gun aimed at the heads of all those who express views here usually regarded as “antisemitic”, or at least any of them posting in England (and the attitudes behind these oppressive “hate speech” speechcrime laws are spreading in the US as well). Fight them now, or fight them later on ground further back and closer to home.

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  125. @Mark Green
    You've got the wrong person. Those are not my words.

    Apologies.
    I saw that my reply ended up attached to the wrong comment.
    I have no idea how or why this occurred. A wrong click?
    I tried to fix but was unable to do so.
    Also, the email link took me back to the wrong Unz Review story, not to your post.
    I don’t quite get this comment software.

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  126. @geokat62

    You could help us a lot, Elmo, if you would be kind enough to define antisemitism.
     
    Allow me, tickle me Elmo:

    “An anti-Semite used to mean a man who hated Jews. Now it means a man who is hated by Jews.” - Joseph Sobran

    Allow me

    Anti-Semites do not get to self-describe.

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    Which sounds suspiciously like what "geokat" just said.
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    @iffen
    Allow me

    Anti-Semites do not get to self-describe.

    Which sounds suspiciously like what “geokat” just said.

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  128. @Talha
    Ah - good old Mawlana Clyde is back with his opinions on Islam. How are the Arabic morphology and grammar studies going, Clyde? Have they taught you the difference between rafa' and nasb yet?

    Then you have ISIS preaching and practicing the true version of Jihadist Islam. Just emulating the prophet and the way he made war via terror.
     
    Whoops, back to the books Mawlana Clyde, you've just gone against the jumhur opinion of the Sunni Orthodoxy and our institutions. That's OK, about 15 more years of dedicated study should solve that issue for you.

    In the meantime, let's have a listen to Shaykh Muhammad Yaqoubi* (db) - a Sunni Hanafi scholar of universal acclaim (except for the opinions of Wahhabi/Salafi extremists, of course):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z52JzJKi0Xo

    Anybody interested can also read his scholarly take-down of Daesh's claim to legitimacy:
    https://www.amazon.com/Refuting-ISIS-Religious-Ideological-Foundations/dp/1908224126

    The reason there are so many Syrian refugees is that so many Syrian cities and suburbs have been rendered uninhabitable by bombings, explosives, artillery fire, mortar fire.
     
    Yes, this is deplorable - it's what happens in a civil war (nothing new):
    http://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/atlanta-campaign

    A good question is why are we involved in fomenting and arming these civil wars?

    Peace.

    *Note: My own spiritual teacher memorized the text of a key Hanafi primer under Shaykh Yaqoubi (db) in Damascus years ago.

    Hello and ISIS is too legit to quit. Your preaching to me is so excellent that you should go to the Middle East and stop a few Muslim on Muslim wars with it. One thing the infidels know is that when Muslims battle Muslims they have no time to aggress against the non-Muslims.

    Mohamed. The most successful false prophet. Perhaps the human sacrifice obsessed Aztecs would still be around if they had a prophet who lead them around by the nose.

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    Hey Mawlana Clyde,

    ISIS is too legit to quit
     
    Despite your hammer-pants-inspired protestations, they will quit like all the other extremist sects before them (or have you seen Qarmatis or Almohads walking around) - read history. This is their 15 minutes of fame.

    Or maybe you meant, in the logic of Israeli/Neocon planners:
    ISIS is too legit to quit...funding, supporting, arming them.

    http://news.antiwar.com/2016/06/21/israeli-intel-chief-we-dont-want-isis-defeated-in-syria/

    One thing the infidels know is that when Muslims battle Muslims they have no time to aggress against the non-Muslims.
     
    Logic dictates the truth of that statement as it does this one; "One thing the Muslims know is that when non-Muslims battle non-Muslims they have no time to aggress against the Muslims." Which is why the years of WW2 were relatively peaceful in the Muslim world (despite a few highlights like Rommel's incursion into North Africa) while Europeans were pulping each other and grinding each other's cities to powder. It was also much safer for Jews:
    "King Mohammed V of Morocco was honored posthumously for protecting his country’s 250,000 Jews during World War II."
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/late-moroccan-king-honored-for-protecting-his-countrys-jews/

    And it set the stage for Muslim countries gaining independence from European powers that were struggling to keep on their feet.

    The most successful false prophet.
     
    No, Mawlana Clyde, no! Don't worry, your first aqeedah primer should take care of that mistake.

    But, from perspective of history, false prophets aren't very successful. Of course, yours is an opinion, every one has one; the only question is, whose opinion is worthy of being given an ear:
    “Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images, the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire: that is Muhammad. As regards all the standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask; is there any man greater than he?” ― Alphonse de Lamartine
    http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/337636-philosopher-orator-apostle-legislator-warrior-conqueror-of-ideas-restorer-of

    "Now he rolls
    O’er the plain in silvery splendor,
    And the plain his splendor borrows;
    And the rivulets from the plain,
    And the brooklets from the hillsides
    All are shouting to him: Brother,
    Brother, take thy brothers too,
    Take us to thy ancient Father,
    To the everlasting ocean
    ...
    Come ye all, then!
    Now, more proudly,
    On he swells; a countless race, they
    Bear their glorious prince aloft!
    On he rolls triumphantly,
    Giving names to countries. Cities
    Spring to being ’neath his foot.

    Onward, with incessant roaring,
    See! he passes proudly by
    Flaming turrets, marble mansions,
    Creatures of his fulness all.

    Cedar houses bears this Atlas
    On his giant shoulders. Rustling,
    Flapping in the playful breezes,
    Thousand flags about his head are
    Telling of his majesty.

    And so bears he all his brothers,
    And his treasures, and his children,
    To their Sire, all joyous roaring,
    Pressing to his mighty heart."

    Mahomet's Song - by Goethe
    http://www.bartleby.com/270/11/203.html

    Peace.
  129. @anon
    Yes it is quite unattractive , I agree . The numerous posters and authors whining about Israel day in and day out would be far more attractive if they could channel their jealousy into something more productive . As you know , in apartheid Iran it is against the law to be homosexual or to convert from Islam to Christianity . The punishment for the crime is death . 7,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since 1980. Truly caring humanitarians would be wise to help end these barbaric laws and practices .

    Iran is also adept at hanging teen age girls and school teachers from cranes for the crime of belonging to the Bahai religion . As in the case of Mona Mahnudinzhad , after a series of interrogations which involved physical torture by being whipped on the soles of her feet with a cable, she and 9 other female school teachers who were executed by hanging from cranes in Shiraz , Iran .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mona_Mahmudnizhad

    By the way , are you still pretending to be a Zoroastrian or has that particular piece of Takkiyah been put to rest ??

    “The numerous posters and authors whining about Israel day in and day out would be far more attractive if they could channel their jealousy into something more productive.”

    Yeah, well the Zio-Israeli sympathizers themselves would have much less to whine about if they’d channel their energies away from “influencing” the US government to do their murderous, destructive bidding.

    It would also help if fewer US tax dollars and other special treatment were channeled somewhere other than the Zio mobsters.

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    Hey JS,

    I think we can come to an impasse with 'anon' - he is so concerned with slavery in remote parts of Sudan and Mauritania (he forgot to mention in some areas of Saudi too), maybe we could take all the funds we give to Israel and simply emancipate those guys - that's pretty straight forward, right? I mean, I can't think of a reason why 'anon' would disagree since he keeps bringing up the issue of slavery all the time.

    Peace.
  130. @Clyde
    Hello and ISIS is too legit to quit. Your preaching to me is so excellent that you should go to the Middle East and stop a few Muslim on Muslim wars with it. One thing the infidels know is that when Muslims battle Muslims they have no time to aggress against the non-Muslims.

    Mohamed. The most successful false prophet. Perhaps the human sacrifice obsessed Aztecs would still be around if they had a prophet who lead them around by the nose.

    Hey Mawlana Clyde,

    ISIS is too legit to quit

    Despite your hammer-pants-inspired protestations, they will quit like all the other extremist sects before them (or have you seen Qarmatis or Almohads walking around) – read history. This is their 15 minutes of fame.

    Or maybe you meant, in the logic of Israeli/Neocon planners:
    ISIS is too legit to quit…funding, supporting, arming them.

    http://news.antiwar.com/2016/06/21/israeli-intel-chief-we-dont-want-isis-defeated-in-syria/

    One thing the infidels know is that when Muslims battle Muslims they have no time to aggress against the non-Muslims.

    Logic dictates the truth of that statement as it does this one; “One thing the Muslims know is that when non-Muslims battle non-Muslims they have no time to aggress against the Muslims.” Which is why the years of WW2 were relatively peaceful in the Muslim world (despite a few highlights like Rommel’s incursion into North Africa) while Europeans were pulping each other and grinding each other’s cities to powder. It was also much safer for Jews:
    “King Mohammed V of Morocco was honored posthumously for protecting his country’s 250,000 Jews during World War II.”
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/late-moroccan-king-honored-for-protecting-his-countrys-jews/

    And it set the stage for Muslim countries gaining independence from European powers that were struggling to keep on their feet.

    The most successful false prophet.

    No, Mawlana Clyde, no! Don’t worry, your first aqeedah primer should take care of that mistake.

    But, from perspective of history, false prophets aren’t very successful. Of course, yours is an opinion, every one has one; the only question is, whose opinion is worthy of being given an ear:
    “Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images, the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire: that is Muhammad. As regards all the standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask; is there any man greater than he?” ― Alphonse de Lamartine
    http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/337636-philosopher-orator-apostle-legislator-warrior-conqueror-of-ideas-restorer-of

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    “Now he rolls
    O’er the plain in silvery splendor,
    And the plain his splendor borrows;
    And the rivulets from the plain,
    And the brooklets from the hillsides
    All are shouting to him: Brother,
    Brother, take thy brothers too,
    Take us to thy ancient Father,
    To the everlasting ocean

    Come ye all, then!
    Now, more proudly,
    On he swells; a countless race, they
    Bear their glorious prince aloft!
    On he rolls triumphantly,
    Giving names to countries. Cities
    Spring to being ’neath his foot.

    Onward, with incessant roaring,
    See! he passes proudly by
    Flaming turrets, marble mansions,
    Creatures of his fulness all.

    Cedar houses bears this Atlas
    On his giant shoulders. Rustling,
    Flapping in the playful breezes,
    Thousand flags about his head are
    Telling of his majesty.

    And so bears he all his brothers,
    And his treasures, and his children,
    To their Sire, all joyous roaring,
    Pressing to his mighty heart.”

    Mahomet’s Song – by Goethe
    http://www.bartleby.com/270/11/203.html

    Peace.

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  131. @jacques sheete

    "The numerous posters and authors whining about Israel day in and day out would be far more attractive if they could channel their jealousy into something more productive."
     
    Yeah, well the Zio-Israeli sympathizers themselves would have much less to whine about if they'd channel their energies away from "influencing" the US government to do their murderous, destructive bidding.

    It would also help if fewer US tax dollars and other special treatment were channeled somewhere other than the Zio mobsters.

    Hey JS,

    I think we can come to an impasse with ‘anon’ – he is so concerned with slavery in remote parts of Sudan and Mauritania (he forgot to mention in some areas of Saudi too), maybe we could take all the funds we give to Israel and simply emancipate those guys – that’s pretty straight forward, right? I mean, I can’t think of a reason why ‘anon’ would disagree since he keeps bringing up the issue of slavery all the time.

    Peace.

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    I think "arrangement" and not "impasse" is what you mean.

    Not half a bad idea.
  132. @Randal
    I appreciate the comment and understand and respect your position. One can (or should be able to) debate the most contentious issues in the most heated terms, and yet turn around and respect the right of the opponent to make his case. My impression is that you give as good as you get here, which can reasonably be described as the lion's den as far as your position is concerned.

    The problem is that people like "robbersdog" and organisations like the "Campaign Against Antisemitism" that he obviously works with, are unable to recognise that they have the right to respond verbally to verbal "attacks", but when they seek to go beyond that they are in the wrong. And such identity lobbying (like the similar race-baiting of black advocates such as Jesse Jackson in the past) wins them status, profit and opportunities to vicariously bully and inflict suffering on their targets, but in doing so they generate bitter hatred and hostility that will come back and bite innocent members of their community in the long run.

    Here's another case reported recently in Britain:

    A far right activist who posted "vile, anti-Semitic material" online ahead of a planned neo-Nazi rally in London has been jailed for more than three years.

    I know nothing more about the case than is in that report, and it is possible that this individual represents the "worst case" for defenders of free speech in this area - a genuine anti-Semite who really hates jewish people and quite possibly advocates violence and maybe gave his targets real reasons to fear physical assaults. It may even be that, if there is some of the latter, then a criminal intervention was appropriate for those aspects of his speech - that's where the right to free speech ends, not at offence but at direct threats. But look at the sentence! Three years and four months in prison!

    Compare that with the laughable sentence of four years (amounting to two years inside given good behaviour) given to the unprovoked killer of an Aspergers man - a hefty young thug and previously convicted criminal out on a suspended sentence for robbery who decided his victim had "disrespected" his mate. That outrageous sentence was explicitly tested before the Court of Appeal, whose members in their "wisdom" somehow concluded it was "not unduly lenient".

    One punch killer sentence 'a joke', says victim's mother

    Lewis Gill: Death punch man's jail term upheld

    Four years for killing a man in an act of unprovoked violence. Three years and four months for offensive speech.

    [My impression is that you give as good as you get here, which can reasonably be described as the lion’s den as far as your position is concerned.]

    Quite. Yet it’s a dull business for the most part, humour rarely in evidence and often I’ve wondered whether I should persist, with Chesterton reminding:

    “Going mad is the slowest and dullest business in the world. I have very nearly done it more than once in my boyhood, and so have nearly all my friends, born under the general doom of mortals, …”

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    Well on the one hand you only know the real strength of your own positions when you test them against the people who really hate them.

    On the other, it's often mere emotive abuse flying to and fro, and that can be unproductive and get very wearing when you are in the minority view.

    It's not as much of a problem for me because I usually get banned from any leftist or mainstream populated site (which would be the equivalent for me of this site for you) long before it gets too wearing :-)
    , @Greasy William

    [My impression is that you give as good as you get here, which can reasonably be described as the lion’s den as far as your position is concerned.]
     
    He's right. You manage to offend both pro and anti Jewish people with your ideas.


    Quite. Yet it’s a dull business for the most part, humour rarely in evidence and often I’ve wondered whether I should persist
     
    Then you aren't here for the right reasons. Debate to entertain yourself, not to change minds. Definitely don't try to change opinions of people on Giraldi comment threads where a solid 75% of the commenters are literally mentally ill.
  133. @Greasy William
    I thought you liked Russophobia. You are all over the place.

    Western media is more anti Putin than anti Russia. I've never really noticed much Russia bashing in the American press. I can't speak for the European press.

    I thought you liked Russophobia. You are all over the place.

    I never did. Quite the contrary. Many here called me names, but they do not understand.
    If I’m very critical of Putin and his clique it’s because I think the current regime is doing harm for Russia and most importantly it is not much different in its essence from the regime of Yeltsin. Not that I offer a solution and I’m not a bit for the “Russian” “opposition”, but still nobody could forbid me to express my criticism.

    Western media is more anti Putin than anti Russia. I’ve never really noticed much Russia bashing in the American press. I can’t speak for the European press.

    They do not say Putinian government or Putinland, they say Russia and Russian. Even if I’m not too sensitive, but that offends me anyway. Russophobia is reality. I feel it. Do you think they hate Putin because he is doing harm to Russia? That they want Russia to be a great power and all Russians (not only oligarchs) to be rich like the West? No way! Simply imagine if the Russian GDP per capita would be like of the USA, it’s $50,000 by 150m, that’s 7.5 trillions! Russia would be the third most powerful economy with few to match! No, they hate exactly Russia, they never want Russia to be even close to their level. They hate Putin because they think he’s making Russia “great again” (it does not matter what is actually happening, they fear even a slightest possibility).

    Not that I’m saying every American or European layman hates Russians, but propaganda works and I’ve encountered a hateful attitude toward Russians many times.

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    Do you think they hate Putin because he is doing harm to Russia?
     
    I don't think you understand how much the gay rights stuff and there being an independent counterweight to US/Western centered globalism bothers them. You probably have never been to America, but being anti gay here is considered the worse thing possible.

