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Friday, President Donald Trump met in New Jersey with his national security advisers and envoy Zalmay Khalilzad, who is negotiating with the Taliban to bring about peace, and a U.S. withdrawal from America’s longest war.

U.S. troops have been fighting in Afghanistan since 2001, in a war that has cost 2,400 American lives.

Following the meeting, Trump tweeted, “Many on the opposite sides of this 19 year war, and us, are looking to make a deal — if possible!”

Some, however, want no deal; they are fighting for absolute power.

Saturday, a wedding in Kabul with a thousand guests was hit by a suicide bomber who, igniting his vest, massacred 63 people and wounded 200 in one of the greatest atrocities of the war. ISIS claimed responsibility.

Monday, 10 bombs exploded in restaurants and public squares in the eastern city of Jalalabad, wounding 66.

Trump is pressing Khalilzad to negotiate drawdowns of U.S. troop levels from the present 14,000, and to bring about a near-term end to U.S. involvement in a war that began after we overthrew the old Taliban regime for giving sanctuary to Osama bin Laden.

Is it too soon to ask: What have we gained from our longest war? Was all the blood and treasure invested worth it? And what does the future hold?

If the Taliban could not be defeated by an Afghan army, built up by the U.S. for a decade and backed by 100,000 U.S. troops in 2010-2011, then are the Taliban likely to give up the struggle when the U.S. is drawing down the last 14,000 troops and heading home?

The Taliban control more of the country than they have at any time since being overthrown in 2001. And time now seems to be on their side.

Why have they persevered, and prevailed in parts of the country?

Motivated by a fanatic faith, tribalism and nationalism, they have shown a willingness to die for a cause that seems more compelling to them than what the U.S.-backed Afghan government has on offer.

They also have the guerrillas’ advantage of being able to attack at times and places of their own choosing, without the government’s burden of having to defend towns and cities.

Will these Taliban, who have lost many battles but not the war, retire from the field and abide by democratic elections once the Americans go home? Why should they?

The probability: When the Americans depart, the war breaks out anew, and the Taliban ultimately prevail.

And Afghanistan is but one of the clashes and conflicts in which America is engaged.

Severe U.S. sanctions on Venezuela have failed to bring down the Nicholas Maduro regime in Caracas but have contributed to the immiseration of that people, 10% of whom have left the country. Trump now says he is considering a quarantine or blockade to force Maduro out.

Eight years after we helped to overthrow Col. Moammar Gadhafi, Libya is still mired in civil war, with its capital, Tripoli, under siege.

ORDER IT NOW

Yemen, among the world’s humanitarian disasters, has seen the UAE break with its Saudi interventionist allies, and secessionists split off southern Yemen from the Houthi-dominated north. Yet, still, Congress has been unable to force the Trump administration to end all support of the Saudi war.

Two thousand U.S. troops remain in Syria. The northern unit is deployed between our Syrian Kurd allies and the Turkish army. In the south, they are positioned to prevent Iran and Iranian-backed militias from creating a secure land bridge from Tehran to Baghdad to Damascus to Beirut.

In our confrontation with Iran, we have few allies.

The Brits released the Iranian tanker they seized at Gibraltar, which had been carrying oil to Syria. But when the Americans sought to prevent its departure, a Gibraltar court ruled against the United States.

Iran presents no clear or present danger to U.S. vital interests, but the Saudis and Israelis see Iran as a mortal enemy, and want the U.S. military rid them of the menace.

Hong Kong protesters wave American flags and seek U.S. support of their demands for greater autonomy and freedom in their clash with their Beijing-backed authorities. The Taiwanese want us to support them and sell them the weapons to maintain their independence. The Philippines wants us to take their side in the dispute with China over tiny islets in the South China Sea.

We are still committed to go to war to defend South Korea. And the North has lately test-fired a series of ballistic missiles, none of which could hit the USA, but all of which could hit South Korea.

Around the world, America is involved in quarrels, clashes and confrontations with almost too many nations to count.

In how many of these are U.S. vital interests imperiled? And in how many are we facing potential wars on behalf of other nations, while they hold our coat and egg us on?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. KenH says:

    It’s too bad Trump didn’t win in 2016 since he said he would end all of these obligations. Oh crap, he did win but has delivered the same old globalist and donor class foreign policies that his predecessors did with some cosmetic differences.

    We’ve been in Afghanistan going on 19 years and even if we’re there 25 or 30yrs it won’t change the inevitable fact that after we leave there will be a civil war in which the Taliban will emerge victorious and reassume power. More than a trillion bucks, two thousand or so American lives and tens of thousands of Afghan lives will have been a gigantic waste.

    But the real question is how many Afghan refugees will America be forced to accept once we pull out? As if we don’t have enough die-versity in America already. Coming to a neighborhood near us soon.

  2. Imperial Washington seeks global hegemony. The conflicts Pat lists are impediments to global hegemony. That’s why Imperial Washington is involved.

    Even given these premises, one part of Pat’s column leaves me stupefied.

