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As President Trump withdraws certification of the nuclear agreement with Iran, commentators across the world struggled for words to adequately convey their outrage and contempt. A favourite term to describe Trump is as “a wrecking ball”, but the phrase suggests a sense of direction and capacity to strike a target which Trump does not possess.

The instant that Trump decertifies the deal struck by President Obama in 2015, the US becomes a lesser power and Iran a greater one, because he will confirm the belief that America is led by an egoist motivated by ignorant prejudice. Accusations of mental derangement have always been part of common currency of political abuse, but there is a growing belief among international leaders that in Trump’s case there might be something to it, though they have few ideas about what they should do about this.

Their bemusement is understandable given that the situation is so bizarre. In the past, highly neurotic individuals were most like to gain power as hereditary monarchs, Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany being a prime example. Full blown psychoses are less common, though madness of Charles VI of France and Henry VI of England in the late Middle Ages precipitate both countries into civil wars. What is extraordinary about Trump’s all-consuming egomania, or what some call “malignant narcissism”, is that it did not prevent his rise to power.

Iranian leaders may calculate that, short of all-out war, they come out the winner: the US-led coalition of states that once isolated Iran has disintegrating and today it is the US that risks isolation. Germany, Britain, France, Russia and China and the UN nuclear watchdog all say that Iran has abided by the terms of the agreement. The ability of the US to line up all the other big powers in support of a deal brokered by itself was proof that the US was a superpower; its abandonment will have the opposite effect. As if this was not damaging enough to the US, turning over the whole mess to a dysfunctional Congress only highlights the implosion of US influence in the world.

Suggestions in western capitals that they might paper over the breach with America by disagreeing with Washington over the nuclear deal but supporting US allegations that Iran is trying to destabilise the Middle East do not really work. This demonisation of Iran as the sinister hidden hand in the Middle East is just as misleading and simple-minded as Trump’s views on the nuclear weapons deal. Much of what he and his administration says is regurgitation of Saudi and Israeli propaganda which may not even be believed in Riyadh and Tel Aviv.

The relationship between Iran and the US has always been a complex mixture of hostility and cooperation. The antagonism dates from the overthrow of the Shah in 1979, the seizure of US diplomats and embassy in Tehran, and the Iran-Iraq war. But this has also been accompanied by a high degree of de facto – and often covert – cooperation: since Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait in in 1990, Washington and Tehran have often found themselves sharing the same enemies. Tehran benefited as a regional power in 2001 when the US overthrew the Taliban in Afghanistan and again in 2003 with the fall of Saddam Hussein. Iran and the US had a similar interest in preventing Isis and al-Qaeda winning in Syria or Iraq after Isis captured Mosul in 2014.

The US and its allies were always circumspect, when they were not being dishonest, about their cooperation with Tehran in Iraq. After Nouri al-Maliki was chosen as Iraqi PM in 2006, an Iraqi official called me to say that “the Great Satan”, the Iranian term for the US, and “the Axis of Evil”, the US term for Iran, had “come together to give us our new leader.” His successor, Haider al-Abadi, also required endorsement from both Washington and Tehran.

One of the many negative consequences of the election of Trump is that his failings are so glaring that they obscure those of the rest of his administration and other US and international leaders. Hillary Clinton’s grasp of the likely consequences of US actions in Iraq, Syria and Libya was always limited. David Cameron and Nicholas Sarkozy happily led the way for Nato to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi with no sensible thoughts about the aftermath. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson won some credit by reportedly calling Trump “a moron”, but he quite untruthfully told the Iranian Foreign Minister Muhammad Javid Zarif that the US-Iranian “relationship has been defined by violence – against us”.

In reality, Iranian strength in the Middle East depends on its position as the leading Shia power and its influence is largely confined to countries with significant Shia communities: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan and Yemen. The US, Saudi and Israeli picture of Iran, as permanently plotting to destabilise the Middle East, misstates Iranian ambitions and exaggerates their capacity.

So much of what Trump says turns out to be the soon-to-be forgotten tweet of the day, that the impact of decertification is impossible to predict. He denounced President Obama’s weakness in Iraq and Syria, but changed US policy has changed very little because the Pentagon largely calls the shots and he does not know what else to do. A summary of his new approach says the new policy will in future focus “on neutralising the government of Iran’s destabilising influence and constraining its aggression, particularly its support for terrorism and militants”. This could mean that in the future the US will regard anyone opposing Saudi Arabia or its allies as a terrorist or it could mean nothing at all.

ORDER IT NOW

The current crisis in the Middle East consists of multiple crises that cross-infect each other. The biggest crisis is with Isis which is facing defeat in Iraq and Syria, but is not quite eliminated. It has lost the war in both countries because it has been under attack from a range of enemies from the US air force to Hezbollah, Syrian Kurds, Iraqi Shia paramilitaries, Syrian army and Russians. These countries and movements may not like each other and may not coordinate their attacks on Isis, but cumulatively they have worn down the jihadis. Isis commanders will hope that the new Trump policy will open up divisions among its numerous enemies enabling it to survive and regenerate itself.

The Iranians are sensibly saying very little, presumably calculating that nothing they do will be quite so damaging to US interests as what Trump is doing. The true destabiliser in the Middle East is not Iran but Trump himself.

(Republished from The Independent by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Issac says:

    “The instant that Trump decertifies the deal struck by President Obama in 2015, the US becomes a lesser power and Iran a greater one, because he will confirm the belief that America is led by an egoist motivated by ignorant prejudice.”

    Is this another instance in which we role-play as though Israel isn’t the most influential lobby in the United States and Trump was somehow going to reset relationships with a country he openly decried during his election campaign? I wager more people would have been shocked that he left the deal as negotiated by the previous administration.

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  2. KA says:

    Can Trump deliver a mortal bite ?

