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Spring in Washington would not be complete without the city’s famous cherry blossoms and the annual “Policy Conference” meeting of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). The 15,000 plus participants began arriving on Sunday and will be here at the Walter E. Washington Convention Center until tomorrow morning, at which point many of them will descend on Congress like a swarm of ravenous locusts to make sure that our Solons on the Potomac are doing what is right by Israel.

AIPAC is the most powerful foreign policy lobby in Washington. Its annual budget exceeds $77 million plus it has an endowment of $100 million. It has nearly 400 employees and also supports local chapters and initiatives throughout the United States. What do all those employees do? They mostly lobby Congress and increasingly state legislatures shamelessly on behalf of a foreign country that has little in the way of actual common interests with the United States. When anything happens in the Middle East, AIPAC’s drones get to work, drafting up position papers detailing the Israeli position which are then placed by runners on the desks of every single congressman within a matter of hours. The congressmen, too lazy to engage in any real inquiry into what is going on, rely on the AIPAC research. That is, lamentably, how our system works. And if the congressman ignores the “expert” advice, AIPAC and its friends makes sure he or she has a strong, well-funded opponent in the next election, someone who knows how to say “I love Israel” without moving his or her lips.

The current speakers’ list for the 2017 conference includes many of the leading political parasites that have long made the nation’s Capitol a “must miss” destination. I will not attempt to summarize what Michael Pence, Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, Paul Ryan, Nancy Pelosi, Kevin McCarthy, Steny Hoyer and others said on Sunday night and yesterday as it was all basically the same speech, declaring undying love for Israel and the Jewish people and pledging that the United States will always have “Israel’s back,” whatever that is supposed to mean. Twenty-nine congressmen were featured as attendees on the AIPAC website but more than two thirds of the entire Congress is expected to appear for a photo op while muttering something about that apparently vulnerable “back.” Or do they mean backside? Whatever. I won’t name any more of the specific panderers as the reader probably already has a good idea who they are.

And, of course, the redoubtable Professor Alan Dershowitz was also a featured speaker, a wonderful human being who recently told us goyim that Jewish power in this country is both deserved and granted by Jehovah. It is interesting how Jews among themselves boast about their power but if a gentile so much as suggests the same thing it is anti-Semitism.

There were also two certifiable loonies among the speakers, apart from Dershowitz. They were Nikki Haley, America’s stalwart U.N. Ambassador, and Stephen Harper, until recently Prime Minister of Canada. Those who are following Haley’s meteoric career are probably aware that while governor of South Carolina she took the lead on making her state the first in the nation to legislate against the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement (BDS) which supports peaceful pressure on Israel to abandon its apartheid policies when dealing with its own Arab citizens as well as the Palestinians on the West Bank and Gaza. Such legislation is an abrogation of First Amendment rights and will likely prove to be unconstitutional if it ever gets to the Supreme Court, but Haley clearly believed then and believes now that nothing is too good when it comes to Israel. Since going to the U.N., Haley has spoken more about Israel than about any possible American interests, pledging full support and protection for Netanyahu and his government. She blocked the appointment of a well-qualified Palestinian to a senior U.N. position purely because he was Palestinian. Ignorant of nearly everything that goes on in the world outside the U.S., it might be said that she is so horribly inept that she actually makes her ghastly predecessor Samantha Power look good.

Stephen Harper is another certified knee jerker when it comes to Israel. A fundamentalist Christian who believes the second coming of Christ is imminent, while Prime Minister he led what was possibly the world’s most pro-Israeli government. Harper described Israel as a light that “…burns bright, upheld by the universal principles of all civilized nations – freedom, democracy justice.” He has also said “I will defend Israel whatever the cost” to Canada, an interesting proposition for those who might have believed that his duty was to protect his own country and advance its interests. Harper, who has received awards from both Canadian and American Jewish organizations, personally endorsed Israel’s bombing of Lebanon in 2006, calling it “measured” even when Canadian peacekeepers were killed in the bombardment.

Paul Kagame, President of the Republic of Rwanda, also spoke at the conference. Why? I don’t know but it probably has something to do with characteristically liberal American Jews pulling their usual doublespeak trick, trying to pretend that fundamentally racist Israelis are not actually racist by inviting a black man to speak at a pro-Israel conference. I’ll bet he was paid handsomely to do so.

And former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, perhaps suggesting that love for Israel is truly international, spoke and was also probably paid handsomely to do so as he an incorporated brand. Between 2007 and 2015 Blair was the “special envoy” representing (and personally profiting from) the Quartet seeking to bring about a peace agreement between Israel and Palestine. Marwan Bishara explained in The New York Times: “A natural panderer to power, Mr. Blair morphed his complicity with the United States over Iraq into a new complicity with Israel. The assumption that operates is that schmoozing with the powerful is the only way to make a difference. So while Mr. Blair worked to reform the Palestinian Authority’s finances, security and governance, he turned a blind eye as Israel expanded its illegal settlements and tightened its hold on the autonomous territories. In the process, Mr. Blair helped render the Palestinian Authority more, not less, dependent on Israel. Instead of protecting the Palestinians from the Israeli settlers, Palestinian security forces have since been protecting Israeli settlers from Palestinian resentment.” Blair also attacked the Palestinian leadership’s decision to seek United Nations recognition of the Palestinian state, calling it “deeply confrontational.” Bishara dismisses him as “Israel’s puppy.” As I am extremely fond of dogs, I would modify that to read “Israel and now AIPAC’s butt boy.”

The avenging angel Benjamin Netanyahu also addressed the conference by satellite link and yet again described the threat posed by Iran. The satellite visit was somewhat surprising, as he usually likes to drop by in person so he can pick up his annual tribute money from the U.S. Treasury. This year’s Danegeld will be $3.8 billion thanks to President Barack Obama, guaranteed for ten years, and there will be, of course, various supplements as the Israelis discover things that they just need to have to stave off Netanyahu’s wily Persians and fight the rising tide of anti-Semitism. A rising tide, which we have just learned, was carried out by an Israeli Jew who also holds U.S. citizenship, which again leads to the question why so many Israelis are allowed to have American passports even though they live in Israel and serve in the Israeli Army?

And, of course, Persia was an integral part of the conference as it is tough to want to destroy the entire Muslim Middle East without having a really formidable enemy to focus on. Iran fits the bill quite nicely, but speakers were also prone to skewer those terrible Ay-rabs who just do not want peace. And the Israelis settlements are not a problem, nosiree! The theme of this year’s gathering was, in fact, “Many voices, one mission,” the mission presumably being the expansion of Israel so it will stretch east to west from the Nile to the River Jordan and north to the Turkish border. The indigenous inhabitants will have to be removed, but as they are mostly terrorists that should be okay with the world community and Donald Trump.

And with the 15,000 AIPAC attendees. The AIPAC gathering is really all about subverting Congress, so it is a good thing that a large majority of Congressmen were attending, making the necessary bowing and scraping that much easier. And they will enjoy it even more when the 15,000 AIPAC loyalists descend on Capitol Hill as the conference ends to make sure that Congress is listening. Democracy in action is great, isn’t it?

Even though I jest about the absurdity of thousands of Americans who appeared to be confused about what country they actually live in gathering to honor a foreign country that has an army that acts like a terrorist group, does not believe in equal rights even for its own citizens and bans visitors who do not accept its more questionable policies, the AIPAC people are not a joke. They are a deadly serious threat to our own democracy and way of life as they have figured out how to use money and the power that money buys to leverage and corrupt the system in such a way as to produce wars and turmoil that have blown back on the United States and made every American citizen both less safe and poorer.

I have written and spoken before how AIPAC is ultimately doomed as Israel and its basic policies towards Arabs and its neighbors are unsustainable both from a human rights and practical point of view. But that does not mean that it is going away any time soon. The Israel Lobby has the U.S. Congress and media by the throat and the Trump administration promises to be completely uncritical in its relationship with Netanyahu and whatever homicidal kleptocrat might be in line to succeed him. Ms. Haley and her peers in state governments have successfully pushed legislation in a majority of states that punishes anyone who tries to boycott Israeli institutions or products. On university campuses non-violent criticism of Israel is being suppressed. There is also increasing pressure to define any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism and therefore a hate crime, modeled on similar legislation in Canada, Britain and France.

In a number of European countries it is a crime to challenge the standard narrative on “the Holocaust.” Why should that be? You can in much of Europe stand in a town square and say horrible things about your own country but if you criticize the factual basis of one particular “event” that took place in the 1940s you will go to jail.

So hang on to your hats, my fellow Americans. AIPAC is not going away and it will be doing all it can to keep neighboring Syria a cauldron of death and destruction while also calling for war on Iran. And AIPAC as well as the other bits and pieces of the Israel Lobby will have many Quislings in the Congress and U.S. media who will echo whatever they propose, even if it does grave damage to American interests. Meanwhile the billions and billions of dollars will continue to flow from an increasingly straitened United States to a wealthy Israel. At its conference AIPAC announced the latest windfall from America, applauding “… the U.S. House of Representatives for significantly bolstering its support of U.S.-Israel missile defense cooperation in the FY 2017 defense appropriations bill. The House appropriated $600.7 million for U.S.-Israel missile defense programs.” That is on top of everything else Israel gets. Will it ever end? I don’t know.

 
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  1. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Just how did Jews come up with such silly hairstyles?

    I mean, how can any woman be attracted to that stuff?

    But then, why are so many male-hair-styles in so much cultures ridiculous?

    I never got the samurai hair style.

    https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f904b3eced26cfbe72e918d70a441e91-c

    Most guys go out of their way NOT to be bald. Japanese decided bald is good.

    Ironically, some skinhead girls have hairstyles like them Jews in the photo.

    • Replies: @ThereisaGod
    , @nsa
  2. So hang on to your hats…

    Yer shorts and wallets too. When will ‘Merkins ever get a clue and enough ‘nads to fix the problem?

    Utterly disgusting.

    • Replies: @Talha
  3. Chris 07 says:

    Whenever possible, I won’t vote for candidates supported by AIPAC.

    If people would join me in that, then the ‘power’ of AIPAC would evaporate. When it becomes true that AIPAC support is the kiss of death to a politician, then AIPAC will be powerless. All we have to do is to Just Say No.

    AIPAC wants to bankrupt America. We are $Trillions in debt and running a huge deficit. We can’t afford to give a regional superpower $Billions a year. If paying for the defense of NATO is a bad idea, then why is paying for the defense of Israel a good idea?

    And, whether its Israel or Montenegro, what they are really asking for is the blood of American children. Neither is worth a single drop. Just Say No.

    • Agree: Ace, Druid
  4. wayfarer says:

    Israel, the Trust Fund Nation.

    AIPAC = American Israel (self-serving) public affairs committee

    https://concisepolitics.com/2017/03/02/aipac-american-israel-public-affairs-committee-zionist-mafia-tool-used-to-run-american-government-decision-making/

    Three days undercover at the Israel lobby’s biggest policy conference.

    http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/three-days-undercover-israel-lobbys-biggest-policy-conference

    For facts regarding AIPAC, query Global Research.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/

  5. chris says:

    In all historical discussions of pogroms, this is the part that’s left out, the capturing of nations for their own purposes. Sometimes a nation is coopted toward more liberty (the US in the 60s), sometimes toward more oppression (as currently), the point is that it does not much matter which it is as long as their interests are served. And it’s too bad that they always tear out that page out of the history books, which explains the rise before the fall, because the two are, unfortunately for all, inseparable. Thanks for writing that page, Phil

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Druid
  6. @Chris 07

    that is pretty much every politician :) both reds and blues have to kneel before the AIPAC alter before they can assume office :)

    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
  7. Wally says:

    ‘Join the US army, Fight for Israel
    It’s revealing that Zionist support Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while those same Zionists demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

    It’s also revealing that we don’t see Zionists criticizing Israel’s very real WALL.

    Fake News Versus No News
    How Russia is pilloried while real news about Israel goes unreported

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fake-news-versus-no-news/

    Israel interferes in our politics all the time, and it’s never a scandal.
    “The Israeli interference in our politics is the conspiracy in plain sight that no one in the media talks about because they’re too implicated themselves.”

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/02/philip-weiss-israel-interferes-in-our-politics-all-the-time-and-its-never-a-scandal/

    Jew arrested for dozens of fake ‘hate crimes’

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/23/israeli-jew-19-arrested-antisemitic-hate-crime-hoax-spree/

    Israel removes Africans

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/toughening-its-stance-toward-migrants-israel-pushes-africans-to-leave/2015/05/14/e1637bce-f350-11e4-bca5-21b51bbdf93e_story.html

    Israeli Mossad’s motto: “By deception thou shalt do war”

    Moscow has 92 synagogues for less than a thousand practicing Jews – they are staffed and manned by the imported American Rabbis of Habad. Best and the choicest pieces of Russian municipal land are given to synagogues and Jewish cultural centres for free.

    http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-russian-scare/

  8. Very well said, Phil Giraldi. The power of the Israel Lobby in the US is almost absolute. Slowly but surely, they get also a hold of the political elites in Great Britain, France, and Germany. None of these folks have the guts to criticize the brutal Apartheid regime in Israel and the Palestinian Occupied Territories out of fear of being branded an “anti-Semite”.

    The US Congress doesn’t serve the interest of the American people but only the Zionist regime and their expansionist lust for territory and their aggression towards Iran. Not Iran is the major sponsor of terrorism such as the Zionist and their cheerleaders in the US pretend but Israel with its terrorist military gang, the so-called IDF, which should be renamed in ITF (Israeli Terrorist Forces).

    Miko Peled, the author of “The General’s Son” described this military gang as follows: “the IDF is the best trained, best equipped, best fed terrorist organization in the world“. And the US taxpayers are financing a terror organization that is against US law.

    http://between-the-lines-ludwig-watzal.blogspot.de/2012/10/miko-peled-generals-son.html

  9. Seraphim says:

    @back in town

    Was it ever out? It is more ‘in’ than ever.

    “White House Announces Jared Kushner Is Now Responsible For Everything”
    @http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/jared-kushner-everything czar_us_58d95499e4b02a2eaab6664f

    “Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner’s choice of neighborhood narrows the focus on Chabad”:
    The residence they have reportedly picked, on Tracy Place NW, is about half a mile from TheShul of the Nation’s Capital, a synagogue run by the active Orthodox Jewish organization Chabad….
    ome of Washington’s highest-profile observant Jews, including Treasury Secretary Jack Lew and longtime senator and 2000 vice presidential candidate Joseph I. Lieberman, have sometimes attended services at TheShul as an alternative to Kesher Israel, where they more frequently spent Shabbat. Numerous Jewish ambassadors from foreign countries have chosen to worship at TheShul…”
    @https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/01/05/ivanka-trump-and-jared-kushners-choice-of-neighborhood-narrows-the-focus-on-chabad/?utm_term=.1bce47e39bc2

    “Recently, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner visited the Ohel*, and every Jewish media outlet covered their visit. However…Trump and Kushner’s visit was not publicized by Chabad”.
    @http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/227102

    *The Cambria Heights, Queens “Ohel” (literally ‘tent’ but used by Chabad hassidim to mean ‘tomb’) of the sixth and seventh Chabad-Lubavitch Rebbes, Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Scheerson and his son-in-law Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, has become a 24-hour hub of activity with visitors stopping at all hours of day and night to pray and ask for blessings.
    Thousands of Jews, from all backgrounds and ethnicities, as well as politicians, diplomats, and many others, visit the site every day of the year.

    Yes, the ones with silly hairstyles.
    “Vice President Mike Pence on Sunday put the issue of moving the U.S. embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem back on the table, telling pro-Israel lobbying group that President Donald Trump was giving “serious consideration” to the issue.
    @http://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-trump-us-embassy-jerusalem-consideration-574576

    Lasciate ogni speranza…

  10. These are the folks who put the Zio in Anglo/Zio Empire. If you are an Imperialist (Hillary supporter) you gotta love these people. Nationalists not so much.

  11. Spiridon says:

    You are wrong when it comes to explain Kagame presence ; it is not cosmetic at all, it is not to give some “antiracist” acceptable face to AIPAC. But it has to do with many years of Israel lobbying in Africa, it’s hidden role in managing access to resources and manipulating powers in Africa. Besides, Kagame is himself this kind of terrorist, most probably at the very origin of Rwanda massacre, blaming others for being terrorist and dressing himself in innocent pure white colour… a fake victim. He received officially last year Netanyahu in Rwanda. Israel has been secretly very active in Africa for the benefit of UK and USA, trying to encroach on French turf. One famous journalist has written crystal clear book on this influences : “Carnages” by Pierre Pean. Israel was eager to play a role in destabilizing Sudan, an Rwanda was a piece on the chessboard. The FPR (patriotic front of Rwanda) led by Kagame was an important tool of this war.

  12. Mark Green says: • Website

    Zio-Jewish power is real.

    Zio-Jewish power is immense.

    Zio-Jewish power is ruthless.

    Zio-Jewish power is self-righteous.

    Zio-Jewish power is lethal.

    Zio-Jewish power is expanding.

    Zio-Jewish power must be resisted.

    • Agree: L.K
  13. Text in paragraph 2, sentence 2 should read: “Its annual budget…”, not “It’s annual budget…”

    In contemporary English, “It’s” should be reserved for “it is”. “Its”, like “his”, “hers”, “theirs” and “ours”, though possessive pronouns, lack an apostrophe.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  14. @Astuteobservor II

    Not-so-very-astute observer:

    Make that “AIPAC altar“. “Alter” means “to change”. The marble table at the front of a traditional Catholic or Orthodox church is an “altar”.

    Now you know why English teachers are not-so-very fond of Spelchek software: it gives semi-literates a false sense of mastery.

    • Replies: @David
  15. @Chris 07

    I’m sure there are millions of Americans who would agree with you but there’s a whole weekend of sports to watch, after that there’s WWE and have you seen the latest pics of Kim’s ass? Wow!

  16. @Anon

    When you come across these guys I have found that they won’t look you in the eye, especially if you smile at them. I suppose when you are taught that we gentiles are a different species to Jews (and, to quote The Talmud, “not human”) such intercourse must create unbearable cognitive dissonance in the mind and heart of such poor brainwashed drones.

    But we must remember. They regard themselves as being at war with the goyim. We only exist to be dominated and enslaved by Jews (according to Orthodox teaching).

    That’s why a horrible prayer (making void any FUTURE promises made to gentiles) like the Kol Nidre, said on Yom Kippur, slips very naturally into the box called ‘Jewish Spirituality’.

    KOL NIDRE ~ JEWISH PRAYER TO ABSOLVE VOWS
    “ALL VOWS, OBLIGATIONS, OATHS OR ANTHEMS, PLEDGES OF ALL NAMES, WHICH WE HAVE VOWED, SWORN, DEVOTED, OR BOUND OURSELVES TO, FROM THIS DAY OF ATONEMENT, UNTIL THE NEXT DAY OF ATONEMENT (WHOSE ARRIVAL WE HOPE FOR IN HAPPINESS) WE REPENT, AFOREHAND, OF THEM ALL, THEY SHALL ALL BE DEEMED ABSOLVED, FORGIVEN, ANNULLED, VOID AND MADE OF NO EFFECT; THEY SHALL NOT BE BINDING, NOR HAVE ANY POWER; THE VOWS SHALL NOT BE RECKONED AS VOWS, THE OBLIGATIONS SHALL NOT BE OBLIGATORY,
    NOR THE OATHS CONSIDERED AS OATHS.”
    ~ THE KOL NIDRE

  17. Talha says:
    @jacques sheete

    Hey JS,

    When…?

    Perhaps never, but it doesn’t really matter in the long run, as Mr. Giraldi points out:

    Israel and its basic policies towards Arabs and its neighbors are unsustainable both from a human rights and practical point of view.

    The world moves along with or without us – the existence of the Soviet Union was extremely useful for many in our state apparatus. Its eventual collapse was fairly swift and caught many by surprise – policies and priorities had to be re-evaluated. If our politicians, the sociopathic whores that they are, will simply queue in line for the next highest bidder.

    Peace.

  18. Seraphim says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    It is my struggle too. Than/then, it’s/its, effect/affect. Do you think it had any effect? Yes, they laughed at my pedantry. It affected me much, but what can you do? ‘Its’ how thing go, who needs grammar?

  19. n230099 says:

    And WWII is still considered ‘the good war’…go figure.

    • Replies: @HBM
  20. Ram says:
    @Chris 07

    AIPAC and associates will always control the US, aided and abetted by the likes of Pelosi and McCain. The sheep will be kept well under control.

    Today Google is at the receiving end of it’s ire, surreptitiously.

  21. HBM says:
    @n230099

    And don’t you forget it, goy.

    • Replies: @in the middle
  22. anarchyst says:

    I used to chuckle when I heard of the American Congress being a part of the “Zionist Occupation Government”, but no more…
    My “awakening” came a long time ago, with the deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty (GTR-5) in 1967 and the subsequent “whitewash” by none other that John McCain’s “daddy” admiral.
    I took it upon myself the look up other Israeli “false flag” operations, the Lavon affair, and the pre-emptive strike of the “six-day war”, among others, only to see that MY government was in the hands of a foreign cabal.
    Paul Finley’s book “None Dare Call It Treason” is still a classic worth reading, to see how the Israel-first lobby operates. Walt and Miersheimer’s “The Holocaust ™ industry is also a good read.
    What sealed the deal was the push for laws that criminalize any investigation into the “Holocaust ™” that deviates from the “accepted orthodoxy”, even if the “accepted orthodoxy” can be proven false. Kangaroo courts in European countries and Canada have already ruled that when it comes to “all things Holocaust ™”, TRUTH cannot be introduced into evidence and cannot be used as a defense.
    I have attempted to get my (brain dead) associates, friends and family to look into our situation, but have met with deaf ears. You see, many of them have bought into the concept of “the chosen”, whose activities are not to be questioned, even when their claims are outlandish and cannot survive honest scrutiny, especially when it comes to “all things Holocaust ™”. I wish more people would open their eyes and think for themselves, to see that our country has been hijacked, and that no good has come of it.

    • Replies: @in the middle
  23. David says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    Now you know why everyone else hates English teachers. Too often, they’re dicks.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  24. biz says:

    Why did you use a photo of anti-Zionist Satmar Hasidic Jews to illustrate an article about AIPAC?

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Z-man
  25. David says:

    Man, Mr Giraldi sure produces tons of good copy, and not just here at Unz.com. It’s really amazing.

    Of topic, I am also amazed at the schtick Adam Schiff has been pulling for the last couple months. He’s been on every outlet that’ll let him to say that Trump is a Russian agent and anyone who says otherwise is also a Russian agent. Now he’s everywhere all the time saying that Nunes, the chairman of the committee that Schiff is the ranking member of, must resign or recuse himself because he has exposed himself as partial to his party and his party’s president. The horror.

    It might have happened, but I’ve yet to hear an interviewer ask Schiff if he too isn’t partisan.

  26. iffen says:
    @biz

    Why did you use a photo of anti-Zionist Satmar Hasidic Jews

    Not because any Jew will do, if that’s what you are thinking. AK is not “that ” kind of nationalist, right AK?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @SFG
  27. @David

    HAHA. :) that brought a smile to my face :) really :)

  28. LondonBob says:
    @Seraphim

    I expect they will be giving serious consideration to moving the US embassy for a long time…

    I had thought the anti Russian propaganda had died down a bit recently but ever since the Kremlin slapped down Netanyahoo over Syria it seems to have cranked back up.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  29. Art says:

    Those poor boys in that picture will never know freedom – they will be controlled by their juvenile brainstems for the rest of their lives – they will be dancing like that when they are eighty. They will have no independent thoughts ever. They are slaves to Judaism. If they dare step out of line, they will be totally banished from family and culture.

    Those happy dancing faces don’t know it, but they have been traumatized, terrorized, and brainwashed by their elders.

    (There is a strong likely hood that several of them have been pestered by some authority figure.)

  30. Z-man says:

    Not such a big deal this year, I wonder why. Is it because they have been lulled by the pro Zionist pronouncements by Trump and don’t want to rile him up. That’s my thoughts on that pile of excrement known as AIPAC this year.
    As far as the pro Zionist ‘Gentiles’, ‘Nikki’ Haley’s rising star I think will be dimming rapidly in the next few years, Harper I think is ‘a has been’ already but Blair, who is also ‘a has been’, get’s the brunt of my bile as he is a first class phony.
    Glad to see your troops out there protesting out there. One year I gotta get down there to DC and join/support the anti AIPAC protesters!!

  31. Pandos says:

    Be afraid of the Jews. They destroyed Russia and then Germany. They have destroyed ME, control all Western countries, owe US $5 Trillion, 10,000 dead and 50,000 wounded. Watched and knew as Saudi knocked down the towers. And they hate you. Stay low.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @NoseytheDuke
  32. Z-man says:
    @biz

    I think it was done for comic relief, I laughed, it was funny.

  33. Lizie says:

    Mr Giraldi,

    NATO has only one Muslim ally, which is Turkey.

    However, Canadian soldiers wearing the Kurdish flag are currently training Kurdish fighters:

    The Kurdish flag is “a symbol of a separatist state — one that is unrecognized by any other country in the world — while our politicians still talk of a unified Iraq.”

    ON TARGET: HOW DUMB CAN WE BE?

    http://espritdecorps.ca/on-target-how-dumb-can-we-be/2016/6/6/on-target-how-dumb-can-we-be?rq=taylor%20kurd

    Meanwhile Canada is supporting the independence of Kosovo, and there is the usual ”politics of laissez-faire” now in Montréal airports.

  34. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Even though the JDL was declared a terrorist outfit by the FBI and banned by the DOJ, they operate with impunity on the streets of DC…..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PEt-jJmeqM

    America is starting to look like the Occupied West Bank….

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    , @RobinG
    , @chris
  35. Sherman says:

    I’m grateful Israel has such a powerful and effective lobby looking out for its interests.

    I’m glad my donations to AIPAC are having impact.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Anon
    , @Davey Wavey
  36. nsa says:
    @Anon

    They are silly. Jooies have a faggot gene unknown in other races which lends a tinge of female stealth and cunning to all their endeavors. Very high rate of homosex also, feeding into their generalized persecution complex.

  37. Shabbas Goy Stephen Harper was really a cut above when it came to sticking his schnozz up the ass of jewry in all its forms.

    There are too many examples of his fawning attitude which at one time led to speculation that some of the senior protocol (no pun) officers in Israel asked him to tone it down because the Canadian sheep were starting to ask questions.

    His supreme moment in my view was when he got to tickling the ivories. See, Harpo apparently was an accomplished piano player and his PR people suggested that he do impromptu performances to mitigate his cigar store indian demeanor. His band, The Herringbones did Beatles numbers with the basic competence one could expect from a house band in a 70′s steakhouse ( one member was later arrested for child molestation giving a much deserved black eye to our Duddly Doorights who do his screening).

    Anyway the great good moment arrived when he decided to showcase his enormous talent on a junket to Israel in front of his superior Mr Nutandyahoo. The song he chose? Why “Hey Jude” of course. You can’t make this stuff up. There was no truth to the rumour that his Israeli host sported a big yellow star on his lapel to help with the fun but he was in good sprits swaying to the howling of his fellow head of state sporting a toothy singing style reminiscent of someone sitting on a sprung rat trap.

    Embarrassing in every way to Canadians who expect Prime Ministerial conduct from their ‘leader’ especially when visiting foreign nations.

    Cheers-

  38. AIPAC’s unique ability to influence politicians is the same unique influence that all Jews wield, the ability to significantly affect the election of public officials.

    Jews use their media-academia-NGO propaganda and monies to influence the masses of diversity, a professional victim cult that comprises a super-majority of voters in the US and Israel.

    All diversity freaks claim to be eternally oppressed by Nazi or white supremacy.

    Diversity By Group:

    African American, Alternate Lifestyle, Asian, Disabled, Hispanic & Latino, Jewish, Native American, Women

    http://www.mindexchange.com/diversity.htm

  39. wow says:

    I love Trump…but to witness him genuflecting to Israel at AIPAC prior to his election was a really sad day….how any American leader is bowing to this Jew lobby is astonishing, even surreal.

    Why are leaders not lining up and drooling for Ireland, Hungary, Argentina, Mongolia, etc? Why just Israel?…it’s insane!!!!!

  40. Alden says:
    @chris

    In the state/foreign affairs departments archives of every Western European country, Canada. The US, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and other S Amerucan countries are reports about the non progroms allegedly going on between 1880 and 1917. The reports were written by diplomats working in Russia who knew the progrom propaganda was false.

    The reports all stated that there were no progroms. The reports all stated that the progrom propaganda was spread so that European and Americans would welcome Jewish immigrants and give them assistance in settling. Many of the reports mentioned that the purpose was to con wealthy European and American Jews into helping them resettle when they arrived.

    • Replies: @chris
  41. Hi Phil

    I was trying to think of how to put Susan Rice (no doubt waiting in the hotel room for Paul), Paul Kagame and Tony Blair in context with AIPAC and I recalled this image:

    I much appreciate your calling out a few names of those fundamentalist Christian Zionists without whom the Israeli Zionists would have to take their begging act elsewhere. BTW, Blair converted to fundamentalist Catholicism and concealed the fact from his countrymen until he was out of office. Insofar as a “Butt Boy”, I expect this 20 second clip speaks louder than words:

    Concerning (Susan Rice squeeze) Kagame, a google search of “Paul Kagame , war crimes” should demonstrate who Bibi’s cohorts, Mike Pence and associates seem perfectly comfortable shaking hands and rubbing shoulders with:

    [MORE]

    War Crimes and Rwandan Realities – The New York Times

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/20/opinion/war-crimes-and-rwandan-realities.html

    Jul 19, 2015 – He is also a hostage — not of any justice system, but of an increasingly lone and erratic dictator, President Paul Kagame, who uses and abuses …

    Rwanda’s Paul Kagame warned he may be charged with aiding war …
    https://www.theguardian.com › World › Rwanda
    Jul 25, 2012 – The head of the US war crimes office has warned Rwanda’s leaders, including President Paul Kagame, that they could face prosecution at the …

    Kagame’s Mass Atrocities in Rwanda and the Congo – Global Research
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/kagames-mass-atrocities-in-rwanda-and-the…/5346739
    Nov 4, 2014 – The criminal responsibility of the President Paul Kagame and his …. (10) Prunier,

    Gerard (2009) Africa’s World War: Congo, the Rwanda …
    Towards a Totalitarian State in Rwanda: A War Crimes Indictment …
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/towards-a…state-in…war-crimes…kagame…/5464501
    Jul 25, 2015 – Towards a Totalitarian State in Rwanda: A War Crimes Indictment … VIDEO: Rwandan President Paul Kagame Wants a Safer Rwanda …

    The Case Against Rwanda’s President Paul Kagame – Newsweek
    http://www.newsweek.com/case-against-rwandas-president-paul-kagame-63167
    Jan 14, 2013 – In an interview, Reyntjens told me that Kagame’s crimes rank with those … on charges of genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity.

    Rwanda – The Tutsi Contradictions & Paul Kagame’s War Crimes In …
    http://www.rdirwandarwiza.com/rwanda-the-tutsi-contradictions-paul-kagames-war-crimes-i…;
    Dec 4, 2014 – Rwanda’s criminal involvement in the wanton violence in eastern DR Congo is neither deniable nor defensible. It is a sad irony that Rwanda …

    The Beginning of the End for Kagame? | Opinion | teleSUR English
    http://www.telesurtv.net/…/The-Beginning-of-the-End-for-Kagame-20150626-0023.html
    Jun 26, 2015 – If the U.K. is not safe for a war criminal, then where in the West is? … Rwandan President Paul Kagame (L) shakes hands with former U.S. …

    USED BY KAGAME “the most important war criminal in office today”

    https://congocoalitionblog.wordpress.com/…/the-hidden-power-used-by-kagame-the-…

    Feb 26, 2015 – Paul Kagame’s Rwanda, conspiring with DRC’s Joseph Kabila (a Rwandan Tutsi whose Rwandan name is Hyppolite Kanambe and a former …

    RWANDA: The Untold Stories: Kagame the War Criminal President …

    https://atlasmonitor.wordpress.com/…/rwanda-the-untold-stories-kagame-the-war-crim…

    Nov 9, 2014 – The current president of Rwanda, Paul Kagame, has long been … It also examines claims of war crimes committed by Kagame’s forces and …

    Paul Kagame – Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Kagame

    Jump to Congo wars – Paul Kagame is the sixth and current President of Rwanda having taken office ….. The Rwandan Defence Forces and the ADFL were accused of carrying out mass atrocities during the First Congo War, with as many …

    So much for the Department of State’s ‘lip service’ (fellatio on the Congo’s ‘blood diamond’ industry enriching Kagame actually) to human rights. Not to mention holocaust deniers:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/01/29/holocaust-perversions-of-truth-western-mentality/

    ^

  42. America has a Jewish Question. It’s that simple.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  43. Sam Shama says:

    I have written and spoken before how AIPAC is ultimately doomed as Israel and its basic policies towards Arabs and its neighbors are unsustainable both from a human rights and practical point of view. But that does not mean that it is going away any time soon. The Israel Lobby has the U.S. Congress and media by the throat and the Trump administration promises to be completely uncritical in its relationship……

    Dr Giraldi,
    You have a sound basis to call AIPAC’s influence formidable, although one doubts any noteworthy change in preferences of the U.S. populace if it were to cease to exist. It’s not just Jews, but Christians, primarily evangelicals, but also many Catholics now, are apparently, committed “‘Packers”. I don’t particularly like the organisation, and would even consider the proposal to have it registered a foreign agent, it still leaves open the question as to what earthly difference that might make.

    This subject of AIPAC and other lobby groups has a host of dimensions not restricted to a single-minded vilification of Jews, who while they organise to support Israel can by no means be justly branded anti-American. They are patriotic; in fact, I find many of them blindly so.
    [on a lighter note, believe it or not, these AIPAC dates are also when some people take an Alexandra Burke to hook up :-) ]

    But really a far more weighty subject requires analysing the relative size, form, impact, benefits, commercial interests, defence implications, etc. of extending the $3.8b armaments loan package to Israel. That would be a worthy piece from you or anyone else up for tackling the challenge.

    Israel has been, at least for the past decade or so attempting to greatly improve its relationship with the Arab world.

    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/08/14/saudi-arabias-pro-jewish-media-campaign-seeks-to-pave-way-for-ties-with-israel/

    I think the Palestinian cause can easily benefit from strong Arab nations negotiating on its behalf rather than resorting to the tried and failed method of allowing the PA leadership to make a hash of it while it feathers its own nests.

    I’ve meant to ask you a question for some time now, but never got around to it: have you visited Israel? [I'd appreciate silence from the peanut gallery please]

    If you haven’t, why not consider it and see for yourself the “terrible” conditions in which Arab Israelis apparently live? I assure you none of them wants BDS to do the “needful” and remove their means of earning a living.

  44. After learning what is said to them in the Talmud,….how they
    See the world and others,
    It’s no mystery They* ….are opportunists with no moral compass

  45. Lit Dog says:

    As Phil makes clear, this is serious even though some of the language is ludicrous. One small point is the notion that the U.S. has Israel’s back. That would imply that the U.S. is a supporting force. In reality, Americans are sent out on their own to pursue Israeli policies. American soldiers were sent to kill and be killed in Iraq because Israel wanted a “clean break.” The only Israeli presence seems to have been in setting U.S. policy—such as in the tactics of torture at Abu Ghraib.

    President Trump, where is America First in this?

  46. @Greg Bacon

    Both groups of Jews are traitors to America. Neither would protest the harms being done to America by either progressives or Israel-Only Jews. In fact, those groups support much of what is detrimental to America. All they care about is Jewish interests, which is what they are fighting about. They don’t care about Palestinians or Americans. They should have their citizenship stripped and be deported to an Israel that gets absolutely no support of any kind from the U.S.

    Is it really any wonder that host after host has turned on Jews? I wonder what percentage of American Jews are actually sensible, decent and patriotic Americans? It can’t be very high. Where are these people? Jews brag about their radical tradition and voting like Puerto Ricans, so it seems as though they are telling us where they stand. At this point, any non-Jew who isn’t an anti-Semite isn’t sensible. The disdain that many Jews have for the rest of America is on full display daily.

    • Replies: @chris
  47. iffen says:

    I think the Palestinian cause can easily benefit from strong Arab nations negotiating on its behalf

    Would this be as beneficial to the Pals as was the Arab action on their “behalf” in ’48?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Incitatus
  48. AIPAC=Israeli Fifth Column=Thermonuclear Extermination of Christian Russia…if the Christian Russians don’t sell beautifull young Russian Women to Jeffrey Epstien and Alan Dershowitz for sexual slavery…

    And since POTUS Trump continues to threaten Christian Russia over Crimea…Donald is onboard with this also..

    So here is my question:Why do Richard Spencer and Paul Kersey continue to worship Doand Trump?

  49. RobinG says:
    @Greg Bacon

    Note that this is Jew-on Jew violence. This new group of young Jews, “If Not Now” is not even anti-Zionist, but the Jewish Defense League [militant Zionist Blackshirts] can’t tolerate them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28bGxfWdkAg

    Jewish Anti AIPAC protest in Washington

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  50. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Who is AK?

    Anatoly Karlin

    We have more than one possibility.

    1) Brain infarction.
    2) The sub-conscious really exists and provided a clever way for me to express my doubts that I could say the same about PG.

  51. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    It was not a facetious point, and yes, I think it can. It is not 1948. Like it or not, those Arab neighbours are quite differently disposed towards Israel today. Use of the Pals as an instrument to divert attention from issues rather easier avoided has been standard ploy for many of these Arab monarchies. I don’t make the case that the outcome would be the absolute ideal, but you’d be better off having these countries at the table than not.

    • Agree: iffen
  52. @RobinG

    Robin, it’s Jew-on Jew violence over perceived Jewish interests. Did you watch both videos posted by Mr. Bacon? Where was the real hatred directed by both groups? The real hostility was directed at non- Jewish (really white) Americans that they deem “racist” or intolerant for defending America against immigration and AIPAC traitors. These people don’t give a damn about Americans or Palestinians.

    • Replies: @Greg Bacon
  53. nickels says:

    The land needs to go back to its rightful owners.

    • Replies: @Marty T
  54. @Talha

    The world moves along with or without us …

    And I wish ‘em godspeed. What a bunch of knuckleheads we’ve been, despite our pathetic self praise.

    And not only has AIPAC been a problem, but scum like this has been and no doubt continues to be part of it too.

    The Jewish Virtual Library tells us:

    … gangster Hershel Kessler [said] that, during Prohibition, “People wanted booze, they wanted dope, they wanted to gamble and they wanted broads. For a price, we provided them with these amusements. We only gave them what they wanted.”

    [gangster Arnold]Rothstein turned his experience as a [Prohibition booze] “importer” to narcotics smuggling, a far more lucrative and less competitive business. By 1926, Rothstein was the “financial overlord” of the American narcotics trade.

    …Jews comprised half of the nation’s leading bootleggers and that Jewish gangsters like Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel dominated organized crime certain cities. Of course, with the largest Jewish population, New York produced the largest number of Jewish gangsters. The kingpin of the New York Jewish underworld was not a street tough gangster, but a refined gambler: Arnold Rothstein. According to Rockaway, “Rothstein is recognized as the pioneer big businessman of organized crime in the United States.”

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/arnold-rothstein

    Here’s another article that you will probably find interesting.

    However the Western nations obstruct our progress. They have created special rights and spheres of influence, which prevent our developing our own territory. They create among us a hatred of foreigners, which harms them and us alike.

    -Hsu Shih-Chang , as quoted by Georges Soulie de Morant, in The Present and Future of the World, The Living Age , July 23, 1921, pp. 193-199

    • Replies: @Talha
  55. @HBM

    Its a natural way in life, for the Zios/Talmudist to hate an anglo saxon, or any other pure european person. Why? because throughout history, the European is the only individual who has presented an adversarial image to the Kazharian empire. First, Russia destroyed their kindom, way back, then after the Kazhars dispersed in eastern Europe, the European kept them in their place; For several hundred years, this struggle has been a constant fight to the death, with the Kazhars visiting death and destruction whenever they can upon the European people, i.e. the French with the french revolution, and all those wars that had in the past destroyed whole generations; the Germans, in all those wars which Germanic people has struggled against the Judaics and their slaves, i.e. the English, Canadians, Australians, and Americans. Then the Russians suffered their part, when the Talmudists as Churchill said, had them by the hair, suffering millions of deaths aht their hands. People forget what happened to our neighbor to the south, early last century. the so called Mexican revolution where more than two million perished, the leader? President Calles, a Jew. So yes, Jews love to see the goyim die, and the more they destroy, the better they feel, enjoying sadistic killings; just ask the Ukrainians, during the holodomor!
    The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомо́р) was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine in 1932 and 1933 that killed an estimated 2.5–7.5 million Ukrainians. Funny how they blame the ‘soviets’ which were the power elite, of the judaics, or Talmudists.

    BTW, Minorities in the USA ignore all these historical events, thus present not a threat to the talmudist in any way at all. Only the White, European represents a threat to their emperium, and thus is in the cross hairs of the talmudist forever!

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Druid
  56. annamaria says:
    @Seraphim

    Lasciate ogni speranza… – Abandon all hope, you who enter here..
    This time the high-functioning psychopaths are going to ruin everything globally

  57. nsa says:

    The pols pledging fealty to the vile jooies are just like the girls downtown…they only do it for the money. Pols are usually shyster lawyers and not dummies. Even the most solicitous pol knows exactly what is going on and resents being muscled around…..just as a bridled husband is forced to say the right things by a demanding wife just to get along. Given the opportunity, the abused pols would gladly turn on their jooie tormentors in a nanosecond……

  58. I have written only about AIPAC in this article. Grant Smith on Friday, speaking at a conference on the U.S. and Israel, made the following comment regarding the broader Israel Lobby:

    “Key US organizations include the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the American Jewish Committee (AJC), the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). Hundreds more, including a small number of evangelical Christian organizations, play a role within a vast ecosystem that demands unconditional US support for Israel.

    “In the year 2012 the nonprofit wing of the Israel lobby raised $3.7 billion in revenue. They are on track to reach $6.3 billion by 2020. Collectively they employed 14,000 and claimed 350,000 volunteers.”

    Think about it friends. A vast empire dedicated to one thing: making U.S. policy conform to what Israel wants no matter what might be good for Americans. In fact, what is good for Americans does not even enter into their calculation. Disgusting.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  59. annamaria says:
    @Pandos

    “Stay low.” And allow yourself to be devoured by the fattened parasitoid.

  60. annamaria says:
    @Sherman

    Well. At least the greater number of people are able now to understand the cause of expulsions of Jewish Fifth column from many countries throughout the European history. Was not the noble Spinoza rejected by his brethren? – Too much ethics, I guess… But the pedophile & xenophobe Dershowitz will always be a darling of the psychopathic part of of Judaism, as represented by AIPAC.
    Blair, Kagame, Pelosi, Pence, Haley … some selection!

    • Replies: @Z-man
  61. chris says:
    @Alden

    very good point, Alden! Thanks.

  62. @Philip Giraldi

    “a small number of evangelical Christian organizations”

    That ‘small number’ shouldn’t imply small organizations or a small number of Christians:

    http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/franklin-graham-blasts-hank-johnson-attack/2016/07/27/id/740876/

    They don’t get much bigger than Billy Graham’s. Incidentally, Mike Pence membership in ‘The Family’ goes directly to the Billy Graham center’s archives:

    “Members will tell you that the Family is just a group of friends. As Sharlet discovered, 600 boxes of documents at the Billy Graham Center Archives tell a different story”

    http://www.alternet.org/story/87665/worse_than_fascists%3A_christian_political_group_%27the_family%27_openly_reveres_hitler

    ^

  63. chris says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    As much as I’d like to give them some credit for standing up to the aipac juggernaut, this is no more than the ol’ college try, because none of them would have been there if Hillary had won.

    Witnes the fact that Obama had the same exact policies vis-a-vis Israeli abuses of Palestinians, right up to his last days in office (and even that move was calculated as leverage for some future action on his part).

  64. wayfarer says:

    AIPAC an “elite” selfish spoiled child, holds sway over the U.S. government.

    During the Vietnam War, which was prosecuted safely off the battle field by the “elite” –

    58,220 Americans died, 2,500 went missing, and 154,000 were wounded – many seriously.

    Of the Jewish faith, 270 died.

    It’s a statistic that offers shocking perspective to AIPAC’s greedy self-serving agenda in America today.

    When will people stop taking from Americans, and start offering to share in the burdens of this country?

    Sources:

    https://www.archives.gov/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war

  65. chris says:
    @Greg Bacon

    wait a minute, aren’t these our old friends, Sam and Sherm in the last video, administering the business end of aipac?

  66. Z-man says:
    @annamaria

    I love your description of Douche-a-witz. Thumbs up!!

  67. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hey Sam,

    Israel has been, at least for the past decade or so attempting to greatly improve its relationship with the Arab world.

    The problem with this is that (as the article states) they are trying to go through the Saudis who are thoroughly hated in the Muslim world – don’t believe me, take a poll. They would do much better in:
    1) Recognizing that their ties (ancient, ethnic and geographic) to their neighbors are far more important in the long run from those to Europe or the US
    2) Realigning their future with the up and coming and respected powers (Jordan, Iran, etc.) and not the failing, hated ones
    3) This requires negotiating as peers with mutual respect, not the nonsense we see coming out of the Israeli government (and frankly, some of the Arab states)
    4) Being a minority with disproportionately high influence should not be used to manipulate the host countries to those policies that will help only them and foreign buddies and hurt the host (this goes for rich Arab states like Saudis that like to pump money into the system)
    5) Recognizing that the more and more of the Muslim world isn’t afraid anymore (they just took on multiple war theaters with complete loss of air superiority – their cities look like Stalingrads and they are more religious and ready to sacrifice than the secular moderns that populated the Arab world in the 60′s) and has reached a proportion for military casualties which are not looking good for IDF (even according to their stats, the 2006 Lebanese war was around 1:5 military deaths and I read Hezbollah didn’t even deploy some of their most seasoned divisions since they were waiting near the Litani – compare Six Day War blowout for comparison at around 1:18). And the Syrian Army (if it survives) will be one of the most battle-hardened forces in the region via trial-by-fire.

    There are comments on these forums that are far more vitriolic than I have ever, ever seen from Muslims – and I’ve seen some pretty bad ones. It is quite eye-opening. I personally think this can work (if you know the history of that area then you know it is different than European history and it has been made to work before) – a lot of compromise will have to be done – but as of now Israel has to stop any new settlements – period – if they want to be taken seriously. They also have to stop any more influencing Uncle Sam’s adventures in the ME other than telling him to back the hell off – the neocons have to be completely shunned. Basically, they have to give a real signal to the common Muslim man like myself and others in the region that are willing to be sincere – working with Saudi PR firms does not fulfill that requirement it sends the opposite signal and is an insult to our intelligence.

    We have to look forward and not be mired in only the worst of the past – I know that sounds cliche, but I mean it – Israeli-firsters constantly bringing up Bani Quraizah as if it is the only point of reference in our mutual history does not help. And you’ve even seen the way some pro-Israeli guys come at me – I know you don’t – but that’s the kind of low brow crap that is completely disrespectful. You know as well as I do that there was a time when Jews could travel and settle throughout the wider ME – it can happen again.

    Apparently, if some in the West get their way, we may have a situation on our hands where the big burly Ishmaelite has to step forward again and say; alright little guy step behind me again, I got this.

    I say all this as a friend.

    Peace.

  68. @Seraphim

    Instead of moving just the US Embassy to Jerusalem why not move our Capitol there? Our lawmakers would then be closer to their most important constituency. If there is no space for the entire American government certainly relocating the US Treasury would make sense.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  69. Incitatus says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    “America has a Jewish Question. It’s that simple.”

    If history serves, the phrase is ‘Judenfrage.’

    What’s the answer (‘Antwort’) Floyd? Prohibit them the means to a living? Confiscate their wealth? Put them in ghettos? Deport them to Madagascar or [insert destination here]? ‘Resettlement camps’ [insert destination here] with mandatory labor (after all, wouldn’t want to spoil them with a magnificent dole of 800 calories/day, exposure and all the beatings they can take). When all else fails a ‘final solution’ (Endlösing)?’

    Naturally, these options all have downsides. Jews are excellent scapegoats. The gift that keeps on giving. Ask Wilhelm und Adolf. How do you think they were empowered? Start and lose WW1? Blame the Jews (OK, Willie also blamed Freemasons). Want to opt out of a treaty? Start a new war? Lose a war (again)? Blame the Jews. Business poor? Crops fail? Blame the Jews. Dental problems? Well, you get the idea.

    Such easy solace for failure is hard to pass up. Mind you, I’m not Jewish, so I don’t really have a dog in that fight.

    What I’d like to know, Floyd, is after the Jews are gone who’s next?

    • Troll: Amasius
  70. anon • Disclaimer says:

    AIPAC merely reveals the lack of backbone and principle in Americans, whether through greedy politicians or apathetic Americans who don’t care enough to mobilize against this threat.

  71. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    Sam and iffen,

    Crossing to Syria from Jordan ‘76 I witnessed a fist fight between respective nationals. I’ve thought since that to assume Arab nations monolithic a mistake. Just as to say all Christian nations are the same.

    Talha is correct. Saudis are disliked in the wider faith. Not without reason. Too many wild parties in Beirut and London (while selling access to the Hadj). Kuwaitis probably come in second. Islam affords no monolithic block. Any more than Christianity.

    Other Arab nations negotiating for Palestinians? Wouldn’t bet on it. Likud alliance with KSA? May not work out well. My opinion.

    Palestinians’ biggest mistake? Allowing the PLO to cheer Saddam post Desert Storm. Many talented professionals I knew with in the Gulf were expelled stateless and unemployed. A great loss.

    If there’s an answer, it’s between Israel and the Palestinians. Hard choices need to made by both. Does Israel want to expel Pals on camera as the world watches? Citing historic abuse (justified) while depriving fellow humans of their rights? I have no easy answers (wish I did).

    Best.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @iffen
  72. after the Jews are gone who’s next?

    Asians, Africans, any Europeans from East of the Channel and the Irish, and the invaders from South of the Border.

