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The hysteria unfolding regarding events in Charlottesville reminds me of the anti-Russia madness that has made front page news ever since Hillary Clinton discovered that she had lost the presidential election to Vladimir Putin. The media train is again rushing headlong into a terra incognita with its only goal being to bring down President Donald Trump by riding a wave of anti-right wing extremist revulsion. The establishment press is essentially enforcing its own code of ethics, insisting that just because what the mainstream characterizes as morally repugnant “Nazi-scum” and white nationalists exist they are ultimately fully responsible for any violence that is required to defeat them and disrupt their activities. For the ubiquitous talking heads like Wolf Blitzer and Rachel Maddow to believe otherwise is to posit moral equivalency between the good guys and bad guys, something that cannot be tolerated.

As far as I can determine, almost no one knows much about the specific agendas of the various parties that were involved in last week’s fracas in Charlottesville. My own viewpoint extends only as far as a strong belief that the deconstruction of this nation through the elimination of select historical monuments is wrong, particularly when said monuments commemorate people who fought and died for their country. As I am a Vietnam-era army veteran I would concede that my judgment in that regard is somewhat skewed.

That aside, there are several other issues that should be of general interest that have been largely obscured by the violence that erupted and the media interpretation of the event to fit in with its own preferred narrative.

First and foremost is the free speech issue which is being conveniently ignored by a media and political class intent on punishing the white nationalist protesters no matter what rights have to be trampled along the way. As far as I can determine, the primary objective of the Unite-the-Right gathering was to protest against removing a statue, so one has to at least assume that some demonstrators were there in good faith based on that issue. And surely many of the counter-demonstrators were there to protest peacefully against some of the admittedly extremist groups marching under the Unite umbrella.

If President Donald Trump chooses to describe those individuals as good people, that is up to him to make that assessment based on what he was witnessing and hearing, but that is not what is really important. As far as I am concerned it matters not a whit whether some of the Unite marchers call themselves neo-Nazis or alt-Right because they had a permit to march and had a perfect right to gather, speak out and demonstrate. No one has a right to attack someone else or silence them because you disapprove of them. That is what the First Amendment is all about, the protection of every individual’s right to speak his or her own mind, particularly important if one is expressing unpopular or unorthodox views. It matters not at all if the speaker is a Communist, Fascist, a Green or a Libertarian, he or she has the same right. If that speaking-out morphs into threats of violence or degenerates into actual violence there are laws to deal with that, so free speech is not and should not be construed as a license to run amok.

Likewise, the so-called Antifa protesters had a right to demonstrate and deliver their message, though it is somewhat troubling that they appear not to have had a permit to gather and the police allowed them to effectively take control of the streets. One might also note that it is the political left, so called progressives, that have been in the forefront of using violence, particularly on college campuses, to shut down debate on issues they object to. They have successfully denied access to speakers who are routinely vilified as “racists” or “Nazi-scum,” including Ann Coulter, Milo Yiannopoulos, Charles Murray and Ben Shapiro, and have “shut down” pro-Donald Trump rallies. They push their agenda while simultaneously ignoring the racism and domestic terror agenda of groups that they approve of like Black Lives Matter. This counter-demonstration in Charlottesville might easily be seen as the latest manifestation of that particular form of left-wing self-righteous bigotry, to shut down by violence a group that hard core leftists are not willing to tolerate.

It is important to bear in mind that there is great danger in selectively endorsing politically correct Free Speech. If either the left or right is successful and we lose our First Amendment rights through “hate speech” legislation or other forms of state censorship such as have been introduced in Europe it is safe to say that we will have lost our republic.

A second major issue is the role of local, state and federal government in what both did and did not happen. I have looked at a lot of footage of the rioting and have also spoken to several people who were there as observers. I wanted to know just how big the alleged Nazi and Klan contingents were, – 100, 500, a 1,000? – which would seem to me to be essential to understanding what took place. When I sought to discover more about the size of the groups that demonstrated and counter-demonstrated I learned that there was nothing definitive in the media on the issue.

I had been told by one of the witnesses that the so-called white nationalists were greatly outnumbered and had not initiated the violence, which would certainly alter the narrative, so I picked up the phone and eventually got through to the Charlottesville police department only to be told that there had been no public declaration of the numbers involved or sequence of events but someone would call me back. No one has returned the call and I find it very odd that those in authority have not even bothered to describe the event and how it developed from an official point of view, if only for “lessons learned” to correct the procedures in place that led to the violence.

There was in fact a considerable police presence in the area, even accounting for bathroom breaks and donut runs, but it was invisible where it needed to be, i.e. keeping the two groups separated, which it had apparently agreed to do after meeting with the organizers of Unite-the-Right. Both right-wing and left-wing participants in the protests have described how the police closed the park with the Lee statue before standing around and only “looking on” when the fighting started. It is difficult to describe this failure to separate the groups and clear the streets as an oversight, so it must have been deliberate.

Charlottesville has a liberal Democratic mayor named Mike Signer who quickly climbed on the bandwagon to condemn the Unite-the-Right protesters before, during and after the events of Friday night and Saturday. He appeared on national television in an interview with Jake Tapper on the morning after the Saturday riot to lay the blame for the unrest on Donald Trump. One wonders what orders the Charlottesville police had received, not to mention the numerous state troopers present who were under the control of Governor Terry McAuliffe, another liberal Democratic stalwart. Who attacked whom? Why did no one intervene until the fighting was well under way? Was the official indifference just dumb or deliberate?

And finally, there is the possible role of the federal government in what developed. One media source has identified some of the allegedly radical groups that came together to demonstrate on both sides. Among the so-called supremacist groups one finds the Alt Knights, Klu Klux Klan, Identity Evropa, Traditionalist Youth Network, League of the South and the so-called “3% Risen.”

On the left, there was Antifa and Redneck Revolt. Interestingly, though the media has made much of the fact that some of the right-wing activists were armed, it has chosen to overlook the fact the some of the left, most particularly Redneck Revolt, also brought their guns along while many more counter-protesters were prepared for action, carrying baseball bats and wearing helmets and balaclavas to hide their faces. In any event, neither side resorted to the use of firearms.

In reviewing the list of the various groups involved in the protests, I was reminded of the old quip that the American Communist Party only survived financially speaking in the post Second World War environment because it had been heavily infiltrated by dues paying members planted by the FBI. Placing one’s informants in the middle of a radical group is a time-honored practice that has exploded in the U.S. since 9/11. Hardly any arrests in so-called terrorism cases are made without an FBI informant being somewhere on the scene. Of course, the informant is not supposed to encourage or participate in any illegal action, but lacking a fly on the wall when something goes down who is to know? FBI officers get promoted on the basis of arrests made and both domestic and international terrorism constitute high priority targets. I would assume that there FBI informants among the Klu Kluxers, the neo-Nazis and also within Richard Spencer’s National Policy Institute. On the left, I would bet there were some inside sources working the Redneck Revolt and Antifa.

The likelihood that there were paid FBI informants on both sides of the conflict leads me to believe that the federal government knows exactly what took place on August 12th in Charlottesville, but perhaps no one has either the guts or requisite integrity to be honest about it as it might be embarrassing all around. What if it turns out that the politically more acceptable counter-demonstrators deliberately provoked the violence and were allowed to get away with it?

Even as I write this the tsunami “orgy of self-righteousness,” as George Neumayr describes it, connected to Charlottesville continues to grow. Steven Sailer has asked how long it will be before an alleged neo-Nazi is publicly lynched with the media blaming the victim for his own demise? And with all those apparent storm troopers marching around, it hasn’t taken long for Jewish groups to raise the specter of a tide of anti-Semitism in America all due to Trump, which inevitably means that the accommodating media and pandering politicians will get their talons into this story for a long time to come on that basis alone. Al Sharpton meanwhile wants to defund the Jefferson Memorial and there are moves afoot to remove all the statues of former slaveholders from the Capitol building. Can James Madison, James Monroe and even George Washington himself be next? Will Washington the city be renamed Tubman? Stay tuned.

 
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  1. Alfa158 says:

    “The likelihood that there were paid FBI informants on both sides of the conflict leads me to believe that the federal government knows exactly what took place on August 12th in Charlottesville, but perhaps no one has either the guts or requisite integrity to be honest about it as it might be embarrassing all around. What if it turns out that the politically more acceptable counter-demonstrators deliberately provoked the violence and were allowed to get away with it?”

    Gee you think?

    Well there won’t be any embarrassment because a) the Imperial media will never cover such a story and if it leaked out anyway; b) The Empire is inherently incapable of being embarrassed about anything.

  2. Dube says:

    Charlottesville: the numbers in the field. If you don’t know the numbers and deployment, you don’t know the event.

  3. Based on eyewitness accounts and video footage of what took place in Charlottesville, these facts have emerged: antifa agitators came to Charlottesville impose street justice on their ‘Nazi’ opponents and shut down the lawful and peaceful assembly of a conservative minority.

    This is not the first time that antifa activists have unleashed premeditated violence upon their political adversaries.

    Antifa thugs (and their political enablers) are on a dark mission: to deny the constitutional guarantees of free speech, public assembly and free association to racially-conscious whites. This is a totalitarian agenda.

    Further, the mainstream media–using biased analysis and inflammatory reporting–is enabling this pernicious pattern of antifa violence to spread.

    Today, Americans are taught to celebrate the ‘Jewish Community’, the ‘gay community’, the ‘black community’, the ‘Hispanic community’.

    But never the ‘white community’. That is not allowed. Never–even though Euro-Americans are the heart and soul of our extraordinary, English-speaking civilization.

    Fact: white advocacy is not ‘white supremacy’.

    Yet our mainstream media declares it so.

    This deception does real harm. Whites are divided. Ashamed.

    White children are increasingly isolated and estranged from their own roots and community. Political self-loathing and downward mobility have become common among whites.

    White cohesion has been declared racist and uniquely evil. This may be good news for ambitious and envious blacks, gays, Hispanics and Jews. But whites are in decline.

    This worldview is partly the product of double standards. These double-standard are underhanded.

    Antifa extremism is being used by the Liberal establishment to crush if not eradicate white memory and white continuity.

    Please sign and circulate the petition to declare antifa a terrorist organization.

    https://www.change.org/p/president-of-the-united-states-declare-antifa-a-terrorist-organization

  4. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Another excellent essay. Mr. Giraldi, I would appreciate knowing what you think about one particular aspect of the stagecraft.

    Having watched a few (not all, especially as some have been squelched) of the videos assembled under the parallel Cleburne article, my impression is that these so-called Uniters of The Right may have selected the forum because they, like the Establishment generally, desired a violent altercation.

    The Friday night torchlight parade as filmed by Vice seems almost scripted, provocative “reality TV” to stoke fear and loathing among the American manipullati. Men who look like Haven Monohan’s frat brothers chanting “Blood And Soil” (really?!), in perfect formation behind a drum major who looks like a Viking Hell’s Angel, all left undisturbed by observers. Are these even the same people sent packing on Saturday from the park and down the street to be abused by hundreds of counter-protestors, as seen in the Goldy video?

    Thank you.

    • Replies: @Redman
    , @Wade
    , @Talleyrand
  5. “… particularly when said monuments commemorate people who fought and died for their country ….”

    There’s a self-proclaimed “Great American” Conservative talk-show host, Bill Cunningham, who makes a great deal of the fact that leaders of the CSA and its forces were in open rebellion against the USA and are therefore not worthy of being memorialized. He is, of course, looking at this in the post-Civil War context, where the Union is now deemed to essentially be indivisible by a decision of the Supreme Court (Texas v. White, 74 US 700 (1869)). Had the war gone to a draw or a CSA victory, one could easily say that these folks were indeed fighting and dying for their country, but that is apparently controversial even on the self-proclaimed right.

    I would agree in any case that they were fighting and dying for a country as they knew it in the context of their times and its contemporaneous politics; there is no question that they were fighting and dying for their respective States and the overall cause of the rights of those States.

    The Civil War was fought for a number of reasons, of which slavery is but a minor cause, but it has been co-opted to lend a moral credence to the second vanquishment not only of the Southern States but all of the States.

    This isn’t about erasing the memories of slavery so much as to cement once and for all a Federal supremacy, regardless of whether or not it is being run by and for the benefit of some unsavory characters and their pet causes, and you in your local communities are to have no say whatsoever on the course it will run.

  6. The weird thing in recent history is that what the British wanted with WWI was the break up op the multicultural Habsburg empire.
    There should be self determination.
    Equally weird is that jews felt safe in this multicultural empire, they also feel safe in the multicultural USA, I suppose one of the reasons AIAC has an office in Brussels.
    USA president Wilson supported this bre

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  7. @jilles dykstra

    published too soon

    Wilson supported this break up by his princple of self determination, nationalism.
    Nowadays nationalism is wrong, equals racism etc.
    Pre WWI GB wanted the break up of the Habsburg empire, they feared Pan Germanism, direction ME, India and Far East.
    Nowadays nationalism is wrong, threatens the EU.

  8. This is the best editorial coverage of the event that I have seen.

  9. CalDre says:

    Great points.

    But not complete without mentioning that the Oligarch Media translated Trump repeatedly condemning neo-Nazis, KKK, racism and bigotry but saying there were “good and bad people on both sides” into “Trump endorses Adolph Hitler and mournfully laments the defeat of Nazism in 1945″.

    Because not only do you deserve state-sanctioned (and Oligarch Media incited) violence if you have an opinion the Oligarch Media finds odious (read: challenges the Oligarch’s grasp on power), you deserve death even if you knowingly associate with them. There can be no “good person” marching with a KKK member in opposition to a political decision.

    Let’s call out ANTIFA for what it is – neo-Bolshevism, in all its essential tenets. It is still the Communists who claim to be “anti-fascist”, as if somehow that exonerates them from their own wrongdoings (which in many respects exceed those of “fascists” and certainly those of “neo-Nazis”, who AFAICT haven’t committed any major physical crimes) in an “ends-justify-the-means” type of justification (spoiler alert: the ends are the same as the means).

    • Replies: @Bogart
    , @Carroll Price
  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Nobody died at Columbine. Boston Marathon 9/11 passengers, etc.
    Its time Americans wake up to reclaim the nation.

    Staging this kind of event is child’s play for the CIA.. For them, its part of the standard regime change profile.
    Mind control technology delivers activist to the place in the space to commit overt ….acts and to take in true patsy form the untraceable source of the blame for conflict of ideas to be escalated to mayhem.
    Conflict escalation [Ce} was a major tool for the Leninist plan to bring the Czar of Russia down in February, 1917 Such Ce and it has been successfully applied in the political space of many nations to bring down well like national leaders. Ce Chaos is the name of the game! Chaos is one of the dispersant that can be added to separate the people of a nation from the peace afforded to them by their political structures. Chaos unleashes abusive power the law and order prevent. Those hidden behind the scenes have a plan..but it cannot be implemented if the political and cultural structures of the target society remains strong and its principles upheld . To weaken structure: opposing interest are pitted against each other to disturb the peace and to create chaos. As the structural integrity of the target political and cultural system begin to weaken the plan is put into action.
    The nations people’s support for the structure is generally strong enough to keep the political and cultural structure in place(i.e.the people continue to adhere to the law and order accustomed to their national society). What destroys that structure is chaos! Chaos works because it weakens the leadership. What chaos does is to allow behind the scene take-overs, it allows to enrage the uninformed public so, that the public itself encourages legislatures to enact the kind of Draconian rules that self-generate chaos (i.e. limits on free speech, curfews, and intrusions by governments of law and use of force). My fellow Americans find themselves once again victims of a mirage staged by those who intended chaos to be generated, the tools of the chaos generating teams were used to stir to a frenzy, those who were sincere as to a heart-felt. I quote the article “radical groups .. came together to demonstrate on both sides?” just as was done in 1917 Russia!
    OUTCOME: chaos disperses the people caught inside of media controlled political space..

    • Replies: @Chris Dakota
    , @Alden
  11. The Antifa:”We give our enthusiastic support to the hardcore racial identity politics of Blacks…Hispanics…Muslims…Hindus…Sihks…Asians….if Whites engage in White Identity Politics….We will kill them!!!”

    This Antifa are the shock troops of the Corporations….

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  12. Redman says:
    @anonymous

    Thank you for this. I had the same impression but have been unable to find any analysis of the “blood and soil” video being shown by CNN and the “International” media which you describe.

    It seemed to be filmed as if by a documentary film crew with lighting, quick cuts and special effects.

    The participants looked like Hollywood actors rather than the typical people you see at a protest. Even the “fights” appeared to be staged. More like a mosh pit being filmed. Punches are seen being thrown, but you never see anyone hit or any blood. And there was just ONE arrest according to the media. Hmmm….

    • Replies: @The King is a Fink
  13. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Gee, look at the positive side, at least if your part of the MIC or a TBTF Wall Street Casino. The riots helped box Trump in on the Afghanistan war thing, as he now declares we’ll stay there, bombing the rubble for years to come.

    That Afghan opium will keep flowing and the hundreds of billions laundered by those Wall Street gangsters will also continue to flow.

    When the hate-filled Senator Graham admires Trump’s Afghan war speech, you know the nation is in trouble.

  14. tjm says:

    “The media train is again rushing headlong into a terra incognita with its only goal being to bring down President Donald Trump by riding a wave of anti-right wing extremist revulsion”.

    What a load of main stream media BS!

    The media is owned by the same Wall Street Zionist filth that own Trump.

    This idea that Trump is an “American Firster”, worked during the election, but has been seen for the lie it truly is now.

    Trump has filled his cabinet with Wall Street Zionists, continued sales of weapons to terrorist states, has INCREASED our presence in Isreal’s wars, and has continued to antagonize Russia, while TOTALLY IGNORING MASS LATINO IMMIGRATION.

    Just like with Obama, the media is playing a role as “anti-Trump”, to give Trump cover for being another Zionist puppet. When Obama was in office the ZioMedia called him the “most liberal President”, even as he took away our rights, bailed out Wall Street and sold arms to third world despots.

    Americans need to GROW UP, stop thinking the world is so black and white and see how we are being played for fools. Zionists rule Washington, and certainly Trump. Peter Thiel and Adleson are Trump’s biggest financial supporters, are we supposed to believe THEY ARE AMERICA FIRSTERS, please, they hate America, they are Zionists.

    • Replies: @Moi
  15. tjm says:
    @Mark Green

    You are putting blacks, Latinos and Jews on equal footing, that is ridiculous.

    The ruling class are Zionist Jews, who use blacks and Latinos to destroy American society, to pit us against each other.

    Those behind the “antifa” are the same rich Zionists that have pushed for the destruction of Russia, Spain, England…

    The “Tribe” is at war with US, they control the media, Washington and Wall Street.

    • Agree: anarchyst, ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @lavoisier
  16. The torch march scared a lot of people because ordinary people do actually feel this way now which is why they must scrub the internet of the real history they have sewn.
    Cultural Marxism is the tool used to soften up the base, it ends like Europe with feminized males who are incapable of fighting back.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  17. @Anonymous

    I said to a cop a few yrs ago “Boston Marathon was a false flag” he said “Does it even matter?”
    True it doesn’t matter, it is taken as real and the objective is realized anyway.
    Trump didn’t call out Charlottesville as a false flag, he folded to the deep state and extended the war in Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Redman
  18. “It is important to bear in mind that there is great danger in selectively endorsing politically correct Free Speech. If either the left or right is successful and we lose our First Amendment rights through “hate speech” legislation or other forms of state censorship such as have been introduced in Europe it is safe to say that we will have lost our republic.”

    I hate to break it to this writer … but the train has already left the station, and some time ago. The left HAS been successful beyond “endorsing politically correct Free Speech”. They now with little resistance enforce the ever expanding PC speech codes because they own the enforcement apparatus, i.e., the MSM, the courts, the propaganda outlets that make the shaming machinery of popular culture so efficient. They have us self-censoring. Go to any university campus and see how far free speech takes you. At your workplace just casually mention a politically incorrect fact, like black-on-white homicide statistics, and see where your career goes. Technically, yes, state censorship is not yet in place, but the left doesn’t really need it that much. Plus the censorious SJWs are just one or two Supreme Court (Democrat appointed) justices in the near future, who will mop things up by upholding “hate speech” legislation that will criminalize speech that includes facts that hurt the feelings of “marginalized” people — delayed for a bit by Trump’s surprise upending of Hillary Hugo Chavez Clinton.

    The left wants more than state censorship. They see the destruction of European (white) civilization.

    http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-exterminationist-left-happy-trails.html

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @ia
  19. @jilles dykstra

    Pan-Germanism wasn’t fostered by the existence of the multicultural, multinational Austro-Hungarian Empire, so that is a reason, just one of a number, to doubt your assertion that the British, before WWl, had a serious purpose of breaking it up. What is your authority, where are your references for such a novel view?

  20. @Greg Bacon

    As I understand it Afghan opium just was collateral profit, the CIA ran out of money to finance the Taliban, who were supposed to drive the USSR out of Afghanistan, and needed money.
    In an indirect way USA citizens continued to pay for the Afghan war, with high collateral costs, drugs prevention, overdose deaths, and crime.
    Paying through taxes would have been far cheaper.

    I for many years wondered what the USA wanted in Afghanistan, but maybe Goldman Sachs solved the problem: Afghanistan has huge lithium reserves, they stated recently.
    As some of us know, Kosovo was liberated in order that the west, not Serbia, could exploit the most mineral rich area of Europe.

    But now there emerges another riddle: has climate change been invented in order to make a profit on conquering Afghanistan?
    And was Trump, a business man, informed of the reason to conquer and occupy the land?

  21. @War for Blair Mountain

    Is that a real quote from somewhere (that has not just made it up) or have you made it up?

  22. @Chris Dakota

    It matters to me when a government performs terror shows, with or without killing its own citizens.
    Such governments should be behind bars until their natural deaths.

  23. @Wizard of Oz

    Sir Campbell Stuart, K.B.E., ‘The Secrets of Crewe House, The Story of a Famous Campaign’, London, 1920

    The book is about how British WWI propaganda was organised and conducted, and what the war aims were.
    Wilson’s Eighteen Points were carefully coordinated with Northcliffe’s policies, Nothcliffe led Crewe House.
    Pan Germanism of course could not exist without a German, or pro German, mentality in the Habsburg empire.
    WWI GB propaganda was that even the Ottomans were pro German.

    WWI had as purpose the breaking up of three empires, the German, the Habsburg and the Ottoman.
    Hitler resurrected the German empire, what remained of the Otoman empire was far more than foreseen by the Treaty of Sèvres of 1921, just the objective of breaking up the Habsburg empire was realised.
    Atatürk is the man who maybe most changed world history, intended world history.

    The three mentioned empires were all along the Berlin Baghdad railway, nowhere I ever saw the objective of WWI so brilliantly explained as in a pamphlet made and distributed by Crewe House, the pamphlet had a map of the Berlin Baghdad railway.

    • Replies: @hyperbola
    , @Wizard of Oz
  24. JackOH says:

    Philip, thanks. My local newspaper, an intelligent and literate independent, came out against neo-Nazis today. I suspect the editor was pressured into it, because the phenomenon of neo-Nazism as a meaningful political movement doesn’t exist in my area. Neo-Nazism doesn’t exist as a meaningful political phenomenon in the United States.

    Chrissake–I’m venting here–does anyone else here see an obvious parallel between the actual historical Nazis opportunistically grasping for power after the Reichstag fire, and the Left grasping at opportunities to efface the memory of prominent Southerners using the trivial Charlottesville fracas as a pretext? What’s that old saw: he who accuses, excuses. The real Nazis seem to me the other guys–the Left.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  25. @Wizard of Oz

    Wizo

    It is the Antifa position…just google photos of the Antifa holding signs at the Charlottesville and Boston Protests…The Antifa don’t hide their genocidal intent towards The Historic Native Born White American Working Class….

    When Alt Right Rock Star Richard Spencer appeared on 20/20 this past Friday Night he should have said this to Antifa Lucy McCauley:”the Antifa and the Democratic Party have open violent genocidal intent towards The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority….The Alt Right is the frontline resistance to this…”

    • Replies: @anonymous
  26. jack ryan says: • Website

    The Mainsteam Media including supposedly “Conservative” media like National Review is worse than worthless. Pravada in the 1930s gives more fair and balanced news reporting on events like the UnitetheRight rally in Charlottesville VA

    I’m having solid, small success contacting Virginia state representative (R) assistants and expressing my displeasure with the riots, the bad faith actions of Charlottesville mayor and the Virginia governor and also the fake news, lying media.

    I encourage others to contact the VA state reps and do the same. Here are some tips, be polite, be brief, don’t lecture, rant and rave. Don’t lie, but no reason to volunteer information that discredits the call.

    In my case I don’t live in Virginia, I live in Chicago. But, I explain that I applied and was accepted to the University of Virginia Charlottesville and was accepted. I explain that I wanted to go to a Southern University that respected Southern history and Southern heritage and I ended up attending Vanderbilt University which was in the mid 1980s a very Southern School. It isn’t that way now, going the way of Duke University.

    I strongly objected to the forced removal of statues of Robert E Lee and other Confederate leaders and I strongly objected to mobs of Antifa Communists, BlackLivesMatter and other Leftist mobs attacking people with baseball bats, bricks, bear mace, urine and feces and the mainstream media covering up these cowardly attacks.

    Here’s the contact link to Virginia state represents:

    http://virginiageneralassembly.gov/house/members/members.php

  27. jack ryan says: • Website
    @Alfa158

    Yeah, maybe some. But, almost all of this was done by corrupt, lying folks in Virginia state and local. The Virginia governor and the (J tribe) Charlottesville VA mayor openly worked to deny the UnitetheRight their legal right to demonstrate in Lee Park/Emancipation Park and the local police and state national guard force the UnitetheRight Demonstrates to exit the park to be attacked by massed mobs of Antifa/BlackLivesMatter mobs. This was deliberate. So it wasn’t all some Federal conspiracy in the Trump administration.

    These college towns like Charlottesville VA or Durham (Duke) N.C. have been taken over politically and in the faculty by hard core Leftists, anti Whites – the wealthy alumni of these once solid Conservative Southern colleges generally doesn’t care as long as the basketball teams do well and the College rankings stay high (rankings done by Harvard and Yale type academics).

    I know the score as I went to the former Southern Conservatives University of Vanderbilt University in Nashville TN. Vanderbilt now has a J tribe Chancellor Nicholas Zeppos who was a former Leftist Law professor at the University of Wisconsin Madison – the same college town that now has an openly Castro Communist mayor who just ripped out Confederate grave stones outside of Madison.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @JudgeSmails
  28. anarchyst says:

    Has anyone noticed that the so-called “white supremacists” were holding brand new, recently unfolded flags and were wearing brand new, recently unfolded k kk regalia?
    It is no secret that a jewish-owned company “Crowds On Demand” was advertising for (left-wing) protesters for Charlottesville on craigslist.
    Sorta tells you something…
    The “Unite the Right” promoter Kessler was an 0′bama operative…
    The whole thing was orchestrated in order to further demonize whites…

  29. Moi says:
    @tjm

    Agree, and would add that Trump’s most trusted advisers are his Jewish Orthodox son-in-law and daughter Yael.

  30. jack ryan says: • Website
    @jilles dykstra

    “Kosovo was liberated in order that the west, not Serbia, could exploit the most mineral rich area of Europe.”

    I respond:

    What ridiculous nonsense. Everything isn’t about money. The Arab vs Israeli conflict isn’t all about money – it’s a racial, tribal thing.

    Why do you think Madeleine Albright and all the Zionists, Neo Conservatives went ape sh** about Nationalist Serbs trying to retake their sacred province of Kosovo? You think it was about mineral reserves. You’re really either really stupid or just another liar.

    Madeleine Albright and the Zionists, Neo Conservatives were frankly just honest for a short while stating that no European country could be homogenous, nationalist. It makes no difference that the Serbs fought with the Russians/Soviets against Nationalist Germany in both World Wars or professed support for Israel.

    The tribe, neo Conservatives in the US and in the Diaspora will vigorously oppose any European oriented people who attempt nationalist immigration, military policies – everybody’s a NAZI to them.

    Jeees.

  31. iffen says:

    Charlottesville mayor Mike Signer and Governor Terry McAuliffe should be under investigation for criminally negligent manslaughter.

    • Replies: @The King is a Fink
  32. Jim Bovard says: • Website

    Excellent piece. I hope we find out what the feds knew and when they knew it.

  33. @jilles dykstra

    As I understand it Afghan opium just was collateral profit, the CIA ran out of money to finance the Taliban, who were supposed to drive the USSR out of Afghanistan, and needed money.

    Except that the Taliban had come close to shutting down the Afghan poppy fields and the raping of little boys, before the US invaded.

  34. @jilles dykstra

    Kosovo: the only country conquered for its lignite. Amazing. Revusky would be proud to call you an ally.

  35. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Mark Green

    Everything you are saying is true. But the real puzzle here is that the people who most despise Western Civilization and the white people who created that civilization are other white people.

    Look at the leftist scum populating the anti-fascist movement who are not wearing masks. They are white people. These braindead ethnomasochists are the problem, and I do not believe it is simply brainwashing that has led them to act in such a destructive way towards their own civilization and people.

    Sure, the Jewish control of the media and the culture and their frequent hostility to the goyim has encouraged this destructive impulse, but these people are responsible for their own thoughts and actions.

    The modern white liberal has become a genuine threat to our freedoms, our way of life, and our survival as a civilization.

    Their ethnomasochism has to be defeated if Western Civilization has any hope to survive.

    • Agree: ia
    • Replies: @Ximenes
  36. To see the root cause of the radical lefts attempt to cause discord and violence , read THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION and THE COMMITTEE OF 300 by John Coleman, can be had on Amazon, and go to Henry Makow.com.

  37. lavoisier says: • Website
    @tjm

    The Tribe is not marching in the street and trashing the place. They are behind the curtain for sure, but it is the braindead white liberal who is the main stormtrooper for the left.

    These ethnomasochists must be seen clearly for what they are– dangerous enemies of Western Civilization.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  38. Is this article about Charlottesville or is it about Vladimir Putin?

  39. @jack ryan

    But wasn’t Kosovo separated from Setbia to appease the nationalim of the Albanian/Kosovan nationalists?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  40. iffen says:

    though it is somewhat troubling that they appear not to have had a permit to gather and the police allowed them to effectively take control of the streets.

    Supposedly the counter-protestors had permits to assemble at two other parks. If they had not been allowed to effectively take control of the streets they would not have been in place to assault the UTR people when the police pushed the UTR people out of Emancipation Park.

  41. TheJester says:

    Yes, this is confusing. One day Vladimir is coming to get us … he is hiding under our beds and infecting our computer systems. Disregard. The next day it is the Alt-Right hiding under our beds and infecting our water supply.

