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President Donald Trump makes a point of insisting that he has nothing against the Iranian people and is only interested in opposing what he regards as the dangerous activities of their government, but his own record in office belies that claim. It is clear that what he is trying to do is put pressure on the people of Iran to rise up and force a change in government, a process otherwise referred to as regime change. Indeed, if one is to believe Trump confidant Rudy Giuliani, the White House is now committed to “bring down the Iranian regime.” He added that “The collapse of the Islamic Republic of Iran is around the corner.”

Giuliani was addressing a Paris meeting of the National Council of Resistance of Iran at the end of June, the political front group for the terrorist Mujahideen-e-Khalq, for which he has been a frequent paid speaker. This dream of an abrupt transition in government is a fantasy project that is widely held within neoconservative and pro-Israel circles in Washington, to include Giuliani, and it very often is invoked as part of what is sometimes referred to as the “Obama betrayal,” which posits that if President Barack Obama had actively supported so-called “green” reformers in the Iranian election of 2013, they might have actually won. That supposition greatly inflates the actual support for the reformers at that time and also currently, confusing a largely civil rights movement with a unified political party.

Obama then went on to sign the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) nuclear agreement with Iran, which has been a target of joint Israeli and neocon wrath ever since. Trump, of course, has risen to the bait and has withdrawn the United States from the deal, also reintroducing both general and targeted sanctions as well as seeking to ban the sale of Iranian oil worldwide.

Unfortunately, as is so often the case, Trump and his advisers, certainly to include National Security Adviser John Bolton, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley and Senior Adviser for Policy Stephen Miller, are engaging in the wrong tactics to bring about any what might reasonably be regarded positive changes to moderate the grip of Iran’s Supreme Religious Council and are instead hardening domestic popular support for the government through the threats and sanctions which ultimately accomplish little more than punishing the Iranian people.

Oddly, the White House seems unaware of the fact that Iran is neither Libya nor Iraq. It has a strong and historic national identity that means that it does and will resist being bullied by outside powers, including the “leader of the free world” United States. The neocon and pro-Israel script that has evidently taken control of Trump pushes all the wrong buttons as it basically employs an increasing number and severity of sanctions to seek to wreck the economy and create discord in Iran that will eventually bring people out into the streets in large numbers. That means in practice using not only sanctions that selectively targeting “bad guys” like the Revolutionary Guards but also benign institutions that exist to maintain social stability inside the country.

Reports from inside Iran suggest that the renewed and additional sanctions are already hurting the Iranian people while at the same time having little impact on the government commitment to remain in Syria, which is the principal bone of contention at the moment vis-à-vis the joint U.S./Israeli/Saudi grossly exaggerated and self-serving assessment of what Iran may or may not be doing to destabilize the Middle East.

Two organizations which have recently come under sustained attack by the neocons and their allies are the “Execution of Imam Khomeini’s Order” (EIKO) and its associated Barakat Foundation. The EIKO’s principal mission is to help poor families in Iran and to perform other charitable works, but it has been assailed as a major economic resource controlled by the Supreme Religious Leader Ayatollah Khamenei’s office, which misrepresents how the foundation is organized and functions.

Leading the charge against EIKO, inevitably, has been renowned neocon Canadian import and Iranophobe Mark Dubowitz, Chief Executive of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD), who has described how the Iranian leadership controls a vast business empire which must be targeted with U.S. sanctions to punish the government and strip it of the resources available to make mischief.

This campaign, spearheaded by Dubowitz and his associate Saeed Ghasseminejad, has been going on since Trump was elected, with the folks at FDD confident they had a friend in the White House.

Other outlets in the pro-neocon-inclined and friendly to Israel media have also picked up on the theme that Iran must be the target of what amounts to economic warfare. The National Interest recently ran an article advocating the imposition of oil sanctions on Iran in general while also targeting EIKO in particular in order to “change Iran’s behavior,” which is presumed by the authors to be very bad though without any real explanation of why that is so.

And the U.S. Congress is also in on the act. As is nearly always the case, the U.S. House of Representative’s Oversight and Government Reform Committee’s subcommittee on National Security sought expert testimony on how to punish Iran but only looked for speakers who were inclined to take a hard line. They received that kind of enlightenment from the FDD’s own Richard Goldberg, who is hardly a disinterested observer on the subject.

Goldberg begins by making his case for bipartisan ire directed against Tehran, gushing about how “[he] had the privilege to work with many talented people – Democrats and Republicans – who shared a passion for keeping America and our allies safe from the long list of threats posed by the Islamic Republic of Iran. Together, we put forward numerous bipartisan bills to increase the pressure on Iran. …It is my sincere hope that we can find a way to resuscitate the bipartisan spirit that once infused this important national security issue.”

Goldberg, who is a bit vague on exactly what kind of “long list of threats” Iran represents, was senior foreign policy adviser to Israel-firster hawk former Senator Mark Kirk of Illinois. He celebrates in his FDD bio how “[he] was instrumental in the deployment of a U.S. missile defense radar to the Negev Desert – the first-ever full-time deployment of U.S. forces in Israel. In the Senate, Rich emerged as a leading architect of the toughest sanctions imposed on the Islamic Republic of Iran. He was the lead Republican negotiator for three rounds of sanctions targeting the Central Bank of Iran, the SWIFT financial messaging service and entire sectors of the Iranian economy.”

There has been some pushback against the war-by-sanctions approach currently being advanced by the Trump Administration. Robert Fontina of Counterpunch has rejected the depiction of EIKO as anything but a charitable foundation. The truth is that EIKO engages in major social projects, including rural poverty alleviation, empowering women, home and school building, and provision of healthcare. American sanctions against it and similar entities hit ordinary Iranians’ lives by producing food insecurity while also restricting the supplies of needed medications. Ahmad Noroozi of the Barakat Foundation claims that numerous Iranians have already been affected by U.S.-initiated sanctions directed against his country, restricting access to cancer treatments and other pharmaceuticals. And it is all aimed at fomenting social unrest and ultimately regime change.

Iranian writer Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich, no friend of the Iranian government, has declared that American sanctions directed against the Iranian economy and people are little more than “sanctioned terrorism.” Her assessment is undeniably correct.

It is indeed disturbing that the abandonment of the rule of law by the Trump Administration and its allies in the media has meant that Washington is resorting more and more to sanctions as an extreme form of punishment in order to enforce its geopolitical demands. Countries that oppose Washington’s policies are now routinely subjected to financial and trade penalties. Cuba, North Korea, and Iran have recently been joined by Russia and Syria as targets of the U.S. Treasury Department. Even America’s European allies and friends are being threatened if they seek to buy Iranian oil or cooperate with Russian energy initiatives.

The sad fact is that the pretense of U.S. global leadership now consists of a basket of new “rules” that are both arbitrary and basically illegal supported by pretexts that are essentially fabricated. Consider the frequent fallacious designation of Iran as “the world’s biggest state sponsor of terrorism” and the repeated false assertions from U.S. and Israeli government sources that Tehran is secretly building a nuclear bomb. Trump has become effectively the mouthpiece of Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu, with the latter calling the shots. Shortly after Trump had announced American withdrawal from JCPOA, Israel mounted a series of deadly air strikes against Syria, specifically targeting Iranian military personnel present by invitation in the country to fight ISIS and other terrorist groups. It was an incident that could have rapidly escalated into a broader war, which was clearly the Israeli intention.

There are deadly consequences to following the Israeli and Saudi lead into a possible major war with Iran. If sanctions produce desperation inside Iran, an apparent breakdown in order could easily invite a hypocritical U.S. and Israeli “humanitarian” intervention, possibly escalating into an international conflict, something that the White House appears to not understand. As is often the case, the Trump Administration has not developed sufficient maturity to appreciate that if one pushes hard against a certain country or group of countries there will be an equally strong reaction, and the results might not be pretty. Punishing the Iranian people without any real understanding of what might emerge in pursuit of nebulous political objectives just might not be a good idea.

 
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  1. Jake says:

    The Saudis don’t care what comes next in Iran, as long as Shia Islam is battered into submission. The Israelis don’t care as long as what comes next is subservient to Israel. The US wants only that Iran bows to the WASP Empire, the Anglo-Zionist Empire.

    All 3 would be happy with Satan Jr ruling Iran with the brutality of Stalin times Pol Pot and the sexual morality of the North American Man Boy Love Association, as long as Satan Jr is anti-Shia and pro-Saudi, pro-Israeli, and pro-WASP.

  2. From neocons’ perspective, Iran is guilty twice. First, just like much bigger and stronger Russia and China, it refuses to toe the line of Washington Politburo. Second, unlike Saudi Arabia, it refuses to toe the Israeli line, as well. However, neocons will be frustrated for two reasons: 1. Russia and China won’t sell out Iran; 2. Neither Israel, nor even the US can succeed in war of aggression against it. So, neocons have two options: either keep gnashing their teeth impotently, or spur the US or Israel on to suicide. They are afraid of both options. Hence the hysterics.

  3. Talha says:
    @Jake

    Sounds about right. What a crazy alliance.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Jake
  4. First will come the false flag attacks…Iranian govt gassing its own people, the pcitures of dying children, old people, then the proxies will follow mass demonstrations in Iran, strikes, hunger, carbombs, and massacres,,,,Human Rights Watch, Amnesty international, and the European parliament will push for Nato, and the UN to respond, France will be the first out demanding in the UN Security Council swift actions against Iran to prevent a new Holocauts, Nicky Haley (US-UN) will support the measure fully. NO need for verification the AP, CNN, CBS, BBC already reporting fake stories as facts. The key for Iran will be to rally its population not to enter into a Iran vrs. its own people narrative. Iranian people must hold it together with mass public support of its govt an MILITARY. Israel will stay in the shadows intensely working undercover from Syria, Irak, Turkey, even launching air attacks on Iran while denying any involment absolutely…etc. If Iran is attacked they must build alliances with Hezbollah, Syria, Hamas, and activate Irans proxies abroad. Will Russia side with Iran? what about the Chinese? both actively trading with Israel to overcome ironically USA sanctions trigger by the AIPAC. Both China, Russia are the wild cards…maybe? …The bloodbath will start, tye USA will deploy its troops already in Jordan, Syria, the name, the word Israel will disappeared from any news cast, then the NBC, Dsicovery Channel, CNN, National Geography will run marathon specials bout evil Iran, the new Nazis, and the news about the coming Holocaust…the new prophecies of Nostradamus peredicting that Israel must not be abandoned..etc. The outcome of the WWIII will decide the future of the MEast, with/out Palestine vrs. Greater Israel, …will Israel become the energy, HUB for Europe and hence enslave the European economies??? will the Saudis become a proxy state for Israel…Can the USA afford another costly long protracted war in the Globe??will americans WAKE up, will the military be overexpanded, ….A new global REalignmnet of the a new global order…what will it look like…?? WHO wins/loses???

  5. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Jake

    Pro-Vatican not pro-WASP… it’s an anti-WASP alliance.

    Erik Prince and the Case for Active, Documented Collusion Against Iran

    The Intercept
    Published on Jun 2, 2018
    Jeremy Scahill breaks down the Trump Tower meeting Blackwater founder Erik Prince set up with a representative of the Saudi and Emirati royals and an Israeli who runs propaganda and media manipulation operations.

    There is one major common link that runs through the agenda of all the participants in this Trump Tower meeting, and it is one which has gotten very little attention. And that is their shared hatred of Iran and their desire for regime change.

    We shouldn’t force everything into the box of Russia, Russia, Russia, especially when the evidence is so overwhelming that there are also motives relating to Iran that may explain part of the agenda that these nations and Erik Prince were pushing when they embarked on a campaign to secretly support Donald Trump’s election.

    Very important information to be aware of in this context:

    Jorjani’s connection in/with the White House was probably the (Catholic) Bannon-Gorka-Flynn nexus, plus people like Erik Prince were probably in the mix, too. I think they wanted to hostilely take over the Alt Right, but then were probably distracted by the entire Russian collusion delusion drama, and left Jorjani high and dry

    https://www.unz.com/forum/undercover-with-the-alt-right/#comment-2015468

    https://altright.com/2017/09/21/the-departure-of-jason-jorjani/

    Jason has always strongly identified with what he calls the Iranian Renaissance movement. Jason informed us that, after Charlottesville, he had been given an ultimatum: leave the Alt-Right or leave the Iranian resistance. It reveals much that Jason preferred the interests of a Middle Eastern country over a movement that represents the identities of White people in America and Europe. As his strange airing of dirty laundry reveals, he valued the Alt-Right as a means of advancing Iran.

    The Iranian Renaissance is an attempt to de-Islamify Iran and return it to its Aryan and even Zoroastrian roots, making the country a staunch ally of Europe and identitarian movements. Laudable . . . quixotic . . . perhaps dangerously de-stabilizing . . . I ultimately find this movement utterly dispensable to our broader goals. My personal instincts are towards realism, and I would have no qualm with European states having diplomatic, respectful relations with the current Iranian regime. Haven’t we had enough “regime change” in the Middle East to fill a lifetime?

    https://www.unz.com/forum/undercover-with-the-alt-right/#comment-2015987

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @FKA Max
  6. utu says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Russia and China won’t sell out Iran

    Russia will.

  7. An intriguing development in the recent popular unrest in Iran has been the appearance of demonstrators shouting slogans in support of Reza Pahlavi. It is not clear to me to whom these referred, whether the cy-devant Crown Prince (son of the late shah) or his grandfather, the founder of the Pahlavi dynasty. At any rate there seems to be the revival of some monarchist sentiment, perhaps reflecting a sense that however authoritarian he may have been, the late shah was less oppressive than the current theocracy.

    If a parallel could be drawn between the late shah and any other historical ruler, it would have to be Charles I. Khomeini was the parallel to Cromwell, and the present government of mullahs and crazed militiamen parallels that of the Protectorate after Oliver’s death.

    Were our government as adept as that of Louis XIV was in the 17th century, it would identify a senior officer in the Iranian military to play the role of Monck, get him to overthrow the mullahs, and restore Reza II to the Peacock Throne, as Monck restored Charles II.

    The U.S. foreign policy establishment have not, it seems to me, considered the usefulness of constitutional monarchy as a stabilising force in a new parliamentary democracy. The late king of Afghanistan offered to go to that poor country after the Taliban government were deposed, to convene aloya jirga (tribal council) to work out some settlement that might return the region to some sort of peace and order. He was well enough respected to have succeeded, but his offer was rebuffed. A friend of mine asked some people he knew at the State Department why. They responded, essentially, that “we don’t do monarchies.” The foreign policy establishment instead installed its candidate, Karzai. We know how that worked out.

    • Replies: @Winifred
  8. Punishing for what ?
    Throwing off the USA yoke ?

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  9. @AnonFromTN

    One more reason, not being sure if Iran does not already have nuclear weapons.
    I sometimes wonder if the Teheran regime would love to be attacked with atomic bombs, THE excuse for literally wiping Israel off the map.
    The story about the 90 atomic bombs that disappeared in Ukraine in 1990 has faded away, as that just in 2005 Iran succeeded in breaking the locks.
    If it is true, I do not know.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @AnonFromTN
  10. Someone says:
    @utu

    Russia is the vending machine of international politics…and they will sooo sooo sell Iran out to their Western partners…I agree.

  11. @utu

    What is Russia supposed to get in return ?
    Something like half the world’s oil passes through the Straits of Hormuz, a few Silk Worm missiles are enough to sink a few tankers, and western life grinds to a halt.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  12. @Jake

    Both Saudi Arabia and Israel exist only because of USA support, politically, militarily, and, in the Israeli case, also financially.

  13. Clyde says:

    I see Iran doing a Venezuela like dive into failed nation status. Both nations blessed with crude oil riches, are finding a way to screw up a good thing. In Iran’s case you can blame the fat smelly mullahs who have set up family foundations to thieve off (skim off) the oil wealth.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  14. Epigon says:
    @utu

    Russia will.

    I don’t believe Russian control clique harbors any delusions on the future prospects of Russia if it continues to yield and withdraw.
    Making a geopolitical stand in Ukraine, Syria and a bit under-the-counter, in Serbia, points towards it.

    There is a large difference between letting Iran carry Syria and call the shots there, and allowing Iran to be annihilated by Russia’s eternal enemies.

    Besides, China is overly reliant on economic cooperation with the West to pursue a confrontationist policy regarding Iran or any other distant issue in the world, as a matter of fact.

  15. Tyrion 2 says: • Website

    Israel mounted a series of deadly air strikes against Syria, specifically targeting Iranian military personnel present by invitation in the country to fight ISIS and other terrorist groups. It was an incident that could have rapidly escalated into a broader war, which was clearly the Israeli intention.

    Israeli intention was clearly to ensure that the Iranians don’t stay in Syria after the government wins the civil war. Other supporters of the Iranian withdrawal include Russia and Assad’s government itself.

    There are endless examples in history of military allies who turned up to help, never left and ended up as the colonial power. Does Giraldi recognise that the Iranian government is not one you would want having military dominance over your country?

    Also, you refer to America refusing to trade with Iran, a country that calls America “Satan”, as “terrorism”. Is it always “terrorism” when you refuse to trade with someone? Or is it only “terrorism” on the basis of some sort of who whom thing? Are there rules for determining it? I’m asking for a friend?

  16. Bolton, Dubowitz, Israel, Giuliani, Miller, Israel, Kirk, Pompeo, Haley, Israel, Trump, etc etc.

    Bottom line: Israel wants Iran taken down. Washington obeys.

    • Replies: @Frankie P
  17. defab says:

    The neocon and Israeli script has not taken control of Trump at all. Trump promised Israel a war with Iran if he were elected president and he is in the process of making good on his promise.

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  18. @defab

    Not correct defab – Trump did promise to end PCPOA, which he has done, but he also promised to put an end to useless wars in the Middle East, which he has not done. He is now listening to neocon advisers, to include Giuliani, Haley and Bolton, who are telling him what needs to be done to bring about regime change in Iran.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Uncle Sam
  19. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @jilles dykstra

    I sometimes wonder if the Teheran regime would love to be attacked with atomic bombs, THE excuse for literally wiping Israel off the map.

    You’re insane.

  20. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @Philip Giraldi

    He’s started no new wars and he seems to me to be trying to finish/leave those started under previous administrations.

    This is pretty good. What would you do?

    • Replies: @Frankie P
  21. Winifred says:
    @Crawfurdmuir

    As Ron Paul has pointed out, isn’t it more likely that the pro-Shah rhetoric of the demonstrators is simply a giveaway sign of the Washington/CIA script they’re following?

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
  22. Question is, after nearly two decades of constant war, will the US military forces have the stomach for another invasion and occupation, replete with IEDs and terrorist resistance? Can the US simply topple the govt and leave a mess behind? What’s the game plan?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @anonymous
  23. Talha says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Other supporters of the Iranian withdrawal include Russia and Assad’s government itself.

    So the Syrian government asked Israel to run air sorties over its territory? You know kind of like it has asked Russia to.

    Do Israelis know what is best for Syria’s future better than Syrians?

    I’m also asking for a friend.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  24. @jilles dykstra

    Sure. If by Western life you mean that in China. What do you think would happen to life in Iran were that rather simplistic arrangement to come about?

    Here lies the true importance of Pax Americana and the main unspoken mission of the US military. Maintain the stable flow of Middle Eastern crude exports to the world and stable ship-born commerce.

    The United States itself gets very little of its energy supplied from the Gulf. But Europe and Asia are dependent on this – and therefore peace.

    A month-long closure of the Straits would have little dramatic consequence in the US. the amount of oil in pipelines, on tankers, in refineries, and in storage would dampen any short term effects. Panic can be managed

    A nuclear strike on Ras Tanura is a different story.

    But life in Iran? What do you think would happen to life in Iran were Tehran to carry out its threats?

  25. padre says:

    You keep amazing me!What a hypocrisy, when you march with god on your side, your president makes his oath on the bible, it is great, but when somebody else does some similar thing it is outrageous!Who do you think you are?

  26. @Tyrion 2

    There are endless examples in history of military allies who turned up to help, never left and ended up as the colonial power.

    The USA?

  27. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @Talha

    I didn’t say any of that.

    • Replies: @Talha
  28. Frankie P says:
    @mark green

    Mark,

    Washington obeys when the objective is realistic. I’m of the opinion that the costs and risks involved in taking Iran down are too high. It could cause the implosion of the global economy, the beginning of the collapse of the house of cards. Stirring up some protests in Iran will do nothing. A military attack on Iran will result in the fall of Israel, missile attacks on American bases in the region, and most certainly the closing of the Strait of Hormuz.

    (((They))) are powerful, but certainly not omnipotent.

    Frankie P

  29. @Winifred

    As Ron Paul has pointed out, isn’t it more likely that the pro-Shah rhetoric of the demonstrators is simply a giveaway sign of the Washington/CIA script they’re following?

    That might be reasonable if there were any evidence of a serious effort by Washington or the CIA to restore the Iranian monarchy. There isn’t any, as far as I’vd been able to tell. The CIA and other elements of the deep state don’t turn on a dime, and to all appearances they were all in favor of Obama’s capitulation to the regime of the mullahs. I doubt that the Trump administration could orchestrate anti-government demonstrations in Iran no matter how hard it tried.

    • Replies: @MInnesota Mary
  30. Frankie P says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Tyrion,

    Watch Lavrov’s speech from last week, in which he points out that Iran was invited by the legitimate, recognized government of Syria. Please share a citation showing a Syrian official saying that they want Iran to leave or have requested Iran to leave. Hezbollah and Iran will help Syria recover every inch of Syrian territory, including the Golan Heights. The imbalance in power is disappearing as Syria, Hezbollah and Iran increase the numbers, accuracy and range of their missile arsenals. This, combined with the improved AD of the Syrians, due mostly to Russian cooperation, spells the sweet ending of the Israeli impunity. Israeli attack jets will continue to fall from the sky, and the response to attacks on Syria will be more missile attacks on military targets in the Golan Heights.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  31. neutral says:
    @Tyrion 2

    No the intention is ultimately to destroy Iran and replace it with a compliant puppet like they have in most of Europe and the USA.

    • Disagree: Tyrion 2
  32. Zionists have complete control of the U.S. gov and are using the U.S. to fight Israels wars and so the war against Iran is a done deal as any country Israel wants destroyed the U.S. does Israels bidding.

    Proof of Israels control of the U.S. gov is Israels and the zionist controlled deep states attack on 911 and the murder of 3000 Americans and Israel got away with it, that is control in spades.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Vidi
    , @tac
  33. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @Frankie P

    If you were Assad and you had finally regained full control of Syria, would you want the Iranian military to become too comfortable in your country?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Frankie P
  34. Talha says:
    @Tyrion 2

    OK cool – but you made it sound like Israel bombed Iranian targets in Syria out of the goodness of their hearts because they care about Syrian sovereignty.

