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President Donald Trump is not exactly known for his self-restraint. The recent firing of Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Director James Comey was not handled with any delicacy and has unleashed a firestorm of criticism coming from across the political spectrum. And since Comey’s abrupt dismissal the backstabbing has become even worse, with many coming around to the view that Trump is actually crudely threatening Comey over the issue of what might or might not have been said at dinners and meetings between the two men.

What exactly drove the firing at this time remains somewhat of a mystery though the media has been quick to link it directly to Trump’s reported anger at the seemingly endless investigation into his Administration’s possible ties to Russia, an investigation that nominally Comey headed as FBI Director. But that explanation somehow makes no sense as even a white-hot Trump would have realized that getting rid of Comey would only make the Russiagate problem worse as everyone would assume cover-up and would come after the White House with even greater intensity, which is precisely what has happened. Was Trump dumb enough to dig himself into a deeper hole? Possibly, but it seems unlikely.

What is real, however, is that constant innuendo means that anti-Russian hysteria has been mounting, including completely speculative pieces wondering whether the entourage of Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov had sought to sneak a recording device into the White House during last week’s visit.

And what if there really is a conspiracy against Donald Trump being orchestrated within the various national security agencies that are part of the United States government? The president has been complaining for months about damaging leaks emanating from the intelligence community and the failure of Congress to pay any attention to the illegal dissemination of classified information. It is quite possible that Trump has become aware that there is actually something going on and that something just might be a conspiracy to delegitimize and somehow remove him from office.

President Trump has also been insisting that the “Russian thing” is a made-up story, a view that I happen to agree with. I recently produced my own analysis of the possibility that there is in progress a soft, or stealth or silent coup, call it what you will, underway directed against the president and that, if it exists, it is being directed by former senior officials from the Obama White House. Indeed, it is quite plausible to suggest that it was orchestrated within the Obama White House itself before the government changed hands at the inauguration on January 20th. In line with that thinking, some observers are now suggesting that Comey might well have been party to the conspiracy and his dismissal would have been perfectly justified based on his demonstrated interference in both the electoral process and in his broadening of the acceptable role of his own Bureau, which Trump has described as “showboating.”

Two well-informed observers of the situation have recently joined in the discussion, Robert Parry of Consortiumnews and former CIA senior analyst Ray McGovern of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. McGovern has noted, as have I, that there is one individual who has been curiously absent from the list of former officials who have been called in to testify before the Senate Intelligence Committee. That is ex-CIA Director John Brennan, who many have long considered an extreme Obama/Hillary Clinton loyalist long rumored to be at the center of the information damaging to Team Trump sent to Washington by friendly intelligence services, including the British.

Ray suggests that Brennan and also Comey may been at the center of a “Deep State” combined CIA-NSA-FBI cabal working to discredit the Trump candidacy and delegitimize his presidency. Brennan in particular was uniquely well placed to fabricate the Russian hacker narrative that has been fully embraced by Congress and the media even though no actual evidence supporting that claim has yet been produced. As WikiLeaks has now revealed that the CIA had the technical ability to hack into sites surreptitiously while leaving behind footprints that would attribute the hack to someone else, including the Russians, it does not take much imagination to consider that the alleged trail to Moscow might have been fabricated. If that is so, this false intelligence has in turn proven to be of immense value to those seeking to present “proof” that the Russian government handed the presidency to Donald Trump.

Robert Parry asked in an article on May 10th whether we are seeing is “Watergate redux or ‘Deep State’ coup?” and then followed up with a second Piece “The ‘Soft Coup’ of Russia-gate” on the 13th. In other words, is this all a cover-up of wrongdoing by the White House akin to President Richard Nixon’s firing of Watergate independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox and the resignations of both the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General or is it something quite different, an undermining of an elected president who has not actually committed any “high crimes and misdemeanors” to force his removal from office. Like Parry, I am reluctant to embrace conspiracy theories, in my case largely because I believe a conspiracy is awfully hard to sustain. The federal government leaks like a sieve and if more than two conspirators ever meet in the CIA basement it would seem to me their discussion would become public knowledge within forty-eight hours, but perhaps what we are seeing here is less a formal arrangement than a group of individuals who are loosely connected while driven by a common objective.

Parry sees the three key players in the scheme as John Brennan of CIA, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and James Comey of the FBI. Comey’s role in the “coup” was key as it consisted of using his office to undercut both Hillary Clinton and Trump, neither of whom was seen as a truly suitable candidate by the Deep State. He speculates that a broken election might well have resulted in a vote in the House of Representatives to elect the new president, a process that might have produced a Colin Powell presidency as Powell actually received three votes in the Electoral College and therefore was an acceptable candidate under the rules governing the electoral process.

Yes, the scheme is bizarre, but Parry carefully documents how Russiagate has developed and how the national security and intelligence organs have been key players as it moved along, often working by leaking classified information. And President Barack Obama was likely the initiator, notably so when he de facto authorized the wide distribution of raw intelligence on Trump and the Russians through executive order. Parry notes, as would I, that to date no actual evidence has been presented to support allegations that Russia sought to influence the U.S. election and/or that Trump associates were somehow coopted by Moscow’s intelligence services as part of the process. Nevertheless, anyone even vaguely connected with Trump who also had contact with Russia or Russians has been regarded as a potential traitor. Carter Page, for example, who was investigated under a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant, was under suspicion because he made a speech in Moscow which was mildly critical of the west’s interaction with Russia after the fall of communism.

Parry’s point is that there is a growing Washington consensus that consists of traditional liberals and progressives as well as Democratic globalist interventionists and neoconservatives who believe that Donald Trump must be removed from office no matter what it takes. The interventionists and neocons in particular already control most of the foreign policy mechanisms but they continue to see Trump as a possible impediment to their plans for aggressive action against a host of enemies, most particularly Russia. As they are desirous of bringing down Trump “legally” through either impeachment or Article 25 of the Constitution which permits removal for incapacity, it might be termed a constitutional coup, though the other labels cited above also fit.

The rationale Trump haters have fabricated is simple: the president and his team colluded with the Russians to rig the 2016 election in his favor, which, if true, would provide grounds for impeachment. The driving force, in terms of the argument being made, is that removing Trump must be done “for the good of the country” and to “correct a mistake made by the American voters.” The mainstream media is completely on board of the process, including the outlets that flatter themselves by describing their national stature, most notably the New York Times and Washington Post.

So what is to be done? For starters, until Donald Trump has unambiguously broken a law the critics should take a valium and relax. He is an elected president and his predecessors George W. Bush and Barack Obama certainly did plenty of things that in retrospect do not bear much scrutiny. Folks like Ray McGovern and Robert Parry should be listened to even when they are being provocative in their views. They are not, to be sure, friends of the White House in any conventional way and are not apologists for those in power, quite the contrary. Ray has been strongly critical of the current foreign policy, most particularly of the expansion of various wars, claims of Damascus’s use of chemical weapons, and the cruise missile attack on Syria. Robert in his latest article describes Trump as narcissistic and politically incompetent. But their legitimate concerns are that we are moving in a direction that is far more dangerous than Trump. A soft coup engineered by the national security and intelligence agencies would be far more dangerous to our democracy than anything Donald Trump can do.

 
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  1. Brennan is a particularly unsavory character.

    There has been some baying-at-the-moon speculation that he is a Moslem convert!

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  2. The coup, if successful, would probably mean the end of what would traditionally be considered to be a republican form of government in the US and its replacement by a deep state dictatorship. In light of what is being used, a phony claim of Russian interference with the US political system, the danger that nuclear war might be the outcome of this coup is real.

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    • Replies: @Colleen Pater
    This " theory " isnt a theory its not debatable and its clear both parties and every power node in the world are signalling they will do whatever they can to help. Its really a good thing they are not fooling anyone but some maroon prog snowflakes. Trump was the howard beale last option before civil war candidate, he won fair and square , actually despite massive cheating by the other side and now they are overthrowing him in full view of the american people.Its good as long as idiots on the right still believed in democracy, that getting their candidate in would change war was averted. after thirty years of steady leftism no matter who was in power they voted trump now trumps being overthrown. They will see we dont live in a democracy we live in the matrix democracy is diversionary tactic to prevent us from killing them all. And kill them all is what we must do.
    , @AndrewR
    We've bad a deep state dictatorship for a long time. Trump is simply the first president to not completely acquiesce to the deep state's agenda.

    As for nuclear war, that is certainly a horrifying possibility but even if they succeed in removing Trump from office for alleged collusion with Russia, that doesn't mean war will necessarily follow.
    , @utu
    There will be no open coup. Trump will resign for health reason or in the worst case scenario will be declared unfit for health reasons. And Pence will give a speech how great Trump was and how great his ideas were and that now he as president will continue his vision. And many people will believe it.
    , @Robert Dunn
    We already have a 'deep state' dictatorship.
  3. I don’t know who Robert Parry is but to me this Colin Powell stuff is pure nonsense. At the same time my answer to the question “Are They Really Out to Get Trump?” is affirmative. Republicans and Democrats want Trump out and Pence in. The operation with Flynn who allegedly deceived Pence was part of this plan. That Trump fired Flynn was his greatest mistake in this game. It was not fatal yet. This was Their plan since the election or even earlier since Republican convention: have Trump step down and have Pence take over. After April 4th it seemed that They got Trump where They wanted him to be. Trump even became presidential. The escalation of rhetoric against North Korea over following weekend and week reinforced this perception until it turned out that it was all fake. There was no fleet steaming to Korea. Media realized they were played by Trump. During this time Trump and Tillerson in particular got some breathing space. The pre-April 4 policy of agreeing with Russia on Syria continued. Apparently Russia understood that the missile attack on Syria was just part of the game. It was not personal. More recently the US agreed to safe zones plan by Russia, Syria, Iran and Turkey. One should expect a false flag of gas attack or accidental bombing by US air force of Syrian forces to happen soon – broadcasted all night before the start of the US media news cycle by BBC, so US media, all talking heads memorize all talking points.

    While it is possible that Trump behaves erratically w/o well thought out plans we must give him a benefit of doubt and assume that there is a deep reason for firing Comey. Trump is fighting for his life. While he would prefer to be presidential and enjoy easy going times and provide peace and safety for his family by know he knows that nothing will satisfy Them. They want him out! Erratic Trump and confused and chaotic WH is a meme which They and Their media want to plant and reinforce. That’s why we hear about it all the time. But how to explain the firing of Comey? I would look for the answer at DOJ. Initially their hands were tied up but slowly they showed that there is new leadership at DOJ that was working for Trump for a change. Their independence of the Deep State was demonstrated by forcing Israel police to arrest Mossad operative/patsy for the wave of world wide anti-semitic hoaxes that were meant to undermine and compromise Trump. This is the proof that DOJ and part of FBI finally is strong enough and working for Trump. What next do they want to do? If they want to squash this “collusion with Russia” false narrative that is paralyzing the administration and in fact all belt way they must hit at those who originated this narrative, meaning Hillary Clinton and Obama. To do it they need to have a full control of FBI. Comey is gone. McCabe must go next. Will DOJ and new FBI go after Susan Rice, Sally Yates and Loretta Lynch? If they do this will lead to Obama. Will they go after Hillary Clinton and her emails? Will they secure Anthony Weiner computer? Does it still exist? Who will be nominated to replace Comey? What Trump will have to promise GOP to have him approved?

    The bottom line is that Trump is fighting for his life.

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    • Replies: @Dr. X

    this Colin Powell stuff is pure nonsense
     
    To us it is, but the Deep State is obsessed with Colin Powell because he was the original Magic Negro twenty years before Obama appeared on the scene.
    , @the_chump
    Everything is moving so fast these days. Trump is under relentless pressure, I don't know if he will last. The media, neocons, and establishment are after him non-stop. The Wash Post says he revealed classified information to the Russians. Hannity, on his radio show, went over Comey's defacto indictment of Hillary from his last July presentation. Obviously, Hillary committed numerous felonies. The only way Trump can get revenge on what the media is doing to him is to allow the FBI to present a case of espionage or mishandling of classified information against Hillary, indict her, and send her to prison, and DON'T look back. He has to do it. That will do so much to restore trust in him with his base. He has to go for broke- because his enemies are.
    , @anonymous
    Thoughts at random:

    1)Note that the Hillary emails have very quietly dropped off the radar. Hmm... .

    2.) What actually IS (or, probably more appropriately "was") on the Weiner computer? Hmm ... .

    3.) Still waiting to hear what Lynch and Bill Clinton had to say to each other. Hmm... .
    , @anti_republocrat

    But how to explain the firing of Comey? I would look for the answer at DOJ.
     
    This was explained by Trump himself when he fired Comey for incompetence, based on Jeff Sessions' memo, which in turn relied on Rosenstein's memo to Sessions. Sessions recommended a "fresh start."
  4. Of course they are.
    The USA is not different from other western countries, such as GB, France, Austria, Italy, Greece, Netherlands.
    In each of these countries the battle is going on between the establisment, and those who want to rid themselves of this establishment.

    GB is the first country where maybe this succeeded, but, as in the USA, the GB establishment and the EU establishment do anything to prevent that things really change.

    The battle is between trying to dominate the world, neoliberalism, destruction of nation states, power of money, on the one hand, and nationalism, more or less certain jobs, rejection of wars, power of governments, on the other hand.

    In France one sees that once again the establishment won, 60% of the French still support the establishment, 40% rejects it.

    In other countries more or less the same.
    The opposing views make governing increasingly difficult, two months after the Dutch elections the efforts to contrue a government are a failure.
    Belgium was more than a year without a government.
    In Spain one government after another.
    The establishment now fears that Austria will turn around.
    Until now Brussels, by threats and cajoling, prevented a rebellion against Brussels in Poland and Hungary.
    The Greek rebellion failed completely.

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    • Replies: @alexander
    Some fine points here, Mr, Dykstra,

    I don't think, however, the notion of the "establishment" is a problem in itself.

    Our country has always had powerful elites, so have many other countries. The problem which presents itself today is our elites seem determined to perpetuate endless wars that cost obscene amounts of money, and do not seem to produce positive results in any of the places the wars are being fought.

    The "establishment" does not seem to care.

    It is now wholly unthinkable for our "establishment" to consider "making peace"and ending our wars. There is an addiction to "war spending" and "war profiteering" which has consumed the Deep State Apparatus, especially since 9-11, and operates almost completely independently of any administration in office.

    Its an insatiable appetite...that grows larger every year.

    Any President, elected by the people today,to end our wars will simply not be tolerated by the establishment class and the deep state it lords over.

    The problem is not that we have an "establishment", the problem is our establishment is addicted to war.

    Only "war" will do for them, full time, all the time..... end of story.

    Today, any President is given two choices once in office....make WAR..... or be impeached.
  5. My father was a farmer and every now and then he would ask me what comes after the letter P.
    i would answer Q.being the clever kid that i was.he would then be silent and get a slightly disappointed look on his face
    This went on for years
    One day he asked me again.what comes after P
    This time i decided to answer “NUT”
    He gave me a smile and said well done son.we will still make a farmer out of you.

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    Jimmy Carter?
    , @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Now why would a priest become a farmer? Blasphemous!
  6. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov had sought to sneak a recording device into the White House during last week’s visit.

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    Gentlemen, this is outrageous. I have never heard of such behavior in the war room before.

     

  7. “A soft coup engineered by the national security and intelligence agencies would be far more dangerous to our democracy than anything Donald Trump can do” concludes the writer.

    What is amazing is that Mr Giraldi still believes the USA is a democracy. Maybe if one compares it with China.
    Anyway, “a soft coup” has already happened in you history -Kennedy’s assassination by the deep state- and life just went on in the “greatest democracy” in the earth.
    A” soft coup” against Donald Trump will be in fact an improvement. The “narcissist” president won’t be killed. It will be a soft clean coup. Progress.

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  8. Perhaps this is the indication of where Trump and DOJ are going:

    Monday during the 10 p.m. ET news broadcast on Fox’s Washington, D.C. affiliate WTTG, correspondent Marina Marraco said an investigation by former D.C. homicide detective Rod Wheeler found that the now-deceased Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich had been emailing with WikiLeaks.

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/05/15/report-investigator-says-evidence-showing-deceased-dnc-staffer-seth-rich-emailing-wikileaks/

    But the Deep State respond with

    Deep State Leaks Highly Classified Info to Washington Post to Smear President Trump

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/15/deep-state-leaks-highly-classified-info-to-washington-post-to-smear-president-trump/

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    Trump Heads to Saudi Arabia – Target Iran and Iraq?

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  10. Document on PasteBin – ‘DOJ Dossier Memo – James Comey hid crimes of paedophile law firms defrauding client millions’

    Dismissal of FBI Director James Comey escalates concern at large paedophile law firms defrauding millions in client funds, whom Comey was protecting, in donor blackmail schemes tying into Hillary Clinton family and also Bush family ‘foundations’; threats to FBI agents, DOJ staff, US lawyers if they challenge crimes indulged by Comey

    Media campaign against President Trump over Comey firing, heavily led by media who earned paedophile bribery cash, now fearing criminal indictment under new US Attorney General Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III … US Dept of Justice files show paedophile and terrorism cash buying ‘Fake News’ at New York Times, UK Guardian; pro-Comey, anti-Trump attacks from rogue US intel

    FBI Comey role re bribing 2 federal judges; channelling funds from foreign child rape and terrorist groups; ‘pay us or we kill you’ extortion; selling ‘comfort letters’ to paedophiles; false evidence and perjury in USA federal courts; fraudulent documents claiming that witness journalist ‘agreed’ to lifelong ban of his own freedom of speech and press; paedophile, bribery and terrorist acts violating laws in at least six countries; paedophile-supporting lawyer of Google …

    Full document here -

    https://pastebin.com/CE1qV0Bm

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  11. Despite the TV image, it is rare for a CEO to outright sack one of his top executives. The story of dinners where Comey made his pitch to stay rings true to what I have seen in real life. Trump probably asked Comey if he wouldn’t be happier returning to private business where he made a boatload more money, and Comey, drunk on the power of high public office just wouldn’t pull the trigger for him.

    Comey was a goner in November … he just wouldn’t go quietly and on his own accord, no doubt for the reasons suggested in this piece … a so-called higher calling and his own inflated sense of service to his country.

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  12. Dear Mr. Giraldi,

    Thanks for another fine article.

    Certainly writers like Robert Parry and Ray Mcgovern, as well as yourself, have earned the highest of marks from internet readers around the globe, anxious for some integrity of analysis , as they seek to understand our nation’s policy decisions.

    As long as gentlemen like you, as well as others, keep writing , you will find your readership growing at an exponential rate.

    Having just noticed the latest by-line in Antiwar.com, I am forced to raise the question we should all be asking ourselves…

    “Was it Russia or was it…….. Seth Rich ? ”

    If there was indeed a “soft coup” in our country ,did it not occur at the DNC convention when our back room oligarchs decided to “putsch” Bernie Sanders out of the race, and gift the nomination to Hillary ?

    Was it not Bernie Sanders who was igniting the young progressive liberal base by the tens of millions ?

    Was it not Bernie who was gaining enormous momentum as the race for the nomination went on ?
    Was it not Bernie’s “message” that began to ring true for so many voters across the country ?

    Was it not Bernie Sanders who may well have swept the DNC nomination, were it not for the “dirty pool” being played out in the back room ?.

    According to the retired homicide detective, hired by the family of Seth Rich to investigate their son’s bizarre murder, it was Seth Rich who WAS in contact with Wikileaks.

    (For all those who don’t know who Seth Rich was , he was the 27 year old “voter data director” at the DNC, shot to death on july 10, 2016, in the Bloomingdale neighborhood of Washington D.C.)

    In an interview three days after Seth Rich was found dead, Julian Assange intimated, too, that Seth Rich HAD contacted Wikileaks….NOT Russia.

    The homicide detective hired by the family , also pointed out, after doing some rudimentary
    due diligence, that word had come down through the DC mayor’s office to stymie its own detectives in the murder investigation of Mr. Rich.

    Strange thing, especially when we are dealing with a homicide….No, Mr Giraldi ?

    If the Seth Rich murder was a “botched robbery” as is claimed, why won’t the DC police release Seth’s laptop computer to his family ?

    We are all aware there were “shenanigans” going on in the DNC that put the kibosh on the Bernie nomination.(we all know this)

    This makes sense too, given the fact that the DNC party bosses and their oligarchs, wanted Bernie running in the general election against the Donald…like they wanted a “hole in the head”.

    What we “cannot” see …..is how decisive Bernie’s margin of victory might have been,

    Nor can we see what “crimes” were committed to ensure Hillary’s run at the W. H.

    It is not much of a stretch to assume Seth Rich had hard evidence, perhaps of multiple counts of treasonous fraud and other sorted felonies that would have brought down “the back room” of the DNC.

    Not good for the party..not good for its oligarchs….and not good for their Hillary anointment.

    “Russia-gate” may prove to be the most concerted effort, by the powers that be, to DEFLECT from an investigation into their OWN “real”criminality .

    How savvy and how clever they are to manipulate the public’s perceptions, through Big Media, by grafting the allegations of the very crimes they may well have committed ….onto Russia, the Donald, and Vladimir Putin.

    Clever, clever, clever.

    Can any of us imagine, how cold a day in hell it will be before Rachel Maddow(or any MSM “journalist”) asks some basic questions about the Seth Rich laptop …….or what was on it ?

    Sub zero.

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    • Replies: @new handle
    Seth Rich will not be connected to Hillary Clinton. She will escape with minor cuts and bruises. The perpetrator(s) have plausible deniability and compartmentalization. "I did not put a hit out on that man".

    Unless, there are emails or other ELINT lurking in NSA or similar archives?
    , @RobinG
    "Was it not" Bernie who was a sheepdog, herding the controlled opposition?

    "Was it not" Bernie who echoed Hilligula's call for a No Fly Zone in Syria?

    "Was it not" Bernie who tweeted on 10 May 2017 "What is Trump afraid of? Why did he want to stop Comey's investigation? We need an independently appointed special counsel to tell us that."

    Don't peddle myths about that old fraud and sellout. [And if had been the candidate, he may have had neither "margin" nor victory if Bloomberg entered race.]

    Come what may, lots of us are glad that Trump won.
  13. Mr. Giralidi,

    I would be very interested in your take on the latest impeachable “scandal”, that Trump revealed unrevealable top secrets to Lavrov and Kislyak during their recent White House meeting.

    Among other things, how would the Washington Post know the specifics of the Trump-Lavrov conversation? Is the White House bugged?

    And if an intelligence source was somehow really compromised, is advertising that fact in the Washington Post (presumably on the front page) really the wisest course?

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    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
    The post clearly has a source in the White House and bear in mind that it is extremely hostile to Trump... but that said, McMaster was present and he said nothing that compromises sources or methods was revealed. It is the president's prerogative to discuss current developments in Syria with the Russians in whatever manner he sees fit as long as he is not compromising sources.
  14. Trump has turned out to be very weak. Maybe he just doesn’t believe in anything, so it doesn’t matter to him. Or maybe he has some ideas, but has no clue about implementation. He’s going to see the Tribe next week. That will tell us a lot, I’m thinking. But it’s a lot that we probably already know…or at least can guess.

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  15. “A soft coup engineered by the national security and intelligence agencies would be far more dangerous to our democracy than anything Donald Trump can do.”
    Until further notice, that is absolutely correct.
    It needs to be recalled – ad nauseam – that Russia-gate, or whatever rubbish its called, is a LIE. There is NO, repeat NO evidence of ANY wrong-doing by Trump re the Russians.
    The MSM & various elements of the “establishment” should suicide NOW from pure SHAME.

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    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    I'm told that the USA has a weird law, prohibiting contacts with the Russian government, it seems quite possible to me that Trump, and/or his associates, violated that law.
    If they did, in my opinion in the interests of of the USA, and the whole world.
    Most people in this world want to reduce the chances of WWIII, the war really to end all wars, because all large mammals will die.
    My advice to the USA is to abolish this law today.
  16. @for-the-record
    Mr. Giralidi,

    I would be very interested in your take on the latest impeachable "scandal", that Trump revealed unrevealable top secrets to Lavrov and Kislyak during their recent White House meeting.

    Among other things, how would the Washington Post know the specifics of the Trump-Lavrov conversation? Is the White House bugged?

    And if an intelligence source was somehow really compromised, is advertising that fact in the Washington Post (presumably on the front page) really the wisest course?

    The post clearly has a source in the White House and bear in mind that it is extremely hostile to Trump… but that said, McMaster was present and he said nothing that compromises sources or methods was revealed. It is the president’s prerogative to discuss current developments in Syria with the Russians in whatever manner he sees fit as long as he is not compromising sources.

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  17. A soft coup engineered by the national security and intelligence agencies would be far more dangerous to our democracy than anything Donald Trump can do.

    For more dangerous to American democracy has been the ZOG engineered by the “Friends of Zion,” but, unfortunately, there is little chance there will ever be a Zion-gate investigation.

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    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @RobinG
    Hah! If there ever is a "Zion-gate investigation" it will be run by the Jews! (By the Jewish satellites of the Zionists!)

    Unless you buy his book, there's no way of reading Atzmon, so the talks are it. In this one he answers questions about history revisionism (holocaust, Nakba etc.), Jewish controlled opposition, 911 and the truth movement, Breitbart's duplicity, Ted being Jerusalemites, JVP, Mondoweiss & the Jewish solidarity spin, Jewish mothers ...etc.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqpUGUqa0X4
    Gilad Atzmon Q & A, LA May 8th, 2017
  18. Trump was right in firing Comey. An open ended investigation that hasn’t yielded a scintilla of evidence of collusion with Russia after one year is not acceptable. Such an investigation would not have been tolerated if the target was a Marxist mulatto by the name of Barack Hussein Obama. Blacks would have rioted in response while the media cheered them on.

    If there’s a Constitutional crisis then it’s that the deep state apparatus in the form of the various alphabet soup intelligence agencies have the power to plot a coup against a duly elected president. They need to be stripped of much of their power and reformed but it’s probably already too late for that.

    I thought since Trump went from advocating a humble, non-interventionist foreign policy to loud and proud neo-conservative (in less than 100 days) that that would buy him protection from deep state machinations and endear him to the corrupt Washington, D.C. establishment. For a time he was even making “never Trumper” little (((William Kristol))) coo with delight which is no small feat. Moreover, he’s a lickspittle of Israel which seems a prerequisite for a presidential candidate.

    The only thing I can think of is that even though Trump’s picking up where Dubya and Obama left off on foreign policy, the deep state knows that Trump can be totally unpredictable and change on a dime. So he could go off the establishment reservation at a moment’s notice which makes them apoplectic. Hence, their attempts to get him out of the way and install someone more pliant and predictable like Tom Pence.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    "Murdered DNC Staffer Seth Rich Shared 44,053 Democrat Emails With WikiLeaks: Report"
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-16/murdered-dnc-staffer-seth-rich-shared-44000-emails-wikileaks
    "My investigation up to this point shows there was some degree of email exchange between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks," Wheeler told Fox News. "I do believe that the answers to who murdered Seth Rich sits on his computer on a shelf at the DC police or FBI headquarters. My investigation shows someone within the D.C. government, Democratic National Committee or Clinton team is blocking the murder investigation from going forward,” Wheeler told Fox News. “That is unfortunate. Seth Rich’s murder is unsolved as a result of that.”
  19. @exiled off mainstreet
    The coup, if successful, would probably mean the end of what would traditionally be considered to be a republican form of government in the US and its replacement by a deep state dictatorship. In light of what is being used, a phony claim of Russian interference with the US political system, the danger that nuclear war might be the outcome of this coup is real.

    This ” theory ” isnt a theory its not debatable and its clear both parties and every power node in the world are signalling they will do whatever they can to help. Its really a good thing they are not fooling anyone but some maroon prog snowflakes. Trump was the howard beale last option before civil war candidate, he won fair and square , actually despite massive cheating by the other side and now they are overthrowing him in full view of the american people.Its good as long as idiots on the right still believed in democracy, that getting their candidate in would change war was averted. after thirty years of steady leftism no matter who was in power they voted trump now trumps being overthrown. They will see we dont live in a democracy we live in the matrix democracy is diversionary tactic to prevent us from killing them all. And kill them all is what we must do.

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Your last sentence suggests that you are either a government agent or someone trying hard to get visited by the FBI.
    , @edNels

    [... now trumps being overthrown. They will see we dont live in a democracy we live in the matrix democracy is diversionary tactic to prevent us from...]
     
    That's about it alright.

    [...every power node in the world are signalling they will do whatever they can to help. Its really a good thing they are not fooling anyone...]
     
    that's true. Now do they care if anybody knows what they're up to? Or, worse, is it intentional to make a mockery out of democracy as it was understood for a long time, to pave the way to a new Totalitarianism, by undermining expectations and increasing malaise and defeatism?

    As, they don't need no more obsolete, stinkin' ''censent of the governed'' now that they got almost complete control of the virtual facts production propagation and damned near all the talking heads on the planet lying their asses off with official talking points Whole cloth bs stories.
    , @Stonehands
    Here! Here!
  20. @animalogic
    "A soft coup engineered by the national security and intelligence agencies would be far more dangerous to our democracy than anything Donald Trump can do."
    Until further notice, that is absolutely correct.
    It needs to be recalled - ad nauseam - that Russia-gate, or whatever rubbish its called, is a LIE. There is NO, repeat NO evidence of ANY wrong-doing by Trump re the Russians.
    The MSM & various elements of the "establishment" should suicide NOW from pure SHAME.

    I’m told that the USA has a weird law, prohibiting contacts with the Russian government, it seems quite possible to me that Trump, and/or his associates, violated that law.
    If they did, in my opinion in the interests of of the USA, and the whole world.
    Most people in this world want to reduce the chances of WWIII, the war really to end all wars, because all large mammals will die.
    My advice to the USA is to abolish this law today.

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  21. Conspiracies are NOT hard to sustain. That’s an absurd statement. Deepstate has been sustaining and expanding its conspiracies for 100 years. (There is always a ‘deep state’ of some kind, but the current well-organized structure was created by Wilson.)

    A conspiracy AGAINST Deepstate is hard to sustain because Deepstate owns and monitors all public communications.

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  22. @jilles dykstra
    Of course they are.
    The USA is not different from other western countries, such as GB, France, Austria, Italy, Greece, Netherlands.
    In each of these countries the battle is going on between the establisment, and those who want to rid themselves of this establishment.

    GB is the first country where maybe this succeeded, but, as in the USA, the GB establishment and the EU establishment do anything to prevent that things really change.

    The battle is between trying to dominate the world, neoliberalism, destruction of nation states, power of money, on the one hand, and nationalism, more or less certain jobs, rejection of wars, power of governments, on the other hand.

    In France one sees that once again the establishment won, 60% of the French still support the establishment, 40% rejects it.

    In other countries more or less the same.
    The opposing views make governing increasingly difficult, two months after the Dutch elections the efforts to contrue a government are a failure.
    Belgium was more than a year without a government.
    In Spain one government after another.
    The establishment now fears that Austria will turn around.
    Until now Brussels, by threats and cajoling, prevented a rebellion against Brussels in Poland and Hungary.
    The Greek rebellion failed completely.

    Some fine points here, Mr, Dykstra,

    I don’t think, however, the notion of the “establishment” is a problem in itself.

    Our country has always had powerful elites, so have many other countries. The problem which presents itself today is our elites seem determined to perpetuate endless wars that cost obscene amounts of money, and do not seem to produce positive results in any of the places the wars are being fought.

    The “establishment” does not seem to care.

    It is now wholly unthinkable for our “establishment” to consider “making peace”and ending our wars. There is an addiction to “war spending” and “war profiteering” which has consumed the Deep State Apparatus, especially since 9-11, and operates almost completely independently of any administration in office.

    Its an insatiable appetite…that grows larger every year.

    Any President, elected by the people today,to end our wars will simply not be tolerated by the establishment class and the deep state it lords over.

    The problem is not that we have an “establishment”, the problem is our establishment is addicted to war.

    Only “war” will do for them, full time, all the time….. end of story.

    Today, any President is given two choices once in office….make WAR….. or be impeached.

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    In my not so modest opinion the USA has an establisment that does not care for the USA.
    Below I copy parts of senator Hollings' speech:
    Senator Ernest Hollings utters the forbidden words
    By Senator Ernest Hollings and Axis editorial note.
    May 22, 2004, 17:47

    ..........................

    Is there anything wrong with referring to the Jewish vote? Good gosh, every one of us of the 100, with pollsters and all, refer to the Jewish vote. That is not anti-Semitic. It is appreciating them. We campaigned for it.

    I just read about President Bush's appearance before the AIPAC. He confirmed his support of the Jewish vote, referring to adopting Ariel Sharon's policy, and the dickens with the 1967 borders, the heck with negotiating the return of refugees, the heck with the settlements he had objected to originally. They had those borders, Resolution No. 242--no, no, President Bush said: I am going along with Sharon, and he was going to get that and he got the wonderful reception he got with the Jewish vote. There is nothing like politicizing or a conspiracy, as my friend from Virginia, Senator Allen, says--that it is an anti-Semitic, political, conspiracy statement.

    That is not a conspiracy. That is the policy. I didn't like to keep it a secret, maybe; but I can tell you now, I will challenge any one of the other 99 Senators to tell us why we are in Iraq, other than what this policy is here. It is an adopted policy, a domino theory of The Project For The New American Century.

    ...............................


    How do you create terrorists? Where is the front line in the so-called war on terrorism? I learned the answer recently on a trip I was on with the distinguished chairman of the Appropriations Committee and the chairman of the Armed Services Committee. We talked for over an hour with the King of Jordan. He finally cautioned at the very end, when we stood up, he said: You have to settle this Israel-Palestine question. That is the only way to get on top of this. We went over to Kuwait to the Prime Minister when he got through, he said: You have to settle the Israel-Palestine situation. I will quote Mr. Musharraf, the President of Pakistan. When we got there, he cautioned if you can settle the Israel-Palestine question, terrorism will disappear around the world.

    .....................
  23. While the collusion story is an obvious canard there is another level to this “Russian thing” which may prove to be extremely damaging to Trump. And that is Trump’s participation in a money-laundering operation with the Russo-jewish mafia going back decades. Some of the investigations have expanded their scope to include careful scrutiny of Trump’s business dealings in relation to Russia. Recently FinCEN, which specializes in fighting money laundering, agreed to turn over records to the Senate Intelligence Committee in this regard. Even Sen. Linsey Graham recently stated he wanted to know more about Trump’s business dealings with Russia. The possibility that this may result in a criminal investigation cannot be ruled out. The money-laundering angle is already all over the Web (ex. google: Bayrock Trump) and, one must assume, in the hands of various intelligence agencies. .This may be the basis for Trump’s increasingly frantic attempts to shut down the “Russian thing” investigation.(Comey firing??)

    Dutch Public Broadcasting has recently broadcast a two part series exploring some of the connections involving Trump’s business dealings with Russia.

    THE DUBIOUS FRIENDS OF DONALD TRUMP: THE RUSSIANS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKLWloj2ohM (part 1)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LxtQ0CMzQQ (part 2)

    More detail and background is provided in this informative article by James S. Henry, a reputable investigative journalist:

    The Curious World of Donald Trump’s Private Russian Connections

    https://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/12/19/the-curious-world-of-donald-trumps-private-russian-connections/

    p.s.: Regarding the term Russo-jewish mafia, should you watch the videos and read the article you will find the players involved are almost exclusively of a certain ‘tribal’ persuasion. (A number have direct links to the infamous Mogilevich crime syndicate (top 10 FBI’s most wanted list) and one of the principals of Bayrock was named as a major Israeli organized crime figure by the Turkish media following his arrest there.)

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    • Replies: @utu
    The fact hat the mafia is Russo-Jewish with emphasis on the 2nd term offers some protection to Trump particularly that most likely the connection ago through Tel Avis and Bibi Netanyahu. But obviously some Jews can be sacrificed if those who want to get Trump are desperate.
  24. Phil,
    As you know, Brennan is an extreme liberal Democrat, a creature of both Clinton and Obama. He is an utterly unprincipled old fool. He failed as a CIA operations officer and went back to Langley with his tail between his legs to become analyst. Nothing wrong with that but he nursed bitter resentment at the Clandestine Service during his whole career. He was finally allowed to go out as chief in, of all places, Riyadh. He promptly destroyed the station with his incompetence, though he earned the praise of the ambassador, as such toadies usually do. Brennan is perfectly capable of the things you describe. Washington is awash in these kinds of traitors. If Trump does not have a plan to arrest them all some dark night then he is a fool himself.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    Do you think it's true that he converted to Islam?
  25. And President Barack Obama was likely the initiator, notably so when he de facto authorized the wide distribution of raw intelligence on Trump and the Russians through executive order.

    I repeat, why hasn’t Trump issued an executive order cancelling Obama’s executive order? He needs to stop this information sharing if he expects to remain President.

    Phil, is there any one who has Trump’s ear? The mainstream media are hell bent in destroying anyone close to Trump. First, Flynn, then Steve Bannon and now Kellyanne Conway. Trump must stop these leaks from the White House. He should fire all Obama holdovers.

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  26. @Hobo
    While the collusion story is an obvious canard there is another level to this “Russian thing” which may prove to be extremely damaging to Trump. And that is Trump’s participation in a money-laundering operation with the Russo-jewish mafia going back decades. Some of the investigations have expanded their scope to include careful scrutiny of Trump’s business dealings in relation to Russia. Recently FinCEN, which specializes in fighting money laundering, agreed to turn over records to the Senate Intelligence Committee in this regard. Even Sen. Linsey Graham recently stated he wanted to know more about Trump’s business dealings with Russia. The possibility that this may result in a criminal investigation cannot be ruled out. The money-laundering angle is already all over the Web (ex. google: Bayrock Trump) and, one must assume, in the hands of various intelligence agencies. .This may be the basis for Trump’s increasingly frantic attempts to shut down the “Russian thing” investigation.(Comey firing??)



    Dutch Public Broadcasting has recently broadcast a two part series exploring some of the connections involving Trump’s business dealings with Russia.

    THE DUBIOUS FRIENDS OF DONALD TRUMP: THE RUSSIANS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKLWloj2ohM (part 1)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LxtQ0CMzQQ (part 2)


    More detail and background is provided in this informative article by James S. Henry, a reputable investigative journalist:

    The Curious World of Donald Trump’s Private Russian Connections
    https://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/12/19/the-curious-world-of-donald-trumps-private-russian-connections/


    p.s.: Regarding the term Russo-jewish mafia, should you watch the videos and read the article you will find the players involved are almost exclusively of a certain ‘tribal’ persuasion. (A number have direct links to the infamous Mogilevich crime syndicate (top 10 FBI’s most wanted list) and one of the principals of Bayrock was named as a major Israeli organized crime figure by the Turkish media following his arrest there.)

    The fact hat the mafia is Russo-Jewish with emphasis on the 2nd term offers some protection to Trump particularly that most likely the connection ago through Tel Avis and Bibi Netanyahu. But obviously some Jews can be sacrificed if those who want to get Trump are desperate.

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  27. @exiled off mainstreet
    The coup, if successful, would probably mean the end of what would traditionally be considered to be a republican form of government in the US and its replacement by a deep state dictatorship. In light of what is being used, a phony claim of Russian interference with the US political system, the danger that nuclear war might be the outcome of this coup is real.

    We’ve bad a deep state dictatorship for a long time. Trump is simply the first president to not completely acquiesce to the deep state’s agenda.

    As for nuclear war, that is certainly a horrifying possibility but even if they succeed in removing Trump from office for alleged collusion with Russia, that doesn’t mean war will necessarily follow.

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  28. I recently produced my own analysis of the possibility that there is in progress a soft, or stealth or silent coup, call it what you will, underway directed against the president and that, if it exists, it is being directed by former senior officials from the Obama White House. Indeed, it is quite plausible to suggest that it was orchestrated within the Obama White House itself before the government changed hands at the inauguration on January 20th. In line with that thinking, some observers are now suggesting that Comey might well have been party to the conspiracy and his dismissal would have been perfectly justified based on his demonstrated interference in both the electoral process and in his broadening of the acceptable role of his own Bureau, which Trump has described as “showboating.”

    It’s quite difficult to accept this line of thought when Comey practically scuppered Hillary’s bid, something strongly endorsed by Obama. Going with this narrative requires Obama to have engineered Hillary’s departure followed by a concerted plan to unseat Trump as well, both objectives utilising Comey!

    To what end? Paint chaos on the American political canvas?

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    • Replies: @iffen
    It’s quite difficult to accept this line of thought when Comey practically scuppered Hillary’s bid

    There is reason to believe that Clinton's email troubles were having a major impact.

    Many were unconvinced by Comey's first pronouncement that there was no case there. (I thought this was the prosecutor's job anyway. People would have been skeptical of a compromised Lynch saying that there was no case, but might be persuaded by Comey.)

    Reopening the investigation in a dramatic public manner (I guess we do tell who is under investigation) and then coming back to announce, "We were correct the first time; there is no case" might convince a few thousand staggling doubters. It was very close.

    , @anonymous

    To what end? Paint chaos on the American political canvas?
     
    oh my oh my oh my.
    who would even think of creating chaos to achieve an overarching agenda?
    shocked I am, just shocked.
  29. @Colleen Pater
    This " theory " isnt a theory its not debatable and its clear both parties and every power node in the world are signalling they will do whatever they can to help. Its really a good thing they are not fooling anyone but some maroon prog snowflakes. Trump was the howard beale last option before civil war candidate, he won fair and square , actually despite massive cheating by the other side and now they are overthrowing him in full view of the american people.Its good as long as idiots on the right still believed in democracy, that getting their candidate in would change war was averted. after thirty years of steady leftism no matter who was in power they voted trump now trumps being overthrown. They will see we dont live in a democracy we live in the matrix democracy is diversionary tactic to prevent us from killing them all. And kill them all is what we must do.

    Your last sentence suggests that you are either a government agent or someone trying hard to get visited by the FBI.

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  30. @Sam Shama

    I recently produced my own analysis of the possibility that there is in progress a soft, or stealth or silent coup, call it what you will, underway directed against the president and that, if it exists, it is being directed by former senior officials from the Obama White House. Indeed, it is quite plausible to suggest that it was orchestrated within the Obama White House itself before the government changed hands at the inauguration on January 20th. In line with that thinking, some observers are now suggesting that Comey might well have been party to the conspiracy and his dismissal would have been perfectly justified based on his demonstrated interference in both the electoral process and in his broadening of the acceptable role of his own Bureau, which Trump has described as “showboating.”
     
