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The Babylonian Marriage Market, by Edwin Long (1829-1891)  Credit: Wikimedia Commons.  There are too many young men on the mate market, particularly in the White American community.
The Babylonian Marriage Market, by Edwin Long (1829-1891) Credit: Wikimedia Commons. There are too many young men on the mate market, particularly in the White American community.
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It sucks being young, male, and single. Don’t think so? Go to the Interactive Singles Map of the United States and see how it looks for the 20 to 39 age group. Almost everywhere single men outnumber single women.

And the real picture is worse. For one thing, the imbalance is greater among singles without children. This is not a trivial factor, since single mothers are “single” only in the sense of being available for sexual relations. They are still raising offspring from a previous relationship and many are not interested in having more children.

Then there’s polygamy—or “polyamory,” to use the preferred term—where a minority of men controls sexual access to a larger number of women. If we compare the 1940-1949 and 1970-1979 cohorts of American adults, we find an increase in the number of median lifetime partners from 2.6 to 5.3 among women and from 6.7 to 8.8 among men (Liu et al., 2015). Because this figure is more variable for men than for women, young women are more likely to be sexually active than young men. This is crudely seen in infection rates for chlamydia—the most common sexually transmitted disease. Hispanic Americans still show the traditional pattern of greater sexual activity among men than among women, the rates being 7.24% of men and 4.42% of women. White Americans display the reverse: 1.38% of men and 2.52% of women (Miller et al., 2004).

Finally, there’s a racial angle. This sex ratio is more skewed among White Americans than among African Americans, mainly because the latter have a lower sex ratio at birth and a higher death rate among young men.

It’s hard to avoid concluding that a lot of young white men are shut out of the marriage market … or any kind of heterosexual relationship. This wife shortage was once thought to be temporary, being due to baby-boomer men getting divorced and marrying younger women from the smaller “baby bust” cohort. With time, they would get too old to compete with young men, and the problem should resolve itself.

Today, the crest of the baby boom is entering the seventh decade of life, yet the update to the Interactive Singles Map shows no change to the gender imbalance. So what gives? It appears that demographers have focused too much on the baby-boomer effect and not enough on other factors that matter just as much and, more importantly, show no signs of going away. These factors can be summarized as follows.

Re-entry of older men into the mate market

We have a mate market where 20 to 50 year old men are competing for 20 to 40 year old women. That in itself is nothing new. But something else is.

The baby boom eclipsed an equally important but longer-term trend: more and more men are living past the age of 40. With or without the baby boom, we’ll still see large numbers of older men getting divorced and marrying younger women. The cause isn’t just liberal divorce laws. It’s also the fact we have far more older guys out there as a proportion of the population.

Sure, we will also see younger men pairing up with “cougars” but there are limits to that option, as noted in a New Zealand study:

The male partner may want to partner up with someone younger or have children, which may not be possible with an older woman (for physical reasons or because she chooses not to have (more) children). The younger male partner may not want to become a step-father to existing children. Research has shown that childbearing can be the ultimate deal breaker in this kind of relationship. (Lawton and Callister, 2010)

Persistence of the imbalanced sex ratio at birth

About 105 males are born for every 100 females among people of European origin. This sex ratio used to decline to parity during childhood because of higher infantile mortality among boys. It then declined even farther in early adulthood because of war, industrial accidents, and other hazards. This isn’t the distant past. If you talk with women who came of age in the postwar era, they will tell you about their fears of remaining single past the age of thirty. At that age, very few single men were left to go around.

Well, things have changed. The skewed sex ratio at birth is now persisting well into adulthood, thanks to modern medicine and the relative peace that has prevailed since 1945. Women begin to outnumber men only in the 35-39 age group in the United States and in the 40-44 age group in the United Kingdom.

Equalization of male and female same-sex preference

Historically, same-sex preference was more common among men than among women. This gender gap appears to be closing, according to a recent study:

The percent distributions were quite similar for men and women; however, a higher percentage of men identified as gay (1.8%) compared with women who identified as gay/lesbian (1.4%), and a higher percentage of women identified as bisexual (0.9%) compared with men (0.4%). (CDCP, 2014, p. 5)

Disparities in outmarriage

At present, there are more White American women outmarrying than White American men, particularly in younger age groups. This disparity is mainly in marriages with African American men, there being no gender difference in marriages with Hispanic Americans and the reverse gender difference in marriages with Asian Americans (Jacobs and Labov, 2002; Passel et al., 2010). Overall, this factor further skews the ratio of young single men to young single women in the White American community.

This disparity isn’t new. What is new is its extent, for both legal and common-law marriages. An idea may be gleaned from statistics on children born to White American women, specifically the proportion fathered by a non-White partner. For the U.S. as a whole the proportion in 2013 was between 11% and 20% (the uncertainty is due to 190,000 births for which the father’s race was not stated). By comparison, the proportion in 1990 was between 5% and 13% (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2013; see also Silviosilver, 2015).

ORDER IT NOW

Whenever this issue comes up for discussion, there are often reassurances that the disparity will disappear in a post-racial world that has been cleansed of “White privilege.” I’m not so sure. The European female phenotype seems to be very popular, and this was so even when white folks were geopolitical weaklings. Today, the term “white slavery” is merely a synonym for prostitution, but it originally meant the enslavement of fair-skinned women for sale to clients in North Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia. At the height of this trade, between 1500 and 1650, over 10,000 Eastern Europeans were enslaved each year for export (Kolodziejczyk, 2006; Skirda, 2010). The overwhelming majority were young women and pre-pubertal boys who were valued for their physical appearance. And yet they were powerless.

No, I don’t think this kind of preference will disappear as whites lose “privilege.”

Exit strategies

So more and more young men are being left on the shelf, particularly in White America. How do they cope? Mostly by turning to porn from Internet websites, videocassettes, or magazines. Love dolls are another option and may grow in popularity as they become more human-like, not only physically but also in their ability to talk and interact.

Another option is outmarriage. In the past, this trend largely concerned older men marrying East Asian or Hispanic women, but we’re now seeing plenty of young men outmarrying via Internet dating sites. Despite the local supply of single women in the African American community, there is a much stronger tendency to look abroad, generally to women in Eastern Europe, South America, or East Asia.

Then there’s gender reassignment, which means either entering the other side of the mate market or tapping into the lesbian market. It’s a viable strategy, all the more so because many white boys can be turned into hot trans women. I’m not saying that some young men actually think along those lines, but gender reassignment is functioning that way.

Finally, there’s “game.” My attitude toward game is like my attitude toward gender reassignment. Both are attempts to push the envelope of phenotypic plasticity beyond its usual limits, and neither can fully achieve the desired result. A lot of boys aren’t wired for game, and there are good reasons why, just as there are good reasons why some people are born male. Male shyness isn’t a pathology. It’s an adaptation to a social environment that values monogamy and high paternal investment while stigmatizing sexual adventurism. Our war on male shyness reflects our perverse desire to create a society of Don Juans and single mothers.

But if game works, why not? Whatever floats your boat.

Conclusion

Ideally, this gender imbalance should be dealt with at the societal level, but I see little chance of that happening in the near future. If anything, public policy decisions will probably worsen the current imbalance. Changes to public policy generally result from a long process that begins when people speak up and articulate their concerns, yet it’s unlikely that even this first step will be taken any time soon. Young single men prefer to remain silent and invent nonexistent girlfriends. They also tend to be marginal in the main areas of discourse creation, like print and online journalism, TV, film, and radio production, book writing, etc. Leaf through any magazine, and you’ll probably see more stuff about the problems of single women.

So this imbalance will likely continue to be addressed at the individual level through individual strategies.

References

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (2014). Sexual Orientation in the 2013 National Health Interview Survey: A Quality Assessment, Vital and Health Statistics, 2(169), December
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_02/sr02_169.pdf

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (2013). Vital Statistics Online
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data_access/Vitalstatsonline.htm (for discussion, see Silviosilver, 2015 http://www.unz.com/pfrost/the-last-push-back-against-liberalism/#comment-896920)

Jacobs, J.A. and T.B. Labov. (2002). Gender differentials in intermarriage among sixteen race and ethnic groups, Sociological Forum, 17, 621-646.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1021029507937

Kolodziejczyk, D. (2006). Slave hunting and slave redemption as a business enterprise: The northern Black Sea region in the sixteenth to seventeenth centuries, Oriente Moderno, 86, 1, The Ottomans and Trade, pp. 149-159.
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/25818051?sid=21105312761261&uid=3737720&uid=3739448&uid=2&uid=4

Lawton, Z. and P. Callister. (2010). Older Women-Younger Men Relationships: the Social Phenomenon of ‘Cougars’. A Research Note, Institute of Policy Studies Working Paper 10/02
http://ips.ac.nz/publications/files/be0acfcb7d0.pdf

Liu, G., S. Hariri, H. Bradley, S.L. Gottlieb, J.S. Leichliter, and L.E. Markowitz. (2015). Trends and patterns of sexual behaviors among adolescents and adults aged 14 to 59 years, United States,Sexually Transmitted Diseases, 42, 20-26.
http://journals.lww.com/stdjournal/Abstract/2015/01000/Trends_and_Patterns_of_Sexual_Behaviors_Among.6.aspx

Miller, W.C., C.A. Ford, M. Morris, M.S. Handcock, J.L. Schmitz, M.M. Hobbs, M.S. Cohen, K.M. Harris, and J.R. Udry. (2004). Prevalence of chlamydial and gonococcal infections among young adults in the United States, JAMA, 291, 2229-2236.
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=198722

Passel, J.S., W. Wang, and P. Taylor. (2010). One-in-seven new U.S. marriages is interracial or interethnic, Pew Research Center, Social & Demographic Trends,
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2010/06/04/ii-overview-2/

Skirda, A. (2010). La traite des Slaves. L’esclavage des Blancs du VIIIe au XVIIIe siècle, Paris, Les Éditions de Paris Max Chaleil.

Soma, J. (2013). Interactive Singles Map
http://jonathansoma.com/singles/

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  1. […] only if the polygamy rate gets too high, which it’s unlikely to in the West. Society can – contra Peter Frost – easily tolerate low levels of polygamy, since indeed, it essentially already does. Though it […]

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  2. Historically, same-sex preference was more common among men than among women.

    Well, they identify as such more now. But what were they actually doing in the past? Today, a considerably larger margin of women admit to being somewhat same-sex attracted than do men:

    Female Same-Sex Attraction Revisited | JayMan’s Blog

    At present, there are more White American women outmarrying than White American men, particularly in younger age groups. This disparity is mainly in marriages with African American men …

    This disparity isn’t new. What is new is its extent, for both legal and common-law marriages. An idea may be gleaned from statistics on children born to White American women, specifically the proportion fathered by a non-White partner. For the U.S. as a whole the proportion in 2013 was between 11% and 20%

    And here I go contributing to that statistic. :) Typically however, it’s the lower quality (and presumably lower-IQ) White women who marry out. Since fertility trends are such that the highest IQ White men are reproducing most, creating an overall neutral to eugenic fertility trend for IQ…

    Idiocracy Can Wait? | JayMan’s Blog

    …maybe it’s not a bad thing if men at the bottom are locked out of the mate market.

    So more and more young men are being left on the shelf, particularly in White America. How do they cope? Mostly by turning to porn from Internet websites, videocassettes, or magazines. Love dolls are another option and may grow in popularity as they become more human-like, not only physically but also in their ability to talk and interact.

    I am curious about the fate of these locked-out men.

    For the record, during the past century, 10-25% of the men to failed to reproduce. Assuming these are the most genetic load-heavy men (a safe-ish assumption), this is probably a good thing for the health of the population.

    Then there’s gender reassignment, which means either entering the other side of the mate market or tapping into the lesbian market. It’s a viable strategy, all the more so because many white boys can be turned into hot trans women.

    ~1 in 10,000 I believe, right? :)

    My attitude toward game is like my attitude toward gender reassignment. Both are attempts to push the envelope of phenotypic plasticity beyond its usual limits, and neither can fully achieve the desired result.

    Right on!

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    • Replies: @JSM
    …maybe it’s not a bad thing if men at the bottom are locked out of the mate market.

    If things are bad now, pity the young White boys in thirty years. He's smart enough because his dad is smart, but there are even fewer young White, smart women available to him, because the few smart women that exist don't marry until they're too old to reproduce.

    In addition, the somewhat-lower IQ White gal that that smart young, lonely, guy in the old days could have settled for will have become much rarer, as the low-IQ mothers of those nonexistent girls have disgenically outbred with even lower-IQ non-White men. So what the smart-enough young White guy has to choose from is mixed-race girls who are dumber even than the dumb blondes of the old days.


    Had those mothers, instead of consorting with Blacks, married low-average White men, reversion-to-the-mean of the population group would have given us a supply of 100-IQ White women for those smart-enough men.

    YIKES. From the Space Age to Idiocracy in 100 years.
    , @Father O'Hara
    The author posits a frighteningly high birth rate of babies to white women sired by non white men.What do you think of this--any numbers IYHFO?
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  3. I like the analogy between Game and gender re-assignment. The folks employing both desperately want to believe that they can turn themselves into something they’re not. I say this as someone who has followed Game closely for years, longer than I’ve been aware of HBD. Game will at best create superficial changes in a person’s sexual interactions; an illusion, if you will. Much in the way gender re-assignment may mean a change in a man’s body parts and hormone levels, but not the things that more fundamentally make one male or female, like brain organization and XX vs. XY chromosomes.

    There’s a reason why I tell all my friends that Houellebecq is the most prescient fiction writer alive today. The sexual market is just as brutal as the economic market, even if failure on the sexual market doesn’t mean you’re a homeless bum on the streets. Expect important social changes by 2020 if the sexual dynamics don’t change significantly in the US (I expect at least the legalization of prostitution).

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    • Replies: @whorefinder
    The comparison of game to transgenderism is thoroughly wrong.

    Game is teaching men how to behave in a certain way with the ultimate goal of getting laid. If men don't get laid using the technique, they stop doing it. Game is thus a means to an end. No man using game claims that he is "really" an alpha-ladies man type inside; he is merely learning behaviors to get him laid.

    Transgenderism, in contrast, is the idea that these dudes are really women on the inside, but outer biology and evil social norms have prevented their flowering. There is no "method" to be learned in transgenderism; the outer world is supposed to "accept" the new sex of the tranny and it will free the tranny.

    Men using Game are akin to men learning how to play the guitar or how to fix a car
    : a skill learned for a benefit. Transgenderism is akin to demanding people call you "Lord Rathbone" because you made up an English title for your self.
  4. While I’m all for people procreating within their racial groups, if you’re a white male of even moderate stature and attractiveness there is no shortage of attractive, available asian females.

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  5. >>My attitude toward game is like my attitude toward gender reassignment. Both are attempts to push the envelope of phenotypic plasticity beyond its usual limits,<<

    I think a certain amount of Game theory (the Roissy stuff) can be useful in helping young men not to pedestalise young women into unknowable goddesses. It's particularly useful for naturally shy, provider types, the denigrated 'betas', to help them 'act up' a bit and roleplay more towards the confident type that women actually want. This only works if they combine this with human empathy towards the girls and seek mutual benefit rather than exploitation, though – just as a practical matter, you have to be a good actor to be an effective cad. But helping decent guys overcome excessive reticence, and put on enough of a Game face to allow a girl to pretend to herself that he's a bit of a bad boy… well that's a good thing.

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    • Replies: @George
    There is a cost to trying to be a bad boy that few mention, because I think most guys who talk about it, maybe all, don't actually apply it in the real world, or do it terribly.

    There was a period in my life when I was a genuine bad boy, and what happens is you are constantly being challenged by other men, in serious or subtle ways, but you gave to expend huge amounts of energy in conflict, sometimes petty, sometimes serious, with other men.

    Merely talking to a pretty girl in a cocky and arrogant way can elicit a challenge from another male in the vicinity who is offended by your airs.

    If you don't wish to spend your life fighting, either socially or even physically, dont be a bad boy.

    To think that an educated white collar person like roissy can handle the psychological pressure of that, or would even want to, is laughable.

    It was exhausting for me, and I was thrust into that situation by circumstances. Literally for anyone who had other options, there are much better ways of living.

    As a reformed bad boy, I can safely say that it is not essential to atracting women. There is a subset of women that love these guys, but they are far from the majority.

    Confidence and a sociable personality works fine. The bad boy stuff is an over reach that reflects more on the insecurities of guys who don't know what the lifestyle is like than on what most women actually like.

    Suburban white kids who over compensate for too much safety by glamorizing thug life is a staple of modern society. If they lived that life, they would find it neither heroic nor a world of strong, confident men. Its a world of men whose low status makes them hypervigilant and overreactive to threats to status, since they have to defend what little they have. It is not a world of strong men.
    , @backup
    "This only works if they combine this with human empathy towards the girls and seek mutual benefit rather than exploitation, though"

    As a father of daughters I wholeheartedly agree
  6. “An idea may be gleaned from statistics on children born to White American women, specifically the proportion fathered by a non-White partner. For the U.S. as a whole the proportion in 2013 was between 11% and 20% (the uncertainty is due to 190,000 births for which the father’s race was not stated). By comparison, the proportion in 1990 was between 5% and 13% (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2013; see also Silviosilver, 2015).”

    I question those numbers. They seem far too high.

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    • Replies: @Jake
    I agree 11%-20% seems very high. Then again, I don't live in America.
  7. I may be wrong but I think this imbalance is mainly a result of women having equal rights with men (not a bad thing) and becoming economically self-sufficient. I think with the resources and higher SES they have now they go for the highest SES guys and prefer to stay single rather than marrying down / marrying an average guy, especially the women with highest SES. I guess situation is similar in entire West and in a lot of other places. Some research says there is dysgenic fertility in US (as a result of this) while Jayman says it’s ok.

    Obviously if there is dysgenic fertility because of this new social arrangement West will fall just like Middle East with the avg iq going down but since genetic engineering and AI revolution is coming fast things will probably be alright. (of course low SES men will have to suffer for some time)

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The genetic architecture of intelligence has been difficult to unravel and likely involves thousands of genetic loci of mostly small effect. Genetic engineering that can work reliably at that many loci without producing unwanted mutations is not so close at hand but may reach us eventually. But AI might reduce the demand. If even enhanced people wouldn't be intelligent enough to compete with the machines, what's the point of the enhancement?
    , @Fredrik
    Aren't they supposed to marry down just like men do?
  8. “than among African Americans, mainly because the latter have a lower sex ratio at birth ”

    Am I understanding this correctly, the sex ratio at birth (!) is different for American blacks than for whites? I knew that more boys than girls are born but it’s totally news to me that this varies between different population groups…what’s the reason for this?

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    • Replies: @Bryan Bell
    It various between more than just blacks & whites. East asians naturally have a higher sex ratio at birth than whites.

    The obvious reason is evolution. Most speculate africa's low sex ratio is due to polygyny.
  9. Professor Frost,

    I enjoyed reading your article, but I’d like to further discuss the data you’ve included in the article.

    If we compare the 1940-1949 and 1970-1979 cohorts of American adults, we find an increase in the number of median lifetime partners from 2.6 to 5.3 among women and from 6.7 to 8.8 among men (Liu et al., 2015).

    The median number of opposite-sex partners fell for both men and women, from 2002 to 2007. The median number of opposite-sex partners for the 1970-1979 female cohort is slightly under 4. For the similar-age male cohort, median partner count was approximately ~6.

    See this link (page 19 and page 20): http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf
    The above study has a sample size (N) over 120,000 and was conducted back in 2007 by the CDC. So it’s a fairly good study.

    The percentage of men and women with 5+ sexual partners (in the past year) fell, from 2002 to 2006-2010. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/n.htm

    I’d recommend perusing this online book too. It has many useful and pertinent statistics.
    Sorry for the long link, but you can just copy/paste it into your browser.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=QIRi8ZcI2BYC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=%22england%22+%22median%22+%22sexual+partners%22+health+survey+for+england&source=bl&ots=lpwAQpgJbv&sig=ITk4FSvXHHkVeycw60TxesSoyKE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LhiPVc_ZC8TToASz8YuQCg&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=chandra%2C%20mosher&f=false

    This is crudely seen in infection rates for chlamydia—the most common sexually transmitted disease. Hispanic Americans still show the traditional pattern of greater sexual activity among men than among women, the rates being 7.24% of men and 4.42% of women. White Americans display the reverse: 1.38% of men and 2.52% of women (Miller et al., 2004).

    The chlamydia rate for Hispanic-American men is actually lower than the rate for Hispanic-American Women. This pattern is actually visible in all races.

    http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats12/tables/11b.htm

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  10. Here is some interesting data taken from England. It comes from the National Chlamydia Screening Program, which is a STI-screening program coordinated by the NHS. The sample size is over 400,000. The participants are in the 15-24 age range.

    http://i60.tinypic.com/256zj2w.jpg

    Of all the ethnic groups, “Asian Subcontinent” (ie South Asians from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh) men have the lowest chlamydia positivity rate. Interestingly, South Asian women have a significantly higher positivity rate than the men. The gap between South Asian men and South Asian women is larger than the gender gap for whites. This seems to indicate that a fraction of English South Asian women are pursuing a hypergamous mating strategy, while South Asian men are being squeezed out of the mating market.

    Data taken from the OKCupid dating site found that Indian men have the lowest response rate from women, while White men have the highest response rate from women. Even Indian women give same-race men a low response rate, while giving white men a high response rate. So there seems to a pattern of Indian/South-Asian men being squeezed out of the mating market, while Indian women pursue a hypergamous mating strategy.

    http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/race_affects/Reply-By-Race-Male.png

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    With tons of black African men with big penises and strong muscles invading Europe and with EU’s incessant race-mixing propaganda that fetishize black men as super-studs, things may get much worse for Western and Central European men.

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    • Replies: @CCR
    "With tons of black African men with big penises and strong muscles invading Europe and with EU’s incessant race-mixing propaganda that fetishize black men as super-studs, things may get much worse for Western and Central European men."

    Won't they just gradually disappear (along with pure white women), to be replaced with mixed-race people?
    , @IA
    Depends on if they continue to subsidize bastardy.
    , @jack shindo
    Very unscientific for a high IQ fellow (just a guess) but you fail to understand female psyche! Sex selection since millenia has never changed. What has changed is perception on how it happened in the first place. That is the meaning of choice, if there was ever one.
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    “So more and more young men are being left on the shelf, particularly in White America. How do they cope? Mostly by turning to porn from Internet websites, videocassettes, or magazines. Love dolls are another option and may grow in popularity as they become more human-like, not only physically but also in their ability to talk and interact.”

    Doesn’t porn push interracial black-on-white humping? It is sure to demoralize white men more and make white women even more eager for black men.
    I think Love Dolls is more a Japanese thing than anything else, but then, Japanese are crazy about artifice. They are just silly in that way.

    “Another option is outmarriage. In the past, this trend largely concerned older men marrying East Asian or Hispanic women, but we’re now seeing plenty of young men outmarrying via Internet dating sites.”

    Really? I almost never hear of this.

    “Then there’s gender reassignment, which means either entering the other side of the mate market or tapping into the lesbian market. It’s a viable strategy, all the more so because many white boys can be turned into hot trans women.”

    Statistically insignificant despite Bruce Caitlyn Jenner whatever.

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    “It’s hard to avoid concluding that a lot of young white men are shut out of the marriage market.”

    I think the main solution for white men is the Culture of Reality, the Culture of Maturity, and the Culture of Life.

    I think too much pop culture, video game, and etc. have made too many young males have a weak sense of reality. They need to get real again. This is a problem in Europe and Japan as well as in US.
    Lack of sense of reality leads to culture of immaturity. So, too many men dress and act like boys. I see middle aged men who still dress and act like teenagers.
    And then, there’s the culture of life that favors human relationships over all the distractions on TV, movies, videogames, internet, and etc.

    Another thing. People need cultural organizations and social groups. Churches are among the best match-making sites because people come together for God and worship, get to know one another, fall in love, and get married.

    It is better for men and women to meet socially and then fall in love romantically. Looking for SEX outright is the wrong approach. It’s better to get together for shared interests and convictions. Like the Amish though they take it too far. And Mormons too.

    So, whites need to create cultural organizations that attract men and women. And through such organizations, they can meet and maybe mate.

    Focus on social relations that may lead to sexual relations.

    Too much focus in on ‘getting it on’. Too direct, too blunt, and too crude.

    Seek cultural solutions to sexual challenges.

    The current culture is destructive of male sensibility and behavior. Boys who fail to face up to reality and mature properly are not men.

    Stupidity, childishness, and tattoos reign.

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    • Replies: @rod1963
    Wise observation.

    Yes, young men need to stop buying into modern culture(calling it that is a stretch, it's really just a nasty mix created by Madison Avenue and Hollywood) because it's empty and results in atomized people that are mal-adjusted who belong to nothing(historian Carroll Quigley noticed this happening back in the 1970's). This guarantees a lot of men won't find mates or meaningful relationships because they lack the socialization and interpersonal skills for it. To put it bluntly they're feral.

    "The current culture is destructive of male sensibility and behavior. Boys who fail to face up to reality and mature properly are not men. "

    Very true.
  14. While I’m all for people procreating within their racial groups, if you’re a white male of even moderate stature and attractiveness there is no shortage of attractive, available asian females.

    Are you, or aren’t you?

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    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    Truth, why you be so unsatisfied with the sistaz? Why you not wanna be with someone who look like yo mama?
    , @iffen
    Don't make me go get Twink.

    White people don't equate Asians and Negroes.

    That is the way it is, get over it.
  15. Priss Factor [AKA "Priss Factory"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Are men turning to porn because they can’t find women or are they giving up on finding women cuz they turned to porn?

    Chicken or the egg?

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    • Replies: @Days of Broken Arrows
    This is actually a really good question and one that should be studied.

    Most men tend to take the path of least resistance. When I was in 17, porn was not easy to get. The local Wawa market was pretty stringent about not selling skin mags to minors. But even if I'd gotten one, I'd have been shamed to high heaven (not to mention punished) had my folks found it. Not worth the trouble. And cable TV, with its "late night adult films," might have been in some homes, but it wasn't in ours.

    I heard about all this naked stuff, but didn't get to see much of it. The only way I could was to actually date girls and, eventually, get their clothes off. So that's what I did.

    But I wonder if I'd have dated so enthusiastically if I'd come of age today when porn is a few mouse clicks away? From what I'm hearing, boys much younger than 17 are already seeing x-rated things I didn't even know about till much later -- and covering their tracks better than anyone from my era could have.

  16. Priss Factor [AKA "Priss Factory"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Truth

    While I’m all for people procreating within their racial groups, if you’re a white male of even moderate stature and attractiveness there is no shortage of attractive, available asian females.
     
    Are you, or aren't you?

    Truth, why you be so unsatisfied with the sistaz? Why you not wanna be with someone who look like yo mama?

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  17. @Priss Factor
    Are men turning to porn because they can't find women or are they giving up on finding women cuz they turned to porn?

    Chicken or the egg?

    This is actually a really good question and one that should be studied.

    Most men tend to take the path of least resistance. When I was in 17, porn was not easy to get. The local Wawa market was pretty stringent about not selling skin mags to minors. But even if I’d gotten one, I’d have been shamed to high heaven (not to mention punished) had my folks found it. Not worth the trouble. And cable TV, with its “late night adult films,” might have been in some homes, but it wasn’t in ours.

    I heard about all this naked stuff, but didn’t get to see much of it. The only way I could was to actually date girls and, eventually, get their clothes off. So that’s what I did.

    But I wonder if I’d have dated so enthusiastically if I’d come of age today when porn is a few mouse clicks away? From what I’m hearing, boys much younger than 17 are already seeing x-rated things I didn’t even know about till much later — and covering their tracks better than anyone from my era could have.

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    This article starts out claiming that being young, male, and single sucks… then went on to merely assume that it sucks because so many men aren’t marrying women. But never addressed is that while this might suck for society, it only sucks for the individual men if they want to get married.

    More and more single men are staying that way because they have rationally decided that to marry in today’s society is foolish. They look at the women today and simply don’t want to marry them.

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    • Replies: @Simon in London
    But all the data says married men are a lot happier than unmarried, and that young men still want to marry. It's the reluctance of young women with college educations* to marry that is the primary driver. Men in their 20s are not pushing away hordes of graduate girls eager to marry them.

    *Non-college rural white women in the USA still seem keen to get pregnant and get married, and it's true that young men are reluctant to marry these women, because the men can get sex without marriage, and the women would be a financial burden.
    , @Gutenberg
    White women my age (I'm 27) are largely unappealing to me because they are terribly dull. They've so devoted to their careers that they have very little interest in high culture or traditional feminine arts, the things which make life pleasant and charming. To get involved with such a person always feels like a dreadful burden to no point- they always want to complain about their jobs, still expect me to pay for dates, etc. the idea of a sexual division of labor is not there.
  19. THE SEVERE SHORTAGE OF YOUNG WHITE WOMEN—ANOTHER TRAGEDY OF IMMIGRATION.

    Thanks for the excellent article, Sir. I am glad you raised this issue, because this is a very serious problem, that many good young white men are not able to find a decent young white female.

    In my estimation, and experience, a single white female in the 18-30 age group is chased by at least 5-10 men!

    Yes, I know this for a fact. I have talked to several women and their calendars were full of dates for the next few months, all with different men! The earliest you can get a date with her is 3 months away, and that is assuming she goes out with a different man every weekend!

    I found out that each of these single white women had almost 5-10 men chasing them and wanting to go out with them. This was confirmed when I estimated the numbers.

    Here are my calculations:

    For each 100 white women in this 18-30 age group, there are:

    105 white men in that age group;
    105 white men in the next higher age group (30-40), looking for younger women, albeit married, but nevertheless, out looking for a younger girl;
    105 much older white men in the next higher age group (40-50), looking for younger women, albeit married, but nevertheless, out looking for a younger girl;
    20 black men trying to get a white girl in their age group;
    20 older black men (30-40) in older age group trying to get a young white girl;
    20 much older (40-50) black men in older age group trying to get a young white girl;
    Almost 20 Asians all trying to get a white girl; 40 more in higher age groups;
    Almost 20 Mexicans all trying to get a white girl; 40 more in higher age groups.

    Total: 480 men chasing 100 single white women.

    The root cause of the problem is, like you said, whites stopped having children and IMMIGRATION. Most of the immigrants tend to be men and from 3rd world countries and are here mostly to find white girls. That is the #1 goal of most immigrants—to come to America and find a white girl.

    I do not think game is a good solution. Most of the bars in college were full of men standing against the wall, and staring at every girl who walked in, often accompanied by a man or men. You cannot game if there are no targets even.

    But there is a solution—and that is to ban immigration and deport all illegals.

    Believe me, one of the best ways to convince even liberal men to get up and work towards banning immigration is when you show them the above number and make them realize that immigration is the reason they cannot find a girl.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    "Most of the immigrants tend to be men and from 3rd world countries and are here mostly to find white girls."

    I certainly agree.

    But who would want a low IQ, third world male? A low IQ female, of course.

    So the question remains ... why would any sharp white male want such a bottom feeding female, white or otherwise?

    Would any sharp male really want a Deborah or Shirley or who is pursuing a Jose, Abdul, or Ajamu?

    Be careful who you bed, it could be costly.

  20. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Cpluskx
    I may be wrong but I think this imbalance is mainly a result of women having equal rights with men (not a bad thing) and becoming economically self-sufficient. I think with the resources and higher SES they have now they go for the highest SES guys and prefer to stay single rather than marrying down / marrying an average guy, especially the women with highest SES. I guess situation is similar in entire West and in a lot of other places. Some research says there is dysgenic fertility in US (as a result of this) while Jayman says it's ok.

    Obviously if there is dysgenic fertility because of this new social arrangement West will fall just like Middle East with the avg iq going down but since genetic engineering and AI revolution is coming fast things will probably be alright. (of course low SES men will have to suffer for some time)

    The genetic architecture of intelligence has been difficult to unravel and likely involves thousands of genetic loci of mostly small effect. Genetic engineering that can work reliably at that many loci without producing unwanted mutations is not so close at hand but may reach us eventually. But AI might reduce the demand. If even enhanced people wouldn’t be intelligent enough to compete with the machines, what’s the point of the enhancement?

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  21. @Anon
    "It’s hard to avoid concluding that a lot of young white men are shut out of the marriage market."

    I think the main solution for white men is the Culture of Reality, the Culture of Maturity, and the Culture of Life.

    I think too much pop culture, video game, and etc. have made too many young males have a weak sense of reality. They need to get real again. This is a problem in Europe and Japan as well as in US.
    Lack of sense of reality leads to culture of immaturity. So, too many men dress and act like boys. I see middle aged men who still dress and act like teenagers.
    And then, there's the culture of life that favors human relationships over all the distractions on TV, movies, videogames, internet, and etc.

    Another thing. People need cultural organizations and social groups. Churches are among the best match-making sites because people come together for God and worship, get to know one another, fall in love, and get married.

    It is better for men and women to meet socially and then fall in love romantically. Looking for SEX outright is the wrong approach. It's better to get together for shared interests and convictions. Like the Amish though they take it too far. And Mormons too.

    So, whites need to create cultural organizations that attract men and women. And through such organizations, they can meet and maybe mate.

    Focus on social relations that may lead to sexual relations.

    Too much focus in on 'getting it on'. Too direct, too blunt, and too crude.

    Seek cultural solutions to sexual challenges.

    The current culture is destructive of male sensibility and behavior. Boys who fail to face up to reality and mature properly are not men.

    Stupidity, childishness, and tattoos reign.

    Wise observation.

    Yes, young men need to stop buying into modern culture(calling it that is a stretch, it’s really just a nasty mix created by Madison Avenue and Hollywood) because it’s empty and results in atomized people that are mal-adjusted who belong to nothing(historian Carroll Quigley noticed this happening back in the 1970′s). This guarantees a lot of men won’t find mates or meaningful relationships because they lack the socialization and interpersonal skills for it. To put it bluntly they’re feral.

    “The current culture is destructive of male sensibility and behavior. Boys who fail to face up to reality and mature properly are not men. ”

    Very true.

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  22. Controversial thought of the day: Nerdy white men marrying black women in mass would lift neighborhoods out of poverty, and cure the loneliness of both groups.

    And my experience is that the majority of working class black women are very open to that. It’s the white guys that are holding out for something more to their taste.

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    • Replies: @Stealth
    And my experience is that the majority of working class black women are very open to that.

    This is true. I never dated a black woman, but I know they're more open to interracial dating than people think.
    , @5371
    I doubt whether your suggestion will ever be implemented in reality, but it would make for an amusing sitcom.
    , @Priss Factor
    Napoleon Dynamite
    , @JSM
    Maybe Black gifted women (of whom there are more than gifted Black men) ought to take a page from the playbook of lesbians like Jodie Foster and get artificially inseminated from sperm banks of genius White men.

    That Black gifted woman who is college educated is probably going to be a single mother, anyway, if she ever even gets to be a mother, since the few smart black men that exist generally prefer White women (maybe from a subconscious desire for eugenics for his own children).

    Since that Black gifted woman is gifted, that means she has an ability to think of the future. She should know, her son, being the product of an artificial insemination by a genius White father, so being smart and somewhat-Black, would be very attractive to young, single, college-educated Black women younger than he. That guy would have a veritable cornucopia of women to choose from. And, since he's part-Black, should have at least some innate desire for Black women.

    , @Maj. Kong
    The black woman in a .gov job with multiple degrees, is frequently unmarried, physically fit, and desires a similar peer black man. They have the lowest fertility rate.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db50.pdf

    But black men are fatter the wealthier they are. (I have no clue why this is). For black women, that is reversed.

    So the single white omega would be forced to mate with an obese poor black woman.

    Digital beats physical here, I guess.
    , @SFG
    One disadvantage I haven't seen people mention is that dating a black woman if you're white possibly opens you to violence from black men who resent you for stealing their women. It was why my parents told me not to.
  23. “Then there’s gender reassignment, which means either entering the other side of the mate market or tapping into the lesbian market. It’s a viable strategy, all the more so because many white boys can be turned into hot trans women.”

    Or if they are worried about turning into gangly males with unattractive facial features they might consider taking low doses of feminising hormones in their late teens to help them look more like Ryan Gosling.

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  24. @Priss Factor
    Truth, why you be so unsatisfied with the sistaz? Why you not wanna be with someone who look like yo mama?

    When did I say that?

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    • Replies: @fish
    Every time you post.

    If I had to guess though I would posit that you're not the perpetually aggrieved black guy scoring with all the white women but some dowty middle aged cat lady who sees herself as down wit da cawz!
  25. At present, there are more White American women outmarrying than White American men, particularly in younger age groups. This disparity is mainly in marriages with African American men,

    The marriage fixation is outdated and inappropriate. Black males don’t tend to marry anybody.

    What matters is sex, co-habitation, dating, birthrates etc. Much of which nowadays happens outside of marriage. Why confine the analysis of trends to only “within marriage”?

    It’s hard to avoid concluding that a lot of young white men are shut out of the marriage market … or any kind of heterosexual relationship.

    Check out this Taki article on one White extremist:

    http://takimag.com/article/aryan_psycho_killers_and_me_david_cole#axzz3eL3SmKUz

    Aryan Psycho Killers and Me

    by David Cole

    ”“Aryan warrior” Jonathan Haynes

    …I find it ironic that I’m forced to read Semites to develop an anti-Semitic position. Gentiles, sometimes they’re not accurate as…uh, well…I’VE GOT A RIGHT TO LIVE! Let me get to the point. I see a lot of black men going out with white women. I see movies like Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner and I see who’s behind it, and it doesn’t make me comfortable. Uh, uh, uh, uh, I look at the people who’s producing that type of movie in Hollywood. Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner, Jungle Fever, etcetera, ad nauseam, and I meditate on my own position. I DON’T THINK I’M A WORTHLESS PERSON! I DON’T THINK I DON’T DESERVE A WIFE. I THINK I’M A WORTHWHILE PERSON AND I THINK I DO DESERVE A WIFE! And if I can’t get a wife, I’m gonna get angry and I’M GONNA LOOK FOR THE CAUSE OF WHY I CAN’T GET A WIFE. Why all these white women are going out with black men, I’m gonna look at the cause and I’m gonna try to eliminate them.””

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  26. @Anonymous
    This article starts out claiming that being young, male, and single sucks... then went on to merely assume that it sucks because so many men aren't marrying women. But never addressed is that while this might suck for society, it only sucks for the individual men if they want to get married.

    More and more single men are staying that way because they have rationally decided that to marry in today's society is foolish. They look at the women today and simply don't want to marry them.

    But all the data says married men are a lot happier than unmarried, and that young men still want to marry. It’s the reluctance of young women with college educations* to marry that is the primary driver. Men in their 20s are not pushing away hordes of graduate girls eager to marry them.

    *Non-college rural white women in the USA still seem keen to get pregnant and get married, and it’s true that young men are reluctant to marry these women, because the men can get sex without marriage, and the women would be a financial burden.

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    As a British resident, wouldn't you say that Indian/Pakistani men are the most highly disadvantaged in the sexual market? Lots of them get squeezed out, while a fair number of their women date white men secretly. Of course, Indian/Pak women then go on to marry Indian/Pak men after having dated inter racially for years.

    I think the whole pedophile sexual grooming epidemic is partly due to many of these men being squeezed out of the British sexual market.

    As to the question of physical attractiveness, this study from New Zealand found that Indian men have a lower lean mass and higher fat mass than Chinese men and European men.

    https://aut.researchgateway.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10292/385/WenJ.pdf?sequence=4&isAllowed=y

    Go to page 63. This study was done on residents of New Zealand.

    Indians in NZ have much lower lean (Fat Free) mass than Europeans, Chinese, Pacific Islanders, and Maoris in NZ. They also have much a higher body fat percentage. That implies that Indians would be less attractive, since muscle and low fat is an attractive physique (while little muscle and fatness is not).

  27. Priss Factor [AKA "Priss Factory"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “Exit strategies. So more and more young men are being left on the shelf, particularly in White America. How do they cope?”

    Exit strategies or Entrance opportunities?

    Could it be that those alternative options are the cause than the result of why fewer white men are marrying white women?

    And let’s not forget the fatso factor among white women.

    Another factor is change in attitude. Rap culture makes girls rude and trashy.
    Casual culture makes them vulgar and crude.
    Off-putting. But then, many millennial men are punks or twerps.

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  28. @ Anon:
    actually this marrying out phenomena is huge in Europe, at least in Germany. In a typical western german cities around 50% of the children have non-german mothers. Of those children with german mothers I would say that around 10% have westafrican fathers (but never ethiopians, somalians etc.)

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    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    "Of those children with german mothers I would say that around 10% have westafrican fathers (but never ethiopians, somalians etc.)"

    Source?
  29. One should note that the situation is much worse for Asian men in western countries (for reasons of physical attractiveness) and for asian men in asian countries (for reasons of high expectation regarding financial success)

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Actually, India/South-Asian men have it the worst in the sexual market.

    Of all races, Indian men get the lowest response rate on OKCupid dating site.

    http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/general/replyrate.png

    Another study found that when white females were asked which races they'd date and not date, Indian men were the most excluded.

    See link: http://i.imgur.com/u3l3Wxh.png

    Indian-American men also intermarry with White-American women at a lower rate than East Asian American men:

    See link: http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml

    In Canada, South Asians (ie Indian/Pak) also intermarry less than other Asian ethnic groups.

    See link: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-008-x/2010001/c-g/11143/c-g001-eng.gif

    British South Asian men also have a lower chlamydia positivity rate than British Chinese men. Since chlamydia is sexually transmitted, lower positivity indicates fewer sexual partners. It's also interesting to note that British South Asian women had a much higher chlamydia positivity rate than South Asian men, which suggests that South Asian women pursue a hypergamous mating strategy while South Asian men get squeezed out of the mating market.

    See link: http://oi60.tinypic.com/256zj2w.jpg

    I also found statistics that indicates that British South Asian men cohabited with White British women at a much lower rate than British Chinese men. I'll have to find the link again to that study.

    India has a more male-skewed sex ratio than China.

    See link: http://www.indexmundi.com/india/sex_ratio.html
    See link: http://www.indexmundi.com/china/sex_ratio.html
    , @Anonymous
    "No Sex in the City: What It’s Like to Be Female and Foreign in Japan"

    http://www.vagabondish.com/female-foreign-japan/

    "Cute baristas at Starbucks wouldn’t look at me, business men on bicycles ran over me and college students hurriedly backed away from me with mumbled apologies whenever I tried to strike up a conversation about the weather or ask for directions. They wouldn’t even give me the time of day. Literally.

    “You’ve got to be assertive,” my Japanese girlfriends advised. “Japanese guys are shy so you have to make the first move.” So I smiled invitingly at men in bars and on busses. I asked for help reading restaurant menus and subway signs.

    “Do you have any book / drink reccomendatioins?” was my usual line as I stood near them in bookstores or sat next to them on barstools. But the ‘come hither’ stare or conversation starter doesn’t work if the other person refuses to look at you. If they met my gaze at me at all, it was just to shoot me this panicked look, like I’d just asked them to father my unborn children. My boss had been right. It was hard to be a single, western woman in Japan. But why?

    I turned to the Internet for advice and was surprised to learn that the Dateless Western Woman was a familiar character in the expat world, at least judging from the score of postings on expat forums by lonely, single females.

    But as wide-spread as the problem seemed to be, it was one that many women avoided talking about. Understandably it was a tough subject to discuss without grossly overgeneralizing fifty percent of a country’s population or worse, sounding like a racist or a man-hating, snob.

    The pervading theory though, among expats and Japanese alike, was that Japanese men were in fact attracted to western women but were just too intimidated to do anything about it. Western women in Asia were like the Jennifer Anistons of the expat world. Strong, independent, assertive and outspoken, they were interesting to admire from afar, but no man would ever dream of striking up a conversation with one. Western women were so different, so foreign, they were virtually un-datable.

    Not true for their Y-chromosome-carrying expat buddies though. While the female expats spent Saturday nights alone, crying into their Ramen bowls, their male counterparts drank freely from the dating pool like they owned it. Which in a way, they did.

    If you’ve ever visited Asia, you’ve likely seen the pale, rail-thin, greasy-haired white boy walking hand-in hand with a perfectly made-up, mini-skirt wearing Asian chick. This would never happen anywhere else in the world. Because everywhere else, Barbie ends up with Ken, not his underemployed, socially-awkward, samurai-sword-collecting neighbor, Kevin. But in Asia, dating rules defy all logic or evolutionary law. In Asia, the nerd is king."
     
  30. @Erik Sieven
    One should note that the situation is much worse for Asian men in western countries (for reasons of physical attractiveness) and for asian men in asian countries (for reasons of high expectation regarding financial success)

    Actually, India/South-Asian men have it the worst in the sexual market.

    Of all races, Indian men get the lowest response rate on OKCupid dating site.

    http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/general/replyrate.png

    Another study found that when white females were asked which races they’d date and not date, Indian men were the most excluded.