    Sorry if I misread it, carry on…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  35. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @Talha

    No, Israel did it because they don’t want the Iranians there for their own reasons. They are lucky that the Syrians and Russians also don’t want them to remain. There is a temporary confluence of interest. I assume the Iranians have gotten the message.

  36. Z-man says:
    @FKA Max

    I don’t know about pro Vatican but definitely anti Christian. A pox on Neochoens!

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  37. @utu

    That’s a wet dream of Israel. But it won’t happen. The elites which support Putin in Russia and Xi in China understand that they are in a besieged fortress situation: a breach of any gate means that the fortress falls to the enemy. They won’t sell out even inconsequential places like Syria, Venezuela, or North Korea. Not because they are nice or heroic, but because of correctly understood self-interest.

  38. @jilles dykstra

    I don’t know. Iran certainly needs nukes, as the comparison of the fates of Saddam and Ghaddafi, neither of whom had WMDs, with that of Un, who has nukes, clearly shows. Nukes are the only thing that can deter the US aggression against Iran, as the US never attacks anyone who has WMDs. After all, cowardice is the only quality of the US elites that is good for humankind.

  39. @Clyde

    You mean, as opposed to squeaky clean elites of the US and its vassals? LOL.

    • LOL: chris
  40. Z-man says:

    I’m still holding out hope for Trump. I’m thinking, to keep his Zionist flanks at bay he continues with his bellicose words while really being less war mongering, like he’s been on Korea. A cynical stance by Trump keeping Neochoens and shit libs like the Hollywood Elite off balanced in their attacks on him, since they’re all Israeli firsters. Then again I could be overestimating his political savvy however his lastest statement* on NATO, the EU and Vladimir has made me feel good.

    *Trump: Putin summit ‘may be easier’ than NATO, UK visit Speaking to reporters before departing the White House for the meetings in Europe, Trump said, “Frankly, Putin may be the easiest of them all.” Ya gotta love the guy as he’s making the Cabal squirm.

  41. edNels says:
    @Tyrion 2

    The Neo con dream is to get rid of Iran because it blocks the way for the incremental escalation of ISIS style asymmetric proxy forces to leap ahead and progress the Grand Chessboard scenario up into Central Asia, and Russia, and stop the Silk Road. Put the kibosh on that whole unwanted side show… Silk Road don’t make money for GM, or maybe it does, go figure.

  42. The saddest part of all this is that Trump is working so hard to please Israel by hurting the ancient enemy of the Jews, the Persians, and in return gets called a Nazi by the Jewish, which is to say mainstream, media who work tirelessly to undermine him and his government.

    So if he attacks Iran, he’s a Nazi. If he doesn’t attack Iran, he’s also a Nazi.

    If he’s going to be a Nazi anyway, why not just save all that American blood and money and leave Iran alone?

    • Agree: Talha
  43. renfro says:

    The advantage in looking at US – Iran history is you will then understand that all of it has been nothing but the brain farts of the ever changing interest of ever changing ideologues in ever changing administrations. If stupidity carried a death sentence the US would be six feet under.

    http://www.historycommons.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=Iran&events=on&entities=on&articles=on&topics=on&timelines=on&projects=on&titles=on&descriptions=on&dosearch=on&search=Go

    Iran

    700 events found.
    49 entities found.

  44. @Johnny Smoggins

    “So if he attacks Iran, he’s a Nazi. If he doesn’t attack Iran, he’s also a Nazi.”

    If doesn’t attack Iran, he probably won’t finish his mandate. He will be impeached.

    If he attacks, he will be a war president. A ” great president”. He will be re-elected. Like Bush Jr.

    American people love their “commander in chief”.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  45. Z-man says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Like I said, I hope he’s playing both sides against the middle and make a lot of noise vis a vis Iran but not attacking it. But we shall see, there are a lot of rabid dogs in his administration, Bolton, Miller, Haley and even ‘meathead’* Pompeo. Hopefully the Zio-cons don’t have total control.

    *Small ‘m’ as opposed to big ‘M’, Meathead Rob Reiner, LOL!!!

  46. Jake says:
    @Talha

    That is true, but you must stress that each exists first because of the British Empire. And you must stress that the CIA, the Mossad, and the Saudi General Intelligence Secretary are all children of British secret service.

    It is also essential to know that SAVAK, the Shah’s secret police organization, was founded by both branches of WASP secret service, Brit and American.

    By the start of the 19th century. the philo-Semitism that is central to WASP culture – due to the Judaizing heresy that was Anglo-Saxon Puritanism – had long left its specific religious origin and become more broadly cultural. With the deepening interest in all things ‘exotic’ and ‘oriental,’ it began to move from simply gravitating to backing Jews and Jewish notions against whatever rather obviously even seemed like it might be some remnant of Christendom. And that movement made a growing number of WASP Elites by the dawn of Victorianism pro-Arabic and pro-Islam.

    WASP culture has never lost any of its defining pro-Semitism, but the way the pro-Semitism has been expressed has altered. Since the 19th century, it has meant a battle within the WASP Elites between those who are pro-Jewish and those who are pro-Arabic/pro-Islamic.

    The alliance between Israel and Saudi Arabia is the ultimate wet dream of WASP Elites, because it represents peace and total cooperation between the two camps of philo-Semitism within WASP culture.

    • Replies: @Rogue
  47. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    There’s more to our trade war with China than Tubby the Grifter tweeting MAGA.

    China is being punished by tariffs because they are still buying oil from Iran. Trump is doing this to please our Overlord, Israel and to hell with the consequences for Americans.

    My fantasy is that one day, Americans wake up and realize who is our worst enemy. And it’s not Russia or China or some Islamic nation.

    Does ‘Lucky Larry’ Silverstein own any more asbestos-laden skyscrapers?

  48. nagra says:

    Iran is ‘Islamic Republic’ after all
    and as much I despise western foreign policy Iran is not so innocent in the whole game
    nor they are some ‘freedom fighters

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201807091066183920-irgc-commander-anti-israel-remarks/

  49. Virgile says:

    While Trump is succumbing to the neocons pressures to protect Israel by weakening Iran , Syria, Hezbollah, he has no intention to go to war.
    Trump is not Bush. He wants business deals, not war. So in appearance he is following the neocons in the ME, but he is not in the rest of the world: North Korea is a good example of Trump’s view of the world: Money and business. There is no money to be made in wars anymore ( “Keep the Iraqi oil fields”) Quite the contrary , there is money to waste. Therefore Trump will not use ‘diplomacy’ or ‘sticks to solve issues, he will use economical ‘carrots’ in a one to one deal.
    Trumpo hates ‘democratic groups, UN, EU, NAFTA, JCOA ,TAP, UNHCR etc. He wants to deal one to one, so he needs to torpedo these groups in any way possible.
    The Middle East big peace plan for Palestine and Israel is all about economical carrots..
    The trouble is that some countries do not respond to carrots, such as Iran or Syria. Then he needs to use sticks to weaken them. That is what we see with the Iran sanctions. Contrary to North Korea, Iran is no threat to the USA. It is a threat to the USA’s ally, Israel.
    Therefore Trump accepts the neocon pressure with the aim of weakening Iran so it stops been a threat to Israel and to accept to make business deals with the USA and not with France and Germany. Trump has no intention to push for a regime change either in Iran or North Korea.

    Contrary to Bush, Trump prefers using big carrots and small sticks!

  50. @utu

    Russia and China won’t sell out Iran

    Russia will.

    The oil states of Texas and North Dakota and Alaska and California and New Mexico and others would like to see President Trump bomb the shit out of both Iran and Saudi Arabia.

    Military experts would tell you that you could get more bang for your buck by bombing the shit out of the Saudi Arabian oil fields and facilities because they are all bunched up and Saudi Arabia couldn’t do much to retaliate. Iran could retaliate more effectively but not by much.

    US military jets could split the difference between Yemen and Oman, bomb the shit out of Saudi Arabian oil facilities, and then head over Iraq. The Russians would be cheering the US military on as they bomb the shit out of Saudi Arabian oil facilities.

    If you don’t think that greedy oil boys in the United States and Russia would love to see Iranian and Saudi Arabian oil taken offline by military means then you are not fully aware of the mischievousness of human nature.

    President Trump’s call to restrict Iranian oil has been met by cheers from the oil boys who want to profit from supply constrictions.

  51. peterAUS says:

    If sanctions produce desperation inside Iran, an apparent breakdown in order could easily invite a hypocritical U.S. and Israeli “humanitarian” intervention, possibly escalating into an international conflict, something that the White House appears to not understand.

    What is not to understand?

    The author is engaged in wishful thinking. Conflict with Iran is exactly what Washington wants, for several reasons.
    Several.

    There is a pattern here. Once a month we get into regurgitating the same old about the topic.

    Makes sense, in a peculiar way.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
    , @Vidi
  52. renfro says:

    for keeping America and our allies safe from the long list of threats posed by the Islamic Republic of Iran

    Such a joke.

    Notice that none of the neos ever say exactly what those ‘threats’ are……but make dummies believe that Iran is going to nuke the US.

    • Agree: Cloak And Dagger
  53. peterAUS says:
    @The Alarmist

    Can the US simply topple the govt and leave a mess behind? What’s the game plan?

    Yes.

    What’s the game plan?

    You already know what it is:
    “…….topple the govt and leave a mess behind”.

  54. peterAUS says:
    @Johnny Rico

    Yup.

    In any confrontation with Iran blocking of Hormuz will be a focal point from both sides.

    Most people around believe Iran can do it and use it as advantage in the conflict. A main advantage even.

    I don’t believe Iran can block the Hormuz and, well, as you say:

    …But life in Iran? What do you think would happen to life in Iran were Tehran to carry out its threats?

    On a serious note, it feels as most posters here pushing for strong Iranian response live nice middle class lives. Last time they had anything violent done to them was, I feel, some time in high school. They also obey all the laws, dutifully pay taxes, trudge in their jobs…all in all just being nice citizens of The Empire.
    And, the same types are quite happy to, ahm, cheer Iranian people to suffer the onslaught of US military might.
    Feels……interesting.
    In a hypocritical way, of sort.

    • Replies: @Per/Norway
    , @edNels
  55. Art says:

    Reports from inside Iran suggest that the renewed and additional sanctions are already hurting the Iranian people while at the same time having little impact on the government commitment to remain in Syria, which is the principal bone of contention at the moment vis-à-vis the joint U.S./Israeli/Saudi grossly exaggerated and self-serving assessment of what Iran may or may not be doing to destabilize the Middle East.

    Trump is going to blow up Iran for the Jews and the Saudis. There is no other way to look at this.

    He is going to turn the CIA loose on Iran. He is going to start bloody insurrections by pitting neighbor against neighbor – he is going to starve people – he is going to deny them medicine – he may even bomb them. He plans to hurt 60,000,000 people. WHY? Is this what America is all about? Have we learned nothing from blowing up Iraq?

    He does this to benefit other ideologies than Western Christianity – he does this for Zionism and Wahhabism – both are anti-Christian. They are two of the most backwards apartheid tribal movements on the planet – both perpetuating ancient old tribalism, the worst remnants of our primordial past. The most advanced nation on the planet, the indispensable one, the exceptional one – is saving two of the worst of humanity. How totally perverted.

    Trump says Iran (a country of minorities), is guilty of defending people who are being attacked by Jews and Saudis – Lebanon and Syria. Both countries are also made up of minorities. Zionism and Wahhabism are attacking all three of those minority nations.

    Iran is on the side of the minority good guys. Trump and the US deep state government, are on the side of the single tribe bad guys – the attackers of the weak.

    Thanks to the Jew control of America, we are helping the moneyed militarily strong against the weak.

    Our government’s values are upside down. We must get the Jews out of our government.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Art
    , @anonymous
  56. anon[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Satan is areligious term a religious idea . Why shall America advancing various secular non religious ideas will take umbrage at Iran for saying “Satan” ? Not long ago Jews were called Christ -Killer and called Shylock ,even anti Christ. America has various choicest reserved words for Iran (most of them are supplied by the Shylock ‘s fellow traveler .
    By the way “satan ” has not killed anybody but the practices of the Godly America has hurt killed destroyed large section of Iranian population.

    Israel intention?? Iran knows well what the intention has been since days of Rabin from 1995- to use America against Iran by using words like ‘Satan” and other default lies and falsehood . Will it move out of Syria? Hey but this the best chance of Israel to attack Iran and kill engineers scientists and declare all out war against Iran . Israel doesn’t have to fly 1000 miles.

    Oh I get it . Israel wants America does it!

    Why not if Iraq-job could be delegated to USA wth full Zionist supervision , why not Iran.

    Again if USA can come to Kuwait at the invitation of Kuwait, Iran can do same in Syria.

  57. anon[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    No I won’t But if S Korea can keep, Kuwait can keep , Syria I guess can . Alternative is Libya and the 24 hour non stop hand wringing by the Western elite bastards in the media and government and International court and Think thanks lamenting : ” what else can you do for these animals? We did everything but they won’t stop killing each other”

  58. @Johnny Smoggins

    The saddest part of all this is that Trump is working so hard to please Israel by hurting the ancient enemy of the Jews, the Persians,

    Was that a typo?

    Persians have been firmest friends to Jews for longest length of time.

    But your point about Trump’s no-win conundrum is spot-on.

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  59. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    He is going to turn the CIA loose on Iran. He is going to start bloody insurrections by pitting neighbor against neighbor – he is going to starve people – he is going to deny them medicine – he may even bomb them. He plans to hurt 60,000,000 people. WHY? Is this what America is all about? Have we learned nothing from blowing up Iraq?

    goshes, that sounds so “Judea Declares War On Germany”

  60. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Z-man

    Not anti-Christian at all, actually. The Prince and DeVos families are active and practicing Christians/Catholics.

    Erik Prince converted to Catholicism:

    He converted to Catholicism in 1992[50] and describes himself as a practicing member of the church.[28] [...] Prince is the younger brother of United States Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos,[59][60] and the brother-in-law of former Alticor (Amway) president Dick DeVos.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince#Personal_life

    Betsy DeVos, nee Prince, is a Neo-Calvinist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Calvinism

    he said DeVos is heavily influenced by Abraham Kuyper, a Dutch writer and Calvinist theologian.
    [...]
    He formulated the principle of antithesis: a divide between secular and religious politics. Liberals and socialists, who were opposed to mixing religion and politics were his natural opponents. Catholics were a natural ally, for not only did they want to practice religiously inspired politics, but they also were no electoral opponent, because they appealed to different religious groups.
    [...]
    I wonder what John Calvin would make of Abraham Kuyper’s and Betsy DeVos’ pro-Papacy politics and philosophy/theology?
    [...]
    It almost appears that Neo-Calvinism is to Calvinism, what Neo-Conservatism is to Conservatism.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1662808

    Theocratic Mercenary Erik Prince and the Christian Right

    The Prince family also has deep ties to the Council for National Policy (CNP) which, according to its vision statement, supports “a united conservative movement to assure, by 2020, policy leadership and governance that restores religious and economic freedom, a strong national defense, and Judeo-Christian values under the Constitution.”

    https://thehumanist.com/magazine/july-august-2018/features/theocratic-mercenary-erik-prince-christian-right

    DeVos Says Israel Trip Helped Shape Her Vision for Education

    Rev. Robert Sirico, the co-founder of Acton, told CBN News that DeVos is a “solid evangelical Christian.” He described her as active in her church and “orthodox in her beliefs and personal commitment to Jesus Christ.”

    http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2016/december/devos-says-israel-trip-helped-shape-her-vision-for-education

    • Replies: @redmudhooch
  61. @peterAUS

    Conflict with Iran is exactly what Washington wants, for several reasons.

    Exactly being the key word. Totally agree.

  62. Your daily reminder of how awesome our No 1 ally is! Never forget…
    Fuh Q Israel, Zionists and all the traitors in DC!

    Good news is, the old generation that believes the bullshit is dying off, enjoy it while it lasts you bastards! You day is coming.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Greasy William
  63. Iran should go and squash Israel, now is the best time if there ever was one, elections here in America are coming up, and Americans are sick of war, so America/Trump would be less willing to commit to lots of Americans returning home in body bags fighting for Israel.

    Now is the time Iran. Trump loves Israel, but he also has a big ego, and would hate to lose the elections coming up. Just my opinion.

  64. @FKA Max

    Not anti-Christian at all, actually. The Prince and DeVos families are active and practicing Christians/Catholics.

    Calling yourself a Christian for political/economic reasons isn’t really being a Christian. Prince is a war monger, Jesus wasn’t a war monger. Prince murders folks for money. Thats about as anti-Jesus as it gets.

    Christian Zionism is just Zionism. Nothing Christian about it.

    They worship Israel and the fake Jews. Folks like Prince and Mike Pence will be allowed nowhere near heaven. Sorry Pence.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Echoes of History
  65. Vidi says:
    @DESERT FOX

    Proof of Israels control of the U.S. gov is Israels and the zionist controlled deep states attack on 911 and the murder of 3000 Americans and Israel got away with it, that is control in spades.

    That is evidence of heavy Israeli influence on the U.S., certainly, but it isn’t evidence of control.

    Note that Obama didn’t invade Syria in 2013 after Assad’s alleged poison gassing of his own people, in spite of the nearly deafening drumbeat for war from the Zionist media. After yet another poison gas incident earlier this year (probably by the Zionist funded White Helmets), all Israel got were a few missiles lobbed in Syria’s general direction.

    In fact, after suckering the U.S. into Iraq after 9/11, the Neocons have only been effective in getting the U.S. to do things that did not cost much (such as transferring the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem) — in spite of clearly wanting far, far more. That’s not control.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  66. Vidi says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    The saddest part of all this is that Trump is working so hard to please Israel by hurting the ancient enemy of the Jews, the Persians, and in return gets called a Nazi by the Jewish, which is to say mainstream, media who work tirelessly to undermine him and his government.

    Let the Neocon media call Trump whatever they wish. The more they lie, the more they lose.

    “92% of Republicans think media intentionally reports fake news”

    https://www.axios.com/trump-effect-92-percent-republicans-media-fake-news-9c1bbf70-0054-41dd-b506-0869bb10f08c.html

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  67. And it is all aimed at fomenting social unrest and ultimately regime change.

    Another excellent article by PG, but may I suggest that he find another term for “regime change?”

    It’s not really what the nut jobs in DC and tel Aviv want anyway and that term is just a lame euphemism for wanting to control the government of Iran The US and Israel are up the same things as they’ve long been doing to other countries.

    Also, it’s worthwhile to note that the two “big ones” of the past century were economic in nature and it’s particularly obvious with the nasty and arbitrary sanctions imposed on Japan prior to the attack on PH.

    The basic story rarely changes much.

  68. @SolontoCroesus

    Are they not?

    My understanding is that long before Jews hated Russians, Germans, Americans, French, the English, Canadians, Czechs, Australians etc. etc. they extra super hated Egyptians and Persians for things that happened millennia ago.

    I know that Jews in Iran have had a pretty sweet deal though.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @SolontoCroesus
  69. Frankie P says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Tyrion,

    You overestimate the numbers of Iranian forces in Syria. If I were Assad and I had finally regained full control of Syria, I would show gratitude towards the friends who were instrumental in regaining the control of my country. That means I would continue friendly relations with Russia, Iran and Hezbollah. I would also look towards the future, and the truth is that Iranian military advisors will continue to provide support to the SAA and Assad for a long time. This does not mean that large numbers of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps will remain in Syria. You seem to have the opinion that Iran has some plan to become the dominant force in Syria, coopting the country from its present legitimate government. This is a ridiculous assumption, and it holds no water. Watch the Lavrov speech. There will be a new constitution followed by free and fair elections in which the Syrian people will vote for and elect their government. Your picture of Iran as a devious and deranged power that wants to stab its friends in the back by taking control of the country after hostilities with the headchoppers grows out of your blind support for the Israeli agenda. It’s unfortunate that you are unable to take those blinders off and look at things with a realist’s eyes. Iranians are not happy that their government is spending scarce resources in the Syrian theater, and the government will be happy to bring what forces they have there home. This will occur after the sovereign state of Syria takes back all of its territory.

    Frankie P

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  70. Frankie P says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I would follow the plan that Trump has started. Continue to make empty promises to Netanyahu and the Neocons to keep the domestic heat off of himself. I agree with you that he has started no new wars, and besides a few inefficient missile salvos into Syria, the US has not been very belligerent on Trump’s watch. Trump probably doesn’t know much about the US support for the insane and criminal actions against the Houthis in Yemen. He should make noise about Iran while doing nothing. The Israelis are going to wake up to the fact that they don’t have the friend that they thought they had in the White House. Look at the dog that didn’t bark; the US has taken NO action in Southwest Syria, and it’s clear that a deal has been reached. In my view, this deal was hammered out between the Russians and the US with MINIMAL IF ANY consultation with Israel. Keep sending idiot neocons like Bolton to organize summits; let Bolton make off the wall comments like he did comparing North Korea to the Libya situation, then have Trump come in and walk back the comments, making himself look balanced and rational while shining a light on the sheer warmongering insanity of Bolton and the Neocons. These subtle actions are applauded by Trump’s base in the US, for we shouldn’t forget that many who voted for Trump did so because of his promises for an end to rampant US intervention in the US. On with the show, this is it!

    Frankie P

  71. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    [Giuliani was addressing a Paris meeting of the National Council of Resistance of Iran at the end of June, the political front group for the terrorist Mujahideen-e-Khalq, for which he has been a frequent paid speaker. This dream of an abrupt transition in government is a fantasy project that is widely held within neoconservative and pro-Israel circles in Washington, to include Giuliani, and it very often is invoked as..]

    Fuck them all. These people are dumb, traitors and criminals. No one can topple Iranian government. Only Iranian people have the right, not the criminals. The pimps in Washington are HATED BY The IRANIAN PEOPLE.

    Today, Iranian people more than any other time in their history know who are their enemies. They look at Trump and Zionists as their enemies. A large number of them are participating in demonstration against the common enemies, US and Israel, and their colonies in the ‘civilized’ western ‘democracies’ and their DOG ZIONIST ISRAEL whenever they get the chance. Recently, in support of Palestinians. Iranian continually are supporting Palestinians’ right for statehood.

    For dummies who have been invading country after country for more than 70 years, destroying everything in the way, killing millions of people, raping thousands of women, and men, killing millions of children by economic sanction and burning toddlers with phosphonate bombs and making millions more as refugees, you have gained NOTHING BUT HATRED OF billions of PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD. Aren’t’ you ashamed of yourself?