    “The procedere here would be that the US officially complains that Iran is acting in violation of the JCPOA. Then there would be a several weeks long court like process in listening to both sides complaints, and at the end there will be a vote among the 8 signatory powers of the JCPOA, ie the US, the EU, Germany, France, UK, China, Russia and Iran. If the majority of these 8 signatory powers votes that Iran has violated the deal and sanctions should be slapped back, UN sanctions are slapped back. It means, if Iran, Russia and China vote against and the Western block unanimously votes for reinstating UN sanctions, UN sanctions will be slapped back. Of the western signatory powers the toughest nut to crack for Bibi and his Congress is likely the EU.”http://mondoweiss.net/2017/10/trumps-stance-friends/

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  3. President Trump’s decertification of the Obama Iran deal is simply another clueless no-brainer foreign policy move that betrays the Prez’s incapacity to rise to the challenges of the US presidency; and it would be greatly desirable if either the American People or Trump himself would admit that incapacity and call for a re-take of the 2016 American elections. But still, the spread of Iranian hegemony in Iraq and Syria, combined with Vladimir Putin’s stronger clout in Turkey, Syria, and Iran, does represent a major blow against Western (US, British, and EU) influence in the Middle East, and a significant danger to an already perilously destabilized world-system, poised on the brink of a wider (world?) war. And as the Unholy Alliance of unlikely allies that came together to fight the Islamic State collapses, its leaves Iranian forces controlling the US-backed Iraqi government and Shiite militias ruling over a Sunni population likely to rise again against them (again), and an Iranian/Russian alliance largely in control of a Syrian population who will never accept Bashar al-Assad’s tyrannical rule, even with Iranian/Russian support, after the horrible war-crimes and atrocities committed by the Syrian/Russian/Iranian alliance.

    I therefore have to think that Obama’s Iran deal, however helpful in the short term in avoiding a US/Iran war and creating the Unholy Alliance that defeated (temporarily?) the IS, was still a bad foreign policy move which allowed Iran and Russia to greatly increase their sphere of influence in the Middle East without producing any stability in the region. (Anybody remember the thin red line? Thought so…) President Trump’s move doesn’t solve anything, it just makes the bad foreign policy blunder worse. But, still, there are good reasons to oppose the rise of Iranian ascendancy in the Middle East, beyond Iran’s support for Shiite terrorism (no better than Saudi-backed Sunni terrorism) and its crushing of dissent at home (anybody remember the Green Movement? Mousavi? Karoubi? Didn’t think so…). The only credible agents in the Middle East situation at present are the Kurds, who deserve credit for the defeat of the IS if anybody does, and so also deserve their own State, which would be the only democratic polity in the region (pace Israel) and a shining example for others; and a Kurdish State would serve as a first step toward the partition of Iraq and Syria into Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish regions, with stable borders and internal security, which is what is already happening, and which is the only chance for a cessation of sectarian terrorism in Syria and Iraq and an end to the international war on terror, although President Trump (and Patrick Cockburn, either….) doesn’t recognize it, yet.

    And after the Kurds get their State, maybe the Iranians, too, like the Kurds, can be brought into the international community as responsible agents and made to give up their support for terrorism. And after that… What about the Saudis? And Israel? Or, heck. What about the US?…

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    You seem clueless where Middle East is concerned, as your statement illustrates.

    And as the Unholy Alliance of unlikely allies that came together to fight the Islamic State collapses, its leaves Iranian forces controlling the US-backed Iraqi government and Shiite militias ruling over a Sunni population likely to rise again against them (again),
     
    The majority (more than 60%) of the Iraqi population is Shia. Yes, there will be Sunnis and Kurds in Iraq as well but if every time a country is divided along ethnic lines we will have thousands of mini countries around the world.

    But, still, there are good reasons to oppose the rise of Iranian ascendancy in the Middle East, beyond Iran’s support for Shiite terrorism (no better than Saudi-backed Sunni terrorism) and its crushing of dissent at home (anybody remember the Green Movement? Mousavi? Karoubi? Didn’t think so…).
     
    Either you don't know what terrorism is or you have been drinking Israeli/Saudi Koolaid. Ever since the rise of Al-Qaeda/ISIS, Shias have been on the receiving end of Wahabi terrorism. Ayman Al-Zwahiri and Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi have/had proudly proclaimed that it is better to kill one Shia than kill ten Jews. A practice Al-Qaeda and ISIS has carried out in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Yemen, and Iraq. It appears that in your books, fighting terrorism is itself terrorism. As to the the dissent in 2009 (the Green Movement), do you remember the "occupy wall street" movement? Didn't think so...

    and a Kurdish State would serve as a first step toward the partition of Iraq and Syria into Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish regions, with stable borders and internal security,
     
    And so you finally give away your real identity. You are an Israeli agent wanting to divide all the Muslim countries into several tiny little countries so that Israel can hover over them like a big ugly monster and live happily after. No wait a minute. Jews cannot live happily ever after. They will always want more.
    , @anonymous
    [But still, the spread of Iranian hegemony in Iraq and Syria, combined with Vladimir Putin’s stronger clout in Turkey, Syria, and Iran, does represent a major blow against Western (US, British, and EU) influence in the Middle East,..]

    Who is this zionist jew? On what basis you reserve the right to have 'influence' in our region? Iran is in its own region and is trying to force YOUR terrorists (US-Israel-Britain) out and neutralize YOUR destabilization plot that you NEED to implement Oded Yinon which is DEAD along with its supporters.
    The criminal west must fuck off from the region or face total destruction. What US is doing in Syria?
    Russia must give these invaders warning and if they don't leave, then their position should be bombed. The axis of evil US-Israel-Britain are invaders, terrorists, rapist and thieves where should be forced out. Iran is in the region for over 7000 years dummies, it is YOU that is invaders and colonists.

    [And after the Kurds get their State, maybe the Iranians, too, like the Kurds, can be brought into the international community as responsible agents]

    The kurds NEVER get a state. They never had a state, why these traitor who are in the services of zionists and imperialists mass murderers to get state? They should not have an army either. No one has ever heart of a 'federation' that has an army BIGGER THAN THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. This shows very well that pushing for a second Israel is the ziofascists plot and the criminal West project where NEVER will be realized. This is OUR region not the criminal west and their extension Israel.
    The Barzani mafia family is corrupt and is NOT a president since 2015. He is an agent of the imperialists and zionists mass murderers, where has NO international support and NEVER will. The Barzani clan has stolen Iraqi land of kirkuk through ethnic cleansing (like the zionists) to ship oil to the occupied land of Palestine to satisfy his masters. The liberation of Kirkuk by Iraqi army in in the process, so the zionists and imperialists must get lost from Iraq. Israel support for corrupt Barzani adds to NOTHING since Israel is an illegitimate entity itself where continue to exist through ethnic cleansing, burning children by white phosphorous bombs, expansionist policy, invasion into neighboring countries, repeated bombing and support of the criminal West. This morning we heart again that Israel has bombed Syria. Why Syria and Russia does not bomb Israel now? How many times Russia wants to cooperate with the zionist entity? If Russia cannot protect Syria then get out.

    We never allow a second Israel in our region to ship the oil and gas resources to zionist entity.