  73. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha

    Hey Talha,
    I know you speak as a friend. Let me try to address some of the things you wrote:

    The problem with this is that (as the article states) they are trying to go through the Saudis who are thoroughly hated in the Muslim world

    I had no idea, thought the Saudis were well-loved in Egypt, Libya, Pakistan etc. Most of the Egyptians at my old Alma Mater were funded through Saudi scholarships, so naturally, they were fans. I hear the same of Pakistanis….

    Recognizing that their ties (ancient, ethnic and geographic) to their neighbors are far more important in the long run from those to Europe or the US

    Well, I second the notion. Good neighbours and all that. What are we to do with the Palestinians in the WB? The well’s been poisoned. There is merit to the idea that they’d be better off under Jordan, and we can even enter into land swaps. However, don’t believe a word you read about Israeli Arabs wishing harm upon the state. That is patently untrue. Of course, there are occasional disturbances, rapidly resolved, but Arab citizens desire no truck with movements which seek to undermine their own lot. I have many friends in Arab villages near Netanya and the Galil, and their common lament is for the West to stop meddling with a situation which mostly keeps the Pal issue alive without any positive change. I tell you there is a ‘Pal fatigue’ amongst Israeli Arabs. I honestly believe a compensation scheme for those which choose to emigrate (Jordan, Egypt) is the best idea in a set of bad choices. A 1SS would be disastrous.

    Modern Israel came into existence a mere 60 years ago, so there remains yet a strong romantic attachment amongst American Jews for her, not dissimilar I reckon from the nostalgia that Irish, Italian or other immigrant groups had for the mother nation during their salad days in America. It’s possibly stronger, given the unique history, but the essence isn’t any different.

    2) Realigning their future with the up and coming and respected powers (Jordan, Iran, etc.) and not the failing, hated ones

    Israel has a firm relationship with Jordan. The dynamic with Iran is tricky and in no small measure influenced by the Sunni majority monarchies of the Hejaz and the Gulf wanting to cut Iranian influence down to size. My own feeling? Better relations with Iran would be a game-changer. Yet I fear given the compounded recent history (3 decades) of increasing fundamentalism gripping the Muslim world, the West experiencing sporadic acts of terror, Israel embracing greater illiberal attitudes we are headed down the path to a clash with the Muslim world. It really is up to our leaders, and here I mean for Mr Trump to stop cold in its tracks, that which looks inevitable.

    3) This requires negotiating as peers with mutual respect, not the nonsense we see coming out of the Israeli government (and frankly, some of the Arab states)

    Easier said than done. Monetary weight counts more than most. Both Egypt and Jordan are pretty beholden to the Saudis and the USA to help maintain much of its polity in some semblance of order so that excluding the KSA is an idea dead upon arrival. But yes, the principle is obviously correct. Look, I believe in the end the Donald is not looking to wage war against Iran, and in fact, Jared Kushner is searching the shortest path to the 2SS. We shall see. The Europeans are basically useless in this equation.

    4) Being a minority with disproportionately high influence should not be used to manipulate the host countries to those policies that will help only them and foreign buddies and hurt the host (this goes for rich Arab states like Saudis that like to pump money into the system)

    Talha, this is a flawed way to approach the matter. Jews are not “visitors” enjoying the hospitality of the U.S. The echo chambers of this webzine, notwithstanding. That AIPAC exerts significant influence is a function of many things including geopolitical interests, genuine messianic beliefs of a section of the U.S. populace, Israel’s favourability ratings, and, not to put too fine a point on it, lucre which finds new worshippers, then as in now, among opportunists (fading neocons at present), not confined to a particular race or religion. BTW, being a Muslim citizen, you are every bit an American as any other and why should you consider yourself a guest?

    5) Recognizing that the more and more of the Muslim world isn’t afraid anymore (they just took on multiple war theaters with complete loss of air superiority – their cities look like Stalingrads and they are more religious and ready to sacrifice than the secular moderns that populated the Arab world in the 60′s) and has reached a proportion for military casualties which are not looking good for IDF

    All too true. Pushing Muslim populations to desperate straits where they embrace fanaticism will only lead to the inevitable fireworks. Israel is utterly aware of this. So the daft ideas one spots bandied around here, ideas that Israel wants its neighbours to be in constant chaos are best discarded. Israelis are also getting less open to ideas away from those propounded by the hard-core. Bad business all around. Yet they know they need peace. Which is why I believe a round table with a forceful POTUS, with zero interference from EU has the best odds of success.

    There are comments on these forums that are far more vitriolic than I have ever, ever seen from Muslims – and I’ve seen some pretty bad ones. It is quite eye-opening. I personally think this can work (if you know the history of that area then you know it is different than European history and it has been made to work before) – a lot of compromise will have to be done – but as of now Israel has to stop any new settlements – period – if they want to be taken seriously. They also have to stop any more influencing Uncle Sam’s adventures in the ME other than telling him to back the hell off – the neocons have to be completely shunned. Basically, they have to give a real signal to the common Muslim man like myself and others in the region that are willing to be sincere – working with Saudi PR firms does not fulfill that requirement it sends the opposite signal and is an insult to our intelligence.

    I expect the vitriol increases with each passing day. [I have more to say on this after I marshal my thoughts better]

    Israeli-firsters constantly bringing up Bani Quraizah as if it is the only point of reference in our mutual history does not help. And you’ve even seen the way some pro-Israeli guys come at me – I know you don’t – but that’s the kind of low brow crap that is completely disrespectful.

    Yes, the Bani Quraizah episode does get good circulation, doesn’t it? It’s to be ignored. One needs to have a certain stock of equanimity to deal with these annoyances, which I believe I’ve seen you dispatch with great ease :-)

    Apparently, if some in the West get their way, we may have a situation on our hands where the big burly Ishmaelite has to step forward again and say; alright little guy step behind me again, I got this.

    Haha true. But don’t get too concerned with the Joe Webb types. A full-length mirror, cowboy boots, no shirt, nor pants (of any layer) and they’ll be on their way to an evening of solitary recreation, if not accompanied also, by an excess of onanism.

    Best

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @iffen
    , @Talha
  74. Frankie P says:
    @Talha

    Tahla,

    You claim to say the following as a friend, but by its very nature, it is a statement of someone with little or no understanding of their “friend”. It’s like saying, “Leopard, change your spots.”

    “I personally think this can work (if you know the history of that area then you know it is different than European history and it has been made to work before) – a lot of compromise will have to be done – but as of now Israel has to stop any new settlements – period – if they want to be taken seriously. They also have to stop any more influencing Uncle Sam’s adventures in the ME other than telling him to back the hell off – the neocons have to be completely shunned. Basically, they have to give a real signal to the common Muslim man like myself and others in the region that are willing to be sincere”

    “You know as well as I do that there was a time when Jews could travel and settle throughout the wider ME – it can happen again.”

    Jews still live peacefully in Iran. I highly doubt that ISRAELI Jews will be welcomed in any of the destroyed and destabilized MENA states, countries that were fragmented and weakened solely for the benefit of Israel.

    In sum, Talha, there is only one solution to this problem, and it will be worked out organically.

    The solution is “Demographic change”

    Think about it.

    Frankie P

    • Replies: @Talha
  75. @Sam Shama

    “I’d appreciate silence from the peanut gallery please”

    Hey Sam The Sham,

    In contrast to Talha, forthright, I speak as an enemy.

    Who the fuck do you think you are by addressing “Mr. Giraldi” and asking for the “peanut gallery’s” silence “Disgusting!!!”

    P.G. will truly disappoint were he to make a reply to YOU who has no power but to deliriously obfuscate and lie.

    To reiterate, I know who you are and others are leaning fast too!

    No ad hominen attacks from me, Shammie, I’d really like to have the power to release your horses and incarcerate you in the Bronx Zoo — toss Brand-X peanuts into your cage.

    And invite the 9-11 victims families to look deeply at you.

    Selah!

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  76. Seraphim says:
    @LondonBob

    My impression was always that Netanyahoo went to Moscow to deliver the message to Putin: the fate of Haman (impaling) is awaiting you if you dare to stay in the way of G-d’s people! The message in response was that Israel would have the fate of Judaea described in Josephus’ ‘Bellum Judaicum’.
    The Jews did not understood the message of the destruction of the Temple (as they did not understand the message of the destruction of the first Temple either) and continued their revolts until their ‘kingdom’ was completely wiped out. Apparently they don’t understand even now and they double down. Mobilization of the ‘opposition’ in Russia, preparation of a ‘Maidan’ in Belarus, unleashing of ISIS in Chechnya, increase in Ukrainian belligerence, barely veiled declaration of war against Russia and its infamous ally Iran (John Bolton: “The next conflict is already underway… Iran is the principle threat.”).

    • Replies: @annamaria
  77. Seraphim says:
    @Incitatus

    Americans have a Jewish problem. It is THEIR problem, not of the Jews. What can they do to solve it? Simply cease listening to the Jews, cease groveling to AIPAC, declaring their eternal love for Israel and letting them dictate their policies. Indeed, America first. It is not Jewish interests that should be America’s paramount interest. It is not Israel that should formulate American policies. Forbid the ‘Lobby’ (all lobbies for that matter). Close AIPAC.
    Blame the bycicle-riders!

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  78. George says:

    The Picture accompanying an AIPAC article should not feature Orthodox Jews. Orthodox Jews generally do not support a Jewish nation state for religious reasons.

    It’s Not the American Jews, it’s AIPAC!

    http://www.truetorahjews.org/issues/vegas

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta

    Why Orthodox Jews do not serve in the Israeli military

  79. annamaria says:
    @Seraphim

    “…barely veiled declaration of war against Russia.” It is hard to notice the veil.
    The supremacists have been leading the world to a global catastrophe. Hubris, absence of critical thought and the relativism in ethics are bad advisors.
    The enormous resources have been wasted on destruction, pollution, and slaughter of healthy children in the Middle East. A confluence of the stupid Zionist project and the insatiable thirst for money and power could well lead to the end of humanity. And if the psychopaths are not stopped, the end could happen rather soon.

  80. @Pandos

    What makes you think it was Saudis who “knocked down” the towers? Is it not more accurate to say that the towers were “pulled down”?

  81. @Sam Shama

    I’ve meant to ask you a question for some time now, but never got around to it: have you visited Israel? [I'd appreciate silence from the peanut gallery please]

    If he goes he better take a Hazmat suit just in case he gets sprayed by an Israeli “skunk” (sewage)sprayer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-njv7RJqtRM

    Ya gotta be a special kind of sick.

  82. @Sam Shama

    “the up and coming respected and powerful states (Jordan and Iran)”

    To All — and not exclusively for YOU, Sam he Sham!

    Above quote, the “peanut gallery”gets to see Sam the Sham at his best hasbara game! er… what’s that? The Sham called Iran a “respected” state? Did his horse kick him in his head?

    And Jordan — a “powerful” state? Phooey.

    But Iran, that actually is a different story! At present even crooked Sam The Sham must acknowledge the Islamic Republic of Iran as a respected & powerful country!

    Today’s Wall Street Journal features a very good (front page) article called “Iran lures foreign investors,” by Asa Fitch and Benoit Faucon.

    Western countries are bursting through Iran’s doors to do business, but alas, U.S.A. Zionist-fearing companies are noticeably absent. Four Star General, Gomer Pyle, “Surprise, surprise!”

    Iran’s President Rouhani’s economic team is expected to sign approximately a dozen memorandums of economic understanding with Russia and the talks will include President Vladimir Putin. Bibi Netanyahu at home, sulking, and reading his gift of Flaviux’s history? uh, I don’t think so.

    Please take care to note that Sam The Sham must have received an advance Hasbara-memo that directs him to “go easy” for now on Israel’s existential enemy, the nuke armed Mullahs.

    The Jews are “for” the money, “by” the money and “of’ the money. So hold on to your wallets, All!

    I reckon that the New World Order is considering “cutting” some world space which might allow for the survival of a wealthy & powerful Islamic country besides Saudi Arabia. The Goldman Sachs Group won’t mind especially since they are trying to do untethered investment business with The Peoples Republic of China.

    From behind closed Temple doors… big shit about to erupt.

    The Master Jews wouldn’t be cut out of even a Hell’s Kitchen-business, that is of course, tentative to a contract guarantee that THEY are the one’s who do the burning.

    “Disgusting!” Amen.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  83. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus

    Other Arab nations negotiating for Palestinians? Wouldn’t bet on it. Likud alliance with KSA? May not work out well. My opinion.

    Your opinion carries weight. I say this proposal has merit for a set of reasons not based on an appeal to Arab or Muslim solidarity. More, that the time to read the riot act has arrived for both Israel and the PA. Better parties to play the role of enforcer than the financial patrons?

    Palestinians’ biggest mistake? Allowing the PLO to cheer Saddam post Desert Storm. Many talented professionals I knew with in the Gulf were expelled stateless and unemployed. A great loss.

    Agreed. This is a little-known point of recent history which does not find much currency in these echo chambers. Really, the Palestinians are the least preferred ethnics in the Gulf. Even amongst the Israeli Arabs, a Pal fatigue has set in…

    If there’s an answer, it’s between Israel and the Palestinians. Hard choices need to made by both. Does Israel want to expel Pals on camera as the world watches? Citing historic abuse (justified) while depriving fellow humans of their rights? I have no easy answers (wish I did).

    Its been “tried” apparently. Requires leaders who care less for re-election than determinedly achieving a solution. Netanyahu? Don’t know. PA leadership? Well…..Israel certainly would not do well to expel them, in camera, or, in the cover of the dark. Experience of historic abuse requires Jews to not perpetrate the very same, doesn’t it? That’s easy. What I am less certain of is how we extend full citizenship to Pals in a 1SS without unleashing a precarious demographic nightmare. Which is why I don’t see an alternative to a 2SS, with Jordan assuming a significant part in the proceedings.

  84. Svigor says:

    What’s the answer (‘Antwort’) Floyd? Prohibit them the means to a living? Confiscate their wealth? Put them in ghettos? Deport them to Madagascar or [insert destination here]? ‘Resettlement camps’ [insert destination here] with mandatory labor (after all, wouldn’t want to spoil them with a magnificent dole of 800 calories/day, exposure and all the beatings they can take). When all else fails a ‘final solution’ (Endlösing)?’

    Nah. Just make go ahead and complete what was started with “affirmative action,” Diversity mandates, etc; make “Jew” (and everything else, from ethnicity to religion) an official Diversity category, and allow them no more representation in un-elected gov’t than their share of the population. Do the same for any institution that receives public money (including lobbying firms that influence spending). Put pressure on corporate America to do the same, starting at the top, and working down from there.

    That’d be a pretty great start. Jews should love it, they’ve always been big promoters of this stuff.

    Mind you, I’m not Jewish, so I don’t really have a dog in that fight.

    Don’t sell yourself short, your thinking seems entirely Jewish.

    AIPAC merely reveals the lack of backbone and principle in Americans, whether through greedy politicians or apathetic Americans who don’t care enough to mobilize against this threat.

    The Nazis merely revealed the lack of bravery of Jews. Men who rape little old ladies merely reveal the lack of spine of their victims (she can’t buy a gun?). Etc.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  85. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Think about it friends. A vast empire dedicated to one thing: making U.S. policy conform to what Israel wants no matter what might be good for Americans. In fact, what is good for Americans does not even enter into their calculation. Disgusting.

    Mr. Giraldi, does it ever happen to you to take a guess at what happens to the thousands of “animals” used “for research” in biotech labs, which you can be fairly sure are widely owned and operated by people of any race (with a lot of White Europeans, obviously)?

    Does it “disgust” you?

    The law of nature, and the law of humans say that the weaker (sometimes the weaker individual, other times group, race, species) have no rights whenever their having rights would prevent the stronger from getting anything they want, the way they please to.

    I hate it with all of my mind and heart. But do you?
    I can respect the ordinary people who, despite what they’ll state in speech, agree with the law.
    What I find the hardest to respect is partial agreement with the law.

    So back to the quoted paragraph, what do you find disgusting about it?
    People with more wits/coordination/will power get it; losers are left watching.

    And, of course, the redoubtable Professor Alan Dershowitz was also a featured speaker, a wonderful human being who recently told us goyim that Jewish power in this country is both deserved and granted by Jehovah. It is interesting how Jews among themselves boast about their power but if a gentile so much as suggests the same thing it is anti-Semitism.

    What religion, what religion that has been successful in history, do you know that doesn’t say that “animals” were created to serve “humans” ‘ needs?
    Do you know why they do so?
    Because:

    1) Those “animals” have less developed brains than humans, and so can’t defend themselves from humans

    No more bullet points, it’s just that, 1).

    Does it disgust you, or to quote strictly, do you find it interesting?

    If you look at the thing from a far-enough point of view, you’ll find, to your great surprise, that there’s no essential difference in how you and your much-disliked Harvard law professor think.
    I believe you are both wrong in your thinking, but you blaming him is… interesting.

    Like North Americans were appointed by God (plenty of literature by Puritans) to govern the South, so other people have been appointed, maybe, by God to govern the whole North + South.

    If I could imbue humans with a virtue, that would be consistency.

    • Replies: @nsa
  86. Svigor says:

    Question for Phil G: do you have any idea how much wealth flows from diaspora Jewry to Israel?

    the mission presumably being the expansion of Israel so it will stretch east to west from the Nile to the River Jordan and north to the Turkish border. The indigenous inhabitants will have to be removed, but as they are mostly terrorists that should be okay with the world community and Donald Trump.

    Yes, it will be interesting to see how Israel starts grabbing land, once theirs is full up. My guess is they’ll do it on the sly. Israeli colonists settlers refugees (“overpopulation!”) move into the nicer nearby parts of Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. They use ex-IDF/US/etc. mercenaries PMCs for most security, with the IDF making the occasional cross-border raid against native resistance, to prove that the refugees have real military support. Or maybe they’ll go full-blown humanitarian instead, and use high tech to make Sinai bloom. Easier to justify a land-grab if it was desert first.

    A sort of De Facto Eretz Israel program.

    Sometimes a nation is coopted toward more liberty (the US in the 60s)

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    It’s revealing that Zionist support Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while those same Zionists demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

    It’s also revealing that we don’t see Zionists criticizing Israel’s very real WALL.

    It’s also pretty interesting that the vast majority of the Democrat party is Zionist, along with the vast majority of the Republican party. That it is only a Republican insurgency that supports putting any kind of brakes on open borders lunacy in America.

    I’m grateful Israel has such a powerful and effective lobby looking out for its interests.

    I’m glad my donations to AIPAC are having impact.

    Jews usually do have an impact. Until they’re expelled, or pogrommed, or inquisitioned, or holocausted. The former tends to cause the latter, in fact.

    But that can never happen again, because Jews’ heads are obviously screwed on straight now. Just think about all the ethnic introspection Jews get up to these days that isn’t in the same pattern as the last 2000 years. It certainly could never happen in America, because when Jews aren’t telling us how “ANTI-SEMITIC!!!” we are, they’re telling us we’d never dare touch a hair on their heads.

    (It’s sort of like how freedom for Blacks is invariably followed by the flowering of Black criminal violence)

    P.S. Alden, having just gotten on the wagon myself, I can’t help but point out that it’s “pogrom.” Just one “r.” It really wants to be “progrom,” and make the same kind of sense as “intelligentsia” or “nomenklatura,” believe me, I know, but it isn’t.

  87. @Talha

    Talha, you may be Sham’s friend but Sham is not your friend.

    • Replies: @Talha
  88. Druid says:
    @Sam Shama

    Keep spewing your rubbish.

  89. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    If there’s an answer, it’s between Israel and the Palestinians.

    I agree. Why is the idea that all these Arab and Muslim countries have to be involved in negotiations assumed to be true? Is it just because they are in the region? Was Israel involved in the peace negotiations between Iran and Iraq? Iraq and Kuwait? Will they be involved in peace negotiations in Syria?

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  90. Druid says:
    @in the middle

    Good information and well said!

  91. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    BTW, being a Muslim citizen, you are every bit an American as any other and why should you consider yourself a guest?

    Religious belief, any Muslim in a non-Muslim country is a guest.

    How’d I do, Talha?

    Wait, do you consider your wife and children guests?

    You simply have to find those gold tablets, Talha, it’s the only way.

    • Replies: @Talha
  92. SFG says:
    @iffen

    I’m not sure if he is, but this is Giraldi’s article.

  93. Incitatus says:
    @Seraphim

    Hello Seraphim,

    “Simply cease listening to the Jews, cease groveling to AIPAC, declaring their eternal love for Israel and letting them dictate their policies.”

    I believe AIPAC is a foreign lobbyist and should be treated as such (not new on my behalf). But let me parse your statement. Where Jews are American citizens, they should be listened to as much as any others. You’ll find many disagree with AIPAC (settlements, Iran, Iraq 2003, etc). Not all, but many.

    Most important, whatever their views, ALL have equal rights as citizens. To say anything less is to pass a ‘poison chalice’ to ourselves. Law, always imperfect, means everything. Aeschylus, rescuing Hellenes from blood feud, knew it. Normans dealing with King John knew it.

    I believe in George Washington’s parting advice – avoid passionate attachments. Be it France, England or anyone since. It’s bad for everybody.

    Likud Israel? Distorted by decades support from our Congress. Is it their fault? Partly. Is it also our Congress? Their nudge-nudge, wink-wink and here’s another $600 mill above the already corrupt subsidy to the US defense industry? Cameo appearances to preach to AIPAC? US politicians love it. It’s easy. One-dimensional moral posturing and a chance bring back bacon to your district’s defense contractors. What’s not to like?

    Is it AIPAC and Israel? Congress (they write the checks)? Our defense industries? My bet’s on the latter.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Seraphim
    , @Anon
  94. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    What I am less certain of is how we extend full citizenship to Pals in a 1SS without unleashing a precarious demographic nightmare.

    Hey, Sam. Why is it that when I say “demographic nightmare” for European countries or European-derived countries, I’m a racist… but when you say it for your pet project, you’re not? Just askin’.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  95. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    In contrast to Talha, forthright, I speak as an enemy.

    Your writing is problematic. Did you mean to write ‘forthwith’? Are we enemies then? after all, didn’t I unsay something? You disappoint me.

    [Who the fuck do you think you are by addressing “Mr. Giraldi” and asking for the “peanut gallery’s” silence “Disgusting!!!”]

    I am who I am to you, and didn’t I seek silence from the peanut gallery? I do have friends in the peanut gallery btw, not the snob you take me for :-) .

    You sound upset mate. You also sound like a chap I used to exchange pleasantries with on these pages, glaringly through his absence for the past weeks. Touchy fellow, rather quick to draw the unsolicited broadsword in Giraldi’s defense. Are you travelling incognito my faux Athenian?

    To reiterate, I know who you are and others are leaning fast too!

    You do? Are the others ‘leaning’ this way or the other? Leaning too fast can cause vertigo. Better be careful mate.

    No ad hominen attacks from me, Shammie, I’d really like to have the power to release your horses and incarcerate you in the Bronx Zoo — toss Brand-X peanuts into your cage.

    Really the permutations on ‘ad hominem’ spotted on these pages do not fail to entertain. The other fellow (I forget who) wrote something like ad homoname or something similar. LOL.

    You won’t have the power to release my horses, so spare yourself the torture of a desire never to be fulfilled. Besides, my favourite Arabian, Al-Nūr, would not tolerate Woodchucks in the vicinity :-)

    Enjoy the peanuts though

  96. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Thought I explained this to you back when you asked me the question. Numbers are of the essence, my dear sir, 15-20% minorities being the ideal- salt in the stew as old Derb puts it. Now you can do the proportions I’m sure…..

    • Replies: @geokat62
  97. @Incitatus

    If I moved around a lot and had had 20 different neighbors, all of whom hated me, I think I’d be a bit introspective.

  98. @anarchyst

    the concept of “the chosen”:

    Of course they are the chosen! of their father.
    “Iesus talking to the ‘judeans’(jews):

    You are of your father the devil, and you desire to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he might speak falsehood, he speaks from the own; for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:44.

    So of course they are all that and more! Any questions?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  99. Incitatus says:
    @Svigor

    Ah Svigor,

    Another collection of unattributed quotes taken out of context and manipulated in an irrational rant. Well done!

    You seem to have mastered a very solitary art. I mean very, very, very solitary. Never linking for direct contact. Afraid of it? Cowardice? Need to feed off other’s thoughts but no stomach to confront them? Think they’ll miss your rants and afford you illusory onanism?

    Well, no matter. You know, I went over what you’ve written and it’s way above my head. Help me out:

    “Nah. Just make go ahead and complete what was started with “affirmative action,””

    Give me a hint. I swear I’ll do my best to respond.

    “Don’t sell yourself short, your thinking seems entirely Jewish.”

    As stated I’m not, but I’m flattered. I sometimes fancy myself an Einstein but, Pshaw. There you go again Svigor, trying to seduce me. Poor me! We can’t all be as smart as you.

    I don’t really know what to make of your concluding statement:

    “The Nazis merely revealed the lack of bravery of Jews. Men who rape little old ladies merely reveal the lack of spine of their victims (she can’t buy a gun?). Etc.”

    OK. I admit reading it was kind of like watching ‘Silence of the Lambs’ with you as a sibylline Hannibal Lecter. But that’s unfair. What did you really mean? You’ll have to be patient with me (I heard no voices at Delphi).

    Sorry to intrude on your ‘Fortress of Solitude.’ Say hello to Jor-El for me.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  100. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sherman

    Keith says:

    Sherman …. your historical Jewish hubris is blinding you to your tribe’s historical reasons for pogroms and expulsions.

    Soon or later, the rest of us, excluding the Jewish useful Christian Zionists idiots and Zionist political shills, will finally get sick and tired of AIPAC Zionist political power and sick of perpetual wars for Israel.

    Just like the PNAC document “Rebuilding American’s Defenses”‘ which suggested a need for
    a “castastrophic and catalyzing event- like a new Peal Harbor” to get Americans to support wars in the Middle East against Jewish and Israel’s enemies.

    American’s just needs a catalyzing event like “The Great Depression” to free themselves from the Zionist stranglehold.

    Before this castastrophic and catalyzing event happens, I suggest you save your AIPAC donation money and buy diamonds. The Jewess, Irene Zisblat, claims she swallowed diamonds and shit them out regularly while at Auschwitz. You can learn how the diamonds saved her from the gas chambers in the movie ” The Last Days of the Big Lie”.

    Instead of watching Holohoax stories to help you to remove your blinders, you can learn from
    Institute for Historical Review ” The “Jewish Question” in 15th and 16th Century Spain

    Benzion Netanyahu who wrote the book “The Origins of the Inquisition in the Fifteenth Century”

    Benzion Netanyahu, father of a Bibi Netanyahu, has done a great service in identifying the social,
    economic, and political sources of inter-group conflict that were critical in the establishment
    of the Inquisition. Benzion Netanyahu acknowledges the factor that put much strain on the relations between Christian Gentiles and Jews was the growth of Jewish economic power.

    You might want to sew the diamonds in your pants and become a Jewish doomsday prepper.

  101. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Chucky

    You’ve mixed up what Talha wrote with my statements. Not that I disagree a great deal with Talha, mind you, but you need to read, retain and assign as and where required. Too difficult? I understand.

    Sadly misinformed you are about U.S. companies not doing business with Iran. Have you any familiarity with the idea of cross-holdings? No? Well I’ll let you find out on your own. Here’s a clue: U.S-European joint ventures. Putin smiles and partners …….

    The rest of your post says something …something…about *China*…then *shit erupting* and then *Temple doors*, *Goldman Sachs* what else? You know, Adderall can be helpful.

    cheers.

  102. nsa says:
    @Anonymous

    You are a rare treat….a true Social Darwinist. Yup…..the big eat the small, the smart eat the dumb. Survival of the fittest, not the fattest. All living things compete to survive and then prosper….from viruses to whales….from plankton to redwoods. If nazis stick jooies into ovens set to extra crispy, then that’s just the way it is….nothing personal….just another example of Darwinistic competition. If superior aliens land on earth and decide to use humans for medical experiments or target practice, so be it. It is not an original idea, but morality and religion appear to be just another tactic used by the weak, but smart, to gain the upper hand. As of late, the hominid (killer ape) has ascended to primacy…but for how long?

  103. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    Bringing in others is an excuse for the two interlocutors to wiggle out of direct confrontation. It’s been going on for years.

    Pals need a friend (broker?) to even the scale. Other Muslim nations aren’t the answer. Wish they were, and maybe I’m wrong. But each of them has it’s own agenda, and Pals aren’t number one. The PLO, Hamas? who speaks for the Pals? Who represents Israel? Likud, with legalized land theft and colonization? Not comfortable bedfellows.

    Each side has good reason to distrust the other, and both are well funded in a standoff. Losers? Israelis who want peace. Pals that want peace, employment, and a future.

    The US? Compromised since GHWB and James Baker (if not before).

    Have you read Blumenthal’s ‘51 Day War’? The 4000+ terrorist rockets sent into Israel? Their total combined payload was equivalent to 12 IAF missiles fired into Gaza. No total numbers on IAF missiles fired. Probably safe to say it’s more than 12?

    An unfair comparison to be sure. But peace has to start somewhere.

  104. Talha says:
    @Frankie P

    Hey Frankie,

    Jews still live peacefully in Iran.

    This is the gist of what I am getting at – it will not be done by burning bridges. One must be realistic and extend a hand in good faith. And sometimes one does not get what they want at the time that they want it; one must look to the big picture and the far future. As you likely know, the history of the Middle East does not parallel that of Europe. Too much of the narrative is caught up in what happened on that continent and we are all held hostage by it.

    A scholar I look up to recently posted (after having visited the site of where it occurred):
    Hudaybiyyah [the treaty] is a beautiful reminder: through principled compromise, vision and steadfastness, Allah grants what He doesn’t give to the impetuous.

    I do not consider myself a friend of ‘Israel’ (or many other nation-states) – but it is an organizational abstraction and frankly too much of its roots are European and foreign to that land and I couldn’t care less if it dissolved tomorrow. But the individual people; Jews, Muslims and Christians are real flesh and blood – they are my concern. Yes, it will have to be solved organically, but I do not want a bloodbath in the Holy Land to prove a point. One must be realistic in the way they approach things – you can see how the nutcases are doing with trying to revive their utopian caliphate in Syria/Iraq – they’ve made it a hell for everyone else.

    Peace.

  105. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus

    Hahahaaaa. “Say hello to Jor-El “, loved that one.

  106. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    How’d I do, Talha?

    Pretty well.

    Wait, do you consider your wife and children guests?

    Yeah – and they’re free loaders too! I pay all the rent!

    Peace.

  107. @Incitatus

    Since the US insists on retaining the death penalty surely it should be employed in matters of treason even more than for murder? Most murderers kill but one person while traitors bring death and destruction to all of the nation.

    Interestingly, Great Britain (I can’t write that without snickering even though I was born and raised in GB) abolished the death penalty decades ago though I believe it remains on the books for treason (and for arson in the King’s shipyards) though it is never applied. Surely Tony Blair has given cause for this to change?

    There would be far less treachery if traitors, especially politicians, were executed promptly and publicly and a better world would result. Firing squads would be my recommendation.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  108. Seraphim says:
    @Incitatus

    Jews may be American citizens. The problem starts when they are also citizens of another country and their loyalty goes first to that Fatherland, be it a physical or ‘spiritual’. That was the dilemma of the Jews at all times.
    Christian societies had problems not so much with the Jews (who were always granted the permission to practice their religion) but with the ‘Judaizers’ from among themselves, the ones who wanted to imitate the Jews and to be like them, believing that at the ‘end of times’ they would be admitted to the same benefits that the Jews believe God would shower only upon them. Those (innumerable) who believe like the televangelists that “our nation was founded as a haven of refuge for the Jewish people as they sought asylum from the rampant anti-Semitism of Europe. And because America received the Jewish people of the world, God richly blessed our nation… We must come back to the unconditional support of the nation of Israel; without it, our nation will be outside of the blessings of God now and forevermore! The Judgement of the Nations (Joel 3:2) is where God the Father will judge men and nations based on how they treated His brethren, the Jews. America must be on the right side of that Judgement; we have been warned by the Lord Himself!”.
    Those who “believe that “the Lord will bless those who bless Israel and curse those that curse His beloved people” (Russia and Iran hell-bent on destroying Israel- but don’t worry, they will be utterly destroyed and the arch-villain Putler will have the fate of Haman, as Netanyahoo reminded Putin). You don’t believe that the anti-Russian hysteria that sweeps America has other reasons.
    Don’t go to AIPAC meetings.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  109. Talha says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Hey NtD,

    Like I said to Frankie – I may not agree with everything (or even a good amount) of what Sam has to say, but that doesn’t necessarily matter. Making peace between someone that one already has a bunch of common ground with requires no effort – between two different viewpoints is where sincerity and effort are required. I want to hear what he has to say and I want him to listen to my viewpoint and frankly it has helped me to understand things better.

    The late Dr. Hassan Hathout (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Hathout) was one of the elders in the SoCal Muslim community. Soft-spoken and erudite, he had a very generous and humble character. One time a friend told me about what he did in one of the wars between Egypt and Israel (I forget which one) – he was a soldier and ended up capturing an Israeli soldier in the conflict. He treated the man so well (he wanted to exemplify the best of the Prophetic tradition) that they became friends even after the prisoner swaps and kept in touch with each other across the borders well into old age. We have to raise the bar in our conduct.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Sam Shama
  110. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hey Sam,

    thought the Saudis were well-loved

    They have to buy friends. The rich elite in many countries love them, but the common man? I don’t think I have met one who thinks well of them.

    we are headed down the path to a clash with the Muslim world

    I want to avoid this completely – I do hope cooler heads prevail.

    this is a flawed way to approach the matter

    You got me there – wow, sorry – I didn’t even know I was doing that. Well, when you get called a visitor or invader enough, you start to internalize (and apparently project) it.

    BTW, being a Muslim citizen, you are every bit an American as any other and why should you consider yourself a guest?

    Two sides to this; 1) in the secular framework I am a citizen, 2) according to the sacred law – not UNZ posters – (which is the framework one falls back on if the secular one fails), I am a basically a dhimmi in a non-Muslim land – a guest/visitor with a contract between me and the government of the land in which I reside – one with a boatload of rights, but one must be realistic about these things.

    Bad business all around.

    Indeed and they need to be publicly vocal that if the US is going to war or trying to topple Syria or something that; a) they are completely opposed to it, b) remain neutral and not take advantage of these situations to bomb munitions plants or other things they do and c) definitely not throw in their lot with regional players that will cause even more havoc – like Kurds trying to carve out their own nation-state. Again, unless those things take place, people will not take overtures seriously.

    Yes, the Bani Quraizah episode

    Yeah, they never talk about how the Caliph Umar (ra) set a precedent of conduct for us by granting a blind, old Jewish man a pension from the Muslim state treasury to relieve him from having to beg. That and other historical occurrences get swept under the rug.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
  111. @Talha

    Hi Talha,

    You’re a good man to be sure. The line that I quoted about you being his friend but him not being yours was just me paraphrasing what Mossad agent turned author Victor Ostrovsky was told in training by his superior, “America may be Israel’s friend but Israel is not America’s friend”

    Sometimes it’s good to know these things…

    Salaam

  112. @Sam Shama

    Sam The Sham,

    I must go to do honorable work, something foreign to you.

    In meantime, were I to “read and retain” according to your stilted pattern, I’d be one with iffen’s world view. brrr. No thanks.

    Yes — “cross-holdings.” That’s what you do when your right hand gets tired.

    Will catch up with you later though… to date, I am happy author P. Giraldi did not!

  113. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @OilcanFloyd

    What stood out to me in that one video was how violent the JDL thugs became when they saw the sign about Israel being involved in 9/11.

    So far, our corrupt govt and the lying MSM has blamed Afghanistan, Iraq, Qaddafi, Iran–which got sued for 6 billion and lost–Syria and now Saudi Arabia, who is also getting sued, when the real 9/11 attackers were a ‘gift’ from our special ally.

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

    • Replies: @RobinG
  114. Fabian says:

    You know the photo had nothing to do with AIPAC, it sounds like pain anti-Semitism, I would advise you to read a little about it “Dr.”

  115. @Sam Shama

    Even amongst the Israeli Arabs, a Pal fatigue has set in…

    Possibly so, but there’s a lot of fatigue all around it seems.

    Besides, there doesn’t seem to be much “Pal fatigue” among American Jews who have a clue.

    ‘US is overwhelmingly partial to Israel,’ Pelosi admits at AIPAC [Sign of AIPAC fatigue, maybe?]

    …but the support for Palestinians is slowly rising– to 80. Bernie Sanders didn’t appear at AIPAC last year, or this year either, for good reason. He actually talks about the occupation, and young Democrats want him to.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/03/overwhelmingly-partial-israel/

  116. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Incitatus

    Keith says:

    “Is it AIPAC and Israel ? Congress (They write the checks?) Our defense industries?
    My bet’s on the latter.”

    None of this corruption and transfer of American tax dollars to Israel and the defense industries would be possible without the Jewish mythology (God was in the real estate business and gave his chosen the cat litter box in Palestine).

    My bet’s on who writes the checks is the Protocol Elders oligarchs like Sheldson Adelson, a dual American and Israel citizen.

    Here’s how the influence is paid for: The Jewish oligarchs on Wall Street ( Many own a shit load of stock in defense industries) buy (donate to) our treasonous congressman and then Congress writes the checks for foreign aid to Israel. This is the sole purpose of AIPAC.. divert American taxes to finance war against against Israel’s enemies in the Middle East. What does non Jews get
    for their forced generosity? Terrorist blowback. Oh… I forgot about the Zionist main stream media, who decides who American enemies are with their incessant (Neo Con shills on MSM) warmongering.

    Who are our enemies today? No, I mean, who does AIPAC say our enemies are?

    Iraq, Libya, Syria, … Iran…. Russia, and don’t forget the homeless Palestinians.,

    If ONLY Americans knew. This is why I write on the UNZ. Truly a bastion of freedom of speech.

    Did you ever write to the Jewish ( Israel’s gate keepers) New York Times, all the news your not allowed to print…. Or the Wall Street Jorunal. Reserved spots for the Jewish fifth column like
    the Sam the Sham. Iffen, Incitatus Sherman and you only.

    This is why America will never be Great Again. The Trojan horse (AIPAC) came through the gate
    a long time ago.

    Now, what do we do?

    • Replies: @iffen
  117. Talha says:
    @jacques sheete

    Hey JS,

    Jewish gangsters

    …An alley in Chicago. One of the rival Italian gangs is loading a truck full of illegal whiskey. From the shadows, a car slowly pulls into view directly under the street light. Out of it file five men looking much like those in the picture above with full loaded tommy guns. Grimly, they level their weapons and unload bullet after bullet into their foes and their cargo. Smoke furls from their barrels into the street light and disappears into the darkness. Their locks rock back and forth as they rotate and turn to make sure the bullets cover the entire scene; neither truck nor booze nor man is spared. One pauses to adjust his glasses.

    “Take that you mashuganas!” is the only thing the old woman hears as she sees the car drive away from her fourth story window.

    A cat meows as it laps up some spilled milk from the knapsack of one of the victims…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  118. iffen says:
    @Anon

    the Sam the Sham. Iffen, Incitatus Sherman

    Yes! 2nd billing!

    That Hasbara bonus is in a tractor beam walk to me like an 88 going to a beer hall.

    • Replies: @Anon
  119. The two advantages of the Jews:
    1. Their high level of organization, and
    2. Their nasty Old Testament “chosen one” morality.

    What is happening now has been years in the making. Mass immigration, forced diversity, and the fanning of the flames of cultural/racial/sexual over-sensitivity have severely damaged our unity as a people, and has resulted in a great amount of conflict. And Christian morality, which set the western world on a new course 2,000 years ago, and was morally successful in restraining the elites from doing what they are now doing, has been targeted for destruction.

    Judaism is first and foremost a form of political and economic organization. It may have the outward appearance of a religion, with its ancient religious stories, but the substance of it is a political and economic organization that is designed to accumulate power and wealth. If this sounds a lot like capitalism, that’s because it is a lot like capitalism. So much so that our anointed leaders, whose actions are guided by the morality of capitalism, have much more in common with the chosen ones than they do with us.

    What is happening now in the west is a uniting of the elites, guided by their anti-Christian judeo-capitalistic morality built on the accumulation of power and wealth, against the vastly disorganized masses with a greatly weakened Christian morality as their guide, who they have less and less in common with, and as technology advances, are less and less needed, and as population grows, are more and more a drain on limited resources. And the strategy of these united elites is simply to divide and conquer. And money, as it has evolved, is their main tool of political and economic control.

    • Agree: utu, L.K
    • Replies: @Anon
  120. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Keith says:

    “thought the Saudis were well-loved”

    The Saudis are loved for their money, just like the Jews.

    The Saudis are lucky and should count their stars. If a truely American president was in the White House, we would have started pulverizing them with “Shock and Awh” a long time ago.

    We have enough evidence to sue the Saudi government for financing 911 and not enough evidence to start bombing them? If we had the same evidence on Iran, we would have turned Tehran into
    dust, just like the world trade center towers.

    The Saudis had the audacity to threaten America with withdrawing 700 billion out
    of our economy, to punish us for sueing them. We should have immediately confiscated all it their holdings, encluding the Citi Corp building in NY. Instead, Trump last week kissed the Saudis prince’s hand.

    I can’t wait for the trial. The trail I thought would never be possible in Zionist country. Is Israel
    and the American Jews throwing Saudi Arabia under the bus? Why would they do this, especially when the have a common enemy, Iran.

    Will the trial implicate the Jewish Neocons in the murder of 3000 Americans.

    With your eyes you saw the towers come down by demolitions, while Israelis were celebrating in NJ.

    Who had complete access to the towers? The Zionist Larry Silverstein, Bib’s friend.

  121. Z-man says:
    @Talha

    And in modern day Amerikwa, Russian Jew mobsters are the most ruthless. American mobster, “We Italians will kill you. But the Russians are crazy — they’ll kill your whole family.”
    “This view also is shared by policemen who have had to deal with the Jews. A New York City policeman told Friedman:
    The Russians are ruthless and crazy. It’s a bad combination. They’ll shoot you just to see if their gun works.”

    • Replies: @Talha
  122. @Incitatus

    Incitatus, what does resenting Jewish traitors and rabble rousers in America have to do with Nazis or the holocaust? I’m an American dealing with American issues, and we do have a very real Jewish problem. Americans have been very good to Jews, and this is what we get in return?

    Guess what? I don’t like Jews as a group. So what? I don’t see them doing much good for America as a group, and I perfectly well understand why they have been shown the door and the sword so many times, by so many different peoples. If Jews were as traitorous, hostile and corrosive in Europe as they are in America (the holodomar shows that they were far worse, so far!) then I completely understand the desire to be rid of them, either voluntarily or by force if they refused to leave. No big deal. Whatever actually happened to Jews during WWII, I don’t care. You can shove Auschwitz up your backside. That’s exactly how I feel. To hell with you. To hell with AIPAC and Jewish SJWs. To hell with the so-called holocaust. To hell with Israel, and to hell with your tribe.

    That’s exactly how I feel, and I’m not a Nazi. I’m an American patriot. Next year in Washington!

    • Agree: anarchyst, Gringo
  123. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Clearpoint

    Keith says:

    Great comment.

    You made a very clear point.

    Where can we go from here?

    • Replies: @Clearpoint
  124. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Thought I explained this to you back when you asked me the question. Numbers are of the essence, my dear sir, 15-20% minorities being the ideal- salt in the stew

    Yes, of course, you did. Here is the last exchange we had on this topic. I presented the following alarming statistic about US demographic trends:

    The nation’s demographics are on a clear trajectory: White people are dying faster than they are being born, which means they are on target to become a minority in the United States in 30 years.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/25/whites-on-target-to-become-a-us-minority.html

    to which you replied:

    As I have always maintained numbers are of the essence, and the numbers do not cause me any alarm. Whites growing less than replacement rate will likely reverse.*

    Since you further clarified that you’re in favour of immigration levels that will add a little spice but not spoil the main ingredient by making it too salty, I am now in a position to make the following observation.

    I too, believe that numbers are of the essence and that adding a little salt to the stew is acceptable. But here’s the key question the answer to which distinguishes the Zionist project from all other countries: is the salt to be added domestic or imported?

    Whereas in the case of the Zionist project, the indigenous Palestinians would regard the settlers as the salt and themselves as the stew, in European and European-derived countries, however, the salt is the non-European immigrants.

    See the difference?

    btw – all this talk about stew is making me hungry.

    * perhaps you could indicate on what basis you have arrived at this conclusion?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  125. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Keith says:

    ” like a 88 going to a beer hall”

    Please use your often and used trick.

    Call American patriots by their Jewish original assigned name. “Anti Semites”

    Your old trick doesn’t work, why do you think 88 will work to suppress free speech and telling the truth?

    My father and uncle took your ancestor’s
    Chestnuts out of the European fire, and now your pay back is the Trojan horse AIPAC. How ungrateful and expected.

  126. Talha says:
    @Z-man

    Hey Z-man,

    I thought ‘Russian’ in that context was a euphemism for Chechen, no? Maybe it’s just in the movies.

    …By the time Police Chief Finnegan and his crew arrived, the dreidel had long ago stopped spinning. The cat pawed at it nervously, not knowing this was the same signature call sign left at the fifth such incident in just two weeks…

    Peace.

  127. Rurik says:

    Will it ever end? I don’t know.

    the American revolutionary war was not fought over the Stamp Act or ‘taxation without representation’, but rather because Rothschild’s Bank of England demanded the colonies use their debt-based fiat currency, (as a way to enslave and dominate the colonials).

    http://www.lovethetruth.com/books/pawns/05.htm

    then again in 1812, Rothschild demanded at the point of a bayonet that Americans be their debt slaves. Only to be humiliated and sent packing back to Perfidious Albion.

    then again around 1833, it was Andrew Jackson that stomped the slithering Fiend dead at his feet..

    only to have the catastrophic Woodrow Wilson doom us all and hand over our collective destiny to these execrable men (and their spawn)

    all of these wars ever since WWI, right at the point when Wilson handed over control of this country to these Satanic snakes, are all a direct and predictable consequence of having these utterly mendacious and insatiably avaricious, craven little men given the power to issue America’s money, at interest.

    unless or until we can free ourselves from this Zionist yoke around our collective necks, we will all know nothing but wars for Israel and treachery and doom domestically.

    our only hope:

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/house-panel-passes-bill-to-audit-the-fed-2017-03-28

    and by our, I mean every denizen of this planet

    because if history is any indication, these netherworld scum will never, ever relent until they have their boot firmly and permanently on our necks, or are sent packing to beyond the Pale. And history shows that they are capable of *anything, when it comes to exerting their nefarious$ domination over the rest of us.

    *http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q25/tedge_bucket/911%20Remembered/WTC911e.jpg

  128. RobinG says:

    Oily has his own axe to grind (which apparently has only one edge). The JDL (Kahane) thugs don’t need any mention of 9/11 to become violent.

    http://forward.com/fast-forward/367168/watch-jewish-defense-league-clashes-with-protestors-at-aipac/

    A dozen JDL members or sympathizers also appeared in the video, confronting a much larger group of left-wing protestors who carried signs that read #JewishResistance.

    Founded in 1968 by the firebrand Jewish nationalist Meir Kahane, the JDL is seeking to re-establish itself in the United States after decades of inactivity. Leaders of the nascent American branch can be seen in the same the video as well as the current head of the Canadian branch of the movement.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  129. gwynedd1 says:

    Any Jew that does not support Bulgaria is anti-Bulgar. Until the racists and bigots in the US grant 4 billion a year to Bulgaria, I will never cease to express my disgust for this injustice.

  130. @RobinG

    Do you really believe that the Jewish problem in America is just a handful of JDL idiots? Did you even watch the video that you posted or commented on?

    Any American should have an axe to grind with the Jewish community, since they produce so many traitors for Israel/tribe and SJW rabble rousers.

  131. @Sam Shama

    “Have you any familiarity with the idea cross-holdings.”

    Hey Sam The Sham,

    I did not need your “clue” and yes — I do have familiarity, especially with the business “cross-holdings” indulged by the late-Marc Rich.

    For those who may have forgotten about Rich’s criminal enterprises & presidential pardon, I provide the Guardian “link” below.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/jun/26/marc-rich-commodities-trader-fugitive-dies

    Finally, Sam the Sham, the sheer badness of your greedy economic solutions for humanity gives me strength. Thank you.

    Chucky

    post scriptum:
    To others, and upon making a return to P.G.’s AIPAC topic, it is “disgusting” how so many enRICHed U.S. politicians are on the brink of allowing a Bantustan solution for Palestinians.

    (Sigh0 Our rich U.S. Senators should not just sit back & enjoy their power and lavish lifestyles, because the Jews can one day set aside and replace them with new slops who are greedier & less patriotic than they. Karma?

  132. Kagame was the leader of the RPF. The RPF, at the time under the leadership of Fred Rwigema, invaded Rwanda from Uganda in 1990, and Rwigema was killed in the initial invasion, prompting Kagame to return from his IMET junket at Ft Leavenworth. He assassinated (with US, British, Belgian and Canadian assistance) the president of Rwanda, Habyarimana, and proceeded to take over the country. The bulk of the dead were Hutus, killed by his forces. USA, Canada, Britain and Israel have been supporting him since, including launching fraudulent prosecutions of the former Rwandan government’s officials. The usual scam of plea bargains (coupled with death threats against the family members of the accused) were used, but some defendants stood up to this.

    The British army was involved in the “warning the world of the impending genocide” post facto scam (though Philpot is a bit pc). Gourevitch, of common-law relation to the likes of James Rubin (state department) and Amanpour (CNN), published the fraudulent document, demolished in the trial of Ndindiliyimana. Dallaire invaded DRC, to steal mineral wealth, in the form of Coltan, which has military applications (Cobalt) and electronic applications (Tantalum). 5-10 million people from Congo-Kinshasa died as a consequence.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Johan Meyer
  133. Talha says:
    @Johan Meyer

    Bro – I think you posted on the wrong thread – but thanks for that info. I was aware of the massacres under King Leopold (ones which get surprisingly little publicity despite the numbers – it dwarfs both what happened in Germany and Armenia) – and I knew there was a brewing nightmare in the Congo for the last decade or so, but did not know the details.

    As I said in another thread – the Day of Judgment will be a very grim day.

    Peace and much respect.

