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“In the little moment that remains to us between crisis and catastrophe, we may as well drink a glass of champagne,” said Paul Claudel, the French poet, dramatist and ambassador to the United States in the wake of some calamitous episode in the 1930s. As the British vote to leave the European Union, it feels as if we have reached just such “a little moment”, occurring as it does in a situation that was already dire and likely to get a great deal worse.

A referendum is by its nature divisive and is justified by explaining that it will produce a democratic decision that everybody can accept. But it is in the very nature of a referendum campaign that issues are over-simplified and presented as black-and-white questions by opponents who demonise each other. The vote becomes the vehicle for demagoguery and agendas that have little to do with Britain’s relationship to Europe.

This referendum has not only widened existing political and social divisions within British society, but has ensured that these differences become more divisive and poisonous. This is always the way with referenda on important issues: they make irreversible decisions, but they do so at a high political cost by excluding compromise between contending parties with deeply held opinions that they are not going to abandon on the day after the poll, regardless of who wins or loses.

The first referendum I ever witnessed first-hand was in Belfast in 1973 when there was a vote on whether or not Northern Ireland should remain part of the UK. Predictably, this long-forgotten poll did nothing except exacerbate hatred and convince the losing side that they had no alternative except violence. More than 30 years later in 2005, I was in Baghdad to cover the referendum on the new Iraqi constitution, which, insofar as it had any effect at all, turned out to be one more stepping stone towards civil war.

Analogies with Northern Ireland and Iraq may appear out of place because both places have a tradition of political violence that Britain does not. But the killing of Jo Cox MP suggests the possibility of how swiftly that can change, though at first such incidents will be dismissed as atypical and disconnected from political turmoil. Demagogues and their softly spoken fellow travellers invariably throw up their hands in angry denial that their over-heated rhetoric could have had violent consequences. Ian Paisley repeatedly raised the political temperature in Northern Ireland to boiling point over 40 years while furiously disclaiming any responsibility for the dead bodies in the streets.

ORDER IT NOW

The English tend to underrate the political fragility of their own country because it has been generally stable since the end of the 17th century. It was striking last year how the Conservatives revelled in the wipeout of Labour in Scotland by the SNP without expressing much concern about the unity of the UK as a whole. The Remain camp thought they could win the vote by relentlessly emphasising the economic risks of leaving the EU, though the real danger is political rather than economic as a populist right is empowered with little idea of what it should do with that power.

The triumphant mood among those wishing Britain to leave the EU is ominously similar to that of protesters in Arab capitals at the height of the Arab Spring in 2011. Again, the analogy may seem exaggerated because an inbred and often unconscious British sense of superiority bridles at comparisons with other nations. But one of the failings of those protesters in Cairo and Damascus was that they attributed far too many of their country’s troubles to the regime they were trying to overthrow. Demonisation of their opponents made sense in propaganda terms and conveniently freed them from drawing up realistic plans of their own. Similarly, those determined that Britain should exit the EU have likewise relied on excoriating Brussels as the source of all ills without explaining what they would do to end them.

There are other parallels between the “brave new world” feeling of those Arab Spring protesters five years ago and the Leave campaigners. Almost by accident, Leave has initiated a revolutionary change, but the weakness of revolutions is that they briefly bring together those with little in common except an antipathy to the status quo. It is not an alliance that normally lasts very long anywhere and in Britain it is difficult to see what right-wing Conservative MPs committed to the free market have in common with working class voters from the north of England suffering from cuts in social services.

Debate during the referendum focused on bread-and-butter economic issues and migration without much discussion of the political purpose of the EU itself. Since the beginning, the aim was always to find a way to include Germany as the most powerful and wealthiest state in Western Europe within an institution in which it and lesser European powers could coexist peacefully to the benefit of all. This project has largely worked – though long before the Brexit vote, the EU was clearly dysfunctional in coping with a myriad of political and economic problems. This failure had already produced a series of election victories for illiberal populist nationalist parties in Hungary, Poland and Austria. In the rest of Europe, the centre-left and centre-right parties have pursued much the same economic policies since the 1990s, providing no alternative for those opposed to the status quo aside from the extremes, which usually meant the far right.

The potential for Brexit to produce toxic results for everybody is greater than it looks, because it is one more source of instability in a region already under great pressures. This is at its worst in the Middle East and North Africa, where there are now at least eight wars and three serious insurgencies raging. Five years ago, European leaders such as David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy had a detached attitude to the collapse of states such as Syria and Libya into a state of permanent warfare. Only with the rise of Isis in 2014, followed by the migration crisis and terrorist attacks in 2015, did European leaders begin to take on board that the conflicts in the Middle East had the capacity to set the political agenda in Europe.

Dramatic developments such as the Brexit vote often elicit an exaggerated initial response, but the status quo turns out comfortingly to have more staying power than first imagined. In the present case, however, an apocalyptic tone is justified, because the post-Second World War political settlement was already at risk, and Europe was ill-prepared to withstand a further blow such as a British departure.

