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Back during the admittedly brief shock and awe period that immediately followed on the Trump electoral victory, it appeared that there might be an actual realignment of American foreign policy. The neoconservatives virtually unanimously had opposed Donald Trump in the most vile terms, both in the GOP primaries and during the actual electoral campaign, making clear that Hillary was their choice for a future full of unrelenting, ideologically driven warfare to convert the world to democracy. By that metric, one would assume that Trump would prefer to be roasted on a spit rather than have neocons on his national security team, and many in the punditry did agree with that analysis and went on to share that view.

At the time, I agreed, but I did note that the neoconservatives have proven to be remarkable resilient, particularly as many of them have remained true to their Democratic Party values on nearly everything but foreign policy, where they are irredeemable hawks, hostile to Russia and Iran and always reliably in the corner of Israel. In short, many neocons can be unmasked as Hillary Clinton Democrats if one looks at them issue by issue, which certainly helps to explain some subsequent developments.

Some Washington observers who actually care about such things have been writing how there has been a kumbaya process going on between self-described conservative neocons and liberal interventionists. Katrina vanden Heuvel describes the progressive hawks as “the essential-country crowd,” borrowing a phrase from ex-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.

There are inevitably minor disconnects between the two groups based on their motives for aggression – Democrats claim to do it to bring democracy and freedom while Republicans say they do it to enhance national security. Both are lying in any event as it all comes down to great power rivalries, with big powerful nations pushing smaller weaker nations around because they are able to get away with it and feel more comfortable if everyone lines up behind them.

So everyone in Washington and New York’s financial services industry agrees that a more assertive America is a better America even when the reality is that no one winds up with either democracy or security. Which brings us to the latest shuffle in the Donald Trump cabinet and what it is likely to mean down the road. Multiple sources are predicting Tillerson out and Mike Pompeo in at State Department with Pompeo replaced at CIA by Senator Tom Cotton. The White House is denying the story, calling it “fake news,” but it is clear that Trump is uncomfortable with the current arrangement and Tillerson will be gone sooner or later.

Mike Pompeo as Secretary of State replaces a somewhat bumbling businessman adept at dealing in energy futures contracts who has been struggling with reducing State’s enormously bloated payroll. Pompeo, a real hard-nosed political hardliner who tends to see complex issues in fairly simplistic ways, has become a presidential confidant, briefing Trump frequently on the state of the world, most recently pushing for the horrific decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. In a recent speech , Pompeo criticized the CIA, observing that it had both forgotten how to spy, which is almost certainly true, while adding that it will have to become “more vicious” to accomplish its mission of making the United States “safe.” Pompeo would like to turn the United States into an unleashed wrecking ball directed against the enemies of the American Way and he appears intent on starting that process in the Middle East.

And Pompeo will be replaced as CIA Director by Tom Cotton. The less said about Tom the better, but I will attempt to summarize in 8 words here: Tom is completely owned by the Israel Lobby. In his 2014 election as junior Senator from Arkansas, he received $1 million from the Emergency Committee for Israel headed by Bill Kristol as well as additional assistance from the Republican Jewish Coalition. In March 2015, Tom paid those supporters back when 47 Republican United States Senators signed a letter allegedly written by him that was then sent to the Iranian government directly, warning that any agreement over that country’s nuclear program reached with President Barack Obama would likely be overturned by the Congress. The letter, which undercuts the authority of the American president before an international audience, was signed by the entire Republican Party leadership in the Senate and also included then presidential contenders Rand Paul, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.

I do not wish to imply that Cotton and Pompeo are somehow stupid, but they do tend to see the world in a very monochromatic fashion, just like their boss. Pompeo was first in his class at West Point and Cotton graduated from Harvard as an undergrad and also from the Law School. Trump claims to be the smartest person in the room no matter where he is standing. But for all the academic credentials and other posturing, it is hard to imagine how the new choices could possibly be worse from a common-sense perspective unless one includes Nikki Haley, who is, fortunately, otherwise engaged. Haley really is stupid. And ambitious. And is also owned by the Israel Lobby, which appears to be a thread that runs its way through all the Trump foreign policy appointees.

What is wrong about the whole Trump team is that they all seem to believe that you can go around the world kicking the shit out of everyone without there being any consequences. And they all hate Iran for reasons that continue to be obscure but may be connected to their relationships with – you guessed it – the neoconservatives and the Israeli Lobby!

Yes, the neocons are back. I noted back in October that when Pompeo and National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster wanted a friendly place to drop by to give a policy speech that would be warmly received they went to the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD), whose marketing masthead slogan is “Fighting Terrorism and Promoting Freedom.” FDD is currently neocon central, used like the American Enterprise Institute was when Dick Cheney was Vice President and needed a friendly audience. It is headed by Canadian Mark Dubowitz, whose passion in life is making sure that sanctions on Iran are enforced to the letter. Unfortunately, it is not easy to deport a Canadian.

Neocon watchers will undoubtedly note that big names like Brill Kristol, the Kagans, Michael Chertoff and Max Boot will not be showing up in government. True, but that is because they will instead be working through their foundations, of which FDD is only one. The Alliance for Securing Democracy, which has recently sprung up in lobby-land, markets itself as “bipartisan, and transatlantic…” but it actually is pure neocon. Its goal is to “expose Putin’s ongoing efforts to subvert democracy in the United States of America and Europe.” It includes the usual neocon names but also has the loyal Democratic opposition, including ex-CIA Acting Director Mike Morell and Jake Sullivan, both of whom were top level advisers to Hillary Clinton.

The replacement of former political appointees in the government has been so slow in Trump’s first year that it has actually benefited the neocons in their recovery. Many survivors of the two previous administrations are still in place, nearly all of whom reflect the hawkishness prevalent during 2001-2016. They will be supplemented by second and third tier neoconservatives, who will fill in the policy gaps, virtually guaranteeing that the neocon crafted foreign policy that has been around for the past sixteen years will be here for some time longer.

What all this means is that, now that the Palestinians have been disposed of and the Israelis rewarded, we can expect armed conflict with Iran within the next year, followed by increased hostility towards Moscow as Russiagate continues to play out. I do not even want to guess at what kind of insanity the gang in the West Wing Situation Room will come up with for dealing with North Korea. The good news is that the builders of home bomb shelters, a booming enterprise when I was growing up back in the 1950s and 1960s now used to cultivate mushrooms, will be back in business.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected].

 
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  1. I can’t wait to see if they would be stupid enough to attack Iran :) Nk is completely out of the question unless the orange hair can somehow convince the chinese to stand down from a military ally.

    it would blow up spectacularly in their faces.

    there are no more safe countries to invade so to speak. iran is back up by both china and russia. NK is untouchable because of china.

    I am 100% sure yemen will become hell on earth in 2018. that is now 5 countries usa has destroyed in 17 years. we are evil fucks.

  2. I’m really concerned an attack on Iran is a correct assessment Philip. They are not a threat to the US and while I think we will be in a support capacity -with Israel obviously– to a bunker buster attack it will be regarded as US backed war throughout the Islamic world. Trump may be too weak to resist Netanyahu’s best sales pitch.

    Tillerson will be gone sooner or later.
    No question, perhaps the week between Christmas and New Year?

    Cotton and Pompeo
    Pompeo may have problems with the Mueller probe. Cotton has a number of rumors in his past and maybe they are just unfortunate talk? But I don’t see him at CIA (we shall see?)

    The Neocons are turning up at MSNBC of late. In addition to Podhoretz, Brooks, Kristol, we are now seeing E.Johnson, B.Stephens, D.Pletka on the scene as regular rotation players. No doubt where they will be leading. Moving in where opportunities abound for some reason? At least two (Halperin, Ford) aren’t around anymore on Coffee Joe.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Z-man
    , @edNels
    , @Anonymous
  3. Trumpenthal will do nothing substantial about the Norks, because NK poses no threat to Israhell.

    and having largely refused to do Zion’s dirty work in Syria, where Hezbollah, Russia, and Damascus have now routed Isramerica’s pet Sunni terrorists, he thinks to appease the (((Beast))) by throwing it the Jerusalem bone…

    …but that will not suffice. The (((Beast))), ex-Trotskyite communist Jew neo-conz and their uniparty shabbatz goyim, will push ever harder for an Isramerican/Saudi attack on Iran.

    and I hope (((they))) get what they want.

    I really do.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @mr meener
  4. Issac says:

    It will be increasingly difficult to rally even nationalist Americans to the cause of combating neocon foreign policy as their readily apparent domestic peril continues to inch closer.

    • Replies: @Anon
  5. peterAUS says:

    we can expect armed conflict with Iran within the next year,

    Well, if conflict is simply air assault on Iranian nuclear facilities that shouldn’t be a problem for either party.
    Israelis/Americans bomb a bit and then everything goes back to normal. Something as that cruise missile launch on Syria.

    In a case of a serious effort though, say, attempt to “regime change” in Iran, well, it hinges on a projected (in)ability to keep Hormuz open I guess.
    If that is possible the next problem would be a resilience/strength of the regime itself (how fragile it really is; or not).

    As mentioned several times on this site before, it all depends on a pretext for the intervention.
    American public isn’t as gullible as before; at the same time we can see the power of the system through Russiagate etc.

    Interesting times.

  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Well, if the rumours about Cotton and Pompeo appointments materialise, Trump might as well move his own office to Jerusalem.

  7. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    we are evil fucks

    The Jews are evil fucks and that statement represents one of their greatest achievements. The US goyim will be blamed for everything – and they’ll pay for it all with their blood and coin.

    That’s why the Jews are willing to risk it.

    • Agree: druid
  8. We’re all just hapless passengers on the Neocon Titanic, unable to influence what’s playing out on the bridge. Steady as she goes on the unsinkable U.S.S.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Disagree: Zumbuddi
    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  9. The Neocons, on January 20, were standing on the podium behind Trump with a dagger to his kidneys and chanting, “Thou art mortal.” They’ve been doing so ever since. If Trump knew morse code, he’d no doubt be blinking “hostage” or “duress” when they let him loose to do the occasional rally.

    To take this to Reductio ad Hitlerum, if Trump really were a Hitler-type, he would have had a Himmler-type to take out the Neo-cons and Never-Trumpers, but he didn’t. Now we are paying for his weakness.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  10. Realist says:
    @Mark James

    “Trump may be too weak to resist Netanyahu’s best sales pitch.”

    Trump is an Israeli sycophant…..a loser.

    • Agree: Che Guava
  11. This is good one. Thank you, Philip.

    The Deep State is deeply kosher. ‘Neoconservatism’ is Yiddish for ‘supervising the goyim’. This is what the DC think tanks are for: ideological backup and narrative control.

    As with the Fourth Estate, the foundations generate cover for America’s unsought transformation at home and unjustified bellicosity abroad. The think tanks churn out papers and provide the talking heads. They supply deep cred where the cred doesn’t belong.

    And the winner is…

    Israel.

    Surprised?

    Inside Washington’s notorious beltway a lot of evil shit is going on. And there’s more being planned. Far more.

    Did somebody say ‘evil empire’?

    We happen to be living in one right now.

    The sacred cow in this horror show is none other than that plucky, downtrodden and ‘highly democratic’ ethno-state whose name we shouldn’t mention since it may constitute ‘hate speech’.

    So let’s all play it safe and and take a collective wild guess, shall we? (But don’t tell!)

    The neocon establishment, with its ambitious underlings, ethnic operatives, mega-donors, celebrity cheerleaders and script supervisors never left Washington when Obama did (nor in other inter-connected halls of power) and they don’t intend to now. Regime change is what happens in other countries. Not here.

    America has been conquered from within.

    But it’s all Russia’s fault!

    Here’s our very own Philip Giraldi from a recent LIVE broadcast on RT:

    https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/412407-trump-israel-jerusalem-capital/

  12. From the movie Iron Sky, meant as a condemnation of Nazism, but inadvertently conveying a sensible message about the merits of purity.
    Renate Richter: This is very simple. The world is sick, but we are the doctors. The world is anemic, but we are the vitamin. The world is weary, but we are the strength. We are here to make the world healthy once again, with hard work, with honesty, with clarity, with decency. We are the product of loving mothers and brave fathers. We are the embodiment of love and bravery! We are the gift of both God and Science. We are the answer to the question. We are the promise delivered to all mankind. For that, we raise our hands to one Nation. We step to the beat of one drum. We march to the beat of one heart and it is this song that we will sing to this world. We are the people who carry the children on our shoulders in the same way that our fathers carried us and their fathers carried them. We are the one people united and strong. We are the one people with certainty, moral certainty. We are invincible and we have no fear because the truth makes us wise.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    Well, if conflict is simply air assault on Iranian nuclear facilities that shouldn’t be a problem for either party.
    Israelis/Americans bomb a bit and then everything goes back to normal. Something as that cruise missile launch on Syria.

    That US missile attack on the Syrian airport cost Trump a lot of domestic and international support for zero benefit. Most Jews (and never-Trumpers) were happy but most Jews are sub-consciously suicidal.

  14. I do not even want to guess at what kind of insanity…

    Insanity. That’s the key. Sick beyond redemption.

    No rational person could ever begin to understand their motives. Somehow the jackals need to be restrained.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  15. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Smeeton

    Nice. Reminds me of Seneca III.

    I know where I will stand and where it will take me, but I have nothing to lose but my children’s chains.

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/12/a-third-letter-to-my-people-ten-years-on/

  16. Jake says:

    “The less said about Tom the better, but I will attempt to summarize in 8 words here: Tom is completely owned by the Israel Lobby. In his 2014 election as junior Senator from Arkansas, he received $1 million from the Emergency Committee for Israel headed by Bill Kristol as well as additional assistance from the Republican Jewish Coalition.”

    Cotton acts according to the proclivities, the prepossessions, the internal mandates of WASP Elite culture.

    Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy. Judaizing heresy always produces pro-Jewish politics and culture. The most archetypal WASP, Oliver Cromwell, allied with Jews precisely to fill his coffers with loans that would pay for ongoing WASP war to exterminate any independence, including any cultural independence, of non-WASP Christians. First those native to the British Isles, and then eying the world.

    From its very inception, the British Empire that would become the largest and wealthiest in world history was very much a pro-Jewish thing, in that Jews were its loan bankers and junior partners to the WASP war leaders and businessmen. And that alliance was always focused on stomping on virtually every other white Christian group with the intent of forcing cultural conversion to WASP.

    What people like Giraldi see as horror is also the natural, the inevitable, fruit of a nation grounded in the legacy of Puritans.

    There is no way to rid this nation of the threat, to almost all white Gentiles in the country as well as to almost the entire world, without removing WASP culture as the nation’s mandarin.

    And that is the reason there is no relief, no matter who gets elected. WASP culture continues to be regnant.

    And people like John Derbyshire and Peter Brimelow, therefore, are doing the duty that those they they think they oppose want them to do.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @DaveE
  17. Joe Hide says:

    It’s not at all that simple
    A huge game is being played, so complex that super computers, thousands of brilliant analysts, soon to be quantum computers, A.I., trillions of dollars in liquid and non-liquid assets, and remarkable hidden forces are interacting now. What we ordinary humans are presented with as the news, reality, …. is just what we can bare, enough to transform those of us who so strongly desire great truths and and powerful loving relationships. It’s a great and awakening age we live in.

  18. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    We see the same usual suspects time and again, waving their pom-poms lustily cheering on endless war that does NOT help or benefit the USA. In fact, it is destroying our nation economically, spiritually and politically.

    From an April 2003 Haaretz article:

    The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it’s possible.

    This is a war of an elite. [Tom] Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/white-man-s-burden-1.14110

    Yet if you point out the obvious, that our foreign policy has been hijacked by an element whose first loyalty is to Israel, you will catch all sorts of hell, be banned from making comments on blogs and news sites, or like the brave Mr. Giraldi, lose your job. And be blasted with the worn-out canard of being an anti-Semite. Maybe even a Jew hater, all because you show concern for the nation you love and are loyal to.

    Will Americans ever realize they are being played for fools by a country and Zionist con artists which doesn’t give a tinkers damn about us or will we keep jumping up and down to the pom-pom waving?

    • Replies: @Z-man
  19. Singh says:

    Reality of mosaic distinction means no they don’t just use ideology to hide their geopolitical ambitions. Rather, the ideology determines them and they do fervently believe at some level that democracy, meaning christian values/ethics, ਆਰ superior to the rest and must be proyselitized.

  20. Zumbuddi says:
    @The Alarmist

    iirc Hitler himself killed Rohm

    The courage of the Knife AND the Blood.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @Wally
  21. The Controversy of Zion, by Douglas Reed, p.133ch.22

    http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdf

    Under The Law [Talmudic Jewish law] this destruction was not an end in itself; it was a means to the end laid down in The Law. The extirpation of nation-states was to be the essential prelude to the establishment of the triumphant nation-State, that of the chosen people in their promised land. Thus, in the middle of the last century, a second force also was brought into being in those same Eastern, Talmudic-ruled areas where the world revolution received its shape and impetus.
    This was Zionism, the force that was set in movement to achieve “the return” and lay the foundations of the supreme Nation-State in Palestine. This, the force of domination, at every stage in the process of the last hundred years kept step with the force of revolution, and neither could have achieved what it did achieve without the other. The achievement is clear: the “return” has been accomplished and the nation-state of the chosen people has been founded; simultaneously the nation-states of other peoples, those breeds outside The Law, have been reduced or extinguished. The dominant-force corrupted the governments of these states at the top level; the revolutionary-force eroded their foundations at the bottom [181] level. Dr. Kastein, having affirmed that the Jewish government (the “centre”, with its unbroken history of more than two thousand years) “ceased to exist” after the dissection of Poland in 1772, records that a hundred years later “a Jewish international” was in being. He evidently meant that the Jewish government of Jews had given way to a Jewish government of governments, and this is evidently the truth of our time.
    Disraeli spoke of “a network” of revolutionary organizations which covered the earth like a system of railroads; it is the perfect description of the destructive mechanism which was constructed. To achieve the greater purpose there had to be another network at the top, and although Disraeli did not use the word in that case, he alluded to it when he said, “The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes”. This is presumably “the Jewish international” of which Dr. Kastein speaks, a league of powerful and wealthy men at the top, under whose authority kings and princes, first, and republican presidents and politicians, next, equally found themselves.
    These two machines worked in synchronization, each promoting the aim of the other. In their dealings with the masses, the Gentile rulers were forced by the threat of revolution from below to yield ever more authority, until they fell; in their dealings with foreign countries, and in the wars to which these led, they were constrained by the power of the purse to support the plan of the symbolic “return” to Palestine. The Gentile often asks why men of wealth should promote revolution. Disraeli put the same question, in order to give the answer: they wish to destroy Christianity. He knew precisely what he meant; to the Gentile the answer may be made more comprehensible by saying that they obey the Talmudic Law, which requires the destruction of heathen nation-states as the prelude to the triumphant “return”.

    What to do about it?
    Educate the people about it.
    Spread the word.

    • Agree: Zumbuddi
  22. iffen says:
    @peterAUS

    American public isn’t as gullible as before;

    Sources please. :)

  23. Yes all this Newspeak, to hide the fact that the US is a threat in anyone that disagrees with them…
    Let me try out some Newspeak: The situation calls out for a lasting and final solution to the American problem…

  24. LondonBob says:

    I assume the old Bush the Elder realists no longer exist. Sadly I think everything is so geared up to perpetual war in America that only bankruptcy will stop it. On the plus side now Obama is no longer the front man Europe and the rest will increasingly go their own way, as I expect they would had Clinton won as well.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @Twodees Partain
  25. Trump was a Trojan horse for the Zionists who control every facet of the gov and now Trump has shown his true colors , that being a warmongering neocon and a fool who acts like Mussolini and has Kushner a mossad agent as his advisor.

    The only difference between Trump and Helliary is their plumbing, both are under the control of ISISRAEL.

  26. Z-man says:

    Of course I hope you’re wrong Phil. While Pompeo would be …not good, Tillerson has been a big disappointment with his latest statements on Crimea and Ukraine included. Cotton would be another matter altogether and even though there is a ‘collegial spirit’ in the Senate I would hope that Rand Paul and other senators with common sense would squash this guys nomination. Even if he has to carry himself back from Kentucky, broken ribs and all, to squash this Neocon stooge Cotton. Also, I’m hopping there are some boys in the closet when it comes to Cotton. lol

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @RadicalCenter
  27. Z-man says:
    @Mark James

    Cotton has a number of rumors in his past and maybe they are just unfortunate talk?

    Interesting, I’ve always intuitively thought this guy is a weirdo besides being a Neocon lap dog so hopefully it’s true.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  28. Zumbuddi says:
    @LondonBob

    Faith in Bush the OLDER is misplaced.

    In 1979 he stood shoulder to shoulder w/ Bibi and Benzion Netenyahu, and Midge Decter & other neocons, in Jerusalem, as they drafted the blueprint for GWOT. Planning went so far as to name the 7 states to take out.
    USSR was #1 at the time.
    Jews got Jews Who had been highly educated at Russian expense – out of Russia, now Russia is back in the crosshairs.

    Bush I is what Jake would call a Judaized Episcopalian, aka a goy neocon.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  29. Z-man says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    Yes ZOG and The Beast, very Biblical. A pox on ‘The Beast’!

  30. DaveE says:
    @Anonymous

    Jews are evil fucks.

    Americans are stoopid and cowardly fucks for being so easily manipulated by the Jew.

    I can’t decide which is worse.

    Merry Christmas. May we all get what we’ve earned.

  31. Ben Frank says:

    So far the President has proved much smarter than most people expected him to be. Let’s pray that he’s also smart enough to stay out of new wars.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  32. Moi says:

    Philip, no need to get into a slather over the wars/invasions to come. Did they not teach you the violence began as soon as the good folk landed at Plymouth Rock? And it’s never stopped.

    I think Nikki Haley (nee Namrata Randhawa), the Sikh lady in Christian clothing, should be our next chief overseeing the devolution.

  33. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Americans are stoopid and cowardly fucks for being so easily manipulated by the Jew.

    Not so much anymore. Meanwhile, didn’t the Muslims spend five years fighting each-other right on the Israeli border? But wait – they did attack Israel once – and apologised:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-28/isis-apologized-israel-attacking-idf-soldiers

    I don’t know what to tell you…

    • Replies: @DaveE
    , @druid
  34. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Z-man

    Cotton’s most important virtue/selling point/marketable asset from Israel first POV is his seething hatred for Iran.

    He fought Israel’s wars in Iraq and/or Afghanistan.
    Possible he lost comrades to IEDs ?? which are, of course, blamed on Iran.

  35. Z-man says:
    @Mark Green

    Thanks for the clip Mark Green!
    Phil you should work with that guy Grant F. Smith of IRmep, we need young blood in the fight against ‘The Cabal’. (Grin)

  36. nsa says:
    @peterAUS

    “the American public isn’t as gullible as before….”
    Ha, Ha. You obviously do not live here. 99% of Americans have a flat screen JooBox installed in their living rooms and believe everything (jooie managed images and info) spewing forth from it. More than 50% of Americans have multiple flat screen JooBoxes in their homes so they can be sure not to miss the latest disinfo or lies. The power of the JooBox in the USA is near total…..examine the way it can spread glib moronic cliches throughout the population almost overnight: “my bad”, “winning”, “whatever”, “thinking outside the box”, “new paradigm”, “thrown under the bus”, “kicked to the curb”, “24, 7″…..etc. List is near endless. The best overused trash cliche occurs when two morons happen to share a thought….one of the morons proclaims a loud “BINGO!” showing profound agreement. Note that Orwell was 100% wrong. The modern Winston Smiths and Julias yearn to keep their blinking flat screen JooBoxes on so as to absorb the maximum amount of jooie lies and disinfo…….not turn the beast off or damage it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Stonehands
  37. None of the “buttons” are functioning.

    This is a reply to anon20171212 Comment #21

    Educate the people about it.

    Won’t do a bit of good, even if the (mostly sneering) masses were not so thoroughly brainwashed.

    People were much more savvy a century ago and spoke openly about the threat, politicians and businessman included, yet look at where we are now. As smart as they were, the masses trusted the system enough to get sucked into supporting the crackpots’ programs. Any change for the better will now have to come from without.

    Al it takes is a very few nutcases in key positions to ignore what the vast majority thinks or wants with virtually total impunity.

  38. Z-man says:

    Looking at it from the other side of the coin, a positive side for most of us on this site, Trump could very well kick out more Neocons than he brings in. One example is the UN Ambassador who was as big a disappointment to me as when Obama brought in SHillary. She is going to naturally irritate the Trumpster so I can see her being jettisoned. But we shall see, he could put in somebody even worse!

  39. The “problem” is that the whole American “business model” is based on global economic supremacy, which means, essentially, the dollar as world reserve currency. If that goes, the whole US house of cards will probably implode, Soviet-style. That requires unchallenged American “world leadership”. The big threat to the “American model” isn’t the EU and certainly not the Russian Federation. It’s China. 1.4 billion people and rapidly heading for global economic hegemony. To say nothing of a rising India at 1.2 billion. At 300 million, the US is small beans. How to ward off the Yellow Peril? That’s the problem the US hegemonists had to resolve. My theory is that their idea was a “White Man’s Confederacy”: the US, the EU (500 million) and an exhumed Soviet Union (300 million). That makes 1.1 billion. Kleptocrats of the world, unite! Which they all joyfully would! But of course, that couldn’t be an equal partnership. The US had to dominate the other two. The plan seems to have been to bamboozle Putin with pipedreams of “Eurasian” imperial glory and then use him as a battering ram to break up the EU and a bogeyman to keep the resulting plethora of small and more or less defenceless statelets under the US jackboot. Then, they would double-cross Putin via the oligarchs and turn the “Eurasian Union” into an American satellite. Bingo!
    What went wrong? Klitschko! The hegemonists believed their own propaganda. Nobody expected ordinary Ukrainians to demonstrate in favour of the EU. Nuland panicked and sent in the rent-a-rioters. Yanukovych then panicked and fled. Putin, seeing his promised “reward” slipping through his fingers, panicked and started grabbing Ukrainian land by force. Held back, no doubt, by Nuland and the neocons, Obama refrained from military action, thereby discrediting the US as the protector of the ex-EU statelets (and, horror of horrors, Israel!) and leaving the EU as the only alternative to Putin’s tanks. The latter then blundered into the Syrian civil war, making himself Israel’s enemy. That torpedoed the whole scam and the neocons, whose “asset” Putin originally was, broke with him.
    You can’t be great if you capitulate! Trump has no choice but to defeat Putin in Ukraine. If he doesn’t, the whole American model goes under, probably bringing down Israel with it. To the advantage, of course, of the Chinese. If Putin had had an ounce of political savvy (which he manifestly hasn’t!), he’d have backed Hillary. With Nuland at Foggy Bottom, she’d have cut a deal with Putin (no doubt to the EU’s and Ukraine’s disadvantage) and had the political credibility to sell the deal to Congress and to pressure the EU and Ukraine into knuckling under. Trump’s links to “dubious” Russians make that impossible. That the spooks didn’t see that coming tends to confirm Pompeo’s criticisms of the CIA.

    • Troll: Rurik
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  40. DaveE says:
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, yeah, yeah…… big bad ISIS.

    The Israeli Secret Intelligence Service. “Keeping Fools and Idiots At Each Other’s Throats”. Since 1950.

    I don’t know what to tell you……..

  41. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    Somehow the jackals need to be restrained.

    It’s not that difficult to strategize HOW to go about “restraining the jackals.”
    99 44/100% of what ziocons accuse others of is projection.
    They say, “They [_____ Iran, ISIS, Palestinians, Russians - fill in the blank] understand only force.”

    This projects that the only thing that will restrain psychopathic Israel is force.

    When an Iranian nuclear engineer was assassinated in Tehran, Ronen Bergman told Brian Williams that “Israel has used assassination more than any other state; not even Stalin or Hitler used assassination as much as Israel. . . .”

    Assassination wielded as ‘a weapon’ – Video on NBCNews.com

    Video for ronen bergman brian williams▶
    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982
    Feb 8, 2012
    Video on NBCNews.com: Israel has long used assassination against its enemies, “hoping that by taking out … https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=ronen+bergman+brian+williams&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982

    [looks like NBC has pulled the video ]

    Bergman continued: “In Israel they call Ahmadinejad Hitler. I don’t agree, but anytime you say someone is Hitler, that means they are an enemy to my people, and you not only have the moral right, you have the moral duty to take them out.”

    Bergman added, “We Jews have used assassination to change history.”

    In America First terms, those who pose a threat to the American people are “Hitler” and Americans have the moral right and duty to take them out, in order to reform our history, to reclaim our history.

    What we need to do is draw up a list of Jewish “Hitlers, ” and summon the guts to systematically take them out.

    ACCEPTING nominees for Israeli and Israel-firster Hitlers — people who pose a threat to the American people:

    Bibi gets pride of place.
    Ehud Barak, right up there
    The Kagan clan and the Kristol network have betrayed the USA in multiple ways. They deserve a fair trial before they are summarily hung in the presence of their children.
    Whole list of Israel firster journos vying for the Julius Streicher slot

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Talha
    , @Miro23
  42. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @nsa

    Let me guess, NSA, this is taken straight from a random US ghetto. You guys are out of your depth. What planet are we on? Tell me.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  43. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ben Frank

    So far the President has proved much smarter than most people expected him to be

    Exactamundo, Ben Frank (any relation to Anne, Princess of the Ballpoint Pen?).

    Naming Jerusalem the capital of Israel was fucking brilliant.

    Don’t you worry your pretty little head about all the US forces in the multiple bases in the region that are accessible to mad-as-hornets Muslims; Israel will have their backs, fer shur.

    Come to think of it, maybe Trump can burnish his “much smarter-ness” by taking a page out of Reagan’s playbook: Immediately after the first US soldier is plinked by an Angry Arab, Trump should pull ALL US FORCES out of the region: do a Reagan-post-Black Hawk down.

    If the Israelis want to stir the pot, let them stand over the steam-heat and wield the spoon. We’re outa there.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Wally
  44. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The people of the ME can’t catch a break. Since being pried away from the Ottoman empire a hundred years ago they’ve been the plaything of various western countries. Their national borders drawn up by distant foreigners, they’ve been interfered with constantly, their regimes dictated by foreigners. Then the selfsame westerners turn around and point to their backwardness as proof that they’re incapable of doing anything on their own.
    The US is expansionist, projecting itself all over the globe and uses force against anyone who resists. Force is all it understands. What happens when the irresistible force bumps into the immovable object? War hysteria, of which we’ve had an unending amount for the past three generations. Objectively there’s nothing conservative about the so-called neocons. They’re hardly any different from fascists except the rhetoric is different. Mussolini had limits as to how much territory he wanted to conquer for his empire unlike the US which recognizes no limits.

  45. The good news is that the builders of home bomb shelters, a booming enterprise when I was growing up back in the 1950s and 1960s now used to cultivate mushrooms, will be back in business.

    Word to the wise.

  46. Rurik says:

    replaced at CIA by Senator Tom Cotton.

    it was faint, and barely perceptible, but at some level, I did actually tremble when I read those words

    Cotton is the new John McCain

    the ultimate traitor to this nation and its people and all people of good will on the planet and every tenet of decency known to the universe

    a lickspittle to Sheldon Adelson and everything that repulsive toad represents

    if Cotton is exalted to head the CIA, I’ll have to think very hard about leaving these shores

    perhaps Bobby Fischer was right, and the ZUSA is endemically, irredeemably evil.

    there can be no doubt that the zio-Fiend is the incarnation of evil itself, but I always keep hoping that the good people of the ZUS will repudiate the zio-Fiend- that has them waging serial wars all over the planet to benefit the Jews. As their infrastructure crumbles back home, and their veterans can’t get health care, and the jobs are ‘in’ and outsourced to the third world.

    what will it take to wake up the bovine, cud-chewing sheople?!

    their children come home in body bags, or with their souls so eviscerated by the sheer evil of the wars they’re forced to fight, that they often just ‘snuff it’ as the only escape from their nightmares. (and the realization that the ZUSA is a drooling fiend and that they’ve murdered innocent people and destroyed nations on its behalf)

    those young people can not abide the evil that the ZUS government has become, and their only salvation is to end their young lives.

    for those of us with more choices at hand, why can’t we finally and simply repudiate the zio-scum who’ve done us and so many others so much harm?!

    NOT TOM COTTON!!!!!

    fuck no!

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @anonymous
  47. @Michael Kenny

    You get a 35% for effort, another 20% for attempting to connect dots.

    You fail because you did not consider the most significant dots; let’s call it OBOR:

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/russiagate-becomes-israelgate/#comment-2112855

    (h/t RobinG)

    …while the US mires itself in conflicts….

    The $10 Trillion Investment Plan To Integrate The Eurasian Supercontinent

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-08/10-trillion-investment-plan-integrate-eurasian-supercontinent

    “The effort is mainly focused on the development of railway networks, hospitals, and power plants. Such basic infrastructure will lay the groundwork for further development in countries involved in the BRI that otherwise have little capacity to invest in such projects themselves.

    According to Zhang Zansheng, an accredited researcher at the China Center for International Economic Exchanges, the first marker is set for 2020, the year that “further tangible progress” should be made in the development of the BRI, mainly referring to railway links between different Asian regions and the Mediterranean.

    Reflecting how things are already changing, dozens of trains leave monthly from European countries to reach China, the latest being one from Italy, leaving from the province of Pavia, a few kilometers from Milan.”

    US is stuck in its misinterpretation of WWI and WWII as US glory-days; they still haven’t figured out that Jews used those wars to wipe out Jewish enemies and to occupy not only Palestine but USA.

    So badly do Americans understand that history — distorted by design — that they frequently overlook a detail — that place where devils reside: WWI was fought, in part, over railroads:

    https://carlcymrushistoryblog.wordpress.com/2014/04/18/the-berlin-baghdad-railway-and-the-outbreak-of-world-war-one/

    Queen Nefertiti fought wars over trade routes to acquire myrrh.

    Some things never change.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  48. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    This projects that the only thing that will restrain psychopathic Israel is force.

    Yes, but the force must be carefully pre-planned and final.

  49. Sloopyjoe says:

    OT

    RE: http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/russiagate-becomes-israelgate/ Comment #607

    Mr. Unz and Mr. Giraldi,

    I was wondering if you two had come to any conclusion as to giving permission for the project below. Thanks.

    _________

    Hey guys, I see a problem and I have an idea for a solution.

    Analysis of Mr. Giraldi’s comment section

    I have noticed over the 10 months I’ve been posting on The UNZ Review and primarily on Mr. Giraldi’s articles, that there are many competent well-meaning researchers here who are trying to get the good info out and fight the good fight. I think most of us can agree that there is an undue and significant Israeli-Firster influence within the US host body. I have also noticed a few subversive mentally deficient trolls who seem to delight in triggering some of you into time-wasting keyboard battles. Ridicule/Ignore them. If you must reply, keep your responses short and to the point. You ain’t gonna change their minds. Forget the ego trip about getting the last word in and grow a thicker skin. These “Creatures” are a waste of your time and energy. Frankly, you will get better results and more enjoyment talking with your dog/cat. Instead of wasting time and energy on non-productive endeavors, how about putting that time and energy into something constructive/productive?

    First, I would like to ask Mr. Unz and Mr. Giraldi for permission for the use of their comment section to update the List Summaries. This exercise is by no means to be construed as a “Witch Hunt”. Nor do I wish this to become a hijacking of articles.

    The “Utu” Revelation and the “Who Controls the USA List Summaries” (comment #6)

    The drive-by lippy and wannabe Mr. Know-It-All gatekeeper, Utu, gave me an idea. In life, when one is dealt lemons, make lemonade. I believe many have found the List Summaries (LS) to be informative and possibly overwhelming in nature as to the degree of Jewish over-representation. Rather than be dismayed and cry about it, how about helping to update and fill in the blanks. This would be an open-sourced collective effort and documented with links. The incompetent/compromised bureaucrats and keystone cops of the USSA sure as hell don’t seem to care, so the job is left up to us.

    Here’s how it would work:
    1) Pick your LS section
    2) Use the LS as the framework.
    3) Fill in your LS section with:
    A) Full Names of each person with a (J) after the name if a Jew, (C) for Christian, (M) Muslim, etc.
    B) Pictures
    C) A brief Bio of each person.
    D) Use the same weighting method to find the proportion of Jews.

    Post publicly available documents to be reviewed by all who wish to participate in this exercise. The contents of the various LS and related methodology used can be changed by consensus agreement by those who wish to participate through a REAL democratic voting process. Future sections can be added later.

    I would also like to state that just because someone is a Jew, does not mean that they are being subversive towards the USA. This is simply a more in-depth survey and updating of a previous list summary that shows the potential over-representation of Jews in various positions.

    This is just an initial idea and I would like to hear the ideas of others, as well as, from Mr. Giraldi, who has worked in Counter-Intelligence.

    Anyone interested in becoming a Productive Pajamahadeen?

    • Replies: @renfro
  50. I have to admit being fond of isreal because of my roots in scripture. But that intimacy does not include any default embrace of any thing Israel does goes because salvation is through the Jewish line. That reality has no press as to any believer in Christ being second or unduly loyal to Jews.

    I think is just best said, the underpinnings of Israeli support lies in our underlying understanding of scripture and the end times. Which has become a bait and hook to most US politicians, even if they wouldn’t have thing a thing to with scripture or Christ if they met him in person.

    it is more than troubling.

    While I think I understand the neo-conservative gambit, I find it hard to embrace as a practice for it violates the very principles upon which the gambit is being pressed.

    Despite our disagreements. It is always good to read your articles, – appreciated for their depth of information and breadth of analysis. You and Scot Ritter are just really huge bees in the ointment of complacency.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  51. @SolontoCroesus

    PS If the USA / American people and their representatives conformed foreign as well as economic policy to the vision of George Washington rather than Louis Brandeis —> Benjamin Netanyahu & fellow psychopaths and traitors, USA would engage with OBOR rather than attempt to destroy it.

    Check out anon20171212′s comment at #21, above http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/bad-moon-rising/#comment-2115106

    Destruction (and deception) are the way of the Talmudists.

    Even Heinrich Graetz, the Germanophilic Jew who authored the first modern history of the Jewish people, had nothing but opprobrium to heap on Talmudists.

    https://archive.org/details/historyofthejews014022mbp

    The American ‘way’ is not the way of the Talmud.

    Christian values are not Talmudic values.

    George Washington’s legacy was not Talmudic, it was America First:

    https://www.varsitytutors.com/earlyamerica/milestone-events/george-washingtons-farewell-address-full-text

  52. @Anonymous

    doesn’t matter, we are still the ones doing the dirty work. there is no escape from the responsibility. it is like a hitman claiming he is a professional, it is just business. that doesn’t fly.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  53. Ken S says:

    What’s with it with neoconservative Israel lackeys like Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz graduating from a prestigious and supposedly left-wing school like Harvard? Are they book-smart without common sense? The country would be better off if Cotton stayed in the Senate. He can do less damage if 1 of 100. Plus,the shelf-life of anyone in the Trump admin seems to be very short – and he’d better not have groped any Harvard classmates, who might just be waiting in the wings to destroy his career.

  54. Z-man says:
    @anonymous

    Ben Frank (any relation to Anne, Princess of the Ballpoint Pen?).

    LOL!!!

  55. JustJeff says:

    Well the Jews have won, hands down. Time to find some new websites to read cause this is just getting depressing.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  56. As recently as a month ago, I was still willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. But it should now be obvious to all what a total zio-muppet he really is. If there’s any silver lining in all of this, it’s the fact that the Jew-media have expended so much effort in attacking Trump that he’ll now make a very poor spokesman for their cause abroad.

    BTW, I still don’t see an attack on Iran as being very likely. If Russia and China would not greenlight an attack on Syria, they will be doubly reluctant to greelight an attack on Iran.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  57. Che Guava says:
    @Anonymous

    I am not NSA, although am generally agreeing with NSA, but this thread has too many dodgy ‘Anon’ morons like yourself, who don’t deserve any attention at all, you can be satisfied with a few words from me.

    YOU ARE A CRETIN, THE SITE WOULD BE THAT LITTLE BIT IMPROVED IF YOU VANISHED and do your turd-rate trolling somewhere else.

  58. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Nope. You are shifting the blame and you can’t “shift” something like that. It’s not a bag of potatoes. It doesn’t mean that the lazy or the weak can get away with it. Everyone will be judged independently.

  59. Z-man says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    I can see your points on Trump but I’m still holding out hope. My spin is a la the Godfather, ‘Keep your friends close and your enemies closer’. He has to protect his flanks, the entire spectrum of the tribe attacking him for ‘this or that’ while still keeping his core nationalist values, if he has any. I’m hoping he still does.
    One thing he has to do, no matter what, is get that weird son in law and ‘converted’ daughter out of the WH!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  60. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Can you name 3 books, other than scripture, that you’ve read in the past year?

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  61. how is it shifting when our hands are bloody and holding the weapons?

    you can 100% say the israelis are equally as guilty, but to absolve of our own responsibility. no fucking way. you are shifting, not I.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  62. anarchyst says:

    The proposal to relocate the United States embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem should be handled this way:
    The United States embassy should be located on the “green line” (border) between East and West Jerusalem. The embassy building itself should be delineated as such: The portion of the building in East Jerusalem should be the United States embassy to Palestine; the portion of the building in West Jerusalem should be the United States embassy to Israel. Let the zionists chew on that one…Problem solved.

    • Replies: @skrik
  63. @Mark Green

    “… Regime change is what happens in other countries. Not here.
    America has been conquered from within.”

    Mark,

    What a great comment!

    Frankly I do not know anything beyond that which you wrote.

    Thanks very much.

  64. Alden says:
    @Jake

    Oberlin College is the epitome of the John Knox version of puritanism. I don’t think it is as simple as you claim, but there is a lot of truth in what you say. The 1600′s Puritans outlawed Christmas just as the Jews want to do today. But today’s Puritans are in a quandary about Christmas as the Christmas Capitalist Consumer orgy is the only thing that keeps the retail sector afloat.

  65. The “democracy” the neocons want to push is the one in which (((mass media))) successfully lobotomizes the electorate into thinking it has democracy. The zombies then make their way to the polls seeking “hope & change” but with no choice. Hegemony is the goal, not democracy.

    Trump may have been skeptical as a candidate about America’s role as policeman of the world, but the establishment knives are out and he might (correctly?) surmise that the only way to stay in office is to make the ziocons happy. Even Bill Kristol would see the error in never-Trumpism if bombs started falling on Iran.

  66. @Anonymous

    Seems the US Treasury is already there.

  67. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Z-man

    I used to think like that 3-4 months ago. Alas, his enemies are so close now that their penises are messing with his vocal cords and digestion.

  68. @Zumbuddi

    Not so!
    The SA leadership had conference meeting in hotel.
    During night SS came and killed them all except Rohm.
    They killed them with knives as not to cause public disturbance.
    Rohm was taken to prison cell where on the table was pistol with one bullet.
    He was told to kill himself.
    Rohm refused.
    SS guard started to shoot and they were shooting until Rohm did stop twitching.
    Number of bullets was never counted {thoughtless Germans) but there were many.
    (The night of the long knives.)
    (Rohm was Hitlers commander in war and in civil life was his handler.}

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  69. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    First you kill the ultimate enemy, who’s 100% guilty. You should do it for your children, who are innocent. After that you can do whatever you want.

  70. DaveE says:
    @Jake

    For the life of me, I can’t figure out exactly WHAT kind of troll you are, exactly.

    You generally appear as a Jewish troll, making the stupidest non-arguments to blame you favorite enemy, WASPS, the cultural descendants of Luther, the greatest “anti-Semite” TM since Christ himself, making the idiotic claim WASPs are manipulating the poor Jews rather than the other way around.

    Then, next minute, you appear as a stupid black of the BLM / Antifa crowd, simply obsessed with taking cheap shots at the WASP to massage your battered ego….. Occasionally, you even manage to play the victim pretty convincingly for the poor, persecuted white guy, always victim of the “WASP elite” but never the far more diabolical (and powerful) Jews…….

    Either way, take a hike. We see through you all the way to Jerusalem.

  71. Neocons are cattle with ring in their noses.
    To the ring is tied rope.
    The other end of rope is hold by Zionist- Globalists.

