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On Aug. 9, 1974, Richard Nixon bowed to the inevitability of impeachment and conviction by a Democratic Senate and resigned.

The prospect of such an end for Donald Trump has this city drooling. Yet, comparing Russiagate and Watergate, history is not likely to repeat itself.

First, the underlying crime in Watergate, a break-in to wiretap offices of the DNC, had been traced, within 48 hours, to the Committee to Re-Elect the President.

In Russiagate, the underlying crime — the “collusion” of Trump’s campaign with the Kremlin to hack into the emails of the DNC — has, after 18 months of investigating, still not been established.

Campaign manager Paul Manafort has been indicted, but for financial crimes committed long before he enlisted with Trump.

Gen. Michael Flynn has pled guilty to lying about phone calls he made to Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, but only after Trump had been elected and Flynn had been named national security adviser.

Flynn asked Kislyak for help in blocking or postponing a Security Council resolution denouncing Israel, and to tell Vladimir Putin not to go ballistic over President Obama’s expulsion of 35 Russian diplomats.

This is what security advisers do.

Why Flynn let himself be ensnared in a perjury trap, when he had to know his calls were recorded, is puzzling.

Second, it is said Trump obstructed justice when he fired FBI Director James Comey for refusing to cut slack for Flynn.

But even Comey admits Trump acted within his authority.

And Comey had usurped the authority of Justice Department prosecutors when he announced in July 2016 that Hillary Clinton ought not to be prosecuted for having been “extremely careless” in transmitting security secrets over her private email server.

We now know that the first draft of Comey’s statement described Clinton as “grossly negligent,” the precise statute language for an indictment.

We also now know that helping to edit Comey’s first draft to soften its impact was Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe. His wife, Jill McCabe, a candidate for state senate in Virginia, received $467,000 in campaign contributions from the PAC of Clinton bundler Terry McAuliffe.

Comey has also admitted he leaked to The New York Times details of a one-on-one with Trump to trigger the naming of a special counsel — to go after Trump. And that assignment somehow fell to Comey’s predecessor, friend, and confidant Robert Mueller.

Mueller swiftly hired half a dozen prosecutorial bulldogs who had been Clinton contributors, and Andrew Weissmann, a Trump hater who had congratulated Acting Attorney General Sally Yates for refusing to carry out Trump’s travel ban.

FBI official Peter Strzok had to be been removed from the Mueller probe for hatred of Trump manifest in texts to his FBI lady friend.

Strzok was also involved in the investigation of Clinton’s email server and is said to have been the one who persuaded Comey to tone down his language about her misconduct, and let Hillary walk.

ORDER IT NOW

In Mueller’s tenure, still no Trump tie to the hacking of the DNC has been found. But a connection between Hillary’s campaign and Russian spies — to find dirt to smear and destroy Trump and his campaign — has been fairly well established.
By June 2016, the Clinton campaign and DNC had begun shoveling millions of dollars to the Perkins Coie law firm, which had hired the oppo research firm Fusion GPS, to go dirt-diving on Trump.

Fusion contacted ex-British MI6 spy Christopher Steele, who had ties to former KGB and FSB intelligence agents in Russia. They began to feed Steele, who fed Fusion, which fed the U.S. anti-Trump media with the alleged dirty deeds of Trump in Moscow hotels.

While the truth of the dirty dossier has never been established, Comey’s FBI rose like a hungry trout on learning of its contents.

There are credible allegations Comey’s FBI sought to hire Steele and used the dirt in his dossier to broaden the investigation of Trump — and that its contents were also used to justify FISA warrants on Trump and his people.

This week, we learned that the Justice Department’s Bruce Ohr had contacts with Fusion during the campaign, while his wife actually worked at Fusion investigating Trump. This thing is starting to stink.

Is the Trump investigation the rotten fruit of a poisoned tree?

Is Mueller’s Dump Trump team investigating the wrong campaign?

There are other reasons to believe Trump may survive the deep state-media conspiracy to break his presidency, overturn his mandate, and reinstate a discredited establishment.

Trump has Fox News and fighting congressmen behind him and the mainstream media is deeply distrusted and widely detested. And there is no Democratic House to impeach him or Democratic Senate to convict him.

Moreover, Trump is not Nixon, who, like Charles I, accepted his fate and let the executioner’s sword fall with dignity.

If Trump goes, one imagines, he will not go quietly.

In the words of the great Jerry Lee Lewis, there’s gonna be a “whole lotta shakin’ goin’ on.”

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Charles I
    His mistake was that he did not put enough guards for the coach carrying the payroll for his army.
    Cromwell stole the money and so the faith of Charles l was sealed.
    His head was cut off by axe and not sword.

    p.s. I do love Patrick he cuts straight to the bone without any embellishment.

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  2. that’s OK, Pat.

    having betrayed the Whites who voted for him on every issue that matters,

    I’d like to see Trumpenthal removed from the WH

    kicking and screaming.

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    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    I’d like to see every democrat hanged.
    , @englishmike

    I’d like to see Trumpenthal removed from the WH
     
    To be replaced with what?
    , @Corvinus
    "having betrayed the Whites who voted for him on every issue that matters..."