    Jewish state already exists in New York, and the zionists must move out of the stolen land go NY, the Jewish state. The Khazaris have NO RELATIONS WITH THE LAND OF PALESTINE. They used to live around the Black Sea and adopted Judaism in ninth century. Jewish is NOT a race rather religion.
    , @eric d. meyer
    I'm glad to see I've attracted extremists on all sides, who at least can agree they hate Jews and Kurds. And me, too, I guess. But with the current attacks on the Kurds from extremists on all sides, I hope the Kurds. who really did shoulder the greatest burden of fighting the Islamic State, after the Iraqi Army fled, don't get stabbed in the back again by the West, and massacred as they were under Sada'am, and as they would be under Turkey Iran and Syria. These comments also show that the only hope for peace in the Middle East is to keep rabid extremists, like my dear friends here, separated from each other behind secure borders, so they can't go on killing each other, as they have, in the case of the Sunnis and Shia, since the Karbala massacre of 680 CE. and as they have since the creation of the State of Israel in 1948, which, I admit, was a big mistake and caused all kinds of bloodshed. But since we can't turn back history or go backwards, I guess we will just have to learn to live with it, won't we? Or go on killing each other, as my dear friends here apparently advocate...

    PS Hope this gets posted somewhere, since it keeps getting deleted
    , @Wally
    Though I support Iran against the fake Zionist / Israeli 'nuclear weapons' charges, but in all fairness, didn't Obama usurp the power of Congress in making the current deal?

    Isn't Trump actually right to throw it back to Congress?

    Fighting Trump on this may well be a two edged sword.

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  4. MEexpert says:
    @eric d. meyer
    President Trump's decertification of the Obama Iran deal is simply another clueless no-brainer foreign policy move that betrays the Prez's incapacity to rise to the challenges of the US presidency; and it would be greatly desirable if either the American People or Trump himself would admit that incapacity and call for a re-take of the 2016 American elections. But still, the spread of Iranian hegemony in Iraq and Syria, combined with Vladimir Putin's stronger clout in Turkey, Syria, and Iran, does represent a major blow against Western (US, British, and EU) influence in the Middle East, and a significant danger to an already perilously destabilized world-system, poised on the brink of a wider (world?) war. And as the Unholy Alliance of unlikely allies that came together to fight the Islamic State collapses, its leaves Iranian forces controlling the US-backed Iraqi government and Shiite militias ruling over a Sunni population likely to rise again against them (again), and an Iranian/Russian alliance largely in control of a Syrian population who will never accept Bashar al-Assad's tyrannical rule, even with Iranian/Russian support, after the horrible war-crimes and atrocities committed by the Syrian/Russian/Iranian alliance.

    I therefore have to think that Obama's Iran deal, however helpful in the short term in avoiding a US/Iran war and creating the Unholy Alliance that defeated (temporarily?) the IS, was still a bad foreign policy move which allowed Iran and Russia to greatly increase their sphere of influence in the Middle East without producing any stability in the region. (Anybody remember the thin red line? Thought so...) President Trump's move doesn't solve anything, it just makes the bad foreign policy blunder worse. But, still, there are good reasons to oppose the rise of Iranian ascendancy in the Middle East, beyond Iran's support for Shiite terrorism (no better than Saudi-backed Sunni terrorism) and its crushing of dissent at home (anybody remember the Green Movement? Mousavi? Karoubi? Didn't think so...). The only credible agents in the Middle East situation at present are the Kurds, who deserve credit for the defeat of the IS if anybody does, and so also deserve their own State, which would be the only democratic polity in the region (pace Israel) and a shining example for others; and a Kurdish State would serve as a first step toward the partition of Iraq and Syria into Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish regions, with stable borders and internal security, which is what is already happening, and which is the only chance for a cessation of sectarian terrorism in Syria and Iraq and an end to the international war on terror, although President Trump (and Patrick Cockburn, either....) doesn't recognize it, yet.

    And after the Kurds get their State, maybe the Iranians, too, like the Kurds, can be brought into the international community as responsible agents and made to give up their support for terrorism. And after that... What about the Saudis? And Israel? Or, heck. What about the US?...

    You seem clueless where Middle East is concerned, as your statement illustrates.

    And as the Unholy Alliance of unlikely allies that came together to fight the Islamic State collapses, its leaves Iranian forces controlling the US-backed Iraqi government and Shiite militias ruling over a Sunni population likely to rise again against them (again),

    The majority (more than 60%) of the Iraqi population is Shia. Yes, there will be Sunnis and Kurds in Iraq as well but if every time a country is divided along ethnic lines we will have thousands of mini countries around the world.

    But, still, there are good reasons to oppose the rise of Iranian ascendancy in the Middle East, beyond Iran’s support for Shiite terrorism (no better than Saudi-backed Sunni terrorism) and its crushing of dissent at home (anybody remember the Green Movement? Mousavi? Karoubi? Didn’t think so…).

    Either you don’t know what terrorism is or you have been drinking Israeli/Saudi Koolaid. Ever since the rise of Al-Qaeda/ISIS, Shias have been on the receiving end of Wahabi terrorism. Ayman Al-Zwahiri and Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi have/had proudly proclaimed that it is better to kill one Shia than kill ten Jews. A practice Al-Qaeda and ISIS has carried out in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Yemen, and Iraq. It appears that in your books, fighting terrorism is itself terrorism. As to the the dissent in 2009 (the Green Movement), do you remember the “occupy wall street” movement? Didn’t think so…

    and a Kurdish State would serve as a first step toward the partition of Iraq and Syria into Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish regions, with stable borders and internal security,

    And so you finally give away your real identity. You are an Israeli agent wanting to divide all the Muslim countries into several tiny little countries so that Israel can hover over them like a big ugly monster and live happily after. No wait a minute. Jews cannot live happily ever after. They will always want more.

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    And so you finally give away your real identity. You are an Israeli agent wanting to divide all the Muslim countries into several tiny little countries so that Israel can hover over them like a big ugly monster and live happily after. No wait a minute. Jews cannot live happily ever after. They will always want more.

