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Donald Trump Is Much Derided – But He Is Right About the Middle East
The candidate is demonised as an exotic celebrity but he knows more about Iraq and Syria than his critics
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In 1989 I met Donald Trump several times in Palm Beach in Florida where he was trying to stop jets from a newly expanded Palm Beach International Airport from roaring over his enormous mansion. This was Mar-a-Lago, a magnificent house with 58 bedrooms and 33 bathrooms which Trump had bought four years earlier without realising it was under the flight path.

I learned about Trump’s problem because I knew a Canadian paper and pulp magnate who had bought a house near Mar-a-Lago and was also suffering from the airport noise. He was bitter that the people who had arranged for him to visit his new home prior to purchase had carefully chosen a brief moment when there were no planes passing overhead. The two multi-millionaires had set up an organisation that aimed to unite the less well-off people living in West Palm Beach and the plutocrats of Palm Beach, who were not natural allies, in order to get something done about the planes. There was plenty to complain of because, after an airport expansion the year before, there were 200 planes taking off every day.

I had mentioned what was happening in Palm Beach to a friend on a magazine in New York who promptly asked me to write a piece about it. I suspect that the idea was that I would produce a knock-about account of the farcical failure of Trump’s self-serving efforts to unite mansion owners, who lived there irregularly, and the less well-heeled but permanent population. In the event, the article was never published, possibly because I wrote that Trump’s campaign to reduce the noise level, involving a curfew on night-time flying, a ban on the noisier aircraft and the enforcement of existing airport noise restrictions, seemed perfectly sensible.

In the long term, the agitation combined with the threat of legal action by Trump and my Canadian friend must have worked, since I noticed a year later that Palm Beach airport had just become the first airport in the American South to limit and possibly ban the noisiest planes. But all was evidently not entirely well, because in January this year, a quarter of a century after I had been in Palm Beach, Trump was suing Palm Beach County for $100m (£65m) alleging that officials had pressured the Federal Aviation Authority into a “deliberate and malicious” act by routing planes from the airport over Mar-a-Lago.

I remembered Trump and his anti-noise campaign when watching him in recent weeks being repeatedly interviewed as presidential candidate about the Middle East. The interviewers for television and newspapers were generally hostile, or at least patronising and incredulous, when Trump spoke positively about Russian intervention in Syria, the need to combat Isis and the disastrous state of Iraq and Libya. Most of what he was saying was common sense, but it is a measure of the degree to which propaganda slogans have replaced realistic discussion of these problems that his remarks were immediately dismissed or derided by politicians and the media.

Asked by an NBC news presenter if Iraq and Libya had been better off when Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi were in power, a question most politicians would have dodged, Trump said: “Iraq is a disaster … Libya is not even a country. You can make the case, if you look at Libya, look at what we did there – it’s a mess. If you look at Saddam Hussein with Iraq, look what we did there – it’s a mess.”

This should not be controversial stuff. Many Iraqis and Libyans are glad to have got rid of the old dictators, but they have no doubt about the calamities that have befallen their countries since the change of regime. But how often in the British general election was David Cameron challenged for his part in reducing Libya to primal anarchy?

peaking about the White House’s policy of supporting the Syrian armed opposition, Trump truthfully said the administration “doesn’t know who they are. They could be Isis. Assad is bad. Maybe these other people are worse.” He said he was bothered by “the concept of backing people they have absolutely no idea who they are”. Again, US officials admit that they have armed opposition fighters who, on entering Syria promptly handed their weapons over to Jabhat al-Nusra, the local representatives of al-Qaeda. Trump added: “I was talking to a general two days ago. He said: ‘We have no idea who these people are.’”

What is striking about these interviews is the self-confidence with which the American and British interviewers regurgitated gobbets of government propaganda and expressed surprise when Trump disagreed with them. The journalists questioning Trump appear to have accepted, without much thought and against all the evidence, the rebranding of al-Nusra and Ahrar al-Sham, which is extremist Islamist and close to the Muslim Brotherhood, as anti-Assad “moderates” from the moment they were attacked by Russian aircraft and missiles.