    Trump is pressing Khalilzad to negotiate drawdowns of U.S. troop levels from the present 14,000, and to bring about a near-term end to U.S. involvement in [the Afghan] war;

    Just when does a foreign leader control even Imperial Washington’s troops levels in that foreign country/corner of the Empire? Trump should just inform Khalilzad what those troops levels are to be, and when the involvement of Imperial Washington will end. I wonder who’s the real puppet here?

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  3. BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!!!

    or

    We draft all the White Male War Hawk-Chickenhawk yelling “WHAT A STUD TYRONE!!!” in every SEC Football Stadium this fall……no exceptions…

    And the Chickenhawk-Warhawk Sean Hannity gets drafted also into the US Army…Combat Engineer duty….mine clearing duty Afghanistan….as do the PEDERASTS over at the National Review….

    Tom Brady gets drafted also into the US Army also.. ..off you go to Afghanistan Tommy….US Army…Combat Engineer duty…mine clearing duty…..They got to protect OUR FREEDOM…

    • Replies: @Paw
  4. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    Glossary*

    “our” – interests of the Establishment that tries to rule the American and as many other people as possible

    “us” – the Establishment that tries to rule the American and as many other people as possible

    “we” – the Establishment that tries to rule the American and as many other people as possible

    *for this and all other Buchanan columns

  5. Chinaman says:

    It Is funny Americans thinks foreigners all around the world wants America to save them when American is most hated people in the world.

    They think they are saviours when they are actually the oppressors, responsible for more war crimes than Nazi Germany.

  6. Paw says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    And now ,where is The War on Terror and when Afganistan needs badly to help and now ..
    Is USA going to leave the whole world to Islamic terror ??

  7. anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:

    A lot can be lost in a quick withdrawal. If the last US troops and the embassy have to run out of there, the world will see a humiliating retreat.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  8. Rich says:

    Over 2,300 of our boys have died in Afghanistan, another 20,000 wounded. Are we willing to have let these men suffer for nothing but a little exercise? There is no need to withdraw, the Taliban are stuck living in caves and underground, coming out only occasionally to commit terror attacks on mostly women, children and civilians. It’s way too late for the US to retreat from the world, our economy, our high standard of living, would be seriously damaged if we didn’t maintain our hegemony over the rest of the world. We live and die by the petrodollar now, sorry.

  9. anon19 says:

    If the USA had half a brain (and wasn’t controlled by Jews) it would withdraw from Afghanistan. And Germany. And Japan. And South Korea. And Europe. And………

  10. Is it too soon to ask: What have we gained from our longest war? Was all the blood and treasure invested worth it? And what does the future hold?

    If twenty years in is too soon, I hesitate to imagine what too late might look like.

    The USA, sadly, is increasingly resembling a total train wreck here at home.

    The last thing we should be doing is pretending to remake other countries.

    But hark! Do you hear the far-off sound of hands being rubbed together?

  11. In these chaotic times, as we increasingly risk plunging into nuclear war, it is essential that states protect their vital interests, without imperilling them in doing so. When core interests are undermined – posing an existential threat – nations will go to war, even nuclear war. That is what the nuclear powers need to avoid.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  12. Realist says:

    When, If Ever, Can We Lay This Burden Down?

    Many years ago if the Deep State allowed it.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  13. Realist says:
    @KenH

    It’s too bad Trump didn’t win in 2016 since he said he would end all of these obligations. Oh crap, he did win but has delivered the same old globalist and donor class foreign policies that his predecessors did with some cosmetic differences.

    Huh…that’s weird…almost like there is a Deep State.

  14. Realist says:
    @Chinaman

    It Is funny Americans thinks foreigners all around the world wants America to save them when American is most hated people in the world.

    Not all Americans…your stereotyping is annoying…shorty.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  15. wesmouch says:

    The 2016 election is a tale of two numbers: 62 million and $100 million.
    The former is the number of people who voted for Trump. He promised to end illegal immigration, stop the endless wars and negotiate better trade deals. The $100 million is what Sheldon Adelson gave to Trump and the GOP.
    The voters got nothing for their 62 million votes. Adelson’s contribution has paid off in spades:
    1. Moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem
    2. Recognizing Israeli sovereignty over the Golan heights
    3. Escalation of pressure on Iran and an attempt to goad them into war
    4. Installation of Zionists and neocons in key positions of power (Pompeo and Bolton)
    5. Jared Kushner in control of US foreign policy. Jared has the intelligence of a door knob and the personality of a damp rag so in effect US foreign policy has been outsourced to Jared’s Orthodox Rabbi friends.
    I guess Israel can say “Trump has been very good to me”, the American people not so much.
    Trump should change his motto from “America First” to “Israel First”

    • Agree: follyofwar, anon19, El Dato
  16. @Rich

    /the Taliban are stuck living in caves and underground, coming out only occasionally to commit terror attacks on mostly women, children and civilians/

    False.