  72. Bayan says:
    @peterAUS

    In foreign policy, the American public is irrelevant gullible or not. Same for the British and many others. I think during the Iraq war majority of the British opposed the war, they were ignored.

    In terms of cost/benefit America/Israel should not attack Iran. But, America/Israel are too powerful, it is not clear they think in terms of cost/benefit. They may go to war for no reason at all.

    In any case Iran is stupid to get itself involved in the civil war of many of its neighbors.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  73. @peterAUS

    You are not too informed, are you?
    Russians sold now quite a lot S3 antiaircraft batteries to Iran.
    And also Iranians have a lot of their own antiaircraft rockets.
    Not even quarter of planes would return from bombing raid.
    And also Iran has the capacity to shoot down cruise missiles.
    Any of this kind of action would provoke devastation action from Iran.
    All Saudi oil loading facilities are on the other side of see.
    Iran would easily put these on fire.
    The consequences are unimaginable.
    To stop Iran, US has no other option than all out invasion, or nuke them.
    And that is like you say “bridge too far”

    • Replies: @anon
  74. bjondo says:
    @Rurik

    relax
    tom cotton is going to the cia
    as a door stop

  75. Joe Wong says:
    @peterAUS

    American has an all volunteer armed forces (mercenary), they are paid to kill or be killed, their fates is only a few seconds on the screens if the MSM decided to air them, otherwise the wars and the American soldiers’ lives have nothing to do with the American public. Mayhem in far away land in out of sight and out of mind. Citing the American public gullibility is really a residual sentiment of old days cold war mentality and trying to attach some kind of morality to the wars the American has been fighting. American has long been demonstrated they are just as morally defunct imperialist as the British and their mentor, the Romans.

    The real issue is how to finance the war, as long as the war does not cause hyper inflation in the USA, the warmongers in the Washington beltway will go ahead with the war without much concern, with EU, Australia, Japan and S Korea in line paying the bills, the American should be able to wage another regime change war in the ME without much difficulty.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  76. @DaveE

    You have a right to agree or disagree or contest.
    You have no right to send anybody anywhere unless you are an editor.

  77. Tom Cotton is not to be trusted.

    Many gave US Senator Tom Cotton credit for his offering a bill that would cut legal immigration in half and would significantly reduce illegal immigration. It is now clear that the immigration reduction ploy proffered by Tom Cotton was a sneaky way to mollify the White Core American voter base of President Trump.

    Tom Cotton is a stooge for Sheldon Adelson and the Neo-Conservatives. The Neo-Conservatives know they are highly vulnerable on the immigration issue and the national question. That is why they sent their puppet Tom Cotton out with instructions to bang the pot on reducing immigration.

    Recently, the Neo-Conservative-controlled, Murdoch-owned Wall Street Journal gave Tom Cotton a half page, above the fold puff piece where Tom Cotton is said to be offering a foreign policy fit for “Jacksonian America.” I think Tom Cotton must be referring to Michael Jackson or some other Jackson, and not General Andrew Jackson. Having some small portion of Scotch-Irish ancestry myself, and having ancestors who pioneered Tennessee, I don’t think General Andrew Jackson would support the Israel First foreign policy of Tom Cotton.

    IMMIGRATION and the NATIONAL QUESTION are the two things that will finally dislodge the nation-wrecking Neo-Conservatives and their politician puppets from the ruling class of the American Empire.

  78. Z-man says:
    @Greg Bacon

    Yet if you point out the obvious, that our foreign policy has been hijacked by an element whose first loyalty is to Israel, you will catch all sorts of hell, be banned from making comments on blogs and news sites, or like the brave Mr. Giraldi, lose your job. And be blasted with the worn-out canard of being an anti-Semite. Maybe even a Jew hater, all because you show concern for the nation you love and are loyal to.

    If you remember what happened to Rick Sanchez, the former talking head of NBC and CNN…when he was pushed into calling out the Jew in a ‘gotcha’ interview as he sarcastically replied that yeah Jews are underrepresented in the media. He was gone in ’60 seconds’!
    Whatever happened to Rick Sanchez??? LOL!!!

  79. Veranon says:

    Re: At the time, I agreed, but I did note that the neoconservatives have proven to be remarkable resilient, particularly as many of them have remained true to their Democratic Party values on nearly everything but foreign policy, where they are irredeemable hawks, hostile to Russia and Iran and always reliably in the corner of Israel.
    ————-
    Of course. The Jewish Neocons and their “useful idiots,” whether “bought and paid for” or voluntarily enlisted, are necessarily “liberal” in relation to domestic policy because the idea is to destroy all Western and Christian norms and values by means of cultural marxist “critical theory.” And it’s working very well. The mass media and the educational system have hopelessly corrupted American and European minds with this profoundly subversive “intellectual” garbage.

    And when it comes to foreign policy, of course the Neocons are globalists, like the international bankers whom they serve. Israel first, because they are not there to defend their country’s interests, but to defend Israel’s, in accordance with the permanent goal of Eretz Ysrael and world hegemony in accordance with the ultimate goal of Jewish supremacy via the money power, and in preparation for their “messiah”. It’s all disguised as for the sake of American greatness and “our values.” The Neocons are nothing less than a parasitical foreign body which has us thinking in accordance with its interests; in fact they are mortal enemies, nothing less. The Western goyim–as well as innocent Jews here and in Israel itself–will be cheerfully sacrificed by the Zionists, who serve darker forces and interests than those of their people. Western humanity has been rendered helpless because they are intellectually helpless and because in consequence they have been dispossessed of deep faith and corresponding real virtues. This was noted years ago by Solzhenitsyn, among others. Ideas rule human beings for good or ill, since we are thinking beings. But when the ideas that determine us are profoundly wrong and when intellectual chaos and unbridled individualism reign, nothing real can be accomplished. However, in due time vincit omnia veritas–the Real has the last word. “Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.”

  80. renfro says:

    hashtag#Tump is Israel First

  81. peterAUS says:
    @Joe Wong

    Well…how about this:

    If that war can bring a meaningful paid employment to the core Trump’s base, that war will happen within Trump’s term.

    I tried to get some response along that line here, but, nothing of substance so far.

    These articles will keep popping up, so, I’ll keep popping up the question.
    In time…………

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Rurik
  82. skrik says:
    @anarchyst

    located on the “green line” (border) … Problem solved

    With all due respect, nice try but no cigar.

    1) The ‘green line’ is no border. [see '49 armistice to a war caused by invading-by-stealth aliens],

    2) the illegitimate Z-entity can have no borders, and in fact claims none – all the better to keep stealing control over ever more land never to be legally, let alone morally theirs,

    3) then, see anonymous‘ projection above “the only thing that will restrain psychopathic Israel is force,” then chain to the next Anonymous’ “carefully pre-planned and final.” rgds

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  83. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Do the Izzies or USA have capability to electronically disable Iran’s defenses or radars before an attack?

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @FB
  84. edNels says:
    @Mark James

    There’s this one and that one, who were presented to be authentic fresh… not neo’s and so on. But then they were co-opted pretty good, and over ridden, sidelined etc. Including Trump, who’s main feature is Tap DAnce and mime… maybe he could sing too, ”Sore like an Eagle,” and make Ashcrofter roll his eyes!

    So, my question is What’s the difference who is casted in the part, when a chorus line of Rasputin lookalike shapeshifting Pupettmasters is stealing the show from off center stage left…? And why would it behove anybody to change the billing 0f all these venerable stooges that allow that so good?

    Tillerson is a presentable face, (who else come to mind now…?) Pence, mostly a good insurance policy for T. Sessions, plays a damned good mascot. I’ll have to study it more, can’t think of anybody, oh… Haley, (worse than Semantha, not much.)

    Neocons all lined up like evil drones, like worker ants, all suited up tirelessly pestering the nest. And don’t let any crumbs drop where they can find it. That’s it, these are subhumans, Untermensch, maybe the best they can be called is constructive destroyers.

    But seriously, why do they all have that same look, (stick figure, nondescript [Eddie Munster, or Turtle man, excepted] I couldn’t pick Cotton from Scott Walker and a hundred other p-woods out of a lineup. hyahya

  85. North Korea’s survival strategy is “If you invade us, we will blow up South Korea and maybe even Tokyo.” Ruled by a vile regime but with rational concern for survival, even if it has no moral right to survive. But then, what is the other option? South Korea is a puppet state of US globalist empire. If NK was ruled by wiser people, its case would be made more intelligently. It would tell the world community that it needs for defense given US record in the Middle East and North Africa. But it’s ruled by some egotistical brat-boy whose idea of culture is Dennis Rodman and Rap trash-talking.

    As different as NK and Jewish Power, they have one thing in common:
    WGYG or We Go, You Go. The idea is that if they are destroyed, they will take others with them.

    Jewish Power pulled this off in 2008. When Lehman Brothers wasn’t bailed out by the government, Wall Street pushed a ‘too big to fail’ scheme and threatened Total Collapse of the Economy UNLESS it was showered with super-generous bailouts… that would eventually come to enrich the banks during a severe recession for most Americans.
    Bush couldn’t do anything about it except go along. Obama bailed out Wall Street. And McCain would have done the same had he won. Jewish Wall Street power held a gun to the head of the entire US economy and said ‘Give us money, OR we will take ALL OF YOU down with us.’

    The system is rigged so that a major collapse of Jewish Power will trigger total collapse of the entire system. It’s been wired that way. The whole tower will collapse. So, if anyone tries to cut the wire of Jewish Power, kaboom, the whole thing blows up, and everyone dies. Gentiles must carry Jewish Power like a crate of nitroglycerin. One false step and Kaboom.

    Even Israel has a similar mindset. Though Israel’s reasons for nukes involve those hostile Muslim nations, there is also the threat that IF Israel were to fall, it will take down Europe along with it. So, unless Europe does everything possible to prop up Israel, it could very well be blown up when Israel faces doom. In other words, Israel will not go down alone. It will take the world down with it. Even if Europeans are not the ones to destroy Israel, they will be targeted for destruction IF Israel were to face collapse.

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/destroycaps.html

    • Replies: @anon
    , @utu
  86. MarkinLA says:
    @Z-man

    Yes, and add his “Russia interfered in our election” crap while Trump calls it fake news to the disappointment.

  87. JackOH says:

    Phil, thanks.

    “Tom [Cotton] is completely owned by the Israeli lobby.”

    ” . . . [Nikki] Haley is stupid. And ambitious. And is also owned by the Israeli lobby . . .”.

    My knowledge of foreign policy is headline-quality only. My knowledge of some domestic policy is pretty good. I’ve been on the public stump in my area. The reality of American policy, as I’ve seen it, is that it’s bought and paid for. There is no “public interest”, no “national interest”. I’m not even sure there’s an America, in the sense of a people joined by some common values. Sometimes I think of America as an agglomeration of rackets. You’re goddamned right I don’t like thinking this way.

    There are only insider players who bankroll and blackmail their way into getting the decisions they want. I wish I could say something high-minded, but I can’t.

  88. chris says:
    @Mark Green

    Excellent link Mark, thanks!

  89. Zumbuddi says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Trust but verify.

    What’s your source?

    I read somewhere that Hitler’s housekeeper said 88 (that’s for iffen) returned from an activity, bathed, then told her, Now I feel clean.

    Never heard the bit about Rohm as Hitler’s handler. I thought R ran Freikorps, part of whose duty was as Praetotian Guard; that it’s functions became redundant but Rohm wanted more power. Freikorp was less disciplined than other groups, a Machiavellian decision was made, the outfit was eliminated.

    I could be wrong. It happened once before.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
  90. pyrrhus says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Absolutely right. If Trump attacks Iran, he will not be re-elected and will doubtless suffer a demoralizing defeat. We will be lucky if there is a next election, since WW3 would probably preclude such niceties.

  91. Zumbuddi says:
    @DaveE

    Jake’s not trollish, imo, just passionate about the piece of the puzxle that he seems to have researched.

    Everybody’s contribution has value, even some genuine trolls.
    Do you think CIA gets info by hobnobbing with folks in nursing homes?

    • Replies: @Alden
  92. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @Talha
  93. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    India and Pakistan have nukes. How would they respond to an Israeli Sampson Option?

    How about China? An Izzie attack on European capitals could destroy a lot of Chinese investment. China has sufficient nuclear capability to detach Israel from the Mediterranean littoral and create an irradiated submerged island.

    Does van Crevald think Putin will sit on his hands and wait a thousand years for the dust to clear?

    van Crevald says Israel can hit Rome. That’s zionism’s wet dream, to completely obliterate Rome.
    How many Jews live a parasitical life in Rome and other European capitals?

    Can Izzies reach USA? Didn’t think so. What do they think would happen to hundreds of Jewish institutions, and Jewish people, in USA if Israel destroys Europe — again?

  94. Talha says:
    @anonymous

    No problem – though no guarantee how long that will be up on youtube. I am very shocked they are so open about this stuff. Imagine someone from say Morocco, Egypt or Russia saying the same. Incredible!

    Peace.

  95. Wally says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    “Jews” are “White” when they’ve done something bad.

    Yet when they’ve done something good, they’re “Jews” …. and not “Whites”.

    http://www.codoh.com

  96. Issac says:
    @DaveE

    He reads like every “traditionalist” Catholic I’ve ever met.

    • Replies: @Alden
  97. Wally says: • Website
    @anonymous

    said:
    “Exactamundo, Ben Frank (any relation to Anne, Princess of the Ballpoint Pen?).”

    See the FOUR very different handwritings in ‘Anne Frank’s’ fraudulent & laughable diary:

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p-97_Faurisson.html

    [MORE]


    Sample 1: 29 April 1940:
    Anne was almost 11. Source: New York Times, 22 July 1988, p. A1.


    Sample 2: 30 July 1941:
    Anne was a little more than 12. Source: De Dagboeken van Anne Frank, Amsterdam; RIOD, 1986, p. 126.


    Sample 3: 12 June 1942:
    Anne was exactly 13. Source: Journal de Anne Frank, Calmann-Levy, 1950.


    Sample 4: 10 Oct 1942:
    Anne was a little more than 13. Source: Journal de Anne Frank, Livre de Poche, 1975.

    Much more here:

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10854&p=81362&hilit=anne+frank+handwriting#p81362

  98. Wally says:
    @Zumbuddi

    And that’s the only time a government has eliminated threats.

    http://www.codoh.com

  99. FB says:

    People need to let go of the idea that Dump is anything but a conman…and a weak one at that…

    The office of President holds a lot of authority that Dump has not been able [or willing] to wield…that speaks to his own weakness as a leader…

    It’s time to admit that he is not the messiah that many Lunchpail Joes wanted to believe…

    As to the specifics of this article…yes…I agree with Mr. Giraldi that the neocons are back in the driver’s seat…if they ever left in the first place…

    Exhibit One is Jared Kushner…the Clown Prince of the Shite House…

    This is the guy who has inflicted most of the damage on Dump…starting with his advice to dump Flynn…

    Dump was under zero pressure to do any such thing…the neocon Pence is the one who demanded Flynn’s head…

    Dump could have pushed back…there was nothing wrong with Flynn…the incoming National Security Adviser speaking to the Russians or anyone else…and what he spoke of with the Russians was in lobbying THEM in the US interest…not the other way round…

    Dump’s second big mistake was firing Comey…again on the advice of Kushner…

    …which got the Mueller ball rolling…

    Some have rightly drawn the parallels of Kushner whispering in Dump’s ear to the same role of Kissinger vis a vis Nixon’s downfall…

    Then Kushner appeared to connive with his buddy KSA Clown Prince MBS to engineer the Hariri fiasco…[which Tillerson managed to ">deftly undo...]

    ‘…Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who was accompanying the president during his Asia tour at the time of the Saudi-engineered initiative, was “completely blindsided” by the move, as several senior Middle East diplomats confirmed to TAC.

    While Tillerson would later be accused of being “totally disengaged” from the crisis, several former and current U.S. diplomats have told us that just precisely the opposite was the case…’

    ‘…The unlikely hero in all of this might well be Rex Tillerson, who quietly engineered a U.S. policy at odds with the views of Donald Trump—and his son-in-law. The exact details of how Tillerson pulled this off remain unknown (“I think Tillerson just told Trump what he was going to do,” the senior diplomat with whom we spoke speculates, “and then just did it.”)…’

    So that’s the backstory right there about why the neocons are agitating for Tillerson’s ouster…

    I have to strongly disagree with Mr. Giraldi’s characterization of Tillerson as…

    ‘…a somewhat bumbling businessman adept at dealing in energy futures contracts who has been struggling with reducing State’s enormously bloated payroll…’

    That is a useless statement on many levels…Tillerson deftly managed what is arguably America’s most important corporation in what is surely the most strategic and geopolitical global industry…energy…

    The global oil trade is 14 trillion dollars even at today’s prices…and the petrodollar is the underpinning of the entire US system…a free ride for printing free money because every nation has to buy US dollars to buy or sell oil…

    In 1971…

    ‘…I was informed at a White House meeting that U.S. diplomats had let Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries know that they could charge as much as they wanted for their oil, but that the United States would treat it as an act of war not to keep their oil proceeds in U.S. dollar assets…’

    Writes economist Michael Hudson” from personal recollection of the many meetings he had at the WH…

    This whole saga surrounding Dump’s readiness to tie the can to Tillerson is proof positive…if any more were needed…that conman Dump has been a fake from the beginning…

    If the neocons are ascendant and back in the driver’s seat…it is no one’s fault but the Dumpster…

    He has cast his lot with Kushner who appears to be the neocons’ Trojan Horse…

    There can be no more sympathy or understanding anymore for Dump…

    If we recall his campaign rhetoric of ‘draining the swamp’ and rebuilding America’s failing infrastructure…improving relations with Russia…all good things…

    …we must also recall that he has been vehemently anti-Iran from the get-go…

    One has to ask why…?

    Iran is a completely Israeli-owned issue…Iran has nothing to do with the interests of the US…other than to benefit leading US industries like aircraft manufacturing…which were immediately rewarded with a $100 billion order of Boeing aircraft…in the aftermath of the Obama nuclear deal…

    That vehement anti-Iran attitude even on the campaign trail should have been a red flag to everyone…

    Even Hellary would have been better in that regard…and as for the Russia ‘issue’…what could Hellary or the US to do Russia anyway…?

    Militarily nothing…even in Syria the US military would certainly not go for an open war against Russia…neither would the regional players hosting US bases which would need to be on board for such an adventure…

    same goes for the breakaway region of eastern Ukraine…

    Germany and France are anyway moving closer to Russia, which has de facto established itself as an energy distribution superpower for the continent…and for China…

    The big picture is that the petrodollar and the free ride for US prosperity is living on borrowed time…China is the world’s biggest energy importer and is not going to support the petrodollar forever…

    Already an alternative financial architecture is being built and the BRICS countries now outpace the combined GDP of the G7…so the writing is on the wall…

    Dump has shown himself to be a conman first…and an incredibly weak president…he deserves no sympathy or support…

    The neocons are of course insane…they are picking fights with Iran, Venezuela and others who are going to be the first to ditch the petrodollar…and accelerate the tipping point to the new global financial order that is going to impoverish the US overnight…

    the same neocons are also the ones who are undermining US demographics…because their Ponzi scheme economy is based on perpetual growth…which, in turn, requires perpetual population growth…which means more immigration…

    Also the immigration keeps the wages low…which is just extra gravy for the Plutocracy…

    The US will be a white-minority country by 2050…much of the Southwest already is…

    None of that is going to change…when the party is over and the Titanic sinks…the handful of necons and Plutocrats will have their lifeboats ready…

    • Replies: @FB
    , @chris
    , @Z-man
  100. FB says:
    @FB

    Sorry…my link to the Kushner role in the Hariri circus…and Tillerson’s save…did not come through…here it is

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/kushner-kept-tillerson-in-the-dark-on-saudi-lebanon-move/

    • Replies: @Miro23
  101. chris says:
    @peterAUS

    I agree with your point, Peter.

    I’ve argued the same thing myself, Trump, as per his MO will do a half-assed bombing of the already cemented nuclear reactors and call it a victory, satisfying no one but himself.

    Anything more than that runs the risk of turning really bloody, and after more than a decade of constant warfare without a single tangible victory, neither he nor anyone else, I think, can pull the necessary popular support to see the thing (criminal war) through. To say nothing of the risk of loosing an aircraft carrier or to trigger the meltdown of the world economy, in which case, the rug would be pulled from not just his feet but through him, from those of the empire itself.

    I also agree that underneath all that propaganda, there’s been an ever growing up-swell of resistance to the warfare state, as demonstrated by the fact that the last 3 presidents ran as peace candidates always beating the warfare candidate (OK, maybe Gore can possibly be excepted as being a warfare candidate)!

    Never mind that none of the winners turned out to be very peaceful but they all ran on that issue, including W. who was claiming to have no intention of undertaking nation-building. The success of the Trump election victory is, in (not just) my opinion, in no small measure due to his anti-war rhetoric which is definitely beginning to resonate in the heartland – one can only hope!

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  102. @Astuteobservor II

    Well, you and I are not evil f—- in that important respect. But we’ll certainly be the ones suffering from the blowback, whether in the form of terrorist revenge here by imported Muslims or actual missiles from Iran, Russia, or China. God help us.

    Do the neocons think that their money or influence will protect them and their families from nuclear fallout? Or from the mass disorder and violence that could follow after some country gets tired of our aggression and hits us with an electromagnetic pulse?

  103. @Anonymous

    I’m sure he already owns a property or two in Fort Lauderdale.

  104. @Mark Green

    Speaking of Russia, how about everyone on here ditch the google and msn and yahoo accounts and sign up with Yandex email instead. Similarly, ditch the Deep State search engines and use yandex for that too.

    And vacation in Russia if you can afford it. We’re going to. Hey, we’re already on the NSA watch list just for posting on this site, what the heck.

    Of course, it would be JUST a little bit uncomfortable to get stuck in Russia if the US gov happens to launch an attack on Iran — and, God forbid, on Russian forces in Syria — while you’re there seeing the sights!

  105. @Z-man

    I am afraid that Rand may be a case of the apple falling too far from the tree. We’ll see.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  106. peterAUS says:
    @chris

    Well….I guess we are sort of with a similar view here.

    I’ll reiterate mine:
    If…..if…..the Deep State has a projection (they believe in) that the war with Iran would deliver to the core Trump base what they want (meaningful employment) they’ll go for it.
    All the rest in USA wouldn’t object to that war, or at least not in a meaningful way.

    In essence create meaningful jobs in manufacturing, infrastructure etc. What the Trump base wants.

    Say, they are able to sell “the effort will create jobs and fix infrastructure” to that part of US electorate.
    Of course they won’t call it war, but that’s besides the point.

    But, they (powers that be) have to believe in that.
    That’s the area I don’t understand much so I’ll keep out of it.
    At the same time I’d like to see some numbers, projections and such instead of “that’s WRONG” and similar feel-good bullshit.

    Randal, several times on this site, explained quite well how a proper pretext for war can be manufactured and used.

    On a pure “technical” level, again, it boils down to keeping Hormuz open while hammering Iran from air/sea. Etc.
    A couple of scenarios there and they do include the rest of the world (not important) and Russia and China (important).

    The REAL problem, actually, isn’t feasibility of that effort I am afraid. Other motives/”reasons” are here, not just economic/geopolitical calculations etc. I mean, not much reasoning.
    The really dangerous area is ideology, religion, even psychology of all players here. Including US public (American exceptionalism etc.).

    So…interesting times.

    • Replies: @L.K
  107. chris says:
    @FB

    Very good points !

    I agree with everything except that there would have been no difference if Hillary had won. No one should underestimate the damage Victoria Nuland and other embedded nutcases would have been capable of unleashing against Russia from the War Department. Ok maybe there’s a small improvement that their acolytes are now doing it from the CIA, which is lifting a very important curtain on the workings of the deep state.

    However, the current utter disarray in US society would not have occurred so dramatically and clearly, had Hillary won, even with her incredible knack for slipping on her own droppings.

    Not to say that I’m in favor of this disarray, but only in the exposure of its perpetrators.

    • Agree: Grandpa Charlie
  108. P.G.’s “Bad Moon Rising” and Clear Water Credence does 1918 all over again.

  109. “Multiple sources are predicting Tillerson out and Mike Pompeo in State Department with Pompeo replaced at CIA by Senator Tom Cotton. The White House is the story, calling it “fake news,” but it is clear that Trump is uncomfortable with the current arrangement and Tillerson will be gone sooner or later.” — Giraldi

    My assumption has been that Tillerson’s role has been to assure maximum political-financial pressure on NordStream pipeline, and, to line up the ducks for the Great Showdown with Iran . I believe that Nordstream is still operating and there doesn’t seem to be any likelihood of it being shut down, and no plan in place to replace Russian with North American energy (natural gas) as foundation of German economy. Remember, just a year or two back, such talk was huge … it was the very heart of the Neocons’ new Cold War on Russia …. but now that narrative has collapsed.

    I suspect that ZOG neocons have found that it’s impossible — even with their alliance with MBS of Arabia — to control ‘Big Oil, or even to control Tillerson or even to threaten/assassinate him. So, I suspect that Secretary Tillerson has refused to acquiesce in planned full-spectrum war on Iran. His allies in Big Oil are asking him, what about these huge contracts to supply the energy for Germany from North America? He doesn’t like Iran, and he mistrusts Russia and Germany … but then he thinks about the Straights of Hormuz and all that uncertainty, huge uncertainty …so, “Rex, are you with us or against us?”… and it’s not his kind of game.

    But what do I know? I just think that there are limits to everything, including Zionist power. So the Zionists control the petrodollar (or do they?) but do they control the global petro-system? Of course, all this hardly means that Tillerson will (or could) mount effective opposition to war with Iran … he will just want to have insider information on it so as to protect himself and his (WASPish?) allies. Could the Ziocons be overplaying their hand?

    • Replies: @FB
  110. @utu

    Very good, utu! I thought I was the only person around any more who remembered the original 1953 film. The remake (1977), Sorcerer, is also excellent, but the timing of the explosion sequence is really perfect in the old b+w Wages of Fear.

  111. Z-man says:
    @FB

    Your total hatred for Trump is disturbing. He’s still better than Satan i.e., SHillary. But he needs to jettison, as you said and I alter for comedic effect, ‘The Kikan Horse’, the weird son in law and his Christ denying daughter. He needs to purge more Neocons and also established Republitards who are screwing the ‘Tax Bill’ by making it a typical GOP tax break for the rich crap. Will he do it? Give him another year…ok 10 months. (Grin)

    • Replies: @FB
  112. FB says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    ‘…I suspect that Secretary Tillerson has refused to acquiesce in planned full-spectrum war on Iran…’

    Agree…

    I think it’s a mistake to underestimate Rexxon Man…and I include in that these noises about his imminent ouster…let’s wait and see…

    Through my lens, Rex is the only grownup in the room…and he’s got to have some backing from the powers that be…

    Hell it can’t be that everyone has lost their minds…even among the plutocracy and back-room power brokers there’s got to be some serious people…Putin can’t be the only sane man on Earth…I suspect the military shot-callers are in his corner too…

    Just now he has come out swinging on the NK issue…calling for ‘direct talks anytime…’

    https://www.rt.com/usa/412915-tillerson-north-korea-preconditions/

    Thank you…a simple admission of facts vs Dumpian fantasy…

    As for his mistrust of Russia and Germany…I wouldn’t be too sure of that either…Rex knows it’s not important what you say but what you do…and I think the ‘serious men’…if such actually exist and are trying to regain control of the ship…are well aware that a zero-sum game only works some of the time…

    I think back on his confirmation hearings where he managed to set the monkey gallery to cooing with his very earnest-sounding words about Russia being ‘threat number one…’

    I was thinking…’good one Rex’…tossing some red meat to the mouth-foamers is always the rational thing to do…

    We should remember that Tillerson is an engineer by profession…not some lib arts or poli-sci goofball who never had the mental fortitude to actually tackle tough subjects like math…

    He’s already head and shoulders above the rest of the morons…and I think he knows just how to ‘engineer’ outcomes involving lesser men who stand in the way…

  113. L.K says:
    @peterAUS

    Peter “I love War(from a distance)” Aus keeps pushing his BS;

    If…..if…..the Deep State has a projection (they believe in) that the war with Iran would deliver to the core Trump base what they want (meaningful employment) they’ll go for it.
    All the rest in USA wouldn’t object to that war, or at least not in a meaningful way.

    In essence create meaningful jobs in manufacturing, infrastructure etc. What the Trump base wants.

    Economists DESTROY the Myth that War Is Good for the Economy
    Posted on June 11, 2016 by WashingtonsBlog
    Debunking the Stubborn Myth that War Is Good for the Economy

    Nobel-prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz agrees that war is bad for the economy:

    Stiglitz wrote in 2003:

    War is widely thought to be linked to economic good times. The second world war is often said to have brought the world out of depression, and war has since enhanced its reputation as a spur to economic growth. Some even suggest that capitalism needs wars, that without them, recession would always lurk on the horizon. Today, we know that this is nonsense. The 1990s boom showed that peace is economically far better than war. The Gulf war of 1991 demonstrated that wars can actually be bad for an economy.

    Stiglitz has also said that this decade’s Iraq war has been very bad for the economy.[...]

    Economist Robert Higgs makes the same point about World War II:

    Yes, officially measured GDP soared during the war. Examination of that increased output shows, however, that it consisted entirely of military goods and services. Real civilian consumption and private investment both fell after 1941, and they did not recover fully until 1946. The privately owned capital stock actually shrank during the war. Some prosperity.[...]

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/06/top-experts-war-bad-economy.html

    http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=442

    https://www.amazon.com/Depression-War-Cold-Challenging-Independent/dp/1598130293/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1508439496&sr=8-3&keywords=Robert+Higgs

    • Agree: chris
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  114. FB says:
    @Z-man

    Hold on a minute there pardner…hating is one thing…withholding unearned respect quite another…

    But ok…let’s wait and see if Dump cuts loose the ‘Kissinger protege’…are you giving any odds…?

    • Replies: @Z-man
  115. Joe Sixpack can be forgiven perhaps, but did anyone who regularly reads this site seriously believe the mere results of an election would unseat the deep state, or the establishment, or ZOG, or whatever you call it, from power?

    Trump was a symbol. He needed to win so Joe Sixpack could see that he does in fact have interests, and a voice, and raising it can have an effect.

    Now he needs to learn that there’s no way that he, a member of the most maligned race in a racial spoils system, declining more every day in percentage of the total population, is ever going to secure the future he wants for his children through the ballot box.

    • Agree: Alden
  116. Alden says:
    @Issac

    Jake seems to be stuck with the conflict that started 500 years ago. But when he writes wasp he really means 400 year old puritanism. I also think he’s talking about how the Scots and Irish Catholics were treated by the English, not American wasps.

    I don’t like there term wasp. It’s actually a pejorative invented by jews in the 1940′s or so. Everybody else had a nasty name, dago, polack, kraut square head, dirty mick, paddy, hillbilly, White trash, linthead.* But there wasn’t a nasty name for middle and upper class British descended protestants.

    So the Jews made up the name wasp. Wasps (the insects) are nasty things and the jews wanted to make the founders and the people who started the Ivy League colleges sound mean and dangerous.

    *Linthead is a term for a person who works in a textile mill and has fabric fluff all over him or her.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @Issac
  117. Z-man says:
    @FB

    But ok…let’s wait and see if Dump cuts loose the ‘Kissinger protege’…are you giving any odds…?

    I’m not a betting man or else I would have bought Bitcoin 3&1/2 years ago! (Crying)

  118. Alden says:
    @Zumbuddi

    Jake’s definitely right about Oliver Cromwell though. And the ousting of James 2 by William and Mary was connived by the Amsterdam bankers who set up the not English Bank of Britain a year after the Amsterdam bankers installed William and Mary.

    The Church of England was very traditional and kept the christian part of the bible and many traditional christian practices such as acknowledging Mary the Mother of God, Christmas, Easter, Whitsun, Michelmas and numerous other traditional holy days.

    But the puritans were definitely wanna be Jews. They hated Mary because she was a woman. They dumped the christian part of the bible in favor of the jewish part of the bible with all its sex, war, genocide and violence. They banned the christian holy days. They even discussed banning rabbits, pork, oysters, clams and other trief foods. But since the poor and average people ate rabbits, pork oysters and clams because they were cheap, they didn’t go so far.

    And Calvin and Knox loudly proclaimed, “there is but one God and that is the God of Israel” The puritans denied Jesus is God and claiming that Jesus is God is the essence of Christianity.

    But it was 500 to 400 years ago.

    • Replies: @Darin
  119. @L.K

    great comment & links. thx.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @peterAUS
  120. Darin says:
    @Alden

    Puritan obssesion with sex is still there, only turned upside down. Sex is now seen as sacred obligation and moral duty, people who do not have sex are the ultimate sinners of this age. Even more absurd as the original version.

    • Replies: @Alden
  121. Skeptikal says:
    @Zumbuddi

    “Jews got Jews Who had been highly educated at Russian expense – ” out of Russian and into Israel.

    Yes, and guess who paid for them to be resettled in Israel.
    Hint: Not Russia. Not Israel.

  122. @anon

    I do not think so. It is difficult or impossible to find frequencies on which the guiding commands are sent.

  123. Alden says:
    @Darin

    The puritans were not against sex. It’s just that In my amateur opinion, they loved the jewish part of the bible because there was so much sex in in it. It was like the only porn in print in 1550 and for years after wards.

    Other than Mary and John the Baptist’s mother getting pregnant, there is no sex in the christian part of the bible. But the OT is full of it. I got turned off the OT in sunday school with the stories of Hagar and Ishmael and the book of Dinah.

  124. @anonymous

    I will list the books in progress:

    Africa: Meredith

    Color or Law: Richard Rothstein

    You Have the Right to Remain Innocent: Duane

    My Side of the Street: Trennert

    FlashBoys: Lewis

    Waiting in the wings

    Brilliant Solution: Berkin — also on disk

    Washington Rules: Bacevic

    Sometimes a read a book in two days, sometimes a week, sometimes a month or several . . .

    Ulyssus S Grant: White on disk

    None of which has much bearing on this discussion. I used to read five books a week — another inconsequential tidbit

    I reread Brave New World and Stranger in a Strangeland

    i intend to include the Queens of Great Britain someday

    Sometimes I will a test straight through with hardly a break — eating as I read –

    Sometimes, I barely get through ten pages when I have to set it aside and consider the contents . . .

    Hardly matters in the scheme of life. I don’t read as much as I should. In fact, it’s embarrassing to see the tests of shelves I have only but read the inside cover. I have stacks of journals I haven’t cracked but a couple of academic articles. I can’t even blame my accident five months ago – despite the brain injury — I admit it –

    I could read far more than I do and should.

    And goodness me oh my nothing compares to the value of scripture and a practice in deep neglect — said with no small amount of embarassment

    The prophet says: For more the knowledge — all the more the grief (paraphrased)

  125. peterAUS says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Perhaps these links could help too.

    Took me around 5 minutes to find them. I am sure that with more time spent I’d find dozens more.
    Experts…………..yeah………

    If/when you/anyone have time:

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-s-lofgren/is-war-good-for-the-econo_1_b_3185569.html

    So did the dozen years of war, with all the deaths, destruction, and expense they entailed, have the perverse silver lining of being good for the economy? Most mainstream economists — who, like cynics, know the price of everything and the value of nothing — would answer in the affirmative.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/14/upshot/the-lack-of-major-wars-may-be-hurting-economic-growth.html

    the Keynesian argument that preparing for war lifts government spending and puts people to work.

    https://realmoney.thestreet.com/articles/11/20/2015/it-or-not-spending-war-good-economy

    Do not brand me a cynic, but that war spending has been a major contributor to the relative strength of the U.S. economy.

    and

    Please, do not brand me a warmonger or depraved; I am totally against this kind of spending. I am just telling you what it is.

    Anyone here who could write, by his/her own something of a substance?
    Related to manufacturing/infrastructure in USA with the war with Iran?

    Or we can keep posting/quoting ….ahm….experts….who support one/another side of that coin?

  126. @Zumbuddi

    I do not have a time for you to explain things about you do not have a clue.
    Although there is one line in your comment that is true.
    Quick timeline.
    German army returned from front.
    They smashed the communist revolution and eliminated communist government.
    High command of the army decided that actions of myriad of different parties must be monitored.
    Rohm (Actully the name is R then o with two points on top and m) sent Hitler (actually his name was at that time still Hidlerchuk) to check out a small party of name National Socialist German worker party.
    Hitler did sign in as 47th member.
    Through oratory skills Hitler become more and more famous spoke to larger and larger crowd.
    And so he was attacked. His follower created armed guards and Hitler named the commander of this guards Rohm.
    Long time after Hitler become Chancellor of Germany.
    Army’s general staff demanded that Rohm and his army of SA was dissolved.
    Rohm refused.
    The next followed what I have written.

    This is very simplified writing but I could not do otherwise.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Zumbuddi
  127. FB says:
    @anon

    ‘…Do the Izzies or USA have capability to electronically disable Iran’s defenses or radars before an attack?…’

    In a word…not very likely…

    Disrupting modern air defenses means jamming the air defense radars…and then knocking them out with missiles that target radio emitters [radars]…this is a losing proposition due to the reasons of physics…

    Ie…suppression of enemy air defense [SEAD] is aviation-based…that is to say aircraft attacking air defense systems carry specialized jamming pods which use radar transmitters to attempt to disrupt the much larger and more powerful ground radars…

    If they are able to jam those radars then fighter aircraft can get close enough [without being shot down first by the longer range air defense missiles] to shoot special missiles at the air defense radars…these are called HARMs…ie high-speed anti-radiation missiles…

    The problem is that US technology in this area has not changed in decades…the AN/ALQ-99 jamming pod is carried by Navy and Marine Corps Grumman EA6B ‘Prowler’ aircraft…as well as Navy EA18G ‘Growler’ which are electronic attack version of the FA18…

    That’s a picture of one under the wing of the EA6B…another one is carried under the other wing…the EA18B only carries one centerline-mounted pod…

    That little propeller on the front of the pod is a ‘ram air turbine’ which supplies electrical power to small radar antennas inside the pod…which send the jamming signals…

    This cutaway illustration shows the small antennas inside…they are about 8 inch diameter…

    The power of any radar is the product of its electrical power and its aperture size [ie antenna dish size or electronic array size if a phased array system]…

    The maximum power of the AN/ALQ99 is only 6.8 kilowatts…the antennas as mentioned are tiny…so the total power is not very big…

    This stuff was designed to work against pretty primitive radar technology from the 1950s…

    Against modern phased array radars…think of an Aegis SPY1 radar on the US guided missile cruisers and destroyers…these are like little bugs…they can’t do anything…

    Russian air defense radars that come with S300/400 systems use radars of the Aegis class mounted on big trucks…they have their own big diesel engine generators that can put out hundreds of kilowatts…here is a size comparison of the Russian 64N6E phased array antenna and an Aegis Spy 1…

    The truck-mounted 64N6E which comes with the S300 air defense system is actually bigger by 30 percent…

    ‘…This system operates in the 2 GHz band and is a phased array with a 30% larger aperture than the US Navy SPY-1 Aegis radar, even accounting for its slightly larger wavelength it amounts to a mobile land based Aegis class package. It has no direct equivalent in the West…

    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Acquisition-GCI.html#mozTocId420074

    Those little jamming pods clearly have no chance against something like this…not only that but those modern air defense radars being phased array means the antenna is electronically steered…not physically like on a conventional radar antenna…

    Phased array also means they can incorporate robust counter-electronic countermeasure [CECM]…such as rapid frequency hopping and other tricks which prevent jammers from locking onto their radar frequency at any given moment…they are even designed to home in on airborne jammers like the AN/ALQ99…making them the target…

    The Harm missiles…AGM88… carried by various fighter types such as F15, F16, FA18 etc…have a maximum range of only about 90 miles…and that’s if launched at high speed and altitude…typically a Harm aircraft will come in low [to avoid the enemy radar] and slow [fighters cannot fly very fast down low due to the thick air] so its range might be as little as 10 to 20 miles…

    Meanwhile…the opposing air defense systems have missiles with a range of up to 250 miles for the S400…

    Again it is a mismatch…the simple reason being that an aircraft cannot carry huge equipment…because it must fly…

    Big trucks carrying missiles and radars have no such limitations…

    The Iranians have apparently several S300 battalions…each battalion consisting of eight launchers [TELARS for transporter erector launcher]…plus five or six truck-mounted radars…

    Being mobile their location is not known by attacking forces in advance…and they can ‘shoot and scoot’ in five minutes flat…

    The Russians aren’t dumb…the US has been beating up on countries with little to no air defenses [or aging and badly run equipment as in the first Iraq war...]…and they have come up with a very effective way to counter an attack by aviation…

    Thus the buzzword anti-access / area denial [A2/AD]…

    This inability to penetrate these denial zones is widely acknowledged in Nato technical/military circles…recently it is becoming public knowledge as well…

    USAF Gen. Phillip Breedlove [former Eurocom commander] recently acknowledged this…

    ‘…Right now, we’re almost completely dependent on air forces and aviation assets in order to attack the A2/AD problem…

    …We need more long-range, survivable, precision strike capability from the ground…We need dense capability—like the dense A2/AD networks that we face…

    The US has not developed A2/AD capability of its own…assuming I guess that they are always going to be on the offensive and never on defense…

    ‘…Do we create our own anti-access/area-denial capability?…That is a big decision…’

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-one-way-russia-could-beat-nato-war-23169

    Certainly Iran is not going to be a pushover if attacked from the air…its going to inflict a lot of losses…the loss of US prestige from having a dozen aircraft shot down would be very damaging…

    • Replies: @anon
  128. Mark Dubowitz.

    Canadian? or (((Canadian)))?

  129. Miro23 says:
    @anonymous

    This projects that the only thing that will restrain psychopathic Israel is force.

    It was always this way.

    It’s not a question of morality or justice, it’s wholly a question of power. Pro Israel US Jews own the US media, education, government and the financial system and they use this power for Israel First, with the US fighting $ Trillion wars for Israel and transferring everything of economic or military value.

    In other words Israel is running the American Empire in traditional colonial style, with earlier colonial Empires having worked the same way:

    The Indian Empire was run by a British colonial elite, who lived apart from the natives, formed a close social network emphasizing British traditions, did not intermarry with natives, and frequently emphasized the racial superiority of the “Englishman” to justify their rule (dictatorship). They recognized that they were few in number, and developed a cadre of native collaborators who were inducted into the British Way with local leaders almost having the status of Englishmen (Indian princes and princesses such as John McCain and Hillary Clinton), and with a British commanded native military.

    The British Indian Empire was eventually brought down by Indian nationalism – hence the intense Jewish concern with stamping out everything to do with American nationalism.

  130. Issac says:
    @Alden

    To be perfectly honest I’ve never met such a Catholic who could recite line and verse of their victimization by the hated Protestant governments of one state or another. The wellspring of their ire, in every case I have encountered, is their fervent belief in the one true faith and their desire to see the Church dominate again.

  131. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    It is satisfying to see how the pagan polytheist West’s hatred of True Monotheism (the faith of Christ himself) and its adherents, is rotting its very soul.

    Perhaps this is what it means by “He works in mysterious ways”?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  132. Not too far to predict calamitous civilisation. Let the nocons do they want. Let us be blind-deaf men.

  133. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bayan

    In any case Iran is stupid to get itself involved in the civil war of many of its neighbors.

    And let former allies turn hostile neighbours… I wonder who is more stupid, the Iranians or You?

  134. ctail says:
    @peterAUS

    US citizens have more glands than neurons. The scenario is: that USA attacks; then Iran responds—perhaps even taking out an aircraft carrier. Then the USA totally ignores that they attacked first and the only thing they publicize is the horror and tragedy of the US loss—and suddenly in the MSM “USA is merely defending itself”…. It is all standard fare: USA starts @ t=zero when it is convenient for their narrative, For Iran t=0 is the embassy hostage incident.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  135. If you are under control it does not matter how smart you are but after reading Unz(meritocracy) I will like to see Tom scores and tom scores compare to his peers and the peers that never make it to Ivy schools.
    With Pompeo will like to see how smart was the crew arrond him.
    No more Ive school equal very smart.