Trump discounts the widespread belief that Putin wants to destroy these mythical moderates and for some unexplained reason will not attack Isis. He has objected strongly to long discredited nostrums such as “nation-building”, suggesting in another interview that it is wrong “to tell people who have [had] dictatorships or worse for centuries how to run their own countries”.

It is worth viewing or reading these interviews with Trump and taking them seriously, because in Britain and much of the United States, Trump is demonised as an exotic celebrity with no understanding of what is happening in the world. Also noticeable is the depressing degree to which the interviewers parrot an acritical establishment line on developments in Iraq, Libya and Syria. This media blindness compounds government misjudgements and prevents lessons being learned from previous disasters.

ORDER IT NOW

It is not that Trump shows any great clairvoyance, but his words resonate because there is such a vacuum of clear thinking in Washington and Western Europe about the wars that are sweeping the Middle East and North Africa. Most politicians are afraid of being pilloried as unpatriotic if they stray far from the official line. In Britain, debate on possible use of British aircraft in bombing Isis in Syria ignores the real political and military landscape in which there is a shortage of warplanes to drop bombs and allies on the ground able to identify targets.

It should by now be clear that defeating Isis and bringing an end to the Syrian and Iraqi civil wars can only be brought about by agreement between the five main outside powers involved in the war: the US, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Turkey. They alone have influence over allies and proxies inside Syria and Iraq to force them to negotiate seriously. This is very unlikely to happen while all sides inside and outside Syria believe that war still gives them the best chance to survive and to win. It is a measure of the failure of Western leaders to understand the crisis in the Middle East that, in speaking of it, none of them show the same clarity of mind as Donald Trump.

(Republished from The Independent by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    It’s the Jews.

    All this ‘Assad is bad’ stuff is pretty dumb. Assad may be bad, but is he worse than the thug Netanyahu, scummy Saudi Royal family, traitor Merkel(who is destroying her own country and should be tried), and the many rotten allies of the US?

    Assad may be no better but he’s no worse.

    It’s not about who is good or who is bad. It’s about ‘who is useful to Jews at any given moment’.

    Jews hate Iran and hate Syria for being an ally.
    Jews hate Russia cuz Russians don’t kiss Jewish ass like Americans and EU-peons do.

    All these journalists are shills for the media dominated by Jewish financiers and publishers. And ideologically, they’ve drunk the Kool Aid of globalism as dictated by the US. Serving Jews, promoting homo agenda, and bending over to Negroes constitute the core ideology of the West.

    Some accuse Western ideology of being colorblind and universalist. But in fact, it is color-coded to favor the Jew, the Negro, and the homo.

    After all, how come the Western ideologues are silent about Saudi human rights?
    And how come the very people who bitch about how evil the ‘racist’ Europeans are but have nothing to do say about Israel’s continued occupation of Golan Heights?

    Western ideology isn’t really universalist. It is Jewish-homo-Negro-ist. It is
    Jomogro-ist.

  2. Bliss says:

    Trump is really exposing the Orwellian lies of the Republican Establishment by boldly speaking the obvious truths. He did it again yesterday:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-blames-george-w-bush-for-911-a6697496.html

    “When you talk about George Bush — I mean, say what you want, the World Trade Center came down during his time……He was president, okay?……The World Trade Center came down during his reign.”

    Just last week, Mr Trump took a shot at former President Bush on CNN by calling the war in Iraq a “terrible mistake.”

    • Replies: @5371
  3. Bliss says:

    It is a measure of the failure of Western leaders to understand the crisis in the Middle East that, in speaking of it, none of them show the same clarity of mind as Donald Trump.

    Now that Kissinger has judged that defeating ISIS is more important than defeating Assad maybe at least some of these stupid puppets: politicians, pundits, preachers, media hacks etc, will start singing a different tune:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-path-out-of-the-middle-east-collapse-1445037513

    The destruction of ISIS is more urgent than the overthrow of Bashar Assad

    • Replies: @gruff
    , @guest
  4. gruff says:
    @Bliss

    It seems obvious to me that the US (read: Israeli) strategy in the Middle East is precisely to destabilize on a large scale. It’s working as intended.