    • Replies: @Johan Meyer
  134. annamaria says:
    @Seraphim

    “…the anti-Russian hysteria that sweeps America…”

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/29/the-sleazy-origins-of-russia-gate/

    “The Sleazy Origins of Russia-gate,” by Robert Parry

    “Schiff’s seamless 15-minute narrative of the Trump campaign’s alleged collaboration with Russia followed the script prepared by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele… Steele, who had worked for Britain’s MI-6 in Russia, said he tapped into ex-colleagues and unnamed sources inside Russia, including leadership figures in the Kremlin, to piece together a series of sensational reports that became the basis of the current congressional and FBI investigations into Trump’s alleged ties to Moscow.” However, “neither Steele nor the “oppo research” company, Fusion GPS, that hired him – reportedly with funding from Clinton allies – has been summoned to testify.”

    The Trump team should start preparing a defamation lawsuit against Schiff ASAP. Let Mr. Schiff to fulfill his role du jour of a victim suffering eternal victimhood.
    This morsel could be helpful for the lawsuit: “Since last November’s election, Steele has ducked public inquiries and Glenn Simpson, the former Wall Street Journal journalist who heads Fusion GPS, has refused to divulge who hired his firm or answer other relevant questions. That means we still don’t know which Clinton friends paid for the dirt and how much money was given to subcontractors like Steele and his Russian associates. (One source told me it may have totaled around $1 million.)”

  135. bjondo says:
    @Sam Shama

    Agreed. This is a little-known point of recent history which does not find much currency in these echo chambers. Really, the Palestinians are the least preferred ethnics in the Gulf. Even amongst the Israeli Arabs, a Pal fatigue has set in

    ‘least preferred’ because those below the corrupt, western-approved elite fear the Palestinians because the mass of their citizens strongly support the Palestinians who are the symbol of struggle against monsters, thieves, parasites.

    “Pal fatigue” only among Jews who want all Palestinians gone. Israeli Arabs are Palestinians and are not tired of themselves. All Palestinians (and 97% of the rest of the world) have Jew fatigue to put it mildly.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  136. @Talha

    Giraldi asks why Kagame is present. Hence I present what I know. You might like some of my views, and thanks for the kind words, but I think if you were to know all my political views, you’d probably be rather appalled…

    • Replies: @Talha
  137. @Johan Meyer

    “Dallaire invaded DRC” should read “Kagame invaded DRC”.

  138. jconsley says:
    @Chris 07

    Why are Americans denied the information necessary for citizens to be knowledgeable about AIPAC and its tactics? This has been going on since the sixties. Fulbright held hearings about U.S. tax dollars given to Israel and then laundered and returned as campaign contributions for Congress. Consequently, U.S. citizens are taxed so that Israelis have U.S. tax dollars to buy influence in the U.S. Congress. Moreover, there is something terribly wrong when Americans who disagree with “Israeli values” are never allowed or represented on the “news media” to voice dissent. Most American citizens do not share these Israeli values of: (1) not recognizing and abiding by International laws, (2) capturing territory and removing or forcing indigent citizens from their land and use of water/and resources, (3) enforcing apartheid laws in captured territory, (4) rejecting U.N. Resolutions and descriptions of war crimes and (5) refusal to declare borders for the State of Israel. What are the exact borders of Israel that U.S Senators and Representatives recognize to be defended? In agreeing that the U.S. will use its U.N. veto power at Israel’s request and for its sole benefit rather than foremost for U.S. interests, such acquiescence actually subjugates 330 million U.S. citizens’ interests and values to those of 6 million Israelis.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  139. jconsley says:

    what needs to be moderated? these comments are accurate! Fulbright did hold hearings and they are on record in U.S. archives! U.S. interests are subjugated to Israel’s interests in many more instances!

    • Replies: @Johan Meyer
    , @Gringo
  140. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha

    he was a soldier and ended up capturing an Israeli soldier in the conflict. He treated the man so well (he wanted to exemplify the best of the Prophetic tradition) that they became friends even after the prisoner swaps and kept in touch with each other across the borders well into old age.

    This is a story I can easily relate to, Talha. As you know from our previous exchanges, I am fortunate to have a great many Israeli Arab friends; most of them are outstanding horsemen and we’ve kept the tradition of spending many summer days together with our equine companions. If you talk to my friends, you’ll understand how we feel about each other……..I’ll ignore the vitriol from people who get their rage from a steady diet of internet stories alone.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @jacques sheete
  141. @jconsley

    Probably spam filtration. Your comment shows. The comments seem to pass within ten minutes.

  142. Talha says:
    @Johan Meyer

    Hey JM,

    you’d probably be rather appalled

    Likely not – you’re probably not going to shock me with anything more than what I’ve already seen on these boards. I’ve even had decent exchange with people who have let me know clearly they would like nothing more than to put me and my family on a boat and send us East.

    Welcome to the jungle.

    Peace.

  143. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    I too, believe that numbers are of the essence and that adding a little salt to the stew is acceptable. But here’s the key question the answer to which distinguishes the Zionist project from all other countries: is the salt to be added domestic or imported?

    Jews in Israel? No.

    You must mean Canada, where the First Nation people (Cayuga, Métis, Sioux, Seneca, Chilcotin) find the stew rather too salty at the moment.

    Hope you are enjoying the stew, eh? :-)

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @geokat62
  144. @Anon

    Classical economics and neoclassical economics viewed money as the veil or shadow of economic activity. Austrian economics views money as a commodity, but one which facilitates and makes exchanges of economic goods easier to transact. None of these economic theories understood the real role that money plays. Keynes was right. Money leads and economic activity follows where money leads. Combine this knowledge with the realization that our political system has been reduced from its primary role of legislation and execution and enforcement of the laws to that of just another economic good that is transacted in the money controlled economy, and consequently does as money demands, and the problem we face becomes far more understandable.

    The only thing worse than the government as an economic good for sale to the highest bidder to do as money demands view of the republicans is the government as a money-driven intrusive fixer of people view of the democrats. The proper role of government is not to do as the economically superior class demands; nor is it to do as the morally superior do-gooder class demands. The proper role of a government for, of, and by the people is to protect the rest of us from these predatory and parasitic classes. If government can be re-purposed to its proper role, the control that these predatory and parasitic classes exercise over it via money can be broken.

    Once the money power is removed from the control of the predatory and parasitic classes, a restoration of Christian morality will again be possible. Just like government, religion (and thereby morality) has become an economic good controlled by money. Once freed, religion can once again fulfill its traditional role of establishing, teaching, and safeguarding our Christian morality, as it continues to evolve over time to meet new challenges.

    We are in an imaginary prison that has been controlled by pieces of shiny metal, then scraps of green paper, and now virtual blips on a computer screen. All it takes is a little bit of imagination to see it, and the courage to act on it, and the walls can come tumbling down.

  145. @Sam Shama

    (This comment is not primarily meant for Sam The Sham but he’s welcome to read it)

    Hey geaokat62,

    Please don’t let The Sham do a Star Trek time-reversal, and dispatch you into the beautiful world of First Nation people. As you know, that’s Shammy’s favorite game especially now with the disgusting AIPAC & U.S. politicians as Mr. G’s topic. One two, three… deflect, look elsehwre !

    He’s always sooooooo enthralled with his narcissist “talking down” to commenters on the topic of international trade. And now The Sham’s rides horseback along with Arab-Israeli sidekicks and unlike The Minutemen, he’s shouting, “Hooray, Jared & Mnuchin are coming!”

    For you (below) is a Haaretz article which describes how the-late-Marc Rich defied U.S. sanctions and did “business” with Ayatollah Khomeini. (Note: The Vampire Squid tentacles went deeper into Hades but I wanted to softly introduce you to M.R.’s most notable crimes by going with Haaretz)

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/.premium-1.532365

    By the way, George, if possible, please look at today’s Wall Street Journal front page? There’s a 6″ x 8″ color picture of Vladimir Putin and Iranian President Ruhani (eye to eye) “touted strengthening ties after meeting in Moscow on Tuesday.” What do you think AIPAC and P.M. Netanyahu think about such photo?

    Let’s shed residual antagonisms? There’s too much at stake for our personal egos to add SALT to the wounds that AIPAC & politicians perpetually inflict upon mankind. Be well!

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  146. bjondo says:
    @bjondo

    delete ‘those below’

  147. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    You must mean Canada…

    No doubt that tremendous wrongs have taken place in the past in most New World countries. But none of these indigenous peoples are currently enduring what the Palestinians are currently forced to endure, living under a brutal occupation. I am willing to condemn the crimes of the past, Sam. Are you willing to condemn the crimes of the present?

    • Replies: @bjondo
  148. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hey Sam,

    Yeah, it’s not really the Arabs inside Israel that are as much of a concern (or Circassians, etc. for that matter). It’s the West Bank and Gaza that are the biggest problem something needs to be done about that and fast. I thought the West Bank settlements were bad in the late 90′s when we were protesting at UCLA – now it’s just crazy – it’s almost a fait accompli.

    Looks like the Muslim countries are saying; pull back to 1967 border and full diplomatic relations will start.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-a-message-to-trump-arab-leaders-renew-calls-for-a-palestinian-state/2017/03/29/15c27fd8-10c7-11e7-aa57-2ca1b05c41b8_story.html?utm_term=.dbeba141fc4b

    I personally think this is very reasonable.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  149. Incitatus says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    You raise a great dual question: crime and deterrence.

    “There would be far less treachery if traitors, especially politicians, were executed promptly and publicly and a better world would result.”

    Treason. Lèse-majesté comes to mind. Celebrated beheadings like Thomas More in 1535 or Anne Boleyn the year following. That’s when treason meant pissing-off your monarch (and God, if ruled by divine right). The king was, of course, also the state (apologies Louis XIV). No need to go elsewhere for communal interest, no need for a genuine trial. Off with the head!

    There are few better deterrents than losing one’s head. Well, OK. Drawing-and-quartering, slow disembowelment, burning alive, and flaying are pretty effective. Firing squads are easy, a soldiers death (and not nearly as much fun to watch). Is hanging better? Twitches and grotesque motions – probably more entertaining. Think of the six Lincoln assassins (one women, no less). There’s also William Joyce (Lord Haw Haw; convicted of treason ‘45, hung London ‘46 – the last in the UK – Rebecca West’s ‘Train of Powder’ is a good read).

    Back to beheadings. Think of France and the Terror. The guillotine is a fearsome deterrent! France’s love affair with it ended in 1977. A couple of good centuries, no doubt. Nazis apparently agreed, given their beheading of Sophie (21) and Hans Scholl (24) ‘43 in Munich. The Scholls’ crime? Nonviolent resistance (publishing antiwar pamphlets). Treason. Lèse-majesté.

    Saudi Arabia still prefers beheading for the big ones (amputation for the little ones). Don’t know if anyone else does. In the early 80s one could go to Riyadh’s ‘chop-square’ to watch but, to be honest, I never did. I’ll say this, one felt pretty safe in KSA. Except, of course, driving (it was Russian roulette).

    Let’s get back to the difference between murder and treason. Number of victims? Levels of guilt? Murder can be planned over a long period, or an act spawned by instant rage. Which invites more guilt? Treason usually falls in the premeditated category. And you’re right, it’s against the community, commonwealth or nation. More victims. Greater guilt?

    Look now at recent crimes against the nation and deterrent punishment. Treason’s called espionage, though I’m no lawyer. The Rosenburgs? Executed ‘53. Did that deter John Walker, Robert Hanssen, Jonathan Pollard or Aldrich Ames? Sadly, no.

    Regarding AIPAC, duel loyalty, and corrupt politicians.

    The first should be considered a foreign lobbyist with corresponding tax and regulatory constraints. The second is harder to deal with. Want to ban St-Patrick’s and Puerto-Rico-Day parades? Knights of Columbus (love those uniforms)? When does affection for origins cross the line to sedition?

    No easy answers. Maybe it depends on action. Individual action. Just like any other crime. And equally demanding proof. Last, corrupt politicians. Criminality? same as category two – proof. Hate their record? Vote them out. Wish I had better answers (don’t like watching the AIPAC show either).

    “arson in the King’s shipyards”

    What a great charge! Reminds me of the nuclear submarine USS Miami, burned at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard while in refit 2012. Damage was estimated at $400+ million. At first the source was inexplicable (terrorism?). They eventually traced it to a civilian worker who started it to be able to go home early. He got 17 years in a Federal pen and a $400 million fine. If terrorism, would he have gotten death? Maybe. Motive means a lot, if not everything.

    I’m not holding my breath on payment of the fine.

    • Replies: @iffen
  150. Svigor says:

    Incitatus:

    Think they’ll miss your rants and afford you illusory onanism?

    Shama:

    they’ll be on their way to an evening of solitary recreation, if not accompanied also, by an excess of onanism.

    What is it with Jews, and the frequent references to scatology, masturbation, etc? Yes, this means I’ve turned the corner, and think Incitatus is probably a Jew.

  151. @Talha

    I really can’t see the Chinese putting up with this shit.

    The first Chinese politician to be discovered taking AIPAC like money will be executed.
    End of problem.

  152. Incitatus says:
    @Svigor

    Svigor, what a pleasure!

    Another unlinked post, but at least this time you mention authors. Many thanks!

    And, to be honest, don’t you feel better?

    One hopes for a touch of comedy each day – thanks for doing your best to provide it.

    “What is it with Jews, and the frequent references to scatology, masturbation, etc? Yes, this means I’ve turned the corner, and think Incitatus is probably a Jew.”

    One can plainly see you’ve looked up onanism. Did it seem familiar? Have a history with it that makes it seem natural? Like ranting in unlinked, un-attributed posts against others you’re still afraid to link to?

    Corners?” How many have you “turned”? Actually, I’m kind of afraid to ask that. I have this lurking feeling that, like the celebrated mouse in a maze, you turn a lot of corners. Makes me dizzy.

    Golly. What can one say?

    I’ll be candid (I’m that kind of guy, Svigor). I was trying my best not to say (American term here) you’re a jerk-off. Enough said, say no more. Never happened, all the best, etc.

    Keep ‘em coming (sorry for the pun).

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  153. @Chuck Orloski

    For you (below) is a Haaretz article which describes how the-late-Marc Rich defied U.S. sanctions and did “business” with Ayatollah Khomeini.

    Here’s another.

    Bollyn writes a lot of great stuff.

    Henry Crown became the largest shareholder of Texas-based General Dynamics when he merged his sand and gravel (and cement) company, Material Service Corp., with the nearly bankrupt defense contractor in 1959. Crown’s new company was in dire straits financially until 1962 when it was rescued by a $7 billion contract to produce a new fighter jet for the military. This became known as the TFX/F-111 scandal. In 1963 General Dynamics came under congressional investigation to determine exactly how Henry Crown had finagled this huge Texas deal.

    http://www.bollyn.com/the-zionist-criminal-network/#article_14597

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  154. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    “A person who does evil by reason of ignorance is less culpable than a person who, knowing evil, does so anyway?”

    I don’t believe that. Ignorance isn’t an excuse, any more than ‘following orders’ was at Nüremberg. Each of us is responsible for our action. Each must be tireless in determining the morality of our action moment to moment.

    Motive means a lot, if not everything.

    I see a serious contradiction here, help me out.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  155. geokat62 says:

    Diogenes has just discovered an honest man. His name is Ilan Pappe, keynote speaker at this year’s The Israel Lobby and American Policy.

    Here’s just a snippet of his excellent speech:

    But I think more than anything else, I’m always surprised when I’m sort of re-listening to John Kerry’s last speech. If you remember, in a very dramatic voice he explained to us that without a two-state solution, the only possible scenario is an apartheid Israel. I wanted to say, hello, John. How are you? I’m looking up. The one-state apartheid is already there, so your warning is not about the future. You’re actually describing the present.

    Secondly, couldn’t you find one moment in your speech, maybe two sentences in your speech to say that actually having a democratic state for Jews and Palestinians between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean is not a doomsday scenario? Couldn’t you just say wouldn’t it be wonderful to have settlers and natives living as equal citizens in the same state? Why do you have to describe this as a doomsday scenario? The only people in the world who would describe this as a doomsday scenario are Zionists. Because they think that when the Jews are not the majority, the only possible thing Palestinians can do is to kill them.

    Well, I lived in Haifa all my life. I lived in the Galilee. I was in political outfits and academic outfits where the Jews were the minority and nothing bad happened to us. The idea that Palestine cannot be a political outfit if the Palestinians are the majority and the Jews are the minority is a racist idea that should be challenged strongly.

    http://israellobbyandamericanpolicy.org/Transcripts/Ilan_Pappe.html

    Hope you are enjoying your mutton, Sam.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @RobinG
    , @Sam Shama
  156. Seraphim says:
    @Svigor

    Onanism is a Jewish invention! It is in their ‘Tanakh’. Onan was the son of Judah.
    Jewish obsession with excreta (especially feces) is well known, freely admitted by many Jews. It is, as their own Freud ‘discovered’ an arrestation in their “psychosexual development”at the “anal stage,” in which, around the age of two, pleasurable sensations become centered on the anus, and children become fascinated by their own feces. This is the stage of life where, according to Freud “anal personalities” could develop.
    Feces are the symbol of desecration. There are cases when shitting on sacred objects or smearing shit on them is accompanied by masturbation.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Anon
    , @Incitatus
  157. bjondo says:

    Somehow Jews in North America, South America, elsewhere where the indigenes were/are treated badly do not consider themselves as part of those invaders. They refer to how natives were/are treated in the Americas as somehow they were not, are not part of the invasion, occupation.

    Of course they were,are just as jews are the alien invaders of Palestine.

    Somehow Jews in their slick discourses are separate from those invaders even though they were the dominant group in slavery, repression, theft.

  158. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus

    I am going to archive this one for the ages!

    Doubled over, sides splitting.

    HAHAHAHA

  159. Makes ludicrous the accusations of treason against Trump for merely not wanting war with Russia, when many of the same are genuinely themselves shills for another foreign government.

    I first encountered Stephen Harper, long before his ascent to becoming Prime Minister of Canada, at the corporate astro-turf organization, National Citizens’ Coalition, loyal to corporate interests – which certainly didn’t neatly coincide with those of evangelical Christian causes. Stephen was always foremost a man with his eye on the Main Chance. Western Ukrainian immigrant support has always been a driver in Canadian “progressive conservative” politics, hence Canada’s pit bull virulence against Russia is a nod to domestic power politics, rather than the actions of the international neutral and fair player Canada pretends to be. It doesn’t help either that there’s a long disputed arctic border where both countries contend for globally warming natural resources.

    The Canadian versions of AIPAC have even more influence, in the absence of any Canadian First Amendment rights. Questioning the approved thinking can get you called before Human Rights Tribunes who have suborned human rights concerns in favor of corporate mandated political correctness.

  160. Sam Shama says:
    @Seraphim

    Must you always sing our praises so? Many thanks, of course, but it does get a bit awkward.

    Jewish contribution to Germany goes so much farther than science, music and the letters, you know.

    Have you read ‘Life is Like a Chicken Coop Ladder’?

    https://www.amazon.com/Life-Like-Chicken-Coop-Ladder/dp/0814320384/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1490838923&sr=8-1&keywords=life+is+like+a+chicken+coop+ladder

    Dundes sets it out brilliantly. The German national character centred around ‘schiesse’, ‘mist’ ‘dreck’, ‘arsch’, ‘dukatenscheisser’ (money shitter – jews one presumes?). Give it a read, and expand your horizons beyond eschatology to include scatology .

    Why stop at folklore? take it from Amadeus, writing to his female cousin Maria Anna:

    lezt wünsch ich eine gute nacht/
    scheissen sie ins bett dass es kracht/
    schlafens gesund/
    reckens den arsch zum mund

    translated to:

    Well, I wish you good night
    But first shit in your bed and make it burst.
    Sleep soundly, my love
    Into your mouth your arse you’ll shove

    And the seraphim shall sing with celestial light and purity…..

  161. bjondo says:
    @geokat62

    And Sam should also condemn crimes of past along with crimes of present and crimes of tomorrow.

    Jews were participants of crimes in the past/present of all the Americas. Not just participants but dominant.

    Slick to point to Canada as if only non Jew involved.

  162. Talha says:
    @geokat62

    Hey JS,

    Excellent find – keep sources like this coming – will try to read more by him. Very good stuff!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Chuck Orloski
  163. RobinG says:
    @Talha

    Yo, Talha,

    That’s not JS. It’s Geo. And Pappe’s book, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, was an immediate classic – which made him an immediate pariah.

    The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. By Ilan Pappe

    • Replies: @Talha
  164. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    “WASHINGTON’S LONG WAR ON SYRIA”

    “…a timely and indispensable resource…”
    “. .well-researched and highly readable …”
    “.. clear portrait of the Syrian Arab Republic, and .. extensive [U.S.] efforts to bring it down.

    Stephen Gowans, will launch his authoritative new book, “Washington’s Long War on Syria”, in a number of Central Canadian cities over the next two months.

    OTTAWA: Wednesday April 5.
    MISSISSAUGA: Sunday April 23
    TORONTO: Monday, April 24
    HAMILTON: ??
    ST CATHARINES: ??
    TORONTO: Thursday, April 27
    MONTREAL: Tuesday, May 2

    Details: https://www.facebook.com/events/1774137262902073/

    • Replies: @geokat62
  165. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    Keith says:

    “There are cases when shitting on sacred objects or smearing shit on them is
    accompanied with masturbation.”

    At first I thought the Hasbara crowd again diverted us from the subject of ” AIPAC is in town”

    After reviewing my postings, I realized I triggered this bullshit about shit unwittingly, when I
    talked about the Jewess, Irene Zisblat who told her story about eating diamonds and strategically
    swallowing and defecating them to hide them from the evil Germans while incarcerated at the Auschwitz concentration camp.

    At the time, I didn’t think anyone actually believe this fastastic story. This is why I added it to bring attention to the Holohoax stories in the ” Last Days of a big lie”.

    How would I know I would trigger all of the UNZ ‘s Zionists to mentally revert to their anal stage and start masturbating.

    I apologize to all of the other non Jews, who had to listen to the Zionist’s orgy of excreatment.

    At least we know their bullshit is coming out from them were nature intended, instead of their usually place… their mouths.

    Now… can we please get back to ” The Jewish Trojan horse is in town”.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  166. @jacques sheete

    Thanks, Jacques… had not read this one by C.B.

    He provides connective “dots” and all Americans should follow them.

    Awareness & exposure of evil is the only homeland security available to us right now!

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  167. Seraphim says:
    @Sam Shama

    Jealous that someone may contest your pre-eminence in the subject?
    Don’t worry, it was established by Gershon Legman before Alan Dundes.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  168. @Talha

    Hey Talha,

    Indeed, geokat consistently provides “good stuff.”

    As you might have noticed, Jacques Sheete did too (comment # 157) which revealed the Zionist underground work of Henry Crown.

    During the 1-team L.B.J. presidency, General Dynamics rose to such power that the Johnson’s “Best & Brightest” gave the corporation a huge contract to develop fighter aircraft despite their HIGHER bid offer! Par for the (deadly) fixed course?

    At any rate, I have tried here to “connect the dot,” commodity exchange — Marc Rich. Maybe you considered such matter?

    Also, “dots” are available to track precisely how Obama remarkably defeated opponent Hillary & rose to the presidency. The article below helps show the Way.

    http://ifamericaknew.org/us_ints/po-obamaj.html

    I’m off to work!

    Selah.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  169. annamaria says:
    @jconsley

    “…such acquiescence actually subjugates 330 million U.S. citizens’ interests and values to those of 6 million Israelis.’
    See a metaphorical explanation of the US/Israel relationships (everything is done for the future of parasitoid’s young). “Beautiful wasp zombifies cockroach:”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHsSqsqJtZg

  170. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Ah, Diogenes you old cynic!

    I spot an old gambit.

    Well, what’s good for Judah ought to be good for Diogenes too. Yes? If so, why was Diogenes concerned with the U.S./Canadian demographic thusly?

    The nation’s demographics are on a clear trajectory: White people are dying faster than they are being born, which means they are on target to become a minority in the United States in 30 years.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/25/whites-on-target-to-become-a-us-minority.html

    Have your mutton and eat it too?

    Best

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @geokat62
  171. @Svigor

    …and the frequent references to scatology, masturbation…

    It goes far beyond mere references.

    The hoods used on prisoners by the US and Israel have apparently been contaminated with various forms of filth ( use your imagination), and there’re the “skunk trucks” that spray Palestinian homes with sewage and then there’s this, which probably is NOT an isolated incident.

    “WASHINGTON — “I’m not spreading propaganda,” George Stephanopoulos’ orthodox-nun sister vows, but Israeli soldiers last week “defecated” on the floors of a West Bank medical clinic they raided.
    They’re also looting Palestinians’ homes there, claims Sister Maria Stephanopoulos, a nun at the Convent of St. Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13678/

    Someone Even Managed to Defecate Into the Photocopier
    The IDF soldiers who moved into West Bank cities left behind destruction and degradation, Amira Hass reports.

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/someone-even-managed-to-defecate-into-the-photocopier-1.46032

    ABUSIVE ACT BETWEEN IDF SOLDIERS CAUGHT ON TAPE
    IDF COMMANDER ORDERS AN IMMEDIATE INQUIRY AFTER VIDEO SURFACES SHOWING ONE GOLANI SOLDIER DEFECATING ONTO ANOTHER, BELIEVED TO BE THE RESULT OF A LOST BET.
    BY GILI COHEN | MAY 3, 2013 | 1:23 PM | 7

    http://WWW.HAARETZ.COM/NEWS/DIPLOMACY-DEFENSE/ABUSIVE-ACT-BETWEEN-IDF-SOLDIERS-CAUGHT-ON-TAPE.PREMIUM-1.519073

    We’re obviously dealing with some really sick psychopathy here, dudes and dudettes!

    • Replies: @RobinG
  172. Sam Shama says:
    @Seraphim

    [Jealous that someone may contest your pre-eminence]
    Not a bit. Merely pointing out the principle of equitable accreditation.

  173. @Chuck Orloski

    Some further classic stuff that all ‘Merkins should be aware of. The smirks on their mugs should be a major clue.

    Two minute article that offers a glimpse of the US mobsters who supported the criminal state of Israel in the beginning. The Aspen Institute vid is worth viewing too.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/07/was-it-jihad-when-henry-crown-smuggled-plane-parts-to-israel-and-when-jeffrey-goldberg-moved-there.html

    Was it ‘jihad’ when Henry Crown smuggled plane parts to Israel?

    Philip Weiss on July 29, 2013 27

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  174. It seems to me that Germans also suffered similar experiences as this, but for some reason, we really never hear about it.

    Palestinian American teacher brutally attacked by Jewish Defense League outside AIPAC conference

    Allison Deger on March 29, 2017 17 Commen

    A 55-year old Palestinian-American instructor at a community college in North Carolina was “brutally beaten” by members of the Jewish Defense League (JDL) while walking by the AIPAC conference in Washington DC on Sunday, according to a video and statement …

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/03/palestinian-american-conference/

  175. Talha says:
    @RobinG

    Hey RobinG,

    Doh! See, that’s why posting comments should not be done late at night.

    Sorry Geo – and again, keep sources like that coming.

    Peace.

  176. @Sam Shama

    Sam The Sham: “I spot an old gambit.”

    Hey Sham,

    However much you avoid staying on P. Giraldi’s article topics, did you “spot” the gambit (linked below) where President Trump’s Ambassador to the U.N. sacrificed honorable diplomacy for Israel’s advantage?

    ttp://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.779876

    Ha-ha! Also, here’s Sam The Sham to geokat, in classic Attention Deflection Form: “Why was Diogenes concerned with the U.S./Canadian demographic thusly?” Ha-ha! How far off topic is Shammy willing to go?

    (Sigh) n one of Hunter S. Thomson’s letters, he mockingly wrote about a foul U.S. Congressman. H.S.T. commented: “He’s so crooked that he must screw his pants on in the morning.”

    Ambassador Nikki must have to do similar with her skirts, using perhaps a heavy duty staple gun?

    Heil Haley! Ha-ha.

    (sigh) Selah.

  177. MarkinLA says:

    I just had the misfortune to see CNN while at breakfast and saw that the Senate Intelligence Committee is going to bring in “experts” on Russian disinformation and how they manipulate elections around the world, including an army of “trolls”.

    Obviously, this is not a committee interested in the truth of what happened but one who’s goal it is to cement in the public’s mind that Russia is attacking us. Anybody posting anything good to say about Russia or critical of the US will be deemed a Russian troll whether you are Russian or not or whether it has anything to do with the election or not.

    The sad fact is that most Americans will not be able to see through this charade as the media will relentlessly hype this drivel as an important fact. Even if true that there are Russian trolls, it begs the same question that one had of the Podesta e-mails, why should I care how I got the information if it turns out to be true?

    Yet our government does nothing about the well known Hasbara trolls trying to push our foreign policy the way Israel wants it.

  178. @Sam Shama

    … and we’ve kept the tradition of spending many summer days together with our equine companions.

    Which one is you?

  179. @jacques sheete

    Hey Jacques,

    “… U.S. mobsters who supported the criminal state of Israel.”

    Thanks for supplying the article on Crown’s weapons smuggling trade with Israel!

    Re: the quotation on top:
    As a younger man, I fell into being mesmerized by Italian mafia badass characters. Time passed & the charm “wore off” when notable Italian crime families got involved with the Jewish (Florida-based) mobster, Meyer Lansky.

    As a veteran follower of Atty. Garrison’s great JFK murder investigation, I now stand down from watching A.M.C. (TV) reruns of “The Godfather.” Jacques : Do you remember the ominous front-company “Permindex” that is discussed in O. Stone’s film “JFK”?

    I regret that I do not have a source for “linkage,” but I have read that Al Capone’s Chicago mob relied upon good whisky (for Prohibition era profitable peddling) from the Jewish-Canadian tycoon, Bronfman.

    Perhaps “Canuck” geokat62 knows more on the Bronfman family business-history? I’m not “boundary”referee here, but it’s measurably less “off topic” than where Sam The Sham tempts him to go.

    Thank you… must prep for p.m. school bus pickups!

  180. @MarkinLA

    It’s not irony, Mark. This is gloating. The part I listened to included claims that Russians are using the alternative media to flood the U.S. with pro-Russian propaganda, as if alternative is worse than mainstream and Russian is worse than Israeli/Jewish.

  181. @MarkinLA

    “… most Americans will not be able to see through this charade.”

    Terrific post, MarkinLA!

    Below, one matter that troubles me a lot, & I can not yet get to a viable answer?

    The people who sit on the Senate Intelligence Committees are definitely influenced by AIPAC. To start, can we agree on this?

    Secondly, U.S. Senators, especially the ones who get to serve on “intelligence committees,” are well educated, articulate… but I must stop at calling them smart & wise statesmen. Agreed?

    What annoys me most is HOW they manage to get excited about all the “drivel;” for example, their current passion for determining Russia’s manipulation of the P.O.T.U.S.

    Tentative to one’s capacity for a complete loss of moral integrity, financial compensation, & other perquisite rewards, I conclude that a Congressman can readily go from being a bright & honorable American, i.e., Cynthia McKinney, to Israeli b.s. salesman, Senator Lindsey Graham, in < a heart beat.

    Very frankly, I'd have to be strongly coerced (& doing L.S.D.) in order for me to perform that "bad Hasbara trip" on which the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee now takes its citizens on.

    How do they so energetically do it?

    Thank you, LAMarkin! Gotta run.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  182. @jacques sheete

    Hey Jacques,

    So funny… such is the stuff S.N.L. would do were they allowed!

    Sam the Sham and his Arab-Israeli posse will be pissed! Too bad.

    Cheers & thanks, I am off to work.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  183. MarkinLA says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    I think a lot of what is going on in the Senate is that McCain and Graham think with their thin majority that if they can weaken Trump these two will gain in importance – almost to the point of being the co-Presidents.

    McCain may also be delusional and resentful in that he can’t believe Trump won and he didn’t – even though anybody with some brains could see that a strong borders, anti free-trade, get us out of foreign misadventures policy was a winner with most Americans (something 180 degrees away from McCain).

  184. Sam Shama says:
    @jacques sheete

    Cavalry charge Satmars? I think not. I’d just talk to them.

  185. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    You’ve been in “gotta run to work” mode for the past hour, judging by the last three posts, Woody!

  186. Sam Shama says:
    @jacques sheete

    btw love that black Friesian steed! Thx for sharing the video

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  187. RobinG says:
    @jacques sheete

    OTOH, do not underestimate the political power of shit, which “performance artist” Natali Cohen Vaxberg exploited to great effect.

    a video in response to the shit-on-a-flag and the arrest סרטון התגובה למעצר (פרשת הקקי)

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/police-to-indict-artist-for-defecating-on-israeli-flag/

    Activist to be indicted for defecating on Israeli flag

    Shit instead of blood

  188. Incitatus says:
    @Seraphim

    What a wonderful explanation, Seraphim. Such deep scholarship. Well done! You’ve obviously done a lot of research on the subject. Lab sessions and massive amounts of homework? Let me guess – you’re a not a proctologist by any chance?

    I was going to encourage you avail yourself of Anon’s experience (he seems particularly well versed – practice makes perfect, as they say) but WAIT, this just in:

    “Luther’s lavatory thrills experts”
    “Archaeologists in Germany say they may have found a lavatory where Martin Luther launched the Reformation of the Christian church in the 16th Century.
    The stone room is in a newly-unearthed annex to Luther’s house in Wittenberg.
    Luther is quoted as saying he was “in cloaca”, or in the sewer, when he was inspired to argue that salvation is granted because of faith, not deeds.
    The scholar suffered from constipation and spent many hours in contemplation on the toilet seat.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3944549.stm

    Who could have known?

    Seraphim, you’re the expert. Think Martin’s ‘contemplation’ was only due to bowel blockage? Or does it mean way, way back he’s (whisper) part Jewish? No, no I’m sure that’s out of the question! Nicht in frage! Why, that’s as ridiculous as claiming Jesus was a Jew!

    Nonetheless, the discovery is a great relief to all of us. Sure, mysteries remain. Let Dr. Martin Treu tell it: “We still don’t know what was used for wiping in those days.”

    Seraphim, they need your help. Don’t keep them in suspense. We’re all rooting for you!

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  189. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “Motive means a lot, if not everything.”

    “I see a serious contradiction here, help me out.”

    You shouldn’t.

    “Ignorance isn’t an excuse”

    The arsonist wasn’t ignorant. He wanted to go home early. Why he didn’t fake sick, like 99% in his position, we’ll never know. But he knew he was doing wrong – no question of that. He was not ignorant. In point of fact, he was well aware of guilt – and willingly went forward. That’s where motive kicks in to determine the level of guilt and punishment.

    If another worker had been inadvertently killed in the fire? He’d probably have faced at least negligent homicide. Many workers? More counts of same or much worse.

    What we’re describing need not concern the moral man. It’s what he doesn’t know, and fails to investigate, that may mean downfall. Noblesse oblige.

  190. Incitatus says:
    @Sam Shama

    Lieber Mozart! Keine besser! Gott segne ihn.
    Gut getan, Sam! Vielen Dank!

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  191. @Sam Shama

    btw love that black Friesian steed!

    Yup, them’s some beautiful animals. I’m partial to Belgians, however.

    Anyway does it torque you as much as it does me to see such beautiful animals being used in the service of real anti-Semites?

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Sam Shama
  192. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Well, what’s good for Judah ought to be good for Diogenes too. Yes?

    If it were not for the brutal occupation of over 4 million human beings, Yes.

    In the inimitable words of Slick Willie: “it’s the occupation, stupid.”

    You remember the occupation, don’t you, Sam? Why, it once prompted in to utter these solemn words:

    I do not support any longer what passes for Zionism, nor am I willing to pine for what it used to be. It is an immoral cause.

    Ilan Pappe couldn’t have said it any better, himself.

    • Replies: @iffen
  193. RobinG says:
    @jacques sheete

    Preference for the draught breeds…… are you heavy boys?

    Melancholia – The Red Star Is Missing

  194. @Sam Shama

    take it from Amadeus, writing to his female cousin Maria Anna:

    Forgery. Blatant lie. Some say that was written as a post scriptum by Mozart’s mother in a letter his father, Leo. In any case if it were true, it was meant as humor.

    However,

    Wenns arschle brummt ist Herzl gesund!

    Some here must have a heart as healthy as their imaginations!

    • LOL: L.K
    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  195. Incitatus says:
    @Sam Shama

    Sam,

    Sorry to have missed this earlier.

    KSA’s not well liked in the Gulf or anywhere else (my experience). Talha is right. Consider Bahrain in the 70s (great place under the Khalifas). Now – linked by causeway (‘86)?. KSA meddles daily Bahrain’s affairs. Not for the better, I fear.

    Hamad (schooled in the US) is king. His father was never more than a shaikh (used to appear every Friday if you wanted to talk to him – wonderful figure). What a difference the Sauds and US Fifth Fleet make! What do Bahrainis think? You’d have ask them. Not sure it’s complementary.

    Bin Laben was not stupid. There may be great subsurface dissatisfaction on/in KSA. Attacking Yemen? What’s that all about? A project for an otherwise idle military equipped with the best? Well, except whatever we send Israel.

    Likud allying with the Sauds? Roll the dice and good luck! Don’t expect to be liked by Muslims in the Gulf or Levant (or normal Saudis). Only my opinion.

    “Requires leaders who care less for reelection than determinedly achieving a solution. Netanyahu? Don’t know. PA leadership?”

    Rabin was an exception. Amazing guy. What did it get him? Well, we all know. Death came from a fellow Jew. Go figure (“Killing the King” is a good read). The situation, as you appreciate better than I, is not simple. Amazing there is so much more diversity of opinion within Israel than shows up in the US. AIPAC screening?

    Netanyahu? Siting on a volcano? KSA as allies? Will it really help?

    • Troll: iffen
    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  196. bjondo says:

    Keep forgetting Giraldi.

    Your last two articles have been excellent no punches held back.

    Thank you

  197. Seraphim says:
    @Incitatus

    I am really thrilled by your words of appreciation! Of course, one must do a lot of research before talking about any subject.
    To be true, I had written about the mystery of Luther’s wiping in response to Anon’s post. I was raising the question whether he wrote his theses on the paper he wiped himself with before or after his relieving revelation. But for mysterious reasons my post did not get through.
    Of course it is worth continuing digging, you may find diamonds (like that lady survivor, the ‘Diamond Girl’ made famous by Spielberg’s fictitious documentary “The Last Days” – btw, YouTube deleted the video of her ‘testimony’)!

  198. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus

    Ich versuche. Vielen Dank an dich, Incitatus.

  199. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Why do you go on with this tedious nonsense?

    He doesn’t support the mistreatment of the Palestinians in Israel or Gaza; it is very clear that it troubles him.

    What do you want? Do you want him to renounce the existence of Israel?

    Not likely to happen.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  200. Seraphim says:
    @Anon

    In many languages ‘eating shit’ means ‘to lie’. This perfectly illustrates what the “Diamond Girl” story is about (as the whole ‘The Last Days’ hoax).
    But that is not fake:

    “Man Smears Excrement on Church Door, Masturbates on Steps in Sacrilegious Act”, by Leonardo Blair , Christian Post Reporter, Jan 1, 2014 :

    “A 19-year-old who allegedly violated a Bay City, Mich., church by repeatedly smearing feces on the church’s door and masturbating on the steps of the building says he was forced to take his lewd behavior to church because there wasn’t sufficient privacy in the apartment he shared with his mother and father.
    The Bay County Sheriff’s Office identified the youth as Joshua A. Gorski from video evidence and an admission, according to a MLive report.
    The report explains that the sheriff’s office first received a complaint in the summer of 2013 that someone was smearing feces on a door at New Hope Baptist Church, located along Midland Road in Bangor Township at night.
    A few months later, on Nov. 22, a property manager from the church turned over a feces-stained sock and a DVD with footage from a surveillance camera that was shot around 6 p.m. on Tuesday, Nov. 19.
    The footage shows a man riding up to the south door of the church on a bicycle who appears to squat near the door and defecate. The man is then shown covering his hand with a sock which he uses to pick up the excrement and plasters it all over the church’s door and its handle.
    After doing that, the man is seen throwing away the sock and retrieving a magazine from his bicycle. He then sits on the steps at the door and appears to masturbate before taking off on the bicycle.
    After an investigation was conducted based on the evidence submitted, police say, Gorski confessed he was the culprit behind the sacrilege and apologized. He also confessed he had perpetrated the act four to five times in 2013.
    “He stated that he lives in an apartment with his mother and father and does not have enough privacy to do the things he wants,” a deputy noted in court records.
    A warrant for Gorski’s arrest was issued on Friday, Dec. 20. He was arraigned before Bay County District Judge Mark E. Janer on Monday, Dec. 23, arraigned on single counts of aggravated indecent exposure, a two-year high-court misdemeanor, and malicious destruction of a building less than $200, according to the report.
    He is expected to appear for a preliminary examination before Janer at 2 p.m. on Monday, Jan. 6. As of Monday, Dec. 30, 2013, he was in custody at the Bay County Jail.

    Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/man-smears-excrement-on-church-door-masturbates-on-steps-in-sacrilegious-act-111870/#5Yv2RhmFispdi6Lm.99

  201. Sam Shama says:
    @jacques sheete

    Well, possibly. All these intrigues – charges of forgery, musical plagiarism were rife those days. Adds to the romanticist’s pleasure no doubt.

    Still, lieber Amadeus (who doesn’t like him?) did occupy himself with the Arsch quite a bit:

    Leck mir den Arsch fein recht schön sauber.….Tom Hulce speaking those words in *Amadeus* with that impish laugh sticks in my memory!

  202. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus

    I am sure Iffen meant to press the ‘Agree’ button

  203. Sam Shama says:
    @jacques sheete

    I say, JS, a fellow horseman?!! And Robin too by the sound of it.

    To answer your question, no; I don’t particularly like horses lathered up to charge crowds, for they do it compelled by the fear instinct controlled by the rider.

    I prefer and know exactly when they gallop out of sheer love of speed.

    Robin, I am not as partial to the warmbloods as I am to Arabians and Thoroughbreds, although Belgians make superb jumpers and Friesians are gorgeous. Thanks for sharing the video.

  204. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    Why do you go on with this tedious nonsense?

    Tedious nonsense? As in tediously labeling people 88s?

    it is very clear that it troubles him.

    No, it’s clear it troubles people like Ilan Pappe or Gilad Atzmon.

    What do you want? Do you want him to renounce the existence of Israel?

    Not likely to happen.

    No, I want him to truthfully answer questions that are put to him, like the one’s you recently put to him (still no response), not like his response to whether the invasion of Iraq was to protect the US, and not Israel.

    But, as you say, not likely to happen.

  205. @geokat62

    Hey George,

    “Saddam’s dictatorship state was replaced with complete indifference to the idea of a state.” From “In the Belly of the Green Bird; The Triumph of Martyrs in Iraq, ” by Nir Rosen.

    I highly recommend Rosen’s book for you.

    Indeed, Israel was a direct beneficiary for what evil the W. Bush administration deliberately did; Shock & Awe, occupation, the New Iraq’s descent into horrific civil war… and today’s chaotic cutting up of the nation.

    Some Americans came to understand how deeply they were hated when an Iraqi journalist symbolically tossed his shoe at “Dubya” during a press conference.

    In order to evoke a credible response to your reasoned comment, Sam The Sham needs a Land Pirate boot tossed at him. More to the point, Shammy has earned Sahel. So “disgusting.”

  206. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Tedious nonsense? As in tediously labeling people 88s?

    I am very interested in politics. It is very important to me to understand who is an 88 and who is not. It is very important to me to be able to know whether certain actions and certain political positions are motivated by anti-Semitism or not. It is very important to me to know exactly what constitutes being an “88” and what doesn’t.

    For example, take the past and current campaign to depict Trump as anti-Semitic. I know for myself, without having to consult anyone else, that the people pushing that premise are either ignorant or deceitfully partisan or some combination of the two.

    You spend a lot of time writing about truth and truth-telling, lying, deception and being disingenuous. I don’t put a lot of stock into the idea of projection, actually hardly any at all. That said, I wonder why it comes up so often in your comments. How do I know that you are being honest and not deceptive in your exchanges with me?

  207. Seraphim says:
    @iffen

    How anti-Semitic can be the first “Jewish American President”?

    Ask Wayne Allyn Root “capitalist evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative national media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee, now back to the GOP. Wayne’s latest book is “Angry White Male” (Skyhorse Publishing). He is a supporter of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign. For more, visit his website: http://www.ROOTforAmerica.com. Follow him on [email protected]”.

    His knowledgeable answer is:

    [MORE]

    “Trump is headed to the White House. Did we just elect our first Jewish president?”
    Just as Bill Clinton wasn’t black, but he was called “America’s first black president…
    I believe Donald Trump should be called “America’s first Jewish president.”
    I should know. I’m an Ivy League-educated Jewish kid from New York.
    Trust me, Donald Trump is as close as you can come to being our first Jewish president.
    The very unique traits that have made him a billionaire and now President of the United States are as Jewish as you can get!
    Let me prove to you that Donald is our first Jewish president…
    Donald is a lifelong New York businessman, who made his fortune in real estate. You can’t get more Jewish than that.
    Well actually you can. His winter home Mar-a-Lago is on the East Coast of South Florida.
    When he bought his Florida home and turned it into a popular and exclusive country club, he specifically opened the membership up to Jews. Mar-a-Lago was the first club that ever allowed Jews in Palm Beach. Donald changed the customs of the most-wealthy, WASP-y town in America to favor Jews.
    Donald is family-oriented and clearly loves and dotes on all his children. He is bursting with pride at his children’s success. That could be the most Jewish trait of all. To Jews, family and children are everything.
    Donald is your typical Jewish parent. Donald’s children are all Ivy League graduates- just like my daughter who recently graduated magna cum laude from Harvard.
    Donald’s daughter Ivanka has converted to orthodox Judaism. That makes Donald the first president in the history of America with orthodox Jewish grandkids.
    Donald is handing his business over to his children. That is the goal of every Jewish businessman in history.
    Donald is the most hardworking businessman I’ve ever met. That is a trait handed down to me by my Yiddish grandfather. I believe it is the main reason for the success of the Jewish people. I’ve been a workaholic, just like Donald, my entire life.
    Donald has never worked for others. He owns all of his own businesses. My Jewish butcher father David Root taught me that 2 things mattered above all else in life- being a good father and always owning your own business.
    Donald has more chutzpah than anyone I’ve ever met in my life. Chutzpah is a unique word that comes from the Yiddish language. It means you are so ambitious, you aim so high that people think you’re nuts. Donald aims higher than anyone who has ever lived. Now he’s President of the United States!
    Donald is the most relentless person I’ve ever met. Relentless is a very uniquely Jewish trait. Jews are relentless fighters- we have survived thousands of years of hate, discrimination, persecution, robbery, slavery and murder. We haven’t just survived…we have thrived! I wrote the book, “The Power of RELENTLESS.” Of course it was endorsed by Mr. Relentless himself, Donald Trump.
    Donald is a big success in Hollywood as a TV producer. He joins an exclusive club that is predominantly Jewish. I should know. I have created, Executive Produced and hosted hit TV shows my entire adult life.
    Donald is a bigger-than-life personality. He has dynamic communication skills. He’s very charismatic, opinionated, ambitious, aggressive, combative, committed and passionate about his ideas and beliefs. He says whatever is on his mind, even if it offends. All of those are traits I’ve seen in my Jewish friends, relatives and business partners for my entire life.
    Many of Donald’s political views and policies are tailor-made for Jews. He could be the most pro-Israel president in history. Donald will always stand with the Jews of Israel.
    How strong are Donald’s bonds to Israel? He was the Grand Marshal of the annual “Salute to Israel” parade.
    The Jewish National Fund awarded Donald the “Tree of Life” award for his lifetime of support for the Jewish people and the state of Israel.
    Jewish Week found that Donald has given generously for many years to Jewish charities. A professor of “American Jewish History” calls Trump’s charitable giving to Jewish causes “impressive” and clearly out of the ordinary for a non-Jew.
    His stance on “extreme vetting” and stopping the mass importation of Muslim refugees should be welcomed and enthusiastically embraced by every American Jew. Donald’s goal is the same as mine- keeping people out of our country who could commit acts of terrorism and who have an unnatural hatred and prejudice toward Jews.
    One of Donald’s first priorities as president is to re-negotiate the Iran deal- perhaps the worst treaty ever negotiated in U.S. history and a danger to Israel’s future survival.
    Donald is the strongest anti-terrorism president possible. He understands our enemy is radical Islam. He uses the words “Islamic extremist” in the same sentence. That alone makes Donald the best friend Jews ever had.
    Amazingly, who was one of the very first world leaders to talk to Donald after his victory? Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel. Coincidence?
    Speaking of best friends, many of Donald’s friends, business partners, executives at the Trump organization, country club members at Mar-a-Lago and trusted lawyers and advisers are Jewish. No U.S. president has ever in history been surrounded by so many Jewish friends and advisers.
    Trust me, by almost every possible measurement, we’ve just elected our first Jewish president”.
    @http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/11/20/trump-is-headed-to-white-house-did-just-elect-our-first-jewish-president.html
    Mazel tov!

    • Replies: @iffen
  208. I’ve followed this issue for years, and have watched people go tooth-and-nail over the holocaust, Weimar Germany, Bolshevik crimes, Palsetinian suffering, AIPAC, Israel, Balfour etc. looking for answers, when I think all are just sideshows leading away from a solution to America’s Jewish problem, which is very real.

    Palestine/Israel, the Holocaust, Bolshevik crimes, etc. are not America’s problems, and most Americans will never study those issues or relate to them enough to demand or force a change. Among it’s many problems, America does have a Jewish problem, which is obvious whether it is the powerful, and traitorous, Jews who push Israel’s interests at the expense of American interests, or the Jewish SJW radicals who are prominent and active in just about anything that is aimed at destroying America or causing conflict among Americans. Any conflict between the two groups of Jews is a conflict over what each group perceives as best for Jews. Neither group cares about Americans or Palestinians, and will use both American and Palestinian dupes for propaganda points. Discussing anything other than their actions and the harm they cause is a waste of time that they will welcome and indulge.

  209. iffen says:
    @Seraphim

    For more, visit his website:

    Thanks, but no thanks, this was enough for me.