    See link: http://i.imgur.com/u3l3Wxh.png

    Indian-American men also intermarry with White-American women at a lower rate than East Asian American men:

    See link: http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml

    In Canada, South Asians (ie Indian/Pak) also intermarry less than other Asian ethnic groups.

    See link: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-008-x/2010001/c-g/11143/c-g001-eng.gif

    British South Asian men also have a lower chlamydia positivity rate than British Chinese men. Since chlamydia is sexually transmitted, lower positivity indicates fewer sexual partners. It’s also interesting to note that British South Asian women had a much higher chlamydia positivity rate than South Asian men, which suggests that South Asian women pursue a hypergamous mating strategy while South Asian men get squeezed out of the mating market.

    See link: http://oi60.tinypic.com/256zj2w.jpg

    I also found statistics that indicates that British South Asian men cohabited with White British women at a much lower rate than British Chinese men. I’ll have to find the link again to that study.

    India has a more male-skewed sex ratio than China.

    See link: http://www.indexmundi.com/india/sex_ratio.html
    See link: http://www.indexmundi.com/china/sex_ratio.html

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  31. @Simon in London
    But all the data says married men are a lot happier than unmarried, and that young men still want to marry. It's the reluctance of young women with college educations* to marry that is the primary driver. Men in their 20s are not pushing away hordes of graduate girls eager to marry them.

    *Non-college rural white women in the USA still seem keen to get pregnant and get married, and it's true that young men are reluctant to marry these women, because the men can get sex without marriage, and the women would be a financial burden.

    As a British resident, wouldn’t you say that Indian/Pakistani men are the most highly disadvantaged in the sexual market? Lots of them get squeezed out, while a fair number of their women date white men secretly. Of course, Indian/Pak women then go on to marry Indian/Pak men after having dated inter racially for years.

    I think the whole pedophile sexual grooming epidemic is partly due to many of these men being squeezed out of the British sexual market.

    As to the question of physical attractiveness, this study from New Zealand found that Indian men have a lower lean mass and higher fat mass than Chinese men and European men.

    https://aut.researchgateway.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10292/385/WenJ.pdf?sequence=4&isAllowed=y

    Go to page 63. This study was done on residents of New Zealand.

    Indians in NZ have much lower lean (Fat Free) mass than Europeans, Chinese, Pacific Islanders, and Maoris in NZ. They also have much a higher body fat percentage. That implies that Indians would be less attractive, since muscle and low fat is an attractive physique (while little muscle and fatness is not).

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    • Replies: @Anon
    "As a British resident, wouldn’t you say that Indian/Pakistani men are the most highly disadvantaged in the sexual market?"

    They just need to go easy on the curry.
    , @Simon in London
    >>As a British resident, wouldn’t you say that Indian/Pakistani men are the most highly disadvantaged in the sexual market? Lots of them get squeezed out, while a fair number of their women date white men secretly. Of course, Indian/Pak women then go on to marry Indian/Pak men after having dated inter racially for years.

    I think the whole pedophile sexual grooming epidemic is partly due to many of these men being squeezed out of the British sexual market.<<

    They are able to marry their illiterate, non-English-speaking first cousin brought in from Pakistan. But they want the white girls they see on TV, hence the grooming/rape gangs.

    Middle-class South Asian women who live away from home do date white men, probably preferentially. Lower class Muslim ones are often required to marry their illiterate, non-English-speaking first cousin brought in from Pakistan.

    But your analysis seems essentially correct for non-Muslim south Asians and probably for middle-class Muslims; eg a friend of mine from Northern Ireland is married to a Hindu woman and they have two children.

    I'd say that some women do find east-Asian men attractive; I know a family with Chinese father, Irish mother, and four extremely lovely mixed-race daughters. :D
    Conversely very few women of any race find south-Asian men attractive unless they are so high caste they're basically white Aryans. But south Asian men may have access to arranged marriages, east-Asian men don't.
  32. What about the Fat and Ugly factor? There are a horrendous amount of young Women that are absolute beasts that I can’t imagine anyone wanting to have sex with. I don’t know what is gone wrong with the gene pool but we are raising some real monsters.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    And you think this is restricted to WOMEN??? HaHa look around you, ma cheri!
  33. There was a lot of food for thought in this article and the comments. I have three observations.

    1. We are probably twenty years or less away from the legalization of polygamy (polyamory) in the U.S. by Supreme Court fiat. This may not make a dramatic difference in beta male sexual exclusion/starvation by coralling even more nubile females in alpha-male harems, but it sure won’t help.

    2. Will beta male rampage ever become a major societal disruptor? It’s hard not to see some form of sexual frustration in the actions of some spree shooters or the Germanwings pilot. Granted, all these men had significant psychiatric problems, but I think these rampages would have been less likely if they had been married with children. Beta males could, if they chose to do so, create considerable havoc in a supra-industrial society. (The Germanwings pilot actually didn’t have to fly the plane into the ground, he just set the autopilot to do so.) Imagine sexually frustrated betas shutting down the power grid randomly. Or hacking into government computers and blocking electronic transfers to EBT cards–an inner city could explode in the 72 hours it might take to correct the hacking (“Who’s gonna feed dese babees!) Or what about blocking (even temporarily) the desposits of Social Security funds into retirees’ accounts, or Medicare reimbursements into hospital or physician’s accounts?

    3. In the alternative, the beta males might simply “Go John Galt,” and withdraw their services. Let the racial and sexual preference hires manage nuclear power plants and the air traffic control system. What could possibly go wrong?

    Perhaps the revenge of the (beta) nerds will not take such dramatic forms. But leaving large numbers of technologically competent men sexually and emotionally starved runs the risk that they will exact a terrible vengeance.

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    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    "We are probably twenty years or less away from the legalization of polygamy (polyamory) in the U.S. by Supreme Court fiat."

    It depends on power.

    There isn't much power behind polygamy and incest marriage.
  34. @duderino
    Controversial thought of the day: Nerdy white men marrying black women in mass would lift neighborhoods out of poverty, and cure the loneliness of both groups.

    And my experience is that the majority of working class black women are very open to that. It's the white guys that are holding out for something more to their taste.

    And my experience is that the majority of working class black women are very open to that.

    This is true. I never dated a black woman, but I know they’re more open to interracial dating than people think.

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    SOLUTION TO SHORTAGE OF WHITE WOMEN DUE TO MAL-CEGENATION

    The second related cause of the serious shortage of young available white women for marriage for white men is mal-cegenation (that you called out-marriage). With many white women falling prey to black men (and other darker races and immigrants) and dating or marrying them or having children with them, leaves a lot fewer women for whites to marry.

    For a white man, to marry a black woman is NOT a good choice (as one commentator suggests). Does that mean white men should pick up the ugliest class of women that even black men rejected? Mal-cegenation is not a solution to mal-cegenation.

    Single white men who cannot find a decent white girl to marry instead must focus on these solutions and become active in solving the root cause:

    a. Work on Banning Immigration—never vote for Democrats or an alienist. Become politically active in this issue. Join numbersusa.com. Put bumper stickers promoting banning immigration.

    b. Speaking out against mal-cegenation and educate white sisters that going out with blacks or other darker races is wrong and dangerous and despicable.

    This can be done by setting up web sites showing statistics that blacks have lower IQ, higher rates of HIV and other STD’s, are more violent and more promiscuous. Show white women that by going out with blacks, they are “dating down”. Does a good looking girl want to go with a low IQ crook or a criminal? A low IQ son who will be killing his neighbors or her relatives? Post news stories of white women who were raped and/or murdered by their black/brown boy-friends. It used to be that white women who went out with blacks or browns were considered sluts. In fact, most black and brown men consider white women who go out with their brethren as sluts! Society needs to be more outspoken about calling such women sluts. Slut shaming of such white women would help reverse the tide. Expose the role of Jewish (Hollywood and corporate) propaganda in brainwashing white women into dating down and descent into depravity.
    , @Jonathan Mason
    Yes, I have dated many African-American women. Once they know you are interested they soon warm up.
  35. @duderino
    Controversial thought of the day: Nerdy white men marrying black women in mass would lift neighborhoods out of poverty, and cure the loneliness of both groups.

    And my experience is that the majority of working class black women are very open to that. It's the white guys that are holding out for something more to their taste.

    I doubt whether your suggestion will ever be implemented in reality, but it would make for an amusing sitcom.

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  36. The traditional way that societies deal with a surplus of young males is through WAR.

    There is no real reason to think that basic human nature has changed very much in the last 70 years — Steven Pinker notwithstanding.

    And when you look at Middle Eastern and African pre-teenaged boys doing bayonet practice and learning to field-strip AK-47s while Western boys are punished for pointing fingers at each other and saying “Bang,” the long-term outlook is not encouraging for the West.

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    • Replies: @Chuck
    We should bring back gladiatorial combat. Although wimpy betas flailing at each other might not be much of a spectacle.
  37. Priss Factor [AKA "Priss Factory"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Erik Sieven
    @ Anon:
    actually this marrying out phenomena is huge in Europe, at least in Germany. In a typical western german cities around 50% of the children have non-german mothers. Of those children with german mothers I would say that around 10% have westafrican fathers (but never ethiopians, somalians etc.)

    “Of those children with german mothers I would say that around 10% have westafrican fathers (but never ethiopians, somalians etc.)”

    Source?

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  38. Priss Factor [AKA "Priss Factory"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Diversity Heretic
    There was a lot of food for thought in this article and the comments. I have three observations.

    1. We are probably twenty years or less away from the legalization of polygamy (polyamory) in the U.S. by Supreme Court fiat. This may not make a dramatic difference in beta male sexual exclusion/starvation by coralling even more nubile females in alpha-male harems, but it sure won't help.

    2. Will beta male rampage ever become a major societal disruptor? It's hard not to see some form of sexual frustration in the actions of some spree shooters or the Germanwings pilot. Granted, all these men had significant psychiatric problems, but I think these rampages would have been less likely if they had been married with children. Beta males could, if they chose to do so, create considerable havoc in a supra-industrial society. (The Germanwings pilot actually didn't have to fly the plane into the ground, he just set the autopilot to do so.) Imagine sexually frustrated betas shutting down the power grid randomly. Or hacking into government computers and blocking electronic transfers to EBT cards--an inner city could explode in the 72 hours it might take to correct the hacking ("Who's gonna feed dese babees!) Or what about blocking (even temporarily) the desposits of Social Security funds into retirees' accounts, or Medicare reimbursements into hospital or physician's accounts?

    3. In the alternative, the beta males might simply "Go John Galt," and withdraw their services. Let the racial and sexual preference hires manage nuclear power plants and the air traffic control system. What could possibly go wrong?

    Perhaps the revenge of the (beta) nerds will not take such dramatic forms. But leaving large numbers of technologically competent men sexually and emotionally starved runs the risk that they will exact a terrible vengeance.

    “We are probably twenty years or less away from the legalization of polygamy (polyamory) in the U.S. by Supreme Court fiat.”

    It depends on power.

    There isn’t much power behind polygamy and incest marriage.

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    Well, I hope you're right. Steve Sailer had some speculation on how the media might develop sympathy for polygamous relationships (Mormons need not apply), but Muslim agitation for cultural respect is certainly one possible avenue. Another would be hippie-style communal living ("We all love each other so much and we just want the law to recognize that.) The Defense of Marriage Act was signed about 20 years ago and look at where we are today.
  39. Priss Factor [AKA "Priss Factory"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @duderino
    Controversial thought of the day: Nerdy white men marrying black women in mass would lift neighborhoods out of poverty, and cure the loneliness of both groups.

    And my experience is that the majority of working class black women are very open to that. It's the white guys that are holding out for something more to their taste.

    Napoleon Dynamite

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    One factor left out is mass immigration especially illegal immigration which is very heavily skewed by age and gender.

    Obviously illegal immigrants are going to be near the back of the queue in terms of dating but they provide the demand for ultra cheap and therefore generally forced prostitution which soaks up most of the white girls in white minority areas.

    Whenever this issue comes up for discussion, there are often reassurances that the disparity will disappear in a post-racial world that has been cleansed of “White privilege.” I’m not so sure.

    You’re right; it’s completely untrue. It might work out that way in some versions of reality but in the currently existing one it doesn’t take into account the *vast* amounts of anti-white violence especially sexual violence in integrated areas. In terms of rape it’s white first, 3/4 white or east Asian second, half-white or south Asian third and then continuing by shade. I don’t know why it is but it is.

    (Plus the darker skinned girls get mad and attack the lighter skinned ones as well which makes it worse.)

    I knew areas where there are gangs 300 strong and the girls coming up in those areas have *no* choice in who is the father of their first baby. They might get to choose which gang member is the father but it has to be a gang member.

    The truth is so bad if the media ever told the truth no-one would believe it.

    So on top of the other factors, forced integration and the gang culture and violence that ensures as a result primarily over access to females has a dramatic effect at least at some social levels. Young men aren’t necessarily competing as individuals in those environments but as gangs with winner take all.

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  41. Nice to see a article like this outside the normal channels. There is an area on the interwebz known as the Manosphere … a loose connection of men and blogs who discuss such things. And the problem is far larger than described in the article. It is known as “The Thirst”

    The problem as noted is there are far far far fewer women who are desirable to men who want nothing more than what most men want. A loving wife and someone to be a mother to his children. Given huge levels of Obesity in Women, lack of morals, out and out just plain slutish/whorish behavior, huge over valuing of oneself (women), and hypergamy … this leads tp very few women getting all the attention from men. In response, women get choosier and choosier. And Feminism have ruined women such that the things the value in men are actually horrible. Rather than have a decent man with good values; they choose Tall, tatted out assholes, pschopaths really, bad-boys who have no redeeming value for society.

    The situation is far worse that indicated here. Essentially the ONLY men in our society that get sex anymore are about 10% who meet the new screwed up critera and some men who have been married for a long time (got in the game before it went to hell). The article here describes young men in their 20s and yes about 80-90% of them have essentially zero prospects. They will not have access to sex with women. Under the current rules: THEY WILL NEVER HAVE ACCESS TO WOMEN. They are locked out of the market completely.

    What many men are doing is what is called MGTOW – essentially dropping out and refusing to engage with women at all. No wives. No girlfriends. No children. Its essentially its a big F-U middle finger to society. “You don’t want us … well go F*** YOURSELF”. This is not what men really want of course. And things may change … especially if the current DIVORCE-RAPE laws change. Or if women change. Neither of which is likely.

    The issue is, if that is now your lifestyle … well, if I don’t have a family to support I don’t need much of a job/career now do I ? Education ? Skills ? Reputation. Participation in society, etc. Hell, I can live in mom’s basement, smoke weed, and play video games and have a much better life … than playing in the Rate Race in a game that I cannot and will not ever win. Men have made a logical choice: if the rules are such that I can’t win … then I won’t play. I’ll just act like a teenager forever …

    So what happens when enough men refuse to play and drop out ? Well, that has been talked about for a long time. See: The Misandry Bubble

    http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

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  42. @JayMan

    Historically, same-sex preference was more common among men than among women.
     
    Well, they identify as such more now. But what were they actually doing in the past? Today, a considerably larger margin of women admit to being somewhat same-sex attracted than do men:

    Female Same-Sex Attraction Revisited | JayMan's Blog

    At present, there are more White American women outmarrying than White American men, particularly in younger age groups. This disparity is mainly in marriages with African American men ...

    This disparity isn’t new. What is new is its extent, for both legal and common-law marriages. An idea may be gleaned from statistics on children born to White American women, specifically the proportion fathered by a non-White partner. For the U.S. as a whole the proportion in 2013 was between 11% and 20%
     
    And here I go contributing to that statistic. :) Typically however, it's the lower quality (and presumably lower-IQ) White women who marry out. Since fertility trends are such that the highest IQ White men are reproducing most, creating an overall neutral to eugenic fertility trend for IQ...

    Idiocracy Can Wait? | JayMan's Blog

    ...maybe it's not a bad thing if men at the bottom are locked out of the mate market.

    So more and more young men are being left on the shelf, particularly in White America. How do they cope? Mostly by turning to porn from Internet websites, videocassettes, or magazines. Love dolls are another option and may grow in popularity as they become more human-like, not only physically but also in their ability to talk and interact.
     
    I am curious about the fate of these locked-out men.

    For the record, during the past century, 10-25% of the men to failed to reproduce. Assuming these are the most genetic load-heavy men (a safe-ish assumption), this is probably a good thing for the health of the population.

    Then there’s gender reassignment, which means either entering the other side of the mate market or tapping into the lesbian market. It’s a viable strategy, all the more so because many white boys can be turned into hot trans women.
     
    ~1 in 10,000 I believe, right? :)

    My attitude toward game is like my attitude toward gender reassignment. Both are attempts to push the envelope of phenotypic plasticity beyond its usual limits, and neither can fully achieve the desired result.
     
    Right on!

    …maybe it’s not a bad thing if men at the bottom are locked out of the mate market.

    If things are bad now, pity the young White boys in thirty years. He’s smart enough because his dad is smart, but there are even fewer young White, smart women available to him, because the few smart women that exist don’t marry until they’re too old to reproduce.

    In addition, the somewhat-lower IQ White gal that that smart young, lonely, guy in the old days could have settled for will have become much rarer, as the low-IQ mothers of those nonexistent girls have disgenically outbred with even lower-IQ non-White men. So what the smart-enough young White guy has to choose from is mixed-race girls who are dumber even than the dumb blondes of the old days.

    Had those mothers, instead of consorting with Blacks, married low-average White men, reversion-to-the-mean of the population group would have given us a supply of 100-IQ White women for those smart-enough men.

    YIKES. From the Space Age to Idiocracy in 100 years.

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    If it is having a eugenic effect, however, shouldn't he be happy taking one for the team, so to speak?
  43. At the risk of being harsh, I have to point out that this is exactly why Peter Frost and to some extent Sailer have been called the “cuckold HBD” crowd. This article contains many half-truths and some outright lies. For example, if you actually check the relevant figure, which is children born to white mothers where the father is not white, the figure for children with “hispanic” fathers and white mothers is close to 6% and the figure with black fathers is about half that much. So if Frost wanted to focus on the problem of racial sexual competition he would mention this figure, which in fact he distorts, leaving the reader to think that the majority of the 11-20% is because of interracial mating with blacks. In fact the bulk of that 11% is with “hispanics,” which you have to put in quotation marks because my bet is that the vast majority of those are South American Spaniards and not 4’7 mestizo cholos. The figure in fact for children born to white mothers with black fathers is around 3%. I don’t know about the “undeclared” figure of around 9% but there’s no reason to assume most of those are black either.

    This is par for the course, as Frost has denied in the past, for example, that there is an epidemic of vitamin D deficiency among Western populations worldwide, when there is a lot of evidence for such deficiency. But there is a pattern to his denials or distortions, which is that all of thse fuel different aspects of his cuckold fantasy; so because of this article and because of his general take on things I’d put my money on it, that he watches interracial porn and has fantasies about white male feminization, which he discusses above as if it is a real problem or “strategy,” rather than a statistical blip that is mostly the practice of a certain kind of homosexual.

    One thing he doesn’t discuss at all is the problem of female obesity in the West (and the likely fact that many if not most white females who breed with or marry blacks are obese and/or aged). To any reader of heartiste or similar blogs, and any observer of day to day life in the USA, this problem of white female obesity and in general white female undesirability (disagreeableness, bitchiness, sloppiness in dress, etc.) would seem to be a much bigger problem for young single white men, but of course Frost doesn’t mention this. Why? Because white female desirability is central to his cuckold fetish, without which it would whither. Note that he compares American women to East European women, which is absurd.

    Finally you should know that I don’t say these things about Frost (or Sailer) just because of this article, but because of their general, and ahistorical, take on the history of Western civilization (a more appropriate name than “white,” which was never a self-identifier except in the colonies). You can see this nonsense in the last paragraphs where he complains about “Don Juans” (as if Italian culture is not even more central to Western history and culture than NW Euro), and where he has this image of “shy” beta workalike NW Euros who “built civilization.” This is garbage, as civilization was built by alphas, not betas. This is a longer discussion, but Frost and Sailer are indeed beta IT-type guys or nerdoids who see themselves and their type as foundational to Western culture, when in fact they are another symptom of its decline. Conservatives in the 19th century were already complaining about how culture was decaying because the democratic age gave dominion to the meek shopkeeper and the calculating bourgeois. We’ve forgotten this and foolishly identify “white civilization” precisely with the meek shopkeeper. But it was not always this way, and the Viking and Finn were not seen as anything like “beta” even quite recently.

    The point is this, that if Western society is indeed “beta” then it deserves to fail, and it WILL fail. The right to rule doesn’t and shouldn’t belong to accountants, shopkeepers, programmers, and timid calculators…and never did.

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    Would you classify Thomas Alva Edison or George Westinghouse or Harvey Firestone or Charles Goodyear as alphas or betas? I read a biography of the Wright Brothers that speculated that it was quite likely that they died virgins, and yet there was no evidence of homosexuality. Personally i'd rather have a society of these men than a society of Napoleon Bonapartes.
    , @Koy
    Yeah some good points in this comment, very Nietzsche! Forget game read Nietzsche. But yeah Professor Frost do you or do you not watch interracial porn? I only ask because a recent phenomenon I've come to notice in porn is white guys filming their wives with black men! This came to my attention after seeing a film by white guy explaining how to get your wife to sleep with a black man! Very odd IMO. but it does fit in with whole 'I'm a dorky flabby white guy who can't satisfy women like a real hunky animal' cuckold fantasy theory.
  44. Ideally, this gender imbalance should be dealt with at the societal level,

    Just to make things worse?

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  45. @Stealth
    And my experience is that the majority of working class black women are very open to that.

    This is true. I never dated a black woman, but I know they're more open to interracial dating than people think.

    SOLUTION TO SHORTAGE OF WHITE WOMEN DUE TO MAL-CEGENATION

    The second related cause of the serious shortage of young available white women for marriage for white men is mal-cegenation (that you called out-marriage). With many white women falling prey to black men (and other darker races and immigrants) and dating or marrying them or having children with them, leaves a lot fewer women for whites to marry.

    For a white man, to marry a black woman is NOT a good choice (as one commentator suggests). Does that mean white men should pick up the ugliest class of women that even black men rejected? Mal-cegenation is not a solution to mal-cegenation.

    Single white men who cannot find a decent white girl to marry instead must focus on these solutions and become active in solving the root cause:

    a. Work on Banning Immigration—never vote for Democrats or an alienist. Become politically active in this issue. Join numbersusa.com. Put bumper stickers promoting banning immigration.

    b. Speaking out against mal-cegenation and educate white sisters that going out with blacks or other darker races is wrong and dangerous and despicable.

    This can be done by setting up web sites showing statistics that blacks have lower IQ, higher rates of HIV and other STD’s, are more violent and more promiscuous. Show white women that by going out with blacks, they are “dating down”. Does a good looking girl want to go with a low IQ crook or a criminal? A low IQ son who will be killing his neighbors or her relatives? Post news stories of white women who were raped and/or murdered by their black/brown boy-friends. It used to be that white women who went out with blacks or browns were considered sluts. In fact, most black and brown men consider white women who go out with their brethren as sluts! Society needs to be more outspoken about calling such women sluts. Slut shaming of such white women would help reverse the tide. Expose the role of Jewish (Hollywood and corporate) propaganda in brainwashing white women into dating down and descent into depravity.

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  46. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @JohnnyWalker123
    As a British resident, wouldn't you say that Indian/Pakistani men are the most highly disadvantaged in the sexual market? Lots of them get squeezed out, while a fair number of their women date white men secretly. Of course, Indian/Pak women then go on to marry Indian/Pak men after having dated inter racially for years.

    I think the whole pedophile sexual grooming epidemic is partly due to many of these men being squeezed out of the British sexual market.

    As to the question of physical attractiveness, this study from New Zealand found that Indian men have a lower lean mass and higher fat mass than Chinese men and European men.

    https://aut.researchgateway.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10292/385/WenJ.pdf?sequence=4&isAllowed=y

    Go to page 63. This study was done on residents of New Zealand.

    Indians in NZ have much lower lean (Fat Free) mass than Europeans, Chinese, Pacific Islanders, and Maoris in NZ. They also have much a higher body fat percentage. That implies that Indians would be less attractive, since muscle and low fat is an attractive physique (while little muscle and fatness is not).

    “As a British resident, wouldn’t you say that Indian/Pakistani men are the most highly disadvantaged in the sexual market?”

    They just need to go easy on the curry.

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  47. @duderino
    Controversial thought of the day: Nerdy white men marrying black women in mass would lift neighborhoods out of poverty, and cure the loneliness of both groups.

    And my experience is that the majority of working class black women are very open to that. It's the white guys that are holding out for something more to their taste.

    Maybe Black gifted women (of whom there are more than gifted Black men) ought to take a page from the playbook of lesbians like Jodie Foster and get artificially inseminated from sperm banks of genius White men.

    That Black gifted woman who is college educated is probably going to be a single mother, anyway, if she ever even gets to be a mother, since the few smart black men that exist generally prefer White women (maybe from a subconscious desire for eugenics for his own children).

    Since that Black gifted woman is gifted, that means she has an ability to think of the future. She should know, her son, being the product of an artificial insemination by a genius White father, so being smart and somewhat-Black, would be very attractive to young, single, college-educated Black women younger than he. That guy would have a veritable cornucopia of women to choose from. And, since he’s part-Black, should have at least some innate desire for Black women.

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    I've had that thought about white sperm doners too. I don't see many people openly advocating it since its logic is tied in with genetic real talk for which society isn't ready. Any significant influx of light skinned blacks would dominate the mating market. It's an awkward conversation for blacks but most prefer light skinned or what they call "red-boned" women, and to a lesser extent, men. My theory is that lighter skin shows more honest signals of youth (and fertility) than dark skin, which is slow to age.
  48. @BAPPY
    At the risk of being harsh, I have to point out that this is exactly why Peter Frost and to some extent Sailer have been called the "cuckold HBD" crowd. This article contains many half-truths and some outright lies. For example, if you actually check the relevant figure, which is children born to white mothers where the father is not white, the figure for children with "hispanic" fathers and white mothers is close to 6% and the figure with black fathers is about half that much. So if Frost wanted to focus on the problem of racial sexual competition he would mention this figure, which in fact he distorts, leaving the reader to think that the majority of the 11-20% is because of interracial mating with blacks. In fact the bulk of that 11% is with "hispanics," which you have to put in quotation marks because my bet is that the vast majority of those are South American Spaniards and not 4'7 mestizo cholos. The figure in fact for children born to white mothers with black fathers is around 3%. I don't know about the "undeclared" figure of around 9% but there's no reason to assume most of those are black either.

    This is par for the course, as Frost has denied in the past, for example, that there is an epidemic of vitamin D deficiency among Western populations worldwide, when there is a lot of evidence for such deficiency. But there is a pattern to his denials or distortions, which is that all of thse fuel different aspects of his cuckold fantasy; so because of this article and because of his general take on things I'd put my money on it, that he watches interracial porn and has fantasies about white male feminization, which he discusses above as if it is a real problem or "strategy," rather than a statistical blip that is mostly the practice of a certain kind of homosexual.

    One thing he doesn't discuss at all is the problem of female obesity in the West (and the likely fact that many if not most white females who breed with or marry blacks are obese and/or aged). To any reader of heartiste or similar blogs, and any observer of day to day life in the USA, this problem of white female obesity and in general white female undesirability (disagreeableness, bitchiness, sloppiness in dress, etc.) would seem to be a much bigger problem for young single white men, but of course Frost doesn't mention this. Why? Because white female desirability is central to his cuckold fetish, without which it would whither. Note that he compares American women to East European women, which is absurd.

    Finally you should know that I don't say these things about Frost (or Sailer) just because of this article, but because of their general, and ahistorical, take on the history of Western civilization (a more appropriate name than "white," which was never a self-identifier except in the colonies). You can see this nonsense in the last paragraphs where he complains about "Don Juans" (as if Italian culture is not even more central to Western history and culture than NW Euro), and where he has this image of "shy" beta workalike NW Euros who "built civilization." This is garbage, as civilization was built by alphas, not betas. This is a longer discussion, but Frost and Sailer are indeed beta IT-type guys or nerdoids who see themselves and their type as foundational to Western culture, when in fact they are another symptom of its decline. Conservatives in the 19th century were already complaining about how culture was decaying because the democratic age gave dominion to the meek shopkeeper and the calculating bourgeois. We've forgotten this and foolishly identify "white civilization" precisely with the meek shopkeeper. But it was not always this way, and the Viking and Finn were not seen as anything like "beta" even quite recently.

    The point is this, that if Western society is indeed "beta" then it deserves to fail, and it WILL fail. The right to rule doesn't and shouldn't belong to accountants, shopkeepers, programmers, and timid calculators...and never did.

    Would you classify Thomas Alva Edison or George Westinghouse or Harvey Firestone or Charles Goodyear as alphas or betas? I read a biography of the Wright Brothers that speculated that it was quite likely that they died virgins, and yet there was no evidence of homosexuality. Personally i’d rather have a society of these men than a society of Napoleon Bonapartes.

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    You can't have a society of just alphas or just betas. I mean, neither is feasible. No one can be alpha without beta followers. The question is, how do we create a society which allows for maximum harmony between people of different types.
  49. @Priss Factor
    "We are probably twenty years or less away from the legalization of polygamy (polyamory) in the U.S. by Supreme Court fiat."

    It depends on power.

    There isn't much power behind polygamy and incest marriage.

    Well, I hope you’re right. Steve Sailer had some speculation on how the media might develop sympathy for polygamous relationships (Mormons need not apply), but Muslim agitation for cultural respect is certainly one possible avenue. Another would be hippie-style communal living (“We all love each other so much and we just want the law to recognize that.) The Defense of Marriage Act was signed about 20 years ago and look at where we are today.

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  50. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    the likely fact that many if not most white females who breed with or marry blacks are obese and/or aged).

    It may be a question of disproportionate noticing but I’d say they are mostly too young (and thus slim at the time). Cads always target very young girls because they are easier to lie to.

    Those girls do tend to get fat later on as they have no reason not to as they have no husband or any prospect of one.

    this problem of white female obesity and in general white female undesirability

    if there is demand over supply then women don’t have to try as hard so things like obesity would be a symptom not the cause.

    some people just always want to blame white people generally for problems caused by excessive immigration especially disproportionately young male blue collar immigration.

    As a British resident, wouldn’t you say that Indian/Pakistani men are the most highly disadvantaged in the sexual market?

    In the marriage market not at all – cos arranged marriages with cousins in India/Pakistan.

    Also those groups which have a doctor/lawyer culture do okay separate from that for practical reasons.

    Sexual market maybe – except in those areas where the dominant gang is from their ethnic group – which will generally only mean blue collar populations.

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  51. I have no opinion on those men other than that they shouldn’t rule a society, but should do science and receive the honors of a scientist. They will always be in the minority anyway, so it’s a non-point. They are in any case the very rare exception. The common run of beta is the bureaucrat, the shopkeeper, the accountant, the timid man who calculates and lives in fear. Such men have never been attractive to women, and have only become predominant in the West with the rise of universal suffrage and democratic politics/industrial society in the 19th century. This is the ultimate cause of Western decline and no, I don’t want a society where such types are the ruling faction or constituency in any way. From this comes feminism and Western decline in all its manifestations. And you see this if you read 19th C conservatives and right wingers who understood the problem back then. Your average French aristo or Prussian junker was not “beta” by any measure. And it is European aristocracy, not the democratic man, that is the builder and founder of Western civilization. The shopkeeper and merchant has value but should be subordinate, just like the serf should be subordinate. A society ruled by the descendants of shopkeepers, clerks, and serfs will be degenerate.

    I would consider Hernan Cortes typical of a Western founder and he was no beta, nor were any of his knights.

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    The French aristos, Prussian Junkers, and people like Cortes and his knights lived off a vast substrate of peasants or factory workers and clerks, depending on era. They were never more than 10% of the population or so. If those peasants, factory workers, and clerks acted alpha and started lounging around and trying to use game instead of working hard, we'd basically have...Africa. Germany in particular is beta in the sense that everyone works hard and does as they are told. They took on the whole world and almost won. Beta males produce an alpha society, alpha males produce a beta society. This is a paradox of humanity.

    Also, the West was just another feudal society until science really started getting going.

  52. Could someone please explain what “game” is?

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    Could someone please explain what “game” is?
     
    male version of 1980s feminism

    aka divide and rule
    , @duderino
    Its basically the skill of sexual self promotion and dating logistics.

    Examples include:

    Alternating between meanly teasing a girl and the occasional compliment to rile her emotions and create mystery.

    Playing hard to get.

    Using a commanding voice and confident body language to "look the part" of a guy who has options.

    Using the sociological concept of "social proof" to create the image of a ladies man and raise your perceived value as a mate.

    Knowing how to navigate complicated social situations, like having enough approval from her friends that you can get her to leave the club alone with you without drama.
  53. @Anonymous
    This article starts out claiming that being young, male, and single sucks... then went on to merely assume that it sucks because so many men aren't marrying women. But never addressed is that while this might suck for society, it only sucks for the individual men if they want to get married.

    More and more single men are staying that way because they have rationally decided that to marry in today's society is foolish. They look at the women today and simply don't want to marry them.

    White women my age (I’m 27) are largely unappealing to me because they are terribly dull. They’ve so devoted to their careers that they have very little interest in high culture or traditional feminine arts, the things which make life pleasant and charming. To get involved with such a person always feels like a dreadful burden to no point- they always want to complain about their jobs, still expect me to pay for dates, etc. the idea of a sexual division of labor is not there.

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  54. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @jamie B.
    Could someone please explain what "game" is?

    Could someone please explain what “game” is?

    male version of 1980s feminism

    aka divide and rule

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  55. @JSM
    Maybe Black gifted women (of whom there are more than gifted Black men) ought to take a page from the playbook of lesbians like Jodie Foster and get artificially inseminated from sperm banks of genius White men.

    That Black gifted woman who is college educated is probably going to be a single mother, anyway, if she ever even gets to be a mother, since the few smart black men that exist generally prefer White women (maybe from a subconscious desire for eugenics for his own children).

    Since that Black gifted woman is gifted, that means she has an ability to think of the future. She should know, her son, being the product of an artificial insemination by a genius White father, so being smart and somewhat-Black, would be very attractive to young, single, college-educated Black women younger than he. That guy would have a veritable cornucopia of women to choose from. And, since he's part-Black, should have at least some innate desire for Black women.

    I’ve had that thought about white sperm doners too. I don’t see many people openly advocating it since its logic is tied in with genetic real talk for which society isn’t ready. Any significant influx of light skinned blacks would dominate the mating market. It’s an awkward conversation for blacks but most prefer light skinned or what they call “red-boned” women, and to a lesser extent, men. My theory is that lighter skin shows more honest signals of youth (and fertility) than dark skin, which is slow to age.

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    Being the father of 3 kids (and 2 grand-kids) and being rather old,
    I never tried and never thought about sperm donation by myself.
    But to the best of my understanding of law practice in USA,
    the biological father of the donor-conceived child, if found,
    can be sought for child support, in spite of all prior arrangements.
    Is it so ?
  56. @Diversity Heretic
    Would you classify Thomas Alva Edison or George Westinghouse or Harvey Firestone or Charles Goodyear as alphas or betas? I read a biography of the Wright Brothers that speculated that it was quite likely that they died virgins, and yet there was no evidence of homosexuality. Personally i'd rather have a society of these men than a society of Napoleon Bonapartes.

    You can’t have a society of just alphas or just betas. I mean, neither is feasible. No one can be alpha without beta followers. The question is, how do we create a society which allows for maximum harmony between people of different types.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    Pretty much. One of the advantages of traditional sexual mores is that by discouraging soft polygyny, it left more women available for the beta males.
  57. Diversity Heretic: You are full of shit. The same criticism of others apply to yourself. You obviously think you are some sort of mega Alpha so think Alphas created civilization. Know you created civilization dumb shit … BETAS DID.

    I usually try analogies with the ignorant … so here Diversity AHOLE is a an analogy hopefully even you can understand: An American Football team. There are a only limited number of men who can be true Alphas … estimated at about 10% of the male population. On an American Football team there is 1 and only 1 quarterback. There are 11 players on Offense so 1 out of 11 is approximately 10%.

    Know who gets the GLORY when a football team wins ? Yeah ahole the quarterback. Know who really makes a football team successful. The other 10 BETAS on offense and the 11 BETAS on defense.

    Apply that society and civilization. Alphas LEAD and actually create pretty much nothing. Usually what they do is STEAL from the efforts of BETAS who create EVERYTHING of VALUE. Most Alphas are pretty much mentally ill with egos off the charts … as your comments so proudly display. And for your knowledge, not like you’d care. Most BETAs do not “Envy” Alphas … we actually fucking hate you. That is why there are periodic PURGES of Alphas.

    Which really summarizes the state of our society right now. What we, as the massive base of population, the 90% of men who are being shut out … we need another French Revolution to take all the Liberal Socialists Progressive Elitist Fucktards out of their Glass Houses and “Off with the heads !!!!” them. That my friends would solve everything wrong with Western Society.

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    I think that your comment was really intended for BAPPY. The point of my post was to defend Beta males (and I readily admit it's a form of self-defense).
  58. Immigrant from former USSR [AKA "Florida Resident"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @duderino
    I've had that thought about white sperm doners too. I don't see many people openly advocating it since its logic is tied in with genetic real talk for which society isn't ready. Any significant influx of light skinned blacks would dominate the mating market. It's an awkward conversation for blacks but most prefer light skinned or what they call "red-boned" women, and to a lesser extent, men. My theory is that lighter skin shows more honest signals of youth (and fertility) than dark skin, which is slow to age.

    Being the father of 3 kids (and 2 grand-kids) and being rather old,
    I never tried and never thought about sperm donation by myself.
    But to the best of my understanding of law practice in USA,
    the biological father of the donor-conceived child, if found,
    can be sought for child support, in spite of all prior arrangements.
    Is it so ?

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    It varies by state. A rule of thumb, however, is that an anonymous donor will never pay child support. In most states, you are specifically excluded from paying.
  59. Not sure I buy into young men losing the gal to someone’s daddy. It strikes me as a sign of feminist society. How many of these single men are on psych meds, that were forced on them since childhood by some hag of child psychologist? Then you have the modern white princess phenomenon, where feminism meets spoiled rotten. It seems like those girls end up with black men or women due to white young male rejection. Seems like pure bred whites might be headed for extinction, but isn’t that a good thing?

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  60. One follow up on the Football analogy and Diversity A-Hole’s “My dick is so big that makes me an Alpha and Alphas’ created everything so that makes me top dog” attitude. It is also typical of Football Quarterbacks. Even QBs on shitty teams.

    What these psychopaths don’t realize is that essentially NONE of their success is actually do to them; they are playing a role just like BETAS. A QB needs a BETA to hike them the ball. And a running back to hand it off to. And blockers to keep him safe. Or a wide receiver to throw the ball too who can catch it a make a play. And a whole host of defenders to keep the other team from scoring, so they even have a chance to win.

    And even worse, QBs for the most part are just running plays … CALLED BY THE COACH. They are just a cog in the machine but think they are above it and they deserve all the credit. Its why by most measures ALPHAS would be considered Narcissistic, Egotistical, or just plain Insane for ignoring whats really going on.

    The real downer for BETA men is that woman are hugely attracted to ALPHAS like this; most BETAS believe its because women see the true NATURE of ALPHAS and how fucked up they are … and see that in themselves. Yeah, Women look at ALPHAS and see screwed up individuals who fail to see logic, reason and basic cause/effect. Women look at Alphas and seen themselves. Entitled, Spoiled, Cunts … accountable to no one and taking credit for stuff they had nothing to do with.

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  61. @JohnnyWalker123
    As a British resident, wouldn't you say that Indian/Pakistani men are the most highly disadvantaged in the sexual market? Lots of them get squeezed out, while a fair number of their women date white men secretly. Of course, Indian/Pak women then go on to marry Indian/Pak men after having dated inter racially for years.

    I think the whole pedophile sexual grooming epidemic is partly due to many of these men being squeezed out of the British sexual market.

    As to the question of physical attractiveness, this study from New Zealand found that Indian men have a lower lean mass and higher fat mass than Chinese men and European men.

    https://aut.researchgateway.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10292/385/WenJ.pdf?sequence=4&isAllowed=y

    Go to page 63. This study was done on residents of New Zealand.

    Indians in NZ have much lower lean (Fat Free) mass than Europeans, Chinese, Pacific Islanders, and Maoris in NZ. They also have much a higher body fat percentage. That implies that Indians would be less attractive, since muscle and low fat is an attractive physique (while little muscle and fatness is not).

    >>As a British resident, wouldn’t you say that Indian/Pakistani men are the most highly disadvantaged in the sexual market? Lots of them get squeezed out, while a fair number of their women date white men secretly. Of course, Indian/Pak women then go on to marry Indian/Pak men after having dated inter racially for years.

    I think the whole pedophile sexual grooming epidemic is partly due to many of these men being squeezed out of the British sexual market.<<

    They are able to marry their illiterate, non-English-speaking first cousin brought in from Pakistan. But they want the white girls they see on TV, hence the grooming/rape gangs.

    Middle-class South Asian women who live away from home do date white men, probably preferentially. Lower class Muslim ones are often required to marry their illiterate, non-English-speaking first cousin brought in from Pakistan.

    But your analysis seems essentially correct for non-Muslim south Asians and probably for middle-class Muslims; eg a friend of mine from Northern Ireland is married to a Hindu woman and they have two children.

    I'd say that some women do find east-Asian men attractive; I know a family with Chinese father, Irish mother, and four extremely lovely mixed-race daughters. :D
    Conversely very few women of any race find south-Asian men attractive unless they are so high caste they're basically white Aryans. But south Asian men may have access to arranged marriages, east-Asian men don't.

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  62. @Immigrant from former USSR
    Being the father of 3 kids (and 2 grand-kids) and being rather old,
    I never tried and never thought about sperm donation by myself.
    But to the best of my understanding of law practice in USA,
    the biological father of the donor-conceived child, if found,
    can be sought for child support, in spite of all prior arrangements.
    Is it so ?

    It varies by state. A rule of thumb, however, is that an anonymous donor will never pay child support. In most states, you are specifically excluded from paying.

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  63. Re black/white dating – in the video to “If I Were A Boy”, the Beyonce character fantasises about cheating on her black husband with a white cop, a fairly good looking working class Germanic type. It was ‘ok’ because it was just a fantasy, and in the video’s real-world it turns out her husband is likely cheating on her with a rather plain Hispanic female. I was very struck by this because it seemed to be expressing some truths that are too un-PC to state openly.

    1. Black women do fancy white men. In particular it is the slimmer, more attractive, more intelligent and in the USA often ‘high-yellow’ black women who are most attracted to white men, not those without other prospects.

    2. Black men really like white women of course. But the weird thing is seeing some very handsome, well-toned black man proudly parading his morbidly obese and ugly white girlfriend. Black men seem to prize whiteness above absolutely everything.

    Most of the kids at my son’s school seem to be half-black, and are brought to school by their white mothers. It’s definitely the standard occurrence. But the highest-Sexual Market Value black women are looking for white husbands, while the black men are reproducing with any white woman they can get.

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    Only thing I'd add to that black women of every physical quality and skin tone often like white men. There's a certain type that find white men "corny" but its more of a personality thing. I've worked with lots of black women, and they flirt frequently and aggressively in ways white women don't. Some were joking, some definitely weren't.
  64. @duderino
    Controversial thought of the day: Nerdy white men marrying black women in mass would lift neighborhoods out of poverty, and cure the loneliness of both groups.

    And my experience is that the majority of working class black women are very open to that. It's the white guys that are holding out for something more to their taste.

    The black woman in a .gov job with multiple degrees, is frequently unmarried, physically fit, and desires a similar peer black man. They have the lowest fertility rate.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db50.pdf

    But black men are fatter the wealthier they are. (I have no clue why this is). For black women, that is reversed.

    So the single white omega would be forced to mate with an obese poor black woman.

    Digital beats physical here, I guess.

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    This is a bit counter intuitive if your not closely familiar with black culture, but obese black women very often have kids and aren't penalized the same way fat white women are. Black men generally appreciate "thickness" to an extent other races don't. Black men are also more willing to lower their standards for a quick lay since investing in fatherhood isn't as much of a cultural standard.

    As you said, Black women who stay single are some of the highest quality ones. It can be said they're holding out for a certain type of black man that rarely exists, but I'm implying many would be open to white men if only they reciprocated that openness.
  65. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    What if they begin to clone the ‘perfect woman’ for every man and a ‘perfect man’ for every woman? (Hopefully not a ‘perfect man’ for every homo.)

    Will it be like Bride of Frankenstein?

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  66. @jamie B.
    Could someone please explain what "game" is?

    Its basically the skill of sexual self promotion and dating logistics.

    Examples include:

    Alternating between meanly teasing a girl and the occasional compliment to rile her emotions and create mystery.

    Playing hard to get.

    Using a commanding voice and confident body language to “look the part” of a guy who has options.

