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Back during the admittedly brief shock and awe period that immediately followed on the Trump electoral victory, it appeared that there might be an actual realignment of American foreign policy. The neoconservatives virtually unanimously had opposed Donald Trump in the most vile terms, both in the GOP primaries and during the actual electoral campaign, making clear that Hillary was their choice for a future full of unrelenting, ideologically driven warfare to convert the world to democracy. By that metric, one would assume that Trump would prefer to be roasted on a spit rather than have neocons on his national security team, and many in the punditry did agree with that analysis and went on to share that view.

At the time, I agreed, but I did note that the neoconservatives have proven to be remarkable resilient, particularly as many of them have remained true to their Democratic Party values on nearly everything but foreign policy, where they are irredeemable hawks, hostile to Russia and Iran and always reliably in the corner of Israel. In short, many neocons can be unmasked as Hillary Clinton Democrats if one looks at them issue by issue, which certainly helps to explain some subsequent developments.

Some Washington observers who actually care about such things have been writing how there has been a kumbaya process going on between self-described conservative neocons and liberal interventionists. Katrina vanden Heuvel describes the progressive hawks as “the essential-country crowd,” borrowing a phrase from ex-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.

There are inevitably minor disconnects between the two groups based on their motives for aggression – Democrats claim to do it to bring democracy and freedom while Republicans say they do it to enhance national security. Both are lying in any event as it all comes down to great power rivalries, with big powerful nations pushing smaller weaker nations around because they are able to get away with it and feel more comfortable if everyone lines up behind them.

So everyone in Washington and New York’s financial services industry agrees that a more assertive America is a better America even when the reality is that no one winds up with either democracy or security. Which brings us to the latest shuffle in the Donald Trump cabinet and what it is likely to mean down the road. Multiple sources are predicting Tillerson out and Mike Pompeo in at State Department with Pompeo replaced at CIA by Senator Tom Cotton. The White House is denying the story, calling it “fake news,” but it is clear that Trump is uncomfortable with the current arrangement and Tillerson will be gone sooner or later.

Mike Pompeo as Secretary of State replaces a somewhat bumbling businessman adept at dealing in energy futures contracts who has been struggling with reducing State’s enormously bloated payroll. Pompeo, a real hard-nosed political hardliner who tends to see complex issues in fairly simplistic ways, has become a presidential confidant, briefing Trump frequently on the state of the world, most recently pushing for the horrific decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. In a recent speech , Pompeo criticized the CIA, observing that it had both forgotten how to spy, which is almost certainly true, while adding that it will have to become “more vicious” to accomplish its mission of making the United States “safe.” Pompeo would like to turn the United States into an unleashed wrecking ball directed against the enemies of the American Way and he appears intent on starting that process in the Middle East.

And Pompeo will be replaced as CIA Director by Tom Cotton. The less said about Tom the better, but I will attempt to summarize in 8 words here: Tom is completely owned by the Israel Lobby. In his 2014 election as junior Senator from Arkansas, he received $1 million from the Emergency Committee for Israel headed by Bill Kristol as well as additional assistance from the Republican Jewish Coalition. In March 2015, Tom paid those supporters back when 47 Republican United States Senators signed a letter allegedly written by him that was then sent to the Iranian government directly, warning that any agreement over that country’s nuclear program reached with President Barack Obama would likely be overturned by the Congress. The letter, which undercuts the authority of the American president before an international audience, was signed by the entire Republican Party leadership in the Senate and also included then presidential contenders Rand Paul, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.

I do not wish to imply that Cotton and Pompeo are somehow stupid, but they do tend to see the world in a very monochromatic fashion, just like their boss. Pompeo was first in his class at West Point and Cotton graduated from Harvard as an undergrad and also from the Law School. Trump claims to be the smartest person in the room no matter where he is standing. But for all the academic credentials and other posturing, it is hard to imagine how the new choices could possibly be worse from a common-sense perspective unless one includes Nikki Haley, who is, fortunately, otherwise engaged. Haley really is stupid. And ambitious. And is also owned by the Israel Lobby, which appears to be a thread that runs its way through all the Trump foreign policy appointees.

What is wrong about the whole Trump team is that they all seem to believe that you can go around the world kicking the shit out of everyone without there being any consequences. And they all hate Iran for reasons that continue to be obscure but may be connected to their relationships with – you guessed it – the neoconservatives and the Israeli Lobby!

Yes, the neocons are back. I noted back in October that when Pompeo and National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster wanted a friendly place to drop by to give a policy speech that would be warmly received they went to the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD), whose marketing masthead slogan is “Fighting Terrorism and Promoting Freedom.” FDD is currently neocon central, used like the American Enterprise Institute was when Dick Cheney was Vice President and needed a friendly audience. It is headed by Canadian Mark Dubowitz, whose passion in life is making sure that sanctions on Iran are enforced to the letter. Unfortunately, it is not easy to deport a Canadian.

Neocon watchers will undoubtedly note that big names like Brill Kristol, the Kagans, Michael Chertoff and Max Boot will not be showing up in government. True, but that is because they will instead be working through their foundations, of which FDD is only one. The Alliance for Securing Democracy, which has recently sprung up in lobby-land, markets itself as “bipartisan, and transatlantic…” but it actually is pure neocon. Its goal is to “expose Putin’s ongoing efforts to subvert democracy in the United States of America and Europe.” It includes the usual neocon names but also has the loyal Democratic opposition, including ex-CIA Acting Director Mike Morell and Jake Sullivan, both of whom were top level advisers to Hillary Clinton.

The replacement of former political appointees in the government has been so slow in Trump’s first year that it has actually benefited the neocons in their recovery. Many survivors of the two previous administrations are still in place, nearly all of whom reflect the hawkishness prevalent during 2001-2016. They will be supplemented by second and third tier neoconservatives, who will fill in the policy gaps, virtually guaranteeing that the neocon crafted foreign policy that has been around for the past sixteen years will be here for some time longer.

What all this means is that, now that the Palestinians have been disposed of and the Israelis rewarded, we can expect armed conflict with Iran within the next year, followed by increased hostility towards Moscow as Russiagate continues to play out. I do not even want to guess at what kind of insanity the gang in the West Wing Situation Room will come up with for dealing with North Korea. The good news is that the builders of home bomb shelters, a booming enterprise when I was growing up back in the 1950s and 1960s now used to cultivate mushrooms, will be back in business.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is inform@cnionline.org.

 
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  1. I can’t wait to see if they would be stupid enough to attack Iran :) Nk is completely out of the question unless the orange hair can somehow convince the chinese to stand down from a military ally.

    it would blow up spectacularly in their faces.

    there are no more safe countries to invade so to speak. iran is back up by both china and russia. NK is untouchable because of china.

    I am 100% sure yemen will become hell on earth in 2018. that is now 5 countries usa has destroyed in 17 years. we are evil fucks.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    we are evil fucks
     
    The Jews are evil fucks and that statement represents one of their greatest achievements. The US goyim will be blamed for everything - and they'll pay for it all with their blood and coin.

    That's why the Jews are willing to risk it.
    , @pyrrhus
    Absolutely right. If Trump attacks Iran, he will not be re-elected and will doubtless suffer a demoralizing defeat. We will be lucky if there is a next election, since WW3 would probably preclude such niceties.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Well, you and I are not evil f---- in that important respect. But we'll certainly be the ones suffering from the blowback, whether in the form of terrorist revenge here by imported Muslims or actual missiles from Iran, Russia, or China. God help us.

    Do the neocons think that their money or influence will protect them and their families from nuclear fallout? Or from the mass disorder and violence that could follow after some country gets tired of our aggression and hits us with an electromagnetic pulse?
    , @Twodees Partain
    " we are evil fucks."

    Unless you're among the evil fucks who are carrying out this agenda, you might want to disassociate yourself from that particular "we". I don't view these evil people in government as members of this country. To me, the country is the land and the people. The government is not the country, though they want to represent themselves as such.

    Some people like to blame the people of the US as being culpable because "we voted them in". I don't think that's true of most of the people of the US. Elections are sham shows, conducted with predetermined outcomes, so the votes don't actually matter. Nobody who participates in the voting has any input whatsoever into what is done by the so-called winners of these elections.

    The "we" that I see myself as a part of had nothing to do with the wars and other atrocious acts of government. I have no input into these decisions for war and have no influence at all on what is being done by the government and I don't even accept that these atrocities have been committed in my name or for my benefit.
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  2. I’m really concerned an attack on Iran is a correct assessment Philip. They are not a threat to the US and while I think we will be in a support capacity -with Israel obviously– to a bunker buster attack it will be regarded as US backed war throughout the Islamic world. Trump may be too weak to resist Netanyahu’s best sales pitch.

    Tillerson will be gone sooner or later.
    No question, perhaps the week between Christmas and New Year?

    Cotton and Pompeo
    Pompeo may have problems with the Mueller probe. Cotton has a number of rumors in his past and maybe they are just unfortunate talk? But I don’t see him at CIA (we shall see?)

    The Neocons are turning up at MSNBC of late. In addition to Podhoretz, Brooks, Kristol, we are now seeing E.Johnson, B.Stephens, D.Pletka on the scene as regular rotation players. No doubt where they will be leading. Moving in where opportunities abound for some reason? At least two (Halperin, Ford) aren’t around anymore on Coffee Joe.

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    • Replies: @Realist
    "Trump may be too weak to resist Netanyahu’s best sales pitch."

    Trump is an Israeli sycophant.....a loser.
    , @Z-man

    Cotton has a number of rumors in his past and maybe they are just unfortunate talk?
     
    Interesting, I've always intuitively thought this guy is a weirdo besides being a Neocon lap dog so hopefully it's true.
    , @edNels
    There's this one and that one, who were presented to be authentic fresh… not neo's and so on. But then they were co-opted pretty good, and over ridden, sidelined etc. Including Trump, who's main feature is Tap DAnce and mime… maybe he could sing too, ''Sore like an Eagle,'' and make Ashcrofter roll his eyes!

    So, my question is What's the difference who is casted in the part, when a chorus line of Rasputin lookalike shapeshifting Pupettmasters is stealing the show from off center stage left…? And why would it behove anybody to change the billing 0f all these venerable stooges that allow that so good?

    Tillerson is a presentable face, (who else come to mind now…?) Pence, mostly a good insurance policy for T. Sessions, plays a damned good mascot. I'll have to study it more, can't think of anybody, oh… Haley, (worse than Semantha, not much.)

    Neocons all lined up like evil drones, like worker ants, all suited up tirelessly pestering the nest. And don't let any crumbs drop where they can find it. That's it, these are subhumans, Untermensch, maybe the best they can be called is constructive destroyers.

    But seriously, why do they all have that same look, (stick figure, nondescript [Eddie Munster, or Turtle man, excepted] I couldn't pick Cotton from Scott Walker and a hundred other p-woods out of a lineup. hyahya
    , @Anonymous

    Moving in where opportunities abound for some reason? At least two (Halperin, Ford) aren’t around anymore on Coffee Joe.
     
    Morning Jew
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  3. Trumpenthal will do nothing substantial about the Norks, because NK poses no threat to Israhell.

    and having largely refused to do Zion’s dirty work in Syria, where Hezbollah, Russia, and Damascus have now routed Isramerica’s pet Sunni terrorists, he thinks to appease the (((Beast))) by throwing it the Jerusalem bone…

    …but that will not suffice. The (((Beast))), ex-Trotskyite communist Jew neo-conz and their uniparty shabbatz goyim, will push ever harder for an Isramerican/Saudi attack on Iran.

    and I hope (((they))) get what they want.

    I really do.

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    Yes ZOG and The Beast, very Biblical. A pox on 'The Beast'!
    , @mr meener
    NK does pose a fake threat to pissrael. remember George "magog" bush including NK in the axis of evil? Israel bombed Syria reactor 10 years ago killing 10 NK scientists.NK on the hit list. EVERYTHING we do in foreign policy is for the benefit of talmudia
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  4. Issac says:

    It will be increasingly difficult to rally even nationalist Americans to the cause of combating neocon foreign policy as their readily apparent domestic peril continues to inch closer.

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    On the "domestic peril:" http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/12/your-trump-dossier-cheat-sheet-by-publius-tacitus.html
    "The latest revelations about the partisan activities of FBI and DOJ officials now make it clear that folks charged with upholding our system of laws were collaborating with the Intelligence Community, under the direction of Jim Clapper, in misleading members of Congress about alleged collusion between Donald Trump's campaign and the Russians without disclosing that the information originated from opposition research commissioned by the Clinton Campaign.
    We already knew, thanks to Washington Post reporting in October that the dossier was commissioned by Clinton attorneys and compiled and prepared by a retired foreign intelligence officer, Christopher Steele: Marc Elias, a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the DNC, retained Fusion GPS, a Washington, D.C., firm, to conduct the research. Fusion GPS hired dossier author Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer with ties to the FBI and the U.S. intelligence community.
    Elias and his law firm, Seattle-based Perkins Coie, retained the firm in April 2016 on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Before that agreement, Fusion GPS’ research into Trump was funded by a still unknown Republican client during the GOP primary.
    The Clinton campaign and the DNC, through the law firm, continued to fund Fusion GPS’ research through the end of October 2016, days before Election Day. ... the wife of a senior DOJ official, with ties to the CIA, was working with Fusion GPS on Russian matters related to Trump during this same time frame"
    --- Looks and sounds like treasonous activities violatng the US Constitution and directed against the legally elected POTUS.
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  5. peterAUS says:

    we can expect armed conflict with Iran within the next year,

    Well, if conflict is simply air assault on Iranian nuclear facilities that shouldn’t be a problem for either party.
    Israelis/Americans bomb a bit and then everything goes back to normal. Something as that cruise missile launch on Syria.

    In a case of a serious effort though, say, attempt to “regime change” in Iran, well, it hinges on a projected (in)ability to keep Hormuz open I guess.
    If that is possible the next problem would be a resilience/strength of the regime itself (how fragile it really is; or not).

    As mentioned several times on this site before, it all depends on a pretext for the intervention.
    American public isn’t as gullible as before; at the same time we can see the power of the system through Russiagate etc.

    Interesting times.

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    Well, if conflict is simply air assault on Iranian nuclear facilities that shouldn’t be a problem for either party.
    Israelis/Americans bomb a bit and then everything goes back to normal. Something as that cruise missile launch on Syria.
     
    That US missile attack on the Syrian airport cost Trump a lot of domestic and international support for zero benefit. Most Jews (and never-Trumpers) were happy but most Jews are sub-consciously suicidal.
    , @iffen
    American public isn’t as gullible as before;

    Sources please. :)
    , @nsa
    "the American public isn't as gullible as before...."
    Ha, Ha. You obviously do not live here. 99% of Americans have a flat screen JooBox installed in their living rooms and believe everything (jooie managed images and info) spewing forth from it. More than 50% of Americans have multiple flat screen JooBoxes in their homes so they can be sure not to miss the latest disinfo or lies. The power of the JooBox in the USA is near total.....examine the way it can spread glib moronic cliches throughout the population almost overnight: "my bad", "winning", "whatever", "thinking outside the box", "new paradigm", "thrown under the bus", "kicked to the curb", "24, 7".....etc. List is near endless. The best overused trash cliche occurs when two morons happen to share a thought....one of the morons proclaims a loud "BINGO!" showing profound agreement. Note that Orwell was 100% wrong. The modern Winston Smiths and Julias yearn to keep their blinking flat screen JooBoxes on so as to absorb the maximum amount of jooie lies and disinfo.......not turn the beast off or damage it.
    , @Che Guava
    You are a lunatic.
    , @Bayan
    In foreign policy, the American public is irrelevant gullible or not. Same for the British and many others. I think during the Iraq war majority of the British opposed the war, they were ignored.

    In terms of cost/benefit America/Israel should not attack Iran. But, America/Israel are too powerful, it is not clear they think in terms of cost/benefit. They may go to war for no reason at all.

    In any case Iran is stupid to get itself involved in the civil war of many of its neighbors.
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    You are not too informed, are you?
    Russians sold now quite a lot S3 antiaircraft batteries to Iran.
    And also Iranians have a lot of their own antiaircraft rockets.
    Not even quarter of planes would return from bombing raid.
    And also Iran has the capacity to shoot down cruise missiles.
    Any of this kind of action would provoke devastation action from Iran.
    All Saudi oil loading facilities are on the other side of see.
    Iran would easily put these on fire.
    The consequences are unimaginable.
    To stop Iran, US has no other option than all out invasion, or nuke them.
    And that is like you say "bridge too far"
    , @Joe Wong
    American has an all volunteer armed forces (mercenary), they are paid to kill or be killed, their fates is only a few seconds on the screens if the MSM decided to air them, otherwise the wars and the American soldiers' lives have nothing to do with the American public. Mayhem in far away land in out of sight and out of mind. Citing the American public gullibility is really a residual sentiment of old days cold war mentality and trying to attach some kind of morality to the wars the American has been fighting. American has long been demonstrated they are just as morally defunct imperialist as the British and their mentor, the Romans.

    The real issue is how to finance the war, as long as the war does not cause hyper inflation in the USA, the warmongers in the Washington beltway will go ahead with the war without much concern, with EU, Australia, Japan and S Korea in line paying the bills, the American should be able to wage another regime change war in the ME without much difficulty.
    , @chris
    I agree with your point, Peter.

    I've argued the same thing myself, Trump, as per his MO will do a half-assed bombing of the already cemented nuclear reactors and call it a victory, satisfying no one but himself.

    Anything more than that runs the risk of turning really bloody, and after more than a decade of constant warfare without a single tangible victory, neither he nor anyone else, I think, can pull the necessary popular support to see the thing (criminal war) through. To say nothing of the risk of loosing an aircraft carrier or to trigger the meltdown of the world economy, in which case, the rug would be pulled from not just his feet but through him, from those of the empire itself.

    I also agree that underneath all that propaganda, there's been an ever growing up-swell of resistance to the warfare state, as demonstrated by the fact that the last 3 presidents ran as peace candidates always beating the warfare candidate (OK, maybe Gore can possibly be excepted as being a warfare candidate)!

    Never mind that none of the winners turned out to be very peaceful but they all ran on that issue, including W. who was claiming to have no intention of undertaking nation-building. The success of the Trump election victory is, in (not just) my opinion, in no small measure due to his anti-war rhetoric which is definitely beginning to resonate in the heartland - one can only hope!

    , @ctail
    US citizens have more glands than neurons. The scenario is: that USA attacks; then Iran responds---perhaps even taking out an aircraft carrier. Then the USA totally ignores that they attacked first and the only thing they publicize is the horror and tragedy of the US loss---and suddenly in the MSM "USA is merely defending itself".... It is all standard fare: USA starts @ t=zero when it is convenient for their narrative, For Iran t=0 is the embassy hostage incident.
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  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Well, if the rumours about Cotton and Pompeo appointments materialise, Trump might as well move his own office to Jerusalem.

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    Seems the US Treasury is already there.
    , @RadicalCenter
    I'm sure he already owns a property or two in Fort Lauderdale.
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  7. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II
    I can't wait to see if they would be stupid enough to attack Iran :) Nk is completely out of the question unless the orange hair can somehow convince the chinese to stand down from a military ally.

    it would blow up spectacularly in their faces.

    there are no more safe countries to invade so to speak. iran is back up by both china and russia. NK is untouchable because of china.

    I am 100% sure yemen will become hell on earth in 2018. that is now 5 countries usa has destroyed in 17 years. we are evil fucks.

    we are evil fucks

    The Jews are evil fucks and that statement represents one of their greatest achievements. The US goyim will be blamed for everything – and they’ll pay for it all with their blood and coin.

    That’s why the Jews are willing to risk it.

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    • Replies: @DaveE
    Jews are evil fucks.

    Americans are stoopid and cowardly fucks for being so easily manipulated by the Jew.

    I can't decide which is worse.

    Merry Christmas. May we all get what we've earned.

    , @Astuteobservor II
    doesn't matter, we are still the ones doing the dirty work. there is no escape from the responsibility. it is like a hitman claiming he is a professional, it is just business. that doesn't fly.
    , @Wally
    “Jews” are “White” when they’ve done something bad.

    Yet when they’ve done something good, they’re “Jews” .... and not “Whites”.

    www.codoh.com
    , @goy
    man, you got that right,! 22 million bombed and killed since 1945, !, sick, delusional people; the us military members have to realize this and refuse; maybe take a few detours over israel and do the world a favor.
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  8. We’re all just hapless passengers on the Neocon Titanic, unable to influence what’s playing out on the bridge. Steady as she goes on the unsinkable U.S.S.

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    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    We the People have a responsibility to "storm the bridge" if that's what it takes.
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  9. The Neocons, on January 20, were standing on the podium behind Trump with a dagger to his kidneys and chanting, “Thou art mortal.” They’ve been doing so ever since. If Trump knew morse code, he’d no doubt be blinking “hostage” or “duress” when they let him loose to do the occasional rally.

    To take this to Reductio ad Hitlerum, if Trump really were a Hitler-type, he would have had a Himmler-type to take out the Neo-cons and Never-Trumpers, but he didn’t. Now we are paying for his weakness.

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    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    iirc Hitler himself killed Rohm

    The courage of the Knife AND the Blood.
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  10. Realist says:
    @Mark James
    I'm really concerned an attack on Iran is a correct assessment Philip. They are not a threat to the US and while I think we will be in a support capacity -with Israel obviously-- to a bunker buster attack it will be regarded as US backed war throughout the Islamic world. Trump may be too weak to resist Netanyahu's best sales pitch.

    Tillerson will be gone sooner or later.
    No question, perhaps the week between Christmas and New Year?

    Cotton and Pompeo
    Pompeo may have problems with the Mueller probe. Cotton has a number of rumors in his past and maybe they are just unfortunate talk? But I don't see him at CIA (we shall see?)

    The Neocons are turning up at MSNBC of late. In addition to Podhoretz, Brooks, Kristol, we are now seeing E.Johnson, B.Stephens, D.Pletka on the scene as regular rotation players. No doubt where they will be leading. Moving in where opportunities abound for some reason? At least two (Halperin, Ford) aren't around anymore on Coffee Joe.

    “Trump may be too weak to resist Netanyahu’s best sales pitch.”

    Trump is an Israeli sycophant…..a loser.

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  11. This is good one. Thank you, Philip.

    The Deep State is deeply kosher. ‘Neoconservatism’ is Yiddish for ‘supervising the goyim’. This is what the DC think tanks are for: ideological backup and narrative control.

    As with the Fourth Estate, the foundations generate cover for America’s unsought transformation at home and unjustified bellicosity abroad. The think tanks churn out papers and provide the talking heads. They supply deep cred where the cred doesn’t belong.

    And the winner is…

    Israel.

    Surprised?

    Inside Washington’s notorious beltway a lot of evil shit is going on. And there’s more being planned. Far more.

    Did somebody say ‘evil empire’?

    We happen to be living in one right now.

    The sacred cow in this horror show is none other than that plucky, downtrodden and ‘highly democratic’ ethno-state whose name we shouldn’t mention since it may constitute ‘hate speech’.

    So let’s all play it safe and and take a collective wild guess, shall we? (But don’t tell!)

    The neocon establishment, with its ambitious underlings, ethnic operatives, mega-donors, celebrity cheerleaders and script supervisors never left Washington when Obama did (nor in other inter-connected halls of power) and they don’t intend to now. Regime change is what happens in other countries. Not here.

    America has been conquered from within.

    But it’s all Russia’s fault!

    Here’s our very own Philip Giraldi from a recent LIVE broadcast on RT:

    https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/412407-trump-israel-jerusalem-capital/

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    • Replies: @Z-man
    Thanks for the clip Mark Green!
    Phil you should work with that guy Grant F. Smith of IRmep, we need young blood in the fight against 'The Cabal'. (Grin)
    , @ChuckOrloski
    "... Regime change is what happens in other countries. Not here.
    America has been conquered from within."


    Mark,

    What a great comment!

    Frankly I do not know anything beyond that which you wrote.

    Thanks very much.
    , @chris
    Excellent link Mark, thanks!
    , @RadicalCenter
    Speaking of Russia, how about everyone on here ditch the google and msn and yahoo accounts and sign up with Yandex email instead. Similarly, ditch the Deep State search engines and use yandex for that too.

    And vacation in Russia if you can afford it. We're going to. Hey, we're already on the NSA watch list just for posting on this site, what the heck.

    Of course, it would be JUST a little bit uncomfortable to get stuck in Russia if the US gov happens to launch an attack on Iran -- and, God forbid, on Russian forces in Syria -- while you're there seeing the sights!

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  12. From the movie Iron Sky, meant as a condemnation of Nazism, but inadvertently conveying a sensible message about the merits of purity.
    Renate Richter: This is very simple. The world is sick, but we are the doctors. The world is anemic, but we are the vitamin. The world is weary, but we are the strength. We are here to make the world healthy once again, with hard work, with honesty, with clarity, with decency. We are the product of loving mothers and brave fathers. We are the embodiment of love and bravery! We are the gift of both God and Science. We are the answer to the question. We are the promise delivered to all mankind. For that, we raise our hands to one Nation. We step to the beat of one drum. We march to the beat of one heart and it is this song that we will sing to this world. We are the people who carry the children on our shoulders in the same way that our fathers carried us and their fathers carried them. We are the one people united and strong. We are the one people with certainty, moral certainty. We are invincible and we have no fear because the truth makes us wise.

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    Nice. Reminds me of Seneca III.

    I know where I will stand and where it will take me, but I have nothing to lose but my children’s chains.
     
    http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/12/a-third-letter-to-my-people-ten-years-on/
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  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    we can expect armed conflict with Iran within the next year,
     
    Well, if conflict is simply air assault on Iranian nuclear facilities that shouldn't be a problem for either party.
    Israelis/Americans bomb a bit and then everything goes back to normal. Something as that cruise missile launch on Syria.

    In a case of a serious effort though, say, attempt to "regime change" in Iran, well, it hinges on a projected (in)ability to keep Hormuz open I guess.
    If that is possible the next problem would be a resilience/strength of the regime itself (how fragile it really is; or not).

    As mentioned several times on this site before, it all depends on a pretext for the intervention.
    American public isn't as gullible as before; at the same time we can see the power of the system through Russiagate etc.

    Interesting times.

    Well, if conflict is simply air assault on Iranian nuclear facilities that shouldn’t be a problem for either party.
    Israelis/Americans bomb a bit and then everything goes back to normal. Something as that cruise missile launch on Syria.

    That US missile attack on the Syrian airport cost Trump a lot of domestic and international support for zero benefit. Most Jews (and never-Trumpers) were happy but most Jews are sub-consciously suicidal.

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  14. I do not even want to guess at what kind of insanity…

    Insanity. That’s the key. Sick beyond redemption.

    No rational person could ever begin to understand their motives. Somehow the jackals need to be restrained.

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    Somehow the jackals need to be restrained.
     
    It's not that difficult to strategize HOW to go about "restraining the jackals."
    99 44/100% of what ziocons accuse others of is projection.
    They say, "They [_____ Iran, ISIS, Palestinians, Russians - fill in the blank] understand only force."

    This projects that the only thing that will restrain psychopathic Israel is force.

    When an Iranian nuclear engineer was assassinated in Tehran, Ronen Bergman told Brian Williams that "Israel has used assassination more than any other state; not even Stalin or Hitler used assassination as much as Israel. . . ."

    http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/__NEW/x_30_rc_bergman_120208.blocks_desktop_large.jpg

    Assassination wielded as 'a weapon' - Video on NBCNews.com

    Video for ronen bergman brian williams▶
    www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982
    Feb 8, 2012
    Video on NBCNews.com: Israel has long used assassination against its enemies, “hoping that by taking out ... https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=ronen+bergman+brian+williams&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982
    [looks like NBC has pulled the video ]
     
    Bergman continued: "In Israel they call Ahmadinejad Hitler. I don't agree, but anytime you say someone is Hitler, that means they are an enemy to my people, and you not only have the moral right, you have the moral duty to take them out."

    Bergman added, "We Jews have used assassination to change history."

    In America First terms, those who pose a threat to the American people are "Hitler" and Americans have the moral right and duty to take them out, in order to reform our history, to reclaim our history.


    What we need to do is draw up a list of Jewish "Hitlers, " and summon the guts to systematically take them out.



    ACCEPTING nominees for Israeli and Israel-firster Hitlers -- people who pose a threat to the American people:

    Bibi gets pride of place.
    Ehud Barak, right up there
    The Kagan clan and the Kristol network have betrayed the USA in multiple ways. They deserve a fair trial before they are summarily hung in the presence of their children.
    Whole list of Israel firster journos vying for the Julius Streicher slot
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  15. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Smeeton
    From the movie Iron Sky, meant as a condemnation of Nazism, but inadvertently conveying a sensible message about the merits of purity.
    Renate Richter: This is very simple. The world is sick, but we are the doctors. The world is anemic, but we are the vitamin. The world is weary, but we are the strength. We are here to make the world healthy once again, with hard work, with honesty, with clarity, with decency. We are the product of loving mothers and brave fathers. We are the embodiment of love and bravery! We are the gift of both God and Science. We are the answer to the question. We are the promise delivered to all mankind. For that, we raise our hands to one Nation. We step to the beat of one drum. We march to the beat of one heart and it is this song that we will sing to this world. We are the people who carry the children on our shoulders in the same way that our fathers carried us and their fathers carried them. We are the one people united and strong. We are the one people with certainty, moral certainty. We are invincible and we have no fear because the truth makes us wise.

    Nice. Reminds me of Seneca III.

    I know where I will stand and where it will take me, but I have nothing to lose but my children’s chains.

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/12/a-third-letter-to-my-people-ten-years-on/

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  16. Jake says:

    “The less said about Tom the better, but I will attempt to summarize in 8 words here: Tom is completely owned by the Israel Lobby. In his 2014 election as junior Senator from Arkansas, he received $1 million from the Emergency Committee for Israel headed by Bill Kristol as well as additional assistance from the Republican Jewish Coalition.”

    Cotton acts according to the proclivities, the prepossessions, the internal mandates of WASP Elite culture.

    Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy. Judaizing heresy always produces pro-Jewish politics and culture. The most archetypal WASP, Oliver Cromwell, allied with Jews precisely to fill his coffers with loans that would pay for ongoing WASP war to exterminate any independence, including any cultural independence, of non-WASP Christians. First those native to the British Isles, and then eying the world.

    From its very inception, the British Empire that would become the largest and wealthiest in world history was very much a pro-Jewish thing, in that Jews were its loan bankers and junior partners to the WASP war leaders and businessmen. And that alliance was always focused on stomping on virtually every other white Christian group with the intent of forcing cultural conversion to WASP.

    What people like Giraldi see as horror is also the natural, the inevitable, fruit of a nation grounded in the legacy of Puritans.

    There is no way to rid this nation of the threat, to almost all white Gentiles in the country as well as to almost the entire world, without removing WASP culture as the nation’s mandarin.

    And that is the reason there is no relief, no matter who gets elected. WASP culture continues to be regnant.

    And people like John Derbyshire and Peter Brimelow, therefore, are doing the duty that those they they think they oppose want them to do.

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    Oberlin College is the epitome of the John Knox version of puritanism. I don't think it is as simple as you claim, but there is a lot of truth in what you say. The 1600's Puritans outlawed Christmas just as the Jews want to do today. But today's Puritans are in a quandary about Christmas as the Christmas Capitalist Consumer orgy is the only thing that keeps the retail sector afloat.
    , @DaveE
    For the life of me, I can't figure out exactly WHAT kind of troll you are, exactly.

    You generally appear as a Jewish troll, making the stupidest non-arguments to blame you favorite enemy, WASPS, the cultural descendants of Luther, the greatest "anti-Semite" TM since Christ himself, making the idiotic claim WASPs are manipulating the poor Jews rather than the other way around.

    Then, next minute, you appear as a stupid black of the BLM / Antifa crowd, simply obsessed with taking cheap shots at the WASP to massage your battered ego..... Occasionally, you even manage to play the victim pretty convincingly for the poor, persecuted white guy, always victim of the "WASP elite" but never the far more diabolical (and powerful) Jews.......

    Either way, take a hike. We see through you all the way to Jerusalem.

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  17. Joe Hide says:

    It’s not at all that simple
    A huge game is being played, so complex that super computers, thousands of brilliant analysts, soon to be quantum computers, A.I., trillions of dollars in liquid and non-liquid assets, and remarkable hidden forces are interacting now. What we ordinary humans are presented with as the news, reality, …. is just what we can bare, enough to transform those of us who so strongly desire great truths and and powerful loving relationships. It’s a great and awakening age we live in.

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  18. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    We see the same usual suspects time and again, waving their pom-poms lustily cheering on endless war that does NOT help or benefit the USA. In fact, it is destroying our nation economically, spiritually and politically.

    From an April 2003 Haaretz article:

    The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it’s possible.

    This is a war of an elite. [Tom] Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/white-man-s-burden-1.14110

    Yet if you point out the obvious, that our foreign policy has been hijacked by an element whose first loyalty is to Israel, you will catch all sorts of hell, be banned from making comments on blogs and news sites, or like the brave Mr. Giraldi, lose your job. And be blasted with the worn-out canard of being an anti-Semite. Maybe even a Jew hater, all because you show concern for the nation you love and are loyal to.

    Will Americans ever realize they are being played for fools by a country and Zionist con artists which doesn’t give a tinkers damn about us or will we keep jumping up and down to the pom-pom waving?

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    Yet if you point out the obvious, that our foreign policy has been hijacked by an element whose first loyalty is to Israel, you will catch all sorts of hell, be banned from making comments on blogs and news sites, or like the brave Mr. Giraldi, lose your job. And be blasted with the worn-out canard of being an anti-Semite. Maybe even a Jew hater, all because you show concern for the nation you love and are loyal to.
     
    If you remember what happened to Rick Sanchez, the former talking head of NBC and CNN...when he was pushed into calling out the Jew in a 'gotcha' interview as he sarcastically replied that yeah Jews are underrepresented in the media. He was gone in '60 seconds'!
    Whatever happened to Rick Sanchez??? LOL!!!
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  19. Singh says:

    Reality of mosaic distinction means no they don’t just use ideology to hide their geopolitical ambitions. Rather, the ideology determines them and they do fervently believe at some level that democracy, meaning christian values/ethics, ਆਰ superior to the rest and must be proyselitized.

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  20. Zumbuddi says:
    @The Alarmist
    The Neocons, on January 20, were standing on the podium behind Trump with a dagger to his kidneys and chanting, "Thou art mortal." They've been doing so ever since. If Trump knew morse code, he'd no doubt be blinking "hostage" or "duress" when they let him loose to do the occasional rally.

    To take this to Reductio ad Hitlerum, if Trump really were a Hitler-type, he would have had a Himmler-type to take out the Neo-cons and Never-Trumpers, but he didn't. Now we are paying for his weakness.

    iirc Hitler himself killed Rohm

    The courage of the Knife AND the Blood.

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    Not so!
    The SA leadership had conference meeting in hotel.
    During night SS came and killed them all except Rohm.
    They killed them with knives as not to cause public disturbance.
    Rohm was taken to prison cell where on the table was pistol with one bullet.
    He was told to kill himself.
    Rohm refused.
    SS guard started to shoot and they were shooting until Rohm did stop twitching.
    Number of bullets was never counted {thoughtless Germans) but there were many.
    (The night of the long knives.)
    (Rohm was Hitlers commander in war and in civil life was his handler.}
    , @Wally
    Wrong again, he did not kill Rohm.

    www.codoh.com
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  21. The Controversy of Zion, by Douglas Reed, p.133ch.22

    http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdf

    Under The Law [Talmudic Jewish law] this destruction was not an end in itself; it was a means to the end laid down in The Law. The extirpation of nation-states was to be the essential prelude to the establishment of the triumphant nation-State, that of the chosen people in their promised land. Thus, in the middle of the last century, a second force also was brought into being in those same Eastern, Talmudic-ruled areas where the world revolution received its shape and impetus.
    This was Zionism, the force that was set in movement to achieve “the return” and lay the foundations of the supreme Nation-State in Palestine. This, the force of domination, at every stage in the process of the last hundred years kept step with the force of revolution, and neither could have achieved what it did achieve without the other. The achievement is clear: the “return” has been accomplished and the nation-state of the chosen people has been founded; simultaneously the nation-states of other peoples, those breeds outside The Law, have been reduced or extinguished. The dominant-force corrupted the governments of these states at the top level; the revolutionary-force eroded their foundations at the bottom [181] level. Dr. Kastein, having affirmed that the Jewish government (the “centre”, with its unbroken history of more than two thousand years) “ceased to exist” after the dissection of Poland in 1772, records that a hundred years later “a Jewish international” was in being. He evidently meant that the Jewish government of Jews had given way to a Jewish government of governments, and this is evidently the truth of our time.
    Disraeli spoke of “a network” of revolutionary organizations which covered the earth like a system of railroads; it is the perfect description of the destructive mechanism which was constructed. To achieve the greater purpose there had to be another network at the top, and although Disraeli did not use the word in that case, he alluded to it when he said, “The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes”. This is presumably “the Jewish international” of which Dr. Kastein speaks, a league of powerful and wealthy men at the top, under whose authority kings and princes, first, and republican presidents and politicians, next, equally found themselves.
    These two machines worked in synchronization, each promoting the aim of the other. In their dealings with the masses, the Gentile rulers were forced by the threat of revolution from below to yield ever more authority, until they fell; in their dealings with foreign countries, and in the wars to which these led, they were constrained by the power of the purse to support the plan of the symbolic “return” to Palestine. The Gentile often asks why men of wealth should promote revolution. Disraeli put the same question, in order to give the answer: they wish to destroy Christianity. He knew precisely what he meant; to the Gentile the answer may be made more comprehensible by saying that they obey the Talmudic Law, which requires the destruction of heathen nation-states as the prelude to the triumphant “return”.

    What to do about it?
    Educate the people about it.
    Spread the word.

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  22. iffen says:
    @peterAUS

    we can expect armed conflict with Iran within the next year,
     
    Well, if conflict is simply air assault on Iranian nuclear facilities that shouldn't be a problem for either party.
    Israelis/Americans bomb a bit and then everything goes back to normal. Something as that cruise missile launch on Syria.

    In a case of a serious effort though, say, attempt to "regime change" in Iran, well, it hinges on a projected (in)ability to keep Hormuz open I guess.
    If that is possible the next problem would be a resilience/strength of the regime itself (how fragile it really is; or not).

    As mentioned several times on this site before, it all depends on a pretext for the intervention.
    American public isn't as gullible as before; at the same time we can see the power of the system through Russiagate etc.

    Interesting times.

    American public isn’t as gullible as before;

    Sources please. :)

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  23. Yes all this Newspeak, to hide the fact that the US is a threat in anyone that disagrees with them…
    Let me try out some Newspeak: The situation calls out for a lasting and final solution to the American problem…

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  24. LondonBob says:

    I assume the old Bush the Elder realists no longer exist. Sadly I think everything is so geared up to perpetual war in America that only bankruptcy will stop it. On the plus side now Obama is no longer the front man Europe and the rest will increasingly go their own way, as I expect they would had Clinton won as well.

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    Faith in Bush the OLDER is misplaced.

    In 1979 he stood shoulder to shoulder w/ Bibi and Benzion Netenyahu, and Midge Decter & other neocons, in Jerusalem, as they drafted the blueprint for GWOT. Planning went so far as to name the 7 states to take out.
    USSR was #1 at the time.
    Jews got Jews Who had been highly educated at Russian expense - out of Russia, now Russia is back in the crosshairs.

    Bush I is what Jake would call a Judaized Episcopalian, aka a goy neocon.

    , @Twodees Partain
    By "Bush the Elder realists", do you mean Trotskyite neocon lunatics or rank and file CIA wetworkers? There are still plenty of those types gnawing away like rats everywhere you look.

    "Bush the Elder realists" indeed. Is Henry Kissinger one of those realists?
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  25. Trump was a Trojan horse for the Zionists who control every facet of the gov and now Trump has shown his true colors , that being a warmongering neocon and a fool who acts like Mussolini and has Kushner a mossad agent as his advisor.

    The only difference between Trump and Helliary is their plumbing, both are under the control of ISISRAEL.

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  26. Z-man says:

    Of course I hope you’re wrong Phil. While Pompeo would be …not good, Tillerson has been a big disappointment with his latest statements on Crimea and Ukraine included. Cotton would be another matter altogether and even though there is a ‘collegial spirit’ in the Senate I would hope that Rand Paul and other senators with common sense would squash this guys nomination. Even if he has to carry himself back from Kentucky, broken ribs and all, to squash this Neocon stooge Cotton. Also, I’m hopping there are some boys in the closet when it comes to Cotton. lol

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    Yes, and add his "Russia interfered in our election" crap while Trump calls it fake news to the disappointment.
    , @RadicalCenter
    I am afraid that Rand may be a case of the apple falling too far from the tree. We'll see.
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  27. Z-man says:
    @Mark James
    I'm really concerned an attack on Iran is a correct assessment Philip. They are not a threat to the US and while I think we will be in a support capacity -with Israel obviously-- to a bunker buster attack it will be regarded as US backed war throughout the Islamic world. Trump may be too weak to resist Netanyahu's best sales pitch.

    Tillerson will be gone sooner or later.
    No question, perhaps the week between Christmas and New Year?

    Cotton and Pompeo
    Pompeo may have problems with the Mueller probe. Cotton has a number of rumors in his past and maybe they are just unfortunate talk? But I don't see him at CIA (we shall see?)

    The Neocons are turning up at MSNBC of late. In addition to Podhoretz, Brooks, Kristol, we are now seeing E.Johnson, B.Stephens, D.Pletka on the scene as regular rotation players. No doubt where they will be leading. Moving in where opportunities abound for some reason? At least two (Halperin, Ford) aren't around anymore on Coffee Joe.

    Cotton has a number of rumors in his past and maybe they are just unfortunate talk?

    Interesting, I’ve always intuitively thought this guy is a weirdo besides being a Neocon lap dog so hopefully it’s true.

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    Cotton's most important virtue/selling point/marketable asset from Israel first POV is his seething hatred for Iran.

    He fought Israel's wars in Iraq and/or Afghanistan.
    Possible he lost comrades to IEDs ?? which are, of course, blamed on Iran.
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  28. Zumbuddi says:
    @LondonBob
    I assume the old Bush the Elder realists no longer exist. Sadly I think everything is so geared up to perpetual war in America that only bankruptcy will stop it. On the plus side now Obama is no longer the front man Europe and the rest will increasingly go their own way, as I expect they would had Clinton won as well.

    Faith in Bush the OLDER is misplaced.

    In 1979 he stood shoulder to shoulder w/ Bibi and Benzion Netenyahu, and Midge Decter & other neocons, in Jerusalem, as they drafted the blueprint for GWOT. Planning went so far as to name the 7 states to take out.
    USSR was #1 at the time.
    Jews got Jews Who had been highly educated at Russian expense – out of Russia, now Russia is back in the crosshairs.

    Bush I is what Jake would call a Judaized Episcopalian, aka a goy neocon.

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    "Jews got Jews Who had been highly educated at Russian expense – " out of Russian and into Israel.

    Yes, and guess who paid for them to be resettled in Israel.
    Hint: Not Russia. Not Israel.

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  29. Z-man says:
    @Haxo Angmark
    Trumpenthal will do nothing substantial about the Norks, because NK poses no threat to Israhell.

    and having largely refused to do Zion's dirty work in Syria, where Hezbollah, Russia, and Damascus have now routed Isramerica's pet Sunni terrorists, he thinks to appease the (((Beast))) by throwing it the Jerusalem bone...

    ...but that will not suffice. The (((Beast))), ex-Trotskyite communist Jew neo-conz and their uniparty shabbatz goyim, will push ever harder for an Isramerican/Saudi attack on Iran.

    and I hope (((they))) get what they want.

    I really do.

    Yes ZOG and The Beast, very Biblical. A pox on ‘The Beast’!

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  30. DaveE says:
    @Anonymous

    we are evil fucks
     
    The Jews are evil fucks and that statement represents one of their greatest achievements. The US goyim will be blamed for everything - and they'll pay for it all with their blood and coin.

    That's why the Jews are willing to risk it.

    Jews are evil fucks.

    Americans are stoopid and cowardly fucks for being so easily manipulated by the Jew.

    I can’t decide which is worse.

    Merry Christmas. May we all get what we’ve earned.

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  31. Ben Frank says:

    So far the President has proved much smarter than most people expected him to be. Let’s pray that he’s also smart enough to stay out of new wars.

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    So far the President has proved much smarter than most people expected him to be
     
    Exactamundo, Ben Frank (any relation to Anne, Princess of the Ballpoint Pen?).

    Naming Jerusalem the capital of Israel was fucking brilliant.

    Don't you worry your pretty little head about all the US forces in the multiple bases in the region that are accessible to mad-as-hornets Muslims; Israel will have their backs, fer shur.

    ---

    Come to think of it, maybe Trump can burnish his "much smarter-ness" by taking a page out of Reagan's playbook: Immediately after the first US soldier is plinked by an Angry Arab, Trump should pull ALL US FORCES out of the region: do a Reagan-post-Black Hawk down.

    If the Israelis want to stir the pot, let them stand over the steam-heat and wield the spoon. We're outa there.

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  32. Moi says:

    Philip, no need to get into a slather over the wars/invasions to come. Did they not teach you the violence began as soon as the good folk landed at Plymouth Rock? And it’s never stopped.

    I think Nikki Haley (nee Namrata Randhawa), the Sikh lady in Christian clothing, should be our next chief overseeing the devolution.

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  33. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Americans are stoopid and cowardly fucks for being so easily manipulated by the Jew.

    Not so much anymore. Meanwhile, didn’t the Muslims spend five years fighting each-other right on the Israeli border? But wait – they did attack Israel once – and apologised:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-28/isis-apologized-israel-attacking-idf-soldiers

    I don’t know what to tell you…

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    Yeah, yeah, yeah...... big bad ISIS.

    The Israeli Secret Intelligence Service. "Keeping Fools and Idiots At Each Other's Throats". Since 1950.

    I don't know what to tell you........
    , @druid
    Those were not "Muslims". They were ISIS and they apologized because they mistakenly bombed their supporters and benefactors in Israel! Had to keep the money flowing!
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  34. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Z-man

    Cotton has a number of rumors in his past and maybe they are just unfortunate talk?
     
    Interesting, I've always intuitively thought this guy is a weirdo besides being a Neocon lap dog so hopefully it's true.

    Cotton’s most important virtue/selling point/marketable asset from Israel first POV is his seething hatred for Iran.

    He fought Israel’s wars in Iraq and/or Afghanistan.
    Possible he lost comrades to IEDs ?? which are, of course, blamed on Iran.

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  35. Z-man says:
    @Mark Green
    This is good one. Thank you, Philip.

    The Deep State is deeply kosher. 'Neoconservatism' is Yiddish for 'supervising the goyim'. This is what the DC think tanks are for: ideological backup and narrative control.

    As with the Fourth Estate, the foundations generate cover for America's unsought transformation at home and unjustified bellicosity abroad. The think tanks churn out papers and provide the talking heads. They supply deep cred where the cred doesn't belong.

    And the winner is...

    Israel.

    Surprised?

    Inside Washington's notorious beltway a lot of evil shit is going on. And there's more being planned. Far more.

    Did somebody say 'evil empire'?

    We happen to be living in one right now.

    The sacred cow in this horror show is none other than that plucky, downtrodden and 'highly democratic' ethno-state whose name we shouldn't mention since it may constitute 'hate speech'.

    So let's all play it safe and and take a collective wild guess, shall we? (But don't tell!)

    The neocon establishment, with its ambitious underlings, ethnic operatives, mega-donors, celebrity cheerleaders and script supervisors never left Washington when Obama did (nor in other inter-connected halls of power) and they don't intend to now. Regime change is what happens in other countries. Not here.

    America has been conquered from within.

    But it's all Russia's fault!

    Here's our very own Philip Giraldi from a recent LIVE broadcast on RT:

    https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/412407-trump-israel-jerusalem-capital/

    Thanks for the clip Mark Green!
    Phil you should work with that guy Grant F. Smith of IRmep, we need young blood in the fight against ‘The Cabal’. (Grin)

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  36. nsa says:
    @peterAUS

    we can expect armed conflict with Iran within the next year,
     
    Well, if conflict is simply air assault on Iranian nuclear facilities that shouldn't be a problem for either party.
    Israelis/Americans bomb a bit and then everything goes back to normal. Something as that cruise missile launch on Syria.

    In a case of a serious effort though, say, attempt to "regime change" in Iran, well, it hinges on a projected (in)ability to keep Hormuz open I guess.
    If that is possible the next problem would be a resilience/strength of the regime itself (how fragile it really is; or not).

    As mentioned several times on this site before, it all depends on a pretext for the intervention.
    American public isn't as gullible as before; at the same time we can see the power of the system through Russiagate etc.

    Interesting times.

    “the American public isn’t as gullible as before….”
    Ha, Ha. You obviously do not live here. 99% of Americans have a flat screen JooBox installed in their living rooms and believe everything (jooie managed images and info) spewing forth from it. More than 50% of Americans have multiple flat screen JooBoxes in their homes so they can be sure not to miss the latest disinfo or lies. The power of the JooBox in the USA is near total…..examine the way it can spread glib moronic cliches throughout the population almost overnight: “my bad”, “winning”, “whatever”, “thinking outside the box”, “new paradigm”, “thrown under the bus”, “kicked to the curb”, “24, 7″…..etc. List is near endless. The best overused trash cliche occurs when two morons happen to share a thought….one of the morons proclaims a loud “BINGO!” showing profound agreement. Note that Orwell was 100% wrong. The modern Winston Smiths and Julias yearn to keep their blinking flat screen JooBoxes on so as to absorb the maximum amount of jooie lies and disinfo…….not turn the beast off or damage it.

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    Let me guess, NSA, this is taken straight from a random US ghetto. You guys are out of your depth. What planet are we on? Tell me.
    , @Stonehands
    Excellent! Well said- this is the crux of the matter.
    I admire the Amish for shunning all the printed clap- trap that comes from Madison ave., et al...for the very same reasons as shunning the Televitz...

    There's something to be said for not allowing "the devils tightrope" to be hooked up to your home. Electronics being the means by which men are made soft and degenerate.
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  37. None of the “buttons” are functioning.

    This is a reply to anon20171212 Comment #21

    Educate the people about it.

    Won’t do a bit of good, even if the (mostly sneering) masses were not so thoroughly brainwashed.

    People were much more savvy a century ago and spoke openly about the threat, politicians and businessman included, yet look at where we are now. As smart as they were, the masses trusted the system enough to get sucked into supporting the crackpots’ programs. Any change for the better will now have to come from without.

    Al it takes is a very few nutcases in key positions to ignore what the vast majority thinks or wants with virtually total impunity.

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  38. Z-man says:

    Looking at it from the other side of the coin, a positive side for most of us on this site, Trump could very well kick out more Neocons than he brings in. One example is the UN Ambassador who was as big a disappointment to me as when Obama brought in SHillary. She is going to naturally irritate the Trumpster so I can see her being jettisoned. But we shall see, he could put in somebody even worse!

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  39. The “problem” is that the whole American “business model” is based on global economic supremacy, which means, essentially, the dollar as world reserve currency. If that goes, the whole US house of cards will probably implode, Soviet-style. That requires unchallenged American “world leadership”. The big threat to the “American model” isn’t the EU and certainly not the Russian Federation. It’s China. 1.4 billion people and rapidly heading for global economic hegemony. To say nothing of a rising India at 1.2 billion. At 300 million, the US is small beans. How to ward off the Yellow Peril? That’s the problem the US hegemonists had to resolve. My theory is that their idea was a “White Man’s Confederacy”: the US, the EU (500 million) and an exhumed Soviet Union (300 million). That makes 1.1 billion. Kleptocrats of the world, unite! Which they all joyfully would! But of course, that couldn’t be an equal partnership. The US had to dominate the other two. The plan seems to have been to bamboozle Putin with pipedreams of “Eurasian” imperial glory and then use him as a battering ram to break up the EU and a bogeyman to keep the resulting plethora of small and more or less defenceless statelets under the US jackboot. Then, they would double-cross Putin via the oligarchs and turn the “Eurasian Union” into an American satellite. Bingo!
    What went wrong? Klitschko! The hegemonists believed their own propaganda. Nobody expected ordinary Ukrainians to demonstrate in favour of the EU. Nuland panicked and sent in the rent-a-rioters. Yanukovych then panicked and fled. Putin, seeing his promised “reward” slipping through his fingers, panicked and started grabbing Ukrainian land by force. Held back, no doubt, by Nuland and the neocons, Obama refrained from military action, thereby discrediting the US as the protector of the ex-EU statelets (and, horror of horrors, Israel!) and leaving the EU as the only alternative to Putin’s tanks. The latter then blundered into the Syrian civil war, making himself Israel’s enemy. That torpedoed the whole scam and the neocons, whose “asset” Putin originally was, broke with him.
    You can’t be great if you capitulate! Trump has no choice but to defeat Putin in Ukraine. If he doesn’t, the whole American model goes under, probably bringing down Israel with it. To the advantage, of course, of the Chinese. If Putin had had an ounce of political savvy (which he manifestly hasn’t!), he’d have backed Hillary. With Nuland at Foggy Bottom, she’d have cut a deal with Putin (no doubt to the EU’s and Ukraine’s disadvantage) and had the political credibility to sell the deal to Congress and to pressure the EU and Ukraine into knuckling under. Trump’s links to “dubious” Russians make that impossible. That the spooks didn’t see that coming tends to confirm Pompeo’s criticisms of the CIA.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    You get a 35% for effort, another 20% for attempting to connect dots.

