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Isis is under pressure in Mosul and Raqqa, but it is jubilant at the election of Donald Trump.

Abu Omar Khorasani, an Isis leader in Afghanistan, is quoted as saying that “our leaders were closely following the US election, but it was unexpected that the Americans would dig their own graves.” He added that what he termed Trump’s “hatred” towards Muslims would enable Isis to recruit thousands of fighters.

The Isis calculation is that, as happened after 9/11, the demonisation and collective punishment of Muslims will propel a proportion of the Islamic community into its ranks. Given that there are 1.6 billion Muslims – about 23 per cent of the world’s population – Isis and al-Qaeda-type organisations need to win the loyalty of only a small proportion of the Islamic community to remain a powerful force.

Blood-curdling proposals for the persecution of Muslims played a central role in Trump’s election campaign. At one moment, he promised to stop all Muslims from entering the US, though this was later changed to “extreme vetting”. The use of torture by water-boarding was approved and applauded, and Hillary Clinton was pilloried for not speaking of “radical Islamic terrorism”.

Trump and his aides may imagine that much of this can be discarded as the overblown rhetoric of the campaign, but Isis and al-Qaeda propagandists will make sure that Trump’s words are endlessly repeated with all their original venom intact.

Nor will this propaganda about the anti-Muslim bias of the new administration be so far from the truth, going by the track record of many of the people in its security and foreign policy team. Trump is reported to have offered the post of National Security Adviser to General Michael Flynn, who was sacked by President Obama as head of the Defence Intelligence Agency in 2014. Flynn notoriously sees Islamic militancy not only as a danger, but as an existential threat to the US. He tweeted earlier this year that “fear of Muslims is RATIONAL”.

There is an obsessive, self-righteous quality to Flynn’s approach that led him to join chants of “lock her up” in reference to Hillary Clinton during election rallies. Former associates complain of Flynn’s political tunnel vision that could wreak havoc in the Middle East. His consulting company, the Flynn Intel Group, appears to lobby for the Turkish government and Flynn recently wrote an article calling for all-out US support for Turkey, who Washington has been trying to stop launching a full scale invasion of Syria and Iraq. Unsurprisingly, the Turkish president welcomed Trump’s election with enthusiasm and sharply criticised protests against it in the US (something that would be swiftly dealt with by police water cannon in Turkey).

A striking feature of the aspirants for senior office under Trump is a level of personal greed high even by the usual standards of Washington. Trump famously campaigned under the slogan “Drain the Swamp” and castigated official corruption, but it is turning out that the outflow pipe from swamp is the entry point of the new administration.

One grotesque example of this is Rudy Giuliani, who exploited his fame as mayor of New York at the time of 9/11 to earn millions in speaking fees and consultancy for foreign governments and companies. Apparently, none were too dubious for him to turn down. In 2011 and 2012 he reportedly made speeches defending the sinister Iranian cult-like movement, the Mojahideen e-Khalq, that had been on the State Department’s list of terrorist organisations.

Giuliani is a swamp creature if ever there was one, yet this week he was publicly turning down the post of Attorney General and was, at the time of writing, being considered for the post of Secretary of State.

Isis and al-Qaeda may underestimate the degree to which they will benefit from Trump’s election, which came at a bleak moment in their fortunes. He and his henchmen have already frightened and enraged hundreds of millions of Muslims and vastly expanded the constituency to which the jihadis can appeal.

A clampdown against them that, in practice, targets all Muslims plays straight into their hands. What made 9/11 such a success for Osama bin Laden was not the destruction of the Twin Towers, but the US military reaction that produced the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. This could happen again.

There are other potential long-term gains for the beleaguered Isis leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, whatever the outcome of the siege of Mosul. The Taliban, al-Qaeda and Isis are all militarised fanatical movements born out of the chaos of war in Afghanistan and Iraq, and they are flourishing in similarly anarchic conditions in Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and beyond.

In theory, Trump is a non-interventionist; opposed to US military involvement in the Middle East and North Africa, he wants to bring the war in Syria to an end. But he has simultaneously opposed the agreement with Iran on its nuclear programme and criticised Barack Obama for pulling the last US troops out of Iraq in 2011 (though in fact this was under an agreement signed by George W Bush).

But Bush and Obama were both non-interventionists when first elected – until the course of events, and the enthusiasm of the Washington foreign policy establishment for foreign military ventures, changed all that.

The US army and air force is today heavily engaged in Iraq and Syria and that is not going to end with Obama’s departure. In contradiction to Trump’s non-interventionism, leading members of his foreign policy team such as John Bolton, the belligerent former US ambassador to the UN, has been advocating a war with Iran since 2003. Bolton proposes carving out a Sunni state in northern Iraq and eastern Syria, a plan in which every sentence betrays ignorance and misjudgements about the forces in play on the ground. As a recipe for deepening the conflict in the region, it could scarcely be bettered.

There have always been crackpots in Washington, sometimes in high office, but the number of dangerous people who have attached themselves to the incoming administration may be higher today than at any time in American history.

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For instance, one adviser to the Trump national security transition team is, according to Shane Harris and Nancy Youssef of The Daily Beast, one Clare Lopez, author of a book called See No Sharia, which says that Islamists and the Muslim Brotherhood in particular have infiltrated the White House and the FBI, as well as the US Departments of State, Justice, Defence and Homeland Security. Lopez believes that terrorists caused the 2008 financial crash by short-selling stocks.

Optimists have been saying this week that Trump is less ideological than he sounds and, in any case, the US ship of state is more like an ocean liner than a speedboat making it difficult to turn round. They add privately that not all the crooks and crazies will get the jobs they want.

Unfortunately, much the same could have been said of George W Bush when he came into office before 9/11. It is precisely such arrogant but ill-informed opportunists who can most easily be provoked by terrorism into a self-destructive overreaction. Isis is having a good week.

(Republished from The Independent by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. I got the impression that Bush was an empty suit, with Cheney, Rumsfeld & Co. being in full control.

    If Trump is the same sort of figurehead, then Mr Cockburn’s predictions are warranted. But Trump appears to be rather the opposite extreme… It doesn’t look like his advisors are likely to have free reign… But then of course anything’s possible…

  2. bunga says:

    Flynn’s anti muslim emotion doesn’t surprise me and it may turn out to be nothing but slogan to stay in the game . “He’s[Bannon] certainly not disguised his hatred of Muslim-semites. But does that qualify as a transgression in American politics? Hardly. It’s been the path to career advancement.” http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/18/roaming-charges-when-the-pterodactyls-came-home-to-roost/

    It is not uncommon post 2003 war and post Park 51 controversy . Many players have hijacked the post 911 atmosphere and drawn it to their own inner images.

    Problems lie somewhere else It is in the way the body of the empire decomposes . The burial ( of the empire ) place ,the disposal of the body and the post -death loot are all in play . How can the empire square so many inconsistencies ?
    Then Trump is no friend of China
    . Can Russia trust the regime so unhinged and deeply emotionally unstable? Can they trust any negotiations ? Can they believe that the promises be kept? Can they believe that the next administration or the next Secretary , or Secretary of Defense or NSA chief be able or eager to keep the treaty or trust or truce?

    Putin /Flynn -Can they make good on his promises to be friend with Russia and fight Iran or Syria ?

    May be they could have after 1946 or 1986 0r 1996 0r 2006. This is 2016.

  3. oh no taking reasonable measures against Muslims and objecting to them living in the West is an AFFRONT against the Muslim world who rigorously favour their own religions in their own lands, and discriminate against non Muslims .

    LET US DO WHAT WE WANT OR US MODERATE MUSLIMS WILL BECOME EXTREMISTS!

    Seriously, if tomorrow France banned all Americans from France, would Kansas farmers start forming militias to launch terrorist attacks there?

    Yes, Trump’s ‘rhetoric’ has got them all riled up. Much worse than the stupid wars the establishment launched.

    Trump has said he will abide by the Iranian agreement. He’s going to fight ISIS, but not Assad. Cockburn doesn’t seem to think that Trump is in charge. Mike Pence was rebuked for stepping out of line.

  4. Trump’s Team Will Start New Wars in the Middle East

    No it won’t.
    Asshole!

