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I used to have a driver called Omar in Baghdad at the height of the Sunni-Shia slaughter between 2004 and 2010. He was a Sunni Arab and, at the peak of the sectarian bloodshed, he fled with his family to Damascus where they stayed for a year.

On his return, he found that his house, on which he had spent all his money and was in a religiously mixed district in west Baghdad, had been seized by Shia militiamen. When he briefly visited it, his neighbours warned him to go away as quickly as he could or he would be killed.

He sold his wife’s jewellery, borrowed some money and paid an Iraqi in Sweden a considerable sum to get him there. It was always a doomed idea because he spoke only Arabic and had no skills other than those of a driver. He flew first to Kuala Lumpur, then to Phnom Penh and finally by bus to Ho Chi Minh City where he tried to get a flight to Lithuania using a Lithuanian passport he had purchased.

A few questions by Vietnamese officials revealed that he did not speak Lithuanian and he was soon back in Baghdad where he tried to earn a living as a taxi driver. This was not easy in a city crowded with taxis, where it was not safe for him to venture into Shia districts. The situation was not quite as dangerous, however, as it had been at the height of the killings.

I lost touch with Omar, which is not his real name, until a few weeks ago when I got an anguished email in slightly broken English, which he must have got a friend to translate from Arabic, recalling that he had once worked for me. He wrote that once again Baghdad had become very dangerous, adding a plea: “I need your help in a simple way, you remember in 2006 I forced to leave my house and threatened to be killed by the shiite militia and after that time I tried to travel to Europe illegally but I failed.

“You know our situation how it is dangerous and very bad…” He asked me to help him get out of Iraq by writing a letter saying that his life is in danger, as it certainly is, and supporting his request for asylum.

I did not think that any country would give him refuge, but I suspected that, if they did not, Omar would make another disastrous effort to get to Europe illegally and either end up dead or even more impoverished than before. On the other hand, it was his choice and I wrote a letter truthfully describing his dire circumstances.

Omar is one of a tidal wave of Iraqis trying to get out of Iraq as the war continues and insecurity grows worse by the day. Kidnapping is rife in Baghdad, with victims ranging from three-year-old children to the deputy Minister of Justice.

Eighteen Turkish construction workers were abducted by a Shia militia and moved to Basra without the government being able to do anything about it. In addition there are daily bombings by Isis which a multitude of government checkpoints fail to stop.

Focus in Europe has been on refugees from the war in Syria, but a mood of desperation and despair is also sweeping through Iraq. Over the last eighteen months the surge in fighting has raised the number of people displaced from their homes to over three million or 10 per cent of the population according to the International Organisation for Migration. Even in the Kurdish north, where security is much better, one can see young men on the streets with heavy rucksacks as they start the long trek towards Europe.

The five or six million Sunni Arabs in Iraq are particularly vulnerable because they are suspected by the Kurds and Shia of secretly sympathising with Isis. Many stories may be apocryphal, but Kurds and Shia claim that wherever Isis advanced, it is aided by “sleeper cells” in Sunni districts.

If the Shia or Kurds recapture an area, the Sunni are given short shrift and, since Isis captured Mosul in June 2014, one million Sunni have fled to the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) zone from Anbar province and the provinces around Baghdad. Isis’ capture of Ramadi, the capital of Anbar, on 17 May this year, saw another 180,000 Sunni take to the roads in search of safety.

As in Syria, millions of people in Iraq are despairing of ever living a normal life with a job. The mass exodus from the country is gathering pace. “There are eighteen or nineteen planes a day leaving Iraq filled with people with one way tickets,” lamented a former senior official in Baghdad, who did not want his name published.

A foreign diplomat in KRG, who also wishes to remain anonymous, says that “there are 700 or 800 young men leaving from the two airports here every day, most of whom want to go to Europe. Some of them even have a job and a salary, but see no future here”. He added that, because there is more sympathy in the EU for Syrian refugees than those from Iraq, Iraqi refugees often throw away their passport and claim to be from Syria.

I asked Salim al-Jabouri, the Speaker of the Iraqi Parliament, who recently visited London and is the most important non-Jihadi Sunni leader in Iraq, about the fate of his community. He said that Sunni demands for fair treatment and power sharing needed to be satisfied, but he did not sound confident that this would happen soon.

ORDER IT NOW

In his own province of Diyala, he said that kidnappings and killings of Sunni were increasing. I asked him what advice he would give to a Sunni like my former driver Omar, a man who fears for his life, is without any prospects inside Iraq, and who wants to flee the country. Mr Jabouri said that it was “difficult for me to say, but we must create an environment in which Omar could live in Iraq”. Omar and millions like him cannot wait that long.

(Republished from The Independent by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    If that would only happen to all the government lovers in the world.

    • Agree: Marian
  2. Kiza says:

    Patrick has given a good example of why people have to become refugees, unlike what the Western estupidos scream about refugees being economic migrants. Of course, every refugee is an economic migrant because he/she needs work to feed his/her family.