    OT: Bliss, are you the Bliss from the old Spengler forums?

  5. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @Priss Factor

    Here we go again… Why must you continue to ruin good articles with your nonsense?

    I wonder did Hasbara assign you SPECIFICALLY to Unz or did you CHOOSE to make this site your own special pet project in the quest of trying to turn people off to the truth by your mixing of truths that SHOULD be attributed to political Zionism in with your bullshit anti-semitism and equally bullshit racism. Your misdirection shows that your aim is to try to paint certain articles and this site as anti-semitic.

    So, DID you get a choice of which site that you would be a Hasbara Troll at or not?

    • Agree: Stephen R. Diamond
  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    you’re an idiot.

  7. 5371 says:
    @Bliss

    [He was president, okay?]

    This is apparently a deeply controversial question among Republicans, like the question of whether or not the grotesque Fiorina was a success at HP.

  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    How bizarre is that “The Priss Factory” doesn’t engage in his typical Trump bashing on a thread specifically about Trump? I can’t figure out if he is a freelancing Hasbara or just a typical conspiracy nut.

    • Replies: @Junior
  9. Trump is terrible; the low estate of our democracy is such that we could do worse and likely will.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  10. While Trump says the right things in regards to immigration, exporting jobs and Sunni jihadis, will he actually stick to his view if he were to become president. I don’t actually believe he will, he is too much of a 1% and supporter of Israeli policies to do what he claims he will do.

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @dahoit
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
  11. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @Anonymous

    Make no mistake about it, this moron Priss Factory is a fraud trying to poison the well of free thought.

    I’m relatively new to this site but his comments that I’ve read have struck me as contradictory because of his condemning of Zionism as being supremacist one moment and then turning around and spouting racist supremacist bullshit the next. Of COURSE there is real anti-semitism out there but you can tell that this fraud Priss is not dumb which makes his contradictions all the more bizarre. His post above in which he goes straight into his anti-semitic bullshit and doesn’t say a WORD about the topic of the article, Trump, was the final nail in the coffin for me to see that he is a Hasbara Troll.

    The whole raison d’etre of Zionism is as a counter balance to anti-semitism and so he seeks to advance Zionism’s cause by spewing anti-semitism. He’s also trying to smear any voice or site that goes against it by connecting it to anti-semitism. His aim is that people will be turned off to anything or anybody that criticizes Israel.

    I tried looking up any articles that discussed this method of false-flag attack by Hasbara trolls to see how common a practice it was. I found a couple that DO discuss it along with an article by Mr. Cockburn that discusses the more well known tactics of Hasbara which I think may be the reason for Priss’s targeting of Mr. Cockburn. Mr. Cockburn’s Hasbara article along with THIS one about Trump being right to go against the Neo-Con agenda made Priss go into full anti-semite spewing overdrive. And I also found one VERY interesting article that is about some guy who was a Jewish Harvard graduate and is now a graduate student at a midwestern campus that got caught doing this EXACT thing. And it would NOT surprise me at ALL if that guy from the article which I’ve posted below who called himself hambaconeggs turned out to be this same idiot Priss Factory.

    http://www.commondreams.org/hambaconeggs

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/hasbara-spewing-semitism

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israel-gaza-conflict-the-secret-report-that-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html

    • Replies: @Really-
    , @dahoit
  12. I’m confused about these “moderates”, too. If I wanted to pay some people to kill my enemies, being moderate isn’t really a qualification I’d look for. Moderate has to be up there with squeamish and undisciplined when it comes to undesirable qualities. Though admittedly it’s not as bad as blind or quadruplegic.

  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Macadam

    Trump is terrible; the low estate of our democracy is such that we could do worse and likely will.

    I don’t know, a candidate who says he’ll work with leaders of nuclear superpowers rather than confront them militarily, put an end to the rapid third-worldization of the country, and start with trade policies advantageous to the U.S. and the American worker rather than China (which now has the most billionaires in the world) doesn’t sound terrible to me.

    • Replies: @Wally
  14. Wally says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Bingo.