    I don't remember seeing any anti Russia stuff in the US press until the Ukraine crisis. That was when Putin suddenly became Satan. Before that, Russia was a partisan issue: the right were Russophobes and the Left wanted to turn over a new leaf with Russia. That all changed after the Ukraine crisis. Suddenly you started seeing pro Russia stuff from the right and the left overnight thought we were in Cold War II. Then came the Pussy Riot thing and after that we started seeing more reporting on the anti gay stuff. And then when Trump got on the scene things got REALLY bad. If there is any true Russophobia in the US media, as opposed to just Putinophobia, it didn't get big until Trump.

    Interestingly, the media is also getting more pro China since Trump. They were very anti China in the 90s.

    There is still a lot of genuine Russophobia on the right, but the left would be happy to have better relations with Russia if Russia dumped Putin, left the Ukraine, ended that anti establishment Russia Today channel and became pro gay.
  134. @Talha
    Wrong Boris, Greasy...
    http://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Boris

    I doubt he has confused me. We crossed here and there and he’s supposed to know. Moreover, it is difficult to confuse me with that one Boris.
    But I agree I’ve chosen my nickname too carelessly, it is too common, but I just did not expect I would be here for that long.

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  135. Interesting how the “fake news” category was invented a day after the election. And, even more interesting, the MSM seems to think nobody notices that odd coincidence, or cares.

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  136. @Sam Shama
    [My impression is that you give as good as you get here, which can reasonably be described as the lion’s den as far as your position is concerned.]

    Quite. Yet it's a dull business for the most part, humour rarely in evidence and often I've wondered whether I should persist, with Chesterton reminding:

    "Going mad is the slowest and dullest business in the world. I have very nearly done it more than once in my boyhood, and so have nearly all my friends, born under the general doom of mortals, ..."

    Well on the one hand you only know the real strength of your own positions when you test them against the people who really hate them.

    On the other, it’s often mere emotive abuse flying to and fro, and that can be unproductive and get very wearing when you are in the minority view.

    It’s not as much of a problem for me because I usually get banned from any leftist or mainstream populated site (which would be the equivalent for me of this site for you) long before it gets too wearing :-)

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    There is this idea floating around that Unz is not right wing, nor alt-right and not anti-Semitic. Comments such as yours indicates that many of the commenters here think otherwise.
  137. @Randal
    Well on the one hand you only know the real strength of your own positions when you test them against the people who really hate them.

    On the other, it's often mere emotive abuse flying to and fro, and that can be unproductive and get very wearing when you are in the minority view.

    It's not as much of a problem for me because I usually get banned from any leftist or mainstream populated site (which would be the equivalent for me of this site for you) long before it gets too wearing :-)

    There is this idea floating around that Unz is not right wing, nor alt-right and not anti-Semitic. Comments such as yours indicates that many of the commenters here think otherwise.

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    • Replies: @Randal
    Unz is clearly not anti-Semitic, nor is the website.

    The comment community here certainly seems to have more openly anti-Semitic, and "anti-Semitic", commenters than the norm, simply because such opinions and the people who express them are routinely censored and banned at most mainstream sites in the US sphere.

    It's an inevitable consequence of Unz himself presumably being a genuine believer in political freedom of speech, operating in a society which is not. (The many loudly declared commitments to free political speech in the societies of the modern US sphere are the equivalents of the many loud declarations in the old Soviet bloc of their societies' commitments to peace and the brotherhood of nations).
  138. @iffen
    There is this idea floating around that Unz is not right wing, nor alt-right and not anti-Semitic. Comments such as yours indicates that many of the commenters here think otherwise.

    Unz is clearly not anti-Semitic, nor is the website.

    The comment community here certainly seems to have more openly anti-Semitic, and “anti-Semitic”, commenters than the norm, simply because such opinions and the people who express them are routinely censored and banned at most mainstream sites in the US sphere.

    It’s an inevitable consequence of Unz himself presumably being a genuine believer in political freedom of speech, operating in a society which is not. (The many loudly declared commitments to free political speech in the societies of the modern US sphere are the equivalents of the many loud declarations in the old Soviet bloc of their societies’ commitments to peace and the brotherhood of nations).

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    • Replies: @iffen
    So this comment of yours was just fluff, nonsensical?

    (which would be the equivalent for me of this site for you)
    , @iffen
    The comment community here certainly seems to have more openly anti-Semitic, and “anti-Semitic”, commenters than the norm, simply because such opinions and the people who express them are routinely censored and banned at most mainstream sites in the US sphere.

    So, such commenters feel accepted here. They are turned away from other venues, but find a "home" here.
    , @Sam Shama
    [It’s an inevitable consequence of Unz himself presumably being a genuine believer in political freedom of speech]

    Yes, that is the truth though I've seen some of the +2sd unhinged claim with grave certainty that Ron is a tool of the fiendish Zio octopus engaged in a deep psychological mission.
    , @schmenz
    Randal,

    The people who comment, who you refer to as "antisemitic", are...what? Are they criticizing Jews for their DNA, their race, or are they criticizing Jewish behavior, which is an entirely different thing. I can criticize the behavior of some Irishmen; does that make me anti Irish?

    Behavior-wise it is unfortunately true that many Jews are tribal and cannot accept any criticism of any kind, particularly of their behavior. But if "antisemitism" means anything at all it means a hatred of a certain race, and I see little to none of that in the comments here. I can sleep comfortably in the knowledge that if I criticize certain behaviors of certain Jews I am not a hater of their entire race, which includes others who are not Jews. It would be contradictory: the treatment Israeli Jews mete out to their fellow Semites , the Palestinians, is an example of such a contradiction. Hopefully we can agree on that.

    That is why I have asked in other articles here for a definition of antisemitism from those who throw around that word with such gay abandon. It's a convenient epithet to throw around but it confuses more than it clarifies.

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    @Talha
    Hey JS,

    I think we can come to an impasse with 'anon' - he is so concerned with slavery in remote parts of Sudan and Mauritania (he forgot to mention in some areas of Saudi too), maybe we could take all the funds we give to Israel and simply emancipate those guys - that's pretty straight forward, right? I mean, I can't think of a reason why 'anon' would disagree since he keeps bringing up the issue of slavery all the time.

    Peace.

    I think “arrangement” and not “impasse” is what you mean.

    Not half a bad idea.

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    I realized the same thing after I had posted. I might have been able to pull it off with the right amount of sarcasm at the end, but totally fell flat.

    Thanks for pointing out my mistake without insult or injury - much obliged!

    Peace.
  140. @Boris N

    I thought you liked Russophobia. You are all over the place.
     
    I never did. Quite the contrary. Many here called me names, but they do not understand.
    If I'm very critical of Putin and his clique it's because I think the current regime is doing harm for Russia and most importantly it is not much different in its essence from the regime of Yeltsin. Not that I offer a solution and I'm not a bit for the "Russian" "opposition", but still nobody could forbid me to express my criticism.

    Western media is more anti Putin than anti Russia. I’ve never really noticed much Russia bashing in the American press. I can’t speak for the European press.
     
    They do not say Putinian government or Putinland, they say Russia and Russian. Even if I'm not too sensitive, but that offends me anyway. Russophobia is reality. I feel it. Do you think they hate Putin because he is doing harm to Russia? That they want Russia to be a great power and all Russians (not only oligarchs) to be rich like the West? No way! Simply imagine if the Russian GDP per capita would be like of the USA, it's $50,000 by 150m, that's 7.5 trillions! Russia would be the third most powerful economy with few to match! No, they hate exactly Russia, they never want Russia to be even close to their level. They hate Putin because they think he's making Russia "great again" (it does not matter what is actually happening, they fear even a slightest possibility).

    Not that I'm saying every American or European layman hates Russians, but propaganda works and I've encountered a hateful attitude toward Russians many times.

    Do you think they hate Putin because he is doing harm to Russia?

    I don’t think you understand how much the gay rights stuff and there being an independent counterweight to US/Western centered globalism bothers them. You probably have never been to America, but being anti gay here is considered the worse thing possible.

    I don’t remember seeing any anti Russia stuff in the US press until the Ukraine crisis. That was when Putin suddenly became Satan. Before that, Russia was a partisan issue: the right were Russophobes and the Left wanted to turn over a new leaf with Russia. That all changed after the Ukraine crisis. Suddenly you started seeing pro Russia stuff from the right and the left overnight thought we were in Cold War II. Then came the Pussy Riot thing and after that we started seeing more reporting on the anti gay stuff. And then when Trump got on the scene things got REALLY bad. If there is any true Russophobia in the US media, as opposed to just Putinophobia, it didn’t get big until Trump.

    Interestingly, the media is also getting more pro China since Trump. They were very anti China in the 90s.

    There is still a lot of genuine Russophobia on the right, but the left would be happy to have better relations with Russia if Russia dumped Putin, left the Ukraine, ended that anti establishment Russia Today channel and became pro gay.

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    I don’t remember seeing any anti Russia stuff in the US press until the Ukraine crisis. That was when Putin suddenly became Satan.
     
    You do not remember much. Probably you were just not interested in Russia before 2014. But I remember much more. Let's go chronologically, just a few notable cases during the past 25 years:
    1) The First Chechen War. Russia, still not utterly demonized, was being blamed for its imperialism toward freedom loving Chechen terrorists, kidnappers and throat-cutters. It was the first time after 1991 when Russian saw the hostility and hypocrisy of the West toward Russia. And around since then the word "liberal" in Russian became to mean "Russophobe". Because the Russian liberal media have always parroted the Western view, and back then that media was very Russophobic, pro-Chechen and pro-Western.
    2) Serbia/Kosovo. Russian had a clear pro-Serbian position. The Russian involvement were disallowed at best.
    3) Yukos. Russia became to be openly depicted as totalitarian and Putin as a dictator, oppressing freedom loving innocent oligarchs.
    4) Georgia/Ossetia 2008. I remember very clearly that war, and the West literally was furious and Russophobic. Russophobia ran really amok. Even if later it has been admitted that it was Georgia which started the war, Russia still remains the aggressor in the public opinion, thanks to propaganda.
    5) The media hysteria about Magnitsky in 2010-12. Again dictator Putin in totalitarian Russia oppressed freedom loving Western tax evaders and their minions.
    6) The media hysteria about Pussy Riot (they were in 2012 actually, two years before the second Maidan).
    7) The media hysteria about the "oppression" of gays in about 2013.
    8) The media hysteria about the Sochi Olympics.
    9) The Russian support of Iran, Syria, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. was always depicted as a sign of inherent evilness of Russia. Russia was even listed as a part of the new "Axis of Evil" by the Pentagon.
    10) And only then, finally, the crisis of 2014.

    To sum that up at least for ten years before 2014 Russia has been variously blamed and demonized. It hasn't started with Ukraine and even if Russia were not involved the Western establishment would find something else to blame and encircle Russia.
    And I've only told about the period after 1991, but I could go back down up to the the First Crimean War and the "Great Game" of the 19th century, which situation resonates very much with today.

    There is still a lot of genuine Russophobia on the right, but the left would be happy to have better relations with Russia if Russia dumped Putin,
     
    I doubt that. Instead of Putin there may come a man like Shoigu or Rogozin, and Russia would be even more hated. The West might like people such as Khodorkovsky or Kasparov but they'll never come into power even with a Russian maidan.

    left the Ukraine
     
    It will never happen. Especially without Putin. Putin in fact is very friendly to Ukraine, he's a genuine guarantee that Russia will no go further than the Crimea. Better to ask Washington to leave Texas and Alaska. Americans do not understand that Ukraine and Belarus for Russia are not some other neighboring countries like Mongolia or Finland, instead those countries are vitally important and inalienable from Russia. Their independence is a bitter twist of the history and Russians will always see them as separatists.

    ended that anti establishment Russia Today channel
     
    I do not know what is wrong with them, there is freedom of speech and no one has the right to shut up anybody, but I do not like them, either, they do not deserve that large amount of tax money they are getting now.

    and became pro gay.
     
    It won't happen, either, at least for the upcoming 20 or 40 years. The Russian public does not have homophobia, and gays are not persecuted in Russia (it is a blatant lie), but people there will not accept LGBT and gay marriages as a norm. No way. One must brainwash them at least for 40 years to accept those things, as it has happened with very Catholic countries like Ireland and Spain. Catholic Lithuania and Poland still do not recognize gay marriage either, by the way.

    So it is not about Putin or LGBT at all. These are just excuses to justify the hate toward Russia.
    , @Boris N
    A very intersting article. It's 2006. Now, though, it is unbeliavable any MSM would publish such a thing.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jun/30/comment.russia
  141. @Sam Shama
    [My impression is that you give as good as you get here, which can reasonably be described as the lion’s den as far as your position is concerned.]

    Quite. Yet it's a dull business for the most part, humour rarely in evidence and often I've wondered whether I should persist, with Chesterton reminding:

    "Going mad is the slowest and dullest business in the world. I have very nearly done it more than once in my boyhood, and so have nearly all my friends, born under the general doom of mortals, ..."

    [My impression is that you give as good as you get here, which can reasonably be described as the lion’s den as far as your position is concerned.]

    He’s right. You manage to offend both pro and anti Jewish people with your ideas.

    Quite. Yet it’s a dull business for the most part, humour rarely in evidence and often I’ve wondered whether I should persist

    Then you aren’t here for the right reasons. Debate to entertain yourself, not to change minds. Definitely don’t try to change opinions of people on Giraldi comment threads where a solid 75% of the commenters are literally mentally ill.

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    Hahahaa.

    Who have I offended on the "pro-Jewish" side? You, of course, would be to the Zionist cause what Atilla the Hun was for the far Right in this country, mate.

    Oh I do try to change minds and some have I reckon [I've watched a few subtly change positions].
    Besides what's wrong with a debate being entertaining and weren't you the chap who once came around and declared on one of Shamir's pieces (?) "Where is Giraldi? I want to be entertained"? See I have a decent memory.
    , @Sam Shama
    [Definitely don’t try to change opinions of people on Giraldi comment threads where a solid 75% of the commenters are literally mentally ill.]

    I am beginning to agree with your every word in that sentence after having just gone through a thoroughly bizarre discussion on another thread. My interlocutor there clearly believed he was making valid points, never mind he hadn't any direct or personal experience of the situation........

  142. @Randal
    Unz is clearly not anti-Semitic, nor is the website.

    The comment community here certainly seems to have more openly anti-Semitic, and "anti-Semitic", commenters than the norm, simply because such opinions and the people who express them are routinely censored and banned at most mainstream sites in the US sphere.

    It's an inevitable consequence of Unz himself presumably being a genuine believer in political freedom of speech, operating in a society which is not. (The many loudly declared commitments to free political speech in the societies of the modern US sphere are the equivalents of the many loud declarations in the old Soviet bloc of their societies' commitments to peace and the brotherhood of nations).

    So this comment of yours was just fluff, nonsensical?

    (which would be the equivalent for me of this site for you)

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  143. @Randal
    Unz is clearly not anti-Semitic, nor is the website.

    The comment community here certainly seems to have more openly anti-Semitic, and "anti-Semitic", commenters than the norm, simply because such opinions and the people who express them are routinely censored and banned at most mainstream sites in the US sphere.

    It's an inevitable consequence of Unz himself presumably being a genuine believer in political freedom of speech, operating in a society which is not. (The many loudly declared commitments to free political speech in the societies of the modern US sphere are the equivalents of the many loud declarations in the old Soviet bloc of their societies' commitments to peace and the brotherhood of nations).

    The comment community here certainly seems to have more openly anti-Semitic, and “anti-Semitic”, commenters than the norm, simply because such opinions and the people who express them are routinely censored and banned at most mainstream sites in the US sphere.

    So, such commenters feel accepted here. They are turned away from other venues, but find a “home” here.

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    So this comment of yours was just fluff, nonsensical?
     
    The comment was a little light hearted, as I think was clear in context, but no, it wasn't nonsensical.

    There are, as I said, larger numbers of openly anti-Semitic and "anti-Semitic" (such constructions are required with inherently dishonest smear terms like "anti-Semitic", "racist", "homophobic" etc, because the definitions are deliberately elastic, and deliberately try to conflate disapproval or disagreement with hatred) commenters here than on the average discussion forum, and they are freer to engage in debate honestly, because they are not routinely censored and banned here as they are elsewhere. That means that people like yourself and Sam, who presumably strongly disagree with most of those particular views, are going to encounter much more robust opposition than you would normally on those issues.