    It appears that the MSM and Progressive movement, no matter how well organized, are a “one-trick pony”. They can only posture one hysterical The End is Nigh meme at a time for public consumption. This in itself should raise suspicions that these are all pre-staged political carnivals … theaters of the absurd. The question, Who is organizing and paying for these carnivals and to what end?

  42. @Alfa158

    The Empire is inherently incapable of being embarrassed about anything.

    I have cast about for several months, looking for an encompassing term to include “Deep State”, “Alt-Left”, “neocons”, and of course the ubiquitous generic, “democrat”.

    I rather like your coinage of “The Empire”, and will begin using it frequently.

    Check’s in the mail. ;-)

    • Replies: @anonymous
  43. Mob rule is not coming to America.
    It is already here.
    People never learn!

  44. @jilles dykstra

    Realize that Warmonger Wilson’s ‘Fourteen Points’ were only intended to apply to enemy powers: Germany, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the Ottoman Empire. They were never intended to apply to the British or French Empires. Wilson’s alleged nationalism was a complete sham.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  45. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jack ryan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_D._Zelikow

    Philip David Zelikow born September 21, 1954) is an American attorney, diplomat, academic and author. He has worked as the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, director of the Miller Center of Public Affairs at the University of Virginia, and Counselor of the United States Department of State. He is the White Burkett Miller Professor of History at the University of Virginia and was American Academy in Berlin Axel Springer Fellow, in the fall of 2009.

    • Replies: @desert fox
    , @hyperbola
  46. Joe Hide says:

    To Phillip Giraldi,
    You had me laughing with some of your writings. For instance, “When Hillary Clinton discovered she had lost the election to Vladimir Putin.” …HA!
    Also, Your style of asking questions and then giving only some of the possible answers made me do some thinking I wouldn’t have done otherwise. I hope You continue with this great style in the future.

  47. Tubman? No reason not to, really. Not that her views coincide with the delusions circulating these days, either.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  48. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Macadam

    ok
    Tubman

    but what to do about District of Columbia?
    that reminds of the evil Columbus.

    Surely that should be changed to District of Netanyahu.

  49. Sbaker says:

    This was forwarded to me by the former police commissioner of Honolulu. Sbaker

    WE ARE BEING LIED TO AND WILL LOSE OUR COUNTRY IF THIS doesn’t STOP!

    _”STAND DOWN”_ (Video)

    Only one side had permits .

    Charlottesville was a set up …

    http://truthuncensored.net/charlottesville-police-come-forward-told-stand-ignite-race-war-video/

    [1]

    CHARLOTTESVILLE POLICE COME FORWARD: _WE WERE TOLD TO “STAND
    DOWN”_ TO IGNITE RACE WAR (VIDEO)

    Lauren Richardson [2]

    _“WE [CHARLOTESVILLE POLICE] WERE ORDERED TO BRING THE RIVAL GROUPS
    TOGETHER – AND THEN…”_

    A CHARLOTTESVILLE POLICE OFFICER HAS COME FORWARD TO EXPRESS HIS
    OUTRAGE AT BEING TOLD TO “STAND DOWN” BY THE CITY MAYOR DURING
    VIOLENT CLASHES BETWEEN PROTESTERS. The officer also claims the
    protests, which pitched “white supremacists” against members of
    Antifa, were “set up” to allow for the groups to ignite into
    exactly what happened.

    “_We [Charlotesville police] were ordered [3]to bring the rival
    groups together. As soon as they were in contact with each other, we
    were told TO STAND DOWN. It was outrageous. We weren’t allowed to
    arrest anyone without asking the mayor first. We weren’t even
    allowed to stop the driver as he sped away._“

    “_The event was being set up as far back as at least May and it
    went like clockwork_.”

    At no point is the car that plowed into the crowd of protesters
    perused by police – there is not a police car in sight leading into
    the area, or out.

    NEW VIDEO: Car That Plowed Into Charlottesville Crowd Spotted Leaving
    the Scene

    — Breaking911 (@Breaking911) 2:00 PM – Aug 14, 2017 [4]

    Michael Signer, the mayor of Charlottesville, ordered police to stand
    down during the most chaotic and destructive period of the protests
    – despite police protests against the orders.

    “_WE WANTED TO DO OUR JOB AND KEEP THE PEACE. BUT THESE
    MOTHER******S IN CHARGE REALLY WANT TO DESTROY AMERICA_.”

    • Replies: @Ilyana Rozumova
  50. Well, Phil, I would conjecture the entire event is being ‘milked by mainstream’ to bring pressure on Trump to eventually resign, the ‘cannot unite the nation’ mantra. Of course this could have nothing to do (to the troglodytes, this irony) with putting Pence in power. Every retired general sitting a military-industrial corporate board would prefer ‘family man’ (Coe cult’s) Pence if only because he believes in literal Armageddon and that’s good for profits.

    Now, what that might have to do with a former Department of State operative returned from Central Africa (remember the LRA’s Kony?) being CNN’s man on the spot as events unfolded I couldn’t precisely tell you, but it smells really BAD:

    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2017/08/13/charlottesville-attack-brennan-gilmore-and-the-stop-kony-2012-pysop-what/

    But I expect the immediate preceding [link-facts] is all about deep state exploiting racial divide for ulterior purpose, that would be nothing new, here’s my take:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2017/08/13/on-charlottesville/

    Phil writes: “Can James Madison, James Monroe and even George Washington himself be next? Will Washington the city be renamed Tubman? Stay tuned”

    As far as I’m concerned, Lee’s statue can go, and so can Washington’s -

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2017/08/19/dissident-son-of-the-confederacy/

    ^

  51. @Redman

    The participants looked like Hollywood actors rather than the typical people you see at a protest.

    I thought exactly the same. It looks like a reconstruction for a documentary. Its incredibly fake looking.

  52. @iffen

    What is the legal position in the USA with respect to law enforcement officers not enforcing the law?

    Another comment on a different site claims that officers were not legally obliged to intervene. This seems odd to me. If this is the case, it may not be a legal dereliction of duty but it certainly seems to be a moral dereliction of duty.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @iffen
    , @Chris Mallory
  53. CIA says:

    Oklahoma City is the template for this new CIA provocation. CIA moles under FBI cover run agents provocateur like Dillon Irizarry and Kessler (who previously did the same to Occupy as an equal-opportunity snitch.) CIA has provocateurs provoking each other to a frenzy, informing on each other to the Man, unaware that CIA is paying them all. Meanwhile other CIA agents, loaners from foreign intelligence counterparts like Mossad or BND, are planning the touchy large-scale attacks on the civilian population. The foreign loaner agents will be protected as sources with eyes-only intelligence liaison agreements. When the foreign loaners pull off CIA’s terror spectacle, CIA will exfiltrate them and pick the dumbest provocateur to get framed for it. Just like Oklahoma City.

    https://whowhatwhy.org/2015/04/22/exclusive-oklahoma-city-bombing-breakthrough-part-1-of-2/

    Just like the Boston Marathon too: Tsarnaev’s double sets off the fireworks, gets sprung from jail and sent home, Tsarnaev gets publicly executed, and his bewildered kid brother gets framed. Mass State cops Cinelli and Gagne carry out death-squad murder of the Tsarnaev associate who knew he was press-ganged as a provocateur.

    https://whowhatwhy.org/2014/12/21/boston-bombing-primer/

    https://whowhatwhy.org/category/boston-marathon-bombing/

    Let’s hope this time Kessler gets picked to play the Tamerlan Tsarnaev part.

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
  54. Rurik says:
    @Mark Green

    White children are increasingly isolated and estranged from their own roots and community. Political self-loathing and downward mobility have become common among whites.

    there is an epidemic of white men committing suicide

    • Replies: @anonymous
  55. iffen says:
    @The King is a Fink

    What is the legal position in the USA with respect to law enforcement officers not enforcing the law?

    Amendment XIV

    Section 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Apparently does not apply to white people with views not approved by the elite.

  56. iffen says:
    @The King is a Fink

    From Wiki:

    Criminally negligent manslaughter

    Criminally negligent manslaughter is variously referred to as criminally negligent homicide in the United States, and gross negligence manslaughter in England and Wales. In Scotland and some Commonwealth of Nations jurisdictions the offence of culpable homicide might apply.

    It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness…

    Criminally negligent manslaughter occurs where there is an omission to act when there is a duty to do so, or a failure to perform a duty owed, which leads to a death.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Sam Shama
  57. @anonymous

    Zelikow was one of the neocons who helped coverup 911 which was perpetrated by the deepstate and Israel and is one of the most horrendous attacks on America in our history, and is further proof of Zionist control of the U.S. government.

  58. @The King is a Fink

    Another comment on a different site claims that officers were not legally obliged to intervene. This seems odd to me. If this is the case, it may not be a legal dereliction of duty but it certainly seems to be a moral dereliction of duty.

    Legally, no the cops do not have any requirement to protect anyone from harm. There have been several SCOTUS decisions, along with state court decisions, that have said this.

    • Replies: @The King is a Fink
  59. geokat62 says:
    @lavoisier

    They are behind the curtain for sure…

    The ADL, by its own admission, was working intensively “behind the scenes” with police and government networks in Charlottesville. Anita Gray, regional director of the Anti-Defamation League, told one Jewish media outlet in the aftermath of ‘Unite the Right’:

    We have been working on the ground and behind the scenes leading up to during and after the rally. Our Center on Extremism has been collaborating with law enforcement for weeks, providing intelligence on the various white supremacist groups who subsequently showed up in Charlottesville, and investigating specific threats in real time. We remain in close contact with law enforcement, elected officials, community leaders and others and continue to provide critical research, resources and community support. All of our offices have been working around the clock to respond, inform and take action [emphasis added].

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net

  60. Wally says: • Website
    @Mark Green

    “The historical mission of our world revolution is to rearrange a new culture of humanity to replace the previous social system. This conversion and re-organization of global society requires two essential steps: firstly, the destruction of the old established order, secondly, design and imposition of the new order. The first stage requires elimination of all frontier borders, nationhood and culture, public policy ethical barriers and social definitions, only then can the destroyed old system elements be replaced by the imposed system elements of our new order.

    The first task of our world revolution is Destruction. All social strata and social formations created by traditional society must be annihilated, individual men and women must be uprooted from their ancestral environment, torn out of their native milieus, no tradition of any type shall be permitted to remain as sacrosanct, traditional social norms must only be viewed as a disease to be eradicated, the ruling dictum of the new order is; nothing is good so everything must be criticized and abolished, everything that was, must be gone.”

    - from: ‘The Spirit Of Militarism’, by Nahum Goldmann

    Goldmann was the founder & president of the World Jewish Congress

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @CCZ
  61. @geokat62

    Thanks George – I hadn’t seen the citation. So it would seem that they were doing their best to criminalize the gathering even before anyone showed up. I imagine they have dossiers on both you and me and on many others who write into this site that they are ready to produce for law enforcement on a moment’s notice to demonstrate what bad dudes we are! It’s the same way AIPAC works Congress.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @ia
    , @geokat62
    , @Sam Shama
  62. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    I refer to the ADL site all the time. They have the money and resources to turn out the information. I just read with a grain of kosher salt. :)

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  63. Avery says:
    @iffen

    I am not aware of a single case where law enforcement has been held _criminally_ liable for failure to perform.

    There have been several case where cops have not responded to 911 calls, callers have been killed, and courts have held that cops have no duty to save any one’s life.

    [WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.]*

    US residents have an _obligation_ to pay taxes to fund police (…..for protection), but police are not obligated to provide protection to you, the taxpayer.

    ________________
    *
    [Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone]

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Talha
  64. Jake says:

    The USA created by Mr. Lincoln – who had to slaughter hundreds of thousands of whites and make many more whites dirt poor in order to achieve his vision – is showing what it is.

  65. iffen says:
    @Avery

    I am not talking about individual police officers. I am talking about the State of Virginia’s obligation to provide equal protection to citizens. I am talking about the criminal negligence of the State of Virginia provoking riot by pushing hostile groups into physical contact with each other.

    • Replies: @Avery
  66. Rurik says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    So it would seem that they were doing their best to criminalize the gathering even before anyone showed up

    I’m shocked, shocked !

  67. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Hmmm. What was this “new order” of which Goldmann speaks? Can you be specific? I’m particularly impressed, because this particular book was published in German and was never translated.

  68. ia says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    That was a very good article.

    Certainly, there are Jews who engage in activity to undermine whites. But, I keep asking myself why they became so powerful in the last 60 years or so. After all, Jews have been around for millennia and were kept at bay.

    When you also take into account the rise of blacks and feminism it seems apparent to me it began with the Enlightenment. Human Rights. And the oppressor group is the most successful, white men. So, the Jews jumped on the bandwagon.

    The rise of the bohemian class in the 19th century was not directed by Jews.

    p. 55 – “The naïve nineteen-year-old who tried to curry favor with high society in order to sell subscriptions to Le Livre d’or, keepsake du grand monde had become an ardent proponent of a république démocratique et sociale (democratic and socialist republic) or in shorthand, démoc-soc. The opportunistic twenty-four-year-old who had signed on as secretary to a reactionary delegate in the Chamber of Deputies was now, in his late twenties, in permanent revolt against the government, even if the government was democratically elected.” – The Great Nadar: The Man Behind the Camera, by Adam Begley – it’s at amazon (they won’t let me link because the page is encrypted!)

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Jake
    , @Carroll Price
  69. How to trigger an Antifa to publicly express their genocidal intent towards THE HISTORIC NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MAJORITY?

    Answer:

    Richard Spencer:”The Alt Right encourages Native Born White American young couples to have large families again…around 10 per Native Born White American couple…”

  70. CCZ says:
    @Wally

    A current WJC petition:

    “Back in September 2015, Dr. Jens-Christian Wagner, the director of the foundation ‘Stiftung Niedersächsische Gedenkstätten’ and of the Bergen-Belsen Memorial, wrote a letter to Google Deutschland calling for the removal of offensive songs by the neo-Nazi band ‘Kommando Freisler’ from YouTube….No action was taken.

    As a member of the World Jewish Congress, American Section, I am calling on Google and YouTube, in the strongest possible terms, to take all necessary steps to live up to your promise and remove, once and for all, this offensive and obscene material that is fueling a dramatic rise in anti-Semitic incidents around the world.

    Google and YouTube must assume corporate responsibility and take a more proactive approach toward alleviating this serious problem. The World Jewish Congress stands ready to assist you in identifying offensive material.”

  71. Rurik says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    The left HAS been successful beyond “endorsing politically correct Free Speech”. They now with little resistance enforce the ever expanding PC speech codes because they own the enforcement apparatus, i.e., the MSM, the courts, the propaganda outlets that make the shaming machinery of popular culture so efficient. They have us self-censoring.

    when I read that Israel was working on biological weapons, I instinctively didn’t even think of the Palestinians. I immediately thought of those of us in the West, for whom, I’ve come to realize they harbor a psychotic malice so all-consuming, so netherworld-like that it transcends anything I can even possibly comprehend. I know that I’ll never be even capable of glimmering that kind of soul-consuming race-hate intellectually, let alone falling victim to it, because that kind of hate is as alien to me as if it were the proclivity of a Martian from outer space.

    But nevertheless I know it exists, because I’ve read of it in the Ukraine in the 30s, and realize I’ve been marinating in it my entire life. So have the Palestinians, so have the Germans. (Especially the Germans)

    So when I heard about the biological weapons program, I winced a bit.

    but then I realized they don’t need it. They’ve figured out an even more sinister weapon. They would simply use what they’ve been using on the Palestinians: ubiquitous, daily, hourly, relentless and caustic and vicious ethnic, cultural, all the way to even existential humiliation

    they would control the airwaves and the radio bands and the print, and with that they would sneer from their media bullhorns: ‘you are evil people!!!’ – so perniciously and relentlessly that eventually some would lose the will to even exist.

    And you see that. What are the white, SJW screeching about ‘white privilege!’ unless they’re self-loathing zombies who’ve been conditioned to their (and their fellow whites) own intractable and congenital wickedness?

    so I realized that they didn’t need biological weapons per se, they’d just use humiliation and vilification and Hollywood and Madison Ave. relentless degradation as a weapon. The biological part would kick in when the females were so thoroughly racially self-loathing and offended by the startling evil of their male counterparts.. that they’d do everything in their power to avoid having an evil spawn.

    And you see this with all the white Hollywood starlets running around with kaleidoscopic broods

    it’s the ultimate virtue signaling

    and it affects women from every niche and corner of the Western world. That is the biological weapon they have in mind, and are using to enormous success. When eventually the turning point happens, and we deplorables are a national voting minority, then things will start to happen very quickly indeed.

    BTW, I followed your link, and read your article, and I must say my hat is off to you sir!

    I could not have said it better, and wow, have you seen them for what they are.

    kudos and cheers

  72. Talha says:
    @Avery

    US residents have an _obligation_ to pay taxes to fund police (…..for protection), but police are not obligated to provide protection to you, the taxpayer.

  73. @Chris Mallory

    Thanks for clarifying.

    Any reasonable person would probably agree that a police officer directly witnessing a violent crime in progress and possessing the means to intervene should do so to protect the victims.

    But I guess my mistake is assuming that the law is reasonable. It would nonetheless be interesting to see this taken to the courts. It seems odd that a full-scale riot can develop due to a poor policing decision and no-one is accountable at any level.

  74. ia says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    That’s an interesting article, but I don’t think the anti-whites are idealogical at all. They are merely responding to the culture of human rights enshrined in the French and American revolutions. The Democrats are simply being practical in their quest for power. They more eagerly serve the human rights god’s demands on believers. The god, it seems, is a black hermaphrodite.

  75. Avery says:
    @iffen

    { I am talking ……. riot by pushing hostile groups into physical contact with each other.}

    Sovereign Immunity.

    Laws for Thee, but not for Me (the Sovereign).
    Sad, but true.

    btw: no one can prove in a court of law, that cops were “pushing hostile groups…..”
    They were, but impossible to prove in court, because cops have so many outs and reasonable “explanations” in a chaotic situation like that.

    The State always covers its ass, and if it can’t – changes the rules.
    You, the individual, the taxpayer – will always lose.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @CalDre
  76. hyperbola says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Oil and the origins of the
    ‘War to make the world safe for Democracy’

    http://www.oilgeopolitics.net/History/Oil_and_the_Origins_of_World_W/oil_and_the_origins_of_world_w.HTM

    At first almost unnoticed after 1850, then with significant intensity after the onset of the Great Depression of 1873 in Britain, the sun began to set on the British Empire. By the end of the 19th Century, though the City of London remained undisputed financier of the world, British industrial excellence was in terminal decline. …..
    …. The conversion of the British Navy under Churchill to oil from coal meant a high risk strategy as England had abundant coal but no then-known oil. It secured a major concession from the Shah of Persia in the early 1900’s. The Baghdad rail link was increasingly seen in London as a threat to precisely this oil security. The British response to the growing German disruption of the European balance of power after the 1890’s was to carefully craft a series of public and secret alliances with France and with Russia—former rivals—to encircle Germany. As well, she deployed a series of less public intrigues to disrupt the Balkans and encourage a revolt against the Ottoman Sultan via the Young Turks that severely weakened the prospects for the German Drang nach Osten. The dynamic of the rise of German assertiveness, including in addition to the Baghdad rail, the decision in 1900 to build a modern navy over two decades that could rival England’s, set the stage for the outbreak of a war in August 1914 whose real significance was a colossal and tragic struggle for who would succeed the ebbing power of the British Empire. The resolution of that epic struggle was to take a second world war and another quarter century before the victor was undeniably established. The role of oil in the events leading to war in 1914 is too little appreciated. When the historical process behind the war is examined from this light a quite different picture emerges. The British Empire in the decades following 1873 and the American Century hegemony in the decades following approximately 1973 have more in common than is generally appreciated….

  77. Ximenes says:
    @lavoisier

    Look at the leftist scum populating the anti-fascist movement who are not wearing masks. They are white people.

    Has it occurred to you that most of the “white people” wearing masks and carrying weapons at antifa campaigns may be Jews?

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @Skeptikal
  78. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    The Charlottsville administration appears rather incompetent in allowing both Antifa and the various White Supremacists to appear in the public square concurrently. I do agree McAuliffe and Co. need to be investigated, principally to discover if their motives were beyond that which can be explained by incompetence.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  79. hyperbola says:
    @anonymous

    Axel Springer Chef : “Ich bin ein Zionist”

    The Israel Lobby in Germany | Freemasonry – Scribd

    https://es.scribd.com/document/236970539/The-Israel-Lobby-in-Germany

    The ProSieben / Sat1 Group, which combines the German TV station ProSieben, Sat.1, Kabel eins, N24, 9Live and which are especially designed for women transmitter Sixx under one roof, is in possession of the Jew Haim Saban. The Axel Springer Foundation, which was part of the Axel Springer AG conducted from 1981 to 2010 by the Jew Ernst Cramer. After Cramer’s death Friede Springer himself took over as CEO. Friede Springer is a Zionist and got 2000 even the Leo Baeck Prize, the highest award of the Central Council of Jews in Germany. CEO of Axel Springer AG is the Zionist Dopfner Matthias, who has held a position at the Aspen Institute Berlin at the same time. The Aspen Institute is an American lobby, which was founded after WW2 propaganda purposes. The Institute is managed by Trustees, the President and CEO is the Jew Walter Isaacson

  80. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    [I imagine....that they are ready to produce for law enforcement on a moment’s notice to demonstrate what bad dudes we are! ]

    I think PG writes the above with tongue firmly in cheek. ADL is not in the business of inculpating anyone for merely exercising their rights of free expression. It is only when views devolve into explicit or potential plans to cause violence that ADL, as do other similar organisations created to aid vigilance of state and federal laws, shares information with law enforcement.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @MarkinLA
    , @RobinG
  81. @Sbaker

    I do not know that if I should believe this.

  82. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Ah, finally, the mask comes off PG’s mug! He is revealed for the white supremacist he is.

    His opposition to a certain shitty nation, makes even more sense now.

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Z-man
  83. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    as do other similar organisations created to aid vigilance of state and federal laws

    Do you mean ones like the $PLC?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  84. Wade says:
    @anonymous

    It was almost certainly scripted. It resembles the Svoboda marches in Ukraine down to the Tiki torches, “Blood and Soil” chants and style of flags that the US to overthrow the president of Ukraine. Watch this:

  85. MarkinLA says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    During Tito’s time ethnic Albanians were allowed to settle into Kosovo – ancient Serbia’s homeland. The Serbs just wanted to hold onto what was always theirs. The US with it’s idiotic nonsense about self-determination decided that anybody could declare themselves independent if they had the votes (of course that doesn’t apply to Crimea).

  86. Corvinus says:

    “As far as I can determine, almost no one knows much about the specific agendas of the various parties that were involved in last week’s fracas in Charlottesville.”

    Yes, we do know about the agendas of the sides involved. You have a group on the hard right, some of whom wore nice clothes and carried tiki torches in an effort to look respectable. Others, however, were armed and ready for a fight. Their collective intention was to excite the opposition by going on the offensive with Nazi and Confederate gear in tow and rhetoric too boot. You have another group on the hard left, who likewise desire a battle royale and who appear to be on the moral high ground by denouncing certain ideas they deem to be other than American. Both groups then cried foul when the police were brought in to control the scene and when they seemingly refused or avoided arresting their opponents–when in reality they took down those individuals regardless of side who clearly broke the law.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  87. MarkinLA says:
    @Sam Shama

    Maybe you forgot those stories during the Obama administration of agencies like the FBI using garbage from the SPLC as part of their training. I imagine they also use garbage from the ADL. When that nonsense becomes part of their training what do you think that does for their investigations?

    https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2014/03/27/no-the-fbi-hasnt-ditched-the-southern-poverty-l/198645

    https://www.adl.org/what-we-do/combat-hate/law-enforcement-partnerships

  88. Corvinus says:
    @ia

    “When you also take into account the rise of blacks and feminism it seems apparent to me it began with the Enlightenment. Human Rights.”

    Damn Locke and Voltaire and the rest of the crew for promoting human kind’s ability to use reason to solve problems and challenge the status quo. The nerve of those white Europeans to make individuals aware of their own talents.

    • Replies: @ia
    , @ia
    , @Not Bob
  89. @geokat62

    Geokat62,

    Thanks for providing this valuable information.

  90. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    “The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority”

    That oft-repeated description of your kind is cute.

    I have another oft-repeated one, for the likes of you;

    The Pagan Polytheist Human Worshipping Spiritual Ciphers.

  91. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    That should be, “The Evil Empire.”

    You’re welcome, and don’t forget to mail that cheque, ok.

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
  92. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Ximenes

    No.

    Some may be, but the majority are your generic braindead easily manipulated white liberal.

  93. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    No I certainly don’t mean the SPLC, an organisation set up to destroy the history and culture of the South. I despise them.

  94. CalDre says:
    @JackOH

    The real Nazis seem to me the other guys–the Left.

    It’s telling that I keep seeing this – referring to the violent Globalists as “Nazis”. No, they are Bolsheviks. But it goes to show how Nazis, who were far less destructive than Bolsheviks, have been demonized and the Bolsheviks whitewashed. By our Star of David MSM.

    The real issue is that the “neo-Nazis” are a small, splintered, powerless group, while the neo-Bolsheviks are on the rise and have a firm grip on most organs of power.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  95. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    What, really?!

    You mean there is still hope that this wretched world can avoid nuclear annihilation?

    Hmm…

    Nah, who are you kidding.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  96. ia says:
    @Corvinus

    White men committed the error of hubris. Nemesis is at hand. Whom the gods wish to destroy they first drive mad.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  97. geokat62 says:

    ADL is not in the business of inculpating anyone for merely exercising their rights of free expression.

    Do you think the ADL was on board with AIPAC’s Israel Anti-Boycott Act?

    Punishment for violating IABA:

    Anyone guilty of violating the prohibitions will face a minimum civil penalty of $250,000 and a maximum criminal penalty of $1 million and 20 years in prison.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  98. geokat62 says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    It’s the same way AIPAC works Congress.

    The same, indeed.

  99. ia says:
    @Corvinus

    The nerve of those white Europeans to make individuals aware of their own talents.

    Blacks have little talent, that’s the problem.

  100. CalDre says:
    @Avery

    Sovereign Immunity.

    Laws for Thee, but not for Me (the Sovereign).

    It’s worth noting that states do not have sovereign immunity for violating citizens’ constitutional rights – a federal statute, 42 USC 1983, provides a right of action.

    I actually wish someone would sue the VA governor and Charlottesville mayor.

    • Replies: @Avery
  101. Rurik says:
    @anonymous

    it isn’t white men who’re diving the world to the brink my friend

    unless you consider this corpulent bag of pus a white man

    I don’t

    Putin and Trump are white men and they’re doing all they can to stop the Eternal WarsⓊ that the ((neocons)) are foisting upon the world’s people

    • Replies: @Jake
  102. @jack ryan

    My whole life I admired mind readers.
    Lacking such capability I must use my brains to find motives.
    Kosovo is the most mineral rich area of Europe.
    The zionist Palestinian conflict is about land, ‘back to Palestine’, after the E European pogroms.
    The Israel Arab conflict is the result of jews stealing land, ethnically cleansing Palestine.
    As Israel refuses any sensible solution of the Palestinian question Isrel is hated by most Muslims, Israel therefore must be one of the most powerful military powers in the world, and must prevent that neighbouring states become a military threat.

  103. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    It’s not within the purview or charter of ADL to overtly insert itself in Congress’ functions. The IABA, an Act of Congress, amends the EXIM Bank Act of 1975 and the Export Administration Act of 1979.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  104. schrub says:

    I just realized that I might have seen a rather revealing late night video that suddenly appeared on my computer screen while browsing around hours a fews hours after after the Charlotteville riot that apparently very few others have seen. It might have been part of a TV news story or it might have been somebody’s video .I forget. Now I can’t seem to find it again.

    It shows a young, thin, masked Antifa guy (girl?) in the midst of this altercation getting in the face of a much bigger and much tougher looking guy in the opposition crowd. (All these Antifa members are masked and dressed identically with a red piece of clothing (shirt?) to identify themselves to one another.

    Suddenly, a big and brawny guy suddenly runs out of the far background and puts his arms around the mid section of the Antifa member in danger. He then lifts the Antifa member up bodily and carries him/her out of the crowd and deposits him/her about fifty or one hundred feet away away, safely out of danger. He then releases the Antifa member and then seems to start berating the much smaller Antifa member for apparently doing something wrong and against orders.

    Then I noticed the printing on the back of this bigger fellow’s yellow tee shirt. It very clearly says JDL and Jewish Defense League on the back. He then turn around and the shirt reveals a Star of David on the front with what appears to be clenched fist in the middle of the star..

    It suddenly occurs to me that he is the one overseeing this one particular Antifa group from the sidelines. He is apparently also there to jump in and defend the Antifa group members if things get out of hand.

    I thought the JDL had been put on the terrorist watch list years ago and put out of business ago after its then leader, Irv Rubin, was convicted and imprisoned for attempting to bomb the office of Congressman Darrel Issa.

    Why did the authorities and MSM deliberately ignore the the JDL’s very visible presence at this rally?

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @RobinG
    , @Corvinus
  105. @hyperbola

    GB now is a third rate country.
    Berlin is the capital of continental Europe.
    GB lost the 1914 1945 war, already in 1956, when Eisenhower ended the GB Israel France conspiracy against Egypt.
    The USA now is in the same situation of GB in 1900, no longer capable of defending the world wide empire.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  106. iffen says:
    @anonymous

    finally, the mask comes off

    The mask? The mask? LOL

    Seriously, just because one worries about what dem Jews are up to doesn’t make one a white supremacist.

    Anyway, I’m not sure he’s a bona fide anti-Semite. I think he might be sincerely worried about what some of dem Jews are up to.

    I am not sure he has expressed opposition to the existence of Israel, just its policy vis-a-vis the US and the behavior of some Jews and others (here’s looking at you Evangelicals, including philosophical Evangelicals like me).

    • Replies: @RobinG
  107. Sam Shama says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    [it's the same way AIPAC works Congress]

    Is that an innuendo suggesting AIPAC blackmails Congressmen? Is there any evidence of this [other than the usual conspiracy themed speculations one can hardly be unfamiliar with when UR columns are read with any regularity]?

  108. JackOH says:
    @CalDre

    I should have been more clear that I meant something like “Nazi-like” in the Left’s unscrupulously taking the Charlottesville incident and grossly magnifying it to push its agenda. Agree that both the historical Bolsheviks and Nazis were “by-whatever-means-necessary” slobs.