  210. @iffen

    So your whole world-view revolves around whether or not a person or group is anti-Semitic? That’s ridiculous. Groups have conflict, and quite a bit of what you would likely call anti-Semitism is deserved. Can you really look at the behavior of the Jews in the videos posted in this thread, which depict two common strains of Jewish political behavior, and say that Jews should be unconditionally loved and unopposed? As a group, it is obvious that Jews do far more harm than good for America and Americans.

    Iffen, I hope you live in Israel, because that is where you, and apparently the majority of diaspora Jews, belong.

    • Replies: @iffen
  211. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    I’ve answered Iffen’s questions. Which one remains outstanding? [let Iffen tell me]

    As to your most recent one, I don’t erupt into hosannas when queries, little more than repeatedly angled holier-than-thou’s, are sent my way.

    Iffen is quite right. Not about to renounce Israel. It sits rather costless for you to decry whatever it is you choose to decry since it happened in the relatively distant past. Notwithstanding, you are enjoying the fruits of those atrocities, and how many times per day do you dwell on it? Question others? Why is it qualitatively different? Numbers killed? Current conditions of living, including health, addictions of the remaining? Answer those questions with the “honesty” you insist from others at every turn.

    I think Pals had a raw deal, many departed. Many more stayed. I have spoken about the need to assist them financially. I am not about to thump my chest here announcing what I do. That is a matter between my Maker and myself. I have a real bone to pick with those who’ve never set foot in the area but presume to know everything there is to know from consuming stories littered on the internet. There is a process underway which collects many of these fake videos [please don't attach another one here and presume to play gotcha] and in future, expose them in a systematised manner.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @geokat62
  212. iffen says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Iffen, I hope you live in Israel,

    The Good Lord has blessed me by planting this anchor baby in the “New Israel.”

  213. @iffen

    I take that to me that you are a traitor living in the U.S. That may not be a blessing in the long run.

  214. Incitatus says:
    @Talha

    Hello Talha,

    “It’s the West Bank and Gaza that are the biggest problem something needs to be done about that and fast. I thought the West Bank settlements were bad in the late 90¢s when we were protesting at UCLA – now it’s just crazy – it’s almost a fait accompli.”

    Couldn’t agree more. It just got worse:

    “Israeli guidelines point to largely unconstrained settlement expansion
    Plan outlined by Benjamin Netanyahu would allow building within boundaries of existing blocks, adjacent to them, or close to the blocs”

    The Trump Administration seems indifferent:

    “…the existence of settlements is not in itself an impediment to peace, further unrestrained settlement activity does not help advance peace,” the US official said. “The Israeli government has made clear that going forward, its intent is to adopt a policy regarding settlement activity that takes the president’s concerns into consideration. The United States welcomes this.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/30/israel-approves-west-bank-settlements-trump-administration

    Taking “the president’s concerns into consideration.” What’s that mean? Reeks of criminal complicity. I also agree about the ‘67 border but increasingly doubt it will happen. Wish it would.

    Appreciate your contrast of Salafis and Wahhabis (response #154; http://www.unz.com/ishamir/purim-gifts/#comments)

    Best.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @Talha
  215. @Incitatus

    InZitatus: “Taking the president’s concerns into consideration. What’s that mean?”

    Hey Talha and InZit,

    The U.S. Middle East foreign policy remains much the same since Israel’s founding.

    “Taking” Palestinian land means just that, “taking” it. There is no confusion, there’s only phantom agreements/accords about making peaceful resolution.

    To Talha (especially):

    Below, I want to make a historic point which is largely forgotten:

    In Kufah, 2004, Moqtada al-Sadr threatened armed opposition to the “occupation,” and railed against U.S. administrator Paul Bremer’s pronouncement that Islam would not be the main source of the new Iraqi constitution. What hubris eh, Talha?

    “We want to advise everybody, Moqtada siad, “that the Iraqi people have the ability to attack theri enemies.” After the interim constitution was signed, Moqtada blew a gasket, and compared it to the British Balfour Declaration (1917) which “sold off Palestine. We are on the way to selling Iraq and Islam. It is a bad omen.”

    Returning to Mr. G’s topic, the U.S. government’s legislative and executive branches having sold out to AIPAC and Neoconservatives is much > a “bad omen” for Americans.

    Selah.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Incitatus
  216. Talha says:
    @Incitatus

    Hey Incitatus,

    It just got worse

    Sigh…I honestly do not want it coming down to something I’ve read in the books of eschatology about. I don’t think I want to live to see those days, but it simply seems to be going in one direction with lip service to peace and a two state solution. I outlined some of the things that I felt were absolutely important for Israel to do to let everyone know they consider themselves a committed part of that neighborhood and it seems you agree with much of them. I think the newest Arab plan has a lot of merit and they are putting it forward as a unified voice. Ultimately, this kind of development can be buried here in the West, but the Muslim world will know that a plan was offered for full political recognition and normalization and it was rejected if that’s what happens.

    I also agree about the ‘67 border but increasingly doubt it will happen.

    This is where Israel needs to come back with something serious; yes, but we need to keep at least 10%, 25%, etc. – something to start off with.

    Appreciate your contrast of Salafis and Wahhabis

    Most welcome. The Wahhabis can technically be considered a sub-branch of the Salafi movement – one that sprang out of the Najd. Both have one major common idea – that the Muslim world has been mired in confusion and error for the last 13 or so centuries before they arrived.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  217. Talha says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hey Chuck,

    What hubris eh, Talha?

    Indeed. That didn’t last long, look at article 2 of their consitution. They should have seen the writing on the wall when the scholars like Ayatollah Sistani and others had the most credibility among the people:

    http://www.iraqinationality.gov.iq/attach/iraqi_constitution.pdf

    On AIPAC and Neocons (Jewish and non-Jewish), couldn’t agree more. These guys are lucky if the American people only sideline them out of the levers of power. Due to the immense damage they have done to our nation in terms of lives, money and prestige (not to mention the piles of corpses on the other side of the world) – in pre-modern times, they would have had their heads on stakes with crows cleaning off the scraps of flesh.

    The Day of Judgement will be a grim day.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  218. @iffen

    The Upper East Side?

    • Replies: @iffen
  219. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Keith says:

    “The good lord has blessed me by planting this anchor baby in the ” New Israel”.

    Iffen, why are you being so disingenuous? Based on God’s real estate bylaws, you are already a anchor baby. All Jews, no matter where they live in the world, are anchor babies if their mother is of Jewish blood. Not Jewish by religion. You already know this from your racist upbringing teachings. Why do you seem surprised?

    Based on the same God’s bylaws, (mythology) you are entitled to ethnically cleanse the Palestians from their homeland and, with the help of American tax dollars, build a home and live in the New Israel.

    This 88 supports Jewish anchor babies. I am trying to start up a Transfer Agreement to facilitate
    Aliyah for all anchor babies in the US.

    I am running into a serious road block. The Jewish anchor babies do not want to leave America.

    Why? The majority are afraid they might be drafted into the IDF and have to fight to steal more land for lebensraum.

    They said they would rather have the dumb American goys fight and die for Israel and,
    in the mean time, retain God’s Israeli passport in case of an emergency expulsion.

    Iffen …. please, don’t be ungrateful, God blessed you at birth and you should take his blessing and make Aliyah as soon as possible.

  220. Incitatus says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Chuck,

    “The U.S. Middle East foreign policy remains much the same since Israel’s founding.”

    All too true, though there were minor variations. Eisenhower didn’t win friends in the Suez Crisis in ‘56. I liked Ike. Wonder if the (deliberate) attack on the USS Liberty ‘67 was because of Israel’s humiliation in ‘56 and subsequent mistrust? LBJ’s reaction was shameful. Awarding McGonagle the MOH but avoiding personal presentation?

    There’s Carter and Camp David ‘78. Jimmy is target number one of the neocons and shills like Alan Dershowitz. Sadly US funds (bribes?) for Israel and Egypt seem a corrupting precedent that’s blossomed into current obscenity. Do they simply postpone genuine settlement between the parties (rewarded for a belligerent status quo)?

    Reagan was less successful, but at least he gave Begin a hard time on ‘Operation Peace for Galilee’ (Lebanon) ‘82. Not hard enough, of course. Too many Marines died in Beirut ‘83. Interesting James Baker’s advisory role to Jeb! was a deal breaker for Sheldon Adelson last year.

    I join the sentiment the 2003 Iraq War was a colossal mistake, engendered and executed with high levels of criminality. Iraqis will neither forget or forgive in future, nor should they. We shouldn’t forget either. JE Smith deftly covers it in ‘Bush’ (the family isn’t happy about the book). There are many other good sources.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Chuck Orloski
    , @iffen
  221. iffen says:
    @JoaoAlfaiate

    The Protestant Puritan leader Cotton Mather repeatedly referred to the Jews in his prayer for their conversion as God’s “Beloved People.” The New Israel―The influence of the Hebrew Bible marks every step of the Puritan exodus to their Zion in the wilderness of the New World . The Jewish Bible formed their minds and dominated their characters; its conceptions were their conceptions.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  222. Anony says:

    Just you readers are aware, AIPAC and the other top Jewish lobbying organizations yap and preach about the Jewish genocide (Holocaust), but when it comes to their recognizing the genocide of Christian Armenians at the hands of Turks, these Jewish groups have long said No.
    Hypocrisy? Big time.

  223. Talha says:
    @Incitatus

    Hey Incitatus,

    Iraqis will neither forget or forgive in future, nor should they.

    You’ll be surprised what time can heal given sincere effort. Examples (though there are many more):
    France/Germany
    US/Britain

    The human spirit has a tremendous capacity for goodness (as well as evil) – don’t give up on us yet. The Iraqis, unfortunately haven’t had a chance to truly heal since Gulf War 1, then sanctions, then…the bleeding first has to stop before the healing begins.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  224. @Talha

    “The Day of Judgement will be a grim day.”

    Hey Talha,

    I don’t want to convey things you already know, but yesterday, P.M. Netanyahu proposed a new settlement in the West Bank along with his having reached an understanding with the Trump administration. The settlement consists of approximately 40 families who were EVICTED (my purposeful emphasis) from a settlement outpost called Amona.

    Later I plan to look into the current “fortunes” of Lewis (Paul) Bremer who was in-charge of the diabolical Iraq occupation and see what treachery he’s up to now.

    I understand Bremer “cut his teeth” by serving as the director of Kissinger Associates. And during his tenure as Occupation Chieftain, a heist of (at minimum) $12 billion in U.S. currency was removed from the Federal reserve and flown to Iraq in “bricks.”

    (sigh)

    For a while, Congressman Ron Paul managed to rile up a minority of Americans by his honorable & patriotic desire to audit the Federal Reserve. How convenient that word about the “missing $12 billion” only managed to “trickle down” into the ZUSA-controlled “Memory Hole” and detoured voters minds! (Sigh)

    Thanks, Talha. I am anxious to learn if Sam The Sham and InZit have anything to add to our discussion.

    P.S.: Did you look at anon’s (Keith) comment # 224? It’s a ripper! He wants to rekindle start a Transfer Agreement that will facilitate aliyah for all U.S.-base “anchor babies.” Ha-ha! I do not think iffen (“peace be upon him”) has the experience & depth NEEDED to make a reply to anon (keith), and I predict he’ll have to count on speedy cavalry reinforcements of the Hasbara Cowboys.

  225. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    Keith says:

    “There is process underway which collects many of these fake videos, and in the future exposed them in a systematize
    manner”.

    Who, What .. and When?

    Who is doing the collecting? What videos will be collected? When will this arduous task be completed? Will the process be on going?

    Since you are the only person who I know has any knowledge about this undertaking, I strongly suspect you are an official of the ADL or a appointed Hasbara
    organizer/executive of the new “Truth in Videos on the Internet”.

    Maybe this is being undertaken by the The UNZ Review?

    Is this process underway in foreign countries?

    Those envolved in the process must be careful. Revisionism of forbidden history is unlawful in many European countries.

    I can’t wait until the undertaking gets around to the official Holocaust videos. Will they receive the same systematized scrutiny? Or will these videos be protected by laws against free speech?

    I recently watched a video that was very sad, but had a good ending. The story in the video was about a long term love affair
    that started in the Auschwitz concentration camp. A Jewish imate, Herman Rosenblat, met his lover in the camp and after the camp liberation they parted their ways. Years later he met his lover again, rekindled their romance and they tied the knot. No doubt, a beautiful love story. The story was shown on internet videos and covered on the Ophrah Winfrey show.

    The only problem with the story was it wasn’t true. The story received a great deal of publicity and sympathies from unsuspecting Oprah Winfrey audiences.

    Will these type of videos be exposed as fake? Who will decide? Can we trust Sam the Sham with the decisions.

    Maybe the task should start with the videos that originate on the Zio History Channel. It would be refreshing to expose these WW 2 video as war propaganda. Let’s start with Operation Barbarossa.

    Sam …. be careful for what you ask for.

    This process of exposing fake videos on the internet will take down the entire house of Zionist cards on so many levels if it is managed by HONEST individuals in a systematize manner.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  226. Incitatus says:
    @Talha

    “…it simply seems to be going in one direction with lip service to peace and a two state solution.”

    And has been for some time. What Israel says means means little if constantly contradicted by what it does on the ground. Colonization in the West Bank continues. All now with a wink from Trump. I share your skepticism. Can’t cede all hope, but it’s harder these days.

    “…this kind of development [unified Arab plan] can be buried here in the West.”

    The rule rather than exception. News, rival views and dissent often found elsewhere (even in on-line Israeli sources) seem missing here. AIPAC? Or the transition of news to editorialized entertainment competing for passive consumption? Maybe both.

    “Israel needs to come back with something serious”

    Can’t help thinking Likud has little incentive to take genuine risks for peace when they survive courtesy of parties even more extreme. They should make peace, of course. But they’ll posture, parse and postpone forever, all while quietly enacting policy that pleases the fringes. Hope I’m wrong.

    Could small steps be a beginning? Incrementally improving rights and conditions for Pals in years to come? Holding Israel to account for same? Slowly engender trust? An easier process? Wish I knew. Anything to reduce the bloodshed and squalor might be positive.

    Best.

  227. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Keith says:

    Thank you for reminding me about the useful Zionist Christian idiots. I promise to include them in any final start up plans for a Transfer Agreement.

    Hopefully we can get them to make Aliyah before their self fulling prophesies (mythologies) are realized. When the End of Time comes, hopefully they are all in gathered in Israel. Then when the nuclear bombs fly, they will be raptured (the first to perish) in the Armageddon they prayed for for so long.

    I will be a Doomsday Prepper and survive. After these psychos nutjob bible thumpers are gone, God ‘s children will be able to live in a peaceful world.

    What these phony Christians don’t know is that Jesus was the first self hating Jew.

  228. RobinG says:
    @Greg Bacon

    From IF AMERICANS KNEW Blog

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/palestinian-american-professor-brutally-attacked-jewish-defense-league-members-d-c-video/

    Palestinian-American professor brutally attacked by Jewish Defense League members in D.C.

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — Fifty-five year old Palestinian professor and father Kamal Nayfeh was brutally assaulted by members of the Jewish Defense League (JDL) last Sunday while walking nearby the AIPAC annual policy conference.

    The attackers were not immediately detained by police even though several witnesses attested to what happened. Mr. Nayfeh’s daughter had to implore the police to make an arrest, and the attackers are not being charged with hate crimes.

  229. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “Puritan leader Cotton Mather repeatedly referred to the Jews in his prayer for their conversion as God’s “Beloved People.””

    You forgot Cotton’s romance with Salem witchcraft 1692-93. Increase (Cotton’s father) was also an enthusiast. Some say it was the making of them. Some not. I tend to side with the latter.

    Iffen, you seem concerned with guilt and innocence. What do you think of the Mathers? Any problems with stretching the neck of a witch or two?

    Think carefully. A residential college at Harvard remains named in Increase’s honor.

    • Replies: @iffen
  230. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    How do I know that you are being honest and not deceptive in your exchanges with me?

    Two in a row. One more comment like that and you’ll make it a hat trick.

    • Replies: @iffen
  231. @Incitatus

    Prologue: It’s still Lent and I refrain from addressing you as “InZi.”

    Hey Incitatus,

    First, I am happy to be involved with opportunities to make frank comments on The Unz Review, and reading those of others is often a meaningful learning experience.

    Second, I would not participate in a Limbaugh “Dittohead” ordeal. Not even to “blow off steam” and bitch at him.

    Third, where Sam Shama stands is very easy to figure. After survival of a few comment exchanges with S.S., one can determine “who and what” he is. (sigh) Jesus Christ said something rather important about human character when he noticed a man seated beneath a fig tree and stated, “He has no guile.”

    Again, with Shama, he has no guile & one can beneficially get to know who & what he is. (sigh) He takes off time for prayerful meditation and afterward he’s right back to generating hasbara B.S., using King Midas-Madison Avenue language. Jesus kept trying to dialogue with “sinners who knew not what they do” until death, so who am I to stop rapping with Sam Shama?

    Regrettable how I call him foul & funny names names, but I am only human.

    Fourth, I turn to you, Imcitatus. You are a very smart, experienced and a weird dude to figure. At times you write with common sense and a conscience; for 1- example, comment # 225. However, there are recent episodes where you’re talking about exceptional breeds of horses and doing man-bonding with Shama. That’s cool.

    However, your cute talking in foreign tongues did not fly very well with me, because I believe people who indulge that shit do so in order to make uni-linguists (here at Unz Review) look smaller and the two of you (in your own minds) subsequently look BIGGER.

    Finally, as a child, I watched a popular weird TV program called “Mr. Ed, The Talking Horse.” Mr. Ed always made a lot of sense and he was very funny. Baffled, I recall having asked my mother Mary, “Can horses really talk?” Perplexed, she evidently wanted to make this a teaching moment and Mary replied, “Well, I suppose nothing is impossible anymore in our country, Chuck, but try and not get taken in by Mr. Ed?”

    Clop, clop…, going forward, Inci, I will keep “blinders” off and take your comments one-step at a time. Thanks and praise be to those who have “no guile.’ ,

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  232. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    Iffen, you seem concerned with guilt and innocence. What do you think of the Mathers? Any problems with stretching the neck of a witch or two?

    I think that I could have made it as a run-of-the-mill Puritan.

    Although, I could just as easily have been strung up if I forgot myself and thought out loud.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  233. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    I’ve answered Iffen’s questions. Which one remains outstanding?

    I could be wrong, Sam, but I don’t believe I’ve seen you respond to these questions:

    Yes, I mock geo all the time with this. He writes like we all are in agreement as to what “American national interest” is, much less how it is formed and who does the forming, like we could get a list from Wiki.

    This is far from the only undefined term tossed about in the comments…

    From annamaria, a standard stock in trade comment here at UR:

    This is so widely understood in Washington that US Senator Ernest Hollings was moved in May 2004 to acknowledge that the US invaded Iraq “to secure Israel,” and “everybody” knows it.

    Now, I want to take a run at this.

    Is there a question of dual loyalty?

    What is the exact nature and extent of the overlap of Israel’s interest with that of the US in the ME?

    Of the people encouraging the Iraq war of 2003, how many did so because they thought that aiding Israel was the over-riding concern?

    Were there people who pushed for the war who thought that it was good for Israel and who didn’t give the US a second thought?

    Did these people, if they existed, tip the balance for war?

    If there were no Jewish neo-cons, would we have launched the Iraq War?

    These are the answers that we have to get at.

    The only response I believe you made was:

    All valid, all extremely important questions which I shall attempt to answer after Shabbat..

    Now to be fair to you, you didn’t specify which Shabbat.

    It sits rather costless for you to decry whatever it is you choose to decry since it happened in the relatively distant past.

    It may be costless for me, Sam, but it isn’t for the 50 million Americans who are on food stamps or the little girl from Detroit who was burned to a crisp because the fire chief, who was given a shoestring budget to fight all the fires, had to send a fire truck without the proper equipment to put out the fire because The Lobby was keen on diverting $6,000,000,000,000.00 (and counting) to launch the phony GWOT to enhance the security of the villa in the jungle, by regime changing those countries deemed hostile to said villa.

    Current conditions of living, including health, addictions of the remaining? Answer those questions with the “honesty” you insist from others at every turn.

    I honestly think these issues need to be addressed in a fair manner.

    I have a real bone to pick with those who’ve never set foot in the area but presume to know everything there is to know from consuming stories littered on the internet.

    What about Ilan Pappe and Gilad Atzmon? Weren’t they both born and bred there? These are the people who are honest enough to reveal the truth of the brutality of the occupation.

    [please don't attach another one here and presume to play gotcha]

    I don’t have a clue of what you’re talking about. I’ve posted fake videos?

    • Replies: @iffen
  234. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Two in a row. One more comment like that and you’ll make it a hat trick.

    How do you know that I am being dishonest and deceptive in my exchanges with you?

  235. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Walter Sobchak:

    Saturday, geo, is Shabbos, the Jewish day of rest. That means that I don’t work, I don’t drive a car, I don’t fucking ride in a car, I don’t handle money, I don’t turn on the oven, and I sure as shit DON’T FUCKING POST COMMENTS AT UNZ!

    • Replies: @Dissident
  236. geokat62 says:

    Israeli Cabinet Approves First New Settlement in 20 Years

    Unfolding according to script. Previous comment of mine:

    Do you remember how kids used to behave in the playground? There would invariably be a bully who would pick on some runt, unless the runt was fortunate enough to be surrounded by several friends who were willing to protect him. The bully would spend his day dreaming of finding a way to get his hands on the runt… when he was alone, that is.

    Well, that same story applies to the ME: the bully (Israel) was dying to get his hands on the runt (the Palestinians) but couldn’t do so as long as the runt’s several friends (Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran) were willing to protect him. So what does the bully decide to do? Why he decides to get the giant clod (the US) [through the influence of its Lobby] to take care of (via the phony GWOT) the runt’s friends so that the bully could take care of the runt.

    Now you know what the real purpose is for the phony GWOT.

  237. […] By Philip Giraldi • Unz Review  […]

  238. iffen says:

    will descend on Congress like a swarm of ravenous locusts

    Dehumanization

    It is interesting how Jews among themselves boast about their power

    Conspiring

    a foreign country that has an army that acts like a terrorist group

    if you criticize the factual basis of one particular “event” that took place in the 1940s

    What does the quotes mean? Surely it is not meant to question whether the event actually occurred.

    I have never heard the “Jewish bankers” theory or disparagement of Jewish “politics” from the many responsible critics who have been dismayed by the aberrant U.S. foreign policy that has evolved since 2001. I don’t know how much money Goldman Sachs has made since the World Trade Center

    Monetizing the completely unnecessary and hideously expensive global war on terror benefits the senior government officials, beltway industries, and financial services that feed off it. Because it is essential to keep the money flowing, the Deep State persists in promoting policies that enrich its constituencies

    just possibly there is a largely Jewish cabal within that Deep State, call it what you will, that works very hard behind the scenes to favor Israel while also pushing for a state of perpetual war, from which it benefits personally.

    I have never heard

    Well, maybe some people say something like that.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  239. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    (deliberate) attack on the USS Liberty ‘67

    What do the parentheses mean? Why did you use deliberate? Of course it was deliberate. Are you trying to obscure the issue of mis-identification by using deliberate?

    LBJ’s reaction was shameful.

    Why was it shameful? Are you joining in with the warmonger, flag waving casket jumpers now?

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @Incitatus
  240. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    just possibly…

    Going out on a limb, there, iffen. Careful not to venture too far, as you may fall off.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @RobinG
  241. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Careful not to venture too far, as you may fall off.

    But now I know the meaning of true love
    I’m leaning on the everlasting arms
    If I can see it, then I can do it
    If I just believe it, there’s nothing to it
    I believe I can fly
    I believe I can touch the sky
    I think about it every night and day
    Spread my wings and fly away
    I believe I can soar
    I see me running through that open door
    I believe I can fly
    I believe I can fly

    R. Kelly

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  242. @iffen

    Hey ‘iffen-iffen,

    I know you are only a freshman-level hasbara.

    However, your having challenged the deliberate & deadly attack on the U.S.S. Liberty and calling it a “mis-identification” is stupid.

    Such suggests you either have a learning disability or a traumatized memory.

    Get help quick, ‘iffen-iffen! There’s millions of patriotic Americans who resent your disgusting words, “flag waving casket jumpers.” And like anon (Keith) wisely recommended, and make aliyah, a.s.a.p.

    Otherwise, questions (below) for others who have a conscience & cherish truth:

    1. Who are these murderers who had the power to make the L.B.J. administration “stand down”
    and not bring criminal Israel to heel for the killing on the Mediterranean.

    2. Where did their power come from and why did they have veto power over L.B.J.’s ability
    to do his job (by oath) as Commander-in-Chief with honor?

    3. Presently, and after having done 9-11 and going unchallenged by the U.S. government, how
    far does Israel’s unbridled power extend right now?

    P.S.: (sigh) I wish that the dead & survivors of the evil attack on the U.S.S. Liberty could talk and make comment her.

  243. @iffen

    Hey ‘iffen-iffen,

    Do yourself a favor? Spread your “wings” and ass cheeks, fly to Israel, and stay there.

    U.S. Liberty Calling Sam The Sham: Cease meditations for a moment and show ”iffen-iffen the open door to Israel?

    • Replies: @L.K
  244. Incitatus says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Chuck,

    We differ at times. That’s natural. You show stubborn concern, conscience and enthusiasm. Rare, laudable qualities in a world of callous self-indulgence and passive entertainment.

    Language. Many issues are tragically important and too little noticed. I easily get carried into colorful language and ad hominem. I’m not good at it. Always found it engenders mudslinging that obscures any point I wanted to make. I come out as splattered as anyone else. Doesn’t seem productive. But each chooses for himself. I’m well past the age such language bothers me.

    Back to topic. NoseytheDuke asked a very interesting question in #111. Got carried away exploring it, but it wasn’t because I’m any less frustrated or because I wanted to impress anyone. It’s a very important question (thanks Nosey). Will summary justice instill more honesty? Maybe. Maybe not. I’m no expert.

    Ever screen ‘The Ox-Bow Incident?’ A classic western with Henry Fonda made in ‘43 about (alleged) cattle rustlers. Suppose I’ve always thought I’m more likely to end up on the wrong end of the rope. Art’s right in saying I’m naïve. We had a saying for it in the ‘60s – ‘child is the father of man.’

    Sam? Well able to defend himself. I agree with him sometimes. Disagree others. Way over my head on finance. He seems genuinely concerned, often interesting and usually respectful. What more can one ask? Hasbara? I care about issues and ideas, not labels. Courtesy begets courtesy. Respect engenders respect. Not always agreement, but I’ll settle for respect. I’m not looking for a scapegoat. It’d be boring if everyone thought identically. Might as well sit in front of a mirror and lip-synch an opinion.

    My bottom line? We live in an imperfect world. Thomas More said something like we can expect utopia only when each of us is perfect. I’m preoccupied with avoiding evil and leave perfection to others.

    Mr. Ed and Wilbur (Ed’s architect owner) are lodged affectionately in memory! Always wondered whether Carol was jealous of Ed. ‘Trigger’ (Roy Rogers horse) was stuffed postmortum. Don’t know if Ed was too. I suppose that’s as close to immortality as they’ll get.

    I’m last to know different breeds. OK, I can spot a Percheron, that’s about it. Don’t ride (doesn’t interest me). Hike daily next to a farm and simply enjoy seeing them. Renaissance artists’ workshops required apprentice candidates to draw or sculpt horses for admission. They’re wonderful creatures, and difficult to accurately portray. It’s a good test.

    Kudos for #149. Remember Iraq’s Oil For Food scandal? Marc Rich was in on it. But number one (by a large margin) was David Chalmers, Bayoil CEO – GOP Bush ‘Pioneer’ from Houston. Way down the list were Elf and Total – French firms neocons slimed to elicit Chirac’s support for Iraq 2003. The Volker Report is an interesting read.

    Seems like a long Lent this year. But, then again, always does. Two weeks to go!

    pax vobiscum

  245. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “…(deliberate) attack on the USS Liberty ‘67…”

    “What do the parentheses mean?”

    “Deliberate” was thus noted because I tried to make a larger point about Israel’s possible motive (mistrust after Suez). No question the attack was sustained and deliberate.

    “Why was it [LBJ’s reaction] shameful?”

    The whole incident reeked cover up. LBJ planned to run for reelection. QED the clumsy obfuscation, willing acceptance (wink-wink) of Israel’s lame excuse, and turning the MOH into a consolation prize to keep survivors quiet. He even avoided personally awarding it (customary). That’s why LBJ’s reaction was shameful.

    “Are you joining in with the warmonger, flag waving casket jumpers now?”

    Not at all. Truth – correcting the record – would satisfy me. And be healthier for Israel. It’s too easy to drink koolaid and believe one’s own lies (e.g. GW Bush Iraq 2003).

    • Replies: @iffen
  246. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “I think that I could have made it as a run-of-the-mill Puritan.”

    More power to you. The hats and collars appear both painfully uncomfortable and no less ridiculous. Smart-ass that I am, I’d be unable to suppress a smirk and would doubtless swing from the first tree.

    “Although, I could just as easily have been strung up if I forgot myself and thought out loud.”

    Amen.

  247. iffen says: • Website
    @Incitatus

    “Deliberate” was thus noted because I tried to make a larger point about Israel’s possible motive (mistrust after Suez). No question the attack was sustained and deliberate.

    Motive?

    Sustained and deliberate.

    It was sustained and deliberate, no need for parentheses for deliberate.

    There was no motive.

    It was a mistaken identification. A comedy of errors, miscalculations and supreme incompetencies coming together for a tragic outcome.

    God Bless the men and their families who suffered the personal consequences.

    The “attack” on the Liberty is a meme owned by 88s and assorted anti-Semites. If you want to reference the unfortunate incident, do so in a manner that honors the heroes of that tragdy and which does not lend support to the Jew-haters.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Incitatus
  248. L.K says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hey Chuck,
    Yeah, I guess iffen-iffen, sam the sham and all these other hasbara assholes should indeed move to their beloved israel(Palestine).
    Except, if all the diaspora zio slime moved there, it would only make the Palestinians’ lives even more miserable. Then again, they don’t wanna go anyway…
    Read the following interview with the brave Jeffrey Blankfort(who is Jewish), a journalist and Middle-East analyst, well worth it. He closes it with;

    “Should Israel find a way to attack Iran, the repercussions from that might be sufficient to send Israel on the road to what will ultimately be viewed as self-destruction. At the moment, thanks to the unconditional backing by the U.S. for all it crimes, and given its arsenal of nuclear weapons, I consider Israel to be the most immediate threat to the future of the planet.”

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/10/israel-is-the-most-immediate-threat-to-the-future-of-the-planet/

    BTW Chuck, and I only ask bc you already revealed even your home address, do you have any email address you’d be willing to share? Perfectly alright if don’t wish to, of course.

    Take care

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  249. @L.K

    L.K.,

    There is no hesitance whatsoever to share my email address with you. It is [email protected]

    As ZUSA employed Stuxnet, there is no preventing them from monitoring “personal” American email exchanges.

    So be it — I will look forward to what you may decide to communicate.

    Thank you.

  250. @Anon

    Hey anon (Keith),

    I admire your intelligent reading of Sam Shama’s very strange comment…

    Sam Shama wrote: “There is a process underway which collects many of these fake videos, and in the future expose them in a systemized way.”

    Anon (keith) logical response comment to Sam Sham: “Who, what… and When… Who is doing the collecting, What videos are being collected, When will this arduous task be completed, Will the pr3eocess be ongoing?”

    You brought thunder, rain, and light — anon (Keith)! Thank you very much.

    Now I want to address Sam Shama straight on: Post-prayer (honorable) recess come midnight…, what do YOU have to offer in reply to the sharp finding (above) made by anon (Keith)?

    In the words of Simon & Garfunkel, “Heaven holds a place for those who pray” and speak truth.

    And here’s to you Mr. Shama, “Hey, hey, hey!”

    Selah.

  251. Art says:
    @iffen

    The “attack” on the Liberty is a meme owned by 88s and assorted anti-Semites.

    Say iffen,

    We know that you hasbara workers have a ready answer (lie) for every mean, nasty, diabolical, bloody thing that Israel has ever done. (That must be a mega gargantuan database – a real cloud buster.)

    Was wondering, does Hasbara Central give you guys in the basement, a heads up about what they (the Big Jews) are going to do next.

    That way with supervision, you Little Jews can get your lies and propaganda together before hand.

    Just asking.

    Peace — Art

    • Replies: @RobinG
  252. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    Hi Geo,

    Maybe you can help me with this. (You seem to have a good filing system (-: )

    When I mentioned to a friend (not a person who follows Israel/Palestine) that MOCs are “invited” to pledge loyalty to Israel, she couldn’t believe it, and asked for proof.

    Is there hard evidence? Is there a written document, or is this an oral pledge? [I imagine an AIPAC delegation in every new MOCs office.] Has any official – besides Cynthia McKinney – spoken about this?

    Judging from my friend’s reaction, this should go to the top of the LFTL list of essential information, (not to mention prominent placement at If Americans Knew).

    The only thing I know about (to send to my friend) is the video of Cynthia at a past WRMEA conference, telling her story. Also, I think one of the other speakers, a former AIPAC employee, mentioned this.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  253. RobinG says:
    @Art

    Yes, there’s the proof, if anyone still needed it.

    “A comedy of errors…. The “attack” on the Liberty is a meme owned by 88s and assorted anti-Semites.”

    So Israel’s premeditated attack on the USS Liberty was a farce…

    Some here assert that If-It is an unskilled hasbarat. Then explain how IF-IT has consumed so much time, energy and band-width here. (Not you, Art, but Chuck and Geo for instance, who have engaged ad nauseam.)

    Why not just label IF_IT a TROLL and be done with it. Then, ignore the disingenuous diversionary questions. I.E., stop feeding!

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Anon
  254. iffen says:
    @RobinG

    My work here being almost complete, I’ll admit to some small satisfaction in finally provoking the ire of RobinG. You go girl!

    It will be interesting to see which, if any, of the “regulars” will accede to the admonishment.

    Geo definitely will not. He cares way too much about the municipal interest of Detroit (proximity to Canada, pure coincidence, nothing to do with nothing) to not speak his mind.

    What about the Chuckster? He spends word after word trying to get and keep the ducks in line, in particular geo. Will he take his own medicine?

    I have no idea what the Arts will do. It will likely depend upon which one is on duty.

    My observations:

    The day of reckoning is fast approaching. People will “wake up” and accept “the truth” and then dem Jews will get what they deserve.

    Fight against and distrust those who go “off message.” Trust only those who high-five the truth-tellers.

    Claiming that “only” 5.9 million died instead of 6 million is Holocaust denial.

    Holocaust denial is anti-Semitism.

    Claiming that the Semites in anti-Semite are not Jews is anti-Semitic.

    The following are links to excellent articles by PG at the AC. A nefarious Jew cannot be found within thousands of words. The difference between his articles there and here makes me believe that a part of the contract to write for the UR is a minimum number of words attacking dem Jews. Note the title of one: Iran-hawks, not neo-cons.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-many-questions-not-asked-on-russiagate/

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/iran-hawks-take-the-white-house/

  255. “Not you, Art, but Chuck and geo for instance, who have engaged (‘iffen-iffen) ad nauseam.”

    RobinG,

    So far as I’m aware, there is no unity of planning as to how commenters in dissent as to what ‘iffen-iffen writes.

    I have no hasbara organization to lean upon.

    If there is a unified plan to stand down, RobinG, please let me know?

    (sigh) If you go back into the Unz Review history of my engaging the “unskilled hasbarat,” you will learn that, except for offering occasional comments that pointedly EXPOSED his stagnant scum of immature ideas, I never “engaged” ‘iffen-iffen. (Please take note how he has yet to make DIRECT reply as to what I directly growled at him in comment # 247)

    Therefore, do you mean that I should have simply let his godless U.S.S. Liberty lies settle into a Tel Aviv garbage dump?

    Please let me know? I really do not care to open up a “front” against people like you for whom I have respect. Thank you!

    (Sigh) Upon Sam The Sham’s triumphant return from prayer, I await his response to anon (Keith) pointed comment # 230. OK Shammy… regarding your admitted knowledge on an ongoing fake video “Process,” can you dismount your high pale horse, and offer a credible explanation to anon (Keith)’s plain spoken question, “Who, What and When?”

    P.S.: Hey RobinG and geokat62, did you happen to read the important comment, # 230? Speaking very respectfully, anon (Keith) should not be ignored just because Sam The Sham, ‘iffen-iffen, and Incitatus choose to do so.

    Advisory: Stop feeding ‘iffen-iffen and take some Activia nourishment in comment # 230!

  256. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG

    Is there hard evidence? Is there a written document, or is this an oral pledge? [I imagine an AIPAC delegation in every new MOCs office.] Has any official – besides Cynthia McKinney – spoken about this?

    Hi, RobinG. I wasn’t even aware of this allegation. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. I did a Google search and the only thing I could come up with was this article:

    Cynthia McKinney Drops Bombshell: Candidates to sign pledges of support for “Israel”

    by Richard Edmondson

    In an interview which aired on Press TV on Saturday–one day before the AIPAC conference got under way in Washington–former Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney revealed what amounts to some pretty startling news regarding the extent of the Israeli lobby’s influence over Congress.

    During her years in Congress, she stated, candidates for both the House and the Senate were requested to sign pledges of support for Israel, documents in which the candidate promised to vote to provide consistent levels of economic aid to the Zionist state. Refusal to sign the pledge meant no funding for the candidate’s campaign.

    “You make a commitment that you will vote to support the military superiority of Israel—the economic assistance that Israel wants, that you would vote to provide that,” McKinney, who served in Congress from 1993-2003 and again 2005-2007, tells Press TV interviewer Marzieh Hashemi in the two-part video program below.

    According to McKinney, the pledge also included a vow to support Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel.

    Every candidate for Congress at that time had a pledge, they were given a pledge to sign…” she said. “If you don’t sign the pledge, you don’t get money. For example, it was almost like water torture for me. My parents observed this. I would get a call and the person on the other end of the phone would say ‘I want to do a fundraiser for you.’ And then we would get into the planning. I would get really excited, because of course you have to have money in order to run a campaign. And then two weeks, three weeks into the planning, they would say, ‘Did you sign the pledge?’ And then I would say, ‘No, I didn’t sign the pledge.’ And then my fundraiser would go kaput.”

    During her years in Congress, McKinney opposed U.S. involvement in foreign wars, questioned the official version of the events of 911, and introduced articles of impeachment against former President George W. Bush. Her final term in Congress came to an end after AIPAC, or the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, funneled money into the campaign of her opponent, Hank Johnson.

    Here’s the video of CM’s interview:

    https://youtu.be/hXaCym8RjJU

    In the interview, Miss McKinny also references one of her predecessors, Gus Savage, who was targeted by the Lobby before she was. Here’s what she had to say:

    Gus Savage was a black Member of Congress who was targeted by the Israel Lobby. And he had the foresight to use his position as an incumbent of the HofR to put his experience on the congressional record.

    Here’s an excerpt from Gus Savage’s excellent speech:

    Now, let me say something about my position regarding Israel that may explain the concern, but certainly does not justify a body with no legal right to do so whose primary concern is a foreign nation rather than the interests of America, trying to determine the outcome of an American election for Congress. That, my friends, Mr. and Mrs. America, is dangerous, indeed.

    Israel receives almost one-third of all the United States’ foreign assistance, $3 billion in the foreign assistance bill, and usually $400 million or $500 million more tacked on here and there, roughly $3.5 billion a year. That is not the Government’s money. That is your money, your tax dollars.

    We do not have enough money to maintain full funding for student grants and student loans for those in need to attend the colleges of their choice, for which they are qualified, not enough money to create jobs programs for those pockets of poverty in our Nation, not enough funds for long-term Medicare for our senior citizens in need, but $3 1/2 billion of your tax dollars to one little nation, Israel, a nation with only about 3 1/2 million citizens. That means then that you are giving $1,000 a year to every man, woman, and child citizen of Israel. Think about that.

    https://www.sott.net/article/229489-Israel-Lobby-Laying-Out-The-Facts-1990-Congressional-Record-of-Rep-Gus-Savage

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @RobinG
  257. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    We do not have enough money to…

    The only revision I would make to Rep. Savage’s great list of what the large annual tribute could be better spent on in the US would be repairing broken down fire trucks for bankrupt cities like Detroit, MI (just south of the border from Canada, where some suggest these fire trucks are said to be mfged).

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
  258. Talha says:
    @geokat62

    Hey Geo,

    Don’t forget support for the thousands of veterans and their families that are traumatized by their participation in the overseas ME ‘adventures’ – these guys are committing suicide left and right and it should be made into headlines, but that would mean more scrutiny on why the hell we went to war in the first place.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  259. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    Hank Johnson, who still holds that seat, is a typical Dem., and CBC (Congressional Black Caucus) Member. While his obeisance to Israel is less blatant than some others (CBC’s Alcee Hastings touts his unwavering support of Israel, and his official site now features photos of his recent AIPAC appearance), Rep. Johnson demonstrates his loyalty in only slightly more subtle ways. His official site lists these accomplishments:
    •Co-authored legislation to impose sanctions on Iran’s petroleum sector. It passed the House.
    •Cosponsored the Iran Counter-Proliferation Act, which passed the House. It would sanction Iran for its failure to make good on its international legal commitments with regard to its clandestine nuclear program.

    It’s all about the money. As said in your excerpts, you can’t run an effective campaign in the US w/o cash. The Israel Lobby’s method is to “primary” non-compliant MOCs like McKinney and Savage by throwing money behind a similar candidate from the same Party – but one who has pledged support for Israel if elected.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  260. @RobinG

    “It’s all about the money.”

    RobinG, Concur with above, and (below) P. Giraldi offered thought upon the “bennies” Israel gets from investments into U.S. Congressmen.

    P. G., “AIPAC is back in town.” : They (AIPAC )… have figured out how to use money and the POWER that money buys to leverage and corrupt the system in such a way as to produce wars and turmoil that have blown back on the U.S.”

    The “power that money buys.”

    Please consider looking at today’s AP report on “David’s Sling” which is prepped to activate upon neighbors who do not measure up to the fabled giant, Goliath.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_ISRAEL_MISSILE_DEFENSE_SYSTEM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

    “POWER” brought to Detroit’s door and sponsored by Israeli defense firm Rafael & the American (giant) Raytheon. yuck. Thank you!

    P.S.: I wish the honorable & brave Cynthia McKinney will find time to make a return appearance here, and discuss the “pledge.”

  261. iffen says:
    @Talha

    I don’t understand you sometimes.

    They wouldn’t even let the fires in the ovens go out before they turned their attention to you and yours.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Talha
  262. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    They wouldn’t even let the fires in the ovens go out before they turned their attention to you and yours.

    When strong arguments don’t work, there’s always that good ole’ standby, intimidation.

  263. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    I have many questions about the Liberty. They remain after reading the survivors’ ‘Attack on the Liberty’ and James Bamford, and comparing those with the official account. Is that allowed, or am I straying into ThoughtCrime?

    “There was no motive.”

    I’m confused. Motive? Wasn’t it to attack and sink an Egyptian destroyer steaming at 30 knots after it shelled El Arish? Isn’t that why the IDF attacked?

    Of course Liberty was easily distinguished from a warship, lacked heavy guns and sprouted spy antenna masts. It was clearly marked (Latin markings, ensigns – sailors hoisted a second large ensign during the attack). It was steaming at 5 knots (top speed well below 30 knots).

    The IDF surveilled Liberty regularly for over six hours prior to the attack, at one point with friendly acknowledgment. Let crewman Larry Weaver tell it:

    “I was actually able to wave to the co-pilot. He waved back and actually smiled at me – I could see him that well. There’s no question about it. They had seen the ship’s markings and the American flag.”

    Iffen, do IAF pilots wave to enemy sailors? Is Weaver, one of your “heroes”, an anti-Semitic Jew-hater following the 88s meme? I need guidance. Help me out.

    “It [attack on the USS Liberty] was a mistaken identification. A comedy of errors, miscalculations and supreme incompetencies coming together for a tragic outcome.”

    That’s the official story. Survivors tell a different tale. They’re your “heroes.” Are they anti-Semites? 88s? Jew-haters? Bamford also has questions. Is he out of bounds? Give me a hint.

    IDF’s “comedy of errors?” Prolonged close surveillance (including friendy acknowledgment), followed by communication jamming, cannon fire, machine guns, rockets, napalm, 1000-lb bombs, and torpedoes. Oh, and strafing life rafts. “Comedy?” You have a strange sense of humor.

    Regret for the “tragedy?” Let Bamford tell it:

    “In the days following the attack, the Israeli government gave the US government a classified report that attempted to justify the claim that the attack was a mistake. On the basis of that same report, an Israeli court of inquiry completely exonerated the government and all those involved. No one was ever court-martialled, reduced in rank or even reprimanded. On the contrary, Israel chose instead to honour motor torpedo boat 203, which fired the deadly torpedo at the Liberty. The ship’s wheel and bell were placed on prominent display at the naval museum, among the maritime artefacts of which the Israeli navy was most proud.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/08/israel

    Sounds genuinely contrite, doesn’t it? No cover up here, nothing to see, move on (nudge-nudge, wink-wink).

    iffen, you’ve a low opinion of the IDF. I’d give them more credit.

    Every state acts in it’s own interest, especially in war. Launching it in ‘67 was an audacious gamble. Life or death. Did Israel – supplied with French weapons – have vital interest in assuring it’s freedom of action? Especially given US restraint in Suez ‘56?

    Or did Moe, Larry and Curly command the IDF that day?

    “The “attack” on the Liberty is a meme owned by 88s and assorted anti-Semites. If you want to reference the unfortunate incident, do so in a manner that honors the heroes of that tragdy and which does not lend support to the Jew-haters.”

    Who knew? They use it, of course. Does that mean only Nazis stray from the official account? ThoughtCrime? Are you that desperate? And patronizing? Very sad indeed.

    Last. If I risked everything and launched a perilous war, I’d make sure there weren’t any loose ends imperiling the enterprise. Anything less would be criminal to my own people. Especially if it burned no bridges with weapon suppliers.

    LBJ’s response bothers me more. Well, OK, that’s not quite true. I don’t know what to think about the Israeli museum display honoring torpedo boat 203. Innocent, bumbling assassins or heroes? I’m trying to reconcile that with your preemptive tears for mute heroes. Whose heroes? Tell me, iffen. I’m all ears.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @iffen
    , @iffen
  264. Incitatus says:
    @Talha

    Hi Talha,

    Sorry to have missed your post earlier.

    “You’ll be surprised what time can heal given sincere effort.”

    I hope you’re right. I’d feel much more advanced in that process if the US acknowledged something more than “intelligence failure” – a gee- whiz mistake that litters the memoirs of those responsible. But, of course, we’re all responsible as Americans.

    “The human spirit has a tremendous capacity for goodness (as well as evil) – don’t give up on us yet.”

    I never will. And from your lips to God’s ears.

    Best.

  265. The usurpation of American political power from anything resembling the “public” was not accomplished by a “Lobby.” In retrospect, Mearsheimer and Walt did us a great disservice by focusing on a “Lobby”–and Mr Giraldi, as much as he is correct in his trenchant commentaries, compounds the error. Zionism gradually and insidiously took control over the course of many decades not by corrupting merely our governing institutions but our entire culture–or, at least, the “popular” culture, the “public” culture–by taking control of all the establishment institutions and leaving the form fully in tact while imbuing them all with the most repulsive, anti-democratic and racist content that ever boiled out of 19th century Europe. The Zionist–not the “Jew”–has all but completed the exploitation off what Marcuse had very clearly identified as the greatest vulnerability of advanced technological societies (West and East)–wiping from individual consciousness the capacity to imagine insurrection.

    And they almost got away with it in Russia. That’s why Putin is Hitler re-incarnate in their and — alas–our mythology.

    The “Lobby” as symbol is fine, but it is too deeply and widely mistaken for the actual problem. It is symptom–not disease.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  266. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @RobinG

    Keith says:

    RobinG.. I am disappointed you didn’t accuse me of engaging in ad nauseam for spending a considerable amount of time, energy and band with here responding to the Hasbara troll, Iffen.

    Watch this video and you will get sick to your stomach and nauseous.
    “Dead in the Water” BBC video about the DELIBERATE Israeli attack on the USS Liberty.

    Iffen’s support for Israel’s official version “identification mistake” for the attack on the USS Liberty, is why Chuck and Geo considers Iffen a unskilled Hasbara propagandist.

    A skilled Hasbara troll wouldn’t have touched this story about the cowardly attack by Jews on American sailors with a 10 foot pole. Why? They don’t want to bring attention to the murder of Americans and to the political power of the Jews in America, and their shills who coverd up the dastardly act by our favorite ally.

    I am sorry, I plan to spend the necessary time and the required energy to challenge Iffen’s pro Israel bull shit, until he gives up and makes Aliyah to his favorite country, and until you throw up.

    Sorry, this is how it has to be until Americans take back their country.

    I hope Iffen and Sam the Sham gets to see the Gotcha BBC video. I challenge Sam to
    put the USS Liberty attack BBC video to the “Fake Video” test. I am convinced the process will not be done in a truthful systematized manner. If done at all.

    • Replies: @iffen
  267. geokat62 says:

    A few excerpts from Peter Beinart’s latest installment on the AIPAC conference:

    That’s also the story of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. American Jews are Esther. They have won influence with the most powerful government on earth. They could keep their heads down, focusing only on preserving their own safety and privilege. But wicked men threaten other Jews — the Jews of Israel — with destruction. So America’s Esthers, via AIPAC, use their influence to ensure Israel’s survival. Thus, American Jews transform their power into heroism…

    The Jews of AIPAC know there are many intermarried American Jews with names like Mary and Christopher. And they worry almost as much about their assimilation as they worry about Israel’s destruction. AIPAC offers an answer to that too. Like Mordechai speaking to Esther, it tells American Jews that by protecting the Jewish people, they will also secure their own survival. Why remain Jewish in the highly assimilated America of 2017? Because Israel needs you, and by safeguarding it, you can be a hero…

    AIPAC, by contrast, does not wrestle with Jewish power. It celebrates it to the point of intoxication. At its conference this week in Washington, it encourages Jews to drink it in until they cannot distinguish between 1938 and 2017, between the liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto and the dismantling of a settlement in the West Bank, between our right to exist and our right to oppress.

