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“It is becoming more obvious with each passing day that the men and the movement that broke Lyndon Johnson’s authority in 1968 are out to break Richard Nixon,” wrote David Broder on Oct. 8, 1969.

“The likelihood is great that they will succeed again.”

A columnist for The Washington Post, Broder was no fan of Nixon.

His prediction, however, proved wrong. Nixon, with his “Silent Majority” address rallied the nation and rocked the establishment. He went on to win a 49-state victory in 1972, after which his stumbles opened the door to the establishment’s revenge.

Yet, Broder’s analysis was spot on. And, today, another deep state conspiracy, to break another presidency, is underway.

Consider. To cut through the Russophobia rampant here, Trump decided to make a direct phone call to Vladimir Putin. And in that call, Trump, like Angela Merkel, congratulated Putin on his re-election victory.

Instantly, the briefing paper for the president’s call was leaked to the Post. In bold letters it read, “DO NOT CONGRATULATE.”

Whereupon, the Beltway went ballistic.

How could Trump congratulate Putin, whose election was a sham? Why did he not charge Putin with the Salisbury poisoning? Why did Trump not denounce Putin for interfering with “our democracy”?

Amazing. A disloyal White House staffer betrays his trust and leaks a confidential paper to sabotage the foreign policy of a duly elected president, and he is celebrated in this capital city.

If you wish to see the deep state at work, this is it: anti-Trump journalists using First Amendment immunities to collude with and cover up the identities of bureaucratic snakes out to damage or destroy a president they despise. No wonder democracy is a declining stock worldwide.

And, yes, they give out Pulitzers for criminal collusion like this.

The New York Times got a Pulitzer and the Post got a Hollywood movie starring Meryl Streep, for publishing stolen secret papers from the Pentagon of JFK and LBJ — to sabotage the Vietnam War policy of Richard Nixon.

Why? Because the hated Nixon was succeeding in extricating us with honor from a war that the presidents for whom the Times and Post hauled water could not win or end.

Not only have journalists given up any pretense of neutrality in this campaign to bring down the president, ex-national security officers of the highest rank are starting to sound like resisters.

Ex-CIA Director John Brennan openly speculated Tuesday that the president may have been compromised by Moscow and become an asset of the Kremlin.

“I think he’s afraid of the president of Russia,” Brennan said of Trump and Putin. “The Russians, I think, have had long experience with Mr. Trump and may have things they could expose.”

If Brennan has evidence Trump is compromised, he should relay it to Robert Mueller. If he does not, this is speculation of an especially ugly variety for someone once entrusted with America’s highest secrets.

What is going on in this city is an American version of the “color revolutions” we have employed to dump over governments in places like Georgia and Ukraine.

Goal: Break Trump’s presidency, remove him, discredit his election as contaminated by Kremlin collusion, upend the democratic verdict of 2016, and ash-can Trump’s agenda of populist conservatism. Then, return America to the open borders, free trade, democracy-crusading Bushite globalism beloved by our Beltway elites.

Trump, in a way, is the indispensable man of the populist right.

In the 2016 primaries, no other Republican candidate shared his determination to secure the border, bring back manufacturing or end the endless wars in the Middle East that have so bled and bankrupted our nation.

Whether the Assads rule in Damascus, the Chinese fortify Scarborough Shoal, or the Taliban return to Kabul are not existential threats.

But if the borders of our country are not secured, as Reagan warned, in a generation, America will not even be a country.

Trump seems now to recognize that the special counsel’s office of Robert Mueller, which this city sees as the instrument of its deliverance, is a mortal threat to his presidency.

Mueller’s team wishes to do to Trump what Archibald Cox’s team sought to do to Nixon: Drive him out of office or set him up for the kill by a Democratic Congress in 2019.

Trump appears to recognize that the struggle with Mueller is now a political struggle — to the death.

Hence Trump’s hiring of Joe diGenova and the departure of John Dowd from his legal team. In the elegant phrase of Michael Corleone, diGenova is a wartime consigliere.

He believes that Trump is the target of a conspiracy, where Jim Comey’s FBI put in the fix to prevent Hillary’s prosecution, and then fabricated a crime of collusion with Russia to take down the new president the American people had elected.

The Trump White House is behaving as if it were the prospective target of a coup d’etat. And it is not wrong to think so.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

Copyright 2018 Creators.com.

 
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  1. Realist says:

    Watching the crap slide of Western culture is not a pretty picture. The insouciance of the Western electorate toward their plight begot the current situation.
    Westerners have become shallow and stupid.

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    he insouciance of the Western electorate toward their plight
     
    High-trust Anglo-Saxons are trusting. That's one reason the Saxon is incredibly slow to anger and hate.
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  2. Realist says:

    Will the Deep State Break Trump?

    That obviously happened long ago.

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    I can understand how you would think that. But why then are they still determined to drive him from office?
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  3. ThereisaGod says: • Website

    The man who wanted “Peace with Russia” has appointed John Bolton. Trump IS broken. The NeoCon psychopaths OWN him. This looks like real disaster in the offing.

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  4. If Trump is so aware of the threat that the Deep State poses to his administration, why did he name John Bolton as National Security Advisor?

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    If Trump is so aware of the threat that the Deep State poses to his administration, why did he name John Bolton as National Security Advisor?
     
    Trump has now officially lost his marbles, if he ever had any.
    , @TheJester
    I'm grasping at straws. Perhaps Trump believes that if Bolton (an unapologetic, certifiable, neoconservative sociopath) works for him, Trump can control him ... and, at the extreme, if he can't control him, he can fire him. Trump does a lot of that these days.

    If that scenario is unrealistic, the Deep State is maintaining the Trump administration as a chimera of democracy as to not too overtly distress the conservative majority in this country that have been cuckolded and dismissed as a bunch of "redneck, God-fearing, patriotic deplorables".

    I'm coming to believe that this is true. Given the failure of his electoral agenda, Trump is now a figurehead ... nothing more. We are backsliding into civil war. Yet, we know from history and the personalities involved that, at this juncture, the Deep State will precipitate a really serious war somewhere as a manic distraction from reality: support the war (regardless of who, whom, and where) or you are guilty of treason.

    My guess is that war will be a Ukranian attack against the Russian-supported rebels. Ukraine cannot win. It will be wholesale slaughter when the Russians intervene. That will be a clarion call for the West to intervene in support of the Ukranazis against the so-called "Russonazis". (Nazis are again so in vogue these days ... and I know this doesn't make sense.) Unkanazis will die instead of American-boots-on-the-ground. Who cares? John Bolton? "Kill two birds with one stone", as the saying goes.

    However, all is not lost. The recent actions by the (((globalist))) Deep State show a sense of desperation. The United States is rebelling and sliding toward civil war and the EU is not far behind. The civil wars will decide the issue ... albeit it is probably too late for Great Britain and Sweden. They have already ceased to exist as national entities with scant hope of recovery.

    The obituaries for Great Britain and Sweden: "Allahu Akbar! Allah is Great for such an easy victory over the Crusaders. They committed suicide. How much easier can it get? A-l-l-a-h-u A-k-b-a-r!"

    , @anon

    Conversely, Bolton — a former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations during the George W. Bush administration — has cast doubt on the evidence linking Russia to the Democratic National Committee hack, suggesting that the Obama administration was blaming the Kremlin for political purposes.

     

    He was stuck with a Neo con as a condition of remaining in power. McMaster wants to argue that we should have defeated Vietnam. Trump was on his way out before he appointed the generals.
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  5. Randal says:

    All true, no doubt, but:

    Then, return America to the open borders, free trade, democracy-crusading Bushite globalism beloved by our Beltway elites.

    With Pompeo and Bonkers Bolton on board at the very highest level, how far is the Trump regime from that state already, in any case? At least as far as the democracy-crusading Bushite globalism that Trump gained votes by ridiculing in his election campaign is concerned.

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  6. The Deep State and Neocons have stood behind Trump since 20 January 2017 with daggers to his kidneys to keep him in check. He has made a few noises, but for the most part has continued to delivere on the Deep State and Neocon agendas (They are not the same in all cases). Trump could blow them out of the water with a few surprise strategic declassifications, e.g. all the matters of what really happened in Ukraine and perhaps another dozen other recent events, but he knows he would quickly get the Kennedy treatment.

    It’s not the Russians who own Trump.

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    Trump ought to send his son, Baron, at least, to Moscow for the duration.

    He'd get a topnotch education, become a citizen of the world capable of leading the next generation, and would be as safe as Snowden.

    Would anyone assassinate Melania? Would it destroy Trump? How about assassination of one of Trump's daughters -- what impact would that have on Trump?

    nb Bolton at national security means Michael Ledeen whispers in the president's ear --
    reprise of Brandeis ---> Wilson and Frankfurter + Morgenthau ---> FDR. If ever there was a need for an assassination squad . . .


    btw, re "the men and the movement that broke Lyndon Johnson’s authority in 1968" --- who were they? I thought LBJ was pretty firmly in the zionist pocket, USS Liberty being the major piece of evidence.

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  7. KenH says:

    It seems like Trump is colluding with the Democrats to break his own presidency what with his support for a DACA amnesty far higher than anything proposed by Hussein Obama, failure to secure Congressional funding for a wall after billing himself as the most skilled negotiator in American history, support for additional gun control legislation and now the appointment of a fire breathing war monger, Israel firster and neocon named John Bolton who’s sure to get us into another middle east war.

    It seems Trump doesn’t need any of the deep state’s as he’s doing a might fine job of alienating his own supporters all by himself.

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  8. All this nonsense about Trump making waves by calling Putin is just political theater; a Punch-and-Judy show. It’s propaganda designed to fool those who people who desperately want to be fooled.

    While everyone is distracted by Trump’s “heroic” congratulatory call to Putin, Trump and his handlers
    plot the next provocations against Russia, Syria, Iran, etc.

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  9. “…the hated Nixon was succeeding in extricating us with honor…”

    Here’s an example of Richard Milhaus Nixon, Honorable Gentleman:

    “Rioting [pro-war] construction workers also attacked buildings near city hall, most were of Irish Catholic extraction and some ripped the Red Cross and Episcopal Church flags down from a flagpole at nearby Trinity Church. One group invaded two nearby Pace University buildings, smashing lobby windows with clubs and crowbars and beating up students. More than 70 people were injured, including four policemen. Most of the injured required hospital treatment. Six people were arrested.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard/Hat/Riot

    Nixon never condemned the rioters. On May 26, Nixon met with a group of 22 labor leaders at the White House, where he was presented with a trophy hard hat.

    Cheer on, Fanboy.

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    Pat loses credibility with assertions such as "Nixon was succeeding in extricating us with honor..."
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  11. Stick says:

    Trump will sign the 6 month Omnibus Bill. This buys time and allows Washington to return home to run for reelection. In two weeks comes the OIG Report. Then it is kickoff time with at least one Special Counsel (maybe two) appointed to investigate (1) DOJ/FBI FISA Abuse and (2) Uranium One and the Clinton Global Initiative. At that point Mueller has to decide whether he wishes to remain a DC player with a “reputation for integrity’ or become the Kamikazee that his puppet masters want. Bottom line, Trump heads off any Impeachment with his Insurance Policy should the Dems take the House and secondly, the shredding of the Deep State and its enablers is underway with no way to stop it. If Mueller bows out now, this can be avoided, but methinks there is blood in the water and a feeding frenzy is about to commence. The difference this time is the Deep State and Dem Party are what’s for dinner.

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  12. @The Alarmist
    The Deep State and Neocons have stood behind Trump since 20 January 2017 with daggers to his kidneys to keep him in check. He has made a few noises, but for the most part has continued to delivere on the Deep State and Neocon agendas (They are not the same in all cases). Trump could blow them out of the water with a few surprise strategic declassifications, e.g. all the matters of what really happened in Ukraine and perhaps another dozen other recent events, but he knows he would quickly get the Kennedy treatment.

    It's not the Russians who own Trump.

    Trump ought to send his son, Baron, at least, to Moscow for the duration.

    He’d get a topnotch education, become a citizen of the world capable of leading the next generation, and would be as safe as Snowden.

    Would anyone assassinate Melania? Would it destroy Trump? How about assassination of one of Trump’s daughters — what impact would that have on Trump?

    nb Bolton at national security means Michael Ledeen whispers in the president’s ear —
    reprise of Brandeis —> Wilson and Frankfurter + Morgenthau —> FDR. If ever there was a need for an assassination squad . . .

    btw, re “the men and the movement that broke Lyndon Johnson’s authority in 1968″ — who were they? I thought LBJ was pretty firmly in the zionist pocket, USS Liberty being the major piece of evidence.

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    They own him, that s for sure already. But i don t know whether the Us midwesterners will peacefully accept the kill ceremony or not.
    But he ´s not to blame for any of the flwg disasters:
    1-the growing progressive mistrust over the US in Europe and Middle east.
    2- the defeat of flopped-US policy and agenda in Syria
    3-Irresistible deterioration of Ukraine and US 2014 plot there
    4-The already 10 year long Russian development of decisive quality weapons they now have at hand.
    5-The winning Chinese strategy in both south china sea and the OBOR initiative
    6-The destruction or simple export of people s jobs
    7- the patent national infractruture crumbling all over the the country.
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  13. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course when “Russian hackers” leak something it’s evil incarnate.
    It’s sad but the other commenters have a very good point re

    The man who wanted “Peace with Russia” has appointed John Bolton. Trump IS broken. The NeoCon psychopaths OWN him. This looks like real disaster in the offing.

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  14. @Diversity Heretic
    If Trump is so aware of the threat that the Deep State poses to his administration, why did he name John Bolton as National Security Advisor?

    If Trump is so aware of the threat that the Deep State poses to his administration, why did he name John Bolton as National Security Advisor?

    Trump has now officially lost his marbles, if he ever had any.

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  15. Adrian E. says:

    The relentless attacks of parts of the neoconservative establishment on Donald Trump, who now surrounds himself with some of the most extreme neoconservatives, might at first sight seem a bit strange.