    Personally, I am against refugees, but I am much more against people in the West who create refugees by “humanitarian interventions” and government/regime change policies. I find it interesting that the Western estupidos who are against the refugees tend to also support Western government/regime change policies. This is why they are the estupidos: because they cannot establish a direct link between the war they support and the refugees they do not support.

    Thank you Patrick for this good example.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    , @bomag
  3. I see two open paths. Either the world moves towards a condition where there is less ethnic/religious solidarity (and more cultural uniformity) or it continues to separate on sectarian lines. Either path leads to death on a horrific scale as the sects are not going to give up without a fight which means civil wars all over the globe.

    Others may argue that it is possible to return to a world where strong states keep a lid on sectarian strife as existed somewhat in the past. I think the genie is out of the bottle on that option as “freedom” for a substantial part of the population of the world means a free hand to ethnically cleanse their various lands, and they cannot be denied their “freedom”.

    Nobody in the West wants the job of World Police when, no matter how fairly one may try to enforce law and order, they are seen as tyrants, usually by all sides if they try to be truly fair. If there are no police, there is no law and order, no peace.

    The bloom is off the rose of romantic dreams of global democracy. As Jeffers said, “In the end, the sword will decide.”

    • Replies: @Jim
  4. @Kiza

    You are overlooking a very important and tragic fact: “Omar” has no marketable skills. He doesn’t speak English. He probably does not even understand the mechanical principles of the car he drives. He’s a surplus man in an r-selected society filled with surplus men. He will never be self-sufficient in the West. We don’t need more desperately poor taxi drivers, busboys, car washers, etc. We are automating huge amounts of brain-dead tasks every year. For that matter, we have engineers, managers, tradesmen, etc. who go months between projects.

    If this poor sap makes it to the West, who will hire him? Where will he live? How will he live? He will be a net tax consumer for the rest of his life. Every Western country has already mortgaged itself far into the future to pay for its present net tax consumers. There is simply no money left for any more absent a significant and politically impossible realignment of priorities.

    There are too many of us, and a great cull is coming.

    • Agree: unit472
  5. All that can be said is, God Damn the idiot greedsters who bomb, coup, invade and occupy everywhere else in the world into chaos. Since they’ve set up a defensive Deep State here to make themselves impervious even to regime change by democratic accountability through their managed democracy, it’s almost impossible to remove their mad hands on the levers of power. Certainly, there is no other option that is practical and moral other than peaceful transition, but a population addled and made impotent doesn’t seem to have it in them to do much more than squirm and take whatever is dished out.

    • Replies: @Jim
  6. AnAnon says:

    It is deplorable what has happened, and we never should have destabilized Iraq, but both parties wanted us out. The sunni triangle, which exacted the lions share in deaths and injuries during the occupation now has to deal with the shia, and those shia will find themselves having to deal with ISIS.

    • Replies: @Jim
  7. Jim says:
    @another fred

    For Africa and the Middle East the next century will probably be a time of turmoil and violence. This certainly has the potential to spill over into Europe and in fact is already doing so. Western Europeans seem to lack the will to save themselves however I get the impression that Eastern Europeans are not so suicidal.

    Probably East Asia will be one of the more stable and prosperous areas of the globe in the coming century.

    Democracy as a form of government tends to exacerbate internal conflict. It works OK in highly homogeneous countries like Iceland where there is little internal conflict to begin with but it is not suitable for most of the world. Japan is interesting in this regard because of its high degree of homogeneity. Despite the fact that democracy doesn’t have deep historical roots in Japan the internal situation in Japan – high degree of genetic similarity, absence of much religious/ideological conflict, generally shared culture and language -in short not much diversity – should make Japan a fairly favorable environment for a stable democracy. Time will tell if this works out.

    • Replies: @another fred
  8. Jim says:
    @AnAnon

    In 1948 Truman was advised by his Secretary of State George Marshall as well as almost the entire US foreign policy establishment at that time not to get involved in the conflicts of the Middle East. Truman’s political advisers told him to get involved in order to secure the Jewish vote. Given a choice between serving his political interests and serving the national interests Truman made his choice. We are still paying for that choice almost 70 years later.

  9. Jim says:
    @Sojourner Truth

    No doubt the Middle East is highly unstable even if left alone. But US foreign policy there has been akin to lighting a bonfire on a ship loaded with gunpowder. Control of US foreign policy in the Middle East has been ceded to a great extent to the Israeli lobby. Little consideration seems to be given to our own national interest.

  10. @Jim

    I agree that Eastern Europe is more likely to avoid the worst than the West, but SE Asia depends on China’s moves and their reactions.

    The world is awash in unpayable debt and the hegemon (US) is pulling back – this is not a recipe for peace. If there is no cop on the block to keep smaller powers from war then the possibility of local nuclear exchange grows. One challenge will be to keep the world from being swept into a general conflagration.

    In the ME the Muslim jihadis are not going away. Man’s ability to create bioweapons is growing daily. The argument against their use is that they have no strategic value, but what was the strategic value of 9/11? The jihadis give two choices, surrender or die. We may try to stay out of that fight, but the established states in the ME cannot.

    We live in interesting times.

