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Turkey is back in the game in Syria. Turkish tanks and special forces last week joined anti-Assad rebels to capture the border town of Jarabulus from Isis. It was the first significant Turkish ground operation in Syria since the beginning of the war in 2011. The immediate target was Isis, but a more important Turkish objective is to strike at the political and military power of the Syrian Kurds who are already in control of much of the territory south of the Syrian-Turkish frontier.

The war in Syria has reached a critical moment which may see it de-escalate or explode into even greater violence. US Secretary of State John Kerry and the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov met on Friday in Geneva with the aim of reaching a political and military cooperation agreement. Asked to identify the main obstacle to a ceasefire, Mr Lavrov said: “I don’t want to spoil the atmosphere for the negotiations.” Moscow has already proposed a 48-hour ceasefire in Aleppo.

It is as if all side are consolidating their positions in expectation of a shift towards more war or greater peace. As Mr Kerry and Mr Lavrov met in Geneva, ambulances, buses and trucks were assembling outside the rebel-held suburb of Daraya in Damascus which government forces besieged for four years. Under an agreement reached on Thursday, some 4,000 anti-Assad fighters and local people are to be evacuated to rebel-held areas.

But government control is not extending everywhere in Syria as in the north eastern provincial capital of Hasakah Syrian Kurdish fighters have driven out the Syrian Army and its local paramilitary allies from most of the city.

The biggest change in the political and military landscape is the Turkish intervention, though its extent remains unclear. The aim may be primarily defensive, limited to controlling the zone between Jarabulus and the Kurdish enclave of Afrin 70 miles to the west through Arab and Turkoman proxies backed by the Turkish armed forces. Alternatively, Turkey could build up an anti-Assad and anti-Kurdish base area north of Aleppo making it a main player in the region. The first purpose is already largely achieved with apparent US support, Russian tolerance and muted criticism from the Damascus government, suggesting that Turkish action was not unexpected by all three.

Broader Turkish involvement, though tempting to some in Ankara, would embroil Turkey in the lethal swamp lands of the Syrian-Iraqi war. Turkey may be able to prevent the Kurds permanently extending their rule west of the Euphrates, but it would be a very different and more dangerous operation to attack the de facto Syrian Kurdish state, which has spread itself between the Euphrates and the Tigris rivers since the Syrian Army largely withdrew from the region in 2012. At the same time, so long as this Kurdish quasi-state exists. the Turkish state is endangered.

It is an iron rule of politics in the Middle East that everybody at some point overplays their hand. The Israelis did so when they invaded and tried to dominate Lebanon in 1982 and the Americans did the same when they overthrew Saddam Hussein in 2003 and sought to become the predominant power in Iraq. The Syrian Kurds used the military effectiveness of their 50,000 fighters (these are there numbers which may be exaggerated) and the massive destructive firepower provided by the US air force, to overrun much of north east of Syria over the last eighteen months. Buoyed up by their victory over IS in the four-and-a-half siege of Kobani, which ended in early 2015, the ruling Democratic Union Party (PYD), the Syrian arm of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) in Turkey – and their formidable paramilitary forces, the People’s Protection Units (YPG) – have repeatedly defeated Isis.

But they too may have gone a step too far, advancing beyond the point that they could rely on the support of their US and Russian allies to stop Turkey intervening. The capture of the town of Manbij from Isis on 12 August by the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), a grouping dominated by the YPG, led to a further move towards Jarabulus to the north and Isis-held al-Bab to the east. This finally precipitated Turkish military intervention which had been under consideration for over a year. Turkey was faced with disaster in Syria, where it had failed to depose President Bashar al-Assad and opened the door to a section of the PKK, at war with the Turkish state for 32 years, setting up its own well-armed state. With a sanctuary in northern Syria, the PKK could sustain a guerrilla war in Turkey for as long as it wanted (much as the Taliban is undefeatable in Afghanistan because of its sanctuaries in Pakistan). IS, to whose activities Turkish intelligence had once turned a blind eye when it did not provide covert assistance, was carrying out repeated terrorist bomb attacks in Turkey.