    But I think their strategy makes sense. The neoconservatives (with different nuances, “liberal interventionists” can hardly be distinguished clearly from mainstream right-wing neoconservatives, most of their political positions are the same, only the rhethoric differs somewhat) have had strong influence over both major US parties for a long time. However, their grip on the Republican party and its base is probably still stronger, while a significant part of the electoral base of the Democratic party that is sceptical of their war agenda (also a part of the Republican base, mainly libertarians, but that part used to be weaker). An important reason for Obama’s victory in the primaries and the general election in 2008 had been his opposition to the Iraq war. Of course, after being elected, he went along with the neoconservatives, appointed people like Hillary Clinton and supported the aggression that plunged Libya into chaos, the coup in Ukraine (with Biden’s son profiting personally) and terrorist Sunni Jihadists who tried to overthrow the secular government in Syria. So, Obama was not really a problem for neoconservatives, but they were well aware that Obama’s election had to do with significant opposition to the neoconservative agenda among the Democratic base. This left-wing base was mostly silent when Obama continued and extended G.W.Bush’s wars, but it could be assumed that it still did not like the neoconservatives and some people might protest when the expansion of regime change wars and the surveillance state would go too far.

    So, the appearance of Donald Trump on the political scene was ideal for the neoconservatives. In some ways, he is similar to Obama – verbally, he criticizes some parts of the neoconservative agenda, but in practice, he goes along with it. His latest appointments may show that his readiness to go along with the neoconservative agenda may even be greater than Obama’s who sometimes attempted to moderate them a bit. The neoconservatives are probably well aware that their war and surveillance agenda does not have too much popular support. Even though they have enough influence in the media in order to get support for most of their concrete goals by turning up the propaganda, on the whole, their agenda is not too popular, and therefore, they are probably aware that often the best they can get is politicians like Obama and Trump who ostensibly criticize parts of the neoconservative agenda, but then go along with it, anyway.

    Probably, most neoconservatives would have preferred Hillary Clinton who even verbally was more or less fully behind the neconservative regime change agenda (in some cases, like Syria and her ongoing justifications of the aggression against Libya, in a more extreme way, in the case of Iran, where she herself in the past also had extremely hawkish positions, she moderated herself a bit because she wanted to present her candidacy as a continuation of Obama’s presidency), but at the same time, they are probably aware that Donald Trump is probably even better for them than Hillary Clinton would have been. Like Obama, Trump sometimes offers some token resistance to some parts of the neoconservative agenda, but still basically does what the neoconservatives want. The few forces on the right that are genuinely opposed to the neoconservatives are hardly influential enough for worrying them. But with Trump as the boogeyman, they have received the ideal opportunity for doing away with most of the left-wing opposition to the neoconservative agenda. They have been very successful in making most progressives believe that the most progressive thing to do now is to stand up for increasing the power of the NSA, CIA, and FBI, that the worst thing about Donald Trump is that he does not stoke up international tensions and the new cold war enough, that supporting Jihadists who shell Damascus is obligatory for every humanitarian-minded liberal, and that everyone who criticizes the abuses of power by the US secret services is a traitor and “Putin stooge”.

    The election of Trump has probably strengthened to some degree independent forces on the right that are, in contrast to Trump himself, genuinely opposed to the neoconservative and neoliberal agenda. But I think the neoconservative establishment hardly cares about this too much, these forces seem to be relatively easy to marginalize (as far-right “conspiracy theorists”), and they do not have much access to establishment circles. Probably, the opposition to the neoconservative agenda from the left had been more worrying for them, and therefore, they must be very glad that with their weird conspiracy theories about Trump-Russia collusion, they have succeeded in making most of what used to be the left even more extreme supporters of militarism, cold war rhethoric, and the surveillance states than most Republicans and in making most Democrats believe that supporting increasing political influence of US security services and neoconservative think tanks is the best way to “resist Trump”.

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  16. Randal says:

    There is one good aspect to the reintroduction of Bolton to the US regime. If and when Trump does go full moron and break the Iran agreement, the European poodle states will face a decision as to whether and to what extent to cooperate with the US, or to reject its destructive behaviour more or less openly.

    Having that familiar moustache, constantly lying mouth, and pair of deranged zealot’s eyes right there in Washington as part of the US regime will make it much harder for them to pretend to themselves that the US policy is anything other than idiocy, and will be an ever present and direct reminder of the disastrous Iraq War.

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    break the Iran agreement, the European poodle states will face a decision as to whether and to what extent to cooperate with the US, or to reject its destructive behaviour more or less openly.
     
    well Randal, I would say that depends entirely on whether or not those nations are controlled by a Rothschild central bank.

    if so, then I wouldn't hold out too much hope for them to say an honest word or refuse any of Rothschild's Zionist supremacist demands..

    British Prime Minister Theresa May...

    ... we also share the U.S. concerns about Iran’s destabilizing activity in the Middle East, and we stand ready to take further appropriate measures to tackle these issues,” May told reporters.
     
    https://en.radiofarda.com/a/theresa-may-merkel-jcpoa-iran/29045179.html

    Merkel told Parliament on Thursday: "The regime is not fighting against terrorists, but against its own people, killing children, destroying hospitals, and this is a massacre to be condemned."

    Besides President Bashar Assad, himself, Merkel says "Iran and Russia have a particular responsibility," as they are both supporting the government forces.

     

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/angela-merkel-calls-on-iran-russia-to-end-syria-violence/articleshow/63028529.cms

    Macron WARNS Iran:
     
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/919382/Emmanuel-Macron-Iran-Nuclear-Deal-Donald-Trump-President-France-US-Paris-Agreement
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  17. Sean says:

    There will be a quid pro quo. Trump will destroy Iran, thereby detatching US Jewry from the pro-immigration (anti-trump) lobby, and then seal the deal by doing the same to the borders. The deep state will be helpless.

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    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    I don't know what medication you're on, but you must get off it before you comment again. You have no grasp of reality
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  18. Rurik says:
    @Randal
    There is one good aspect to the reintroduction of Bolton to the US regime. If and when Trump does go full moron and break the Iran agreement, the European poodle states will face a decision as to whether and to what extent to cooperate with the US, or to reject its destructive behaviour more or less openly.

    Having that familiar moustache, constantly lying mouth, and pair of deranged zealot's eyes right there in Washington as part of the US regime will make it much harder for them to pretend to themselves that the US policy is anything other than idiocy, and will be an ever present and direct reminder of the disastrous Iraq War.

    break the Iran agreement, the European poodle states will face a decision as to whether and to what extent to cooperate with the US, or to reject its destructive behaviour more or less openly.

    well Randal, I would say that depends entirely on whether or not those nations are controlled by a Rothschild central bank.

    if so, then I wouldn’t hold out too much hope for them to say an honest word or refuse any of Rothschild’s Zionist supremacist demands..

    British Prime Minister Theresa May…

    … we also share the U.S. concerns about Iran’s destabilizing activity in the Middle East, and we stand ready to take further appropriate measures to tackle these issues,” May told reporters.

    https://en.radiofarda.com/a/theresa-may-merkel-jcpoa-iran/29045179.html

    Merkel told Parliament on Thursday: “The regime is not fighting against terrorists, but against its own people, killing children, destroying hospitals, and this is a massacre to be condemned.”

    Besides President Bashar Assad, himself, Merkel says “Iran and Russia have a particular responsibility,” as they are both supporting the government forces.

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/angela-merkel-calls-on-iran-russia-to-end-syria-violence/articleshow/63028529.cms

    Macron WARNS Iran:

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/919382/Emmanuel-Macron-Iran-Nuclear-Deal-Donald-Trump-President-France-US-Paris-Agreement

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    Well I didn't refer to them as US poodle states for nothing.

    Then again even the most subservient curs occasionally rebel, as the French and Germans did over Iraq in 2003.
    , @Sean
    Destroying Iran as a deterrent to Israel's expulsion of the West Bank Arabs will be good for Trump because Iran is friendly with Russia. So Trump can prove he is not in the Russians pocket and get US Jewry on his side, thereby giving him the momentum he will need for the great work of ending mass immigration.
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  19. @Realist

    Will the Deep State Break Trump?
     
    That obviously happened long ago.

    I can understand how you would think that. But why then are they still determined to drive him from office?

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    Because Pense is even more Deep State.
    , @Harold Smith
    "...But why then are they still determined to drive him from office?"

    How do know that "they" are "determined to drive him from office"?
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  20. Randal says:
    @Rurik

    break the Iran agreement, the European poodle states will face a decision as to whether and to what extent to cooperate with the US, or to reject its destructive behaviour more or less openly.
     
    well Randal, I would say that depends entirely on whether or not those nations are controlled by a Rothschild central bank.

    if so, then I wouldn't hold out too much hope for them to say an honest word or refuse any of Rothschild's Zionist supremacist demands..

    British Prime Minister Theresa May...

    ... we also share the U.S. concerns about Iran’s destabilizing activity in the Middle East, and we stand ready to take further appropriate measures to tackle these issues,” May told reporters.
     
    https://en.radiofarda.com/a/theresa-may-merkel-jcpoa-iran/29045179.html

    Merkel told Parliament on Thursday: "The regime is not fighting against terrorists, but against its own people, killing children, destroying hospitals, and this is a massacre to be condemned."

    Besides President Bashar Assad, himself, Merkel says "Iran and Russia have a particular responsibility," as they are both supporting the government forces.

     

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/angela-merkel-calls-on-iran-russia-to-end-syria-violence/articleshow/63028529.cms

    Macron WARNS Iran:
     
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/919382/Emmanuel-Macron-Iran-Nuclear-Deal-Donald-Trump-President-France-US-Paris-Agreement

    Well I didn’t refer to them as US poodle states for nothing.

    Then again even the most subservient curs occasionally rebel, as the French and Germans did over Iraq in 2003.

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  21. Sean says:
    @Rurik

    break the Iran agreement, the European poodle states will face a decision as to whether and to what extent to cooperate with the US, or to reject its destructive behaviour more or less openly.
     
    well Randal, I would say that depends entirely on whether or not those nations are controlled by a Rothschild central bank.

    if so, then I wouldn't hold out too much hope for them to say an honest word or refuse any of Rothschild's Zionist supremacist demands..

    British Prime Minister Theresa May...

    ... we also share the U.S. concerns about Iran’s destabilizing activity in the Middle East, and we stand ready to take further appropriate measures to tackle these issues,” May told reporters.
     
    https://en.radiofarda.com/a/theresa-may-merkel-jcpoa-iran/29045179.html

    Merkel told Parliament on Thursday: "The regime is not fighting against terrorists, but against its own people, killing children, destroying hospitals, and this is a massacre to be condemned."

    Besides President Bashar Assad, himself, Merkel says "Iran and Russia have a particular responsibility," as they are both supporting the government forces.

     

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/angela-merkel-calls-on-iran-russia-to-end-syria-violence/articleshow/63028529.cms

    Macron WARNS Iran:
     
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/919382/Emmanuel-Macron-Iran-Nuclear-Deal-Donald-Trump-President-France-US-Paris-Agreement

    Destroying Iran as a deterrent to Israel’s expulsion of the West Bank Arabs will be good for Trump because Iran is friendly with Russia. So Trump can prove he is not in the Russians pocket and get US Jewry on his side, thereby giving him the momentum he will need for the great work of ending mass immigration.

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    Destroying Iran ... ... will be good for Trump..

    ..So Trump can prove he is not in the Russians pocket
     

    how about if Trump and Putin get together with the rest of the sane and moral world and destroy the one malignant and festering rat hole of human iniquity and moral depravity, out of which most of the other strife on the planet is emanating out from?

    Wouldn't that be better?

    we could tell them that they have 48 hours to fill a passenger jet (or five) with every person responsible for the USS Liberty attack and the attack on 9/11, or the place gets glassed. (With careful surgical strikes of course, we wouldn't want to harm any Palestinians).

    just think, the wars in the Middle East would fall apart, as the corrupt House of Saud loses its best buddy. Ukraine and Russia would patch up their differences as quickly as the zio-bitch Nuland created them.

    Putin is already making conciliatory gestures to Europe and Germany in particular.

    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=58137

    a fine and noble move that is sure to lower the hostility between Russia and her neighbors. Pure statecraft if you ask me.

    So Trump and Putin (and all the rest of the world) could get together and tell the Zio-scum that they're not in control of the Fed anymore.. That the US will print its own currency, tied to gold and silver, and that the banksters and their zio-experiment to enslave the world, are through.

    What do you think Sean? Good idea?

    , @22pp22
    American Jewry will never be on his side.
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  22. Realist says:
    @WorkingClass
    I can understand how you would think that. But why then are they still determined to drive him from office?

    Because Pense is even more Deep State.

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  23. Trump’s presidency just ended. He’ll be impeached by January I’m guessing. Probably the best thing supporters of the agenda that got him elected can do is start selecting geographic / poltical strongholds and reinforcing them, looking ahead to secession. The template and precedent for defying federal authority is being established right now in the service of preventing the policies of a duly elected administration. Not that the hypocracy of the neo-marxists that are going to follow the failed Trump presidency will prevent them from ignoring those precedents they themselves established but still they exist and serve as a model and justification.

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  24. Wildcat says:

    At the seat of the empire, its always all about power and who can grab it. The courtiers are always trying to grab more power for themselves and keep it away from competitors. What’s good for the empire is of secondary importance, if even that. This is a part of why all empires fall.

    The Deep State knows it has power and wants to hang onto it. They will fight to do so. They will fight any challenger just to avoid future challenges.

    That said, when Trump launched the missile strike on the Syrian airfield, the whole Deep State stood up and aplauded and talked about how “Presidential” Trumps suddenly seemed.

    The Democrats have tried to rally their base and to avoid talking about the deep internal problems in their party by being anti-Trump on everything. Except, what the Democrats have really wanted, what Hillary campaigned on, was first a war in Syria and eventually a nuclear war with Russia. The slogan for the Democrats for the last year and a half has been ‘We Want Nuclear War and We Want It Now!”. The Democrats are so hungry for a worldwide nuclear holocaust that they’ll even put aside their resistence to Trump to get it.