    Using the sociological concept of “social proof” to create the image of a ladies man and raise your perceived value as a mate.

    Knowing how to navigate complicated social situations, like having enough approval from her friends that you can get her to leave the club alone with you without drama.

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  67. @Truth
    When did I say that?

    Every time you post.

    If I had to guess though I would posit that you’re not the perpetually aggrieved black guy scoring with all the white women but some dowty middle aged cat lady who sees herself as down wit da cawz!

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    Every time you post.
     
    Let me translate for you there, Sport:

    "Why you've never said anything about being "unsatisfied with tha sistaz", Truth, I'm just a marginal dumbass who can't read and got my ebonics from Fred Williamson movies."

    See, wasn't so hard.

  68. In order to assess this situation in a more realistic way one must somehow disentangle morbid obesity from age-bracketed ratios of single (available) men to single (available) women for each race. Many more women (20 or 30% ?) are simply grotesquely fat and are out of the romance/market pool for most men.
    This exacerbates the shortage of desirable women. It may also explain why there are seemingly more available (slim) asian women. Quite frankly, there are effectively three ‘genders’ 1) male, 2) female, and 3) morbidly obese. There are few pairings with gender category (3). On the other hand, many more men are marginalized and out of the marriage market due to 1) low intelligence, 2) physical disabilities, 3) drug addiction 4) legal problems and incarceration, 5) mental health issues, or are sequestered in the military on bases, ships, or overseas.

    Also, the shortage of marriageable women has been a constant of american history from colonial or frontier days till about WWI, when mass immigration ended for a while. On the other hand, Europe had the opposite problem: Too many women couldn’t find husbands for a variety of demographic reasons 1) war, 2) emigration, etc….. American women never had to try too hard to find a husband, which many explain the high incidence of obesity, ill-feminity, vulgar/un-cultured behavior so prevalent. This is a common observation among male AND FEMALE foreign visitors to the USA.

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  69. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @JSM
    …maybe it’s not a bad thing if men at the bottom are locked out of the mate market.

    If things are bad now, pity the young White boys in thirty years. He's smart enough because his dad is smart, but there are even fewer young White, smart women available to him, because the few smart women that exist don't marry until they're too old to reproduce.

    In addition, the somewhat-lower IQ White gal that that smart young, lonely, guy in the old days could have settled for will have become much rarer, as the low-IQ mothers of those nonexistent girls have disgenically outbred with even lower-IQ non-White men. So what the smart-enough young White guy has to choose from is mixed-race girls who are dumber even than the dumb blondes of the old days.


    Had those mothers, instead of consorting with Blacks, married low-average White men, reversion-to-the-mean of the population group would have given us a supply of 100-IQ White women for those smart-enough men.

    YIKES. From the Space Age to Idiocracy in 100 years.

    If it is having a eugenic effect, however, shouldn’t he be happy taking one for the team, so to speak?

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  70. @jay-w
    The traditional way that societies deal with a surplus of young males is through WAR.

    There is no real reason to think that basic human nature has changed very much in the last 70 years -- Steven Pinker notwithstanding.

    And when you look at Middle Eastern and African pre-teenaged boys doing bayonet practice and learning to field-strip AK-47s while Western boys are punished for pointing fingers at each other and saying "Bang," the long-term outlook is not encouraging for the West.

    We should bring back gladiatorial combat. Although wimpy betas flailing at each other might not be much of a spectacle.

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    Although wimpy betas flailing at each other might not be much of a spectacle.
     
    Ah, come on, it'd be funny as hell.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpHjX0OyrX0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS4bPgwizqc
    , @njguy73
    How about dueling? A case could be made that the invention of the handgun did more for beta males than anything. I've often wondered if dueling made society more civilized. In those days no matter how alpha you were, if you pissed off a beta, he could demand satisfaction.

    "Ten Paces" Thursdays at 9 on NBC?
  71. @JayMan

    Historically, same-sex preference was more common among men than among women.
     
    Well, they identify as such more now. But what were they actually doing in the past? Today, a considerably larger margin of women admit to being somewhat same-sex attracted than do men:

    Female Same-Sex Attraction Revisited | JayMan's Blog

    At present, there are more White American women outmarrying than White American men, particularly in younger age groups. This disparity is mainly in marriages with African American men ...

    This disparity isn’t new. What is new is its extent, for both legal and common-law marriages. An idea may be gleaned from statistics on children born to White American women, specifically the proportion fathered by a non-White partner. For the U.S. as a whole the proportion in 2013 was between 11% and 20%
     
    And here I go contributing to that statistic. :) Typically however, it's the lower quality (and presumably lower-IQ) White women who marry out. Since fertility trends are such that the highest IQ White men are reproducing most, creating an overall neutral to eugenic fertility trend for IQ...

    Idiocracy Can Wait? | JayMan's Blog

    ...maybe it's not a bad thing if men at the bottom are locked out of the mate market.

    So more and more young men are being left on the shelf, particularly in White America. How do they cope? Mostly by turning to porn from Internet websites, videocassettes, or magazines. Love dolls are another option and may grow in popularity as they become more human-like, not only physically but also in their ability to talk and interact.
     
    I am curious about the fate of these locked-out men.

    For the record, during the past century, 10-25% of the men to failed to reproduce. Assuming these are the most genetic load-heavy men (a safe-ish assumption), this is probably a good thing for the health of the population.

    Then there’s gender reassignment, which means either entering the other side of the mate market or tapping into the lesbian market. It’s a viable strategy, all the more so because many white boys can be turned into hot trans women.
     
    ~1 in 10,000 I believe, right? :)

    My attitude toward game is like my attitude toward gender reassignment. Both are attempts to push the envelope of phenotypic plasticity beyond its usual limits, and neither can fully achieve the desired result.
     
    Right on!

    The author posits a frighteningly high birth rate of babies to white women sired by non white men.What do you think of this–any numbers IYHFO?

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  72. @Simon in London
    Re black/white dating - in the video to "If I Were A Boy", the Beyonce character fantasises about cheating on her black husband with a white cop, a fairly good looking working class Germanic type. It was 'ok' because it was just a fantasy, and in the video's real-world it turns out her husband is likely cheating on her with a rather plain Hispanic female. I was very struck by this because it seemed to be expressing some truths that are too un-PC to state openly.

    1. Black women do fancy white men. In particular it is the slimmer, more attractive, more intelligent and in the USA often 'high-yellow' black women who are most attracted to white men, not those without other prospects.

    2. Black men really like white women of course. But the weird thing is seeing some very handsome, well-toned black man proudly parading his morbidly obese and ugly white girlfriend. Black men seem to prize whiteness above absolutely everything.

    Most of the kids at my son's school seem to be half-black, and are brought to school by their white mothers. It's definitely the standard occurrence. But the highest-Sexual Market Value black women are looking for white husbands, while the black men are reproducing with any white woman they can get.

    Only thing I’d add to that black women of every physical quality and skin tone often like white men. There’s a certain type that find white men “corny” but its more of a personality thing. I’ve worked with lots of black women, and they flirt frequently and aggressively in ways white women don’t. Some were joking, some definitely weren’t.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandal_(TV_series)
  73. I’ve had that thought about white sperm doners too. I don’t see many people openly advocating it since its logic is tied in with genetic real talk for which society isn’t ready

    Agreed.

    But, for my imagined case of the son resulting from a hypothetical HBD-aware college-educated single Black woman who, realizing all this herself, chose a vial from the Genius White Male Sperm Bank, can you IMAGINE the enormously immense pool of choices available to her son of “high-yella” girls? That guy would be genuinely smart and therefore insanely desirable to the Affirmative Action bestowers. He’d be employed in any high-paying career he chose. Good-looking, rich and Black? He’d have those girls chasing him down the street.

    You’d think gifted single Black women, who are smart, after all, would SEE this reproductive niche and exploit it. I’m amazed this isn’t already a big social trend. Are they not so smart after all?

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  74. @Chuck
    We should bring back gladiatorial combat. Although wimpy betas flailing at each other might not be much of a spectacle.

    Although wimpy betas flailing at each other might not be much of a spectacle.

    Ah, come on, it’d be funny as hell.

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  75. @Maj. Kong
    The black woman in a .gov job with multiple degrees, is frequently unmarried, physically fit, and desires a similar peer black man. They have the lowest fertility rate.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db50.pdf

    But black men are fatter the wealthier they are. (I have no clue why this is). For black women, that is reversed.

    So the single white omega would be forced to mate with an obese poor black woman.

    Digital beats physical here, I guess.

    This is a bit counter intuitive if your not closely familiar with black culture, but obese black women very often have kids and aren’t penalized the same way fat white women are. Black men generally appreciate “thickness” to an extent other races don’t. Black men are also more willing to lower their standards for a quick lay since investing in fatherhood isn’t as much of a cultural standard.

    As you said, Black women who stay single are some of the highest quality ones. It can be said they’re holding out for a certain type of black man that rarely exists, but I’m implying many would be open to white men if only they reciprocated that openness.

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    I'm uncertain if the female unmarried 'talented tenth' would 'settle' for a lower-than-middle class white beta/omega.

    It makes theoretical sense, and is a left-wing dream, but it doesn't appear that much in reality.
    , @Truth

    Black men are also more willing to lower their standards for a quick lay
     
    Dude I know, what white man would THINK of such a thing?!?!
  76. Typically however, it’s the lower quality (and presumably lower-IQ) White women who marry out.

    To be honest, that isn’t my impression.

    For the record, during the past century, 10-25% of the men to failed to reproduce. Assuming these are the most genetic load-heavy men (a safe-ish assumption), this is probably a good thing for the health of the population.

    Except it’s no longer the same package of psychological characteristics. In the past, men were handicapped in the marriage market if they had a bad reputation, had spent time in prison, acted aggressively, showed poor impulse control, were unwilling to plan for the future, and had already lived with several different women.

    Today, men are handicapped if they are shy, quiet, and lacking in “personality.” That’s a very different package, and excluding them from the gene pool will have very different consequences.

    there is no shortage of attractive, available asian females.

    Depends on where you live (there aren’t many in Quebec City). I guess it doesn’t bother your conscience that Asian men will be left without mates.

    Am I understanding this correctly, the sex ratio at birth (!) is different for American blacks than for whites? I knew that more boys than girls are born but it’s totally news to me that this varies between different population groups…what’s the reason for this?

    Yes, the sex ratio is lowest in people of sub-Saharan African origin and highest in East Asians. In Europeans, there seems to be an east-west cline, with the highest sex ratios being in Hungarians and Ukrainians. Some authors have suggested that a low sex ratio is an adaptive response to a high incidence of polygyny. Since polygyny creates a “wife shortage” it may be advantageous to give birth to daughters who can exploit this shortage.

    Here are a few useful links:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1525/aa.1993.95.2.02a00090/abstract

    http://www.jstor.org/stable/41466854?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    I actually wrote an article on the subject. If I get time, I’ll scan it and post it on Research Gate:

    Frost, P. (2001). Polygyny and sex ratios, Encyclopedia of Birth Control, V.L. Bullough (ed.), Santa Barbara (Cal.): ABC-CLIO, pp. 218-223.

    The median number of opposite-sex partners fell for both men and women, from 2002 to 2007. The median number of opposite-sex partners for the 1970-1979 female cohort is slightly under 4. For the similar-age male cohort, median partner count was approximately ~6.

    You’re citing an older study where the data end in 2008 (as opposed to 2012 in the study I cited). Since the 1970-1979 cohort is still having sex, their lifetime number of partners is still increasing. This might explain the discrepancy between the two studies. I don’t know.

    The main point is that men are more polygamous than women and that this behavior is more variable among men, i.e., some men are very, very polygamous.

    The chlamydia rate for Hispanic-American men is actually lower than the rate for Hispanic-American Women.

    In the 2001-2002 study, the reverse was the case. It may be that sexual behavior changed in the Hispanic community between then and 2012, either through immigration or through internal cultural change. I don’t know.

    Statistically insignificant despite Bruce Caitlyn Jenner

    We don’t have good statistics on the prevalence of transsexual individuals. In the past, it was estimated at 1 in 30,00o males and 1 in 100,000 females, but those figures are for surgery alone. “Pre-op” transsexuals are much more numerous, and some researchers suggest a total figure of 1 in 500 males.

    Churches are among the best match-making sites because people come together for God and worship, get to know one another, fall in love, and get married.

    Most mainstream churches have very few singles in the 20 to 40 category. Evangelical churches do better, but males predominate among singles without children, often by a ratio of two to one. From personal observation, the Russian Orthodox Church is the only church that has a one-to-one ratio among young adults. This is partly because of the higher mortality rate among young Russian men and partly because divorce and single motherhood are more stigmatized.

    I’m not sure I would advise young single men to convert to Orthodox Christianity, especially if they come from a Protestant background. For one thing, there’s the veneration of icons and other objects. For another, a church is not supposed to be a place to meet girls, although it can serve that function. If you join, you have to read the fine print and agree to the whole package.

    A long time ago, I made a commitment to the United Church of Canada. I no longer go but I cannot bring myself to switch to another church. Deep down, I know that almost all of the churches are infected with the same ideology. The Russian Orthodox Church is less infected because it was quarantined on the other side of the iron curtain.

    Nerdy white men marrying black women in mass would lift neighborhoods out of poverty

    You cannot lift a neighborhood out of poverty. To the best of my knowledge, poverty is not inherent to home building materials or the asphalt used for road construction. It’s inherent to human beings, specifically their life history, time orientation, and cognitive skills.

    Could it be that those alternative options are the cause than the result of why fewer white men are marrying white women?

    I presume you’re talking about porn (the other ones postdate the marriage crunch). Porn can “purge the urge” but it does nothing to cure sexual loneliness. I know quite a few single men in their 20s and early 30s and all of them invest a lot of time and money in the quest to find a female partner. Some of them easily spend $5,000 a year.

    I think the whole pedophile sexual grooming epidemic is partly due to many of these men being squeezed out of the British sexual market.

    Most of the clients are married Pakistani men. As for the “lover boys,” they have no trouble getting girls. “Grooming” is seen as a job. This came out in a study of Moroccan lover boys in the Netherlands:

    “The men were sly and cunning and knew how to work selectively. They went for unstable girls with low self-esteem. ‘First you look at the girl. How smart is she? Because there are girls who are dangerous. They might go to the police or do something like that. It is better if they are on the stupid side. Really not much more than a body.’”

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-013-9436-z

    So if Frost wanted to focus on the problem of racial sexual competition he would mention this figure, which in fact he distorts, leaving the reader to think that the majority of the 11-20% is because of interracial mating with blacks. In fact the bulk of that 11% is with “hispanics,” which you have to put in quotation marks because my bet is that the vast majority of those are South American Spaniards and not 4’7 mestizo cholos.

    What you’re saying is largely true but irrelevant to my argument. I was arguing that because of outmarriage more women than men leave the population of young single White Americans, thus exacerbating the marriage crunch for young White American men. It’s irrelevant to my argument whether they marry Hispanic or African American men.

    How much are you willing to bet? I’m willing to bet any sum of money that the vast majority are not South Americans. The majority seem to be Mexican Americans, followed by Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and Dominicans.

    You can see this nonsense in the last paragraphs where he complains about “Don Juans” (as if Italian culture is not even more central to Western history and culture than NW Euro),

    Wasn’t Don Juan Spanish?

    because of this article and because of his general take on things I’d put my money on it, that he watches interracial porn and has fantasies about white male feminization

    No, I don’t watch interracial porn. Until a few years ago, I didn’t even know what it was. As for white male feminization, I’m concerned about what I see happening. We’re creating a hyper-male culture that most normal males, especially whites and East Asians, cannot relate to. It bothers me when even parents begin to internalize this false notion of masculinity.

    Go to Russia. You’ll see young boys who take an interest in figure skating, opera, and ballet (yes, ballet). They have girlfriends and they grow up to be men. Here in North America, that would be inconceivable. You either learn to play “game” or you become an effeminate toy boy. I’m married so none of this directly concerns me, but it will concern when my children enter the marriage market, and the perverse sexual norms that my generation and the previous generation created.

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    Typically however, it’s the lower quality (and presumably lower-IQ) White women who marry out.

    To be honest, that isn’t my impression
     
    I'd bet its much different in Canada than the American south. It's also a bit of a semantics game if you are talking about marriage rather than just baby daddy/single mom pairings. In Canada it's a sign of high openness for the female and the black mate is likely to have arrived for schooling and work. It's a stereotype but the lower class black male/ druggy white female are a common pairing in the south.
    , @Lion of the Judah-sphere
    This data from OkCupid shows that blacks (both male and female) are overwhelmingly penalized in the dating market:

    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

    I'm guessing it's mostly lower quality white women who date outside of their race, with the exception of a few very open-minded SWPL type women.

    As far as the increasing feminization of men, I think Japanese men are way more advanced along those lines than men in North America or Europe. There is a whole culture of "kawaii men" in Japan who wear makeup to make themselves beautiful like women- and they are mostly heterosexual. These men can't or won't fulfill traditional male roles so they turn adopt female fashions. Most of these men aren't autogynephile transsexuals, they just like the attention they get wearing makeup.
    , @J Yan

    We’re creating a hyper-male culture
     
    Yes, but the media reflects this more than it drives this. Even educated young people face an economic reality in which nothing is stable and no strong social institutions exist. They are released into the adult world like salmon spawn into a river: Is it any wonder what kind of mating behavior wins out?
    , @whatever
    ''I’m concerned about what I see happening. We’re creating a hyper-male culture that most normal males, especially whites and East Asians, cannot relate to. It bothers me when even parents begin to internalize this false notion of masculinity.''

    Do you not think that american media and culture is more effeminate now than ever.? As a reaction to that a lot of young male dialogue in movies and in life have these "this isn't gay'' moments, also in other cultures being touchy with your pals in a friendly sort of way is ok, this doesn't seem to be the case in america.

    You can only learn so much as an outsider looking in on a foreign culture so I could be wrong, but it seems that men feel they have to act this way increasingly because of the increased prominence of the feminine ( females and homosexuals).
    , @Truth
    Damn, I'm starting to like P. Frost. That Quebecois just dashed you guys like brown gravy on french fries.
    , @JohnnyWalker123

    Yes, the sex ratio is lowest in people of sub-Saharan African origin and highest in East Asians. In Europeans, there seems to be an east-west cline, with the highest sex ratios being in Hungarians and Ukrainians. Some authors have suggested that a low sex ratio is an adaptive response to a high incidence of polygyny. Since polygyny creates a “wife shortage” it may be advantageous to give birth to daughters who can exploit this shortage.

     

    India has a worse sex ratio than China. Overall, it appears the sex ratios are more skewed among South Asians than East Asians.

    See link: http://www.indexmundi.com/india/sex_ratio.html
    See link: http://www.indexmundi.com/china/sex_ratio.html

    You’re citing an older study where the data end in 2008 (as opposed to 2012 in the study I cited). Since the 1970-1979 cohort is still having sex, their lifetime number of partners is still increasing. This might explain the discrepancy between the two studies. I don’t know.

     

    If you look at the CDC study again, you'll see that males stop accruing significant numbers of sexual partners after the age of 30. After 30, the median number of sexual partners remains fairly constant across age-cohorts.

    So it seems implausible that 1970-1979 cohort could've gone from 6.3 median partners in 2008 to 8.8 partners in 2012. I have a feeling that in the study (cited by you), the authors confused median with mean. Obviously that's not your fault, but I think the authors are in error.

    I checked the GSS data for the 1970-1979 male cohort. I looked at the number of female sexual partners (for males) in the 2006-2008 period and 2012 (for the same cohort). There was an increase in the median from 5.9 partners to 6.5 partners, but the increase is much smaller than the discrepancy between the CDC study and the study you cited.

    In the 2001-2002 study, the reverse was the case. It may be that sexual behavior changed in the Hispanic community between then and 2012, either through immigration or through internal cultural change. I don’t know.

     

    I looked up chlamydia rates (in the US) for each ethnicity, from the time period of 1996-2000. This data is from the CDC and shows chlamydia rates (per 100,000) for males and female of each ethnic group.

    http://postimg.org/image/yt9occaa1/

    As you can see, Hispanic women have a much higher chlamydia rate than Hispanic men. The same is true for Asian/PI women and Asian/PI men. So even back in the 1996-2000 time period, Hispanic women and Asian/PI women were more likely to have chlamydia than men of their respective ethnic groups. While Hispanics might be sexually more conservative than other ethnic groups, the data don't indicate that.

    Do you have any data that demonstrate that men (of any ethnic group) used to have higher STI/STD rates than women in the past? It'd be interesting to see that, as it'd indicate different sexual mores back then.

    Most of the clients are married Pakistani men. As for the “lover boys,” they have no trouble getting girls. “Grooming” is seen as a job. This came out in a study of Moroccan lover boys in the Netherlands:

     

    A lot of the "married" Pakistani men are in loveless/sexless arranged marriages with their cousins from back home, which fuels their sexual frustration. While they may be legally in a union, sexually they're in a drought.

    According to studies, Dutch-Moroccan men and Dutch-Turkish men have equal or higher rates of chlamydia than the native White Dutch, which implies they must have a relatively strong level of sexual success. So you're correct that the Dutch "lover boys" don't have trouble getting girls. However, British South Asian men have very low chlamydia rates (relative to the White British), which implies more difficulty in the mating market.

    I'd also suggest that the Turkish/Moroccan "Lover Boys" have different incentives than the Pakistani groomers. With the Pakistanis, they're sexually satisfying themselves and filling demand in a local "ethnic" market. With the Turkish/Moroccan dudes, they make lots of money by selling these girls into Amsterdam's Red Light District, which attracts "Johns" from all over the world.

    On a slightly related note, it seems that the a significant fraction of the pimped out "Dutch" girls are actually of immigrant/Muslim origin. Which is much different from the UK, in which the pimped girls are overwhelmingly white.


    See link: http://4freedoms.com/group/children/forum/topics/lover-boys-grooming-pimping-activities-in-holland

    The Netherlands is both a destination and transit country for international trafficking in persons (TIP), mostly women and girls for the purpose of sexual exploitation, although some labor trafficking occurs. Trafficking victims are also "recruited" internally by so- called "lover boys," primarily Moroccan or Turkish young men/boys living in the Netherlands, who seduce young, mostly immigrant girls into prostitution...

    The government and NGOs have initiated public information campaigns against young prostitutes and lover boys in the Netherlands..

    The victims of "lover boys" are mostly underage girls and young women of Moroccan and Turkish descent.
     
    , @hell_is_like_newark

    Go to Russia. You’ll see young boys who take an interest in figure skating, opera, and ballet (yes, ballet). They have girlfriends and they grow up to be men. Here in North America, that would be inconceivable. You either learn to play “game” or you become an effeminate toy boy. I’m married so none of this directly concerns me, but it will concern when my children enter the marriage market, and the perverse sexual norms that my generation and the previous generation created.
     
    A lot of this is due to the fact that drama, dance, opera, etc. have become gay dominated here in the USA. As much as the social engineers try, heterosexual men still find (in particular the flamboyant ones) homosexuals perverse, and gross. Tolerance is not the same as acceptance. Hetero men and boys don't want to be associated with such culture and will shun any activity associated with such.

    Now with the SCOTUS making gay marriage the law of the land, I expect the same will happen with weddings. If women thought it was hard to get a man to commit today to marriage with a big wedding, wait until weddings become big 'gay' events. Hetero men will shun weddings as much as they do ballet today.
  77. @Chuck
    We should bring back gladiatorial combat. Although wimpy betas flailing at each other might not be much of a spectacle.

    How about dueling? A case could be made that the invention of the handgun did more for beta males than anything. I’ve often wondered if dueling made society more civilized. In those days no matter how alpha you were, if you pissed off a beta, he could demand satisfaction.

    “Ten Paces” Thursdays at 9 on NBC?

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  78. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “Typically however, it’s the lower quality (and presumably lower-IQ) White women who marry out.”

    “To be honest, that isn’t my impression.”

    I think marrying out for white men is more likely at top and bottom than in the middle.

    Top women want the ‘best men’. They want power. So, they’ll go with any man as long as he’s famous, rich, successful, and/or influential.

    Bottom women will go with impulse, animal instinct, or security.

    Since blacks are stronger and often violent in integrated poor communities, poor white girls will usually see white guys pushed around by black guys. So, white girls go with black men and have their children. Also, rap music makes poor white fantasize about sex with black men.

    And poor white women in SW will often hook up with some Mexican-American because they have low expectations in life. If some guy named Gomez seems nice enough, she’ll go with him.

    I think middle class white women tend to go with middle class white men. They are not overly ambitious and they don’t have to worry so much about tough blacks or live with lots of Mexicans.

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    Since blacks are stronger and often violent in integrated poor communities, poor white girls will usually see white guys pushed around by black guys. So, white girls go with black men and have their children.
     
    Alternatively 300 young male refugees from one of the most ****ed up places in the world are housed in run down hotels in a particular neighborhood forming a kind of fortress base for the start of a tidal wave of gang and sexual violence with most of the victims being girls in the 11-16 age group which the local media, politicians, social workers, police all cover up for PC reasons followed by most of the parents of young children in the area moving away. The girls left behind finding out that the way to stop the sexual assaults is to have a black kid because once they've been "done" they are left alone.

    And then vermin in the media use the result as evidence of integration.
    , @Simon in London
    "poor white girls will usually see white guys pushed around by black guys"

    Might be true in the USA, but in the UK that's not why white girls go with black guys. In the UK the white working class guys generally are not scared of black guys, generally speaking there is not any significant intimidation* factor. The black guys get white girlfriends because they are more charming than the whites - more outgoing, less reserved, quick to flatter. With less body fat they are also more likely to look 'ripped'. And they are a lot less fussy about the appearance of the white girls; often a very good looking black man is happy to have an obese white woman.

    *Inter-racial conflict in the UK is more likely to be south-Asian-Muslim vs black-Christian. If whites participate it is likely to be on the side of the blacks. In my part of London there are Tamil Hindu gangs, Pakistani Muslim gangs, Somali gangs, and 'normal' gangs - normal here is a mix of black-Caribbean and mixed race (white mother black-Caribbean father). You can also get gangs combining mixed race + white (often Irish ancestry), and the Irish Travellers are different again. Some gangs are black-Caribbean + some mixed-race, without white male members, but it's also very common to have gangs with mixed-race as the norm with some full-blooded whites and some full-blooded black-Caribbean members. So there are 2 sorts of gangs:

    1. Racial/ethnic based gangs, eg the Tamil, Pakistani or Somali gangs.
    2. Mixed-race gangs, on a continuum of black-mixed-white.

    Notably, the types only ever seem to fight each other - Tamils only fight rival Tamils, Pakistanis fight rival Pakistanis, #2 types fight rival #2 types. Tamils never ever fight Pakistanis, #2s don't fight Somalis from what I've seen.
  79. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “Churches are among the best match-making sites because people come together for God and worship, get to know one another, fall in love, and get married.”

    “Most mainstream churches have very few singles in the 20 to 40 category. Evangelical churches do better, but males predominate among singles without children, often by a ratio of two to one.”

    I think, at this point, most mainstream churches are homo hangouts.

    I think it depends on ethnicity. I’m not religious but I once visited a Mexican-American Pentecostal church(with an amigo), and it seemed to be matched in ratio of men and women.

    I think what serious men should do is come up with business ideas or social ideas that create shared spaces for mature men and mature women of shared interests.

    We are living in something like a post-religious age.

    It takes creativity, but that is the challenge.

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  80. @duderino
    This is a bit counter intuitive if your not closely familiar with black culture, but obese black women very often have kids and aren't penalized the same way fat white women are. Black men generally appreciate "thickness" to an extent other races don't. Black men are also more willing to lower their standards for a quick lay since investing in fatherhood isn't as much of a cultural standard.

    As you said, Black women who stay single are some of the highest quality ones. It can be said they're holding out for a certain type of black man that rarely exists, but I'm implying many would be open to white men if only they reciprocated that openness.

    I’m uncertain if the female unmarried ‘talented tenth’ would ‘settle’ for a lower-than-middle class white beta/omega.

    It makes theoretical sense, and is a left-wing dream, but it doesn’t appear that much in reality.

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  81. @A_Guy
    Diversity Heretic: You are full of shit. The same criticism of others apply to yourself. You obviously think you are some sort of mega Alpha so think Alphas created civilization. Know you created civilization dumb shit ... BETAS DID.

    I usually try analogies with the ignorant ... so here Diversity AHOLE is a an analogy hopefully even you can understand: An American Football team. There are a only limited number of men who can be true Alphas ... estimated at about 10% of the male population. On an American Football team there is 1 and only 1 quarterback. There are 11 players on Offense so 1 out of 11 is approximately 10%.

    Know who gets the GLORY when a football team wins ? Yeah ahole the quarterback. Know who really makes a football team successful. The other 10 BETAS on offense and the 11 BETAS on defense.

    Apply that society and civilization. Alphas LEAD and actually create pretty much nothing. Usually what they do is STEAL from the efforts of BETAS who create EVERYTHING of VALUE. Most Alphas are pretty much mentally ill with egos off the charts ... as your comments so proudly display. And for your knowledge, not like you'd care. Most BETAs do not "Envy" Alphas ... we actually fucking hate you. That is why there are periodic PURGES of Alphas.

    Which really summarizes the state of our society right now. What we, as the massive base of population, the 90% of men who are being shut out ... we need another French Revolution to take all the Liberal Socialists Progressive Elitist Fucktards out of their Glass Houses and "Off with the heads !!!!" them. That my friends would solve everything wrong with Western Society.

    I think that your comment was really intended for BAPPY. The point of my post was to defend Beta males (and I readily admit it’s a form of self-defense).

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  82. @duderino
    Only thing I'd add to that black women of every physical quality and skin tone often like white men. There's a certain type that find white men "corny" but its more of a personality thing. I've worked with lots of black women, and they flirt frequently and aggressively in ways white women don't. Some were joking, some definitely weren't.
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  83. @Anon
    With tons of black African men with big penises and strong muscles invading Europe and with EU's incessant race-mixing propaganda that fetishize black men as super-studs, things may get much worse for Western and Central European men.

    “With tons of black African men with big penises and strong muscles invading Europe and with EU’s incessant race-mixing propaganda that fetishize black men as super-studs, things may get much worse for Western and Central European men.”

    Won’t they just gradually disappear (along with pure white women), to be replaced with mixed-race people?

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  84. @Peter Frost
    Typically however, it’s the lower quality (and presumably lower-IQ) White women who marry out.

    To be honest, that isn't my impression.

    For the record, during the past century, 10-25% of the men to failed to reproduce. Assuming these are the most genetic load-heavy men (a safe-ish assumption), this is probably a good thing for the health of the population.

    Except it's no longer the same package of psychological characteristics. In the past, men were handicapped in the marriage market if they had a bad reputation, had spent time in prison, acted aggressively, showed poor impulse control, were unwilling to plan for the future, and had already lived with several different women.

    Today, men are handicapped if they are shy, quiet, and lacking in "personality." That's a very different package, and excluding them from the gene pool will have very different consequences.

    there is no shortage of attractive, available asian females.

    Depends on where you live (there aren't many in Quebec City). I guess it doesn't bother your conscience that Asian men will be left without mates.

    Am I understanding this correctly, the sex ratio at birth (!) is different for American blacks than for whites? I knew that more boys than girls are born but it’s totally news to me that this varies between different population groups…what’s the reason for this?

    Yes, the sex ratio is lowest in people of sub-Saharan African origin and highest in East Asians. In Europeans, there seems to be an east-west cline, with the highest sex ratios being in Hungarians and Ukrainians. Some authors have suggested that a low sex ratio is an adaptive response to a high incidence of polygyny. Since polygyny creates a "wife shortage" it may be advantageous to give birth to daughters who can exploit this shortage.

    Here are a few useful links:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1525/aa.1993.95.2.02a00090/abstract

    http://www.jstor.org/stable/41466854?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    I actually wrote an article on the subject. If I get time, I'll scan it and post it on Research Gate:

    Frost, P. (2001). Polygyny and sex ratios, Encyclopedia of Birth Control, V.L. Bullough (ed.), Santa Barbara (Cal.): ABC-CLIO, pp. 218-223.

    The median number of opposite-sex partners fell for both men and women, from 2002 to 2007. The median number of opposite-sex partners for the 1970-1979 female cohort is slightly under 4. For the similar-age male cohort, median partner count was approximately ~6.

    You're citing an older study where the data end in 2008 (as opposed to 2012 in the study I cited). Since the 1970-1979 cohort is still having sex, their lifetime number of partners is still increasing. This might explain the discrepancy between the two studies. I don't know.

    The main point is that men are more polygamous than women and that this behavior is more variable among men, i.e., some men are very, very polygamous.

    The chlamydia rate for Hispanic-American men is actually lower than the rate for Hispanic-American Women.

    In the 2001-2002 study, the reverse was the case. It may be that sexual behavior changed in the Hispanic community between then and 2012, either through immigration or through internal cultural change. I don't know.

    Statistically insignificant despite Bruce Caitlyn Jenner

    We don't have good statistics on the prevalence of transsexual individuals. In the past, it was estimated at 1 in 30,00o males and 1 in 100,000 females, but those figures are for surgery alone. "Pre-op" transsexuals are much more numerous, and some researchers suggest a total figure of 1 in 500 males.

    Churches are among the best match-making sites because people come together for God and worship, get to know one another, fall in love, and get married.

    Most mainstream churches have very few singles in the 20 to 40 category. Evangelical churches do better, but males predominate among singles without children, often by a ratio of two to one. From personal observation, the Russian Orthodox Church is the only church that has a one-to-one ratio among young adults. This is partly because of the higher mortality rate among young Russian men and partly because divorce and single motherhood are more stigmatized.

    I'm not sure I would advise young single men to convert to Orthodox Christianity, especially if they come from a Protestant background. For one thing, there's the veneration of icons and other objects. For another, a church is not supposed to be a place to meet girls, although it can serve that function. If you join, you have to read the fine print and agree to the whole package.

    A long time ago, I made a commitment to the United Church of Canada. I no longer go but I cannot bring myself to switch to another church. Deep down, I know that almost all of the churches are infected with the same ideology. The Russian Orthodox Church is less infected because it was quarantined on the other side of the iron curtain.

    Nerdy white men marrying black women in mass would lift neighborhoods out of poverty

    You cannot lift a neighborhood out of poverty. To the best of my knowledge, poverty is not inherent to home building materials or the asphalt used for road construction. It's inherent to human beings, specifically their life history, time orientation, and cognitive skills.

    Could it be that those alternative options are the cause than the result of why fewer white men are marrying white women?

    I presume you're talking about porn (the other ones postdate the marriage crunch). Porn can "purge the urge" but it does nothing to cure sexual loneliness. I know quite a few single men in their 20s and early 30s and all of them invest a lot of time and money in the quest to find a female partner. Some of them easily spend $5,000 a year.

    I think the whole pedophile sexual grooming epidemic is partly due to many of these men being squeezed out of the British sexual market.

    Most of the clients are married Pakistani men. As for the "lover boys," they have no trouble getting girls. "Grooming" is seen as a job. This came out in a study of Moroccan lover boys in the Netherlands:

    "The men were sly and cunning and knew how to work selectively. They went for unstable girls with low self-esteem. ‘First you look at the girl. How smart is she? Because there are girls who are dangerous. They might go to the police or do something like that. It is better if they are on the stupid side. Really not much more than a body.’"

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-013-9436-z

    So if Frost wanted to focus on the problem of racial sexual competition he would mention this figure, which in fact he distorts, leaving the reader to think that the majority of the 11-20% is because of interracial mating with blacks. In fact the bulk of that 11% is with “hispanics,” which you have to put in quotation marks because my bet is that the vast majority of those are South American Spaniards and not 4’7 mestizo cholos.

    What you're saying is largely true but irrelevant to my argument. I was arguing that because of outmarriage more women than men leave the population of young single White Americans, thus exacerbating the marriage crunch for young White American men. It's irrelevant to my argument whether they marry Hispanic or African American men.

    How much are you willing to bet? I'm willing to bet any sum of money that the vast majority are not South Americans. The majority seem to be Mexican Americans, followed by Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and Dominicans.

    You can see this nonsense in the last paragraphs where he complains about “Don Juans” (as if Italian culture is not even more central to Western history and culture than NW Euro),

    Wasn't Don Juan Spanish?

    because of this article and because of his general take on things I’d put my money on it, that he watches interracial porn and has fantasies about white male feminization

    No, I don't watch interracial porn. Until a few years ago, I didn't even know what it was. As for white male feminization, I'm concerned about what I see happening. We're creating a hyper-male culture that most normal males, especially whites and East Asians, cannot relate to. It bothers me when even parents begin to internalize this false notion of masculinity.

    Go to Russia. You'll see young boys who take an interest in figure skating, opera, and ballet (yes, ballet). They have girlfriends and they grow up to be men. Here in North America, that would be inconceivable. You either learn to play "game" or you become an effeminate toy boy. I'm married so none of this directly concerns me, but it will concern when my children enter the marriage market, and the perverse sexual norms that my generation and the previous generation created.

    Typically however, it’s the lower quality (and presumably lower-IQ) White women who marry out.

    To be honest, that isn’t my impression

    I’d bet its much different in Canada than the American south. It’s also a bit of a semantics game if you are talking about marriage rather than just baby daddy/single mom pairings. In Canada it’s a sign of high openness for the female and the black mate is likely to have arrived for schooling and work. It’s a stereotype but the lower class black male/ druggy white female are a common pairing in the south.

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    @Priss Factor
    "Typically however, it’s the lower quality (and presumably lower-IQ) White women who marry out."

    "To be honest, that isn’t my impression."

    I think marrying out for white men is more likely at top and bottom than in the middle.

    Top women want the 'best men'. They want power. So, they'll go with any man as long as he's famous, rich, successful, and/or influential.

    Bottom women will go with impulse, animal instinct, or security.

    Since blacks are stronger and often violent in integrated poor communities, poor white girls will usually see white guys pushed around by black guys. So, white girls go with black men and have their children. Also, rap music makes poor white fantasize about sex with black men.

    And poor white women in SW will often hook up with some Mexican-American because they have low expectations in life. If some guy named Gomez seems nice enough, she'll go with him.

    I think middle class white women tend to go with middle class white men. They are not overly ambitious and they don't have to worry so much about tough blacks or live with lots of Mexicans.

    Since blacks are stronger and often violent in integrated poor communities, poor white girls will usually see white guys pushed around by black guys. So, white girls go with black men and have their children.

    Alternatively 300 young male refugees from one of the most ****ed up places in the world are housed in run down hotels in a particular neighborhood forming a kind of fortress base for the start of a tidal wave of gang and sexual violence with most of the victims being girls in the 11-16 age group which the local media, politicians, social workers, police all cover up for PC reasons followed by most of the parents of young children in the area moving away. The girls left behind finding out that the way to stop the sexual assaults is to have a black kid because once they’ve been “done” they are left alone.

    And then vermin in the media use the result as evidence of integration.

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    A lot of these issues are on my mind in my present relationship. My girlfriend is white, and she has a cute face, and is intelligent, sweet and funny and doesn’t subscribe to feminist bullshit or other such nonsense. But, although she is not medically overweight I’m not really into her body. She has a big butt and big thighs. She goes to the gym regularly and doesn’t overeat much that I have seen so I think it is just her genetic build. I can only imagine what her lower half will look like when she’s 40, especially after having a few kids. Still the very slim, petite white girls around here have their choice of men even when they aren’t very smart. My girlfriend may be the best I can do but I have trouble seeing myself with such a balloon like ass.

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  87. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Tom_R
    THE SEVERE SHORTAGE OF YOUNG WHITE WOMEN—ANOTHER TRAGEDY OF IMMIGRATION.

    Thanks for the excellent article, Sir. I am glad you raised this issue, because this is a very serious problem, that many good young white men are not able to find a decent young white female.

    In my estimation, and experience, a single white female in the 18-30 age group is chased by at least 5-10 men!

    Yes, I know this for a fact. I have talked to several women and their calendars were full of dates for the next few months, all with different men! The earliest you can get a date with her is 3 months away, and that is assuming she goes out with a different man every weekend!

    I found out that each of these single white women had almost 5-10 men chasing them and wanting to go out with them. This was confirmed when I estimated the numbers.

    Here are my calculations:

    For each 100 white women in this 18-30 age group, there are:

    105 white men in that age group;
    105 white men in the next higher age group (30-40), looking for younger women, albeit married, but nevertheless, out looking for a younger girl;
    105 much older white men in the next higher age group (40-50), looking for younger women, albeit married, but nevertheless, out looking for a younger girl;
    20 black men trying to get a white girl in their age group;
    20 older black men (30-40) in older age group trying to get a young white girl;
    20 much older (40-50) black men in older age group trying to get a young white girl;
    Almost 20 Asians all trying to get a white girl; 40 more in higher age groups;
    Almost 20 Mexicans all trying to get a white girl; 40 more in higher age groups.

    Total: 480 men chasing 100 single white women.

    The root cause of the problem is, like you said, whites stopped having children and IMMIGRATION. Most of the immigrants tend to be men and from 3rd world countries and are here mostly to find white girls. That is the #1 goal of most immigrants—to come to America and find a white girl.

    I do not think game is a good solution. Most of the bars in college were full of men standing against the wall, and staring at every girl who walked in, often accompanied by a man or men. You cannot game if there are no targets even.

    But there is a solution—and that is to ban immigration and deport all illegals.

    Believe me, one of the best ways to convince even liberal men to get up and work towards banning immigration is when you show them the above number and make them realize that immigration is the reason they cannot find a girl.

    “Most of the immigrants tend to be men and from 3rd world countries and are here mostly to find white girls.”

    I certainly agree.

    But who would want a low IQ, third world male? A low IQ female, of course.

    So the question remains … why would any sharp white male want such a bottom feeding female, white or otherwise?

    Would any sharp male really want a Deborah or Shirley or who is pursuing a Jose, Abdul, or Ajamu?

    Be careful who you bed, it could be costly.

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    But who would want a low IQ, third world male? A low IQ female, of course.
     
    And on what basis do you make the assumption that a man who immigrates to the United States from the developing world has a low IQ? I mean, what basis beyond your enormous racism.

    Be careful who you bed, it could be costly.
     
    Yes, lifelong celibacy would seem to be the answer. Why not share your secret?
  88. And the real picture is worse. For one thing, the imbalance is greater among singles without children. This is not a trivial factor, since single mothers are “single” only in the sense of being available for sexual relations. They are still raising offspring from a previous relationship and many are not interested in having more children.

    True. It’s not bad being a single guy with kids, provided you can spend time with them regularly. If favoritism of mothers in the US weren’t so prevalent and the laws that underlie this favoritism so draconian I’d expect a lot more men would be perfectly happy to be single fathers. It’s a pretty nice lifestyle if I do say so myself. Treated me right for a few years.

    As for the game thing, I think men’s looks are under appreciated by a lot of guys promoting game. As income equalizes and women gain superior economic status in youth compared to their male counterparts, being a fit, handsome guy makes a bigger difference than it used to, and it’s always helped for that matter.

    Sure, men are more visual, but the difference isn’t that stark. Women are now free to choose the “sexier” guys, and that leaves out most males. This is really on display in gender-equalist Scandinavia, where good looking men can clean up without trying.

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  89. @Peter Frost
    Typically however, it’s the lower quality (and presumably lower-IQ) White women who marry out.

    To be honest, that isn't my impression.

    For the record, during the past century, 10-25% of the men to failed to reproduce. Assuming these are the most genetic load-heavy men (a safe-ish assumption), this is probably a good thing for the health of the population.

    Except it's no longer the same package of psychological characteristics. In the past, men were handicapped in the marriage market if they had a bad reputation, had spent time in prison, acted aggressively, showed poor impulse control, were unwilling to plan for the future, and had already lived with several different women.

    Today, men are handicapped if they are shy, quiet, and lacking in "personality." That's a very different package, and excluding them from the gene pool will have very different consequences.

    there is no shortage of attractive, available asian females.

    Depends on where you live (there aren't many in Quebec City). I guess it doesn't bother your conscience that Asian men will be left without mates.

    Am I understanding this correctly, the sex ratio at birth (!) is different for American blacks than for whites? I knew that more boys than girls are born but it’s totally news to me that this varies between different population groups…what’s the reason for this?

    Yes, the sex ratio is lowest in people of sub-Saharan African origin and highest in East Asians. In Europeans, there seems to be an east-west cline, with the highest sex ratios being in Hungarians and Ukrainians. Some authors have suggested that a low sex ratio is an adaptive response to a high incidence of polygyny. Since polygyny creates a "wife shortage" it may be advantageous to give birth to daughters who can exploit this shortage.

    Here are a few useful links:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1525/aa.1993.95.2.02a00090/abstract

    http://www.jstor.org/stable/41466854?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    I actually wrote an article on the subject. If I get time, I'll scan it and post it on Research Gate:

    Frost, P. (2001). Polygyny and sex ratios, Encyclopedia of Birth Control, V.L. Bullough (ed.), Santa Barbara (Cal.): ABC-CLIO, pp. 218-223.