  136. @peterAUS

    Some of us think that killing other people’s children for fun and profit, and lying to obscure that agenda, do not reflect the highest and best aspects of civilization.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @peterAUS
  137. anarchyst says:
    @skrik

    I agree with you in principle. However, our ZOG-run government would not accede to what is morally right. Placing the embassy straddling on the “green line” would be “like poking the jews in the eye with a sharp stick”…
    Regards,

  138. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    Thanks for the informative answer.
    I have very little knowledge of the technicalities of these systems, but you look like you know your stuff.

    • Replies: @FB
  139. mr meener says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    NK does pose a fake threat to pissrael. remember George “magog” bush including NK in the axis of evil? Israel bombed Syria reactor 10 years ago killing 10 NK scientists.NK on the hit list. EVERYTHING we do in foreign policy is for the benefit of talmudia

  140. @SolontoCroesus

    SolontoCroesus,

    On the topic of killing of children, please look at article linked below which discusses the Corporate Media and it’s casting cold eye at the murder of Palestinian children.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/corporate-palestinian-children/

    Selah, “Bad Moon Rising” and Corporate Media “Moons” Palestinian Offspring.

    Thank you, S2C.

  141. Zumbuddi says:
    @Fran Macadam

    We the People have a responsibility to “storm the bridge” if that’s what it takes.

  142. Zumbuddi says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Thanks for the edumacation, but my question was, What’s your source?

  143. Zumbuddi says:
    @utu

    Ya learn something new everyday.
    Like, Hilderchuk, aka Hitler, became chancellor!
    Of Germany, of all places!

    Who knew?!!

  144. @Astuteobservor II

    ” we are evil fucks.”

    Unless you’re among the evil fucks who are carrying out this agenda, you might want to disassociate yourself from that particular “we”. I don’t view these evil people in government as members of this country. To me, the country is the land and the people. The government is not the country, though they want to represent themselves as such.

    Some people like to blame the people of the US as being culpable because “we voted them in”. I don’t think that’s true of most of the people of the US. Elections are sham shows, conducted with predetermined outcomes, so the votes don’t actually matter. Nobody who participates in the voting has any input whatsoever into what is done by the so-called winners of these elections.

    The “we” that I see myself as a part of had nothing to do with the wars and other atrocious acts of government. I have no input into these decisions for war and have no influence at all on what is being done by the government and I don’t even accept that these atrocities have been committed in my name or for my benefit.

  145. Rurik says:
    @anonymous

    It is satisfying to see how the pagan polytheist West’s hatred of True Monotheism (the faith of Christ himself) and its adherents, is rotting its very soul.

    my mother (a saint) was a devout Christian

    she too often lamented my lack of fealty to the church

    once I took her to a particularly beautiful church she was always fond of, and you could feel her heart just sink when the sermon was all about the evil Muslim king who had slaughtered Jewish babies back in the day, and the requirement that we all steel our resolve against the evil Muslims of today, who are again threatening the holy Jews in the holy land.

    she knew how I felt about bloodthirsty “Christian’ preachers exhorting their flocks to murder, in Christ’s name. It was a crushing moment for her, and one more reason for me to despise the agents of $atan at the pulpit, with the shekels clinking under their frocks as they sanctified mass-murder

    if there are some Christians somewhere who remember the words of the Christ

    “Blessed are the poor in spirit,

    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    Blessed are those who mourn,

    for they will be comforted.

    Blessed are the meek,

    for they will inherit the earth.

    Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,

    for they will be filled.

    Blessed are the merciful,

    for they will be shown mercy.

    Blessed are the pure in heart,

    for they will see God.

    Blessed are the peacemakers,

    for they will be called children of God.

    Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,

    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    then they are my spiritual brothers and sisters, regardless of what organized religion they happen to belong to, or not.

    I would posit to you sir, (or madam) that a true Christian would not feel “satisfaction” at all, at the ‘rotting of a soul’, but rather angst, and heartache

    The Christ was about love, and mercy, and forbearance and kindness and peace

    at least the One my mother taught me about, and such a Christ would always feel an open and infinite love, even for His wayward children.

    I hope you find a way for His message to melt away some of the rancor and hatred in your own heart

    God bless

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  146. FB says:
    @anon

    Glad to help…the pop-sci media makes no effort to explain how technology actually works…especially crucial tech like aviation, missiles etc…

    Thus the public is denied knowledge of things that they need to know…

    As for A2/AD…there is a little more to it than just what I mentioned already…

    Those big, mobile missile launchers and radars are also protected by smaller air defense systems designed to knock down any radar-homing HARM missiles that manage to get through…

    In the case of Russian SAM [surface to air missile] systems…this job is handled by the small and mobile Pantsir-S1…

    Here you can see three Pantsirs on the move…the flat-screen type device on the top is its own phased array radar…

    This is a class of weapon known as point defense systems…warships have similar systems to knock down incoming anti-ship missiles…

    They shoot small missiles as well as large caliber, high rate of fire artillery at incoming missiles…such as Harms…but also are very effective against cruise missiles…such as the US Tomahawk land-attack cruise missile…[TLAM]

    It is important to note however that TLAMs are NOT used against mobile air defense systems…for the simple reason that TLAMs are pre-programmed to hit a stationary target…they lack a homing radar to identify and hit a moving target…[like the Harms have]

    So…all told the mobile ground based air defenses have the advantage because they can carry much bigger and thus more powerful radars and missiles than any combat aircraft could possibly get off the ground…this is the simple physics part…

    We have not yet seen any kind of SEAD operation where modern US and Nato combat jets have tried to take on such a system…and we probably won’t…as Breedlove hinted it would be a game of trying to overwhelm those ground defenses with sheer numbers…

    ‘…We have the tools, but we do not have nearly enough of them—and the speed that we would need to eliminate these A2/AD bubbles—to be able to deploy our forces is going to be controlled by the depth of the bench of how we can attack those A2/AD forces…’

    In other words…trying to take out one of the A2/AD ‘bubbles’ is going to take a lot of aircraft…and a lot of them are going to get shot down…it becomes a numbers game…if you can throw several hundred aircraft at one denial zone…you might actually succeed in disabling it…but the cost will be very high…

    …perhaps crippling…

    That’s why Breedlove is suggesting Ground-Based means of tackling these A2/AD zones…ie ground launched missiles that have the standoff range [ie their launchers can be placed outside the range of the enemy SAMs]…AND the ability to home in and hit those air defense radars…

    But that’s a tall order…first you have to know where those truck-mounted and highly mobile radars and launchers are hiding…

    Many people have the idea that satellites can read a license plate…but that’s on tv…not in real life…

    A satellite image resolution of 16 inches means that one single pixel on your screen contains an area of 16 x 16 inches…[btw a resolution of 16 inches is VERY high]…

    If you have a standard HD screen of 1950 x 1080…that’s a total of just over 2 million pixels on that screen in front of you…and each one of those represents 16 x 16 inches…

    I give a more detailed explanation of how satellite resolution works here…

    There is another problem with spy satellites that people do not realize…you can’t just fly them wherever you want and have them stay there looking down…

    Satellites that can spy on the earth surface have to be in low earth orbit…ie about 100 to 200 miles above the earth…

    In order to stay aloft…they must move around the earth at a speed of about 17,000 mph…[that's the orbital velocity that is required for a satellite at this height to stay in orbit...

    ie at this speed the satellite's centrifugal force is in equilibrium with the earth's gravity force...which means it will keep circling the earth...think of the hammer throw in Olympics...the guy spins a heavy ball on a chain around and around and then lets it go to make it go as far as possible...

    While he is holding on to it...the spinning of that heavy ball creates a centrifugal force that increases with the rotational velocity...ie the faster he can spin...the more centrifugal force trying to pull that ball away...

    The chain is like earth's gravity...holding the ball from flying away...as long as he is holding on...the two forces are in equilibrium...as per Newton's Third Law of action and equal and opposite reaction...

    It's the same with an orbiting satellite...you want it to have just the right speed where its centrifugal force exactly matches the earth gravitational pull...the two forces are the in equilibrium and it then stays in that circling pattern...

    the right speed for this is about 17,000 mph as mentioned...this means that satellite circles the earth every 90 minutes or so...

    So how is it going to see every spot on earth...?

    the answer is that the sat must fly in an orbit that goes from pole to pole...ie a polar orbit...

    This lets the satellite camera takes pictures as the earth spins east to west beneath it...

    It can therefore cover every spot on earth with each complete rotation of the earth...ie every 24 hours...

    So even if you can spot those camouflaged radars and launchers on any particular satellite pass...it will have 24 hours to move somewhere else...it can pack up and move in a few minutes...here's what a camo SAM radar looks like...

    So that's the reality...it's not like on tv or the movies...

    There is more on this subject of air defenses vs air attack...including the issue of 'stealth'...which is not well understood by the public...and does not actually work very well...as the Serbs demonstrated in 1999...shooting down TWO F117 'Nighthawk' 'stealth' aircraft with 1950s era Soviet equipment...

    [the second F117 staggered back to base, but never flew again...so US does not count it...although by the rules of aerial warfare any plane that is written off due to enemy fire is counted as killed...]

  147. Rurik says:
    @peterAUS

    If that war can bring a meaningful paid employment to the core Trump’s base, that war will happen within Trump’s term.

    Trump (and Obama and Dubya and Nixon and JFK and Woodrow and FDR…) were all elected as a repudiation of evil wars for the profit and amusement of evil men.

    I suppose there are some souls so lost that they’d go along with war for reasons of personal gain, but I suspect they’re equally represented in both the party of Tweedle Dee and Dumb, that make of the ZUS political system.

    The American people do not want these wars. That is obvious, and why the (((media))) is so frenzied with Hollywood movies and relentless lies to cajole us all into hating the evil Muslim ‘terrorists’ whose nations and people we’ve been dropping bombs on and destroying like they were some kind of threat to the ZUSA.

    Trump’s base are not blood-thirsty goons and soulless murderers. What they are is lied to, relentlessly, 24/7, 365. And even then the American people rose up against bombing Syria, all the lies notwithstanding, and said NO!

    One of the major reasons the conservative, Christians and Republicans voted for Trump in the primaries, were because the alternatives were all neocon stooges, and that meant more and more wars, and more Gitmo, and more torture and more sniveling, abject fealty to Israel in all things.

    We said No’ to all that. Trump was supposed to be different. America first, (for the first time in my life). Rather than Israel first and second and third…

    Now that Trump is acting all neocon, (in direct opposition to his base!), it simply looks like the deepstate simply is too powerful to ignore.

    I don’t believe that Trump is ideologically committed to Zionism in all things, but that for him to function in Washington, DC, it’s simply necessary to accept the realities.

    ((They)) control our money supply. And that means they control our media, our universities and our courts and have insinuated themselves over our police departments and even, (as I’ve just been pointing out) our churches.

    There are realities on the ground that simply can not be ignored, and that is why Trump is moving the embassy and other abominations to decency.

    But if he appoints Tom Cotton to head the CIA, then that will absolutely be a bridge too far for me.

    That will mean that all bets are off, and that he’s gone full blown neocon.

    Which will mean that he has decided to tell his base to ‘fuck off, eat shit and die’, and now it’s Trump vs. the people who put him in office. IMHO

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Joe Levantine
  148. L.K says:

    In his book “Understanding Jewish Influence – A Study in Ethnic Activism”, Prof. MacDonald writes in Chapter 3, which addresses Neoconservatism;

    Are neoconservatives different from other conservatives? Is neoconservatism a Jewish movement?…
    The thesis presented here is that neoconservatism is indeed a Jewish intellectual and political movement. [...]

    They have aggressively pursued their goals, not only in purging more traditional conservatives from their positions of power and influence, but also in reorienting US foreign policy in the direction of hegemony and empire.
    Neoconservatism also illustrates the central theme of the second article in this series: In alliance with virtually the entire organized American Jewish community, neoconservatism is a vanguard Jewish movement with close ties to the most extreme nationalistic, aggressive, racialist and religiously fanatic elements within Israel.2 …

    Neoconservatism is better described in general as a complex interlocking professional and family network centered around Jewish publicists and organizers flexibly deployed to recruit the sympathies of both Jews and non-Jews in harnessing the wealth and power of the United States in the service of Israel. As such, neoconservatism should be considered a semicovert branch of the massive and highly effective pro-Israel lobby, which includes organizations like the America Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)—the most powerful lobbying group in Washington—and the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA). Indeed, as discussed below, prominent neoconservatives have been associated with such overtly pro-Israel organizations as the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), and ZOA. [...]

  149. Vidi says:
    @JustJeff

    Well the Jews have won, hands down. Time to find some new websites to read cause this is just getting depressing.

    No, the Jews haven’t won. In fact, they are losing. The proof is that Trump is president, not Hillary — in spite of nearly nonstop assault on Trump before Nov 2016 by the mainstream media. It’s clear that roughly half of the American people are unconvinced, to put it mildly, by the mainstream propaganda; this percentage can only increase, as their lies become more desperate and blatant.

    Of course, since the inauguration they seem to have taken over what passes for Trump’s brain. But this too will pass. The neocon peak was the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan; since then, their ability to start another war for Israel’s benefit has sharply declined. They are now reduced to using indirect methods (i.e. Jerusalem) to sucker the U.S. into another war. They can’t do it directly any more. As I said, they are losing: their influence is waning fast.

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  150. Rurik says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    as Jacque Sheete once observed..

    coming from you sir, that is high praise

    humbly… I say

    Peace and God bless

    • Replies: @FB
  151. @Twodees Partain

    Rep. Scott Taylor, Repub. from Virginia’s Eastern Shore, was on C Span this morning.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?438496-6/washington-journal-rep-scott-taylor-r-va-discusses-alabama-senate-race

    Callers held his feet to the fire on a number of issues, but not the one that he opened his prepared commentary with:

    Taylor said the House was working on an amendment (or some other quasi-legislative process) to separate defense funding from the two-week extensions on Spending Bill. He argued that it’s essential that DoD have a known and secure stream of funding because “our troops are active in several theaters, and are in harms way.”

    That’s appalling.

    It directly undermines the most essential aspect of representative government, whether the USA should or should not wage war is a serious matter to be decided by the People via their representatives.

    Fiat money erased the constraint on war-making imposed by lack of funds; put it on the tab, pay it mañana.

    The fiction of “AUMF” granting the right for USA to wage war willy-nilly destroyed that check that the People had over war by erasing the necessity of declaring war.

    The last remaining check on US ability to wage war was congress’s act to withhold funds to fight that war. Congress has, or plans to, abrogate that capability as well.

    Maybe Fran Macadam is right: We the People are powerless, just along for the ride — and as collateral to the fiat money scam.


    PS Eleanor Holmes Norton also appeared on C Span this morning to advocate for all those wimmen who have been sexually harassed. It’s as plain as the nose on your face that the masters of identity politics are creating yet another victim group: $MeToo.
    Ya, I know, it’s supposed to be a #
    Who started that MeToo scam anyway?
    I don’t get it: wimmen calling up and twittering and face booking about how they were harassed 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago is an “empowering movement?” It sounds like humiliation to me.
    E Michael Jones says some things that are off the wall, but he’s spot on when he says that “Catholics [and a host of others] internalize the commands of their oppressors. We need to liberate ourselves from the Jewish super ego.” https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/02/goy-guide-to-social-change.html

    PS again: Commenting on Roy Moore’s loss, a woman from Alabama called to extol the “Christians” who stood up to the “immorality” Moore represented and declared that this proved Al. is MORAL.
    She went on to say that Alabama has a lot of military and Alabamans “support them their troops” aka paid killers.

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  152. L.K says:

    In his book “Understanding Jewish Influence – A Study in Ethnic Activism”, Prof. MacDonald writes in Chapter 3, which addresses Neoconservatism:

    Neoconservatism also reflects many of the characteristics of Jewish intellectual movements studied in my book, The Culture of Critique[3](see Table 1).

    • A deep concern with furthering specific Jewish interests, such as helping Israel or promoting immigration.

    • Issues are framed in a rhetoric of universalism rather than Jewish particularism.

    • Issues are framed in moral terms, and an attitude of moral superiority pervades the movement.

    • Centered around charismatic leaders (Boas, Trotsky, Freud).

    • Jews form a cohesive, mutually reinforcing core.

    • Non-Jews appear in highly visible roles, often as spokespersons for the movement.

    • A pronounced ingroup/outgroup atmosphere within the movement— dissenters are portrayed as the personification of evil and are expunged from the movement.

    • The movement is irrational in the sense that it is fundamentally concerned with using available intellectual resources to advance a political cause.

    • The movement is associated with the most prestigious academic institutions in the society.

    • Access to prestigious and mainstream media sources, partly as a result of Jewish influence on the media.

    • Active involvement of the wider Jewish community in supporting the movement.

    Notice one of the points is that non-Jews appear in highly visible roles in Jewish movements. Prof. MacDonald writes on this issue;

    NON-JEWISH PARTICIPATION IN NEOCONSERVATISM

    As with the other Jewish intellectual and political movements, non-Jews have been welcomed into the movement and often given highly visible roles as the public face of the movement. This of course lessens the perception that the movement is indeed a Jewish movement, and it makes excellent psychological sense to have the spokespersons for any movement resemble the people they are trying to convince. That’s why Ahmed Chalabi (a Shiite Iraqi, a student of early neocon theorist Albert Wohlstetter, and a close personal associate of prominent neocons, including Richard Perle) was the neocons’ choice to lead postwar Iraq.12

    There are many examples—including Freud’s famous comments on needing a non-Jew to represent psychoanalysis (he got Carl Jung for a time until Jung balked at the role, and then Ernest Jones). Margaret Mead and Ruth Benedict were the most publicly recognized Boasian anthropologists, and there were a great many non-Jewish leftists and pro-immigration advocates who were promoted to visible positions in Jewish dominated movements—and sometimes resented their role.13 Albert Lindemann describes non-Jews among the leaders of the Bolshevik revolution as “jewified non-Jews” ….

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  153. @LondonBob

    By “Bush the Elder realists”, do you mean Trotskyite neocon lunatics or rank and file CIA wetworkers? There are still plenty of those types gnawing away like rats everywhere you look.

    “Bush the Elder realists” indeed. Is Henry Kissinger one of those realists?

  154. Rurik says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    She went on to say that Alabama has a lot of military and Alabamans “support them their troops” aka paid killers.

    and so they voted for a Democrat

    as a repudiation of Trump

    isn’t it funny how when Trump sent Tomahawks (to a empty airstrip in Syria) that all in the sudden Chucky Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and the Dems and liberal/progressive media were hailing him as a statesman?

    even the uber-liberal Prime Minister Trudeau issued a statement expressing full support: “President Assad’s use of chemical weapons and the crimes the Syrian regime has committed against its own people cannot be ignored.”

    Senator Elizabeth Warren: “Syrian regime must be held accountable”

    Hillary: “I really believe that we should have, and still should take out his airfields and prevent him from being able to use them to bomb innocent people”

    Senator Bill Nelson: it will teach “Assad not to use chemical weapons again.”

    it seems the only people more militant than the typical Alabama voter is the super-liberal Barbara Streisand

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  155. peterAUS says:
    @ctail

    US citizens have more glands than neurons. The scenario is: that USA attacks; then Iran responds—perhaps even taking out an aircraft carrier. Then the USA totally ignores that they attacked first and the only thing they publicize is the horror and tragedy of the US loss—and suddenly in the MSM “USA is merely defending itself”…. It is all standard fare: USA starts @ t=zero when it is convenient for their narrative, For Iran t=0 is the embassy hostage incident.

    Agree that such event would be used/exploited as you say. Definitely.
    But, on a technical level, as I’ve pointed out several times on this site, it’s not that easy, for a country as Iran, to sink an US aircraft carrier.
    I could envisage sinking a destroyer, or even a cruiser. Although the event wouldn’t have exactly the same emotional impact a proper (sic) MSM campaign would also work well.

  156. peterAUS says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I don’t quite know who, exactly, is behind all these handles on this site but, somehow, doubt any of them (including me of course) has any position of power in US Administration.

    Are we discussing here our moral stance or a certain possibility?

    Are we here to signal our moral values and feel good about it, or, to try to predict what’s going to happen around us?
    At least 10 % of posters here. I know what the rest of 90 % are here for.

  157. @L.K

    Hey L.K.

    You are in no need for undergrad work, but I pass on Uri Avnery’s article below, “Emperor and King. As Israel has more freedom of press than ZUSA, I initially checked at Haarretz & read the 1st paragrsph.

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1512137281

    Thanks as always.

    P.S. Am hoping for Brother Nathanael’s appearance at U.R.

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  158. peterAUS says:
    @Rurik

    Disagree.

    I do not buy, for a second, that assessment of yours.

    People who really don’t like/want something do a bit more than just cast a vote, tweet, post and keep doing what they are told.
    Feels as soothing a guilty conscience.
    “I tried to do something about it, ah, well, didn’t make a difference, OK”.

    Doesn’t work that way I am afraid.

    Call me cynic but I believe that most of people who are against war in US/West aren’t because of imperial reasons and horrors inflicted on other people.
    They are against because they don’t get the spoils of war as they expected/expect.
    Yes, I know how this sounds and I stay behind it.

    I’ll start to believe that your assesment is right and I’ll admit I was/am wrong when:
    Should US initiate war against Iran we see MASSIVE demonstrations across US. Not peaceful but with a lot of violence.
    When tens of thousands of career soldiers/sailors/marines refuse to participate regardless of court martial.
    When people working in war related industries go on strikes regardless of consequences.

    And I have a suspicion that nothing of a sort will happen.

    • Agree: FB
    • Troll: L.K
  159. @Twodees Partain

    are you a citizen of usa? if so, you do not get to shirk the responsibility. yes you have done nothing wrong, but you are part of this country. there is no escape. the victims/citizens of those 5 countries would not care for the distinction. the military machine would not work without the support of the tax dollars.

    oh, the soldiers of my country is killing your citizens and destroying your country? it is their fault, not my fault. this is what you are saying. no one outside of usa would care about the distinction. especially not the victims in those 5 countries. in a way, trump is right. if we are going to bomb those countries, don’t invite them too, that is just asking for trouble. but this move also destroys the facade/cover for the slaughter and destruction. that is why it is a big no no.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Twodees Partain
  160. peterAUS says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    are you a citizen of usa? if so, you do not get to shirk the responsibility. yes you have done nothing wrong, but you are part of this country. there is no escape. the victims/citizens of those 5 countries would not care for the distinction. the military machine would not work without the support of the tax dollars.

    oh, the soldiers of my country is killing your citizens and destroying your country? it is their fault, not my fault. this is what you are saying. no one outside of usa would care about the distinction. especially not the victims in those 5 countries.

    Agree.

    Now, there are definitely plenty of people who strongly, on moral ground, disagree with US foreign policy. But, they aren’t willing to risk anything to do something about it.
    Majority, though….they just don’t care.
    They would need 10 minutes to find Iran on a map, and even that with some effort.

  161. @peterAUS

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/bad-moon-rising/#comment-2115294

    Who should be first to be lynched, PeterAus?

    If you had 5 white balls and 5 black balls, who of these characters would get which ball?

    Nikki Haley (if you plan to lynch Nikki, take care not to touch her ass; they’ll haul you in on charges of molestation)
    Clapper ?
    Chertoff ?
    Netanyah ?u
    Mattis ?
    Steve Bannon ?
    John McCain ?
    Lindsey Graham ?
    Dennis Ross
    Michael Ledeen
    Meyrav Wurmser
    George W Bush?

    How about W’s old man; he’s not too old to be lynched; a 96 yr old was just sentenced for being a Nahzee and an 84 year old German woman jailed for thought crimes. Germar Rudolf lost his career, his family, his home for the crime of producing evidence that disproved elements of the holocaust narrative. Some of us support his work financially and in other ways.

    If you think researching and writing things the PtB not only do not want to read/hear but that they actually punish you for writing/thinking, then you have no awareness whatsoever of the actual climate of censorship and thought-policing that prevails in USA today. I firmly believe in the power of the Word, and the use of the Word to coalesce with others in order to convince workers to strike the Lockheed Martin corporate hdq; to leave signs and pamphlets at the door of the holocaust freak show; to lobby congress; to contribute financially to those who lead such movements. We organize and/or participate in and/or support events where speakers like Phil Giraldi, Grant Smith, Gideon Levy, Ray McGovern, Alison Weir among others address an audience gathered from across the nation, who then take those messages home to their neighbors and friends.
    Strikes and protest marches do not erupt spontaneously, it takes a lot of effort in numerous ways, and some of us — I can name them but I will not — have tried to do our little bit.

    I think, and I think that the small group of activists that I’ve met in my travels, also think that the moral assessment of the rightness or wrongness of war is the first hurdle, at least for a nation purportedly “conceived in liberty and the proposition that all men are created equal . . . with an equal right to life.”

    If not by basic morality, then by the USA’s founding documents some of us think we have no right to take the life of any man, woman, child without a compelling and honest reason. And NO, taking the lives of 500- or 10,000- or 1 million Iranians is justified because it will mean prosperity and employment for Americans is NOT a good reason.

    How about you?
    What have you done lately?

    re the massive protests: The irony just occurred to me: There were massive rallies all over the world in opposition to war against Iraq. The protest I participated in took place on the Mall in Charlottesville, VA, the very same place that was defiled by Antifa. We froze our asses off, listened to speeches, signed a petition, then marched the petition to the other end of the Mall to the office of then-representative Virgil Goode.

    You know the outcome: Benjamin Netanyahu’s appearance before a congressional committee held more sway than did our massed voices and petitions. As I’ve written elsewhere, http://www.unz.com/article/the-system-repudiated/#comment-2106821
    since that protest in 2002 ??, Jews from New York have migrated to Charlottesville to the extent that they now hold sway in Thomas Jefferson’s own city, and his university. That’s a fact. I watched it happen. If you think it’s antisemitic to say so, I don’t give a particular damn; I’m American; as E Michael Jones says,
    “Catholics [and a host of others] internalize the commands of their oppressors. We need to liberate ourselves from the Jewish super ego.” https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/02/goy-guide-to-social-change.html

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  162. peterAUS says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    A measured (sort of, which I’ll address) and articulated post.
    Pity we don’t have more around.

    My reply:

    Who should be first to be lynched, PeterAus?

    Wow…wow…….how about we all (re)read this, think about that for a couple of minutes and move on?

    a 96 yr old was just sentenced for being a Nahzee and an 84 year old German woman jailed for thought crimes. Germar Rudolf lost his career, his family, his home for the crime of producing evidence that disproved elements of the holocaust narrative. Some of us support his work financially and in other ways.

    O.K.

    I firmly believe in the power of the Word

    I don’t.
    I believe in a power of action based on that Word.

    I think, and I think that the small group of activists that I’ve met in my travels, also think that the moral assessment of the rightness or wrongness of war is the first hurdle, at least for a nation purportedly “conceived in liberty and the proposition that all men are created equal . . . with an equal right to life.”

    Agree.
    Empshasize on the “first hurdle”.

    How about you?
    What have you done lately?

    Same as everyone who disagrees with US foreign (and domestic) policy. Nothing of a substance.

    re the massive protests: The irony just occurred to me: There were massive rallies all over the world in opposition to war against Iraq. The protest I participated in took place on the Mall in Charlottesville, VA, the very same place that was defiled by Antifa. We froze our asses off, listened to speeches, signed a petition, then marched the petition to the other end of the Mall to the office of then-representative Virgil Goode.

    Those were not massive protests. Massive protest freezes a city/region..
    Mix it with significant dissobediance within ranks. Mix it with strikes in ALL industries related to war.
    Try THAT one day.

    Now, we don’t need to kid ourselves. The “response” by the System would be….significant. And we simply do not want to risk lives we have now (literally) to prevent a war against somebody somewhere.

    It’s all about risk/reward, for minority of people with moral stance.

    And I repeat, most of people get their moral stance from their pay check and mainstream media.
    In that order.

  163. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mark James

    Moving in where opportunities abound for some reason? At least two (Halperin, Ford) aren’t around anymore on Coffee Joe.

    Morning Jew

  164. FB says:
    @Rurik

    ‘…once I took her to a particularly beautiful church she was always fond of, and you could feel her heart just sink when the sermon was all about the evil Muslim king who had slaughtered Jewish babies back in the day, and the requirement that we all steel our resolve against the evil Muslims of today, who are again threatening the holy Jews in the holy land…’

    That rang a bell with me and my recent church experience…

    Our pastor seemed like a decent enough guy…and then one day we get the news that he had got a military commission as a Chaplain…rank of Major…our church magazine had him on the cover in his fancy uniform…

    I figured whatever…

    But then I noticed him slipping in some sneaky messaging…during prayer he would start praying for our ‘troops in harm’s way’ while saying nothing about the people of Afghanistan who were burying babies in tiny coffins and wailing ‘Allahu Akbar’…

    Surely these people love their children as much as any other parent…

    And it just rubbed me the wrong way…

    One day I just stood up and walked my family out in the middle of one of his ‘prayers’…

    He noticed this and our further absences from services and came a calling…I told him flat out that I sympathize with those poor people who were getting trampled on and that I felt that politics had no place in church…much the less the military…

    I reminded him that Jesus was called the “Prince of Peace’…not war…

    he had nothing to say…he just got up and left my house…

    But an interesting little side story that happened a couple years previous to this…while we were still going to church…[and forking over dough...which seems to be what it's all about...]

    He had called me up and asked me to come and meet with him…he explained to me how it came to be that he got his commission and that it was all part of him getting his PhD…which the military was paying for…

    I said great…sounds like a sweet deal…what with the cost of higher education…plus being an ‘instant’ officer and eventually getting an officer’s pension and all that…

    Well here’s the kicker…turns out Mr. Preacher had a big problem…

    Turns out he had been procrastinating big-time on his dissertation…and he needed to start putting some material together for his interim report…

    I asked him what he had so far…he said, ‘absolutely not a single word…’

    This after about two years had already passed by…his excuse was that he had so much on his plate…yeah right…the guy only showed up to preach about once a month…delegating the sermons to some of his hangers-on among the congregation…guest preachers etc…

    I thought to myself what the heck does this guy do with his time…?…his Chaplain duties were likewise pretty trivial…

    So he came to the point and asked if I would help him…[incidentally I had loaned him, months previously, several rather expensive books which he had never returned]

    I said sure…let’s talk about what we can do together…and how I can help you…

    he said he would be willing to pay me…but I assured him I could not do any such thing as it would be unethical…I could help him as a friend…discuss ideas…review his material etc etc…I would not hesitate to commit whatever time he needed to get his thesis going…

    But that’s not what he had in mind…

    Quite incredibly…he came right out and told me exactly what he wanted…he wanted me to write his entire thesis for him and he would just cut me a check…whatever amount I felt was appropriate…

    Needless to say I was quite taken aback by this…I felt like I needed a shower…

    And this is a so-called ‘pastor’ leading a flock…?

    Talk about a totally corrupted individual…no ethics whatsoever…

    I had never been much on church anyway…but felt it was a good family thing…what with all the moral decay and all…

    I had been willing to overlook his ‘mistake’ about trying to engage me in unethical behavior…but his subsequent militarizing of church service was the last straw…

    I said to hell with this bozo and called him and asked for my books back…I would have let him keep them…I actually had no prior intention of asking for them back…but he was just such a slimeball that he didn’t deserve a simple kindness…

    He never even bothered to bring them to my house…I had to go chase him down…

    That’s organized religion for you…I have to believe that they are all the same…in my case Protestant…in others Catholic, Jewish…whatever…

    I do have some Orthodox Christian friends and have been to their church services and it is quite ornate and ceremonial…and the few sermons I got to hear were really quite inspiring…and completely devoid of politics or any other ‘worldliness’…

    Apparently Brother Nathaniel is an Orthodox…and my impression of this religion has been the most positive so far…

    But I do not intend to ever get my family involved in any religion again…to heck with it…not worth the trouble…

    • Replies: @Anon
  165. @peterAUS

    I firmly believe in the power of the Word

    I don’t.
    I believe in a power of action based on that Word.

    Do you mean The Propaganda of the Deed, like this:

    Two Palestinian militants killed in Gaza ‘preparing attack on Israel’

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-palestinian-militants-killed-gaza-153531973.html

    In a statement after Tuesday’s explosion, Islamic Jihad said: “We mourn the men – ‘martyrs of preparation’”. The group usually employs the term to refer to casualties caused by the accidental detonation of weapons or explosives used in attacks against Israel.

    Why are Palestinians willing to risk death in pursuit of their desires?

    Nothing left to lose.
    Americans are too comfortable.
    Gideon Levy said that Israelis are also too comfortable — and too well-protected against the futile, almost pathetic Palestinian gestures.

    Hard to imagine how a really massive general strike can work in the USA — it’s too big, and too divided against itself with no unifying narrative or core. (One of the kids was in Paris, scheduled to fly home the day Air Traffic Controllers went on strike. Frenchmen know how to do strikes, massive strikes, general strikes, they’re ready, knitting needle sharpened. France is much smaller than USA and, at the time of this particular episode, France was unified around Frenchness!
    USA is not unified.
    That’s by design — the war between men and wimmen was planned by Soros-types from before the election: Phase 1 was wimmen prancing around wearing vagina hats inspired by Russian female-like creatures who desecrated an Orthodox Church in Moscow.

    Phase 2 was Weinstein’s outing. Anyone who doesn’t realize that was part of a grand plan is not thinking carefully enough. Hollywood Jews could have outed Weinstein any time they wanted to; they picked now. Followed it up with what might have been unexpected disclosures.

    Then the #MeToo ‘movement’ emerged — From where? who started it? Organic? Don’t think so.

    The wimmen vs men movement leapfrogged to the US Congress. How’d that happen? Does anybody suppose a message was being sent to all those folks with Ben Gurion Airport tags on their luggage that it’s best they stay in line; #Youtoo could become the object of an Israeli #MeToo.

    The Franken non-resignation resignation is a hoot: Let’s start a pool: What’ll you wager Franken will recant his resignation? The Franken gambit was virtue signaling, and also a deflection from the possibility of focusing on vile, sexist, demeaning-to-women Hollywood movies, fashion, and pornography. Hands off the elements that are designed to sexualize women with the purpose of stimulating men.

    At Charlottesville the people who brought you pink hats, #MeToo and ‘#YouToo effectively enflamed a war between Blacks and Whites. Was that event organic? Do you have an artificial Christmas tree in your parlor?

    So USA has all these factions, all working in opposition to one another.

    Hitler’s genius, and threat, was that he united the German people around a shared cultural identity, Germanness.
    USA has no such shared identity.
    Jews are effective because they share an identity neurosis!

    So I don’t think a massive general strike is in the cards.


    After writing to counter the baleful effects of the Jewish-controlled media and narrative, the only action I can think of for the minority to undertake in order to capture the attention of the apathetic majority is hunger strikes. “Mrs. Pankhurst has been clapped in irons again.” Some may die. Who of us is willing to take that risk? For many, it’s not just a personal risk, it’s familiar; a version of Sophie’s Choice: If I make a public spectacle of myself, i.e. by hunger striking, what will be the impact on those associated with me? Are they willing to take that risk?

    Jews don’t have these qualms; they control the situation; it is Jews who will shame or harm the associates of those who speak out against the oppressive acts of Jews. 315 million held hostage by an imaginary 6 million.
    US government institutions will not protect Americans against the punitive actions of Jews.
    That’s a real kick in the tail.

  166. Z-man says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Yeah maybe as he gets older and recuperates from his broken ribs he’ll grow a bigger set and be get closer to his father’s views.

  167. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    I am sure you know that the funding of evangelical churches comes from Jews, not Christians. I dont know how much funding goes to other churches too. I know that about 2 years ago, when Pope Francis started talking about the poor, a very rich Jewish donor threatened to cut funding and he sent this message through Ken Langone. Langone advised the Pope to stop talking about the rich because to the donor who did not want to be named (but is rumored to be a jewish patron), his criticism of the rich sounded just like Nazis criticism of Jews

    • Replies: @FB
    , @anonymous
  168. peterAUS says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Do you mean The Propaganda of the Deed

    Well, using those examples could be….unwise….when chatting on the Internet.
    I simply meant those:
    Massive protests and strikes with significant disobedience in military.

    Americans are too comfortable.

    Yup.

    Hard to imagine how a really massive general strike can work in the USA — it’s too big, and too divided against itself with no unifying narrative or core.

    USA is not unified.

    So I don’t think a massive general strike is in the cards.

    Agree.

    After writing to counter the baleful effects of the Jewish-controlled media and narrative, the only action I can think of for the minority to undertake in order to capture the attention of the apathetic majority is hunger strikes.

    Don’t think it would work in USA.

    Actually, you said it… “apathetic majority”.
    So, no massive protests, no civil disobedience, no general strikes, no dissent in ranks.
    My point exactly.
    We, apparently, agree then?!

    And, how about this:
    Pick up a city in Midwest where life isn’t good overall because of loss of manufacturing.
    Promise those people that, should “the regime in Teheran does not cease its intention to build a weapon of mass destruction” (or something similar) US will start rearming in order to counter that “grave threat to humanity”/whatever.
    As a part of that effort a big weapons/munitions/equipment factory will be built there employing, say, 10 000 persons (in the factory and related businesses-infrastructure, services etc).
    Now…..would you expect to see any meaningful protests in that city against “war effort”?
    I don’t think so.

    Multiply it around and there we go.

  169. @SolontoCroesus

    Hey SolontoCroesus,

    As you write about citizens getting consistent “kicks-in-tail,” below is an Atlantic Monthly memory from bygone days of post-liberation Iraq, and how privately-owned Blackwater USA got hired (by our ever job-creating leadership) to “kick ass” against “non-combatants.”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/blackwater-and-the-time-warp-of-the-iraq-war/390480/

    Selah martyrs in belly of the green bird and wherefore The Maven.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  170. @SolontoCroesus

    The case of media hypocrisy.
    Senator Franken did his sexual misdeeds while he was member of the Senate.
    Senate must have the strictest code for behavior of his members.
    He obviously broke this code.
    The media, particularly CNN gave him free pass.

    Trumps possible misdeeds did happened decades ago while he was a private citizen
    Code of behaving of private citizens are definitely not so strict as a member of the senate.
    Did I make my case?

  171. FB says:
    @Anon

    I have no idea one way or the other who funds what religion…except that they sponge as much as possible from ordinary folks…many of whom are barely scraping by to begin with…

    I have to say that all this anti-Jewish talk here is IMO off the mark…

    That is not to deny the crimes of Israel…and the Israel lobby is definitely a huge problem…

    But I don’t see that Israel is the tail wagging the dog…that just seems to pat and easy…

    Someone earlier on this thread linked to a recent Crosstalk episode on RT about Dump’s Jerusalem recognition…on which Mr. Giraldi was a guest…

    There was also another guest who was quite reasonable…and a third who was totally pro-Israel to the point of caricature…

    At one point host Peter Lavelle asked this guy…’what does the US get out of this relationship with Israel…?’

    And of course this guy started spouting nonsense about trade and just ridiculous off the wall stuff…

    But here is the point…what does the US get out of Israel…?

    What if the US is getting a whole lot out of Israel…?

    If we assume and rightly so…that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2…then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East…is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire…

    The US as I had already mentioned has been living high off the petrodollar…which is a basically a tax on all the people of the world…the US gets to print free money by the trillions each year because of this arrangement…

    This is what empires do…there is no question that the Emperors in Washington…who are really the financial and corporate plutocracy…not the ‘elected’ officials…

    …they want the Empire…they need the Empire…

    Israel is crucial to that…and not just militarily but as an entire ideology about the ‘only democracy’ in the ME…etc..etc…

    Not just that…but Israel is a point of conflict…a very convenient powder keg that could go off at any time and cause chaos…

    Aha…that word chaos…it’s what this empire thrives on isn’t it…?

    There’s no rhyme or reason behind the chaos caused by the US in the ME and central Asia in recent years…

    Or is there…?

    Chaos and the ‘threat’ of even greater chaos provides a convenient raison d’etre for the entire US posture as world policeman…

    It’s like the crooked cop in a town with no crime who needs a collaborator to manufacture some…otherwise he’s out of a job…

    As one poster insightfully mentioned here…the Puritans had no problem working with the Jews…even while they were slaughtering the Irish 500 years ago…which was good prep school for slaughtering Native Americans as soon as they got here…

    When it comes to the Jew ‘bogeyman’ there is no ‘there’ there…

    It is useless to think this way because it deflects attention from the real criminals…the really powerful ones [whatever religion or ethnicity they may be] who only work together with the Jews because the Jews are damn useful to their project of global hegemony…

    Paul Craig Roberts has long been calling out the US public as apathetic and ‘insouciant’…this is the truth…

    Don’t blame anyone but yourselves…take a good long look in the mirror…get the real facts instead of reaching for the easy answer…

    Did you ever stop to consider that giving the sheeple an easy answer is part of the plan…?

    Hitler gave the people an easy outlet for hate…whatever did or did not happen with the Jewish genocide…Hitler most certainly ruined his nation…and inflicted unimaginable horrors on the Russians too…and others…

    Yet there is a certain element that wants to idolize this foolish man…and adopt the easy answer that the Jews are all powerful and control everything and have for a long time…

    Occam’s razor tells us that the straight line is the most logical one…

    I had posted this question here before…why if the Jews were so all powerful that they could literally pull the strings of starting the two world wars…

    …why then would they even need to avail themselves of such a dangerous and risky enterprise as war…?

    it makes no sense…if they had all the power already…they could simply engineer society the way they wanted…

    The truth is that Jews are most certainly over-involved in what has become an evil global empire…that is probably because they have the skills that are needed for this kind of criminal enterprise…

    but it doesn’t mean that they are the head honcho…or that they call the shots…logic says otherwise…

    one hundred years ago Eugene Debs pleaded with working people to stop the racial divide between white and black workers that the ruling elite had created as a diversion…

    He told them very simply…they don’t care about black, white, yellow or red…their only color is green…

    Racial discord was the easy answer offered up by the ruling elites 100 years ago…Hitler offered the easy answer of the Jews…and people have been falling for it…

    This whole Jew thing looks suspiciously like more divide and conquer bait from the ruling elite…

    We’re all the same to them…they are different from us…even the Jews among them don’t care about the ordinary Jew…

    I’m not saying this is the answer…I could be wrong…but let’s not jump to conclusions…let’s discuss with reason and logic…

    But let’s figure out if this whole Jew thing is just more bait from the ruling elite…it would not be the first time…

    And what if is…?

    We must at least think about that…

  172. geokat62 says:

    This one is for Incitatus.

    Excerpt from Philip Weiss’s article, A majority of one is pushing for embassy move — Sheldon Adelson:

    Eli Clifton notes that Sheldon Adelson– who along with his wife Miriam are Trump’s biggest donors at $35 million…

    When Adelson sought to stop Annapolis, George Bush tried to temporize with Adelson by saying (per Connie Bruck) “I can’t be more Catholic than the Pope.” (I.e., I’m not Netanyahu, give me some breathing room.)

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/jerusalem-failure-century/comment-page-1/

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  173. L.K says:
    @FB

    FB: “If we assume and rightly so…that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2…then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East…is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire…”

    LOL. One of the most idiotic, ridiculous, BS statements I’ve read in quite a while…

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @Miro23
  174. L.K says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hey Chuck,

    Thanks for the link;

    Take a look at these:

    Robert Martin is an Australian activist who has visited occupied Palestine.
    Abed al-Rahman Shadi Obeidallah, 12 was killed by a sniper at Aida refugee camp

    Israel abuse children everyday and have done for years

    My weekend in Palestine

  175. geokat62 says:
    @FB

    I’m not saying this is the answer…I could be wrong…but let’s not jump to conclusions…let’s discuss with reason and logic…

    Applause, applause. That was quite the performance, FB. Yes, let us discuss your points with reason and logic.

    But I don’t see that Israel is the tail wagging the dog…that just seems to pat and easy…

    As you no doubt are aware, the argument that the dog wags the tail is an old one whose most popular proponent is Noam Chomsky. While this argument may have had some semblance of truth during the Cold War days, it has since been superseded by the tail wags the dog argument put forth by Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt in The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy. You should give it a read, as it makes a convincing case that instead of being an asset, Israel now represents a liability to the US.