(Republished from The Independent by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. 22pp22 says:

    Dire article.

    The only factor worrying most POMS was the idiotic decision by mad pig Merkel to invite in the entire Third World. That is what is destabilising Europe. Brexit is a symptom.

    People are rude about Poles beaecause they are white. It is Somalis and Roma who are the real problem communities.

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    • Replies: @Quebeker
    Ok, let me take off my tinfoil hat for a moment. Yes, maybe all this is in great part due to Merkel opening the flood gates. But imagine, just imagine, that she knew exactly what she was doing ? Imagine that Merkel and his crew knew what it took to kick the Germans and Italians and Swedes and Poles out of their reverie ?

    I just hope that these people who voted for Brexit will not wake up, as did the Egyptians, Syrians, even Ukrainians, to find out they were just 'useful idiots'
    , @Rehmat
    YEP - Poles are as White as the European Jews!

    "Poles imbibes anti-Semitism with their mother’s milk, Zitzhak," Shamir, former Israeli prime minister and member of Jewish terrorist militia Lehi, quoted by Vanessa Gera, AP, October 28, 2014.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/04/01/poland-changes-holocaust-narrative/
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  2. The WORLD is tired of their leaders pissing on their leg and telling them it’s raining.
    Being over run with immigrants in the past is why people know they don’t want to be over run with them again.

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  3. While I agree with the major premise of this article, I think this falls short:

    Debate during the referendum focused on bread-and-butter economic issues and migration without much discussion of the political purpose of the EU itself. Since the beginning, the aim was always to find a way to include Germany as the most powerful and wealthiest state in Western Europe within an institution in which it and lesser European powers could coexist peacefully to the benefit of all. This project has largely worked – though long before the Brexit vote, the EU was clearly dysfunctional in coping with a myriad of political and economic problems.

    The EU, like the US and the rest of the developed world has used debt to buy temporary prosperity and avoid facing real difficulties. Germany has loaned money to failing states in order to keep its factories and workers busy. Now the piper must be paid.

    Borrowing from the future to avoid facing problems today does not fit my definition of “largely worked”. That process has always failed and will always fail. Expect things to get worse. There are still many birds flapping about that will eventually come home to roost.

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  4. So much better going nowhere fast.. The sooner it all gets torn down, the sooner it gets righted. Better than death by the thousand cuts they’ve inflicted upon us already.

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  5. Jeff77450 says:
    @another fred
    While I agree with the major premise of this article, I think this falls short:

    Debate during the referendum focused on bread-and-butter economic issues and migration without much discussion of the political purpose of the EU itself. Since the beginning, the aim was always to find a way to include Germany as the most powerful and wealthiest state in Western Europe within an institution in which it and lesser European powers could coexist peacefully to the benefit of all. This project has largely worked – though long before the Brexit vote, the EU was clearly dysfunctional in coping with a myriad of political and economic problems.
     
    The EU, like the US and the rest of the developed world has used debt to buy temporary prosperity and avoid facing real difficulties. Germany has loaned money to failing states in order to keep its factories and workers busy. Now the piper must be paid.

    Borrowing from the future to avoid facing problems today does not fit my definition of "largely worked". That process has always failed and will always fail. Expect things to get worse. There are still many birds flapping about that will eventually come home to roost.

    Agreed.

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  6. Jeff77450 says:
    @boogerbently
    The WORLD is tired of their leaders pissing on their leg and telling them it's raining.
    Being over run with immigrants in the past is why people know they don't want to be over run with them again.

    Agreed.

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  7. “This is at its worst in the Middle East and North Africa, where there are now at least eight wars and three serious insurgencies raging.”

    And it is because Continental Europe refuses to defend itself from the tidal wave of humanity coming from that region that Brexit makes infinite sense as a necessary first step to ensure the survival of the English.

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  8. Quebeker says:
    @22pp22
    Dire article.

    The only factor worrying most POMS was the idiotic decision by mad pig Merkel to invite in the entire Third World. That is what is destabilising Europe. Brexit is a symptom.

    People are rude about Poles beaecause they are white. It is Somalis and Roma who are the real problem communities.

    Ok, let me take off my tinfoil hat for a moment. Yes, maybe all this is in great part due to Merkel opening the flood gates. But imagine, just imagine, that she knew exactly what she was doing ? Imagine that Merkel and his crew knew what it took to kick the Germans and Italians and Swedes and Poles out of their reverie ?

    I just hope that these people who voted for Brexit will not wake up, as did the Egyptians, Syrians, even Ukrainians, to find out they were just ‘useful idiots’

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    Imagine that Merkel and her [org.: his] crew knew what it took to kick the Germans and Italians and Swedes and Poles out of their reverie ?

    Woah. Angela as Hari Seldon or possibly God Emperor Leto II Atreides?