    Excellent reply. According to Uncle Uri Avnery "Separation Is Beautiful", Israel is to be divided between the Elite Ashkenazi (European Jews) and the Subjugated Mizrahim (Oriental Jews) and the New State for the Mizrahim Jews to be called, "Medinat Mizrah".

    http://original.antiwar.com/avnery/2017/10/06/separation-is-beautiful/

    What a beautiful proposition, since we are dividing Middle East into Sectarian/Ethnic Lines. I am pretty sure that Jews have many sects too, and Israel should be divided based on these sects/ethnicity, with stable borders and international security.
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  5. Kevin says:

    Here is a chilling thought. Instead of Russia-Gate we might had Israel-Gate. Israel interfering in the USA Presidential Election for Trump……

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    a sign of the willful ignorance of the american public, anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together would have noticed AIPACs influence on our elections and elected officials, but try giving someone the full story and their eyes glaze over and the word antisemite begins floating around their spacious skulls.

    but tell them simply "russia hacked the elections" and they will believe you 100%
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  6. Kevin says:
    @MEexpert
    You seem clueless where Middle East is concerned, as your statement illustrates.

    And as the Unholy Alliance of unlikely allies that came together to fight the Islamic State collapses, its leaves Iranian forces controlling the US-backed Iraqi government and Shiite militias ruling over a Sunni population likely to rise again against them (again),
     
    The majority (more than 60%) of the Iraqi population is Shia. Yes, there will be Sunnis and Kurds in Iraq as well but if every time a country is divided along ethnic lines we will have thousands of mini countries around the world.

    But, still, there are good reasons to oppose the rise of Iranian ascendancy in the Middle East, beyond Iran’s support for Shiite terrorism (no better than Saudi-backed Sunni terrorism) and its crushing of dissent at home (anybody remember the Green Movement? Mousavi? Karoubi? Didn’t think so…).
     
    Either you don't know what terrorism is or you have been drinking Israeli/Saudi Koolaid. Ever since the rise of Al-Qaeda/ISIS, Shias have been on the receiving end of Wahabi terrorism. Ayman Al-Zwahiri and Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi have/had proudly proclaimed that it is better to kill one Shia than kill ten Jews. A practice Al-Qaeda and ISIS has carried out in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Yemen, and Iraq. It appears that in your books, fighting terrorism is itself terrorism. As to the the dissent in 2009 (the Green Movement), do you remember the "occupy wall street" movement? Didn't think so...

    and a Kurdish State would serve as a first step toward the partition of Iraq and Syria into Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish regions, with stable borders and internal security,
     
    And so you finally give away your real identity. You are an Israeli agent wanting to divide all the Muslim countries into several tiny little countries so that Israel can hover over them like a big ugly monster and live happily after. No wait a minute. Jews cannot live happily ever after. They will always want more.

    And so you finally give away your real identity. You are an Israeli agent wanting to divide all the Muslim countries into several tiny little countries so that Israel can hover over them like a big ugly monster and live happily after. No wait a minute. Jews cannot live happily ever after. They will always want more.

    Excellent reply. According to Uncle Uri Avnery “Separation Is Beautiful”, Israel is to be divided between the Elite Ashkenazi (European Jews) and the Subjugated Mizrahim (Oriental Jews) and the New State for the Mizrahim Jews to be called, “Medinat Mizrah”.

    http://original.antiwar.com/avnery/2017/10/06/separation-is-beautiful/

    What a beautiful proposition, since we are dividing Middle East into Sectarian/Ethnic Lines. I am pretty sure that Jews have many sects too, and Israel should be divided based on these sects/ethnicity, with stable borders and international security.

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    @eric d. meyer
    President Trump's decertification of the Obama Iran deal is simply another clueless no-brainer foreign policy move that betrays the Prez's incapacity to rise to the challenges of the US presidency; and it would be greatly desirable if either the American People or Trump himself would admit that incapacity and call for a re-take of the 2016 American elections. But still, the spread of Iranian hegemony in Iraq and Syria, combined with Vladimir Putin's stronger clout in Turkey, Syria, and Iran, does represent a major blow against Western (US, British, and EU) influence in the Middle East, and a significant danger to an already perilously destabilized world-system, poised on the brink of a wider (world?) war. And as the Unholy Alliance of unlikely allies that came together to fight the Islamic State collapses, its leaves Iranian forces controlling the US-backed Iraqi government and Shiite militias ruling over a Sunni population likely to rise again against them (again), and an Iranian/Russian alliance largely in control of a Syrian population who will never accept Bashar al-Assad's tyrannical rule, even with Iranian/Russian support, after the horrible war-crimes and atrocities committed by the Syrian/Russian/Iranian alliance.

    I therefore have to think that Obama's Iran deal, however helpful in the short term in avoiding a US/Iran war and creating the Unholy Alliance that defeated (temporarily?) the IS, was still a bad foreign policy move which allowed Iran and Russia to greatly increase their sphere of influence in the Middle East without producing any stability in the region. (Anybody remember the thin red line? Thought so...) President Trump's move doesn't solve anything, it just makes the bad foreign policy blunder worse. But, still, there are good reasons to oppose the rise of Iranian ascendancy in the Middle East, beyond Iran's support for Shiite terrorism (no better than Saudi-backed Sunni terrorism) and its crushing of dissent at home (anybody remember the Green Movement? Mousavi? Karoubi? Didn't think so...). The only credible agents in the Middle East situation at present are the Kurds, who deserve credit for the defeat of the IS if anybody does, and so also deserve their own State, which would be the only democratic polity in the region (pace Israel) and a shining example for others; and a Kurdish State would serve as a first step toward the partition of Iraq and Syria into Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish regions, with stable borders and internal security, which is what is already happening, and which is the only chance for a cessation of sectarian terrorism in Syria and Iraq and an end to the international war on terror, although President Trump (and Patrick Cockburn, either....) doesn't recognize it, yet.

    And after the Kurds get their State, maybe the Iranians, too, like the Kurds, can be brought into the international community as responsible agents and made to give up their support for terrorism. And after that... What about the Saudis? And Israel? Or, heck. What about the US?...

    [But still, the spread of Iranian hegemony in Iraq and Syria, combined with Vladimir Putin’s stronger clout in Turkey, Syria, and Iran, does represent a major blow against Western (US, British, and EU) influence in the Middle East,..]

    Who is this zionist jew? On what basis you reserve the right to have ‘influence’ in our region? Iran is in its own region and is trying to force YOUR terrorists (US-Israel-Britain) out and neutralize YOUR destabilization plot that you NEED to implement Oded Yinon which is DEAD along with its supporters.
    The criminal west must fuck off from the region or face total destruction. What US is doing in Syria?
    Russia must give these invaders warning and if they don’t leave, then their position should be bombed. The axis of evil US-Israel-Britain are invaders, terrorists, rapist and thieves where should be forced out. Iran is in the region for over 7000 years dummies, it is YOU that is invaders and colonists.