    Betrayed voters, not Whites.

    And by the way, you have a Freudian fixation on Jewish women.
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  3. @Haxo Angmark
    that's OK, Pat.

    having betrayed the Whites who voted for him on every issue that matters,

    I'd like to see Trumpenthal removed from the WH

    kicking and screaming.

    I’d like to see every democrat hanged.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I’d like to see every democrat hanged."

    Wishful thinking on your part. Even if you were asked to do it, you (fortunately) lack the stones to actually carry it out.
    , @Thomm

    “I’d like to see every democrat hanged.”
     
    Perhaps. But remember that race nationalism is also a left-wing ideology.

    The only thing that is right-wing is small government/free markets.
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  4. @Haxo Angmark
    that's OK, Pat.

    having betrayed the Whites who voted for him on every issue that matters,

    I'd like to see Trumpenthal removed from the WH

    kicking and screaming.

    I’d like to see Trumpenthal removed from the WH

    To be replaced with what?

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    • Replies: @Tsar Nicholas

    To be replaced with what?
     
    Mike Pence, of course.

    We can all die secure in the knowledge that missile operators obeyed their orders and that the human race perished without Mike sharing a Diet Dr Pepper with a woman he wasn't married to.
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  5. unit472 says:

    As Comey and his deputies are about to find out when you conspire to kill the king you had better not fail. They’ve failed and they and their allies will pay a dear price!

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  6. @englishmike

    I’d like to see Trumpenthal removed from the WH
     
    To be replaced with what?

    To be replaced with what?

    Mike Pence, of course.

    We can all die secure in the knowledge that missile operators obeyed their orders and that the human race perished without Mike sharing a Diet Dr Pepper with a woman he wasn’t married to.

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    • Replies: @englishmike
    For a moment there, I thought someone was suggesting that Tsar Nicholas should replace Trump.
    More Russian collusion.
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  7. Johann says:

    I would hope that he would not go quietly but would bring the whole corrupt deep state and its pornographic media down with him. Civil wars have started for less and I would like to see how hilary’s girlyboy army would perform under real power; would Stephen Colbert use his snark bomb?

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  8. J1234 says:

    I think Pat’s worst case scenario won’t materialize, and most people don’t believe it will. People will see impeachment efforts for what they are: circumvention of the democratic process. This is exactly the reason that previous presidents who have been impeached by the House haven’t been convicted by the Senate – the fear within Congress that it will be seen by the public more as a hostile coup than a legitimate legal process. There’s always that fear in removing people put in office by public vote. By contrast, federal judges have been impeached and convicted and removed from office a dozen times or so in our history.

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  9. Corvinus says:
    @Haxo Angmark
    that's OK, Pat.

    having betrayed the Whites who voted for him on every issue that matters,

    I'd like to see Trumpenthal removed from the WH

    kicking and screaming.

    “having betrayed the Whites who voted for him on every issue that matters…”

    Betrayed voters, not Whites.

    And by the way, you have a Freudian fixation on Jewish women.

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    Do you understand the meaning of the phrase "Freudian fixation"?
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  10. Corvinus says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    I’d like to see every democrat hanged.

    “I’d like to see every democrat hanged.”

    Wishful thinking on your part. Even if you were asked to do it, you (fortunately) lack the stones to actually carry it out.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    see =/= asked to do

    Remedial English, I'm telling you.
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  11. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump is naturally a combative type who punches back every time. Only an independently wealthy person with his personal predisposition could have won this past election in spite of the avalanche of slime Clinton tried to pour down on him. Anyone else would have folded up and today we’d have a president Clinton in office. Think of the horror show that would be. It’s clear that institutions like the FBI have become corrupt and the leadership rotten. In retrospect the much maligned Hoover looks better every day. Something needs to be done about this corruption of the FBI which seems to stem from the Clintons. Trump won fair and square and these campaigns against him are underhanded and anti-democratic. They need to go ahead and summon up the courage to call the Clintons to account for their massive corruption and indict them. Otherwise we have two systems of justice, one for everybody and a special one for the connected who get a pass.

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    • Replies: @MarkinLa
    Something needs to be done about this corruption of the FBI which seems to stem from the Clintons.

    Yes, one needs to emphasize the word "this" in your post because the FBI has been corrupt for as long as I can remember.
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  12. Jebsyoli says:

    Pat, I hope you are right, but I am not holding my breath. No offense to baby boomers, but Trump is a WASP boomer and the odds of him fighting back against the money changers is small. When push comes to shove, boomers always choose golf, NFL and their 401k over everything else. The only reason he was attacking them during the election was because he didn’t really fully understood the group dynamics behind the current political discourse. He thought he was just standing up to the leftists. I don’t think he fully grasps where this leftism comes from.

    If anything, the removal of Trump might signal the end of an era and beginning of a new one. The days of having boomers auction off our country to foreigners is finally coming to an end. And how fitting it is that the last president to preside over this mess is a Philo-Semitic boomer who doesn’t understand why the tribe hates him and is being humiliated by the them.