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    " The Democrats are so hungry for" : As bizarre as it sounds they, the insane Democrats, are so hungy for VP to finally change his standpoint regarding gays, that they are willing to start ww3 so as to further this goal.
    And I reall doubt whether the majority of gays would back this action.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained uS Army vet, and pro jazz musician.
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  25. Rurik says:
    @Sean
    Destroying Iran as a deterrent to Israel's expulsion of the West Bank Arabs will be good for Trump because Iran is friendly with Russia. So Trump can prove he is not in the Russians pocket and get US Jewry on his side, thereby giving him the momentum he will need for the great work of ending mass immigration.

    Destroying Iran … … will be good for Trump..

    ..So Trump can prove he is not in the Russians pocket

    how about if Trump and Putin get together with the rest of the sane and moral world and destroy the one malignant and festering rat hole of human iniquity and moral depravity, out of which most of the other strife on the planet is emanating out from?

    Wouldn’t that be better?

    we could tell them that they have 48 hours to fill a passenger jet (or five) with every person responsible for the USS Liberty attack and the attack on 9/11, or the place gets glassed. (With careful surgical strikes of course, we wouldn’t want to harm any Palestinians).

    just think, the wars in the Middle East would fall apart, as the corrupt House of Saud loses its best buddy. Ukraine and Russia would patch up their differences as quickly as the zio-bitch Nuland created them.

    Putin is already making conciliatory gestures to Europe and Germany in particular.

    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=58137

    a fine and noble move that is sure to lower the hostility between Russia and her neighbors. Pure statecraft if you ask me.

    So Trump and Putin (and all the rest of the world) could get together and tell the Zio-scum that they’re not in control of the Fed anymore.. That the US will print its own currency, tied to gold and silver, and that the banksters and their zio-experiment to enslave the world, are through.

    What do you think Sean? Good idea?

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    Ukraine and Russia were never friends in the past, I would not expect it in the future. Likewise the US and Russia are natural potential enemies that could only be friends if they were to ally against a mega-power, such as China will become rather soon. Countries came into being because of war, and when the potential for war disappears the countries will have no reason to exist. Rely on it, you will have a long wait.
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  26. augusto says: • Website
    @SolontoCroesus
    Trump ought to send his son, Baron, at least, to Moscow for the duration.

    He'd get a topnotch education, become a citizen of the world capable of leading the next generation, and would be as safe as Snowden.

    Would anyone assassinate Melania? Would it destroy Trump? How about assassination of one of Trump's daughters -- what impact would that have on Trump?

    nb Bolton at national security means Michael Ledeen whispers in the president's ear --
    reprise of Brandeis ---> Wilson and Frankfurter + Morgenthau ---> FDR. If ever there was a need for an assassination squad . . .


    btw, re "the men and the movement that broke Lyndon Johnson’s authority in 1968" --- who were they? I thought LBJ was pretty firmly in the zionist pocket, USS Liberty being the major piece of evidence.

    They own him, that s for sure already. But i don t know whether the Us midwesterners will peacefully accept the kill ceremony or not.
    But he ´s not to blame for any of the flwg disasters:
    1-the growing progressive mistrust over the US in Europe and Middle east.
    2- the defeat of flopped-US policy and agenda in Syria
    3-Irresistible deterioration of Ukraine and US 2014 plot there
    4-The already 10 year long Russian development of decisive quality weapons they now have at hand.
    5-The winning Chinese strategy in both south china sea and the OBOR initiative
    6-The destruction or simple export of people s jobs
    7- the patent national infractruture crumbling all over the the country.

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  27. @WorkingClass
    I can understand how you would think that. But why then are they still determined to drive him from office?

    “…But why then are they still determined to drive him from office?”

    How do know that “they” are “determined to drive him from office”?

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  28. 22pp22 says:
    @Sean
    Destroying Iran as a deterrent to Israel's expulsion of the West Bank Arabs will be good for Trump because Iran is friendly with Russia. So Trump can prove he is not in the Russians pocket and get US Jewry on his side, thereby giving him the momentum he will need for the great work of ending mass immigration.

    American Jewry will never be on his side.

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    True, but they can be stopped from regarding him as an enemy. Organised US Jewry defer to Israel.
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  29. It is over. Trump is bullshit and we do not have a country.

    There is going to be a generation of disgruntled Americans checking out, fading away and quietly dying. This is the end of America.

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    To use an overused metaphor -- we are the frog being slowly boiled. I want to resist the fatalism that people are susceptible to as they grow older and look back nostalgically on a past that will never return, but I fear you are correct. Bond rating downgraded (that one really got me), 20+ trillion national debt, formerly great cities in ruin, complete idiocy in the media, universities, government...I'm glad I lived when I did, so I got to experience America when it indeed was great. I don't see it ever being great again. We've allowed too many unassimilable people into the country, legally and illegally, and have mis-educated the native born so that everything now revolves around the lowest common denominator.
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  30. TTSSYF says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    It is over. Trump is bullshit and we do not have a country.

    There is going to be a generation of disgruntled Americans checking out, fading away and quietly dying. This is the end of America.

    To use an overused metaphor — we are the frog being slowly boiled. I want to resist the fatalism that people are susceptible to as they grow older and look back nostalgically on a past that will never return, but I fear you are correct. Bond rating downgraded (that one really got me), 20+ trillion national debt, formerly great cities in ruin, complete idiocy in the media, universities, government…I’m glad I lived when I did, so I got to experience America when it indeed was great. I don’t see it ever being great again. We’ve allowed too many unassimilable people into the country, legally and illegally, and have mis-educated the native born so that everything now revolves around the lowest common denominator.

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  31. El Vato says:

    As a person who has long ago lost trust in both parties (Republican/Democrat), I say let Mueller finish his investigation, then let’s analyze his discoveries (perhaps just another stained blue dress). If it brings down the Trump Presidency then obviously Trump did have the power he thought he had, be it his followers, Republican party, or the country. If it does not bring down his Presidency, then we can be done with it and he can continue with his Presidency without further interference from Mueller. However, I do believe that most politicians are, or should be, very afraid that truths of their ascension into political power be made public. Plausible deniability and loyal followers are their life blood to survival. We have become a nation that doesn’t care how dirty our politicians have become. Just don’t get caught or make it very obvious. Have an out that can be sold to the public. Even a madman like Hitler knew that the greater masses of people will believe a greater lie than a small one.

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    '...I say let Mueller finish his investigation...'
     
    Your comment has to rank as one of the most asinine imaginable...

    From what tiny, malformed brain oblivious to reality could such a pseudo-thought be formed...?

    That is the question here...

    The answer...this comes from a purely biological rarity...ie the freak show exhibitwith unusual disability...

    Mueller is a notorious deep state criminal...who, under any normal circumstances would be serving a lengthy prison sentence...

    The 'investigation' does not even qualify as a circus act...

    End of story...

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  32. TheJester says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    If Trump is so aware of the threat that the Deep State poses to his administration, why did he name John Bolton as National Security Advisor?

    I’m grasping at straws. Perhaps Trump believes that if Bolton (an unapologetic, certifiable, neoconservative sociopath) works for him, Trump can control him … and, at the extreme, if he can’t control him, he can fire him. Trump does a lot of that these days.

    If that scenario is unrealistic, the Deep State is maintaining the Trump administration as a chimera of democracy as to not too overtly distress the conservative majority in this country that have been cuckolded and dismissed as a bunch of “redneck, God-fearing, patriotic deplorables”.

    I’m coming to believe that this is true. Given the failure of his electoral agenda, Trump is now a figurehead … nothing more. We are backsliding into civil war. Yet, we know from history and the personalities involved that, at this juncture, the Deep State will precipitate a really serious war somewhere as a manic distraction from reality: support the war (regardless of who, whom, and where) or you are guilty of treason.

    My guess is that war will be a Ukranian attack against the Russian-supported rebels. Ukraine cannot win. It will be wholesale slaughter when the Russians intervene. That will be a clarion call for the West to intervene in support of the Ukranazis against the so-called “Russonazis”. (Nazis are again so in vogue these days … and I know this doesn’t make sense.) Unkanazis will die instead of American-boots-on-the-ground. Who cares? John Bolton? “Kill two birds with one stone”, as the saying goes.

    However, all is not lost. The recent actions by the (((globalist))) Deep State show a sense of desperation. The United States is rebelling and sliding toward civil war and the EU is not far behind. The civil wars will decide the issue … albeit it is probably too late for Great Britain and Sweden. They have already ceased to exist as national entities with scant hope of recovery.

    The obituaries for Great Britain and Sweden: “Allahu Akbar! Allah is Great for such an easy victory over the Crusaders. They committed suicide. How much easier can it get? A-l-l-a-h-u A-k-b-a-r!

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    it is probably too late for Great Britain and Sweden. They have already ceased to exist as national entities with scant hope of recovery.
     
    As long as White men and women exist in a country, there is hope for recovery.

    Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times. Hard times create strong men.
    , @Thorfinnsson


    albeit it is probably too late for Great Britain and Sweden. They have already ceased to exist as national entities with scant hope of recovery.

    The obituaries for Great Britain and Sweden: “Allahu Akbar! Allah is Great for such an easy victory over the Crusaders. They committed suicide. How much easier can it get? A-l-l-a-h-u A-k-b-a-r!“
     
    The United Kingdom remains 88% white. This is changing quickly, but the situation is a lot better than 62% white America (and only about 50% for children).

    Sweden doesn't gather such data, but of a total population of ten million 7.7 million are ethnic Swedes. And the largest immigrant group is still Finns.

    America by far has the most dangerous demographics of any Western country, and you can't find a single other Western country where a major political party and much of the elite class no longer believes in any borders at all.
    , @dfordoom

    The recent actions by the (((globalist))) Deep State show a sense of desperation.
     
    Looks to me more like supreme self-confidence. There's no longer any need for them to be cautious. Now is the time to push for final victory.

    The United States is rebelling and sliding toward civil war
     
    Pure wishful thinking. Liberal democracy, mass media and capitalism have made westerners fat, lazy, stupid and apathetic.
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  33. Sean says:
    @22pp22
    American Jewry will never be on his side.

    True, but they can be stopped from regarding him as an enemy. Organised US Jewry defer to Israel.

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  34. Sean says:
    @Rurik

    Destroying Iran ... ... will be good for Trump..

    ..So Trump can prove he is not in the Russians pocket
     

    how about if Trump and Putin get together with the rest of the sane and moral world and destroy the one malignant and festering rat hole of human iniquity and moral depravity, out of which most of the other strife on the planet is emanating out from?

    Wouldn't that be better?

    we could tell them that they have 48 hours to fill a passenger jet (or five) with every person responsible for the USS Liberty attack and the attack on 9/11, or the place gets glassed. (With careful surgical strikes of course, we wouldn't want to harm any Palestinians).

    just think, the wars in the Middle East would fall apart, as the corrupt House of Saud loses its best buddy. Ukraine and Russia would patch up their differences as quickly as the zio-bitch Nuland created them.

    Putin is already making conciliatory gestures to Europe and Germany in particular.

    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=58137

    a fine and noble move that is sure to lower the hostility between Russia and her neighbors. Pure statecraft if you ask me.

    So Trump and Putin (and all the rest of the world) could get together and tell the Zio-scum that they're not in control of the Fed anymore.. That the US will print its own currency, tied to gold and silver, and that the banksters and their zio-experiment to enslave the world, are through.

    What do you think Sean? Good idea?

    Ukraine and Russia were never friends in the past, I would not expect it in the future. Likewise the US and Russia are natural potential enemies that could only be friends if they were to ally against a mega-power, such as China will become rather soon. Countries came into being because of war, and when the potential for war disappears the countries will have no reason to exist. Rely on it, you will have a long wait.

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  35. All of this madness and derangement, and the apparent demise of the nation, simply because of the irrational fear of BC, HC, and GS.
    As if these assholes are some kind of invulnerable Gods : Bullshit they, these marxist scumbags, are riding upon the illusion held by the non-leftist political class of their (phoney) invincible state.
    The few decent guys in DC are terrified of the vision of cities burning, if they were to finally go after these dissolute turds.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained uS army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  36. @Wildcat
    At the seat of the empire, its always all about power and who can grab it. The courtiers are always trying to grab more power for themselves and keep it away from competitors. What's good for the empire is of secondary importance, if even that. This is a part of why all empires fall.

    The Deep State knows it has power and wants to hang onto it. They will fight to do so. They will fight any challenger just to avoid future challenges.

    That said, when Trump launched the missile strike on the Syrian airfield, the whole Deep State stood up and aplauded and talked about how "Presidential" Trumps suddenly seemed.

    The Democrats have tried to rally their base and to avoid talking about the deep internal problems in their party by being anti-Trump on everything. Except, what the Democrats have really wanted, what Hillary campaigned on, was first a war in Syria and eventually a nuclear war with Russia. The slogan for the Democrats for the last year and a half has been 'We Want Nuclear War and We Want It Now!". The Democrats are so hungry for a worldwide nuclear holocaust that they'll even put aside their resistence to Trump to get it.

    ” The Democrats are so hungry for” : As bizarre as it sounds they, the insane Democrats, are so hungy for VP to finally change his standpoint regarding gays, that they are willing to start ww3 so as to further this goal.
    And I reall doubt whether the majority of gays would back this action.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained uS Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

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    As bizarre as it sounds they, the insane Democrats, are so hungy for VP to finally change his standpoint regarding gays, that they are willing to start ww3 so as to further this goal.
    And I reall doubt whether the majority of gays would back this action.
     
    You have to remember that Americans think war is a game, or it's entertainment. War is just like a movie or a game except with better visuals. They just assume that all future wars will be like Desert Storm - more of a triumphal procession than a real fight. They assume that American casualties will be minimal. There might be millions of dead on the other side but they're non-Americans and they don't count.

    It's a long time since the U.S. fought a war against someone capable of fighting back. The last time they did, in Vietnam, it wasn't much fun but that was a long time ago and nobody remembers the Vietnam War. You're dealing with a populace with a collective memory of about ten minutes.