    That sounds VERY bizarre.

    Maybe it might make a good movie by Uwe Boll?
    , @iffen
    Ok, let me take off my tinfoil hat for a moment.

    And read some of the articles and comments here?

    Thrill-seeking behavior is the word.
  9. Marcus says:

    the post-Second World War political settlement was already at risk

    If only. It needs to be torn to shreds

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    • Replies: @5371
    Yes, if by their fruits ye shall know them, the postwar settlement long ago rotted to the core.
  10. Rehmat says:

    Yes – both Brexiteers and the Arab Spring had one thing in common – both were to serve Israeli causes.

    In March 2014, while on a 3-day visit to the Zionist entity, Gen. Martin Dempsey, the US Army’s top gun told reporters that the current instability across the Middle East as result of the so-called Arab Spring will benefit the Zionist entity in the long run. He stated that several American Sunni allies in the Middle East, who are worried of the rising power of Iran, (a Shi’tte-majority nation) are finding Israel as an ally. Tehran is known for its support of anti-Israel Shi’tte regime in Iraq, the Ba’athist regime in Damascus, Shi’tte Hizbullah and Sunni Hamas/Islamic Jihad.

    In July 2012, Gabriel M. Scheinmann, a visiting Fellow at the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), admitted that the Zionist entity is in fact the winner of the so-called “Arab Spring”.

    Israel’s regional interests were the major factor behind the creation of the Arab Spring. It’s the brainchild of the American Jewish lobbyists with close ties with the Zionist regime and the US State Department, which is controlled by Zionist Jews from top-to-bottom.

    https://rehmat1.com/2012/07/17/jinsa-israel-is-winner-of-arab-spring/

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  11. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    No, this is way too different from Ireland, Iraq, and Arab Spring.

    However one looks at it, Northern Ireland was a creation of British Imperialism.
    Brits should never have gotten involved in it.
    Brits were right to hand over Hong Kong to China when the time came.
    Brits should have moved out of ALL of Ireland upon Irish independence.
    The attempt to hold a piece of northern Ireland was bound to have bad consequences.

    As for Iraq, the new government was created by US invaders. Also, democracy(however crude it be) meant that Shias would gain power over Sunnis, the traditional elites. So, that was bound to mess things up. Also, nations surrounding Iraq sent arms to its factional allies. Iran armed the Shias. Saudis aided the Sunnis. Turks aided the Sunnis against both Shias and Kurds.
    There is no such problem facing UK.

    As for Arab Spring, there was the conflict among modern-secular reformers, pop culture youths turned onto rap, and Muslim activists. As in Iran in 1979, they had nothing in common but opposition to ruling regime.
    Also, the West bombed the hell out of Libya. And the problem in Syria would not exist if the West had left Assad alone to suppress the opposition. The violence got out of hand when US and its allies(esp Saudis and Turks) aided the terrorists of all stripes.
    There is no such threat in the UK. Arab Spring wasn’t the main reason for the war and violence. It was Western intervention. Besides, the West was hypocritical. When Gaddafi used violence to put down opposition, the West bitched and enforced no-fly zone. But when Egyptian military used violence to topple democratically elected government and mowed down people, US stood by the military regime.
    Arab Spring would have led to limited bloodshed IF the West had not intervened in Libya and Syria.

    The problem in the UK has to do with the following poisons. Too many blacks and Pakis. Blacks are nuts. Blacks are also stronger and beat up pansy white boys and hump white girls, creating a mud race of mulattoes. It turns UK into cUcK.
    Pakis are backward and ridiculous. They pray like tards in the streets and wear pajamies in public. The very sight of them makes me wanna puke.
    Also, US-style cultural influence has turned UK into a trashy place.
    Brits used to have intelligent culture of literature and tea and crumpets. Now, they’ve been Jerry-Springered. UK must reject trash culture. They need fascist-humanism.

    Brits need to kick out the foreigners. Africans have Africa. Let them live there. Paks have Pakistan. Let them live there.
    UK must not get involved in foreign wars.
    UK must not allow foreign hordes.

    Homogeneity is the basis for unity.
    Also, UK must stop listening to globo-Jews.
    As for ‘progs’ addicted to ‘diversity’, just tell them to go live in North Africa where they can get instant diversity.
    As for the Scots, they only respect power. When UK was powerful and confident, Scots went along out of respect. It was when the Brits became pansy and wussy that Scots got sick of being part of wussy post-imperial Britain. Scots respect power that kicks them in the butt. They are a funny people. They wear skirts and no underwear, so when they fall down, you can see their puds and nuts. They are still semi-barbarian and need a swift kick in the arse now and then. Scots are the Chechens of UK. You see how Chechens respected Russian power after it really kicked butt? You can’t appease Scots by being nice. You gotta treat them like Liz Taylor in TAMING OF THE SHREW. You gotta show them who’s boss or else they act like Zed in ZARDOZ.