    You, the criminals, are trying to topple Iranian government since 1979, aren’t you?
    US, the west, the reactionary Arab head of states that you fuck every day, and racist Russia, tried to topple Iranian government using one of your dictators, Saddam, and equipped him with chemical and biological weapons, and all kind of WMD in addition to military information on Iranian troops whereabouts, yet YOU could not do the job idiots. You bombed Vietnam and massacred people of villages one after the other, but YOU could not defeat them terrorists. How many more bombs do you want to throw on people? You dummies never learn that people will resist and you criminals will be massacred and finally ICC, a tool of western countries, will be used against you, if they refuse all will be executed as traitors. The world is FED UP. You have sent stupid CIA agents everywhere in different forms and shapes. And Iranian government have captured a lot of them and executed some.

    What do you want criminals? When Iran, Hezbollah and Syrian Army killed and destroyed your CIA/Mossad proxy ISIS and other terrorists like Al Qaeda, and will not allow you plan of partitioning Syria to take place, because they have killed your design in Syria, Oded Yinon now you want to bring down this force?

    If they can KILL YOUR DESIGNED PROJECT, then they will find a way to KILL THE DESIGNERS AND THEIR PROXIES. You definitely deserve to get it.
    Every day, the Iranian officials are saying: THANK YOU GOD, for creating our enemies dumb and stupid.

    Who is Giuliani? An old fool who is in this business to collect $$$ paid by Saudi Arabia. No Iranian will attend a cult, MEK, supported by the Iran’s enemies. The criminals had to hire refugees, made by US/NATO bombing, to fill the room offering them $27 each and a tour of Paris where traitors and pimps, Giuliani, Bolton, Turki bin Faisal attended.
    Giuliani, Bolton, to mention two traitors, are there to collect their checks, over $50,000 each at least, for their services in the service of the terrorists.

    MEK is NOT an organization that Iranian people to be afraid of. This is a terrorist gathering like Al Qaeda, ISIS under control of the West and their usual servants who pay for their waged wars.
    Massoud Rajavi is DEAD. He has been killed, most likely by the USG, after invasion of Iraq because RAJAVI WAS NOT BENEFICIAL for his masters ANY LONGER. The USG kills its own terrorists to bury its crimes against humanity secrets.

    Rajavi was more interested to play with women in his HARAM filled with women in the Ashraf Camp as MEK members in Iraq with the help of Maryam Rajavi. Many women tried to escape, but they were captured and tortured with USG knowledge and cooperation.

    Now, Maryam has moved from Rajavi’s Haram into Turki al-Faisal ‘ Haram,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turki_bin_Faisal_Al_Saud

    It was Turki Al-Faisal who announced Massoud Rajavi was killed during the MEK event two years ago.
    There was a report by an Iraqi journalist revealed that Maryam Rajavi got married to Turki Al-Faisal, two years ago, after two years of dating.
    So, the criminals and pimps in Washington, Tel Aviv and Saudi Arabia are trying to use the MEK cult in a new ways meaning to recruit traitors on line. Because NO IRANIAN get involved with these traitors. Some people may not know that they are working for MEK cult. So, how do you want to topple the powerful Iranian government dummies?

    So, my words to the criminals and dummies alike: how do you want to topple Iranian government while Iranian government has toppled YOUR CRIMINAL DESIGN in the region? You are going to be kicked out of Iraq, Syria, and elsewhere. Israel is hated all over the world. The Zionist behind kisser, Putin, cannot save Zionists any longer and if he continues to allow Zionists to invade and bomb Syria, then Putin may be forced out. Contribution of Iranian forces in Syria is FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN air power by Putin. Air power does not work without ground troop. Besides, Iran is working hard since 2013 and Putin asked to get in in 2015 so he can collect more chip to gain more bones from the West and to have more control over the situation to benefit Zionists and imperialists to please them. He wants to arrange the political situation in Syria that benefits the Zionists and criminal US so can be accepted as a colony like Germany, France, Japan and criminal Britain. But, Iran will not allow that to happen.

    He cannot do a damn thing without Iran’s approval. He cannot transfer more goodies to these criminals. He cannot be trusted, Assad knows that too.
    If you could not achieve your goal using your colonies in Europe including Germany, France, Britain, and Russia or in Asia, India, Japan, and in Americas, the Zionist Canadian regime, for the last 40 years, then I must say FUCK OFF IDIOTS.

    • Replies: @Kolo
    , @anonymous
    , @MacNucc11
  72. Vidi says:
    @peterAUS

    The author is engaged in wishful thinking. Conflict with Iran is exactly what Washington wants, for several reasons.
    Several.

    OK, name the reasons that the U.S. would have for military action on Iran. What are the “several” reasons that would be worth a major war that spills enormous quantities of U.S. blood and costs many times more than Iraq? Remember that Iraq is already costing $trillions.

    Killing a few million people in Iran is definitely what Israel wants — as long as no Jewish blood is spilt — and would be worth it to the Zionists. But I am asking for the “several” reasons why this evil would be worthwhile for the U.S.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  73. Z-man says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    You forgot Italians and their ancestors the Romans in their modern/primeval hate.

    I know that Jews in Iran have had a pretty sweet deal though.

    The thing is, they probably would have gotten a sweet deal in Palestine also if the ZioNazis hadn’t demanded a state of their own.
    ‘Israel is the problem Palestine is the solution.’

  74. peterAUS says:
    @Vidi

    OK, name the reasons that the U.S. would have for military action on Iran.

    Just like that? Not even “could you”, “please” and such?
    Nice.
    You post a single sentence question, in rather terse tone, and I have to provide several paragraphs of answer.
    You sure you understand how this thing works?

    But, if you really want the answer, how about you rephrase that into:
    “Would you be so kind as to name those several reasons…etc”?
    Promise, will give it a shot.

    Actually, cancel that.
    Judging from this:

    What are the “several” reasons that would be worth a major war that spills enormous quantities of U.S. blood and costs many times more than Iraq? Remember that Iraq is already costing $trillions.

    with

    But I am asking for the “several” reasons why this evil would be worthwhile for the U.S.

    you feel as doing a bit of “virtue signalling”.
    Don’t communicate with such types I am afraid. Ignore button/skip over posts most of the time.

    One exception: ex-servicemen.

    So, you been in any military? If so I could give it a shot. Chatting about the topic I mean. Have a weak spot for those types. Often good heart but a bit naive as to how the world has really worked since Babylon times.

    So, any time in any service? Any?

    • Replies: @Vidi
    , @Winifred
    , @anonymous
  75. H. S. says:

    Oddly, the White House seems unaware of the fact that Iran is neither Libya nor Iraq. It has a strong and historic national identity that means that it does and will resist being bullied by outside powers, including the “leader of the free world” United States.

    Memories of Farah Pahlavi. Part 14

    https://www.farahpahlavi.org/media-gallery/video-gallery//video/6

  76. J. B. says:

    Sibel Edmonds | July 9, 2018

    “… Edmonds reveals information obtained by multiple insider sources about a secret deal that was made to remove Iran’s current government by force …” :

    https://www.newsbud.com/2018/07/09/breaking-insiders-reveal-secret-deal-to-topple-iran-government/

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  77. Uncle Sam says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    Trump will not attack Iran, because the American military will not allow it. They know perfectly that they could lose the entire Fifth Fleet. It would be hit by barrages of subsonic and supersonic antiship cruise missiles as well as the high speed 220 miles per hour super cavitating Hoot torpedoes (given to them by the Russians).

    The Fifth Fleet is a sitting duck, as is Israel, if war breaks out.

  78. @Johnny Smoggins

    “the ancient enemy of the Jews, the Persians” —

    The above looks like Persians beset the Jews in some way, or that Persians harbored enmity toward Jews. Based on anecdotal evidence, that is not the case: even present-day non-Jewish Iranians express affection for Jews, and they of all people know the difference between Jews and rabbinic pharisaic / zionists.

    I prefer different phrasing that expresses the thought the other way around: Jews have hated, envied, resented Persians since the time of Cyrus, a hatred crystallized by Esther and celebrated by Jews to this day.


    Just watched Ron Paul and his intern, Patrick Henningsen, opine on Iran, MEK, etc. Folks like Paul, and Henningsen need to get beyond “the 1953 coup and that’s why Iranians hate USA . . .”

    George H W Bush played a key role in placing Khomeini in power.
    Maybe that’s a conspiracy theory, maybe not. Check it out.

    http://disquietreservations.blogspot.com/2011/11/rigged-revolution-how-shadow-cia-mi6.html

    Henningsen emphasizes that “Iranians remember” the 1953 coup and also the shoot-down of an Iranian airliner https://www.peaceaction.org/2009/05/22/493/

    I believe the gassing of Iranian civilians by Iraq, with at least covert support from US, looms even larger in the minds of Iranians: many thousands of Iranians are still living with the crippling effects of having been gassed.

    Iranians with a longer historic memory are aware that as many as 10 million Persians died of starvation in the course of WWI, when the British occupied Iran to supply and stage its war activities http://www.payvand.com/news/12/oct/1234.html

  79. edNels says:
    @peterAUS

    …I feel, some time in high school. They also obey all the laws,

    And, the same types are quite happy to, ahm, cheer Iranian people to suffer the onslaught of US military might.
    Feels……interesting.

    You are right, it is same as the best part of school: Sports, or (spectator sports.)
    Just like High School, cheering for the football team:

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  80. @redmudhooch

    Nothing Christian about Zionism? You should read the Jew Testament some time.

    John 4:22″WE WORSHIP what we do know, for salvation is from THE JEWS.”

    Romans 15:27 “For if the GENTILES have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they OWE IT TO THE JEWS to share with them their material blessings.”

    We’re marching to Zion,
    Beautiful, beautiful Zion!

    digitalhymnal.org/dhymn.cfm?hymnNumber=422

  81. @jilles dykstra

    Throwing off the US yoke is the unforgivable sin. Cuba, Brazil and Venezuela are other examples of once captive nations giving Wall Street the middle finger salute.

  82. Vidi says:
    @peterAUS

    OK, name the reasons that the U.S. would have for military action on Iran.

    Just like that? Not even “could you”, “please” and such?
    Nice.
    You post a single sentence question, in rather terse tone, and I have to provide several paragraphs of answer.

    You asserted “Conflict with Iran is exactly what Washington wants, for several reasons. Several.”

    Now I ask you to back up your words.

    You sure you understand how this thing works?

    Yes, I understand the rules of a mature discussion. An adult is responsible for what he says. So I am holding you responsible for your assertion. Provide the “several” reasons for the U.S. to want to fight Iran. Put up or shut up.

  83. Art says:
    @Art

    Our government’s values are upside down. We must get the Jews out of our government.

    Chris Hedges is a true lefty that loves honest justice!

    Chris Hedges Revolutionary Speech (16 minutes)

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @anon
  84. Biff says:

    Is it me or is the Unz Review going back in time?

  85. peterAUS says:
    @edNels

    True, for some.

    Goes deeper I am afraid.

    A high school analogy:
    There is a bully who makes my life miserable. I can’t fight him. But, he’s bulling some other guy too. So, I am going to encourage that other fellow to fight back.
    Don’t care much if he gets smashed up, of course………
    That makes me a……coward and hypocrite, perhaps?

    In this case the stakes are much higher. The pain too, definitely.

    I obey all the laws, pay my taxes, work as a little bee obeying my boss. A nice little citizen of The Empire. Low level, of course.
    If I challenge even a boss I’ll get fired. Terrible…just terrible.
    Can’t even start to contemplate breaking a law, God forbid not paying my taxes.
    Fear…….

    But I do urge my Iranian counterpart to challenge The Empire with high likelihood of him losing his life/limb and probably the same happening to plenty he cares for, his family included.

    Feels….awkward?
    There are some other words to describe that….attitude.

    • LOL: edNels
    • Troll: L.K
  86. @J. B.

    The scheme Edmonds lays out is plausible. It’s not at all original or innovative;

    a. The pain being inflicted on the Iranian people to provoke them to riot is real and is a part of the overall plot. I disagree that this has been going on for a few years, it’s more like a few decades, with intermittent periods of relaxation. In an appearance on C Span in September, 2007, CA Congressman Ed Royce gloated over the suffering sanctions were causing the Iranian people:

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?200726-3/us-policy-iran

    “Tougher sanctions on Iran [are causing] the European financial institutions –banks, and Japanese banks to pull out of Iran . . . which has left the major banking system in Iran without hard currency. It’s helping create hyperinflation there –unemployment is now 20% in Iran.

    . . . The Iranians don’t have the wherewithal, the capital, to refine their own gasoline. They have to import almost half of it. . . . Now there’s discussions of steps to deprive Iran of gasoline. And if you wonder if this has an impact on the street, look at the riots we’ve seen where young people in Iran are torching gas stations. The lines are five hours long, and one of the recent broadcasts in Iran showed people in line saying, You mean we have the money to spend on Hezbollah, and yet we can’t get gasoline? . . .

    Royce noted that the tactic was used against states of FSU:

    Well, this kind of reaction is what we saw in Eastern Europe, the former Soviet Union during the efforts that Kohl, Margaret Thatcher, and Ronald Reagan put on those regimes to reform. And the hope here is that it creates a similar tension internally.

    The tactic reminded me of the methods American zionists and “International Jewry” deployed to soften up Germany for eventual destruction.

    https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html

    b. Edmonds is probably on-target in insisting that MEK is a smoke-screen, a diversion.

    c. Edmonds believes Iranian military elites are being approached and made an “offer they can’t refuse.” Unless they agree to participate in an internal coup, the Iranian people will continue to suffer. This is the starvation blockade all over again. Americans are shameless.

    Sibol says that the military leaders are promised that they will be protected.

    Take a look at this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=224&v=6cePM18Yvp8

    Rabbi David Bar-Hayim states with psychopathic coolness that

    “Talmud teaches that in a war, the best gentiles are to be killed.”

    We know this is what the Jewish participants in Nuremberg trials carried out:

    https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018/05/05/the-biggest-murder-trial-in-history-did-the-american-run-einsatzgruppen-trial-use-forged-documents-to-convict-germans-of-genocide/

    As Ben Ferencz relates in this Hard Talk interview, after forcibly insinuating himself into Nuremberg trials, he selected the best gentiles to be killed:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=48&v=jmFg_ZkKo8M

    Interviewer: “You said you wanted to get the officers, not the foot soldiers but the educated . . .”
    Ferencz: ” Well, it’s very hard for the public today to understand: the special extermination squads, the Einsatzgruppen, were 3,000 men. I selected of these 3000 men, all of whom were complicit in mass murder — I selected on several factors . . . I want a list of everybody who was an Einsensatzgruppen from our intelligence sources sent out immediately to Nuremberg. I went over the list; I picked those of the highest rank and then checked out their background. Their Nazi party records which we captured in Berlin. Those who had doctor degrees or were generals, they got priority. We picked out 22. Why not 28? Because we had only 22 seats in the dock.”

    We have got to make American law makers understand that they are partnering with, and carrying out the genocidal agenda of psychopaths.

    • Replies: @L.K
  87. ‘…There are deadly consequences to following the Israeli and Saudi lead into a possible major war with Iran. If sanctions produce desperation inside Iran, an apparent breakdown in order could easily invite a hypocritical U.S. and Israeli “humanitarian” intervention, possibly escalating into an international conflict…’

    The author appears to be making the singularly naive assumption that an ‘international conflict’ is not what is sought.

    Of course it’s what is sought. The goal is and always has been to embroil the US in a war with Iran. Israel’s not about to fight it.

  88. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    A little Hedges goes a long way.

    not impressed.

    • Replies: @Art
  89. Rogue says:
    @Jake

    I’d say you suffer from WASP Derangement Syndrome.

    WASPS built America, Canada, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand. Non WASPS built Central and South America.

    Modern day WASPS have nothing like the control you ascribe to them – are there any WASPS on the US Supreme Court?

    The Judaizising of America started in the late 19th century, primarily via mass Jewish immigration, and not before then.

    You have a stuck needle.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
    , @Wizard of Oz
  90. @Johnny Rico

    Nobody is sure what Iran has as nuclear proof deep in the rocks facilities.
    I suppose you’re right about oil to Europe, possibly also to China.
    Far more important seems to me what would be left of Israel if the worst comes to the worst.

  91. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @Frankie P

    I merely stated that Assad will be wary of Iran, especially of them not going home after helping him to win his war. Not that they are a “devious and deranged power”. I alleged nothing extraordinary about any of the actors.

    Regardless, it seems that Iran, the US, Syria, Russia and Israel are all in (perhaps uneasy) agreement as to the future of Syria and who has troops there; which means that all of them are quite capable of being reasonable when the right incentives are in place. Probably the Sauds and the Turks agree too.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  92. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    We can also be very glad that Trump won and returned the US to a realist perspective and away from its dogmatic progressivism in the international sphere. Imposing transgender bathrooms on the US population is bizarre and sad. Building up a great crusade to impose them on the world is peak insanity.

  93. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @Frankie P

    Fine. We agree that previous US foreign policy was awful and that Trump’s is an improvement. It is just that you mostly blame Israel and I mostly blame progressive ideology.

    Since neither one of us, I assume, want either group to take control of the US military, it seems that there is little difference in our actual positions.

    Is this a fair-minded account?

    • Replies: @Frankie P
    , @ANONYMOUS
  94. Winifred says:
    @peterAUS

    I think we can conclude from this piece of extended bluster by peterAUS that he has no answers to Vidi’s legimitate question.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  95. @SolontoCroesus

    SolontoCroesus wrote: “George H W Bush played a key role in placing Khomeini in power. Maybe that’s a conspiracy theory, maybe not. Check it out.”

    Hi SolontoCroesus,

    I for one sense that powerful & treasonous U.S. Zionist strategists had great advantageous interest in Ayatollah Khomeini’s France-based political activism and the 1979 Islamic (Shia) Republic of Iran’s rise to power.

    Why? Such event set the stage for the 9-year long war with Sunni Muslim, Baathist President Saddam Hussein’s Shiite majority-population Iraq. The state of Israel’s joys of Muslims slaughtering one another.

    Historical record provides evidence of the Reagan administration’s support for both sides.

    Why? An intensification of Sunni-Shiite enmity was established by the Z.U.S. & which advantageously fester’s to this day, along with the Saud Royal family’s complete blessing, encouragement.

    P.S. Article below, am quite certain you’re aware of the WWII Anglo-Soviet “Operation Countenance,” invasion of Iran, understandably undertaken to ensure National Socialist Germany’s eviction from Iran’s oilfields.
    Post-war, Stalin’s Soviets were not eager to “pull out” of Iran, and the Allies were pissed about their communist friends having gained a revolutionary foothold in Baluchistan.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Soviet_invasion_of_Iran

    Thanks, S2C!

  96. Frankie P says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I am of the opinion that the blame is not on Israel. The blame is on the American (more pressing to me as that is my nationality) British and European Jews who support Israel to the detriment of the United States, Europe and their people. Concern for Israel is the driving force for these people, many, but not all of them single issue donors. Look at Saban (Democrats) and Adelson (Republicans), their massive donation record, and their clear, repeated statements about how they are single issue donors. So let’s be clear. I don’t blame Israel. Israel is a sick, artificial nation, like no other in the world. The bizarre circumstances related to this nation, a nation that professes to welcome any Jew from anywhere in the world as a citizen, make it a danger to other nations, especially those with populations of wealthy Jews. The “insurance policy” is an invitation to mental illness in my view. The way this sick nation is exempt from the international checks and balances that are applied to all other nations is a travesty of the world order. The nuclear capabilities of Israel are but one example of this. The willful and illegal attacks on a host of regionals nations by the Israelis, not to mention the sheer oppression meted out to the Palestinians, is unheard of from other developed countries. Why is Israel able to do this? The answer to this question is the Jewish Question. Tyrion, you blame progressive ideology, and believe me, I am not a fan of progressive ideology at all. I have seen you speak out against the cancer of unbridled immigration, and I agree with you. I see you criticizing previous US foreign policy and I also agree with you. The difference is that I see progressive ideology on BOTH of these issues, immigration and foreign policy, as being driven by Jewish interests, the same Jewish players and organizations in many cases who are nonstop apoligists for Israel. It’s the culture of critique. I really believe that many Jews loathe western European Christian civilization, the very civilization that released them from the tyranny of the rabbis and gave them a safe environment to carry out their Jewish Renaissance. It’s abundantly clear that they loathe Russia and its move towards a more traditional, nationalistic, Orthodox Christian culture. How can you in good faith deny the fact that so many Jewish organizations are anti-nationalist, but that the attacks on nationalism disappear when it comes to Israel? Good for thee but not for me is so clear that it is disgusting.

    Please comment.

    Frankie P

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @mr meener
  97. @Vidi

    The FED is privately owned by the Zionist bankers and creates money out of thin air and loans this money to the U.S. gov and among other things this ether created money is used to fund the MIC and the wars which the Zionists got America into starting with WWI right on down to Syria, those who control the money control a country and the Zionist control the U.S. money and control the U.S. GOV.

    The Zionists control the U.S. GOV lock stock and gun barrel and are driving the gov into unpayable debt for the profit of the Zionist controlled bankers, do some research.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  98. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @Frankie P

    I am obviously familiar with the type of critique of Jews and Judaism that you have presented.

    The problem for me is that, much like theories of white privilege and black American folk mythologies about how “the white man” is always conspiring to keep poor coloured peoples down, they deny anyone but the alleged evil actors agency and they have a total lack of proportion.

    Nor does it matter how events unfold, those events, whatever happens, are always taken to be confirmatory to the worldview.

    For example, it doesn’t matter what I write here. Anything and everything except the immediate suicide of all Jews would be taken as yet more proof of your perspective.

    Those who agree with you have made your theories the keystone to their imagined reality, and so everything that they have constructed around it is based off this – the perfidy of the Jews.

    To me, this is the very definition of a mad, paranoid fantasy.

    Interestingly, mad, paranoid fantasies are rarely entirely fictitious. They almost always have elements of truth to them. Just as a forest always has birds in it.

    To me, you can only see the birds and not the trees, soil and other animals. This means that you are unable to navigate the forest, to navigate reality, as you only have eyes for a small fraction of what is there. That is to say, you and many other dissidents can have little effect as you can’t even notice the trees you keep walking into.

    Now my problem is that if I point out the trees and bushes you will say that they don’t exist, even as you keep smacking into them. Indeed, you will say I am just another bird trying to distract you from the other birds, who constitute your only real obstacles.

    Can I say anything at all that disagrees with you and at least be taken as speaking in good faith?

    Is there any fact that would successfully challenge your worldview?