    It's quite difficult to accept this line of thought when Comey practically scuppered Hillary's bid, something strongly endorsed by Obama. Going with this narrative requires Obama to have engineered Hillary's departure followed by a concerted plan to unseat Trump as well, both objectives utilising Comey!

    To what end? Paint chaos on the American political canvas?

    It’s quite difficult to accept this line of thought when Comey practically scuppered Hillary’s bid

    There is reason to believe that Clinton’s email troubles were having a major impact.

    Many were unconvinced by Comey’s first pronouncement that there was no case there. (I thought this was the prosecutor’s job anyway. People would have been skeptical of a compromised Lynch saying that there was no case, but might be persuaded by Comey.)

    Reopening the investigation in a dramatic public manner (I guess we do tell who is under investigation) and then coming back to announce, “We were correct the first time; there is no case” might convince a few thousand staggling doubters. It was very close.

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    I need to understand why Phil Giraldi thinks she was considered a flawed candidate from the Deep State's perspective.

    In the minds of non-mainstream writers who constantly viewed her as the embodiment of the Establishment, one wouldn't have wagered "their" perfect candidate to be marked for removal.
  31. @exiled off mainstreet
    The coup, if successful, would probably mean the end of what would traditionally be considered to be a republican form of government in the US and its replacement by a deep state dictatorship. In light of what is being used, a phony claim of Russian interference with the US political system, the danger that nuclear war might be the outcome of this coup is real.

    There will be no open coup. Trump will resign for health reason or in the worst case scenario will be declared unfit for health reasons. And Pence will give a speech how great Trump was and how great his ideas were and that now he as president will continue his vision. And many people will believe it.

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    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith

    There will be no open coup. Trump will resign for health reason or in the worst case scenario will be declared unfit for health reasons. And Pence will give a speech how great Trump was and how great his ideas were and that now he as president will continue his vision. And many people will believe it.
     
    I think you've nailed it. 18 months, call it? Give or take 3 months?
  32. @alexander
    Some fine points here, Mr, Dykstra,

    I don't think, however, the notion of the "establishment" is a problem in itself.

    Our country has always had powerful elites, so have many other countries. The problem which presents itself today is our elites seem determined to perpetuate endless wars that cost obscene amounts of money, and do not seem to produce positive results in any of the places the wars are being fought.

    The "establishment" does not seem to care.

    It is now wholly unthinkable for our "establishment" to consider "making peace"and ending our wars. There is an addiction to "war spending" and "war profiteering" which has consumed the Deep State Apparatus, especially since 9-11, and operates almost completely independently of any administration in office.

    Its an insatiable appetite...that grows larger every year.

    Any President, elected by the people today,to end our wars will simply not be tolerated by the establishment class and the deep state it lords over.

    The problem is not that we have an "establishment", the problem is our establishment is addicted to war.

    Only "war" will do for them, full time, all the time..... end of story.

    Today, any President is given two choices once in office....make WAR..... or be impeached.

    In my not so modest opinion the USA has an establisment that does not care for the USA.
    Below I copy parts of senator Hollings’ speech:
    Senator Ernest Hollings utters the forbidden words
    By Senator Ernest Hollings and Axis editorial note.
    May 22, 2004, 17:47

    [MORE]

    ……………………..

    Is there anything wrong with referring to the Jewish vote? Good gosh, every one of us of the 100, with pollsters and all, refer to the Jewish vote. That is not anti-Semitic. It is appreciating them. We campaigned for it.

    I just read about President Bush’s appearance before the AIPAC. He confirmed his support of the Jewish vote, referring to adopting Ariel Sharon’s policy, and the dickens with the 1967 borders, the heck with negotiating the return of refugees, the heck with the settlements he had objected to originally. They had those borders, Resolution No. 242–no, no, President Bush said: I am going along with Sharon, and he was going to get that and he got the wonderful reception he got with the Jewish vote. There is nothing like politicizing or a conspiracy, as my friend from Virginia, Senator Allen, says–that it is an anti-Semitic, political, conspiracy statement.

    That is not a conspiracy. That is the policy. I didn’t like to keep it a secret, maybe; but I can tell you now, I will challenge any one of the other 99 Senators to tell us why we are in Iraq, other than what this policy is here. It is an adopted policy, a domino theory of The Project For The New American Century.

    ………………………….

    How do you create terrorists? Where is the front line in the so-called war on terrorism? I learned the answer recently on a trip I was on with the distinguished chairman of the Appropriations Committee and the chairman of the Armed Services Committee. We talked for over an hour with the King of Jordan. He finally cautioned at the very end, when we stood up, he said: You have to settle this Israel-Palestine question. That is the only way to get on top of this. We went over to Kuwait to the Prime Minister when he got through, he said: You have to settle the Israel-Palestine situation. I will quote Mr. Musharraf, the President of Pakistan. When we got there, he cautioned if you can settle the Israel-Palestine question, terrorism will disappear around the world.

    …………………

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    @Anon
    Trump Heads to Saudi Arabia - Target Iran and Iraq?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIYy10NJcMI

    informative discussion. thanks for posting.

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  34. The short answer is yes! March 31, 2017 The Surveillance State Behind Russia-Gate

    Although many details are still hazy because of secrecy – and further befogged by politics – it appears House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes was informed last week about invasive electronic surveillance of senior U.S. government officials and, in turn, passed that information onto President Trump.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-surveillance-state-behind-russia-gate/5582211

    Mar 9, 2017 BADA BING! NSA Whistleblower Confirms Trump Was Tapped!

    They’re wire tapping President Trump, and Kim Kardashian, and Hulk Hogan, and you… and EVERYBODY!

    https://youtu.be/tWOCLMJRQ7I

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  35. It is now wholly unthinkable for our “establishment” to consider “making peace”and ending our wars. There is an addiction to “war spending” and “war profiteering” which has consumed the Deep State Apparatus, especially since 9-11, and operates almost completely independently of any administration in office.

    Precisely. Frankly, I suspect 90% of the daily brouhaha of conspiracies and collusion theories is a product solely of tawdry greed. The rich will do anything for money …. anything.

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    @Sam Shama

    I recently produced my own analysis of the possibility that there is in progress a soft, or stealth or silent coup, call it what you will, underway directed against the president and that, if it exists, it is being directed by former senior officials from the Obama White House. Indeed, it is quite plausible to suggest that it was orchestrated within the Obama White House itself before the government changed hands at the inauguration on January 20th. In line with that thinking, some observers are now suggesting that Comey might well have been party to the conspiracy and his dismissal would have been perfectly justified based on his demonstrated interference in both the electoral process and in his broadening of the acceptable role of his own Bureau, which Trump has described as “showboating.”
     
    It's quite difficult to accept this line of thought when Comey practically scuppered Hillary's bid, something strongly endorsed by Obama. Going with this narrative requires Obama to have engineered Hillary's departure followed by a concerted plan to unseat Trump as well, both objectives utilising Comey!

    To what end? Paint chaos on the American political canvas?

    To what end? Paint chaos on the American political canvas?

    oh my oh my oh my.
    who would even think of creating chaos to achieve an overarching agenda?
    shocked I am, just shocked.

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  37. Reopening the investigation in a dramatic public manner (I guess we do tell who is under investigation) and then coming back to announce, “We were correct the first time; there is no case” might convince a few thousand staggling doubters. It was very close.

    Quite so. Comey’s election-eve announcement was a calculated risk, with the intention of making the “investigation” of Clinton look legitimate and professional, not just lip service to troublesome legalities. It was intended to produce a public reaction like “Oh, they double-checked like good investigators, and sure enough, Hillary’s email operation was completely legit.”

    Done clumsily, and it backfired.

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    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @utu

    Comey’s election-eve announcement was a calculated risk, with the intention of making the “investigation” of Clinton look legitimate and professional, not just lip service to troublesome legalities.
     
    No. They knew then that election could not be stolen (for whatever reasons) for Clinton. The 28th October announcement by Comey was the signal to press to change the fake narrative of huge advantage in polls by Hillary and prepare the eventual excuse for Hillary why she lost.
    , @Alden
    I think you're right. I doubt Comey did it on his own. He followed DNC orders and perhaps it back fired as you say. Or maybe it had no effect on the election. Few voters change their minds a week before the election.
  38. At what point does political infighting cross the line into treason?

    There’s a line somewhere between the two, obviously. Perhaps its when you break the law? Perhaps its when you leak classified documents? Or details of a key diplomatic meeting?

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  39. @utu
    There will be no open coup. Trump will resign for health reason or in the worst case scenario will be declared unfit for health reasons. And Pence will give a speech how great Trump was and how great his ideas were and that now he as president will continue his vision. And many people will believe it.

    There will be no open coup. Trump will resign for health reason or in the worst case scenario will be declared unfit for health reasons. And Pence will give a speech how great Trump was and how great his ideas were and that now he as president will continue his vision. And many people will believe it.

    I think you’ve nailed it. 18 months, call it? Give or take 3 months?

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  40. @iffen
    It’s quite difficult to accept this line of thought when Comey practically scuppered Hillary’s bid

    There is reason to believe that Clinton's email troubles were having a major impact.

    Many were unconvinced by Comey's first pronouncement that there was no case there. (I thought this was the prosecutor's job anyway. People would have been skeptical of a compromised Lynch saying that there was no case, but might be persuaded by Comey.)

    Reopening the investigation in a dramatic public manner (I guess we do tell who is under investigation) and then coming back to announce, "We were correct the first time; there is no case" might convince a few thousand staggling doubters. It was very close.

    I need to understand why Phil Giraldi thinks she was considered a flawed candidate from the Deep State’s perspective.

    In the minds of non-mainstream writers who constantly viewed her as the embodiment of the Establishment, one wouldn’t have wagered “their” perfect candidate to be marked for removal.

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    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
    I don't think she was - I think she epitomized the establishment. I was merely explaining how Robert Parry was in turn interpreting what he has been hearing. If she was perceived as being too aggressive that might well have been seen as a problem.
    , @iffen
    I need to understand your question.

    If there is a Deep State, Comey is part of it and Clinton would have been their candidate.

    Comey's two part drama was intended to neutralize the email question. Perhaps there was a miscalculation and he should have announced that there was no case after all, three days or four days before the election rather than two. The intent of the 2nd announcement was to pound home the message that, "We double checked and there is no case."
  41. @John Jeremiah Smith

    Reopening the investigation in a dramatic public manner (I guess we do tell who is under investigation) and then coming back to announce, “We were correct the first time; there is no case” might convince a few thousand staggling doubters. It was very close.
     
    Quite so. Comey's election-eve announcement was a calculated risk, with the intention of making the "investigation" of Clinton look legitimate and professional, not just lip service to troublesome legalities. It was intended to produce a public reaction like "Oh, they double-checked like good investigators, and sure enough, Hillary's email operation was completely legit."

    Done clumsily, and it backfired.

    Comey’s election-eve announcement was a calculated risk, with the intention of making the “investigation” of Clinton look legitimate and professional, not just lip service to troublesome legalities.

    No. They knew then that election could not be stolen (for whatever reasons) for Clinton. The 28th October announcement by Comey was the signal to press to change the fake narrative of huge advantage in polls by Hillary and prepare the eventual excuse for Hillary why she lost.

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    No. They knew then that election could not be stolen (for whatever reasons) for Clinton. The 28th October announcement by Comey was the signal to press to change the fake narrative of huge advantage in polls by Hillary and prepare the eventual excuse for Hillary why she lost.

     

    Wrong. And, unfortunately, sir, you have a much bigger "prove it" problem than I. In your scenario, all 'they' had to do was tell Comey to announce Clinton's innocence, with just the right amount of "we felt it our duty to America to perform a thorough double-checking of the facts" overtone.
  42. @John Jeremiah Smith

    Reopening the investigation in a dramatic public manner (I guess we do tell who is under investigation) and then coming back to announce, “We were correct the first time; there is no case” might convince a few thousand staggling doubters. It was very close.
     
    Quite so. Comey's election-eve announcement was a calculated risk, with the intention of making the "investigation" of Clinton look legitimate and professional, not just lip service to troublesome legalities. It was intended to produce a public reaction like "Oh, they double-checked like good investigators, and sure enough, Hillary's email operation was completely legit."

    Done clumsily, and it backfired.

    I think you’re right. I doubt Comey did it on his own. He followed DNC orders and perhaps it back fired as you say. Or maybe it had no effect on the election. Few voters change their minds a week before the election.

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  43. @Sam Shama
    I need to understand why Phil Giraldi thinks she was considered a flawed candidate from the Deep State's perspective.

    In the minds of non-mainstream writers who constantly viewed her as the embodiment of the Establishment, one wouldn't have wagered "their" perfect candidate to be marked for removal.

    I don’t think she was – I think she epitomized the establishment. I was merely explaining how Robert Parry was in turn interpreting what he has been hearing. If she was perceived as being too aggressive that might well have been seen as a problem.

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    Thanks, Dr Giraldi. Well, it makes some sense I suppose - Parry's interpretations, that is. It all seems driven by a blundering non-plan of sorts.

    The question still hangs in the air as to why remove Trump at all when he appears to be doing everything the establishment wants, granted in the strange style he's known for.

    A well-planned scheme this does not have the makings of.
    , @Art
    It is all about the server. Those intelligence spymasters (Comey, Brennen, and Clapper) knew that Hillary was vulnerable because at some time they knew about her email server. Hillary was weak because she was guilty as hell for years, and they knew it. They feared the revelation - - when it happened they helped her.

    There was a virtual coup on the Friday that Bill collared and compromised Lynch (taking her off the hot seat), then on Saturday Comey had the sham FBI interview of Hillary, and then on Tuesday morning, Comey declared Hillary innocent. That afternoon Obama and Hillary flew off to campaign Valhalla with the media all in a flutter, on the road to election victory. That was a virtual deep state government coup to make Hillary electable.

    Comey revealed the Weiner emails because he had too. Someone was going to leak them if he did not announce them. Like magic they were all reviewed and ok’ed before the election. How sweet. Only the American people did not buy it.

    So now the Trump coup goes on – only with vastly more players – all the media, all the Democrats, the top-level Republicans, and most all the government works. Ninety percent of establishment American wants a Trump downfall. Only the military and the cops are with Trump. It is 50-50 – “will Trump make it all four years.”

  44. It looks to me as though the “deep state” is getting progressive dementia. While inhabited by many high I.Q. players, their moves are increasingly insane. They had assumed their “Surveillance State” would become all intrusive, giving them ever greater control over us peasants. The reverse has happened, where most of the 7 billion of us have cell phones that record and display all their nefarious deeds. We have a million times more high I.Q. people than them, that increasingly are waking up and exposing those psychopaths for the pieces of garbage that they are.

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  45. @Sam Shama
    I need to understand why Phil Giraldi thinks she was considered a flawed candidate from the Deep State's perspective.

    In the minds of non-mainstream writers who constantly viewed her as the embodiment of the Establishment, one wouldn't have wagered "their" perfect candidate to be marked for removal.

    I need to understand your question.

    If there is a Deep State, Comey is part of it and Clinton would have been their candidate.

    Comey’s two part drama was intended to neutralize the email question. Perhaps there was a miscalculation and he should have announced that there was no case after all, three days or four days before the election rather than two. The intent of the 2nd announcement was to pound home the message that, “We double checked and there is no case.”

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    Ok, I think I understand the premise; still, it sounds bloody odd to throw in something as unpredictable in its effect on polls as an FBI director's intervention followed by a long period of silence during which much damage was done to Hilde.

    If the Dems knew Hilde's precarious position why step into the risky path of an FBI investigation at all? An act of desperation to turn people around to her when exonerated? (Sorry I am just trying to make sense of the whole pantomime which really smacks of pretty fatheaded planning)
  46. @utu

    Comey’s election-eve announcement was a calculated risk, with the intention of making the “investigation” of Clinton look legitimate and professional, not just lip service to troublesome legalities.
     
    No. They knew then that election could not be stolen (for whatever reasons) for Clinton. The 28th October announcement by Comey was the signal to press to change the fake narrative of huge advantage in polls by Hillary and prepare the eventual excuse for Hillary why she lost.

    No. They knew then that election could not be stolen (for whatever reasons) for Clinton. The 28th October announcement by Comey was the signal to press to change the fake narrative of huge advantage in polls by Hillary and prepare the eventual excuse for Hillary why she lost.

    Wrong. And, unfortunately, sir, you have a much bigger “prove it” problem than I. In your scenario, all ‘they’ had to do was tell Comey to announce Clinton’s innocence, with just the right amount of “we felt it our duty to America to perform a thorough double-checking of the facts” overtone.

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  47. @mcohen
    My father was a farmer and every now and then he would ask me what comes after the letter P.
    i would answer Q.being the clever kid that i was.he would then be silent and get a slightly disappointed look on his face
    This went on for years
    One day he asked me again.what comes after P
    This time i decided to answer "NUT"
    He gave me a smile and said well done son.we will still make a farmer out of you.

    Jimmy Carter?

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    Well done.misadventures in the desert.

    Heres another

    A missionary was having a christmas lunch with a few locals in deepest darkest africa.having spent the year teaching english to them he asked the headman......
    "What comes after... "T"

    The headman answered ..."U"

  48. @Colleen Pater
    This " theory " isnt a theory its not debatable and its clear both parties and every power node in the world are signalling they will do whatever they can to help. Its really a good thing they are not fooling anyone but some maroon prog snowflakes. Trump was the howard beale last option before civil war candidate, he won fair and square , actually despite massive cheating by the other side and now they are overthrowing him in full view of the american people.Its good as long as idiots on the right still believed in democracy, that getting their candidate in would change war was averted. after thirty years of steady leftism no matter who was in power they voted trump now trumps being overthrown. They will see we dont live in a democracy we live in the matrix democracy is diversionary tactic to prevent us from killing them all. And kill them all is what we must do.

    [... now trumps being overthrown. They will see we dont live in a democracy we live in the matrix democracy is diversionary tactic to prevent us from...]

    That’s about it alright.

    [...every power node in the world are signalling they will do whatever they can to help. Its really a good thing they are not fooling anyone...]

    that’s true. Now do they care if anybody knows what they’re up to? Or, worse, is it intentional to make a mockery out of democracy as it was understood for a long time, to pave the way to a new Totalitarianism, by undermining expectations and increasing malaise and defeatism?

    As, they don’t need no more obsolete, stinkin’ ”censent of the governed” now that they got almost complete control of the virtual facts production propagation and damned near all the talking heads on the planet lying their asses off with official talking points Whole cloth bs stories.

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    • Replies: @Colleen Pater
    I thinks its a stupid overreach by them, in fact just more of the past eight years overreach that got them trump. They sense they are close to total victory and are losing patience.It may cost them the game.
    You are correct one psyops tactic states or any oppressor may use is to flaunt their power,certainly in aspects of government they have alway done this to some extent and that has ratchet up over the years. The anarcho tyranny of the police /criminal/citizen is a good example. When was the last time you hears the phrase "its a free country"? decades but I used to hear it daily up to the early eighties.
    But they have always been careful to isolate "muh democracy" from the high handedness. Certainly it hasnt been democracy in decades perhaps never was. But the great thing about using the pretense of democracy to cover you thuggery is theirs no ones head to chop off. with a monarch dictator etc if things get bad enough you know what the answer is. In a "democracy" theres no one to kill. First theres the eternal hope of better luck next election. But its really way beyond that people get that its not just the politicians of both parties its the media, its wall street, its the academics, its the NGOs and soros types,etc etc This diffusion of power by an amorphorous elite some elected some not but all with vested interests gives the average "voter" cum mob a fatalist acceptance- "its just the way it is" is what he thinks-"you cant change things" This is because he realizes he cant pinpoint who is to blame.
    But once they expose their hands and make clear there is no democracy you can vote for a howard beale candidate but we will simply make some shit up and depose him, then it becomes clear exactly who is to blame, We are to blame we allowed this to happen and we begin to identify more clearly who "they" is Soros, The Spooks,media,one begins to realize they can all be killed there really are not that many of them, and if I dont do it now that I know then I have to accept the blame myself. I dont think they want this to happen, I think we are realizing they are a lot stupider than we imagined they actually think niggers are interchangeable with whites, that they will be allowed to continue to rule over a world overun with niggers incited to hatred by them, and they think we actually believe this russia crap and dont see clearly things like this deep state coup, the racial marxist global corporatist alliance, the population replacement etc They have to rely on new recruits who begin as true believers and over the decades the IQ drops dramatically the only smart ones are true sociopaths like the clintons
  49. Comey was abruptly and unceremoniously fired after he stated that clinton had forwarded thousands of e-mails containing classified information on an unsecured server to weiner and friends. Hardly covering clintons back. The FBI investigates- it does not prosecute- that is the function of the attorney generals office. The AG solely has the power to convene a grand jury, not the FBI. The deputy attorney general Rosenstein? writes a scathing report and recommendation to fire Comey. Trump, probably on kushners? urging fires Comey. Comey redacts his prior statement. My guess is that the FBI were very close to the neocons hidden secret-clinton and its foundation are foreign assets and not of Russia, hence, we have the Russia-gate diversion. Unfortunately, Comeys replacement will be toothless, merely a shelf ornament. And what happened? We hear no more of Kushners? omitting his relationship to the Rothchilds enterprises. Flynn was fired for far less. Is/ are Kushner? and/ or Rosenstein the leak(s)?

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  50. The people pushing the big lie about Trump and Russia are legion. And they are not stupid. They are evil. They are the same people who are preparing a preemptive nuclear attack against Russia and China. They are the globalists who would institute a universal Feudalism from which there would be no escape. I have no further use for Trump. But his enemies remain enemies of the people.

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  51. @exiled off mainstreet
    The coup, if successful, would probably mean the end of what would traditionally be considered to be a republican form of government in the US and its replacement by a deep state dictatorship. In light of what is being used, a phony claim of Russian interference with the US political system, the danger that nuclear war might be the outcome of this coup is real.

    We already have a ‘deep state’ dictatorship.

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  52. @Chris Bridges
    Phil,
    As you know, Brennan is an extreme liberal Democrat, a creature of both Clinton and Obama. He is an utterly unprincipled old fool. He failed as a CIA operations officer and went back to Langley with his tail between his legs to become analyst. Nothing wrong with that but he nursed bitter resentment at the Clandestine Service during his whole career. He was finally allowed to go out as chief in, of all places, Riyadh. He promptly destroyed the station with his incompetence, though he earned the praise of the ambassador, as such toadies usually do. Brennan is perfectly capable of the things you describe. Washington is awash in these kinds of traitors. If Trump does not have a plan to arrest them all some dark night then he is a fool himself.

    Do you think it’s true that he converted to Islam?

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    Islamophobes, at his level of evil and mischief-making, especially in the Islamic world, do not convert to Islam.

    It is a charade for reasons beyond me.

  53. @Philip Giraldi
    I don't think she was - I think she epitomized the establishment. I was merely explaining how Robert Parry was in turn interpreting what he has been hearing. If she was perceived as being too aggressive that might well have been seen as a problem.

    Thanks, Dr Giraldi. Well, it makes some sense I suppose – Parry’s interpretations, that is. It all seems driven by a blundering non-plan of sorts.

    The question still hangs in the air as to why remove Trump at all when he appears to be doing everything the establishment wants, granted in the strange style he’s known for.

    A well-planned scheme this does not have the makings of.

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    Hi Sam,

    The short answer is they WON'T.

    You are absolutely correct...as long as President Trump does their bidding.....and when they say "jump"....he says "how high"...they are happy as clams.

    If the President of the United States was Daffy Duck...or Elmer Fudd...they wouldn't care.....as long as his did "their " bidding.

    This is what matters....this is what counts.

    This is the power we witness at the very center of the most powerful nation on earth.

    Awesome power....No ?

    Can't deny it...Sam.

    Even if you tried.
  54. @iffen
    I need to understand your question.

    If there is a Deep State, Comey is part of it and Clinton would have been their candidate.

    Comey's two part drama was intended to neutralize the email question. Perhaps there was a miscalculation and he should have announced that there was no case after all, three days or four days before the election rather than two. The intent of the 2nd announcement was to pound home the message that, "We double checked and there is no case."

    Ok, I think I understand the premise; still, it sounds bloody odd to throw in something as unpredictable in its effect on polls as an FBI director’s intervention followed by a long period of silence during which much damage was done to Hilde.

    If the Dems knew Hilde’s precarious position why step into the risky path of an FBI investigation at all? An act of desperation to turn people around to her when exonerated? (Sorry I am just trying to make sense of the whole pantomime which really smacks of pretty fatheaded planning)

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    • Replies: @iffen
    The original email story was leaked, apparently from the House Committee in March 2015.

    The FBI was forced to investigate, they had no choice. In July 2016, Comey (in an unprecedented move) says, "We investigated and there is no case." That pronouncement did not take with much of the public and a 2nd, "There is no case" was issued.

    We don't know the source of the leak. As has been speculated, it must have been a Clinton supporter who wanted the story cleared early so as to be mostly forgotten by the election.

  55. I’m curious why this has been ignored:

    Undercover video shows Democrat operatives admitting they incited violence at Trump rallies
    https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/10/undercover-video-shows-democrat-operatives-admitting-they-incited-violence-at-trump-rallies

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Because it's bullshit.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " I'm curious why this has been ignored"

    Wow, you don't know by now that everything and anything which casts a negative light on the Democrats will be ignored and swept under the carpet.

    The scoundrels (media) who should be exposing these issues are Democrats themselves and they will never crap in their own beds.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, Airbormne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.
  56. @geokat62

    A soft coup engineered by the national security and intelligence agencies would be far more dangerous to our democracy than anything Donald Trump can do.
     
    For more dangerous to American democracy has been the ZOG engineered by the "Friends of Zion," but, unfortunately, there is little chance there will ever be a Zion-gate investigation.

    Hah! If there ever is a “Zion-gate investigation” it will be run by the Jews! (By the Jewish satellites of the Zionists!)

    Unless you buy his book, there’s no way of reading Atzmon, so the talks are it. In this one he answers questions about history revisionism (holocaust, Nakba etc.), Jewish controlled opposition, 911 and the truth movement, Breitbart’s duplicity, Ted being Jerusalemites, JVP, Mondoweiss & the Jewish solidarity spin, Jewish mothers …etc.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqpUGUqa0X4
    Gilad Atzmon Q & A, LA May 8th, 2017

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    [Hah! If there ever is a “Zion-gate investigation” it will be run by the Jews! ]

    We also keep the gates of heaven.

    Atzmon is mad. I think his mother has some explaining to do.

  57. It’s rather amusing how so many here accept the obvious fact that ‘the media’, ‘academia’, elements within government agencies, politicians, big publishing concerns, etc., etc. lie on a regular basis for their profitable self interests; but are hesitant to challenge the impossible notion of ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ which is as easy, if not more so, to debunk than the false news that is rampant.

    The claimed ‘proof of the ‘holocaust’ storyline is no more valid than the recent maneuvers of the so called ‘deep state’.

    In fact, the claimed & proven ‘truth’ of witchcraft is no different than the ‘holocaust’ mythology.

    Dare to examine the absurd & laughable ‘holocaust’ storyline rationally, logically, scientifically and it falls apart like the house-of-cards that it is.

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

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    Your government schooling and tin foil hat need adjusting! Mar 14, 2012 Holocaust Uncovered (1945) - WARNING: Distressing Images

    English MP Mrs. Mavis Tate shows proof of the holocaust with shots from her visit to a German concentratino camp. Taken from the original 1945 British Pathe newsreel "German Atrocities - Proof". This Pathe newsreel showed the world at the time what atrocities had been committed.

    https://youtu.be/-tGwjwK9pIM
  58. @alexander
    Dear Mr. Giraldi,

    Thanks for another fine article.

    Certainly writers like Robert Parry and Ray Mcgovern, as well as yourself, have earned the highest of marks from internet readers around the globe, anxious for some integrity of analysis , as they seek to understand our nation's policy decisions.

    As long as gentlemen like you, as well as others, keep writing , you will find your readership growing at an exponential rate.

    Having just noticed the latest by-line in Antiwar.com, I am forced to raise the question we should all be asking ourselves...

    "Was it Russia or was it........ Seth Rich ? "

    If there was indeed a "soft coup" in our country ,did it not occur at the DNC convention when our back room oligarchs decided to "putsch" Bernie Sanders out of the race, and gift the nomination to Hillary ?

    Was it not Bernie Sanders who was igniting the young progressive liberal base by the tens of millions ?

    Was it not Bernie who was gaining enormous momentum as the race for the nomination went on ?
    Was it not Bernie's "message" that began to ring true for so many voters across the country ?

    Was it not Bernie Sanders who may well have swept the DNC nomination, were it not for the "dirty pool" being played out in the back room ?.

    According to the retired homicide detective, hired by the family of Seth Rich to investigate their son's bizarre murder, it was Seth Rich who WAS in contact with Wikileaks.

    (For all those who don't know who Seth Rich was , he was the 27 year old "voter data director" at the DNC, shot to death on july 10, 2016, in the Bloomingdale neighborhood of Washington D.C.)

    In an interview three days after Seth Rich was found dead, Julian Assange intimated, too, that Seth Rich HAD contacted Wikileaks....NOT Russia.

    The homicide detective hired by the family , also pointed out, after doing some rudimentary
    due diligence, that word had come down through the DC mayor's office to stymie its own detectives in the murder investigation of Mr. Rich.

    Strange thing, especially when we are dealing with a homicide....No, Mr Giraldi ?

    If the Seth Rich murder was a "botched robbery" as is claimed, why won't the DC police release Seth's laptop computer to his family ?

    We are all aware there were "shenanigans" going on in the DNC that put the kibosh on the Bernie nomination.(we all know this)

    This makes sense too, given the fact that the DNC party bosses and their oligarchs, wanted Bernie running in the general election against the Donald...like they wanted a "hole in the head".

    What we "cannot" see .....is how decisive Bernie's margin of victory might have been,

    Nor can we see what "crimes" were committed to ensure Hillary's run at the W. H.

    It is not much of a stretch to assume Seth Rich had hard evidence, perhaps of multiple counts of treasonous fraud and other sorted felonies that would have brought down "the back room" of the DNC.

    Not good for the party..not good for its oligarchs....and not good for their Hillary anointment.

    "Russia-gate" may prove to be the most concerted effort, by the powers that be, to DEFLECT from an investigation into their OWN "real"criminality .

    How savvy and how clever they are to manipulate the public's perceptions, through Big Media, by grafting the allegations of the very crimes they may well have committed ....onto Russia, the Donald, and Vladimir Putin.

    Clever, clever, clever.

    Can any of us imagine, how cold a day in hell it will be before Rachel Maddow(or any MSM "journalist") asks some basic questions about the Seth Rich laptop .......or what was on it ?

    Sub zero.

    Seth Rich will not be connected to Hillary Clinton. She will escape with minor cuts and bruises. The perpetrator(s) have plausible deniability and compartmentalization. “I did not put a hit out on that man”.

    Unless, there are emails or other ELINT lurking in NSA or similar archives?

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    No doubt !
    , @MarkinLA
    There are probably enough psychopaths working for Hillary that she doesn't need to hire anybody. The damage was done with the leaking, any connection to her would mean prison let alone losing the election. There are always enough nuts that can be riled up enough to go out and do something stupid. You just have to work them right.

    This reminds me of when Tom Hayden (according to David Horowitz) was doing his radical leftist garbage and wanted to get somebody in the Black Panthers to use violence at some event. The Black Panther leader said "Yeah Tom, get a nigger to pull the trigger".
  59. @alexander
    Dear Mr. Giraldi,

    Thanks for another fine article.

    Certainly writers like Robert Parry and Ray Mcgovern, as well as yourself, have earned the highest of marks from internet readers around the globe, anxious for some integrity of analysis , as they seek to understand our nation's policy decisions.

    As long as gentlemen like you, as well as others, keep writing , you will find your readership growing at an exponential rate.

    Having just noticed the latest by-line in Antiwar.com, I am forced to raise the question we should all be asking ourselves...

    "Was it Russia or was it........ Seth Rich ? "

    If there was indeed a "soft coup" in our country ,did it not occur at the DNC convention when our back room oligarchs decided to "putsch" Bernie Sanders out of the race, and gift the nomination to Hillary ?

    Was it not Bernie Sanders who was igniting the young progressive liberal base by the tens of millions ?

    Was it not Bernie who was gaining enormous momentum as the race for the nomination went on ?
    Was it not Bernie's "message" that began to ring true for so many voters across the country ?

    Was it not Bernie Sanders who may well have swept the DNC nomination, were it not for the "dirty pool" being played out in the back room ?.

    According to the retired homicide detective, hired by the family of Seth Rich to investigate their son's bizarre murder, it was Seth Rich who WAS in contact with Wikileaks.

    (For all those who don't know who Seth Rich was , he was the 27 year old "voter data director" at the DNC, shot to death on july 10, 2016, in the Bloomingdale neighborhood of Washington D.C.)

    In an interview three days after Seth Rich was found dead, Julian Assange intimated, too, that Seth Rich HAD contacted Wikileaks....NOT Russia.

    The homicide detective hired by the family , also pointed out, after doing some rudimentary
    due diligence, that word had come down through the DC mayor's office to stymie its own detectives in the murder investigation of Mr. Rich.

    Strange thing, especially when we are dealing with a homicide....No, Mr Giraldi ?

    If the Seth Rich murder was a "botched robbery" as is claimed, why won't the DC police release Seth's laptop computer to his family ?

    We are all aware there were "shenanigans" going on in the DNC that put the kibosh on the Bernie nomination.(we all know this)

    This makes sense too, given the fact that the DNC party bosses and their oligarchs, wanted Bernie running in the general election against the Donald...like they wanted a "hole in the head".

    What we "cannot" see .....is how decisive Bernie's margin of victory might have been,

    Nor can we see what "crimes" were committed to ensure Hillary's run at the W. H.

    It is not much of a stretch to assume Seth Rich had hard evidence, perhaps of multiple counts of treasonous fraud and other sorted felonies that would have brought down "the back room" of the DNC.

    Not good for the party..not good for its oligarchs....and not good for their Hillary anointment.

    "Russia-gate" may prove to be the most concerted effort, by the powers that be, to DEFLECT from an investigation into their OWN "real"criminality .

    How savvy and how clever they are to manipulate the public's perceptions, through Big Media, by grafting the allegations of the very crimes they may well have committed ....onto Russia, the Donald, and Vladimir Putin.

    Clever, clever, clever.

    Can any of us imagine, how cold a day in hell it will be before Rachel Maddow(or any MSM "journalist") asks some basic questions about the Seth Rich laptop .......or what was on it ?

    Sub zero.

    “Was it not” Bernie who was a sheepdog, herding the controlled opposition?

    “Was it not” Bernie who echoed Hilligula’s call for a No Fly Zone in Syria?

    “Was it not” Bernie who tweeted on 10 May 2017 “What is Trump afraid of? Why did he want to stop Comey’s investigation? We need an independently appointed special counsel to tell us that.”

    Don’t peddle myths about that old fraud and sellout. [And if had been the candidate, he may have had neither "margin" nor victory if Bloomberg entered race.]

    Come what may, lots of us are glad that Trump won.

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    Of course we are.

    But Bernie opened up a discourse that the ruling class did not want to listen to, let alone have to confront or engage.

    He may have been a sell out, but much of his platform was co-opted by Trump in the general election...and Hillary was left totally flat footed....it was hard for her to pretend to be "Bernie" in the general...when the very party bosses who deep-sixed him, endorsed her to the hilt.

    Right , Robin ?

    And BTW, nobody is arguing that Americans were faced with a plethora of outstanding candidates this election season.......Are we ?

    From my perspective, all we witnessed was a grand parade of finger puppets on the invisible hands of our oligarchs....and with the exception of the Donald...not much more.

    Not much more .....at all.
    , @exiled off mainstreet
    I agree fully with RobinG's take on Bernie: with his support of the Russian conspiracy theory he has gone over to the dark side. He jumped the shark ages ago. With Seth Rich now the proven source of the leak those continuing to parrot the deep state theory are not only nihilists and traitors to civilization but open traitors period.
  60. @Dan Hayes
    Brennan is a particularly unsavory character.

    There has been some baying-at-the-moon speculation that he is a Moslem convert!

    I agree about his character. But I would be more worried if he is Jewish convert….

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    @Wally
    I'm curious why this has been ignored:

    Undercover video shows Democrat operatives admitting they incited violence at Trump rallies
    https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/10/undercover-video-shows-democrat-operatives-admitting-they-incited-violence-at-trump-rallies

    Because it’s bullshit.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    So there was no violence at Trump rallies?
    So the man who admitted to paying for the violence is fantasizing like your 'holocaust' survivors?

    He did work for the DNC.

    I have you, again.

    You're projecting,
  62. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “The rationale Trump haters have fabricated is simple: the president and his team colluded with the Russians to rig the 2016 election in his favor, which, if true”

    No one has come out with a possible scenario of how Trump could have persuaded , helped ,goaded Russia to interfering in election.

    Did he get somebody to unearth Clinton’s E mails, then give it to Russia with the condition that Russia leaks the information to Wiki Leaks.?

    Did he get the not -internet- connected Ballot sabotaged by Russian hackers?
    Did he ask Russia to phone Comey with urgent instructions of unloading the information and ask him to update the status on the investigation?

    Is there some other possibilities that are in the unknown of the unknown

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  63. @Sam Shama
    Thanks, Dr Giraldi. Well, it makes some sense I suppose - Parry's interpretations, that is. It all seems driven by a blundering non-plan of sorts.

    The question still hangs in the air as to why remove Trump at all when he appears to be doing everything the establishment wants, granted in the strange style he's known for.

    A well-planned scheme this does not have the makings of.

    Hi Sam,

    The short answer is they WON’T.

    You are absolutely correct…as long as President Trump does their bidding…..and when they say “jump”….he says “how high”…they are happy as clams.

    If the President of the United States was Daffy Duck…or Elmer Fudd…they wouldn’t care…..as long as his did “their ” bidding.

    This is what matters….this is what counts.

    This is the power we witness at the very center of the most powerful nation on earth.

    Awesome power….No ?

    Can’t deny it…Sam.

    Even if you tried.

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  64. @Sam Shama
    Ok, I think I understand the premise; still, it sounds bloody odd to throw in something as unpredictable in its effect on polls as an FBI director's intervention followed by a long period of silence during which much damage was done to Hilde.

    If the Dems knew Hilde's precarious position why step into the risky path of an FBI investigation at all? An act of desperation to turn people around to her when exonerated? (Sorry I am just trying to make sense of the whole pantomime which really smacks of pretty fatheaded planning)

    The original email story was leaked, apparently from the House Committee in March 2015.

    The FBI was forced to investigate, they had no choice. In July 2016, Comey (in an unprecedented move) says, “We investigated and there is no case.” That pronouncement did not take with much of the public and a 2nd, “There is no case” was issued.

    We don’t know the source of the leak. As has been speculated, it must have been a Clinton supporter who wanted the story cleared early so as to be mostly forgotten by the election.

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    • Replies: @LondonBob
    Comedy impeded the Clinton investigation and had to announce something to quieten internal FBI critics. I don't think Clinton was seen as any sort of threat.
  65. @Wally
    It's rather amusing how so many here accept the obvious fact that 'the media', 'academia', elements within government agencies, politicians, big publishing concerns, etc., etc. lie on a regular basis for their profitable self interests; but are hesitant to challenge the impossible notion of '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' which is as easy, if not more so, to debunk than the false news that is rampant.

    The claimed 'proof of the 'holocaust' storyline is no more valid than the recent maneuvers of the so called 'deep state'.

    In fact, the claimed & proven 'truth' of witchcraft is no different than the 'holocaust' mythology.

    Dare to examine the absurd & laughable 'holocaust' storyline rationally, logically, scientifically and it falls apart like the house-of-cards that it is.

    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Your government schooling and tin foil hat need adjusting! Mar 14, 2012 Holocaust Uncovered (1945) – WARNING: Distressing Images

    English MP Mrs. Mavis Tate shows proof of the holocaust with shots from her visit to a German concentratino camp. Taken from the original 1945 British Pathe newsreel “German Atrocities – Proof”. This Pathe newsreel showed the world at the time what atrocities had been committed.

    https://youtu.be/-tGwjwK9pIM

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    • Replies: @Sowhat
    Certainly nothing is at it seems, especially when the intent is to form public opinion and the originator intends to deceive. After real the book, Public Opinion, one could throw their hands up in confusion. The fomentors of public opinion are a very devious crew, indeed.
    , @Wally
    Laughable. What, you just fell off the turnip truck?

    Typhus victims is what this women 'witnessed' at Buchenwald, land of the bogus human skin lampshades, shrunken heads, soap made from Jews ... all thoroughly debunked.

    The embarrassing high school-like drama of Nazi human skin lampshades & shrunken heads stagecraft is absolutely exposed here for the fraud that it is.
    Buchenwald—A Dumb Dumb Portrayal Of Evil
    http://codoh.com/library/document/1529/
    more here:
    Nazi Shrunken Heads
    A 24-minute free video about lies which justify war
    http://codoh.com/library/document/1528/
    and:
    Buchenwald: Legend and Reality
    http://codoh.com/library/document/180/?lang=en
    and:
    The Liberation of the Camps: Facts vs. Lies
    http://codoh.com/library/document/865/?lang=en
  66. @KenH
    Trump was right in firing Comey. An open ended investigation that hasn't yielded a scintilla of evidence of collusion with Russia after one year is not acceptable. Such an investigation would not have been tolerated if the target was a Marxist mulatto by the name of Barack Hussein Obama. Blacks would have rioted in response while the media cheered them on.

    If there's a Constitutional crisis then it's that the deep state apparatus in the form of the various alphabet soup intelligence agencies have the power to plot a coup against a duly elected president. They need to be stripped of much of their power and reformed but it's probably already too late for that.

    I thought since Trump went from advocating a humble, non-interventionist foreign policy to loud and proud neo-conservative (in less than 100 days) that that would buy him protection from deep state machinations and endear him to the corrupt Washington, D.C. establishment. For a time he was even making "never Trumper" little (((William Kristol))) coo with delight which is no small feat. Moreover, he's a lickspittle of Israel which seems a prerequisite for a presidential candidate.

