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“If I don’t win, this will be the greatest waste of time, money and energy in my lifetime,” says Donald Trump.

Herewith, a dissent. Whatever happens Tuesday, Trump has made history and has forever changed American politics.

Though a novice in politics, he captured the Party of Lincoln with the largest turnout of primary voters ever, and he has inflicted wounds on the nation’s ruling class from which it may not soon recover.

Bush I and II, Mitt Romney, the neocons and the GOP commentariat all denounced Trump as morally and temperamentally unfit. Yet, seven of eight Republicans are voting for Trump, and he drew the largest and most enthusiastic crowds of any GOP nominee.

Not only did he rout the Republican elites, he ash-canned their agenda and repudiated the wars into which they plunged the country.

Trump did not create the forces that propelled his candidacy. But he recognized them, tapped into them, and unleashed a gusher of nationalism and populism that will not soon dissipate.

Whatever happens Tuesday, there is no going back now.

How could the Republican establishment advance anew the trade and immigration policies that their base has so thunderously rejected?

How can the GOP establishment credibly claim to speak for a party that spent the last year cheering a candidate who repudiated the last two Republican presidents and the last two Republican nominees?

Do mainstream Republicans think that should Trump lose a Bush Restoration lies ahead? The dynasty is as dead as the Romanovs.

The media, whose reputation has sunk to Congressional depths, has also suffered a blow to its credibility.

Its hatred of Trump has been almost manic, and WikiLeaks revelations of the collusion between major media and Clintonites have convinced skeptics that the system is rigged and the referees of democracy are in the tank.

But it is the national establishment that has suffered most.

The Trump candidacy exposed what seems an unbridgeable gulf between this political class and the nation in whose name it purports to speak.

Consider the litany of horrors it has charged Trump with.

He said John McCain was no hero, that some Mexican illegals are “rapists.” He mocked a handicapped reporter. He called some women “pigs.” He wants a temporary ban to Muslim immigration. He fought with a Gold Star mother and father. He once engaged in “fat-shaming” a Miss Universe, calling her “Miss Piggy,” and telling her to stay out of Burger King. He allegedly made crude advances on a dozen women and starred in the “Access Hollywood” tape with Billy Bush.

While such “gaffes” are normally fatal for candidates, Trump’s followers stood by him through them all.

Why? asks an alarmed establishment. Why, in spite of all this, did Trump’s support endure? Why did the American people not react as they once would have? Why do these accusations not have the bite they once did?

Answer. We are another country now, an us-or-them country.

Middle America believes the establishment is not looking out for the nation but for retention of its power. And in attacking Trump it is not upholding some objective moral standard but seeking to destroy a leader who represents a grave threat to that power.

Trump’s followers see an American Spring as crucial, and they are not going to let past boorish behavior cause them to abandon the last best chance to preserve the country they grew up in.

These are the Middle American Radicals, the MARs of whom my late friend Sam Francis wrote.

They recoil from the future the elites have mapped out for them and, realizing the stakes, will overlook the faults and failings of a candidate who holds out the real promise of avoiding that future.

ORDER IT NOW

They believe Trump alone will secure the borders and rid us of a trade regime that has led to the loss of 70,000 factories and 5 million manufacturing jobs since NAFTA. They believe Trump is the best hope for keeping us out of the wars the Beltway think tanks are already planning for the sons of the “deplorables” to fight.

Moreover, they see the establishment as the quintessence of hypocrisy. Trump is instructed to stop using such toxic phrases as “America First” and “Make America Great Again” by elites who think 55 million abortions since Roe is a milestone of moral progress.

And what do they have in common with a woman who thinks partial-birth abortion, which her predecessor in the Senate, Pat Moynihan, called “infanticide,” is among the cherished “reproductive rights” of women?

While a Trump victory would create the possibility of a coalition of conservatives, populists, patriots and nationalists governing America, should he lose, America’s future appears disunited and grim.

But, would the followers of Donald Trump, whom Hillary Clinton has called “racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic … bigots,” to the cheers of her media retainers, unite behind her should she win?

No. Win or lose, as Sen. Edward Kennedy said at the Democratic Convention of 1980, “The work goes on, the cause endures.”

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of the new book “The Greatest Comeback: How Richard Nixon Rose From Defeat to Create the New Majority.”

Copyight 2016 Creators.com.

 
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  1. Donald makes the case concisely in this powerful ad that Steve Sailer posted a few days ago.

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  2. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I guess she’ll be somebody’s President. The oligarchy’s, anyhow.

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  3. A bit early for an eulogy; the guy hasn’t lost yet…

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  4. Doors have been opened. The unspeakable has been spoken.

    The Empire has no clothes.

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  5. Jason Liu says:

    Only a small number of urban whites care about Trump’s level of racism/sexism/bigotry. Minorities just use that a cover for racial interests. Trump’s boorishness is not really uncommon outside of western politics, and in general is just how men talk before they’re brainwashed by western colleges.

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  6. Trump did not create the forces that propelled his candidacy. But he recognized them, tapped into them, and unleashed a gusher of nationalism and populism that will not soon dissipate.

    Whatever happens Tuesday, there is no going back now.”

    Agreed. But Trump’s success was not the only, singular token of those forces. There was also Bernie (who, regrettably, didn’t seem anywhere near as resentful of the scandalous connivance the DNC and Hillary’s camp used to eliminate him as I would have been).

    Indeed, this newfound American rejection of the status quo seems to span all four parties, Dems, Repubs, Greens and Libertarians. And, that’s why I don’t give all the credit to Trump.

    It’s surely not going away.

    LF

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  7. 22pp22 says:

    In Britain, Muslim rape gangs have groomed, raped, pimped and drugged at least 60,000 white children.

    Channel 4, the Times, the BBC, the police and social services all knew but felt that the lives of white trash girls were worth less than the hurt feelings of Muslims.

    By covering up the truth, the “elite” condemned thousands of children an early dose of venereal disease. Yet they seem incapable of recognising that they did anything wrong.

    Their obvious contempt for me and mine is now reciprocated with interest. I despise them and do not consider them either “elite” or in any way the legitimate representatives of the British people. They remain in power only because they have imported tame voters from the Third World.

    Those tame voters despise them almost as almost as much as I do but lend them temporary support because it is still in their interest to do so.

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    60000, if that's true the culprits should all be hanged! I know quite a bit about Islam and I regret you calling the Moslem rape gangs. That's similar to Christian or Talmudic pimps! Shame on your characterization of the religion by your choice of words. Does this betray your bias, ask yourself!
    , @Frank M.
    I don't know. Your 60,000 number has the feel of 9/11 and the holocaust : staged and made up! it is perhaps for that reason that you neglected to choose name, even a fake one!
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  8. Of course there is “going back now”. Ross Perot had a movement opposing NAFTA, where is it now? The only realty that exists is reality as seen on TV, and on mainstream websites/social media. If Trump loses, he is going to be ridiculed and purged away. Any attempt to bring up his points will be scorned as ‘trumpism’ (or something). You lose – you lose.

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  9. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Ross Perot had a movement opposing NAFTA

    It could be argued that Perot was a fringe, however visible, candidate. Trump, votes-vise, is a giant compared to Perot. Plus, the times of Perot and Trump in US couldn’t have been more different. Historical and political analogies always have to be applied very cautiously.

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    It could be argued that Perot was a fringe, however visible, candidate.
     
    Well, 19% of the vote in 1992; 20 million people. He was in the debates, and he was taken more or less seriously at the time. I mean, he wasn't ridiculed and bullied as much as Trump this time around.

    Nevertheless, pretty soon after that, the 'deep state' and its media created a new conventional wisdom: 'trade is good'. Trade is good, protectionism is awful. Global neoliberalism. And it still is conventional wisdom. If you disagree that 'trade is good', you're a crackpot...
    , @NoseytheDuke
    H. Ross Perot never had the charisma, confidence or the verbal chops that DT has. The main things Perot had going for him were patriotism, wealth and being right on the threat of NAFTA. Perot's family was threatened in the end. That Trump has gotten this far leads me to believe that he's just Plan B of the establishment, who at some point intend to discredit the political system entirely so that a new one, under establishment control, will be welcomed by the somnolent masses.
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  10. Svigor says:

    Pat hit this one out of the park.

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  11. Well said Pat. I read this first at TAC, a magazine founded by yourself if I am not mistaken. Your views regarding Trump have been consistently opposed at TAC by Rod Dreher, a social conservative torn between his populist proclivities and his love of hierarchy. I often wonder. Have you ever tried talking to this guy?

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    TAC = Pat 'n' Taki ($$$)
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  12. Mark Caplan says: • Website

    If Trump loses, there is no one else to take up the mantle. The alt-right bench is so shallow, Trump couldn’t find even a single V.P. candidate who even modestly reflected his own political views.

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    It's not that dire, although obviously there are few "Alt-Right simpatico" politicians, per se; why would there be? It's a relatively new movement. However, Trump could have chosen someone more suitable on a couple of key issues, like Jeff Sessions. It's just that Trump felt he had to choose a cuckservative to tamp down the near constant mutiny he was facing from Ryan and the other open borders, free trade corporate shills.
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  13. @Andrei Martyanov

    Ross Perot had a movement opposing NAFTA
     
    It could be argued that Perot was a fringe, however visible, candidate. Trump, votes-vise, is a giant compared to Perot. Plus, the times of Perot and Trump in US couldn't have been more different. Historical and political analogies always have to be applied very cautiously.

    It could be argued that Perot was a fringe, however visible, candidate.

    Well, 19% of the vote in 1992; 20 million people. He was in the debates, and he was taken more or less seriously at the time. I mean, he wasn’t ridiculed and bullied as much as Trump this time around.

    Nevertheless, pretty soon after that, the ‘deep state’ and its media created a new conventional wisdom: ‘trade is good’. Trade is good, protectionism is awful. Global neoliberalism. And it still is conventional wisdom. If you disagree that ‘trade is good’, you’re a crackpot…

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  14. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Well, 19% of the vote in 1992; 20 million people. He was in the debates, and he was taken more or less seriously at the time. I mean, he wasn’t ridiculed and bullied as much as Trump this time around.

    The USA then was a different country. Dramatically different with what it is today. Do I have to list those tectonic differences?

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    Fair enough, I guess.

    However: while on the one hand the country wasn't affected by neoliberalism as much as it is now - although I do remember, around that time, a bunch of autoworkers in Detroit smashing, with a sledgehammer, a Toyota on TV - on the other hand, the country still had, as I remember, some relatively influential industrial unions. Today, it's all completely atomized; there's no anti-globalist organizational structure to speak of. Mr Trump gets on a podium and makes a speech - thousands come to listen and cheer. Mr Trump goes to play golf, and poof - it's all gone...
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  15. Realist says:

    It does not matter at all to the Republican establishment if they never hold power again. Their agenda will be served well by the Democrat agenda. Both party’s power elite have the same goals.
    That is why the, asshole, George H W Bush is voting for Hillary, That is why Paul Ryan and other Republican elites did not back Trump.

    This country is doomed. It is on a shit slide to hell.

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  16. @Andrei Martyanov

    Well, 19% of the vote in 1992; 20 million people. He was in the debates, and he was taken more or less seriously at the time. I mean, he wasn’t ridiculed and bullied as much as Trump this time around.
     
    The USA then was a different country. Dramatically different with what it is today. Do I have to list those tectonic differences?

    Fair enough, I guess.

    However: while on the one hand the country wasn’t affected by neoliberalism as much as it is now – although I do remember, around that time, a bunch of autoworkers in Detroit smashing, with a sledgehammer, a Toyota on TV – on the other hand, the country still had, as I remember, some relatively influential industrial unions. Today, it’s all completely atomized; there’s no anti-globalist organizational structure to speak of. Mr Trump gets on a podium and makes a speech – thousands come to listen and cheer. Mr Trump goes to play golf, and poof – it’s all gone…

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  17. Dwright says:

    Well now a substancial portion of Americans know that free trade isn’t so good.
    When it started to hit home for non working class folks, eyes opened up.

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  18. @Mark Caplan
    If Trump loses, there is no one else to take up the mantle. The alt-right bench is so shallow, Trump couldn't find even a single V.P. candidate who even modestly reflected his own political views.

    It’s not that dire, although obviously there are few “Alt-Right simpatico” politicians, per se; why would there be? It’s a relatively new movement. However, Trump could have chosen someone more suitable on a couple of key issues, like Jeff Sessions. It’s just that Trump felt he had to choose a cuckservative to tamp down the near constant mutiny he was facing from Ryan and the other open borders, free trade corporate shills.

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  19. @Andrei Martyanov

    Ross Perot had a movement opposing NAFTA
     
    It could be argued that Perot was a fringe, however visible, candidate. Trump, votes-vise, is a giant compared to Perot. Plus, the times of Perot and Trump in US couldn't have been more different. Historical and political analogies always have to be applied very cautiously.

    H. Ross Perot never had the charisma, confidence or the verbal chops that DT has. The main things Perot had going for him were patriotism, wealth and being right on the threat of NAFTA. Perot’s family was threatened in the end. That Trump has gotten this far leads me to believe that he’s just Plan B of the establishment, who at some point intend to discredit the political system entirely so that a new one, under establishment control, will be welcomed by the somnolent masses.

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    Perot was there to elect Clinton. But, yes, his message was right. I wonder who made him to suspend his campaign (Bush?) and who convinced him that he could resume it (Clinton?) later?
    , @jacques sheete

    ...he’s just Plan B of the establishment, who at some point intend to discredit the political system entirely so that a new one, under establishment control, will be welcomed by the somnolent masses.
     
    You are undoubtedly correct. In contrast to PB's sanguinity, the ruling connivers never rest. Never. The struggle is never over.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    That Trump has gotten this far leads me to believe that he’s just Plan B
     
    He is not. He is a genuine article. He is the first, almost genuine, American nationalist in White House since who knows when. There was no Plan "B" current US political "elites" are dumb and arrogant, they don't even have Plan "A" to start with. Look at the results of their "activity" all around you.
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  20. CCZ says:

    NYT’s Paul Krugman is upset (NYT online).

    What we do know is that people like me, and probably like most readers of The New York Times, truly didn’t understand the country we live in. We thought that our fellow citizens would not, in the end, vote for a candidate so manifestly unqualified for high office, so temperamentally unsound, so scary yet ludicrous.

    We thought that the nation, while far from having transcended racial prejudice and misogyny, had become vastly more open and tolerant over time.

    We thought that the great majority of Americans valued democratic norms and the rule of law.

    It turns out that we were wrong. There turn out to be a huge number of people — white people, living mainly in rural areas — who don’t share at all our idea of what America is about. For them, it is about blood and soil, about traditional patriarchy and racial hierarchy. And there were many other people who might not share those anti-democratic values, but who nonetheless were willing to vote for anyone bearing the Republican label.

    I don’t know how we go forward from here. Is America a failed state and society? It looks truly possible.

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    An acolyte of the deep state and the harpy extolling the rule of law like Krugman does is either naive, cynical or both. Excellent work Mr. Buchanan at creating a movement which hopefully has finally halted the suicidal path the yankee imperium has been following the last 30 years. I am breathing much easier now.
    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    "Rule of law", Paulie Nonuts? Are you seriously putting forth the vile, power-hungry, money-grubbing criminal Clintons as the defenders of the "rule of law"?
    , @Randal

    What we do know is that people like me, and probably like most readers of The New York Times, truly didn’t understand the country we live in. We thought that our fellow citizens would not, in the end, vote for a candidate so manifestly unqualified for high office, so temperamentally unsound, so scary yet ludicrous.

    We thought that the nation, while far from having transcended racial prejudice and misogyny, had become vastly more open and tolerant over time.
     

    You all thought that censoring, suppressing and excluding dissident opinion was the same as defeating it in debate, and that the resulting absence of real dissent from the media and political top tables meant that real dissent was weak.

    You [Krugman et al.] were wrong.

    , @Erebus

    I don’t know how we go forward from here. Is America a failed state and society? It looks truly possible.
     
    Yeah, Paul, it failed because the people at the top of the pyramid failed it.
    They went abroad looking for monsters to destroy while guys like you covered for them, celebrating their crimes, and blithely ignoring the fact that the social contract between the top of the pyramid and the base was breaking down. Karma is a bitch.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Compare Krugman's letter to that of the The American Iranian Council -- which one represents the America you want to live in?

    http://www.us-iran.org/news/2016/11/9/aic-statement-on-the-us-election

    AIC Statement on the U.S. Election


    The American Iranian Council congratulates Donald John Trump for winning the historic election and becoming the 45th President of the United States.

    As a long-standing non-profit, non-partisan and educational organization, AIC has nearly three decades of experience working with administrations on both sides of the political aisle. We are well-positioned and well-prepared to work with the new Trump Administration to achieve meaningful results towards improved understanding and better U.S.-Iran relations.

    The election of a new American president is always a crucial juncture in foreign relations. AIC was established in 1990 just after President Bill Clinton took office, and our very first conference, U.S.-Iran Relations in the Clinton Administration, addressed some of the challenges ahead for the two countries, and offered AIC's recommendations moving forward. In 2009, shortly after President Obama had taken office, Congressman Dennis Kucinich delivered AIC’s 2009 White Paper to the President. Many of the recommendations put forward in that White Paper were ultimately implemented.

    In 2017, when President Donald Trump takes office, AIC will continue its tradition of thought leadership and of advising the new administration. We will deliver President Trump a White Paper with our policy prescriptions for building upon the JCPOA and for promoting increased dialogue and understanding between the two countries. We will outline areas of common interest and of divergence between the United States and Iran, and map out recommendations for effective diplomatic, people-to-people, and business engagements between the two nations.

    Furthermore, in the spirit of the election, which is a time for renewal and an opportunity to consider new ideas, AIC will also implement new initiatives that promote high-profile cultural diplomacy among the younger generations and academics, and will publish significant research on issues standing between Washington and Tehran in the hope of mitigating pervasive misperceptions and building goodwill among the two nations. More details on these initiatives will soon follow and, in the meantime, we look forward to input from you.

    We end by noting again that the entire organization of AIC including our Board of Directors, Honorary Board Members, Advisory Council, and staff extend their congratulations to Donald Trump on his historic election. We also offer our full support to him in dealing with the challenges ahead, and wish him the best in serving the nation, world peace, international development, and global justice.

    Senator J. Bennett Johnston
    Chairman
    Dr. Hooshang Amirahmadi
    President and Founder
     
    , @nsa
    Just come out and say it....krugstein is fairly typical of the km (kosher media) i.e. a vile jooie traitor spreading foreign commie ideas harmful to decent people who work for a living.
    , @edNels
    who in hell cares about that sneaky little rat?
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  21. @CCZ
    NYT's Paul Krugman is upset (NYT online).