    Read more: http://forward.com/opinion/367403/the-biblical-roots-of-aipac-reflects-heroism-of-jewish-power-and-its-perils/

  268. @Gus Goodland

    “Zionism gradually & insidiously took control over the course of many decades not by merely corrupting our governing institutions but our entire culture…”

    Gus Goodland,

    Brilliant and excellently written! ‘”The Lobby mistaken for the actual problem.” Thank you very much Gus, I’m on your bus.

    P.S.: Also, thanks to anon (Keith) & geokat62 for motivating Sam The Sham to intelligently evacuate from this article’s comment “thread.”

  269. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    I have pasted a comment that I copied from here at Unz. Unfortunately, I neglected to copy the commenter’s id. I tried to find the comment thread in order to credit the source, but could not find it in the archives. Needless to say the commenter deserves the credit for the comment and not me.

    As to LBJ’s motives, I don’t have a strong opinion except to say that I don’t think it has any great significance. Perhaps he did wish to put the incident in the past and spare Israel the attention. Why did FDR turn away the St. Louis? Fear of anti-Semitic reaction in the US? Fear of encouraging anti-war sentiments? I think so, but how could I prove it?

    [MORE]

    One of the more controversial events of the 1960s was the Israeli attack on the US Intelligence ship USS Liberty that was conducting intelligence operations off the Sinai coast when she was attacked by Israeli forces. Some of the controversy comes from allegations that the attack was deliberate and that the US colluded in it. In recent years, some of the signals pertaining to this tragedy have been released from the National Archives. This includes the Liberty’s track chart and some intercepted Israeli messages. (ref-a)

    The story of the attack on the USS Liberty started on June 2, 1967, when she left Rota in Spain for the Middle East. There, in addition to supplies, she had taken on three Marine Corps Arabic translators, augmenting the three NSA Russian-language experts already on board. At the time, she was operating under orders from the US Sixth Fleet to stay “outside an arc whose radius is 240 miles from [the Egyptian city of] Port Said.” This is where the first error of judgement took place. Her handlers in the National Security Agency ignored the order and directed the ship to a point just outside Egypt’s territorial waters, a mere 12.5 miles from Port Said. These orders were recently released by the National Archives and were apparently the result of a perceived need to intercept communications that were un-interceptable from the specified distance. The most significant of these were tactical dialogues between Egyptian officers and their Soviet advisers. At the time it was regarded as being essential to determine the depth of Soviet involvement in the Egyptian military operations (hence the embarkation of the additional translators).

    On hearing of the decision by the NSA handlers, the US Navy sent a total of five subsequent cables from their European headquarters, instructing the USS Liberty to pull back to at least 100 miles. This is where the second glitch came in. Those messages (also released from the National Archives) were misrouted via the Philippines, and none reached the ship in time. In fact, the JCS’ orders would not be received by the Liberty until June 9, by which time they would no longer be relevant. Whether the misrouting was an accident or an NSA effort to keep the ship on the close-in station longer remains unknown but there is strong circumstantial reason to believe that NSA had much to gain by such misrouting. The fact that the signals went via the Philippines is unchallenged; the interesting question is why and how.

    Approaching the Sinai coast at dawn on June 6, the Liberty’s skipper, Commander William L. McGonagle, was deeply concerned by the risk to his ship and requested a destroyer escort, only to be reminded by the commander of the Sixth Fleet that the “Liberty is a clearly marked United States ship in international waters … and not a reasonable subject for attack by any nation.” (National Archives) That’s glitch number three. It should be noted that the naval war was not going well for Israel at this point. The failure of the Israeli navy’s attacks on Egyptian and Syrian ports early in the war did little to assuage Israel’s fears. There was a very real fear in the Israeli command that Arab naval units (that outnumbered the Israeli fleet by 5:1) would launch attacks on the Israeli coast. Consequently, the IDF Chief of Staff, Gen. Yitzhak Rabin, informed the U.S. Naval Attaché in Tel Aviv, Cmdr. Ernest Carl Castle, that Israel would defend its coast with every means at its disposal. Unidentified vessels would be sunk, Rabin advised; the United States should advise the Israelis of any ships operating in the area. The information provided by the US did not include the Liberty. While this was happening, Israel renewed its request that the United States assign a naval liaison officer to facilitate its communications with the US Navy. Previous to the outbreak of fighting, Israeli Ambassador Avraham Harman had warned the White House that “if war breaks out, we would have no telephone number to call, no code for plane recognition, and no way to get in touch with the U.S. Sixth Fleet.” The United States never approved the appointment of a liaison officer, nor did it inform Israel of the Liberty’s arrival in the area. That’s glitch number four.

    By June 8 the Liberty was patrolling between Port Said and Gaza, in a lane rarely used by commercial freighters and declared by Egypt as off-limits to neutral shipping. The track chart has also been released from the National Archives. It shows the Liberty starting from a position very close to the Egyptian coast and moving out to take up a racetrack pattern track off the Sinai coast. On June 8, just before six o’clock in the morning, an Israeli pilot reported finding a naval craft (“gray, bulky, with its bridge amidships”) 70 miles west of Gaza. Note that Israeli pilots were not trained for maritime attack or recon and, like most pilots, a ship was a ship was a ship. Nevertheless although he did not report seeing a flag, he did make out the hull marking “GTR-5,” which was enough for Israeli commanders to identify the ship as the USS Liberty and to mark it as a neutral vessel on their control board. It’s worth noting that this was a manual plot, not a computerized system as we would use today for the same job. Manual control boards quickly become overloaded with data and have to be cleaned of old information regularly. (Ref b)

    At eleven o’clock in the morning, the watch at Israeli naval headquarters changed. The new officers, following procedures for removing old information and assuming the Liberty had sailed away, cleaned the board. For Israeli forces, the Liberty had ceased to exist. Glitch number five and a biggie. This is the one that was the proximate cause of the disaster. The Israeli officers here were culpably negligent in that they should have made sure a known US warship was out of the conflict area, not just assumed it was so. Unfortunately, the Israelis back then made a big thing out of their contempt for the routines, practices and doctrines employed by more established armed forces. In fact, they derided such practices as being typical of hidebound reactionaries; the Israeli Military Forces didn’t need all that nonsense about correct procedure. That attitude doomed Liberty.

    Now the situation began to escalate very quickly. Less than a half-hour later, Israeli soldiers in the Sinai coastal town of El Arish heard a violent explosion. The cause was probably either a detonation in an ammunition dump or an expended munition cooking off. However, these were rear echelon soldiers, freshly recalled reservists and were on edge – which is a polite way of saying panicky. They assumed it was enemy action, artillery fire, and reported it as such. Glitch number six. Now we have the old wildfire scenario. Because the explosion was reported as artillery fire, people began to look for the source – which was unlikely to be on land due to the tactical circumstances. If you look for something hard enough, you’ll find it even if it isn’t there. So, when the Israelis saw a ship off the coast, they assumed it was the source of the artillery fire – a warship doing shore bombardment. Just to make life complex, both Egyptian and Israeli sources had reported shelling of the area by Egyptian warships the previous day. A check with the situation board showed no friendly units or neutral ships in the area so it had to be hostile. Glitch number seven. Again, sloppy, poorly-disciplined officers making assumptions they shouldn’t. Another grievous fault for which they should be hung, drawn and quartered.

    Rabin was seriously concerned that the shelling was a prelude to an amphibious landing that could outflank advancing Israeli troops. Since no fighter planes were available, the navy was asked to intercede, with the assumption that air cover would be provided later. More than half an hour passed without any response from naval headquarters in Haifa. The General Staff finally issued a rebuke: “The coast is being shelled and you – the navy – have done nothing.” Capt. Izzy Rahav in the operations room, needed no more prodding. He dispatched three torpedo boats of the 914th squadron, code-named “Pagoda,” to find the enemy vessel responsible for the bombardment and destroy it. The 914th consisted of three torpedo boats, the Peress, the Tahmass and the Yasoor. These were 60 ton craft built by France in the early 1950s (the last had entered service in 1956). They were armed with two 17.7 inch torpedo tubes, one 40 millimeter gun and four 20 millimeter weapons. They were powered by two Napier deltic diesels for a designed top speed of around 42 knots. By 1967, they were aging and had lost the top edge of their performance; their maximum speed was down to 36 knots in smooth water.

    The commander of those craft, Commander Udi Erell, had rules of engagement that precluded him from engaging any ship doing less than 20 knots – which, in 1967 meant pretty well every merchant ship in the world. However, now we have the mentality of FAC guys coming in. They tend to be young, enthusiastic – and reckless. This commander interpreted “don’t shoot at ships doing less than 20 knots” as “fire on any vessel going faster than 20 knots”. Glitch 8 quickly followed by Glitch 9. FAC skippers don’t really understand how much they get slowed down by even moderate seas when bigger ships don’t. He was doing 35 knots but was only catching the target slowly. Ensign Aharon Yifrah, combat information officer aboard the flagship of these torpedo boats miscalculated their target’s speed as 30 knots, not realizing sea conditions had slowed his real speed to around 25. Again we have the sloppy attitude of the Israeli Armed Forces entering the picture. A properly-kept track chart on the lead FAC would have shown something was not right with the picture. But keeping such charts is part of the administrivia that the Israelis affected to despise. Again, we also have to add in the attitude of the FAC commander. He WANTED that ship to be a legitimate target; the Israeli Navy was being overshadowed by the Army and Air Force and he wanted a victory. So he jumped to a wrong conclusion because that was a conclusion he wanted to jump to. Based on this false presumption, they prepared to attack. Ref – D

    Now we have horrible coincidences joining errors of judgement and technical glitches. The Liberty reached the end of her patrol racetrack and turned onto bearing 238 – putting her course back toward Egypt. The FAC skippers saw this and assumed their target was running for home. Worried they would lose their prey, they reported to the sitrep room that their target was now fleeing for home.

    Israeli naval commanders called up the air force and asked for help from whatever was available. What was available were two Mirages returning from a bombing strike, they were armed only with 30 millimeter cannons and air-to-air missiles and were very short on fuel. Had this been a deliberate attack they would have carried a warload better suited for attacking a ship. Making two passes at 3,000 feet, the formation commander reckoned that the ship was a “Z” or Hunt-class destroyer without the deck markings (a white cross on a red background) of the Israeli navy (which also operated both classes). The command pilot then spoke with air force commander Gen. Motti Hod, who asked him repeatedly whether he could see a flag. They failed to see either flags or markings on the ship. Not surprising, again these were pilots who were not trained for maritime operations and didn’t have any knowledge of naval operations or ship recognition. History is replete with examples of such pilots grotesquely misidentifying ships; although this was an error, it cannot be held against the pilots.

    After two low sweeps by the lead plane, at 1:58 p.m., the Mirages were cleared to attack. For want of anything more potent, they strafed the ship they saw. (by the way, its pure luck – good or ill – that they didn’t shoot up the Israeli FAC – they just hit the first ship they saw). The first salvos caught the Liberty’s crew in “stand-down” mode; several officers were sunning themselves on the deck, unaware of the Israeli jets bearing down on them. Before they could take shelter, rockets and 30-mm cannon shells stitched the ship from bow to stern, severing the antennas and setting oil drums on fire. Nine men were killed in the initial assault, and several times that number wounded, among them McGonagle.

    Minutes later came a second group of planes, Super-Mysteres, equally ill-suited for a naval engagement. They had been diverted from a strike against Egyptian infantry positions and carried napalm (but had been diverted going out, not coming back so had a decent fuel reserve). They dropped their canisters and one set fire to the deck, enshrouding the ship in smoke. The air attacks lasted 14 minutes; by 2:20 the aircraft had finished with their assault.

    It was at this junction that one Israeli pilot finally recognized Latin, not Arabic, letters on the hull. He made a desperate emergency call to the Israeli air controllers causing them to call off the action immediately. Now we have glitch ten. The Israeli communications system in 1967 was basically WW2 equipment that had been overhauled and modernized. It was already overloaded with running a fast-moving mobile war and , thanks to a breakdown in that communications system, the message to the Navy was caught in a backlog of calls waiting to go out. Classic case of too much flow down too small a pipeline. As a result, the order was very long delayed in reaching the navy; it finally made it to the FACs just after 4:00 pm. ref e

    It is at this point that we have a minor mystery. One of the major claims is that the Israelis were jamming US radio frequencies in order to prevent calls from help getting out. If true, this would be powerful evidence to suggest that the attack was deliberate. There are, however, serious problems with this assertion. Firstly, the Liberty was a specialist electronic warfare ship and carried advanced ECCM equipment; it is hard to see how she could have been closed down so comprehensively. Secondly, the Israeli capability in EW at this time was virtually non-existent; neither aircraft nor the torpedo boats carried any ECM equipment. Thirdly, the communications equipment on the Liberty was such that jamming equipment would have to be placed within a series of carefully-defined positions relative to the ship and fourthly, any jamming capable of taking down US Navy communications so comprehensively would have affected a wide area. No such jamming was reported anywhere else by anybody. This leaves only three possible explanations for the alleged jamming (1) The crewmen on Liberty who reported such jamming are lying, (2) the reports that crewmen made such claims are fabricated or (3) whatever happened wasn’t jamming. If we discount (1) we are left with either fabrication or something else. The accusations made against the Israelies feature extensive fabrication so (2) is certainly possible but the most likely explanation is that the Liberty had already been strafed and napalmed with over 800 holes in her. The entire superstructure of the ship, from the main deck to the bridge, was aflame.The “jamming” was probably simply battle damage that had knocked out the ships wave guides and antennas.

    There now followed a lull in the action that lasted for 24 minutes while the Israeli torpedo boats caught up with the Liberty. Think about the geometry of this. They are sailing out to attack a ship offshore that has just turned away from them. That means they are in a tail chase. Now the Liberty was rated at 17.7 knots – lets say she had cranked up her engines and was doing 16. The Israeli FAC are rated at 40 knots – meaning at best the closing speed is 24 knots. However, in any sort of rough sea its unlikely they were doing more than 30 knots and possibly were down to 25. So that gives us a closing speed of (at best) 16 knots and possibly as little as 8. However, at those speeds, the FAC are bouncing all over the place and are throwing up large clouds of spray. The vibration is intense and the noise is deafening. Incidently, these are not the modern 200 – 400 ton, 56-meter missile craft, they are 70 foot MTBs, 10 feet shorter than a US WW2 PT boat (albeit somewhat heavier that the 35 – 45 ton PT boats). Ref f

    Now its reasonable to assume the Liberty had her stern to the FAC. Think about this. The Flag is at the stern, the ship is heading away from the FAC that are chasing her from astern. That means they are seeing the Flag (if they see it at all) edge-on from the rear. Their only hope of recognizing it is if it flutters from side to side. So to state the Israelies must have seen the Flag, we have to ask the two guys on the bridge to recognize a fluttering flag edge-on from a range of 4 to 8 miles from a 60 ton speedboat bouncing around in a cloud of spray while being shaken to pieces by two 4,000 shaft horsepower diesels running flat out. Now add in that the Liberty had been hit by a tank of napalm and was burning – in other words there were clouds of black smoke around her making visibility intermittant. Suddenly, it doesn’t seem so easy does it? ref g

    At this point the Israeli flagship signaled “AA” – “identify yourself.” Due to damaged equipment, McGonagle could only reply in kind, AA, with a hand-held Aldis lamp. Now we have a weird coincidence – Udi Erell’s father had been in command of a 1956 operation where the Israeli Navy had captured the Egyptian destroyer Ibrahim al-Awwal. This ship had tried to pose as a neutral ship when the israeli force closed in and had also replied to the interrogatory AA by responding with a repeat AA. There is little doubt Udi Erell was familiar with that story as family history and was sure that he now faced an enemy ship.

    Now we have another glitch, number 11. One of the American sailors on board, disregarded Captain McGonagle’s order not to fire on the approaching craft, and opened up with a deck gun. (ref h) Another machinegun opened fire by itself when fired cooked off its ready-use ammunition. Erell repeatedly requested permission from naval headquarters to return fire. Rahav finally approved.

    The Israeli FAC skipper also jumped to the assumption that the ship in front of him was Egyptian (Glitch 12), consulted his intelligence manual, identified it as the Egyptian naval freighter El Quseir, This identification has been criticised on grounds that the El Quseir was smaller than the Liberty and lacked her distinctive antennas. In reality, the El Quseir was laid up in Alexandria and its asserted (without proof) that “the Israelies must have known that”. Its also pointed out (quite correctly) that the Israeli FAC had a copy of JFS on board. Consulting a copy of the relevent edition of that publication, it does indeed list both Liberty and El Quseir – but includes photographs of neither. Rather pathetically, those who dispute the identification point out that the El Quseir was painted silver rather than the Liberty’s Haze Gray. In reality, under the circumstances prevailing, telling the difference between dirty silver and shiny gray is very hard – especially since both would have taken on a blue tinge by reflection from the surrounding sea and sky. However, all thats irrelevent since we now have Glitch 13 – he wasn’t trying to find out “which ship is this” he was looking for “which Egyptian Ship looks most like the one in front of me”

    The FAC commander elected to fire torpedoes. Now lets look at those torpedoes. They are not modern 21 inch jobs. The FAC in question were armed with World War Two ex-Italian 17.7 inch torpedoes. These had a 440 pound warhead and had a speed of 30 knots to 8,000 meters (ref i) . Distinctly lacking in range speed and striking power. Also unguided; there is no way a torpedo like that is aimed at any specific part of the ship. At 2:45 the Israeli FAC fired five torpedoes at a range of 6,000 meters for a single hit at around 2:50. This killed 25 men almost all of them from the intelligence section.

    The torpedo boats then closed in and from 3:00 onwards circled the ship, from the stern spraying it with 20 millimeter and 40 millimeter gunfire. When they reached the bows, the captain of one boat saw “GTR-5″ on the hull. He immediately halted fire, extended help to the Liberty, and called for rescue helicopters. For the first time in the whole stupid story somebody did something right. Two Israeli Helicopters reached the Liberty and offered assistance. Erell, shouting through a bullhorn, also tried to communicate with the ship but Captain McGonagle refused to respond. Realizing, finally, that his assailants had been Israeli, he flagged the torpedo boats away and made a gesture that the Israelies describe as “obscene, but under the circumstances, understandable”. By 5:05 p.m., the Israelis had broken off contact, and the Liberty, navigating virtually without systems, with 34 dead and 171 wounded aboard, staggered out to sea.

    I must make it quite clear that I do not condone the Israeli conduct in this affair; their performance was lacking even the earliest signs of competance and their professional negligence was profoundly culpable. They screwed up royally and deserve all the blame that can be ladled over their brainless heads. But they didn’t do it deliberately. 13 bad mistakes, errors of judgement and horrible coincidences. Its right to be enraged with the Israelis for their sloppy staffwork, lax procedures and inattention to detail caused them to launch an attack against a neutral ship. It is indeed with them that the ultimate blame lies for it is the Israeli disregard for careful procedure and their deliberate neglect of proper administration that caused the disaster. Their arrogant assumption that they alone had the secret of how to run a modern war and nobody else knew any part of it was largely to blame for the tragedy. Martin Van Creveld describes the Israeli attitude to proper procedure and to administrative advice as being arrogant bordering on boorish and frequently deliberately bullying, rude and offensive. (ref j) The US Navy also has some share of the blame for there should have been a liaison officer to provide a direct point of contact. Even after she was hit, the Americans had difficulty locating the Liberty, the JCS placing it at “60-100 miles north of Egypt.” If neither the US Navy nor even the President of the United States could know where the Liberty was, it seems unreasonable to expect that the Israelis, in the thick of battle, should have been able to locate it. The NSA must carry its share for keeping the ship dangerously close to the enemy coast and ignoring navy advice.

    A year later the destroyer Eilat was sunk by the same combination of blundering incompetence, stupidity and arrogance (three Egyptian missiles had something to do with it as well). (ref k) . Indeed, for those investigating the attack on Liberty, the command disasters involved in the sinking of the Eilat should be required reading. The same factors of boorish arrogance, incompetence, inadequate command control, defective equipment and long-delayed communications make their miserable appearnace.

    Six years after the Liberty incident, another Israeli Navy warship, the Miznak went into action. She was on her way to assist Hanit that had run aground on a sandbar off the Sinai coast. The captain (Captain Barkai) gave orders for the Miznak to keep out of a 45 kilometer circle around Port Said due to the danger of missile attack. He then went to his cabin and slept. The second in command (Udi Erell) was duty officer in the CIC. He was dozing in the CIC Ops Chair when he was struck by the silence in room. The Ops crew were asleep. Worse, the Miznak was heading on a straight line for Port said and was already well within the 45 kilometer danger zone. EW was off, the radar watch was asleep, helm was asleep. And the instruments were telling the crew that Egyptian missile craft were coming out of port. Commander Erell literally kicked the CIC crew into wakefulness as Captain Moshe Tabak, the group commander sent an in-clear radio warning of an impending attack (in clear because Miznak had not responded to coded radio signals – cypher room was asleep as well). Udi Erell slammed the throttles forward personally and swung the boat through 180 degrees. As he did so he saw the launch signature of P-15 missiles on the horizon. Four P-15s had been fired by two Project 183R (Komar) FAC-M and were already on their way. One went into the sea when its gyros tumbled, a second went into the sea far astern, the third overshot and landed in the sea three miles ahead of Miznak and the fourth exploded in the sea 100 meters aft of Miznak. (ref l)

    Why is this incident so significant? Note the name of the operations officer on Mizhak – Udi Erell. In 1967 he had commanded a squadron of three FAC. Six years later, in 1973, he had been demoted to the ops officer of one such craft. Yet Udi Erell is the son of Shlomo Erell, the Chief of Staff of the Israeli Navy. Despite being VIP’s son, the Israeli Navy really busted Udi Erell’s chops. If it was a conspiracy they’d have found somebody else less well-connected to be the scapegoat.

    References:

    Ref a – Documents relating to the Liberty incident – papers released from the National Archives. This includes the Liberty track chart, transcripts of the Liberty signal log, intercepts of Israeli signals and statements by crew and captain. In short, the bulk of the declassified US official documentation.

    Ref b The Sword and the Olive by Martin van Creveld. This places great stress on the total obsolescence of the Israeli C3I system and the very poor command structure of the Israeli armed forces.

    Ref c Information from the Israeli side taken from evidence given at enquiries on the Liberty attack.

    Ref d Boats of Cherbourg by Abraham Rabinovitch details the Israeli Navy;s appalling discipline and sloppy incompetance. The comments are all the more devastating because the author doesn’t realize the impact of the matters he’s relating.

    ref f Again, The Sword and The Olive details the hopelessly bad command structure of the Israeli Armed Forces.

    Ref f Janes Fighting Ships 1966 – 67. 3 of Israel’s FAC were old RN boats built in 1942, six were French built in 1950 and the most modern were three built in Italy in 1956

    ref g This is a point anybody with a speedboat can check for themselves.

    ref h Captain McGonagle’s statement to the Liberty Enquiry. National Archives.

    ref i Bagnasco Submarines of WW2 for details of these torpedoes.

    Ref j The Sword and the Olive by Martin van Creveld. It should be noted that four of Van Creveld’s sons have served in the IDF.

    ref k Boats of Cherbourg by Abraham Rabinovitch The sheer incompetence surrounding the sinking of the Eilat is breathtaking – but another story. I believe that a US or UK skipper losing his ship in such a manner would be charged with manslaughter.

    Ref l Boats of Cherbourg by Abraham Rabinovitch (again). The Miznak story defies belief. Its impossible to conceive of any professional navy (or most amateur ones) behaving in such a manner. The story is given veracity by Rabinovitchs treatment of the events – his cast being it showed how hard the Israeli Navy was fighting. Van Creveld shows in The Sword and the Olive that even by 1973, the basic problems with the IDF command structure had not been fixed.

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  270. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    Here is a piece of information that I did track down on my own. It is part of the litany that a Jewish officer on the Liberty saw the Star of David on the planes and cried. Of course, a different version is that the markings were concealed, or Russian, or Egyptian, depending upon your preferred flavor of 88 garbage propaganda.

    Comment #270 links to Friendless Fire? by David C. Walsh.

    I read the article by Walsh and here is a quote:

    “The suggestion of prejudice especially upsets Jewish survivors, such as the senior engineering officer, George Golden…”

    According to his online obituary:

    George H. Golden, Jr., “was the engineering officer aboard the ill-fated USS Liberty” and was “a deacon at Pentecostal Free Will Baptist Church.”

  271. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    The author of the Liberty article is Stuart Slade. I still do not know the ID of the commenter that posted it at Unz.

  272. iffen says:
    @Anon

    until Americans take back their country

    I too would like for different people to be in control of my country.

    For the record, if the choice is between hysterical, dogmatic, intolerant SJWs on one side and assorted 88s on the other, I’ll take the SJWs every day of the week.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Dissident
  273. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    This is way hyperbolic. I have rarely come across ‘oven burners’ at UNZ and playing fast and loose with ‘Nazi’ never helps one’s credibility.

    Geo certainly has never expressed that kind of sentiment in any post I’ve come across and his reference to the experience and frustration of Reps McKinney (I was a big fan of her since she and Ron Paul often converged on issues of empire) and Savage are well within the range of solidly verifiable and discourse in good faith.

    If the will of the American people, after having the entire picture and facts in front of them, is to pull down AIPAC and abandon Israel completely and request me and my family to leave – so be it. Let the truth come out and the people decide.

    Peace.

  274. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Thanks for the advice, Talha, but no thanks.

    I am willing for my credibility to be judged by what I write.

    Geo doesn’t seem to be among the worst. He would likely shy away from the rubber boots assignments and stick with just dropping in the pellets.

    rarely come across ‘oven burners’ at UNZ

    I am not going to try and show you how wrong you are.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @anonymous
    , @Anon
    , @geokat62
  275. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    just dropping in the pellets.

    You guys have let this get way too personal – this is the reason I bow out when things get leveled at personal character and insults. You are no longer accusing someone like Geo of simply being a propagandist, now you are accusing him of skirting with intent to murder. Not cool bro.

    As I’ve said before – de-escalation is a lost art.*

    Peace.

    *Note: Which is likely why so many marriages are falling apart these days; this is a life skill that is absolutely essential.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @L.K
  276. iffen says:
    @Talha

    things get leveled at personal character and insults. You are no longer accusing someone like Geo of simply being a propagandist, now you are accusing him of skirting with intent to murder. Not cool bro.

    I am not saying that I am right and you are wrong, in fact, if I had to bet, I would say your approach is better. That said, I don’t separate personal character and politics with a neat cleavage. I think the politics is part of the “person,” not some separate category that is divorced from the reality of who the person is. It is not the same thing as a favorite color.

    Many of them accuse me of crimes and misdemeanors. It doesn’t bother me. I can do that and I can take it or leave it. I may be guilty of shooting first and sometimes the other side strikes first. I understand the difference between ad hominin and intellectual exchange. Geo, for example, has some interesting information to pass on from time to time along with his propaganda. Propaganda is dishonest in an intellectual exchange and if you use it then you should be willing to take the rejection and accusation of duplicity. I am more than willing to take any and all abuse when I spout propaganda and I give the same in return.

    I’ll let you tell me what I should do with the dimwits that don’t know propaganda from their ass, but I know what I want for the ones that are bright enough to know better.

    I think all our exchanges have been cordial (hope so anyway). I can do it your way or I can get in the gutter. I am not trying to be a role model.

  277. @Talha

    “… and playing fast and loose with ‘Nazi” never helps one’s credibility.”

    Dear Talha,

    Respectfully, your are exchanging comments with a very little hasbara mind.” (Sigh) I am even anxious for crooked Sam Shama to make an appearance here and provide ”iffen-iffen with dishonorable egress, a way out.

    I will now try & be respectful and brief:

    Why did you resort to the quote (above) while the forces of global Zionism have successfully reduced the historical truth about Germany and WW II to (almost) complete rubble?

    Why give up precious historical “turf” to wealthy, powerful and lying Zionists who neither need nor want “credibility?” Why, why, Talha?

    They play nothing but “fast & loose” because THEY CAN DO SO with the blessing of the three (3) branches of U.S. government!

    Who here at Unz review is happy with U.S. high school students getting unholy Zionist lies administered by Department of Education I.V. ? Who?

    (Sigh) Respectfully — Talha — all may benefit from a measure of politico-historical “penance” which is readily available and in Gus Goodland’s comment # 270. Read it three (3) times and… become AWARE? Thanks very much.

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  278. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    The only Unzer who seems to actually want mass murder or race war is Joe Webb, so far as I’ve seen. Even the Nazi supporters take the route of denying the mass-murders rather than justifying them.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @RobinG
  279. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Keith Says:

    “Playing fast and loose with “NAZI” never helps one’s credibility”

    The only people playing fast and loose with “NAZI” are the Jewish Zionist.

    ” It’s a trick, the Jews always use it”

    ” Oven Burners” ?

    Did you ever see the brick pizza ovens at the German labor camps. The ovens that supposedly burned millions of Jews.

    At the end of the war the ovens were intact
    after being fired up around the clock for several years. No damage to the bricks.

    Oh no…. thought crime. It is a crime to question any part of the official Jewish Holocaust story in several counties.

    Talha … do you still believe the Germans made soap from burned Jews?

    Do you believe the truth needs laws to protect it?

    Only the Holohoax needs laws to protect it.

    • Replies: @Talha
  280. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Keith says:

    “Stick with just dropping in pellets”

    Do you have any idea what temperature is needed for the pellets to become activated
    and effective.

    No need for good forensic for proof of a crime.

    The story goes… the pellets activated and were effective because… because… because. No need for evidence. Just pass laws criminalizing questioning the pellet method to kill.

  281. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Keith says:

    Iffen…. this is because you actually believe in your own propaganda and Allied Jewish war propaganda for over 70 years.

    The choice is having patriotic Americans in charge. Americans who are accused of being 88s all of the time.

    “It a trick, the Jews always use it”

    Iffen … you are losing credibility.

    Does that mean you are making Aliyah?

    Or are you immigrating to Germany, like other Jews.

  282. iffen says:
    @anonymous

    take the route of denying the mass-murders rather than justifying them

    Same thing.

    • Replies: @Anon
  283. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Hola Keith(?),

    Honestly, I have never made the Holocaust an obsession from either direction (lower or higher estimates) in my life. Neither am I an expert in it. I leave those things to the historians/researchers to hash out. From what I have gathered, most have gotten the number to around somewhat over 5 million:

    http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm#Holocaust

    Even a few innocent being a horrific number, honestly. But in that war, it was really just another very bloody feather in a massive industrial human meat grinder.

    do you still believe the Germans made soap from burned Jews?

    Did they? I told you, this is not an area I have much knowledge about.

    Do you believe the truth needs laws to protect it?

    Nope – research should be open for anyone to do and criticize. I don’t see a problem in this. Let the truth come out.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
  284. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Keith says:

    The route I will take is Holocaust Revisionism. Which means demanding evidence of mass industrialized murder by Germans.

    The “denying” option is a Jewish trick.

    Germans, and every Eastern European country murdered their Jewish neighbors. In fact, Germany’s advancement into Eastern Europe, facilitated their pogroms.

    To deny Jews weren’t murdered is like saying the world is flat.

    With respect to justifying mass murder, this is not an option for me either.

    Mass murder by the Jewish Bolshevik Communist NKVD was covered up by the Nuremberg trial.

    You have two options. DENIAL OR JUSTIFICATION.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    Don’t worry, this story will never be on the Zio History Channel. You won’t have to make a decision.

    Notice my source is a Jewish publication.

    No need to call me a 88. Lastly, why was so many people in Europe killing Jews.

    Maybe we can learn by examining this question to a sound conclusion.

    People are upset in America because AIPAC is in town.

    Please give me a assigned number I can use against pro Israel Jewish mass NKVD and IDF mass murders.

    Thanks

  285. RobinG says:
    @anonymous

    Produce evidence, or refrain from libel.

    • Replies: @anon
  286. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Not at all. It indicates a dislike of mass murder, and a tacit denial of its justifiability.

  287. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    Iffen,

    The account posted confirms mistake after mistake. Don’t disagree, but it’s the type of post-mortem that dances around the larger issue. Launch an attack, win the war, make excuses later.

    Theory:

    • Israel, feeling threatened on all sides, plans an audacious multi-front attack to secure leveraged power for future generations;
    • It’s David and Goliath all over again; life or death; no friends or allies are reliable; trust no one;
    • Israel rolls the dice and attacks (in all directions);
    • Order of the day: eliminate ALL unknowns, anything that could possibly interfere with the war plan;
    • Goal: victory. Do whatever necessary. The rest will sort itself out.

    That describes most war since Homer (and before?). All venues. Attack brings the fog of war and unpredictable events, usually best met with pragmatic expedience. That’s it’s nature (Ares).

    USS Liberty was an ‘unknown’ or, at best, unreliable (US Suez ‘56). Not worth risking the war plan. Eliminate it. Sort it out later.

    Victor or vanquished, each is still responsible for it’s actions.

    Israel and the Liberty? Tragic mistake, comedy of errors? Believable, but not the whole story. Not by a long shot.

    Let Bamford tell it:

    “[the] Israeli court of inquiry completely exonerated the government and all those involved. No one was ever court-martialed, reduced in rank or even reprimanded.”

    Why? Why were (incompetent) perpetrators honored in a museum?

    Iffen, US history is replete with worse incidents. I don’t necessarily blame Israel (it’s war). But remember Wiesenthal’s caution (‘The Sunflower’). Admission of fault comes before forgiveness. Fault in this case would be the blind recklessness of war. Is Israel better than everyone else? Or is it just as human as the rest of us?

    BTW You seem increasingly Manichaaein. White or black. Good or bad. Carte-blanche for Israel or one’s a Nazi. Sorry, that’s not the world I live in. Does anyone?

    “He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, an abyss also gazes into you” (apologies to Nietzsche).

    Stay well, iffen.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @iffen
  288. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    Geo doesn’t seem to be among the worst. He would likely shy away from the rubber boots assignments and stick with just dropping in the pellets.

    I pity you.

  289. RobinG says:

    Meanwhile, here are the NWO empire promoters that If-It’s Anglo-Zionist pals are funding: Regime Change for the Villa in the Jungle.
    Briefing at Nat’l. Press Club tomorrow -

    http://www.press.org/events/international-chief-prosecutors-launch-consulting-firm

    BRIEFING: Three former and current International Chief Prosecutors will announce the establishment of their consulting firm, Justice Consultancy International, LLC.

    The firm’s Principals, David M. Crane, Sir Desmond de Silva Q.C. and Brenda J. Hollis, are uniquely positioned to deliver professional, independent and discreet consulting services to governments, law firms, corporations, nongovernmental organizations and others. Broad ranging consulting services will include investigations, inquiries, fact finding missions, factual and legal analysis, audits and risk assessment, with corresponding conclusions, recommendations and advice.

    JCI will also provide educative services in numerous areas ranging from international criminal law, corporate ethics and responsibility, law of war training, domestic prosecutions of international crimes.

    The Principals of JCI are world renowned counsel with sterling reputations who enjoy the confidence of governments and leaders internationally:

    David M. Crane: Founding Chief Prosecutor of the Special Court for Sierra Leone. Leading international figure in building a trial package against President Assad and his henchmen. Founder of Impunity Watch, the Syrian Accountability Project, the IamSyria Campaign. Co-author of the Caesar Report.

    Sir Desmond de Silva Q.C.: One of the highest profile Queen’s Counsel from Britain with vast experience of legal practice in the UK and Commonwealth jurisdictions. A former Chief Prosecutor of the Special Court for Sierra Leone, he has been used by the UN to investigate and report on allegations of war crimes. He chaired the inquiry that led to the Caesar Report.

    Brenda J. Hollis: Chief Prosecutor of the Residual Special Court for Sierra Leone and Reserve International Co-Prosecutor of the Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia. As Chief Prosecutor of the Special Court for Sierra Leone, she was responsible for the prosecution of the former President of Liberia, Charles Taylor. She has extensive consulting experience at the international level.

  290. L.K says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hey Chuck,
    You asked uncle talha ‘Why, why, Talha?’

    Well, in a blunt way, as Revusky once put it, it is bc Talha is, in fact, ‘uncle’ Talha.
    :-)
    BTw, thanks for the contact, will be in touch.

  291. @Incitatus

    “Launch an attack, win the war, make excuses later.”

    Incitatus,

    After reading the sentence above, I saw where you are coming from and immediately, a “caution” light beamed.

    Regarding the U.S.S. Liberty:

    1. The Israelis opened fire upon this disproportionately undefended American recon ship and committed murder.

    2. Israel was not at war with the United States.

    3. Israel’s excuses for the “monstrous” serial murder (committed at sea) were accepted by the LBJ administration who were turned into “monsters” in the service (& pay) of monstrous Zionists.

    I do not like exchanging thought with you because of your (human) chameleon nature.

    Pardon my penchant for trying to recognize B&W, light from darkness, but you are quite cunning and a skilled writer. Such are vital “human” elements that often provide monsters with great & perverse warmongering advantages. Economic advantages too.

    A question. Does the abyss Zionists managed to impose upon America & the world ever gaze back at you and mutter, “This is war, sucker!”

    Good night and good luck.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Incitatus
  292. @Talha

    iffen and his stable mates such as Shameless Sham Sharma lost all credibility when they attempted to defend the indefensible, which they do repeatedly. It doesn’t seem to be so easily swallowed by many here at Unz, which is why they work so hard at it. Pathetic and spiritually dead, all of them.

  293. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Keith says:

    “Let the truth come out”

    Thank you Talha for being so tolerant and understanding for the right to free speech and the need for the truth to come out.

    “I leave those things to the historians”

    The first casualty of war is the truth. Those historians who have challenged the official Holocaust story have been attacked physically and their careers ruined. Why?

    Most of the famous Holocaust revisionist are not even German, and they are not 88s.

    What is their motive?

    What is the motive behind the Jewsish demand that Holocaust revisionism be criminalized?

    No business like Shoah business?

    Justification for the establishment, settlement expansion and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians? Sympathy?

    The Holocaust story has more to do with Israeli politics today than what happen in WW 2.

    We are living in: The last days of the big lie.

    I will leave you with this thought.

    ” From what I gathered, most have gotten the number around to somewhat over 5 million”.

    Do you believe 5 million Jews, many of them allegedly died by gassing, and today, after all of the research done, we don’t have one autopsy proving one Jew died from Zyklon B poisoning?

    The forensic science we have today, we can determine what gladiators ate just before they died in the Roman colosseum.

    This debate could end without laws limiting free speech.

    Dig up the bones in the mass graves at the Auschwitz labor camp and test the bone fragments of the dead for traces of Zyklon B. “The I gather 5 million died in the Holocaust”, and 4 million Jews allegedly died at the camp, there must be bone fragments for testing,

    If the Jewish historians had the autopsy, we would all know about it. The scientific research by decendents of Jewish survivors into the Holocaust and the evidence proving mass murder by gassing, would make an compelling Oscar winning Hollywood movie.,

    • Replies: @Talha
  294. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    If you blame Israel for starting the war, I can see the logic in saying everything including the reckless mistakes was their fault. I haven’t studied the war enough to weigh in on the just/unjust evaluation.

    You seem increasingly Manichaaein.

    Actually I’m pretty much a continuum person. I just can’t see a lot of wiggle room with items like Holocaust denial.

    Bad mouth Israel all you want, just do it on the same basis that you condemn other counties, not because Israel is full of Jews.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  295. L.K says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hey Chuck,

    in case you missed it:
    Terrorism: How the Israeli State Was Won

    http://www.unz.com/article/terrorism-how-the-israeli-state-was-won/

    State of Terror: How Terrorism Created Modern Israel – December 1, 2016
    by Thomas Suarez

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1?ie=UTF8&text=Thomas+Suarez&search-alias=books&field-author=Thomas+Suarez&sort=relevancerank

    Endorsement of the book by Israeli Historian, Prof. Ilan Pappé:

    A tour de force, based on diligent archival research that looks boldly at the impact of Zionism on Palestine and its people in the first part of the 20th century. The book is the first comprehensive and structured analysis of the violence and terror employed by the Zionist movement, and later the state of Israel, against the people of Palestine.

    Some of what the author reveals I already knew, but there was much new information.
    Another piece of the puzzle… quite ironic, given the zionists are the key manufacturers of the fraudulent war on terror and the meme of islamic terrorism – which, to the degree that it actually exists, has in fact been nurtured by ZUSA’s key Salafist allies, as well as by ZUSA itself, as well as some European powers, ZUK above all, but France too.
    For a recent and current example, take a look at what ZUSA and friends have been doing in Syria. They absolutely knew, from day one, that the ‘rebels’ were and are, in fact, Salafist extremists, but to this day continue the pretense of ‘rebels’ or of ‘moderate’ rebels… they backed and still back sectarian salafi/wahhabi mercenaries, all under the cover of supporting the Syrian people in its alleged ‘struggle for Democracy’(even if the ‘rebels’ were democracy seeking people, which they are most certainly not, it is still illegal to arm people to overthrow foreign governments). In a few occasions, such as a couple of times in Deir Ezzor province, Zusa/nato even directly launched airstrikes against Syrian army soldiers who have been under long ISIS siege. The worst airstrike devastated a strategic Syrian army position, paving the way for isis ground troops to overun the area. The syrian army position was on a hill which overlooks Dei-Ezzor military airport, which is the supply line for the besieged troops and 150,000+ civilians. ZUSA’s goal could not have been more obvious. The airport is under constant isis fire now.
    Recently, the cowardly israeli sissies have launched airstrikes against Syrian troops around Palmyra of all places. The only forces in the area , besides the syrians and their allies, are isis forces, reeling from recent defeats. Not even the usual excuse of striking Hezbollah arms supplies was feasible in this case.
    The war against Syria is just another monstrous crime against humanity and, by and large, it has been made possible by criminal Zionist agents in good ole ZUSA, connected to the zio mafia ‘state’ of israel.

  296. L.K says:
    @Talha

    You know, uncle Talha, the reason why you’d treat an obvious Hasbara troll, such as iffen-iffen, as if it is some sort of decent , truth-seeking person, must only be known to you – I suppose it is part of the reason why you are an uncle talha – but I gotta tell ya lad, it is a bit disgusting.

    Anyway, re the holohoax fraud, and yes, it is a fraud, I believed in it until my mid 20s, thinking holocaust revisionists must be some sort of flat earth society. Of course, I had never, ever, heard their arguments, had never had a chance to read their articles and books. The Internet made it easier to find their writings and finally, I decided to look into it for myself, half expecting to lol at whatever they had to say. Oh boy, I was in for the surprise of my life! Since then I have been so much more skeptical of many ‘facts’ which the powers that be feed into our unsuspecting brains…
    BTW, there is no free speech in the West, rather what we have is a façade of free speech.
    In Europe, many countries have laws to fine and even imprison dissidents of the holohoax for years, i.e, thought crimes.
    In ZUSA, well, the methods used are those of intimidation… they’ll go for your job, will smear you viciously in the msm presstitutes, etc. In the end, result is the same. Ask Prof.Finkelstein, who was fired for the much more trivial thing of denouncing Israeli crimes with facts.
    I never had anyone pointing me towards the other side of the (hidden) holocaust debate, but I’ll do it for you. Possibly, one of the best starting points, is Germar’s ‘ Lectures on the Holocaust—Controversial Issues Cross Examined’. You can download it for free at

    https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=15

    Interestingly, Amazon, which had carried this and many other revisionist titles for years, resisting previous Jewish pressure, has recently finally given up… erasing all these books from their catalog.
    Who is afraid of the revisionists? Those, who, unlike you, know damn well that their ‘giant’ – the holohoax – has little feet of clay…

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anon
  297. “war against Syria… it has been made possible by criminal Zionists.”

    Hey L.K.,

    With the above words, you demonstrate the opposite of cowardice.

    In the Baltimore catechism of my youth, I was taught about the “sin of omission.” My late-Byzantine Catholic priest would discuss sin by silence, and some kids listened.

    The powerful “mafia state of Israel” strives to make U.S. citizens COWARDS who fear to raise protest against monstrous crimes against humanity, i.e., the 9-11 attacks and immoral attack upon Afghanistan late-2001 and Iraq April 2003.

    The human race has climbed on the blood shed by martyrs who raised voices against “monstrous” injustice.

    I respect your will for PROTEST against “Criminal Zionist agents.” As you know, (Sigh) The Corporate Media will only raise it’s influential voice to protest & condemn lawlessness that does not concern Israeli crimes against humanity.

    In contrast, one can look at Incitatus’s Unz comments and find very little PROTEST against the vested powers of “ZUSA.” Inci writes with rather beautiful logic but all is gagged and throttled. With such mental gifts, no protest does he make.

    At best, Incitatus can be called a strong “link” which keeps the gradually perishing Zionist chain intact. I take caution with his every comment.

    Thanks, L.K. No time to edit this… Must go to work now!

  298. Dissident says:
    @iffen

    As a fellow Sabbath-observing Jew (but not a Zionist), I must say that seeing the completely gratuitous foul language in this post of yours– used in the very course of pointing-out your observance, no less– made me cringe. G-d knows, I am in no position to judge you, having plenty of weaknesses myself. But I would appeal to you, even entreat you, to try your utmost to refrain from such language going forward.

    Kind regards,

    Dissident

    • Replies: @iffen
  299. Dissident says:
    @iffen

    For the record, if the choice is between hysterical, dogmatic, intolerant SJWs on one side and assorted 88s on the other, I’ll take the SJWs every day of the week.

    We have to pray that things do not come to a point where those will be the only choices.

    There is a terrible irony that I see here and it is this: What I fear as most likely to bring a catastrophic backlash against Jews in this country (G-d forbid) is behavior and actions on the part of far too many Jews– particularly and especially the very ones most likely to cry “anti-semitism” and throw around the terms “Nazi” and “Hitler”, with abandon, as epithets and smears to silence dissent. (To the point of causing those terms to lose meaning and making a mockery of them and the real evil that they represent.) I speak, specifically, of Jews who promote such corrosive and tyrannical ideologies/movements/policies as SJW-ism, Cultural Marxism and both wings of the globalist bird-of-prey: “Invade the world” (endless invasions, interventions and entanglements that bring misery to other lands while making us less safe)/”Invite the world” (open borders; mass third-world immigration). It must be noted that all of these, far from representing or being consistent with Judaism, represent grave violations and rejections of it; forms of idolatry, heresy and apostasy.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @iffen
  300. iffen says:
    @Dissident

    Thank you for your advice. From time to time I do resolve to try and refrain from foul language and ad hominem, perhaps I will give it another shot. Please read my comment #261.

    I am curious as to why I was the sole recipient of this admonishment in view of some of the words used by some of the other commenters?

    If you or anyone else thinks that Holocaust denial is not more obscene and foul than anything I have ever said or thought, I am at a loss in trying to explain reality to you.

    I am not Jewish. I don’t even know any Jews.

    Are you choosey as to your dissent, or is a blanket rule?

    • Replies: @Dissident
  301. @Dissident

    I appreciate your post. I’m not Jewish, I’m not even sure what Jewish is anyway. My dad dealt in precious stones so most of his associates were Jews including his lifelong best friend. They did deals on a handshake then and the only time I heard a bad word about Jews growing up was when a friend of my dad said a person was a tight old Jew. Dad replied that the old Jew was a tough negotiator but he always kept his word.

    I have Jewish friends and acquaintances whom I believe to be good people. There are good and bad amongst all people but, and it’s a big but, there is a network of people who are going to cause all Jews to suffer again, along with everyone else, and it is all so unwanted and unnecessary.

  302. iffen says:
    @Dissident

    We have to pray that things do not come to a point where those will be the only choices.

    I don’t think that it will come to that either. The 88s are few in number. Unz commenters could likely constitute a quorum. The “establishment” has little opposition, certainly nothing organized. They spend most of their time hunting down and shooting stragglers at this point.

    What I fear as most likely to bring a catastrophic backlash against Jews in this country (G-d forbid) is behavior and actions on the part of far too many Jews

    Interesting. The behavior of some Jews create the hatred in anti-Semites. If only they would just stop certain nefarious behaviors, everything will be kumbaya.

    • Replies: @Anon
  303. Talha says:
    @L.K

    Dear Nephew,

    Thanks for the link. Quite interesting. Again, I am not an expert on this subject. Let the research proceed honestly and in the clear light of day – I have no problems with this. If the number ends up being 1 million or ten million – no problem. Obviously, we should still conclude that industrial massacre on this scale should not be undertaken.

    I’ll cop to treating people, with whom I disagree, with dignity and courtesy. It’s the fault of my spiritual teachers, they just don’t know what kind of ‘values’ they’re teaching me!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @L.K
  304. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Hola Keith(?),

    The Holocaust story has more to do with Israeli politics today than what happen in WW2.

    There is a good amount of truth in this as Prof. Finkelstein pointed out in how it is an industry -especially one where many of the survivors barely get any money and lawyers collect bank. That Israel uses it again and again to go after nations like Iran or others that have zero to do with what happened in Europe.

    As far as details about gas, burning, etc. – as I said to L.K., I’m no expert and I think it’s all good if researchers want to open up the subject for debate – it should not be criminalized. Do I think that it is in the interests of some to prop up the numbers? Sure, I see this stuff done all the time against Muslims – like the alleged massacre of up to 200 million Hindus in India. Do I think Germany had the ability to starve (easiest – Italians did this plenty in North Africa – costs you nothing except good fences to keep people corralled), shoot, burn, gas or otherwise kill off millions upon millions of human beings? Sure, that number easily meets the kind of stuff you hear about happening around that time frame from what happened under the Communists in Russia, China or the Turks, or even Belgium in the Congo, etc.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Seraphim
  305. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Obviously, we should still conclude that industrial massacre on this scale should not be undertaken.