    • Replies: @Jim
  11. Bianca says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    And the real issue is, why? We have a global system forced on the global economy that has imagined that the financial machinations, or more glamorously called, the capital or free markets — is all it will take to manage the globe successfully. Yet, all the studies show that the simple, non-industrial farming produces more energy then it consumes, and produces surplus food sufficient to feed a region. But we have become accustomed that food travels thousands of miles to the consumer, with all the damaged done to the soil in the process, all the unknown damage of GMO, as well as known damage of GMO, such as increased need for irrigation, fertilizing, and pest control. And with all the need for refrigeration, warehousing, chemical treatments of in-transit foods — not to mention the cost of shipping in terms of energy, and the resulting pollution — we have the system that is FAVORED by national and global institutions that may be profitable to some, and destructive to hundreds of millions of people. You change the system — and you will find people gainfully employed within their states, regions or tribes.

    What is lacking today is the global security. And the global security has been deliberately destroyed by the calls for democracy, followed by bombings and invasions that destroy the institutions of the society. It hardly matters what those institution are — tribes, nations, federations, confederations. The institutions are necessary for the establishment of order. It is not that magically humans have discovered the destructiveness of “individualism” but that they have been thrown — like the rats in an experiment — into a situation that everyone has to fight for existence, without rules and institutions that give us the order and harmony humans need to develop and create. The solution is obvious — but not welcome by neocon driven policies. It is in strengthening the authority of states and societal institutions — from family to religion. And it is in preventing international scam artistry such as IMF and World Bank to destroy the economy of states, making them weak and incapable of managing its resources to the benefit of population. Today, we have TWO very different visions of the world. One promotes globalism of misery, wars, and “individualism” where such “freedom” brings utter misery and utter insecurity to generations. The other promotes associations of sovereign states, without interfering into their internal institutions, traditions and economies. The first is promoted by US/EU neoliberalism, and the other by Eurasian integration, as spelled out by the Charter and principles of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. The association is built on the cooperation, trust, consultation and the principle of no-harm. It is not forcing any country to engage in projects against their will, it is not forcing them to “reform” their societies unless it comes from within. It is built around the principles that do not condone extremism, terrorism and secessionism of any kind. The objective is to establish peace, as condition sine qua non for economic development, regional collaboration and mutual security.

    • Replies: @Beach
    , @bomag
    , @Ace
  12. unit472 says:

    Interesting that these Muslims will adopt any identity or nationality to try and bring their problems to another land but refuse to get rid of the one thing that makes their own land such a hell. Their religion!

    • Replies: @Jim
    , @Jim
    , @Ace
  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    There is a simple solution – Europe takes unlimited numbers of Muslim refugees as long as they first renounce their religion. If Europe does not insist on this, we may as well rename Berlin as Baghdad and Stockholm as Syria.

    • Replies: @Jim
    , @Ace
  14. AndrewR says:

    Iraq under Saddam had no shortage of persecuted people. Obviously the invasion and occupation was horribly unnecessary and expensive, but the net human misery in Iraq may not have increased much since 2002.

  15. Jim says:
    @unit472

    It’s not their religion which is a problem for us. It is their genetic nature which is incompatible with ours.

  16. Jim says:
    @another fred

    We need to try to insulate ourselves as much as possible from the Middle East. Admittedly once you are in a hole it’s not easy to get out but at least we should stop digging.

  17. Robert says:

    “Mission accomplished”.

  18. Jim says:
    @Anonymous

    It does not matter that much whether Middle Eastern migrants to Europe convert to Christianity en masse. The genetic differences between clannish Middle Easterners and individualistic Western Europeans make bloody conflict inescapable. There is also about a one standard deviation difference in average IQ.

    Note that the clannish peoples of the Middle East do not get along very peaceably with each other. In Afghanistan virtually everybody is a Muslim but nevertheless the myriad tribes of Afghanistan have constantly been in violent conflict. So Islam does not produce peace.

    Not only would not a mass conversion of Middle Eastern migrants to Christianity not avert violent conflict, a mass conversion of Western Europeans to Islam would also not avert conflict. The conversion of Persians to Islam, far from ending conflict between Arabs and Persians, intensified it.

  19. Jim says:
    @unit472

    The clannish/tribal nature of Middle Eastern peoples is much more important in explaining the Middle East than their religion.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  20. Chris C says:

    A question: why is the hero of your tale trying to flee alone? Is the plan to move his wife after him, or is he another “where the white women at”?

    As a single male I would like to know. A massive influx of young single guys seems to me to be nothing but bad for my sexual market value. Yeah sad, I know. I’m selfish like that. At least I’m honest about it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  21. It is late September 2015. Iraq has been under extraordinary and relentless stresses for 35 years. For Cockburn to note now that “a mood of desperation and despair is also sweeping through Iraq,” the conditions must be beyond endurance of humans of most formidable psychological strength.

    If Bill Clinton, Paul Wolfowitz and the rest of the sadists responsible for the terrific misery of the Iraqi people do not burn in Hell for ever and ever, the the universe should be held in contempt.

  22. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/424412/netanyahu-receive-2015-aei-irving-kristol-award-michael-r-strain

    Wow, how incestuous can you get?