A Syrian Kurdish state-let fuelling a guerrilla war inside Turkey is already a reality and Turkish military intervention has long been on the cards. Delaying it was the YPG’s position as the most powerful US ally on the ground in Syria. US-Turkish relations deteriorated because of Turkey’s failure to seal the Syrian-Turkish border against Isis and other Jihadis from the north, so the US was happy to see the YPG do so from the south on the Syrian side of the frontier. The US did not want the YPG diverted from fighting Isis by Turkish action while Russia, one of whose aircraft was shot down by Turkish planes on 24 November 2015, was determinedly against Turkish military intervention.


The multi-sided war in Syria is becoming even more complex than before. The Syrian and Iraqi Kurds have made great advances on the ground that they could not have carried out without international – and primarily American – support. The YPG is today fighting in areas that have mixed Kurdish and Arab populations or where the Kurds are a minority. The Iraqi Kurds used the opportunity presented by the IS capture of Mosul in 2014, to seize territory long disputed with the Iraqi government in Baghdad. Kurdish leaders know there will be a day of reckoning and have long pondered how to keep their gains once their foreign allies no longer feel threatened by Isis and need their support.

All factions in Syria are to a greater or lesser degree the proxies of foreign powers and cannot go on fighting without their backing. These parties, regardless of whether they are pro or anti-Assad, Shia or Sunni, Arab or Kurdish, try to manipulate their foreign allies, suspecting that they will one day betray them in order to serve their own interests. But Syrian contenders cannot do without these foreign allies: President Assad would like to fight on until victory but must have the backing of Russia, Iran and the Shia in Iraq and Lebanon. The anti-Assad Jihadis dominate the armed opposition in Syria, but cannot fight without backing from Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

As Mr Kerry and Mr Lavrov meet in Geneva, the warring parties in Syria wonder what agreements were reached behind their backs about Turkish intervention and other matters. Paranoid by nature but with good reason for their suspicions, they will ask if they re about to be sold out or, more probably, the sell-out has already happened.

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  1. {in Syria as in the north eastern provincial capital of Hasakah Syrian Kurdish fighters have driven out the Syrian Army and its local paramilitary allies from most of the city.}

    The terrorist kurds are not ‘winning’ by themselves, rather the US criminals are giving them arms and media coverage to grab more lands, like the Zionist jews, to erect the second Israel against the regional states, impostor. Why don’t you tell the truth for a change.

    This situation is like WWI, or WWII, where criminal British empire used Arabs, Jews to destroy the Ottoman, but at the end did not give Arabs what they wanted. They cut the land into many smaller pieces, to put one against the other to construct chaos at the time of needs, so they can come back again and do the same criminal act by committing crimes against humanity. Today, the criminal USG – Israel- Britain and their puppet, Turkey – Saudis- Qattar, are doing the same

    The kurds have no option except to stop working for the evils, USG and the Zionists, otherwise, they will be crashed beyond recognition.

  2. Rehmat says:

    Kurd problem was created by the British and French colonialist after the WWI as Crusaders’ revenge against Kurd Sultan Salahuddin Ayubi. The colonists divided Kurd land among Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran.

    There are over 100,000 Kurd Jews living in Israel. After the fall of Saddam Hussein, USrael was able to establish a pro-Israel Kurdistan in southern Iraq. A few years ago former Israeli president Shimon Peres asked Barack Obama to help Kurds living in Iran, Syria and Turkey to join Iraqi Kurdistan in order to establish a united Kurdistan.

    In July 2016, Islamic Republic’s longest (16 years) Minister of Foreign Affairs under three presidents Dr. Ali-Akbar Velayati said that United States is plotting to establish a second Israel in the region.

    Dr. Velayati, made the remarks in a ceremony marking the first anniversary of the so-called P5+1 and Iran nuclear agreement (JCPOA).

    “The Americans are seeking to strengthen Syrian Kurds and link them to Kurds of Iraq and that of other countries to create a so-called independent Kurdistan,” Velayati said.

    Velayati said that creating an independent Kurdistan is a potential threat to the international peace and security.

    “The US scenario to create an independent Kurdistan will give birth to a second Israel,” he said.

    • Replies: @Eileen Kuch
  3. Wally says: • Website

    The Israelis did so when they invaded and tried to dominate Lebanon in 1982 …

    Note the dodge of the well deserved 2006 beat down Hezbollah gave the ‘Israelis’ when ‘Israel’ invaded Lebanon in 2006.