    Chaos and the ‘threat’ of even greater chaos provides a convenient raison d’etre for the entire US posture as world policeman…

    Ah, yes “Chaos.” Rather than it being the desire of the world policeman, “chaos” is exactly what the two blueprints for remaking the ME called for. I, of course, am referring to Oded Yinon’s A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s and PNAC’s A Clean Break: A Strategy for Securing the Realm. You should give these two documents a read, FB, as it may enhance our discussion “with logic and reason.”

    When it comes to the Jew ‘bogeyman’ there is no ‘there’ there…

    Oh, it’s there alright. You just have to don the proper spectacles that will enable you to see pink elephants and 800 lb gorillas.

    It is useless to think this way because it deflects attention from the real criminals…the really powerful ones [whatever religion or ethnicity they may be] who only work together with the Jews because the Jews are damn useful to their project of global hegemony…

    Oh, I see. We are wasting our time focusing on the powerful ones, while the really, really, really powerful ones get away with murder? Do I understand you properly?

    For the record, FB, I readily admit that I’m just a dumb goyim. And the way I see it is this. The Lobby is comprised of two wings: one devoted to domestic policy, the other to foreign policy. The domestic policy wing has concentrated on pushing for mass immigration so that diaspora Jews could feel less threatened in a more heterogeneous society. They were at it for about 100 years before they were able to achieve their goal of passing a non-restrictionist immigration act, in 1965.

    The foreign policy wing, on the other hand, was focused on enhancing the security of the citizens of the Jewish state. To do this, the neocons were tasked with pushing for the phony GWOT to regime change 7 Muslim countries in 5 years that were hostile to the Jewish state. Although it took a little longer, 6 of the 7 countries have been destroyed (although the regime in Syria is still hanging in there) and the 7th one is currently in their cross hairs.

    These two objectives of The Lobby are what we dumb goyim are currently focused on. Once these two issues get addressed, we’ll then turn our attention to the really, really, really powerful ones, I promise.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @FB
  176. FB says:
    @L.K

    And of course you back your statement up with absolutely nothing…

    We are just supposed to take the word of an obvious illiterate…?

  177. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Vidi

    American people are unconvinced, to put it mildly, by the mainstream propaganda; this percentage can only increase, as their lies become more desperate and blatant.

    Very true. The goyim know.

    Less Than 1 In 3 Trust Mainstream Media, Martin Armstrong Warns “Their End Is Near”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-01/less-1-3-trust-mainstream-media-martin-armstrong-warns-their-end-near

    • Replies: @Vidi
  178. @L.K

    If you consider the word fortress unacceptable, than you may consider a word bait.
    It does not really make any difference.
    It is still used as a control point for the Levant.

    • Agree: FB
  179. @nsa

    Excellent! Well said- this is the crux of the matter.
    I admire the Amish for shunning all the printed clap- trap that comes from Madison ave., et al…for the very same reasons as shunning the Televitz…

    There’s something to be said for not allowing “the devils tightrope” to be hooked up to your home. Electronics being the means by which men are made soft and degenerate.

  180. Miro23 says:
    @L.K

    FB: “If we assume and rightly so…that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2…then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East…is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire…”

    LOL. One of the most idiotic, ridiculous, BS statements I’ve read in quite a while…

    Yes, completely the wrong way round. Israel isn’t crucial to the continued existence of the US, but the US is crucial to the continued existence of Israel.

    Just to get some context on Empire:

    A small island of the west coast of Europe (Great Britain) used to own a worldwide Empire. Englishmen ran the world’s Central Bank (Bank of England), denominated world trade in its currency (Pound Sterling) and enforced the whole thing using Imperial troops and “Gunboat Diplomacy”.

    Similarly a small country in the Middle East (Israel) now owns an Empire (the United States). Jews runs the world’s Central Bank (Federal Reserve), denominate world trade in its currency (US Dollar) and enforce the whole thing using Imperial troops and constant war.

    • Replies: @FB
  181. FB says:
    @geokat62

    Well…at least you present a semblance of an argument…unlike your herd-mentality buddies here…

    The bone of contention seems to have boiled down to this…

    Is it the dog or the tail that’s doing the wagging…?

    You cited Mearshimer and Walt…who…

    ‘…emphasize that the lobby is not a cabal or a conspiracy but simply a powerful interest group like the National Rifle Association or the farm lobby.

    Their core argument is that the policies that the lobby pushes are not in the United States’ national interest, nor ultimately that of Israel…’

    I fully agree with that…in fact it is perfectly rational…

    A lot of things Mearshimer has said…especially about Russia and the Ukraine putch…are quite rational…he is a realist…

    But the question then comes back to square one…who is choosing to let the Israel lobby have their way…?

    Why don’t you tell me…?

    I said my piece…the powers that be want an empire and Israel is the perfect tool / foil / accomplice for this project…

    Does that mean they run the show…?

    Like I said I doubt it…and you have not made a solid argument that they do…

    I’m keeping an open mind…if you can argue convincingly that the Israel lobby has taken over and is calling the shots…then let’s see it…

    I happen to think that Imperialists are the problem…and without those imperialists’ consent the Israel lobby could not operate in this way…?

    Is someone holding a gun to someone’s head…?

    You can hide behind farce [and I did get a good self-deprecating laugh out of your mocking my 'really really powerful individuals' shtick]…

    …but it doesn’t prove that Jews and the Israel lobby have taken full control…somebody can still say no…but do they want to…?

    throw something up and let’s see what you got…

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  182. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    The US could have easily kept the ME obedient in serving the petrodollar just by existing as a military and economic superpower. Saddam was begging to be left alone. So did Gaddafi, the Afgan rulers and virtually everyone else in the area. None of it helped. The plan was always to trash their countries – by using the US goyim blood and treasure – and to keep them trashed and weak. This was outlined in the (((PNAC))) documents way before 9/11.

    The (((tail))) is wagging the dog.

    • Replies: @FB
  183. FB says:
    @Miro23

    Similarly a small country in the Middle East (Israel) now owns an Empire (the United States). Jews runs the world’s Central Bank (Federal Reserve), denominate world trade in its currency (US Dollar) and enforce the whole thing using Imperial troops and constant war.

    Or maybe the Jews ran the British Empire as well…?

    That’s what your buddies want you to believe…maybe you didn’t get the memo…?

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Miro23
  184. FB says:
    @Anonymous

    The US could have easily kept the ME obedient in serving the petrodollar just by existing as a military and economic superpower. Saddam was begging to be left alone. So did Gaddafi, the Afgan rulers and virtually everyone else in the area.

    Not so fast…

    Saddam was about to dump the dollar and sell Iraqi oil in Euro…

    Gaddafi was a gadfly who was working on a Gold Dinar for all of Africa…

    Your facts are not quite facts…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @jilles dykstra
  185. FB says:
    @geokat62

    Oh and btw…you said this…

    The domestic policy wing [of the Israel lobby] has concentrated on pushing for mass immigration so that diaspora Jews could feel less threatened in a more heterogeneous society. They were at it for about 100 years before they were able to achieve their goal of passing a non-restrictionist immigration act, in 1965.

    And I had said previously in this thread the real reason why mass immigration is needed…

    Ever hear of Exponential Growth…?

    That’s the way our economy is set up…it has to do with exponential math…just like compound interest…and Ponzi schemes…

    No difference…these three are mathematical constructs that are fundamentally identical…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth#Examples

    The only way to sustain exponential growth in an economy is to import more people…simple math…

    I would say the idea of preventing the US economy of going pfft like a flat tire is reason enough to import more wage slaves…but that’s just my opinion…

    A ‘heterogenous’ state where Jews feel more safe seems a little bit more out on a limb…don’t you think…?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  186. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    Both did it because they were targets and they were both ready to backtrack or even resign (Gaddafi) when the threat became real. You’re desperately trying to rewrite history, FB. Anyone who followed those events knows that the wars were forced on them despite their pleas. The Tribe had other plans for their countries.

    Saddam’s desperate offers to stave off war

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/07/iraq.brianwhitaker

    Gaddafi offers resignation for security guarantees

    http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/world/news/63399/Gaddafi_offers_resignation_for_security_guarantees

    • Replies: @FB
  187. geokat62 says:

    throw something up and let’s see what you got…

    Ok. Here goes. Are you familiar with the work of Prof. Kevin MacDonald? He produced the fascinating series, Culture of Critique. For me, this provides the best explanation of who are the really, really, really powerful ones and why.

    As a sampler, I recommend reading this short review by Stanley Hornbeck.

    To foster our discussion with reason and logic, I have provided an excerpt of his concluding paragraph:

    Aside from the question of whether Prof. MacDonald is right is the further question of what difference it makes if he is right. If correct, his thesis certainly sheds light on the rapidity with which whites lost their will. Just a few decades ago whites were a confident race, proud of their achievements, convinced of their fitness to dominate the globe. Today they are a declining, apologetic people, ashamed of their history and not sure even of their claim to lands they have occupied for centuries. It is very rare for fundamental concepts to be stood on their heads in the course of just a generation or two, as has happened with thinking about race. Such speed suggests there has been something more than natural change.

    http://heretical.com/miscellx/culturec.html

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  188. geokat62 says:
    @FB

    And I had said previously in this thread the real reason why mass immigration is needed…

    Ever hear of Exponential Growth…?

    Oh, exponential growth? That’s it… that’s the ticket.

    I have just finished posting my response to a previous comment of yours. In it, I referenced a review of Prof. MacDonald’s Culture of Critique. Your reference to “exponential growth,” and others like it, is addressed by Prof. MacDonald in this paragraph:

    Throughout his analysis Prof. MacDonald reiterates his view that Jews have promoted these movements as Jews and in the interests of Jews, though they have often tried to give the impression that they had no distinctive interests of their own. Therefore Prof. MacDonald’s most profound charge against Jews is not ethnocentrism but dishonesty – that while claiming to be working for the good of mankind they have often worked for their own good and to the detriment of others. While attempting to promote the brotherhood of man by dissolving the ethnic identification of gentiles, Jews have maintained precisely the kind of intense group solidarity they decry as immoral in others.

    I do hope your reference to exponential growth was sincere and not meant to deceive The Dumb Goyim.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @FB
  189. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    Such speed suggests there has been something more than natural change.

    Exactly. And it’s beyond obvious where the poison is coming from. As a matter of fact, Jewish-controlled MSM, academia, movies, books, politics can’t shut up about bringing down the white race.

    http://www.azquotes.com/author/33287-Noel_Ignatiev

    If you are a white male, you don’t deserve to live. You are a cancer, you’re a disease, white males have never contributed anything positive to the world! They only murder, exploit and oppress non-whites! At least a white woman can have sex with a black man and make a brown baby but what can a white male do? He’s good for nothing. Slavery, genocides against aboriginal peoples and massive land confiscation, the inquisition, the holocaust, white males are all to blame! You maintain your white male privilege only by oppressing, discriminating against and enslaving others!

    …The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists……Keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females, too, until the social construct known as the white race is destroyed. Not deconstructed, but destroyed.

    The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race. Until that task is accomplished, even partial reform will prove elusive, because white influence permeates every issue in U.S. society, whether domestic or foreign.

    If you are a white male, you don’t deserve to live. You are a cancer, you’re a disease, white males have never contributed anything positive to the world!

    Whiteness is not a culture . . . Whiteness has nothing to do with culture and everything to do with social position . . . . Without the privileges attached to it, the white race would not exist, and the white skin would have no more social significance than big feet

    Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity?

    The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race.

  190. Vidi says:
    @Anonymous

    Less Than 1 In 3 Trust Mainstream Media, Martin Armstrong Warns “Their End Is Near”

    Good article, thanks for the link.

    I was pretty sure that at least half of the electorate distrusted the mainstream media, and I am not surprised that the fraction of doubters is now two thirds. The recent CNN fiasco — where they were caught lying — should trash the mainstream media’s credibility even more, and shows how desperate they really are.

  191. @ChuckOrloski

    Thank you, ChuchOrloski, for sharing the fruits of your knack for finding the right example at the right time, especially from the WayBack machine.

  192. @FB

    In the second half of the 19th century a jew was prime minister.
    E. T. Raymond (Edward Raymond Thompson), ‘Disraeli: The Alien Patriot’, 1925, London

    The British Secretary for India at the time of the Balfour declaration was a jew, he opposed zionism, he considered himself an assimilated jew.
    Therefore the words in the declaration stating something that the declaration did not alter rights of jews anywhere.

    Churchill had a mother of at least jewish descent, his scientific adviser, Lindemann, later Lord Cherwell, had a jewish mother.

    Off topic, the Roosevelts descended from Portuguese jews.

    After the BBC criticised Tony B-liar’s 45 minutes Saddam WMD’s, the chairman of the BBC was replaced by a jew.

    Brexit came as a shock to the British establishment, used to the district sytem, all of a sudden every vote counted.

    What we see in GB now is the same as in the USA, sabotaging a democratic election, with considerable success, I must say.
    With more and more atheistic jews it is quite difficult to judge jewish influence now.

  193. @FB

    Saddam was not about, he had decided to sell Iraqi oil for euro’s.
    Some assert that he then signed his death warrant.

    • Agree: FB
  194. @FB

    There are quite a few opinions in Germany that Merked did, and does, more harm to Germany, by welcoming large scale immigration, than Hitler did.
    Germans as a culture and a people survived WWII, despite that some ten million Germans died, nearly a quarter of the 44 million population of 1940.
    Merkel about mass immigration ‘wird Deutschland für immer ändern’.
    Translation ‘will change Germany forever’.
    I fear she’s right.
    If Merkel’s behaviour can be explained by the idea that Germans must be changed, as guilty for two world wars and the holocaust, it may be.
    When she explained her immigration policy she hinted ‘in the past it was different’.
    Demographic predictions for 2050 are frightening, the number of Muslims.
    Opinions exist that just the E European countries will remain European, those that completely refuse Muslim immigrants, the so called Visegrad countries, such as Poland, Hungary, Chechnia, Slovakia, Rumenia.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
    , @FB
  195. Miro23 says:
    @FB

    Similarly a small country in the Middle East (Israel) now owns an Empire (the United States). Jews runs the world’s Central Bank (Federal Reserve), denominate world trade in its currency (US Dollar) and enforce the whole thing using Imperial troops and constant war.

    Or maybe the Jews ran the British Empire as well…?

    Do you have some serious evidence for Jews running the British Empire? The British (inc. many Scotsmen) ran it from London, and outposts around the world, for the benefit of the British, emphasizing the racial superiority of Englishmen (not Jews) over the natives.

    On the other hand, there’s plenty of evidence of Jewish influence over Congress, US foreign policy, US media and the Federal Reserve.

    • Replies: @FB
  196. @FB

    FB: “Throw something up and let’s see what you got.”

    (Zigh)

    Wish Brother Nathanael was here at the U.R. and he would plain spokenly reveal what evidence “he got” to share on pervasive & unchallenged Zionist Jew power in the US.

    Meanwhile, below is The Orthodox Bro who’s in the Know.

  197. Incitatus says:
    @jilles dykstra

    “Germans as a culture and a people survived WWII, despite that some ten million Germans died, nearly a quarter of the 44 million population of 1940.”

    German population 1939: 69,300,000;
    German population 1939 + Austria + Nationals in East and West Europe: 83,500,000;
    Total German Deaths [military + civilian]: 6,900,000-7,400,000 = 8.26-8.86%

    “44 million” isn’t 69-84 million. “Nearly a quarter” isn’t 9%. Not even close.

    Too much sauerkraut?

    Say hi to Seyss-Inquart. Hope his stiff neck clears up.

    • Agree: FB
  198. Sloopyjoe says:
    @renfro

    Thanks Renfro. Just waiting on the OK from Mr. Unz and Mr. Giraldi.

    Any other takers for this worthy cause?

    _______

    On topic

    Whose name is on the top of this list that relates to this article? Almost $1 million to buy a CIA head.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48403.htm

    https://lobelog.com/exclusive-emergency-committee-for-israel-spends-big-on-rep-tom-cotton/

    How much do top Jewish Non-Profit leaders make?

    https://forward.com/news/388240/how-much-do-top-jewish-non-profit-leaders-make/

    Gotta love those recycled USSA theft $s finding their way back to the domestic shores.

  199. FB says:
    @geokat62

    ‘…Oh, exponential growth? That’s it… that’s the ticket…’

    Well…now you are reverting to your blockhead ways…

    If you bother to familiarize yourself with the subject of perpetual economic growth…you find that it is impossible in the long run…

    But what happens if there is zero growth for even 6 months [two quarters]…boom it’s a recession…

    Perpetual growth is not sustainable…and that’s a big issue…whether you choose to breezily ignore it or not…

    Look up sustainability of perpetual economic growth…you will find not one idiot who argues that this is possible…yet this is how our system is designed…

    The US economy has…for a long time now…been able to sustain perpetual growth only due to massive influx of immigration…and that is only going to increase going forward…

    No need to look under the bed for jew bogeyman concerned about his ‘safety’…

    PS: there is no such thing as perpetual growth in the natural world…in physics this concept is akin to a perpetual motion machine [ie a machine that generates more energy than it consumes]…which is also impossible due to the laws of thermnodynamics…

  200. FB says:
    @Miro23

    Do you have some serious evidence for Jews running the British Empire?

    It’s not my theory…it’s the theory of your buddies…

    see comment…

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/bad-moon-rising/#comment-2117859

  201. FB says:
    @Anonymous

    They were targets because they were ditching the dollar for oil trade…WMD had nothing to do with it…

    Again…your own buddies provide the refutation to your story…

    http://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=jilles+dykstra

    You guys really should get your stories straight…a lot of cracks and fissures among your own various arguments…

    ‘…The idea, according to Gaddafi, was that African and Muslim nations would join together to create this new currency and would use it to purchase oil and other resources in exclusion of the dollar and other currencies…’

    http://www.thedailybell.com/editorials/anthony-wile-gaddafi-planned-gold-dinar-now-under-attack/

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Anonymous
  202. FB says:
    @geokat62

    You must be hallucinating…

    There is no mention of exponential economic growth in that McDonald paragraph you cited…

    In any case…McDonald is a psychologist…psychology being a ‘soft science’…in fact not a ‘science’ at all but mere quackery…

    These guys can conjure up any juju they want and there is no mathematical way to prove or disprove any of it…which of course is the acid test of Real Science…

    That is not to say that some insights on human societies and systems cannot be gleaned from studying systematically…but in the end it requires some quantitative analysis…as economics [another soft science] must ultimately resort to mathematics to prove its point…

    Michael Hudson is a great example of this…if you read his stuff you know that economies going back to ancient Mesopotamia failed due to unsustainable perpetual growth…

    The cause of the perpetual growth in these ancient as well as modern economies is the idea of interest on borrowing…

    The interest levied is an arbitrarily set percentage…which means that the economy must grow by that percentage amount the following year simply to pay the interest that has accrued…

    At some point the economy can no longer keep up…it cannot continue to grow at that rate which the artificial interest rate demands…

    We see proof of this today in that interest rates have been zero for the last decade…[ZIRP]…

    You cannot get around mathematics…it cannot be finessed like psychology and other quackery…

    In the ancient economies…the solution was eventually arrived at where a periodic debt forgiveness was brought in…the Mesopotamians brought this in and it ended their catastrophic economic meltdowns…the Hebrews had this debt-forgiveness ‘Jubilee’ as part of their law every 50 years…

    • Replies: @geokat62
  203. @FB

    this is excellent analysis.

    imo, both are getting something out of it. israel gets to finally kill off palestine and get their own jewish country.

    • Agree: FB
  204. FB says:
    @jilles dykstra

    If Merkel’s behaviour can be explained by the idea that Germans must be changed, as guilty for two world wars and the holocaust, it may be.

    That’s a big if…

    A more simple and direct explanation lies in the sustainability of perpetual economic growth as I have been commenting here quite a bit…without any serious attempt at rebuttal…

    We note that Germany’s industry was rebuilt after WW2 by massive infusion of Marshall Plan funds…But with its industries up and humming…Germany found itself short of workers…

    Starting in the 1950s already Germany was importing ‘gastarbeiter’ [guest workers] from the Balkans and Turkey…

    They were not able to receive German citizenship and were expected to leave after a certain period…

    Which they did…a lot of those original guest workers did in fact return to their countries of origin…having worked enough years to stash away a sufficient nest egg that would let them live nicely in their home economies where prices were much lower…

    This was especially the case with Yugoslavs [Serbs, Croats etc...]…but also Turks…

    But then a funny thing happened…as the German economy kept on booming…guest workers weren’t enough…it became necessary to have real immigrants instead of just guests…in order to keep the industrial output going…

    You see the fat cats in industry…and later finance, as Western economies became increaingly financialized…wanted this money making machine to continue…

    Certainly the German ruling elite was more generous to the German people in terms of social benefits…like excellent universal health care…pensions etc…

    So it was not just the ruling elite that took all the benefits and left nothing but scraps for the people…as was the case in the US…

    But the point being…what would happen now if economic output stopped growing…?

    All of this would come to an end…the system is designed so that year over year growth is absolutely essential…this perpetual growth became especially important as finance capital became ascendant over industrial capital starting from the 1970s…

    So it became in everyobody’s interest to keep immigration going because the German economy benefited from it…even the voting public realized this…

    Only now is a relatively small portion of the public starting to say no…but the majority are fearful of rocking the boat…and disrupting the real prosperity that they enjoy…

    In the US it’s a different story…the ruling elite has been much stingier about sharing the benefit of economic prosperity…we have a handful of billionaires who own more wealth than 150 million Americans…

    There is no universal health care system for the people for the simple reason that the insurance companies would lose their cash cow overnight…and we recall that these private insurance companies are pure middlemen…

    They need not be in the loop at all…doctors provide services…a nationally run health plan pays the bill…simple as that…you cut out the middlemen and the profits their wealthy shareholders demand…and the country saves how many thousands of billions of dollars…?

    This is just one example of how the US people are getting stiffed…are the Jews or the Israel lobby forcing everyone to agree to this…?

    There are lots of non-Jews who wield a lot of power…why does McCain, Graham and all the rest of the senate go along with all this stuff…?

    There are only a handful of Jewish senators…

    It’s the same story in the super wealthy plutocrats…even in the financial sector Jews are not the majority of the fat cats…yes they are over-represented by a gross margin…but they are not the majority…just look at the Forbes 400…

    How many are actually Jews…?

    the simple fact is that the American Oligarchy goes along with all of this agenda…including the wars in the ME…which are crucial to dollar hegemony…as well as bankrolling the massive military industrial complex…

    So it is obviously necessary to take apart this whole system and understand exactly how it works…

    The shortsightedness of simply saying ‘the Jews have taken over’ is that it misses a lot of the important details…

    It does nothing to advance our understanding of how the system actually works…

    And understanding how it works is the first step to trying to figure out how to stop it…

    We all agree that the system must be stopped…it is ruinous, unjust, and unfair…but the ‘easy answer’ is a dead end street…it leads nowhere…

    Why has Dump just brought in a huge tax cut for the wealthy…?

    Yet he is a man of the people…?

    Yet his son-in-law is an important shot caller and an Israeli-firster…

    There’s a lot of cognitive dissonance going on here…

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  205. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “Excerpt from Philip Weiss’s article…”

    Full quote (text you omitted in bold):

    “Eli Clifton notes that Sheldon Adelson who along with his wife Miriam are Trump’s biggest donors at $35 million — has expressed impatience with the Trump administration’s failure to move the embassy, and expressed fury when Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said he was opposed to the move.”

    “Adelson’s own newspaper in Nevada said that Adelson was nettled by Trump’s hesitancy to move the embassy, in October. While the Times of Israel said that Adelson was so pissed last spring, that he had shut off the “spigot” of cash to Trump.”

    Latest reports have no timetable for moving the embassy. Trump’s recognition is like the Diet Coke he guzzles – full of gas. Seems Shelly and Miriam aren’t fooled. One expects the real thing for $35 million.

    Guess what’s about to pass Congress? A new bill that reduces corporate and estate taxes, eliminates healthcare mandates, limits blue state SLT and mortgage interest deductions, and temporarily throws a few crumbs to the ‘middle class’. Despite abject failure of similar measures in Kansas (Koch Bros home state).

    Not to mention EPA ‘reform’, ‘net neutrality’, National Park territory reductions, CFPB dismantlement, CVS-Aetna consolidation, etc. Who’s getting all this done?

    Ranked Sector Lobbying Expenditures [2017 alone]:

    Health: $413,776,411
    Finance/Insurance/Real Estate: $370,608,822
    Misc. Business: $353,610,091
    Communications/Electronics: $297,340,365
    Energy/Natural Resources: $230,298,293
    Transportation: $178,157,786
    Ideology/Single Issue [human rights, environment, guns, Israel, etc]: $107,161,403

    https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?showYear=2017&indexType=c

    Wealthy donors?

    ‘Koch Political Network to Spend $300M to $400M Over 2 years”
    -29 Jan 2017 AP/Fortune

    http://fortune.com/2017/01/29/koch-political-network-spending/

    Need one say more?

    • Replies: @FB
    , @ChuckOrloski
    , @geokat62
  206. @FB

    FB: “WMD had nothing to do with it…”

    Hey FB,

    Does “it” above correspond to April 2003 and Iraqi liberation?

    If so, it was treasonous for the POT(Z)US W. Bush administration to have sold such case to dumb goyim citizens.

    (Zigh)

    Since you are “Mr. Know-it-All” similar to a Rocky & Bullwinkle cartoon-character, I will ask you two questions.

    1. Does Iran’s (possibly) having nuclear WMDs have any bearing upon Netanyahu and Trump’s provocative desire for regime change in the Islamic Republic?

    2. Will it take a bold Iranian move away from the “petrodollar” in order to fulfill American-Israeli desire for regime change (Shock & Awe 2) and hasten establishing Greater Israel?

    Selah “Bad Moon Rising” and unWise Men Follow the Texaco Star To Evict Proud Mother Mary.

  207. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    Why are you still confused? I didn’t mention WMDs and I don’t care who you think my “pals” are. You were proposing – without any evidence or reason – that the Jews are innocent victims of the US “elite” (which is mostly Jewish and certainly controlled by the Jews). Please do a Web search for the “Yinon plan” and the “PNAC plan” and you’ll see that the US goyim are being used for decades to trash Jewish/Israeli “enemies” in the region. All those wars failed to bring democracy or stability but they sure left those countries weak and divided – which is exactly what was intended by the Jews.

    The US won nothing there because it was never meant to. The “maintaining petrodollar” excuse is a lie since the victims couldn’t mount an effective challenge to that status. I’ve even given you proof that the US went out of its way to ignore all offered concessions in order to trash the victims. Why is that so difficult to understand?

    • Replies: @FB
  208. FB says:
    @Incitatus

    Thanks for the shot of realism, I…

    The Koch family is not Jewish…they are the second-largest privately held company in the US…and very politically influential…is someone holding a gun to their head to pursue an Israeli agenda…?

    The founder of the company…chemical engineer Fred C. Koch…was a founding member of the John Birch Society…

    ‘…The organization supports limited government and opposes wealth redistribution and economic interventionism…’

    And this…

    ‘…Antisemitic, racist, anti-Mormon, anti-Masonic groups criticized the organization’s acceptance of Jews, non-whites, Masons, and Mormons as members…’

    So the JBS was criticized for accepting Jews…?

    Why were they accepting Jews…?…did someone hold a gun to their head…?

    Another interesting very powerful privately held company is consturction/engineering firm Bechtel…number 8 on the Forbes list…

    https://www.forbes.com/largest-private-companies/list/#tab:rank

    Have a look at some of Bechtel’s major projects…

    The Los Alamos National Laboratory…and the Lawrence Livernmore National Laboratory…

    ‘…U.S. research facilities that focus on nuclear weapons and national security. Bechtel has managed both laboratories in a joint venture with the University of California and other organizations since 2006 under contracts with the Department of Energy…’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechtel#Major_projects

    Also a leading player in Saudi Arabia…Jubail Industrial City…

    ‘…Largest industrial city in the Middle East and the largest construction engineering project in the world…

    Bechtel has been overseeing construction since the project’s inception in the mid-1970s. The city has been built from a master plan designed by Bechtel and encompasses infrastructure to support 19 primary industries, and produce oil and gas-based products including refined oil, petrochemicals, steel, glass and aluminium…

    Bechtel has also built housing, retail space, mosques, schools, clinics, and fire stations. Bechtel began construction on an expansion to the city, called Jubail Industrial City II, in 2006…’

    ‘…Brendan Bechtel is CEO and Chairman and is the fifth generation of the Bechtel family to lead the company…

    Several high-ranking Bechtel executives at times held important positions in the United States government. Notably, Reagan’s cabinet had two former Bechtel executives: Caspar Weinberger and George Shultz, serving as Secretary of Defense and Secretary of State respectively.

    So where are the Jews in all of this…other than Cap Weinberger…whose father was Jewish but not his mother who was of English descent…so he does not actually count as a Jew…

    There is a far bigger link to KSA and other GCC oil monarchies…than to Israel…

    And what about the other big privately held companies…number one, Cargill is in food…so is no, 3 Albertson’s…and nos. 6 and 7… Mars and Publix…so is no 10, C&S Wholesale Grocers…

    That’s Five out of the top ten…

    Think about that for a minute…FOOD…the stuff that keeps you alive…

    Are the Jews behind all of these powerful companies who now have a stranglehold over the food supply of the people…?

    This is exactly the kind of important detail that go unnoticed because a lot of noisemakers are just beating the shit out of the ‘Jew conspiracy’ treadmill…

    Wake up folks…

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @geokat62
  209. @FB

    FB: “There are only a handful of Jewish Senators.”

    (Zigh) Maybe FB will give dumb goyim a tally of how many Jewish Lobbies there are, and have taken control of US Senate?

    To all:

    Please look at article below which displays a deal afoot which, in the syilted vision of FB, may warrant an American-Israeli-Saud Family attack upon Qatar? Maybe Iraq’s oil ministry will need a violent strike like the Chinese embassy in Belgrade got back in Spring 1999?

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/12/13/iraq-oil-ministry-qatar-petroleum-interested-in-investing-in-iraqs-energy-sector/

  210. FB says:
    @Anonymous

    I didn’t mention WMDs

    No but the citations you linked to talked all about it…

    In the few weeks before its fall, Iraq’s Ba’athist regime made a series of increasingly desperate peace offers to Washington, promising to hold elections and even to allow US troops to search for banned weapons.

    As for Gaddafi…your link said this…

    Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi will resign and leave the country on condition that he and his family receive guarantees they will not be harmed…

    How exactly does this rebut my point about why they were targeted in the first place…?

    …ie the fact that Saddam was dumping the petrodollar and Gaddafi likewise…and in fact spearheading a pan-African alternative to the dollar for trade…

    Your argument and that of others here is that the real reason for Iraq and Libya invasions was in the cause of the Greater Israel [aka Oded Yinon plan]…

    Fine…I’m not saying Israel did not benefit from these US actions…but that does not mean that Greater Israel plan was the driving force behind this…

    I have posted here already a first-hand account from Michael Hudson as to the US policy regarding the petrodollar…what he was told in person at WH meetings…

    ‘…After the U.S. quadrupled its grain export prices shortly after the 1971 gold suspension, the oil-exporting countries quadrupled their oil prices…

    I was informed at a White House meeting that U.S. diplomats had let Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries know that they could charge as much as they wanted for their oil, but that the United States would treat it as an act of war not to keep their oil proceeds in U.S. dollar assets…’

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/11/29/monetary-imperialism/

    You can ignore reality if you wish…nothing I can do about that…

  211. druid says:
    @Anonymous

    Those were not “Muslims”. They were ISIS and they apologized because they mistakenly bombed their supporters and benefactors in Israel! Had to keep the money flowing!

  212. FB to Anonymous: “You can ignore reality if you wish…nothing I can do about that… ”

    But, but…, can FB ignore the reality of post-Iraqi “liberation” and Exxon-Mobil getting magically awarded rights to (top shelf) Iraq oil from the Saddam-less puppet government?

    Looks like The Friends of Greater Israel gave Rex Tillerson’s corporation quite a consolation prize, eh?

    Of course Dick Cheney’s Halliburton also got a sweet no-bid contract to rebuild the damaged oilfield storage & transfer infrastructure.

    (Zigh) Is there really any mystery as to why the current Iraqi oil ministry look to deal with Qatar and Iran instead of the forked tongue American-Israeli Empire?

    Selah Paul Simon, “The goyim see what we want them to see and disregard the rest.”

  213. @FB

    FB; “The Koch family are not Jewish.”

    Okay, but that factor did not stop a (ZUSA) judge from letting the brothers keep the $21 million they made from participating in Bernie Madoff’s incredible Ponzi scheme.

    Refer to article, below.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/koch-brothers-can-keep-earnings-from-madoffs-ponzi-scheme-judge-says-2016-11

    • Replies: @FB
  214. @Incitatus

    InZitatus: “Need one say more?”

    (Zigh) Uh…, yes, InZit. I will.

    No one in-the-know need say “more” regarding Rumsfeld’s scary & unaccountable report about the Pentagon missing trillions, announced on the day before 9/11.

    https://www.wanttoknow.info/050310pentagontrillionslost

    Selah, if you see something crooked, say something to someone equally crooked.

  215. geokat62 says:
    @FB

    There is no mention of exponential economic growth in that McDonald paragraph you cited…

    Indeed. But if you read it carefully you would have noticed an important word that starts with the letter “d.”

  216. geokat62 says:
    @FB

    Wake up folks…

    Don’t you really mean “go back to sleep, folks”?

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski, Zumbuddi
    • LOL: L.K
    • Replies: @L.K
    , @iffen
  217. L.K says:
    @geokat62

    Does this moron FB even realize he is writing his old, lame & already totally refuted talking points, in the comment section under, of all people, Phillip Giraldi?

    Then again we do know how Giraldi does attract large numbers of zionist shills and gate-keeping trolls.

    Geokat to FB: “Don’t you really mean “go back to sleep, folks”?”

    LOL… that or bore us to death!

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  218. FB says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Chuck…you seem like a well-meaning guy…and certainly not in the same hair-on-fire category as some of the fellows here…

    You mentioned the Madoff Ponzi scheme…

    But guess what…mathematically a Ponzi scheme is exactly the same thing as compound interest…and perpetual economic growth…

    I have repeatedly pointed to wiki link on exponential math…which under the heading ‘Finance’…lists two items…compound interest and Ponzi schemes…

    And under the heading ‘Economics’ says…

    ‘Economic growth is expressed in percentage terms, implying exponential growth.’

    Have a look at this graph showing how exponential growth works…

    Notice that the green curve starts out quite flat and innocuous…but then reaches a point where it shoots skyward…

    Yet compound interest is extolled by our corporate plutocracy…Warren Buffet calls it the ‘magic’ of compound interest…but it is just as unsustainable as a Ponzi scheme…

    Where does that money come from to pay the interest that comes due the next year…?

    More money must be created…that means more growth in the economy…that means more people coming to these shores…

    Because there is no other way to keep this Ponzi scheme going

    A lot of the herd here thinks that solving their imaginary ‘Jew problem’ is going to solve everything…

    Not so…I challenge anyone here to show me how…even without a single Jew on the planet…that this Ponzi scheme on which our economy is built is going to keep going…

    Madoff kept his scheme going for thirty years…that’s one guy…the entire US has been keeping it going for much longer because they have hugely more resources than one guy and can fool a lot more people…

    But it will end…

    You cannot argue with the law of gravity…now matter how much you try…you are not going to will yourself to float to the ceiling…

    The US empire is coming to an end with the Petrodollar…I have already talked about this…the global oil trade is 14 trillion a year…even at today’s relatively low oil price…

    Then there are all the other commodities and goods that are traded in US dollars…which means every country needs to keep dollar reserves…

    China exports to the US hundreds of billions of dollars of goods…and the US forces them to take worthless US paper money…no other country can do this…

    It means every country needs to buy US debt…ie Treasury Bonds and such…this is called free money…

    But what happens when all of this comes crashing down…?

    Venezuela already is selling its oil in anything other than dollars…because anyone who deals in dollars makes themselves vulnerable to US sanctions…

    This was the case with Iran…and even Russia to some extent was affected by the sanctions against it…although they have adeptly avoided any real hurt and have actually placed cocunter-sanctions that have stimulated their own domestic output…

    China is also the biggest oil importer in the world…And the Saudis supply a lot of it…the Chinese have given the Saudis only so much time to sell their oil in yuan…or else…who do you think is going to buckle…?

    The only thing that is keeping China from pulling the plug on the dollar is that it has three trillion dollars in US paper…

    But even this is not going to last…China can start trading US paper for real commodities [including oil and gas and also things like gold, metals, even wheat etc...]

    Selling off their dollar paper bit by bit to avoid a dollar crash and their paper turning worthless…

    As for exports to the US…there will also come a day when China is not going to care about sacrificing those…their domestic consumer base is already huge…bigger than the US…they can dump the US like a bad habit…at the time of their own choosing…

    We need only look to history to see what is coming…remember the Opium Wars…?

    ‘…In the 17th and 18th centuries demand for Chinese goods (particularly silk, porcelain, and tea) in Europe created a trade imbalance between Qing Imperial China and Great Britain.

    European silver flowed into China through the Canton System, which confined incoming foreign trade to the southern port city of Canton.

    To counter this imbalance, the British East India Company began to auction opium grown in India to independent foreign traders in exchange for silver…’

    The Chinese aren’t dumb…they demanded silver for their tea and porcelain…today they take soon-to-be worthless US paper…how long is that going to go on…?

    …’Continued economic expansion in 17th and 18th century Europe increased the European demand for precious metals, raising prices and reducing the supply of bullion available for trade in China.

    The British Great Recoinage of 1816 coupled with the adoption of the gold standard in 1821 resulted in the empire minting silver shillings, further reducing the availability of silver for trade in Asia.

    The decline in silver supplies sapped the ability of European merchants to purchase Chinese goods, which remained in high demand.

    Merchants were no longer able to sustain the China trade purely through profits made by selling Chinese goods in the west and were forced to take bullion out of circulation in Europe to buy goods in China.

    This angered governments and fostered a great deal of animosity towards the Chinese…’

    The British had to buy silver from Portuguese mines in Brazil…in order to pay for Chinese tea…

    ‘…The perpetual expenditure of British bullion on Chinese products limited the amount of currency in British circulation, weakening the domestic economy, preventing economic growth and causing deflation…’

    So the British went to war against China to force it to buy its opium that Britain was growing at its plantations in India…

    That’s the way things work…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War#Trade_philosophy_and_policy

    Jews had nothing to do with Britain’s demand for tea…nor its inability to get enough silver to pay for it…

    The Chinese well remember the humiliation that was forced on them by the British…millions of Chinese became opium addicts so that the British Empire could have its cake and eat it…

    It’s the same way today…only the pendulum is swinging in the other direction…

    Quite amazingly…the Chinese have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps…soon, together with Russia and the other BRICS countries they will bury the US dollar system of world trade…

    …because it hurts everybody except the US…and even in the US these spoils are not being shared with the people…who are being thrown crumbs…

    The US dollar system is living on borrowed time…that’s the long and short of it…

    The only thing the US has left is its military…but its not able to take on Russia and China…that’s a pipe dream…

    So the ‘Jew question’ is irrelevant…the big question is what comes after the dollar crash…?

    What’s the US going to do when it turns into a third world country overnight…?

    The entire US establishment is living in a fantasy that this can go on forever…they are deluded…

  219. FB says:
    @FB

    Correction on the exponential math graph…

    The exponential growth line is red not green…

    That’s how our ‘economic’ system is designed to work…

    What happens when we reach that point on the graph where that red curve shoots skyward…?

    It’s not sustainable…hence the massive immigration…and all the other manipulations we see…

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @iffen
  220. @Rurik

    “And even then the American people rose up against bombing Syria, all the lies notwithstanding, and said NO!”
    While I do not contest the reaction of the American people, let us look at the global picture here to understand why Obama’s war against Syria was thwarted.
    IMHO, I think those who did not want the U.S. to put a quick and decisive end to the war in Syria were the Israelis. It has always been a standard Isreali policy to consider as part of their private domain the counties of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Egypt. When the U.S. ventured into Lebanon in 1982/1983, the American administration had in mind to put some permanent basis in Lebanon. This aim dissipated after two suicidal attacks against the American Embassy in early 1893 and against the American Marines barrack and the French Legionaires barrack in late 1983. Both attacks were executed by the Old Hezbollah which was at the time an Isreali creation headed by one Subhi Al Tofaily, who was an Israeli agent or patsy. These two attacks were another version of USS Liberty intended for the sole purpose of getting rid of U.S. presence in Lebanon.
    The Zionist controlled U.S. media’s coverage of the American public’s opposition to an American involvement in Syria was very much hyped up by the Zionist media to keep the Americans forces at bay. This would allow the Isrealis to prolong the war in Syria and destroy whatever was left of this country and proceed with their hidden aim of a Greater Israel. So yes indeed there was a public opposition to the war against Syria but the war did not happen out of deference to the American public but due to Israel’s influence on the U.S.
    Back to the eighties, the tables were turned against Isreal with the new Hizbollah that came into existence after Iran realised what the Isreali game of creating radical Islamic movements ( Hamas and Hizbollah) was meant to further divide the Middle Eastern societies along sectarian lines. So the Iranians staged a coup against the first Hizbollah leader and replaced him by the implacable Al Mussawi who started a guerrilla warfare against the Israeli occupation of Lebanon, was subsequently assassinated by the Israelis, to be replaced by the current Hassan Nasrullah who managed to get the Israelis out of Lebanon in 2000 and to inflict a humiliating defeat against the Isreali Offense Forces in 2006.
    So you may ask what is the relevance of this historic recount of the Middle East; well, all that has been mentioned above proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the only language that could yield a desirable result when negotiating with Isrealis, is the language of force. Since the American government is owned stock, lock and barrel by the Zionists, I very much doubt that soft opposition by the American public would yield any result. I think most Americans are too insouciant and comfortable to really put a hardheaded resistance to their government’s Imperial wars of choice. May be when, and not if, the U.S. economy collapses as a result of the unprecedented monetary policy of the Zionist Federal Reserve Bank, Americans having lost almost everything will be in a more rebellious mode. Yet, even in such a scenario we can never underestimate the resolve of the dogs of the establishment whom I would suspect will not hesitate to declare martial law and turn their heavy guns against their own population. Heck, if the father of the nation George Washington did it during the so called Whiskey Rebellion, then the far less principled current leaders of the deep state and the shadow government will not hesitate to shed the blood of their citizens.

    “((They)) control our money supply. And that means they control our media, our universities and our courts and have insinuated themselves over our police departments and even, (as I’ve just been pointing out) our churches.”
    Nice summary to a very true and sad fact. What hurts most is their control of the Catholic Church that is supposed to be last bastion of resistance. Seeing how the church leaders tow the Holocaust line tells so much about how much cowardice and corruption have permeated the church whose initiators were all martyred for the sake of their beliefs.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Rurik
  221. “I have to say that all this anti-Jewish talk here is IMO off the mark…”
    This knotty question of who is the ultimate culprit, the PTB or the Zionist Jews, is an issue that can take far more space than this site provides.
    While the PTB have almost everybody convinced of their ubiquitous power and ruthlessness, the PTB is still an invisible empire that works its evil ways through accessories. What is undusputable is that Zionism is the most powerful arm of the PTB and it is visible.
    To be fair to your interlocutors, I would highly recommend to listen at YouTube to the speech of an insider in the world of Zionism, Mr. Benjamin Freedman at the Willard Hotel in 1961. While this speech will not resolve the egg or chicken first of PTB vs Zionism, it sheds a lot of light on the historic context of the two biggest calamities in the history of mankind, WWI and WWII, which should definitely help the reader understand how the current world’s predicament came to be.

  222. Rurik says:
    @Joe Levantine

    Hello Joe,

    [this is sort of a test post. The last few posts I wrote I couldn't get the site to publish. I figured the mods were sending me a polite message that I'm wasting too much of my time here, and to go accomplish something]

    so test…

    These two attacks were another version of USS Liberty intended for the sole purpose of getting rid of U.S. presence in Lebanon

    I’d never before considered the angle that the USS Liberty is a deliberate act, sort of telling the US to GTFO. Interesting slant on that.

    it could be the marine barracks in Lebanon too, now that you mention it. But I’d always figured the Israeli’s wanted the ZUS in their theaters of war, to do the killing, (and in particular the dying, if any was going to be done)

    So now I’ll consider those events under this new possibility.