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  13. MarkinLa says:
    @anonymous
    Trump is naturally a combative type who punches back every time. Only an independently wealthy person with his personal predisposition could have won this past election in spite of the avalanche of slime Clinton tried to pour down on him. Anyone else would have folded up and today we'd have a president Clinton in office. Think of the horror show that would be. It's clear that institutions like the FBI have become corrupt and the leadership rotten. In retrospect the much maligned Hoover looks better every day. Something needs to be done about this corruption of the FBI which seems to stem from the Clintons. Trump won fair and square and these campaigns against him are underhanded and anti-democratic. They need to go ahead and summon up the courage to call the Clintons to account for their massive corruption and indict them. Otherwise we have two systems of justice, one for everybody and a special one for the connected who get a pass.

    Something needs to be done about this corruption of the FBI which seems to stem from the Clintons.

    Yes, one needs to emphasize the word “this” in your post because the FBI has been corrupt for as long as I can remember.

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  14. MEexpert says:

    On Aug. 9, 1974, Richard Nixon bowed to the inevitability of impeachment and conviction by a Democratic Senate and resigned.

    In old days even politicians had some integrity. Nixon was no different. He saw the danger to the republic and preferred the personal sacrifice over the loss to the nation.

    The prospect of such an end for Donald Trump has this city drooling. Yet, comparing Russiagate and Watergate, history is not likely to repeat itself.

    Today, politicians are no better than prostitutes. They will do anything for the money, even sell out the nation. Trump is no different. He is in it for the money. His “Make America Great Again” slogan was just that; a slogan. He is the master of the art of dealing and he dealt a crooked hand to the gullible nation. He has been dealing out more crooked hands ever since his inauguration. Every time he says “Make America Great Again,” he pulls an Ace from the bottom of the deck. Everything he has done has been for the benefit of Wall Street and Israel or am I being redundant?

    President Eisenhower warned the nation against the power of the Military-Industrial-Complex (MIC). Both the Wall Street and Israel control the Military-Industrial-Complex and the MIC along with the Congress and the intelligence community control the rest. We are nothing but hostages to the cruel circumstances.

    If Trump goes, one imagines, he will not go quietly.

    And it is as should be. Who in the present political system has the moral superiority to demand that Trump leave the office to which he was properly elected by the people, Russia-Gate charade not withstanding. We had a choice of electing lesser of the two crooks. We chose Trump. In a democracy we live by our decisions. We are quick to impose democracy on other nations but don’t follow our own rules.

    Since the election the US has spent millions of dollars on frivolous law suits and investigations without any results. Innocent people are trapped and convicted by the same people who are supposed to protect them and we jump up and down, wave our hands, and shout at the top of our voice that our democracy is working. All the while the world is laughing at us.

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    Regarding Richard Nixon: In 1952, Senator Nixon resigned his office early in order that his successor, Republican Senator-Elect Thomas Kuchel, would gain seniority over the other freshman Senators. In doing so, Nixon lost his Senatorial pension because he did not serve two full years. Dick Nixon knew how to take one for the team.
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  15. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "I’d like to see every democrat hanged."

    Wishful thinking on your part. Even if you were asked to do it, you (fortunately) lack the stones to actually carry it out.

    see =/= asked to do

    Remedial English, I’m telling you.

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    "I’d like to see every democrat hanged."

    Certainly Ilyana Rozumov is of the mindset that if Democrats were hanged, he would be ecstatic. I took it one step further in asking him to act upon his feelings, and correctly noted he lacks the guts to engage in that conduct. He would rather have someone else to do and get his jollies watching it, rather than actually doing something about it.
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  16. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "having betrayed the Whites who voted for him on every issue that matters..."

    Betrayed voters, not Whites.

    And by the way, you have a Freudian fixation on Jewish women.

    Do you understand the meaning of the phrase “Freudian fixation”?

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  17. @Tsar Nicholas

    To be replaced with what?
     
    Mike Pence, of course.

    We can all die secure in the knowledge that missile operators obeyed their orders and that the human race perished without Mike sharing a Diet Dr Pepper with a woman he wasn't married to.

    For a moment there, I thought someone was suggesting that Tsar Nicholas should replace Trump.
    More Russian collusion.

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  18. pyrrhus says:

    Buchanan doesn’t seem to understand that the whole Russian thing has been proven a criminal hoax…or has he sold out. There will be no Trump impeachment or coup, because the military backs him (apart from a few traitors in the Pentagon) to the hilt.

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    "...to the hilt." I like it.
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  19. Thomm says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    I’d like to see every democrat hanged.

    “I’d like to see every democrat hanged.”

    Perhaps. But remember that race nationalism is also a left-wing ideology.

    The only thing that is right-wing is small government/free markets.

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    • Replies: @Kevin C.

    The only thing that is right-wing is small government/free markets.
     