    BTW-Why haven’t our mainstream media folks bothered to ask: “What happens, or what’s supposed to happen, after all those statues come down?” This is looking like the gratuitous destruction of civic memory to me, and I’ve yet to hear a media bobblehead mention that.

  109. Avery says:
    @CalDre

    {It’s worth noting that states do not have sovereign immunity for violating citizens’ constitutional rights – a federal statute, 42 USC 1983, provides a right of action.}

    Give me one example of an someone (an individual) having used 42 USC 1983 to have successfully sued a State or local official.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @CalDre
  110. eah says:

    Charlottesville has a liberal Democratic mayor named Mike Signer

    He’s also a Jew — if you don’t think that’s relevant, talk to Andrew Joyce or Kevin MacDonald.

    • Replies: @eah
  111. MarkinLA says:
    @Sam Shama

    It’s not within the purview or charter of ADL to overtly insert itself in Congress’ functions.

    What has that got to do with anything? Everything depends on the leadership of the ADL and what they want to do at any given moment.

  112. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama

    “ADL is not in the business of inculpating anyone for merely exercising their rights of free expression.”

    Surely you jest. You think the ADL isn’t working to criminalize BDS and other criticism of Israel? Is ADL not involved in censoring SJP on campuses? Tentacles, man. Tentacles. The US 1st Amend. tops the Israel-firsters’ hit list.

  113. eah says:
    @eah

  114. @Wizard of Oz

    What’s your authority for being such a pompous ass?

  115. @Sam Shama

    Ycch! From Scranton, I can smell another one of Sam the Sham’s regular emmissions of pure (non-innuendo) sulfur.

    The E.P.A. should list hasbara indoctrination as hazardous to human mental health.

    Selah.

  116. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Any word of truth on any matter of any momentum can be published only where the readers already know it, and nowhere else.

    Unfortunate.

  117. Rurik says:
    @schrub

    Why did the authorities and MSM deliberately ignore the the JDL’s very visible presence at this rally?

    I’m shocked, shocked

  118. @Greg Bacon

    Lindsey Graham definitely has an interest in the whole man-boy love thing they’ve got going on in Afghanistan.

  119. RobinG says:
    @iffen

    So in your book, opposition to the [as it's currently constructed] existence of Israel is de facto proof of anti-Semitism? Zion Über Alles!!

    • Replies: @iffen
  120. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    Is that an innuendo suggesting AIPAC blackmails Congressmen?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  121. RobinG says:
    @Avery

    There’s always a first time. I know one Black retired Police Major who has stated publicly that the police (all branches) behaved improperly in C’ville. Reputedly, at least one cop has stated they were ordered to stand down, and were not happy about it. Anyone who can impartially separate 1st amend. rights from the emotional claptrap can see this. Unite the Right needs to get a good lawyer.

  122. Not Bob says:
    @Corvinus

    Haven’t read Locke.

    Voltaire it seems, like Hillary Clinton, had different “public and private” positions. In his private writings, Enlightenment was possible only for his wealthy white male friends. Black men were referred to as “les animaux negres”, able to talk but barely able to think. Women (and peasants) did not fare much better in his opinion. Never mind Jews.

    In his basically brown-nosing letters to the nobilty of Europe, he displayed his contempt for the deplorables, and talked about the necessity of lying to create the public persona of the Great Humanist, epecially the use of the Big Lie, repeated often.

    This attitude was not exclusive to Voltaire. In the earliest editions of L’ Encyclopedie the articles about Humanism, Diderot, et al, included this kind of thing. For example, an article on Africa from that period (1750′s) describes the natives as having little in the way of thoughts, and Benin and Angola as a good sources for gold, Blacks, and other commodities.

    If you read French, I refer you to Xavier Martin’s “Naissance du sous-homme au coeur des Lumieres”. The “high ideals” were promoted by cynical pretenders, mostly for their own financial and public benefit. If Voltaire’s private views were more available today, he would be vilified as racist, misogynist, anti-Semitic, go down the list. Instead, he is in the Pantheon. Propaganda does work.

    I understand that the ideals themselves can be separated from the writers, and am not commenting on the application, benefits, demerits or possible “cherry picking” of those ideals. But it can be shown that the “originators” of these ideals did not, in fact, believe they should or could be applied to everyone. They were just like “public thinkers” of our time who are mostly interested in advancing their bank accounts.

  123. RobinG says:
    @schrub

    JEWISH DEFENSE LEAGUE was in ANTIFA in CHARLOTTESVILLE

    Thanks, schrub. Let’s look out for the video you describe in comment #105.

  124. Z-man says:

    In NYC rumblings of removing the Columbus statue are being heard in the hard left City Council. I wonder what DeBlasio would do? Not to mention what would they call the sans Columbus Circle? Indigenous Square? LOL!!

  125. Corvinus says:
    @ia

    “White men committed the error of hubris. Nemesis is at hand. Whom the gods wish to destroy they first drive mad.”

    So God didn’t make His people in His image? You know, the ability to use reason and improve society And in what ways did the Enlightenment thinkers demonstrate excessive pride? Do you even fathom their contribution to the evolvement of humankind?

    “Blacks have little talent, that’s the problem.”

    Actually, the problem is your anti-human, anti-Christian attitude toward your fellow person.

    • Replies: @ia
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  126. Z-man says:
    @anonymous

    You right about that ‘certain nation’ being shitty!

  127. Corvinus says:
    @schrub

    “It very clearly says JDL and Jewish Defense League on the back. He then turn around and the shirt reveals a Star of David on the front with what appears to be clenched fist in the middle of the star.”

    Find the video and share it with us. Now, assuming it to be true….BOO. A Jew was at a rally. OMG, what is the world going to come to! Your fixation is duly noted.

  128. Jake says:
    @ia

    No, the rise of the ‘bohemian class’ was not by Jews. The first feminist conference was a 100% WASP thing. No Jews, no Irish or Italians or Poles or Russians. 100% WASP.

    Abolitionism likewise was not a Jewish thing. Abolitionism was a WASP thing. It wasn’t Jews in the 1850s talking about the need to slaughter large numbers of whites to uplift the Negro; it was WASPs.

    The Revolution against Western Civilization began with the Reformation, which required people to despise most of the past 1500 years of European history. The justification for the revolution was that the Church for 1500 years was wrong about everything important, which necessarily means that all prior culture was at best suspect and easily dismissible. The most fervent Protestants produced groups that quickly became anti-intellectual and anti-high culture, for those things were Catholic.

    For the Reformation to justify itself, it always had to denigrate almost all of 1500 years of European culture.

    And yes, Jews did play a major role in that. Jews often printed Protestant broadsides, sometimes at cost and many times are minimal profit. Many Jews did see the Reformation as ideal for Jews.

    Specific to our world, Anglo-Saxon Puritianism was a Judaizing heresy, and as soon as Cromwell gained control of government and beheaded the king, he made alliance with Jews, taking their money in loans and allowing Jews back into England. Cromwell allied the WASP Elites with Jews against the vast majority of the natives of the British Isles.

    All Anglophone history has been the playing out of the implications of that deal.

    Post WW2, Jews began to take control of that partnership. But the senior partner who started the firm is the WASP.

  129. Corvinus says:
    @Not Bob

    The Enlightenment thinkers primary contributions that liberty is a natural human right and that reason and scientific knowledge—not the state or the church—was responsible for human progress was a blessing and a curse. A blessing, because these ideas were used to eventually destroy the institution of slavery. A curse, because Enlightenment thought served as a rationale for its implementation and expansion, based on a hierarchy of races.

    “If Voltaire’s private views were more available today, he would be vilified as racist, misogynist, anti-Semitic, go down the list. Instead, he is in the Pantheon. Propaganda does work.”

    He was a product of his times. One must properly view his thoughts in that particular manner. The Enlightenment Thinkers believed these ideas could be applied to ALL men, which in their world was white. Africans and tribal groups were considered savages–other than men. So naturally, but falsely, they would think life, liberty, and property were concepts these two groups could not fully grasp.

    “They were just like “public thinkers” of our time who are mostly interested in advancing their bank accounts.”

    So how much coin did the Enlightenment thinkers get for their thoughts? Pennies or pounds? Did they become wealthy for being a “huckster”?

    • Replies: @ia
  130. @jilles dykstra

    I should acknowledge occasional unambiguous agreement, so I do.

  131. Ron Unz says:

    I left this comment on Steve blog, but it’s actually even more appropriate here…

    The America’s Great Diversitarian Cultural Revolution has finally reached California!

    The front-page of this morning’s SF Chronicle carried a big story about a new drive being launched in San Francisco to cleanse the city and probably the entire state of any memorials to vile Spanish heritage:

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/SF-is-facing-its-own-battle-over-controversial-11948403.php

    Presumably, all the names of the major cities like SF, Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Jose will be changed to less triggering names such as Quetzalcoatl or Lumumba or Malcolm X. I’d assume that all the surviving missions will also need to be knocked down or converted into Holocaust Memorials.

    After all, the Spaniards were almost as evil as the Nazis or the Confederates…

  132. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    Were the millions killed and imprisoned between 1917 and 1955 in the Soviet Union crisis actors in some elaborate American intelligence operation?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  133. @Sam Shama

    I doubt if he’s referring to regular use of the equivalent of criminal blackmail but the standard donor lobbyists’ actual or veiled threat to support an opponent in the primaries or election unless various lines are toed would surely be likely to be supported by indications that certain things were known – even without a good capitalist bonus system for Congressional behaviour outcomes.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  134. @hyperbola

    Thank you for that link and quote. A thought about the 1873 reference to GB’s relative decline. What do you think of the importance of the US also having gone into a long economic depression at about the same time? Did that affect GB greatly but not Germany? Also what might have been the importance of differential demographics? Didn’t Protestant British (starting with the upper middle class) start limiting their families from about that date? By contrast even Hitler still had enough young Germans to think Lebensraum was necessary.

  135. Alden says:
    @Ron Unz

    Remember when Norman Lear’s Freedom From Religion Foundation pressured Los Angeles County to remove the microscopic cross from the county seal?

    The joke then was the next anti Catholic move would be to change the Saint named cities, counties colleges, hospitals etc to secular ones. It was a joke then, but it’s happening.

    Latest insanity from the UK is a movement to knock down all the statues of Admiral Lord Nelson on the grounds that he oppressed minorities.

    As far as I know, the only people Nelson oppressed were the French and the reluctant allies of Napoleon Bonaparte. Story is in the guardian.

    Newspapers should be abolished on the grounds of separation of church and state. After all, one of the first newspapers in early modern times was published in Paris as a project of Cardinal Richelieu.

  136. geokat62 says:

    Is that an innuendo suggesting AIPAC blackmails Congressmen? Is there any evidence of this…?

    As one of my previous comments indicates, it’s a bit of both:

    This is how the game is played: through the power of The Lobby, the USG has entered into an MOU with the Zionist state to “share” signal intelligence that is collected on all US citizens. And to mitigate against the risk of blackmail, the MOU stipulates that should the Israelis come across information on high level USG officials, they will immediately destroy it.**

    Ever wonder why some congress people – Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Dennis Hastert, Jan Schakowsky, etc. – are passionate defenders of the Zionist state?… now you know.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents

    ** Here is the exact wording taken from the MOU:

    IV. (U) RESPONSIBILITIES

    b. (U) ISNU shall:

    7) (U//FOUO) Destroy upon recognition any communication contained in raw SIGINT provided by NSA that is either to or from an official of the U.S. Government. “U.S. Government officials” include officials of the Executive Branch (including the White House, Cabinet Departments, and independent agencies); the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate (members and staff); and the U.S. Federal Court system (including, but not limited to, the Supreme Court). “Officials” include civilian and military members and employees performing the official business of these branches of government, and is independent of seniority or position.

    Do you think the Israelis might’ve had their fingers crossed when they entered into this non-legally binding agreement?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  137. Jake says:
    @Rurik

    These endless wars are the contemporary conflicts of the British Empire, The US took over for the dying Empire, so that the WASP worldview would control the globe. So, yes, it is white men who are responsible.

    WASPs made Jews their junior partners in first running roughshod over the vast majority of British isles natives and then of the world. It is only in recent decades that Jews have replaced WASPs as the more important partner in the Anglo-Zionist empire.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  138. Alden says:
    @Ron Unz

    But will millions of tourists and conventioneers want to visit “West Bay City”?

  139. @jilles dykstra

    Thank you. Maybe doesn’t quite get the story back to pre WW1 but hyperbola’s link does serve as a reminder that oil was being though about by some at least from the time of the conversion of the navy from coal. It seems unlikely that this would have led to much thought of breaking up the rather decrepit Hapsburg empire before WW1. (It does occur to me that the thoughts of the highminded who had supported revolt against the Turks for a long time might have made logical extensions of their thinking to Austria-Hungary).

  140. Jake says:
    @Ron Unz

    The Spanish conquered the Aztecs, who were nature-loving egalitarians in that wonderful Native American way. So yes, the Spanish were EVIL! Evil white men who must be eradicated from history save as evil villains.

  141. iffen says:
    @RobinG

    So in your book, opposition to the [as it's currently constructed] existence of Israel is de facto proof of anti-Semitism?

    More or less, but I am open to rational explanations as to why that is not true in general or in particular. I make some exceptions, for example, some Palestinians and their descendants that were expelled or exiled during its creation would get some sympathy from me on Jew hating.

  142. CalDre says:
    @Avery

    One example? There are literally tens of thousands of “civil rights” cases that have been brought under Section 1983. Here are Supreme Court cases decided under that statute – almost 2,000 cases and the Supreme Court hears less than 1% of appeals (never mind cases that settle before or after trial court judgment or appellate review). Most of these “settlements” you hear about regarding police brutality are brought under 42 USC 1983. Here is a brief primer.

    Also lots of First Amendment cases have been brought under 1983 – not just free speech but those cases that object to prayer in school or a cross on a Christmas tree. This attorney specializes in free speech cases under 1983.

    • Replies: @Avery
  143. iffen says:
    @Jake

    The Revolution against Western Civilization began with the Reformation…The most fervent Protestants produced groups…

    Dang, just how many times do those Germanic tribes get to collapse Western Civilization?

    • Replies: @Jake
  144. @Rurik

    Rurik,

    A question –
    Does that bear hail from secret duty on a (private) hasbara-owned horse ranch?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  145. JackOH says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, the ideologically sound New American Man has been in the making for close to two generations. Those of us who didn’t get the memo, well, we’re the folks going bat-crap crazy commenting here.

  146. ia says:
    @Corvinus

    I invite you to one-year trip to Kinshasa, paid by me. Or if not that how about Mecca? You live with humanity for one year. You can report back on the humane and pro-Christian treatment you recieve and dispense.Whata ya say?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  147. Avery says:
    @CalDre

    You are throwing out a lot chaff.
    You did a Google search on “42 USC 1983″ and it threw out a lot non related stuff.

    Here is one from that list:
    [Heck v. Humphrey, 512 US 477 - Supreme Court 1994]
    [This case presents the question whether a state prisoner may challenge the constitutionality of his conviction in a suit for damages under 42 U. S. C. § 1983.]

    Yeah, it mentions the U.S.C. code: So?…..Unrelated legalese gobbledygook.

    Again: find one case where an individual or group of individuals prevailed against the State in circumstances substantially similar to the Charlottesville situation.

    The original post argued for one or more individuals to sue the State and the City for “failure….”.
    And I argued that it can’t be done in practice, because the State, the City, the Police have too many escape clauses built in a priori.

    {Also lots of First Amendment cases …….This attorney specializes in free speech cases under 1983.}

    Yeah, OK: have that attorney bring a 1st amendment suit against the State and the City, see how far it will go.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  148. ia says:
    @Jake

    Rereading my comment I see I didn’t make it plain that of course Jews played no part in early liberalism or bohemianism. I meant they jumped on long after whites started the ball rolling. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. Writing is not my strong suit.

  149. ia says:
    @Jake

    Mary Wollstonecraft is considered the first feminist with her Vindication of the Rights of Woman (1792):

    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wollstonecraft/

    She was the mother of Mary Shelley author of Frankenstein.

    Wollstonecraft was intimately involved with the Enlightenment figures such as the Reverend Price who influenced Jefferson and Franklin.

    • Replies: @Jake
  150. ia says:
    @Corvinus

    “If Voltaire’s private views were more available today, he would be vilified as racist, misogynist, anti-Semitic, go down the list. Instead, he is in the Pantheon. Propaganda does work.”

    Another monument taken down. How many more? I’d say thousands. Tens of thousands,

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  151. Corvinus says:
    @ia

    “I invite you to one-year trip to Kinshasa, paid by me. Or if not that how about Mecca? You live with humanity for one year.”

    I would, as I have traveled abroad everywhere. Alas, I have a family and a job. And there is a consistent civil strife in the Congo, it would not make sense for outsiders to travel there. Maybe you have a death wish…

    Saudi Arabia is not as bad as you think. You proudly wear that anti-humanity dunce cap.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/before-you-go/why-expat-life-in-saudi-arabia-is-more-fun-than-you-might-think/

    • Replies: @ia
  152. notice says:

    If white people would like to help downtrodden whites prosper and have larger families (a white birthrate of 3 children per female for a couple of generations), I think a sort of antipoverty organization dedicated to whites mentoring younger whites and transmitting life skills and some trade skills would be a better way to accomplish this than what we are seeing.

    • Agree: Talha
  153. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    Were the millions killed and imprisoned between 1917 and 1955 in the Soviet Union crisis actors in some elaborate American intelligence operation?

    in a way, yes.
    US first looked the other way, then gave political and financial support for Soviet Union genocide.
    they weren’t acting. the poor people peasants & kulaks — Christians — died for real.

  154. ia says:
    @Corvinus

    You think you’re the only one who’s been overseas?

    The author of the Saudi piece:

    “Neil Bunting, the author of this article, with his wife Wija”

    LOL. Are you another rather wimpy looking westerner who found love elsewhere, Corvinus?

  155. Skeptikal says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Yes, it is decidedly interesting and worth noting how the concepts such as nationalism change their spots. What is right an dgood in one era suddenly lbecomes evil in the next. I guess it all depends on how the elites see their bread buttered.

    One of Churchill’ s main strategic goals with WWI was the breakup of the Ottoman Empire and a land grab for Brits and French. Screw the Arabs! Jews had been in pretty good shape in the Ott. Empire. They could move to Palestine if they wanted to and could buy land. But they, and the Brits, completely sidelined the Palestinian Arabs’ nationalistic aspirations. In fact, all of the Arabs.
    Perfidious Albion!!!

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  156. Skeptikal says:
    @Ximenes

    Yep, I reckon so. That thought occurred to me, too.

  157. Jake says:
    @iffen

    So far, Germanics have played definitive, decisive, roles in 2 destructions of Western Civilization: the one that produced the Dark Ages and the one we are experiencing.

    Unless culturally Germanic peoples are significantly Latinized, Romanized, by liturgy and scholarship, they will move toward cultural destruction. They will a-Viking Western civilization to death. And in the late stages, they will exhibit total desire for cultural and racial suicide: the Germanic Gotterdammerung.

    That pattern is as sure as are the patterns of blacks, Jews, and Arabs.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  158. Skeptikal says:
    @iffen

    Oh, dear, what have we here?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  159. Skeptikal says:
    @Sam Shama

    I don’t think the Antifa protesters were “allowed” in the square.
    They had no permit.
    They weren’t “allowed” to be anywhere around there and should have been made to disperse and go somewhere else, with force if necessary (I mean to be made to go somewhere else to hold their protest).
    The police do this all the time.
    “Cage” protesters to avoid problems they foresee.
    So, WFT, C’ville Police???

    McAuliffe definitely had a hand in this “standing down.”

  160. Jake says:
    @ia

    The first Feminist conference in America was in 1848 in Seneca falls, NY. And almost all the (WASP only) women present knew Mary Wollstonecraft’s work well.

    Mary Wallstonecraft’s husband was William Godwin. Godwin was a forerunner of utilitarianism (a quintessentially British philosophy that is antithetical to Christianity) and one of the earliest anarchists. He was that typical Anglo-Saxon type who seemed to have high IQ and yet be oblivious to the fact that his good intentions in the hands of other could lead to Hell.

    Godwin I see as a standard example of how Calvinist thought deeply practiced produces a great deal of atheism by the third or fourth generation.

  161. geokat62 says:

    Seems like the ball of yarn is unraveling faster than expected.

    Excerpt from Jews argue whether Zionism is racism — in the Forward!

    The best news is that the Forward, America’s leading liberal Jewish publication, published a piece by Naomi Dann of Jewish Voice for Peace last week equating Zionism with racism. That’s revolutionary. Time was when that argument was made by Arabs at the United Nations and then stifled as supposed anti-Semitism. Now it’s in the Forward, from the mouth of a Jew!

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/08/whether-zionism-forward/

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  162. CalDre says:
    @Avery

    My initial response was to your claim about “sovereign immunity” and citizens not being able to sue governments, and I replied to that particular claim with the response that States and government officials can be sued for constitutional violations under 42 USC 1983. To which you replied:

    Give me one example of an someone (an individual) having used 42 USC 1983 to have successfully sued a State or local official.

    And I gave lots of examples.

    Now, you’ve done an attempted switcheroo, asking for a case where someone won a judgment for a cop refusing to uphold the law. Well, given that tens of thousands of published Section 1983 decisions, I’m not about to review them all, though I do recall reading about a case where an officer was held liable for failure to protect.

    But I don’t think that is the case here. Here there is testimony from cops stating they were ordered to march the protesters and counter-protesters together and to “stand down” when the fisticuffs began. That’s not a failure to intervene, that’s deliberately provoking violence. If I were a Virginia litigator I would take that case, assuming I could confirm some of these claims. Moreover, there is a claim against the city for banning the rally before it took place, after a federal court had ordered the permit to be issued.

    Aside from the free speech issue, there’s the issue of equal protection of the laws. The city banned a lawfully authorized protest by peaceful people (after banning it the first time and having a federal court overrule him) but permitted an unlawful gathering of Commie thugs, not only in general, but specifically at the place where the other protest was occurring.

    There is plenty of evidence to support all this, and in the end, a jury decides who is guilty. But even if there is not enough evidence, the point is, if the police did intentionally use third parties to suppress free speech, the third parties are deemed to be “operating under color of state law” and hence they and the police would be legally liable.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Skeptikal
  163. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Wiz,
    my question was prompted by this line:
    I imagine they have dossiers on both you and me and on many others who write into this site“. Dossiers are highly suggestive of blackmail, aren’t they?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  164. Redman says:
    @Chris Dakota

    Trump has given away a lot with his new Afghan policy. But there’s no way to call something a false flag at that level without proof.

    It may be true. And in C’ville it was likely the case. But to call it that opens Trump up to a whole other level of attack. He showed balls attacking the media for their blatant bias. Can’t expect much more.

  165. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    This is nothing more than a description of a partner-competitor dynamic between the allied intelligence agencies; a state of affairs which has always existed, between US/European, US/Far Eastern and US/ME allied services. To say nothing of the strict constitutional protections not discarded; it strengthens not a bit the highly speculative and libellous charge you make without evidence – of Congressmen being blackmailed.

  166. @Sam Shama

    I would agree that PG got very close to unambiguously accusing them of blackmail but I don’t think the word “dossier” is the key to that. The info that all political parties, including video and audio clips, transcripts of interviews and voting records could properly be described as dossiers. Mind you slips in the voting record could be just as good for blackmail (non-technical sense) as slips in the mistress’s bathroom.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  167. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    [some Palestinians and their descendants that were expelled or exiled during its creation would get some sympathy from me on Jew hating.]

    Yes, I can see it as well. Note nevertheless, around 800k Middle Eastern Jews were driven from Arab countries who found sanctuary in Israel.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries

    • Replies: @iffen
  168. Avery says:
    @CalDre

    {And I gave lots of examples.}

    The examples you gave had nothing to do with Charlottesville.
    We are discussing Sovereign Immunity in the case of Charlottesville.

    And _you_ did’t give any relevant examples: just a bunch of cases that had the string “42 USC 1983″ in them. Totally irrelevant to Charlottesville, as I showed you with one case from _your_ list about a prisoner. Anybody can throw a string at Google and then list the results: useless.
    Waste of time.

    The “sovereign immunity” clause is applicable, because you (i.e. the plaintiff) will be arguing that the State, or the City, or the Police should or should not have done something or other.
    It won’t go anywhere, because everybody in authority and dozens and dozens of “experts” will testify that the police and City officials acted in a way to maintain peace, maintain order, etc, etc, etc.
    And the fact that some cop said this or that is immaterial: for every cop that says something against the City, the City will bring dozens of cops of all levels to debunk them.

    And how many cops do you think will risk their careers to testify on behalf of people who have already been painted as ‘Nazis’, ‘White Supremacists’, ‘KKK’ ?

    Again, if you think the plaintiffs have a case, then, find one case that is substantially similar to Charlottesville and where the plaintiff won the case against Sovereign Immunity.

    btw: the State is already going after at least one guy from the so-called “Alt-right”.
    (Guess why)
    An arrest warrant has been issued for one Cantwell. The warrant is for two counts of illegal use of tear gas and one count of “malicious bodily injury by means of any caustic substance or agent,”

    • Replies: @CalDre
    , @CalDre
    , @fnn
  169. @anonymous

    Blood and Soil (really?!) Well silly me. I thought it was a reference to Spengler’s The Decline of the West because Spengler came real close to nailing it.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  170. Sam Shama says:
    @Ron Unz

    None of this nonsense is likely to see the light of day in NYC. New Yorkers will never tolerate GWB, Columbus Circle etc being renamed.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  171. Sam Shama says:
    @Skeptikal

    Should we be upset His Majesty’s Govt of the period, pushed aside the Turks and Arabs from inheriting all of the Middle East? After all haven’t we noticed what superb nation builders Arabs have been during the period since?

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  172. Corvinus says:
    @ia

    “The author of the Saudi piece: “Neil Bunting, the author of this article, with his wife Wija”

    So? How has his decision personally affected your life?

    “LOL. Are you another rather wimpy looking westerner who found love elsewhere, Corvinus?”

    First, my bride is American. Second, you do realize that you just dissed Derbyshire, an Alt Right hero, with your comment. Third, you assume that it is other than manly for a man of the West to marry outside of their race and/or culture. Finally, your ignorance is telling.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  173. Corvinus says:
    @ia

    “Another monument taken down. How many more? I’d say thousands. Tens of thousands.”

    You are hyperventilating. Here is a virtual brown paper bag.

  174. CalDre says:
    @Avery

    {And I gave lots of examples.}

    The examples you gave had nothing to do with Charlottesville.
    We are discussing Sovereign Immunity in the case of Charlottesville.

    No, we weren’t. Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suite, I understand. No worries. You made a claim about “sovereign immunity”, which I easily debunked. End of story.

    The string “42 USC 1983″ is relevant because they are largely cases brought against sovereigns. And it’s not just a “string”, it’s a reference to a statute (indeed, a statute that removes sovereign immunity), something you apparently don’t know, sad as that is.

    Again, if you think the plaintiffs have a case, then, find one case that is substantially similar to Charlottesville and where the plaintiff won the case against Sovereign Immunity.

    WTF? There’s not even an event that is “substantially similar to Charlottesville”. And I’m certainly not conducting legal research for you for free – $500/hr might convince me.

    And you are simply again demonstrating that you have not even the slightest clue what “sovereign immunity” means. There is no sovereign immunity for violating constitutional rights. As to your point about a “blue wall” and the like, as I noted, with my references, police lose these cases all the time. One example: Abner Louima. Yeah, it’s hard to win cases against any large, well-funded organization. But that has nothing whatsoever to do with “sovereign immunity”.

    • Replies: @Avery
  175. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Agreed. I suppose one might call “dossier” records such as those you mention regarding Congressmen; yet here, the dossiers were asserted to be on columnists and commentators as well – many of the latter no more significant than feral animals really, ones which choose boorish uninvited responses to our posts. I hardly believe ADL has any worse items on its agenda than keeping dossiers on crotchety old bus drivers or inconsequential and hysterical ne’er-do-wells.

  176. CalDre says:
    @Avery

    Cantwell is a revolting narcissist with absolutely no redeeming quality, probably an agent (as I refuse to believe a genuine person could be such a total POS). And the sooner he gets as far away from being presented as in any way representing anything other than the CIA, George Soros or his pathetic self, the better. In the event he actually is independent, the Globalists could not dream up a better “opponent”.

    His arrest warrant doesn’t prove a thing. Could be the CIA trying to improve his street creds (seems the charge is rather baseless). But no matter what, he is a pathetic POS.

  177. fnn says:
    @Avery

    It won’t go anywhere, because everybody in authority and dozens and dozens of “experts” will testify that the police and City officials acted in a way to maintain peace, maintain order, etc, etc, etc.

    That would take quite a bit of twisted Talmudic reasoning given that the fuzz did precisely the opposite. But I defer to your superior knowledge.

    • Replies: @Avery
  178. Mr. Giraldi, I’m a huge fan of your articles and I had personally hoped that the president would have appointed you as director of the CIA with the express orders to clean it up. I’ve always been drawn to your use of humor in your articles, and I am a proud African American who was drawn to your articles because you shared many of my opinions on the Obama presidency. I liked the way you published your thoughts on his presidency without resulting in name calling and trying to diminish his presidency because of race(much respect). I write this article however saddened by your closing sentence. I’m in agreement with most of your article and point of view. I think you drove home your point. As you well know there’s much more to domestic and racial politics in America. I wish you would have left the Tubman quote out of the article, I do understand your frustration. In the future I hope you stay the class act you have been so far, even if I disagree with your arguments. I would love to continue to read your articles.

  179. @Not Bob

    Locke here (brown nosing was the norm of the day)

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/04/03/john-locke/

    The ‘pantheon’

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/04/06/perverts-of-western-philosophy/

    My favorite going to today’s ‘ethical’ theory:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/04/06/david-hume/

    The main (shared) characteristic of the ‘age of enlightenment’ philosophers seems to have been complicated circumlocutions intended to bury the inherent contradictions in their positions -

  180. @Ron Unz

    I’d be up for rewriting-strengthening a history of the Spanish missions, e.g. they could rename Carmel by the Sea ‘Misión de los pedófilos’ for a recent Catholic saint:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/04/22/junipero-serra/

    Not really pc though ;)

  181. @Sam Shama

    Can you point to the equivalent completeness of unfiltered coverage and reliance on undertakings amongst the Five Eyes countries?

    On the face of it, unless the arrangement with Israel is just boilerplate wording I would regard it as naive to believe that one of DC’s most powerful lobbies doesn’t use it to control USG people found to have dirty secrets. Why wouldn’t they?