    • Agree: Kiza
    • Replies: @Alfa158
    , @Jayzerbee
  5. Jamie_NYC says:

    “Blood-curdling proposals for the persecution of Muslims played a central role in Trump’s election campaign.”

    You need to join Anthony Wiener in rehab, bro.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @interesting
  6. attonn says:

    LOL.
    Bush’s and Obama’s problem is not in bombing, but bombing the wrong targets.
    If Trump goes after Gulf sheikdoms – particularly after Saudis – then he can win. Because that’s where the root of the problem lies.
    Instead of doing this, moronic Bush and Obama went after Syria, Iraq and Lybia – the very countries that are West’s natural allies in fight against terror.
    No wonder we are losing.

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
  7. Thirdeye says:

    But Bush and Obama were both non-interventionists when first elected…..

    No they weren’t. The invasion of Iraq was planned before 9/11. Obama may have started his Presidential campaign with non-interventionist intentions, but he made deals with the financial and interventionist elites to clear his path to the nomination, including offering the Secretary of State position to the Saudi-bought creature Hillary Clinton.

    Anyone who can’t acknowledge that there is an ideological cancer in the Muslim world, centered on the Wahhabist establishment fostered by the gulf states, is a fool. A small percentage of a big number can still be a big enough number to wreak havoc.

    This article makes me wish Alexander were still around so he could slap some sense into his little brother.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  8. I predict that Patrick Cockburn will apologise for his father’s actions as a Soviet puppet in the 1930s. He will also admit his own acts as an MI6 agent.
    Within 12 months

  9. Isis and al-Qaeda may underestimate the degree to which they will benefit from Trump’s election, which came at a bleak moment in their fortunes.

    Trump intends to KILL these people you moron.

  10. “2Blood-curdling proposals for the persecution of Muslims played a central role in Trump’s election campaign”

    who fucking writes this stupid shit and expects to be taken seriously??

    I hear the New York Times is looking for new…….i almost said journalists…..writers and you might fit right in.

    there’s no point in reading the rest of the propaganda I’ll just read the comments

  11. @Jamie_NYC

    the guy is writing for clicks….click bait……no one can be this stupid unless it’s on purpose.

  12. Diogenes says:

    Hey DUDES, Cockburn is making a prediction based on the evidence at hand. Even Trump said he was going after ISIS which is following Obama’s war in Syria and Iraq. So ,yes, the US under Trump will remain embroiled in wars in the Middle East and contrary to common sense this will only fuel the Islamic Holy War in the region. If Trump had any wisdom he would pull out and let the Regionals and Russia settle scores. Unfortunately every US administration is controlled by Israel rather than the other way round.

    • Replies: @dahoit
  13. Thirdeye says:
    @attonn

    Holding the gulfies accountable would be a great outcome, but there are a couple of Gordian knots that need to be cut if it is ever to be achieved. First is the privileged position given the Dollar by the gulf states in the oil trade. The US badly needs to extract itself from the complications arising from the Petrodollar if it is to act in the interests of its own security – and for that matter the security of anyone targeted by the Wahhabist cancer. The other is establishing some sort of working relationship with Iran. Decoupling from the gulfies would be one step. Defining US interests as independent from those of Israel would be equally important and where Trump most likely doesn’t have the requisite cojones.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  14. Y’all are being played:

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Benjamin-Netanyahu/Netanyahu-to-urge-Trump-to-tighten-noose-on-Iran-not-scrap-nuke-deal-473047

    As a matter of fact, Señor Trump’s father and Netanyahu were friends dating back to the 1980’s when Bibi was at the UN. Do you seriously think he has had no contact with the son? Or that he was not supporting a Trump victory?

    The plan is transparent.

    Will the Russians fall for it?

    Too early to tell.

    • Replies: @Karl
  15. What, Cockburn is parroting neocon dreck now?

  16. Well, Pompeo has some mouths watering:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusalem-said-to-welcome-trumps-pro-israel-security-picks/

    None of this is any surprise really, given Señor Trump’s background.

    On verra.

  17. 22pp22 says:

    Without immigration, the morally, economically and scientifically bankrupt Islamic World is no threat at all.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  18. Harold says:
    @Lemurmaniac

    Exactly.

    According to Cockburn, what he insanely considers the ‘blood-curdling’ ‘persecution’ of not allowing Muslims entrance to the US will cause hundreds of millions of them to become so ‘frightened and enraged’ that many will consider joining a group that murders, rapes, and sells children into sexual slavery. Later he condemns a man for saying that fear of Muslims is rational. It would be if we were to take Cockburn’s view of them.

    But then Cockburn lives in an alternative universe where this happened: ‘after 9/11, the demonisation and collective punishment of Muslims.’

    Yes, Trump’s ‘rhetoric’ has got them all riled up. Much worse than the stupid wars the establishment launched.

    Indeed.

  19. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Cutting off Muslim immigration to the west can hardly be described as ‘blood-curdling’, a great exaggeration. Islam is a poor fit for western culture and just leads to friction. Of course were it not for western aggressions in that part of the world there wouldn’t be so many people seeking to leave. Bush planned on going into Iraq even before 9-11 despite some people’s hopes he’d be inclined towards being peaceful. The old term ‘isolationist’ is being bandied about these days. It was a label attached to the conservative-leaning segment of the population who were reluctant to get involved in foreign wars. It used to be that being anti-war was a lefty-liberal position, at least since Vietnam, but nowadays they are the war-hawks.

    But Bush and Obama were both non-interventionists when first elected – until the course of events, and the enthusiasm of the Washington foreign policy establishment for foreign military ventures, changed all that.

    Every single president who has taken us into war had been planning to do so even while publicly posturing themselves as the peace candidate. They’ve all deliberately lied and mislead the American public. That’s standard operating procedure in America, to flat out lie. We often get just the opposite of what we think we’re voting for. Although admittedly some of the names coming up raise suspicions we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. Besides, what were our choices? The parties have a shallow pool of mediocrities and dysfunctionals. Clinton appears to have wanted to engage in brinksmanship with the Russians. Would that have been preferable?

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  20. Art says:

    The first way to get to ISIS is to put sanctions on the people who fund them – only rich Saudis and the like – NOT their people. Dry up the money.

    The second way to is to go about producing and exporting American energy to the max.

    The third way is to cyber-block any internet site that publishes ISIS propaganda – PERIOD.

    And last, condemn the two death cults that dominate the ME – Wahhabism and Zionism.

    Nary a shot be fired.

    Peace — Art

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @annamaria
  21. Art says:

    Blood-curdling proposals for the persecution of Muslims played a central role in Trump’s election campaign.

    Really – “Blood-curdling” – those words are total over-kill.

    Sovereignty is more than land – it is culture also.

    All cultures are not equal – some are better than others. Christian culture is far better than Muslim culture – it produces a better life for its people – not perfect, but definitely better.

    Muslim culture does NOT want to integrate and assimilate into Christian culture – this is not good – this is unworkable — Sorry this is trouble. Yes, it is rational to think about these things.

    Peace — Art

  22. Alfa158 says:
    @WorkingClass

    Seems to be even more delusional thinking than usual on the Left. I guess when faced with an unacceptable reality like the election of Trump they go into fantasy mode to assuage the butt hurt.

  23. Alfa158 says:
    @22pp22

    Bingo. Lock the Walkers up in a room and let them quietly rot away, or heal themselves. Invasion is how the Islamic world copes with its disfunctions. Bottle them up and they can either fix their culture or tear each other apart. We don’t care, and the US doesn’t even buy their oil any more.

  24. KA says:

    Something of the nature of post 911 is taking place again. America focussed on Iraq and 7 other countries after a spectacular criminal actions by some Jihadist against twin tower,pentagon,and in PA . Despite warnings,despite information,despite moral and legal political reasons and despite reasons based on real intelligence ,America decided to unglue the Middle East Most of the aftermath have been borne by EU ,Turkey,and Jordan while the economic fallout have been felt across large chunks of two continents- Asia and Africa – i.e.Pakistan, India Bangladesh,Nepal SubSaharan countries .
    Now America is facing a much dense more intense and much more deeper and pervasive problem which is racial,economic and cultural in nature . Again it is focussing on wrong solutions- war abroad and war at home . It is recruiting the same figures who made Bush dance to their tunes . It is courting the same ideologues . The long list of those letter head organizations have been reshuffled and rearranged to hide the doctrinal origin and connection . But they are same . The difference is in appearance not in substance.