    You fail because you did not consider the most significant dots; let's call it OBOR:

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/russiagate-becomes-israelgate/#comment-2112855
    (h/t RobinG)

    "…while the US mires itself in conflicts….

    The $10 Trillion Investment Plan To Integrate The Eurasian Supercontinent

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-08/10-trillion-investment-plan-integrate-eurasian-supercontinent

    “The effort is mainly focused on the development of railway networks, hospitals, and power plants. Such basic infrastructure will lay the groundwork for further development in countries involved in the BRI that otherwise have little capacity to invest in such projects themselves.

    According to Zhang Zansheng, an accredited researcher at the China Center for International Economic Exchanges, the first marker is set for 2020, the year that “further tangible progress” should be made in the development of the BRI, mainly referring to railway links between different Asian regions and the Mediterranean.

    Reflecting how things are already changing, dozens of trains leave monthly from European countries to reach China, the latest being one from Italy, leaving from the province of Pavia, a few kilometers from Milan.”
     
    US is stuck in its misinterpretation of WWI and WWII as US glory-days; they still haven't figured out that Jews used those wars to wipe out Jewish enemies and to occupy not only Palestine but USA.

    So badly do Americans understand that history -- distorted by design -- that they frequently overlook a detail -- that place where devils reside: WWI was fought, in part, over railroads:
    https://carlcymrushistoryblog.wordpress.com/2014/04/18/the-berlin-baghdad-railway-and-the-outbreak-of-world-war-one/

    https://carlcymrushistoryblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/ww1mapplease.gif

    Queen Nefertiti fought wars over trade routes to acquire myrrh.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RN2XNr6CWF8/Sv18JENuvhI/AAAAAAAACHg/fAS3eLenxR4/s400/nefertiti2.jpg
    Some things never change.
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  40. DaveE says:
    @Anonymous

    Americans are stoopid and cowardly fucks for being so easily manipulated by the Jew.
     
    Not so much anymore. Meanwhile, didn't the Muslims spend five years fighting each-other right on the Israeli border? But wait - they did attack Israel once - and apologised:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-28/isis-apologized-israel-attacking-idf-soldiers

    I don't know what to tell you...

    Yeah, yeah, yeah…… big bad ISIS.

    The Israeli Secret Intelligence Service. “Keeping Fools and Idiots At Each Other’s Throats”. Since 1950.

    I don’t know what to tell you……..

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  41. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    I do not even want to guess at what kind of insanity...
     
    Insanity. That's the key. Sick beyond redemption.

    No rational person could ever begin to understand their motives. Somehow the jackals need to be restrained.

    Somehow the jackals need to be restrained.

    It’s not that difficult to strategize HOW to go about “restraining the jackals.”
    99 44/100% of what ziocons accuse others of is projection.
    They say, “They [_____ Iran, ISIS, Palestinians, Russians - fill in the blank] understand only force.”

    This projects that the only thing that will restrain psychopathic Israel is force.

    When an Iranian nuclear engineer was assassinated in Tehran, Ronen Bergman told Brian Williams that “Israel has used assassination more than any other state; not even Stalin or Hitler used assassination as much as Israel. . . .”

    Assassination wielded as ‘a weapon’ – Video on NBCNews.com

    Video for ronen bergman brian williams▶
    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982
    Feb 8, 2012
    Video on NBCNews.com: Israel has long used assassination against its enemies, “hoping that by taking out … https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=ronen+bergman+brian+williams&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982

    [looks like NBC has pulled the video ]

    Bergman continued: “In Israel they call Ahmadinejad Hitler. I don’t agree, but anytime you say someone is Hitler, that means they are an enemy to my people, and you not only have the moral right, you have the moral duty to take them out.”

    Bergman added, “We Jews have used assassination to change history.”

    In America First terms, those who pose a threat to the American people are “Hitler” and Americans have the moral right and duty to take them out, in order to reform our history, to reclaim our history.

    What we need to do is draw up a list of Jewish “Hitlers, ” and summon the guts to systematically take them out.

    ACCEPTING nominees for Israeli and Israel-firster Hitlers — people who pose a threat to the American people:

    Bibi gets pride of place.
    Ehud Barak, right up there
    The Kagan clan and the Kristol network have betrayed the USA in multiple ways. They deserve a fair trial before they are summarily hung in the presence of their children.
    Whole list of Israel firster journos vying for the Julius Streicher slot

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    This projects that the only thing that will restrain psychopathic Israel is force.
     
    Yes, but the force must be carefully pre-planned and final.
    , @Talha
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8bRSt5SK5E
    , @Miro23

    This projects that the only thing that will restrain psychopathic Israel is force.
     
    It was always this way.

    It's not a question of morality or justice, it's wholly a question of power. Pro Israel US Jews own the US media, education, government and the financial system and they use this power for Israel First, with the US fighting $ Trillion wars for Israel and transferring everything of economic or military value.

    In other words Israel is running the American Empire in traditional colonial style, with earlier colonial Empires having worked the same way:

    The Indian Empire was run by a British colonial elite, who lived apart from the natives, formed a close social network emphasizing British traditions, did not intermarry with natives, and frequently emphasized the racial superiority of the "Englishman" to justify their rule (dictatorship). They recognized that they were few in number, and developed a cadre of native collaborators who were inducted into the British Way with local leaders almost having the status of Englishmen (Indian princes and princesses such as John McCain and Hillary Clinton), and with a British commanded native military.

    The British Indian Empire was eventually brought down by Indian nationalism - hence the intense Jewish concern with stamping out everything to do with American nationalism.
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  42. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @nsa
    "the American public isn't as gullible as before...."
    Ha, Ha. You obviously do not live here. 99% of Americans have a flat screen JooBox installed in their living rooms and believe everything (jooie managed images and info) spewing forth from it. More than 50% of Americans have multiple flat screen JooBoxes in their homes so they can be sure not to miss the latest disinfo or lies. The power of the JooBox in the USA is near total.....examine the way it can spread glib moronic cliches throughout the population almost overnight: "my bad", "winning", "whatever", "thinking outside the box", "new paradigm", "thrown under the bus", "kicked to the curb", "24, 7".....etc. List is near endless. The best overused trash cliche occurs when two morons happen to share a thought....one of the morons proclaims a loud "BINGO!" showing profound agreement. Note that Orwell was 100% wrong. The modern Winston Smiths and Julias yearn to keep their blinking flat screen JooBoxes on so as to absorb the maximum amount of jooie lies and disinfo.......not turn the beast off or damage it.

    Let me guess, NSA, this is taken straight from a random US ghetto. You guys are out of your depth. What planet are we on? Tell me.

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    I am not NSA, although am generally agreeing with NSA, but this thread has too many dodgy 'Anon' morons like yourself, who don't deserve any attention at all, you can be satisfied with a few words from me.

    YOU ARE A CRETIN, THE SITE WOULD BE THAT LITTLE BIT IMPROVED IF YOU VANISHED and do your turd-rate trolling somewhere else.
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  43. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ben Frank
    So far the President has proved much smarter than most people expected him to be. Let's pray that he's also smart enough to stay out of new wars.

    So far the President has proved much smarter than most people expected him to be

    Exactamundo, Ben Frank (any relation to Anne, Princess of the Ballpoint Pen?).

    Naming Jerusalem the capital of Israel was fucking brilliant.

    Don’t you worry your pretty little head about all the US forces in the multiple bases in the region that are accessible to mad-as-hornets Muslims; Israel will have their backs, fer shur.

    Come to think of it, maybe Trump can burnish his “much smarter-ness” by taking a page out of Reagan’s playbook: Immediately after the first US soldier is plinked by an Angry Arab, Trump should pull ALL US FORCES out of the region: do a Reagan-post-Black Hawk down.

    If the Israelis want to stir the pot, let them stand over the steam-heat and wield the spoon. We’re outa there.

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    Ben Frank (any relation to Anne, Princess of the Ballpoint Pen?).
     
    LOL!!!
    , @Wally
    said:
    "Exactamundo, Ben Frank (any relation to Anne, Princess of the Ballpoint Pen?)."

    See the FOUR very different handwritings in 'Anne Frank's' fraudulent & laughable diary:
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p-97_Faurisson.html

    http://www.ihr.org/images/jhr/v09/v09p-97_Faurisson1.jpg
    Sample 1: 29 April 1940:
    Anne was almost 11. Source: New York Times, 22 July 1988, p. A1.

    http://www.ihr.org/images/jhr/v09/v09p-97_Faurisson2.jpg
    Sample 2: 30 July 1941:
    Anne was a little more than 12. Source: De Dagboeken van Anne Frank, Amsterdam; RIOD, 1986, p. 126.

    http://www.ihr.org/images/jhr/v09/v09p-97_Faurisson3.jpg
    Sample 3: 12 June 1942:
    Anne was exactly 13. Source: Journal de Anne Frank, Calmann-Levy, 1950.

    http://www.ihr.org/images/jhr/v09/v09p-97_Faurisson4.jpg
    Sample 4: 10 Oct 1942:
    Anne was a little more than 13. Source: Journal de Anne Frank, Livre de Poche, 1975.

    Much more here:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10854&p=81362&hilit=anne+frank+handwriting#p81362
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  44. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The people of the ME can’t catch a break. Since being pried away from the Ottoman empire a hundred years ago they’ve been the plaything of various western countries. Their national borders drawn up by distant foreigners, they’ve been interfered with constantly, their regimes dictated by foreigners. Then the selfsame westerners turn around and point to their backwardness as proof that they’re incapable of doing anything on their own.
    The US is expansionist, projecting itself all over the globe and uses force against anyone who resists. Force is all it understands. What happens when the irresistible force bumps into the immovable object? War hysteria, of which we’ve had an unending amount for the past three generations. Objectively there’s nothing conservative about the so-called neocons. They’re hardly any different from fascists except the rhetoric is different. Mussolini had limits as to how much territory he wanted to conquer for his empire unlike the US which recognizes no limits.

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  45. The good news is that the builders of home bomb shelters, a booming enterprise when I was growing up back in the 1950s and 1960s now used to cultivate mushrooms, will be back in business.

    Word to the wise.

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  46. Rurik says:

    replaced at CIA by Senator Tom Cotton.

    it was faint, and barely perceptible, but at some level, I did actually tremble when I read those words

    Cotton is the new John McCain

    the ultimate traitor to this nation and its people and all people of good will on the planet and every tenet of decency known to the universe

    a lickspittle to Sheldon Adelson and everything that repulsive toad represents

    if Cotton is exalted to head the CIA, I’ll have to think very hard about leaving these shores

    perhaps Bobby Fischer was right, and the ZUSA is endemically, irredeemably evil.

    there can be no doubt that the zio-Fiend is the incarnation of evil itself, but I always keep hoping that the good people of the ZUS will repudiate the zio-Fiend- that has them waging serial wars all over the planet to benefit the Jews. As their infrastructure crumbles back home, and their veterans can’t get health care, and the jobs are ‘in’ and outsourced to the third world.

    what will it take to wake up the bovine, cud-chewing sheople?!

    their children come home in body bags, or with their souls so eviscerated by the sheer evil of the wars they’re forced to fight, that they often just ‘snuff it’ as the only escape from their nightmares. (and the realization that the ZUSA is a drooling fiend and that they’ve murdered innocent people and destroyed nations on its behalf)

    those young people can not abide the evil that the ZUS government has become, and their only salvation is to end their young lives.

    for those of us with more choices at hand, why can’t we finally and simply repudiate the zio-scum who’ve done us and so many others so much harm?!

    NOT TOM COTTON!!!!!

    fuck no!

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    relax
    tom cotton is going to the cia
    as a door stop
    , @anonymous
    It is satisfying to see how the pagan polytheist West's hatred of True Monotheism (the faith of Christ himself) and its adherents, is rotting its very soul.

    Perhaps this is what it means by "He works in mysterious ways"?

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  47. @Michael Kenny
    The “problem” is that the whole American “business model” is based on global economic supremacy, which means, essentially, the dollar as world reserve currency. If that goes, the whole US house of cards will probably implode, Soviet-style. That requires unchallenged American “world leadership”. The big threat to the “American model” isn’t the EU and certainly not the Russian Federation. It’s China. 1.4 billion people and rapidly heading for global economic hegemony. To say nothing of a rising India at 1.2 billion. At 300 million, the US is small beans. How to ward off the Yellow Peril? That’s the problem the US hegemonists had to resolve. My theory is that their idea was a “White Man’s Confederacy”: the US, the EU (500 million) and an exhumed Soviet Union (300 million). That makes 1.1 billion. Kleptocrats of the world, unite! Which they all joyfully would! But of course, that couldn’t be an equal partnership. The US had to dominate the other two. The plan seems to have been to bamboozle Putin with pipedreams of “Eurasian” imperial glory and then use him as a battering ram to break up the EU and a bogeyman to keep the resulting plethora of small and more or less defenceless statelets under the US jackboot. Then, they would double-cross Putin via the oligarchs and turn the “Eurasian Union” into an American satellite. Bingo!
    What went wrong? Klitschko! The hegemonists believed their own propaganda. Nobody expected ordinary Ukrainians to demonstrate in favour of the EU. Nuland panicked and sent in the rent-a-rioters. Yanukovych then panicked and fled. Putin, seeing his promised “reward” slipping through his fingers, panicked and started grabbing Ukrainian land by force. Held back, no doubt, by Nuland and the neocons, Obama refrained from military action, thereby discrediting the US as the protector of the ex-EU statelets (and, horror of horrors, Israel!) and leaving the EU as the only alternative to Putin’s tanks. The latter then blundered into the Syrian civil war, making himself Israel’s enemy. That torpedoed the whole scam and the neocons, whose “asset” Putin originally was, broke with him.
    You can’t be great if you capitulate! Trump has no choice but to defeat Putin in Ukraine. If he doesn’t, the whole American model goes under, probably bringing down Israel with it. To the advantage, of course, of the Chinese. If Putin had had an ounce of political savvy (which he manifestly hasn’t!), he’d have backed Hillary. With Nuland at Foggy Bottom, she’d have cut a deal with Putin (no doubt to the EU’s and Ukraine’s disadvantage) and had the political credibility to sell the deal to Congress and to pressure the EU and Ukraine into knuckling under. Trump’s links to “dubious” Russians make that impossible. That the spooks didn’t see that coming tends to confirm Pompeo’s criticisms of the CIA.

    You get a 35% for effort, another 20% for attempting to connect dots.

    You fail because you did not consider the most significant dots; let’s call it OBOR:

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/russiagate-becomes-israelgate/#comment-2112855

    (h/t RobinG)

    …while the US mires itself in conflicts….

    The $10 Trillion Investment Plan To Integrate The Eurasian Supercontinent

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-08/10-trillion-investment-plan-integrate-eurasian-supercontinent

    “The effort is mainly focused on the development of railway networks, hospitals, and power plants. Such basic infrastructure will lay the groundwork for further development in countries involved in the BRI that otherwise have little capacity to invest in such projects themselves.

    According to Zhang Zansheng, an accredited researcher at the China Center for International Economic Exchanges, the first marker is set for 2020, the year that “further tangible progress” should be made in the development of the BRI, mainly referring to railway links between different Asian regions and the Mediterranean.

    Reflecting how things are already changing, dozens of trains leave monthly from European countries to reach China, the latest being one from Italy, leaving from the province of Pavia, a few kilometers from Milan.”

    US is stuck in its misinterpretation of WWI and WWII as US glory-days; they still haven’t figured out that Jews used those wars to wipe out Jewish enemies and to occupy not only Palestine but USA.

    So badly do Americans understand that history — distorted by design — that they frequently overlook a detail — that place where devils reside: WWI was fought, in part, over railroads:

    https://carlcymrushistoryblog.wordpress.com/2014/04/18/the-berlin-baghdad-railway-and-the-outbreak-of-world-war-one/

    Queen Nefertiti fought wars over trade routes to acquire myrrh.

    Some things never change.

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    PS If the USA / American people and their representatives conformed foreign as well as economic policy to the vision of George Washington rather than Louis Brandeis ---> Benjamin Netanyahu & fellow psychopaths and traitors, USA would engage with OBOR rather than attempt to destroy it.

    Check out anon20171212's comment at #21, above http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/bad-moon-rising/#comment-2115106

    Destruction (and deception) are the way of the Talmudists.

    Even Heinrich Graetz, the Germanophilic Jew who authored the first modern history of the Jewish people, had nothing but opprobrium to heap on Talmudists.

    https://archive.org/details/historyofthejews014022mbp

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqeRpiVQ-9Y

    The American 'way' is not the way of the Talmud.

    Christian values are not Talmudic values.

    George Washington's legacy was not Talmudic, it was America First:
    https://www.varsitytutors.com/earlyamerica/milestone-events/george-washingtons-farewell-address-full-text

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  48. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Somehow the jackals need to be restrained.
     
    It's not that difficult to strategize HOW to go about "restraining the jackals."
    99 44/100% of what ziocons accuse others of is projection.
    They say, "They [_____ Iran, ISIS, Palestinians, Russians - fill in the blank] understand only force."

    This projects that the only thing that will restrain psychopathic Israel is force.

    When an Iranian nuclear engineer was assassinated in Tehran, Ronen Bergman told Brian Williams that "Israel has used assassination more than any other state; not even Stalin or Hitler used assassination as much as Israel. . . ."

    http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/__NEW/x_30_rc_bergman_120208.blocks_desktop_large.jpg

    Assassination wielded as 'a weapon' - Video on NBCNews.com

    Video for ronen bergman brian williams▶
    www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982
    Feb 8, 2012
    Video on NBCNews.com: Israel has long used assassination against its enemies, “hoping that by taking out ... https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=ronen+bergman+brian+williams&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982
    [looks like NBC has pulled the video ]
     
    Bergman continued: "In Israel they call Ahmadinejad Hitler. I don't agree, but anytime you say someone is Hitler, that means they are an enemy to my people, and you not only have the moral right, you have the moral duty to take them out."

    Bergman added, "We Jews have used assassination to change history."

    In America First terms, those who pose a threat to the American people are "Hitler" and Americans have the moral right and duty to take them out, in order to reform our history, to reclaim our history.


    What we need to do is draw up a list of Jewish "Hitlers, " and summon the guts to systematically take them out.



    ACCEPTING nominees for Israeli and Israel-firster Hitlers -- people who pose a threat to the American people:

    Bibi gets pride of place.
    Ehud Barak, right up there
    The Kagan clan and the Kristol network have betrayed the USA in multiple ways. They deserve a fair trial before they are summarily hung in the presence of their children.
    Whole list of Israel firster journos vying for the Julius Streicher slot

    This projects that the only thing that will restrain psychopathic Israel is force.

    Yes, but the force must be carefully pre-planned and final.

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  49. Sloopyjoe says:

    OT

    RE: http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/russiagate-becomes-israelgate/ Comment #607

    Mr. Unz and Mr. Giraldi,

    I was wondering if you two had come to any conclusion as to giving permission for the project below. Thanks.

    _________

    Hey guys, I see a problem and I have an idea for a solution.

    Analysis of Mr. Giraldi’s comment section

    I have noticed over the 10 months I’ve been posting on The UNZ Review and primarily on Mr. Giraldi’s articles, that there are many competent well-meaning researchers here who are trying to get the good info out and fight the good fight. I think most of us can agree that there is an undue and significant Israeli-Firster influence within the US host body. I have also noticed a few subversive mentally deficient trolls who seem to delight in triggering some of you into time-wasting keyboard battles. Ridicule/Ignore them. If you must reply, keep your responses short and to the point. You ain’t gonna change their minds. Forget the ego trip about getting the last word in and grow a thicker skin. These “Creatures” are a waste of your time and energy. Frankly, you will get better results and more enjoyment talking with your dog/cat. Instead of wasting time and energy on non-productive endeavors, how about putting that time and energy into something constructive/productive?

    First, I would like to ask Mr. Unz and Mr. Giraldi for permission for the use of their comment section to update the List Summaries. This exercise is by no means to be construed as a “Witch Hunt”. Nor do I wish this to become a hijacking of articles.

    The “Utu” Revelation and the “Who Controls the USA List Summaries” (comment #6)

    The drive-by lippy and wannabe Mr. Know-It-All gatekeeper, Utu, gave me an idea. In life, when one is dealt lemons, make lemonade. I believe many have found the List Summaries (LS) to be informative and possibly overwhelming in nature as to the degree of Jewish over-representation. Rather than be dismayed and cry about it, how about helping to update and fill in the blanks. This would be an open-sourced collective effort and documented with links. The incompetent/compromised bureaucrats and keystone cops of the USSA sure as hell don’t seem to care, so the job is left up to us.

    Here’s how it would work:
    1) Pick your LS section
    2) Use the LS as the framework.
    3) Fill in your LS section with:
    A) Full Names of each person with a (J) after the name if a Jew, (C) for Christian, (M) Muslim, etc.
    B) Pictures
    C) A brief Bio of each person.
    D) Use the same weighting method to find the proportion of Jews.

    Post publicly available documents to be reviewed by all who wish to participate in this exercise. The contents of the various LS and related methodology used can be changed by consensus agreement by those who wish to participate through a REAL democratic voting process. Future sections can be added later.

    I would also like to state that just because someone is a Jew, does not mean that they are being subversive towards the USA. This is simply a more in-depth survey and updating of a previous list summary that shows the potential over-representation of Jews in various positions.

    This is just an initial idea and I would like to hear the ideas of others, as well as, from Mr. Giraldi, who has worked in Counter-Intelligence.

    Anyone interested in becoming a Productive Pajamahadeen?

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  50. I have to admit being fond of isreal because of my roots in scripture. But that intimacy does not include any default embrace of any thing Israel does goes because salvation is through the Jewish line. That reality has no press as to any believer in Christ being second or unduly loyal to Jews.

    I think is just best said, the underpinnings of Israeli support lies in our underlying understanding of scripture and the end times. Which has become a bait and hook to most US politicians, even if they wouldn’t have thing a thing to with scripture or Christ if they met him in person.

    it is more than troubling.

    While I think I understand the neo-conservative gambit, I find it hard to embrace as a practice for it violates the very principles upon which the gambit is being pressed.

    Despite our disagreements. It is always good to read your articles, – appreciated for their depth of information and breadth of analysis. You and Scot Ritter are just really huge bees in the ointment of complacency.

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    Can you name 3 books, other than scripture, that you've read in the past year?
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  51. @SolontoCroesus
    You get a 35% for effort, another 20% for attempting to connect dots.

    You fail because you did not consider the most significant dots; let's call it OBOR:

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/russiagate-becomes-israelgate/#comment-2112855
    (h/t RobinG)

    "…while the US mires itself in conflicts….

    The $10 Trillion Investment Plan To Integrate The Eurasian Supercontinent

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-08/10-trillion-investment-plan-integrate-eurasian-supercontinent

    “The effort is mainly focused on the development of railway networks, hospitals, and power plants. Such basic infrastructure will lay the groundwork for further development in countries involved in the BRI that otherwise have little capacity to invest in such projects themselves.

    According to Zhang Zansheng, an accredited researcher at the China Center for International Economic Exchanges, the first marker is set for 2020, the year that “further tangible progress” should be made in the development of the BRI, mainly referring to railway links between different Asian regions and the Mediterranean.

    Reflecting how things are already changing, dozens of trains leave monthly from European countries to reach China, the latest being one from Italy, leaving from the province of Pavia, a few kilometers from Milan.”
     
    US is stuck in its misinterpretation of WWI and WWII as US glory-days; they still haven't figured out that Jews used those wars to wipe out Jewish enemies and to occupy not only Palestine but USA.

    So badly do Americans understand that history -- distorted by design -- that they frequently overlook a detail -- that place where devils reside: WWI was fought, in part, over railroads:
    https://carlcymrushistoryblog.wordpress.com/2014/04/18/the-berlin-baghdad-railway-and-the-outbreak-of-world-war-one/

    https://carlcymrushistoryblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/ww1mapplease.gif

    Queen Nefertiti fought wars over trade routes to acquire myrrh.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RN2XNr6CWF8/Sv18JENuvhI/AAAAAAAACHg/fAS3eLenxR4/s400/nefertiti2.jpg
    Some things never change.

    PS If the USA / American people and their representatives conformed foreign as well as economic policy to the vision of George Washington rather than Louis Brandeis —> Benjamin Netanyahu & fellow psychopaths and traitors, USA would engage with OBOR rather than attempt to destroy it.

    Check out anon20171212′s comment at #21, above http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/bad-moon-rising/#comment-2115106

    Destruction (and deception) are the way of the Talmudists.

    Even Heinrich Graetz, the Germanophilic Jew who authored the first modern history of the Jewish people, had nothing but opprobrium to heap on Talmudists.

    https://archive.org/details/historyofthejews014022mbp

    The American ‘way’ is not the way of the Talmud.

    Christian values are not Talmudic values.

    George Washington’s legacy was not Talmudic, it was America First:

    https://www.varsitytutors.com/earlyamerica/milestone-events/george-washingtons-farewell-address-full-text

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  52. @Anonymous

    we are evil fucks
     
    The Jews are evil fucks and that statement represents one of their greatest achievements. The US goyim will be blamed for everything - and they'll pay for it all with their blood and coin.

    That's why the Jews are willing to risk it.

    doesn’t matter, we are still the ones doing the dirty work. there is no escape from the responsibility. it is like a hitman claiming he is a professional, it is just business. that doesn’t fly.

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    Nope. You are shifting the blame and you can't "shift" something like that. It's not a bag of potatoes. It doesn't mean that the lazy or the weak can get away with it. Everyone will be judged independently.
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  53. Ken S says:

    What’s with it with neoconservative Israel lackeys like Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz graduating from a prestigious and supposedly left-wing school like Harvard? Are they book-smart without common sense? The country would be better off if Cotton stayed in the Senate. He can do less damage if 1 of 100. Plus,the shelf-life of anyone in the Trump admin seems to be very short – and he’d better not have groped any Harvard classmates, who might just be waiting in the wings to destroy his career.

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  54. Z-man says:
    @anonymous

    So far the President has proved much smarter than most people expected him to be
     
    Exactamundo, Ben Frank (any relation to Anne, Princess of the Ballpoint Pen?).

    Naming Jerusalem the capital of Israel was fucking brilliant.

    Don't you worry your pretty little head about all the US forces in the multiple bases in the region that are accessible to mad-as-hornets Muslims; Israel will have their backs, fer shur.

    ---

    Come to think of it, maybe Trump can burnish his "much smarter-ness" by taking a page out of Reagan's playbook: Immediately after the first US soldier is plinked by an Angry Arab, Trump should pull ALL US FORCES out of the region: do a Reagan-post-Black Hawk down.

    If the Israelis want to stir the pot, let them stand over the steam-heat and wield the spoon. We're outa there.

    Ben Frank (any relation to Anne, Princess of the Ballpoint Pen?).

    LOL!!!

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  55. JustJeff says:

    Well the Jews have won, hands down. Time to find some new websites to read cause this is just getting depressing.

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    Well the Jews have won, hands down. Time to find some new websites to read cause this is just getting depressing.
     
    No, the Jews haven't won. In fact, they are losing. The proof is that Trump is president, not Hillary -- in spite of nearly nonstop assault on Trump before Nov 2016 by the mainstream media. It's clear that roughly half of the American people are unconvinced, to put it mildly, by the mainstream propaganda; this percentage can only increase, as their lies become more desperate and blatant.

    Of course, since the inauguration they seem to have taken over what passes for Trump's brain. But this too will pass. The neocon peak was the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan; since then, their ability to start another war for Israel's benefit has sharply declined. They are now reduced to using indirect methods (i.e. Jerusalem) to sucker the U.S. into another war. They can't do it directly any more. As I said, they are losing: their influence is waning fast.
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  56. Che Guava says:
    @peterAUS

    we can expect armed conflict with Iran within the next year,
     
    Well, if conflict is simply air assault on Iranian nuclear facilities that shouldn't be a problem for either party.
    Israelis/Americans bomb a bit and then everything goes back to normal. Something as that cruise missile launch on Syria.

    In a case of a serious effort though, say, attempt to "regime change" in Iran, well, it hinges on a projected (in)ability to keep Hormuz open I guess.
    If that is possible the next problem would be a resilience/strength of the regime itself (how fragile it really is; or not).

    As mentioned several times on this site before, it all depends on a pretext for the intervention.
    American public isn't as gullible as before; at the same time we can see the power of the system through Russiagate etc.

    Interesting times.

    You are a lunatic.

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  57. As recently as a month ago, I was still willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. But it should now be obvious to all what a total zio-muppet he really is. If there’s any silver lining in all of this, it’s the fact that the Jew-media have expended so much effort in attacking Trump that he’ll now make a very poor spokesman for their cause abroad.

    BTW, I still don’t see an attack on Iran as being very likely. If Russia and China would not greenlight an attack on Syria, they will be doubly reluctant to greelight an attack on Iran.

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    I can see your points on Trump but I'm still holding out hope. My spin is a la the Godfather, 'Keep your friends close and your enemies closer'. He has to protect his flanks, the entire spectrum of the tribe attacking him for 'this or that' while still keeping his core nationalist values, if he has any. I'm hoping he still does.
    One thing he has to do, no matter what, is get that weird son in law and 'converted' daughter out of the WH!
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  58. Che Guava says:
    @Anonymous
    Let me guess, NSA, this is taken straight from a random US ghetto. You guys are out of your depth. What planet are we on? Tell me.

    I am not NSA, although am generally agreeing with NSA, but this thread has too many dodgy ‘Anon’ morons like yourself, who don’t deserve any attention at all, you can be satisfied with a few words from me.

    YOU ARE A CRETIN, THE SITE WOULD BE THAT LITTLE BIT IMPROVED IF YOU VANISHED and do your turd-rate trolling somewhere else.

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  59. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II
    doesn't matter, we are still the ones doing the dirty work. there is no escape from the responsibility. it is like a hitman claiming he is a professional, it is just business. that doesn't fly.

    Nope. You are shifting the blame and you can’t “shift” something like that. It’s not a bag of potatoes. It doesn’t mean that the lazy or the weak can get away with it. Everyone will be judged independently.

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  60. Z-man says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    As recently as a month ago, I was still willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. But it should now be obvious to all what a total zio-muppet he really is. If there's any silver lining in all of this, it's the fact that the Jew-media have expended so much effort in attacking Trump that he'll now make a very poor spokesman for their cause abroad.

    BTW, I still don't see an attack on Iran as being very likely. If Russia and China would not greenlight an attack on Syria, they will be doubly reluctant to greelight an attack on Iran.

    I can see your points on Trump but I’m still holding out hope. My spin is a la the Godfather, ‘Keep your friends close and your enemies closer’. He has to protect his flanks, the entire spectrum of the tribe attacking him for ‘this or that’ while still keeping his core nationalist values, if he has any. I’m hoping he still does.
    One thing he has to do, no matter what, is get that weird son in law and ‘converted’ daughter out of the WH!

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    I used to think like that 3-4 months ago. Alas, his enemies are so close now that their penises are messing with his vocal cords and digestion.
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  61. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    I have to admit being fond of isreal because of my roots in scripture. But that intimacy does not include any default embrace of any thing Israel does goes because salvation is through the Jewish line. That reality has no press as to any believer in Christ being second or unduly loyal to Jews.

    I think is just best said, the underpinnings of Israeli support lies in our underlying understanding of scripture and the end times. Which has become a bait and hook to most US politicians, even if they wouldn't have thing a thing to with scripture or Christ if they met him in person.


    it is more than troubling.

    While I think I understand the neo-conservative gambit, I find it hard to embrace as a practice for it violates the very principles upon which the gambit is being pressed.

    Despite our disagreements. It is always good to read your articles, - appreciated for their depth of information and breadth of analysis. You and Scot Ritter are just really huge bees in the ointment of complacency.

    Can you name 3 books, other than scripture, that you’ve read in the past year?

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    I will list the books in progress:


    Africa: Meredith

    Color or Law: Richard Rothstein

    You Have the Right to Remain Innocent: Duane

    My Side of the Street: Trennert

    FlashBoys: Lewis


    Waiting in the wings


    Brilliant Solution: Berkin -- also on disk

    Washington Rules: Bacevic


    Sometimes a read a book in two days, sometimes a week, sometimes a month or several . . .


    Ulyssus S Grant: White on disk


    None of which has much bearing on this discussion. I used to read five books a week -- another inconsequential tidbit

    I reread Brave New World and Stranger in a Strangeland

    i intend to include the Queens of Great Britain someday


    Sometimes I will a test straight through with hardly a break -- eating as I read --

    Sometimes, I barely get through ten pages when I have to set it aside and consider the contents . . .

    Hardly matters in the scheme of life. I don't read as much as I should. In fact, it's embarrassing to see the tests of shelves I have only but read the inside cover. I have stacks of journals I haven't cracked but a couple of academic articles. I can't even blame my accident five months ago - despite the brain injury -- I admit it --


    I could read far more than I do and should.

    And goodness me oh my nothing compares to the value of scripture and a practice in deep neglect --- said with no small amount of embarassment

    The prophet says: For more the knowledge -- all the more the grief (paraphrased)

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  62. how is it shifting when our hands are bloody and holding the weapons?

    you can 100% say the israelis are equally as guilty, but to absolve of our own responsibility. no fucking way. you are shifting, not I.

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    First you kill the ultimate enemy, who's 100% guilty. You should do it for your children, who are innocent. After that you can do whatever you want.
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  63. anarchyst says:

    The proposal to relocate the United States embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem should be handled this way:
    The United States embassy should be located on the “green line” (border) between East and West Jerusalem. The embassy building itself should be delineated as such: The portion of the building in East Jerusalem should be the United States embassy to Palestine; the portion of the building in West Jerusalem should be the United States embassy to Israel. Let the zionists chew on that one…Problem solved.

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    located on the “green line” (border) ... Problem solved
     
    With all due respect, nice try but no cigar.

    1) The 'green line' is no border. [see '49 armistice to a war caused by invading-by-stealth aliens],

    2) the illegitimate Z-entity can have no borders, and in fact claims none - all the better to keep stealing control over ever more land never to be legally, let alone morally theirs,

    3) then, see anonymous' projection above "the only thing that will restrain psychopathic Israel is force," then chain to the next Anonymous' "carefully pre-planned and final." rgds

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  64. @Mark Green
    This is good one. Thank you, Philip.

    The Deep State is deeply kosher. 'Neoconservatism' is Yiddish for 'supervising the goyim'. This is what the DC think tanks are for: ideological backup and narrative control.

    As with the Fourth Estate, the foundations generate cover for America's unsought transformation at home and unjustified bellicosity abroad. The think tanks churn out papers and provide the talking heads. They supply deep cred where the cred doesn't belong.

    And the winner is...

    Israel.

    Surprised?

    Inside Washington's notorious beltway a lot of evil shit is going on. And there's more being planned. Far more.

    Did somebody say 'evil empire'?

    We happen to be living in one right now.

    The sacred cow in this horror show is none other than that plucky, downtrodden and 'highly democratic' ethno-state whose name we shouldn't mention since it may constitute 'hate speech'.

    So let's all play it safe and and take a collective wild guess, shall we? (But don't tell!)

    The neocon establishment, with its ambitious underlings, ethnic operatives, mega-donors, celebrity cheerleaders and script supervisors never left Washington when Obama did (nor in other inter-connected halls of power) and they don't intend to now. Regime change is what happens in other countries. Not here.

    America has been conquered from within.

    But it's all Russia's fault!

    Here's our very own Philip Giraldi from a recent LIVE broadcast on RT:

    https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/412407-trump-israel-jerusalem-capital/

    “… Regime change is what happens in other countries. Not here.
    America has been conquered from within.”

    Mark,

    What a great comment!

    Frankly I do not know anything beyond that which you wrote.

    Thanks very much.

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  65. Alden says:
    @Jake
    "The less said about Tom the better, but I will attempt to summarize in 8 words here: Tom is completely owned by the Israel Lobby. In his 2014 election as junior Senator from Arkansas, he received $1 million from the Emergency Committee for Israel headed by Bill Kristol as well as additional assistance from the Republican Jewish Coalition."

    Cotton acts according to the proclivities, the prepossessions, the internal mandates of WASP Elite culture.

    Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy. Judaizing heresy always produces pro-Jewish politics and culture. The most archetypal WASP, Oliver Cromwell, allied with Jews precisely to fill his coffers with loans that would pay for ongoing WASP war to exterminate any independence, including any cultural independence, of non-WASP Christians. First those native to the British Isles, and then eying the world.

    From its very inception, the British Empire that would become the largest and wealthiest in world history was very much a pro-Jewish thing, in that Jews were its loan bankers and junior partners to the WASP war leaders and businessmen. And that alliance was always focused on stomping on virtually every other white Christian group with the intent of forcing cultural conversion to WASP.

    What people like Giraldi see as horror is also the natural, the inevitable, fruit of a nation grounded in the legacy of Puritans.

    There is no way to rid this nation of the threat, to almost all white Gentiles in the country as well as to almost the entire world, without removing WASP culture as the nation's mandarin.

    And that is the reason there is no relief, no matter who gets elected. WASP culture continues to be regnant.

    And people like John Derbyshire and Peter Brimelow, therefore, are doing the duty that those they they think they oppose want them to do.

    Oberlin College is the epitome of the John Knox version of puritanism. I don’t think it is as simple as you claim, but there is a lot of truth in what you say. The 1600′s Puritans outlawed Christmas just as the Jews want to do today. But today’s Puritans are in a quandary about Christmas as the Christmas Capitalist Consumer orgy is the only thing that keeps the retail sector afloat.

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  66. The “democracy” the neocons want to push is the one in which (((mass media))) successfully lobotomizes the electorate into thinking it has democracy. The zombies then make their way to the polls seeking “hope & change” but with no choice. Hegemony is the goal, not democracy.

    Trump may have been skeptical as a candidate about America’s role as policeman of the world, but the establishment knives are out and he might (correctly?) surmise that the only way to stay in office is to make the ziocons happy. Even Bill Kristol would see the error in never-Trumpism if bombs started falling on Iran.

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  67. @Anonymous
    Well, if the rumours about Cotton and Pompeo appointments materialise, Trump might as well move his own office to Jerusalem.

    Seems the US Treasury is already there.

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  68. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Z-man
    I can see your points on Trump but I'm still holding out hope. My spin is a la the Godfather, 'Keep your friends close and your enemies closer'. He has to protect his flanks, the entire spectrum of the tribe attacking him for 'this or that' while still keeping his core nationalist values, if he has any. I'm hoping he still does.
    One thing he has to do, no matter what, is get that weird son in law and 'converted' daughter out of the WH!

    I used to think like that 3-4 months ago. Alas, his enemies are so close now that their penises are messing with his vocal cords and digestion.

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  69. @Zumbuddi
    iirc Hitler himself killed Rohm

    The courage of the Knife AND the Blood.

    Not so!
    The SA leadership had conference meeting in hotel.
    During night SS came and killed them all except Rohm.
    They killed them with knives as not to cause public disturbance.
    Rohm was taken to prison cell where on the table was pistol with one bullet.
    He was told to kill himself.
    Rohm refused.
    SS guard started to shoot and they were shooting until Rohm did stop twitching.
    Number of bullets was never counted {thoughtless Germans) but there were many.
    (The night of the long knives.)
    (Rohm was Hitlers commander in war and in civil life was his handler.}

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    Trust but verify.

    What's your source?

    I read somewhere that Hitler's housekeeper said 88 (that's for iffen) returned from an activity, bathed, then told her, Now I feel clean.

    Never heard the bit about Rohm as Hitler's handler. I thought R ran Freikorps, part of whose duty was as Praetotian Guard; that it's functions became redundant but Rohm wanted more power. Freikorp was less disciplined than other groups, a Machiavellian decision was made, the outfit was eliminated.

    I could be wrong. It happened once before.

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  70. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II
    how is it shifting when our hands are bloody and holding the weapons?

    you can 100% say the israelis are equally as guilty, but to absolve of our own responsibility. no fucking way. you are shifting, not I.

    First you kill the ultimate enemy, who’s 100% guilty. You should do it for your children, who are innocent. After that you can do whatever you want.

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  71. DaveE says:
    @Jake
    "The less said about Tom the better, but I will attempt to summarize in 8 words here: Tom is completely owned by the Israel Lobby. In his 2014 election as junior Senator from Arkansas, he received $1 million from the Emergency Committee for Israel headed by Bill Kristol as well as additional assistance from the Republican Jewish Coalition."

    Cotton acts according to the proclivities, the prepossessions, the internal mandates of WASP Elite culture.

    Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy. Judaizing heresy always produces pro-Jewish politics and culture. The most archetypal WASP, Oliver Cromwell, allied with Jews precisely to fill his coffers with loans that would pay for ongoing WASP war to exterminate any independence, including any cultural independence, of non-WASP Christians. First those native to the British Isles, and then eying the world.

    From its very inception, the British Empire that would become the largest and wealthiest in world history was very much a pro-Jewish thing, in that Jews were its loan bankers and junior partners to the WASP war leaders and businessmen. And that alliance was always focused on stomping on virtually every other white Christian group with the intent of forcing cultural conversion to WASP.

    What people like Giraldi see as horror is also the natural, the inevitable, fruit of a nation grounded in the legacy of Puritans.

    There is no way to rid this nation of the threat, to almost all white Gentiles in the country as well as to almost the entire world, without removing WASP culture as the nation's mandarin.

    And that is the reason there is no relief, no matter who gets elected. WASP culture continues to be regnant.

    And people like John Derbyshire and Peter Brimelow, therefore, are doing the duty that those they they think they oppose want them to do.

    For the life of me, I can’t figure out exactly WHAT kind of troll you are, exactly.

    You generally appear as a Jewish troll, making the stupidest non-arguments to blame you favorite enemy, WASPS, the cultural descendants of Luther, the greatest “anti-Semite” TM since Christ himself, making the idiotic claim WASPs are manipulating the poor Jews rather than the other way around.

    Then, next minute, you appear as a stupid black of the BLM / Antifa crowd, simply obsessed with taking cheap shots at the WASP to massage your battered ego….. Occasionally, you even manage to play the victim pretty convincingly for the poor, persecuted white guy, always victim of the “WASP elite” but never the far more diabolical (and powerful) Jews…….

    Either way, take a hike. We see through you all the way to Jerusalem.

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    You have a right to agree or disagree or contest.
    You have no right to send anybody anywhere unless you are an editor.
    , @Zumbuddi
    Jake's not trollish, imo, just passionate about the piece of the puzxle that he seems to have researched.

    Everybody's contribution has value, even some genuine trolls.
    Do you think CIA gets info by hobnobbing with folks in nursing homes?
    , @Issac
    He reads like every "traditionalist" Catholic I've ever met.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Then, next minute, you appear as a stupid black of the BLM / Antifa crowd, simply obsessed with taking cheap shots at the WASP to massage your battered ego…..
     
    Sounds more like a Mick to me.

    Especially in the snarky reference to our own Hibernophobe, Derb.

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  72. Neocons are cattle with ring in their noses.
    To the ring is tied rope.
    The other end of rope is hold by Zionist- Globalists.

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  73. Bayan says:
    @peterAUS

    we can expect armed conflict with Iran within the next year,
     
    Well, if conflict is simply air assault on Iranian nuclear facilities that shouldn't be a problem for either party.
    Israelis/Americans bomb a bit and then everything goes back to normal. Something as that cruise missile launch on Syria.

    In a case of a serious effort though, say, attempt to "regime change" in Iran, well, it hinges on a projected (in)ability to keep Hormuz open I guess.
    If that is possible the next problem would be a resilience/strength of the regime itself (how fragile it really is; or not).

    As mentioned several times on this site before, it all depends on a pretext for the intervention.
    American public isn't as gullible as before; at the same time we can see the power of the system through Russiagate etc.

    Interesting times.

    In foreign policy, the American public is irrelevant gullible or not. Same for the British and many others. I think during the Iraq war majority of the British opposed the war, they were ignored.

    In terms of cost/benefit America/Israel should not attack Iran. But, America/Israel are too powerful, it is not clear they think in terms of cost/benefit. They may go to war for no reason at all.

    In any case Iran is stupid to get itself involved in the civil war of many of its neighbors.

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    In any case Iran is stupid to get itself involved in the civil war of many of its neighbors.
     
    And let former allies turn hostile neighbours... I wonder who is more stupid, the Iranians or You?
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  74. @peterAUS

    we can expect armed conflict with Iran within the next year,
     
    Well, if conflict is simply air assault on Iranian nuclear facilities that shouldn't be a problem for either party.
    Israelis/Americans bomb a bit and then everything goes back to normal. Something as that cruise missile launch on Syria.

    In a case of a serious effort though, say, attempt to "regime change" in Iran, well, it hinges on a projected (in)ability to keep Hormuz open I guess.
    If that is possible the next problem would be a resilience/strength of the regime itself (how fragile it really is; or not).

    As mentioned several times on this site before, it all depends on a pretext for the intervention.
    American public isn't as gullible as before; at the same time we can see the power of the system through Russiagate etc.

    Interesting times.

    You are not too informed, are you?
    Russians sold now quite a lot S3 antiaircraft batteries to Iran.
    And also Iranians have a lot of their own antiaircraft rockets.
    Not even quarter of planes would return from bombing raid.
    And also Iran has the capacity to shoot down cruise missiles.
    Any of this kind of action would provoke devastation action from Iran.
    All Saudi oil loading facilities are on the other side of see.
    Iran would easily put these on fire.
    The consequences are unimaginable.
    To stop Iran, US has no other option than all out invasion, or nuke them.
    And that is like you say “bridge too far”

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    Do the Izzies or USA have capability to electronically disable Iran's defenses or radars before an attack?
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  75. bjondo says:
    @Rurik

    replaced at CIA by Senator Tom Cotton.
     
    it was faint, and barely perceptible, but at some level, I did actually tremble when I read those words

    Cotton is the new John McCain

    the ultimate traitor to this nation and its people and all people of good will on the planet and every tenet of decency known to the universe

    a lickspittle to Sheldon Adelson and everything that repulsive toad represents

    if Cotton is exalted to head the CIA, I'll have to think very hard about leaving these shores

    perhaps Bobby Fischer was right, and the ZUSA is endemically, irredeemably evil.

    there can be no doubt that the zio-Fiend is the incarnation of evil itself, but I always keep hoping that the good people of the ZUS will repudiate the zio-Fiend- that has them waging serial wars all over the planet to benefit the Jews. As their infrastructure crumbles back home, and their veterans can't get health care, and the jobs are 'in' and outsourced to the third world.

    what will it take to wake up the bovine, cud-chewing sheople?!

    their children come home in body bags, or with their souls so eviscerated by the sheer evil of the wars they're forced to fight, that they often just 'snuff it' as the only escape from their nightmares. (and the realization that the ZUSA is a drooling fiend and that they've murdered innocent people and destroyed nations on its behalf)

    those young people can not abide the evil that the ZUS government has become, and their only salvation is to end their young lives.

    for those of us with more choices at hand, why can't we finally and simply repudiate the zio-scum who've done us and so many others so much harm?!

    NOT TOM COTTON!!!!!

    fuck no!

    relax
    tom cotton is going to the cia
    as a door stop

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  76. Joe Wong says:
    @peterAUS

    we can expect armed conflict with Iran within the next year,
     
    Well, if conflict is simply air assault on Iranian nuclear facilities that shouldn't be a problem for either party.
    Israelis/Americans bomb a bit and then everything goes back to normal. Something as that cruise missile launch on Syria.

    In a case of a serious effort though, say, attempt to "regime change" in Iran, well, it hinges on a projected (in)ability to keep Hormuz open I guess.
    If that is possible the next problem would be a resilience/strength of the regime itself (how fragile it really is; or not).

    As mentioned several times on this site before, it all depends on a pretext for the intervention.
    American public isn't as gullible as before; at the same time we can see the power of the system through Russiagate etc.

    Interesting times.

    American has an all volunteer armed forces (mercenary), they are paid to kill or be killed, their fates is only a few seconds on the screens if the MSM decided to air them, otherwise the wars and the American soldiers’ lives have nothing to do with the American public. Mayhem in far away land in out of sight and out of mind. Citing the American public gullibility is really a residual sentiment of old days cold war mentality and trying to attach some kind of morality to the wars the American has been fighting. American has long been demonstrated they are just as morally defunct imperialist as the British and their mentor, the Romans.

    The real issue is how to finance the war, as long as the war does not cause hyper inflation in the USA, the warmongers in the Washington beltway will go ahead with the war without much concern, with EU, Australia, Japan and S Korea in line paying the bills, the American should be able to wage another regime change war in the ME without much difficulty.

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    Well...how about this:

    If that war can bring a meaningful paid employment to the core Trump's base, that war will happen within Trump's term.

    I tried to get some response along that line here, but, nothing of substance so far.

    These articles will keep popping up, so, I'll keep popping up the question.
    In time............
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  77. @DaveE
    For the life of me, I can't figure out exactly WHAT kind of troll you are, exactly.

    You generally appear as a Jewish troll, making the stupidest non-arguments to blame you favorite enemy, WASPS, the cultural descendants of Luther, the greatest "anti-Semite" TM since Christ himself, making the idiotic claim WASPs are manipulating the poor Jews rather than the other way around.

    Then, next minute, you appear as a stupid black of the BLM / Antifa crowd, simply obsessed with taking cheap shots at the WASP to massage your battered ego..... Occasionally, you even manage to play the victim pretty convincingly for the poor, persecuted white guy, always victim of the "WASP elite" but never the far more diabolical (and powerful) Jews.......

    Either way, take a hike. We see through you all the way to Jerusalem.

    You have a right to agree or disagree or contest.
    You have no right to send anybody anywhere unless you are an editor.

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  78. Tom Cotton is not to be trusted.

    Many gave US Senator Tom Cotton credit for his offering a bill that would cut legal immigration in half and would significantly reduce illegal immigration. It is now clear that the immigration reduction ploy proffered by Tom Cotton was a sneaky way to mollify the White Core American voter base of President Trump.

    Tom Cotton is a stooge for Sheldon Adelson and the Neo-Conservatives. The Neo-Conservatives know they are highly vulnerable on the immigration issue and the national question. That is why they sent their puppet Tom Cotton out with instructions to bang the pot on reducing immigration.

    Recently, the Neo-Conservative-controlled, Murdoch-owned Wall Street Journal gave Tom Cotton a half page, above the fold puff piece where Tom Cotton is said to be offering a foreign policy fit for “Jacksonian America.” I think Tom Cotton must be referring to Michael Jackson or some other Jackson, and not General Andrew Jackson. Having some small portion of Scotch-Irish ancestry myself, and having ancestors who pioneered Tennessee, I don’t think General Andrew Jackson would support the Israel First foreign policy of Tom Cotton.

    IMMIGRATION and the NATIONAL QUESTION are the two things that will finally dislodge the nation-wrecking Neo-Conservatives and their politician puppets from the ruling class of the American Empire.

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  79. renfro says:
    @Sloopyjoe
    OT

    RE: http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/russiagate-becomes-israelgate/ Comment #607

    Mr. Unz and Mr. Giraldi,

    I was wondering if you two had come to any conclusion as to giving permission for the project below. Thanks.

    _________

    Hey guys, I see a problem and I have an idea for a solution.