    If it is just boilerplate and there is no real likelihood of misuse of SIGINT it is probably because of something we don’t know about the whole operation; e.g. what is collected, or some sort of regular checking for embarrassing material which may have been picked up because of lack of realtime filtering and which is somehow neutralised.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  182. @iffen

    What about opposition to Israel remaining permanently as a Jewish state? After all Tony Judt was one of those.

    • Replies: @iffen
  183. @Jake

    I think you have tossed this off from imperfect memory flavoured by preconception. This thought became hard to resist when you wrote “as soon as Cromwell gained control of the government [scil.1649] …. he made alliance with the Jews….allowing the Jews back into England”. The Jews (apart from Crypto Jews, see link below) were – quite informally only – allowed back into England about September 1956. Cromwell died in September 1958.

    See http://www.fupress.net/index.php/cromohs/article/view/13673/12738

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  184. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Talleyrand

    I doubt that many of the torch bearers have read that book (nor have I), but my point is that the video of the Friday night march looks staged. Several others here have agreed.

    Do you have any opinion about that?

  185. geokat62 says:

    This is nothing more than a description of a partner-competitor dynamic between the allied intelligence agencies

    Dissembling 24/7. Looking forward to your response to Wiz’s query in #186. Unfortunately, I anticipate more dissembling.

  186. @jack ryan

    I also attended Vanderbilt University (in the 80′s) and have witnessed the descent into its current state of diversity worshipping, politically correct admission policies. I know of several fellow alums whose children were denied admission despite academic records that should have easily merited acceptance. This has been a great disappointment to many families. One good friend, after two of his children were denied admission said to me, “I enjoyed my time at Vanderbilt, but the school is dead to me.”

    Not so ironically, Vanderbilt was ahead of the curve in regards to the hysteria over removing any symbols of or any commemoration of the Old South. A building on the school’s Peabody School of Education campus was known as Confederate Memorial Hall. It’s now known as Memorial Hall. Seems as if the diversity was offended, and “Confederate” had to be chiseled into oblivion. This happened a few years ago.

    My question now is: Where will the line be drawn? And more importantly, by whom?

  187. Skeptikal says:
    @Sam Shama

    My main point was this:
    “Yes, it is decidedly interesting and worth noting how the concepts such as nationalism change their spots. What is right and good in one era suddenly becomes evil in the next. I guess it all depends on how the elites see their bread buttered. ”

    The rest of my post was more or less meant as an example of changes in how empires/nations were/are viewed. (As an advocate of Palestinian rights, I just stuck in a few points on that situ.)

    My info on the Ottoman Empire was meant as an addendum to the point about the Hapsburg Empire made in the previously linked post, by Dykstra. Then, the breakup of empire and creation of nations; now, the suppression of nations/sovereignty in favor of “empire” (EU; USA empire).

    Of course #1 it is quite possible, if not probable, that the idea then was that nations would be easier to control than empires, no matter how shambolic. Of course #2, shambolic empires are/were veerrrry tempting to other empire builders, including their corporate “nations” such as the Anglo-Persian Oil Co. and the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co. (a.k.a. British Petroleum).

  188. @Sam Shama

    Hey Sam the Sham,

    As you know, AIPAC takes possession of U.S. Congress by the implementation of a fiendish business plan that is on record in The Book of Genesis, Chapter 3.

    To plain spokenly summarize the matter, AIPAC’s perpetual covenant with ambitious Congressmen is this: Eat from The Lobby vine and you are mine!

    People like ex-Rep. Cynthia McKinney refused and she was dispatched to ZUSA’s paradise-in-reverse “garden” door.

    Post scriptum to geokat: Having foolishly launched a libel charge against you, the Shammy has demonstrated his affinity for the ancient “Serpent” modus operandi.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  189. @Corvinus

    Yeah, but is she (your wife) white? Not that I really care, but you’re the cuck, not me. And interesting you’d hail a philo-Semite like Derb as a “hero” of the alt-Right.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  190. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    around 800k Middle Eastern Jews were driven from Arab countries

    Yes, I can see the injustice done to both ME Jews and Palestinians. The fact remains that the creation of Israel precipitated both expulsions.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  191. iffen says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    What about opposition to Israel remaining permanently as a Jewish state?

    I don’t consider myself as having a dog in the fight except as it spills over into the foreign policy of the US. The Israelis can do as they please with regard to the Jewishness question (problem). I would be a little perturbed considering all the human suffering that has gone into its creation. I have the same feelings toward Germany and some of the other European states. Millions died and suffered and endured forced migrations into order to get to some semblance of ethnic nation states and now they are haphazardly destroying the whole project.

    Of course the burr under the saddle for many here are diaspora Jews who support globalism for all countries except Israel.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  192. KenH says:

    White supremacist and Nazi is a loaded term that just means any white person who doesn’t despise their own race and heritage and welcome the prospect of dispossession and genocide. Therefore, if the “white supremacists” at the Unite the Right rally are guilty of anything it was believing that they can advocate for their racial interests like every non-white groups is allowed and encouraged to do by the (((media))) and government.

    The Unite the Right applied for and received a permit from the city of Charlottesville, worked with the city authorities and took every precaution necessary to ensure it was a peaceful rally. They did everything right. The city reneged on the deal then forced the rally goers to walk through a gauntlet of violent antifa counter protesters which forced rally goers to protect themselves which the media spin doctors made into “Nazi violence” in keeping with the template.

    My takeaways are:
    1) Since the (((establishment))) can’t circumscribe the first amendment or legally intimidate people who express non-PC opinions, they’ve outsourced tyranny and thuggery of speech transgressors to antifa and other left wing groups. We’re now ruled by the left wing mob and heckler’s veto.
    2) Increasingly, the police will not protect the lives and property of white people who are known to hold non-PC and “white supremacist opinions”. This is especially true in blue states and cities run by ultra leftists.
    3) A Nazi and white supremacist is anyone to the right of Barack Hussein Obama.
    4) Antifa claims to reject racial supremacy but is aligned with black supremacy groups like BLM and never disrupts meetings or rallies by La Raza, NAACP or Nation of Islam.
    5) Antifa claims to oppose Nazism because of its record of murder,but subscribes to an ideology (Marxism/communism) that has murdered 100 million vs the alleged 6 million by the Nazis.
    6) Pro-white websites and opinion get demonetized or deplatformed based on the flimsiest of pretexts. BLM and websites spewing hatred towards whites or celebrating the violence against police, Republicans and “white supremacists” are untouched.

    Non-whites and self hating whites still live in America where their rights are scrupulously protected and defended. Non-PC whites now live in the Soviet Union where they can have their lives and livelihoods destroyed or have their websites deplatformed and demonetized for expressing opinions on multiculturalism that is out of step with the Jewish power structure and their shabbos goy stooges in government.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  193. Corvinus says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    “Yeah, but is she (your wife) white? Not that I really care…”

    Yes, my wife is white. And you do care since you asked and have this obsession with me.

    “but you’re the cuck, not me.”

    Meaningless term.

    “And interesting you’d hail a philo-Semite like Derb as a “hero” of the alt-Right.”

    The Alt-Right, not I, hails him as a hero. Do you not realize his clout within the Alt-Right?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  194. Bogart says:
    @CalDre

    This isn’t “Neo-Bolshevism” but just plain Bolshevism. And the Nazi Brown Shirts were based upon the Bolsheviks. The worst part is that Stalin flipped his propaganda to be more like the Nazis and their “National” component versus the Bolshevik “International/Class” component.

    And the insanity of things like this fellow Robert Lee being reassigned only goes to show how far the West has fallen.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  195. @KenH

    On Antifa’s hypocrisy/dishonesty on race, you could also add that they are silent on Israel and Zionism (although like most left-wing groups you can probably find some isolated pro-Palestinian factions).

    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @Anon
  196. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    What compromising material spy agencies use against public officials of both friendly and unfriendly nations I shall leave for our imaginations. On the level of sharing with Five Eyes? But of course! It is an intelligence sharing pact most sweeping in scope. Please do read Ed Snowden’s interview which follows, where he says [more to follow later in this post] .

    SNOWDEN: “In some cases, the so-called Five Eye Partners go beyond what NSA itself does. For instance, the UK’s General Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) has a system called TEMPORA. TEMPORA is the signals intelligence community’s first “full-take” Internet buffer that doesn’t care about content type and pays only marginal attention to the Human Rights Act. It snarfs everything, in a rolling buffer to allow retroactive investigation without missing a single bit. Right now the buffer can hold three days of traffic, but that’s being improved. Three days may not sound like much, but remember that that’s not metadata. “Full-take” means it doesn’t miss anything, and ingests the entirety of each circuit’s capacity. If you send a single ICMP packet and it routes through the UK, we get it. If you download something and the CDN (Content Delivery Network) happens to serve from the UK, we get it. If your sick daughter’s medical records get processed at a London call center … well, you get the idea.

    Hereafter, for those unfamiliar with Five Eyes, are a series of blockquotes to put a bit of perspective on the complete, unfiltered intelligence sharing, snooping, etc. practiced by these intelligence agencies. Israel more recently co-operates with NSA pretty extensively, e.g., Stuxnet was co-written by Isr8200/ and NSA.

    The “Five Eyes” (FVEY) refer to an alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. These countries are bound by the multilateral UKUSA Agreement for joint cooperation in signals intelligence, military intelligence, and human intelligence. In recent years, documents of the FVEY have shown that they are intentionally spying on one another’s citizens and sharing the collected information with each other in order to circumvent restrictive domestic regulations on spying.[8]

    As the surveillance capabilities of the FVEY continue to increase to keep up to pace with technological advancements, a global surveillance system has been gradually developed to capture the communications of entire populations across national borders.[9] The following list contains a handful of targets of the FVEY who are public figures in various fields. In order for a person to be included in the list, there must be well-documented evidence based on reliable sources, such as leaked or declassified FVEY documents or whistleblower accounts, which demonstrate that the person involved is, or was, intentionally targeted for surveillance.

    Much of the sharing of information is performed via the ultra-sensitive STONEGHOST network, which has been claimed to contain “some of the Western world’s most closely guarded secrets“.[Wiki]

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/navy-spy-probe-kept-military-in-dark-documents-1.1856151

    Rob Gordon. “Navy spy probe kept military in dark: documents”. Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. Retrieved 20 October 2013. The military’s fears were well-founded, given Delisle had access to terabytes of some of the Western world’s most closely guarded secrets. He operated a computer system called Stone Ghost, which links the intelligence services of the Five Eyes: the United States, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

    Here is Snowden’s interview with Spiegel:

    In an interview released this week, Mr. Snowden said that Germany’s intelligence services are “in bed” with the National Security Agency, “the same as with most other Western countries.” The assertion has added to fresh scrutiny in the European news media of Berlin and other European governments that may have benefited from the enormous American snooping program known as Prism, or conducted wide-ranging surveillance operations of their own.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-with-whistleblower-edward-snowden-on-global-spying-a-910006.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/world/europe/for-western-allies-a-long-history-of-swapping-intelligence.html

    The UKUSA Agreement born of the Cold War period is the most expansive in its class. Here is the link from National Archives:

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukusa/

    The scope and language guiding these agreements which filtered through to FiveEyes and subsequently to certain Asian and Nordic countries are simply unparalleled.

    Due to its status as a secret treaty, its existence was not known to the Prime Minister of Australia until 1973, and it was not disclosed to the public until 2005. On 25 June 2010, for the first time in history, the full text of the agreement was publicly released by the United Kingdom and the United States, and can now be viewed online. Shortly after its release, the seven-page UKUSA Agreement was recognized by Time magazine as one of the Cold War’s most important documents, with immense historical significance. [Wiki]

    The global surveillance disclosure by Edward Snowden has shown that the intelligence-sharing activities between the First World allies of the Cold War are rapidly shifting into the digital realm of the Internet.

    https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/world-signals-intelligence-and-gcsb-context-ns-129503

    • Replies: @Hagia Sofia
    , @Wizard of Oz
  197. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    [Of course the burr under the saddle for many here are diaspora Jews who support globalism for all countries except Israel.]

    Well, human suffering has been as much a constant as time has been inconstant. For those with a certain burr under their saddles, this is all they need know to render that burr nonirritating. Israel contains a highly diverse population of many races and religions. It is country formed explicitly to offer sanctuary to Jews escaping persecution. While there is little of it today, now it but a moment in time. An issue to be cognizant of is population density.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @CalDre
  198. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    [The fact remains that the creation of Israel precipitated both expulsions.]

    Yes, true. The nation needed to be created and an unplanned population transfer occurred.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @RobinG
  199. Sam Shama says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hello Woodchuck,
    What a pleasure! Has the Dunkin Donuts club expanded since we last spoke? Members sound in body and mind I trust? Excellent. Now keep those children safe during your afternoon runs, Chucky. Final word; limit yourself to no more than three of the establishment’s offerings per shift.

    Cheers

  200. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Israel contains a highly diverse population of many races and religions.

    True, but in my opinion it is a Jewish state, regardless of whether some right wing political group in Israel gets that written into law or not. You can argue the point with the detractors and claim that diversity in Israel is the same as the push for globalism in the US and Europe if you want. I don’t see it as making any difference to my opinion of the matter. My simplistic view is that Zionism is a form of nationalism and all nationalisms should get examined by the same standards.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Sam Shama
  201. @Sam Shama

    Well, Sam, it appears you have emerged as quite the practiced advocate from your sojourn to observe “the summer rituals” on Cape Cod. http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-chorus-sings-again/#comment-1975939

    I do hope you still feel inclined — “obligated” was your term — to respond to my queries of Aug 19

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-chorus-sings-again/#comment-1975119

    Please explain how you define “the virus of Nazism.”
    In your analysis, What is pathological about Nazism?
    With moral clarity and specifics — Who did what to whom, when and why — define the “virus of Nazism,” s’il vous plait.

    Thanks in advance.

    Y’r ob’d servant
    StC

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Sam Shama
  202. CalDre says:
    @Sam Shama

    I think you missed the point about the hypocrisy, which can be explained best by combining with the other observations that Jews (as a tribe) seek to rule the world with Jerusalem as their global headquarters.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  203. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama

    “…… an unplanned population transfer occurred.”

    NONSENSE. The violent expulsion of the Arab population was anticipated and planned many decades before “Israel” was created. Maybe GeoKat has the quotation of the early Zionists at his fingertips.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
    , @geokat62
  204. @Sam Shama

    Complementary information:

    echelon-ep-fin.htm European Parliament Final Report on Echelon September 7, 2001
    echelon-090501.htm European Commission Resolution on Echelon September 6, 2001

    https://cryptome.org/cryptome-2001.htm

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  205. iffen says:
    @RobinG

    NONSENSE. The violent expulsion of the Arab population was anticipated and planned many decades before “Israel” was created.

    Other than undercutting Sam’s terminology, what difference does it make?

    Why do you put Israel in quotes?

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @DFH
  206. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG

    Arab populations left as much of their own accord, due to exhortations of the Arab leadership promising a return upon “throwing the Jews into the Sea”, as on account of Jewish forces sending some on the run. Very much the same happened to Mizrachi Jews from all over the Arab world fleeing anticipated and immediately inflicted harm upon them. Maybe you can find an all-encompassing “quote” to disclaim all of that? I won’t be surprised.

    • Replies: @CalDre
    , @Skeptikal
    , @Rurik
  207. Sam Shama says:
    @CalDre

    Did I miss the point? Ask Iffen.

    • Replies: @iffen
  208. RobinG says:
    @iffen

    (((Israel))). Happy?

    • Replies: @iffen
  209. anarchyst says:
    @iffen

    The situation in present-day Israel would make an old advocate of “Jim Crow” legislation proud. There are separate roads for Jews and Arabs. Quite often, the Arab roads are substandard, with arbitrary blockades and checkpoints. Even automobile license plates are identified by ethnicity.
    Try walking certain Israeli city streets wearing a crucifix or other means of identifying as a Christian. You may be spat on, criticized, or shunned (given the “evil eye”) by jews. Israel’s Arabs are much more respectful and accommodating of Christians than Jews.
    Now if you are one of Hagee’s “Christian shills for Israel”, you will be carefully guarded from such behavior.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  210. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Oh, dash it! I thought I’d get a free pass to negotiate out of what is likely to be a post which requires more than the few minutes of thought typically expended on the other sundry rubbish. No; that is not to be. Well, I shall be back S2C, sacrificing my customary Cape afternoon of masterly inactivity.

  211. DFH says:
    @iffen

    Why do you put Israel in quotes?

    Christ is the true Israel

  212. CalDre says:
    @Sam Shama

    Arab populations left as much of their own accord

    So fleeing a war and roaming gangs of terrorists is leaving “of your own accord”? So I guess, a priori, if you leave your home in the morning to go to work, or park your car, someone can just occupy your house or car and keep it, being as, well, you left it “of your own accord”?

  213. iffen says:
    @RobinG

    That was easy enough, try your hand at the 1st question.

  214. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    I am myself a nationalist. There are qualifications each citizen must fulfill. There are limits to what has been termed globalism. If by anti-globalism, on the other hand, we mean an imposed cessation of international trade and commerce, exchange of ideas etc. then I am against it.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Wizard of Oz
  215. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    I was parroting.

    I do not view it as hypocrisy, but I see how it can easily be interpreted as such.

    If we had an instance of another country that was specifically founded in modern times to provide a safe space for a people persecuted for millennia and subjected to repeated attempts of genocide and a diaspora Jew insisted upon open borders for that country while advocating closed borders for Israel then we would have hypocrisy.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  216. @anonymous

    That should be, “The Evil Empire.”

    IMO, all empire is ethically ambivalent, so … denied!

    Cost of denial deducted from your check. You owe me 29 cents.

  217. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    If by anti-globalism, on the other hand, we mean an imposed cessation of international trade and commerce

    There is a lot of imprecision in terms in current use. That is willful on the part of some, but not me in this instance. I was using it in the sense of open borders. The idea that national borders are the problem and that we need to get rid of such out dated ideas. The idea that everyone in the world has an inalienable right to migrate to wherever they want. I will add that to the extent that international trade and commerce harms me and mine more than it helps; I will definitely oppose that aspect as well.

  218. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hey Chuck,

    Does that bear hail from secret duty on a (private) hasbara-owned horse ranch?

    actually he just left another AIPAC on the forest leaves, there to remind others of Sam’s query

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  219. @Sam Shama

    Your “I am a nationalist” seems to be ambiguous. Are you saying it of yourself as someone with emotional feeling for one national body? (If so which?). Or are you affirming that national polities benefit from their people being united by nationalistic feeling (loyalty/tradition/dentiment)?

    If the latter, I comment that your reference to “qualifications each citizen must fulfill” is a bit thin and bloodless.

    And I presume you would see difficulty about maintaining a unifying nationalism in some nations if they introduce large or just powerful incompatible minorities even if they aren’t rapidly outbreeding the earlier natives.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  220. Rurik says:
    @Jake

    the WASP worldview would control the globe. So, yes, it is white men who are responsible.

    this seems an obsession of yours Jake

    I know a lot of WASPs, and none of them like wars and homomania and mass-immigration and crony-capitalism 0r any of the rest of the zio-evils that plague this planet and its people.

    the few WASPs I see are quislings of Zion. Like Tony Blair or George Bush, Dick Cheney, Hillary.. et al.

    all the WASPs I know just want to return to a Normal Rockwell/Leave It To Beaver type of existence that they seem to thrive in so well.

    in fact the worst of the Christians seem to be huddled in the Vatican behind their massive walls these days, demanding Western civilization (“Christendom”) commit suicide

  221. Avery says:
    @fnn

    { But I defer to your superior knowledge.}

    I wouldn’t know what ‘Talmudic reasoning’ means: I am of Armenian ancestry, Armenian Apostolic Christian Church. As far removed from Talmud as one can get.

    And I have no superior knowledge.
    I have lived in US many years and have a habit of following and studying these types of things.
    My knowledge, if any, comes from observing how the US in-Justice system works in actuality vs what many (most?) people think how it works in theory or how it should work.

  222. Rurik says:
    @iffen

    some Palestinians and their descendants that were expelled or exiled during its creation would get some sympathy from me on Jew hating.

    wow

    how generous you are!

    what about their houses?

    Can they get those back? or do you only offer the Palestinians your sympathy?

    • Replies: @iffen
  223. Skeptikal says:
    @Corvinus

    ” Both groups then cried foul when the police were brought in to control the scene and when they seemingly refused or avoided arresting their opponents–when in reality they took down those individuals regardless of side who clearly broke the law.”

    You get this info where?
    This is not supported by the accounts that I have seen/read.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  224. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    This is a lie. There are ultra-orthodox scumbags in limited parts of Jerusalem who would spit on the ground if they spot anyone not an orthodox jew by sight. They make no distinctions between overt christians or secular jews. These ultra-orthodox are a despicable group and the modern orthodox and certainly the secular would like nothing better than having them committed to hard labor.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @anarchyst
  225. Avery says:
    @CalDre

    {Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suite, I understand. No worries. You made a claim about “sovereign immunity”, which I easily debunked. End of story.}

    You debunked nothing.
    And reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit: accept it and live with it.
    It’s OK. Tomorrow is another day.

    {And you are simply again demonstrating that you have not even the slightest clue what “sovereign immunity” means. }

    I am pretty sure I have a clue and I am pretty sure you don’t.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  226. @Sam Shama

    Thanks. There’s a lot to re-read there. Like Snowden himself, and Manning, it suggests thst there are all sorts of possibilities for stealing and giving or selling damaging material to blackmailers.

    You wouldn’t really be surprised if AIPAC – or maybe a grizzled Old Turk working at AIPAC – used embarrassing information about someone in Congress or Administration to keep him in line would you?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  227. Skeptikal says:
    @Sam Shama

    This whole post is BS. Disgraceful.
    The photographic and even film record of “Nakba’d” Palestinians is extensive.

    Same as those forcibly expatriated by the Nazi regime, who supposed “left of their own accord” becuase they didn’t fancy getting shot or being sent to a “reeducation” camp.

  228. iffen says:

    Off Topic (or maybe not)

    From VOX:

    CNN revealed Tuesday night that the frontrunner in an Alabama Senate race has repeatedly questioned President Barack Obama’s citizenship…
    Judge Roy Moore, who won the first round of the Alabama GOP Senate primary this August…
    Famous for refusing to take down a monument to the Ten Commandments from his courthouse, and then again for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, Moore has defied federal court orders, addressed a white supremacist group, penned invectives against Perez Hilton over same-sex marriage, and argued that Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) should not be seated as a Congress member because he is Muslim…
    A poll published Monday found Moore leads Strange by 19 points.

    Here come da Judge!

    • Agree: anarchyst
  229. @The Alarmist

    Good analysis although I’ve heard Cunningham recently since Charlottesville remark more than once that the southern states “declared war” on the northern states. This is factually untrue. Neither side made such a declaration.

    Secession, rebellion, insurrection are all more accurate terms for the South’s actions. A “Great American” like Cunningham who makes his living with words (he’s also a law-ya) should be more precise with them.

  230. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    You don’t know what you’re talking about. Most Antifa folks are very pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and unembarrassed to say so.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  231. @Anon

    I would say their record is mixed, at best. They certainly don’t carry on about knee-jerk US support for Israel like they would, say, for even limited support for the old South Africa.

    http://m.jpost.com/American-Politics/Antifa-the-group-that-fought-white-supremacists-in-Charlottesville-502721

    But let’s say you’re right. You would say, then, that anti-Fa is consistent in opposing Jewish racism?

  232. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    Arab populations left as much of their own accord,

    the Jews were handing out invitations to become Israeli citizens at places like Deir Yassin, only the Arabs simply considered the manor that the invitations were being delivered as less than cordial

    at places like Deir Yassin, the murderous savagery of the Jewish terrorists was so beyond heinous, because it was deliberately calculated to strike sheer terror into the hearts of the Arab populations in a demonic plan to cause them to flee, en masse for their lives and the lives of their children.

    and flee they did, from the horrors visited upon men, women and children

    According to a count conducted by International Red Cross representative Jacques de Reynier, apart from bodies left lying in the streets, 150 corpses were found in one cistern alone, among them people who had been either decapitated or disemboweled.[5] Several villagers were taken prisoner and may have been killed after being paraded through the streets of West Jerusalem.[6] Morris wrote that there were also cases of mutilation and rape.[7]

    and this from the kosher Wiki

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

    I’ve read they hacked babies out of mother’s wombs, and then bashed their brains out on the stone walls

    it’s not unlike what they do today in Gaza, with their operations like Cast Lead, where they deliberately terrorize the Arabs with weapons like White Phosphorus that burns the skin off

    only now the Arabs have no where to even run to

    they’re trapped, and forced to endure the psychotic cruelty of the Jewish supremacists daily

  233. iffen says:
    @Anonymous

    Say what?

    All Jews are not interchangeable?

    Are you sure about this? Because many of the commenters here ….

  234. anarchyst says:
    @Anonymous

    Not a lie…personally experienced “all of the above”…are you a hasbara??

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  235. @Corvinus

    Cuck is entirely meaningful and utterly appropriate in your case. You are white (or claim to be) but regularly call out any criticism, however mild or reasonable, of non-whites, esp. Jews. These are groups which collectively NEVER offer any such reciprocity to mis-placed white altruism. Why you go to bat for them here is mystifying. It is one thing to be fair-minded, quite another to take turning-the-other-cheek as an act of moral imperative. That’s the essence of cuckoldry. (You also insinuate that posters here should take some sort of “action” which is likely to lead to their arrest, not sure what your agenda there is.)

    Re. Derb, I suppose he’s the media’s favorite alt-rightist since he’s pro-Israel (like Bannon, BTW). The rank-and-file know he’s unreliable, at best. (Doesn’t necessarily mean he doesn’t write interesting stuff from time to time, Unz (to his great credit) offers a wide range of viewpoints here.)

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Corvinus
  236. @Rurik

    Rurik,

    Thanks… laughter helps me cope with hasbara assaults upon the “general population” awareness!

    One matter?

    As discussed, C.S. Lewis wrote the satirical book, “The Screwtape Letters,” where an elder demon coaches a younger upstart. *

    In the forward, Lewis makes the claim that devils (“fiends”) hate to be mocked and such insight lends to inspire my U.R. comment Missives to Sam the Sham and iffen-iffen.

    Thanks!

    * In Oxford, C.S. Lewis passed away on the day J.F.K. was murdered, November 22, 1963.
    Trappist Monk Thomas Merton had doubt about President Kennedy’s moral strength
    to deny the plans of the “Unspeakable” forces aligned against his administration.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  237. iffen says:
    @Rurik

    700,000 vis-a-vis 800,000

    Close enough for government work. :)

    I think that it would be a gesture of trying to right an injustice if Israel paid compensation to those expelled. Ditto for the ME countries that expelled Jews. However, the clock is ticking for this sort of action.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  238. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Yes, I would say Antifa opposes all racism.

  239. Skeptikal says:
    @CalDre

    “if the police did intentionally use third parties to suppress free speech, the third parties are deemed to be “operating under color of state law” and hence they and the police would be legally liable.”

    Couldn’t this also be a RICO case?
    Conspiracy to deprive others of rights to free speech?

  240. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    Yeah sure you experienced it. Like I experienced slit-eyed chinamen poisoning the tea for white christian demons when I was traveling in China.

    So what if you did experience this? Did you read the rest of my post? Travel to other parts of the world especially the ME, why even parts of Europe and you’ll find many such objectionable behaviors.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  241. anarchyst says:
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, but we don’t pay 3 million dollars a day to other countries. Israel should be kissing American @ss instead of denigrating us behind our backs…

  242. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Thanks Chuck,

    Your comments are always a pleasure to read.

    cheers

  243. Rurik says:
    @iffen

    700,000 vis-a-vis 800,000

    Close enough for government work. :)

    I know it’s estimated that app. 700,000 Arabs were driven into the desert by the Jewish terrorists, but I don’t know what the other number refers to.

    In any case, I guess you’re mocking the Palestinians with that reference. Seems gratuitously mean-spirited if you ask me. You guys have taken all they have, and now you mock them?

    >>sigh<<

    if Israel paid compensation

    so I guess as to the question of them getting their houses back, it’s no, eh?

    what about Jerusalem, can they at least have part of that for their own?

    • Replies: @iffen
  244. @Anon

    Not quite what I asked you (and you’re replying to the wrong comment, BTW), but ok.

  245. iffen says:
    @Rurik

    but I don’t know what the other number refers to

    I got it from Sam in this comment thread which you would know if you read the thread instead of just spouting off and waiting to see your comment show up.

    so I guess as to the question of them getting their houses back, it’s no, eh?

    No, they couldn’t move back in most cases. They would have to negotiate and agree on fair market value with the Israelis. (Heh Heh, sorry Sam, some stereotypes are like vampires.)

    what about Jerusalem, can they at least have part of that for their own?

    Jerusalem was supposed to be an international city, but the Palestinians’ “friends and allies” turned down that deal. We will just have to see what Israel will agree to.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  246. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG

    Maybe GeoKat has the quotation of the early Zionists at his fingertips.

    Will this do?

    “In this building [the Red House], on a cold Wednesday afiemoon, 10 March 1948, a group of eleven men, veteran Zionist leaders together with young military Jewish officers, put the final touches to a plan for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. That same evening, military orders were dispatched to the units on the ground to prepare for the systematic expulsion of the Palestinians from vast areas of the country. The orders came with a detailed description of the methods to be employed to forcibly evict the people: large-scale intimidation; laying siege to and bombarding villages and population centres; setting fire to homes, properties and goods; expulsion; demolition; and, finally, planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled inhabitants from returning.” – excerpt from Ilan Pappe’s, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @iffen
    , @RobinG
  247. Rurik says:
    @iffen

    I got it from Sam in this comment thread which you would know if you read the thread

    there are some whose comments I read every word

    No, they couldn’t move back in most cases. They would have to negotiate and agree on fair market value with the Israelis.

    ah

    they’ll have to negotiate with the Israelis

    gotcha

  248. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    NONSENSE. The violent expulsion of the Arab population was anticipated and planned many decades before “Israel” was created.

    Other than undercutting Sam’s terminology, what difference does it make?

    Some of you are very good at cut and paste. Can you think on your feet?

  249. geokat62 says:

    The quote I furnished upon request clearly demonstrates that ethnic cleansing of the Pals was planned.

    Some seem to suggest that there is little difference if the ethnic cleansing was planned or unplanned. While the result is admittedly (with two ts) the same, the moral implications are radically different.

    I guess one has to be a self-described “philosophical Evangelical” who is so eager to please his Zionist brethren not to see the difference.