    The Taliban have targeted mainly security forces:

    https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2019/07/30/more-civilians-have-died-by-afghan-forces-allies-than-by-militants-in-afghanistan-in-the-first-half-of-2019-un-says/

    The U. S. is responsible for more civilian death than either the Taliban or IS:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/30/world/asia/afghanistan-civilian-casualties.html?login=email&auth=login-email

  17. Gordo says:

    The Taliban stopped the growing of opium poppies, they also stopped the vile sex abuse of boys. This was done because they believed such activities were against the Koran.

    After the Western invasion both practices returned, in spades.

    Frankly the Taliban are probably what Afghanistan needs.

    • Agree: AnonStarter, Rurik
  18. @KenH

    Good comment Ken H. Except that you are falling into Buchanan speak..

    “WE’VE been in Afghanistan going on 19 years and even if WE’RE there 25 0r 30yrs it won’t change the inevitable fact that after WE leave…”
    “…once WE pull out. As if WE don’t have enough die-versity in America already.”

    That’s 5 WE’s in 2 short paragraphs. I’m only poking a little fun as so many Buchanan readers have commented about his annoying overuse of the word WE.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @KenH
    , @Tony
  19. @anonymous

    SO WHAT?

    The US imperialists suffered a humiliating retreat (and defeat) in Vietnam, another war Washington shouldn’t have fought. And now Vietnam has become a valued trading partner, which could have happened without millions of Vietnamese and fifty thousand American deaths.

    When the US imperialists/oligarchs engage in endless wars of Empire, which do nothing for the people of this country, it deserves nothing more than “humiliating retreats” as well as humiliating defeats.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  20. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    And should “our” boys still be in Vietnam?

    • Replies: @Rich
  21. @Paw

    If there was a Military Draft of all the War Hawk Chicken Hawks…no exceptions….The US Military would have pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq a long time ago…..

    The Taliban are very popular among the People of Afghanistan…

    The Taliban are Patriotic young Afghani Men who are the Native Resistance against the US Corporate Gang Rape of Afghanistan…..

    And the young Men of the Taliban are the resistance against GLOBAL HOMO TRUMP AND GLOBAL HOMO OLD FARTING BOOMER GRANNY ELIZABETH WARREN….WAR CRIMINALS!!

  22. @KenH

    But the real question is how many Afghan refugees will America be forced to accept once we pull out? As if we don’t have enough die-versity in America already. Coming to a neighborhood near us soon.

    Treasonous US Senators such as Jeanne Shaheen(D-NH) are doing all they can to flood as much Afghanistan REFUGEE OVERLOAD into the USA as they possibly can.

    The now dead US Senator John McCain was working with Jeanne Shaheen to keep the Afghanistan REFUGEE OVERLOAD floodgates open.

    Shaheen and McCain had a plot to pull millions of Afghanistan Refugee Third Worlders into the USA.

    The treasonous JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire is using REFUGEE OVERLOAD as a demographic weapon to attack and destroy the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    REFUGEE OVERLOAD increases housing costs, lowers wages, swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals, increases income inequality, harms the environment, causes urban and suburban sprawl and destroys cultural cohesion and cultural integrity in the USA.

    REFUGEE OVERLOAD brings infectious diseases, rampant crime, radical Islamic terrorism and multicultural mayhem to the USA.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  23. anarchyst says:

    “Knesset West”, the present U S Congress has to go…If I had my way, any congressperson who took the junket to israel would lose their united States citizenship immediately and be permanently banned from re-entering the USA. Any attempts to enter the USA by these traitors would result in prosecution for TREASON. As much as I detest Tlaib and Omar’s politics, they are absolutely correct to call out israel’s interference in U S politics and with their refusal to sign the “loyalty oath” to israel (that most of congress has signed).

  24. nsa says:
    @Rich

    “Over 2300 of our boys have died in Afghanistan…….”
    Our boys? Mostly low IQ white trash, visible minorities, lesbian chicks, sprinkling of don’t ask homos……no loss, really, except in the minds of you aging boomers still fighting the big one from high atop your bar stools at the VFW lounge.

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Patricus
    , @RadicalCenter
  25. Rich says:
    @anonymous

    Had we remained in S Vietnam it would look like S Korea today, a prosperous, free nation and staunch ally. The Reds had already been defeated, they’d come crawling to the negotiating table begging for peace after Operation Linebacker. The problem was that after the coup that removed Nixon, the pinko dem Congress that took over refused to fulfill our treaty obligations by sending air support, supplies and the necessary troops. A shame that the commies, both Vietnamese and American, were able to steal a victory and cause so much pain and suffering.

    • Replies: @anon19
    , @davidgmillsatty
  26. @Charles Pewitt

    All excellent examples, Charles.

    As the saying goes, you invade the Third World, you invite the Third World. The ruling Taliban said they would have turned Bin Ladin over to the US if the Bush Admin had shown them any evidence that he was involved in 9/11. Bush/Cheney had none – because there was none. And Afghanistan was an easy scapegoat as they had no means of fighting back.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  27. Putting the cart before the horse Buchanan pretends the USA is interfering in all these conflicts because they’re being asked to when in fact those regimes ‘asking’ are invariably in power because of US backing and ‘asking’ for US help is their job.