    The only thing I can think of is that even though Trump's picking up where Dubya and Obama left off on foreign policy, the deep state knows that Trump can be totally unpredictable and change on a dime. So he could go off the establishment reservation at a moment's notice which makes them apoplectic. Hence, their attempts to get him out of the way and install someone more pliant and predictable like Tom Pence.

    “Murdered DNC Staffer Seth Rich Shared 44,053 Democrat Emails With WikiLeaks: Report”
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-16/murdered-dnc-staffer-seth-rich-shared-44000-emails-wikileaks
    “My investigation up to this point shows there was some degree of email exchange between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks,” Wheeler told Fox News. “I do believe that the answers to who murdered Seth Rich sits on his computer on a shelf at the DC police or FBI headquarters. My investigation shows someone within the D.C. government, Democratic National Committee or Clinton team is blocking the murder investigation from going forward,” Wheeler told Fox News. “That is unfortunate. Seth Rich’s murder is unsolved as a result of that.”

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    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
    Hi annamaria

    You've touched the forbidden fruit no one seem dare talk about, or in the words of WikLeaks associate and former British Foreign Service Officer Craig Murray:

    “I know who leaked them. I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things”

    Relevant to this, is where I disagree with Phil on Parry; regardless of what one might think of Assange, Murray's word should be the gold standard, he is a dissident former UK ambassador who left the service because he couldn't stomach the double-dealings of the western democracies, e.g. too cozy with the dirt concerning certain filthy autocrats, as a principled stance. I don't believe for a moment Parry (or McGovern) is unaware of Murray but here is Parry, in the 13 May article Phil mentions, leaving the door open to false narrative that should have been foreclosed:

    "There’s not even any public evidence from U.S. government agencies that Russia did “meddle” in the 2016 election or – even if Russia did slip Democratic emails to WikiLeaks (which WikiLeaks denies) – there has been zero evidence that the scheme resulted from collusion with Trump’s campaign"

    So, why is the Seth Rich story, or the fact Craig Murray (without naming names) has flat-out stated he had met with the DNC source of the leaked mails, treated as radioactive? My sense has been, for quite some time, Parry attacks false narrative with alternative false narrative and the present controversy does nothing to change my view. Meanwhile, this 2 minute clip of a Dutch tv interview with Assange is quite interesting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp7FkLBRpKg

    There is stronger evidence Seth Rich was assassinated for leaking the DNC mails than anything (nothing, actually) provided by American intelligence for a Russian hack. What has the Russia drama served? Clearly, it has detracted from the CONTENT of those mails. That had to have been a consideration when Brennan's CIA initiated the false-flag 'Russia hack' stories via its favorite presstitutes (to use a Paul Craig Roberts expression.) If Parry was competent (or practicing real journalism), he would cover this aspect. Like most, he won't touch it.
  67. @RobinG
    Hah! If there ever is a "Zion-gate investigation" it will be run by the Jews! (By the Jewish satellites of the Zionists!)

    Unless you buy his book, there's no way of reading Atzmon, so the talks are it. In this one he answers questions about history revisionism (holocaust, Nakba etc.), Jewish controlled opposition, 911 and the truth movement, Breitbart's duplicity, Ted being Jerusalemites, JVP, Mondoweiss & the Jewish solidarity spin, Jewish mothers ...etc.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqpUGUqa0X4
    Gilad Atzmon Q & A, LA May 8th, 2017

    [Hah! If there ever is a “Zion-gate investigation” it will be run by the Jews! ]

    We also keep the gates of heaven.

    Atzmon is mad. I think his mother has some explaining to do.

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    We also keep the gates of heaven.
     
    Indeed.

    Reading Angelology -- Danielle Trussoni was very clever to use nephtalim as characters to describe zionists.

    One compelling scene: the fallen angels murder a convent full of nuns. The main character, Sister Evangeline, confronts one of the perps and recoils, chilled at the beauty of their physical attributes but the emptiness of their eyes; "They have no soul," she reflects. They are capable of killing in a most bestial way with no thought of the profundity of death and of their deed.

    Shama captured soullessness in detail, here http://www.unz.com/akarlin/rapewhistling-for-hitler/#comment-1874040

    From Sam's perspective, the Germans have "everything any modern state can aspire to . . . Germany like the U.S. has picked the path of a capitalistic-commercial state," lacking only a soul.

    In an aptly titled dissertation, Cora Sol Goldstein explains how the German soul was captured and plucked from the German body-politic: "Capturing the German Eye" relates how (mostly CIA/primarily Jewish) operatives within the US military occupation force, which "maintained a monopoly on violence," functioned to eradicate any sense of German-ness and replace it, by admittedly grossly undemocratic force, with "admiration for American ideals of democracy and . . . consumerism," to the extent of either removing or destroying native German art and replacing it with "modern" art.

    , @L.K
    Atzmon is not mad at all... but he makes Zionist shills and liars, such as yourself, very mad!
  68. As a rule, incompetence and stupidity are sufficent to explain a situation that is FUBAR. It is a mistake to regard the FBI’s investigation, and reinvestigation, of the Clinton e mail dereliction as an investigation. To anybody who is familiar with what a high profile criminal investigation conducted by the FBI is supposed to look like, the Clinton investigation is not it. The FBI brought to bear virtually none of the procedures and techniques it would have used in a case involving a Chicago City Alderman. The Clinton investigation did not even amount to a poor counterfeit. Comey bears complete responsibility for not drawing a line under the fiasco early on. If he had, his tenure would have ended with a respectable bang; as it is, despite the ridiculous and self-contradictory bellowing from variously aggrieved, it actually ended with a pathetic whimper. Nobody but nobody will have the slightest difficulty getting over the departure of Jim Comey.

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    • Replies: @Eagle Eye

    Comey bears complete responsibility for not drawing a line under the fiasco early on.
     
    Comey's main job was to give Hillary and Barry "protection."

    Quite likely Comey's acts and omissions make him an accomplice with Hillary herself in the murder of Seth Rich.
  69. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Alden
    Do you think it's true that he converted to Islam?

    Islamophobes, at his level of evil and mischief-making, especially in the Islamic world, do not convert to Islam.

    It is a charade for reasons beyond me.

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  70. Hi PG, you’re right about the deep state out to get Trump. But why? Our “great white hope is a sell out” from the outset when he entered the race for POTUS. It was all a salesman talk to sell us a lemon. He’s doing exactly what the warmongers Ziocons want. Look where he’s heading now, to pay homage to our most valued customers (financiers of death and destruction), the Saudis and their fellow clowns in the Arabian peninsular. Then, as all slaves do, has to report to the master, Israel and its head pimp, Netawarcriminal. The only crime Trump committed was not hiring the old Ziocons. But why need them? He has Jared……

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  71. Two facts: One HAS to catch a hacker “In the act”. Otherwise it is impossible to determine the real
    origin. I use VPN software and chose the country from which I want to access the Internet. Not all websites allow access; however, and most assuredly, the intelligence community, knows this. The Russian collusion MI diet is aimed towards the ignorant which includes many in Congress that wish ill will on Trump. I can choose England, Germany, Russia, some obscure US ISP, Italy, Romania, France, The Netherlands… Many choices. They are out to get Trump. This is why he has such disdain for the Main Sewerage Media. They are drilling this story home in every home in the U. S. and elsewhere. They belong in a cript. He’s not smooth but he is not an idiot.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    "There is no one in Washington who can help Trump. Those who could help him, such as myself, cannot be confirmed by the US Senate, which is owned lock, stock, and barrel by the military/security complex, Wall Street, and the Israel Lobby."
    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/05/18/the-assault-on-trump/
  72. @robt
    Jimmy Carter?

    Well done.misadventures in the desert.

    Heres another

    A missionary was having a christmas lunch with a few locals in deepest darkest africa.having spent the year teaching english to them he asked the headman……
    “What comes after… “T”

    The headman answered …”U”

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  73. @new handle
    Seth Rich will not be connected to Hillary Clinton. She will escape with minor cuts and bruises. The perpetrator(s) have plausible deniability and compartmentalization. "I did not put a hit out on that man".

    Unless, there are emails or other ELINT lurking in NSA or similar archives?

    No doubt !

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  74. @Agent76
    Your government schooling and tin foil hat need adjusting! Mar 14, 2012 Holocaust Uncovered (1945) - WARNING: Distressing Images

    English MP Mrs. Mavis Tate shows proof of the holocaust with shots from her visit to a German concentratino camp. Taken from the original 1945 British Pathe newsreel "German Atrocities - Proof". This Pathe newsreel showed the world at the time what atrocities had been committed.

    https://youtu.be/-tGwjwK9pIM

    Certainly nothing is at it seems, especially when the intent is to form public opinion and the originator intends to deceive. After real the book, Public Opinion, one could throw their hands up in confusion. The fomentors of public opinion are a very devious crew, indeed.

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  75. @Sam Shama
    [Hah! If there ever is a “Zion-gate investigation” it will be run by the Jews! ]

    We also keep the gates of heaven.

    Atzmon is mad. I think his mother has some explaining to do.

    We also keep the gates of heaven.

    Indeed.

    Reading Angelology — Danielle Trussoni was very clever to use nephtalim as characters to describe zionists.

    One compelling scene: the fallen angels murder a convent full of nuns. The main character, Sister Evangeline, confronts one of the perps and recoils, chilled at the beauty of their physical attributes but the emptiness of their eyes; “They have no soul,” she reflects. They are capable of killing in a most bestial way with no thought of the profundity of death and of their deed.

    Shama captured soullessness in detail, here http://www.unz.com/akarlin/rapewhistling-for-hitler/#comment-1874040

    From Sam’s perspective, the Germans have “everything any modern state can aspire to . . . Germany like the U.S. has picked the path of a capitalistic-commercial state,” lacking only a soul.

    In an aptly titled dissertation, Cora Sol Goldstein explains how the German soul was captured and plucked from the German body-politic: “Capturing the German Eye” relates how (mostly CIA/primarily Jewish) operatives within the US military occupation force, which “maintained a monopoly on violence,” functioned to eradicate any sense of German-ness and replace it, by admittedly grossly undemocratic force, with “admiration for American ideals of democracy and . . . consumerism,” to the extent of either removing or destroying native German art and replacing it with “modern” art.

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Dear Sister Evangeline so beatific and pure, recoils at the descendants of Naphtali, son of Jacob, eh? Tell me, did the soulful sister feel an arousal, tickled in parts perhaps, looking at the beautiful nephtalim? Nuns are often that way you know.

    I jest of course. It's all fiction anyway, and we know better, don't we?

    Speaking of German culture, any culture for that matter, it seems normal to expect change over time. Germany is still the Germany of Goethe, Beethoven, Mozart, and Leibniz. None of that has changed. But it's also the Germany of so much more, ideas and proposals relevant to the march of time. Perhaps you nostalge over Germania or the one of Alaric the Goth? [Note: Derbyshire coined 'nostalge']

    Nothing wrong with consumerism, it being the natural state of affairs ever since the apple was bitten. And the condition which keeps the human mind from straying to worse alternatives.

    Like Germania, for example. On balance I am confident your median European doesn't miss the Prussian, feels quite relieved living with a Germany restricted to selling their manufacture instead of applying them on the rest of the continent.

    Modern Art or traditional art? Would you include Adolf's masterpieces in the latter category? I hear they fetch a few pfennigs from the truly discerning collector.
  76. @RobinG
    "Was it not" Bernie who was a sheepdog, herding the controlled opposition?

    "Was it not" Bernie who echoed Hilligula's call for a No Fly Zone in Syria?

    "Was it not" Bernie who tweeted on 10 May 2017 "What is Trump afraid of? Why did he want to stop Comey's investigation? We need an independently appointed special counsel to tell us that."

    Don't peddle myths about that old fraud and sellout. [And if had been the candidate, he may have had neither "margin" nor victory if Bloomberg entered race.]

    Come what may, lots of us are glad that Trump won.

    Of course we are.

    But Bernie opened up a discourse that the ruling class did not want to listen to, let alone have to confront or engage.

    He may have been a sell out, but much of his platform was co-opted by Trump in the general election…and Hillary was left totally flat footed….it was hard for her to pretend to be “Bernie” in the general…when the very party bosses who deep-sixed him, endorsed her to the hilt.

    Right , Robin ?

    And BTW, nobody is arguing that Americans were faced with a plethora of outstanding candidates this election season…….Are we ?

    From my perspective, all we witnessed was a grand parade of finger puppets on the invisible hands of our oligarchs….and with the exception of the Donald…not much more.

    Not much more …..at all.

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  77. @edNels

    [... now trumps being overthrown. They will see we dont live in a democracy we live in the matrix democracy is diversionary tactic to prevent us from...]
     
    That's about it alright.

    [...every power node in the world are signalling they will do whatever they can to help. Its really a good thing they are not fooling anyone...]
     
    that's true. Now do they care if anybody knows what they're up to? Or, worse, is it intentional to make a mockery out of democracy as it was understood for a long time, to pave the way to a new Totalitarianism, by undermining expectations and increasing malaise and defeatism?

    As, they don't need no more obsolete, stinkin' ''censent of the governed'' now that they got almost complete control of the virtual facts production propagation and damned near all the talking heads on the planet lying their asses off with official talking points Whole cloth bs stories.

    I thinks its a stupid overreach by them, in fact just more of the past eight years overreach that got them trump. They sense they are close to total victory and are losing patience.It may cost them the game.
    You are correct one psyops tactic states or any oppressor may use is to flaunt their power,certainly in aspects of government they have alway done this to some extent and that has ratchet up over the years. The anarcho tyranny of the police /criminal/citizen is a good example. When was the last time you hears the phrase “its a free country”? decades but I used to hear it daily up to the early eighties.
    But they have always been careful to isolate “muh democracy” from the high handedness. Certainly it hasnt been democracy in decades perhaps never was. But the great thing about using the pretense of democracy to cover you thuggery is theirs no ones head to chop off. with a monarch dictator etc if things get bad enough you know what the answer is. In a “democracy” theres no one to kill. First theres the eternal hope of better luck next election. But its really way beyond that people get that its not just the politicians of both parties its the media, its wall street, its the academics, its the NGOs and soros types,etc etc This diffusion of power by an amorphorous elite some elected some not but all with vested interests gives the average “voter” cum mob a fatalist acceptance- “its just the way it is” is what he thinks-”you cant change things” This is because he realizes he cant pinpoint who is to blame.
    But once they expose their hands and make clear there is no democracy you can vote for a howard beale candidate but we will simply make some shit up and depose him, then it becomes clear exactly who is to blame, We are to blame we allowed this to happen and we begin to identify more clearly who “they” is Soros, The Spooks,media,one begins to realize they can all be killed there really are not that many of them, and if I dont do it now that I know then I have to accept the blame myself. I dont think they want this to happen, I think we are realizing they are a lot stupider than we imagined they actually think niggers are interchangeable with whites, that they will be allowed to continue to rule over a world overun with niggers incited to hatred by them, and they think we actually believe this russia crap and dont see clearly things like this deep state coup, the racial marxist global corporatist alliance, the population replacement etc They have to rely on new recruits who begin as true believers and over the decades the IQ drops dramatically the only smart ones are true sociopaths like the clintons

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  78. All smokescreen and bulldust.the truth will come out when we are told.since when do leaders share info with those downstream.
    However the speculation is entertaining in its own right.
    That and the nicknames.
    Ron unz.why not start a database of the nicknames.
    Write a program to attempt to guess the real first name of the person and see if there is any correlation between fantasy and reality
    Then construct a model world based on this info and see what political system would emerge.

    More important.what is the difference between say …david bowie and ziggy stardust.

    And are these forums on the internet the theatre of the absurd.

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  79. @Philip Giraldi
    I don't think she was - I think she epitomized the establishment. I was merely explaining how Robert Parry was in turn interpreting what he has been hearing. If she was perceived as being too aggressive that might well have been seen as a problem.

    It is all about the server. Those intelligence spymasters (Comey, Brennen, and Clapper) knew that Hillary was vulnerable because at some time they knew about her email server. Hillary was weak because she was guilty as hell for years, and they knew it. They feared the revelation – - when it happened they helped her.

    There was a virtual coup on the Friday that Bill collared and compromised Lynch (taking her off the hot seat), then on Saturday Comey had the sham FBI interview of Hillary, and then on Tuesday morning, Comey declared Hillary innocent. That afternoon Obama and Hillary flew off to campaign Valhalla with the media all in a flutter, on the road to election victory. That was a virtual deep state government coup to make Hillary electable.

    Comey revealed the Weiner emails because he had too. Someone was going to leak them if he did not announce them. Like magic they were all reviewed and ok’ed before the election. How sweet. Only the American people did not buy it.

    So now the Trump coup goes on – only with vastly more players – all the media, all the Democrats, the top-level Republicans, and most all the government works. Ninety percent of establishment American wants a Trump downfall. Only the military and the cops are with Trump. It is 50-50 – “will Trump make it all four years.”

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Trump will be there for eight years if his health holds up. What he does with that time and power is another matter.
  80. Trump as a matter of survival, needs to take the offensive or face an inevitable political death by a thousand cuts/leaks.

    Initiate investigations on Obama’s surveillance, Hillarys Server, Seth Rich, Etc. Making nice with the establishment will get him nowhere and will only further alianate his base.

    Take the gloves off and fight back.

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    • Agree: utu, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    " Needs to take the offensive or face an inevitable political death"

    Precisely, however I am thinking that that even DT is terrified of the "inevitable" chanting of :

    RACISM RACISM RACISM RACISM RACISM RACISM RACISM RACISM

    if he does indeed go on the offensive, the amazing aspect is that these bastards can turn anything into to an expression of "racism", and the only effective approach is to turn it around and to start labeling them, which is the truth anyway, of being racist.

    He should hold mass rallies with a huge video screen in back of him with the repeated sequel of HRC laughing like a lunatic after the Gadaffi execution and descending into abject lunacy.

    Look this is an actual war, and they will will most definitely win if he is reluctant to hit them hard and relentless, until they are vanquished, and the cowardly Republicans who would rather lose than jeopardize their gravy train, will most likely decide the sad outcome.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

  81. Of course they’re out to get him. The question is what they will replace him with. When Deepstate took down Nixon, they planned the attack carefully. They took down Agnew first and replaced him with Deepstate loyalist Jerry Ford. After that first move, they could be confident that pulling Nixon down would immediately restore Deepstate.

    The same people are running the attack this time. (The older ones, including Hillary, are EXACTLY THE SAME INDIVIDUALS, not just the same type.) But they haven’t done the same sequence. They haven’t taken any action against Pence. Thus we know that Pence is already Ford, already the pre-staged Deepstate restorer.

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    • Replies: @utu
    They do not need G. For this time. They already have Mike Pence. He will do. The only reason he is there. He will the front man of the place coup.
    , @Whoriskey
    Forgive my ignorance - but please elaborate on Jerry Ford's deep statedness. In what important way way did he differ from Nixon and Agnew?
  82. @polistra
    Of course they're out to get him. The question is what they will replace him with. When Deepstate took down Nixon, they planned the attack carefully. They took down Agnew first and replaced him with Deepstate loyalist Jerry Ford. After that first move, they could be confident that pulling Nixon down would immediately restore Deepstate.

    The same people are running the attack this time. (The older ones, including Hillary, are EXACTLY THE SAME INDIVIDUALS, not just the same type.) But they haven't done the same sequence. They haven't taken any action against Pence. Thus we know that Pence is already Ford, already the pre-staged Deepstate restorer.

    They do not need G. For this time. They already have Mike Pence. He will do. The only reason he is there. He will the front man of the place coup.

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  83. @Anon
    Because it's bullshit.

    So there was no violence at Trump rallies?
    So the man who admitted to paying for the violence is fantasizing like your ‘holocaust’ survivors?

    He did work for the DNC.

    I have you, again.

    You’re projecting,

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    • Replies: @Anon
    What's your proof outside of websites within your echo chamber?

    It's bullshit, whether you admit it or not.

    And your guy is going down.
  84. @Agent76
    Your government schooling and tin foil hat need adjusting! Mar 14, 2012 Holocaust Uncovered (1945) - WARNING: Distressing Images

    English MP Mrs. Mavis Tate shows proof of the holocaust with shots from her visit to a German concentratino camp. Taken from the original 1945 British Pathe newsreel "German Atrocities - Proof". This Pathe newsreel showed the world at the time what atrocities had been committed.

    https://youtu.be/-tGwjwK9pIM

    Laughable. What, you just fell off the turnip truck?

    Typhus victims is what this women ‘witnessed’ at Buchenwald, land of the bogus human skin lampshades, shrunken heads, soap made from Jews … all thoroughly debunked.

    The embarrassing high school-like drama of Nazi human skin lampshades & shrunken heads stagecraft is absolutely exposed here for the fraud that it is.
    Buchenwald—A Dumb Dumb Portrayal Of Evil
    http://codoh.com/library/document/1529/
    more here:
    Nazi Shrunken Heads
    A 24-minute free video about lies which justify war
    http://codoh.com/library/document/1528/
    and:
    Buchenwald: Legend and Reality
    http://codoh.com/library/document/180/?lang=en
    and:
    The Liberation of the Camps: Facts vs. Lies
    http://codoh.com/library/document/865/?lang=en

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  85. @new handle
    Seth Rich will not be connected to Hillary Clinton. She will escape with minor cuts and bruises. The perpetrator(s) have plausible deniability and compartmentalization. "I did not put a hit out on that man".

    Unless, there are emails or other ELINT lurking in NSA or similar archives?

    There are probably enough psychopaths working for Hillary that she doesn’t need to hire anybody. The damage was done with the leaking, any connection to her would mean prison let alone losing the election. There are always enough nuts that can be riled up enough to go out and do something stupid. You just have to work them right.

    This reminds me of when Tom Hayden (according to David Horowitz) was doing his radical leftist garbage and wanted to get somebody in the Black Panthers to use violence at some event. The Black Panther leader said “Yeah Tom, get a nigger to pull the trigger”.

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  86. @SolontoCroesus

    We also keep the gates of heaven.
     
    Indeed.

    Reading Angelology -- Danielle Trussoni was very clever to use nephtalim as characters to describe zionists.

    One compelling scene: the fallen angels murder a convent full of nuns. The main character, Sister Evangeline, confronts one of the perps and recoils, chilled at the beauty of their physical attributes but the emptiness of their eyes; "They have no soul," she reflects. They are capable of killing in a most bestial way with no thought of the profundity of death and of their deed.

    Shama captured soullessness in detail, here http://www.unz.com/akarlin/rapewhistling-for-hitler/#comment-1874040

    From Sam's perspective, the Germans have "everything any modern state can aspire to . . . Germany like the U.S. has picked the path of a capitalistic-commercial state," lacking only a soul.

    In an aptly titled dissertation, Cora Sol Goldstein explains how the German soul was captured and plucked from the German body-politic: "Capturing the German Eye" relates how (mostly CIA/primarily Jewish) operatives within the US military occupation force, which "maintained a monopoly on violence," functioned to eradicate any sense of German-ness and replace it, by admittedly grossly undemocratic force, with "admiration for American ideals of democracy and . . . consumerism," to the extent of either removing or destroying native German art and replacing it with "modern" art.

    Dear Sister Evangeline so beatific and pure, recoils at the descendants of Naphtali, son of Jacob, eh? Tell me, did the soulful sister feel an arousal, tickled in parts perhaps, looking at the beautiful nephtalim? Nuns are often that way you know.

    I jest of course. It’s all fiction anyway, and we know better, don’t we?

    Speaking of German culture, any culture for that matter, it seems normal to expect change over time. Germany is still the Germany of Goethe, Beethoven, Mozart, and Leibniz. None of that has changed. But it’s also the Germany of so much more, ideas and proposals relevant to the march of time. Perhaps you nostalge over Germania or the one of Alaric the Goth? [Note: Derbyshire coined 'nostalge']

    Nothing wrong with consumerism, it being the natural state of affairs ever since the apple was bitten. And the condition which keeps the human mind from straying to worse alternatives.

    Like Germania, for example. On balance I am confident your median European doesn’t miss the Prussian, feels quite relieved living with a Germany restricted to selling their manufacture instead of applying them on the rest of the continent.

    Modern Art or traditional art? Would you include Adolf’s masterpieces in the latter category? I hear they fetch a few pfennigs from the truly discerning collector.

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    • Replies: @mcohen
    Sam

    Nice when you hit hard and far.jawool!
    , @SolontoCroesus

    Nothing wrong with consumerism, it being the natural state of affairs ever since the apple was bitten. And the condition which keeps the human mind from straying to worse alternatives.
     
    If consumerism is so omnipresent, why did the German people have to be subjected to psychological warfare tactics to embrace it?

    As I recall the tale you allude to, the main characters lived in a state of harmony with nature, their needs supplied sufficiently by nature. The serpent induced them to seek to exceed the sufficiency of 'nature's god.' Does your interpretation mean you are on the side of the serpent?

    Like Germania, for example. On balance I am confident your median European doesn’t miss the Prussian, feels quite relieved living with a Germany restricted to selling their manufacture instead of applying them on the rest of the continent.
     
    Morgenthau 2.01.
    The threat of Prussian militarism was and remains a figment of British as well as Jewish hyperventilation. In the first half of 1933 James Waterman Wise published a broadside, labeling the swastika a "symbol of hatred of Jews," five years before any German Jew had been harmed by NSDAP, and at a time when Germany's neighbors had a military advantage of at least 12:1.
    Cycle back to that serpent, the father of lies.

    Modern Art or traditional art? Would you include Adolf’s masterpieces in the latter category? I hear they fetch a few pfennigs from the truly discerning collector.
     
    It seems to me the people of a nation should be the ones to decide on the art that expresses their identity.
    From the late 1930s Erich Mendelsohn lectured on the necessity to destroy a people's native legacy to embrace, in its stead, his artistic vision --

    But in order to reeducate the people at large, beautiful per se, to that beautiful end, to rebuild their towns and dwellings—the visible expression, the broad acre of their social and civic consciousness—the people themselves must first experience the fight for existence, experience personal danger and common sacrifice, the turmoil of mechanized battles, the mental preparedness for being blotted out at a second’s notice. (Mendelsohn, April 1942)
     
    In that same period -- early in 1942 -- Mendelsohn assisted the US Air Force in perfecting methods of destroying the housing of working-class German civilians by creating firestorms. In his plan, even "infants in their cribs" were targeted for "being blotted out at a second's notice," in preparation for "rebuilding their towns and dwellings."

    As Cora Sol Goldstein reports in "Capturing the German Eye," what remained of German art -- the expression of a people's identity-- after the firebombers did their work was destroyed by primarily Jewish agents working under the umbrella of US occupying forces but contrary to the wishes of military as well as US Congressional leadership. Jews were intent on imposing their will on a prostrate German people, and of erasing their sense of German -- and Christian -- identity. Jews in Germany were determined that the serpent would prevail over the Christ; as E Michael Jones has argued, in rejecting Jesus, Jews rejected logos, the rational order of the universe and of nature.

    The German people were the test case for the process that Naomi Klein called Shock Doctrine; they have been mentally and spiritually colonized by the proponents of anti-logos and the worshippers of consumerism.
  87. The latest exposure of facts corroborating the fact Seth Rich, not the Russians, was the source of the wikileaks DNC disclosures moves the propagators of the false Russian interference in the US election story into the area of sedition and treason.

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    "The latest exposure of facts corroborating the fact Seth Rich, not the Russians, was the source of the wikileaks DNC disclosures moves the propagators of the false Russian interference in the US election story into the area of sedition and treason."
    Correct. But be repeated again and again.
  88. @RobinG
    "Was it not" Bernie who was a sheepdog, herding the controlled opposition?

    "Was it not" Bernie who echoed Hilligula's call for a No Fly Zone in Syria?

    "Was it not" Bernie who tweeted on 10 May 2017 "What is Trump afraid of? Why did he want to stop Comey's investigation? We need an independently appointed special counsel to tell us that."

    Don't peddle myths about that old fraud and sellout. [And if had been the candidate, he may have had neither "margin" nor victory if Bloomberg entered race.]

    Come what may, lots of us are glad that Trump won.

    I agree fully with RobinG’s take on Bernie: with his support of the Russian conspiracy theory he has gone over to the dark side. He jumped the shark ages ago. With Seth Rich now the proven source of the leak those continuing to parrot the deep state theory are not only nihilists and traitors to civilization but open traitors period.

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov

    I agree fully with RobinG’s take on Bernie: with his support of the Russian conspiracy theory he has gone over to the dark side.
     
    He never left it to start with, he always was there (on the dark side)--the guy is as shallow and as manipulating as they come. Current American political class , despite some important and high profile exceptions, is a wasteland of corruption, ignorance and malfeasance.
  89. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Wally
    So there was no violence at Trump rallies?
    So the man who admitted to paying for the violence is fantasizing like your 'holocaust' survivors?

    He did work for the DNC.

    I have you, again.

    You're projecting,

    What’s your proof outside of websites within your echo chamber?

    It’s bullshit, whether you admit it or not.

    And your guy is going down.

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    Anon says

    Wally is going done.....on his guy
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " And your man is going down"

    You are delerious with megalomania, and out of your mind.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.
  90. @utu
    Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov had sought to sneak a recording device into the White House during last week’s visit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3Rrvh3FwE

    Gentlemen, this is outrageous. I have never heard of such behavior in the war room before.

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    • Replies: @Doh
    "Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
  91. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/864636831391858688

    We live in crazy times. During the Cold War, Stalin the mass killer had all of Eastern Europe. China fell to communism. Soviet spies in the US sent Stalin secrets to the Atomic Bomb. And Harry Dexter White and Alger Hiss turned out to be Soviet agents. But the so-called Left and Liberals have been telling us it mostly just anti-communist hysteria, a Red Scare, and that there was NOTHING to see or fret about. For much of the Cold War, the Liberals were telling us that the Communist Sympathizers were the good guys AND Joe McCarthy & the anti-communists were paranoid lunatics. And even in cases where communist agents were outed, they were seen as one bad apple in the barrel. Or… even if they’d done wrong, they were motivated by ‘idealism’. Using this moral logic, even Rosenberg was better than anti-communists who called more vigilance.

    Today, Russia is a much diminished power. It gave up on messianic communism and world domination. It gave up its empire. It surrendered Eastern Europe, and USSR broke into many republics. Russia hasn’t invaded any nation whereas US invaded and destroyed several nations since end of Cold War.

    BUT NOW, we are told that all-powerful Russia infiltrated the US, hacked the elections, and is using Trump as a Siberian Candidate.
    When the Soviet threat was real, the so-called ‘left’ dismissed the fears and anxiety as ‘paranoia’ and ‘hysteria’.
    When the current Russian ‘threat’ is pure fantasy, all the media are running wildly with it.

    Why is this happening? It’s all about Jews and Liberals who’ve long dominated the media and academia. During the Cold War, many Jews were on the Left, harbored pro-Soviet sympathies and even aided & abetted the USSR, directly or indirectly. When Oppenheimer called for sharing Bomb secrets with the USSR, he was defended by the Left. And for most of Cold War historiography, Liberals have been portraying him as a great man of conscience who wanted World Peace… despite the fact that Oppenheimer had a real blindspot about the USSR that, back then, was a totalitarian state.

    Anyway, given the character of American Leftism back then, anti-communism couldn’t help but target many people who happened to be Jewish or Liberal. And that’s why it was in Jewish interest to dismiss anti-communism as mostly ‘hysteria’ or ‘paranoia’.

    Today, Jews fear Russia because of events since the 1990s. After the fall of communism, Jewish globalists looted the Russian economy and almost gained total domination over Russia.
    But then, Putin restored some degree of national sovereignty and reined in Jewish supremacist power.
    Jews have been bitter and angry ever since and fear that the Russian example of national sovereignty may spread around the world.
    So, the Jewish Media Panic — Jews control the media — is all about Jewish Ethnic Interest.

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  92. @utu
    I don't know who Robert Parry is but to me this Colin Powell stuff is pure nonsense. At the same time my answer to the question "Are They Really Out to Get Trump?" is affirmative. Republicans and Democrats want Trump out and Pence in. The operation with Flynn who allegedly deceived Pence was part of this plan. That Trump fired Flynn was his greatest mistake in this game. It was not fatal yet. This was Their plan since the election or even earlier since Republican convention: have Trump step down and have Pence take over. After April 4th it seemed that They got Trump where They wanted him to be. Trump even became presidential. The escalation of rhetoric against North Korea over following weekend and week reinforced this perception until it turned out that it was all fake. There was no fleet steaming to Korea. Media realized they were played by Trump. During this time Trump and Tillerson in particular got some breathing space. The pre-April 4 policy of agreeing with Russia on Syria continued. Apparently Russia understood that the missile attack on Syria was just part of the game. It was not personal. More recently the US agreed to safe zones plan by Russia, Syria, Iran and Turkey. One should expect a false flag of gas attack or accidental bombing by US air force of Syrian forces to happen soon - broadcasted all night before the start of the US media news cycle by BBC, so US media, all talking heads memorize all talking points.

    While it is possible that Trump behaves erratically w/o well thought out plans we must give him a benefit of doubt and assume that there is a deep reason for firing Comey. Trump is fighting for his life. While he would prefer to be presidential and enjoy easy going times and provide peace and safety for his family by know he knows that nothing will satisfy Them. They want him out! Erratic Trump and confused and chaotic WH is a meme which They and Their media want to plant and reinforce. That's why we hear about it all the time. But how to explain the firing of Comey? I would look for the answer at DOJ. Initially their hands were tied up but slowly they showed that there is new leadership at DOJ that was working for Trump for a change. Their independence of the Deep State was demonstrated by forcing Israel police to arrest Mossad operative/patsy for the wave of world wide anti-semitic hoaxes that were meant to undermine and compromise Trump. This is the proof that DOJ and part of FBI finally is strong enough and working for Trump. What next do they want to do? If they want to squash this "collusion with Russia" false narrative that is paralyzing the administration and in fact all belt way they must hit at those who originated this narrative, meaning Hillary Clinton and Obama. To do it they need to have a full control of FBI. Comey is gone. McCabe must go next. Will DOJ and new FBI go after Susan Rice, Sally Yates and Loretta Lynch? If they do this will lead to Obama. Will they go after Hillary Clinton and her emails? Will they secure Anthony Weiner computer? Does it still exist? Who will be nominated to replace Comey? What Trump will have to promise GOP to have him approved?

    The bottom line is that Trump is fighting for his life.

    this Colin Powell stuff is pure nonsense

    To us it is, but the Deep State is obsessed with Colin Powell because he was the original Magic Negro twenty years before Obama appeared on the scene.

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  93. If “A” happens, then I get to do “B”.

    I want to do ” B” in my heart anyway (let’s say I don’t like Trump). If I’m honest, I admit “A” (impeachable act) hasn’t happened and just oppose Trump when I disagree with him and support him when I do.

    Modern Dems and Neocons are not honest. They will attempt to make many acts seem like “A” has happened.

    Am seeing this a lot these days: phony accusations as grounds for aggression. Its like alleging some guy you don’t like hit your wife, and pre-arranging three of your friends to lie for you and claim they saw it too so you can take a punch at him and not get called out on it. Hard to deal with this level of dishonesty.

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  94. All this crazy business about Trump sharing classified info with Russia…

    What does it matter whether the Israeli Information was classified or not?
    If it helps in the War against ISIS, that’s all for the good. ISIS is a totally evil outfit.

    Why would it be bad to help Russia fight ISIS?

    And why would Israel be upset if ISIS faces a setback?

    The REAL scandal should be that Jewish Power rules the US, and its design is to keep ISIS in business to keep on bleeding Assad. THAT is the real evil.

    During WWII, FDR shared secrets with evil Stalin to fight more evil Hitler.

    So, what is wrong with Trump helping non-evil Russia and non-evil Syria fight totally evil ISIS?

    But then, we have a situation where Jewish Power even works with Neo-Nazis in Ukraine against Russia.

    The real reason for this fake controversy is this:

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/04/15/thomas-friedmans-perverse-love-affair-isis

    Zionists have no concern for gentile lives. Their only interest is having gentiles fight gentiles while Israelis watch with amusement.

    That is why the Globalist Media is upset that Trump used Israeli information in the war on ISIS.

    Jew make a big fuss about how the world didn’t care about Jews during WWII. But Jews don’t care about all the innocents who died in the Civil War in Syria. They don’t want the war to wind down. They want the war to keep going so that Israel can sit pretty while gentiles are destroying one another in the Middle East.

    Totally sick.

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    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    During WWII Churchill was very hesitant to share the decrypted Enigma information with either FDR or Stalin.
    Churchill never trusted Stalin, Stalin did not trust Churchill.
    After the Casablanca conference Churchill realised that he had ran into the FDR trap.
    Francois Kersaudy, ´De Gaulle et Roosevelt, Le duel au sommet’, Paris, 2004
    De Gaulle never trusted Roosevelt, Roosevelt saw De Gaulle as a nuisance.
    There is no doubt whatsoever on how evil Stalin was, he already was evil as a teenager.
    Edward Radinsky, ‘Stalin’, 1996, London, Amsterdam
    Such evil you do not find in any biography on Hitler.
    , @Don Bass
    *~And why would Israel be upset if ISIS faces a setback?~

    Because ISIS >IS< Israel. ISIS is a proxy force. It's purpose is to facilitate the Yinon Plan of Greater Israel _ from Egypt to the Euphrates.

    Ukraine is the Intermarium Plan. Yields vast fertile bread basket-food security to Greater Israel.
    Want links? Use a search engine of your choice.
    , @Z-man
    The full court press is now on, in the controlled media and congress, with this 'obstruction of justice' 'he said/he said' (Trump/Comey) BS coming out. The usual suspects are crawling out in front of the media including "Nuts' McCain and lavender Lindsey Graham. McCain looks more and more diseased, he can't die soon enough to suit me and I hope they expose lavender boy for the pedophile he probably is.
    The good news for Trump is that the acting FBI director, a nominal Democrat, says that there was no interference by the WH and that Comey is such a stickler for detail and so anal retentive that he won't throw Trump under the bus for a casual remark Donald made asking to stop the investigation of Flynn. That would make Comey 'mildly nauseous'.
    This will be another tempest in a tea pot, but the worst that Trump will go thru as lawyers will be involved.

    PS. Heaven forbid Pence gets in, a Cabalist controlled zealot Christian Zionist, yikes!!

    , @annamaria
    "So, what is wrong with Trump helping non-evil Russia and non-evil Syria fight totally evil ISIS?"

    The ISIS is good at helping to secure the Golan Heights for Israel. Moreover, the artificial supremacist state has a rabid hatred towards the ancient civilization of Iran; Iran is on the opposite side of ISIS. And then there is a larger project of financialization of the planet. The Wall Street/MIC want it now.

  95. @Priss Factor
    All this crazy business about Trump sharing classified info with Russia...

    What does it matter whether the Israeli Information was classified or not?
    If it helps in the War against ISIS, that's all for the good. ISIS is a totally evil outfit.

    Why would it be bad to help Russia fight ISIS?

    And why would Israel be upset if ISIS faces a setback?

    The REAL scandal should be that Jewish Power rules the US, and its design is to keep ISIS in business to keep on bleeding Assad. THAT is the real evil.

    During WWII, FDR shared secrets with evil Stalin to fight more evil Hitler.

    So, what is wrong with Trump helping non-evil Russia and non-evil Syria fight totally evil ISIS?

    But then, we have a situation where Jewish Power even works with Neo-Nazis in Ukraine against Russia.

    The real reason for this fake controversy is this:

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/04/15/thomas-friedmans-perverse-love-affair-isis

    Zionists have no concern for gentile lives. Their only interest is having gentiles fight gentiles while Israelis watch with amusement.

    That is why the Globalist Media is upset that Trump used Israeli information in the war on ISIS.

    Jew make a big fuss about how the world didn't care about Jews during WWII. But Jews don't care about all the innocents who died in the Civil War in Syria. They don't want the war to wind down. They want the war to keep going so that Israel can sit pretty while gentiles are destroying one another in the Middle East.

    Totally sick.

    During WWII Churchill was very hesitant to share the decrypted Enigma information with either FDR or Stalin.
    Churchill never trusted Stalin, Stalin did not trust Churchill.
    After the Casablanca conference Churchill realised that he had ran into the FDR trap.
    Francois Kersaudy, ´De Gaulle et Roosevelt, Le duel au sommet’, Paris, 2004
    De Gaulle never trusted Roosevelt, Roosevelt saw De Gaulle as a nuisance.
    There is no doubt whatsoever on how evil Stalin was, he already was evil as a teenager.
    Edward Radinsky, ‘Stalin’, 1996, London, Amsterdam
    Such evil you do not find in any biography on Hitler.

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  96. @Anon
    What's your proof outside of websites within your echo chamber?

    It's bullshit, whether you admit it or not.

    And your guy is going down.

    Anon says

    Wally is going done…..on his guy

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  97. @Sam Shama
    Dear Sister Evangeline so beatific and pure, recoils at the descendants of Naphtali, son of Jacob, eh? Tell me, did the soulful sister feel an arousal, tickled in parts perhaps, looking at the beautiful nephtalim? Nuns are often that way you know.

    I jest of course. It's all fiction anyway, and we know better, don't we?

    Speaking of German culture, any culture for that matter, it seems normal to expect change over time. Germany is still the Germany of Goethe, Beethoven, Mozart, and Leibniz. None of that has changed. But it's also the Germany of so much more, ideas and proposals relevant to the march of time. Perhaps you nostalge over Germania or the one of Alaric the Goth? [Note: Derbyshire coined 'nostalge']

    Nothing wrong with consumerism, it being the natural state of affairs ever since the apple was bitten. And the condition which keeps the human mind from straying to worse alternatives.

    Like Germania, for example. On balance I am confident your median European doesn't miss the Prussian, feels quite relieved living with a Germany restricted to selling their manufacture instead of applying them on the rest of the continent.

    Modern Art or traditional art? Would you include Adolf's masterpieces in the latter category? I hear they fetch a few pfennigs from the truly discerning collector.

    Sam

    Nice when you hit hard and far.jawool!

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  98. Israel is the one bitching about the so-called security leak to the Russians, so Israel either has a mole–Kushner–in the WH or a listening device in the Oval Office. It wouldn’t be the first time they’ve neutralized an American president, from JFK to Slick Willy.