    Same applies to me when I comment on sites with broadly left-wing and politically correct populations - my opinions are like the proverbial red rags to them. However, most such sites are heavily censored and dissenting opinions are usually removed or bowdlerised and those expressing them fairly quickly banned. If, like me, your practice is not to go back to a site where you have been banned, under another identity, that means you aren't there long enough to get frustrated with the opposition. It's so long since I was banned from the Guardian site, for instance, that I can't even remember what particular transgression against Official Truth I was banned for.

    So, such commenters feel accepted here. They are turned away from other venues, but find a “home” here.
     
    Well, yes and no. Yes, in the sense that they can be honest and don't have to self-censor, and in the sense that their own opinions are likely to be over-represented in the commenting population. But not in the sense that they find the above the line content of the website itself particularly attuned to their particular concerns, I don't think.

    Presumably the corollary of your comment was intended to be that therefore Unz is encouraging them when he ought not to do so, and that he should be held responsible for doing so.

    I don't agree with this. I object to the idea that a free speech advocate must abandon his principles precisely because the routine censorship in the rest of society means he ends up with a higher proportion of dissident opinion-holders on his site. The fault is with the censorious and illiberal state of the wider society, not the individual who tries in some small way to promote liberty.
  144. @anonymous
    I think "arrangement" and not "impasse" is what you mean.

    Not half a bad idea.

    I realized the same thing after I had posted. I might have been able to pull it off with the right amount of sarcasm at the end, but totally fell flat.

    Thanks for pointing out my mistake without insult or injury – much obliged!

    Peace.

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  145. @Greasy William

    [My impression is that you give as good as you get here, which can reasonably be described as the lion’s den as far as your position is concerned.]
     
    He's right. You manage to offend both pro and anti Jewish people with your ideas.


    Quite. Yet it’s a dull business for the most part, humour rarely in evidence and often I’ve wondered whether I should persist
     
    Then you aren't here for the right reasons. Debate to entertain yourself, not to change minds. Definitely don't try to change opinions of people on Giraldi comment threads where a solid 75% of the commenters are literally mentally ill.

    Hahahaa.

    Who have I offended on the “pro-Jewish” side? You, of course, would be to the Zionist cause what Atilla the Hun was for the far Right in this country, mate.

    Oh I do try to change minds and some have I reckon [I've watched a few subtly change positions].
    Besides what’s wrong with a debate being entertaining and weren’t you the chap who once came around and declared on one of Shamir’s pieces (?) “Where is Giraldi? I want to be entertained”? See I have a decent memory.

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    You, of course, would be to the Zionist cause what Atilla the Hun was for the far Right in this country, mate.
     
    I'm not a Zionist. You know that.

    I also would suggest that, unlike Europe, the far right doesn't really exist in the US.

    Besides what’s wrong with a debate being entertaining
     
    Nothing at all. That's what I said: entertainment is the purpose of debate. I never feel like I am wasting my time in a debate because I have no interest in convincing others of my point of view. *I* already know that I am right about everything, I don't need to convince anybody else. This is doubly true when one takes into account that most of the commenters here are simply nuts.

    That Shamir article you were referring to was not very entertaining. I was right to complain about it.
  146. @Randal
    Unz is clearly not anti-Semitic, nor is the website.

    The comment community here certainly seems to have more openly anti-Semitic, and "anti-Semitic", commenters than the norm, simply because such opinions and the people who express them are routinely censored and banned at most mainstream sites in the US sphere.

    It's an inevitable consequence of Unz himself presumably being a genuine believer in political freedom of speech, operating in a society which is not. (The many loudly declared commitments to free political speech in the societies of the modern US sphere are the equivalents of the many loud declarations in the old Soviet bloc of their societies' commitments to peace and the brotherhood of nations).

    [It’s an inevitable consequence of Unz himself presumably being a genuine believer in political freedom of speech]

    Yes, that is the truth though I’ve seen some of the +2sd unhinged claim with grave certainty that Ron is a tool of the fiendish Zio octopus engaged in a deep psychological mission.

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    Hey Sam,

    that Ron is a tool of the fiendish Zio octopus
     
    Some people inhabit the space in the Venn Diagram between those that need mental help and those that have access to the internet.

    Peace.
    , @Randal

    Yes, that is the truth though I’ve seen some of the +2sd unhinged claim with grave certainty that Ron is a tool of the fiendish Zio octopus engaged in a deep psychological mission.
     
    Seems pretty unlikely to me, but I don't know Unz so I suppose it's theoretically possible - in the sense that I suppose one could construct a reasonably coherent scenario (with a lot of stretching) whereby there is some kind of entrapment or distraction going on. You'd want some pretty strong evidence for it, to take it seriously, though.

    More plausible imo is that people who every day see their arguments routinely suppressed and censored, laws passed against them, and people even peripherally embracing their cause publicly getting sacked and blacklisted, are likely to get a little paranoid about the capabilities and powers of their opponents. Such is the fate of dissidents in any society.

    Oh I do try to change minds and some have I reckon [I've watched a few subtly change positions].
     
    I have seen that, as well, over the decades I've been discussing politics online (since there was an online to discuss things on), and in truth I've seen my own positions change over time in response to debate.

    That's exactly how it happens - subtly and over time. Few are willing or even able to admit defeat on an issue in the heat of a debate, but some do absorb strong points afterwards, if they find themselves unable to really satisfactorily refute them over the course of repeated discussions. Sometimes observers will read a well made point and understand an issue differently, as well, but I reckon that's rarer.

    But like Greasy William, I don't think that is really a useful purpose of these discussions - the numbers are too small to make proselytization of one's views relevant, except occasionally on particular issues and in particular forums - I've made the point before that I think the 2013 proposal to bomb Syria was one of those rare occasions). I too see it as entertainment, in the broadest sense (it is my main hobby, after all), but it's self-improvement that is the real goal. As I noted above, one's ideas about the world can only really be tested and improved by debating them (in a place where genuinely free discussion is allowed - quite rare, actually) with people who really hate them and will go that extra mile to find a way to refute them.

    That only works, of course, if one is prepared to actually listen to the people one is shouting at even as they shout back.
  147. @Sam Shama
    [It’s an inevitable consequence of Unz himself presumably being a genuine believer in political freedom of speech]

    Yes, that is the truth though I've seen some of the +2sd unhinged claim with grave certainty that Ron is a tool of the fiendish Zio octopus engaged in a deep psychological mission.

    Hey Sam,

    that Ron is a tool of the fiendish Zio octopus

    Some people inhabit the space in the Venn Diagram between those that need mental help and those that have access to the internet.

    Peace.

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    You need to smile when you say something like that, partner. :)
    , @Sam Shama
    Right you are, precisely the reason I once speculated that Ron's webzine beyond its unique content serves equally well as a therapeutic device.
  148. @Sam Shama
    Hahahaa.

    Who have I offended on the "pro-Jewish" side? You, of course, would be to the Zionist cause what Atilla the Hun was for the far Right in this country, mate.

    Oh I do try to change minds and some have I reckon [I've watched a few subtly change positions].
    Besides what's wrong with a debate being entertaining and weren't you the chap who once came around and declared on one of Shamir's pieces (?) "Where is Giraldi? I want to be entertained"? See I have a decent memory.

    You, of course, would be to the Zionist cause what Atilla the Hun was for the far Right in this country, mate.

    I’m not a Zionist. You know that.

    I also would suggest that, unlike Europe, the far right doesn’t really exist in the US.

    Besides what’s wrong with a debate being entertaining

    Nothing at all. That’s what I said: entertainment is the purpose of debate. I never feel like I am wasting my time in a debate because I have no interest in convincing others of my point of view. *I* already know that I am right about everything, I don’t need to convince anybody else. This is doubly true when one takes into account that most of the commenters here are simply nuts.

    That Shamir article you were referring to was not very entertaining. I was right to complain about it.

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    [I’m not a Zionist. You know that.]

    Fine you are a Torah Jew. So serious questions : What are your views on (1) Naftali Bennet and his party (2) The Neturei Karta and similar sects?

    You write so matter-of-factly about your positions held outrageous by most that it managed to confuse me until I read your last post more carefully.

    So it is as if you are certain of the future, laughing and entertaining yourself at the futility of views discordant to your own.

    Got it.

  149. @Sam Shama
    [It’s an inevitable consequence of Unz himself presumably being a genuine believer in political freedom of speech]

    Yes, that is the truth though I've seen some of the +2sd unhinged claim with grave certainty that Ron is a tool of the fiendish Zio octopus engaged in a deep psychological mission.

    Yes, that is the truth though I’ve seen some of the +2sd unhinged claim with grave certainty that Ron is a tool of the fiendish Zio octopus engaged in a deep psychological mission.

    Seems pretty unlikely to me, but I don’t know Unz so I suppose it’s theoretically possible – in the sense that I suppose one could construct a reasonably coherent scenario (with a lot of stretching) whereby there is some kind of entrapment or distraction going on. You’d want some pretty strong evidence for it, to take it seriously, though.

    More plausible imo is that people who every day see their arguments routinely suppressed and censored, laws passed against them, and people even peripherally embracing their cause publicly getting sacked and blacklisted, are likely to get a little paranoid about the capabilities and powers of their opponents. Such is the fate of dissidents in any society.

    Oh I do try to change minds and some have I reckon [I've watched a few subtly change positions].

    I have seen that, as well, over the decades I’ve been discussing politics online (since there was an online to discuss things on), and in truth I’ve seen my own positions change over time in response to debate.

    That’s exactly how it happens – subtly and over time. Few are willing or even able to admit defeat on an issue in the heat of a debate, but some do absorb strong points afterwards, if they find themselves unable to really satisfactorily refute them over the course of repeated discussions. Sometimes observers will read a well made point and understand an issue differently, as well, but I reckon that’s rarer.

    But like Greasy William, I don’t think that is really a useful purpose of these discussions – the numbers are too small to make proselytization of one’s views relevant, except occasionally on particular issues and in particular forums – I’ve made the point before that I think the 2013 proposal to bomb Syria was one of those rare occasions). I too see it as entertainment, in the broadest sense (it is my main hobby, after all), but it’s self-improvement that is the real goal. As I noted above, one’s ideas about the world can only really be tested and improved by debating them (in a place where genuinely free discussion is allowed – quite rare, actually) with people who really hate them and will go that extra mile to find a way to refute them.

    That only works, of course, if one is prepared to actually listen to the people one is shouting at even as they shout back.

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  150. @iffen
    The comment community here certainly seems to have more openly anti-Semitic, and “anti-Semitic”, commenters than the norm, simply because such opinions and the people who express them are routinely censored and banned at most mainstream sites in the US sphere.

    So, such commenters feel accepted here. They are turned away from other venues, but find a "home" here.

    So this comment of yours was just fluff, nonsensical?

    The comment was a little light hearted, as I think was clear in context, but no, it wasn’t nonsensical.

    There are, as I said, larger numbers of openly anti-Semitic and “anti-Semitic” (such constructions are required with inherently dishonest smear terms like “anti-Semitic”, “racist”, “homophobic” etc, because the definitions are deliberately elastic, and deliberately try to conflate disapproval or disagreement with hatred) commenters here than on the average discussion forum, and they are freer to engage in debate honestly, because they are not routinely censored and banned here as they are elsewhere. That means that people like yourself and Sam, who presumably strongly disagree with most of those particular views, are going to encounter much more robust opposition than you would normally on those issues.

    Same applies to me when I comment on sites with broadly left-wing and politically correct populations – my opinions are like the proverbial red rags to them. However, most such sites are heavily censored and dissenting opinions are usually removed or bowdlerised and those expressing them fairly quickly banned. If, like me, your practice is not to go back to a site where you have been banned, under another identity, that means you aren’t there long enough to get frustrated with the opposition. It’s so long since I was banned from the Guardian site, for instance, that I can’t even remember what particular transgression against Official Truth I was banned for.

    So, such commenters feel accepted here. They are turned away from other venues, but find a “home” here.

    Well, yes and no. Yes, in the sense that they can be honest and don’t have to self-censor, and in the sense that their own opinions are likely to be over-represented in the commenting population. But not in the sense that they find the above the line content of the website itself particularly attuned to their particular concerns, I don’t think.

    Presumably the corollary of your comment was intended to be that therefore Unz is encouraging them when he ought not to do so, and that he should be held responsible for doing so.

    I don’t agree with this. I object to the idea that a free speech advocate must abandon his principles precisely because the routine censorship in the rest of society means he ends up with a higher proportion of dissident opinion-holders on his site. The fault is with the censorious and illiberal state of the wider society, not the individual who tries in some small way to promote liberty.

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    Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media

    If this is the starting point, your publication will be on the right. The MSM is liberal and to the left. There are not many leftist views that are excluded. This will leave your publication overwhelmingly right wing and publishing a few anti-war, anti-military industrial complex type articles along with libertarian pieces and some looney left stuff as balance. Thought that is excluded from the MSM is not a representative sample.

    I object to the idea that a free speech advocate must abandon his principles precisely because the routine censorship in the rest of society means he ends up with a higher proportion of dissident opinion-holders on his site.

    I consider myself to be a dissident opinion-holder, that doesn't mean that I believe in the Jew-matrix. That doesn't mean I have to follow all these Alice's down their rabbit holes looking for the latest Jew-nection.

    My point is, and remains; you are running the risk of being identified as an anti-Semitic site. There is a point to Holocaust denial, just like there is a point to WWII history revision.

    Interesting comments here as to our motivations, I am not trying to change anyone’s mind either. I enjoy and benefit from informed dialogue and get it here from time to time.

  151. @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    that Ron is a tool of the fiendish Zio octopus
     
    Some people inhabit the space in the Venn Diagram between those that need mental help and those that have access to the internet.

    Peace.

    You need to smile when you say something like that, partner. :)

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  152. @Randal

    So this comment of yours was just fluff, nonsensical?
     
    The comment was a little light hearted, as I think was clear in context, but no, it wasn't nonsensical.

    There are, as I said, larger numbers of openly anti-Semitic and "anti-Semitic" (such constructions are required with inherently dishonest smear terms like "anti-Semitic", "racist", "homophobic" etc, because the definitions are deliberately elastic, and deliberately try to conflate disapproval or disagreement with hatred) commenters here than on the average discussion forum, and they are freer to engage in debate honestly, because they are not routinely censored and banned here as they are elsewhere. That means that people like yourself and Sam, who presumably strongly disagree with most of those particular views, are going to encounter much more robust opposition than you would normally on those issues.

    Same applies to me when I comment on sites with broadly left-wing and politically correct populations - my opinions are like the proverbial red rags to them. However, most such sites are heavily censored and dissenting opinions are usually removed or bowdlerised and those expressing them fairly quickly banned. If, like me, your practice is not to go back to a site where you have been banned, under another identity, that means you aren't there long enough to get frustrated with the opposition. It's so long since I was banned from the Guardian site, for instance, that I can't even remember what particular transgression against Official Truth I was banned for.

    So, such commenters feel accepted here. They are turned away from other venues, but find a “home” here.
     
    Well, yes and no. Yes, in the sense that they can be honest and don't have to self-censor, and in the sense that their own opinions are likely to be over-represented in the commenting population. But not in the sense that they find the above the line content of the website itself particularly attuned to their particular concerns, I don't think.

    Presumably the corollary of your comment was intended to be that therefore Unz is encouraging them when he ought not to do so, and that he should be held responsible for doing so.

    I don't agree with this. I object to the idea that a free speech advocate must abandon his principles precisely because the routine censorship in the rest of society means he ends up with a higher proportion of dissident opinion-holders on his site. The fault is with the censorious and illiberal state of the wider society, not the individual who tries in some small way to promote liberty.

    Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media

    If this is the starting point, your publication will be on the right. The MSM is liberal and to the left. There are not many leftist views that are excluded. This will leave your publication overwhelmingly right wing and publishing a few anti-war, anti-military industrial complex type articles along with libertarian pieces and some looney left stuff as balance. Thought that is excluded from the MSM is not a representative sample.

    I object to the idea that a free speech advocate must abandon his principles precisely because the routine censorship in the rest of society means he ends up with a higher proportion of dissident opinion-holders on his site.