    Bibi might as well just award himself.

  23. Carpenter says:

    The U.S. destroyed Iraq because of the lying neocons and their brethren in the media. Now Europeans have to pay the price, which the neocons love, as their policy is supremacism for Israel but minority status for Whites.

    Omar is innocent, I am sure. But that won’t mean much to future generations of Whites who have to live in hell, a minority in the land their ancestors built, always exploited and always targeted by criminals.

    Even the best of the immigrants cover for the worst of the immigrants. I have heard of immigrants who think there is too much immigration (of Africans especially), but even of these immigrants few vote for anti-immigration parties. Come election day most of them still vote for the Left because it is “safe”. And voting for the Left is an attack on Whites, so Omar would be innocent no longer.

    If Omar manages to get to Sweden as he wants he will vote for the socialists so they give him free money, and so they keep the prison terms ridiculously low in order to free criminal Arabs as soon as possible. Omar will support this and think nothing of the victims of these criminals. He might become one of the perpetrators himself.

    “But he just wants safety!” And access to White people’s money, and access to White women. Anyone who isn’t aware of these last two factors should keep his mouth shut.

    “But for the children then! For the children!” That’s why TV news always shows images of women and children. This is a propaganda trick to make sure Whites won’t resist as they become victims. Sorry, not listening to that anymore.

    • Replies: @rod1963
  24. gussos says:

    GOD BLESS ZIONIST AMERICA

  25. @Jim

    To your #21 comment I would ask you to contrast and compare the period from the late 15th century to the early 18th century in Europe, especially its wars of religion, and compare the relative importance of genetic inheritance then and and now.

    • Replies: @Jim
  26. Why can’t Omar do the sensible thing in Baghdad and at least pretend to the Shia militias that he has seen the light and has accepted their version of the Mahometan inheritance? If Paris was worth a mass for Henri of Navarre surely the prospect of getting one’s house back justifies a bit of perjury.

    • Replies: @matt
    , @Deduction
  27. Jim says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You didn’t say what you wanted the period from the late 15th century to the early 18th century in Europe compared to. I guess you mean with the wars in the present Mid East.

    The wars in the present Mid East are not really religious or ideological conflicts. They are tribal/clan conflicts. In the time period you mention Western Europeans had long ceased to be organized along tribal/clan lines and Western European peoples were more and more identifying themselves as belonging to nation states . During this time most of the Middle East and much of the Balkans were part of the Ottoman Empire. The many peoples living under Ottoman rule had no common sense of identity. They were all held together by force and while Islam was dominant there were many Christians and other sects.

    The modern “countries” of Iraq, Syria, Libya etc. are artificial creations carved out of the remains of the Ottoman Empire. There are no such people as “Iraqis” any more than there were any such people as “Yugoslavs”. A strong man tyrant like Hussein might hold together something called Iraq and pretend that it is a country as Tito held together by force the imaginary “country” of Yugoslavia. But absent sufficent force a “country” like Iraq or Yugoslavia disintegrates into a multitude of tribes and clans.

    I’m not sure if this is responding to your question since I’m not sure I understand it. Human beings are biological organisms. In all biological phenomena polynucleotides are of central importance. Human history is no exception, not today and not in Europe in the period you refer to.

  28. Beach says:
    @Bianca

    The association is built on the cooperation, trust, consultation and the principle of no-harm. It is not forcing any country to engage in projects against their will

    Why don’t you ask the prisoners in China’s forced labor camps who are having their organs harvested for sale about being forced to engage in projects against their will.

    • Replies: @Bianca
  29. Robert says:

    Another person who realizes he and his country have been screwed by the U.S.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  30. rod1963 says:
    @Carpenter

    Yes they always run to the despised infidel countries composed of whites. Why? Because even the wealthy Muslims states know better than to accept these people. They’re trouble, they can’t be integrated and there is no room for them. Besides most work in oil states is done by outsiders who have a much better work ethic and technical skills and they aren’t Muslims. So the sheiks have no worry about them blowing stuff up.

    The white nations being stupid are taking in people who will never be anything but Muslims with a Muslim value system which is antithetical to the high trust and order systems built by whites. In the Muslim world, everything outside the family is prey. It’s okay to lie, cheat and steal outsiders.

    Sweden is a classic example of that. The Muslim colonists are like a corrosive solvent dissolving everything it touches.

  31. matt says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Shia can engage in dissimulation (taqiyya) to avoid persecution. Sunni jurisprudence doesn’t encourage this, however, though I think it’s acceptable in very extreme circumstances. Sunnis will say, though, that escape is preferable to lying. Also, at a more pragmatic level, Omar has to wonder whether the Shia militiamen will believe in the sincerity of his conversion.

  32. bomag says:
    @Kiza

    I am much more against people in the West who create refugees by “humanitarian interventions” and government/regime change policies.

    Well, yes, much to hate on in the West; but Iraq et al were (are) a house of cards in so many ways that we were probably facing this scenario anyway. And we get it from both sides: “well, the West didn’t intervene in Sudan enough, so here they come.”