    And Americans don't fear nuclear war because they assume they'll win with virtually no casualties. They don't think that American cities are going to burn.

    What all this means is that the crazier elements among the feminists, the homosexuals, the trannies and the other members of the Coalition of the Fringes really would be in favour of starting WW3 just to force Putin to cave in on the homosexual agenda. And the crazier elements among the Coalition of the Fringes represent the majority of that coalition.
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  37. @Sean
    There will be a quid pro quo. Trump will destroy Iran, thereby detatching US Jewry from the pro-immigration (anti-trump) lobby, and then seal the deal by doing the same to the borders. The deep state will be helpless.

    I don’t know what medication you’re on, but you must get off it before you comment again. You have no grasp of reality

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  38. bartok says:
    @Realist
    Watching the crap slide of Western culture is not a pretty picture. The insouciance of the Western electorate toward their plight begot the current situation.
    Westerners have become shallow and stupid.

    he insouciance of the Western electorate toward their plight

    High-trust Anglo-Saxons are trusting. That’s one reason the Saxon is incredibly slow to anger and hate.

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  39. bartok says:
    @TheJester
    I'm grasping at straws. Perhaps Trump believes that if Bolton (an unapologetic, certifiable, neoconservative sociopath) works for him, Trump can control him ... and, at the extreme, if he can't control him, he can fire him. Trump does a lot of that these days.

    If that scenario is unrealistic, the Deep State is maintaining the Trump administration as a chimera of democracy as to not too overtly distress the conservative majority in this country that have been cuckolded and dismissed as a bunch of "redneck, God-fearing, patriotic deplorables".

    I'm coming to believe that this is true. Given the failure of his electoral agenda, Trump is now a figurehead ... nothing more. We are backsliding into civil war. Yet, we know from history and the personalities involved that, at this juncture, the Deep State will precipitate a really serious war somewhere as a manic distraction from reality: support the war (regardless of who, whom, and where) or you are guilty of treason.

    My guess is that war will be a Ukranian attack against the Russian-supported rebels. Ukraine cannot win. It will be wholesale slaughter when the Russians intervene. That will be a clarion call for the West to intervene in support of the Ukranazis against the so-called "Russonazis". (Nazis are again so in vogue these days ... and I know this doesn't make sense.) Unkanazis will die instead of American-boots-on-the-ground. Who cares? John Bolton? "Kill two birds with one stone", as the saying goes.

    However, all is not lost. The recent actions by the (((globalist))) Deep State show a sense of desperation. The United States is rebelling and sliding toward civil war and the EU is not far behind. The civil wars will decide the issue ... albeit it is probably too late for Great Britain and Sweden. They have already ceased to exist as national entities with scant hope of recovery.

    The obituaries for Great Britain and Sweden: "Allahu Akbar! Allah is Great for such an easy victory over the Crusaders. They committed suicide. How much easier can it get? A-l-l-a-h-u A-k-b-a-r!"

    it is probably too late for Great Britain and Sweden. They have already ceased to exist as national entities with scant hope of recovery.

    As long as White men and women exist in a country, there is hope for recovery.

    Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times. Hard times create strong men.

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  40. Mr. Buchanan got this one wrong. Trump has apparently already deserted his base in order to make nice with the military-industrial-deep-state-neocon* establishment that is his bitter enemy. It’s a stupid thing to do but this buffoon did it. At this point Trump has pretty much proved to his base that he is utterly untrustworthy. He has no allies. He’s not a lame duck. He’s a sitting duck with the nation’s first successful impeachment looming, although he’s apparently too blind and egocentric to realize what he’s done to himself and what’s coming at him.

    Given that he has now proved himself a political, managerial, moral, and intellectual incompetent with a talent for creating chaos and embarrassing faux pas every time he opens his mouth or gets near an internet node, the faster Trump goes down the memory hole the better. I’ve now given up hope entirely. This country is looking at either a long period of unrest approaching levels characteristic of a civil war or revolution or a long decline into something resembling a third-world disaster but with a massive and basically useless military; probably both.
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    * I’d have added Zionist here but Trump has always been in the grip of Israel’s fifth column in this country. Sheldon Adelson is getting what he paid for at a bargain rate. I foolishly thought Trump might renege on some of his insane campaign promises to these swine but even during his first months in office it was clear he was just another sockpuppet fror Israel.

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    "Trump has apparently already deserted his base in order to make nice with the military-industrial-deep-state-neocon* establishment that is his bitter enemy. It’s a stupid thing to do but this buffoon did it."

    Isn't it more likely that Orange Clown never had any intention of following through on his pre-election intimations and campaign promises? IOW, in retrospect, doesn't it seem probable that Orange Clown's whole campaign was a calculated "bait and switch" fraud from the beginning?

    "This country is looking at either a long period of unrest approaching levels characteristic of a civil war or revolution or a long decline into something resembling a third-world disaster but with a massive and basically useless military; probably both."

    That seems quite optimistic to me. If Orange Clown is what I think he is - a "deep cover"/"sleeper" agent called to power at a now or never moment to present his masters' "NWO" ultimata to Russia and China - then I will be very surprised if he does not bring the missiles down on us at some point in this unfolding tragedy.
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  41. @Sean
    Ukraine and Russia were never friends in the past, I would not expect it in the future. Likewise the US and Russia are natural potential enemies that could only be friends if they were to ally against a mega-power, such as China will become rather soon. Countries came into being because of war, and when the potential for war disappears the countries will have no reason to exist. Rely on it, you will have a long wait.

    Dear Sean. Please seek help before you snap and kill us all.

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  42. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Mr. Buchanan got this one wrong. Trump has apparently already deserted his base in order to make nice with the military-industrial-deep-state-neocon* establishment that is his bitter enemy. It's a stupid thing to do but this buffoon did it. At this point Trump has pretty much proved to his base that he is utterly untrustworthy. He has no allies. He's not a lame duck. He's a sitting duck with the nation's first successful impeachment looming, although he's apparently too blind and egocentric to realize what he's done to himself and what's coming at him.

    Given that he has now proved himself a political, managerial, moral, and intellectual incompetent with a talent for creating chaos and embarrassing faux pas every time he opens his mouth or gets near an internet node, the faster Trump goes down the memory hole the better. I've now given up hope entirely. This country is looking at either a long period of unrest approaching levels characteristic of a civil war or revolution or a long decline into something resembling a third-world disaster but with a massive and basically useless military; probably both.
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    * I'd have added Zionist here but Trump has always been in the grip of Israel's fifth column in this country. Sheldon Adelson is getting what he paid for at a bargain rate. I foolishly thought Trump might renege on some of his insane campaign promises to these swine but even during his first months in office it was clear he was just another sockpuppet fror Israel.

    “Trump has apparently already deserted his base in order to make nice with the military-industrial-deep-state-neocon* establishment that is his bitter enemy. It’s a stupid thing to do but this buffoon did it.”

    Isn’t it more likely that Orange Clown never had any intention of following through on his pre-election intimations and campaign promises? IOW, in retrospect, doesn’t it seem probable that Orange Clown’s whole campaign was a calculated “bait and switch” fraud from the beginning?

    “This country is looking at either a long period of unrest approaching levels characteristic of a civil war or revolution or a long decline into something resembling a third-world disaster but with a massive and basically useless military; probably both.”

    That seems quite optimistic to me. If Orange Clown is what I think he is – a “deep cover”/”sleeper” agent called to power at a now or never moment to present his masters’ “NWO” ultimata to Russia and China – then I will be very surprised if he does not bring the missiles down on us at some point in this unfolding tragedy.

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    So what you are really saying is that we would be far better off with those paragons of integrity and political wisdom B and HC, the heros of Waco, back in the WH.
    You make me wanna puke.

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  43. FB says:
    @El Vato
    As a person who has long ago lost trust in both parties (Republican/Democrat), I say let Mueller finish his investigation, then let's analyze his discoveries (perhaps just another stained blue dress). If it brings down the Trump Presidency then obviously Trump did have the power he thought he had, be it his followers, Republican party, or the country. If it does not bring down his Presidency, then we can be done with it and he can continue with his Presidency without further interference from Mueller. However, I do believe that most politicians are, or should be, very afraid that truths of their ascension into political power be made public. Plausible deniability and loyal followers are their life blood to survival. We have become a nation that doesn't care how dirty our politicians have become. Just don't get caught or make it very obvious. Have an out that can be sold to the public. Even a madman like Hitler knew that the greater masses of people will believe a greater lie than a small one.

    ‘…I say let Mueller finish his investigation…’

    Your comment has to rank as one of the most asinine imaginable…

    From what tiny, malformed brain oblivious to reality could such a pseudo-thought be formed…?

    That is the question here…

    The answer…this comes from a purely biological rarity…ie the freak show exhibitwith unusual disability…

    Mueller is a notorious deep state criminal…who, under any normal circumstances would be serving a lengthy prison sentence…

    The ‘investigation’ does not even qualify as a circus act…

    End of story…

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    Yours a voice of insight and reason : Chapeau.

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  44. @Harold Smith
    "Trump has apparently already deserted his base in order to make nice with the military-industrial-deep-state-neocon* establishment that is his bitter enemy. It’s a stupid thing to do but this buffoon did it."

    Isn't it more likely that Orange Clown never had any intention of following through on his pre-election intimations and campaign promises? IOW, in retrospect, doesn't it seem probable that Orange Clown's whole campaign was a calculated "bait and switch" fraud from the beginning?

    "This country is looking at either a long period of unrest approaching levels characteristic of a civil war or revolution or a long decline into something resembling a third-world disaster but with a massive and basically useless military; probably both."

    That seems quite optimistic to me. If Orange Clown is what I think he is - a "deep cover"/"sleeper" agent called to power at a now or never moment to present his masters' "NWO" ultimata to Russia and China - then I will be very surprised if he does not bring the missiles down on us at some point in this unfolding tragedy.

    So what you are really saying is that we would be far better off with those paragons of integrity and political wisdom B and HC, the heros of Waco, back in the WH.
    You make me wanna puke.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

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    "So what you are really saying is that we would be far better off with those paragons of integrity and political wisdom B and HC, the heros of Waco, back in the WH."

    No. What I'm really saying is what I plainly, exclusively and unambiguously said. I'm sorry if it went over your head.

    "You make me wanna puke."

    Hmmm...so apparently you're either allergic to truth, or you're looking at your mirror when you should be looking at your monitor.

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  45. @FB

    '...I say let Mueller finish his investigation...'
     
    Your comment has to rank as one of the most asinine imaginable...

    From what tiny, malformed brain oblivious to reality could such a pseudo-thought be formed...?

    That is the question here...

    The answer...this comes from a purely biological rarity...ie the freak show exhibitwith unusual disability...

    Mueller is a notorious deep state criminal...who, under any normal circumstances would be serving a lengthy prison sentence...

    The 'investigation' does not even qualify as a circus act...

    End of story...

    Yours a voice of insight and reason : Chapeau.

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  46. I think “Sean” may be Bolton.

    “get US Jewry on his side”

    A deal with the devil? Yep, that’ll work out well.

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  47. @TheJester
    I'm grasping at straws. Perhaps Trump believes that if Bolton (an unapologetic, certifiable, neoconservative sociopath) works for him, Trump can control him ... and, at the extreme, if he can't control him, he can fire him. Trump does a lot of that these days.

    If that scenario is unrealistic, the Deep State is maintaining the Trump administration as a chimera of democracy as to not too overtly distress the conservative majority in this country that have been cuckolded and dismissed as a bunch of "redneck, God-fearing, patriotic deplorables".

    I'm coming to believe that this is true. Given the failure of his electoral agenda, Trump is now a figurehead ... nothing more. We are backsliding into civil war. Yet, we know from history and the personalities involved that, at this juncture, the Deep State will precipitate a really serious war somewhere as a manic distraction from reality: support the war (regardless of who, whom, and where) or you are guilty of treason.

    My guess is that war will be a Ukranian attack against the Russian-supported rebels. Ukraine cannot win. It will be wholesale slaughter when the Russians intervene. That will be a clarion call for the West to intervene in support of the Ukranazis against the so-called "Russonazis". (Nazis are again so in vogue these days ... and I know this doesn't make sense.) Unkanazis will die instead of American-boots-on-the-ground. Who cares? John Bolton? "Kill two birds with one stone", as the saying goes.

    However, all is not lost. The recent actions by the (((globalist))) Deep State show a sense of desperation. The United States is rebelling and sliding toward civil war and the EU is not far behind. The civil wars will decide the issue ... albeit it is probably too late for Great Britain and Sweden. They have already ceased to exist as national entities with scant hope of recovery.

    The obituaries for Great Britain and Sweden: "Allahu Akbar! Allah is Great for such an easy victory over the Crusaders. They committed suicide. How much easier can it get? A-l-l-a-h-u A-k-b-a-r!"

    albeit it is probably too late for Great Britain and Sweden. They have already ceased to exist as national entities with scant hope of recovery.

    The obituaries for Great Britain and Sweden: “Allahu Akbar! Allah is Great for such an easy victory over the Crusaders. They committed suicide. How much easier can it get? A-l-l-a-h-u A-k-b-a-r!“

    The United Kingdom remains 88% white. This is changing quickly, but the situation is a lot better than 62% white America (and only about 50% for children).

    Sweden doesn’t gather such data, but of a total population of ten million 7.7 million are ethnic Swedes. And the largest immigrant group is still Finns.

    America by far has the most dangerous demographics of any Western country, and you can’t find a single other Western country where a major political party and much of the elite class no longer believes in any borders at all.

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    The United Kingdom remains 88% white.
     
    And those whites are 100% passive. They'll do what their ruling class tells them to do. Back in 1914 their ruling class told them to march off to France to die in the trenches and they did so. In 1939 their ruling class told them that wasn't enough, that more of them would have to march off to die. So off they went. They're sheep who are now so well-trained that they'll head off to the slaughterhouse without question and without hesitation.