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    The Israel-firsters are in arms. The suspected pedophile Dershowitz is charging ahead: http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/18/fast-and-furious-now-theyre-really-gunning-for-trump/
    by JIM KAVANAGH:
    "I awoke Tuesday to read the stories in the New York Times (NYT), and the Washington Post (WaPo), sourced to anonymous “current and former government officials,” recounting that Trump had told the Russians a big secret—the NYT did not specify what, but WaPo identified it as an “Islamic State terrorist threat related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft.” As both papers acknowledge—though WaPo makes the irrelevant point that it would be illegal “for almost anyone in government”—Trump, as president, did nothing illegal in telling the Russians this, and, according to the NYT’s own sources, and to National Security advisor Lt. Gen. McMaster and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson—the only people cited who were actually in the room—Trump “discussed the contents of the intelligence, but not the sources and methods used to collect it.
    As Marcy Wheeler aptly put it:
    "So multiple people learned of this event, and went out and leaked it ( which is illegal to do for most anyone besides the President, the WaPo helpfully notes), not just with the WaPo’s two reporters, but with reporters from Buzzfeed, NYT, WSJ, and more. They leaked it to reporters who they presumably knew would then report it..."
    Sounds like Cheney school.
    And here comes the Idiot (with the capital letter): "Alan Dershowitz had called the Trump-betrayed-ally’s-secrets-to-Russia story “the most serious charge ever made against a sitting president.”
    There was only one “Middle Eastern ally” (or ally of any region) which has the chutzpah to “warn” the United States “it would cut off access to…sensitive information”—while itself stealing, with impunity, America’s most closely-guarded secrets. As Newsweek reported in 2014: “Israel has been caught carrying out aggressive espionage operations against American targets for decades… They just don’t get arrested very often.”
    Shouldn't FBI start investigation the Buzzfeed', NYT', WSJ', WaPo' Israel-firsters to find the mole in the White House?
  99. @Trelane

    Gentlemen, this is outrageous. I have never heard of such behavior in the war room before.

     

    “Gentlemen. You can’t fight in here. This is the War Room!”

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  100. @Priss Factor
    All this crazy business about Trump sharing classified info with Russia...

    What does it matter whether the Israeli Information was classified or not?
    If it helps in the War against ISIS, that's all for the good. ISIS is a totally evil outfit.

    Why would it be bad to help Russia fight ISIS?

    And why would Israel be upset if ISIS faces a setback?

    The REAL scandal should be that Jewish Power rules the US, and its design is to keep ISIS in business to keep on bleeding Assad. THAT is the real evil.

    During WWII, FDR shared secrets with evil Stalin to fight more evil Hitler.

    So, what is wrong with Trump helping non-evil Russia and non-evil Syria fight totally evil ISIS?

    But then, we have a situation where Jewish Power even works with Neo-Nazis in Ukraine against Russia.

    The real reason for this fake controversy is this:

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/04/15/thomas-friedmans-perverse-love-affair-isis

    Zionists have no concern for gentile lives. Their only interest is having gentiles fight gentiles while Israelis watch with amusement.

    That is why the Globalist Media is upset that Trump used Israeli information in the war on ISIS.

    Jew make a big fuss about how the world didn't care about Jews during WWII. But Jews don't care about all the innocents who died in the Civil War in Syria. They don't want the war to wind down. They want the war to keep going so that Israel can sit pretty while gentiles are destroying one another in the Middle East.

    Totally sick.

    *~And why would Israel be upset if ISIS faces a setback?~

    Because ISIS >IS< Israel. ISIS is a proxy force. It's purpose is to facilitate the Yinon Plan of Greater Israel _ from Egypt to the Euphrates.

    Ukraine is the Intermarium Plan. Yields vast fertile bread basket-food security to Greater Israel.
    Want links? Use a search engine of your choice.

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    Because ISIS >IS< Israel. ISIS is a proxy force. It's purpose is to facilitate the Yinon Plan of Greater Israel _ from Egypt to the Euphrates.
     
    It seems the Zionist Left, in chastising the Zionist Right for their support of Trump, was willing to disclose the veracity of your statement:

    ABC News is reporting that the life of an Israeli spy embedded with ISIS is now at risk because of the president’s unconscionable mistake.

    http://forward.com/opinion/372175/trump-intel-russia-jewish-votes/?attribution=home-hero-item-text-1
     
  101. […] Written by Philip Giraldi; Originall appeared at The Unz Review […]

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  102. @Don Bass
    *~And why would Israel be upset if ISIS faces a setback?~

    Because ISIS >IS< Israel. ISIS is a proxy force. It's purpose is to facilitate the Yinon Plan of Greater Israel _ from Egypt to the Euphrates.

    Ukraine is the Intermarium Plan. Yields vast fertile bread basket-food security to Greater Israel.
    Want links? Use a search engine of your choice.

    Because ISIS >IS< Israel. ISIS is a proxy force. It's purpose is to facilitate the Yinon Plan of Greater Israel _ from Egypt to the Euphrates.

    It seems the Zionist Left, in chastising the Zionist Right for their support of Trump, was willing to disclose the veracity of your statement:

    ABC News is reporting that the life of an Israeli spy embedded with ISIS is now at risk because of the president’s unconscionable mistake.

    http://forward.com/opinion/372175/trump-intel-russia-jewish-votes/?attribution=home-hero-item-text-1

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  103. @Sandy Berger's Socks
    Trump as a matter of survival, needs to take the offensive or face an inevitable political death by a thousand cuts/leaks.

    Initiate investigations on Obama's surveillance, Hillarys Server, Seth Rich, Etc. Making nice with the establishment will get him nowhere and will only further alianate his base.

    Take the gloves off and fight back.

    ” Needs to take the offensive or face an inevitable political death”

    Precisely, however I am thinking that that even DT is terrified of the “inevitable” chanting of :

    RACISM RACISM RACISM RACISM RACISM RACISM RACISM RACISM

    if he does indeed go on the offensive, the amazing aspect is that these bastards can turn anything into to an expression of “racism”, and the only effective approach is to turn it around and to start labeling them, which is the truth anyway, of being racist.

    He should hold mass rallies with a huge video screen in back of him with the repeated sequel of HRC laughing like a lunatic after the Gadaffi execution and descending into abject lunacy.

    Look this is an actual war, and they will will most definitely win if he is reluctant to hit them hard and relentless, until they are vanquished, and the cowardly Republicans who would rather lose than jeopardize their gravy train, will most likely decide the sad outcome.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

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  104. @Wally
    I'm curious why this has been ignored:

    Undercover video shows Democrat operatives admitting they incited violence at Trump rallies
    https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/10/undercover-video-shows-democrat-operatives-admitting-they-incited-violence-at-trump-rallies

    ” I’m curious why this has been ignored”

    Wow, you don’t know by now that everything and anything which casts a negative light on the Democrats will be ignored and swept under the carpet.

    The scoundrels (media) who should be exposing these issues are Democrats themselves and they will never crap in their own beds.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, Airbormne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

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  105. More likely is that T is merely incompetent. Lawyers, business execs, and generals mostly have a sort of narrow highly focused intelligence that leaves them appallingly ignorant of everything else . Bush and Obama were competent politicians but their international actions disastrous as they had no clue about history and other cultures. T is at a further disadvantage because he is a child in the gorilla cage of national and world politics. It’s like me trying to repair your local nuclear power plant, it’s not going to end well.

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    " B and o were competent politicians"

    Yeah sure and the whole middle east is on fire as a result of their "competence"

    O is the epitome of an unread, unaware, low IQ empty suit such as defined by Clint, and his rise to power being a political transgression of untold implications, a true product of vacuous, insane "Ivy league" professors, and the clueless German morons worship the ground he walks on.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, ariborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

  106. @Anon
    What's your proof outside of websites within your echo chamber?

    It's bullshit, whether you admit it or not.

    And your guy is going down.

    ” And your man is going down”

    You are delerious with megalomania, and out of your mind.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

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  107. @Priss Factor
    All this crazy business about Trump sharing classified info with Russia...

    What does it matter whether the Israeli Information was classified or not?
    If it helps in the War against ISIS, that's all for the good. ISIS is a totally evil outfit.

    Why would it be bad to help Russia fight ISIS?

    And why would Israel be upset if ISIS faces a setback?

    The REAL scandal should be that Jewish Power rules the US, and its design is to keep ISIS in business to keep on bleeding Assad. THAT is the real evil.

    During WWII, FDR shared secrets with evil Stalin to fight more evil Hitler.

    So, what is wrong with Trump helping non-evil Russia and non-evil Syria fight totally evil ISIS?

    But then, we have a situation where Jewish Power even works with Neo-Nazis in Ukraine against Russia.

    The real reason for this fake controversy is this:

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/04/15/thomas-friedmans-perverse-love-affair-isis

    Zionists have no concern for gentile lives. Their only interest is having gentiles fight gentiles while Israelis watch with amusement.

    That is why the Globalist Media is upset that Trump used Israeli information in the war on ISIS.

    Jew make a big fuss about how the world didn't care about Jews during WWII. But Jews don't care about all the innocents who died in the Civil War in Syria. They don't want the war to wind down. They want the war to keep going so that Israel can sit pretty while gentiles are destroying one another in the Middle East.

    Totally sick.

    The full court press is now on, in the controlled media and congress, with this ‘obstruction of justice’ ‘he said/he said’ (Trump/Comey) BS coming out. The usual suspects are crawling out in front of the media including “Nuts’ McCain and lavender Lindsey Graham. McCain looks more and more diseased, he can’t die soon enough to suit me and I hope they expose lavender boy for the pedophile he probably is.
    The good news for Trump is that the acting FBI director, a nominal Democrat, says that there was no interference by the WH and that Comey is such a stickler for detail and so anal retentive that he won’t throw Trump under the bus for a casual remark Donald made asking to stop the investigation of Flynn. That would make Comey ‘mildly nauseous’.
    This will be another tempest in a tea pot, but the worst that Trump will go thru as lawyers will be involved.

    PS. Heaven forbid Pence gets in, a Cabalist controlled zealot Christian Zionist, yikes!!

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  108. @IvyMike
    More likely is that T is merely incompetent. Lawyers, business execs, and generals mostly have a sort of narrow highly focused intelligence that leaves them appallingly ignorant of everything else . Bush and Obama were competent politicians but their international actions disastrous as they had no clue about history and other cultures. T is at a further disadvantage because he is a child in the gorilla cage of national and world politics. It's like me trying to repair your local nuclear power plant, it's not going to end well.

    ” B and o were competent politicians”

    Yeah sure and the whole middle east is on fire as a result of their “competence”

    O is the epitome of an unread, unaware, low IQ empty suit such as defined by Clint, and his rise to power being a political transgression of untold implications, a true product of vacuous, insane “Ivy league” professors, and the clueless German morons worship the ground he walks on.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, ariborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

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  109. Trump can’t even get his SoS Rex Tillerson to shut up and not keep repeating that Russian interfered in “our” election.

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  110. @mp
    Trump has turned out to be very weak. Maybe he just doesn't believe in anything, so it doesn't matter to him. Or maybe he has some ideas, but has no clue about implementation. He's going to see the Tribe next week. That will tell us a lot, I'm thinking. But it's a lot that we probably already know...or at least can guess.

    Spot on!

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  111. What it’s really going to come down to are the midterm elections in 2018. If the democrats get a majority in the house and senate, they can just invent any reason to impeach trump. Probably many establishment republicans will join them as well.

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    What it’s really going to come down to are the midterm elections in 2018. If the democrats get a majority in the house and senate, they can just invent any reason to impeach trump. Probably many establishment republicans will join them as well.

     

    Yes, the entire corrupt establishment will go after our leader.
    Donald do as much damage as you can before they get you!!
  112. @Joe Hide
    It looks to me as though the "deep state" is getting progressive dementia. While inhabited by many high I.Q. players, their moves are increasingly insane. They had assumed their "Surveillance State" would become all intrusive, giving them ever greater control over us peasants. The reverse has happened, where most of the 7 billion of us have cell phones that record and display all their nefarious deeds. We have a million times more high I.Q. people than them, that increasingly are waking up and exposing those psychopaths for the pieces of garbage that they are.

    What a delightful and intriguing idea.

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  113. @utu
    I don't know who Robert Parry is but to me this Colin Powell stuff is pure nonsense. At the same time my answer to the question "Are They Really Out to Get Trump?" is affirmative. Republicans and Democrats want Trump out and Pence in. The operation with Flynn who allegedly deceived Pence was part of this plan. That Trump fired Flynn was his greatest mistake in this game. It was not fatal yet. This was Their plan since the election or even earlier since Republican convention: have Trump step down and have Pence take over. After April 4th it seemed that They got Trump where They wanted him to be. Trump even became presidential. The escalation of rhetoric against North Korea over following weekend and week reinforced this perception until it turned out that it was all fake. There was no fleet steaming to Korea. Media realized they were played by Trump. During this time Trump and Tillerson in particular got some breathing space. The pre-April 4 policy of agreeing with Russia on Syria continued. Apparently Russia understood that the missile attack on Syria was just part of the game. It was not personal. More recently the US agreed to safe zones plan by Russia, Syria, Iran and Turkey. One should expect a false flag of gas attack or accidental bombing by US air force of Syrian forces to happen soon - broadcasted all night before the start of the US media news cycle by BBC, so US media, all talking heads memorize all talking points.

    While it is possible that Trump behaves erratically w/o well thought out plans we must give him a benefit of doubt and assume that there is a deep reason for firing Comey. Trump is fighting for his life. While he would prefer to be presidential and enjoy easy going times and provide peace and safety for his family by know he knows that nothing will satisfy Them. They want him out! Erratic Trump and confused and chaotic WH is a meme which They and Their media want to plant and reinforce. That's why we hear about it all the time. But how to explain the firing of Comey? I would look for the answer at DOJ. Initially their hands were tied up but slowly they showed that there is new leadership at DOJ that was working for Trump for a change. Their independence of the Deep State was demonstrated by forcing Israel police to arrest Mossad operative/patsy for the wave of world wide anti-semitic hoaxes that were meant to undermine and compromise Trump. This is the proof that DOJ and part of FBI finally is strong enough and working for Trump. What next do they want to do? If they want to squash this "collusion with Russia" false narrative that is paralyzing the administration and in fact all belt way they must hit at those who originated this narrative, meaning Hillary Clinton and Obama. To do it they need to have a full control of FBI. Comey is gone. McCabe must go next. Will DOJ and new FBI go after Susan Rice, Sally Yates and Loretta Lynch? If they do this will lead to Obama. Will they go after Hillary Clinton and her emails? Will they secure Anthony Weiner computer? Does it still exist? Who will be nominated to replace Comey? What Trump will have to promise GOP to have him approved?

    The bottom line is that Trump is fighting for his life.

    Everything is moving so fast these days. Trump is under relentless pressure, I don’t know if he will last. The media, neocons, and establishment are after him non-stop. The Wash Post says he revealed classified information to the Russians. Hannity, on his radio show, went over Comey’s defacto indictment of Hillary from his last July presentation. Obviously, Hillary committed numerous felonies. The only way Trump can get revenge on what the media is doing to him is to allow the FBI to present a case of espionage or mishandling of classified information against Hillary, indict her, and send her to prison, and DON’T look back. He has to do it. That will do so much to restore trust in him with his base. He has to go for broke- because his enemies are.

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    • Replies: @utu
    Trump and his people (DOJ Iguess?) must hit back and really hard. Going after Hillary probably would be the best thing. Unfortunately not everybody understands it. We are also not sure if Trump has it in him. But if he does not do it he will face "an inevitable political death by a thousand cuts/leaks."
  114. @exiled off mainstreet
    I agree fully with RobinG's take on Bernie: with his support of the Russian conspiracy theory he has gone over to the dark side. He jumped the shark ages ago. With Seth Rich now the proven source of the leak those continuing to parrot the deep state theory are not only nihilists and traitors to civilization but open traitors period.

    I agree fully with RobinG’s take on Bernie: with his support of the Russian conspiracy theory he has gone over to the dark side.

    He never left it to start with, he always was there (on the dark side)–the guy is as shallow and as manipulating as they come. Current American political class , despite some important and high profile exceptions, is a wasteland of corruption, ignorance and malfeasance.

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    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    " The guy (BS) is a shallow and as manipulating as they come"

    Amen bro, he turns my stomach, but what can one expect from his lunatic ilk.

    The Germans, as crazy as they are, they were hoping either he or HC would win the election.
    They absolutely abhor DT, and I am beginning to really grasp Winston C's "boots or throat" theory.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet and pro jazz musician.
  115. @polistra
    Of course they're out to get him. The question is what they will replace him with. When Deepstate took down Nixon, they planned the attack carefully. They took down Agnew first and replaced him with Deepstate loyalist Jerry Ford. After that first move, they could be confident that pulling Nixon down would immediately restore Deepstate.

    The same people are running the attack this time. (The older ones, including Hillary, are EXACTLY THE SAME INDIVIDUALS, not just the same type.) But they haven't done the same sequence. They haven't taken any action against Pence. Thus we know that Pence is already Ford, already the pre-staged Deepstate restorer.

    Forgive my ignorance – but please elaborate on Jerry Ford’s deep statedness. In what important way way did he differ from Nixon and Agnew?

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  116. @the_chump
    Everything is moving so fast these days. Trump is under relentless pressure, I don't know if he will last. The media, neocons, and establishment are after him non-stop. The Wash Post says he revealed classified information to the Russians. Hannity, on his radio show, went over Comey's defacto indictment of Hillary from his last July presentation. Obviously, Hillary committed numerous felonies. The only way Trump can get revenge on what the media is doing to him is to allow the FBI to present a case of espionage or mishandling of classified information against Hillary, indict her, and send her to prison, and DON'T look back. He has to do it. That will do so much to restore trust in him with his base. He has to go for broke- because his enemies are.

    Trump and his people (DOJ Iguess?) must hit back and really hard. Going after Hillary probably would be the best thing. Unfortunately not everybody understands it. We are also not sure if Trump has it in him. But if he does not do it he will face “an inevitable political death by a thousand cuts/leaks.”

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    Letter from Team Trump today:

    You already knew the media was out to get us.

    But sadly it’s not just the fake news… There are people within our own unelected bureaucracy that want to sabotage President Trump and our entire America First movement.

    Steve Bannon was right when he said, “If you think they’re going to give you your country back without a fight, you’re sadly mistaken. Every day is going to be a fight. That is the promise of Donald Trump.”

    They don’t want it to be America First. They want it to be Special Interests first to enrich themselves all while the citizens of our country remain an afterthought.

    We have no choice but to completely DRAIN THE SWAMP. President Trump has already started cleaning house, but every day will be an uphill battle -- and we need to be prepared to go into the trenches to FIGHT BACK.
     
    Asking for support, of course. They should have it.
  117. @mcohen
    My father was a farmer and every now and then he would ask me what comes after the letter P.
    i would answer Q.being the clever kid that i was.he would then be silent and get a slightly disappointed look on his face
    This went on for years
    One day he asked me again.what comes after P
    This time i decided to answer "NUT"
    He gave me a smile and said well done son.we will still make a farmer out of you.

    Now why would a priest become a farmer? Blasphemous!

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Now why would a priest become a farmer? Blasphemous!

    That's right.
    We know that between Cain and Able which one was God's favorite.
    Hint; it wasn't the farmer.
  118. I think Trump’s sacking of Comey was a panic reaction to MacronLeaks, which proves that the “Russian thing” is not a made-up story. The parallels: a populist (Trump, Le Pen), a moderate candidate (Clinton, Fillon) who is being discredited and an outsider (Sanders, Macron). The scam was to get Fillon into the second round, discredit him and hope that enough of Macron’s voters would abstain to turn Le Pen’s minority support into a majority. Mediapart caused the scam to go off at half cock, propelling a squeaky clean Macron into the second round. The abstentionist scam also failed inasmuch as it effected both Macron and Le Pen to almost equal degrees, leaving the overall result unchanged. A hasty last minute panic attempt to discredit Macron was so totally botched that the hackers left a trail of evidence, leading to at least one identified Russian and two identified US alt-right figures, one of whom worked for the Trump campaign. The ongoing French criminal investigation will probably bring more names to light. Trump was probably scared of Comey co-operating with the French investigation.
    Now, Trump appears to have revealed to Lavrov information which Trump’s reaction to press reports suggests he didn’t even know was classified or that it had been shared with the US by Israel on the basis that it would be kept secret. Hence Trump’s confused reaction: first, he didn’t do it, then he was entitled to do it. The latter is legally true, but can a president make a rational decision to declassify information if he doesn’t even know it’s classified in the first place?
    Thus, no deep, dark conspiracy. Just Trump’s political naiveté. The same naiveté that allowed him to be manipulated by Putin’s American supporters.

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    Now, Trump appears to have revealed to Lavrov information which Trump’s reaction to press reports suggests he didn’t even know was classified or that it had been shared with the US by Israel on the basis that it would be kept secret.
     
    The obvious question is, How does the public know what Trump said to Lavrov in the Oval Office?

    Did Trump reveal it?
    Did Lavrov?

    Or did the Israelis?

    If the Israelis, how did they know what Trump said to Lavrov in the Oval Office?
    And for what purpose did the Israelis reveal a communication between Trump and Lavrov in the Oval Office?

    Was it another exercise in the system anon described: the Bolsheviks did it [to] send a clear message that ‘there is no going back’. http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/comey-the-saturday-night-massacre/#comment-1874319

    Israelis leaked what Trump said to Lavrov in order to tell Trump and the American -- and all people -- that Jews are in charge, they are everywhere, they hear everything.

    ---
    btw -- where is the Kagan clan holding forth these days?
    Does Meyrav Wurmser keep herself busy changing the sunflower wreath on her front door, or are she and hubby David pursuing other interests?
    What's Ash Carter up to in his retirement?
    Is Michele Flournoy adjusting well to not being Hillary's SecDef?

    , @utu
    Michael Kenny, where did you come from? You got 7 comments so far.
    , @MarkinLA
    Except Trump has been saying nationalist things about borders and trade for a long time. The reality was that he was the only guy from the GOP who could have gotten Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. These ideas could have been used by ANYBODY GOP or Democrat to win. Bernie Sanders was making hay with it until the DNC pulled him aside and told him to suck up to Black Lives Matter.

    Your story is just too convoluted compared to the simple fact that Trump said what a lot of Americans have been saying but that Washington politicians have been intentionally ignoring for years to the benefit of the donor class.
  119. @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Now why would a priest become a farmer? Blasphemous!

    Now why would a priest become a farmer? Blasphemous!

    That’s right.
    We know that between Cain and Able which one was God’s favorite.
    Hint; it wasn’t the farmer.

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  120. @Sam Shama
    Dear Sister Evangeline so beatific and pure, recoils at the descendants of Naphtali, son of Jacob, eh? Tell me, did the soulful sister feel an arousal, tickled in parts perhaps, looking at the beautiful nephtalim? Nuns are often that way you know.

    I jest of course. It's all fiction anyway, and we know better, don't we?

    Speaking of German culture, any culture for that matter, it seems normal to expect change over time. Germany is still the Germany of Goethe, Beethoven, Mozart, and Leibniz. None of that has changed. But it's also the Germany of so much more, ideas and proposals relevant to the march of time. Perhaps you nostalge over Germania or the one of Alaric the Goth? [Note: Derbyshire coined 'nostalge']

    Nothing wrong with consumerism, it being the natural state of affairs ever since the apple was bitten. And the condition which keeps the human mind from straying to worse alternatives.

    Like Germania, for example. On balance I am confident your median European doesn't miss the Prussian, feels quite relieved living with a Germany restricted to selling their manufacture instead of applying them on the rest of the continent.

    Modern Art or traditional art? Would you include Adolf's masterpieces in the latter category? I hear they fetch a few pfennigs from the truly discerning collector.

    Nothing wrong with consumerism, it being the natural state of affairs ever since the apple was bitten. And the condition which keeps the human mind from straying to worse alternatives.

    If consumerism is so omnipresent, why did the German people have to be subjected to psychological warfare tactics to embrace it?

    As I recall the tale you allude to, the main characters lived in a state of harmony with nature, their needs supplied sufficiently by nature. The serpent induced them to seek to exceed the sufficiency of ‘nature’s god.’ Does your interpretation mean you are on the side of the serpent?

    Like Germania, for example. On balance I am confident your median European doesn’t miss the Prussian, feels quite relieved living with a Germany restricted to selling their manufacture instead of applying them on the rest of the continent.

    Morgenthau 2.01.
    The threat of Prussian militarism was and remains a figment of British as well as Jewish hyperventilation. In the first half of 1933 James Waterman Wise published a broadside, labeling the swastika a “symbol of hatred of Jews,” five years before any German Jew had been harmed by NSDAP, and at a time when Germany’s neighbors had a military advantage of at least 12:1.
    Cycle back to that serpent, the father of lies.

    Modern Art or traditional art? Would you include Adolf’s masterpieces in the latter category? I hear they fetch a few pfennigs from the truly discerning collector.

    It seems to me the people of a nation should be the ones to decide on the art that expresses their identity.
    From the late 1930s Erich Mendelsohn lectured on the necessity to destroy a people’s native legacy to embrace, in its stead, his artistic vision —

    But in order to reeducate the people at large, beautiful per se, to that beautiful end, to rebuild their towns and dwellings—the visible expression, the broad acre of their social and civic consciousness—the people themselves must first experience the fight for existence, experience personal danger and common sacrifice, the turmoil of mechanized battles, the mental preparedness for being blotted out at a second’s notice. (Mendelsohn, April 1942)

    In that same period — early in 1942 — Mendelsohn assisted the US Air Force in perfecting methods of destroying the housing of working-class German civilians by creating firestorms. In his plan, even “infants in their cribs” were targeted for “being blotted out at a second’s notice,” in preparation for “rebuilding their towns and dwellings.”

    As Cora Sol Goldstein reports in “Capturing the German Eye,” what remained of German art — the expression of a people’s identity– after the firebombers did their work was destroyed by primarily Jewish agents working under the umbrella of US occupying forces but contrary to the wishes of military as well as US Congressional leadership. Jews were intent on imposing their will on a prostrate German people, and of erasing their sense of German — and Christian — identity. Jews in Germany were determined that the serpent would prevail over the Christ; as E Michael Jones has argued, in rejecting Jesus, Jews rejected logos, the rational order of the universe and of nature.

    The German people were the test case for the process that Naomi Klein called Shock Doctrine; they have been mentally and spiritually colonized by the proponents of anti-logos and the worshippers of consumerism.

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    “If consumerism is so omnipresent, why did the German people have to be subjected to psychological warfare tactics to embrace it?”

    Please specify the “psychological warfare tactics” to which you refer. Germans didn’t sell/buy from each other prior to WW1/WW2? 1870-71?

    “[ first half of 1933] five years before any German Jew had been harmed by NSDAP.”

    No Jews were killed ot victimized before ‘38? Are you serious? Off your meds? Tell that to Walther Ratenau (murdered ‘22). Ah, you’ll say - was that the NSDAP? Dolf was on record condemning Jews from June ‘20 in barroom lectures. It was popular. Intimidation, on-street random beatings, curtailment of civil rights, withdrawal of the means to make a living, extortion (exit visas, business licenses, etc.), etc. What’s not to love S2C? They hadn’t been “harmed”?

    “The threat of Prussian militarism was and remains a figment of British as well as Jewish hyperventilation.”

    I’m so glad. can’t wait to tell my Belgian and French cousins. Invaded, robbed, murdered, imprisoned, enslaved - it was all “a figment of British as well as Jewish hyperventilation.”

    “From the late 1930s Erich Mendelsohn lectured on the necessity to destroy a people’s native legacy.”

    Your quote dates from April ‘42, well after your Führer declared war on the US, well after the real killing started in the east. You assert lectures from “the late 1930s. Please provide quotes with dates.

    “In that same period — early in 1942 — Mendelsohn assisted the US Air Force in perfecting methods of destroying the housing of working-class German civilians by creating firestorms.”

    Dugway proving ground in Utah? Constructed in 1943? Ordinance tests in the desert? Bogus "late 1930s" quotes vs. 1943 tests? Have you no shame?

    Tell us, S2C, how did Hugo Sperrle’s Condor Legion test Nazi blitz tactics? Guernica 26 April ‘37 ring a bell? 1600 killed? 900 wounded? Why bother with testing on inanimate targets when you can destroy existing towns, kill people and get a genuine body count? Whoops, in your world it’s the Nazis that are the only victims. Forgot. Sorry.

    "Morgenthau 2.01."

    Lightweight Morgenthau? Denied his wishes by FDR? That’s the best you’ve got?

    You’re always silent when asked to explain your Führer’s orders to completely destroy Germany in ‘45. Speer’s rendition:

    “If the war is lost, the nation will also perish. This fate is inevitable. There is no necessity to take into consideration the basis which the people will need to continue even a most primitive existence. On the contrary, it will be better to destroy these things ourselves, because this nation will have proved to be the weaker one and the future will belong solely to the stronger eastern nation. Besides, those who will remain after the battle are only the inferior ones, for the good ones have all been killed.”
    -Adolf Hitler to Albert Speer, March 1945

    Golly, S2C. What do you say? Dolf seems far more hostile to Germany than poor little Morgenthau. Time to turn turtle and play dead again? “tl;dr”? Can’t blame you. Your trajectory seems ever more into bleak self-delusion.

  121. @utu
    Trump and his people (DOJ Iguess?) must hit back and really hard. Going after Hillary probably would be the best thing. Unfortunately not everybody understands it. We are also not sure if Trump has it in him. But if he does not do it he will face "an inevitable political death by a thousand cuts/leaks."

    Letter from Team Trump today:

    You already knew the media was out to get us.

    But sadly it’s not just the fake news… There are people within our own unelected bureaucracy that want to sabotage President Trump and our entire America First movement.

    Steve Bannon was right when he said, “If you think they’re going to give you your country back without a fight, you’re sadly mistaken. Every day is going to be a fight. That is the promise of Donald Trump.”

    They don’t want it to be America First. They want it to be Special Interests first to enrich themselves all while the citizens of our country remain an afterthought.

    We have no choice but to completely DRAIN THE SWAMP. President Trump has already started cleaning house, but every day will be an uphill battle — and we need to be prepared to go into the trenches to FIGHT BACK.

    Asking for support, of course. They should have it.

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    • Replies: @utu
    I like this letter and the indication that Steve Bannon is still in. I thought that after April 4 we was totally sidelined but apparently he decided and perhaps was asked by Trump to stay to wait for better times with Trump. Bannon is the most crucial component in my opinion. Only he really does understand what is it all about because he possesses right intellectual tools like knowledge of writings of critics of the modern age, say Evola and the 19 and early 20 century teachings of Roman Catholic Church on social economics justice. He has ideological spine. He is not a fish like all the other fishes that do not even know that they swim in the water. But he does and he knows that water must be changed.
  122. @Michael Kenny
    I think Trump’s sacking of Comey was a panic reaction to MacronLeaks, which proves that the “Russian thing” is not a made-up story. The parallels: a populist (Trump, Le Pen), a moderate candidate (Clinton, Fillon) who is being discredited and an outsider (Sanders, Macron). The scam was to get Fillon into the second round, discredit him and hope that enough of Macron’s voters would abstain to turn Le Pen’s minority support into a majority. Mediapart caused the scam to go off at half cock, propelling a squeaky clean Macron into the second round. The abstentionist scam also failed inasmuch as it effected both Macron and Le Pen to almost equal degrees, leaving the overall result unchanged. A hasty last minute panic attempt to discredit Macron was so totally botched that the hackers left a trail of evidence, leading to at least one identified Russian and two identified US alt-right figures, one of whom worked for the Trump campaign. The ongoing French criminal investigation will probably bring more names to light. Trump was probably scared of Comey co-operating with the French investigation.
    Now, Trump appears to have revealed to Lavrov information which Trump’s reaction to press reports suggests he didn’t even know was classified or that it had been shared with the US by Israel on the basis that it would be kept secret. Hence Trump’s confused reaction: first, he didn’t do it, then he was entitled to do it. The latter is legally true, but can a president make a rational decision to declassify information if he doesn’t even know it’s classified in the first place?
    Thus, no deep, dark conspiracy. Just Trump’s political naiveté. The same naiveté that allowed him to be manipulated by Putin’s American supporters.

    Now, Trump appears to have revealed to Lavrov information which Trump’s reaction to press reports suggests he didn’t even know was classified or that it had been shared with the US by Israel on the basis that it would be kept secret.

    The obvious question is, How does the public know what Trump said to Lavrov in the Oval Office?

    Did Trump reveal it?
    Did Lavrov?

    Or did the Israelis?

    If the Israelis, how did they know what Trump said to Lavrov in the Oval Office?
    And for what purpose did the Israelis reveal a communication between Trump and Lavrov in the Oval Office?

    Was it another exercise in the system anon described: the Bolsheviks did it [to] send a clear message that ‘there is no going back’. http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/comey-the-saturday-night-massacre/#comment-1874319

    Israelis leaked what Trump said to Lavrov in order to tell Trump and the American — and all people — that Jews are in charge, they are everywhere, they hear everything.


    btw — where is the Kagan clan holding forth these days?
    Does Meyrav Wurmser keep herself busy changing the sunflower wreath on her front door, or are she and hubby David pursuing other interests?
    What’s Ash Carter up to in his retirement?
    Is Michele Flournoy adjusting well to not being Hillary’s SecDef?

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  123. @Michael Kenny
    I think Trump’s sacking of Comey was a panic reaction to MacronLeaks, which proves that the “Russian thing” is not a made-up story. The parallels: a populist (Trump, Le Pen), a moderate candidate (Clinton, Fillon) who is being discredited and an outsider (Sanders, Macron). The scam was to get Fillon into the second round, discredit him and hope that enough of Macron’s voters would abstain to turn Le Pen’s minority support into a majority. Mediapart caused the scam to go off at half cock, propelling a squeaky clean Macron into the second round. The abstentionist scam also failed inasmuch as it effected both Macron and Le Pen to almost equal degrees, leaving the overall result unchanged. A hasty last minute panic attempt to discredit Macron was so totally botched that the hackers left a trail of evidence, leading to at least one identified Russian and two identified US alt-right figures, one of whom worked for the Trump campaign. The ongoing French criminal investigation will probably bring more names to light. Trump was probably scared of Comey co-operating with the French investigation.
    Now, Trump appears to have revealed to Lavrov information which Trump’s reaction to press reports suggests he didn’t even know was classified or that it had been shared with the US by Israel on the basis that it would be kept secret. Hence Trump’s confused reaction: first, he didn’t do it, then he was entitled to do it. The latter is legally true, but can a president make a rational decision to declassify information if he doesn’t even know it’s classified in the first place?
    Thus, no deep, dark conspiracy. Just Trump’s political naiveté. The same naiveté that allowed him to be manipulated by Putin’s American supporters.

    Michael Kenny, where did you come from? You got 7 comments so far.

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  124. @Andrei Martyanov

    I agree fully with RobinG’s take on Bernie: with his support of the Russian conspiracy theory he has gone over to the dark side.
     
    He never left it to start with, he always was there (on the dark side)--the guy is as shallow and as manipulating as they come. Current American political class , despite some important and high profile exceptions, is a wasteland of corruption, ignorance and malfeasance.

    ” The guy (BS) is a shallow and as manipulating as they come”

    Amen bro, he turns my stomach, but what can one expect from his lunatic ilk.

    The Germans, as crazy as they are, they were hoping either he or HC would win the election.
    They absolutely abhor DT, and I am beginning to really grasp Winston C’s “boots or throat” theory.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet and pro jazz musician.

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  125. @aceofspades
    What it's really going to come down to are the midterm elections in 2018. If the democrats get a majority in the house and senate, they can just invent any reason to impeach trump. Probably many establishment republicans will join them as well.

    What it’s really going to come down to are the midterm elections in 2018. If the democrats get a majority in the house and senate, they can just invent any reason to impeach trump. Probably many establishment republicans will join them as well.

    Yes, the entire corrupt establishment will go after our leader.
    Donald do as much damage as you can before they get you!!

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  126. I’ll humor the increasingly out-to-lunch Mr. Giraldi.

    Are there important people who want to oust Donald Trump? Of course there are. And knowing that, Trump should be watching his step. He should be acting cautiously, intelligently and carefully. He should refraining from saying and doing stupid, embarrassing things.

    Can even his biggest fans pretend that Trump has done that?

    There’s no need for a Deep State conspiracy to undermine Trump, because Trump is doing such a great job making HIMSELF look foolish. dangerous, irresponsible and crazy.

    Trump’s fans HAD to know he was a clown. They HAD to know he was hopelessly incompetent. They HAD to know he was every bit the sphincter he’s always appeared to be.

    If Philip Giraldi and others somehow convinced themselves Trump was anything BUT a moronic dilettante, they should be ashamed and humiliated.

    But they’re not, of course. It’s easier to pretend that Trump is a genius being undermined by da Jooz.

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    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    " There’s no need for a Deep State conspiracy to undermine Trump, "

    It seems quite obvious to me that they feel the need.
    After his last talk with Lavrov it seems to me that Trump wants friendly relations with Russia.
    So NATO and EU must be very unsure if their plans for subjugating Russia one way or another can be realised.
    The Ukraine ruling oligarchy must be very nervous.
    Israel is getting more than nervous, what if Trump in cooperation with Russia brings peace in the ME ?
    It might be possible even that Trump with Russia want to end the Israeli Palestinian conflict, Israel retiring from what they occupied in and since 1967.
    On top of all this misery, Trump might allow European countries to have normal relations with Russia, thus disintegrating the EU.
    So there is all the need in the world for Deep State to get rid of Trump one way or another, through media undermining, through impeachment, or even more ruthless methods.
    But it is a dangerous game for Deep State, if the Trump voters understand what's going on, and if those in Europe fed up with the EU understand what's going on.

    , @Z-man
    Hey 'Wet-One' Trump may not be a genius, may be a clown at times and definitely has diarrhea of the mouth but his policies before his election* to POTUS were populist & right on and just what this nation and Western Civilization needs. If you don't think 'Da Deep State with Da Big Joo' ain't involved in undermining Trump then it's you that is the moron or to be more kind naïve.

    *Before being hemmed in by the corrupt Washington/Globalist establishment his campaign policies/statements were right on.
    1.Friends with Russia-No argument there.
    2.NATO is obsolete-If we are going to defend Georgia, and I don't mean Atlanta, you bet it's obsolete.
    3.Better trade deals with China, Mexico and the rest. Protect American manufacturing.
    4.Build that wall. National sovereignty, protect the border or there is no nation.
    5.Go after the hedge fund 'managers'. That died quickly, sad. I still have hopes that he will go after 'Them Jooz' someday. (Grin)
    6.He wanted to tax the rich but has been predictably side tracked in by the Republitards.
    Nuff Said
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " Because DT is doing a great job making himself look foolish , dangerous foolish and irresponsible and crazy"

    Okay so you are still in deep pain because HRC did not win , this however does not give you license to speak for DT's supporters.
    I myself am a fervent DT supporter , and I see within him none of the negative attributes you are trying to pin upon him.
    What I do see is a strata of insane HRC fans who cannot come to grips with their justified loss, period.
    You apparently have never seen the clip of HRC laughing like a deranged psychopath after the execution of Gadaffi, but of course, you brainwashed democrat sheep never fail to give one of your own a free pass.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.
  127. @RobinG
    Letter from Team Trump today:

    You already knew the media was out to get us.

    But sadly it’s not just the fake news… There are people within our own unelected bureaucracy that want to sabotage President Trump and our entire America First movement.

    Steve Bannon was right when he said, “If you think they’re going to give you your country back without a fight, you’re sadly mistaken. Every day is going to be a fight. That is the promise of Donald Trump.”

    They don’t want it to be America First. They want it to be Special Interests first to enrich themselves all while the citizens of our country remain an afterthought.

    We have no choice but to completely DRAIN THE SWAMP. President Trump has already started cleaning house, but every day will be an uphill battle -- and we need to be prepared to go into the trenches to FIGHT BACK.
     
    Asking for support, of course. They should have it.

    I like this letter and the indication that Steve Bannon is still in. I thought that after April 4 we was totally sidelined but apparently he decided and perhaps was asked by Trump to stay to wait for better times with Trump. Bannon is the most crucial component in my opinion. Only he really does understand what is it all about because he possesses right intellectual tools like knowledge of writings of critics of the modern age, say Evola and the 19 and early 20 century teachings of Roman Catholic Church on social economics justice. He has ideological spine. He is not a fish like all the other fishes that do not even know that they swim in the water. But he does and he knows that water must be changed.

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  128. @annamaria
    "Murdered DNC Staffer Seth Rich Shared 44,053 Democrat Emails With WikiLeaks: Report"
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-16/murdered-dnc-staffer-seth-rich-shared-44000-emails-wikileaks
    "My investigation up to this point shows there was some degree of email exchange between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks," Wheeler told Fox News. "I do believe that the answers to who murdered Seth Rich sits on his computer on a shelf at the DC police or FBI headquarters. My investigation shows someone within the D.C. government, Democratic National Committee or Clinton team is blocking the murder investigation from going forward,” Wheeler told Fox News. “That is unfortunate. Seth Rich’s murder is unsolved as a result of that.”

    Hi annamaria

    You’ve touched the forbidden fruit no one seem dare talk about, or in the words of WikLeaks associate and former British Foreign Service Officer Craig Murray:

    “I know who leaked them. I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things”

    Relevant to this, is where I disagree with Phil on Parry; regardless of what one might think of Assange, Murray’s word should be the gold standard, he is a dissident former UK ambassador who left the service because he couldn’t stomach the double-dealings of the western democracies, e.g. too cozy with the dirt concerning certain filthy autocrats, as a principled stance. I don’t believe for a moment Parry (or McGovern) is unaware of Murray but here is Parry, in the 13 May article Phil mentions, leaving the door open to false narrative that should have been foreclosed:

    “There’s not even any public evidence from U.S. government agencies that Russia did “meddle” in the 2016 election or – even if Russia did slip Democratic emails to WikiLeaks (which WikiLeaks denies) – there has been zero evidence that the scheme resulted from collusion with Trump’s campaign”

    So, why is the Seth Rich story, or the fact Craig Murray (without naming names) has flat-out stated he had met with the DNC source of the leaked mails, treated as radioactive? My sense has been, for quite some time, Parry attacks false narrative with alternative false narrative and the present controversy does nothing to change my view. Meanwhile, this 2 minute clip of a Dutch tv interview with Assange is quite interesting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp7FkLBRpKg

    There is stronger evidence Seth Rich was assassinated for leaking the DNC mails than anything (nothing, actually) provided by American intelligence for a Russian hack. What has the Russia drama served? Clearly, it has detracted from the CONTENT of those mails. That had to have been a consideration when Brennan’s CIA initiated the false-flag ‘Russia hack’ stories via its favorite presstitutes (to use a Paul Craig Roberts expression.) If Parry was competent (or practicing real journalism), he would cover this aspect. Like most, he won’t touch it.