    Tell that to the original Right-wing — the right wing of the National Assembly (June 13-July 9, 1789) during the French Revolution, wherein were seated the supporters of King Louis XVI, the Catholic Church, and the Ancien Régime. In what possible sense are supporters of monarchy, hereditary aristocracy, establishment of religion, and feudal social modes "left-wing"? To dub them so is to utterly abuse the language.
    , @nebulafox
    It is true that racial nationalism does have an eerie parallel with the class warfare ideal. Unlike many of his right-wing contemporaries in "fascist" governments, Hitler was a revolutionary, if a rightist one, not a reactionary: he wanted to overthrow European order and society to a degree unprecedented by any predecessor, even Napoleon. Ostensibly despising revolution, he ironically became the German form of it. More concretely, racial nationalism has to be compatible with socialistic desires. If you, by definition, care about all members of your race above all others, without regard for objective quality or social class, that stands as somewhat opposed to market goals. It also stands as opposed to valuing the noble in man, or tradition, or anything else conservatism historically values. Racial nationalism is inherently, irredeemably populist, by its very nature. Nietzsche nailed this problem with race-obsession-and the merits of racial mixing, from an objective viewpoint. In his case, the Prussian military caste and the most intellectual Jews-very well.

    But free markets? Burke, the Adams duo, Hamilton, Disraeli, Bismarck, Theodore Roosevelt, Churchill, De Gaulle, Adenauer, and Lee Kwan Yew, none of whom was "liberal" by a remote stretch, would all care to disagree. If you value a hierarchal view of human nature, unless you want to eventually face revolution, it is natural that a society has social obligations to the poor and indigent, let alone average members. The current version of conservatism, as pushed by the GOP, has its roots in the later phase of the Cold War, the free market aspect of it that predates it somewhat with anti-Communism. Conservatism existed before then. /in other countries, in part because of America's sheer dominance in the world, this dynamic can be seen (say, the BJP's embrace of market economics along with Hindu nationalism, or Likud in Israel), but this is also inherently tied in with America's very, very Whiggish national psychology. That's not the case all over the world, let alone historically. The alt-right, for all its incoherence, seems to grasp the fact that the GOP as it stands-embracing intervention abroad, a near religious approach to free market economics, and reactionary as opposed to realistic social sentiment-is not really all that "conservative". (Also raises the question whether there is much worth conserving in America these days, but that's another topic...)

    That all doesn't mean the market cannot, per se, be identified as an integral part of conservatism if it serves the goals of propagating societal stability, your culture, and state interests-the Cold War made this clear-but businessmen who by definition are interested in profits typically aren't concerned with maintaining tradition or stability, especially with the Westphalian nature of interstate affairs traditionally championed by conservatives standing in direct opposition to their interests, as we see with oligarchs now. Economic systems and approaches are nothing but tools, to be used at convenience.

    Small government and free markets is about freedom, which is traditionally something associated with naturally liberal characters. There's nothing wrong with that. But free markets are inevitably tied in with radical cultural change and liberation, to say nothing of political change. Not exactly "conserving" affairs. Traditionally, conservatism values order and stability over the freedom and justice that liberals care about, and is inherently anti-ideological and pragmatic to contrast with the impressive ideological systems and principles of liberals. (Note: I speak of liberals. Not leftists, who, as of 2017 in the United States, are too intellectually limited to be worth discussing in detail in this context.) That's why traditional free market economics is known as "classical liberalism", historically, or how what China and India and Vietnam did decades ago was known as "economic liberalization".

    A successful society doesn't let either natural personality type-liberal or conservative-dominate completely. The two collaborate-yin and yang-to create gradual yet steady progress. A society dominated by nothing but natural conservatives would be as psychopathic, drab, ripe for revolution and cold as the converse would be decadent, shallow, undisciplined, and easy prey for external enemies. And when conservatives attempt to devote themselves to liberal causes-Bush II is a prominent case-the results are often disastrous. Same in reverse: it is painful to see liberals try to advocate being tough with Russia and defending state power in part because they are so visibly bad at it.

    Ugh... high functioning autistic information dumping. I'm sorry. Getting it all out while I can....

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  20. Discard says:
    @pyrrhus
    Buchanan doesn't seem to understand that the whole Russian thing has been proven a criminal hoax...or has he sold out. There will be no Trump impeachment or coup, because the military backs him (apart from a few traitors in the Pentagon) to the hilt.

    “…to the hilt.” I like it.

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  21. Discard says:
    @MEexpert

    On Aug. 9, 1974, Richard Nixon bowed to the inevitability of impeachment and conviction by a Democratic Senate and resigned.
     
    In old days even politicians had some integrity. Nixon was no different. He saw the danger to the republic and preferred the personal sacrifice over the loss to the nation.

    The prospect of such an end for Donald Trump has this city drooling. Yet, comparing Russiagate and Watergate, history is not likely to repeat itself.
     
    Today, politicians are no better than prostitutes. They will do anything for the money, even sell out the nation. Trump is no different. He is in it for the money. His "Make America Great Again" slogan was just that; a slogan. He is the master of the art of dealing and he dealt a crooked hand to the gullible nation. He has been dealing out more crooked hands ever since his inauguration. Every time he says "Make America Great Again," he pulls an Ace from the bottom of the deck. Everything he has done has been for the benefit of Wall Street and Israel or am I being redundant?

    President Eisenhower warned the nation against the power of the Military-Industrial-Complex (MIC). Both the Wall Street and Israel control the Military-Industrial-Complex and the MIC along with the Congress and the intelligence community control the rest. We are nothing but hostages to the cruel circumstances.