    For the record, I do think they often commit their crimes/assassinations in the open as a message to others. Like Michael Hastings of Seth Rich. Or Jorg Haider, Danny Jawenko and others.

    Perhaps they do want to broadcast their willingness to assassinate and torture. Perhaps letting those pictures of Abu Ghraib go public was part of their agenda to morally terrorize the Iraqi people into submission. Same the news of droned weddings and other of their serial atrocities.

    More food for thought Joe.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Joe Levantine
  223. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    O. M.frickin’ G!!!

    Browder on C-Span Washington Journal.

    Counting the Lies per second. complete w obligatory Hitler Munich agreements

    SHAME on Steve Scilly and the numb nuts who called in to slobber all over Browde

  224. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Another neo-Nazi identifier bites the dust.

    (Nazis don’t have a sense of humor.)

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @iffen
  225. Rurik says:
    @Joe Levantine

    OK, my last comment seemed to work, so..

    Since the American government is owned stock, lock and barrel by the Zionists, I very much doubt that soft opposition by the American public would yield any result. I think most Americans are too insouciant and comfortable to really put a hardheaded resistance to their government’s Imperial wars of choice

    and lied to Joe!

    please don’t forget that one.

    also not all Americans are comfortable. Many are, it’s true, but scores of millions of Americans are desperately struggling to get by. Single moms, young people and working class folks who’re two paychecks away from the street. They don’t have the luxury of taking the red pill, as they’re too busy trying to keep the electricity on and food on the table.

    And is the rest of the world that much more informed and more to the point, outspoken against the serial wars of the ZUSA? Canada too is involved with these wars, where are their mass-protests?

    Their uber-liberal leader Trudeau only had fine things to say about Trump when he sent those Tomahawks into Syria.

    Obama said on September 17 that Australia will send military advisers to Iraq.

    the United Kingdom would help arm Kurdish forces,

    France has contributed 18,000 rounds of .50-caliber ammunition in the fight against ISIS, a senior U.S. State Department official told reporters Sunday during a background briefing. It’s protocol for officials giving the information not to be quoted by name. France’s air force was also part of a recent operation in the Iraqi town of Amerli that pushed back ISIS fighters

    German paratroopers are offering training in the overall effort to fight ISIS.

    On Sunday, State Department officials also called out Italy, Poland, Denmark, Albania and Croatia for providing equipment and ammunition in the fight against ISIS

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/14/world/meast/isis-coalition-nations/index.html

    and lets not forget it was France that led the air campaign to bomb Libya into the stone age.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/france-airstrike-libya-2011-3

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/middleeast/france-announces-raqqa-airstrikes-on-isis/index.html

    were, are any of these countries invited in by the legitimate governments?

    Is France in Syria at the behest of the Syrian government?

    Or in violation of every known precept of International Law?

    And if so, why is it only the American truck driver and construction worker and waitress who’re expected to put an end to these wars?

    why not the Brits and the French and the Germans? If their nations are participating in the war on terror, and are involved with the conflict in a military context, even if in a symbolic gesture, then that gesture is taken as a moral sanctification for what the ZUSA is doing.

    where are the protests on the streets of Paris and demands for France to desist it’s illegal bombing of a sovereign nation?

    it isn’t only the American people that are lied to, and who are not positioned to do much about these horrors. That doesn’t mean that (many of) the American people aren’t pathetic, cud-chewing, bovine sheep, willing to send their sons and daughters off to die in wars based on lies, but rather that being a cud-chewing, bovine sheep isn’t limited just to Americans.

    And that if people are effectively lied to (from virtually every single outlet of news and information available to them), then you can’t blame them all for not knowing the truth.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  226. Rurik says:
    @Rurik

    I figured the mods were sending me a polite message

    I see a post I made to S2C two days ago finally published just now. (post 161)

    so now I don’t know what to think. Is it a glitch, or am I being gently cajoled to find another hobby

    Mods, if you want, just give it to me straight.

    Rurik, you’re lowering the tenor of this otherwise respectable Webzine with your puerile twaddle. Please desist and just go away

    perhaps ?

    I can take it ;)

    • Replies: @Rurik
  227. @FB

    Thus Spake Zara-FB: “Not so…I challenge anyone here to show me how…even without a single Jew on the planet…that this Ponzi scheme on which our economy is built is going to keep going…”

    Hey FB,

    There is a puffed-up Jew here at The U.R. who regularly comments and his screen-name is Sam Shama.

    He is a true-Debt believer in the “Ponzi scheme” which you so articulately described and I keep faith the Maven will appear to “challenge” you.

    Perhaps I’m mistaken, but in the past, I believe that Maven Shama and you were within one another’s Amen Corner. Please let me know, ?

    Final matter? I understand why commenters here passed over the issue of Secretary Rumsfeld’s 9/10/2001 cryptic announcement about the Pentagon’s trillions of dollars, M.I.A.?

    Do you think Rumsfeld was either drinking or recollecting a “pipe dream?” (Zigh) More likely, Jewish-Federal Reserve “shit happens.”

    Happy holidayZ.

  228. @iffen

    Hey little-iffen-iffen,

    Maybe some Nazi’s didn’t have a “sense of humor.”

    But those who were put on trial for War Crimes must have had a gallows-laugh at the deviate sponsors of “Operation Paperclip.”

  229. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Trudeau only had fine things to say about Trump when he sent those Tomahawks into Syria.

    I often visit pro-Trump Internet gathering places and that particular bombing didn’t impress them – at all. They don’t want those wars and, more importantly, they don’t want those Jewish wars. Everything is changing. Whoever thinks that the Western Right consists of bloodthirsty interventionists is way off base.

    That being said, our domestic enemies are living on borrowed time. Like I said: everything is changing.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  230. Rurik says:
    @Anonymous

    our domestic enemies are living on borrowed time.

    at least for one of them, this rings true

    http://www.newsweek.com/john-mccain-brain-cancer-how-long-does-someone-typically-live-glioblastoma-748956

    Like I said: everything is changing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  231. FB says:

    Chuck…yes I remember Shama recently applauding one of my posts…

    I looked up some of his posting history and was dismayed to see an obvious Israeli troll…

    My position on Israel is clear…

    1. It has been legally recognized in its pre-1967 borders and is a UN member state under such borders…[btw...the Soviet Union was the first to recognize Israel...US then jumped in...Russia also provided crucial early military support to the Jewish state including quietly supplying WARPAC aircraft through the Czechs...the US and West did none of that until much later]

    2. Israel is not entitled to one inch more than its 1967 borders…settlements must be dismantled and settlers must go home…as per Geneva convention against occupying power moving its own civilian population into occupied territories…plus numerous UNSC resolutions…[which are binding on all UN member states...ie it is the highest law on earth...]

    3. Palestinans forced from the land and homes in the Naqba of 1948…have the legal right of return as enshrined in international law…

    Any ‘negotiation’ between the Palestinians and Israel on a ‘final settlement’ must center on the timetable on which Israel carries out points 1 through 3…

    There can be no issue of negotiating one square inch of Palestinian land…nor one single Palestinian ousted in the Genocide of 1948 to return to Israel…

    These are non-negotiable…

    The only reason this justice has not been served to date is because the US props up Israel…and they can therefore simply do what they want…

    Without US support Israel would have to eventually concede to a settlement based on the above three points…

    I additionally note that the legal territory of Israel [ie its pre-1967 borders]…is actually a lot bigger than the UN decided in 1947…which was to be a 55/45 split…with Israel getting the larger share…

    This was UN General Assembly Resolution 181(II)…

    Unfortunately…UNGA resolutions are not legally binding …only UNSC resolutions are binding…

    So we have an Israel that took advantage in the early stages of the unfolding events…taking advantage also of the sympathy for Jews after WW2…especially the Russians who liberated Auschwitz…[the Americans did not actually care that much and anti-Jewish sentiment was much stronger in the US than in Russia...but people forget that...]

    Nevertheless…eggs have been broken and the omelette is made…the legal situation is clear…Israel is entitled to not one inch more than its 1967 borders…to which Israel is indisputably also legally entitled…there can be no talk of Israel’s ‘right to exist…’

    Palestinians get the rest…plus the right of return of Palestinians driven from Israel proper in 1948 Nabka…

    My position on this has been crystal clear…and you can check my posting history here to see that…

    As for the bigger question…the ‘chicken and egg’ conundrum as Joe Levantine has put it in his very realistic posts here…to quote Joe…

    ‘…This knotty question of who is the ultimate culprit, the PTB or the Zionist Jews, is an issue that can take far more space than this site provides.

    While the PTB have almost everybody convinced of their ubiquitous power and ruthlessness, the PTB is still an invisible empire that works its evil ways through accessories.

    What is indisputable is that Zionism is the most powerful arm of the PTB and it is visible…’

    This is absolute realism and I applaud that…

    What I don’t applaud is the Neo-Nazi stance that many here have embraced…number one it is foolish to glorify the fool Hitler…who lost the war against Russia…and destroyed Germany…

    …and even more important…paved the way for the US empire of evil to take over the world…including its machinations with Israel…

    This is Hitler’s legacy…

    As for Joe’s question…I agree that it is a ‘knotty’ issue…

    However…even here we can apply some simple logic…

    Let’s first review what we do know…

    1. The US support for Israel and the power of the Israel lobby is huge…

    2. Israel and Netanyahu in particular have shown themselves quite contemptuous of the US…

    So does that mean that the US is an Israeli puppet…?

    Or that the Israelis know that the US needs Israel more than Israel needs the US…?

    Think about that for a minute…

    Back in 1967 we had the USS Liberty incident…it was the POTUS that hushed that up…back then the Israeli lobby was tiny compared to today…the Holocaust industry was not even up and running…then why did the US PTB do that…?

    It speaks to a desperate US desire to keep Israel in its camp…

    Israel even today knows it can ditch the US…it is quite strong on its own and can always turn to Russia…which has always been sympathetic to Israel…although in a much more honest way, especially regarding intl law…

    So Israel can sit back and make outrageous demands of the US…knowing that the US knows full well that Israel can just say ‘see ya’ at any time…

    But what is the US excuse for going along with that…?

    Logic points to only one answer…the US needs Israel desperately…for the continuation of its increasingly fragile empire…

    That’s just a logical question…it provides no proof in and of itself…but it is one that should be considered…

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @ChuckOrloski
    , @ANON
    , @Anon
  232. “What I don’t applaud is the Neo-Nazi stance that many here have embraced…number one it is foolish to glorify the fool Hitler… ”

    FB,

    I am pleased you clarified where you stand on Israeli control of the US. Naturally, I was suspicious

    Decades ago, I watched TV series “The Fugitive.” The show featured good cops and their pursuit of the wrong perpetrator, until of course the ending. A few fairly articulate hasbarists here at U.R. specialize in the Mossad-art of “wink / nod” and persuade dumb goyim to place grievance-blame everywhere but for the manifold (US?) Jewish Lobbies.

    (Zigh)

    Otherwise, I concur that Israel can ditch the “increasingly fragile” American-Israeli Empire.

    But for now, Greater Israel needs the big ZUSA military arsenal at it’s back. Target Iran!!!

    In the meantime, as you know, the “ditching” is begun!

    Elite Jews plan ahead for the Asian Century, eastward “pivot,” and a day that the Chinese permit Goldman Sachs Group to do untethered investment in China’s huge homeland (consumer market).

    With leveraged faith that you’re not an elite magician, Thank You!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  233. Rurik says:
    @FB

    Israel even today knows it can ditch the US…it is quite strong on its own and can always turn to Russia…which has always been sympathetic to Israel…although in a much more honest way, especially regarding intl law…

    So Israel can sit back and make outrageous demands of the US…knowing that the US knows full well that Israel can just say ‘see ya’ at any time…

    pure bullshit

    You are right tho about a few things, like the absolute right of return for the Palestinians, and some other points you made.

    I don’t think people adore Hitler so much for his hubris, as lament it. Because Germany’s fall was the lamentation of Eastern Europe and Russia, which languished under a Bolshevik boot for so terribly long following that evil, Jewish war.

    I’ve perused some of the comments, and want to thank those who’ve replied to me, as you have as well.

    But there are some points that should be nailed down. Like the issue of mass immigration and the motivations for it. Yes, the Republicans at the Club for Growth and other demonic organization are interested in immigration for purely Moloch-like reasons. But the Jewish motivation is quite simple and obvious. Many Jews hate white Christians with a netherworld psychosis, and consider them all potential, dormant Nazis and want to see them driven into the dirt by hoards of millions of non-whites flooding into their lands and transforming and mongrelizing their identity for all time. Duh.

    Which is the same reason they starved millions of Ukrainians to death, because those Ukrainians were ‘Nazis’ even before the Germans were. Proud, strong, intelligent white Christians who made the Jews feel bad about themselves by comparison. And so as we all know with there is no offense more heinous than making someone feel bad about themselves. Envy in other words.

    And this is why we’re all slated for annihilation, because of how we make these people feel about themselves.

    Obviously not all Jews, and certainly not only Jews. BLM, SPLC, La Raza, SJW and so many others are driven to near madness with envy. And that is the reason they promote immigration, because they hate whitey with an insane obsession, and want to see him given the Zimbabwe, S. Africa treatment, and tout de suite!

    as for the JQ, the reason people harbor a fondness for the Nazis and Hitler is because the same f0rces that menaced Germany, are the same forces that menace us all today.

    the serial economic and moral turpitude of the Weimar regime is all too obvious today, in the modern day Weimar regime that is the zio-west today.

    when international Jewry declared war on Germany in the thirties, they used their ill-gotten power of the purse to threaten Germany with destruction, the same way that today they’re doing all they can to destroy the entire Western world. Duh.

    just look all around you. Everywhere you see Western nations reeling under a coordinated assault by the globalist, Central banking interests in Brussels, London and NYC and elsewhere. Demanding the entire western world commit suicide.

    all of this stuff is obvious if you look at it honestly

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  234. @FB

    FB’s question, below, & diplomatic request for a response:

    “So does that mean that the US is an Israeli puppet…?
    Or that the Israelis know that the US needs Israel more than Israel needs the US…?”

    This question does not require a neo-Rosetta Stone finding for even caveman dumb goyim to answer.

    My answer: There is no space between Israel and the ill perceived US government. So deciding upon which “needs” which is a cunning Zio game where I must fold ‘em.

  235. Zumbuddi says:
    @FB

    tl,dnr

    From the bit I did read, you at talking about, in fact extolling usury. Are you Sam ‘debt is good Krugman-Shama’s sockpuppet?

    Mike Jones explored the cycle of conflicts between Jews (ya, that dreaded category) & Catholic church.

    Check it out.
    Barren Metal
    YouTube on RedIce

  236. To All,

    In comment # 241, FB seems perplexed about the relationship involving Israel and ZUSA. (Zigh) He wonders which “needs” the other more. Hm. Do the clouds need rain more than the rain needs clouds?

    Below is an article which could raise a sincere & potentially anwserable question as to billionaire Sheldon Adelson and Donald Trump.

    http://lobelog.com/trumps-biggest-donor-pushed-for-jerusalem-embassy-move/

    For me, a fair question is, “who needed the other more in order to get the ZUSA embassy moved to Jerusalem?”

    (Zigh) The lobelog article suggests, uh…, a “Bad Moon Rising.”

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @Zumbuddi
  237. Anon-og says:

    hmmmmm………

    In the 21st century, benefitting from the advantages offered them by the Falklands War Treaty, the United Kingdom and Israël are now setting up a new project Patagonia.
    British billionaire Joe Lewis has acquired immense territories in the South of Argentina and even neighbouring Chile. His properties cover areas several times larger than the State of Israël. They are situated in Tierra del Fuego, at the extreme Southern point of the continent. In particular, they surround the Lago Escondido, which effectively denies access to the entire region, despite a legal injunction.
    The billionaire has built a private airport with a two kilometre landing strip, in order to be able to receive civil and military aircraft.
    Since the Falklands War, the Israëli army has been organising « holiday camps » (sic) in Patagonia for its soldiers. Between 8,000 and 10,000 of them now come every year to spend two weeks on Joe Lewis’ land.
    While in the 1970’s, the Argentinian army noted the construction of 25,000 empty houses, which gave rise to the myth of the Andinia Plan, hundreds of thousands have been built today.
    It is impossible to verify the state of the construction work, since these are private lands, and Google Earth has neutralised the satellite photographs of the area, just as it does with NATO’s military installations.
    Neighbouring Chile has handed over a submarine base to Israël. Tunnels have been dug in order to survive the polar winter.

    “It is impossible for the moment to determine if Israël is engaged in a programme for the exploitation of Antarctica, or if it is building a rear base in case of defeat in Palestine.”

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article198968.html

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Zumbuddi
  238. @FB

    “I have to say that all this anti-Jewish talk here is IMO off the mark…”
    This knotty question of who is the ultimate culprit, the PTB or the Zionist Jews, is an issue that can take far more space than this site provides.
    While the PTB have almost everybody convinced of their ubiquitous power and ruthlessness, the PTB is still an invisible empire that works its evil ways through accessories. What is undusputable is that Zionism is the most powerful arm of the PTB and it is visible.
    To be fair to your interlocutors, I would highly recommend to listen at YouTube to the speech of an insider in the world of Zionism, Mr. Benjamin Freedman at the Willard Hotel in 1961. While this speech will not resolve the egg or chicken first of PTB vs Zionism, it sheds a lot of light on the historic context of the two biggest calamities in the history of mankind, WWI and WWII, which should definitely help the reader understand how the current world’s predicament came to be.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @FB
  239. @Rurik

    Rurik: “the reason people harbor a fondness for the Nazis and Hitler is because the same f0rces that menaced Germany, are the same forces that menace us all today.”

    In addition, those multi-millions of The Departed from the Vodzh’s menacing variety of purges would likely say “Da” and agree with your wise words, above.

    Today, Russian Orthodox display fondness for anti-Bolshevik martyrs and the late-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s memories.

    Many have fondness for Vladimir Putin.

    Thanks and Happy Advent, Rurik!

    Selah “Eternal Memory.”

    • Replies: @Rurik
  240. @Anon-og

    Selah Patagonia Here They Come!

  241. goy says:

    what a bummer, !, but when one clearly sees that the jewish us govt is a parasitic growth; working for their own survival and well-being, while intentionally wishing to harm, impoverish, and exploit the american people, then it all makes sense.

  242. iffen says:
    @iffen

    an obvious Israeli troll…

    Sam is not a troll. He is a Jewish American who defends Israel (when he believes Israel is in the right) against the attacks of the assorted neo-Nazis and anti-Semites that comment here.

    Israel expanded into a remnant of the Ottoman Empire; there was no “Palestinian State” and likely never will be. The Palestinians are no more likely to keep a “State” together than the Lebanese.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  243. Zumbuddi says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    thought crumbs
    1 Nannon told Values Voters, with its large portion of evangelicals, that Trump would move embassy to J-town.

    2. A lot of evangelicals are Black w/ Black women esp. fervent supporters of Israel.

    3. Bannon ran the Moore strategy.

    4. Moore lost due to large # Black female votes for Jones —actually, against Moore but REALLY anti-Trump.

    5. Soros & other Big Jews have been paying Blacks to be anti Trump.

    SO — Did Bannon promise Jerusalem, and Trump fulfill the promise, to please Jews & evangelicals, & do the deed just at that time to get Moore vote, which other Big Jews undermined by mobilizing Black women?

    Stab in the back?

  244. Zumbuddi says:
    @Anon-og

    Thanks for posting this important information, depressing as the devil, though.

  245. @peterAUS

    Agreed that for many (most?) Americans the major issue they have with war is that they don’t get to take part in the plunder of the spoils. One of Trump’s complaints was that America didn’t take enough of Iraq’s oil wealth when it had the chance. (The people who say Trump is or was anti-war are ignoring his supplication to all things military and his open admiration of the various military goons he has invited into his junta of an administration.)

    Americans have never experienced the horror and terror of war…the kind their government regularly unleashes on select “enemy” nations. They simply have no idea what that does to people…physically and psychologically. This is why war does not really bother Americans on a deeply emotional and intuitive level. What concern there is is reserved for “what’s in it for me?” and “our boys”…the mass slaughter of “gooks” and “hajis” and the annihilation of their cities, infrastructure and social fabric does not bother them much at all. Americans, and citizen of the other Western “coalition” countries, are told their weapons are “surgical” and “precise” and spare civilian lives. The death and carnage of war is never shown on TV. It is very easy for citizens of the war mongering West to believe in convenient fictions and wash their hands of all responsibility for the death and destruction unleashed in their name.

    The West, led by the USA, has been waging war without consequences. They have gotten used to this unusual, and unnatural, state of affairs. Witness the outrage over the 1983 bombing of the Beirut barracks in which some 240 marines were killed. Fighting back against the invading West is “terrorism”. One thing the West has no stomach for is high casualties among “our boys”. Hence the panic about a rerun of Vietnam where the death and suffering of the (literally) boys was shoen on TV for all Americans to gape at.

    This fear of consequences and mass death is the West’s Achilles heel. Because sooner or later there will be an enemy that is able to strike back and hit the “homeland” or take out significant numbers of soldiers, sailors and marines. Then, and only then, will American citizens and their counterparts in sycophant and allied nations turn against war at a gut instinct level

    @PeterAUS: Your “reality based” analysis is much appreciated. It dispenses with much of the psychological projections and wishful thinking that get in the way of maintaining clarity. Keep it up! We should not shy away from facing uncomfortable truths and the fact that the Empire likely has a ways to go before it begins to collapse in earnest.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
  246. @Joe Levantine

    Friedman’s speech…”it sheds a lot of light on the historic context of the two biggest calamities in the history of mankind, WWI and WWII, which should definitely help the reader understand how the current world’s predicament came to be.”

    Agree, Joe Levantine!

    We now need a Brother Nathanael speech on how the fuck could the Zio Corporate Media can continue targeting Russia for “interfering” in the US presidential elections when Israel had it rigged prior to the first American consumer-citizen having cast a vote.

    Danke.

  247. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    Tell us more about Hitler’s foolishness and how Hitler destroyed Germany.

    You seem to have a lot of knowledge about aerial weapons. What weapons did Hitler’s air force use to bomb German cities and incinerate 600,000 German civilians?

    What in the world were German soldiers thinking when they raped and brutalized their own women their own mothers, sisters, daughters?

    Was Hitler “foolish” to resist Jewish-initiated war on Germany, intended to destroy already struggling German economy, or was he doing what a good leader MUST do?

    Was Hitler “foolish” to lead Germany to recovery and revitalization?

    Was Hitler “foolish” to ATTEMPT to prevent Communists from taking over Germany and Europe?

    Please explain “Hitler’s foolishness.”

    If one is judged “foolish” for losing a war, then who is the USA “fool” who lost Vietnam, and who the “fool” that continues to lose in Agghanistan, Iraq, Syria?

    • Replies: @FB
  248. iffen says:
    @FB

    Correction on the exponential math graph…
    The exponential growth line is red not green…

    Yeah, often times economics has similar problems.

    • Replies: @FB
  249. FB says:
    @Joe Levantine

    Joe…I looked up the Freedman speech…

    I did not listen to the whole thing…nor do I intend to…as the opening remarks from the person doing the introduction was so full of ridiculous US mythology…

    …about ‘freedom’ [yeah right…tell that to the ‘colored’ folks of 1961 who were still getting lynched…

    …about the ‘communist conspiracy’…etc..[while the US had on the table since 1956…declassified only recently…a plan to nuke 1,200 Russian and Societ-bloc cities in a first-strike…

    ‘…U.S. Cold War Nuclear Target Lists Declassified for First Time

    According to 1956 Plan, H-Bombs were to be Used Against Priority “Air Power” Targets in the Soviet Union, China, and Eastern Europe

    Major Cities in Soviet Bloc, Including East Berlin, Were High Priorities in “Systematic Destruction” for Atomic Bombings

    Plans to Target People (“Population”) Violated International Legal Norms

    SAC Wanted a 60 Megaton Bomb, Equivalent to over 4,000 Hiroshima Atomic Weapons…’

    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb538-Cold-War-Nuclear-Target-List-Declassified-First-Ever/

    This was not the first such offensive plan…which started being hatched by the US and Britain before WW2 was even over…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Totality

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

    It is today crystal clear that the US posture during the ‘cold war’ was completely offensive…while the Soviet posture was defensive…including their no nuclear first strike policy…

    This US mythology persists to this day and has laid the groundwork for the catastrophe visited upon ordinary American folks by the ruling elite…

    They are laughing all the way to the bank while the sheeple still believe in the ‘goodness’ of the USA…

    Supposedly…Freedman’s speech was going to be about how the Jews engineered both world wars…and how they are planning to get US into WW3…

    I had posed this question here numerous times already without one single attempt at a rebuttal…

    Why, if the Jews were so powerful as to be able to pull the puppet strings of the Great Power of Europe…Germany, Russia, Britain, France…

    …why on earth would they avail themselves of such a dangerous and risky enterprise as war…?

    Having godlike power over the greatest nation states on earth…what more could they possibly gain…?

    Looking forward to your reply…

    • Replies: @Anon-og
    , @FB
    , @Joe Levantine
  250. Rurik says:
    @iffen

    no “Palestinian State” and likely never will be.

    you’re right

    it will be one state with equal rights for all its citizens

    https://www.albawaba.com/news/jewish-extremists-detained-threatening-arabs-dating-jews-1038454

    http://www.palestinechronicle.com/israels-fear-of-jewish-girls-dating-arabs/

    in time, the hostility between the two peoples will vanish as they become more and more assimilated into one people with one nation and marital love will be the tie that binds

    as the old people with their intractable hatreds die off, and the young people raised in this new era of social media and universal cultural values grow up and fall in love, this will solve the troubles in that part of the world

    • Replies: @iffen
  251. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    and a Happy Advent to you too Chuck!

  252. @FB

    Great post. This is a much more rational, reasonable and sane explanation of American empire than the myth of the omniscient Jew villain who controls the world with God-like powers.

  253. iffen says:
    @Rurik

    in time, the hostility between the two peoples will vanish as they become more and more assimilated into one people with one nation and marital love will be the tie that binds

    Kubaya Rurik, fucking Kubaya.

    • Replies: @Anon
  254. peterAUS says:

    Well…agree, at least up to “One thing the West has no stomach for is high casualties among “our boys”.”
    I don’t disagree with that statement, just have some reservations about it.
    With conscript armed forces I’d agree.
    With this, volunteer/professional with a “healthy” dose of “contractors” I am not quite sure about.

    The society where everything is a commodity on a most fundamental level, a soldier’s life isn’t worth much either.
    Especially when the most of casualties, even in a decent regional war, would be from “basket of deplorables”.

    I do agree, unfortunately, with “This fear of consequences and mass death is the West’s Achilles heel. Because sooner or later there will be an enemy that is able to strike back and hit the “homeland””.
    I say unfortunately because we’ve seen the reaction to that re Afghanistan and Iraq.
    The basic, mindless “lashing out” to soothe their rage, lessen the fear.
    I mean, I am not sure that reaction to that strike back would be measured.
    On practical level: you, say, strike Russia. Whatever I think about INTERNAL handling of society by Putin and his team, I am positive he/they would handle that in rational, composed…smart….way.
    I have zero confidence that Trump and his team would act in such way in similar circumstances.
    And THAT is scary.

    Friedman (I know, not much popular around…) said that USA is like a strongest teenager in a schoolyard. And I find that scary.

    So, while I agree with “Then, and only then, will American citizens and their counterparts in sycophant and allied nations turn against war at a gut instinct level” (well, Europeans do get it…) I am not quite sure how a reaction to that feeling will be.

    As for the last paragraph it’s actually very simple.
    This site is, whatever I think about it, really into “free speech”. I’ve been on Internet since its inception and, well, don’t at the moment, see any other similar Web site. That must be preserved as much as possible.
    I’ve also seen all those ways to kill that free speech, from crude bans through “moderation” to fanboys trolls chasing people away.
    There are a couple of guys here I find interesting and it would be pity to have them chased away.
    So….that’s my little contribution about.
    I try to…haha…attract a bit of that fanboy rage so those guys don’t run away. Yet.

    And, besides, a bit from me, a bit from somebody else and a couple of us here could form some sort of more or less informed opinion.
    For now.

  255. Rurik says:
    @Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III

    The West, led by the USA,

    I think you mean the ZUSA

    that very same entity that our elites knew would not agree to serial wars on behalf of Israel unless there were a new “Pearl Harbor like event” to catalyze them into action.

    the American people are not a uniform and monolithic entity, uniquely craven and cowardly

    Heroes like Pat Tillman are made of the best mettle that men can aspire to. But he was assassinated when he discovered that the war was a sham, and that he, just as the rest of us. were lied to.

    If the American people were sanguine about the wholesale slaughter of innocents as you suggest, then that also includes all the blacks and browns and yellows and Muslims that also make of this nation’s cornucopia of ethnicities and creeds.

    Do you see any one American nationality condemning these Eternal Wars based on lies and trying to expose the Satanic false flag attack that was used as its pretext?

    this guy perhaps?

    Zakaria initially supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[11] He said at the time, “The place is so dysfunctional … any stirring of the pot is good. America’s involvement in the region is for the good.”[11]

    I do. They’re called the Alt-right, and it’s been them more than anyone who have pointed out that the wars are illegal and immoral and all done on Israel’s behalf.

    Trump was elected to end the Eternal Wars. The Deplorables deplore the war. That’s one reason the war hag condemned us and called us irredeemable. Because we’d all like to see her (and McCain and all the other war criminals) tried and convicted and hanged at the Hague

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  256. @Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III

    I do not like you!!!
    You keep telling the truth here.

    p.s. I am not so sure about your last sentence. I would not give US more than 10 maybe 12 years,
    China with other countries is building the silk road. The railway net connecting all Euro-Asia.
    That naturally means that the trade amongst connected nation from the position of convenience will increase.
    The other aspect to it is that actually the trade volume overall the world is decreasing.
    Transport by ships is economical for great volumes. Decrease of volumes will eventually make the retail prices higher.

    • Replies: @iffen
  257. Anon-og says:
    @FB

    FB,
    I definitely agree that it is not a Jews only game here but much of what is written in The Talmud does align with Internationalism, One World Government with Jewish Supremacy over mankind, and enslavement of the Goyim/non-Jew and when you combine that with Israeli ambitions of Greater Israel at the cost of the nations that surround her, one must come to the conclusion that their Talmud is playing a major role in Israeli/Jewish policy and politics right down to racist policies within Israel. All one has to do is listen to some of the leading Rabbis in Israel who voice Talmudic ethno supremacy as their agenda

    • Replies: @FB
  258. iffen says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    I would not give US more than 10 maybe 12 years,

    Hide in the bushes and watch, Illyana.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  259. FB says:
    @iffen

    Iffen…I already posted a correction about that …yes it is the red line…

  260. FB says:
    @FB

    Sorry forgot to post the link to the National Security Archive that details that plan to wipe out Soviet cities with thermonuclear weapons…

    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb538-Cold-War-Nuclear-Target-List-Declassified-First-Ever/

  261. Zumbuddi says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    thought crumbs
    1 Nannon told Values Voters, with its large portion of evangelicals, that Trump would move embassy to J-town.

    2. A lot of evangelicals are Black w/ Black women esp. fervent supporters of Israel.

    3. Bannon ran the Moore strategy.

    4. Moore lost due to large # Black female votes for Jones —actually, against Moore but REALLY anti-Trump.

    5. Soros & other Big Jews have been paying Blacks to be anti Trump.

    SO — Did Bannon promise Jerusalem, and Trump fulfill the promise, to please Jews & evangelicals, & do the deed just at that time to get Moore vote, which other Big Jews undermined by mobilizing Black women?

    Stab in the back?

  262. FB says:
    @ANON

    There is no point in ‘explaining’ anything to a Hitler fanboy…

    Loser Hitler blew his fool brains out as the Red Army sacked Berlin…end of story…

    Only a fool would march on Russia as Montgomery famously said…Napoleon tried it and got the Russian Czar riding triumphantly into conquered Paris…

    Trying to draw a comparison of the crushing of a major world power to pissant wars like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan is infantile…

    • Replies: @ANON
  263. FB says:
    @Anon-og

    I really don’t know anything about Talmudism and have only been inside a synagogue once…for a funeral…so I have no idea what they do or don’t preach…

    What I am pretty sure of is that pretty much every religion has some serious blood on its hands…

    At the top of my list are the are the Church of England…which raped an entire nation…Ireland…and continues to do so in the North…

    Ever heard of the Plantations of Ireland…?

    Think Israeli settlements to the n’th power…

    ‘…The Plantations had profound effects on Ireland. They resulted in the removal and/or execution of Catholic ruling classes and their replacement with what became known as the Protestant Ascendancy — Anglican landowners mostly originating from Great Britain.

    Their position was reinforced by the Penal Laws. These denied political and most land-owning rights to Catholics and non-Anglican Protestant denominations…’

    A map showing Anglo land stolen from the Irish in the 16′th century…

    Whatever the Jews have or have not done does not even come close…

  264. iffen says:

    which raped an entire nation…Ireland…and continues to do so in the North…

    But was Ireland a “nation” when she bent over?

    • Troll: FB
    • Replies: @FB
  265. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Issac

    On the “domestic peril:” http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/12/your-trump-dossier-cheat-sheet-by-publius-tacitus.html
    “The latest revelations about the partisan activities of FBI and DOJ officials now make it clear that folks charged with upholding our system of laws were collaborating with the Intelligence Community, under the direction of Jim Clapper, in misleading members of Congress about alleged collusion between Donald Trump’s campaign and the Russians without disclosing that the information originated from opposition research commissioned by the Clinton Campaign.
    We already knew, thanks to Washington Post reporting in October that the dossier was commissioned by Clinton attorneys and compiled and prepared by a retired foreign intelligence officer, Christopher Steele: Marc Elias, a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the DNC, retained Fusion GPS, a Washington, D.C., firm, to conduct the research. Fusion GPS hired dossier author Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer with ties to the FBI and the U.S. intelligence community.
    Elias and his law firm, Seattle-based Perkins Coie, retained the firm in April 2016 on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Before that agreement, Fusion GPS’ research into Trump was funded by a still unknown Republican client during the GOP primary.
    The Clinton campaign and the DNC, through the law firm, continued to fund Fusion GPS’ research through the end of October 2016, days before Election Day. … the wife of a senior DOJ official, with ties to the CIA, was working with Fusion GPS on Russian matters related to Trump during this same time frame”
    — Looks and sounds like treasonous activities violatng the US Constitution and directed against the legally elected POTUS.

  266. @iffen

    Actually we can quicken the process and get it down to 6 years if we can get rid of Trump.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Anon
  267. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Need one say more?

    Yes, one need. Like how many congress critter scalps the lobbies you’ve listed have claimed… and how it compares to The Lobby, which has 7 scalps to its name.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  268. FB says:
    @iffen

    But was Ireland a “nation” when she bent over?

    That doesn’t dignify a response…

    And here I had some hope for you based on your earlier statements that you oppose Israeli settlements…?

  269. FB says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Ilyana…even six years might be optimistic…

    The Ponzi scheme is not known for its stability…at this point even breathing hard might set the dominoes a tumblin’…

    • Replies: @Miro23
  270. @FB

    Hi FB,
    Thank you for your elaborate answer with which I do agree as concerns the attitude of the American Government. However I do beg to differ when it comes to Zionism.
    In Douglas Reed book, whom I do not believe to be an anti Semite as he is portrayed by the media and Western Intelligencia of today, Reed asks a very simple and logical question: who is Theodor Herzl to be able to meet with the most powerful people of the time such as the Kaiser of Germany and the Tsar of Russia. I would answer that Herzl was not representing himself but World Jewry as the leaders of Zion would like to call it.
    Even though I steer clear of the concept of ‘ World Jewry’ as represented by even dissenting Jews and great non Jewish thinkers such as Professor James Petras, the reason being that many Jews in the depth of their hearts would rather lead peaceful and integrated lives with the the rest of us, unfortunately the merit of the concept of World Jewry is very much a product of what Gilad Atzmon refers to as the Jewish Collective, a sociological phenomenon that I have witnessed and observed among other ethnicities such as Sunni Muslims but which is far more pronounced in its Jewish manifestation than in any other group.
    This extreme ethnocentrism of the Jews is bound to be their undoing as it has proven to be throughout history.
    “Having godlike power over the greatest nation states on earth…what more could they possibly gain…?”
    Here I see that you ask a very logical question. Yet I will answer with what I saw in some movie about the behaviour of one compulsive gambler who was a broke person throughout his life because of his gambling activities but one day the good fortune smiled on him and he began to accumulate one million after another until he reached a figure that could let him live prosperously for the rest of his life. Yet despite the begging and admonishments of his friend to stop and cash his profits, the gambler could not stop ever more intoxicated by his own gambling thrills until he finally lost all of his gains.
    The biggest enemy of the power mad Zionists is their tendency to always play near the abyss in their blind intoxication with dominance and power.
    My favourite writers have been disproprtianetly Jews. I do recommend three in particular who managed to break out of the mold of Jewishness and write with the truth as their guiding light: Israel Shamir’s Cabala of Power, Masters of Discourse; Dmitry Orlov whose articles and books are a real gift to humanity, Norman Finklestein’s the Holocaust Industry.
    In answer to your last question I strongly recommend the huge work of Douglas Reed’s “The Controversy of Zion”, and please try to listen to Benjamin Freedman’s speech to the end. The man was an avowed member of the Cabala when he decided to expose it for what it is and lost his fortune of more than 2.5 million dollars in sixties dollars in his crusade to expose the true face of Zionism, much more than any commenter could claim to have sacrificed for the cause of truth.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @FB
  271. @Rurik

    Hi Rurik,
    I am so glad you put that scoundrel of the worst of the presstitutes under the light. I once made the mistake to read one of his books which I eventually deemed to be good for the garbage can in which after highliting some of the excesses of the United States, he shamelessly assumed the position of the perfect advocate of the American Establishment with an intellect worthy of the sheeple and the lemmings who could tolerate his crooked shilling that is surpassed by some of the more honourable and famous pressitutes of the likes of Thomas Freedman.
    Truly, a Truth Rehabilitation camp for these professional liars would be a boon for humanity.

  272. @Rurik

    Hi Rurik,
    The Israelis like to push the Americans into the fray where they are not confident about their capacities such as a war with Iran. Where they feel the terrain is their’s like it was during the invasion of Lebanon, they don’t like to share the spoils with anyone including their paymaster the United States. Sharon at the time of the Lebanon invasion was the Offence Minister and he snubbed a request by the Americans about sharing intelligence about their war operations.
    As for the USS Liberty, better also to research the Lavon affair of 1954 about how the Israelis tried to get America into a war with Egypt. Their luck betrayed them in both cases. In the USS Liberty’s case the ship did not sink to the bottom so that the Egyptians could be accused of the deed without possibility of a rebuttal by Egypt.
    I hope that your posts will always be part of this site for losing commentators like you would be a big loss to the site and the readers.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  273. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    The video is gone.

  274. @FB

    Hi FB,
    Here you admit that your knowledge about Judaism is lacking. I have seen some paragraphs of the Talmud in certain books that are mind boggling in their legitimizing the swindle and outright murder of the goys. A friend of mine who read the Talmud in Hebrew asserted that whatever translation of the Talmud you get, you will never understand the real magnitude of how racist and how much it is us the Jews against all the rest of humanity.
    As far England is concerned I suppose you realise that one of the worst tormentors of the Irish people was none else than the ultimate Jewish stooge Oliver Cromwell. The Jews had been totally banned from England around 1290 when the king was tired of hearing about their human sacrifices. It is through Cromwell who was largely financed by Spanish Jews that he came to conquer the old order of the English monarchy.

  275. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    The Chinese are not stupid. They had a front row chance to watch the Tribe sap its hosts to the point of exsanguination. An intelligent species will always recognize a parasite for what it is and deal with it accordingly.

  276. “The Chinese are not stupid. They had a front row chance to watch the Tribe sap its hosts to the point of exsanguination. An intelligent species will always recognize a parasite for what it is and deal with it accordingly.”

    Hi Anonymous,

    No doubt, agreed, the Chinese are not “stupid.”

    Especially the leadership-sector present at the 2016 elite global assembly at Davos.

    They are intelligent and at Davos, the Chinese were represented by Xi Xiaoping whose power is presently compared to that wielded by Mao Zedong.

    At the Davos assembly, ZUSA-President-elect Donald Trump’s buddy, Scaramucci, delivered an address which did not smack of the populism-nationalism plank on which the former theatrically campaigned.

    Scaramucci leveled with the Davos’ elite and told all, “Donald Trump is globalism’s last hope.”

    Yes… the Chinese are an “intelligent specie.”

    (ZIGH)

    Given Sheldon Adelson’s $35 million gift to the 2016 Trump campaign, Party Leader Xi recognized the dominating (Israeli) “parasite” for what & who it is.

    The Chinese communist rulers and billionaires know the score. Elite Zionist Jew interests were central to President Bonespur & family’s recent economic-courting of Far East national (?) leaders.

    Thank you.

    Selah “Bad Moon Rising” and nostalgia for eclipse.

  277. helena says:
    @FB

    Englishwoman here – I have great sympathy for the Irish. I visited a famine memorial once and was taken aback by how neglected it was, not at all a shrine that drew a regular number of visitors. And I could sense that my Irish friends had no interest in discussing it. But I also noticed when up against the small bronze tree memorial, an intense chill. Gruesome times.

    On the brighter side:
    - the Irish in England for the most part did well, or as well as ordinary English, in the end
    - the Irish have established an effective diaspora in America
    - the Scots Irish who were planted, originally came from the scots-English borders and were later indentured to American plantations, and have since lived as a hugely unpopular presence in Ireland, hardly through their own fault; tough gig
    - Irish people automatically get a British passport and can stand for public office in UK
    -Anglo-Irish have been as active promoting immigration as the Jewish ethnic group

    Plus I’ve read on these threads that Cromwell readmitted those who had been expelled in 1299. The interim period saw England rise to commercial prominence with, at its height, 15-18million sheep. With laws against undercutting the market.

    • Replies: @polskijoe
  278. geokat62 says:

    Israel passes ‘anti-infiltration law’ to speed up the deportation of African refugees

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/infiltration-deportation-refugees/

    Where are the howls of protest from the ADL, the organization that pushed hard to get the US to open its doors to mass immigration?

    Could it be that their tagline “Diversity Is Our Strength” only applies to European and European-derived countries? Is it possible they may not have been totally sincere in their belief in the merits of diversity? Could they be playing The Dumb Goyim for fools?

    Nah, you must be some kind of conspiracy theorist if you take that kind of nonsense seriously.

  279. Rurik says:
    @Joe Levantine

    the gambler could not stop ever more intoxicated by his own gambling thrills until he finally lost all of his gains.
    The biggest enemy of the power mad Zionists is their tendency to always play near the abyss in their blind intoxication with dominance and power.

    excellent metaphor Joe

    also there is the ‘frog and the scorpion’ thing going on.

    The powerful Jews of England (or Sweden, ZUS, so many others..) could continue to live lavishly on the ‘fat of the land’, collecting on their debt slaves for generations to come as the most privledged and pampered tribe bar none, in lands that are otherwise a happy place, with contented folks.

    but they can not stand to see the goyim happy. It riles something deep within them, and they always seek to ruin the lives of the host nations who treat them so well, out of their intractable need to see those people suffer and be destroyed, thereby destroying their own privileged perches.

    https://www.ft.com/content/f8d5e066-e0ac-11e7-a8a4-0a1e63a52f9c

    even if it meant that Muslims hostile to Jews would take over Europe, and persecute or even expel the Jews

    I believe that they’d still demand that Europe open its gates to unlimited Muslim (and everyone else) immigration, (just as they did to Spain so long ago) because their hatred is far, far more powerful and endemic to them than their privilege and even their will to persevere.

    like the scorpion who has it great, getting a free ride and all, they still must kill the frog

    it is simply their nature to do so, and they can’t help themselves

    [also thank you (and Chuck) for the kind support]

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Sam Shama
  280. @geokat62

    Selah, diverse disunity in Zio selective unity.