    Analysis of Mr. Giraldi’s comment section

    I have noticed over the 10 months I’ve been posting on The UNZ Review and primarily on Mr. Giraldi’s articles, that there are many competent well-meaning researchers here who are trying to get the good info out and fight the good fight. I think most of us can agree that there is an undue and significant Israeli-Firster influence within the US host body. I have also noticed a few subversive mentally deficient trolls who seem to delight in triggering some of you into time-wasting keyboard battles. Ridicule/Ignore them. If you must reply, keep your responses short and to the point. You ain’t gonna change their minds. Forget the ego trip about getting the last word in and grow a thicker skin. These “Creatures” are a waste of your time and energy. Frankly, you will get better results and more enjoyment talking with your dog/cat. Instead of wasting time and energy on non-productive endeavors, how about putting that time and energy into something constructive/productive?

    First, I would like to ask Mr. Unz and Mr. Giraldi for permission for the use of their comment section to update the List Summaries. This exercise is by no means to be construed as a “Witch Hunt”. Nor do I wish this to become a hijacking of articles.

    The “Utu” Revelation and the “Who Controls the USA List Summaries” (comment #6)

    The drive-by lippy and wannabe Mr. Know-It-All gatekeeper, Utu, gave me an idea. In life, when one is dealt lemons, make lemonade. I believe many have found the List Summaries (LS) to be informative and possibly overwhelming in nature as to the degree of Jewish over-representation. Rather than be dismayed and cry about it, how about helping to update and fill in the blanks. This would be an open-sourced collective effort and documented with links. The incompetent/compromised bureaucrats and keystone cops of the USSA sure as hell don’t seem to care, so the job is left up to us.

    Here’s how it would work:
    1) Pick your LS section
    2) Use the LS as the framework.
    3) Fill in your LS section with:
    A) Full Names of each person with a (J) after the name if a Jew, (C) for Christian, (M) Muslim, etc.
    B) Pictures
    C) A brief Bio of each person.
    D) Use the same weighting method to find the proportion of Jews.

    Post publicly available documents to be reviewed by all who wish to participate in this exercise. The contents of the various LS and related methodology used can be changed by consensus agreement by those who wish to participate through a REAL democratic voting process. Future sections can be added later.

    I would also like to state that just because someone is a Jew, does not mean that they are being subversive towards the USA. This is simply a more in-depth survey and updating of a previous list summary that shows the potential over-representation of Jews in various positions.

    This is just an initial idea and I would like to hear the ideas of others, as well as, from Mr. Giraldi, who has worked in Counter-Intelligence.

    Anyone interested in becoming a Productive Pajamahadeen?

    Sign me up.

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    Thanks Renfro. Just waiting on the OK from Mr. Unz and Mr. Giraldi.

    Any other takers for this worthy cause?

    _______

    On topic

    Whose name is on the top of this list that relates to this article? Almost $1 million to buy a CIA head.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48403.htm
    https://lobelog.com/exclusive-emergency-committee-for-israel-spends-big-on-rep-tom-cotton/

    How much do top Jewish Non-Profit leaders make?
    https://forward.com/news/388240/how-much-do-top-jewish-non-profit-leaders-make/

    Gotta love those recycled USSA theft $s finding their way back to the domestic shores.
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  80. Z-man says:
    @Greg Bacon
    We see the same usual suspects time and again, waving their pom-poms lustily cheering on endless war that does NOT help or benefit the USA. In fact, it is destroying our nation economically, spiritually and politically.

    From an April 2003 Haaretz article:

    The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it's possible.

    This is a war of an elite. [Tom] Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/white-man-s-burden-1.14110
     
    Yet if you point out the obvious, that our foreign policy has been hijacked by an element whose first loyalty is to Israel, you will catch all sorts of hell, be banned from making comments on blogs and news sites, or like the brave Mr. Giraldi, lose your job. And be blasted with the worn-out canard of being an anti-Semite. Maybe even a Jew hater, all because you show concern for the nation you love and are loyal to.

    Will Americans ever realize they are being played for fools by a country and Zionist con artists which doesn't give a tinkers damn about us or will we keep jumping up and down to the pom-pom waving?

    Yet if you point out the obvious, that our foreign policy has been hijacked by an element whose first loyalty is to Israel, you will catch all sorts of hell, be banned from making comments on blogs and news sites, or like the brave Mr. Giraldi, lose your job. And be blasted with the worn-out canard of being an anti-Semite. Maybe even a Jew hater, all because you show concern for the nation you love and are loyal to.

    If you remember what happened to Rick Sanchez, the former talking head of NBC and CNN…when he was pushed into calling out the Jew in a ‘gotcha’ interview as he sarcastically replied that yeah Jews are underrepresented in the media. He was gone in ’60 seconds’!
    Whatever happened to Rick Sanchez??? LOL!!!

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  81. Veranon says:

    Re: At the time, I agreed, but I did note that the neoconservatives have proven to be remarkable resilient, particularly as many of them have remained true to their Democratic Party values on nearly everything but foreign policy, where they are irredeemable hawks, hostile to Russia and Iran and always reliably in the corner of Israel.
    ————-
    Of course. The Jewish Neocons and their “useful idiots,” whether “bought and paid for” or voluntarily enlisted, are necessarily “liberal” in relation to domestic policy because the idea is to destroy all Western and Christian norms and values by means of cultural marxist “critical theory.” And it’s working very well. The mass media and the educational system have hopelessly corrupted American and European minds with this profoundly subversive “intellectual” garbage.

    And when it comes to foreign policy, of course the Neocons are globalists, like the international bankers whom they serve. Israel first, because they are not there to defend their country’s interests, but to defend Israel’s, in accordance with the permanent goal of Eretz Ysrael and world hegemony in accordance with the ultimate goal of Jewish supremacy via the money power, and in preparation for their “messiah”. It’s all disguised as for the sake of American greatness and “our values.” The Neocons are nothing less than a parasitical foreign body which has us thinking in accordance with its interests; in fact they are mortal enemies, nothing less. The Western goyim–as well as innocent Jews here and in Israel itself–will be cheerfully sacrificed by the Zionists, who serve darker forces and interests than those of their people. Western humanity has been rendered helpless because they are intellectually helpless and because in consequence they have been dispossessed of deep faith and corresponding real virtues. This was noted years ago by Solzhenitsyn, among others. Ideas rule human beings for good or ill, since we are thinking beings. But when the ideas that determine us are profoundly wrong and when intellectual chaos and unbridled individualism reign, nothing real can be accomplished. However, in due time vincit omnia veritas–the Real has the last word. “Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.”

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  82. renfro says:

    hashtag#Tump is Israel First

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  83. peterAUS says:
    @Joe Wong
    American has an all volunteer armed forces (mercenary), they are paid to kill or be killed, their fates is only a few seconds on the screens if the MSM decided to air them, otherwise the wars and the American soldiers' lives have nothing to do with the American public. Mayhem in far away land in out of sight and out of mind. Citing the American public gullibility is really a residual sentiment of old days cold war mentality and trying to attach some kind of morality to the wars the American has been fighting. American has long been demonstrated they are just as morally defunct imperialist as the British and their mentor, the Romans.

    The real issue is how to finance the war, as long as the war does not cause hyper inflation in the USA, the warmongers in the Washington beltway will go ahead with the war without much concern, with EU, Australia, Japan and S Korea in line paying the bills, the American should be able to wage another regime change war in the ME without much difficulty.

    Well…how about this:

    If that war can bring a meaningful paid employment to the core Trump’s base, that war will happen within Trump’s term.

    I tried to get some response along that line here, but, nothing of substance so far.

    These articles will keep popping up, so, I’ll keep popping up the question.
    In time…………

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    Some of us think that killing other people's children for fun and profit, and lying to obscure that agenda, do not reflect the highest and best aspects of civilization.
    , @Rurik

    If that war can bring a meaningful paid employment to the core Trump’s base, that war will happen within Trump’s term.
     
    Trump (and Obama and Dubya and Nixon and JFK and Woodrow and FDR...) were all elected as a repudiation of evil wars for the profit and amusement of evil men.

    I suppose there are some souls so lost that they'd go along with war for reasons of personal gain, but I suspect they're equally represented in both the party of Tweedle Dee and Dumb, that make of the ZUS political system.

    The American people do not want these wars. That is obvious, and why the (((media))) is so frenzied with Hollywood movies and relentless lies to cajole us all into hating the evil Muslim 'terrorists' whose nations and people we've been dropping bombs on and destroying like they were some kind of threat to the ZUSA.

    Trump's base are not blood-thirsty goons and soulless murderers. What they are is lied to, relentlessly, 24/7, 365. And even then the American people rose up against bombing Syria, all the lies notwithstanding, and said NO!

    One of the major reasons the conservative, Christians and Republicans voted for Trump in the primaries, were because the alternatives were all neocon stooges, and that meant more and more wars, and more Gitmo, and more torture and more sniveling, abject fealty to Israel in all things.

    We said No' to all that. Trump was supposed to be different. America first, (for the first time in my life). Rather than Israel first and second and third...

    Now that Trump is acting all neocon, (in direct opposition to his base!), it simply looks like the deepstate simply is too powerful to ignore.

    I don't believe that Trump is ideologically committed to Zionism in all things, but that for him to function in Washington, DC, it's simply necessary to accept the realities.

    ((They)) control our money supply. And that means they control our media, our universities and our courts and have insinuated themselves over our police departments and even, (as I've just been pointing out) our churches.

    There are realities on the ground that simply can not be ignored, and that is why Trump is moving the embassy and other abominations to decency.

    But if he appoints Tom Cotton to head the CIA, then that will absolutely be a bridge too far for me.

    That will mean that all bets are off, and that he's gone full blown neocon.

    Which will mean that he has decided to tell his base to 'fuck off, eat shit and die', and now it's Trump vs. the people who put him in office. IMHO
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  84. Talha says:
    @anonymous

    Somehow the jackals need to be restrained.
     
    It's not that difficult to strategize HOW to go about "restraining the jackals."
    99 44/100% of what ziocons accuse others of is projection.
    They say, "They [_____ Iran, ISIS, Palestinians, Russians - fill in the blank] understand only force."

    This projects that the only thing that will restrain psychopathic Israel is force.

    When an Iranian nuclear engineer was assassinated in Tehran, Ronen Bergman told Brian Williams that "Israel has used assassination more than any other state; not even Stalin or Hitler used assassination as much as Israel. . . ."

    http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/__NEW/x_30_rc_bergman_120208.blocks_desktop_large.jpg

    Assassination wielded as 'a weapon' - Video on NBCNews.com

    Video for ronen bergman brian williams▶
    www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982
    Feb 8, 2012
    Video on NBCNews.com: Israel has long used assassination against its enemies, “hoping that by taking out ... https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=ronen+bergman+brian+williams&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982
    [looks like NBC has pulled the video ]
     
    Bergman continued: "In Israel they call Ahmadinejad Hitler. I don't agree, but anytime you say someone is Hitler, that means they are an enemy to my people, and you not only have the moral right, you have the moral duty to take them out."

    Bergman added, "We Jews have used assassination to change history."

    In America First terms, those who pose a threat to the American people are "Hitler" and Americans have the moral right and duty to take them out, in order to reform our history, to reclaim our history.


    What we need to do is draw up a list of Jewish "Hitlers, " and summon the guts to systematically take them out.



    ACCEPTING nominees for Israeli and Israel-firster Hitlers -- people who pose a threat to the American people:

    Bibi gets pride of place.
    Ehud Barak, right up there
    The Kagan clan and the Kristol network have betrayed the USA in multiple ways. They deserve a fair trial before they are summarily hung in the presence of their children.
    Whole list of Israel firster journos vying for the Julius Streicher slot

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  85. skrik says:
    @anarchyst
    The proposal to relocate the United States embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem should be handled this way:
    The United States embassy should be located on the "green line" (border) between East and West Jerusalem. The embassy building itself should be delineated as such: The portion of the building in East Jerusalem should be the United States embassy to Palestine; the portion of the building in West Jerusalem should be the United States embassy to Israel. Let the zionists chew on that one...Problem solved.

    located on the “green line” (border) … Problem solved

    With all due respect, nice try but no cigar.

    1) The ‘green line’ is no border. [see '49 armistice to a war caused by invading-by-stealth aliens],

    2) the illegitimate Z-entity can have no borders, and in fact claims none – all the better to keep stealing control over ever more land never to be legally, let alone morally theirs,

    3) then, see anonymous‘ projection above “the only thing that will restrain psychopathic Israel is force,” then chain to the next Anonymous’ “carefully pre-planned and final.” rgds

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    I agree with you in principle. However, our ZOG-run government would not accede to what is morally right. Placing the embassy straddling on the "green line" would be "like poking the jews in the eye with a sharp stick"...
    Regards,
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  86. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    You are not too informed, are you?
    Russians sold now quite a lot S3 antiaircraft batteries to Iran.
    And also Iranians have a lot of their own antiaircraft rockets.
    Not even quarter of planes would return from bombing raid.
    And also Iran has the capacity to shoot down cruise missiles.
    Any of this kind of action would provoke devastation action from Iran.
    All Saudi oil loading facilities are on the other side of see.
    Iran would easily put these on fire.
    The consequences are unimaginable.
    To stop Iran, US has no other option than all out invasion, or nuke them.
    And that is like you say "bridge too far"

    Do the Izzies or USA have capability to electronically disable Iran’s defenses or radars before an attack?

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    I do not think so. It is difficult or impossible to find frequencies on which the guiding commands are sent.
    , @FB

    '...Do the Izzies or USA have capability to electronically disable Iran’s defenses or radars before an attack?...'
     
    In a word...not very likely...

    Disrupting modern air defenses means jamming the air defense radars...and then knocking them out with missiles that target radio emitters [radars]...this is a losing proposition due to the reasons of physics...

    Ie...suppression of enemy air defense [SEAD] is aviation-based...that is to say aircraft attacking air defense systems carry specialized jamming pods which use radar transmitters to attempt to disrupt the much larger and more powerful ground radars...

    If they are able to jam those radars then fighter aircraft can get close enough [without being shot down first by the longer range air defense missiles] to shoot special missiles at the air defense radars...these are called HARMs...ie high-speed anti-radiation missiles...

    The problem is that US technology in this area has not changed in decades...the AN/ALQ-99 jamming pod is carried by Navy and Marine Corps Grumman EA6B 'Prowler' aircraft...as well as Navy EA18G 'Growler' which are electronic attack version of the FA18...

    https://turnnburn.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/img_3685.jpg

    That's a picture of one under the wing of the EA6B...another one is carried under the other wing...the EA18B only carries one centerline-mounted pod...

    That little propeller on the front of the pod is a 'ram air turbine' which supplies electrical power to small radar antennas inside the pod...which send the jamming signals...

    https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/an-alq-99-jamitf1.gif

    This cutaway illustration shows the small antennas inside...they are about 8 inch diameter...

    The power of any radar is the product of its electrical power and its aperture size [ie antenna dish size or electronic array size if a phased array system]...

    The maximum power of the AN/ALQ99 is only 6.8 kilowatts...the antennas as mentioned are tiny...so the total power is not very big...

    This stuff was designed to work against pretty primitive radar technology from the 1950s...

    Against modern phased array radars...think of an Aegis SPY1 radar on the US guided missile cruisers and destroyers...these are like little bugs...they can't do anything...

    Russian air defense radars that come with S300/400 systems use radars of the Aegis class mounted on big trucks...they have their own big diesel engine generators that can put out hundreds of kilowatts...here is a size comparison of the Russian 64N6E phased array antenna and an Aegis Spy 1...

    http://www.ausairpower.net/PVO-S/64N6-vs-SPY-1-A.jpg

    The truck-mounted 64N6E which comes with the S300 air defense system is actually bigger by 30 percent...


    '...This system operates in the 2 GHz band and is a phased array with a 30% larger aperture than the US Navy SPY-1 Aegis radar, even accounting for its slightly larger wavelength it amounts to a mobile land based Aegis class package. It has no direct equivalent in the West...'
     
    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Acquisition-GCI.html#mozTocId420074

    Those little jamming pods clearly have no chance against something like this...not only that but those modern air defense radars being phased array means the antenna is electronically steered...not physically like on a conventional radar antenna...

    Phased array also means they can incorporate robust counter-electronic countermeasure [CECM]...such as rapid frequency hopping and other tricks which prevent jammers from locking onto their radar frequency at any given moment...they are even designed to home in on airborne jammers like the AN/ALQ99...making them the target...

    The Harm missiles...AGM88... carried by various fighter types such as F15, F16, FA18 etc...have a maximum range of only about 90 miles...and that's if launched at high speed and altitude...typically a Harm aircraft will come in low [to avoid the enemy radar] and slow [fighters cannot fly very fast down low due to the thick air] so its range might be as little as 10 to 20 miles...

    Meanwhile...the opposing air defense systems have missiles with a range of up to 250 miles for the S400...

    Again it is a mismatch...the simple reason being that an aircraft cannot carry huge equipment...because it must fly...

    Big trucks carrying missiles and radars have no such limitations...

    http://2k8r3p1401as2e1q7k14dguu-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/MPFig5.jpg

    The Iranians have apparently several S300 battalions...each battalion consisting of eight launchers [TELARS for transporter erector launcher]...plus five or six truck-mounted radars...

    https://www.neweurope.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Russia-Turkey-Tension1.jpg

    Being mobile their location is not known by attacking forces in advance...and they can 'shoot and scoot' in five minutes flat...

    The Russians aren't dumb...the US has been beating up on countries with little to no air defenses [or aging and badly run equipment as in the first Iraq war...]...and they have come up with a very effective way to counter an attack by aviation...

    Thus the buzzword anti-access / area denial [A2/AD]...

    This inability to penetrate these denial zones is widely acknowledged in Nato technical/military circles...recently it is becoming public knowledge as well...

    USAF Gen. Phillip Breedlove [former Eurocom commander] recently acknowledged this...


    '...Right now, we’re almost completely dependent on air forces and aviation assets in order to attack the A2/AD problem...

    ...We need more long-range, survivable, precision strike capability from the ground...We need dense capability—like the dense A2/AD networks that we face...'
     

    The US has not developed A2/AD capability of its own...assuming I guess that they are always going to be on the offensive and never on defense...

    '...Do we create our own anti-access/area-denial capability?...That is a big decision...'

     

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-one-way-russia-could-beat-nato-war-23169

    Certainly Iran is not going to be a pushover if attacked from the air...its going to inflict a lot of losses...the loss of US prestige from having a dozen aircraft shot down would be very damaging...

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  87. edNels says:
    @Mark James
    I'm really concerned an attack on Iran is a correct assessment Philip. They are not a threat to the US and while I think we will be in a support capacity -with Israel obviously-- to a bunker buster attack it will be regarded as US backed war throughout the Islamic world. Trump may be too weak to resist Netanyahu's best sales pitch.

    Tillerson will be gone sooner or later.
    No question, perhaps the week between Christmas and New Year?

    Cotton and Pompeo
    Pompeo may have problems with the Mueller probe. Cotton has a number of rumors in his past and maybe they are just unfortunate talk? But I don't see him at CIA (we shall see?)

    The Neocons are turning up at MSNBC of late. In addition to Podhoretz, Brooks, Kristol, we are now seeing E.Johnson, B.Stephens, D.Pletka on the scene as regular rotation players. No doubt where they will be leading. Moving in where opportunities abound for some reason? At least two (Halperin, Ford) aren't around anymore on Coffee Joe.

    There’s this one and that one, who were presented to be authentic fresh… not neo’s and so on. But then they were co-opted pretty good, and over ridden, sidelined etc. Including Trump, who’s main feature is Tap DAnce and mime… maybe he could sing too, ”Sore like an Eagle,” and make Ashcrofter roll his eyes!

    So, my question is What’s the difference who is casted in the part, when a chorus line of Rasputin lookalike shapeshifting Pupettmasters is stealing the show from off center stage left…? And why would it behove anybody to change the billing 0f all these venerable stooges that allow that so good?

    Tillerson is a presentable face, (who else come to mind now…?) Pence, mostly a good insurance policy for T. Sessions, plays a damned good mascot. I’ll have to study it more, can’t think of anybody, oh… Haley, (worse than Semantha, not much.)

    Neocons all lined up like evil drones, like worker ants, all suited up tirelessly pestering the nest. And don’t let any crumbs drop where they can find it. That’s it, these are subhumans, Untermensch, maybe the best they can be called is constructive destroyers.

    But seriously, why do they all have that same look, (stick figure, nondescript [Eddie Munster, or Turtle man, excepted] I couldn’t pick Cotton from Scott Walker and a hundred other p-woods out of a lineup. hyahya

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  88. North Korea’s survival strategy is “If you invade us, we will blow up South Korea and maybe even Tokyo.” Ruled by a vile regime but with rational concern for survival, even if it has no moral right to survive. But then, what is the other option? South Korea is a puppet state of US globalist empire. If NK was ruled by wiser people, its case would be made more intelligently. It would tell the world community that it needs for defense given US record in the Middle East and North Africa. But it’s ruled by some egotistical brat-boy whose idea of culture is Dennis Rodman and Rap trash-talking.

    As different as NK and Jewish Power, they have one thing in common:
    WGYG or We Go, You Go. The idea is that if they are destroyed, they will take others with them.

    Jewish Power pulled this off in 2008. When Lehman Brothers wasn’t bailed out by the government, Wall Street pushed a ‘too big to fail’ scheme and threatened Total Collapse of the Economy UNLESS it was showered with super-generous bailouts… that would eventually come to enrich the banks during a severe recession for most Americans.
    Bush couldn’t do anything about it except go along. Obama bailed out Wall Street. And McCain would have done the same had he won. Jewish Wall Street power held a gun to the head of the entire US economy and said ‘Give us money, OR we will take ALL OF YOU down with us.’

    The system is rigged so that a major collapse of Jewish Power will trigger total collapse of the entire system. It’s been wired that way. The whole tower will collapse. So, if anyone tries to cut the wire of Jewish Power, kaboom, the whole thing blows up, and everyone dies. Gentiles must carry Jewish Power like a crate of nitroglycerin. One false step and Kaboom.

    Even Israel has a similar mindset. Though Israel’s reasons for nukes involve those hostile Muslim nations, there is also the threat that IF Israel were to fall, it will take down Europe along with it. So, unless Europe does everything possible to prop up Israel, it could very well be blown up when Israel faces doom. In other words, Israel will not go down alone. It will take the world down with it. Even if Europeans are not the ones to destroy Israel, they will be targeted for destruction IF Israel were to face collapse.

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/destroycaps.html

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    India and Pakistan have nukes. How would they respond to an Israeli Sampson Option?

    How about China? An Izzie attack on European capitals could destroy a lot of Chinese investment. China has sufficient nuclear capability to detach Israel from the Mediterranean littoral and create an irradiated submerged island.

    Does van Crevald think Putin will sit on his hands and wait a thousand years for the dust to clear?

    van Crevald says Israel can hit Rome. That's zionism's wet dream, to completely obliterate Rome.
    How many Jews live a parasitical life in Rome and other European capitals?

    Can Izzies reach USA? Didn't think so. What do they think would happen to hundreds of Jewish institutions, and Jewish people, in USA if Israel destroys Europe -- again?
    , @utu
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FPmlJUiVfU
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  89. MarkinLA says:
    @Z-man
    Of course I hope you're wrong Phil. While Pompeo would be ...not good, Tillerson has been a big disappointment with his latest statements on Crimea and Ukraine included. Cotton would be another matter altogether and even though there is a 'collegial spirit' in the Senate I would hope that Rand Paul and other senators with common sense would squash this guys nomination. Even if he has to carry himself back from Kentucky, broken ribs and all, to squash this Neocon stooge Cotton. Also, I'm hopping there are some boys in the closet when it comes to Cotton. lol

    Yes, and add his “Russia interfered in our election” crap while Trump calls it fake news to the disappointment.

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  90. JackOH says:

    Phil, thanks.

    “Tom [Cotton] is completely owned by the Israeli lobby.”

    ” . . . [Nikki] Haley is stupid. And ambitious. And is also owned by the Israeli lobby . . .”.

    My knowledge of foreign policy is headline-quality only. My knowledge of some domestic policy is pretty good. I’ve been on the public stump in my area. The reality of American policy, as I’ve seen it, is that it’s bought and paid for. There is no “public interest”, no “national interest”. I’m not even sure there’s an America, in the sense of a people joined by some common values. Sometimes I think of America as an agglomeration of rackets. You’re goddamned right I don’t like thinking this way.

    There are only insider players who bankroll and blackmail their way into getting the decisions they want. I wish I could say something high-minded, but I can’t.

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  91. chris says:
    @Mark Green
    This is good one. Thank you, Philip.

    The Deep State is deeply kosher. 'Neoconservatism' is Yiddish for 'supervising the goyim'. This is what the DC think tanks are for: ideological backup and narrative control.

    As with the Fourth Estate, the foundations generate cover for America's unsought transformation at home and unjustified bellicosity abroad. The think tanks churn out papers and provide the talking heads. They supply deep cred where the cred doesn't belong.

    And the winner is...

    Israel.

    Surprised?

    Inside Washington's notorious beltway a lot of evil shit is going on. And there's more being planned. Far more.

    Did somebody say 'evil empire'?

    We happen to be living in one right now.

    The sacred cow in this horror show is none other than that plucky, downtrodden and 'highly democratic' ethno-state whose name we shouldn't mention since it may constitute 'hate speech'.

    So let's all play it safe and and take a collective wild guess, shall we? (But don't tell!)

    The neocon establishment, with its ambitious underlings, ethnic operatives, mega-donors, celebrity cheerleaders and script supervisors never left Washington when Obama did (nor in other inter-connected halls of power) and they don't intend to now. Regime change is what happens in other countries. Not here.

    America has been conquered from within.

    But it's all Russia's fault!

    Here's our very own Philip Giraldi from a recent LIVE broadcast on RT:

    https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/412407-trump-israel-jerusalem-capital/

    Excellent link Mark, thanks!

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  92. Zumbuddi says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Not so!
    The SA leadership had conference meeting in hotel.
    During night SS came and killed them all except Rohm.
    They killed them with knives as not to cause public disturbance.
    Rohm was taken to prison cell where on the table was pistol with one bullet.
    He was told to kill himself.
    Rohm refused.
    SS guard started to shoot and they were shooting until Rohm did stop twitching.
    Number of bullets was never counted {thoughtless Germans) but there were many.
    (The night of the long knives.)
    (Rohm was Hitlers commander in war and in civil life was his handler.}

    Trust but verify.

    What’s your source?

    I read somewhere that Hitler’s housekeeper said 88 (that’s for iffen) returned from an activity, bathed, then told her, Now I feel clean.

    Never heard the bit about Rohm as Hitler’s handler. I thought R ran Freikorps, part of whose duty was as Praetotian Guard; that it’s functions became redundant but Rohm wanted more power. Freikorp was less disciplined than other groups, a Machiavellian decision was made, the outfit was eliminated.

    I could be wrong. It happened once before.

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    And that's the only time a government has eliminated threats.

    www.codoh.com
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    I do not have a time for you to explain things about you do not have a clue.
    Although there is one line in your comment that is true.
    Quick timeline.
    German army returned from front.
    They smashed the communist revolution and eliminated communist government.
    High command of the army decided that actions of myriad of different parties must be monitored.
    Rohm (Actully the name is R then o with two points on top and m) sent Hitler (actually his name was at that time still Hidlerchuk) to check out a small party of name National Socialist German worker party.
    Hitler did sign in as 47th member.
    Through oratory skills Hitler become more and more famous spoke to larger and larger crowd.
    And so he was attacked. His follower created armed guards and Hitler named the commander of this guards Rohm.
    Long time after Hitler become Chancellor of Germany.
    Army's general staff demanded that Rohm and his army of SA was dissolved.
    Rohm refused.
    The next followed what I have written.


    This is very simplified writing but I could not do otherwise.
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  93. pyrrhus says:
    @Astuteobservor II
    I can't wait to see if they would be stupid enough to attack Iran :) Nk is completely out of the question unless the orange hair can somehow convince the chinese to stand down from a military ally.

    it would blow up spectacularly in their faces.

    there are no more safe countries to invade so to speak. iran is back up by both china and russia. NK is untouchable because of china.

    I am 100% sure yemen will become hell on earth in 2018. that is now 5 countries usa has destroyed in 17 years. we are evil fucks.

    Absolutely right. If Trump attacks Iran, he will not be re-elected and will doubtless suffer a demoralizing defeat. We will be lucky if there is a next election, since WW3 would probably preclude such niceties.

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  94. Zumbuddi says:
    @DaveE
    For the life of me, I can't figure out exactly WHAT kind of troll you are, exactly.

    You generally appear as a Jewish troll, making the stupidest non-arguments to blame you favorite enemy, WASPS, the cultural descendants of Luther, the greatest "anti-Semite" TM since Christ himself, making the idiotic claim WASPs are manipulating the poor Jews rather than the other way around.

    Then, next minute, you appear as a stupid black of the BLM / Antifa crowd, simply obsessed with taking cheap shots at the WASP to massage your battered ego..... Occasionally, you even manage to play the victim pretty convincingly for the poor, persecuted white guy, always victim of the "WASP elite" but never the far more diabolical (and powerful) Jews.......

    Either way, take a hike. We see through you all the way to Jerusalem.

    Jake’s not trollish, imo, just passionate about the piece of the puzxle that he seems to have researched.

    Everybody’s contribution has value, even some genuine trolls.
    Do you think CIA gets info by hobnobbing with folks in nursing homes?

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    Jake's definitely right about Oliver Cromwell though. And the ousting of James 2 by William and Mary was connived by the Amsterdam bankers who set up the not English Bank of Britain a year after the Amsterdam bankers installed William and Mary.

    The Church of England was very traditional and kept the christian part of the bible and many traditional christian practices such as acknowledging Mary the Mother of God, Christmas, Easter, Whitsun, Michelmas and numerous other traditional holy days.

    But the puritans were definitely wanna be Jews. They hated Mary because she was a woman. They dumped the christian part of the bible in favor of the jewish part of the bible with all its sex, war, genocide and violence. They banned the christian holy days. They even discussed banning rabbits, pork, oysters, clams and other trief foods. But since the poor and average people ate rabbits, pork oysters and clams because they were cheap, they didn't go so far.

    And Calvin and Knox loudly proclaimed, "there is but one God and that is the God of Israel" The puritans denied Jesus is God and claiming that Jesus is God is the essence of Christianity.

    But it was 500 to 400 years ago.
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  95. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8bRSt5SK5E

    Thanks.

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    No problem - though no guarantee how long that will be up on youtube. I am very shocked they are so open about this stuff. Imagine someone from say Morocco, Egypt or Russia saying the same. Incredible!

    Peace.
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  96. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor
    North Korea's survival strategy is "If you invade us, we will blow up South Korea and maybe even Tokyo." Ruled by a vile regime but with rational concern for survival, even if it has no moral right to survive. But then, what is the other option? South Korea is a puppet state of US globalist empire. If NK was ruled by wiser people, its case would be made more intelligently. It would tell the world community that it needs for defense given US record in the Middle East and North Africa. But it's ruled by some egotistical brat-boy whose idea of culture is Dennis Rodman and Rap trash-talking.

    As different as NK and Jewish Power, they have one thing in common:
    WGYG or We Go, You Go. The idea is that if they are destroyed, they will take others with them.

    Jewish Power pulled this off in 2008. When Lehman Brothers wasn't bailed out by the government, Wall Street pushed a 'too big to fail' scheme and threatened Total Collapse of the Economy UNLESS it was showered with super-generous bailouts... that would eventually come to enrich the banks during a severe recession for most Americans.
    Bush couldn't do anything about it except go along. Obama bailed out Wall Street. And McCain would have done the same had he won. Jewish Wall Street power held a gun to the head of the entire US economy and said 'Give us money, OR we will take ALL OF YOU down with us.'

    The system is rigged so that a major collapse of Jewish Power will trigger total collapse of the entire system. It's been wired that way. The whole tower will collapse. So, if anyone tries to cut the wire of Jewish Power, kaboom, the whole thing blows up, and everyone dies. Gentiles must carry Jewish Power like a crate of nitroglycerin. One false step and Kaboom.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIfubrDZnQ0

    Even Israel has a similar mindset. Though Israel's reasons for nukes involve those hostile Muslim nations, there is also the threat that IF Israel were to fall, it will take down Europe along with it. So, unless Europe does everything possible to prop up Israel, it could very well be blown up when Israel faces doom. In other words, Israel will not go down alone. It will take the world down with it. Even if Europeans are not the ones to destroy Israel, they will be targeted for destruction IF Israel were to face collapse.

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/destroycaps.html

    India and Pakistan have nukes. How would they respond to an Israeli Sampson Option?

    How about China? An Izzie attack on European capitals could destroy a lot of Chinese investment. China has sufficient nuclear capability to detach Israel from the Mediterranean littoral and create an irradiated submerged island.

    Does van Crevald think Putin will sit on his hands and wait a thousand years for the dust to clear?

    van Crevald says Israel can hit Rome. That’s zionism’s wet dream, to completely obliterate Rome.
    How many Jews live a parasitical life in Rome and other European capitals?

    Can Izzies reach USA? Didn’t think so. What do they think would happen to hundreds of Jewish institutions, and Jewish people, in USA if Israel destroys Europe — again?

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  97. Talha says:
    @anonymous
    Thanks.

    No problem – though no guarantee how long that will be up on youtube. I am very shocked they are so open about this stuff. Imagine someone from say Morocco, Egypt or Russia saying the same. Incredible!

    Peace.

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  98. Wally says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    we are evil fucks
     
    The Jews are evil fucks and that statement represents one of their greatest achievements. The US goyim will be blamed for everything - and they'll pay for it all with their blood and coin.

    That's why the Jews are willing to risk it.

    “Jews” are “White” when they’ve done something bad.

    Yet when they’ve done something good, they’re “Jews” …. and not “Whites”.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  99. Wally says:
    @Zumbuddi
    iirc Hitler himself killed Rohm

    The courage of the Knife AND the Blood.

    Wrong again, he did not kill Rohm.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  100. Issac says:
    @DaveE
    For the life of me, I can't figure out exactly WHAT kind of troll you are, exactly.

    You generally appear as a Jewish troll, making the stupidest non-arguments to blame you favorite enemy, WASPS, the cultural descendants of Luther, the greatest "anti-Semite" TM since Christ himself, making the idiotic claim WASPs are manipulating the poor Jews rather than the other way around.

    Then, next minute, you appear as a stupid black of the BLM / Antifa crowd, simply obsessed with taking cheap shots at the WASP to massage your battered ego..... Occasionally, you even manage to play the victim pretty convincingly for the poor, persecuted white guy, always victim of the "WASP elite" but never the far more diabolical (and powerful) Jews.......

    Either way, take a hike. We see through you all the way to Jerusalem.

    He reads like every “traditionalist” Catholic I’ve ever met.

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    Jake seems to be stuck with the conflict that started 500 years ago. But when he writes wasp he really means 400 year old puritanism. I also think he's talking about how the Scots and Irish Catholics were treated by the English, not American wasps.

    I don't like there term wasp. It's actually a pejorative invented by jews in the 1940's or so. Everybody else had a nasty name, dago, polack, kraut square head, dirty mick, paddy, hillbilly, White trash, linthead.* But there wasn't a nasty name for middle and upper class British descended protestants.

    So the Jews made up the name wasp. Wasps (the insects) are nasty things and the jews wanted to make the founders and the people who started the Ivy League colleges sound mean and dangerous.

    *Linthead is a term for a person who works in a textile mill and has fabric fluff all over him or her.
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  101. Rurik says:

    http://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/russian-sale-of-anti-missile-system-to-turkey-a-dagger-in-the-heart-of-nato

    heh heh

    too funny

    Turkey is in NATO to protect itself from (nonexistent) Russian aggression

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  102. Wally says: • Website
    @anonymous

    So far the President has proved much smarter than most people expected him to be
     
    Exactamundo, Ben Frank (any relation to Anne, Princess of the Ballpoint Pen?).

    Naming Jerusalem the capital of Israel was fucking brilliant.

    Don't you worry your pretty little head about all the US forces in the multiple bases in the region that are accessible to mad-as-hornets Muslims; Israel will have their backs, fer shur.

    ---

    Come to think of it, maybe Trump can burnish his "much smarter-ness" by taking a page out of Reagan's playbook: Immediately after the first US soldier is plinked by an Angry Arab, Trump should pull ALL US FORCES out of the region: do a Reagan-post-Black Hawk down.

    If the Israelis want to stir the pot, let them stand over the steam-heat and wield the spoon. We're outa there.

    said:
    “Exactamundo, Ben Frank (any relation to Anne, Princess of the Ballpoint Pen?).”

    See the FOUR very different handwritings in ‘Anne Frank’s’ fraudulent & laughable diary:

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p-97_Faurisson.html

    [MORE]


    Sample 1: 29 April 1940:
    Anne was almost 11. Source: New York Times, 22 July 1988, p. A1.


    Sample 2: 30 July 1941:
    Anne was a little more than 12. Source: De Dagboeken van Anne Frank, Amsterdam; RIOD, 1986, p. 126.


    Sample 3: 12 June 1942:
    Anne was exactly 13. Source: Journal de Anne Frank, Calmann-Levy, 1950.


    Sample 4: 10 Oct 1942:
    Anne was a little more than 13. Source: Journal de Anne Frank, Livre de Poche, 1975.

    Much more here:

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10854&p=81362&hilit=anne+frank+handwriting#p81362

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  103. Wally says:
    @Zumbuddi
    Trust but verify.

    What's your source?

    I read somewhere that Hitler's housekeeper said 88 (that's for iffen) returned from an activity, bathed, then told her, Now I feel clean.

    Never heard the bit about Rohm as Hitler's handler. I thought R ran Freikorps, part of whose duty was as Praetotian Guard; that it's functions became redundant but Rohm wanted more power. Freikorp was less disciplined than other groups, a Machiavellian decision was made, the outfit was eliminated.

    I could be wrong. It happened once before.

    And that’s the only time a government has eliminated threats.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  104. FB says:

    People need to let go of the idea that Dump is anything but a conman…and a weak one at that…

    The office of President holds a lot of authority that Dump has not been able [or willing] to wield…that speaks to his own weakness as a leader…

    It’s time to admit that he is not the messiah that many Lunchpail Joes wanted to believe…

    As to the specifics of this article…yes…I agree with Mr. Giraldi that the neocons are back in the driver’s seat…if they ever left in the first place…

    Exhibit One is Jared Kushner…the Clown Prince of the Shite House…

    This is the guy who has inflicted most of the damage on Dump…starting with his advice to dump Flynn…

    Dump was under zero pressure to do any such thing…the neocon Pence is the one who demanded Flynn’s head…

    Dump could have pushed back…there was nothing wrong with Flynn…the incoming National Security Adviser speaking to the Russians or anyone else…and what he spoke of with the Russians was in lobbying THEM in the US interest…not the other way round…

    Dump’s second big mistake was firing Comey…again on the advice of Kushner…

    …which got the Mueller ball rolling…

    Some have rightly drawn the parallels of Kushner whispering in Dump’s ear to the same role of Kissinger vis a vis Nixon’s downfall…

    Then Kushner appeared to connive with his buddy KSA Clown Prince MBS to engineer the Hariri fiasco…[which Tillerson managed to ">deftly undo...]

    ‘…Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who was accompanying the president during his Asia tour at the time of the Saudi-engineered initiative, was “completely blindsided” by the move, as several senior Middle East diplomats confirmed to TAC.

    While Tillerson would later be accused of being “totally disengaged” from the crisis, several former and current U.S. diplomats have told us that just precisely the opposite was the case…’

    ‘…The unlikely hero in all of this might well be Rex Tillerson, who quietly engineered a U.S. policy at odds with the views of Donald Trump—and his son-in-law. The exact details of how Tillerson pulled this off remain unknown (“I think Tillerson just told Trump what he was going to do,” the senior diplomat with whom we spoke speculates, “and then just did it.”)…’

    So that’s the backstory right there about why the neocons are agitating for Tillerson’s ouster…

    I have to strongly disagree with Mr. Giraldi’s characterization of Tillerson as…

    ‘…a somewhat bumbling businessman adept at dealing in energy futures contracts who has been struggling with reducing State’s enormously bloated payroll…’

    That is a useless statement on many levels…Tillerson deftly managed what is arguably America’s most important corporation in what is surely the most strategic and geopolitical global industry…energy…

    The global oil trade is 14 trillion dollars even at today’s prices…and the petrodollar is the underpinning of the entire US system…a free ride for printing free money because every nation has to buy US dollars to buy or sell oil…

    In 1971…

    ‘…I was informed at a White House meeting that U.S. diplomats had let Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries know that they could charge as much as they wanted for their oil, but that the United States would treat it as an act of war not to keep their oil proceeds in U.S. dollar assets…’

    Writes economist Michael Hudson” from personal recollection of the many meetings he had at the WH…

    This whole saga surrounding Dump’s readiness to tie the can to Tillerson is proof positive…if any more were needed…that conman Dump has been a fake from the beginning…

    If the neocons are ascendant and back in the driver’s seat…it is no one’s fault but the Dumpster…

    He has cast his lot with Kushner who appears to be the neocons’ Trojan Horse…

    There can be no more sympathy or understanding anymore for Dump…

    If we recall his campaign rhetoric of ‘draining the swamp’ and rebuilding America’s failing infrastructure…improving relations with Russia…all good things…

    …we must also recall that he has been vehemently anti-Iran from the get-go…

    One has to ask why…?

    Iran is a completely Israeli-owned issue…Iran has nothing to do with the interests of the US…other than to benefit leading US industries like aircraft manufacturing…which were immediately rewarded with a $100 billion order of Boeing aircraft…in the aftermath of the Obama nuclear deal…

    That vehement anti-Iran attitude even on the campaign trail should have been a red flag to everyone…

    Even Hellary would have been better in that regard…and as for the Russia ‘issue’…what could Hellary or the US to do Russia anyway…?

    Militarily nothing…even in Syria the US military would certainly not go for an open war against Russia…neither would the regional players hosting US bases which would need to be on board for such an adventure…

    same goes for the breakaway region of eastern Ukraine…

    Germany and France are anyway moving closer to Russia, which has de facto established itself as an energy distribution superpower for the continent…and for China…

    The big picture is that the petrodollar and the free ride for US prosperity is living on borrowed time…China is the world’s biggest energy importer and is not going to support the petrodollar forever…

    Already an alternative financial architecture is being built and the BRICS countries now outpace the combined GDP of the G7…so the writing is on the wall…

    Dump has shown himself to be a conman first…and an incredibly weak president…he deserves no sympathy or support…

    The neocons are of course insane…they are picking fights with Iran, Venezuela and others who are going to be the first to ditch the petrodollar…and accelerate the tipping point to the new global financial order that is going to impoverish the US overnight…

    the same neocons are also the ones who are undermining US demographics…because their Ponzi scheme economy is based on perpetual growth…which, in turn, requires perpetual population growth…which means more immigration…

    Also the immigration keeps the wages low…which is just extra gravy for the Plutocracy…

    The US will be a white-minority country by 2050…much of the Southwest already is…

    None of that is going to change…when the party is over and the Titanic sinks…the handful of necons and Plutocrats will have their lifeboats ready…

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    Sorry...my link to the Kushner role in the Hariri circus...and Tillerson's save...did not come through...here it is

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/kushner-kept-tillerson-in-the-dark-on-saudi-lebanon-move/
    , @chris
    Very good points !

    I agree with everything except that there would have been no difference if Hillary had won. No one should underestimate the damage Victoria Nuland and other embedded nutcases would have been capable of unleashing against Russia from the War Department. Ok maybe there's a small improvement that their acolytes are now doing it from the CIA, which is lifting a very important curtain on the workings of the deep state.

    However, the current utter disarray in US society would not have occurred so dramatically and clearly, had Hillary won, even with her incredible knack for slipping on her own droppings.

    Not to say that I'm in favor of this disarray, but only in the exposure of its perpetrators.

    , @Z-man
    Your total hatred for Trump is disturbing. He's still better than Satan i.e., SHillary. But he needs to jettison, as you said and I alter for comedic effect, 'The Kikan Horse', the weird son in law and his Christ denying daughter. He needs to purge more Neocons and also established Republitards who are screwing the 'Tax Bill' by making it a typical GOP tax break for the rich crap. Will he do it? Give him another year...ok 10 months. (Grin)
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  105. FB says:
    @FB
    People need to let go of the idea that Dump is anything but a conman...and a weak one at that...

    The office of President holds a lot of authority that Dump has not been able [or willing] to wield...that speaks to his own weakness as a leader...

    It's time to admit that he is not the messiah that many Lunchpail Joes wanted to believe...

    As to the specifics of this article...yes...I agree with Mr. Giraldi that the neocons are back in the driver's seat...if they ever left in the first place...

    Exhibit One is Jared Kushner...the Clown Prince of the Shite House...

    This is the guy who has inflicted most of the damage on Dump...starting with his advice to dump Flynn...

    Dump was under zero pressure to do any such thing...the neocon Pence is the one who demanded Flynn's head...

    Dump could have pushed back...there was nothing wrong with Flynn...the incoming National Security Adviser speaking to the Russians or anyone else...and what he spoke of with the Russians was in lobbying THEM in the US interest...not the other way round...

    Dump's second big mistake was firing Comey...again on the advice of Kushner...

    ...which got the Mueller ball rolling...

    Some have rightly drawn the parallels of Kushner whispering in Dump's ear to the same role of Kissinger vis a vis Nixon's downfall...

    Then Kushner appeared to connive with his buddy KSA Clown Prince MBS to engineer the Hariri fiasco...[which Tillerson managed to ">deftly undo...]


    '...Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who was accompanying the president during his Asia tour at the time of the Saudi-engineered initiative, was “completely blindsided” by the move, as several senior Middle East diplomats confirmed to TAC.

    While Tillerson would later be accused of being “totally disengaged” from the crisis, several former and current U.S. diplomats have told us that just precisely the opposite was the case...'
     

    '...The unlikely hero in all of this might well be Rex Tillerson, who quietly engineered a U.S. policy at odds with the views of Donald Trump—and his son-in-law. The exact details of how Tillerson pulled this off remain unknown (“I think Tillerson just told Trump what he was going to do,” the senior diplomat with whom we spoke speculates, “and then just did it.”)...'
     
    So that's the backstory right there about why the neocons are agitating for Tillerson's ouster...

    I have to strongly disagree with Mr. Giraldi's characterization of Tillerson as...

    '...a somewhat bumbling businessman adept at dealing in energy futures contracts who has been struggling with reducing State’s enormously bloated payroll...'
     
    That is a useless statement on many levels...Tillerson deftly managed what is arguably America's most important corporation in what is surely the most strategic and geopolitical global industry...energy...

    The global oil trade is 14 trillion dollars even at today's prices...and the petrodollar is the underpinning of the entire US system...a free ride for printing free money because every nation has to buy US dollars to buy or sell oil...

    In 1971...

    '...I was informed at a White House meeting that U.S. diplomats had let Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries know that they could charge as much as they wanted for their oil, but that the United States would treat it as an act of war not to keep their oil proceeds in U.S. dollar assets...'
     
    ...Writes economist Michael Hudson" from personal recollection of the many meetings he had at the WH...

    This whole saga surrounding Dump's readiness to tie the can to Tillerson is proof positive...if any more were needed...that conman Dump has been a fake from the beginning...

    If the neocons are ascendant and back in the driver's seat...it is no one's fault but the Dumpster...

    He has cast his lot with Kushner who appears to be the neocons' Trojan Horse...

    There can be no more sympathy or understanding anymore for Dump...

    If we recall his campaign rhetoric of 'draining the swamp' and rebuilding America's failing infrastructure...improving relations with Russia...all good things...

    ...we must also recall that he has been vehemently anti-Iran from the get-go...

    One has to ask why...?

    Iran is a completely Israeli-owned issue...Iran has nothing to do with the interests of the US...other than to benefit leading US industries like aircraft manufacturing...which were immediately rewarded with a $100 billion order of Boeing aircraft...in the aftermath of the Obama nuclear deal...

    That vehement anti-Iran attitude even on the campaign trail should have been a red flag to everyone...

    Even Hellary would have been better in that regard...and as for the Russia 'issue'...what could Hellary or the US to do Russia anyway...?

    Militarily nothing...even in Syria the US military would certainly not go for an open war against Russia...neither would the regional players hosting US bases which would need to be on board for such an adventure...

    same goes for the breakaway region of eastern Ukraine...

    Germany and France are anyway moving closer to Russia, which has de facto established itself as an energy distribution superpower for the continent...and for China...

    The big picture is that the petrodollar and the free ride for US prosperity is living on borrowed time...China is the world's biggest energy importer and is not going to support the petrodollar forever...

    Already an alternative financial architecture is being built and the BRICS countries now outpace the combined GDP of the G7...so the writing is on the wall...

    Dump has shown himself to be a conman first...and an incredibly weak president...he deserves no sympathy or support...

    The neocons are of course insane...they are picking fights with Iran, Venezuela and others who are going to be the first to ditch the petrodollar...and accelerate the tipping point to the new global financial order that is going to impoverish the US overnight...

    the same neocons are also the ones who are undermining US demographics...because their Ponzi scheme economy is based on perpetual growth...which, in turn, requires perpetual population growth...which means more immigration...

    Also the immigration keeps the wages low...which is just extra gravy for the Plutocracy...

    The US will be a white-minority country by 2050...much of the Southwest already is...

    None of that is going to change...when the party is over and the Titanic sinks...the handful of necons and Plutocrats will have their lifeboats ready...

    Sorry…my link to the Kushner role in the Hariri circus…and Tillerson’s save…did not come through…here it is

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/kushner-kept-tillerson-in-the-dark-on-saudi-lebanon-move/

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    ‘…I was informed at a White House meeting that U.S. diplomats had let Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries know that they could charge as much as they wanted for their oil, but that the United States would treat it as an act of war not to keep their oil proceeds in U.S. dollar assets…
     
    No doubt that US Dollar Reserve Status (strong dollar) is essential to fund the massive US deficits and there are plenty of organizations that want to keep it that way:

    Chinese - for years have operated a Mercantilist policy (recycling dollar trade surpluses into dollar bonds) to lower the renminbi/dollar exchange rate and support/protect their export industries. OK, they are concerned about the risk of their investments in US bonds, but they're still the biggest holders (along with the Japanese who have the same problem).

    US Government
    - welcomes the perpetual Asian funding of their deficits allowing them to "kick the can down the road" and avoid the politically dangerous structural issues of cutting services or raising taxes.

    US Companies - are happy with record profits as they move US manufacturing jobs to low cost Asian countries. They obviously want their production to stay cheap in dollar terms which means supporting Chinese dollar recycling and the general idea of free trade/free capital flows.

    US Public - has come to expect "Every Day Low Prices" based on Asian sourcing and this seems be part of an unwritten bargain in return for "Every Day Low Interest Rates" on their savings (if they have any) and generally low taxation (at least by European standards).

    Wall St & the Neocons - use the newly created FED $ Trillions for speculation/share buy backs and ME wars (with the debt loaded onto US taxpayers). The FED helpfully creates the ZIRP environment to make it all possible.

    However, as you say, there are limits.

    For example, US academic, Dani Rodrik, shows that the World isn't really so Flat, and that that countries are at different points in the development cycle (and have differing needs). US corporations go to China in search of a reliable source of long term cheap labour (equals higher profits), whereas the Chinese view export industries as a source of technological skill development, higher employment (than importers) and a route to industrial development (i.e. they plan to learn and compete with the US higher up the value chain, which they are successfully doing).

    For example in Industrial Robotics:


    To get there, China has a two-pronged strategy. President Xi Jinping’s government wants local industrial robotics makers like E-Deodar Robot Equipment Co., Anhui Efort Intelligent Equipment Co., and Siasun Robot & Automation Co. to take on foreign players including Japan’s Fanuc Corp. or California-based Adept Technology Inc. for leadership in the $11 billion market. Chinese corporate demand is expected to power double-digit demand for factory bots, according to Gudrun Litzenberger, General Secretary of the International Federation of Robotics. In 2016, China installed 90,000 new robots. That’s one-third of the world total and 30 percent more than the year before.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-24/resistance-is-futile-china-s-conquest-plan-for-robot-industry
     

    On past performance, the Chinese may well be able to get this market, since they're so involved in large scale manufacturing, and military power is ultimately dependent on economic power.
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  106. chris says:
    @peterAUS

    we can expect armed conflict with Iran within the next year,
     
    Well, if conflict is simply air assault on Iranian nuclear facilities that shouldn't be a problem for either party.
    Israelis/Americans bomb a bit and then everything goes back to normal. Something as that cruise missile launch on Syria.