    I consider myself to be a dissident opinion-holder, that doesn’t mean that I believe in the Jew-matrix. That doesn’t mean I have to follow all these Alice’s down their rabbit holes looking for the latest Jew-nection.

    My point is, and remains; you are running the risk of being identified as an anti-Semitic site. There is a point to Holocaust denial, just like there is a point to WWII history revision.

    Interesting comments here as to our motivations, I am not trying to change anyone’s mind either. I enjoy and benefit from informed dialogue and get it here from time to time.

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  153. @Randal
    Unz is clearly not anti-Semitic, nor is the website.

    The comment community here certainly seems to have more openly anti-Semitic, and "anti-Semitic", commenters than the norm, simply because such opinions and the people who express them are routinely censored and banned at most mainstream sites in the US sphere.

    It's an inevitable consequence of Unz himself presumably being a genuine believer in political freedom of speech, operating in a society which is not. (The many loudly declared commitments to free political speech in the societies of the modern US sphere are the equivalents of the many loud declarations in the old Soviet bloc of their societies' commitments to peace and the brotherhood of nations).

    Randal,

    The people who comment, who you refer to as “antisemitic”, are…what? Are they criticizing Jews for their DNA, their race, or are they criticizing Jewish behavior, which is an entirely different thing. I can criticize the behavior of some Irishmen; does that make me anti Irish?

    Behavior-wise it is unfortunately true that many Jews are tribal and cannot accept any criticism of any kind, particularly of their behavior. But if “antisemitism” means anything at all it means a hatred of a certain race, and I see little to none of that in the comments here. I can sleep comfortably in the knowledge that if I criticize certain behaviors of certain Jews I am not a hater of their entire race, which includes others who are not Jews. It would be contradictory: the treatment Israeli Jews mete out to their fellow Semites , the Palestinians, is an example of such a contradiction. Hopefully we can agree on that.

    That is why I have asked in other articles here for a definition of antisemitism from those who throw around that word with such gay abandon. It’s a convenient epithet to throw around but it confuses more than it clarifies.

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    Actually using these smear terms ("racist", "anti-Semite", "homophobe" etc) with any accuracy is almost impossible because they are (intentionally, most often, imo) used dishonestly with deliberately flexible meanings, precisely so that hatred can be falsely conflated with disapproval or disagreement and used to delegitimise it. Strictly speaking, they refer to (usually inferred) motivations rather than opinions anyway.

    However, I think it's fair to assume that many people commenting here do actually comply more or less with the more extreme meanings of the term as it is used in practice, so I use it in that sense without pinning it down any further (which would, as you suggest, be very difficult).

    I don't use the term with pejorative intent, by the way, just as I don't regard racist or homophobe as pejorative - many rational and reasonable opinions fall within the broader usages of all those terms. I use it here as merely a term denoting somebody holding a particular broad range of political views.

    All in all, it's very unsatisfactory from a communication point of view, but when people are dishonest (as those initiating and pushing the use of these terms mostly were and are, imo), that's the result.

  154. I’m not sure being balanced has ever been stated as a objective, has it? As you rightly point out, a broad collection of views excluded from the mainstream media will tend to be right-tilted unless it is deliberately slanted in order to try to achieve balance, because the mainstream is leftist (overwhelmingly socially liberal and internationalist). And surely Unz must be expected to be broadly on the political right anyway, since he has stood as a Republican candidate for office, and clearly isn’t part of the leftist RINO establishment party.

    I consider myself to be a dissident opinion-holder, that doesn’t mean that I believe in the Jew-matrix. That doesn’t mean I have to follow all these Alice’s down their rabbit holes looking for the latest Jew-nection.

    Nobody’s saying you have to agree with anyone here, are they? At any rate, nobody connected with the running of the site. Disagreeing with a commonly held viewpoint is nothing unusual for me, certainly, and I doubt it is for you, either.

    My point is, and remains; you are running the risk of being identified as an anti-Semitic site. There is a point to Holocaust denial, just like there is a point to WWII history revision.

    That’s a risk one has to be prepared to accept, imo, or give up any pretence of allowing free political discussion. It is a simple fact that anti-Semitic opinion is actively suppressed throughout the US sphere, as I pointed out above.

    Dissident opinions are disreputable, by definition.

    Interesting comments here as to our motivations, I am not trying to change anyone’s mind either. I enjoy and benefit from informed dialogue and get it here from time to time.

    Me, too (obviously). I also happen to think Unz publishes a lot of interesting thinkers and commentators – Buchanan, Paul, Sailer, Derbyshire, Cockburn, Linh Dinh, Karlin, Giraldi, Saker. I don’t always agree with what they write, but it’s usually interesting anyway.

    Though Sailer seems to have a bit of a grudge against my comments and often delays publishing them, which makes any kind of useful discussion difficult on his threads. There are two replies I made on his “Is Trump Good for the Jews?” thread which still haven’t been approved after two days, and I am genuinely at a loss to see why. They don’t seem particularly out of step with a lot of other stuff he lets through straight away.

    One of them was a reply to you, by the way. It went as follows:

    The Holocaust is one of the major obstacles, if not the major one, to the propagation of Nazism.

    So are you suggesting it’s a bit like the suggestion I seem to recall someone was making above the line here recently (Derbyshire?) that a lot of modern jewish attitudes stem from an anachronistic and paranoid fear of the cossacks riding again if they let up in the slightest degree?

    Because while a lot depends upon definitions and where you draw lines, I don’t see any Nazis anywhere with the slightest chance of getting into power. I see some fringe Nazi-style groups, and I see lots of patriotic or traditionalist groups falsely demonised as “Nazis”, and I see a few groups like the French Front National that have lingering traces of reasonably genuine anti-Semitism (as opposed to the false accusations of antisemitism that are infinitely more common, and are routinely directed at people who don’t actually hate jews but do disapprove of Israel or refuse to kowtow to the Holocaust idol).

    What I’m not seeing is anywhere where actual Nazis are anywhere near power, or even influence, even by your own apparent usage of Nazi as anyone you regard as antisemitic.

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    In re Sailer, I've had comments held up by him too, under Anon and under RSDB. I think he either has software that lets some commenters through automatically, or he just has a very odd reviewing procedure. The substance doesn't seem to have much to do with it; I have had inane comments accepted quickly and slightly more intelligent comments delayed, and vice versa.

    Sorry to divert my reply to an insignificant point in your essay. Otherwise I am largely in agreement.

    RSDB
    , @iffen
    bit of a grudge against my comments and often delays publishing them, which makes any kind of useful discussion difficult on his threads.

    I actually keep forgetting to not comment there. He holds many of my comments, good ones and bad. One thing for certain is that he does not like back and forth between commenters. I don't have a problem with that because it usually degenerates into a lot of name calling. (Not that I don't enjoy that sometimes.) I am pressed for time. I want to come back and comment on Holocaust denial.

    , @iffen
    Holocaust idol

    The political definition of terms like anti-Semite and Nazi are determined by which actions, ideas, constructions, catch-phrases, icons, shibboleths, etc. are used by the opposing sides. It is a matter of choosing sides, which is the main point political activity. If you don't want Nazi's on your side then you have to be able to identify them, even if they deny their status.

    Holocaust idol is an interesting construction.
  155. @schmenz
    Randal,

    The people who comment, who you refer to as "antisemitic", are...what? Are they criticizing Jews for their DNA, their race, or are they criticizing Jewish behavior, which is an entirely different thing. I can criticize the behavior of some Irishmen; does that make me anti Irish?

    Behavior-wise it is unfortunately true that many Jews are tribal and cannot accept any criticism of any kind, particularly of their behavior. But if "antisemitism" means anything at all it means a hatred of a certain race, and I see little to none of that in the comments here. I can sleep comfortably in the knowledge that if I criticize certain behaviors of certain Jews I am not a hater of their entire race, which includes others who are not Jews. It would be contradictory: the treatment Israeli Jews mete out to their fellow Semites , the Palestinians, is an example of such a contradiction. Hopefully we can agree on that.

    That is why I have asked in other articles here for a definition of antisemitism from those who throw around that word with such gay abandon. It's a convenient epithet to throw around but it confuses more than it clarifies.

    Actually using these smear terms (“racist”, “anti-Semite”, “homophobe” etc) with any accuracy is almost impossible because they are (intentionally, most often, imo) used dishonestly with deliberately flexible meanings, precisely so that hatred can be falsely conflated with disapproval or disagreement and used to delegitimise it. Strictly speaking, they refer to (usually inferred) motivations rather than opinions anyway.

    However, I think it’s fair to assume that many people commenting here do actually comply more or less with the more extreme meanings of the term as it is used in practice, so I use it in that sense without pinning it down any further (which would, as you suggest, be very difficult).

    I don’t use the term with pejorative intent, by the way, just as I don’t regard racist or homophobe as pejorative – many rational and reasonable opinions fall within the broader usages of all those terms. I use it here as merely a term denoting somebody holding a particular broad range of political views.

    All in all, it’s very unsatisfactory from a communication point of view, but when people are dishonest (as those initiating and pushing the use of these terms mostly were and are, imo), that’s the result.

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  156. @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    that Ron is a tool of the fiendish Zio octopus
     
    Some people inhabit the space in the Venn Diagram between those that need mental help and those that have access to the internet.

    Peace.

    Right you are, precisely the reason I once speculated that Ron’s webzine beyond its unique content serves equally well as a therapeutic device.

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  157. @Greasy William

    Do you think they hate Putin because he is doing harm to Russia?
     
    I don't think you understand how much the gay rights stuff and there being an independent counterweight to US/Western centered globalism bothers them. You probably have never been to America, but being anti gay here is considered the worse thing possible.

    I don't remember seeing any anti Russia stuff in the US press until the Ukraine crisis. That was when Putin suddenly became Satan. Before that, Russia was a partisan issue: the right were Russophobes and the Left wanted to turn over a new leaf with Russia. That all changed after the Ukraine crisis. Suddenly you started seeing pro Russia stuff from the right and the left overnight thought we were in Cold War II. Then came the Pussy Riot thing and after that we started seeing more reporting on the anti gay stuff. And then when Trump got on the scene things got REALLY bad. If there is any true Russophobia in the US media, as opposed to just Putinophobia, it didn't get big until Trump.

    Interestingly, the media is also getting more pro China since Trump. They were very anti China in the 90s.

    There is still a lot of genuine Russophobia on the right, but the left would be happy to have better relations with Russia if Russia dumped Putin, left the Ukraine, ended that anti establishment Russia Today channel and became pro gay.

    I don’t remember seeing any anti Russia stuff in the US press until the Ukraine crisis. That was when Putin suddenly became Satan.

    You do not remember much. Probably you were just not interested in Russia before 2014. But I remember much more. Let’s go chronologically, just a few notable cases during the past 25 years:
    1) The First Chechen War. Russia, still not utterly demonized, was being blamed for its imperialism toward freedom loving Chechen terrorists, kidnappers and throat-cutters. It was the first time after 1991 when Russian saw the hostility and hypocrisy of the West toward Russia. And around since then the word “liberal” in Russian became to mean “Russophobe”. Because the Russian liberal media have always parroted the Western view, and back then that media was very Russophobic, pro-Chechen and pro-Western.
    2) Serbia/Kosovo. Russian had a clear pro-Serbian position. The Russian involvement were disallowed at best.
    3) Yukos. Russia became to be openly depicted as totalitarian and Putin as a dictator, oppressing freedom loving innocent oligarchs.
    4) Georgia/Ossetia 2008. I remember very clearly that war, and the West literally was furious and Russophobic. Russophobia ran really amok. Even if later it has been admitted that it was Georgia which started the war, Russia still remains the aggressor in the public opinion, thanks to propaganda.
    5) The media hysteria about Magnitsky in 2010-12. Again dictator Putin in totalitarian Russia oppressed freedom loving Western tax evaders and their minions.
    6) The media hysteria about Pussy Riot (they were in 2012 actually, two years before the second Maidan).
    7) The media hysteria about the “oppression” of gays in about 2013.
    8) The media hysteria about the Sochi Olympics.
    9) The Russian support of Iran, Syria, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. was always depicted as a sign of inherent evilness of Russia. Russia was even listed as a part of the new “Axis of Evil” by the Pentagon.
    10) And only then, finally, the crisis of 2014.

    To sum that up at least for ten years before 2014 Russia has been variously blamed and demonized. It hasn’t started with Ukraine and even if Russia were not involved the Western establishment would find something else to blame and encircle Russia.
    And I’ve only told about the period after 1991, but I could go back down up to the the First Crimean War and the “Great Game” of the 19th century, which situation resonates very much with today.

    There is still a lot of genuine Russophobia on the right, but the left would be happy to have better relations with Russia if Russia dumped Putin,

    I doubt that. Instead of Putin there may come a man like Shoigu or Rogozin, and Russia would be even more hated. The West might like people such as Khodorkovsky or Kasparov but they’ll never come into power even with a Russian maidan.

    left the Ukraine

    It will never happen. Especially without Putin. Putin in fact is very friendly to Ukraine, he’s a genuine guarantee that Russia will no go further than the Crimea. Better to ask Washington to leave Texas and Alaska. Americans do not understand that Ukraine and Belarus for Russia are not some other neighboring countries like Mongolia or Finland, instead those countries are vitally important and inalienable from Russia. Their independence is a bitter twist of the history and Russians will always see them as separatists.

    ended that anti establishment Russia Today channel

    I do not know what is wrong with them, there is freedom of speech and no one has the right to shut up anybody, but I do not like them, either, they do not deserve that large amount of tax money they are getting now.

    and became pro gay.

    It won’t happen, either, at least for the upcoming 20 or 40 years. The Russian public does not have homophobia, and gays are not persecuted in Russia (it is a blatant lie), but people there will not accept LGBT and gay marriages as a norm. No way. One must brainwash them at least for 40 years to accept those things, as it has happened with very Catholic countries like Ireland and Spain. Catholic Lithuania and Poland still do not recognize gay marriage either, by the way.

    So it is not about Putin or LGBT at all. These are just excuses to justify the hate toward Russia.

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    It won’t happen, either, at least for the upcoming 20 or 40 years. The Russian public does not have homophobia, and gays are not persecuted in Russia (it is a blatant lie), but people there will not accept LGBT and gay marriages as a norm. No way. One must brainwash them at least for 40 years to accept those things, as it has happened with very Catholic countries like Ireland and Spain.
     
    Not just Catholic countries. How do you think we got to the position in Britain where homosexual behaviour is regarded as perfectly acceptable and talking about it in the way our fathers did is regarded as a hate crime and (laughably) "against core British values"?

    As for not persecuting people who choose to engage in homosexual activity, that's never going to be enough, for sure. Demands for "tolerance" of homosexuality in the west are actually demands for coerced approval. Tolerance, after all, assumes disapproval in the first place. You don't "tolerate" what you approve of. And disapproval is hatred.

    Your list by the way is great as far as it goes, but another aspect of US regime and establishment hostility to Russia was the treatment of Russia with utter contempt and disregard, during the period from Yeltsin to after Russia started to stand up for itself again in 2008. Remember Biden's famous "Russia will bend to US" interview in 2009?

    Remarkably, in just a couple of years Russia went from "withering" weakling with no future to threat to the entire world led by a new Hitler.

    , @Greasy William

    I do not know what is wrong with them, there is freedom of speech and no one has the right to shut up anybody
     
    That's not how the left sees it.

    It won’t happen, either, at least for the upcoming 20 or 40 years. The Russian public does not have homophobia, and gays are not persecuted in Russia (it is a blatant lie), but people there will not accept LGBT and gay marriages as a norm.
     
    Then the left will always hate Russia. I don't know what it's like in western Europe, but in America, not being pro gay is considered the most unforgivable evil imaginable.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    If people were to be honest anti-Russian propaganda has been fed to the West in huge quantities for more than a generation. Everything from James Bond and other Hollywood rubbish has always had those Russkies playing the evil baddies roles.

    It has been alternated with ME terrorists increasingly of late but always with them on the fringe whereas Russia conveniently stands in for organised evil on a grand scale. To say it is wearing thin is understatement of British proportions. It's gotten to the Point where Putin is blamed for everything but a burst pipe in winter. The boy who cried wolf comes to mind.