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    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov

    You’ve touched the forbidden fruit no one seem dare talk about
     
    The real forbidden fruit is a degree to which current D.C. is reminiscent of this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine_runaway

    ramifications of this are global in nature and are clear and present danger to what's left of US Republic, the name of the killer (murderer) of Seth Rich regardless. This whole runaway process is now on a global display and real reputational and, after that, political, economic and other damage to the nation is so massive and with so far reaching consequences that it would take some time to grasp what it will require to recover at least anything, if at all, of remaining American institutions. Speaking in broadsides, United States right now is more and more reminiscent of third world nation politically, while US political and "elite" class (including its allegedly "intelligence" institutions), granted with some notable exceptions, would hardly qualify to run some sub-Saharan African hell-hole. It must be stopped or we all may face a very grim future. I still do have hopes, however. We'll see.
    , @RobinG
    Craig Murray didn't say he met with the source. He may have known who that was, but he met an intermediary.
  129. @Greg (Boz) Wetton
    I'll humor the increasingly out-to-lunch Mr. Giraldi.

    Are there important people who want to oust Donald Trump? Of course there are. And knowing that, Trump should be watching his step. He should be acting cautiously, intelligently and carefully. He should refraining from saying and doing stupid, embarrassing things.

    Can even his biggest fans pretend that Trump has done that?

    There's no need for a Deep State conspiracy to undermine Trump, because Trump is doing such a great job making HIMSELF look foolish. dangerous, irresponsible and crazy.

    Trump's fans HAD to know he was a clown. They HAD to know he was hopelessly incompetent. They HAD to know he was every bit the sphincter he's always appeared to be.

    If Philip Giraldi and others somehow convinced themselves Trump was anything BUT a moronic dilettante, they should be ashamed and humiliated.

    But they're not, of course. It's easier to pretend that Trump is a genius being undermined by da Jooz.

    ” There’s no need for a Deep State conspiracy to undermine Trump, ”

    It seems quite obvious to me that they feel the need.
    After his last talk with Lavrov it seems to me that Trump wants friendly relations with Russia.
    So NATO and EU must be very unsure if their plans for subjugating Russia one way or another can be realised.
    The Ukraine ruling oligarchy must be very nervous.
    Israel is getting more than nervous, what if Trump in cooperation with Russia brings peace in the ME ?
    It might be possible even that Trump with Russia want to end the Israeli Palestinian conflict, Israel retiring from what they occupied in and since 1967.
    On top of all this misery, Trump might allow European countries to have normal relations with Russia, thus disintegrating the EU.
    So there is all the need in the world for Deep State to get rid of Trump one way or another, through media undermining, through impeachment, or even more ruthless methods.
    But it is a dangerous game for Deep State, if the Trump voters understand what’s going on, and if those in Europe fed up with the EU understand what’s going on.

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    • Replies: @alexander
    Are you suggesting....

    Trump and Putin ,working "together", could actually END our stupid ....STUPID....wars ?

    Trump and Putin, working together, might save American taxpayers 15 trillion dollars in
    Neocon perpetual war costs ?

    Trump and Putin , working together, might actually be able to forge some lasting "peace" and "good will" in the Middle East ?

    Trump and Putin, working together, could enforce a reasonably "just and fair" resolution to Israel/Palestine ?.

    Dear Sir, if what you are suggesting is TRUE, then there is no DOUBT..... President Trump must be "impeached"...... Right away !

    Right Away !
  130. Considering the current day sophistication of the Psyop Business, I have to wonder if the latest wave of attacks on Trump are nothing more than a feinting strategy to get Trump’s disaffected base (since he has now become a flaming neocon) back into his camp.

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  131. @Ronald Thomas West
    Hi annamaria

    You've touched the forbidden fruit no one seem dare talk about, or in the words of WikLeaks associate and former British Foreign Service Officer Craig Murray:

    “I know who leaked them. I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things”

    Relevant to this, is where I disagree with Phil on Parry; regardless of what one might think of Assange, Murray's word should be the gold standard, he is a dissident former UK ambassador who left the service because he couldn't stomach the double-dealings of the western democracies, e.g. too cozy with the dirt concerning certain filthy autocrats, as a principled stance. I don't believe for a moment Parry (or McGovern) is unaware of Murray but here is Parry, in the 13 May article Phil mentions, leaving the door open to false narrative that should have been foreclosed:

    "There’s not even any public evidence from U.S. government agencies that Russia did “meddle” in the 2016 election or – even if Russia did slip Democratic emails to WikiLeaks (which WikiLeaks denies) – there has been zero evidence that the scheme resulted from collusion with Trump’s campaign"

    So, why is the Seth Rich story, or the fact Craig Murray (without naming names) has flat-out stated he had met with the DNC source of the leaked mails, treated as radioactive? My sense has been, for quite some time, Parry attacks false narrative with alternative false narrative and the present controversy does nothing to change my view. Meanwhile, this 2 minute clip of a Dutch tv interview with Assange is quite interesting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp7FkLBRpKg

    There is stronger evidence Seth Rich was assassinated for leaking the DNC mails than anything (nothing, actually) provided by American intelligence for a Russian hack. What has the Russia drama served? Clearly, it has detracted from the CONTENT of those mails. That had to have been a consideration when Brennan's CIA initiated the false-flag 'Russia hack' stories via its favorite presstitutes (to use a Paul Craig Roberts expression.) If Parry was competent (or practicing real journalism), he would cover this aspect. Like most, he won't touch it.

    You’ve touched the forbidden fruit no one seem dare talk about

    The real forbidden fruit is a degree to which current D.C. is reminiscent of this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine_runaway

    ramifications of this are global in nature and are clear and present danger to what’s left of US Republic, the name of the killer (murderer) of Seth Rich regardless. This whole runaway process is now on a global display and real reputational and, after that, political, economic and other damage to the nation is so massive and with so far reaching consequences that it would take some time to grasp what it will require to recover at least anything, if at all, of remaining American institutions. Speaking in broadsides, United States right now is more and more reminiscent of third world nation politically, while US political and “elite” class (including its allegedly “intelligence” institutions), granted with some notable exceptions, would hardly qualify to run some sub-Saharan African hell-hole. It must be stopped or we all may face a very grim future. I still do have hopes, however. We’ll see.

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    In the macro-cosmic sense, a runaway diesel is very apropos metaphor for the larger American political institution. For Donald Trump to bring this phenomenon under control, would require a several-fold miracle. Above all, he would require discovery in himself of a grounded ethical being that may not exist in the DNA of his experience.

    Even if he could find that (easiest aspect of practically no chance) requiring he dump nearly all of his present staff, inclusive of firing his son-in-law and demand his vice president resign (there is no precedent for that I know of), and place interest of the people above all these vested criminal interests, how would any competent help he might find survive the sewage grinder that is required confirmation by Congress, as well, the cancer of executive institutions that are corrupt across the board at senior management level; not to mention a politicized and often corrupt judiciary ... and defeat a press long co-opted by habit of incest with both; military industrial personalities and so-called 'intelligence' agencies, all combining to create the memes driving the insanity? "Hope spring eternal" is the cynical folk wisdom.

    The USA has experienced amoral leadership at least since the presidency of Andrew Jackson (Jackson once said of a Supreme Court decision he did not like: "John Marshall has said what the law is, now let him enforce it") but it was the National Security Act of 1947 ultimately usurped the checks on fascism in the USA; when 'color of law' supplanted the 1st through 8th amendments to the USA's founding law. The American Constitution is nothing short of a corrupt, corporate umbrella now. It has been patently suborned and there is no indication of a competent judiciary capable of structuring the law back into the service of the people.

    I do believe it was the Supreme Court of the State of Montana wrote what is utimately the rule of law's epitaph for the USA:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Tradition_Partnership,_Inc._v._Montana#Opinion_of_the_Montana_Supreme_Court

    Despite my own cynicism, let me add I much appreciate your thoughtful comment -
  132. @Greg (Boz) Wetton
    I'll humor the increasingly out-to-lunch Mr. Giraldi.

    Are there important people who want to oust Donald Trump? Of course there are. And knowing that, Trump should be watching his step. He should be acting cautiously, intelligently and carefully. He should refraining from saying and doing stupid, embarrassing things.

    Can even his biggest fans pretend that Trump has done that?

    There's no need for a Deep State conspiracy to undermine Trump, because Trump is doing such a great job making HIMSELF look foolish. dangerous, irresponsible and crazy.

    Trump's fans HAD to know he was a clown. They HAD to know he was hopelessly incompetent. They HAD to know he was every bit the sphincter he's always appeared to be.

    If Philip Giraldi and others somehow convinced themselves Trump was anything BUT a moronic dilettante, they should be ashamed and humiliated.

    But they're not, of course. It's easier to pretend that Trump is a genius being undermined by da Jooz.

    Hey ‘Wet-One’ Trump may not be a genius, may be a clown at times and definitely has diarrhea of the mouth but his policies before his election* to POTUS were populist & right on and just what this nation and Western Civilization needs. If you don’t think ‘Da Deep State with Da Big Joo’ ain’t involved in undermining Trump then it’s you that is the moron or to be more kind naïve.

    *Before being hemmed in by the corrupt Washington/Globalist establishment his campaign policies/statements were right on.
    1.Friends with Russia-No argument there.
    2.NATO is obsolete-If we are going to defend Georgia, and I don’t mean Atlanta, you bet it’s obsolete.
    3.Better trade deals with China, Mexico and the rest. Protect American manufacturing.
    4.Build that wall. National sovereignty, protect the border or there is no nation.
    5.Go after the hedge fund ‘managers’. That died quickly, sad. I still have hopes that he will go after ‘Them Jooz’ someday. (Grin)
    6.He wanted to tax the rich but has been predictably side tracked in by the Republitards.
    Nuff Said

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  133. @Ronald Thomas West
    Hi annamaria

    You've touched the forbidden fruit no one seem dare talk about, or in the words of WikLeaks associate and former British Foreign Service Officer Craig Murray:

    “I know who leaked them. I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things”

    Relevant to this, is where I disagree with Phil on Parry; regardless of what one might think of Assange, Murray's word should be the gold standard, he is a dissident former UK ambassador who left the service because he couldn't stomach the double-dealings of the western democracies, e.g. too cozy with the dirt concerning certain filthy autocrats, as a principled stance. I don't believe for a moment Parry (or McGovern) is unaware of Murray but here is Parry, in the 13 May article Phil mentions, leaving the door open to false narrative that should have been foreclosed:

    "There’s not even any public evidence from U.S. government agencies that Russia did “meddle” in the 2016 election or – even if Russia did slip Democratic emails to WikiLeaks (which WikiLeaks denies) – there has been zero evidence that the scheme resulted from collusion with Trump’s campaign"

    So, why is the Seth Rich story, or the fact Craig Murray (without naming names) has flat-out stated he had met with the DNC source of the leaked mails, treated as radioactive? My sense has been, for quite some time, Parry attacks false narrative with alternative false narrative and the present controversy does nothing to change my view. Meanwhile, this 2 minute clip of a Dutch tv interview with Assange is quite interesting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp7FkLBRpKg

    There is stronger evidence Seth Rich was assassinated for leaking the DNC mails than anything (nothing, actually) provided by American intelligence for a Russian hack. What has the Russia drama served? Clearly, it has detracted from the CONTENT of those mails. That had to have been a consideration when Brennan's CIA initiated the false-flag 'Russia hack' stories via its favorite presstitutes (to use a Paul Craig Roberts expression.) If Parry was competent (or practicing real journalism), he would cover this aspect. Like most, he won't touch it.

    Craig Murray didn’t say he met with the source. He may have known who that was, but he met an intermediary.

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    Robin G says: "Craig Murray didn’t say he met with the source"

    Murray said (and I quote him again)

    "...I’ve met the person who leaked them..."
  134. I’m not a lawyer or professor so what do I know, but it seems to me that from Day 1 (really Day -389) Trump has not been able to blow his nose without generating “a firestorm of criticism.” When we elected Trump we elected a tough guy. He’s the President now, so he should kick tail. Somebody should tell him about how Lincoln and Roosevelt treated people who gave them a hard time. Okay, he doesn’t have a lot of allies. But his genius has always been to turn the attacker’s momentum against them, like a martial artist. It should be obvious to more than enough citizens that the media is out to get him, as are the elites of both parties and various people oft described as “hacks.” His popular support is fine: he won the white vote overwhelmingly and let’s face it, those are the people he needs behind him, since the others will routinely support the Dems. He has the Alt Right ready to go ballistic against his critics to provide balance in storm-the-Bastille situations should they arise. The Sanders wing has essentially lost interest in the Trump Russia ‘scandal’ as evidenced by videos on such channels as Jimmy Dore, Young Turks, Democracy Now, etc. The progressives hate Clinton and Pelosi and resent their blaming Hillary’s defeat on Russia, preferring the explanation that she was a lousy candidate who betrayed the progressives and the people. Russia expert and Nation editor Steve Cohen is passionately in Trump’s corner. So why doesn’t he say “Enough is enough” and clean house with a meat cleaver, the rapier being too slow under the circumstances? Didn’t Clapper commit a serious crime? Why not prosecute? What about Hillary? Many say this is her doing, to make the case that she wuz robbed so she can run in 2020. Lock her up! Isn’t there a way to force out the names of those who leaked the unmasked names? Prosecute them for felonies! And while we’re at it, how about the IRS? Didn’t they commit any crimes by selective auditing of conservatives? And the LAST thing a strong politician fears is the charge of hypocrisy. Was it Emerson who said “consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, little statesmen, philosophers and divines”? Trump’s a big tough guy so let him start acting like one. Indeed the single most irritating quality of the establishment right is its obsession with finding fresh hypocrisy to whine about, in lieu of ever formulating a plan and kicking butt, like the left always does. As the helpfully sane Ann Coulter says, I want to win NOW, not NEXT TIME. Indeed she could have said that in 1994 when Bill Kristol was calling for a “twenty year debate” before moving forward on the abortion issue — just long enough to ensure it would be next to impossible to win. When Giraldi says Trump’s critics should “take a valium” he seems to be implying that they are sincerely concerned about the Right and the Good. Was he born yesterday? The bastards need to be defeated, not convinced. If democracy required convincing your critics there would be no laws at all.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    The bastards need to be defeated, not convinced.

    Hear! Hear!
    , @Authenticjazzman
    Agree totally with your accessment, however none of these necessary actions will ever occur as long as they, the democrats, own, hold and swing the "racism" bludgeon, whenever they cannot stand up to naked facts.
    The only remedy to this crazy checkmate is for DT and any testicled Republicans to start their own campaign of racist labeling, in other words DT should use the expressions "racist" and "racism" in any and all issues, he should label the NYT as "racist" , he should label HC as "racist", which is true anyway, he should label the old scumbag BC as "racist", he should bring up the history of the KKK daily, and on and on.
    US school kids are lectured on the KKK almost daily, however they are never informed as to it's origins.
    I know this sounds bizarre and spacey, but it is the only solution and if nothing else would work this would.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.
    , @Get it right
    Excellent points. (The only disagreement I have is re. Ann Coulter..personally can't stand that crone, but that's incidental.)

    Trump's reluctance to come out swinging suggests he has a plan and is biding his time or he's afraid his opponents have something incriminating they can hold over him. A third possibility is that he's in over his head and out of his comfort zone. I tend to think it's the latter. He's not a politician and politics is not like the business world. On top of that he's under attack 24/7 by the entire establishment, his people are being targeted and taken out, there's a rat (or rats) in the WH leaking to the press and some of the people closest to him (e.g. Pence) are probably not trustworthy and others (Tillerson) are incompetent to the point of being dangerous. That's gotta be taking its toll on him and he's not the youngest kid on the block. If the coup succeeds there will be massive repercussions for western civilization.

    And you are absolutely right about a growing number of disenchanted lefties looking to join the right in a united front against Hillary and the coup plotters. They might not like Trump very much but they see that Hillary would have started WWIII by now, Sanders is a turncoat establishment stooge and Trump's removal would result in a neocon taking his place and destroy the last remnant of American democracy. There seems to be a split opening up on the left between those who call themselves liberals and progressives and those who reject those labels and what they stand for as tainted.

    This is not going to stop. The pressure will be kept up, sometimes more, sometimes less but it will always be there. Their goal is to depose Trump and put one of their liberal/neocon globalist butchers into the WH. Everyone who opposes these psychopaths needs to focus on fighting the enemy and not get distracted by the divide and rule tactics and interference being run by the coup poltting scumbags.
  135. @Uncle Joe
    I'm not a lawyer or professor so what do I know, but it seems to me that from Day 1 (really Day -389) Trump has not been able to blow his nose without generating "a firestorm of criticism." When we elected Trump we elected a tough guy. He's the President now, so he should kick tail. Somebody should tell him about how Lincoln and Roosevelt treated people who gave them a hard time. Okay, he doesn't have a lot of allies. But his genius has always been to turn the attacker's momentum against them, like a martial artist. It should be obvious to more than enough citizens that the media is out to get him, as are the elites of both parties and various people oft described as "hacks." His popular support is fine: he won the white vote overwhelmingly and let's face it, those are the people he needs behind him, since the others will routinely support the Dems. He has the Alt Right ready to go ballistic against his critics to provide balance in storm-the-Bastille situations should they arise. The Sanders wing has essentially lost interest in the Trump Russia 'scandal' as evidenced by videos on such channels as Jimmy Dore, Young Turks, Democracy Now, etc. The progressives hate Clinton and Pelosi and resent their blaming Hillary's defeat on Russia, preferring the explanation that she was a lousy candidate who betrayed the progressives and the people. Russia expert and Nation editor Steve Cohen is passionately in Trump's corner. So why doesn't he say "Enough is enough" and clean house with a meat cleaver, the rapier being too slow under the circumstances? Didn't Clapper commit a serious crime? Why not prosecute? What about Hillary? Many say this is her doing, to make the case that she wuz robbed so she can run in 2020. Lock her up! Isn't there a way to force out the names of those who leaked the unmasked names? Prosecute them for felonies! And while we're at it, how about the IRS? Didn't they commit any crimes by selective auditing of conservatives? And the LAST thing a strong politician fears is the charge of hypocrisy. Was it Emerson who said "consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, little statesmen, philosophers and divines"? Trump's a big tough guy so let him start acting like one. Indeed the single most irritating quality of the establishment right is its obsession with finding fresh hypocrisy to whine about, in lieu of ever formulating a plan and kicking butt, like the left always does. As the helpfully sane Ann Coulter says, I want to win NOW, not NEXT TIME. Indeed she could have said that in 1994 when Bill Kristol was calling for a "twenty year debate" before moving forward on the abortion issue -- just long enough to ensure it would be next to impossible to win. When Giraldi says Trump's critics should "take a valium" he seems to be implying that they are sincerely concerned about the Right and the Good. Was he born yesterday? The bastards need to be defeated, not convinced. If democracy required convincing your critics there would be no laws at all.

    The bastards need to be defeated, not convinced.

    Hear! Hear!

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  136. @jilles dykstra
    " There’s no need for a Deep State conspiracy to undermine Trump, "

    It seems quite obvious to me that they feel the need.
    After his last talk with Lavrov it seems to me that Trump wants friendly relations with Russia.
    So NATO and EU must be very unsure if their plans for subjugating Russia one way or another can be realised.
    The Ukraine ruling oligarchy must be very nervous.
    Israel is getting more than nervous, what if Trump in cooperation with Russia brings peace in the ME ?
    It might be possible even that Trump with Russia want to end the Israeli Palestinian conflict, Israel retiring from what they occupied in and since 1967.
    On top of all this misery, Trump might allow European countries to have normal relations with Russia, thus disintegrating the EU.
    So there is all the need in the world for Deep State to get rid of Trump one way or another, through media undermining, through impeachment, or even more ruthless methods.
    But it is a dangerous game for Deep State, if the Trump voters understand what's going on, and if those in Europe fed up with the EU understand what's going on.

    Are you suggesting….

    Trump and Putin ,working “together”, could actually END our stupid ….STUPID….wars ?

    Trump and Putin, working together, might save American taxpayers 15 trillion dollars in
    Neocon perpetual war costs ?

    Trump and Putin , working together, might actually be able to forge some lasting “peace” and “good will” in the Middle East ?

    Trump and Putin, working together, could enforce a reasonably “just and fair” resolution to Israel/Palestine ?.

    Dear Sir, if what you are suggesting is TRUE, then there is no DOUBT….. President Trump must be “impeached”…… Right away !

    Right Away !

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  137. The anti White party* has their special prosecutor hopefully they will be totally absorbed in their claim that it’s treason or something for the President to speak with ambassadors and visiting foreign secretaries that they will delay the ethnic cleansing of White Americans for a few months.

    * Anti White Party =Democrats

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  138. @SolontoCroesus

    Nothing wrong with consumerism, it being the natural state of affairs ever since the apple was bitten. And the condition which keeps the human mind from straying to worse alternatives.
     
    If consumerism is so omnipresent, why did the German people have to be subjected to psychological warfare tactics to embrace it?

    As I recall the tale you allude to, the main characters lived in a state of harmony with nature, their needs supplied sufficiently by nature. The serpent induced them to seek to exceed the sufficiency of 'nature's god.' Does your interpretation mean you are on the side of the serpent?

    Like Germania, for example. On balance I am confident your median European doesn’t miss the Prussian, feels quite relieved living with a Germany restricted to selling their manufacture instead of applying them on the rest of the continent.
     
    Morgenthau 2.01.
    The threat of Prussian militarism was and remains a figment of British as well as Jewish hyperventilation. In the first half of 1933 James Waterman Wise published a broadside, labeling the swastika a "symbol of hatred of Jews," five years before any German Jew had been harmed by NSDAP, and at a time when Germany's neighbors had a military advantage of at least 12:1.
    Cycle back to that serpent, the father of lies.

    Modern Art or traditional art? Would you include Adolf’s masterpieces in the latter category? I hear they fetch a few pfennigs from the truly discerning collector.
     
    It seems to me the people of a nation should be the ones to decide on the art that expresses their identity.
    From the late 1930s Erich Mendelsohn lectured on the necessity to destroy a people's native legacy to embrace, in its stead, his artistic vision --

    But in order to reeducate the people at large, beautiful per se, to that beautiful end, to rebuild their towns and dwellings—the visible expression, the broad acre of their social and civic consciousness—the people themselves must first experience the fight for existence, experience personal danger and common sacrifice, the turmoil of mechanized battles, the mental preparedness for being blotted out at a second’s notice. (Mendelsohn, April 1942)
     
    In that same period -- early in 1942 -- Mendelsohn assisted the US Air Force in perfecting methods of destroying the housing of working-class German civilians by creating firestorms. In his plan, even "infants in their cribs" were targeted for "being blotted out at a second's notice," in preparation for "rebuilding their towns and dwellings."

    As Cora Sol Goldstein reports in "Capturing the German Eye," what remained of German art -- the expression of a people's identity-- after the firebombers did their work was destroyed by primarily Jewish agents working under the umbrella of US occupying forces but contrary to the wishes of military as well as US Congressional leadership. Jews were intent on imposing their will on a prostrate German people, and of erasing their sense of German -- and Christian -- identity. Jews in Germany were determined that the serpent would prevail over the Christ; as E Michael Jones has argued, in rejecting Jesus, Jews rejected logos, the rational order of the universe and of nature.

    The German people were the test case for the process that Naomi Klein called Shock Doctrine; they have been mentally and spiritually colonized by the proponents of anti-logos and the worshippers of consumerism.

    “If consumerism is so omnipresent, why did the German people have to be subjected to psychological warfare tactics to embrace it?”

    Please specify the “psychological warfare tactics” to which you refer. Germans didn’t sell/buy from each other prior to WW1/WW2? 1870-71?

    “[ first half of 1933] five years before any German Jew had been harmed by NSDAP.”

    No Jews were killed ot victimized before ‘38? Are you serious? Off your meds? Tell that to Walther Ratenau (murdered ‘22). Ah, you’ll say – was that the NSDAP? Dolf was on record condemning Jews from June ‘20 in barroom lectures. It was popular. Intimidation, on-street random beatings, curtailment of civil rights, withdrawal of the means to make a living, extortion (exit visas, business licenses, etc.), etc. What’s not to love S2C? They hadn’t been “harmed”?

    “The threat of Prussian militarism was and remains a figment of British as well as Jewish hyperventilation.”

    I’m so glad. can’t wait to tell my Belgian and French cousins. Invaded, robbed, murdered, imprisoned, enslaved – it was all “a figment of British as well as Jewish hyperventilation.”

    “From the late 1930s Erich Mendelsohn lectured on the necessity to destroy a people’s native legacy.”

    Your quote dates from April ‘42, well after your Führer declared war on the US, well after the real killing started in the east. You assert lectures from “the late 1930s. Please provide quotes with dates.

    “In that same period — early in 1942 — Mendelsohn assisted the US Air Force in perfecting methods of destroying the housing of working-class German civilians by creating firestorms.”

    Dugway proving ground in Utah? Constructed in 1943? Ordinance tests in the desert? Bogus “late 1930s” quotes vs. 1943 tests? Have you no shame?

    Tell us, S2C, how did Hugo Sperrle’s Condor Legion test Nazi blitz tactics? Guernica 26 April ‘37 ring a bell? 1600 killed? 900 wounded? Why bother with testing on inanimate targets when you can destroy existing towns, kill people and get a genuine body count? Whoops, in your world it’s the Nazis that are the only victims. Forgot. Sorry.

    “Morgenthau 2.01.”

    Lightweight Morgenthau? Denied his wishes by FDR? That’s the best you’ve got?

    You’re always silent when asked to explain your Führer’s orders to completely destroy Germany in ‘45. Speer’s rendition:

    “If the war is lost, the nation will also perish. This fate is inevitable. There is no necessity to take into consideration the basis which the people will need to continue even a most primitive existence. On the contrary, it will be better to destroy these things ourselves, because this nation will have proved to be the weaker one and the future will belong solely to the stronger eastern nation. Besides, those who will remain after the battle are only the inferior ones, for the good ones have all been killed.”
    -Adolf Hitler to Albert Speer, March 1945

    Golly, S2C. What do you say? Dolf seems far more hostile to Germany than poor little Morgenthau. Time to turn turtle and play dead again? “tl;dr”? Can’t blame you. Your trajectory seems ever more into bleak self-delusion.

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    “If consumerism is so omnipresent, why did the German people have to be subjected to psychological warfare tactics to embrace it?”

    Please specify the “psychological warfare tactics” to which you refer.
     

    see http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/are-they-really-out-to-get-trump/#comment-1874174
    Capturing the German Eye

    on record condemning Jews from June ‘20 in barroom lectures. It was popular.
     
    Yes it was popular to blame the Jews, as NSDAP was gathering strength. But according to Prof. David Engel in "Understanding the Holocaust," after Jan. 1933 Hitler paid relatively little attention to Jews and did not use anti Jewish rhetoric in speeches; NSDAP had other, rather substantial priorities, upon which the party delivered, btw.

    Intimidation, on-street random beatings,
     
    Those things pertained prior to Hitler taking power, in the context of Communist gangs; of poverty and misery on the German street that ordinary Germans blamed on war profiteers and financiers. In other words, attacks on Jews (as well as others) bubbled up from the street, not down from NSDAP leadership. Upon consolidating power, NSDAP "quelled physical violence against Jews." Among other things, this was accomplished by putting Germans to work.

    curtailment of civil rights, withdrawal of the means to make a living
     
    Inasmuch as Louis Brandeis directed -- sometime before mid-February 1933-- that "all Jews must leave Germany;" and since we know from Francis Nicosia that zionists operated all over Europe, especially in Germany, to persuade and assist Jews to leave Germany, it's not implausible that the actions you complain of were taken in collaboration with zionists.

    Your quote dates from April ‘42, well after your Führer declared war on the US, well after the real killing started in the east. You assert lectures from “the late 1930s. Please provide quotes with dates.
     
    It's not my job; if you don't believe the assertions, prove them wrong.

    Dugway proving ground in Utah? Constructed in 1943? Ordinance tests in the desert? Bogus “late 1930s” quotes vs. 1943 tests? Have you no shame?
     
    Where does Mendelsohn's role in planning and practicing the incineration of "infants in cribs" lie on the shame scale?

    Whoops, in your world it’s the Nazis that are the only victims. Forgot. Sorry.
     
    Don't be a jerk, I.


    In 2015 Robert Cohen wrote:


    Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews. - http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited/#sthash.YJuBxkee.dpuf
     
    Try this exercise: select any major public library system in the USA.
    Search for books on 'holocaust.'
    Then search for books on firebombing of Germany and Japan.
    Is the tally a bit lopsided, I?

    Or try this: how many Hollywood movies made on the "infants in cribs" killed by Allied firebombing?
    Kurt Vonnegut wrote Slaughterhouse Five in the mid-1950s,
    He wrote:


    "I wrote the Air Force back then, asking for details about the raid on Dresden, who ordered it, how many planes did it, why they did it, what desirable results there had been and so on. I was answered by a man who, like myself, was in public relations. He said that he was sorry, but that the information was top secret still. "
     
    Do American schoolchildren read the diary of a German mother who saw her infant reduced to a carbon stain?
    How many American schoolchildren have heard of Dugway? Or of US firebombing raids. Or can tell the number of German (and French and Italian) cities destroyed by US and Allied fire bombing raids?

    Or inform us of this: how many Jewish people died in firebombing raids on German cities?

    --

    A couple Jewish movie producers made a film from photos and home movies that Eva Braun made. No sound had been recorded so they had people lip-read and created the dialogue; Albert Speer was called in to validate the whole shebang. Speer knew a good thing when he saw it -- he was able to save his ass. Maybe he was scrupulously honest. Maybe he was saying what he had to say to steer clear of dangling piano wire. Hard to know. I don't put much credence in Speer's recollections of Hitler's statements.

    "Dolf" is not my "Fuhrer," Incitatus. Adolf Hitler was the leader of a nation that was drawn into a war of previously unimagined brutality. The full story of that war has not yet been told honestly and fully.
    I think it needs to be told -- fully and honestly-- because people like George H W Bush and his son were the leaders of my nation, and they used the Hollywood/ propaganda version of that war -- the same one you rely upon -- to involve my country in an illegitimate and immoral war. The American public is still propagandized to believe that their "victory" in WWII embued them with special virtue that causes them to be oblivious to the mass murder that was carried out in their name in that war, and that is carried out, in their name, in Iraq, Syria, Libya; and that is planned to be carried out in Iran.

    I don't know how much deeper in moral degradation the American people can sink before they are irredeemable. Waging war on Iran might signify that point of no return. I'd like to do what I can to prevent that, as much for my own (and my children's and grandchildren's) nation as for the Iranian people. I don't have a $3.8 billion slush fund to use to lie to the American people; all I can do is tell what facts I think I know, as insistently as seems effective.

    , @SolontoCroesus
    re: propagandizing "consumerism" as mentioned in "Capturing the German Eye: American Visual Propaganda in Occupied Germany," by Cora Sol Goldstein---

    selected shorts:

    "The central goal of democratization created a paradoxical situation. A military government involved in nation building is by definition an authoritarian regime. Its success in imposing new values depends, in large part, on maintaining a monopoly of violence. Force is needed to guarantee law and order, and to make possible the control and manipulation of information in the occupied area."
     

    ". . . cultural policy as a component of psychological warfare. . . .Recent studies on democratization by force, which often posit Germany as a model of success, also bypass the issue of strategic propaganda.4
    The assumption seems to be that the key to imposing democracy is changing the institutional framework.
    It is only recently that scholars interested in the history of Germany in the immediate aftermath of World War II have begun to unravel the role of information control and propaganda in the OMGUS project. There are now thorough studies on American atrocity propaganda, press policy, film policy, music policy, art policy, and theater policy in occupied Germany."
     

    " To compare American propaganda policies in postwar Germany with those of the Nazis or the Soviets would, during the Cold War, have been deemed preposterous or anti American. Now, however, it is evident that the United States also used culture as a political weapon. "
     

    "From] 1945 to 1949 . . . the U S Army and OMGUS produced successive visual narratives of German fascism and of German-American relations, employing images to attack and discredit first the Nazis and later the Communists. The content changed as American strategic and tactical needs in Europe shifted, but visual propaganda remained essential to American denzaification and reeducation efforts. The Americans censored images and relied on film, photography, and the fine arts to project their political agenda and to seduce, dissuade, and control the German population in the American zone and sector.
     

    "visual propaganda has always been as important as verbal messages. Images are often more effective than words in capturing the attention of the viewer, and they are better able than written and oral texts to crystallize sentiments. Images simplify and convince. If something is visually represented, viewers tend to assume that it happened, that it exists, that it is true."
     

    "The suppression of familiar visual elements attenuates memories; the continuous iteration of images creates new memories. Through either mechanism, visual propaganda can subtly, yet rapidly, change our points of reference and lead to profound changes of worldview. "
     

    "the Third Reich placed great effort into mass indoctrination through visual propaganda. . . . In 1936 they purged German museums and galleries of modern art, and in July 1937 organized the “Degenerate Art Exhibit” to show the German people that modern art was the product of the infirm, the insane, and the decrepit. [and] flooded the visual domain with images that implicitly or explicitly promoted Nazi ideals . . .This radical remodeling of the visual sphere set limits to the imagination; anything that differed from the normative paradigms of the regime was deemed abnormal. By controlling what the German people saw and the context in which they saw it, the National Socialist government attempted to create a coherent new world devoid of dissonances and heterogeneity."
     
    [Query: Should a community have the right to strongly influence its own cultural preferences?]

    "During World War II, the U S government had also relied heavily on visual propaganda. In June 1942 the Roosevelt administration created the Office of War Information (OWI) to shape American public opinion and encourage prowar sentiments. The agency sought to explain the war to American civilians, to mobilize the home front, to increase morale, and to indoctrinate American soldiers . . . . the easiest way to transmit propaganda effectively was through film, especially when spectators were unaware that they were being propagandized. Therefore, Hollywood was conscripted for the war effort. Under the guidance of the OWI, Hollywood produced feature films intended to educate, inspire, and entertain, and military training films to teach soldiers why they were fighting and how to fight. The relationship between the OWI and Hollywood amounted to a virtual merger between the state and the movie industry with the goal of shaping American public opinion "
     

    "In April 1945, in the immediate aftermath of the liberation of the Nazi extermination and concentration camps, American visual propaganda had its greatest impact both at home and in Germany. Photography made the concentration camps real to the American public and constructed a new image of German criminality. In Germany, the U S Army designed the “atrocity propaganda policy,” an exercise in politics and punishment through visual means. Through photography, film, and forced visits to the camps, Germans were made to SEE Nazi crimes. A central goal was to replace the image of the Third Reich constructed by the Nazi propaganda machine with the image of mass atrocity. Months later, the Americans used visual material gathered at the camps — films, photographs, and objects — as evidence in the Nuremberg trials. The photographic image of the concentration and extermination camp system became, retroactively, the defining representation of the Nazi genocidal project."
     
    [As the film, "Imaginary Witness" reveals, Hollywood studio directors -- all Jewish -- were called upon by Eisenhower to enter the camps before anybody else. The film explains that their primary goal was to capture -- or create -- an emotional impact --"verisimilitude" -- not forensic evidence. Indeed, as most are aware, crucial elements of the "iconic" images used as "atrocity propaganda" and later as "evidence in Nuremberg trials" were contrived -- i.e. lampshades and shrunken heads -- or deceptively identified -- i.e. the death and destruction at Nordhausen was ascribed to Germans, when it was the result of Allied aerial bombing and follow-up strafing.]

    "The American government sequestered all films produced by Nazi Germany and classified them as poisonous material. This was a campaign of radical visual censorship.
    Moreover, the U S military government used the American experience in visual indoctrination and propaganda to sell private enterprise, consumerism, democracy, and liberal capitalism in occupied Germany.
    The Americans were the global leaders in film, advertising, and marketing in the 1940s, and film was central to this process of indoctrination."
     
    [The implication is that German culture was not sufficiently committed to "private enterprise, consumerism, . . . liberal capitalism.]

    These declarations, combined with the body of statements and actions that preceded US involvement in war and the actors who engaged them, suggests that the pre-ordained goal of war against Germany was not merely regime-change but culture-cide. The Allied campaign against Germany was not a war in any Clausewitzian sense: for one thing, on the day Pearl Harbor, there existed no casus belli between USA and Germany. The same pattern defines every subsequent American "war." US actions in WWII set an extremely troubling pattern that deviated diametrically from that envisioned by US founders, but that has prevailed since then.
  139. “They are on board the ship.”
    So
    “They are on board the process.”

    Where did that “of” come from?

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    In answer to PG's question: it might all be theater to beguile the masses. Whatever the case, chaos reigns.

    Since at least the middle of the 19th century, It has been a technique of TPTB-- certainly in Blighty-- to sow confusion, an early example being Madame Blavatsky and Theosophy. The general technique, I suggest, is to keep the chattering classes fully preoccupied with various nonsense on several fronts, such as the so-called Lewinsky affair, while more significant even sinister machinations continue undisturbed behind the curtain.

    Anyway, where was all this self-righteous media indignation and hysteria when Bush-either one-invaded Iraq?

  140. @Michael Kenny
    I think Trump’s sacking of Comey was a panic reaction to MacronLeaks, which proves that the “Russian thing” is not a made-up story. The parallels: a populist (Trump, Le Pen), a moderate candidate (Clinton, Fillon) who is being discredited and an outsider (Sanders, Macron). The scam was to get Fillon into the second round, discredit him and hope that enough of Macron’s voters would abstain to turn Le Pen’s minority support into a majority. Mediapart caused the scam to go off at half cock, propelling a squeaky clean Macron into the second round. The abstentionist scam also failed inasmuch as it effected both Macron and Le Pen to almost equal degrees, leaving the overall result unchanged. A hasty last minute panic attempt to discredit Macron was so totally botched that the hackers left a trail of evidence, leading to at least one identified Russian and two identified US alt-right figures, one of whom worked for the Trump campaign. The ongoing French criminal investigation will probably bring more names to light. Trump was probably scared of Comey co-operating with the French investigation.
    Now, Trump appears to have revealed to Lavrov information which Trump’s reaction to press reports suggests he didn’t even know was classified or that it had been shared with the US by Israel on the basis that it would be kept secret. Hence Trump’s confused reaction: first, he didn’t do it, then he was entitled to do it. The latter is legally true, but can a president make a rational decision to declassify information if he doesn’t even know it’s classified in the first place?
    Thus, no deep, dark conspiracy. Just Trump’s political naiveté. The same naiveté that allowed him to be manipulated by Putin’s American supporters.

    Except Trump has been saying nationalist things about borders and trade for a long time. The reality was that he was the only guy from the GOP who could have gotten Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. These ideas could have been used by ANYBODY GOP or Democrat to win. Bernie Sanders was making hay with it until the DNC pulled him aside and told him to suck up to Black Lives Matter.

    Your story is just too convoluted compared to the simple fact that Trump said what a lot of Americans have been saying but that Washington politicians have been intentionally ignoring for years to the benefit of the donor class.

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  141. @Sam Shama
    [Hah! If there ever is a “Zion-gate investigation” it will be run by the Jews! ]

    We also keep the gates of heaven.

    Atzmon is mad. I think his mother has some explaining to do.

    Atzmon is not mad at all… but he makes Zionist shills and liars, such as yourself, very mad!

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  142. […] The Unz Review: Are They Really Out to Get Trump? Sometimes paranoia is justified By PHILIP GIRALDI […]

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  143. @RobinG
    Craig Murray didn't say he met with the source. He may have known who that was, but he met an intermediary.

    Robin G says: “Craig Murray didn’t say he met with the source”

    Murray said (and I quote him again)

    “…I’ve met the person who leaked them…”

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    Link? And while you're at it, define leaked. (I.E., do you consider Gavin MacFadyen a leaker?)

    I'll admit to having parsed Murray's statements with heightened interest since I've reconnoitered that stretch of woods with the local commissioner, locating sewerage overflow outlets.
  144. @Flavius
    As a rule, incompetence and stupidity are sufficent to explain a situation that is FUBAR. It is a mistake to regard the FBI's investigation, and reinvestigation, of the Clinton e mail dereliction as an investigation. To anybody who is familiar with what a high profile criminal investigation conducted by the FBI is supposed to look like, the Clinton investigation is not it. The FBI brought to bear virtually none of the procedures and techniques it would have used in a case involving a Chicago City Alderman. The Clinton investigation did not even amount to a poor counterfeit. Comey bears complete responsibility for not drawing a line under the fiasco early on. If he had, his tenure would have ended with a respectable bang; as it is, despite the ridiculous and self-contradictory bellowing from variously aggrieved, it actually ended with a pathetic whimper. Nobody but nobody will have the slightest difficulty getting over the departure of Jim Comey.

    Comey bears complete responsibility for not drawing a line under the fiasco early on.

    Comey’s main job was to give Hillary and Barry “protection.”

    Quite likely Comey’s acts and omissions make him an accomplice with Hillary herself in the murder of Seth Rich.

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  145. @Incitatus
    “If consumerism is so omnipresent, why did the German people have to be subjected to psychological warfare tactics to embrace it?”

    Please specify the “psychological warfare tactics” to which you refer. Germans didn’t sell/buy from each other prior to WW1/WW2? 1870-71?

    “[ first half of 1933] five years before any German Jew had been harmed by NSDAP.”

    No Jews were killed ot victimized before ‘38? Are you serious? Off your meds? Tell that to Walther Ratenau (murdered ‘22). Ah, you’ll say - was that the NSDAP? Dolf was on record condemning Jews from June ‘20 in barroom lectures. It was popular. Intimidation, on-street random beatings, curtailment of civil rights, withdrawal of the means to make a living, extortion (exit visas, business licenses, etc.), etc. What’s not to love S2C? They hadn’t been “harmed”?

    “The threat of Prussian militarism was and remains a figment of British as well as Jewish hyperventilation.”

    I’m so glad. can’t wait to tell my Belgian and French cousins. Invaded, robbed, murdered, imprisoned, enslaved - it was all “a figment of British as well as Jewish hyperventilation.”