    [And after the Kurds get their State, maybe the Iranians, too, like the Kurds, can be brought into the international community as responsible agents]

    The kurds NEVER get a state. They never had a state, why these traitor who are in the services of zionists and imperialists mass murderers to get state? They should not have an army either. No one has ever heart of a ‘federation’ that has an army BIGGER THAN THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. This shows very well that pushing for a second Israel is the ziofascists plot and the criminal West project where NEVER will be realized. This is OUR region not the criminal west and their extension Israel.
    The Barzani mafia family is corrupt and is NOT a president since 2015. He is an agent of the imperialists and zionists mass murderers, where has NO international support and NEVER will. The Barzani clan has stolen Iraqi land of kirkuk through ethnic cleansing (like the zionists) to ship oil to the occupied land of Palestine to satisfy his masters. The liberation of Kirkuk by Iraqi army in in the process, so the zionists and imperialists must get lost from Iraq. Israel support for corrupt Barzani adds to NOTHING since Israel is an illegitimate entity itself where continue to exist through ethnic cleansing, burning children by white phosphorous bombs, expansionist policy, invasion into neighboring countries, repeated bombing and support of the criminal West. This morning we heart again that Israel has bombed Syria. Why Syria and Russia does not bomb Israel now? How many times Russia wants to cooperate with the zionist entity? If Russia cannot protect Syria then get out.

    We never allow a second Israel in our region to ship the oil and gas resources to zionist entity.

    Jewish state already exists in New York, and the zionists must move out of the stolen land go NY, the Jewish state. The Khazaris have NO RELATIONS WITH THE LAND OF PALESTINE. They used to live around the Black Sea and adopted Judaism in ninth century. Jewish is NOT a race rather religion.

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  8. For the U.S. any agreement as important one touching on nuclear weapon capacity should be presented to the U.S. Senate for a formal vote as a treaty. This Iran deal never had a shred of credibility and so would predictably fail on the floor of the Senate which is why Obama never submitted it as a treaty. Within America this so-called agreement has been illegitimate since the moment it was publicly presented because Obama evaded Constitutional limitations on the president’s power to entangle the country in foreign agreements.

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    Then why was it not challenged in court?
    , @anon
    Putting sanction is illegal. Killing Scientist is illegal. Including it in Axis of Evil is illegal. Producing mass hateful menacing threatening policy papers and mixing them with propaganda are illegal. Forcing other countries to sign on to this efforts by hook and crook are illegals. Being around the periphery of that country is illegal.
    Creating boogey man so that defense spending stays same and lobbyists get paid and most incompetent get elected in offices are signs of debauchery cowardice, and of mental derangement ,sign of addiction to porn of violence , and using the words like “Evil “ is sign of religious fanaticism
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  9. The instant that Trump decertifies the deal struck by President Obama in 2015, the US becomes a lesser power and Iran a greater one,

    And this is bad why???????? I’m not going the route of President Trump playing 4D chess here because he’s most likely doing what ZOG wants but why should AmericaFirsters be upset that Iran gains power in their region of the world? Israel obviously wants this to be a first step towards war but I doubt Trump has the political capital to pull that off nor that he would actually go that far. If the consequence of pulling out of this deal is the isolation of the U.S. on the world stage and a growth in a Russia/Iran alliance to counterbalance Israel, then I don’t see what’s not to like.

    This might be a gross oversimplification but my preferred strategy on foreign policy is:

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    Russia/Iran alliance to counterbalance Israel, then I don’t see what’s not to like.

    This might be a gross oversimplification but my preferred strategy on foreign policy is:

    Well said! Nothing more to add....

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  10. Moi says:

    Overthrow of the Shah mentioned, 1979 revolution mentioned–but not the 1953 overthrow of a democratically elected PM. That it is Cockburn who overlooked this is interesting…

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    @Normie-American
    For the U.S. any agreement as important one touching on nuclear weapon capacity should be presented to the U.S. Senate for a formal vote as a treaty. This Iran deal never had a shred of credibility and so would predictably fail on the floor of the Senate which is why Obama never submitted it as a treaty. Within America this so-called agreement has been illegitimate since the moment it was publicly presented because Obama evaded Constitutional limitations on the president's power to entangle the country in foreign agreements.

    Then why was it not challenged in court?

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    Because its a political fight, not a legal one. So long as Obama, or any president, can be confident he wont be impeached or convicted by the Senate then he can try any damn stunt he pleases. Obama is now gone, the billions of dollars in cash have been flown to Iran, nothing can be undone by the legal system.
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  12. @Moi
    Then why was it not challenged in court?

    Because its a political fight, not a legal one. So long as Obama, or any president, can be confident he wont be impeached or convicted by the Senate then he can try any damn stunt he pleases. Obama is now gone, the billions of dollars in cash have been flown to Iran, nothing can be undone by the legal system.

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    Obama is now gone, the billions of dollars in cash have been flown to Iran, nothing can be undone by the legal system.

    Legal - what about moral?

    We gave them back their own money - how grand of us.

    And they had to give up some of their freedom to defend themselves to do so.

    Such a deal!

    Think Peace --- Art
    , @Kevin
    Because its a political fight, not a legal one. So long as Obama, or any president, can be confident he wont be impeached or convicted by the Senate then he can try any damn stunt he pleases. Obama is now gone, the billions of dollars in cash have been flown to Iran, nothing can be undone by the legal system.

    Wrong! It as a legal one. However, the US Constitution only allows for Treaties, which is initiated by the US Congress and negotiated by the US President. Once a Treaty is agreed, by the US President, he has to submit it for US Congress approval, requiring 2/3 votes in both Houses.

    The US President and US Congress changed the US Constitution and made a DEAL with Iran. The President submitted it to the Senate for a simple majority of 51, before submitting to the Lower House. It never got to the vote due to Filibuster in the Senate, and it became the LAW.

    Both the US President and US Congress made a chump of Netanyahu. Now we have all kinds of DEALS.

    Let's Make a Deal

    Every time, Netanyahu hears a Deal, he Cringes. Deal, Cringe, Deal, Cringe, Deal, Cringe.....

    Now due to decertification, Iran can happily pursue the Peaceful Nuclear Option, which it is legally entitled to. At the same time, all troops are being massed around Israel. Seems like Yassar Arafat prophecy about the SEA is coming true soon.

    Pay back time for 9/11......
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  13. Art says:

    Trump goes to congress for the Iran nuke treaty decision. Jared and Ivanka are ecstatic.