    The median number of opposite-sex partners fell for both men and women, from 2002 to 2007. The median number of opposite-sex partners for the 1970-1979 female cohort is slightly under 4. For the similar-age male cohort, median partner count was approximately ~6.

    You're citing an older study where the data end in 2008 (as opposed to 2012 in the study I cited). Since the 1970-1979 cohort is still having sex, their lifetime number of partners is still increasing. This might explain the discrepancy between the two studies. I don't know.

    The main point is that men are more polygamous than women and that this behavior is more variable among men, i.e., some men are very, very polygamous.

    The chlamydia rate for Hispanic-American men is actually lower than the rate for Hispanic-American Women.

    In the 2001-2002 study, the reverse was the case. It may be that sexual behavior changed in the Hispanic community between then and 2012, either through immigration or through internal cultural change. I don't know.

    Statistically insignificant despite Bruce Caitlyn Jenner

    We don't have good statistics on the prevalence of transsexual individuals. In the past, it was estimated at 1 in 30,00o males and 1 in 100,000 females, but those figures are for surgery alone. "Pre-op" transsexuals are much more numerous, and some researchers suggest a total figure of 1 in 500 males.

    Churches are among the best match-making sites because people come together for God and worship, get to know one another, fall in love, and get married.

    Most mainstream churches have very few singles in the 20 to 40 category. Evangelical churches do better, but males predominate among singles without children, often by a ratio of two to one. From personal observation, the Russian Orthodox Church is the only church that has a one-to-one ratio among young adults. This is partly because of the higher mortality rate among young Russian men and partly because divorce and single motherhood are more stigmatized.

    I'm not sure I would advise young single men to convert to Orthodox Christianity, especially if they come from a Protestant background. For one thing, there's the veneration of icons and other objects. For another, a church is not supposed to be a place to meet girls, although it can serve that function. If you join, you have to read the fine print and agree to the whole package.

    A long time ago, I made a commitment to the United Church of Canada. I no longer go but I cannot bring myself to switch to another church. Deep down, I know that almost all of the churches are infected with the same ideology. The Russian Orthodox Church is less infected because it was quarantined on the other side of the iron curtain.

    Nerdy white men marrying black women in mass would lift neighborhoods out of poverty

    You cannot lift a neighborhood out of poverty. To the best of my knowledge, poverty is not inherent to home building materials or the asphalt used for road construction. It's inherent to human beings, specifically their life history, time orientation, and cognitive skills.

    Could it be that those alternative options are the cause than the result of why fewer white men are marrying white women?

    I presume you're talking about porn (the other ones postdate the marriage crunch). Porn can "purge the urge" but it does nothing to cure sexual loneliness. I know quite a few single men in their 20s and early 30s and all of them invest a lot of time and money in the quest to find a female partner. Some of them easily spend $5,000 a year.

    I think the whole pedophile sexual grooming epidemic is partly due to many of these men being squeezed out of the British sexual market.

    Most of the clients are married Pakistani men. As for the "lover boys," they have no trouble getting girls. "Grooming" is seen as a job. This came out in a study of Moroccan lover boys in the Netherlands:

    "The men were sly and cunning and knew how to work selectively. They went for unstable girls with low self-esteem. ‘First you look at the girl. How smart is she? Because there are girls who are dangerous. They might go to the police or do something like that. It is better if they are on the stupid side. Really not much more than a body.’"

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-013-9436-z

    So if Frost wanted to focus on the problem of racial sexual competition he would mention this figure, which in fact he distorts, leaving the reader to think that the majority of the 11-20% is because of interracial mating with blacks. In fact the bulk of that 11% is with “hispanics,” which you have to put in quotation marks because my bet is that the vast majority of those are South American Spaniards and not 4’7 mestizo cholos.

    What you're saying is largely true but irrelevant to my argument. I was arguing that because of outmarriage more women than men leave the population of young single White Americans, thus exacerbating the marriage crunch for young White American men. It's irrelevant to my argument whether they marry Hispanic or African American men.

    How much are you willing to bet? I'm willing to bet any sum of money that the vast majority are not South Americans. The majority seem to be Mexican Americans, followed by Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and Dominicans.

    You can see this nonsense in the last paragraphs where he complains about “Don Juans” (as if Italian culture is not even more central to Western history and culture than NW Euro),

    Wasn't Don Juan Spanish?

    because of this article and because of his general take on things I’d put my money on it, that he watches interracial porn and has fantasies about white male feminization

    No, I don't watch interracial porn. Until a few years ago, I didn't even know what it was. As for white male feminization, I'm concerned about what I see happening. We're creating a hyper-male culture that most normal males, especially whites and East Asians, cannot relate to. It bothers me when even parents begin to internalize this false notion of masculinity.

    Go to Russia. You'll see young boys who take an interest in figure skating, opera, and ballet (yes, ballet). They have girlfriends and they grow up to be men. Here in North America, that would be inconceivable. You either learn to play "game" or you become an effeminate toy boy. I'm married so none of this directly concerns me, but it will concern when my children enter the marriage market, and the perverse sexual norms that my generation and the previous generation created.

    This data from OkCupid shows that blacks (both male and female) are overwhelmingly penalized in the dating market:

    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

    I’m guessing it’s mostly lower quality white women who date outside of their race, with the exception of a few very open-minded SWPL type women.

    As far as the increasing feminization of men, I think Japanese men are way more advanced along those lines than men in North America or Europe. There is a whole culture of “kawaii men” in Japan who wear makeup to make themselves beautiful like women- and they are mostly heterosexual. These men can’t or won’t fulfill traditional male roles so they turn adopt female fashions. Most of these men aren’t autogynephile transsexuals, they just like the attention they get wearing makeup.

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    That chart shows that the most penalized are Indian men.

    This other study shows the same thing.

    http://i.imgur.com/u3l3Wxh.png

    As for Japanese, yes many of the men are effete. However, there are many macho Japanese guys who do MMA or sumo wrestle or act like playboys. If you look at the MMA tournaments and boxing world, there are a lot of Japanese men. Of course one could argue that those macho guys are a subset of a generally feminine population.
    , @Days of Broken Arrows
    Thanks for linking to that Match.com dating/race chart. I'd read about it, but never actually seen it.

    Another much more crude way to assess men's racial preferences when it comes to women is to look at ads for escorts and the like. White women charge more than women of other races -- because they can.
  90. @ priss factory
    unfortunately I have no source. It is my own estimate based in my observations.
    Also I want to add that it is not only, not even majority low class fat and ugly german women who have children with westafrican men. Those are often educated, successful women.

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    That is disgusting. Sick and venal.

    Kraut women have turned into filth.

  91. @duderino
    Controversial thought of the day: Nerdy white men marrying black women in mass would lift neighborhoods out of poverty, and cure the loneliness of both groups.

    And my experience is that the majority of working class black women are very open to that. It's the white guys that are holding out for something more to their taste.

    One disadvantage I haven’t seen people mention is that dating a black woman if you’re white possibly opens you to violence from black men who resent you for stealing their women. It was why my parents told me not to.

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  92. @ Simon in London:
    “Conversely very few women of any race find south-Asian men attractive unless they are so high caste they’re basically white Aryans. But south Asian men may have access to arranged marriages, east-Asian men don’t.”
    I think there is some attraction for darker skinned Indians in the West. The fascination for Indian men is similar to the fascination for (west)african men, it is like a more sophisticated version of the latter. The difference is of course that it is by far not as common. But it exists.
    Western women see in Indians as in Africans more lively persons. Instead of the fascination of the raw sexual attractivity of african men Indian men can count on the fascination for Tantra etc. Instead of the congos there are the Tablas.
    By the way at least in China arranged marriages are still quite common as far as I know. At least parents help a lot with finding a partner and are not shy to make introductions.

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    There's a difference.

    White women who go for Indian guys see them as spiritual and hippie-like (ie tablas, yoga, high-pitched accents, skinny bodies, curry).

    White women who go for black guys seem them as manly and brutish (sports, rap, gangs).

    Black men are hypermasculine, while Indian men are hyperfeminine.

    There's only a tiny a niche out there for hyperfeminine guys, which is why 2nd generation Indian/Pakistani guys in the UK like to (unsuccessfully) emulate the tough Afro-Caribbean men.

    Black sexuality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qm8PH4xAss

    Indian sexuality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO3orj2ExCM
  93. @Wally
    "Most of the immigrants tend to be men and from 3rd world countries and are here mostly to find white girls."

    I certainly agree.

    But who would want a low IQ, third world male? A low IQ female, of course.

    So the question remains ... why would any sharp white male want such a bottom feeding female, white or otherwise?

    Would any sharp male really want a Deborah or Shirley or who is pursuing a Jose, Abdul, or Ajamu?

    Be careful who you bed, it could be costly.

    But who would want a low IQ, third world male? A low IQ female, of course.

    And on what basis do you make the assumption that a man who immigrates to the United States from the developing world has a low IQ? I mean, what basis beyond your enormous racism.

    Be careful who you bed, it could be costly.

    Yes, lifelong celibacy would seem to be the answer. Why not share your secret?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you're new at this. Completely, willfully, blindly ignorant to voluminous studies documenting group average IQ scores, time preferences, and impulse control. But them, why shouldn't you be? This is the New America. Progress!
  94. @Anon
    With tons of black African men with big penises and strong muscles invading Europe and with EU's incessant race-mixing propaganda that fetishize black men as super-studs, things may get much worse for Western and Central European men.

    Depends on if they continue to subsidize bastardy.

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  95. @BAPPY
    I have no opinion on those men other than that they shouldn't rule a society, but should do science and receive the honors of a scientist. They will always be in the minority anyway, so it's a non-point. They are in any case the very rare exception. The common run of beta is the bureaucrat, the shopkeeper, the accountant, the timid man who calculates and lives in fear. Such men have never been attractive to women, and have only become predominant in the West with the rise of universal suffrage and democratic politics/industrial society in the 19th century. This is the ultimate cause of Western decline and no, I don't want a society where such types are the ruling faction or constituency in any way. From this comes feminism and Western decline in all its manifestations. And you see this if you read 19th C conservatives and right wingers who understood the problem back then. Your average French aristo or Prussian junker was not "beta" by any measure. And it is European aristocracy, not the democratic man, that is the builder and founder of Western civilization. The shopkeeper and merchant has value but should be subordinate, just like the serf should be subordinate. A society ruled by the descendants of shopkeepers, clerks, and serfs will be degenerate.

    I would consider Hernan Cortes typical of a Western founder and he was no beta, nor were any of his knights.

    The French aristos, Prussian Junkers, and people like Cortes and his knights lived off a vast substrate of peasants or factory workers and clerks, depending on era. They were never more than 10% of the population or so. If those peasants, factory workers, and clerks acted alpha and started lounging around and trying to use game instead of working hard, we’d basically have…Africa. Germany in particular is beta in the sense that everyone works hard and does as they are told. They took on the whole world and almost won. Beta males produce an alpha society, alpha males produce a beta society. This is a paradox of humanity.

    Also, the West was just another feudal society until science really started getting going.

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    "Beta males produce an alpha society, alpha males produce a beta society."

    You just might have made Whiskey's head explode.
  96. @njguy73
    You can't have a society of just alphas or just betas. I mean, neither is feasible. No one can be alpha without beta followers. The question is, how do we create a society which allows for maximum harmony between people of different types.

    Pretty much. One of the advantages of traditional sexual mores is that by discouraging soft polygyny, it left more women available for the beta males.

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  97. “Most mainstream churches have very few singles in the 20 to 40 category. Evangelical churches do better, but males predominate among singles without children, often by a ratio of two to one.”

    Priss is correct about that.

    I think, at this point, most mainstream churches are homo hangouts.

    “Homo hangouts” may be a bit excessive.

    What I observe is that upscale, mainstream American Protestant churches are usually politically corrected nowadays, which means undertones of anti-hetero-sexism and promotion of Feminism.

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    @Erik Sieven
    One should note that the situation is much worse for Asian men in western countries (for reasons of physical attractiveness) and for asian men in asian countries (for reasons of high expectation regarding financial success)

    “No Sex in the City: What It’s Like to Be Female and Foreign in Japan”

    http://www.vagabondish.com/female-foreign-japan/

    “Cute baristas at Starbucks wouldn’t look at me, business men on bicycles ran over me and college students hurriedly backed away from me with mumbled apologies whenever I tried to strike up a conversation about the weather or ask for directions. They wouldn’t even give me the time of day. Literally.

    “You’ve got to be assertive,” my Japanese girlfriends advised. “Japanese guys are shy so you have to make the first move.” So I smiled invitingly at men in bars and on busses. I asked for help reading restaurant menus and subway signs.

    “Do you have any book / drink reccomendatioins?” was my usual line as I stood near them in bookstores or sat next to them on barstools. But the ‘come hither’ stare or conversation starter doesn’t work if the other person refuses to look at you. If they met my gaze at me at all, it was just to shoot me this panicked look, like I’d just asked them to father my unborn children. My boss had been right. It was hard to be a single, western woman in Japan. But why?

    I turned to the Internet for advice and was surprised to learn that the Dateless Western Woman was a familiar character in the expat world, at least judging from the score of postings on expat forums by lonely, single females.

    But as wide-spread as the problem seemed to be, it was one that many women avoided talking about. Understandably it was a tough subject to discuss without grossly overgeneralizing fifty percent of a country’s population or worse, sounding like a racist or a man-hating, snob.

    The pervading theory though, among expats and Japanese alike, was that Japanese men were in fact attracted to western women but were just too intimidated to do anything about it. Western women in Asia were like the Jennifer Anistons of the expat world. Strong, independent, assertive and outspoken, they were interesting to admire from afar, but no man would ever dream of striking up a conversation with one. Western women were so different, so foreign, they were virtually un-datable.

    Not true for their Y-chromosome-carrying expat buddies though. While the female expats spent Saturday nights alone, crying into their Ramen bowls, their male counterparts drank freely from the dating pool like they owned it. Which in a way, they did.

    If you’ve ever visited Asia, you’ve likely seen the pale, rail-thin, greasy-haired white boy walking hand-in hand with a perfectly made-up, mini-skirt wearing Asian chick. This would never happen anywhere else in the world. Because everywhere else, Barbie ends up with Ken, not his underemployed, socially-awkward, samurai-sword-collecting neighbor, Kevin. But in Asia, dating rules defy all logic or evolutionary law. In Asia, the nerd is king.”

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  99. @Truth

    While I’m all for people procreating within their racial groups, if you’re a white male of even moderate stature and attractiveness there is no shortage of attractive, available asian females.
     
    Are you, or aren't you?

    Don’t make me go get Twink.

    White people don’t equate Asians and Negroes.

    That is the way it is, get over it.

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    So you're all good with Hideki Takaroshi bedding your daughter or your little sister?

    You don't have kids, nevermind, substitute your mom, married or not ,and get back to me.
  100. @Lion of the Judah-sphere
    This data from OkCupid shows that blacks (both male and female) are overwhelmingly penalized in the dating market:

    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

    I'm guessing it's mostly lower quality white women who date outside of their race, with the exception of a few very open-minded SWPL type women.

    As far as the increasing feminization of men, I think Japanese men are way more advanced along those lines than men in North America or Europe. There is a whole culture of "kawaii men" in Japan who wear makeup to make themselves beautiful like women- and they are mostly heterosexual. These men can't or won't fulfill traditional male roles so they turn adopt female fashions. Most of these men aren't autogynephile transsexuals, they just like the attention they get wearing makeup.

    That chart shows that the most penalized are Indian men.

    This other study shows the same thing.

    View post on imgur.com

    As for Japanese, yes many of the men are effete. However, there are many macho Japanese guys who do MMA or sumo wrestle or act like playboys. If you look at the MMA tournaments and boxing world, there are a lot of Japanese men. Of course one could argue that those macho guys are a subset of a generally feminine population.

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    That chart shows that the most penalized are Indian men.

    This other study shows the same thing.
     
    How much of that is due to smell?
    , @anonymous
    I think this has a lot to do with modern women viewing some asian and ME cultures as retrograde.

    Most normal white people just don't want to get mixed up in a muslim or hindu culture… it's just too foreign, and too insular.

    I don't think it means these people are viewed as ugly or unappealing as individuals.
  101. @Peter Frost
    Typically however, it’s the lower quality (and presumably lower-IQ) White women who marry out.

    To be honest, that isn't my impression.

    For the record, during the past century, 10-25% of the men to failed to reproduce. Assuming these are the most genetic load-heavy men (a safe-ish assumption), this is probably a good thing for the health of the population.

    Except it's no longer the same package of psychological characteristics. In the past, men were handicapped in the marriage market if they had a bad reputation, had spent time in prison, acted aggressively, showed poor impulse control, were unwilling to plan for the future, and had already lived with several different women.

    Today, men are handicapped if they are shy, quiet, and lacking in "personality." That's a very different package, and excluding them from the gene pool will have very different consequences.

    there is no shortage of attractive, available asian females.

    Depends on where you live (there aren't many in Quebec City). I guess it doesn't bother your conscience that Asian men will be left without mates.

    Am I understanding this correctly, the sex ratio at birth (!) is different for American blacks than for whites? I knew that more boys than girls are born but it’s totally news to me that this varies between different population groups…what’s the reason for this?

    Yes, the sex ratio is lowest in people of sub-Saharan African origin and highest in East Asians. In Europeans, there seems to be an east-west cline, with the highest sex ratios being in Hungarians and Ukrainians. Some authors have suggested that a low sex ratio is an adaptive response to a high incidence of polygyny. Since polygyny creates a "wife shortage" it may be advantageous to give birth to daughters who can exploit this shortage.

    Here are a few useful links:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1525/aa.1993.95.2.02a00090/abstract

    http://www.jstor.org/stable/41466854?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    I actually wrote an article on the subject. If I get time, I'll scan it and post it on Research Gate:

    Frost, P. (2001). Polygyny and sex ratios, Encyclopedia of Birth Control, V.L. Bullough (ed.), Santa Barbara (Cal.): ABC-CLIO, pp. 218-223.

    The median number of opposite-sex partners fell for both men and women, from 2002 to 2007. The median number of opposite-sex partners for the 1970-1979 female cohort is slightly under 4. For the similar-age male cohort, median partner count was approximately ~6.

    You're citing an older study where the data end in 2008 (as opposed to 2012 in the study I cited). Since the 1970-1979 cohort is still having sex, their lifetime number of partners is still increasing. This might explain the discrepancy between the two studies. I don't know.

    The main point is that men are more polygamous than women and that this behavior is more variable among men, i.e., some men are very, very polygamous.

    The chlamydia rate for Hispanic-American men is actually lower than the rate for Hispanic-American Women.

    In the 2001-2002 study, the reverse was the case. It may be that sexual behavior changed in the Hispanic community between then and 2012, either through immigration or through internal cultural change. I don't know.

    Statistically insignificant despite Bruce Caitlyn Jenner

    We don't have good statistics on the prevalence of transsexual individuals. In the past, it was estimated at 1 in 30,00o males and 1 in 100,000 females, but those figures are for surgery alone. "Pre-op" transsexuals are much more numerous, and some researchers suggest a total figure of 1 in 500 males.

    Churches are among the best match-making sites because people come together for God and worship, get to know one another, fall in love, and get married.

    Most mainstream churches have very few singles in the 20 to 40 category. Evangelical churches do better, but males predominate among singles without children, often by a ratio of two to one. From personal observation, the Russian Orthodox Church is the only church that has a one-to-one ratio among young adults. This is partly because of the higher mortality rate among young Russian men and partly because divorce and single motherhood are more stigmatized.

    I'm not sure I would advise young single men to convert to Orthodox Christianity, especially if they come from a Protestant background. For one thing, there's the veneration of icons and other objects. For another, a church is not supposed to be a place to meet girls, although it can serve that function. If you join, you have to read the fine print and agree to the whole package.

    A long time ago, I made a commitment to the United Church of Canada. I no longer go but I cannot bring myself to switch to another church. Deep down, I know that almost all of the churches are infected with the same ideology. The Russian Orthodox Church is less infected because it was quarantined on the other side of the iron curtain.

    Nerdy white men marrying black women in mass would lift neighborhoods out of poverty

    You cannot lift a neighborhood out of poverty. To the best of my knowledge, poverty is not inherent to home building materials or the asphalt used for road construction. It's inherent to human beings, specifically their life history, time orientation, and cognitive skills.

    Could it be that those alternative options are the cause than the result of why fewer white men are marrying white women?

    I presume you're talking about porn (the other ones postdate the marriage crunch). Porn can "purge the urge" but it does nothing to cure sexual loneliness. I know quite a few single men in their 20s and early 30s and all of them invest a lot of time and money in the quest to find a female partner. Some of them easily spend $5,000 a year.

    I think the whole pedophile sexual grooming epidemic is partly due to many of these men being squeezed out of the British sexual market.

    Most of the clients are married Pakistani men. As for the "lover boys," they have no trouble getting girls. "Grooming" is seen as a job. This came out in a study of Moroccan lover boys in the Netherlands:

    "The men were sly and cunning and knew how to work selectively. They went for unstable girls with low self-esteem. ‘First you look at the girl. How smart is she? Because there are girls who are dangerous. They might go to the police or do something like that. It is better if they are on the stupid side. Really not much more than a body.’"

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-013-9436-z

    So if Frost wanted to focus on the problem of racial sexual competition he would mention this figure, which in fact he distorts, leaving the reader to think that the majority of the 11-20% is because of interracial mating with blacks. In fact the bulk of that 11% is with “hispanics,” which you have to put in quotation marks because my bet is that the vast majority of those are South American Spaniards and not 4’7 mestizo cholos.

    What you're saying is largely true but irrelevant to my argument. I was arguing that because of outmarriage more women than men leave the population of young single White Americans, thus exacerbating the marriage crunch for young White American men. It's irrelevant to my argument whether they marry Hispanic or African American men.

    How much are you willing to bet? I'm willing to bet any sum of money that the vast majority are not South Americans. The majority seem to be Mexican Americans, followed by Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and Dominicans.

    You can see this nonsense in the last paragraphs where he complains about “Don Juans” (as if Italian culture is not even more central to Western history and culture than NW Euro),

    Wasn't Don Juan Spanish?

    because of this article and because of his general take on things I’d put my money on it, that he watches interracial porn and has fantasies about white male feminization

    No, I don't watch interracial porn. Until a few years ago, I didn't even know what it was. As for white male feminization, I'm concerned about what I see happening. We're creating a hyper-male culture that most normal males, especially whites and East Asians, cannot relate to. It bothers me when even parents begin to internalize this false notion of masculinity.

    Go to Russia. You'll see young boys who take an interest in figure skating, opera, and ballet (yes, ballet). They have girlfriends and they grow up to be men. Here in North America, that would be inconceivable. You either learn to play "game" or you become an effeminate toy boy. I'm married so none of this directly concerns me, but it will concern when my children enter the marriage market, and the perverse sexual norms that my generation and the previous generation created.

    We’re creating a hyper-male culture

    Yes, but the media reflects this more than it drives this. Even educated young people face an economic reality in which nothing is stable and no strong social institutions exist. They are released into the adult world like salmon spawn into a river: Is it any wonder what kind of mating behavior wins out?

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  102. @Erik Sieven
    @ Simon in London:
    "Conversely very few women of any race find south-Asian men attractive unless they are so high caste they're basically white Aryans. But south Asian men may have access to arranged marriages, east-Asian men don't."
    I think there is some attraction for darker skinned Indians in the West. The fascination for Indian men is similar to the fascination for (west)african men, it is like a more sophisticated version of the latter. The difference is of course that it is by far not as common. But it exists.
    Western women see in Indians as in Africans more lively persons. Instead of the fascination of the raw sexual attractivity of african men Indian men can count on the fascination for Tantra etc. Instead of the congos there are the Tablas.
    By the way at least in China arranged marriages are still quite common as far as I know. At least parents help a lot with finding a partner and are not shy to make introductions.

    There’s a difference.

    White women who go for Indian guys see them as spiritual and hippie-like (ie tablas, yoga, high-pitched accents, skinny bodies, curry).

    White women who go for black guys seem them as manly and brutish (sports, rap, gangs).

    Black men are hypermasculine, while Indian men are hyperfeminine.

    There’s only a tiny a niche out there for hyperfeminine guys, which is why 2nd generation Indian/Pakistani guys in the UK like to (unsuccessfully) emulate the tough Afro-Caribbean men.

    Black sexuality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qm8PH4xAss

    Indian sexuality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO3orj2ExCM

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  103. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @JohnnyWalker123
    That chart shows that the most penalized are Indian men.

    This other study shows the same thing.

    http://i.imgur.com/u3l3Wxh.png

    As for Japanese, yes many of the men are effete. However, there are many macho Japanese guys who do MMA or sumo wrestle or act like playboys. If you look at the MMA tournaments and boxing world, there are a lot of Japanese men. Of course one could argue that those macho guys are a subset of a generally feminine population.

    That chart shows that the most penalized are Indian men.

    This other study shows the same thing.

    How much of that is due to smell?

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  104. @SFG
    The French aristos, Prussian Junkers, and people like Cortes and his knights lived off a vast substrate of peasants or factory workers and clerks, depending on era. They were never more than 10% of the population or so. If those peasants, factory workers, and clerks acted alpha and started lounging around and trying to use game instead of working hard, we'd basically have...Africa. Germany in particular is beta in the sense that everyone works hard and does as they are told. They took on the whole world and almost won. Beta males produce an alpha society, alpha males produce a beta society. This is a paradox of humanity.

    Also, the West was just another feudal society until science really started getting going.

    “Beta males produce an alpha society, alpha males produce a beta society.”

    You just might have made Whiskey’s head explode.

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  105. Priss Factor [AKA "Priss Factory"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Vito Corleone-ism is the only primer on manhood that males need.

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  106. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @JohnnyWalker123
    That chart shows that the most penalized are Indian men.

    This other study shows the same thing.

    http://i.imgur.com/u3l3Wxh.png

    As for Japanese, yes many of the men are effete. However, there are many macho Japanese guys who do MMA or sumo wrestle or act like playboys. If you look at the MMA tournaments and boxing world, there are a lot of Japanese men. Of course one could argue that those macho guys are a subset of a generally feminine population.

    I think this has a lot to do with modern women viewing some asian and ME cultures as retrograde.

    Most normal white people just don’t want to get mixed up in a muslim or hindu culture… it’s just too foreign, and too insular.

    I don’t think it means these people are viewed as ugly or unappealing as individuals.

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    In the OKCupid dating study, Indian men received the lowest response rate too. Given that women judge an individual dating profile as a whole before giving a response to a man, it'd seem that at least Indians are being viewed as unappealing as individuals. As a group, they do poorly at dating. As individuals, they do poorly at dating.

    Also, white men (see the chart I posted above) had a much more positive inclination to Indian women than white women had towards Indian men, so I think culture is only one aspect as to why Indian men fare poorly - the main reason (in my view) is just a much lower level of male attractiveness.

    Indians/Pakistani men also have the lowest chlamydia postivity rate in the UK, of all ethnic groups. Indian/Pak women have roughly twice the postivity rate of their men, which tends to suggest that Indian/Pak women are engaging in hypergamy with white/black men and that Indian/Pak men are being squeezed out of the British sexual market. That's an observation that Simon (a London-based poster) believes is accurate.

    If you're curious, British Indian/Pak men have a chlamydia positivity rate that's 0.53 standard deviations below that of White British men. In America, East Asian men have a postivity rate about 0.23 standard deviations below that of White American males. So as far as being disadvantaged goes on the mating market, chlamydia rates would tend to suggest that Indian/Paks are getting laid less than East Asian dudes.

    As to the question of who's hot and who's unappealing, this study from New Zealand found that Indian men have a lower lean mass and higher fat mass than Chinese men and European men.

    https://aut.researchgateway.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10292/385/WenJ.pdf?sequence=4&isAllowed=y

    Go to page 63. This study was done on residents of New Zealand (NZ).

    Indians in NZ have much lower lean (Fat Free) mass than Europeans, Chinese, Pacific Islanders, and Maoris in NZ. They also have much a higher body fat percentage. That implies that Indians would be less attractive, since muscle and low fat is an attractive physique (while little muscle and fatness is not). By the standards of what's considered attractive for a man (lean and jacked), Indians do worse than both whites and East Asians. They do worse than blacks and Hispanics too, as both those groups have less fat mass and higher lean mass than Indians.

  107. Priss Factor [AKA "Priss Factory"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Erik Sieven
    @ priss factory
    unfortunately I have no source. It is my own estimate based in my observations.
    Also I want to add that it is not only, not even majority low class fat and ugly german women who have children with westafrican men. Those are often educated, successful women.

    That is disgusting. Sick and venal.

    Kraut women have turned into filth.

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  108. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    But who would want a low IQ, third world male? A low IQ female, of course.
     
    And on what basis do you make the assumption that a man who immigrates to the United States from the developing world has a low IQ? I mean, what basis beyond your enormous racism.

    Be careful who you bed, it could be costly.
     
    Yes, lifelong celibacy would seem to be the answer. Why not share your secret?

    I’m going to go out on a limb and assume you’re new at this. Completely, willfully, blindly ignorant to voluminous studies documenting group average IQ scores, time preferences, and impulse control. But them, why shouldn’t you be? This is the New America. Progress!

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    No, I'm not new at this. Your "voluminous studies" are flawed in a number of ways, but more to the point under discussion here, I am responding to BobbyBeGood's assertion that non-white immigrants have lower IQ scores -- this is demonstrably untrue and, not to put too fine a point on it, the subject of the very essay above.
  109. @Peter Frost
    Typically however, it’s the lower quality (and presumably lower-IQ) White women who marry out.

    To be honest, that isn't my impression.

    For the record, during the past century, 10-25% of the men to failed to reproduce. Assuming these are the most genetic load-heavy men (a safe-ish assumption), this is probably a good thing for the health of the population.

    Except it's no longer the same package of psychological characteristics. In the past, men were handicapped in the marriage market if they had a bad reputation, had spent time in prison, acted aggressively, showed poor impulse control, were unwilling to plan for the future, and had already lived with several different women.

    Today, men are handicapped if they are shy, quiet, and lacking in "personality." That's a very different package, and excluding them from the gene pool will have very different consequences.

    there is no shortage of attractive, available asian females.

    Depends on where you live (there aren't many in Quebec City). I guess it doesn't bother your conscience that Asian men will be left without mates.

    Am I understanding this correctly, the sex ratio at birth (!) is different for American blacks than for whites? I knew that more boys than girls are born but it’s totally news to me that this varies between different population groups…what’s the reason for this?

    Yes, the sex ratio is lowest in people of sub-Saharan African origin and highest in East Asians. In Europeans, there seems to be an east-west cline, with the highest sex ratios being in Hungarians and Ukrainians. Some authors have suggested that a low sex ratio is an adaptive response to a high incidence of polygyny. Since polygyny creates a "wife shortage" it may be advantageous to give birth to daughters who can exploit this shortage.

    Here are a few useful links:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1525/aa.1993.95.2.02a00090/abstract

    http://www.jstor.org/stable/41466854?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    I actually wrote an article on the subject. If I get time, I'll scan it and post it on Research Gate:

    Frost, P. (2001). Polygyny and sex ratios, Encyclopedia of Birth Control, V.L. Bullough (ed.), Santa Barbara (Cal.): ABC-CLIO, pp. 218-223.

    The median number of opposite-sex partners fell for both men and women, from 2002 to 2007. The median number of opposite-sex partners for the 1970-1979 female cohort is slightly under 4. For the similar-age male cohort, median partner count was approximately ~6.

    You're citing an older study where the data end in 2008 (as opposed to 2012 in the study I cited). Since the 1970-1979 cohort is still having sex, their lifetime number of partners is still increasing. This might explain the discrepancy between the two studies. I don't know.

    The main point is that men are more polygamous than women and that this behavior is more variable among men, i.e., some men are very, very polygamous.

    The chlamydia rate for Hispanic-American men is actually lower than the rate for Hispanic-American Women.

    In the 2001-2002 study, the reverse was the case. It may be that sexual behavior changed in the Hispanic community between then and 2012, either through immigration or through internal cultural change. I don't know.

    Statistically insignificant despite Bruce Caitlyn Jenner

    We don't have good statistics on the prevalence of transsexual individuals. In the past, it was estimated at 1 in 30,00o males and 1 in 100,000 females, but those figures are for surgery alone. "Pre-op" transsexuals are much more numerous, and some researchers suggest a total figure of 1 in 500 males.

    Churches are among the best match-making sites because people come together for God and worship, get to know one another, fall in love, and get married.

    Most mainstream churches have very few singles in the 20 to 40 category. Evangelical churches do better, but males predominate among singles without children, often by a ratio of two to one. From personal observation, the Russian Orthodox Church is the only church that has a one-to-one ratio among young adults. This is partly because of the higher mortality rate among young Russian men and partly because divorce and single motherhood are more stigmatized.

    I'm not sure I would advise young single men to convert to Orthodox Christianity, especially if they come from a Protestant background. For one thing, there's the veneration of icons and other objects. For another, a church is not supposed to be a place to meet girls, although it can serve that function. If you join, you have to read the fine print and agree to the whole package.

    A long time ago, I made a commitment to the United Church of Canada. I no longer go but I cannot bring myself to switch to another church. Deep down, I know that almost all of the churches are infected with the same ideology. The Russian Orthodox Church is less infected because it was quarantined on the other side of the iron curtain.

    Nerdy white men marrying black women in mass would lift neighborhoods out of poverty

    You cannot lift a neighborhood out of poverty. To the best of my knowledge, poverty is not inherent to home building materials or the asphalt used for road construction. It's inherent to human beings, specifically their life history, time orientation, and cognitive skills.

    Could it be that those alternative options are the cause than the result of why fewer white men are marrying white women?

    I presume you're talking about porn (the other ones postdate the marriage crunch). Porn can "purge the urge" but it does nothing to cure sexual loneliness. I know quite a few single men in their 20s and early 30s and all of them invest a lot of time and money in the quest to find a female partner. Some of them easily spend $5,000 a year.

    I think the whole pedophile sexual grooming epidemic is partly due to many of these men being squeezed out of the British sexual market.

    Most of the clients are married Pakistani men. As for the "lover boys," they have no trouble getting girls. "Grooming" is seen as a job. This came out in a study of Moroccan lover boys in the Netherlands:

    "The men were sly and cunning and knew how to work selectively. They went for unstable girls with low self-esteem. ‘First you look at the girl. How smart is she? Because there are girls who are dangerous. They might go to the police or do something like that. It is better if they are on the stupid side. Really not much more than a body.’"

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-013-9436-z

    So if Frost wanted to focus on the problem of racial sexual competition he would mention this figure, which in fact he distorts, leaving the reader to think that the majority of the 11-20% is because of interracial mating with blacks. In fact the bulk of that 11% is with “hispanics,” which you have to put in quotation marks because my bet is that the vast majority of those are South American Spaniards and not 4’7 mestizo cholos.

    What you're saying is largely true but irrelevant to my argument. I was arguing that because of outmarriage more women than men leave the population of young single White Americans, thus exacerbating the marriage crunch for young White American men. It's irrelevant to my argument whether they marry Hispanic or African American men.

    How much are you willing to bet? I'm willing to bet any sum of money that the vast majority are not South Americans. The majority seem to be Mexican Americans, followed by Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and Dominicans.

    You can see this nonsense in the last paragraphs where he complains about “Don Juans” (as if Italian culture is not even more central to Western history and culture than NW Euro),

    Wasn't Don Juan Spanish?

    because of this article and because of his general take on things I’d put my money on it, that he watches interracial porn and has fantasies about white male feminization

    No, I don't watch interracial porn. Until a few years ago, I didn't even know what it was. As for white male feminization, I'm concerned about what I see happening. We're creating a hyper-male culture that most normal males, especially whites and East Asians, cannot relate to. It bothers me when even parents begin to internalize this false notion of masculinity.

    Go to Russia. You'll see young boys who take an interest in figure skating, opera, and ballet (yes, ballet). They have girlfriends and they grow up to be men. Here in North America, that would be inconceivable. You either learn to play "game" or you become an effeminate toy boy. I'm married so none of this directly concerns me, but it will concern when my children enter the marriage market, and the perverse sexual norms that my generation and the previous generation created.

    ”I’m concerned about what I see happening. We’re creating a hyper-male culture that most normal males, especially whites and East Asians, cannot relate to. It bothers me when even parents begin to internalize this false notion of masculinity.”

    Do you not think that american media and culture is more effeminate now than ever.? As a reaction to that a lot of young male dialogue in movies and in life have these “this isn’t gay” moments, also in other cultures being touchy with your pals in a friendly sort of way is ok, this doesn’t seem to be the case in america.

    You can only learn so much as an outsider looking in on a foreign culture so I could be wrong, but it seems that men feel they have to act this way increasingly because of the increased prominence of the feminine ( females and homosexuals).

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  110. @fish
    Every time you post.

    If I had to guess though I would posit that you're not the perpetually aggrieved black guy scoring with all the white women but some dowty middle aged cat lady who sees herself as down wit da cawz!

    Every time you post.

    Let me translate for you there, Sport:

    “Why you’ve never said anything about being “unsatisfied with tha sistaz”, Truth, I’m just a marginal dumbass who can’t read and got my ebonics from Fred Williamson movies.”

    See, wasn’t so hard.

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  111. @duderino
    This is a bit counter intuitive if your not closely familiar with black culture, but obese black women very often have kids and aren't penalized the same way fat white women are. Black men generally appreciate "thickness" to an extent other races don't. Black men are also more willing to lower their standards for a quick lay since investing in fatherhood isn't as much of a cultural standard.

    As you said, Black women who stay single are some of the highest quality ones. It can be said they're holding out for a certain type of black man that rarely exists, but I'm implying many would be open to white men if only they reciprocated that openness.

    Black men are also more willing to lower their standards for a quick lay

    Dude I know, what white man would THINK of such a thing?!?!

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  112. @Peter Frost
    Typically however, it’s the lower quality (and presumably lower-IQ) White women who marry out.

    To be honest, that isn't my impression.

    For the record, during the past century, 10-25% of the men to failed to reproduce. Assuming these are the most genetic load-heavy men (a safe-ish assumption), this is probably a good thing for the health of the population.

    Except it's no longer the same package of psychological characteristics. In the past, men were handicapped in the marriage market if they had a bad reputation, had spent time in prison, acted aggressively, showed poor impulse control, were unwilling to plan for the future, and had already lived with several different women.

    Today, men are handicapped if they are shy, quiet, and lacking in "personality." That's a very different package, and excluding them from the gene pool will have very different consequences.

    there is no shortage of attractive, available asian females.

    Depends on where you live (there aren't many in Quebec City). I guess it doesn't bother your conscience that Asian men will be left without mates.

    Am I understanding this correctly, the sex ratio at birth (!) is different for American blacks than for whites? I knew that more boys than girls are born but it’s totally news to me that this varies between different population groups…what’s the reason for this?

    Yes, the sex ratio is lowest in people of sub-Saharan African origin and highest in East Asians. In Europeans, there seems to be an east-west cline, with the highest sex ratios being in Hungarians and Ukrainians. Some authors have suggested that a low sex ratio is an adaptive response to a high incidence of polygyny. Since polygyny creates a "wife shortage" it may be advantageous to give birth to daughters who can exploit this shortage.

    Here are a few useful links:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1525/aa.1993.95.2.02a00090/abstract

    http://www.jstor.org/stable/41466854?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    I actually wrote an article on the subject. If I get time, I'll scan it and post it on Research Gate:

    Frost, P. (2001). Polygyny and sex ratios, Encyclopedia of Birth Control, V.L. Bullough (ed.), Santa Barbara (Cal.): ABC-CLIO, pp. 218-223.

    The median number of opposite-sex partners fell for both men and women, from 2002 to 2007. The median number of opposite-sex partners for the 1970-1979 female cohort is slightly under 4. For the similar-age male cohort, median partner count was approximately ~6.

    You're citing an older study where the data end in 2008 (as opposed to 2012 in the study I cited). Since the 1970-1979 cohort is still having sex, their lifetime number of partners is still increasing. This might explain the discrepancy between the two studies. I don't know.

    The main point is that men are more polygamous than women and that this behavior is more variable among men, i.e., some men are very, very polygamous.

    The chlamydia rate for Hispanic-American men is actually lower than the rate for Hispanic-American Women.

    In the 2001-2002 study, the reverse was the case. It may be that sexual behavior changed in the Hispanic community between then and 2012, either through immigration or through internal cultural change. I don't know.

    Statistically insignificant despite Bruce Caitlyn Jenner

    We don't have good statistics on the prevalence of transsexual individuals. In the past, it was estimated at 1 in 30,00o males and 1 in 100,000 females, but those figures are for surgery alone. "Pre-op" transsexuals are much more numerous, and some researchers suggest a total figure of 1 in 500 males.

    Churches are among the best match-making sites because people come together for God and worship, get to know one another, fall in love, and get married.

    Most mainstream churches have very few singles in the 20 to 40 category. Evangelical churches do better, but males predominate among singles without children, often by a ratio of two to one. From personal observation, the Russian Orthodox Church is the only church that has a one-to-one ratio among young adults. This is partly because of the higher mortality rate among young Russian men and partly because divorce and single motherhood are more stigmatized.

    I'm not sure I would advise young single men to convert to Orthodox Christianity, especially if they come from a Protestant background. For one thing, there's the veneration of icons and other objects. For another, a church is not supposed to be a place to meet girls, although it can serve that function. If you join, you have to read the fine print and agree to the whole package.

    A long time ago, I made a commitment to the United Church of Canada. I no longer go but I cannot bring myself to switch to another church. Deep down, I know that almost all of the churches are infected with the same ideology. The Russian Orthodox Church is less infected because it was quarantined on the other side of the iron curtain.

    Nerdy white men marrying black women in mass would lift neighborhoods out of poverty

    You cannot lift a neighborhood out of poverty. To the best of my knowledge, poverty is not inherent to home building materials or the asphalt used for road construction. It's inherent to human beings, specifically their life history, time orientation, and cognitive skills.

    Could it be that those alternative options are the cause than the result of why fewer white men are marrying white women?

    I presume you're talking about porn (the other ones postdate the marriage crunch). Porn can "purge the urge" but it does nothing to cure sexual loneliness. I know quite a few single men in their 20s and early 30s and all of them invest a lot of time and money in the quest to find a female partner. Some of them easily spend $5,000 a year.

    I think the whole pedophile sexual grooming epidemic is partly due to many of these men being squeezed out of the British sexual market.

    Most of the clients are married Pakistani men. As for the "lover boys," they have no trouble getting girls. "Grooming" is seen as a job. This came out in a study of Moroccan lover boys in the Netherlands:

    "The men were sly and cunning and knew how to work selectively. They went for unstable girls with low self-esteem. ‘First you look at the girl. How smart is she? Because there are girls who are dangerous. They might go to the police or do something like that. It is better if they are on the stupid side. Really not much more than a body.’"

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-013-9436-z

    So if Frost wanted to focus on the problem of racial sexual competition he would mention this figure, which in fact he distorts, leaving the reader to think that the majority of the 11-20% is because of interracial mating with blacks. In fact the bulk of that 11% is with “hispanics,” which you have to put in quotation marks because my bet is that the vast majority of those are South American Spaniards and not 4’7 mestizo cholos.

    What you're saying is largely true but irrelevant to my argument. I was arguing that because of outmarriage more women than men leave the population of young single White Americans, thus exacerbating the marriage crunch for young White American men. It's irrelevant to my argument whether they marry Hispanic or African American men.

    How much are you willing to bet? I'm willing to bet any sum of money that the vast majority are not South Americans. The majority seem to be Mexican Americans, followed by Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and Dominicans.

    You can see this nonsense in the last paragraphs where he complains about “Don Juans” (as if Italian culture is not even more central to Western history and culture than NW Euro),

    Wasn't Don Juan Spanish?

    because of this article and because of his general take on things I’d put my money on it, that he watches interracial porn and has fantasies about white male feminization

    No, I don't watch interracial porn. Until a few years ago, I didn't even know what it was. As for white male feminization, I'm concerned about what I see happening. We're creating a hyper-male culture that most normal males, especially whites and East Asians, cannot relate to. It bothers me when even parents begin to internalize this false notion of masculinity.

    Go to Russia. You'll see young boys who take an interest in figure skating, opera, and ballet (yes, ballet). They have girlfriends and they grow up to be men. Here in North America, that would be inconceivable. You either learn to play "game" or you become an effeminate toy boy. I'm married so none of this directly concerns me, but it will concern when my children enter the marriage market, and the perverse sexual norms that my generation and the previous generation created.

    Damn, I’m starting to like P. Frost. That Quebecois just dashed you guys like brown gravy on french fries.

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  113. @iffen
    Don't make me go get Twink.

    White people don't equate Asians and Negroes.

    That is the way it is, get over it.

    So you’re all good with Hideki Takaroshi bedding your daughter or your little sister?