    Who demands mass immigration into white gentile countries, but stops non-Jew immigration into “that shitty little country”?

    • Replies: @Rehmat
    , @Lot
  4. Rehmat says:

    The leaders of “the shitty little country” admit they don’t know how to defeat Hizbullah.

    In October 2006, Alastair Crooke and Mark Perry wrote a three-part review of Jewish army’s military and intelligence defeat, entitled, ‘How Hizbullah Defeated Israel‘. The two investigative journalists refuted Israeli and the White House claim that Israel successfully degraded Hizbullah’s military to prevail in a future conflict and that Israeli army, once deployed in large numbers (30,000) in Southern Lebanon were able to prevail over their foes and dictate a settlement favorable to the Israeli political establishment. Instead, both claimed that the July 2006 war fundamentally altered the power balance in region away from United States and Israeli hegemony.

    Frnklin Lamb, Ph.D, wrote in March 2007: “Ladies and gentlemen, the bell has sounded for Round Six: Israel vs. Hezbollah. The arena is holding its collective breadth. The outcome is uncertain. To date the score is Hezbollah 5, Israel 0.”

    • Replies: @Lot
  5. Lot says:

    Note the dodge of the well deserved 2006 beat down Hezbollah gave the ‘Israelis’ when ‘Israel’ invaded Lebanon in 2006.

    What a retarded statement. A “beat down” does not involve your side suffering ten times the casualties as your opponents.

    In 2006 Israel blasted Hezbollah-control areas with tens of thousands of bombs and mortars, killed hundreds of their fighters, and essentially ended Hezbollah’s prior habit of launching rockets into Israel engaging in kidnapping raids.

    I mean it is true that Hezbollah put up a better fight than, say, Hamas or the Egyptian Army ever showed, but that is not saying much.

    The USA should learn something from Israel’s successful 2006 war, which is that a short and punitive war is better policy that trying to occupy and “democratize” a bunch of cousin-married 80-IQ barbarians.

  6. Lot says:

    The leaders of “the shitty little country” admit they don’t know how to defeat Hizbullah.

    Which is important because….?

    To date the score is Hezbollah 5, Israel 0.

    Haha, who has Shebaa Farms? Who flies war planes and drones over the other’s territory with impunity?

    The most frequent breaches are overflights by Israeli war planes and drones; such violations have occurred since the inception of the Israeli–Lebanese conflict, and have happened continuously and almost daily since the 2006 Lebanon war, being the source of much conflict between Lebanon and Israel. Israeli warplanes sometimes stage mock attacks on Lebanese cities, and emit sonic booms that frighten civilians.

    • Replies: @5371
    , @Rehmat
  7. 5371 says:

    If when you win a war your proudest boast is that you still occasionally troll the other side as you did before it, it wasn’t an epoch-making victory.

    • Replies: @Lot
  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    In reply to ‘Lot’:

    The U.S. probably killed about 18 to 22 Vietnamese both South and North for every American soldier or CIA operative who fell in that war, FWIW. The SAA probably killed two jihadis for every one of their own fallen and since the RuAF intervention 4 or 5 to one thanks to Ivan incinerating a lot of supply convoys and seeing how many CIA supplied TOWs burn at 900 C.

    In 2006 Hezbollah had nothing more than toy drones. Today they probably have hundreds if not thousands and David’s Sling and the IAF are not going to be able to shoot them all down especially the further away the Israeli invaders come from their border. We also strongly suspect thanks to Hezbollah fighting in Syria for almost a year since Russia intervened that their Iranian friends have reverse engineered the ‘Smerch’ MLRS systems, and Hezbollah whipping one of those out of a cave and suddenly firing on a column of Merkavas and APCs would leave a few score Bennys and Zvis killed or wounded. Essentially this would be Hezbollah firing for effect using drones paired with cluster bomblet MLRS like the Russian Army did across the border against Ukraine’s hapless 30th brigade in late July 2014 — the slaughter of which still enrages Potomac Institute types. Who nonetheless, being neocon fanatics dedicated to rearming the Ukrainians for another round, never reveal exactly where it happened or how many hundreds if not thousands of Ukies were KIA around Saur Mogila or at Donetsk Airport and Debaltsevo…lest they have to admit Kiev’s official KIA figures as admitted in the State Dept. controlled Kyiv Post are so much bullshit.