    Trump out shines them all. Simply compare what the candidates say not what the ‘media’ says about them.

  15. guest says:
    @Bliss

    I don’t see why the tune should change. We’re already pretending to be at war with ISIS as we continue to pretend not to be at war with Syria.

  16. Rehmat says: • Website

    I bet Donald Trump knows more about the Middle East than ADL or AIPAC wants American to know.

    Recently, Trump told a pro-Israel Hollywood conservative group why he was against US invading Iraq. He said that Saddam Hussein was a defense shield against Israel’s No.1 enemy, and by removing Saddam Hussein, there is no one to defend Israel from Iran.

    http://rehmat1.com/2015/09/02/911-explained-by-donald-trump/

  17. Sherman says:
    @Priss Factor

    Do you have anything reasonably intelligent to say – or at least anything related to the topic of the article?

    OK, I get it. The reason you’re unemployed and can’t get laid is because of the Jews. But what does this have to do with this article?

  18. @Priss Factor

    Fantastic comment.The truth hurts,don’t it,Mr. Jones.

  19. @Sherman

    The answer to everything is “you can’t get laid! YUCK YUCK YUCK!”

  20. aandrews says:

    Content problem in body of article:

    “…David Cameron challenged for his part in reducing Libya to primal anarchy?

    peaking about the White House’s policy of supporting the Syrian armed opposition,….”

  21. Bill says:
    @Priss Factor

    I was really with you until Jr called you a racist. Now, I’m convinced you are wrong.

  22. Really- says:
    @Junior

    OK…let me see here…

    “The whole raison d’etre of Zionism is as a counter balance to anti-semitism and so he seeks to advance Zionism’s cause by spewing anti-semitism. ”

    I don’t quote you at length but it does seem you claim to oppose anti-Semitism (by which I presume you mean Judenhass, or do we now get into how Arabs are Semites?).

    You then state that Zionism is a reaction to anti-Semitism. Simplistic, or inapt maybe, maybe but OK.

    You then appear to oppose Zionism and Zionists more strongly than anything any Arab or Muslim individual or group has ever done at any time.

    …PROFIT?!?

    • Replies: @Junior
  23. Svigor says:

    Here we go again… Why must you continue to ruin good articles with your nonsense?

    I wonder did Hasbara assign you SPECIFICALLY to Unz or did you CHOOSE to make this site your own special pet project in the quest of trying to turn people off to the truth by your mixing of truths that SHOULD be attributed to political Zionism in with your bullshit anti-semitism and equally bullshit racism. Your misdirection shows that your aim is to try to paint certain articles and this site as anti-semitic.

    So, DID you get a choice of which site that you would be a Hasbara Troll at or not?

    Drag Israel all you want, but don’t you dare slap liberalism around Priss.

    How bizarre is that “The Priss Factory” doesn’t engage in his typical Trump bashing on a thread specifically about Trump? I can’t figure out if he is a freelancing Hasbara or just a typical conspiracy nut.

    Priss has criticized Trump for not going far enough.

    While Trump says the right things in regards to immigration, exporting jobs and Sunni jihadis, will he actually stick to his view if he were to become president. I don’t actually believe he will, he is too much of a 1% and supporter of Israeli policies to do what he claims he will do.

    So, let’s vote for the people who promise us nothing, and are guaranteed to stab us in the back?

    I’m relatively new to this site but his comments that I’ve read have struck me as contradictory because of his condemning of Zionism as being supremacist one moment and then turning around and spouting racist supremacist bullshit the next.

    You’re relatively new to real discourse, I imagine. There’s nothing wrong with changing rhetorical hats, I do it all the time to make a point. If you bother to ASK ME about it, I’ll explain it, but if you go right into the “you’re a fraud” thing I’ll just ignore you, since you will have expressed no interest in knowing, and only in proclaiming.

    And I got news for you liberal kids, criticism of Israel isn’t your personal property. Some of us aren’t interested in wringing our hands over whether we’ve crossed the line between criticizing Zionist colonizers and criticizing Jews.

    was the final nail in the coffin for me to see that he is a Hasbara Troll.