  306. Pal says:

    we send our innocent citizens to wash.dc. to represent us… unfortunately, just like in the 1956 movie, ”the invasion of the body snatchers”, although their appearance remains the same, they are no longer Americans… they morph into Israeli Zionists… and because we Americans are in a coma, we re-elect them.. this is why I blame us and not the 537 Wash d.c. Israeli brownies for the tragic pickle we find ourselves in… my two favorite Washingtonians are still ”Bo” and Sunny”… their performance before aipac, [I still want to know what the a stands for], was not only sickening, but also disgraceful… they are very proud to be a major part, of the aiding and abetting of the ”GENOCIDE” that our best friends [friend, the most abused word in the dictionary] perpetrate against the hapless .Pals… who murdered 30 million people, the devout Catholic Hitler and the German people, or the ”Terrorist” [terrorist, the second most abused word in the dictionary] Muslim Pals?… if I remember right, it was not the ”terrorist” Pals., yet they are the ones picking up the tab for what the Germans did.. Israel and us fools ain’t gonna stop until Israel is the only one left on the dance floor.. Iran is next on the hit parade.. despite all our military power, if we don’t smarten up [it may be already to late], we will be brought to our knees financially.. just look at what a 7 ft. , 125 lb. guy, with a beard down to the floor, wearing ”flip flops” cost us and is still costing us even though he is sleeping with the flounders.. Egypt, shaking us down to the tune of 78 BILLION since 1948, just to make nice to Israel, and in the process, selling their neighbors out… God has a way of working in mysterious ways, I’m scared..

  307. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Keith says:

    Iffen..Thank you for being honest.

    Unfortunately I have bad news for you.

    Yes… you are right. The 88s are small in number and are not organized and will never be able to challenge Jewish Zionist
    power in America. However, the (God forbid) you are worried about already happen.

    Listen to what this good Jew (he is considered a self hating Jew by most of the tribe) has to say about mass murder and the catalyzing event that will unite millions of patriotic Americans against the
    Jewish American cabal.

    Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0v7_O53J0k

    Would you consider Alan Sabrosky a 88?

    Some say the Bolshevik Jews killed George Patton and millions of Christians. Others say the Jews got away with the Lavon Affair and the bombing of the King David Hotel. Many believe the Jews killed John and Robert Kennedy. Many military veterans and active duty military personnel know the Jews killed American sailors when they attacked the USS Liberty. The self hating Jew, Carl Berstein says the Jewish NeoCons pushed for the Iraq war. Also, many Americans know about the dancing Israelis who were celebrating the mass murder of 3000 Americans. Many people on Wall Street know Goldman and Sach Jews almost brought down the American financial world. Everyone knows BernieMadoff stole 60+ billion dollars in a Ponzi scheme.

    I can go on endlessly.

    Anti Semitism and 88s is not some unknown malady.

    The antisemites and the 88s are not the problem. Jewish crimes against others is the problem.

    The Jews might have to activate their “Sampson Option” soon. Their Jewish luck just might be running out.

  308. Incitatus says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Chuck,

    Israel ruthlessly attacked Liberty. They admitted as much, blamed it on a ‘comedy of errors’ (iffen’s phrase), and paid restitution. I disagree it’s that simple, as should be clear from my posts. Facts are stubborn things. Why no finding of fault or penalties for those responsible? One of the torpedo boats honored in a museum?

    I’ve persistently disagreed with the official account, and I’ve been specific about my reasons. Is that enablement?

    Chuck, you seem to want me to join a chorus that routinely screeches indignation and not much else. What good is that? Need a scapegoat? Feel better afterwards? As said before, mud obscures any point and usually spatters on those who throw it. Just my opinion. Sorry.

    Can’t remember my Baltimore Catechism, but ‘hate the sin, love the sinner’ has got to be in there somewhere. Well, maybe not. It’s been a long time.

    • Replies: @iffen
  309. L.K says:
    @Talha

    Uncle Talha,
    you wrote, foolishly: “If the number ends up being 1 million or ten million – no problem. Obviously, we should still conclude that industrial massacre on this scale should not be undertaken.”

    Sigh… listen, this is NOT merely about how many died, there is a whole lot more to it than that.
    As Prof.T.Dalton wrote:

    There are, in fact, three essential elements to the event called the Holocaust:
    (1) intention to mass murder the Jews, by Hitler and the Nazi elite;
    (2) the use of gas chambers(the extermination camps & gas vans); and
    (3) the 6 million deaths.

    If any one of these three should undergo substantial revision, then, technically speaking, we no longer have “The Holocaust”—at least, not in any meaningful sense. (Broadly speaking, of course, any mass fatality is a holocaust.) Holocaust revisionism contends that, not one, but all three of these points are grossly in error, and thus that “The Holocaust,” as such, did not occur. Obviously, this is not to deny that a tragedy happened to the Jews, nor that many thousands died, directly and indirectly, as a result of the war. But the conventional account is an extreme exaggeration.

    Most people are led to believe – I was one of them – in regards to the ‘holocau$t’, that there is abundant proof of the alleged crime, as described above.
    This is absolutely NOT THE CASE.

    In fact, many holocaust ‘historians’, I call them quacks, have actually admitted the near total lack of material and documentary evidence in support of their claims.
    There is, as the revisionist side has shown, an abundance of evidence refuting the official dossier, which is basically atrocity propaganda on steroids.

  310. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “If you blame Israel for starting the war…”

    The IDF launched the first strike. A ‘preemptive’ air attack on Egypt. I’m sure they had many good reasons. Blame? It matters little what I think. I don’t “blame” anybody. OK. I’ll blame everybody if you like. Is that better? Doesn’t change the facts. Israel struck first.

    Next you’ll be saying Saddam started ‘Iraqi Freedom’ in ‘03, or neutral Belgium attacked Germany in 1914. Or (my favorite) French ‘Revanchism’ forced Germany to invade them.

    “Bad mouth Israel all you want…”

    Moi? Iffen, libelous characterizations don’t become you. Are you that desperate? Show me where I’ve slurred Israel. S’il vous plaît.

    • Replies: @iffen
  311. L.K says:
    @Talha

    Talha:”Do I think Germany had the ability to starve (easiest – Italians did this plenty in North Africa – costs you nothing except good fences to keep people corralled), shoot, burn, gas or otherwise kill off millions upon millions of human beings? Sure..”

    Having the ability to do something and doing it are very, very different things. yeah, NS Germany could have killed almost every single Jew in its sphere of control during the war, but did it?
    No. In fact, at the end of the war there were MILLIONS of Jew ‘survivors’ in Europe and the USSR, in areas that had been occupied by the Germans.
    Even today, the numbers of “holocaust survivors” are enormous. In 2003 an Israeli demographer, Sergio Della Pergola, stated in an official Israeli report that there were 1.092,000 Jewish holocaust survivors alive in the world in 2003!

    • Replies: @Talha
  312. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    Facts are stubborn things. Why no finding of fault or penalties for those responsible?

    Note the name of the operations officer on Mizhak – Udi Erell. In 1967 he had commanded a squadron of three FAC. Six years later, in 1973, he had been demoted to the ops officer of one such craft. Yet Udi Erell is the son of Shlomo Erell, the Chief of Staff of the Israeli Navy. Despite being VIP’s son, the Israeli Navy really busted Udi Erell’s chops. If it was a conspiracy they’d have found somebody else less well-connected to be the scapegoat.

    What’s the point of my taking the time to get good information if you can’t read?

  313. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    Not you as in moi, anybody. Criticize Israel all you want:

    just do it on the same basis that you condemn other counties, not because Israel is full of Jews.

    Of course if that is all you do, not moi, the editorial you, and you do not have any other interests, I will have some questions.

  314. geokat62 says:

    More good news. Another great humanitarian speaks out against the inhumanity of brutally occupying another people. Here’s a book review by Mondoweiss:

    New book by Larry Derfner, the American-turned-Israeli journalist, crushes liberal Zionism

    Here is some of what Larry Derfner believes today. Let us remember that he is no marginal figure, but a successful, respected journalist, who has contributed to American media since 1985 and had a long-running column in the Jerusalem Post until he was fired for his changing views.

    1. Israel is not the victim, but itself provokes the regular conflicts in Gaza and the attacks in Lebanon and Syria.

    2. Israel is a segregated society.

    3. Both the 1993 Oslo agreement and the negotiations in 2000 led by Prime Minister Ehud Barak were fatally flawed, and no Palestinian leader could ever have accepted either agreement.

    “The occupation is not just a flaw, but a morally fatal flaw.” Derfner adds, “It is different from apartheid, different from Jim Crow, but the same in one overriding way: It is a species of tyranny, a system of government in which the strong trample the weak. The system Israel runs on the three million people of the West Bank is military dictatorship.”

    “The purpose of the occupation isn’t security; it’s conquest.” He goes on, “If Israel had only been interested in the West Bank and Gaza for security reasons, it wouldn’t have built civilian settlements — colonies — for 600,000 people and counting. Instead, it would have built only military installations. Residential neighborhoods, schools, shopping centers, and parking lots don’t give you security.” Liberal Zionists are far too squeamish to agree — especially when he accurately uses the word “colonies.”

    “Israel’s problem is not what it may become, but what it already is.” Derfner argues convincingly that the Israeli right and far-right have already won, that only a small, powerless percentage of Israeli Jews agree with his views: “Liberals who for years on end warn Israel about the future are just afraid to admit that the future has long since arrived.” Here he is correcting one of the most dangerous examples of bias in the New York Times and the rest of the US mainstream — which go to tortuous lengths to cover up the viciousness, violence and the power of the Israeli far right, some of whom are already influential members of the government.

    4. “Stop blaming both sides equally.”

    5. “US diplomacy is not the solution; it’s a central part of the problem.”

    6. Boycott Divestment and Sanctions is a necessary part of the solution.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/04/new-book-by-larry-derfner-the-american-turned-israeli-journalist-crushes-liberal-zionism/

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @L.K
  315. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @L.K

    Keith says:

    Thanks L.K.

    for the HolocaustHandbooks.com

    It is very important we share the information in the handbooks with as many people as we can. We should also share Henry Ford’s “Dearnborn Independent” articles that warned us about Jewish power in America. I consider this effort to be “Washing the Brains” of the people who have been completely indoctrinated to believe the Holocaust story.

    The importance of sharing Holocaust Revisionism material has taken on a greater ergency since Amazon’s recent book burning.

    The thought crime of Holocaust Revisionism will have to go further under ground.

    Is this action by Amazon the first indication ” Holocaust Denial” will be criminalized in America?

    By Amazon’s cowardly outrageous action, Holocaust Revisionism is now officially “Hate Speech”. Where is the Jewish ACLU when you need them and where is the NRA when you need them to protect free speech in America?

    Remember the Constitution is a living document, and free speech can be taken away with the stroke of the pen.

    We all know what the Jews have done with the free speech rights of those who support BDS.

    Soon you and I will be communicating with each other from a jail cell.

    Hopefully the cells will have better accommodations than the NKVD Bolshevik Communists Gulags.

    • Replies: @iffen
  316. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    OMG, stop the presses, dial 911, whatever. Geo has found another Jew that says, “yada, yada, yada.”

  317. iffen says:
    @Anon

    Soon you and I will be communicating with each other from a jail cell.

    Aww, man, you paint such a rosy picture of the future, too good to be true.

  318. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Keith says:

    “Too good to be true”

    Do you really think this Street Smart Amelec from the Bronx didn’t anticipate your response?

    Do you really think my main objective for writing to you directly is because I need to engage in verbal skirmishes with a fifth column hasbara member?

    Evidently you haven’t analyze my messages.

    I am not writing to you. I am writing to Unz Review bloggers to educate them on Forbidden History.

    The internet has provided a avenue around the Jewish controlled media. We are in the communication phase of the revolution against the Zionist nation in America.

    What I did in my last post to you was to expose to everyone what a hypocrite you are.

    ” We should never have industrialized mass murder”. Remember .. Never Again!

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    Notice I refered to Gulags. I want everyone to know about Stalin’s Jews.

    Genrihk Yagoda, a Jew of the NKVD, who ran the Soviet Union concentration camps, was the greatest mass murder of all time. 50+ million actual murders. Unlike the Holohoax.

    Why doesn’t anyone know his name?

    Why didn’t he hang from the gallows for his crimes?

    Jewish control of the media.

    Notice this information isn’t from a 88 website. It is from Jewish sources.

    Thank you for helping me to disseminate

    “Forbidden History” for the communication revolution.

    Consider me to be a Hasbara member for patriotic Americans.

    Is there a number I could assign to the IDF/Mossad mass murders?

    Good night and sleep tight.

  319. Talha says:
    @L.K

    Dear Nephew,

    You seem to be wanting to pick a fight where there is no reason to. We agree on a whole lot of this and you’ve got me sold – the official account has holes in it. It actually didn’t take that much to sell me honestly. So now let’s let the academics and researchers hash it out and demand that it remain legal to question the official narrative. I look forward to this issue finally being resolved. Maybe it’ll take a couple of decades given that groups like AIPAC are able to marshal quite a few resources, but hopefully before I kick it out of this world.

    Peace.

  320. Marty T says:
    @nickels

    Who was there first, Jews or Muslims?

    • Replies: @L.K
  321. Marty T says:

    Seems like most people on this thread believe two things…

    (1) The Holocaust never happened.

    (2) A new Hitler should finish the job.

    If they were smarter or less hateful, they might understand the irony.

  322. Dissident says:
    @iffen

    I am not Jewish. I don’t even know any Jews.

    Now I am totally confused. The comment of yours that I was replying-to read,

    Saturday, geo, is Shabbos, the Jewish day of rest. That means that I don’t work, I don’t drive a car, I don’t f[----]ng ride in a car, I don’t handle money, I don’t turn on the oven, and I sure as s[--]t DON’T F[----]NG POST COMMENTS AT UNZ!

    Now you say that you are not even a Jew, much-less a Sabbath-observant one?

    If that is the case, then I suppose it would leave two possibilities:

    a) You are a Gentile who, for some reason, chooses to observe the Jewish Sabbath in the Orthodox manner. (Perhaps a Seventh-Day Adventist? Though I didn’t think that their observance of such included any restriction on driving or riding in an automobile.)
    or,
    b) You were quoting someone else who is a Sabbath-observant Jew.

    If b), then apparently the individual you were quoting is named or known (at least to you) as “Walter Sobchak”; I did see that name, followed by the colon, at the beginning of the comment of yours that I had replied-to. But since I saw neither quotation marks, HTML formatting or anything else that would have clearly indicated that the text you posted was a quote and not your own words, I figured that “Walter Sobchak” was the individual you were addressing.

    Of the two possibilities, b) would have seemed more likely to me. Except if you were merely quoting someone else, why would you not have pointed that out in your response to my criticism?

    Rather than make myself any dizzier trying to figure it all out, I will simply await your reply in the hope that it will provide the solution to this puzzle.

    At any rate, what is certain is that I had read and responded to the words-in-question from your comment as if they were your own. I would think that you could understand why, as an Orthodox Jew myself, I would find it particularly and especially disturbing to see such gratuitous language from someone who not only had just identified himself as an observant Jew but was using said language in the very course of so identifying himself!

    (Incidentally, although completely beside the point here, I might as well mention that a review of my comment history would reveal at least two or three past instances where I have criticized others for one or another form of gratuitious vulgarity or nastiness.)

    If you or anyone else thinks that Holocaust denial is not more obscene and foul than anything I have ever said or thought, I am at a loss in trying to explain reality to you.

    No, certainly not. But I’ve had sufficient exposure by now to the Unz commentariat that I expect to see such obscenity here and have largely become desensitized to it. The odds of having any success at reasoning with individuals who hold such views seem exceedingly slim to me. I see little point in expending precious time and energy to attempt to do so.

    I was, however, rather shocked at this post by Phillip Giraldi, for several reasons– none of them being the criticism of AIPAC or Zionists. I will try to elaborate in a separate comment. Far from being a mere comment-poster or even just one of many featured authors at Unz, Mr. Giraldi is billed as the site’s “National Security Editor” ( http://www.unz.com/masthead/ )

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @anarchyst
  323. Seraphim says:
    @Talha

    In Russia it took twenty years to kill roughly 15 million at a time of no external war and all the killing resources were used internally. Could technically Germany kill 6 million in four years when all killing resources were insufficient for the war?
    Probably there were no more than 80 million Hindus killed by Muslims, but it took some 600 years. It took twenty years for Aurangzeb to kill just 4 million.

    • Replies: @Talha
  324. Dissident says:

    Mr. Giraldi:

    I am far from being a Zionist or AIPAC supporter and I recognize the critical distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism.

    In this piece, however, you wrote,

    In a number of European countries it is a crime to challenge the standard narrative on “the Holocaust.” Why should that be? You can in much of Europe stand in a town square and say horrible things about your own country but if you criticize the factual basis of one particular “event” that took place in the 1940s you will go to jail.

    Why did you place quotation marks around the words “the Holocaust.” and “event”? Do you dispute or question the premise that it is historical fact that the Nazis committed genocide against the Jews during World War II?

    (For the record, let make a few things make clear about my own position on the matter:

    - The minimum that I consider as absolutely incontrovertible historical fact here is that the Nazis did commit genocide against the Jews during World War II and that the total count of those murdered numbers somewhere in the millions. On the questions of the exact numbers and any number of other details, I am open to the possibility of there being honest and legitimate debate among historians.
    - I am not defending the referenced anti-free-speech laws.
    - I happen to be uncomfortable, for reasons I described in this past comment of mine with the term “The Holocaust”. I try, whenever possible, to use “Nazi genocide” or similar instead. )

    Additionally, instead of a photo of the AIPAC event that is the topic of your article or a similar event, you chose an unrelated photo of Hasidic youths. Why?

    How many individuals resembling the ones in the photo that accompanies this article did you see at the AIPAC conference?

    Hasidic Jews are among the least likely to have anything to do with AIPAC or even to be Zionist at all (at least in any active sense). (All the more so ones as young as those in the photo.) In fact, many Hasidim and other Orthodox Jews are actually explicitly anti-Zionist. Some quite zealously.

    Incidentally, I can find no credit for the photo anywhere on this page. Were the requisite rights in order to publish the photo acquired from its copyright holder?

    In your Wikipedia entry, one reads,

    Giraldi has written columns on terrorism, intelligence, and security issues for The American Conservative magazine, The Huffington Post, and Antiwar.com and op-ed pieces for the Hearst Newspaper chain. He has been interviewed by Good Morning America, 60 Minutes, MSNBC, Fox News Channel, National Public Radio, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, the British Broadcasting Corporation, al-Jazeera, al-Arabiya, Iran Daily[4] Russia Today,[5] Veterans Today, Press TV[6] and other outlets.[2]

    Can one find any instance, in any of your writings or appearances at the mainstream outlets named above, comparable to the ones from this Unz piece that I have pointed-out above? Have you ever or would you ever, in any of them, insinuate that you disputed or even questioned the historical truth of the Nazi genocide of Jews? Ditto for using a photo such as the one you used here, one unrelated to your topic.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @L.K
    , @Incitatus
    , @Vires
  325. iffen says:
    @Dissident

    “Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”
    ― George Bernard Shaw

    My moniker is iffen and I like wrestling with pigs. I might like it more than the pigs do. There, I said it, not proud of it, just the way it is.

    Okay, okay, back on the wagon one more time.

    I will simply await your reply in the hope that it will provide the solution to this puzzle.

    Yes, bad sentence structure on my part. I assumed that anyone with the slightest interest in the Decline and Fall of Pax Americana would know by heart the dialogue of The Big Lebowski.

    I was quoting the character Walter Sobchak to commenter geokat62 on behalf of commenter Sam Shama.

    The odds of having any success at reasoning with individuals who hold such views seem exceedingly slim to me. I see little point in expending precious time and energy to attempt to do so.

    I am not trying to reason with them.

    Far from being a mere comment-poster or even just one of many featured authors at Unz, Mr. Giraldi is billed as the site’s “National Security Editor”

    Please do. I hope I don’t miss your comment. It seems strange to me, considering the big picture of foreign affairs and the number of countries involved, that something along the lines of 8 out of 10 articles of his would be about dem Jews. That seems to leave a lot of security areas unobserved.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
    , @Dissident
  326. Talha says:
    @Seraphim

    Hey Seraphim,

    I already stated that I am agnostic to the numbers. Could it kill 6 million? Yes – starvation is the easiest method – human beings die within a few days if cut off from water. It literally is that simple. No need for bullets, gas or anything. You just have to find them and corral them. Did they kill 6 million, is another question.

    As far as the 80 million Hindu number – it is preposterous and I’ve already debunked it multiple times. You can search my archives if interested. Millions of Hindus killed over that time? Likely, but 80 million? Sorry, I need better proof than I’ve been offered.

    Only Hindutva nationalists and anti-Islamic polemicists believe in that tripe.

    You have a source for the Aurangzeb number? His wars to consolidate Mughal rule in India were bloody for sure, but I’ve not seen the number put that high. I’d love to have a source to examine – a reasonably academic one would be nice.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Seraphim
  327. iffen says:
    @Dissident

    - I happen to be uncomfortable, for reasons I described in this past comment of mine with the term “The Holocaust”. I try, whenever possible, to use “Nazi genocide” or similar instead.

    Consider what Professor Gottfried had to say in the link that you provided to me in a previous comment. (Every time I read something by Professor Gottfried, I find something where I am saying, “Yes, yes, exactly” and I resolve to read more of his work.)

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/yes-virginia-there-is-a-cultural-Marxism

    A final argument for retaining the term: we should not surrender any more ground to leftist shrieking and blackmail. For the last forty years, the Left has had its way semantically completely—except perhaps for the popular acceptance of the terms “politically correct” and “War Against Christmas”. We abandoned Negro for black and then for African-American; we were browbeaten into calling homosexuals “gays” and pushed into celebrating cultural-social disintegration as “diversity.”
    Why allow the “anti-fascist” enemies of freedom in Europe and America to take away the term “cultural Marxist” and force us to use in its place their own flattering description of what they like?
    If they want to reject our term for something more soothing to their ears, then that’s all the more reason to hold on to it.

  328. L.K says:
    @Marty T

    Hey, Hasbara troll, this has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population of Palestine.
    It so happens that most of them are presently Muslims though there is a significant Christian minority.
    The Palestinians, who throughout the times have practiced pagan rites, Judaism, Christianity and the Islamic faith, after the Muslim conquest, slowly converted to the new religion.
    “Israeli” Jews are, on the other hand, a bunch of very recent transplants from various European countries, the Americas, Middle East states, etc.

  329. L.K says:
    @geokat62

    Thanks for sharing, Geokat.

  330. L.K says:
    @Dissident

    Boo hoo hoo, who is afraid of holocaust revisionism? Dissident(NOT) is and he/she is quite nervous and offended that Mr.Giraldi asked the basic and obvious question:

    “In a number of European countries it is a crime to challenge the standard narrative on “the Holocaust.” Why should that be? You can in much of Europe stand in a town square and say horrible things about your own country but if you criticize the factual basis of one particular “event” that took place in the 1940s you will go to jail.”

    Plus, Mr.Giraldi even had the temerity of placing quotation marks around the words “the Holocaust” and “event”!
    The horror!! Cry me 6 trillion tears! BTW, dissidentNot, Don’t pretend to believe in free speech and free inquiry, nobody believes you! The reason the powers that be use intimidation and thought crime ‘laws’ against holo revisionism, is that, unlike your ardent religious belief that the holocau$t is a historical fact, well, it really is NOT because it is not based on any sort of hard evidence at all! In 1951 the Jew Léon Poliakov, who had been part of the French delegation at the Nuremberg trial (1945-1946), stated his conclusion that we had at our disposal an overabundance of documents for all points of the history of the Third Reich, with the exception of one point alone: the “campaign to exterminate the Jews”. For this, he wrote, “No document remains, perhaps none has ever existed” (Bréviaire de la haine, Paris, Calmann-Lévy, 1974 [1951], p. 171; English version: Harvest of Hate, New York, Holocaust Library, 1979, revised and expanded edition). Since then, nothing has changed. For instance, during an interview to the Canadian STAR, 27 December 2009, prominent Jewish holo “historian” and Auschwitz ‘expert’, Robert Jan van Pelt stated:

    “We have no material or forensic evidence to support eyewitness reports of gassings…Ninety-nine per cent of what we know we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove [then how do ‘we know’ it!?]…It has become part of our inherited knowledge.”

    Right. Professor van Pelt also admitted that the “evidence” for the mass killings of Jews at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec—where allegedly millions were murdered–is sparse at best. In reference to these three camps, he wrote: “There are few eyewitnesses, no confession that can compare to that given by [Auschwitz commandant Rudolf] Höss, no significant remains, and few archival sources.”. In fact, several holocau$t “historians”, such as American professor and professional holohoaxter, Christopher Browning, have admitted that the “confession” of Höss is quite unreliable. No surprises, the man was brutally tortured.
    Suffice it to say, I could provide many other admissions against interest by holohoax “historians”. To make matters worse for the holo religion, there is abundant evidence which shows the official narrative to be false. Thus the need for intimidation and holohoax legislation. Truth needs none of that.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  331. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Keith says.

    “Starvation is the easiest method – human beings die within a few days if cut off from water.”

    Whether you know it or not, you are unwittingly providing circumstantial evidence in support
    0f Holocaust Revisionism.

    Why?

    Today, the “NAZI genocide” has been portrayed as a efficient killing machine. So efficient, the Holocaust scholars considered the NAZI killing methods “Industrialized Mass Murder”. The NAZIs killed 6 million Jews in record time.

    During the war, Germany was the most technologically advanced country in the world. Their technology made it possible for man kind to go to the moon and explore mars.

    The people in the Shoah business want us to believe the NAZIs, in their desire to kill every Jew they could get their hands on, corralled the Jews, transported them hundred of miles to death camps, camps that provided shelter with heat, food and water, gave them haircuts, tattooed them for identification, and provided prison uniforms before killing them.

    Common sense: wouldn’t it have been a lot easier, less expensive, to starve the Jews where they were corralled? Wasn’t this arduous task diverting a great deal of war resources from the German military?

    Boy… these Germans were unbelievably dumb.

    Now you know why the Jews have worked tireless to get countries to criminalize Holocaust Revisionism.

    Since the 1800s, up to 1940, the Jews have claimed numerous times that 6 million Jews were exterminated. The extermination mythology started in Russia. The Jews claim the Czarist government of Russia were exterminating the Jews. This is where the magic 6 million figure started.

    The first Holocaust handbook exposes the Magic Number 6 million that keeps on giving.

    But why? Israel

    https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=15

    Are you familiar with the story of the “boy who cried wolf”?

    After a while, people stop believing in the Jewish Holocaust.,

    This is why we are living in the “Last days of the big lie”.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Talha
    , @L.K
  332. iffen says:
    @Anon

    to starve the Jews where they were corralled?

    They did starve most of them, that is why they had to keep fueling the incinerators, there wasn’t enough fat in the bodies to keep the fire going.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Anon
  333. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Hey Keith(?),

    Common sense: wouldn’t it have been a lot easier, less expensive, to starve the Jews where they were corralled?

    Yes it would have. It would have also been more efficient to death march them across the hundreds of miles like the Ottomans did with the Armenians. Then you only have the survivors to deal with. I mean, it’s pretty sick to think things out (may God forgive me), but if it is a matter of resources, killing human beings is fairly inexpensive if you don’t care how they die.

    The only hypothetical reasons I can think of to do otherwise is that; a) they had other plans but went with a different plan as the war progressed, b) they actually cared for being more humane in the killing (a bit like dog pounds) due to them being a more civilized nation, c) they wanted to make sure they had the right people versus others.

    Again – as I’ve stated, whether the number goes up or down – let the researchers hash this out without legal penalties.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @geokat62
  334. iffen says:
    @Talha

    due to them being a more civilized nation

    Germans more civilized than Turks.

    Are you allowed to say that?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anon
  335. Incitatus says:
    @L.K

    L.K,

    “…Christopher Browning, have admitted that the “confession” of Höss is quite unreliable. No surprises, the man was brutally tortured.”

    You’ve read Höß and Browning? Wunderschöne!

    Kindly cite Browning’s indictment of Höß testimony (with full context please). I must have missed it (always possible). Evidence of Rudolf being “brutally tortured” would be equally appreciated (three independent sources please – don’t bother with Wally).

    “Professor van Pelt also admitted that the “evidence” for the mass killings of Jews at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec—where allegedly millions were murdered–is sparse at best.”

    Sourced attributions (with context) please.

    I’m sure you’ve not underestimated Nazi ability to conceal crimes and destroy evidence. Why would they? OK. Maybe it would mean their necks (given widely broadcast Allied warnings of punishment for mass killing). But of course they’d let it all hang out! That’s why Rudolf Höß pretended to be in the navy with zweite führer Dönitze’s blessing. Go figure! Nothing to see here, move on!

    I’m counting on you L.K. Can’t tell you how momentous this is. I’ve taken it to heart and eagerly await your evidence. Can’t wait to get my brown shirt out of mothballs. Don’t disappoint me!

    To be honest, I was beginning to doubt evolution. Sea born creatures were supposed to sprout legs and walk on land. Alas, L.K, notwithstanding superior “ethnicities”, you seemed ample proof some reptiles are destined to remain trapped in primal soup. I am so relieved!

    Don’t disappoint me!

  336. Incitatus says:
    @Dissident

    Hello Dissident,

    Interesting questions, indeed. All valid.

    With others, I await Mr. Giraldi’s response.

    Kudos.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
    , @Dissident
  337. geokat62 says:
    @Talha

    … like the Ottomans did with the Armenians.

    Should be “… like the Ottomans did with the Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians.”

    • Replies: @Talha
  338. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    I was talking about their own self-reflection/justification. Like the way we don’t torture people – we’re too civilized for that apparently. We just take them across the border to another government that will. Civilized people kill and torture differently than uncivilized people.

    That way we can still sit back and have a nice dinner with the family and not even have to change our gloves when we’re asked to pass the cheese and crackers.

    I should have used ‘civilized’ to make my intent more understandable- que sera, sera.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  339. Talha says:
    @geokat62

    Hi Geo,

    I was specifying the death marches – I don’t remember that being done with the others I’ve read about. I could be wrong. The Turks killing members of those other communities – for sure.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  340. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    My moniker is iffen and I like wrestling with pigs. I might like it more than the pigs do. There, I said it, not proud of it, just the way it is.

    Hat’s off. Don’t get too dirty. Love the Shaw quote.

  341. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    Don’t hold your breath.

    I raised some of the same topics at comment #243.

    Maybe geo, who “loves” PG, will take a shot at Dissident’s and Incitatus’s questions.

    Then maybe not, he is big on questions and small on answers.

  342. Seraphim says:
    @Talha

    I am not too much inclined to believe everything that comes from the Hindutva propaganda factories (which come out with the figure of 600 million!), but the generally accurate Wikipedia compiled a list of massacres in India:
    @https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_India
    I am afraid that I have no time to go through your archive, so it would be great if you can provide me with at least one of your ‘debunking’ stuff.

    • Replies: @Talha
  343. geokat62 says:
    @Talha

    I don’t remember that being done with the others I’ve read about.

    Hey, Talha.

    Plenty of evidence that this diabolical privilege was extended to others. Here’s just a couple of references:

    1. As a consequence of the deliberate and systematic policy of “Turkey for the Turks,” approximately 2.5 million Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks were murdered or were victims of the “white death.” This term was used to describe all deaths that resulted from lack of food, disease, and exposure to the elements during the deportations and death marches.

    http://hellenicresearchcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Flyer.pdf

    2. It was instigated by the government of the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish national movement against the indigenous Greek population of the Empire and it included massacres, forced deportations involving death marches, summary expulsions, arbitrary execution, and the destruction of Christian Orthodox cultural, historical, and religious monuments.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

    • Replies: @Talha
  344. geokat62 says:

    Maybe geo, who “loves” PG, will take a shot at Dissident’s and Incitatus’s questions.

    Then maybe not, he is big on questions and small on answers.

    I have plenty of answers. But before I engage with you ever again in the future, I expect a full retraction of the “pellets” remark.

    • Replies: @iffen
  345. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    I expect a full retraction of the “pellets” remark.

    Okay. I retract my pellets remark. I did not mean to imply that you did not have the jewels required to step up and perform the rubber boot jobs.

    Why is pellets in quotes?

  346. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Civilized people kill and torture differently than uncivilized people.

    Depends upon what you mean by torture.

    Civilized people kill you because of what you think. Uncivilized people kill you because of your tribe, your language, your color, your religion, etc.

    Which is why the Nazi killing of the Jews and others was uncivilized.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Vires
    , @Dissident
  347. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Keith Says:

    ” are you allowed to say that”

    You have to get permission from the Jews. The tribe that committed the first genocide recorded in the Bible. They claim the orders came from their God.

    ” Kill every man, women, children and beast” Joshua was just following orders. Everthing that moved in Jericho was massacred.

    They now claim they have a legitimate right to the land of Palestine. They stole the land thousands of years ago from the Canaanites, and are now again genociding the indigenous people, who are and have been living on their (Jewish) promised land.

    Please stop asking stupid questions.

    If the answers in favor of the Turks, then why are the Jews immigrating to the less civilized Germany?

    The short answer: The Germans are not the master race, but they have a superior culture that is very civilized and is now considered to be the most desired place to live.

    Millions of displaced people around the world are trekking through Europe to get to Germany.

    Iffen… please don’t make Aliyah to Germany. The Germans learned their lesson.

  348. L.K says:
    @iffen

    iffen-iffen: “They did starve most of them, that is why they had to keep fueling the incinerators, there wasn’t enough fat in the bodies to keep the fire going.”

    pffffhahaHAHAHAHAHAhaha…
    Jesus, thanks for the big laugh!
    You must be the biggest fucking Idiot posting at Unz!!
    P.S. I’m still laughing…
    :-)

  349. L.K says:
    @Anon

    Hey Anon,
    That’s right! The thing is, when you really start looking at the holohoax fraud, I mean the official narrative, it has more holes in it than your avg Hollywood movie script… it’s really that bad!!

  350. Vires says:
    @Dissident

    Your attempt to frame Mr. Giraldi as a Nazi Holocaust denier is clear as daylight and pathetic.

    It therefore seems to me you are just a poor hungry and incompetent PR shill-billy – but I’ll bite.

    The real issue is, why is it a crime to dispute certain aspects of the Holocaust in several countries?

    Are you aware certain aspects of your sacred and “infallible” Holocaust have been officially refuted?

    1.- Soap and lamp shades made of Jews atrocity propaganda drivel

    2.- The “4.1 million Jews murdered here in Auschwitz by the Germans” atrocity propaganda nonsense, quietly downgraded to 960k

    3.- The Auschwitz, Dachau and Madjanek mock gas chambers shown to tourists (the ones with swinging doors, toilet marks and water drains on the floor, ample glass windows to allow victims to see the daylight and fields one last time and no cyanide residues on walls) have been quietly downgraded from “the irrefutable evidence” of the systematic and industrial most evil genocide in the history of mankind to a “post war reconstruction” of the real ones and “Gas chambers disguised as showers!… never used as gas chambers” – the real gas chambers and all documentation related conveniently “disintegrated” by those astute Germans to avoid “conviction” at the end of the war (sic)

    Poor bastards little did they know how effective rubber hoses were (still are) to “prove” war crimes at the time presumably.

    Now did the US and allies commit a systematic genocide of ethnic Germans and Japanese in WWII, bombing German and Japanese cities? (yes!)

    Why won’t you go to jail for questioning aspects of the German and Japanese genocide by the Allies in Germany and Japan in WWII, or even Chinese and Russian genocide by the Japanese…
    but you will if you dare to publicly question aspects of the Jewish genocide by the Germans?

    The “infallibility” of the narrative is irrelevant, we are humans and we make mistakes. Exaggerating or miscalculating by 3.1 million the count of exterminated victims in Auschwitz can happen. Believing lamp shades and soap were made of Jews and other atrocity propaganda rumours spread by the Soviets is quite human. Discovering in the 90s that the gas chambers were reconstructed because the real ones were “disintegrated” can happen and is understandable. Even fabricating evidence and reconstructing gas chambers is understandable. The world had to know about German crimes, even after they managed to disintegrate all evidence. Evidence had to be “reconstructed”. We are not perfect and did our best.

    But you have to expect also that being humans, with so many “inaccuracies” a number of people is not going to believe the narrative 100% anymore.

    Going to jail for that – publicly doubting certain aspects of said narrative – is outrageous and is the point Mr. Giraldi is making. Though I suspect you already got that Dissi.

  351. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Keith says:

    “civilized people kill because of what you think. Uncivilized people kill you because of your tribe, your color, your religion, etc.

    “NAZIs killing of the Jews and others was uncivilized. ”

    Iffen.. You must be joking.

    It obvious you don’t have any knowledge of the history of German Jews.

    There is a reason why before WW2, most of the Jewish world spoke Yiddish and considered it a Jewish language.

    The Germans permitted the Jews from Russia, who were running from Cossack pogroms to settle in Germany.

    Over time, the German Jews became the most successful Jews in the world. Yiddish is a form of German.

    The Jewish religious minority could have never achieve so much success if the host nation’s people (Germans) chose to discriminate against them because of their religion.

    Do you really believed the Germans hated the Jews because they get circumcised, separate their food on different dinner plates, pray to a different God and celebrated different holidays.

    At no time in history was there such a divide in cultures which existed in Germany between German and Jews.

    The conflict was not religious. It was economic, political and cultural. Just like in America, the U.K. and France today.

    The Germans didn’t like Jews because of their negative influence on Germany …economically, politically and culturally.

    Especially culturally.

    Watch the movie ” Babylon Berlin before Hitler”

    Does this fall into your acceptable civilized reasons for killing people?

    Why are Jews killing Palestinians? Civilized or uncivilized?

  352. Talha says:
    @geokat62

    Hey Geo,

    Thanks for the updates – always learning new things – even if I’d rather not. I had hoped they had not involved others in that madness! Another reason I abhor ethno-nationalism.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  353. Dissident says:
    @iffen

    I assumed that anyone with the slightest interest in the Decline and Fall of Pax Americana would know by heart the dialogue of The Big Lebowski.

    Thanks for explaining. My familiarity with both movies as well as TV shows is extremely limited. I know very little of anything produced past the 80′s.

  354. geokat62 says:
    @Talha

    No problem, Talha.

    btw – I forgot to mention a book I read many years ago that provided a first-hand account of the death marches. It is called Not Even My Name. Here is a brief description of it:

    Not Even My Name is the unforgettable story of Sano Halo’s survival of the death march at age 10 that annihilated her family as told to her daughter, Thea and the poignant mother/ daughter pilgrimage to Turkey in search of Sano’s home 70 years after her exile. Sano, a Pontic Greek from a mountain village near the Black Sea, also recounts her ancient, pastoral way of life in the Pontic Mountians.

    The dreadful realization that something was amiss came little by little to Sano’s village. Strangers began to inhabit the fields and forests, always watching from a distance like birds of prey. Turkish soldiers made periodic raids to seize men for slave labor in foul, lice-infested labor camps, where most died of disease, malnutrition and exposure. Then in the spring of 1920, Turkish soldiers pounded on doors with the butts of their rifles and shouted General Mustafa Kemal’s (Ataturk) proclamation: “You are to leave this place. You are to take with you only what you can carry ” On their death march, victims lay where they fell and buzzards hung above their heads. So ended the 3,000 year history of the Pontic Greeks in Turkey.

    Stripped of everything she had ever held dear, even her name, at age 15 Sano was sold into marriage to a man who brought her to America. He was three times her age.

    http://www.notevenmyname.com

  355. Vires says:
    @iffen

    Civilized people kill you because of what you think.

    That be quite stoopid and remarkable statement Iffy!

    So “civilized” people kill other people because of what they think?

    Do you realise that is how a “civilized” and righteous Jew wrestling pigs became a “kosher” pig himself?

    Do you hear that Iffy?

    Is the little Nazi inside you screaming to go out!

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  356. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Vires

    Keith says:

    Vires…. thank you.

    This was iffen’s way of saying civilized people kill Holocaust revisionists.

    Will the real NAZIs stand up.

  357. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Vires

    Keith says:

    Vires…. thank you.

    This was iffen’s way of saying civilized Jews can kill Holocaust revisionists.

    Since the criminialization of the truth isn’t working, and we are living in the last days of the big lie, the poor victimized Jews, now want to kill people for thought crimes.

    Will the real NAZIs stand up.

    Notice Iffen didn’t answer my question:

    Iffen … is it civilized or uncivilized for Jews to kill Palestinians?

    History has taught us a good lessen. If you control the media, like the Zionists do, you can make killing others justified, acceptable and civilized.

  358. Talha says:
    @Seraphim

    Hey Seraphim,

    No problem, here you go, good sir:

    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-islamic-terror-americas-future/#comment-1461037

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/the-sun-people-tsunami-and-the-inevitability-of-lifeboat-ethics/#comment-1703074

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israel-wins-in-november/#comment-1571821

    As necrometrics (I very much respect this site on these kinds of numbers) puts it:
    “…keep in mind that during the really nasty years of the conquest, the chronicles claim that Muslims were killing 100,000 infidels per year, so maintaining that frenzied and exhausting pace over the full 700 years of the Conquest would have killed only 70 million Hindus in total. If the invaders killed 80 million, this means they were killing more Hindus in the quiet years than they did in the violent years. Unlikely.”

    http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm#MusConInd

    I tend to side with his estimate of between 10-15 million. I will say though that if the Tamerlane and his Timurid successors had gone further south of the Gangetic plain into the heart of India – and given the high population density – I would easily revise my numbers to 30 million.

    As far as wikipedia, I don’t link to it unless I myself know the info is reliable. I don’t need to do this for something like the ‘mating habits of echindas’ or ‘population of Perth’ – but politically contentious topics are generally to be avoided on wikipedia. If you look at the links to the references for the numbers you will see a few things:
    1) Some are from self-published works which don’t cite anything but themselves
    2) Includes stuff like the Thuggees who were simply roving bands of criminals (Hindu, Muslim or other) – what the hell???
    3) Some of the sources cited are actually pointing out the number, not as a fact, but as an example of propaganda – one citation looks to be a work of fiction
    4) Also does not mention role of plenty of Hindus within the ruling hierarchy of both Mughals and even the Ghaznavids:
    “Aurangzeb has often been accused of closing the doors of official employment on the Hindus, but a study of the list of his officers shows this is not so. Actually there were more Hindu officers under him than under any other Mughal emperor…That Aurangzeb’s religious policy was unpopular at the time is true, but that it was an important factor, as usually charged, in the downfall of the empire, is doubtful. The Hindu uprisings of his reign seem to have had no wide religious appeal, and they were suppressed with the help of Hindu leaders.”

    http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/ikram/part2_15.html#religious

    Whoever edited that is hoping you do not click through to the sources – pretty shoddy work.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  359. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus

    Hi Incitatus, Iffen et al

    Missed a few sparky days I see :-)

    (Miami draws me for a week or so) .

    I await as well – eagerly – for Phil Giraldi’s answers.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Incitatus
  360. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    (Miami draws me for a week or so) .

    I thought most 3rd world cities had reasonably good internet connections these days. :)

    I am glad that you are back. I would like to get your opinion on something that has unsettled me.

    If you look at PG’s articles at TAC, there is high quality analysis and insight, just like here, but all the Jew jabs are missing.

    One of the Jew-hating regulars here says that the editors at TAC won’t allow it, which makes sense.

    My question is this: The man is obviously bright and knowledgeable. Does he write the TAC articles first and then add the Jew-jabs for Unz or does he write the Unz material complete with the Jew-spiracy stuff and then excise it for TAC? Why does he do that? It’s not like this little raggedy band of 88s is going to lead some sort of political upheaval. Why wouldn’t you present your arguments to a broader audience that understands hawks and warmongers and might be sympathetic at some point. Why would you tie yourself to Jew-mongering? That is, if you really wanted political change?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Dissident
    , @Anon
  361. Gringo says:
    @jconsley

    And to punish Fulbright for daring to draw attention to the theft of billions a year by Israel and American Jews they destroyed him in the next election.

  362. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    My question is this: The man is obviously bright and knowledgeable. Does he write the TAC articles first and then add the Jew-jabs for Unz or does he write the Unz material complete with the Jew-spiracy stuff and then excise it for TAC?

    Hi Iffen,

    Internet here appears to be working.

    I must say having read through several threads I find myself perplexed at the attitudes assumed by a few here. Although, one shouldn’t be. Anti-Semitism is a festering old affliction not to be eradicated quite just yet. Progress nevertheless amongst the younger set, which appears solidly opposed to the bigotry; and they are the ones which matter don’t they?

    The 88s here are a mostly bedraggled lot, stragglers from an older generation, who find themselves swimming against the tide, howling for attention they never found even in the heady days of yore. So yes, this is a gathering ground for these types.

    To answer your question regarding PG, I am ready to cast my opinion. I’d say the ink spilled here represents a closer version of his unvarnished feelings than the sanitised versions appearing elsewhere. For the reason you mention: 88s here are an inconsequential lot.

    If I am proven wrong, I shall apologise without reservations. But I need to be proven wrong.

    Incidentally, I see that reptile L.K. gets the drumming he usually does at the hands of Incitatus, but comes back for more.

    And we have this strange blighter writing under ‘Anon’ while declaring “Keith says” as well. I think I know why. His sock-puppetry has hit a limit under Ron’s rules.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
    , @iffen
  363. Seraphim says:
    @Talha

    Ah, this is a relief! There were only 10 million. And there were the Hindu “collabos” who did it. Islam brought only ‘peace’ (some people say that ‘Islam’ means ‘peace’, right?)

    “Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant (To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace)” Tacitus, De vita et moribus Iulii Agricolae, c. 30.

    Peace?

    • Replies: @Talha
  364. Dissident says:
    @iffen

    Civilized people kill you because of what you think.

    Huh?! I am not sure what to make of that statement. Could you have meant it literally and seriously, to be taken as it sounds?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  365. Sam Shama says:
    @Dissident

    also to Iffen

    Fairly certain it was meant to be a sarcastic indictment of the world in which we live, not the one ideals suggest.

    Meanwhile this Tomahawk missile attack on Syria has robbed my speech!!

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Dissident
  366. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    this Tomahawk missile attack on Syria has robbed my speech!!

    Speak loudly, carry a big stick.

    a sarcastic indictment of the world

    Am I mistaken in my belief that since the Enlightenment, it has been considered in bad taste to kill people solely based upon their race, religion, etc? The Bolsheviks killed people for deviating from the orthodox political line. We killed Vietnamese , not because of their ethnicity, but because they wouldn’t believe in “democracy” and put it into practice.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  367. Talha says:
    @Seraphim

    Hey Seraphim,

    Islam and salaam come from the same tri-letter root (سلم) so they are related. But Islam means ‘submission’, to the will of God. By submitting, one finds peace:
    “Those who believe, and whose hearts find satisfaction in the remembrance of god: for without doubt, in the remembrance of God is the contentment for the hearts.” (13:28)

    This submission is not only on the prayer mat, but also on the battlefield. One must submit to the regulations ordained by God in the midst of battle. Many Muslim sovereigns and armies obviously fell short of this yardstick. As history records, Christianity was also at a loss to prevent certain sovereigns and armies from similar bloody feats. Those whose purpose is the material world pay lip service to religion, but their conduct betrays them. Many of our emperors had to climb to power over the dead bodies of their siblings and sometimes parents. Sovereignty over others will be a source of humiliation and punishment for many on the Day of Judgement save for a few.

    Emperor Aurangzeb said on his deathbed; “I have sinned greatly, I do not know what punishment awaits me.”

    Our military conduct is codified by that of the Rashidun – they were our exemplars and all others are judged by their practice.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  368. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Am I mistaken in my belief that since the Enlightenment, it has been considered in bad taste to kill people solely based upon their race, religion, etc? The Bolsheviks killed people for deviating from the orthodox political line. We killed Vietnamese , not because of their ethnicity, but because they wouldn’t believe in “democracy” and put it into practice.

    Perhaps you are right. Humans have this strange ability to fool the inner voices, of ideals and reason, while turning to ideology, even as it, or, especially as it, obeys the calls of war!

    “Speak loudly, carry a big stick” – well those are words of a day long gone. I truly believed Trump was a non-interventionist. I cannot make sense of Bannon’s dismissal and the escalation in Syria rapidly thereafter. The Sarin gas attack (by Assad??!! wtf for?) has confused me to a degree I cannot reconcile.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  369. Dissident says:
    @Incitatus

    Hello Incitatus,

    I am pleased to meet you and I thank you for your kind words. I am glad you appreciated my questions for Mr. Giraldi. Reading the hostile replies that were made in response to my comment, I would have thought those who wrote them were responding to something entirely different than anything that I had actually written. (“Your attempt to frame Mr. Giraldi as a Nazi Holocaust denier…”) {sigh}{rolls eyes} I see little point in responding to attacks of that nature. If anyone, after reading my comment, found the attacks on it credible, then it is nearly impossible for me to imagine that there is anything that I or anyone else could write that would convince such a person otherwise. I am confident, however, that for anyone reasonable who had read my comment, no such response would be necessary, as the absurdity of the attacks would immediately be glaringly obvious. A case of odder darft nisht, odder helft nisht, as (((we))) would say.

    I had a look at your comment history page and I must say that I was impressed with what I read. Like a number of other commenters who have caught my attention here, you come across as an intelligent, conscientious, well-read, witty individual. One who has demonstrated a notable degree of independent and critical thought. There is silver, gold and sometimes even pure platinum to be found here at Unz, no question. The problem, of course, is all the dross, mud and worse that one must sift through in order to find and benefit from the valuable content.

    In calling this situation tragic, I do not think I am indulging in melodrama or hyperbole. It is not the commenters, deplorable (truly) as some of them are, that worry and trouble me most here. It is, by far, the presence of at least one of the featured authors, that one being none other than Israel Shamir. Admittedly, I have read very little from this individual but what I have read still has me reeling: Reviving blood libels. Seriously? Although obviously at a higher intellectual level, Shamir reminds me of that rabid character “Brother Nathaniel” who posts his incoherent, foaming ravings on YouTube. Now, the term “self-hating Jew” may be overused, perhaps often tendentiously so but in this case, it is difficult to imagine anyone sane and reasonable disputing its suitability for the aforementioned two individuals (assuming, in the case of Shamir, that he was, in fact, born a Jew. I saw a comment from someone claiming that Shamir’s claim of being born a Jew is merely part of a false persona that he crafted for himself.) Do the responsible, reasonable featured writers here not realize how damaging the presence of someone such as Shamir is to the views they represent and those who hold them? Do the responsible and reasonable writers even know that their work is appearing alongside that of the likes of Shamir? I want to be able to send people here but how can I when they are likely to encounter something like that?