    What we do know is that people like me, and probably like most readers of The New York Times, truly didn’t understand the country we live in. We thought that our fellow citizens would not, in the end, vote for a candidate so manifestly unqualified for high office, so temperamentally unsound, so scary yet ludicrous.

    We thought that the nation, while far from having transcended racial prejudice and misogyny, had become vastly more open and tolerant over time.

    We thought that the great majority of Americans valued democratic norms and the rule of law.

    It turns out that we were wrong. There turn out to be a huge number of people — white people, living mainly in rural areas — who don’t share at all our idea of what America is about. For them, it is about blood and soil, about traditional patriarchy and racial hierarchy. And there were many other people who might not share those anti-democratic values, but who nonetheless were willing to vote for anyone bearing the Republican label.

    I don’t know how we go forward from here. Is America a failed state and society? It looks truly possible.
     

    An acolyte of the deep state and the harpy extolling the rule of law like Krugman does is either naive, cynical or both. Excellent work Mr. Buchanan at creating a movement which hopefully has finally halted the suicidal path the yankee imperium has been following the last 30 years. I am breathing much easier now.

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  22. donald trump just won ahahahaha, suck it hillary.

    I think even the people who did the polls was in on it till the very last second.

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  23. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Hillary can still serve the people of the USA…by serving the rest of her life in prison for her foul crimes, her cons and her murderous ways.

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  24. Let me combine a perhaps over simple observation with an imaginative parallel from the past.

    The latter is that quite well meaning establishments have walked unseeing into disaster over long periods before. Think of the British and other upper classes before World War 1. That helps perhaps in understanding the degree of blind complacency which has allowed America’s elites/establishment to fail to spend just a little of the possible peace dividend after 1990 on guaranteeing a rising standard of living for the middle and lower classes instead of profligate war making. Because that is the great ground for criticising the establishment: it’s stupidity.

    How could there be such stupidity? The simple answer from some would emphasise the malign effects of neo-con and Israel First policies but a more interesting one, arriving at no certainty, would point out that neither a nation nor an establishment has just one brain in which everything relevant can be organised and analysed so as to produce a single coherent policy outcome.

    The incoherent outcomes of struggles amongst those able to make some contact with the levers of power naturally don’t leave much over when the powerful who want munificent after tax rewards for their contributions to the economy contend with those who want expensive wars in the Middle East or the export of what the US ludicrously calls democracy. So the powerless are losers and end up voting for Trump.

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    I love it, you just called 70-80% of americans powerless losers after they just elected trump as president hours ago. hahahaha
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  25. Wally says:

    Where’s that creep, ‘Boris’?

    Trump Wins !!!

    Deal with it.

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  26. I’ll tell you what Trump hath wrought: Deplorable no longer!

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  27. Congratulations with President Trump. Now keep him alive for four years.

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  28. BenKenobi says:

    God Bless the President-Elect, Donald J Trump.

    Long live the God-Emperor!

    This
    . Is only the beginning…

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  29. Ha-ha, amazing. Beautiful. Another brexit it is, indeed.

    And let liberal hatred for poor Jill Stein commence…

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  30. @CCZ
    NYT's Paul Krugman is upset (NYT online).

    What we do know is that people like me, and probably like most readers of The New York Times, truly didn’t understand the country we live in. We thought that our fellow citizens would not, in the end, vote for a candidate so manifestly unqualified for high office, so temperamentally unsound, so scary yet ludicrous.

    We thought that the nation, while far from having transcended racial prejudice and misogyny, had become vastly more open and tolerant over time.

    We thought that the great majority of Americans valued democratic norms and the rule of law.

    It turns out that we were wrong. There turn out to be a huge number of people — white people, living mainly in rural areas — who don’t share at all our idea of what America is about. For them, it is about blood and soil, about traditional patriarchy and racial hierarchy. And there were many other people who might not share those anti-democratic values, but who nonetheless were willing to vote for anyone bearing the Republican label.

    I don’t know how we go forward from here. Is America a failed state and society? It looks truly possible.
     

    “Rule of law”, Paulie Nonuts? Are you seriously putting forth the vile, power-hungry, money-grubbing criminal Clintons as the defenders of the “rule of law”?

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  31. Woke up this morning, world turned upside down! Yeah! My dream come true. DJT, a man born within weeks of me, a native NYer like me with ideas like mine, toughed out all the insults, put Paul Krugman and others like him in their place. I’m an Ivy grad and know what these phonies are like, know how greedy and narcissistic (the new pop`word) they are, know that Pat Buchanan would have made a great president, hope DJT has him as Sec. of State.

    Happy to see that Obama will be the David Dinkins of presidents and that there’ll be no rush to put a woman in the White House.

    It’s morning in America again, people, and I salute you from the Southern Cone in the hope the USA will now be a country to which I’d wish to return. It certainly wouldn’t have been had the election gone to HRC.

    The Sleeping Giant appears to have awakened!

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  32. Randal says:
    @CCZ
    NYT's Paul Krugman is upset (NYT online).

    What we do know is that people like me, and probably like most readers of The New York Times, truly didn’t understand the country we live in. We thought that our fellow citizens would not, in the end, vote for a candidate so manifestly unqualified for high office, so temperamentally unsound, so scary yet ludicrous.

    We thought that the nation, while far from having transcended racial prejudice and misogyny, had become vastly more open and tolerant over time.

    We thought that the great majority of Americans valued democratic norms and the rule of law.

    It turns out that we were wrong. There turn out to be a huge number of people — white people, living mainly in rural areas — who don’t share at all our idea of what America is about. For them, it is about blood and soil, about traditional patriarchy and racial hierarchy. And there were many other people who might not share those anti-democratic values, but who nonetheless were willing to vote for anyone bearing the Republican label.

    I don’t know how we go forward from here. Is America a failed state and society? It looks truly possible.
     

    What we do know is that people like me, and probably like most readers of The New York Times, truly didn’t understand the country we live in. We thought that our fellow citizens would not, in the end, vote for a candidate so manifestly unqualified for high office, so temperamentally unsound, so scary yet ludicrous.

    We thought that the nation, while far from having transcended racial prejudice and misogyny, had become vastly more open and tolerant over time.

    You all thought that censoring, suppressing and excluding dissident opinion was the same as defeating it in debate, and that the resulting absence of real dissent from the media and political top tables meant that real dissent was weak.

    You [Krugman et al.] were wrong.

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  33. Erebus says:
    @CCZ
    NYT's Paul Krugman is upset (NYT online).

    What we do know is that people like me, and probably like most readers of The New York Times, truly didn’t understand the country we live in. We thought that our fellow citizens would not, in the end, vote for a candidate so manifestly unqualified for high office, so temperamentally unsound, so scary yet ludicrous.

    We thought that the nation, while far from having transcended racial prejudice and misogyny, had become vastly more open and tolerant over time.

    We thought that the great majority of Americans valued democratic norms and the rule of law.

    It turns out that we were wrong. There turn out to be a huge number of people — white people, living mainly in rural areas — who don’t share at all our idea of what America is about. For them, it is about blood and soil, about traditional patriarchy and racial hierarchy. And there were many other people who might not share those anti-democratic values, but who nonetheless were willing to vote for anyone bearing the Republican label.

    I don’t know how we go forward from here. Is America a failed state and society? It looks truly possible.
     

    I don’t know how we go forward from here. Is America a failed state and society? It looks truly possible.

    Yeah, Paul, it failed because the people at the top of the pyramid failed it.
    They went abroad looking for monsters to destroy while guys like you covered for them, celebrating their crimes, and blithely ignoring the fact that the social contract between the top of the pyramid and the base was breaking down. Karma is a bitch.

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  34. @CCZ
    NYT's Paul Krugman is upset (NYT online).

    What we do know is that people like me, and probably like most readers of The New York Times, truly didn’t understand the country we live in. We thought that our fellow citizens would not, in the end, vote for a candidate so manifestly unqualified for high office, so temperamentally unsound, so scary yet ludicrous.

    We thought that the nation, while far from having transcended racial prejudice and misogyny, had become vastly more open and tolerant over time.

    We thought that the great majority of Americans valued democratic norms and the rule of law.

    It turns out that we were wrong. There turn out to be a huge number of people — white people, living mainly in rural areas — who don’t share at all our idea of what America is about. For them, it is about blood and soil, about traditional patriarchy and racial hierarchy. And there were many other people who might not share those anti-democratic values, but who nonetheless were willing to vote for anyone bearing the Republican label.

    I don’t know how we go forward from here. Is America a failed state and society? It looks truly possible.
     

    Compare Krugman’s letter to that of the The American Iranian Council — which one represents the America you want to live in?

    http://www.us-iran.org/news/2016/11/9/aic-statement-on-the-us-election

    AIC Statement on the U.S. Election

    The American Iranian Council congratulates Donald John Trump for winning the historic election and becoming the 45th President of the United States.

    As a long-standing non-profit, non-partisan and educational organization, AIC has nearly three decades of experience working with administrations on both sides of the political aisle. We are well-positioned and well-prepared to work with the new Trump Administration to achieve meaningful results towards improved understanding and better U.S.-Iran relations.

    The election of a new American president is always a crucial juncture in foreign relations. AIC was established in 1990 just after President Bill Clinton took office, and our very first conference, U.S.-Iran Relations in the Clinton Administration, addressed some of the challenges ahead for the two countries, and offered AIC’s recommendations moving forward. In 2009, shortly after President Obama had taken office, Congressman Dennis Kucinich delivered AIC’s 2009 White Paper to the President. Many of the recommendations put forward in that White Paper were ultimately implemented.

    In 2017, when President Donald Trump takes office, AIC will continue its tradition of thought leadership and of advising the new administration. We will deliver President Trump a White Paper with our policy prescriptions for building upon the JCPOA and for promoting increased dialogue and understanding between the two countries. We will outline areas of common interest and of divergence between the United States and Iran, and map out recommendations for effective diplomatic, people-to-people, and business engagements between the two nations.

    Furthermore, in the spirit of the election, which is a time for renewal and an opportunity to consider new ideas, AIC will also implement new initiatives that promote high-profile cultural diplomacy among the younger generations and academics, and will publish significant research on issues standing between Washington and Tehran in the hope of mitigating pervasive misperceptions and building goodwill among the two nations. More details on these initiatives will soon follow and, in the meantime, we look forward to input from you.

    We end by noting again that the entire organization of AIC including our Board of Directors, Honorary Board Members, Advisory Council, and staff extend their congratulations to Donald Trump on his historic election. We also offer our full support to him in dealing with the challenges ahead, and wish him the best in serving the nation, world peace, international development, and global justice.

    Senator J. Bennett Johnston
    Chairman
    Dr. Hooshang Amirahmadi
    President and Founder

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  35. Imagine if America had recognized this message 24 years ago, and got elected the writer of this column back in 1992;

    No Clintons

    No Bushes

    No Massive Illegal Immigration

    No NAFTA

    No Moral Relativism

    No Neocon Wars

    No Deterioration of Nuclear Family

    No Bilingual Enforcement

    We wasted a quater of a century.

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  36. utu says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    H. Ross Perot never had the charisma, confidence or the verbal chops that DT has. The main things Perot had going for him were patriotism, wealth and being right on the threat of NAFTA. Perot's family was threatened in the end. That Trump has gotten this far leads me to believe that he's just Plan B of the establishment, who at some point intend to discredit the political system entirely so that a new one, under establishment control, will be welcomed by the somnolent masses.

    Perot was there to elect Clinton. But, yes, his message was right. I wonder who made him to suspend his campaign (Bush?) and who convinced him that he could resume it (Clinton?) later?

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  37. David says:

    Trump’s victory is Mr Buchanan’s too. Bravo, Sir!

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  38. Helen says: • Website

    I like him! in my opinion, he’s better than Clinton hypocrite!

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  39. I was thinking of the adage:
    “Goldwater ran in ’64, was elected in ’80″.

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  40. @NoseytheDuke
    H. Ross Perot never had the charisma, confidence or the verbal chops that DT has. The main things Perot had going for him were patriotism, wealth and being right on the threat of NAFTA. Perot's family was threatened in the end. That Trump has gotten this far leads me to believe that he's just Plan B of the establishment, who at some point intend to discredit the political system entirely so that a new one, under establishment control, will be welcomed by the somnolent masses.

    …he’s just Plan B of the establishment, who at some point intend to discredit the political system entirely so that a new one, under establishment control, will be welcomed by the somnolent masses.

    You are undoubtedly correct. In contrast to PB’s sanguinity, the ruling connivers never rest. Never. The struggle is never over.

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  41. nsa says:
    @CCZ
    NYT's Paul Krugman is upset (NYT online).

    What we do know is that people like me, and probably like most readers of The New York Times, truly didn’t understand the country we live in. We thought that our fellow citizens would not, in the end, vote for a candidate so manifestly unqualified for high office, so temperamentally unsound, so scary yet ludicrous.

    We thought that the nation, while far from having transcended racial prejudice and misogyny, had become vastly more open and tolerant over time.

    We thought that the great majority of Americans valued democratic norms and the rule of law.

    It turns out that we were wrong. There turn out to be a huge number of people — white people, living mainly in rural areas — who don’t share at all our idea of what America is about. For them, it is about blood and soil, about traditional patriarchy and racial hierarchy. And there were many other people who might not share those anti-democratic values, but who nonetheless were willing to vote for anyone bearing the Republican label.

    I don’t know how we go forward from here. Is America a failed state and society? It looks truly possible.
     

    Just come out and say it….krugstein is fairly typical of the km (kosher media) i.e. a vile jooie traitor spreading foreign commie ideas harmful to decent people who work for a living.

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    working for a living goes pretty good when you have a few things in place. Eight hour day. lunch breaks, safety proceedures, that goes on and on, Thanks to the union movement.

    [[ooie traitor spreading foreign commie ideas harmful to decent people who work for a living.
     
    Would you be able to describe one of the ''foreign 'commie' ideas because those are words that aren
    't too well explained, it can mean different things to different people, what does commie mean to you? (I believe it has as its root the word community, or commons... It's really mysterious.)

    Well going around that, the little jerk talking head, is no communist, he is a neo Liberal, so you don't know what the difference is.
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  42. robt says:
    @WorkingClass
    Well said Pat. I read this first at TAC, a magazine founded by yourself if I am not mistaken. Your views regarding Trump have been consistently opposed at TAC by Rod Dreher, a social conservative torn between his populist proclivities and his love of hierarchy. I often wonder. Have you ever tried talking to this guy?

    TAC = Pat ‘n’ Taki ($$$)

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  43. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @NoseytheDuke
    H. Ross Perot never had the charisma, confidence or the verbal chops that DT has. The main things Perot had going for him were patriotism, wealth and being right on the threat of NAFTA. Perot's family was threatened in the end. That Trump has gotten this far leads me to believe that he's just Plan B of the establishment, who at some point intend to discredit the political system entirely so that a new one, under establishment control, will be welcomed by the somnolent masses.

    That Trump has gotten this far leads me to believe that he’s just Plan B

    He is not. He is a genuine article. He is the first, almost genuine, American nationalist in White House since who knows when. There was no Plan “B” current US political “elites” are dumb and arrogant, they don’t even have Plan “A” to start with. Look at the results of their “activity” all around you.

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    There was no Plan “B”

    I started thinking about the Plan B of elites in August last year when refugee crisis began in Europe and what part of that plan was Trump who started his campaign on July 15 almost 2 month earlier with a salvo against illegal immigration. Was he lucky or did he know? If the latter from whom? Who advised him? We do not know the super elites and how one can slice them. Perhaps there internal fights. Perhaps neocons and liberals who seem so powerful are just one of many servants they have they keep sending for errands and sometimes they discipline them.

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  44. Boris N says:

    I do not understand why Americans value personal freedom so much if not see it as a cornerstone for America, but they are still so preoccupied with such a personal issue as abortion. Why is it an issue at all, that it’s even crucial for a career of a politician. And don’t say they kill children. Nobody kills anybody. Fetuses are not humans, at least legally. And everybody knows that. Open your ID or any legal document and see when you’ve started to exist for law. Nobody cares when you were conceived, but only when you were born, before that date you simply did not exist. Of course, it would be a very good argument for thirsty young people who could say to the seller that they are not 20 but 21 years old already, they were conceived 9 months before their birth date, so give them their beer.

    Yes, that is also a moral question and America is a Christian nation that upholds Christian values. But come on, how could the “best” nation on Earth define what is good and what is bad according to the 3000 year-old Jewish mythology. After all, we are living in the 21st century, a century when humanity will most probably colonize Mars, moreover it is Amercans who daresay they’ll colonize that planet, and still such a most andvanced nation believes in Bronze Age fairy tales. Damn it, even if you have been brainwashed and programmed to hate those godless Commies and then you must believe in the Bible just because you’re anti-Communist, there were and are thousands of other famous and most intelectual people who’re not Communists but who have not believed in those fairy tales, either. And don’t say without Christianity there will come chaos, because the only reason why people do not become immoral bloodthirsty beasts is the Bible. The Japanese do not derive their morals from Christianity, still they have not exterminated each other and live in quite a peaceful society.

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    Just to explore your thought, why not make the first six months after birth the termination period? The terminated wouldn’t have meaningful awareness. And the mother (only mothers count) would have an opportunity to examin3e the goods. Maybe even offload the burden on someone else.

    On the whole, it seems much easier to just avoid pregnancy in the first place as opposed to burdening society with dealing with the issue.
    , @Che Guava
    I get tired of people not knowing much of Japan and its history making claims like yours.
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  45. Che Guava says:

    I have loved the aplopectic and confused reactions , of the media, checking the news after work today, I was surprised by the size of the victory.

    Last night, I met an English friend of the ‘nothing wrong’ PC type, although he hates his own home town because, mainly, of the effects of mass immigration, although he would never admit that as the reason.

    He was mildly shocked when I said I wanted Trump to win. ‘Why?’ he asked.

    Among my explanations, he seized on my ‘dangerous and harmful no-fly zone in Syria’, and offered a not-tiny wager that she wouldn’t. I replied, ‘Sure will take you up on that *if* she wins, don’t think she will’.

    Mr. Buchanan, I hope that Trump has been or will be seeking your advice on many points.

    Schadenfreude to many media outlets, imagine US TV must have been hilarious.

    To think, the Hillary campaign was to show so much hubris as to start organising a victory fireworks display a few days ago, only called off at the last minute.

    Advisor: Uh, Exalted Leader, the fireworks might not be such a great idea.