    Trump supporters are for a big disappointment .
    But like Bush ‘s supporters they only are to be blamed for not holding Trump answerable to his base to his original antiwar ,pro business ,pro negotiations, and anti illegal immigration. Instead of illegal immigration,the discourse have gravitated to hatred of non White population under the rubric and general anti Muslim rhetoric anti Mexican polemic. Bush did same He took away liberties, imposed harsh policies ,bankrupted the economy,gutted the lives of the soldiers ,and enriched the cronies ,enlarged the government – all under the name of GWOT . Trump is following same path.

    That the same blinder that Bush put on the American mind is still in place and can be observed in the tendency to blame Saudis for creating ISIS when it is America that gave birth to it intentionally in the first place.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  25. What a lot of whiny drivel. Apparently extremist Muslims only hate us because we are mean to them and say nasty things and all we need to do is say nice things and let countless numbers of them settle in our countries and everything will be peaceful and happy with lots of puppies. Why is the UNZ reprinting this rubbish?

  26. Virgile says:

    The difference between Bush jr and Trump is huge. Bushr Jr was a weak personality pampered at home, influenced by the legacy of his father and by notorious neo-cons. Trump is a tough business man who took risks and fought his way to the presidency.
    It is true that he is picking members that are war mongers and with many views opposed to him but Trump has goals as a president:
    1) Making lucrative deals that would enrich the USA working class and the whole country
    2) Best protect the Americans from violence from wherever origin by dealing with its manifestations and its roots

    These goals are so clear that he will NOT be influenced by anyone who leads him away from them.
    Any recommendation to reach these goals coming from his team will be scrutinized and rejected if it appears contradictory to the basic principles of prioritizing the US citizens welfare. Therefore the ideology and the past of his team is irrelevant. They would have to agree on these goals and the methods to reach them.
    If Trump reaches these goals, he will consider himself successful

  27. Rehmat says:

    Mr. Cockburn – your Abu Omar Khorasani is much phony as his Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, born into a French Jewish family and trained by Mossad.

    The only Middle Eastern countries which is not under military attack, directly or indirectly, are Israel and Saudi Arabia. So, which of those two countries would be attacked by the US under Trump administration?

    The last time I heard CIA estimate – there were only two dozen al-Qaeda terrorists in Afghanistan. In fact, there are more al-Qaeda terrorists cooperating with CIA, Mossad and RAW than in Syria.

    Professor James Tracy has proved that the Sandy Hook shooting and Peshawar military school shooting were connected via CIA and Mossad as Jew boy Noah Pozner allegedly died in both accidents…..

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/12/13/noah-pozner-us-jewish-boy-who-died-twice/

    • Replies: @Art
  28. KA says:

    America can get engulfed in new wars because of the Byzantine nature of the powerful diverse domestic and foreign entities which have become a permanent feature of US . It will take tough determination . Knee jerk petulant changing outbursts will not suffice .

    This article from Politico doesn’t encourage much hope.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/why-the-arabs-dont-want-us-in-syria-mideast-conflict-oil-intervention/-“But the Sunni kingdoms with vast petrodollars at stake wanted a much deeper involvement from America.

    On September 4, 2013, Secretary of State John Kerry told a congressional hearing that the Sunni kingdoms had offered to foot the bill for a U.S. invasion of Syria to oust Bashar Assad.
    “In fact, some of them have said that if the United States is prepared to go do the whole thing, the way we’ve done it previously in other places [Iraq], they’ll carry the cost.”

    Kerry reiterated the offer to Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.): “With respect to Arab countries offering to bear the costs of [an American invasion] to topple Assad, the answer is profoundly yes, they have. The offer is on the table.”

    Wow! They way we have done it in other places! Who says Iraq was a bad idea or has turned out to be a bad product!

    Its not only the friends like Qatar who can work on American weakness for advancement of careers,money and glory ,the Jihadist also can provoke or work on America’s many foibles like tendency to get enraged and get caught up with R2P and getting America into mass hysterical rage following some report of rape or decapitation in Sinjar or Panjar ( and the difference between truth and lies won’t make any difference) .Rape claims in Libya from free Viagra worked so well.

    This is from the above article
    “As the New York Times reported in a December 8, 2015, front-page story, Islamic State political leaders and strategic planners are working to provoke an American military intervention. “

  29. Trump may well stop ISIS. All it takes, apparently, is serious pressure on Saudi Arabia.

    But have you ever seen a jingo who didn’t start wars?

    • Replies: @5371
  30. KA says:

    CNN)During a 2015 trip to Russia, Donald Trump’s pick to be national security adviser, Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, said he didn’t know whether the 2013 sarin gas attack in Syria was conducted by the Syrian Army or by other forces in an attempt to draw the United States into the conflict.
    Flynn not ruling out the possibility of a “false flag” attack raises questions about how the Trump administration will approach the Syrian conflict. The Obama administration, the Arab League, NATO, and many western governments have pointed to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime as being responsible for the attack. A United Nations investigation didn’t assign blame, but evidence from the report pointed to the Assad regime being responsible. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/20/politics/kfile-michael-flynn-rt-syria/

    It was a false flag operation . But CNN out of ‘something” cant bring itself to admit,endorse,or even think of the possibility .

    Verify chemical weapons use before unleashing the dogs of war. Kenneth Timmerman
    in : http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/29/verify-chemical-weapons-use-before-unleashing-the-dogs-of-war/#ixzz4QbyNG7Tq

  31. Art says:
    @Rehmat

    The last time I heard CIA estimate – there were only two dozen al-Qaeda terrorists in Afghanistan. In fact, there are more al-Qaeda terrorists cooperating with CIA, Mossad and RAW than in Syria.

    I wonder what secrets Trump is hearing for the first time in the CIA morning briefings?

    Peace — Art

    • Replies: @anon
  32. 5371 says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    Not sure whom you count as a jingo, but Franco, Pinochet, Stroessner, Perón, Trujillo, Marcos, Park, Horthy, etc…

  33. @KA

    You have it backwards. The invasions of the ME weren’t in response to 9/11 nor was 9/11 perpetrated by muslims. The wars on the ME were pre-planned in advance and 9/11 was done to manufacture the consent of the western peoples for those wars to happen.

    The driving out of the muslim populations into Europe, America etc fulfils several objectives…
    The weakening of ME governments to neutralise them as a threat.
    The clearing of the ME populations as in ethnic cleansing leaving those lands less populated.
    The driving of them into western nations as a divide and conquer strategy against western governments and peoples.
    The further enrichment of the MIC, and all them contribute towards the fulfilment of the Oded Yinon Plan.

    • Replies: @bunga
    , @Karl
  34. No need to fight w islam, really. Just deport all muzzies out of the US. Problem solved.

  35. biz says:

    I wonder if people like Cockburn realize that this whole warning rhetoric of “millions of Muslims are one insult away from joining ISIS” if true, actually says something quite profound and very bad about Muslims and their culture.

  36. We will see if ISIS jumped the gun in creating a caliphate before the fall of the American Empire. Al Qaeda will probably be the big winner in this in achieving its goals of further bankrupting the US but they were going to win anyway with Hillary. Trump will be a great recruiting mechanism. By electing Trump over Hillary the American people have avoided war with Russia. The US can survive and rebuild after being bled to death by the mujahedin who just has to raise their flag to draw the US in. Is Trump going to continue Obama’s policy of droning these people and special forces, or is he going to use a large ground army like Bush in Iraq. Salafi jihadist are not an existential threat to the US. If the US Empire must die by doing something stupid then let it be by fighting the Salafi jihadist and not China or Russia.

    The big question I have is what will become of the Iran deal. Another Iraq sized conflict would not make America great again.

  37. Blood-curdling proposals for the persecution of Muslims played a central role in Trump’s election campaign. At one moment, he promised to stop all Muslims from entering the US, though this was later changed to “extreme vetting”. The use of torture by water-boarding was approved and applauded, and Hillary Clinton was pilloried for not speaking of “radical Islamic terrorism”.

    What complete tripe.