    Oh, and while some of us may be slow thinking on our feet, it’s still preferable to thinking on our knees.

    • Replies: @iffen
  250. Corvinus says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    “Cuck is entirely meaningful and utterly appropriate in your case.”

    You are one trick pony. The term is observably devoid of substance.

    “You are white (or claim to be) but regularly call out any criticism, however mild or reasonable, of non-whites, esp. Jews.”

    Pro-race is code for anti-humanity. Feel free to engage in the race baiting. You have a place among the Coalition Fringe Groups. You belong with Coates and Spencer, Wu and Coulter.

    Feel free to be “pro-white”. What normies object to is being labeled “anti-white” for making their own racial decisions.

    “These are groups which collectively NEVER offer any such reciprocity to mis-placed white altruism.”

    First, it is other than mis-placed white altruism. It simply is people being altruistic.

    Second, you now have to prove your claim considering that when you use an absolute term– “never”.

    This source counters your assertion–Jews are reciprocal when it comes altruism.

    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1334-altruism

    Third, Jews call out Jews.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/polish-jewish-feud-intensifies-as-one-leader-calls-others-court-jews/

    “The rank-and-file know he’s unreliable, at best.”

    It is one thing to be fair-minded, quite another to take turning-the-other-cheek as an act of moral imperative. That’s the essence of cuckoldry. Hoisted with your own petard.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  251. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    Thanks Geo, this is certainly telling. Of course Israeli hates Ilan Pappe, a “self-hating” Jew who now lives in UK. Here’s his speech from the “Israel Lobby and American Policy” conference on March 24th, 2017 -

    Ilan Pappe- Decolonizing Israel

    The quote I was thinking about is from way, way back, maybe before 1900. The old guys who cooked up the Zionist project were fully aware that Palestine was populated, and (although the term hadn’t yet been coined) they had every intention of ethnically cleansing the land to settle Jews there.

  252. @Corvinus

    Really? You self-designate as a “normie”? So, in addition to being a cuck, you’re also lame?

    LOL @ your Jewish source stressing Jewish altruism. How about the Talmud?

    From your linked source on the Polish tiff, the pro-Law and Justice Jews stress that Law and Justice are receptive to the concerns of Jews. So as with “liberal” vs “conservative” American Jews, the question seems to come down to: what’s good for the Jews?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  253. Corvinus says:
    @Skeptikal

    “You get this info where? This is not supported by the accounts that I have seen/read.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/index.html

    “And white nationalists, neo-Nazis and others — who have been blamed for provoking violence at last week’s “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia — claim it was Antifa groups that first got aggressive. A 20-year-old man who had attended the rally later used his car to ram a crowd of counterprotesters, killing one of them. Though counterprotesters deny they are to blame for violence, Trump this week declared “blame on both sides” — and has drawn intense criticism for his view.”

    It’s really easy here. Wear a mask, carry a stick at a protest march…get arrested. Regardless of the side.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/index.html

    “We cover our face because the Nazis will try to find out who we are. And that is a very bad thing because they harass people,” he said. “We’re trying to stop them from organizing. … When they organize, they kill people, they hurt people, they fight people. And we’re the ones who are fighting back.”

    It’s a position taken by many Antifa activists: “This is self-defense.” Antifa activists often don’t hesitate to destroy property, which many see as the incarnation of unfair wealth distribution.

    “Violence against windows — there’s no such thing as violence against windows,” a masked Antifa member in Union Square told CNN. “Windows don’t have — they’re not persons. And even when they are persons, the people we fight back against, they are evil. They are the living embodiment, they are the second coming of Hitler.”

    I would imagine that the Alt Right protestors share similar sentiments of their ideological enemy.

  254. @Sam Shama

    Rubbish. New Yorkers will roll over en masse the minute they’re accused of racism, and you can be sure the bankers and other elites will be in full support.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  255. Skeptikal says:
    @Corvinus

    Excuse me, Corv, I was challenging this statement of yours:

    “Both groups then cried foul when the police were brought in to control the scene and when they seemingly refused or avoided arresting their opponents–when in reality they took down those individuals regardless of side who clearly broke the law.”

    I do not see any evidence in your response supporting your statement *about the police taking down individuals.* My query was not about what people said, or their “sentiments.” For some reason you are changing the subject.

    Getting back to what the police did, or did not do, the reports that I have read and also on-scene videos etc. such as Faith Gordy emphasize that the police did NOT do their job of separating the groups and maintaining order. In fact, this fact is now under investigation in C’ville.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  256. @geokat62

    George, as you well know, JVP is a gatekeeper and funds Mondoweiss. They provide a controlled opposition to Jewish power to prevent a mass uprising. They banned people like Gilad Atzmon and Alison Weir (http://ifamericaknew.org/) labelling them as anti-semites as is the standard weapon of diversion and distraction. People like Jeff Blankfort were banned because of his views on the Jewish historical role in the rise of the Nazis in Germany were banned from Mondoweiss.

    Alison Weir is a patriot who has struggled long and hard against the Jewish Lobby that JVP pretends to oppose with feeble gestures. Her book, Against Our Better Judgment, is a must-read ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/149591092X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=149591092X&linkCode=as2&tag=ifamericankne-20 ) and Gilad Atzmon’s book, The Wandering Who ( https://www.amazon.com/Wandering-Who-Gilad-Atzmon/dp/1846948754/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1503546641&sr=1-3&keywords=gilad+atzmon ) on Jewish Identity Politics has made him persona non grata in the Jewish community and his shows as a jazz musician are frequently protested.

    You may be rejoicing prematurely…

  257. @The Alarmist

    Confederate soldiers fought defending a nation known as the Confederate States of America which came into existence following formal documents being written, signed and submitted to foreign nations declaring itself an independent nation. With these documents being also submitted to the adjacent United States of America which exactly 84 years earlier, had taken the same legal steps in declaring it’s independence the British Crown which, by the way would have never happen had the Southern people not essentially defeated the British on their own. The fact that none of this is known by most Americans, including Southerners is due to deliberate attempts being made to de-legitimize the Southern people’s heroic struggle to create and defend a nation that was more in keeping with what they thought they were getting when they became part of the United States.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @Hibernian
  258. Corvinus says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Challenge the ideas found in the source, not the source. See, this is why “Fake News” which you are implying is making people only more ignorant. That is other than a surprise in your case.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  259. @Bogart

    For your information, the Brown Shirts were recruited by Adolph Hitler and welded into an effective fighting force to physically confront and defeat Communist thugs who showed-up at all his public speaking engagements to disrupt and shout him down. I suggest anyone interested in gaining and insight as to what actually transpired at Charlottesville (particularly relating to the disruptive tactics employed by ANTIFA thugs) read the book, Mein Kampf. It’s an eye-opener to say the least.

  260. Corvinus says:
    @Skeptikal

    Yes, both groups did cry foul. The police were brought in. They attempted to control the scene.

    Richard Spencer tweeted “Can anyone look at the images from yesterday and not believe that the police had “stand down” orders?”

    According to a tweet from the ACLU of Virginia, police said they wouldn’t intervene “until given command to do so.”

    The police had a presence. Each group claimed that there was violence taking place and the police waited. We can speculate. I am not discounting it. But the police did take down people.

    Here the police were quick to protect Jason Kessler. The woman who punched him was tackled by police and arrested.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/protesters-chased-unite-the-right-rally-organizer-jason-kessler-out-of-press-conference-video-2017-8

    At 17:45 in this video, another protestor was arrested.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/08/kkk-holds-rally-virginia-and-met-protesters/462146001/

    In this video, there is a human wall formed against the police, who I thought showed restraint (at least in this segment, I have no idea what happened afterwards).

    Regardless, it could be argued that the police INADEQUATELY did their job. But rather than play the blame game or the victim card, the Alt Right and the antifa ought to be looking at themselves in the mirror for their actions, knowing full well they each anticipated a fight to develop.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  261. Corvinus says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    “LOL @ your Jewish source stressing Jewish altruism. How about the Talmud?”

    Regardless how you feel about the source, your claim that “these are groups which collectively NEVER offer any such reciprocity to mis-placed white altruism” is blown out of the water.

    “So as with “liberal” vs “conservative” American Jews, the question seems to come down to: what’s good for the Jews?”

    No, what is good for people. Your Jew fixation is duly noted.

    “Really? You self-designate as a “normie”?”

    Normie, as in regular everyday people.

  262. @Wizard of Oz

    My dad knew Cromwell and took me along to see him in hospital shortly before he died, I think that was during the summer of 1958. I was quite small of course and don’t remember very much. I thought he seemed quite a nice old fellow but dad later referred to him as God’s Executioner and, as you can imagine, that was very confusing for a child.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  263. Skeptikal says:
    @Corvinus

    Let’s keep this thread on track.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/police-response-charlottesville-trnd/index.html

    Actually, I am not responding further to Corvinus, who seems to have an agenda.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  264. @Carroll Price

    I would agree with you, but the South lost the war and therefore the privilege of writing the history. In a gentler time the North had enough decency to let the South keep some of its dignity. Gone are those days. We are into soul-crushing oppression time.

    If there wasn’t some economic value to the South and its recently transplanted citizenry, many from the North, there’d probably be calls to kill all the men, sell the women and children into slavery, and sow the soil with salt.

  265. Corvinus says:
    @Skeptikal

    Yes, my agenda is trying to look at things from a nuanced position. I showed you scenes of the police doing their job. If one wants to argue that their efforts were significantly lacking, or that they were woefully inadequate, let’s begin the discussion there, rather than the Alt Right or the Antifa presumption that the police other than separated the groups and maintained order. Let all groups involved take full ownership of their actions.

    Again, the police had a presence. Each group claimed that there was violence taking place and the police waited. We can speculate. I am not discounting it. But the police did take down people, but not in the way by the account you provided that ensured consistent law and order.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  266. @Corvinus

    The mainstream media has a well-established record of untruthfulness, if not outright lying. They are little different from Pravda at this stage. That you would rely on them for any source of information (apart from the weather or the score of a game, I suppose) is just further evidence that you’re a cuck.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  267. @Chris Dakota

    Yeah, but garden torches? We might all profess to hate Nazis and White Supremacists, but it’s kind of hard to be afraid of suburban Nazis and White Supremacists who can’t even fashion their own torches.

    • Replies: @iffen
  268. @Jake

    Oops! For my 1956 and 1958 read 1656 and 1658 of course in my earlier reply…

  269. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Some seem to suggest that there is little difference if the ethnic cleansing was planned or unplanned.

    You have reported on one of the more unpleasant features of nationalism that come to the fore from time to time. Israeli nationalism shares this feature with all other nationalisms. You want to make Israeli nationalism the exception to the rule, but all you do is provide information that shows Zionism shares good and bad features of generic nationalism. You betray your motivation, just like RobinG calling Zionism a project instead of applying the duck test and calling a duck a duck.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Talha
  270. iffen says:
    @The Alarmist

    even fashion their own torches

    I notice that the MSM frequently merges the “torches” of the Friday night parade with the events on Saturday for sinister effect.

  271. @Avery

    Municipalities typically do not have Sovereign Immunity. If they have any immunity, it typically derives from the State. In the case of VA, immunity might apply if the tort was deemed to arise from a government function, while it might not apply if the tort arises from a management function. I’m sure the city would argue that policing is a government action.

    Maybe you can bark up the tree with the limb that pursues 18 USC 242, which applies where an official deprives a person of his civil rights under color of law.

    • Replies: @Avery
  272. anarchyst says:
    @Corvinus

    …the police in Charlottesville purposely directed the “alt-right” people INTO the left-wing mob.
    It was a set-up from the word “go”…observe how “fresh” the n azi flags and k lan regalia looked, just being removed and unfolded from their packaging…
    You can bet that there were federal “agents provocateur” in the crowds…

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  273. MarkinLA says:
    @Anon

    What does that mean when they support groups like BLM that are openly anti-white?

    • Replies: @iffen
  274. iffen says:
    @MarkinLA

    Racism directed toward whites is non-existent and cannot exist.

    Non-existent racism by mixed race toward “blacks” is colorism, not racism. :)

  275. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Hello S2C:
    Here we are, once again labouring in service of a topic we’ve seen hung drawn and quartered on these pages. I considered remaining silent; on a subject which surely tests our will to Truth, such as we sculpt it, and such perforce, with the promise of a rendezvous of familiar inquiries; niaiserie all mine?

    You ask me to write with moral clarity, with definitions and explanations; on Nazism and why I call it a virus. I do so for reasons, at least in part, to hold in view, then diminish if not destroy, Adolf Hitler’s comparison of modern finance and capitalism to an infection on the body politic. He was deeply confused; a mind riven by thoughts and ideas far beyond the capacity given him by his maker who, in the privacy of his domain must’ve quietly chuckled at his own creation and the maelstrom he was about to unleash on all and sundry. Greek gods did not have anything on that maker and his ward; of Christ, the latter was not, nor of the G’d of Jews. [Save rumours about the Shicklegrubers which apparently sent Dolf on a path of fury; curious, as no harsher hands exist than those of self-loathing Jews beating their kin.]

    I say he was confused, not a conclusion derived chiefly from his actions, which were planned, thorough, devious, predictable if one reads history, but just as importantly from a study of the untidy blueprint he called his struggle, Mein Kampf. He did struggle to write it, that much is clear, if for no other exemplary and confused reason than an explicit adoption a method of subversion and subjugation of his people, facets of Marxism, which he hated!

    Marxism is to be despised; it is a pernicious doctrine all too vulnerable to, nay designed for, central totalitarianism. So, while the man hated Marxism he cherished its final outcome. Thus is Nazism like Marxism, a virus: designed to create havoc on the body it enters while leaving debilitation, destruction and weakness in its wake. It is a virus since the effects cannot remain in humanity, the host, for periods more than a few moments of time, absent a death of the host or of itself.

    Rhetorical arguments aside, one notes with a measure of clarity which you demanded, this recurrent theme in Germany’s political ambitions, each one a child of the last, and each a study in how not to apply deviousness when dealing with an adversary superior in both political science and arms. Not to mention international code of conduct. Perhaps all of these are derived of morality, perhaps not; but I remain quite certain of the pitfalls of applying standards of personal morality to the questions of statecraft.

    Permit me to summon as protagonists, Thomas Babington Macaulay and G.K. Chesterton, great writers of the Victorian and the Georgian-Edwardian eras respectively; not merely to aid my meagre pen, but more as observers of a pattern of behaviour [of a virus?] so ably described in their essays. And of course, Shirer of whom and his book Hugh Trevor-Roper wrote ‘ The standard, indeed the classic, history of Nazism. We should be thankful to the historian whose solid work will permanently preserve the truth.’

    [MORE]

    Here is Macaulay describing Frederick of Prussia, called Great, in his dealings with the Queen of Hungary, Maria Theresa, during the Seven Years War of 1756-1763.

    …[ ] in the very act of pouring forth compliments and assurances of goodwill, Frederic commenced hostilities. Many thousands of his troops were actually in Silesia before the Queen of Hungary knew that he had set up any claim to any part of her territories. At length, he sent her a message which could be regarded only as an insult. If she would but let him have Silesia, he would, he said, stand by her against any power which should try to deprive her of her other dominions; as if he was not already bound to stand by her, or as if his new promise could be of more value than the old one.
    Had the Silesian question been merely a question between Frederic and Maria Theresa, it would be impossible to acquit the Prussian King of gross perfidy. But when we consider the effects which his policy produced, and could not fail to produce, on the whole community of civilized nations, we are compelled to pronounce a condemnation still more severe.

    Here is Chesterton on the barbarism of Berlin of WWI:

    Prussia, France, and England had all promised not to invade Belgium. Prussia proposed to invade Belgium, because it was the safest way of invading France. But Prussia promised that if she might break in, through her own broken promise and ours, she would break in and not steal. In other words, we were offered at the same instant a promise of faith in the future and a proposal of perjury in the present.

    One could make a kind of comic calendar of what would have happened to the English diplomatist, if he had been silenced every time by Prussian diplomacy. Suppose we arrange it in the form of a kind of diary:

    July 24: Germany invades Belgium.
    July 25: England declares war.
    July 26: Germany promises not to annex Belgium.
    July 27: England withdraws from the war.
    July 28: Germany annexes Belgium, England declares war.
    July 29: Germany promises not to annex France, England withdraws from the war. July 30: Germany annexes France, England declares war.
    July 31: Germany promises not to annex England.
    Aug. 1: England withdraws from the war. Germany invades England.

    How long is anybody expected to go on with that sort of game; or keep peace at that illimitable price? How long must we pursue a road in which promises are all fetishes in front of us; and all fragments behind us? No; upon the cold facts of the final negotiations, as told by any of the diplomatists in any of the documents, there is no doubt about the story. And no doubt about the villain of the story.

    Adolf’s Road to War
    One might as Chesterton did, list a sequence of events, eerily resembling the behaviour of a cadre of diplomatists and politicians of the last war, falling prey to Hitler’s guile:

    [based on Shirer]
    (i) Anschluss: February 12 and March 11 1938 ” The Four Weeks’ Agony.” Since the Austro-German agreement of July 11, 1936, in which Schuschnigg, in a secret annex to the treaty, had made far-reaching concessions to the Austrian Nazis,∗ Franz von Papen, Hitler’s special ambassador in Vienna, had been continuing his labors to undermine the independence of Austria and bring about its union with Nazi Germany.

    Without firing a shot and without interference from Great Britain, France and Russia, whose military forces could have overwhelmed him, Hitler [..] gained a strategic position of immense value to his future plans. [...] he now possessed in Vienna the gateway to Southeast Europe.

    (ia) Protest and shock from von Neurath the foreign minister, Schacht, Blomberg upon learning Hitler’s armed plans [on Austria and] Czechoslovakia. “I was extremely upset at Hitler’s speech,” he [von Neurath] later told the Nuremberg tribunal, “because it knocked the bottom out of the whole foreign policy which I had consistently pursued.” Generals Beck and von Fritsch were “shattered” [from Hossbach's diary]

    (ib) Protest from Britain? From Russia or France? None to speak of

    (ii) Sudetenland: Oct 1-Oct 10, 1938: The “peaceful annexation of Bohemia and Moravia”. Protests? None, but followed by a profusion of solemn proclamations of the Munich Agreements.

    (iii) Munich Agreements signed Sep 29, 1938: Neville Chamberlain and Edouard Daladier sign the Munich Pact with Adolf Hitler. The agreement averted the outbreak of war but gave Czechoslovakia away to German conquest. No protests, but an AGREEMENT!

    (iv) March 1939: Remaining Czechoslovakia falls: Within ten days of affixing his signature to the Munich Agreement – before even the peaceful military occupation of the Sudetenland had been completed – Adolf Hitler got off an urgent top-secret message to General Keitel, Chief of OKW. It was to prepare for the rest of Czechoslovakia. Did Chamberlain and Daladier protest? No again, and this non-action following an agreement, in which the British and French governments undertook to lend the Czechoslovak government ₤8 million and make a gift of ₤4 million for resettlement!

    (v) Sep 1, 1939, Poland’s Turn: Fall Weiss or Case White was the campaign to bring Poland under the Nazi jackboot. As well under the Russian Bear. On October 24, 1938, less than a month after Munich, Ribbentrop was host to Jozef Lipski, the Polish ambassador in Berlin, at a three-hour lunch at the Grand Hotel in Berchtesgaden. Poland, like Germany and indeed in connivance with her, had just seized a strip of Czech territory. It was necessary, first of all, [said Ribbentrop], ”to speak with Poland about Danzig.” It should ”revert” to Germany.

    So Poland, in this case, was given a concession of theft in the present followed by a demand for quid pro quo in the near future!

    Those were the acts of a clever but confused warlord. Yet why were Chamberlain, Daladier, Stalin and the rest of the European leadership blind to Adolf’s actions? He might be blamed for many things, but not rendering in plain language [through his muddled blueprint], could not have been one of them. The inaction of European leadership remains to this day, the most fatal of failures, one from which important lessons are to be drawn for posterity.

    We return briefly to his “Struggle”

    Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf (Volume I):

    And so,
    internally armed with faith in the goodness of God and the impenetrable stupidity of the electorate, the struggle for what is called ‘the reconstruction of the Reich’ can now begin.

    Financial operations succeed easier than war operations. Hence it was no longer any great attraction for a true hero or even a statesman to be brought into touch with the nearest Jew banker. Real merit was not interested in receiving cheap decorations and therefore declined them with thanks. But from the standpoint of good breeding such a development was deeply regrettable. The nobility began to lose more and more of the racial qualities that were a condition of its very existence, with the result that in many cases the term ‘plebeian’ would have been more appropriate.

    A serious state of economic disruption was being brought about by the slow elimination of the personal control of vested interests and the gradual transference of the whole economic structure into the hands of joint stock companies.

    Before the War the internationalization of the German economic structure had already begun by the roundabout way of share issues. It is true that a section of the German industrialists made a determined attempt to avert the danger, but in the end, they gave way before the united attacks of money-grabbing capitalism, which was assisted in this fight by its faithful henchmen in the Marxist movement.

    Mein Kampf Volume II [Weltanshauung]

    But a general conception of life can never be given an organic embodiment until it is precisely and definitely formulated. The function which dogma fulfills in religious belief is parallel to the function which party principles fulfill for a political party which is in the process of being built up. Therefore, for the conception of life that is based on the folk idea it is necessary that an instrument be forged which can be used in fighting for this ideal, similar to the Marxist party organization which clears the way for internationalism.

    And this is the aim which the German National Socialist Labour Movement pursues.

    And there it must end. At least today. The beaches of Hyannis beckon :-)

    I remain,
    Your Obedient Servant,
    SS

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • LOL: SolontoCroesus
  276. Regardless of the sincerity of anti-fa’s leftist bona fides, there’s no conflict in seeing them as a tool of the US ruling class, any more than there is in seeing Ukraine’s neo-Nazis as tools of the Anglo-Zionists. Just more useful idiots, at best.

  277. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Yes! couldn’t have said it any better

  278. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Zionism shares good and bad features of generic nationalism

    I’d have to agree with this general assessment regarding ethno-nationalism as a whole. I certainly can’t see anything Zionists have done that other nations haven’t in their history (especially in the 1850-1950 era – when population removal was all the rage; Circassians, Armenians, Navajo, Aborigines, and on and on). The Arab nationalists had no problem expelling certain elements of their population – Jewish (which didn’t help the issue by bloating the population of Israel) and others. Sure the Zionists try to lie about it and whitewash the record, but which nation doesn’t try to do that with their own histories?

    I think one of the issues is that the UN and international protocols were established to stop this madness and that Israel’s founding (and parts of its territorial grab) happens to be after the referee blew the whistle. But that is important because we can either accommodate that there are now rules and abide by them or we can go back to the law of the jungle. Suffice to say, Israel (however she was founded) needs to abide by UN rules with respect to her borders, wars, and treatment of people in her occupied territories.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Avery
  279. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    [You wouldn’t really be surprised if AIPAC – or maybe a grizzled Old Turk working at AIPAC – used embarrassing information about someone in Congress or Administration to keep him in line would you?]

    I shouldn’t be surprised, but I wouldn’t base the general opinion on a matter of some importance on such a speculation, however plausible.

  280. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I am a nationalist in that I believe it is normal for a citizen vested in the culture and traditions of a nation to steer his own actions for the common good of other citizens, i.e., the nation at large. Easier for smaller nations than vastly larger ones. This, in effect, leads me to adopt a combination of personal libertarianism and fiscal Keynesianism [though many confuse Keynes as a socialist; he most decidedly was not!] I must add, when in the U.K., I’m a steady man for the Monarchy :-)

    On the second portion of your post, I’d say it depends on the minority [Jews, e.g. are deeply loyal to HM], whilst unassimilable minorities are problematic.

  281. Corvinus says:
    @anarchyst

    “the police in Charlottesville purposely directed the “alt-right” people INTO the left-wing mob.”

    In your opinion, yes.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  282. Avery says:
    @The Alarmist

    {Municipalities typically do not have Sovereign Immunity.}

    You are quite correct: SCOTUS has held that Sovereign Immunity is enjoyed by the States in the Union, but not e.g. Cities. However, since the event took place on the grounds University of Virginia, a flagship for the Commonwealth of Virginia, my guess is the University and its Police fall under the umbrella of the State. (justa layman’s opinion: not an attorney. maybe attys who know this stuff can comment).

    Interestingly, it was the UVA that has issued an arrest warrant for Christopher Cantwell, not the City of Charlottesville police.

    As to various USC limbs: you can in theory bark up a whole bunch of them, plus various amendments. But my contention is that in practice, the “Alt-right” organizers will have a near impossible task, given the political atmosphere and the fact that the MSM has successfully painted the entire group as Nazis, KKKs, White “supremacists”, and such – based on the visual of maybe a dozen or so people walking around with the swastika and grand-wizard costumes.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  283. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    Thanks, I agree. But despite their being your initials, SS? ;)

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  284. Avery says:
    @Talha

    {I think one of the issues is that the UN and international protocols were established to stop this madness and that Israel’s founding (and parts of its territorial grab) happens to be after the referee blew the whistle. But that is important because we can either accommodate that there are now rules and abide by them or we can go back to the law of the jungle. }

    Yo, Talha:

    I am not taking a position on the Israeli/Jew vs Pal fight: not mine.
    But your belief in the bogus ‘international protocols’ is misplaced.

    UN Charter was established shortly after WW2.
    Unfortunately, almost immediately the charter was violated and it hasn’t stopped.
    And the #1 violators are the two countries that lecture everybody else about International Law the loudest.

    To wit:

    In 1954 US and UK (the usual suspects) launched an illegal coup against the democratically elected government of Iran,a clear violation of UN Charter.

    In 1974, NATO member Turkey, with US approval, invaded the sovereign State of Cyprus, grabbed 40% of its land, ethnically cleansed the indigenous Greek population from that 40%, and has been bringing in Turks from the mainland to permanently change the ethnic makeup.

    US has launched dozens of illegal invasions and coups from one end of Latin America to the other.

    US & UK illegally invaded the sovereign State of Iraq.
    Lord Prescott, deputy PM later admitted that invasion was illegal.
    (a lot of good that did: nobody went to jail).
    Today Iraq is broken country (country in name only).
    US & UK are responsible for the destruction of a viable, secular state.
    What they left behind is death and destruction that goes on unabated to this day.

    Nothing has changed: those who have the gold and guns make the rules and rule.
    Except the UN Charter is now used as fig leaf: those who rule prefer to do their dirty deeds under the rubric of UNSC. That way it’s ‘legal’.

    • Replies: @Talha
  285. Sam Shama says:
    @Anon

    LOL. I knew someone would notice. A play on sentiments? ;-)

  286. @Sam Shama

    Is that a serious response to the question/s?

    Would you like a do-over?

    When we tutored learning disabled students in the Writing lab of our community college, we tried to encourage our students by giving them multiple chances to bring their work up to college-entry standards.

    Just because you represent yourself as a PhD does not mean the same generosity should not be extended to you.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  287. geokat62 says:

    You want to make Israeli nationalism the exception to the rule, but all you do is provide information that shows Zionism shares good and bad features of generic nationalism.

    It is the exception for one simple reason. As Talha has already pointed out, it was established on Palestinian land after the newly minted international order, based on the Rule of Law, had come into effect.

    Or, put differently:

    The problem with the vision of these Zionist leaders is that it comes too late in a world which has moved forward: a world of individual rights, international law and of nations, (as the Ottoman Empire was coming to an end), yearning for self determination. Exclusivity and special previliges belonged to another era.

    http://www.1948.org.uk/the-zionist-project/

    You betray your motivation, just like RobinG calling Zionism a project instead of applying the duck test and calling a duck a duck.

    Given the foregoing, it should be clear why many feel that this duck has a very peculiar quack to it. My sense, though, is if one is an evangelical (philosophical or otherwise), they’ll struggle to hear it.

  288. Talha says:
    @Avery

    Hey Avery,

    I totally agree with you. If the international instruments worked properly, Bush and Cheney (and others like them) would have been tried in the Hague. Human beings are faulty – so are our institutions. Marriages sometimes don’t work out, but as yet, human beings haven’t found a better institution to build a society upon.

    With the destruction wrought in WW2, I think it is in everybody’s best interest to try to keep these ideals in place so that we can minimize the harm and suffering to humanity.

    We try for imperfect justice in this life, true justice will have to wait until the Day of Judgment.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  289. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    My dear professor of the community college lab, I humbly await your history lessons. Meanwhile, I ready myself to issue a word of complaint to the Master, Vice Master, and Tutor, at my Alma Mater for mission and charge, not well performed.

    What is a do-over? Suspicious sounding I must say.

    P.S. I’m afraid I won’t be able to respond immediately to your learned entries, as family time demands my attention.

  290. @Sam Shama

    You may have noticed the City government is reviewing the status of statues like Columbus? I suppose some Jersey Shore-types will object, but you seriously doubt Wall Streeters would?

  291. @Avery

    The question I have is, given the ACLU supported the organizers in getting the revocation of the permit overturned by the Federal courts, how long will it be before the $PLC brands the ACLU as a hate group?

  292. Hibernian says:
    @Jake

    Jake, try tonong down the triumphalism.

  293. @Talha

    You make me recall a conversation with a former Oz PM whom I knew quite well in 2004 when he referred to the invasion of Iraq as a “war crime”. This was a man once generally reputed to be a conservative though his anti white Rhodesia and pro black African stance was notable.

  294. Hibernian says:
    @Carroll Price

    “which, by the way would have never happen had the Southern people not essentially defeated the British on their own.”

    You’re discounting the contributions of the French, along with some other nations which gave aid, as well as the Northerners involved. The decisive battle was Saratoga.

  295. @CalDre

    The only real difference between neo-Nazis and ANTIFA is that neo-Nazis are traditional nationalist while ANTIFA are Communist Internationalist. If I had to side with either one, I’d side with the neo-Nazis, as would (I hope) a large percentage of Americans.

    • Replies: @Avery
  296. @Sam Shama

    I had spent so much time enjoying Simon Schama’s works that i didn’t even notice anything when I met your evil twin Sol Sphincter.

  297. @ia

    But, I keep asking myself why they became so powerful in the last 60 years or so.

    Answer: Since Jews were virtually the only group to benefit from WW 2, why would they NOT have become powerful in the last 60 years

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @ia
  298. Avery says:
    @Carroll Price

    {…. side with the neo-Nazis, as would (I hope) a large percentage of Americans.}

    Your hope is surely a hallucination.
    16 million Americans participated in WW2 fighting Imperial Japan and the Swastika.
    About 400,000 Americans were KIA fighting and defeating the swastika.