    In a case of a serious effort though, say, attempt to "regime change" in Iran, well, it hinges on a projected (in)ability to keep Hormuz open I guess.
    If that is possible the next problem would be a resilience/strength of the regime itself (how fragile it really is; or not).

    As mentioned several times on this site before, it all depends on a pretext for the intervention.
    American public isn't as gullible as before; at the same time we can see the power of the system through Russiagate etc.

    Interesting times.

    I agree with your point, Peter.

    I’ve argued the same thing myself, Trump, as per his MO will do a half-assed bombing of the already cemented nuclear reactors and call it a victory, satisfying no one but himself.

    Anything more than that runs the risk of turning really bloody, and after more than a decade of constant warfare without a single tangible victory, neither he nor anyone else, I think, can pull the necessary popular support to see the thing (criminal war) through. To say nothing of the risk of loosing an aircraft carrier or to trigger the meltdown of the world economy, in which case, the rug would be pulled from not just his feet but through him, from those of the empire itself.

    I also agree that underneath all that propaganda, there’s been an ever growing up-swell of resistance to the warfare state, as demonstrated by the fact that the last 3 presidents ran as peace candidates always beating the warfare candidate (OK, maybe Gore can possibly be excepted as being a warfare candidate)!

    Never mind that none of the winners turned out to be very peaceful but they all ran on that issue, including W. who was claiming to have no intention of undertaking nation-building. The success of the Trump election victory is, in (not just) my opinion, in no small measure due to his anti-war rhetoric which is definitely beginning to resonate in the heartland – one can only hope!

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    Well....I guess we are sort of with a similar view here.

    I'll reiterate mine:
    If.....if.....the Deep State has a projection (they believe in) that the war with Iran would deliver to the core Trump base what they want (meaningful employment) they'll go for it.
    All the rest in USA wouldn't object to that war, or at least not in a meaningful way.

    In essence create meaningful jobs in manufacturing, infrastructure etc. What the Trump base wants.

    Say, they are able to sell "the effort will create jobs and fix infrastructure" to that part of US electorate.
    Of course they won't call it war, but that's besides the point.

    But, they (powers that be) have to believe in that.
    That's the area I don't understand much so I'll keep out of it.
    At the same time I'd like to see some numbers, projections and such instead of "that's WRONG" and similar feel-good bullshit.

    Randal, several times on this site, explained quite well how a proper pretext for war can be manufactured and used.

    On a pure "technical" level, again, it boils down to keeping Hormuz open while hammering Iran from air/sea. Etc.
    A couple of scenarios there and they do include the rest of the world (not important) and Russia and China (important).

    The REAL problem, actually, isn't feasibility of that effort I am afraid. Other motives/"reasons" are here, not just economic/geopolitical calculations etc. I mean, not much reasoning.
    The really dangerous area is ideology, religion, even psychology of all players here. Including US public (American exceptionalism etc.).

    So...interesting times.
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  107. @Astuteobservor II
    I can't wait to see if they would be stupid enough to attack Iran :) Nk is completely out of the question unless the orange hair can somehow convince the chinese to stand down from a military ally.

    it would blow up spectacularly in their faces.

    there are no more safe countries to invade so to speak. iran is back up by both china and russia. NK is untouchable because of china.

    I am 100% sure yemen will become hell on earth in 2018. that is now 5 countries usa has destroyed in 17 years. we are evil fucks.

    Well, you and I are not evil f—- in that important respect. But we’ll certainly be the ones suffering from the blowback, whether in the form of terrorist revenge here by imported Muslims or actual missiles from Iran, Russia, or China. God help us.

    Do the neocons think that their money or influence will protect them and their families from nuclear fallout? Or from the mass disorder and violence that could follow after some country gets tired of our aggression and hits us with an electromagnetic pulse?

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  108. @Anonymous
    Well, if the rumours about Cotton and Pompeo appointments materialise, Trump might as well move his own office to Jerusalem.

    I’m sure he already owns a property or two in Fort Lauderdale.

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  109. @Mark Green
    This is good one. Thank you, Philip.

    The Deep State is deeply kosher. 'Neoconservatism' is Yiddish for 'supervising the goyim'. This is what the DC think tanks are for: ideological backup and narrative control.

    As with the Fourth Estate, the foundations generate cover for America's unsought transformation at home and unjustified bellicosity abroad. The think tanks churn out papers and provide the talking heads. They supply deep cred where the cred doesn't belong.

    And the winner is...

    Israel.

    Surprised?

    Inside Washington's notorious beltway a lot of evil shit is going on. And there's more being planned. Far more.

    Did somebody say 'evil empire'?

    We happen to be living in one right now.

    The sacred cow in this horror show is none other than that plucky, downtrodden and 'highly democratic' ethno-state whose name we shouldn't mention since it may constitute 'hate speech'.

    So let's all play it safe and and take a collective wild guess, shall we? (But don't tell!)

    The neocon establishment, with its ambitious underlings, ethnic operatives, mega-donors, celebrity cheerleaders and script supervisors never left Washington when Obama did (nor in other inter-connected halls of power) and they don't intend to now. Regime change is what happens in other countries. Not here.

    America has been conquered from within.

    But it's all Russia's fault!

    Here's our very own Philip Giraldi from a recent LIVE broadcast on RT:

    https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/412407-trump-israel-jerusalem-capital/

    Speaking of Russia, how about everyone on here ditch the google and msn and yahoo accounts and sign up with Yandex email instead. Similarly, ditch the Deep State search engines and use yandex for that too.

    And vacation in Russia if you can afford it. We’re going to. Hey, we’re already on the NSA watch list just for posting on this site, what the heck.

    Of course, it would be JUST a little bit uncomfortable to get stuck in Russia if the US gov happens to launch an attack on Iran — and, God forbid, on Russian forces in Syria — while you’re there seeing the sights!

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  110. @Z-man
    Of course I hope you're wrong Phil. While Pompeo would be ...not good, Tillerson has been a big disappointment with his latest statements on Crimea and Ukraine included. Cotton would be another matter altogether and even though there is a 'collegial spirit' in the Senate I would hope that Rand Paul and other senators with common sense would squash this guys nomination. Even if he has to carry himself back from Kentucky, broken ribs and all, to squash this Neocon stooge Cotton. Also, I'm hopping there are some boys in the closet when it comes to Cotton. lol

    I am afraid that Rand may be a case of the apple falling too far from the tree. We’ll see.

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    Yeah maybe as he gets older and recuperates from his broken ribs he'll grow a bigger set and be get closer to his father's views.
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  111. peterAUS says:
    @chris
    I agree with your point, Peter.

    I've argued the same thing myself, Trump, as per his MO will do a half-assed bombing of the already cemented nuclear reactors and call it a victory, satisfying no one but himself.

    Anything more than that runs the risk of turning really bloody, and after more than a decade of constant warfare without a single tangible victory, neither he nor anyone else, I think, can pull the necessary popular support to see the thing (criminal war) through. To say nothing of the risk of loosing an aircraft carrier or to trigger the meltdown of the world economy, in which case, the rug would be pulled from not just his feet but through him, from those of the empire itself.

    I also agree that underneath all that propaganda, there's been an ever growing up-swell of resistance to the warfare state, as demonstrated by the fact that the last 3 presidents ran as peace candidates always beating the warfare candidate (OK, maybe Gore can possibly be excepted as being a warfare candidate)!

    Never mind that none of the winners turned out to be very peaceful but they all ran on that issue, including W. who was claiming to have no intention of undertaking nation-building. The success of the Trump election victory is, in (not just) my opinion, in no small measure due to his anti-war rhetoric which is definitely beginning to resonate in the heartland - one can only hope!

    Well….I guess we are sort of with a similar view here.

    I’ll reiterate mine:
    If…..if…..the Deep State has a projection (they believe in) that the war with Iran would deliver to the core Trump base what they want (meaningful employment) they’ll go for it.
    All the rest in USA wouldn’t object to that war, or at least not in a meaningful way.

    In essence create meaningful jobs in manufacturing, infrastructure etc. What the Trump base wants.

    Say, they are able to sell “the effort will create jobs and fix infrastructure” to that part of US electorate.
    Of course they won’t call it war, but that’s besides the point.

    But, they (powers that be) have to believe in that.
    That’s the area I don’t understand much so I’ll keep out of it.
    At the same time I’d like to see some numbers, projections and such instead of “that’s WRONG” and similar feel-good bullshit.

    Randal, several times on this site, explained quite well how a proper pretext for war can be manufactured and used.

    On a pure “technical” level, again, it boils down to keeping Hormuz open while hammering Iran from air/sea. Etc.
    A couple of scenarios there and they do include the rest of the world (not important) and Russia and China (important).

    The REAL problem, actually, isn’t feasibility of that effort I am afraid. Other motives/”reasons” are here, not just economic/geopolitical calculations etc. I mean, not much reasoning.
    The really dangerous area is ideology, religion, even psychology of all players here. Including US public (American exceptionalism etc.).

    So…interesting times.

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    Peter "I love War(from a distance)" Aus keeps pushing his BS;

    If…..if…..the Deep State has a projection (they believe in) that the war with Iran would deliver to the core Trump base what they want (meaningful employment) they’ll go for it.
    All the rest in USA wouldn’t object to that war, or at least not in a meaningful way.

    In essence create meaningful jobs in manufacturing, infrastructure etc. What the Trump base wants.
     
    Economists DESTROY the Myth that War Is Good for the Economy
    Posted on June 11, 2016 by WashingtonsBlog
    Debunking the Stubborn Myth that War Is Good for the Economy

    Nobel-prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz agrees that war is bad for the economy:

    Stiglitz wrote in 2003:

    War is widely thought to be linked to economic good times. The second world war is often said to have brought the world out of depression, and war has since enhanced its reputation as a spur to economic growth. Some even suggest that capitalism needs wars, that without them, recession would always lurk on the horizon. Today, we know that this is nonsense. The 1990s boom showed that peace is economically far better than war. The Gulf war of 1991 demonstrated that wars can actually be bad for an economy.

    Stiglitz has also said that this decade’s Iraq war has been very bad for the economy.[...]

    Economist Robert Higgs makes the same point about World War II:

    Yes, officially measured GDP soared during the war. Examination of that increased output shows, however, that it consisted entirely of military goods and services. Real civilian consumption and private investment both fell after 1941, and they did not recover fully until 1946. The privately owned capital stock actually shrank during the war. Some prosperity.[...]
     
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/06/top-experts-war-bad-economy.html
    http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=442
    https://www.amazon.com/Depression-War-Cold-Challenging-Independent/dp/1598130293/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1508439496&sr=8-3&keywords=Robert+Higgs
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  112. chris says:
    @FB
    People need to let go of the idea that Dump is anything but a conman...and a weak one at that...

    The office of President holds a lot of authority that Dump has not been able [or willing] to wield...that speaks to his own weakness as a leader...

    It's time to admit that he is not the messiah that many Lunchpail Joes wanted to believe...

    As to the specifics of this article...yes...I agree with Mr. Giraldi that the neocons are back in the driver's seat...if they ever left in the first place...

    Exhibit One is Jared Kushner...the Clown Prince of the Shite House...

    This is the guy who has inflicted most of the damage on Dump...starting with his advice to dump Flynn...

    Dump was under zero pressure to do any such thing...the neocon Pence is the one who demanded Flynn's head...

    Dump could have pushed back...there was nothing wrong with Flynn...the incoming National Security Adviser speaking to the Russians or anyone else...and what he spoke of with the Russians was in lobbying THEM in the US interest...not the other way round...

    Dump's second big mistake was firing Comey...again on the advice of Kushner...

    ...which got the Mueller ball rolling...

    Some have rightly drawn the parallels of Kushner whispering in Dump's ear to the same role of Kissinger vis a vis Nixon's downfall...

    Then Kushner appeared to connive with his buddy KSA Clown Prince MBS to engineer the Hariri fiasco...[which Tillerson managed to ">deftly undo...]


    '...Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who was accompanying the president during his Asia tour at the time of the Saudi-engineered initiative, was “completely blindsided” by the move, as several senior Middle East diplomats confirmed to TAC.

    While Tillerson would later be accused of being “totally disengaged” from the crisis, several former and current U.S. diplomats have told us that just precisely the opposite was the case...'
     

    '...The unlikely hero in all of this might well be Rex Tillerson, who quietly engineered a U.S. policy at odds with the views of Donald Trump—and his son-in-law. The exact details of how Tillerson pulled this off remain unknown (“I think Tillerson just told Trump what he was going to do,” the senior diplomat with whom we spoke speculates, “and then just did it.”)...'
     
    So that's the backstory right there about why the neocons are agitating for Tillerson's ouster...

    I have to strongly disagree with Mr. Giraldi's characterization of Tillerson as...

    '...a somewhat bumbling businessman adept at dealing in energy futures contracts who has been struggling with reducing State’s enormously bloated payroll...'
     
    That is a useless statement on many levels...Tillerson deftly managed what is arguably America's most important corporation in what is surely the most strategic and geopolitical global industry...energy...

    The global oil trade is 14 trillion dollars even at today's prices...and the petrodollar is the underpinning of the entire US system...a free ride for printing free money because every nation has to buy US dollars to buy or sell oil...

    In 1971...

    '...I was informed at a White House meeting that U.S. diplomats had let Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries know that they could charge as much as they wanted for their oil, but that the United States would treat it as an act of war not to keep their oil proceeds in U.S. dollar assets...'
     
    ...Writes economist Michael Hudson" from personal recollection of the many meetings he had at the WH...

    This whole saga surrounding Dump's readiness to tie the can to Tillerson is proof positive...if any more were needed...that conman Dump has been a fake from the beginning...

    If the neocons are ascendant and back in the driver's seat...it is no one's fault but the Dumpster...

    He has cast his lot with Kushner who appears to be the neocons' Trojan Horse...

    There can be no more sympathy or understanding anymore for Dump...

    If we recall his campaign rhetoric of 'draining the swamp' and rebuilding America's failing infrastructure...improving relations with Russia...all good things...

    ...we must also recall that he has been vehemently anti-Iran from the get-go...

    One has to ask why...?

    Iran is a completely Israeli-owned issue...Iran has nothing to do with the interests of the US...other than to benefit leading US industries like aircraft manufacturing...which were immediately rewarded with a $100 billion order of Boeing aircraft...in the aftermath of the Obama nuclear deal...

    That vehement anti-Iran attitude even on the campaign trail should have been a red flag to everyone...

    Even Hellary would have been better in that regard...and as for the Russia 'issue'...what could Hellary or the US to do Russia anyway...?

    Militarily nothing...even in Syria the US military would certainly not go for an open war against Russia...neither would the regional players hosting US bases which would need to be on board for such an adventure...

    same goes for the breakaway region of eastern Ukraine...

    Germany and France are anyway moving closer to Russia, which has de facto established itself as an energy distribution superpower for the continent...and for China...

    The big picture is that the petrodollar and the free ride for US prosperity is living on borrowed time...China is the world's biggest energy importer and is not going to support the petrodollar forever...

    Already an alternative financial architecture is being built and the BRICS countries now outpace the combined GDP of the G7...so the writing is on the wall...

    Dump has shown himself to be a conman first...and an incredibly weak president...he deserves no sympathy or support...

    The neocons are of course insane...they are picking fights with Iran, Venezuela and others who are going to be the first to ditch the petrodollar...and accelerate the tipping point to the new global financial order that is going to impoverish the US overnight...

    the same neocons are also the ones who are undermining US demographics...because their Ponzi scheme economy is based on perpetual growth...which, in turn, requires perpetual population growth...which means more immigration...

    Also the immigration keeps the wages low...which is just extra gravy for the Plutocracy...

    The US will be a white-minority country by 2050...much of the Southwest already is...

    None of that is going to change...when the party is over and the Titanic sinks...the handful of necons and Plutocrats will have their lifeboats ready...

    Very good points !

    I agree with everything except that there would have been no difference if Hillary had won. No one should underestimate the damage Victoria Nuland and other embedded nutcases would have been capable of unleashing against Russia from the War Department. Ok maybe there’s a small improvement that their acolytes are now doing it from the CIA, which is lifting a very important curtain on the workings of the deep state.

    However, the current utter disarray in US society would not have occurred so dramatically and clearly, had Hillary won, even with her incredible knack for slipping on her own droppings.

    Not to say that I’m in favor of this disarray, but only in the exposure of its perpetrators.

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  113. utu says:
    @Priss Factor
    North Korea's survival strategy is "If you invade us, we will blow up South Korea and maybe even Tokyo." Ruled by a vile regime but with rational concern for survival, even if it has no moral right to survive. But then, what is the other option? South Korea is a puppet state of US globalist empire. If NK was ruled by wiser people, its case would be made more intelligently. It would tell the world community that it needs for defense given US record in the Middle East and North Africa. But it's ruled by some egotistical brat-boy whose idea of culture is Dennis Rodman and Rap trash-talking.

    As different as NK and Jewish Power, they have one thing in common:
    WGYG or We Go, You Go. The idea is that if they are destroyed, they will take others with them.

    Jewish Power pulled this off in 2008. When Lehman Brothers wasn't bailed out by the government, Wall Street pushed a 'too big to fail' scheme and threatened Total Collapse of the Economy UNLESS it was showered with super-generous bailouts... that would eventually come to enrich the banks during a severe recession for most Americans.
    Bush couldn't do anything about it except go along. Obama bailed out Wall Street. And McCain would have done the same had he won. Jewish Wall Street power held a gun to the head of the entire US economy and said 'Give us money, OR we will take ALL OF YOU down with us.'

    The system is rigged so that a major collapse of Jewish Power will trigger total collapse of the entire system. It's been wired that way. The whole tower will collapse. So, if anyone tries to cut the wire of Jewish Power, kaboom, the whole thing blows up, and everyone dies. Gentiles must carry Jewish Power like a crate of nitroglycerin. One false step and Kaboom.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIfubrDZnQ0

    Even Israel has a similar mindset. Though Israel's reasons for nukes involve those hostile Muslim nations, there is also the threat that IF Israel were to fall, it will take down Europe along with it. So, unless Europe does everything possible to prop up Israel, it could very well be blown up when Israel faces doom. In other words, Israel will not go down alone. It will take the world down with it. Even if Europeans are not the ones to destroy Israel, they will be targeted for destruction IF Israel were to face collapse.

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/destroycaps.html

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    Very good, utu! I thought I was the only person around any more who remembered the original 1953 film. The remake (1977), Sorcerer, is also excellent, but the timing of the explosion sequence is really perfect in the old b+w Wages of Fear.
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  114. P.G.’s “Bad Moon Rising” and Clear Water Credence does 1918 all over again.

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  115. “Multiple sources are predicting Tillerson out and Mike Pompeo in State Department with Pompeo replaced at CIA by Senator Tom Cotton. The White House is the story, calling it “fake news,” but it is clear that Trump is uncomfortable with the current arrangement and Tillerson will be gone sooner or later.” — Giraldi

    My assumption has been that Tillerson’s role has been to assure maximum political-financial pressure on NordStream pipeline, and, to line up the ducks for the Great Showdown with Iran . I believe that Nordstream is still operating and there doesn’t seem to be any likelihood of it being shut down, and no plan in place to replace Russian with North American energy (natural gas) as foundation of German economy. Remember, just a year or two back, such talk was huge … it was the very heart of the Neocons’ new Cold War on Russia …. but now that narrative has collapsed.

    I suspect that ZOG neocons have found that it’s impossible — even with their alliance with MBS of Arabia — to control ‘Big Oil, or even to control Tillerson or even to threaten/assassinate him. So, I suspect that Secretary Tillerson has refused to acquiesce in planned full-spectrum war on Iran. His allies in Big Oil are asking him, what about these huge contracts to supply the energy for Germany from North America? He doesn’t like Iran, and he mistrusts Russia and Germany … but then he thinks about the Straights of Hormuz and all that uncertainty, huge uncertainty …so, “Rex, are you with us or against us?”… and it’s not his kind of game.

    But what do I know? I just think that there are limits to everything, including Zionist power. So the Zionists control the petrodollar (or do they?) but do they control the global petro-system? Of course, all this hardly means that Tillerson will (or could) mount effective opposition to war with Iran … he will just want to have insider information on it so as to protect himself and his (WASPish?) allies. Could the Ziocons be overplaying their hand?

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    '...I suspect that Secretary Tillerson has refused to acquiesce in planned full-spectrum war on Iran...'
     
    Agree...

    I think it's a mistake to underestimate Rexxon Man...and I include in that these noises about his imminent ouster...let's wait and see...

    Through my lens, Rex is the only grownup in the room...and he's got to have some backing from the powers that be...

    Hell it can't be that everyone has lost their minds...even among the plutocracy and back-room power brokers there's got to be some serious people...Putin can't be the only sane man on Earth...I suspect the military shot-callers are in his corner too...

    Just now he has come out swinging on the NK issue...calling for 'direct talks anytime...'

    https://www.rt.com/usa/412915-tillerson-north-korea-preconditions/

    Thank you...a simple admission of facts vs Dumpian fantasy...

    As for his mistrust of Russia and Germany...I wouldn't be too sure of that either...Rex knows it's not important what you say but what you do...and I think the 'serious men'...if such actually exist and are trying to regain control of the ship...are well aware that a zero-sum game only works some of the time...

    I think back on his confirmation hearings where he managed to set the monkey gallery to cooing with his very earnest-sounding words about Russia being 'threat number one...'

    I was thinking...'good one Rex'...tossing some red meat to the mouth-foamers is always the rational thing to do...

    We should remember that Tillerson is an engineer by profession...not some lib arts or poli-sci goofball who never had the mental fortitude to actually tackle tough subjects like math...

    He's already head and shoulders above the rest of the morons...and I think he knows just how to 'engineer' outcomes involving lesser men who stand in the way...
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  116. @utu
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FPmlJUiVfU

    Very good, utu! I thought I was the only person around any more who remembered the original 1953 film. The remake (1977), Sorcerer, is also excellent, but the timing of the explosion sequence is really perfect in the old b+w Wages of Fear.

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  117. Z-man says:
    @FB
    People need to let go of the idea that Dump is anything but a conman...and a weak one at that...

    The office of President holds a lot of authority that Dump has not been able [or willing] to wield...that speaks to his own weakness as a leader...

    It's time to admit that he is not the messiah that many Lunchpail Joes wanted to believe...

    As to the specifics of this article...yes...I agree with Mr. Giraldi that the neocons are back in the driver's seat...if they ever left in the first place...

    Exhibit One is Jared Kushner...the Clown Prince of the Shite House...

    This is the guy who has inflicted most of the damage on Dump...starting with his advice to dump Flynn...

    Dump was under zero pressure to do any such thing...the neocon Pence is the one who demanded Flynn's head...

    Dump could have pushed back...there was nothing wrong with Flynn...the incoming National Security Adviser speaking to the Russians or anyone else...and what he spoke of with the Russians was in lobbying THEM in the US interest...not the other way round...

    Dump's second big mistake was firing Comey...again on the advice of Kushner...

    ...which got the Mueller ball rolling...

    Some have rightly drawn the parallels of Kushner whispering in Dump's ear to the same role of Kissinger vis a vis Nixon's downfall...

    Then Kushner appeared to connive with his buddy KSA Clown Prince MBS to engineer the Hariri fiasco...[which Tillerson managed to ">deftly undo...]


    '...Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who was accompanying the president during his Asia tour at the time of the Saudi-engineered initiative, was “completely blindsided” by the move, as several senior Middle East diplomats confirmed to TAC.

    While Tillerson would later be accused of being “totally disengaged” from the crisis, several former and current U.S. diplomats have told us that just precisely the opposite was the case...'
     

    '...The unlikely hero in all of this might well be Rex Tillerson, who quietly engineered a U.S. policy at odds with the views of Donald Trump—and his son-in-law. The exact details of how Tillerson pulled this off remain unknown (“I think Tillerson just told Trump what he was going to do,” the senior diplomat with whom we spoke speculates, “and then just did it.”)...'
     
    So that's the backstory right there about why the neocons are agitating for Tillerson's ouster...

    I have to strongly disagree with Mr. Giraldi's characterization of Tillerson as...

    '...a somewhat bumbling businessman adept at dealing in energy futures contracts who has been struggling with reducing State’s enormously bloated payroll...'
     
    That is a useless statement on many levels...Tillerson deftly managed what is arguably America's most important corporation in what is surely the most strategic and geopolitical global industry...energy...

    The global oil trade is 14 trillion dollars even at today's prices...and the petrodollar is the underpinning of the entire US system...a free ride for printing free money because every nation has to buy US dollars to buy or sell oil...

    In 1971...

    '...I was informed at a White House meeting that U.S. diplomats had let Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries know that they could charge as much as they wanted for their oil, but that the United States would treat it as an act of war not to keep their oil proceeds in U.S. dollar assets...'
     
    ...Writes economist Michael Hudson" from personal recollection of the many meetings he had at the WH...

    This whole saga surrounding Dump's readiness to tie the can to Tillerson is proof positive...if any more were needed...that conman Dump has been a fake from the beginning...

    If the neocons are ascendant and back in the driver's seat...it is no one's fault but the Dumpster...

    He has cast his lot with Kushner who appears to be the neocons' Trojan Horse...

    There can be no more sympathy or understanding anymore for Dump...

    If we recall his campaign rhetoric of 'draining the swamp' and rebuilding America's failing infrastructure...improving relations with Russia...all good things...

    ...we must also recall that he has been vehemently anti-Iran from the get-go...

    One has to ask why...?

    Iran is a completely Israeli-owned issue...Iran has nothing to do with the interests of the US...other than to benefit leading US industries like aircraft manufacturing...which were immediately rewarded with a $100 billion order of Boeing aircraft...in the aftermath of the Obama nuclear deal...

    That vehement anti-Iran attitude even on the campaign trail should have been a red flag to everyone...

    Even Hellary would have been better in that regard...and as for the Russia 'issue'...what could Hellary or the US to do Russia anyway...?

    Militarily nothing...even in Syria the US military would certainly not go for an open war against Russia...neither would the regional players hosting US bases which would need to be on board for such an adventure...

    same goes for the breakaway region of eastern Ukraine...

    Germany and France are anyway moving closer to Russia, which has de facto established itself as an energy distribution superpower for the continent...and for China...

    The big picture is that the petrodollar and the free ride for US prosperity is living on borrowed time...China is the world's biggest energy importer and is not going to support the petrodollar forever...

    Already an alternative financial architecture is being built and the BRICS countries now outpace the combined GDP of the G7...so the writing is on the wall...

    Dump has shown himself to be a conman first...and an incredibly weak president...he deserves no sympathy or support...

    The neocons are of course insane...they are picking fights with Iran, Venezuela and others who are going to be the first to ditch the petrodollar...and accelerate the tipping point to the new global financial order that is going to impoverish the US overnight...

    the same neocons are also the ones who are undermining US demographics...because their Ponzi scheme economy is based on perpetual growth...which, in turn, requires perpetual population growth...which means more immigration...

    Also the immigration keeps the wages low...which is just extra gravy for the Plutocracy...

    The US will be a white-minority country by 2050...much of the Southwest already is...

    None of that is going to change...when the party is over and the Titanic sinks...the handful of necons and Plutocrats will have their lifeboats ready...

    Your total hatred for Trump is disturbing. He’s still better than Satan i.e., SHillary. But he needs to jettison, as you said and I alter for comedic effect, ‘The Kikan Horse’, the weird son in law and his Christ denying daughter. He needs to purge more Neocons and also established Republitards who are screwing the ‘Tax Bill’ by making it a typical GOP tax break for the rich crap. Will he do it? Give him another year…ok 10 months. (Grin)

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    Hold on a minute there pardner...hating is one thing...withholding unearned respect quite another...

    But ok...let's wait and see if Dump cuts loose the 'Kissinger protege'...are you giving any odds...?
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  118. FB says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    "Multiple sources are predicting Tillerson out and Mike Pompeo in State Department with Pompeo replaced at CIA by Senator Tom Cotton. The White House is the story, calling it “fake news,” but it is clear that Trump is uncomfortable with the current arrangement and Tillerson will be gone sooner or later." -- Giraldi
     
    My assumption has been that Tillerson's role has been to assure maximum political-financial pressure on NordStream pipeline, and, to line up the ducks for the Great Showdown with Iran . I believe that Nordstream is still operating and there doesn't seem to be any likelihood of it being shut down, and no plan in place to replace Russian with North American energy (natural gas) as foundation of German economy. Remember, just a year or two back, such talk was huge ... it was the very heart of the Neocons' new Cold War on Russia .... but now that narrative has collapsed.

    I suspect that ZOG neocons have found that it's impossible -- even with their alliance with MBS of Arabia -- to control 'Big Oil, or even to control Tillerson or even to threaten/assassinate him. So, I suspect that Secretary Tillerson has refused to acquiesce in planned full-spectrum war on Iran. His allies in Big Oil are asking him, what about these huge contracts to supply the energy for Germany from North America? He doesn't like Iran, and he mistrusts Russia and Germany ... but then he thinks about the Straights of Hormuz and all that uncertainty, huge uncertainty ...so, "Rex, are you with us or against us?"... and it's not his kind of game.

    But what do I know? I just think that there are limits to everything, including Zionist power. So the Zionists control the petrodollar (or do they?) but do they control the global petro-system? Of course, all this hardly means that Tillerson will (or could) mount effective opposition to war with Iran ... he will just want to have insider information on it so as to protect himself and his (WASPish?) allies. Could the Ziocons be overplaying their hand?

    ‘…I suspect that Secretary Tillerson has refused to acquiesce in planned full-spectrum war on Iran…’

    Agree…

    I think it’s a mistake to underestimate Rexxon Man…and I include in that these noises about his imminent ouster…let’s wait and see…

    Through my lens, Rex is the only grownup in the room…and he’s got to have some backing from the powers that be…

    Hell it can’t be that everyone has lost their minds…even among the plutocracy and back-room power brokers there’s got to be some serious people…Putin can’t be the only sane man on Earth…I suspect the military shot-callers are in his corner too…

    Just now he has come out swinging on the NK issue…calling for ‘direct talks anytime…’

    https://www.rt.com/usa/412915-tillerson-north-korea-preconditions/

    Thank you…a simple admission of facts vs Dumpian fantasy…

    As for his mistrust of Russia and Germany…I wouldn’t be too sure of that either…Rex knows it’s not important what you say but what you do…and I think the ‘serious men’…if such actually exist and are trying to regain control of the ship…are well aware that a zero-sum game only works some of the time…

    I think back on his confirmation hearings where he managed to set the monkey gallery to cooing with his very earnest-sounding words about Russia being ‘threat number one…’

    I was thinking…’good one Rex’…tossing some red meat to the mouth-foamers is always the rational thing to do…

    We should remember that Tillerson is an engineer by profession…not some lib arts or poli-sci goofball who never had the mental fortitude to actually tackle tough subjects like math…

    He’s already head and shoulders above the rest of the morons…and I think he knows just how to ‘engineer’ outcomes involving lesser men who stand in the way…

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  119. L.K says:
    @peterAUS
    Well....I guess we are sort of with a similar view here.

    I'll reiterate mine:
    If.....if.....the Deep State has a projection (they believe in) that the war with Iran would deliver to the core Trump base what they want (meaningful employment) they'll go for it.
    All the rest in USA wouldn't object to that war, or at least not in a meaningful way.

    In essence create meaningful jobs in manufacturing, infrastructure etc. What the Trump base wants.

    Say, they are able to sell "the effort will create jobs and fix infrastructure" to that part of US electorate.
    Of course they won't call it war, but that's besides the point.

    But, they (powers that be) have to believe in that.
    That's the area I don't understand much so I'll keep out of it.
    At the same time I'd like to see some numbers, projections and such instead of "that's WRONG" and similar feel-good bullshit.

    Randal, several times on this site, explained quite well how a proper pretext for war can be manufactured and used.

    On a pure "technical" level, again, it boils down to keeping Hormuz open while hammering Iran from air/sea. Etc.
    A couple of scenarios there and they do include the rest of the world (not important) and Russia and China (important).

    The REAL problem, actually, isn't feasibility of that effort I am afraid. Other motives/"reasons" are here, not just economic/geopolitical calculations etc. I mean, not much reasoning.
    The really dangerous area is ideology, religion, even psychology of all players here. Including US public (American exceptionalism etc.).

    So...interesting times.

    Peter “I love War(from a distance)” Aus keeps pushing his BS;

    If…..if…..the Deep State has a projection (they believe in) that the war with Iran would deliver to the core Trump base what they want (meaningful employment) they’ll go for it.
    All the rest in USA wouldn’t object to that war, or at least not in a meaningful way.

    In essence create meaningful jobs in manufacturing, infrastructure etc. What the Trump base wants.

    Economists DESTROY the Myth that War Is Good for the Economy
    Posted on June 11, 2016 by WashingtonsBlog
    Debunking the Stubborn Myth that War Is Good for the Economy

    Nobel-prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz agrees that war is bad for the economy:

    Stiglitz wrote in 2003:

    War is widely thought to be linked to economic good times. The second world war is often said to have brought the world out of depression, and war has since enhanced its reputation as a spur to economic growth. Some even suggest that capitalism needs wars, that without them, recession would always lurk on the horizon. Today, we know that this is nonsense. The 1990s boom showed that peace is economically far better than war. The Gulf war of 1991 demonstrated that wars can actually be bad for an economy.

    Stiglitz has also said that this decade’s Iraq war has been very bad for the economy.[...]

    Economist Robert Higgs makes the same point about World War II:

    Yes, officially measured GDP soared during the war. Examination of that increased output shows, however, that it consisted entirely of military goods and services. Real civilian consumption and private investment both fell after 1941, and they did not recover fully until 1946. The privately owned capital stock actually shrank during the war. Some prosperity.[...]

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/06/top-experts-war-bad-economy.html

    http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=442

    https://www.amazon.com/Depression-War-Cold-Challenging-Independent/dp/1598130293/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1508439496&sr=8-3&keywords=Robert+Higgs

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    great comment & links. thx.
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  120. FB says:
    @Z-man
    Your total hatred for Trump is disturbing. He's still better than Satan i.e., SHillary. But he needs to jettison, as you said and I alter for comedic effect, 'The Kikan Horse', the weird son in law and his Christ denying daughter. He needs to purge more Neocons and also established Republitards who are screwing the 'Tax Bill' by making it a typical GOP tax break for the rich crap. Will he do it? Give him another year...ok 10 months. (Grin)

    Hold on a minute there pardner…hating is one thing…withholding unearned respect quite another…

    But ok…let’s wait and see if Dump cuts loose the ‘Kissinger protege’…are you giving any odds…?

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    But ok…let’s wait and see if Dump cuts loose the ‘Kissinger protege’…are you giving any odds…?
     
    I'm not a betting man or else I would have bought Bitcoin 3&1/2 years ago! (Crying)
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  121. Joe Sixpack can be forgiven perhaps, but did anyone who regularly reads this site seriously believe the mere results of an election would unseat the deep state, or the establishment, or ZOG, or whatever you call it, from power?

    Trump was a symbol. He needed to win so Joe Sixpack could see that he does in fact have interests, and a voice, and raising it can have an effect.

    Now he needs to learn that there’s no way that he, a member of the most maligned race in a racial spoils system, declining more every day in percentage of the total population, is ever going to secure the future he wants for his children through the ballot box.

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  122. Alden says:
    @Issac
    He reads like every "traditionalist" Catholic I've ever met.

    Jake seems to be stuck with the conflict that started 500 years ago. But when he writes wasp he really means 400 year old puritanism. I also think he’s talking about how the Scots and Irish Catholics were treated by the English, not American wasps.

    I don’t like there term wasp. It’s actually a pejorative invented by jews in the 1940′s or so. Everybody else had a nasty name, dago, polack, kraut square head, dirty mick, paddy, hillbilly, White trash, linthead.* But there wasn’t a nasty name for middle and upper class British descended protestants.

    So the Jews made up the name wasp. Wasps (the insects) are nasty things and the jews wanted to make the founders and the people who started the Ivy League colleges sound mean and dangerous.

    *Linthead is a term for a person who works in a textile mill and has fabric fluff all over him or her.

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    To be perfectly honest I've never met such a Catholic who could recite line and verse of their victimization by the hated Protestant governments of one state or another. The wellspring of their ire, in every case I have encountered, is their fervent belief in the one true faith and their desire to see the Church dominate again.
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  123. Z-man says:
    @FB
    Hold on a minute there pardner...hating is one thing...withholding unearned respect quite another...

    But ok...let's wait and see if Dump cuts loose the 'Kissinger protege'...are you giving any odds...?

    But ok…let’s wait and see if Dump cuts loose the ‘Kissinger protege’…are you giving any odds…?

    I’m not a betting man or else I would have bought Bitcoin 3&1/2 years ago! (Crying)

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  124. Alden says:
    @Zumbuddi
    Jake's not trollish, imo, just passionate about the piece of the puzxle that he seems to have researched.

    Everybody's contribution has value, even some genuine trolls.
    Do you think CIA gets info by hobnobbing with folks in nursing homes?

    Jake’s definitely right about Oliver Cromwell though. And the ousting of James 2 by William and Mary was connived by the Amsterdam bankers who set up the not English Bank of Britain a year after the Amsterdam bankers installed William and Mary.

    The Church of England was very traditional and kept the christian part of the bible and many traditional christian practices such as acknowledging Mary the Mother of God, Christmas, Easter, Whitsun, Michelmas and numerous other traditional holy days.

    But the puritans were definitely wanna be Jews. They hated Mary because she was a woman. They dumped the christian part of the bible in favor of the jewish part of the bible with all its sex, war, genocide and violence. They banned the christian holy days. They even discussed banning rabbits, pork, oysters, clams and other trief foods. But since the poor and average people ate rabbits, pork oysters and clams because they were cheap, they didn’t go so far.

    And Calvin and Knox loudly proclaimed, “there is but one God and that is the God of Israel” The puritans denied Jesus is God and claiming that Jesus is God is the essence of Christianity.

    But it was 500 to 400 years ago.

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    Puritan obssesion with sex is still there, only turned upside down. Sex is now seen as sacred obligation and moral duty, people who do not have sex are the ultimate sinners of this age. Even more absurd as the original version.
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  125. @L.K
    Peter "I love War(from a distance)" Aus keeps pushing his BS;

    If…..if…..the Deep State has a projection (they believe in) that the war with Iran would deliver to the core Trump base what they want (meaningful employment) they’ll go for it.
    All the rest in USA wouldn’t object to that war, or at least not in a meaningful way.

    In essence create meaningful jobs in manufacturing, infrastructure etc. What the Trump base wants.
     
    Economists DESTROY the Myth that War Is Good for the Economy
    Posted on June 11, 2016 by WashingtonsBlog
    Debunking the Stubborn Myth that War Is Good for the Economy

    Nobel-prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz agrees that war is bad for the economy:

    Stiglitz wrote in 2003:

    War is widely thought to be linked to economic good times. The second world war is often said to have brought the world out of depression, and war has since enhanced its reputation as a spur to economic growth. Some even suggest that capitalism needs wars, that without them, recession would always lurk on the horizon. Today, we know that this is nonsense. The 1990s boom showed that peace is economically far better than war. The Gulf war of 1991 demonstrated that wars can actually be bad for an economy.

    Stiglitz has also said that this decade’s Iraq war has been very bad for the economy.[...]

    Economist Robert Higgs makes the same point about World War II:

    Yes, officially measured GDP soared during the war. Examination of that increased output shows, however, that it consisted entirely of military goods and services. Real civilian consumption and private investment both fell after 1941, and they did not recover fully until 1946. The privately owned capital stock actually shrank during the war. Some prosperity.[...]
     
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/06/top-experts-war-bad-economy.html
    http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=442
    https://www.amazon.com/Depression-War-Cold-Challenging-Independent/dp/1598130293/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1508439496&sr=8-3&keywords=Robert+Higgs

    great comment & links. thx.

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    • Replies: @peterAUS
    Perhaps these links could help too.

    Took me around 5 minutes to find them. I am sure that with more time spent I'd find dozens more.
    Experts..............yeah.........

    If/when you/anyone have time:


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-s-lofgren/is-war-good-for-the-econo_1_b_3185569.html


    So did the dozen years of war, with all the deaths, destruction, and expense they entailed, have the perverse silver lining of being good for the economy? Most mainstream economists — who, like cynics, know the price of everything and the value of nothing — would answer in the affirmative.
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/14/upshot/the-lack-of-major-wars-may-be-hurting-economic-growth.html

    the Keynesian argument that preparing for war lifts government spending and puts people to work.
     
    https://realmoney.thestreet.com/articles/11/20/2015/it-or-not-spending-war-good-economy

    Do not brand me a cynic, but that war spending has been a major contributor to the relative strength of the U.S. economy.
     
    and

    Please, do not brand me a warmonger or depraved; I am totally against this kind of spending. I am just telling you what it is.
     
    Anyone here who could write, by his/her own something of a substance?
    Related to manufacturing/infrastructure in USA with the war with Iran?

    Or we can keep posting/quoting ....ahm....experts....who support one/another side of that coin?

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  126. Darin says:
    @Alden
    Jake's definitely right about Oliver Cromwell though. And the ousting of James 2 by William and Mary was connived by the Amsterdam bankers who set up the not English Bank of Britain a year after the Amsterdam bankers installed William and Mary.

    The Church of England was very traditional and kept the christian part of the bible and many traditional christian practices such as acknowledging Mary the Mother of God, Christmas, Easter, Whitsun, Michelmas and numerous other traditional holy days.

    But the puritans were definitely wanna be Jews. They hated Mary because she was a woman. They dumped the christian part of the bible in favor of the jewish part of the bible with all its sex, war, genocide and violence. They banned the christian holy days. They even discussed banning rabbits, pork, oysters, clams and other trief foods. But since the poor and average people ate rabbits, pork oysters and clams because they were cheap, they didn't go so far.

    And Calvin and Knox loudly proclaimed, "there is but one God and that is the God of Israel" The puritans denied Jesus is God and claiming that Jesus is God is the essence of Christianity.

    But it was 500 to 400 years ago.

    Puritan obssesion with sex is still there, only turned upside down. Sex is now seen as sacred obligation and moral duty, people who do not have sex are the ultimate sinners of this age. Even more absurd as the original version.

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    The puritans were not against sex. It's just that In my amateur opinion, they loved the jewish part of the bible because there was so much sex in in it. It was like the only porn in print in 1550 and for years after wards.

    Other than Mary and John the Baptist's mother getting pregnant, there is no sex in the christian part of the bible. But the OT is full of it. I got turned off the OT in sunday school with the stories of Hagar and Ishmael and the book of Dinah.
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  127. Skeptikal says:
    @Zumbuddi
    Faith in Bush the OLDER is misplaced.

    In 1979 he stood shoulder to shoulder w/ Bibi and Benzion Netenyahu, and Midge Decter & other neocons, in Jerusalem, as they drafted the blueprint for GWOT. Planning went so far as to name the 7 states to take out.
    USSR was #1 at the time.
    Jews got Jews Who had been highly educated at Russian expense - out of Russia, now Russia is back in the crosshairs.

    Bush I is what Jake would call a Judaized Episcopalian, aka a goy neocon.

    “Jews got Jews Who had been highly educated at Russian expense – ” out of Russian and into Israel.

    Yes, and guess who paid for them to be resettled in Israel.
    Hint: Not Russia. Not Israel.

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  128. @anon
    Do the Izzies or USA have capability to electronically disable Iran's defenses or radars before an attack?

    I do not think so. It is difficult or impossible to find frequencies on which the guiding commands are sent.

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  129. Alden says:
    @Darin
    Puritan obssesion with sex is still there, only turned upside down. Sex is now seen as sacred obligation and moral duty, people who do not have sex are the ultimate sinners of this age. Even more absurd as the original version.

    The puritans were not against sex. It’s just that In my amateur opinion, they loved the jewish part of the bible because there was so much sex in in it. It was like the only porn in print in 1550 and for years after wards.

    Other than Mary and John the Baptist’s mother getting pregnant, there is no sex in the christian part of the bible. But the OT is full of it. I got turned off the OT in sunday school with the stories of Hagar and Ishmael and the book of Dinah.

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  130. @anonymous
    Can you name 3 books, other than scripture, that you've read in the past year?

    I will list the books in progress:

    Africa: Meredith

    Color or Law: Richard Rothstein

    You Have the Right to Remain Innocent: Duane

    My Side of the Street: Trennert

    FlashBoys: Lewis

    Waiting in the wings

    Brilliant Solution: Berkin — also on disk

    Washington Rules: Bacevic

    Sometimes a read a book in two days, sometimes a week, sometimes a month or several . . .

    Ulyssus S Grant: White on disk

    None of which has much bearing on this discussion. I used to read five books a week — another inconsequential tidbit

    I reread Brave New World and Stranger in a Strangeland

    i intend to include the Queens of Great Britain someday

    Sometimes I will a test straight through with hardly a break — eating as I read –

    Sometimes, I barely get through ten pages when I have to set it aside and consider the contents . . .

    Hardly matters in the scheme of life. I don’t read as much as I should. In fact, it’s embarrassing to see the tests of shelves I have only but read the inside cover. I have stacks of journals I haven’t cracked but a couple of academic articles. I can’t even blame my accident five months ago – despite the brain injury — I admit it –

    I could read far more than I do and should.

    And goodness me oh my nothing compares to the value of scripture and a practice in deep neglect — said with no small amount of embarassment

    The prophet says: For more the knowledge — all the more the grief (paraphrased)

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  131. peterAUS says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    great comment & links. thx.

    Perhaps these links could help too.

    Took me around 5 minutes to find them. I am sure that with more time spent I’d find dozens more.
    Experts…………..yeah………

    If/when you/anyone have time:

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-s-lofgren/is-war-good-for-the-econo_1_b_3185569.html

    So did the dozen years of war, with all the deaths, destruction, and expense they entailed, have the perverse silver lining of being good for the economy? Most mainstream economists — who, like cynics, know the price of everything and the value of nothing — would answer in the affirmative.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/14/upshot/the-lack-of-major-wars-may-be-hurting-economic-growth.html

    the Keynesian argument that preparing for war lifts government spending and puts people to work.

    https://realmoney.thestreet.com/articles/11/20/2015/it-or-not-spending-war-good-economy

    Do not brand me a cynic, but that war spending has been a major contributor to the relative strength of the U.S. economy.

    and

    Please, do not brand me a warmonger or depraved; I am totally against this kind of spending. I am just telling you what it is.

    Anyone here who could write, by his/her own something of a substance?
    Related to manufacturing/infrastructure in USA with the war with Iran?

    Or we can keep posting/quoting ….ahm….experts….who support one/another side of that coin?

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  132. @Zumbuddi
    Trust but verify.

    What's your source?

    I read somewhere that Hitler's housekeeper said 88 (that's for iffen) returned from an activity, bathed, then told her, Now I feel clean.

    Never heard the bit about Rohm as Hitler's handler. I thought R ran Freikorps, part of whose duty was as Praetotian Guard; that it's functions became redundant but Rohm wanted more power. Freikorp was less disciplined than other groups, a Machiavellian decision was made, the outfit was eliminated.

    I could be wrong. It happened once before.

    I do not have a time for you to explain things about you do not have a clue.
    Although there is one line in your comment that is true.
    Quick timeline.
    German army returned from front.
    They smashed the communist revolution and eliminated communist government.
    High command of the army decided that actions of myriad of different parties must be monitored.
    Rohm (Actully the name is R then o with two points on top and m) sent Hitler (actually his name was at that time still Hidlerchuk) to check out a small party of name National Socialist German worker party.
    Hitler did sign in as 47th member.
    Through oratory skills Hitler become more and more famous spoke to larger and larger crowd.
    And so he was attacked. His follower created armed guards and Hitler named the commander of this guards Rohm.
    Long time after Hitler become Chancellor of Germany.
    Army’s general staff demanded that Rohm and his army of SA was dissolved.
    Rohm refused.
    The next followed what I have written.

    This is very simplified writing but I could not do otherwise.

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    Hidlerchuk????
    , @Zumbuddi
    Thanks for the edumacation, but my question was, What's your source?
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  133. FB says:
    @anon
    Do the Izzies or USA have capability to electronically disable Iran's defenses or radars before an attack?

    ‘…Do the Izzies or USA have capability to electronically disable Iran’s defenses or radars before an attack?…’

    In a word…not very likely…

    Disrupting modern air defenses means jamming the air defense radars…and then knocking them out with missiles that target radio emitters [radars]…this is a losing proposition due to the reasons of physics…

    Ie…suppression of enemy air defense [SEAD] is aviation-based…that is to say aircraft attacking air defense systems carry specialized jamming pods which use radar transmitters to attempt to disrupt the much larger and more powerful ground radars…

    If they are able to jam those radars then fighter aircraft can get close enough [without being shot down first by the longer range air defense missiles] to shoot special missiles at the air defense radars…these are called HARMs…ie high-speed anti-radiation missiles…

    The problem is that US technology in this area has not changed in decades…the AN/ALQ-99 jamming pod is carried by Navy and Marine Corps Grumman EA6B ‘Prowler’ aircraft…as well as Navy EA18G ‘Growler’ which are electronic attack version of the FA18…

    That’s a picture of one under the wing of the EA6B…another one is carried under the other wing…the EA18B only carries one centerline-mounted pod…

    That little propeller on the front of the pod is a ‘ram air turbine’ which supplies electrical power to small radar antennas inside the pod…which send the jamming signals…

    This cutaway illustration shows the small antennas inside…they are about 8 inch diameter…

    The power of any radar is the product of its electrical power and its aperture size [ie antenna dish size or electronic array size if a phased array system]…

    The maximum power of the AN/ALQ99 is only 6.8 kilowatts…the antennas as mentioned are tiny…so the total power is not very big…

    This stuff was designed to work against pretty primitive radar technology from the 1950s…

    Against modern phased array radars…think of an Aegis SPY1 radar on the US guided missile cruisers and destroyers…these are like little bugs…they can’t do anything…

    Russian air defense radars that come with S300/400 systems use radars of the Aegis class mounted on big trucks…they have their own big diesel engine generators that can put out hundreds of kilowatts…here is a size comparison of the Russian 64N6E phased array antenna and an Aegis Spy 1…

    The truck-mounted 64N6E which comes with the S300 air defense system is actually bigger by 30 percent…

    ‘…This system operates in the 2 GHz band and is a phased array with a 30% larger aperture than the US Navy SPY-1 Aegis radar, even accounting for its slightly larger wavelength it amounts to a mobile land based Aegis class package. It has no direct equivalent in the West…

    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Acquisition-GCI.html#mozTocId420074

    Those little jamming pods clearly have no chance against something like this…not only that but those modern air defense radars being phased array means the antenna is electronically steered…not physically like on a conventional radar antenna…

    Phased array also means they can incorporate robust counter-electronic countermeasure [CECM]…such as rapid frequency hopping and other tricks which prevent jammers from locking onto their radar frequency at any given moment…they are even designed to home in on airborne jammers like the AN/ALQ99…making them the target…

    The Harm missiles…AGM88… carried by various fighter types such as F15, F16, FA18 etc…have a maximum range of only about 90 miles…and that’s if launched at high speed and altitude…typically a Harm aircraft will come in low [to avoid the enemy radar] and slow [fighters cannot fly very fast down low due to the thick air] so its range might be as little as 10 to 20 miles…

    Meanwhile…the opposing air defense systems have missiles with a range of up to 250 miles for the S400…

    Again it is a mismatch…the simple reason being that an aircraft cannot carry huge equipment…because it must fly…

    Big trucks carrying missiles and radars have no such limitations…

    The Iranians have apparently several S300 battalions…each battalion consisting of eight launchers [TELARS for transporter erector launcher]…plus five or six truck-mounted radars…

    Being mobile their location is not known by attacking forces in advance…and they can ‘shoot and scoot’ in five minutes flat…

    The Russians aren’t dumb…the US has been beating up on countries with little to no air defenses [or aging and badly run equipment as in the first Iraq war...]…and they have come up with a very effective way to counter an attack by aviation…

    Thus the buzzword anti-access / area denial [A2/AD]…

    This inability to penetrate these denial zones is widely acknowledged in Nato technical/military circles…recently it is becoming public knowledge as well…

    USAF Gen. Phillip Breedlove [former Eurocom commander] recently acknowledged this…

    ‘…Right now, we’re almost completely dependent on air forces and aviation assets in order to attack the A2/AD problem…

    …We need more long-range, survivable, precision strike capability from the ground…We need dense capability—like the dense A2/AD networks that we face…

    The US has not developed A2/AD capability of its own…assuming I guess that they are always going to be on the offensive and never on defense…

    ‘…Do we create our own anti-access/area-denial capability?…That is a big decision…’

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-one-way-russia-could-beat-nato-war-23169

    Certainly Iran is not going to be a pushover if attacked from the air…its going to inflict a lot of losses…the loss of US prestige from having a dozen aircraft shot down would be very damaging…

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    Thanks for the informative answer.
    I have very little knowledge of the technicalities of these systems, but you look like you know your stuff.
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  134. utu says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    I do not have a time for you to explain things about you do not have a clue.
    Although there is one line in your comment that is true.
    Quick timeline.
    German army returned from front.
    They smashed the communist revolution and eliminated communist government.
    High command of the army decided that actions of myriad of different parties must be monitored.
    Rohm (Actully the name is R then o with two points on top and m) sent Hitler (actually his name was at that time still Hidlerchuk) to check out a small party of name National Socialist German worker party.
    Hitler did sign in as 47th member.
    Through oratory skills Hitler become more and more famous spoke to larger and larger crowd.
    And so he was attacked. His follower created armed guards and Hitler named the commander of this guards Rohm.
    Long time after Hitler become Chancellor of Germany.
    Army's general staff demanded that Rohm and his army of SA was dissolved.
    Rohm refused.
    The next followed what I have written.