    He turns over America’s nuke strategy to AIPAC. There is ZERO chance that congress will go against the Israeli lobby.

    Let us see – he acquiesces our nuke war policy to a nation the hides its 200 nukes – clearly, he willing to risk war, for Israel’s advantage and benefit.

    Hmm – his nuke policy is that he sides and favors a country that hides its nukes over a country that has no nukes.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. But then he kept his campaign promise to the Jews and his grandchildren’s parents are happy.

    p.s. Of course he broke another campaign promise to the bulk of the American people that he was against foreign adventurism.

    p.s. Let’s see 5,000,000 Jews comes before 300,000,000 Gentiles.

    p.s. Let’s see – why is this not a topic in the MSM – oh yes – Jews again.

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  14. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    [ This Iran deal never had a shred of credibility and so would predictably fail on the floor of the Senate which is why Obama never submitted it as a treaty.]

    The one that HAS NO CREDIBILITY are Israel, US and the zionist controlled Congress. This is not the first time that US and western powers have betrayed Iran and left the agreements which left Iranian people with LOST of billions of dollars. The Obama regime and ziofascist baby killers tried very hard to destroy Iran, by severe sanctions, assassinations of scientists, concessions in the form of few BONES to many countries including China, Russia, India, and Europe not to do business with Iran to kill Iranian people, but it DIDN’T WORK. The Iran deal which was opposed by many Iranians was the last straw to bring down Iran legal nuclear program to create chaos in the country by working with the fifth column Iranian agents within the government to bring ‘regime change’, but it is very HARD and they cannot do it.

    All these violation of the international laws, partly, is due to zionists pressures who want to destroy Iran to bring ‘regime change’ like SAUDI ARABIA who is in the pocket of the zionists where funded their wars, invest in their broken economy, and fight for their interest in the region and kill Arabs and Muslims for the zionist dicks, so the Israel be able to rule the entire region according to Oded Yinon which is DEAD. Has zionist controlled Congress ratified anything for these illegal wars waged for the interest of the zionist jews to erect ‘world government”? The answer is NO. Why do the congressmen, the stooges, design and ratify every sanction against Iran to weaken and gradually to destroy Iranian nation to satisfy the zionist dicks? How many more countries do you want to bring down for your zionist plot? Remember General Clark who said : Seven countries in five years. Well you will take the last wish into your graves, instead, it is the illegitimate entity that will be destroyed at the end.
    There are so many evidence on the ground. they have to leave Palestine for the Jewish state, New York soon or later.

    IRAN CANNOT TURNED INTO A SECOND SAUDI ARABIA FOR THE INTEREST OF THE MASS MURDERERS AND INVADERS

    Top IDF zionist says US Israel can’t handle Iran alone.

    [Iran, he continued, “are a higher form of civilization. They have a nice academic infrastructure, impressive industry, good scientists and many talented young people. They are very similar to us, and because they are similar to us they are much, much more dangerous. And we can’t cope with them alone.]

    That’s why they are playing an illiterate president who knows sh*it about history and foreign policy, to direct him to wage another war for the interest of Israel.

    [ Obama is now gone, the billions of dollars in cash have been flown to Iran, nothing can be undone by the legal system.]

    Why are you LYING like the Zionists? Billions of dollars of Iranian people has been confiscated by the American regimes illegally. That was a small portion of huge capital of Iran that was given back. According to the AGREEMENTS all Iranian assets must be given back and ALL SANCTIONS should have been removed, according to the agreement, but the ziofascists who control American regime and want to erect ‘world government’ have not allowed. Most of the people who are monitoring sanctions on Iran are zionist jews.

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  15. We’ll see. What’s definitely true is that US power seems to be waning since its heyday two decades ago.

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    Quite a few people seem to be kicking the Empire in the bollocks and getting away with it, despite "make America great" etc. I am wondering whether this will push Trump into doing something desperate, or lead to his removal (IMO quite possible) in favour of someone else charged with stopping the rot. On the international stage Trump is seen as not only a clown but an ineffective and mercurial clown, of doubtful sanity.
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  16. Art says:
    @Normie-American
    Because its a political fight, not a legal one. So long as Obama, or any president, can be confident he wont be impeached or convicted by the Senate then he can try any damn stunt he pleases. Obama is now gone, the billions of dollars in cash have been flown to Iran, nothing can be undone by the legal system.

    Obama is now gone, the billions of dollars in cash have been flown to Iran, nothing can be undone by the legal system.

    Legal – what about moral?

    We gave them back their own money – how grand of us.

    And they had to give up some of their freedom to defend themselves to do so.

    Such a deal!

    Think Peace — Art

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  17. @eric d. meyer
    President Trump's decertification of the Obama Iran deal is simply another clueless no-brainer foreign policy move that betrays the Prez's incapacity to rise to the challenges of the US presidency; and it would be greatly desirable if either the American People or Trump himself would admit that incapacity and call for a re-take of the 2016 American elections. But still, the spread of Iranian hegemony in Iraq and Syria, combined with Vladimir Putin's stronger clout in Turkey, Syria, and Iran, does represent a major blow against Western (US, British, and EU) influence in the Middle East, and a significant danger to an already perilously destabilized world-system, poised on the brink of a wider (world?) war. And as the Unholy Alliance of unlikely allies that came together to fight the Islamic State collapses, its leaves Iranian forces controlling the US-backed Iraqi government and Shiite militias ruling over a Sunni population likely to rise again against them (again), and an Iranian/Russian alliance largely in control of a Syrian population who will never accept Bashar al-Assad's tyrannical rule, even with Iranian/Russian support, after the horrible war-crimes and atrocities committed by the Syrian/Russian/Iranian alliance.

    I therefore have to think that Obama's Iran deal, however helpful in the short term in avoiding a US/Iran war and creating the Unholy Alliance that defeated (temporarily?) the IS, was still a bad foreign policy move which allowed Iran and Russia to greatly increase their sphere of influence in the Middle East without producing any stability in the region. (Anybody remember the thin red line? Thought so...) President Trump's move doesn't solve anything, it just makes the bad foreign policy blunder worse. But, still, there are good reasons to oppose the rise of Iranian ascendancy in the Middle East, beyond Iran's support for Shiite terrorism (no better than Saudi-backed Sunni terrorism) and its crushing of dissent at home (anybody remember the Green Movement? Mousavi? Karoubi? Didn't think so...). The only credible agents in the Middle East situation at present are the Kurds, who deserve credit for the defeat of the IS if anybody does, and so also deserve their own State, which would be the only democratic polity in the region (pace Israel) and a shining example for others; and a Kurdish State would serve as a first step toward the partition of Iraq and Syria into Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish regions, with stable borders and internal security, which is what is already happening, and which is the only chance for a cessation of sectarian terrorism in Syria and Iraq and an end to the international war on terror, although President Trump (and Patrick Cockburn, either....) doesn't recognize it, yet.