    10s of millions of descendants of those 16 million and 400K are amongst us today.
    How many WW2 movies do you know of where GIs side with Nazis?
    The scenes from “Saving Private Ryan” , particularly the last half hour or so, are burned into the minds of 10s of millions of Americans.

    You guys actually believe any significant number of Americans will side with the neo-Nazi nuts walking around on American streets carrying the Nazi flag?

  299. Talha says:
    @Avery

    Side with neo-Nazis or Antifa? Hmmm…

    What would like for dinner; crap casserole or a sh** sandwich? I guess it depends on what one’s drinking with it.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Rurik
  300. MARKO says:

    “What if it turns out that the politically more acceptable counter-demonstrators deliberately provoked the violence and were allowed to get away with it?”

    OR, what if the FBI’s infiltrators and informants were also agents provocateurs?

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  301. geokat62 says:

    The latest installment from The Best Government Money Can Buy file:

    Could Menendez Trial Tip Senate To Trump — Or Cost AIPAC A Pro-Israel Vote?

    The political future of one of Israel’s staunchest supporters is on the line in a New Jersey courtroom — along with the political power balance in the U.S. Senate.

    Sen. Bob Menendez, a New Jersey Democrat, is now at the opening stages of his criminal trial for corruption charges involving his ties to a Jewish eye doctor from Florida. With the jury selection process already completed and a trial scheduled for September, the verdict in the case could come in late November…

    Menendez’s uncertain future is also of serious concern for the pro-Israel community. A hawk on all issues relating to Israel, and a prominent member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Menendez is also a top recipient of pro-Israel political action committee money, racking in $341,000 in 2012, the last time he sought re-election.

    During the 2015 debate over the Iranian nuclear deal, Menendez was one of just four Democrats who sided with the Israeli government, against President Obama, in opposing the deal. He is considered a close ally of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and a safe vote on pro-Israel issues. He is currently a co-sponsor of the AIPAC-backed anti-BDS bill, which has already lost several Democratic supporters following claims that the legislation would infringe on free speech of those wishing to boycott Israel.

    Menendez was also the only Democrat to vote to confirm David Friedman as President Trump’s pick to be ambassador to Israel.

    Menendez’s replacement might not be such a strong supporter of Israel, whether the next senator is a Democrat or a Republican.

    Menendez is facing charges of bribery, conspiracy and false statements for using the power of his office to assist Salomon Melgen, a Florida eye doctor who has donated to Menendez, accused of Medicare billing fraud. Menendez, according to the charges, tried to assist Melgen keep his $500,000 power security contract as well as providing entry visas to three women companions of Melgen. In return, Melgen allegedly provided $750,000 in donations to Menendez.

    Menendez has denied all charges and, according to reports, is not interested in entering a plea agreement.

    http://forward.com/news/national/380968/could-menendez-trial-tip-senate-to-trump-or-cost-aipac-a-pro-israel-vote/?attribution=home-top-story-11-headline

  302. @Sam Shama

    What you say about Jews, particularly in the UK, surely has quite a lot to do with class does it not? That is to say intelligent educated successful Jews leaping into the Enlightenment, then finding themselves in the country which for two or three generations was plausibly at the leading edge of civilisation in the new age of Progress, happily sought to assimilate to the best of the upper classes and to traditions and rituals which seemed comfortably to be stable parts of it.

    Combine that thought with traditional Continental Jewish (especially Austro-Hungarian) loyalty to the sovereign which I, perhaps simple mindedly, associate with a very sensible desire to be protected in a dangerous world by the monarch who had real power. Translated to Britain I suppose it becomes a sensible desire for stability.

    My closest English Jewish friend who sounds like the product of one of the most famous British public schools and Oxbridge where he was before becoming a Professor elsewhere recalled after I got to know him well just a little “typical upper class anti -Semitism” at school. Which he appeared to shrug off though not forget.

  303. @Sam Shama

    Cont…. does my older friend’s experience sound typical. He looks very Jewush (though surprised to be told that!), is an atheist whose children with his half Jewish wife (whose Jewush father was also a professor) were baptised and he is a member in good standing of one of London’s most desirable and prestigious clubs. I haven’t heard him on HM. I have had the interesting experience of seating him next to a Rabbi friend who is sentimentally, though not entirely unrealistically, attached to Israel, and discovered that it was only their good manners which prevented me learning from raised voices that my English friend had little sympathy for hardnosed Israeli policies.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  304. @Avery

    Saving Private Ryan? LOL. And hey, America is an ally of the Turks that you love so much.

    • Replies: @Avery
  305. Corvinus says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    “The mainstream media has a well-established record of untruthfulness, if not outright lying.”

    You suffer from Fake News Syndrome.

    News today is driven by a desired narrative, more so than in decades past. You have the left and the right who craft a story based on facts, with each side serving as a political evangelical to promote their interpretation. HOWEVER, there are truths found here. Unfortunately, large segments of our society has been conditioned by social media “sensations”, reality television “stars”, and ratings driven media conglomerates to reject evidence that challenges their beliefs. They do it instinctively when confronted with attitude-inconsistent information. When someone attempts to inform them of their misconceptions, rather than take it under advisement, it “backfires”, which in effect makes them less skeptical of what they believe in, since obviously the other side is rife with their own false impressions. Thus, one continues to see their own position as “true and proper”. Of course, the argument stems from what is and what is not a misconception, whether it be “race realism” or “white privilege”, which ends up being a feedback loop.

    For example, consider this exchange on 60 Minutes.

    Cernovich–”How do you know Hillary had pneumonia?”
    Pelley–”The campaign said so.”
    Cernovich–”Why do you believe in the campaign?”

    On one hand, it is absolutely legitimate for Cernovich to question Pelley on why he is certain about Hillary’s medical problem. Pelley is taking her word at face value. On the other hand, Cernovich is ASSUMING that he knows for sure her health issues, and that any answer to the contrary automatically leads to his desired conclusion–the media is covering something up.

    Imagine if Pelley responded “Two independent doctors confirmed she has pneumonia”. Cervonich could have replied, and it is within the realm of possibility given his personality, “Well, they are in her hip pocket. She paid for their diagnosis. See, I do not have to prove that she suffers from seizures, you have to show she does not suffer from seizures”. Wayne Gale, the reporter in Natural Born Killers (1994) played by Robert Downey, Jr. demonstrates how modern journalism has evolved. The playbook implemented by Cernovich (and Keith Olbermann) pay homage to his tactics.

    It is virtually impossible to argue with those people who cling on this “Fake New” or “media lies” meme. Any fact you bring as an argument, they immediately attack the SOURCE, rather than the substance. Thus, it is easy to deny there is ANY evidence at all. This phenomenon has been brewing for a long time, and it has reached a critical mass at our point in world history. Unfortunately, this leads more people to become ignorant by facilitating echo chambers and confirmation bias. Rather than yell at the top of one’s lungs “Fake News” when they read a mainstream or alternative media story, and immediately discount everything, people ought look CRITICALLY at the facts, consider any bias, read other sources on the issue, and then draw their own conclusions.

  306. ia says:
    @Carroll Price

    Jews are not super-human. They benefited, along with blacks, feminists and gays, all pushing the civil rights agenda and the victim culture.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  307. iffen says:
    @Talha

    The neo-Nazis, WNs, KKK and white supremacists are small in number with many head cases sprinkled throughout. None of those four categories will garner very much support from white Americans. That said, many of the issues that they highlight are real and are not being addressed by the current political dynamics. The treatment that Trump is receiving only re-enforces the perception (reality?) that “the system” is corrupt and rigged against the interests of white Americans and the working class. Even as I oppose WNs, when I hear them chant, “You will not replace us!” that does not prevent me from thinking to myself, ” Well, you may replace us, but you are going to need to pack a lunch.”

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Talha
  308. ia says:
    @Avery

    You guys actually believe any significant number of Americans will side with the neo-Nazi nuts walking around on American streets carrying the Nazi flag?

    You’re going to find out in the coming decades. Either “Nazis” or dhimmitude. Take your pick if you’re a white guy. For example, if you oppose unlimited non-white immigration that is “hate speech.” You are a Nazi. If you criticize anti-white male corporate bias you are expressing “hateful” thoughts and will be fired.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @RobinG
  309. @Avery

    What your comment proves is that propaganda works, and that it has been relentless and seamless, purveying the same narrative from 1917 to 2017.

    And that Americans learn their ‘history’ from comic books/tv/Hollywood.

    In the mob psychology prevailing re Civil War and tearing down Confederate monuments, how many are aware that the South was the Athens of the New World, its lower-level schools as well as its universities the finest in USA.

    James Madison to W. T. Barry
    4 Aug. 1822

    The liberal appropriations made by the Legislature of Kentucky for a general system of Education cannot be too much applauded. A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.

    I have always felt a more than ordinary interest in the destinies of Kentucky.. . . Its rapid growth & signal prosperity in this character have afforded me much pleasure; which is not a little enhanced by the enlightened patriotism which is now providing for the State a Plan of Education embracing every class of Citizens, and every grade & department of Knowledge. . . .

    But, besides the consideration when the higher Seminaries belong to a plan of general education,. . . it is certain that every Class is interested in establishments which give to the human mind its highest improvements, and to every Country its truest and most durable celebrity.

    Learned Institutions ought to be favorite objects with every free people. They throw that light over the public mind which is the best security against crafty & dangerous encroachments on the public liberty.

  310. Avery says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    {Saving Private Ryan? LOL.}

    I didn’t know beefs can LOL: I thought youse ruminants can only moo.

    {And hey, America is an ally of the Turks that you love so much.}

    “America that you love so much”: sure do. Love her to death.
    Obviously it is impossible for beef to grasp the higher concept of loving the country and its people and not caring for its corrupted, foreign-infested Federal government.

    About thems Turks: see above about the corrupted , foreign-infested Federal government.

    btw:
    Iowa just became the 47th State in the Union to officially recognize the Armenian Genocide. Three more to go. I am sure America’s ‘ally’ Turks are thrilled.

    btw2:
    [D.C. Police: 12 Turkish Guards Charged for Beating Protesters, No Probable Cause Yet to Charge Erdogan]*

    {A dozen men who traveled with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to the U.S. last month have been charged criminally for a high-profile attack on protesters in the nation’s capital.
    The Turkish guards were filmed May 16 breaking through a police line, then kicking and punching protesters who had been chanting “baby-killer Erdogan” as the authoritarian leader arrived at the Turkish ambassador’s home.
    Metropolitan Police Department Chief Peter Newsham announced the charges at a Thursday press conference, saying that “in the United States, and particularly in the District of Columbia, we hold our ability to peacefully protest as a sacred right.”
    Newsham said arrest warrants for assault were issued for 12 Turkish citizens, including nine Turkish security officers and three Turkish police officers. He said police would like the public’s help to identify additional assailants.}

    UygurTürkoğlu nomad savages behaving like their nomad savage ancestors from Uyguristan.
    Nomad savages wearing European suits.

    ______
    *

    https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-06-15/dc-police-12-turkish-guards-charged-for-beating-protesters-no-probable-cause-yet-for-erdogan-arrest

  311. Avery says:
    @ia

    Being labelled and libeled a, quote, ‘Nazi’ is very different than walking around in America carrying a Nazi/Swastika flag.

    I am pretty sure most ‘white’ Americans know the difference.

    And countering/fighting the clear and obvious bias against while males in US by carrying around a Nazi flag or dressing up in a grand wizard costume has to be one of the most ineffective and counterproductive methods out there to fight anti-white bias.
    Just my opinion.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @ia
    , @SolontoCroesus
    , @ia
  312. One of the greatest grievances Jews held against Germans and NSDAP was the limitation on Jewish enrollment in German universities to a number proportionate to Jewish population of German Jews in Germany. Leonard Stein, Chaim Weizmann’s closest assistant and biographer, produced two small booklets with page after page of condemnation of the German government for “persecuting Jews” by restricting their enrollment in German universities.

    The most significant aspect of The Haskalah Movement in Eastern Europe (~1880) was permission for E European Jews to seek secular learning. E European Jews flooded into Germany and Austria to attend their superior universities. It got to the point that German youth were shut out of the institutions their fathers had created and funded.

    The Third Reich sought to redress that situation by imposing a limit on Jewish enrollment — not total expulsion, but a limit, to numbers equal to proportion of German Jews in the population.

    American Jews were at the forefront of raising the howl that this was “persecution of Jews.”

    In a speech in August 1933, Samuel Untermyer used that rallying cry, that “the barbarous Hitlerites” were “persecuting Jews.” The purpose of Untermyer’s speech was to raise funds to build Hebrew University in Palestine.

    In a series of lectures on “Jews and Capitalism,” Jerry Muller (professor at Catholic University in DC) states that Jewish success in wealth creation is attributable to their ability to see opportunity first, and to migrate to take advantage of opportunity; and conversely, to recognize when an economic situation is failing and divest from it quickly, moving away if expedient — Jews are NOT “blood and soil” people, they are migratory people who seek out and exploit economic opportunity.

    It’s in this context (among others) that Louis Brandeis’s directive to Rabbi Stephen Wise might be more fully understood: in early February 1933, Brandeis directed that “All Jews must leave Germany.”

    By that time, Jews had successfully placed FDR in the presidency and numerous Jewish persons in highly influential positions, not least Henry Morgenthau, Jr. in Treasury (his biographer records that Morgenthau expanded his portfolio to dominate State Dept. and numerous other high offices).

    Morgenthau and his cohort saw to it that Jews were admitted to USA in very large numbers, well exceeding their allotment in a time of mass unemployment and strict immigration quotas.

    A few years ago the Wyman Institute held a panel discussion at Fordham University on the “difficulties” Jewish immigrants had in obtaining university positions in the early 1930s. iirc (the video has been removed from the Wyman Institute website), the difficulties included dealing with the intransigence of native professors who were loathe to surrender their positions in favor of immigrant Jews — but surrender they did, under pressure from the usual suspects. Jews displaced entire faculties at some universities. New School was created for Jewish immigrants: very little of a scholarly nature or quality was taught, but PhDs were handed out like Hershey bars to Jewish immigrants who then spread out and took posts in universities throughout USA.

    These programs were initiated well before the first Jew was sent to a concentration camp, much less stuffed into a non-existent gas chamber.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    , @Sam Shama
  313. iffen says:

    I am pretty sure most ‘white’ Americans know the difference.

    Disagree with this part. Most Americans are going to be (have been) persuaded by the MSM that there is little difference between the two. Easy enough (sometimes not) for us in this tiny bubble to see and know the difference, not so “most people.”

  314. ia says:
    @Avery

    Most normal white men who identify as conservative are culturally illiterate and backward. They could learn from performance artists how to make a statement where they “own the insult.” For instance, there was a Chinese/American in the 80s who donned Mao costume and hair style and photographed himself in front of various American monuments. There was a German artist by the name of Anselm Kiefer who had himself photographed sieg heiling all over Germany. He’s now one of the most famous artists in the world. Ya gotta know how to finesse it.

    When Public Theater “rehearsed” Donald Trump’s assasination in Central Park they would say “we must confront difficult issues courageously.” Total bullshit of course but white guys should learn how to play the game. Symbols and images are vastly superior to rhetoric and brilliant essays when it comes to influencing public opinion and transmitting culture.

    Take Charlottesville. The media is spinning it as Neo-Nazi murder yet the 11-second scene of the crash shows no Nazis only frenzied favela escapees mobbing a car with clubs. This image should be played over and over because images go directly to the sub-cortex bypassing cognition. And this is a very powerful image. But, as usual the “alt-right” drops the ball.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=aHUXV6sdiBo

  315. @Avery

    Lady Michele Redouf made this presentation in Vancouver in 2015.

    There’s a great deal of wisdom in it.

    https://justice4germans.wordpress.com

    Lady Redouf counseled these Do s and Don’t s for those Europeans who are activists on behalf of their national sovereignty

    the DON’T s:

    –> resist “prancing around like Hollywood neo-Nazis” and

    –> reject use of Nazi symbols; and also to

    –> refrain from political nostalgia — work for the future;

    –> avoid conspiracy theories

    –> avoid using the term “far right;” “this is the Predator’s term applied to us; we are Identarians.”

    but (and this is geared to Germans)

    DO

    –> claim for Germans the historical fact that they were holocausted — innocent Germans were deliberately burned alive; Germans should claim that ‘brand’

    –> Germans should use facts and evidence to inform, unequivocally, that Germans did not start the war;

    –> define goals in terms of cultural identity rather than political party: Lady Redouf said:

    “Wagner said, If we had art, meaning, if we had culture and understood our own Identity and could understand the Predator, we would not need politics. We just need a leader who would understand and protect us from the Predator, and keeps our Identity, makes us proud and wishing to uphold that identity.”

  316. @Avery

    You are correct of course, but my comment carried with it two unexpressed thoughts or assumptions. The first being that the neo-Nazis label applied by Marxist agitators to anyone holding traditional or nationalist values is a clever ruse. It’s name-calling and nothing more. With the other unexpressed thought being that when push comes to shove, surely the average American will to see through the ruse and side with those who clearly support their values and way of life -but I wouldn’t bet on it.

  317. ia says:
    @Avery

    And I might add, its easier to “play the game” for white men because all we need to do is reveal the truth. Its a lot harder for our enemies who must lie.

    They have to convince themselves (and everyone else) that a Dodge Charger is a Nazi and that a raging mob with clubs are an innocent white woman.

  318. anarchyst says:
    @iffen

    Most of those “types” are actually government-paid “agents provocateur” and are used to further the anti-white, leftist political agenda.
    Multiculturalism and diversity are code-words for white genocide.

    • Replies: @iffen
  319. @MARKO

    “What if it turns out that the politically more acceptable counter-demonstrators deliberately provoked the violence and were allowed to get away with it?”

    Assuming the demonstration was not a complete set-up (which is looking more and more likely all the time) I don’t think there’s any doubt the counter-demonstrators provoked the violence. Because, if they had not been there (without a permit) and allowed to come in contact with the legitimate (neo-Nazis) demonstrators, little if any violence would have occurred. What everyone seems to be missing in their efforts to assign blame, is regardless of who was a fault, the Marxist agitators represented by ANTIFA got everything they wanted, and more too. Which was the removal (nationwide) of numerous other monuments and statues without even asking. If that’s not brilliant strategy, what is?

  320. @ia

    Jews have always used low IQ blacks as a battering ram behind which to push civil rights, politically correct, and gay rights legislation and court decisions, that in the end benefit them more than anyone else. They’re now using blacks to spark a new cultural revolution, that if allowed to run it’s course, will result in the destruction of every statue and monument connected in any way to the proven superiority of Caucasian culture over all others.

  321. iffen says:
    @anarchyst

    Most of those “types” are actually government-paid “agents provocateur” and are used to further the anti-white, leftist political agenda.

    Incorrect; only a small number are poseurs and provocateurs, because only a few are needed.

    Multiculturalism and diversity are code-words for white genocide.

    This slogan has limited appeal which is demonstrated by the fact that it has been around forever and has not produced much in the way of results. It is true that the current political dynamics and emphasis by the left on identity politics is giving diversity a bad name. The fact remains that most Americans are quite accepting of people of other races and cultures; it is the death of, or abandonment of, the ideal of assimilation along with the government acquiescing to unlimited illegal immigration that is causing the current heartburn.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @SolontoCroesus
  322. Rurik says:
    @Talha

    Hey Talha,

    Nazis or Antifa? Hmmm…

    What would like for dinner; crap casserole or a sh** sandwich?

    yep, and if you replace Antifa with Bolshevik/communist, (which is pretty accurate) then you’d have the dilemma that millions of people all over Europe were faced with in the 1930s and 40s.

    If you were an Ukrainian or Pole, and had just watched the NKVD genocide your fellow citizens, you might hate the Nazis with a passion, but considering the alternative, donning a Wehrmacht uniform might have been your only, (if unpalatable) choice.

    and that’s what it’s coming down to again. The Antifa are demanding that white men have no rights. We need to be discriminated against, no matter how impoverished, and maligned and demonized and replaced. We need to have every monument to our heritage and traditions destroyed and pulled down. We need to have all ‘dead old white men’ purged from our text books and excoriated as evil and racist.

    in a word, we need to bow our heads in collective shame and hand over all we have, out of guilt.

    or

    we can tell them all to f**k off, and eat ****

    which will make us de-facto ‘Nazis’

    it’s our choice I guess

    Peace

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Carroll Price
  323. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    I’m not even White and I think it’s pretty stupid how White people are talked about in the public sphere. I cannot believe some of the things these activists are saying.

    Well, you may replace us, but you are going to need to pack a lunch

    There will be no replacement. White people aren’t going anywhere. The only ones that will be replaced are those choosing not to have kids; they will be replaced by other Whites and non-Whites who choose otherwise – this is basic logic and mathematics.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  324. anarchyst says:
    @iffen

    You are correct. However, assimilation is only expected of whites. Other cultures are praised for NOT assimilating.
    Acceptance of people of other cultures by whites is not the problem. However, it is the increasing demonization of white people, denying by law, the ability for whites to form organizations that promote our own self-interests that is the problem. One-sided application of “civil-rights” protections IS a big problem.
    Blaming whites for all of our country’s problems will result in “blowback”. It’s already occurring.
    Already, white people are “going to ground” and forming (what the $PLC and other “hate groups” consider) semi-clandestine organizations in order to advance our own interests. White people are tired of being blamed for all of the world’s ills.
    It is long overdue for us whites to turn our altruism inward, to benefit ourselves, the other cultures be damned.
    Regards,

  325. anarchyst says:
    @Rurik

    My relatives and friends who lived through WW2 in Europe had no problem pointing out the Bolshevik communist “commissars” (who were primarily jews) to the Germans. ANYTHING was better than living under the boot heel of communism. They described the Germans as being very polite. When troop movements were in play, the occupants of the town were politely requested to stay indoors until the troops moved through. There were many individual acts of kindness rendered to the townspeople by German soldiers.
    They tell of their experiences growing up, dirt poor, while seeing the communist party officials live like royalty. Quite often the communists would sell hard-to-get foreign goods to them, making money in the transaction.
    While Christian and Russian Orthodox churches were “repurposed” as warehouses and stables by the Bolsheviks, NOT ONE SYNAGOGUE was touched.
    It is interesting to note that the majority of Bolsheviks were not ethnic Russians, but were primarily Ashkenazic jews. Sorta tells you something…

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @Rurik
  326. @iffen

    The fact remains that most Americans are quite accepting of people of other races and cultures; it is the death of, or abandonment of, the ideal of assimilation along with the government acquiescing to unlimited illegal immigration that is causing the current heartburn.

    Two points: (maybe three, I lost track)

    1. AGREE, most people are accepting — even delight in — other cultures: most people aspire to travel to experience other cultures.

    2. but Assimilate to WHAT, exactly? Is there an “American” culture?
    Neal Gabler argues in “An Empire of their Own” that Jews who run Hollywood created a fantasy version of USA that, thru the dominance of Jews in media and dominance of Hollywood in US culture, has come to define American culture.

    Is there some American culture that did not pass thru the Jewish filter?

    Why would people with a proud heritage wish to assimilate to what is, in my view, a debased culture? “The American dream” is a Jewish – Hollywood invention; it involves getting a job, buying a house, sending kids to college, retiring.
    Really?
    Is that anything that speaks to the grandeur of the human spirit?

    3. Anyway, why would anyone wish to reduce the flavor of his own cultural background to plain vanilla, to assimilate.

    In the good ole days, immigrants lived in neighborhoods and communities that reflected their cultures: there were Little Italies and Deutschtowns and the Polish section; the Catholic church was organized in parishes that frequently were defined by a dominant ethnic group — when I was a kid, there was the Irish parish (St Patrick’s — how original), the Polish church (St Stanislaus), an Italian parish, one for Hungarians. These parishes/neighborhoods held ethnic festivals and parades that celebrated and featured the particular culture, but everybody in the area participated and enjoyed.

    What has broken down today — what is being deliberately demeaned and erased — is that ethnic pride: it happened in major ways with Germans in the era of the wars: Germans had had singing clubs; German was taught in public schools, many neighborhoods were multilingual. German culture was preserved and respected and enjoyed by Germans AND non Germans.
    Then that got forcibly erased.

    Similar things are happening to other Old Europe ethnic identities: they are systematically demeaned and insulted.

    If society is going to be multiculti, its government should strike down actions that set about destroying the cultural legacy of one ethnic group in favor of another.

    Read again the explication Avraham and the Idol Shop: Abraham formed the belief that HIS notions were right, the stargazers* were wrong, that all other ideas were wrong, and that he had the right to destroy other people’s icons because they were not his, correct, icon.

    This is the myth-religious basis for the phenomenon that Priss described here: http://www.unz.com/article/thoughts-on-charlottesville-and-what-it-means-for-us/#comment-1968957

    First, we need to ask, what is the ruling power in America? It is Jewish Power, . . .

    What is the nature of this power? It is supremacist. What do I mean by this? Supremacism is domination over others. . . .

    Why is Jewish Power supremacist? Because it demands that non-Jews, especially whites, suspend or nullify their own identity, interests, and agenda to serve the needs of Jewish Power.

    The Jewish people in my neighborhood do not set out to smash other people’s icons — well, come to think of it, maybe they would: if I flew a swastika from my front porch, they’d see that Jewish enforcers had it removed —
    I agree w/ Lady Redouf https://justice4germans.wordpress.com that to display such symbols plays into the hands of the Predator, but on another level, why should I or anyone be forbidden to display a swastika? Because it offends the hysterical concocted sensibilities of a small group? That’s their problem. If the swastika can be banned, then the Confederate flag can be banned, then the Stars and Stripes can be banned. Why should Jews be given special protections — that is truly un-American.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
  327. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    If you don’t like the movies from Hollywood, make your own.

    If you don’t like the fact that your congress critters are bought and paid for by AIPAC, buy your own congress critters.

    It’s the American way!

  328. iffen says:
    @Talha

    I cannot believe some of the things these activists are saying.

    In my opinion the far right currently has minimal support, but conditions continuously change.

    I really believe that Zionism would have died on the vine had AH not come along. Sometimes identity formation is pushed to a self-sustaining level by the opposition.

  329. Rurik says:
    @anarchyst

    They described the Germans as being very polite.

    that’s what I’ve heard as well, but then if you were a Russian living in Stalingrad, not so much I’m assuming.

    but the Germans never would have marched on Stalingrad had there been no genocidal Bolshevik threat.

    and all of that is being re-lived today with the very same actors in the very same roles. The International Jews running the commie, Antifa show with their armies of orcs and losers, and the beleaguered white men playing the role of Nazi – a label they’ll give us whether we like it or not.

    and just like with Germany, they will keep agitating for our collective subjugation, or we will be forced to crush their movement under our iron will to persevere.

    only this time it isn’t just Germany and Eastern Europe who’re fighting to be free, but the entire Western civilization is being targeted for defeat and humiliation and far, far worse.

  330. iffen says:

    Actually we are caught in a civil war between Jews which began in the 1st century AD. After a lull of a few hundred years, it picked up speed after the Jewish emancipation and hit overdrive with the rise of nation-state nationalism and into the modern era. On one side are the followers of Jesus, the apostate who stole the Jewish God and gave it to the non-Jews. On the other side are the Jews who wish to keep the Jewish God just for themselves. It’s a Jewish world; we just live in it.

    Apologies to Yuri Slezkine.

    • Replies: @Off The Street
  331. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Jewish success in wealth creation is attributable to their ability to see opportunity first, and to migrate to take advantage of opportunity; and conversely, to recognize when an economic situation is failing and divest from it quickly, moving away if expedient ….

    Here, you betray more than a general lack of knowledge and understanding of capitalism. Waters too deep for a community college training and interaction [per your own admission] to allow safe navigation. I say that with utmost sincerity and without a trace of snobbery.

    Any researcher worth their salt and academic integrity intact should tell you: (1) capitalism has existed ever since voluntary exchange emerged amongst human groups (2) central to capitalism is the idea of creative destruction, which requires less efficient enterprises to be replaced by more efficient ones; something which Jews do understand and you possibly don’t (3) modernisation of exchange systems and intertemporal cost of capital are two key insights which propelled capitalism and sent modern economies on a path of economic growth unwitnessed in prior eras and, (4) Jews were the most important group in the development of (3).

    Furthermore,
    (5) Innovation and Entrepreneurship have always seen dis-proportionately heavy Jewish representation. This is evident amongst all Jewish groups immigrating to the U.S. from various national origins. For example, amongst German and Austrian immigrants to the United States [1750-present] Jewish immigrants were 3% but accounted for more than 32% of the major enterprises [think department stores, catalogue shopping, Reuters, Bloomberg, Sears-Roebuck, Theater, Cinema, vaudeville, Nickelodeon, professional sports, etc. the list can go on]

    (6) Jewish minds were the avant garde of modern monetary and fiscal economics. Well, John Maynard Keynes was the towering giant and a rare exception, but his more than worthy Antigone, Paul Samuelson truly revolutionised matters. Modern Banking is the practical child of this tradition, embraced by all industrialised nations and really, the world at large.

    (7) Why are Jews so heavily represented in the pursuits of capitalism? No easy answers [you might have the predictably superficial ones], but there are two other similar groups: Armenians and certain Indian castes.

    When you profess Learning and feel compelled to lecture, do so knowing your subject really well. A little more objectivity, and a little of the blatant biases.

    • Replies: @iffen
  332. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    I really believe that Zionism would have died on the vine had AH not come along.

    Likely. And if Arab nationalism had also not come about and torn apart the Ottoman Empire. It was the rise of ethno-nationalism in that part of the world and we are dealing with the consequences.

    Israel was always a European Jewish project based upon the European Jewish experience – I don’t recall reading anything about Jews in Morocco, Iraq, Istanbul, etc. pining for carving out a separate place for themselves – probably, as you said, they were doing relatively OK. Sure they went there after Israel was established and the SHTF, but that desire always seemed to be foreign to the Levant and the Middle East.

    The Jewish-Iraqi poet, Anwar Sha’ul once wrote:

    My heart beats with love of the Arabs,
    My mouth proudly spekas their tongue.
    Do they and I not share a common source?
    The distant past drew us together.
    That day in al-Ablq, when al-Samaw’al incorporated,
    In the book of faithfulness an Arab example.
    Today we march towards glory,
    together we long for a happy tomorrow.
    My childhood blossomed by the waters of the Tigris.
    The days of my youth drank of the Euphrates.
    O Homeland of Arabism, blessed be you as a shelter
    Whose Beauty shines throughout the country.
    I love my dear homeland and those
    Whoenobled me with their love.
    Our fates have been bound together in a homeland,
    Which is water, air and glamor to us.

    Is an Iraqi Jew any more an Iraqi Jew if he doesn’t live in his ancient homeland between the Tigris and Euphrates? How long before his unique identity is erased? Yemeni Jews? Persian Jews?