    You haven’t understood him because you don’t want to.

    Hasbara trolls don’t try to make “ANTI-SEMITES!!!” look smart.

    • Replies: @Junior
    , @Wizard of Oz
  24. Svigor says:

    Oh, and understand that some people’s criticism of Israel is actually motivated by, and secondary to, their ethnocentrism. And not some elaborate plot to make you feel icky for criticizing Israel.

  25. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @Really-

    Just because Zionism uses Anti-semitism as an excuse for being and even foments it, doesn’t make it right. Both Zionism AND Anti-semitism need to be stopped. So where exactly is the flaw in logic? You lost me.

  26. dahoit says:
    @Priss Factor

    The Zionist Jews don’t like black people.Give the stupid racism(Zionism)a rest.
    Jews don’t like non Jews because we non Jews don’t particularly care for their values that dispute their religion.Their hypocrisy is writ large,although they don’t have a lock on it, hypocrisy.

    • Replies: @Junior
  27. dahoit says:
    @greysquirrell

    Pessimistic much?Just Trump saying these truths for public consumption will just intensify their active campaign to discredit him.
    The truth will sink Zionism.

    • Replies: @greysquirrell
  28. dahoit says:
    @Junior

    How about the story of Joshua Goldberg of Jupiter Fla. who posed as a jihadist online and got those two idiots get killed in Garland Tx. Geller meeting,plus he also helped set up a failed plot to blow up some festival in the US.I saw the story a couple of months ago in the Indy,GB,and nowhere else. These Zionists will do anything.

  29. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @Svigor

    Hasbara trolls don’t try to make “ANTI-SEMITES!!!” look smart.

    Did you even read the article that I posted with the comment Svigor? Get back to me after you do.

    http://www.commondreams.org/hambaconeggs

  30. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @dahoit

    You’re just as confusing as Priss is with his hate. You need to give your stupid anti-semitism a rest also.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  31. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:

    Everyone please note that these idiots are trying to flood Mr. Cockburn’s comment section with their stupidity and remember that this is one of their tactics for shifting the narrative away from the fact that Trump is absolutely right about the Middle East.

    My apologies to Mr. Cockburn for letting them bait me and helping them accomplish their goal.

    Bottom line, Trump and Mr. Cockburn are ABSOLUTELY correct.

  32. OutWest says: • Website

    Wow! All this analysis and not a negative comment about Trump.

  33. @dahoit

    Yes I am pessimistic , when it comes to our presidential race.

    • Replies: @dahoit
  34. @Priss Factor

    All this ‘Assad is bad’ stuff is pretty dumb. Assad may be bad, but is he worse than the thug Netanyahu, scummy Saudi Royal family, traitor Merkel(who is destroying her own country and should be tried), and the many rotten allies of the US?

    I’ll clear it up for you Priss–Yes, No, No.

    In rank order of villainy:
    Merkel — pushing forward the destruction of the European race and civilization, in its homeland; and thuggishly stifling criticism of the same; truly world historically evil.

    Saudi Royal family — two bit desert thugs, looting their nation for their private luxuries, but more importantly funneling petrodollars to fund the Wahhabization of all of Islam (bad enough in itself); The Wahhabization elevates them to the level of world historical evil.

    Assad — generic two bit thug dictator; evil but routine

    Netanyahu — reasonably competent democratically elected leader who actually seems concerned with taking care of his nation! he’s headed off the Africanization threat. Yeah, he’s stirring up trouble on Iran, but let’s face it, it’s not like he can go have a sit down with the Iranians and make nice. It’s Iran who’s talked about wiping Israel off the map, and who refuse–along with many Arab and muslim nations–to have ordinary diplomatic relations with Israel. Of course, great power leaders need to dismiss Netanyahu’s war drum and negotiate with Iran to preserve the peace–which is what they are doing. But Netanyahu’s doing his job of protecting Israelis.

    I’m not Jewish and not interested in Israel, beyond my general human goodwill that all peoples–Jews, Germans, Kurds, Japanese, French … –should have their own nations. But generally i’d have to say Netanyahu is doing right by his people and i respect that. I’d love to have an American leader show even a glimmer of similar interest in the welfare of Americans rather than foreigners, finance, Israel, blacks, “minorities”, women’s feelings and all the rest of the crap they bow and scrape before.