    If Trump goes, one imagines, he will not go quietly.
     
    And it is as should be. Who in the present political system has the moral superiority to demand that Trump leave the office to which he was properly elected by the people, Russia-Gate charade not withstanding. We had a choice of electing lesser of the two crooks. We chose Trump. In a democracy we live by our decisions. We are quick to impose democracy on other nations but don't follow our own rules.

    Since the election the US has spent millions of dollars on frivolous law suits and investigations without any results. Innocent people are trapped and convicted by the same people who are supposed to protect them and we jump up and down, wave our hands, and shout at the top of our voice that our democracy is working. All the while the world is laughing at us.

    Regarding Richard Nixon: In 1952, Senator Nixon resigned his office early in order that his successor, Republican Senator-Elect Thomas Kuchel, would gain seniority over the other freshman Senators. In doing so, Nixon lost his Senatorial pension because he did not serve two full years. Dick Nixon knew how to take one for the team.

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    Nixon came to discover that he preferred the executive branch to the legislative anyway.
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  22. I miss Nixon.

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  23. Miro23 says:

    There are other reasons to believe Trump may survive the deep state-media conspiracy to break his presidency, overturn his mandate, and reinstate a discredited establishment.

    Like his new tax bill:

    Elected on a promise of better jobs and pay, Trump is about to pull the most powerful lever any government has for firing up the economy: fiscal policy. By slashing taxes on corporate profits, its authors say, the Republican plan will unleash the animal spirits of American business — and everyone will benefit.

    A rising tide does lift all boats — but nowadays, in the U.S., not equally. Under both parties, recoveries have become increasingly lopsided. The current one has helped millions of people find work; it’s also benefited asset-owners far more than people who trade their labor for a paycheck. Income distribution, already the most unequal in the developed world, is getting worse. And that’s starting to influence everything from America’s spending habits to its elections.

    “The story of our time is polarization — by party, by class and by income,” said Mark Spindel, founder and chief investment officer at Potomac River Capital in Washington, and co-author of a 2017 book about the Federal Reserve. “I don’t see anything in the tax bill to make that any better.’’

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-15/how-america-s-inequality-machine-is-firing-the-dow-into-orbit

    Made to measure for the Establishment.

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    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    By slashing taxes on corporate profits, its authors say, the Republican plan will unleash the animal spirits of American business — and everyone will benefit.

    I don't know why people still buy this BS. I know it sounds good but there really isn't any proof of it. Clinton raised taxes and we had a boom (phony though it was). Bush cut them and we had a phony boom and a bust that could not be stopped.

    The two most important things that happened to the economy in the last 50 years happened when taxes were high - the personal computer and the maturation of the semiconductor industry.
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  24. Lugash says:

    Nixon went quietly because he could. If Trump’s going out he’ll be forced to fight.

    Nixon knew that once he was out, no one was coming after him. He’d had been around politics for 30 years and knew all the tricks that were played. Can you imagine his defense at impeachment hearings? He would have revealed every illegal wiretap and lback bag job from Truman to LBJ. Talk about Nixon’s nobility or Ford healing the nation is just nonsense.

    Trump has none of that leverage. If he’s forced out, he’s going to prison for the rest of his life. He’d better prepare by gathering as much dirt as he can.

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    Nixon knew that once he was out, no one was coming after him. He’d had been around politics for 30 years and knew all the tricks that were played. Can you imagine his defense at impeachment hearings? He would have revealed every illegal wiretap and lback bag job from Truman to LBJ. Talk about Nixon’s nobility or Ford healing the nation is just nonsense.
     
    Then you don't know a thing about Richard Nixon. All you are doing is regurgitating MSM venom against him. The press was against him and it went after him with vengence. He was the last statesman who got a rotten deal. No president in recent memory has a better foreign policy record than Nixon. His crime was that he was against Jews and that was his downfall. His close buddy Henry Kissinger was slowly twisting his knife in his back.

    Even today they talk about his bombing of Cambodia but Truman's devastation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is only a proud page in US history and Bill Clinton's destruction of Yogoslavia, Eastern Europe and starvation of innocent Iraqi children is barely mentioned. Bush II's destruction of Afghanistan and Iraq and the great Nobel Laureate, Barack Obama's drone killing in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, his and Hillary's ("we came, we saw, He died") adventures in Libya and Syria get a free pass in the MSM. The brutal murder of Muammar Ghaddafi has been forgotten.

    Our current president can send 59 missiles into Syria because of a fake story, of which he is so fond of. He was sick to his stomach at the sight of those sick Syrian children while enjoying a piece of cake with the Chinese Prime Minister. Maybe the Houthis need to send a piece of cake to Trump then he might fire some missiles at Saudi Arabia. But knowing our technology those missiles might instead land in Yemen. The sight of those starving children (in Iraq, Yemen, and Palestine) around the Muslim world at the hands of the US, Israel, and the Gulf monarchies is too uncomfortable for the MSM to present to the American public. Maybe just maybe, the public may rise against the unsjutices done around the world in their name.
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  25. MarkinLA says:
    @Miro23

    There are other reasons to believe Trump may survive the deep state-media conspiracy to break his presidency, overturn his mandate, and reinstate a discredited establishment.