    Does your perspective afford Jews any decency or humanity at all?

    Does it afford non-Jews any agency and therefore any humanity at all?

    If it denies both or, actually, either, must it not be untethered itself? How can you have come to accept such a dehumanising ideology?

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
    , @Art
  99. anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    US military forces have the stomach for another invasion and occupation, replete with IEDs and terrorist resistance?

    Can you detect a certain deceitful contradiction in what you mention above?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  100. anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    The most advanced nation on the planet, the indispensable one, the exceptional one

    It is also a godless pagan, spiritual and moral cesspool. In that way, its fall into the depths of hellfire will be exceptional too.

  101. Stan says:

    The neocons and their court jesters should move to Israel and stop punishing Americans with the bill for Israel’s wars and higher gas taxes.

  102. MacNucc11 says:
    @Rogue

    Does it really matter when the Judaizing happened? Bottom line in the first group of countries anyway it absolutely did. Main reason I would expatriate to South American country long before Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, or Australia. Rogue is absolutely correct in any case that it happened long before the 19th century in England with the reformation.

    • Replies: @Rogue
  103. anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Is that Saudi degenerate doing a “namaste”?

  104. @anonymous

    No. Enlighten me. As far as I have observed from Iraq and Afghanistan, any local resistance has been advertised to the American people and the world as terrorist.

  105. MacNucc11 says:
    @Vidi

    Wow, that is pretty sad. A whole 8 % don’t think they intentionally report fake news?

    • Replies: @Vidi
  106. anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    you feel as doing a bit of “virtue signalling”.

    There is always the risk of being accused of that, even when one is simply being honest. You should try it sometime, even if it is against your nature.

    After all, not everybody is a degenerate like you, you see… with your constant iniquity-signalling.

  107. mr meener says:

    Iran hezzbolah Lebanon Syria and hamas soon better hit Israel with everything they got otherwise they will try to and are doing what they did to Ukraine in the 20′s. fight now or slowly be choked to death. close the straits. amazing people cannot see that since the oil shutoff in the 70′s numerous times after and right now the cost of oil rising costing the west trillions all because of israel

  108. mr meener says:
    @Frankie P

    the jews in power being the devils spawn demons from hell cannot stand white people living in peace and prosperous. they have to destroy them and turn their countries into the hell from where they come from

  109. MacNucc11 says:
    @Tyrion 2

    What exactly forest or trees am I missing if I notice that Israel has multiple political action committees set up to lobby the U.S. government to the detriment of the U.S. and benefit of Israel? How is that progressive ideology that denies the existence of nations and boundaries? It is clearly the exact opposite naked, unbridled nationalism.
    Does it afford Jews any humanity you ask. Yes, clearly. It is very human to prefer your own and work toward benefitting them. Is it not also human for others to notice when their self interest is being subverted? Is there any fact that would alter my worldview? Yes, of course if dual citizenship was not allowed in our government and it became illegal to lobby for foreign governments that alone would significantly alter my worldview. If you are accusing Frankie P of not seeing the forest then you are equally guilty of not seeing that the forest is not a single thing but made up of many specific units. Just because many different things make up a forest it does not mean they are in any way equivalent. A bird is not a tree or a bush although they exist in a forest. They can also all of them exist completely separate from a forest and as parts of a yard in the suburbs, an estate, a park. If you want to present facts that would alter someone’s worldview then please present facts not generalities. Name what is the forest, what is the tree, etc.

  110. Rogue says:
    @MacNucc11

    MyComplete rubbish.

    Martin Luther was a Judaizer?

    All countries have their own unique problems and faults etc etc but, generally speaking, Protestant countries have been better governed and have had less corruption than Roman Catholic countries.

    Anyway, I’m not interested in getting into theological debates, or church history, but I’m absolutely correct in saying that Jake has a ridiculous one-track record of comments when it comes to UR.

    I see Jake, I know I’m gonna read WASP this, WASP that, blah blah, rinse and repeat every time.

    • Replies: @Rogue
    , @MacNucc11
    , @MacNucc11
  111. @Frankie P

    Fair points, Frankie P.

    Trump is “unstatesman-like” in his bluster, but has not been as belligerent as his predecessors. I suppose we should be grateful for small mercies.

    Perhaps I am naive, but I have have high hopes for Trump’s upcoming meeting with Putin. There is great potential for peace and extracting ourselves from all (most of) the wars that we are engaged in. Any or all of the following could happen, although they will all be opposed by the deep state:

    1. Withdrawal from Syria (highly likely)
    2. Draw-down of NATO (moderately likely)
    3. Removal of Russian sanctions (moderately likely)
    4. Reduction of anti-Iran rhetoric (slightly likely)
    5. Draw-down in Afghanistan (slightly likely)
    6. More olive branches to N. Korea (moderately likely)
    7. Withdrawal from Saudi support of Yemen war (slightly likely)
    8. Reopening Russian Embassies in the US (highly likely)
    :
    9. Rejection of Israel (unlikely in the extreme)

    We will know next week if I am prescient.

  112. ians says:

    peterAUS – ‘Don’t communicate with such types I am afraid. Ignore button/skip over posts most of the time.
    One exception: ex-servicemen.
    So, you been in any military? If so I could give it a shot. Chatting about the topic I mean. Have a weak spot for those types.’

    Reminds me of the movie ‘Airplane’ – ‘So, Johnnie, have you ever been in a Turkish bathhouse…’
    What a twat.

  113. Rogue says:
    @Rogue

    First sentence should read “Complete rubbish”, not “MyComplete rubbish.”

    Problems with my phone editor.

  114. @Winifred

    I think we can conclude from this piece of extended bluster by peterAUS that he has no answers to Vidi’s legimitate[sic] question.

    Not surprising. As renfro stated earlier in #52, when it comes to Iran, none of the zio-shills and trolls, or the traitors in the deep state, are ever able to articulate why Iran is such a threat to the US. Expect redirection to nonsense narratives and hand-waving answers.

  115. MacNucc11 says:
    @Rogue

    Do you consider the EU countries Catholic or protestant governed? Would the immigration of third world into the EU countries be due to Catholic governed or protestant, the popes idiotic comments aside?

    • Replies: @Rogue
  116. pensword says:

    Congratulations, Mr. Giraldi.

    Unz experienced a DDOS attack all morning, a sure sign you hit them where it hurts.

  117. Rogue says:
    @MacNucc11

    The lynchpin of the EU is France and Germany.

    Therefore, the EU is built on a foundation of fading Catholicism, fading Catholic /Protestantism – and surging humanism.

    The countries that are most keen on the EU project are Catholic; overall the countries most skeptical are Protestant.

    The EU is being resisted in Eastern Europe by majority Catholic countries and I applaud that – but they also don’t want to leave the EU for (understandable) economic reasons.

    Much of the momentum behind Brexit was concern over open borders immigration.

    Unfortunately, like Western Europe in general – be it Roman Catholic or Protestant, Britain is mostly a post-Christian country.

    Anyway, I’m not anti-Catholic in case you have that impression.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  118. Rurik says:

    good to see WRH linking to Unz articles

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/#axzz5KxtMbURb

    • Replies: @Rurik
  119. Rurik says:
    @Rurik

    also from WRH

    as reported by the Israeli press, would have Netanyahu offering to see Russia given full relief from US-imposed sanctions in return for Russia expelling Iranian military from Syria.

    https://news.antiwar.com/2018/07/10/netanyahu-may-offer-putin-us-sanctions-relief-for-ousting-iran-from-syria/

    Israel, after all, is not driving US sanctions against Russia,

    yea, right

    https://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page//.premium-netanyahu-may-offer-putin-iran-out-of-syria-u-s-lifts-sanctions-1.6265530

  120. Art says:
    @anon

    A little Hedges goes a long way.

    not impressed.

    Anon(107),

    I oppose Hedges’ liberal domestic politics – but when he opposes our coercive war making foreign policies, we must applaud him. There is no reason for us, not to join with him in his opposition.

    Perfect is the enemy of good. We need everyone of all stripes, to oppose the Jew’s US deep state.

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @Anon
  121. MacNucc11 says:
    @Rogue

    I would say we are probably in agreement here. But fading Catholic or formerly Catholic/Humanism/Judaism/and WASP all mean basically the same thing to me. All of them are really post religion. as you say. I don’t know that I would designate a EU country as Catholic with possibly the exception being Poland. Italy no, although they are resisting the EU immigration and hopefully others will follow.

  122. MacNucc11 says:
    @Rogue

    I would agree that Luther was not but that Cromwell and Calvin were.

    • Replies: @Rogue
  123. JohnZ says:

    The entire tRump administration needs to be flushed out of the White House before they start WWIII.
    The entire lot of them are useful idiots-stooges for Pisrael. The child molester in Chief is no different a total stooge for that little zionist s***hole. Pink cheeks Giuliani is Pisrale’s little mob lawyer while nasty Nicki Haley is Satanyahu’s little WHORE.
    The people of Iran will never surrender to the evil that is Washington and Pisrael and in turn if Pisrael attacks Iran, it will be at their own peril.
    I’ll be laughing my azz off to see Hell Aviv get bombed into rubble.!
    I loath and despise Pisrale and everything it stands for which is degenerate evil and perversion.
    The tRump administration is by far the most evil, wicked and loathsome administration so far. There is hardly anything that even remotely resembles the ideals of freedom and liberty.
    tRump is another Hitler.

    • Troll: Mike P
    • Replies: @Rogue
  124. Art says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Does your perspective afford Jews any decency or humanity at all?

    Hmm — 85% of the world’s Jews, 100% of the time, support the Israeli government that kills med girls and shoots off boy legs.

    Where is the decency or humanity of the Jew?

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

    • Replies: @tac
  125. peterAUS says:

    Nice echo chamber.
    Feels good I am sure; daily fix, dopamine rush etc.
    That’s O.K.

    And, who knows, if you keep at it maybe you’ll, somehow, will that delusion in existence.
    Somehow.

    For the minority not in love with islamic theocracy here is what’s more likely:
    The regime will go.
    Mullahs and all that…thing…will be replaced with something rational and less corrupted.

    The idea of restoring monarchy is the only post of value here, actually.
    Maybe Washington is against it, don’t know, but the idea, itself, looks good.
    I seem to remember that similar ideas were being floated around re Russia and Serbia (probably some other places too) in 90s.

    In any case Iranian people deserve better than the current theocracy, islamic on top of it.

    As for how, well, several options.
    One likely option is:
    Getting a pretext for “intervention”. Seeing how easy was to find a pretext for hitting Syria that’s not going to be a problem.
    US public will go with it, of course.
    The intervention will start as standoff campaign against military targets. Phase by phase. Plenty of scenarios there, but, I am (not) afraid that Iran will be able to retaliate in any meaningful matter.
    The regime will try to lessen the impact of campaign by not provoking harsher response. The “interventionists” will keep hammering hoping to weaken the regime military and security apparatus enough for internal dissent.

    I believe the end result will be mullahs gone.
    What will replace them, if any (chaos is possible too), I have no idea.

    Hopefully, it will be some sort of democracy brought together by major players.

    We’ll see……

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
    , @Kolo
  126. Vidi says:
    @DESERT FOX

    The FED is privately owned by the Zionist bankers and creates money out of thin air and loans this money to the U.S. gov and among other things this ether created money is used to fund the MIC

    Correct so far, if you replace “Zionist bankers” with “AngloZionist bankers”. The Fed is privately owned and has the right to print the US dollar. However, this right is revokable.

    and the wars which the Zionists got America into starting with WWI right on down to Syria, those who control the money control a country and the Zionist control the U.S. money and control the U.S. GOV.

    If the Zionists control the government, then why is the US not already fighting Iran, as the Zionist media (and all the hasbara trolls here) so clearly want? Just what have the Zionists achieved after suckering the US into Iraq with the lie of Saddam’s WMDs?

    I’ll tell you what they’ve achieved. Now nearly all Republicans realize that they are being lied to by the Zionist media.

    https://www.axios.com/trump-effect-92-percent-republicans-media-fake-news-9c1bbf70-0054-41dd-b506-0869bb10f08c.html

    A good big chunk of Democrats also realize this. As I have said before about the Zionist media, the more they lie, the more they lose.

    • Replies: @Art
  127. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    For the moderators: The “Selected Tweeters” page does not seem to be functioning/loading properly: http://www.unz.com/tweeters/ Thank you.

    Pro-Vatican not pro-WASP… it’s an anti-WASP alliance.

    Perceptive tweets from Richard Spencer:

    Richard Spencer
    ‏@RichardBSpencer

    Anglo-Saxons were once the American ruling class. We are now a dispossessed elite–symbolized by the fact that the establishment’s inner sanctum, #SCOTUS, is Jewish and Catholic.
    7:24 PM – 9 Jul 2018

    Just in case there was any misunderstanding–though I, of course, recognize ethnic differences, I do seek broader European unity; though I do lament my people’s decline, I take responsibility for it. The WASP death was both suicide and murder.

    Tucker and Ann Coulter are easily the most based people in official conservatism. They both have WASP backgrounds and haven’t done the conservative cliché of converting to Catholicism. Is that a confidence? Probably not.

  128. tac says:
    @utu

    US national security adviser John Bolton acknowledged on July 1 that an important part of the agenda of the upcoming Trump-Putin summit will be for the United States to ask for Russia’s help to oust Iran from Syria. According to Bolton, Washington has accepted that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad will retain power in Syria and now wants to concentrate on convincing Moscow to cut its partnership in Syria with Tehran. In return for Putin’s agreement to help the Americans expel the Iranians from Syria, Trump is reportedly ready to withdraw US forces from the country as well as help the Syrian military regain full control over the southern region along the border with ilitary regain full control over the southern region along the border with Jordan.

    Reacting to these reports, the Iranian press has been quick to speculate that Russia is about to “betray” Iran once again and to use Tehran as a bargaining chip to reach a deal with the United States. Moscow’s reaction to speculation along those lines, however, has been quite unexpected. For instance, Russia has backtracked from its previous position that all foreign forces, including Iranians, must leave Syria. Instead, Russian officials have started to vehemently emphasize the lawful nature of Iran’s presence in Syria. On June 28, Russia’s ambassador to the United Nations, Vassily Nebenzia, called Iran’s presence in Syria “legitimate and undeniable,” stressing, “Nobody can deny the issue, whether they like it or not.” Four days later, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov said that Iran’s presence in Syria is of an advisory nature and fundamentally aimed at fighting terrorism. On July 4, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov called the US and Israeli demands for Iran’s full withdrawal from Syria “absolutely unrealistic.”

    Meanwhile, former Iranian Ambassador to Lebanon Mohammad Fathali said in a June 30 interview before returning to Tehran at the end of his mission that Iran and Russia are allied in fighting terrorism not only in Syria but throughout the whole region. He also suggested that as a result of the Syrian military’s ongoing operation in southern Syria, US forces might soon leave the area.

    https://russia-insider.com/en/politics/sorry-there-zero-chance-putin-ditching-iran-syria/ri24100

    Hassan Nasrallah June 29th speech (pt. 1: touching on Syria, Palestine, Lebannon, Iran), (pt.2: “Hezbollah is ready to fight Saudi-US Coalition in Yemen):

    https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/07/watch-nasrallah-victorious-gaza-syria-iraq-resistance-hezbollah-ready-to-fight-saudi-us-coalition-in-yemen/

    Russia warns Syrian rebels ‘Idlib will be next’: Report

    “There was a warning by the Russians for the Free Army not to go to Idlib….’After Daraa, we’ll go to Idlib’,” Jibawi told SMART.

    An FSA military commander was also quoted as telling the news agency that the rebels are now fortifying their bases in Idlib in anticipation of a new offensive.

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/Russia-FSA-south-Syria-Idlib-Deraa

    Israel’s most dangerous enemy: Who are you, Hajj Qasem Soleimani?

    According to a senior Israeli intelligence official, “Soleimani’s visit to Moscow in the summer of 2015 was what convinced the Russians to intervene in Syria, as the Syrian ground offensive began in October 2015. He was basically the one who convinced them that in order to save Assad, they must intervene.”

    “Soleimani became the Russians’ partner,” says Pardo. “In this sense, he is very different from Imad Mughniyeh, who remained undercover and whose picture was never published. Soleimani has become a very public figure in recent years. This is happening only because the Quds Force’s activity is perceived as legitimate from a certain point.”
    [...]
    The Mossad chief asserted that edging Iran out of the Middle East was his organization’s main goal. “Iran, which is located 1,500 kilometers from Israel, has succeed in creating an actual border with Israel, while Israel has no border with Iran,” Cohen told his colleagues. “First from Lebanon and now from Syria too, they can operate directly against Israeli communities and strategic targets in Israel. This is a very serious strategic threat faced by Israel.”

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5301988,00.html

  129. Rogue says:
    @MacNucc11

    With regards to Calvin I offer this purely as a matter of interest: the Afrikaners of South Africa, descendants of Dutch and German Protestants, and French Huguenots, are very Calvinistic in their Christian beliefs.

    Yet, they’ve always had a degree of suspicion about the Jews and their intentions. And justifiably so, I would suggest. I tend to believe that the Anglo Boer war was largely due to Jewish money interests (though a number of Jews fought on the side of the Boers). Pre WW2 many Afrikaners tended to actively side with Nazi Germany and many refused to do military service in WW2. However, this was mostly due to animosity against Britain (I’m an English South African with a large degree of Afrikaner ancestry, just for sake of clarity).

    Furthermore, almost all the Whites unlawfully active against the Apartheid regime were Jews. By contrast, White South Africa and Israel had cozy relations for quite a while, due to both being pariah states and military co-operation between the two. However, when it no longer suited Israel’s interests, they dropped White South Africa like a ton of bricks.

    The Afrikaners eventually gave in to international pressure, economic sanctions, sports boycotts etc. and effectively handed over power to the Black majority, despite having been in the land since the mid 1650′s.

    Simple lesson to all concerned: if you have political and military power, never EVER voluntarily give it up. The trajectory of events in SA over the last generation is absolute proof of that.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  130. MacNucc11 says:
    @peterAUS

    Thanks douchebag, I’ll keep trying to will the delusion into existence and you out.

    • Replies: @Anon
  131. Anon[250] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    Nope.

    He’s long-winded in service of intellectual ego at expense of compelling simplicity, and is fatally wedded to an unjust and bogus holoaust narrative.
    That’s not an imperfection it’s a fatsl flaw.

  132. tac says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    These overspent memes: ‘Nazi’,’antisemite’,’neo-nazi’,’racist’,’xenophobic’, et al,,, have been overplayed to the point that they have become/are be coming innocuous as a scarlet letter for those charged as such … ad nauseam. Meanwhile those pronouncing these epithets fail, as always, to look in their neck of the woods at the sheer hypocrisy of their own:

    Was Every Israeli Prime Minister A Racist?

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/shocking-quotes-was-every-israeli-prime-minister-a-racist/

  133. Anon[250] • Disclaimer says:
    @MacNucc11

    Was just going to say that PeterAus ‘s commentary would be far more valuable if he doubled down on ….. s and eliminated all the rest.

  134. Kolo says:
    @peterAUS

    Triple up on your insanity pills

  135. ANONYMOUS[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    It is just that you mostly blame Israel and I mostly blame progressive ideology.

    Significant overlap between “Israel” and what it connotes and who its adherents are, and “progressive ideology” and what it connotes and who its adherents are.

    Congrats, you agree.

  136. tac says:
    @DESERT FOX

    9/11 and the War on Terror: Israel’s History of False Flag Operations against the U.S.A. by: Christopher Bollyn to President Donald Trump, April 28, 2018

    Dear Mr. President,

    As you said very clearly, the United States is bogged down in a costly quagmire in the Middle East, engaged in covert military operations in countries where there is no real U.S. interest. We have gained nothing from 17 years of war in which untold thousands have been killed or maimed and entire nations have been devastated. Our Middle East policy is disastrous and must be changed. If we don’t change our policy we can only expect more of the same – millions more refugees, thousands more dead, trillions more wasted.

    In order to correct our policy we need to understand who got us into this mess in the first place. The 9/11 event as a false flag operation and the War on Terror campaign were both conceived by Israeli military intelligence in the 1970s under the leadership of Menachem Begin, the self-proclaimed “Father of Terrorism” and founder of the Likud party who became prime minister in 1977. War on Terror doctrine was rolled out in July 1979 at a Netanyahu Institute conference in Jerusalem

    https://ahtribune.com/us/maga/2346-911-war-on-terror.html

    NED, Jewish Neocons, Provoke Crisis in Ukraine

    Some questions that beg to be asked are: why would Israelis take such a keen interest in events in Ukraine? Why would Jews in the US State Department and elsewhere in the US government be working so furtively behind the scenes to topple the Ukrainian government? Was it really the democratically elected Viktor Yanukovych these people objected to? Has it really all along been just about providing an economic boost to Europe by bringing Ukraine into the EU fold? Or is there some other target, say, perhaps, Russia?

    https://richardedmondson.net/2014/03/01/ned-jewish-neocons-provoke-crisis-in-ukraine/

  137. MacNucc11 says:
    @Rogue

    What was the reason for the criminal destruction of South Africa? I have never been able to understand why this was done. Who stood to benefit from the removal of the productive class?
    I hope this lesson is well learned by other countries to never give up any military power they may have.

    • Replies: @Rogue
  138. Art says:
    @Vidi

    If the Zionists control the government, then why is the US not already fighting Iran

    The Jews control the US government – not the people. We as a people and a nation, still must be misled into war (false flags).

    The American people still have Western Christian values – we do not like governments killing people.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

    p.s. Remember 9/11!

  139. Art says:

    When are we going to pay $4.50 for Jew gasoline?

    If US gets its way with Iran, oil could spike to $120, says Bank of America

    Oil could spike to $120 per barrel or more if the U.S. were able to eliminate all Iranian oil exports, as it has said it would like to do by Nov. 4, according to Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

    Iran has been exporting more than 2 million barrels a day, and BofAML expects just about a quarter of that to be removed from the market due to a global oil deficit.

    President Donald Trump has asked Saudi Arabia to tap its spare capacity of 2 million barrels and add more oil to the market, but BofAML said it is untested and the market is skeptical that it can maintain a much higher level of exports without drawing on its inventories.