    There is nothing remotely blood-curdling about preventing immigration from Muslim countries, nor does this amount to persecution of Muslims. As a non-Muslim, I’m not allowed to immigrate to Saudi Arabia, yet I hardly feel “persecuted” by that country.

    The arguments about torture were made in the context of suspected terrorists, not Muslims per se. Liar Cockburn sneakily conflates the two.

    We can see how desperately liar Cockburn is reaching when he’s reduced to mentioning Hillary being pilloried for failing to speak of “radical Islamic terrorism.” This is supposed to be “blood-curdling”? What a joke.

    Where the hell does Unz find these despicable lying fools? In my darker moments I can’t help suspecting that he’s attempting to discredit the alt right in the eyes of it most likely recruits (right-leaning whites) by associating it with these fringe leftie loons.

  38. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump seems to be a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR and a criminal who wants a war against Iran at any cost. Look at the dummies he has picked to serve his regime. All are zionist criminal and mass murders. There is a strong possibility of another FALSE FLAG OPERATION by dummies at the black house executed by Trump regime to serve their goal.
    This time not only everyone on the plant knows how criminals set the terror act, but the truth about 9/11 will come more clear than ever, that 9/11 was a false flag planed and executed by USG/Israel to go after countries in the Middle East, Asia, and Africa, killing millions of people, destroying country after country according to ODED YINON to erect “greater Israel” using criminal and terrorist kurds, constructing terrorist ‘Islamic” organization, all constructed by the criminal ‘christians’ and Jewish neoconservatives to take over the world and erect “world government”. Remember General Clark words that said: “Seven countries in five years.”
    I want to know what ICC is doing. If ICC cannot arrest som many war criminal in Washington and so many more in the process, then ICC must be bombed and the pimps should be arrested. The world is FED UP and has no stomach for more blood shed. Arrest the criminals NOW.

    The US police state was defeated by Vietnamese. The axis of evil US-Israel-Britain could not bring Iraq under full control, and US and his proxies ISIS, Al Gaeda and numerouse terrorist organization trained by CIA/Mosad/MI6 funded by criminal Arab head of states, were defeated in Syria.
    This time YOU, the terrorist US, will be defeated for good and your criminal REGIME goes into a garbage bin for ever.
    The world is fed up with your criminal acts and vicious wars against weaker states and no one will believe your FALSE FLAG operation that you are going to sell as ‘islamic terror” using your f*cking criminal mass media like you did with other False Flag Operations, like train bombing in Spain, Train bombing in London, bombings in France and numerouse bombing in the Middel East and North Africa. The history tells the world that these bombings are no one works excepty yours like 9/11.
    It is the time that you receive these bombing that send you into garbage can. Russia, China, India and the rest of the world must form a UNITED FRONT AGAINST CRIMINALS IN WASHINGTON, TEL AVIV, BRITAIN now.

    What dummies in America are going to do? Are they going to wave their f*cking flags to let the criminals spread propaganda for more wars? If you do, then the world knows that you are criminals as well and deserve destruction NOW.

    The criminal Trump is planning to destroy Iran to serve his ZIONIST MASTERS , but he never be successful. Only fools and evils will cooperate with a criminal regime. If Americans don’t fight againt a criminal regime do then the world feels there is no way out except DESTRUCTION OF THE EVIL in Washington, Tel Aviv, Britain, to save Afghanis, Iraqis, Pakistanis, Libyans, Iranians, Palestinians, Muslims from a criminal regime.

    • Replies: @Rehmat
  39. iffen says:

    Flynn notoriously sees Islamic militancy not only as a danger, but as an existential threat to the US.

    Why should this be considered “notorious”?

  40. pyrrhus says:

    Trump is a bottom line guy, so Cockburn is wrong, as usual. I would be willing to take bets….

  41. Marcus says:

    What “demonization” of Muslims after 9/11? On the planet and country I was in, I recall Dubya saying over and over that Islam is peace, etc.

  42. Trump has framed Iran as a major regional power as a fait accompli. And he’s also expressed an extreme distaste for the “moderate” rebels of Syria.

    He’s also got a massive infrastructure plan that he’s repeatedly linked to not spending money bombing the Middle East.

    It is certainly possible that he gets roped into a war by a warmongering cabinet, but I think the neocons will have a much tougher sales job than they did with Bush.

  43. Talha says:

    He and his henchmen have already frightened and enraged hundreds of millions of Muslims and vastly expanded the constituency to which the jihadis can appeal.

    To a certain degree this is true, but the proof is in the pudding. We’ll have to give him at least a year to ascertain what positions he appoints people to and what policy stances he takes up. There do seem to be quite a few loose canons hovering around him – but I say give the man a chance. If he disengages from the ME there is a good chance we won’t have an increase toward recruitment for the extremist groups. Even a negligible recruitment uptick of .

    Even a negligible percentage of recruits from the total pool (say at .05% of all military age males out of total Muslim world population) would result in around 250,000 soldiers – not a bad sized army.

    There is both a rational fear of Muslims and an irrational fear – one must be savvy enough to distinguish between the two.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  44. iffen says:
    @Talha

    “There is both a rational fear of Muslims and an irrational fear – one must be savvy enough to distinguish between the two.”

    What are the chances of finding some golden tablets somewhere that have further instructions from Allah along the lines of, “It is time for a separation of Islam from government?”

    • Replies: @Talha
  45. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    No time soon. Government (whether it is a tribal confederacy, monarchy, democracy, etc.) is a part of human interaction/relationships, thus there is going to be something in Islam regarding it. The rulings of the Shariah have been either simply ignored or enforced by the rulers or government in charge over the various time periods and regions.

    The life of Imam Izzud-din Ibn Abdussalaam (ra) is quite instructive on this point. The man was nicknamed ‘Sultan ul-Ulema’ (the Leader of the Scholars) – a name not easily given – a Shafi’i scholar of immense learning (that he was deemed knowledgeable enough to start his own school if he had so wished). Yet when he denounced un-Islamic practices from the pulpit (of the Umayyad Mosque – no less) and the actions of the rulers (Ayyubids at the time), he was simply dismissed, imprisoned and exiled to Egypt where he had a better reception with the people and rulers. The state of the populace and their reception to its pronouncements is much more relevant to the relationship between Islam and government than anything else.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
  46. Talha says:
    @Talha

    For instance, Dubai is quite Muslim in composition, yet likely sports more night clubs and bars per square mile than most European capitals. I have also read that one can hardly disembark from a hotel elevator in certain areas without being propositioned by one or more nubile Russian ladies. The more religious-minded simply live and house their families in the close-by city of Sharjah.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  47. Marcus says:
    @Talha

    What do you think of this? I’m not sure of what background these “British” are (both the woman and her attackers). Could hurt tourism at least temporarily, probably not though.
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/19/middleeast/dubai-british-tourist-rape-arrest-claim/

    • Replies: @Talha
  48. bunga says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    One interesting but befitting with the rest dissection of the mindset that wanted Iraq society to disappear .

    —The Deciders
    The disastrous Iraq policies that led to ISIS were not President Bush’s.
    By John Hay • October 27, 2015 http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-deciders/
    “On May 9, 2003, President Bush appointed Bremer to the top civilian post in Iraq. A career diplomat who was recruited for this job by Wolfowitz and Libby, despite the fact that he had minimal experience of the region and didn’t speak Arabic, Bremer arrived in Baghdad on May 12 to take charge of the Coalition Provisional Authority, or CPA. In his first two weeks at his post, Bremer issued two orders that would turn out to be momentous. Enacted on May 16, CPA Order Number 1 “de-Baathified” the Iraqi government; on May 23, CPA Order Number 2 disbanded the Iraqi army. In short, Baath party members were barred from participation in Iraq’s new government and Saddam Hussein’s soldiers lost their jobs, taking their weapons with them.


    There had apparently been two National Security Council meetings, one on March 10 and another on March 12, during which the president approved a moderate de-Baathification policy and a plan, as reported by the New York Times’ Michael R. Gordon, to “use the Iraqi military to help protect the country.” (The invasion of Iraq began on March 19.) President Bush later told biographer Robert Draper that “the policy was to keep the army intact” but it “didn’t happen.”