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  46. OutWest says:
    @Boris N
    I do not understand why Americans value personal freedom so much if not see it as a cornerstone for America, but they are still so preoccupied with such a personal issue as abortion. Why is it an issue at all, that it's even crucial for a career of a politician. And don't say they kill children. Nobody kills anybody. Fetuses are not humans, at least legally. And everybody knows that. Open your ID or any legal document and see when you've started to exist for law. Nobody cares when you were conceived, but only when you were born, before that date you simply did not exist. Of course, it would be a very good argument for thirsty young people who could say to the seller that they are not 20 but 21 years old already, they were conceived 9 months before their birth date, so give them their beer.

    Yes, that is also a moral question and America is a Christian nation that upholds Christian values. But come on, how could the "best" nation on Earth define what is good and what is bad according to the 3000 year-old Jewish mythology. After all, we are living in the 21st century, a century when humanity will most probably colonize Mars, moreover it is Amercans who daresay they'll colonize that planet, and still such a most andvanced nation believes in Bronze Age fairy tales. Damn it, even if you have been brainwashed and programmed to hate those godless Commies and then you must believe in the Bible just because you're anti-Communist, there were and are thousands of other famous and most intelectual people who're not Communists but who have not believed in those fairy tales, either. And don't say without Christianity there will come chaos, because the only reason why people do not become immoral bloodthirsty beasts is the Bible. The Japanese do not derive their morals from Christianity, still they have not exterminated each other and live in quite a peaceful society.

    Just to explore your thought, why not make the first six months after birth the termination period? The terminated wouldn’t have meaningful awareness. And the mother (only mothers count) would have an opportunity to examin3e the goods. Maybe even offload the burden on someone else.

    On the whole, it seems much easier to just avoid pregnancy in the first place as opposed to burdening society with dealing with the issue.

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    I don't see the ethical problem about giving sane parents the chance to choose for say six months but getting to an acceptable status quo - assuming there is an acceptable way of dealing with differences between mother and resident father (and matters of medical judgment) - is not necessarily achievable. Where do you see the difficulties/objections?

    Similar difficult question. If I was far gone in dementia I would like to be knocked off by my nearest and dearest but I don't feel comfortable with the idea that they might be the sort of people who could do it.

    , @Boris N

    Just to explore your thought, why not make the first six months after birth the termination period? The terminated wouldn’t have meaningful awareness. And the mother (only mothers count) would have an opportunity to examin3e the goods. Maybe even offload the burden on someone else.
     
    You've just made several logical fallacies including reductio ad absurdum. It is so utterly absurd that it's pointless to discuss your thought (it's NOT my thought). Both you and I know why.

    On the whole, it seems much easier to just avoid pregnancy in the first place as opposed to burdening society with dealing with the issue.
     
    It is the opposite. Nobody burdens the society, it is the society thinks it must burden itself with such a strictly personal issue as to give or not to give birth to their own potential children. Other people just must understand it is not really their business. And not to put that delicate issue into politics, simply not to manipulate this topic to gain political power or discredit a rival. That probably all I wanted to say (though I wrote a little too much than needed, but I'm verbose). I was not going to argue about abortions in general and I was not going to take sides, either pro-life or pro-choice (I'm neither).

    Frankly, I don't clearly understand why I've raised this off-topic issue here (though Trump once raised this question during the debates, so it's not that off-topic). Clearly, I must not be worried if one million American "babies" are being "killed" every year. Or instead, if abortion would become illegal in America, what might happen to that one million of undesired babies or if people might go to jail for murders through abortion. Probably, it's just the more I know about America, the more I'm bitterly surprised and disappointed. When in most developed and many developing countries abortion is a normal and legal practice (of course, with definite conditions and limitations, and, of course, it does not mean the women there have no difficult moral dilemmas when doing this), and hardly anyone there tries to make it illegal again (only, maybe, some religious people), in America abortion is still a very hotly debated question, like we are living not in 2016, but in 1956 (I know it's been legal in America for more than 40 years, but). Obviously, it's another case where America is very backward comparing with other First World countries.
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  47. Che Guava says:
    @Boris N
    I do not understand why Americans value personal freedom so much if not see it as a cornerstone for America, but they are still so preoccupied with such a personal issue as abortion. Why is it an issue at all, that it's even crucial for a career of a politician. And don't say they kill children. Nobody kills anybody. Fetuses are not humans, at least legally. And everybody knows that. Open your ID or any legal document and see when you've started to exist for law. Nobody cares when you were conceived, but only when you were born, before that date you simply did not exist. Of course, it would be a very good argument for thirsty young people who could say to the seller that they are not 20 but 21 years old already, they were conceived 9 months before their birth date, so give them their beer.

    Yes, that is also a moral question and America is a Christian nation that upholds Christian values. But come on, how could the "best" nation on Earth define what is good and what is bad according to the 3000 year-old Jewish mythology. After all, we are living in the 21st century, a century when humanity will most probably colonize Mars, moreover it is Amercans who daresay they'll colonize that planet, and still such a most andvanced nation believes in Bronze Age fairy tales. Damn it, even if you have been brainwashed and programmed to hate those godless Commies and then you must believe in the Bible just because you're anti-Communist, there were and are thousands of other famous and most intelectual people who're not Communists but who have not believed in those fairy tales, either. And don't say without Christianity there will come chaos, because the only reason why people do not become immoral bloodthirsty beasts is the Bible. The Japanese do not derive their morals from Christianity, still they have not exterminated each other and live in quite a peaceful society.

    I get tired of people not knowing much of Japan and its history making claims like yours.

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    Tell us then what you know of Japan and its history which you take to relevantly contradict what Bois N writes? I have Japanese in-laws and an uncle who was a POW in Changi 1942-45 so I shall pay attention.
    , @Boris N

    I get tired of people not knowing much of Japan and its history making claims like yours.
     
    I get tired of people not knowing much about other people making claims like yours. You say like Japan is a Christian nation and I do not know that, but you do, so I'm ignorant and you are very well informed. Good for you, then.
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  48. Corvinus says:

    “Why? asks an alarmed establishment. Why, in spite of all this, did Trump’s support endure? Why did the American people not react as they once would have? Why do these accusations not have the bite they once did?

    Answer. We are another country now, an us-or-them country.”

    No, that is not the answer. In essence, 1) the working class and the union types who would have supported Sanders went to Trump, 2) Hillary had more baggage than Trump, and 3) certain groups of people, the ones that decided this election, are tired of the establishment and of political correctness.

    Remember, Trump is an elitist.

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    "Remember, Trump is an elitist."'

    Yes, Corvinus! One can picture Sheldon Adelson waking up with a hang after celebrating (Zionist-elite) Donald Trump's big victory over his rival Zionist candidate, the criminally crooked, elitist Hillary Clinton.

    Zionists are very smart, and as former-POTUS candidate, Pat Buchanan, is well aware, they "win by deception." Both President elect-Trump & Hillary carried the MSM Zionist "mail," & of course one has won.

    But before getting to carried away with prospects for "making America great again," please consider the "link" below and you'll better understand why Sheldon Adelson dropped > 25 million upon The Donald's roulette table.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Trump-Israel.jpg

    Thank you very much for chiming in, Corvinus, and I hope to hear more from you! For I will bet all the money (I will never have) on the fact that our "D.C. swamp" will not be rid of particular dangerously hazardous influences, under President Donald Trump.
    , @Mao Cheng Ji

    In essence, 1) the working class and the union types who would have supported Sanders went to Trump, 2) Hillary had more baggage than Trump, and 3) certain groups of people, the ones that decided this election, are tired of the establishment and of political correctness.
     
    Yeah, in essence it's giving the middle finger to the establishment. Just like Brexit.

    So, this is not a solution, this is (hopefully) just the beginning of a correction process.
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  49. the Trumpster has kicked butt, a bright, shining moment in historical bad taste, even if one has to hold one’s nose to appreciate it. This will enliven the comment on the racist and anti-semitic blogs, eventually stimulating the American people to unite effectively around an anti-racist ideology,. In the meantime:

    SAY IT CLEAR AND SAY IT LOUD
    WE’RE WHITE, WERE BIGOTED, AND WE’RE PROUD

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    Trumpism may indeed amount only to white identity politics, in which case it's an inevitable consequence of the Democrats' diversamerica, in which everyone else is already organized according to identity castes in a spoils system.

    Or perhaps it's the only remaining vehicle to build some kind of nationalism that doesn't assume the spoils are America's only purpose in the global order.
    , @MarkinLA
    Yeah versus all the anti-white racist crap the Hillary campaign threw at the Trump supporters? Why was she such an anti-white racist if not playing to her base of white hating racists?

    The Revenge of the Deplorables.
    , @Wally
    SAY IT CLEAR AND SAY IT LOUD

    WE FINALLY FOUGHT BACK

    ‘Antisemitism’ is simply a logical reaction to the lies, thievery, violence, destruction, and hate that is perpetrated and advocated by Jewish supremacists.

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  50. utu says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    That Trump has gotten this far leads me to believe that he’s just Plan B
     
    He is not. He is a genuine article. He is the first, almost genuine, American nationalist in White House since who knows when. There was no Plan "B" current US political "elites" are dumb and arrogant, they don't even have Plan "A" to start with. Look at the results of their "activity" all around you.

    There was no Plan “B”

    I started thinking about the Plan B of elites in August last year when refugee crisis began in Europe and what part of that plan was Trump who started his campaign on July 15 almost 2 month earlier with a salvo against illegal immigration. Was he lucky or did he know? If the latter from whom? Who advised him? We do not know the super elites and how one can slice them. Perhaps there internal fights. Perhaps neocons and liberals who seem so powerful are just one of many servants they have they keep sending for errands and sometimes they discipline them.

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    Was he lucky or did he know?
     
    How about the third option--it was and is his conviction. I reiterate, Trump is the closest USA came to have a American nationalist in the White House.

    Who advised him?
     
    He mentioned yesterday in his speech 240 top level generals and admirals who endorsed him. I think he had way better situational awareness than Obama, surrounded by hacks, from the get go. For Donald general Michael Flynn is one such figure--former DIA Chief, combat veteran, I guess a very good pedigree with which to beat all those journos, lawyers and political "scientists" who advised Obama. I explain a lot in my blog.
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  51. Hillary just delivered a concession speech to her supporters, at a hotel in NYC.

    It was an impressive speech, and she delivered with grace & dignity.

    It’s a damn shame so many talented people are either destroyed by- or suborned to- Israel first interests rather than to America First.

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    And did you not think Trump's speech after receiving the concession call from her was good in tone, substance and delivery?
    , @Kiza
    Well, I am sure that she is now for reconciliation and for the reformed DoJ forgetting about the investigation of her. Staying at home with a couple of billions of Clinton Foundation loot beats having to bolt to Qatar with the same.
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  52. @Wizard of Oz
    Let me combine a perhaps over simple observation with an imaginative parallel from the past.

    The latter is that quite well meaning establishments have walked unseeing into disaster over long periods before. Think of the British and other upper classes before World War 1. That helps perhaps in understanding the degree of blind complacency which has allowed America's elites/establishment to fail to spend just a little of the possible peace dividend after 1990 on guaranteeing a rising standard of living for the middle and lower classes instead of profligate war making. Because that is the great ground for criticising the establishment: it's stupidity.

    How could there be such stupidity? The simple answer from some would emphasise the malign effects of neo-con and Israel First policies but a more interesting one, arriving at no certainty, would point out that neither a nation nor an establishment has just one brain in which everything relevant can be organised and analysed so as to produce a single coherent policy outcome.

    The incoherent outcomes of struggles amongst those able to make some contact with the levers of power naturally don't leave much over when the powerful who want munificent after tax rewards for their contributions to the economy contend with those who want expensive wars in the Middle East or the export of what the US ludicrously calls democracy. So the powerless are losers and end up voting for Trump.

    I love it, you just called 70-80% of americans powerless losers after they just elected trump as president hours ago. hahahaha

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    Are you suggesting that powerless losers have changed their status as such merely by being one of many who found that they shared a common distaste for the loser in a two horse race?
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  53. @Corvinus
    "Why? asks an alarmed establishment. Why, in spite of all this, did Trump’s support endure? Why did the American people not react as they once would have? Why do these accusations not have the bite they once did?

    Answer. We are another country now, an us-or-them country."

    No, that is not the answer. In essence, 1) the working class and the union types who would have supported Sanders went to Trump, 2) Hillary had more baggage than Trump, and 3) certain groups of people, the ones that decided this election, are tired of the establishment and of political correctness.

    Remember, Trump is an elitist.

    “Remember, Trump is an elitist.”‘

    Yes, Corvinus! One can picture Sheldon Adelson waking up with a hang after celebrating (Zionist-elite) Donald Trump’s big victory over his rival Zionist candidate, the criminally crooked, elitist Hillary Clinton.

    Zionists are very smart, and as former-POTUS candidate, Pat Buchanan, is well aware, they “win by deception.” Both President elect-Trump & Hillary carried the MSM Zionist “mail,” & of course one has won.

    But before getting to carried away with prospects for “making America great again,” please consider the “link” below and you’ll better understand why Sheldon Adelson dropped > 25 million upon The Donald’s roulette table.

    Thank you very much for chiming in, Corvinus, and I hope to hear more from you! For I will bet all the money (I will never have) on the fact that our “D.C. swamp” will not be rid of particular dangerously hazardous influences, under President Donald Trump.

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  54. folktruther,

    Quoting you : ” SAY IT CLEAR AND SAY IT LOUD

    WE’RE WHITE, WE’RE BIGOTED , AND WE’RE PROUD”

    NO You are (WHITE) BIGOTED AND PROUD

    Such as all leftist hypocrites.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years, and pro jazz artist.

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    you belonged to Mensa for 40+ years? That's really sad, authentic, you poor boob.
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  55. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Trump needs to permanently fuse political rightism(nationalism) with labor-ism(economic leftism).

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  56. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @utu
    There was no Plan “B”

    I started thinking about the Plan B of elites in August last year when refugee crisis began in Europe and what part of that plan was Trump who started his campaign on July 15 almost 2 month earlier with a salvo against illegal immigration. Was he lucky or did he know? If the latter from whom? Who advised him? We do not know the super elites and how one can slice them. Perhaps there internal fights. Perhaps neocons and liberals who seem so powerful are just one of many servants they have they keep sending for errands and sometimes they discipline them.

    Was he lucky or did he know?

    How about the third option–it was and is his conviction. I reiterate, Trump is the closest USA came to have a American nationalist in the White House.

    Who advised him?

    He mentioned yesterday in his speech 240 top level generals and admirals who endorsed him. I think he had way better situational awareness than Obama, surrounded by hacks, from the get go. For Donald general Michael Flynn is one such figure–former DIA Chief, combat veteran, I guess a very good pedigree with which to beat all those journos, lawyers and political “scientists” who advised Obama. I explain a lot in my blog.

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    "How about the third option–it was and is his conviction." - This is not the 3rd option. If his convictions and plan were independent of impending events in Europe but coincided with the events that reinforced his message a lot is it's is a pure luck.
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  57. @Corvinus
    "Why? asks an alarmed establishment. Why, in spite of all this, did Trump’s support endure? Why did the American people not react as they once would have? Why do these accusations not have the bite they once did?

    Answer. We are another country now, an us-or-them country."

    No, that is not the answer. In essence, 1) the working class and the union types who would have supported Sanders went to Trump, 2) Hillary had more baggage than Trump, and 3) certain groups of people, the ones that decided this election, are tired of the establishment and of political correctness.

    Remember, Trump is an elitist.

    In essence, 1) the working class and the union types who would have supported Sanders went to Trump, 2) Hillary had more baggage than Trump, and 3) certain groups of people, the ones that decided this election, are tired of the establishment and of political correctness.

    Yeah, in essence it’s giving the middle finger to the establishment. Just like Brexit.

    So, this is not a solution, this is (hopefully) just the beginning of a correction process.

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    "Yeah, in essence it’s giving the middle finger to the establishment. Just like Brexit."

    And will working class whites be also given this "middle finger" by Trump?

    "So, this is not a solution, this is (hopefully) just the beginning of a correction process."

    What correction process? Please elaborate.
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  58. utu says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Was he lucky or did he know?
     
    How about the third option--it was and is his conviction. I reiterate, Trump is the closest USA came to have a American nationalist in the White House.

    Who advised him?
     
    He mentioned yesterday in his speech 240 top level generals and admirals who endorsed him. I think he had way better situational awareness than Obama, surrounded by hacks, from the get go. For Donald general Michael Flynn is one such figure--former DIA Chief, combat veteran, I guess a very good pedigree with which to beat all those journos, lawyers and political "scientists" who advised Obama. I explain a lot in my blog.

    “How about the third option–it was and is his conviction.” – This is not the 3rd option. If his convictions and plan were independent of impending events in Europe but coincided with the events that reinforced his message a lot is it’s is a pure luck.

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  59. Cyrano says:

    Trump’s win represents hope for change for the better – on which he might or might not be able to deliver, but unlike his predecessor – he’ll probably at least try. It’s a win by people that have been constantly lied to by the establishment in order to continue on the “safe” road of status quo, rather than try something different.

    Trump’s win is only nominally a republican win, because for all intents and purposes Trump is a third party candidate and his win is the closest that America has come to a revolution without actually going through one, although if he fails as a president, they actually might need a real one in order to fix things.

    I suspect that the latter will be the case, because not only is something seriously wrong with American politics, I think that actually the whole western civilization is one giant rotten phoniness preoccupied with appearances rather than substance.

    The establishment was rightfully scared of Trump’s win, because you run the greatest risk of really royally screwing things up when you actually try to fix them. So in this sense Trump might become the American Gorbachev, because the problems that America faces today are as monumental as those USSR faced in the 80’s and they might prove to be equally insurmountable without completely dismantling the whole system and starting anew. In any case I wish him and the decent Americans a success because so much hope and defiance was invested in his win by millions of ordinary and decent people.

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  60. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "Kip Russell"] says:

    “Middle America believes the establishment is not looking out for the nation but for retention of its power.”

    Close enough for government work. The establishment is looking to gain ever more wealth and power. “Retention” is the absolute minimum.

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  61. I’m just happier than the divil that Hillary lost.

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  62. edNels says:
    @CCZ
    NYT's Paul Krugman is upset (NYT online).

    What we do know is that people like me, and probably like most readers of The New York Times, truly didn’t understand the country we live in. We thought that our fellow citizens would not, in the end, vote for a candidate so manifestly unqualified for high office, so temperamentally unsound, so scary yet ludicrous.

    We thought that the nation, while far from having transcended racial prejudice and misogyny, had become vastly more open and tolerant over time.

    We thought that the great majority of Americans valued democratic norms and the rule of law.