    “From the late 1930s Erich Mendelsohn lectured on the necessity to destroy a people’s native legacy.”

    Your quote dates from April ‘42, well after your Führer declared war on the US, well after the real killing started in the east. You assert lectures from “the late 1930s. Please provide quotes with dates.

    “In that same period — early in 1942 — Mendelsohn assisted the US Air Force in perfecting methods of destroying the housing of working-class German civilians by creating firestorms.”

    Dugway proving ground in Utah? Constructed in 1943? Ordinance tests in the desert? Bogus "late 1930s" quotes vs. 1943 tests? Have you no shame?

    Tell us, S2C, how did Hugo Sperrle’s Condor Legion test Nazi blitz tactics? Guernica 26 April ‘37 ring a bell? 1600 killed? 900 wounded? Why bother with testing on inanimate targets when you can destroy existing towns, kill people and get a genuine body count? Whoops, in your world it’s the Nazis that are the only victims. Forgot. Sorry.

    "Morgenthau 2.01."

    Lightweight Morgenthau? Denied his wishes by FDR? That’s the best you’ve got?

    You’re always silent when asked to explain your Führer’s orders to completely destroy Germany in ‘45. Speer’s rendition:

    “If the war is lost, the nation will also perish. This fate is inevitable. There is no necessity to take into consideration the basis which the people will need to continue even a most primitive existence. On the contrary, it will be better to destroy these things ourselves, because this nation will have proved to be the weaker one and the future will belong solely to the stronger eastern nation. Besides, those who will remain after the battle are only the inferior ones, for the good ones have all been killed.”
    -Adolf Hitler to Albert Speer, March 1945

    Golly, S2C. What do you say? Dolf seems far more hostile to Germany than poor little Morgenthau. Time to turn turtle and play dead again? “tl;dr”? Can’t blame you. Your trajectory seems ever more into bleak self-delusion.

    “If consumerism is so omnipresent, why did the German people have to be subjected to psychological warfare tactics to embrace it?”

    Please specify the “psychological warfare tactics” to which you refer.

    see http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/are-they-really-out-to-get-trump/#comment-1874174
    Capturing the German Eye

    on record condemning Jews from June ‘20 in barroom lectures. It was popular.

    Yes it was popular to blame the Jews, as NSDAP was gathering strength. But according to Prof. David Engel in “Understanding the Holocaust,” after Jan. 1933 Hitler paid relatively little attention to Jews and did not use anti Jewish rhetoric in speeches; NSDAP had other, rather substantial priorities, upon which the party delivered, btw.

    Intimidation, on-street random beatings,

    Those things pertained prior to Hitler taking power, in the context of Communist gangs; of poverty and misery on the German street that ordinary Germans blamed on war profiteers and financiers. In other words, attacks on Jews (as well as others) bubbled up from the street, not down from NSDAP leadership. Upon consolidating power, NSDAP “quelled physical violence against Jews.” Among other things, this was accomplished by putting Germans to work.

    curtailment of civil rights, withdrawal of the means to make a living

    Inasmuch as Louis Brandeis directed — sometime before mid-February 1933– that “all Jews must leave Germany;” and since we know from Francis Nicosia that zionists operated all over Europe, especially in Germany, to persuade and assist Jews to leave Germany, it’s not implausible that the actions you complain of were taken in collaboration with zionists.

    Your quote dates from April ‘42, well after your Führer declared war on the US, well after the real killing started in the east. You assert lectures from “the late 1930s. Please provide quotes with dates.

    It’s not my job; if you don’t believe the assertions, prove them wrong.

    Dugway proving ground in Utah? Constructed in 1943? Ordinance tests in the desert? Bogus “late 1930s” quotes vs. 1943 tests? Have you no shame?

    Where does Mendelsohn’s role in planning and practicing the incineration of “infants in cribs” lie on the shame scale?

    Whoops, in your world it’s the Nazis that are the only victims. Forgot. Sorry.

    Don’t be a jerk, I.

    In 2015 Robert Cohen wrote:

    Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews. – http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited/#sthash.YJuBxkee.dpuf

    Try this exercise: select any major public library system in the USA.
    Search for books on ‘holocaust.’
    Then search for books on firebombing of Germany and Japan.
    Is the tally a bit lopsided, I?

    Or try this: how many Hollywood movies made on the “infants in cribs” killed by Allied firebombing?
    Kurt Vonnegut wrote Slaughterhouse Five in the mid-1950s,
    He wrote:

    “I wrote the Air Force back then, asking for details about the raid on Dresden, who ordered it, how many planes did it, why they did it, what desirable results there had been and so on. I was answered by a man who, like myself, was in public relations. He said that he was sorry, but that the information was top secret still. “

    Do American schoolchildren read the diary of a German mother who saw her infant reduced to a carbon stain?
    How many American schoolchildren have heard of Dugway? Or of US firebombing raids. Or can tell the number of German (and French and Italian) cities destroyed by US and Allied fire bombing raids?

    Or inform us of this: how many Jewish people died in firebombing raids on German cities?

    A couple Jewish movie producers made a film from photos and home movies that Eva Braun made. No sound had been recorded so they had people lip-read and created the dialogue; Albert Speer was called in to validate the whole shebang. Speer knew a good thing when he saw it — he was able to save his ass. Maybe he was scrupulously honest. Maybe he was saying what he had to say to steer clear of dangling piano wire. Hard to know. I don’t put much credence in Speer’s recollections of Hitler’s statements.

    “Dolf” is not my “Fuhrer,” Incitatus. Adolf Hitler was the leader of a nation that was drawn into a war of previously unimagined brutality. The full story of that war has not yet been told honestly and fully.
    I think it needs to be told — fully and honestly– because people like George H W Bush and his son were the leaders of my nation, and they used the Hollywood/ propaganda version of that war — the same one you rely upon — to involve my country in an illegitimate and immoral war. The American public is still propagandized to believe that their “victory” in WWII embued them with special virtue that causes them to be oblivious to the mass murder that was carried out in their name in that war, and that is carried out, in their name, in Iraq, Syria, Libya; and that is planned to be carried out in Iran.

    I don’t know how much deeper in moral degradation the American people can sink before they are irredeemable. Waging war on Iran might signify that point of no return. I’d like to do what I can to prevent that, as much for my own (and my children’s and grandchildren’s) nation as for the Iranian people. I don’t have a $3.8 billion slush fund to use to lie to the American people; all I can do is tell what facts I think I know, as insistently as seems effective.

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    Interesting post S2C.

    I’ll start with your conclusion. Concerns about American militarism? Having protested every war since Vietnam, I share that priority. Kuwait ‘91 and ‘03, Libya, Syria, etc. Scroll though my posts - you’ll find calls for indictment and trials (Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Rice, etc) you might agree with. I missed your posts - no mystery, I don’t read everything on UNZ. Give me the links. You’re a talented author and I’m sure I can learn from them.

    American militarism. Big subject. Quite a few victims. Why not trace it from King Philip’s War - Acadian Expulsion, Eastern Native Nation Expulsions, Mexican War, Civil War, Native American Extermination, Spanish American War, Manifest Destiny, etc. There’s a lot of material there. You seem to always gravitate to 20C Germany. Why S2C?

    Here’s what’s really mystifying. You object to American militarism but completely deny 20C German militarism:

    “The threat of Prussian militarism was and remains a figment of British as well as Jewish hyperventilation.”

    Who invaded neighbors in WW1 and WW2 S2C? Wilhelmine and Nazi Germany are prime cautionary tales on militarism and aggression that all can learn from. It destroyed their country. You’re correct - we don’t learn. But it seems you seek the wrong lessons from the wrong sources.

    Hint. It’s not because of Louis Brandeis or Eric Mendolsohn (no favorites of mine). You seem to drag them in as a fig leaf to obscure (justify?) German crimes. Just like the Jewish Boycott in ‘33. Do you admit any German crimes? Tell us: does Germany own any blame for WW1 and WW2? Give us a percent. Did France and Belgium order the German mobilization and invasion in 1914? Did Poland order the Wehrmacht invasion in ‘39? Was WW1 all the Freemasons and Jews (as Willie said in ‘26)?

    “How many American schoolchildren have heard of Dugway?”

    How many have heard of Guernica ‘37? Warsaw ‘39? Rotterdam ‘40? Be honest. The majority of US college graduates think American rebels fought France 1775-83, so ‘American schoolchildren’ are hardly reliable talismans of intelligence. More’s the pity. Do you think more books on Dugway will change that? They've probably heard of Alamogordo, Trinity, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And Hanoi. Not that many remember it. Does it make a difference? I wish it did.

    “Where does Mendelsohn’s role in planning and practicing the incineration of “infants in cribs” lie on the shame scale?”

    What of Germans who “planned and practiced the incineration of ‘infants in cribs’” at Guernica ‘37? Warsaw ‘39? Rotterdam ‘40? Liège and Leuvan? Where do they “lie on the shame scale?”

    How many German children read the diary of a Polish mother whose infant was “reduced to a carbon stain” when Wolfram Freiherr von Richtofen used incendiaries, as well as gp bombs, in reducing Warsaw in ‘39? 25,000 died (about the same as Dresden in ‘45). Any tears for them?

    Libraries. Holocaust books outnumber those on fire bombings. Well, I’m all for more discussions of Hap Arnold, Curtis LeMay, and ‘Bomber’ Harris. But what exactly are you saying? We should restrict Holocaust books to parity with those on the fire bombings? Or increase the books on fire-bombings? Anything keeping you from writing one?

    “how many Jewish people died in firebombing raids on German cities?”

    Please tell us why that’s significant. Are Jews deficient in bombing victimhood? Causal in WW1 and WW2? Don’t dance around it. Come right out and tell us what you think.

    “[Please provide quotes with dates] It’s not my job; if you don’t believe the assertions, prove them wrong.”

    You post anything you want and, when asked for sources, claim your readers have the task to prove you wrong? What’s next? You’re God, and it’s up to us to prove you’re wrong?

    “...after Jan. 1933 Hitler paid relatively little attention to Jews and did not use anti Jewish rhetoric in speeches; NSDAP had other, rather substantial priorities, upon which the party delivered, btw

    Nothing new there. Hitler had to behave until he could rearm. International relations were key. Meantime “attacks on Jews (as well as others) bubbled up from the street, not down from NSDAP.” Correct. The SA settled scores and incited street violence, Hitler posed as benign Jove - an arbitrator staying the hand of popular vengeance. While he engineered laws that stripped Jews of their rights, property and means to a living. The ‘Law Concerning the Reestablishment of a Professional Civil Service” 7 April ‘33 expelled Jews from government service. The establishment of the Reich Cultural Chamber followed in Nov ‘33. You couldn’t belong if Jewish, couldn’t make a living in the arts if you didn’t belong. Why S2C?

    Many more ‘topdown’ Jovian laws were in-acted before ‘38. They plucked all rights (and money) from Jews while posing them as protective measures. Surprise, surprise. I won’t bore you with the laws, body count, forced emigration, money collected (mostly dedicated to rearmament).

    “I’d like to do what I can to prevent that [waging war on Iran], as much for my own (and my children’s and grandchildren’s) nation as for the Iranian people.”

    Couldn’t agree more. But how does rehabilitating Nazi Germany - the worst specter of 20C militancy - prevent that?
    , @Kilo 4/11
    Well said Solonto. Many of us non-nazis still want to preserve and protect what is and was valuable in Germany, and part of that involves telling the WW 2 story "honestly and fully". And as you say, that has yet to be done. We must also work our way, truthfully, out of holocaust guilt.

    Quickly, re Speer: Guderian in Panzer Leader corroborates much of what Speer claims about Hitler's intent to destroy German infrastructure. The general details his efforts to countermand these efforts, and laments that he was only partially successful.
  146. @Andrei Martyanov

    You’ve touched the forbidden fruit no one seem dare talk about
     
    The real forbidden fruit is a degree to which current D.C. is reminiscent of this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine_runaway

    ramifications of this are global in nature and are clear and present danger to what's left of US Republic, the name of the killer (murderer) of Seth Rich regardless. This whole runaway process is now on a global display and real reputational and, after that, political, economic and other damage to the nation is so massive and with so far reaching consequences that it would take some time to grasp what it will require to recover at least anything, if at all, of remaining American institutions. Speaking in broadsides, United States right now is more and more reminiscent of third world nation politically, while US political and "elite" class (including its allegedly "intelligence" institutions), granted with some notable exceptions, would hardly qualify to run some sub-Saharan African hell-hole. It must be stopped or we all may face a very grim future. I still do have hopes, however. We'll see.

    In the macro-cosmic sense, a runaway diesel is very apropos metaphor for the larger American political institution. For Donald Trump to bring this phenomenon under control, would require a several-fold miracle. Above all, he would require discovery in himself of a grounded ethical being that may not exist in the DNA of his experience.

    Even if he could find that (easiest aspect of practically no chance) requiring he dump nearly all of his present staff, inclusive of firing his son-in-law and demand his vice president resign (there is no precedent for that I know of), and place interest of the people above all these vested criminal interests, how would any competent help he might find survive the sewage grinder that is required confirmation by Congress, as well, the cancer of executive institutions that are corrupt across the board at senior management level; not to mention a politicized and often corrupt judiciary … and defeat a press long co-opted by habit of incest with both; military industrial personalities and so-called ‘intelligence’ agencies, all combining to create the memes driving the insanity? “Hope spring eternal” is the cynical folk wisdom.

    The USA has experienced amoral leadership at least since the presidency of Andrew Jackson (Jackson once said of a Supreme Court decision he did not like: “John Marshall has said what the law is, now let him enforce it”) but it was the National Security Act of 1947 ultimately usurped the checks on fascism in the USA; when ‘color of law’ supplanted the 1st through 8th amendments to the USA’s founding law. The American Constitution is nothing short of a corrupt, corporate umbrella now. It has been patently suborned and there is no indication of a competent judiciary capable of structuring the law back into the service of the people.

    I do believe it was the Supreme Court of the State of Montana wrote what is utimately the rule of law’s epitaph for the USA:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Tradition_Partnership,_Inc._v._Montana#Opinion_of_the_Montana_Supreme_Court

    Despite my own cynicism, let me add I much appreciate your thoughtful comment -

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  147. @Ronald Thomas West
    Robin G says: "Craig Murray didn’t say he met with the source"

    Murray said (and I quote him again)

    "...I’ve met the person who leaked them..."

    Link? And while you’re at it, define leaked. (I.E., do you consider Gavin MacFadyen a leaker?)

    I’ll admit to having parsed Murray’s statements with heightened interest since I’ve reconnoitered that stretch of woods with the local commissioner, locating sewerage overflow outlets.

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    I see the anaerobe is getting demanding. Here's the link:

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/12/cias-absence-conviction/

    As for the rest of your demand, I don't care (to indulge anaerobes)
  148. @RobinG
    Link? And while you're at it, define leaked. (I.E., do you consider Gavin MacFadyen a leaker?)

    I'll admit to having parsed Murray's statements with heightened interest since I've reconnoitered that stretch of woods with the local commissioner, locating sewerage overflow outlets.

    I see the anaerobe is getting demanding. Here’s the link:

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/12/cias-absence-conviction/

    As for the rest of your demand, I don’t care (to indulge anaerobes)

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  149. @Uncle Joe
    I'm not a lawyer or professor so what do I know, but it seems to me that from Day 1 (really Day -389) Trump has not been able to blow his nose without generating "a firestorm of criticism." When we elected Trump we elected a tough guy. He's the President now, so he should kick tail. Somebody should tell him about how Lincoln and Roosevelt treated people who gave them a hard time. Okay, he doesn't have a lot of allies. But his genius has always been to turn the attacker's momentum against them, like a martial artist. It should be obvious to more than enough citizens that the media is out to get him, as are the elites of both parties and various people oft described as "hacks." His popular support is fine: he won the white vote overwhelmingly and let's face it, those are the people he needs behind him, since the others will routinely support the Dems. He has the Alt Right ready to go ballistic against his critics to provide balance in storm-the-Bastille situations should they arise. The Sanders wing has essentially lost interest in the Trump Russia 'scandal' as evidenced by videos on such channels as Jimmy Dore, Young Turks, Democracy Now, etc. The progressives hate Clinton and Pelosi and resent their blaming Hillary's defeat on Russia, preferring the explanation that she was a lousy candidate who betrayed the progressives and the people. Russia expert and Nation editor Steve Cohen is passionately in Trump's corner. So why doesn't he say "Enough is enough" and clean house with a meat cleaver, the rapier being too slow under the circumstances? Didn't Clapper commit a serious crime? Why not prosecute? What about Hillary? Many say this is her doing, to make the case that she wuz robbed so she can run in 2020. Lock her up! Isn't there a way to force out the names of those who leaked the unmasked names? Prosecute them for felonies! And while we're at it, how about the IRS? Didn't they commit any crimes by selective auditing of conservatives? And the LAST thing a strong politician fears is the charge of hypocrisy. Was it Emerson who said "consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, little statesmen, philosophers and divines"? Trump's a big tough guy so let him start acting like one. Indeed the single most irritating quality of the establishment right is its obsession with finding fresh hypocrisy to whine about, in lieu of ever formulating a plan and kicking butt, like the left always does. As the helpfully sane Ann Coulter says, I want to win NOW, not NEXT TIME. Indeed she could have said that in 1994 when Bill Kristol was calling for a "twenty year debate" before moving forward on the abortion issue -- just long enough to ensure it would be next to impossible to win. When Giraldi says Trump's critics should "take a valium" he seems to be implying that they are sincerely concerned about the Right and the Good. Was he born yesterday? The bastards need to be defeated, not convinced. If democracy required convincing your critics there would be no laws at all.

    Agree totally with your accessment, however none of these necessary actions will ever occur as long as they, the democrats, own, hold and swing the “racism” bludgeon, whenever they cannot stand up to naked facts.
    The only remedy to this crazy checkmate is for DT and any testicled Republicans to start their own campaign of racist labeling, in other words DT should use the expressions “racist” and “racism” in any and all issues, he should label the NYT as “racist” , he should label HC as “racist”, which is true anyway, he should label the old scumbag BC as “racist”, he should bring up the history of the KKK daily, and on and on.
    US school kids are lectured on the KKK almost daily, however they are never informed as to it’s origins.
    I know this sounds bizarre and spacey, but it is the only solution and if nothing else would work this would.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  150. @Greg (Boz) Wetton
    I'll humor the increasingly out-to-lunch Mr. Giraldi.

    Are there important people who want to oust Donald Trump? Of course there are. And knowing that, Trump should be watching his step. He should be acting cautiously, intelligently and carefully. He should refraining from saying and doing stupid, embarrassing things.

    Can even his biggest fans pretend that Trump has done that?

    There's no need for a Deep State conspiracy to undermine Trump, because Trump is doing such a great job making HIMSELF look foolish. dangerous, irresponsible and crazy.

    Trump's fans HAD to know he was a clown. They HAD to know he was hopelessly incompetent. They HAD to know he was every bit the sphincter he's always appeared to be.

    If Philip Giraldi and others somehow convinced themselves Trump was anything BUT a moronic dilettante, they should be ashamed and humiliated.

    But they're not, of course. It's easier to pretend that Trump is a genius being undermined by da Jooz.

    ” Because DT is doing a great job making himself look foolish , dangerous foolish and irresponsible and crazy”

    Okay so you are still in deep pain because HRC did not win , this however does not give you license to speak for DT’s supporters.
    I myself am a fervent DT supporter , and I see within him none of the negative attributes you are trying to pin upon him.
    What I do see is a strata of insane HRC fans who cannot come to grips with their justified loss, period.
    You apparently have never seen the clip of HRC laughing like a deranged psychopath after the execution of Gadaffi, but of course, you brainwashed democrat sheep never fail to give one of your own a free pass.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  151. @Uncle Joe
    I'm not a lawyer or professor so what do I know, but it seems to me that from Day 1 (really Day -389) Trump has not been able to blow his nose without generating "a firestorm of criticism." When we elected Trump we elected a tough guy. He's the President now, so he should kick tail. Somebody should tell him about how Lincoln and Roosevelt treated people who gave them a hard time. Okay, he doesn't have a lot of allies. But his genius has always been to turn the attacker's momentum against them, like a martial artist. It should be obvious to more than enough citizens that the media is out to get him, as are the elites of both parties and various people oft described as "hacks." His popular support is fine: he won the white vote overwhelmingly and let's face it, those are the people he needs behind him, since the others will routinely support the Dems. He has the Alt Right ready to go ballistic against his critics to provide balance in storm-the-Bastille situations should they arise. The Sanders wing has essentially lost interest in the Trump Russia 'scandal' as evidenced by videos on such channels as Jimmy Dore, Young Turks, Democracy Now, etc. The progressives hate Clinton and Pelosi and resent their blaming Hillary's defeat on Russia, preferring the explanation that she was a lousy candidate who betrayed the progressives and the people. Russia expert and Nation editor Steve Cohen is passionately in Trump's corner. So why doesn't he say "Enough is enough" and clean house with a meat cleaver, the rapier being too slow under the circumstances? Didn't Clapper commit a serious crime? Why not prosecute? What about Hillary? Many say this is her doing, to make the case that she wuz robbed so she can run in 2020. Lock her up! Isn't there a way to force out the names of those who leaked the unmasked names? Prosecute them for felonies! And while we're at it, how about the IRS? Didn't they commit any crimes by selective auditing of conservatives? And the LAST thing a strong politician fears is the charge of hypocrisy. Was it Emerson who said "consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, little statesmen, philosophers and divines"? Trump's a big tough guy so let him start acting like one. Indeed the single most irritating quality of the establishment right is its obsession with finding fresh hypocrisy to whine about, in lieu of ever formulating a plan and kicking butt, like the left always does. As the helpfully sane Ann Coulter says, I want to win NOW, not NEXT TIME. Indeed she could have said that in 1994 when Bill Kristol was calling for a "twenty year debate" before moving forward on the abortion issue -- just long enough to ensure it would be next to impossible to win. When Giraldi says Trump's critics should "take a valium" he seems to be implying that they are sincerely concerned about the Right and the Good. Was he born yesterday? The bastards need to be defeated, not convinced. If democracy required convincing your critics there would be no laws at all.

    Excellent points. (The only disagreement I have is re. Ann Coulter..personally can’t stand that crone, but that’s incidental.)

    Trump’s reluctance to come out swinging suggests he has a plan and is biding his time or he’s afraid his opponents have something incriminating they can hold over him. A third possibility is that he’s in over his head and out of his comfort zone. I tend to think it’s the latter. He’s not a politician and politics is not like the business world. On top of that he’s under attack 24/7 by the entire establishment, his people are being targeted and taken out, there’s a rat (or rats) in the WH leaking to the press and some of the people closest to him (e.g. Pence) are probably not trustworthy and others (Tillerson) are incompetent to the point of being dangerous. That’s gotta be taking its toll on him and he’s not the youngest kid on the block. If the coup succeeds there will be massive repercussions for western civilization.

    And you are absolutely right about a growing number of disenchanted lefties looking to join the right in a united front against Hillary and the coup plotters. They might not like Trump very much but they see that Hillary would have started WWIII by now, Sanders is a turncoat establishment stooge and Trump’s removal would result in a neocon taking his place and destroy the last remnant of American democracy. There seems to be a split opening up on the left between those who call themselves liberals and progressives and those who reject those labels and what they stand for as tainted.

    This is not going to stop. The pressure will be kept up, sometimes more, sometimes less but it will always be there. Their goal is to depose Trump and put one of their liberal/neocon globalist butchers into the WH. Everyone who opposes these psychopaths needs to focus on fighting the enemy and not get distracted by the divide and rule tactics and interference being run by the coup poltting scumbags.

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    The longer it drags on then the more that various individuals will have to step forward and identify themselves and where they stand. DT will then know who is loyal and who is not. I wonder who are the really powerful players behind DT? or is it just more of the same as usual?
    Will there be a night of the long knives?
  152. @Incitatus
    “If consumerism is so omnipresent, why did the German people have to be subjected to psychological warfare tactics to embrace it?”

    Please specify the “psychological warfare tactics” to which you refer. Germans didn’t sell/buy from each other prior to WW1/WW2? 1870-71?

    “[ first half of 1933] five years before any German Jew had been harmed by NSDAP.”

    No Jews were killed ot victimized before ‘38? Are you serious? Off your meds? Tell that to Walther Ratenau (murdered ‘22). Ah, you’ll say - was that the NSDAP? Dolf was on record condemning Jews from June ‘20 in barroom lectures. It was popular. Intimidation, on-street random beatings, curtailment of civil rights, withdrawal of the means to make a living, extortion (exit visas, business licenses, etc.), etc. What’s not to love S2C? They hadn’t been “harmed”?

    “The threat of Prussian militarism was and remains a figment of British as well as Jewish hyperventilation.”

    I’m so glad. can’t wait to tell my Belgian and French cousins. Invaded, robbed, murdered, imprisoned, enslaved - it was all “a figment of British as well as Jewish hyperventilation.”

    “From the late 1930s Erich Mendelsohn lectured on the necessity to destroy a people’s native legacy.”

    Your quote dates from April ‘42, well after your Führer declared war on the US, well after the real killing started in the east. You assert lectures from “the late 1930s. Please provide quotes with dates.

    “In that same period — early in 1942 — Mendelsohn assisted the US Air Force in perfecting methods of destroying the housing of working-class German civilians by creating firestorms.”

    Dugway proving ground in Utah? Constructed in 1943? Ordinance tests in the desert? Bogus "late 1930s" quotes vs. 1943 tests? Have you no shame?

    Tell us, S2C, how did Hugo Sperrle’s Condor Legion test Nazi blitz tactics? Guernica 26 April ‘37 ring a bell? 1600 killed? 900 wounded? Why bother with testing on inanimate targets when you can destroy existing towns, kill people and get a genuine body count? Whoops, in your world it’s the Nazis that are the only victims. Forgot. Sorry.

    "Morgenthau 2.01."

    Lightweight Morgenthau? Denied his wishes by FDR? That’s the best you’ve got?

    You’re always silent when asked to explain your Führer’s orders to completely destroy Germany in ‘45. Speer’s rendition:

    “If the war is lost, the nation will also perish. This fate is inevitable. There is no necessity to take into consideration the basis which the people will need to continue even a most primitive existence. On the contrary, it will be better to destroy these things ourselves, because this nation will have proved to be the weaker one and the future will belong solely to the stronger eastern nation. Besides, those who will remain after the battle are only the inferior ones, for the good ones have all been killed.”
    -Adolf Hitler to Albert Speer, March 1945

    Golly, S2C. What do you say? Dolf seems far more hostile to Germany than poor little Morgenthau. Time to turn turtle and play dead again? “tl;dr”? Can’t blame you. Your trajectory seems ever more into bleak self-delusion.

    re: propagandizing “consumerism” as mentioned in “Capturing the German Eye: American Visual Propaganda in Occupied Germany,” by Cora Sol Goldstein—

    selected shorts:

    “The central goal of democratization created a paradoxical situation. A military government involved in nation building is by definition an authoritarian regime. Its success in imposing new values depends, in large part, on maintaining a monopoly of violence. Force is needed to guarantee law and order, and to make possible the control and manipulation of information in the occupied area.”

    “. . . cultural policy as a component of psychological warfare. . . .Recent studies on democratization by force, which often posit Germany as a model of success, also bypass the issue of strategic propaganda.4
    The assumption seems to be that the key to imposing democracy is changing the institutional framework.
    It is only recently that scholars interested in the history of Germany in the immediate aftermath of World War II have begun to unravel the role of information control and propaganda in the OMGUS project. There are now thorough studies on American atrocity propaganda, press policy, film policy, music policy, art policy, and theater policy in occupied Germany.”

    ” To compare American propaganda policies in postwar Germany with those of the Nazis or the Soviets would, during the Cold War, have been deemed preposterous or anti American. Now, however, it is evident that the United States also used culture as a political weapon. “

    “From] 1945 to 1949 . . . the U S Army and OMGUS produced successive visual narratives of German fascism and of German-American relations, employing images to attack and discredit first the Nazis and later the Communists. The content changed as American strategic and tactical needs in Europe shifted, but visual propaganda remained essential to American denzaification and reeducation efforts. The Americans censored images and relied on film, photography, and the fine arts to project their political agenda and to seduce, dissuade, and control the German population in the American zone and sector.

    “visual propaganda has always been as important as verbal messages. Images are often more effective than words in capturing the attention of the viewer, and they are better able than written and oral texts to crystallize sentiments. Images simplify and convince. If something is visually represented, viewers tend to assume that it happened, that it exists, that it is true.”

    “The suppression of familiar visual elements attenuates memories; the continuous iteration of images creates new memories. Through either mechanism, visual propaganda can subtly, yet rapidly, change our points of reference and lead to profound changes of worldview. “

    “the Third Reich placed great effort into mass indoctrination through visual propaganda. . . . In 1936 they purged German museums and galleries of modern art, and in July 1937 organized the “Degenerate Art Exhibit” to show the German people that modern art was the product of the infirm, the insane, and the decrepit. [and] flooded the visual domain with images that implicitly or explicitly promoted Nazi ideals . . .This radical remodeling of the visual sphere set limits to the imagination; anything that differed from the normative paradigms of the regime was deemed abnormal. By controlling what the German people saw and the context in which they saw it, the National Socialist government attempted to create a coherent new world devoid of dissonances and heterogeneity.”

    [Query: Should a community have the right to strongly influence its own cultural preferences?]

    “During World War II, the U S government had also relied heavily on visual propaganda. In June 1942 the Roosevelt administration created the Office of War Information (OWI) to shape American public opinion and encourage prowar sentiments. The agency sought to explain the war to American civilians, to mobilize the home front, to increase morale, and to indoctrinate American soldiers . . . . the easiest way to transmit propaganda effectively was through film, especially when spectators were unaware that they were being propagandized. Therefore, Hollywood was conscripted for the war effort. Under the guidance of the OWI, Hollywood produced feature films intended to educate, inspire, and entertain, and military training films to teach soldiers why they were fighting and how to fight. The relationship between the OWI and Hollywood amounted to a virtual merger between the state and the movie industry with the goal of shaping American public opinion

    “In April 1945, in the immediate aftermath of the liberation of the Nazi extermination and concentration camps, American visual propaganda had its greatest impact both at home and in Germany. Photography made the concentration camps real to the American public and constructed a new image of German criminality. In Germany, the U S Army designed the “atrocity propaganda policy,” an exercise in politics and punishment through visual means. Through photography, film, and forced visits to the camps, Germans were made to SEE Nazi crimes. A central goal was to replace the image of the Third Reich constructed by the Nazi propaganda machine with the image of mass atrocity. Months later, the Americans used visual material gathered at the camps — films, photographs, and objects — as evidence in the Nuremberg trials. The photographic image of the concentration and extermination camp system became, retroactively, the defining representation of the Nazi genocidal project.

    [As the film, "Imaginary Witness" reveals, Hollywood studio directors -- all Jewish -- were called upon by Eisenhower to enter the camps before anybody else. The film explains that their primary goal was to capture -- or create -- an emotional impact --"verisimilitude" -- not forensic evidence. Indeed, as most are aware, crucial elements of the "iconic" images used as "atrocity propaganda" and later as "evidence in Nuremberg trials" were contrived -- i.e. lampshades and shrunken heads -- or deceptively identified -- i.e. the death and destruction at Nordhausen was ascribed to Germans, when it was the result of Allied aerial bombing and follow-up strafing.]

    “The American government sequestered all films produced by Nazi Germany and classified them as poisonous material. This was a campaign of radical visual censorship.
    Moreover, the U S military government used the American experience in visual indoctrination and propaganda to sell private enterprise, consumerism, democracy, and liberal capitalism in occupied Germany.
    The Americans were the global leaders in film, advertising, and marketing in the 1940s, and film was central to this process of indoctrination.”

    [The implication is that German culture was not sufficiently committed to "private enterprise, consumerism, . . . liberal capitalism.]

    These declarations, combined with the body of statements and actions that preceded US involvement in war and the actors who engaged them, suggests that the pre-ordained goal of war against Germany was not merely regime-change but culture-cide. The Allied campaign against Germany was not a war in any Clausewitzian sense: for one thing, on the day Pearl Harbor, there existed no casus belli between USA and Germany. The same pattern defines every subsequent American “war.” US actions in WWII set an extremely troubling pattern that deviated diametrically from that envisioned by US founders, but that has prevailed since then.

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    It seems from your conclusion the US engineered war to destroy the Nazi régime and German culture. Who declared war 11 Dec ‘41? Wasn’t FDR. Not that he was a choir boy. Interesting to think what would have happened if Hitler didn’t declare war. Would FDR have been the aggressor? We’ll never know.

    “...on the day Pearl Harbor, there existed no casus belli between USA and Germany.”

    Obvious question. Why did Hitler declare war on the US S2C?

    Post WW2? Many (most?) thought German thinking had to be altered to avoid another war in 20-30 years. After all, two WWs were enough. Unjust as Versailles may have been, letting Germany walk away physically unharmed after WW1, signing a paper treaty they delighted in violating was a big mistake. It’s only when one sees war on one’s own doorstep the terrible price becomes apparent.

    Given Hitler’s well documented desire to destroy Germany as ‘unworthy’ of life in ‘45 (it wasn’t just Speer who painted that picture), Germany’s biggest enemy was Hitler. You parse sources. Try Göbbels.

    JE Smith’s ‘Lucius Clay’ (governor of Germany ‘47-49, including the airlift) might interest you. He was honored by Germans on retirement, and when he died in ‘78. Seems they didn’t blame him for destroying ‘native’ culture. They seemed to appreciate time out from militarism and aggression. These are the people you champion. Who better would know?
  153. @RoHa
    "They are on board the ship."
    So
    "They are on board the process."

    Where did that "of" come from?

    Note to administrators and/or Ron Unz:

    Runaway italic effect starts at comment #143

    In answer to PG’s question: it might all be theater to beguile the masses. Whatever the case, chaos reigns.

    Since at least the middle of the 19th century, It has been a technique of TPTB– certainly in Blighty– to sow confusion, an early example being Madame Blavatsky and Theosophy. The general technique, I suggest, is to keep the chattering classes fully preoccupied with various nonsense on several fronts, such as the so-called Lewinsky affair, while more significant even sinister machinations continue undisturbed behind the curtain.

    Anyway, where was all this self-righteous media indignation and hysteria when Bush-either one-invaded Iraq?

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  154. Robert Mueller appointed as Special Counsel to investigate Trump campaign Russia ties (some buddy Trump has in Jeff Sessions, a Mike Pence fraternal brother (National Prayer Breakfast)

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  155. Sort of off topic, but not really. Its a Guardian article about Deep State stuff, just the French Deep State, not the US version:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/18/secret-plans-protect-le-pen-french-republic-emerge

    The French Deep State? Quoting from the article:

    “L’Obs cited three anonymous sources with knowledge of the emergency plan that would have been put into effect had Le Pen reached the Elysée palace, saying it was devised by a small group of ministers, chiefs of staff and top civil servants. ”

    They didn’t want to completely tear up the constitution of the Fifth Republic completely, so they came up with the cute idea of preventing Le Pen from choosing her own Prime Minister. The Prime Minister is actually the key figure overseeing the operations of the French government, but normally is hired and fired by the President.

    Also from the Guardian, the same day, but in this case from Brazil:

    “https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/18/brazil-explosive-recordings-implicate-president-michel-temer-in-bribery”

    The insight here is into the question many people including myself have asked, which was if the DC establishment was so opposed to Trump, why not pull a few strings to have Hillary Clinton carry a couple more states and get the electoral votes she needed? But we have the Brazilian federal government starting to collapse as it comes out that the people behind the removal of the previous president were guilty of all the things she was accused of, and more. There would have been a big problem if the Clintons really did turn out to he THAT corrupt and it came out after the election. Its because Trump’s corruption is at a lower level that it might be possible to remove him without destroying faith in the system.

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    why not pull a few strings to have Hillary Clinton carry a couple more states and get the electoral votes she needed

    I wondered where are the string attached and what is the mechanism that accomplishes the pulling of the strings. But I do not doubt that strings are there. I think Trump also did not doubt it when he refused to promise that he would accept the results of election.

    The October 28 announcement by Comey that they were reopening investigation into Clinton emails I interpreted as a signal form the Deep Sate to MSM and others to change the narrative, rescale the fake polls indicating Clinton's win because no strings would be pulled to make Hillary win. The question is which part of the Deep Sate was for Trump winning and where are they now? Certainly I can't see them defending Trump.
  156. I agree that a currently soft coup is underway and that President Trump is in the fight of his life.

    I have thought since before he assumed office that if he wants to take down the deep state, he will need to use any and all tools available to him.

    I also said he might have to an American “Night of the Long Knives” to make the needed changes.

    These forces need to be destroyed before they can destroy him and our republic form of government.

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  157. @Sowhat
    Two facts: One HAS to catch a hacker "In the act". Otherwise it is impossible to determine the real
    origin. I use VPN software and chose the country from which I want to access the Internet. Not all websites allow access; however, and most assuredly, the intelligence community, knows this. The Russian collusion MI diet is aimed towards the ignorant which includes many in Congress that wish ill will on Trump. I can choose England, Germany, Russia, some obscure US ISP, Italy, Romania, France, The Netherlands... Many choices. They are out to get Trump. This is why he has such disdain for the Main Sewerage Media. They are drilling this story home in every home in the U. S. and elsewhere. They belong in a cript. He's not smooth but he is not an idiot.

    “There is no one in Washington who can help Trump. Those who could help him, such as myself, cannot be confirmed by the US Senate, which is owned lock, stock, and barrel by the military/security complex, Wall Street, and the Israel Lobby.”
    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/05/18/the-assault-on-trump/

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  158. @exiled off mainstreet
    The latest exposure of facts corroborating the fact Seth Rich, not the Russians, was the source of the wikileaks DNC disclosures moves the propagators of the false Russian interference in the US election story into the area of sedition and treason.

    “The latest exposure of facts corroborating the fact Seth Rich, not the Russians, was the source of the wikileaks DNC disclosures moves the propagators of the false Russian interference in the US election story into the area of sedition and treason.”
    Correct. But be repeated again and again.

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  159. @eD
    Sort of off topic, but not really. Its a Guardian article about Deep State stuff, just the French Deep State, not the US version:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/18/secret-plans-protect-le-pen-french-republic-emerge

    The French Deep State? Quoting from the article:

    "L’Obs cited three anonymous sources with knowledge of the emergency plan that would have been put into effect had Le Pen reached the Elysée palace, saying it was devised by a small group of ministers, chiefs of staff and top civil servants. "

    They didn't want to completely tear up the constitution of the Fifth Republic completely, so they came up with the cute idea of preventing Le Pen from choosing her own Prime Minister. The Prime Minister is actually the key figure overseeing the operations of the French government, but normally is hired and fired by the President.

    Also from the Guardian, the same day, but in this case from Brazil:

    "https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/18/brazil-explosive-recordings-implicate-president-michel-temer-in-bribery"

    The insight here is into the question many people including myself have asked, which was if the DC establishment was so opposed to Trump, why not pull a few strings to have Hillary Clinton carry a couple more states and get the electoral votes she needed? But we have the Brazilian federal government starting to collapse as it comes out that the people behind the removal of the previous president were guilty of all the things she was accused of, and more. There would have been a big problem if the Clintons really did turn out to he THAT corrupt and it came out after the election. Its because Trump's corruption is at a lower level that it might be possible to remove him without destroying faith in the system.

    why not pull a few strings to have Hillary Clinton carry a couple more states and get the electoral votes she needed

    I wondered where are the string attached and what is the mechanism that accomplishes the pulling of the strings. But I do not doubt that strings are there. I think Trump also did not doubt it when he refused to promise that he would accept the results of election.

    The October 28 announcement by Comey that they were reopening investigation into Clinton emails I interpreted as a signal form the Deep Sate to MSM and others to change the narrative, rescale the fake polls indicating Clinton’s win because no strings would be pulled to make Hillary win. The question is which part of the Deep Sate was for Trump winning and where are they now? Certainly I can’t see them defending Trump.

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    "I wondered where are the string attached and what is the mechanism that accomplishes the pulling of the strings. "

    Votes in the United States are not counted by independent, non-partisan organizations drawn from the civil service like in other countries. The standard pattern is for the counting to be done by county boards, with statewide oversight provided by the Secretary of State, often himself or herself a partisan elected official. The boards themselves are staffed by Republican and Democratic hacks (usually due to language that the parties that got x votes in the last election nominate the board members).

    This system is not covered in most civics classes or by the media and most people are not aware of it. The effect is that while it is very difficult for Democrats to steal elections from Republicans and vice versa, because both parties get to put officials on the boards, if a state Democratic and a state Republican party colludes to steal an election there is really nothing to prevent it. The votes are not counted publically or audited. Hacks of one of the two political parties might agree to steal the election from one of their own candidates if they have reason to dislike that candidate, and that was the case with Republicans and Trump, and would have been of course with Democrats and Bernie Sanders.

    As it happened, the key states Trump carried over Clinton all had Republican state governments (except PA which is mostly Republican controlled), but the election could have been stolen for Clinton if the Republicans agreed. And they might have! Trump really needed and still needs a united Republican establishment behind him, which explains why he is giving so much attention to ACA repeal.

    A secondary way to do this is to challenge the results in the court system and basically have friendly judges steal the election for you, which was tried in Florida in 2000, but it is really hard to pull this off.

    Would the Republicans have backed the election of Hillary Clinton? Actually we have the example of France, where the French establishment right party, also called the Republicans, just backed Macron (btw unlike in the US, French vote tabulation is pretty on the level). But something happened to keep Clinton from playing the part of Macron. We are not sure what it is.
  160. @Priss Factor
    All this crazy business about Trump sharing classified info with Russia...

    What does it matter whether the Israeli Information was classified or not?
    If it helps in the War against ISIS, that's all for the good. ISIS is a totally evil outfit.

    Why would it be bad to help Russia fight ISIS?

    And why would Israel be upset if ISIS faces a setback?

    The REAL scandal should be that Jewish Power rules the US, and its design is to keep ISIS in business to keep on bleeding Assad. THAT is the real evil.

    During WWII, FDR shared secrets with evil Stalin to fight more evil Hitler.

    So, what is wrong with Trump helping non-evil Russia and non-evil Syria fight totally evil ISIS?