    I’m hoping with enough time and cooler heads prevailing, things can go back to a semblance of how they were before the foreign ideology of secular ethno-nationalism took root. Eventually, they’ll have to decide – do they want a “lead role in a cage” or go back to being able to travel and settle freely in the wider Middle East. It’ll require honest and sincere efforts and compromise from both sides.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  333. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    I really believe that Zionism would have died on the vine had AH not come along. Sometimes identity formation is pushed to a self-sustaining level by the opposition.

    On what set of data do you place that belief?

    Zionism was far more about Russian Jews than Germans — Russians pushed zionism.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Wizard of Oz
  334. iffen says:
    @anon

    On what set of data do you place that belief?

    Millions of people like me who believe that if anybody “deserves” a nation-state of their own, it is these people.

    • Replies: @anon
  335. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    What you say about Jews, particularly in the UK, surely has quite a lot to do with class does it not? That is to say intelligent educated successful Jews leaping into the Enlightenment, then finding themselves in the country which for two or three generations was plausibly at the leading edge of civilisation in the new age of Progress, happily sought to assimilate to the best of the upper classes and to traditions and rituals which seemed comfortably to be stable parts of it.

    Yes indeed it does have a great deal to do with class, although Brit politeness and tradition requires a total rejection of overt display of class, preferring understated yet unmistakable breeding which can only come with education and lineage. And of course the stiff upper lip. Lineages do expand to accommodate the new. BTW I’ve experienced the very same in good breeding, education, comportment and culture in all the Anglosphere nations, some of the best Down Under :-). Jews aspiring join British, or more to the point, English society, since being English is rather more difficult than being British, did face difficulties as might be expected. It is a matter best explained by resistance arising from both sides of the divide. I reckon that particular rubicon has been crossed to a large extent.

    As to your older friend’s experience, I can only surmise that it is not quite out of the ordinary. I vaguely recall reading a piece written by Roger Cohen [whose father emigrated en famille from South Africa to the U.K. ] which dealt with that subject matter. I’ll send it your way if I manage to locate it.

    Many Brit Jews are opposed to the hard-nosed Israeli policies.

  336. iffen says:
    @Talha

    One more sweeping generalization:

    The Jews have been riding the crest of the wave for quite some time. They spent centuries honing their skills in the relative stability of the Muslim world, then hit the Italian beaches and into Central Europe at just the right time to cash in on the Enlightenment and the industrialization of the West.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anon
  337. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Why are Jews so heavily represented in the pursuits of capitalism? No easy answers

    Inside information from and partiality by the cosmic CEO. :)

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  338. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “but Assimilate to WHAT, exactly? Is there an “American” culture?”

    Your post was written to resurrect something impossible, indeed antithetical to the idea of American Exceptionalism.

    American Exceptionalism does not mean the people are exceptional. It is the exceptional will of the people to embrace certain ideas: of the primacy of the individual rights and duties, of freedom from taxation without representation and, the freedom to enter into voluntary transactions. These were the exceptional ideas which set apart the Old World from the New World.

    American Exceptionalism demands that each idea, each enterprise, each proposal, be subject to the marketplace; of ideas, enterprises, and proposals. The exceptionally good win the day and the poorly conceived lose. What starts as the Irish, Polish, German, Italian, English, Jewish enclave, gives way to that which emerges as the most desired by a majority of inhabitants. That is the American way.

    There is a world of difference between Americans rejecting Nazi symbols like the crooked-cross and dismantling statues of Lee. American GIs were instrumental in putting an end to that dark period of German history, thus a plurality of Americans consider it a repugnant symbol.

    The Civil War in the minds of Americans today, was an internal dispute and a plurality of Americans do not consider it a repugnant symbol. It is, in fact, a statue of an American general who reminds many of us of a great heritage of the South. It should be re-erected. The Confederate Flag may not be banned. The flag is a reminder of the people’s desire to avert an excessive interference from the central government.

    That is how this Jew feels.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @iffen
  339. Sam Shama says:
    @Sam Shama

    The penultimate paragraph should read:

    The Civil War in the minds of Americans was an internal dispute and a plurality of Americans today, do not consider its symbols repugnant. Lee’s statue is the statue of an American general and reminds many of us of a great heritage of the South. It should be re-erected. No one in the US believes in Slavery today. Similarly, the Confederate Flag may not be banned. The flag is a reminder of the people’s desire to avert an excessive interference from the central government.

  340. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Atta boy Sam, you tell’im, and like I told him, “make your own damn movies,” I’m sticking with the Coen bros.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  341. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    Yeah – that’s too general. The Muslim world’s experience with its Jewish minority has been quite varied depending on time and location. Depending on context you might find Jews; fighting and dying alongside Muslims to defend Muslim lands or being fought and killed by Muslims in battle, living in squalor in isolated enclaves or fully and vibrantly integrated into the economy and neighborhoods, pursuing and contributing to science and medicine or contributing nothing other than small labor and services, being rescued by Muslims from pogroms or at the receiving end of a pogrom by Muslims, etc. But yes, a while after the Enlightenment kicked in (mostly around the 18th century onward), the West was generally a better place to reside as a Jew (except for certain – ahem – notable incidences).

    As late as 1799, Haim Farhi – the Jewish adviser to the Ottoman governor – held Acre’s defenses together against Napoleon’s forces and refused to switch sides even though Napoleon promised him a nascent Zionist plan:
    “The city’s ruler and commander, Jezzar Pasha, had a trusted Jewish advisor whom Bonaparte attempted to win over with a surprising declaration. On April 20, 1799, Napoleon Bonaparte had an order penned, declaring that when he conquered the territory, Jews, who he called the ‘rightful heirs of Palestine,’ would inherit the land.
    France and his army, Napoleon wrote to the Jews in what many today point to as one of the first iterations of modern Zionism, ‘offers to you at this very time, and contrary to all expectations, Israel’s patrimony.’ Haim Farhi, Jezzar Pasha’s advisor, was not, however, wooed by the French general’s promises of Jewish sovereignty in the land of Israel.”

    http://www.jpost.com/Features/In-Thespotlight/This-Week-in-History-Napoleon-is-repelled-from-Acre

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  342. RobinG says:
    @ia

    Looks like you’re spreading Fake News.

    There is no unlimited immigration of any kind. And there’s nothing to oppose because nobody’s proposing open borders (except some goofy Libertarians).

    • Replies: @ia
  343. RobinG says:
    @iffen

    Et voilà, If-it provides the motive for Zionists who supported the Nazis.

    • Replies: @iffen
  344. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    [Inside information from and partiality by the cosmic CEO. :) ]

    Hahaaa. Until he inserts certain clauses, i.e,…….

  345. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    [I’m sticking with the Coen bros.]

    Me too, man! “Burn after Reading” a huge favourite.

  346. ia says:
    @RobinG

    “According to one of the leaked emails, Clinton told Banco Itau in 2013, “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders … ”

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clintons-apparent-call-open-borders-trade-draws-scrutiny/story?id=42669657

  347. Rurik says:
    @iffen

    Sometimes identity formation is pushed to a self-sustaining level by the opposition.

    the meaning of Charlottesville

    kudos

    • Replies: @iffen
  348. iffen says:
    @RobinG

    Zionists who supported the Nazis

    I’ve read some of the stuff posted here by the compulsive pasters and there was no significant “support for” the Nazis. It was more along the line of making hay while the sun was shining in order to save a few lives.

    BTW, feeble or non-existent enforcement of immigration law translates as a practical matter into unlimited immigration, or rather, the limits are set by the immigrants.

  349. iffen says:

    On Topic!

    The Mayor of Charlottesville has taken himself out of the loop in the creation of the plan for riot and its execution. He says he was not allowed to assist with the plan, nor was he allowed in the “war room” on Saturday. According to him, the plan was created and implemented by the City Manager and the Police Chief; further, he says McAuliffe made the decision to shut down the legally permitted assembly in Emancipation Park and it was the State Police, not Charlottesville PD, that pushed the UTR people out of the park and into the streets where the antifas were waiting.

  350. iffen says:
    @Rurik

    the meaning of Charlottesville

    The meaning of Charlottesville is that we had a failure of the rule of law and a continuing collapse of professional journalism and only a few people realize or know this.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  351. @iffen

    Many people talk to God frequently, often without the benefit of official sanction, or maybe with the “wrong one”. Many Unz readers are in those groups. Who is to say if we are tuned out?

    • Replies: @iffen
  352. Rurik says:
    @iffen

    we had a failure of the rule of law and a continuing collapse of professional journalism and only a few people realize or know this.

    shallow and trite

    the meaning of Charlottesville runs as deep as the oceans

    Sometimes identity formation is pushed to a self-sustaining level by the opposition.

    you had it right the first time

  353. @Rurik

    You make an excellent point. Anyway you look at it, all white people who refuse to willing bow their heads and surrender their culture will, by default, become Nazis. There are no alternatives. None. So, with that being clearly the case, I will proudly accept the title and wear it with pride.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  354. @Sam Shama

    I have a scenario in mind that needs Jewish producer and director. Redhaired blue-eyed Jewish cousins Sol Sphincter and Sid Sceiße-Esser join the SS and immediately settle in as the Milo Minderbinder Bros of their quartermaster and transport companies. Of course they save many Jewish lives and only charge the unpleasant and ungrateful ones their whole Picasso collections. They end up of course immensely rich and their picaresque passage of 1945 impersonations, travels via Istanbul and Palestine (far too dangerous), donations to found the Simon Wiesenthal Centre Inc and own its name, on to South America and then much later on to NYC and LA where they float into Republican and Democrat ruling circles with the trophy wives on their arms at the fundraisers and new names Solomon Samson and Sidney Sherman. Then I envisage a final scene modeled on the great South Park spoof of McCain and Obama getting together to rob the Smithsonian but deciding McCain could take the loot and Obama stay on as President.

    I started off with an idea which made me want to ask “how long before one could dare think of making it?” but now think it’s well within the purview of “The Book of Mormon’s” South Park producers. Are they Jewish? I’m about to Google….well Matt Stone has a Jewish mother…

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @iffen
  355. @iffen

    If not for Zionist Jews, AH would not have come along. He would have retired an architect or painter. But he did come along as a result of the same disgusting, stifling, over-bearing condtiotins and attitudes on display here in this country today. From what I am able to determine, social and economic conditions are strikingly similar to what they were in German during the 1920s and early 30s, with over-bearing Jews being way over-represented in virtually every aspect of German life. from university professors, doctors, lawyers, and of course bankers. Plus, they owned the news media (printed press at that time) just like they own it in this country today. Self respecting people can put up with only so much. Considering and comparing what conditions were like in Germany then and what they are becoming in this country today, I have no doubt they would gladly do it all over again. Even knowing that the final results would be no different from what they turned out to be. Like my Confederate kin and their brothers who died fighting for an independent country free of Yankee ways and attitudes, I also thank the German soldiers who died fighting for basically the same things. May god rest their souls.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  356. @anon

    Why would Jews in the Soviet Union in the 30s and 40s have continued the escape from Czarist era oppression? No doubt there would have been a trickle of Polish Jews but how would a new state have come about? Indeed Zionists pushed to desperate measures to maintain momentum may have just about destroyed most of their support.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  357. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Hah. A fine plot Wiz; I detect shades of Tarantino. You may have noticed Iffen and I were speaking of the Coen Bros. earlier. Might suit their tastes as well, who knows? I hear they are very approachable…….

  358. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Millions of people like me who believe that if anybody “deserves” a nation-state of their own, it is these people.

    That’s not data. That’s mob psychology in action.

    What do all of those “millions” know about the history of zionism?

    Zionism gained major momentum before AH was born; it was a fait accompli by 1917.

    Zionists needed someone like AH to complete their plans; that’s one reason a great deal of Jewish money supported him.

    • Replies: @iffen
  359. iffen says:
    @Off The Street

    Who is to say if we are tuned out?

    Not me, I still check my inbox every day, even after forty or so years; nothing yet.

  360. iffen says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You need to put in a genetics hook; powerful Nazi leader meets genetic testing and finds out he was adopted, meanwhile prominent Zionist also ….

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Wizard of Oz
  361. iffen says:
    @anon

    Zionism gained major momentum before AH was born; it was a fait accompli by 1917.

    We can’t know for sure, but I believe that the Holocaust was essential to gain the acquiescence of Britain and the US to the creation of “Israel.” Otherwise we would have had the modified millet system that was envisioned by the Mandate coming out of WWI and Jews would have been a protected minority within a larger political entity. Certainly the Holocaust plays a major role in continuing support and sympathy for Israel which is why anti-Semites while away their hours polishing their denial scenarios.

    You contradict yourself, a fait accompli by defintion does not need to be completed.

  362. iffen says:
    @Talha

    I didn’t mean that they weren’t persecuted at different places and different times. I meant that they were able to practice religious, commercial and financial activities across and among many countries within an empire that was relatively stable and somewhat uniform.

    • Replies: @Talha
  363. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Ah OK – I agree there – minus the whole Mongol invasion thing.

    Peace.

  364. geokat62 says:

    When you profess Learning and feel compelled to lecture, do so knowing your subject really well. A little more objectivity, and a little of the blatant biases.

    Couldn’t agree more. That said, I couldn’t help but notice the flawed understanding of the defining characteristics of capitalism displayed in item #1 of your short list of things a good researcher should tell you:

    Any researcher worth their salt and academic integrity intact should tell you: (1) capitalism has existed ever since voluntary exchange emerged amongst human groups…

    This is not true. According to Karl Polanyi,… the hallmark of capitalism is the establishment of generalized markets for what he called the “fictitious commodities” i.e.., land, labor, and money.

    Accordingly, he argued that “not until 1834 was a competitive labor market established in England, hence industrial capitalism as a social system cannot be said to have existed before that date.” – The Great Transformation, p. 87.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Sam Shama
  365. @iffen

    Yes the Moses idea can be interwoven with mother’s affair with non-Jewish army lieutenanf (and future Nazi general) on New years Eve 1914 just as her Jewish husband has returned to the front……. In 1933 she uses the old affair (including postcard from the front and photo of them together) to get her boy accepted in police officer training school from which he slips into the SS. That’s one of them….Maybe the equally redheaded blue eyed cousin just slips in on a bit of un German carelessness when his cousin fiddles things.

    • Replies: @iffen
  366. @geokat62

    No one would have coined the novel descriptive word “capitalism” if it had existed as long as “voluntary exchange amongst human groups” (many thousands of years in other words). Something like it is needed to mark the replacement of status by contract and landed feudal lords’ authority and source and nature of wealth by the ownedship of productive businesses by those who have aggregated capital.

  367. iffen says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Meanwhile, his maternal uncle narrowly escapes being shot during the crushing of the Bavarian Soviet when a Friekorp Major freezes upon the hallucination of the face of his past lover. The uncle makes his way to Moscow where he becomes a trusted Bolshevik. When WWII comes he is made military Commissar for the Eastern Front. He is at front when a SS unit …

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  368. Back in the day, we did a lot in the neighborhood and we knew the ground.

    Now, no so much. It is going to take a big shock, to create the self-organization needed.

  369. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    [This is not true]

    There is hardly anything unequivocally ‘true’ or ‘false’ in economics. Still, taking economics lessons from a sociologist turned ‘economist’ of the ‘Austrian School’ is rather like asking Benedictine monks for tips on elocution. If there is great treasure to be had there, it is yours to take; exclusively.

    The important word is ‘voluntary’. Transactions create markets but voluntary ones lead to free and competitive general equilibria.

    Land, Labour and money are fictitious commodities then? Well, explain that to me in your own words please, not cut and pastes. If you believe so why do you tie yourself up in knots over the fictitious monies sent the Lobby’s way by its members or the sums sent to the ‘Villa in the Jungle’? You should think it over, before replying.

  370. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    You chaps are spinning quite a yarn there! I want you to work in a plain talking but highly intelligent hillbilly [which they mostly are imho] as an American captain leading ……

    • Replies: @iffen
  371. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Brad Pitt as First Lieutenant Aldo “The Apache” Raine Part II

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  372. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “Czarist era oppression” was not the main impetus for zionism. Zionism’s roots had more to do with Jewish ideologies and quasi-religious impulses — the “return to zion” had long been a theme among Jews; a number of writers and leaders in Poland/Lithuania/Russia raised the notion to a fever-pitch.

    As well, the early 20th century was one of deep economic distress, not least for Jews, who had massively over-reproduced. Economic opportunity drove migration.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  373. geokat62 says:

    There is hardly anything unequivocally ‘true’ or ‘false’ in economics.

    Oh, really? How ’bout this:

    A Walrasian competitive equilibrium leads to a Pareto efficient allocation of resources? T or F?

    If there is great treasure to be had there, it is yours to take; exclusively.

    Exclusively? Try, again.

    The important word is ‘voluntary’. Transactions create markets but voluntary ones lead to free and competitive general equilibria.

    No, the important word is ‘capitalism.” And it is patently false to claim that “capitalism has existed ever since voluntary exchange emerged amongst human groups,” and you know it… or you should know it, if you really are in possession of a PhD in Math. Economics.

    Land, Labour and money are fictitious commodities then? Well, explain that to me in your own words please, not cut and pastes.

    Unlike widgets, which are specifically created for the market, Land, L, K are not produced for sale on the market, and according to Polanyi, they should, given their distinctive properties, be accorded protected rights.

    If you believe so why do you tie yourself up in knots over the fictitious monies sent the Lobby’s way by its members or the sums sent to the ‘Villa in the Jungle’? You should think it over, before replying.

    Speaking of fictitious things, it appears the Zionist project is increasingly regarded as a fictitious state by more and more Jews. You’d think this might prompt some high IQ individuals to reconsider the prudence of investing vast sums of monies to perpetuate something that has a limited self life. But I’m not holding my breath.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  374. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    [A Walrasian competitive equilibrium leads to a Pareto efficient allocation of resources? T or F?]

    Not unequivocally true. It depends if each economic agent’s utility function is mathematically orthogonal to the utility function of all other economic agents. Ouch. I think I got your goat a bit eh? Sorry I actually do respect sociologists.

    [No, the important word is ‘capitalism.” And it is patently false to claim that “capitalism has existed ever since voluntary exchange emerged amongst human groups,” and you know it… or you should know it, if you really are in possession of a PhD in Math. Economics.]

    LOL. You are knotting yourself over [once again] semantics. Understand the key concept. You can define capitalism to be anything that fits your whimsy, but most economists, freshwater or saltwater, would require transactions to be voluntary. The most standard understanding of the word ‘capitalism’ is that it is something which annoys virtue-signaling socialists or sociologists?……there, that is a definition you might not quarrel with, eh?

    [Unlike widgets, which are specifically created for the market, Land, L, K are not produced for sale on the market, and according to Polanyi, they should, given their distinctive properties, be accorded protected rights.]

    As I said, you and fellow travelers are welcome to exclusive rights on Polanyi and his Austrian School of thought.

    Factors of production, Land, Labour and Capital, [inputs in the Production Function], are exchanged in free markets [naturally in the real world there are frictions], your dreams to the contrary notwithstanding. There are other things in a modern economy, that are not “produced” in the old sense but still exchanged in voluntary markets. Can you think of any?[hint: something which is very likely the next frontier in humanity's progress] In any case whatever you mean by “reserved” makes little difference. They are exchanged in free markets perhaps under certain constraints.

    [Speaking of fictitious things, it appears the Zionist project is increasingly regarded as a fictitious state by more and more Jews. You’d think this might prompt some high IQ individuals to reconsider the prudence of investing vast sums of monies to perpetuate something that has a limited self life. But I’m not holding my breath.]

    Nice try, but that little ending rant has nothing to do with what I pointed out to you: if monies are fictitious, you ought not to get yourself into impossible pretzel-like poses over the sums sent to the Lobby, should you? What on earth is “self life?” Is that some species of deeply delicious amoral concept I missed in Nietzsche’s work?

  375. geokat62 says:

    Not unequivocally true.

    Of course not… especially for someone who is fond of equivocating.

    You can define capitalism to be anything that fits your whimsy,

    Yes, of course. If you are a first rate dissembler, I suppose anything can be defined according to one’s “whimsy.”

    What on earth is “self life?” Is that some species of deeply delicious amoral concept I missed in Nietzsche’s work?

    Yes, of course. I’ve become keenly aware of your fondness of “deeply delicious amoral” things…no surprise there.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  376. @anonymous

    You probably know more about this than I but it does occur to me that the very important early financial support from one or more English Rothschilds might have had less to do with any old dreams of return to the Promised Land (which it is hard to imagine a Rothschild doing – apart from the odd lowish-for-a-Rothschild-IQ recovering LSD taker going to a kibbutz) than typical worthy English upper and upper middle class philanthropy which included everything from Wakefieldian settlement of South Australia to mddical missionary activìties like Livingstone’s. Just as Gladstone went into bat for Bulgarian Christians, so an upper class Rothschild would naturally want to help poor Eastern European Jews – and, very likely, as was analogously true of assimilating German Jews, discoueage them from coming to England.

    Were any of the Rothschilds seriously religious? I guess they were a little bit tribal but maybe even less than the atheist Einstein who called Jews his tribe.

    No doubt there are lots of interesting letters and diaries. (I have just Googled “Were the Rothschilds Zionists” and been discouraged by the same sort of ranting anti-Semitic sludge one has to wade through in UR threads although the first page does refer to some Rothschilds being for and some against a Zionist project – how very Jewish of them :-) ….).

  377. @iffen

    Now you two are getting quite ridiculous shedding all plausibility from my plot. Anyone would think you were insultingly purporting to “add verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative” but really queering my pitch to Disney. Now where was I? DNA tests have indicated that some of Werner Heisenberg’s semen must have been stolen by a Jewish nurse in a WW1 military hospital (or was it when he was having his appendix out in a civilian hospital? We must get the details right in these fact-checking days).

  378. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    I’ll issue a pass on the definition of capitalism since semantics are less important than the meaning of the doctrine. Free-market Capitalism refutes “from each according to his ability to each according to his need, etc” malarky. I was clearly writing about the central principle around which American markets are organised, one of voluntary transactions as opposed to involuntary ones.

    When you introduce concepts derived from narrow mathematical models, it is incumbent upon you to be complete in the mathematical/model sense. Thus one can have a competitive equilibrium, but not necessarily efficiency in the Pareto sense, unless all agents’ utilities are mutually orthogonal.

    That is not “dissembling”, nor any other term approved by the central language committee of the professional complaining class. Notice how I didn’t call them antisemitic, although they frequently insert Jew-hatred in every discussion. I’ll wait for the predictable and reflexive reply.

    • Replies: @iffen
  379. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Notice how I didn’t call them antisemitic, although they frequently insert Jew-hatred in every discussion

    I think that if they exhibit Jew hatred in every discussion we should go ahead and call it a duck.

  380. geokat62 says:

    I was clearly writing about the central principle around which American markets are organised, one of voluntary transactions as opposed to involuntary ones.

    Yes, I understood that. But you carelessly inserted the word “capitalism” where it didn’t belong. And I simply pointed that out.

    unless all agents’ utilities are mutually orthogonal.

    In that case, permit me to rephrase my initial query: Does a Walrasian competitive equilibrium lead to a Pareto efficient allocation of resources. subject to a few conditions being met? T or F?

    … although they frequently insert Jew-hatred in every discussion.

    I see you are the kind of person who is fond of trying to push people’s buttons. A very revealing (and pitiful) character trait.

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  381. Rurik says:
    @Carroll Price

    that being clearly the case, I will proudly accept the title and wear it with pride.

    you’ve got a point Carroll

    they’re going to call us all that anyways, so maybe we should just co-opt it. Wear it as a badge of honor.

    I remember reading how the zio-government of Germany was sending an elegant 90 year old grandmother to prison for having opinions that are verboten vis-a-vis the Holocaust.

    I said at the time that if that lady deserved prison for ‘Holocaust denial’, then I am a Holocaust denier too.

    Sam Shama didn’t approve of me saying that, and it seemed that he wished some harm might come to me for it, but that only bolstered my fortitude as being morally on target.

    it’s like being on the Southern Poverty Law Center’s list. It’s a sign of integrity.

  382. Sam Shama says:

    [Sam Shama didn’t approve of me saying that, and it seemed that he wished some harm might come to me for it, but that only bolstered my fortitude as being morally on target]

    LOL. Quite right Don Quixote. Your “fortitude” shines through as does your anonymous courage, especially when you ducked out of sight when Revusky threatened to doxx you and I defended you! HAHAHAHAH

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  383. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    [Yes, I understood that. But you carelessly inserted the word “capitalism” where it didn’t belong. And I simply pointed that out.]

    If you ‘understood’ that, what was the purpose of ‘pointing that out simply’? Besides, free-markets and capitalism are practically interchangeable for all intents and purposes. Are you trying to establish yourself the frivolous-point-outer in chief?

    [In that case, permit me to rephrase my initial query: Does a Walrasian competitive equilibrium lead to a Pareto efficient allocation of resources. subject to a few conditions being met? T or F?]

    I permit you but reserve the right to ask you to list these ‘few conditions’ and their precise forms. Second, I shall permit myself to observe that little toy models can always be constructed to have precise answers. Not the domain of economics clearly meant in the context of my comment. Most of Economics does not have unequivocal answers. When I made that statement, you feverishly searched for a trivial mathematical model, and even when presenting it forgot it was a simple mathematical construct, which therefore requires strict formulation. Not the thrust of my original argument. If and when I present a mathematical argument, you won’t mistake it for anything else, I assure you.

    [ see you are the kind of person who is fond of trying to push people’s buttons. A very revealing (and pitiful) character trait.]

    I see. Sure I’ll push your buttons to ferret out your true feeling and intentions. No more pitiful than the hatred for Jews you very obviously have. You are a disciple Of McDonald, a well-known anti-Semite.

    John Tooby, the founder of MacDonald’s field of evolutionary psychology, criticized MacDonald in an article for Salon in 2000. He wrote, “MacDonald’s ideas—not just on Jews—violate fundamental principles of the field.” Tooby posits that MacDonald is not an evolutionary psychologist, and advocates models incorporating group-selection theory, a view of natural selection whose importance is disputed.

    Steven Pinker, while acknowledging that he had “not plowed through MacDonald’s trilogy and therefore run the complementary risks of being unfair to his arguments, and of not refuting them resoundingly enough to distance them from my own views on evolutionary psychology”, states that MacDonald’s theses are unable to pass the threshold of attention-worthiness or peer-approval, and contain a “consistently invidious portrayal of Jews, couched in value-laden, disparaging language”.

    The One People’s Project claims that MacDonald has promoted anti-Semitic propaganda under the guise of what he says is a legitimate and academic search for truth.

    Lieberman accused MacDonald of dishonestly made up lines from the work of Holocaust denier David Irving. Citing Irving’s Uprising, which was published in 1981 for the twenty-fifth anniversary of Hungary’s failed anti-Communist revolution in 1956, MacDonald asserted in the Culture of Critique:

    The domination of the Hungarian communist Jewish bureaucracy thus appears to have had overtones of sexual and reproductive domination of gentiles in which Jewish males were able to have disproportionate sexual access to gentile females.

    [Wiki]

    Noting the above is not pushing anyone’s buttons. It is merely observing the company they keep and therefore what their obvious beliefs are, protestations to the contrary being worth exactly nothing.

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  384. Sam Shama says:
    @Sam Shama

    I am hereafter discontinuing my laissez faire approach of responding to you unlinked replies. If you continue with it, I shall not follow my previous convention…….

  385. geokat62 says:

    If you ‘understood’ that, what was the purpose of ‘pointing that out simply’?

    Simply, to point out that you had misspoken. Nothing more, nothing less.

    No more pitiful than the hatred for Jews you very obviously have. You are a disciple Of McDonald, a well-known anti-Semite.

    Care to present the best available evidence you have to support these charges against me and Prof. MacDonald?

    John Tooby, the founder of MacDonald’s field of evolutionary psychology, criticized MacDonald in an article for Salon in 2000.

    Thanks for the wiki excerpt. Especially the reference to the Salon article. It was an interesting read. It prompted me to do a little more digging and I came across this gem. It appears that Judith Shulevitz, a contributor at Slate, had implored John Tooby to publish a refutation of MacDonald’s arguments. While Tooby assured Shulevitz that he would soon do so, he never did. I wonder why?

    Here’s an excerpt of an exchange between John Derbyshire and Joey Kurtzman (contributor at Jewcy) discussing the question “Is Kevin MacDonald right about the Jews?”:

    [MORE]

    [Joey Kurtzman] True story: a Jewess of my acquaintance, who happens to be a veteran of several mainstream Jewish organizations, tells of stumbling upon MacDonald’s essay “Understanding Jewish Influence.” As she read about the gobsmacking ability of Jews to obtain power and influence in Western societies, about our eminence in academia and law, about how our high intelligence and organizational skill are key to our ability to achieve such prominence, my friend’s chest swelled with ethno-religious pride and she forwarded the essay on to a former colleague of hers, also a functionary in a Jewish organization. The friend replied: “The article was written by a non-Jew! And an antisemite no less! Don’t forward it to anyone else!”

    It’s a tiresome old story. Self-celebratory, triumphalist Jewish historiography looks a heck of a lot like much of the stuff we dismiss as “antisemitism.” Had Kevin MacDonald proposed the same thesis about a Jewish “group evolutionary strategy” but been careful to pleasure us Jews with the sort of masturbatory interpretation we like—you know how it goes, something along the lines of “look at everything those Jews have given us with this strategy of theirs, all the wonderful scholarship and Nobel Prizes and scientific advances and cutting-edge social science!”—you can be sure his work would have met a rather different reaction. A reaction more like that received by the recent University of Utah study that argued that the Ashkenazi Jewish population has acquired genetic traits that confer high intelligence.

    Sure, some of us were made a bit nervous to hear “Jewish genetics” discussed, but we were titillated and flattered by the study’s argument, too. When the New York Times wrote about the study we forwarded it around, helping make it the Times’ “most e-mailed story,” and instead of denouncing it as horrendous and antisemitic, I’d say most of us look forward to learning whether its thesis stands up to future study.

    Which, really, is the only reasonable reaction to MacDonald’s work. In his preface to Culture of Critique, MacDonald says, “For me the only issue is whether I have been honest in my treatment of sources and whether my conclusions meet the usual standards of scholarly research in the social sciences.”

    I don’t think it would be a courtesy too far if we were to evaluate MacDonald’s work based on those very criteria. Jewish academics have advanced their fair share of controversial theories and were within their rights to ask that those theories be evaluated based on their scholarly (rather than aesthetic) merit.