    Patti Domm | @pattidomm
    Published 12:54 PM ET Fri, 6 July 2018 Updated 2:08 PM ET Fri, 6 July 2018
    CNBC.com

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/06/if-us-gets-its-way-with-iran-oil-could-spike-to-120bofa-strategis.html

    Think Peace — Art

  140. tac says:

    All-Time Podcast: ‘Everything we’ve been told about Syria (by the MSM) is a LIE.’

    https://21stcenturywire.com/2018/07/11/all-time-podcast-everything-weve-been-told-about-syria-by-the-msm-is-a-lie/

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  141. peterAUS says:

    Re “internal dissent”, “uprising” and “secession” in Iran, just these two could be of some interest:

    People’s Resistance Movement of Iran (PRMI)

    A part of, Jundallah (Arabic: جندالله‎, lit. ‘Soldiers of God’), also known as People’s Resistance Movement of Iran (PRMI),is a Sunni militant organization based in Sistan and Baluchestan, a southeastern region of Iran, that claims to be fighting for “equal rights of Sunni Muslims in Iran

    Especially re “blocking Hormuz”:

    Separatism in Khuzestan

    Separatism in Khuzestan refers to a decades-long separatist movement in the western part of Iranian Khuzestan, which seeks to establish a separate independent state for its Arab residents, from what they define as “Iranian occupation”.The struggle is often defined as an ethno-religious dispute between predominantly Arabs from the western part of Khuzestan and the Iranian Revolutionary Shi’a government.

    There are more, of course, but just those two could prove….. sufficient….. for the (likely) coming effort.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @MacNucc11
  142. Vidi says:
    @MacNucc11

    Wow, that is pretty sad. A whole 8 % don’t think they intentionally report fake news?

    LOL

  143. Rogue says:
    @MacNucc11

    Whew! It’s a big subject.

    We’d actually developed nuclear weapons and actually are the only country to unilaterally disarm them. Off course, no way did the Whites want the Marxist orientated incoming Black government to have ownership of nuclear weapons. I have no proof of this, but suspect the US government leaned on Pretoria to get rid of the nukes before the Blacks took over.

    Anyway, I’m not going to go into all the ins and outs of SA politics but this statement which you made is absolutely true:

    I hope this lesson is well learned by other countries to never give up any military power they may have.

    We don’t live in a Barney the Dinosaur world, however desirable that might be.

  144. renfro says:
    @Johnny Rico

    A month-long closure of the Straits would have little dramatic consequence in the US. the amount of oil in pipelines, on tankers, in refineries, and in storage would dampen any short term effects. Panic can be managed

    Not necessarily ….although the US is producing more oil , …there will be pain.
    Were you in business in ’73 when OPEC slapped oil sanctions on the US for supporting Israel?
    I was and my business depended on fuel for my heavy equipment to operate……sky high prices, empty filling stations, lines for gas everywhere, movement of goods dead in the water,…..cost the US businesses and consumers trillions.
    Refineries would have to up their output by 35% and there would be a lag in availability.

    Not mention this very bad move.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-23/trump-proposes-selling-off-half-the-u-s-strategic-oil-reserve

    Trump’s Plan to Sell Off Half of U.S. Oil Reserve

    ”The White House plan to trim the national debt includes selling off half of the nation’s emergency oil stockpile and the entire backup gasoline supply, part of a broad series of changes proposed by President Donald Trump to the federal government’s role in energy markets.
    Trump’s first complete budget proposal, released Tuesday, would raise $500 million in fiscal year 2018 — and as much $16.6 billion over the next decade — by drawing down the Strategic Petroleum Reserve”

    * Trump’s DOE did sell some off in March for $45 a barrel.

    The old saying that ‘no one plans to fail, they just fail to plan’ applies. Given how touchy the ME situation is and how we have pissed off a number of our oil suppliers over trade, this is not smart.

  145. MacNucc11 says:

    I did not realize that they had become a nuclear power.

    • Replies: @Rogue
  146. Art says:
    @peterAUS

    There are more, of course, but just those two could prove….. sufficient….. for the (likely) coming effort. (bloodshed in Iran)

    So peterAUS — are you drooling?

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

    p.s. How is Iran hurting AUS so much, that you want blood?

    p.s. We suspect that you are flying a false flag.

  147. Rogue says:
    @JohnZ

    Ha ha, blogging and drinking not such a good idea …

    Still, a good laugh.

  148. Rogue says:
    @MacNucc11

    Sorry, not sure if you’re replying to me but, if so, yes, White South Africa built approximately seven enriched uranium gun-projectile weapons, similar to what was dropped on Hiroshima.

    They also had a thermonuclear program, but pegged back on it due to costs.

    It’s only fair for me to point out that the South Africans didn’t pioneer everything themselves (though according to an Israeli technician they were fast learners and did pioneer some new techniques) but had Israeli and Pakistani support. The latter not in an official position, to the best of my knowledge.

    The Soviets rumbled, via satellite, a test platform in South Africa in the mid 70′s, got onto the USA and they in turn got onto us. We dismantled the platform.

    Almost certainly an atomic bomb test took place a couple of hundred miles south of the African continent (ocean test) some time before this. This was an Israeli nuclear bomb test with South African involvement.

  149. @tac

    If you mean Western MSM, your number is pretty close. I’d say not everything, but ~98-99%. But that’s only natural: would the fox tell the truth about its visit to a henhouse?

  150. L.K says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Hey Solonto,

    I do not believe Sibel Edmonds to be a reliable source AT ALL.

    I once did, though from time to time her strident and silly attacks on Putin and Russia made me suspicious… and I’m certainly not a member of Team Putin/Russia.

    But after her pathetically dishonest slandering campaign against Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett, I became fully convinced Sibel Edmonds is some sort of disinfo agent.

    In the following, J. Corbett of the Corbett Report, who had previously worked with Sibel Edmonds, easily exposes Sibel/new buds LIES and obfuscation about the brave Vanessa and Eva.
    Beware of this shyster…
    Fact Checking Newsbud’s “Syria Under Siege” Video

    Anyway, I do not believe the ZUSA regime change plans will work now… it is more of the same of what has been tried against Iran since the revolution.

    On The Path To Failure – U.S. Attempts Violent “Regime Change” In Iran

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/07/on-the-path-to-failure-us-goes-for-regime-change-in-iran.html

    • Agree: tac
    • Replies: @tac
    , @SolontoCroesus
  151. @Crawfurdmuir

    You are either very naive, or you are working for the Neocons. Ron Paul has called it exactly right. It’s just like those demonstrations in Ukraine where Victoria Nuland was plotting with Ambassador Pyatt on who their new government puppet would be and handing out cookies to the demonstrators. Never mind that Nuland bragged that the U.S. spent $5 billion on destabilizing Ukraine.

    It also reminds me of the line we were told about how the Iraqi people would welcome us with flowers if we toppled Saddam Hussein. Chalabi was our man back then. How many times do we have to travel down this same path of lies?

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
    , @Crawfurdmuir
  152. tac says:
    @Art

    Hi Art:

    Interesting tidbit by one of our Hasbara agents–even though the few times he/she is correct–we should, in the spirit of HONEST ‘debate’ make clear honest attempts when evidence is lacking and whenever it is clear-cut to concede certain claims; much like clearly demonstrated in the ‘redefining Zionism…’ thread about a certain ‘America is a golden calf’ supposed quote by Bibi–even though our adversaries will NEVER EVER concede any relevant point when it comes to protecting their tribe … Zilch!

    We STILL retain the higher ground in this so-called debate–all the while there is virtually no concessions by our detractors EVEN WHEN THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR AND CONVINCING!!! Which goes a long way to expose their true Israeli-Firster brainwashed mentality (one that from its very outset was built on totally authority and complete subjugation of the rest and ingrained deliberately for such total domination–No questions asked mentality!)

    Afterall, they would have you believe the G-d created non-Jews for the sole purpose of their Jew masters’ every wish:

  153. @L.K

    Thanks for the link to Moon of Alabama. He added useful information.

    I understand & agree that Sibol is sketchy

    But I think she made two decent points: MEK is a smokescreen, and among other things, ZUSA is working to turn Iranian military leaders against their government.

    And the effort to cause so much economic distress among Iranians that they will overthrow their government did not start “a year or two ago,” it started over ten years ago, and the intent was stated overtly by US congressmen.

    These are not new tactics.

    So the warning to look out for an internal coup is a useful bit of information.

    Thierry Meyssan reported a few days ago on the Iranian threat to block the Straits of Hormuz, and

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article201901.html

    and one of MoA’s commenters linked to a Southfront report that

    https://southfront.org/us-vessel-carrying-chemicals-enters-persian-gulf/

    a cargo vessel of the U.S. Navy carrying chemical materials had entered the Persian Gulf (Arabian Gulf). The vessel, which is escorted by a U.S. warship, is currently parked off the coast of an Arabian Gulf state.

    “Checking the records of the U.S. cargo vessel MV Cape Ray revealed that the vessel had been present in the coasts near Iraq and Syria where the Americans had launched a military aggression under the pretext of the use of chemical weapons by those countries,” Brig. Gen. Shekarchi said, according to the Iranian MEHR news agency.

    So I understand & appreciate your cautions about Edmonds,
    but
    things seem to be heating up.

    What are we going to do about it?

    Oh, I know.

    Leaders of major American Christian denominations and institutions can use their new hash tag Reclaiming Jesus to protest separating children from their parents.

    While, as PeterAUS observed, we sit passively and wait for Iranians to be separated from their lives, homes, culture.

    Isn’t it time the AMERICAN people took to the streets, burned some tires, lynched some effigies, threw blood in some botoxed faces, blocked bridges into DC and NYC, went on hunger strikes, stormed ADL headquarters and defied their censors, sued the cable companies and networks that purvey hate speech, threatened to DISCONNECT all cable connections until media starts telling the truth, the whole truth . . .

    What are we going to do to stop this madness?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Art
    , @Art
    , @Art
  154. “What are we going to do to stop this madness?”

    Nothing.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  155. MacNucc11 says:
    @MInnesota Mary

    Just to clarify, calling on a return of the Shah does not mean that the CIA has actual interest in this but it still serves a purpose for them. You have to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. It is used to create dissension or the appearance thereof and some people will think he has some legitimate claim on the government or that that this idea has legs among the Iranian people.

  156. MacNucc11 says:
    @peterAUS

    So you somehow think the Soldiers of God is a good idea to get behind. That all part of the Iranian people deserve better you were talking about? Sounds to me like they will be what you accuse Iran of now, a muslim theocracy. I have a great idea where you can focus your efforts for good. Find some group of disenfranchised people here in the U.S. and start bringing in foreign advisors with the hopes of overthrowing our oligarchy and setting up a western style democracy in the U.S.
    You will have the support of Antifa and the DNC. I am hoping to set myself up as a warlord and take bribes from all sides.

  157. @SolontoCroesus

    SolontoCroesus asked: “What are we going to do to stop this madness?”

    Hi S2C,

    There’s hard evidence of a sector of Ireland politics which favor boycott of goods produced in illegal Israeli settlements. Please refer (down below) to VT Gordon Duff’s article?

    FYI, in recent past, I mentioned this fact here @ U.R. and predicted the possibility of a retributive Israeli False Flag terror attack on Ireland.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @SolontoCroesus
  158. if other states in the region want to take on iran — for whatever reason, that seems more their business than ours.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Disagree: SolontoCroesus
  159. I disagree because USA and Israel are responsible for sowing much of the turmoil and animosity toward Iran.

    USA has an obligation to stand down its demonizing rhetoric and, to the extent possible, repair the damage it has caused. The American people and their government do not have the moral luxury of walking away from the train-wreck they caused.

    Israel? Israel does not believe the same rules that apply to the rest of civilization apply to the chosenites. As the political, economic and military superpower, USA has an obligation to the international community, in geopolitical terms (as well as moral terms), to its own citizens and to its foundational principles to rein in Israel by curtailing its unconditional support of Israel.

    Breaking the Jew taboo is a necessary first step, as Unz writers have urged.

    First statement said USA / Israel responsible for MUCH of the turmoil — but not all.
    There is simmering tension between Saudi Arabia and Iran. On Iran-Saudi relations and a pragmatic view of the range of tensions, test-drive Seyed Hossein Mousavian, former Iran ambassador to German, past member of Iran’s national security policy-making body

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?434512-2/regional-politics-iran-nuclear-agreement

    • Agree: L.K
  160. renfro says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Irish senate approves ban on products from Israeli settlements

    Despite anger from Israel, draft bill passes first round of voting in EU precedent

    Ireland’s senate has voted in favour of a bill banning the importation of products from Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories, paving the way for the country to become the first EU nation to enforce a boycott.

    The bill, which has faced angry Israeli opposition, prohibits “trade with and economic support for illegal settlements in territories deemed occupied under international law”.

    Having been approved in the upper house of the Irish parliament, the Seanad, the legislation will now need to get through more Seanad votes and then the lower house before becoming law.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/11/irish-senate-approves-ban-on-products-from-israeli-settlements

  161. @ChuckOrloski

    Hello Chuck Orloski!

    Your mention of Ireland fits in perfectly with comments Michael Jones made in a discussion of sexual politics and the New Left –

    in the context of the Irish vote — overwhelmingly in favor of abortion, Jones cited a statement in an 1890 essay in Civitate Catholica, the official magazine of the Vatican; it said, “Any country that turns away from the laws made by Christian rulers will end up being ruled by Jews.” (@ 57 min)

    So I suspect — am afraid, you are right: The Israeli power configuration already has its levers in place in Ireland.

  162. Art says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    we sit passively and wait for Iranians to be separated from their lives, homes, culture.

    S2C,

    Trump is threatening Russia with cutting of the gas pipe deal with Europe. His intent is to put pressure on Putin and Russia to do in Iran. The quid pro quo is the gas line is Ok, if you starve Iran.

    It is always all about the Jews – Russia, Iran, and Europe. Europe cannot heat their homes with Russian natural gas because of the fascist tribal Jews.

    Think peace — Do No Harm — Art

    p.s. Your gasoline prices are high because of the Jew pressure on Iran oil.

  163. MacNucc11 says:
    @renfro

    Where can someone locate the banned products? Could someone here provide a link?

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  164. Art says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    What are we going to do to stop this madness?

    S2C,

    Bitch like hell about paying an extra dollar for gas because Trump is putting sanctions on Iran oil for the mendacious Jews.

    Trump gives us 50 cents in tax relief, but takes away a dollar in gas prices. Hmm?

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  165. peterAUS says:
    @James Brown

    Nothing.

    Pretty much.

    The theocracy in Iran will have to fold and acquiesce to US Administration demands. All of them.

    The problem, of course, is that those demands aren’t really clear and can, actually will, change, demanding more and more.

    There will come that point where the very regime’s survival is threatened and it refuses further cooperation.
    Fine game.

    In any case (top) mullahs there are for some, say, challenging times.

    The best case scenario is some sort of international presence in Iran proving that the regime has nothing re subject of weapons of mass destruction. Say, like Japan or Germany. Makes you think, a?

    If mullahs are smart they’ll go for it. They’ll also tone down theocracy and more share power there which will benefit middle class. Definitely clamp down on corruption too.
    Did I say “challenging times”?

    Failing any of above, well, we’ll see fireworks there.

    And…hehehe….re your succinct comment, the majority in USA public sphere will support the intervention.
    The usual suspects, we know why.
    People who voted for Trump too. For very simple reason, as you said:

    If doesn’t attack Iran, he probably won’t finish his mandate. He will be impeached.

    If he attacks, he will be a war president. A ” great president”. He will be re-elected. Like Bush Jr.

    American people love their “commander in chief”.

    What is death of,say, 50 000 Iranians vs MAGA, jobs and stuff like that?
    I am positive that it’s quite acceptable price for Trump support base.
    Not that they’ll ever admit that, of course. Well, except a couple of those with enough moral courage, that is.
    I am sure we’ll see a lot of “virtue signalling”…hahaha…..a lot of “angry blogging”, fierce forums posts…..the usual. The usual “online confessional” to help copying with real life.

    Bottom line, all roads lead to the “theocracy in Iran folding“.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @annamaria
  166. tac says:

    Chiristian Zionist Secertery of State Mike Pompeo peddles for more pressure against Iran:

    Local Syrian ad for actors possibly of another false-flage attack?:

    MSM priorities:

    The leader of the EU is drunk again, but in EU language they call this “back pain”:

    https://twitter.com/V_of_Europe/status/1017478007768920065

    Syria Sitrep – Army Liberates Daraa City

    The whole Daraa governorate campaign in southwest Syria proceeded with astonishing speed. In just three weeks the government forces recovered 84% of the ‘rebel’ held territory and dozens of cities and villages with little force. Jordan and the U.S. had finally denied support for the ‘rebels’ and their only choices were to reconcile or to die.

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/07/syria-sitrep-army-liberates-daraa-city.html

  167. Art says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    What are we going to do to stop this madness?

    We need to get it, like the People of Germany do – they want peace.

    Trump says we defend you – so you must NOT do business with Russia.

    The people say “screw you Trump” – the Russian are Europeans just like us – we are brothers – there is no reason for forward looking enmity between us – we want peace and warm homes.

    Poll Shows Germans Want Trump to Follow Through With Troop Pullout Threat

    Last month, US media reported that the Trump administration commissioned a Pentagon report considering Washington’s options regarding its 35,000 troop-strong presence in Germany after the president expressed surprise at the cost of maintaining the presence.

    A YouGov poll commissioned by the German Press Agency found that a plurality of Germans would welcome a US withdrawal from their country.

    42% of those polled said they support withdrawal, with 37% against, and 21% undecided.

    The poll also found that supporters of the left-wing The Left party and the right-wing Alternative for Germany (AfD) parties were more likely to back US exit, with 67% of The Left supporters and 55% of AfD supporters in favor of the idea.

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201807111066270937-germans-support-us-troop-withdrawal/

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @L.K
  168. MacNucc11 says:

    Ok, so let me get this straight. You are worried about corruption of the theocracy in Iran while we have yet to see anyone do time for 2008 financial crisis where multiple banks intentionally bilked the U.S. economy of trillions and then handed out bonuses. We have a military that cannot account for funds allocated into the billions if not trillions. We have a government illegally spying on the citizens, lobbyists giving pay for play like it was a one stop marketplace. We have illegally invaded Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, etc. We have a government trying to overturn an election with criminal help from foreign actors. We have criminally supported terrorists around the globe. How much more corrupt can you get than all this and more? What exactly interest would the U.S. gov have in stopping corruption in Iran? It is a certainty that the first thing we will do is ramp up corruption in Iran. What exactly have we done for corruption in Iraq or Libya? Maybe you are not aware of the plight of our middle class. Is it possible you do not live in America? What will increased gas prices do to our middle class? You are awfully generous to Iranians at the cost of middle class Americans.

  169. I thought my opinion was very clear. So let me put it this way so no one will ever have any doubt.

    I am ALWAYS against wars. The only situation where war can be morally acceptable is in situation of self-defense. Ex: Syrian state defending against terrorists sent by MIC.

    And what is “self-defense’ is not a theoretical/legal question. Everyone knows what is self-defense except liars like King David, Bush Jr, Collin Powell, Tony Blair, Obama, Trump and the mafia that makes money selling us military industry spy complex.

    So when 157 SolontoCroesus asked a very good question : What are we going to do to stop this madness?, I answered – ” Nothing”- because I know that most American People, who are very busy with “bread and circuses” do not care what the criminals in Washington do in their name. That is just a fact.

    “The theocracy in Iran will have to fold and acquiesce to US Administration demands. All of them.”

    Why ? Who gives the US Administration the right to demand anything to the legitimate government of Iran ?

    “The best case scenario is some sort of international presence in Iran proving that the regime has nothing re subject of weapons of mass destruction”

    weapons of mass destruction ? Again ? Do you really believe the lies of King David about Iran building nuclear weapons ?

    “If mullahs are smart they’ll go for it. They’ll also tone down theocracy and more share power there which will benefit middle class. Definitely clamp down on corruption too.”

    It’s not you business or the USA’s what the mullahs do or don’t do. It’s up to the Iranian people decide.

    I believe that Iranian people would rather live in a secular regime than in a theocracy .

    But did you know that Iran was once a secular democracy ? Did you know, it’s highly likely that the mullahs were put in power by CIA/Mossad ?

    Why ? Because the worst enemy in the ME for Israel is a secular state .

    “re your succinct comment, the majority in USA public sphere will support the intervention.”

    Unfortunately. the majority in USA public sphere will support the intervention because they are brain dead.

    If you didn’t arrive yesterday from Mars, you should know by know that the destruction of Iran (like Iraq, Syrian, Lebanon) is in the interest of Israel.

    The mafia that controls the USA will tell Trump what he should do if he wants to be re-elected. Trump will do what is told to do.

    You, as a human being , you should not hate. You should be against all wars.

    “Only the unnatural and unloved hate”. Don’t hate.

    No American should lose a finger for Greater Israel.

    • Agree: Cloak And Dagger
    • Replies: @peterAUS
  170. MacNucc11 says:
    @anonymous

    I beg to differ on Putin but maybe you know more than me. Quite possible, otherwise, amen I say amen.

  171. @peterAUS

    this is OT, so Moral of the Story will come first:

    MotS: Sometimes, push-back comes from unlikely places, and can change the entire trajectory of the discourse.

    The Situation: received an email from “Independent Institute” advertising new book by Stephen J. Halbrook, Gun Control in Nazi-Occupied France: Tyranny and Resistance. [pace Wally]
    WorldCat has no log of such a book, but I did research Independent Institute — it’s an NRA operation –, and also listened to Halbrook speak on the topic, “Are There Lessons for Us Today from Nazi Gun Control?”

    As might be expected, to someone with my bent, Halbrook’s rhetorically piss-poor presentation was pocked with disinformation and outright falsehoods. It’s not worth the time to list and refute them, except to say that the concept of Jewish victimhood and of Nazi/Hitler irrational, visceral, full-spectrum hatred of Jews that motivated taking guns from Jews was the dominant theme, and the notion that “Nazis took guns away from Jews” to the grave detriment of Jewish wellbeing, was repeated time beyond counting.

    The interesting element came in the Q&A: @ 58 min, an audience member said,

    “My comment is a bit late. I would have wished that you had entitled your book, Gun Control in the Weimar Republic, because so many people that I have talked to and raised this issue with have sort of made it sound irrelevant, saying, Well, they were Nazis so what can you expect. But the fact that the gun control originated in the Weimar Republic, a democratic republic, is the real lesson to be learned from history. But, maybe you’ll write another book.”

    Halbrook responded:

    No, that’s a very good point and I’ve got three whole chapters on that. We’re only talking about the title and probably if I’d said, Gun Control in the Weimar Republic nobody would buy it. [audience laughter]

    Thus, catching the public eye, even inaccurately or dishonestly, for gain or for propaganda value, is acceptable, even laugh-worthy.