    Just one example. Of course the Taliban will take back control eventually, they are the legitimate expression of the most inclusive Aghani majority. They are for example not sectarian in a region where almost everyone else is. The fact is the puppet giovernment are the former drug lords and their gangs who were repressed under the Taliban.

  28. Patricus says:
    @nsa

    All the military people are poor white trash? A bit of an exageration, no?

    • Replies: @anon
  29. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    Pat’s Pronoun Propaganda is one of Exceptionalia’s leading brands of brainwashing fluid. We (the real we) should call it out every time because you never know when the next sheep might wake up.

  30. GeeBee says:
    @Chinaman

    ‘ responsible for more war crimes than Nazi Germany.’

    Not too difficult a task, if the truth be known…

    • Agree: Bill Jones
  31. GeeBee says:
    @Rich

    ‘ our economy, our high standard of living, would be seriously damaged if we didn’t maintain our hegemony over the rest of the world.’

    Your standard of living is in permanent decline precisely because your evil masters insist on trying to impose the American nightmare – excuse me, I mean ‘dream’ – on the rest of the world. Ever since the USA decided it was going to take over from Great Britain – an opportunity to do so was provided of course in the 1930s and early ’40s – the world has become a nightmare and the American people have seen their sons killed and maimed while their standard of living has plumetted. This is the way of the Jewing, from Egypt to Babylon to Rome to Tel Aviv-on-the-Hudson and finally all the way to DC.

    The world would become an infinitely better place were the USA to dissolve into the ether tomorrow morning.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @RadicalCenter
  32. Rich says:
    @GeeBee

    Whatever you call it, it’s way past the point of changing it. At least not from what I see. The petrodollar and the MIC are keeping the US at the top of the heap and if we turn from this path now, we will see a precipitous decline. Maybe you America haters will be right and we’ll go the way of the Mogul empire, maybe not, but you won’t see a Ron Paul/Pat Buchanan retrenchment any time soon.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @bluedog
  33. KenH says:
    @follyofwar

    That’s 5 WE’s in 2 short paragraphs. I’m only poking a little fun as so many Buchanan readers have commented about his annoying overuse of the word WE.

    Looks like I’m giving ole Pat a run for his money! I didn’t even realize it until you pointed it out.

    You could say I’m afflicted with Buchananitis which I guess is the use and overuse of the pronouns “we” and “our” for an American nation that only serves Jewish and other narrow special interests and not its people.

  34. G says:

    US-troops will be stationed in Afghanistan until the government in Teheran is overthrown and an Israel-/Saudi subservient US-puppet is installed. And good luck with that!

    It was never about Taliban or Osama bin Laden, but about encirceling and containing Iran. Lithium and poppy fields for heroin money fueled merc/black ops are a nice bonus. “Democracy, elections, human rights” is just background noise. And IF “nation building” ever actually took place in Afghanistan, the Americans never did it, but ISAF. Just like with the victims of war: the USA does the killing, Europe gets the refugees.

    One I met personally. Arms cut down to his bones from all his suicide attempts. Family still in Afghanistan. Spoke almost fluent German already. Central-Asian/Uzbekh minority. Called him Elvis for his haircut. His father was officer in the Northern Alliance. Told me, if the Taliban got back into power they would murder his entire family. The family was still in Afghanist. Also told me how the Americans rounded up civilians in his village into a barn-like building and had a tank fire at it. I had no proof to confirm his tale of course, but saw no reason to believe he lied to me either.

    a near-term end to U.S. involvement in a war that began after we overthrew the old Taliban regime for giving sanctuary to Osama bin Laden.

    The agencies probably knew back then that bin Laden was already in or on his way to Pakistan. I remember seeing an interview on TV, already almost twenty years in the past now…, in that somewhat surreal scene where this Taliban leader, who had previously run a PC shop in the US, asked for proofs that Osama did 9/11 and the American talking-head said: “We don’t need proof, we know he did it.” And then Afghanistan got bombed shortly after. Probably as Perle or Wolfowitz had planned years before 9/11 even had happened.

    It’s such a joke at this point.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  35. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Patricus

    If you’re so dumb that you’ve got to sign up for 6 years in the Army just to learn a trade, then how smart are you?
    World War One was the last time anyone with any brains volunteered, after that Conscription was introduced to raise the standard to acceptable.

  36. anon19 says:
    @Rich

    South Korea a “staunch ally”? The alliance works solely to its benefit. American troops defend South Korea. South Korea does not defend or protect America. The USA has spent billons on South Korea. South Korea has never spent a dime on the USA.

    • Replies: @Rich
  37. “In how many of these are U.S. vital interests imperiled? And in how many are we facing potential wars on behalf of other nations, while they hold our coat and egg us on?”

    Which ‘other nations’, Pat? As far as I can tell, Israel is one other nation, though it’s more accurately a shitty little country than a nation. That’s who is holding our coat and egging us on. Come all the way home and just tell it like it is. You might feel better if you do.