    Thanks, geo!

  281. Rurik says:
    @geokat62

    Where are the howls of protest from the ADL, the organization that pushed hard to get the US to open its doors to mass immigration?

    not just the ADL Geo, but all those Hollywood celebrities that hate Donald Trump for his ‘racist’ wall and his ‘racism’.

    they bleat and go apoplectic over Trump’s travel ban, but when it comes to Israel’s super-racism, including genocide and organ trafficking and other horrors, it’s dead silence.

    sort of exactly the way that proud whore Ashley Judd railed about Trump being Hitler and lacking respect for women…

    as she consorts with liberal, progressive powerful Democrat men who rape vulnerable women at will

    the smug hypocrisy is so sanctimonious it gives new meaning to the word

  282. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    “Whatever the Jews have or have not done does not even come close…”
    But they are striving hard — look at the Middle East project that has been miraculously following the Oded Yinon plan. Four (4) million slaughtered civilians, including many children of all ages, and counting.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf

    “The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states.”

  283. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    “…if we can get rid of Trump.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-16/ex-fbi-assistant-director-strzok-fabricated-information-and-belongs-leavenworth

    “Kallstrom, a former Marine captain and Vietnam veteran, told FBN host Liz MacDonald that if an FBI agent wanted to stop someone from becoming President, “I think he can do what [Strzok] tried to do,” adding “He can fabricate things, he can make stuff up, he can lie, he can be a total moron.” “You know, he belongs in Leavenworth this guy, in my personal view.”
    Kallstrom’s comments come after two weeks of stunning revelations about the FBI’s top brass actively engaging in an effort to help then-candidate Hillary Clinton by “decriminalizing” her actions in the email case, while pursuing a case against then-candidate Donald Trump – using a discredited 34-page ‘Trump-Russia’ dossier to launch an investigation, according to several GOP members of Congress.
    When a subset of 10,000 text messages sent between Peter Strzok – lead investigator in the Trump-Russia case, and his FBI-Attorney mistress Lisa Page emerged, GOP lawmakers honed in on a specific exchange in which Strzok references an “insurance policy” in the “unlikely event” Trump was elected President. Now, it appears, that “insurance policy” may have been the entire Russia investigation, cooked up using the Trump-Russia dossier provided by DNC-Clinton funded opposition research firm, Fusion GPS. Fusion has been linked to several attempts to undermine Trump – including hiring Nellie Ohr – the CIA wife of DOJ official Bruce Ohr, who was demoted for obfuscating his meetings with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson.
    – Still not enough for you, Ilyana? Here is more: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-15/deconstructing-almighty-russian-hackers-myth
    and more: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-15/fbi-edits-clinton-exoneration-go-far-beyond-what-was-previously-known-comey-mccabe-s
    – You see, Ilyana_Rozumova, the MSM-created-reality has been dissolving, leaving a residue of corruption and terasonous intents. Hey, Ilyana, any interest in Awan affair and Seth Rich murder? Or such interests are anti-semitic?

    • Replies: @FB
  284. geokat62 says:

    Interesting take on Roy Moore’s defeat.

    Jewish Alabama Hails Roy Moore’s Defeat As A Hanukkah Miracle

    [MORE]

    On the first night of Hanukkah, Alabama’s Jews said the Shehecheyanu, the 2,000-year-old prayer of generalized thanksgiving that’s almost always appropriate: “Blessed are You, Lord our God, King of the Universe, who has granted us life, sustained us and enabled us to reach this moment.”

    Then they were presented with another miracle, on top of the one that kept the oil burning for eight nights. It seemed impossible, but this red state showed its Hanukkah spirit and went blue. Doug Jones, an underdog of Maccabean proportions, won the senate seat.

    Outsiders asked me if “miracle” was an overstatement. After all, Roy Moore has faced countless ethical violations, received donations from white supremacy groups, and been accused of sexually assaulting underaged girls. Should Alabama be lauded for simply doing the right thing?

    Yes.

    It’s a miracle.

    It’s been 29 years since Alabama elected a Democrat to statewide office.

    Jones won with 49.9% of the vote. 30% white voters and 96% black voters voted for him, whose highest support came from Jefferson County (Birmingham), Madison County (Huntsville), and Mobile County. These cities are home to Jewish populations big enough to support active synagogues.

    For Alabama’s Jews, even if it had not been Hanukkah, Shehecheyanu would have been in order.

    Miracles have included finding drinking water and shade, as Hagar did when she opened her eyes in the desert. Miracles are about big things like survival and small ones like candlelight.

    This victory is closer to the Hanukkah story than many realize. Instead of Antiochus, there was the KKK. Extreme, violent prejudice in the Jim Crow South led to the desecration of sacred space.

    In 1963, the night bombs were planted in the basement of 16th Street Baptist Church, bombs were also planted in the basement of Temple Beth El in Birmingham’s South Side. Its location on a hill and wet conditions caused the Beth El bombs to diffuse. Unfortunately, the 16th Street bombs remained in tact, killing 4 girls and giving Birmingham the epithet “Bombingham.” Birmingham’s story does not belong to the Jews. We were Klan targets, we were in harm’s way, we were not harmed, not like that.

    The bombers went over a decade without legal repercussions. Robert Chambliss, aka “Dynamite Bob,” was arrested and put on trial in 1977. Two decades later, Doug Jones, who had been in the courtroom for Chambliss’ trial, rounded up and persecuted the rest of the men involved, all Klan members. 16th Street Baptist church has been rebuilt and is now a symbol of resistance, survival, defiance.

    I’m not such a as tzaddik, or righteous person, as Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, who said he was “praying with his feet,” when he marched with Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. But standing in line to cast my ballot, I couldn’t help but feel I was doing something similar. I hope all of Alabama’s Jews felt that way. Some, like the generations before. Others: Again.

    Roy Moore’s racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, sexism, and hypocrisy has made national headlines since the saga surrounding Moore’s refusal to remove the 10 Commandments from the courthouse in 1999. In a December radio interview, Moore criticized George Soros, stating that Soros was “not of our American culture” and, because of his lack of acceptance of God’s salvation, was going to “not a nice place.”

    Before the election, Roy and Kayla Moore addressed the media regarding the diversity of their friend group, claiming to have black friends, rabbi friends, and, to really put the sour cream dollop on the latke, they said they even had a Jewish attorney. Rabbis across Alabama have denied any contact with the Moores, and no attorney has gone public as the Jew-du-jour. And while the identity (and existence) of the attorney has yet to be determined, but that didn’t stop Alabama Jews from wishing him (probably him) a happy Hanukkah on social media. No one responded, but perhaps he will show up, speedily and in our days, to a seder with Eliyahu in the spring.

    Things sound like have they’ve wrapped up nicely, here in Alabama. The battle is won. But we know the Maccabees are not the end of the story. There is no temple standing today. And yet, we still celebrate them and the miracle of the oil.

    As Jews, we define ourselves by the miracles we’ve experienced. Whether we say a blessing before eating breakfast or sit in synagogue once a year during the High Holidays to hear about the ram being sent in Isaac’s place, we are engaging in the miraculous. Today’s miracle was keeping a serial sex offender out of office.

    https://forward.com/news/390175/jewish-alabama-hails-roy-moores-defeat-as-a-hanukkah-miracle/?attribution=home-hero-item-text-2

  285. FB says:
    @Anon

    I think you misread Ilyana’s intention…

    If you follow that thread…someone or other had said that the US would collapse in 10 to 12 years…

    Ilyana’s follow-on comment that the collapse could come sooner if Trump were to be removed…implies that Trump is acting in the interests of avoiding collapse…

    …the ‘we’ getting rid of Trump is obviously a reference to the many who are working on that…and thus shortening the life expectancy of the US…

    Nevertheless you have presented some good information and I don’t think anyone would take issue with the dirty tricks campaign by the Hellary camp…

    …and yes…scumbags like this Strzok do need to be in jail…so does Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Hellary herself…and many many more…including Mueller himself…

    The entire Russiagate thing is farce…there was never any ‘hack’ on the DNC server…the FBI never investigated or even looked at the server [gross obstruction of justice there]

    …and the only people who did examine that server are Hellary partisans like Crowdstrike…and its founder Dmitri Alperovitch [a member of the neocon anti-Russian Atlantic Council stink tank]…and Crwodstrike is financially heavily supported by Eric Schmidt…CEO of Alphabet Inc…parent conmpany of Google…and huge Hellary supporter…

    It stinks to high heaven and this Russiagate conspiracy should itself be investigated and this Alperovitch, Schmidt and many more sent to jail…

    There was never any hack…it was a leak by a disgruntled DNC insider…possibly Seth Rich…but we’ll probably never know for sure…because that’s the kind of police state we live in…

    • Replies: @Anon
  286. FB says:
    @Joe Levantine

    “Having godlike power over the greatest nation states on earth…what more could they possibly gain…?”

    Here I see that you ask a very logical question.

    Yet I will answer with what I saw in some movie about the behaviour of one compulsive gambler who was a broke person throughout his life because of his gambling activities but one day the good fortune smiled on him and he began to accumulate one million after another until he reached a figure that could let him live prosperously for the rest of his life.

    Yet despite the begging and admonishments of his friend to stop and cash his profits, the gambler could not stop ever more intoxicated by his own gambling thrills until he finally lost all of his gains.

    The biggest enemy of the power mad Zionists is their tendency to always play near the abyss in their blind intoxication with dominance and power.

    Joe…I appreciate you tackling my challenge on the issue of logic behind the ‘Jewish Conspiracy’ having started both world wars…

    You are the first one to do so…

    However…I’m not sure the gambler metaphor fits…

    Here’s why…the ‘Jew Conspiracy’ holds that it was the powerful Jewish bankers…ie Rothchilds etc…that were at the core…

    The problem with the gambler scenario is that the banker is the House…not the gambler…the House actually lives off the gambler and his compulsion…

    The House is all about rigging the game…the risks are minimized to close to zero…the House always wins…

    And even if we do accept this gambler metaphor…ie that it was ‘Jews’ who were the ‘gamblers’…then who was The House…?

    Again…I am keeping this entirely within the realm of a hypothetical construct, as any logic game demands…ie we are not dealing with any actual facts or evidence etc…

    You have likewise kept it strictly within the hypothetical logical space and I appreciate that…

    It is a good reply…

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  287. FB says:
    @Rurik

    The scorpion and frog metaphor is also a good moral tale…it may be applied in many life situations…

    Ie cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face…etc…

    Does it solve the logical riddle I presented…?

    I don’t know…such is the nature of these logical riddles…they are purely hypothetical and do not take into account any particular facts or evidence as I had mentioned to Joe…

    If you believe the Jewish character is akin to that of the scorpion…then that would answer the question for you…

    Everyone may have a different answer…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  288. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    Need one say more?
    “Yes, one need. Like how many congress critter scalps the lobbies you’ve listed have claimed… and how it compares to The Lobby, which has 7 scalps to its name.”

    Your original claim concerned Adelson’s frustrated efforts on Jerusalem. Dwarfed by other special interests. Now you propose “congress critter scalps” as a test of lobby power?

    Which is more powerful – caffeine or heroin? Seven rebelled, kicked the AIPAC habit and were punished. Caffeine withdrawl headache. Five-hundred-thirty-five remain obedient but limited in effectiveness. Why? Could it be they’re preoccupied with other issues? Higher addiction?

    ‘Reform’ of the tax code, health care, communication, natural resources, energy, environmental regulation, and consumer protection proceeds unabated. None defy carefully scripted pro-con party lines. Lobbying and campaign money flood Congress like heroin, producing proportionately successful legislation – e.g. $1-1.5 trillion for tax ‘reform’ billed to future generations.

    Twenty plus trillion dollar National Debt. Ridiculously overpriced, mediocre healthcare. Drug prices triple other countries. Decaying infrastructure. Failing education systems. Profligate defense spending. Unreliable, extortionate weapons systems. Unwanted military interventionism. Widening income inequity. Blatant lies, self-dealing, conflicts of interest, salacious behavior. Historic low approval ratings. Sound familiar?

    True lobby power preserves and rewards politicians despite the aforementioned failure. It enables legislation benefiting the few despite disproval of the many.

    AIPAC scalps? Toupées on an increasingly phony process are more worrisome.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @FB
  289. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    Israel Officially Aids 3rd World Invasion

    http://newobserveronline.com/israel-officially-aids-3rd-world-invasion/

    The Jews are quite open about the reason for their hardline approach. As the New York Times says, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned that the arrival of “refugees” posed a “demographic” risk to Israel: “If we don’t stop their entry, the problem that currently stands at 60,000 could grow to 600,000, and that threatens our existence as a Jewish and democratic state,” he said.

    So it is clear that the Jews understand—correctly—that a mass Third World invasion will destroy their country, and they are very clear and open about this fact.

    Nonetheless, at the very same time, they are actively funding and aiding a mass Third World invasion of Europe—knowing full well that this will destroy Europe.

  290. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    ” stink tank” – excellent!

  291. goy says:
    @Anonymous

    man, you got that right,! 22 million bombed and killed since 1945, !, sick, delusional people; the us military members have to realize this and refuse; maybe take a few detours over israel and do the world a favor.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  292. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Your original claim concerned Adelson’s frustrated efforts on Jerusalem. Dwarfed by other special interests. Now you propose “congress critter scalps” as a test of lobby power?

    Based on two examples, my original claim demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt the incredible power of The Lobby.

    The first showed how exasperated W was facing intense pressure from Shelly, pleading with him to give him a bit more breathing space as he was acting as POTUS and not as PM of the JS.

    The second demonstrated that DJT also was keen to please his benefactor, but was also pleading for more time in making his announcement that the US embassy would be relocated to J.

    Good luck trying to cite any examples of Big Pharma or any other lobby weilding that kind of power.

    AIPAC scalps? Toupées on an increasingly phony process are more worrisome.

    Once the US regains control over its FP, it can focus on putting its own house in order. The latter cannot be done without first addressing the former.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  293. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    She is so consistently ugly.

  294. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    “they are against [war] because they don’t get the spoils of war as they expected/expect.”
    Speak for yourself.

  295. FB says:
    @Incitatus

    Twenty plus trillion dollar National Debt. Ridiculously overpriced, mediocre healthcare. Drug prices triple other countries. Decaying infrastructure. Failing education systems. Profligate defense spending. Unreliable, extortionate weapons systems. Unwanted military interventionism. Widening income inequity. Blatant lies, self-dealing, conflicts of interest, salacious behavior. Historic low approval ratings. Sound familiar?

    Excellent dose of reality…I.

    The problem with the ‘Jew’ conspiracy is that it deflects from the real and much more serious corruption that is the oligarchy called the USA…

    This is Ukraine-level corruption…massive and all-encompassing…

    People need to wake up and realize that even if all Jews were rounded up and put in camps…nothing would change…

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @geokat62
  296. FB says:
    @peterAUS

    Call me cynic but I believe that most of people who are against war in US/West aren’t because of imperial reasons and horrors inflicted on other people.

    They are against because they don’t get the spoils of war as they expected/expect.

    Yes, I know how this sounds and I stay behind it.

    Holy Smokes…what happened…?

    Is this the same Peter…?

    Good stuff…agree fully…

  297. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    Ie cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face…etc…

    I could live with it – especially when it’s ass-cancer and not the nose.

  298. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    “Israel even today knows it can ditch the US…it is quite strong on its own and can always turn to Russia…’
    1. Israel cannot ditch the US because that would result in the immediate end of the ongoing apartheid project
    2. Russia has had enough of “Jewish experience” known as Bolshevik revolution and GULAG. Read “Two Hundred Years Together” to appreciate Russian patience towards the “chosen.” Closer in time, there used to be a post-Soviet Jewish oligarchic cabal of Berezovsky-Gusinsky kind, which was supremely merciless to the former Soviets. Easy to remember.

  299. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    iffen, why don’t you simply express your preference for final solution? Guess you want your tribesmen to live freely everywhere they want, but the very idea of Israelis living as equals with the real descendants of ancient Jews in Palestine makes your blood boil. Wait till the US has enough of Jewish supremacists (ziocons). And keep in mind that China is totally indifferent to your eternal victimhood.

  300. @peterAUS

    Now, we don’t need to kid ourselves. The “response” by the System would be….significant. And we simply do not want to risk lives we have now (literally) to prevent a war against somebody somewhere.
    It’s all about risk/reward, for minority of people with moral stance.
    And I repeat, most of people get their moral stance from their pay check and mainstream media.
    In that order.

    I don’t think that’s accurate.

    Not sure how impressed the PTB would be by even something as massive as a General Strike. Not sure if/when that ever happened in USA.

    Second, American people do have what they think is a moral stance; that’s why USA is joined at the hip to Israel. Many, many Americans think that supporting Israel unconditionally is their moral obligation. By conflating “Israel” and “holocaust” and “jews (usually as perpetual victims), it’s become a moral obligation to give Jews special deference, and to self-censor any and every legitimate criticism. Risk would be acting antisemitically.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @peterAUS
  301. geokat62 says:
    @FB

    People need to wake up…

    If you are referring to The Dumb Goyim who reside in European and European-derived countries, I couldn’t agree more. They need to realize they and their countries are being targeted for ethnic cleansing by the Diversity Is Our Strength virus. The sooner they realize this, the better. They need to understand that George Soros and his Open Society (including Barbara Spectre’s Paideia) is hellbent on radically changing the demographic profile of European and European-derived countries, transforming them into multicultural hellholes. To redress this issue, do you support the repeal of Hart-Celler, the Immigration Act of 1965?

    • Replies: @FB
  302. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    American support for Israel has more to do with the founding biblical heritage of this nation- and that does run deep – than anything to do with the Holocaust. Why don’t you take a poll of Americans? Oh wait, I think those polls already exist.

    I suppose it’s a fair conjecture to say I know more Jews than you do and I am yet to meet any that claim victimhood to further personal interests. That does not mean families with histories tied to the Holocaust are oblivious to it; quite the contrary. But this victimhood trope plays primarily in these echo chambers than anywhere in real life.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @FB
    , @helena
  303. peterAUS says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Not sure how impressed the PTB would be by even something as massive as a General Strike.

    Looking at the PTBs reaction to Ammon Bundy “thing” I think I have a pretty good idea how would that unravel. It’s probably even somewhere within Patriot Act; if not, wouldn’t matter. I have zero doubt how that would work.
    It’s really a big iron fist in, at the moment, a nice fluffy glove for an average American. As long as he/she stays within proper parameters that is.
    There is really no need to exonerate most of Americans; if they were like, say, people just posting here, I am sure that things could change for better.
    People…….just……..don’t…………care.
    I actually believe there is a proper study about the topic somewhere. Something about percentage of critical/independent thinkers in a society.

    And, I do agree with the second paragraph.
    But………and a big BUT, IMHO, that isn’t that simple as prevalent viewpoint here.
    Takes two.

    One is, definitely, Israeli/Jewish lobby etc. No need to regurgitate that here.
    But, there is, at least equally important element about an average American.

    That feel-good need. The desire to show all the world that…exceptional….moral stance.
    “See Ruskies/Brits, you fought against The ULTIMATE EVIL because you had to, but we did it because we were/are so morally advanced”.
    And, again, there is that religious element too.

    And, of course, there is that “practical” element.
    All “bad guys” US have been smashing/trying to smash recently were, one way or another, linked to Hitler.
    From that first “regime change” (Milosevic) to today.
    I mean, US even made that court where Milosevic got processed.

    Digging into that element could be interesting.
    Now, some guys here did do a bit of that and, well, it was interesting to read it.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  304. Sam Shama says:
    @Rurik

    So, oh Rooter-tooter the Insightful, your proposal would be for Jews to block Muslim immigration to Europe, to the extent they are able to. Let’s pretend they prove successful at this mission and Europa finds herself entirely cleansed of Muslims; what then?

    The Jews then proceed to climb on the backs of the gentile White host as is their wont, and kill them eventually? Got it.

    Well hadn’t you better do something about It? Gather you Knights!

    Feel free to start yelling and ranting.

  305. FB says:
    @geokat62

    They need to realize they and their countries are being targeted for ethnic cleansing by the Diversity Is Our Strength virus.

    This chorus of Jew conspiracy on the immigration issue is like a broken record here…

    I have gone to great lengths to rationally explain why the Ponzi scheme economy needs mass immigration…

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/bad-moon-rising/#comment-2118952

    What part about that don’t you understand…?

    A Ponzi scheme collapses without new suckers signing up…

    A Ponzi scheme economy collapses without population growth to sustain otherwise unsustainable economic growth…

    Enough already…

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @geokat62
  306. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @goy

    The mood in the US military is changing. It was easier to go along when projected casualties were hovering around 0%. Now they’re getting groomed to attack Russia, China and their friendlies. Nothing better to focus the mind than an up to 100% casualty estimate. Someone might even ask “why”.

  307. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    Dear Shama, 0.2 shekels have been removed from your account due to making Hasbara operatives look bad. Thank you.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  308. polskijoe says:
    @helena

    Interesting.
    Typically the newest immigrants into white nations regardless of race tend to vote for more left wing
    parties in their new countries.

    That has changed for most European over several decades (social politics has shifted left wing may explain part of it).

    The Jews keep voting for social left wing policies.
    And now in the more white cities like Seattle, there are many sjws. strange phenomena.

    Cromwell apparently did let Jews enter England. Not sure on the exact time frame.
    I assume you mean 15-18 refers to the total population of the nation at the time.

    • Replies: @helena
  309. @FB

    It is a great analysis to mention the house vs the gambler.
    IMHO, the Rothschilds who are the closest to the house have convinced the average Jew that he or she is the house. This has gotten most of the Jews into playing the games of the House, or what David Icke calls the centre of the web, oblivious to the fact that they are taken for a ride of the deadly type. Israel Shamir did mention in one of his many books that I have read that the average IQ of Israelis is 95, not much, I would assume, above that of their Arab foes.
    It is a fact that evil is running the world. Those who collaborate with evil, even if they are just accessories, are as guilty as evil.
    I do hope and pray that the Jews will come to their senses and abandon their illusions of supremacy which is the carrot that the ” House” is dangling before them to get them up to their neck into the nefarious games that they have played on the world stage from Central Banking to World Wars to the lynching of Palestine.
    The Three Wars Letter of Albert Pyke to Guseppe Mazzini dated 1871 should shed more light on the interesting times that we are living, from the mass influx of unassimilated immigrants into Europe and North America to the currrent arms wrestle between Israel and Iran.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  310. @peterAUS

    All “bad guys” US have been smashing/trying to smash recently were, one way or another, linked to Hitler.
    From that first “regime change” (Milosevic) to today.
    I mean, US even made that court where Milosevic got processed.
    Digging into that element could be interesting.

    I think the USA got the Hitler thing wrong, deliberately.

    As long as USAians can point to Hitler as the ultimate evil, they don’t need to confront their own evil.

    The firebombing of German and Japanese cities may rank among the first and worst of the evils that USAians refuse to confront. Cora Sol Goldstein is surprisingly direct about how Allies exploited images of liberated camps and made them the images that proved the evilness of Nazis, and that were used at Nuremberg to condemn Nazis.

    As Sol Goldstein states, those images have been seared in the world’s cognitive map.

    There is, however, ample evidence that many elements of those photos were falsified in various ways. That evidence–of the falsification of the images — has been concealed, just as vigorously as the evidence of Allied war crimes in the intentional incineration by firebombing of German civilians.

    With the exception of a few courageous people who have bucked the system — and paid the price, most people resort to ad hominem rather than respond to questions about Hitler with evidence and logic. Such failures in reasoning frequently signal a shallow grasp of facts; use of widely disseminated propaganda rather than solid research; and the inability to adequately refute a counter narrative that causes emotional discomfort surrounding the situation.
    iow, it’s kinda stupid to namecall anyone/someone who thinks both sides of a story should be told.

    It’s also very dangerous to rely on falsified history as the foundation for foreign policy decisions.

    • Replies: @iffen
  311. @Sam Shama

    nothing here of interest
    move along.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  312. @FB

    Great analysis about the status of the US Dollar.

    “Jews had nothing to do with Britain’s demand for tea…nor its inability to get enough silver to pay for it…”
    Check http://satyricon20.tripod.com/sat33-Sassoon.htm

  313. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I think the USA got the Hitler thing wrong, deliberately.

    And some people deny that this is the greatest nation ever. What further proof is needed?

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  314. @Sam Shama

    Here is my rant and serious question for you:

    What caused the weird Neoconservative retreat from “Crooked Hillary” and subsequent mass migration into President “Bonespur’s” camp? *

    Selah, Sympathy for The Maven, “Pleased to meet you, The Knights know it’s time for a change.” Woo-woo!

    * Thanks again to J. St Clair and his creation of the beloved name, “President Bonespur.”

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  315. @L.K

    Agreed. There was a time when it could be said that Israel was an instrument of US imperial policy, but that time has long passed, the role of servant and master is completely reversed at this stage.

  316. geokat62 says:
    @FB

    I have gone to great lengths to rationally explain why the Ponzi scheme economy needs mass immigration…

    Why hasn’t your Ponzi scheme been introduced into other economies, like Japan’s, Korea’s (both N and S), or more importantly, Israel’s?

    Enough already…

    • Replies: @FB
  317. @Joe Levantine

    Thanks for mentioning the Pike-to-Mazzini letter.

    http://www.usa-the-republic.com/illuminati/Albert_Pike/Albert_Pike%27s_Plan_for_Three_World_Wars.pdf

    ———-

    I do hope and pray that the Jews will come to their senses and abandon their illusions of supremacy which is the carrot that the ” House” is dangling before them to get them up to their neck into the nefarious games that they have played on the world stage from Central Banking to World Wars to the lynching of Palestine.

    Absolutely, without a doubt. Zionism = Levites, and we know what Yahweh told the Levites to do
    Exodus 32
    Levites did not include their own elites, or Big Jews in the slaughter, they killed their disposable Little Jew brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers.

    Starting in ~1920 Communists, native Poles, Hungarians and Roumanians killed their own people, including Jews. Many fled for safety to Germany.

    According to letters of Rabbi Stephen Wise, Louis Brandeis was more concerned about the business interests of German Jews than about Jews outside of Germany who were killed in pogroms.

    In Feb. 1933, Louis Brandeis directed that “all German Jews leave Germany.” German Jews were the money-bags, the people whose wealth and German education were necessary to develop Palestine.

    In the first decades of the 1900s Max Nordau said that “It was essential that 600,000 European Jews migrate to Palestine.” In 1933, Brandeis said “587,000 GERMAN Jews” must leave Europe.”
    Nordau was an avowed eugenicist focused on “regenerating” Eastern European Jews who were “degenerated, physically and mentally.”
    Brandeis was, effectively, a Levite, willing to cull the herd.

    Combined their prescriptions were the epitome of racial selection; both were focused on creating the “new Jew;” Arthur Ruppin, another eugenicist scholar, defined the “human material” required to create the New Jew.

    Hitler and the German government were complicit in Brandeis’s directive:

    In his “Table Talk” discussions of this time, Hitler argued that Germany was justified in deporting the Jews, and that furthermore they were doing it relatively humanely:

    If any people has the right to proceed to evacuations, it is we, for we’ve often had to evacuate our own population. Eight hundred thousand men had to emigrate from East Prussia alone. How humanely sensitive we are is shown by the fact that we consider it a maximum of brutality to have liberated our country from 600,000 Jews. And yet we accepted, without recrimination, and as something inevitable, the evacuation of our own compatriots! (1953/2000: 24) https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/2/1/1918

    Hitler’s and Goebbels’s omments reflecting the above Nazi/Hitler sentiment, that “all Jews must leave Germany,” appear well into 1943, when the Allied program of bombing civilians in Germany had been formalized and was vigorously under way.

    In earlier comments on this Unz Forum article (i.e. #80 +),, Hitler was called “a fool.”

    Was it foolish for the Germans to have collaborated in Brandeis the Levite’s directive that all Jews leave Germany at a time when Germany was being incinerated by Allied firebombing? Wouldn’t it have been wiser of the Nazis to have kept Jews INSIDE German cities to act as human shields?

    • Replies: @polskijoe
    , @Joe Levantine
  318. @iffen

    In the continuum from Spectacular Thanksgiving Meal with all the Trimmings – to after-dinner belch, iffen = belch.

    .

    .

    . Please do notice the gentility with which iffen’s emissions are labelled: didn’t call ‘em farts.
    I’m so proud of me!!

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  319. geokat62 says:

    American support for Israel has more to do with the founding biblical heritage of this nation- and that does run deep – than anything to do with the Holocaust.

    I thought American support for Israel has more to do with the efforts of The Lobby, including the LOW.

    • Replies: @polskijoe
    , @iffen
  320. geokat62 says:
    @FB

    People need to wake up and realize that…nothing would change

    Bullsh*t. While the MIC and other special interests would still be pursuing their interests, they wouldn’t be doing it to enhance the interests of a foreign country, as The Lobby has been doing.

    As M&W so aptly put it:

    While other special interest groups – including ethnic lobbies representing Cuban Americans, Irish Americans, Armenian Americans, and Indian Americans – have managed to skew U.S. foreign policy in directions that they favored, no ethnic lobby has diverted that policy as far from what the American national interest would otherwise suggest. The Israel lobby has successfully convinced many Americans that American and Israeli interests are essentially identical. In fact, they are not.

    Instead of waking people up, you’re trying to put them back to sleep. I wonder why?

    Might it be you have an ulterior motive… or perhaps you’ve been convinced that American and Israeli interests are essentially identical?

    • Replies: @L.K
  321. FB says:
    @Sam Shama

    American support for Israel has more to do with the founding biblical heritage of this nation- and that does run deep…

    The nice thing about pabulum is that it is easy to spoon-feed to infants…

    Of course once the infant grows up…insipid intellectual nourishment no longer seems quite satisfying…

    Like many nations…America has its Founding Myths…those goodhearted pilgrims who held hands with the natives, singing Kumbaya on Thanksgiving…blah blah…

    The reality is a little more colorful…as in blood red…

    Take Sir Humphrey Gilbert…please…

    …a pioneer of the English colonial empire in North America and the Plantations of Ireland…

    During his 1589 campaign in the south of Ireland…

    ‘…all Irish were treated without quarter and put to the sword, including women and children. A gruesome spectacle was devised by Gilbert to cow the rebel supporters, utilising the decapitated heads of his Irish enemies:

    The heddes of all those (of who sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies

    …and brought to the place where he incamped at night, and should there bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie ledying into his owne tente

    …so that none could come into his tente for any cause but commonly he muste passe through a lane of heddes which he used ad terrorem…

    …[It brought] greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kindsfolke, and freinds…

    After Ireland…Gilbert went on to the New World…to found England’s first possession there at Newfoundland…

    Then we have another in the same mold…Richard Hakluyt…who ‘bluntly stated the English Position for the new colony:’

    ‘…The ends of they voyage [to America] are these: 1. to plant Christian religion…

    2. to Trafficke

    3. to conquer.”…’

    Unlike some here who have never been weaned off pabulum…these lands were not empty when the English arrived in Virginia…in fact the native Powhatan were a quite powerful nation and relegated the English settlers to swampy lands where bare sustenance was difficult…

    ‘…Captain John Smith, a colonial leader, imagined that someday the Virginia Indians would be doing all the work for the English

    …but Powhatan envisioned something different: he wanted Smith and the colonists to forsake the swamp and instead live in one of his satellite towns called Capahosick where they would make metal tools for him in exchange for full provision…’

    Ah yes…the Olde Irish Plantation plan…seize the land…enslave the locals…and live high off the hog ever after…

    As opposed to the Powhatan idea of peaceful and fair coexistence…if this is starting to ring some bells as to the ‘founding biblical heritage’ that binds America to Israel…it should not come as a surprise…

    ‘…At first, the natives were glad to trade provisions to the colonists for metal tools, but by 1609 the English governor, John Smith, had begun to send in raiding parties to demand food. This earned the colonists a bad reputation among the Native Americans and precipitated conflict…

    They isolated the Native Americans, burned down houses, and stole their food supplies.

    The English violence alienated the natives further and they laid siege to the Jamestown fort for several months. Unable to secure more food supplies, many colonists died during the “starving time” in 1609–10…’

    And so it goes…the English kept arriving by the shipload and eventually gained the upper hand…proceeding then to systematically slaughter the Powhatans as they had the Irish…[and subsequent Native American nations in territories farther afield]

    …men, women and children…as per the Irish script…

    And we fast forward now to the early 20′th century…Americans were quite fond of reading material like this at the time…

    And this…

    ‘…In the first half of the 20th century, Jews were discriminated against in some employment, not allowed into some social clubs and resort areas, given a quota on enrollment at colleges, and not allowed to buy certain properties. Antisemitism reached its peak during the interwar period.

    The rise of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1920s, the antisemitic works of Henry Ford, and the radio speeches of Father Coughlin in the late 1930s indicated the strength of attacks on the Jewish community…’

    Jews were not allowed into Yale until 1971…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism_in_the_United_States#1920s

    Even the founding of Israel was met with some ambivalence by the Truman era US…

    ‘…The Soviet Union was the first nation to fully recognize Israel de jure on 17 May 1948, followed by Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Ireland, and South Africa.

    The United States extended official recognition after the first Israeli election, as Truman had promised on 31 January 1949…’

    Norman Finkelstein can speak…and does so on this very website…from his own family experience where things stood in regard to the early days of Israel…the US and the Soviet Union…

    ‘…My parents perceived the whole world through the prism of the Nazi holocaust. The Red Army defeated the Nazis, so the Russians could do no wrong. A Jew who didn’t support the Soviet Union was a sellout and traitor. Those were the epithets they used. You can laugh, but for my parents it wasn’t a laughing matter…

    …I’ve always respected their fidelity. They loved Stalin even as the Communist Party blushed at his legacy.’

    ‘…They [Finkelstein's Holocaust survivor parents] despised Israel when it aligned with the US in the Cold War at the time of the Korean war.

    Up until Korea, it was still touch and go. It was unclear which way Israel was going to lean.

    Mapam, the second largest Israeli political party, was blindly pro-Soviet. It even supported Stalin during the 1953 Doctors’ Plot…’

    American Jews tend to forget these things today…what they are missing is the same that the ‘Stormfront’ crowd here also misses…that the US found in Israel a very useful Tool of Global Hegemony…

    Smart Jews of course realize this…and have noted the many times the US empire has mercilessly cut loose its former stooges when they were no longer needed…Ie Saddam…Mobutu…Marcos…etc etc…

    Some American Jews seem to think their ‘religious bond’ to American evangelicals is also stronger than it is…

    They might be surprised to learn that many evangelicals are hardcore anti-semites…

    Here I can speak with the confidence of Finkelstein…

    I was born into a protestant family and grew up in a neighborhood that was roughly half Wasp and half Jewish…[until the influx of Asian immigrants starting in the '70s...]

    My mother became an evangelical and Zionist zealot…while father was completely non-religious but went along with it for the sake of peace in the home…[there is no sense opposing a zealot...]

    I grew up with Sabbath school lessons where the Second Coming was a staple of education…their interpretation relied heavily on the fact of the existence of the state of Israel…where Armageddon would begin…

    While supporting Israel for their own selfish reasons…many of these Wasps found their reflexive antisemitism a tough habit to shake…

    Even my own mother…who had Jewish lady friends…including Holocaust survivors [I remember seeing some of those tattoos myself as a curious child]…seldom had anything nice to say about Jewish ‘culture’…

    She was not bigoted and she did genuinely like her Jewish friends…but tended to revert to a habit I suspect was passed down from her own upbringing when Jews were looked down upon…

    Many at church were far less subtle…Jew jokes were a staple even among the adults as soon as Sabbath school was over…[sometimes even during...]

    Smart Jews and Israelis realize these things of course…they know this is a marriage of convenience…as pretty much all are…

  322. Miro23 says:
    @FB

    In other words…trying to take out one of the A2/AD ‘bubbles’ is going to take a lot of aircraft…and a lot of them are going to get shot down…it becomes a numbers game…if you can throw several hundred aircraft at one denial zone…you might actually succeed in disabling it…but the cost will be very high…

    I’m no expert in military affairs but I was expecting drones to appear at some point in this conversation.

    In P.W. Singer’s book, “Wired for War” he shows the US military moving from rejection, to wholesale acceptance of devices such as the Predator (an aerial robot using remote control and GPS). It’s cheaper than a jet fighter, can stay in the air longer, is more accurate, can operate at lower altitude and also doesn’t risk a pilot’s life.

    How do A2/AD bubbles handle drones? I have no idea, but they are growing in capability and they can win in the” numbers game” (cheap and plentiful).

    Wikipedia information for what it’s worth:

    [MORE]

    All later Predators are equipped with a laser designator that allows the pilot to identify targets for other aircraft and even provide the laser guidance for manned aircraft. This laser is also the designator for the AGM-114 Hellfire that are carried on the MQ-1.

    The Predator’s infrared camera with digitally enhanced zoom has the capability of identifying the infrared signature of a human body from an altitude of 3 km (10,000 ft), making the aircraft an ideal search and rescue tool.

    On 4 March 2002, a CIA-operated Predator fired a Hellfire missile into a reinforced Taliban machine gun bunker that had pinned down an Army Ranger team whose CH-47 Chinook had crashed on the top of Takur Ghar Mountain in Afghanistan. Previous attempts by flights of F-15 and F-16 Fighting Falcon aircraft were unable to destroy the bunker. This action took place during what has become known as the “Battle of Roberts Ridge”, a part of Operation Anaconda. This appears to be the first use of such a weapon in a close air support role.

    On 5 May 2013, an MQ-1 Predator surpassed 20,000 flight hours over Afghanistan by a single Predator. Predator P107 achieved the milestone while flying a 21-hour combat mission; P107 was first delivered in October 2004.

    An Iraqi MiG-25 shot down a Predator performing reconnaissance over the no fly zone in Iraq on 23 December 2002. This was the first time in history a conventional aircraft and a drone had engaged each other in combat. Predators had been armed with AIM-92 Stinger air-to-air missiles, and were being used to “bait” Iraqi fighters, then run. In this incident, the Predator did not run, but instead fired one of its Stingers. The Stinger’s heat-seeker became “distracted” by the MiG’s missile and missed the MiG. The Predator was hit by the MiG’s missile and destroyed. Another two Predators had been shot down earlier by Iraqi SAMs, one of them on 11 September 2001.

    During the initial phases of the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, a number of older Predators were stripped down and used as decoys to entice Iraqi air defenses to expose themselves by firing.[13][65] From July 2005 to June 2006, the 15th Reconnaissance Squadron participated in more than 242 separate raids, engaged 132 troops in contact-force protection actions, fired 59 Hellfire missiles; surveyed 18,490 targets, escorted four convoys, and flew 2,073 sorties for more than 33,833 flying hours.

    In 2006, the then–Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force General T. Michael Moseley said: “We’ve moved from using UAVs primarily in intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance roles before Operation Iraqi Freedom, to a true hunter-killer role with the Reaper.”

    In 2008, the New York Air National Guard 174th Attack Wing began the transition from F-16 piloted fighters to MQ-9 Reapers, becoming the first fighter unit to convert entirely to unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) use. In March 2011, the U.S. Air Force was training more pilots for advanced unmanned aerial vehicles than for any other single weapons system.

    • Replies: @FB
  323. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “Based on two examples, my original claim demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt the incredible power of The Lobby… W was facing intense pressure from Shelly, pleading with him to give him a bit more breathing space…DJT also was keen to please his benefactor, but was also pleading for more time in making his announcement…”

    Did I miss something? The article you posted documented Adelson’s “fury’ that he isn’t getting his way, and “shut off the “spigot” of cash to Trump.” Doesn’t sound like “incredible power”. Millions didn’t get the job done, and Shelly isn’t happy. Having trouble with comprehension?

    “Good luck trying to cite any examples of Big Pharma or any other lobby weilding that kind of power.”

    • Explain why the US pays triple any other country’s price for drugs;
    • Explain why the US spends $263 billion/year/Pharma vs $3.8 billion/year/Israel (69:1);
    • Explain why lobby spending is $208,582,489 Pharma vs $3,536,663 Pro-Israel (59:1).

    Having trouble with math? Note: Pharma is less than 10% of annual US Health Spending.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indusclient.php?id=h04

    https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying.php?ind=Q

    “Once the US regains control over its FP, it can focus on putting its own house in order.”

    The old Chicken Little ‘Sky is Falling’ mime? Why no timetable for the embassy move to Jerusalem? Why did the US lose control of Syria régime change? Why hasn’t the US bombed Iran? Why’s Shelly unhappy?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  324. Incitatus says:
    @FB

    “Jews were not allowed into Yale until 1971…”

    Nonsense. Your link states:

    “…admissions of Jews were kept down to 10% through the 1950s. Such policies were for the most part discarded during the early 1960s although the last vestiges were not eliminated at Yale University until 1970.”

    Since the article is on anti-Semitism, it doesn’t indicate whether other non-legacy groups (RCs, Blacks, etc.) were also subject to quotas. One suspects they were.

    • Replies: @FB
  325. Miro23 says:
    @FB

    ‘…I was informed at a White House meeting that U.S. diplomats had let Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries know that they could charge as much as they wanted for their oil, but that the United States would treat it as an act of war not to keep their oil proceeds in U.S. dollar assets…

    No doubt that US Dollar Reserve Status (strong dollar) is essential to fund the massive US deficits and there are plenty of organizations that want to keep it that way:

    Chinese – for years have operated a Mercantilist policy (recycling dollar trade surpluses into dollar bonds) to lower the renminbi/dollar exchange rate and support/protect their export industries. OK, they are concerned about the risk of their investments in US bonds, but they’re still the biggest holders (along with the Japanese who have the same problem).

    US Government
    – welcomes the perpetual Asian funding of their deficits allowing them to “kick the can down the road” and avoid the politically dangerous structural issues of cutting services or raising taxes.

    US Companies – are happy with record profits as they move US manufacturing jobs to low cost Asian countries. They obviously want their production to stay cheap in dollar terms which means supporting Chinese dollar recycling and the general idea of free trade/free capital flows.

    US Public – has come to expect “Every Day Low Prices” based on Asian sourcing and this seems be part of an unwritten bargain in return for “Every Day Low Interest Rates” on their savings (if they have any) and generally low taxation (at least by European standards).

    Wall St & the Neocons – use the newly created FED $ Trillions for speculation/share buy backs and ME wars (with the debt loaded onto US taxpayers). The FED helpfully creates the ZIRP environment to make it all possible.

    However, as you say, there are limits.

    For example, US academic, Dani Rodrik, shows that the World isn’t really so Flat, and that that countries are at different points in the development cycle (and have differing needs). US corporations go to China in search of a reliable source of long term cheap labour (equals higher profits), whereas the Chinese view export industries as a source of technological skill development, higher employment (than importers) and a route to industrial development (i.e. they plan to learn and compete with the US higher up the value chain, which they are successfully doing).

    For example in Industrial Robotics:

    To get there, China has a two-pronged strategy. President Xi Jinping’s government wants local industrial robotics makers like E-Deodar Robot Equipment Co., Anhui Efort Intelligent Equipment Co., and Siasun Robot & Automation Co. to take on foreign players including Japan’s Fanuc Corp. or California-based Adept Technology Inc. for leadership in the $11 billion market. Chinese corporate demand is expected to power double-digit demand for factory bots, according to Gudrun Litzenberger, General Secretary of the International Federation of Robotics. In 2016, China installed 90,000 new robots. That’s one-third of the world total and 30 percent more than the year before.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-24/resistance-is-futile-china-s-conquest-plan-for-robot-industry

    On past performance, the Chinese may well be able to get this market, since they’re so involved in large scale manufacturing, and military power is ultimately dependent on economic power.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  326. polskijoe says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Yep. Its clear Nazi Germany up to the war period had a Zionist like mentality.
    Deport the Jews to Isreal (or Madagascar).

    The transfer agreement was part of it.

    was an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933. The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. It was a major factor in making possible the migration of approximately 60,000 German Jews to Palestine in 1933–1939.

    When the war started there was more important business.