    Why must UK accept foreigners? Other peoples have their own nations. Also, Pakis kicked the Brits out of Pakistan, and blacks kicked British out of Africa. Okay, pakistan for paks, African for blacks. And UK for white Britons.

    Britain isn’t the world. It is one nation among many in the world. Different nations have different races and cultures. Brits should prize what they are for what they are. They need to stop trying to turn UK into a mini-model of the British Empire, esp when the foreigners come to UK to push the natives around.
    As PC castrates the native whites with ‘white guilt’, they are not even allowed to fight back against rottenness such as took place at Rotherham.

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    Isn't it time for the UK to get out of Scotland?

    In 2014, UK’s pro-Israel prime minister David Cameron has warned the ‘Scots for Israel’ that an independent Scotland would be more pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel than United Kingdom.

    David Folkerts-Landau (Jewish) Chief Economist of German Deutsche Bank warned Scots that they will face a “Great Depression” within an independent Scotland.

    Scotland is home to more than 40,000 Muslims, most of them second, third and fourth generation citizens. A great majority of them along with other Scottish Asians see an independent Scotland more tolerant toward Muslim community and less controlled by the powerful UK Jewish Lobby.

    The most celebrated Muslim Scot has been Queen Victoria’s controversial teacher and confident Abdul Karim.

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/09/16/lobby-an-independent-scotland-is-bad-for-israel/
    , @Bayan
    Don't invade, don't invite is a good and wise policy.

    Insulting Africans and the rest is unnecessary.

    100 million Russians armed with nuclear power kick butt of tiny 1 million tribe of Chechnya, and you cheer it?

    Scottish skirts, puds, and nuts are issues?

    Scotland had a legal and peaceful referendum in which they decided to remain in UK. Had they decided to be independent where will they go? They will still be where they are, and remain a close ally of UK. Norway's separation from Sweden did not change things that much. I am for democratic federalism where differing ethnics find themselves living together. It involves the risk of separation, but it is better to handle the risk peacefully and democratically than turn into a murderous state that Russia has become.

    And, what is fascist-humanism?

  12. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Comparing the dysfunctional and retarded Arab world to Britain is pretty ridiculous. Britain is a democracy and has been for a long time. Even centuries ago there were gradual restrictions placed on the king with the rise of parliament. Hell even King John had to sign the magna carta and that was over 800 years ago.

    In contrast there is not now, nor has there ever been, in all of history, one single democratic free state anywhere in the Arab world. That should tell you all you need to know about Arabs right there.

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  13. The destructive nature of the EU’s policies towards Greece and even Ireland was enough of an argument for British departure. Even Scotland’s vote was less pro-EU than one would have thought, since the SNP wants to use Scotland’s support for the EU as a rationale for a secession referendum. The EU as a neoliberal unaccountable bureaucratic state with no democratic basis is another ground for Britain’s exit, as the fact it has degenerated into the means of fastening Washington consensus policies on European countries and threatening consumer protection, health and labour standards there.

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  14. TheJester says:

    A story about how the EU operates: Spain joined the EU. Then, the German and French bankers backed by economic equalization/development advisers from the EU showed up throwing money around (I understand the same thing happened in Greece). They encouraged local fishermen to borrow money to buy large, state-of-the-art fishing boats with sonar and other advanced gadgets. The boats performed exactly as described; the hauls were large; as promised, the increased hauls would pay for the boats. Prosperity was just around the corner.

    Then, the EU bureaucrats in Brussels decided the fishermen were “over fishing”. The bureaucrats intervened and banned the fishermen from fishing. The fishermen could not make their payments on the boats. They lost everything.

    The big picture: At the end of the day, under EU sponsorship, the whole economic equalization and development/loan gambit from northern Europe to southern Europe started to look like a scam — looting — on the part of the EU bureaucrats and the banks. Writ large, it was a calculated transfer of wealth from what became known as the PIGS to northern Europe, primarily Germany. At the bottom line, through Brussels and its economic development programs, the Germans had been able to peacefully assert economic and political control over the entire European continent … something that had systematically eluded them in WWI and WWII (no wonder Frau Merkel casts such a large shadow across the EU and Europe).

    I predict that Portuexit, Italexit, Grexit, and Spexit are just around the corner.

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    The sad part of that story is that the overfishing part is actually true, too. Large fish ain't found no more.

    I predict that Portuexit, Italexit, Grexit, and Spexit are just around the corner.

    Well, the EURO is there to cover up the weak/failing/nonproductive and overly indebted economies of these countries (including France, which is why PIGS should be PFIGS. Devaluations (i.e. hidden taxation when reality snaps back and tells you you are not as rich as the government spokeperson pretends and maybe the State is not your friend) before the EURO were serial.