    It turns out that we were wrong. There turn out to be a huge number of people — white people, living mainly in rural areas — who don’t share at all our idea of what America is about. For them, it is about blood and soil, about traditional patriarchy and racial hierarchy. And there were many other people who might not share those anti-democratic values, but who nonetheless were willing to vote for anyone bearing the Republican label.

    I don’t know how we go forward from here. Is America a failed state and society? It looks truly possible.
     

    who in hell cares about that sneaky little rat?

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  63. edNels says:
    @nsa
    Just come out and say it....krugstein is fairly typical of the km (kosher media) i.e. a vile jooie traitor spreading foreign commie ideas harmful to decent people who work for a living.

    working for a living goes pretty good when you have a few things in place. Eight hour day. lunch breaks, safety proceedures, that goes on and on, Thanks to the union movement.

    [[ooie traitor spreading foreign commie ideas harmful to decent people who work for a living.

    Would you be able to describe one of the ”foreign ‘commie’ ideas because those are words that aren
    ‘t too well explained, it can mean different things to different people, what does commie mean to you? (I believe it has as its root the word community, or commons… It’s really mysterious.)

    Well going around that, the little jerk talking head, is no communist, he is a neo Liberal, so you don’t know what the difference is.

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  64. @Authenticjazzman
    folktruther,

    Quoting you : " SAY IT CLEAR AND SAY IT LOUD

    WE'RE WHITE, WE'RE BIGOTED , AND WE'RE PROUD"

    NO You are (WHITE) BIGOTED AND PROUD

    Such as all leftist hypocrites.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years, and pro jazz artist.

    you belonged to Mensa for 40+ years? That’s really sad, authentic, you poor boob.

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  65. Kilo 4/11 says:

    Here’s Tom Friedman’s suffering to go with Krugman’s:

    “at the moment I am in anguish, frightened for my country and for our unity. And for the first time, I feel homeless in America.”

    It’s not as satisfying as seeing his belongings in the street, but it’s lovely nonetheless.

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    Friedman echoing Krugman megaphoned by David Remnick amplified by Amy Davidson in New Yorker

    It's another holocaust!

    --
    This a.m. when I looked at the electoral map it occurred to me that the Red States were pushing the Blue States (New York & California, locus of the largest HRC electoral college vote blocks) into the sea.

    whoops, better not go there, that's antisemitic.

    It occurred to me that THIS time the Red Sea did not part (except for Chicago); this time, the Egyptians did not get slaughtered. The Angel of the Lord flew over Flyover country and Flyover country said, Don't even thing about it.

    --

    Remnick, Krugman, Davidson -- they're all insane.
    Remnick: "Election of Trump is an "American Tragedy." Slaughtering a million + people in the Middle East on behalf of Jews, in which HRC was not only complicit but gleeful -- that's not a tragedy? Remnick dog-whistled all the Hitler - Nazi images he could get away with short of changing Trump's name to Adolf and calling Steve Bannon "Goebbels. "

    If Trump is Hitler, then Hillary is Stalin, and as history is slowly slowly making known to more and more Deplorables, Stalin was already up to his elbows in blood when Hitler was still penning the work about which Sam Shama says, "Laid out all of Hitler's plans and ambitions." which FDR cleverly and clearly interpreted. http://www.unz.com/article/911-truth/#comment-1628822 (David Engel disagrees categorically, btw) Not to hammer too hard on the comparison but merely to highlight the most salient facts:

    Hillary Clinton, who boasts of her life-long commitment to the betterment of the lives of women and children, voted for a war that has been deemed illegitimate, and that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, including tens of thousands of children.

    Donald Trump is not known to have killed women and children on a mass scale or even a small scale.

    Susan Liebman Butler is a big a fan of Franklin Roosevelt as Sam Shama is; she waves away FDR's cozy relationship with Stalin-the-mass-murderer and even excuses the genocides committed under Stalin's watch: "they were kulaks," Butler told an audience at the Roosevelt library in Hyde Park.
    David Remnick appears to be simpatico with Liebman Butler (and Shama): the election of Donald "Hitler" Trump is an "American Tragedy;" the election of Hillary "Stalin" Clinton would have been a triumph.

    ---

    Are Jews like Friedman, Krugman and Remnick having an Edgar Allen Poe-style meltdown? Are they experiencing The Telltale Heart? Are Jews finding themselves incapable of sustaining for a moment longer the bogus holocaust narrative, and in a twisted, psychoanalytic way fall to the compulsion to repeat and repeat the same lies that were told in 1933, and 1938, and 1945, and from those moments ever after?
    Have Jews been so heavily indoctrinated -- marinated -- in their contrived holocaust narcissism that it is the only form of discourse they are capable of summoning to interpret the world around them?

    What is it going to take to get Jews like Friedman, Krugman & Remnick to admit that they have been living a lie for all of their lives; that increasing numbers of the sane world are wise to them and their lies; and that if they do not confront the reality that they are not the center of the universe and that people are sick of their psychopathology, they will inevitably bring harm to themselves.

    People can take only so much crap.

    Electing Trump was a nonviolent way to send a message, even as the numerous legislative measures the Third Reich enacted were nonviolent -- and successful -- ways to to deal with a vexing problem.
    In the latter situation, however, Jews, FDR and Churchill insisted on a war. Remnick, Krugman & Friedman seem equally eager for a war -- against Iran and/or Russia.

    Let's hope Donald Trump is able to evade the Danzig trap that, we must steel ourselves to expect, is being set to snare him, and US.

    , @random observer
    During Canada's last election campaign, one of the Conservative shibboleths was a somewhat quixotic campaign against the more conservative forms of Muslim female dress, and some related issues.

    I sympathized with where they were coming from in ever so many ways, but I never really thought of even the conservative version of Canada as a dress-code kind of country.

    One day I read a letter to the editor from a self-identifying progressive young Muslim woman who noted that she felt that she was losing her country.

    I resisted the temptation to write in reply that I knew how she felt. Although I'm pretty sure I could have written it to ensure my meaning could be taken either way. Still not worth it.

    I am sure many Americans sympathize with Krugman and Friedman in just the same way.
    , @MarkinLA
    They should both go to Israel. Hopefully, this is the start of the white majority reasserting itself.
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  66. Druid says:
    @22pp22
    In Britain, Muslim rape gangs have groomed, raped, pimped and drugged at least 60,000 white children.

    Channel 4, the Times, the BBC, the police and social services all knew but felt that the lives of white trash girls were worth less than the hurt feelings of Muslims.

    By covering up the truth, the "elite" condemned thousands of children an early dose of venereal disease. Yet they seem incapable of recognising that they did anything wrong.

    Their obvious contempt for me and mine is now reciprocated with interest. I despise them and do not consider them either "elite" or in any way the legitimate representatives of the British people. They remain in power only because they have imported tame voters from the Third World.

    Those tame voters despise them almost as almost as much as I do but lend them temporary support because it is still in their interest to do so.

    60000, if that’s true the culprits should all be hanged! I know quite a bit about Islam and I regret you calling the Moslem rape gangs. That’s similar to Christian or Talmudic pimps! Shame on your characterization of the religion by your choice of words. Does this betray your bias, ask yourself!

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    The tone of it made me wlnder about the 60,000 figure too.
    , @Anon
    It is quite common. I don't know about the number but a quick search will reveal some terrible stories of some big-time offenders, mostly of Pakistani origin, who have courted then turned out many really young, 13-15 year old schoolgirls, to prostitution using all means available, drugs, promises of love and marriage, drugs money, blackmail of parental and public exposure. It is for sure a very ugly picture and how there haven't been any revenge murders, I don't know. Perhaps it only comes out once the police have busted up the ring and from then on they're protected.
    , @22pp22
    I am so sick of this crap. I am not making wild accusations. This went on for decades with sanctimonious scum saying “Tut, tut, tut, Islam is a beautiful religion.”
    http://www.pmclauth.com/sentenced/Grooming-Gang-Statistics/Gangs-Jailed
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Charlene_Downes
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2141279/Rochdale-child-sex-trial-Police-hunt-40-suspects-promise-arrests.html
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/15/rotherham-child-sexual-abuse-scandal-tip-iceberg-police-chief
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/697583/Rotherham-abuse-scandal-child-grooming-gangs-industrial-scale-victims-CSE
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/27/children-sexually-exploit_n_5722398.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3724178/The-360-000-year-New-Zealand-judge-RESIGNS-head-child-abuse-inquiry.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11443868/300-victims-groomed-and-assaulted-by-Oxfordshire-gangs-report-finds.html
    http://europe.newsweek.com/thousands-missing-children-care-system-could-be-sexually-exploited-311607
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9318406/Sexual-exploitation-of-white-girls-is-problem-in-Asian-communities-claims-prosecutor.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9330328/Child-grooming-scandals-only-tip-of-the-iceberg-says-Government-minister.html
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang#cite_note-telegraph2-16
    I could carry on all days proving my point, but I am sure you would find some reason to justify it.
    , @22pp22
    More data:

    http://indiafacts.org/the-endless-agony-of-englands-daughters/
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  67. DJT’s actual policy preferences/inclinations seem to be conservative mainly in the sense of putting a wide range of center-right and right ideas into a mainly nationalist framework. Although the campaign has taken a more racialist tone around here and elsewhere, and given the racialism of the left I get that and share it, I wonder if Trump and his administration will have it in them to try on Sailer’s citizenist approach.

    White people will probably still end up the largest minority. At best, a smaller and eternally divided majority.

    With that in mind, it would be no sin to try to reach out on more honest bases.

    At risk of some outrage, what about these:

    - America needs to work for all its citizens, and be loyal to them first, last, and only, just as they are to it
    - that’s the basis of administration policy across the board. it can work for all Americans.
    -the rule of law and law and order can and must work for all americans
    - America is open for business. it believes in honest and fair dealing but the pursuit of the needs of its people. it asks its business leaders to share in that goal. it will deal with all nations that way.

    and so on in such a vein.

    There has to be some kind of room to open up to black Americans and Hispanics. Not on the kiss-ass level of W. More like-

    - Black americans are Americans. [you could get in some careful language about why- there's scope for plain talk about how their ancestors were brought as slaves, about the civil war and what it wrought, and about Jim Crow. there will not be an audience for a litany of black failures since then, or apologetics for Jim Crow and slavery existing, nor is it necessary. or maybe skip it all.] America needs to work for them and there are better ways. [who would benefit more from Trump's economic policies than them?]
    [you could even address crime and BLM- there is nothing wrong with at once emphasizing that cops should always have the best training and the best situational awareness skills, and the best options, and that mistakes can be investigated fairly, and still make it clear that many of those who migfht get shot are criminals and not somebody's 'nice boy'.
    Maybe it's just me but some of the shootings have struck me as a bit much, at least as reported. Others struck me as clean shoots wholly justified by events.]

    Hispanic Americans should be just as open to a populist politics and, maybe, to national identity they can be part of. Maybe there is scope for an emphasis on legality of status and no forther illegality.

    Or perhaps it’s all too late. But it seems like something that could have been supported not so long ago, and it’s about the only approach likely to reshape America permanently into anything other than a balkanized diversity hole and globalist playground.

    Apologies- this was not up to my usual standard but I’m torn between hope and fear for the future. One of those fears is that the demographics will not change, at least not much. This is the time to shape the future in a better direction, if we hope to really grind the left’s current ideas into the dust.

    FWIW.

    But apart from all that, an anecdote. Bearing in mind I’m from Canada but once upon a time I knew and loved a few oft-visited places in the US. An ‘uncle’ [older friend of the family and of British birth] worked for IBM and was involved in the spinoff of Lexmark in Lexington, Kentucky. He and his wife lived down there for a couple of years and we visited in the early 1990s. Lexington itself, Bardstown, a few other places. I was pleased to see recently the Bluegrass RR tourist operation is still around.

    I digress. He was a big fan of Perot and hoped Perot would pull it off in 92. I remember, young punk university student with paleo sympathies as I was becoming, telling him I thought Pat Buchanan should be the man. I think I had recently read “Right from the Beginning”, and I knew Pat’s journalism.

    Long time ago, and lots of water under the bridge for men and nations. Too much, really. Damn the young left radicals I knew in class have gained a lot of ground.

    But it’s nice to see Pat vindicated, even if in part, in these times.

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    Black americans are Americans.
     
    Then black Americans can start acting like it instead of stomping all over the America flag at BLM rallies and spewing mindless, irrational hate towards white Americans and also violently attacking them. This nation has spent trillions of dollars giving blacks every set aside and advantage imaginable and at the expense of the white majority who built this nation. Yet they still fail and still hate whitey. Enough.

    Since you live in Canada you have little experience with American blacks and therefore cling to a romantic view of the black man as the victim and beleaguered underdog. This is a false and obsolete narrative.

    And if Hispanics can't make it then they should go home. They have no right to demand fundamental changes to our domestic policies to suit their narrow racial agenda.

    The same goes for every other non-white racial group who are here only to exploit this land and unfurl their racial and religious flags.

    In case you haven't noticed, multiracialism is an epic failure and does nothing but breed hatred, distrust and contempt. Birds of a feather flock together and that's the way it will always be.

    , @Alden
    750,000 White men were killed in the civil war and hundreds of thousands disabled.

    Starting 1920 blacks began moving to the northern cities and destroyed most of our greatest cities. Almost all the disfunction in our cities is due to A. Black criminals. B Affirmative action black civil service. C Vicious wild black children who destroyed the schools.

    Blacks have affirmative action monopoly on jobs in government, education from nursery school to universities, health care and hospitals, public transportation ( I do not believe I have ever seen a White city busdriver in my life) Government is our biggest employer and at all levels except the very highest is only for black, Asians and Hispanics No Whites Need Apply.

    Everything has been done for them. Let them move to a city and it is destroyed in a few decades. Give them a monopoly on jobs in the biggest sectors of the economy and they are incompetent troublemakers who do nothing all day but gossip, intrigue and argue.

    Meanwhile, the best and brightest Whites are denied employment in favor of blacks, Asians and Hispanics.

    It is amazing how Los Angeles has improved since the employers brought in Hispanics and affirmative action was given to functional, competent, civilized Hispanics.

    We owe blacks nothing. From a horrible civil war to supporting millions of them on 5th generation welfare and affirmative action jobs, to allowing them to destroy our great cities and public schools, We owe them nothing.

    They owe this country. Reparations for slavery? Estimate a reasonable sum and then deduct the lives of 750,000 dead White men, young men of working age. Then deduct the destruction of our great cities. Then deduct the cost of school busing, and the administration costs of trying to civilize their young. Then deduct the cost of paying compensation to the White teachers who had to deal with them and the millions of White children who spent 12 horrible years being abused, bullied, robbed and beaten by them.

    Yes they are Americans. I agree with you in principle that we owe them more than we owe Hispanic Asian and Indian immigrant job thieves. But nothing that has been done since 1861 has curbed their destructiveness.

    Affirmative action, giving them good government, education, public transit, and medical jobs has not curbed their violence and destruction. In fact, as anyone who works in schools or juvenile hall or police knows, the children and teens of the well paid affirmative action government workers are just as destructive as the children of welfare mothers.
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  68. @folktruther
    the Trumpster has kicked butt, a bright, shining moment in historical bad taste, even if one has to hold one's nose to appreciate it. This will enliven the comment on the racist and anti-semitic blogs, eventually stimulating the American people to unite effectively around an anti-racist ideology,. In the meantime:

    SAY IT CLEAR AND SAY IT LOUD
    WE'RE WHITE, WERE BIGOTED, AND WE'RE PROUD

    Trumpism may indeed amount only to white identity politics, in which case it’s an inevitable consequence of the Democrats’ diversamerica, in which everyone else is already organized according to identity castes in a spoils system.

    Or perhaps it’s the only remaining vehicle to build some kind of nationalism that doesn’t assume the spoils are America’s only purpose in the global order.

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  69. MarkinLA says:

    The best thing about the Trump win was that the amnesty bill sitting in the back pocket of Paul Ryan and waiting for the exact second Trump conceded to be brought to the House floor had to be flushed.

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  70. MarkinLA says:
    @folktruther
    the Trumpster has kicked butt, a bright, shining moment in historical bad taste, even if one has to hold one's nose to appreciate it. This will enliven the comment on the racist and anti-semitic blogs, eventually stimulating the American people to unite effectively around an anti-racist ideology,. In the meantime:

    SAY IT CLEAR AND SAY IT LOUD
    WE'RE WHITE, WERE BIGOTED, AND WE'RE PROUD

    Yeah versus all the anti-white racist crap the Hillary campaign threw at the Trump supporters? Why was she such an anti-white racist if not playing to her base of white hating racists?

    The Revenge of the Deplorables.

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  71. @Kilo 4/11
    Here's Tom Friedman's suffering to go with Krugman's:

    "at the moment I am in anguish, frightened for my country and for our unity. And for the first time, I feel homeless in America."

    It's not as satisfying as seeing his belongings in the street, but it's lovely nonetheless.

    Friedman echoing Krugman megaphoned by David Remnick amplified by Amy Davidson in New Yorker

    It’s another holocaust!


    This a.m. when I looked at the electoral map it occurred to me that the Red States were pushing the Blue States (New York & California, locus of the largest HRC electoral college vote blocks) into the sea.

    whoops, better not go there, that’s antisemitic.

    It occurred to me that THIS time the Red Sea did not part (except for Chicago); this time, the Egyptians did not get slaughtered. The Angel of the Lord flew over Flyover country and Flyover country said, Don’t even thing about it.

    Remnick, Krugman, Davidson — they’re all insane.
    Remnick: “Election of Trump is an “American Tragedy.” Slaughtering a million + people in the Middle East on behalf of Jews, in which HRC was not only complicit but gleeful — that’s not a tragedy? Remnick dog-whistled all the Hitler – Nazi images he could get away with short of changing Trump’s name to Adolf and calling Steve Bannon “Goebbels. ”

    If Trump is Hitler, then Hillary is Stalin, and as history is slowly slowly making known to more and more Deplorables, Stalin was already up to his elbows in blood when Hitler was still penning the work about which Sam Shama says, “Laid out all of Hitler’s plans and ambitions.” which FDR cleverly and clearly interpreted. http://www.unz.com/article/911-truth/#comment-1628822 (David Engel disagrees categorically, btw) Not to hammer too hard on the comparison but merely to highlight the most salient facts:

    Hillary Clinton, who boasts of her life-long commitment to the betterment of the lives of women and children, voted for a war that has been deemed illegitimate, and that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, including tens of thousands of children.

    Donald Trump is not known to have killed women and children on a mass scale or even a small scale.