  33. Deduction says:

    He’s not a refugee from Iraq at all. He is a refugee from Baghdad. There are plenty of places in Iraq where he, as a Sunni, would be fine.

    …but no, he somehow must go to Sweden. A country where his one half skill, driving, would probably not even enable him to pass the test to get a license!

    He wants welfare like his cousin and he wants the ability to sell Swedish citizenship via chain migration so that he can live well and do nothing. I don’t blame him but when oh when are we going to get wise to this blatant con?

    Eighteen Turkish construction workers were abducted by a Shia militia and moved to Basra without the government being able to do anything about it.

    Wow! Iraqis are so lazy and economically unproductive that much more expensive Turks are being brought in to do jobs like construction…Let’s get us some Iraqis to boost our economies! They’re unemployable at a dollar an hour.

  34. bomag says:
    @Bianca

    Yet, all the studies show that the simple, non-industrial farming produces more energy then it consumes, and produces surplus food sufficient to feed a region.

    I suspect this is not quite the case. We’ve got billions in urban areas who depend on industrial ag and the modern transportation system to keep it all going. Any one region can have a devastating crop failure, but our ability to send grain from Ukraine to anywhere in the world allows us to keep all those people alive.

    But if the future is robotized farms shoveling grain down surplus mouths, one starts to wonder what is the point of it all.

    • Replies: @Karl
  35. Kiza says:
    @Robert

    It is all for the benefit of Israel, the US is only the dumb executioner (who provides money and blood).

  36. Deduction says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Your advice is sound in a less clan based society.

    In Iraq, as in the Middle East in general, religion and tribe are intertwined. Pretending to be Shia probably wouldn’t cut it. He’d also have to change his name. Shias don’t like people called ‘Omar.’

  37. Saddam Hussein, on his worst day, could not create the pain and chaos that is becoming normal in today’s Iraq. This is the legacy of the Bush intervention. And no diplomacy or military operation will ever put Iraq back together again.

    • Replies: @Deduction
  38. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Chris C

    Exactly. This is really the core of the problem.
    If there was some way of confidently knowing aid goes towards people who are truly in misery, I wouldn’t care very much. I can afford that, and the societal gain of a young man working harder than a pregnant woman, child or elder goes without saying.
    But that’s not the case. The people coming here are young and able – they compete with me sexually and professionally. I feel no pity for a healthy man my own age… why should I? Just because he’s brown?
    The problem is complex and most of all tiresome… But regardless, history has always been about what young males do – they are the actual force behind any event, from wars to crime, to revolution and resistance. And while women and the elderly may passively accept it all, young European males are provoked, disgusted and enraged over seeing Arabic men their own age crowding their territory.

  39. Deduction says:
    @Epaminondas

    Nonsense. Iraq was a country teetering on the edge. Saddam probably would have died by now by natural causes and who knows what would have happened? Maybe something much worse.

    America may be attracted to sh*t and may not be able to fix sh*t but that doesn’t make them the cause.

    This idiotic guilt tripping needs to stop. Third worlders are responsible for the awful state their countries are in. They are owed nothing by the West. These are facts that are clear as day.

    Like it or not, 98 percent of problems in Iraq are caused by Iraqis. I suspect that a lot of the posters trying to guilt trip people here are actually Arabs just arguing out of tribal self-interest…

    …those who are not are a weird parallel of organisations like blacklivesmatter. They are trying to use chaos caused by non-whites to bash those they consider to be bad whites.

    Are there any white people at all left who can resist trying to turn every irrelevant conflict into a sermon on the evilness of their white enemies?

    We are completely mad!

    • Replies: @Jim
  40. Marian says:

    Reading this makes me really hope their is a hell. Our dear leaders, past and present, need an eternity there. What makes me sick is American Christians’ complicity in this tragedy.

    • Replies: @Deduction
  41. Deduction says:
    @Marian

    Blah blah blah Iraqis are innocent victims of American imperialism…not!

    Iraqis are the root cause of the vast majority of Iraq’s problems. Anyone who’s American and disagrees is just as much a cuckservative as those who blame white Americans for black crime.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Jim
  42. Pete1215 says:

    This is about as close to Hell as one will get to observe on this planet. Congrats to Bush/Cheney.

    • Replies: @Deduction
  43. geokat62 says:
    @Deduction

    Do you really think anyone is buying what you’re selling?

    • Replies: @Deduction
  44. Deduction says:
    @geokat62

    What a silly cuckservative response. You might as well have written ‘wow, just wow!’…

    Normally guilt mongering cuckservatives are trying to achieve something by their manipulation…what is it you want to achieve? More Arab immigration? Your cousins coming to join you? Or is it just a cynical attempt to exert a bit of social power?

    I’ll give you another go to try and dispute the practically self-evident logic of the first part of my statement and the very apt analogy of the second part.

    Here you go…

    Iraqis are the root cause of the vast majority of Iraq’s problems. Anyone who’s American and disagrees is just as much a cuckservative as those who blame white Americans for black crime.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  45. Deduction says:
    @Pete1215

    Bush/Chesney exerted a lot more power over America than Iraq, but it is much less of a hell hole…it’s almost as if having a country full of Americans is better for your societal achievement than having a country full of Iraqis…whoever would have thought it???