    I would hope Russia gets some of those freed civilians from Aleppo in front of the cameras and pronto and we'll see more lies evaporate like morning mist.
  158. @Greasy William

    You, of course, would be to the Zionist cause what Atilla the Hun was for the far Right in this country, mate.
     
    I'm not a Zionist. You know that.

    I also would suggest that, unlike Europe, the far right doesn't really exist in the US.

    Besides what’s wrong with a debate being entertaining
     
    Nothing at all. That's what I said: entertainment is the purpose of debate. I never feel like I am wasting my time in a debate because I have no interest in convincing others of my point of view. *I* already know that I am right about everything, I don't need to convince anybody else. This is doubly true when one takes into account that most of the commenters here are simply nuts.

    That Shamir article you were referring to was not very entertaining. I was right to complain about it.

    [I’m not a Zionist. You know that.]

    Fine you are a Torah Jew. So serious questions : What are your views on (1) Naftali Bennet and his party (2) The Neturei Karta and similar sects?

    You write so matter-of-factly about your positions held outrageous by most that it managed to confuse me until I read your last post more carefully.

    So it is as if you are certain of the future, laughing and entertaining yourself at the futility of views discordant to your own.

    Got it.

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    What are your views on (1) Naftali Bennet and his party
     
    I think Naftali is a bit of a clown. You disagree? I wouldn't go as far as to say I dislike Bennett, but I think he is pathetic. He is an Israeli version of a cuckservative. Religious Zionism in general is kind of a joke.

    The biggest difference between Haredim and Religious Zionism is not attitude towards the state, it is attitude towards other Jews. Religious Zionists believe that all Jews are brothers no matter what. Haredim believe that only Jews that agree with them are real Jews and the rest can go to Hell.

    By the way, I may be an extremist but I can assure you that your criticism of Jewish revenge operations against Arabs would evoke just as much disgust amongst your typical braindead Likudnik in Sderot or Beer Sheva as it does in me.


    (2) The Neturei Karta and similar sects?
     
    NK are lunatics and traitors. Satmar is as anti-Zionist as they are but you don't see Satmar cavorting with terrorists and neo nazis.

    Theologically, I disagree with the NK/Satmar position that establishing a state before the messiah comes is forbidden. I do agree with their refusal to recognize the secular state, however. The possibility of coexistence with the secular ended with Gush Katif.
  159. @Greasy William

    Do you think they hate Putin because he is doing harm to Russia?
     
    I don't think you understand how much the gay rights stuff and there being an independent counterweight to US/Western centered globalism bothers them. You probably have never been to America, but being anti gay here is considered the worse thing possible.

    I don't remember seeing any anti Russia stuff in the US press until the Ukraine crisis. That was when Putin suddenly became Satan. Before that, Russia was a partisan issue: the right were Russophobes and the Left wanted to turn over a new leaf with Russia. That all changed after the Ukraine crisis. Suddenly you started seeing pro Russia stuff from the right and the left overnight thought we were in Cold War II. Then came the Pussy Riot thing and after that we started seeing more reporting on the anti gay stuff. And then when Trump got on the scene things got REALLY bad. If there is any true Russophobia in the US media, as opposed to just Putinophobia, it didn't get big until Trump.

    Interestingly, the media is also getting more pro China since Trump. They were very anti China in the 90s.

    There is still a lot of genuine Russophobia on the right, but the left would be happy to have better relations with Russia if Russia dumped Putin, left the Ukraine, ended that anti establishment Russia Today channel and became pro gay.

    A very intersting article. It’s 2006. Now, though, it is unbeliavable any MSM would publish such a thing.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jun/30/comment.russia

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    @Randal
    I'm not sure being balanced has ever been stated as a objective, has it? As you rightly point out, a broad collection of views excluded from the mainstream media will tend to be right-tilted unless it is deliberately slanted in order to try to achieve balance, because the mainstream is leftist (overwhelmingly socially liberal and internationalist). And surely Unz must be expected to be broadly on the political right anyway, since he has stood as a Republican candidate for office, and clearly isn't part of the leftist RINO establishment party.

    I consider myself to be a dissident opinion-holder, that doesn’t mean that I believe in the Jew-matrix. That doesn’t mean I have to follow all these Alice’s down their rabbit holes looking for the latest Jew-nection.
     
    Nobody's saying you have to agree with anyone here, are they? At any rate, nobody connected with the running of the site. Disagreeing with a commonly held viewpoint is nothing unusual for me, certainly, and I doubt it is for you, either.

    My point is, and remains; you are running the risk of being identified as an anti-Semitic site. There is a point to Holocaust denial, just like there is a point to WWII history revision.
     
    That's a risk one has to be prepared to accept, imo, or give up any pretence of allowing free political discussion. It is a simple fact that anti-Semitic opinion is actively suppressed throughout the US sphere, as I pointed out above.

    Dissident opinions are disreputable, by definition.

    Interesting comments here as to our motivations, I am not trying to change anyone’s mind either. I enjoy and benefit from informed dialogue and get it here from time to time.
     
    Me, too (obviously). I also happen to think Unz publishes a lot of interesting thinkers and commentators - Buchanan, Paul, Sailer, Derbyshire, Cockburn, Linh Dinh, Karlin, Giraldi, Saker. I don't always agree with what they write, but it's usually interesting anyway.

    Though Sailer seems to have a bit of a grudge against my comments and often delays publishing them, which makes any kind of useful discussion difficult on his threads. There are two replies I made on his "Is Trump Good for the Jews?" thread which still haven't been approved after two days, and I am genuinely at a loss to see why. They don't seem particularly out of step with a lot of other stuff he lets through straight away.

    One of them was a reply to you, by the way. It went as follows:

    The Holocaust is one of the major obstacles, if not the major one, to the propagation of Nazism.
     
    So are you suggesting it’s a bit like the suggestion I seem to recall someone was making above the line here recently (Derbyshire?) that a lot of modern jewish attitudes stem from an anachronistic and paranoid fear of the cossacks riding again if they let up in the slightest degree?

    Because while a lot depends upon definitions and where you draw lines, I don’t see any Nazis anywhere with the slightest chance of getting into power. I see some fringe Nazi-style groups, and I see lots of patriotic or traditionalist groups falsely demonised as “Nazis”, and I see a few groups like the French Front National that have lingering traces of reasonably genuine anti-Semitism (as opposed to the false accusations of antisemitism that are infinitely more common, and are routinely directed at people who don’t actually hate jews but do disapprove of Israel or refuse to kowtow to the Holocaust idol).

    What I’m not seeing is anywhere where actual Nazis are anywhere near power, or even influence, even by your own apparent usage of Nazi as anyone you regard as antisemitic.

    In re Sailer, I’ve had comments held up by him too, under Anon and under RSDB. I think he either has software that lets some commenters through automatically, or he just has a very odd reviewing procedure. The substance doesn’t seem to have much to do with it; I have had inane comments accepted quickly and slightly more intelligent comments delayed, and vice versa.

    Sorry to divert my reply to an insignificant point in your essay. Otherwise I am largely in agreement.

    RSDB

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    It does seem a bit random, and you aren't the only person to say this about Sailer's system of approving posts in response to my making this point. In the end it's his blog and his prerogative, but it does make conversation difficult under his pieces, whereas I haven't had the same problem on any of the other authors' blogs I've posted to.
  161. @Boris N

    I don’t remember seeing any anti Russia stuff in the US press until the Ukraine crisis. That was when Putin suddenly became Satan.
     
    You do not remember much. Probably you were just not interested in Russia before 2014. But I remember much more. Let's go chronologically, just a few notable cases during the past 25 years:
    1) The First Chechen War. Russia, still not utterly demonized, was being blamed for its imperialism toward freedom loving Chechen terrorists, kidnappers and throat-cutters. It was the first time after 1991 when Russian saw the hostility and hypocrisy of the West toward Russia. And around since then the word "liberal" in Russian became to mean "Russophobe". Because the Russian liberal media have always parroted the Western view, and back then that media was very Russophobic, pro-Chechen and pro-Western.
    2) Serbia/Kosovo. Russian had a clear pro-Serbian position. The Russian involvement were disallowed at best.
    3) Yukos. Russia became to be openly depicted as totalitarian and Putin as a dictator, oppressing freedom loving innocent oligarchs.
    4) Georgia/Ossetia 2008. I remember very clearly that war, and the West literally was furious and Russophobic. Russophobia ran really amok. Even if later it has been admitted that it was Georgia which started the war, Russia still remains the aggressor in the public opinion, thanks to propaganda.
    5) The media hysteria about Magnitsky in 2010-12. Again dictator Putin in totalitarian Russia oppressed freedom loving Western tax evaders and their minions.
    6) The media hysteria about Pussy Riot (they were in 2012 actually, two years before the second Maidan).
    7) The media hysteria about the "oppression" of gays in about 2013.
    8) The media hysteria about the Sochi Olympics.
    9) The Russian support of Iran, Syria, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. was always depicted as a sign of inherent evilness of Russia. Russia was even listed as a part of the new "Axis of Evil" by the Pentagon.
    10) And only then, finally, the crisis of 2014.

    To sum that up at least for ten years before 2014 Russia has been variously blamed and demonized. It hasn't started with Ukraine and even if Russia were not involved the Western establishment would find something else to blame and encircle Russia.
    And I've only told about the period after 1991, but I could go back down up to the the First Crimean War and the "Great Game" of the 19th century, which situation resonates very much with today.

    There is still a lot of genuine Russophobia on the right, but the left would be happy to have better relations with Russia if Russia dumped Putin,
     
    I doubt that. Instead of Putin there may come a man like Shoigu or Rogozin, and Russia would be even more hated. The West might like people such as Khodorkovsky or Kasparov but they'll never come into power even with a Russian maidan.

    left the Ukraine
     
    It will never happen. Especially without Putin. Putin in fact is very friendly to Ukraine, he's a genuine guarantee that Russia will no go further than the Crimea. Better to ask Washington to leave Texas and Alaska. Americans do not understand that Ukraine and Belarus for Russia are not some other neighboring countries like Mongolia or Finland, instead those countries are vitally important and inalienable from Russia. Their independence is a bitter twist of the history and Russians will always see them as separatists.

    ended that anti establishment Russia Today channel
     
    I do not know what is wrong with them, there is freedom of speech and no one has the right to shut up anybody, but I do not like them, either, they do not deserve that large amount of tax money they are getting now.

    and became pro gay.
     
    It won't happen, either, at least for the upcoming 20 or 40 years. The Russian public does not have homophobia, and gays are not persecuted in Russia (it is a blatant lie), but people there will not accept LGBT and gay marriages as a norm. No way. One must brainwash them at least for 40 years to accept those things, as it has happened with very Catholic countries like Ireland and Spain. Catholic Lithuania and Poland still do not recognize gay marriage either, by the way.

    So it is not about Putin or LGBT at all. These are just excuses to justify the hate toward Russia.

    It won’t happen, either, at least for the upcoming 20 or 40 years. The Russian public does not have homophobia, and gays are not persecuted in Russia (it is a blatant lie), but people there will not accept LGBT and gay marriages as a norm. No way. One must brainwash them at least for 40 years to accept those things, as it has happened with very Catholic countries like Ireland and Spain.

    Not just Catholic countries. How do you think we got to the position in Britain where homosexual behaviour is regarded as perfectly acceptable and talking about it in the way our fathers did is regarded as a hate crime and (laughably) “against core British values”?

    As for not persecuting people who choose to engage in homosexual activity, that’s never going to be enough, for sure. Demands for “tolerance” of homosexuality in the west are actually demands for coerced approval. Tolerance, after all, assumes disapproval in the first place. You don’t “tolerate” what you approve of. And disapproval is hatred.

    Your list by the way is great as far as it goes, but another aspect of US regime and establishment hostility to Russia was the treatment of Russia with utter contempt and disregard, during the period from Yeltsin to after Russia started to stand up for itself again in 2008. Remember Biden’s famous “Russia will bend to US” interview in 2009?

    Remarkably, in just a couple of years Russia went from “withering” weakling with no future to threat to the entire world led by a new Hitler.

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  162. @Anon
    In re Sailer, I've had comments held up by him too, under Anon and under RSDB. I think he either has software that lets some commenters through automatically, or he just has a very odd reviewing procedure. The substance doesn't seem to have much to do with it; I have had inane comments accepted quickly and slightly more intelligent comments delayed, and vice versa.

    Sorry to divert my reply to an insignificant point in your essay. Otherwise I am largely in agreement.

    RSDB

    It does seem a bit random, and you aren’t the only person to say this about Sailer’s system of approving posts in response to my making this point. In the end it’s his blog and his prerogative, but it does make conversation difficult under his pieces, whereas I haven’t had the same problem on any of the other authors’ blogs I’ve posted to.

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    I agree, which is why I try not to post there that often, and indeed generally don't. Though, in his defense, I just checked and about half the comments on the whole site (in recent months; he actually has well over half of the total comment archive) go to Sailer, so if he moderates them himself, as I presume he does, it's understandable that his procedure could get a little haphazard.
  163. @Randal
    I'm not sure being balanced has ever been stated as a objective, has it? As you rightly point out, a broad collection of views excluded from the mainstream media will tend to be right-tilted unless it is deliberately slanted in order to try to achieve balance, because the mainstream is leftist (overwhelmingly socially liberal and internationalist). And surely Unz must be expected to be broadly on the political right anyway, since he has stood as a Republican candidate for office, and clearly isn't part of the leftist RINO establishment party.

    I consider myself to be a dissident opinion-holder, that doesn’t mean that I believe in the Jew-matrix. That doesn’t mean I have to follow all these Alice’s down their rabbit holes looking for the latest Jew-nection.
     
    Nobody's saying you have to agree with anyone here, are they? At any rate, nobody connected with the running of the site. Disagreeing with a commonly held viewpoint is nothing unusual for me, certainly, and I doubt it is for you, either.

    My point is, and remains; you are running the risk of being identified as an anti-Semitic site. There is a point to Holocaust denial, just like there is a point to WWII history revision.
     
    That's a risk one has to be prepared to accept, imo, or give up any pretence of allowing free political discussion. It is a simple fact that anti-Semitic opinion is actively suppressed throughout the US sphere, as I pointed out above.

    Dissident opinions are disreputable, by definition.

    Interesting comments here as to our motivations, I am not trying to change anyone’s mind either. I enjoy and benefit from informed dialogue and get it here from time to time.
     
    Me, too (obviously). I also happen to think Unz publishes a lot of interesting thinkers and commentators - Buchanan, Paul, Sailer, Derbyshire, Cockburn, Linh Dinh, Karlin, Giraldi, Saker. I don't always agree with what they write, but it's usually interesting anyway.

    Though Sailer seems to have a bit of a grudge against my comments and often delays publishing them, which makes any kind of useful discussion difficult on his threads. There are two replies I made on his "Is Trump Good for the Jews?" thread which still haven't been approved after two days, and I am genuinely at a loss to see why. They don't seem particularly out of step with a lot of other stuff he lets through straight away.

    One of them was a reply to you, by the way. It went as follows:

    The Holocaust is one of the major obstacles, if not the major one, to the propagation of Nazism.
     
    So are you suggesting it’s a bit like the suggestion I seem to recall someone was making above the line here recently (Derbyshire?) that a lot of modern jewish attitudes stem from an anachronistic and paranoid fear of the cossacks riding again if they let up in the slightest degree?

    Because while a lot depends upon definitions and where you draw lines, I don’t see any Nazis anywhere with the slightest chance of getting into power. I see some fringe Nazi-style groups, and I see lots of patriotic or traditionalist groups falsely demonised as “Nazis”, and I see a few groups like the French Front National that have lingering traces of reasonably genuine anti-Semitism (as opposed to the false accusations of antisemitism that are infinitely more common, and are routinely directed at people who don’t actually hate jews but do disapprove of Israel or refuse to kowtow to the Holocaust idol).

    What I’m not seeing is anywhere where actual Nazis are anywhere near power, or even influence, even by your own apparent usage of Nazi as anyone you regard as antisemitic.

    bit of a grudge against my comments and often delays publishing them, which makes any kind of useful discussion difficult on his threads.