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  49. Talha says:
    @Marcus

    Hey Marcus,

    Yeah, not much to go on here. Will it hurt tourism – don’t know – plenty of girls still flock to frat parties knowing that someone could slip them a ‘mickey’. Maybe if this something that happens so often that the authorities simply cannot hide it. Mixing sexually charged men, women and free flow of alcohol – to me – seems to be one of the most stupidest ideas ever – what could possibly go wrong?

    Did this stop women from spring breaking in 2016 or 17?
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/15/us/florida-panama-city-beach-spring-break/

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Marcus
  50. Talha says:
    @Talha

    Also, a bonus from that same article (about Spring Break)…Shariah-creep…

    Last month, the Bay County Commission and the Panama City Beach Council passed an ordinance that prohibits the consumption of alcohol on sandy beaches between March 1 and April 18.

    Bearded mullah bastards sitting on those municipal councils just won’t let folks have fun.

    Peace.

  51. Marcus says:
    @Talha

    I mean the authorities’ response, sure she could be lying, but it’s not going to play well in most of the world.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Karl
  52. Talha says:
    @Marcus

    Hey Marcus,

    I have no idea what motivates the authorities. My guess would be a combination of wanting to save face and keep the tourism going (which means for both men and women) – over-aggressive prosecution of men can have its own repercussions. There are reasons why men flock to these places as they flock to other places. Do you think the following will bring more tourism from Europe to Thailand or not?:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/17/thailand-is-closed-to-sex-tourism-says-countrys-first-female-tou/

    I guess there is always Angkor Wat – how splendid!

    And God help you if you happen to be a drunk female and find yourself in a room of a well-connected man from one of the many Emirati royal families and his buddies.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Talha
    , @Marcus
  53. Marcus says:
    @Talha

    Yeah Thailand has some great beaches and places to hike too. Unfortunately it, and SE Asia in general, attract a fair share of western perverts (and apparently wealthy Arabs looking for young brides). I actually have a relative in Dubai, and I’d like to visit one day, but the prices are beyond my modest means at the moment. Maybe I’ll go for work one day since I’m in the energy industry.

  54. Talha says:
    @Talha

    Before someone points out Angkor Wat is not in Thailand – I know (it is dotted with plenty of other formidable Wats – I mentioned it as the ‘Wats’ (temples) are the other big tourist attraction to Southeast Asia – and that one happens to be one of the most famous.

  55. Karl says:
    @E. A. Costa

    > Will the Russians fall for it?

    well apparently they will, if they can get Volcani Institute Coop-Extension advisers out of it.

    • Replies: @E. A. Costa
  56. Karl says:
    @Marcus

    how much time have you spent in UAE?

    Many people have many motives to fly into Dubai, but none of them are “tourists”.

    Outside of Dubai, the foreigners is just Pakistanis getting worked to death.

    And yours truly, sniffing around, doing this and that in the service of King David.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  57. Karl says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    > The clearing of the ME populations as in ethnic cleansing leaving those lands less populated.

    One can dream

    Sad to say, they are VERY fertile people.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  58. @Thirdeye

    Defining US interests as independent from those of Israel would be equally important and where Trump most likely doesn’t have the requisite cojones.

    Amen to that! Hillabeast had cojones but not the requisite ones either. We of the middle class will take it in the shorts as always. Damn, does this crap get old!

  59. Marcus says:
    @Karl

    Never been, I have a lot of oil industry coworkers who have been there and throughout the Gulf, one is even in Oman now, which I had no idea had a drop of oil.

  60. “For instance, one adviser to the Trump national security transition team is, according to Shane Harris and Nancy Youssef of The Daily Beast, one Clare Lopez, author of a book called See No Sharia, which says that Islamists and the Muslim Brotherhood in particular have infiltrated the White House and the FBI, as well as the US Departments of State, Justice, Defence and Homeland Security. Lopez believes that terrorists caused the 2008 financial crash by short-selling stocks.”

    I confess: I haven’t read any of the above referenced book; in fact I’m not well versed on any of this Middle East-Islamic geo-political business, but the Lopez assertions about infiltration by Muslim Brotherhood in Washington seem pretty plausible to me. How else would on explain Huma Abedin? (just one very contemporary example staring us all in the face)

    The 2008 financial crash thing does seem a little absurd though.

  61. Randal says:

    He added that what he termed Trump’s “hatred” towards Muslims would enable Isis to recruit thousands of fighters.

    The Isis calculation is that, as happened after 9/11, the demonisation and collective punishment of Muslims will propel a proportion of the Islamic community into its ranks. Given that there are 1.6 billion Muslims – about 23 per cent of the world’s population – Isis and al-Qaeda-type organisations need to win the loyalty of only a small proportion of the Islamic community to remain a powerful force.

    Numbers of recruits is only relevant to actual wars, as opposed to ultimately futile terrorist pinpricks (yes, including 9/11, for all the hysteria about it), if and when the jihadists have the direct or indirect support of substantial states. It was the US and UK that opened up Iraq to the jihadists. It was the UK and France backed by the US which opened up Libya to the jihadists. It is backing from US allies Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, nodded through and supplemented by the US and its European satellites, which has made it impossible to defeat the jihadists in Syria.

    As far as actual major jihadist wars are concerned, it will most likely be enough to prevent them if the US regime under Trump stops actually helping the jihadists, and allowing US protectorates, allies and satellite states to help them.

    Terrorist pinpricks are another issue, but that’s just a matter, as always, of making security and immigration controls as strong as practicable so as to prevent what can be prevented, whilst enduring what cannot be prevented.

  62. @Karl

    On verra:

    https://sputniknews.com/politics/201611181047592994-russia-china-alliance-us-trump/

    It is not just Israel by the way–Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait and so forth, all want an attack on Iran, or rather, want the US to do it for them.

    This is also what Señor Trump has often said he will do.

    This is no surprise, Israel and Saudi Arabia have been working together under the table for decades, and are now doing so in regard to ISIS, whìch is designed to be a prelude to the same attack on Iran.

    This article, strangely, does not mention an obvious Russian interest tying them to Iran–the Caspian.

  63. Marcus says:
    @Talha

    Yes, they are going from countries called the “Saudi Arabia of feminism” to basically the opposite. Maybe there’s something to learn from this: we’ve gotten too reliant on the police, whereas they are regarded with healthy skepticism in most of the Third World.
    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/warnings/tourists-in-uae-warned-against-reporting-crimes-as-woman-faces-jail-for-reporting-rape-to-police/news-story/4ad0b0c8747e9aa86669916f1e32fdec

  64. @Lemurmaniac

    Imagine that the U.S. falls apart politically into fifty independent states. If France launched a “crusade” in Texas and Kentucky, announced that it was at war with all Americans, and closed its borders to Americans on the grounds that we were all dangerous mass murderers…then yes, I suspect people in every state would gear up to “show France what murder actually looks like” until they got the f*** out of America.

    • Replies: @Nico
    , @Lemurmaniac
  65. @Art

    Good idea.

    Let’s also enact laws directing the US government to block and actively cyber-attack sites that spew Israeli or Saudi propaganda.

  66. utu says:

    IS conflict: How is it getting hold of weapons from the West? (On BBC 2 nights ago (only once))

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38048482

    Ammunition boxes were turning up that could be traced back to factories in Eastern Europe.

    It emerged that the material had been sold – legally – to the governments of the United States and Saudi Arabia. It was then shipped through Turkey.

    The destination was northern Syria and the opposition groups (which the US and Saudi Arabia supported) fighting President Bashar al-Assad. It is all up the US and Israel’s will.
    _______________

    To shut down the ISIS operation is very simple. Stop proving them with money and weapons and amphetamine their fighters need to sty crazy.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3290143/Saudi-prince-arrested-two-tonnes-amphetamines-loaded-private-jet-Lebanese-officials-foil-biggest-drug-smuggling-attempt-history.html

  67. Miro23 says:

    As usual Cockburn presents a blancmange of strange contradictory ideas.

    “What made 9/11 such a success for Osama bin Laden was not the destruction of the Twin Towers, but the US military reaction that produced the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.”

    First of all 9/11 wasn’t a “success for Osama bin Laden” since it wasn’t him who CD’d Building 7 and the other two towers. And why is the destruction of Afghanistan and Iraq a “success” for Arab activists? By this stupid argument the destruction of Israel would be a success for Zionist activists.