    Wait stop…crimethink…we absolutely must not hold people who aren’t white responsible for their situation…no that would be bad and racist and imperialist because we’d be treating them as if they are actually people…how terrible that would be!

  46. @The Anti-Gnostic

    “has no marketable skills. He doesn’t speak English”

    wait……….are we talking about the American southwest here?

    can’t he find a country where he can do the jobs that people in those countries won’t do? We apparently have millions and millions of those jobs here in the states.

    • Replies: @Deduction
  47. Deduction says:
    @interesting

    can’t he find a country where he can do the jobs that people in those countries won’t do? We apparently have millions and millions of those jobs here in the states

    While noting your fully justified sarcasm, I actually do think that there are millions of potential jobs that Americans won’t do.

    Such as working as a butler for a couple of dollars for 16 hour days. Not sure Omar would do this either, he’d probably just live informally off welfare and the occasional under the table job while selling chain citizenship to his many cousins back home, but some of the immigrants must be willing to do be indentured servant butlers! Especially if the government got a bit rougher and a bit more authoritarian.

    What a great, free and egalitarian country that would be! A small mega rich elite and a mass service class desperate to remain in employ to avoid falling into the unemployed welfare ghettos. Thank you diversity! Now I can realistically plan to live like an Ottoman sultan and laugh at the peons around me.

    Let me practice:

    ‘You there, slave, or whatever your foreign name is, lift up my sedan and carry me to my harem!’

    (Basically – if we don’t sort out our border I’m really going to have to make sure that I’ll be mega rich!!! Or you know…we could avoid becoming more and more like this dystopia and actually enforce the most basic aspect of a state – a border)

  48. Ace says:
    @Bianca

    You make many interesting points. At this moment of ultra-maximization of nonsense, lies, and treachery everything has to be “on the table” for discussion. However, it will soon be a situation where we must all play a game of “52 Pick Up,” where there is no game at all but merely a joke. The jokester merely throws a deck of cards into the air where the only thing to do is just pick up the cards. First chaos then clean up.

    You are correct that simple security is the first order of business but the fools directing American policy will not stop their attack on Assad, who is exactly one of the rulers who can and does provide stability. We’re destroying workable regimes and have no idea of what should, let alone can, replace them. Afghanistan, Iraq, and Kosovo are examples. Insanity rules. No other explanation suffices.

  49. Ace says:
    @unit472

    Agreed. When it is blasphemy to argue that the natural world is governed by the laws of physics that operated impersonally without Allahian decision, you then see the world as a place where each beat of a butterfly’s wing and each millimeter of flight of a mortar round is controlled by Allah. Did you just blink your eye? Allah commanded it.

    Object to this view of the world? Blasphemy! Hit speed dial for Omar with the sword. Tell him we’ve got another “customer.”

  50. Ace says:
    @Anonymous

    Taking in refugees is not an option, and never was. It’s the equivalent of approaching a woodpile soaked in gasoline with a lighted match. Moving very slowly toward the woodpile doesn’t change the result and we thus highlight the issue of predictability of in human affairs.

    Removing Muslims from the West is the only course of action that will save the West. Leaving Muslims in place who want to stay but requiring them to abjure Islam has a certain appeal but it still leaves millions of resentful, out-of-place foreigners inside the pale with all the problems that come with that. Culture matters. Muslime raus!

  51. geokat62 says:
    @Deduction

    I’ll give you another go to try and dispute the practically self-evident logic of the first part of my statement and the very apt analogy of the second part.

    Here you go…

    Iraqis are the root cause of the vast majority of Iraq’s problems. Anyone who’s American and disagrees is just as much a cuckservative as those who blame white Americans for black crime.

    Ok, here you go…

    Zionists/Israel Firsters are the root cause of the vast majority of Iraq’s problems. Anyone who’s American and disagrees is just as much a fool as those who blame black Americans for white crime.

    • Replies: @Deduction
    , @Jim
  52. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The history of Europe over the last 100+ years shows that when national borders align with ethnic borders then conflict decreases.

    The West probably shouldn’t have interfered in the mid-east at all but if lobbyists insist on paying our politicians to interfere then that interference should revolve around making borders align with ethnicity as a first step.

    • Agree: Deduction
  53. Deduction says:
    @geokat62

    Yeah, the only reason the Arabs are not like the Swiss is because the Israelis exist…

    And the only reason white people commit crimes is because of black people…

    I now understand where you’re coming from. The whiter the person is always to blame even when there are no white people around…that makes sense!!!!

    Question: does anyone have moral agency who is not white?

  54. @The Anti-Gnostic

    You don’t become a driver because you are good at it.
    You become a driver because you are no good at anything else either.

  55. Mitleser says:

    I hope the Sunni Arabs in Iraq will be dealt with soon.
    They can’t be trusted by other Arabs and Kurds in Iraq.
    La valise ou le cercueil.

  56. @AndrewR

    “… but the net human misery in Iraq may not have increased much since 2002.”