    What if the book had been accurately titled, “Gun Control in the Jewish-dominated Weimar Republic”? The phrasing is accurate: even Yad Vashem reports that Jews dominated Weimar. But ADL would have called that title “antisemitic” or hate-speech.

    If it is hate speech to accurately report on Jewish activity in Germany, why is it not hate speech to inaccurately or falsely impugn German activity in Germany?

    In a presentation for the Truth and Justice for Germans Society in Vancouver, author Frank Raymond argued precisely that point: the German people have been relentlessly shamed and made the object of hate. The German people have the same right to be protected against hate speech as any other group.

    NRA has deep pockets. They support and endorse Stephen Halbrook’s publications and presentations. There is no reason why they should not find themselves on the other side of a lawsuit for promoting hate speech.

    (Iran and Iranians come under a similar umbrella: speech that purposely seeks to arouse hatred of Iran/ Iranians is hate speech, by definition. It should be sanctioned under the same legal principles as are imposed with respect to all other groups. Media corporations have deep pockets. They should find themselves on the other side of some passionate lawyers, or law school students, replicating the activities of, for example, the Loyola Law School Project https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/17/us/wrongfully-convicted-man-free-after-32-years/index.html , might be one means of short-circuiting the only route PeterAUS envisions to resolving the Iran conflict. )

    Sue the bastards.

    Sue the government.

    Sue the CIA.

    Give law school students some real education in the real world work of making the legal system work for everyone. Unzites can provide expert advice on how to understand and deal interpret Talmudism, zionism, etc.

    Tie up Comcast, and CNN, and NRA, in noisy lawsuits every time they spew lies about evil Nazis: hate speech for one is hate speech for all.

    This has gone on too long, but there’s one more situation that arose in the Halbrook talk: a member of the audience asked:

    “Considering that there were very few Jews in Germany, compared to, say, Poland, how many Jews in Germany actually owned weapons? “

    Halbrook responded:

    “There’s no way to know how many Jews or how many Aryans or anybody else”

    [The core of Halbrook's research and a focus of his NRA argument was that gun owners were registered by the state.]
    Audience:

    “They knew who was Jewish, therefore they knew who to send out orders to surrender them.”

    Halbrook:

    [quibbles unconvincingly]

    Audience:

    “The only reason those few Jews who had guns had them, was for target shooting and sport. They didn’t hunt; we don’t hunt for food, it’s not kosher.”

    That’s fascinating: a person who is apparently Jewish is calling into question the basis and accuracy of Halbrook’s argument.

    People like Halbrook, and NRA, and the myriad other organizations and interests that continually raise the holocaust issues and historicity are, at least in this instance, not serving Jewish interests or even representing them appropriately; non-Jews are making use of Jews to perpetuate the demonization of Nazis, in this instance, and a Jew is resisting that expropriation.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  172. @Art

    that sucks.

    makes me ashamed.

    the balance scales read:

    70 million Iranian lives threatened vs. BITCH BITCH BITCH $.30 a gallon more for gas!!!

    fail

    • Replies: @Art
  173. peterAUS says:
    @James Brown

    My apologies. Sort of.

    I thought we were discussing reality here, not indulging in “virtue signalling”.
    How to put it politely: nobody gives a shit what you, me, or anyone posting here feels about Iran, wars, or actually anything. Nobody of importance I mean.

    I get that most of people here are into that thing.
    That’s O.K.

    My (only) interest is trying to find out what’s happening, and even more importantly, what’s going to happen. Or, are nukes going to fly or not. Simple.
    Around 5 % of posters here, tops, are into that. I tend to communicate with those. Ignore the rest.

    So, I’ll also also make my opinion clear:
    The regime in Tehran, as it is now, will go away, one way or another.

    The best case scenario, for Iranians, is that mullahs play a very fine and competent game with U.S. Administration.
    Can they do it remains to be seen.

    The worst case scenario, for Iranians, is to get hammered by U.S. military for a couple of months and get their way of life pushed back 30-years (infrastructure etc.).

    As for USA and West in general:
    Your types will keep expressing their outrage online.
    Average types will keep going on with their lives not paying much attention to all that.
    Top types will keep playing their game of money and power.

    Rinse and repeat.

    • Replies: @James Brown
  174. annamaria says:
    @peterAUS

    “The theocracy in Iran …”
    Iran is no danger to humanity whereas the theocratic Jewish State is. Even the psychopathic deciders recognize this, for their own sake.
    The sooner Jewish State is left to its own devices, that is, the sooner the talmudic supremacists are forced to learn how to coexist with their cousins, the better for humanity at large.

  175. @MacNucc11

    Easy – just get this free app for either Android or iOS and use it next time you go shopping for groceries:

    https://www.buycott.com/

  176. peterAUS says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    MotS: Sometimes, push-back comes from unlikely places, and can change the entire trajectory of the discourse.

    Agree.

    You lost me on

    Gun Control in Nazi-Occupied France: Tyranny and Resistance.

    You want to hear my opinion about “gun control”?
    Here it is:

    Gun control has NOTHING to do with (armed) resistance against State.
    I know that an average American can’t get that fact into his/her head and, honestly, can’t care less.

    When there is a will, a kitchen knife will suffice.
    When there is no will no amount of toys will make any difference. Except in maintaining the self-delusion.

    And there is where the serious conversation of the topic stops.
    Certain things can’t be posted here, or anywhere, by anybody with brains.
    If we had a quiet chat somewhere in park, maybe, just maybe, I could say something. If I trusted you, that is.
    Funny, a?

  177. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Everyone, including the FORMER CIA Officer, must read the following article by F. William Engdahl.

    This article reveals that the stupid US policy and its executor, an illiterate, ignorant warmonger, Trump is threatening Iran to give up her control of its own resources (OIL AND GAS) to the thieves, using propaganda, threat, and invasion to bring OIL WELLS under US control, to benefit the criminal class, like himself.

    He wants Iran becomes the SECOND SAUDI ARABIA meaning put her Oil wealth in the service of the criminals and sent their children to fight and be killed for the parasite Class, what Saudi Arabia and European colonies are doing.

    He is threatening Iranian people with starvation. All these threat ARE AGAINST THE INTERNATIONAL LAW and has NO right to do so.

    The world population MUST ASK: on what basis Trump dares to threaten Iran and its population, over 85 millions? What has Iran done?
    He is a criminal as well as a charlatan. Only dummies think he is more ‘peaceful’. Watch out for the phony ‘left’ and ‘progressives’.

    https://journal-neo.org/2018/07/06/washington-s-latest-myths-lies-and-oil-wars/

    [MORE]

    As American motorists complain of rising gasoline prices, the Trump Administration and the oil and banking interests behind it are smiling on their way to the proverbial bank. If we look at seeming disparate events in Iran, in Venezuela and now in Libya it becomes clear there is a coherent strategy to promote disruption in key oil flows to the immediate advantage of US oil domination.

    Iran not about nuclear but oil

    The obvious point about the Trump administration unilateral rejection of the Iran nuclear agreement, an agreement that was to have enabled Iran to be free from Western economic sanctions and open the way for billions of dollars of foreign investments, above all in her oil and gas industry, is the fact that it had nothing to do with Iran’s nuclear plans per se. It has immediately to do with an excuse to re-impose economic sanctions on Iran oil sales and oil and gas development.
    Ignoring UN IAEA reports finding Iran compliant with the nuclear agreement, the Trump Administration in May unilaterally announced a de facto end to the agreement to the protests of EU, Russia and China signatories. On November 4, barring an unlikely Iran capitulation to Washington demands, severe new sanctions targeting mainly Iran oil exports will come into force. Washington is linking its actions to Iran’s agreeing to withdraw support for Shi’ite forces in Yemen and Assad in Syria. Since the nuclear agreement, Iran’s state oil company has managed to rebuild oil exports to almost 4 million barrels daily, near the pre-sanction levels. Through secondary sanctions Washington is making clear EU or other companies aiding Iran to continue oil exports will be sanctioned in any business in the US, a hard hurdle.

    Venezuela as well
    At the same time the Trump administration renews targeting Iranian oil in world markets, with a delay until November, it is encouraging the complete collapse of the Venezuela oil production as part of Washington’s ongoing financial and political war against the Maduro government.

    And Libya now

    While oil traders have reacted to the supply reductions in both Iran and Venezuela sending prices for various grades of crude oil sharply higher above $70 for the first time in three years, the market situation, seen from the standpoint of the US oil industry, especially shale oil, is not yet secure. That is changing, however, given recent developments in Libya.
    Ever since Washington’s “humanitarian” bombing of Qaddafi’s Libya, then one of the most economically advanced countries in Africa, the country has been in a de facto civil war and political division. On the one side is a UN-imposed and Washington supported regime in Tripoli, a deceptively-namedGovernment of National Accord, under an appointed Prime Minister and alsohead of the Presidential Council (PC), Fayez Al-Sarraj. Al-Sarraj is backed by the Muslim Brotherhood, the secretive political Salafist organization behind the Washington-backed Arab Spring and the Mohammed Morsi regime in Egypt. The Tripoli group is also backed by the USA, UK and France.

    US Shale: a New Oil Geopolitics?

    Scott Sheffield the chairman of the Texas-based Pioneer Resources, one of the largest US shale oil producers, in a recent interview in Vienna during the recent OPEC meeting, declared that before the end of this year, that the United States will pass Russia to become the world’s largest oil producer. He stated that US production will exceed 11 million barrels daily in 3-4 months and could “very quickly” reach 13 million bpd, and 15 million bpd within seven or eight years, based on production of shale oil from places like the Permian Basin in Texas. He stated that the most favorable price for shale right now is in a range of $60 to $80 a barrel. Could it be that by targeting the oil supplies of Iran, of Venezuela and now of Libya the influential energy companies behind the Trump foreign policy, are aiming to insure that US shale oil floods the world market in coming months to displace not only that oil but also, increasingly, Russian oil?

    Notably, Iran has accused the United States of withdrawing from the JCPOA in order to raise the price of oil. On May 11, Iranian oil minister BijanNamdarZangemeh declared “President Trump playing double game in oil market. Some OPEC members playing into US hands. US seeking to boost shale oil production.”

    https://journal-neo.org/2018/07/06/washington-s-latest-myths-lies-and-oil-wars/

    • Replies: @L.K
  178. @MInnesota Mary

    Not all anti-Islamic Republic demonstrations in Iran have been monarchist. I doubt that the monarchist ones are supported by the CIA, the State Department, etc. Have you ever heard of a neocon advocating monarchy? I haven’t. The experts in the permanent government, the academy, and the think-tanks would much rather have some character like Chalabi or Karzai than a monarch, because they are fixed on the idea that they can set up American-style “democracy” in countries that have no cultural tradition of it.

    Monarchism at least offers us the ability to install a friendlier despot, as Lord Roberts did in Afghanistan during the Second Afghan War; at best it offers the possibility of developing a system of constitutional government in countries where the social order is too unstable to assure orderly succession of periodically-elected heads of state.

  179. Art says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    the balance scales read:

    70 million Iranian lives threatened vs. BITCH BITCH BITCH $.30 a gallon more for gas!!!

    S2C,

    You got me hands down on the virtue angle.

    Still I would like to know why we the American people (330,000,000) are paying a premium on a gallon of gas, strictly to benefit Israel and Jews.

    The American people are ignorant about the whys of Iran – but not so much about pocket book matters.

    Maybe the latter will trigger the former? Let us hope!

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  180. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    Pepe Escobar in http://www.atimes.com

    ” Silliman delivered a unanimous package of demands to all of them, in an “offer you can’t refuse” style.

    These are Washington’s four demands to recognize the next Iraqi Prime Minister:

    30% of all the oil in Iraq should be American-controlled – and it’s up to the US do what it wants with it.
    Washington must have full access and control of Iraqi banks.

    3. All business and trade with Iran must cease right now.

    4. The Hashd al-Shaabi, known as People Mobilization Units (PMUs), instrumental in the victorious fight against Daesh (Islamic State), must be immediately disbanded.

    This comes from a top Iraqi official present at all the meetings who told Asia Times sources what happened in these exact same words.

    Virtually no political factions in Iraq trust the US – be they Shi’ite, Sunni, Yazidis and even most Kurdish factions. But the problem is the overwhelming majority of Iraqi politicians are involved in massive corruption, and a substantial number believe they need American “protection”. ”

    America looks for corrupt leaders The corruption allows it to leverage and issue demands .

    It is same story everywhere and it is the same methods that US has seen succeeding with least cost to it’s efforts money and pressure.

  181. L.K says:
    @tac

    Didn’t Sibel Edmonds also get pretty anxious with folks mentioning the OBVIOUS Zionist involvement with the 9-11 false flag attacks?

  182. annamaria says:

    meanwhile in the bloodied Syria: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/07/syria-sitrep-army-liberates-daraa-city.html#more

    We should not forget the well-compensated presstitutes/propagandists Orlando Von Einsiedel and Joanna Natasegara: https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-fraud-of-the-white-helmets/
    Let them rot in hell for their glorification and apologetics of the US/NATO crimes against humanity in the Middle East.
    These two obliging scoundrels, Einsiedel & Natasegara, knew pretty well that they were dealing with ziocons’ commission when producing the fraudulent concoction “White Helmets.”
    “Syrian War Propaganda at the Oscars,” by Rick Sterling: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/02/24/syrian-war-propaganda-at-the-oscars/
    “The White Helmets are a “complete propaganda construct,” by Vanessa Beeley: https://www.mintpressnews.com/john-pilger-the-white-helmets-are-a-complete-propaganda-construct/228238/
    “An examination of a White Helmets video, conducted by Swedish medical doctors, specialists in various fields, including pediatrics, have revealed that the ‘life-saving’ procedures seen in the film are incorrect – in fact life-threatening – or simply fake, including simulated emergency resuscitation techniques being used on already lifeless children:” http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_76178.shtml

  183. L.K says:
    @anonymous

    This article reveals that the stupid US policy and its executor, an illiterate, ignorant warmonger, Trump is threatening Iran to give up her control of its own resources (OIL AND GAS) to the thieves, using propaganda, threat, and invasion to bring OIL WELLS under US control, to benefit the criminal class, like himself.

    W. E has written some good articles and books but this is MISDIRECTION.

    The main reason that explains the irrational ZUS behavior towards Iran is the Zionist power configuration and its entity ‘Israel’. Not everything is about oil.

  184. L.K says:
    @Art

    If Germany had not become the masochistic dump that it became after decades of Allied atrocity propaganda brainwashing, 100% of the people would be demanding the zamericans to get the hell out.
    In fact all Europeans should require ZUS bases to be closed & NATO, an instrument of ZAmerican imperialism, to be dismantled.

    Anyway, Zionist power in the ZUSA is so entrenched that we see a situation such as the following:

    Netanyahu May Offer Putin: Remove Iran From Syria for Lifting of U.S. Sanctions on Russia

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-netanyahu-may-offer-putin-iran-out-of-syria-u-s-lifts-sanctions-1.6265530

    So, basically war criminal Netanyahu might have told Putin that he can turn ZUS sanctions against Russia on and off if he so wishes… the tail does indeed wag the sick dog…

    It appears the meeting between Nutty and Putin has already happened…

    E. Magnier, who is an expert reporting on the region, tweeted a few hours ago;

    Also, the content of Putin-Netanyahu meeting was very disappointing to #Israel. Putin was very clear with his guest and offered no concessions (but one small window). More details soon….

    • Replies: @Art
  185. @Art

    You are probably right, Art.

    Whatever it takes to wake up the American people —
    A tragedy that all Americans do not read Unz every day with their morning coffee.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  186. KenH says:

    I believe Trump wants to bring closure to the N. Korea situation so he and the Jews and goy neo-cons in his entourage can turn their evil gaze towards Syria and Iran. It seems the strategy is to weaken Iran with crushing sanctions leading to internal disarray and regime change which would then isolate and weaken Syria and Hezbollah possibly result in the fall of the Assad regime.

    It’s the new domino theory. Then the realm will then be secured for our greatest ally in the middle east! Of course they’ll probably be lots of unintended consequences like crushing gas prices and millions of refugees, but Izzy won’t have to bear any of them since that’s the job of their goy slaves in American, Europe and the rest of the Western world.

    This isn’t what we deplorables voted for but it looks like we’re going to get it anyway. MIGA!

    • Agree: Mike P
    • Replies: @peterAUS
  187. peterAUS says:
    @KenH

    I’d just edit the post a bit:

    I believe Trump wants to bring closure to the N. Korea situation so The Empire can turn its gaze towards Syria and Iran. It seems the strategy is to weaken Iran with crushing sanctions leading to internal disarray and regime change which would then isolate and weaken Syria and Hezbollah possibly result in the fall of the Assad regime.

    It’s the new domino theory. Of course they’ll probably be lots of unintended consequences like crushing gas prices and millions of refugees, increased likelihood of terrorist/freedom fighter attacks, growing surveillance state etc.

    This isn’t what we deplorables voted for but it looks like we’re going to get it anyway.

    • Replies: @KenH
  188. @peterAUS

    @peterAUS

    “I thought we were discussing reality here”

    You mean “reality” created by Zionist International Mafia -ZIM ?

    You don’t discuss that reality. You debunk it.

    “nobody gives a shit what you, me, or anyone posting here feels about Iran, wars, or actually anything.”

    That’ s false. Just read some posts.

    “Nobody of importance I mean.”

    Because you believe “important people” are those criminals selling the war against Iran ?

    “My (only) interest is trying to find out what’s happening”

    That’s impossible because you’re living in The Matrix.

    “and even more importantly, what’s going to happen.”

    Even those who are not living in The Matrix don’t know that. We can only speculate. Only God knows “what’ going to happen.”

    “The regime in Tehran, as it is now, will go away, one way or another.”

    Maybe. Maybe not. It depends how much damage Iran can cause to Israel and its colony “Saudi Arabia”. I presume this is one of the reason why ZIM prefers regime change. It would be better for Israel. Less chosen people would be killed.

    “Your types will keep expressing their outrage online.”

    I don’t do outrage. I am just against all wars except wars of self defense.

    “Average types will keep going on with their lives not paying much attention to all that.”

    Your only correct statement. And one can add, that’s a tragedy.

    “Top types will keep playing their game of money and power.”

    And if you’re not a fool you should be against that game and try to do something about it.

    The first step is to start by acknowledging that the game they’re playing is an immoral game and all those who are trying to be decent human beings, must be against that game.

  189. KenH says:
    @peterAUS

    Good edit. I forgot about the possible terrorist/fourth gen warfare cells that Iran is likely to have in N. America and will activate. We can thank our ultra liberal immigration system and reckless foreign policy if and when that day ever comes.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
    , @peterAUS
  190. Them Guys says:
    @KenH

    KenH: Good edit he did?!….Did you see what he edited? He Removed the words you wrote of …

    so he and the Jews and goy neo-cons in his entourage can turn their evil gaze towards Syria and Iran.

    And replaced it with the word “The Empire” And left Out the word “Evil”.

    IMHO it is Not a good edit at all, but rather another lame attempt at, Defending and Covering up For jews at every chance he can find, even though he claims to not be a jew himself.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @L.K
    , @KenH
  191. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    BEIRUT, LEBANON (8:00 P.M.) – The family of James Foley has filed a lawsuit against the Syrian government via the U.S. District Court in Washington D.C., alleging they played a role in the brutal death of the journalist.

    According to the lawsuit, “Daesh was operating with the material support of the Syrian
    Arab Republic (hereinafter “Syria” or “Assad Regime”). Syrian President Bashar al-Assad
    (hereinafter “Assad”) and his security apparatus deliberately took steps to help create and
    thereafter greatly assisted Daesh in its terrorist operations, which it used as a sham opponent in the Syrian civil war to bolster Syria’s negotiating power against Western powers threatening the Assad regime.”

    “Assad secretly cooperated with Daesh to destroy other opposition groups all the
    while declaring war against ‘terrorists

    AMN news

    It cant get any better.

    May be Iraqis and Syrians and Libyans will sue the USA UK France for allowing the ex felons to return to US cabinet, for allowing the unelected leaders ratchet up pressure, for allowing Bernard Levy to promote war , for allowing war criminals like Sharon create OSP and Iranian Directorate in addition to other potential lawsuits .

  192. Zumbuddi says:
    @Them Guys

    Agree.

    P AUS displays all the bloodythirsty tendencoes of Rabbinic Phariseeism.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  193. L.K says:
    @Them Guys

    The warmongering coward peterAUS is an obvious NEOCON type shill.

    The little keyboard commando is on record here at Unz stating he is for a uni-polar world dominated by the ZUSA hegemon.

    Recently he was seen in ‘action’ justifying the Zionist shootings of 100s of unarmed Palestinian protesters out of the open air prison of Gaza.

    The guy is a total scumbag.

  194. Them Guys says:
    @Zumbuddi

    So far just about every reply posting P AUS has written, sounds to me as if he thinks he is some type High- Intel that has a PHD in everything, but, a J.O.B! Yet many times his ramblings read more like typical mambo jahambos of a much lesser status. Or an Imposter perhaps.

    And he no doubt, like several others here at unz, for some goofy unknown reasons are totally unable to do anything else but unquestionably defend jews and jewish issues period. The uncanny thing of it, and it applies to them all, is that iirc every single one has stated that they are Not a jew. Yet they keep defending jews more so than a real jew does most times.

    It can only be that lifelong constantly applied jewdeo run propaganda that so many goyim folk have been so indoctrinated with eh. Much like dem liberal lefty Marxist mentality, it seems to permeate the very core of folks brains. And once fully ingrained and imbedded within those minds, it looks as if it is a near impossibility for some folk to rid themselves of it. Maybe this is main reason that it seems to be so small of a percentage of general population who are able to over come it and get Jewized up, like many here at unz are.

    It is almost like a Germ or disease and once some folk get inflicted by jewish propagandas, it is akin to a, No cure in sight, or antibiotic resistant sickness. One would think with so many vaccines available for so many ailments today, there by now would have been a good vaccine invented to thwart off the germ or even cure badly inflicted persons no?

    Jewry would then protest if a vaccine was avail. due to seeing signs at every Dr. Clinic and Drug Store advertising the new “Holyhoax and Jewish propaganda Vaccine Cure.. Get your Vaccine shot here Now before Long Lines form!” heh heh heh…I can just picture such a sign ad eh!

  195. @SolontoCroesus

    Iranians with a longer historic memory are aware that as many as 10 million Persians died of starvation in the course of WWI, when the British occupied Iran to supply and stage its war activities http://www.payvand.com/news/12/oct/1234.html

    Thanks for the reminder. Damn, yer good!