    And after the Kurds get their State, maybe the Iranians, too, like the Kurds, can be brought into the international community as responsible agents and made to give up their support for terrorism. And after that... What about the Saudis? And Israel? Or, heck. What about the US?...

    I’m glad to see I’ve attracted extremists on all sides, who at least can agree they hate Jews and Kurds. And me, too, I guess. But with the current attacks on the Kurds from extremists on all sides, I hope the Kurds. who really did shoulder the greatest burden of fighting the Islamic State, after the Iraqi Army fled, don’t get stabbed in the back again by the West, and massacred as they were under Sada’am, and as they would be under Turkey Iran and Syria. These comments also show that the only hope for peace in the Middle East is to keep rabid extremists, like my dear friends here, separated from each other behind secure borders, so they can’t go on killing each other, as they have, in the case of the Sunnis and Shia, since the Karbala massacre of 680 CE. and as they have since the creation of the State of Israel in 1948, which, I admit, was a big mistake and caused all kinds of bloodshed. But since we can’t turn back history or go backwards, I guess we will just have to learn to live with it, won’t we? Or go on killing each other, as my dear friends here apparently advocate…

    PS Hope this gets posted somewhere, since it keeps getting deleted

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    Nobody has to do anything to the Kurds. They're stabbing themselves in the back.
    , @MEexpert
    And the Kurds also took that opportunity to occupy Kirkuk and its oil fields that belong to the people of Iraq and not to Kurds. Once they did that, they have done very little to fight ISIS. They were too busy selling oil illegally. To you anyone who criticizes Israel is an extremist. The only extremist here is the Zionists like you who want only an all powerful Israel.
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    Well, Eric, you can relax now, your most recent post has escaped the delete button:)
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  18. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Normie-American
    For the U.S. any agreement as important one touching on nuclear weapon capacity should be presented to the U.S. Senate for a formal vote as a treaty. This Iran deal never had a shred of credibility and so would predictably fail on the floor of the Senate which is why Obama never submitted it as a treaty. Within America this so-called agreement has been illegitimate since the moment it was publicly presented because Obama evaded Constitutional limitations on the president's power to entangle the country in foreign agreements.

    Putting sanction is illegal. Killing Scientist is illegal. Including it in Axis of Evil is illegal. Producing mass hateful menacing threatening policy papers and mixing them with propaganda are illegal. Forcing other countries to sign on to this efforts by hook and crook are illegals. Being around the periphery of that country is illegal.
    Creating boogey man so that defense spending stays same and lobbyists get paid and most incompetent get elected in offices are signs of debauchery cowardice, and of mental derangement ,sign of addiction to porn of violence , and using the words like “Evil “ is sign of religious fanaticism

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  19. @eric d. meyer
    I'm glad to see I've attracted extremists on all sides, who at least can agree they hate Jews and Kurds. And me, too, I guess. But with the current attacks on the Kurds from extremists on all sides, I hope the Kurds. who really did shoulder the greatest burden of fighting the Islamic State, after the Iraqi Army fled, don't get stabbed in the back again by the West, and massacred as they were under Sada'am, and as they would be under Turkey Iran and Syria. These comments also show that the only hope for peace in the Middle East is to keep rabid extremists, like my dear friends here, separated from each other behind secure borders, so they can't go on killing each other, as they have, in the case of the Sunnis and Shia, since the Karbala massacre of 680 CE. and as they have since the creation of the State of Israel in 1948, which, I admit, was a big mistake and caused all kinds of bloodshed. But since we can't turn back history or go backwards, I guess we will just have to learn to live with it, won't we? Or go on killing each other, as my dear friends here apparently advocate...

    PS Hope this gets posted somewhere, since it keeps getting deleted

    Nobody has to do anything to the Kurds. They’re stabbing themselves in the back.

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    I’m sure this has nothing to do with Israel. The jews are always the victim expelled from 100+ countries for no reason seemingly.

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  21. Wally says:
    @eric d. meyer
    President Trump's decertification of the Obama Iran deal is simply another clueless no-brainer foreign policy move that betrays the Prez's incapacity to rise to the challenges of the US presidency; and it would be greatly desirable if either the American People or Trump himself would admit that incapacity and call for a re-take of the 2016 American elections. But still, the spread of Iranian hegemony in Iraq and Syria, combined with Vladimir Putin's stronger clout in Turkey, Syria, and Iran, does represent a major blow against Western (US, British, and EU) influence in the Middle East, and a significant danger to an already perilously destabilized world-system, poised on the brink of a wider (world?) war. And as the Unholy Alliance of unlikely allies that came together to fight the Islamic State collapses, its leaves Iranian forces controlling the US-backed Iraqi government and Shiite militias ruling over a Sunni population likely to rise again against them (again), and an Iranian/Russian alliance largely in control of a Syrian population who will never accept Bashar al-Assad's tyrannical rule, even with Iranian/Russian support, after the horrible war-crimes and atrocities committed by the Syrian/Russian/Iranian alliance.

    I therefore have to think that Obama's Iran deal, however helpful in the short term in avoiding a US/Iran war and creating the Unholy Alliance that defeated (temporarily?) the IS, was still a bad foreign policy move which allowed Iran and Russia to greatly increase their sphere of influence in the Middle East without producing any stability in the region. (Anybody remember the thin red line? Thought so...) President Trump's move doesn't solve anything, it just makes the bad foreign policy blunder worse. But, still, there are good reasons to oppose the rise of Iranian ascendancy in the Middle East, beyond Iran's support for Shiite terrorism (no better than Saudi-backed Sunni terrorism) and its crushing of dissent at home (anybody remember the Green Movement? Mousavi? Karoubi? Didn't think so...). The only credible agents in the Middle East situation at present are the Kurds, who deserve credit for the defeat of the IS if anybody does, and so also deserve their own State, which would be the only democratic polity in the region (pace Israel) and a shining example for others; and a Kurdish State would serve as a first step toward the partition of Iraq and Syria into Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish regions, with stable borders and internal security, which is what is already happening, and which is the only chance for a cessation of sectarian terrorism in Syria and Iraq and an end to the international war on terror, although President Trump (and Patrick Cockburn, either....) doesn't recognize it, yet.