    This is very simplified writing but I could not do otherwise.

    Hidlerchuk????

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    Ya learn something new everyday.
    Like, Hilderchuk, aka Hitler, became chancellor!
    Of Germany, of all places!

    Who knew?!!
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  135. Mark Dubowitz.

    Canadian? or (((Canadian)))?

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  136. Ramz is sorry.

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  137. Miro23 says:
    @anonymous

    Somehow the jackals need to be restrained.
     
    It's not that difficult to strategize HOW to go about "restraining the jackals."
    99 44/100% of what ziocons accuse others of is projection.
    They say, "They [_____ Iran, ISIS, Palestinians, Russians - fill in the blank] understand only force."

    This projects that the only thing that will restrain psychopathic Israel is force.

    When an Iranian nuclear engineer was assassinated in Tehran, Ronen Bergman told Brian Williams that "Israel has used assassination more than any other state; not even Stalin or Hitler used assassination as much as Israel. . . ."

    http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/__NEW/x_30_rc_bergman_120208.blocks_desktop_large.jpg

    Assassination wielded as 'a weapon' - Video on NBCNews.com

    Video for ronen bergman brian williams▶
    www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982
    Feb 8, 2012
    Video on NBCNews.com: Israel has long used assassination against its enemies, “hoping that by taking out ... https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=ronen+bergman+brian+williams&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982
    [looks like NBC has pulled the video ]
     
    Bergman continued: "In Israel they call Ahmadinejad Hitler. I don't agree, but anytime you say someone is Hitler, that means they are an enemy to my people, and you not only have the moral right, you have the moral duty to take them out."

    Bergman added, "We Jews have used assassination to change history."

    In America First terms, those who pose a threat to the American people are "Hitler" and Americans have the moral right and duty to take them out, in order to reform our history, to reclaim our history.


    What we need to do is draw up a list of Jewish "Hitlers, " and summon the guts to systematically take them out.



    ACCEPTING nominees for Israeli and Israel-firster Hitlers -- people who pose a threat to the American people:

    Bibi gets pride of place.
    Ehud Barak, right up there
    The Kagan clan and the Kristol network have betrayed the USA in multiple ways. They deserve a fair trial before they are summarily hung in the presence of their children.
    Whole list of Israel firster journos vying for the Julius Streicher slot

    This projects that the only thing that will restrain psychopathic Israel is force.

    It was always this way.

    It’s not a question of morality or justice, it’s wholly a question of power. Pro Israel US Jews own the US media, education, government and the financial system and they use this power for Israel First, with the US fighting $ Trillion wars for Israel and transferring everything of economic or military value.

    In other words Israel is running the American Empire in traditional colonial style, with earlier colonial Empires having worked the same way:

    The Indian Empire was run by a British colonial elite, who lived apart from the natives, formed a close social network emphasizing British traditions, did not intermarry with natives, and frequently emphasized the racial superiority of the “Englishman” to justify their rule (dictatorship). They recognized that they were few in number, and developed a cadre of native collaborators who were inducted into the British Way with local leaders almost having the status of Englishmen (Indian princes and princesses such as John McCain and Hillary Clinton), and with a British commanded native military.

    The British Indian Empire was eventually brought down by Indian nationalism – hence the intense Jewish concern with stamping out everything to do with American nationalism.

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  138. Issac says:
    @Alden
    Jake seems to be stuck with the conflict that started 500 years ago. But when he writes wasp he really means 400 year old puritanism. I also think he's talking about how the Scots and Irish Catholics were treated by the English, not American wasps.

    I don't like there term wasp. It's actually a pejorative invented by jews in the 1940's or so. Everybody else had a nasty name, dago, polack, kraut square head, dirty mick, paddy, hillbilly, White trash, linthead.* But there wasn't a nasty name for middle and upper class British descended protestants.

    So the Jews made up the name wasp. Wasps (the insects) are nasty things and the jews wanted to make the founders and the people who started the Ivy League colleges sound mean and dangerous.

    *Linthead is a term for a person who works in a textile mill and has fabric fluff all over him or her.

    To be perfectly honest I’ve never met such a Catholic who could recite line and verse of their victimization by the hated Protestant governments of one state or another. The wellspring of their ire, in every case I have encountered, is their fervent belief in the one true faith and their desire to see the Church dominate again.

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  139. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    replaced at CIA by Senator Tom Cotton.
     
    it was faint, and barely perceptible, but at some level, I did actually tremble when I read those words

    Cotton is the new John McCain

    the ultimate traitor to this nation and its people and all people of good will on the planet and every tenet of decency known to the universe

    a lickspittle to Sheldon Adelson and everything that repulsive toad represents

    if Cotton is exalted to head the CIA, I'll have to think very hard about leaving these shores

    perhaps Bobby Fischer was right, and the ZUSA is endemically, irredeemably evil.

    there can be no doubt that the zio-Fiend is the incarnation of evil itself, but I always keep hoping that the good people of the ZUS will repudiate the zio-Fiend- that has them waging serial wars all over the planet to benefit the Jews. As their infrastructure crumbles back home, and their veterans can't get health care, and the jobs are 'in' and outsourced to the third world.

    what will it take to wake up the bovine, cud-chewing sheople?!

    their children come home in body bags, or with their souls so eviscerated by the sheer evil of the wars they're forced to fight, that they often just 'snuff it' as the only escape from their nightmares. (and the realization that the ZUSA is a drooling fiend and that they've murdered innocent people and destroyed nations on its behalf)

    those young people can not abide the evil that the ZUS government has become, and their only salvation is to end their young lives.

    for those of us with more choices at hand, why can't we finally and simply repudiate the zio-scum who've done us and so many others so much harm?!

    NOT TOM COTTON!!!!!

    fuck no!

    It is satisfying to see how the pagan polytheist West’s hatred of True Monotheism (the faith of Christ himself) and its adherents, is rotting its very soul.

    Perhaps this is what it means by “He works in mysterious ways”?

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    It is satisfying to see how the pagan polytheist West’s hatred of True Monotheism (the faith of Christ himself) and its adherents, is rotting its very soul.
     
    my mother (a saint) was a devout Christian

    she too often lamented my lack of fealty to the church

    once I took her to a particularly beautiful church she was always fond of, and you could feel her heart just sink when the sermon was all about the evil Muslim king who had slaughtered Jewish babies back in the day, and the requirement that we all steel our resolve against the evil Muslims of today, who are again threatening the holy Jews in the holy land.

    she knew how I felt about bloodthirsty "Christian' preachers exhorting their flocks to murder, in Christ's name. It was a crushing moment for her, and one more reason for me to despise the agents of $atan at the pulpit, with the shekels clinking under their frocks as they sanctified mass-murder

    if there are some Christians somewhere who remember the words of the Christ

    “Blessed are the poor in spirit,

    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    Blessed are those who mourn,

    for they will be comforted.

    Blessed are the meek,

    for they will inherit the earth.

    Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,

    for they will be filled.

    Blessed are the merciful,

    for they will be shown mercy.

    Blessed are the pure in heart,

    for they will see God.

    Blessed are the peacemakers,

    for they will be called children of God.

    Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,

    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    then they are my spiritual brothers and sisters, regardless of what organized religion they happen to belong to, or not.

    I would posit to you sir, (or madam) that a true Christian would not feel "satisfaction" at all, at the 'rotting of a soul', but rather angst, and heartache

    The Christ was about love, and mercy, and forbearance and kindness and peace

    at least the One my mother taught me about, and such a Christ would always feel an open and infinite love, even for His wayward children.

    I hope you find a way for His message to melt away some of the rancor and hatred in your own heart

    God bless

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  140. Not too far to predict calamitous civilisation. Let the nocons do they want. Let us be blind-deaf men.

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  141. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bayan
    In foreign policy, the American public is irrelevant gullible or not. Same for the British and many others. I think during the Iraq war majority of the British opposed the war, they were ignored.

    In terms of cost/benefit America/Israel should not attack Iran. But, America/Israel are too powerful, it is not clear they think in terms of cost/benefit. They may go to war for no reason at all.

    In any case Iran is stupid to get itself involved in the civil war of many of its neighbors.

    In any case Iran is stupid to get itself involved in the civil war of many of its neighbors.

    And let former allies turn hostile neighbours… I wonder who is more stupid, the Iranians or You?

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  142. ctail says:
    @peterAUS

    we can expect armed conflict with Iran within the next year,
     
    Well, if conflict is simply air assault on Iranian nuclear facilities that shouldn't be a problem for either party.
    Israelis/Americans bomb a bit and then everything goes back to normal. Something as that cruise missile launch on Syria.

    In a case of a serious effort though, say, attempt to "regime change" in Iran, well, it hinges on a projected (in)ability to keep Hormuz open I guess.
    If that is possible the next problem would be a resilience/strength of the regime itself (how fragile it really is; or not).

    As mentioned several times on this site before, it all depends on a pretext for the intervention.
    American public isn't as gullible as before; at the same time we can see the power of the system through Russiagate etc.

    Interesting times.

    US citizens have more glands than neurons. The scenario is: that USA attacks; then Iran responds—perhaps even taking out an aircraft carrier. Then the USA totally ignores that they attacked first and the only thing they publicize is the horror and tragedy of the US loss—and suddenly in the MSM “USA is merely defending itself”…. It is all standard fare: USA starts @ t=zero when it is convenient for their narrative, For Iran t=0 is the embassy hostage incident.

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    US citizens have more glands than neurons. The scenario is: that USA attacks; then Iran responds—perhaps even taking out an aircraft carrier. Then the USA totally ignores that they attacked first and the only thing they publicize is the horror and tragedy of the US loss—and suddenly in the MSM “USA is merely defending itself”…. It is all standard fare: USA starts @ t=zero when it is convenient for their narrative, For Iran t=0 is the embassy hostage incident.
     
    Agree that such event would be used/exploited as you say. Definitely.
    But, on a technical level, as I've pointed out several times on this site, it's not that easy, for a country as Iran, to sink an US aircraft carrier.
    I could envisage sinking a destroyer, or even a cruiser. Although the event wouldn't have exactly the same emotional impact a proper (sic) MSM campaign would also work well.
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  143. If you are under control it does not matter how smart you are but after reading Unz(meritocracy) I will like to see Tom scores and tom scores compare to his peers and the peers that never make it to Ivy schools.
    With Pompeo will like to see how smart was the crew arrond him.
    No more Ive school equal very smart.

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  144. @peterAUS
    Well...how about this:

    If that war can bring a meaningful paid employment to the core Trump's base, that war will happen within Trump's term.

    I tried to get some response along that line here, but, nothing of substance so far.

    These articles will keep popping up, so, I'll keep popping up the question.
    In time............

    Some of us think that killing other people’s children for fun and profit, and lying to obscure that agenda, do not reflect the highest and best aspects of civilization.

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    SolontoCroesus,

    On the topic of killing of children, please look at article linked below which discusses the Corporate Media and it's casting cold eye at the murder of Palestinian children.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/corporate-palestinian-children/

    Selah, "Bad Moon Rising" and Corporate Media "Moons" Palestinian Offspring.

    Thank you, S2C.
    , @peterAUS
    I don't quite know who, exactly, is behind all these handles on this site but, somehow, doubt any of them (including me of course) has any position of power in US Administration.

    Are we discussing here our moral stance or a certain possibility?

    Are we here to signal our moral values and feel good about it, or, to try to predict what's going to happen around us?
    At least 10 % of posters here. I know what the rest of 90 % are here for.

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  145. anarchyst says:
    @skrik

    located on the “green line” (border) ... Problem solved
     
    With all due respect, nice try but no cigar.

    1) The 'green line' is no border. [see '49 armistice to a war caused by invading-by-stealth aliens],

    2) the illegitimate Z-entity can have no borders, and in fact claims none - all the better to keep stealing control over ever more land never to be legally, let alone morally theirs,

    3) then, see anonymous' projection above "the only thing that will restrain psychopathic Israel is force," then chain to the next Anonymous' "carefully pre-planned and final." rgds

    I agree with you in principle. However, our ZOG-run government would not accede to what is morally right. Placing the embassy straddling on the “green line” would be “like poking the jews in the eye with a sharp stick”…
    Regards,

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  146. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    '...Do the Izzies or USA have capability to electronically disable Iran’s defenses or radars before an attack?...'
     
    In a word...not very likely...

    Disrupting modern air defenses means jamming the air defense radars...and then knocking them out with missiles that target radio emitters [radars]...this is a losing proposition due to the reasons of physics...

    Ie...suppression of enemy air defense [SEAD] is aviation-based...that is to say aircraft attacking air defense systems carry specialized jamming pods which use radar transmitters to attempt to disrupt the much larger and more powerful ground radars...

    If they are able to jam those radars then fighter aircraft can get close enough [without being shot down first by the longer range air defense missiles] to shoot special missiles at the air defense radars...these are called HARMs...ie high-speed anti-radiation missiles...

    The problem is that US technology in this area has not changed in decades...the AN/ALQ-99 jamming pod is carried by Navy and Marine Corps Grumman EA6B 'Prowler' aircraft...as well as Navy EA18G 'Growler' which are electronic attack version of the FA18...

    https://turnnburn.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/img_3685.jpg

    That's a picture of one under the wing of the EA6B...another one is carried under the other wing...the EA18B only carries one centerline-mounted pod...

    That little propeller on the front of the pod is a 'ram air turbine' which supplies electrical power to small radar antennas inside the pod...which send the jamming signals...

    https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/an-alq-99-jamitf1.gif

    This cutaway illustration shows the small antennas inside...they are about 8 inch diameter...

    The power of any radar is the product of its electrical power and its aperture size [ie antenna dish size or electronic array size if a phased array system]...

    The maximum power of the AN/ALQ99 is only 6.8 kilowatts...the antennas as mentioned are tiny...so the total power is not very big...

    This stuff was designed to work against pretty primitive radar technology from the 1950s...

    Against modern phased array radars...think of an Aegis SPY1 radar on the US guided missile cruisers and destroyers...these are like little bugs...they can't do anything...

    Russian air defense radars that come with S300/400 systems use radars of the Aegis class mounted on big trucks...they have their own big diesel engine generators that can put out hundreds of kilowatts...here is a size comparison of the Russian 64N6E phased array antenna and an Aegis Spy 1...

    http://www.ausairpower.net/PVO-S/64N6-vs-SPY-1-A.jpg

    The truck-mounted 64N6E which comes with the S300 air defense system is actually bigger by 30 percent...


    '...This system operates in the 2 GHz band and is a phased array with a 30% larger aperture than the US Navy SPY-1 Aegis radar, even accounting for its slightly larger wavelength it amounts to a mobile land based Aegis class package. It has no direct equivalent in the West...'
     
    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Acquisition-GCI.html#mozTocId420074

    Those little jamming pods clearly have no chance against something like this...not only that but those modern air defense radars being phased array means the antenna is electronically steered...not physically like on a conventional radar antenna...

    Phased array also means they can incorporate robust counter-electronic countermeasure [CECM]...such as rapid frequency hopping and other tricks which prevent jammers from locking onto their radar frequency at any given moment...they are even designed to home in on airborne jammers like the AN/ALQ99...making them the target...

    The Harm missiles...AGM88... carried by various fighter types such as F15, F16, FA18 etc...have a maximum range of only about 90 miles...and that's if launched at high speed and altitude...typically a Harm aircraft will come in low [to avoid the enemy radar] and slow [fighters cannot fly very fast down low due to the thick air] so its range might be as little as 10 to 20 miles...

    Meanwhile...the opposing air defense systems have missiles with a range of up to 250 miles for the S400...

    Again it is a mismatch...the simple reason being that an aircraft cannot carry huge equipment...because it must fly...

    Big trucks carrying missiles and radars have no such limitations...

    http://2k8r3p1401as2e1q7k14dguu-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/MPFig5.jpg

    The Iranians have apparently several S300 battalions...each battalion consisting of eight launchers [TELARS for transporter erector launcher]...plus five or six truck-mounted radars...

    https://www.neweurope.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Russia-Turkey-Tension1.jpg

    Being mobile their location is not known by attacking forces in advance...and they can 'shoot and scoot' in five minutes flat...

    The Russians aren't dumb...the US has been beating up on countries with little to no air defenses [or aging and badly run equipment as in the first Iraq war...]...and they have come up with a very effective way to counter an attack by aviation...

    Thus the buzzword anti-access / area denial [A2/AD]...

    This inability to penetrate these denial zones is widely acknowledged in Nato technical/military circles...recently it is becoming public knowledge as well...

    USAF Gen. Phillip Breedlove [former Eurocom commander] recently acknowledged this...


    '...Right now, we’re almost completely dependent on air forces and aviation assets in order to attack the A2/AD problem...

    ...We need more long-range, survivable, precision strike capability from the ground...We need dense capability—like the dense A2/AD networks that we face...'
     

    The US has not developed A2/AD capability of its own...assuming I guess that they are always going to be on the offensive and never on defense...

    '...Do we create our own anti-access/area-denial capability?...That is a big decision...'

     

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-one-way-russia-could-beat-nato-war-23169

    Certainly Iran is not going to be a pushover if attacked from the air...its going to inflict a lot of losses...the loss of US prestige from having a dozen aircraft shot down would be very damaging...

    Thanks for the informative answer.
    I have very little knowledge of the technicalities of these systems, but you look like you know your stuff.

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    Glad to help...the pop-sci media makes no effort to explain how technology actually works...especially crucial tech like aviation, missiles etc...

    Thus the public is denied knowledge of things that they need to know...

    As for A2/AD...there is a little more to it than just what I mentioned already...

    Those big, mobile missile launchers and radars are also protected by smaller air defense systems designed to knock down any radar-homing HARM missiles that manage to get through...

    In the case of Russian SAM [surface to air missile] systems...this job is handled by the small and mobile Pantsir-S1...

    http://cdn2.img.sputniknews.com/images/102738/54/1027385423.jpg

    Here you can see three Pantsirs on the move...the flat-screen type device on the top is its own phased array radar...

    This is a class of weapon known as point defense systems...warships have similar systems to knock down incoming anti-ship missiles...

    They shoot small missiles as well as large caliber, high rate of fire artillery at incoming missiles...such as Harms...but also are very effective against cruise missiles...such as the US Tomahawk land-attack cruise missile...[TLAM]

    It is important to note however that TLAMs are NOT used against mobile air defense systems...for the simple reason that TLAMs are pre-programmed to hit a stationary target...they lack a homing radar to identify and hit a moving target...[like the Harms have]

    So...all told the mobile ground based air defenses have the advantage because they can carry much bigger and thus more powerful radars and missiles than any combat aircraft could possibly get off the ground...this is the simple physics part...

    We have not yet seen any kind of SEAD operation where modern US and Nato combat jets have tried to take on such a system...and we probably won't...as Breedlove hinted it would be a game of trying to overwhelm those ground defenses with sheer numbers...


    '...We have the tools, but we do not have nearly enough of them—and the speed that we would need to eliminate these A2/AD bubbles—to be able to deploy our forces is going to be controlled by the depth of the bench of how we can attack those A2/AD forces...'
     
    In other words...trying to take out one of the A2/AD 'bubbles' is going to take a lot of aircraft...and a lot of them are going to get shot down...it becomes a numbers game...if you can throw several hundred aircraft at one denial zone...you might actually succeed in disabling it...but the cost will be very high...

    ...perhaps crippling...

    That's why Breedlove is suggesting Ground-Based means of tackling these A2/AD zones...ie ground launched missiles that have the standoff range [ie their launchers can be placed outside the range of the enemy SAMs]...AND the ability to home in and hit those air defense radars...

    But that's a tall order...first you have to know where those truck-mounted and highly mobile radars and launchers are hiding...

    Many people have the idea that satellites can read a license plate...but that's on tv...not in real life...

    A satellite image resolution of 16 inches means that one single pixel on your screen contains an area of 16 x 16 inches...[btw a resolution of 16 inches is VERY high]...

    If you have a standard HD screen of 1950 x 1080...that's a total of just over 2 million pixels on that screen in front of you...and each one of those represents 16 x 16 inches...

    I give a more detailed explanation of how satellite resolution works here...

    There is another problem with spy satellites that people do not realize...you can't just fly them wherever you want and have them stay there looking down...

    Satellites that can spy on the earth surface have to be in low earth orbit...ie about 100 to 200 miles above the earth...

    In order to stay aloft...they must move around the earth at a speed of about 17,000 mph...[that's the orbital velocity that is required for a satellite at this height to stay in orbit...

    ie at this speed the satellite's centrifugal force is in equilibrium with the earth's gravity force...which means it will keep circling the earth...think of the hammer throw in Olympics...the guy spins a heavy ball on a chain around and around and then lets it go to make it go as far as possible...

    While he is holding on to it...the spinning of that heavy ball creates a centrifugal force that increases with the rotational velocity...ie the faster he can spin...the more centrifugal force trying to pull that ball away...

    The chain is like earth's gravity...holding the ball from flying away...as long as he is holding on...the two forces are in equilibrium...as per Newton's Third Law of action and equal and opposite reaction...

    It's the same with an orbiting satellite...you want it to have just the right speed where its centrifugal force exactly matches the earth gravitational pull...the two forces are the in equilibrium and it then stays in that circling pattern...

    the right speed for this is about 17,000 mph as mentioned...this means that satellite circles the earth every 90 minutes or so...

    So how is it going to see every spot on earth...?

    the answer is that the sat must fly in an orbit that goes from pole to pole...ie a polar orbit...

    This lets the satellite camera takes pictures as the earth spins east to west beneath it...

    It can therefore cover every spot on earth with each complete rotation of the earth...ie every 24 hours...

    So even if you can spot those camouflaged radars and launchers on any particular satellite pass...it will have 24 hours to move somewhere else...it can pack up and move in a few minutes...here's what a camo SAM radar looks like...

    So that's the reality...it's not like on tv or the movies...

    There is more on this subject of air defenses vs air attack...including the issue of 'stealth'...which is not well understood by the public...and does not actually work very well...as the Serbs demonstrated in 1999...shooting down TWO F117 'Nighthawk' 'stealth' aircraft with 1950s era Soviet equipment...

    [the second F117 staggered back to base, but never flew again...so US does not count it...although by the rules of aerial warfare any plane that is written off due to enemy fire is counted as killed...]

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  147. mr meener says:
    @Haxo Angmark
    Trumpenthal will do nothing substantial about the Norks, because NK poses no threat to Israhell.

    and having largely refused to do Zion's dirty work in Syria, where Hezbollah, Russia, and Damascus have now routed Isramerica's pet Sunni terrorists, he thinks to appease the (((Beast))) by throwing it the Jerusalem bone...

    ...but that will not suffice. The (((Beast))), ex-Trotskyite communist Jew neo-conz and their uniparty shabbatz goyim, will push ever harder for an Isramerican/Saudi attack on Iran.

    and I hope (((they))) get what they want.

    I really do.

    NK does pose a fake threat to pissrael. remember George “magog” bush including NK in the axis of evil? Israel bombed Syria reactor 10 years ago killing 10 NK scientists.NK on the hit list. EVERYTHING we do in foreign policy is for the benefit of talmudia

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  148. @SolontoCroesus
    Some of us think that killing other people's children for fun and profit, and lying to obscure that agenda, do not reflect the highest and best aspects of civilization.

    SolontoCroesus,

    On the topic of killing of children, please look at article linked below which discusses the Corporate Media and it’s casting cold eye at the murder of Palestinian children.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/corporate-palestinian-children/

    Selah, “Bad Moon Rising” and Corporate Media “Moons” Palestinian Offspring.

    Thank you, S2C.

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  149. Zumbuddi says:
    @Fran Macadam
    We're all just hapless passengers on the Neocon Titanic, unable to influence what's playing out on the bridge. Steady as she goes on the unsinkable U.S.S.

    We the People have a responsibility to “storm the bridge” if that’s what it takes.

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  150. Zumbuddi says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    I do not have a time for you to explain things about you do not have a clue.
    Although there is one line in your comment that is true.
    Quick timeline.
    German army returned from front.
    They smashed the communist revolution and eliminated communist government.
    High command of the army decided that actions of myriad of different parties must be monitored.
    Rohm (Actully the name is R then o with two points on top and m) sent Hitler (actually his name was at that time still Hidlerchuk) to check out a small party of name National Socialist German worker party.
    Hitler did sign in as 47th member.
    Through oratory skills Hitler become more and more famous spoke to larger and larger crowd.
    And so he was attacked. His follower created armed guards and Hitler named the commander of this guards Rohm.
    Long time after Hitler become Chancellor of Germany.
    Army's general staff demanded that Rohm and his army of SA was dissolved.
    Rohm refused.
    The next followed what I have written.


    This is very simplified writing but I could not do otherwise.

    Thanks for the edumacation, but my question was, What’s your source?

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  151. Zumbuddi says:
    @utu
    Hidlerchuk????

    Ya learn something new everyday.
    Like, Hilderchuk, aka Hitler, became chancellor!
    Of Germany, of all places!

    Who knew?!!

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  152. @Astuteobservor II
    I can't wait to see if they would be stupid enough to attack Iran :) Nk is completely out of the question unless the orange hair can somehow convince the chinese to stand down from a military ally.

    it would blow up spectacularly in their faces.

    there are no more safe countries to invade so to speak. iran is back up by both china and russia. NK is untouchable because of china.

    I am 100% sure yemen will become hell on earth in 2018. that is now 5 countries usa has destroyed in 17 years. we are evil fucks.

    ” we are evil fucks.”

    Unless you’re among the evil fucks who are carrying out this agenda, you might want to disassociate yourself from that particular “we”. I don’t view these evil people in government as members of this country. To me, the country is the land and the people. The government is not the country, though they want to represent themselves as such.

    Some people like to blame the people of the US as being culpable because “we voted them in”. I don’t think that’s true of most of the people of the US. Elections are sham shows, conducted with predetermined outcomes, so the votes don’t actually matter. Nobody who participates in the voting has any input whatsoever into what is done by the so-called winners of these elections.

    The “we” that I see myself as a part of had nothing to do with the wars and other atrocious acts of government. I have no input into these decisions for war and have no influence at all on what is being done by the government and I don’t even accept that these atrocities have been committed in my name or for my benefit.

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    Rep. Scott Taylor, Repub. from Virginia's Eastern Shore, was on C Span this morning.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?438496-6/washington-journal-rep-scott-taylor-r-va-discusses-alabama-senate-race
    Callers held his feet to the fire on a number of issues, but not the one that he opened his prepared commentary with:

    Taylor said the House was working on an amendment (or some other quasi-legislative process) to separate defense funding from the two-week extensions on Spending Bill. He argued that it's essential that DoD have a known and secure stream of funding because "our troops are active in several theaters, and are in harms way."

    That's appalling.

    It directly undermines the most essential aspect of representative government, whether the USA should or should not wage war is a serious matter to be decided by the People via their representatives.

    Fiat money erased the constraint on war-making imposed by lack of funds; put it on the tab, pay it mañana.

    The fiction of "AUMF" granting the right for USA to wage war willy-nilly destroyed that check that the People had over war by erasing the necessity of declaring war.

    The last remaining check on US ability to wage war was congress's act to withhold funds to fight that war. Congress has, or plans to, abrogate that capability as well.

    Maybe Fran Macadam is right: We the People are powerless, just along for the ride -- and as collateral to the fiat money scam.

    ---
    PS Eleanor Holmes Norton also appeared on C Span this morning to advocate for all those wimmen who have been sexually harassed. It's as plain as the nose on your face that the masters of identity politics are creating yet another victim group: $MeToo.
    Ya, I know, it's supposed to be a #
    Who started that MeToo scam anyway?
    I don't get it: wimmen calling up and twittering and face booking about how they were harassed 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago is an "empowering movement?" It sounds like humiliation to me.
    E Michael Jones says some things that are off the wall, but he's spot on when he says that "Catholics [and a host of others] internalize the commands of their oppressors. We need to liberate ourselves from the Jewish super ego." https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/02/goy-guide-to-social-change.html

    PS again: Commenting on Roy Moore's loss, a woman from Alabama called to extol the "Christians" who stood up to the "immorality" Moore represented and declared that this proved Al. is MORAL.
    She went on to say that Alabama has a lot of military and Alabamans "support them their troops" aka paid killers.

    , @Astuteobservor II
    are you a citizen of usa? if so, you do not get to shirk the responsibility. yes you have done nothing wrong, but you are part of this country. there is no escape. the victims/citizens of those 5 countries would not care for the distinction. the military machine would not work without the support of the tax dollars.

    oh, the soldiers of my country is killing your citizens and destroying your country? it is their fault, not my fault. this is what you are saying. no one outside of usa would care about the distinction. especially not the victims in those 5 countries. in a way, trump is right. if we are going to bomb those countries, don't invite them too, that is just asking for trouble. but this move also destroys the facade/cover for the slaughter and destruction. that is why it is a big no no.

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  153. Rurik says:
    @anonymous
    It is satisfying to see how the pagan polytheist West's hatred of True Monotheism (the faith of Christ himself) and its adherents, is rotting its very soul.

    Perhaps this is what it means by "He works in mysterious ways"?

    It is satisfying to see how the pagan polytheist West’s hatred of True Monotheism (the faith of Christ himself) and its adherents, is rotting its very soul.

    my mother (a saint) was a devout Christian

    she too often lamented my lack of fealty to the church

    once I took her to a particularly beautiful church she was always fond of, and you could feel her heart just sink when the sermon was all about the evil Muslim king who had slaughtered Jewish babies back in the day, and the requirement that we all steel our resolve against the evil Muslims of today, who are again threatening the holy Jews in the holy land.

    she knew how I felt about bloodthirsty “Christian’ preachers exhorting their flocks to murder, in Christ’s name. It was a crushing moment for her, and one more reason for me to despise the agents of $atan at the pulpit, with the shekels clinking under their frocks as they sanctified mass-murder

    if there are some Christians somewhere who remember the words of the Christ

    “Blessed are the poor in spirit,

    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    Blessed are those who mourn,

    for they will be comforted.

    Blessed are the meek,

    for they will inherit the earth.

    Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,

    for they will be filled.

    Blessed are the merciful,

    for they will be shown mercy.

    Blessed are the pure in heart,

    for they will see God.

    Blessed are the peacemakers,

    for they will be called children of God.

    Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,

    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    then they are my spiritual brothers and sisters, regardless of what organized religion they happen to belong to, or not.

    I would posit to you sir, (or madam) that a true Christian would not feel “satisfaction” at all, at the ‘rotting of a soul’, but rather angst, and heartache

    The Christ was about love, and mercy, and forbearance and kindness and peace

    at least the One my mother taught me about, and such a Christ would always feel an open and infinite love, even for His wayward children.

    I hope you find a way for His message to melt away some of the rancor and hatred in your own heart

    God bless

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  154. FB says:
    @anon
    Thanks for the informative answer.
    I have very little knowledge of the technicalities of these systems, but you look like you know your stuff.

    Glad to help…the pop-sci media makes no effort to explain how technology actually works…especially crucial tech like aviation, missiles etc…

    Thus the public is denied knowledge of things that they need to know…

    As for A2/AD…there is a little more to it than just what I mentioned already…

    Those big, mobile missile launchers and radars are also protected by smaller air defense systems designed to knock down any radar-homing HARM missiles that manage to get through…

    In the case of Russian SAM [surface to air missile] systems…this job is handled by the small and mobile Pantsir-S1…

    Here you can see three Pantsirs on the move…the flat-screen type device on the top is its own phased array radar…

    This is a class of weapon known as point defense systems…warships have similar systems to knock down incoming anti-ship missiles…

    They shoot small missiles as well as large caliber, high rate of fire artillery at incoming missiles…such as Harms…but also are very effective against cruise missiles…such as the US Tomahawk land-attack cruise missile…[TLAM]

    It is important to note however that TLAMs are NOT used against mobile air defense systems…for the simple reason that TLAMs are pre-programmed to hit a stationary target…they lack a homing radar to identify and hit a moving target…[like the Harms have]

    So…all told the mobile ground based air defenses have the advantage because they can carry much bigger and thus more powerful radars and missiles than any combat aircraft could possibly get off the ground…this is the simple physics part…

    We have not yet seen any kind of SEAD operation where modern US and Nato combat jets have tried to take on such a system…and we probably won’t…as Breedlove hinted it would be a game of trying to overwhelm those ground defenses with sheer numbers…

    ‘…We have the tools, but we do not have nearly enough of them—and the speed that we would need to eliminate these A2/AD bubbles—to be able to deploy our forces is going to be controlled by the depth of the bench of how we can attack those A2/AD forces…’

    In other words…trying to take out one of the A2/AD ‘bubbles’ is going to take a lot of aircraft…and a lot of them are going to get shot down…it becomes a numbers game…if you can throw several hundred aircraft at one denial zone…you might actually succeed in disabling it…but the cost will be very high…

    …perhaps crippling…

    That’s why Breedlove is suggesting Ground-Based means of tackling these A2/AD zones…ie ground launched missiles that have the standoff range [ie their launchers can be placed outside the range of the enemy SAMs]…AND the ability to home in and hit those air defense radars…

    But that’s a tall order…first you have to know where those truck-mounted and highly mobile radars and launchers are hiding…

    Many people have the idea that satellites can read a license plate…but that’s on tv…not in real life…

    A satellite image resolution of 16 inches means that one single pixel on your screen contains an area of 16 x 16 inches…[btw a resolution of 16 inches is VERY high]…

    If you have a standard HD screen of 1950 x 1080…that’s a total of just over 2 million pixels on that screen in front of you…and each one of those represents 16 x 16 inches…

    I give a more detailed explanation of how satellite resolution works here…

    There is another problem with spy satellites that people do not realize…you can’t just fly them wherever you want and have them stay there looking down…

    Satellites that can spy on the earth surface have to be in low earth orbit…ie about 100 to 200 miles above the earth…

    In order to stay aloft…they must move around the earth at a speed of about 17,000 mph…[that's the orbital velocity that is required for a satellite at this height to stay in orbit...

    ie at this speed the satellite's centrifugal force is in equilibrium with the earth's gravity force...which means it will keep circling the earth...think of the hammer throw in Olympics...the guy spins a heavy ball on a chain around and around and then lets it go to make it go as far as possible...

    While he is holding on to it...the spinning of that heavy ball creates a centrifugal force that increases with the rotational velocity...ie the faster he can spin...the more centrifugal force trying to pull that ball away...

    The chain is like earth's gravity...holding the ball from flying away...as long as he is holding on...the two forces are in equilibrium...as per Newton's Third Law of action and equal and opposite reaction...

    It's the same with an orbiting satellite...you want it to have just the right speed where its centrifugal force exactly matches the earth gravitational pull...the two forces are the in equilibrium and it then stays in that circling pattern...

    the right speed for this is about 17,000 mph as mentioned...this means that satellite circles the earth every 90 minutes or so...

    So how is it going to see every spot on earth...?

    the answer is that the sat must fly in an orbit that goes from pole to pole...ie a polar orbit...

    This lets the satellite camera takes pictures as the earth spins east to west beneath it...

    It can therefore cover every spot on earth with each complete rotation of the earth...ie every 24 hours...

    So even if you can spot those camouflaged radars and launchers on any particular satellite pass...it will have 24 hours to move somewhere else...it can pack up and move in a few minutes...here's what a camo SAM radar looks like...

    So that's the reality...it's not like on tv or the movies...

    There is more on this subject of air defenses vs air attack...including the issue of 'stealth'...which is not well understood by the public...and does not actually work very well...as the Serbs demonstrated in 1999...shooting down TWO F117 'Nighthawk' 'stealth' aircraft with 1950s era Soviet equipment...

    [the second F117 staggered back to base, but never flew again...so US does not count it...although by the rules of aerial warfare any plane that is written off due to enemy fire is counted as killed...]

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  155. @Rurik

    It is satisfying to see how the pagan polytheist West’s hatred of True Monotheism (the faith of Christ himself) and its adherents, is rotting its very soul.
     
    my mother (a saint) was a devout Christian

    she too often lamented my lack of fealty to the church

    once I took her to a particularly beautiful church she was always fond of, and you could feel her heart just sink when the sermon was all about the evil Muslim king who had slaughtered Jewish babies back in the day, and the requirement that we all steel our resolve against the evil Muslims of today, who are again threatening the holy Jews in the holy land.

    she knew how I felt about bloodthirsty "Christian' preachers exhorting their flocks to murder, in Christ's name. It was a crushing moment for her, and one more reason for me to despise the agents of $atan at the pulpit, with the shekels clinking under their frocks as they sanctified mass-murder

    if there are some Christians somewhere who remember the words of the Christ

    “Blessed are the poor in spirit,

    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    Blessed are those who mourn,

    for they will be comforted.

    Blessed are the meek,

    for they will inherit the earth.

    Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,

    for they will be filled.

    Blessed are the merciful,

    for they will be shown mercy.

    Blessed are the pure in heart,

    for they will see God.

    Blessed are the peacemakers,

    for they will be called children of God.

    Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,

    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    then they are my spiritual brothers and sisters, regardless of what organized religion they happen to belong to, or not.

    I would posit to you sir, (or madam) that a true Christian would not feel "satisfaction" at all, at the 'rotting of a soul', but rather angst, and heartache

    The Christ was about love, and mercy, and forbearance and kindness and peace

    at least the One my mother taught me about, and such a Christ would always feel an open and infinite love, even for His wayward children.

    I hope you find a way for His message to melt away some of the rancor and hatred in your own heart

    God bless

    wow

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    as Jacque Sheete once observed..

    coming from you sir, that is high praise

    humbly... I say

    Peace and God bless

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  156. Rurik says:
    @peterAUS
    Well...how about this:

    If that war can bring a meaningful paid employment to the core Trump's base, that war will happen within Trump's term.

    I tried to get some response along that line here, but, nothing of substance so far.

    These articles will keep popping up, so, I'll keep popping up the question.
    In time............

    If that war can bring a meaningful paid employment to the core Trump’s base, that war will happen within Trump’s term.

    Trump (and Obama and Dubya and Nixon and JFK and Woodrow and FDR…) were all elected as a repudiation of evil wars for the profit and amusement of evil men.

    I suppose there are some souls so lost that they’d go along with war for reasons of personal gain, but I suspect they’re equally represented in both the party of Tweedle Dee and Dumb, that make of the ZUS political system.

    The American people do not want these wars. That is obvious, and why the (((media))) is so frenzied with Hollywood movies and relentless lies to cajole us all into hating the evil Muslim ‘terrorists’ whose nations and people we’ve been dropping bombs on and destroying like they were some kind of threat to the ZUSA.

    Trump’s base are not blood-thirsty goons and soulless murderers. What they are is lied to, relentlessly, 24/7, 365. And even then the American people rose up against bombing Syria, all the lies notwithstanding, and said NO!

    One of the major reasons the conservative, Christians and Republicans voted for Trump in the primaries, were because the alternatives were all neocon stooges, and that meant more and more wars, and more Gitmo, and more torture and more sniveling, abject fealty to Israel in all things.

    We said No’ to all that. Trump was supposed to be different. America first, (for the first time in my life). Rather than Israel first and second and third…

    Now that Trump is acting all neocon, (in direct opposition to his base!), it simply looks like the deepstate simply is too powerful to ignore.

    I don’t believe that Trump is ideologically committed to Zionism in all things, but that for him to function in Washington, DC, it’s simply necessary to accept the realities.

    ((They)) control our money supply. And that means they control our media, our universities and our courts and have insinuated themselves over our police departments and even, (as I’ve just been pointing out) our churches.

    There are realities on the ground that simply can not be ignored, and that is why Trump is moving the embassy and other abominations to decency.

    But if he appoints Tom Cotton to head the CIA, then that will absolutely be a bridge too far for me.

    That will mean that all bets are off, and that he’s gone full blown neocon.

    Which will mean that he has decided to tell his base to ‘fuck off, eat shit and die’, and now it’s Trump vs. the people who put him in office. IMHO

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    Disagree.

    I do not buy, for a second, that assessment of yours.

    People who really don't like/want something do a bit more than just cast a vote, tweet, post and keep doing what they are told.
    Feels as soothing a guilty conscience.
    "I tried to do something about it, ah, well, didn't make a difference, OK".

    Doesn't work that way I am afraid.

    Call me cynic but I believe that most of people who are against war in US/West aren't because of imperial reasons and horrors inflicted on other people.
    They are against because they don't get the spoils of war as they expected/expect.
    Yes, I know how this sounds and I stay behind it.

    I'll start to believe that your assesment is right and I'll admit I was/am wrong when:
    Should US initiate war against Iran we see MASSIVE demonstrations across US. Not peaceful but with a lot of violence.
    When tens of thousands of career soldiers/sailors/marines refuse to participate regardless of court martial.
    When people working in war related industries go on strikes regardless of consequences.

    And I have a suspicion that nothing of a sort will happen.
    , @Joe Levantine
    "And even then the American people rose up against bombing Syria, all the lies notwithstanding, and said NO!"
    While I do not contest the reaction of the American people, let us look at the global picture here to understand why Obama's war against Syria was thwarted.
    IMHO, I think those who did not want the U.S. to put a quick and decisive end to the war in Syria were the Israelis. It has always been a standard Isreali policy to consider as part of their private domain the counties of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Egypt. When the U.S. ventured into Lebanon in 1982/1983, the American administration had in mind to put some permanent basis in Lebanon. This aim dissipated after two suicidal attacks against the American Embassy in early 1893 and against the American Marines barrack and the French Legionaires barrack in late 1983. Both attacks were executed by the Old Hezbollah which was at the time an Isreali creation headed by one Subhi Al Tofaily, who was an Israeli agent or patsy. These two attacks were another version of USS Liberty intended for the sole purpose of getting rid of U.S. presence in Lebanon.
    The Zionist controlled U.S. media's coverage of the American public's opposition to an American involvement in Syria was very much hyped up by the Zionist media to keep the Americans forces at bay. This would allow the Isrealis to prolong the war in Syria and destroy whatever was left of this country and proceed with their hidden aim of a Greater Israel. So yes indeed there was a public opposition to the war against Syria but the war did not happen out of deference to the American public but due to Israel's influence on the U.S.
    Back to the eighties, the tables were turned against Isreal with the new Hizbollah that came into existence after Iran realised what the Isreali game of creating radical Islamic movements ( Hamas and Hizbollah) was meant to further divide the Middle Eastern societies along sectarian lines. So the Iranians staged a coup against the first Hizbollah leader and replaced him by the implacable Al Mussawi who started a guerrilla warfare against the Israeli occupation of Lebanon, was subsequently assassinated by the Israelis, to be replaced by the current Hassan Nasrullah who managed to get the Israelis out of Lebanon in 2000 and to inflict a humiliating defeat against the Isreali Offense Forces in 2006.
    So you may ask what is the relevance of this historic recount of the Middle East; well, all that has been mentioned above proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the only language that could yield a desirable result when negotiating with Isrealis, is the language of force. Since the American government is owned stock, lock and barrel by the Zionists, I very much doubt that soft opposition by the American public would yield any result. I think most Americans are too insouciant and comfortable to really put a hardheaded resistance to their government's Imperial wars of choice. May be when, and not if, the U.S. economy collapses as a result of the unprecedented monetary policy of the Zionist Federal Reserve Bank, Americans having lost almost everything will be in a more rebellious mode. Yet, even in such a scenario we can never underestimate the resolve of the dogs of the establishment whom I would suspect will not hesitate to declare martial law and turn their heavy guns against their own population. Heck, if the father of the nation George Washington did it during the so called Whiskey Rebellion, then the far less principled current leaders of the deep state and the shadow government will not hesitate to shed the blood of their citizens.

    "((They)) control our money supply. And that means they control our media, our universities and our courts and have insinuated themselves over our police departments and even, (as I’ve just been pointing out) our churches."
    Nice summary to a very true and sad fact. What hurts most is their control of the Catholic Church that is supposed to be last bastion of resistance. Seeing how the church leaders tow the Holocaust line tells so much about how much cowardice and corruption have permeated the church whose initiators were all martyred for the sake of their beliefs.
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  157. L.K says:

    In his book “Understanding Jewish Influence – A Study in Ethnic Activism”, Prof. MacDonald writes in Chapter 3, which addresses Neoconservatism;

    Are neoconservatives different from other conservatives? Is neoconservatism a Jewish movement?…
    The thesis presented here is that neoconservatism is indeed a Jewish intellectual and political movement. [...]

    They have aggressively pursued their goals, not only in purging more traditional conservatives from their positions of power and influence, but also in reorienting US foreign policy in the direction of hegemony and empire.
    Neoconservatism also illustrates the central theme of the second article in this series: In alliance with virtually the entire organized American Jewish community, neoconservatism is a vanguard Jewish movement with close ties to the most extreme nationalistic, aggressive, racialist and religiously fanatic elements within Israel.2 …

    Neoconservatism is better described in general as a complex interlocking professional and family network centered around Jewish publicists and organizers flexibly deployed to recruit the sympathies of both Jews and non-Jews in harnessing the wealth and power of the United States in the service of Israel. As such, neoconservatism should be considered a semicovert branch of the massive and highly effective pro-Israel lobby, which includes organizations like the America Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)—the most powerful lobbying group in Washington—and the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA). Indeed, as discussed below, prominent neoconservatives have been associated with such overtly pro-Israel organizations as the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), and ZOA. [...]

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  158. Vidi says:
    @JustJeff
    Well the Jews have won, hands down. Time to find some new websites to read cause this is just getting depressing.

    Well the Jews have won, hands down. Time to find some new websites to read cause this is just getting depressing.

    No, the Jews haven’t won. In fact, they are losing. The proof is that Trump is president, not Hillary — in spite of nearly nonstop assault on Trump before Nov 2016 by the mainstream media. It’s clear that roughly half of the American people are unconvinced, to put it mildly, by the mainstream propaganda; this percentage can only increase, as their lies become more desperate and blatant.

    Of course, since the inauguration they seem to have taken over what passes for Trump’s brain. But this too will pass. The neocon peak was the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan; since then, their ability to start another war for Israel’s benefit has sharply declined. They are now reduced to using indirect methods (i.e. Jerusalem) to sucker the U.S. into another war. They can’t do it directly any more. As I said, they are losing: their influence is waning fast.

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    American people are unconvinced, to put it mildly, by the mainstream propaganda; this percentage can only increase, as their lies become more desperate and blatant.

     

    Very true. The goyim know.

    Less Than 1 In 3 Trust Mainstream Media, Martin Armstrong Warns "Their End Is Near"
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-01/less-1-3-trust-mainstream-media-martin-armstrong-warns-their-end-near

    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/12/01/20161201_gallup.jpg
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  159. Rurik says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    wow

    as Jacque Sheete once observed..

    coming from you sir, that is high praise

    humbly… I say

    Peace and God bless

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    '...once I took her to a particularly beautiful church she was always fond of, and you could feel her heart just sink when the sermon was all about the evil Muslim king who had slaughtered Jewish babies back in the day, and the requirement that we all steel our resolve against the evil Muslims of today, who are again threatening the holy Jews in the holy land...'
     
    That rang a bell with me and my recent church experience...

    Our pastor seemed like a decent enough guy...and then one day we get the news that he had got a military commission as a Chaplain...rank of Major...our church magazine had him on the cover in his fancy uniform...

    I figured whatever...

    But then I noticed him slipping in some sneaky messaging...during prayer he would start praying for our 'troops in harm's way' while saying nothing about the people of Afghanistan who were burying babies in tiny coffins and wailing 'Allahu Akbar'...

    Surely these people love their children as much as any other parent...

    And it just rubbed me the wrong way...

    One day I just stood up and walked my family out in the middle of one of his 'prayers'...

    He noticed this and our further absences from services and came a calling...I told him flat out that I sympathize with those poor people who were getting trampled on and that I felt that politics had no place in church...much the less the military...

    I reminded him that Jesus was called the "Prince of Peace'...not war...

    he had nothing to say...he just got up and left my house...

    But an interesting little side story that happened a couple years previous to this...while we were still going to church...[and forking over dough...which seems to be what it's all about...]

    He had called me up and asked me to come and meet with him...he explained to me how it came to be that he got his commission and that it was all part of him getting his PhD...which the military was paying for...

    I said great...sounds like a sweet deal...what with the cost of higher education...plus being an 'instant' officer and eventually getting an officer's pension and all that...

    Well here's the kicker...turns out Mr. Preacher had a big problem...

    Turns out he had been procrastinating big-time on his dissertation...and he needed to start putting some material together for his interim report...

    I asked him what he had so far...he said, 'absolutely not a single word...'

    This after about two years had already passed by...his excuse was that he had so much on his plate...yeah right...the guy only showed up to preach about once a month...delegating the sermons to some of his hangers-on among the congregation...guest preachers etc...

    I thought to myself what the heck does this guy do with his time...?...his Chaplain duties were likewise pretty trivial...

    So he came to the point and asked if I would help him...[incidentally I had loaned him, months previously, several rather expensive books which he had never returned]

    I said sure...let's talk about what we can do together...and how I can help you...

    he said he would be willing to pay me...but I assured him I could not do any such thing as it would be unethical...I could help him as a friend...discuss ideas...review his material etc etc...I would not hesitate to commit whatever time he needed to get his thesis going...

    But that's not what he had in mind...

    Quite incredibly...he came right out and told me exactly what he wanted...he wanted me to write his entire thesis for him and he would just cut me a check...whatever amount I felt was appropriate...

    Needless to say I was quite taken aback by this...I felt like I needed a shower...

    And this is a so-called 'pastor' leading a flock...?

    Talk about a totally corrupted individual...no ethics whatsoever...

    I had never been much on church anyway...but felt it was a good family thing...what with all the moral decay and all...

    I had been willing to overlook his 'mistake' about trying to engage me in unethical behavior...but his subsequent militarizing of church service was the last straw...

    I said to hell with this bozo and called him and asked for my books back...I would have let him keep them...I actually had no prior intention of asking for them back...but he was just such a slimeball that he didn't deserve a simple kindness...

    He never even bothered to bring them to my house...I had to go chase him down...

    That's organized religion for you...I have to believe that they are all the same...in my case Protestant...in others Catholic, Jewish...whatever...

    I do have some Orthodox Christian friends and have been to their church services and it is quite ornate and ceremonial...and the few sermons I got to hear were really quite inspiring...and completely devoid of politics or any other 'worldliness'...

    Apparently Brother Nathaniel is an Orthodox...and my impression of this religion has been the most positive so far...

    But I do not intend to ever get my family involved in any religion again...to heck with it...not worth the trouble...
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  160. @Twodees Partain
    " we are evil fucks."

    Unless you're among the evil fucks who are carrying out this agenda, you might want to disassociate yourself from that particular "we". I don't view these evil people in government as members of this country. To me, the country is the land and the people. The government is not the country, though they want to represent themselves as such.

    Some people like to blame the people of the US as being culpable because "we voted them in". I don't think that's true of most of the people of the US. Elections are sham shows, conducted with predetermined outcomes, so the votes don't actually matter. Nobody who participates in the voting has any input whatsoever into what is done by the so-called winners of these elections.

    The "we" that I see myself as a part of had nothing to do with the wars and other atrocious acts of government. I have no input into these decisions for war and have no influence at all on what is being done by the government and I don't even accept that these atrocities have been committed in my name or for my benefit.