  196. peterAUS says:
    @KenH

    Actually, I believe that the regime in Tehran won’t encourage, let alone activate, those cells/individuals in West. At least not publicly.
    The damage such attacks would do is practically negligible compared to outrage they’d create among (average) citizenry in West. Which, of course, would simply fuel the war effort, meaning heavier “ordnance delivery” onto Iran.

    What is likely to happen, though, should the shooting around/in Iran start, is that we’ll have sporadic attacks in West done by individuals/cells not directly related to Iran, just motivated enough, on religious reasons, to do that.

    There are plenty possible scenarios re the conflict and, well, even a possibility for not having a conflict at all.
    If…if mullahs are really smart and competent they’ll bend enough to take the heat off without seriously damaging their power. At least at short term.

    I am actually surprised by Russian and Chinese inaction here.
    Sort of surprised.

    All what is needed is a strong international presence in Iran proving that the regime isn’t developing nuclear weapons.
    I am positive that, say, a team/commission comprised of Russian and Chinese specialists can do that with ease.
    Actually…..this would be a perfect opportunity for any country of this planet opposing the “intervention” to participate in that “commission”. Especially by strong media presence of its work in all those countries.
    Empire’s propaganda would have hard time countering all that.
    Hell, it could be even a starting effort to build some sort of counter to The Empire in general.

    Not seeing that effort is, sort of, puzzling.
    Sort of.

    In the game of power between major powers countries as Iran are just pawns.
    People of Iran there just expendable assets.
    Emphasize on expendable.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  197. Art says:
    @L.K

    L.K,

    Trump is promoting the Jew, Boris Johnson as Brit PM – when will it end?

    He says that he is going to hurt Iran so much that they will beg him for relief.

    He says he will starve them into Israeli submission. What a guy!

    Of course his meeting with Putin will revolve around Israel.

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  198. @SolontoCroesus

    SolontoCroesus pondered, wrote: “A tragedy that all Americans do not read Unz every day with their morning coffee.”

    Hi S2C,

    Prologue, fyi, Ireland remained neutral duing cash-cow Cold War decades, & to date is not a NATO country.

    Regarding your words above, & as my hometown Scranton is notably pro-Irish, I am wondering if local citizens know that the Israeli Defense Minister, Avigdor Lieberman, is on OFFENSE because of Ireland’s (leftist) political will to boycott goods produced in the o.ccupied West Bank?

    Ah shucks — I wonder if Pennsylvania’s US Senator Bobby Casey (D) and Scranton’s influential “Sons of Saint Patrick” know that Zionist Jews want to dictate Ireland’s import-commerce choices?

    At any rate, refer to Lieberman’s “Erin go claw” anti-diplomacy, below?

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5308756,00.html

    Thanks, S2C.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Them Guys
  199. tac says:

    Latest Elijah Magnier article (2018-7-13):

    A top decision maker in Syria has said “the US has sent a message to the Syrian president Bashar al-Assad that expresses the US establishment’s wishes. Under these wishes there is an Israeli goal compatible with Donald Trump’s objective to pull out its own forces from Syria with as little damage as possible. Trump would like to avoid the same fate that hit the US forces during Georges Bush’s era where thousands of US soldiers were killed in action”.

    According to the source involved in overseeing the entire military operation for the last years of war in Syria, “President Assad was very clear in his answer to the US establishment. Syria – said Assad – is determined to liberate the entire Syrian territory regardless of the consequences. There is of course a price to be paid to obtain the liberation of north Syria which is occupied by both the US and Turkey, neither of whom were invited by the Syrian government: this price is worth it”.

    The American message is clear:”The US will leave al-Tanf crossing and abandon north-east Syria in al-Hasaka and Deirezzour as soon as possible. The only condition is for Russia and Syria to guarantee a total withdrawal of all Iranian forces from the Levant. The US is ready to leave the Kurds and let these continue their negotiation with Damascus. The US establishment will recognise[sic] Assad’s authority over Syria but Iran must leave”.

    Assad responded: “Iranian forces and their allies came to Syria under an official request by the central government and will leave when this government asks the allied forces to leave, and only when all terrorists have been eradicated from the Levant”.

    “You – said Assad – came to Syria without any permission and occupied our territory. It is therefore our duty to push you out by all means. You shall not obtain by negotiation and peace what you failed to obtain after seven years of war”.

    https://ejmagnier.com/2018/07/13/us-message-to-assad-we-will-pull-out-of-al-tanf-and-the-north-if-iran-withdraws-from-syria/

    The Syrian army and the allies of Hezbollah and Iran are preparing to finish off the last pockets of militants and jihadists in the city of Daraa (the western part of it), as well as the Quneitra governorate, where the “Islamic State -Welayat Houran” (ISIS in Quneitra) militants are in control of 18 km along the 1974-line separating Syria from the occupied Golan. The presence of these terrorist groups has been tolerated and even supported by Israel in the last years of the Syrian war.

    The next battle will be decisive in ending all pockets outside the authority of the Damascus government. Despite this fact Israel is still trying to intervene in the Syrian south, resisting any acceptance of the status quo: the years of war are over on its borders, and Syria is regaining the control of its territory. Actually, it is also the Israeli officials who are breathing their last in the Syrian war, which is nearing its end. What will remain to be liberated is the US &Turkish occupied North of Syria.

    But the failure of the regime change is not hitting only Israel but the entire assembly of pundits in Arab and western countries.

    https://ejmagnier.com/2018/07/13/israels-last-breath-in-southern-syria-hezbollah-and-iran-confront-isis-in-quneitra/

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  200. geokat62 says:

    CBC News has just broke this unbelievable story:

    … House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi demanded that Trump not only address the issue with Bibi, but seek an agreement in writing to prevent future meddling.

    “President Trump must demand and secure a real, concrete and comprehensive agreement that the Israelis will cease their ongoing attacks on our democracy,” Pelosi said. “Failure to stand up to Bibi would constitute a profound betrayal of the Constitution and our democracy.”

    [MORE]

    As I said, it’s unbelievable. Here’s the actual quote:

    … House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi demanded that Trump not only address the issue with Putin, but seek an agreement in writing to prevent future meddling.

    “President Trump must demand and secure a real, concrete and comprehensive agreement that the Russians will cease their ongoing attacks on our democracy,” Pelosi said. “Failure to stand up to Putin would constitute a profound betrayal of the Constitution and our democracy.”

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/indictments-russia-mueller-probe-1.4745718

    • LOL: Cloak And Dagger
    • Replies: @Miro23
  201. @ChuckOrloski

    Don’t DO that, geokat62, I have a weak heart.
    Pelosi being Pelosi. Pathetic.


    Lieberman’s growing a tad rotund. How would he know which cheek is which?

    Bob Casey was escorted to Israel even before the Santorum – Casey contest got off the ground. Upon his return, his Israeli handlers pressed the Kosher stamp of approval on his forehead. He hasn’t deviated from script from that day.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  202. Art says:

    The Jew deep state doing its dirty mendacious tricks.

    Dirty Rosenstein manipulating America for his tribe.

    Mueller indictment ‘aims to spoil’ Trump-Putin summit – Russian Foreign Ministry

    The indictment of 12 Russians for allegedly hacking the Democratic Party in 2016 appear to be politically motivated, with the goal of spoiling the upcoming Helsinki summit, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

    “It is regrettable that spreading false information has become the norm in Washington, and [the] indictments are based on openly political motives,” the ministry said on Friday, responding to the announcement by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. “The question is for how long will they continue to flog this shameful comedy that disgraces the US.”

    Claiming that the people indicted are intelligence officers and hackers does not make them either, the ministry said, adding that the allegation of illegal entry into Democratic Party computers is not backed by any factual evidence.

    https://alethonews.com/2018/07/13/mueller-indictment-aims-to-spoil-trump-putin-summit-russian-foreign-ministry/

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

  203. geokat62 says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Don’t DO that, geokat62, I have a weak heart.

    LOL. It was meant to strike a little fear into the hearts of our interlocutors, S2C.

    Having said that, this day will come as sure as the sun rises in the east.

  204. KenH says:
    @Them Guys

    You’re right. I was on my way out the door and did not read it carefully before responding. Unless “the Empire” is a euphemism for the Jewish dictatorship over American foreign policy then the original stands.

    • Agree: Them Guys
  205. @Rogue

    Perhaps he’s stuck back in the 16th century when the Pope of the time gave the Portuguese (in writing) the right to take Muslims and pagans into “perpetual slavery” and when lots of women were tortured and burned as witches.

  206. @Art

    Where do you get Boris Johnson as a Jew? Of course his Turkish ancestry is a bit obscured by those blue eyes and blonde head of hair.

    • Replies: @Art
  207. Them Guys says:
    @peterAUS

    Well if you paid real atten. to Irans famous Nuke situation, Atten to Other than MSM crys and propaganda accusations…..Then you would know that for a long while now, perhaps a Decade(?) About 150 Nations Top UN approved Nuke Experts like what you think a great plan idea, has each nation sent teams of several such nuke experts. And most have probably spent more time combing and searching literally every square inch of Iran, then they spent at home lately. To Date every single team leader has stated in no uncertain terms that, Iran has indeed fully complied with every aspect demanded by that, is it 6-7 Major Joint nations treaty made with Iran…The treaty or agreement Trump trashed a few weeks ago.

    Not due to Irans not obeying it, but rather to please NuttyYahoo and Israeli fanatics. And usa/eu nations Equally Fanatical NeoCon Israel firsters.

    Every single of aprox 150 Nations combined Expert teams has verified again and again, on a near monthly basis that NO improper Nuke materials, nor workings etc have gone on within Irans borders period. Yet those loonybin neocons and Israeli Jews just keep spewing same lies and attempts to scare the pants off of duped TV news viewers, and claim exact opposite results. Now even a 10 yr old kid can comprehend that when every team of 150 countries verify the same info and totally inspect every nook and cranny in Iran lands, they cannot all be lying eh.

    And any person who thinks it a great thing for neocons and jewzios should start a real live WWIII, with Iran?….Is a fool at best for then entire world will see the reality of what a real live Nukes fly war will look like.

    Maybe most jews and Israelis believe that no matter what happens, even a real nuke wwiii event wont harm a hair on a single jews head, due to their Elder Zio Pharisee’s can slit throats of a few Cattle and Burn those cattle on some makeshift alter, thus it shall invoke a special super duper act of god and god will envelope every jew in some type invisible protection screen or Dome around Israel, and NY and where ever any jews live at….So none get harmed…Cooler heads, wiser folk, and non fanatics globally disagree on that method and do not wish to see world as scorched earth policy made so famous by the jew karl marx’s crazed rants eh.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  208. Them Guys says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Chuck, I as an Irish guy too was just wondering about the famous story we all know of since small kids. That story of how what made St.Patrick famous was that he forced/kicked out the Snakes which infested Ireland…What I still wonder of is, do you think “Snakes” in that sense was really code word for “jews”?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  209. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:

    In 2010 Secretary of State Clinton pressed Syrian President Bashar al Assad to comply with Israeli and US calls to stop supporting the Lebanese resistance and break relations with Iran.  https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/09/30/the-wicked-war-on-syria-hillary-clinton-in-her-own-words/

    Now the tone is different . The demands are same though.
    It reminds of the demands made against Hizbollah after the dust of the war 0f 2006 has settled down .

  210. Art says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Where do you get Boris Johnson as a Jew?

    Wiki: Johnson has described himself as a “one-man melting pot” – with a combination of Muslims, Jews, and Christians as great-grandparents.

    He sure loves and favors Israel. Hmm!

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. Dirty Rosenstein is Jew Deep State.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  211. @Them Guys

    Them Guys wrote mystically & asked: . That story of how what made St.Patrick famous was that he forced/kicked out the Snakes which infested Ireland…What I still wonder of is, do you think “Snakes” in that sense was really code word for “jews”?

    Hi Them Guys,

    Am not into reinterpreting old stories about lives of saints…, but, what the hell? As a 3rd gen immigrant-son of Poland and Hungary, here I goeth:

    Above, I think it might have been easier for principled Roman Catholic saints to kick-out snakes from particular European landscape, rather than to boot-out Jews who bite & introduce poisonous venom into a nation’s financial system, (usury & debt dependent) commerce undertakings.

    At any rate, I reckon it was during the late-1990′s, when Scranton-based annual “Sons of Saint Patrick” honchos controversially dared to invite popular Sinn Fein radical, Gerry Adams (?), as guest speaker. Very cool, eh?

    This ruffled Chamber of Commerce stiffs who ran a hokey campaign called “Scranton
    Tomorrow,” which by the mid-2000′s, resulted in the Electric City’s very close brush (crisis) with having to go bankrupt.

    Thanks, Them Guys.

    Selah, Bobby Sands and the Bank of London’s Royal Serpents.

  212. @AnonFromTN

    Russia and China are also controlled by jewish neocon zionist interests. Do you people not READ HISTORY? Clinton’s mentor Carroll Quigley would be a mandatory start. If those countries were truly opposed to the NATO agenda, the world, esp the middle east would NOT look like it does. Putin is just as owned by CHABAD as Drumpf is. It IS the 1% who are our enemies- of EVERY country. They are the us vs ‘them’. Occupy Movement had it right- which is why they were so quickly dismantled.

  213. There is NO military solution for Iran. Ever.

    It’s literally a fortress.

  214. @Quigley was right

    Agree.

    “Do you people not READ HISTORY?”

    Most People don’t or they read the “Useful Idiots” sold by MSM or Alt-Media.

    “If those countries were truly opposed to the NATO agenda, the world, esp the middle east would NOT look like it does. ”

    You don’t need to go very far. If Russia was an independent country, Nazis won’t be in Power in Ukraine today.

    “Occupy Movement had it right- which is why they were so quickly dismantled.”

    I’m not sure about that. Occupy was never a threat and I’m sure it was infiltrated. And lots of leaders of Occupy believe that the solution is that buffoon and “socialist” Bernie Sanders.

  215. geokat62 says:

    Here’s a tweet that others may find as interesting as I did:

    Here’s the most pertinent paragraph from the article it links to, Opinion: A Law That Tells the Truth About Israel:

    Now there will be a law that tells the truth. Israel is for Jews only, on the books. The nation-state of the Jewish people, not of its residents. Its Arabs are second-class citizens and its Palestinian subjects are hollow, nonexistent. Their fate is determined in Jerusalem, but they aren’t part of the state. It’s easier this way for everyone.

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/opinion-a-law-that-tells-the-truth-about-israel/

  216. @tac

    We have no choice but to leave Syria – not by desire or design, but with the recognition of reality. Whether Turkey leaves or not is a different question – and I am not sure that she will, but Trump will not risk the displeasure at the voting booth if our soldiers come home from Syria in body bags.

  217. @Art

    I think we have come to know that you don’t have to be jewish to be a zionist – whether you are Biden, Trump, or Cheney – if the shoe fits, wear it. Rather, if Israel’s ass presents itself, kiss it.

  218. @Quigley was right

    Russia may well be under Jewish/Israeli influence, but I question that for China. What is your evidence?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  219. peterAUS says:

    Probably the only practical way to stop the “intervention/engagement/whatever” is strong U.S. public (re)action to escalation.

    Say, the “engagement” starts in 3 days, and the U.S. public expresses its opposition by massive demonstrations.
    Massive.

    Now…..save some miracle I don’t see that happening.

    Trump supporters don’t do that.

    Trump opposition does, of course, but in this particular case I just don’t see that happening.
    “Progressives” have no problem with inflicting horrors on Third Worlders as long as it helps their primary agenda: gaining power.
    Besides, we saw how united American elites, including intellectual, were before striking Syria.

    That tells us something about US and West in particular, but, let’s pass that.
    Besides, it’s just Jews, naturally. All their fault. Just theirs. Never ours.
    Feels good.

    So, either way this is likely to happen:
    Mullahs fold. How much and what happens then I don’t know.
    If…if they thread softly and carefully, and if…big if….regimes in Moscow and Beijing support them, well, maybe we won’t see fireworks there.

    I’d say……30 % chance there.
    Fireworks……..70 %.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  220. Cloak and Dagger cornered “Quigley was right,” and inquired:
    “Russia may well be under Jewish/Israeli influence, but I question that for China. What is your evidence?”

    Hi C & D,

    As you know, international Jewish/Israeli movers & shakers prefer ongoing business negotiations with Chinese government remain (to a degree) strategically silent to America’s vast majority, “general population.”

    One example is the Goldman Sachs Group who are zealously eager to do investment in China, “untethered” to a Chinese partner.

    Doubtless, one can follow the daily Wall Street Journal, read-between-lines, and find evidence for “Jewish/Israeli influence” throughout the world!

    (Zigh) “Rocketman” Kim likely noticed that a mighty Western Trade Wind wants N. Korea to fly along with Jewish-Israeli kites,

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  221. Miro23 says:
    @geokat62

    CBC News has just broke this unbelievable story:

    … House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi demanded that Trump not only address the issue with Bibi, but seek an agreement in writing to prevent future meddling.
    “President Trump must demand and secure a real, concrete and comprehensive agreement that the Israelis will cease their ongoing attacks on our democracy,” Pelosi said. “Failure to stand up to Bibi would constitute a profound betrayal of the Constitution and our democracy.”

    Now there’s some useful Fake News. Repeat it enough and Pelosi will have to stand up to prove what a MIGA (Make Israel Great Again) she is.

    • Disagree: geokat62
    • Replies: @geokat62
  222. @Cloak And Dagger

    Hi Cloak and Dagger,

    It’s Saturday night live & perhaps you’re busy, but (below) I provide a Goldman Sachs (G.S.) report on “Jewish/Israeli influence” with the Chinese.

    Please note how heavily Lobby- controlled Governors Matt Bevin (Ky) and Scott Walker (Wi) attended G.S. program-sessions, and I suggest that’s evidence for exertion of U.S. Jewish/Israeli policy influence upon key Chinese government and business “Deciders.”

    http://www.goldmansachs.com/media-relations/press-releases/current/announcement-18-apr-2018.html

    Let me know what you think? “Book ‘em,” Dagger? Thank you.

    • Replies: @James Brown
  223. geokat62 says:
    @Miro23

    Meant to hit the LOL button, but my fat finger got in the way.

  224. Art says:

    Netanyahu scores major victory with Putin – NOT!

    NYT: Netanyahu Says Putin Agreed to Restrain Iran in Syria (but only tens of kilometers from Israel)

    yada yada yada

    But a commitment to keep Iranian forces tens of kilometers from Israel was a far cry from ejecting them completely from Syria, which Mr. Netanyahu has been lobbying Mr. Putin to do. And even that commitment was not confirmed by Russian officials.

    “We are aware of your concerns,” Mr. Putin told Mr. Netanyahu, the Kremlin said. Then the two leaders met privately.

    On Thursday, Mr. Putin met with a top Iranian foreign policy official, Ali Akbar Velayati, leading to much speculation in Israel and abroad, but neither country provided public details of that discussion.

    Israel has largely stayed out of Syria’s civil war but has carried on a shadow war in Syria with Iran, which has taken advantage of the chaos to build a military infrastructure in Syria.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/world/middleeast/syria-israel-putin-netanyahu.html

    What is Trump going to do on Monday with Putin?????

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

  225. geokat62 says:

    While on his UK tour, Trump made the following politically incorrect statements:

    “Allowing the immigration to take place in Europe is a shame. I think it changed the fabric of Europe and, unless you act very quickly, it’s never going to be what it was and I don’t mean that in a positive way.”

    “I just think it’s changing the culture. I think it’s a very negative thing for Europe. I think it’s very negative. And I know it’s politically not necessarily correct to say that. But I’ll say it and I’ll say it loud. And I think they better watch themselves because you are changing the culture.”

    Well, who do you think was the first to take him to task for making these hateful statements? It was none other than Richard Wolffe of The Guardian. Here is what Richard had to say about The Donald in his article, Let’s drop the euphemisms: Donald Trump is a racist president:

    This is the language and mentality of so many extreme-right and neo-Nazi parties in Europe. So in the Trump spirit of saying it loud, it’s time to drop the euphemisms: Trump is today’s first major government to be led by the racist far right. It’s not some kind of new populist politics; it’s the old National Front.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/13/donald-trump-immigration-racism-uk-visit

    Can anyone take a guess as to Richard’s background? Much to my surprise, Wikipedia slipped up again and revealed the following personal information:

    [Richard] Wolffe was born to an English father and a Moroccan mother in Birmingham, England. He is Jewish.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wolffe

    So rather than shining a light on the racist policies of Bibi, whose Jewish state just passed a law openly declaring that Israel is for Jews only (its Arabs are second-class citizens), (((Richard))) for some mysterious reason chooses instead to condemn The Donald for lamenting the dramatic changes taking place in Europe.

    I wonder why the likes of (((Bret, Emily, and Richard))) are so keen on perpetuating the myth that Diversity Is Our Strength for European and European-derived countries, but they fiercely defend the right of the Jewish state to remain exclusively Jewish? Could the explanation be that the “Our” in the ADL tagline “Diversity Is Our Strength” refers to the Jewish diaspora and not to The Dumb Goyim?

    • Replies: @Art
    , @James Brown
  226. Them Guys says:
    @peterAUS

    Don’t stop, keep trying and soon like McCain et al you too will Master the method of inserting head so deeply up jewish ass, that then, you too can qualify for a real run for election to US Senate.

    Just always remember the Two main components to get massive jewdeo Adelson campaign cash funding’s is, #1 Must be able to not only shove your head fully into jewish ass, but right up to your shoulders, and keep it inserted until NuttyYahoo summons you for some pro Israel or pro jew agenda vote in us senate…and…#2 Must be willing to make many trips to Bang head against Israel jew Wall, that is all what remains of an old Roman Fortress Protection outer Wall for keeping Roman soldiers and citizens safe from constant fanatical crazed jewish attackers and terrorists. But while banging head against that wall, you Must never, ever, admit you know it has zero to do with any jewdeo fables of that wall is all that remains of their 2nd temple, which they insist it being.

    Master these Two main skill’s, keep head firmly Up jewish ass, all the way Up, to the shoulders, and wallah! You too have a good chance at job of u.s. senator. Maybe also as usa prez if you have a pretty daughter and she will convert to Chabad Talmudic Judaism and marry a fanatical loon jewboy like Kushner…..See ya at the Polls eh.

  227. Art says:
    @geokat62

    Can anyone take a guess as to Richard’s background? Much to my surprise, Wikipedia slipped up again and revealed the following personal information:

    [Richard] Wolffe was born to an English father and a Moroccan mother in Birmingham, England. He is Jewish.

    geokat62,

    Assassinating someone’s character is the number one tool of the Jew. (They are also most proud of their physical assassinations.)

    If you want to go after someone with outrageous verbiage and lies – get a Jew. He has been practicing since he was five. It is a Jew cultural thing.