    Whether we dislike MacDonald’s arguments or not, whether we find them gratifying or insulting, all that matters is whether his premises and models are valid, and whether the insights they produce stand up to further research. If a critic wants to wade into the debate over whether “group selection theory” is a useful scientific model, fair enough. If someone wants to argue that the Ashkenazi experience in Europe did not last long enough for selective evolutionary pressures to work their genetic magic, go to it. But accusations of antisemitism are irrelevant to all of these issues, and they serve only to prevent a rigorous examination of MacDonald’s work.

    In Slate, Judith Shulevitz pleaded with John Tooby—the director of UC Santa Barbara’s Center for Evolutionary Psychology, and at that time the president of the Human Behavior and Evolution Society—to produce an academic rebuttal of MacDonald’s arguments. He assured her that he would soon do so. He never did.

    So is Kevin MacDonald right about the Jews? I don’t know. For now, that seems to me the only answer.

    http://jewcy.com/post/kevin_macdonald_right

    So John Tooby didn’t pull through for Judith Shulevitz and prove Prof. MacDonald’s work is a manifestation of antisemitism. But if you decide to stand in for him, make sure you invalidate his premises and models, and demonstate the insights emanating from these are flawed.

    Noting the above is not pushing anyone’s buttons. It is merely observing the company they keep and therefore what their obvious beliefs are, protestations to the contrary being worth exactly nothing.

    Couldn’t agree more about the importance of the company one keeps. I, for one, would rather keep company with the likes of Dorothy Thompson, Helen Thomas, Charles Lindbergh, and Prof. MacDonald than, say, any of the people currently occupying the seats in the US Congress who have no qualms about selling their souls for 30 shekels… or the xian Zionists who are eager to subsidize this despicable endeavor.

  386. Sam Shama says:

    As I said, and I’ll leave it with my original thought, that asking for knowledge on free market capitalism from a sociologist turned “Austrian school economist” is akin to hoping for tips on elocution from Trappist monks.

    You keep MacDonald’s company, a man who counts neo-Nazis, David Duke, Jamie Kelso and the late lamented site Stormfront as his chief protagonists. What else is needed to call a duck a duck?

    Disassociation by his colleagues

    The psychology department of CSULB, as well as the CSULB academic senate, voted to formally dissociate themselves from his work in 2008.

    The academic senate issued the following statement:

    While the academic senate defends Dr. Kevin MacDonald’s academic freedom and freedom of speech, as it does for all faculty, it firmly and unequivocally disassociates itself from the anti-Semitic and white ethnocentric views he has expressed.

    Two words – “condemns and” (which had originally appeared between “unequivocally” and “disassociates”) – were removed before the public issuance of the statement.

    CSULB dissociates from MacDonald’s views
    In late 2007 California State University–Long Beach’s Psychology Department began the process of formally dissociating itself from MacDonald’s views on Judaism, which in some cases are “used by publications considered to publicize neo-Nazi and white supremacist ideology.” The department’s move to dissociate followed a discussion of MacDonald’s December forum presentation at meeting of the department’s advisory committee that concerned his ethics and methodologies

    When your own colleagues feel the great shame of association, is there anything worth redeeming left?

    MacDonald testified for Irving the Holocaust denier in court and lost:

    MacDonald testified in defense of convicted Holocaust denier David Irving, where he alleged that the suppression of Irving’s work was “an example of Jewish tactics for combating anti-Semitism.” MacDonald stated “I also felt that Lipstadt exaggerated the extent to which Irving denied the Holocaust, since there are many places in his writings where Irving describes Nazis engaged in organized killing of Jews. MacDonald was quoted as saying he was an “agnostic” in regards to the Holocaust, though he denied the accuracy of the quote. MacDonald’s testimony caused a backlash among his colleagues. Deborah Lipstadt’s lawyer Richard Rampton thought MacDonald’s testimony on behalf of Irving was so ridiculous that he did not bother to cross examine him. Indeed, Mr Justice Gray said in his judgment that the testimony provided by MacDonald was insufficient to establish that he was the victim of a conspiracy from the “traditional enemies of free speech” (i.e. Jews) to discredit Irving.

    Staunchly anti-Zionist journalist Max Blumenthal (the son of Sidney Blumenthal, a high-ranking Democratic Party operative), has written that MacDonald has an extensive following among white nationalists and neo-Nazis, which Blumenthal claims is inherently linked with MacDonald’s political leanings (i.e. “Republicanizing the Race Card”). Former Ku Klux Klan leader and former U.S. Representative David Duke praised MacDonald’s work on his website.

    Sure, now I see your reasons for the great pride of association with Macdonald. Carry on then and I’ll watch your progress with great interest.

  387. geokat62 says:

    So, this is the best available evidence you could muster to demonstrate that Prof, MacDonald is a virulent anti-Semite?:

    MacDonald was quoted as saying he was an “agnostic” in regards to the Holocaust, though he denied the accuracy of the quote.

    All you have is innuendo. Not one solid fact to support your claim.

    And you try to throw me under the bus on the basis of this flimsy “evidence”? Why am I not surprised?

    btw – I noticed you, just like John Tooby, didn’t bother challenging any of Prof. MacDonald’s premises and models or any of his insights that were based on them. No surprise there, either.

    • Replies: @iffen
  388. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    I defended you!

    You have said conciliatory things Sam. And at one time when you used to speak of the Palestinians as humans with rights, I held great promise in your evolution as an empathetic soul.

    It is simply empathy that mostly sets us apart from the sub-humans and reptiles (on two legs) of the planet.

    So lately as your rhetoric vis-a-vis the Palestinians seems to have hardened, I’ve become worried about your trajectory.

    You’re an intelligent fellow and have contributed to this forum in many ways, not least of which is a glimpse into the modern, secular, liberal Jewish id. We may not always agree on everything, but I still feel we learn things here at the inimitable Unz Review.

    But when it comes to putting little old grandmothers in prison for expressing ideas you want suppressed, for your own racial and tribal agendas, I feel you go beyond the Pale. That’s all.

    Just as your attempted ‘justifications’ for radical Zionism (continued oppression and theft) are really quite beneath such an urbane and cosmopolitan fellow. How well, I wonder do such views resonate with the London cocktail party circuit these days?

    Is that perchance, why our Sam has found a more amenable milieu in NYC for his rather out of fashion- genocidal views?

    Not trying to be harsh, just wondering..

    • Replies: @iffen
  389. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    MacDonald is a virulent anti-Semite?

    I’ve got to take geo’s side here. From what I have read of MacDonald’s work, it seems to me that he is much more in the lackadaisical anti-Semite camp rather than the virulent one.

  390. iffen says:
    @Rurik

    id

    You do know that there is no such thing, right?

    It was just one fantastic phantasm spun out of one Jewish brain.

    Not trying to be harsh, but this is rurik, so you actually wouldn’t know that.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  391. geokat62 says:

    From what I have read of MacDonald’s work, it seems to me that he is much more in the lackadaisical anti-Semite camp rather than the virulent one.

    Care to provide a few snippets of what you’ve read that supports your claim?

    • Replies: @iffen
  392. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Care to provide a few snippets of what you’ve read that supports your claim?

    I don’t care to take the time to do that. I am satisfied with my opinion and no matter what I provided it would not alter yours. I read enough to know that he is not a rubber boots type. He might even have trouble dropping in the pellets.

  393. Rurik says: • Website
    @iffen

    but this is rurik, so you actually wouldn’t know that.

    are you trying to be insulting?

    the id is not something you can dissect a brain and point to, no

    rather it’s what might be considered a manifestation of the deep sub-conscious

    like the ‘mind’, it can’t be put under a microscope and studied, but we can use the concept for conceptualizing a phenomena; that which drives a person’s instinctive value systems and motivations.

    When I was reading Freud (and Jung of course), I found much that was too speculative. But also a lot that resonated. His opinions about religions and Gods and such for instance, I considered provocative. But, at the end of the day, in the Freud vs. Jung debate, I defer to Jung.

    but it doesn’t matter if there is an actual id or not, you see. Because all it’s referring to is a neurologically ingrained set of values and motivations (ultimately a process of organic functions) and how those functions ultimately effect our behavior.

    your id iffen, is also on display here, did you know?

    when someone posts enough of their thoughts and opinions, what the rest of us are able to do is get a glimmer of that person’s id, you see?

    it’s actually fun in a way. And then you speculate on how that hardwiring (dendrites, synapsis, molecular soups in the basal ganglia, etc..) came to get that way. Freud and Jung and (from the organic perspective) Pierre Broca and others have given us lots of tools for understanding the brain and the mind and the different motivating principles that are really what’s impelling you as you set about to type some words into the Internet, and express your id for all to contemplate and muse over. Sometimes with wonder, and sometimes with morbid curiosity, and even at times with gracious indulgence. ;)

    • Replies: @iffen
  394. geokat62 says:

    I am satisfied with my opinion and no matter what I provided it would not alter yours.

    Don’t be so sure. If you’re able to furnish irrefutable proof that MacDonald’s writings clearly demonstrate he’s a Jew hater, I’d gladly denounce him as such, even while wearing my rubber boots.

    So put up, or shut up.

    • Replies: @iffen
  395. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    If you’re able to furnish irrefutable proof that MacDonald’s writings clearly demonstrate he’s a Jew hater

    Impossible task with regards to you. You don’t even accept that about yourself.

    even while wearing my rubber boots

    I already told you; you are not a rubber boots Nazi. You are the pellet dropping type.

  396. iffen says:
    @Rurik

    are you trying to be insulting?

    Yes, but I’m trying to stop being insulting, if that counts for anything.

  397. geokat62 says:

    Impossible task with regards to you.

    I thought as much… you’ve got absolutely nothing. As such, I’ll keep on quoting him, unless or until someone else can produce irrefutable evidence he’s a “Jew hater.”

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @iffen
    , @iffen
  398. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    the extent of genetic influence on behavioral differences between Jews and non-Jews is not an important issue apart from scholarly interest

    Going dumpster diving just because of the challenge you presented to me.

  399. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    group evolutionary strategy

    Academic sounding mumbo jumbo term for Protocols.

  400. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Indeed, one might note that it has often been critically important for Jews to be able to present a divided front to the gentile society

    Are we able to present any evidence that Jewish opinion was not, in fact, divided like all groups?

    Didn’t think so.

  401. geokat62 says:

    the extent of genetic influence on behavioral differences between Jews and non-Jews is not an important issue apart from scholarly interest<

    group evolutionary strategy

    Devastating stuff. Are you sure you didn’t pull these quotes from Mein Kampf? LOL

    You must have overlooked the minimum bar I set:

    As such, I’ll keep on quoting him, unless or until someone else can produce irrefutable evidence he’s a “Jew hater.”

    Far from hating Jews, the quotes you furnished might, and I emphasize “might,” establish, at worst, he is intrigued by them.

    Lest I discourage you, please keep digging.

    • Replies: @iffen
  402. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Indeed, one might note that it has often been critically important for Jews to be able to present a divided front to the gentile society

    I see that you skipped #413 where he (without presenting any evidence) pulls from the ether the idea that (all) Jews conspire to present a false appearance of differing opinion.

    This disregards the obvious fact that, without exception, groups are composed of factions that display differing degrees of unity of purpose, tactics and strategy which can sometimes include feigning disarray in order to create over-confidence in an adversary.

    Yet, of all groups, only the Jews, are never really divided, but merely fake it.

    Smart fuckers aren’t they?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  403. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    display differing degrees of unity of purpose, tactics and strategy which can sometimes include feigning disarray in order to create over-confidence in an adversary.

    Yet, of all groups, only the Jews, are never really divided, but merely fake it.

    Smart fuckers aren’t they?

    Are you a Sci-fi fan at all? There is this show from the mid 90′s [I think] called ‘Stargate’. Ran for many years and it features a group of humanoids called the Go’auld, whose every member is endowed with the genetic historical memory of the entire species from the time of their creation. Deviously smart fuckers.

    • Replies: @iffen
  404. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    When I was younger I read some fiction including Sci-fi, but was never hooked. Today, when one can read the headlines and related stories, I don’t really see the point in reading fiction.

    I assume that the Jews have one of the best collective memories of what has happened to them over the centuries and that is a very powerful component in their identity. There is more to being smart than just having a good memory. I think that differences among Jews are real. The Jewish Bolsheviks really did want to cripple and overturn the Jewish capitalists. As best as I can tell you aren’t faking your differences with the right wing types in Israel. So I stand by my opinion that all groups have differences and factions and Jews are not an exception.

    But if you are offering up the opinion that at the end of the day identity is the last word, I can’t argue with it.

  405. geokat62 says:

    I see that you skipped #413

    I don’t think so. I saw comments # 411 and #412 and responded to them before #413 was even posted.

    Had I waited a little longer before responding, I would’ve included that one, as well, in my response.

    Speaking of skipping things, I noticed you didn’t bother including the paragraph the immediately follows the sentence you quoted, namely:

    Indeed, one might note that it has often been critically important for Jews to be able to present a divided front to the gentile society.

    Rather odd, as it actually cites Jewish sources that support his assertion. Take a gander:

    This has happened repeatedly in the modern world. A particularly common pattern during the period from 1880 to 1940 was for Jewish organizations representing older, more established communities in Western Europe and the United States to oppose the activities and attitudes of more recent immigrants from Eastern Europe (see note 20). The Eastern Euro- pean immigrants tended to be religiously orthodox, politically radical, and sympathetic to Zionism, and they tended to conceptualize themselves in racial and national terms—all qualities that provoked anti-Semitism. In the United States and England, Jewish organizations (such as the American Jewish Com- mittee [AJCommittee]) attempted to minimize Jewish radicalism and gentile perceptions of the radicalism and Zionism of these immigrants (e.g., Cohen 1972; Alderman 1992, 237ff). Highly publicized opposition to these activities dilutes gentile perceptions of Jewish behavior, even in situations where, as occurred in both England and America, the recent immigrants far outnumbered the established Jewish community.

    See the names he references? Hard to mistake them for goyim surnames, no?

    And when we take a closer look at note 20, we see ever more references to Jewish sources:

    20. Concerns about the potential for anti-Semitism resulting from perceptions of foreignness were also behind the attempts by the more established German-American Jews to decrease immigration of their Eastern European coreligionists. Thus in the 1880s a Jewish spokesman tried to prevent European Jewish philanthropies from sending Eastern European Jews to America, by noting that “the Jewish position in America was not yet secure. . . . American Jews could not ‘afford to incur the ill will of their compatriots’ ” (Sachar 1992, 124; see also Neuringer 1971, 15ff). A Jewish publication warned about the “uncouth Asiatics” from Russia, and there were concerns that the new immigrants would ultimately lower the social class of the established Jewish community. These concerns regarding the outlandish behavior of new immigrants continue regarding recent Jewish immigrants into America. Sachar (1992) describes the extreme separatism of the Hasidic Jews who immigrated to the United States after World War II. The Hasidic Jews are so separatist that they are given to viewing rabbis of other sects as “heterodox,” a trend Sachar perceives as ominous: “Even in tolerant America, hairshirt tribalism was a provocative stance for a community ranked among the smallest, and still among the most suspect and vulnerable, of the nation’s ethno-religious minorities” (p. 700).

    I must say, this exchange is very reminiscent of a previous one I had with Cornivus in which he alleged Prof. Tony Martin was a liar for publicly stating that twice as many Jews owned slaves in 1830 America as compared to whites. When I pointed out that Prof. Martin was exclusively referencing Jewish sources to make that claim, he/she wasn’t willing to retract the initial accusation that Prof. Martin was a liar.

    Something tells me we probably won’t see a retraction from you, either.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Brendan Tnais
  406. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    … twice as many Jews owned slaves in 1830 America as compared to whites.

    Relative to their respective population sizes, that is.

  407. @Sam Shama

    A few quick notes as one or another pony is revealed from the above pile –

    I’ve applied a colander recovered from a heap in the garage to sift this initial collection —

    Permit me to summon as protagonists, Thomas Babington Macaulay and G.K. Chesterton, great writers of the Victorian and the Georgian-Edwardian eras respectively; not merely to aid my meagre pen, but more as observers of a pattern of behaviour [of a virus?] so ably described in their essays. And of course, Shirer of whom and his book Hugh Trevor-Roper wrote ‘ The standard, indeed the classic, history of Nazism. We should be thankful to the historian whose solid work will permanently preserve the truth.’

    to

    And of course, Shirer of whom and his book Hugh Trevor-Roper wrote ‘ The standard, indeed the classic, history of Nazism. We should be thankful to the historian whose solid work will permanently preserve the truth.’

    and after a second pass, to

    Hugh Trevor-Roper wrote ‘ The standard, indeed the classic, history of Nazism. We should be thankful to the historian whose solid work will permanently preserve the truth.’

    and thence to Lord Dacre himself, Hugh Trevor-Roper.

    In 1982 Lord Dacre was called upon to travel to the Swiss bank where Stern magazine had secured 60 volumes of Hitler Diaries for which Stern had paid over $9 million. In spire of the fact that all of the diary books, written over a period of a decade or more, were identical, and that all of them were marked with “FH,” the Gothic “F” mistaken for “A”,

    Hugh Trevor-Roper. . . declared the books authentic. http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/diary-of-the-hitler-diary-hoax

    The German magazine hosted the requisite press conference to announce publication of Hitler Diaries on April 25, 1983, but within two weeks the obvious inauthenticity of the publishing coup became general knowledge. Handwringing ensued, people were fired, questions were asked, “How could this happen?”
    As the editor-in-chief for Die Zeit explained,

    “Many people believe that there was simply too much money at stake for anyone to come to their senses.”

    So much for Hugh Trevor-$-Roper.

    later

  408. @Mark Green

    Thank you Mark Green for including the petition and for your comment.I just read a Congressional Resolution generated from the Senate which required the President’s signature though it was not clear to me what that bound the President to do if anything. The Resolution “rejects white nationalism, white supremacy and neo-Nazism as hateful expressions of intolerance that are contradictory to the values that define the people of the United States.”
    And: “The resolution assiduously avoids blaming any other parties for the deadly violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, last month, when white supremacists sought to protect Confederate monuments. An alleged white supremacist rammed his car into a group of counter-protestors, killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer, who is named and honored in the resolution”. [note: the preceding quotes are from a JTA article of Sept. 7, 2017. I just learned yesterday that Heather Heyer was not struck aby any vehicle but was present at the sight and collapsed with a heart attack and when EMT people were resuscitating her on the ground at the site she had a second cardiac arrest and died. She was obese and I saw no info about her medical history. However, it is unreasonable to blame the driver for her death. There is no mention of the city police stand down.
    One interview I saw on youtube was with a young man who was involved in organizing the' unite the right' march and said he that he had worked with the city police for two months planning a march route and police placements that were designed to minimize the likelihood of violent confrontations between the marchers who had obtained a city permit to march and the presumed hostile armed and dangerous ANTIFA/BLM type violent memed anti-White people organizations presumed to be funded by a famed mischievous Billionaire psychopath. But, on the day of the march the city police never showed up and instead surrounding the park were state police who were not interested in the plans made by the city police and forced the marches into a veritable Gauntlet situation where the had to go down s street with crowds of hostile adversaries positioned to left and right and who commenced to physically assault the marchers and throw bags or balloons of feces and urine onto them! It was a set up asserted the young organizer.

    [MORE]

    JTA also notes that President Trump was essentially finessed into signing the Resolution which blames White people alone for the Charlottesville VA Psy-op event's violence: "The Senate has advanced a bipartisan resolution post-Charlottesville calling on President Donald Trump to reject white supremacists and, in a rare move, requiring his signature." What appears to have occurred with the Resolution was a Congress taking aides with ANTIFA, the nature of which cannot be reasonably misunderstood as other than a group that exists to violently suppress White people engaging in Public Expression of Political Free Speech regarding their perceived self interest.
    ANTIFA was designed to be a psychopath magnet and attracts only people wanting to violently and viciously attack other people under cover of their political utopian theories while enjoying a remarkable protection from the police and mass media, and perhaps hidden hands and now apparently from the US Congress explicitly! What young psychopath would be without.
    Essentially Congress and ANTIFA are as one in this matter and Congress actively protected that violent [Jewish?] agenda agency of free speech suppression. It is appalling and darkly significant.
    There is no one except President Trumping trumping the need to be fair and reasonable and he was apparently finessed and signed the Resolution although he could have braved the media echochamber of hysterical accusations and defamations of him an his family and sent the Resolution back to Congress with conditions for his signature that included a change of terms condemningAny racial/ethnic supremacism not the imaginary White Supremacism alone. After all, in reality Jewish Supremacism is the only racial supremacist entity in America today; not withstanding bused-in loads of red neck looking-whitemen with white t-shirts with 18 inch KKK letters written with magic markers on front and back. And ANTIFA should have been specifically mentioned as the evidence is remarkably complete that they exist as a violent suppression tactic group comprised of ardent supporters of jewish-political-communism and it’s sister entity anarchism whose target has been so clearly, and repeatedly articulated by Berkeley CA area ANTIFA organizer Yvette Felarca in interviews viewable on youtube and one with Tucker Carlson on Fox news; which is also viewable on youtube. Felarca is a self described 47 y.o immigrant filipena who
    clearly states her position as ANTIFA organizer that White supremacists do not have any right to free speech; and their political public speech represents neo-nazi recruitment and must be stopped BAMN by any means necessary. In essence this is the game: ANTI-First Amendment-by Any Means necessary. The resolution passed by Congress is a very bad sign that leaves no doubt as to their hostile view of and intentions toward White Americans. All the more so as the Charlottesville VA
    seems highly likely to be a set-up from the beginning though it is possible that the alt-right Spencer
    was not intentionally knowledgeable about that. The actual organizers, about whom I know nothing,
    may well have been part; the mass media was totally on board with persistent false and inaccurate
    coverage, which was consistent with the previous year of ANTIFA attack events which also involved police stand downs which is surely a novel element that favors only ANTIFA which is an attack force
    that appears to outnumber their targets in the events i looked into via the youtube videos which are plentiful regarding UCB Berkeley on the Milo talk cancellation date -where both university and city police were on stand down and nowhere to be seen for the hours of the melee where a large cadre of all in black ISIS-like coutured people with faces covered by black scarves and armed with at least pepper spray and clubs or poles or metal pipes set about assaulting targeted people whom they determined were white supremacists or neonazis etc. in some inexplicable way-but really they just targeted White people who looked isolated. In Sacramento the police were present but did not interfere with ANTIFA attacks unless in the third stage [my terminology] the kicking was sufficiently vicious and persisted for an extended period with no sign of abatement and was nearby a policeman or two they would intervene in the penultimate moment before murder occurred. That is how it looks repeatedly in the videos of last year’s Sacramento CA ANTIFA attack on a group of White men who had obtained a permit to protest [immigration policy I think] at the Capitol. The attack was visibly vicious and afterward the triumphant Yvette Felarca gave an interview which is also on youtube where she scorned the cowardice of ANTIFA’s targeted white supremacists who wisely ran away when possible but it was not always possible to escape the numerous black clad faces covered attackers. The three stages I have seen in the videos are first an antifa assassin pepper sprays the target’s eyes suddenly from in front with no warning and as the target instinctively reacts to cover his eyes [or hers, there was an important female attack in Berkeley to which Felarca admitted to once she was identified as the front attacker] and almost concurrently an antifa agent from the rear starts pounding the target’s skull from behind in what appears to be an intention to crack thhe skulls of the targets. In some cases the target starts running away soon enough as to have a chance of escape but quiteoften in the videos the target ends up falling or being tripped to fall on the ground. It must be in their training to do this as once a target is on the ground all available antifa gang members in the immediate vicinity rush over and start kicking the target viciously all over the body; sometimes there are too many antifans and their kicks interrupt each others. It was in the Sacramento videos which were all in daylight that the police though not interfering with the ANTIFA attackers generally did on rare occasions intervene when they saw the kicking stage being prolonged and posing the prospect of likely lethal outcomes. Were the police ordered to intervene only if an attack looked likely to be fatal? Or was that a breach of their stand down orders due to human compassion and a sense of responsibility endowed by the possession of a badge [shield] that protects them to an extraordinary degree from legal ramifications of their acts which occur during their functioning as guardians of public safety? I do not know the answer but there is no question that the Sacramento police stood by and allowed a vicious ANTIFA assault with clubs etc. on an otheriwse peaceful political demonstration about a national and state issue of massive numbers of immigrants, 60 million combined legal and illegal in the last 30 years alone. One last thing, the 1965 immigration law was a reverse of the law it replaced and allowd for only a possible 10 % of annual immigrants to be from White European peopled countries; it was and is an anti-White immigration law. Perhaps thre should be a Change.org petition to change that law and reverse it to be what it had been before the 1965 law but preferably to have a 10 year moratorium on any immigration at all.
    their have likely been well over 80 million immigrants, mostly non-White since 1965. Yet in the past 30-40 years most of the US manufacturing capacity, machinery from factories, has been removed to off shore locations, primarily Communist China in a process call de-industrialization facilitated by Wall St. in cooperation with Congress which also removed the protective tariffs under which US manufacturing was nurtured and grew to be an enormously powerful WealthGenerating apparatus.
    The Goose that laid Golden eggs for America removed to Communist China. So huge immigration for numerous years was certainly not a logical modality. the purpose of the massive specifically non-White immigration is to make White Americans a Minority in America. And its had been going on
    and escalating for two generations without the mass media nor Congress alerting the American people who were 90% of the 1965 population and now may scarcely be 66%. You should try to get the information from the CENSUS BUREAU which is tracking the date by which Whites will be irrevocably a minority in this country. I will end this comment with a link to a free article PDf download from the author’s website which documents in detail the struggle from 1881 to 1965 for the control of the US Immigration Law & Policy. And anyone who knows how to write a petition might consider one to put a complete moratorium cessation on immigration for 10 or 15 years.
    www. kevinmacdonald .net/immigration .pdf White Americans [ and in much or all of Europe] should be afraid and channel their logical reality based fear into at least learning as much as possible about the reality of America and the supremacist Jewish power elite which rules here [and over the West as a whole]. And figure out how to unite to protect White people before it is too late, assuming it is not already. Turning off the mind control mass-media apparatus is probably necessary
    to break the spell we are all under; mesmerized by endless entertainments featuring walking dead , whether zombies, vampires or the number of new modalities of walking dead created for our entertainment.[?] And perhaps change.org can play a part in warding off the genocide of White Americans which is as real today as it was for the Russian people circa 1910.

  409. @geokat62

    If I may weigh-inn on the final aspect of the above comment regarding what Professor Tony m
    Martin, long time full professor of Black History at Wellesley College in MA , a prestigious women’s college at the time, and which had notable graduates including Hilary Clinton and Madeline Albright. I am familiar with the most excellent lecture by Dr. Tony Martin where he mentions the issue referred to in the above comment. What I would add to that comment is that Dr. Martin did articulate the source of his information which was the 1830 US Census . And the figures were that 75% of Jewish households owned at least one slave and 25 percent of Americans owned at least one slave. In retrospect I do not know if the 25% specifically consisted of all non-Jews which is what I assumed until this moment. The only reason someone might express grave doubt about the matter of Jews having a high percent of slave ownership is a general ignorance on this matter. Even Dr. martin, in that same lecture, admits that he was generally unaware of the enormous role of Jews in the trans-Atlantic Black African Slave Trade until he encountered the then relatively recent [in early 1990's] Nation of Islam research Dept. produced book called “The Secret Relationship Between Blacks And Jews”. Dr. Martin observed that most often Jews were referred to as Portuguese, Spaniards or Dutch in the accounts, and annals, of the slave trade. That is different than households
    owning slaves but it accords with the Jewish attitude toward slavery whose Talmud religion based
    rationale for enslaving Blacks was also touched upon in that lecture in which Dr. Martin is wearing a Brown suit which is how I differentiate it from the several others available online. Jews as Marranos, new Christians and as Jews dominated the trans Atlantic Black African slave trade for South & Central America and the Caribbean as a cartel monopoly and it was only natural to include the North American colonies as well. The major departure point, to my surprise when I learned of it,
    in the so-called triangle trade , was Newport RI which housed a vibrant jewish community and the one who owned the most slave ships was one Aaron Lopes. Newport has probably the oldest Synagogue, which was built in the 18th century by Black slaves. Lopes OR Lopez, originally from Portugal, was not the only slaver from Newport but he was the richest. Jews there owned 22 Distilleries for making RUM which was a major item used to purchase the Blacks putative slaves . The y traveled to a place on the west coast of Africa which had a permanent facility on an island close to shore for the acquisition and holding of Black people captured by usually other Black people’s chiefs or by Arab traders and brought to the island. After picking up a boatload of Black people the slave ship then went to a Southern port like Charleston and sold the slaves in auction houses usually owned by Jews and usually closed on Jewish holidays. Then either bought Sugar or other commodity or just returned with the cash to Newport along with Black slaves who did not sell due to being sick or in poor shape but once in Newport they were medically cared for and retained there and there is now still an extant Black community in the Newport area whose roots go directly back to those slaves who also built the Synagogue which can be viewed on google images. Also, it is true that Dr. martin as well as the book mentioned by the Nation of Islam acknowledges that most of the sources for research information on the slave trade and slavery are from Jewish sources.
    Also, Jews also dominated the supply of the accoutrements of slavery, the many varied shackles and chains used in the slave ships and also on land for transport and other specific purposes plus were the provides of a particular unbleached rough cotton cloth that was commonly used for the slaves clothing in the American colonies. Dr. Tony Martin, originally from Trinidad/Tobago also had received a barrister law degree in the UK. His academic specialty was Marcus Garvey, who also originated from the Caribbean and was a bit of a competitor to he Jewish created NAACP which had only a Black mascot man who obtained a PhD from Harvard but other wise was totally run by Jews for some years until perhaps the early 1920s when it started including Black people in running the organization. But they did not allow a Black [man] to fill the top administrative position until the early mid-1970′s. The famous witty poet and New Yorker author Dorothy Parkers [nee Rothschild]
    was left to the NAACP.[ just a curious fact]. “Men Seldom Make Passes At Girls Who Wear Glasses”
    was one pithy D. Parker observation in rhyme.

  410. Rainsrg says:
    @Mark Green

    No one seems to be asking the important question: Why were weapons (from clubs to semi-automatic weapons), shields, and torches allowed at Charlottesville? I am in favor of free speech for both sides. However, reasoned debate does not require semi-automatic weapons, shields, or torches. When a group wants to demonstrate they should be limited to verbal communication, paper handouts stating their position, and signs. NO WEAPONS!! Anyone bringing a weapon (including someone who has a concealed carry permit) should be either turned away or arrested. Rainsrg

  411. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Not only sweeping but incorrect– most of them were in Poland.

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