    EURO was an ERROR. It's time to deconflict the situation.
  15. El Dato says:
    @Quebeker
    Ok, let me take off my tinfoil hat for a moment. Yes, maybe all this is in great part due to Merkel opening the flood gates. But imagine, just imagine, that she knew exactly what she was doing ? Imagine that Merkel and his crew knew what it took to kick the Germans and Italians and Swedes and Poles out of their reverie ?

    I just hope that these people who voted for Brexit will not wake up, as did the Egyptians, Syrians, even Ukrainians, to find out they were just 'useful idiots'

    Imagine that Merkel and her [org.: his] crew knew what it took to kick the Germans and Italians and Swedes and Poles out of their reverie ?

    Woah. Angela as Hari Seldon or possibly God Emperor Leto II Atreides?

    That sounds VERY bizarre.

    Maybe it might make a good movie by Uwe Boll?

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    • Replies: @Quebeker
    You're invoking fond memories with your references to the Foundation and Dune series.

    Needless to say, this was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion I was making.
    Still, you will admit that my theory is not more far-fetched than any 'serious' explanation for her actions.
  16. El Dato says:
    @TheJester
    A story about how the EU operates: Spain joined the EU. Then, the German and French bankers backed by economic equalization/development advisers from the EU showed up throwing money around (I understand the same thing happened in Greece). They encouraged local fishermen to borrow money to buy large, state-of-the-art fishing boats with sonar and other advanced gadgets. The boats performed exactly as described; the hauls were large; as promised, the increased hauls would pay for the boats. Prosperity was just around the corner.

    Then, the EU bureaucrats in Brussels decided the fishermen were "over fishing". The bureaucrats intervened and banned the fishermen from fishing. The fishermen could not make their payments on the boats. They lost everything.

    The big picture: At the end of the day, under EU sponsorship, the whole economic equalization and development/loan gambit from northern Europe to southern Europe started to look like a scam -- looting -- on the part of the EU bureaucrats and the banks. Writ large, it was a calculated transfer of wealth from what became known as the PIGS to northern Europe, primarily Germany. At the bottom line, through Brussels and its economic development programs, the Germans had been able to peacefully assert economic and political control over the entire European continent ... something that had systematically eluded them in WWI and WWII (no wonder Frau Merkel casts such a large shadow across the EU and Europe).

    I predict that Portuexit, Italexit, Grexit, and Spexit are just around the corner.

    The sad part of that story is that the overfishing part is actually true, too. Large fish ain’t found no more.

    I predict that Portuexit, Italexit, Grexit, and Spexit are just around the corner.

    Well, the EURO is there to cover up the weak/failing/nonproductive and overly indebted economies of these countries (including France, which is why PIGS should be PFIGS. Devaluations (i.e. hidden taxation when reality snaps back and tells you you are not as rich as the government spokeperson pretends and maybe the State is not your friend) before the EURO were serial.

    EURO was an ERROR. It’s time to deconflict the situation.

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  17. Quebeker says:
    @El Dato
    Imagine that Merkel and her [org.: his] crew knew what it took to kick the Germans and Italians and Swedes and Poles out of their reverie ?

    Woah. Angela as Hari Seldon or possibly God Emperor Leto II Atreides?

    That sounds VERY bizarre.

    Maybe it might make a good movie by Uwe Boll?

    You’re invoking fond memories with your references to the Foundation and Dune series.

    Needless to say, this was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion I was making.
    Still, you will admit that my theory is not more far-fetched than any ‘serious’ explanation for her actions.

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  18. Rehmat says:
    @Priss Factor
    No, this is way too different from Ireland, Iraq, and Arab Spring.

    However one looks at it, Northern Ireland was a creation of British Imperialism.
    Brits should never have gotten involved in it.
    Brits were right to hand over Hong Kong to China when the time came.
    Brits should have moved out of ALL of Ireland upon Irish independence.
    The attempt to hold a piece of northern Ireland was bound to have bad consequences.

    As for Iraq, the new government was created by US invaders. Also, democracy(however crude it be) meant that Shias would gain power over Sunnis, the traditional elites. So, that was bound to mess things up. Also, nations surrounding Iraq sent arms to its factional allies. Iran armed the Shias. Saudis aided the Sunnis. Turks aided the Sunnis against both Shias and Kurds.
    There is no such problem facing UK.

    As for Arab Spring, there was the conflict among modern-secular reformers, pop culture youths turned onto rap, and Muslim activists. As in Iran in 1979, they had nothing in common but opposition to ruling regime.
    Also, the West bombed the hell out of Libya. And the problem in Syria would not exist if the West had left Assad alone to suppress the opposition. The violence got out of hand when US and its allies(esp Saudis and Turks) aided the terrorists of all stripes.
    There is no such threat in the UK. Arab Spring wasn't the main reason for the war and violence. It was Western intervention. Besides, the West was hypocritical. When Gaddafi used violence to put down opposition, the West bitched and enforced no-fly zone. But when Egyptian military used violence to topple democratically elected government and mowed down people, US stood by the military regime.
    Arab Spring would have led to limited bloodshed IF the West had not intervened in Libya and Syria.