    But then, we have a situation where Jewish Power even works with Neo-Nazis in Ukraine against Russia.

    The real reason for this fake controversy is this:

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/04/15/thomas-friedmans-perverse-love-affair-isis

    Zionists have no concern for gentile lives. Their only interest is having gentiles fight gentiles while Israelis watch with amusement.

    That is why the Globalist Media is upset that Trump used Israeli information in the war on ISIS.

    Jew make a big fuss about how the world didn't care about Jews during WWII. But Jews don't care about all the innocents who died in the Civil War in Syria. They don't want the war to wind down. They want the war to keep going so that Israel can sit pretty while gentiles are destroying one another in the Middle East.

    Totally sick.

    “So, what is wrong with Trump helping non-evil Russia and non-evil Syria fight totally evil ISIS?”

    The ISIS is good at helping to secure the Golan Heights for Israel. Moreover, the artificial supremacist state has a rabid hatred towards the ancient civilization of Iran; Iran is on the opposite side of ISIS. And then there is a larger project of financialization of the planet. The Wall Street/MIC want it now.

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  161. @utu
    why not pull a few strings to have Hillary Clinton carry a couple more states and get the electoral votes she needed

    I wondered where are the string attached and what is the mechanism that accomplishes the pulling of the strings. But I do not doubt that strings are there. I think Trump also did not doubt it when he refused to promise that he would accept the results of election.

    The October 28 announcement by Comey that they were reopening investigation into Clinton emails I interpreted as a signal form the Deep Sate to MSM and others to change the narrative, rescale the fake polls indicating Clinton's win because no strings would be pulled to make Hillary win. The question is which part of the Deep Sate was for Trump winning and where are they now? Certainly I can't see them defending Trump.

    “I wondered where are the string attached and what is the mechanism that accomplishes the pulling of the strings. ”

    Votes in the United States are not counted by independent, non-partisan organizations drawn from the civil service like in other countries. The standard pattern is for the counting to be done by county boards, with statewide oversight provided by the Secretary of State, often himself or herself a partisan elected official. The boards themselves are staffed by Republican and Democratic hacks (usually due to language that the parties that got x votes in the last election nominate the board members).

    This system is not covered in most civics classes or by the media and most people are not aware of it. The effect is that while it is very difficult for Democrats to steal elections from Republicans and vice versa, because both parties get to put officials on the boards, if a state Democratic and a state Republican party colludes to steal an election there is really nothing to prevent it. The votes are not counted publically or audited. Hacks of one of the two political parties might agree to steal the election from one of their own candidates if they have reason to dislike that candidate, and that was the case with Republicans and Trump, and would have been of course with Democrats and Bernie Sanders.

    As it happened, the key states Trump carried over Clinton all had Republican state governments (except PA which is mostly Republican controlled), but the election could have been stolen for Clinton if the Republicans agreed. And they might have! Trump really needed and still needs a united Republican establishment behind him, which explains why he is giving so much attention to ACA repeal.

    A secondary way to do this is to challenge the results in the court system and basically have friendly judges steal the election for you, which was tried in Florida in 2000, but it is really hard to pull this off.

    Would the Republicans have backed the election of Hillary Clinton? Actually we have the example of France, where the French establishment right party, also called the Republicans, just backed Macron (btw unlike in the US, French vote tabulation is pretty on the level). But something happened to keep Clinton from playing the part of Macron. We are not sure what it is.

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    • Replies: @eD
    To add to my last comment, Trump's entire get out the vote operation relied more than usual on the standard GoP GOTV. The Clintons, on the other hand, were able to build and finance their own political machine and were not as dependent on the Democratic Party.

    So the Republican establishment could have ensured Trump's defeat by just sitting on their hands and not getting voters to the polls for him. They didn't do this. But there were times during the campaign, such as right before the convention and with Access Hollywood, where GOP establishment figures signaled that this was being considered.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " The effect is that while it is very difficult for Democrats to steal elections from Republicans and vice versa".

    Hogwash : I grew up in Detroit and it was running joke in the fifties as to how the unions would bus their members around to various voting stations so as to accomplish fraudulent multiple voting.

    And obviously you are unaware of the thousands of lost ballots Daley, in Chicago, came up with so as to push JFK over the finishing line.

    Look I would wager to say that no Republican would ever attempt to commit fraudulent tallying of votes, while just about any Democrat would not hesitate to pull off the old, one for you, one for me two for you, two for me trick.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society meber since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.
  162. @eD
    "I wondered where are the string attached and what is the mechanism that accomplishes the pulling of the strings. "

    Votes in the United States are not counted by independent, non-partisan organizations drawn from the civil service like in other countries. The standard pattern is for the counting to be done by county boards, with statewide oversight provided by the Secretary of State, often himself or herself a partisan elected official. The boards themselves are staffed by Republican and Democratic hacks (usually due to language that the parties that got x votes in the last election nominate the board members).

    This system is not covered in most civics classes or by the media and most people are not aware of it. The effect is that while it is very difficult for Democrats to steal elections from Republicans and vice versa, because both parties get to put officials on the boards, if a state Democratic and a state Republican party colludes to steal an election there is really nothing to prevent it. The votes are not counted publically or audited. Hacks of one of the two political parties might agree to steal the election from one of their own candidates if they have reason to dislike that candidate, and that was the case with Republicans and Trump, and would have been of course with Democrats and Bernie Sanders.

    As it happened, the key states Trump carried over Clinton all had Republican state governments (except PA which is mostly Republican controlled), but the election could have been stolen for Clinton if the Republicans agreed. And they might have! Trump really needed and still needs a united Republican establishment behind him, which explains why he is giving so much attention to ACA repeal.

    A secondary way to do this is to challenge the results in the court system and basically have friendly judges steal the election for you, which was tried in Florida in 2000, but it is really hard to pull this off.

    Would the Republicans have backed the election of Hillary Clinton? Actually we have the example of France, where the French establishment right party, also called the Republicans, just backed Macron (btw unlike in the US, French vote tabulation is pretty on the level). But something happened to keep Clinton from playing the part of Macron. We are not sure what it is.

    To add to my last comment, Trump’s entire get out the vote operation relied more than usual on the standard GoP GOTV. The Clintons, on the other hand, were able to build and finance their own political machine and were not as dependent on the Democratic Party.

    So the Republican establishment could have ensured Trump’s defeat by just sitting on their hands and not getting voters to the polls for him. They didn’t do this. But there were times during the campaign, such as right before the convention and with Access Hollywood, where GOP establishment figures signaled that this was being considered.

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  163. supremacist state has a rabid hatred towards the ancient civilization of Iran

    My theory is that 1970′s islamic revolution in Iran and bringing islamists with Khomeini to power was somewhat orchestrated by West and Israel for a simple reason: Iran under Shah was doing too well economically and was modernizing very fast. Shah was doing everything to be on very good terms with USA and Iran but apparently it did not save him. The Islamic Revolution set back Iran decades in its development and changed it to a perennial enemy of the West which is exactly were Isarel wanted it to be.

    There are similarities with Russia and Bolshevik revolution. Russia was developing fast and modernizing. The Bolshevik revolution set it back for couple decades. This is not the only reason of the revolution but one that should not be overlooked.

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    A very interesting theory. It had never occurred to me but it does make sense. Out of chaos, order.
    , @L.K
    The notion that Iran was modernizing very fast and was set back decades by the revolution is wrong.
    At any rate, the Shah was a US puppet, put in power by a US/Brit orchestrated coup.

    Iranian economist and author, Ismael Hossein-Zadeh, a professor at Drake University, states about the economic development in Iran after the revolution;

    By taking control of the commanding heights of the national economy, and effectively utilizing the revolutionary energy and dedication of their people, Iranian policy makers further succeeded in bringing about significant economic developments. These included: extensive electrification of the countryside, expansion of transportation networks, construction of tens of thousands of schools and medical clinics all across the country, provision of foodstuffs and other basic needs for the indigent at affordable prices, and more.

    Alas, despite its record of success, this option seems to be altogether alien to President Rouhani and his team of economic advisors who, following the neoliberal/neoclassical school of economic thought, maintain that the solution to Iran’s economic problems lies in an unrestrained integration into world capitalism, in a wholesale (and often fraudulent) privatization of the economy, and in an IMF-style of economic austerity.
     
  164. @eD
    "I wondered where are the string attached and what is the mechanism that accomplishes the pulling of the strings. "

    Votes in the United States are not counted by independent, non-partisan organizations drawn from the civil service like in other countries. The standard pattern is for the counting to be done by county boards, with statewide oversight provided by the Secretary of State, often himself or herself a partisan elected official. The boards themselves are staffed by Republican and Democratic hacks (usually due to language that the parties that got x votes in the last election nominate the board members).

    This system is not covered in most civics classes or by the media and most people are not aware of it. The effect is that while it is very difficult for Democrats to steal elections from Republicans and vice versa, because both parties get to put officials on the boards, if a state Democratic and a state Republican party colludes to steal an election there is really nothing to prevent it. The votes are not counted publically or audited. Hacks of one of the two political parties might agree to steal the election from one of their own candidates if they have reason to dislike that candidate, and that was the case with Republicans and Trump, and would have been of course with Democrats and Bernie Sanders.

    As it happened, the key states Trump carried over Clinton all had Republican state governments (except PA which is mostly Republican controlled), but the election could have been stolen for Clinton if the Republicans agreed. And they might have! Trump really needed and still needs a united Republican establishment behind him, which explains why he is giving so much attention to ACA repeal.

    A secondary way to do this is to challenge the results in the court system and basically have friendly judges steal the election for you, which was tried in Florida in 2000, but it is really hard to pull this off.

    Would the Republicans have backed the election of Hillary Clinton? Actually we have the example of France, where the French establishment right party, also called the Republicans, just backed Macron (btw unlike in the US, French vote tabulation is pretty on the level). But something happened to keep Clinton from playing the part of Macron. We are not sure what it is.

    ” The effect is that while it is very difficult for Democrats to steal elections from Republicans and vice versa”.

    Hogwash : I grew up in Detroit and it was running joke in the fifties as to how the unions would bus their members around to various voting stations so as to accomplish fraudulent multiple voting.

    And obviously you are unaware of the thousands of lost ballots Daley, in Chicago, came up with so as to push JFK over the finishing line.

    Look I would wager to say that no Republican would ever attempt to commit fraudulent tallying of votes, while just about any Democrat would not hesitate to pull off the old, one for you, one for me two for you, two for me trick.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society meber since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  165. The unraveling of Zio-Nazi-Finance-Hollywood plot re the pretty boy Macron:

    “The move by the American intelligence services to acquire French smart card technology leader Gemplus International began in 2001 and the operation was largely complete by 2004, the year Macron became an Inspector of Finances in the French Ministry of Economy. … «En Marche!» internal documents point to four French government agencies having conducted investigations into the Gemplus takeover. … As an inspector within the Economy Ministry, it is astounding that Macron would not have been aware of the violation of French law that occurred with the American takeover of Gemplus.
    … One file, marked «Confidential», and sent to Stefan Quandt of the billionaire Quandt family of BMW and Daimler fame in Germany, deals with Gemplus’s plummeting stock value in 2001… …. The Quandts are very publicity-shy and there is a good reason for it. Guenther Quandt manufactured Mauser firearms and anti-aircraft rockets for the Third Reich. He divorced his first wife, Magde Quandt, after they had one child, Harald Quandt. Magde then married Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels. Stefan Quandt, who was involved in the takeover of Gemplus, is the son of Harald Quandt’s half-brother Herbert Quandt.
    … Other Gemplus-related files in the «En Marche!» folder include those related to one of the principals of Gemplus, Ziad Takieddine, a French-Lebanese Druze arms broker and graduate of the CIA-linked American University of Beirut. Takieddine helped engineer the American takeover with the help of Herr Quandt. Takieddine has helped conclude major French arms deals with Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan. … Takieddine is also the uncle of Amal Alamuddin, the wife of actor George Clooney.
    … Takieddine, Quandt, and a suspected CIA-linked firm, Texas Pacific Group (TPG), were all clearly part of a conspiracy to get rid of Gemini’s French co-founder Marc Lassus and the firm’s French executives. The decision to fire Lassus and his French colleagues was made at a Gemplus board meeting held in Washington, DC, not in France, on December 15, 2001. Another principal in the American takeover of Gemplus was Lee Kheng Nam, a Singapore business executive and a recipient of an M.S. degree in Operations Research and System Analysis from the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. The co-founder of TPG, David Bonderman of Fort Worth, Texas was also heavily involved in the hostile takeover of Gemplus. TPG’s acquisition of Gemplus shares was conducted through a virtually unknown shell company registered in Gibraltar that was called «Zensus». Bonderman, who is Jewish, created a political stir in 2012 in Egypt when he met with Khairat El-Shater, the deputy leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and a member of the Mohamed Morsi government. Bonderman said he was looking for «investment opportunities» in Egypt.”
    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/05/17/macron-american-trojan-horse-elysee-palace.html

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  166. “Coming from across the political spectrum”

    There is no political spectrum. It’s the Washington Swamp and everyone in it agrees on some really awful things: endless interventions, open borders, demonizing Russia for no apparent reason and derailing the Trump Presidency.

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  167. @Greg Bacon
    Israel is the one bitching about the so-called security leak to the Russians, so Israel either has a mole--Kushner--in the WH or a listening device in the Oval Office. It wouldn't be the first time they've neutralized an American president, from JFK to Slick Willy.

    The Israel-firsters are in arms. The suspected pedophile Dershowitz is charging ahead: http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/18/fast-and-furious-now-theyre-really-gunning-for-trump/
    by JIM KAVANAGH:
    “I awoke Tuesday to read the stories in the New York Times (NYT), and the Washington Post (WaPo), sourced to anonymous “current and former government officials,” recounting that Trump had told the Russians a big secret—the NYT did not specify what, but WaPo identified it as an “Islamic State terrorist threat related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft.” As both papers acknowledge—though WaPo makes the irrelevant point that it would be illegal “for almost anyone in government”—Trump, as president, did nothing illegal in telling the Russians this, and, according to the NYT’s own sources, and to National Security advisor Lt. Gen. McMaster and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson—the only people cited who were actually in the room—Trump “discussed the contents of the intelligence, but not the sources and methods used to collect it.
    As Marcy Wheeler aptly put it:
    “So multiple people learned of this event, and went out and leaked it ( which is illegal to do for most anyone besides the President, the WaPo helpfully notes), not just with the WaPo’s two reporters, but with reporters from Buzzfeed, NYT, WSJ, and more. They leaked it to reporters who they presumably knew would then report it…”
    Sounds like Cheney school.
    And here comes the Idiot (with the capital letter): “Alan Dershowitz had called the Trump-betrayed-ally’s-secrets-to-Russia story “the most serious charge ever made against a sitting president.”
    There was only one “Middle Eastern ally” (or ally of any region) which has the chutzpah to “warn” the United States “it would cut off access to…sensitive information”—while itself stealing, with impunity, America’s most closely-guarded secrets. As Newsweek reported in 2014: “Israel has been caught carrying out aggressive espionage operations against American targets for decades… They just don’t get arrested very often.”
    Shouldn’t FBI start investigation the Buzzfeed’, NYT’, WSJ’, WaPo’ Israel-firsters to find the mole in the White House?

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    There's a special place in hell waiting for 'Douche-a-witz'.
    As for Trump talking to the Russian FM about inteligence, as soon as it came out that it was Israeli suppiled information all the daggers aimed at Trump were removed because Israel is a 'double dealer' and supplies inteligence to the Russians as well. So there went that angle of 'harming a foreign inteligence service'. Also, 'The Zionist Entity' has stollen so much of every thing from the USA, including sensitive military secrets and technology and then sold them to other nations including China, that the controlled media had to back off rapidly as not to expose the highest of the high, the most holy and revered of nations, our 'dearest' of friends, the 'chosen' State of Israel as the treacherous entity it is.
  168. @annamaria
    The Israel-firsters are in arms. The suspected pedophile Dershowitz is charging ahead: http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/18/fast-and-furious-now-theyre-really-gunning-for-trump/
    by JIM KAVANAGH:
    "I awoke Tuesday to read the stories in the New York Times (NYT), and the Washington Post (WaPo), sourced to anonymous “current and former government officials,” recounting that Trump had told the Russians a big secret—the NYT did not specify what, but WaPo identified it as an “Islamic State terrorist threat related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft.” As both papers acknowledge—though WaPo makes the irrelevant point that it would be illegal “for almost anyone in government”—Trump, as president, did nothing illegal in telling the Russians this, and, according to the NYT’s own sources, and to National Security advisor Lt. Gen. McMaster and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson—the only people cited who were actually in the room—Trump “discussed the contents of the intelligence, but not the sources and methods used to collect it.
    As Marcy Wheeler aptly put it:
    "So multiple people learned of this event, and went out and leaked it ( which is illegal to do for most anyone besides the President, the WaPo helpfully notes), not just with the WaPo’s two reporters, but with reporters from Buzzfeed, NYT, WSJ, and more. They leaked it to reporters who they presumably knew would then report it..."
    Sounds like Cheney school.
    And here comes the Idiot (with the capital letter): "Alan Dershowitz had called the Trump-betrayed-ally’s-secrets-to-Russia story “the most serious charge ever made against a sitting president.”
    There was only one “Middle Eastern ally” (or ally of any region) which has the chutzpah to “warn” the United States “it would cut off access to…sensitive information”—while itself stealing, with impunity, America’s most closely-guarded secrets. As Newsweek reported in 2014: “Israel has been caught carrying out aggressive espionage operations against American targets for decades… They just don’t get arrested very often.”
    Shouldn't FBI start investigation the Buzzfeed', NYT', WSJ', WaPo' Israel-firsters to find the mole in the White House?

    There’s a special place in hell waiting for ‘Douche-a-witz’.
    As for Trump talking to the Russian FM about inteligence, as soon as it came out that it was Israeli suppiled information all the daggers aimed at Trump were removed because Israel is a ‘double dealer’ and supplies inteligence to the Russians as well. So there went that angle of ‘harming a foreign inteligence service’. Also, ‘The Zionist Entity’ has stollen so much of every thing from the USA, including sensitive military secrets and technology and then sold them to other nations including China, that the controlled media had to back off rapidly as not to expose the highest of the high, the most holy and revered of nations, our ‘dearest’ of friends, the ‘chosen’ State of Israel as the treacherous entity it is.

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    @utu
    I don't know who Robert Parry is but to me this Colin Powell stuff is pure nonsense. At the same time my answer to the question "Are They Really Out to Get Trump?" is affirmative. Republicans and Democrats want Trump out and Pence in. The operation with Flynn who allegedly deceived Pence was part of this plan. That Trump fired Flynn was his greatest mistake in this game. It was not fatal yet. This was Their plan since the election or even earlier since Republican convention: have Trump step down and have Pence take over. After April 4th it seemed that They got Trump where They wanted him to be. Trump even became presidential. The escalation of rhetoric against North Korea over following weekend and week reinforced this perception until it turned out that it was all fake. There was no fleet steaming to Korea. Media realized they were played by Trump. During this time Trump and Tillerson in particular got some breathing space. The pre-April 4 policy of agreeing with Russia on Syria continued. Apparently Russia understood that the missile attack on Syria was just part of the game. It was not personal. More recently the US agreed to safe zones plan by Russia, Syria, Iran and Turkey. One should expect a false flag of gas attack or accidental bombing by US air force of Syrian forces to happen soon - broadcasted all night before the start of the US media news cycle by BBC, so US media, all talking heads memorize all talking points.

    While it is possible that Trump behaves erratically w/o well thought out plans we must give him a benefit of doubt and assume that there is a deep reason for firing Comey. Trump is fighting for his life. While he would prefer to be presidential and enjoy easy going times and provide peace and safety for his family by know he knows that nothing will satisfy Them. They want him out! Erratic Trump and confused and chaotic WH is a meme which They and Their media want to plant and reinforce. That's why we hear about it all the time. But how to explain the firing of Comey? I would look for the answer at DOJ. Initially their hands were tied up but slowly they showed that there is new leadership at DOJ that was working for Trump for a change. Their independence of the Deep State was demonstrated by forcing Israel police to arrest Mossad operative/patsy for the wave of world wide anti-semitic hoaxes that were meant to undermine and compromise Trump. This is the proof that DOJ and part of FBI finally is strong enough and working for Trump. What next do they want to do? If they want to squash this "collusion with Russia" false narrative that is paralyzing the administration and in fact all belt way they must hit at those who originated this narrative, meaning Hillary Clinton and Obama. To do it they need to have a full control of FBI. Comey is gone. McCabe must go next. Will DOJ and new FBI go after Susan Rice, Sally Yates and Loretta Lynch? If they do this will lead to Obama. Will they go after Hillary Clinton and her emails? Will they secure Anthony Weiner computer? Does it still exist? Who will be nominated to replace Comey? What Trump will have to promise GOP to have him approved?

    The bottom line is that Trump is fighting for his life.

    Thoughts at random:

    1)Note that the Hillary emails have very quietly dropped off the radar. Hmm… .

    2.) What actually IS (or, probably more appropriately “was”) on the Weiner computer? Hmm … .

    3.) Still waiting to hear what Lynch and Bill Clinton had to say to each other. Hmm… .

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  170. @Art
    It is all about the server. Those intelligence spymasters (Comey, Brennen, and Clapper) knew that Hillary was vulnerable because at some time they knew about her email server. Hillary was weak because she was guilty as hell for years, and they knew it. They feared the revelation - - when it happened they helped her.

    There was a virtual coup on the Friday that Bill collared and compromised Lynch (taking her off the hot seat), then on Saturday Comey had the sham FBI interview of Hillary, and then on Tuesday morning, Comey declared Hillary innocent. That afternoon Obama and Hillary flew off to campaign Valhalla with the media all in a flutter, on the road to election victory. That was a virtual deep state government coup to make Hillary electable.

    Comey revealed the Weiner emails because he had too. Someone was going to leak them if he did not announce them. Like magic they were all reviewed and ok’ed before the election. How sweet. Only the American people did not buy it.

    So now the Trump coup goes on – only with vastly more players – all the media, all the Democrats, the top-level Republicans, and most all the government works. Ninety percent of establishment American wants a Trump downfall. Only the military and the cops are with Trump. It is 50-50 – “will Trump make it all four years.”

    Trump will be there for eight years if his health holds up. What he does with that time and power is another matter.

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  171. @SolontoCroesus

    “If consumerism is so omnipresent, why did the German people have to be subjected to psychological warfare tactics to embrace it?”

    Please specify the “psychological warfare tactics” to which you refer.
     

    see http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/are-they-really-out-to-get-trump/#comment-1874174
    Capturing the German Eye

    on record condemning Jews from June ‘20 in barroom lectures. It was popular.
     
    Yes it was popular to blame the Jews, as NSDAP was gathering strength. But according to Prof. David Engel in "Understanding the Holocaust," after Jan. 1933 Hitler paid relatively little attention to Jews and did not use anti Jewish rhetoric in speeches; NSDAP had other, rather substantial priorities, upon which the party delivered, btw.

    Intimidation, on-street random beatings,
     
    Those things pertained prior to Hitler taking power, in the context of Communist gangs; of poverty and misery on the German street that ordinary Germans blamed on war profiteers and financiers. In other words, attacks on Jews (as well as others) bubbled up from the street, not down from NSDAP leadership. Upon consolidating power, NSDAP "quelled physical violence against Jews." Among other things, this was accomplished by putting Germans to work.

    curtailment of civil rights, withdrawal of the means to make a living
     
    Inasmuch as Louis Brandeis directed -- sometime before mid-February 1933-- that "all Jews must leave Germany;" and since we know from Francis Nicosia that zionists operated all over Europe, especially in Germany, to persuade and assist Jews to leave Germany, it's not implausible that the actions you complain of were taken in collaboration with zionists.

    Your quote dates from April ‘42, well after your Führer declared war on the US, well after the real killing started in the east. You assert lectures from “the late 1930s. Please provide quotes with dates.
     
    It's not my job; if you don't believe the assertions, prove them wrong.

    Dugway proving ground in Utah? Constructed in 1943? Ordinance tests in the desert? Bogus “late 1930s” quotes vs. 1943 tests? Have you no shame?
     
    Where does Mendelsohn's role in planning and practicing the incineration of "infants in cribs" lie on the shame scale?

    Whoops, in your world it’s the Nazis that are the only victims. Forgot. Sorry.
     
    Don't be a jerk, I.


    In 2015 Robert Cohen wrote:


    Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews. - http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited/#sthash.YJuBxkee.dpuf
     
    Try this exercise: select any major public library system in the USA.
    Search for books on 'holocaust.'
    Then search for books on firebombing of Germany and Japan.
    Is the tally a bit lopsided, I?

    Or try this: how many Hollywood movies made on the "infants in cribs" killed by Allied firebombing?
    Kurt Vonnegut wrote Slaughterhouse Five in the mid-1950s,
    He wrote:


    "I wrote the Air Force back then, asking for details about the raid on Dresden, who ordered it, how many planes did it, why they did it, what desirable results there had been and so on. I was answered by a man who, like myself, was in public relations. He said that he was sorry, but that the information was top secret still. "
     
    Do American schoolchildren read the diary of a German mother who saw her infant reduced to a carbon stain?
    How many American schoolchildren have heard of Dugway? Or of US firebombing raids. Or can tell the number of German (and French and Italian) cities destroyed by US and Allied fire bombing raids?

    Or inform us of this: how many Jewish people died in firebombing raids on German cities?

    --

    A couple Jewish movie producers made a film from photos and home movies that Eva Braun made. No sound had been recorded so they had people lip-read and created the dialogue; Albert Speer was called in to validate the whole shebang. Speer knew a good thing when he saw it -- he was able to save his ass. Maybe he was scrupulously honest. Maybe he was saying what he had to say to steer clear of dangling piano wire. Hard to know. I don't put much credence in Speer's recollections of Hitler's statements.

    "Dolf" is not my "Fuhrer," Incitatus. Adolf Hitler was the leader of a nation that was drawn into a war of previously unimagined brutality. The full story of that war has not yet been told honestly and fully.
    I think it needs to be told -- fully and honestly-- because people like George H W Bush and his son were the leaders of my nation, and they used the Hollywood/ propaganda version of that war -- the same one you rely upon -- to involve my country in an illegitimate and immoral war. The American public is still propagandized to believe that their "victory" in WWII embued them with special virtue that causes them to be oblivious to the mass murder that was carried out in their name in that war, and that is carried out, in their name, in Iraq, Syria, Libya; and that is planned to be carried out in Iran.

    I don't know how much deeper in moral degradation the American people can sink before they are irredeemable. Waging war on Iran might signify that point of no return. I'd like to do what I can to prevent that, as much for my own (and my children's and grandchildren's) nation as for the Iranian people. I don't have a $3.8 billion slush fund to use to lie to the American people; all I can do is tell what facts I think I know, as insistently as seems effective.

    Interesting post S2C.

    I’ll start with your conclusion. Concerns about American militarism? Having protested every war since Vietnam, I share that priority. Kuwait ‘91 and ‘03, Libya, Syria, etc. Scroll though my posts – you’ll find calls for indictment and trials (Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Rice, etc) you might agree with. I missed your posts – no mystery, I don’t read everything on UNZ. Give me the links. You’re a talented author and I’m sure I can learn from them.

    American militarism. Big subject. Quite a few victims. Why not trace it from King Philip’s War – Acadian Expulsion, Eastern Native Nation Expulsions, Mexican War, Civil War, Native American Extermination, Spanish American War, Manifest Destiny, etc. There’s a lot of material there. You seem to always gravitate to 20C Germany. Why S2C?

    Here’s what’s really mystifying. You object to American militarism but completely deny 20C German militarism:

    “The threat of Prussian militarism was and remains a figment of British as well as Jewish hyperventilation.”

    Who invaded neighbors in WW1 and WW2 S2C? Wilhelmine and Nazi Germany are prime cautionary tales on militarism and aggression that all can learn from. It destroyed their country. You’re correct – we don’t learn. But it seems you seek the wrong lessons from the wrong sources.

    Hint. It’s not because of Louis Brandeis or Eric Mendolsohn (no favorites of mine). You seem to drag them in as a fig leaf to obscure (justify?) German crimes. Just like the Jewish Boycott in ‘33. Do you admit any German crimes? Tell us: does Germany own any blame for WW1 and WW2? Give us a percent. Did France and Belgium order the German mobilization and invasion in 1914? Did Poland order the Wehrmacht invasion in ‘39? Was WW1 all the Freemasons and Jews (as Willie said in ‘26)?

    “How many American schoolchildren have heard of Dugway?”

    How many have heard of Guernica ‘37? Warsaw ‘39? Rotterdam ‘40? Be honest. The majority of US college graduates think American rebels fought France 1775-83, so ‘American schoolchildren’ are hardly reliable talismans of intelligence. More’s the pity. Do you think more books on Dugway will change that? They’ve probably heard of Alamogordo, Trinity, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And Hanoi. Not that many remember it. Does it make a difference? I wish it did.

    “Where does Mendelsohn’s role in planning and practicing the incineration of “infants in cribs” lie on the shame scale?”

    What of Germans who “planned and practiced the incineration of ‘infants in cribs’” at Guernica ‘37? Warsaw ‘39? Rotterdam ‘40? Liège and Leuvan? Where do they “lie on the shame scale?”

    How many German children read the diary of a Polish mother whose infant was “reduced to a carbon stain” when Wolfram Freiherr von Richtofen used incendiaries, as well as gp bombs, in reducing Warsaw in ‘39? 25,000 died (about the same as Dresden in ‘45). Any tears for them?

    Libraries. Holocaust books outnumber those on fire bombings. Well, I’m all for more discussions of Hap Arnold, Curtis LeMay, and ‘Bomber’ Harris. But what exactly are you saying? We should restrict Holocaust books to parity with those on the fire bombings? Or increase the books on fire-bombings? Anything keeping you from writing one?

    “how many Jewish people died in firebombing raids on German cities?”

    Please tell us why that’s significant. Are Jews deficient in bombing victimhood? Causal in WW1 and WW2? Don’t dance around it. Come right out and tell us what you think.

    “[Please provide quotes with dates] It’s not my job; if you don’t believe the assertions, prove them wrong.”

    You post anything you want and, when asked for sources, claim your readers have the task to prove you wrong? What’s next? You’re God, and it’s up to us to prove you’re wrong?

    “…after Jan. 1933 Hitler paid relatively little attention to Jews and did not use anti Jewish rhetoric in speeches; NSDAP had other, rather substantial priorities, upon which the party delivered, btw

    Nothing new there. Hitler had to behave until he could rearm. International relations were key. Meantime “attacks on Jews (as well as others) bubbled up from the street, not down from NSDAP.” Correct. The SA settled scores and incited street violence, Hitler posed as benign Jove – an arbitrator staying the hand of popular vengeance. While he engineered laws that stripped Jews of their rights, property and means to a living. The ‘Law Concerning the Reestablishment of a Professional Civil Service” 7 April ‘33 expelled Jews from government service. The establishment of the Reich Cultural Chamber followed in Nov ‘33. You couldn’t belong if Jewish, couldn’t make a living in the arts if you didn’t belong. Why S2C?

    Many more ‘topdown’ Jovian laws were in-acted before ‘38. They plucked all rights (and money) from Jews while posing them as protective measures. Surprise, surprise. I won’t bore you with the laws, body count, forced emigration, money collected (mostly dedicated to rearmament).

    “I’d like to do what I can to prevent that [waging war on Iran], as much for my own (and my children’s and grandchildren’s) nation as for the Iranian people.”

    Couldn’t agree more. But how does rehabilitating Nazi Germany – the worst specter of 20C militancy – prevent that?

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    [Sorry, long reply]

    "Couldn't agree more. But how does rehabilitating Nazi Germany - the worst specter of 20C militancy - prevent that?"
     
    Basically that's right, but there are many problems in judging the past by modern standards.

    Until WW1 major powers operated on the principles of Imperialism and Racism. The British for example, didn't have any problems with Empire, since it was a right and proper expression of the superiority of the "Englishman" to the "Native" and the superior organization and technology of Great Britain.

    The Germans could look around and see that the British had an Empire, the French had an Empire, but they didn't, and by 1914 they were already ahead of the British in technology and regarded themselves as the racial equals of the British (and superior to most of the rest) so they wanted (in the East) what was theirs by natural right.

    From this point of view, it is more a question of the Germans (and Japanese) maintaining the old Imperial/Racial narrative past its sell by date.

    Then there's the question of race and minorities, and S2C has a point that National Socialist Germany is a key to this question in the modern context.

    Hitler spent 5 years (1908 - 1913, age19-24) in Vienna prior to enlisting in the German army, with Vienna at the time, being the capital of the Austro Hungarian Empire, the leading European "multicultural" society of its day, with Germans, Czechs, Hungarians, Poles etc. permanently at loggerheads in a dysfunctional parliament.

    The evidence shows that he was a close observer of all this, and reflected on the way that the German minority held power through racial patronage:

    "In the old Austria, nothing could be done without patronage. That's partly explained by the fact that nine million Germans were in fact rulers, in virtue of an unwritten law, of fifty million non-Germans. This German ruling class took strict care that places should always be found for Germans. For them this was the only method of maintaining themselves in this privileged situation. The Balts of German origin behaved in the same way towards the Slav population." Hitler's Table Talk. Conversation Nº 109 15th-16th January 1942.

    However Hitler also witnessed the Germans themselves being displaced by Jews by means of Jewish racial patronage in commerce, the media, banking and the professions with Vienna additionally experiencing a massive influx of poor religious urban Jews.

    As Lindemann says in his excellent book, "Esau's Tears, Modern Anti-Semitism and the Rise of the Jews",
    "The rise of the Jews in Austria-Hungary may well have been the most sudden , impressive rise of Jews in modern history."
    He quotes a German-Jewish writer who had moved to Vienna from the German Reich, "....all public life was dominated by Jews. The banks, the press, the theater, literature, social organizations, all lay in the hands of the Jews.... The aristocracy would have nothing to do with such things.... The small number of untitled patrician families imitated the aristocracy; the original upper-middle class had disappeared..... The court, the lower middle class and the Jews gave the city its stamp. And that the Jews, as the most mobile group, kept all the others in continual motion is, on the whole, not surprising."

    Of course, the Jewish press ferociously attacked any criticism of Jews, but they were put on the defensive with the election of Karl Lueger as mayor of Vienna, who opportunistically picked up the anti-Jewish lower middle class and working class vote.

    So Hitler observed in turn the defeat of a Slav majority through German racial patronage, the defeat of the German commercial and professional classes through Jewish racial patronage and finally the defeat of the Jewish power through Democratic populism.

    A modern take on all this is that Imperialism and Racial Patronage should have died with the British Empire but unfortunately they are alive and well in Israel and the United States, with the Greater Israel project and the Jewish patronage enabled hold on the US media, banking and government.

    And even more extraordinary is the Democratic populist reaction arriving right on cue.

    https://www.amazon.com/Esaus-Tears-Modern-Anti-Semitism-Rise/dp/0521795389/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1495357368&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=Esaus+tears+lindeman

  172. @SolontoCroesus
    re: propagandizing "consumerism" as mentioned in "Capturing the German Eye: American Visual Propaganda in Occupied Germany," by Cora Sol Goldstein---

    selected shorts:

    "The central goal of democratization created a paradoxical situation. A military government involved in nation building is by definition an authoritarian regime. Its success in imposing new values depends, in large part, on maintaining a monopoly of violence. Force is needed to guarantee law and order, and to make possible the control and manipulation of information in the occupied area."
     

    ". . . cultural policy as a component of psychological warfare. . . .Recent studies on democratization by force, which often posit Germany as a model of success, also bypass the issue of strategic propaganda.4
    The assumption seems to be that the key to imposing democracy is changing the institutional framework.
    It is only recently that scholars interested in the history of Germany in the immediate aftermath of World War II have begun to unravel the role of information control and propaganda in the OMGUS project. There are now thorough studies on American atrocity propaganda, press policy, film policy, music policy, art policy, and theater policy in occupied Germany."
     

    " To compare American propaganda policies in postwar Germany with those of the Nazis or the Soviets would, during the Cold War, have been deemed preposterous or anti American. Now, however, it is evident that the United States also used culture as a political weapon. "
     

    "From] 1945 to 1949 . . . the U S Army and OMGUS produced successive visual narratives of German fascism and of German-American relations, employing images to attack and discredit first the Nazis and later the Communists. The content changed as American strategic and tactical needs in Europe shifted, but visual propaganda remained essential to American denzaification and reeducation efforts. The Americans censored images and relied on film, photography, and the fine arts to project their political agenda and to seduce, dissuade, and control the German population in the American zone and sector.
     

    "visual propaganda has always been as important as verbal messages. Images are often more effective than words in capturing the attention of the viewer, and they are better able than written and oral texts to crystallize sentiments. Images simplify and convince. If something is visually represented, viewers tend to assume that it happened, that it exists, that it is true."
     

    "The suppression of familiar visual elements attenuates memories; the continuous iteration of images creates new memories. Through either mechanism, visual propaganda can subtly, yet rapidly, change our points of reference and lead to profound changes of worldview. "
     

    "the Third Reich placed great effort into mass indoctrination through visual propaganda. . . . In 1936 they purged German museums and galleries of modern art, and in July 1937 organized the “Degenerate Art Exhibit” to show the German people that modern art was the product of the infirm, the insane, and the decrepit. [and] flooded the visual domain with images that implicitly or explicitly promoted Nazi ideals . . .This radical remodeling of the visual sphere set limits to the imagination; anything that differed from the normative paradigms of the regime was deemed abnormal. By controlling what the German people saw and the context in which they saw it, the National Socialist government attempted to create a coherent new world devoid of dissonances and heterogeneity."
     
    [Query: Should a community have the right to strongly influence its own cultural preferences?]

    "During World War II, the U S government had also relied heavily on visual propaganda. In June 1942 the Roosevelt administration created the Office of War Information (OWI) to shape American public opinion and encourage prowar sentiments. The agency sought to explain the war to American civilians, to mobilize the home front, to increase morale, and to indoctrinate American soldiers . . . . the easiest way to transmit propaganda effectively was through film, especially when spectators were unaware that they were being propagandized. Therefore, Hollywood was conscripted for the war effort. Under the guidance of the OWI, Hollywood produced feature films intended to educate, inspire, and entertain, and military training films to teach soldiers why they were fighting and how to fight. The relationship between the OWI and Hollywood amounted to a virtual merger between the state and the movie industry with the goal of shaping American public opinion "
     

    "In April 1945, in the immediate aftermath of the liberation of the Nazi extermination and concentration camps, American visual propaganda had its greatest impact both at home and in Germany. Photography made the concentration camps real to the American public and constructed a new image of German criminality. In Germany, the U S Army designed the “atrocity propaganda policy,” an exercise in politics and punishment through visual means. Through photography, film, and forced visits to the camps, Germans were made to SEE Nazi crimes. A central goal was to replace the image of the Third Reich constructed by the Nazi propaganda machine with the image of mass atrocity. Months later, the Americans used visual material gathered at the camps — films, photographs, and objects — as evidence in the Nuremberg trials. The photographic image of the concentration and extermination camp system became, retroactively, the defining representation of the Nazi genocidal project."
     
    [As the film, "Imaginary Witness" reveals, Hollywood studio directors -- all Jewish -- were called upon by Eisenhower to enter the camps before anybody else. The film explains that their primary goal was to capture -- or create -- an emotional impact --"verisimilitude" -- not forensic evidence. Indeed, as most are aware, crucial elements of the "iconic" images used as "atrocity propaganda" and later as "evidence in Nuremberg trials" were contrived -- i.e. lampshades and shrunken heads -- or deceptively identified -- i.e. the death and destruction at Nordhausen was ascribed to Germans, when it was the result of Allied aerial bombing and follow-up strafing.]

    "The American government sequestered all films produced by Nazi Germany and classified them as poisonous material. This was a campaign of radical visual censorship.
    Moreover, the U S military government used the American experience in visual indoctrination and propaganda to sell private enterprise, consumerism, democracy, and liberal capitalism in occupied Germany.
    The Americans were the global leaders in film, advertising, and marketing in the 1940s, and film was central to this process of indoctrination."
     
    [The implication is that German culture was not sufficiently committed to "private enterprise, consumerism, . . . liberal capitalism.]

    These declarations, combined with the body of statements and actions that preceded US involvement in war and the actors who engaged them, suggests that the pre-ordained goal of war against Germany was not merely regime-change but culture-cide. The Allied campaign against Germany was not a war in any Clausewitzian sense: for one thing, on the day Pearl Harbor, there existed no casus belli between USA and Germany. The same pattern defines every subsequent American "war." US actions in WWII set an extremely troubling pattern that deviated diametrically from that envisioned by US founders, but that has prevailed since then.

    It seems from your conclusion the US engineered war to destroy the Nazi régime and German culture. Who declared war 11 Dec ‘41? Wasn’t FDR. Not that he was a choir boy. Interesting to think what would have happened if Hitler didn’t declare war. Would FDR have been the aggressor? We’ll never know.

    “…on the day Pearl Harbor, there existed no casus belli between USA and Germany.”

    Obvious question. Why did Hitler declare war on the US S2C?

    Post WW2? Many (most?) thought German thinking had to be altered to avoid another war in 20-30 years. After all, two WWs were enough. Unjust as Versailles may have been, letting Germany walk away physically unharmed after WW1, signing a paper treaty they delighted in violating was a big mistake. It’s only when one sees war on one’s own doorstep the terrible price becomes apparent.

    Given Hitler’s well documented desire to destroy Germany as ‘unworthy’ of life in ‘45 (it wasn’t just Speer who painted that picture), Germany’s biggest enemy was Hitler. You parse sources. Try Göbbels.

    JE Smith’s ‘Lucius Clay’ (governor of Germany ‘47-49, including the airlift) might interest you. He was honored by Germans on retirement, and when he died in ‘78. Seems they didn’t blame him for destroying ‘native’ culture. They seemed to appreciate time out from militarism and aggression. These are the people you champion. Who better would know?

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    Another episode of runaway italic effect beginning at #180, and runaway Godwin effect going back much further than that...

    Obvious question. Why did Hitler declare war on the US?
     
    It's a good question. In my view, there are other very good questions to ask about that guy with the little mustache: Why didn't he capture or destroy the BEF trapped at Dunkirk? Why didn't he continue the air attacks against Fighter Command's air bases? In other words, why did Adolph Hitler throw away these excellent chances to knock England out of the war?