    • Replies: @dahoit
  35. @Junior

    Perhaps you can turn your mind to who The Priss Factory really is.

    Is it the female Andrea Ostrov Latania – or is AOL a clue I should have picked up earlier?

    • Replies: @Junior
    , @Junior
  36. @greysquirrell

    “While Trump says the right things in regards to immigration, exporting jobs and Sunni jihadis, will he actually stick to his view if he were to become president. I don’t actually believe he will, he is too much of a 1% and supporter of Israeli policies to do what he claims he will do.”

    Based on the quality of all the plausible alternatives, I’d say that’s a risk very well worth taking.

  37. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Is it the female Andrea Ostrov Latania – or is AOL a clue I should have picked up earlier?

    Just an observation that I made and I’m COMPLETELY just brainstorming here and throwing out ideas but the below excerpt from the article in Common Dreams had this passage about the President of CAMERA who’s name is Andrea Levin and is obsessed with movies and reviewing them like Priss Factory and this Andrea Ostrov Latania that you mention above. I wonder if Andrea Levin from CAMERA’s middle name starts with an O?

    Within the U.S., pro-Israel internet promotion isn’t a secret. Andrea Levin, executive director of Boston-based CAMERA, the watchdog over the American news media, told Common Dreams that her group encouraged people to post “talk-backs” in internet forums, but to be always “factual and courteous.”

    So where did Beck’s campaign fit into this picture? It was far from the factual and courteous discourse that CAMERA claims to promote. It was a brutal, destructive lie. Levin felt the kind of thing Beck did was rare–observing, however, that the internet “can really leverage . . . craziness in a big way.”

  38. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Hell, for all I know Wiz, YOU could be the Priss behind the curtain that no one is paying attention to 🙂

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  39. @Junior

    No Ron’s software would find me out and I would be given a stern warnimg that I could use the Anonymous tag – or maybe any of the variations which appear on the UR – if I wanted to distance myself from the risible Wiz without creating inadmissible sock puppets. Mind you software can confuse me. I don’t seem to be able to use an emoticon, at least on one of the mobile browsers I use most, without it finishing the comment with nothing but blank space following the words immediately preceding the attempt to use it. And there are commenter names which appear as if I have chosen them for my skip list but are not on it….

    • Replies: @Junior
  40. JohnDough says:
    @Priss Factor

    You are correct. It’s always a lot of talk but the elephant in the room is the Jews! Interesting how all the countries the US attacks were in conflicts with Israel. The US even gives the Jewish State the weapons to kill unarmed Palestinians.

  41. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Me thinks thou doth protest too much. Your response is EXACTLY what Priss would say! I knew it! It all makes sense now! You have been exposed Wiz… Just kidding, I was just trying to make a “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain” joke in my earlier post because I thought it’d be funny 🙂

    In any event, I’m POSITIVE that Priss IS Andrea Ostrov Latania like you say and that whomever the idiot is, they work for Hasbara’s American branch CAMERA with Andrea Levin and are targeting Mr. Cockburn because of his articles like the one in the Independent that exposed Hasbara tactics.

    Now this JonnyKat that posted his ignorance after you is probably just a misled fool that doesn’t know the difference between Zionism and a religion and doesn’t even realize that he’s being hoodwinked by a fraud like Priss. Idiocy abounds.

  42. Svigor says:

    It’s Iran who’s talked about wiping Israel off the map, and who refuse–along with many Arab and muslim nations–to have ordinary diplomatic relations with Israel.

    Sort of like how diaspora Jewry worked to get Apartheid South Africa wiped off the map, and succeeded. But when anyone wants to do it to Apartheid Israel, they must be nuked ASAP.

  43. Trump said: “Iraq is a disaster … Libya is not even a country. You can make the case, if you look at Libya, look at what we did there – it’s a mess. If you look at Saddam Hussein with Iraq, look what we did there – it’s a mess.”