    They are not going to fight back against the ruling class.
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  48. @Authenticjazzman
    So what you are really saying is that we would be far better off with those paragons of integrity and political wisdom B and HC, the heros of Waco, back in the WH.
    You make me wanna puke.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

    “So what you are really saying is that we would be far better off with those paragons of integrity and political wisdom B and HC, the heros of Waco, back in the WH.”

    No. What I’m really saying is what I plainly, exclusively and unambiguously said. I’m sorry if it went over your head.

    “You make me wanna puke.”

    Hmmm…so apparently you’re either allergic to truth, or you’re looking at your mirror when you should be looking at your monitor.

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    " I'm sorry if it went over your head"

    Nothing you could offer would ever go "over" my head. I know exactly where you are coming from and I, whether you like it or not, I am aware of your covert preference for the looney Democrats.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.
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  49. anon[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    If Trump is so aware of the threat that the Deep State poses to his administration, why did he name John Bolton as National Security Advisor?

    Conversely, Bolton — a former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations during the George W. Bush administration — has cast doubt on the evidence linking Russia to the Democratic National Committee hack, suggesting that the Obama administration was blaming the Kremlin for political purposes.

    He was stuck with a Neo con as a condition of remaining in power. McMaster wants to argue that we should have defeated Vietnam. Trump was on his way out before he appointed the generals.

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  50. dfordoom says: • Website
    @TheJester
    I'm grasping at straws. Perhaps Trump believes that if Bolton (an unapologetic, certifiable, neoconservative sociopath) works for him, Trump can control him ... and, at the extreme, if he can't control him, he can fire him. Trump does a lot of that these days.

    If that scenario is unrealistic, the Deep State is maintaining the Trump administration as a chimera of democracy as to not too overtly distress the conservative majority in this country that have been cuckolded and dismissed as a bunch of "redneck, God-fearing, patriotic deplorables".

    I'm coming to believe that this is true. Given the failure of his electoral agenda, Trump is now a figurehead ... nothing more. We are backsliding into civil war. Yet, we know from history and the personalities involved that, at this juncture, the Deep State will precipitate a really serious war somewhere as a manic distraction from reality: support the war (regardless of who, whom, and where) or you are guilty of treason.

    My guess is that war will be a Ukranian attack against the Russian-supported rebels. Ukraine cannot win. It will be wholesale slaughter when the Russians intervene. That will be a clarion call for the West to intervene in support of the Ukranazis against the so-called "Russonazis". (Nazis are again so in vogue these days ... and I know this doesn't make sense.) Unkanazis will die instead of American-boots-on-the-ground. Who cares? John Bolton? "Kill two birds with one stone", as the saying goes.

    However, all is not lost. The recent actions by the (((globalist))) Deep State show a sense of desperation. The United States is rebelling and sliding toward civil war and the EU is not far behind. The civil wars will decide the issue ... albeit it is probably too late for Great Britain and Sweden. They have already ceased to exist as national entities with scant hope of recovery.

    The obituaries for Great Britain and Sweden: "Allahu Akbar! Allah is Great for such an easy victory over the Crusaders. They committed suicide. How much easier can it get? A-l-l-a-h-u A-k-b-a-r!"

    The recent actions by the (((globalist))) Deep State show a sense of desperation.

    Looks to me more like supreme self-confidence. There’s no longer any need for them to be cautious. Now is the time to push for final victory.

    The United States is rebelling and sliding toward civil war

    Pure wishful thinking. Liberal democracy, mass media and capitalism have made westerners fat, lazy, stupid and apathetic.

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  51. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Authenticjazzman
    " The Democrats are so hungry for" : As bizarre as it sounds they, the insane Democrats, are so hungy for VP to finally change his standpoint regarding gays, that they are willing to start ww3 so as to further this goal.
    And I reall doubt whether the majority of gays would back this action.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained uS Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

    As bizarre as it sounds they, the insane Democrats, are so hungy for VP to finally change his standpoint regarding gays, that they are willing to start ww3 so as to further this goal.
    And I reall doubt whether the majority of gays would back this action.

    You have to remember that Americans think war is a game, or it’s entertainment. War is just like a movie or a game except with better visuals. They just assume that all future wars will be like Desert Storm – more of a triumphal procession than a real fight. They assume that American casualties will be minimal. There might be millions of dead on the other side but they’re non-Americans and they don’t count.

    It’s a long time since the U.S. fought a war against someone capable of fighting back. The last time they did, in Vietnam, it wasn’t much fun but that was a long time ago and nobody remembers the Vietnam War. You’re dealing with a populace with a collective memory of about ten minutes.

    And Americans don’t fear nuclear war because they assume they’ll win with virtually no casualties. They don’t think that American cities are going to burn.

    What all this means is that the crazier elements among the feminists, the homosexuals, the trannies and the other members of the Coalition of the Fringes really would be in favour of starting WW3 just to force Putin to cave in on the homosexual agenda. And the crazier elements among the Coalition of the Fringes represent the majority of that coalition.

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    " You have to remember that Americans think war is a game"

    Pure unadultered bullshit. My ( deceased) brother went to Viet Nam in 1967, and came home with a stiff leg and heart troubles. He married the girl of his dreams and tried to reconstruct his horribly damaged life, and lost the good fight, and neither he, myself or our family ever considered war to be a "game" as you so ignorantly put it, and I really resent your nasty, acrimoneous, and disparaging statements regarding Americans in general.
    My cousin also spent a tour in VN in the infantry as a Lt, was severely wounded and passed away in Hawaii, and my mother flew out to be with him as he departed, and he most certainly did not view his horrid experiences in VN as a "game"

    "It's been a long time since the US fought a war capable of fighting back" : Hogwash, the NV lost two and a half million as compared to the US's loss of fifty-five thousand, every man one too many.
    The leftist assertion and propaganda claiming that the US lost to the NV is just that : Propaganda and lies, as they, the NV, most certainly were no match for the Americans.

    Otherwise I commend you for your understanding of the VP/gay issue.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.
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  52. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Thorfinnsson


    albeit it is probably too late for Great Britain and Sweden. They have already ceased to exist as national entities with scant hope of recovery.

    The obituaries for Great Britain and Sweden: “Allahu Akbar! Allah is Great for such an easy victory over the Crusaders. They committed suicide. How much easier can it get? A-l-l-a-h-u A-k-b-a-r!“
     
    The United Kingdom remains 88% white. This is changing quickly, but the situation is a lot better than 62% white America (and only about 50% for children).

    Sweden doesn't gather such data, but of a total population of ten million 7.7 million are ethnic Swedes. And the largest immigrant group is still Finns.

    America by far has the most dangerous demographics of any Western country, and you can't find a single other Western country where a major political party and much of the elite class no longer believes in any borders at all.

    The United Kingdom remains 88% white.

    And those whites are 100% passive. They’ll do what their ruling class tells them to do. Back in 1914 their ruling class told them to march off to France to die in the trenches and they did so. In 1939 their ruling class told them that wasn’t enough, that more of them would have to march off to die. So off they went. They’re sheep who are now so well-trained that they’ll head off to the slaughterhouse without question and without hesitation.

    They are not going to fight back against the ruling class.

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  53. @dfordoom

    As bizarre as it sounds they, the insane Democrats, are so hungy for VP to finally change his standpoint regarding gays, that they are willing to start ww3 so as to further this goal.
    And I reall doubt whether the majority of gays would back this action.
     
    You have to remember that Americans think war is a game, or it's entertainment. War is just like a movie or a game except with better visuals. They just assume that all future wars will be like Desert Storm - more of a triumphal procession than a real fight. They assume that American casualties will be minimal. There might be millions of dead on the other side but they're non-Americans and they don't count.

    It's a long time since the U.S. fought a war against someone capable of fighting back. The last time they did, in Vietnam, it wasn't much fun but that was a long time ago and nobody remembers the Vietnam War. You're dealing with a populace with a collective memory of about ten minutes.

    And Americans don't fear nuclear war because they assume they'll win with virtually no casualties. They don't think that American cities are going to burn.

    What all this means is that the crazier elements among the feminists, the homosexuals, the trannies and the other members of the Coalition of the Fringes really would be in favour of starting WW3 just to force Putin to cave in on the homosexual agenda. And the crazier elements among the Coalition of the Fringes represent the majority of that coalition.

    ” You have to remember that Americans think war is a game”

    Pure unadultered bullshit. My ( deceased) brother went to Viet Nam in 1967, and came home with a stiff leg and heart troubles. He married the girl of his dreams and tried to reconstruct his horribly damaged life, and lost the good fight, and neither he, myself or our family ever considered war to be a “game” as you so ignorantly put it, and I really resent your nasty, acrimoneous, and disparaging statements regarding Americans in general.
    My cousin also spent a tour in VN in the infantry as a Lt, was severely wounded and passed away in Hawaii, and my mother flew out to be with him as he departed, and he most certainly did not view his horrid experiences in VN as a “game”

    “It’s been a long time since the US fought a war capable of fighting back” : Hogwash, the NV lost two and a half million as compared to the US’s loss of fifty-five thousand, every man one too many.
    The leftist assertion and propaganda claiming that the US lost to the NV is just that : Propaganda and lies, as they, the NV, most certainly were no match for the Americans.

    Otherwise I commend you for your understanding of the VP/gay issue.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

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    the NV, most certainly were no match for the Americans.

     

    They still won. North Vietnamese 1, United States 0.


    ” You have to remember that Americans think war is a game”
     
    Pure unadultered bullshit. My ( deceased) brother went to Viet Nam in 1967, and came home with a stiff leg and heart troubles. He married the girl of his dreams and tried to reconstruct his horribly damaged life, and lost the good fight, and neither he, myself or our family ever considered war to be a “game” as you so ignorantly put it
     
    Americans today think war is a game because they've forgotten Vietnam. If they're Millennials they probably don't even know there was a Vietnam War.
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  54. @Harold Smith
    "So what you are really saying is that we would be far better off with those paragons of integrity and political wisdom B and HC, the heros of Waco, back in the WH."

    No. What I'm really saying is what I plainly, exclusively and unambiguously said. I'm sorry if it went over your head.

    "You make me wanna puke."

    Hmmm...so apparently you're either allergic to truth, or you're looking at your mirror when you should be looking at your monitor.

    ” I’m sorry if it went over your head”

    Nothing you could offer would ever go “over” my head. I know exactly where you are coming from and I, whether you like it or not, I am aware of your covert preference for the looney Democrats.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

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    "Nothing you could offer would ever go 'over' my head."

    Liar.


    "I know exactly where you are coming from and I, whether you like it or not..."

    LOL! As if you should have some expectation to be taken seriously.


    "I am aware of your covert preference for the looney (sic) Democrats."

    I suppose in the make-believe world you live in, anything's possible. Now, why don't you run along and get back to your Talmudic studies before your guardian finds out you're at the computer again.

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  55. uh, they broke him months ago….haven’t you been paying attention? All he does now is try to rhetorically manipulate his base…I am OFF the trump train!

    Same thing happened to reagan…but you won’t admit it!

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    " I am OFF the Trump train" = Translation : I was never really on the Trump train, and my bottom is still in great pain due to the loss of the election, and I am praying that in 2024 once again a (lunatic) Democrat wil be able to continue with the destruction of this " racist, homophobic, misogynististic, reactionary, unfair nation".

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

    PS you have to get up much earlier to pull the wool over my world-traveled eyes.
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  56. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    "...the hated Nixon was succeeding in extricating us with honor..."

    Here's an example of Richard Milhaus Nixon, Honorable Gentleman:

    "Rioting [pro-war] construction workers also attacked buildings near city hall, most were of Irish Catholic extraction and some ripped the Red Cross and Episcopal Church flags down from a flagpole at nearby Trinity Church. One group invaded two nearby Pace University buildings, smashing lobby windows with clubs and crowbars and beating up students. More than 70 people were injured, including four policemen. Most of the injured required hospital treatment. Six people were arrested."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard/Hat/Riot

    Nixon never condemned the rioters. On May 26, Nixon met with a group of 22 labor leaders at the White House, where he was presented with a trophy hard hat.

    Cheer on, Fanboy.

    Pat loses credibility with assertions such as “Nixon was succeeding in extricating us with honor…”

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  57. @propagandist hacker
    uh, they broke him months ago....haven't you been paying attention? All he does now is try to rhetorically manipulate his base...I am OFF the trump train!

    Same thing happened to reagan...but you won't admit it!

    ” I am OFF the Trump train” = Translation : I was never really on the Trump train, and my bottom is still in great pain due to the loss of the election, and I am praying that in 2024 once again a (lunatic) Democrat wil be able to continue with the destruction of this ” racist, homophobic, misogynististic, reactionary, unfair nation”.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

    PS you have to get up much earlier to pull the wool over my world-traveled eyes.

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  58. @Authenticjazzman
    " I'm sorry if it went over your head"

    Nothing you could offer would ever go "over" my head. I know exactly where you are coming from and I, whether you like it or not, I am aware of your covert preference for the looney Democrats.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

    “Nothing you could offer would ever go ‘over’ my head.”

    Liar.

    “I know exactly where you are coming from and I, whether you like it or not…”

    LOL! As if you should have some expectation to be taken seriously.

    “I am aware of your covert preference for the looney (sic) Democrats.”

    I suppose in the make-believe world you live in, anything’s possible. Now, why don’t you run along and get back to your Talmudic studies before your guardian finds out you’re at the computer again.

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    " Go back to your Talmudic studies"

    Just wtf do you mean with this inane, absurd, statement? Myself, although I respect the religious inclinations of other folks, myself just happens to be a totally areligious person : An atheist in other words, and your silly-ass arcane insinuations have no impact or or effect upon myself, so touche' and have a nice day..

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  59. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Authenticjazzman
    " You have to remember that Americans think war is a game"

    Pure unadultered bullshit. My ( deceased) brother went to Viet Nam in 1967, and came home with a stiff leg and heart troubles. He married the girl of his dreams and tried to reconstruct his horribly damaged life, and lost the good fight, and neither he, myself or our family ever considered war to be a "game" as you so ignorantly put it, and I really resent your nasty, acrimoneous, and disparaging statements regarding Americans in general.
    My cousin also spent a tour in VN in the infantry as a Lt, was severely wounded and passed away in Hawaii, and my mother flew out to be with him as he departed, and he most certainly did not view his horrid experiences in VN as a "game"

    "It's been a long time since the US fought a war capable of fighting back" : Hogwash, the NV lost two and a half million as compared to the US's loss of fifty-five thousand, every man one too many.
    The leftist assertion and propaganda claiming that the US lost to the NV is just that : Propaganda and lies, as they, the NV, most certainly were no match for the Americans.