    Why did Churchill throw Hess in prison?

    And what to think of Herzl's words early in the 20th century about "the future world war," and the peace conference in its aftermath being like rungs on a ladder reaching upward to the Zionist goal of a Jewish state?

    What was Hitler doing in England before WWI? Was he really captured by the Brits during the war, and released? Was Adolf really assigned by the German military to infiltrate the DAP? Who really wrote Mien Kampf?

    What would have happened if the Wehrmacht had driven with all its force and fury directly on the Bolshevik capital from the very outset of Barbarossa? Would there have been enough good Russian flesh and cannon fodder to have stopped the Germans just short of Moscow if Army Groups North and South had been pulled in tight on Army Group Center's flanks without the time and strength-sapping side excursions to Leningrad, and especially south of the Pripet Marshes, which not only divided his forces, but needlessly inflamed the Ukrainians, who had their own ax to grind with Iosef Stalin?

    Questions, questions...
  173. @Colleen Pater
    This " theory " isnt a theory its not debatable and its clear both parties and every power node in the world are signalling they will do whatever they can to help. Its really a good thing they are not fooling anyone but some maroon prog snowflakes. Trump was the howard beale last option before civil war candidate, he won fair and square , actually despite massive cheating by the other side and now they are overthrowing him in full view of the american people.Its good as long as idiots on the right still believed in democracy, that getting their candidate in would change war was averted. after thirty years of steady leftism no matter who was in power they voted trump now trumps being overthrown. They will see we dont live in a democracy we live in the matrix democracy is diversionary tactic to prevent us from killing them all. And kill them all is what we must do.

    Here! Here!

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  174. @utu
    I don't know who Robert Parry is but to me this Colin Powell stuff is pure nonsense. At the same time my answer to the question "Are They Really Out to Get Trump?" is affirmative. Republicans and Democrats want Trump out and Pence in. The operation with Flynn who allegedly deceived Pence was part of this plan. That Trump fired Flynn was his greatest mistake in this game. It was not fatal yet. This was Their plan since the election or even earlier since Republican convention: have Trump step down and have Pence take over. After April 4th it seemed that They got Trump where They wanted him to be. Trump even became presidential. The escalation of rhetoric against North Korea over following weekend and week reinforced this perception until it turned out that it was all fake. There was no fleet steaming to Korea. Media realized they were played by Trump. During this time Trump and Tillerson in particular got some breathing space. The pre-April 4 policy of agreeing with Russia on Syria continued. Apparently Russia understood that the missile attack on Syria was just part of the game. It was not personal. More recently the US agreed to safe zones plan by Russia, Syria, Iran and Turkey. One should expect a false flag of gas attack or accidental bombing by US air force of Syrian forces to happen soon - broadcasted all night before the start of the US media news cycle by BBC, so US media, all talking heads memorize all talking points.

    While it is possible that Trump behaves erratically w/o well thought out plans we must give him a benefit of doubt and assume that there is a deep reason for firing Comey. Trump is fighting for his life. While he would prefer to be presidential and enjoy easy going times and provide peace and safety for his family by know he knows that nothing will satisfy Them. They want him out! Erratic Trump and confused and chaotic WH is a meme which They and Their media want to plant and reinforce. That's why we hear about it all the time. But how to explain the firing of Comey? I would look for the answer at DOJ. Initially their hands were tied up but slowly they showed that there is new leadership at DOJ that was working for Trump for a change. Their independence of the Deep State was demonstrated by forcing Israel police to arrest Mossad operative/patsy for the wave of world wide anti-semitic hoaxes that were meant to undermine and compromise Trump. This is the proof that DOJ and part of FBI finally is strong enough and working for Trump. What next do they want to do? If they want to squash this "collusion with Russia" false narrative that is paralyzing the administration and in fact all belt way they must hit at those who originated this narrative, meaning Hillary Clinton and Obama. To do it they need to have a full control of FBI. Comey is gone. McCabe must go next. Will DOJ and new FBI go after Susan Rice, Sally Yates and Loretta Lynch? If they do this will lead to Obama. Will they go after Hillary Clinton and her emails? Will they secure Anthony Weiner computer? Does it still exist? Who will be nominated to replace Comey? What Trump will have to promise GOP to have him approved?

    The bottom line is that Trump is fighting for his life.

    But how to explain the firing of Comey? I would look for the answer at DOJ.

    This was explained by Trump himself when he fired Comey for incompetence, based on Jeff Sessions’ memo, which in turn relied on Rosenstein’s memo to Sessions. Sessions recommended a “fresh start.”

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  175. @iffen
    The original email story was leaked, apparently from the House Committee in March 2015.

    The FBI was forced to investigate, they had no choice. In July 2016, Comey (in an unprecedented move) says, "We investigated and there is no case." That pronouncement did not take with much of the public and a 2nd, "There is no case" was issued.

    We don't know the source of the leak. As has been speculated, it must have been a Clinton supporter who wanted the story cleared early so as to be mostly forgotten by the election.

    Comedy impeded the Clinton investigation and had to announce something to quieten internal FBI critics. I don’t think Clinton was seen as any sort of threat.

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  176. @Get it right
    Excellent points. (The only disagreement I have is re. Ann Coulter..personally can't stand that crone, but that's incidental.)

    Trump's reluctance to come out swinging suggests he has a plan and is biding his time or he's afraid his opponents have something incriminating they can hold over him. A third possibility is that he's in over his head and out of his comfort zone. I tend to think it's the latter. He's not a politician and politics is not like the business world. On top of that he's under attack 24/7 by the entire establishment, his people are being targeted and taken out, there's a rat (or rats) in the WH leaking to the press and some of the people closest to him (e.g. Pence) are probably not trustworthy and others (Tillerson) are incompetent to the point of being dangerous. That's gotta be taking its toll on him and he's not the youngest kid on the block. If the coup succeeds there will be massive repercussions for western civilization.

    And you are absolutely right about a growing number of disenchanted lefties looking to join the right in a united front against Hillary and the coup plotters. They might not like Trump very much but they see that Hillary would have started WWIII by now, Sanders is a turncoat establishment stooge and Trump's removal would result in a neocon taking his place and destroy the last remnant of American democracy. There seems to be a split opening up on the left between those who call themselves liberals and progressives and those who reject those labels and what they stand for as tainted.

    This is not going to stop. The pressure will be kept up, sometimes more, sometimes less but it will always be there. Their goal is to depose Trump and put one of their liberal/neocon globalist butchers into the WH. Everyone who opposes these psychopaths needs to focus on fighting the enemy and not get distracted by the divide and rule tactics and interference being run by the coup poltting scumbags.

    The longer it drags on then the more that various individuals will have to step forward and identify themselves and where they stand. DT will then know who is loyal and who is not. I wonder who are the really powerful players behind DT? or is it just more of the same as usual?
    Will there be a night of the long knives?

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  177. @utu

    supremacist state has a rabid hatred towards the ancient civilization of Iran
     

    My theory is that 1970's islamic revolution in Iran and bringing islamists with Khomeini to power was somewhat orchestrated by West and Israel for a simple reason: Iran under Shah was doing too well economically and was modernizing very fast. Shah was doing everything to be on very good terms with USA and Iran but apparently it did not save him. The Islamic Revolution set back Iran decades in its development and changed it to a perennial enemy of the West which is exactly were Isarel wanted it to be.

    There are similarities with Russia and Bolshevik revolution. Russia was developing fast and modernizing. The Bolshevik revolution set it back for couple decades. This is not the only reason of the revolution but one that should not be overlooked.

    A very interesting theory. It had never occurred to me but it does make sense. Out of chaos, order.

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    You encouraged me to look for confirmations for the "theory."

    British–Ruhollah Khomeini conspiracy theory
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British–Ruhollah_Khomeini_conspiracy_theory

    "If you lift a mullah's beard, you will find 'Made in Britain' stamped on his chin." (Mohammad Reza Pahlavi)

    Israel connection? Before 1979 Iran and Isarel had v. good relations:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Israel_relations

    From the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 until the Iranian Revolution and the fall of the Pahlavi dynasty in 1979, Israel and Iran maintained close ties. Iran was the second Muslim-majority country to recognize Israel[12] as a sovereign state after Turkey.[13][14] Israel viewed Iran as a natural ally as a non-Arab power on the edge of the Arab world, in accordance with David Ben Gurion's concept of an alliance of the periphery. Israel had a permanent delegation in Tehran which served as a de facto embassy, before Ambassadors were exchanged in the late 1970s.[15][16]

    After the Six-Day War, Iran supplied Israel with a significant portion of its oil needs and Iranian oil was shipped to European markets via the joint Israeli-Iranian Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline.[17][18] Brisk trade between the countries continued until 1979,[19] with Israeli construction firms and engineers active in Iran. El Al, the Israeli national airline, operated direct flights between Tel Aviv and Tehran.[20] Iranian-Israeli military links and projects were kept secret, but they are believed to have been wide-ranging,[21] for example the joint military project Project Flower (1977–79), an Iranian-Israeli attempt to develop a new missile.[22][23]

    Considerable debts owed to Iran by Israel for business conducted before the Iranian revolution, in the order of a billion dollars, were not paid to Iran.
     
    After the 1979 still cooperation tis 1988:

    http://www.dw.com/en/iran-und-israel-the-best-of-enemies/a-17437981
    There were increasingly public tensions between Iran and Israel, but at the same time, cooperation was secretly revived, triggered by the start of the Iran-Iraq war in September 1980.
    Unimpressed by the revolution in Tehran, almost the entire western world supported Iraq, which had been armed to the hilt by the United States. Israel, on the other hand, regarded Saddam Hussein's regime as the greater threat - and sided with Khomeini.
    According to a study conducted by the Tel Aviv Institute for National Security Studies (INSS), Israel supplied Iran with arms totaling $500 million (365 million euros) in the first three years of the war.

    ...the Iran-Iraq war in 1988, ties between Israel and Iran were finally severed. Iraq, the common enemy, was weakened, and eventually more or less neutralized by the US-led Operation Desert Storm three years later.
     
  178. @utu

    supremacist state has a rabid hatred towards the ancient civilization of Iran
     

    My theory is that 1970's islamic revolution in Iran and bringing islamists with Khomeini to power was somewhat orchestrated by West and Israel for a simple reason: Iran under Shah was doing too well economically and was modernizing very fast. Shah was doing everything to be on very good terms with USA and Iran but apparently it did not save him. The Islamic Revolution set back Iran decades in its development and changed it to a perennial enemy of the West which is exactly were Isarel wanted it to be.

    There are similarities with Russia and Bolshevik revolution. Russia was developing fast and modernizing. The Bolshevik revolution set it back for couple decades. This is not the only reason of the revolution but one that should not be overlooked.

    The notion that Iran was modernizing very fast and was set back decades by the revolution is wrong.
    At any rate, the Shah was a US puppet, put in power by a US/Brit orchestrated coup.

    Iranian economist and author, Ismael Hossein-Zadeh, a professor at Drake University, states about the economic development in Iran after the revolution;

    By taking control of the commanding heights of the national economy, and effectively utilizing the revolutionary energy and dedication of their people, Iranian policy makers further succeeded in bringing about significant economic developments. These included: extensive electrification of the countryside, expansion of transportation networks, construction of tens of thousands of schools and medical clinics all across the country, provision of foodstuffs and other basic needs for the indigent at affordable prices, and more.

    Alas, despite its record of success, this option seems to be altogether alien to President Rouhani and his team of economic advisors who, following the neoliberal/neoclassical school of economic thought, maintain that the solution to Iran’s economic problems lies in an unrestrained integration into world capitalism, in a wholesale (and often fraudulent) privatization of the economy, and in an IMF-style of economic austerity.

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    Who is this Zadeh guy? Language like this "and effectively utilizing the revolutionary energy and dedication of their people" disqualifies this guy credibility.

    During Shah (Wiki)

    Between fiscal year 1964 and FY 1978, Iran’s gross national product grew at an annual rate of 13.2 percent at constant prices. The oil, gas, and construction industries expanded by almost 500 percent during this period, while the share of value-added manufacturing increased by 4 percent. Women’s participation in the labor force in urban areas increased. Large numbers of urban Iranian women, from varying social strata, joined the semiskilled and skilled labor forces. In addition, the number of women enrolling in higher education increased from 5,000 in FY 1967 to more than 74,000 in FY 1978

    For this reason Iran had to be stopped. They were doing too well. Iraq, Libya and Syria also were also doing well. No secular Muslim state is permitted to exist. Muslims must be seen as crazy religious fanatics.

  179. Comparing the Arab Gulf states with Iran, writes Prof. Zadeh;

    It is only fair to ask Dr. Zogby: how can “Arab Gulf States provide a model of development for Iran” when they are essentially consumers markets for foreign products? What product line, manufacturing process or technological know-how can Iran learn from these states? Dr. Zogby seems to confuse financial services, extravagant consumerism (made possible by abundant oil and smaller populations), unrestricted import of luxury goods from abroad, glossy shopping malls, ballooning skyscrapers, and man-made islands with manufacturing, industrialization, labor productivity and real development. With the exception of oil, which is produced, processed and managed largely with the help foreign experts, Persian Gulf kingdoms do not produce much of what they consume.

    By contrast, Iran produces much of what it needs or consumes. It has made considerable progress in scientific research and technological know-how. It has taken advantage of the imperialist sanctions and boycotts to become self-reliant in many technological areas.

    For example, Iran is now self-sufficient in producing many of its industrial products such as home and electric appliances (television sets, washers and dryers, refrigerators, washing machines, and the like), textiles, leather products, pharmaceuticals, agricultural products, processed food, and beverage products. The country has also made considerable progress in manufacturing steel, copper products, paper, rubber products, telecommunications equipment, cement, and industrial machinery. Iran has the largest operational stock of industrial robots in West Asia.

    Iran’s progress in automobile and other motor vehicle production has especially been impressive. Motor vehicles, including farming equipment, now count among Iran’s exports. Most remarkable of Iran’s industrial progress, however, can be seen in the manufacture of various types of its armaments needs.

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    ‘Troll’?

    Nice to see you still read my posts, Your 'Ethnicities.' I’d welcome any answer you care to venture to questions (#180 or #179). Have any? Or is ‘Troll” your tongue-tied admission of intellectual (and moral) bankruptcy?

    “Iranian economist and author, Ismael Hossein-Zadeh...Comparing the Arab Gulf states with Iran, writes Prof. Zadeh...”

    My, you’re becoming a genuine cut-and-paste scholar, just like Jacues/Jacques Sheet. Can’t call you a sage yet. Try some classical scripts. They shouldn’t be too hard to find. Hint: Plutarch is a gold mine. If that’s beyond you, no doubt Jacues/Jacques will probably loan some quotes if you ask him nicely.

    Always a pleasure L.K.
  180. @L.K
    Comparing the Arab Gulf states with Iran, writes Prof. Zadeh;

    It is only fair to ask Dr. Zogby: how can “Arab Gulf States provide a model of development for Iran” when they are essentially consumers markets for foreign products? What product line, manufacturing process or technological know-how can Iran learn from these states? Dr. Zogby seems to confuse financial services, extravagant consumerism (made possible by abundant oil and smaller populations), unrestricted import of luxury goods from abroad, glossy shopping malls, ballooning skyscrapers, and man-made islands with manufacturing, industrialization, labor productivity and real development. With the exception of oil, which is produced, processed and managed largely with the help foreign experts, Persian Gulf kingdoms do not produce much of what they consume.

    By contrast, Iran produces much of what it needs or consumes. It has made considerable progress in scientific research and technological know-how. It has taken advantage of the imperialist sanctions and boycotts to become self-reliant in many technological areas.

    For example, Iran is now self-sufficient in producing many of its industrial products such as home and electric appliances (television sets, washers and dryers, refrigerators, washing machines, and the like), textiles, leather products, pharmaceuticals, agricultural products, processed food, and beverage products. The country has also made considerable progress in manufacturing steel, copper products, paper, rubber products, telecommunications equipment, cement, and industrial machinery. Iran has the largest operational stock of industrial robots in West Asia.

    Iran’s progress in automobile and other motor vehicle production has especially been impressive. Motor vehicles, including farming equipment, now count among Iran’s exports. Most remarkable of Iran’s industrial progress, however, can be seen in the manufacture of various types of its armaments needs.
     

    ‘Troll’?

    Nice to see you still read my posts, Your ‘Ethnicities.’ I’d welcome any answer you care to venture to questions (#180 or #179). Have any? Or is ‘Troll” your tongue-tied admission of intellectual (and moral) bankruptcy?

    “Iranian economist and author, Ismael Hossein-Zadeh…Comparing the Arab Gulf states with Iran, writes Prof. Zadeh…”

    My, you’re becoming a genuine cut-and-paste scholar, just like Jacues/Jacques Sheet. Can’t call you a sage yet. Try some classical scripts. They shouldn’t be too hard to find. Hint: Plutarch is a gold mine. If that’s beyond you, no doubt Jacues/Jacques will probably loan some quotes if you ask him nicely.

    Always a pleasure L.K.

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  181. Great piece on MW that speaks to the importance of Trump’s upcoming trip to the ME:

    Memo to Trump: US won’t escape Mideast wars till Israel ends oppression of Palestinians

    As Donald Trump heads out to the Middle East, the Israel supporters are in panic mode. They are confused by statements from the U.S. consulate saying that the western wall is not in Israel. They are afraid that Trump will put pressure on Israel over its neverending settlement project. They are concerned that Trump seemed to get along with Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas and that he has grand ambitions to make a deal between the two sides so he will have a legacy.

    Sheldon Adelson is anguished/angry, CNN reports. While Israel advocate Martin Indyk says the mood is sour.

    Israeli mood soured by Masada speech cancellation, 15 minutes at Yad Vashem, refusal to call Western Wall Israel’s or move embassy to J’m.

    The panic reflects the central fact of Israel’s existence: it depends on the United States to protect it in international forums from the consequences of its own actions, and therefore it relies on the Israel lobby (Adelson, Indyk et al) to enforce American government support.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/05/mideast-oppression-palestinians/

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  182. Just came across this interesting headline in the Forward:

    How Jared Kushner Sealed The $110 Billion Saudi Arms Deal

    Does anyone else recall the big shitstorm that ensued after the Reagan administration announced it was considering selling AWACS worth $8.5 billion to the Saudis?

    This time around, instead of the expected condemnation, the deal maker is showered with praise:

    Kushner reportedly played host to a top Saudi delegation on May 1, trying to finalize a $100 billion arms deal. When the going got tough and the price tag seemed a bit high even for the wealthy oil kingdom, Kushner picked up the phone in front of the Saudis, called Lockheed Martin CEO Marillyn A. Hewson, and got her to cut the price.

    Officials speaking to the Times described Kushner’s phone call as “unorthodox” but made clear that there was no legal problem with it. The gesture, which reportedly impressed the Saudi guests, demonstrates how Kushner, like his father-in-law President Trump, has brought the real estate world’s dealmaking practices into high-level White House diplomacy.

    http://forward.com/fast-forward/372499/how-jared-kushner-sealed-the-110-billion-saudi-arms-deal/

    Anyone like to hazard a guess as to why the sale of arms to the Saudis is regarded a little differently this time around?

    My guess is, back in the 80s, The Lobby was convinced the arms would be used against the villa. Whereas this time around, they’re convinced they’ll be used against the Iranians.

    It’s all part of The Lobby’s grand strategy:

    Act I – get the dumb clod to attack the Sunnis
    Act II – get the dumb clod to take a Sunni turn
    Act III – get the dumb clod to get the Sunnis (led by KSA) and the Shia (les by IRI) to slaughter each other in a 100 year war (preferably longer) while the villa inexorably expands in the jungle

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIYy10NJcMI

    Trump is fully on board with the zionist Jewish plan to destroy Iran, with, not unlikely, the added benefit of building Trump Towers in Mecca.

    What's not to luv? US war profiteers stay fat & happy.

    Bibi stays happy.
    Jews can do another one of their ritual blood dances & celebrate the destruction of another country.

    2 ?s:
    1. Will Saudis do the actual fighting? They're incompetent to fly planes & fight.
    2. How are Jews gonna turn this into Jewish victimhood?

  183. @Incitatus
    It seems from your conclusion the US engineered war to destroy the Nazi régime and German culture. Who declared war 11 Dec ‘41? Wasn’t FDR. Not that he was a choir boy. Interesting to think what would have happened if Hitler didn’t declare war. Would FDR have been the aggressor? We’ll never know.

    “...on the day Pearl Harbor, there existed no casus belli between USA and Germany.”

    Obvious question. Why did Hitler declare war on the US S2C?

    Post WW2? Many (most?) thought German thinking had to be altered to avoid another war in 20-30 years. After all, two WWs were enough. Unjust as Versailles may have been, letting Germany walk away physically unharmed after WW1, signing a paper treaty they delighted in violating was a big mistake. It’s only when one sees war on one’s own doorstep the terrible price becomes apparent.

    Given Hitler’s well documented desire to destroy Germany as ‘unworthy’ of life in ‘45 (it wasn’t just Speer who painted that picture), Germany’s biggest enemy was Hitler. You parse sources. Try Göbbels.

    JE Smith’s ‘Lucius Clay’ (governor of Germany ‘47-49, including the airlift) might interest you. He was honored by Germans on retirement, and when he died in ‘78. Seems they didn’t blame him for destroying ‘native’ culture. They seemed to appreciate time out from militarism and aggression. These are the people you champion. Who better would know?

    Another episode of runaway italic effect beginning at #180, and runaway Godwin effect going back much further than that…

    Obvious question. Why did Hitler declare war on the US?

    It’s a good question. In my view, there are other very good questions to ask about that guy with the little mustache: Why didn’t he capture or destroy the BEF trapped at Dunkirk? Why didn’t he continue the air attacks against Fighter Command’s air bases? In other words, why did Adolph Hitler throw away these excellent chances to knock England out of the war?

    Why did Churchill throw Hess in prison?

    And what to think of Herzl’s words early in the 20th century about “the future world war,” and the peace conference in its aftermath being like rungs on a ladder reaching upward to the Zionist goal of a Jewish state?

    What was Hitler doing in England before WWI? Was he really captured by the Brits during the war, and released? Was Adolf really assigned by the German military to infiltrate the DAP? Who really wrote Mien Kampf?

    What would have happened if the Wehrmacht had driven with all its force and fury directly on the Bolshevik capital from the very outset of Barbarossa? Would there have been enough good Russian flesh and cannon fodder to have stopped the Germans just short of Moscow if Army Groups North and South had been pulled in tight on Army Group Center’s flanks without the time and strength-sapping side excursions to Leningrad, and especially south of the Pripet Marshes, which not only divided his forces, but needlessly inflamed the Ukrainians, who had their own ax to grind with Iosef Stalin?

    Questions, questions…

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    One more question -- Who put Mussolini up to attacking Greece then fouling it up so that Germany had to bail out its 'ally,' pushing back the calendar and drawing off German strength from the east?

    Was it the same people who later assassinated Mussolini?
    , @Incitatus
    Mistakes, questions, mysteries.

    Lacking Hitler’s subsequent remarks on Dunkirk, British airfields, Barbarossa, winter underwear and coats in ‘41, war on the US, etc., speculation reigns. One theory’s probably as good as another.

    Was Hitler so carried away by success he forgot blitzkrieg depended on rapid attack and decisive short-order victory? Advantages diminish without a knockout, campaigns decay into quagmires. Prolonged struggle is usually much harder to sustain, let alone win. Ask Wilhelm II and von Moltke minor after Sep 1914.

    Was Hitler a casino dream client? Risk-addicted gambler; defiant autodidact; embittered by lazy youthful aspiration thwarted by conventional gatekeepers? Whose every success 1914-39 augmented self-belief in a divine “providence” - combined with and accelerated by a Wagnerian all-or-nothing suicidal tendency that eagerly adopted Wilhelmine ‘Victory or Death’ ethos? In ‘45, did he hate Germans most, having ordered their destruction?

    Ullrich paints a pretty convincing picture 1889-1939. For the most part it agrees with Kershaw, Fest, Bullock, Shirer, and others.

    Hess in May ‘41? A riddle without interrogation files. Possibilities (of many):
    • Led a genuine peace mission (terms unknown) endorsed by Hitler;
    • A fallen star neutered by Darwinian rivals (Göring, Bormann, et. al.); an early Hitler disciple and '25 co-convict, emotionally unstable in decline; dreams of favor regained by a self-brokered peace in the west, allowing immanent Barbarossa to proceed without fatal expansion to two fronts.

    Reality. Were Brits likely to consider ANY Nazi peace proposal (official/unofficial) in '41? After 15 March '39, Hácha's heart attack and the German invasion of Czechoslovakia? All violated Hitler's solemn promises.

    In any case, Hess was likely jailed to prevent public knowledge, lest it dampen British martial resolve.

    Most interesting Hess question? What were the terms (official or unofficial) of the deal (if any)? Let Germany keep occupied territory? Access to French imperial possessions? Love to know. Second: did Hess share knowledge of Barbarossa? Did Brits remain mute or pass it to Stalin? Again, love to know.

    Don’t know enough about Herzl to venture a remark. What would have happened had Weitzman refused access to acetone? Unable to produce cordite, would Brits have been forced from WW1?

    To the best of my poor knowledge, Hitler was never captured by the Brits, or in England before WW1 (or at any other time). Happy to look at contrary evidence. Three independent, vetted sources please.

    Similarly, young Dolf’s post-conflict reported duties centered on lecturing/keeping track of disparate paramilitary/nationalist elements prior to his own mustering out. Light spying? Probably. The big story is the rotten Reichswehr’s intent to circumvent Versailles from 1919. ‘Mein Kampf’ buch 1 & 2 were (little doubt) written in all their abysmal boredom by Hitler. Independent notes of his speeches from 1921-25 are remarkably similar, familiar themes in the militarist-victim genre.
  184. @Sparkon

    Another episode of runaway italic effect beginning at #180, and runaway Godwin effect going back much further than that...

    Obvious question. Why did Hitler declare war on the US?
     
    It's a good question. In my view, there are other very good questions to ask about that guy with the little mustache: Why didn't he capture or destroy the BEF trapped at Dunkirk? Why didn't he continue the air attacks against Fighter Command's air bases? In other words, why did Adolph Hitler throw away these excellent chances to knock England out of the war?

    Why did Churchill throw Hess in prison?

    And what to think of Herzl's words early in the 20th century about "the future world war," and the peace conference in its aftermath being like rungs on a ladder reaching upward to the Zionist goal of a Jewish state?

    What was Hitler doing in England before WWI? Was he really captured by the Brits during the war, and released? Was Adolf really assigned by the German military to infiltrate the DAP? Who really wrote Mien Kampf?

    What would have happened if the Wehrmacht had driven with all its force and fury directly on the Bolshevik capital from the very outset of Barbarossa? Would there have been enough good Russian flesh and cannon fodder to have stopped the Germans just short of Moscow if Army Groups North and South had been pulled in tight on Army Group Center's flanks without the time and strength-sapping side excursions to Leningrad, and especially south of the Pripet Marshes, which not only divided his forces, but needlessly inflamed the Ukrainians, who had their own ax to grind with Iosef Stalin?

    Questions, questions...

    One more question — Who put Mussolini up to attacking Greece then fouling it up so that Germany had to bail out its ‘ally,’ pushing back the calendar and drawing off German strength from the east?

    Was it the same people who later assassinated Mussolini?

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    The same people who engineered the coup in Yugoslavia?
  185. @geokat62
    Just came across this interesting headline in the Forward:

    How Jared Kushner Sealed The $110 Billion Saudi Arms Deal

    Does anyone else recall the big shitstorm that ensued after the Reagan administration announced it was considering selling AWACS worth $8.5 billion to the Saudis?

    This time around, instead of the expected condemnation, the deal maker is showered with praise:


    Kushner reportedly played host to a top Saudi delegation on May 1, trying to finalize a $100 billion arms deal. When the going got tough and the price tag seemed a bit high even for the wealthy oil kingdom, Kushner picked up the phone in front of the Saudis, called Lockheed Martin CEO Marillyn A. Hewson, and got her to cut the price.

    Officials speaking to the Times described Kushner’s phone call as “unorthodox” but made clear that there was no legal problem with it. The gesture, which reportedly impressed the Saudi guests, demonstrates how Kushner, like his father-in-law President Trump, has brought the real estate world’s dealmaking practices into high-level White House diplomacy.

    http://forward.com/fast-forward/372499/how-jared-kushner-sealed-the-110-billion-saudi-arms-deal/
     

    Anyone like to hazard a guess as to why the sale of arms to the Saudis is regarded a little differently this time around?

    My guess is, back in the 80s, The Lobby was convinced the arms would be used against the villa. Whereas this time around, they're convinced they'll be used against the Iranians.

    It's all part of The Lobby's grand strategy:

    Act I - get the dumb clod to attack the Sunnis
    Act II - get the dumb clod to take a Sunni turn
    Act III - get the dumb clod to get the Sunnis (led by KSA) and the Shia (les by IRI) to slaughter each other in a 100 year war (preferably longer) while the villa inexorably expands in the jungle

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIYy10NJcMI

    Trump is fully on board with the zionist Jewish plan to destroy Iran, with, not unlikely, the added benefit of building Trump Towers in Mecca.

    What’s not to luv? US war profiteers stay fat & happy.

    Bibi stays happy.
    Jews can do another one of their ritual blood dances & celebrate the destruction of another country.

    2 ?s:
    1. Will Saudis do the actual fighting? They’re incompetent to fly planes & fight.
    2. How are Jews gonna turn this into Jewish victimhood?

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  186. @Incitatus
    Interesting post S2C.

    I’ll start with your conclusion. Concerns about American militarism? Having protested every war since Vietnam, I share that priority. Kuwait ‘91 and ‘03, Libya, Syria, etc. Scroll though my posts - you’ll find calls for indictment and trials (Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Rice, etc) you might agree with. I missed your posts - no mystery, I don’t read everything on UNZ. Give me the links. You’re a talented author and I’m sure I can learn from them.

    American militarism. Big subject. Quite a few victims. Why not trace it from King Philip’s War - Acadian Expulsion, Eastern Native Nation Expulsions, Mexican War, Civil War, Native American Extermination, Spanish American War, Manifest Destiny, etc. There’s a lot of material there. You seem to always gravitate to 20C Germany. Why S2C?

    Here’s what’s really mystifying. You object to American militarism but completely deny 20C German militarism:

    “The threat of Prussian militarism was and remains a figment of British as well as Jewish hyperventilation.”

    Who invaded neighbors in WW1 and WW2 S2C? Wilhelmine and Nazi Germany are prime cautionary tales on militarism and aggression that all can learn from. It destroyed their country. You’re correct - we don’t learn. But it seems you seek the wrong lessons from the wrong sources.

    Hint. It’s not because of Louis Brandeis or Eric Mendolsohn (no favorites of mine). You seem to drag them in as a fig leaf to obscure (justify?) German crimes. Just like the Jewish Boycott in ‘33. Do you admit any German crimes? Tell us: does Germany own any blame for WW1 and WW2? Give us a percent. Did France and Belgium order the German mobilization and invasion in 1914? Did Poland order the Wehrmacht invasion in ‘39? Was WW1 all the Freemasons and Jews (as Willie said in ‘26)?

    “How many American schoolchildren have heard of Dugway?”

    How many have heard of Guernica ‘37? Warsaw ‘39? Rotterdam ‘40? Be honest. The majority of US college graduates think American rebels fought France 1775-83, so ‘American schoolchildren’ are hardly reliable talismans of intelligence. More’s the pity. Do you think more books on Dugway will change that? They've probably heard of Alamogordo, Trinity, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And Hanoi. Not that many remember it. Does it make a difference? I wish it did.

    “Where does Mendelsohn’s role in planning and practicing the incineration of “infants in cribs” lie on the shame scale?”

    What of Germans who “planned and practiced the incineration of ‘infants in cribs’” at Guernica ‘37? Warsaw ‘39? Rotterdam ‘40? Liège and Leuvan? Where do they “lie on the shame scale?”

    How many German children read the diary of a Polish mother whose infant was “reduced to a carbon stain” when Wolfram Freiherr von Richtofen used incendiaries, as well as gp bombs, in reducing Warsaw in ‘39? 25,000 died (about the same as Dresden in ‘45). Any tears for them?

    Libraries. Holocaust books outnumber those on fire bombings. Well, I’m all for more discussions of Hap Arnold, Curtis LeMay, and ‘Bomber’ Harris. But what exactly are you saying? We should restrict Holocaust books to parity with those on the fire bombings? Or increase the books on fire-bombings? Anything keeping you from writing one?

    “how many Jewish people died in firebombing raids on German cities?”

    Please tell us why that’s significant. Are Jews deficient in bombing victimhood? Causal in WW1 and WW2? Don’t dance around it. Come right out and tell us what you think.

    “[Please provide quotes with dates] It’s not my job; if you don’t believe the assertions, prove them wrong.”

    You post anything you want and, when asked for sources, claim your readers have the task to prove you wrong? What’s next? You’re God, and it’s up to us to prove you’re wrong?

    “...after Jan. 1933 Hitler paid relatively little attention to Jews and did not use anti Jewish rhetoric in speeches; NSDAP had other, rather substantial priorities, upon which the party delivered, btw

    Nothing new there. Hitler had to behave until he could rearm. International relations were key. Meantime “attacks on Jews (as well as others) bubbled up from the street, not down from NSDAP.” Correct. The SA settled scores and incited street violence, Hitler posed as benign Jove - an arbitrator staying the hand of popular vengeance. While he engineered laws that stripped Jews of their rights, property and means to a living. The ‘Law Concerning the Reestablishment of a Professional Civil Service” 7 April ‘33 expelled Jews from government service. The establishment of the Reich Cultural Chamber followed in Nov ‘33. You couldn’t belong if Jewish, couldn’t make a living in the arts if you didn’t belong. Why S2C?

    Many more ‘topdown’ Jovian laws were in-acted before ‘38. They plucked all rights (and money) from Jews while posing them as protective measures. Surprise, surprise. I won’t bore you with the laws, body count, forced emigration, money collected (mostly dedicated to rearmament).

    “I’d like to do what I can to prevent that [waging war on Iran], as much for my own (and my children’s and grandchildren’s) nation as for the Iranian people.”

    Couldn’t agree more. But how does rehabilitating Nazi Germany - the worst specter of 20C militancy - prevent that?

    [Sorry, long reply]

    “Couldn’t agree more. But how does rehabilitating Nazi Germany – the worst specter of 20C militancy – prevent that?”

    Basically that’s right, but there are many problems in judging the past by modern standards.

    Until WW1 major powers operated on the principles of Imperialism and Racism. The British for example, didn’t have any problems with Empire, since it was a right and proper expression of the superiority of the “Englishman” to the “Native” and the superior organization and technology of Great Britain.

    The Germans could look around and see that the British had an Empire, the French had an Empire, but they didn’t, and by 1914 they were already ahead of the British in technology and regarded themselves as the racial equals of the British (and superior to most of the rest) so they wanted (in the East) what was theirs by natural right.

    From this point of view, it is more a question of the Germans (and Japanese) maintaining the old Imperial/Racial narrative past its sell by date.

    Then there’s the question of race and minorities, and S2C has a point that National Socialist Germany is a key to this question in the modern context.

    Hitler spent 5 years (1908 – 1913, age19-24) in Vienna prior to enlisting in the German army, with Vienna at the time, being the capital of the Austro Hungarian Empire, the leading European “multicultural” society of its day, with Germans, Czechs, Hungarians, Poles etc. permanently at loggerheads in a dysfunctional parliament.

    The evidence shows that he was a close observer of all this, and reflected on the way that the German minority held power through racial patronage:

    “In the old Austria, nothing could be done without patronage. That’s partly explained by the fact that nine million Germans were in fact rulers, in virtue of an unwritten law, of fifty million non-Germans. This German ruling class took strict care that places should always be found for Germans. For them this was the only method of maintaining themselves in this privileged situation. The Balts of German origin behaved in the same way towards the Slav population.” Hitler’s Table Talk. Conversation Nº 109 15th-16th January 1942.

    However Hitler also witnessed the Germans themselves being displaced by Jews by means of Jewish racial patronage in commerce, the media, banking and the professions with Vienna additionally experiencing a massive influx of poor religious urban Jews.

    As Lindemann says in his excellent book, “Esau’s Tears, Modern Anti-Semitism and the Rise of the Jews”,
    “The rise of the Jews in Austria-Hungary may well have been the most sudden , impressive rise of Jews in modern history.”
    He quotes a German-Jewish writer who had moved to Vienna from the German Reich, “….all public life was dominated by Jews. The banks, the press, the theater, literature, social organizations, all lay in the hands of the Jews…. The aristocracy would have nothing to do with such things…. The small number of untitled patrician families imitated the aristocracy; the original upper-middle class had disappeared….. The court, the lower middle class and the Jews gave the city its stamp. And that the Jews, as the most mobile group, kept all the others in continual motion is, on the whole, not surprising.”

    Of course, the Jewish press ferociously attacked any criticism of Jews, but they were put on the defensive with the election of Karl Lueger as mayor of Vienna, who opportunistically picked up the anti-Jewish lower middle class and working class vote.

    So Hitler observed in turn the defeat of a Slav majority through German racial patronage, the defeat of the German commercial and professional classes through Jewish racial patronage and finally the defeat of the Jewish power through Democratic populism.

    A modern take on all this is that Imperialism and Racial Patronage should have died with the British Empire but unfortunately they are alive and well in Israel and the United States, with the Greater Israel project and the Jewish patronage enabled hold on the US media, banking and government.

    And even more extraordinary is the Democratic populist reaction arriving right on cue.

    https://www.amazon.com/Esaus-Tears-Modern-Anti-Semitism-Rise/dp/0521795389/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1495357368&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=Esaus+tears+lindeman

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    Sorry for the delay in my answer to your interesting post.

    “there are many problems in judging the past by modern standards”

    Agree. Hitler routinely violated contemporaneous standards. Domestically from the ‘23 Putsch. He gave no quarter to other political parties, let alone his phony painful glory in Operation Hummingbird ‘34. Subsequent behavior didn’t improve. Consider Aktion T4, a project to exterminate helpless Aryans ‘39-41 (testing ground for methods used ‘42 in the east). Curtailed after pressure from von Galen et.al. Internationally? The Dolfuß assassination in ‘34, Schuschnigg ultimatum/intimidation ‘38, threatening Hácha into a heart attack on the eve of invading remanent Czechoslovakia - less than six months after vowing the Sudetenland was his last territorial demand. And so on.

    Göbbels recounts Hitler’s brief euphoria in the bloodless acquisition of Sudetenland October ‘38 and his almost immediate deep regret at NOT having launched war. Nothing less would do.

    “Until WW1 major powers operated on the principles of Imperialism and Racism.”

    A broad indictment, given undefined “principles” and “major powers.” Don’t necessarily disagree, but can you be more specific?

    “The Germans could look around and see that the British had an Empire, the French had an Empire, but they didn’t, and by 1914 they were already ahead of the British in technology and regarded themselves as the racial equals of the British (and superior to most of the rest) so they wanted (in the East) what was theirs by natural right.”

    Absolutely right. Empire-envy? Germany feared it missed the bus in third world spoils. Understandable, since Germany didn’t exist before 1871. Did their best in Deutsch-Ostafafrika 1891-1919 (starving to death 75,000+ Maji-Maji in 1905). Not saying the US, Brits, French or Belgians (least of all) were any better. Colonialism can be a very nasty enterprise.

    Not sure I understand what you mean by “they [Germany] wanted (in the East) what was theirs by natural right.” ‘Right’ conferred by what law? Law of the Jungle? In that case defeat in two major wars launched was Germany’s incontestable destiny after abject failure.

    “From this point of view, it is more a question of the Germans (and Japanese) maintaining the old Imperial/Racial narrative past its sell by date.”

    Step back a moment. Germany, Austria-Hungary, and most other European nations felt threatened from 1848. Unrest derived from the cataclysmic French Revolution 1789-99 (delayed by Napoleons hair-brained temporary conquests?). Nobility (land-based inherited wealth, favoritism and privilege) quivered for decades while the Industrial Revolution, technology, finance and consumer manufacturing slowly destroyed the status quo. In denial, nobles resisted what was happening. Enter the scapegoat.

    “Then there’s the question of race and minorities, and SAC has a point that National Socialist Germany is a key to this question in the modern context.

    Not sure what you mean. “Race and minorities”? A convenient abstract aiding a indolent ruling class too lazy to assess the misery of their subjects, let alone suggest cures that would remedy abuse, nor even assess the viability of their rule? Prussian Germany had the ever-present need to make war after 1871. Austria-Hungary sought war to restore ‘unity’ to a rotting empire 1912-14. Threats, enemies and war attract peasants as cannon fodder as surely as moths are seduced by flame. Saves a lot of time for any noble class. Know what top German and Austria-Hungary officials did after presenting Serbia with an ultimatum and promptly rejecting the affirmative response? They went on holiday. Incompetent corruption, after all, is a heavy burden requiring regular vacations. It would be their last.

    Hitler’s time as a lazy, spoiled son comfortably spending his share of his late father’s pension in Vienna in idleness is well documented. When the money ran out? Poor Dolf had to get off his butt and seek a living painting cozy tourist attractions

    You’re quite right about Luegar, Schönerer and the rest. Very popular for shifting all blame for change and modernization to popular scapegoats (anybody but the rotten Habsburgs). Mentors to the future dictator. The myth had great currency in Vienna, and no less in Hohenzollern Germany.

    Austria-Hungary was a patchwork unraveling as Franz-Joseph I descended into senility in 1914. Franz-Ferdinand’s death was an excellent opportunity incite war to unify disparate subjects for whom he (and his nobles) cared not at all.

    There are many human aspects. Social, political, cultural, technological, economic, religious, class, race, etc. England had Dickens to confront abuse in the Industrial Revolution. France had Balzac, Hugo, Flaubert, Zola. Germany and Austria-Hungary? They seem decades behind and uninterested in emancipating the most modest individual rights. Was it easier to blame unrest on a scapegoat?

    “Imperialism and Racial Patronage should have died with the British Empire but unfortunately they are alive and well in Israel and the United States”

    Imperialism has morphed into monetary policy, debt, international trade, treaties and the rest. And most nations (not just Israel and the US) are in the contest. Ask Hellas about the Germans if you have any doubt.