    While I agree that Trump is vocal about (most) of his opinions, I would not categorize statements such as this as logical or conclude that he knows more about the Middle East. Hindsight is always 20/20 Patrick, and in comparison to his critics and fellow contenders, Trump is leveraging on his position because he feels no pressure to be accountable or responsible. At the end of the day, Trump is a loud mouthed celebrity who can afford to spew horse shit in public, while authentic and serious politicians have to consider their role for they will be held accountable. Additionally, I disagree with your observation that our Western leaders lack clarity of mind, simply because I believe that the leaders continue to remain silent and maneuver conservative diplomacy due to the messiness of the issue and primarily carry the guilt of causing the entire mess.

  44. @Sherman

    Yep, pretty much.

    Fun exercise: Replace every mention of Jew with “Lizard People” in his post, and you’ve got David Icke.

  45. dahoit says:
    @greysquirrell

    Me too;They all spout about enemies.What, all our self made victims?The Russkies?The Chicoms!Isolationist NK weird haircut guys too! Iran!
    It all springs from the head of Zion,as they(MSM) are supposed to be watchdogs of democracy,not foreign racist state lovers.
    Divide and rule.

  46. dahoit says:
    @AnotherDad

    Anyone who would posit that nutty yahoo was a sane productive leader who protects and benefits his people is divorced from realty.
    Israel is coming apart at the seams of ideology and racism,or haven’t you noticed?

  47. tbraton says:

    I notice that the The American Conservative has a piece up dated November 4, 2015 “from the staff” titled “Wanted: A Postwar Policy” http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/wanted-a-postwar-policy/

    The piece starts off bemoaning the likelihood that the Democrats appear on their way to nominating “a woman who as a senator voted for the Iraq War and as secretary of state was responsible in large measure for the disastrous U.S. involvement in Libya.” The piece then goes on to state that “The Republican 2016 aspirants, meanwhile, have figured out that claiming the Iraq War was a success won’t help them win even relatively hawkish GOP primary voters—yet most talk as if new confrontations with Iran, one side or another of the Syrian civil war, Russia, or China present no hazards worth worrying about. They are as gung-ho for the next war as any neoconservative was for the Iraq invasion.” While the article draws inspiration for its hopes that Democratic Party is changing from two Democrats who have dropped out of the Democratic race already, Jim Webb and Lincoln Chaffee, who were long-shot bets at best, it fails to mention the man who has been leading the Republican race since the early summer and who has been taking positions in the foreign policy area that TAC would appear to support, Donald Trump, who has condemned the Iraq War, spoken out against our involvement in Syria, spoken out against the 25,000 U.S. troops on the Korean DMZ, opposed the war with Libya, and has stated that he will abide by the treaty with Iran if elected, practically the only candidate of the Republican Party to state that. I find the position taken by TAC to be a little on the bizarre side, but I’m guessing they are laying the groundwork for endorsing (reluctantly, of course) Hillary Clinton, if it comes down to a race between her and Trump, just as they convinced themselves to endorse Obama twice. As I recall, the decision to start the Libyan war, which they like to tarnish Clinton with, was actually made by President Obama, who also decided to put troops back in Iraq, to keep some troops in Afghanistan despite the long-promised pullout by the end of 2014, to insert troops in Syria against which he was already waging an illegal air war without authorization from Congress or the U.N. and to encourage the Ukraineans to overthrow their legitimate government and wage civil war against their Russian-speaking citizens. I am highly amused that TAC would consider Lincoln Chaffee as an acceptable nominee but not Donald Trump. Gee, I wonder why I let my subscription lapse.

  48. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It is stupid to believe in the American presidential candidates.
    Woodrow Wilson campaigned saying it would remain neutral and put the US in World War II.
    Franklin Delano Roosevelt campaigned saying he did not put the Americans in the War II and it was exactly what he did.
    Barack Obama campaigned speaking in ensuring Peace and started dozens of dirty wars feeding terrorists with money and weapons.
    Donald Trump says he believes in the correctness of Russia’s actions, but he certainly will invade Iran to provoke a World War III as desired by wealthy and imperialist Americans.

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