    Think Peace — Art

  228. @ChuckOrloski

    @ ChuckOrloski

    When “Quigley was right” says: “Russia and China are also controlled by jewish neocon zionist interests.”, that is a fact in what concerns Russia but it isn’t true about China.

    Your link doesn’t prove anything. Of course China is interested in doing business, in making money. That seems to be the only thing the Chinese elites are interested in…which is good.

    One can say that China is “also controlled by jewish neocon zionist interests.” because China’s philosophy, values , tradition seem to be compatible with “neocon zionist interests”.

    China is completely indifferent to what happens to other countries. Even when she is making money in those countries…See Libya, Syria, Venezuela.

    China will do nothing to impede “Zionist International Mafia”(ZIM) of destroying other countries.

    Why ? Because that doesn’t affect her national interest. And that applies even to Iran.

    If ZIM decides to destroy Iran, you can be sure that China won’t do anything to help Iran.

    We know that Russia won’t do anything because she is an important member of ZIM.

    China’s elite doesn’t see any thereat in having American bases in Iran.

    Maybe they are right. Maybe not. Maybe one day China will regret not having allies…

    But so far, Chinese elites believe that they don’t need anyone and they can do business with the devil.

    Being very intelligent people they can even manage to defeat the devil. Let’s hope.

  229. @geokat62

    “While on his UK tour, Trump made the following politically incorrect statements”

    By now, You should know that people should be judged by what they do and not by what they say.

    Only fools believe in what a clown, a narcissist and a liar like Trump says.

    Trump ,like Richard Wolffe of The Guardian., are all members of the Zionist International Mafia.

    All this charade is part of “divide to conquer”. Trump knows what his constituency wants to hear.

    Trump’s handlers don’t care about what he says but about what he DOES.

    “Allowing the immigration to take place in Europe is a shame. I think it changed the fabric of Europe and, unless you act very quickly, it’s never going to be what it was and I don’t mean that in a positive way”

    If Trump wasn’t lying when he said that, he wouldn’t be pursuing the destruction of Syria to satisfy his master neither would he be preparing to destroy Iran.

    You may know that one of consequences of destroying people’s countries is immigration

  230. Didactically, James Brown wrote:
    “Only fools believe in what a clown, a narcissist and a liar like Trump says. Trump, like Richard Wolffe of The Guardian., are all members of the Zionist International Mafia.”

    Hi James Brown,

    Above, having established a contradiction, & speaking respectfully, you might want to profitably return to the drawing board?

    Point # 1, Jewish Lobby organizations and billionaires carefully assess ZUS presidential aspirant’s desirable character defects, and promote narcissist & circus-actor liars accordingly.

    Point # 2, The “Zionist International Mafia” are multifold evil plotters, but in their role as US Executive branch “handlers,” they indeed “don’t care about what he says but about what he DOES.”

    Please tell me James Brown, when candidate Trump promised to plant the ZUS embassy in Jerusalem, do you think only “fools” believed him?

    Appears “fools” associated with Trump’s alleged voter base clung to a belief that, for one example, he’d rebuild America’s infrastructure.

    Note a familiar & classic “bait & switch”: President Bonespur instead upgraded the 17-year old unnecessary & immoral Afghanistan war and committed to a ZUS military “Space Command.” (Zigh)

    Look forward to a collegial response comment, thanks J.B.!

    Selah, “fools rush in” but only Jewish Lobbies can’t stop loving what their Congressional & presidential tools do.

    • Replies: @James Brown
  231. @ChuckOrloski

    Having done business in China for almost 15 years, I can tell you that Jewish finance has been trying to gain a foothold in China unsuccessfully for a while now. Oh sure, you can see offices of their agents in Shanghai, Beijing, and of course, Hong Kong – but they have no meaningful hold on China’s economy that is comparable to Jewish bankers in the US and Europe – this is why China is so hated by the deep state. Chinese banking does not demonstrate deference to Jewish central banks and the government strongly oversees all financial activity in the nation. With a few exceptions, all banks are state owned.

    Unlike here, the jews can’t mingle unnoticed within the Chinese populace, and Mandarin is a very difficult language to learn to speak – I know, I have been trying for a very long time and a 外国人 stands out like a sore thumb.

    Chuck, I am not denying the attempts by jewish forces to “influence” China, but thus far, they have made no inroads there, and are very unlikely to in the future. This is why China is being demonized to set the stage for a future war with those who refuse to kneel before ZOG.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus, L.K
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Art
  232. @Cloak And Dagger

    Hi Cloak And Dagger,

    As you can expect, your comments here at the U.R. reflect education, knowledge.

    Now that you shared doing 15-years of business in China and having tried learning Mandarin, naturally, I now pay closer attention.

    Fyi, back in 1985 while an undergrad at the Jesuit University of Scranton, I took an elective 3-credit course in an introduction to Chinese language, taught by Peace Corp veteran, Professor Ann Hill. Full disclosure,
    at course end, I got a “B” and could only mutter tonal “me, mow, moo,” etecetera.

    At any rate, & as you can expect, your Cloak And Dagger screen-name signals proceed with respectful caution.

    As you also know, I only suggested there is EVIDENCE for Zionist Jew (Goldman Sachs Group) penetration of the Chinese economy, which no matter how one cuts-the-territorial-beef, is globalized.

    You need no reminder how President Xi Xinping attended this past January’s Davos assembly? ZUS President Trump’s buddy Anthony Scaramucci attended Davis and informed all that Trump is “the globalists best last hope.”

    Uh — Does that calculate into proof that “Jewish forces” have made inroads” into China, Cloak And Dagger? Nope.

    But the impulse for “One World” global government simultaneously takes low, high & secret roads.

    No, no, no

  233. You need no reminder how President Xi Xinping[sic] attended this past January’s Davos assembly?

    What the MSM here neglects to inform us is that Xi Jinping is undoubtedly the most popular leader in China since Mao. He has made ending corruption his hallmark and a host of powerful government officials have been routed to the gallows since he took power. He cannot be bought like our politicians. The jews have nothing to offer him that he does not already possess. The Chinese know that their government is comprised of rich elites, and they accept that, because these rich elites all work towards the betterment of China, and even the common masses prosper. Contrast that with our rich elites and how their prosperity is gained on the backs of the remaining 99% and the treasonous plunder of our nation.

    Unlike we in the west, China is a creditor nation rather than a debt-laden one. By hook and by crook, it has become the factory of the world. Idle threats to sanction China are of little consequence to that country.

    China decided, and rightly so, to spread its influence globally, not by military might, but by the sane pursuit of international trade. Contrast that with our insane foreign policy. China has no “friends” nor “foes”, just trading partners. The end result of such relationships is always in the best interest of China. That should be the policy of every sovereign state. China is bereft of our entangling foreign alliances that have yet to demonstrate that they have resulted in our best interests in over a century. Even China’s “alliance” with Russia is in its own economic interests and a defense against a unipolar financial hegemony that can impose sanctions on a whim and hurt the well-being of its people, as we have done across the world. While we spill blood and treasure in our wars of choice across the globe, China has been reaping profits and progress by making deals with one and all. As an example, how much have we spent on wars in Africa and how have we profited? Contrast that with how China has been building mutually profitable relationships in Africa.

    We have allowed the jewish yoke to drop us to our knees. China has shunned jewish advances on their turf since the Opium Wars.

    P.S. Thanks for the kind words.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  234. Art says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Chuck, I am not denying the attempts by jewish forces to “influence” China, but thus far, they have made no inroads there, and are very unlikely to in the future. This is why China is being demonized to set the stage for a future war with those who refuse to kneel before ZOG.

    C&D,

    Kudos to China for keeping out the Jews. But that does not make them good guys.

    The Jews and the Chinese share many bad traits. They both love money, the both cut corners to make money, the both steal intellectual property, they both have a giant chip on their shoulders with respect to the rest of humanity, and both are hyper tribal.

    The Germans and the Japanese were also hyper tribal – they got there butts handed to them. I fear that the Jews and the Chinese do not have the good sense to avoid the same fate.

    Think Peace — Do No harm — Art

  235. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    Which group has no bad traits, Art?

  236. @Cloak And Dagger

    Having educationally given me objective reason to believe, Cloak and Dagger said: “China has shunned jewish advances on their turf since the Opium Wars.”

    Hi Cloak And Dagger,

    I try to have faith in continued Chinese resistance to the American-Israeli Empire’s reach for global hegemony.

    Fyi, am also trying to believe Vladimir Putin’s Russia will continue to exercise (at minimum) a percentage of defiance to internal & international ZUS Jew power.

    Nonetheless, given the murderous triumphs which evil men have enjoyed since history’s first recordings to date, I hesitate to go “all the way” and become convinced that the present globalists will soon fall.

    I am prejudiced, C&D! To prove such flawed human condition, linked (below) is a chapter from William Carr’s valuable & near extinct book, “Pawns in the game.”

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/07/12/essential-reading-pawns-in-the-game-by-william-guy-carr-part-5/

    Neither you nor I want to be a pawn in anybody’s game, eh? There’s a “built-in” part of a longing for awareness in Everyman, and we gotta’ activate that critical human function.

    Thanks Cloak And Dagger!

    • Replies: @geokat62
  237. anarchyst says:
    @Them Guys

    If a nuclear device is “lit off” in an American or European city, it will have Israel’s fingerprints all over it. Israel is desperate to keep the American money spigot running, as well as sabotaging the Palestinian “peace process” that the world wants it to take seriously.

    In fact, if a nuclear device is “lit off” anywhere in the world, it will have come from Israel’s secret nuclear “stockpile”.

    The “power outage” in Atlanta was a convenient excuse for Israel to perform a logistical “sleight of hand”, as an Israeli plane was allowed to land and take off during the “power outage” without receiving customs clearance or inspection. This is one of many Israeli companies that possesses a “special exemption” granted by the U S government that frees it from customs inspections. Just maybe another one of Israel’s nukes was just being pre-positioned or nuclear triggers (tritium) were being renewed, getting ready for “the big one”. As most Americans are tired of all of the foreign wars being fought for Israel’s benefit, another “incident” on American soil would be enough to galvanize the American public, once again, (just like WTC 9-11) to support another war for Israel’s benefit. Israel’s “samson option” is a real threat to “light one off” in a European or American city, if Israel’s interests are not taken seriously.

    Israel refuses to abide by IAEA guidelines concerning its nukes as they are already distributed around the world. Israel would not be able to produce all of them as most of them are not in Israel, proper. No delivery systems are needed as Israel’s nukes are already “in place”. Look for another “false flag” operation with the blame being put on Iran or Syria. You can bet that some Iranian or Syrian passports will be found in the rubble.

    Israel also threatens to detonate nuclear devices in several US cities. Talk about total INSANITY; the so-called “Samson Option” is it.

    As an aside, American “foreign aid” is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the “Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty” or refuses to abide by “International Atomic Energy Agency” (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid”. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its “American Israel Political Action Committee” (AIPAC) still gets “foreign aid” in contravention of American law..

    There are forty or so congressmen, senators and thousands of high-level policy “wonks” infecting the U S government who hold “dual citizenship” with Israel. Such dual citizenship must be strictly prohibited. Those holding dual citizenship must be required to renounce said foreign citizenship. Refusal to do so should result in immediate deportation with loss of American citizenship. Present and former holders of dual citizenship should never be allowed to serve in any American governmental capacity.

    When Netanyahu addressed both houses of congress, it was sickening to see our politicians slobber all over themselves to PROVE that they were unconditional supporters of Israel…just who the hell do they work for? Certainly not for the interests of the American people and the United States…they should renounce their United States citizenship and be deported to Israel…

    • Agree: Them Guys
  238. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    There’s a “built-in” part of a longing for awareness in Everyman, and we gotta’ activate that critical human function.

    Everyman? We’re that only true, Chuck. I’m afraid that this applies only to two of the three types of people in society, those whose souls are driven by principle and honour – ie, the intellectuals and military. The vast majority of the rest of the people fall into a category that some have labeled as bourgeois man. These people are driven by their appetites and their desires and so, unfortunately, have little interest in the political developments that occur around them. Alas, they are content with circuses and bread.

    (Un)fortunately, as history has shown, change has been brought about by the relatively few… and the many will follow.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @ChuckOrloski
  239. peterAUS says:
    @geokat62

    Slight edit:

    The vast majority of the people fall into a category that some have labeled as bourgeois man. These people are driven by their appetites and their desires and have little interest in the political developments that occur around them. They are content with their lives.
    As history has shown, change has been brought about by the relatively few… and the many will follow, if/when the circumstances are right/aligned.
    Circumstances.

  240. @geokat62

    geokat62 helped me return to (undergrad) philosophy of Aristotelian ethics by saying:
    “… as bourgeois man. These people are driven by their appetites and their desires and so, unfortunately, have little interest in the political developments that occur around them. Alas, they are content with circuses and bread.”

    Thanks, geo. I recall Professor John McGinley’s lecturing about human D.A.P.E. activities. Uh… it’s desires, appetites and gosh darn it, I forgot what the “E” stands for.

    Aside, I am quite certain Cloak And Dagger is not into “bread and circuses”

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  241. @ChuckOrloski

    Hi ChuckOrloski ,

    “Please tell me James Brown, when candidate Trump promised to plant the ZUS embassy in Jerusalem, do you think only “fools” believed him?”

    All the declarations by candidate Trump and war criminal -H. Clinton, that once in power they are going to serve their master should be taken seriously.

    When H. Clinton said if elected, she would “wipe Iran off the map”, I believed her. And I also believe(d) candidate Trump and the President Trump. He won’t “”wipe Iran off the map” but just kill 2 or 3 M and destroy the country…Like Iraq was destroyed.

    I don’t understand your doubts. This seems pretty obvious.

    I replied to the comments you made (see 227) and you have nothing to say about it ?

    That subject is more interesting than Trump’s willingness to serve those who put him in power.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  242. @James Brown

    James Brown needlessly lectured me on a fact known by millions of Americans, said: “All the declarations by candidate Trump and war criminal -H. Clinton, that once in power they are going to serve their master should be taken seriously.

    Hi James Brown,

    (zzZigh) A survey of empowered ZUSA presidents starting with LBJ to date have served “their master,” Zionist Jews.

    Re; above quote, respectfully speaking, J.B., why pick on me? W.T.F.?

    Selah…, from the Gospel, “no man can serve two (2) masters,” but selah, Christian (AIPAC-approved) presidential candidates are encouraged to pretend that they primarily serve Jesus Christ.

  243. Hi Brothers & Sisters,

    Below, with evidence, one can see how Israel is planning ethnic cleansing in Gaza!

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/07/16/568254/Israel-military-simulates-capture-Gaza-City

    Thank you.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  244. @Art

    But that does not make them good guys

    While we can argue ad infinitum about the definition of “good” or “bad”, I think we would probably agree on the definition of evil. Being tribal is not a “bad” thing necessarily, although what a tribe does can definitely be “evil”.

    I don’t see any parallels between the “evil” that Israel perpetrates and anything that China does – no, not even in Tibet. Ask yourself what you know about Tibet and who informed your knowledge thereof.

    Mao killed nearly 50 million Chinese people. That was evil with a capital ‘E’. Mao is dead.
    Stalin killed between 20 and 60 million people. That too, was evil with a capital ‘E’. Stalin is dead.

    China today and Russia today are very different from the days of those two evil people, and while it is facile to blame the people of those countries for going along with leaders, we here are complicit in the evil that our leaders have perpetrated in our name across the globe, and my neighbors son still signed up for military duty in Afghanistan.

    So, before condemning China or Russia, it behooves us to remember that there, but for the grace of god, go you.

    • Replies: @Art
  245. @ChuckOrloski

    Aside, I am quite certain Cloak And Dagger is not into “bread and circuses”

    Thanks for the vote of confidence, although I am partial to bread. Circuses – not so much.

    Jesting aside, I sense an awakening in the masses and a heightened awareness of world affairs among those that I had earlier written off as somnambulant. The Internet is the reason. More people are exposed to the reality of what is happening and who is doing it. These people are telling others and the phenomenon will exponentiate.

    Stay tuned. The show is not over yet.

  246. @ChuckOrloski

    The banality of Israel’s actions causes the world to become jaded. After a point, it is no longer news. I fear that even the total genocide of all the Palestinians will raise no more than an eyebrow in the west.
    This is how the human soul is destroyed.

  247. Miro23 says:
    @Art

    Kudos to China for keeping out the Jews. But that does not make them good guys.
    The Jews and the Chinese share many bad traits. They both love money, the both cut corners to make money, the both steal intellectual property, they both have a giant chip on their shoulders with respect to the rest of humanity, and both are hyper tribal.

    The Germans and the Japanese were also hyper tribal – they got their butts handed to them. I fear that the Jews and the Chinese do not have the good sense to avoid the same fate.

    A useful comment, and ethnic nationalism does have a dual character. On the one hand it prevents Jewish minority power + validates historic ethnic homeland arguments (good), but it also slides easily into ethnic superiority arguments (bad).

    Ethnic superiority ideas have a strong tendency to “Imperialize” – i.e. a “natural right” to your “ethnically inferior” neighbour’s property and territory. National Socialism was good for Germans but awful for Eastern Europe. Japanese nationalism rebuilt Japan but was a nightmare for their Chinese subject people, and Zionism unites Jews but leads directly to Greater Israel, Arab oppression (and the traitorous subversion of the USA).

    The risk is that Chinese nationalism becomes Imperial when they sense that they have enough power, with the high risk areas being S/E Asia and especially raw material rich Australia.

    Would the West risk WW3 to save Australia? Probably not. They would let it go in Czechoslovakia style and hope for the best.

  248. @Cloak And Dagger

    Cloak And Dagger opined: “This is how the human soul is destroyed.”

    Hi C&D,

    Appreciate how you borrowed & put to good use the Hannah Arendt phrase, “banality of evil.”

    Please consider looking at Ron Unz’s latest great-article (below) which I for one believe removed the cloak of banality from off evil’s jadedness?

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion/

    Thank you.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  249. @ChuckOrloski

    “banality of evil.”

    Very astute of you to notice – much impressed! :-)

    Yes, I had already read Ron’s magnum opus earlier in the day and had posted my appreciation in the comments section. Most of the facts he presents are not unfamiliar, but weaving it all together in such a short article is nothing short of a masterpiece.

  250. Art says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    So, before condemning China or Russia, it behooves us to remember that there, but for the grace of god, go you.

    C&D,

    The US government have already crossed the line with its pseudo-righteous Jew inspired and coerced ME wars (the direction of our government is more Jew then Western Gentile). We are already on the wrong side of history.

    The Chinese people are very nationalistic, ethnocentric, and righteous (tribal). They now have a life-time leader. (A market Mao.) The combination of the two is very dangerous for humanity. It is foolish to ignore their capacity for wrong doing.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. The Russians are not crazy. They are worthy adversaries.

  251. @redmudhooch

    You day is coming.

    You keep talking and Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, Iranians and Yemenites keep dying. I’d take our track rate over yours.

    The truth is that you are the one who needs to enjoy your pets while they last. They will not be spared and you will witness their extermination.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  252. @Cloak And Dagger

    After a point, it is no longer news. I fear that even the total genocide of all the Palestinians will raise no more than an eyebrow in the west.

    Exactly! Finally, one of you retards gets it.

    The Palestinians will eventually be genocided completely and no one will lift a finger to save them. Simply nobody cares about the Palestinians and nothing you ever say or do will change that.

    And then we move on to Lebanon. Then Syria. Then Turkey. Then Iran. Then Yemen. Finally, we will then annihilate the Copts in Egypt.

    All the peoples that you love will be killed and there is nothing that you can do about it.

  253. And then we move on to Lebanon. Then Syria. Then Turkey. Then Iran. Then Yemen. Finally, we will then annihilate the Copts in Egypt.

    Well, as a fully paid-up member of the retard club, happy hunting! In fact, why even spend time on this forum so full of retards when you could be strapping on a rifle and extending your rampage on the world?

  254. MacNucc11 says:
    @Greasy William

    who is this “we” you are talking about?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  255. peterAUS says:
    @Greasy William

    That’s an interesting option.
    Purely speculative, of course….

    I guess worth thinking about a bit. Just a bit.

    Say….you guys do that there.
    At the same time you guys help us, somewhere else, to do the same to somebody else.

    The same game…..just different players/locations.

    Or…you start first, introduce the game, its rules ete. Using Jewish power in media and politics could work….for that game. Could.
    So, after the game gets underway, by you, at those places you mentioned then, and only then, we start doing the same …in some other places to somebody else.

    Looks as we could have a deal.
    Even work together.

    I could, even, imagine that we could agree that the first to be…ahm….”addressed” would be Jewish “progs” in USA proper.

    Anyway….

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  256. Talha says:
    @Greasy William

    Yup, you probably have free reign until the Mahdi arrives, then we turn that franchise around…like a champ!

    Until then, a defensive holding pattern will be sufficient.

    Nothing personal Greasy, that’s just the way it goes; you do your thing, we do ours.

    Peace.

  257. geokat62 says:
    @Greasy William

    All the peoples that you love will be killed and there is nothing that you can do about it.

    Hey, Greasy. Did you run any of this by Sam Shama? I ask because he’s assured us Dumb Goyim that deep down Zionists are really well intentioned.

  258. MacNucc11 says:
    @Greasy William

    Iranians and Lebanese are dying? From what old age?

  259. @peterAUS

    I don’t wish to derail, but you do bring up an interesting question: what should be done with secular, American Ashkenazim?

    What should be done with secular and “traditional” Israelis is an easy one: extermination. We can’t make progress as a people with them holding us back. Plus there needs to be revenge for Gush Katif and Amona.

    But with American Jews it’s tougher. On one hand, they are scum, but on the other hand, they aren’t really hurting the Jewish people (just the American people).

    American Sephardim and religious American Jews will all have to eventually relocate to Eretz Yisroel, but needless to say we can’t bring the secular Ashkenazim with us. Should they be exterminated like the secular Israelis then?

    I say no. Thankfully, they are exterminating themselves already through intermarriage and failure to reproduce.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  260. geokat62 says:
    @Greasy William

    But with American Jews it’s tougher. On one hand, they are scum, but on the other hand, they aren’t really hurting the Jewish people (just the American people).

    But, Greasy, these people have gone to great lengths to enhance the security of the Jewish state, by getting the dumb Golem to systematically destroy each of its enemies and, as you note, will ensure that its remaining enemies face the same fate. Have you no appreciation for the Herculean efforts expended by The Lobby? Why are you so ungrateful? Do you really believe the Jewish state can defeat its remaining enemies without the aid of The Lobby? Please explain.

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