  327. @FB

    “Smart Jews and Israelis realize these things of course…”

    FB,

    (Zigh)

    Cunning Talmud-based “Smart Jews” are likely uninterested in reading about your time in “Sabbath school,” Second Coming lessons. Unless of course it’s for either Evangelical deception or general Christian-mockery purpose.

    However, it’s a given fact that the Maven, iffen-iffen, and InZit will do homage to your having seen Holocaust-survivor tatoos.

    Also, given your long-winded comment # 334, you ought consider the fact that some “smart” U.R. commenters are too constructively occupied to tatoo you back.

    Selah The Neglected Topic “Bad Moon Rising.”

    • Replies: @FB
  328. polskijoe says:
    @geokat62

    American support for Isreal is multidimensional.

    First: Jewish/Zionist lobby.
    Second: Military (as a base in the Middle East)
    Third: Freemasonry
    Fourth: (influenced from above): the Evangelicals (I call them JudeoChristians) who have a Scofield / dispensationalist approach. Basically a heresy so to speak.

    • Replies: @L.K
  329. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    The article you posted documented Adelson’s “fury’ that he isn’t getting his way…

    Did I miss something?

    Did I miss something? Didn’t Shelly ultimately get his way?

    Having trouble with comprehension?

    I thought I already conceded that I’m just a dumb goy?

    Explain why lobby spending is $208,582,489 Pharma vs $3,536,663 Pro-Israel (59:1).

    $3.5M measly bucks, Incy, really? You can’t be serious? The Lobby has 7 scalps to its name. How many do the other lobbies have? I’ll give you a clue, it starts with the letter “z.”

    The old Chicken Little ‘Sky is Falling’ mime? Why no timetable for the embassy move to Jerusalem? Why did the US lose control of Syria régime change? Why hasn’t the US bombed Iran? Why’s Shelly unhappy?

    Why no timetable for the embassy move to Jerusalem? [in due time]
    Why did the US lose control of Syria régime change? [Russian intervention]
    Why hasn’t the US bombed Iran? [the neocons are working on it... it's next on their hit list of 7 in 5]
    Why’s Shelly unhappy? [he may be a bit irregular]

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  330. Sam Shama says:
    @Anonymous

    Got the wrong account. I take only Bitcoin and Dollars.

  331. L.K says:
    @geokat62

    I’d go with “ulterior motive” for sure. Guy is a certified bullshitter.

  332. L.K says:
    @polskijoe

    “Second: Military (as a base in the Middle East)”

    Nope. The ZUS have plenty of military bases in the Middle East and plenty of client states there… something Israel is not.

    In fact, the ZUSA full support for Israel hurts the ZUS position in the Middle East, and this from a US imperialist POV.

    The Saker gets it:

    Some would argue that the USA was hated and despised anyway, so why not make the Israelis happy? The answer is simple: while the Donald and the Neocons might not care about the consequences of their actions, the few US allies left in the region (Jordan, KSA) are now placed in a terrible situation: they now look as if they were allies of Satan himself! OF COURSE everybody in the region knows that the US is an Israeli colony and that the Israel Lobby pulls all the strings, there is nothing new here. But at least there was the tiny little fig leaf of the so-called “peace process” putatively “mediated” between the Palestinians and Israelis by the United States. Now even that tiny little fig leaf is gone.

    The only correction is that the US has many client states in the Mid East, not just a few.

  333. FB says:
    @Miro23

    ‘I’m no expert in military affairs but I was expecting drones to appear at some point in this conversation.’

    It would be helpful to readers if you had actually replied to either of my two comments on the subject of A2/AD…rather than an unrelated post…for reference here are those two comments where I discuss A2/AD…

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/bad-moon-rising/#comment-2116276

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/bad-moon-rising/#comment-2116791

    Drones are not designed for the SEAD mission [suppression of enemy air defenses]…a good place to start is here…

    Much of what you have quoted about UCAVs [unmanned combat aerial vehicles] is quite irrelevant to SEAD…

    I suggest you review the material I had already presented in the above two posts in order to better understand the basic nature of the SEAD vs A2/AD question…

    To review the basics here…air defenses as exemplified by modern Russian A2/AD zones rely on their physical advantage in terms of size and power of their electronics and missiles…

    Ie…their truck mounted radars and missiles are extremely powerful…much more powerful than any combat aircraft could get into the air…

    This is why Breedlove is arguing for an entirely new class of ground-based SEAD tools…which do not yet exist…

    ‘…We need more long-range, survivable, precision strike capability from the ground…’

    These ground-based SEAD weapons would be fired from standoff range…ie outside the range of the enemy air defenses…

    A highly evolved and specialized version of a subsonic cruise missile like the Tomahawk…might be a possible evolutionary route…

    I have talked quite a bit on some other threads here about the technical characteristics of cruise missiles on other threads…

    Basically a cruise missile is actually an aircraft more than a ‘missile’…it flies at passenger jet speeds…uses a turbofan engine like an aircraft…and uses wings for aerodynamic lift…

    This type of weapon has good standoff range…and also has the advantage of flying low to terrain…which helps it hide from enemy radar…

    The problem is that it does not have the capability to home in on a target like an air defense radar…only aircraft fired HARM missiles [high-speed anti-radiation missiles] have that capability…but their range is inadequate…90 miles max…[in practice a lot less]

    Modifying a Tomahawk type weapon to be able to home in on enemy radars is conceptually possible…but in reality would be quite challenging in a number of specific technical areas…ie how to overcome enemy jamming…

    [we note that any aircraft is at a physical disadvantage vis a vis ground based equipment when it comes to electronic warfare...ie a big ground radar can both 'burn through' airborne jamming equipment which is a lot smaller and less powerful...

    ...and the reverse is also true...ie a small airborne platform can be more easily jammed by a big ground based radar...

    The other problem is knowing where to look for enemy air defense radars...as I had mentioned these are mounted on trucks and can move around at will...

    Lockheed U2 high altitude ‘spy plane’…[still a great aircraft after 60 years in service...]

    The U2 carries both visual and other spectrum sensors…and is quite useful in detecting the presence of hidden air defense systems…its disadvantage is that it cannot get close enough to long-range SAM [surface to air missile] systems like the S300/400…

    …or even older legacy Soviet SAMs…as was the case with Serbia in 1999…

    ‘…Because of that persistent threat, mission planners had to place such high-value surveillance-and-reconnaissance platforms as the U-2 and JSTARS in less-than-ideal orbits to keep them outside the lethal reach of enemy SAMs…’

    The Grumman E8 ‘JSTARS’ [Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System]… is a much bigger aircraft based on the Boeing 707 that…’tracks ground vehicles and some aircraft, collects imagery, and relays tactical pictures to ground and air theater commanders…’

    The above quote from a 2002 analysis by Dr. Benjamin S. Lambeth…published in the Aerospace Power Journal…the USAF’s flagship professional publication…[page 16 for the citation above]

    This analysis makes for a good read for those genuinely interested in learning something about how SEAD works…

    http://www.airuniversity.af.mil/Portals/10/ASPJ/journals/Volume-16_Issue-1-4/sum02.pdf

    Lambeth in his summary envisages the advent of UAV technology to the SEAD challenge at some point in the future…and the current Northrop Grumman RQ4 performs a role similar to the U2 [and with similar limitations as regards staying outside the range of enemy SAMs...]

    As for the General Atomics MQ1 ‘Predator’ and MQ9 ‘Reaper’ that you mention…these have no possible role currently in any kind of potential SEAD operation…

    The ‘Predator’ has a cruise speed of about 100 mph and is powered by a four-cylinder piston engine seen in light private aircraft…

    The larger ‘Reaper’ is more capable with a cruise speed of about 200 mph…and is powered by a turboprop engine seen in civil aircraft like the Beechcraft King Air…[a turboprop is a gas turbine engine...ie a jet engine...that drives a propeller rather than using its jet exhaust for propulsion]…

    These are remotely piloted by qualified military pilots [an increasingly popular choice for airmen in the various forces]…by means of a satellite comm link…[there is an inevitable delay associated with that which decreases flight control reaction time in comparison to human-piloted craft...]

    These types of craft are useful for reconnaissance as well as hitting ground targets…but they are hopeless against anything more sophisticated than non-state actors…

    • Replies: @Miro23
  334. Sam Shama says:
    @FB

    Yes, there is of course truth in some of the subject matter you’ve introduced as a means to put into perspective a most delicate touch the English customarily applied at various shores they staked a claim with the noblest orders of the Garter.

    The histories of colonial plantations in Ireland are not to be forgotten, and the Irish do not. Similarly, Jews along with other ethnicities have been the brunt of much social belittling and antipathy. But in all cases, it’s really of no use looking at the rearview mirror to estimate the path ahead. At least not principally.

    I am not sure about this notion of Israel being a tool of global hegemony for the US. I have thoughts on it, somewhat similar but cannot say they are fully ripe yet.

    In any case, the humbling experiences of Jewish immigrants at the hands of the established order, whenever such occurred, were more the result of a disdain for the less than properly groomed, as it were, than a pronouncement on their religious faith. Certainly not so for the very earliest Jewish migrations including the establishment of the first synagogue at Rhode Island. The prototypical depictions of the hunchbacked and hook-nosed Jew, etc. all came much later. Furthermore, admission to colleges wasn’t blocked by decree as much as capped. [Incitatus makes this point]

    So, as to the biblical fervour of the Founding Fathers, I had written about it in the past:

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/welcome-to-greater-israel/#comment-1713021

    The Pilgrims arriving on these shores were imbued with a sense of destiny openly proclaimed as inspirations drawn from Biblical motifs of Hebrews fleeing the Pharaoh (see Abraham Katsh, The Biblical Heritage of American Democracy)

    Many of the Founding Fathers were trained Hebrew scholars, went to the elite schools of this country – which, to this day, preserve their mottos in Biblical Hebrew – and gave their commencement speeches in Hebrew.

    It was once contemplated that the Constitution be written in Hebrew.

    Take it from George Washingon who wrote invoking the Prophet Micah to the members of a Rhode Island synagogue:

    “May the children of the stock of Abraham who dwell in the land continue to merit and enjoy the goodwill of the other inhabitants. While everyone shall sit safely under his own vine and fig-tree and there shall be none to make him afraid.”

    Or take John Adams in a letter to F.A. Van Der Kemp, 16 February 1809:

    “… I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations. If I were an atheist of another sect… I should still believe that chance had ordered the Jews to preserve and propagate for all mankind the doctrine of a supreme, intelligent, wise almighty sovereign of the universe, which I believe to be the great essential principle of all morality, and consequently of all civilization… They are the most glorious nation that ever inhabited this earth. The Romans and their Empire were but a bauble in comparison to the Jews. They have given religion to three quarters of the globe and have influenced the affairs of mankind more, and more happily than any other nation, ancient or modern.” As quoted in: Allan Gould, What Did They Think of the Jews, (New Jersey, 1997), pp. 71-72.

    So Hebrew, or more precisely the Bible in Hebrew is very much in the DNA of this great nation, and may it always be so.

    There, enough ordinance for some here to start nuclear fission! :-)

    • Agree: polskijoe
    • Replies: @polskijoe
    , @FB
  335. geokat62 says:

    I am not sure about this notion of Israel being a tool of global hegemony for the US. I have thoughts on it, somewhat similar but cannot say they are fully ripe yet.

    Now, be sure to share when your thoughts fully ripen, will you? If you come up with something half plausible, there may be a chance to salvage Noam Chomsky’s “dog wags tail” hypothesis.

    • LOL: FB
    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Sam Shama
  336. FB says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Also, given your long-winded comment # 334, you ought consider the fact that some “smart” U.R. commenters are too constructively occupied to tatoo you back.

    Agree…

    Clearly you are much more constructively occupied Zighing than thinking…

    • Replies: @L.K
  337. helena says:
    @Sam Shama

    Sam, you know you are not allowed to use the word trope. Trope never ever gets used except in the context of anti-Semitism and so the word is on its way to being accepted as meaning de facto ergo dim sum anti-Semitic. And I can’t afford to lose yet another word. Soon I will be so non-discriminatory that I will only be able to say ‘life’ and ‘woof’!

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  338. FB says:
    @Incitatus

    Nonsense.

    Well…if you insist on splitting hairs…there is an extensive body of literature that goes into minute detail…

    https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2001/04/04/for-jews-at-yale-a-struggle-to-be-accepted/

    In the 1980s someone found a folder in the archives labeled…

    ‘The Jewish Problem’

    http://www.nytimes.com/1986/03/04/nyregion/yale-s-limit-on-jewish-enrollment-lasted-until-early-1960-s-book-says.html

    https://www.amazon.com/The-Chosen-Admission-Exclusion-Princeton/dp/061877355X

    And much more…

    In light of above…I hardly agree that my admittedly broadish statement sinks to the level of ‘nonsense…’

  339. Sam Shama says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    First, the ‘Hillary camp’ is still very, very, active. It’s actually Obama’s camp now, and I think they are mulling over the candidate set for 2020. Hillary imho was a candidate with a depth of experience in FP and DP unmatched by any other. Which of course doesn’t speak to her abilities as much as it does for the shallowness of the rest. The Dems forced Hillary’s candidacy, a mistake they are not about to repeat in 2020. The search will likely focus on a female, including prominently, Michelle Obama.

    As far as Neocon support for Trump today I think it is fairly accurate to say Trump has adopted much of their agenda. Come to think of it he always did, if one listened carefully. As far as Jewish support, he was openly defiant at the AIPAC conference which was refreshing if not a bit puzzling, given his open support for Likud’s charter. Trump was always crystal clear about his plans. My own support for the man was strictly a function of the infrastructure plans he alluded to, if not elaborated. Jewish support for trump fell precisely along denominational lines. The ultra-orthodox and some conservatives in the Jerusalem corner strictly for Trump, whereas liberal Jews [the larger majority] didn’t much care for his oblique support for Bannon & Breitbart. They care even less for Ivanka and Jared.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  340. Miro23 says:
    @FB

    The story is that mobile air defence systems have survivability because they are mobile. They can fire and then invisibly move to an unknown location.

    The problem is this invisibility. The technological trend is surely against invisibility, taking into account big improvements in robotics and sensors, and I have the feeling that these new locations somehow will eventually be known, with the trucks finding out too late that they’re not so invisible. Just betting on the trend.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  341. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Won’t you then, please, regale us with the fireside tales of Rabbi Wise, Morgenthau, and Jabotinsky. We await with hands clasped, bright-eyed and eager.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  342. Sam Shama says:
    @helena

    Hi Helena,
    Hahaaaa. Very droll. I shan’t in the future, I promise. Are chats on the iPhone thus encumbered as well?

  343. RobinG says:
    @Miro23

    STATEMENT of XI JINPING to the 19th NATIONAL CONGRESS of the COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/download/Xi_Jinping’s_report_at_19th_CPC_National_Congress.pdf

    …..The original aspiration and the mission of Chinese Communists is to seek happiness for the Chinese people and rejuvenation for the Chinese nation. …..

    • Replies: @RobinG
  344. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Well, with you I am quite happy to share the unripe fruit.

    I think its really rather simple at some level. Israel, for reasons we needn’t get into at this juncture, is a distributor for the American arms industry. A lucrative commercial interest which makes her quite a tough little nut to crack with the hammer of ‘social justice’. Ordinary Jews can totally disclaim support for the Likud agenda, yet the arms interests will very likely not. Which means they will prevail.

  345. polskijoe says:
    @Sam Shama

    Not so much agree but certainly the Freemasons and some of Protestants
    really like Jews (whether its because of the religious part or the semitic part varies).

  346. @Sam Shama

    Sam Shama: “The Dems forced Hillary’s candidacy, a mistake they are not about to repeat in 2020.”

    (Zigh, above)

    To All,

    Under the leadership of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, he conveniently forgot to mention how the “Dems” rigged the 2016 primary for HRC.

  347. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    All he did was call you a Hitler Fanboy. Is he wrong?

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  348. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Well with you I am happy to share the unripe fruit.

    It’s really rather simple. For reasons one needn’t get into at this point, Israel happens to be an important broker/distributor for the US arms industry, making her an extremely hard nut to crack, certainly so by the mere hammer of ‘social justice’. All ordinary Jews might disclaim support for the Likud agenda but the arms interests will remain unmoved; which means they will prevail.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  349. @Sam Shama

    “… ordinary Jews might disclaim support for the Likud agenda but the arms interests will remain unmoved; which means they will prevail.”

    Yes, ideed. “Arms interests” always get what they want.

    (Zigh)

    Former POT(Z)US Barack Hussein Obama did not seem overjoyed about Netanyahu & Likud politics, but the offensive “defense” commitment to Israel remained “unmoved” at a $3.8 billion, a gift to extend annually for 10-years.

    Selah…, so what the hell “prevailed” with the Pentagon’s missing $ trillions of dollars as Defense Secretary “Rummy” complained about on 9/11 Eve?

  350. geokat62 says:

    Well, with you I am quite happy to share the unripe fruit.

    Are you suggesting I should be on the lookout for rotten tomatoes coming my way?

    Israel, for reasons we needn’t get into at this juncture, is a distributor for the American arms industry.

    So, since Israel is a distributor of US arms, America is obliged to launch the phony GWOT to regime-change those countries deemed hostile to the Jewish state? Here’s the trouble with your position, M&W clearly demonstrated in The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy that Israel is a liability to the US, not an asset.

    The only explanation for the continuation of the special relationship is due to the efforts of The Lobby, period. Everything else is simply smoke and mirrors… and you know it. Ergo, the Zionist tail wags The Dumb Goyim dog

    That said, you can commence with the launching of your rotten tomatoes.

    P.S. My response still stands notwithstanding the fact that you’ve updated your comment by inserting the words “important broker” in front of “distributor.”

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Sam Shama
  351. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    I thought American support for Israel has more to do with the efforts of The Lobby

    No, it is just icing on the cake.

    Consuming only icing is not good for you.

  352. geokat62 says:

    No, it is just icing on the cake.

    Without the efforts of The Lobby, there would be no cake on which to place the icing.

    Producing only hasbara is not good for you.

  353. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “Did I miss something? Didn’t Shelly ultimately get his way?”

    Fourth time (previous #214, #299, #336). Your source, full quote (emphasis added):

    “Eli Clifton notes that Sheldon Adelson who along with his wife Miriam are Trump’s biggest donors at $35 million — has expressed impatience with the Trump administration’s failure to move the embassy, and expressed fury when Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said he was opposed to the move.”

    “Adelson’s own newspaper in Nevada said that Adelson was nettled by Trump’s hesitancy to move the embassy, in October. While the Times of Israel said that Adelson was so pissed last spring, that he had shut off the “spigot” of cash to Trump.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/jerusalem-failure-century/comment-page-1/

    Adelson’s “impatience with the Trump administration’s failure to move the embassy.” “Failure” = ‘lack of success, nonfulfillment, defeat, flop, loss, snafu, clinker, dud, no-go, washout, loser, write-off, shortfall, crash, break down…’ Get the idea? Shelly didn’t “ultimately get his way.” Shelly failed. QED he’s unhappy.

    Explain why lobby spending is $208,582,489 Pharma vs $3,536,663 Pro-Israel (59:1).
    “$3.5M measly bucks, Incy, really? You can’t be serious? The Lobby has 7 scalps to its name. How many do the other lobbies have? I’ll give you a clue, it starts with the letter “z.”

    Numbers don’t lie. Pharma spends 59 times pro-Israel on lobbying and collects 69 times what goes to Israel. Scalps? Other lobbies have 535 live addicts doing their bidding, getting things done. Dead scalps don’t get things done.

    Why does the US pay triple any other country’s price for drugs? Hint: has nothing to do with the letter “z”.

    PS. Didn’t Trump promise to ‘self-fund’ his campaign? Drain the swamp? Why did he take $35 million from Shelly? Didn’t Trump promise to stop immigration? Why has he applied for 70 H2B visas for foreign workers for Mir-a-Lago (20 cooks, 35 waiters, 15 maids, paid $10.33-13.34/hr)? Has he moved production of his products to the US? Why does he say he’ll lose when most estimate he’ll gain $1 billion plus from ‘middle class’ tax ‘reform’?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  354. @geokat62

    Hey geokat62,

    The Maven’s threatened Tomato launch at you (from NYC to Canada) is probably funded by ISIS!

    If you see red balls with green tops, it ain’t Santa! Immediately report such sighting to Mounties.

    At any rate, zigh, the You Tube (below) displays a bizarre 9/11 Eve speech launched by then ZUS-Secretary of Defense, Shit Happens. Pentagon’s $2.3 trillion M.I.A. ?

    Thanks… I hope Shama’s missile is shorter range than that of his brain.

  355. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Adelson’s “impatience with the Trump administration’s failure to move the embassy.” “Failure” = ‘lack of success, nonfulfillment, defeat, flop, loss, snafu, clinker, dud, no-go, washout, loser, write-off, shortfall, crash, break down…’ Get the idea? Shelly didn’t “ultimately get his way.” Shelly failed. QED he’s unhappy.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, Incy, but isn’t moving the embassy a 2-step process?

    Step 1. POTUS announces a break with long-standing US policy that adhered to international law
    Step 2. relocate embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem

    I thought Shelly was frustrated with Trump for dragging his feet wrt Step 1. Chances are he is quite happy with the announcement and is eager to see other countries follow suit. Not sure he is too concerned with the timetable for the move, as he is delighted with the formal announcement that the US regards Jerusalem as Israel’s undivided capital. The Lobby once again prevails. Shelly succeeded. QED he’s happy.

    Numbers don’t lie.

    Couldn’t agree more: 7 vs 0.

    PS. 1. Didn’t Trump promise to ‘self-fund’ his campaign? 2. Drain the swamp? 3. Why did he take $35 million from Shelly? 4. Didn’t Trump promise to stop immigration? Why has he applied for 70 H2B visas for foreign workers for Mir-a-Lago (20 cooks, 35 waiters, 15 maids, paid $10.33-13.34/hr)? 5. Has he moved production of his products to the US? 6. Why does he say he’ll lose when most estimate he’ll gain $1 billion plus from ‘middle class’ tax ‘reform’?

    1. It takes several billions to mount a presidential campaign. That means only trillionaires can self-fund.
    2. To truly drain the swamp, Americans need to demand their elected representatives commit to immediately implementing every single item on this list:

    1. repeal the non-restriction Immigration and Nationality Act (Hart-Celler Act) of 1965
    2. repeal the Magnitsky Act
    3. reinstate the draft
    4. public money for public elections
    5. all foreign agents must register under FARA
    6. no dual citizens in positions of high office
    7. all those countries who have, or are suspected of having, nuclear weapons must become a signatory of the NPT
    8. end the occupation, now
    9. no more regime-change wars for Israel
    10. no more tribute paid to Israel
    11. no more UN vetoes for Israel
    12. the perpetrators of the illegal invasion of Iraq, Libya, and the destruction of Syria must be brought to justice
    13. the perpetrators of torture must be brought to justice

    3. See #1
    4. See #1 on my baker’s dozen list
    5. don’t know
    6. don’t know

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @Incitatus
  356. @polskijoe

    Yep. Its clear Nazi Germany up to the war period had a Zionist like mentality.
    Deport the Jews to Isreal (or Madagascar).

    Sloppy thinking, Polskijo.

    National Socialist German Worker’s Party was, um, nationalistic; intent on expelling those Jews who had migrated from other countries bringing with them Communistic ideology; NS was anti-central banking, anti-usury. NS defended itself using its own manpower and military doctrine.

    Zionism was / is messianic, utiopian, predatory, not only usurious but also committed to obtaining financing and political & military support from one or another of the major powers of its day.

    Important to understand that Edwin Black’s groundbreaking revelation of a transfer agreement was most likely a limited hangout. Black never tells the whole story.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  357. @Sam Shama

    iffen did not call out fanboy.

    try to keep up, Sam.

  358. geokat62 says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Important to understand that Edwin Black’s groundbreaking revelation of a transfer agreement was most likely a limited hangout. Black never tells the whole story.

    Hey, S2C. Care to elaborate?

  359. FB says:
    @geokat62

    Why hasn’t your Ponzi scheme been introduced into other economies, like Japan’s, Korea’s (both N and S), or more importantly, Israel’s?

    That’s actually a good question…

    And of course there is a good answer…

    First here is my original post on the issue of an economy as Ponzi scheme…

    The gist of the comment is that perpetual economic growth…compound interest…and Ponzi schemes are all examples of a particular type of mathematical function…exponential growth…

    In order to sustain exponential growth…mature economies must increase their population base…

    Note the word ‘mature’ there…that means the economy has already reached an advanced stage of industrial development and thus productivity cannot be expected to grow significantly…not enough to keep up with perpetual, year-on-year economic growth that is demanded by an economy based on money that originates as interest-bearing debt…

    So with the case of Korea…it was not an industrial country 50 years ago…but has become what we can consider an advanced economy recently…

    So it’s ability to grow further in productivity is now much reduced…

    So…why does Korea not need massive immigration to sustain its economy…?

    The fact is that immigration to Korea is growing quickly…and only very recently…

    There are now two million legal foreign residents in ROK…the model is very similar to that of West Germany in the 1950s and ’60s in that they are guest workers and do not generally qualify for citizenship…with the exception of wealthy people who come with money…

    I had talked about the German guest worker policy in greater detail in an earlier comment here…

    So we have another nation that like Germany in its early advanced industrial stage must start bringing in more people…

    In the case of Korea…there is yet one more issue at play…that is that the US is basically bribing Korea in order to keep it as a military vassal and keep US troops there, which are not popular with the Korean people…

    The specific form of this bribe is the United States–Korea Free Trade Agreement [aka KORUS]…

    This arrangement is hugely disadvantageous to the US auto industry in particular…but also appliances etc…ROK sells huge numbers of cars to the US…while only a handful are imported the other way…

    Justin Raimondo had a good take on this recently…suggesting that scrapping the KORUS and pulling out US troops from the peninsula would defuse the North Korea ‘problem’…an eminently sensible suggestion…

    ‘…The relationship between South Korea and the United States is unique in the history of empires. In the past, imperial powers have extracted resources from client states, protectorates, and outright colonies, setting up mercantilist arrangements that basically plundered their territories in the “Third World” for the benefit of domestic producers. The British empire is – or, rather, was – the exemplar of this system of exploitation.

    Britain’s American cousins have stood this extractive system on its head. Instead of forcing open markets and granting monopoly status to domestic producers, the Americans have reversed the terms of exploitation.

    In exchange for allowing US troops to occupy their territory, America’s Asian protectorates have been granted tariff-free access to our markets. And despite the “free trade” label attached to these agreements, the playing field is anything but level: in the case of South Korea, for example, non-tariff barriers to trade – such as safety standards – have been allowed to stand, particularly in the case of automobiles and appliances. Similar disparities are encoded in our trade agreements with Japan.

    And so the American empire is unique in world history in that, instead of economically exploiting its vassal states, it allows its vassals to protect their own industries behind trade barriers while they are given relatively free access to the US market.

    The result has been the hollowing out of the US industrial base, with once prosperous cities like Detroit in ruins. This isn’t “free trade” – it’s a trade policy distorted by militarism and imperialism…’

    There is yet another piece to this new kind of ‘imperialism’ and that involves the financial sphere…

    Korea is part of the US financial empire…ie its banking system works on the same principle of money created as debt…and that money bearing interest…which, in turn, demands perpetual economic growth like a Ponzi scheme…

    This system is the big problem in everything…

    I have talked already about the ascendancy of the financial sector over the industrial sector in previous comments here…Michael Hudson has written about this with incredible detail and historical perspective…

    What it amounts to is that the ‘money men’ have taken over…even 50 years ago, the industrialist was King…this was an era when the shop floor worker made about one tenth that of the company chief…

    The financial overhead on the economy was minimal…today it is astronomical…about one third of the economy is the FIRE sector…it is basically a tax of over 30 percent on everyone here…

    This is basically the parasite now devouring the host…as Hudson puts it…there is no longer any way to sustain this Ponzi scheme other than for it to devour its host…by hollowing out everything that is of any value…including the ‘public weal’…ie everything that rightfully belongs to the people…

    For example our natural resources…our publicly funded infrastructure…[why should there be a 'toll' on roads built by tax money...?]

    And much more…

  360. @FB

    Did you go to Air Force Academy, FB (FlyBoy or FanBoy?)

    • Replies: @FB
  361. geokat62 says:
    @FB

    That’s actually a good question…

    Not bad for a “blockhead,” huh?.

    And of course there is a good answer…

    You call that “good”?

    To be good, you’ll have to explain why we’ll never see your Ponzi scheme (based on exponential growth) in Israel.

    Good luck!

    • Replies: @FB
  362. @FB

    Hey FB,

    “And much more” on your (groundbreaking?) economy as Ponzi scheme, below, from the non-prolix Brother Nathanael

    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=377

    • Replies: @FB
  363. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    It is actually over-ripe fruit that tends to rot and your “GWOT….Villa in the jungle” droning is a better one for that simile.

    No, Israel’s status as a distributor/broker cannot and did not oblige the USA to wage wars. That is your incessant refrain. Doesn’t make it true. American wars never needed much prompting. They were a common enough fixture with different motivations.

    Anyway, how are the snow conditions in Canuck-land? Or are you in Washington protesting outside the Capitol building?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  364. @FB

    FB,

    Tapped “post” comment too quick! Missed adding following question:

    Where did Madoff’s $50 billion go and wherefore The Penttagon’s $ trillions?

    Selah, when does parasite get promoted to host and when does host get demoted and become parasite?

  365. FB says:
    @Sam Shama

    ‘…So Hebrew, or more precisely the Bible in Hebrew is very much in the DNA of this great nation, and may it always be so…’

    Well…one snippet from one letter from John Adams [out of hundreds] hardly comprises the ‘DNA of this great nation…’

    As for the part about the Founding fathers being Hebrew scholars…there is only really one source where this claim springs from…a somewhat obscure 1977 bookthe Biblical Heritage of American Democracy…by Abraham Isaac Katsh…

    …and this appears to be the wellspring of this trope among various Jewish talking circles…

    In any case…all of the high-principled talk of the Founding Fathers…including the Declaration, Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc…all look great in their glass bookcases at the National Archives Museum…

    …and have absolutely nothing to do with reality…having been daily trampled in practice from day one…

    When it comes to the actual denominations of the Founding Fathers it was overwhelmingly Anglican…with Presbyterian and congregationalist making up most of the rest…

    And before we get too carried away with this supposed ‘biblical DNA’ of the US…let us not forget the ‘separation off church and state’ which was very much an enlightenment idea…as was much of the ideology expressed in the aforementioned documents…in fact much more so than any ‘biblical’ notions…

    ‘…The American Enlightenment was a period of intellectual ferment in the thirteen American colonies in the period 1714–1818, which led to the American Revolution, and the creation of the American Republic…’

    So just to bring some precision to bear on some of the stuff you have thrown up here…

    That is not to say that there is not much to admire of the Jewish legacy…I know the Old Testament quite well…thanks to my evangelical childhood…and appreciate a great deal of it…

    I also find a lot of it self-contradictory…as in the New Testament as well…

    One thing that the ancient Jews got right was the idea of the Jubilee…every 50 years a statutory debt forgiveness…Michel Hudson…probably the foremost scholar of ancient economies has remarked on this in some detail…

    There is also the prohibition of usury…at least among Jews…but which does not apply to Gentiles…again…usury or interest on debt is a huge part of the exponential math problem of today’s economy…

    The Muslims also forbid usury…as do other cultures…it is something that was learned to be necessary by the ancients…

    Aristotle in his work Politics…describes the idea of honorable and dishonorable methods of gaining wealth…

    ‘…There are two sorts of wealth-getting, as I have said; one is a part of household management, the other is retail trade:

    …the former necessary and honorable, while that which consists in exchange is justly censured; for it is unnatural, and a mode by which men gain from one another.

    The most hated sort, and with the greatest reason, is usury, which makes a gain out of money itself, and not from the natural object of it.

    For money was intended to be used in exchange, but not to increase at interest.

    And this term interest, which means the birth of money from money, is applied to the breeding of money because the offspring resembles the parent.

    Wherefore of all modes of getting wealth this is the most unnatural.

    So we see here actually three tiers of ‘respectability’ as per the Great Thinker…

    The most honorable of course is the household industry…ie if a farm producing milk, cheese, produce etc…

    If a household trade producing practical items such as horseshoes, candles, pots…and all the other trades etc…

    But then we have the ‘merchants’ who buy from one and sell to the other…ie the middlemen…clearly this is not as honorable from a moral perspective…

    Finally we have lending money at interest…ie usury…

    Now Sam would have us believe that there is nothing to learn from the past…

    But this is not so…Aristotle’s insight into human economic relationships exactly puts the finger on the great problem of our Ponzi economy…and Hudson’s great scholarship into ancient economies has brought incredibly useful and applicable savvy…

    We should also note that a big part of the enmity towards Jews from Europeans, including in the US, has been their involvement in middleman trading and money lending…

    There is here something of a chicken and egg conundrum…as the medieval European trade guilds did exclude Jews…so they had nowhere to turn but to the more frowned upon methods of making a living…

    Now…as for your statement…

    I am not sure about this notion of Israel being a tool of global hegemony for the US. I have thoughts on it, somewhat similar but cannot say they are fully ripe yet.

    What part aren’t you sure about…the part about the US being in the business of global hegemony…?

    Or the part about Israel being a prime accomplice in said project…?

    You subsequently mentioned the role of Israel as a ‘distributor’ of US weapons for the benefit of the MIC…

    Interesting…

    So Israel is some kind of middleman in the weapons market…?

    To whom exactly are they distributing/brokering said weapons…other than non-state actors…ie illegal armed groups…?

    • Replies: @Miro23
  366. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    It is actually over-ripe fruit that tends to rot…

    True enough. Being a typical Hellene, I got it backwards.

    That is your incessant refrain. Doesn’t make it true.

    C’mon, Sam. You know M&W are not antisemites and their magnum opus was spot on. Why not come out and admit it? The truth will set you free, ya’ know.

    Anyway, how are the snow conditions in Canuck-land?

    Given how friggen cold it is up here, I’m seriously considering becoming a snowbird.

    Or are you in Washington protesting outside the Capitol building?

    I’m ready, willing, and able. Just sitting tight… waiting for the signal.

    • Replies: @iffen
  367. FB says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    And you have what to say exactly…’Solonto Greasus’…?

    • Replies: @helena
    , @SolontoCroesus
  368. FB says:
    @geokat62

    Appreciate the critique…

    Next time will keep in mind the ‘blockhead’ part…

  369. FB says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I think ‘Brother Natahniel’ is trying hard to give the Orthodox Christian religion a bad name…

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  370. L.K says:
    @FB

    Chuck to fB
    “Also, given your long-winded comment # 334, you ought consider the fact that some “smart” U.R. commenters are too constructively occupied to tatoo you back.”

    Chuck is right, Stalinist pig. Most well informed folks can easily debunk your BS, several already have given you a good hiding, but, unlike you, people have lives, you know, things like jobs, family, etc., so few if any can compete in a game of spamming with you…

    There is a HUGE difference between ‘thinking’ and spamming the comment section here with an avalanche of LIES.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @FB
    , @Anonymous
  371. Miro23 says:
    @FB

    For money was intended to be used in exchange, but not to increase at interest.

    And this term interest, which means the birth of money from money,

    Well, “Ursury” could be called “Loan Sharking”, but you seem to be rejecting the concept of credit in general. If this is the case, then what are good investments or bad investments, or are they all bad?

    Maybe there is such a thing as a good investment (benefits the borrower and the lender). The borrower gets to undertake a worthwhile project and the lenders get their capital repaid with interest.

    Good borrrowing?

    - Americans borrowing money from London to open up the American West (railroads).
    - Europeans borrowing money from the United States to rebuild Europe after WW2.
    - Brin & Page borrowing to launch Google.

    Bad borrowing?

    - Issuing government debt to fund ME wars.
    - Feeding credit into “financial engineering” (creating money from money e.g. share buy backs) or speculative bubbles.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @FB
  372. FB says:

    Do they let you out from time to time…you know into the world of regular people…?

    Just wondering…I was under the impression that mouth-foamers were kept at a safe distance from society…?

  373. many of them have remained true to their Democratic Party values on nearly everything but foreign policy, where they are irredeemable hawks,

    Uh, which party lost us nearly a million lives to war in the last century?

  374. @DaveE

    Then, next minute, you appear as a stupid black of the BLM / Antifa crowd, simply obsessed with taking cheap shots at the WASP to massage your battered ego…..

    Sounds more like a Mick to me.

    Especially in the snarky reference to our own Hibernophobe, Derb.

  375. helena says:
    @FB

    the name Solon to Croesus gets the cigar for wit, prescience and salience. it wasnt till I watched a documentary about ancient grease that i got it.

    • Replies: @FB
  376. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @L.K

    Yep, he’s pretty much spamming this thread with weak lies. Ah well, my “ignore” list just got updated.

  377. helena says:
    @polskijoe

    “England’s wealth in the later Middle Ages was its land*, the exploitation of which engaged most Englishmen: growing corn, producing dairy goods, tending livestock. England’s most important industry, textiles, was indirectly based on the land, producing the finest wool in Europe from often very large sheep flocks: St Peter’s abbey, Gloucester, owned over 10,000 sheep by 1300, when the total number in England is thought to have been in the region of fifteen to eighteen millions.”

    Do you think it means people? Maybe.

    *ditto 21st century – land for development: billionaire homes in London, standard cheap flats and semis throughout the rest of the country to house the overflow from Africa and South Asia. UK will be a housing estate. An outer suburb of Zootopia. “No comparative advantage for agriculture – grain grows best on north European plain and US plains.” An agricultural consultant told me that in 2003.

  378. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    You know M&W are not antisemites

    Guilty until proven innocent. :)

    Actually, I have some questions about M.

  379. Sam Shama says:
    @Miro23

    You are exactly right, and posing very important questions. I don’t have the time this week but at some point, over the following week I’ll respond to this “exponential growth, Usury, Ponzi Scheme” malarky.

    • LOL: FB
  380. @FB

    It was a question, not a statement.

    Tagging “FB” with FlyBoy just popped into my head, and the FanBoy part = (blush) inner smart ass slipped the leash. Profound apologies if the offense caused snowflake melt.

    Your archive shows a number of highly technical discussions of air-borne weapons systems, and your comments on this page unearth a benighted view of WWII history.

    Zevi Weiss initiated a campaign to “expand consciousness” (of the holocaust dogma) in American universities and also military academies. The project was uuugely successful at the Air Force Academy and, presumably, throughout the Air Force.

    Those two concepts combined — hi information on air warfare, benighted view of an important historic figure and era — reminded me of record-breaking flyboy Chris Stewart, now US representative from Utah. Stewart, a Mormon, is a hawk’s hawk whose passionate defense of Israel is exceeded only by his passionate denunciations of Iran. Stewart’s an interesting character: his father was an Air Force pilot and his mother voted Mother of the Year in Utah. Maybe his mother’s influence is responsible for Stewart’s favorite expression — Oh my Goodness! – recited in a child-like voice but incongruously attached to a whopper like, “Oh my Goodness! Iran has killed more Americans than any other state.” FB made me think of Rep. Chris Stewart.

    I think it’s important to get the history right, at very least for pragmatic reasons: Beginning with the WWI beta, and deployed in full in WWII, US PtB have perfected, and still deploy, a protocol whereby a designated enemy — who has never attacked the US home territory —
    ~is propagandized and vilified,
    ~then sanctioned with the goal of economically weakening or destroying,
    ~as a softening up to the military “option.”
    ~Lies and occasional false-flag attacks are centerpieces of this protocol,
    employed to frighten and benumb — bedumb — the American people into acquiescence.

    Iran is next in line to experience the Anglo-Zionist protocol.
    USA was NOT established to behave in that way. It’s not the aspirational model of US value set.

    It’s not unlikely that this protocol has lengthy historic roots; I don’t know that for a fact, but it’s possible. Archeologist Eric Cline analyzed the biblical account of Joshua’s conquest of Jericho and identified similar procedures and concluded that the campaign was self-consciously but brilliantly conceived to invade, destroy, displace and dispossess. The Hebrew people had a long history of interaction and violence with and against the Assyrians and other warrior tribes; it’s reasonable that they would have selected from a smorgasbord of best practices for conquest. In fact, the Zionist artist Lilien depicts Theodor Herzl as an “Assyrian king,” and also as the Moses in his vengeful, Levitic mode (see E. M. Lilien and the Illustration of a Regenerated Race.

    However, that protocol is antithetical to what the founders of USA had in mind for the way the American people interacted with other states. https://www.varsitytutors.com/earlyamerica/milestone-events/george-washingtons-farewell-address-full-text

  381. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    So, oh Rooter-tooter the Insightful, your proposal would be for Jews to block Muslim immigration to Europe, to the extent they are able to.

    no Sam

    my proposal, if I had made one (I hadn’t) would be for Europeans (and their diaspora) to recognize that historically (and currently, if actions speak louder than words) Jews hate their white, Christian guts, and want to see their children blended with non-whites into a mongrel race of subservient, (culturally cut off from their heritage and traditions) slaves and cannon fodder. If Muslims are the most convenient non-whites for that purpose, (as in Europe they seem to be, whereas in N. America they’re using Hispanics and Muslims and everything and anything else they can), then ((they’ll)) use Muslims.

    If I make a proposal, it’s not intended to ‘wake up ‘the Jews”, but rather to wake up their victims.

    I don’t think you can ‘wake up’ the Jews. There was a Jewish author some time back, (don’t remember the name) who wrote a book or article or something warning against Mexican immigration and it’s trajectory to disenfranchise whitey (duh). Well he was arguing that when Jose becomes ascendant, that Jose and Maria just don’t seem to have the same guilt gene reflex that whitey does, and maybe they won’t soil their knickers over Holocaust guilt and be ‘good for the Jews’ when they take over.

    His message fell on deaf ears. The Jews simply don’t care if they (other Jews) suffer the consequences of their anti-white hatred (as so many did during the Holocaust for instance or all the other serial expulsions Jews have experienced over the centuries). The ‘Jews’ are motivated by an intractable and endemic hatred. I can’t ‘wake them up’.

    But we can all try to wake up the people of Western civilization to their serial treachery and genocidal malice.

    Jewish banksters controlling the money supply (and therefor everything else of consequence) in the West will result in horrors writ large, as it did in the last Jewish century, just as it will in this one, unless we are able to do something about it.

    That’s my mantra Sam. That’s my agenda. To wake up the Russian and the Ukrainians- that they’ve both been victims of Jewish treachery for over a hundred years, and to get them to think, and stop hating their white, Christian brothers, and do something about Kolomoiskys and all the other Zionist Jews using them as chumps to slaughter each other.

    Reforming Kolomoisky (or the Kagan cabal) is like trying to reform a scorpion. Good luck with that.

    Well hadn’t you better do something about It? Gather you Knights!

    that’s right!

    you Zionist Jews can send your Mossad to assassinate the man

    but you can’t assassinate the idea

    it lives in the blood of the West

    and that is why your obsession with destroying that blood is what rankles your collective ethos into contorted wraiths of pure hatred

    keep ‘printing’ Sam

    that’s what you’re good at

    but the two most powerful men in the world are sympathetic to Western Civilization, as Europe turn hard right

    can you print your shekels fast enough?

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @helena
  382. @Sam Shama

    Cast not your pearls before swine.

  383. @polskijoe

    Didn’t intend to take such a harsh tone, polskiejoe; apologies.

    I’m a maximalist; I don’t want to ‘move the Overton window,’ I want to smash the frame to smithereens and construct a new narrative that’s more consistent with the facts-and-evidence based world.

    Someone in another little group that talks about these topics used to write –
    BITTGASO
    (burn it to the ground and start over).

    • Replies: @helena
  384. @FB

    (Zigh) Thus spake FB: “I think Brother Nathanael is trying hard to give the Orthodox Christian religion a Bad name”

    FB,

    You are likely young and in need of deeper historical perspective on learned & aware Christians who have suffered persecution up to martyrdom for speaking to Power.

    There is a record of Russian Orthodox clergy & “kulak” believers who were afraid for their well being while under restrictive Marxist-Leninism. They expressed concerns that Patriarch Nikon had dangerously crossed the Soviet Third Rail and subsequently jeopardized them.