    Susan Liebman Butler is a big a fan of Franklin Roosevelt as Sam Shama is; she waves away FDR’s cozy relationship with Stalin-the-mass-murderer and even excuses the genocides committed under Stalin’s watch: “they were kulaks,” Butler told an audience at the Roosevelt library in Hyde Park.
    David Remnick appears to be simpatico with Liebman Butler (and Shama): the election of Donald “Hitler” Trump is an “American Tragedy;” the election of Hillary “Stalin” Clinton would have been a triumph.

    Are Jews like Friedman, Krugman and Remnick having an Edgar Allen Poe-style meltdown? Are they experiencing The Telltale Heart? Are Jews finding themselves incapable of sustaining for a moment longer the bogus holocaust narrative, and in a twisted, psychoanalytic way fall to the compulsion to repeat and repeat the same lies that were told in 1933, and 1938, and 1945, and from those moments ever after?
    Have Jews been so heavily indoctrinated — marinated — in their contrived holocaust narcissism that it is the only form of discourse they are capable of summoning to interpret the world around them?

    What is it going to take to get Jews like Friedman, Krugman & Remnick to admit that they have been living a lie for all of their lives; that increasing numbers of the sane world are wise to them and their lies; and that if they do not confront the reality that they are not the center of the universe and that people are sick of their psychopathology, they will inevitably bring harm to themselves.

    People can take only so much crap.

    Electing Trump was a nonviolent way to send a message, even as the numerous legislative measures the Third Reich enacted were nonviolent — and successful — ways to to deal with a vexing problem.
    In the latter situation, however, Jews, FDR and Churchill insisted on a war. Remnick, Krugman & Friedman seem equally eager for a war — against Iran and/or Russia.

    Let’s hope Donald Trump is able to evade the Danzig trap that, we must steel ourselves to expect, is being set to snare him, and US.

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    'holocau$t', schmolocaust.

    The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
     
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the '6,000,000' lie since at least 1869:

    http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k598/WhiteWolf722/TheSixMillionMyth.jpg
    , @DaveE
    "Electing Trump was a nonviolent way to send a message......."

    Indeed.

    I hope Trump makes good on his promise to put Hillary behind bars. THAT would certainly be a fine way to underline the message in an impossible-to-misinterpret kinda way.
    , @Sam Shama
    You wrote much nonsense in an attempt draw flimsy comparisons.

    Despite misgivings, I voted Trump when my recent plans were to abstain altogether. While Krugman and company are operating in a well-known echo chamber, Krugman knows economic policy; an imperative he disgracefully set aside for a pathetic support of Hillary, abandoning Bernie, a candidate who reified the greater portion of all the theoretical models - including state college tuition relief, reduction of income inequality, universal healthcare, banking reform etc - which Krugman relentlessly trumpeted from his NYT column. So I've lost all respect for Krugman. As for Tom Freidman - well he was always addled.

    I am already regretting my vote, not that is mattered at all in NY. In case you missed it, Trump's very first act is going to be a dismantlement of Dodd-Frank which have bank stocks on a tear!

    Yes, America already shows the first signs of being great again! The Alt-Right in this country - mostly fools.

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  72. @Kilo 4/11
    Here's Tom Friedman's suffering to go with Krugman's:

    "at the moment I am in anguish, frightened for my country and for our unity. And for the first time, I feel homeless in America."

    It's not as satisfying as seeing his belongings in the street, but it's lovely nonetheless.

    During Canada’s last election campaign, one of the Conservative shibboleths was a somewhat quixotic campaign against the more conservative forms of Muslim female dress, and some related issues.

    I sympathized with where they were coming from in ever so many ways, but I never really thought of even the conservative version of Canada as a dress-code kind of country.

    One day I read a letter to the editor from a self-identifying progressive young Muslim woman who noted that she felt that she was losing her country.

    I resisted the temptation to write in reply that I knew how she felt. Although I’m pretty sure I could have written it to ensure my meaning could be taken either way. Still not worth it.

    I am sure many Americans sympathize with Krugman and Friedman in just the same way.

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  73. MarkinLA says:

    Hey where is that 24 ahead jackass who kept telling us about Trump? It seems he was one of the biggest clowns trying to stop Trump.

    http://24ahead.com/trump-helpers

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  74. MarkinLA says:
    @Kilo 4/11
    Here's Tom Friedman's suffering to go with Krugman's:

    "at the moment I am in anguish, frightened for my country and for our unity. And for the first time, I feel homeless in America."

    It's not as satisfying as seeing his belongings in the street, but it's lovely nonetheless.

    They should both go to Israel. Hopefully, this is the start of the white majority reasserting itself.

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  75. Wally says:
    @folktruther
    the Trumpster has kicked butt, a bright, shining moment in historical bad taste, even if one has to hold one's nose to appreciate it. This will enliven the comment on the racist and anti-semitic blogs, eventually stimulating the American people to unite effectively around an anti-racist ideology,. In the meantime:

    SAY IT CLEAR AND SAY IT LOUD
    WE'RE WHITE, WERE BIGOTED, AND WE'RE PROUD

    SAY IT CLEAR AND SAY IT LOUD

    WE FINALLY FOUGHT BACK

    ‘Antisemitism’ is simply a logical reaction to the lies, thievery, violence, destruction, and hate that is perpetrated and advocated by Jewish supremacists.

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    @SolontoCroesus
    Friedman echoing Krugman megaphoned by David Remnick amplified by Amy Davidson in New Yorker

    It's another holocaust!

    --
    This a.m. when I looked at the electoral map it occurred to me that the Red States were pushing the Blue States (New York & California, locus of the largest HRC electoral college vote blocks) into the sea.

    whoops, better not go there, that's antisemitic.

    It occurred to me that THIS time the Red Sea did not part (except for Chicago); this time, the Egyptians did not get slaughtered. The Angel of the Lord flew over Flyover country and Flyover country said, Don't even thing about it.

    --

    Remnick, Krugman, Davidson -- they're all insane.
    Remnick: "Election of Trump is an "American Tragedy." Slaughtering a million + people in the Middle East on behalf of Jews, in which HRC was not only complicit but gleeful -- that's not a tragedy? Remnick dog-whistled all the Hitler - Nazi images he could get away with short of changing Trump's name to Adolf and calling Steve Bannon "Goebbels. "

    If Trump is Hitler, then Hillary is Stalin, and as history is slowly slowly making known to more and more Deplorables, Stalin was already up to his elbows in blood when Hitler was still penning the work about which Sam Shama says, "Laid out all of Hitler's plans and ambitions." which FDR cleverly and clearly interpreted. http://www.unz.com/article/911-truth/#comment-1628822 (David Engel disagrees categorically, btw) Not to hammer too hard on the comparison but merely to highlight the most salient facts:

    Hillary Clinton, who boasts of her life-long commitment to the betterment of the lives of women and children, voted for a war that has been deemed illegitimate, and that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, including tens of thousands of children.

    Donald Trump is not known to have killed women and children on a mass scale or even a small scale.

    Susan Liebman Butler is a big a fan of Franklin Roosevelt as Sam Shama is; she waves away FDR's cozy relationship with Stalin-the-mass-murderer and even excuses the genocides committed under Stalin's watch: "they were kulaks," Butler told an audience at the Roosevelt library in Hyde Park.
    David Remnick appears to be simpatico with Liebman Butler (and Shama): the election of Donald "Hitler" Trump is an "American Tragedy;" the election of Hillary "Stalin" Clinton would have been a triumph.

    ---

    Are Jews like Friedman, Krugman and Remnick having an Edgar Allen Poe-style meltdown? Are they experiencing The Telltale Heart? Are Jews finding themselves incapable of sustaining for a moment longer the bogus holocaust narrative, and in a twisted, psychoanalytic way fall to the compulsion to repeat and repeat the same lies that were told in 1933, and 1938, and 1945, and from those moments ever after?
    Have Jews been so heavily indoctrinated -- marinated -- in their contrived holocaust narcissism that it is the only form of discourse they are capable of summoning to interpret the world around them?

    What is it going to take to get Jews like Friedman, Krugman & Remnick to admit that they have been living a lie for all of their lives; that increasing numbers of the sane world are wise to them and their lies; and that if they do not confront the reality that they are not the center of the universe and that people are sick of their psychopathology, they will inevitably bring harm to themselves.

    People can take only so much crap.

    Electing Trump was a nonviolent way to send a message, even as the numerous legislative measures the Third Reich enacted were nonviolent -- and successful -- ways to to deal with a vexing problem.
    In the latter situation, however, Jews, FDR and Churchill insisted on a war. Remnick, Krugman & Friedman seem equally eager for a war -- against Iran and/or Russia.

    Let's hope Donald Trump is able to evade the Danzig trap that, we must steel ourselves to expect, is being set to snare him, and US.

    ‘holocau$t’, schmolocaust.

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869:

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  77. @Astuteobservor II
    I love it, you just called 70-80% of americans powerless losers after they just elected trump as president hours ago. hahahaha

    Are you suggesting that powerless losers have changed their status as such merely by being one of many who found that they shared a common distaste for the loser in a two horse race?

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    what is wrong with being one of many who went against the establishment and won? does that somehow take away from their collective victory? no matter how untrue or insignificant this is, they still won by voting against the "powerful". at least in this instance, voting, they are as powerful as anyone else in this country. two horse race it was, but this election was very polarizing, to the point where the media actually ran out of words to label trump and his supporters :) but the "powerless" still won.
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  78. @Che Guava
    I get tired of people not knowing much of Japan and its history making claims like yours.

    Tell us then what you know of Japan and its history which you take to relevantly contradict what Bois N writes? I have Japanese in-laws and an uncle who was a POW in Changi 1942-45 so I shall pay attention.

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    Bois N
     
    I think you meant Boris N.

    I have Japanese in-laws
     
    Well, congrats to you. Puts you on a level footing with the Imperial family.

    an uncle who was a POW in Changi 1942-45
     
    That is most unusual, normal practice was to move them out to work as slave labour elsewhere.

    Though I do know some were there to the end.
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  79. Alden says:

    Oh, the Lord God omnipotent Dei alleluia alleluia allaaaaaaaaluiaaaa!!!!!!!!!! I’ve been playing Handel’s messiah off and on all day. The media has lost and the people have won.

    I was very afraid Trump would lose. So very early Tuesday AM I put my computer and phone in a drawer. Then I washed the car and vacuumed and scrubbed the interior. Then went to lunch with a group of friends. We carefully did not discuss the election. I knew if I went home I would get on the internet. I knew if I went shopping or something people would be talking. So I went to the library and checked out 3 engrossing 500 page books. I read one and got home about 7pm PST

    But I resisted checking the TV or internet. I got into bed with one of the books and took 2 muscle relaxers which would make me too lazy to get out of bed and check the results.

    I woke up at 6/30. checked Drudge and glory Alleluia. Trump won. I feel so wonderful. All the haters of Whites have been defeated for the first time in decades. I haven’t watched TV yet. I know it will be full of all those pompous a$$ pundits blathering away.

    Yes indeed, the White proles and peasants have risen against and defeated their overlords. for the first time since Eisenhower sent the black plague to destroy the schools and cities.

    Maybe I should have watched CNN MSNBC etc to see them aghast that the proles and peasants did not listen to their advice and vote for Hildabeast. That would have been fun. I understand Hildabeast conceded around 11pm PST So I could have watched her defeat.

    I’m so happy. I am looking forward to checking out all the “quality” intellectual anti White magazines like Atlantic, Harpers, New Yorker, New Republic, The Reporter, The nation and probably Vanity Fair.

    I’m just so happy happy happy happy

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  80. KenH says:
    @random observer
    DJT's actual policy preferences/inclinations seem to be conservative mainly in the sense of putting a wide range of center-right and right ideas into a mainly nationalist framework. Although the campaign has taken a more racialist tone around here and elsewhere, and given the racialism of the left I get that and share it, I wonder if Trump and his administration will have it in them to try on Sailer's citizenist approach.

    White people will probably still end up the largest minority. At best, a smaller and eternally divided majority.

    With that in mind, it would be no sin to try to reach out on more honest bases.

    At risk of some outrage, what about these:

    - America needs to work for all its citizens, and be loyal to them first, last, and only, just as they are to it
    - that's the basis of administration policy across the board. it can work for all Americans.
    -the rule of law and law and order can and must work for all americans
    - America is open for business. it believes in honest and fair dealing but the pursuit of the needs of its people. it asks its business leaders to share in that goal. it will deal with all nations that way.

    and so on in such a vein.

    There has to be some kind of room to open up to black Americans and Hispanics. Not on the kiss-ass level of W. More like-

    - Black americans are Americans. [you could get in some careful language about why- there's scope for plain talk about how their ancestors were brought as slaves, about the civil war and what it wrought, and about Jim Crow. there will not be an audience for a litany of black failures since then, or apologetics for Jim Crow and slavery existing, nor is it necessary. or maybe skip it all.] America needs to work for them and there are better ways. [who would benefit more from Trump's economic policies than them?]
    [you could even address crime and BLM- there is nothing wrong with at once emphasizing that cops should always have the best training and the best situational awareness skills, and the best options, and that mistakes can be investigated fairly, and still make it clear that many of those who migfht get shot are criminals and not somebody's 'nice boy'.
    Maybe it's just me but some of the shootings have struck me as a bit much, at least as reported. Others struck me as clean shoots wholly justified by events.]

    Hispanic Americans should be just as open to a populist politics and, maybe, to national identity they can be part of. Maybe there is scope for an emphasis on legality of status and no forther illegality.

    Or perhaps it's all too late. But it seems like something that could have been supported not so long ago, and it's about the only approach likely to reshape America permanently into anything other than a balkanized diversity hole and globalist playground.

    Apologies- this was not up to my usual standard but I'm torn between hope and fear for the future. One of those fears is that the demographics will not change, at least not much. This is the time to shape the future in a better direction, if we hope to really grind the left's current ideas into the dust.

    FWIW.

    But apart from all that, an anecdote. Bearing in mind I'm from Canada but once upon a time I knew and loved a few oft-visited places in the US. An 'uncle' [older friend of the family and of British birth] worked for IBM and was involved in the spinoff of Lexmark in Lexington, Kentucky. He and his wife lived down there for a couple of years and we visited in the early 1990s. Lexington itself, Bardstown, a few other places. I was pleased to see recently the Bluegrass RR tourist operation is still around.

    I digress. He was a big fan of Perot and hoped Perot would pull it off in 92. I remember, young punk university student with paleo sympathies as I was becoming, telling him I thought Pat Buchanan should be the man. I think I had recently read "Right from the Beginning", and I knew Pat's journalism.

    Long time ago, and lots of water under the bridge for men and nations. Too much, really. Damn the young left radicals I knew in class have gained a lot of ground.

    But it's nice to see Pat vindicated, even if in part, in these times.

    Black americans are Americans.

    Then black Americans can start acting like it instead of stomping all over the America flag at BLM rallies and spewing mindless, irrational hate towards white Americans and also violently attacking them. This nation has spent trillions of dollars giving blacks every set aside and advantage imaginable and at the expense of the white majority who built this nation. Yet they still fail and still hate whitey. Enough.

    Since you live in Canada you have little experience with American blacks and therefore cling to a romantic view of the black man as the victim and beleaguered underdog. This is a false and obsolete narrative.

    And if Hispanics can’t make it then they should go home. They have no right to demand fundamental changes to our domestic policies to suit their narrow racial agenda.

    The same goes for every other non-white racial group who are here only to exploit this land and unfurl their racial and religious flags.

    In case you haven’t noticed, multiracialism is an epic failure and does nothing but breed hatred, distrust and contempt. Birds of a feather flock together and that’s the way it will always be.

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    Don't put words in my mouth.

    I merely noted that there is no way of characterizing blacks as anything other than American, even if American by force originally. Their ancestors were here before the ancestors of plenty of whites. The chance to kick them all out is over a century gone and America has claimed them to be citizens all the time since.

    Similarly, anyone of any race who was legally admitted and naturalized, or their parents. This cannot realistically be reversed.

    Hispanics included. That doesn't mean illegals shouldn't be depprted, but I don't see much hope of more than partial at best. And there will still be citizens.

    It is unlikely the white numbers will stop shrinking any time soon, and halting at a steady, smaller majority is the best of best case scenarios. And that majority would still be ideologically divided, because only white people do those things. And even if it weren't, the numbers would still dictate some cross-ethnic politicking to get consensus for anything. Diverse countries are like that.

    With all that in mind, I argued that Trump should offer a strategy to reshape that future in a more nationalist direction, that it might be possible, that he already has some of the elements, and indeed that this is a historic first, and probably last, opportunity to do so from a position of strength and build a coalition that will preserve an America that white people are safe, comfortable, and in a strong position, indefinitely. Trump has the terms in which to move toward that without the progressives' language of subversion, servitude, and degradation. Time cannot be wasted.

    As to your other points, I largely agree about BLM. Not only that they are essentially a rebel organization, but also that plenty of their claimed instigating incidents are bogus. Black cops shooting black criminals are not racists. White cops doing so are not racists either. Not every one of the incidents in the past couple of years seemed to involve that scenario though.

    It's true, my experience with American blacks is limited. Though I have been more than a little unnerved by the stares you get a couple of blocks behind the Capitol. And had my worries in downtown Detroit. For the most part, our blacks are Somalis and Jamaicans and Haitians. The first two have their criminal elements but they are never much bother to the safety of the rest of us. Yet. The Haitians don't seem to cause much problem. Maybe they do in Montreal.

    I don't cling to any romantic view of American blacks at all. I merely said they are Americans, and they won't go away. This must be understood.

    Agree entirely with your last para. SO what? These conditions exist and whites don't breed enough to do anything about it. An acceptable future power structure must manage these problems.
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  81. @OutWest
    Just to explore your thought, why not make the first six months after birth the termination period? The terminated wouldn’t have meaningful awareness. And the mother (only mothers count) would have an opportunity to examin3e the goods. Maybe even offload the burden on someone else.

    On the whole, it seems much easier to just avoid pregnancy in the first place as opposed to burdening society with dealing with the issue.

    I don’t see the ethical problem about giving sane parents the chance to choose for say six months but getting to an acceptable status quo – assuming there is an acceptable way of dealing with differences between mother and resident father (and matters of medical judgment) – is not necessarily achievable. Where do you see the difficulties/objections?

    Similar difficult question. If I was far gone in dementia I would like to be knocked off by my nearest and dearest but I don’t feel comfortable with the idea that they might be the sort of people who could do it.

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    You may be in the minority in this. But my point was intended to develop the cognitive dissonance of the matter. If you're going to be logical - never mind.
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  82. DaveE says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Friedman echoing Krugman megaphoned by David Remnick amplified by Amy Davidson in New Yorker

    It's another holocaust!