    And after the Kurds get their State, maybe the Iranians, too, like the Kurds, can be brought into the international community as responsible agents and made to give up their support for terrorism. And after that... What about the Saudis? And Israel? Or, heck. What about the US?...

    Though I support Iran against the fake Zionist / Israeli ‘nuclear weapons’ charges, but in all fairness, didn’t Obama usurp the power of Congress in making the current deal?

    Isn’t Trump actually right to throw it back to Congress?

    Fighting Trump on this may well be a two edged sword.

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    Echoing long discredited rubbish about Wilhelm II does nothing for one’s credibility.

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  23. MEexpert says:
    @eric d. meyer
    I'm glad to see I've attracted extremists on all sides, who at least can agree they hate Jews and Kurds. And me, too, I guess. But with the current attacks on the Kurds from extremists on all sides, I hope the Kurds. who really did shoulder the greatest burden of fighting the Islamic State, after the Iraqi Army fled, don't get stabbed in the back again by the West, and massacred as they were under Sada'am, and as they would be under Turkey Iran and Syria. These comments also show that the only hope for peace in the Middle East is to keep rabid extremists, like my dear friends here, separated from each other behind secure borders, so they can't go on killing each other, as they have, in the case of the Sunnis and Shia, since the Karbala massacre of 680 CE. and as they have since the creation of the State of Israel in 1948, which, I admit, was a big mistake and caused all kinds of bloodshed. But since we can't turn back history or go backwards, I guess we will just have to learn to live with it, won't we? Or go on killing each other, as my dear friends here apparently advocate...

    PS Hope this gets posted somewhere, since it keeps getting deleted

    And the Kurds also took that opportunity to occupy Kirkuk and its oil fields that belong to the people of Iraq and not to Kurds. Once they did that, they have done very little to fight ISIS. They were too busy selling oil illegally. To you anyone who criticizes Israel is an extremist. The only extremist here is the Zionists like you who want only an all powerful Israel.

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  24. @reiner Tor
    We'll see. What's definitely true is that US power seems to be waning since its heyday two decades ago.

    Quite a few people seem to be kicking the Empire in the bollocks and getting away with it, despite “make America great” etc. I am wondering whether this will push Trump into doing something desperate, or lead to his removal (IMO quite possible) in favour of someone else charged with stopping the rot. On the international stage Trump is seen as not only a clown but an ineffective and mercurial clown, of doubtful sanity.

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  25. Kevin says:
    @Normie-American
    Because its a political fight, not a legal one. So long as Obama, or any president, can be confident he wont be impeached or convicted by the Senate then he can try any damn stunt he pleases. Obama is now gone, the billions of dollars in cash have been flown to Iran, nothing can be undone by the legal system.

    Because its a political fight, not a legal one. So long as Obama, or any president, can be confident he wont be impeached or convicted by the Senate then he can try any damn stunt he pleases. Obama is now gone, the billions of dollars in cash have been flown to Iran, nothing can be undone by the legal system.

    Wrong! It as a legal one. However, the US Constitution only allows for Treaties, which is initiated by the US Congress and negotiated by the US President. Once a Treaty is agreed, by the US President, he has to submit it for US Congress approval, requiring 2/3 votes in both Houses.

    The US President and US Congress changed the US Constitution and made a DEAL with Iran. The President submitted it to the Senate for a simple majority of 51, before submitting to the Lower House. It never got to the vote due to Filibuster in the Senate, and it became the LAW.

    Both the US President and US Congress made a chump of Netanyahu. Now we have all kinds of DEALS.

    Let’s Make a Deal

    Every time, Netanyahu hears a Deal, he Cringes. Deal, Cringe, Deal, Cringe, Deal, Cringe…..

    Now due to decertification, Iran can happily pursue the Peaceful Nuclear Option, which it is legally entitled to. At the same time, all troops are being massed around Israel. Seems like Yassar Arafat prophecy about the SEA is coming true soon.

    Pay back time for 9/11……

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  26. Kevin says:
    @Clay Bishop

    The instant that Trump decertifies the deal struck by President Obama in 2015, the US becomes a lesser power and Iran a greater one,
     
    And this is bad why???????? I'm not going the route of President Trump playing 4D chess here because he's most likely doing what ZOG wants but why should AmericaFirsters be upset that Iran gains power in their region of the world? Israel obviously wants this to be a first step towards war but I doubt Trump has the political capital to pull that off nor that he would actually go that far. If the consequence of pulling out of this deal is the isolation of the U.S. on the world stage and a growth in a Russia/Iran alliance to counterbalance Israel, then I don't see what's not to like.

    This might be a gross oversimplification but my preferred strategy on foreign policy is:

    http://cwporter.com/SITE%20PICS/always%20do%20opposite%20of%20what%20Jews%20say.jpg

    Russia/Iran alliance to counterbalance Israel, then I don’t see what’s not to like.

    This might be a gross oversimplification but my preferred strategy on foreign policy is:

    Well said! Nothing more to add….

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  27. pB says:
    @Kevin
    Here is a chilling thought. Instead of Russia-Gate we might had Israel-Gate. Israel interfering in the USA Presidential Election for Trump......

    a sign of the willful ignorance of the american public, anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together would have noticed AIPACs influence on our elections and elected officials, but try giving someone the full story and their eyes glaze over and the word antisemite begins floating around their spacious skulls.

    but tell them simply “russia hacked the elections” and they will believe you 100%

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  28. @eric d. meyer
    I'm glad to see I've attracted extremists on all sides, who at least can agree they hate Jews and Kurds. And me, too, I guess. But with the current attacks on the Kurds from extremists on all sides, I hope the Kurds. who really did shoulder the greatest burden of fighting the Islamic State, after the Iraqi Army fled, don't get stabbed in the back again by the West, and massacred as they were under Sada'am, and as they would be under Turkey Iran and Syria. These comments also show that the only hope for peace in the Middle East is to keep rabid extremists, like my dear friends here, separated from each other behind secure borders, so they can't go on killing each other, as they have, in the case of the Sunnis and Shia, since the Karbala massacre of 680 CE. and as they have since the creation of the State of Israel in 1948, which, I admit, was a big mistake and caused all kinds of bloodshed. But since we can't turn back history or go backwards, I guess we will just have to learn to live with it, won't we? Or go on killing each other, as my dear friends here apparently advocate...

    PS Hope this gets posted somewhere, since it keeps getting deleted

    Well, Eric, you can relax now, your most recent post has escaped the delete button:)

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