    Yes, I suppose it “may” not have. But in point of actual fact, it totally f*ing DID.

  57. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    Back in the day, the Western imperialists put Sunni minority in power over the Shia majority in Iraq and Alawite minority in power over the Sunni majority in Syria.

    Recently, the new Western elites have reversed tactics and supported the majority rebels against the minority elites in Syria and Iraq… while telling European white majorities that they must obey and defer to the Jewish/homo/immigrant minority elites of the West.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  58. Kiza says:
    @Priss Factor

    It appears that the Russians and the Chinese may be calling the Western bluff by sending a ground and air force to REALLY fight ISIS. The “International Community’s” days of pretend anti-ISIS action are over: arming ISIS and then tickling it with a few bombs and bombing misses, whilst waiting for ISIS to bring down the legal and elected government of Syria are behind us.

    I did not think Putin would do it and I am still not convinced that this is a wise action, but I must admit that he did pick the most opportune moment for this intervention: banking on this exact political ploy that brother Nathanael talks about – flooding of Europe with refugees.

    Let us see how (brother Nathanael’s) Jewmerica (meaning neocon controlled US) responds. If nothing else, in this masquerade the masks have fallen, the actors have been exposed as frauds, it is hard to imagine that Europe will be on board of any Israel-US-Saudi-Turkey counter-action in Syria. The “International” just fell away from the Community, exposing it now as a Jewish-Sunni Community of nutty extremists.

    It is now “Putin + Xi” versus “US Necons + Nutty Yahoo + Sleazy Erdogan + their head chopping Sunni terrorists”. Who will win?

  59. Kiza says:

    People who do not live in Europe are not aware of the desperation that everybody feels, from ordinary people to authorities, to stop the unbearable flood of refugees. Left-wing, right-wing Europeans everybody is swamped by refugees. Maybe the “International Community” has played this hand really badly.

    Imagine if Russia + China actually manage to bring ISIS in check and get the majority of refugees to return to their homes in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and other. That would be an epochal win which would pave way for the full Euro-Asian Community of Nations. Europe would turn to Eurasia instead of the “International Community”.

    Maybe this goal is worth the risk Putin and Xi are taking. This could be way beyond the importance of just Syria and Iraq.

    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
  60. Kiza says:

    My final post on this, to answer my own question – what will be the counter-action of the Neocon-Wahabi Community of nutty extremists (US+Israel+Turkey+Saudi).

    First, there will be “spontaneous” Muslim uprisings in XinJiang, in Chechnya/Dhagestan and in the Asian Stans.

    Second, the reaction in the Middle East will be muted and completely undercover, because they cannot afford to openly support ISIS. Turkey and Saudi will pour more ISIS “volunteers” into Syria.

    Thirdly, the crux of the Western regime MSM propaganda will be about Russia and China fighting on the same side as the Hezbollah “terrorists”. The Western cattle will be re-focused on this and away from ISIS. The regimes will recycle the old propaganda blarings, just substituting “ISIS” with “Hezbollah”.

    Finally, a direct confrontation between Neocon-Wahabi Community force and Russia-China force in Syria is possible, but let us hope it never comes. This could lead to a nuclear exchange.

    In short, sending a flood of refugees into Europe could prove to be one of the biggest strategic mistakes ever and stuff of future Putin legend (if this intervention succeeds).

  61. @Kiza

    Europe would turn to Eurasia instead of the “International Community”… Maybe this goal is worth the risk Putin and Xi are taking. This could be way beyond the importance of just Syria and Iraq.

    I suspect that’s what Putin and Xi are really after too. And I pray they succeed. If not, Europe is finished. (Sadly, I think the US is already beyond hope.)

    When Putin declined to invade Ukraine after the Ukies started shelling Donbass, I at first wondered why. Then I saw his diplomatic manoeuvers (Minsk I & II) and I realized that he was trying to turn the tables on Washington: where Washington had backed the coup in Kiev in order to drive a wedge between Europe and Russia, Putin was now attempting to use the situation to gradually drive a wedge between the US and Europe. To be sure, we’re not quite there yet. But in Germany (where I now live), a lot of people are really starting to get fed up with Washington–not only over Ukraine, but also over the NSA, TTIP, and the ‘Syrian refugees’. Some even speak darkly of the euro being sabotaged by the Fed to prop up the dollar. I suspect this frustration is not limited to Germany.

    On the downside, even if a lot of people here are PO’d at the US govt., many of them are still also swallowing the propaganda about ‘Putin the dictator’. We’ll see. But there is at least some small reason for optimism.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  62. Jim says:
    @Deduction

    Sure most of the Middle East is quite unstable even left alone. But US foreign policy in the Middle East has been akin to lighting a bonfire on a ship loaded with gunpowder.

  63. Jim says:
    @Deduction

    “Iraqis are the root cause of the vast majority of Iraq’s problems.”

    No such people as “Iraqis” have ever existed. Using words like “Iraqis” is like speaking of “Ruritanians” or of the “Abominable Snowman”. One cannot understand objective reality if one speaks in terms of fantastical non-existent supposed entities.