    Rep. Scott Taylor, Repub. from Virginia’s Eastern Shore, was on C Span this morning.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?438496-6/washington-journal-rep-scott-taylor-r-va-discusses-alabama-senate-race

    Callers held his feet to the fire on a number of issues, but not the one that he opened his prepared commentary with:

    Taylor said the House was working on an amendment (or some other quasi-legislative process) to separate defense funding from the two-week extensions on Spending Bill. He argued that it’s essential that DoD have a known and secure stream of funding because “our troops are active in several theaters, and are in harms way.”

    That’s appalling.

    It directly undermines the most essential aspect of representative government, whether the USA should or should not wage war is a serious matter to be decided by the People via their representatives.

    Fiat money erased the constraint on war-making imposed by lack of funds; put it on the tab, pay it mañana.

    The fiction of “AUMF” granting the right for USA to wage war willy-nilly destroyed that check that the People had over war by erasing the necessity of declaring war.

    The last remaining check on US ability to wage war was congress’s act to withhold funds to fight that war. Congress has, or plans to, abrogate that capability as well.

    Maybe Fran Macadam is right: We the People are powerless, just along for the ride — and as collateral to the fiat money scam.


    PS Eleanor Holmes Norton also appeared on C Span this morning to advocate for all those wimmen who have been sexually harassed. It’s as plain as the nose on your face that the masters of identity politics are creating yet another victim group: $MeToo.
    Ya, I know, it’s supposed to be a #
    Who started that MeToo scam anyway?
    I don’t get it: wimmen calling up and twittering and face booking about how they were harassed 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago is an “empowering movement?” It sounds like humiliation to me.
    E Michael Jones says some things that are off the wall, but he’s spot on when he says that “Catholics [and a host of others] internalize the commands of their oppressors. We need to liberate ourselves from the Jewish super ego.” https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/02/goy-guide-to-social-change.html

    PS again: Commenting on Roy Moore’s loss, a woman from Alabama called to extol the “Christians” who stood up to the “immorality” Moore represented and declared that this proved Al. is MORAL.
    She went on to say that Alabama has a lot of military and Alabamans “support them their troops” aka paid killers.

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    She went on to say that Alabama has a lot of military and Alabamans “support them their troops” aka paid killers.
     
    and so they voted for a Democrat

    as a repudiation of Trump

    isn't it funny how when Trump sent Tomahawks (to a empty airstrip in Syria) that all in the sudden Chucky Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and the Dems and liberal/progressive media were hailing him as a statesman?

    even the uber-liberal Prime Minister Trudeau issued a statement expressing full support: “President Assad’s use of chemical weapons and the crimes the Syrian regime has committed against its own people cannot be ignored.”

    Senator Elizabeth Warren: “Syrian regime must be held accountable”

    Hillary: “I really believe that we should have, and still should take out his airfields and prevent him from being able to use them to bomb innocent people”

    Senator Bill Nelson: it will teach “Assad not to use chemical weapons again.”

    it seems the only people more militant than the typical Alabama voter is the super-liberal Barbara Streisand

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2-icjXUhgJM/Uxkw4ujrCcI/AAAAAAAAAlk/SDG34rzbmXQ/s1600/1635400-5.jpg

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  161. L.K says:

    In his book “Understanding Jewish Influence – A Study in Ethnic Activism”, Prof. MacDonald writes in Chapter 3, which addresses Neoconservatism:

    Neoconservatism also reflects many of the characteristics of Jewish intellectual movements studied in my book, The Culture of Critique[3](see Table 1).

    • A deep concern with furthering specific Jewish interests, such as helping Israel or promoting immigration.

    • Issues are framed in a rhetoric of universalism rather than Jewish particularism.

    • Issues are framed in moral terms, and an attitude of moral superiority pervades the movement.

    • Centered around charismatic leaders (Boas, Trotsky, Freud).

    • Jews form a cohesive, mutually reinforcing core.

    • Non-Jews appear in highly visible roles, often as spokespersons for the movement.

    • A pronounced ingroup/outgroup atmosphere within the movement— dissenters are portrayed as the personification of evil and are expunged from the movement.

    • The movement is irrational in the sense that it is fundamentally concerned with using available intellectual resources to advance a political cause.

    • The movement is associated with the most prestigious academic institutions in the society.

    • Access to prestigious and mainstream media sources, partly as a result of Jewish influence on the media.

    • Active involvement of the wider Jewish community in supporting the movement.

    Notice one of the points is that non-Jews appear in highly visible roles in Jewish movements. Prof. MacDonald writes on this issue;

    NON-JEWISH PARTICIPATION IN NEOCONSERVATISM

    As with the other Jewish intellectual and political movements, non-Jews have been welcomed into the movement and often given highly visible roles as the public face of the movement. This of course lessens the perception that the movement is indeed a Jewish movement, and it makes excellent psychological sense to have the spokespersons for any movement resemble the people they are trying to convince. That’s why Ahmed Chalabi (a Shiite Iraqi, a student of early neocon theorist Albert Wohlstetter, and a close personal associate of prominent neocons, including Richard Perle) was the neocons’ choice to lead postwar Iraq.12

    There are many examples—including Freud’s famous comments on needing a non-Jew to represent psychoanalysis (he got Carl Jung for a time until Jung balked at the role, and then Ernest Jones). Margaret Mead and Ruth Benedict were the most publicly recognized Boasian anthropologists, and there were a great many non-Jewish leftists and pro-immigration advocates who were promoted to visible positions in Jewish dominated movements—and sometimes resented their role.13 Albert Lindemann describes non-Jews among the leaders of the Bolshevik revolution as “jewified non-Jews” ….

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    Hey L.K.

    You are in no need for undergrad work, but I pass on Uri Avnery's article below, "Emperor and King. As Israel has more freedom of press than ZUSA, I initially checked at Haarretz & read the 1st paragrsph.

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1512137281

    Thanks as always.

    P.S. Am hoping for Brother Nathanael's appearance at U.R.
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  162. @LondonBob
    I assume the old Bush the Elder realists no longer exist. Sadly I think everything is so geared up to perpetual war in America that only bankruptcy will stop it. On the plus side now Obama is no longer the front man Europe and the rest will increasingly go their own way, as I expect they would had Clinton won as well.

    By “Bush the Elder realists”, do you mean Trotskyite neocon lunatics or rank and file CIA wetworkers? There are still plenty of those types gnawing away like rats everywhere you look.

    “Bush the Elder realists” indeed. Is Henry Kissinger one of those realists?

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  163. Rurik says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Rep. Scott Taylor, Repub. from Virginia's Eastern Shore, was on C Span this morning.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?438496-6/washington-journal-rep-scott-taylor-r-va-discusses-alabama-senate-race
    Callers held his feet to the fire on a number of issues, but not the one that he opened his prepared commentary with:

    Taylor said the House was working on an amendment (or some other quasi-legislative process) to separate defense funding from the two-week extensions on Spending Bill. He argued that it's essential that DoD have a known and secure stream of funding because "our troops are active in several theaters, and are in harms way."

    That's appalling.

    It directly undermines the most essential aspect of representative government, whether the USA should or should not wage war is a serious matter to be decided by the People via their representatives.

    Fiat money erased the constraint on war-making imposed by lack of funds; put it on the tab, pay it mañana.

    The fiction of "AUMF" granting the right for USA to wage war willy-nilly destroyed that check that the People had over war by erasing the necessity of declaring war.

    The last remaining check on US ability to wage war was congress's act to withhold funds to fight that war. Congress has, or plans to, abrogate that capability as well.

    Maybe Fran Macadam is right: We the People are powerless, just along for the ride -- and as collateral to the fiat money scam.

    ---
    PS Eleanor Holmes Norton also appeared on C Span this morning to advocate for all those wimmen who have been sexually harassed. It's as plain as the nose on your face that the masters of identity politics are creating yet another victim group: $MeToo.
    Ya, I know, it's supposed to be a #
    Who started that MeToo scam anyway?
    I don't get it: wimmen calling up and twittering and face booking about how they were harassed 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago is an "empowering movement?" It sounds like humiliation to me.
    E Michael Jones says some things that are off the wall, but he's spot on when he says that "Catholics [and a host of others] internalize the commands of their oppressors. We need to liberate ourselves from the Jewish super ego." https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/02/goy-guide-to-social-change.html

    PS again: Commenting on Roy Moore's loss, a woman from Alabama called to extol the "Christians" who stood up to the "immorality" Moore represented and declared that this proved Al. is MORAL.
    She went on to say that Alabama has a lot of military and Alabamans "support them their troops" aka paid killers.

    She went on to say that Alabama has a lot of military and Alabamans “support them their troops” aka paid killers.

    and so they voted for a Democrat

    as a repudiation of Trump

    isn’t it funny how when Trump sent Tomahawks (to a empty airstrip in Syria) that all in the sudden Chucky Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and the Dems and liberal/progressive media were hailing him as a statesman?

    even the uber-liberal Prime Minister Trudeau issued a statement expressing full support: “President Assad’s use of chemical weapons and the crimes the Syrian regime has committed against its own people cannot be ignored.”

    Senator Elizabeth Warren: “Syrian regime must be held accountable”

    Hillary: “I really believe that we should have, and still should take out his airfields and prevent him from being able to use them to bomb innocent people”

    Senator Bill Nelson: it will teach “Assad not to use chemical weapons again.”

    it seems the only people more militant than the typical Alabama voter is the super-liberal Barbara Streisand

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  164. peterAUS says:
    @ctail
    US citizens have more glands than neurons. The scenario is: that USA attacks; then Iran responds---perhaps even taking out an aircraft carrier. Then the USA totally ignores that they attacked first and the only thing they publicize is the horror and tragedy of the US loss---and suddenly in the MSM "USA is merely defending itself".... It is all standard fare: USA starts @ t=zero when it is convenient for their narrative, For Iran t=0 is the embassy hostage incident.

    US citizens have more glands than neurons. The scenario is: that USA attacks; then Iran responds—perhaps even taking out an aircraft carrier. Then the USA totally ignores that they attacked first and the only thing they publicize is the horror and tragedy of the US loss—and suddenly in the MSM “USA is merely defending itself”…. It is all standard fare: USA starts @ t=zero when it is convenient for their narrative, For Iran t=0 is the embassy hostage incident.

    Agree that such event would be used/exploited as you say. Definitely.
    But, on a technical level, as I’ve pointed out several times on this site, it’s not that easy, for a country as Iran, to sink an US aircraft carrier.
    I could envisage sinking a destroyer, or even a cruiser. Although the event wouldn’t have exactly the same emotional impact a proper (sic) MSM campaign would also work well.

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  165. peterAUS says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Some of us think that killing other people's children for fun and profit, and lying to obscure that agenda, do not reflect the highest and best aspects of civilization.

    I don’t quite know who, exactly, is behind all these handles on this site but, somehow, doubt any of them (including me of course) has any position of power in US Administration.

    Are we discussing here our moral stance or a certain possibility?

    Are we here to signal our moral values and feel good about it, or, to try to predict what’s going to happen around us?
    At least 10 % of posters here. I know what the rest of 90 % are here for.

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  166. @L.K
    In his book "Understanding Jewish Influence - A Study in Ethnic Activism", Prof. MacDonald writes in Chapter 3, which addresses Neoconservatism:

    Neoconservatism also reflects many of the characteristics of Jewish intellectual movements studied in my book, The Culture of Critique[3](see Table 1).

    • A deep concern with furthering specific Jewish interests, such as helping Israel or promoting immigration.

    • Issues are framed in a rhetoric of universalism rather than Jewish particularism.

    • Issues are framed in moral terms, and an attitude of moral superiority pervades the movement.

    • Centered around charismatic leaders (Boas, Trotsky, Freud).

    • Jews form a cohesive, mutually reinforcing core.

    • Non-Jews appear in highly visible roles, often as spokespersons for the movement.

    • A pronounced ingroup/outgroup atmosphere within the movement— dissenters are portrayed as the personification of evil and are expunged from the movement.

    • The movement is irrational in the sense that it is fundamentally concerned with using available intellectual resources to advance a political cause.

    • The movement is associated with the most prestigious academic institutions in the society.

    • Access to prestigious and mainstream media sources, partly as a result of Jewish influence on the media.

    • Active involvement of the wider Jewish community in supporting the movement.
     
    Notice one of the points is that non-Jews appear in highly visible roles in Jewish movements. Prof. MacDonald writes on this issue;

    NON-JEWISH PARTICIPATION IN NEOCONSERVATISM

    As with the other Jewish intellectual and political movements, non-Jews have been welcomed into the movement and often given highly visible roles as the public face of the movement. This of course lessens the perception that the movement is indeed a Jewish movement, and it makes excellent psychological sense to have the spokespersons for any movement resemble the people they are trying to convince. That’s why Ahmed Chalabi (a Shiite Iraqi, a student of early neocon theorist Albert Wohlstetter, and a close personal associate of prominent neocons, including Richard Perle) was the neocons’ choice to lead postwar Iraq.12

    There are many examples—including Freud’s famous comments on needing a non-Jew to represent psychoanalysis (he got Carl Jung for a time until Jung balked at the role, and then Ernest Jones). Margaret Mead and Ruth Benedict were the most publicly recognized Boasian anthropologists, and there were a great many non-Jewish leftists and pro-immigration advocates who were promoted to visible positions in Jewish dominated movements—and sometimes resented their role.13 Albert Lindemann describes non-Jews among the leaders of the Bolshevik revolution as “jewified non-Jews” ....

     

    Hey L.K.

    You are in no need for undergrad work, but I pass on Uri Avnery’s article below, “Emperor and King. As Israel has more freedom of press than ZUSA, I initially checked at Haarretz & read the 1st paragrsph.

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1512137281

    Thanks as always.

    P.S. Am hoping for Brother Nathanael’s appearance at U.R.

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    Hey Chuck,

    Thanks for the link;

    Take a look at these:

    Robert Martin is an Australian activist who has visited occupied Palestine.
    Abed al-Rahman Shadi Obeidallah, 12 was killed by a sniper at Aida refugee camp
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GnXhClM6j8

    Israel abuse children everyday and have done for years
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB8Pg4IkPsI

    My weekend in Palestine
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WXS8ZAHdNw
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  167. peterAUS says:
    @Rurik

    If that war can bring a meaningful paid employment to the core Trump’s base, that war will happen within Trump’s term.
     
    Trump (and Obama and Dubya and Nixon and JFK and Woodrow and FDR...) were all elected as a repudiation of evil wars for the profit and amusement of evil men.

    I suppose there are some souls so lost that they'd go along with war for reasons of personal gain, but I suspect they're equally represented in both the party of Tweedle Dee and Dumb, that make of the ZUS political system.

    The American people do not want these wars. That is obvious, and why the (((media))) is so frenzied with Hollywood movies and relentless lies to cajole us all into hating the evil Muslim 'terrorists' whose nations and people we've been dropping bombs on and destroying like they were some kind of threat to the ZUSA.

    Trump's base are not blood-thirsty goons and soulless murderers. What they are is lied to, relentlessly, 24/7, 365. And even then the American people rose up against bombing Syria, all the lies notwithstanding, and said NO!

    One of the major reasons the conservative, Christians and Republicans voted for Trump in the primaries, were because the alternatives were all neocon stooges, and that meant more and more wars, and more Gitmo, and more torture and more sniveling, abject fealty to Israel in all things.

    We said No' to all that. Trump was supposed to be different. America first, (for the first time in my life). Rather than Israel first and second and third...

    Now that Trump is acting all neocon, (in direct opposition to his base!), it simply looks like the deepstate simply is too powerful to ignore.

    I don't believe that Trump is ideologically committed to Zionism in all things, but that for him to function in Washington, DC, it's simply necessary to accept the realities.

    ((They)) control our money supply. And that means they control our media, our universities and our courts and have insinuated themselves over our police departments and even, (as I've just been pointing out) our churches.

    There are realities on the ground that simply can not be ignored, and that is why Trump is moving the embassy and other abominations to decency.

    But if he appoints Tom Cotton to head the CIA, then that will absolutely be a bridge too far for me.

    That will mean that all bets are off, and that he's gone full blown neocon.

    Which will mean that he has decided to tell his base to 'fuck off, eat shit and die', and now it's Trump vs. the people who put him in office. IMHO

    Disagree.

    I do not buy, for a second, that assessment of yours.

    People who really don’t like/want something do a bit more than just cast a vote, tweet, post and keep doing what they are told.
    Feels as soothing a guilty conscience.
    “I tried to do something about it, ah, well, didn’t make a difference, OK”.

    Doesn’t work that way I am afraid.

    Call me cynic but I believe that most of people who are against war in US/West aren’t because of imperial reasons and horrors inflicted on other people.
    They are against because they don’t get the spoils of war as they expected/expect.
    Yes, I know how this sounds and I stay behind it.

    I’ll start to believe that your assesment is right and I’ll admit I was/am wrong when:
    Should US initiate war against Iran we see MASSIVE demonstrations across US. Not peaceful but with a lot of violence.
    When tens of thousands of career soldiers/sailors/marines refuse to participate regardless of court martial.
    When people working in war related industries go on strikes regardless of consequences.

    And I have a suspicion that nothing of a sort will happen.

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    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/bad-moon-rising/#comment-2115294

    Who should be first to be lynched, PeterAus?

    If you had 5 white balls and 5 black balls, who of these characters would get which ball?

    Nikki Haley (if you plan to lynch Nikki, take care not to touch her ass; they'll haul you in on charges of molestation)
    Clapper ?
    Chertoff ?
    Netanyah ?u
    Mattis ?
    Steve Bannon ?
    John McCain ?
    Lindsey Graham ?
    Dennis Ross
    Michael Ledeen
    Meyrav Wurmser
    George W Bush?

    How about W's old man; he's not too old to be lynched; a 96 yr old was just sentenced for being a Nahzee and an 84 year old German woman jailed for thought crimes. Germar Rudolf lost his career, his family, his home for the crime of producing evidence that disproved elements of the holocaust narrative. Some of us support his work financially and in other ways.

    If you think researching and writing things the PtB not only do not want to read/hear but that they actually punish you for writing/thinking, then you have no awareness whatsoever of the actual climate of censorship and thought-policing that prevails in USA today. I firmly believe in the power of the Word, and the use of the Word to coalesce with others in order to convince workers to strike the Lockheed Martin corporate hdq; to leave signs and pamphlets at the door of the holocaust freak show; to lobby congress; to contribute financially to those who lead such movements. We organize and/or participate in and/or support events where speakers like Phil Giraldi, Grant Smith, Gideon Levy, Ray McGovern, Alison Weir among others address an audience gathered from across the nation, who then take those messages home to their neighbors and friends.
    Strikes and protest marches do not erupt spontaneously, it takes a lot of effort in numerous ways, and some of us -- I can name them but I will not -- have tried to do our little bit.

    I think, and I think that the small group of activists that I've met in my travels, also think that the moral assessment of the rightness or wrongness of war is the first hurdle, at least for a nation purportedly "conceived in liberty and the proposition that all men are created equal . . . with an equal right to life."

    If not by basic morality, then by the USA's founding documents some of us think we have no right to take the life of any man, woman, child without a compelling and honest reason. And NO, taking the lives of 500- or 10,000- or 1 million Iranians is justified because it will mean prosperity and employment for Americans is NOT a good reason.

    How about you?
    What have you done lately?

    re the massive protests: The irony just occurred to me: There were massive rallies all over the world in opposition to war against Iraq. The protest I participated in took place on the Mall in Charlottesville, VA, the very same place that was defiled by Antifa. We froze our asses off, listened to speeches, signed a petition, then marched the petition to the other end of the Mall to the office of then-representative Virgil Goode.

    You know the outcome: Benjamin Netanyahu's appearance before a congressional committee held more sway than did our massed voices and petitions. As I've written elsewhere, http://www.unz.com/article/the-system-repudiated/#comment-2106821
    since that protest in 2002 ??, Jews from New York have migrated to Charlottesville to the extent that they now hold sway in Thomas Jefferson's own city, and his university. That's a fact. I watched it happen. If you think it's antisemitic to say so, I don't give a particular damn; I'm American; as E Michael Jones says,
    “Catholics [and a host of others] internalize the commands of their oppressors. We need to liberate ourselves from the Jewish super ego.” https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/02/goy-guide-to-social-change.html

    , @Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III
    Agreed that for many (most?) Americans the major issue they have with war is that they don't get to take part in the plunder of the spoils. One of Trump's complaints was that America didn't take enough of Iraq's oil wealth when it had the chance. (The people who say Trump is or was anti-war are ignoring his supplication to all things military and his open admiration of the various military goons he has invited into his junta of an administration.)

    Americans have never experienced the horror and terror of war...the kind their government regularly unleashes on select "enemy" nations. They simply have no idea what that does to people...physically and psychologically. This is why war does not really bother Americans on a deeply emotional and intuitive level. What concern there is is reserved for "what's in it for me?" and "our boys"...the mass slaughter of "gooks" and "hajis" and the annihilation of their cities, infrastructure and social fabric does not bother them much at all. Americans, and citizen of the other Western "coalition" countries, are told their weapons are "surgical" and "precise" and spare civilian lives. The death and carnage of war is never shown on TV. It is very easy for citizens of the war mongering West to believe in convenient fictions and wash their hands of all responsibility for the death and destruction unleashed in their name.

    The West, led by the USA, has been waging war without consequences. They have gotten used to this unusual, and unnatural, state of affairs. Witness the outrage over the 1983 bombing of the Beirut barracks in which some 240 marines were killed. Fighting back against the invading West is "terrorism". One thing the West has no stomach for is high casualties among "our boys". Hence the panic about a rerun of Vietnam where the death and suffering of the (literally) boys was shoen on TV for all Americans to gape at.

    This fear of consequences and mass death is the West's Achilles heel. Because sooner or later there will be an enemy that is able to strike back and hit the "homeland" or take out significant numbers of soldiers, sailors and marines. Then, and only then, will American citizens and their counterparts in sycophant and allied nations turn against war at a gut instinct level

    @PeterAUS: Your "reality based" analysis is much appreciated. It dispenses with much of the psychological projections and wishful thinking that get in the way of maintaining clarity. Keep it up! We should not shy away from facing uncomfortable truths and the fact that the Empire likely has a ways to go before it begins to collapse in earnest.
    , @Anon
    "they are against [war] because they don’t get the spoils of war as they expected/expect."
    Speak for yourself.
    , @FB

    Call me cynic but I believe that most of people who are against war in US/West aren’t because of imperial reasons and horrors inflicted on other people.

    They are against because they don’t get the spoils of war as they expected/expect.

    Yes, I know how this sounds and I stay behind it.

     

    Holy Smokes...what happened...?

    Is this the same Peter...?

    Good stuff...agree fully...
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  168. @Twodees Partain
    " we are evil fucks."

    Unless you're among the evil fucks who are carrying out this agenda, you might want to disassociate yourself from that particular "we". I don't view these evil people in government as members of this country. To me, the country is the land and the people. The government is not the country, though they want to represent themselves as such.

    Some people like to blame the people of the US as being culpable because "we voted them in". I don't think that's true of most of the people of the US. Elections are sham shows, conducted with predetermined outcomes, so the votes don't actually matter. Nobody who participates in the voting has any input whatsoever into what is done by the so-called winners of these elections.

    The "we" that I see myself as a part of had nothing to do with the wars and other atrocious acts of government. I have no input into these decisions for war and have no influence at all on what is being done by the government and I don't even accept that these atrocities have been committed in my name or for my benefit.

    are you a citizen of usa? if so, you do not get to shirk the responsibility. yes you have done nothing wrong, but you are part of this country. there is no escape. the victims/citizens of those 5 countries would not care for the distinction. the military machine would not work without the support of the tax dollars.

    oh, the soldiers of my country is killing your citizens and destroying your country? it is their fault, not my fault. this is what you are saying. no one outside of usa would care about the distinction. especially not the victims in those 5 countries. in a way, trump is right. if we are going to bomb those countries, don’t invite them too, that is just asking for trouble. but this move also destroys the facade/cover for the slaughter and destruction. that is why it is a big no no.

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    are you a citizen of usa? if so, you do not get to shirk the responsibility. yes you have done nothing wrong, but you are part of this country. there is no escape. the victims/citizens of those 5 countries would not care for the distinction. the military machine would not work without the support of the tax dollars.

    oh, the soldiers of my country is killing your citizens and destroying your country? it is their fault, not my fault. this is what you are saying. no one outside of usa would care about the distinction. especially not the victims in those 5 countries.
     
    Agree.

    Now, there are definitely plenty of people who strongly, on moral ground, disagree with US foreign policy. But, they aren't willing to risk anything to do something about it.
    Majority, though....they just don't care.
    They would need 10 minutes to find Iran on a map, and even that with some effort.
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  169. peterAUS says:
    @Astuteobservor II
    are you a citizen of usa? if so, you do not get to shirk the responsibility. yes you have done nothing wrong, but you are part of this country. there is no escape. the victims/citizens of those 5 countries would not care for the distinction. the military machine would not work without the support of the tax dollars.

    oh, the soldiers of my country is killing your citizens and destroying your country? it is their fault, not my fault. this is what you are saying. no one outside of usa would care about the distinction. especially not the victims in those 5 countries. in a way, trump is right. if we are going to bomb those countries, don't invite them too, that is just asking for trouble. but this move also destroys the facade/cover for the slaughter and destruction. that is why it is a big no no.

    are you a citizen of usa? if so, you do not get to shirk the responsibility. yes you have done nothing wrong, but you are part of this country. there is no escape. the victims/citizens of those 5 countries would not care for the distinction. the military machine would not work without the support of the tax dollars.

    oh, the soldiers of my country is killing your citizens and destroying your country? it is their fault, not my fault. this is what you are saying. no one outside of usa would care about the distinction. especially not the victims in those 5 countries.

    Agree.

    Now, there are definitely plenty of people who strongly, on moral ground, disagree with US foreign policy. But, they aren’t willing to risk anything to do something about it.
    Majority, though….they just don’t care.
    They would need 10 minutes to find Iran on a map, and even that with some effort.

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    Disagree.

    I do not buy, for a second, that assessment of yours.

    People who really don't like/want something do a bit more than just cast a vote, tweet, post and keep doing what they are told.
    Feels as soothing a guilty conscience.
    "I tried to do something about it, ah, well, didn't make a difference, OK".

    Doesn't work that way I am afraid.

    Call me cynic but I believe that most of people who are against war in US/West aren't because of imperial reasons and horrors inflicted on other people.
    They are against because they don't get the spoils of war as they expected/expect.
    Yes, I know how this sounds and I stay behind it.

    I'll start to believe that your assesment is right and I'll admit I was/am wrong when:
    Should US initiate war against Iran we see MASSIVE demonstrations across US. Not peaceful but with a lot of violence.
    When tens of thousands of career soldiers/sailors/marines refuse to participate regardless of court martial.
    When people working in war related industries go on strikes regardless of consequences.

    And I have a suspicion that nothing of a sort will happen.

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/bad-moon-rising/#comment-2115294

    Who should be first to be lynched, PeterAus?

    If you had 5 white balls and 5 black balls, who of these characters would get which ball?

    Nikki Haley (if you plan to lynch Nikki, take care not to touch her ass; they’ll haul you in on charges of molestation)
    Clapper ?
    Chertoff ?
    Netanyah ?u
    Mattis ?
    Steve Bannon ?
    John McCain ?
    Lindsey Graham ?
    Dennis Ross
    Michael Ledeen
    Meyrav Wurmser
    George W Bush?

    How about W’s old man; he’s not too old to be lynched; a 96 yr old was just sentenced for being a Nahzee and an 84 year old German woman jailed for thought crimes. Germar Rudolf lost his career, his family, his home for the crime of producing evidence that disproved elements of the holocaust narrative. Some of us support his work financially and in other ways.

    If you think researching and writing things the PtB not only do not want to read/hear but that they actually punish you for writing/thinking, then you have no awareness whatsoever of the actual climate of censorship and thought-policing that prevails in USA today. I firmly believe in the power of the Word, and the use of the Word to coalesce with others in order to convince workers to strike the Lockheed Martin corporate hdq; to leave signs and pamphlets at the door of the holocaust freak show; to lobby congress; to contribute financially to those who lead such movements. We organize and/or participate in and/or support events where speakers like Phil Giraldi, Grant Smith, Gideon Levy, Ray McGovern, Alison Weir among others address an audience gathered from across the nation, who then take those messages home to their neighbors and friends.
    Strikes and protest marches do not erupt spontaneously, it takes a lot of effort in numerous ways, and some of us — I can name them but I will not — have tried to do our little bit.

    I think, and I think that the small group of activists that I’ve met in my travels, also think that the moral assessment of the rightness or wrongness of war is the first hurdle, at least for a nation purportedly “conceived in liberty and the proposition that all men are created equal . . . with an equal right to life.”

    If not by basic morality, then by the USA’s founding documents some of us think we have no right to take the life of any man, woman, child without a compelling and honest reason. And NO, taking the lives of 500- or 10,000- or 1 million Iranians is justified because it will mean prosperity and employment for Americans is NOT a good reason.

    How about you?
    What have you done lately?

    re the massive protests: The irony just occurred to me: There were massive rallies all over the world in opposition to war against Iraq. The protest I participated in took place on the Mall in Charlottesville, VA, the very same place that was defiled by Antifa. We froze our asses off, listened to speeches, signed a petition, then marched the petition to the other end of the Mall to the office of then-representative Virgil Goode.

    You know the outcome: Benjamin Netanyahu’s appearance before a congressional committee held more sway than did our massed voices and petitions. As I’ve written elsewhere, http://www.unz.com/article/the-system-repudiated/#comment-2106821
    since that protest in 2002 ??, Jews from New York have migrated to Charlottesville to the extent that they now hold sway in Thomas Jefferson’s own city, and his university. That’s a fact. I watched it happen. If you think it’s antisemitic to say so, I don’t give a particular damn; I’m American; as E Michael Jones says,
    “Catholics [and a host of others] internalize the commands of their oppressors. We need to liberate ourselves from the Jewish super ego.” https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/02/goy-guide-to-social-change.html

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    A measured (sort of, which I’ll address) and articulated post.
    Pity we don’t have more around.

    My reply:

    Who should be first to be lynched, PeterAus?
     
    Wow…wow…….how about we all (re)read this, think about that for a couple of minutes and move on?

    a 96 yr old was just sentenced for being a Nahzee and an 84 year old German woman jailed for thought crimes. Germar Rudolf lost his career, his family, his home for the crime of producing evidence that disproved elements of the holocaust narrative. Some of us support his work financially and in other ways.
     
    O.K.

    I firmly believe in the power of the Word
     
    I don’t.
    I believe in a power of action based on that Word.

    I think, and I think that the small group of activists that I’ve met in my travels, also think that the moral assessment of the rightness or wrongness of war is the first hurdle, at least for a nation purportedly “conceived in liberty and the proposition that all men are created equal . . . with an equal right to life.”
     
    Agree.
    Empshasize on the “first hurdle”.

    How about you?
    What have you done lately?
     
    Same as everyone who disagrees with US foreign (and domestic) policy. Nothing of a substance.

    re the massive protests: The irony just occurred to me: There were massive rallies all over the world in opposition to war against Iraq. The protest I participated in took place on the Mall in Charlottesville, VA, the very same place that was defiled by Antifa. We froze our asses off, listened to speeches, signed a petition, then marched the petition to the other end of the Mall to the office of then-representative Virgil Goode.
     
    Those were not massive protests. Massive protest freezes a city/region..
    Mix it with significant dissobediance within ranks. Mix it with strikes in ALL industries related to war.
    Try THAT one day.

    Now, we don’t need to kid ourselves. The “response” by the System would be….significant. And we simply do not want to risk lives we have now (literally) to prevent a war against somebody somewhere.

    It’s all about risk/reward, for minority of people with moral stance.

    And I repeat, most of people get their moral stance from their pay check and mainstream media.
    In that order.
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  171. peterAUS says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/bad-moon-rising/#comment-2115294

    Who should be first to be lynched, PeterAus?

    If you had 5 white balls and 5 black balls, who of these characters would get which ball?

    Nikki Haley (if you plan to lynch Nikki, take care not to touch her ass; they'll haul you in on charges of molestation)
    Clapper ?
    Chertoff ?
    Netanyah ?u
    Mattis ?
    Steve Bannon ?
    John McCain ?
    Lindsey Graham ?
    Dennis Ross
    Michael Ledeen
    Meyrav Wurmser
    George W Bush?

    How about W's old man; he's not too old to be lynched; a 96 yr old was just sentenced for being a Nahzee and an 84 year old German woman jailed for thought crimes. Germar Rudolf lost his career, his family, his home for the crime of producing evidence that disproved elements of the holocaust narrative. Some of us support his work financially and in other ways.

    If you think researching and writing things the PtB not only do not want to read/hear but that they actually punish you for writing/thinking, then you have no awareness whatsoever of the actual climate of censorship and thought-policing that prevails in USA today. I firmly believe in the power of the Word, and the use of the Word to coalesce with others in order to convince workers to strike the Lockheed Martin corporate hdq; to leave signs and pamphlets at the door of the holocaust freak show; to lobby congress; to contribute financially to those who lead such movements. We organize and/or participate in and/or support events where speakers like Phil Giraldi, Grant Smith, Gideon Levy, Ray McGovern, Alison Weir among others address an audience gathered from across the nation, who then take those messages home to their neighbors and friends.
    Strikes and protest marches do not erupt spontaneously, it takes a lot of effort in numerous ways, and some of us -- I can name them but I will not -- have tried to do our little bit.

    I think, and I think that the small group of activists that I've met in my travels, also think that the moral assessment of the rightness or wrongness of war is the first hurdle, at least for a nation purportedly "conceived in liberty and the proposition that all men are created equal . . . with an equal right to life."

    If not by basic morality, then by the USA's founding documents some of us think we have no right to take the life of any man, woman, child without a compelling and honest reason. And NO, taking the lives of 500- or 10,000- or 1 million Iranians is justified because it will mean prosperity and employment for Americans is NOT a good reason.

    How about you?
    What have you done lately?

    re the massive protests: The irony just occurred to me: There were massive rallies all over the world in opposition to war against Iraq. The protest I participated in took place on the Mall in Charlottesville, VA, the very same place that was defiled by Antifa. We froze our asses off, listened to speeches, signed a petition, then marched the petition to the other end of the Mall to the office of then-representative Virgil Goode.

    You know the outcome: Benjamin Netanyahu's appearance before a congressional committee held more sway than did our massed voices and petitions. As I've written elsewhere, http://www.unz.com/article/the-system-repudiated/#comment-2106821
    since that protest in 2002 ??, Jews from New York have migrated to Charlottesville to the extent that they now hold sway in Thomas Jefferson's own city, and his university. That's a fact. I watched it happen. If you think it's antisemitic to say so, I don't give a particular damn; I'm American; as E Michael Jones says,
    “Catholics [and a host of others] internalize the commands of their oppressors. We need to liberate ourselves from the Jewish super ego.” https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/02/goy-guide-to-social-change.html

    A measured (sort of, which I’ll address) and articulated post.
    Pity we don’t have more around.

    My reply:

    Who should be first to be lynched, PeterAus?

    Wow…wow…….how about we all (re)read this, think about that for a couple of minutes and move on?

    a 96 yr old was just sentenced for being a Nahzee and an 84 year old German woman jailed for thought crimes. Germar Rudolf lost his career, his family, his home for the crime of producing evidence that disproved elements of the holocaust narrative. Some of us support his work financially and in other ways.

    O.K.

    I firmly believe in the power of the Word

    I don’t.
    I believe in a power of action based on that Word.

    I think, and I think that the small group of activists that I’ve met in my travels, also think that the moral assessment of the rightness or wrongness of war is the first hurdle, at least for a nation purportedly “conceived in liberty and the proposition that all men are created equal . . . with an equal right to life.”

    Agree.
    Empshasize on the “first hurdle”.

    How about you?
    What have you done lately?

    Same as everyone who disagrees with US foreign (and domestic) policy. Nothing of a substance.

    re the massive protests: The irony just occurred to me: There were massive rallies all over the world in opposition to war against Iraq. The protest I participated in took place on the Mall in Charlottesville, VA, the very same place that was defiled by Antifa. We froze our asses off, listened to speeches, signed a petition, then marched the petition to the other end of the Mall to the office of then-representative Virgil Goode.

    Those were not massive protests. Massive protest freezes a city/region..
    Mix it with significant dissobediance within ranks. Mix it with strikes in ALL industries related to war.
    Try THAT one day.

    Now, we don’t need to kid ourselves. The “response” by the System would be….significant. And we simply do not want to risk lives we have now (literally) to prevent a war against somebody somewhere.

    It’s all about risk/reward, for minority of people with moral stance.

    And I repeat, most of people get their moral stance from their pay check and mainstream media.
    In that order.

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    I firmly believe in the power of the Word
     
    I don’t.
    I believe in a power of action based on that Word.
     
    Do you mean The Propaganda of the Deed, like this:

    Two Palestinian militants killed in Gaza 'preparing attack on Israel'
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-palestinian-militants-killed-gaza-153531973.html


    In a statement after Tuesday's explosion, Islamic Jihad said: "We mourn the men - 'martyrs of preparation'". The group usually employs the term to refer to casualties caused by the accidental detonation of weapons or explosives used in attacks against Israel.
     
    Why are Palestinians willing to risk death in pursuit of their desires?

    Nothing left to lose.
    Americans are too comfortable.
    Gideon Levy said that Israelis are also too comfortable -- and too well-protected against the futile, almost pathetic Palestinian gestures.

    --

    Hard to imagine how a really massive general strike can work in the USA -- it's too big, and too divided against itself with no unifying narrative or core. (One of the kids was in Paris, scheduled to fly home the day Air Traffic Controllers went on strike. Frenchmen know how to do strikes, massive strikes, general strikes, they're ready, knitting needle sharpened. France is much smaller than USA and, at the time of this particular episode, France was unified around Frenchness!
    USA is not unified.
    That's by design -- the war between men and wimmen was planned by Soros-types from before the election: Phase 1 was wimmen prancing around wearing vagina hats inspired by Russian female-like creatures who desecrated an Orthodox Church in Moscow.

    Phase 2 was Weinstein's outing. Anyone who doesn't realize that was part of a grand plan is not thinking carefully enough. Hollywood Jews could have outed Weinstein any time they wanted to; they picked now. Followed it up with what might have been unexpected disclosures.

    Then the #MeToo 'movement' emerged -- From where? who started it? Organic? Don't think so.

    The wimmen vs men movement leapfrogged to the US Congress. How'd that happen? Does anybody suppose a message was being sent to all those folks with Ben Gurion Airport tags on their luggage that it's best they stay in line; #Youtoo could become the object of an Israeli #MeToo.

    The Franken non-resignation resignation is a hoot: Let's start a pool: What'll you wager Franken will recant his resignation? The Franken gambit was virtue signaling, and also a deflection from the possibility of focusing on vile, sexist, demeaning-to-women Hollywood movies, fashion, and pornography. Hands off the elements that are designed to sexualize women with the purpose of stimulating men.

    At Charlottesville the people who brought you pink hats, #MeToo and '#YouToo effectively enflamed a war between Blacks and Whites. Was that event organic? Do you have an artificial Christmas tree in your parlor?

    So USA has all these factions, all working in opposition to one another.

    Hitler's genius, and threat, was that he united the German people around a shared cultural identity, Germanness.
    USA has no such shared identity.
    Jews are effective because they share an identity neurosis!

    So I don't think a massive general strike is in the cards.

    ---
    After writing to counter the baleful effects of the Jewish-controlled media and narrative, the only action I can think of for the minority to undertake in order to capture the attention of the apathetic majority is hunger strikes. "Mrs. Pankhurst has been clapped in irons again." Some may die. Who of us is willing to take that risk? For many, it's not just a personal risk, it's familiar; a version of Sophie's Choice: If I make a public spectacle of myself, i.e. by hunger striking, what will be the impact on those associated with me? Are they willing to take that risk?

    Jews don't have these qualms; they control the situation; it is Jews who will shame or harm the associates of those who speak out against the oppressive acts of Jews. 315 million held hostage by an imaginary 6 million.
    US government institutions will not protect Americans against the punitive actions of Jews.
    That's a real kick in the tail.

    , @SolontoCroesus

    Now, we don’t need to kid ourselves. The “response” by the System would be….significant. And we simply do not want to risk lives we have now (literally) to prevent a war against somebody somewhere.
    It’s all about risk/reward, for minority of people with moral stance.
    And I repeat, most of people get their moral stance from their pay check and mainstream media.
    In that order.
     
    I don't think that's accurate.

    Not sure how impressed the PTB would be by even something as massive as a General Strike. Not sure if/when that ever happened in USA.

    Second, American people do have what they think is a moral stance; that's why USA is joined at the hip to Israel. Many, many Americans think that supporting Israel unconditionally is their moral obligation. By conflating "Israel" and "holocaust" and "jews (usually as perpetual victims), it's become a moral obligation to give Jews special deference, and to self-censor any and every legitimate criticism. Risk would be acting antisemitically.

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  172. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mark James
    I'm really concerned an attack on Iran is a correct assessment Philip. They are not a threat to the US and while I think we will be in a support capacity -with Israel obviously-- to a bunker buster attack it will be regarded as US backed war throughout the Islamic world. Trump may be too weak to resist Netanyahu's best sales pitch.

    Tillerson will be gone sooner or later.
    No question, perhaps the week between Christmas and New Year?

    Cotton and Pompeo
    Pompeo may have problems with the Mueller probe. Cotton has a number of rumors in his past and maybe they are just unfortunate talk? But I don't see him at CIA (we shall see?)

    The Neocons are turning up at MSNBC of late. In addition to Podhoretz, Brooks, Kristol, we are now seeing E.Johnson, B.Stephens, D.Pletka on the scene as regular rotation players. No doubt where they will be leading. Moving in where opportunities abound for some reason? At least two (Halperin, Ford) aren't around anymore on Coffee Joe.

    Moving in where opportunities abound for some reason? At least two (Halperin, Ford) aren’t around anymore on Coffee Joe.

    Morning Jew

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  173. FB says:
    @Rurik
    as Jacque Sheete once observed..

    coming from you sir, that is high praise

    humbly... I say

    Peace and God bless

    ‘…once I took her to a particularly beautiful church she was always fond of, and you could feel her heart just sink when the sermon was all about the evil Muslim king who had slaughtered Jewish babies back in the day, and the requirement that we all steel our resolve against the evil Muslims of today, who are again threatening the holy Jews in the holy land…’

    That rang a bell with me and my recent church experience…

    Our pastor seemed like a decent enough guy…and then one day we get the news that he had got a military commission as a Chaplain…rank of Major…our church magazine had him on the cover in his fancy uniform…

    I figured whatever…

    But then I noticed him slipping in some sneaky messaging…during prayer he would start praying for our ‘troops in harm’s way’ while saying nothing about the people of Afghanistan who were burying babies in tiny coffins and wailing ‘Allahu Akbar’…

    Surely these people love their children as much as any other parent…

    And it just rubbed me the wrong way…

    One day I just stood up and walked my family out in the middle of one of his ‘prayers’…

    He noticed this and our further absences from services and came a calling…I told him flat out that I sympathize with those poor people who were getting trampled on and that I felt that politics had no place in church…much the less the military…

    I reminded him that Jesus was called the “Prince of Peace’…not war…

    he had nothing to say…he just got up and left my house…

    But an interesting little side story that happened a couple years previous to this…while we were still going to church…[and forking over dough...which seems to be what it's all about...]

    He had called me up and asked me to come and meet with him…he explained to me how it came to be that he got his commission and that it was all part of him getting his PhD…which the military was paying for…

    I said great…sounds like a sweet deal…what with the cost of higher education…plus being an ‘instant’ officer and eventually getting an officer’s pension and all that…

    Well here’s the kicker…turns out Mr. Preacher had a big problem…

    Turns out he had been procrastinating big-time on his dissertation…and he needed to start putting some material together for his interim report…

    I asked him what he had so far…he said, ‘absolutely not a single word…’

    This after about two years had already passed by…his excuse was that he had so much on his plate…yeah right…the guy only showed up to preach about once a month…delegating the sermons to some of his hangers-on among the congregation…guest preachers etc…

    I thought to myself what the heck does this guy do with his time…?…his Chaplain duties were likewise pretty trivial…

    So he came to the point and asked if I would help him…[incidentally I had loaned him, months previously, several rather expensive books which he had never returned]

    I said sure…let’s talk about what we can do together…and how I can help you…

    he said he would be willing to pay me…but I assured him I could not do any such thing as it would be unethical…I could help him as a friend…discuss ideas…review his material etc etc…I would not hesitate to commit whatever time he needed to get his thesis going…

    But that’s not what he had in mind…

    Quite incredibly…he came right out and told me exactly what he wanted…he wanted me to write his entire thesis for him and he would just cut me a check…whatever amount I felt was appropriate…

    Needless to say I was quite taken aback by this…I felt like I needed a shower…

    And this is a so-called ‘pastor’ leading a flock…?

    Talk about a totally corrupted individual…no ethics whatsoever…

    I had never been much on church anyway…but felt it was a good family thing…what with all the moral decay and all…

    I had been willing to overlook his ‘mistake’ about trying to engage me in unethical behavior…but his subsequent militarizing of church service was the last straw…

    I said to hell with this bozo and called him and asked for my books back…I would have let him keep them…I actually had no prior intention of asking for them back…but he was just such a slimeball that he didn’t deserve a simple kindness…

    He never even bothered to bring them to my house…I had to go chase him down…

    That’s organized religion for you…I have to believe that they are all the same…in my case Protestant…in others Catholic, Jewish…whatever…

    I do have some Orthodox Christian friends and have been to their church services and it is quite ornate and ceremonial…and the few sermons I got to hear were really quite inspiring…and completely devoid of politics or any other ‘worldliness’…

    Apparently Brother Nathaniel is an Orthodox…and my impression of this religion has been the most positive so far…

    But I do not intend to ever get my family involved in any religion again…to heck with it…not worth the trouble…

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    I am sure you know that the funding of evangelical churches comes from Jews, not Christians. I dont know how much funding goes to other churches too. I know that about 2 years ago, when Pope Francis started talking about the poor, a very rich Jewish donor threatened to cut funding and he sent this message through Ken Langone. Langone advised the Pope to stop talking about the rich because to the donor who did not want to be named (but is rumored to be a jewish patron), his criticism of the rich sounded just like Nazis criticism of Jews
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  174. @peterAUS
    A measured (sort of, which I’ll address) and articulated post.
    Pity we don’t have more around.

    My reply:

    Who should be first to be lynched, PeterAus?
     
    Wow…wow…….how about we all (re)read this, think about that for a couple of minutes and move on?

    a 96 yr old was just sentenced for being a Nahzee and an 84 year old German woman jailed for thought crimes. Germar Rudolf lost his career, his family, his home for the crime of producing evidence that disproved elements of the holocaust narrative. Some of us support his work financially and in other ways.
     
    O.K.

    I firmly believe in the power of the Word
     
    I don’t.
    I believe in a power of action based on that Word.

    I think, and I think that the small group of activists that I’ve met in my travels, also think that the moral assessment of the rightness or wrongness of war is the first hurdle, at least for a nation purportedly “conceived in liberty and the proposition that all men are created equal . . . with an equal right to life.”
     
    Agree.
    Empshasize on the “first hurdle”.

    How about you?
    What have you done lately?
     
    Same as everyone who disagrees with US foreign (and domestic) policy. Nothing of a substance.

    re the massive protests: The irony just occurred to me: There were massive rallies all over the world in opposition to war against Iraq. The protest I participated in took place on the Mall in Charlottesville, VA, the very same place that was defiled by Antifa. We froze our asses off, listened to speeches, signed a petition, then marched the petition to the other end of the Mall to the office of then-representative Virgil Goode.
     
    Those were not massive protests. Massive protest freezes a city/region..
    Mix it with significant dissobediance within ranks. Mix it with strikes in ALL industries related to war.
    Try THAT one day.

    Now, we don’t need to kid ourselves. The “response” by the System would be….significant. And we simply do not want to risk lives we have now (literally) to prevent a war against somebody somewhere.

    It’s all about risk/reward, for minority of people with moral stance.

    And I repeat, most of people get their moral stance from their pay check and mainstream media.
    In that order.

    I firmly believe in the power of the Word

    I don’t.
    I believe in a power of action based on that Word.

    Do you mean The Propaganda of the Deed, like this:

    Two Palestinian militants killed in Gaza ‘preparing attack on Israel’

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-palestinian-militants-killed-gaza-153531973.html

    In a statement after Tuesday’s explosion, Islamic Jihad said: “We mourn the men – ‘martyrs of preparation’”. The group usually employs the term to refer to casualties caused by the accidental detonation of weapons or explosives used in attacks against Israel.

    Why are Palestinians willing to risk death in pursuit of their desires?

    Nothing left to lose.
    Americans are too comfortable.
    Gideon Levy said that Israelis are also too comfortable — and too well-protected against the futile, almost pathetic Palestinian gestures.

    Hard to imagine how a really massive general strike can work in the USA — it’s too big, and too divided against itself with no unifying narrative or core. (One of the kids was in Paris, scheduled to fly home the day Air Traffic Controllers went on strike. Frenchmen know how to do strikes, massive strikes, general strikes, they’re ready, knitting needle sharpened. France is much smaller than USA and, at the time of this particular episode, France was unified around Frenchness!
    USA is not unified.
    That’s by design — the war between men and wimmen was planned by Soros-types from before the election: Phase 1 was wimmen prancing around wearing vagina hats inspired by Russian female-like creatures who desecrated an Orthodox Church in Moscow.

    Phase 2 was Weinstein’s outing. Anyone who doesn’t realize that was part of a grand plan is not thinking carefully enough. Hollywood Jews could have outed Weinstein any time they wanted to; they picked now. Followed it up with what might have been unexpected disclosures.

    Then the #MeToo ‘movement’ emerged — From where? who started it? Organic? Don’t think so.

    The wimmen vs men movement leapfrogged to the US Congress. How’d that happen? Does anybody suppose a message was being sent to all those folks with Ben Gurion Airport tags on their luggage that it’s best they stay in line; #Youtoo could become the object of an Israeli #MeToo.

    The Franken non-resignation resignation is a hoot: Let’s start a pool: What’ll you wager Franken will recant his resignation? The Franken gambit was virtue signaling, and also a deflection from the possibility of focusing on vile, sexist, demeaning-to-women Hollywood movies, fashion, and pornography. Hands off the elements that are designed to sexualize women with the purpose of stimulating men.

    At Charlottesville the people who brought you pink hats, #MeToo and ‘#YouToo effectively enflamed a war between Blacks and Whites. Was that event organic? Do you have an artificial Christmas tree in your parlor?

    So USA has all these factions, all working in opposition to one another.

    Hitler’s genius, and threat, was that he united the German people around a shared cultural identity, Germanness.
    USA has no such shared identity.
    Jews are effective because they share an identity neurosis!

    So I don’t think a massive general strike is in the cards.


    After writing to counter the baleful effects of the Jewish-controlled media and narrative, the only action I can think of for the minority to undertake in order to capture the attention of the apathetic majority is hunger strikes. “Mrs. Pankhurst has been clapped in irons again.” Some may die. Who of us is willing to take that risk? For many, it’s not just a personal risk, it’s familiar; a version of Sophie’s Choice: If I make a public spectacle of myself, i.e. by hunger striking, what will be the impact on those associated with me? Are they willing to take that risk?

    Jews don’t have these qualms; they control the situation; it is Jews who will shame or harm the associates of those who speak out against the oppressive acts of Jews. 315 million held hostage by an imaginary 6 million.
    US government institutions will not protect Americans against the punitive actions of Jews.
    That’s a real kick in the tail.

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    Do you mean The Propaganda of the Deed
     
    Well, using those examples could be....unwise….when chatting on the Internet.
    I simply meant those:
    Massive protests and strikes with significant disobedience in military.

    Americans are too comfortable.
     
    Yup.

    Hard to imagine how a really massive general strike can work in the USA — it’s too big, and too divided against itself with no unifying narrative or core.
     

    USA is not unified.
     

    So I don’t think a massive general strike is in the cards.
     
    Agree.

    After writing to counter the baleful effects of the Jewish-controlled media and narrative, the only action I can think of for the minority to undertake in order to capture the attention of the apathetic majority is hunger strikes.
     
    Don’t think it would work in USA.

    Actually, you said it… “apathetic majority”.
    So, no massive protests, no civil disobedience, no general strikes, no dissent in ranks.
    My point exactly.
    We, apparently, agree then?!