    Next time if there is a next time is going to be bloodier for the Hezbollah no doubt about it via Israeli use of vacuum and incendiary bombs but it’s also gonna be nastier for the IDF. And that’s assuming Bibi and Putin’s deal holds and the Hezbollah don’t get any Verbas capable of killing IAF choppers even with active IR jamming systems. So yes Hezbollah would glady trade about 2,000 KIA times two or three wounded to kill 300 IDF and wound about three times that number. If you are Israeli Lot the enemy knows your country’s Achilles heel very well, which is that your tiny land doesn’t take casualties in the 21st century very well, and the Saudis you’re allied with are so pathetic despite sending thousands of TOWs to kill Syrians they run away like dogs from Najran. Israel needs better and braver allies like the Kurds because while the Mossad maybe knows it, team ZioWahhabiCon in D.C. hasn’t quite wrapped their heads around the Yemen War being the Sauds Afghanistan from which they like the Soviet Empire will not recover.

    • Replies: @Lot
  9. Rehmat says:

    I like your living in self-denial dude. But just imagine what the “shitty little entity” would be flying over Sheba Farm without $3 billions annual US military aid?

    The defeat of 30,000-strong Jewish army in 2006 put brakes to Herzl’s dream of the GREATER YESRAEL. Jewish army began the Israel-Lebanon conflict after it invaded Lebanon in the 1980s knowing that Lebanon didn’t even had a conventional army; no tanks, no helicopters, no jets, and no Navy. Jewish army maintained its occupation of Southern Lebanon to steal water from the Litani River with the help of Christian militia. However, Israeli soldiers were forced to withdraw from South Lebanon with the tiny Sheba Farm in 2000 under Hizbullah fighters’ pressure.

    Lebanon appeared on Zionist Jewish hit list in 1919, when the World Zionist Congress delegation at the Paris Peace Conference said the Lebanese Litani River, Golan Heights and Jordan Valley (West Bank), were “essential for the necessary economic foundation of the new state for Jews. It must have the control of Arab rivers and headwaters.”

    As result of its 1967 aggression, Israel gained control of waters of the West Bank and the Sea of Galilee – but not the Litani River. The West Bank’s mountain aquifer and Sea of Galilee provides 60% of Israel’s freshwater needs – over one billion cubic meters per year.

    After WWI, Syria (al-Sham) became French colony and Palestine, Trans-Jordan, and Iraq British colonies. French divided al-Sham on religion basis; Lebanon for Christians and Syria for Muslims. In 1940, British colonists traded the Golan Heights to the French in exchange for territory in present day Jordan …..

    • Replies: @Lot
  10. Lot says:

    No, the boast is Israel inflicted heavy and very disproportionate casualties on their enemies, and largely stopped Hezbollah’s prior and semi-frequent terrorist campaigns and border incursions.

    Who said it was “an epoch-making victory”? Sure, it was not as one-sided as the six-day war, but the anti-Semite retards love to pretend that Israel lost, when in fact in achieved its primary war goal of securing Israel’s northern border, including it occupation of Golan and Sheeba.

  11. Lot says:

    The defeat of 30,000-strong Jewish army in 2006 put brakes to Herzl’s dream of the GREATER YESRAEL.

    Last time I looked, Herzl is not the dictator of Israel and all American Jews. I know that you Muslims, unable to form a civilized republic and limited government, have a hard time understanding that high-IQ people, who are not highly inbred and illiterate, are too manly to accept the rule of a dictator. But we’ve been doing it a long time and have inherited from our ancestors the rights and traditions of free men.

    As it stands, there is no point in Israel occupying Lebanon, and colonizing the country is not Israeli policy. They have plenty of nice land in the West Bank still left to settle, and the transition to an advanced service economy opens up the Negev to economic development similar to Arizona and Nevada.

    With regard to water, the vast majority of it is used inefficiently in agriculture. Here in California, we have dramatically reduced our water use through very simple measures like advanced irrigation, and we also opened, on time and on budget, a large desalinization plant. It is amazing what free and intelligent men are capable of!