    You don’t have kids, nevermind, substitute your mom, married or not ,and get back to me.

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    No daughter, but I would definitely be fine with someone called Hideki bedding my little sister if it involved her marrying and have kids with him. Being a typical high IQ (140+) white urban female though it looks as if she won't be reproducing.
    , @iffen
    I don't know if you can't understand or just have fun playing along.
  114. @anonymous
    I think this has a lot to do with modern women viewing some asian and ME cultures as retrograde.

    Most normal white people just don't want to get mixed up in a muslim or hindu culture… it's just too foreign, and too insular.

    I don't think it means these people are viewed as ugly or unappealing as individuals.

    In the OKCupid dating study, Indian men received the lowest response rate too. Given that women judge an individual dating profile as a whole before giving a response to a man, it’d seem that at least Indians are being viewed as unappealing as individuals. As a group, they do poorly at dating. As individuals, they do poorly at dating.

    Also, white men (see the chart I posted above) had a much more positive inclination to Indian women than white women had towards Indian men, so I think culture is only one aspect as to why Indian men fare poorly – the main reason (in my view) is just a much lower level of male attractiveness.

    Indians/Pakistani men also have the lowest chlamydia postivity rate in the UK, of all ethnic groups. Indian/Pak women have roughly twice the postivity rate of their men, which tends to suggest that Indian/Pak women are engaging in hypergamy with white/black men and that Indian/Pak men are being squeezed out of the British sexual market. That’s an observation that Simon (a London-based poster) believes is accurate.

    If you’re curious, British Indian/Pak men have a chlamydia positivity rate that’s 0.53 standard deviations below that of White British men. In America, East Asian men have a postivity rate about 0.23 standard deviations below that of White American males. So as far as being disadvantaged goes on the mating market, chlamydia rates would tend to suggest that Indian/Paks are getting laid less than East Asian dudes.

    As to the question of who’s hot and who’s unappealing, this study from New Zealand found that Indian men have a lower lean mass and higher fat mass than Chinese men and European men.

    https://aut.researchgateway.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10292/385/WenJ.pdf?sequence=4&isAllowed=y

    Go to page 63. This study was done on residents of New Zealand (NZ).

    Indians in NZ have much lower lean (Fat Free) mass than Europeans, Chinese, Pacific Islanders, and Maoris in NZ. They also have much a higher body fat percentage. That implies that Indians would be less attractive, since muscle and low fat is an attractive physique (while little muscle and fatness is not). By the standards of what’s considered attractive for a man (lean and jacked), Indians do worse than both whites and East Asians. They do worse than blacks and Hispanics too, as both those groups have less fat mass and higher lean mass than Indians.

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    "Indian/Pak women are engaging in hypergamy with white/black men and that Indian/Pak men are being squeezed out of the British sexual market. That’s an observation that Simon (a London-based poster) believes is accurate."

    I don't see a lot of south-Asian women going with black men. They do definitely seek out higher-status white men (I get hit on a lot) :) - they basically behave a lot like east-Asian women, though their average SMV (Sexual Market Value) is a bit lower than for NE Asian (Chinese/Korean/Japanese) women, but about the same as Philippinos. They want a moderately sexy guy who is reliable and has high social status. Unlike working class white women, south Asian women don't want a stud who is unemployed/irregularly employed and who will soon leave them for the next conquest, so most black men aren't very suitable.
  115. @Peter Frost
    Typically however, it’s the lower quality (and presumably lower-IQ) White women who marry out.

    To be honest, that isn't my impression.

    For the record, during the past century, 10-25% of the men to failed to reproduce. Assuming these are the most genetic load-heavy men (a safe-ish assumption), this is probably a good thing for the health of the population.

    Except it's no longer the same package of psychological characteristics. In the past, men were handicapped in the marriage market if they had a bad reputation, had spent time in prison, acted aggressively, showed poor impulse control, were unwilling to plan for the future, and had already lived with several different women.

    Today, men are handicapped if they are shy, quiet, and lacking in "personality." That's a very different package, and excluding them from the gene pool will have very different consequences.

    there is no shortage of attractive, available asian females.

    Depends on where you live (there aren't many in Quebec City). I guess it doesn't bother your conscience that Asian men will be left without mates.

    Am I understanding this correctly, the sex ratio at birth (!) is different for American blacks than for whites? I knew that more boys than girls are born but it’s totally news to me that this varies between different population groups…what’s the reason for this?

    Yes, the sex ratio is lowest in people of sub-Saharan African origin and highest in East Asians. In Europeans, there seems to be an east-west cline, with the highest sex ratios being in Hungarians and Ukrainians. Some authors have suggested that a low sex ratio is an adaptive response to a high incidence of polygyny. Since polygyny creates a "wife shortage" it may be advantageous to give birth to daughters who can exploit this shortage.

    Here are a few useful links:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1525/aa.1993.95.2.02a00090/abstract

    http://www.jstor.org/stable/41466854?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    I actually wrote an article on the subject. If I get time, I'll scan it and post it on Research Gate:

    Frost, P. (2001). Polygyny and sex ratios, Encyclopedia of Birth Control, V.L. Bullough (ed.), Santa Barbara (Cal.): ABC-CLIO, pp. 218-223.

    The median number of opposite-sex partners fell for both men and women, from 2002 to 2007. The median number of opposite-sex partners for the 1970-1979 female cohort is slightly under 4. For the similar-age male cohort, median partner count was approximately ~6.

    You're citing an older study where the data end in 2008 (as opposed to 2012 in the study I cited). Since the 1970-1979 cohort is still having sex, their lifetime number of partners is still increasing. This might explain the discrepancy between the two studies. I don't know.

    The main point is that men are more polygamous than women and that this behavior is more variable among men, i.e., some men are very, very polygamous.

    The chlamydia rate for Hispanic-American men is actually lower than the rate for Hispanic-American Women.

    In the 2001-2002 study, the reverse was the case. It may be that sexual behavior changed in the Hispanic community between then and 2012, either through immigration or through internal cultural change. I don't know.

    Statistically insignificant despite Bruce Caitlyn Jenner

    We don't have good statistics on the prevalence of transsexual individuals. In the past, it was estimated at 1 in 30,00o males and 1 in 100,000 females, but those figures are for surgery alone. "Pre-op" transsexuals are much more numerous, and some researchers suggest a total figure of 1 in 500 males.

    Churches are among the best match-making sites because people come together for God and worship, get to know one another, fall in love, and get married.

    Most mainstream churches have very few singles in the 20 to 40 category. Evangelical churches do better, but males predominate among singles without children, often by a ratio of two to one. From personal observation, the Russian Orthodox Church is the only church that has a one-to-one ratio among young adults. This is partly because of the higher mortality rate among young Russian men and partly because divorce and single motherhood are more stigmatized.

    I'm not sure I would advise young single men to convert to Orthodox Christianity, especially if they come from a Protestant background. For one thing, there's the veneration of icons and other objects. For another, a church is not supposed to be a place to meet girls, although it can serve that function. If you join, you have to read the fine print and agree to the whole package.

    A long time ago, I made a commitment to the United Church of Canada. I no longer go but I cannot bring myself to switch to another church. Deep down, I know that almost all of the churches are infected with the same ideology. The Russian Orthodox Church is less infected because it was quarantined on the other side of the iron curtain.

    Nerdy white men marrying black women in mass would lift neighborhoods out of poverty

    You cannot lift a neighborhood out of poverty. To the best of my knowledge, poverty is not inherent to home building materials or the asphalt used for road construction. It's inherent to human beings, specifically their life history, time orientation, and cognitive skills.

    Could it be that those alternative options are the cause than the result of why fewer white men are marrying white women?

    I presume you're talking about porn (the other ones postdate the marriage crunch). Porn can "purge the urge" but it does nothing to cure sexual loneliness. I know quite a few single men in their 20s and early 30s and all of them invest a lot of time and money in the quest to find a female partner. Some of them easily spend $5,000 a year.

    I think the whole pedophile sexual grooming epidemic is partly due to many of these men being squeezed out of the British sexual market.

    Most of the clients are married Pakistani men. As for the "lover boys," they have no trouble getting girls. "Grooming" is seen as a job. This came out in a study of Moroccan lover boys in the Netherlands:

    "The men were sly and cunning and knew how to work selectively. They went for unstable girls with low self-esteem. ‘First you look at the girl. How smart is she? Because there are girls who are dangerous. They might go to the police or do something like that. It is better if they are on the stupid side. Really not much more than a body.’"

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-013-9436-z

    So if Frost wanted to focus on the problem of racial sexual competition he would mention this figure, which in fact he distorts, leaving the reader to think that the majority of the 11-20% is because of interracial mating with blacks. In fact the bulk of that 11% is with “hispanics,” which you have to put in quotation marks because my bet is that the vast majority of those are South American Spaniards and not 4’7 mestizo cholos.

    What you're saying is largely true but irrelevant to my argument. I was arguing that because of outmarriage more women than men leave the population of young single White Americans, thus exacerbating the marriage crunch for young White American men. It's irrelevant to my argument whether they marry Hispanic or African American men.

    How much are you willing to bet? I'm willing to bet any sum of money that the vast majority are not South Americans. The majority seem to be Mexican Americans, followed by Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and Dominicans.

    You can see this nonsense in the last paragraphs where he complains about “Don Juans” (as if Italian culture is not even more central to Western history and culture than NW Euro),

    Wasn't Don Juan Spanish?

    because of this article and because of his general take on things I’d put my money on it, that he watches interracial porn and has fantasies about white male feminization

    No, I don't watch interracial porn. Until a few years ago, I didn't even know what it was. As for white male feminization, I'm concerned about what I see happening. We're creating a hyper-male culture that most normal males, especially whites and East Asians, cannot relate to. It bothers me when even parents begin to internalize this false notion of masculinity.

    Go to Russia. You'll see young boys who take an interest in figure skating, opera, and ballet (yes, ballet). They have girlfriends and they grow up to be men. Here in North America, that would be inconceivable. You either learn to play "game" or you become an effeminate toy boy. I'm married so none of this directly concerns me, but it will concern when my children enter the marriage market, and the perverse sexual norms that my generation and the previous generation created.

    Yes, the sex ratio is lowest in people of sub-Saharan African origin and highest in East Asians. In Europeans, there seems to be an east-west cline, with the highest sex ratios being in Hungarians and Ukrainians. Some authors have suggested that a low sex ratio is an adaptive response to a high incidence of polygyny. Since polygyny creates a “wife shortage” it may be advantageous to give birth to daughters who can exploit this shortage.

    India has a worse sex ratio than China. Overall, it appears the sex ratios are more skewed among South Asians than East Asians.

    See link: http://www.indexmundi.com/india/sex_ratio.html
    See link: http://www.indexmundi.com/china/sex_ratio.html

    You’re citing an older study where the data end in 2008 (as opposed to 2012 in the study I cited). Since the 1970-1979 cohort is still having sex, their lifetime number of partners is still increasing. This might explain the discrepancy between the two studies. I don’t know.

    If you look at the CDC study again, you’ll see that males stop accruing significant numbers of sexual partners after the age of 30. After 30, the median number of sexual partners remains fairly constant across age-cohorts.

    So it seems implausible that 1970-1979 cohort could’ve gone from 6.3 median partners in 2008 to 8.8 partners in 2012. I have a feeling that in the study (cited by you), the authors confused median with mean. Obviously that’s not your fault, but I think the authors are in error.

    I checked the GSS data for the 1970-1979 male cohort. I looked at the number of female sexual partners (for males) in the 2006-2008 period and 2012 (for the same cohort). There was an increase in the median from 5.9 partners to 6.5 partners, but the increase is much smaller than the discrepancy between the CDC study and the study you cited.

    In the 2001-2002 study, the reverse was the case. It may be that sexual behavior changed in the Hispanic community between then and 2012, either through immigration or through internal cultural change. I don’t know.

    I looked up chlamydia rates (in the US) for each ethnicity, from the time period of 1996-2000. This data is from the CDC and shows chlamydia rates (per 100,000) for males and female of each ethnic group.

    http://postimg.org/image/yt9occaa1/

    As you can see, Hispanic women have a much higher chlamydia rate than Hispanic men. The same is true for Asian/PI women and Asian/PI men. So even back in the 1996-2000 time period, Hispanic women and Asian/PI women were more likely to have chlamydia than men of their respective ethnic groups. While Hispanics might be sexually more conservative than other ethnic groups, the data don’t indicate that.

    Do you have any data that demonstrate that men (of any ethnic group) used to have higher STI/STD rates than women in the past? It’d be interesting to see that, as it’d indicate different sexual mores back then.

    Most of the clients are married Pakistani men. As for the “lover boys,” they have no trouble getting girls. “Grooming” is seen as a job. This came out in a study of Moroccan lover boys in the Netherlands:

    A lot of the “married” Pakistani men are in loveless/sexless arranged marriages with their cousins from back home, which fuels their sexual frustration. While they may be legally in a union, sexually they’re in a drought.

    According to studies, Dutch-Moroccan men and Dutch-Turkish men have equal or higher rates of chlamydia than the native White Dutch, which implies they must have a relatively strong level of sexual success. So you’re correct that the Dutch “lover boys” don’t have trouble getting girls. However, British South Asian men have very low chlamydia rates (relative to the White British), which implies more difficulty in the mating market.

    I’d also suggest that the Turkish/Moroccan “Lover Boys” have different incentives than the Pakistani groomers. With the Pakistanis, they’re sexually satisfying themselves and filling demand in a local “ethnic” market. With the Turkish/Moroccan dudes, they make lots of money by selling these girls into Amsterdam’s Red Light District, which attracts “Johns” from all over the world.

    On a slightly related note, it seems that the a significant fraction of the pimped out “Dutch” girls are actually of immigrant/Muslim origin. Which is much different from the UK, in which the pimped girls are overwhelmingly white.

    See link: http://4freedoms.com/group/children/forum/topics/lover-boys-grooming-pimping-activities-in-holland

    The Netherlands is both a destination and transit country for international trafficking in persons (TIP), mostly women and girls for the purpose of sexual exploitation, although some labor trafficking occurs. Trafficking victims are also “recruited” internally by so- called “lover boys,” primarily Moroccan or Turkish young men/boys living in the Netherlands, who seduce young, mostly immigrant girls into prostitution…

    The government and NGOs have initiated public information campaigns against young prostitutes and lover boys in the Netherlands..

    The victims of “lover boys” are mostly underage girls and young women of Moroccan and Turkish descent.

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  116. @Lion of the Judah-sphere
    This data from OkCupid shows that blacks (both male and female) are overwhelmingly penalized in the dating market:

    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

    I'm guessing it's mostly lower quality white women who date outside of their race, with the exception of a few very open-minded SWPL type women.

    As far as the increasing feminization of men, I think Japanese men are way more advanced along those lines than men in North America or Europe. There is a whole culture of "kawaii men" in Japan who wear makeup to make themselves beautiful like women- and they are mostly heterosexual. These men can't or won't fulfill traditional male roles so they turn adopt female fashions. Most of these men aren't autogynephile transsexuals, they just like the attention they get wearing makeup.

    Thanks for linking to that Match.com dating/race chart. I’d read about it, but never actually seen it.

    Another much more crude way to assess men’s racial preferences when it comes to women is to look at ads for escorts and the like. White women charge more than women of other races — because they can.

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  117. @Priss Factor
    "Typically however, it’s the lower quality (and presumably lower-IQ) White women who marry out."

    "To be honest, that isn’t my impression."

    I think marrying out for white men is more likely at top and bottom than in the middle.

    Top women want the 'best men'. They want power. So, they'll go with any man as long as he's famous, rich, successful, and/or influential.

    Bottom women will go with impulse, animal instinct, or security.

    Since blacks are stronger and often violent in integrated poor communities, poor white girls will usually see white guys pushed around by black guys. So, white girls go with black men and have their children. Also, rap music makes poor white fantasize about sex with black men.

    And poor white women in SW will often hook up with some Mexican-American because they have low expectations in life. If some guy named Gomez seems nice enough, she'll go with him.

    I think middle class white women tend to go with middle class white men. They are not overly ambitious and they don't have to worry so much about tough blacks or live with lots of Mexicans.

    “poor white girls will usually see white guys pushed around by black guys”

    Might be true in the USA, but in the UK that’s not why white girls go with black guys. In the UK the white working class guys generally are not scared of black guys, generally speaking there is not any significant intimidation* factor. The black guys get white girlfriends because they are more charming than the whites – more outgoing, less reserved, quick to flatter. With less body fat they are also more likely to look ‘ripped’. And they are a lot less fussy about the appearance of the white girls; often a very good looking black man is happy to have an obese white woman.

    *Inter-racial conflict in the UK is more likely to be south-Asian-Muslim vs black-Christian. If whites participate it is likely to be on the side of the blacks. In my part of London there are Tamil Hindu gangs, Pakistani Muslim gangs, Somali gangs, and ‘normal’ gangs – normal here is a mix of black-Caribbean and mixed race (white mother black-Caribbean father). You can also get gangs combining mixed race + white (often Irish ancestry), and the Irish Travellers are different again. Some gangs are black-Caribbean + some mixed-race, without white male members, but it’s also very common to have gangs with mixed-race as the norm with some full-blooded whites and some full-blooded black-Caribbean members. So there are 2 sorts of gangs:

    1. Racial/ethnic based gangs, eg the Tamil, Pakistani or Somali gangs.
    2. Mixed-race gangs, on a continuum of black-mixed-white.

    Notably, the types only ever seem to fight each other – Tamils only fight rival Tamils, Pakistanis fight rival Pakistanis, #2 types fight rival #2 types. Tamils never ever fight Pakistanis, #2s don’t fight Somalis from what I’ve seen.

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    Notably, the types only ever seem to fight each other – Tamils only fight rival Tamils, Pakistanis fight rival Pakistanis, #2 types fight rival #2 types. Tamils never ever fight Pakistanis, #2s don’t fight Somalis from what I’ve seen.
     
    There are regular pitched battles in Birmingham between Pakistani and Black gangs with hundreds on each side. The media simply doesn't report it.

    It is more complicated in London because the ethnically cleansed working class areas are now ruled by hundreds of different ethnic gangs.
  118. @JohnnyWalker123
    In the OKCupid dating study, Indian men received the lowest response rate too. Given that women judge an individual dating profile as a whole before giving a response to a man, it'd seem that at least Indians are being viewed as unappealing as individuals. As a group, they do poorly at dating. As individuals, they do poorly at dating.

    Also, white men (see the chart I posted above) had a much more positive inclination to Indian women than white women had towards Indian men, so I think culture is only one aspect as to why Indian men fare poorly - the main reason (in my view) is just a much lower level of male attractiveness.

    Indians/Pakistani men also have the lowest chlamydia postivity rate in the UK, of all ethnic groups. Indian/Pak women have roughly twice the postivity rate of their men, which tends to suggest that Indian/Pak women are engaging in hypergamy with white/black men and that Indian/Pak men are being squeezed out of the British sexual market. That's an observation that Simon (a London-based poster) believes is accurate.

    If you're curious, British Indian/Pak men have a chlamydia positivity rate that's 0.53 standard deviations below that of White British men. In America, East Asian men have a postivity rate about 0.23 standard deviations below that of White American males. So as far as being disadvantaged goes on the mating market, chlamydia rates would tend to suggest that Indian/Paks are getting laid less than East Asian dudes.

    As to the question of who's hot and who's unappealing, this study from New Zealand found that Indian men have a lower lean mass and higher fat mass than Chinese men and European men.

    https://aut.researchgateway.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10292/385/WenJ.pdf?sequence=4&isAllowed=y

    Go to page 63. This study was done on residents of New Zealand (NZ).

    Indians in NZ have much lower lean (Fat Free) mass than Europeans, Chinese, Pacific Islanders, and Maoris in NZ. They also have much a higher body fat percentage. That implies that Indians would be less attractive, since muscle and low fat is an attractive physique (while little muscle and fatness is not). By the standards of what's considered attractive for a man (lean and jacked), Indians do worse than both whites and East Asians. They do worse than blacks and Hispanics too, as both those groups have less fat mass and higher lean mass than Indians.

    “Indian/Pak women are engaging in hypergamy with white/black men and that Indian/Pak men are being squeezed out of the British sexual market. That’s an observation that Simon (a London-based poster) believes is accurate.”

    I don’t see a lot of south-Asian women going with black men. They do definitely seek out higher-status white men (I get hit on a lot) :) – they basically behave a lot like east-Asian women, though their average SMV (Sexual Market Value) is a bit lower than for NE Asian (Chinese/Korean/Japanese) women, but about the same as Philippinos. They want a moderately sexy guy who is reliable and has high social status. Unlike working class white women, south Asian women don’t want a stud who is unemployed/irregularly employed and who will soon leave them for the next conquest, so most black men aren’t very suitable.

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    That's a good point.

    One difference between SA and EA women is that SAs may date white men and fetishize them, but they still often marry their own ethnicity. EA women are more likely to marry out.

    As for your observation about being hit on a lot, let me contribute an anecdote. I used to for a company with lots of British expat employees (mostly young men) and
    a lot of them told me that SA women liked to flirt with White British men and even date them, but often only when these girls were away from their communities. Even a lot of the married women would put on a prudish face in front of their community, but act surprisingly sexually aggressive when they were alone with a white British male.

    I recall one guy told me that back when he worked in as a physical therapist, his SA female clients would completely demure and unfriendly when he greeted them in the public waiting area (near the entrance) of the PT clinic. When he got them into his office, they'd let down the shield a lot and he often found it easy to get numbers from them (even the married women). Then as soon as he escorted them back to the waiting area, these women started acting demure again. His conclusion was that SA women were under a lot of community pressure to be "good girls", but beneath the exterior a lot of them were not much different than White British females. While a lot of them were under community/family supervision much of the time, they adopted Western sexual norms when they away from the community.

    Also, my acquaintance mentioned that SA women expected to be financially pampered a lot and wanted any potential lover to drive a nice car. So I think your professional/financial success is definitely a factor in why you get a lot of SA female attention.
  119. @Truth
    So you're all good with Hideki Takaroshi bedding your daughter or your little sister?

    You don't have kids, nevermind, substitute your mom, married or not ,and get back to me.

    No daughter, but I would definitely be fine with someone called Hideki bedding my little sister if it involved her marrying and have kids with him. Being a typical high IQ (140+) white urban female though it looks as if she won’t be reproducing.

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    You would choose Hideki over Truth. Be honest.
  120. @Peter Frost
    Typically however, it’s the lower quality (and presumably lower-IQ) White women who marry out.

    To be honest, that isn't my impression.

    For the record, during the past century, 10-25% of the men to failed to reproduce. Assuming these are the most genetic load-heavy men (a safe-ish assumption), this is probably a good thing for the health of the population.

    Except it's no longer the same package of psychological characteristics. In the past, men were handicapped in the marriage market if they had a bad reputation, had spent time in prison, acted aggressively, showed poor impulse control, were unwilling to plan for the future, and had already lived with several different women.

    Today, men are handicapped if they are shy, quiet, and lacking in "personality." That's a very different package, and excluding them from the gene pool will have very different consequences.

    there is no shortage of attractive, available asian females.

    Depends on where you live (there aren't many in Quebec City). I guess it doesn't bother your conscience that Asian men will be left without mates.

    Am I understanding this correctly, the sex ratio at birth (!) is different for American blacks than for whites? I knew that more boys than girls are born but it’s totally news to me that this varies between different population groups…what’s the reason for this?

    Yes, the sex ratio is lowest in people of sub-Saharan African origin and highest in East Asians. In Europeans, there seems to be an east-west cline, with the highest sex ratios being in Hungarians and Ukrainians. Some authors have suggested that a low sex ratio is an adaptive response to a high incidence of polygyny. Since polygyny creates a "wife shortage" it may be advantageous to give birth to daughters who can exploit this shortage.

    Here are a few useful links:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1525/aa.1993.95.2.02a00090/abstract

    http://www.jstor.org/stable/41466854?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    I actually wrote an article on the subject. If I get time, I'll scan it and post it on Research Gate:

    Frost, P. (2001). Polygyny and sex ratios, Encyclopedia of Birth Control, V.L. Bullough (ed.), Santa Barbara (Cal.): ABC-CLIO, pp. 218-223.

    The median number of opposite-sex partners fell for both men and women, from 2002 to 2007. The median number of opposite-sex partners for the 1970-1979 female cohort is slightly under 4. For the similar-age male cohort, median partner count was approximately ~6.

    You're citing an older study where the data end in 2008 (as opposed to 2012 in the study I cited). Since the 1970-1979 cohort is still having sex, their lifetime number of partners is still increasing. This might explain the discrepancy between the two studies. I don't know.

    The main point is that men are more polygamous than women and that this behavior is more variable among men, i.e., some men are very, very polygamous.

    The chlamydia rate for Hispanic-American men is actually lower than the rate for Hispanic-American Women.

    In the 2001-2002 study, the reverse was the case. It may be that sexual behavior changed in the Hispanic community between then and 2012, either through immigration or through internal cultural change. I don't know.

    Statistically insignificant despite Bruce Caitlyn Jenner

    We don't have good statistics on the prevalence of transsexual individuals. In the past, it was estimated at 1 in 30,00o males and 1 in 100,000 females, but those figures are for surgery alone. "Pre-op" transsexuals are much more numerous, and some researchers suggest a total figure of 1 in 500 males.

    Churches are among the best match-making sites because people come together for God and worship, get to know one another, fall in love, and get married.

    Most mainstream churches have very few singles in the 20 to 40 category. Evangelical churches do better, but males predominate among singles without children, often by a ratio of two to one. From personal observation, the Russian Orthodox Church is the only church that has a one-to-one ratio among young adults. This is partly because of the higher mortality rate among young Russian men and partly because divorce and single motherhood are more stigmatized.

    I'm not sure I would advise young single men to convert to Orthodox Christianity, especially if they come from a Protestant background. For one thing, there's the veneration of icons and other objects. For another, a church is not supposed to be a place to meet girls, although it can serve that function. If you join, you have to read the fine print and agree to the whole package.

    A long time ago, I made a commitment to the United Church of Canada. I no longer go but I cannot bring myself to switch to another church. Deep down, I know that almost all of the churches are infected with the same ideology. The Russian Orthodox Church is less infected because it was quarantined on the other side of the iron curtain.

    Nerdy white men marrying black women in mass would lift neighborhoods out of poverty

    You cannot lift a neighborhood out of poverty. To the best of my knowledge, poverty is not inherent to home building materials or the asphalt used for road construction. It's inherent to human beings, specifically their life history, time orientation, and cognitive skills.

    Could it be that those alternative options are the cause than the result of why fewer white men are marrying white women?

    I presume you're talking about porn (the other ones postdate the marriage crunch). Porn can "purge the urge" but it does nothing to cure sexual loneliness. I know quite a few single men in their 20s and early 30s and all of them invest a lot of time and money in the quest to find a female partner. Some of them easily spend $5,000 a year.

    I think the whole pedophile sexual grooming epidemic is partly due to many of these men being squeezed out of the British sexual market.

    Most of the clients are married Pakistani men. As for the "lover boys," they have no trouble getting girls. "Grooming" is seen as a job. This came out in a study of Moroccan lover boys in the Netherlands:

    "The men were sly and cunning and knew how to work selectively. They went for unstable girls with low self-esteem. ‘First you look at the girl. How smart is she? Because there are girls who are dangerous. They might go to the police or do something like that. It is better if they are on the stupid side. Really not much more than a body.’"

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-013-9436-z

    So if Frost wanted to focus on the problem of racial sexual competition he would mention this figure, which in fact he distorts, leaving the reader to think that the majority of the 11-20% is because of interracial mating with blacks. In fact the bulk of that 11% is with “hispanics,” which you have to put in quotation marks because my bet is that the vast majority of those are South American Spaniards and not 4’7 mestizo cholos.

    What you're saying is largely true but irrelevant to my argument. I was arguing that because of outmarriage more women than men leave the population of young single White Americans, thus exacerbating the marriage crunch for young White American men. It's irrelevant to my argument whether they marry Hispanic or African American men.

    How much are you willing to bet? I'm willing to bet any sum of money that the vast majority are not South Americans. The majority seem to be Mexican Americans, followed by Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and Dominicans.

    You can see this nonsense in the last paragraphs where he complains about “Don Juans” (as if Italian culture is not even more central to Western history and culture than NW Euro),

    Wasn't Don Juan Spanish?

    because of this article and because of his general take on things I’d put my money on it, that he watches interracial porn and has fantasies about white male feminization

    No, I don't watch interracial porn. Until a few years ago, I didn't even know what it was. As for white male feminization, I'm concerned about what I see happening. We're creating a hyper-male culture that most normal males, especially whites and East Asians, cannot relate to. It bothers me when even parents begin to internalize this false notion of masculinity.

    Go to Russia. You'll see young boys who take an interest in figure skating, opera, and ballet (yes, ballet). They have girlfriends and they grow up to be men. Here in North America, that would be inconceivable. You either learn to play "game" or you become an effeminate toy boy. I'm married so none of this directly concerns me, but it will concern when my children enter the marriage market, and the perverse sexual norms that my generation and the previous generation created.

    Go to Russia. You’ll see young boys who take an interest in figure skating, opera, and ballet (yes, ballet). They have girlfriends and they grow up to be men. Here in North America, that would be inconceivable. You either learn to play “game” or you become an effeminate toy boy. I’m married so none of this directly concerns me, but it will concern when my children enter the marriage market, and the perverse sexual norms that my generation and the previous generation created.

    A lot of this is due to the fact that drama, dance, opera, etc. have become gay dominated here in the USA. As much as the social engineers try, heterosexual men still find (in particular the flamboyant ones) homosexuals perverse, and gross. Tolerance is not the same as acceptance. Hetero men and boys don’t want to be associated with such culture and will shun any activity associated with such.

    Now with the SCOTUS making gay marriage the law of the land, I expect the same will happen with weddings. If women thought it was hard to get a man to commit today to marriage with a big wedding, wait until weddings become big ‘gay’ events. Hetero men will shun weddings as much as they do ballet today.

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    [It's not proper behavior to duplicate your very long comments on more than one post. A very short intro plus a link to your other comment is the right approach.]

    "Now with the SCOTUS making gay marriage the law of the land, I expect the same will happen with weddings. If women thought it was hard to get a man to commit today to marriage with a big wedding, wait until weddings become big ‘gay’ events. Hetero men will shun weddings as much as they do ballet today."

    This is why decent folks need to come up with a new cultural definition and practice of marriage.

    I say marriage should be rejected altogether, at least morally and culturally. Its meaning has been desecrated and defiled. I say let 'marriage' mean 'gay marriage'.
    Let the homos have it. If a filthy man puts his hand all over your donut, just let him have it.

    The meaning of marriage now should be: An institution that once used to unite man and woman in matrimony now degraded into celebration of filth by the decadent West dominated by Jews and their main allies, the homos.

    Marriage has been corrupted and defiled. It is worthless.

    For decent folks, it still has legal force, but it should have zero cultural meaning.

    So, what are decent folks to do?

    Come up with a CULTURAL terminology and definition of the true bio-moral union of man and woman.

    Suppose we call this 'Concordia'. Concordia will be culturally and morally defined by decent folks as bio-moral union of a real man and a real woman. (No trannies allowed).) Since it will be unambiguously defined this way, it can never be corrupted by homos and their backers.

    As for the ceremony of Concordia, suppose we name it 'symphonia'. Symphonia can only bless the union of man and woman in Concordia since it will be strictly defined as a rite in the service of Concordia and only Concordia. So, even though bakers are forced to make 'gay wedding cakes', they cannot be forced to make 'gay symphonia cakes' since symphonia will culturally be defined as the bio-moral union of man and woman. Symphonia cakes and services can only serve those involved with symphonia. It's like a Rabbi cannot be forced to preside over a Christian celebration. Rabbi is, by definition, a man who serves Jewish matters. He is under no cultural or spiritual obligation to serve other religions.

    'Gay symphonia' would be like 'Nazi Jew' or 'Communist Objectivist'. Just can't happen.

    Now, Concordia and Symphonia, as cultural institutions, would have no legal binding. But that is the beauty of it. It cannot be messed with the supreme court or whatever since it is a cultural reality and cultural institution and cultural movement.
    And since they'd be specifically defined and designed to serve the union of man and woman, homos and trannies can never undermine it.

    It's like Christmas is a cultural tradition and reality that honors the birth of Jesus. Therefore, Buddhists cannot demand a Buddhist Christmas, demanding that Christmas celebrate Buddha as well as Jesus.

    Jews who didn't care for Christmas made a big thing of Hannukah.

    Blacks who didn't care for Christmas came up with Kwanzaa.

    Decent folks who no longer care for marriage(desecrated and defiled) and wedding(now celebrating fruity garbage) should come up with something like Concordia and Symphonia.

    Since the meaning of 'marriage' and 'wedding' has been defiled by PC, it is time for a cultural revival of the bio-moral union of man and woman.
    As far as we are concerned, 'marriage' now means this garbage called 'gay marriage', and 'wedding' now means the union of two homos who wanna indulge in fecal-hole-penetration.

    A cultural shift to 'Concordia' and 'symphonia' could lead to a whole new movement.

    Decent folks should go through the process of de-marriage and then go through the process of re-commitment through ritual of Symphonia that binds man and woman in Concordia. Lots of money to be made in industries catering to Concordia and symphonia, especially in the South and Christian belt.

    Legally, people would still have to go through marriage process, but it would be strictly legal and nothing else.
    True meaning will come from cultural ritual and practices, and Concordia will be defined in a way that it only applies to decent folks engaged in proper sexual mating.

    A third concept could be 'Fidelia' that honors only those who come into sexual union within the race. Those who choose Fidelia will NOT REJECT members of the same race. Interracism is, after all, rejection of one's own people in favor of another.

    Concordia, Symphonia, and Fidelia. Cultural concepts that could be a boon to decent folks.
  121. @Truth
    So you're all good with Hideki Takaroshi bedding your daughter or your little sister?

    You don't have kids, nevermind, substitute your mom, married or not ,and get back to me.

    I don’t know if you can’t understand or just have fun playing along.

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    Well it's hard to understand when you don't explain anything. It's quite simple, you said that you're "all for people procreating within their racial groups"... as opposed, I guess, the hundreds of millions of detractors of intra-racial relationships, all over the world.

    Then you go on to talk about how much you like Asian girls, the question is simple; do you want a bunch of rich Japs from Tokyo going over to Norway to knock up the diminishing number of Scandies over there, or don't you? Does this make you feel comfortable.

    Not complicated.
  122. @Simon in London
    No daughter, but I would definitely be fine with someone called Hideki bedding my little sister if it involved her marrying and have kids with him. Being a typical high IQ (140+) white urban female though it looks as if she won't be reproducing.

    You would choose Hideki over Truth. Be honest.

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    Yes, I'd expect so. However my sister would probably choose neither; brought up by a strict Protestant mother, she transgresses by choosing white Catholic guys (of any nationality) to hook up with. >:)
  123. @Anonymous
    I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you're new at this. Completely, willfully, blindly ignorant to voluminous studies documenting group average IQ scores, time preferences, and impulse control. But them, why shouldn't you be? This is the New America. Progress!

    No, I’m not new at this. Your “voluminous studies” are flawed in a number of ways, but more to the point under discussion here, I am responding to BobbyBeGood’s assertion that non-white immigrants have lower IQ scores — this is demonstrably untrue and, not to put too fine a point on it, the subject of the very essay above.

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  124. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Simon in London
    "poor white girls will usually see white guys pushed around by black guys"

    Might be true in the USA, but in the UK that's not why white girls go with black guys. In the UK the white working class guys generally are not scared of black guys, generally speaking there is not any significant intimidation* factor. The black guys get white girlfriends because they are more charming than the whites - more outgoing, less reserved, quick to flatter. With less body fat they are also more likely to look 'ripped'. And they are a lot less fussy about the appearance of the white girls; often a very good looking black man is happy to have an obese white woman.

    *Inter-racial conflict in the UK is more likely to be south-Asian-Muslim vs black-Christian. If whites participate it is likely to be on the side of the blacks. In my part of London there are Tamil Hindu gangs, Pakistani Muslim gangs, Somali gangs, and 'normal' gangs - normal here is a mix of black-Caribbean and mixed race (white mother black-Caribbean father). You can also get gangs combining mixed race + white (often Irish ancestry), and the Irish Travellers are different again. Some gangs are black-Caribbean + some mixed-race, without white male members, but it's also very common to have gangs with mixed-race as the norm with some full-blooded whites and some full-blooded black-Caribbean members. So there are 2 sorts of gangs:

    1. Racial/ethnic based gangs, eg the Tamil, Pakistani or Somali gangs.
    2. Mixed-race gangs, on a continuum of black-mixed-white.

    Notably, the types only ever seem to fight each other - Tamils only fight rival Tamils, Pakistanis fight rival Pakistanis, #2 types fight rival #2 types. Tamils never ever fight Pakistanis, #2s don't fight Somalis from what I've seen.

    Notably, the types only ever seem to fight each other – Tamils only fight rival Tamils, Pakistanis fight rival Pakistanis, #2 types fight rival #2 types. Tamils never ever fight Pakistanis, #2s don’t fight Somalis from what I’ve seen.

    There are regular pitched battles in Birmingham between Pakistani and Black gangs with hundreds on each side. The media simply doesn’t report it.

    It is more complicated in London because the ethnically cleansed working class areas are now ruled by hundreds of different ethnic gangs.

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  125. This data from OkCupid shows that blacks (both male and female) are overwhelmingly penalized in the dating market

    Sexual success isn’t just a matter of being attractive. It’s also a matter of being persistent.

    Do you not think that american media and culture is more effeminate now than ever.?

    I see both tendencies among the young male subculture. The dominant tendency is to imitate a hypermasculine and even thuggish look and behavior. This is partly motivated by gay avoidance and partly by a desire to emulate African American men. The other tendency is to gravitate toward the LGBT subculture without necessarily being gay or transsexual. This seems to reflect recent changes within the LGBT community; lesbians in particular are becoming less anti-male and more bisexual and pansexual.

    A lot of young men cannot relate to the new standard of masculinity, which is increasingly thuggish, violent, and anti-intellectual. So where do they go?

    That Quebecois just dashed you guys like brown gravy on french fries.

    You mean they serve poutine in the Middle East? (or wherever you’re now stationed)

    India has a worse sex ratio than China

    Only in the patriarchal societies of northwestern India, and that’s due to female infanticide. The high sex ratio at birth in East Asia seems to be under genetic control.

    Do you have any data that demonstrate that men (of any ethnic group) used to have higher STI/STD rates than women in the past?

    I gave you the Miller et al. study, but you rejected it because it conflicts with the findings of another study. I suspect both studies are correct but concern different subgroups within the “Hispanic” category. As Ron Unz has shown with homicide statistics, there seems to be a big difference between Mexican Americans and Hispanics of Caribbean origin (Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Dominicans).

    A lot of the “married” Pakistani men are in loveless/sexless arranged marriages with their cousins from back home, which fuels their sexual frustration. While they may be legally in a union, sexually they’re in a drought.

    You have an idealized vision of marital bliss in Western marriages. I know an American researcher who concluded that a major cause of infertility is infrequency of sexual intercourse.

    I’m familiar with the literature on arranged marriages, and my impression is that such marriages are just as happy as Western marriages. Happiness in a marriage is largely determined by events after the first two years, particularly whether it produces children and whether the couple have strong supportive relationships with friends and relatives.

    However, British South Asian men have very low chlamydia rates (relative to the White British), which implies more difficulty in the mating market.

    Or it means their sexual partners aren’t promiscuous. A study on young Pakistani men in Bradford found that the “groomers” had Pakistani girlfriends/wives in addition to white girlfriends:

    “One example quoted to me is the men’s involvement in ‘discos, drink, drugs and white women’, while simultaneously putting pressure (to the point of harassment and threatened violence) on Pakistani women to stay at home and behave as ‘good’ Muslim women. Several young Pakistani women commented that the men ‘had to do this, hadn’t they? Because they can’t let us see what they’re really up to, can they?’.”

    Macey, M. (1999). Class, gender and religious influences on changing patterns of Pakistani Muslim male violence in Bradford, Ethnic and Racial Studies, 22, 5, 845-866

    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/014198799329288#.VBOnH-kg_cs

    The victims of “lover boys” are mostly underage girls and young women of Moroccan and Turkish descent.

    That contradicts the study by Van San and Bovenkerk:

    “These policemen knew which girls were the victims of loverboys. They were young white girls who sat at the windows looking glum and obviously did not want to be there.”

    “Their tactics worked best with white Dutch girls. They had a lot more trouble with the daughters of immigrants, ‘because those families have respect for each other.’ In their view, this was not the case with Dutch girls: ‘Dutch girls really are the easiest.”

    “One pimp told us that it was not only easier to get Dutch girls into prostitution, but that they were worth less than other girls and therefore deserved to end up as prostitutes. ‘Culturally and religiously, a Dutch girl is little more than a pig to a loverboy. She’s nothing, she’s of no value. When that’s what you’re thinking, you can completely block out your emotions.’ As mentioned, most loverboys were reluctant to manipulate the daughters of immigrants into prostitution, especially when it came to girls leading a pious life. ‘We are obligated to treat Moroccan girls as we would treat our own sisters; we can’t treat them as rags. You can’t just make a Moroccan girl work for you. (…) Listen, when a Moroccan girl wants to do it, that’s different. But if she goes to school and wears a headscarf, it’s just not right’.”

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-013-9436-z

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    "This data from OkCupid shows that blacks (both male and female) are overwhelmingly penalized in the dating market."

    There's no reason this should be the case. There are plenty of black women available for black men.

    But black men don't want black women. That is their fault.

    Black men want OTHER women. They see their own women as foul and wretched.

    Black male 'racism' against black females is the real problem in the black community.
    , @Truth

    You mean they serve poutine in the Middle East? (or wherever you’re now stationed)
     
    No, but I've have a sister in Vermont, and I've been to Montreal many times, it always struck me as odd that such a gastronomically vibrant region would have such a bland food item as it's totem. I guess there must be a story there.
  126. “An idea may be gleaned from statistics on children born to White American women, specifically the proportion fathered by a non-White partner. For the U.S. as a whole the proportion in 2013 was between 11% and 20% “

    I suspect that this is one of those cases where Hispanic men get counted as non-white. (As opposed to when Hispanics commit crimes, in which case they are counted as “white” for official purposes)

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  127. I n a long review of a book called Girls Gone Mild, we find this passage from F. Roger Devlin:

    Consider, firstly, this passage from Shalit’s first book: “many etiquette books, in both England and America, stressed a woman’s prerogative to greet a man on the street first, particularly if he was not a close friend. If she chose to greet him, he was obligated to respond in kind, but if she passed him by, there was absolutely nothing he could do about it” (RM, p. 56).
    I do not mean to take issue with this rule of etiquette, which may well have a sensible rationale. My point is simply that its one-sidedness does not seem problematic or in need of explanation to Shalit. A man might at least ask whether there is some larger context which explains why, in this particular case, all rights should be with the woman and none with the man.

    Mr. Devlin is concerned to harp about women being uppity instead of noting that this simple etiquette is what the whole thing comes down to. He does not understand. When men are allowed to court women unbidden in public, women expect them to do so. But of course only the few with the most self-possessed instincts do so, or do so well, and suddenly the modest men look shy, awkward, weak, and people tend to come to reflect how others receive them, when really they are just masculine in the way that doesn’t know how to be extrovertedly playful off-the-cuff with girly females. Maybe Devlin didn’t know that because he is too used to the PUA Community’s bread and butter—sophisticated approaches and tried-and-true pickup lines. He really gave himself away right there, making a trifling point out of something paramount.

    To reiterate, Etiquette is a very important word that Devlin just runs over in his long essay on Peacocks and Snakes and Utopias, and for a fellow who is literally the only one among the self-styled Dark Enlightenment who can write with lucidity for long stretches with a level head, the act in which he ran over the particular word “etiquette” was really when the mask fell off, forcing any half-critical appraisal to judge him a fellow with something rotting in his spleen. The etiquette allotted the prerogative to the female to greet the male when they were out in public and accidentally passed each other—Devlin’s displeasure was this: that the woman he is writing about, rather in the manner of a man following someone actually, did not halt and think what the prerogative is doing with her, and not him, or the stock man in the street, who Devin does not actually stipulate to be as offended by said unquestioned etiquette that so speaks such volume to him about feminine nature; Devlin is darn close to screaming snake for such blithe disregard of self-examination, as though there’s an etiquette he’s trying to get at, but he is actually able to move on, in that erudite writing style of typing with clenched teeth, returning to long stretches of level-headed reiteration, punctuated more or less, occasionally, by that sort of near unhinging, maybe saved only by the need to stretch. That word etiquette really ought to be the most important word in F. Roger Devlin’s life, if he is the true believer he claims to be, yet to extract something so perfectly petty simply disappoints me. Common etiquette between the sexes today in this nation does not exist as far as I know, and that particular etiquette Devlin regards like he’s picking a scab would be the most welcome, for from what I can tell, his pick-up artists disciples are more than anything else trained how to approach women in public and give them a good greeting. How much better would be there lives if they were not allowed to do that? The mind boggles. But the really revealing aspect of this is that etiquette, formal or ad hoc, will always and only by the male be established and imposed. Because women do follow the lead of men, but certainly not the lead of men who write about women most interestedly in terms of animals repeatedly throughout an utterly redundant and over-read essay that should go to hell. The man is the style, enslaved to resentments insidiously, led by his psyche and self-deceiving of some principle over the white birthrate his tactic is to deliberately do his part not to statistically improve. Kudos to Peter Frost for affording me the opportunity to vent that smack.