    (Zigh) Your words, quoted above, on Bro Nat and his great church tradition are superfluous. Did you ever pause to consider how the Palestinian Orthodox Church sees the work of Brother Nathanael, especially his particular (focused) exposure of unaccountable Jewish greed & murderous oppression in the Holy Land?

    (Zigh) The Russian Orthodox Patriarch Nikon spoke openly against Bolshevik evil and he was put on State show trial for doing so. (Zigh) Under the boot of elite & secular US Jews, will such fate become that of Brother Kapner?

    Lastly, KB. Ever hear about the 1930′s political activism of Father Charles Coughlin? My late-paternal Uncle Hank once memorably told me, “It’s shitty how big shots in my Roman Catholic Church made tracks away from this good priest.”

    Good news for some? In the video linked below, even FB can look & maybe learn something about Father Coughlin who was indeed blessed by having quite a spirit & a large enthusiastic audience.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @polskijoe
  385. Rurik says:
    @Rurik

    and that is why your obsession with destroying that blood is what rankles your collective ethos into contorted wraiths of pure hatred

    right after writing these words I stumbled onto Drudge

    The average human vessel contains about 5 liters of blood. She was found with less than a teaspoon.

    …
 A dead body cannot bleed out, which meant that Kasian had likely been alive for the duration. He concluded that Kasian had likely suffered, potentially for up to eight hours, before she finally succumbed.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/murder-mayhem-torture-sunset-strip-tragic-story-budding-director-his-dead-girlfriend-1068725

    what is it about draining the blood?!

    a quick look at the book they guy wrote

    The story creates a world where Nazis, old and new alike, are allied with Middle Eastern terrorists, joined over a mutual despising of Israel and its usual political ally the United States.

    http://www.seattlepi.com/lifestyle/blogcritics/article/Graphic-Novel-Review-Operation-Redux-by-5920819.php

    here’s a cover of his graphic novel

    https://pulllist.comixology.com/sku/JUN141259/Operation-Redux

    reminds me of the scenes from this charming movie

  386. FB says:
    @helena

    Ahh yes Helena…the wonders of ancient grease…it does take you back doesn’t it…?

  387. @FB

    Hey FB,

    Regret my having stepped upon my dick while pontificating on Patriarch Nikon.

    Was in the wrong Russian history century and the subject Patriarch was Tikhon.

    As the great Russian Orthodox Church Monestary is named St. Tikhon’s & is located in S. Canaan, (appx.) 40 miles from Scranton, I feel bad about attributing Nikon’s name to the fate of Tikhon under the largely Jewish Bolsheviks. *

    * Saint Tikhon’s Monestary is the 2nd Orthodox Monestary establshed in North America. Location is South Canaan, the village where Stephen Weed gave sanctuary to fugitive Patty Hearst. Oh Jesus — hope her surname is not “Hurst.”

  388. FB says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I had mentioned Father Coughlin several times already…

    Like I said…less time Zighing might be something for you to consider…

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  389. helena says:
    @Rurik

    There’s a lot of talk in the UK about people deserting the centre ground of politics and moving to the extreme left and right. And it occurred to me, forgive me if I’m stating the obvious, that the left is largely atheist and there is some support for Palestine. Whilst the right is mostly one way or another promoting Christian European values. The centre at the moment is pro-Israel, we know that. So, in effect people are moving away from Jewish-influenced politics towards Islam or Christianity influenced politics. “I know, let’s mix together the three Abrahamic faiths and see what happens!”. Who said that?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  390. helena says:
    @FB

    Purple french tail lights and thirty inch fins, oh yeah!

    • LOL: FB
  391. @FB

    FB,

    You rank close to top of The Grand U.R. Obfuscator, The Maven Shama. In fact, InZit gets my 2nd place vote. You 3rd, Sherman distant 4th, and then comes little iffen-iffen who only deserves “dishonorable mention.”

    (Zigh)

    Otherwise, who the hell do you think you are? Advising me not to “Zigh” when making comments here? Doubtless, your “thinking” and it’s written expression is one of many sparks (iskra) which provokes such pained verbal-exhalation.

    Good job, FB.

    Selah (Zigh) while listening to the Trump Neoconservatives.

    • Replies: @FB
  392. helena says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Well don’t use the phrase ‘construct a narrative’ because that phrase relates directly to the concept that, political correctness is worth more than truth. Thanks.

    bittgaso is exactly what the Marxists are trying; Year Zero, pull down the statues. But if history has taught us anything, it is that history teaches us something.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  393. FB says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Otherwise, who the hell do you think you are? Advising me not to “Zigh” when making comments here?

    Just a suggestion…would you rather take a pill instead…?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  394. @FB

    Thus spake FB: “Ahh yes Helena…the wonders of ancient grease.”

    FB,

    Your host-and-parasite spin wheel needs Greece-ing.

    I can not think of a physical (natural) example where I can make a case for creature “parasites” to dynamically evolve and become “hosts.”

    Grant it although such phenomenon does happen in meaningful Aesop cables and Grimm fairy tales?

    But you err (Trumpian “Big Time”) by having used the STATIC political example of Israel as “parasite” and the US as “host.”

    (Zigh)

  395. @FB

    FB to me: “Just a suggestion…would you rather take a pill instead…?”

    Hm. A question.

    Is there an L.S.D. variant-pill one can take that provokes a good trip and I might see groping gorillas chasing Nikki Haley down Pennsylvania Avenue?

    Let me know, FB?

    • Replies: @FB
  396. FB says:
    @Miro23

    Well, “Ursury” [sic] could be called “Loan Sharking”, but you seem to be rejecting the concept of credit in general.

    It escapes me completely how you get to this notion from anything I have presented here…

    Aristotle didn’t say anything against lending…only lending with interest attached…

    The problem with that is quite simple…and boils down to basic math…I have already pointed this out…but let’s step back a moment and go over some 101 type material…

    First two basic questions…

    1…How is money created…?

    2…Who creates money…?

    You and many others probably do not fully understand this…so…

    1. Money is created exclusively as new debt…

    It works like this…an individual, corporation, or nation goes to a lender and asks for a loan…

    The lender [or consortium of lenders...ie commercial banks] approve the loan and punch in the amount of money on a computer keyboard…

    The money is instantly created from nothing…and transferred to the account of the borrower…

    The lending bank does not need to have this money in advance…in fact they do not have it…they are only required by law to hold 10 percent of all loans outstanding as reserves…in practice, with various legal loopholes and manipulations…this is in practice usually is less than 5 percent…

    That means, in effect, if I come into the bank and deposit $500…the bank can turn around and make a loan of $10,000 to someone else…

    Where does that other $9,500 come from…?

    It comes from nowhere…because it is created by a keystroke…that is how the money supply is expanded…

    In fact the bank does not need to even wait for a depositor to come in and deposit $500…they can still make the loan…and they have a generous time window to report their reserve bookkeeping…and even at the end of that time window…if they still do not have a depositor who brings them $500…they can borrow that money from the central bank…in order to cover their reserve requirement…

    2…The only entities allowed to create money are private commercial banks…

    The government itself is not allowed to create money, other than coin and bills…which account for less than 5 percent of the total money supply…everything else is electronic money…or before computers existed as simply figures written down in ledgers…

    That’s how the system of ‘credit’ works…money is created solely on the basis of new debt…ie there must be a continual stream of new borrowers…just like a Ponzi scheme needs a continual stream of new investor/suckers…

    We recall also that this new money/debt comes with interest attached…which means that every year the amount of new money created must increase even more…simply to have enough money in the system to cover the interest payments that fall due…

    This is where we get into the math of exponential growth and Ponzi schemes…

    But before we even do that…a very simple and logical questions needs to be asked…

    Is it really a good idea to give private commercial banks the sole power to create money in our economy…?

    Some things to consider in regards to this question…

    What are the core interests of those who have been given this power…?

    Do these interests include prosperity for the people…?

    Do they include access to affordable housing…a basic human right…?

    Do they include access to employment that is fairly compensated…also a basic human right…?

    Do these interests of the private bankers include the ability of the government to provide required services as demanded by our social compact…?

    …ie law and order…defense of the nation…health care and education…etc etc etc…?

    Or do the interests of the bankers go in another direction…?

    Do these interests include redistributing the wealth from the bottom up…?

    Do they include creating a surplus of labor in order to keep wages unfairly low…?

    Do they include creating artificial scarcity that drives up prices of everyday goods and commodities that people need…?

    You had referenced robotic technology in some of your comments…and the idea that dramatic increases in manufacturing technology would provide a world of plenty for everyone ties into this…

    Here is Michael Hudson…

    Suppose you were alive back in 1945 and were told about all the new technology that would be invented between then and now: the computers and internet, mobile phones and other consumer electronics, faster and cheaper air travel, super trains and even outer space exploration, higher gas mileage on the ground, plastics, medical breakthroughs and science in general.

    You would have imagined what nearly all futurists expected: that we would be living in a life of leisure society by this time.

    Rising productivity would raise wages and living standards, enabling people to work shorter hours under more relaxed and less pressured workplace conditions.

    Do you have an answer as to why this scenario of a good life for everyone, based on our human ingenuity which has made incredible strides in every practical sense…has not materialized…?

    That’s just to get you started…you clearly need some contextual framework before we get into the actual math…

    Think about those questions I have posed here and let’s what you think about them specifically…ok…?

    PS: I noticed our own Krugman acolyte Mr. Scam Shama…is delighted with your ‘important’ questions…and is preparing a whopper of a response as we speak…

    I can’t wait…

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Miro23
  397. FB says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I have a hard time imagining why a gorilla would be chasing Nikki Haley…

    A silverback would have have a harem of far more attractive partners to choose from…no…?

  398. @helena

    2 points duly noted.

    thanks for keeping UF working toward its highest & best

    • Replies: @helena
  399. @FB

    KB to Miro23: “PS: I noticed our own Krugman acolyte Mr. Scam Shama…is delighted with your ‘important’ questions…and is preparing a whopper of a response as we speak… I can’t wait.”

    Heaven could wait for the Maven’s Krugman-based response but I will predict it, below.

    Selah, render trillion$ of debt unto Talmud Lord Caesar and render the bailout-invoice unto God’s dumb goyim people.

    • LOL: FB
  400. Miro23 says:
    @FB

    Aristotle didn’t say anything against lending…only lending with interest attached…

    OK, I get it that you don’t approve of lending with interest attached.

    My answer to that is:

    1) Banks are in business to make a profit.

    2) They make a loan (create money) that is paid back with interest. The interest is their profit.

    We recall also that this new money/debt comes with interest attached…which means that every year the amount of new money created must increase even more…simply to have enough money in the system to cover the interest payments that fall due…
    This is where we get into the math of exponential growth and Ponzi schemes…

    Your assumption is that all loans are the same. They aren’t.

    For example lending $ 1 million to Brin & Page to launch Google is a good loan (creates enough value to get paid back with interest), whereas lending $ 1 million to investors in Pets.com in the dot.com bubble, is a bad loan (little interest and a capital loss).

    There’s a constant process of capital creation and destruction, as the economy “feels” it’s way through profits and losses towards productive sectors.

    Of course the government and special interests can mess it all up, and they do.

    The government itself is not allowed to create money, other than coin and bills…which account for less than 5 percent of the total money supply…everything else is electronic money…or before computers existed as simply figures written down in ledgers…

    For people who are “not allowed to create money” they certainly get their hands on a lot of it.

    Taxes haven’t covered government spending for years, and where did they get the extra $ 6 Trillion from to pay for the destruction of the Middle East? Someone estimated that it averaged out at about $ 23.000 for each US taxpayer .

    As far as I know, US taxpayers didn’t get a $ 23.000 supplementary tax demand for the “War on Terror “, so the US government instead got the money by putting them in debt. They issued bonds which the FED took onto their books in return for crediting government accounts with $ 6 Trillion. The MIC gets paid along with Pharma, Insurance, Israel and every other Special Interest shepherded to the trough by their pet Congressmen.

    So it’s not any kind of exponential growth related to commercial banking, it’s just a mountain of bad debt (lousy investment aka looting) derived from the incestuous relationship between the Establishment, the FED and Special Interests.

    As for automation, it reaches into every area and puts a lot of people out of work ( directories , travel agents, book shops, factory assembly, warehousing, bank workers etc. and maybe checkout staff, drivers and now also professional work in lawyers offices, architecture etc.).

    The key point seems to be that Special Interest s have access to the capital – which means control of the automation – and the vast profitability will accrue to them, which seems to imply an even richer 0,1% and a society that is heading back to the Downton Abbey economic model.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @ChuckOrloski
  401. FB says:
    @Miro23

    So it’s not any kind of exponential growth related to commercial banking, it’s just a mountain of bad debt (lousy investment aka looting) derived from the incestuous relationship between the Establishment, the FED and Special Interests.

    Wrong…

    You may have noticed I presented some information to you about how money is created and who creates it…

    Which you very likely did not know to begin with…

    This is the starting point for any discussion…

    Since you have decided not to engage in that discussion and answer the questions I posed…it is pointless to continue…

    Your idea of ‘good’ and ‘bad’ loans…has nothing to do with anything of substance…ie related to the fatal flaws of the system…

    …and it appears you are not really interested in actually pursuing that question…

    Please do not waste any more of my time…

  402. peterAUS says:

    Disclaimer: I don’t get a lot about the “money thing”.

    Having cleared that (me being rather ignorant about it) I do believe that the “money thing” is the core issue of all these bad things flying around. Or, we solve the “money thing” and we pretty much solve the main problems the world is facing at the moment.
    Understanding that isn’t that hard.

    What is hard is finding a feasible alternative.

    Ignorant or not I’ve spent quite some time going through alternatives, and, of course, more one reads more he/she gets confused.
    This is how it looks like in practice:

    A person comes up with explaining all what is wrong with the current “money thing”.
    Ignorants like me can get those elements with a bit of effort.
    Then, the author presents his/her solution.
    Ignorants like me can get that solution too with a bit of effort.
    And, now the issue.
    Critics (apparently those “in the know”, not ignorants like me) shoot down the solution. Then they either present their own solution or simply point out that the current system isn’t perfect but it’s the best we can get due to inherent weaknesses of human nature/character.

    It’s like having a serious ilness and then watching several PhDs, top clinical experts, arguing which treatment suits you the best. After a while one gets lost in molecules and such. Clueless and bewildered I mean.

    The same with the “money thing”. I’ve been reading debates about the current and all the alternatives and, the same, after a while a layman simply zones out from history, percentages, complex formulas and such.So, he/she simply walks away, clueless and bewildered, thinking “well, if those very smart people can’t get to agree on that I’ll just move on and just try to do my best within the system”.

    Makes sense?

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @FB
  403. @Miro23

    Miro23,

    Great job.

    (Zigh) In contrast to Sam Shama, at least FB is smart enough to leave this particular comment-debate and avoid having dug himself into a deeper hole.

    Nevertheless, I sincerely appreciate the Maven’s talent for changing-the-subject when U.R. commenters nail him to his self-constructed cross.

    (Zigh) Am sincerely disappointed to see FB’s complete mutiny from P.G.’s “Bad Moon Rising.” However, “no hope springs eternal,” and tomorrow comes a New Giraldi article! Let’s see if his “host & parasite” distraction gets a curtain call?

    Thank you, Miro.

    • Replies: @FB
  404. FB says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Here’s an idea…

    Iridium has the highest density of any material on earth…at 22,5oo kilograms per cubic meter…

    hydrogen is the least dense at 0.04 kg/m^3…

    Noting that miro has a skull density that clearly exceeds Iridium…

    …and further noting that Chuck E Cheese has a gaseous matter inside his skull cavity that clearly is even lighter than hydrogen…

    …we conclude that by combing these two intellectual ‘forces’ results in a scientific breakthrough in the field of human stupidity…

    Someone call the Guinness folks…

  405. Miro23 says:
    @peterAUS

    Disclaimer: I don’t get a lot about the “money thing”.

    In my opinion it’s unnecessarily complicated.

    Money is just a token that facilitates the real game. For instance, when you play Monopoly, the game is about holding liquidity (cash) vs. making good or bad investments. it’s not about “money”.

    However if one player (let’s call him “Special Interest”) were to be given 100x more cash than the other players how would that affect the game?

    “Special Interest” wouldn’t have to balance liquidity vs. investment. His liquidity would be effectively unlimited, so he just buys up everything, and wins by squeezing the other players out. Game over.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  406. polskijoe says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I dont understand people who claim to be both Leninist or Trotskyist and Orthodox.
    They two were basically opposites. I see this fusion bashing Catholics sometimes.

    I guess they follow some of Lenins ideas or some of Orthodox ideas.
    Strange.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  407. FB says:
    @peterAUS

    I don’t get a lot about the “money thing”…

    I’ve spent quite some time going through alternatives, and, of course, more one reads more he/she gets confused.

    Peter…have you ever considered that this state of confusion among the public in matters relating to ‘money’ is perhaps deliberate and by design…?

    I’m sure you have…Henry Ford’s famous quote…

    It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.

    We are exposed to more indoctrination about the ‘greatness’ of our ‘capitalist’ system than any other subject…’economists’ like Krugman and really all of mainstream economics the way it is taught is simply ‘Junk’ as Michael Hudson calls it…see his book…

    J IS FOR JUNK ECONOMICS: A GUIDE TO REALITY IN AN AGE OF DECEPTION

    But a better place to start is using our own heads and that wonderful tool we are born with…logic…

    In my above comment…I posed some logical questions…such as…’is our money system really working in the public interest…?’

    The obvious answer, if you are a regular person and not a billionaire, is quite clear…

    No…our banking system is not in the public interest and is in fact a source of great difficulties for any average person who needs to borrow money…as all such people do…

    Now one particularly dense blockhead here would have us believe that is not the case…since banks are in the business of making a profit…everything is hunky dory…provided they make ‘good’ loans and the money is pad back…

    Well…we note that drug dealers are likewise in the business of making profit yet society recognizes that this business is harmful…and is not allowed to operate…

    The same can be said of the loan sharking business…which by the blockhead definition should likewise be no problem…as the loan shark is also in business to make a profit…and as long as he makes ‘good’ loans that are paid back…there is no problem…

    In other words…it is quite logical and proven as fact that some types of business are altogether harmful and should not be allowed to operate at all…

    And would it not be further logical to apply this question of whether or not ‘banking’ [at least in its present form] should even be allowed to exist in the first place…?

    So we have some food for thought already…without applying any math…history…opinions of ‘experts’…etc…

    Just good old gray matter…

    Now let us consider an example of how banking affects the average person…the biggest example is buying a roof over your head…every ordinary working person…from laborer to highly paid professional…must take out a mortgage when buying a house for the first time…[and in fact more likely than not...every time...]

    That is great business for banks…who…like drug dealers and loan sharks…have a God-given right to ply their trade and use us to make their profit…some blockheads see nothing wrong with this…

    But consider this alternative…

    Let’s say you are serving your country in the military…after say 10 years of faithful service…your country decides to pay you your due and provide you with a new house of decent quality…

    In this case…you would have no need to go to a bank and give them your ‘business…’

    Or…you may be a civilian worker and after a similar period of service to a productive and fair-minded company…they do the same…they provide you with a house…

    Again…you have no need to engage in any ‘business’ with a bank…simply to put a roof over your head…

    The result…?

    Well…since no one needs to go to a bank in order to own a house…this entire ‘business’ is unnecessary…in the same way that the drug trade and loan sharking are unnecessary…

    We might further refine this system, whereby the military man serving his country…or the productive worker serving industry is able to move into his house much sooner…and is given an arrangement whereby he can make reasonable payments…say not more than one quarter of his take-home pay…

    …over a reasonable period of time…say not longer than 10 years…

    Sound reasonable…?

    Of course such a scheme is pie in the sky according to our thoroughly indoctrinated little ‘bots…whose idea of using their god-given sense is to absorb without question everything that is presented in glossy magazines and by talking heads on the idiot box…

    It would never work…

    But of course…being quite stupid…such little ‘bots have never bothered to look up if such policies were ever implemented…had they done so…they would have found this…

    ‘Generous loans, amortizable in ten years, were granted to newly married couples so they could buy their own homes.

    At the birth of each child, a fourth of the debt was cancelled.

    Four children, at the normal rate of a new arrival every two and a half years, sufficed to cancel the entire loan debt.

    This was of course the policy of none other than the National Socialist government of Germany in the 1930s…led by Adolf Hitler…

    Now Hitler may have been foolish in military matters…ie marching suicidally on Russia…but he was no dummy when it came to questions of how to run a country…and give a square deal to his people…

    ‘In the eyes of the capitalists, money was the sole active element in the flourishing of a country’s economy.

    To Hitler’s way of thinking, that conception was radically wrong: capital, on the contrary, was only an instrument.

    Work was the essential element: man’s endeavor, man’s honor, blood, muscles and soul.’

    ‘Hitler wanted not just to put an end to the class struggle, but to reestablish the priority of the human being, in justice and respect, as the principal factor in production.’

    ‘”The people,” Hitler declared, “were not put here on earth for the sake of the economy, and the economy doesn’t exist for the sake of capital.

    On the contrary, capital is meant to serve the economy, and the economy in turn to serve the people.“‘

    Let us compare this philosophy to the Great ThinkerAristotle…

    ‘Thus, then, we have considered the art of wealth-getting which is unnecessary, and why men want it;

    …and also the necessary art of wealth-getting, which we have seen to be different from the other, and to be a natural part of the art of managing a household, concerned with the provision of food…

    …not, however, like the former kind, unlimited, but having a limit.’

    So let us pause here for a moment…and compare Hitler’s idea of a newly married couple deserving a newly built quality house…and the loan associated with that house erased after 10 years…or the birth of four children…whichever comes first…

    And today’s system where you can sign your life away for a 50 year mortgage…

    What a deal…if you buy your own home at age 30…you can look forward to burning your mortgage at age 80…just in time to enjoy your golden years…

    What could be better…?

    After all…banks are in the business of making a profit…what’s wrong with that…?

    More to come…

    • Replies: @Rurik
  408. Rurik says:
    @helena

    Hello Helena,

    that the left is largely atheist and there is some support for Palestine.

    most support for Palestine comes from the right

    the left only care about driving a stake though the heart of Europa, and destroying Western civilization and its people

    that is the ultimate obsession of the left/Zionism

    only on the right is there a strong voice in defense of the Palestinian (and European) people

    Bernie Sanders tosses them under the bus, whereas David Duke (the ultimate right-winger) is their relentless champion

    “I know, let’s mix together the three Abrahamic faiths and see what happens!”. Who said that?

    ya got me

    who did say that

    (and why?!)

    • Replies: @helena
  409. Rurik says:
    @FB

    Sound reasonable…?

    good post, actually

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
  410. @polskijoe

    PolskiJoe to me: I dont understand people who claim to be both Leninist or Trotskyist and Orthodox. They two were basically opposites. I see this fusion bashing Catholics sometimes. I guess they follow some of Lenins ideas or some of Orthodox ideas.
    Strange.

    Hi PolskiJoe,

    I retired from this comment thread but have returned with an idea on the important matter you posted, above.

    Do you recall Lech Walesa’s Solidarity movement and his getting Pope John Paul II’ s political & moral support? I suggest that the Polish Pope did the right thing.

    I may be incorrect, but the Solidarity movement carefully avoided ties with atheistic Marxism which admonished the “proletariat” to cast off their capitalistic chains and unite. Consequently, it appears Pope John Paul II’s politics were a good fit with the pro-Corporate-business Reagan administration.

    However, while John Paul II took a noble stand for the Polish people, South and Central America was in the throes of primarily Catholic “Liberation Theology.” This worker/peasant theology was NOT in accord with Church heirarchy need$ in those sufering lands.

    I will try & avoid being long-winded, and go now to Nicaragua’s Sandanista government which appointed a Liberation Theology advocate,Catholic priest, to help serve President Daniel Ortega’s social goals.

    To avoid making you descend into boredom, John Paul II traveled to Nicaragua, and upon landing at airport, as customary, he kissed the ground.

    However, as Sandanista officials honorably lined-up to greet the Pope, only one was shunned by the Holy Father — the Catholic priest. He never got to kiss the ring.

    Well PolskiJoe, the political fusion-phenomenon of Marxism-Leninism with Eastern Orthodoxy / Catholicism and it’s OPPOSITE does happen.

    So naturally goes the pendulum-political disposition of a percentage of the two great Christian tradition’s huge “flock.”

    Presently, influential Roman Catholics, for example Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, & Jeb Bush, Governor Andy Cuomo, US Senator Bobby Casey, support US expensive and immoral wars for Israel. In contrast, Catholics-of-a-Different-Christ, for example, P. Giraldi, Ray McGovern, Kathy Kelly, and Father William Pickard balk at support for the wars.

    (Zigh)

    The “Thing” that most troubles now is the fact that the majority of US Catholic and Orthodox clergy muffle the work of “blessed” peacemakers, and the heirarchy keep silent while glorified Wall Street, M.I.C., ZUSA economics, & Hollywood deviants steer average worshippers deep into debt, depravity, and despair.

    Selah a paraphrase of a song by The Doors, “Sheep (without Good Shepherd) tend to get strange when they’re alone.”

    • Replies: @FB
  411. NeoCons = Trotskyist Communists

    “Cameron and Osborne come out with things I used to say when I was a Trotskyist.”

    – Peter Hitchens

    “Democrats (Labourites and Liberals) are Stalinists and Republicans (Tories and NeoCons) are Trotskyists”

    – Eustace Mullins

  412. FB says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I retired from this comment thread…

    Aww…you mean we missed the teary-eyed press conference…aww…

    …but have returned with an idea…

    Hooray…sound the trumpets…

  413. @FB

    Whatever the Jews have or have not done does not even come close…

    That is false.

    Please read “The Controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed ( http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdf ) to get a basic understanding of what the international collective, obsessed, by cultural indoctrination of their infants and children, with world domination, working by secretive means, using a ‘fifth column’ in every country, have done, are doing, and have proposed to do moving forward.

    I am a product of the Irish genocide, but it was just a small program compared to Levites/Pharisees/talmudaic/Khazar/zionist ongoing program of hatred of humankind.

    You might want to take a closer look at the mechanics of how the Irish genocide came about.

    If you haven’t learned the basics about the zionist program, you are likely knowingly or unknowingly indoctrinated by hugely successful propaganda campaigns which have been waged, like the rest of the ongoing war, on all, goy and observant jew, the same.

    You can look up “Hasbara” to find out the working PR program running since the mid-seventies.

    While it is true that the jews have been persecuted for centuries, the persecutors have been… the jewish ideological elite.

  414. helena says:
    @Rurik

    hmm But Corbyn’s crew have definitively upset the Jewish community in UK with their overtures to pro-Palestinians. Mark Regev has been appointed UKsomething (not sure its Ambassador) and last year he made an appearance at the Jewish Labour ‘conference’ that takes place alongside the Labour Conference to boost their morale.

    I don’t know either, maybe a mischievous Taoist! It’s fun though isn’t it? It’s like we never have to think about anything ever again except just how to survive the daily castigations from our Jewish and Muslim fellow citizens.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  415. helena says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “In 1460 the Judengasse (“Jews’ Alley”) in Frankfurt was established.” https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jewish-emancipation-in-western-europe/

    Oh the irony.

  416. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “I thought Shelly was frustrated with Trump for dragging his feet [in changing policy].”

    Fifth time, your source:

    “Sheldon Adelson…has expressed impatience with the Trump administration’s failure to move the embassy…”

    Failure means failure. Move means move: ‘to change place or premises.’

    “Chances are he [Adelson] is quite happy with the announcement and is eager to see other countries follow suit. Not sure he is too concerned with the timetable for the move…”

    “Impatience…fury…nettled” isn’t “quite happy”. “Shut[ing] off…cash” isn’t satisfaction. What planet are you on?

    “The Lobby once again prevails. Shelly succeeded. QED he’s happy.”

    Nice try, no cigar. Your article contradicts you.

    Numbers don’t lie.
    “Couldn’t agree more: 7 vs 0.”

    535 vs 7. $263 billion Pharma spending vs $3.8 billion Israel (69:1).

    Why does the US pay triple any other country’s price for drugs?

    “To truly drain the swamp, Americans need to demand their elected representatives…repeal the non-restriction Immigration and Nationality Act (Hart-Celler Act) of 1965”

    Your favorite demand. Rather abrupt. Why skip foreplay?

    “The Lobby’s efforts to radically change the demographic profile of the country to ensure the security of one particular ethnic group at the Goyim’s expense…”

    “…the people of the US need to understand the extremely important role The Lobby played in getting H-C passed…”

    “The Lobby’s policies has already put in motion the ethnic cleansing of European and European-derived peoples.”

    “Restoring immigration policy…might help avert an ethnic conflict…”

    “…the people of the US…should hold it [the Lobby] responsible for the ethnic strife that awaits them.”

    “I’d like to see all these countries renounce their embrace of diversity before it is too late.”

    “My goal is to help the people from European and European-derived countries shake off the cultural Marxist spell that claims that Diversity Is Our Strength, before it is too late.”

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-money-machine/#comment-2099981

    You want a European ethno-state. The conspiracy dialectic – the Lobby, Israel, diaspora Jews, Iraq ’03 – is superfluous. You should praise ‘exclusive’ Israel. That would be logical. Instead, the treasonous Lobby dwarfs all other influence. Despite stark evidence otherwise. Innuendo and immanence mark your Chicken Little routine.

    Why? Need a scapegoat? A weaponized lever to power? Your pal Richard Spencer is forthright:

    “Leftists (who sometimes understand us better than we understand ourselves) have always sensed this; they know that when we talk about immigration, we’re not really talking about immigration.”

    “For us “immigration” is a proxy for race…we should open our minds to the positive possibilities of mass immigration from the White world.”

    “Today, in the public imagination, “ethnic-cleansing” has been associated with civil war and mass murder…But this need not be the case. 1919 is a real example of successful ethnic redistribution…”

    “The ideal I advocate is the creation of a White Ethno-State on the North American continent.”

    “We must give up the false dreams of equality and democracy…so that we can take up the new dreams…fostering of a new people, who are healthier, stronger, more intelligent, more beautiful, more athletic.”

    “Ours, too, should be a declaration of difference and distance—“We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created unequal.” In the wake of the old world, this will be our proposition.”

    Whether something is constitutionally legal I could give a shit to be honest. Survival is more important than law. You can always find a lawyer that will agree with your interpretation…It’s not that big of a deal…Power is what matters.”

    “Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail victory!”

    Geo, you’re an arsonist who wants to be fire chief. Set small fires to prompt your ethno-state and (sooner or later) racial cleansing. Your philosopher’s toga comes with a white hood.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Rurik
    , @iffen
    , @geokat62
  417. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Geo, you’re an arsonist who wants to be fire chief. Set small fires to prompt your ethno-state and (sooner or later) racial cleansing. Your philosopher’s toga comes with a white hood.

    Finally, the gloves have come off. Nice try, Incy. Calling for a repeal of Hart-Celler is the equivalent of “racial cleansing”? Wow, forget about pulling, I hope you didn’t tear a muscle after that stretch.

    Look, are you prepared to acknowledge a few facts?

    1. The Lobby, in an effort to enhance the security of diaspora Jewry by ensuring host countries became less homogeneous, pushed for 100 years to get a non-restrictionist immigration bill passed through Congress?

    2. The Lobby, in an effort to enhance the security of the villa in the jungle, plumped for the phony GWOT as a front to remake the MENA by regime changing those countries deemed hostile to said villa?

    I think the evidence for these two assertions is overwhelming, no?

    So, because I, as a dumb goy, have come to understand who is responsible for these two policies and the motivations underpinning them, you think it fit to tar me with the KKK brush?

    Look, my position is a simple one: I believe in the importance of Western civilization. I regard it as a flickering flame that is about to be snuffed out. And I’m not the only one that thinks this. Have you heard of that flaming racist Lawrence Auster? Well, he is regarded as the unsung godfather of the restrictionist movement. If you haven’t already done so, I highly recommend reading his provocative essay, The Path to National Suicide. Here is one of his most penetrating observations:

    The United States is in a situation without precedent in the history of the world. A free and great people have embarked on a course which must result in their own total and permanent transformation, without ever having had a serious public debate on whether or not they want to be so transformed. The purpose of this essay is to help open up such a debate. There is a need for the information, ideas and arguments that will make it intellectually and morally respectable to question our current policy and the orthodoxy that upholds it. We need to break free from the paralyzing notion that because “we are all descended from immigrants,” we therefore have no right to make such a fateful choice about our nation’s future. Let us prove our faith in democracy: If the American people truly want to change their historic European­-rooted civilization into a Latin­ Caribbean­-Asian “multi-­culture,” then let them debate and approve that proposition through an informed political process, as befits a free people. And if Americans do not want their society to change in such a revolutionary manner, then let them revise their immigration laws accordingly. But let the debate occur.

    It seems some a very reluctant to have this debate and prefer accusing those who do of being KKKers…. I wonder why?

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Incitatus
  418. Rurik says:
    @Incitatus

    a couple of tidbits for you zhids to jerk off to

    https://forward.com/news/359482/kushner-foundation-gives-342k-to-chabad-still-surprised-about-jared-and-iva/

    https://www.henrymakow.com/jews_must_confront_dark_side_o.html

    Henry Makow was also born and raised zhid (Jewish supremacist), but like Brother Nathanael, he chose to repudiate the stone age idiocy of tribal/ethnic supremacism and join the human race

    is it too late for you zhids ?

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  419. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    Those little peep holes for the eyes do not allow for anything other than a very narrow and limited vision of reality.

  420. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    It seems some a very reluctant to have this debate

    You are not a debater.

    You are a pellet dropping, copy and paste propagandist.

  421. geokat62 says:

    You are not a debater.

    Rich, coming from a PEAbrain who fosters debate by accusing those he disagrees with of being 88s.

    • Replies: @iffen
  422. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Hey master debater, add this to your Adorno file:

    Razib Khan Retweeted
    Rolf Degen

    @DegenRolf

    The Authoritarian Personality occurs equally frequently on the political left as on the right.

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pops.12470/full

  423. Rurik says:
    @helena

    hmm But Corbyn’s crew have definitively upset the Jewish community in UK

    it’s pure artifice

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/13/jeremy-corbyn-does-not-support-boycott-of-israel-bds-movement

    when the nitty hits the gritty, they’re on their knees like Stephen Fry at a Cub Scout convention

    , maybe a mischievous Taoist! It’s fun though isn’t it?

    yes Helena, it is ;)

    It’s like we never have to think about anything ever again except just how to survive the daily castigations from our Jewish and Muslim fellow citizens.

    don’t forget the liberals!

    they’re more zealous in their frothing hysterical hatred than anyone (except perhaps the cowards at TAC. For kicks I just looked at their site. They’re promoting more Hollywood propaganda, [Germans are evil, let's kill them all] for Christmas)

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-die-hard-is-the-perfect-christmas-movie-for-2017/

    here’s to keeping them foaming !

    • Replies: @helena
  424. geokat62 says:

    The Authoritarian Personality occurs equally frequently on the political left as on the right.

    To demonstrate the farce that these tests developed by Adorno et al to identify those who were prone to antisemitism by scoring high on the AS- and F-scales, I would have liked for these members of the Frankfurt School and the American Jewish Committee who sponsored their work to have surreptitiously taken the test to see how they would have scored on a new scale, the AG-scale, AG for anti-goy.

    It’s never too late, though. Perhaps, in the pursuit of science and objectivity, we could convince a few of the employees at AIPAC, ADL, SPLC, AJC, COP, JINSA, TIP, to name just a few, to volunteer to take these tests. Heck we could even ask Sam to see if he is willing write it.

    Anyone willing to hazard a guess as to how their scores might compare to those of The Dumb Goyim?

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  425. helena says:
    @Rurik

    …at a Cub Scout convention / lols. D is for dyb dyb dyb!

    Judging by the discourse around Grenfell, there is now sufficient BME representation in the Judiciary to dispense with liberals. One day maybe every neighbourhood will have a Diverse Panel to help the minority Europeans act Diversely. Because that is the inevitable consequence of understanding and accepting.

    The idea of the Grenfell diversity panel, I see as an extension of cultures that run their legal system on obscure rules and ‘appeals’. Like the situation with Naz.. in Iran. It’s a different system of justice that exists in cultures without commonweal. Everything depends on prostrating and pleading. And that combined with legally enshrined Rights is very powerful. But crucially, it changes the whole way a society creates institutions. The way of life.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  426. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Geo, you’re an arsonist who wants to be fire chief. Set small fires to prompt your ethno-state and (sooner or later) racial cleansing. Your philosopher’s toga comes with a white hood.

    I love your arsonist analogy, Incy. But let me tweak it a bit so that it is more reflective of reality. Rather than me being the arsonist, the true arsonist is The Lobby. They, through the policies they have been pursuing, have been setting things aflame. I, a dumb goy, am just trying to convince them to stop playing with fire as they may get their fingers burned. At the same time, I am trying to warn other dumb goyim about the dangers of these fires and to help try to put these fires out.

    But, for some reason, you seem content to let these fires rage… I wonder why?

  427. Rurik says:
    @helena

    But crucially, it changes the whole way a society creates institutions. The way of life.

    first they came for the Rhodesians…

  428. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “Look, are you prepared to acknowledge a few facts?”

    Geo, with all due respect you’re not interested in facts. You’re interested in a Euro-Ethno-State.

    We’ve reviewed your assertions numerous times. You simply repeat talking points heedless of reality. Persistently misinterpret linked ‘proof.’ Stubbornly refuse contrary statistics. Drag in fringe ‘experts’ like Kevin MacDonald or Lawrence Auster (who’s only merit seems a BA and incredible baggage as an apostate Jew).

    Your routine:
    1. Incorporate fiction in revisionist history;
    2. Invent imminent threats and impending ruin due to (1);
    3. Name a scapegoat as all-powerful author of (2);
    4. Stress victimhood at the hands of (3);
    5. Demand specific action to remedy (1), prevent (2) and subdue (3);
    6. Throw in an empathetic ‘dumb goy’ (‘aw-shucks’) to deflect criticism;
    7. Return to (1) and repeat.

    A dialectic identical to shampoo instructions. Wash, rinse, repeat. In this case brain-washing.

    “repeal of Hart-Celler is the equivalent of “racial cleansing”?

    You refuse to say why H-C quotas can’t be adjusted. Or what comes after repeal. What happens to Americans of non-European descent? To Native Americans? No answer. Produce phony outrage to dodge answers. You want a blank check. You want power.

    Make no mistake. I favor some of your menu, as can be seen in archive. But that’s all fluff. You’re simply playing to your base, nothing more. People who believe “the US needs a patriot like Hitler to restore us to our former sovereignty and prosperity.” Or, like your pal Spencer “Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail victory!”

    On to Euro-Ethno-Statehood! Minds turned off, no more diversity! Light the tiki-torches!

    Believe what you like, of course. Doesn’t bother me. But hold the parade without me.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  429. Incitatus says:
    @Rurik

    Rooten-Tooten, what a pleasure!

    “a couple of tidbits for you zhids to jerk off to”

    Tisk, tisk! Such language! Spending time with JR again?

    “Henry Makow was also born and raised zhid (Jewish supremacist)…”

    Have 1-800-CALL-A-QUACK on speed dial? Apostate Jew extension? How delicious (wink, wink). This one a Canadian board-game inventor and advice-columnist? No shortage of talent there!

    Still, it’s nice to be noticed by the grandson of a ‘VIP Templar.’ Puzzling, since the Ordre was tried at Cathédrale St-Maurice de Vienne Oct 1311 – Apr 1312 (Philippe le Bel and Clément V needed cash). The last members – accused of heresy and more sordid behavior – were burned to death in 1314. Seven hundred years ago.

    You’re saying ‘Templar-Lite’ chapters have sprung up? Who knew? ‘VIP’ is certainly an impressive distinction. Kind of like Bunny-Master in a Playboy Club or Rutting-Stag in the Elks? Gramps wear chain mail at home, or just on special occasions (e.g. infidels in the neighborhood)?

    Confess surprise you mentioned membership. Freemasonry and the like were verboten in the good old Vaterland. Got you a one-way ticket to a KZ vacation. Even your pal Makow concurs! Guess you don’t heed your own ‘expert’?

    Word (whisper) to the wise. Pretend you’ve no grandfather and pray the Bund didn’t notice.

    Thanks for the links. Here’s one for you:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_schizophrenia

    Enjoy!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  430. Rurik says:
    @Incitatus

    Pretend you’ve no grandfather

    guess what? [he was a banker too!]

    shhhh

    looking at your post, I have to remark..

    do you know what’s even worse than being inane and vapid?

    predictable

  431. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The extent to which Christian Americans have allowed Jews to rule US foreign policy is a disgrace.
    You have to wonder what is wrong with us that we would allow this to happen.
    Cowardice perhaps?

  432. Rurik says:

    Cowardice perhaps?

    yes

    moral cowardice and venality

    it permeates our societies (Europe and Canada too)

    there isn’t a Thomas Paine to be found, except perhaps a few heroic voices like Mr. Giraldi’s here

    and for the quintessential example of banal cowardice and depraved avarice, just look to the editors of The American Conservative website

    they’re like Peter whom Jesus Christ said would deny Him

    as soon as the Pharisees glower at a coward, they snivel off with soiled britches and head down

  433. geokat62 says:
    @Incitatus

    Make no mistake. I favor some of your menu…

    Perhaps that’s the best way to go about this. Why not remind us which of the following measures you take issue with and why?

    1. repeal the non-restriction Immigration and Nationality Act (Hart-Celler Act) of 1965
    2. repeal the Magnitsky Act
    3. reinstate the draft
    4. public money for public elections
    5. all foreign agents must register under FARA
    6. no dual citizens in positions of high office
    7. all those countries who have, or are suspected of having, nuclear weapons must become a signatory of the NPT
    8. end the occupation, now
    9. no more regime-change wars for Israel
    10. no more tribute paid to Israel
    11. no more UN vetoes for Israel
    12. the perpetrators of the illegal invasion of Iraq, Libya, and the destruction of Syria must be brought to justice
    13. the perpetrators of torture must be brought to justice

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  434. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “Why not remind us which of the following measures you take issue with and why”

    What’s the point? Your real goal is a Euro-Ethno-State (wink-wink) after H-C repeal. You’ll decide what that means, who gets in, who stays. Meantime, you want a blank check “before it is too late.”

    Items 2-13 elicit outrage – little fires – for H-C repeal, no questions asked. “Wars for Israel”, “UN vetoes for Israel”, “tribute paid to Israel”, “dual citizens”, “foreign agents”, “occupation” identify the ritual scapegoat.

    Wash, rinse, repeat.

    Happy to answer 1-13 nonetheless. After you answer (4th request):

    • Why does the US pay triple any other country’s price for drugs?
    • Why does the US pay two-three times most country’s Health Care cost?
    And
    • What comes after H-C repeal?
    • What happens to Americans of non-European descent?

    Hope your Canadian Euro-Ethno-State is progressing. Starting to reduce the 21.9% foreign born ratio? Careful: you might deport yourself if imprudent.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  435. geokat62 says:

    Happy to answer 1-13 nonetheless. After you answer (4th request):

    • Why does the US pay triple any other country’s price for drugs?
    [I'm not averse to adding it to the list]

    • Why does the US pay two-three times most country’s Health Care cost?
    [I'm not averse to adding it to the list]

    • What comes after H-C repeal?
    [the immigration policy reverts to what it was before the enactment of H-C]

    • What happens to Americans of non-European descent?
    [nothing]

    P.S. speaking of H-C, did you here the good news? A US Rep. has come out and openly rejected the ADL’s tagline that Diversity Is Our Strength. It seems that some pols are keenly aware that the flame of Western civilization is at risk of being snuffed out and would like to prevent that from happening. Must be some kind of race-ist or something.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/363973-steve-king-diversity-isnt-americas-strength

  436. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Incitatus

    Your real goal is a Euro-Ethno-State (wink-wink)

    Sounds good. Europe is the homeland of the white race and we’re simply not going to give it away. Blowback is coming and it’s not going to be pretty.

  437. @Astuteobservor II

    Thank you for making me aware of what I’m saying. Obviously, I had no idea that what I said was what you mean. Even my reply to you is actually what you say instead of what I say. I am so embarrassed /sarc.

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