  12. Lot says:

    I can agree with some of your points. However, gaming a potential war between Hezbollah and Israel is not especially relevant because neither side has much incentive to fight such a war. Hezbollah would much rather focus on increasing the extent it controls Lebanon and protecting Shiites in Syria from ISIS, while Israel would rather focus on its own domestic concerns.

    I’ll take your word for it that Hezbollah has substantially upgraded its ability to cause Israeli civilian casualties. This does not particularly matter, however, because the infliction of, say, 500+ Israeli civilian casualties would lead Israel to respond with a strategic bombing campaign that inflicts 100-500 times that number or more on the areas of strongest Hezbollah support.

    This points to, of course, the uselessness of Hezbollah trying to upgrade their ability to strike Israel from the air. Nothing they can do will ever change the fact that Israel can respond 100-fold if Hezbollah wants to start indiscriminately targeting Israeli population centers. To the extent Hezbollah ever wants to fight Israel again, 2006 is basically they best model they have, one focused on military engagements on their own turf, where the KIA ratio was probably about 4-1 (per the UN estimate).

  13. Duglarri says:

    I’m surprised no one is stating the obvious: the Turks are invading Syria to restore supply lines with ISIS. The Kurds blocked them. These Turkish tanks are going down there to make sure ISIS survives.

    • Replies: @5371
    , @Bianca
  14. Russia historically does not sell out allies. Besides, Russia has everything to gain and nothing to lose from a Syrian victory over Obamastani cannibal headhunters; and this will be a victory over Obama’s zionazi masters too.

    • Replies: @Parbes
  15. 5371 says:

    No, the Turkish invasion is good, because once they occupy the jihadi enclaves they will have to answer for their actions. There will be no more deniability, accountability will be immediate.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Parbes
  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    If accountability is immediate, why have there been Turkish soldiers in Cyprus since 1974?

    • Replies: @5371
  17. 5371 says:

    In 1974 there weren’t Russian forces already there by agreement with the government of Cyprus.

  18. Parbes says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    “Russia historically does not sell out allies”

    You must be kidding… That might have been true once maybe, in the Russia of yore. But in the last 30 years, the instances of Russia selling out, doublecrossing or refusing to lift a finger to help an ally under attack have been literally piling up.

  19. Parbes says:

    They are not invading to “occupy jihadi enclaves”; they are invading to destroy the Kurdish forces who were fighting (and beating) the jihadis, kill Kurds, squat on Syrian territory as a step in an aggressive expansionist drive, and start a wider operation to overthrow the Syrian government. Those “jihadi enclaves” are part of the sovereign territory of Syria – not some rightful independent statelets.

    By this same stupid logic taken to its full conclusion, Erdogan should be allowed to invade and occupy wherever he wants because then there will be “accountability”. In fact, why not let him take all of Syria, then (for starters), since it will result in greater “accountability”?

    Only idiots or those who are naive and clueless give any plausibility to any “deniability” of anything by the Erdogan regime.

    • Replies: @5371
  20. 5371 says:

    Turkey is not going to risk coming under Russian air attack. That was very clear when they made themselves scarce after downing the Russian plane last year, and is the subtext to Turkish-Russian reconciliation in recent months. They will sit on the crazies in north Aleppo province, and if necessary in Idlib as well, until things quieten down. The Syrian government’s authority won’t be restored immediately in the far north, but it will be restored much more easily in the rest of the country. Problems still remain, like who will move on IS’s last Syrian stronghold of Raqqa, but for the first time in years there’s a clear prospect of a victorious peace.

  21. Parbes says:

    “They will sit on the crazies…until things quieten down. The Syrian government’s authority…will be restored much more easily in the rest of the country…for the first time in years there’s a clear prospect of a victorious peace.”

    These over-the-top optimistic statements represent your hopes or wishes of what should happen, rather than a realistic assessment of what is actually happening or is most likely to occur. What if these sanguine expectations of yours turn out to be false and misplaced – do you wonder what then?

    Are you aware that you are applauding the first stages in the neo-Ottoman invasion of a neighboring country by the Erdogan regime, as something “good”?