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    Pat Casey says:
    To reiterate, Etiquette is a very important word that Devlin just runs over in his long essay on Peacocks and Snakes and Utopias..

    Whatever the importance of etiquette he discusses it will make little difference in substantially addressing the problems Peter speaks about. It might help smooth the way for a few dates but then what? How does it solve the abortion problem contributing to white demographic decline? How does it solve the fact that women are doing better in education these days than men, or in some cases the workplace, or that the recession has been harder on men than on women?

    How does it begin to address the fact that the traditional male provider role has been weakened, or growing "alternative lifestyles" finding acceptance among young white men like homosexuality or transgenderism? All the etiquette in the world does not begin to get a handle on these trends. Guys who are making low end salaries are not favored by women looking to "marry up" even more so when women may be making equal or better money, with better education. More etiquette isn't gonna change that. Better etiquette perhaps may perhaps be useful in getting a guy laid, but the negative long term demographic trends above will continue.
  128. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Peter Frost
    This data from OkCupid shows that blacks (both male and female) are overwhelmingly penalized in the dating market

    Sexual success isn't just a matter of being attractive. It's also a matter of being persistent.

    Do you not think that american media and culture is more effeminate now than ever.?

    I see both tendencies among the young male subculture. The dominant tendency is to imitate a hypermasculine and even thuggish look and behavior. This is partly motivated by gay avoidance and partly by a desire to emulate African American men. The other tendency is to gravitate toward the LGBT subculture without necessarily being gay or transsexual. This seems to reflect recent changes within the LGBT community; lesbians in particular are becoming less anti-male and more bisexual and pansexual.

    A lot of young men cannot relate to the new standard of masculinity, which is increasingly thuggish, violent, and anti-intellectual. So where do they go?

    That Quebecois just dashed you guys like brown gravy on french fries.

    You mean they serve poutine in the Middle East? (or wherever you're now stationed)

    India has a worse sex ratio than China

    Only in the patriarchal societies of northwestern India, and that's due to female infanticide. The high sex ratio at birth in East Asia seems to be under genetic control.

    Do you have any data that demonstrate that men (of any ethnic group) used to have higher STI/STD rates than women in the past?

    I gave you the Miller et al. study, but you rejected it because it conflicts with the findings of another study. I suspect both studies are correct but concern different subgroups within the "Hispanic" category. As Ron Unz has shown with homicide statistics, there seems to be a big difference between Mexican Americans and Hispanics of Caribbean origin (Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Dominicans).

    A lot of the “married” Pakistani men are in loveless/sexless arranged marriages with their cousins from back home, which fuels their sexual frustration. While they may be legally in a union, sexually they’re in a drought.

    You have an idealized vision of marital bliss in Western marriages. I know an American researcher who concluded that a major cause of infertility is infrequency of sexual intercourse.

    I'm familiar with the literature on arranged marriages, and my impression is that such marriages are just as happy as Western marriages. Happiness in a marriage is largely determined by events after the first two years, particularly whether it produces children and whether the couple have strong supportive relationships with friends and relatives.

    However, British South Asian men have very low chlamydia rates (relative to the White British), which implies more difficulty in the mating market.

    Or it means their sexual partners aren't promiscuous. A study on young Pakistani men in Bradford found that the "groomers" had Pakistani girlfriends/wives in addition to white girlfriends:

    "One example quoted to me is the men’s involvement in ‘discos, drink, drugs and white women’, while simultaneously putting pressure (to the point of harassment and threatened violence) on Pakistani women to stay at home and behave as ‘good’ Muslim women. Several young Pakistani women commented that the men ‘had to do this, hadn’t they? Because they can’t let us see what they’re really up to, can they?’."

    Macey, M. (1999). Class, gender and religious influences on changing patterns of Pakistani Muslim male violence in Bradford, Ethnic and Racial Studies, 22, 5, 845-866
    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/014198799329288#.VBOnH-kg_cs

    The victims of “lover boys” are mostly underage girls and young women of Moroccan and Turkish descent.

    That contradicts the study by Van San and Bovenkerk:

    "These policemen knew which girls were the victims of loverboys. They were young white girls who sat at the windows looking glum and obviously did not want to be there."

    "Their tactics worked best with white Dutch girls. They had a lot more trouble with the daughters of immigrants, ‘because those families have respect for each other.’ In their view, this was not the case with Dutch girls: ‘Dutch girls really are the easiest."

    "One pimp told us that it was not only easier to get Dutch girls into prostitution, but that they were worth less than other girls and therefore deserved to end up as prostitutes. ‘Culturally and religiously, a Dutch girl is little more than a pig to a loverboy. She’s nothing, she’s of no value. When that’s what you’re thinking, you can completely block out your emotions.’ As mentioned, most loverboys were reluctant to manipulate the daughters of immigrants into prostitution, especially when it came to girls leading a pious life. ‘We are obligated to treat Moroccan girls as we would treat our own sisters; we can’t treat them as rags. You can’t just make a Moroccan girl work for you. (…) Listen, when a Moroccan girl wants to do it, that’s different. But if she goes to school and wears a headscarf, it’s just not right’."

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-013-9436-z

    “This data from OkCupid shows that blacks (both male and female) are overwhelmingly penalized in the dating market.”

    There’s no reason this should be the case. There are plenty of black women available for black men.

    But black men don’t want black women. That is their fault.

    Black men want OTHER women. They see their own women as foul and wretched.

    Black male ‘racism’ against black females is the real problem in the black community.

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  129. @iffen
    I don't know if you can't understand or just have fun playing along.

    Well it’s hard to understand when you don’t explain anything. It’s quite simple, you said that you’re “all for people procreating within their racial groups”… as opposed, I guess, the hundreds of millions of detractors of intra-racial relationships, all over the world.

    Then you go on to talk about how much you like Asian girls, the question is simple; do you want a bunch of rich Japs from Tokyo going over to Norway to knock up the diminishing number of Scandies over there, or don’t you? Does this make you feel comfortable.

    Not complicated.

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  130. @Peter Frost
    This data from OkCupid shows that blacks (both male and female) are overwhelmingly penalized in the dating market

    Sexual success isn't just a matter of being attractive. It's also a matter of being persistent.

    Do you not think that american media and culture is more effeminate now than ever.?

    I see both tendencies among the young male subculture. The dominant tendency is to imitate a hypermasculine and even thuggish look and behavior. This is partly motivated by gay avoidance and partly by a desire to emulate African American men. The other tendency is to gravitate toward the LGBT subculture without necessarily being gay or transsexual. This seems to reflect recent changes within the LGBT community; lesbians in particular are becoming less anti-male and more bisexual and pansexual.

    A lot of young men cannot relate to the new standard of masculinity, which is increasingly thuggish, violent, and anti-intellectual. So where do they go?

    That Quebecois just dashed you guys like brown gravy on french fries.

    You mean they serve poutine in the Middle East? (or wherever you're now stationed)

    India has a worse sex ratio than China

    Only in the patriarchal societies of northwestern India, and that's due to female infanticide. The high sex ratio at birth in East Asia seems to be under genetic control.

    Do you have any data that demonstrate that men (of any ethnic group) used to have higher STI/STD rates than women in the past?

    I gave you the Miller et al. study, but you rejected it because it conflicts with the findings of another study. I suspect both studies are correct but concern different subgroups within the "Hispanic" category. As Ron Unz has shown with homicide statistics, there seems to be a big difference between Mexican Americans and Hispanics of Caribbean origin (Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Dominicans).

    A lot of the “married” Pakistani men are in loveless/sexless arranged marriages with their cousins from back home, which fuels their sexual frustration. While they may be legally in a union, sexually they’re in a drought.

    You have an idealized vision of marital bliss in Western marriages. I know an American researcher who concluded that a major cause of infertility is infrequency of sexual intercourse.

    I'm familiar with the literature on arranged marriages, and my impression is that such marriages are just as happy as Western marriages. Happiness in a marriage is largely determined by events after the first two years, particularly whether it produces children and whether the couple have strong supportive relationships with friends and relatives.

    However, British South Asian men have very low chlamydia rates (relative to the White British), which implies more difficulty in the mating market.

    Or it means their sexual partners aren't promiscuous. A study on young Pakistani men in Bradford found that the "groomers" had Pakistani girlfriends/wives in addition to white girlfriends:

    "One example quoted to me is the men’s involvement in ‘discos, drink, drugs and white women’, while simultaneously putting pressure (to the point of harassment and threatened violence) on Pakistani women to stay at home and behave as ‘good’ Muslim women. Several young Pakistani women commented that the men ‘had to do this, hadn’t they? Because they can’t let us see what they’re really up to, can they?’."

    Macey, M. (1999). Class, gender and religious influences on changing patterns of Pakistani Muslim male violence in Bradford, Ethnic and Racial Studies, 22, 5, 845-866
    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/014198799329288#.VBOnH-kg_cs

    The victims of “lover boys” are mostly underage girls and young women of Moroccan and Turkish descent.

    That contradicts the study by Van San and Bovenkerk:

    "These policemen knew which girls were the victims of loverboys. They were young white girls who sat at the windows looking glum and obviously did not want to be there."

    "Their tactics worked best with white Dutch girls. They had a lot more trouble with the daughters of immigrants, ‘because those families have respect for each other.’ In their view, this was not the case with Dutch girls: ‘Dutch girls really are the easiest."

    "One pimp told us that it was not only easier to get Dutch girls into prostitution, but that they were worth less than other girls and therefore deserved to end up as prostitutes. ‘Culturally and religiously, a Dutch girl is little more than a pig to a loverboy. She’s nothing, she’s of no value. When that’s what you’re thinking, you can completely block out your emotions.’ As mentioned, most loverboys were reluctant to manipulate the daughters of immigrants into prostitution, especially when it came to girls leading a pious life. ‘We are obligated to treat Moroccan girls as we would treat our own sisters; we can’t treat them as rags. You can’t just make a Moroccan girl work for you. (…) Listen, when a Moroccan girl wants to do it, that’s different. But if she goes to school and wears a headscarf, it’s just not right’."

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-013-9436-z

    You mean they serve poutine in the Middle East? (or wherever you’re now stationed)

    No, but I’ve have a sister in Vermont, and I’ve been to Montreal many times, it always struck me as odd that such a gastronomically vibrant region would have such a bland food item as it’s totem. I guess there must be a story there.

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  131. @Cpluskx
    I may be wrong but I think this imbalance is mainly a result of women having equal rights with men (not a bad thing) and becoming economically self-sufficient. I think with the resources and higher SES they have now they go for the highest SES guys and prefer to stay single rather than marrying down / marrying an average guy, especially the women with highest SES. I guess situation is similar in entire West and in a lot of other places. Some research says there is dysgenic fertility in US (as a result of this) while Jayman says it's ok.

    Obviously if there is dysgenic fertility because of this new social arrangement West will fall just like Middle East with the avg iq going down but since genetic engineering and AI revolution is coming fast things will probably be alright. (of course low SES men will have to suffer for some time)

    Aren’t they supposed to marry down just like men do?

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    I’m sorry this s!#t is not so hard. If you want to find a mate you will have to put some work into yourself in one form or another. As a male you cannot just throw a shingle up and say “Hay! I’m open for business.” The female investment in reproduction is far higher than males; this is just a fact of life. You will have to put time into self-confidence, appearance, and financial stability. This may offend some people but it is true! Women want a prince not a toad. So do yourself a favor and don’t be a toad!

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    What about giving them a knuckle sandwich instead?
  133. Peter says:
    It sucks being young, male, and single. Don’t think so? Go to the Interactive Singles Map of the United States and see how it looks for the 20 to 39 age group. Almost everywhere single men outnumber single women

    The pattern is correct, but that doesn’t mean it sucks being a single man. Opportunities for unfettered sex are at an all time high, and marriage is still a strong alternative. For one thing the pattern says nothing about males who by CHOICE remain single, or who have sown their wild oats and rather than marry, keep their single status while moving into the “baby daddy” category. And white men in that category still are sleeping around with several white women, who these days are more willing to give it up, without the “putting a ring on it.” Another factor is that there are a larger number of white “baby mamas” floating around, and this too may be deterring today’s young white dudes. Why get hooked into supporting someone else’s kids when you can “hit” all you want without any long term complications?

    .
    It’s hard to avoid concluding that a lot of young white men are shut out of the marriage market … or any kind of heterosexual relationship.

    There is some truth to this, but it is questionable whether they are shut out due to demogaphics to any significant extent. The flip side is that many of today’s young white men are CHOOSING NOT to get married. They have taken themselves out of the market and long term relationship sweepstakes, and it is very easy to do so these days. White societal pressure to marry has lessened considerably, and many white somen are increasingly sexually active, making sex as a reason for marriage increasingly irrelevant. The strength of abortion and feminism among white women also makes marriage increasingly irrelevant. Many white women are making excellent salaries, or if on the lower end, have also benefited from a recession that has been a lot easier on women than on men. Men aren’t needed so much as providers and white pregnancies can always be aborted, and are being aborted, as a matter of convenience. Who needs marriage anymore as in the past?

    Growing movements among whites to devalue traditional marriage- such as in “gay” marriage, have also undermined the institution, and growing numbers of homosexual men, helped along by increasing societal acceptance, also take many young white men out of the sweepsstakes. When all these factors are considered- young white men haven’t so much been shut out of the market as “OPTED OUT.”

    We have a mate market where 20 to 50 year old men are competing for 20 to 40 year old women.

    True enough but it is unclear whether they are having much overall success. On most dating sites, most women in the fertility bands still able to have children insist on men not more than 5 to 7 years older. Women aren’t beating down the doors for older men. Even women in their 40s are chasing men not more than 6-7-8 years old. There are exceptions, but this is the general pattern. See Christian Rudder’s studies at OK Cupid dating site. Furthermore when the sex ratio becomes more balanced at the later ages post 40, these older gals are also competing, and can see some success due to the age demands noted above. A 50-something man has a lot better chance of bedding a mid-40/late40s/50s woman than a 30-something woman. These are the blunt realities of the dating and marriage market.

    .
    At present, there are more White American women outmarrying than White American men, particularly in younger age groups.
    Again accurate, but the numbers overall remain minor. Black-white interracial marriages have increased but they are still LESS than 1% of all marriages- a trivial number overall, with little impact on the white population. White-Hispanic-Asian unionsa re more numerous but these have been slowing in recent years as more Asian and Hispanic immigration comes in. In short, intermarriage is not a significant factor as far as white demographics. There are other much more significant INTERNAL factors contributing to white demographic decline.

    .
    Despite the local supply of single women in the African American community, there is a much stronger tendency to look abroad, generally to women in Eastern Europe, South America, or East Asia.
    True enough, confirming the point above that interracial marriages will not be making any significant inroads as far as white demographics. Outmarrige to foreigners will remain minor for quite a time.

    .
    Then there’s gender reassignment, which means either entering the other side of the mate market or tapping into the lesbian market. It’s a viable strategy, all the more so because many white boys can be turned into hot trans women. I’m not saying that some young men actually think along those lines, but gender reassignment is functioning that way.

    I think this is an accurate forecast. The “transgendered thing” will increasingly absorb many eligible young white males, removing them from the white gene pool’s reproduction. Same for more young white males tuyring towards an increasingly acceptable homosexual lifestyle. On the other side, more young white women will likewise be sucked into the lesbian machinery.

    .
    Male shyness isn’t a pathology. It’s an adaptation to a social environment that values monogamy and high paternal investment while stigmatizing sexual adventurism. Our war on male shyness reflects our perverse desire to create a society of Don Juans and single mothers.
    One wonders if northern European societies, especially those in the much discussed hajnal/manorial zone will be able to reverse these trends. Southern Europeans seem to be better positioned to hold the line. In Italy for example it is quite common for 30-somethings to be living at home with “mama” and indeed- the Italian mamma is a strongly revered figure. The northern European sneering at “mamas boys” is to a large extent rejected in Italy. Likewise Italian society has been able, to a larger extent than in northern Europe, to hold the line against “gay” marriage, “transgenderism” etc etc. Even if such are legally on the books, the mass of Italian society still refuses to get on the “progressive” bandwagon. Religion, traditional Italian cultural conservatism, etc may be key factors. The laws an elites say one thing- the masses DO another. Maybe those Hanjal southerners are on to something.

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    "There is some truth to this, but it is questionable whether they are shut out due to demographics to any significant extent. The flip side is that many of today’s young white men are CHOOSING NOT to get married."
     
    This is very true. The reasons you provided for young white men not getting married make perfect sense but most men don't openly admit it for fear of backlash. Meanwhile, white women are free to complain "where have all the good men gone?" and sociologists give pathetic motivations for these guys to get married. Why bother? These men choose not to, but they could if they tried. Even a meh white man still has it easier in the marriage/dating department than the average Black or Asian guy.

    "Same for more young white males turning towards an increasingly acceptable homosexual lifestyle. On the other side, more young white women will likewise be sucked into the lesbian machinery. "
     

    Gay men will increase in popularity. The amount of lesbians will remain low because most aren't very likeable at all (movie fantasies aside). There are good reasons why they hang out in their own dens and use feminism/politics to gain visibility. Many young white women often pronounce themselves as bi-sexual. To be honest though, most people don't take them too seriously, since they usually end up with guys anyway. When a guy announces himself as bi-sexual however, it is much more noteworthy and it taken much more seriously. Maybe because it's more dangerous?

    In short, intermarriage is not a significant factor as far as white demographics. There are other much more significant INTERNAL factors contributing to white demographic decline.
     
    Again, very true. The whole intermarriage fear mongering is a distraction. Low birthrates and social relationships are much more important in the long run.
  134. I see both tendencies among the young male subculture. The dominant tendency is to imitate a hypermasculine and even thuggish look and behavior.

    In the past, American media used to glorify cowboys (John Wayne), rednecks (Burt Reynolds), macho action heroes (Schwarzennegar), mafioso (Al Pacino), boxers (Stallone), and a variety of other highly masculine men. Actually, even if you go back centuries, the cowboy/frontiersman was highly glamorized in the print media and story books. Glorification of violence and hyper-masculinity isn’t anything new. What’s changed is that America used to view white males as embodiments of toughness and strength, now they view blacks as ultra-masculine and whites as effeminate.

    America used to have a very rate of homicide in the old Western cities, so the glorification of cowboys is very much based on real life toughness. Just as black rappers grew up in the “street”, so too did white cowboy/frontier types. Before American culture became politically correct, little boys used to play “Cowboys and Indians.” On the east coast, it was common for Italian and Irish boys to brag about their gang or mafia “connections.”

    I gave you the Miller et al. study, but you rejected it because it conflicts with the findings of another study.

    I didn’t reject it, but I questioned it. I think you made a good observation about separating out Mexican-Americans from Caribbean Hispanics.
    That definitely seems plausible to me.

    I was curious if you had any studies that showed an STI reversal among whites. That’d be interesting to see.

    You have an idealized vision of marital bliss in Western marriages. I know an American researcher who concluded that a major cause of infertility is infrequency of sexual intercourse.

    I’m familiar with the literature on arranged marriages, and my impression is that such marriages are just as happy as Western marriages. Happiness in a marriage is largely determined by events after the first two years, particularly whether it produces children and whether the couple have strong supportive relationships with friends and relatives.

    The issue isn’t whether a marriage is arranged or not. The issue is that Pakistani-Mirpuris tend to arrange marriages with cousins from back home. It’s difficult to have any type of marital bliss when your wife is also your cousin. It’s an incestuous relationship. The situation is even worse than you’d think, as South Asians and Muslims often treat their cousins as sisters and see them often (close families). So a large percentage of UK men are marrying women they see as sisters, which is utterly disgusting.

    Also, the literature on arranged marriages often look at Indian marriages, which are overwhelmingly non-cousin marriages. Pakistani marriages involve close cousins from “back home.” So there’s an important distinction to be made.

    Another factor you need to consider is divorce, which is not permitted for Muslims. Maritally unhappy Americans divorce, Muslims do not.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1351834/Grooming-girls-Asian-gangs-fuelled-unhappy-arranged-marriages-cousins-claims-Muslim-peer.html

    See this quote:

    A senior Muslim politician has blamed unhappy arranged marriages to cousins for leading some Asian men to prey on vulnerable young white girls to fulfil their sexual needs.
    Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, Britain’s first Muslim peer, is the first politician to make a link between first-cousin marriages and sex crimes by Asian men.
    He has spoken out after a spate of high-profile court cases where groups of Asian men have been sentenced for grooming white girls as young as 12 in Derby, Blackburn and Lord Ahmed’s home town of Rotherham.
    Speaking out: Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, Britain’s first Muslim peer, believes there is a link between first-cousin marriages and sex crimes by Asian men
    Speaking out: Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, Britain’s first Muslim peer, believes there is a link between first-cousin marriages and sex crimes by Asian men
    Lord Ahmed, who wants an end to cousin marriages, said: ‘They are forced into marriages and they are not happy. They are married to girls from overseas who they don’t have anything in common with, and they have children and a family.
    ‘But they are looking for fun in their sexual activities and seek out vulnerable girls.’
    He said Asian men resort to abusing young white girls because they do not want meaningful relationships with adult white women.
    ‘An adult woman – if you are having an affair – would want your time, money and for you to break up your marriage,’ the peer added.
    His comments come weeks after former Foreign Secretary Jack Straw provoked national outrage by saying that some Asian men look at white girls as ‘easy meat’ for sexual abuse.
    Labour peer Lord Ahmed said: ‘I get a lot of criticism from Asian people who ask, “How can you say this about Asian men?” But they must wake up and realise there is a problem.
    ‘I am deeply worried about this as it has happened in my own backyard, and in Rochdale and Bradford.
    ‘This didn’t happen in my or my father’s generation. This is happening among young Pakistanis. While I respect individual choice, I think the community needs to look at marriages in the UK rather than cousin marriages or economic marriages from abroad.’
    Studies have shown that 55 per cent of British Pakistanis marry their first cousins, usually from abroad. In Bradford, the figure is as high as 75 per cent.

    As you can see, Pakistanis are being forced into sexually unsatisfying marriages and are unable to get adult-age white women. So they get sexually squeezed out and go after the most vulnerable women – preteen, drug-addicted street kids from dysfunctional (often foster) families. They’ve hit “rock bottom” sexually and gone after 12 year-olds.

    I don’t know if you’ve ever watched MSNBC’s “To Catch a Predator” (an American show that uses fake pre-teen female decoys to lure male sexual predators into stings) , but the men arrested are typically the sexual loser “omega” types. If huge numbers of Pakistani men are getting caught up in these pedophile prostitution rings, my guess is that it’s because they’re sexual losers (and also sociopaths).

    Or it means their sexual partners aren’t promiscuous. A study on young Pakistani men in Bradford found that the “groomers” had Pakistani girlfriends/wives in addition to white girlfriends:

    The NHS data indicate that British South Asian women have a higher chlamydia positivity rate than British South Asian men. So it’d seem that given the gender disparity, South Asian women are pursuing a hypergamous mating strategy with non-South Asian men. There’s no other explanation for why South Asian men have a lower chlamydia rate than their women.

    You’re absolutely correct that Muslims often use intimidation to keep their women from engaging in premarital sexual activity, but violence often can only do so much. UK statistics show that young South Asian women have abortion rates similar to those of white women.

    That contradicts the study by Van San and Bovenkerk:

    One reason that they wouldn’t brag about pimping out Muslim girls is that such talk would invite scorn and contempt from their community. Also, Muslim girls would be scared of the shaming they’d receive if they came forward about having been groomed. Another factor to consider is that Muslim girls are less likely to be prostituted in public places, due to the risk of being seen by their community members.

    To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of the victims are White Dutch girls, as the Netherlands is 90% white. The point is that there’s certainly a possibility of there being a significant amount of Muslim-on-Muslim grooming, though that may be better hidden.

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    Do a little digging, and you'll find grooming and abuse of Pakistani girls within the community is a serious problem. But even more hushed up than the Asian grooming of white girls.
  135. @iffen
    You would choose Hideki over Truth. Be honest.

    Yes, I’d expect so. However my sister would probably choose neither; brought up by a strict Protestant mother, she transgresses by choosing white Catholic guys (of any nationality) to hook up with. >:)

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    What! Are you in London or Londonderry? You can't be serious.
    , @Truth
    Your sister "hooks up?" That's bad.

    Tell her she should date a nice young man until marriage, or at least for 3 months before giving up the goods.

    A man will never buy the cow....
  136. @Simon in London
    "Indian/Pak women are engaging in hypergamy with white/black men and that Indian/Pak men are being squeezed out of the British sexual market. That’s an observation that Simon (a London-based poster) believes is accurate."

    I don't see a lot of south-Asian women going with black men. They do definitely seek out higher-status white men (I get hit on a lot) :) - they basically behave a lot like east-Asian women, though their average SMV (Sexual Market Value) is a bit lower than for NE Asian (Chinese/Korean/Japanese) women, but about the same as Philippinos. They want a moderately sexy guy who is reliable and has high social status. Unlike working class white women, south Asian women don't want a stud who is unemployed/irregularly employed and who will soon leave them for the next conquest, so most black men aren't very suitable.

    That’s a good point.

    One difference between SA and EA women is that SAs may date white men and fetishize them, but they still often marry their own ethnicity. EA women are more likely to marry out.

    As for your observation about being hit on a lot, let me contribute an anecdote. I used to for a company with lots of British expat employees (mostly young men) and
    a lot of them told me that SA women liked to flirt with White British men and even date them, but often only when these girls were away from their communities. Even a lot of the married women would put on a prudish face in front of their community, but act surprisingly sexually aggressive when they were alone with a white British male.

    I recall one guy told me that back when he worked in as a physical therapist, his SA female clients would completely demure and unfriendly when he greeted them in the public waiting area (near the entrance) of the PT clinic. When he got them into his office, they’d let down the shield a lot and he often found it easy to get numbers from them (even the married women). Then as soon as he escorted them back to the waiting area, these women started acting demure again. His conclusion was that SA women were under a lot of community pressure to be “good girls”, but beneath the exterior a lot of them were not much different than White British females. While a lot of them were under community/family supervision much of the time, they adopted Western sexual norms when they away from the community.

    Also, my acquaintance mentioned that SA women expected to be financially pampered a lot and wanted any potential lover to drive a nice car. So I think your professional/financial success is definitely a factor in why you get a lot of SA female attention.

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  137. @Pat Casey
    I n a long review of a book called Girls Gone Mild, we find this passage from F. Roger Devlin:

    Consider, firstly, this passage from Shalit’s first book: “many etiquette books, in both England and America, stressed a woman’s prerogative to greet a man on the street first, particularly if he was not a close friend. If she chose to greet him, he was obligated to respond in kind, but if she passed him by, there was absolutely nothing he could do about it” (RM, p. 56).
    I do not mean to take issue with this rule of etiquette, which may well have a sensible rationale. My point is simply that its one-sidedness does not seem problematic or in need of explanation to Shalit. A man might at least ask whether there is some larger context which explains why, in this particular case, all rights should be with the woman and none with the man.

    Mr. Devlin is concerned to harp about women being uppity instead of noting that this simple etiquette is what the whole thing comes down to. He does not understand. When men are allowed to court women unbidden in public, women expect them to do so. But of course only the few with the most self-possessed instincts do so, or do so well, and suddenly the modest men look shy, awkward, weak, and people tend to come to reflect how others receive them, when really they are just masculine in the way that doesn’t know how to be extrovertedly playful off-the-cuff with girly females. Maybe Devlin didn’t know that because he is too used to the PUA Community’s bread and butter—sophisticated approaches and tried-and-true pickup lines. He really gave himself away right there, making a trifling point out of something paramount.

    To reiterate, Etiquette is a very important word that Devlin just runs over in his long essay on Peacocks and Snakes and Utopias, and for a fellow who is literally the only one among the self-styled Dark Enlightenment who can write with lucidity for long stretches with a level head, the act in which he ran over the particular word “etiquette” was really when the mask fell off, forcing any half-critical appraisal to judge him a fellow with something rotting in his spleen. The etiquette allotted the prerogative to the female to greet the male when they were out in public and accidentally passed each other—Devlin’s displeasure was this: that the woman he is writing about, rather in the manner of a man following someone actually, did not halt and think what the prerogative is doing with her, and not him, or the stock man in the street, who Devin does not actually stipulate to be as offended by said unquestioned etiquette that so speaks such volume to him about feminine nature; Devlin is darn close to screaming snake for such blithe disregard of self-examination, as though there’s an etiquette he’s trying to get at, but he is actually able to move on, in that erudite writing style of typing with clenched teeth, returning to long stretches of level-headed reiteration, punctuated more or less, occasionally, by that sort of near unhinging, maybe saved only by the need to stretch. That word etiquette really ought to be the most important word in F. Roger Devlin’s life, if he is the true believer he claims to be, yet to extract something so perfectly petty simply disappoints me. Common etiquette between the sexes today in this nation does not exist as far as I know, and that particular etiquette Devlin regards like he’s picking a scab would be the most welcome, for from what I can tell, his pick-up artists disciples are more than anything else trained how to approach women in public and give them a good greeting. How much better would be there lives if they were not allowed to do that? The mind boggles. But the really revealing aspect of this is that etiquette, formal or ad hoc, will always and only by the male be established and imposed. Because women do follow the lead of men, but certainly not the lead of men who write about women most interestedly in terms of animals repeatedly throughout an utterly redundant and over-read essay that should go to hell. The man is the style, enslaved to resentments insidiously, led by his psyche and self-deceiving of some principle over the white birthrate his tactic is to deliberately do his part not to statistically improve. Kudos to Peter Frost for affording me the opportunity to vent that smack.

    Pat Casey says:
    To reiterate, Etiquette is a very important word that Devlin just runs over in his long essay on Peacocks and Snakes and Utopias..

    Whatever the importance of etiquette he discusses it will make little difference in substantially addressing the problems Peter speaks about. It might help smooth the way for a few dates but then what? How does it solve the abortion problem contributing to white demographic decline? How does it solve the fact that women are doing better in education these days than men, or in some cases the workplace, or that the recession has been harder on men than on women?

    How does it begin to address the fact that the traditional male provider role has been weakened, or growing “alternative lifestyles” finding acceptance among young white men like homosexuality or transgenderism? All the etiquette in the world does not begin to get a handle on these trends. Guys who are making low end salaries are not favored by women looking to “marry up” even more so when women may be making equal or better money, with better education. More etiquette isn’t gonna change that. Better etiquette perhaps may perhaps be useful in getting a guy laid, but the negative long term demographic trends above will continue.

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    I agree with your pessimism up to a point but not your reasoning. You are almost saying, how can something so micro as etiquette have macro consequences. Well because people live microscopically, on a personal level, not on the level of society-wide trends. All the etiquette in the world, as you say, and many more people would go about behaving traditionally, wisely, fruitfully, the only way they can behave, one opportunity at a time. Do you not find it stark raving mad that the only etiquette these days is don't beat them up or rape them? Of course customs matter. And I was speaking to Devlin's specific point that this era is one where white men and women increasingly seem to simply not want each other because they don't like each other, personally. I agree completely with his reform ideas on divorce law. My gripe is that more than female nature, hypergamy, exemplary males are setting a bad example by being cheap immature cads, which Devlins devotees are judging by what I can see, big fans of. But there is not nothing but gloom and doom. You just have to know where the traditional people are.
  138. @Enrique Cardova
    Pat Casey says:
    To reiterate, Etiquette is a very important word that Devlin just runs over in his long essay on Peacocks and Snakes and Utopias..

    Whatever the importance of etiquette he discusses it will make little difference in substantially addressing the problems Peter speaks about. It might help smooth the way for a few dates but then what? How does it solve the abortion problem contributing to white demographic decline? How does it solve the fact that women are doing better in education these days than men, or in some cases the workplace, or that the recession has been harder on men than on women?

    How does it begin to address the fact that the traditional male provider role has been weakened, or growing "alternative lifestyles" finding acceptance among young white men like homosexuality or transgenderism? All the etiquette in the world does not begin to get a handle on these trends. Guys who are making low end salaries are not favored by women looking to "marry up" even more so when women may be making equal or better money, with better education. More etiquette isn't gonna change that. Better etiquette perhaps may perhaps be useful in getting a guy laid, but the negative long term demographic trends above will continue.

    I agree with your pessimism up to a point but not your reasoning. You are almost saying, how can something so micro as etiquette have macro consequences. Well because people live microscopically, on a personal level, not on the level of society-wide trends. All the etiquette in the world, as you say, and many more people would go about behaving traditionally, wisely, fruitfully, the only way they can behave, one opportunity at a time. Do you not find it stark raving mad that the only etiquette these days is don’t beat them up or rape them? Of course customs matter. And I was speaking to Devlin’s specific point that this era is one where white men and women increasingly seem to simply not want each other because they don’t like each other, personally. I agree completely with his reform ideas on divorce law. My gripe is that more than female nature, hypergamy, exemplary males are setting a bad example by being cheap immature cads, which Devlins devotees are judging by what I can see, big fans of. But there is not nothing but gloom and doom. You just have to know where the traditional people are.

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    Do you not find it stark raving mad that the only etiquette these days is don’t beat them up or rape them? Of course customs matter.

    Yeah, well I remember when that book came out some years back called- "The Rules" - that there was talk of the return of etiquette, but most of the buzz and action based on the buzz seems to have vanished. Many people felt that so-called "Rules" seemed fake. Others defended them as a "return to sanity" in an era when the loss of old conventions, and expectations created an uncertain, unstable free for all dating/romance/marriage market.

    There is something to both sides. Rigidly and unrealistically applied it seemed some were using the "Rules" to pamper the egos of little "princesses." There was and still is some resentment out there on the part of guys, who said in a way of speaking- "Why should I kowtow to your female "rules" like some extra in your movie? Hell these days I can hit the dating sites, chat rooms, strip clubs, today's "willing" women, the Net, and other outlets to get what I want physically. Why should I invest all that energy in you, who ain't as "hot" as you think you are?"

    But on the other side proponents pointed to the free for all out there, with many women more than willing to "put out" sexually, or expected to "put out." And that both men and women were unsure of where the boundaries were. "The Rules" thing- which is really etiquette, alleviated some of the uncertainty and the pressure on both men and women. I think there is something to be said for this side of the equation too. Indeed as far as stable marriage material, most men do not want a girl who is known to flit from bed to bed, easily "putting out."

    .
    And I was speaking to Devlin’s specific point that this era is one where white men and women increasingly seem to simply not want each other because they don’t like each other, personally.

    Indeed, and I think this is due in part to changed power relations and economic factors. Women are doing well comparatively speaking, in schools, and in the workplace, and in politics too. The recession has been easier on females. Men simply aren't needed as in the traditional breadwinner/leader role of yesterday. Many of the young dudes I believe feel a sense of inadequacy. Here are all these females going to college for example and you got a dude with mediocre high school grades, on average, drifting and unsure of what he wants.

    Contrast with a determined, focused female. Companies are hiring them more, not guys. The old days when dudes could get a job down at the local factory and work there for 30 years, exiting with a good pension are long gone, and he associated jobs are long gone overseas. The Net has been part of the trend, and even "white collar" jobs now are being "outsourced." Who needs travel agents anymore for example? Or customer service reps for certain jobs when you got Microsoft and Cisco certified guys working for $5/hr equivalent overseas? Such factors weigh heavily.

    .
    My gripe is that more than female nature, hypergamy, exemplary males are setting a bad example by being cheap immature cads, which Devlins devotees are judging by what I can see, big fans of.

    The "cad" factor is part of the problem along with female hypergamy. Some females talk a good game about "the important things" but ain't gonna give you the time of day unless you are making more money than them or have some sort of status higher than them. It is even worse these days because many females (didn't say all) are doing relatively well- making good salaries, well educated. And on top of that more females these days are increasingly looks conscious. They want height, they want a fashionable, fit appearance and so on. Bubba with a few extra pounds down at the body shop need not apply. You see it on the dating sites all the time. Women have this long list of "deal breakers."

    So many of the white young men these days have taken on a "slacker" approach, or a f-you "cad" approach, which only poisons already tainted ground between the white sexes. Hell, if the "cads" are getting so much attention because they talk a better game, why shouldn't a regular dude also join their ranks, at some level? Hell, if everybody under 6 foot doesn't get the time of day on such and such a dating site from the "decent looking women" why bother with that etiquette and rejection BS? Why not play it cynical and manipulative? After all, the better looking women seem to more reward those who do.

    For some the virtual world is as good as or better than the real world. The porn merchants are serving up every conceivable fantasy a few clicks away for free. Who needs to put up with the rejection BS, and feeling inadequate when the dude can tailor any alternative, or fantasy he desires with a few clicks in the virtual world? And if needed can mesh that to some extent with the physical world via today's more widespread "put out" culture or efficient web-enabled prostitution?

    This is a main reason the PUA movement has caught on to the extent it has. Young men are withdrawing increasingly to these shorter-term alternatives. Now obviously this is not the whole picture, 100% everywhere, but you can see the pattern emerging in what Peter shows above.

    Now to add to all the above, pile on the growing homosexual and transsexual alternatives into the mix, and again young white men today are under significant pressure to NOT go the traditional marriage route. Indeed, the traditionally promiscuous "gay" lifestyle, especially among men, will have some impact on the institution of marriage- along with all the other impacts people have warned about. Bottom line- the institution is further devalued and weakened.

    .
    But there is not nothing but gloom and doom. You just have to know where the traditional people are.
    There is grounds for pessimism. All the above bodes ill for reversing white demographic decline. If people want to reverse white decline it is imperative that traditional institutions as marriage be stabilized, strengthened and maintain their prestige. Unfortunately the trend is going in the opposite direction. I would agree there is some ground for optimism in certain circumstances. But how do you find the traditional people?

    The best way is to build decentralized grassroots networks under a formula with a track record for moral revitalization, that can attract support across numerous communities. One of the best ways to do this is with grassroots religion, organized around a strong core message. This does not mean a central headquarters somewhere- the key is a grassroots network. This structure allows for plenty of diversity in non-essentials, including doctrine, but unity in core, "bottom line" essentials. Central headquarters can be hijacked or co-opted, and the mass brought into line like lemmings.

    For such grassroots networks to function effectively men need to step up to the plate and assume leadership. Again, religion has already built centuries long precedence for male leadership, which is another reason it is a credible vehicle. It is not the only vehicle, but it is one where a lot of the SOP has already been worked out- the wheel does not have to be reinvented.

    Italy offers an example of grassroots resistance. Strong family networks have staunchly resisted many excesses of "progressivism" including "gay" marriage. The elites may impose certain laws ON PAPER, but the grassroots can actually control the ground, and in turn, influence policies and events at higher levels. On an individual level, such networks of course are where the more traditional people are found.

  139. @BAPPY
    At the risk of being harsh, I have to point out that this is exactly why Peter Frost and to some extent Sailer have been called the "cuckold HBD" crowd. This article contains many half-truths and some outright lies. For example, if you actually check the relevant figure, which is children born to white mothers where the father is not white, the figure for children with "hispanic" fathers and white mothers is close to 6% and the figure with black fathers is about half that much. So if Frost wanted to focus on the problem of racial sexual competition he would mention this figure, which in fact he distorts, leaving the reader to think that the majority of the 11-20% is because of interracial mating with blacks. In fact the bulk of that 11% is with "hispanics," which you have to put in quotation marks because my bet is that the vast majority of those are South American Spaniards and not 4'7 mestizo cholos. The figure in fact for children born to white mothers with black fathers is around 3%. I don't know about the "undeclared" figure of around 9% but there's no reason to assume most of those are black either.

    This is par for the course, as Frost has denied in the past, for example, that there is an epidemic of vitamin D deficiency among Western populations worldwide, when there is a lot of evidence for such deficiency. But there is a pattern to his denials or distortions, which is that all of thse fuel different aspects of his cuckold fantasy; so because of this article and because of his general take on things I'd put my money on it, that he watches interracial porn and has fantasies about white male feminization, which he discusses above as if it is a real problem or "strategy," rather than a statistical blip that is mostly the practice of a certain kind of homosexual.

    One thing he doesn't discuss at all is the problem of female obesity in the West (and the likely fact that many if not most white females who breed with or marry blacks are obese and/or aged). To any reader of heartiste or similar blogs, and any observer of day to day life in the USA, this problem of white female obesity and in general white female undesirability (disagreeableness, bitchiness, sloppiness in dress, etc.) would seem to be a much bigger problem for young single white men, but of course Frost doesn't mention this. Why? Because white female desirability is central to his cuckold fetish, without which it would whither. Note that he compares American women to East European women, which is absurd.

    Finally you should know that I don't say these things about Frost (or Sailer) just because of this article, but because of their general, and ahistorical, take on the history of Western civilization (a more appropriate name than "white," which was never a self-identifier except in the colonies). You can see this nonsense in the last paragraphs where he complains about "Don Juans" (as if Italian culture is not even more central to Western history and culture than NW Euro), and where he has this image of "shy" beta workalike NW Euros who "built civilization." This is garbage, as civilization was built by alphas, not betas. This is a longer discussion, but Frost and Sailer are indeed beta IT-type guys or nerdoids who see themselves and their type as foundational to Western culture, when in fact they are another symptom of its decline. Conservatives in the 19th century were already complaining about how culture was decaying because the democratic age gave dominion to the meek shopkeeper and the calculating bourgeois. We've forgotten this and foolishly identify "white civilization" precisely with the meek shopkeeper. But it was not always this way, and the Viking and Finn were not seen as anything like "beta" even quite recently.

    The point is this, that if Western society is indeed "beta" then it deserves to fail, and it WILL fail. The right to rule doesn't and shouldn't belong to accountants, shopkeepers, programmers, and timid calculators...and never did.

    Yeah some good points in this comment, very Nietzsche! Forget game read Nietzsche. But yeah Professor Frost do you or do you not watch interracial porn? I only ask because a recent phenomenon I’ve come to notice in porn is white guys filming their wives with black men! This came to my attention after seeing a film by white guy explaining how to get your wife to sleep with a black man! Very odd IMO. but it does fit in with whole ‘I’m a dorky flabby white guy who can’t satisfy women like a real hunky animal’ cuckold fantasy theory.

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  140. @JohnnyWalker123

    I see both tendencies among the young male subculture. The dominant tendency is to imitate a hypermasculine and even thuggish look and behavior.
     
    In the past, American media used to glorify cowboys (John Wayne), rednecks (Burt Reynolds), macho action heroes (Schwarzennegar), mafioso (Al Pacino), boxers (Stallone), and a variety of other highly masculine men. Actually, even if you go back centuries, the cowboy/frontiersman was highly glamorized in the print media and story books. Glorification of violence and hyper-masculinity isn't anything new. What's changed is that America used to view white males as embodiments of toughness and strength, now they view blacks as ultra-masculine and whites as effeminate.

    America used to have a very rate of homicide in the old Western cities, so the glorification of cowboys is very much based on real life toughness. Just as black rappers grew up in the "street", so too did white cowboy/frontier types. Before American culture became politically correct, little boys used to play "Cowboys and Indians." On the east coast, it was common for Italian and Irish boys to brag about their gang or mafia "connections."

    I gave you the Miller et al. study, but you rejected it because it conflicts with the findings of another study.
     
    I didn't reject it, but I questioned it. I think you made a good observation about separating out Mexican-Americans from Caribbean Hispanics.
    That definitely seems plausible to me.

    I was curious if you had any studies that showed an STI reversal among whites. That'd be interesting to see.

    You have an idealized vision of marital bliss in Western marriages. I know an American researcher who concluded that a major cause of infertility is infrequency of sexual intercourse.

    I’m familiar with the literature on arranged marriages, and my impression is that such marriages are just as happy as Western marriages. Happiness in a marriage is largely determined by events after the first two years, particularly whether it produces children and whether the couple have strong supportive relationships with friends and relatives.
     
    The issue isn't whether a marriage is arranged or not. The issue is that Pakistani-Mirpuris tend to arrange marriages with cousins from back home. It's difficult to have any type of marital bliss when your wife is also your cousin. It's an incestuous relationship. The situation is even worse than you'd think, as South Asians and Muslims often treat their cousins as sisters and see them often (close families). So a large percentage of UK men are marrying women they see as sisters, which is utterly disgusting.

    Also, the literature on arranged marriages often look at Indian marriages, which are overwhelmingly non-cousin marriages. Pakistani marriages involve close cousins from "back home." So there's an important distinction to be made.