    I actually keep forgetting to not comment there. He holds many of my comments, good ones and bad. One thing for certain is that he does not like back and forth between commenters. I don’t have a problem with that because it usually degenerates into a lot of name calling. (Not that I don’t enjoy that sometimes.) I am pressed for time. I want to come back and comment on Holocaust denial.

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  164. @Sam Shama
    [I’m not a Zionist. You know that.]

    Fine you are a Torah Jew. So serious questions : What are your views on (1) Naftali Bennet and his party (2) The Neturei Karta and similar sects?

    You write so matter-of-factly about your positions held outrageous by most that it managed to confuse me until I read your last post more carefully.

    So it is as if you are certain of the future, laughing and entertaining yourself at the futility of views discordant to your own.

    Got it.

    What are your views on (1) Naftali Bennet and his party

    I think Naftali is a bit of a clown. You disagree? I wouldn’t go as far as to say I dislike Bennett, but I think he is pathetic. He is an Israeli version of a cuckservative. Religious Zionism in general is kind of a joke.

    The biggest difference between Haredim and Religious Zionism is not attitude towards the state, it is attitude towards other Jews. Religious Zionists believe that all Jews are brothers no matter what. Haredim believe that only Jews that agree with them are real Jews and the rest can go to Hell.

    By the way, I may be an extremist but I can assure you that your criticism of Jewish revenge operations against Arabs would evoke just as much disgust amongst your typical braindead Likudnik in Sderot or Beer Sheva as it does in me.

    (2) The Neturei Karta and similar sects?

    NK are lunatics and traitors. Satmar is as anti-Zionist as they are but you don’t see Satmar cavorting with terrorists and neo nazis.

    Theologically, I disagree with the NK/Satmar position that establishing a state before the messiah comes is forbidden. I do agree with their refusal to recognize the secular state, however. The possibility of coexistence with the secular ended with Gush Katif.

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    Hey Greasy,

    I like the NK - they're good folks. I always go up and shake hands and banter words with them whenever I see them at Muslim conferences. They hand out candy (always kosher) to passing kids. I think their position makes sense from a traditional perspective. I mean, I'm no rabbinical scholar, but - what's Rambam's take on it? You don't see Jews pushing for a state (or even pushing for moving into that area - didn't they even have a separate kingdom in Abyssinia) throughout history; were all those rabbis wrong?

    I do agree with their refusal to recognize the secular state, however.
     
    So then who runs the state - a rabbi? This is sounding more and more like the concept of Vilayat-e-Faqih which is fairly young:
    http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t125/e2459

    Or are you talking about the revival of the Sanhedrin as a political structure?

    Peace.
  165. @Boris N

    I don’t remember seeing any anti Russia stuff in the US press until the Ukraine crisis. That was when Putin suddenly became Satan.
     
    You do not remember much. Probably you were just not interested in Russia before 2014. But I remember much more. Let's go chronologically, just a few notable cases during the past 25 years:
    1) The First Chechen War. Russia, still not utterly demonized, was being blamed for its imperialism toward freedom loving Chechen terrorists, kidnappers and throat-cutters. It was the first time after 1991 when Russian saw the hostility and hypocrisy of the West toward Russia. And around since then the word "liberal" in Russian became to mean "Russophobe". Because the Russian liberal media have always parroted the Western view, and back then that media was very Russophobic, pro-Chechen and pro-Western.
    2) Serbia/Kosovo. Russian had a clear pro-Serbian position. The Russian involvement were disallowed at best.
    3) Yukos. Russia became to be openly depicted as totalitarian and Putin as a dictator, oppressing freedom loving innocent oligarchs.
    4) Georgia/Ossetia 2008. I remember very clearly that war, and the West literally was furious and Russophobic. Russophobia ran really amok. Even if later it has been admitted that it was Georgia which started the war, Russia still remains the aggressor in the public opinion, thanks to propaganda.
    5) The media hysteria about Magnitsky in 2010-12. Again dictator Putin in totalitarian Russia oppressed freedom loving Western tax evaders and their minions.
    6) The media hysteria about Pussy Riot (they were in 2012 actually, two years before the second Maidan).
    7) The media hysteria about the "oppression" of gays in about 2013.
    8) The media hysteria about the Sochi Olympics.
    9) The Russian support of Iran, Syria, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. was always depicted as a sign of inherent evilness of Russia. Russia was even listed as a part of the new "Axis of Evil" by the Pentagon.
    10) And only then, finally, the crisis of 2014.

    To sum that up at least for ten years before 2014 Russia has been variously blamed and demonized. It hasn't started with Ukraine and even if Russia were not involved the Western establishment would find something else to blame and encircle Russia.
    And I've only told about the period after 1991, but I could go back down up to the the First Crimean War and the "Great Game" of the 19th century, which situation resonates very much with today.

    There is still a lot of genuine Russophobia on the right, but the left would be happy to have better relations with Russia if Russia dumped Putin,
     
    I doubt that. Instead of Putin there may come a man like Shoigu or Rogozin, and Russia would be even more hated. The West might like people such as Khodorkovsky or Kasparov but they'll never come into power even with a Russian maidan.

    left the Ukraine
     
    It will never happen. Especially without Putin. Putin in fact is very friendly to Ukraine, he's a genuine guarantee that Russia will no go further than the Crimea. Better to ask Washington to leave Texas and Alaska. Americans do not understand that Ukraine and Belarus for Russia are not some other neighboring countries like Mongolia or Finland, instead those countries are vitally important and inalienable from Russia. Their independence is a bitter twist of the history and Russians will always see them as separatists.

    ended that anti establishment Russia Today channel
     
    I do not know what is wrong with them, there is freedom of speech and no one has the right to shut up anybody, but I do not like them, either, they do not deserve that large amount of tax money they are getting now.

    and became pro gay.
     
    It won't happen, either, at least for the upcoming 20 or 40 years. The Russian public does not have homophobia, and gays are not persecuted in Russia (it is a blatant lie), but people there will not accept LGBT and gay marriages as a norm. No way. One must brainwash them at least for 40 years to accept those things, as it has happened with very Catholic countries like Ireland and Spain. Catholic Lithuania and Poland still do not recognize gay marriage either, by the way.

    So it is not about Putin or LGBT at all. These are just excuses to justify the hate toward Russia.

    I do not know what is wrong with them, there is freedom of speech and no one has the right to shut up anybody

    That’s not how the left sees it.

    It won’t happen, either, at least for the upcoming 20 or 40 years. The Russian public does not have homophobia, and gays are not persecuted in Russia (it is a blatant lie), but people there will not accept LGBT and gay marriages as a norm.

    Then the left will always hate Russia. I don’t know what it’s like in western Europe, but in America, not being pro gay is considered the most unforgivable evil imaginable.

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    Then the left will always hate Russia. I don’t know what it’s like in western Europe, but in America, not being pro gay is considered the most unforgivable evil imaginable.
     
    It does not make sense. Why don't they, then, hate their friends and allies like Poland. Lithuania (SSM is forbidden by their constitutions), or Saudia, Qatar, etc. (where LGBT are jailed or killed)?
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Same-sex_marriage_map_Europe_detailed.svg
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:World_laws_pertaining_to_homosexual_relationships_and_expression.svg

    Lithuania even has laws concerning LGBT that are very similar to Russia's!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Lithuania

    No, this issue looks nothing than a justification for hate toward Russia.

    BTW, the poll how the Russian public sees that issue. Russians are strongly against. Nothing to do with the regime. If, after Putin, there be a referendum Russians would most likely vote against SSM. How about that? Will the haters say it's not democracy again?
    http://wciom.com/index.php?id=61&uid=1129
  166. in America, not being pro gay is considered the most unforgivable evil imaginable

    The second most unforgivable evil imaginable, clearly.

    Or will we soon be seeing a “Homophobia Awareness Bill” flying through the Senate and getting passed unanimously?

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  167. Or will we soon be seeing a “Homophobia Awareness Bill” flying through the Senate and getting passed unanimously?

    Regardless of your delusions, you are not expected to be pro Jewish in the USA. You can’t openly criticize Jews, but you can criticize Israel. Keith Ellison is about to be elected to head the DNC despite being an Israel critic. Former SoS James Baker openly hates Israel and is still highly regarded by the establishment wings of both parties.

    Not being explicitly pro gay, however, is not allowed and is a potential career killer. It is not enough to not criticize gays, you need to actively praise them.

    Judeophobes live in an alternate reality.

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  168. @Boris N

    I don’t remember seeing any anti Russia stuff in the US press until the Ukraine crisis. That was when Putin suddenly became Satan.
     
    You do not remember much. Probably you were just not interested in Russia before 2014. But I remember much more. Let's go chronologically, just a few notable cases during the past 25 years:
    1) The First Chechen War. Russia, still not utterly demonized, was being blamed for its imperialism toward freedom loving Chechen terrorists, kidnappers and throat-cutters. It was the first time after 1991 when Russian saw the hostility and hypocrisy of the West toward Russia. And around since then the word "liberal" in Russian became to mean "Russophobe". Because the Russian liberal media have always parroted the Western view, and back then that media was very Russophobic, pro-Chechen and pro-Western.
    2) Serbia/Kosovo. Russian had a clear pro-Serbian position. The Russian involvement were disallowed at best.
    3) Yukos. Russia became to be openly depicted as totalitarian and Putin as a dictator, oppressing freedom loving innocent oligarchs.
    4) Georgia/Ossetia 2008. I remember very clearly that war, and the West literally was furious and Russophobic. Russophobia ran really amok. Even if later it has been admitted that it was Georgia which started the war, Russia still remains the aggressor in the public opinion, thanks to propaganda.
    5) The media hysteria about Magnitsky in 2010-12. Again dictator Putin in totalitarian Russia oppressed freedom loving Western tax evaders and their minions.
    6) The media hysteria about Pussy Riot (they were in 2012 actually, two years before the second Maidan).
    7) The media hysteria about the "oppression" of gays in about 2013.
    8) The media hysteria about the Sochi Olympics.
    9) The Russian support of Iran, Syria, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. was always depicted as a sign of inherent evilness of Russia. Russia was even listed as a part of the new "Axis of Evil" by the Pentagon.
    10) And only then, finally, the crisis of 2014.

    To sum that up at least for ten years before 2014 Russia has been variously blamed and demonized. It hasn't started with Ukraine and even if Russia were not involved the Western establishment would find something else to blame and encircle Russia.
    And I've only told about the period after 1991, but I could go back down up to the the First Crimean War and the "Great Game" of the 19th century, which situation resonates very much with today.

    There is still a lot of genuine Russophobia on the right, but the left would be happy to have better relations with Russia if Russia dumped Putin,
     
    I doubt that. Instead of Putin there may come a man like Shoigu or Rogozin, and Russia would be even more hated. The West might like people such as Khodorkovsky or Kasparov but they'll never come into power even with a Russian maidan.

    left the Ukraine
     
    It will never happen. Especially without Putin. Putin in fact is very friendly to Ukraine, he's a genuine guarantee that Russia will no go further than the Crimea. Better to ask Washington to leave Texas and Alaska. Americans do not understand that Ukraine and Belarus for Russia are not some other neighboring countries like Mongolia or Finland, instead those countries are vitally important and inalienable from Russia. Their independence is a bitter twist of the history and Russians will always see them as separatists.

    ended that anti establishment Russia Today channel
     
    I do not know what is wrong with them, there is freedom of speech and no one has the right to shut up anybody, but I do not like them, either, they do not deserve that large amount of tax money they are getting now.

    and became pro gay.
     
    It won't happen, either, at least for the upcoming 20 or 40 years. The Russian public does not have homophobia, and gays are not persecuted in Russia (it is a blatant lie), but people there will not accept LGBT and gay marriages as a norm. No way. One must brainwash them at least for 40 years to accept those things, as it has happened with very Catholic countries like Ireland and Spain. Catholic Lithuania and Poland still do not recognize gay marriage either, by the way.

    So it is not about Putin or LGBT at all. These are just excuses to justify the hate toward Russia.

    If people were to be honest anti-Russian propaganda has been fed to the West in huge quantities for more than a generation. Everything from James Bond and other Hollywood rubbish has always had those Russkies playing the evil baddies roles.

    It has been alternated with ME terrorists increasingly of late but always with them on the fringe whereas Russia conveniently stands in for organised evil on a grand scale. To say it is wearing thin is understatement of British proportions. It’s gotten to the Point where Putin is blamed for everything but a burst pipe in winter. The boy who cried wolf comes to mind.

    I would hope Russia gets some of those freed civilians from Aleppo in front of the cameras and pronto and we’ll see more lies evaporate like morning mist.

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  169. @Greasy William

    Or will we soon be seeing a “Homophobia Awareness Bill” flying through the Senate and getting passed unanimously?
     
    Regardless of your delusions, you are not expected to be pro Jewish in the USA. You can't openly criticize Jews, but you can criticize Israel. Keith Ellison is about to be elected to head the DNC despite being an Israel critic. Former SoS James Baker openly hates Israel and is still highly regarded by the establishment wings of both parties.

    Not being explicitly pro gay, however, is not allowed and is a potential career killer. It is not enough to not criticize gays, you need to actively praise them.

    Judeophobes live in an alternate reality.
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    Look, I am strongly against this bill, but there is a difference between what the law allows and what culture allows.

    The reality is that American culture does allow some criticism of Israel. Rhianna, George Clooney and Selena Gomez are all open supporters of the Palestinian cause and it hasn't hurt their careers at all. Plenty of anti Israel people have worked in the State Department. Jimmy Carter is extremely anti Israel and is still held in high esteem.

    In contrast, American culture does not allow anything except being 100 percent pro gay. If you are not down with gay marriage, your career is at risk if you are a public figure or business person.
  170. @Greasy William

    What are your views on (1) Naftali Bennet and his party
     
    I think Naftali is a bit of a clown. You disagree? I wouldn't go as far as to say I dislike Bennett, but I think he is pathetic. He is an Israeli version of a cuckservative. Religious Zionism in general is kind of a joke.

    The biggest difference between Haredim and Religious Zionism is not attitude towards the state, it is attitude towards other Jews. Religious Zionists believe that all Jews are brothers no matter what. Haredim believe that only Jews that agree with them are real Jews and the rest can go to Hell.

    By the way, I may be an extremist but I can assure you that your criticism of Jewish revenge operations against Arabs would evoke just as much disgust amongst your typical braindead Likudnik in Sderot or Beer Sheva as it does in me.


    (2) The Neturei Karta and similar sects?
     
    NK are lunatics and traitors. Satmar is as anti-Zionist as they are but you don't see Satmar cavorting with terrorists and neo nazis.

    Theologically, I disagree with the NK/Satmar position that establishing a state before the messiah comes is forbidden. I do agree with their refusal to recognize the secular state, however. The possibility of coexistence with the secular ended with Gush Katif.

    Hey Greasy,

    I like the NK – they’re good folks. I always go up and shake hands and banter words with them whenever I see them at Muslim conferences. They hand out candy (always kosher) to passing kids. I think their position makes sense from a traditional perspective. I mean, I’m no rabbinical scholar, but – what’s Rambam’s take on it? You don’t see Jews pushing for a state (or even pushing for moving into that area – didn’t they even have a separate kingdom in Abyssinia) throughout history; were all those rabbis wrong?

    I do agree with their refusal to recognize the secular state, however.

    So then who runs the state – a rabbi? This is sounding more and more like the concept of Vilayat-e-Faqih which is fairly young:
    http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t125/e2459

    Or are you talking about the revival of the Sanhedrin as a political structure?

    Peace.

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  171. I like the NK – they’re good folks

    Good folks do not suck up to Neo Nazis like Jobbik and Golden Dawn.

    My problem with NK is not their theology, their theology is no different than Satmar. But cavorting with Nazis is going way too far. There is a reason that even Satmar can’t stand them.

    The only thing I will say in NK’s defense is that their rank and file don’t seems to be as insane as their leaders. Talking to them one on one they usually seem okay.

    Or are you talking about the revival of the Sanhedrin as a political structure?

    Ironically, my model for an ideal government comes from Turkey: the government is ostensibly secular but run by men of faith. This is something totally different than the Muslim Brotherhood who say that Islam needs to be the source of all legislation.

    The State also needs to be based on the Torah which means that any law that violates the Torah (by holding gay pride parades in downtown Jerusalem for example) need to be veto’d by some type of rabbinical court. So what I am proposing is kindof a hybrid between a nominally secular government and a theocracy.