    [MORE]

    I am sorry about the loss of your parents and, especially, the difficulty that you described of their last days. I lost my father nearly eighteen months ago and miss him greatly. A secular Jew, my father was an ardent Zionist throughout his life. Initially embracing with ardor the Zionism I was raised with, it gradually became less important to me as my religious interest and observance (Judaic) increased. Eventually, I came to completely reject the former on theological grounds. I later came to have additional problems with Zionism and the State of Israel.

    I’m sure all the regulars here will be familiar with the Camp David Summit in 2000, the event in which Bill Clinton (ostensibly, at least) tried but ultimately failed to broker a peace agreement between Yasser Arafat and then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. During that event (at least, I’m pretty sure that was the one but if not, it was a previous, similar attempt during the Clinton Presidency), as the world anxiously awaited news of the outcome of the ongoing negotiations, my father told me something that left a deep and lasting impression on me. “What the Palestinians are asking for is not unreasonable.”, declared my father. He then added, “Believe me, if we were Palestinians, we would want no less.” My father, you will remember, was an ardent Zionist.

    I hope I haven’t bored you but in case I have, you’ll no doubt be relieved to hear that I must be going. Before I leave, however, one last thing, which will allow me to end on a lighter note.

    I enjoyed the facetious reference that I found in one of your past comments to the infamous Uriah Heep. Heep, the ever-so-very “humble” character from Dickens’ David Copperfield, was the type of character that the late Bob Grant, a true icon of talk radio from the days when it was still an art form, would have called a “fake, phony fraud” (or a “fake, phony, two-bit fraud”.) I’ve become a great fan of Dickens, having listened to mp3 recordings of several of his novels being masterfully read by volunteers thanks to the wonderful Librivox(.org) project. For the versions of David Copperfield, as well as Oliver Twist that I listened-to, the reader was a British gentleman named Tadg Hynes. Hynes was quite good. In his own right, perhaps even excellent. But the absolute greatest, of the Dickens readers I’ve heard so far, has to be Mil Nicholson. A British actress currently living in the U.S., Nicholson was the reader for the versions of Oliver Twist and Nicholas Nickleby that I listened-to. And she was nothing short of superb. Magnificent. I would urge anyone who appreciates Dickens to search for her recordings of his works and sample one. All Librivox recordings are in the Public Domain and available to stream or download free-of-charge. (Of course, nothing is actually free, so anyone who benefits from the project and is in a position to donate money or volunteer to read or perhaps in some other way, would do well to do one or more of those.)

    Well, I’ve got to run. Take care and I hope we will meet again before long. Note that with Passover rapidly approaching, I may not be around over the next few days*. And in general, I can often get delayed, at times excessively so, in keeping-up with/ responding-to comments. That, combined with the fact that writing can be difficult and inordinately time-consuming for me, means that it should never be assumed that I am deliberately ignoring someone, or even that I didn’t see and read a response, simply because I have not responded to it.

    Best,

    Dissident

    *I would throw in a sarcastic remark here about what the estimable Israel Shamir might claim was the “real” reason for my anticipated imminent absence but I fear that someone might take it out context.

  370. Dissident says:
    @iffen

    Something else I wondered:

    Bishara dismisses him as “Israel’s puppy.” As I am extremely fond of dogs, I would modify that to read “Israel and now AIPAC’s butt boy.”

    Do you think the term “butt boy” would appear in any of work of Giraldi’s that would appear in a mainstream outlet? I don’t know.

    • Replies: @iffen
  371. Dissident says:
    @Dissident

    CORRECTION:

    Nicholson was the reader for the versions of Oliver Twist and Nicholas Nickleby that I listened-to

    Mil Nicholson was not the reader for the Librivox version of Oliver Twist that I listened-to. That was Tadg Hynes, as I stated just prior to the above quote. My subsequently stating it was Nicholson, as I did above, was an error.

    Mil Nicholson was the reader for the Librivox recording of The Life and Adventures of Nicholas Nickleby that I listened-to. That part from the quote was and remains correct.

    I wouldn’t want anyone to have searched in vain for a Nicholson reading of Oliver Twist on account of my error. To be clear, I do not know for a fact that Nicholson never recorded a reading of Twist but I am not aware of one.

  372. Dissident says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hello and thank you. I am learning that iffen has a style that can be somewhat cryptic, employs sarcasm, etc. Basically, that his comments cannot always be taken at face value.

  373. Talha says:
    @Dissident

    Hey Dissident,

    Lot’s to think on – thanks!

    One question; when you became more religious and turned anti-Zionist, was it through a particular group or rabbi? Or just on your own research?

    Just curious because whenever we have Muslim conventions, the Neturi Karta folks always set up a booth. Very jovial guys – always handing out (kosher) candy.

    Peace.

  374. Dissident says:
    @Sam Shama

    I truly believed Trump was a non-interventionist.

    I have been conflicted about the President all along, from the time he announced his candidacy through the present. To the extent that I felt I could be sure about anything about Trump, it was that there was little, if anything, that one could be sure about with him; that he was a total wild card and all bets were off. My rationale for voting for him was to a large degree articulated in a piece called “The Flight 93 Election” that I learned of from John Derbyshire citing it on Radio Derb. Basically, with Hillary it was a near-certainty that she would be bad. Very bad. Trump may not prove to be any better but the odds that he would be any worse seemed quite low and there was at least a fair chance that he would be at least somewhat better than Hillary. Perhaps even much better. So might as well as roll the dice and take our chances with Trump.

    As dissatisfied as I may be with the President at this point, for any number of reasons, it remains difficult to imagine that the alternative, H. (Rodham-)Clinton, would have been any worse. And nearly impossible to imagine that she would have been any better. I emphasized ‘dissatisfied’ as opposed to disappointed because I haven’t seen anything from the President yet that is any worse than anything that I had anticipated all along as being entirely plausible, should he become President.

    From the President’s statements and any other indications during the campaign, it never seemed to me that he was anywhere near as strong on foreign policy (from a non-interventionist perspective) as he was on immigration and trade.

    As for promoting Kushner at the expense of Bannon, whatever else can be said about that, it worries me greatly as a Jew. I cannot see how that move alone did not already cause much resentment toward Jews. Additionally, I am extremely uncomfortable with Kushner (as well as his wife, Ivanka) for at least several reasons, so I am not at all happy or sanguine about him gaining power and prominence, much less at the expense of Bannon. It is not at all clear to me how much any of what we are seeing actually reflects decisions on the part of the President vs. how much he is being manipulated by various players and powers pulling strings behind the curtain. I have little doubt but that a solidly and perhaps even /overwhelming/ majority of Americans, including and probably /especially/ those who voted for the President, do not want any more of these endless wars and entanglements. If only we could somehow organize and unify to influence the President.

    With the hopes that saner (or perhaps simply less evil) heads with ultimately prevail, I will wish you a (((Gut Shabbos and a kosher un freilechen Yom Tov))),

    Kol tuv,

    Dissident

  375. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Keith Says:

    “It’s not like this raggedy band of 88s is going to lead some sort of political upheaval”.

    The last time the Jews thought a raggedy band of patriotic countrymen wouldn’t lead some sort of upheaval, they were blinded, just like you by their hubris. If you recall, it didn’t turn out so well for them.

    All patriotic Americans need is a catalyzing event, such as proof Israel did 911 and that the Zio media covered it up.

    Start getting nervous. We know about the dancing Israelis in New Jersey and Larry Silverstein’s order to pull World Trade Center tower 7.

    Why would anyone tie themself to Jew -mongering if they really want political change.

    The short answer: There is no political, economic, cultural change unless we take Zionists Jews out of power.

    Just like you don’t have to be Jewish to be Zionists. One doesn’t have to be a bigoted 88 to be an AntiZionists.

    It is JUST POLITICS!

    Stop using the Jewish trick by calling everyone who challenges Zionist power, NAZIs.

  376. Incitatus says:
    @Dissident

    Hello Dissident,

    The pleasure is mine.

    I was impressed with the honest demeanor of your posts and (unfortunately) not surprised by the responses. Nor, sadly, Mr. Giraldi’s silence. I sometimes fancy he’s still working for the CIA or DARPA writing pieces to help surface extremists. One can only hope. And meantime deal with what’s said. Which, as you point out, is bad enough.

    Unz revisionists? Think of it as Planet Germania. On this imaginary planet FDR and Churchill (deep in the pocket of Jews, the Deep State, or Whoever comes to mind) launched WW2 (facts, chronology and events notwithstanding). The Shoah never happened. Nazis were the victims. Most usually trace events back to WW1 and insist it was the same story (note Unz’s ‘A War to End All Peace’ – those poor invading Huns).

    WW1 Germany tragically lost 800k from the blockade – about the same percentage of civilians killed in neutral Belgium (1.16%). But, of course no mention or tears for the Belgians. The death sweepstakes was won by Serbia (17.78% civilians, and a whopping 27.78% of the total population!). No tears for them. All for Habsburg pride and incompetence. Aided, of course by Wilhelmine militarism (no less incompetent). And all of it, for the aggressor, criminal. Sorry, Planet Germania.

    Current events. Few (if any) bother to survey the daily news in Israel. There’s more controversy there that ever makes headlines here. As you point out, many Orthodox are critical of Zionism, which make Giraldi’s photo a ridiculous taunt. Or worse. Following Tikkun (love or hate it) is an easy education in the wide array of views in the domestic Jewish community. Like everyone else, each thinks for himself. Welcome to earth.

    I eschew generalities that demean individual responsibility. In the end, whatever one’s belief, we are all accountable for our action and inaction. Known and unknown. The reward is here and now – the feeling of doing the right thing. That’s enough. The rest will take care of itself.

    I’m sorry for the loss of your father. I understand your regret (there’s not a day I don’t think of mine). Yes, we had differences. What is more normal? I would change nothing.

    Zionism. The temporal versus the sacred. Does earthly power pollute faith in the divine? I don’t know. This may sound crazy, but I loved Stone’s ‘Agony and Ecstasy.’ OK. Michelangelo is a captivating subject. But the moral dilemma of Julius II – manifesting God’s power on earth re-conquering the Papal States – underlied the human tapestry. Not the first contradiction in sacred behavior, and, no doubt, not the last.

    Unz can be a walk on the wild side. Don’t understand much of it. Don’t really follow Israel Shamir (will give him a look). As for Giraldi and his recurrent twilight-zone attraction to Jews and Israel, I hope it’s not genuine. But thanks for mentioning the elephant in the room.

    On to better things. Dickens? The best! Who couldn’t love ‘umble’ Uriah Heep? To be honest, Pip and Miss Havisham are my favorites. Something about unforeseen expectations (winning a lottery?) and long stale wedding dresses? I probably merit therapy, but there it is. Balzac and Zola are on the same plane. Flaubert and Hugo not far behind. I reread each every few years. What a wonderful legacy!

    Stay well, Dissident

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  377. Incitatus says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hello Sam and welcome back!

    As Iffen suggests regarding Mr.Giraldi’s long-awaited response to Dissident, I’m not holding my breath. But, there we all are.

    Iffen, I’ve not read all the relevant posts by any means. But I doubt Geo would have worked for IG Farben or the SS. Just my opinion. Shower off the mud. You’ll feel better.

    • Replies: @iffen
  378. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    But I doubt Geo would have worked for IG Farben or the SS.

    I don’t know. I don’t know about myself. Knowledgeable people who know about such things tell us that we can’t know until it is real and we are confronted with the choices. Even then we may stand tall many days only to finally run away.

    Geo is permanently peeved at me for tossing him into the 88 bin early on. An error on my part it seems. I retracted, but he still wants me to appear in sackcloth and ashes every so often and beg forgiveness. He never trusted me in my comments and I returned the favor, not a lot to talk about in that situation.

    I frequently find myself guilty of faults that I complain about in other people. Is that just me or does it happen to others?

  379. iffen says:
    @Dissident

    Do you think the term “butt boy” would appear in any of work of Giraldi’s that would appear in a mainstream outlet? I don’t know.

    Do we consider TAC mainstream? I doubt that it would pass editorial scrutiny there. Some of Unz has a bit of coarseness that off puts some. You know me, I love me some pigs and mud.

    Like I said, he tailors his writing, but that’s what writers do. I am just a commenter and I try to be forthright and consistent. I look for other commenters that are transparent and consistent and generally dismiss those that are not.

  380. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    Keith says:

    “His sock puppetry has hit a limit under Ron’s rules.”

    I will refrane from being long winded.

    “By way of deception thou shalt do war”

    Does Ron’s rules include censoring Holocaust revisionism?

    Let’s put the issue to rest. I need help from the Jewish Hasbara tag team ( Iffen … first billing, Sam the Sham the Cowboy and Incitatus the Sockpuppet).

    Can anyone of you produce any authentic
    autopsy proving Jews were murdered by Zyklon B gassing? The psychological warfare team, comprised of mostly Jews, took the time to gather and displayed evidence of German atrocities, which included shrunken Jewish heads, soap made from Jewish fat and a lamp shade made from Jewish skin, surely, they conducted numerous scientific forensic autopsies identifying the method used to murder millions of Jews at Auschwitz.

    If you can provide the cold case file forensics, I promise I will turn in my 88 membership badge and stop my support for Holocaust Revision.

    Please, I hope the Holohoax isn’t true.

  381. iffen says:
    @Dissident

    Is it correct to use the term Zionist in reference to the current situation? I made a comment earlier, perhaps Sam remembers, that I was a Zionist for many states. I think of Zionists as the early people who visualized and established the State of Israel. It seems to me that we should be talking of Israelis and differences of opinions among Israelis. I don’t think Zionist conveys much information anymore. One either accepts the fait accompli or one doesn’t. The present day foreign and domestic policies of the State of Israel doesn’t have much to do with Zionism which was the founding myth of Israel.

  382. Incitatus says:

    “I don’t know. I don’t know about myself.”

    I’ve thought at length about what I would do given German choices 1933-45. I like to think I’d have found a way to stand aside, but were there any such routes? I protested Vietnam (the war, not the vets). Did it change anything? A lot easier than seeing your country sink in a mire of self-inflicted destruction. I probably would have played it safe and kept my head. Unlike die Weiße Rose. Anything for another day. One can repent at leisure. After all, who knows what happens after you lose your head?

    “I frequently find myself guilty of faults that I complain about in other people. Is that just me or does it happen to others?”

    Happens to me all the time. I’m trying to learn to enjoy it, but I’m not quite there yet.

    Stay well iffen.

  383. @Incitatus

    I hadn’t read the article The War to End All Peace prior to reading this comment so I’m reading it now, thanks. Would you kindly point out for me that information which you consider to be false or fabricated in it? Thanks again.

  384. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Keith says:

    “The Unz revisionists. Think of it as Planet Germania”.

    Hopefully we can continue our conversation about Germany being the victim on Planet Germania in the Unz’s
    “The war to end all peace”.

    “The first casualty of war is the truth”.

    Why start with the Jewish shills FDR and Churchill?

    Let’s start with Wilson, the sinking of the Lusitania and the Balfour Declaration.

    Wasn’t Churchill the Amiral of Great Britain’s navy when the evil Germans sunk the Lusitania?

    Now we are on Planet Jewish Zionist World Disorder. No conspiracies here?

    Just read some of the comments from the Unz’s revisionists.

    This subject “The War to end all peace” is precisely why War Revisionism is so important.

    Assad gassed his own people? or just a pretext for another war pushed by the Jewish NeoCons. The same Jewish NeoCons who pushed for the Iraq war based on a lie. Pretext for war..Iraq had . weapons of mass destruction. No conspiracies here?

    The Zionist world disorder goes back to Wilson and WW1 .

    It is not a coincident the main boluvard in Tel Aviv is named the “Walter Rothschild boulvard.”

    The Rothschilds financed the Jewish Zionists World Disorder back during WW1 and the Elder of Zion, Sheldon Adelson financed Trump’s presidential candidacy and the current Jewish proxy war against Syria, and the covert wars against Iran, and Russia.

    The Jewish Zionists are putting all humanity in danger.

    Maybe this is why the age old affliction of Antisemitism is still going strong today.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  385. Seraphim says:
    @Talha

    @Our military conduct is codified by that of the Rashidun

    Exactly, forcing people into ‘submission’ through terror, massacres and plunder.

    Peace?

    • Replies: @Talha
  386. Talha says:
    @Seraphim

    Hey Seraphim,

    I don’t know why we should believe this just because you type it out. The policies of the Rashidun were exemplary for their time. Prof. David Nicolle (one of the living experts in military affairs of Late Antiquity) wrote a great short book called ‘Armies of the Muslim Conquest’, in it he describes the rules of engagement outlined by the Rashidun:
    “Muslim Laws of War are also said to date from the Rashidun Caliphs…The rules of military conduct were known as siyar and included theories of jihad, aman (safe-conduct for enemy emmissaries) and hudnah (truce). Non-combatants civilians were to be treated as neutrals. Some of the Earliest hadiths or religious quotations also dealt with warfare. The Caliph Abu Bakr declared; ‘Do not kill women and children, or an aged infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty and do not be cowardly.”

    Now this didn’t mean that there weren’t parties (as in every military conquest) that broke the official rules because; “traditional sources indicate that the first armies acted virtually independently on various fronts”. However, breaking the rules was disciplined or punished:
    “The second Caliph, Umar Ibn al-Khattab, told one of his commanders; ‘I have heard that it is a habit of some of your men to chase an unbeliever until he takes refuge in a high place. Then someone tells him in his own language not to be afraid and when he comes down, he kills him. By Allah, if I knew someone who had done that, I would strike off his head!”

    All of these quotes and more are to be found in Prof. Nicolle’s book.

    The Rashidun conquered many major Middle Eastern capitals of their day; Jerusalem, Ctesiphon, Damascus, Alexandria, etc. There is no record of pillage and slaughter – it was all done through negotiated surrender. On the battlefields though, like Yarmouk, Heliopolis, Qadissiyah, Nahawand, etc., as Prof. Mark Graham mentions, all sources agree – the Muslim armies conquered with a ‘magnificent brutality.’

    http://visionandvalues.org/docs/abused/Graham.pdf?dcdd03

    Almost always outnumbered and horribly outclassed at siege warfare, they were able to coax their enemies into foolishly engaging with them in pitched battles on the open plains (Nahawand is a classic example of the feint-retreat-then-engage maneuver). Leaving their towns without adequate garrisons and making surrender inevitable.

    Khalid ibn Walid (ra) warned his Persian general counterpart that he should surrender and negotiate terms otherwise he was bringing with him men that loved to fight and die in the path of God as much his men loved wine and women.

    Recently, the late Patricia Crone (who was an absolute expert in non-Muslim texts of that period*) refuted a preposterous claim by another historian, Prof. Fred Donner, who was positing that the earliest Muslim conquests should not be considered violent simply because they did not force people to convert. She tears apart his assumptions and makes clear what angle she is writing from:
    “Donner’s book has already been hailed in a manner showing that its thesis appeals deeply to American liberals: Here they find the nice, tolerant, and open Islam that they hanker for.”

    But has this to say (keep in mind, her contention [as is mine] is that the conquests were indeed violent – the only question is the manner):
    No scholar believes that the Muslim conquerors were out to impose their religion by force; even going back a century or more I cannot think of any who has espoused this view. Yet all scholars apart from Donner and (in a different vein) Yehuda D. Nevo and Judith Koren accept that the Muslims engaged in ‘violent conquest.’ Laymen may still need to be reminded that the Muslims were not out to impose their beliefs by force, but to present lay misconceptions as the basis of a scholarly consensus is not playing it straight.
    If all Donner means to affirm is that the Muslim conquests were relatively swift and surgical operations that left urban life, religious communities, and complex organization intact, then he is simply affirming the conventional view. But what has that got to do with ecumenicalism? The Muslims did not engage in systematic destruction of towns or religious buildings, regardless of whether they were monotheist, Zoroastrian, or (in Harran) pagan.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/42023/among-the-believers

    Thus the Byzantine and Sassanid Empires were rolled up forever – if you want to keep an empire, be prepared to defend it. Or as the Moorish King Boabdil’s mother reprimanded him when he wept at signing away Granada to the Christian forces of the Reconquista:
    “You weep like a woman for what you failed to defend like a man.”

    Concerning the Rashidun, we have nothing to apologize for.

    Peace.

    *So much so that she started something called ‘Hagarism’ which was an attempt at rewriting the earliest Muslim history exclusively through the texts of non-Muslims.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  387. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    [Not Keith]

    I haven’t noticed any perceptible antagonism towards Jews in the generation currently growing gray, and I see no signs that anti-semitism (that handy phrase) is really specifically more alien to the youngsters of today than to their parents and older brothers. And polls, though if you have them I would be interested, are not too much use here because too many other factors impinge, as for example the tendency of modern youth towards extreme conformism.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @RobinG
  388. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    and Incitatus and Dissident

    It is interesting how Jews among themselves boast about their power but if a gentile so much as suggests the same thing it is anti-Semitism.

    If you follow the link at boast, you will find this opinion piece:

    Who runs Hollywood? C’mon
    December 19, 2008|JOEL STEIN

    How can an opinion piece published in a major US newspaper be considered, “Jews boasting among themselves”? Obviously it is not.

    The entire piece is interesting, particularly the following:

    The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. The sixth, AMC President Charlie Collier, turned out to be Jewish.

    The writer, Stein, has written a paragraph that might raise eyebrows if written by a non-Jew.

    Here we get to the issue of whether non-Jewish people in the entertainment business have to be cautious about offending Jewish sensibilities. Do they?

    PG says that Jews revel in their power, but keep the celebration under wraps and just for other Jews. (Then how does he know?) They have one face for Jews and another for non-Jews. Duplicitousness personified, no?

    When we follow the link that supposedly should provide some supporting information for the accusation, we find no support. What we do find is a legitimate question concerning Jewish influence in the entertainment industry and possible adverse conditions for non-Jews who intentionally or inadvertently offend Jews in the business.

    We have made a spurious accusation and linked it to a legitimate question.

    The first part of PG’s sentence:

    It is interesting how Jews among themselves boast about their power

    The spurious unsupported accusation of boasting Jews gets the benefit of the legitimate question raised in the second part:

    but if a gentile so much as suggests the same thing it is anti-Semitism.

    He has conveniently provided us with an example of a Jewish writer who writes something that if written by a non-Jew could bring accusations of anti-Semitism.

    Look carefully at the structure of that sentence. The baseless accusation of duplicitous boasting is tied by a but to an unrelated charge of unequal application of the rules for determining whether some statement is anti-Semitic. He conveniently gives us an example to ponder. Not only that but the false charge of anti-Semitism is a legitimate question for examination, and most people know of instances where false accusations are made.

    It is a deliberate attempt to vilify Jews as boastful two-faced types by unsupported accusation that he then ties to an observation that has some validity at times and is certainly a legitimate topic of discussion and the purpose of this is to confuse what is supported in that sentence and what is not.

    I am ready to cast my opinion. I’d say the ink spilled here represents a closer version of his unvarnished feelings than the sanitised versions appearing elsewhere.

    ditto – iffen

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  389. Seraphim says:
    @Talha

    So, we have to study only Muslim sources as the non-Muslim ones are ‘biased’ and ‘islmophobic’.
    Burn them because if they do not agree with the Koran they are blasphemous, and if they do they are superfluous, like the good Calif Omar did with the Libraries of Alexandria, of Ctesiphon (don’t try to give me the Hollywood version of Bishop Theophilus burning it after the murder of Hypatia!).

    • Replies: @Talha
  390. Talha says:
    @Seraphim

    So, we have to study only Muslim sources as the non-Muslim ones are ‘biased’ and ‘islmophobic’.

    Wow…I mean – wow…

    Did you even read what I wrote – which is fine, I’ve come to understand that I should address everyone else who is watching when exchanging with you. I specifically quoted at length from an expert of contemporaneous non-Muslim texts. All the scholars who look at the subject from an academic perspective come to similar conclusions:
    “For the majority of seventh-century Syriac Christians, the most involved geoploitical changes came not with the Islamic Conquests of the 630s but from the Byzantine-Persian wars from 602 to 628, which were much more destructive than the Islamic conquests. With a few notable exceptions, during the Islamic conquests the majority of sustained military engagements took place in the countryside, minimizing civilian casualties. Most cities capitulated to Arab forces without prolonged siege. Material evidence of the Islamic conquests is minimal, and the conquests did not leave the type of destruction layers associated with much more devastating invasions. Instead, inscriptional evidence witnessed continual church occupation and even new construction throughout the period.”
    Envisioning Islam: Syriac Christians and the Early Muslim World, Univ. Pennsylvania Press

    Anyone can also come to the same conclusion by reading translations of the texts themselves in Prof. Robert Hoyland’s seminal work:

    https://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Islam-Others-Saw-Zoroastrian/dp/0878501258

    Or Prof. Michael Penn’s collection of the Syriac writings of first contact:

    https://www.amazon.com/When-Christians-First-Met-Muslims/dp/0520284941/

    As far as the libraries of Ctesiphon and Alexandria being burned, again, why should we believe this when the historical weight of evidence is against it:
    “But these details, from the Caliph’s quote to the incredulous six months it supposedly took to burn all the books, weren’t written down until 300 years after the fact. These facts condemning Omar were written by Bishop Gregory Bar Hebræus, a Christian who spent a great deal of time writing about Moslem atrocities without much historical documentation.”

    https://ehistory.osu.edu/articles/burning-library-alexandria

    “Since then, a succession of other Western scholars have analyzed and demolished the story—Alfred J. Butler in 1902, Victor Chauvin in 1911, Paul Casanova and Eugenio Griffini, independently, in 1923. Some have attacked the internal improbabilities of the story. A large proportion of books of that time would have been written on vellum, which does not burn….To accept the story of the Arab destruction of the library of Alexandria, one must explain how it is that so dramatic an event was unmentioned and unnoticed not only in the rich historical literature of medieval Islam, but even in the literatures of the Coptic and other Christian churches, of the Byzantines, of the Jews, or anyone else who might have thought the destruction of a great library worthy of comment. That the story still survives, and is repeated, despite all these objections, is testimony to the enduring power of a myth…It is surely time that the Caliph ‘Umar and ‘Amr ibn al-‘As were finally acquitted of this charge which their admirers and later their detractors conspired to bring against them.”

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1990/09/27/the-vanished-library-2/

    don’t try to give me the Hollywood version of Bishop Theophilus burning it

    Why would I? I think making references to apocryphal myths to try to score points is silly:
    These latter two events involving Patriarch Theophilus and Caliph Omar are historically unsubstantiated. Writer Uwe Jochum comments that ‘intead of squeezing the sources in search of absolute truth, we should be aware that both lines are telling a political story reflecting the basic myths of western civilization…’”
    Disaster Theory: An Interdisciplinary Approach to Concepts and Causes

    Honestly bro, this is getting embarrassing – can we call it quits now?

    Peace.

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  391. geokat62 says:

    I am ready to cast my opinion. I’d say the ink spilled here represents a closer version of his unvarnished feelings than the sanitised versions appearing elsewhere.

    Before anyone else declares their readiness to throw Phil under the bus, I’d like to present Exhibit A in his defense regarding the offending statement:

    It is interesting how Jews among themselves boast about their power but if a gentile so much as suggests the same thing it is anti-Semitism.

    The title of the Exhibit is:Document: Jews Boast of Owning Hollywood — But Slam Gentiles Who Say the Same Thing

    Here are the most pertinent excerpts:

    The all-out attack by the Jewish Supremacist “Anti-Defamation League” (ADL) on actor Gary Oldman for daring to mention that Jews run Hollywood has highlighted the fact that Jews can routinely boast about that fact—but if Gentiles say exactly the same thing, they are attacked as “anti-Semites.”…

    However, Foxman has never said anything when his fellow Jews have said exactly what Oldman said—and even more.

    For example, the Jewish journalist Joel Stein, who used to write for the Los Angeles Times and who currently writes for Time magazine, wrote a large article in the LA Times on 19 December 2008, titled “Is Hollywood Run by Jews? You Bet.”…

    Stein has not had his “employers spoken to” by Foxman and the ADL, unlike the unfortunate Gary Oldman.

    The difference is, of course, that the Jews are perfectly happy as long as it is they who boast about their control of Hollywood — but woe betide any Gentile who dares to say the same thing, they are just anti-Semites.

    Stein is not the only prominent Jewish journalist to have boasted about Jewish control of Hollywood.

    In August 1996, the Jewish magazine Moment (which describes itself as “North America’s premier Jewish magazine, founded in 1975 by Nobel Prize laureate Elie Wiesel”) ran a front page article titled “Jews Run Hollywood—So What?” written by Jewish journalist Michael Medved…

    Once again, Medved has never had his “employers spoken to” or had his career derailed by the Foxmans of the world—simply because he is Jewish and allowed to say these things.

    There is even a commercially available book about the Jewish control of Hollywood, written by the Jew Neal Gabler, titled An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood…

    Gabler also reveals that the Hollywood Jews practice anti-Gentile discrimination.

    “Those goyim!” Harry Warner would yell in derision, or “He’s a nice fellow for a goy” a Jew might say but only in their inner sanctums, when they were safe among fellow Jews, and only verbally. (p.280)…

    Once again, the Jewish Supremacist hypocrites like Foxman did not “speak to Gabler’s employers” or otherwise smash his career.

    Instead, the Jewish-owned New York Times described Gabler’s book as “enthralling book of social history.”

    The book was adapted into a documentary movie in 1998. As usual, the film has two titles, distributed to different markets: Hollywoodism: Jews, Movies and the American Dream (original title for A&E) and Hollywood: An Empire of Their Own (title for video/DVD).

    This film, once again made by Jews for Jews, was not the subject of the ADL’s venom. Instead, this exposé of Jewish control of Hollywood won an award for “Best Jewish Experience Documentary” at the 1998 Jerusalem Film Festival.

    http://nationalvanguard.org/2015/10/document-jews-boast-of-owning-hollywood-but-slam-gentiles-who-say-the-same-thing/

    • Replies: @iffen
  392. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Thanks for adding substance to part of my argument.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Sam Shama
  393. Seraphim says:
    @Talha

    It might be that Omar’s story is a myth. The trouble is that it was created by Muslim historians and Bar-Haebraeus just copied them.

    “The very reason as to why this myth is so strongly rooted regrettably is that it was created and disseminated by Muslims and not by their enemies, the unfortunate problem is that many prominent Muslim historians quote ‘that it was the Arab invading Muslims who destroyed the library. ‘ These include Al-Qifti (1172-1248), Al-Maqrizi (1364 – 1442) Sermons and Lessons in the Mention of Plans and Monuments, and Ibn Khaldun (1332 – 1406) Prolegomena, Ibn Al Nadim, The Index … .’ Why? It was to make Saladin actions against Fatimid Isamilis look good.’ Let me admit that I believed in it and have quoted it, however my investigations proved that it is totally a myth. If Ibn Khaldun has quoted it after 700 years we need to see on what authority, he actually copied it from Al Qitfi. Caliph ‘Omar and ‘Amr ibn al-‘As Ibn Abi Waqqas ‘at long last need to fully exonerated of this false accusation as Al Qitfi was writing about this 500 years plus after the event… Barhebraeus, the principal source used by Western historians, lived from 1226 to 1289, simply copied the story from Al-Qifti **history because of his weightage and a narration from Baghdadi physician called ‘Abd al-Latif, who was in Egypt in 1203, and in a brief account of his journey refers in passing to “the library which ‘Amr ibn al-‘As burnt with the permission of ‘Omar.” ” ( ‘Did Caliph Omar Bin Khattab ordered burning the Library of Alexandria and Sassanid literature ‘ – Debunking a myth of the Vanished Library!!, by iqbal.latif
    @https://iqballatif.newsvine.com/_news/2015/08/27/33926510-did-caliph-omar-bin-khattab-ordered-burning-the-library-of-alexandria-and-sassanid-literature-debunking-a-myth-of-the-vanished-library

    But why wouldn’t be credible in view of the recent behaviour of Muslims:
    “The calls of ‘Faithful Muslims Must Destroy The Pyramids and The Sphinx’ – ‘Destroy the idols,’ Egyptian jihadist calls for removal of Sphinx, Pyramids. Yesterday it was the Bamiyan, today the Sphinx, Pyramids! Arabic media lately had reported words of Saudi Sheikh Ali bin Said al-Rabi‘i for the demolition of Egypt’s Great Pyramids. Now Murgan Salem al-Gohary, have joined the chorus, he is an Islamist leader twice-sentenced under former President Hosni Mubarak for advocating violence, he called on Muslims to remove such “idols.” The clarion call of hardened clergy is the ”symbols of paganism need to be destroyed Mursi should accomplish what the Sahabi Amr bin al-As could not.” ( “Yesterday it was the Bamiyan, today ISIS bulldozed world heritage the 8th Century BC Assyrian statue and Sufi shrines! by iqbal.latif @http://iqballatif.newsvine.com/_news/2012/11/18/15259701-yesterday-it-was-the-bamiyan-today-isis-bulldozed-world-heritage-the-8th-century-bc-assyrian-statue-and-sufi-shrines

    BTW, about the mild treatment of Christians by Muslims:
    “Egypt church bombings kill at least 37, injure dozens”
    ‘At least 37 people have been killed and dozens more injured in two separate blasts at churches packed with worshippers in northern Egypt, one week before Coptic Easter, officials say.
    At least 26 people were killed and 70 injured in the first blast at a Coptic church in the Nile Delta town of Tanta, north of Cairo.
    The second blast in front of a Christian church in Alexandria on the country’s north coast killed 11 and wounded at least 35 others, Egypt’s health ministry said’.
    @http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-09/egypt-church-bombings-kills-at-least-37-injures-dozens/8429272

    Peace?

    • Replies: @Talha
  394. Talha says:
    @Seraphim

    Hey Seraphim,

    Bernard Lewis in my earlier post gives a reason why he feels some Muslims promoted the story; to give credence to some later policies they wanted to implement:
    “One of Saladin’s first tasks after the restoration of Sunnism in Cairo was to break up the Fatimid collections and treasures and sell their contents at public auction. These included a very considerable library, presumably full of heretical Isma’ili books. The break-up of a library, even one containing heretical books, might well have evoked disapproval in a civilized, literate society. The myth provided an obvious justification. According to this interpretation, the message of the myth was not that the Caliph ‘Umar was a barbarian because he destroyed a library, but that destroying a library could be justified, because the revered Caliph ‘Umar had approved of it. Thus once again, as on so many occasions, the early heroes of Islam were mobilized by later Muslim tradition to give posthumous sanction to actions and policies of which they had never heard and which they would probably not have condoned.”

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1990/09/27/the-vanished-library-2/

    As to your other two links; uh yeah – this is what extremists do – is there a question about this? Obviously, if they were to follow the true example of our pious predecessors of the first generation, then they wouldn’t be slaughtering Christians in churches nor destroying monuments that they left completely untouched (logic dictates that they obviously wouldn’t be around now to be destroyed if the first generation felt it was religiously obligated to destroy them in the first place). These people also bomb Muslim mosques during Friday prayer – why would they treat Christians with kid gloves?

    This is now skirting with “don’t waste my time” territory.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  395. Sam Shama says:
    @Anon

    [not Keith]
    Concerning the incidence of antisemitism (I tire of the term for lack of a better, which if you have, I should be keen to know) I don’t dispute your broader suggestion, at least not in the U.S. or U.K. but things are perceptively unalike in continental Europe. I speak from personal experience; France in particular, where a casual conversation at a watering hole with ‘graying’ regulars who, unaware of my religion launched into a visceral attack on Juifs mondiaux and paused but for a breath, quite unabashed when I politely informed them, to grunt and shrug only that I did not “look so Jewish!” Denmark somewhat more approximately similar. Not to belabour the point, but I happen to believe that in matters social, a sample of one, or two, can suffice :-)

    Polls, I agree are not to be relied upon all that much. Also, I sense Millenials to be rather different from Gen X. The latter, a far more ambitious and practical lot, willing to give diversity a nod within reasonable limits.

    • Replies: @iffen
  396. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    Sorry, iffen, can’t talk right now… busy trying on my new rubber boots.

    Tell you what, when we are both properly attired – me with my new rubber boots and you with your sackcloth and ashes – we can resume our conversations.

    Ciao for now.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  397. Incitatus says:
    @Anon

    Keith says
    “The Unz revisionists. Think of it as Planet Germania”.

    Gosh, Anon. I thought I wrote those words. Who’s Keith?

    You retail the usual tired baggage. It – fill in the blank – is all the fault of Jews, etc. No surprise you do it masked without history and confrontation.

    Afraid of direct correspondence? Pirating out-of context quotes? Don’t have any original thoughts of your own? Apparently not.

    I’m doing my best here Anon/Keith. Indications are you’re a coward, text thief, and intellectually vacuous bigot. Some might conclude your monthly supply of viagra arrived and you felt you had to post appreciation.

    I’m hoping that’s not the case. My hunch is (like Alien) you have an inner Semite that’s fighting to express itself. Don’t disappoint me.

    All things aside, I’d settle for knowing who Keith is supposed to be. An alter ego your therapist encouraged you to address as safehaven before doing harm to yourself or violently attacking others?

    In that case Anon, by all means, whisper to Keith and listen for his reply (I just heard it – he likes you).

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Vires
  398. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    unaware of my religion …that I did not “look so Jewish!

    So you are firm with religion as complete and conclusive.

    A convert is Jewish while a person with two Jewish parents who proclaims his atheism and does not follow or subscribe to any Judaic religious teaching is, “not a Jew”?

    It occurs to me that in some way it is a little out of order for “us” to proffer questions on “the Jewish question” to you.

    Dissident seems to be a more natural fit as he came to my attention by attempting to “police” what one Jew was posting in a comment.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  399. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    A convert is Jewish while a person with two Jewish parents who proclaims his atheism and does not follow or subscribe to any Judaic religious teaching is, “not a Jew”?

    Hi Iffen,

    It’s a question which has an easy answer. No rabbi worth his salt will guide a conversion without being wholly convinced of the candidate’s sincerity. Conversion to Judaism is no easy matter but once completed, yes, that person is Jewish. A person born of a Jewish mother (sufficient subset of both parents being Jewish) and entered into the Brith Mila is a Jew, whether or not he embraces atheism. He is not observant, but merely going through a “phase” :-)

    Curious to hear what others have to say.

    Best
    Sam

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @iffen
    , @Dissident
  400. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    It’s a question which has an easy answer.

    Not much is easy these days, Sam. To say that I am extremely disappointed in this response is an understatement.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  401. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Do you not read and understand some of the comments from these Jew-haters?

    Can we undo the Jew or not?

  402. Incitatus says:

    Sorry to be so late NtD.

    I have agreements and differences with the UNZ’s “The War to End All Peace.” Lacking time, I’ve not posted them – I have other things on my plate at the moment. Plus, it’s not the first time UNZ’s featured the subject. Feel free to explore my record on WW1 posted last year:

    http://www.unz.com/freed/hillary-trump-and-war-with-russia/

    posts 118, 129, 211, 435, 447, 473

    OK. To be brief. “War to End All Peace”

    WW1 guilt. All were guilty (stupid interlocking alliances). The most guilt? Germany (51%+). Why? They pulled the trigger. They invaded. Before attacking neutral Belgium they urged rotten Habsburg Austria-Hungary into war (von Moltke tried from 1912 – the assassination and ultimatum was the perfect excuse). Their record in neutral Belgium? War crimes without doubt.

    Sure, Wilhelmine Germany felt encircled. Blame geography. Their response? War plans with visions of conquest and continental hegemony (Russia was growing stronger after it’s defeat in 1905). Envy England for her empire? No problem, neutralize (invade, defeat, devastate, exact tribute – it worked 1870-71) France and turn to attack Russia. That’s the future, Germany’s ‘manifest destiny.’ It lies in the East. No need to bother with a navy. England will be isolated and irrelevant.

    Hitler, picked up the old dream. He was original only in the barbarity of the means he would enable when giving it a second try in ‘39. Remember, he was coconspirator with scum-bag Ludendorff in ‘24.

    In ‘18 Ludendorff (with Hindenburg) was just smart enough to realize he’d lost the war and handed negotiations to civilians. He then marketed the ‘stab-in-the-back’ tale to conceal his own incompetence (‘we won but civilians – and Jews – betrayed us’). 1924? Ludendorff was using Hitler to regain power lost after losing a war that cost Germany millions of men. Adolf was smart enough to turn the table and use Ludendorff. Result? Adolf went on to destroy Europe (the frustrated dream of Wilhelmine Germany if it couldn’t get it’s way? – who knows?).

    Did England traditionally play the stronger continental powers off the weaker? Of course! 1066, though remote, was a great lesson.

    Allied war propaganda? No doubt much of it was bogus and exaggerated. The authors are silent on German propaganda making ogres out of the Belgians, French, et. al. Why? What was the poor German infantryman told before risking his life? What was his family told? Silence from the authors.

    The “illegal” British blockade that starved ±800k Germans (turnips from 1916). Indeed very tragic. The authors don’t mention the German U-Boat blockade of the UK. Was that “illegal” too? The authors don’t mention comparable civilian deaths in neutral Belgium. Or much more grievous Serbian attrition (25%+ of total population). Why? What are the authors selling? Absolution for Germany?

    The authors indict Wilson for his “war guilt.” No problem there. Wilson (son of a Baptist preacher) is no favorite of mine. I agree with Clemenceau:

    “What ignorance of Europe and how difficult all understandings were with him [Woodrow Wilson]. He believed you could do everything by formulas and his fourteen points. God himself was content with ten commandments. Wilson modestly inflicted fourteen points on us…the fourteen commandments of the most empty theory.”

    All of this is history. Here’s what I think. All war is illegal. No less Trump’s recent strike on Syria. As an American, I’m just as responsible. And that troubles me. Went through this in 2002-03. Objecting without success. What, as a (former) Brit, do you feel about Tony Blair?

    Don’t agree we should take them out and shoot them per say. But if you want to indict and try them before the law, I’m with you.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Anon
    , @Sam Shama
  403. Incitatus says:
    @geokat62

    “Sorry, iffen, can’t talk right now… busy trying on my new rubber boots.”

    Hats off, Geo.

    Tell me where you get your new boots. Mine (we all have them) are a bit too tight.

  404. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Incitatus

    Keith says:

    This is my original thought. Before asking for evidence to support murder by gassing with
    Zyklon B at the labor camps, I whispered to myself :

    The Unz Zionists will not be able to produce the evidence, evidence needed in all murder cases
    to convict the perpetrator with irrefutable proof. Why? They don’t have proof.

    Zionists don’t need proof. It is so, because the say it so, by repeating the lie over and over again since the late 1800s.

    The Zionists know they are living in the last days of the big lie and now are realizing
    their Holocaust indoctrination hasn’t been totally successful. For this reason they are desperate and need laws to protect the BIG LIE.

    They will do what the always do; personally attack the person (Keith) for asking original questions regarding the Holoax. Questions they can’t answer.

    BELIEVE ME, if they COULD they would.

    REMINDER: The subject is AIPAC is in town. As always, a small % of Jewish Zionists
    work hard to dominate the dialogue. They have successfully diverted the dialogue away from the subject and turned it into a Jewish Hasbara chat room.

    What is a Jew
    Who is a Jew
    Conversion to the Jewish faith
    Away for sabbath
    Away on vacation to Miami, little Tel Aviv

    Time for me to move to “Trump goes Jewish NeoCon crazy”. I what to see what the 88s have to say.

    I wonder why the affliction of AntiSemetism still exists? Unknown malady or known reasons?

    Will any Hasbara provide a answer to this original thought?

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  405. @Incitatus

    Thank you for taking the time to write a lengthy reply. As far as Tony Blair goes, I truly hate him. I am all for him being put on trial for war crimes then Hanged, publicly. I hope his legacy is that people forever more will spit when speaking his name and that his name becomes one to be used like the name Judas, a liar (He already has that, Tony Bliar) a betrayer and a man without morals or shame.

    America was wobbling on going to war against Iraq, GWB couldn’t sell it until Blair came and addressed both houses. I watched it with a tough old Marine vet who’d served in Vietnam and whom I’d met and befriended. That old Marine was thumping his chest with pride as Blair extolled the greatness and purpose of America, until it dawned on him that Blair was selling another war. He wept openly. He was one of the funniest people I’ve ever met and surprisingly well read. he didn’t want a new generation to suffer like his did and he died soon afterwards. He drowned his pain in booze and was ultimately another casualty of that stupid, evil conflict, 50 years later. I do really, really hate Blair.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  406. Seraphim says:
    @Talha

    Well then, I do admit that Muslim historians tell lies. But would have they dared to calumniate one of the founders of Islam, if they (and their audience) were not convinced of the truth of their assertions? It might be the invention of Saladin, but even so the idea that burning writings non conforming to the Islamist views is a commendable feat remains the same. It may be doubtful that Omar said what is attributed to him, because the Koran as we know it did not exist before the ‘compilation’ of Uthman, or even later, Saint John of Damascus knowing that ‘this Mohammed wrote many ridiculous books, to each one of which he set a title’ and the first Life of Muhammad was not yet written. We know virtually nothing pertaining to Muhammad from Muslim sources before the time of Abd al-Malik (possibly the real inventor of ‘Islam’).

    • Replies: @Talha
  407. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Incitatus

    Keith says:

    I notice you conviently forgot to mention the role the Jewish Zionists played in the ” War to end all peace”. The same role the Jewish NeoCons are playing today in the wars in the Middle East.

    Let’s look at the Jewish war booty (Jewish homeland in Palestine) they received for their enormous financial and media support they gave to Great Britain and the allies.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_john.html

    Hon. Alfred J. Balfour (1838-1930) offered Palestine as a national home for the Jews
    in 1917, as a price for getting the United States of America into the war.

    The Germans learned about who “stab them in the back” when they signed and took total responsibility for the war at the Versailles Treaty. At the signing there was a contingent of Zionist Jews making sure they got their war prize.

    The citizens who pushed out the politicians at the Versailles Treaty, weren’t just ordinary German and US citizens.

    They were Jewish bankers, Felix and Paul Warburgs. War is a racket. The capitalists on Wall Street and London had to get someone to pay for the war loans. This is why Germany had to pay devastating war reparations.

    You also forgot to mention the role the German Jewish and Russian Bolsheviks communists
    (Rosa Luxemburg and her Jewish dominated Spartacus Bund) played in Germany’s defeat.

    To show my support for Israel’s defense. I strongly support the push to draft Orthodox Jews into the IDF. Hopefully, Israelis will be in the front lines to fight in their planned war with Iran.

  408. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Sorry to hear. I am not about to tailor my answers, nor do I care a whit what the Jew haters say, for nothing you or I could say would ever change their minds. I know who matters.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @iffen
    , @Anon
  409. Talha says:
    @Seraphim

    Hey Seraphim,

    Muslim historians tell lies.

    Some do, sure. As do some Christian or other historians. No surprises here, that’s what academic research is about.

    because the Koran as we know it did not exist before the ‘compilation’ of Uthman

    Of course it did. It was both orally transmitted in its variations (the most important) and in personal copies. All Uthman (ra) did was make official codices to stave off potential textual corruption at the peripheries. Honestly, I cannot take textual criticism of the Qur’an seriously from a person that believes in the full veracity of the New Testament – it’s hypocrisy to the extreme. What are the earliest dated manuscripts you have? Oh? Fragments? Oh…I see.

    What language are we sure that the Son of Mary (pbuh) spoke? Oh…I see.

    We’ve been blessed to be able to preserve the variant readings and intonation through the chains of transmission – something that no text can ever convey:

    We know virtually nothing pertaining to Muhammad from Muslim sources before the time of Abd al-Malik

    We know plenty – you don’t accept the veracity of our hadith transmissions; we don’t care. We don’t particularly care what John of Damascus has to say either.

    possibly the real inventor of ‘Islam’

    Pfffwwahahahaha! Man, it was much more interesting when you said it was invented by Da Joos. Maybe it was space aliens.

    But seriously man, this isn’t the forum for this – this has gone way off course. Any further comments along this line will be ignored.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Seraphim
  410. Talha says:
    @Talha

    Oh and I forgot this one:

    but even so the idea that burning writings non conforming to the Islamist views is a commendable feat remains the same

    You’ve got to be kidding me. Again, I cannot take this seriously from a believing Christian. Bro, have you read any of the edicts of your early councils and patriarchs?

  411. Seraphim says:
    @Talha

    You promised several times to ignore them, but you did not keep your word. Do not deprive us of the comic relief you provide.

  412. Dissident says:
    @Sam Shama

    I hope I will not de-rail even further too much, into an esoteric intra-Jewish dispute, but I would like to respond to this.

    No rabbi worth his salt will guide a conversion without being wholly convinced of the candidate’s sincerity.

    True but I would add that unfortunately many rabbis –and perhaps many more “rabbis”– are not worth their salt. I find apropos a line I heard years ago, “Never judge Judaism by Jews“. All mortals are flawed and susceptible to going astray in any number of ways. Only G-d is perfect.

    Conversion to Judaism is no easy matter but once completed, yes, that person is Jewish.

    I would just add the caveat that the conversion must be a halakhicaly valid one, i.e., in accordance with Judaic Law (halakhah). As to what qualifies as such, I will simply note that as with just about every other matter of Judaic belief and observance, there is much dispute among Jews, with the greatest dividing line being between the Orthodox and the non-Orthodox.

    [MORE]

    A person born of a Jewish mother (sufficient subset of both parents being Jewish) and entered into the Brith Mila is a Jew, whether or not he embraces atheism.

    Two points of elaboration and clarification on the above:
    1.) Actually, although Bris Milah (the Covenant of Circumcision) is unquestionably a fundamental obligation upon every male Jew (his parents first), one born to a Jewess would still be considered a Jew even if not circumcised. (Though I believe an uncircumcised male Jew, as long as he remains uncircumcised, is barred from participation in religious rites that are exclusive to Jews. Also, secular circumcision is not sufficient; one who, whether born a Jew or a convert, already had a secular circumcision must undergo a ritual drawing of blood in order to be considered as having entered into this Covenant.)