    And, how about this:
    Pick up a city in Midwest where life isn’t good overall because of loss of manufacturing.
    Promise those people that, should “the regime in Teheran does not cease its intention to build a weapon of mass destruction” (or something similar) US will start rearming in order to counter that “grave threat to humanity”/whatever.
    As a part of that effort a big weapons/munitions/equipment factory will be built there employing, say, 10 000 persons (in the factory and related businesses-infrastructure, services etc).
    Now…..would you expect to see any meaningful protests in that city against “war effort”?
    I don’t think so.

    Multiply it around and there we go.

    , @ChuckOrloski
    Hey SolontoCroesus,

    As you write about citizens getting consistent "kicks-in-tail," below is an Atlantic Monthly memory from bygone days of post-liberation Iraq, and how privately-owned Blackwater USA got hired (by our ever job-creating leadership) to "kick ass" against "non-combatants."

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/blackwater-and-the-time-warp-of-the-iraq-war/390480/

    Selah martyrs in belly of the green bird and wherefore The Maven.
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    The case of media hypocrisy.
    Senator Franken did his sexual misdeeds while he was member of the Senate.
    Senate must have the strictest code for behavior of his members.
    He obviously broke this code.
    The media, particularly CNN gave him free pass.

    Trumps possible misdeeds did happened decades ago while he was a private citizen
    Code of behaving of private citizens are definitely not so strict as a member of the senate.
    Did I make my case?

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  175. Z-man says:
    @RadicalCenter
    I am afraid that Rand may be a case of the apple falling too far from the tree. We'll see.

    Yeah maybe as he gets older and recuperates from his broken ribs he’ll grow a bigger set and be get closer to his father’s views.

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  176. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    '...once I took her to a particularly beautiful church she was always fond of, and you could feel her heart just sink when the sermon was all about the evil Muslim king who had slaughtered Jewish babies back in the day, and the requirement that we all steel our resolve against the evil Muslims of today, who are again threatening the holy Jews in the holy land...'
     
    That rang a bell with me and my recent church experience...

    Our pastor seemed like a decent enough guy...and then one day we get the news that he had got a military commission as a Chaplain...rank of Major...our church magazine had him on the cover in his fancy uniform...

    I figured whatever...

    But then I noticed him slipping in some sneaky messaging...during prayer he would start praying for our 'troops in harm's way' while saying nothing about the people of Afghanistan who were burying babies in tiny coffins and wailing 'Allahu Akbar'...

    Surely these people love their children as much as any other parent...

    And it just rubbed me the wrong way...

    One day I just stood up and walked my family out in the middle of one of his 'prayers'...

    He noticed this and our further absences from services and came a calling...I told him flat out that I sympathize with those poor people who were getting trampled on and that I felt that politics had no place in church...much the less the military...

    I reminded him that Jesus was called the "Prince of Peace'...not war...

    he had nothing to say...he just got up and left my house...

    But an interesting little side story that happened a couple years previous to this...while we were still going to church...[and forking over dough...which seems to be what it's all about...]

    He had called me up and asked me to come and meet with him...he explained to me how it came to be that he got his commission and that it was all part of him getting his PhD...which the military was paying for...

    I said great...sounds like a sweet deal...what with the cost of higher education...plus being an 'instant' officer and eventually getting an officer's pension and all that...

    Well here's the kicker...turns out Mr. Preacher had a big problem...

    Turns out he had been procrastinating big-time on his dissertation...and he needed to start putting some material together for his interim report...

    I asked him what he had so far...he said, 'absolutely not a single word...'

    This after about two years had already passed by...his excuse was that he had so much on his plate...yeah right...the guy only showed up to preach about once a month...delegating the sermons to some of his hangers-on among the congregation...guest preachers etc...

    I thought to myself what the heck does this guy do with his time...?...his Chaplain duties were likewise pretty trivial...

    So he came to the point and asked if I would help him...[incidentally I had loaned him, months previously, several rather expensive books which he had never returned]

    I said sure...let's talk about what we can do together...and how I can help you...

    he said he would be willing to pay me...but I assured him I could not do any such thing as it would be unethical...I could help him as a friend...discuss ideas...review his material etc etc...I would not hesitate to commit whatever time he needed to get his thesis going...

    But that's not what he had in mind...

    Quite incredibly...he came right out and told me exactly what he wanted...he wanted me to write his entire thesis for him and he would just cut me a check...whatever amount I felt was appropriate...

    Needless to say I was quite taken aback by this...I felt like I needed a shower...

    And this is a so-called 'pastor' leading a flock...?

    Talk about a totally corrupted individual...no ethics whatsoever...

    I had never been much on church anyway...but felt it was a good family thing...what with all the moral decay and all...

    I had been willing to overlook his 'mistake' about trying to engage me in unethical behavior...but his subsequent militarizing of church service was the last straw...

    I said to hell with this bozo and called him and asked for my books back...I would have let him keep them...I actually had no prior intention of asking for them back...but he was just such a slimeball that he didn't deserve a simple kindness...

    He never even bothered to bring them to my house...I had to go chase him down...

    That's organized religion for you...I have to believe that they are all the same...in my case Protestant...in others Catholic, Jewish...whatever...

    I do have some Orthodox Christian friends and have been to their church services and it is quite ornate and ceremonial...and the few sermons I got to hear were really quite inspiring...and completely devoid of politics or any other 'worldliness'...

    Apparently Brother Nathaniel is an Orthodox...and my impression of this religion has been the most positive so far...

    But I do not intend to ever get my family involved in any religion again...to heck with it...not worth the trouble...

    I am sure you know that the funding of evangelical churches comes from Jews, not Christians. I dont know how much funding goes to other churches too. I know that about 2 years ago, when Pope Francis started talking about the poor, a very rich Jewish donor threatened to cut funding and he sent this message through Ken Langone. Langone advised the Pope to stop talking about the rich because to the donor who did not want to be named (but is rumored to be a jewish patron), his criticism of the rich sounded just like Nazis criticism of Jews

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    I have no idea one way or the other who funds what religion...except that they sponge as much as possible from ordinary folks...many of whom are barely scraping by to begin with...

    I have to say that all this anti-Jewish talk here is IMO off the mark...

    That is not to deny the crimes of Israel...and the Israel lobby is definitely a huge problem...

    But I don't see that Israel is the tail wagging the dog...that just seems to pat and easy...

    Someone earlier on this thread linked to a recent Crosstalk episode on RT about Dump's Jerusalem recognition...on which Mr. Giraldi was a guest...

    There was also another guest who was quite reasonable...and a third who was totally pro-Israel to the point of caricature...

    At one point host Peter Lavelle asked this guy...'what does the US get out of this relationship with Israel...?'

    And of course this guy started spouting nonsense about trade and just ridiculous off the wall stuff...

    But here is the point...what does the US get out of Israel...?

    What if the US is getting a whole lot out of Israel...?

    If we assume and rightly so...that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2...then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East...is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire...

    The US as I had already mentioned has been living high off the petrodollar...which is a basically a tax on all the people of the world...the US gets to print free money by the trillions each year because of this arrangement...

    This is what empires do...there is no question that the Emperors in Washington...who are really the financial and corporate plutocracy...not the 'elected' officials...

    ...they want the Empire...they need the Empire...

    Israel is crucial to that...and not just militarily but as an entire ideology about the 'only democracy' in the ME...etc..etc...

    Not just that...but Israel is a point of conflict...a very convenient powder keg that could go off at any time and cause chaos...

    Aha...that word chaos...it's what this empire thrives on isn't it...?

    There's no rhyme or reason behind the chaos caused by the US in the ME and central Asia in recent years...

    Or is there...?

    Chaos and the 'threat' of even greater chaos provides a convenient raison d'etre for the entire US posture as world policeman...

    It's like the crooked cop in a town with no crime who needs a collaborator to manufacture some...otherwise he's out of a job...

    As one poster insightfully mentioned here...the Puritans had no problem working with the Jews...even while they were slaughtering the Irish 500 years ago...which was good prep school for slaughtering Native Americans as soon as they got here...

    When it comes to the Jew 'bogeyman' there is no 'there' there...

    It is useless to think this way because it deflects attention from the real criminals...the really powerful ones [whatever religion or ethnicity they may be] who only work together with the Jews because the Jews are damn useful to their project of global hegemony...

    Paul Craig Roberts has long been calling out the US public as apathetic and 'insouciant'...this is the truth...

    Don't blame anyone but yourselves...take a good long look in the mirror...get the real facts instead of reaching for the easy answer...

    Did you ever stop to consider that giving the sheeple an easy answer is part of the plan...?

    Hitler gave the people an easy outlet for hate...whatever did or did not happen with the Jewish genocide...Hitler most certainly ruined his nation...and inflicted unimaginable horrors on the Russians too...and others...

    Yet there is a certain element that wants to idolize this foolish man...and adopt the easy answer that the Jews are all powerful and control everything and have for a long time...

    Occam's razor tells us that the straight line is the most logical one...

    I had posted this question here before...why if the Jews were so all powerful that they could literally pull the strings of starting the two world wars...

    ...why then would they even need to avail themselves of such a dangerous and risky enterprise as war...?

    it makes no sense...if they had all the power already...they could simply engineer society the way they wanted...

    The truth is that Jews are most certainly over-involved in what has become an evil global empire...that is probably because they have the skills that are needed for this kind of criminal enterprise...

    but it doesn't mean that they are the head honcho...or that they call the shots...logic says otherwise...

    one hundred years ago Eugene Debs pleaded with working people to stop the racial divide between white and black workers that the ruling elite had created as a diversion...

    He told them very simply...they don't care about black, white, yellow or red...their only color is green...

    Racial discord was the easy answer offered up by the ruling elites 100 years ago...Hitler offered the easy answer of the Jews...and people have been falling for it...

    This whole Jew thing looks suspiciously like more divide and conquer bait from the ruling elite...

    We're all the same to them...they are different from us...even the Jews among them don't care about the ordinary Jew...

    I'm not saying this is the answer...I could be wrong...but let's not jump to conclusions...let's discuss with reason and logic...

    But let's figure out if this whole Jew thing is just more bait from the ruling elite...it would not be the first time...

    And what if is...?

    We must at least think about that...
    , @anonymous
    Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein, Is International Fellowship of Christians & Jews a Scam?

    http://www.shema.com/international-fellowship-christians-jews-unworthy-support-5582/

    http://wildolivebranches.org/ifcj-scam/
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  177. peterAUS says:
    @SolontoCroesus


    I firmly believe in the power of the Word
     
    I don’t.
    I believe in a power of action based on that Word.
     
    Do you mean The Propaganda of the Deed, like this:

    Two Palestinian militants killed in Gaza 'preparing attack on Israel'
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-palestinian-militants-killed-gaza-153531973.html


    In a statement after Tuesday's explosion, Islamic Jihad said: "We mourn the men - 'martyrs of preparation'". The group usually employs the term to refer to casualties caused by the accidental detonation of weapons or explosives used in attacks against Israel.
     
    Why are Palestinians willing to risk death in pursuit of their desires?

    Nothing left to lose.
    Americans are too comfortable.
    Gideon Levy said that Israelis are also too comfortable -- and too well-protected against the futile, almost pathetic Palestinian gestures.

    --

    Hard to imagine how a really massive general strike can work in the USA -- it's too big, and too divided against itself with no unifying narrative or core. (One of the kids was in Paris, scheduled to fly home the day Air Traffic Controllers went on strike. Frenchmen know how to do strikes, massive strikes, general strikes, they're ready, knitting needle sharpened. France is much smaller than USA and, at the time of this particular episode, France was unified around Frenchness!
    USA is not unified.
    That's by design -- the war between men and wimmen was planned by Soros-types from before the election: Phase 1 was wimmen prancing around wearing vagina hats inspired by Russian female-like creatures who desecrated an Orthodox Church in Moscow.

    Phase 2 was Weinstein's outing. Anyone who doesn't realize that was part of a grand plan is not thinking carefully enough. Hollywood Jews could have outed Weinstein any time they wanted to; they picked now. Followed it up with what might have been unexpected disclosures.

    Then the #MeToo 'movement' emerged -- From where? who started it? Organic? Don't think so.

    The wimmen vs men movement leapfrogged to the US Congress. How'd that happen? Does anybody suppose a message was being sent to all those folks with Ben Gurion Airport tags on their luggage that it's best they stay in line; #Youtoo could become the object of an Israeli #MeToo.

    The Franken non-resignation resignation is a hoot: Let's start a pool: What'll you wager Franken will recant his resignation? The Franken gambit was virtue signaling, and also a deflection from the possibility of focusing on vile, sexist, demeaning-to-women Hollywood movies, fashion, and pornography. Hands off the elements that are designed to sexualize women with the purpose of stimulating men.

    At Charlottesville the people who brought you pink hats, #MeToo and '#YouToo effectively enflamed a war between Blacks and Whites. Was that event organic? Do you have an artificial Christmas tree in your parlor?

    So USA has all these factions, all working in opposition to one another.

    Hitler's genius, and threat, was that he united the German people around a shared cultural identity, Germanness.
    USA has no such shared identity.
    Jews are effective because they share an identity neurosis!

    So I don't think a massive general strike is in the cards.

    ---
    After writing to counter the baleful effects of the Jewish-controlled media and narrative, the only action I can think of for the minority to undertake in order to capture the attention of the apathetic majority is hunger strikes. "Mrs. Pankhurst has been clapped in irons again." Some may die. Who of us is willing to take that risk? For many, it's not just a personal risk, it's familiar; a version of Sophie's Choice: If I make a public spectacle of myself, i.e. by hunger striking, what will be the impact on those associated with me? Are they willing to take that risk?

    Jews don't have these qualms; they control the situation; it is Jews who will shame or harm the associates of those who speak out against the oppressive acts of Jews. 315 million held hostage by an imaginary 6 million.
    US government institutions will not protect Americans against the punitive actions of Jews.
    That's a real kick in the tail.

    Do you mean The Propaganda of the Deed

    Well, using those examples could be….unwise….when chatting on the Internet.
    I simply meant those:
    Massive protests and strikes with significant disobedience in military.

    Americans are too comfortable.

    Yup.

    Hard to imagine how a really massive general strike can work in the USA — it’s too big, and too divided against itself with no unifying narrative or core.

    USA is not unified.

    So I don’t think a massive general strike is in the cards.

    Agree.

    After writing to counter the baleful effects of the Jewish-controlled media and narrative, the only action I can think of for the minority to undertake in order to capture the attention of the apathetic majority is hunger strikes.

    Don’t think it would work in USA.

    Actually, you said it… “apathetic majority”.
    So, no massive protests, no civil disobedience, no general strikes, no dissent in ranks.
    My point exactly.
    We, apparently, agree then?!

    And, how about this:
    Pick up a city in Midwest where life isn’t good overall because of loss of manufacturing.
    Promise those people that, should “the regime in Teheran does not cease its intention to build a weapon of mass destruction” (or something similar) US will start rearming in order to counter that “grave threat to humanity”/whatever.
    As a part of that effort a big weapons/munitions/equipment factory will be built there employing, say, 10 000 persons (in the factory and related businesses-infrastructure, services etc).
    Now…..would you expect to see any meaningful protests in that city against “war effort”?
    I don’t think so.

    Multiply it around and there we go.

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  178. @SolontoCroesus


    I firmly believe in the power of the Word
     
    I don’t.
    I believe in a power of action based on that Word.
     
    Do you mean The Propaganda of the Deed, like this:

    Two Palestinian militants killed in Gaza 'preparing attack on Israel'
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-palestinian-militants-killed-gaza-153531973.html


    In a statement after Tuesday's explosion, Islamic Jihad said: "We mourn the men - 'martyrs of preparation'". The group usually employs the term to refer to casualties caused by the accidental detonation of weapons or explosives used in attacks against Israel.
     
    Why are Palestinians willing to risk death in pursuit of their desires?

    Nothing left to lose.
    Americans are too comfortable.
    Gideon Levy said that Israelis are also too comfortable -- and too well-protected against the futile, almost pathetic Palestinian gestures.

    --

    Hard to imagine how a really massive general strike can work in the USA -- it's too big, and too divided against itself with no unifying narrative or core. (One of the kids was in Paris, scheduled to fly home the day Air Traffic Controllers went on strike. Frenchmen know how to do strikes, massive strikes, general strikes, they're ready, knitting needle sharpened. France is much smaller than USA and, at the time of this particular episode, France was unified around Frenchness!
    USA is not unified.
    That's by design -- the war between men and wimmen was planned by Soros-types from before the election: Phase 1 was wimmen prancing around wearing vagina hats inspired by Russian female-like creatures who desecrated an Orthodox Church in Moscow.

    Phase 2 was Weinstein's outing. Anyone who doesn't realize that was part of a grand plan is not thinking carefully enough. Hollywood Jews could have outed Weinstein any time they wanted to; they picked now. Followed it up with what might have been unexpected disclosures.

    Then the #MeToo 'movement' emerged -- From where? who started it? Organic? Don't think so.

    The wimmen vs men movement leapfrogged to the US Congress. How'd that happen? Does anybody suppose a message was being sent to all those folks with Ben Gurion Airport tags on their luggage that it's best they stay in line; #Youtoo could become the object of an Israeli #MeToo.

    The Franken non-resignation resignation is a hoot: Let's start a pool: What'll you wager Franken will recant his resignation? The Franken gambit was virtue signaling, and also a deflection from the possibility of focusing on vile, sexist, demeaning-to-women Hollywood movies, fashion, and pornography. Hands off the elements that are designed to sexualize women with the purpose of stimulating men.

    At Charlottesville the people who brought you pink hats, #MeToo and '#YouToo effectively enflamed a war between Blacks and Whites. Was that event organic? Do you have an artificial Christmas tree in your parlor?

    So USA has all these factions, all working in opposition to one another.

    Hitler's genius, and threat, was that he united the German people around a shared cultural identity, Germanness.
    USA has no such shared identity.
    Jews are effective because they share an identity neurosis!

    So I don't think a massive general strike is in the cards.

    ---
    After writing to counter the baleful effects of the Jewish-controlled media and narrative, the only action I can think of for the minority to undertake in order to capture the attention of the apathetic majority is hunger strikes. "Mrs. Pankhurst has been clapped in irons again." Some may die. Who of us is willing to take that risk? For many, it's not just a personal risk, it's familiar; a version of Sophie's Choice: If I make a public spectacle of myself, i.e. by hunger striking, what will be the impact on those associated with me? Are they willing to take that risk?

    Jews don't have these qualms; they control the situation; it is Jews who will shame or harm the associates of those who speak out against the oppressive acts of Jews. 315 million held hostage by an imaginary 6 million.
    US government institutions will not protect Americans against the punitive actions of Jews.
    That's a real kick in the tail.

    Hey SolontoCroesus,

    As you write about citizens getting consistent “kicks-in-tail,” below is an Atlantic Monthly memory from bygone days of post-liberation Iraq, and how privately-owned Blackwater USA got hired (by our ever job-creating leadership) to “kick ass” against “non-combatants.”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/blackwater-and-the-time-warp-of-the-iraq-war/390480/

    Selah martyrs in belly of the green bird and wherefore The Maven.

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    Thank you, ChuchOrloski, for sharing the fruits of your knack for finding the right example at the right time, especially from the WayBack machine.
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  179. @SolontoCroesus


    I firmly believe in the power of the Word
     
    I don’t.
    I believe in a power of action based on that Word.
     
    Do you mean The Propaganda of the Deed, like this:

    Two Palestinian militants killed in Gaza 'preparing attack on Israel'
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-palestinian-militants-killed-gaza-153531973.html


    In a statement after Tuesday's explosion, Islamic Jihad said: "We mourn the men - 'martyrs of preparation'". The group usually employs the term to refer to casualties caused by the accidental detonation of weapons or explosives used in attacks against Israel.
     
    Why are Palestinians willing to risk death in pursuit of their desires?

    Nothing left to lose.
    Americans are too comfortable.
    Gideon Levy said that Israelis are also too comfortable -- and too well-protected against the futile, almost pathetic Palestinian gestures.

    --

    Hard to imagine how a really massive general strike can work in the USA -- it's too big, and too divided against itself with no unifying narrative or core. (One of the kids was in Paris, scheduled to fly home the day Air Traffic Controllers went on strike. Frenchmen know how to do strikes, massive strikes, general strikes, they're ready, knitting needle sharpened. France is much smaller than USA and, at the time of this particular episode, France was unified around Frenchness!
    USA is not unified.
    That's by design -- the war between men and wimmen was planned by Soros-types from before the election: Phase 1 was wimmen prancing around wearing vagina hats inspired by Russian female-like creatures who desecrated an Orthodox Church in Moscow.

    Phase 2 was Weinstein's outing. Anyone who doesn't realize that was part of a grand plan is not thinking carefully enough. Hollywood Jews could have outed Weinstein any time they wanted to; they picked now. Followed it up with what might have been unexpected disclosures.

    Then the #MeToo 'movement' emerged -- From where? who started it? Organic? Don't think so.

    The wimmen vs men movement leapfrogged to the US Congress. How'd that happen? Does anybody suppose a message was being sent to all those folks with Ben Gurion Airport tags on their luggage that it's best they stay in line; #Youtoo could become the object of an Israeli #MeToo.

    The Franken non-resignation resignation is a hoot: Let's start a pool: What'll you wager Franken will recant his resignation? The Franken gambit was virtue signaling, and also a deflection from the possibility of focusing on vile, sexist, demeaning-to-women Hollywood movies, fashion, and pornography. Hands off the elements that are designed to sexualize women with the purpose of stimulating men.

    At Charlottesville the people who brought you pink hats, #MeToo and '#YouToo effectively enflamed a war between Blacks and Whites. Was that event organic? Do you have an artificial Christmas tree in your parlor?

    So USA has all these factions, all working in opposition to one another.

    Hitler's genius, and threat, was that he united the German people around a shared cultural identity, Germanness.
    USA has no such shared identity.
    Jews are effective because they share an identity neurosis!

    So I don't think a massive general strike is in the cards.

    ---
    After writing to counter the baleful effects of the Jewish-controlled media and narrative, the only action I can think of for the minority to undertake in order to capture the attention of the apathetic majority is hunger strikes. "Mrs. Pankhurst has been clapped in irons again." Some may die. Who of us is willing to take that risk? For many, it's not just a personal risk, it's familiar; a version of Sophie's Choice: If I make a public spectacle of myself, i.e. by hunger striking, what will be the impact on those associated with me? Are they willing to take that risk?

    Jews don't have these qualms; they control the situation; it is Jews who will shame or harm the associates of those who speak out against the oppressive acts of Jews. 315 million held hostage by an imaginary 6 million.
    US government institutions will not protect Americans against the punitive actions of Jews.
    That's a real kick in the tail.

    The case of media hypocrisy.
    Senator Franken did his sexual misdeeds while he was member of the Senate.
    Senate must have the strictest code for behavior of his members.
    He obviously broke this code.
    The media, particularly CNN gave him free pass.

    Trumps possible misdeeds did happened decades ago while he was a private citizen
    Code of behaving of private citizens are definitely not so strict as a member of the senate.
    Did I make my case?

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  180. FB says:
    @Anon
    I am sure you know that the funding of evangelical churches comes from Jews, not Christians. I dont know how much funding goes to other churches too. I know that about 2 years ago, when Pope Francis started talking about the poor, a very rich Jewish donor threatened to cut funding and he sent this message through Ken Langone. Langone advised the Pope to stop talking about the rich because to the donor who did not want to be named (but is rumored to be a jewish patron), his criticism of the rich sounded just like Nazis criticism of Jews

    I have no idea one way or the other who funds what religion…except that they sponge as much as possible from ordinary folks…many of whom are barely scraping by to begin with…

    I have to say that all this anti-Jewish talk here is IMO off the mark…

    That is not to deny the crimes of Israel…and the Israel lobby is definitely a huge problem…

    But I don’t see that Israel is the tail wagging the dog…that just seems to pat and easy…

    Someone earlier on this thread linked to a recent Crosstalk episode on RT about Dump’s Jerusalem recognition…on which Mr. Giraldi was a guest…

    There was also another guest who was quite reasonable…and a third who was totally pro-Israel to the point of caricature…

    At one point host Peter Lavelle asked this guy…’what does the US get out of this relationship with Israel…?’

    And of course this guy started spouting nonsense about trade and just ridiculous off the wall stuff…

    But here is the point…what does the US get out of Israel…?

    What if the US is getting a whole lot out of Israel…?

    If we assume and rightly so…that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2…then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East…is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire…

    The US as I had already mentioned has been living high off the petrodollar…which is a basically a tax on all the people of the world…the US gets to print free money by the trillions each year because of this arrangement…

    This is what empires do…there is no question that the Emperors in Washington…who are really the financial and corporate plutocracy…not the ‘elected’ officials…

    …they want the Empire…they need the Empire…

    Israel is crucial to that…and not just militarily but as an entire ideology about the ‘only democracy’ in the ME…etc..etc…

    Not just that…but Israel is a point of conflict…a very convenient powder keg that could go off at any time and cause chaos…

    Aha…that word chaos…it’s what this empire thrives on isn’t it…?

    There’s no rhyme or reason behind the chaos caused by the US in the ME and central Asia in recent years…

    Or is there…?

    Chaos and the ‘threat’ of even greater chaos provides a convenient raison d’etre for the entire US posture as world policeman…

    It’s like the crooked cop in a town with no crime who needs a collaborator to manufacture some…otherwise he’s out of a job…

    As one poster insightfully mentioned here…the Puritans had no problem working with the Jews…even while they were slaughtering the Irish 500 years ago…which was good prep school for slaughtering Native Americans as soon as they got here…

    When it comes to the Jew ‘bogeyman’ there is no ‘there’ there…

    It is useless to think this way because it deflects attention from the real criminals…the really powerful ones [whatever religion or ethnicity they may be] who only work together with the Jews because the Jews are damn useful to their project of global hegemony…

    Paul Craig Roberts has long been calling out the US public as apathetic and ‘insouciant’…this is the truth…

    Don’t blame anyone but yourselves…take a good long look in the mirror…get the real facts instead of reaching for the easy answer…

    Did you ever stop to consider that giving the sheeple an easy answer is part of the plan…?

    Hitler gave the people an easy outlet for hate…whatever did or did not happen with the Jewish genocide…Hitler most certainly ruined his nation…and inflicted unimaginable horrors on the Russians too…and others…

    Yet there is a certain element that wants to idolize this foolish man…and adopt the easy answer that the Jews are all powerful and control everything and have for a long time…

    Occam’s razor tells us that the straight line is the most logical one…

    I had posted this question here before…why if the Jews were so all powerful that they could literally pull the strings of starting the two world wars…

    …why then would they even need to avail themselves of such a dangerous and risky enterprise as war…?

    it makes no sense…if they had all the power already…they could simply engineer society the way they wanted…

    The truth is that Jews are most certainly over-involved in what has become an evil global empire…that is probably because they have the skills that are needed for this kind of criminal enterprise…

    but it doesn’t mean that they are the head honcho…or that they call the shots…logic says otherwise…

    one hundred years ago Eugene Debs pleaded with working people to stop the racial divide between white and black workers that the ruling elite had created as a diversion…

    He told them very simply…they don’t care about black, white, yellow or red…their only color is green…

    Racial discord was the easy answer offered up by the ruling elites 100 years ago…Hitler offered the easy answer of the Jews…and people have been falling for it…

    This whole Jew thing looks suspiciously like more divide and conquer bait from the ruling elite…

    We’re all the same to them…they are different from us…even the Jews among them don’t care about the ordinary Jew…

    I’m not saying this is the answer…I could be wrong…but let’s not jump to conclusions…let’s discuss with reason and logic…

    But let’s figure out if this whole Jew thing is just more bait from the ruling elite…it would not be the first time…

    And what if is…?

    We must at least think about that…

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    FB: "If we assume and rightly so…that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2…then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East…is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire…"

    LOL. One of the most idiotic, ridiculous, BS statements I've read in quite a while...
    , @geokat62

    I’m not saying this is the answer…I could be wrong…but let’s not jump to conclusions…let’s discuss with reason and logic…
     
    Applause, applause. That was quite the performance, FB. Yes, let us discuss your points with reason and logic.

    But I don’t see that Israel is the tail wagging the dog…that just seems to pat and easy...
     
    As you no doubt are aware, the argument that the dog wags the tail is an old one whose most popular proponent is Noam Chomsky. While this argument may have had some semblance of truth during the Cold War days, it has since been superseded by the tail wags the dog argument put forth by Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt in The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy. You should give it a read, as it makes a convincing case that instead of being an asset, Israel now represents a liability to the US.

    Chaos and the ‘threat’ of even greater chaos provides a convenient raison d’etre for the entire US posture as world policeman…
     
    Ah, yes "Chaos." Rather than it being the desire of the world policeman, "chaos" is exactly what the two blueprints for remaking the ME called for. I, of course, am referring to Oded Yinon's A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s and PNAC's A Clean Break: A Strategy for Securing the Realm. You should give these two documents a read, FB, as it may enhance our discussion "with logic and reason."

    When it comes to the Jew ‘bogeyman’ there is no ‘there’ there…
     
    Oh, it's there alright. You just have to don the proper spectacles that will enable you to see pink elephants and 800 lb gorillas.

    It is useless to think this way because it deflects attention from the real criminals…the really powerful ones [whatever religion or ethnicity they may be] who only work together with the Jews because the Jews are damn useful to their project of global hegemony…
     
    Oh, I see. We are wasting our time focusing on the powerful ones, while the really, really, really powerful ones get away with murder? Do I understand you properly?

    For the record, FB, I readily admit that I'm just a dumb goyim. And the way I see it is this. The Lobby is comprised of two wings: one devoted to domestic policy, the other to foreign policy. The domestic policy wing has concentrated on pushing for mass immigration so that diaspora Jews could feel less threatened in a more heterogeneous society. They were at it for about 100 years before they were able to achieve their goal of passing a non-restrictionist immigration act, in 1965.

    The foreign policy wing, on the other hand, was focused on enhancing the security of the citizens of the Jewish state. To do this, the neocons were tasked with pushing for the phony GWOT to regime change 7 Muslim countries in 5 years that were hostile to the Jewish state. Although it took a little longer, 6 of the 7 countries have been destroyed (although the regime in Syria is still hanging in there) and the 7th one is currently in their cross hairs.

    These two objectives of The Lobby are what we dumb goyim are currently focused on. Once these two issues get addressed, we'll then turn our attention to the really, really, really powerful ones, I promise.

    , @Anonymous
    The US could have easily kept the ME obedient in serving the petrodollar just by existing as a military and economic superpower. Saddam was begging to be left alone. So did Gaddafi, the Afgan rulers and virtually everyone else in the area. None of it helped. The plan was always to trash their countries - by using the US goyim blood and treasure - and to keep them trashed and weak. This was outlined in the (((PNAC))) documents way before 9/11.

    The (((tail))) is wagging the dog.
    , @jilles dykstra
    There are quite a few opinions in Germany that Merked did, and does, more harm to Germany, by welcoming large scale immigration, than Hitler did.
    Germans as a culture and a people survived WWII, despite that some ten million Germans died, nearly a quarter of the 44 million population of 1940.
    Merkel about mass immigration 'wird Deutschland für immer ändern'.
    Translation 'will change Germany forever'.
    I fear she's right.
    If Merkel's behaviour can be explained by the idea that Germans must be changed, as guilty for two world wars and the holocaust, it may be.
    When she explained her immigration policy she hinted 'in the past it was different'.
    Demographic predictions for 2050 are frightening, the number of Muslims.
    Opinions exist that just the E European countries will remain European, those that completely refuse Muslim immigrants, the so called Visegrad countries, such as Poland, Hungary, Chechnia, Slovakia, Rumenia.
    , @Astuteobservor II
    this is excellent analysis.

    imo, both are getting something out of it. israel gets to finally kill off palestine and get their own jewish country.

    , @Joe Levantine
    “I have to say that all this anti-Jewish talk here is IMO off the mark…”
    This knotty question of who is the ultimate culprit, the PTB or the Zionist Jews, is an issue that can take far more space than this site provides.
    While the PTB have almost everybody convinced of their ubiquitous power and ruthlessness, the PTB is still an invisible empire that works its evil ways through accessories. What is undusputable is that Zionism is the most powerful arm of the PTB and it is visible.
    To be fair to your interlocutors, I would highly recommend to listen at YouTube to the speech of an insider in the world of Zionism, Mr. Benjamin Freedman at the Willard Hotel in 1961. While this speech will not resolve the egg or chicken first of PTB vs Zionism, it sheds a lot of light on the historic context of the two biggest calamities in the history of mankind, WWI and WWII, which should definitely help the reader understand how the current world’s predicament came to be.
    , @Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III
    Great post. This is a much more rational, reasonable and sane explanation of American empire than the myth of the omniscient Jew villain who controls the world with God-like powers.
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  181. geokat62 says:

    This one is for Incitatus.

    Excerpt from Philip Weiss’s article, A majority of one is pushing for embassy move — Sheldon Adelson:

    Eli Clifton notes that Sheldon Adelson– who along with his wife Miriam are Trump’s biggest donors at $35 million…

    When Adelson sought to stop Annapolis, George Bush tried to temporize with Adelson by saying (per Connie Bruck) “I can’t be more Catholic than the Pope.” (I.e., I’m not Netanyahu, give me some breathing room.)

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/jerusalem-failure-century/comment-page-1/

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    “Excerpt from Philip Weiss’s article…”
     
    Full quote (text you omitted in bold):

    “Eli Clifton notes that Sheldon Adelson who along with his wife Miriam are Trump’s biggest donors at $35 million — has expressed impatience with the Trump administration’s failure to move the embassy, and expressed fury when Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said he was opposed to the move.”

    “Adelson’s own newspaper in Nevada said that Adelson was nettled by Trump’s hesitancy to move the embassy, in October. While the Times of Israel said that Adelson was so pissed last spring, that he had shut off the “spigot” of cash to Trump.”
     
    Latest reports have no timetable for moving the embassy. Trump’s recognition is like the Diet Coke he guzzles – full of gas. Seems Shelly and Miriam aren’t fooled. One expects the real thing for $35 million.

    Guess what’s about to pass Congress? A new bill that reduces corporate and estate taxes, eliminates healthcare mandates, limits blue state SLT and mortgage interest deductions, and temporarily throws a few crumbs to the ‘middle class’. Despite abject failure of similar measures in Kansas (Koch Bros home state).

    Not to mention EPA ‘reform’, ‘net neutrality’, National Park territory reductions, CFPB dismantlement, CVS-Aetna consolidation, etc. Who’s getting all this done?

    Ranked Sector Lobbying Expenditures [2017 alone]:

    Health: $413,776,411
    Finance/Insurance/Real Estate: $370,608,822
    Misc. Business: $353,610,091
    Communications/Electronics: $297,340,365
    Energy/Natural Resources: $230,298,293
    Transportation: $178,157,786
    Ideology/Single Issue [human rights, environment, guns, Israel, etc]: $107,161,403

    https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?showYear=2017&indexType=c

    Wealthy donors?

    ‘Koch Political Network to Spend $300M to $400M Over 2 years”
    -29 Jan 2017 AP/Fortune

    http://fortune.com/2017/01/29/koch-political-network-spending/
     
    Need one say more?
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  182. L.K says:
    @FB
    I have no idea one way or the other who funds what religion...except that they sponge as much as possible from ordinary folks...many of whom are barely scraping by to begin with...

    I have to say that all this anti-Jewish talk here is IMO off the mark...

    That is not to deny the crimes of Israel...and the Israel lobby is definitely a huge problem...

    But I don't see that Israel is the tail wagging the dog...that just seems to pat and easy...

    Someone earlier on this thread linked to a recent Crosstalk episode on RT about Dump's Jerusalem recognition...on which Mr. Giraldi was a guest...

    There was also another guest who was quite reasonable...and a third who was totally pro-Israel to the point of caricature...

    At one point host Peter Lavelle asked this guy...'what does the US get out of this relationship with Israel...?'

    And of course this guy started spouting nonsense about trade and just ridiculous off the wall stuff...

    But here is the point...what does the US get out of Israel...?

    What if the US is getting a whole lot out of Israel...?

    If we assume and rightly so...that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2...then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East...is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire...

    The US as I had already mentioned has been living high off the petrodollar...which is a basically a tax on all the people of the world...the US gets to print free money by the trillions each year because of this arrangement...

    This is what empires do...there is no question that the Emperors in Washington...who are really the financial and corporate plutocracy...not the 'elected' officials...

    ...they want the Empire...they need the Empire...

    Israel is crucial to that...and not just militarily but as an entire ideology about the 'only democracy' in the ME...etc..etc...

    Not just that...but Israel is a point of conflict...a very convenient powder keg that could go off at any time and cause chaos...

    Aha...that word chaos...it's what this empire thrives on isn't it...?

    There's no rhyme or reason behind the chaos caused by the US in the ME and central Asia in recent years...

    Or is there...?

    Chaos and the 'threat' of even greater chaos provides a convenient raison d'etre for the entire US posture as world policeman...

    It's like the crooked cop in a town with no crime who needs a collaborator to manufacture some...otherwise he's out of a job...

    As one poster insightfully mentioned here...the Puritans had no problem working with the Jews...even while they were slaughtering the Irish 500 years ago...which was good prep school for slaughtering Native Americans as soon as they got here...

    When it comes to the Jew 'bogeyman' there is no 'there' there...

    It is useless to think this way because it deflects attention from the real criminals...the really powerful ones [whatever religion or ethnicity they may be] who only work together with the Jews because the Jews are damn useful to their project of global hegemony...

    Paul Craig Roberts has long been calling out the US public as apathetic and 'insouciant'...this is the truth...

    Don't blame anyone but yourselves...take a good long look in the mirror...get the real facts instead of reaching for the easy answer...

    Did you ever stop to consider that giving the sheeple an easy answer is part of the plan...?

    Hitler gave the people an easy outlet for hate...whatever did or did not happen with the Jewish genocide...Hitler most certainly ruined his nation...and inflicted unimaginable horrors on the Russians too...and others...

    Yet there is a certain element that wants to idolize this foolish man...and adopt the easy answer that the Jews are all powerful and control everything and have for a long time...

    Occam's razor tells us that the straight line is the most logical one...

    I had posted this question here before...why if the Jews were so all powerful that they could literally pull the strings of starting the two world wars...

    ...why then would they even need to avail themselves of such a dangerous and risky enterprise as war...?

    it makes no sense...if they had all the power already...they could simply engineer society the way they wanted...

    The truth is that Jews are most certainly over-involved in what has become an evil global empire...that is probably because they have the skills that are needed for this kind of criminal enterprise...

    but it doesn't mean that they are the head honcho...or that they call the shots...logic says otherwise...

    one hundred years ago Eugene Debs pleaded with working people to stop the racial divide between white and black workers that the ruling elite had created as a diversion...

    He told them very simply...they don't care about black, white, yellow or red...their only color is green...

    Racial discord was the easy answer offered up by the ruling elites 100 years ago...Hitler offered the easy answer of the Jews...and people have been falling for it...

    This whole Jew thing looks suspiciously like more divide and conquer bait from the ruling elite...

    We're all the same to them...they are different from us...even the Jews among them don't care about the ordinary Jew...

    I'm not saying this is the answer...I could be wrong...but let's not jump to conclusions...let's discuss with reason and logic...

    But let's figure out if this whole Jew thing is just more bait from the ruling elite...it would not be the first time...

    And what if is...?

    We must at least think about that...

    FB: “If we assume and rightly so…that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2…then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East…is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire…”

    LOL. One of the most idiotic, ridiculous, BS statements I’ve read in quite a while…

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    And of course you back your statement up with absolutely nothing...

    We are just supposed to take the word of an obvious illiterate...?
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    If you consider the word fortress unacceptable, than you may consider a word bait.
    It does not really make any difference.
    It is still used as a control point for the Levant.
    , @Miro23

    FB: “If we assume and rightly so…that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2…then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East…is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire…”

    LOL. One of the most idiotic, ridiculous, BS statements I’ve read in quite a while…
     

     
    Yes, completely the wrong way round. Israel isn't crucial to the continued existence of the US, but the US is crucial to the continued existence of Israel.

    Just to get some context on Empire:

    A small island of the west coast of Europe (Great Britain) used to own a worldwide Empire. Englishmen ran the world's Central Bank (Bank of England), denominated world trade in its currency (Pound Sterling) and enforced the whole thing using Imperial troops and "Gunboat Diplomacy".

    Similarly a small country in the Middle East (Israel) now owns an Empire (the United States). Jews runs the world's Central Bank (Federal Reserve), denominate world trade in its currency (US Dollar) and enforce the whole thing using Imperial troops and constant war.

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  183. L.K says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Hey L.K.

    You are in no need for undergrad work, but I pass on Uri Avnery's article below, "Emperor and King. As Israel has more freedom of press than ZUSA, I initially checked at Haarretz & read the 1st paragrsph.

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1512137281

    Thanks as always.

    P.S. Am hoping for Brother Nathanael's appearance at U.R.

    Hey Chuck,

    Thanks for the link;

    Take a look at these:

    Robert Martin is an Australian activist who has visited occupied Palestine.
    Abed al-Rahman Shadi Obeidallah, 12 was killed by a sniper at Aida refugee camp

    Israel abuse children everyday and have done for years

    My weekend in Palestine

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  184. geokat62 says:
    @FB
    I have no idea one way or the other who funds what religion...except that they sponge as much as possible from ordinary folks...many of whom are barely scraping by to begin with...

    I have to say that all this anti-Jewish talk here is IMO off the mark...

    That is not to deny the crimes of Israel...and the Israel lobby is definitely a huge problem...

    But I don't see that Israel is the tail wagging the dog...that just seems to pat and easy...

    Someone earlier on this thread linked to a recent Crosstalk episode on RT about Dump's Jerusalem recognition...on which Mr. Giraldi was a guest...

    There was also another guest who was quite reasonable...and a third who was totally pro-Israel to the point of caricature...

    At one point host Peter Lavelle asked this guy...'what does the US get out of this relationship with Israel...?'

    And of course this guy started spouting nonsense about trade and just ridiculous off the wall stuff...

    But here is the point...what does the US get out of Israel...?

    What if the US is getting a whole lot out of Israel...?

    If we assume and rightly so...that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2...then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East...is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire...

    The US as I had already mentioned has been living high off the petrodollar...which is a basically a tax on all the people of the world...the US gets to print free money by the trillions each year because of this arrangement...

    This is what empires do...there is no question that the Emperors in Washington...who are really the financial and corporate plutocracy...not the 'elected' officials...

    ...they want the Empire...they need the Empire...

    Israel is crucial to that...and not just militarily but as an entire ideology about the 'only democracy' in the ME...etc..etc...

    Not just that...but Israel is a point of conflict...a very convenient powder keg that could go off at any time and cause chaos...

    Aha...that word chaos...it's what this empire thrives on isn't it...?

    There's no rhyme or reason behind the chaos caused by the US in the ME and central Asia in recent years...

    Or is there...?

    Chaos and the 'threat' of even greater chaos provides a convenient raison d'etre for the entire US posture as world policeman...

    It's like the crooked cop in a town with no crime who needs a collaborator to manufacture some...otherwise he's out of a job...

    As one poster insightfully mentioned here...the Puritans had no problem working with the Jews...even while they were slaughtering the Irish 500 years ago...which was good prep school for slaughtering Native Americans as soon as they got here...

    When it comes to the Jew 'bogeyman' there is no 'there' there...

    It is useless to think this way because it deflects attention from the real criminals...the really powerful ones [whatever religion or ethnicity they may be] who only work together with the Jews because the Jews are damn useful to their project of global hegemony...

    Paul Craig Roberts has long been calling out the US public as apathetic and 'insouciant'...this is the truth...

    Don't blame anyone but yourselves...take a good long look in the mirror...get the real facts instead of reaching for the easy answer...

    Did you ever stop to consider that giving the sheeple an easy answer is part of the plan...?

    Hitler gave the people an easy outlet for hate...whatever did or did not happen with the Jewish genocide...Hitler most certainly ruined his nation...and inflicted unimaginable horrors on the Russians too...and others...

    Yet there is a certain element that wants to idolize this foolish man...and adopt the easy answer that the Jews are all powerful and control everything and have for a long time...

    Occam's razor tells us that the straight line is the most logical one...

    I had posted this question here before...why if the Jews were so all powerful that they could literally pull the strings of starting the two world wars...

    ...why then would they even need to avail themselves of such a dangerous and risky enterprise as war...?

    it makes no sense...if they had all the power already...they could simply engineer society the way they wanted...

    The truth is that Jews are most certainly over-involved in what has become an evil global empire...that is probably because they have the skills that are needed for this kind of criminal enterprise...

    but it doesn't mean that they are the head honcho...or that they call the shots...logic says otherwise...

    one hundred years ago Eugene Debs pleaded with working people to stop the racial divide between white and black workers that the ruling elite had created as a diversion...

    He told them very simply...they don't care about black, white, yellow or red...their only color is green...

    Racial discord was the easy answer offered up by the ruling elites 100 years ago...Hitler offered the easy answer of the Jews...and people have been falling for it...

    This whole Jew thing looks suspiciously like more divide and conquer bait from the ruling elite...

    We're all the same to them...they are different from us...even the Jews among them don't care about the ordinary Jew...

    I'm not saying this is the answer...I could be wrong...but let's not jump to conclusions...let's discuss with reason and logic...

    But let's figure out if this whole Jew thing is just more bait from the ruling elite...it would not be the first time...

    And what if is...?

    We must at least think about that...

    I’m not saying this is the answer…I could be wrong…but let’s not jump to conclusions…let’s discuss with reason and logic…

    Applause, applause. That was quite the performance, FB. Yes, let us discuss your points with reason and logic.

    But I don’t see that Israel is the tail wagging the dog…that just seems to pat and easy…

    As you no doubt are aware, the argument that the dog wags the tail is an old one whose most popular proponent is Noam Chomsky. While this argument may have had some semblance of truth during the Cold War days, it has since been superseded by the tail wags the dog argument put forth by Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt in The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy. You should give it a read, as it makes a convincing case that instead of being an asset, Israel now represents a liability to the US.

    Chaos and the ‘threat’ of even greater chaos provides a convenient raison d’etre for the entire US posture as world policeman…

    Ah, yes “Chaos.” Rather than it being the desire of the world policeman, “chaos” is exactly what the two blueprints for remaking the ME called for. I, of course, am referring to Oded Yinon’s A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s and PNAC’s A Clean Break: A Strategy for Securing the Realm. You should give these two documents a read, FB, as it may enhance our discussion “with logic and reason.”

    When it comes to the Jew ‘bogeyman’ there is no ‘there’ there…

    Oh, it’s there alright. You just have to don the proper spectacles that will enable you to see pink elephants and 800 lb gorillas.

    It is useless to think this way because it deflects attention from the real criminals…the really powerful ones [whatever religion or ethnicity they may be] who only work together with the Jews because the Jews are damn useful to their project of global hegemony…

    Oh, I see. We are wasting our time focusing on the powerful ones, while the really, really, really powerful ones get away with murder? Do I understand you properly?

    For the record, FB, I readily admit that I’m just a dumb goyim. And the way I see it is this. The Lobby is comprised of two wings: one devoted to domestic policy, the other to foreign policy. The domestic policy wing has concentrated on pushing for mass immigration so that diaspora Jews could feel less threatened in a more heterogeneous society. They were at it for about 100 years before they were able to achieve their goal of passing a non-restrictionist immigration act, in 1965.

    The foreign policy wing, on the other hand, was focused on enhancing the security of the citizens of the Jewish state. To do this, the neocons were tasked with pushing for the phony GWOT to regime change 7 Muslim countries in 5 years that were hostile to the Jewish state. Although it took a little longer, 6 of the 7 countries have been destroyed (although the regime in Syria is still hanging in there) and the 7th one is currently in their cross hairs.

    These two objectives of The Lobby are what we dumb goyim are currently focused on. Once these two issues get addressed, we’ll then turn our attention to the really, really, really powerful ones, I promise.

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    Well...at least you present a semblance of an argument...unlike your herd-mentality buddies here...

    The bone of contention seems to have boiled down to this...

    Is it the dog or the tail that's doing the wagging...?

    You cited Mearshimer and Walt...who...

    '...emphasize that the lobby is not a cabal or a conspiracy but simply a powerful interest group like the National Rifle Association or the farm lobby.

    Their core argument is that the policies that the lobby pushes are not in the United States' national interest, nor ultimately that of Israel...'
     
    I fully agree with that...in fact it is perfectly rational...

    A lot of things Mearshimer has said...especially about Russia and the Ukraine putch...are quite rational...he is a realist...

    But the question then comes back to square one...who is choosing to let the Israel lobby have their way...?

    Why don't you tell me...?

    I said my piece...the powers that be want an empire and Israel is the perfect tool / foil / accomplice for this project...

    Does that mean they run the show...?

    Like I said I doubt it...and you have not made a solid argument that they do...

    I'm keeping an open mind...if you can argue convincingly that the Israel lobby has taken over and is calling the shots...then let's see it...

    I happen to think that Imperialists are the problem...and without those imperialists' consent the Israel lobby could not operate in this way...?

    Is someone holding a gun to someone's head...?

    You can hide behind farce [and I did get a good self-deprecating laugh out of your mocking my 'really really powerful individuals' shtick]...

    ...but it doesn't prove that Jews and the Israel lobby have taken full control...somebody can still say no...but do they want to...?

    throw something up and let's see what you got...
    , @FB
    Oh and btw...you said this...

    The domestic policy wing [of the Israel lobby] has concentrated on pushing for mass immigration so that diaspora Jews could feel less threatened in a more heterogeneous society. They were at it for about 100 years before they were able to achieve their goal of passing a non-restrictionist immigration act, in 1965.
     
    And I had said previously in this thread the real reason why mass immigration is needed...

    Ever hear of Exponential Growth...?

    That's the way our economy is set up...it has to do with exponential math...just like compound interest...and Ponzi schemes...

    No difference...these three are mathematical constructs that are fundamentally identical...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth#Examples

    The only way to sustain exponential growth in an economy is to import more people...simple math...

    I would say the idea of preventing the US economy of going pfft like a flat tire is reason enough to import more wage slaves...but that's just my opinion...

    A 'heterogenous' state where Jews feel more safe seems a little bit more out on a limb...don't you think...?
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  185. FB says:
    @L.K
    FB: "If we assume and rightly so…that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2…then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East…is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire…"

    LOL. One of the most idiotic, ridiculous, BS statements I've read in quite a while...

    And of course you back your statement up with absolutely nothing…

    We are just supposed to take the word of an obvious illiterate…?

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  186. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Vidi

    Well the Jews have won, hands down. Time to find some new websites to read cause this is just getting depressing.
     
    No, the Jews haven't won. In fact, they are losing. The proof is that Trump is president, not Hillary -- in spite of nearly nonstop assault on Trump before Nov 2016 by the mainstream media. It's clear that roughly half of the American people are unconvinced, to put it mildly, by the mainstream propaganda; this percentage can only increase, as their lies become more desperate and blatant.

    Of course, since the inauguration they seem to have taken over what passes for Trump's brain. But this too will pass. The neocon peak was the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan; since then, their ability to start another war for Israel's benefit has sharply declined. They are now reduced to using indirect methods (i.e. Jerusalem) to sucker the U.S. into another war. They can't do it directly any more. As I said, they are losing: their influence is waning fast.

    American people are unconvinced, to put it mildly, by the mainstream propaganda; this percentage can only increase, as their lies become more desperate and blatant.

    Very true. The goyim know.

    Less Than 1 In 3 Trust Mainstream Media, Martin Armstrong Warns “Their End Is Near”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-01/less-1-3-trust-mainstream-media-martin-armstrong-warns-their-end-near

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    Less Than 1 In 3 Trust Mainstream Media, Martin Armstrong Warns “Their End Is Near”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/12/01/20161201_gallup.jpg

     

    Good article, thanks for the link.

    I was pretty sure that at least half of the electorate distrusted the mainstream media, and I am not surprised that the fraction of doubters is now two thirds. The recent CNN fiasco -- where they were caught lying -- should trash the mainstream media's credibility even more, and shows how desperate they really are.
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  187. @L.K
    FB: "If we assume and rightly so…that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2…then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East…is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire…"

    LOL. One of the most idiotic, ridiculous, BS statements I've read in quite a while...

    If you consider the word fortress unacceptable, than you may consider a word bait.
    It does not really make any difference.
    It is still used as a control point for the Levant.