    Another factor you need to consider is divorce, which is not permitted for Muslims. Maritally unhappy Americans divorce, Muslims do not.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1351834/Grooming-girls-Asian-gangs-fuelled-unhappy-arranged-marriages-cousins-claims-Muslim-peer.html

    See this quote:

    A senior Muslim politician has blamed unhappy arranged marriages to cousins for leading some Asian men to prey on vulnerable young white girls to fulfil their sexual needs.
    Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, Britain’s first Muslim peer, is the first politician to make a link between first-cousin marriages and sex crimes by Asian men.
    He has spoken out after a spate of high-profile court cases where groups of Asian men have been sentenced for grooming white girls as young as 12 in Derby, Blackburn and Lord Ahmed’s home town of Rotherham.
    Speaking out: Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, Britain's first Muslim peer, believes there is a link between first-cousin marriages and sex crimes by Asian men
    Speaking out: Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, Britain's first Muslim peer, believes there is a link between first-cousin marriages and sex crimes by Asian men
    Lord Ahmed, who wants an end to cousin marriages, said: ‘They are forced into marriages and they are not happy. They are married to girls from overseas who they don’t have anything in common with, and they have children and a family.
    ‘But they are looking for fun in their sexual activities and seek out vulnerable girls.’
    He said Asian men resort to abusing young white girls because they do not want meaningful relationships with adult white women.
    ‘An adult woman – if you are having an affair – would want your time, money and for you to break up your marriage,’ the peer added.
    His comments come weeks after former Foreign Secretary Jack Straw provoked national outrage by saying that some Asian men look at white girls as ‘easy meat’ for sexual abuse.
    Labour peer Lord Ahmed said: ‘I get a lot of criticism from Asian people who ask, “How can you say this about Asian men?” But they must wake up and realise there is a problem.
    ‘I am deeply worried about this as it has happened in my own backyard, and in Rochdale and Bradford.
    ‘This didn’t happen in my or my father’s generation. This is happening among young Pakistanis. While I respect individual choice, I think the community needs to look at marriages in the UK rather than cousin marriages or economic marriages from abroad.’
    Studies have shown that 55 per cent of British Pakistanis marry their first cousins, usually from abroad. In Bradford, the figure is as high as 75 per cent.

     

    As you can see, Pakistanis are being forced into sexually unsatisfying marriages and are unable to get adult-age white women. So they get sexually squeezed out and go after the most vulnerable women - preteen, drug-addicted street kids from dysfunctional (often foster) families. They've hit "rock bottom" sexually and gone after 12 year-olds.

    I don't know if you've ever watched MSNBC's "To Catch a Predator" (an American show that uses fake pre-teen female decoys to lure male sexual predators into stings) , but the men arrested are typically the sexual loser "omega" types. If huge numbers of Pakistani men are getting caught up in these pedophile prostitution rings, my guess is that it's because they're sexual losers (and also sociopaths).

    Or it means their sexual partners aren’t promiscuous. A study on young Pakistani men in Bradford found that the “groomers” had Pakistani girlfriends/wives in addition to white girlfriends:

     

    The NHS data indicate that British South Asian women have a higher chlamydia positivity rate than British South Asian men. So it'd seem that given the gender disparity, South Asian women are pursuing a hypergamous mating strategy with non-South Asian men. There's no other explanation for why South Asian men have a lower chlamydia rate than their women.

    You're absolutely correct that Muslims often use intimidation to keep their women from engaging in premarital sexual activity, but violence often can only do so much. UK statistics show that young South Asian women have abortion rates similar to those of white women.

    That contradicts the study by Van San and Bovenkerk:

     

    One reason that they wouldn't brag about pimping out Muslim girls is that such talk would invite scorn and contempt from their community. Also, Muslim girls would be scared of the shaming they'd receive if they came forward about having been groomed. Another factor to consider is that Muslim girls are less likely to be prostituted in public places, due to the risk of being seen by their community members.

    To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the victims are White Dutch girls, as the Netherlands is 90% white. The point is that there's certainly a possibility of there being a significant amount of Muslim-on-Muslim grooming, though that may be better hidden.

    Do a little digging, and you’ll find grooming and abuse of Pakistani girls within the community is a serious problem. But even more hushed up than the Asian grooming of white girls.

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    Yes, young Pakistani girls do get abused, often by much older male relatives. It happens indoors or in cars - when I see an old Pashtun guy sitting in his car with a young Pashtun girl on his lap, I'm a bit suspicious, but there's nothing obvious.
  141. @Simon in London
    Yes, I'd expect so. However my sister would probably choose neither; brought up by a strict Protestant mother, she transgresses by choosing white Catholic guys (of any nationality) to hook up with. >:)

    What! Are you in London or Londonderry? You can’t be serious.

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    My mother is from Londonderry, I'm Northern Irish; grew up near Belfast. My sister started seeing Irish Catholic guys as a teen, then in adulthood went European - Italian & German.
  142. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    I’m sorry this s!#t is not so hard. If you want to find a mate you will have to put some work into yourself in one form or another. As a male you cannot just throw a shingle up and say “Hay! I’m open for business.” The female investment in reproduction is far higher than males; this is just a fact of life. You will have to put time into self-confidence, appearance, and financial stability. This may offend some people but it is true! Women want a prince not a toad. So do yourself a favor and don’t be a toad!

    What about giving them a knuckle sandwich instead?

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  143. @KFoy
    Do a little digging, and you'll find grooming and abuse of Pakistani girls within the community is a serious problem. But even more hushed up than the Asian grooming of white girls.

    Yes, young Pakistani girls do get abused, often by much older male relatives. It happens indoors or in cars – when I see an old Pashtun guy sitting in his car with a young Pashtun girl on his lap, I’m a bit suspicious, but there’s nothing obvious.

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  144. @iffen
    What! Are you in London or Londonderry? You can't be serious.

    My mother is from Londonderry, I’m Northern Irish; grew up near Belfast. My sister started seeing Irish Catholic guys as a teen, then in adulthood went European – Italian & German.

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  145. @Pat Casey
    I agree with your pessimism up to a point but not your reasoning. You are almost saying, how can something so micro as etiquette have macro consequences. Well because people live microscopically, on a personal level, not on the level of society-wide trends. All the etiquette in the world, as you say, and many more people would go about behaving traditionally, wisely, fruitfully, the only way they can behave, one opportunity at a time. Do you not find it stark raving mad that the only etiquette these days is don't beat them up or rape them? Of course customs matter. And I was speaking to Devlin's specific point that this era is one where white men and women increasingly seem to simply not want each other because they don't like each other, personally. I agree completely with his reform ideas on divorce law. My gripe is that more than female nature, hypergamy, exemplary males are setting a bad example by being cheap immature cads, which Devlins devotees are judging by what I can see, big fans of. But there is not nothing but gloom and doom. You just have to know where the traditional people are.

    Do you not find it stark raving mad that the only etiquette these days is don’t beat them up or rape them? Of course customs matter.

    Yeah, well I remember when that book came out some years back called- “The Rules” – that there was talk of the return of etiquette, but most of the buzz and action based on the buzz seems to have vanished. Many people felt that so-called “Rules” seemed fake. Others defended them as a “return to sanity” in an era when the loss of old conventions, and expectations created an uncertain, unstable free for all dating/romance/marriage market.

    There is something to both sides. Rigidly and unrealistically applied it seemed some were using the “Rules” to pamper the egos of little “princesses.” There was and still is some resentment out there on the part of guys, who said in a way of speaking- “Why should I kowtow to your female “rules” like some extra in your movie? Hell these days I can hit the dating sites, chat rooms, strip clubs, today’s “willing” women, the Net, and other outlets to get what I want physically. Why should I invest all that energy in you, who ain’t as “hot” as you think you are?”

    But on the other side proponents pointed to the free for all out there, with many women more than willing to “put out” sexually, or expected to “put out.” And that both men and women were unsure of where the boundaries were. “The Rules” thing- which is really etiquette, alleviated some of the uncertainty and the pressure on both men and women. I think there is something to be said for this side of the equation too. Indeed as far as stable marriage material, most men do not want a girl who is known to flit from bed to bed, easily “putting out.”

    .
    And I was speaking to Devlin’s specific point that this era is one where white men and women increasingly seem to simply not want each other because they don’t like each other, personally.

    Indeed, and I think this is due in part to changed power relations and economic factors. Women are doing well comparatively speaking, in schools, and in the workplace, and in politics too. The recession has been easier on females. Men simply aren’t needed as in the traditional breadwinner/leader role of yesterday. Many of the young dudes I believe feel a sense of inadequacy. Here are all these females going to college for example and you got a dude with mediocre high school grades, on average, drifting and unsure of what he wants.

    Contrast with a determined, focused female. Companies are hiring them more, not guys. The old days when dudes could get a job down at the local factory and work there for 30 years, exiting with a good pension are long gone, and he associated jobs are long gone overseas. The Net has been part of the trend, and even “white collar” jobs now are being “outsourced.” Who needs travel agents anymore for example? Or customer service reps for certain jobs when you got Microsoft and Cisco certified guys working for $5/hr equivalent overseas? Such factors weigh heavily.

    .
    My gripe is that more than female nature, hypergamy, exemplary males are setting a bad example by being cheap immature cads, which Devlins devotees are judging by what I can see, big fans of.

    The “cad” factor is part of the problem along with female hypergamy. Some females talk a good game about “the important things” but ain’t gonna give you the time of day unless you are making more money than them or have some sort of status higher than them. It is even worse these days because many females (didn’t say all) are doing relatively well- making good salaries, well educated. And on top of that more females these days are increasingly looks conscious. They want height, they want a fashionable, fit appearance and so on. Bubba with a few extra pounds down at the body shop need not apply. You see it on the dating sites all the time. Women have this long list of “deal breakers.”

    So many of the white young men these days have taken on a “slacker” approach, or a f-you “cad” approach, which only poisons already tainted ground between the white sexes. Hell, if the “cads” are getting so much attention because they talk a better game, why shouldn’t a regular dude also join their ranks, at some level? Hell, if everybody under 6 foot doesn’t get the time of day on such and such a dating site from the “decent looking women” why bother with that etiquette and rejection BS? Why not play it cynical and manipulative? After all, the better looking women seem to more reward those who do.

    For some the virtual world is as good as or better than the real world. The porn merchants are serving up every conceivable fantasy a few clicks away for free. Who needs to put up with the rejection BS, and feeling inadequate when the dude can tailor any alternative, or fantasy he desires with a few clicks in the virtual world? And if needed can mesh that to some extent with the physical world via today’s more widespread “put out” culture or efficient web-enabled prostitution?

    This is a main reason the PUA movement has caught on to the extent it has. Young men are withdrawing increasingly to these shorter-term alternatives. Now obviously this is not the whole picture, 100% everywhere, but you can see the pattern emerging in what Peter shows above.

    Now to add to all the above, pile on the growing homosexual and transsexual alternatives into the mix, and again young white men today are under significant pressure to NOT go the traditional marriage route. Indeed, the traditionally promiscuous “gay” lifestyle, especially among men, will have some impact on the institution of marriage- along with all the other impacts people have warned about. Bottom line- the institution is further devalued and weakened.

    .
    But there is not nothing but gloom and doom. You just have to know where the traditional people are.
    There is grounds for pessimism. All the above bodes ill for reversing white demographic decline. If people want to reverse white decline it is imperative that traditional institutions as marriage be stabilized, strengthened and maintain their prestige. Unfortunately the trend is going in the opposite direction. I would agree there is some ground for optimism in certain circumstances. But how do you find the traditional people?

    The best way is to build decentralized grassroots networks under a formula with a track record for moral revitalization, that can attract support across numerous communities. One of the best ways to do this is with grassroots religion, organized around a strong core message. This does not mean a central headquarters somewhere- the key is a grassroots network. This structure allows for plenty of diversity in non-essentials, including doctrine, but unity in core, “bottom line” essentials. Central headquarters can be hijacked or co-opted, and the mass brought into line like lemmings.

    For such grassroots networks to function effectively men need to step up to the plate and assume leadership. Again, religion has already built centuries long precedence for male leadership, which is another reason it is a credible vehicle. It is not the only vehicle, but it is one where a lot of the SOP has already been worked out- the wheel does not have to be reinvented.

    Italy offers an example of grassroots resistance. Strong family networks have staunchly resisted many excesses of “progressivism” including “gay” marriage. The elites may impose certain laws ON PAPER, but the grassroots can actually control the ground, and in turn, influence policies and events at higher levels. On an individual level, such networks of course are where the more traditional people are found.

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    • Replies: @Pat Casey
    Appreciate the thoughts. Don't think I'm not thinking by not responding in kind. I don't know how old you are but I'm 28 and this is my advice cause you remind me of me six years ago over at alternative right. Do not waste your time thinking about white decline, white people, white americans. White People are the devil, according to white culture, which in america is synonymous with jewish culture. fine. let them have it, their doing a good job inviting the pendulum's wrath. you will never go anywhere grass roots wise if you talk about white people. study the broad trends for sure, or go small grass roots for sure, but don't go grass roots thinking about broad topics. you want to go broad start working on some good art and keep striving like faust. or keep doing what your doing, but impart your perspective elsewhere that's not more like preaching to the quire. Don't waste your energy preaching to the quire. And read as much G.K. Chesterton as you can.
    , @Truth

    And I was speaking to Devlin’s specific point that this era is one where white men and women increasingly seem to simply not want each other because they don’t like each other, personally.
     
    Bingo.

    And this is what has led to the rise, I believe in so many white women being arrested for statutory rape. I personally know two white female schoolteachers who have. I lot of white women don't really want to be with another race, but are incredibly bored / disdainful of "normal" (read; they're own age) white men that they are willing to risk a jail sentence.
  146. @Simon in London
    Yes, I'd expect so. However my sister would probably choose neither; brought up by a strict Protestant mother, she transgresses by choosing white Catholic guys (of any nationality) to hook up with. >:)

    Your sister “hooks up?” That’s bad.

    Tell her she should date a nice young man until marriage, or at least for 3 months before giving up the goods.

    A man will never buy the cow….

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    Hooks up? Not for 10 years maybe - serial monogamy more like.
  147. Priss Factor [AKA "Priss Factory"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “The European female phenotype seems to be very popular, and this was so even when white folks were geopolitical weaklings. Today, the term “white slavery” is merely a synonym for prostitution, but it originally meant the enslavement of fair-skinned women for sale to clients in North Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia.”

    Because racial purity is always equated with the sordid history of Nazi radical racism, people overlook the fact that interracism has often been the product of conquest, rape, slavery, oppression, and exploitation.

    How did the Mestizo come into being? Imperialism and rape.

    How did Central Asia come into being? Mongol rape and plunder of the white race.

    If anything, in many cases anti-miscegenation laws protected the native conquered people from sexually predatory acts of the conquering peoples.

    Also, conquering people often used race-mixing to perpetuate their rule. Mix the races, and then the conquered people may become confused in identity and not resist.

    That is why whites ruled Latin America for so long. Mestizos don’t know what they are.

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    You ignorant twit, Central Asia is a geographic location, not a person, and central Asians were centuries in place before Europeans appeared.
  148. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    There are two sides to race-mixing.

    The side that is emphasized is the acceptance of another race.

    That sounds oh-so-positive.

    But there is also the side that REJECTS one’s own race, often consciously as inferior.

    So, interracism is racist. Black men find black women to be inferior, and increasing number of white women find white men to be inferior to black men.
    They are weaned from cradle on rap music, black-dominated sports, and jungle fever talk with friends. As high schools integrate, more white high school girls will play cheerleader for black athletes.

    And PC beats up on the White Male constantly. There is no pride attached to being a white male unless he is a homo, but then, being a homo means he is not interested in white women.

    Imagine that. Only a white fruitcake or a white guy who cuts off his penis is worthy of pride in our PC order.

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    You're incorrect about white males being squeezed out the American mating market.

    http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/race_affects/Reply-By-Race-Male.png

    As the above link demonstrates, white males get the highest response rate overall in online dating. Sure white men lose some women to black men, but they get lots of Hispanic, Asian, and Indian women. So it's not that bad.

    As I've pointed out many times in thread, the true losers in the sexual market are Indian/Pak men and (to a lesser extent) East Asian men.
  149. Priss Factor [AKA "Sylia Stingray"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @hell_is_like_newark

    Go to Russia. You’ll see young boys who take an interest in figure skating, opera, and ballet (yes, ballet). They have girlfriends and they grow up to be men. Here in North America, that would be inconceivable. You either learn to play “game” or you become an effeminate toy boy. I’m married so none of this directly concerns me, but it will concern when my children enter the marriage market, and the perverse sexual norms that my generation and the previous generation created.
     
    A lot of this is due to the fact that drama, dance, opera, etc. have become gay dominated here in the USA. As much as the social engineers try, heterosexual men still find (in particular the flamboyant ones) homosexuals perverse, and gross. Tolerance is not the same as acceptance. Hetero men and boys don't want to be associated with such culture and will shun any activity associated with such.

    Now with the SCOTUS making gay marriage the law of the land, I expect the same will happen with weddings. If women thought it was hard to get a man to commit today to marriage with a big wedding, wait until weddings become big 'gay' events. Hetero men will shun weddings as much as they do ballet today.

    [It's not proper behavior to duplicate your very long comments on more than one post. A very short intro plus a link to your other comment is the right approach.]

    “Now with the SCOTUS making gay marriage the law of the land, I expect the same will happen with weddings. If women thought it was hard to get a man to commit today to marriage with a big wedding, wait until weddings become big ‘gay’ events. Hetero men will shun weddings as much as they do ballet today.”

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    This is why decent folks need to come up with a new cultural definition and practice of marriage.

    I say marriage should be rejected altogether, at least morally and culturally. Its meaning has been desecrated and defiled. I say let ‘marriage’ mean ‘gay marriage’.
    Let the homos have it. If a filthy man puts his hand all over your donut, just let him have it.

    The meaning of marriage now should be: An institution that once used to unite man and woman in matrimony now degraded into celebration of filth by the decadent West dominated by Jews and their main allies, the homos.

    Marriage has been corrupted and defiled. It is worthless.

    For decent folks, it still has legal force, but it should have zero cultural meaning.

    So, what are decent folks to do?

    Come up with a CULTURAL terminology and definition of the true bio-moral union of man and woman.

    Suppose we call this ‘Concordia’. Concordia will be culturally and morally defined by decent folks as bio-moral union of a real man and a real woman. (No trannies allowed).) Since it will be unambiguously defined this way, it can never be corrupted by homos and their backers.

    As for the ceremony of Concordia, suppose we name it ‘symphonia’. Symphonia can only bless the union of man and woman in Concordia since it will be strictly defined as a rite in the service of Concordia and only Concordia. So, even though bakers are forced to make ‘gay wedding cakes’, they cannot be forced to make ‘gay symphonia cakes’ since symphonia will culturally be defined as the bio-moral union of man and woman. Symphonia cakes and services can only serve those involved with symphonia. It’s like a Rabbi cannot be forced to preside over a Christian celebration. Rabbi is, by definition, a man who serves Jewish matters. He is under no cultural or spiritual obligation to serve other religions.

    ‘Gay symphonia’ would be like ‘Nazi Jew’ or ‘Communist Objectivist’. Just can’t happen.

    Now, Concordia and Symphonia, as cultural institutions, would have no legal binding. But that is the beauty of it. It cannot be messed with the supreme court or whatever since it is a cultural reality and cultural institution and cultural movement.
    And since they’d be specifically defined and designed to serve the union of man and woman, homos and trannies can never undermine it.

    It’s like Christmas is a cultural tradition and reality that honors the birth of Jesus. Therefore, Buddhists cannot demand a Buddhist Christmas, demanding that Christmas celebrate Buddha as well as Jesus.

    Jews who didn’t care for Christmas made a big thing of Hannukah.

    Blacks who didn’t care for Christmas came up with Kwanzaa.

    Decent folks who no longer care for marriage(desecrated and defiled) and wedding(now celebrating fruity garbage) should come up with something like Concordia and Symphonia.

    Since the meaning of ‘marriage’ and ‘wedding’ has been defiled by PC, it is time for a cultural revival of the bio-moral union of man and woman.
    As far as we are concerned, ‘marriage’ now means this garbage called ‘gay marriage’, and ‘wedding’ now means the union of two homos who wanna indulge in fecal-hole-penetration.

    A cultural shift to ‘Concordia’ and ‘symphonia’ could lead to a whole new movement.

    Decent folks should go through the process of de-marriage and then go through the process of re-commitment through ritual of Symphonia that binds man and woman in Concordia. Lots of money to be made in industries catering to Concordia and symphonia, especially in the South and Christian belt.

    Legally, people would still have to go through marriage process, but it would be strictly legal and nothing else.
    True meaning will come from cultural ritual and practices, and Concordia will be defined in a way that it only applies to decent folks engaged in proper sexual mating.

    A third concept could be ‘Fidelia’ that honors only those who come into sexual union within the race. Those who choose Fidelia will NOT REJECT members of the same race. Interracism is, after all, rejection of one’s own people in favor of another.

    Concordia, Symphonia, and Fidelia. Cultural concepts that could be a boon to decent folks.

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    "[It's not proper behavior to duplicate your very long comments on more than one post. A very short intro plus a link to your other comment is the right approach.]"

    It's possible someone else had the same idea I have.

    [Playing totally dumb also isn't proper behavior]
  150. @Priss Factor
    "The European female phenotype seems to be very popular, and this was so even when white folks were geopolitical weaklings. Today, the term “white slavery” is merely a synonym for prostitution, but it originally meant the enslavement of fair-skinned women for sale to clients in North Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia."

    Because racial purity is always equated with the sordid history of Nazi radical racism, people overlook the fact that interracism has often been the product of conquest, rape, slavery, oppression, and exploitation.

    How did the Mestizo come into being? Imperialism and rape.

    How did Central Asia come into being? Mongol rape and plunder of the white race.

    If anything, in many cases anti-miscegenation laws protected the native conquered people from sexually predatory acts of the conquering peoples.

    Also, conquering people often used race-mixing to perpetuate their rule. Mix the races, and then the conquered people may become confused in identity and not resist.

    That is why whites ruled Latin America for so long. Mestizos don't know what they are.

    You ignorant twit, Central Asia is a geographic location, not a person, and central Asians were centuries in place before Europeans appeared.

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    "You ignorant twit, Central Asia is a geographic location, not a person, and central Asians were centuries in place before Europeans appeared."

    Much of Central Asia was Caucasian, but then Mongols swept in big time and messed up stuff as Tatars.

    There's some movie to that effect.
  151. @Simon in London
    >>My attitude toward game is like my attitude toward gender reassignment. Both are attempts to push the envelope of phenotypic plasticity beyond its usual limits,<<

    I think a certain amount of Game theory (the Roissy stuff) can be useful in helping young men not to pedestalise young women into unknowable goddesses. It's particularly useful for naturally shy, provider types, the denigrated 'betas', to help them 'act up' a bit and roleplay more towards the confident type that women actually want. This only works if they combine this with human empathy towards the girls and seek mutual benefit rather than exploitation, though - just as a practical matter, you have to be a good actor to be an effective cad. But helping decent guys overcome excessive reticence, and put on enough of a Game face to allow a girl to pretend to herself that he's a bit of a bad boy... well that's a good thing.

    There is a cost to trying to be a bad boy that few mention, because I think most guys who talk about it, maybe all, don’t actually apply it in the real world, or do it terribly.

    There was a period in my life when I was a genuine bad boy, and what happens is you are constantly being challenged by other men, in serious or subtle ways, but you gave to expend huge amounts of energy in conflict, sometimes petty, sometimes serious, with other men.

    Merely talking to a pretty girl in a cocky and arrogant way can elicit a challenge from another male in the vicinity who is offended by your airs.

    If you don’t wish to spend your life fighting, either socially or even physically, dont be a bad boy.

    To think that an educated white collar person like roissy can handle the psychological pressure of that, or would even want to, is laughable.

    It was exhausting for me, and I was thrust into that situation by circumstances. Literally for anyone who had other options, there are much better ways of living.

    As a reformed bad boy, I can safely say that it is not essential to atracting women. There is a subset of women that love these guys, but they are far from the majority.

    Confidence and a sociable personality works fine. The bad boy stuff is an over reach that reflects more on the insecurities of guys who don’t know what the lifestyle is like than on what most women actually like.

    Suburban white kids who over compensate for too much safety by glamorizing thug life is a staple of modern society. If they lived that life, they would find it neither heroic nor a world of strong, confident men. Its a world of men whose low status makes them hypervigilant and overreactive to threats to status, since they have to defend what little they have. It is not a world of strong men.

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    Right on bro - and welcome back to the world of normal men. I have no respect for the man who goes hunting to snatch women from men that are his 'rivals'. A confident man should recognize the humanity of his fellow and want for him to lead a dignified, un-threatened life with the woman he is with.
    , @Simon in London
    I agree with what you're saying - I'm (obviously?) not advocating that beta white guys act like thugs. I guess I didn't really mean 'bad boy' like that, just someone who's not scared of women, not Politically Correct, just very slightly edgy - the vast majority of middle class white girls in the Anglosphere do not in fact want black thugs. In fact in the preference-by-race OKCupid data they clearly want white guys.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    It's possible to be tough without being thuggish.

    Just lift weights and get cut. An aggressive look and muscular physique intimidates people, even if you don't behave in a violent manner. Also, speak in a deep voice and act confident/commanding.

    Lots of women go for the "strong and silent type." The trick is that you have to exhibit stoicisim in your emotions and act laconic. You also have to have masculine habits, like watching football, driving a Camaro, and shooting guns.

    If you want an image of what a highly masculine white male looks like, spend time around east coast ethnics (Italian/Irish) or rural rednecks.

  152. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    In a way, all this sexual looseness and confusion are the result of contraception and antibiotics.

    Before there was effective/reliable contraception and antibiotics(for treatment of various VD’s), sexual acts led to CONSEQUENCES. Pregnancy or disease, often painful and deadly. Horrific in the case of Syphilis. Also, there were cultural consequences in a society where shame and honor mattered. Shotgun marriage for young men who get ladies pregnant. But culture of shame and honor are gone. Men are not brought up to be like Vito Corleone.

    So, people in the past had to think of not only sex but of the consequences of sex.

    Now, contraception and better medicine are a good thing. With low infant mortality in the modern world, we don’t need women having lots of kids. In the past, even a rich women could have 5 kids and lose 3 or even all of them. Today, very few babies die in infancy. Also, as VD’s are terrible, it’s good to have medicine to treat them.

    But the downside is people approach sex more casually, thoughtlessly, excessively, trashily, wantonly. They know they can indulge in it without worrying about pregnancy and disease. Also, there is no moral stigma for sexually loutish behavior.
    The New Pride is associated with men who do sodomy and with cops who act like this in public:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl972jf8cs4

    So, there is no counter-balance against out-of-control sexual behavior. End result is the gross culture of Lena Dunham and Seth Rogan.
    There used to be a time when porn culture(red-light district stuff) and mainstream culture were kept separate. Now, they’ve merged.

    Imagine what would happen to food culture if someone created a pill that negates the harm of over-eating. Though there are lots of fat people(partly due to loss of stigma to being grossly fat), many people still control what they eat and exercise because they know that over-eating has CONSEQUENCES: it leads to obesity, heart disease, diabetes, ugliness, and etc.
    But imagine if a certain pill prevents all the harm resulting from over-eating. So, a woman can eat a whole cake, two chickens, a box of donuts, drink a case of Coke, and etc, and then take the pill. She remains slim and healthy. The pill negates the consequences of over-eating, just like the Birth Control Pill negates the consequences of sex.
    But what will become of her eating behavior? She will now think it’s okay to eat like a pig since she can always just take the pill afterward and avoid the consequences of over-eating. The pill may be good for her health but encourages her to eat like a glutton.
    In a way, the contraceptive and antibiotics have turned women into ‘sluttons’. Sluttony is what prevails in society with garbage like Sex and City, Desperate Housewives, Girls, and tons of other trash programs that says INDULGE, INDULGE, and INDULGE since technology now negates the consequences of excess and wantonness.
    It saves the body but coarsens and rots the soul.

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  153. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Enrique Cardova
    You ignorant twit, Central Asia is a geographic location, not a person, and central Asians were centuries in place before Europeans appeared.

    “You ignorant twit, Central Asia is a geographic location, not a person, and central Asians were centuries in place before Europeans appeared.”

    Much of Central Asia was Caucasian, but then Mongols swept in big time and messed up stuff as Tatars.

    There’s some movie to that effect.

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  154. Priss Factor [AKA "Sylia Stingray"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Priss Factor
    [It's not proper behavior to duplicate your very long comments on more than one post. A very short intro plus a link to your other comment is the right approach.]

    "Now with the SCOTUS making gay marriage the law of the land, I expect the same will happen with weddings. If women thought it was hard to get a man to commit today to marriage with a big wedding, wait until weddings become big ‘gay’ events. Hetero men will shun weddings as much as they do ballet today."

    This is why decent folks need to come up with a new cultural definition and practice of marriage.

    I say marriage should be rejected altogether, at least morally and culturally. Its meaning has been desecrated and defiled. I say let 'marriage' mean 'gay marriage'.
    Let the homos have it. If a filthy man puts his hand all over your donut, just let him have it.

    The meaning of marriage now should be: An institution that once used to unite man and woman in matrimony now degraded into celebration of filth by the decadent West dominated by Jews and their main allies, the homos.

    Marriage has been corrupted and defiled. It is worthless.

    For decent folks, it still has legal force, but it should have zero cultural meaning.

    So, what are decent folks to do?

    Come up with a CULTURAL terminology and definition of the true bio-moral union of man and woman.

    Suppose we call this 'Concordia'. Concordia will be culturally and morally defined by decent folks as bio-moral union of a real man and a real woman. (No trannies allowed).) Since it will be unambiguously defined this way, it can never be corrupted by homos and their backers.

    As for the ceremony of Concordia, suppose we name it 'symphonia'. Symphonia can only bless the union of man and woman in Concordia since it will be strictly defined as a rite in the service of Concordia and only Concordia. So, even though bakers are forced to make 'gay wedding cakes', they cannot be forced to make 'gay symphonia cakes' since symphonia will culturally be defined as the bio-moral union of man and woman. Symphonia cakes and services can only serve those involved with symphonia. It's like a Rabbi cannot be forced to preside over a Christian celebration. Rabbi is, by definition, a man who serves Jewish matters. He is under no cultural or spiritual obligation to serve other religions.

    'Gay symphonia' would be like 'Nazi Jew' or 'Communist Objectivist'. Just can't happen.

    Now, Concordia and Symphonia, as cultural institutions, would have no legal binding. But that is the beauty of it. It cannot be messed with the supreme court or whatever since it is a cultural reality and cultural institution and cultural movement.
    And since they'd be specifically defined and designed to serve the union of man and woman, homos and trannies can never undermine it.

    It's like Christmas is a cultural tradition and reality that honors the birth of Jesus. Therefore, Buddhists cannot demand a Buddhist Christmas, demanding that Christmas celebrate Buddha as well as Jesus.

    Jews who didn't care for Christmas made a big thing of Hannukah.

    Blacks who didn't care for Christmas came up with Kwanzaa.

    Decent folks who no longer care for marriage(desecrated and defiled) and wedding(now celebrating fruity garbage) should come up with something like Concordia and Symphonia.

    Since the meaning of 'marriage' and 'wedding' has been defiled by PC, it is time for a cultural revival of the bio-moral union of man and woman.
    As far as we are concerned, 'marriage' now means this garbage called 'gay marriage', and 'wedding' now means the union of two homos who wanna indulge in fecal-hole-penetration.

    A cultural shift to 'Concordia' and 'symphonia' could lead to a whole new movement.

    Decent folks should go through the process of de-marriage and then go through the process of re-commitment through ritual of Symphonia that binds man and woman in Concordia. Lots of money to be made in industries catering to Concordia and symphonia, especially in the South and Christian belt.

    Legally, people would still have to go through marriage process, but it would be strictly legal and nothing else.
    True meaning will come from cultural ritual and practices, and Concordia will be defined in a way that it only applies to decent folks engaged in proper sexual mating.

    A third concept could be 'Fidelia' that honors only those who come into sexual union within the race. Those who choose Fidelia will NOT REJECT members of the same race. Interracism is, after all, rejection of one's own people in favor of another.

    Concordia, Symphonia, and Fidelia. Cultural concepts that could be a boon to decent folks.

    “[It's not proper behavior to duplicate your very long comments on more than one post. A very short intro plus a link to your other comment is the right approach.]”

    It’s possible someone else had the same idea I have.

    [Playing totally dumb also isn't proper behavior]

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    Shiite, the eye of Unz must be hovering all over all the blogs.
  155. The sexual marketplace has become a savage free fire zone. In order to secure a high quality life mate for marriage I had to resort to tactics that as a teenager I would have considered deplorable, and borderline despicable. You can use game with enough practice even if it is contrary to your personality. But you pay a price, you have to break yourself mentally to make the transition. It beats celibacy, being unmarried, and ending up a genetic dead end though. Still, I resent the person I had to become and the means I had to stoop to in order to survive on this battlefield.

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    Game isn't necessary. Try confidence, and sociability, and screen girls rather than adapting to poor behavior.

    By redefining bad behavior by girls as timeless feminine techniques to test men, whose task it is to measure up, game has committed an enormous intellectual sleight of hand that leaves all the power in the hands of women, and excuses men for weakly putting up with poor behavior (and doing game instead of walking away is tolerating poor behavior)

    Girls don't act bad to test your masculinity. Believing they do will simply give her all the power to dictate the terms of the relationship.

    Girls act bad today because everyone does, and especially favored groups who have special status from being historical victims. These groups don't just get a pass, they are cheered for being obnoxious. Its the same reason blacks act bad today.

    If you prefer adapting to an unprincipled girls poor behavior better than celibacy, then you have the weaker hand, but at least don't kid yourself.
  156. The female investment in reproduction is far higher than males; this is just a fact of life.

    It’s a fact of life in many human societies, and perhaps that’s where we’re headed ourselves. Historically, however, men in Western societies invested just as much as women in their offspring.

    Women aren’t beating down the doors for older men. Even women in their 40s are chasing men not more than 6-7-8 years old.

    Over the age of 40, most single women are willing to consider a 10-year difference. It may be a handicap but it’s not a deal breaker. In any case, even a 5-year difference has a considerable impact on the mate market. A man in his late 20s is competing not only with men his own age but also with men in their early 30s. Do the math.

    I was curious if you had any studies that showed an STI reversal among whites.

    Chlamydia incidence was lower in women than in men in this study:

    From April to September 1993, 305 men and 447 women in Hamilton, Canada, consented to the collection of a urethral or cervical swab, respectively, for culture and 20 ml of first-void urine (FVU) for testing by the enzyme immunoassay Chlamydiazyme and by ligase chain reaction (LCR) in the form of a kit from Abbott Laboratories called LCx Chlamydia trachomatis. Evaluation of test performance with each specimen was calculated on the basis of an expanded “gold standard” of a patient found to be positive by culture or by a confirmed nonculture test. By using this expanded standard, the prevalence of infection was determined to be 6% (27/447) for the women and 18.4% (56/305) for the men

    http://jcm.asm.org/content/32/11/2682.short

    A senior Muslim politician has blamed unhappy arranged marriages to cousins for leading some Asian men to prey on vulnerable young white girls to fulfil their sexual needs.
    Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, Britain’s first Muslim peer

    A politician cannot be counted on to tell the truth. In the wake of the Rotherham scandal, Muslim leaders have had to provide some kind of explanation that would invite the least backlash. Hence the above. Politically, it would be difficult for Lord Ahmed to say: “It’s because Pakistani men are fascinated with white women, especially young ones on the brink of adolescence.”

    But yeah Professor Frost do you or do you not watch interracial porn?

    I answered that question. I don’t. When I was single I used to consume porn of the Playboy variety, but it was a very poor substitute (Does Renee Tenison count as interracial porn?). I don’t understand the many commenters here who say it’s just as good as the real thing. Either they don’t have girlfriends or they have crappy ones.

    a recent phenomenon I’ve come to notice in porn is white guys filming their wives with black men! This came to my attention after seeing a film by white guy explaining how to get your wife to sleep with a black man!

    I hope you cleaned up after you finished watching.

    All the above bodes ill for reversing white demographic decline. [..] Italy offers an example of grassroots resistance.

    I hope you’re right. Italy is on the frontline of the African tsunami. If I were a social conservative, I would leave the gays alone and concentrate on that issue.

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    "I hope you’re right. Italy is on the frontline of the African tsunami. If I were a social conservative, I would leave the gays alone and concentrate on that issue."

    Don't know...aren't there a lot of "social conservatives" of the Christian kind that actually hope and agitate for mass immigration of Africans (since they supposedly have such good family values, are religious and against gay marriage)? After all, the pope's for it...
    Anyway, I wanted to say thank you for your answer regarding sex ratio at birth, haven't had time yet to look closely at the literature, but sounds fascinating, and something I was completely unaware of.
    , @KFoy
    "I don’t understand the many commenters here who say it’s just as good as the real thing."

    Well if your only comparing to playboy magazine, it's not the right comparison. By the way I read an interesting article here at I think at unz.com that suggested this whole modern cuckoldly fanasty might be neuropathology, might be of interest to ye. Unless you wrote it!

    Also the obesity 'epidemic' needs to be addressed. Even if rates of obesity are equal between the sexes men are the bigger losers IMO.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Hmmm........ I posted a comment before and it must've gotten lost by the system.

    So let me try again.

    Chlamydia incidence was lower in women than in men in this study:

     

    Thanks for the link. That's an interesting study.

    Here's a question: You pointed out (in a previous article) that the gender ratio used to favor men, now it favors women. Back when women outnumbered men on the mating market, was there a trend towards female hypergamy? Did the "excess" females pair up with "alpha males" in previous decades?

    It'd seem like if females outnumber males, then the left over females would pair up with already paired-up men. Of course, traditional sexual restraints (not just conservative mores, but threat of disease and pregnancy) would've acted to constrain hypergamy.

    In post-WWI and post-WWII Europe, women outnumbered men. That must've warped the mating market.
    , @Enrique Cardova
    Peter says
    I hope you’re right. Italy is on the frontline of the African tsunami. If I were a social conservative, I would leave the gays alone and concentrate on that issue.

    The only thing is that there is no African tsunami pouring into Italy as a whole. Local areas like Lampesuda hit by localized surges? Sure. But overall, the proportion of said immigrants have actually been DECREASING in recent years as credible UN data shows, and a good proportion of refugees are not Africans at all but "Caucasoids" from the Middle East, primarily from the fighting in Syria and in the American bailiwick, Afghanistan.

    The "gay thing" is much more a problem for European demographic decline than such African boat people, who in any event have been declining in numbers overall. It is because: (a) the institution of marriage - the best place to create and raise children is being redefined in a destructive way, (b) more homosexuality takes healthy young white men out of the reproductive gene pool, adding yet ANOTHER nail in the demographic coffin. Italy gives an example of how the grassroots can to some extent slow down the "progressivist" and relativistic juggernaut, although, its own native population numbers have been dropping as well, just like the rest of Europe.

    Redefining a key institution that has promoted the stability and prosperity of Western society in the name of "gayness" is a lot more dangerous and will have much more negative fallout for Europe than some boatloads of African refugees, the numbers of which are declining anyway. Indeed the EU is already tightening rules to deport even more.
    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150423/1021271390.html

    It is of course easier to "pump up the base" around a non-white "enemy" as opposed to the hard, searching internal scrutiny and action on things that matter more. As conservative columnist Ben Shapiro says about the destruction of marriage- a key building block that is instrumental in restoring European families and population - and the real agenda behind it:


    Leftists have already moved to ban nonprofit status for religious institutions that refuse to acknowledge same-sex marriages; leftists have already sued into oblivion religious business owners who refuse to participate in same-sex weddings. It will not stop there. Religious schools will be targeted. Then, so will homeschooling programs. The secular religion of the left has been set free to pursue its own crusade against the infidel.
    Religious institutions were the key social glue binding Americans together; we trust one another because we share values, beliefs and social institutions with them. With all three of those elements being memory-holed by the government in favor of self-expression, social capital will disintegrate; our trust in each other will fall apart, and government will fill the gap. With this week's judicial tyranny, leftists move one step closer to their ultimate goal, as expressed at the 2012 Democratic National Convention: "Government is the only thing we all belong to." And that will be an ugly America indeed.
     
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    George says:
    By redefining bad behavior by girls as timeless feminine techniques to test men, whose task it is to measure up, game has committed an enormous intellectual sleight of hand that leaves all the power in the hands of women, and excuses men for weakly putting up with poor behavior (and doing game instead of walking away is tolerating poor behavior)

    Sure "Game" is exaggerated as a panacea in some quarters, but part of "game" is precisely, walking away, and doing that sometimes does help spike bad behavior. Nothing in "game" says you have to stand around dropping "negs" or framing narratives, when someone is acting badly. Hell, you walk.

    .
    Girls act bad today because everyone does, and especially favored groups who have special status from being historical victims. These groups don’t just get a pass, they are cheered for being obnoxious. Its the same reason blacks act bad today.

    Rather naive. Some women act bad as a manipulative ploy, and bad behavior does not get a pass automatically whether it be women or blacks. Say who? In what fantasy universe does this state exist? Real life and the Net is full of criticism directed towards bad behavior. And some of the harshest criticism by the way of women acting badly is not by "game" guys, but by other women. So called "free passes" ain't around much out there.

    .
    If you prefer adapting to an unprincipled girls poor behavior better than celibacy, then you have the weaker hand, but at least don’t kid yourself.

    Nothing in "game" says you have to hang around and adapt. You can try to reshape or redirect bad behavior, but you can also simply walk. "Game" is full of guys walking.. In fact if you don't walk now and then you aren't really doing "game." One of the first things you learn for example is to move on quickly to the next prospect, when the game ain't hitting. Walking away 1s an integral part of "game."

  157. @Salty
    The sexual marketplace has become a savage free fire zone. In order to secure a high quality life mate for marriage I had to resort to tactics that as a teenager I would have considered deplorable, and borderline despicable. You can use game with enough practice even if it is contrary to your personality. But you pay a price, you have to break yourself mentally to make the transition. It beats celibacy, being unmarried, and ending up a genetic dead end though. Still, I resent the person I had to become and the means I had to stoop to in order to survive on this battlefield.

    Game isn’t necessary. Try confidence, and sociability, and screen girls rather than adapting to poor behavior.

    By redefining bad behavior by girls as timeless feminine techniques to test men, whose task it is to measure up, game has committed an enormous intellectual sleight of hand that leaves all the power in the hands of women, and excuses men for weakly putting up with poor behavior (and doing game instead of walking away is tolerating poor behavior)

    Girls don’t act bad to test your masculinity. Believing they do will simply give her all the power to dictate the terms of the relationship.

    Girls act bad today because everyone does, and especially favored groups who have special status from being historical victims. These groups don’t just get a pass, they are cheered for being obnoxious. Its the same reason blacks act bad today.

    If you prefer adapting to an unprincipled girls poor behavior better than celibacy, then you have the weaker hand, but at least don’t kid yourself.

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    • Replies: @Simon in London
    I don't really understand this - in Game you 'measure up' by slapping down the bad behaviour - the shit test - which discourages such behaviour. Personally I've found the shit-test concept very useful for understanding and better dealing with women who do it - which can be at work as well as socially.

    I suppose earlier generations all knew that men and women think and behave differently, and Game would come across as a nasty way of stating the obvious, but for those of us raised to believe the same, who have suffered greatly as a result, the psych insights from Game theory are useful
    , @Salty
    I guess I was too subtle. Or you're reading what you want to into what I am saying.
  158. @George
    There is a cost to trying to be a bad boy that few mention, because I think most guys who talk about it, maybe all, don't actually apply it in the real world, or do it terribly.

    There was a period in my life when I was a genuine bad boy, and what happens is you are constantly being challenged by other men, in serious or subtle ways, but you gave to expend huge amounts of energy in conflict, sometimes petty, sometimes serious, with other men.

    Merely talking to a pretty girl in a cocky and arrogant way can elicit a challenge from another male in the vicinity who is offended by your airs.

    If you don't wish to spend your life fighting, either socially or even physically, dont be a bad boy.

    To think that an educated white collar person like roissy can handle the psychological pressure of that, or would even want to, is laughable.

    It was exhausting for me, and I was thrust into that situation by circumstances. Literally for anyone who had other options, there are much better ways of living.

    As a reformed bad boy, I can safely say that it is not essential to atracting women. There is a subset of women that love these guys, but they are far from the majority.

    Confidence and a sociable personality works fine. The bad boy stuff is an over reach that reflects more on the insecurities of guys who don't know what the lifestyle is like than on what most women actually like.

    Suburban white kids who over compensate for too much safety by glamorizing thug life is a staple of modern society. If they lived that life, they would find it neither heroic nor a world of strong, confident men. Its a world of men whose low status makes them hypervigilant and overreactive to threats to status, since they have to defend what little they have. It is not a world of strong men.