    2.) In the eyes of Judaic Law (halakha), one born to a Jewess is and remains a Jew (or Jewess) throughout his (or her) life– at least in the sense of being obligated in all of the religious duties incumbent upon a Jew and held accountable concerning them. One born a Jew who renounces the fundamental tenets of Judaism, however, is considered a heretic or apostate and is barred from rituals exclusive to Jews and considered as cast off from the Jewish people. Should such an individual at any time decide to repent, he will be fully welcomed back into The Tribe. As the kind, gentle and pious couple in Charles Dickens’ Oliver Twist told the woman who risked everything (and indeed would pay with her life) by meeting them that fated night under London Bridge in order to save poor young Oliver by revealing his pursuers to them, it is never too late for penance.

    (Alas, finding herself unable to break away from the world of villainy, degradation and mayhem that was the only one she had ever known, the shattered woman declined the escape from it that the kind couple had offered her. Returning, instead, to that squalid, sordid world of depravation, she met a bitter, violent end.)

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
  413. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    I am not sure what tailor my answer means in this context. It seemed to me that you defined being Jewish solely in religious terms without regard to descent.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  414. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Did you have any thoughts on my #394? Geo came in with support for the 2nd part of my argument. I really would like to know if anyone can follow my reasoning on the practical effects of that sentence or if I am so far in left field I am no longer in the outfield.

  415. iffen says:
    @Dissident

    into an esoteric intra-Jewish dispute, but I would like to respond to this.

    All of us are not Jews. You are keen to police the subject and the writings of those that you perceive to be Jews. This forum is a place for the discussion of the Jew-matrix and one does not need to be a Jew nor a Jew-hater to participate.

    Thank you for your extended comment. I point out that all of us have access to library materials.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Dissident
  416. Dissident says:

    I would just like to take a moment, first, to acknowledge and thank those who have responded to my comments. There are a number of points in the replies that I would like to address and some questions that I would like to answer but alas, time can be such a relentless and unforgiving master. (“The inexorable tyranny of the relentless march of time.”, as I heard it put in a quote that has stuck with me.) I may very well yet respond further at some point but I do not want to make any commitment to doing so. (See further note below.)

    Returning to the original topic of Mr. Giraldi’s piece, the reply I posted to it and related matters, I would like to say a few things at this juncture.

    First, although I did preface my reply to Mr. Giraldi by noting that, “I am far from being a Zionist or AIPAC supporter and I recognize the critical distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism.”, perhaps I should have also made it clear that I would concur with Mr. Giraldi in finding at least much of what he described in the article as indeed amounting-to a sordid and shameful spectacle. I found little, though, in what he described that was really anything new to me, so I did not find myself having much to say about most of it.

    Additionally, (and this should already be obvious but just to be absolutely clear), hostile accusations to the contrary notwithstanding, nowhere, in any of my comments, did I mean to suggest that anyone should actually not be allowed to say anything, much less be imprisoned for doing so. I explicitly wrote that I was not defending the anti-free-speech laws that Mr. Giraldi made reference to (the ones under which it is a crime, punishable by imprisonment, to question or dispute the accepted Holocaust narrative.) I do not support such laws.

    In fact, one of my key reasons for my voting for President Trump was related to freedom of speech. I feared that a Supreme Court altered by Clinton-appointed Justices would likely approve “hate speech” restrictions and that included in what such restrictions would criminalize would more-than-likely be much of both what I read and listen-to as well as much of what I write and post (examples of both found right here at Unz).

    I will note here that in addition to the rapidly approaching Passover festival occupying my time and thoughts, I am greatly concerned over all that has hit the fan over the past several days with the Trump administration and the attack on Syria. What troubles me most about these developments is relevant, at least tangentially, to this thread. I have a number of problems with the President’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner and these are all magnified, first by the fact that he is a Jew and then further magnified by the fact that he is described and known as an Orthodox Jew.

    As if that weren’t enough, I now witness the spectacle of Kushner’s ties to Chabad receiving much attention. The topic of Chabad-Lubavitch is a difficult and delicate one to broach. Suffice it to say that they are a faction of Hasidic Jewry that — today, at least; they have veered very far from their august roots– in many respects, can only be considered non-normative and in some cases even borderline (at least) heretical. For all of those reasons, the more powerful Kushner is, the worse I consider it. Seeing Kushner promoted at the direct cost of Bannon being demoted makes everything all the worse and more worrisome. Then, the President’s about-face on Syria. Like a one-two punch knockout.

    The more I see Jewish, and especially Orthodox Jewish support for this terribly worrying action of the President’s, the more dismayed by it I am. For these reasons, when it comes to whatever time I may spend going forward at Unz, please understand that I may give priority to newer threads related to the brewing/boiling matters that I have just enumerated above.

    Let me include something here that I wrote that although more general is nonetheless quite apropos to the specific matters addressed in this post. In the traditional Judaic view that I subscribe-to, the exile that Jews have been under since the Roman destruction of Jerusalem, circa 70 C.E., is by Divine decree. This exile can only end by direct Divine intervention, in the form of the arrival of the awaited Messiah, which we believe will be an unmistakably supernatural event. Until then, Jews must be loyal citizens of the host countries in which we dwell. We are forbidden from rebelling against or working to undermine our host nations.

    The only demand that we can and indeed must make of our host nations is that they allow us the freedom to worship; to believe and live our lives in full accordance with the obligations and principles our Faith. As long as that fundamental freedom of conscience is granted us, then we must abide by the laws of the lands in which we dwell. We have no right to meddle into the faiths of other peoples; for example, Torah-true Jews have no part in the War on Christmas or in making demands upon Christians to issue apologies for past conduct or alter parts of their sacred writings that we may find offensive.) And we have no right to lobby or otherwise work to influence our host nations to adopt policies or take actions for the benefit of any foreign nation at the expense of their own citizenry. Indeed, one of the problems that the many rabbis (actually a near-unanimous consensus) who opposed Zionism warned of was a situation it would create in which Jews would be suspected of or, in some cases at least, actually have, conflicting loyalties between their host countries and the Zionist enterprise/State.

    Before I go, I would like to just respond to something that Incitatus had written in his response to me,

    Following Tikkun (love or hate it) is an easy education in the wide array of views in the domestic Jewish community.

    Concerning a source such as that, I would just hope that you:
    - realize that the perspective and viewpoints found there are very far traditional, Orthodox ones,
    and,
    - realize that those who write there inevitably and undoubtedly have their own unmistakable biases, and
    - bear all of the above in mind whenever you read anything from such a source, particularly and especially anything in any way related to Orthodox Jews

    (And yes, I acknowledge having my own biases that I can only be expected to bring to my perspective and views. Can anyone honestly claim not to have biases and be influenced by them? )

    Best wishes until next time,

    Dissident

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Incitatus
  417. @iffen

    Why even bother to comment if you are neither involved nor interested? Why not just sit back and allow the people who are to have their exchange? Does it have to be about you?

  418. Dissident says:
    @iffen

    I was not “policing” anything.

    This forum is a place for the discussion of the Jew-matrix and one does not need to be a Jew nor a Jew-hater to participate.

    I never suggested otherwise. On the contrary, I offered the prefatory comment that I did because, a) my comment further elaborated upon a specific topic that had already gotten drifted considerably from that of Mr. Giraldi’s article, and b) the specific topic I elaborated upon dealt with Judaic matters that, while the topic of a great deal of interest and dispute among Jews, are esoteric for most non-Jews.

    Thank you for your extended comment. I point out that all of us have access to library materials.

    I was responding, specifically and directly, to a comment made by Mr. Shama, which he had concluded with the words,

    Curious to hear what others have to say.

    While I would not claim that my comment could not, ideally, have been briefer, I reject the implication that, given the context I made it in, it was grossly, inordinately or unacceptably lengthy or detailed.

    As far as I can see, if inclined to take the approach that you did in this reply to me, there are any number of other comments in the thread that you could have just as easily made the same reply-to. (And I would consider doing so to be just as gratuitous in any such instance as is this one.)

    • Replies: @iffen
  419. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    Keith says:

    “I care a whit what the Jew haters say, for nothing you or I say would ever change their minds”.

    You are mistaken. If all Jews were Torah Orthodox Jews, there would be no problem.

    The Torah Jews believe they were dispersed throughout the world because they were disobient to God and God punished them. They strongly believe God will lead them back peacefully to the promised land, unlike the Jewish Zionists ethnocentric supremacist racists, who are ethnically cleansing and slaughtering the Palestinians and using others to fight their wars for them.

    I strongly support these Torah real Jews, who believe they must be loyal to the county the diaspora reside in. I also admire the Iranian Jews.

    The Torah Jews never get air time on Main Stream Media. Why..? MSM is Zio controlled.

    One of my Jewish heroes is Alan Sabrosky, who is a America First Patriot, unlike the Fifth Column Zionist Jews who put Israel first.

    I am open ears if we could work together and start up a Transfer Agreement to facilitate your Aliyha. I am actually a ardent supporter of Zionism. I want to make your dreams come true and assist you in anyway I can with you returning to your promised land.

    If you are really truly a dedicated Zionists, you can also support the diversion of some of the 3.8 billion dollars a year Israel receives in foreign aid from the American tax payers, and buy IDF military equipment for you and any Jews who want to participate in the Transfer Agreement. This way you can be true to your convictions and be ready to fight and die for a Greater Israel.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  420. iffen says:
    @Dissident

    I was not “policing” anything.

    Yes you were. When you thought that I was a Jew, you were concerned that my comment was damaging the “brand.” Now you have little use for my comments. You wanted us to share your heartburn over the Shamir character and his “Jewishness.” You say that who is a Jew and who is not is esoteric matter for Jews. It is not. In memory, who was a Jew and who was not was a life or death matter and one doesn’t have to be a Jew (however defined by you) to be interested.

    I will give you the same advice that I gave R. Unz. Save yourself and us some time by not prefacing your every comment by saying you have more important matters to attend rather than commenting.

    Thanks for clearly stating your position on the diaspora of the Jews. In regards to present day Israel, are you in favor of them being pushed into the sea, or should they just be nicer to the Palestinians.

    • Replies: @Anon
  421. Talha says:
    @Dissident

    Hey Dissident,

    Great post – learned a lot – thanks!

    Peace – see you after Passover.

  422. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    [defined being Jewish solely in religious terms without regard to descent.]

    No; descent is central to the Jewish identity. I wrote as much “A person born of a Jewish mother (sufficient subset of both parents being Jewish) and entered into the Brith Mila is a Jew, whether or not he embraces atheism.

  423. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Hi Iffen,
    Something was bothering me about this piece from the very start, and I think you parsed it quite well:

    The baseless accusation of duplicitous boasting is tied by a but to an unrelated charge of unequal application of the rules for determining whether some statement is anti-Semitic. He conveniently gives us an example to ponder. Not only that but the false charge of anti-Semitism is a legitimate question for examination, and most people know of instances where false accusations are made.

    Which is why, among other recent clues, I was ready, and did, cast my opinion on PG. Sorry Mr. Giraldi, but there it is.

  424. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Hi Iffen

    Don’t you think people whining about Jewish control of the entertainment industry, or finance, etc. is a bit childish in the end?

    Do we not have a free market of ideas, occupations, the Arts? I believe we do. So those (Geokat? ) who find the state of affairs oppressive have an easy path to redress their grievances: create Gentiles only clubs (wait, they have those I believe :-) ), Gentiles only business groups, Gentiles entertainment ventures and dislodge the Jews! Any questions? (sidenote: would muslims and others religions be included in the ‘Gentile’ category?)

    After all, that’s what I’d do if I thought the NYPD (and other PDs) oppressively Irish, the single home construction Industry excessively Italian etc.

    N.B: Geokat did bolster your argument.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @geokat62
    , @iffen
    , @RobinG
  425. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Keith says:

    ” In regards to present day Israel, are you in favor of them being pushed in the sea, or should they just nicer to the Palestinians” .

    Iffen… are you implying the Jews have been nice to the Palestinians, and all they need to do now is just be a little nicer?

    This is why people like you are so disliked.

    If I took your property, demolished your house, killed every member in your family and massacred your entire village, how would you respond?

    I am convinced your answer to this stupid question would be “Wipe them off the map”.

    The Balfour Declaration was an agreement that was suppose to be nice to the Palestinians. Since the declaration, the original contract, which was with the British colonialists, who had no right to
    give the diaspora Jews a homeland on the existing homeland of the Palestinians, the Jews have been pushing the Palestinians into the sea.

    This is why there is justified animosity towards Zionists in America and Israel.

  426. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus

    Hi Incitatus,
    As concise a precis of the reasons for WWs (and other before), one might strive to pack in a single comment. I appreciated your evenhanded exposition of circumstances fomented by Wilhelmine Germany, rather cloddishly(?) executed by Hindenburg and Ludendorff. Ludendorff of course thought it was going to be a repeat of Tannenberg to the very end.

    Germany’s festering envy of the U.K and France, and, as you point out, her geographic placement required all these interlocking agreements, which, she among all nations, violated first and thus bears the greater part of the blame if that is what we are going to apportion.

    You’ll notice the proposal to address questions concerning Zionists obtaining the ‘Balfour Declaration,’ the part they played at Versailles has been made. I could attempt to answer them, but I fear it would be more of a riposte than anything else. So, in the interest of objectivity, I cannily place myself on the fence and await your response.

    Best

    • Replies: @Incitatus
    , @L.K
  427. Sam Shama says:
    @Dissident

    You haven’t derailed the topic at all since the question of Orthodox Jewry was introduced by the author himself, in the sub-text and very title photo (unadvisedly in my opinion).

    True but I would add that unfortunately many rabbis –and perhaps many more “rabbis”– are not worth their salt. I find apropos a line I heard years ago, “Never judge Judaism by Jews“. All mortals are flawed and susceptible to going astray in any number of ways. Only G-d is perfect.

    What do you think of the Modern Orthodox? Regarding “Never judge Judaism by the Jews”, one might say that of most religions, Islam to be sure . Ask Talha.

    I would just add the caveat that the conversion must be a halakhicaly valid one, i.e., in accordance with Judaic Law (halakhah). As to what qualifies as such…..

    Well, I am no expert on the Halakha, but I believe that there is some room for interpretation, without which we might be stuck in a place we may not wish to be…e.g., a Cohen marrying a Giyoret; are the children of this union Jewish?

    One born a Jew who renounces the fundamental tenets of Judaism, however, is considered a heretic or apostate and is barred from rituals exclusive to Jews and considered as cast off from the Jewish people.

    Yes, this is the ultra-orthodox belief and I’d ask you, do you consider therefore Modern Israel to be the result of a heresy since the Moschiach hasn’t arrived to get us there?

    Lastly, I do not consider citizen Jews living in nations other than Israel as being “hosted” by those nations. I am American and Judaism is my religion. My allegiance is to this nation above all.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  428. Sam Shama says:
    @Anon

    First, it seems transparent that you wish to leave no coherent comments history. Why?

    Next, like other religions, Torah True Jews are a faction of the religion. I pass no judgement on their approach to their beliefs. I may choose to agree or disagree with various positions they assume. For example, their opposition to AIPAC, is one, of which I happen to be in some limited agreement with. AIPAC needs to be registered under FARA. But the notion that it needs to be banned is oafish.

    I am open ears if we could work together and start up a Transfer Agreement to facilitate your Aliyha. I am actually a ardent supporter of Zionism. I want to make your dreams come true and assist you in anyway I can with you returning to your promised land.

    So glad to know. You see there is a problem. I am not a Torah True Jew, nor do I wish to make Aliyah. My life is here, and I wish to make the best of it :-) . Are you?

    I love Israel, a nation forged by Jewish endeavour, I speak fluent Hebrew and visit the State whenever it suits me. So again, should I wish to live there permanently I’d hardly require your assistance; I have many friends and family there, own real-estate property and horses (:-) ) in Eretz Yisrael. So, no, don’t require your help. Of course, you could continue to help by voting for a Congressman, a Senator and a POTUS, considered a friend of Israel. Thanks for your kind regards, Keith.

  429. Incitatus says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    NtD,

    I’m sorry to hear of your friend. My best friend’s father, a really nice, quiet man, was a WW2 vet (Pacific theater). He downed six ‘tall boys’ (16 oz beer) every night with a long-horizon stare. Never spoke about the war or what horror he’d seen.

    The cost of war is paid by those forced to fight it, and it’s a bill due daily for the rest of their lives.

    I toured Verdun in the early 70s. The battlefield was a deforested lunar landscape, and mostly off-limits. 50+ years after the battle they were still carefully clearing live ordinance and discovering human remains. 30 cm thick armored turrets shattered like egg shells. Rows, rows and rows of cemetery crosses. An indelible memory.

    I then read Alstair Horne’s superb ‘Price of Glory’. Big mistake. 600,000+ men died at Verdun in 1916. The same number (total) died in the US Civil War 1861-65 – our bloodiest conflict! For what?

    Von Falkenhayn had the clever idea he’d create a meat grinder and feed it French poilu. Didn’t work out well – he lost an equal number of his own men.

    Verdun is a obscene example of the human cost of war. Nearby is a prime example of the cultural price: the magnificent Cathédral Notre Dame de Reims. Germans targeted it 19 September 1914 and set protective scaffolding ablaze. The oak roof frame caught fire and molten lead poured down the facade, destroying or damaging priceless sculpture. They continued shelling for four years – scoring over 300 hits. For what? Restoration of the cathedral continues even today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reims_Cathedral

    War is a colossal waste, a bonfire of vanity, a sacrifice of sanity for pride or avarice. It destroys the soul of men, all who participate in it. It is truly hateful. There is no excuse for it.

    The authors of the article imply Europeans would be better off rekindling nationalism to reclaim sovereign dignity. To be sure, there are many, many problems. Simple chauvinism, though popular at the moment, is hardly the answer. The perfume of such rhetoric raises the romantic specter of generational war. Too often they ended with the foul stench of decaying bodies.

    Who killed the most Frenchmen? Napoléon. Was the glory worth it? Not in my book. Why did most Prussians (including my great grandfather) emigrate to the US in the 19C? To escape being cannon fodder for German militarism. He was a very smart man.

    Individuals like Blair, Bush, and Cheney? I don’t have the disposition to hate individuals – don’t know why. Too self corrosive? The best I can manage is bitter contempt. And impatience to see them stand trial. Sadly, I don’t expect it to happen. Wish it would.

    • Replies: @L.K
  430. Incitatus says:
    @Anon

    Anon/Keith! What a pleasure. A direct response. Thank you!

    See? It wasn’t that difficult, was it? Better than speaking (pissing) into the wind?

    I note you’re wrestling with “Zyklon B at the labor camps”, “proof”, and “the BIG LIE”, “Holoax”, and all the rest. Does this keep you up at night? My sympathy.

    I started reading about WW2 over 50 years ago. I’m embarrassed, but that’s how old I am. I have to be honest here Anon/Keith. I don’t doubt the Holocaust happened. Sorry.

    You can parse the figures – so many shot, so many starved, so many killed by exposure, so many gassed. So what?

    I think Raul Hilberg is most reliable (sorry again – he’s – dare I say it – Jewish). He’s augmented by most independent, reputable historians. Forgive me if I don’t give the same weight to “expert professional engineers” like executioner-scum bag Fred Leuchter. Fred, poor boy, forgot to earn a professional degree, take exams, and maintain a license. Yet still called himself an engineer. The ‘tilt’ sign in the cosmic pinball game should ring ever most in your ears.

    Well, finally, what can I say? I’m delighted at the direct response, as I’ve said, but disappointed with the same tired baggage. We’ve all read it before. I have to be candid. It’s like discovering a no-doubt wonderful correspondent has an awful disfigurement, a horrible flaw.

    They say Persians as punishment would cut off the nose of the offender. Anon/Keith, given the sentiment expressed in your message, I mourn your deformity. You don’t need any Persians – you do it to yourself.

    Listen to your inner Keith.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Anon
  431. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    N.B: Geokat did bolster your argument.

    Care to give specifics?

  432. Incitatus says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hi Sam,

    I can only give you my (uneducated) take.

    I don’t think there’s anything too mysterious (or conspiratorial) about the declaration. It was all pretty much in plain view. The UK was in desperate need of cordite (they’d lose the war without it). Weizmann invented the acetine-butanol-ethanol process. He held the key and was smart enough to bargain (who wouldn’t?). Solution? UK promises Zionists a homeland. Territory to which the UK had no genuine right, save the spoils of victory. Happens in most wars. Doesn’t make it right, but there it is.

    That said, Sam, you’re quite right. Many attempt to cast it as a vile conspiracy. It was pretty public. Critics are usually as tiresome as those who want to revisit WW1 or WW2 (thinking Wilhelm or Adolf would be their friend). Just my opinion.

    All the best.

    • Replies: @Anon
  433. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    So those (Geokat? ) who find the state of affairs oppressive have an easy path to redress their grievances: create Gentiles only clubs (wait, they have those I believe :-) ), Gentiles only business groups, Gentiles entertainment ventures and dislodge the Jews!

    Thanks for the advice, Sam, but if you’ll recall, I had already devised a formula for breaking free from the yoke of Zionism:

    I say people of the US need to take a page from the people of the Phillipines when they exercised “People Power” and marched on the palace of president Ferdinand Marcos demanding his resignation. Or the people of the former soviet republics who rallied together demanding an end to authoritarian rule.

    The American people need to organize a million man march on Washington DC demanding their liberation from Zionist rule.

    And they should all carry placards [demanding their representatives implement] the following proposals for ending Zionist rule:

    1. public money for public elections
    2. all foreign agents must register under FARA
    3. no more wars for Israel
    4. end the occupation, now
    5. the perpetrators of the illegal invasion of Iraq, Libya, and the destruction of Syria must be brought to justice
    6. the perpetrators of torture must be brought to justice
    7. no dual citizens in positions of high office
    8. Israel must become a signatory of the NPT
    9. no more tribute paid to Israel
    10. no more UN vetoes for Israel

    The time may not be ripe today or tomorrow, but given The Lobby’s relentless pursuit of plumping the US into transforming the ME to enhance the security of the villa in the jungle, it is only a matter of time before the conditions for this proposal come to fruition.

    So, since we’re offering each other advice, my advice is that the sooner the special relationship is placed on a more normal footing, the better… for all the concerned parties. Hey, but what do I know… I’m just a Dumb Goy with a goyishe kopf.

  434. Incitatus says:
    @Dissident

    “In fact, one of my key reasons for my voting for President Trump was related to freedom of speech.”

    You’re one up on me, Dissident. I couldn’t bring myself to vote for either of them.

    I share your concerns on Syria. Visited Saladin’s tomb in Damascus ‘76. Wonderful people. The Umayyad Mosque (c.715 AD) is spectacular.

    As for Kushner – I’d like to know if Trump has any loans outstanding from his father. I’m not holding my breath to find out.

    Regarding Tikkun. I don’t pretend to appreciate the nuance in the Jewish community. My hands are full sorting out my own faith. But I think diversity of belief may be healthier than you imply. An uneducated view. There certainly exists a wide range. Same as in most religions.

    It doesn’t offend me that other RCs think differently. That’s between them and God. Same as me. It’s disturbing when abhorrent belief licenses immoral civil action (my view). I suppose that’s where a line is drawn.

    Bias? Yes, of course. I’m in love with doubt. The one thing that makes me hesitate before action. It alone demands just consideration, thinking carefully. Beware of doubt. It can deflate the greatest ego, the most ambitious aggression. God bless doubt.

    Best.

  435. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    No; descent is central to the Jewish identity.

    My bad, for some reason that last sentence screwed with my comprehension.

    I think you parsed it quite well:

    Thank you. The sentence is black and white to me, I fall off a cliff at the but. I thought, “I can’t be the only one who can see this.”

    Don’t you think people whining about Jewish control of the entertainment industry, or finance, etc. is a bit childish in the end?

    I don’t think of it as childish. I think that it is quite complicated. I have mentioned before that the people who dote on this hardly ever offer up any remedies. Would anything other than quotas solve the “problem”? For the time being, I am sticking with the idea that it is the result of a fairly meritorious society.

    That said, I see a problem with an organization like the ADL weighing in against certain performers.

    I know very little about the entertainment business, but if somebody starts messing with the Coen Brothers, I am going to come up out of this basement and … !!!!!

    Didn’t the original blacklist disproportionately target Jews?

    Year ago, when choosing stage names, didn’t Jewish people in the entertainment business choose non-Jewish names? I wonder why?

    So those (Geokat? ) who find the state of affairs oppressive

    Geo has blacklisted me. I could prostrate myself before him like a starving actor before Abe Foxman and he would not relent. He has the original copy of America’s national interest stashed in a safety deposit box some miles north of Detroit and will never let my eyes gaze upon it. He may have put it into Al Gore’s Social Security lockbox which was never used and for which there is no earthly combination.

    I hope Dissident responds to your question about Israel. I asked a similar question. I think I may need to work on my tone as well as the, “You’re just another MF language.”

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Sam Shama
  436. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Incitatus

    Keith says:

    ” Many attemp to cast it as vile conspiracy.”

    Why would anyone think it was a vile conspiracy? The most important question is, who was the conspiracy against?

    Great business/military decision by the British and the Zionists. Give creds when Cred is do!
    I fully understand.

    A Balfour declaration documentary that covered it, in detail. NEVER on a American
    Network?

    Israeli and the Jewish press have very friendly free speech freedom when reporting on Israel and Jewish affairs. Not so in America. It wasn’t taught in American NY high schools.

    I would bet that most Americans have no knowledge of the declaration, and know why their country is fighting in the Middle East. If only Americans knew!

    I hope this covered your, The Balfour Declaration “was pretty well Known” NOPE”

    sorry… have to move on and be less long winded.

    THE SPOILS OF WAR…….who actually made a bad deal and who was the conspiracy against?

    The Spoils of War went to the Zionists and Great Britain lost their empire. After the U.K. pulled the European Jews’s chestnuts out of the fire, after the war the British were being murdered in Israel by Zionists. Remember, the birth place of modern day terrorism is Israel. The King David Hotel was attacked by Zionists terrorists and brought down by demolition, killing British citizens. The Zionists dressed as Arabs when planting the bombs in their False Flag attack. Sound familiar?

    I know …. I Know .. move on, and end. I could go on and on, on this important subject forever.

    Today, Great Britain looks at Germany with great envy. The U.K. is a country full of doubt, instead of full of themselves. Brexit is the symptom of doubt.

    All the Balfour Declaration did was hasten the downfall of the Empire “The Sun Never Sets” it does now!

    Good read: Hitler, Churchill and the Unecessary War, buy author, Pat Buchanan.

    In both WW1 and WW2, Great Britain made the wrong deals with the wrong people. This is were the conspiracy comes in: Who was forcing the had of the British leadership during both wars? Walter Rothschilds.

    Who is forcing the hand in the U.K. today? FFI is just a hint. The conspiracy is still against the British People.

    Bad News: The same conspiracy is against the American people. AIPAC, NeoCon foreign policies, resulting in wars.

    I know, Shit Happens. Remember, when shit happens to you, it isn’t nice. You should have learned something from the wars?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  437. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Geo has blacklisted me. I could prostrate myself before him like a starving actor before Abe Foxman and he would not relent. He has the original copy of America’s national interest stashed in a safety deposit box some miles north of Detroit and will never let my eyes gaze upon it. He may have put it into Al Gore’s Social Security lockbox which was never used and for which there is no earthly combination.

    LOL. You outdid yourself in the funny department there, Iffen. I picture Geokat in the Northerly reaches, guarding that lockbox with a fervour only America firster Canucks can summon!

    • Replies: @geokat62
  438. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    I picture Geokat in the Northerly reaches, guarding that lockbox with a fervour only America firster Canucks can summon!

    Well looky here, two Israel-firsters trying to mock someone who isn’t on the topic of national interests…. very rich!

    Are you really trying to suggest that nations do not have national interests, defined as the pursuit of a country’s goals and ambitions (whether economic, military, or cultural), something the people’s representatives are supposed to formulate in the development of domestic and foreign policies? Very odd, that.

    We see nations expressing their national interests everyday on the world stage. Are you prepared to suggest that Israel is not pursuing its national interests by way of the all-powerful Lobby? Are you prepared to suggest launching the phony GWOT is not a project designed to enhance Israel’s national interests?

    While it is fairly straightforward to see Israel’s national interests being formulated by their executive and legislative branches of gov’t, based on the current stranglehold The Lobby has on all branches of the US gov’t, I am prepared to concede that it is indeed a challenge to suggest the representatives of the American people are free to pursue their national interests, however they may choose to define them.

    So, to answer your question, Sam, I think most people would agree that the term “national interests” is a well-defined term. Most would define it as “the goals and ambitions of a nation as formulated by the people’s representatives,” but they would also add this one big proviso: it should be formulated in the absence of undue foreign interference… something that cannot be said of America for the last several decades, but can be said of Israel.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
  439. Sam Shama says:
    @Anon

    Great business/military decision by the British and the Zionists. Give creds when Cred is do!

    Do you have an odd partiality for Random Capitalisation and homophonic substitution? ['do' for 'due']. More importantly, you are inching ever closer to a better understanding of how things work, especially during wars.

    It wasn’t taught in American NY high schools.

    Perhaps not in the school you attended; very much a topic taught in most schools.

    I would bet that most Americans have no knowledge of the declaration, and know why their country is fighting in the Middle East. If only Americans knew!

    Most Americans do not give a [ ...] . Most Americans are perfectly happy with Israel as a friend, thank you.

    Today, Great Britain looks at Germany with great envy. The U.K. is a country full of doubt, instead of full of themselves. Brexit is the symptom of doubt.

    Wrong. U.K. is fine and Germany is an ally of the Anglosphere, fully integrated with our monetary and economic system. German Bundesbank would not pass wind without the Fed’s permission. :-)

    All the Balfour Declaration did was hasten the downfall of the Empire “The Sun Never Sets” it does now!

    Wrong again. You do not understand how the Anglosphere works.

    Take a shot of brandy tonight. All the best

    • Replies: @Anon
  440. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    I know that you saw and read this comment by SmoothieX12:

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/neocons-as-a-figment-of-imagination/#comment-1812090

    Allow me to give my understanding of the substance.

    Israel will end up with the reality of a permanent militarily strong Russian presence in Syria.

    Syria will end up with a formidable and strengthened military. They will end up with an effective air defense. (Possibly on display in the cruise missile strike last week.) During the next war, Israel will be wondering where they misplaced their complete air superiority. It is not inconceivable that this air defense and projection of military power will be extended by Syria into Lebanon.

    Iranian/ Russian ties will be strengthened.

    Hezbollah will be stronger.

    Iraq, the traditional and historic counter weight to Iran will no longer be able to play that balancing power role.

    Russian influence throughout the ME will gain strength as they are shown to be a reliable ally.

    Are you really trying to suggest that nations do not have national interests

    Of course not, I’m saying that I don’t agree with your assessment and that you know what is in the best interests of the US.

  441. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    people who dote on this hardly ever offer up any remedies. Would anything other than quotas solve the “problem”? For the time being, I am sticking with the idea that it is the result of a fairly meritorious society.

    U.S. has the most meritocratic society and I speak from lived experiences in three continents. Group nepotism occurs limitedly.

  442. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    [....trying to mock someone ]

    Not mocking, Geo, just pulling your leg a wee inch. America concerns you more than Canada?

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @geokat62
  443. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    America concerns you more than Canada?

    From Wiki:

    Canadian troops were stationed in Germany throughout the Cold War, and Canada joined with the Americans to erect defences against Soviet attack, such as the DEW Line.
    When the Korean War (1950–1953) broke out, Canada needed several months to bring its military forces up to strength, and eventually formed part of British Commonwealth Forces Korea.
    Canada was one of the first nations to condemn Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait, and quickly agreed to join the US-led coalition. In August 1990, Prime Minister Brian Mulroney committed the Canadian Forces to deploy a Naval Task Group.
    Canadian forces, under the name Operation Deliverance, participated in the American-led Operation Restore Hope. In May 1993 the operation came under UN command and was renamed UNOSOM II.[278] By its end, the mission had turned into a political disaster for the Canadian Forces.[279] During the humanitarian mission Canadian soldiers tortured a Somali teenager to death, leading to the Somalia Affair.[280] Following an inquiry, the elite Canadian Airborne Regiment was disbanded and the reputation of the Canadian Forces suffered within Canada.
    Canada joined a US-led coalition in the 2001 attack on Afghanistan.
    The Iraq War (2003–2011) began with the invasion of Iraq on March 20, 2003. The government of Canada did not at any time officially declare war against Iraq. Nevertheless, the country’s participation and relationship with the US was redefined at various points in that war.
    On March 19, 2011, a multi-state coalition began a military intervention in Libya to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973[302] in response to the 2011 Libyan civil war.[303] Canada’s contribution included the deployment of a number of naval and air assets, which were grouped together as part of Operation Mobile.
    Operation Impact is the name of Canada’s contribution to the military intervention against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant that began in September 2014.[311] The first Canadian airstrike against an Islamic State target occurred on 2 November.

    Canada First!

  444. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    America concerns you more than Canada?

    Given their relative importance (based on the consequences emanating from these policies), American foreign policy concerns me more than Canadian foreign policy.

  445. L.K says:
    @Sam Shama

    “Germany’s festering envy of the U.K and France”

    phhhHAHAHAHAHAhahaha, always amusing, your idiotic posts!
    It was the other way around, asshole!

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  446. L.K says:
    @Incitatus

    “I think Raul Hilberg is most reliable (sorry again – he’s – dare I say it – Jewish). He’s augmented by most independent, reputable historians.”

    pffffHAHAHAHHAHAHA, shit, you fuckers are such jokers!
    Hilberg?? The poor bastard was destroyed by the holohoax revisionists! Reduced to the ‘holohoax’ was carried out by telepathy’ nonsense. ‘Independent’ historians??? pfffhhahahahaha
    Thanks again for the big laughs!
    :-)

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  447. L.K says:
    @Incitatus

    “Why did most Prussians (including my great grandfather) emigrate to the US in the 19C? To escape being cannon fodder for German militarism.”

    This crap is good for another big laugh! German “militarism” does not even begin to compare to British, Zamerican, Russian or French militarism.
    All one has to do is compare the number of wars the Germans were involved in to those of other major powers, all of which were true, real Empires. All these were involved in warfare a lot more than the Germans.
    The country your alleged grandfather left for, ZUSA, has been at war for 93% of its existence and currently is a serious threat to life on Earth.
    You are a pathetic, sad little liar.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  448. Sam Shama says:
    @L.K

    Hello reptile hybrid,

    Something occurred to me which I should’ve understood much earlier. All your posts are accompanied by tinny guffaws, calling other commenters ‘sad little liar’. You must know you sound really hollow as only the projections of a sad delusional person can.

    Naturally, given your genetic uniqueness, I am hesitant to suggest normal psychiatric help. Eureka! Perhaps the vet can be of help. I shall ask my man who performs wonders for my horses and come back to you with any suggestions.

    Best of luck.

    • Replies: @L.K
  449. RobinG says:
    @Anon

    Behind the Scenes at the ADL -

    Defamation-Excellent Israeli Documentary on “Anti-Semitism”

    (hint – they manufacture it to stay in business)

    • Replies: @iffen
  450. Incitatus says:
    @L.K

    L.K! What an honor! Two posts! Begrüßen Sie, lieber hemmaroid!

    Bored with re-fighting the squalid German role WW1 in the ‘War to End all Peace” with Jacues/Jacques and your pals? I sympathize. It gets pretty boring in an echo chamber full of Nazi parrots. Plus, ‘From the Hague’ boxed your ears. Nothing too complicated about that. Chronology is pretty damning. Unless, of course, you can’t see reality because there’s too much sauerkraut in your system.

    Time out, L.K.

    I know your sacred anniversaries approach. I want to be sensitive. Do you celebrate the 20th or 30th April? Or both? I prefer the 30th of course, when der Führer blew his own brains out after helping new Frau Eva kill herself. What a guy! Such a sad end, eh, wenig hemmaroid? Not quite a Wagnerian hero, but we all can’t have courage. Even if we’ve done our best to kill tens of millions. Look on the bright side. To his credit, St-Adolf did order others to kill tens of millions. And when the tables turned, he even wanted to kill his own people. How you must admire him!

    Joseph Goebbels must be a close second. Joe killed himself after shooting Magda. Who, good wife that she was, poisoned their six children. Another act of courage.

    Funny so many of St-Adolf’s lieutenants attempted to conceal their identity on capture. Some, like loyal Heinrich even committed suicide. Why, L.K? Were they ashamed of what they’d done? At least Hermann stuck it out through Nüremberg, then poisoned himself (another act of courage). Pity they all didn’t do it in ‘33. It would have saved a lot of lives. But nobody’s perfect.

    Advice on the number of candles to light? You might want to confer with Jacues/Jacques if he’s now decided on how to spell his screen name. BTW I wish you the best in your annual rendition of the Horst-Wessel-Lied. Still singing soprano?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @L.K
  451. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama

    The HOMEBUILDERS ASSOC. isn’t advocating invasion of foreign countries.

    So, yet again:

    http://mediaed.org/occupationmovie/

    Occupation of the American Mind
    A look at the information wars waged by Israel and its supporters to win the hearts and minds of the American people.

  452. Talha says:
    @Incitatus

    Hey Incitatus,

    You mentioned Goering. I’ve been a big fan of Richtofen since I was a kid – I did a report on him when I was in grade school. He remains a hero of mine. Goering ended up taking over the elite ‘Flying Circus’ squadron in WW1.

    Part of me is torn in wondering what would have happened had the Red Baron lived into WW2. There is no doubt in my mind that he would have been asked to lead the Luftwaffe if not already in charge. Would he have eventually sat in the chair Goering sat in at Nuremburg?

    His personality was different than Goering’s for sure – but one wonders…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
    , @Anon
    , @Talha
  453. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Incitatus

    Keith Says:

    “You don’t need any Persians – you do it to yourself”.

    In a court of law -I would stand up and say “I Object!”

    Why can’t you just for once not attack the person who has boxed you into a
    corner?

    Why can’t you provide a direct response. I am only asking for evidence in the Alleged biggest
    murder case in history…. and All I get from you is personal attacks. Why?

    Why? The same reason why the Jews in the Shoah business push for laws criminalizing
    the free speech rights of people who challenge the HOLOHOX.

    I don’t lose sleep at night thinking about the Big Lie. I lose sleep when
    our Zio warmongers create a new Frankenstein (Hitler)… who is it now ? Assad, Putin? and start wars. The Jewish NeoCons are putting all humanity in danger. A good reason to lose sleep.

    The unreliable Raul Hildberg didn’t provide any autopsies to support
    industrilized mass murder, why should I expect to get any from you and your band of propagandists? All I expect, and get, is personal attacks.

    The Jewish Zionists tricks, they do it all the time. They don’t work.

    • Agree: L.K
  454. Incitatus says:
    @L.K

    Wenig hemmaroid!

    Such damning words. I’m sad, indeed, to see it’s come to this. Bored with trying to prop up Wilhelm II on ‘War to End all Peace”? He really was a consummate scum bag, so I don’t blame you. Vent as you feel necessary. We’re all concerned for you.

    Now may be a good time to consult your therapist. Check first with your herpetologist, of course (can’t be too careful). Suggestion: try to get a group rate with Anon/Keith, Jacues/Jacques, and the whole Bund.

    Enough said.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @iffen
  455. L.K says:
    @Incitatus

    Fun to watch inZitatus’ total meltdown!!
    Bottom line; you got nothing, scumbag! But we both already knew that!
    :-)

  456. Incitatus says:
    @Talha

    Hello Talha,

    Richtofen was actually ‘von Richtofen’ – a noble. The NSDAP (coming to power years later) was dedicated to eliminating such distinctions (and their legacy). ‘Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Führer” (one empire, one people, one leader). Hitler and Göring weren’t noble, nor were most of their government.

    Richtofen was, I think, one of the innocents summoned on all sides in WW1 to service national honor. A 20C ritter or chevalier. Unfortunately, technology afforded their masters the capacity to wage industrial scale killing. And kill they all did. God forgive us.

    The 20 July ‘44 plot was mostly noble. I sometimes wonder if they knew the war was lost (having reaped the rewards until then), or if they genuinely regretted Nazi aggression from the beginning.

    Would Manfred have partnered with Hitler? I don’t think so. But I could be wrong.

    Best.

  457. L.K says:
    @Sam Shama

    Well, what can I say, Sham, you ARE a fucking liar, and most people here – except the hasbarists/ zio scumbags/miserable shabbos goyim – know that fully well.

  458. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    I haven’t read in detail on Goering’s trial, but a quick survey shows charges mostly only tenuously related to his position as chief of the Air Force. I’m also not sure how high von Richtofen would have risen; certainly high, but the Hitlerian inner circle was made up of mostly dedicated Nazis, and one thing that strikes me is that I can’t think of any who were much of anything before Hitler’s rise to power. I mean, Goering was a good pilot, but not up to von Richtofen’s level.

    So my best guess is that, whatever rank the Baron achieved, both his presence in Hitler’s inner circle and his trial or execution after the war would depend on whether or not he became an ardent Nazi.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
    , @iffen
  459. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    Keith says:

    “Wrong again. You don’t understand how the Anglophere works.

    Yes I do! We just have a different name for it.

    The Jews own the world economy.

    Are you now promoting conspiracy theories?

    “The German Bundesbank would not pass wind without the Fed’s permission”.

    If I said this I would be called a AntiSemite.

    Do you really think I don’t know this?

    This is why I stated ” If only Americans knew”.

    American hasn’t had a non Jew as the chairman of the Federal Reserve during my life time. I know, meritocracy. No Gentile has the education or the brains to do the job.

    The Federal Reserve is not American and they have no reserves. All they have is a casino. A big Ponzi scheme.

    Many people know Wall Street is a Jewish cottage industry.

    We are in the Communication phase of the American revolution.

    When I write on Unz, the information I disseminate isn’t for you and the masters of the universe and the little Jews. It is for Americans.

    By bringing out your responses, all I do is let you warn Americans of the fifth column.

    Thank you for the Fed response.

    I am well aware we are living in the Jew Word Order. Why call it the Anglosphere?

    Is this why Jews change their names to Anglo names? Kind of like hiding the Jewish criminals in Brighton Beach Brooklyn by calling them the Russian mob.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @L.K
    , @anarchyst
  460. L.K says:
    @Incitatus

    ‘From the Hague’?? pffffHAHAHAHAHAHA
    sniff, sniff, I smell desperation and…. BS.
    Neither the clown ‘From the Hague’ nor you and you little lame gang of zionist propagandists have ever laid a hand on me. Ever.
    I noticed you avoided van Pelts’ interview and other stuff that was fully sourced but tried to nitpick something re the quotes from that miserable shabbos goy, Browning, and another one from Pelt. You should not have. Christopher Browning, The Origins of the Final Solution: The Evolution of Nazi Jewish Policy, September 1939-March 1942 (University of Nebraska Press and Yad Vashem :-) , 2004), p.544 note.169:“…the testimonies of especially Höss and to some extent Eichmann are confused, contradictory, self-serving, and not credible.” I woudn’t say self-serving, but the rest is correct. Now, for the serial plagiarist, Robert Jan van Pelt, ‘The Case for Auschwitz: Evidence from the Irving Trial’, p.5:
    “The evidence for the role of Treblinka, Belzec, and Sobibor[...] is much less abundant(than Auschwitz).”There are very few eyewitnesses, no confession that can compare to that given by Höss, no significant remains, and few archival sources.
    Jan van Pelt has however admitted in an interview to the Canadian STAR, 27 December 2009, that “We have no material or forensic evidence to support eyewitness reports of gassings…
    Ninety-nine per cent of what we know we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove
    . So, the evidence for Auschwitz is next to nothing – plus there is abundant evidence refuting the hoax – but the evidence for the Aktion Reinhardt camps is, according to Pelty himself, even much less than at Auschwitz, which is close to zero. It should be noted that the holohoax is essentially based on lie-witness, ahem, eyewitness testimony, either captured SS camp personnel or former inmates. As I said, Höss testimony is complete nonsense and the reason is that the man was tortured into ‘confessing’. How do I know? For one thing bc Höss himself wrote about it before execution – he was tortured by the brits and the Poles – but also, because confirmation has come with the publication in England of a book containing the name of the chief torturer, a British sergeant, and a description by the torturer of the circumstances of Höss’s arrest, as well as his torture. The book is ‘Legions of Death’ by Rupert Butler, published in 1983.

  461. Incitatus says:
    @Anon

    “I haven’t read in detail on Goering’s trial, but a quick survey shows charges mostly only tenuously related to his position as chief of the Air Force.”

    True. He was the allies’s greatest gift as head of the Luftwaffe – a total incompetent (thank God).

    Crimes? The merry romp after ‘33 rounding up NS enemies and imprisoning/killing them? Look at Göring’s role as Reichsstatthalter von Prußland. Look up Dollfuß. Partnership with Adolf extorting Austrian ‘union’.

    To say nothing of his singular distinction as one of history’s greatest looters. You name it, Hermann wanted to steal it. And so he did.

    “You know my husband. He is not a man obsessed by hatred. He only wanted to enjoy life and let other people enjoy it.”
    -Frau Emmy Göring, 23 Mar 1946 Nüremberg [Gilbert 213]

    Emmy was quite human, if Gilbert is to be believed. Aren’t we all? Hermann, on the other hand, didn’t lose any sleep killing tens of millions in his selfless quest to “enjoy life and let other people enjoy it”.

    Of course, Nazi stalwarts should also ponder this: Hermann was declared a traitor by St-Adolf before the latter blew his own brains out. What more do you need?

  462. L.K says:

    Re Höss’ torture at the hands of the British as reported in the book ‘Legions of Death’, for which the author interviewed some of the torturers, Prof. Faurisson writes:

    The prisoner[Höss] was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless.
    Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: “Call them off, unless you want to take back a corpse.”
    A blanket was thrown over Höss and he was dragged to Clarke’s car, where the sergeant poured a substantial slug of whisky down his throat. Then Höss tried to sleep.
    Clarke thrust his service stick under the man’s eyelids and ordered in German: “Keep your pig eyes open, you swine.”
    …The party arrived back at Heide around three in the morning. The snow was swirling still, but the blanket was torn from Höss and he was made to walk completely nude through the prison yard to his cell. (p. 237)

    So it is that Bernard reveals “It took three days to get a coherent statement out of [Höss]” (ibid.). This admission was corroborated by Mr. Ken Jones in an article in the Wrexham Leader. (October 17,1986): Mr. Ken Jones was then a private with the fifth Royal Horse Artillery stationed at Heid[e) in Schleswig-Holstein. “They brought him to us when he refused to cooperate over questioning about his activities during the war. He came in the winter of 1945/6 and was put in a small jail cell in the barracks,” recalls Mr. Jones. Two other soldiers were detailed with Mr. Jones to join Höss in his cell to help break him down for interrogation. “We sat in the cell with him, night and day, armed with axe handles. Our job was to prod him every time he fell asleep to help break down his resistance,” said Mr. Jones. When Höss was taken out for exercise he was made to wear only jeans and a thin cotton shirt in the bitter cold. After three days and nights without sleep, Höss finally broke down and made a full confession to the authorities.
    Clarke’s statement, obtained under the conditions just described by bullies of British Military Security under the brutal inspiration of sergeant-interpreter Bernard Clarke, became Höss’s first confession, the original confession indexed under the number NO-1210.

    Interesting how the torture methods are remarkably similar to recent cases, say, Zamerican torturers in the fraudulent “war on terror”.
    Anyway, no wonder Höss ‘confessed’ and that his ‘testimony’ is ‘confused’ and ‘not credible’.

  463. iffen says:
    @RobinG

    (hint – they manufacture it to stay in business)

    Perhaps, I question some of the stuff I see in this little rabbit hole.

    Does not deal with the fact that they get a lot of “free” stuff.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  464. iffen says:
    @Anon

    both his presence in Hitler’s inner circle and his trial or execution after the war would depend on whether or not he became an ardent Nazi.

    Are we bored trying to figure out who are present day Nazis? Do we want to go back in time and try to decide whether some historical figure would have been a Nazi? And not just an ordinary Nazi but a good one.

  465. L.K says:

    I should add that Höss is NOT an isolated case. For example, British journalist Alan Moorehead, described the treatment of some of the Belsen camp personnel after the british takeover:[Essay by A. Moorehead, “Belsen,” in: Cyril Connolly, ed., The Golden Horizon, pp. 105–106.]

    As we approached the cells of the SS guards, the [British] sergeant’s language become ferocious. “We had had an interrogation this morning,” the captain said. ‘I’m afraid they are not a pretty sight.’ … The sergeant unbolted the first door and … strode into the cell, jabbing a metal spike in front of him. “Get up,” he shouted. “Get up. Get up, you dirty bastards.” There were half a dozen men lying or half lying on the floor. One or two were able to pull themselves erect at once. The man nearest me, his shirt and face spattered with blood, made two attempts before he got on to his knees and then gradually on to his feet. He stood with his arms stretched out in front of him, trembling violently.
    “Come on. Get up,” the sergeant shouted [in the next cell]. The man was lying in his blood on the floor, a massive figure with a heavy head and bedraggled beard … “Why don’t you kill me?” he whispered. “Why don’t you kill me? I can’t stand it any more.” The same phrases dribbled out of his lips over and over again. “He’s been saying that all morning, the dirty bastard,” the sergeant said.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Incitatus
  466. @Anon

    “We are in the Communication phase of the American revolution.”

    I think we’re actually in the propaganda and economic destruction phase of WWIII , but if the revolution that you speak of were to come first then the war that I speak of might possibly be averted. We can only hope.

  467. iffen says:
    @Incitatus

    We’re all concerned for you.

    No we’re not.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  468. iffen says:
    @L.K

    Aww, man. This is horrible. This is terrible, so sad. This changes everything!

    Heil Hitler!

  469. L.K says:

    So, what about the so called, ‘survivor’s’ testimonies? As I said, the holohoax is almost entirely dependent on ‘witness testimonies’. It must be noted that, in fact, people truly having claimed eyewitness status are often merely repeating rumors by others. For example, in what I can think as the only instance where former camp prisoners were actually truly cross-examined, during the first Zündel trial, a Jewish ‘eyewitness’ from Auschwitz, one Arnold Friedman, ended up admitting he had only repeated rumors, hearsay, re alleged mass murder at the camp, i.e, he had not really witnessed squat!
    The Jew Samuel Gringauz, who survived the war in the ghetto of Kaunas, Lithuania, wrote the following, in regards to the literature produced by the survivors:

    “The hyper-historical complex may be described as judeocentric, lococentric and egocentric. It concentrates historical relevance on Jewish problems of local events und