    The Taliban, al-Qaeda and Isis are all militarized fanatical movements born out of the chaos of war in Afghanistan and Iraq, and they are flourishing in similarly anarchic conditions in Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and beyond.

    Yes, and it was the US Neo-cons who enabled this chaos with their fake WMD story and collaboration in the 9/11 show.

    Clare Lopez, author of a book called See No Sharia, which says that Islamists and the Muslim Brotherhood in particular have infiltrated the White House and the FBI, as well as the US Departments of State, Justice, Defence and Homeland Security.

    Islamic extremism is a problem, and Trump is right to call it out, but the statement that ” the Muslim Brotherhood in particular have infiltrated the White House and the FBI, as well as the US Departments of State, Justice, Defence and Homeland Security” is just bizarre. It is the Pro-Israel lobby that has infiltrated Congress and the US administration and Trump seems to be looking for a ways to handle it without launching more ME wars.

  68. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Green Party nominee Jill Stein to file for recount in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin

    http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/11/green_party_nominee_jill_stein.html#

    ‘Miraculously,’ enough money arrived in one day for the recounts, but only in the three states Clinton lost. No recounts in those she ‘won.’

  69. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    So when Hillary voted for the illegal Iraq War, a prosperous ME nation that was NO threat to the USA, and when she twisted arms to get Obama to sign off on the bombing of Libya, again, no threat to the USA and when she put in motion the illegal war against Syria and was/is cheerleading for a war against Iran, those actions don’t recruit ME people seeking revenge?

    Using the 9/11 lie, the USA and its ‘Coalition of the Killing’ have murdered millions, destroyed several nations, and Mr. Peace Prize is droning his way to the record books, those actions don’t act as recruiting pluses?

  70. Nico says:

    Like the leftists they are, one of the Cockburns warns: “Let the Muslims in, or they will blow us up!”

    This mentality is the intellectual architecture for the ridiculous sums of ransom we have paid to Jihadist terrorist groups which have made Americans abroad effectively walking ATMs.

    You know, the most powerful leftists of all time, the Bolsheviks, took a similar point of view at first, persecuting Eastern Orthodoxy as an agent of the old empire and tolerating, even encouraging, religious and cultural revival among Islamic ethnics within Russia. Once they saw what that led to they quickly changed their tune.

    For whatever reason the Bolsheviks’ sycophants in the West, who as the despicable Cockburn aptly demonstrates have never gone away, have learned nothing from the pitfalls of their predators. (Of course, if they had, they probably would not be leftists in the first place.)

  71. Nico says:
    @KeepingItReal

    Ignoring, of course, the rather obvious fact that the U.S. and France, or what is left of the historical U.S. and France, share enough common civilizational tissue that an eventual conflict between the two would never play out anything remotely like that.

    I am no fan of the Bushes, the Clintons Obama but if this is the best the Blame America First crowd can do it’a no wonder they have nothing constructive to offer to anyone.

  72. I think Cockburn is letting his bias show here. There are a lot of big assumptions in this article, and not much in the way of hard evidence.

    For another view on General Flynn from Thierry Meyssan, who’s very pro-Syrian: http://www.voltairenet.org/article194153.html

  73. @bunga

    You are absolutely correct. This was around the time General Ricardo Sanchez took over and I seem to remember reports of him lacking experience and being in way over his head.

  74. @Karl

    Your wish for the ethnic cleansing of middle-easterners only means that more of them will be in Europe and the US, which means your wish is already coming true.

    Personally I would have preferred that they were left alone where they were happy and little threat to anyone. Certainly it wasn’t worth bankrupting the US like it has. It would appear that your interests lie with another nation and not the USA.

    • Agree: Talha
  75. Jayzerbee says:
    @WorkingClass

    Oh please–what are you, an uniformed high schooler or simply mean spirited?

  76. Rehmat says:
    @anonymous

    The latest Israel-First to join Donald Trump administration is South Carolina governor Nikki R. Haley as US ambassador at United Nations. He appointment has been hailed not only by Netanyahu but US traitors like Senators McCain and Graham.

    She is against BDS movement, nuclear deal with Iran and UN criticism of the ‘peace-loving’ Zionist regime …..

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/11/24/nikki-haley-israel-first-us-ambassador-at-un/

    • Replies: @Sherman
    , @anonymous
  77. Patrick Cockburn is and always has been a leftist twit. This article is the latest in a long line of nonsense he has spewed. Trump has NO interest in any more wars anywhere. His focus is the United States and keeping it fr0m circling the toilet bowl and becoming a Third World cesspool, as the UK, Cockburn’s “country”, is rapidly becoming. As for “blood-curdling threats” against Muslims made by Trump, my blood is not curdled at the idea of my government finally doing something to control these primitive, violent morons and keeping any more from invading my country. We should put this nancy boy on a no fly list pronto.

  78. @Thirdeye

    Apparently the author didn’t watch Obama’s debates with McCain.
    Obama was anything but a peace candidate. He spoke of the surge and taking the war to Pakistan. Obama also did his best to involve the U.S. in Syria, and was thwarted by Ted Cruz, of all people. Outside of his Nobel Peace Prize, Obama has nothing else on his resume as a peace maker, and that is negated by the smoking ruins of many a ME nation that he left in his wake.

    George Bush is an evil joke, but, at least, he gave the appearance of being a peace candidate when he first ran for president by claiming that the U.S
    would not be the world’s policeman. Obama didn’t even do that.

  79. Rex says:

    I really dislike this kind of self-righteous sophomoric hyperbole masquerading as intellectual thought. Ostensibly, Cockburn has been shaken to the core since the lady of truth and peace was trounced. Begone foolish boy.

  80. I can’t think of a good reason not to shut down immigration in general, and especially to nations that the U.S. has attacked. I don’t have a thing against Muslims, hispanics, Africans, ect., but they have their own nations, and should be forced to live in them. I don’t support invading or inviting.

  81. Sherman says:
    @Rehmat

    Hey Homer

    Nikki Haley is of Indian ancestry.

    This means she likely hates Pakistan.

    She’s got my support!

    Sherm

  82. Alden says:

    Who believes anything written by a Cockburn?

  83. Biff says:

    The Hildebeast has been put out to pasture, and the chances of a major war has been largely reduced, but that doesn’t mean the Donald won’t get a few shots off himself.

    Us anti-war conservatives breathed a sigh of relief seeing the Darth-Cheney bag of leather in a pant suit concede the loss, but the neo-conservatives are still out there, and that danger is real.

  84. @Lemurmaniac

    first of all NYC has a large muslim population and i have yet to meet a muslim clinton voter she is the anti Mohammed to them.
    second of all Cockburn’s a life long commie that wants the west dead so who cares what he says do the opposite
    and it really doesnt matter the old paradigm is over the battle is for white nationalism appeals to better relations with muslim citizens is stupid we want no muslim citizens because we have tried multiculturalism and its proved not only disastrous but genocidal to us.yeah sure joe sixpack isnt there yet but the left is explicitly cally for white genocide and enough whites on the dissident right undestand they are now within striking distance of the point of no return so the battle is on
    Islam should be condensed and contained made to eat their own terror and fed nothing but their own sand and oil they should be starved into a small submissive population where no one goes in or out, let them have their caliphate in the deserts

  85. jack ryan says: • Website

    “Blood-curdling proposals for the persecution of Muslims played a central role in Trump’s election campaign. At one moment, he promised to stop all Muslims from entering the US, though this was later changed to “extreme vetting”.”

    I respond:

    Please do P**** off.

    Controlling mass Islamic immigration isn’t “blood curdling” or extremists.

    It’s simply common sense – what any sane country like Japan, South Korea or Israel does.

    If this writer enjoys the multi cultural benefits of living in close proximity to tens of thousands of angry, hostile, Muslim males, he can go hang out in an Algerian no go slum outside of Paris or just move to Algeria.

    The entire White/Western/European population of Algeria was ethnically cleansed when French Algeria was handed over to Arab Muslim majority rule in 1962. This ethnic cleansing included the entire Jewish population.

    How come you don’t write about this Jewish Holocaust?