     

    Like his new tax bill:

    Elected on a promise of better jobs and pay, Trump is about to pull the most powerful lever any government has for firing up the economy: fiscal policy. By slashing taxes on corporate profits, its authors say, the Republican plan will unleash the animal spirits of American business -- and everyone will benefit.

    A rising tide does lift all boats -- but nowadays, in the U.S., not equally. Under both parties, recoveries have become increasingly lopsided. The current one has helped millions of people find work; it’s also benefited asset-owners far more than people who trade their labor for a paycheck. Income distribution, already the most unequal in the developed world, is getting worse. And that’s starting to influence everything from America’s spending habits to its elections.

    https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iRe8V3g0ecWc/v1/800x-1.png

    “The story of our time is polarization -- by party, by class and by income,” said Mark Spindel, founder and chief investment officer at Potomac River Capital in Washington, and co-author of a 2017 book about the Federal Reserve. “I don’t see anything in the tax bill to make that any better.’’

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-15/how-america-s-inequality-machine-is-firing-the-dow-into-orbit
     
    Made to measure for the Establishment.

    By slashing taxes on corporate profits, its authors say, the Republican plan will unleash the animal spirits of American business — and everyone will benefit.

    I don’t know why people still buy this BS. I know it sounds good but there really isn’t any proof of it. Clinton raised taxes and we had a boom (phony though it was). Bush cut them and we had a phony boom and a bust that could not be stopped.

    The two most important things that happened to the economy in the last 50 years happened when taxes were high – the personal computer and the maturation of the semiconductor industry.

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  26. MEexpert says:
    @Lugash
    Nixon went quietly because he could. If Trump's going out he'll be forced to fight.

    Nixon knew that once he was out, no one was coming after him. He'd had been around politics for 30 years and knew all the tricks that were played. Can you imagine his defense at impeachment hearings? He would have revealed every illegal wiretap and lback bag job from Truman to LBJ. Talk about Nixon's nobility or Ford healing the nation is just nonsense.

    Trump has none of that leverage. If he's forced out, he's going to prison for the rest of his life. He'd better prepare by gathering as much dirt as he can.

    Nixon knew that once he was out, no one was coming after him. He’d had been around politics for 30 years and knew all the tricks that were played. Can you imagine his defense at impeachment hearings? He would have revealed every illegal wiretap and lback bag job from Truman to LBJ. Talk about Nixon’s nobility or Ford healing the nation is just nonsense.

    Then you don’t know a thing about Richard Nixon. All you are doing is regurgitating MSM venom against him. The press was against him and it went after him with vengence. He was the last statesman who got a rotten deal. No president in recent memory has a better foreign policy record than Nixon. His crime was that he was against Jews and that was his downfall. His close buddy Henry Kissinger was slowly twisting his knife in his back.

    Even today they talk about his bombing of Cambodia but Truman’s devastation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is only a proud page in US history and Bill Clinton’s destruction of Yogoslavia, Eastern Europe and starvation of innocent Iraqi children is barely mentioned. Bush II’s destruction of Afghanistan and Iraq and the great Nobel Laureate, Barack Obama’s drone killing in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, his and Hillary’s (“we came, we saw, He died”) adventures in Libya and Syria get a free pass in the MSM. The brutal murder of Muammar Ghaddafi has been forgotten.

    Our current president can send 59 missiles into Syria because of a fake story, of which he is so fond of. He was sick to his stomach at the sight of those sick Syrian children while enjoying a piece of cake with the Chinese Prime Minister. Maybe the Houthis need to send a piece of cake to Trump then he might fire some missiles at Saudi Arabia. But knowing our technology those missiles might instead land in Yemen. The sight of those starving children (in Iraq, Yemen, and Palestine) around the Muslim world at the hands of the US, Israel, and the Gulf monarchies is too uncomfortable for the MSM to present to the American public. Maybe just maybe, the public may rise against the unsjutices done around the world in their name.

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    Whoa, easy. I'm not denigrating Nixon or his foreign policy, just pointing out that he was forced out by the Establishment, for things that had been done by every previous administration had done as a Trump card(heh) to play.
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  27. Corvinus says:
    @Anon
    see =/= asked to do

    Remedial English, I'm telling you.

    “I’d like to see every democrat hanged.”

    Certainly Ilyana Rozumov is of the mindset that if Democrats were hanged, he would be ecstatic. I took it one step further in asking him to act upon his feelings, and correctly noted he lacks the guts to engage in that conduct. He would rather have someone else to do and get his jollies watching it, rather than actually doing something about it.

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  28. nebulafox says:

    Yes, but unlike Trump, Nixon could speak in coherent, college graduate-level sentences and had a policy agenda of his own. Personally, I’d take my chances with Dick.

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    Trump can speak in coherent, intelligent (college-grad not being much of a marker in my experience) sentences. He has a certain style of oratory which emphasizes short statements often repeated.

    I'll give you that I would prefer Nixon though.
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  29. nebulafox says:
    @Discard
    Regarding Richard Nixon: In 1952, Senator Nixon resigned his office early in order that his successor, Republican Senator-Elect Thomas Kuchel, would gain seniority over the other freshman Senators. In doing so, Nixon lost his Senatorial pension because he did not serve two full years. Dick Nixon knew how to take one for the team.