    --
    This a.m. when I looked at the electoral map it occurred to me that the Red States were pushing the Blue States (New York & California, locus of the largest HRC electoral college vote blocks) into the sea.

    whoops, better not go there, that's antisemitic.

    It occurred to me that THIS time the Red Sea did not part (except for Chicago); this time, the Egyptians did not get slaughtered. The Angel of the Lord flew over Flyover country and Flyover country said, Don't even thing about it.

    --

    Remnick, Krugman, Davidson -- they're all insane.
    Remnick: "Election of Trump is an "American Tragedy." Slaughtering a million + people in the Middle East on behalf of Jews, in which HRC was not only complicit but gleeful -- that's not a tragedy? Remnick dog-whistled all the Hitler - Nazi images he could get away with short of changing Trump's name to Adolf and calling Steve Bannon "Goebbels. "

    If Trump is Hitler, then Hillary is Stalin, and as history is slowly slowly making known to more and more Deplorables, Stalin was already up to his elbows in blood when Hitler was still penning the work about which Sam Shama says, "Laid out all of Hitler's plans and ambitions." which FDR cleverly and clearly interpreted. http://www.unz.com/article/911-truth/#comment-1628822 (David Engel disagrees categorically, btw) Not to hammer too hard on the comparison but merely to highlight the most salient facts:

    Hillary Clinton, who boasts of her life-long commitment to the betterment of the lives of women and children, voted for a war that has been deemed illegitimate, and that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, including tens of thousands of children.

    Donald Trump is not known to have killed women and children on a mass scale or even a small scale.

    Susan Liebman Butler is a big a fan of Franklin Roosevelt as Sam Shama is; she waves away FDR's cozy relationship with Stalin-the-mass-murderer and even excuses the genocides committed under Stalin's watch: "they were kulaks," Butler told an audience at the Roosevelt library in Hyde Park.
    David Remnick appears to be simpatico with Liebman Butler (and Shama): the election of Donald "Hitler" Trump is an "American Tragedy;" the election of Hillary "Stalin" Clinton would have been a triumph.

    ---

    Are Jews like Friedman, Krugman and Remnick having an Edgar Allen Poe-style meltdown? Are they experiencing The Telltale Heart? Are Jews finding themselves incapable of sustaining for a moment longer the bogus holocaust narrative, and in a twisted, psychoanalytic way fall to the compulsion to repeat and repeat the same lies that were told in 1933, and 1938, and 1945, and from those moments ever after?
    Have Jews been so heavily indoctrinated -- marinated -- in their contrived holocaust narcissism that it is the only form of discourse they are capable of summoning to interpret the world around them?

    What is it going to take to get Jews like Friedman, Krugman & Remnick to admit that they have been living a lie for all of their lives; that increasing numbers of the sane world are wise to them and their lies; and that if they do not confront the reality that they are not the center of the universe and that people are sick of their psychopathology, they will inevitably bring harm to themselves.

    People can take only so much crap.

    Electing Trump was a nonviolent way to send a message, even as the numerous legislative measures the Third Reich enacted were nonviolent -- and successful -- ways to to deal with a vexing problem.
    In the latter situation, however, Jews, FDR and Churchill insisted on a war. Remnick, Krugman & Friedman seem equally eager for a war -- against Iran and/or Russia.

    Let's hope Donald Trump is able to evade the Danzig trap that, we must steel ourselves to expect, is being set to snare him, and US.

    “Electing Trump was a nonviolent way to send a message…….”

    Indeed.

    I hope Trump makes good on his promise to put Hillary behind bars. THAT would certainly be a fine way to underline the message in an impossible-to-misinterpret kinda way.

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  83. @SolontoCroesus
    Hillary just delivered a concession speech to her supporters, at a hotel in NYC.

    It was an impressive speech, and she delivered with grace & dignity.

    It's a damn shame so many talented people are either destroyed by- or suborned to- Israel first interests rather than to America First.

    And did you not think Trump’s speech after receiving the concession call from her was good in tone, substance and delivery?

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  84. @Druid
    60000, if that's true the culprits should all be hanged! I know quite a bit about Islam and I regret you calling the Moslem rape gangs. That's similar to Christian or Talmudic pimps! Shame on your characterization of the religion by your choice of words. Does this betray your bias, ask yourself!

    The tone of it made me wlnder about the 60,000 figure too.

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    Sickening comment. Try using Google. I have collected some reading material for you. There were 1400 known victims in one town alone. You can find the links under my reply to Druid.
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  85. Alden says:
    @random observer
    DJT's actual policy preferences/inclinations seem to be conservative mainly in the sense of putting a wide range of center-right and right ideas into a mainly nationalist framework. Although the campaign has taken a more racialist tone around here and elsewhere, and given the racialism of the left I get that and share it, I wonder if Trump and his administration will have it in them to try on Sailer's citizenist approach.

    White people will probably still end up the largest minority. At best, a smaller and eternally divided majority.

    With that in mind, it would be no sin to try to reach out on more honest bases.

    At risk of some outrage, what about these:

    - America needs to work for all its citizens, and be loyal to them first, last, and only, just as they are to it
    - that's the basis of administration policy across the board. it can work for all Americans.
    -the rule of law and law and order can and must work for all americans
    - America is open for business. it believes in honest and fair dealing but the pursuit of the needs of its people. it asks its business leaders to share in that goal. it will deal with all nations that way.

    and so on in such a vein.

    There has to be some kind of room to open up to black Americans and Hispanics. Not on the kiss-ass level of W. More like-

    - Black americans are Americans. [you could get in some careful language about why- there's scope for plain talk about how their ancestors were brought as slaves, about the civil war and what it wrought, and about Jim Crow. there will not be an audience for a litany of black failures since then, or apologetics for Jim Crow and slavery existing, nor is it necessary. or maybe skip it all.] America needs to work for them and there are better ways. [who would benefit more from Trump's economic policies than them?]
    [you could even address crime and BLM- there is nothing wrong with at once emphasizing that cops should always have the best training and the best situational awareness skills, and the best options, and that mistakes can be investigated fairly, and still make it clear that many of those who migfht get shot are criminals and not somebody's 'nice boy'.
    Maybe it's just me but some of the shootings have struck me as a bit much, at least as reported. Others struck me as clean shoots wholly justified by events.]

    Hispanic Americans should be just as open to a populist politics and, maybe, to national identity they can be part of. Maybe there is scope for an emphasis on legality of status and no forther illegality.

    Or perhaps it's all too late. But it seems like something that could have been supported not so long ago, and it's about the only approach likely to reshape America permanently into anything other than a balkanized diversity hole and globalist playground.

    Apologies- this was not up to my usual standard but I'm torn between hope and fear for the future. One of those fears is that the demographics will not change, at least not much. This is the time to shape the future in a better direction, if we hope to really grind the left's current ideas into the dust.

    FWIW.

    But apart from all that, an anecdote. Bearing in mind I'm from Canada but once upon a time I knew and loved a few oft-visited places in the US. An 'uncle' [older friend of the family and of British birth] worked for IBM and was involved in the spinoff of Lexmark in Lexington, Kentucky. He and his wife lived down there for a couple of years and we visited in the early 1990s. Lexington itself, Bardstown, a few other places. I was pleased to see recently the Bluegrass RR tourist operation is still around.

    I digress. He was a big fan of Perot and hoped Perot would pull it off in 92. I remember, young punk university student with paleo sympathies as I was becoming, telling him I thought Pat Buchanan should be the man. I think I had recently read "Right from the Beginning", and I knew Pat's journalism.

    Long time ago, and lots of water under the bridge for men and nations. Too much, really. Damn the young left radicals I knew in class have gained a lot of ground.

    But it's nice to see Pat vindicated, even if in part, in these times.

    750,000 White men were killed in the civil war and hundreds of thousands disabled.

    Starting 1920 blacks began moving to the northern cities and destroyed most of our greatest cities. Almost all the disfunction in our cities is due to A. Black criminals. B Affirmative action black civil service. C Vicious wild black children who destroyed the schools.

    Blacks have affirmative action monopoly on jobs in government, education from nursery school to universities, health care and hospitals, public transportation ( I do not believe I have ever seen a White city busdriver in my life) Government is our biggest employer and at all levels except the very highest is only for black, Asians and Hispanics No Whites Need Apply.

    Everything has been done for them. Let them move to a city and it is destroyed in a few decades. Give them a monopoly on jobs in the biggest sectors of the economy and they are incompetent troublemakers who do nothing all day but gossip, intrigue and argue.

    Meanwhile, the best and brightest Whites are denied employment in favor of blacks, Asians and Hispanics.

    It is amazing how Los Angeles has improved since the employers brought in Hispanics and affirmative action was given to functional, competent, civilized Hispanics.

    We owe blacks nothing. From a horrible civil war to supporting millions of them on 5th generation welfare and affirmative action jobs, to allowing them to destroy our great cities and public schools, We owe them nothing.

    They owe this country. Reparations for slavery? Estimate a reasonable sum and then deduct the lives of 750,000 dead White men, young men of working age. Then deduct the destruction of our great cities. Then deduct the cost of school busing, and the administration costs of trying to civilize their young. Then deduct the cost of paying compensation to the White teachers who had to deal with them and the millions of White children who spent 12 horrible years being abused, bullied, robbed and beaten by them.

    Yes they are Americans. I agree with you in principle that we owe them more than we owe Hispanic Asian and Indian immigrant job thieves. But nothing that has been done since 1861 has curbed their destructiveness.

    Affirmative action, giving them good government, education, public transit, and medical jobs has not curbed their violence and destruction. In fact, as anyone who works in schools or juvenile hall or police knows, the children and teens of the well paid affirmative action government workers are just as destructive as the children of welfare mothers.

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    I did indicate that my comments were not so much about any moral obligations of America to blacks as about the political realities of American demographics.

    I did not say Trump has an opportunity to 'make amends' or anything like that. I said he has a historic opportunity to reshape the future of America from a position of relative strength. Missing it will hand a bludgeon to the white enemies in the near term and to all other races as white become less numerous.

    Granted, the more the population shrinks the less it matters- whites need to breed. Consider the fate of the Christians of Lebanon. But so long as whites are a modest majority or a largest minority, a power structure built today can strengthen their position.
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  86. Svigor says:

    That Trump has gotten this far leads me to believe that he’s just Plan B of the establishment, who at some point intend to discredit the political system entirely so that a new one, under establishment control, will be welcomed by the somnolent masses.

    Of course, that is the definition of a Konspiracy Kook; everything gets rewritten as the will of TPTB.

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  87. Svigor says:

    Konspiracy Kooks are lost souls, wandering in the wreckage of religion; in another age, they’d be explaining Yahweh/Wotan/whoever’s latest act of Divine Will.

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  88. Svigor says:

    I do not understand why Americans value personal freedom so much if not see it as a cornerstone for America, but they are still so preoccupied with such a personal issue as abortion. Why is it an issue at all, that it’s even crucial for a career of a politician. And don’t say they kill children. Nobody kills anybody. Fetuses are not humans, at least legally. And everybody knows that. Open your ID or any legal document and see when you’ve started to exist for law. Nobody cares when you were conceived, but only when you were born, before that date you simply did not exist. Of course, it would be a very good argument for thirsty young people who could say to the seller that they are not 20 but 21 years old already, they were conceived 9 months before their birth date, so give them their beer.

    First off, I am not in any way preoccupied with abortion. I didn’t bring it up. That said:

    1. There’s more to what’s best than individual freedom. Demographic war is a fact of life.
    2. There are no real arguments for infanticide (AKA, abortion) that do not boil down to, “cuz she doesn’t want to be fat for a few months.” Seriously, adoption decapitates almost every argument for abortion, with genuine rape (haha, like we have people in charge we can trust to make that determination) and the like being the exception.

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    Where do you get your very simple ideas about what is involved in continuing or terminating a pregnancy for a woman? And about the effects of adoption on birth mother and child**?Unless you are trolling you must be unimaginative as well as uninformed. This doesn't matter as long as you are not a supporter of using the criminal law to put people in gaol for taking part in a medically professional abortion. Do you support such punitive laws?

    **A woman who has four children learns about the same time that her husband has a disease which will cripple him and within 2 to 5 years kill him AND that she is 10-12 weeks pregnant with a child likely to be very severely retarded. What's your prescription? Does she try and prearrange adoption while concealing the retardation?
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  89. Svigor says:

    Open your ID or any legal document and see when you’ve started to exist for law. Nobody cares when you were conceived, but only when you were born, before that date you simply did not exist. Of course, it would be a very good argument for thirsty young people who could say to the seller that they are not 20 but 21 years old already, they were conceived 9 months before their birth date, so give them their beer.

    Because traditionally, you know, back in the BARBARIC, BENIGHTED PAST, life was precarious enough as it was, without getting your hopes up about a child that wasn’t even born yet. And because in the BARBARIC, BENIGHTED PAST, we didn’t have SCIENCE.

    Effing libtards never listen to themselves. ID and legal documents, he says. WHEN DO LIBTARDS EVER ACCEPT TRADITIONS FOR ANYTHING? And since when is my driver’s license some source of cosmic wisdom?

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  90. Svigor says:

    Think, lib. Why name a child, when it’s still in its mother’s womb? We name them after they come out, largely so we can refer to them, because they’re now separate from the mother. It’s not like they come when they’re called by name at 3 months old. We date from birth because we (can) know for sure, it’s not like the date of conception is to be known with any confidence. And because until daddy is reasonably sure it’s his, he’s not sure he wants to give it his name. Etc.

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  91. Kiza says:

    I know that almost nobody will be happy with President Trump once he shows his true face (forget about pandering to the rich Jewish scumbags). But I know that only the Ziocons and other assorted crooks at the top would have been happy during Hillary’s reign. I just recall the image of that utterly horrible creature and I fall in love with Trump again, no matter how much of real change he brings.

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  92. US policy on reading the rest of the ‘uncivilized world” is so arsebackwards that it is surprising that they get away with it. But this will definitealy change in the reign of Trump, to wit, we have a letter from the American Iranian Council praising the President elect when one of his 1st duties is to bomb Iran with the assist of his alleged Zionist friends. This is chaos and a lead up to a major disaster!

    Secondly Trump’s rural followers and KKK proxies, who assert (according to David Duke) that the Zionist control is almost certain but Trump welcomes Netanyahu with Boris Putin as part of the bromance 3 some and no where do they met on any intellectual, social or principled junction. So how is this going to work or be reconciled. Zionist assistance to destroy Iran while noting that USA at this time does not want US servicemen to be part of this global police force while not being compensated (classic Trump) and how will the rural folks be able to understand this continuation of previous foreign policy crapshoots!
    I gotta’ see this one out, s’il vous plait……….

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  93. Svigor says:

    Jack, that shit was almost English. Congrats.

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  94. @Svigor

    I do not understand why Americans value personal freedom so much if not see it as a cornerstone for America, but they are still so preoccupied with such a personal issue as abortion. Why is it an issue at all, that it’s even crucial for a career of a politician. And don’t say they kill children. Nobody kills anybody. Fetuses are not humans, at least legally. And everybody knows that. Open your ID or any legal document and see when you’ve started to exist for law. Nobody cares when you were conceived, but only when you were born, before that date you simply did not exist. Of course, it would be a very good argument for thirsty young people who could say to the seller that they are not 20 but 21 years old already, they were conceived 9 months before their birth date, so give them their beer.
     
    First off, I am not in any way preoccupied with abortion. I didn't bring it up. That said:

    1. There's more to what's best than individual freedom. Demographic war is a fact of life.
    2. There are no real arguments for infanticide (AKA, abortion) that do not boil down to, "cuz she doesn't want to be fat for a few months." Seriously, adoption decapitates almost every argument for abortion, with genuine rape (haha, like we have people in charge we can trust to make that determination) and the like being the exception.

    Where do you get your very simple ideas about what is involved in continuing or terminating a pregnancy for a woman? And about the effects of adoption on birth mother and child**?Unless you are trolling you must be unimaginative as well as uninformed. This doesn’t matter as long as you are not a supporter of using the criminal law to put people in gaol for taking part in a medically professional abortion. Do you support such punitive laws?

    **A woman who has four children learns about the same time that her husband has a disease which will cripple him and within 2 to 5 years kill him AND that she is 10-12 weeks pregnant with a child likely to be very severely retarded. What’s your prescription? Does she try and prearrange adoption while concealing the retardation?

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  95. Kiza says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Hillary just delivered a concession speech to her supporters, at a hotel in NYC.

    It was an impressive speech, and she delivered with grace & dignity.

    It's a damn shame so many talented people are either destroyed by- or suborned to- Israel first interests rather than to America First.

    Well, I am sure that she is now for reconciliation and for the reformed DoJ forgetting about the investigation of her. Staying at home with a couple of billions of Clinton Foundation loot beats having to bolt to Qatar with the same.

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  96. Corvinus says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    In essence, 1) the working class and the union types who would have supported Sanders went to Trump, 2) Hillary had more baggage than Trump, and 3) certain groups of people, the ones that decided this election, are tired of the establishment and of political correctness.
     
    Yeah, in essence it's giving the middle finger to the establishment. Just like Brexit.

    So, this is not a solution, this is (hopefully) just the beginning of a correction process.

    “Yeah, in essence it’s giving the middle finger to the establishment. Just like Brexit.”

    And will working class whites be also given this “middle finger” by Trump?

    “So, this is not a solution, this is (hopefully) just the beginning of a correction process.”

    What correction process? Please elaborate.

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    What correction process?
     
    Well, let me put it this way: to start making some sacrifices on the side of multi-national capital, for the benefit of ordinary citizens. Does it make sense to you?
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  97. Vindication for Uncle Pat–you were right all along, since the Battle For Seattle.

    Well done.

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  98. Che Guava says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Tell us then what you know of Japan and its history which you take to relevantly contradict what Bois N writes? I have Japanese in-laws and an uncle who was a POW in Changi 1942-45 so I shall pay attention.

    Bois N

    I think you meant Boris N.

    I have Japanese in-laws

    Well, congrats to you. Puts you on a level footing with the Imperial family.

    an uncle who was a POW in Changi 1942-45

    That is most unusual, normal practice was to move them out to work as slave labour elsewhere.

    Though I do know some were there to the end.

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  99. OutWest says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I don't see the ethical problem about giving sane parents the chance to choose for say six months but getting to an acceptable status quo - assuming there is an acceptable way of dealing with differences between mother and resident father (and matters of medical judgment) - is not necessarily achievable. Where do you see the difficulties/objections?