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  188. @nsa
    "the American public isn't as gullible as before...."
    Ha, Ha. You obviously do not live here. 99% of Americans have a flat screen JooBox installed in their living rooms and believe everything (jooie managed images and info) spewing forth from it. More than 50% of Americans have multiple flat screen JooBoxes in their homes so they can be sure not to miss the latest disinfo or lies. The power of the JooBox in the USA is near total.....examine the way it can spread glib moronic cliches throughout the population almost overnight: "my bad", "winning", "whatever", "thinking outside the box", "new paradigm", "thrown under the bus", "kicked to the curb", "24, 7".....etc. List is near endless. The best overused trash cliche occurs when two morons happen to share a thought....one of the morons proclaims a loud "BINGO!" showing profound agreement. Note that Orwell was 100% wrong. The modern Winston Smiths and Julias yearn to keep their blinking flat screen JooBoxes on so as to absorb the maximum amount of jooie lies and disinfo.......not turn the beast off or damage it.

    Excellent! Well said- this is the crux of the matter.
    I admire the Amish for shunning all the printed clap- trap that comes from Madison ave., et al…for the very same reasons as shunning the Televitz…

    There’s something to be said for not allowing “the devils tightrope” to be hooked up to your home. Electronics being the means by which men are made soft and degenerate.

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  189. Miro23 says:
    @L.K
    FB: "If we assume and rightly so…that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2…then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East…is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire…"

    LOL. One of the most idiotic, ridiculous, BS statements I've read in quite a while...

    FB: “If we assume and rightly so…that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2…then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East…is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire…”

    LOL. One of the most idiotic, ridiculous, BS statements I’ve read in quite a while…

    Yes, completely the wrong way round. Israel isn’t crucial to the continued existence of the US, but the US is crucial to the continued existence of Israel.

    Just to get some context on Empire:

    A small island of the west coast of Europe (Great Britain) used to own a worldwide Empire. Englishmen ran the world’s Central Bank (Bank of England), denominated world trade in its currency (Pound Sterling) and enforced the whole thing using Imperial troops and “Gunboat Diplomacy”.

    Similarly a small country in the Middle East (Israel) now owns an Empire (the United States). Jews runs the world’s Central Bank (Federal Reserve), denominate world trade in its currency (US Dollar) and enforce the whole thing using Imperial troops and constant war.

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    Similarly a small country in the Middle East (Israel) now owns an Empire (the United States). Jews runs the world’s Central Bank (Federal Reserve), denominate world trade in its currency (US Dollar) and enforce the whole thing using Imperial troops and constant war.
     
    Or maybe the Jews ran the British Empire as well...?

    That's what your buddies want you to believe...maybe you didn't get the memo...?
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  190. FB says:
    @geokat62

    I’m not saying this is the answer…I could be wrong…but let’s not jump to conclusions…let’s discuss with reason and logic…
     
    Applause, applause. That was quite the performance, FB. Yes, let us discuss your points with reason and logic.

    But I don’t see that Israel is the tail wagging the dog…that just seems to pat and easy...
     
    As you no doubt are aware, the argument that the dog wags the tail is an old one whose most popular proponent is Noam Chomsky. While this argument may have had some semblance of truth during the Cold War days, it has since been superseded by the tail wags the dog argument put forth by Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt in The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy. You should give it a read, as it makes a convincing case that instead of being an asset, Israel now represents a liability to the US.

    Chaos and the ‘threat’ of even greater chaos provides a convenient raison d’etre for the entire US posture as world policeman…
     
    Ah, yes "Chaos." Rather than it being the desire of the world policeman, "chaos" is exactly what the two blueprints for remaking the ME called for. I, of course, am referring to Oded Yinon's A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s and PNAC's A Clean Break: A Strategy for Securing the Realm. You should give these two documents a read, FB, as it may enhance our discussion "with logic and reason."

    When it comes to the Jew ‘bogeyman’ there is no ‘there’ there…
     
    Oh, it's there alright. You just have to don the proper spectacles that will enable you to see pink elephants and 800 lb gorillas.

    It is useless to think this way because it deflects attention from the real criminals…the really powerful ones [whatever religion or ethnicity they may be] who only work together with the Jews because the Jews are damn useful to their project of global hegemony…
     
    Oh, I see. We are wasting our time focusing on the powerful ones, while the really, really, really powerful ones get away with murder? Do I understand you properly?

    For the record, FB, I readily admit that I'm just a dumb goyim. And the way I see it is this. The Lobby is comprised of two wings: one devoted to domestic policy, the other to foreign policy. The domestic policy wing has concentrated on pushing for mass immigration so that diaspora Jews could feel less threatened in a more heterogeneous society. They were at it for about 100 years before they were able to achieve their goal of passing a non-restrictionist immigration act, in 1965.

    The foreign policy wing, on the other hand, was focused on enhancing the security of the citizens of the Jewish state. To do this, the neocons were tasked with pushing for the phony GWOT to regime change 7 Muslim countries in 5 years that were hostile to the Jewish state. Although it took a little longer, 6 of the 7 countries have been destroyed (although the regime in Syria is still hanging in there) and the 7th one is currently in their cross hairs.

    These two objectives of The Lobby are what we dumb goyim are currently focused on. Once these two issues get addressed, we'll then turn our attention to the really, really, really powerful ones, I promise.

    Well…at least you present a semblance of an argument…unlike your herd-mentality buddies here…

    The bone of contention seems to have boiled down to this…

    Is it the dog or the tail that’s doing the wagging…?

    You cited Mearshimer and Walt…who…

    ‘…emphasize that the lobby is not a cabal or a conspiracy but simply a powerful interest group like the National Rifle Association or the farm lobby.

    Their core argument is that the policies that the lobby pushes are not in the United States’ national interest, nor ultimately that of Israel…’

    I fully agree with that…in fact it is perfectly rational…

    A lot of things Mearshimer has said…especially about Russia and the Ukraine putch…are quite rational…he is a realist…

    But the question then comes back to square one…who is choosing to let the Israel lobby have their way…?

    Why don’t you tell me…?

    I said my piece…the powers that be want an empire and Israel is the perfect tool / foil / accomplice for this project…

    Does that mean they run the show…?

    Like I said I doubt it…and you have not made a solid argument that they do…

    I’m keeping an open mind…if you can argue convincingly that the Israel lobby has taken over and is calling the shots…then let’s see it…

    I happen to think that Imperialists are the problem…and without those imperialists’ consent the Israel lobby could not operate in this way…?

    Is someone holding a gun to someone’s head…?

    You can hide behind farce [and I did get a good self-deprecating laugh out of your mocking my 'really really powerful individuals' shtick]…

    …but it doesn’t prove that Jews and the Israel lobby have taken full control…somebody can still say no…but do they want to…?

    throw something up and let’s see what you got…

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    FB: "Throw something up and let's see what you got."

    (Zigh)

    Wish Brother Nathanael was here at the U.R. and he would plain spokenly reveal what evidence "he got" to share on pervasive & unchallenged Zionist Jew power in the US.

    Meanwhile, below is The Orthodox Bro who's in the Know.

    https://youtu.be/Jk5M_qLnBmg
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  191. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @FB
    I have no idea one way or the other who funds what religion...except that they sponge as much as possible from ordinary folks...many of whom are barely scraping by to begin with...

    I have to say that all this anti-Jewish talk here is IMO off the mark...

    That is not to deny the crimes of Israel...and the Israel lobby is definitely a huge problem...

    But I don't see that Israel is the tail wagging the dog...that just seems to pat and easy...

    Someone earlier on this thread linked to a recent Crosstalk episode on RT about Dump's Jerusalem recognition...on which Mr. Giraldi was a guest...

    There was also another guest who was quite reasonable...and a third who was totally pro-Israel to the point of caricature...

    At one point host Peter Lavelle asked this guy...'what does the US get out of this relationship with Israel...?'

    And of course this guy started spouting nonsense about trade and just ridiculous off the wall stuff...

    But here is the point...what does the US get out of Israel...?

    What if the US is getting a whole lot out of Israel...?

    If we assume and rightly so...that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2...then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East...is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire...

    The US as I had already mentioned has been living high off the petrodollar...which is a basically a tax on all the people of the world...the US gets to print free money by the trillions each year because of this arrangement...

    This is what empires do...there is no question that the Emperors in Washington...who are really the financial and corporate plutocracy...not the 'elected' officials...

    ...they want the Empire...they need the Empire...

    Israel is crucial to that...and not just militarily but as an entire ideology about the 'only democracy' in the ME...etc..etc...

    Not just that...but Israel is a point of conflict...a very convenient powder keg that could go off at any time and cause chaos...

    Aha...that word chaos...it's what this empire thrives on isn't it...?

    There's no rhyme or reason behind the chaos caused by the US in the ME and central Asia in recent years...

    Or is there...?

    Chaos and the 'threat' of even greater chaos provides a convenient raison d'etre for the entire US posture as world policeman...

    It's like the crooked cop in a town with no crime who needs a collaborator to manufacture some...otherwise he's out of a job...

    As one poster insightfully mentioned here...the Puritans had no problem working with the Jews...even while they were slaughtering the Irish 500 years ago...which was good prep school for slaughtering Native Americans as soon as they got here...

    When it comes to the Jew 'bogeyman' there is no 'there' there...

    It is useless to think this way because it deflects attention from the real criminals...the really powerful ones [whatever religion or ethnicity they may be] who only work together with the Jews because the Jews are damn useful to their project of global hegemony...

    Paul Craig Roberts has long been calling out the US public as apathetic and 'insouciant'...this is the truth...

    Don't blame anyone but yourselves...take a good long look in the mirror...get the real facts instead of reaching for the easy answer...

    Did you ever stop to consider that giving the sheeple an easy answer is part of the plan...?

    Hitler gave the people an easy outlet for hate...whatever did or did not happen with the Jewish genocide...Hitler most certainly ruined his nation...and inflicted unimaginable horrors on the Russians too...and others...

    Yet there is a certain element that wants to idolize this foolish man...and adopt the easy answer that the Jews are all powerful and control everything and have for a long time...

    Occam's razor tells us that the straight line is the most logical one...

    I had posted this question here before...why if the Jews were so all powerful that they could literally pull the strings of starting the two world wars...

    ...why then would they even need to avail themselves of such a dangerous and risky enterprise as war...?

    it makes no sense...if they had all the power already...they could simply engineer society the way they wanted...

    The truth is that Jews are most certainly over-involved in what has become an evil global empire...that is probably because they have the skills that are needed for this kind of criminal enterprise...

    but it doesn't mean that they are the head honcho...or that they call the shots...logic says otherwise...

    one hundred years ago Eugene Debs pleaded with working people to stop the racial divide between white and black workers that the ruling elite had created as a diversion...

    He told them very simply...they don't care about black, white, yellow or red...their only color is green...

    Racial discord was the easy answer offered up by the ruling elites 100 years ago...Hitler offered the easy answer of the Jews...and people have been falling for it...

    This whole Jew thing looks suspiciously like more divide and conquer bait from the ruling elite...

    We're all the same to them...they are different from us...even the Jews among them don't care about the ordinary Jew...

    I'm not saying this is the answer...I could be wrong...but let's not jump to conclusions...let's discuss with reason and logic...

    But let's figure out if this whole Jew thing is just more bait from the ruling elite...it would not be the first time...

    And what if is...?

    We must at least think about that...

    The US could have easily kept the ME obedient in serving the petrodollar just by existing as a military and economic superpower. Saddam was begging to be left alone. So did Gaddafi, the Afgan rulers and virtually everyone else in the area. None of it helped. The plan was always to trash their countries – by using the US goyim blood and treasure – and to keep them trashed and weak. This was outlined in the (((PNAC))) documents way before 9/11.

    The (((tail))) is wagging the dog.

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    The US could have easily kept the ME obedient in serving the petrodollar just by existing as a military and economic superpower. Saddam was begging to be left alone. So did Gaddafi, the Afgan rulers and virtually everyone else in the area.
     
    Not so fast...

    Saddam was about to dump the dollar and sell Iraqi oil in Euro...

    Gaddafi was a gadfly who was working on a Gold Dinar for all of Africa...

    Your facts are not quite facts...
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  192. FB says:
    @Miro23

    FB: “If we assume and rightly so…that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2…then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East…is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire…”

    LOL. One of the most idiotic, ridiculous, BS statements I’ve read in quite a while…
     

     
    Yes, completely the wrong way round. Israel isn't crucial to the continued existence of the US, but the US is crucial to the continued existence of Israel.

    Just to get some context on Empire:

    A small island of the west coast of Europe (Great Britain) used to own a worldwide Empire. Englishmen ran the world's Central Bank (Bank of England), denominated world trade in its currency (Pound Sterling) and enforced the whole thing using Imperial troops and "Gunboat Diplomacy".

    Similarly a small country in the Middle East (Israel) now owns an Empire (the United States). Jews runs the world's Central Bank (Federal Reserve), denominate world trade in its currency (US Dollar) and enforce the whole thing using Imperial troops and constant war.

    Similarly a small country in the Middle East (Israel) now owns an Empire (the United States). Jews runs the world’s Central Bank (Federal Reserve), denominate world trade in its currency (US Dollar) and enforce the whole thing using Imperial troops and constant war.

    Or maybe the Jews ran the British Empire as well…?

    That’s what your buddies want you to believe…maybe you didn’t get the memo…?

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    In the second half of the 19th century a jew was prime minister.
    E. T. Raymond (Edward Raymond Thompson), 'Disraeli: The Alien Patriot', 1925, London

    The British Secretary for India at the time of the Balfour declaration was a jew, he opposed zionism, he considered himself an assimilated jew.
    Therefore the words in the declaration stating something that the declaration did not alter rights of jews anywhere.

    Churchill had a mother of at least jewish descent, his scientific adviser, Lindemann, later Lord Cherwell, had a jewish mother.

    Off topic, the Roosevelts descended from Portuguese jews.

    After the BBC criticised Tony B-liar's 45 minutes Saddam WMD's, the chairman of the BBC was replaced by a jew.

    Brexit came as a shock to the British establishment, used to the district sytem, all of a sudden every vote counted.

    What we see in GB now is the same as in the USA, sabotaging a democratic election, with considerable success, I must say.
    With more and more atheistic jews it is quite difficult to judge jewish influence now.
    , @Miro23

    Similarly a small country in the Middle East (Israel) now owns an Empire (the United States). Jews runs the world’s Central Bank (Federal Reserve), denominate world trade in its currency (US Dollar) and enforce the whole thing using Imperial troops and constant war.


    Or maybe the Jews ran the British Empire as well…?
     

     
    Do you have some serious evidence for Jews running the British Empire? The British (inc. many Scotsmen) ran it from London, and outposts around the world, for the benefit of the British, emphasizing the racial superiority of Englishmen (not Jews) over the natives.

    On the other hand, there's plenty of evidence of Jewish influence over Congress, US foreign policy, US media and the Federal Reserve.

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  193. FB says:
    @Anonymous
    The US could have easily kept the ME obedient in serving the petrodollar just by existing as a military and economic superpower. Saddam was begging to be left alone. So did Gaddafi, the Afgan rulers and virtually everyone else in the area. None of it helped. The plan was always to trash their countries - by using the US goyim blood and treasure - and to keep them trashed and weak. This was outlined in the (((PNAC))) documents way before 9/11.

    The (((tail))) is wagging the dog.

    The US could have easily kept the ME obedient in serving the petrodollar just by existing as a military and economic superpower. Saddam was begging to be left alone. So did Gaddafi, the Afgan rulers and virtually everyone else in the area.

    Not so fast…

    Saddam was about to dump the dollar and sell Iraqi oil in Euro…

    Gaddafi was a gadfly who was working on a Gold Dinar for all of Africa…

    Your facts are not quite facts…

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    Both did it because they were targets and they were both ready to backtrack or even resign (Gaddafi) when the threat became real. You're desperately trying to rewrite history, FB. Anyone who followed those events knows that the wars were forced on them despite their pleas. The Tribe had other plans for their countries.

    Saddam's desperate offers to stave off war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/07/iraq.brianwhitaker

    Gaddafi offers resignation for security guarantees
    http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/world/news/63399/Gaddafi_offers_resignation_for_security_guarantees
    , @jilles dykstra
    Saddam was not about, he had decided to sell Iraqi oil for euro's.
    Some assert that he then signed his death warrant.
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  194. FB says:
    @geokat62

    I’m not saying this is the answer…I could be wrong…but let’s not jump to conclusions…let’s discuss with reason and logic…
     
    Applause, applause. That was quite the performance, FB. Yes, let us discuss your points with reason and logic.

    But I don’t see that Israel is the tail wagging the dog…that just seems to pat and easy...
     
    As you no doubt are aware, the argument that the dog wags the tail is an old one whose most popular proponent is Noam Chomsky. While this argument may have had some semblance of truth during the Cold War days, it has since been superseded by the tail wags the dog argument put forth by Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt in The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy. You should give it a read, as it makes a convincing case that instead of being an asset, Israel now represents a liability to the US.

    Chaos and the ‘threat’ of even greater chaos provides a convenient raison d’etre for the entire US posture as world policeman…
     
    Ah, yes "Chaos." Rather than it being the desire of the world policeman, "chaos" is exactly what the two blueprints for remaking the ME called for. I, of course, am referring to Oded Yinon's A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s and PNAC's A Clean Break: A Strategy for Securing the Realm. You should give these two documents a read, FB, as it may enhance our discussion "with logic and reason."

    When it comes to the Jew ‘bogeyman’ there is no ‘there’ there…
     
    Oh, it's there alright. You just have to don the proper spectacles that will enable you to see pink elephants and 800 lb gorillas.

    It is useless to think this way because it deflects attention from the real criminals…the really powerful ones [whatever religion or ethnicity they may be] who only work together with the Jews because the Jews are damn useful to their project of global hegemony…
     
    Oh, I see. We are wasting our time focusing on the powerful ones, while the really, really, really powerful ones get away with murder? Do I understand you properly?

    For the record, FB, I readily admit that I'm just a dumb goyim. And the way I see it is this. The Lobby is comprised of two wings: one devoted to domestic policy, the other to foreign policy. The domestic policy wing has concentrated on pushing for mass immigration so that diaspora Jews could feel less threatened in a more heterogeneous society. They were at it for about 100 years before they were able to achieve their goal of passing a non-restrictionist immigration act, in 1965.

    The foreign policy wing, on the other hand, was focused on enhancing the security of the citizens of the Jewish state. To do this, the neocons were tasked with pushing for the phony GWOT to regime change 7 Muslim countries in 5 years that were hostile to the Jewish state. Although it took a little longer, 6 of the 7 countries have been destroyed (although the regime in Syria is still hanging in there) and the 7th one is currently in their cross hairs.

    These two objectives of The Lobby are what we dumb goyim are currently focused on. Once these two issues get addressed, we'll then turn our attention to the really, really, really powerful ones, I promise.

    Oh and btw…you said this…

    The domestic policy wing [of the Israel lobby] has concentrated on pushing for mass immigration so that diaspora Jews could feel less threatened in a more heterogeneous society. They were at it for about 100 years before they were able to achieve their goal of passing a non-restrictionist immigration act, in 1965.

    And I had said previously in this thread the real reason why mass immigration is needed…

    Ever hear of Exponential Growth…?

    That’s the way our economy is set up…it has to do with exponential math…just like compound interest…and Ponzi schemes…

    No difference…these three are mathematical constructs that are fundamentally identical…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth#Examples

    The only way to sustain exponential growth in an economy is to import more people…simple math…

    I would say the idea of preventing the US economy of going pfft like a flat tire is reason enough to import more wage slaves…but that’s just my opinion…

    A ‘heterogenous’ state where Jews feel more safe seems a little bit more out on a limb…don’t you think…?

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    And I had said previously in this thread the real reason why mass immigration is needed…

    Ever hear of Exponential Growth…?
     

    Oh, exponential growth? That's it... that's the ticket.

    I have just finished posting my response to a previous comment of yours. In it, I referenced a review of Prof. MacDonald's Culture of Critique. Your reference to "exponential growth," and others like it, is addressed by Prof. MacDonald in this paragraph:


    Throughout his analysis Prof. MacDonald reiterates his view that Jews have promoted these movements as Jews and in the interests of Jews, though they have often tried to give the impression that they had no distinctive interests of their own. Therefore Prof. MacDonald’s most profound charge against Jews is not ethnocentrism but dishonesty – that while claiming to be working for the good of mankind they have often worked for their own good and to the detriment of others. While attempting to promote the brotherhood of man by dissolving the ethnic identification of gentiles, Jews have maintained precisely the kind of intense group solidarity they decry as immoral in others.
     
    I do hope your reference to exponential growth was sincere and not meant to deceive The Dumb Goyim.
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  195. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    The US could have easily kept the ME obedient in serving the petrodollar just by existing as a military and economic superpower. Saddam was begging to be left alone. So did Gaddafi, the Afgan rulers and virtually everyone else in the area.
     
    Not so fast...

    Saddam was about to dump the dollar and sell Iraqi oil in Euro...

    Gaddafi was a gadfly who was working on a Gold Dinar for all of Africa...

    Your facts are not quite facts...

    Both did it because they were targets and they were both ready to backtrack or even resign (Gaddafi) when the threat became real. You’re desperately trying to rewrite history, FB. Anyone who followed those events knows that the wars were forced on them despite their pleas. The Tribe had other plans for their countries.

    Saddam’s desperate offers to stave off war

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/07/iraq.brianwhitaker

    Gaddafi offers resignation for security guarantees

    http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/world/news/63399/Gaddafi_offers_resignation_for_security_guarantees

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    They were targets because they were ditching the dollar for oil trade...WMD had nothing to do with it...

    Again...your own buddies provide the refutation to your story...

    http://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=jilles+dykstra

    You guys really should get your stories straight...a lot of cracks and fissures among your own various arguments...

    '...The idea, according to Gaddafi, was that African and Muslim nations would join together to create this new currency and would use it to purchase oil and other resources in exclusion of the dollar and other currencies...'
     
    http://www.thedailybell.com/editorials/anthony-wile-gaddafi-planned-gold-dinar-now-under-attack/
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  196. geokat62 says:

    throw something up and let’s see what you got…

    Ok. Here goes. Are you familiar with the work of Prof. Kevin MacDonald? He produced the fascinating series, Culture of Critique. For me, this provides the best explanation of who are the really, really, really powerful ones and why.

    As a sampler, I recommend reading this short review by Stanley Hornbeck.

    To foster our discussion with reason and logic, I have provided an excerpt of his concluding paragraph:

    Aside from the question of whether Prof. MacDonald is right is the further question of what difference it makes if he is right. If correct, his thesis certainly sheds light on the rapidity with which whites lost their will. Just a few decades ago whites were a confident race, proud of their achievements, convinced of their fitness to dominate the globe. Today they are a declining, apologetic people, ashamed of their history and not sure even of their claim to lands they have occupied for centuries. It is very rare for fundamental concepts to be stood on their heads in the course of just a generation or two, as has happened with thinking about race. Such speed suggests there has been something more than natural change.

    http://heretical.com/miscellx/culturec.html

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    Such speed suggests there has been something more than natural change.
     
    Exactly. And it's beyond obvious where the poison is coming from. As a matter of fact, Jewish-controlled MSM, academia, movies, books, politics can't shut up about bringing down the white race.

    http://www.azquotes.com/author/33287-Noel_Ignatiev

    http://redicecreations.com/ul_img/31554noelignatiev-racist.jpg

    If you are a white male, you don’t deserve to live. You are a cancer, you’re a disease, white males have never contributed anything positive to the world! They only murder, exploit and oppress non-whites! At least a white woman can have sex with a black man and make a brown baby but what can a white male do? He’s good for nothing. Slavery, genocides against aboriginal peoples and massive land confiscation, the inquisition, the holocaust, white males are all to blame! You maintain your white male privilege only by oppressing, discriminating against and enslaving others!
     

    ...The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists......Keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females, too, until the social construct known as the white race is destroyed. Not deconstructed, but destroyed.
     

    The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race. Until that task is accomplished, even partial reform will prove elusive, because white influence permeates every issue in U.S. society, whether domestic or foreign.
     

    If you are a white male, you don't deserve to live. You are a cancer, you're a disease, white males have never contributed anything positive to the world!
     

    Whiteness is not a culture . . . Whiteness has nothing to do with culture and everything to do with social position . . . . Without the privileges attached to it, the white race would not exist, and the white skin would have no more social significance than big feet
     

    Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity?
     

    The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race.
     
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  197. geokat62 says:
    @FB
    Oh and btw...you said this...

    The domestic policy wing [of the Israel lobby] has concentrated on pushing for mass immigration so that diaspora Jews could feel less threatened in a more heterogeneous society. They were at it for about 100 years before they were able to achieve their goal of passing a non-restrictionist immigration act, in 1965.
     
    And I had said previously in this thread the real reason why mass immigration is needed...

    Ever hear of Exponential Growth...?

    That's the way our economy is set up...it has to do with exponential math...just like compound interest...and Ponzi schemes...

    No difference...these three are mathematical constructs that are fundamentally identical...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth#Examples

    The only way to sustain exponential growth in an economy is to import more people...simple math...

    I would say the idea of preventing the US economy of going pfft like a flat tire is reason enough to import more wage slaves...but that's just my opinion...

    A 'heterogenous' state where Jews feel more safe seems a little bit more out on a limb...don't you think...?

    And I had said previously in this thread the real reason why mass immigration is needed…

    Ever hear of Exponential Growth…?

    Oh, exponential growth? That’s it… that’s the ticket.

    I have just finished posting my response to a previous comment of yours. In it, I referenced a review of Prof. MacDonald’s Culture of Critique. Your reference to “exponential growth,” and others like it, is addressed by Prof. MacDonald in this paragraph:

    Throughout his analysis Prof. MacDonald reiterates his view that Jews have promoted these movements as Jews and in the interests of Jews, though they have often tried to give the impression that they had no distinctive interests of their own. Therefore Prof. MacDonald’s most profound charge against Jews is not ethnocentrism but dishonesty – that while claiming to be working for the good of mankind they have often worked for their own good and to the detriment of others. While attempting to promote the brotherhood of man by dissolving the ethnic identification of gentiles, Jews have maintained precisely the kind of intense group solidarity they decry as immoral in others.

    I do hope your reference to exponential growth was sincere and not meant to deceive The Dumb Goyim.

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    '...Oh, exponential growth? That’s it… that’s the ticket...'
     
    Well...now you are reverting to your blockhead ways...

    If you bother to familiarize yourself with the subject of perpetual economic growth...you find that it is impossible in the long run...

    But what happens if there is zero growth for even 6 months [two quarters]...boom it's a recession...

    Perpetual growth is not sustainable...and that's a big issue...whether you choose to breezily ignore it or not...

    Look up sustainability of perpetual economic growth...you will find not one idiot who argues that this is possible...yet this is how our system is designed...

    The US economy has...for a long time now...been able to sustain perpetual growth only due to massive influx of immigration...and that is only going to increase going forward...

    No need to look under the bed for jew bogeyman concerned about his 'safety'...

    PS: there is no such thing as perpetual growth in the natural world...in physics this concept is akin to a perpetual motion machine [ie a machine that generates more energy than it consumes]...which is also impossible due to the laws of thermnodynamics...
    , @FB
    You must be hallucinating...

    There is no mention of exponential economic growth in that McDonald paragraph you cited...

    In any case...McDonald is a psychologist...psychology being a 'soft science'...in fact not a 'science' at all but mere quackery...

    These guys can conjure up any juju they want and there is no mathematical way to prove or disprove any of it...which of course is the acid test of Real Science...

    That is not to say that some insights on human societies and systems cannot be gleaned from studying systematically...but in the end it requires some quantitative analysis...as economics [another soft science] must ultimately resort to mathematics to prove its point...

    Michael Hudson is a great example of this...if you read his stuff you know that economies going back to ancient Mesopotamia failed due to unsustainable perpetual growth...

    The cause of the perpetual growth in these ancient as well as modern economies is the idea of interest on borrowing...

    The interest levied is an arbitrarily set percentage...which means that the economy must grow by that percentage amount the following year simply to pay the interest that has accrued...

    At some point the economy can no longer keep up...it cannot continue to grow at that rate which the artificial interest rate demands...

    We see proof of this today in that interest rates have been zero for the last decade...[ZIRP]...

    You cannot get around mathematics...it cannot be finessed like psychology and other quackery...

    In the ancient economies...the solution was eventually arrived at where a periodic debt forgiveness was brought in...the Mesopotamians brought this in and it ended their catastrophic economic meltdowns...the Hebrews had this debt-forgiveness 'Jubilee' as part of their law every 50 years...
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  198. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    throw something up and let’s see what you got…
     
    Ok. Here goes. Are you familiar with the work of Prof. Kevin MacDonald? He produced the fascinating series, Culture of Critique. For me, this provides the best explanation of who are the really, really, really powerful ones and why.

    As a sampler, I recommend reading this short review by Stanley Hornbeck.

    To foster our discussion with reason and logic, I have provided an excerpt of his concluding paragraph:

    Aside from the question of whether Prof. MacDonald is right is the further question of what difference it makes if he is right. If correct, his thesis certainly sheds light on the rapidity with which whites lost their will. Just a few decades ago whites were a confident race, proud of their achievements, convinced of their fitness to dominate the globe. Today they are a declining, apologetic people, ashamed of their history and not sure even of their claim to lands they have occupied for centuries. It is very rare for fundamental concepts to be stood on their heads in the course of just a generation or two, as has happened with thinking about race. Such speed suggests there has been something more than natural change.

    http://heretical.com/miscellx/culturec.html
     

    Such speed suggests there has been something more than natural change.

    Exactly. And it’s beyond obvious where the poison is coming from. As a matter of fact, Jewish-controlled MSM, academia, movies, books, politics can’t shut up about bringing down the white race.

    http://www.azquotes.com/author/33287-Noel_Ignatiev

    If you are a white male, you don’t deserve to live. You are a cancer, you’re a disease, white males have never contributed anything positive to the world! They only murder, exploit and oppress non-whites! At least a white woman can have sex with a black man and make a brown baby but what can a white male do? He’s good for nothing. Slavery, genocides against aboriginal peoples and massive land confiscation, the inquisition, the holocaust, white males are all to blame! You maintain your white male privilege only by oppressing, discriminating against and enslaving others!

    …The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists……Keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females, too, until the social construct known as the white race is destroyed. Not deconstructed, but destroyed.

    The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race. Until that task is accomplished, even partial reform will prove elusive, because white influence permeates every issue in U.S. society, whether domestic or foreign.

    If you are a white male, you don’t deserve to live. You are a cancer, you’re a disease, white males have never contributed anything positive to the world!

    Whiteness is not a culture . . . Whiteness has nothing to do with culture and everything to do with social position . . . . Without the privileges attached to it, the white race would not exist, and the white skin would have no more social significance than big feet

    Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity?

    The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race.

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  199. Vidi says:
    @Anonymous

    American people are unconvinced, to put it mildly, by the mainstream propaganda; this percentage can only increase, as their lies become more desperate and blatant.

     

    Very true. The goyim know.

    Less Than 1 In 3 Trust Mainstream Media, Martin Armstrong Warns "Their End Is Near"
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-01/less-1-3-trust-mainstream-media-martin-armstrong-warns-their-end-near

    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/12/01/20161201_gallup.jpg

    Less Than 1 In 3 Trust Mainstream Media, Martin Armstrong Warns “Their End Is Near”

    Good article, thanks for the link.

    I was pretty sure that at least half of the electorate distrusted the mainstream media, and I am not surprised that the fraction of doubters is now two thirds. The recent CNN fiasco — where they were caught lying — should trash the mainstream media’s credibility even more, and shows how desperate they really are.

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  200. @ChuckOrloski
    Hey SolontoCroesus,

    As you write about citizens getting consistent "kicks-in-tail," below is an Atlantic Monthly memory from bygone days of post-liberation Iraq, and how privately-owned Blackwater USA got hired (by our ever job-creating leadership) to "kick ass" against "non-combatants."

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/blackwater-and-the-time-warp-of-the-iraq-war/390480/

    Selah martyrs in belly of the green bird and wherefore The Maven.

    Thank you, ChuchOrloski, for sharing the fruits of your knack for finding the right example at the right time, especially from the WayBack machine.

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  201. @FB

    Similarly a small country in the Middle East (Israel) now owns an Empire (the United States). Jews runs the world’s Central Bank (Federal Reserve), denominate world trade in its currency (US Dollar) and enforce the whole thing using Imperial troops and constant war.
     
    Or maybe the Jews ran the British Empire as well...?

    That's what your buddies want you to believe...maybe you didn't get the memo...?

    In the second half of the 19th century a jew was prime minister.
    E. T. Raymond (Edward Raymond Thompson), ‘Disraeli: The Alien Patriot’, 1925, London

    The British Secretary for India at the time of the Balfour declaration was a jew, he opposed zionism, he considered himself an assimilated jew.
    Therefore the words in the declaration stating something that the declaration did not alter rights of jews anywhere.

    Churchill had a mother of at least jewish descent, his scientific adviser, Lindemann, later Lord Cherwell, had a jewish mother.

    Off topic, the Roosevelts descended from Portuguese jews.

    After the BBC criticised Tony B-liar’s 45 minutes Saddam WMD’s, the chairman of the BBC was replaced by a jew.

    Brexit came as a shock to the British establishment, used to the district sytem, all of a sudden every vote counted.

    What we see in GB now is the same as in the USA, sabotaging a democratic election, with considerable success, I must say.
    With more and more atheistic jews it is quite difficult to judge jewish influence now.

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  202. @FB

    The US could have easily kept the ME obedient in serving the petrodollar just by existing as a military and economic superpower. Saddam was begging to be left alone. So did Gaddafi, the Afgan rulers and virtually everyone else in the area.
     
    Not so fast...

    Saddam was about to dump the dollar and sell Iraqi oil in Euro...

    Gaddafi was a gadfly who was working on a Gold Dinar for all of Africa...

    Your facts are not quite facts...

    Saddam was not about, he had decided to sell Iraqi oil for euro’s.
    Some assert that he then signed his death warrant.

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  203. @FB
    I have no idea one way or the other who funds what religion...except that they sponge as much as possible from ordinary folks...many of whom are barely scraping by to begin with...

    I have to say that all this anti-Jewish talk here is IMO off the mark...

    That is not to deny the crimes of Israel...and the Israel lobby is definitely a huge problem...

    But I don't see that Israel is the tail wagging the dog...that just seems to pat and easy...

    Someone earlier on this thread linked to a recent Crosstalk episode on RT about Dump's Jerusalem recognition...on which Mr. Giraldi was a guest...

    There was also another guest who was quite reasonable...and a third who was totally pro-Israel to the point of caricature...

    At one point host Peter Lavelle asked this guy...'what does the US get out of this relationship with Israel...?'

    And of course this guy started spouting nonsense about trade and just ridiculous off the wall stuff...

    But here is the point...what does the US get out of Israel...?

    What if the US is getting a whole lot out of Israel...?

    If we assume and rightly so...that the US has been a global empire from the end of WW2...then having an Israel as a basically unassailable military fortress in the Middle East...is in fact crucial to the continued existence of this empire...

    The US as I had already mentioned has been living high off the petrodollar...which is a basically a tax on all the people of the world...the US gets to print free money by the trillions each year because of this arrangement...

    This is what empires do...there is no question that the Emperors in Washington...who are really the financial and corporate plutocracy...not the 'elected' officials...

    ...they want the Empire...they need the Empire...

    Israel is crucial to that...and not just militarily but as an entire ideology about the 'only democracy' in the ME...etc..etc...

    Not just that...but Israel is a point of conflict...a very convenient powder keg that could go off at any time and cause chaos...

    Aha...that word chaos...it's what this empire thrives on isn't it...?

    There's no rhyme or reason behind the chaos caused by the US in the ME and central Asia in recent years...

    Or is there...?

    Chaos and the 'threat' of even greater chaos provides a convenient raison d'etre for the entire US posture as world policeman...

    It's like the crooked cop in a town with no crime who needs a collaborator to manufacture some...otherwise he's out of a job...

    As one poster insightfully mentioned here...the Puritans had no problem working with the Jews...even while they were slaughtering the Irish 500 years ago...which was good prep school for slaughtering Native Americans as soon as they got here...

    When it comes to the Jew 'bogeyman' there is no 'there' there...

    It is useless to think this way because it deflects attention from the real criminals...the really powerful ones [whatever religion or ethnicity they may be] who only work together with the Jews because the Jews are damn useful to their project of global hegemony...

    Paul Craig Roberts has long been calling out the US public as apathetic and 'insouciant'...this is the truth...

    Don't blame anyone but yourselves...take a good long look in the mirror...get the real facts instead of reaching for the easy answer...

    Did you ever stop to consider that giving the sheeple an easy answer is part of the plan...?

    Hitler gave the people an easy outlet for hate...whatever did or did not happen with the Jewish genocide...Hitler most certainly ruined his nation...and inflicted unimaginable horrors on the Russians too...and others...

    Yet there is a certain element that wants to idolize this foolish man...and adopt the easy answer that the Jews are all powerful and control everything and have for a long time...

    Occam's razor tells us that the straight line is the most logical one...

    I had posted this question here before...why if the Jews were so all powerful that they could literally pull the strings of starting the two world wars...

    ...why then would they even need to avail themselves of such a dangerous and risky enterprise as war...?

    it makes no sense...if they had all the power already...they could simply engineer society the way they wanted...

    The truth is that Jews are most certainly over-involved in what has become an evil global empire...that is probably because they have the skills that are needed for this kind of criminal enterprise...

    but it doesn't mean that they are the head honcho...or that they call the shots...logic says otherwise...

    one hundred years ago Eugene Debs pleaded with working people to stop the racial divide between white and black workers that the ruling elite had created as a diversion...

    He told them very simply...they don't care about black, white, yellow or red...their only color is green...

    Racial discord was the easy answer offered up by the ruling elites 100 years ago...Hitler offered the easy answer of the Jews...and people have been falling for it...

    This whole Jew thing looks suspiciously like more divide and conquer bait from the ruling elite...

    We're all the same to them...they are different from us...even the Jews among them don't care about the ordinary Jew...

    I'm not saying this is the answer...I could be wrong...but let's not jump to conclusions...let's discuss with reason and logic...

    But let's figure out if this whole Jew thing is just more bait from the ruling elite...it would not be the first time...

    And what if is...?

    We must at least think about that...

    There are quite a few opinions in Germany that Merked did, and does, more harm to Germany, by welcoming large scale immigration, than Hitler did.
    Germans as a culture and a people survived WWII, despite that some ten million Germans died, nearly a quarter of the 44 million population of 1940.
    Merkel about mass immigration ‘wird Deutschland für immer ändern’.
    Translation ‘will change Germany forever’.
    I fear she’s right.
    If Merkel’s behaviour can be explained by the idea that Germans must be changed, as guilty for two world wars and the holocaust, it may be.
    When she explained her immigration policy she hinted ‘in the past it was different’.
    Demographic predictions for 2050 are frightening, the number of Muslims.
    Opinions exist that just the E European countries will remain European, those that completely refuse Muslim immigrants, the so called Visegrad countries, such as Poland, Hungary, Chechnia, Slovakia, Rumenia.

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    “Germans as a culture and a people survived WWII, despite that some ten million Germans died, nearly a quarter of the 44 million population of 1940.”
     
    German population 1939: 69,300,000;
    German population 1939 + Austria + Nationals in East and West Europe: 83,500,000;
    Total German Deaths [military + civilian]: 6,900,000-7,400,000 = 8.26-8.86%

    “44 million” isn’t 69-84 million. “Nearly a quarter” isn’t 9%. Not even close.

    Too much sauerkraut?

    Say hi to Seyss-Inquart. Hope his stiff neck clears up.
    , @FB

    If Merkel’s behaviour can be explained by the idea that Germans must be changed, as guilty for two world wars and the holocaust, it may be.
     
    That's a big if...

    A more simple and direct explanation lies in the sustainability of perpetual economic growth as I have been commenting here quite a bit...without any serious attempt at rebuttal...

    We note that Germany's industry was rebuilt after WW2 by massive infusion of Marshall Plan funds...But with its industries up and humming...Germany found itself short of workers...

    Starting in the 1950s already Germany was importing 'gastarbeiter' [guest workers] from the Balkans and Turkey...

    They were not able to receive German citizenship and were expected to leave after a certain period...

    Which they did...a lot of those original guest workers did in fact return to their countries of origin...having worked enough years to stash away a sufficient nest egg that would let them live nicely in their home economies where prices were much lower...

    This was especially the case with Yugoslavs [Serbs, Croats etc...]...but also Turks...

    But then a funny thing happened...as the German economy kept on booming...guest workers weren't enough...it became necessary to have real immigrants instead of just guests...in order to keep the industrial output going...

    You see the fat cats in industry...and later finance, as Western economies became increaingly financialized...wanted this money making machine to continue...

    Certainly the German ruling elite was more generous to the German people in terms of social benefits...like excellent universal health care...pensions etc...

    So it was not just the ruling elite that took all the benefits and left nothing but scraps for the people...as was the case in the US...

    But the point being...what would happen now if economic output stopped growing...?

    All of this would come to an end...the system is designed so that year over year growth is absolutely essential...this perpetual growth became especially important as finance capital became ascendant over industrial capital starting from the 1970s...

    So it became in everyobody's interest to keep immigration going because the German economy benefited from it...even the voting public realized this...

    Only now is a relatively small portion of the public starting to say no...but the majority are fearful of rocking the boat...and disrupting the real prosperity that they enjoy...

    In the US it's a different story...the ruling elite has been much stingier about sharing the benefit of economic prosperity...we have a handful of billionaires who own more wealth than 150 million Americans...

    There is no universal health care system for the people for the simple reason that the insurance companies would lose their cash cow overnight...and we recall that these private insurance companies are pure middlemen...

    They need not be in the loop at all...doctors provide services...a nationally run health plan pays the bill...simple as that...you cut out the middlemen and the profits their wealthy shareholders demand...and the country saves how many thousands of billions of dollars...?

    This is just one example of how the US people are getting stiffed...are the Jews or the Israel lobby forcing everyone to agree to this...?

    There are lots of non-Jews who wield a lot of power...why does McCain, Graham and all the rest of the senate go along with all this stuff...?

    There are only a handful of Jewish senators...

    It's the same story in the super wealthy plutocrats...even in the financial sector Jews are not the majority of the fat cats...yes they are over-represented by a gross margin...but they are not the majority...just look at the Forbes 400...

    How many are actually Jews...?

    the simple fact is that the American Oligarchy goes along with all of this agenda...including the wars in the ME...which are crucial to dollar hegemony...as well as bankrolling the massive military industrial complex...

    So it is obviously necessary to take apart this whole system and understand exactly how it works...

    The shortsightedness of simply saying 'the Jews have taken over' is that it misses a lot of the important details...

    It does nothing to advance our understanding of how the system actually works...

    And understanding how it works is the first step to trying to figure out how to stop it...

    We all agree that the system must be stopped...it is ruinous, unjust, and unfair...but the 'easy answer' is a dead end street...it leads nowhere...

    Why has Dump just brought in a huge tax cut for the wealthy...?

    Yet he is a man of the people...?

    Yet his son-in-law is an important shot caller and an Israeli-firster...

    There's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on here...
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  204. Miro23 says:
    @FB

    Similarly a small country in the Middle East (Israel) now owns an Empire (the United States). Jews runs the world’s Central Bank (Federal Reserve), denominate world trade in its currency (US Dollar) and enforce the whole thing using Imperial troops and constant war.
     
    Or maybe the Jews ran the British Empire as well...?

    That's what your buddies want you to believe...maybe you didn't get the memo...?

    Similarly a small country in the Middle East (Israel) now owns an Empire (the United States). Jews runs the world’s Central Bank (Federal Reserve), denominate world trade in its currency (US Dollar) and enforce the whole thing using Imperial troops and constant war.

    Or maybe the Jews ran the British Empire as well…?

    Do you have some serious evidence for Jews running the British Empire? The British (inc. many Scotsmen) ran it from London, and outposts around the world, for the benefit of the British, emphasizing the racial superiority of Englishmen (not Jews) over the natives.

    On the other hand, there’s plenty of evidence of Jewish influence over Congress, US foreign policy, US media and the Federal Reserve.

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    Do you have some serious evidence for Jews running the British Empire?
     
    It's not my theory...it's the theory of your buddies...

    see comment...

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/bad-moon-rising/#comment-2117859
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  205. @FB
    Well...at least you present a semblance of an argument...unlike your herd-mentality buddies here...

    The bone of contention seems to have boiled down to this...

    Is it the dog or the tail that's doing the wagging...?

    You cited Mearshimer and Walt...who...

    '...emphasize that the lobby is not a cabal or a conspiracy but simply a powerful interest group like the National Rifle Association or the farm lobby.

    Their core argument is that the policies that the lobby pushes are not in the United States' national interest, nor ultimately that of Israel...'
     
    I fully agree with that...in fact it is perfectly rational...

    A lot of things Mearshimer has said...especially about Russia and the Ukraine putch...are quite rational...he is a realist...

    But the question then comes back to square one...who is choosing to let the Israel lobby have their way...?

    Why don't you tell me...?

    I said my piece...the powers that be want an empire and Israel is the perfect tool / foil / accomplice for this project...

    Does that mean they run the show...?

    Like I said I doubt it...and you have not made a solid argument that they do...

    I'm keeping an open mind...if you can argue convincingly that the Israel lobby has taken over and is calling the shots...then let's see it...

    I happen to think that Imperialists are the problem...and without those imperialists' consent the Israel lobby could not operate in this way...?

    Is someone holding a gun to someone's head...?

    You can hide behind farce [and I did get a good self-deprecating laugh out of your mocking my 'really really powerful individuals' shtick]...

    ...but it doesn't prove that Jews and the Israel lobby have taken full control...somebody can still say no...but do they want to...?

    throw something up and let's see what you got...

    FB: “Throw something up and let’s see what you got.”

    (Zigh)

    Wish Brother Nathanael was here at the U.R. and he would plain spokenly reveal what evidence “he got” to share on pervasive & unchallenged Zionist Jew power in the US.

    Meanwhile, below is The Orthodox Bro who’s in the Know.

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  206. Incitatus says:
    @jilles dykstra
    There are quite a few opinions in Germany that Merked did, and does, more harm to Germany, by welcoming large scale immigration, than Hitler did.
    Germans as a culture and a people survived WWII, despite that some ten million Germans died, nearly a quarter of the 44 million population of 1940.
    Merkel about mass immigration 'wird Deutschland für immer ändern'.
    Translation 'will change Germany forever'.
    I fear she's right.
    If Merkel's behaviour can be explained by the idea that Germans must be changed, as guilty for two world wars and the holocaust, it may be.
    When she explained her immigration policy she hinted 'in the past it was different'.
    Demographic predictions for 2050 are frightening, the number of Muslims.
    Opinions exist that just the E European countries will remain European, those that completely refuse Muslim immigrants, the so called Visegrad countries, such as Poland, Hungary, Chechnia, Slovakia, Rumenia.

    “Germans as a culture and a people survived WWII, despite that some ten million Germans died, nearly a quarter of the 44 million population of 1940.”

    German population 1939: 69,300,000;
    German population 1939 + Austria + Nationals in East and West Europe: 83,500,000;
    Total German Deaths [military + civilian]: 6,900,000-7,400,000 = 8.26-8.86%

    “44 million” isn’t 69-84 million. “Nearly a quarter” isn’t 9%. Not even close.

    Too much sauerkraut?

    Say hi to Seyss-Inquart. Hope his stiff neck clears up.

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  207. Sloopyjoe says:
    @renfro
    Sign me up.

    Thanks Renfro. Just waiting on the OK from Mr. Unz and Mr. Giraldi.

    Any other takers for this worthy cause?

    _______

    On topic

    Whose name is on the top of this list that relates to this article? Almost $1 million to buy a CIA head.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48403.htm

    https://lobelog.com/exclusive-emergency-committee-for-israel-spends-big-on-rep-tom-cotton/

    How much do top Jewish Non-Profit leaders make?

    https://forward.com/news/388240/how-much-do-top-jewish-non-profit-leaders-make/

    Gotta love those recycled USSA theft $s finding their way back to the domestic shores.

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  208. FB says:
    @geokat62

    And I had said previously in this thread the real reason why mass immigration is needed…

    Ever hear of Exponential Growth…?
     

    Oh, exponential growth? That's it... that's the ticket.

    I have just finished posting my response to a previous comment of yours. In it, I referenced a review of Prof. MacDonald's Culture of Critique. Your reference to "exponential growth," and others like it, is addressed by Prof. MacDonald in this paragraph:


    Throughout his analysis Prof. MacDonald reiterates his view that Jews have promoted these movements as Jews and in the interests of Jews, though they have often tried to give the impression that they had no distinctive interests of their own. Therefore Prof. MacDonald’s most profound charge against Jews is not ethnocentrism but dishonesty – that while claiming to be working for the good of mankind they have often worked for their own good and to the detriment of others. While attempting to promote the brotherhood of man by dissolving the ethnic identification of gentiles, Jews have maintained precisely the kind of intense group solidarity they decry as immoral in others.
     
    I do hope your reference to exponential growth was sincere and not meant to deceive The Dumb Goyim.

    ‘…Oh, exponential growth? That’s it… that’s the ticket…’

    Well…now you are reverting to your blockhead ways…

    If you bother to familiarize yourself with the subject of perpetual economic growth…you find that it is impossible in the long run…

    But what happens if there is zero growth for even 6 months [two quarters]…boom it’s a recession…

    Perpetual growth is not sustainable…and that’s a big issue…whether you choose to breezily ignore it or not…

    Look up sustainability of perpetual economic growth…you will find not one idiot who argues that this is possible…yet this is how our system is designed…

    The US economy has…for a long time now…been able to sustain perpetual growth only due to massive influx of immigration…and that is only going to increase going forward…

    No need to look under the bed for jew bogeyman concerned about his ‘safety’…

    PS: there is no such thing as perpetual growth in the natural world…in physics this concept is akin to a perpetual motion machine [ie a machine that generates more energy than it consumes]…which is also impossible due to the laws of thermnodynamics…

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  209. FB says:
    @Miro23

    Similarly a small country in the Middle East (Israel) now owns an Empire (the United States). Jews runs the world’s Central Bank (Federal Reserve), denominate world trade in its currency (US Dollar) and enforce the whole thing using Imperial troops and constant war.


    Or maybe the Jews ran the British Empire as well…?
     

     
    Do you have some serious evidence for Jews running the British Empire? The British (inc. many Scotsmen) ran it from London, and outposts around the world, for the benefit of the British, emphasizing the racial superiority of Englishmen (not Jews) over the natives.

    On the other hand, there's plenty of evidence of Jewish influence over Congress, US foreign policy, US media and the Federal Reserve.

    Do you have some serious evidence for Jews running the British Empire?

    It’s not my theory…it’s the theory of your buddies…

    see comment…

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/bad-moon-rising/#comment-2117859

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  210. FB says:
    @Anonymous
    Both did it because they were targets and they were both ready to backtrack or even resign (Gaddafi) when the threat became real. You're desperately trying to rewrite history, FB. Anyone who followed those events knows that the wars were forced on them despite their pleas. The Tribe had other plans for their countries.

    Saddam's desperate offers to stave off war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/07/iraq.brianwhitaker

    Gaddafi offers resignation for security guarantees
    http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/world/news/63399/Gaddafi_offers_resignation_for_security_guarantees

    They were targets because they were ditching the dollar for oil trade…WMD had nothing to do with it…

    Again…your own buddies provide the refutation to your story…

    http://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=jilles+dykstra

    You guys really should get your stories straight…a lot of cracks and fissures among your own various arguments…

    ‘…The idea, according to Gaddafi, was that African and Muslim nations would join together to create this new currency and would use it to purchase oil and other resources in exclusion of the dollar and other currencies…’

    http://www.thedailybell.com/editorials/anthony-wile-gaddafi-planned-gold-dinar-now-under-attack/

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    FB: "WMD had nothing to do with it…"

    Hey FB,

    Does "it" above correspond to April 2003 and Iraqi liberation?

    If so, it was treasonous for the POT(Z)US W. Bush administration to have sold such case to dumb goyim citizens.

    (Zigh)

    Since you are "Mr. Know-it-All" similar to a Rocky & Bullwinkle cartoon-character, I will ask you two questions.

    1. Does Iran's (possibly) having nuclear WMDs have any bearing upon Netanyahu and Trump's pr