    Nixon came to discover that he preferred the executive branch to the legislative anyway.

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  30. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    Yes, but unlike Trump, Nixon could speak in coherent, college graduate-level sentences and had a policy agenda of his own. Personally, I'd take my chances with Dick.

    Trump can speak in coherent, intelligent (college-grad not being much of a marker in my experience) sentences. He has a certain style of oratory which emphasizes short statements often repeated.

    I’ll give you that I would prefer Nixon though.

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  31. Moreover, Trump is not Nixon, who, like Charles I, accepted his fate and let the executioner’s sword fall with dignity.

    Nixon went down for protecting his staff. Wouldn’t you like to have a boss like that?

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    You're right. He could have legitimately washed his hands of the matter, and let a half dozen underlings go to Club Fed for a few months.

    Nixon was loved by the White House staff. Newcomers to the Presidential staff were warned by the old timers to never be rude to the domestic help or the clerical workers, on pain of dismissal. Nixon remembered how it felt to be slighted by snobs, and he despised them.
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  32. Lugash says:
    @MEexpert

    Nixon knew that once he was out, no one was coming after him. He’d had been around politics for 30 years and knew all the tricks that were played. Can you imagine his defense at impeachment hearings? He would have revealed every illegal wiretap and lback bag job from Truman to LBJ. Talk about Nixon’s nobility or Ford healing the nation is just nonsense.
     
    Then you don't know a thing about Richard Nixon. All you are doing is regurgitating MSM venom against him. The press was against him and it went after him with vengence. He was the last statesman who got a rotten deal. No president in recent memory has a better foreign policy record than Nixon. His crime was that he was against Jews and that was his downfall. His close buddy Henry Kissinger was slowly twisting his knife in his back.

    Even today they talk about his bombing of Cambodia but Truman's devastation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is only a proud page in US history and Bill Clinton's destruction of Yogoslavia, Eastern Europe and starvation of innocent Iraqi children is barely mentioned. Bush II's destruction of Afghanistan and Iraq and the great Nobel Laureate, Barack Obama's drone killing in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, his and Hillary's ("we came, we saw, He died") adventures in Libya and Syria get a free pass in the MSM. The brutal murder of Muammar Ghaddafi has been forgotten.

    Our current president can send 59 missiles into Syria because of a fake story, of which he is so fond of. He was sick to his stomach at the sight of those sick Syrian children while enjoying a piece of cake with the Chinese Prime Minister. Maybe the Houthis need to send a piece of cake to Trump then he might fire some missiles at Saudi Arabia. But knowing our technology those missiles might instead land in Yemen. The sight of those starving children (in Iraq, Yemen, and Palestine) around the Muslim world at the hands of the US, Israel, and the Gulf monarchies is too uncomfortable for the MSM to present to the American public. Maybe just maybe, the public may rise against the unsjutices done around the world in their name.

    Whoa, easy. I’m not denigrating Nixon or his foreign policy, just pointing out that he was forced out by the Establishment, for things that had been done by every previous administration had done as a Trump card(heh) to play.

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  33. Discard says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Moreover, Trump is not Nixon, who, like Charles I, accepted his fate and let the executioner’s sword fall with dignity.
     
    Nixon went down for protecting his staff. Wouldn't you like to have a boss like that?

    You’re right. He could have legitimately washed his hands of the matter, and let a half dozen underlings go to Club Fed for a few months.

    Nixon was loved by the White House staff. Newcomers to the Presidential staff were warned by the old timers to never be rude to the domestic help or the clerical workers, on pain of dismissal. Nixon remembered how it felt to be slighted by snobs, and he despised them.

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  34. Sparkon says:

    Nixon went “quietly,” and resigned the Presidency on August 9, 1974, probably because he had too many big skeletons in his closet, on one hand, and had been indiscreet about his views on Jewish control of the mass media, on the other: :

    On the twenty-third, in an effort to get the CIA to stop the FBI’s initial Watergate probe, Nixon tried to blackmail CIA Director Richard Helms, apparently by using his knowledge of major CIA secrets to keep the lid on Watergate.

    The president wanted to scare Helms with the prospect that, under pressure, an apprehended Hunt might start blabbing to authorities about “the Bay of Pigs.” That phrase, to Bob Haldeman— Nixon’s most trusted aide—was secret Nixon- CIA code for one of the darkest events in our history, an event with tenuous ties to the disastrous 1961 Cuban invasion.

    In a post-Watergate book, Haldeman disclosed, “It seems that in all those Nixon references to the Bay of Pigs, he was actually referring to the Kennedy assassination. (Interestingly, an investigation of the Kennedy assassination was a project I suggested when I first entered the White House. Now I felt we would be in a position to get all the facts. But Nixon turned me down.)”

    http://www.thehistoryreader.com/contemporary-history/nixons-bay-pigs-secrets/

    I suggest the so-called mainstream mass media, or MSM, played a significant role in the downfall of Pres. Richard M. Nixon.