    Similar difficult question. If I was far gone in dementia I would like to be knocked off by my nearest and dearest but I don't feel comfortable with the idea that they might be the sort of people who could do it.

    You may be in the minority in this. But my point was intended to develop the cognitive dissonance of the matter. If you’re going to be logical – never mind.

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  100. @Corvinus
    "Yeah, in essence it’s giving the middle finger to the establishment. Just like Brexit."

    And will working class whites be also given this "middle finger" by Trump?

    "So, this is not a solution, this is (hopefully) just the beginning of a correction process."

    What correction process? Please elaborate.

    What correction process?

    Well, let me put it this way: to start making some sacrifices on the side of multi-national capital, for the benefit of ordinary citizens. Does it make sense to you?

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    "Well, let me put it this way: to start making some sacrifices on the side of multi-national capital, for the benefit of ordinary citizens. Does it make sense to you?"

    Who is this multi-national capital you refer to? What sacrifices? Who are these ordinary citizens? Again, you are being vague.
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  101. @KenH

    Black americans are Americans.
     
    Then black Americans can start acting like it instead of stomping all over the America flag at BLM rallies and spewing mindless, irrational hate towards white Americans and also violently attacking them. This nation has spent trillions of dollars giving blacks every set aside and advantage imaginable and at the expense of the white majority who built this nation. Yet they still fail and still hate whitey. Enough.

    Since you live in Canada you have little experience with American blacks and therefore cling to a romantic view of the black man as the victim and beleaguered underdog. This is a false and obsolete narrative.

    And if Hispanics can't make it then they should go home. They have no right to demand fundamental changes to our domestic policies to suit their narrow racial agenda.

    The same goes for every other non-white racial group who are here only to exploit this land and unfurl their racial and religious flags.

    In case you haven't noticed, multiracialism is an epic failure and does nothing but breed hatred, distrust and contempt. Birds of a feather flock together and that's the way it will always be.

    Don’t put words in my mouth.

    I merely noted that there is no way of characterizing blacks as anything other than American, even if American by force originally. Their ancestors were here before the ancestors of plenty of whites. The chance to kick them all out is over a century gone and America has claimed them to be citizens all the time since.

    Similarly, anyone of any race who was legally admitted and naturalized, or their parents. This cannot realistically be reversed.

    Hispanics included. That doesn’t mean illegals shouldn’t be depprted, but I don’t see much hope of more than partial at best. And there will still be citizens.

    It is unlikely the white numbers will stop shrinking any time soon, and halting at a steady, smaller majority is the best of best case scenarios. And that majority would still be ideologically divided, because only white people do those things. And even if it weren’t, the numbers would still dictate some cross-ethnic politicking to get consensus for anything. Diverse countries are like that.

    With all that in mind, I argued that Trump should offer a strategy to reshape that future in a more nationalist direction, that it might be possible, that he already has some of the elements, and indeed that this is a historic first, and probably last, opportunity to do so from a position of strength and build a coalition that will preserve an America that white people are safe, comfortable, and in a strong position, indefinitely. Trump has the terms in which to move toward that without the progressives’ language of subversion, servitude, and degradation. Time cannot be wasted.

    As to your other points, I largely agree about BLM. Not only that they are essentially a rebel organization, but also that plenty of their claimed instigating incidents are bogus. Black cops shooting black criminals are not racists. White cops doing so are not racists either. Not every one of the incidents in the past couple of years seemed to involve that scenario though.

    It’s true, my experience with American blacks is limited. Though I have been more than a little unnerved by the stares you get a couple of blocks behind the Capitol. And had my worries in downtown Detroit. For the most part, our blacks are Somalis and Jamaicans and Haitians. The first two have their criminal elements but they are never much bother to the safety of the rest of us. Yet. The Haitians don’t seem to cause much problem. Maybe they do in Montreal.

    I don’t cling to any romantic view of American blacks at all. I merely said they are Americans, and they won’t go away. This must be understood.

    Agree entirely with your last para. SO what? These conditions exist and whites don’t breed enough to do anything about it. An acceptable future power structure must manage these problems.

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  102. @Alden
    750,000 White men were killed in the civil war and hundreds of thousands disabled.

    Starting 1920 blacks began moving to the northern cities and destroyed most of our greatest cities. Almost all the disfunction in our cities is due to A. Black criminals. B Affirmative action black civil service. C Vicious wild black children who destroyed the schools.

    Blacks have affirmative action monopoly on jobs in government, education from nursery school to universities, health care and hospitals, public transportation ( I do not believe I have ever seen a White city busdriver in my life) Government is our biggest employer and at all levels except the very highest is only for black, Asians and Hispanics No Whites Need Apply.

    Everything has been done for them. Let them move to a city and it is destroyed in a few decades. Give them a monopoly on jobs in the biggest sectors of the economy and they are incompetent troublemakers who do nothing all day but gossip, intrigue and argue.

    Meanwhile, the best and brightest Whites are denied employment in favor of blacks, Asians and Hispanics.

    It is amazing how Los Angeles has improved since the employers brought in Hispanics and affirmative action was given to functional, competent, civilized Hispanics.

    We owe blacks nothing. From a horrible civil war to supporting millions of them on 5th generation welfare and affirmative action jobs, to allowing them to destroy our great cities and public schools, We owe them nothing.

    They owe this country. Reparations for slavery? Estimate a reasonable sum and then deduct the lives of 750,000 dead White men, young men of working age. Then deduct the destruction of our great cities. Then deduct the cost of school busing, and the administration costs of trying to civilize their young. Then deduct the cost of paying compensation to the White teachers who had to deal with them and the millions of White children who spent 12 horrible years being abused, bullied, robbed and beaten by them.

    Yes they are Americans. I agree with you in principle that we owe them more than we owe Hispanic Asian and Indian immigrant job thieves. But nothing that has been done since 1861 has curbed their destructiveness.

    Affirmative action, giving them good government, education, public transit, and medical jobs has not curbed their violence and destruction. In fact, as anyone who works in schools or juvenile hall or police knows, the children and teens of the well paid affirmative action government workers are just as destructive as the children of welfare mothers.

    I did indicate that my comments were not so much about any moral obligations of America to blacks as about the political realities of American demographics.

    I did not say Trump has an opportunity to ‘make amends’ or anything like that. I said he has a historic opportunity to reshape the future of America from a position of relative strength. Missing it will hand a bludgeon to the white enemies in the near term and to all other races as white become less numerous.

    Granted, the more the population shrinks the less it matters- whites need to breed. Consider the fate of the Christians of Lebanon. But so long as whites are a modest majority or a largest minority, a power structure built today can strengthen their position.

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    "I said he has a historic opportunity to reshape the future of America from a position of relative strength."

    For all citizens, not just whites.

    "Missing it will hand a bludgeon to the white enemies in the near term and to all other races as white become less numerous."

    Nonsense. Not all whites agree with Trump policies nor support him--as evident by the 50-50 split--nor believe in HbD or race realism or Alt Right clap-trap. Remember, he is an elitist himself. He is not a conservative. One could even call him a cuck.

    "Granted, the more the population shrinks the less it matters- whites need to breed. Consider the fate of the Christians of Lebanon. But so long as whites are a modest majority or a largest minority, a power structure built today can strengthen their position."

    First, whites can choose to breed. Hopefully, you have at least 5-8 offspring to make up for the difference.

    Second, that power structure is again for citizens, not whites.
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  103. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Friedman echoing Krugman megaphoned by David Remnick amplified by Amy Davidson in New Yorker

    It's another holocaust!

    --
    This a.m. when I looked at the electoral map it occurred to me that the Red States were pushing the Blue States (New York & California, locus of the largest HRC electoral college vote blocks) into the sea.

    whoops, better not go there, that's antisemitic.

    It occurred to me that THIS time the Red Sea did not part (except for Chicago); this time, the Egyptians did not get slaughtered. The Angel of the Lord flew over Flyover country and Flyover country said, Don't even thing about it.

    --

    Remnick, Krugman, Davidson -- they're all insane.
    Remnick: "Election of Trump is an "American Tragedy." Slaughtering a million + people in the Middle East on behalf of Jews, in which HRC was not only complicit but gleeful -- that's not a tragedy? Remnick dog-whistled all the Hitler - Nazi images he could get away with short of changing Trump's name to Adolf and calling Steve Bannon "Goebbels. "

    If Trump is Hitler, then Hillary is Stalin, and as history is slowly slowly making known to more and more Deplorables, Stalin was already up to his elbows in blood when Hitler was still penning the work about which Sam Shama says, "Laid out all of Hitler's plans and ambitions." which FDR cleverly and clearly interpreted. http://www.unz.com/article/911-truth/#comment-1628822 (David Engel disagrees categorically, btw) Not to hammer too hard on the comparison but merely to highlight the most salient facts:

    Hillary Clinton, who boasts of her life-long commitment to the betterment of the lives of women and children, voted for a war that has been deemed illegitimate, and that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, including tens of thousands of children.

    Donald Trump is not known to have killed women and children on a mass scale or even a small scale.

    Susan Liebman Butler is a big a fan of Franklin Roosevelt as Sam Shama is; she waves away FDR's cozy relationship with Stalin-the-mass-murderer and even excuses the genocides committed under Stalin's watch: "they were kulaks," Butler told an audience at the Roosevelt library in Hyde Park.
    David Remnick appears to be simpatico with Liebman Butler (and Shama): the election of Donald "Hitler" Trump is an "American Tragedy;" the election of Hillary "Stalin" Clinton would have been a triumph.

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    Are Jews like Friedman, Krugman and Remnick having an Edgar Allen Poe-style meltdown? Are they experiencing The Telltale Heart? Are Jews finding themselves incapable of sustaining for a moment longer the bogus holocaust narrative, and in a twisted, psychoanalytic way fall to the compulsion to repeat and repeat the same lies that were told in 1933, and 1938, and 1945, and from those moments ever after?
    Have Jews been so heavily indoctrinated -- marinated -- in their contrived holocaust narcissism that it is the only form of discourse they are capable of summoning to interpret the world around them?

    What is it going to take to get Jews like Friedman, Krugman & Remnick to admit that they have been living a lie for all of their lives; that increasing numbers of the sane world are wise to them and their lies; and that if they do not confront the reality that they are not the center of the universe and that people are sick of their psychopathology, they will inevitably bring harm to themselves.

    People can take only so much crap.

    Electing Trump was a nonviolent way to send a message, even as the numerous legislative measures the Third Reich enacted were nonviolent -- and successful -- ways to to deal with a vexing problem.
    In the latter situation, however, Jews, FDR and Churchill insisted on a war. Remnick, Krugman & Friedman seem equally eager for a war -- against Iran and/or Russia.

    Let's hope Donald Trump is able to evade the Danzig trap that, we must steel ourselves to expect, is being set to snare him, and US.

    You wrote much nonsense in an attempt draw flimsy comparisons.

    Despite misgivings, I voted Trump when my recent plans were to abstain altogether. While Krugman and company are operating in a well-known echo chamber, Krugman knows economic policy; an imperative he disgracefully set aside for a pathetic support of Hillary, abandoning Bernie, a candidate who reified the greater portion of all the theoretical models – including state college tuition relief, reduction of income inequality, universal healthcare, banking reform etc – which Krugman relentlessly trumpeted from his NYT column. So I’ve lost all respect for Krugman. As for Tom Freidman – well he was always addled.

    I am already regretting my vote, not that is mattered at all in NY. In case you missed it, Trump’s very first act is going to be a dismantlement of Dodd-Frank which have bank stocks on a tear!

    Yes, America already shows the first signs of being great again! The Alt-Right in this country – mostly fools.

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    "Trump’s very first act is going to be a dismantlement of Dodd-Frank" - Few month ago when Trump revealed his economic policy plan amounting to a tax cut (Reagan nonsense) I knew it's not going to be good.
    , @Astuteobservor II
    I wanted bernie to win so bad. when DNC did everything under the sun to torpedoed his campaign, I voted for trump.

    another thing, make sure you have some working capital in the next 4 years, disasters are always follow by opportunities.

    good luck to us all.
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  104. utu says:
    @Sam Shama
    You wrote much nonsense in an attempt draw flimsy comparisons.

    Despite misgivings, I voted Trump when my recent plans were to abstain altogether. While Krugman and company are operating in a well-known echo chamber, Krugman knows economic policy; an imperative he disgracefully set aside for a pathetic support of Hillary, abandoning Bernie, a candidate who reified the greater portion of all the theoretical models - including state college tuition relief, reduction of income inequality, universal healthcare, banking reform etc - which Krugman relentlessly trumpeted from his NYT column. So I've lost all respect for Krugman. As for Tom Freidman - well he was always addled.

    I am already regretting my vote, not that is mattered at all in NY. In case you missed it, Trump's very first act is going to be a dismantlement of Dodd-Frank which have bank stocks on a tear!

    Yes, America already shows the first signs of being great again! The Alt-Right in this country - mostly fools.

    “Trump’s very first act is going to be a dismantlement of Dodd-Frank” – Few month ago when Trump revealed his economic policy plan amounting to a tax cut (Reagan nonsense) I knew it’s not going to be good.

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  105. @Wizard of Oz
    Are you suggesting that powerless losers have changed their status as such merely by being one of many who found that they shared a common distaste for the loser in a two horse race?

    what is wrong with being one of many who went against the establishment and won? does that somehow take away from their collective victory? no matter how untrue or insignificant this is, they still won by voting against the “powerful”. at least in this instance, voting, they are as powerful as anyone else in this country. two horse race it was, but this election was very polarizing, to the point where the media actually ran out of words to label trump and his supporters :) but the “powerless” still won.

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  106. Corvinus says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    What correction process?
     
    Well, let me put it this way: to start making some sacrifices on the side of multi-national capital, for the benefit of ordinary citizens. Does it make sense to you?

    “Well, let me put it this way: to start making some sacrifices on the side of multi-national capital, for the benefit of ordinary citizens. Does it make sense to you?”

    Who is this multi-national capital you refer to? What sacrifices? Who are these ordinary citizens? Again, you are being vague.

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    Sacrifices, like perhaps sometimes not being able to export American jobs abroad, chasing cheap labor all over the world. Or not being able to keep suppressing domestic wages by employing desperate undocumented workers.

    And the 'ordinary citizen' is anyone whose job is at risk of being exported, who has to compete with undocumented migrants in the US, and, in general, with desperate people everywhere: in China, Bangladesh, Mexico, Bulgaria, you name it...

    What's so complicated?
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  107. @Sam Shama
    You wrote much nonsense in an attempt draw flimsy comparisons.

    Despite misgivings, I voted Trump when my recent plans were to abstain altogether. While Krugman and company are operating in a well-known echo chamber, Krugman knows economic policy; an imperative he disgracefully set aside for a pathetic support of Hillary, abandoning Bernie, a candidate who reified the greater portion of all the theoretical models - including state college tuition relief, reduction of income inequality, universal healthcare, banking reform etc - which Krugman relentlessly trumpeted from his NYT column. So I've lost all respect for Krugman. As for Tom Freidman - well he was always addled.

    I am already regretting my vote, not that is mattered at all in NY. In case you missed it, Trump's very first act is going to be a dismantlement of Dodd-Frank which have bank stocks on a tear!

    Yes, America already shows the first signs of being great again! The Alt-Right in this country - mostly fools.

    I wanted bernie to win so bad. when DNC did everything under the sun to torpedoed his campaign, I voted for trump.

    another thing, make sure you have some working capital in the next 4 years, disasters are always follow by opportunities.

    good luck to us all.

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  108. Corvinus says:
    @random observer
    I did indicate that my comments were not so much about any moral obligations of America to blacks as about the political realities of American demographics.

    I did not say Trump has an opportunity to 'make amends' or anything like that. I said he has a historic opportunity to reshape the future of America from a position of relative strength. Missing it will hand a bludgeon to the white enemies in the near term and to all other races as white become less numerous.

    Granted, the more the population shrinks the less it matters- whites need to breed. Consider the fate of the Christians of Lebanon. But so long as whites are a modest majority or a largest minority, a power structure built today can strengthen their position.

    “I said he has a historic opportunity to reshape the future of America from a position of relative strength.”

    For all citizens, not just whites.

    “Missing it will hand a bludgeon to the white enemies in the near term and to all other races as white become less numerous.”

    Nonsense. Not all whites agree with Trump policies nor support him–as evident by the 50-50 split–nor believe in HbD or race realism or Alt Right clap-trap. Remember, he is an elitist himself. He is not a conservative. One could even call him a cuck.

    “Granted, the more the population shrinks the less it matters- whites need to breed. Consider the fate of the Christians of Lebanon. But so long as whites are a modest majority or a largest minority, a power structure built today can strengthen their position.”

    First, whites can choose to breed. Hopefully, you have at least 5-8 offspring to make up for the difference.

    Second, that power structure is again for citizens, not whites.

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    Nonsense. Not all whites agree with Trump policies nor support him–as evident by the 50-50 split–nor believe in HbD or race realism or Alt Right clap-trap.
     
    Nonsense to your nonsense. Trump garnered nearly 60% of the white vote aided by white Democrats who switched party affiliation to vote for him in this election. Only around 21% of non-whites supported Trump which isn't surprising given the level of race chauvinism and tribalism they exhibit and which people like you deny.
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  109. hillary for president of ladies Cell Block B, US Penitentiary, Leavenworth.

    Stronger together!

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  110. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Druid
    60000, if that's true the culprits should all be hanged! I know quite a bit about Islam and I regret you calling the Moslem rape gangs. That's similar to Christian or Talmudic pimps! Shame on your characterization of the religion by your choice of words. Does this betray your bias, ask yourself!

    It is quite common. I don’t know about the number but a quick search will reveal some terrible stories of some big-time offenders, mostly of Pakistani origin, who have courted then turned out many really young, 13-15 year old schoolgirls, to prostitution using all means available, drugs, promises of love and marriage, drugs money, blackmail of parental and public exposure. It is for sure a very ugly picture and how there haven’t been any revenge murders, I don’t know. Perhaps it only comes out once the police have busted up the ring and from then on they’re protected.

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    "how there haven’t been any revenge murders, I don’t know"

    When distraught parents went to the police, they were often threatened with arrest.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/239615/uk-police-arrested-parents-trying-stop-muslims-daniel-greenfield

    The Brits are disarmed, and have never been fond of the knife.

    The perps have racial and religious solidarity, and their community has the support of The Powers That Be.

    A new development in the UK is that in response to the Muslim gangs now in pretty much every UK prison, Brits inside are reportedly joining something called 'Death Before Dishonour' - a sort of Aryan Nation for the UK.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3931472/Prison-gangs-convicted-murderers-start-sinister-Death-Dishonour-groups-protect-Muslim-inmates.html
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  111. @Corvinus
    "Well, let me put it this way: to start making some sacrifices on the side of multi-national capital, for the benefit of ordinary citizens. Does it make sense to you?"