    Otherwise I commend you for your understanding of the VP/gay issue.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

    the NV, most certainly were no match for the Americans.

    They still won. North Vietnamese 1, United States 0.

    ” You have to remember that Americans think war is a game”

    Pure unadultered bullshit. My ( deceased) brother went to Viet Nam in 1967, and came home with a stiff leg and heart troubles. He married the girl of his dreams and tried to reconstruct his horribly damaged life, and lost the good fight, and neither he, myself or our family ever considered war to be a “game” as you so ignorantly put it

    Americans today think war is a game because they’ve forgotten Vietnam. If they’re Millennials they probably don’t even know there was a Vietnam War.

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    "They still won. North Vietnamese1, United States 0."

    Again pure nonsense : NV = 2.5 million dead : US 55 000. Viet Nam now capitalistic and bursting with McDonalds and Burger King.

    If this is the new (your) parameter for winning and losing : Whoever suffers the most casualities and damage is the winner, then we have to go back and re-write all of the history books starting with : Germany and Japan won.

    Look you can't bullshit me friend, as I see through your malarky and I know your one-dimensional leftist mind-set better than you do yourself.
    You simply hate America and you WANT to see it this way, regardless of facts.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us Army Vet, and pro Jazz musician.

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  60. map says:

    I don’t get this.

    Trump is such a hated figure by the deep state, whether that deep state is the media, academia, the Democrats or even members of his own party, that what possible deal could he engineer with the Left that would ever let him go back to civilian life?

    What backroom negotiation could he engineer with Chuck Schumer that would still not result in Trump being destroyed once he leaves office? He has no life once he is gone from the presidency. His enemies would never let him go quietly home.

    Like it or not, the survival of him and his family depends on the destruction of the Left. It just so happens that the rest of our survival also depends on it.

    Furthermore, the deep state is a lot more fragile that it seems. You think everyone within the deep state is content with their position in the hierarchy? That nobody wants to move up? You think there is no opportunity for any deep state members to clear the way of their bosses and handlers and to use Trump to do it for them? What makes you think a deep state fashioned on nationalist principles is currently not forming?

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    "Trump is such a hated figure by the deep state..."

    What makes you think that?

    If the "deep state" hates Trump, why did they run Clinton against him rather than the apparently more electable Sanders?

    If the "deep state" hates Trump, why would they ramp up tensions with Russia in the early fall of 2016, when the election was coming into the home stretch, thereby nudging disgruntled Sanders supporters (anti-war Democrats) into Trump's camp, swinging the election to him?

    If the "deep state" hates Trump, why don't they impeach him for his illegal, immoral, unconstitutional and increasingly risky war crimes in Syria for example?
    , @Twodees Partain
    "Like it or not, the survival of him and his family depends on the destruction of the Left."

    If that's true, then Trump is a goner.
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  61. @map
    I don't get this.

    Trump is such a hated figure by the deep state, whether that deep state is the media, academia, the Democrats or even members of his own party, that what possible deal could he engineer with the Left that would ever let him go back to civilian life?

    What backroom negotiation could he engineer with Chuck Schumer that would still not result in Trump being destroyed once he leaves office? He has no life once he is gone from the presidency. His enemies would never let him go quietly home.

    Like it or not, the survival of him and his family depends on the destruction of the Left. It just so happens that the rest of our survival also depends on it.

    Furthermore, the deep state is a lot more fragile that it seems. You think everyone within the deep state is content with their position in the hierarchy? That nobody wants to move up? You think there is no opportunity for any deep state members to clear the way of their bosses and handlers and to use Trump to do it for them? What makes you think a deep state fashioned on nationalist principles is currently not forming?

    “Trump is such a hated figure by the deep state…”

    What makes you think that?

    If the “deep state” hates Trump, why did they run Clinton against him rather than the apparently more electable Sanders?

    If the “deep state” hates Trump, why would they ramp up tensions with Russia in the early fall of 2016, when the election was coming into the home stretch, thereby nudging disgruntled Sanders supporters (anti-war Democrats) into Trump’s camp, swinging the election to him?

    If the “deep state” hates Trump, why don’t they impeach him for his illegal, immoral, unconstitutional and increasingly risky war crimes in Syria for example?

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    "What makes you think that?"

    So...let me see if I understand this correctly: You believe that Trump and the Deep State have a deal whereas Trump is painted by the Deep State as either: a) a traitor and collaborator with Russia; b) a racist; c) a serial molester of women and a misogynist; d) a xenophobe; e) an idiot unfit for office and f) a target of every lunatic with an assassination fantasy, and that this giant collaborative effort is one that Trump willingly agreed with.

    What exactly does he get out of it?

    "If the “deep state” hates Trump, why did they run Clinton against him rather than the apparently more electable Sanders?"

    Because, with either Clinton or Jeb Bush, the Deep State gets what it wants. Clinton was their candidate. Bernie Sanders was unelectable, given that Bernie neither wanted to end immigration nor implement the MAGA economic program.

    "If the “deep state” hates Trump, why don’t they impeach him for his illegal, immoral, unconstitutional and increasingly risky war crimes in Syria for example?"

    What war crimes in Syria? Assad is winning.

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  62. @map
    I don't get this.

    Trump is such a hated figure by the deep state, whether that deep state is the media, academia, the Democrats or even members of his own party, that what possible deal could he engineer with the Left that would ever let him go back to civilian life?

    What backroom negotiation could he engineer with Chuck Schumer that would still not result in Trump being destroyed once he leaves office? He has no life once he is gone from the presidency. His enemies would never let him go quietly home.

    Like it or not, the survival of him and his family depends on the destruction of the Left. It just so happens that the rest of our survival also depends on it.

    Furthermore, the deep state is a lot more fragile that it seems. You think everyone within the deep state is content with their position in the hierarchy? That nobody wants to move up? You think there is no opportunity for any deep state members to clear the way of their bosses and handlers and to use Trump to do it for them? What makes you think a deep state fashioned on nationalist principles is currently not forming?

    “Like it or not, the survival of him and his family depends on the destruction of the Left.”

    If that’s true, then Trump is a goner.

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    There is movie called "Mother Night" based on the book by the same name by Kurt Vonnegut. Nick Nolte plays a Nazi radio propagandist who was actually a spy for the allies and helping to funnel coded messages to the allied powers.

    Thing is, he ended up in an Israeli prison because the State Department had to disavow his existence.

    Do you think Trump is the Nick Nolte character on behalf of the Deep State?
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  63. @dfordoom

    the NV, most certainly were no match for the Americans.

     

    They still won. North Vietnamese 1, United States 0.


    ” You have to remember that Americans think war is a game”
     
    Pure unadultered bullshit. My ( deceased) brother went to Viet Nam in 1967, and came home with a stiff leg and heart troubles. He married the girl of his dreams and tried to reconstruct his horribly damaged life, and lost the good fight, and neither he, myself or our family ever considered war to be a “game” as you so ignorantly put it
     
    Americans today think war is a game because they've forgotten Vietnam. If they're Millennials they probably don't even know there was a Vietnam War.

    “They still won. North Vietnamese1, United States 0.”

    Again pure nonsense : NV = 2.5 million dead : US 55 000. Viet Nam now capitalistic and bursting with McDonalds and Burger King.

    If this is the new (your) parameter for winning and losing : Whoever suffers the most casualities and damage is the winner, then we have to go back and re-write all of the history books starting with : Germany and Japan won.

    Look you can’t bullshit me friend, as I see through your malarky and I know your one-dimensional leftist mind-set better than you do yourself.
    You simply hate America and you WANT to see it this way, regardless of facts.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us Army Vet, and pro Jazz musician.

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    Whoever suffers the most casualities and damage is the winner, then we have to go back and re-write all of the history books starting with : Germany and Japan won.
     
    The USSR and China suffered more casualties than Germany and Japan, respectively. And they won.

    As you might understand by now, winning or losing has nothing to do with the number of casualties.

    , @dfordoom

    Again pure nonsense : NV = 2.5 million dead : US 55 000.
     
    You fight wars to achieve political objectives. North Vietnam achieved its political objective, therefore it won. The United States failed to achieve its political objective, therefore it lost. That's how it works.

    But keep fantasising that you won if it makes you feel better.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    I remember those scenes from April 1975. It sure didn't seem like victory to me.
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  64. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Why? Because the hated Nixon was succeeding in extricating us with honor from a war that the presidents for whom the Times and Post hauled water could not win or end.

    The No. 2 guy at the FBI was so angry that he Nixon was going to end the Vietnam War by bombing Hanoi that he decided to leak and bring down the Nixon presidency? That sounds bogus.

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  65. @Authenticjazzman
    "They still won. North Vietnamese1, United States 0."

    Again pure nonsense : NV = 2.5 million dead : US 55 000. Viet Nam now capitalistic and bursting with McDonalds and Burger King.

    If this is the new (your) parameter for winning and losing : Whoever suffers the most casualities and damage is the winner, then we have to go back and re-write all of the history books starting with : Germany and Japan won.

    Look you can't bullshit me friend, as I see through your malarky and I know your one-dimensional leftist mind-set better than you do yourself.
    You simply hate America and you WANT to see it this way, regardless of facts.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us Army Vet, and pro Jazz musician.

    Whoever suffers the most casualities and damage is the winner, then we have to go back and re-write all of the history books starting with : Germany and Japan won.

    The USSR and China suffered more casualties than Germany and Japan, respectively. And they won.

    As you might understand by now, winning or losing has nothing to do with the number of casualties.

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    This is not the point, which is pertaining to a SPECIFIC event, namely the VN War, and the NV most certainly did not defeat the US : The US threw in the towel as they were fighting, due to engagement restrictions, with one hand tied behind their back.
    Plus NV suffered horrendous casualties which do not reflect a defeat of their opponent, the US, period, no matter how much you want to believe the fairy tale claiming that the US lost, and NV won.

    "As you might understand by now": Look buddy I have been "Mensa" qualified for forty-plus years with a tested IQ in the area of 160+, and there in nothing which you can impart to me which I would not be able to "Understand".

    "Reiner Tor" : Translation from German : Pure fool.

    AJM
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  66. @Harold Smith
    "Nothing you could offer would ever go 'over' my head."

    Liar.


    "I know exactly where you are coming from and I, whether you like it or not..."

    LOL! As if you should have some expectation to be taken seriously.


    "I am aware of your covert preference for the looney (sic) Democrats."

    I suppose in the make-believe world you live in, anything's possible. Now, why don't you run along and get back to your Talmudic studies before your guardian finds out you're at the computer again.

    ” Go back to your Talmudic studies”

    Just wtf do you mean with this inane, absurd, statement? Myself, although I respect the religious inclinations of other folks, myself just happens to be a totally areligious person : An atheist in other words, and your silly-ass arcane insinuations have no impact or or effect upon myself, so touche’ and have a nice day..

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

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    "Just wtf do you mean with this inane, absurd, statement?"

    I know exactly where you are coming from and I, whether you like it or not, I am aware of your covert preference for the looney (sic) Talmud.

    "Myself, although I respect the religious inclinations of other folks, myself just happens to be a totally areligious person : An atheist in other words, and your silly-ass arcane insinuations have no impact or or effect upon myself, so touche’ and have a nice day.."

    I know exactly where you are coming from and I, whether you like it or not, I am aware of your covert preference for the looney (sic) Talmud.

    BTW you make me wanna puke.
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  67. @reiner Tor

    Whoever suffers the most casualities and damage is the winner, then we have to go back and re-write all of the history books starting with : Germany and Japan won.
     
    The USSR and China suffered more casualties than Germany and Japan, respectively. And they won.

    As you might understand by now, winning or losing has nothing to do with the number of casualties.

    This is not the point, which is pertaining to a SPECIFIC event, namely the VN War, and the NV most certainly did not defeat the US : The US threw in the towel as they were fighting, due to engagement restrictions, with one hand tied behind their back.
    Plus NV suffered horrendous casualties which do not reflect a defeat of their opponent, the US, period, no matter how much you want to believe the fairy tale claiming that the US lost, and NV won.

    “As you might understand by now”: Look buddy I have been “Mensa” qualified for forty-plus years with a tested IQ in the area of 160+, and there in nothing which you can impart to me which I would not be able to “Understand”.

    “Reiner Tor” : Translation from German : Pure fool.

    AJM

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    the NV most certainly did not defeat the US : The US threw in the towel
     
    Giving up and running away because the nasty enemy keeps shooting back at you still counts as losing.

    War is a political struggle. You do understand that don't you? In Vietnam the U.S. discovered that military might can't compensate for political weakness.

    Those 55,000 Americans died for nothing. Their lives were simply thrown away. A tragic waste.
    , @reiner Tor
    The commenter dfordoom already answered your main point, let me just veer off topic a bit.

    If you are intelligent, it will come through in your comments anyway. No reason to write your IQ score to the end of each of your comments. But being intelligent is not the same as being wise. There are high IQ fools, while relatively low IQ people can still possess a lot of wisdom.

    “Reiner Tor” : Translation from German : Pure fool.
     
    Yes, Einstein, it comes from the Wagner opera Parsifal, where the eponymous protagonist is a pure fool, enlightened by compassion:

    Durch Mitleid wissend,
    der reine Tor,
    harre sein',
    den ich erkor.
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  68. @Authenticjazzman
    " Go back to your Talmudic studies"

    Just wtf do you mean with this inane, absurd, statement? Myself, although I respect the religious inclinations of other folks, myself just happens to be a totally areligious person : An atheist in other words, and your silly-ass arcane insinuations have no impact or or effect upon myself, so touche' and have a nice day..