    The problem in the UK has to do with the following poisons. Too many blacks and Pakis. Blacks are nuts. Blacks are also stronger and beat up pansy white boys and hump white girls, creating a mud race of mulattoes. It turns UK into cUcK.
    Pakis are backward and ridiculous. They pray like tards in the streets and wear pajamies in public. The very sight of them makes me wanna puke.
    Also, US-style cultural influence has turned UK into a trashy place.
    Brits used to have intelligent culture of literature and tea and crumpets. Now, they've been Jerry-Springered. UK must reject trash culture. They need fascist-humanism.

    Brits need to kick out the foreigners. Africans have Africa. Let them live there. Paks have Pakistan. Let them live there.
    UK must not get involved in foreign wars.
    UK must not allow foreign hordes.

    Homogeneity is the basis for unity.
    Also, UK must stop listening to globo-Jews.
    As for 'progs' addicted to 'diversity', just tell them to go live in North Africa where they can get instant diversity.
    As for the Scots, they only respect power. When UK was powerful and confident, Scots went along out of respect. It was when the Brits became pansy and wussy that Scots got sick of being part of wussy post-imperial Britain. Scots respect power that kicks them in the butt. They are a funny people. They wear skirts and no underwear, so when they fall down, you can see their puds and nuts. They are still semi-barbarian and need a swift kick in the arse now and then. Scots are the Chechens of UK. You see how Chechens respected Russian power after it really kicked butt? You can't appease Scots by being nice. You gotta treat them like Liz Taylor in TAMING OF THE SHREW. You gotta show them who's boss or else they act like Zed in ZARDOZ.

    Why must UK accept foreigners? Other peoples have their own nations. Also, Pakis kicked the Brits out of Pakistan, and blacks kicked British out of Africa. Okay, pakistan for paks, African for blacks. And UK for white Britons.

    Britain isn't the world. It is one nation among many in the world. Different nations have different races and cultures. Brits should prize what they are for what they are. They need to stop trying to turn UK into a mini-model of the British Empire, esp when the foreigners come to UK to push the natives around.
    As PC castrates the native whites with 'white guilt', they are not even allowed to fight back against rottenness such as took place at Rotherham.

    Isn’t it time for the UK to get out of Scotland?

    In 2014, UK’s pro-Israel prime minister David Cameron has warned the ‘Scots for Israel’ that an independent Scotland would be more pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel than United Kingdom.

    David Folkerts-Landau (Jewish) Chief Economist of German Deutsche Bank warned Scots that they will face a “Great Depression” within an independent Scotland.

    Scotland is home to more than 40,000 Muslims, most of them second, third and fourth generation citizens. A great majority of them along with other Scottish Asians see an independent Scotland more tolerant toward Muslim community and less controlled by the powerful UK Jewish Lobby.

    The most celebrated Muslim Scot has been Queen Victoria’s controversial teacher and confident Abdul Karim.

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/09/16/lobby-an-independent-scotland-is-bad-for-israel/

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  19. 5371 says:
    @Marcus

    the post-Second World War political settlement was already at risk
     
    If only. It needs to be torn to shreds

    Yes, if by their fruits ye shall know them, the postwar settlement long ago rotted to the core.

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  20. Bayan says:
    @Priss Factor
    No, this is way too different from Ireland, Iraq, and Arab Spring.

    However one looks at it, Northern Ireland was a creation of British Imperialism.
    Brits should never have gotten involved in it.
    Brits were right to hand over Hong Kong to China when the time came.
    Brits should have moved out of ALL of Ireland upon Irish independence.
    The attempt to hold a piece of northern Ireland was bound to have bad consequences.

    As for Iraq, the new government was created by US invaders. Also, democracy(however crude it be) meant that Shias would gain power over Sunnis, the traditional elites. So, that was bound to mess things up. Also, nations surrounding Iraq sent arms to its factional allies. Iran armed the Shias. Saudis aided the Sunnis. Turks aided the Sunnis against both Shias and Kurds.
    There is no such problem facing UK.

    As for Arab Spring, there was the conflict among modern-secular reformers, pop culture youths turned onto rap, and Muslim activists. As in Iran in 1979, they had nothing in common but opposition to ruling regime.
    Also, the West bombed the hell out of Libya. And the problem in Syria would not exist if the West had left Assad alone to suppress the opposition. The violence got out of hand when US and its allies(esp Saudis and Turks) aided the terrorists of all stripes.
    There is no such threat in the UK. Arab Spring wasn't the main reason for the war and violence. It was Western intervention. Besides, the West was hypocritical. When Gaddafi used violence to put down opposition, the West bitched and enforced no-fly zone. But when Egyptian military used violence to topple democratically elected government and mowed down people, US stood by the military regime.
    Arab Spring would have led to limited bloodshed IF the West had not intervened in Libya and Syria.