    I don’t feel the need to go around chopping the heads off of people for eating non Kosher food or anything. But that’s just me. I know several people who *do* in fact feel that need.

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    • Replies: @Randal

    the government is ostensibly secular but run by men of faith
     
    This is essentially also the modern Roman Catholic model for governance, surely?
    , @Talha
    Hey Greasy,

    Yeah, I don't know about NK's leadership, but that kind of behavior would also upset me if Muslims were palling around neo-Nazis.

    Actually what you are proposing is closer to the Pakistani model (sans massive corruption). They have a Shariah Court (and Shariah Appellate Court) which are composed of both regular judges and credentialed ulema and these review the laws passed by the secular government and validates/invalidates them and passes it to the executive to rectify.

    They also help keep some of the local court rulings in check:
    http://www.dawn.com/news/53411

    Or even Malaysia.

    Peace.
  172. @Randal

    Look, I am strongly against this bill, but there is a difference between what the law allows and what culture allows.

    The reality is that American culture does allow some criticism of Israel. Rhianna, George Clooney and Selena Gomez are all open supporters of the Palestinian cause and it hasn’t hurt their careers at all. Plenty of anti Israel people have worked in the State Department. Jimmy Carter is extremely anti Israel and is still held in high esteem.

    In contrast, American culture does not allow anything except being 100 percent pro gay. If you are not down with gay marriage, your career is at risk if you are a public figure or business person.

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    • Replies: @Randal

    Look, I am strongly against this bill, but there is a difference between what the law allows and what culture allows.
     
    I hear you, thus far, but what you've done next is to shift the ground from criticising jews to criticising Israel, and they are two very, very different things, even if there is clearly a point where they meet.

    You asserted that "not being pro gay is considered the most unforgivable evil imaginable" in the US. I recognise the truth in that point, but I also recognise that in fact it is far more dangerous politically and socially to criticise jews or jewish people than homosexuals (as I noted above, I speak from direct personal experience of having criticised both). You don't recognise this, presumably because, for obvious and understandable reasons, you are hypersensitive to any criticism of jews and Jewishness and tend to discount the protections and powers "your side" on this issue has. That's just human nature, and the point is that homosexual behaviour advocates do exactly the same thing as you are doing. They will deny until they are blue in the face that homosexual behaviour has any privileged or protected position in US sphere cultures, and point to all sorts of slights and opponents, real and imagined, to justify their insistence on their own superior level of victimhood.

    Part of the reason for the difference, of course, is that both groups have their zealots but jewish lobbyists (and this is certainly one area where jewish issues and Israel do meet) do have access to immense military industrial funding that homosexual activists do not, because there is no homosexual "nationalist" state in an ongoing state of military confrontation, with massive US backing. That buys an awful lot of "influence", in Congress and in the media.

    If you are not down with gay marriage, your career is at risk if you are a public figure or business person.
     
    This is certainly true (but as discussed above the same would be true of expressing any anti-Semitism, or racism for that matter), and it's a huge, huge cultural problem in the societies of the US sphere, both because it's reflective of an increasing intolerance of dissent and because it is requiring adherence to what is fundamentally a lie.
  173. Dear Mr Giraldi,

    I know this is perhaps off topic, but has there been any study made as to the “carbon footprint” created by the Iraq war fiasco ?

    Many Americans are now aware that this war ,based on wholly fraudulent premises, extracted over five trillion dollars from our nations balance sheet and our good taxpayers pockets.(a staggering sum)

    Many Americans are also aware that this utter catastrophe nearly quadrupled the price of heating oil and gasoline for every American citizen for over a four year period.

    Many Americans are aware , too,that perhaps in excess of one million Iraqi people, who never attacked us, have been killed …. millions more wounded, and still millions more, forced into exile, having to abandon their homes, and flee, for their lives, their cities and villages.

    Many Americans are not aware, thanks to our wholly fraudulent media, that Iraq is not a free and vibrant democracy as was “foretold”( by the great and honorable proponents of the war), but a burnt and smoldering husk of a nation, where chaos , death and anarchy have become the new normal.

    It is, by every definition, a failed state.

    But nobody, to this date,(that I know of) has made a study of the tonnages of fossil fuel used to prosecute this war,… And nobody , for that matter,has made a study of the effect of the tons of ordnance expended on (lets say) our global temperature, or the amount of toxic pollution generated from the dozens upon dozens of burning oil wells, or burning homes and buildings….

    Is there a study somewhere,(anywhere) on the amount of pollution generated from “their” Iraq war fiasco?

    Maybe the Office of Special Plans still has one in their backroom ,somewhere ?

    Wouldn’t our venerable media ,so concerned about “global warming”,and which deceived us into this conflict with such resolute mendacity,
    be concerned about the reams upon reams of pollutants it created ?

    Wouldn’t they ?

    Or does the amount of “toxicity” generated from a war based on lies get a free pass… in the exact same way those who lied us into it, do ?

    Come to think of it, if any of the leading proponents of the Iraq war catastrophe had even one ounce of integrity, (and I am including all the media moguls, lobbying groups, billionaires, oligarchs, and government officials) they would surrender themselves and all their assets to the FBI, and march themselves, voluntarily, into the nearest federal penitentiary.

    Do they really believe they deserve to be any place else ?

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  174. Fake News is:

    1. Iraq has WMDs
    2. Iran has Nuclear Weapons
    3. CIA says Russia hacked US elections (CIA also said Iraq had WMDs)
    4. Russia getting ready to attack Ukerain
    5. Russia attacked Crimea
    6. Syrian government used Serin gas
    7. There are moderate rebels (terrorists)

    and these just a few of the MSM headlines.

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    More FAKE News:

    8. Assad butchers his own people
    9. The U.S. has not been actively working to oust Assad for over a decade

    But some of us are fighting back:
    Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard Says
    The U.S. Government Is Directly Funding ISIS And Al Qaeda!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qdf2WH4g9k

    I really love Russia Insider's headline:
    Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Smokes CNN Shill: 'US Is Funding Terrorists' in Syria
    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/rep-tulsi-gabbard-smokes-cnn-shill-us-funding-terrorists-syria-video/ri18105
    "Ms. Gabbard appeared on the Chutzpah News Network (CNN)"
  175. @Greasy William
    Look, I am strongly against this bill, but there is a difference between what the law allows and what culture allows.

    The reality is that American culture does allow some criticism of Israel. Rhianna, George Clooney and Selena Gomez are all open supporters of the Palestinian cause and it hasn't hurt their careers at all. Plenty of anti Israel people have worked in the State Department. Jimmy Carter is extremely anti Israel and is still held in high esteem.

    In contrast, American culture does not allow anything except being 100 percent pro gay. If you are not down with gay marriage, your career is at risk if you are a public figure or business person.

    Look, I am strongly against this bill, but there is a difference between what the law allows and what culture allows.

    I hear you, thus far, but what you’ve done next is to shift the ground from criticising jews to criticising Israel, and they are two very, very different things, even if there is clearly a point where they meet.

    You asserted that “not being pro gay is considered the most unforgivable evil imaginable” in the US. I recognise the truth in that point, but I also recognise that in fact it is far more dangerous politically and socially to criticise jews or jewish people than homosexuals (as I noted above, I speak from direct personal experience of having criticised both). You don’t recognise this, presumably because, for obvious and understandable reasons, you are hypersensitive to any criticism of jews and Jewishness and tend to discount the protections and powers “your side” on this issue has. That’s just human nature, and the point is that homosexual behaviour advocates do exactly the same thing as you are doing. They will deny until they are blue in the face that homosexual behaviour has any privileged or protected position in US sphere cultures, and point to all sorts of slights and opponents, real and imagined, to justify their insistence on their own superior level of victimhood.

    Part of the reason for the difference, of course, is that both groups have their zealots but jewish lobbyists (and this is certainly one area where jewish issues and Israel do meet) do have access to immense military industrial funding that homosexual activists do not, because there is no homosexual “nationalist” state in an ongoing state of military confrontation, with massive US backing. That buys an awful lot of “influence”, in Congress and in the media.

    If you are not down with gay marriage, your career is at risk if you are a public figure or business person.

    This is certainly true (but as discussed above the same would be true of expressing any anti-Semitism, or racism for that matter), and it’s a huge, huge cultural problem in the societies of the US sphere, both because it’s reflective of an increasing intolerance of dissent and because it is requiring adherence to what is fundamentally a lie.

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    It is reported that there exists a hugely powerful 'gay mafia' in Hollywood.
  176. @Greasy William

    I like the NK – they’re good folks
     
    Good folks do not suck up to Neo Nazis like Jobbik and Golden Dawn.

    My problem with NK is not their theology, their theology is no different than Satmar. But cavorting with Nazis is going way too far. There is a reason that even Satmar can't stand them.

    The only thing I will say in NK's defense is that their rank and file don't seems to be as insane as their leaders. Talking to them one on one they usually seem okay.

    Or are you talking about the revival of the Sanhedrin as a political structure?
     
    Ironically, my model for an ideal government comes from Turkey: the government is ostensibly secular but run by men of faith. This is something totally different than the Muslim Brotherhood who say that Islam needs to be the source of all legislation.

    The State also needs to be based on the Torah which means that any law that violates the Torah (by holding gay pride parades in downtown Jerusalem for example) need to be veto'd by some type of rabbinical court. So what I am proposing is kindof a hybrid between a nominally secular government and a theocracy.

    I don't feel the need to go around chopping the heads off of people for eating non Kosher food or anything. But that's just me. I know several people who *do* in fact feel that need.

    the government is ostensibly secular but run by men of faith

    This is essentially also the modern Roman Catholic model for governance, surely?

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  177. @Greasy William

    I like the NK – they’re good folks
     
    Good folks do not suck up to Neo Nazis like Jobbik and Golden Dawn.

    My problem with NK is not their theology, their theology is no different than Satmar. But cavorting with Nazis is going way too far. There is a reason that even Satmar can't stand them.

    The only thing I will say in NK's defense is that their rank and file don't seems to be as insane as their leaders. Talking to them one on one they usually seem okay.

    Or are you talking about the revival of the Sanhedrin as a political structure?
     
    Ironically, my model for an ideal government comes from Turkey: the government is ostensibly secular but run by men of faith. This is something totally different than the Muslim Brotherhood who say that Islam needs to be the source of all legislation.

    The State also needs to be based on the Torah which means that any law that violates the Torah (by holding gay pride parades in downtown Jerusalem for example) need to be veto'd by some type of rabbinical court. So what I am proposing is kindof a hybrid between a nominally secular government and a theocracy.

    I don't feel the need to go around chopping the heads off of people for eating non Kosher food or anything. But that's just me. I know several people who *do* in fact feel that need.

    Hey Greasy,

    Yeah, I don’t know about NK’s leadership, but that kind of behavior would also upset me if Muslims were palling around neo-Nazis.

    Actually what you are proposing is closer to the Pakistani model (sans massive corruption). They have a Shariah Court (and Shariah Appellate Court) which are composed of both regular judges and credentialed ulema and these review the laws passed by the secular government and validates/invalidates them and passes it to the executive to rectify.

    They also help keep some of the local court rulings in check:
    http://www.dawn.com/news/53411

    Or even Malaysia.

    Peace.

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  178. @MEexpert
    Fake News is:

    1. Iraq has WMDs
    2. Iran has Nuclear Weapons
    3. CIA says Russia hacked US elections (CIA also said Iraq had WMDs)
    4. Russia getting ready to attack Ukerain
    5. Russia attacked Crimea
    6. Syrian government used Serin gas
    7. There are moderate rebels (terrorists)

    and these just a few of the MSM headlines.

    More FAKE News:

    8. Assad butchers his own people
    9. The U.S. has not been actively working to oust Assad for over a decade

    But some of us are fighting back:
    Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard Says
    The U.S. Government Is Directly Funding ISIS And Al Qaeda!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qdf2WH4g9k

    I really love Russia Insider’s headline:
    Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Smokes CNN Shill: ‘US Is Funding Terrorists’ in Syria
    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/rep-tulsi-gabbard-smokes-cnn-shill-us-funding-terrorists-syria-video/ri18105
    “Ms. Gabbard appeared on the Chutzpah News Network (CNN)”

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    My contribution:

    10. Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital
    11. The Israeli attack of the USS Liberty was a case of mistaken identity
  179. @Randal

    Look, I am strongly against this bill, but there is a difference between what the law allows and what culture allows.
     
    I hear you, thus far, but what you've done next is to shift the ground from criticising jews to criticising Israel, and they are two very, very different things, even if there is clearly a point where they meet.

    You asserted that "not being pro gay is considered the most unforgivable evil imaginable" in the US. I recognise the truth in that point, but I also recognise that in fact it is far more dangerous politically and socially to criticise jews or jewish people than homosexuals (as I noted above, I speak from direct personal experience of having criticised both). You don't recognise this, presumably because, for obvious and understandable reasons, you are hypersensitive to any criticism of jews and Jewishness and tend to discount the protections and powers "your side" on this issue has. That's just human nature, and the point is that homosexual behaviour advocates do exactly the same thing as you are doing. They will deny until they are blue in the face that homosexual behaviour has any privileged or protected position in US sphere cultures, and point to all sorts of slights and opponents, real and imagined, to justify their insistence on their own superior level of victimhood.

    Part of the reason for the difference, of course, is that both groups have their zealots but jewish lobbyists (and this is certainly one area where jewish issues and Israel do meet) do have access to immense military industrial funding that homosexual activists do not, because there is no homosexual "nationalist" state in an ongoing state of military confrontation, with massive US backing. That buys an awful lot of "influence", in Congress and in the media.

    If you are not down with gay marriage, your career is at risk if you are a public figure or business person.
     
    This is certainly true (but as discussed above the same would be true of expressing any anti-Semitism, or racism for that matter), and it's a huge, huge cultural problem in the societies of the US sphere, both because it's reflective of an increasing intolerance of dissent and because it is requiring adherence to what is fundamentally a lie.

    It is reported that there exists a hugely powerful ‘gay mafia’ in Hollywood.

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    I've heard that, and Hollywood's output certainly gives no reason to doubt it.

    Was it ever so powerful that a US president complained about it?
  180. @NoseytheDuke
    It is reported that there exists a hugely powerful 'gay mafia' in Hollywood.

    I’ve heard that, and Hollywood’s output certainly gives no reason to doubt it.

    Was it ever so powerful that a US president complained about it?

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    Only in the sense that it actually functions as an arm of the same entity.
  181. @RobinG
    More FAKE News:

    8. Assad butchers his own people
    9. The U.S. has not been actively working to oust Assad for over a decade

    But some of us are fighting back:
    Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard Says
    The U.S. Government Is Directly Funding ISIS And Al Qaeda!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qdf2WH4g9k

    I really love Russia Insider's headline:
    Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Smokes CNN Shill: 'US Is Funding Terrorists' in Syria
    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/rep-tulsi-gabbard-smokes-cnn-shill-us-funding-terrorists-syria-video/ri18105
    "Ms. Gabbard appeared on the Chutzpah News Network (CNN)"

    My contribution:

    10. Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital
    11. The Israeli attack of the USS Liberty was a case of mistaken identity

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  182. @Randal
    I've heard that, and Hollywood's output certainly gives no reason to doubt it.

    Was it ever so powerful that a US president complained about it?

    Only in the sense that it actually functions as an arm of the same entity.

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  183. @Greasy William

    [My impression is that you give as good as you get here, which can reasonably be described as the lion’s den as far as your position is concerned.]
     
    He's right. You manage to offend both pro and anti Jewish people with your ideas.


    Quite. Yet it’s a dull business for the most part, humour rarely in evidence and often I’ve wondered whether I should persist
     
    Then you aren't here for the right reasons. Debate to entertain yourself, not to change minds. Definitely don't try to change opinions of people on Giraldi comment threads where a solid 75% of the commenters are literally mentally ill.

    [Definitely don’t try to change opinions of people on Giraldi comment threads where a solid 75% of the commenters are literally mentally ill.]

    I am beginning to agree with your every word in that sentence after having just gone through a thoroughly bizarre discussion on another thread. My interlocutor there clearly believed he was making valid points, never mind he hadn’t any direct or personal experience of the situation……..