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

    “Just wtf do you mean with this inane, absurd, statement?”

    I know exactly where you are coming from and I, whether you like it or not, I am aware of your covert preference for the looney (sic) Talmud.

    “Myself, although I respect the religious inclinations of other folks, myself just happens to be a totally areligious person : An atheist in other words, and your silly-ass arcane insinuations have no impact or or effect upon myself, so touche’ and have a nice day..”

    I know exactly where you are coming from and I, whether you like it or not, I am aware of your covert preference for the looney (sic) Talmud.

    BTW you make me wanna puke.

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  69. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Authenticjazzman
    "They still won. North Vietnamese1, United States 0."

    Again pure nonsense : NV = 2.5 million dead : US 55 000. Viet Nam now capitalistic and bursting with McDonalds and Burger King.

    If this is the new (your) parameter for winning and losing : Whoever suffers the most casualities and damage is the winner, then we have to go back and re-write all of the history books starting with : Germany and Japan won.

    Look you can't bullshit me friend, as I see through your malarky and I know your one-dimensional leftist mind-set better than you do yourself.
    You simply hate America and you WANT to see it this way, regardless of facts.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us Army Vet, and pro Jazz musician.

    Again pure nonsense : NV = 2.5 million dead : US 55 000.

    You fight wars to achieve political objectives. North Vietnam achieved its political objective, therefore it won. The United States failed to achieve its political objective, therefore it lost. That’s how it works.

    But keep fantasising that you won if it makes you feel better.

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    " North Vietnam achieved its political objective and therefore it won"

    Okay so North Vietnam's political objective was apparently to install capitalism, and spread McDonalds and Burger King and Dunkin Donats throughout the country, and to adopt the political system of the, according to you, losers the US, because this is precisely what has happened.
    Hey this is a totally new concept of winning wars : Become like the opponent. Fascinating to say the least.

    Look friend I realize that you, as an America hater, simply must manically stick with the leftist version of the US having lost, no matter what the facts and circumstances, so let's just agree to not agree and leave it at that.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us Army Vet, and pro Jazz musician.
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  70. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Authenticjazzman
    This is not the point, which is pertaining to a SPECIFIC event, namely the VN War, and the NV most certainly did not defeat the US : The US threw in the towel as they were fighting, due to engagement restrictions, with one hand tied behind their back.
    Plus NV suffered horrendous casualties which do not reflect a defeat of their opponent, the US, period, no matter how much you want to believe the fairy tale claiming that the US lost, and NV won.

    "As you might understand by now": Look buddy I have been "Mensa" qualified for forty-plus years with a tested IQ in the area of 160+, and there in nothing which you can impart to me which I would not be able to "Understand".

    "Reiner Tor" : Translation from German : Pure fool.

    AJM

    the NV most certainly did not defeat the US : The US threw in the towel

    Giving up and running away because the nasty enemy keeps shooting back at you still counts as losing.

    War is a political struggle. You do understand that don’t you? In Vietnam the U.S. discovered that military might can’t compensate for political weakness.

    Those 55,000 Americans died for nothing. Their lives were simply thrown away. A tragic waste.

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    "Giving up and running away because the nasty enemy keeps shooting back at you still counts as losing."

    Exactly.

    According to Col. Robert D. Heinl Jr., a decorated combat veteran of two wars, historian and journalist, the U.S. Armed Forces in Vietnam were in a state "approaching collapse":

    "THE MORALE, DISCIPLINE and battleworthiness of the U.S. Armed Forces are, with a few salient exceptions, lower and worse than at anytime in this century and possibly in the history of the United States.

    By every conceivable indicator, our army that now remains in Vietnam is in a state approaching collapse, with individual units avoiding or having _refused_ combat, murdering their officers and non commissioned officers, drug-ridden, and dispirited where not near mutinous."

    https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/Vietnam/heinl.html
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  71. @dfordoom

    the NV most certainly did not defeat the US : The US threw in the towel
     
    Giving up and running away because the nasty enemy keeps shooting back at you still counts as losing.

    War is a political struggle. You do understand that don't you? In Vietnam the U.S. discovered that military might can't compensate for political weakness.

    Those 55,000 Americans died for nothing. Their lives were simply thrown away. A tragic waste.

    “Giving up and running away because the nasty enemy keeps shooting back at you still counts as losing.”

    Exactly.

    According to Col. Robert D. Heinl Jr., a decorated combat veteran of two wars, historian and journalist, the U.S. Armed Forces in Vietnam were in a state “approaching collapse”:

    “THE MORALE, DISCIPLINE and battleworthiness of the U.S. Armed Forces are, with a few salient exceptions, lower and worse than at anytime in this century and possibly in the history of the United States.

    By every conceivable indicator, our army that now remains in Vietnam is in a state approaching collapse, with individual units avoiding or having _refused_ combat, murdering their officers and non commissioned officers, drug-ridden, and dispirited where not near mutinous.”

    https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/Vietnam/heinl.html

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  72. map says:
    @Harold Smith
    "Trump is such a hated figure by the deep state..."

    What makes you think that?

    If the "deep state" hates Trump, why did they run Clinton against him rather than the apparently more electable Sanders?

    If the "deep state" hates Trump, why would they ramp up tensions with Russia in the early fall of 2016, when the election was coming into the home stretch, thereby nudging disgruntled Sanders supporters (anti-war Democrats) into Trump's camp, swinging the election to him?

    If the "deep state" hates Trump, why don't they impeach him for his illegal, immoral, unconstitutional and increasingly risky war crimes in Syria for example?

    “What makes you think that?”

    So…let me see if I understand this correctly: You believe that Trump and the Deep State have a deal whereas Trump is painted by the Deep State as either: a) a traitor and collaborator with Russia; b) a racist; c) a serial molester of women and a misogynist; d) a xenophobe; e) an idiot unfit for office and f) a target of every lunatic with an assassination fantasy, and that this giant collaborative effort is one that Trump willingly agreed with.

    What exactly does he get out of it?

    “If the “deep state” hates Trump, why did they run Clinton against him rather than the apparently more electable Sanders?”

    Because, with either Clinton or Jeb Bush, the Deep State gets what it wants. Clinton was their candidate. Bernie Sanders was unelectable, given that Bernie neither wanted to end immigration nor implement the MAGA economic program.

    “If the “deep state” hates Trump, why don’t they impeach him for his illegal, immoral, unconstitutional and increasingly risky war crimes in Syria for example?”

    What war crimes in Syria? Assad is winning.

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    "So…let me see if I understand this correctly: You believe that Trump and the Deep State have a deal whereas Trump is painted by the Deep State as either: a) a traitor and collaborator with Russia; b) a racist; c) a serial molester of women and a misogynist; d) a xenophobe; e) an idiot unfit for office and f) a target of every lunatic with an assassination fantasy, and that this giant collaborative effort is one that Trump willingly agreed with."

    For that matter I saw Bush being bad-mouthed; I saw Obama being bad-mouthed; I saw Hillary Clinton being bad-mouthed; I saw Bernie Sanders being bad-mouthed; I see Trump being bad-mouthed. So what? Talk is distractive. Talk is obfuscatory. Talk is cheap. What ever happened to any of them because of it? NOTHING.

    "What exactly does he get out of it?"

    Alas you've hit upon an important issue: What exactly does he get out of escalating the pointless war in Afghanistan? And mass-murdering people in Syria? And facilitating the genocidal war on Yemen? And provoking Russia in every conceivable way? All of which represent a complete betrayal of the pre-election intimations that got him elected. All of which are clearly destructive to the America he promised he was going to make "great" again.

    "Because, with either Clinton or Jeb Bush, the Deep State gets what it wants."

    That's pure speculation. Would Clinton or Bush be willing to risk nuclear war, i.e., their own deaths, the deaths of their families, and the complete destruction of America, over the "deep state" agenda of world domination and control? You don't know that. It takes a very "special" "person" a real-life "Greg Stillson" to take the risks that Trump is taking for the sake of his masters' agenda.

    "Clinton was their candidate."

    That's pure speculation; and I disagree completely.

    "Bernie Sanders was unelectable, given that Bernie neither wanted to end immigration nor implement the MAGA economic program."

    Or so you apparently believe, but Trump's own people would disagree with you:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/357937-trump-pollster-sanders-would-have-defeated-trump-in-the-presidential

    "What war crimes in Syria? Assad is winning."

    LOL! Seriously? That ridiculous statement gives you away right there.

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  73. @Authenticjazzman
    This is not the point, which is pertaining to a SPECIFIC event, namely the VN War, and the NV most certainly did not defeat the US : The US threw in the towel as they were fighting, due to engagement restrictions, with one hand tied behind their back.
    Plus NV suffered horrendous casualties which do not reflect a defeat of their opponent, the US, period, no matter how much you want to believe the fairy tale claiming that the US lost, and NV won.

    "As you might understand by now": Look buddy I have been "Mensa" qualified for forty-plus years with a tested IQ in the area of 160+, and there in nothing which you can impart to me which I would not be able to "Understand".

    "Reiner Tor" : Translation from German : Pure fool.

    AJM

    The commenter dfordoom already answered your main point, let me just veer off topic a bit.

    If you are intelligent, it will come through in your comments anyway. No reason to write your IQ score to the end of each of your comments. But being intelligent is not the same as being wise. There are high IQ fools, while relatively low IQ people can still possess a lot of wisdom.

    “Reiner Tor” : Translation from German : Pure fool.

    Yes, Einstein, it comes from the Wagner opera Parsifal, where the eponymous protagonist is a pure fool, enlightened by compassion:

    Durch Mitleid wissend,
    der reine Tor,
    harre sein’,
    den ich erkor.

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    " But being intelligent is not the same as being wise"

    Okay I get it : you consider yourself to be "Wise" and myself to be "unwise".
    to which I reply : "Even the Gods dispair in the face of stupidiy"

    " Yes Einstein it comes from the Wagner opera Parsifal"

    Well myself as a professional musician for fifty years plus, and as someone who has studied classical flute performance in conservatory, I have been aware of Wagner (and Parsifal) since before you were born, and I would also say that I am more familiar with Bayreuth than your own self, so touche' and have a nice day.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.

    PS : Pertaining to my redundant mentioning of my IQ status : Ole "Blue eyes", of whom you probably never heard, did in fact at one time advise : "Come blow your horn"

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  74. @dfordoom

    Again pure nonsense : NV = 2.5 million dead : US 55 000.
     
    You fight wars to achieve political objectives. North Vietnam achieved its political objective, therefore it won. The United States failed to achieve its political objective, therefore it lost. That's how it works.

    But keep fantasising that you won if it makes you feel better.

    ” North Vietnam achieved its political objective and therefore it won”

    Okay so North Vietnam’s political objective was apparently to install capitalism, and spread McDonalds and Burger King and Dunkin Donats throughout the country, and to adopt the political system of the, according to you, losers the US, because this is precisely what has happened.
    Hey this is a totally new concept of winning wars : Become like the opponent. Fascinating to say the least.

    Look friend I realize that you, as an America hater, simply must manically stick with the leftist version of the US having lost, no matter what the facts and circumstances, so let’s just agree to not agree and leave it at that.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us Army Vet, and pro Jazz musician.

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  75. @reiner Tor
    The commenter dfordoom already answered your main point, let me just veer off topic a bit.

    If you are intelligent, it will come through in your comments anyway. No reason to write your IQ score to the end of each of your comments. But being intelligent is not the same as being wise. There are high IQ fools, while relatively low IQ people can still possess a lot of wisdom.

    “Reiner Tor” : Translation from German : Pure fool.
     
    Yes, Einstein, it comes from the Wagner opera Parsifal, where the eponymous protagonist is a pure fool, enlightened by compassion:

    Durch Mitleid wissend,
    der reine Tor,
    harre sein',
    den ich erkor.

    ” But being intelligent is not the same as being wise”

    Okay I get it : you consider yourself to be “Wise” and myself to be “unwise”.
    to which I reply : “Even the Gods dispair in the face of stupidiy”

    ” Yes Einstein it comes from the Wagner opera Parsifal”

    Well myself as a professional musician for fifty years plus, and as someone who has studied classical flute performance in conservatory, I have been aware of Wagner (and Parsifal) since before you were born, and I would also say that I am more familiar with Bayreuth than your own self, so touche’ and have a nice day.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.

    PS : Pertaining to my redundant mentioning of my IQ status : Ole “Blue eyes”, of whom you probably never heard, did in fact at one time advise : “Come blow your horn”

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  76. @Authenticjazzman
    "They still won. North Vietnamese1, United States 0."

    Again pure nonsense : NV = 2.5 million dead : US 55 000. Viet Nam now capitalistic and bursting with McDonalds and Burger King.

    If this is the new (your) parameter for winning and losing : Whoever suffers the most casualities and damage is the winner, then we have to go back and re-write all of the history books starting with : Germany and Japan won.

    Look you can't bullshit me friend, as I see through your malarky and I know your one-dimensional leftist mind-set better than you do yourself.
    You simply hate America and you WANT to see it this way, regardless of facts.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us Army Vet, and pro Jazz musician.

    I remember those scenes from April 1975. It sure didn’t seem like victory to me.

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    I remember those scenes from April 1975. It sure didn’t seem like victory to me.
     
    But if you were Mensa-qualified with an IQ of 160 you'd have been able to see it as a glorious victory. Frenchmen who are Mensa-qualified with an IQ of 160 probably celebrate Waterloo as an epic French victory.

    That's the great thing about a high IQ. People with high IQs will believe just about anything. Their high IQ allows them to rationalise away any evidence that conflicts with their prejudices. They become, paradoxically, more stubborn and closed-minded than lower-IQ people.
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  77. @map
    "What makes you think that?"

    So...let me see if I understand this correctly: You believe that Trump and the Deep State have a deal whereas Trump is painted by the Deep State as either: a) a traitor and collaborator with Russia; b) a racist; c) a serial molester of women and a misogynist; d) a xenophobe; e) an idiot unfit for office and f) a target of every lunatic with an assassination fantasy, and that this giant collaborative effort is one that Trump willingly agreed with.