  38. @Realist

    ” When, If Ever, Can We Lay This Burden Down?

    Many years ago if the Deep State allowed it.”

    True. In the present, we can lay this burden down juat as soon as we get the Israeli monkey off our back.

  39. anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    Everyone in America will feel depressed for a while about losing a war and being mocked about it by the world on live TV. Shouldn’t be dismissed as a real interest of the American people to avoid this.

  40. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Everyone can be sent an Exceptional participation trophy, free shipping by Amazon if they want the $19.95 DVD collection of highlights.

  41. When you ask?

    When the US economy crumbles and the US Dollar turns to toilet paper.

    And this coming depression will be much worse than the last one because this time the entire world will kick the US’s corpse. It’s like a whole town shooting, stabbing and bludgeoning the town bully when they finally have the opportunity.

  42. And the endless pronoun propaganda parade moves on.

    Can it, Paddy

  43. @G

    ” I remember seeing an interview on TV, already almost twenty years in the past now…, in that somewhat surreal scene where this Taliban leader, who had previously run a PC shop in the US, asked for proofs that Osama did 9/11 and the American talking-head said: “We don’t need proof, we know he did it.””

    The Taliban offered to turn Bin Laden over to a third part for trial if the US presented evidence that he was involved in 9/11.
    The official US response?
    “We don’t need no stinking evidence”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5

    • Replies: @Donald A Thomson
  44. Rich says:
    @anon19

    S Korean troops served with the Americans in Vietnam and were among the most feared units in country. They’ve also sent troops to assist the US military in most of our other conflicts, including the Iraq war and the Afghan war. Our two countries are joined by a brotherhood of blood.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    , @anon19
  45. KenH says:

    So after 19 years the U.S. has failed to turn the Pashtun Taliban and other Afghans into passive Wal-Mart shoppers and decadent Joe six pack negro ball watchers. The manicured and coiffed generals with their man teat bling just can’t seem to fathom how a people pride religion, ethnic allegiances and fierce opposition to foreign, especially non-Muslim occupation and influence, over Western materialism and decadence.

    No number of MOAB’s or soccer balls, food packs and flu shots will ever change that reality so the U.S. may as well just go home and let the Afghans be. But neither to the primitive, brutish and backward Muslim Afghans belong in America or anywhere else in the West as “refugees”.

  46. @nsa

    If you think our white soldiers are mostly low IQ, you don’t know enough of them well enough.

    As for the other US soldiers, no comment.

    And if you use the term white trash- you shouldn’t be in this country, whatever your race, you arrogant, disloyal prick.

    Are you part of the Sprinkling yourself?

  47. @GeeBee

    I appreciate the sentiment and depth of feeling, but that’s a grave exaggeration.

    If any of the three current great military powers were to collapse overnight — which means, become unambiguously unable to project meaningful non-nuclear power far from its shores — it could destabilize the world too much and lead to more conflict and violence. It would be the golden chance for the other powers to do whatever they’ve been deterred from doing. Ask the Uighur and other non-Han central Asians, and the Taiwanese, and the Philippines, what that might entail….

    Best for us actual Americans, and for the world, would be a gradual, managed retrenchment and restraint of the US government: withdrawing most but not all US troops abroad, closing most but not US bases abroad (keeping bases near shipping chokepoints like the Panama Canal, Straits of Hormuz, etc.), reducing US gov’s belligerent interference (invasions, drone attacks, economic sanctions) but striving to increase trade, tourism, and cultural exchange in both directions.

    Moreover, a collapse in our economy — and the further precipitous collapse in social trust, or manifestation of the collapse that’s already been happening — could lead a president to start a war. A president of either party would readily start a war with the intent of distracting people and getting re-elected despite the growing poverty, lack of opportunity, and inter-group hatred here at home. The US gov / military might lose and be humiliated, but the disloyal and sociopathic presidents we have had, would not hesitate to try it.

  48. @Rich

    Expecting the USA to fail tells us nothing about loving or hating the USA.

    I am a proud American and love my nation, my people, and my traditional culture. Why should that make me pretend I don’t know that our economy, society, and even military are weaker and more corrupt than we are told, are getting worse overall, and look set to continue declining in relative and then in absolute terms.

    • Replies: @Rich
  49. Rurik says:

    In how many of these are U.S. vital interests imperiled? And in how many are we facing potential wars on behalf of other nations, while they hold our coat and egg us on?

    Six million was not enough for Patrick J. Buchannan!

    Just like the isolationists and America firster anti-Semites during the World Wars, willing to let the Jews be gassed and turned into soap and lampshades, so too today we have their ideological kinsmen, willing to let the second Holocaust happen in the Holy Land, all because six million wasn’t enough for some anti-Semites!

    America exists to serve the Jews! Didn’t Pat read the Bible. God helps those what kill and die for Israel!

    God curses those what talk about “wars on behalf of other nations”.

    Read the Bible Pat!