    Maybe you should go attend a gay pride party in ISIS controlled areas of Iraq or in Londonstan and enjoy the charming Islamist custom of being thrown off the roof!

    Pussies, Traitors, idiots.

  86. This author is another left wing extremist, diligently working within and for the left wing establishment of globalists running America and Europe into the ground. I yearn for the day a stake is driven into their black hearts.

  87. This article has so much hysteria in it one wonders where to start.

    Stopping further Muslim immigration to the US is not ‘blood-curdling persecution’.

    There was no ‘demonisation and collective punishment of Muslims’ after 9/11 – you may think that’s a good or bad thing, the point is it didn’t happen. Rather Bush & Blair visited mosques, gave them police guards and assured us Islam was a religion of peace. Since 9/11 the Muslim population of the UK has more than doubled, and there are three times as many mosques in the US as there were on 9/11.

    Instead the collective punishment was applied to the entire population, in the form of the surveillance state, laws against “Islamophobia”, and the fandango of belt removal, ’empty your pockets’, scanners etc which is modern air travel.

    It does not matter a jot to the US if Islamic forces “are flourishing in similarly anarchic conditions in Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and beyond” as long as they’re not capable of flourishing in the United States. A policy of not trashing Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and beyond is sensible in itself, but that’s by the by.

    “Isis and al-Qaeda-type organisations need to win the loyalty of only a small proportion of the Islamic community to remain a powerful force” – you make a powerful argument against Muslim immigration.

    The one sensible argument in this entire piece is that the US State department has been starting destructive Middle East wars for some time now, and they’ve got quite good at it. Whether they can persuade Mr Trump to join them in their bloody games remains to be seen, but it’s not a negligible risk.

    (In mitigation of this piece we should remember that Mr Cockburn writes for the Indie website, which exists to serve those who think the Guardian’s not SJW enough)

  88. gdpbull says:

    I don’t disagree with much of the article, except the part about the concern that Trump’s anti-Muslim stance will cause more ISIS recruits. And even there I agree that because Trump was elected, there may very well be more ISIS recruits. However, ISIS can never truly threaten the US. They can never be anything but terrorists outside of the middle east. There is no way they can transport an industrial army to the US, defeat the US military, and take over the country. They can only be terrorist. And in a nation of 300+ million people, terrorism is not even close to an existential threat. I’m sick of them being compared to Nazi Germany. They are no real threat to any non-goat-herder country.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  89. Lorax says:

    Give me a break! Counterpunch is a socialist rag controlled by who knows who.
    After reading the book “Thomas Jefferson and the Barbary Pirates” one has to conclude
    that the only factor that has ever prevented Muslim world domination is military force.

    • Replies: @Greg S.
    , @Talha
  90. annamaria says:
    @Art

    “The third way is to cyber-block any internet site that publishes ISIS propaganda – PERIOD.”
    This sounds reasonable, but not for ziocons: ” EU Parliament approves resolution to counter Russian media ‘propaganda’…” https://www.rt.com/news/367922-eu-resolution-russian-media/
    “… 304 MEPs supported the resolution based on the report ‘EU strategic communication to counteract propaganda against it by third parties’, with 179 voting against it and 208 abstaining. Members of the European Parliament take part in a voting session at the European Parliament in Strasbourg, France, November 22, 2016. Written by a Polish member of the European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR) group, Anna Fotyga, the report alleged that Moscow aims to “distort the truth, provoke doubt, divide the EU and its North American partners, paralyze the decision-making process, discredit the EU institutions and incite fear and uncertainty among EU citizens.”
    You see, the Saudis (the principal supporters of ISIS) are good, whereas the Russians (the effective fighters against ISIS) are baaaad.
    Anna Fotyga, the cold war warrior: https://consortiumnews.com/2016/06/06/europe-sleepwalks-toward-world-war-iii/
    The flexible Ms. Fotyga does not want to notice this: “Russia Kicked Out Of UN Human Rights Council; Saudi Arabia Reelected,” http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-29/russia-kicked-out-un-human-rights-council-saudi-arabia-reelected

  91. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    Re CIA briefings apparently Trump is not attending these

  92. Alden says:

    The Berlin De post office just decided that mail carriers would no longer go to certain areas of Berlin.

    Those areas are Turkish Muslim And not newly arrived Turks either. The thugs are the grandchildren of Turks who arrived in the 1960s as cheap labor. Not so cheap considering they live on welfare now

    They also live in those Berlin housing projects Michael Hudson thinks are so wonderful with their cheap rents for welfare slugs.

  93. Greg S. says:
    @Lorax

    Completely agree. Islam is much more than just a religion, it’s an entire political and military movement. But people are simply ignorant the actual history to know the truth. Countries that are today 99% Muslim, such as Turkey, were once multi-religious or predominantly Christian states.

    I wonder what people such as the author of this horrid opinion piece think happened?

  94. Alfred says:

    Anyone who still believes that Osama bin Laden brought down the 3 towers in New York is an ignoramus.

    What do you think the internet if for?

    Do your own research and don’t depend on the real “fake media”

    http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016474p21.pdf

    Even Trump – who knows a lot about skyscrapers – said at the time that the buildings (all 3) were blown up.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  95. @Alfred

    Many thanks to you and the many like you who understand their duty to honour those who died by constantly reprising the truth and exposing the lies. This is an article worth saving. Best wishes to you.

  96. Bodener says:

    The author conveniently admits how much Bush sucked up to Islam and cracked down against racial profiling against arabs/muslims throughout his presidency. He (though this technically the brainchild of the cockroach David Frum) basically coined “religion of peace” in a speech just days after 9/11. He was almost as bad as Obama when you get down to it. Though it’s unsurprising how this rhetoric did little to stop their hatred of us given how we invaded and bombed and destabilized so many of their countries.

    But honestly, I think that’s bound to insult and inflame muslims more than anything Trump has ever said. I don’t believe Trump’s rhetoric has had anymore than a marginal effect on ISIS recruiting- if that. Nevermind the whole angle of arguing Islam is a peaceful religion while at the same time believing that saying mean things about it will drive members of this supposed peaceful religion to join a terrorist organization that regularly does things no sane human being would do unless they were brainwashed or forced. I think the rhetoric that stands more likely to inflame and insult muslims is endlessly arguing that it’s a wholly peaceful religion, that it overwhelmingly shares the same values as what the “liberal” west cherish- IE, things that are contrary to the beliefs of easily hundreds of millions of muslims (which, while largely not as extreme as ISIS, are still “extreme” by any basic definition). At best, this has done nothing, because muslims throughout the west still hate us and still refuse to integrate (but many liberals believe this is also the result of racism, somehow.)

    I’m aware there’s been “evidence” cited ISIS is using Trump as a recruiting tool, because he’s been inflaming poor, marginalized muslims to want to engage in genocide and sexual slavery. But there’s also this, from Dabiq, the official magazine of ISIS:

    https://azelin.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/the-islamic-state-e2809cdacc84biq-magazine-1522.pdf

    “Shortly following the blessed attack on a sodomite, Crusader nightclub by the mujahid Omar Mateen, American politicians were quick to jump into the spotlight and denounce the shooting, declaring it a hate crime, an act of terrorism, and an act of senseless violence. A hate crime? Yes. Muslims undoubtedly hate liberalist sodomites, as does anyone else with any shred of their fitrah (inborn human nature) still intact. An act of terrorism? Most definitely. Muslims have been commanded to terrorize the disbelieving enemies of Allah. But an act of senseless violence? One would think that the average Westerner, by now, would have abandoned the tired claim that the actions of the mujahidin – who have repeatedly stated their goals, intentions, and motivations – don’t make sense.”

    “Many Westerners, however, are already aware that claiming the attacks of the mujahidin to be senseless and questioning incessantly as to why we hate the West and why we fight them is nothing more than a political act and a propaganda tool.”