    Right on bro – and welcome back to the world of normal men. I have no respect for the man who goes hunting to snatch women from men that are his ‘rivals’. A confident man should recognize the humanity of his fellow and want for him to lead a dignified, un-threatened life with the woman he is with.

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  159. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    The problem is more and more women use these online dating sites like tinder where they literally have access to thousands of willing and interested men. An average woman on an app like tinder will match and get interest from most guys. Whereas you take an average guy and he will barely get any matches or interest. Women are extremely more selective when it comes to looks. I don’t understand where that ridiculous saying comes from that says men value looks more than women. In reality its the other way around. Just look at any dating site.

    By selecting the best looking males from online dating sites, that means that a select few men will have access to most of the women, and a majority of men will be left nothing (Just as the article says). This is in fact happening. Also with more and more women “sexually liberated” this means they’re not looking for a serious relationship in their 20′s. This in turn leads to more frivolous One night stands and friends with benefits relationships. In both cases women don’t care about exclusivity either. This again leads to more women for the select few guys.

    All of this is happening more and more among the younger than 30 demographic. It makes it harder and harder for young guys out there.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That's true, but most of those young women you describe are involved in sterile relationships. And by the time they're in their 30s and attract less interest from men and/or think about settling down, having a fertile relationship becomes much less viable and restricted, and some give up trying to have a fertile relationship altogether.
  160. @Enrique Cardova
    Do you not find it stark raving mad that the only etiquette these days is don’t beat them up or rape them? Of course customs matter.

    Yeah, well I remember when that book came out some years back called- "The Rules" - that there was talk of the return of etiquette, but most of the buzz and action based on the buzz seems to have vanished. Many people felt that so-called "Rules" seemed fake. Others defended them as a "return to sanity" in an era when the loss of old conventions, and expectations created an uncertain, unstable free for all dating/romance/marriage market.

    There is something to both sides. Rigidly and unrealistically applied it seemed some were using the "Rules" to pamper the egos of little "princesses." There was and still is some resentment out there on the part of guys, who said in a way of speaking- "Why should I kowtow to your female "rules" like some extra in your movie? Hell these days I can hit the dating sites, chat rooms, strip clubs, today's "willing" women, the Net, and other outlets to get what I want physically. Why should I invest all that energy in you, who ain't as "hot" as you think you are?"

    But on the other side proponents pointed to the free for all out there, with many women more than willing to "put out" sexually, or expected to "put out." And that both men and women were unsure of where the boundaries were. "The Rules" thing- which is really etiquette, alleviated some of the uncertainty and the pressure on both men and women. I think there is something to be said for this side of the equation too. Indeed as far as stable marriage material, most men do not want a girl who is known to flit from bed to bed, easily "putting out."

    .
    And I was speaking to Devlin’s specific point that this era is one where white men and women increasingly seem to simply not want each other because they don’t like each other, personally.

    Indeed, and I think this is due in part to changed power relations and economic factors. Women are doing well comparatively speaking, in schools, and in the workplace, and in politics too. The recession has been easier on females. Men simply aren't needed as in the traditional breadwinner/leader role of yesterday. Many of the young dudes I believe feel a sense of inadequacy. Here are all these females going to college for example and you got a dude with mediocre high school grades, on average, drifting and unsure of what he wants.

    Contrast with a determined, focused female. Companies are hiring them more, not guys. The old days when dudes could get a job down at the local factory and work there for 30 years, exiting with a good pension are long gone, and he associated jobs are long gone overseas. The Net has been part of the trend, and even "white collar" jobs now are being "outsourced." Who needs travel agents anymore for example? Or customer service reps for certain jobs when you got Microsoft and Cisco certified guys working for $5/hr equivalent overseas? Such factors weigh heavily.

    .
    My gripe is that more than female nature, hypergamy, exemplary males are setting a bad example by being cheap immature cads, which Devlins devotees are judging by what I can see, big fans of.

    The "cad" factor is part of the problem along with female hypergamy. Some females talk a good game about "the important things" but ain't gonna give you the time of day unless you are making more money than them or have some sort of status higher than them. It is even worse these days because many females (didn't say all) are doing relatively well- making good salaries, well educated. And on top of that more females these days are increasingly looks conscious. They want height, they want a fashionable, fit appearance and so on. Bubba with a few extra pounds down at the body shop need not apply. You see it on the dating sites all the time. Women have this long list of "deal breakers."

    So many of the white young men these days have taken on a "slacker" approach, or a f-you "cad" approach, which only poisons already tainted ground between the white sexes. Hell, if the "cads" are getting so much attention because they talk a better game, why shouldn't a regular dude also join their ranks, at some level? Hell, if everybody under 6 foot doesn't get the time of day on such and such a dating site from the "decent looking women" why bother with that etiquette and rejection BS? Why not play it cynical and manipulative? After all, the better looking women seem to more reward those who do.

    For some the virtual world is as good as or better than the real world. The porn merchants are serving up every conceivable fantasy a few clicks away for free. Who needs to put up with the rejection BS, and feeling inadequate when the dude can tailor any alternative, or fantasy he desires with a few clicks in the virtual world? And if needed can mesh that to some extent with the physical world via today's more widespread "put out" culture or efficient web-enabled prostitution?

    This is a main reason the PUA movement has caught on to the extent it has. Young men are withdrawing increasingly to these shorter-term alternatives. Now obviously this is not the whole picture, 100% everywhere, but you can see the pattern emerging in what Peter shows above.

    Now to add to all the above, pile on the growing homosexual and transsexual alternatives into the mix, and again young white men today are under significant pressure to NOT go the traditional marriage route. Indeed, the traditionally promiscuous "gay" lifestyle, especially among men, will have some impact on the institution of marriage- along with all the other impacts people have warned about. Bottom line- the institution is further devalued and weakened.

    .
    But there is not nothing but gloom and doom. You just have to know where the traditional people are.
    There is grounds for pessimism. All the above bodes ill for reversing white demographic decline. If people want to reverse white decline it is imperative that traditional institutions as marriage be stabilized, strengthened and maintain their prestige. Unfortunately the trend is going in the opposite direction. I would agree there is some ground for optimism in certain circumstances. But how do you find the traditional people?

    The best way is to build decentralized grassroots networks under a formula with a track record for moral revitalization, that can attract support across numerous communities. One of the best ways to do this is with grassroots religion, organized around a strong core message. This does not mean a central headquarters somewhere- the key is a grassroots network. This structure allows for plenty of diversity in non-essentials, including doctrine, but unity in core, "bottom line" essentials. Central headquarters can be hijacked or co-opted, and the mass brought into line like lemmings.

    For such grassroots networks to function effectively men need to step up to the plate and assume leadership. Again, religion has already built centuries long precedence for male leadership, which is another reason it is a credible vehicle. It is not the only vehicle, but it is one where a lot of the SOP has already been worked out- the wheel does not have to be reinvented.

    Italy offers an example of grassroots resistance. Strong family networks have staunchly resisted many excesses of "progressivism" including "gay" marriage. The elites may impose certain laws ON PAPER, but the grassroots can actually control the ground, and in turn, influence policies and events at higher levels. On an individual level, such networks of course are where the more traditional people are found.

    Appreciate the thoughts. Don’t think I’m not thinking by not responding in kind. I don’t know how old you are but I’m 28 and this is my advice cause you remind me of me six years ago over at alternative right. Do not waste your time thinking about white decline, white people, white americans. White People are the devil, according to white culture, which in america is synonymous with jewish culture. fine. let them have it, their doing a good job inviting the pendulum’s wrath. you will never go anywhere grass roots wise if you talk about white people. study the broad trends for sure, or go small grass roots for sure, but don’t go grass roots thinking about broad topics. you want to go broad start working on some good art and keep striving like faust. or keep doing what your doing, but impart your perspective elsewhere that’s not more like preaching to the quire. Don’t waste your energy preaching to the quire. And read as much G.K. Chesterton as you can.

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  161. @Simon in London
    >>My attitude toward game is like my attitude toward gender reassignment. Both are attempts to push the envelope of phenotypic plasticity beyond its usual limits,<<

    I think a certain amount of Game theory (the Roissy stuff) can be useful in helping young men not to pedestalise young women into unknowable goddesses. It's particularly useful for naturally shy, provider types, the denigrated 'betas', to help them 'act up' a bit and roleplay more towards the confident type that women actually want. This only works if they combine this with human empathy towards the girls and seek mutual benefit rather than exploitation, though - just as a practical matter, you have to be a good actor to be an effective cad. But helping decent guys overcome excessive reticence, and put on enough of a Game face to allow a girl to pretend to herself that he's a bit of a bad boy... well that's a good thing.

    “This only works if they combine this with human empathy towards the girls and seek mutual benefit rather than exploitation, though”

    As a father of daughters I wholeheartedly agree

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  162. @Peter Frost
    The female investment in reproduction is far higher than males; this is just a fact of life.

    It's a fact of life in many human societies, and perhaps that's where we're headed ourselves. Historically, however, men in Western societies invested just as much as women in their offspring.

    Women aren’t beating down the doors for older men. Even women in their 40s are chasing men not more than 6-7-8 years old.

    Over the age of 40, most single women are willing to consider a 10-year difference. It may be a handicap but it's not a deal breaker. In any case, even a 5-year difference has a considerable impact on the mate market. A man in his late 20s is competing not only with men his own age but also with men in their early 30s. Do the math.

    I was curious if you had any studies that showed an STI reversal among whites.

    Chlamydia incidence was lower in women than in men in this study:


    From April to September 1993, 305 men and 447 women in Hamilton, Canada, consented to the collection of a urethral or cervical swab, respectively, for culture and 20 ml of first-void urine (FVU) for testing by the enzyme immunoassay Chlamydiazyme and by ligase chain reaction (LCR) in the form of a kit from Abbott Laboratories called LCx Chlamydia trachomatis. Evaluation of test performance with each specimen was calculated on the basis of an expanded "gold standard" of a patient found to be positive by culture or by a confirmed nonculture test. By using this expanded standard, the prevalence of infection was determined to be 6% (27/447) for the women and 18.4% (56/305) for the men
     
    http://jcm.asm.org/content/32/11/2682.short

    A senior Muslim politician has blamed unhappy arranged marriages to cousins for leading some Asian men to prey on vulnerable young white girls to fulfil their sexual needs.
    Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, Britain’s first Muslim peer

    A politician cannot be counted on to tell the truth. In the wake of the Rotherham scandal, Muslim leaders have had to provide some kind of explanation that would invite the least backlash. Hence the above. Politically, it would be difficult for Lord Ahmed to say: "It's because Pakistani men are fascinated with white women, especially young ones on the brink of adolescence."

    But yeah Professor Frost do you or do you not watch interracial porn?

    I answered that question. I don't. When I was single I used to consume porn of the Playboy variety, but it was a very poor substitute (Does Renee Tenison count as interracial porn?). I don't understand the many commenters here who say it's just as good as the real thing. Either they don't have girlfriends or they have crappy ones.

    a recent phenomenon I’ve come to notice in porn is white guys filming their wives with black men! This came to my attention after seeing a film by white guy explaining how to get your wife to sleep with a black man!

    I hope you cleaned up after you finished watching.

    All the above bodes ill for reversing white demographic decline. [..] Italy offers an example of grassroots resistance.

    I hope you're right. Italy is on the frontline of the African tsunami. If I were a social conservative, I would leave the gays alone and concentrate on that issue.

    “I hope you’re right. Italy is on the frontline of the African tsunami. If I were a social conservative, I would leave the gays alone and concentrate on that issue.”

    Don’t know…aren’t there a lot of “social conservatives” of the Christian kind that actually hope and agitate for mass immigration of Africans (since they supposedly have such good family values, are religious and against gay marriage)? After all, the pope’s for it…
    Anyway, I wanted to say thank you for your answer regarding sex ratio at birth, haven’t had time yet to look closely at the literature, but sounds fascinating, and something I was completely unaware of.

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  163. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Priss Factor
    "[It's not proper behavior to duplicate your very long comments on more than one post. A very short intro plus a link to your other comment is the right approach.]"

    It's possible someone else had the same idea I have.

    [Playing totally dumb also isn't proper behavior]

    Shiite, the eye of Unz must be hovering all over all the blogs.

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  164. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    No matter how you look at it, there are a lot of unmarried women and unmarried men.

    So, if you really want to settle down, you can find one if you really look.

    Also, people have to be real. Most women are not fashion models. And most men are not Sean Conneries(even without the hair).

    Also, if a guy feels women are too childish, he must act dignified and bring her up to his level.

    If a gal finds men to be too infantile, she must do her best to tame the stupid fool–like the women try to do in Damsels in Distress.

    People need to watch The Godfather on how to be a real man. Be like Vito, and you’re half way there.

    As for the women, watch some Joan Crawford movies.

    And all you guys and girls: LOSE SOME WEIGHT!!

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  165. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    The problem is more and more women use these online dating sites like tinder where they literally have access to thousands of willing and interested men. An average woman on an app like tinder will match and get interest from most guys. Whereas you take an average guy and he will barely get any matches or interest. Women are extremely more selective when it comes to looks. I don't understand where that ridiculous saying comes from that says men value looks more than women. In reality its the other way around. Just look at any dating site.

    By selecting the best looking males from online dating sites, that means that a select few men will have access to most of the women, and a majority of men will be left nothing (Just as the article says). This is in fact happening. Also with more and more women "sexually liberated" this means they're not looking for a serious relationship in their 20's. This in turn leads to more frivolous One night stands and friends with benefits relationships. In both cases women don't care about exclusivity either. This again leads to more women for the select few guys.

    All of this is happening more and more among the younger than 30 demographic. It makes it harder and harder for young guys out there.

    That’s true, but most of those young women you describe are involved in sterile relationships. And by the time they’re in their 30s and attract less interest from men and/or think about settling down, having a fertile relationship becomes much less viable and restricted, and some give up trying to have a fertile relationship altogether.

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  166. @Truth
    Your sister "hooks up?" That's bad.

    Tell her she should date a nice young man until marriage, or at least for 3 months before giving up the goods.

    A man will never buy the cow....

    Hooks up? Not for 10 years maybe – serial monogamy more like.

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  167. @George
    There is a cost to trying to be a bad boy that few mention, because I think most guys who talk about it, maybe all, don't actually apply it in the real world, or do it terribly.

    There was a period in my life when I was a genuine bad boy, and what happens is you are constantly being challenged by other men, in serious or subtle ways, but you gave to expend huge amounts of energy in conflict, sometimes petty, sometimes serious, with other men.

    Merely talking to a pretty girl in a cocky and arrogant way can elicit a challenge from another male in the vicinity who is offended by your airs.

    If you don't wish to spend your life fighting, either socially or even physically, dont be a bad boy.

    To think that an educated white collar person like roissy can handle the psychological pressure of that, or would even want to, is laughable.

    It was exhausting for me, and I was thrust into that situation by circumstances. Literally for anyone who had other options, there are much better ways of living.

    As a reformed bad boy, I can safely say that it is not essential to atracting women. There is a subset of women that love these guys, but they are far from the majority.

    Confidence and a sociable personality works fine. The bad boy stuff is an over reach that reflects more on the insecurities of guys who don't know what the lifestyle is like than on what most women actually like.

    Suburban white kids who over compensate for too much safety by glamorizing thug life is a staple of modern society. If they lived that life, they would find it neither heroic nor a world of strong, confident men. Its a world of men whose low status makes them hypervigilant and overreactive to threats to status, since they have to defend what little they have. It is not a world of strong men.

    I agree with what you’re saying – I’m (obviously?) not advocating that beta white guys act like thugs. I guess I didn’t really mean ‘bad boy’ like that, just someone who’s not scared of women, not Politically Correct, just very slightly edgy – the vast majority of middle class white girls in the Anglosphere do not in fact want black thugs. In fact in the preference-by-race OKCupid data they clearly want white guys.

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    Women aren’t beating down the doors for older men. Even women in their 40s are chasing men not more than 6-7-8 years old.

     

    That's partly because women want sexually attractive partners. Older men typically don't have chiseled physiques, large muscles, and handsome features. However, I've noticed that good looking older guys (ie Pierce Brosnan types) do very well.

    http://cdn.gospelherald.com/data/images/full/6672/pierce-brosnan.jpg

    By the way, there seems to be an increase in the number of women engaging in paid sex, according to the General Social Survey. So some of these girls are likely pairing up with older men and becoming "Sugar babies." At the same time, anecdotal evidence suggests that many of these paid concubines also have younger male partners simultaneously.
  168. @George
    Game isn't necessary. Try confidence, and sociability, and screen girls rather than adapting to poor behavior.

    By redefining bad behavior by girls as timeless feminine techniques to test men, whose task it is to measure up, game has committed an enormous intellectual sleight of hand that leaves all the power in the hands of women, and excuses men for weakly putting up with poor behavior (and doing game instead of walking away is tolerating poor behavior)

    Girls don't act bad to test your masculinity. Believing they do will simply give her all the power to dictate the terms of the relationship.

    Girls act bad today because everyone does, and especially favored groups who have special status from being historical victims. These groups don't just get a pass, they are cheered for being obnoxious. Its the same reason blacks act bad today.

    If you prefer adapting to an unprincipled girls poor behavior better than celibacy, then you have the weaker hand, but at least don't kid yourself.

    I don’t really understand this – in Game you ‘measure up’ by slapping down the bad behaviour – the shit test – which discourages such behaviour. Personally I’ve found the shit-test concept very useful for understanding and better dealing with women who do it – which can be at work as well as socially.

    I suppose earlier generations all knew that men and women think and behave differently, and Game would come across as a nasty way of stating the obvious, but for those of us raised to believe the same, who have suffered greatly as a result, the psych insights from Game theory are useful

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  169. @Peter Frost
    The female investment in reproduction is far higher than males; this is just a fact of life.

    It's a fact of life in many human societies, and perhaps that's where we're headed ourselves. Historically, however, men in Western societies invested just as much as women in their offspring.

    Women aren’t beating down the doors for older men. Even women in their 40s are chasing men not more than 6-7-8 years old.

    Over the age of 40, most single women are willing to consider a 10-year difference. It may be a handicap but it's not a deal breaker. In any case, even a 5-year difference has a considerable impact on the mate market. A man in his late 20s is competing not only with men his own age but also with men in their early 30s. Do the math.

    I was curious if you had any studies that showed an STI reversal among whites.

    Chlamydia incidence was lower in women than in men in this study:


    From April to September 1993, 305 men and 447 women in Hamilton, Canada, consented to the collection of a urethral or cervical swab, respectively, for culture and 20 ml of first-void urine (FVU) for testing by the enzyme immunoassay Chlamydiazyme and by ligase chain reaction (LCR) in the form of a kit from Abbott Laboratories called LCx Chlamydia trachomatis. Evaluation of test performance with each specimen was calculated on the basis of an expanded "gold standard" of a patient found to be positive by culture or by a confirmed nonculture test. By using this expanded standard, the prevalence of infection was determined to be 6% (27/447) for the women and 18.4% (56/305) for the men
     
    http://jcm.asm.org/content/32/11/2682.short

    A senior Muslim politician has blamed unhappy arranged marriages to cousins for leading some Asian men to prey on vulnerable young white girls to fulfil their sexual needs.
    Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, Britain’s first Muslim peer

    A politician cannot be counted on to tell the truth. In the wake of the Rotherham scandal, Muslim leaders have had to provide some kind of explanation that would invite the least backlash. Hence the above. Politically, it would be difficult for Lord Ahmed to say: "It's because Pakistani men are fascinated with white women, especially young ones on the brink of adolescence."

    But yeah Professor Frost do you or do you not watch interracial porn?

    I answered that question. I don't. When I was single I used to consume porn of the Playboy variety, but it was a very poor substitute (Does Renee Tenison count as interracial porn?). I don't understand the many commenters here who say it's just as good as the real thing. Either they don't have girlfriends or they have crappy ones.

    a recent phenomenon I’ve come to notice in porn is white guys filming their wives with black men! This came to my attention after seeing a film by white guy explaining how to get your wife to sleep with a black man!

    I hope you cleaned up after you finished watching.

    All the above bodes ill for reversing white demographic decline. [..] Italy offers an example of grassroots resistance.

    I hope you're right. Italy is on the frontline of the African tsunami. If I were a social conservative, I would leave the gays alone and concentrate on that issue.

    “I don’t understand the many commenters here who say it’s just as good as the real thing.”

    Well if your only comparing to playboy magazine, it’s not the right comparison. By the way I read an interesting article here at I think at unz.com that suggested this whole modern cuckoldly fanasty might be neuropathology, might be of interest to ye. Unless you wrote it!

    Also the obesity ‘epidemic’ needs to be addressed. Even if rates of obesity are equal between the sexes men are the bigger losers IMO.

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  170. @Simon in London
    Yes, young Pakistani girls do get abused, often by much older male relatives. It happens indoors or in cars - when I see an old Pashtun guy sitting in his car with a young Pashtun girl on his lap, I'm a bit suspicious, but there's nothing obvious.

    Disturbing, but perhaps not surprising.

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  171. @Stealth
    And my experience is that the majority of working class black women are very open to that.

    This is true. I never dated a black woman, but I know they're more open to interracial dating than people think.

    Yes, I have dated many African-American women. Once they know you are interested they soon warm up.

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  172. @Simon

    The concept of the shit test is just a redefinition of the classic tactic adversaries of both sexes use to gain advantage in a variety of situations. They aggress against you to test your limits. When you establish limits, they back down.

    When I meet a girl, and she acts suddenly and inexplicably rude or challenging, I am familiar with that behavior from business contexts and do not romanticize it as an innocuous feminine attempt to measure my fitness for mating, and I do not glamorize my response as a demonstration of masculine virility that establishes my credentials as a mate.

    I recognize it as an aggressive power grab by a bad person who happens to be female, and understand that this person is immature and not suitable for an intimate relationship or even friendship.

    Shit tests, or simply challenging aggressive behavior designed to establish superiority (we don’t need a special phrase for it, its a well documented phenomenon), has its place in adversarial relationships, but is an illegitimate concept in the sphere of personal intimate relations, whether friendships or romance, where cooperation and benevolence are the key virtues that should be screened for.

    This is why I emphasize the importance of screening. Believe it or not, there are plenty of girls who never do shit tests.

    By sticking around with a girl who just did an aggressive power grab, even if you repel it for the moment, you are showing her that such behavior will not drive you away. You consent to a relationship of aggressive power grabs where equilibrium is established not on the basis of benevolent cooperation but rather on a dynamic of power grabs and resistance to power grabs, and that the only limitation is what she can get away with. You are ultimately rewarding the shit test and legitimizing it.

    This is why PUAs report that you can never “relax” your game – because you have conceded that the relationship is one of non-cooperative power grabs. Married gamers report that it is a lifelong process- the ‘testing’ never ends. Because you have decided to form a relationship with someone incapable of cooperative intimacy.

    The only correct response to a shit test is to walk away – as fast as you can.

    The theory that successfully repelling a shit test builds attraction in a woman is false. We see women who abuse and control their partners all the time. My sister, who is very attractive, had a string of boyfriends she abused and controlled before she got married – and then proceeded to bully and control her husband. Such men have failed to pass the shit test and yet women still form relationships with them and have sex with them proving the shit is unrelated to attraction. Its a naked power grab, no more.

    I am still young and date heavily. I employ a simple mechanism. Any shit test, I walk, no questions asked. It has not hurt my love life one bit, and has made my life immeasurably better.

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    • Replies: @Simon in London
    "I am still young and date heavily. I employ a simple mechanism. Any shit test, I walk, no questions asked. It has not hurt my love life one bit, and has made my life immeasurably better."

    Do you override them when they act silly/over-emotional? I had trouble learning that women don't want the acquiescence they claim to want from men; they want take-charge. I guess this is what I'm thinking older generations knew, and people outside Feminist-influenced NW-European societies (inc Anglosphere) still know.
  173. @Priss Factor
    There are two sides to race-mixing.

    The side that is emphasized is the acceptance of another race.

    That sounds oh-so-positive.

    But there is also the side that REJECTS one's own race, often consciously as inferior.

    So, interracism is racist. Black men find black women to be inferior, and increasing number of white women find white men to be inferior to black men.
    They are weaned from cradle on rap music, black-dominated sports, and jungle fever talk with friends. As high schools integrate, more white high school girls will play cheerleader for black athletes.

    And PC beats up on the White Male constantly. There is no pride attached to being a white male unless he is a homo, but then, being a homo means he is not interested in white women.

    Imagine that. Only a white fruitcake or a white guy who cuts off his penis is worthy of pride in our PC order.

    You’re incorrect about white males being squeezed out the American mating market.

    http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/race_affects/Reply-By-Race-Male.png

    As the above link demonstrates, white males get the highest response rate overall in online dating. Sure white men lose some women to black men, but they get lots of Hispanic, Asian, and Indian women. So it’s not that bad.

    As I’ve pointed out many times in thread, the true losers in the sexual market are Indian/Pak men and (to a lesser extent) East Asian men.

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    "You’re incorrect about white males being squeezed out the American mating market."

    It depends on where.

    Sure, white males still get most responses in dating sites, but any increase in white female interest in black men means a threat to white males.

    Also, in lower-income integrated neighborhoods, white males do get squeezed out cuz they're bullied and emasculated by black men.

    At least when white culture and black culture were different -- with white kids listening to their own music and black kids listening to their own music -- , most poor white girls stuck with white guys. But rap music culture has made white girls dance to black music, and that makes them go after negroes who wussify white boys.

    I've seen it all around in depressed neighborhoods in Tennessee and Kentucky.
  174. @Peter Frost
    The female investment in reproduction is far higher than males; this is just a fact of life.

    It's a fact of life in many human societies, and perhaps that's where we're headed ourselves. Historically, however, men in Western societies invested just as much as women in their offspring.

    Women aren’t beating down the doors for older men. Even women in their 40s are chasing men not more than 6-7-8 years old.

    Over the age of 40, most single women are willing to consider a 10-year difference. It may be a handicap but it's not a deal breaker. In any case, even a 5-year difference has a considerable impact on the mate market. A man in his late 20s is competing not only with men his own age but also with men in their early 30s. Do the math.

    I was curious if you had any studies that showed an STI reversal among whites.

    Chlamydia incidence was lower in women than in men in this study:


    From April to September 1993, 305 men and 447 women in Hamilton, Canada, consented to the collection of a urethral or cervical swab, respectively, for culture and 20 ml of first-void urine (FVU) for testing by the enzyme immunoassay Chlamydiazyme and by ligase chain reaction (LCR) in the form of a kit from Abbott Laboratories called LCx Chlamydia trachomatis. Evaluation of test performance with each specimen was calculated on the basis of an expanded "gold standard" of a patient found to be positive by culture or by a confirmed nonculture test. By using this expanded standard, the prevalence of infection was determined to be 6% (27/447) for the women and 18.4% (56/305) for the men
     
    http://jcm.asm.org/content/32/11/2682.short

    A senior Muslim politician has blamed unhappy arranged marriages to cousins for leading some Asian men to prey on vulnerable young white girls to fulfil their sexual needs.
    Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, Britain’s first Muslim peer

    A politician cannot be counted on to tell the truth. In the wake of the Rotherham scandal, Muslim leaders have had to provide some kind of explanation that would invite the least backlash. Hence the above. Politically, it would be difficult for Lord Ahmed to say: "It's because Pakistani men are fascinated with white women, especially young ones on the brink of adolescence."

    But yeah Professor Frost do you or do you not watch interracial porn?

    I answered that question. I don't. When I was single I used to consume porn of the Playboy variety, but it was a very poor substitute (Does Renee Tenison count as interracial porn?). I don't understand the many commenters here who say it's just as good as the real thing. Either they don't have girlfriends or they have crappy ones.

    a recent phenomenon I’ve come to notice in porn is white guys filming their wives with black men! This came to my attention after seeing a film by white guy explaining how to get your wife to sleep with a black man!

    I hope you cleaned up after you finished watching.

    All the above bodes ill for reversing white demographic decline. [..] Italy offers an example of grassroots resistance.

    I hope you're right. Italy is on the frontline of the African tsunami. If I were a social conservative, I would leave the gays alone and concentrate on that issue.

    Hmmm…….. I posted a comment before and it must’ve gotten lost by the system.

    So let me try again.

    Chlamydia incidence was lower in women than in men in this study:

    Thanks for the link. That’s an interesting study.

    Here’s a question: You pointed out (in a previous article) that the gender ratio used to favor men, now it favors women. Back when women outnumbered men on the mating market, was there a trend towards female hypergamy? Did the “excess” females pair up with “alpha males” in previous decades?

    It’d seem like if females outnumber males, then the left over females would pair up with already paired-up men. Of course, traditional sexual restraints (not just conservative mores, but threat of disease and pregnancy) would’ve acted to constrain hypergamy.

    In post-WWI and post-WWII Europe, women outnumbered men. That must’ve warped the mating market.

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  175. @Simon in London
    I agree with what you're saying - I'm (obviously?) not advocating that beta white guys act like thugs. I guess I didn't really mean 'bad boy' like that, just someone who's not scared of women, not Politically Correct, just very slightly edgy - the vast majority of middle class white girls in the Anglosphere do not in fact want black thugs. In fact in the preference-by-race OKCupid data they clearly want white guys.

    Women aren’t beating down the doors for older men. Even women in their 40s are chasing men not more than 6-7-8 years old.

    That’s partly because women want sexually attractive partners. Older men typically don’t have chiseled physiques, large muscles, and handsome features. However, I’ve noticed that good looking older guys (ie Pierce Brosnan types) do very well.

    http://cdn.gospelherald.com/data/images/full/6672/pierce-brosnan.jpg

    By the way, there seems to be an increase in the number of women engaging in paid sex, according to the General Social Survey. So some of these girls are likely pairing up with older men and becoming “Sugar babies.” At the same time, anecdotal evidence suggests that many of these paid concubines also have younger male partners simultaneously.

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    I'm in my late 40s and have always been scrawny, no muscularity at all. I am currently dating a 30 year old girl. She feels great physical attraction towards me. We come from very different backgrounds. I am a wimpy Jewish guy and she is a Hispanic hoochie mama, as ghetto as can be. I'm not sure why she's so drawn towards me but it really pumps my confidence. She is not my ideal, but I gladly take her over over a woman my age going through menopause. She is not the brightest girl (I have to explain some rather simple words to her that I use in my everyday vocabulary) but once again I'll take her and her relative youth over a woman my age with a similar IQ as myself. I like that she dolls herself up and is in touch with her sensuality. She has a larger sexual appetite than I do. I have more younger women flirting with me now than when I was young. I am absolutely positive you don't need a muscular build to attract younger women.
    , @Enrique Cardova
    lol, well reading Chesterton is good advice. But an older guy like me has seen the value of grassroots. Back in the 1980s, I saw how neighborhood block associations helped spike crime and delinquency. People in those groups would work with the cops, report suspicious activity, and one or two even ran informal patrols. Some women opened up their houses after school to little kids walking home from school- kept them on track. Then the block association threw block parties where everybody came and had a good time. It definitely helped. Not everyone on the block was active, but the leadership of a core group of enthusiasts had a significant spillover effect. That was an effective grassroots solution, that did not depend on the political elites or the local political machinery. A lot of these things were worked out informally at low levels. Some cops simply swung their patrol cars around more frequently through the area, without a whole bunch of bureaucratic BS.

    Home-schoolers do this type of thing a lot- they are a good example of grassroots organization. But what kind of grassroots organization will work to get those young white males back on track to be reproducing and such? The quickest, proven one is religion, or religion-friendly organization, provided it is grassroots in such a fashion that if the leadership caves in to elites or the media complex, hardened ground level nodes of the network will still keep going strong. Religion is a good vehicle because the network needs to build moral communities based on certain core bottom lines, such as the importance of marriage, long-term thinking, etc etc. IF properly organized, it does not have to be united around a particular charismatic leader, or agree on all points of doctrine, or get bogged down in ever changing, ever-shifting political tides. The bottom lines are the key base. There are other grassroots alternatives to the current media-politico-bureaucratic complex of course.

    Today's young white man faces huge pressures. It is not simply the sneering feminists, or the liberal elites, or the media. There are pressures from below as well. Porn as Peter notes is a typical response for the increasingly alienated young, single white, dude. It may serve as more than a release. Unfettered porn for example can be an excellent gateway towards luring some into the "gay" machinery. Whatever the final result- whether alienated "opt out" or the gay/transsexual thing, a desensitization process is at work. More and more doses, in different guises, some subtle, some not so subtle, create less sensitivity. The gate is then opened a little bit wider to the slope beyond. And so it goes, little by little, downward. When coupled with societal approval or "political correctness" it becomes a potent double force pulling white young men on to the slope. This is not the case with all such men obviously, but you can see where the pressure is tending.
  176. @George
    There is a cost to trying to be a bad boy that few mention, because I think most guys who talk about it, maybe all, don't actually apply it in the real world, or do it terribly.

    There was a period in my life when I was a genuine bad boy, and what happens is you are constantly being challenged by other men, in serious or subtle ways, but you gave to expend huge amounts of energy in conflict, sometimes petty, sometimes serious, with other men.

    Merely talking to a pretty girl in a cocky and arrogant way can elicit a challenge from another male in the vicinity who is offended by your airs.

    If you don't wish to spend your life fighting, either socially or even physically, dont be a bad boy.

    To think that an educated white collar person like roissy can handle the psychological pressure of that, or would even want to, is laughable.

    It was exhausting for me, and I was thrust into that situation by circumstances. Literally for anyone who had other options, there are much better ways of living.

    As a reformed bad boy, I can safely say that it is not essential to atracting women. There is a subset of women that love these guys, but they are far from the majority.

    Confidence and a sociable personality works fine. The bad boy stuff is an over reach that reflects more on the insecurities of guys who don't know what the lifestyle is like than on what most women actually like.

    Suburban white kids who over compensate for too much safety by glamorizing thug life is a staple of modern society. If they lived that life, they would find it neither heroic nor a world of strong, confident men. Its a world of men whose low status makes them hypervigilant and overreactive to threats to status, since they have to defend what little they have. It is not a world of strong men.

    It’s possible to be tough without being thuggish.

    Just lift weights and get cut. An aggressive look and muscular physique intimidates people, even if you don’t behave in a violent manner. Also, speak in a deep voice and act confident/commanding.

    Lots of women go for the “strong and silent type.” The trick is that you have to exhibit stoicisim in your emotions and act laconic. You also have to have masculine habits, like watching football, driving a Camaro, and shooting guns.

    If you want an image of what a highly masculine white male looks like, spend time around east coast ethnics (Italian/Irish) or rural rednecks.

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    People who cultivate an aggressive look and demeanor do so out of a need to defend against challenges to very low status. Its called "low status compensation theory", look it up.

    They've done studies where people who imagine themselves being respected and recognized as high status are less likely to violently respond to provocation and insult.

    Hypervigilance towards insult is a feature of low status-anxious men.

    Besides, all that will be a severe disadvantage with educated, refined women. I live in NYC - the cool girls are not exactly lining up for the Irish and Italian guys here.

    I have no wish to be intimidating towards people or over-emphasize stoicism and machoness in inappropriate situations - that can only ever be a compensation to a reduced sense of ability to defend against genuine threat (i.e as is indeed the case with low status men, who have few resources to deal with life)

    I've lived in the world where this kind of behavior is necessary - I've emerged from it and have no wish to go back. Trust me, it isn't a world of strong self-confident men.
  177. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @JohnnyWalker123
    You're incorrect about white males being squeezed out the American mating market.

    http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/race_affects/Reply-By-Race-Male.png

    As the above link demonstrates, white males get the highest response rate overall in online dating. Sure white men lose some women to black men, but they get lots of Hispanic, Asian, and Indian women. So it's not that bad.

    As I've pointed out many times in thread, the true losers in the sexual market are Indian/Pak men and (to a lesser extent) East Asian men.

    “You’re incorrect about white males being squeezed out the American mating market.”

    It depends on where.

    Sure, white males still get most responses in dating sites, but any increase in white female interest in black men means a threat to white males.

    Also, in lower-income integrated neighborhoods, white males do get squeezed out cuz they’re bullied and emasculated by black men.

    At least when white culture and black culture were different — with white kids listening to their own music and black kids listening to their own music — , most poor white girls stuck with white guys. But rap music culture has made white girls dance to black music, and that makes them go after negroes who wussify white boys.

    I’ve seen it all around in depressed neighborhoods in Tennessee and Kentucky.

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  178. @JohnnyWalker123
    It's possible to be tough without being thuggish.

    Just lift weights and get cut. An aggressive look and muscular physique intimidates people, even if you don't behave in a violent manner. Also, speak in a deep voice and act confident/commanding.

    Lots of women go for the "strong and silent type." The trick is that you have to exhibit stoicisim in your emotions and act laconic. You also have to have masculine habits, like watching football, driving a Camaro, and shooting guns.

    If you want an image of what a highly masculine white male looks like, spend time around east coast ethnics (Italian/Irish) or rural rednecks.

    People who cultivate an aggressive look and demeanor do so out of a need to defend against challenges to very low status. Its called “low status compensation theory”, look it up.

    They’ve done studies where people who imagine themselves being respected and recognized as high status are less likely to violently respond to provocation and insult.

    Hypervigilance towards insult is a feature of low status-anxious men.

    Besides, all that will be a severe disadvantage with educated, refined women. I live in NYC – the cool girls are not exactly lining up for the Irish and Italian guys here.

    I have no wish to be intimidating towards people or over-emphasize stoicism and machoness in inappropriate situations – that can only ever be a compensation to a reduced sense of ability to defend against genuine threat (i.e as is indeed the case with low status men, who have few resources to deal with life)

    I’ve lived in the world where this kind of behavior is necessary – I’ve emerged from it and have no wish to go back. Trust me, it isn’t a world of strong self-confident men.

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  179. @Enrique Cardova
    Do you not find it stark raving mad that the only etiquette these days is don’t beat them up or rape them? Of course customs matter.

    Yeah, well I remember when that book came out some years back called- "The Rules" - that there was talk of the return of etiquette, but most of the buzz and action based on the buzz seems to have vanished. Many people felt that so-called "Rules" seemed fake. Others defended them as a "return to sanity" in an era when the loss of old conventions, and expectations created an uncertain, unstable free for all dating/romance/marriage market.

    There is something to both sides. Rigidly and unrealistically applied it seemed some were using the "Rules" to pamper the egos of little "princesses." There was and still is some resentment out there on the part of guys, who said in a way of speaking- "Why should I kowtow to your female "rules" like some extra in your movie? Hell these days I can hit the dating sites, chat rooms, strip clubs, today's "willing" women, the Net, and other outlets to get what I want physically. Why should I invest all that energy in you, who ain't as "hot" as you think you are?"

    But on the other side proponents pointed to the free for all out there, with many women more than willing to "put out" sexually, or expected to "put out." And that both men and women were unsure of where the boundaries were. "The Rules" thing- which is really etiquette, alleviated some of the uncertainty and the pressure on both men and women. I think there is something to be said for this side of the equation too. Indeed as far as stable marriage material, most men do not want a girl who is known to flit from bed to bed, easily "putting out."

    .
    And I was speaking to Devlin’s specific point that this era is one where white men and women increasingly seem to simply not want each other because they don’t like each other, personally.

    Indeed, and I think this is due in part to changed power relations and economic factors. Women are doing well comparatively speaking, in schools, and in the workplace, and in politics too. The recession has been easier on females. Men simply aren't needed as in the traditional breadwinner/leader role of yesterday. Many of the young dudes I believe feel a sense of inadequacy. Here are all these females going to college for example and you got a dude with mediocre high school grades, on average, drifting and unsure of what he wants.

    Contrast with a determined, focused female. Companies are hiring them more, not guys. The old days when dudes could get a job down at the local factory and work there for 30 years, exiting with a good pension are long gone, and he associated jobs are long gone overseas. The Net has been part of the trend, and even "white collar" jobs now are being "outsourced." Who needs travel agents anymore for example? Or customer service reps for certain jobs when you got Microsoft and Cisco certified guys working for $5/hr equivalent overseas? Such factors weigh heavily.

    .
    My gripe is that more than female nature, hypergamy, exemplary males are setting a bad example by being cheap immature cads, which Devlins devotees are judging by what I can see, big fans of.

    The "cad" factor is part of the problem along with female hypergamy. Some females talk a good game about "the important things" but ain't gonna give you the time of day unless you are making more money than them or have some sort of status higher than them. It is even worse these days because many females (didn't say all) are doing relatively well- making good salaries, well educated. And on top of that more females these days are increasingly looks conscious. They want height, they want a fashionable, fit appearance and so on. Bubba with a few extra pounds down at the body shop need not apply. You see it on the dating sites all the time. Women have this long list of "deal breakers."

    So many of the white young men these days have taken on a "slacker" approach, or a f-you "cad" approach, which only poisons already tainted ground between the white sexes. Hell, if the "cads" are getting so much attention because they talk a better game, why shouldn't a regular dude also join their ranks, at some level? Hell, if everybody under 6 foot doesn't get the time of day on such and such a dating site from the "decent looking women" why bother with that etiquette and rejection BS? Why not play it cynical and manipulative? After all, the better looking women seem to more reward those who do.

    For some the virtual world is as good as or better than the real world. The porn merchants are serving up every conceivable fantasy a few clicks away for free. Who needs to put up with the rejection BS, and feeling inadequate when the dude can tailor any alternative, or fantasy he desires with a few clicks in the virtual world? And if needed can mesh that to some extent with the physical world via today's more widespread "put out" culture or efficient web-enabled prostitution?

    This is a main reason the PUA movement has caught on to the extent it has. Young men are withdrawing increasingly to these shorter-term alternatives. Now obviously this is not the whole picture, 100% everywhere, but you can see the pattern emerging in what Peter shows above.

    Now to add to all the above, pile on the growing homosexual and transsexual alternatives into the mix, and again young white men today are under significant pressure to NOT go the traditional marriage route. Indeed, the traditionally promiscuous "gay" lifestyle, especially among men, will have some impact on the institution of marriage- along with all the other impacts people have warned about. Bottom line- the institution is further devalued and weakened.

    .
    But there is not nothing but gloom and doom. You just have to know where the traditional people are.
    There is grounds for pessimism. All the above bodes ill for reversing white demographic decline. If people want to reverse white decline it is imperative that traditional institutions as marriage be stabilized, strengthened and maintain their prestige. Unfortunately the trend is going in the opposite direction. I would agree there is some ground for optimism in certain circumstances. But how do you find the traditional people?

    The best way is to build decentralized grassroots networks under a formula with a track record for moral revitalization, that can attract support across numerous communities. One of the best ways to do this is with grassroots religion, organized around a strong core message. This does not mean a central headquarters somewhere- the key is a grassroots network. This structure allows for plenty of diversity in non-essentials, including doctrine, but unity in core, "bottom line" essentials. Central headquarters can be hijacked or co-opted, and the mass brought into line like lemmings.

    For such grassroots networks to function effectively men need to step up to the plate and assume leadership. Again, religion has already built centuries long precedence for male leadership, which is another reason it is a credible vehicle. It is not the only vehicle, but it is one where a lot of the SOP has already been worked out- the wheel does not have to be reinvented.

    Italy offers an example of grassroots resistance. Strong family networks have staunchly resisted many excesses of "progressivism" including "gay" marriage. The elites may impose certain laws ON PAPER, but the grassroots can actually control the ground, and in turn, influence policies and events at higher levels. On an individual level, such networks of course are where the more traditional people are found.

    And I was speaking to Devlin’s specific point that this era is one where white men and women increasingly seem to simply not want each other because they don’t like each other, personally.

    Bingo.

    And this is what has led to the rise, I believe in so many white women being arrested for statutory rape. I personally know two white female schoolteachers who have. I lot of white women don’t really want to be with another race, but are incredibly bored / disdainful of “normal” (read; they’re own age) white men that they are willing to risk a jail sentence.

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  180. @George123
    @Simon

    The concept of the shit test is just a redefinition of the classic tactic adversaries of both sexes use to gain advantage in a variety of situations. They aggress against you to test your limits. When you establish limits, they back down.

    When I meet a girl, and she acts suddenly and inexplicably rude or challenging, I am familiar with that behavior from business contexts and do not romanticize it as an innocuous feminine attempt to measure my fitness for mating, and I do not glamorize my response as a demonstration of masculine virility that establishes my credentials as a mate.

    I recognize it as an aggressive power grab by a bad person who happens to be female, and understand that this person is immature and not suitable for an intimate relationship or even friendship.

    Shit tests, or simply challenging aggressive behavior designed to establish superiority (we don't need a special phrase for it, its a well documented phenomenon), has its place in adversarial relationships, but is an illegitimate concept in the sphere of personal intimate relations, whether friendships or romance, where cooperation and benevolence are the key virtues that should be screened for.

    This is why I emphasize the importance of screening. Believe it or not, there are plenty of girls who never do shit tests.

    By sticking around with a girl who just did an aggressive power grab, even if you repel it for the moment, you are showing her that such behavior will not drive you away. You consent to a relationship of aggressive power grabs wh