    Who is this multi-national capital you refer to? What sacrifices? Who are these ordinary citizens? Again, you are being vague.

    Sacrifices, like perhaps sometimes not being able to export American jobs abroad, chasing cheap labor all over the world. Or not being able to keep suppressing domestic wages by employing desperate undocumented workers.

    And the ‘ordinary citizen’ is anyone whose job is at risk of being exported, who has to compete with undocumented migrants in the US, and, in general, with desperate people everywhere: in China, Bangladesh, Mexico, Bulgaria, you name it…

    What’s so complicated?

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    "Sacrifices, like perhaps sometimes not being able to export American jobs abroad, chasing cheap labor all over the world."

    That requires existing laws to be enforced, or new legislation to be created. Are not these laws an affront to capitalism? Should not business owners be able to maximize profits as how they see fit?

    "Or not being able to keep suppressing domestic wages by employing desperate undocumented workers."

    Assuming that this event occurs, will not prices rise in the end? Would not businesses who have paid lower wages to illegal workers then make up the difference to pay for the higher wages for legal workers?

    "And the ‘ordinary citizen’ is anyone whose job is at risk of being exported, who has to compete with undocumented migrants in the US, and, in general, with desperate people everywhere: in China, Bangladesh, Mexico, Bulgaria, you name it…"

    So, ordinary citizens would be whites, blacks, Asians, and Hispanics, right?
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  112. KenH says:
    @Corvinus
    "I said he has a historic opportunity to reshape the future of America from a position of relative strength."

    For all citizens, not just whites.

    "Missing it will hand a bludgeon to the white enemies in the near term and to all other races as white become less numerous."

    Nonsense. Not all whites agree with Trump policies nor support him--as evident by the 50-50 split--nor believe in HbD or race realism or Alt Right clap-trap. Remember, he is an elitist himself. He is not a conservative. One could even call him a cuck.

    "Granted, the more the population shrinks the less it matters- whites need to breed. Consider the fate of the Christians of Lebanon. But so long as whites are a modest majority or a largest minority, a power structure built today can strengthen their position."

    First, whites can choose to breed. Hopefully, you have at least 5-8 offspring to make up for the difference.

    Second, that power structure is again for citizens, not whites.

    Nonsense. Not all whites agree with Trump policies nor support him–as evident by the 50-50 split–nor believe in HbD or race realism or Alt Right clap-trap.

    Nonsense to your nonsense. Trump garnered nearly 60% of the white vote aided by white Democrats who switched party affiliation to vote for him in this election. Only around 21% of non-whites supported Trump which isn’t surprising given the level of race chauvinism and tribalism they exhibit and which people like you deny.

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    The 50-50 split represents those who voted.

    "Trump garnered nearly 60% of the white vote aided by white Democrats who switched party affiliation to vote for him in this election."

    With those same whites voting for Obama in 2008 and 2012.
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  113. folktruther :

    “you sad boob”

    Yep typical leftist Dumbkopf, when you have no bonafide arguments then you blast out the personal insults, however such infantile tripe as ” Poor boob” I do not even register.

    You are full of it.

    Authenticjazz “Mensa” Society member since 1973, and pro jazz artist.

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  114. Corvinus says:
    @KenH

    Nonsense. Not all whites agree with Trump policies nor support him–as evident by the 50-50 split–nor believe in HbD or race realism or Alt Right clap-trap.
     
    Nonsense to your nonsense. Trump garnered nearly 60% of the white vote aided by white Democrats who switched party affiliation to vote for him in this election. Only around 21% of non-whites supported Trump which isn't surprising given the level of race chauvinism and tribalism they exhibit and which people like you deny.

    The 50-50 split represents those who voted.

    “Trump garnered nearly 60% of the white vote aided by white Democrats who switched party affiliation to vote for him in this election.”

    With those same whites voting for Obama in 2008 and 2012.

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  115. Corvinus says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji
    Sacrifices, like perhaps sometimes not being able to export American jobs abroad, chasing cheap labor all over the world. Or not being able to keep suppressing domestic wages by employing desperate undocumented workers.

    And the 'ordinary citizen' is anyone whose job is at risk of being exported, who has to compete with undocumented migrants in the US, and, in general, with desperate people everywhere: in China, Bangladesh, Mexico, Bulgaria, you name it...

    What's so complicated?

    “Sacrifices, like perhaps sometimes not being able to export American jobs abroad, chasing cheap labor all over the world.”

    That requires existing laws to be enforced, or new legislation to be created. Are not these laws an affront to capitalism? Should not business owners be able to maximize profits as how they see fit?

    “Or not being able to keep suppressing domestic wages by employing desperate undocumented workers.”

    Assuming that this event occurs, will not prices rise in the end? Would not businesses who have paid lower wages to illegal workers then make up the difference to pay for the higher wages for legal workers?

    “And the ‘ordinary citizen’ is anyone whose job is at risk of being exported, who has to compete with undocumented migrants in the US, and, in general, with desperate people everywhere: in China, Bangladesh, Mexico, Bulgaria, you name it…”

    So, ordinary citizens would be whites, blacks, Asians, and Hispanics, right?

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    Are not these laws an affront to capitalism?
     
    To globalism. I'm not a proponent of capitalism, but surely there are different flavors. It's one thing to support the national bourgeoisie - a parasite that, at least, has a strong incentive to keep the host alive and healthy - vs the supra-national capital, that destroys a country and moves into the next...

    will not prices rise in the end
     
    Somewhat, yes. At the beginning. Upward pressure on wages is an incentive for automation. I remember seeing a self-cleaning toilet in Vevey, Switzerland, about 10 years ago. The minimum wage was already near $20/hr there at the time. And yes, prices are a bit higher. But the unemployment rate is zilch.

    So, ordinary citizens would be whites, blacks, Asians, and Hispanics, right?
     
    Sure. What's that all about? Who cares in what part of the world your ancestors lived...
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  116. @Corvinus
    "Sacrifices, like perhaps sometimes not being able to export American jobs abroad, chasing cheap labor all over the world."

    That requires existing laws to be enforced, or new legislation to be created. Are not these laws an affront to capitalism? Should not business owners be able to maximize profits as how they see fit?

    "Or not being able to keep suppressing domestic wages by employing desperate undocumented workers."

    Assuming that this event occurs, will not prices rise in the end? Would not businesses who have paid lower wages to illegal workers then make up the difference to pay for the higher wages for legal workers?

    "And the ‘ordinary citizen’ is anyone whose job is at risk of being exported, who has to compete with undocumented migrants in the US, and, in general, with desperate people everywhere: in China, Bangladesh, Mexico, Bulgaria, you name it…"

    So, ordinary citizens would be whites, blacks, Asians, and Hispanics, right?

    Are not these laws an affront to capitalism?

    To globalism. I’m not a proponent of capitalism, but surely there are different flavors. It’s one thing to support the national bourgeoisie – a parasite that, at least, has a strong incentive to keep the host alive and healthy – vs the supra-national capital, that destroys a country and moves into the next…

    will not prices rise in the end

    Somewhat, yes. At the beginning. Upward pressure on wages is an incentive for automation. I remember seeing a self-cleaning toilet in Vevey, Switzerland, about 10 years ago. The minimum wage was already near $20/hr there at the time. And yes, prices are a bit higher. But the unemployment rate is zilch.

    So, ordinary citizens would be whites, blacks, Asians, and Hispanics, right?

    Sure. What’s that all about? Who cares in what part of the world your ancestors lived…

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  117. Corvinus says:

    “To globalism. I’m not a proponent of capitalism, but surely there are different flavors. It’s one thing to support the national bourgeoisie – a parasite that, at least, has a strong incentive to keep the host alive and healthy – vs the supra-national capital, that destroys a country and moves into the next…”

    No, the laws that take away a business owner’s ability to personally control their property is an affront to capitalism, not globalism.

    “Somewhat, yes. At the beginning. Upward pressure on wages is an incentive for automation. I remember seeing a self-cleaning toilet in Vevey, Switzerland, about 10 years ago. The minimum wage was already near $20/hr there at the time. And yes, prices are a bit higher. But the unemployment rate is zilch.”

    Except the United States is not Switzerland.

    “So, ordinary citizens would be whites, blacks, Asians, and Hispanics, right? Sure. What’s that all about? Who cares in what part of the world your ancestors lived…”

    The Alt Right cares, that’s who. They tend to have a disdain for race mixing. You know, white countries are for white people.

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  118. No, the laws that take away a business owner’s ability to personally control their property is an affront to capitalism, not globalism.

    In that case, any business regulation is an affront to capitalism. Also, the law of gravity and the second law of thermodynamics. And what of it?

    Except the United States is not Switzerland

    Well, I hope it will be more like Switzerland, in that way. That’s the whole point.

    The Alt Right cares, that’s who

    What do I care what the mythical alt-right, the boogeyman invented by the Clinton campaign, cares about?

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  119. Frank M. says:
    @22pp22
    In Britain, Muslim rape gangs have groomed, raped, pimped and drugged at least 60,000 white children.

    Channel 4, the Times, the BBC, the police and social services all knew but felt that the lives of white trash girls were worth less than the hurt feelings of Muslims.

    By covering up the truth, the "elite" condemned thousands of children an early dose of venereal disease. Yet they seem incapable of recognising that they did anything wrong.

    Their obvious contempt for me and mine is now reciprocated with interest. I despise them and do not consider them either "elite" or in any way the legitimate representatives of the British people. They remain in power only because they have imported tame voters from the Third World.

    Those tame voters despise them almost as almost as much as I do but lend them temporary support because it is still in their interest to do so.

    I don’t know. Your 60,000 number has the feel of 9/11 and the holocaust : staged and made up! it is perhaps for that reason that you neglected to choose name, even a fake one!

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    See my reply to Druid. Before making accusations, try using Google.
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  120. Solemnity says:

    The Bush family, Mitt Romney, the maniacal John McCain and the rest of the RINOs should be forever marginalized or kicked out of the party.

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  121. Boris N says:
    @OutWest
    Just to explore your thought, why not make the first six months after birth the termination period? The terminated wouldn’t have meaningful awareness. And the mother (only mothers count) would have an opportunity to examin3e the goods. Maybe even offload the burden on someone else.

    On the whole, it seems much easier to just avoid pregnancy in the first place as opposed to burdening society with dealing with the issue.

    Just to explore your thought, why not make the first six months after birth the termination period? The terminated wouldn’t have meaningful awareness. And the mother (only mothers count) would have an opportunity to examin3e the goods. Maybe even offload the burden on someone else.

    You’ve just made several logical fallacies including reductio ad absurdum. It is so utterly absurd that it’s pointless to discuss your thought (it’s NOT my thought). Both you and I know why.

    On the whole, it seems much easier to just avoid pregnancy in the first place as opposed to burdening society with dealing with the issue.

    It is the opposite. Nobody burdens the society, it is the society thinks it must burden itself with such a strictly personal issue as to give or not to give birth to their own potential children. Other people just must understand it is not really their business. And not to put that delicate issue into politics, simply not to manipulate this topic to gain political power or discredit a rival. That probably all I wanted to say (though I wrote a little too much than needed, but I’m verbose). I was not going to argue about abortions in general and I was not going to take sides, either pro-life or pro-choice (I’m neither).

    Frankly, I don’t clearly understand why I’ve raised this off-topic issue here (though Trump once raised this question during the debates, so it’s not that off-topic). Clearly, I must not be worried if one million American “babies” are being “killed” every year. Or instead, if abortion would become illegal in America, what might happen to that one million of undesired babies or if people might go to jail for murders through abortion. Probably, it’s just the more I know about America, the more I’m bitterly surprised and disappointed. When in most developed and many developing countries abortion is a normal and legal practice (of course, with definite conditions and limitations, and, of course, it does not mean the women there have no difficult moral dilemmas when doing this), and hardly anyone there tries to make it illegal again (only, maybe, some religious people), in America abortion is still a very hotly debated question, like we are living not in 2016, but in 1956 (I know it’s been legal in America for more than 40 years, but). Obviously, it’s another case where America is very backward comparing with other First World countries.

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    It is the opposite. Nobody burdens the society, it is the society thinks it must burden itself with such a strictly personal issue as to give or not to give birth to their own potential children.
     
    There is a heavy presence of Roman Catholicism, and concomitant "anti-abortion" nonsense, running through the so-called "alt-right". You see that form of thought development frequently among the religious right-wing: an obsession with abortion, regardless of how irrelevant it is to governance of the nation and to economic viability.
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  122. Boris N says:
    @Che Guava
    I get tired of people not knowing much of Japan and its history making claims like yours.

    I get tired of people not knowing much of Japan and its history making claims like yours.

    I get tired of people not knowing much about other people making claims like yours. You say like Japan is a Christian nation and I do not know that, but you do, so I’m ignorant and you are very well informed. Good for you, then.

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  123. 22pp22 says:
    @Druid
    60000, if that's true the culprits should all be hanged! I know quite a bit about Islam and I regret you calling the Moslem rape gangs. That's similar to Christian or Talmudic pimps! Shame on your characterization of the religion by your choice of words. Does this betray your bias, ask yourself!

    I am so sick of this crap. I am not making wild accusations. This went on for decades with sanctimonious scum saying “Tut, tut, tut, Islam is a beautiful religion.”

    http://www.pmclauth.com/sentenced/Grooming-Gang-Statistics/Gangs-Jailed

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Charlene_Downes

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2141279/Rochdale-child-sex-trial-Police-hunt-40-suspects-promise-arrests.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/15/rotherham-child-sexual-abuse-scandal-tip-iceberg-police-chief

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/697583/Rotherham-abuse-scandal-child-grooming-gangs-industrial-scale-victims-CSE

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/27/children-sexually-exploit_n_5722398.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3724178/The-360-000-year-New-Zealand-judge-RESIGNS-head-child-abuse-inquiry.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11443868/300-victims-groomed-and-assaulted-by-Oxfordshire-gangs-report-finds.html

    http://europe.newsweek.com/thousands-missing-children-care-system-could-be-sexually-exploited-311607

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9318406/Sexual-exploitation-of-white-girls-is-problem-in-Asian-communities-claims-prosecutor.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9330328/Child-grooming-scandals-only-tip-of-the-iceberg-says-Government-minister.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang#cite_note-telegraph2-16

    I could carry on all days proving my point, but I am sure you would find some reason to justify it.

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  124. 22pp22 says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    The tone of it made me wlnder about the 60,000 figure too.

    Sickening comment. Try using Google. I have collected some reading material for you. There were 1400 known victims in one town alone. You can find the links under my reply to Druid.

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  125. 22pp22 says:
    @Frank M.
    I don't know. Your 60,000 number has the feel of 9/11 and the holocaust : staged and made up! it is perhaps for that reason that you neglected to choose name, even a fake one!

    See my reply to Druid. Before making accusations, try using Google.

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  126. 22pp22 says:
    @Druid
    60000, if that's true the culprits should all be hanged! I know quite a bit about Islam and I regret you calling the Moslem rape gangs. That's similar to Christian or Talmudic pimps! Shame on your characterization of the religion by your choice of words. Does this betray your bias, ask yourself!
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  127. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "Kip Russell"] says:
    @Boris N

    Just to explore your thought, why not make the first six months after birth the termination period? The terminated wouldn’t have meaningful awareness. And the mother (only mothers count) would have an opportunity to examin3e the goods. Maybe even offload the burden on someone else.
     
    You've just made several logical fallacies including reductio ad absurdum. It is so utterly absurd that it's pointless to discuss your thought (it's NOT my thought). Both you and I know why.

    On the whole, it seems much easier to just avoid pregnancy in the first place as opposed to burdening society with dealing with the issue.
     
    It is the opposite. Nobody burdens the society, it is the society thinks it must burden itself with such a strictly personal issue as to give or not to give birth to their own potential children. Other people just must understand it is not really their business. And not to put that delicate issue into politics, simply not to manipulate this topic to gain political power or discredit a rival. That probably all I wanted to say (though I wrote a little too much than needed, but I'm verbose). I was not going to argue about abortions in general and I was not going to take sides, either pro-life or pro-choice (I'm neither).

    Frankly, I don't clearly understand why I've raised this off-topic issue here (though Trump once raised this question during the debates, so it's not that off-topic). Clearly, I must not be worried if one million American "babies" are being "killed" every year. Or instead, if abortion would become illegal in America, what might happen to that one million of undesired babies or if people might go to jail for murders through abortion. Probably, it's just the more I know about America, the more I'm bitterly surprised and disappointed. When in most developed and many developing countries abortion is a normal and legal practice (of course, with definite conditions and limitations, and, of course, it does not mean the women there have no difficult moral dilemmas when doing this), and hardly anyone there tries to make it illegal again (only, maybe, some religious people), in America abortion is still a very hotly debated question, like we are living not in 2016, but in 1956 (I know it's been legal in America for more than 40 years, but). Obviously, it's another case where America is very backward comparing with other First World countries.

    It is the opposite. Nobody burdens the society, it is the society thinks it must burden itself with such a strictly personal issue as to give or not to give birth to their own potential children.

    There is a heavy presence of Roman Catholicism, and concomitant “anti-abortion” nonsense, running through the so-called “alt-right”. You see that form of thought development frequently among the religious right-wing: an obsession with abortion, regardless of how irrelevant it is to governance of the nation and to economic viability.

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  128. @Anon
    It is quite common. I don't know about the number but a quick search will reveal some terrible stories of some big-time offenders, mostly of Pakistani origin, who have courted then turned out many really young, 13-15 year old schoolgirls, to prostitution using all means available, drugs, promises of love and marriage, drugs money, blackmail of parental and public exposure. It is for sure a very ugly picture and how there haven't been any revenge murders, I don't know. Perhaps it only comes out once the police have busted up the ring and from then on they're protected.

    “how there haven’t been any revenge murders, I don’t know”

    When distraught parents went to the police, they were often threatened with arrest.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/239615/uk-police-arrested-parents-trying-stop-muslims-daniel-greenfield

    The Brits are disarmed, and have never been fond of the knife.

    The perps have racial and religious solidarity, and their community has the support of The Powers That Be.

    A new development in the UK is that in response to the Muslim gangs now in pretty much every UK prison, Brits inside are reportedly joining something called ‘Death Before Dishonour’ – a sort of Aryan Nation for the UK.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3931472/Prison-gangs-convicted-murderers-start-sinister-Death-Dishonour-groups-protect-Muslim-inmates.html

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