    • Replies: @Deduction
  64. Jim says:
    @geokat62

    No one blames black Americans for white crime. The incredible levels of violence in places like East Baltimore are due to blacks.

  65. Deduction says:
    @Jim

    No such people as “Iraqis” have ever existed. Using words like “Iraqis” is like speaking of “Ruritanians” or of the “Abominable Snowman”. One cannot understand objective reality if one speaks in terms of fantastical non-existent supposed entities.

    I don’t think we disagree. In fact I think that you are elaborating on my point. When I used the term ‘Iraqis’ I meant it as the people who live in Iraq and nothing more. I attached no greater value to the term.

    I understand that they have no common feeling and that Iraq as a country could never be free or egalitarian while being so diverse and divided.

    The more social solidarity or asabbiyah there is, the more free and egalitarian a country can be. If Iraq were 3 separate countries, each one of those could be quite pleasant. As one country their choice is the chaos of now or the iron fist of Saddam.

  66. Kiza says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    Thanks for adding to the discussion, I find your words contributing.

    But let me make another comment for those who watch a flood of refugees coming through SE Europe towards the Western Europe, but do not understand what is really going on. By the time that refugees reach Germany, they probably relax and are not desperate any more.

    But many families in SE Europe just wish to hide refugees from their children. The refugees are people who have had everything taken from them, many of who have lost family members, some where even middle class and now they have nothing and are nothing. They are the human beings brought to the state of utter despair, prepared to do anything to survive. This is why no police or military action or walls (Hungary’s border wall) can stop them. It is not really a “flood of refugees” it is a flood of the ultimate human misery and despair. I imagine that people in concentration camps would behave similar – survival at any cost, especially when trying to save their children. Except for machine-guns and bombs, nothing can stop this flood. Thus, the Europeans become as desperate as the refugees for a solution to stop this flood.

    This is something that the US who was probably involved in the decision to flood Europe with desperate refugees cannot understand – the utter shock of the Europeans that in the 21. century some people would be brought down to this subhuman/animal level, all for the advancement of the Zio-Wahabi dominatrix agenda. This is not TV pictures any more and, I believe, this reality is finally waking up the Europeans to the true cost of the Zio-Wahabi wars. The MSM are trying hard to utilize this horrific event for the advancement of the said agenda, but the Europeans are buying it less and less. They just want a solution. Could Russia and China deliver?

    • Replies: @Deduction
  67. Deduction says:
    @Kiza

    Nonsense. They are mostly opportunistic young men who see Europe as a fertile land and Europeans as dumb generous cattle to farm.

    None of them are refugees by the time they reach Germany or even Europe. A refugee is someone fleeing persecution in the country they are coming from and you can’t get directly from Syria to Europe, can you…

    ‘Finland is too boring for refugees’
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/

  68. Karl says:
    @bomag

    >>> Yet, all the studies show that the simple, non-industrial farming produces more energy then it >>> consumes, and produces surplus food sufficient to feed a region.

    > I suspect this is not quite the case.

    naah, no need to suspect what the pudding tastes like. you can just taste it.

    Bianca feeds herself out of a supermarket like everyone else here. So much for hippy rhetoric.

    PS: Most farm families do, also. For the same reason that holding a job in a silicon-chip factory doesn’t mean that you didn’t buy your computer from Walmart.

  69. This is a comment to this website only: Your software is terribly lacking and needs improvement. I worked hard on a comment I really wanted to make, took me about 20 minutes, but I used a name that was already taken and you told me to choose another name. Fair enough, but in that simple process my comment disappeared!!! That is unforgivable, you really need to do something about that. I don’t have the time to write it all over again. Frustrating. Thank you for letting me vent.

  70. Bianca says:
    @Beach

    This is a mantra established by our neocon-driven globalism, where all ststes that are sovereign are by definition bsd. We do not have ibformation to support your assertions. Keep in mind, all countries have a system that involves work, and there are many perspectives on the role of work in prisons, invluding learning skills, reslonsibilities and work discipline. While the system of incarceration is not to be trusted anywhere as it is prone to abuse, I accept the fact that there are people Who break laws, and get the punishment. In our own country se have the higher percentage of population un jail. Mostly due to perverse incentives of privatized jail systems. Other vountries have methods vastly different from ours, and many more human. Somew involve a regular home visits by incarcerated people, to keep family connections, return to prison and earn credits towards early release. Other systems allow the convicted person to have a one on one with the judge before sentencing. The person can talk about anything, their life, their crrime, or not accepting the conviction as they continue claiming innocence. This often influences the judge in sentencing. We need to learn, not be artogant. Out globalist ideologues are conditioning us to consider other people primitive and unworthy of Having a country. But remember — ask yourself a qustion. After we destroy states and institutions, who will be accountable to population? Humanity has raised itself from the primitive state and on the path of civilization by agreeing to norms of conduct, by accepting and sdvancing laws, by electing those that would insure that eithin their span of control — order snd safety will be maintained. You destroy institutions, and we will become easy pray to glibalised cartels, mafia, and criminals of all stripes.

    Before we condemn — let us learn and respect diversity, including our own.

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