    • Replies: @5371
  22. Bianca says:

    Very wrong. They are there primarily to stop US attempt at creating Kurdis state by connecting now 3 areas where they are majority and ethnically cleansing other ethnic groups. That has been happening all along but after targeting Manbij by joint YPG ans US special ops, and after they we after Hasakah, a Syrian held town — it became clear that US objective is not ISIS but building Kurdish state. Being on the Turkish border and Turkish Kurd ares — the transparency of design is plain for l to see. Any time in the past shen Turkey needed discipline — US unleashed Turkish Kurds. Now Turkey is no longer playing the game. YPG is a paramilitary for e not regar Kurdish army. So if indeed YPG retreated across Euphrates as told by US — who is firing on Turkish forces. Sury not Turkmen. As for Kurdish villages — one cannot but feel deep sorrow. They are used as pawns by YLG — using them as human shields — and will pay heavy price. US a d YPG must stop games as the game is over. Let poor prople live and not have to flee from their homes.

    It will all become clearer soon. It is ear that Russia and Damascus were informed of Turkey’s entry into the war. This is now end game. Kurds have relresentation in Moscow so it remains to be seen what is their role. Turkey has the ability to round up various groups — except ISIS. It remains to be seen how the race to Raqqa wi look like. US has no longer any ground allies to take ISIS. Kurds will not be permitted to go in that direction and occupy any more Syrian land. Turkey may be the only one with the means to do it. Syrian Army may have to focus on Al-Nusra and Aleppo. Russia and Syria have staging mitary and hospital areas outside of Palmyra — a place that Turkey may use when too stretched out in the desert towards Iraqi border. Iraq bas been closing Saudi border, so ISIS supplies will dry up.

  23. 5371 says:

    The fact that the Syrian government, Russia, Iran, Iraq, Hezbollah, have all either not protested at all, or done so in the most cursory and formulaic fashion doesn’t suggest anything to you?

    • Replies: @Parbes
  24. @Rehmat

    Rehmat, you nailed it perfectly. An independent Kurdistan would be nothing more than a second Israel.
    Indeed, the evil troika of the USG/UK/Israel have much to blame for the chaos in the region. WWI ended with the Zionist/UK carving the defunct Ottoman Empire into separate states disregarding the diverse tribes living in the region. The Balfour Agreement, drawn up by the Rothschilds, promised Palestine to the Jews in lieu of US entry into WWI. It was this deal that led to the chaos in the ME after WWII, and chaos is still reigning there today.

  25. neutral says:

    Can you give an example of Russia selling out an ally ?

    • Replies: @Parbes
  26. Parbes says:

    Oh I see… Appeal to the authority of the “betters”! Your unwarranted over-the-top optimistic statement of the Erdogan regime’s incursion into Syria must be correct, since “the Syrian government, Russia, Iran, Iraq, Hezbollah, have all either not protested at all, or done so in the most cursory and formulaic fashion”! Actually the Syrian government DID protest with quite strong words, but nobody listened to them – as nobody has listened to the more than 600 UN protests and resolutions that they have tabled in the past 5 years against the invasion of their sovereign nation by foreign-backed jihadis. But don’t let that distract you from your optimistic reverie. As for the protesting or non-protesting of the deluded, weak, “partner”-begging, Erdogan-courting Putin-Lavrov team – well I think the less I get into that, the better…!

  27. Parbes says:

    Off the top of my head, all in the last 30 years (though I normally don’t have the time or inclination for recent history lessons on this blog’s Comments section, which should not be needed anyway since you should have informed yourself of these things beforehand):

    1. The Afghan socialist government, which had been fighting a brutal bloody war alongside them for a decade against U.S./Pakistani/Saudi-backed Islamic mujahideen (they even refused to give personal asylum to the last allied Afghan head of state, Najibullah, when the Taliban were taking Kabul, causing the man to be dragged to death in the street by Taliban savages)
    2. The East European allied communist governments, protected from NATO up till then by the alliance with the Russians and the Warsaw Pact – all in one fell swoop
    3. Iraq – Saddam Hussein (twice)
    4. Serbia – Milosevic (twice)
    5. Libya – Qaddafi
    6. Syria – Semi-sellout (lack of adequate support, prolonging the agony) so far, 2011 to present; but appears to be heading in the sellout direction

    These are just the major, state-level ones – there are a whole additional bunch of local, sub-national or trans-national level sell-outs, too. Granted, many of these could more accurately be termed “let-downs” than “sell-outs”, but the result was the same.