  50. Burden for some, prize for others.

    A way of encircling Iran and Russia both.

  51. G says:

    Exactly. Because the agenda and war-plan had already been laid out years before the first bomb even dropped. 9/11 just gave the Neocons the pretence to bomb and occupy all these countries. As Wesley Clark (himself Jewish) had mentioned in this now famous speech. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw Although the speech does not mention Israel and Netanyahu/Likud.

    Does remind me of Roosevelt’s and Churchills’ guarantees to the group of Polish Colonels which ultimately led to the start of WW2. We’re all living under the reality of Pax Americana; too bad its actually not the New Rome™

  52. Rich says:
    @RadicalCenter

    I don’t disagree with anything you’ve written, my point is that the US economy is inextricably tied to the petrodollar, and the MIC. If either of those fail, I think the US economy goes down with it. People have forgotten what life was like in the US prior to WW2. There was plenty of poverty and hardship. For better or worse, our present prosperity is linked to our international expansion.

  53. Gordo says:
    @Rich

    S Korean troops served with the Americans in Vietnam and were among the most feared units in country.

    They managed to be more hated than the Yanks which took some doing. Didn’t Westmorland send them home?

  54. MEexpert says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Just when does a foreign leader control even Imperial Washington’s troops levels in that foreign country/corner of the Empire? Trump should just inform Khalilzad what those troops levels are to be, and when the involvement of Imperial Washington will end. I wonder who’s the real puppet here?

    Khalilzad is not a foreign leader. He is the US ambassador in Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
  55. Angharad says:
    @Rich

    (((Rich))) “Our boys” were killed and maimed for Israel’s heroin trade. Dagda only know how many Afghanis were killed. MANY places in America no longer enjoy a high standard of living. Many thousands of Americans live in worse conditions than Afghanis do.

    If you really want to create a high standard of living for the world, and end the mayhem and misery, Expulsion 110 is the only answer. And this must be GLOBAL.

  56. @Chinaman

    Most Americans don’t think that at all. Only our leaders/owners.

  57. @Rich

    Rich a/k/a chickenhawk. Get thee to Afghanistan and stay till it becomes the prosperous nation you always thought it could be.

  58. @Rich

    We should have commercialized liquid fluoride thorium reactors, the technology which we proved at Oak Ridge and Shippingport in the 60’s and 70’s. We could commercialize it an ramp it up in a few years and legitimately not need any of the world’s energy sources. Once energy is abundant and cheap, all kinds of possibilities arise.

  59. bluedog says:
    @Rich

    Screw the petrodollar the MIC and the idiots that suck up to it, for the reality is the petrodollar is fast becoming a wet dream, while they suck the country dry creating junk by the MIC.Only an idiot would trade American lives and millions of other lives so that mom and pop and junior can have a little left over to run to Wally World and the closest fast food joint.~!!!

    • Replies: @Rich
  60. Long ago, this ceased to be a war for the US. Sure, there are occasional skirmishes, but it’s really just an Occupation with hardly any US soldiers getting killed.

    If day in and day out, Americans came back in body bags from Afghanistan, there would be an outcry to end it. But American occupiers are mostly safe, and Taliban is just biding for time.

    So, it’s time to stop calling it the Afghan War and start calling it the Afghan Occupation.

  61. @MEexpert

    Thank you for the correction. But why should the U.S. be negotiating troop levels, even through this Khalilzad? The troops are in the employ of Imperial Washington, let Imperial Washington decide how many need to continue in this fool’s errand.

    Putting a Sunni Muslim Afghan-American in charge of negotiating troops levels seems to me an exceptionally stupid choice, even for Imperial Washington!

  62. Rich says:
    @bluedog

    The problem is, you youngsters have no historical education. You’re unfamiliar with the poverty that was common in the US prior to WW2. It has nothing to do with “Wally World”, it has to do with being able to find a job and lead a decent life. Read about the Great Depression, the poverty in the slums of NY and Chicago and other cities. The scratch farming done by White, yes White, sharecroppers. Both American lives and other lives will be lost whether it’s the US at the top, or the Chicoms or whoever. You youngsters have had the benefit of a soft life, you don’t understand that the prosperity and freedom we’ve had for the last 70 years is due to the Pax Americana that’s ruled most of the world since the War. You may not live to see it, but if the days comes that your children or grandchildren live through, or after the fall of the US, they will look back at this era as the Golden Age of Mankind.

    • Replies: @G
    , @SolontoCroesus
  63. @Rich

    Fair point that you make. But should we go to war, or threaten war, against countries that contract to buy and sell things (oil and natural gas, for example) in currencies other than ours.

  64. anon19 says:
    @Rich

    You just don’t get it.

    The USA should never have been in Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan.

    The only thing you have right is the blood part. Needless blood.

    • Replies: @Rich
  65. G says:
    @Rich

    I appreciate the foreward directness of your posts. A rare honest American. And not only is it a counter-balance to the knowledge I acquire, the more I realize the full extent of the JQ, but it also debunks the mono-causal, simplistic story of Alt-Right types “The Jews made us do it!”