    The problem in the UK has to do with the following poisons. Too many blacks and Pakis. Blacks are nuts. Blacks are also stronger and beat up pansy white boys and hump white girls, creating a mud race of mulattoes. It turns UK into cUcK.
    Pakis are backward and ridiculous. They pray like tards in the streets and wear pajamies in public. The very sight of them makes me wanna puke.
    Also, US-style cultural influence has turned UK into a trashy place.
    Brits used to have intelligent culture of literature and tea and crumpets. Now, they've been Jerry-Springered. UK must reject trash culture. They need fascist-humanism.

    Brits need to kick out the foreigners. Africans have Africa. Let them live there. Paks have Pakistan. Let them live there.
    UK must not get involved in foreign wars.
    UK must not allow foreign hordes.

    Homogeneity is the basis for unity.
    Also, UK must stop listening to globo-Jews.
    As for 'progs' addicted to 'diversity', just tell them to go live in North Africa where they can get instant diversity.
    As for the Scots, they only respect power. When UK was powerful and confident, Scots went along out of respect. It was when the Brits became pansy and wussy that Scots got sick of being part of wussy post-imperial Britain. Scots respect power that kicks them in the butt. They are a funny people. They wear skirts and no underwear, so when they fall down, you can see their puds and nuts. They are still semi-barbarian and need a swift kick in the arse now and then. Scots are the Chechens of UK. You see how Chechens respected Russian power after it really kicked butt? You can't appease Scots by being nice. You gotta treat them like Liz Taylor in TAMING OF THE SHREW. You gotta show them who's boss or else they act like Zed in ZARDOZ.

    Why must UK accept foreigners? Other peoples have their own nations. Also, Pakis kicked the Brits out of Pakistan, and blacks kicked British out of Africa. Okay, pakistan for paks, African for blacks. And UK for white Britons.

    Britain isn't the world. It is one nation among many in the world. Different nations have different races and cultures. Brits should prize what they are for what they are. They need to stop trying to turn UK into a mini-model of the British Empire, esp when the foreigners come to UK to push the natives around.
    As PC castrates the native whites with 'white guilt', they are not even allowed to fight back against rottenness such as took place at Rotherham.

    Don’t invade, don’t invite is a good and wise policy.

    Insulting Africans and the rest is unnecessary.

    100 million Russians armed with nuclear power kick butt of tiny 1 million tribe of Chechnya, and you cheer it?

    Scottish skirts, puds, and nuts are issues?

    Scotland had a legal and peaceful referendum in which they decided to remain in UK. Had they decided to be independent where will they go? They will still be where they are, and remain a close ally of UK. Norway’s separation from Sweden did not change things that much. I am for democratic federalism where differing ethnics find themselves living together. It involves the risk of separation, but it is better to handle the risk peacefully and democratically than turn into a murderous state that Russia has become.

    And, what is fascist-humanism?

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    The murderous state is called America, not Russia. But there again, you've probably not been "noticing."
  21. @Bayan
    Don't invade, don't invite is a good and wise policy.

    Insulting Africans and the rest is unnecessary.

    100 million Russians armed with nuclear power kick butt of tiny 1 million tribe of Chechnya, and you cheer it?

    Scottish skirts, puds, and nuts are issues?

    Scotland had a legal and peaceful referendum in which they decided to remain in UK. Had they decided to be independent where will they go? They will still be where they are, and remain a close ally of UK. Norway's separation from Sweden did not change things that much. I am for democratic federalism where differing ethnics find themselves living together. It involves the risk of separation, but it is better to handle the risk peacefully and democratically than turn into a murderous state that Russia has become.

    And, what is fascist-humanism?

    The murderous state is called America, not Russia. But there again, you’ve probably not been “noticing.”

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  22. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Rehmat
    Isn't it time for the UK to get out of Scotland?

    In 2014, UK’s pro-Israel prime minister David Cameron has warned the ‘Scots for Israel’ that an independent Scotland would be more pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel than United Kingdom.

    David Folkerts-Landau (Jewish) Chief Economist of German Deutsche Bank warned Scots that they will face a “Great Depression” within an independent Scotland.

    Scotland is home to more than 40,000 Muslims, most of them second, third and fourth generation citizens. A great majority of them along with other Scottish Asians see an independent Scotland more tolerant toward Muslim community and less controlled by the powerful UK Jewish Lobby.

    The most celebrated Muslim Scot has been Queen Victoria’s controversial teacher and confident Abdul Karim.

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/09/16/lobby-an-independent-scotland-is-bad-for-israel/

    Scotland is NOT “their” home.