  28. The Kurds are US/Israel terrorists using ISIS as excuse to grab lands, like the colonists zionist jews, injecting chaos to destroy the regional states for their masters US-Israel to erect the Second Israel in the region where they will take this wish into their graves with their dumb masters.
    The Kurds should stop working with the enemies against the population of the region otherwise will be destroyed in no time. As Cartalucci writes

    {Kurdish forces that allowed themselves to be used by Western interests were used as one of several components – the others involving sectarian extremists including Al Qaeda – to divide and destroy Iraq, and now they are being used against Syria, and soon against Iran.

    Stratfor’s report titled, “Iranian Kurds Return to Arms,” provides some initial insight into what will undoubtedly evolve into a much wider Iranian conflict in the near future should US objectives be achieved and expanded upon in eastern Syria.The use of Kurds by Western interests is a modern-day example of classical imperial divide and rule in motion. What the Kurds “think” they are fighting for is absolutely irrelevant versus what in reality they are being armed, organized, and used for by Western interests.The most likely scenario – should the majority of Kurdish armed groups maintain this current course – sees them being used to divide and destroy Syria, creating enduring chaos they themselves will be exposed to.}

  29. Enjoying the anti-Kurd posts here. From the Crusades to ISIS the Kurds have been the best Muslim fighters in the area so naturally the genii here don’t like them because something something Israel.

    • Replies: @5371
  30. @Parbes

    Let’s see.

    Except for the Yeltsin period, when Russia was ruled by proxy from Warshington, whom has Russia betrayed in the last 30 years?

    Libya? Gaddafi abandoned Russia and was sucking up to the West.

    Serbia over Kosovo? Serbia dumped Russia, sold Milosevic to NATO, and is still trying to worm its way into NATO’s graces.

    Who else did Russia sell out, exactly?

    • Replies: @Parbes
  31. 5371 says:

    The only thing more ridiculous than a Kurd is a Kurd-aboo. As a collectivity the Kurds have never achieved anything worth speaking of in their whole history. And they took a big part in killing Armenians. So spare me the “muh Saladin”.

    [because something something Israel]

    How did I guess you would be sure it was all about you? I must be psychic.

    • Replies: @Avery
  32. Avery says:

    {And they took a big part in killing Armenians.}


    Kurds were eager volunteers in the Armenian Genocide organized and implemented by Turks.

    Turks brought in Kurds to settle in stolen Armenian lands and homes in Western Armenia (present Eastern Turkey) after Kurds helped wipe out indigenous Armenians.

    Like some righteous Turks, some righteous Kurds also saved Armenians from certain death. But most enthusiastically participated in the Genocide, to loot and steal Armenian lands, wealth, ….and young girls.

    Pretty ironic now that their butcher-buddies have turned on them.

    {As a collectivity the Kurds have never achieved anything worth speaking of in their whole history.}

    Right again.
    Kurds are a collection of often warring, backstabbing tribes.
    They are not a nation.
    They have never created a civilization.
    With 30-35 million people, they should have had and independent country of their own a hundred years ago.

    • Replies: @5371
  33. Parbes says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    “Except for the Yeltsin period…whom has Russia betrayed in the last 30 years?”

    Read my list above, again; and take into account their dates, if you are capable of doing that. The Yeltsin period was only the ’90s. (Although yes, Yeltsin was by far the worst in this regard, of course…)

    “Gaddafi abandoned Russia and was sucking up to the West”

    No, it was the other way around. Gaddafi felt that he had to suck up to the West to a certain degree out of self-preservation – especially in the 1990s, i.e. the “Yeltsin time”, and the early-to-mid 2000s – since Russia had cut off most of its allies because RUSSIA was sucking up to the West, and was not likely to come to his aid in any kind of confrontation.

    “Serbia dumped Russia, sold Milosevic to NATO, and is still trying to worm its way into NATO’s graces”

    Basically the same thing as Gaddafi and Libya, above… All this occurred AFTER Russia had already betrayed and abandoned Serbia TWICE in the 1990s under Yeltsin, standing by and doing nothing except some cluck-clucking as Serbia was attacked and bombed ruthlessly by the U.S./NATO.

  34. 5371 says:

    The only arguments their fans ever come up with are
    b) muh butt kickin Kurdish babez

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