    As your posts highlight, the USA was and is ready to ruthlessly act out of its own self-interest. Whether its with “soft” measures like kicking out the Europeans of the dollar zone, one factor which forced us to establish the Euro; or indeed making sure that Europe (and Russia) are engulfed in world wars, so ultimately the USA would come out on top of the game as world hegemon and the drunkard Churchill ruining the British Empire in the process.

    My own family being at the receiving end of the consequences of your foreign policy, in terror bombing campaigns, ethnic cleansing, torture and almost mass murder when you fought at the side of Stalin, I know what “Pax Americana” actually meant and means. As a matter of fact I don’t really see a significant change in real US foreign policy since from before WW1 to today. The USA is not an ally of Europe, it never was, but an occupying, hostile force.

    And so I can only hope the European Union grows ever stronger and stable despite all of US meddeling, even though I absolutely loath its political establishment, because under Trump the USA has shown its true colors again; colors it had at least since when it made the deal with the devil with Rothschild money, organized World Jewry and Zionism, to own the world. For a while.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    , @Rich
  66. @G

    Imperial Washington is lurching toward its “Varian moment,” in some future Teutoberger Wald. The people who actually inhabit the United States will be better off when the empire falls, although it will require a rough transition period. Assuming, of course, that Imperial Washington’s elite aren’t so bat-shit crazy as to use nuclear weapons to save its legions.

  67. Rich says:
    @G

    You’d be surprised to know that I’d say upwards of 75% of Americans would prefer a US withdrawal from the world. I personally always favored the Ron Paul foreign policy and backed Pat Buchanan and his “Fortress America”. A little bit older, and a little more well read, has brought me to the conclusion that The US and its Allies cannot risk a pullback without bringing about a worldwide financial crash. Poverty is just around the corner, Europeans knew it for centuries, and its only under the Pax Americana that so many have done so well. It’s something called “realpolitik”.

    You don’t say where your family “suffered” under US “terror bombing”. If they were Germans in WW2, that was an unnecessary war, but it was still a war and the US has been Germany’s closest ally since the war ended. Without US support, you’d all be speaking East German and kneeling before Bolshevik scum. Keep in mind, also, that the US was supporting most European nations by preventing German dominance of the continent, nations like Britain, France Netherlands, Denmark, Belgium, even the poor Poles and other Eastern Europeans who ended up losing to the Reds.

  68. Rich says:
    @anon19

    By fighting the murderous Reds in Vietnam the US showed these bloodthirsty communists that they would have to fight for every inch of land they thirsted after. The Vietnam War was an honorable fight and the only shameful part is that after the US withdrew, the pinkos who seized power in the US with the coup against Nixon backed the Reds against the South and refused to fulfill our promises of support to the S Vietnamese people.

    • Replies: @anon19
  69. @Rich

    If the wars US & allies fought in Europe in order to create such a “golden age” were so admirable, why is USA so loathe to tell the whole truth about it?

    I assume you are a senior, perhaps w/ children & grandchildren.

    Do you murder and steal to acquire their birthday presents?
    Do you tell them what you did to acquire the stolen goods?
    “But we were poor — there was a depression — the only way we could acquire the goodies we craved was by killing the “best gentiles” and taking what they had produced.

    That is why a collapse of the US economy is so terrifying: USAians do not really have a history of achieving great things simply by applying very hard work and ingenuity to the abundant resources available to them: they are locked into the same falsified narrative as you are, Rich, of the “Golden” era of the world wars, when USA bombed the shit out of “the best gentiles” — their own kin — as a means of solving their economic and social problems.

    • Replies: @Rich
  70. Rich says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Find me the era in the history of mankind where wars weren’t fought, where people didn’t murder and steal, where poverty wasn’t common. The Pax Americana isn’t perfect, I agree, but so far it’s the best we’ve ever had. Were the Greeks kind to those they defeated in their day? The Romans? The Mongols? The Normans? Anyone? Even the Brits were worse than the Americans.

    If you’re referring to the Germans as “the best gentiles”, I’m not so sure I agree with you. If they were the best, they would’ve won. That being said, I agree with those historians who believe WW2 was a mistake and that much of the killing could have been avoided. The real enemy was communism and the expansionist Bolsheviks, but the leaders of the era didn’t agree with my 20/20 hindsight.

    To say that Americans haven’t been able to “achieve great things” is absurd and sounds like sour grapes to me. Americans have done very well with their natural resources and ingenuity and if you weren’t so bitter and biased you’d be able to admit that.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  71. Never is a long time. We can lay this burden down when the last Jew departs this earth, which won’t be long now, I give it another 2,000 years.

    Until then, enjoy the shit show.

  72. @Rich

    “Bitter and biased.”

    Not bitter; angry, perhaps.
    Biased?
    No, the opposite; the question you did not address: If the world wars were such crowning achievements for USA, why is the full story not told, especially to our children?