    What exactly does he get out of it?

    "If the “deep state” hates Trump, why did they run Clinton against him rather than the apparently more electable Sanders?"

    Because, with either Clinton or Jeb Bush, the Deep State gets what it wants. Clinton was their candidate. Bernie Sanders was unelectable, given that Bernie neither wanted to end immigration nor implement the MAGA economic program.

    "If the “deep state” hates Trump, why don’t they impeach him for his illegal, immoral, unconstitutional and increasingly risky war crimes in Syria for example?"

    What war crimes in Syria? Assad is winning.

    “So…let me see if I understand this correctly: You believe that Trump and the Deep State have a deal whereas Trump is painted by the Deep State as either: a) a traitor and collaborator with Russia; b) a racist; c) a serial molester of women and a misogynist; d) a xenophobe; e) an idiot unfit for office and f) a target of every lunatic with an assassination fantasy, and that this giant collaborative effort is one that Trump willingly agreed with.”

    For that matter I saw Bush being bad-mouthed; I saw Obama being bad-mouthed; I saw Hillary Clinton being bad-mouthed; I saw Bernie Sanders being bad-mouthed; I see Trump being bad-mouthed. So what? Talk is distractive. Talk is obfuscatory. Talk is cheap. What ever happened to any of them because of it? NOTHING.

    “What exactly does he get out of it?”

    Alas you’ve hit upon an important issue: What exactly does he get out of escalating the pointless war in Afghanistan? And mass-murdering people in Syria? And facilitating the genocidal war on Yemen? And provoking Russia in every conceivable way? All of which represent a complete betrayal of the pre-election intimations that got him elected. All of which are clearly destructive to the America he promised he was going to make “great” again.

    “Because, with either Clinton or Jeb Bush, the Deep State gets what it wants.”

    That’s pure speculation. Would Clinton or Bush be willing to risk nuclear war, i.e., their own deaths, the deaths of their families, and the complete destruction of America, over the “deep state” agenda of world domination and control? You don’t know that. It takes a very “special” “person” a real-life “Greg Stillson” to take the risks that Trump is taking for the sake of his masters’ agenda.

    “Clinton was their candidate.”

    That’s pure speculation; and I disagree completely.

    “Bernie Sanders was unelectable, given that Bernie neither wanted to end immigration nor implement the MAGA economic program.”

    Or so you apparently believe, but Trump’s own people would disagree with you:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/357937-trump-pollster-sanders-would-have-defeated-trump-in-the-presidential

    “What war crimes in Syria? Assad is winning.”

    LOL! Seriously? That ridiculous statement gives you away right there.

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    "For that matter I saw Bush being bad-mouthed; I saw Obama being bad-mouthed; I saw Hillary Clinton being bad-mouthed; I saw Bernie Sanders being bad-mouthed; I see Trump being bad-mouthed. So what? Talk is distractive. Talk is obfuscatory. Talk is cheap. What ever happened to any of them because of it? NOTHING."

    Really? You saw Bush, Obama, Clinton and Bernie being bad-mouthed by their own political party? You saw Obama, Bush and Clinton being completely stymied by their own party members in Congress on an almost daily basis? Since when has a Democrat Party with full control over all three branches of government ever have as hard a time passing legislation like Trump has or has a court system stymieing their initiatives.

    "What exactly does he get out of escalating the pointless war in Afghanistan? And mass-murdering people in Syria? And facilitating the genocidal war on Yemen? And provoking Russia in every conceivable way? All of which represent a complete betrayal of the pre-election intimations that got him elected. All of which are clearly destructive to the America he promised he was going to make “great” again."

    Syria is fighting a civil war with ISIS as manufactured by the deep state. That will be hard to unwind. Yemen is Saudi Arabia's problem. Russia has not been provoked to do anything. A lot moves on inertia and the ebb and flow of battle with the deep state continues. The point is that you don't have a land war on the scale of Iraq. That is a plus.

    "That’s pure speculation. Would Clinton or Bush be willing to risk nuclear war, i.e., their own deaths, the deaths of their families, and the complete destruction of America, over the “deep state” agenda of world domination and control? You don’t know that. It takes a very “special” “person” a real-life “Greg Stillson” to take the risks that Trump is taking for the sake of his masters’ agenda."

    Yes, they would, because Bush started the Iraq war and Clinton bragged about how she would shoot down Russian planes in the one of the debates with Trump. Trump isn't taking any risks at all. He has adeptly kept us out of major conflicts.

    "Or so you apparently believe, but Trump’s own people would disagree with you:"

    And how would Bernie reach out to the less-than-college educated? Handing microphones to any blacks that rushed his stage? Lionizing immigrants? 90% tax rates that crash the economy? Maybe raising money by defrauding universities his wife happens to administer? Did no one tell you that Occupy Wall Street was an astroturf movement of rich kids protesting in front of their parents' offices?

    Show me where we have a protracted Iraq-style land war? Show me these deteriorating international relations? Show me where Trump is somehow a puppet of the deep state?

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    @Diversity Heretic
    I remember those scenes from April 1975. It sure didn't seem like victory to me.

    I remember those scenes from April 1975. It sure didn’t seem like victory to me.

    But if you were Mensa-qualified with an IQ of 160 you’d have been able to see it as a glorious victory. Frenchmen who are Mensa-qualified with an IQ of 160 probably celebrate Waterloo as an epic French victory.

    That’s the great thing about a high IQ. People with high IQs will believe just about anything. Their high IQ allows them to rationalise away any evidence that conflicts with their prejudices. They become, paradoxically, more stubborn and closed-minded than lower-IQ people.

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  79. map says:
    @Harold Smith
    "So…let me see if I understand this correctly: You believe that Trump and the Deep State have a deal whereas Trump is painted by the Deep State as either: a) a traitor and collaborator with Russia; b) a racist; c) a serial molester of women and a misogynist; d) a xenophobe; e) an idiot unfit for office and f) a target of every lunatic with an assassination fantasy, and that this giant collaborative effort is one that Trump willingly agreed with."

    For that matter I saw Bush being bad-mouthed; I saw Obama being bad-mouthed; I saw Hillary Clinton being bad-mouthed; I saw Bernie Sanders being bad-mouthed; I see Trump being bad-mouthed. So what? Talk is distractive. Talk is obfuscatory. Talk is cheap. What ever happened to any of them because of it? NOTHING.

    "What exactly does he get out of it?"

    Alas you've hit upon an important issue: What exactly does he get out of escalating the pointless war in Afghanistan? And mass-murdering people in Syria? And facilitating the genocidal war on Yemen? And provoking Russia in every conceivable way? All of which represent a complete betrayal of the pre-election intimations that got him elected. All of which are clearly destructive to the America he promised he was going to make "great" again.

    "Because, with either Clinton or Jeb Bush, the Deep State gets what it wants."

    That's pure speculation. Would Clinton or Bush be willing to risk nuclear war, i.e., their own deaths, the deaths of their families, and the complete destruction of America, over the "deep state" agenda of world domination and control? You don't know that. It takes a very "special" "person" a real-life "Greg Stillson" to take the risks that Trump is taking for the sake of his masters' agenda.

    "Clinton was their candidate."

    That's pure speculation; and I disagree completely.

    "Bernie Sanders was unelectable, given that Bernie neither wanted to end immigration nor implement the MAGA economic program."

    Or so you apparently believe, but Trump's own people would disagree with you:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/357937-trump-pollster-sanders-would-have-defeated-trump-in-the-presidential

    "What war crimes in Syria? Assad is winning."

    LOL! Seriously? That ridiculous statement gives you away right there.

    “For that matter I saw Bush being bad-mouthed; I saw Obama being bad-mouthed; I saw Hillary Clinton being bad-mouthed; I saw Bernie Sanders being bad-mouthed; I see Trump being bad-mouthed. So what? Talk is distractive. Talk is obfuscatory. Talk is cheap. What ever happened to any of them because of it? NOTHING.”

    Really? You saw Bush, Obama, Clinton and Bernie being bad-mouthed by their own political party? You saw Obama, Bush and Clinton being completely stymied by their own party members in Congress on an almost daily basis? Since when has a Democrat Party with full control over all three branches of government ever have as hard a time passing legislation like Trump has or has a court system stymieing their initiatives.

    “What exactly does he get out of escalating the pointless war in Afghanistan? And mass-murdering people in Syria? And facilitating the genocidal war on Yemen? And provoking Russia in every conceivable way? All of which represent a complete betrayal of the pre-election intimations that got him elected. All of which are clearly destructive to the America he promised he was going to make “great” again.”

    Syria is fighting a civil war with ISIS as manufactured by the deep state. That will be hard to unwind. Yemen is Saudi Arabia’s problem. Russia has not been provoked to do anything. A lot moves on inertia and the ebb and flow of battle with the deep state continues. The point is that you don’t have a land war on the scale of Iraq. That is a plus.

    “That’s pure speculation. Would Clinton or Bush be willing to risk nuclear war, i.e., their own deaths, the deaths of their families, and the complete destruction of America, over the “deep state” agenda of world domination and control? You don’t know that. It takes a very “special” “person” a real-life “Greg Stillson” to take the risks that Trump is taking for the sake of his masters’ agenda.”

    Yes, they would, because Bush started the Iraq war and Clinton bragged about how she would shoot down Russian planes in the one of the debates with Trump. Trump isn’t taking any risks at all. He has adeptly kept us out of major conflicts.

    “Or so you apparently believe, but Trump’s own people would disagree with you:”

    And how would Bernie reach out to the less-than-college educated? Handing microphones to any blacks that rushed his stage? Lionizing immigrants? 90% tax rates that crash the economy? Maybe raising money by defrauding universities his wife happens to administer? Did no one tell you that Occupy Wall Street was an astroturf movement of rich kids protesting in front of their parents’ offices?

    Show me where we have a protracted Iraq-style land war? Show me these deteriorating international relations? Show me where Trump is somehow a puppet of the deep state?

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    You are right on the money with your accessments, however forget about this HS guy, as he is just another brain-washed leftist fool with no ability to see things clearly.

    Regarding BS : He is just another expale of a corrupt leftist parasite and con artist, who has lived off of the hapless taxpayers his entire life such as crazy Joe.
    The insane Germans love him : BS, and they are still moaning about him not being in the WH.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained us Army vet, and pro Jazz artist.

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  80. map says:
    @Twodees Partain
    "Like it or not, the survival of him and his family depends on the destruction of the Left."

    If that's true, then Trump is a goner.

    There is movie called “Mother Night” based on the book by the same name by Kurt Vonnegut. Nick Nolte plays a Nazi radio propagandist who was actually a spy for the allies and helping to funnel coded messages to the allied powers.

    Thing is, he ended up in an Israeli prison because the State Department had to disavow his existence.

    Do you think Trump is the Nick Nolte character on behalf of the Deep State?

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    Yes, that would fit. I liked that novel, but I don't remember seeing the movie.
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  81. @map
    "For that matter I saw Bush being bad-mouthed; I saw Obama being bad-mouthed; I saw Hillary Clinton being bad-mouthed; I saw Bernie Sanders being bad-mouthed; I see Trump being bad-mouthed. So what? Talk is distractive. Talk is obfuscatory. Talk is cheap. What ever happened to any of them because of it? NOTHING."

    Really? You saw Bush, Obama, Clinton and Bernie being bad-mouthed by their own political party? You saw Obama, Bush and Clinton being completely stymied by their own party members in Congress on an almost daily basis? Since when has a Democrat Party with full control over all three branches of government ever have as hard a time passing legislation like Trump has or has a court system stymieing their initiatives.

    "What exactly does he get out of escalating the pointless war in Afghanistan? And mass-murdering people in Syria? And facilitating the genocidal war on Yemen? And provoking Russia in every conceivable way? All of which represent a complete betrayal of the pre-election intimations that got him elected. All of which are clearly destructive to the America he promised he was going to make “great” again."

    Syria is fighting a civil war with ISIS as manufactured by the deep state. That will be hard to unwind. Yemen is Saudi Arabia's problem. Russia has not been provoked to do anything. A lot moves on inertia and the ebb and flow of battle with the deep state continues. The point is that you don't have a land war on the scale of Iraq. That is a plus.

    "That’s pure speculation. Would Clinton or Bush be willing to risk nuclear war, i.e., their own deaths, the deaths of their families, and the complete destruction of America, over the “deep state” agenda of world domination and control? You don’t know that. It takes a very “special” “person” a real-life “Greg Stillson” to take the risks that Trump is taking for the sake of his masters’ agenda."

    Yes, they would, because Bush started the Iraq war and Clinton bragged about how she would shoot down Russian planes in the one of the debates with Trump. Trump isn't taking any risks at all. He has adeptly kept us out of major conflicts.

    "Or so you apparently believe, but Trump’s own people would disagree with you:"

    And how would Bernie reach out to the less-than-college educated? Handing microphones to any blacks that rushed his stage? Lionizing immigrants? 90% tax rates that crash the economy? Maybe raising money by defrauding universities his wife happens to administer? Did no one tell you that Occupy Wall Street was an astroturf movement of rich kids protesting in front of their parents' offices?

    Show me where we have a protracted Iraq-style land war? Show me these deteriorating international relations? Show me where Trump is somehow a puppet of the deep state?

    You are right on the money with your accessments, however forget about this HS guy, as he is just another brain-washed leftist fool with no ability to see things clearly.

    Regarding BS : He is just another expale of a corrupt leftist parasite and con artist, who has lived off of the hapless taxpayers his entire life such as crazy Joe.
    The insane Germans love him : BS, and they are still moaning about him not being in the WH.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained us Army vet, and pro Jazz artist.

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  82. @map
    There is movie called "Mother Night" based on the book by the same name by Kurt Vonnegut. Nick Nolte plays a Nazi radio propagandist who was actually a spy for the allies and helping to funnel coded messages to the allied powers.

    Thing is, he ended up in an Israeli prison because the State Department had to disavow his existence.

    Do you think Trump is the Nick Nolte character on behalf of the Deep State?

    Yes, that would fit. I liked that novel, but I don’t remember seeing the movie.

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