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    • Replies: @Art
    To funny - one of Mr. Shama's Jew owned MSM poodles, the disgraced Brain Williams, is four square against “fake news.”

    LOL

    Peace --- Art

    Disgraced ex-NBC ‘fake news’ journalist Brian Williams on crusade against false reporting

    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2016/12/09/disgraced-ex-nbc-fake-news-journalist-brian-williams-on-crusade-against-false-reporting/
     
    p.s. Hmm - Is the cleverness required to lie and lie and lie - genetic?

    p.s. Maybe there is a truth gene and the Judaics just do not have it?

    p.s. There should be a HBD study to see what is so deficiently wrong with the Judaics.
  184. @Randal
    I'm not sure being balanced has ever been stated as a objective, has it? As you rightly point out, a broad collection of views excluded from the mainstream media will tend to be right-tilted unless it is deliberately slanted in order to try to achieve balance, because the mainstream is leftist (overwhelmingly socially liberal and internationalist). And surely Unz must be expected to be broadly on the political right anyway, since he has stood as a Republican candidate for office, and clearly isn't part of the leftist RINO establishment party.

    I consider myself to be a dissident opinion-holder, that doesn’t mean that I believe in the Jew-matrix. That doesn’t mean I have to follow all these Alice’s down their rabbit holes looking for the latest Jew-nection.
     
    Nobody's saying you have to agree with anyone here, are they? At any rate, nobody connected with the running of the site. Disagreeing with a commonly held viewpoint is nothing unusual for me, certainly, and I doubt it is for you, either.

    My point is, and remains; you are running the risk of being identified as an anti-Semitic site. There is a point to Holocaust denial, just like there is a point to WWII history revision.
     
    That's a risk one has to be prepared to accept, imo, or give up any pretence of allowing free political discussion. It is a simple fact that anti-Semitic opinion is actively suppressed throughout the US sphere, as I pointed out above.

    Dissident opinions are disreputable, by definition.

    Interesting comments here as to our motivations, I am not trying to change anyone’s mind either. I enjoy and benefit from informed dialogue and get it here from time to time.
     
    Me, too (obviously). I also happen to think Unz publishes a lot of interesting thinkers and commentators - Buchanan, Paul, Sailer, Derbyshire, Cockburn, Linh Dinh, Karlin, Giraldi, Saker. I don't always agree with what they write, but it's usually interesting anyway.

    Though Sailer seems to have a bit of a grudge against my comments and often delays publishing them, which makes any kind of useful discussion difficult on his threads. There are two replies I made on his "Is Trump Good for the Jews?" thread which still haven't been approved after two days, and I am genuinely at a loss to see why. They don't seem particularly out of step with a lot of other stuff he lets through straight away.

    One of them was a reply to you, by the way. It went as follows:

    The Holocaust is one of the major obstacles, if not the major one, to the propagation of Nazism.
     
    So are you suggesting it’s a bit like the suggestion I seem to recall someone was making above the line here recently (Derbyshire?) that a lot of modern jewish attitudes stem from an anachronistic and paranoid fear of the cossacks riding again if they let up in the slightest degree?

    Because while a lot depends upon definitions and where you draw lines, I don’t see any Nazis anywhere with the slightest chance of getting into power. I see some fringe Nazi-style groups, and I see lots of patriotic or traditionalist groups falsely demonised as “Nazis”, and I see a few groups like the French Front National that have lingering traces of reasonably genuine anti-Semitism (as opposed to the false accusations of antisemitism that are infinitely more common, and are routinely directed at people who don’t actually hate jews but do disapprove of Israel or refuse to kowtow to the Holocaust idol).

    What I’m not seeing is anywhere where actual Nazis are anywhere near power, or even influence, even by your own apparent usage of Nazi as anyone you regard as antisemitic.

    Holocaust idol

    The political definition of terms like anti-Semite and Nazi are determined by which actions, ideas, constructions, catch-phrases, icons, shibboleths, etc. are used by the opposing sides. It is a matter of choosing sides, which is the main point political activity. If you don’t want Nazi’s on your side then you have to be able to identify them, even if they deny their status.

    Holocaust idol is an interesting construction.

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    • Replies: @Art
    Oh my -- the boys in the basement are still at it.

    Iffen and Shama are working weekends at Hasbara Central. (Are the cheap bastards paying you boys overtime?)

    Hmm - 986,754,535,368,896,776,553,456,768,789,798,987 times - iffen has used the words “anti-Semite” - I counted them.

    I think he is trying to make a point.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. The point is that he is a propagandist working to change the subject to Jew victimization, away from responsibility for the rape of Palestine.
    , @Randal

    The political definition of terms like anti-Semite and Nazi are determined by which actions, ideas, constructions, catch-phrases, icons, shibboleths, etc. are used by the opposing sides.
     
    Up to a point. But there's also a strong element, as with the other smear terms I've mentioned, of dishonesty, whether deliberate or unconscious.

    It is a matter of choosing sides, which is the main point political activity. If you don’t want Nazi’s on your side then you have to be able to identify them, even if they deny their status.
     
    Clearly people struggle to identify "Nazis" at least as much as they struggle to use "Fascist" with any meaningful content.

    Holocaust idol is an interesting construction.
     
    Indeed, and apt in this case.
  185. @Sam Shama
    [Definitely don’t try to change opinions of people on Giraldi comment threads where a solid 75% of the commenters are literally mentally ill.]

    I am beginning to agree with your every word in that sentence after having just gone through a thoroughly bizarre discussion on another thread. My interlocutor there clearly believed he was making valid points, never mind he hadn't any direct or personal experience of the situation........

    To funny – one of Mr. Shama’s Jew owned MSM poodles, the disgraced Brain Williams, is four square against “fake news.”

    LOL

    Peace — Art

    Disgraced ex-NBC ‘fake news’ journalist Brian Williams on crusade against false reporting

    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2016/12/09/disgraced-ex-nbc-fake-news-journalist-brian-williams-on-crusade-against-false-reporting/

    p.s. Hmm – Is the cleverness required to lie and lie and lie – genetic?

    p.s. Maybe there is a truth gene and the Judaics just do not have it?

    p.s. There should be a HBD study to see what is so deficiently wrong with the Judaics.

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    Dear Art,

    No genetic link is possible about things like truth gene - otherwise moral actions would not be formed from human volition and could not stand judgment.

    Furthermore, from a Christian perspective, one must recognize that many of the earliest converts to Christianity were Jews and that the Son of Mary (pbuh) - at least the human/material aspect of him, from the Christian perspective - was 100% Jewish. Please correct me if I am wrong.

    Peace.
  186. @iffen
    Holocaust idol

    The political definition of terms like anti-Semite and Nazi are determined by which actions, ideas, constructions, catch-phrases, icons, shibboleths, etc. are used by the opposing sides. It is a matter of choosing sides, which is the main point political activity. If you don't want Nazi's on your side then you have to be able to identify them, even if they deny their status.

    Holocaust idol is an interesting construction.

    Oh my — the boys in the basement are still at it.

    Iffen and Shama are working weekends at Hasbara Central. (Are the cheap bastards paying you boys overtime?)

    Hmm – 986,754,535,368,896,776,553,456,768,789,798,987 times – iffen has used the words “anti-Semite” – I counted them.

    I think he is trying to make a point.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. The point is that he is a propagandist working to change the subject to Jew victimization, away from responsibility for the rape of Palestine.

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    Hi Art,

    Indeed, changing the subject to Jew victimization.
    Here's a wonderful film, made by an Israeli Jew. He concludes, "What anti-semitism?" The very tragic thing is the indoctrination of Israeli youth to believe that they are universally hated.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-1KgbAA_Mw
    Behind the Scenes of the ADL
    , @Art
    p.s. The point is that he is a propagandist working to change the subject to Jew victimization, away from responsibility for the rape of Palestine.

    No matter the truth and quality of our replies to iffen - if he gets us to discuss “anti-Semites”, or Nazis, or WWII - he WINS.

    He has change the subject away from what his Jews are doing to Palestine and to the US body politic.

    Clearly Judaic propaganda techniques work.

    We must keep the focus on the current evil, as he works to keep us mired 70 years in the past.

    Peace --- Art
    , @iffen
    Hmm – 986,754,535,368,896,776,553,456,768,789,798,987 times – iffen has used the words “anti-Semite” – I counted them.

    Can't use anti-Semite, can't use Nazi, whine, whine, whine; what about Jew-hater, can I use that?
  187. I have watched incredulous as the CIA’s blatant lie has grown and grown as a media story – blatant because the CIA has made no attempt whatsoever to substantiate it. There is no Russian involvement in the leaks of emails showing Clinton’s corruption. Yet this rubbish has been the lead today in the Washington Post in the US and the Guardian here, and was the lead item on the BBC main news. I suspect it is leading the American broadcasts also.

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/12/cias-absence-conviction/
    The CIA’s Absence of Conviction
    by Craig Murray

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    Here is another article. No there - there!

    Explosive Washington Post Story on 'Russian Hackers' Can't Name a Single Source

    On Friday, the Washington Post published a tantalizing article citing a 'secret CIA assessment' meant to conclusively show that Russia was behind the hack and release of thousands of DNC emails this summer. The only problem, says journalist Glenn Greenwald, is that the story consists of nothing but unverified claims by unnamed sources.

    https://sputniknews.com/us/201612101048409562-media-claims-russian-hackers-anonymous-journalism/
     
    Peace --- Art
  188. @Art
    To funny - one of Mr. Shama's Jew owned MSM poodles, the disgraced Brain Williams, is four square against “fake news.”

    LOL

    Peace --- Art

    Disgraced ex-NBC ‘fake news’ journalist Brian Williams on crusade against false reporting

    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2016/12/09/disgraced-ex-nbc-fake-news-journalist-brian-williams-on-crusade-against-false-reporting/
     
    p.s. Hmm - Is the cleverness required to lie and lie and lie - genetic?

    p.s. Maybe there is a truth gene and the Judaics just do not have it?

    p.s. There should be a HBD study to see what is so deficiently wrong with the Judaics.

    Dear Art,

    No genetic link is possible about things like truth gene – otherwise moral actions would not be formed from human volition and could not stand judgment.

    Furthermore, from a Christian perspective, one must recognize that many of the earliest converts to Christianity were Jews and that the Son of Mary (pbuh) – at least the human/material aspect of him, from the Christian perspective – was 100% Jewish. Please correct me if I am wrong.

    Peace.

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    No genetic link is possible about things like truth gene – otherwise moral actions would not be formed from human volition and could not stand judgment.

    Hi Talha,

    First, I agree with you, being honest is more about nurture then nature.

    I had a Jew professor who speculated about an “integrity gene.” His thought, was that some people are just inherently honest - that no matter what they would chose to be honest. This was well before biodiversity was talked about.

    It is striking to see Jews hold one set of values for American and the exact opposite values for Israel. They do it in mass and so easily - zombie like. Something is sure hard programed. In political matters they have no respect for facts.

    Peace --- Art
    , @NoseytheDuke
    I don't know about that Talha. Many people here have asked the question what is a Jew? The area referred to as Judea was part of the fertile crescent where people migrated to and from many different areas towards the reliable places of abundance, Egypt and Mesopotamia. There would have been a broad ethnic mix there even in ancient times so who is to say what would have been considered Jewish then anyway? Jesus certainly wasn't too fond of those at the top of the power structure there either be they Roman, Sadducee or Pharasee, it seems. Avram himself seems to have originally been from Mesopotamia anyway and if a Summerian, who knows where his crew originated. Methinks the whole thing is a political construct that bears little actual truth to it.

    The notion of God the Creator working in the Real Estate business is blasphemy itself. One of the gods maybe just as it was Lord Jethro of Midian who doled out the Ten Commandments but not the Creator.

    The very fact that we are approaching the "Christmas" holidays with little to no historical basis other than the factual Roman festival of Invictus Natalis should be enough. Here in Australia we celebrate a winter festival during our hot summer so no wonder the world has stepped out of life's procession (to quote a term used by Khalil Gibran :o).

    Salaam to you at "Christmas"

  189. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Randal
    It does seem a bit random, and you aren't the only person to say this about Sailer's system of approving posts in response to my making this point. In the end it's his blog and his prerogative, but it does make conversation difficult under his pieces, whereas I haven't had the same problem on any of the other authors' blogs I've posted to.

    I agree, which is why I try not to post there that often, and indeed generally don’t. Though, in his defense, I just checked and about half the comments on the whole site (in recent months; he actually has well over half of the total comment archive) go to Sailer, so if he moderates them himself, as I presume he does, it’s understandable that his procedure could get a little haphazard.

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  190. @Avery
    {...these 3 links say 4,000-6,000 homosexuals executed by Iran since 1979. }

    The breibart.com link had this wording: "Gay activists estimate that some 4,000 alleged gays have been executed by Iran since its 1979 Islamic Revolution.".

    'Gay activists estimate'
    Basically made up numbers by who knows who.
    Who are these so-called 'Gay activists'? Anti-Iranian Neocon disinformation agents ? Mossad propaganda mouthpieces? MEK traitors?

    (breibart.com is an unabashedly pro-Israeli web site.
    Nothing they write re Iran can be taken seriously. )

    The second link observer.com is an article by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach.
    Look him up. I am sure he too is an unbiased authority on Iran.

    And a Wikipedia link? Why not.

    And according to theguardian.com (no friend of Iran):
    [Executions in Saudi Arabia and Iran – the numbers].
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2016/jan/04/executions-in-saudi-arabia-iran-numbers-china

    Per-capita executions by Iran and KSA are about the same.
    Iran slightly higher.
    But KSA prefers a more "civilized" method of public executions: bloody public beheading.
    KSA is a very close ally of US, and collaborates with Israel: so no problem there. Right?
    China executes the most people, but then they have a pool of 1 Billion people to produce a bumper crop of criminals each year.
    China and US are very close trading partners.
    No problem there either.

    Aaaand.....US has 5% of world population, but 25% of incarcerated.

    Only Iran is a 'problem'.


    Would you like to guess how many churches and synagogues there are in IRI vs KSA? Any Saudi citizens who are Christian?

    perfect reply, Avery; thanks! You hit every point.

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  191. @Art
    Oh my -- the boys in the basement are still at it.

    Iffen and Shama are working weekends at Hasbara Central. (Are the cheap bastards paying you boys overtime?)

    Hmm - 986,754,535,368,896,776,553,456,768,789,798,987 times - iffen has used the words “anti-Semite” - I counted them.

    I think he is trying to make a point.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. The point is that he is a propagandist working to change the subject to Jew victimization, away from responsibility for the rape of Palestine.

    Hi Art,

    Indeed, changing the subject to Jew victimization.
    Here’s a wonderful film, made by an Israeli Jew. He concludes, “What anti-semitism?” The very tragic thing is the indoctrination of Israeli youth to believe that they are universally hated.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-1KgbAA_Mw
    Behind the Scenes of the ADL

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    The very tragic thing is the indoctrination of Israeli youth to believe that they are universally hated.

    Hi RobinG,

    Hear hear!

    Very young Jews are literally terrorized and traumatized by their culture - as children they are told that all of humanity wants to kill them. This is done before their mind has had a chance to begin to mature - they fill their little brainstems with fears - fears that stay with them for life.

    That is child abuse - Jews abuse their children - they teach them to loath their fellow humans - and they set them on a path of arrogant dishonesty.

    This is undeniable.

    Peace --- Art
  192. @Art
    Oh my -- the boys in the basement are still at it.

    Iffen and Shama are working weekends at Hasbara Central. (Are the cheap bastards paying you boys overtime?)

    Hmm - 986,754,535,368,896,776,553,456,768,789,798,987 times - iffen has used the words “anti-Semite” - I counted them.

    I think he is trying to make a point.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. The point is that he is a propagandist working to change the subject to Jew victimization, away from responsibility for the rape of Palestine.

    p.s. The point is that he is a propagandist working to change the subject to Jew victimization, away from responsibility for the rape of Palestine.

    No matter the truth and quality of our replies to iffen – if he gets us to discuss “anti-Semites”, or Nazis, or WWII – he WINS.

    He has change the subject away from what his Jews are doing to Palestine and to the US body politic.

    Clearly Judaic propaganda techniques work.

    We must keep the focus on the current evil, as he works to keep us mired 70 years in the past.

    Peace — Art