    “The politicians will say it regardless of how much it stands in opposition to facts and common sense just to garner as many votes as they can for the next election cycle. The analysts and journalists will say it in order to keep themselves from becoming a target for saying something that the masses deem to be “politically incorrect.” The apostate “imams” in the West will adhere to the same tired cliché in order to avoid a backlash from the disbelieving societies in which they’ve chosen to reside. The point is, people know that it’s foolish, but they keep repeating it regardless because they’re afraid of the consequences of deviating from the script. There are exceptions among the disbelievers, no doubt, people who will unabashedly declare that jihad and the laws of the Shari’ah – as well as everything else deemed taboo by the Islam-is-a-peaceful-religion crowd – are in fact completely Islamic, but they tend to be people with far less credibility who are painted as a social fringe, so their voices are dismissed and a large segment of the ignorant masses continues believing the false narrative. As such, it becomes important for us to clarify to the West in unequivocal terms – yet again – why we hate you and why we fight you.”

    Wow- so ISIS itself has openly mocked the pro-muslim apologetics of western liberals and the idea that ISIS has nothing to do with Islam, and notes that people who know better are marginalized

    But what’s REALLY helping ISIS is not just saying mean things about Islam, but not letting swarms of refugees and muslims into the west to begin with (who are the only ones capable of doing so, unlike Saudi Arabia, who have never revealed any verified numbers on how many Syrian refugees they’ve let in.)

    “IF YOU SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT THE BELIEF SYSTEM OF THE ENEMY, AND REFUSE TO LET IN MILLIONS OF PEOPLE FROM THIS REGION, YOU’RE ACTUALLY HELPING THE ENEMY!!!” -Truly a sane, sensible idea that no doubt has countless precedents in history.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  97. @KeepingItReal

    So even under your dubious scenario what would actually rile up Americans is military intervention. Turns out THAT is the critical variable, not rhetoric about who comes into the country (a sovereign right)

  98. Boris N says:

    Just by accident I came across this statement of Trump (speech to the AIPAC, March 2016):

    We will totally dismantle Iran’s global terror network, which is big and powerful, but not powerful like us. Iran has seeded terror all over the world…in 25 different countries on five continents. Iran is the biggest sponsor of terrorism around the world, and we will work to dismantle that reach. Believe me. Believe me.

    Which statement has highly disappointed me. Trump played the very same card of the MSM, demonizing and blaming Iran for everything, while he said nothing about Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states which are the real sponsors of terrorism worldwide. Actually he said that Iran “will be a very major problem in Saudi Arabia”. How about that, eh? Trump looked so worried about Saudi Arabia. The tough guy would never let evil Iranians to hurt innocent Wahhabi Saudis. Meet Mr. Trump, the best friend of Wahhabis. How could one trust Trump after that? He’s simply following the neocon way of thinking and their agenda, taking sides in sectarian wars of the Middle East. He’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing. And his demagogic “believe me” end mark said twice looked really pathetic.

  99. Talha says:
    @Lorax

    Hey Lorax,

    the only factor that has ever prevented Muslim world domination is military force

    This is quite true prior to the establishment of the UN and current international norms and treaties. In the past, if one did not have an explicit bi-lateral agreement (non-aggression pact, alliance, etc.) with a Muslim state/sovereign, one could be expected to be attacked at-will and often were if the Muslim state had sufficient resources.

    Of course the following is also true of the pre-UN world; the only factor that has ever prevented European world domination is military force – since European nations operated on the same principle. When Europe got its act together, starting around the 16th/17th they were able to dominate about 2/3 of the world with their superior arms, top notch training and strategy and steel determination. The only way to stop them was a good showing on the battle field, but most lost – repeatedly. Even so, a solid showing on the battlefield would result in better concessions for the defeated. A lackadaisical or otherwise poor showing could possibly result in utter civilizational collapse which was at times quite swift and almost total – as the Mayans and Aztecs found out.

    Peace.

  100. annamaria says:
    @Bodener

    “…letting swarms of refugees and muslims into the west to begin with…”
    There was a swarm of Jewish refugees from Europe to South and North Americas and South Africa during WWII – why?
    Lets imagine that the US had not invaded Iraq on Ledeen/Wolfowitz/Cheney-concocted rationale. That Sarkozy and H. Clinton had not sent US/NATO’ superior weaponry to destroy the prosperous Libya (free healthcare, free education, various help to young families – why would Libyans suddenly decide to swarm for Europe?) That the CIA, Saudi, and Israeli had not been helping the liver-eaters to obliterate Syrian communities. That Qaddaffi’s able control continue preventing the flow of sab-saharan migrants (mostly young aggressive males) to Europe… The number of civilian casualties, courtesy US/NATO/Saudi “involvement,” is approaching there 2 million. Is it really surprising that desperate people grab their kids and head for Europe from the US/NATO’ “humanitarian interventions?”
    The ziocons/MIC/Fed.reserve have been working hand in glove on remaking the Middle East. Here is a suggestion: stop destroying the functioning countries that neighbor Israel. No destruction of the cities and towns in the Middle East = no swarms of muslim refugees from their ruined states to the west.

    • Replies: @Talha
  101. A Hillary fan projecting the worst aspects of Hillary onto Donald.

  102. dahoit says:
    @Diogenes

    Cockburn is a commie propagandist as are all those Cockburns.Divide and conquer,check out all their outlets,from CP to TD to TO etc etc.
    Yes,Trump has said he would go after IsUS,but we are already allegedly at war with them in Iraq,so it wouldn’t be a new war,it would be,instead of this charade,an actual war,or better yet,a clampdown on the funders of all this nonsense,SA,Israel and the Gulf states,and voila,no more war.
    As far as Israel,America first precludes their current theft of our government under the dweeb traitors shrub and Obomba,so I would wait and see on the Israel dominance issue,but remember Trump owes them absolutely nothing.

  103. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rehmat

    She is a racist Indian who are against Muslims all over the world, and in the service of the baby killers, the Jewish Zionists. India is a colony of the criminal west and Zionist mass murderers. They are petty, petty, petty people. That’s why they have been a colony for ever, even today. They sleep with mass murderers.

    • Replies: @Rehmat
  104. Talha says:
    @annamaria

    Hey annamaria,

    Good post.

    No destruction of the cities and towns in the Middle East = no swarms of muslim refugees from their ruined states to the west.

    You would think people would have made the connection by now. Most Muslim countries were not preferable places to reside vis-a-vis the West, but the massive swarms of unemployed males and others marching across borders into Europe simply never happened before certain countries were made completely unstable.

    And these neocons wanted to smash Iran – I wonder how that would have changed the demographics of the people crossing borders?

    Peace.

  105. @gdpbull

    “They can only be terrorist”.

    So no big deal with an occasional few hundred bombing victims, as long as they cannot invade and take over the US, is what you are implying.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

  106. Rehmat says:
    @anonymous

    If you ever dare to study India’s first prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru book, “The Discovery of India” you will learn that he gave credit to Muslims for establishing a great civilization in the Indian sub-continents at the times when Jews were stealing Christian babies for religious sacrifices (Blood Libel).

    In 2013, Jewish professor and author, Bernard Starr, in an article, titled, ‘The Return of the Blood Libel’ has claimed that the Christians’ accusation of Jews using blood of Christian children for religious rituals which dates back to the Middle Ages is on the rise in Europe. Starr has based his claim on Morton Gyongyosi, leader of Hungary’s nationalist Jobbik party, who last year asked country’s prime minister Viktor Orban to compile a list of Israeli Jews living in Hungary including Jewish members of country’s parliament – as they’s pose “national security risk”. Gyongyos in an interview with British Israel lobby mouthpiece, the Jewish Chronicle, published on February 2, 2012, pointed out that Israeli Jews are treating Palestinian natives like Nazis treated Jews. He also claimed that the story that 400,000 Jews were killed or deported from Hungary was a big lie. Gyongyosi also told Jewish Chronicle that the conflicts in the Middle East were created by the US and Israel …..

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/11/07/author-blood-label-against-jews-on-rise/

  107. HYM says:

    US invasions against Afghanistan (2001), Iraq (2003) and Libya (2011) were all against three Sunni governments.

    While the US invasion empowered Shia to gain power in Iraq, US government has failed to help the over 90% of Sunni majority in Syria. The current upraising in Syria is to get rid of a minority dictatorial government that has been in power since the early 1970s. Both US and Russia are helping the Assad regime while the massacre of Sunni civilians continues.

    The US political establishment helps Shia Iran dominate all of the Sunni nations that surround it. This is the root cause of the Sunni anger. Let us hope Trump – if his administration survives the recounts – will change course.

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