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    Who are THEIR, darling? I hope you didn't mean your Jewish ancestors who were kicked out from England for 350 years.
  23. Stogumber says:

    Interesting article.
    I’ve for a long time understood that most members of the Left will, in case of emergency, support the “comfortable” status quo. Only I didn’t know that Cockburn was one of them, and so well prepared to do it, already.
    We’ll probably go back to the mid-1930 “einheitsfront” policy (union of bourgeoisie and Left under the banner of anti-fascism). This was exactly what the Neo-Liberals (around Hayek) fought against.

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  24. I think we’ll do a lot better than the Arabs. Frankly we are a lot better than them. Christian church-mandated outbreeding & Islam-sanctioned inbreeding saw to that, as HBD Chick argues.

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  25. Art says:

    Leading Antiwar Progressives Speak Favorably of Aspects of Trump’s Foreign Policy

    By John V. Walsh
    June 23, 2016 “Information Clearing House” – Until recently the progressive mind has been resolutely closed and stubbornly frozen in place against all things Trump.

    But cracks are appearing in the ice. With increasing frequency over the last few months some of the most thoughtful left and progressive figures have begun to speak favorably of aspects of Trump’s foreign policy. Let us hear from these heretics, among them William Greider, Glen Ford, John Pilger, Jean Bricmont, Stephen F. Cohen and William Blum. Their words are not to be construed as “endorsements,” but rather an acknowledgement of Trump’s anti-interventionist views, the impact those views are having and the alternative he poses to Hillary Clinton in the current electoral contest.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44953.htm

    There are a few bad individuals among all peoples – there are a very few truly bad peoples – there are many many bad governments claiming good, who are quick to war – it is they, who must be reined in.

    Right or left – Christian or not – be like Jesus – oppose war!

    Here are the informative words. Look – “Live by the sword – die by the sword.” — think – “Judge a tree by the fruit it bares. — act – “Blessed are the peace makers”

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  26. Rehmat says:
    @22pp22
    Dire article.

    The only factor worrying most POMS was the idiotic decision by mad pig Merkel to invite in the entire Third World. That is what is destabilising Europe. Brexit is a symptom.

    People are rude about Poles beaecause they are white. It is Somalis and Roma who are the real problem communities.

    YEP – Poles are as White as the European Jews!

    “Poles imbibes anti-Semitism with their mother’s milk, Zitzhak,” Shamir, former Israeli prime minister and member of Jewish terrorist militia Lehi, quoted by Vanessa Gera, AP, October 28, 2014.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/04/01/poland-changes-holocaust-narrative/

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  27. I never doubted Brexit would happen.

    The English aren’t as easily browbeaten as the Scots.

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  28. CAL says:

    A referendum is by its nature divisive and is justified by explaining that it will produce a democratic decision that everybody can accept. But it is in the very nature of a referendum campaign that issues are over-simplified and presented as black-and-white questions by opponents who demonise each other. The vote becomes the vehicle for demagoguery and agendas that have little to do with Britain’s relationship to Europe.

    Um, Britain is either part of the EU or it isn’t. There isn’t much of a compromise position. At least there isn’t one that the bureaucrats of Brussels are going to accept. Some situations have no compromise. Britain is not the reason the EU is failing. It is failing because Germany is busy flooding the continent with Muslims (and not it’s not some 8 dimensional chess move) and Brussels is busy dictating every jot and tittle of life with no accountability.

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  29. Rehmat says:
    @anon
    Scotland is NOT "their" home.

    Who are THEIR, darling? I hope you didn’t mean your Jewish ancestors who were kicked out from England for 350 years.

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    What a tool you are. I am not Jewish either.

    But Jews have managed to build a free and prosperous country in one very small corner of the middle east. What have you Muslims achieved in all the 99% rest of it sport? Indeed what has Islam achieved at all? Muslim countries are poor, corrupt, backward, undemocratic and dysfunctional. Isn't that why you left one to come to the west?
  30. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Rehmat
    Who are THEIR, darling? I hope you didn't mean your Jewish ancestors who were kicked out from England for 350 years.

    What a tool you are. I am not Jewish either.

    But Jews have managed to build a free and prosperous country in one very small corner of the middle east. What have you Muslims achieved in all the 99% rest of it sport? Indeed what has Islam achieved at all? Muslim countries are poor, corrupt, backward, undemocratic and dysfunctional. Isn’t that why you left one to come to the west?

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  31. iffen says:
    @Quebeker
    Ok, let me take off my tinfoil hat for a moment. Yes, maybe all this is in great part due to Merkel opening the flood gates. But imagine, just imagine, that she knew exactly what she was doing ? Imagine that Merkel and his crew knew what it took to kick the Germans and Italians and Swedes and Poles out of their reverie ?

    I just hope that these people who voted for Brexit will not wake up, as did the Egyptians, Syrians, even Ukrainians, to find out they were just 'useful idiots'

    Ok, let me take off my tinfoil hat for a moment.

    And read some of the articles and comments here?

    Thrill-seeking behavior is the word.

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