    You rely on, “All wars are devastating,” but WWII is broadly acknowledged to have been the most destructive in human history. Somehow, Hitler is blamed for the destruction of both sides (even tho Allies caused far more destruction in Italy, France, Sophia, etc. than Germans did).

    How many movies have been made of the deliberate firebombing of German civilians? How many American school children attend mandatory classes on “Allied Firebombing” ? How many museums are there to the sustained psychological warfare carried out against the German people?

    Something haunts me about Raskolnikov: he could rationalize the murder of the old lady (he regretted the murder of Lizaveta). But he continues to believe that stealing is inexcusable; he hides the bag of treasure — as if to wash his hands of that most ignoble of crimes.

    USA stole superpower status rather than contend for it in vigorous competition with Germany & others.
    That’s just plain sucky.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @Rich
  73. Rich says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I agree with you that the US and its allies, especially the Soviets, went way too far in their attacks on civilian population centers and their refusal to make peace with the Germans before total destruction was rained down on an already defeated people. Many of us know about the firebombings and the mistreatment of POWs and civilians. I have several German relatives on my wife’s side of the family who lived through that hell, as well as having worked with many German technicians and mechanics who served in the German military in WW2, when I was a younger man. I’m in no way trying to justify the often illegal acts that took place during, and after the war. But war is war and afterwards the Germans and Americans were able to become close allies. Even those I worked with who surrendered to the US or Britain at the end of the war told me they had respect for the American and British soldiers who treated them with dignity and respect.

    As for “stealing” sole super power status, that’s the way the game is played. The race doesn’t always go to the swiftest runner, as they say, right? I believe the US has been the most benevolent superpower in History and I defy anyone to find me a nation that treated its defeated enemies with as much graciousness as the US did in the years after WW2.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Rurik
  74. Rurik says:
    @Rich

    As for “stealing” sole super power status, that’s the way the game is played. The race doesn’t always go to the swiftest runner, as they say, right? I believe the US has been the most benevolent superpower in History and I defy anyone to find me a nation that treated its defeated enemies with as much graciousness as the US did in the years after WW2.

    More German were killed (horrifically) after the war was “over”, than during the conflict.

    I didn’t have time last night to give a proper reply to this POS.

    What the shithead needs to be reminded of, as a rotten apologist for ZUS sadistic treachery, is the trajectory of Uncle Sam’s serial crimes and atrocities.

    And that trajectory is leading very rabidly to an Orwellian hell on earth. With genocidal Talmudic supremacists unleashing all the sadism of their pent-up butt-hurt on a humanity that has no idea they’re slated to be the next Kulaks/Palestinians.

    “that’s the way the game is played”, the troll will chide us, but tell that to the Iraqis or Libyans or Syrians or Yemenis or Russian in Donbas or Afghans, whose wedding celebrations are punctuated by flying body parts.

    The troll would just put that all down to ‘how it’s done’, but what he’s specifically ignoring is that this is ‘how it will be done’ to us as well, when the time is convenient, and he knows it.

    He’s just another one of those ‘Judeo-Christian’ lying shills pretending that Zion is as American as apple pie.

    What a rat.

    • Replies: @Rich
  75. Rich says:
    @Rurik

    You’re really off your bird, ain’t you? Are you frothing at the mouth and waving your arms in the air while your wife and kids cower in the corner as you rant and rave and use foul language? Calm down, you’re nothing special, just another guy (enjoying the wealth and freedom provided to you by America) with an opinion typing furiously like it matters. If you think your “Libyans or Syrians or Yemenis…” are so special, why don’t you buy a bus ticket and move to one of those utopias. You’re just another poser, running your mouth (and your fingers). Buy yourself a book on etiquette and learn how to argue politely.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  76. Rurik says:
    @Rich

    You’re really off your bird, ain’t you? Are you frothing at the mouth and waving your arms in the air while your wife and kids cower in the corner as you rant and rave and use foul language? Calm down, you’re nothing special, just another guy (enjoying the wealth and freedom provided to you by America) with an opinion typing furiously like it matters. If you think your “Libyans or Syrians or Yemenis…” are so special, why don’t you buy a bus ticket and move to one of those utopias. You’re just another poser, running your mouth (and your fingers). Buy yourself a book on etiquette and learn how to argue politely.

    the lady doth protest!

    lol

    It’d be more dignified if you just put your omega dog tail between your legs and crept away.

    • LOL: Rich
  77. Tony says:
    @follyofwar

    What you mean we, Kemosabe?

  78. @follyofwar

    After 9/11 Bush had to fight SOMEBODY. So we got a war with those lousy Talibanners.
    He couldnt invade Israel!

  79. anon19 says:
    @Rich

    You are such a lost cause.

  80. @Bill Jones

    “What part of what I’m saying don’t you understand? We won’t be producing any evidence.” [email protected]

  81. @anonymous

    being mocked about it by the world on live TV

    A perfectly reasonable motivation for people to keep dying: to avoid being “mocked” by random foreign assholes on the TV. This may be the most stereotypically “American” take on war ever.

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