    On the account of James Warren in the Chicago Tribune, who has filed excellent stories down the years on Nixon’s tapes, in this 1972 Oval Office session between Nixon, Haldeman and Graham, the President raises a topic about which “we can’t talk about it publicly,” namely Jewish influence in Hollywood and the media.

    Nixon cites Paul Keyes, a political conservative who was executive producer of the NBC hit, “Rowan and Martin’s Laugh-In,” as telling him that “11 of the 12 writers are Jewish.”

    “That right?” says Graham, prompting Nixon to claim that Life magazine, Newsweek, the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and others, are “totally dominated by the Jews.”

    Nixon says network TV anchors Howard K. Smith, David Brinkley and Walter Cronkite “front men who may not be of that persuasion,” but that their writers are “95 percent Jewish.”

    “This stranglehold has got to be broken or the country’s going down the drain,” the nation’s best-known preacher declares.

    “You believe that?” Nixon says.

    “Yes, sir,” Graham says.

    “Oh, boy,” replies Nixon.

    “So do I. I can’t ever say that but I believe it.”

    “No, but if you get elected a second time, then we might be able to do something,” Graham replies.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/27/the-preacher-and-vietnam-when-billy-graham-urged-nixon-to-kill-one-million-people/

    Was Watergate some kind of a set-up, or trap, designed to bring down the presidency of Richard Milhous Nixon?

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    OT: in September of 1973, the New York Times seriously compared the White House Plumbers-a bunch of amateur clowns who had to fly back to Miami to get their button-inspection gloves before the break-in and were originally created because Nixon couldn't get J. Edger Hoover to do black body jobs without a signature like he used to-to the KGB, one of the blood-stained human organizations in human history. Who wants to make bets as to how your typical nebbishy preening type at the Grey Lady would survive living under a real-deal secret police, like the KGB? Even then, reporting as a profession attracted intellectually limited, pompous putzes like rotting fruit attract flies.

    That said, nobody took Nixon down more than Nixon himself, as he realized when he resigned. Nobody forced him to be caught on tape attempting to obstruct justice.

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  35. whorefinder says: • Website

    Why do you think Trump surrounded himself with generals and put so many generals/ military men in his administration?

    You’d have to be a fool not to see Trump was doing it to forestall the coup attempts by the Deep State and it’s allies in the media and the establishment of both parties.

    Trump made a very old maneuver: when your nation or government is close to revolt/coup/civil war, get the military on your side!

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  36. Kevin C. says:
    @Thomm

    “I’d like to see every democrat hanged.”
     
    Perhaps. But remember that race nationalism is also a left-wing ideology.

    The only thing that is right-wing is small government/free markets.

    The only thing that is right-wing is small government/free markets.

    Tell that to the original Right-wing — the right wing of the National Assembly (June 13-July 9, 1789) during the French Revolution, wherein were seated the supporters of King Louis XVI, the Catholic Church, and the Ancien Régime. In what possible sense are supporters of monarchy, hereditary aristocracy, establishment of religion, and feudal social modes “left-wing”? To dub them so is to utterly abuse the language.

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  37. DEMOCRATS.
    It was bellowed Democratic president Kennedy (gangster) who started war) in Vietnam.
    (Beside empowering Negroid in US.) He was one who started war that genocide the Vietnamese people with carpet-bombing cities and with napalm bombing of villages including small girls running from hell. Also with Agent Orange destroying the all country.
    Where was the UN to stop this bestiality?

    It was Democrat Clinton who instituted “no fly zone” with US aircraft bombing anything what moved. Killing and murdering undiscrimatly.
    It was he with Zionist Czech Jew Albright That killed half a million Iraqi children.
    And than Albright declared “ it was worth it”. By this confirming that she is not really human being, but she is a creature from hell.
    It was Democrat Clinton that did hire ignorant Muslim savages and transported them to Bosnia to start ethic cleansing of Bosnia from Serbs.

    It was democrat Obama (Negroid from Kenya) with another beast from depth of hell Hillary Clinton who again hired the scum from Muslim world to destroy peaceful prosperous Muslim country. Than the beast said gloriously “Veni vidi vici. After murdering Gadhafi’s grandchildren. Anybody who seiz that she is a human must be deaf and blind.
    Justifying all this by he was dictator for too long,
    Where was UN to stop and prevent this bestiality?

    Than Obama (the Negroid) and Hillary (the best from hell) transported these cutthroats to Syria and renamed them Free Syrian army and started to go from atrocities to atrocities. And when Syrian army was trying to stop this mayhem they did send aircraft and bombed the hell out of them.
    But God could not take these atrocities any more and so he sent Russians to defend Syrian people.

    Than there was this little adventure in Ukraine where again Obama (the Negroid from Kenya} and Clinton (the Best from Hell) hired mercenaries from Georgia to shoot and kill Ukrainian people from rooftops.
    But this adventure did not work out too well.
    Russian Bear has awakened.

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  38. Jason Liu says:

    Nixon shouldn’t have gone quietly either. When Mao heard about the stuff he was being impeached for, his reaction was “That’s it?”

    This kind of scandal should only bring down left wing politicians, not right wing ones.

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    The Soviets and the Arabs thought Watergate was some sort of shadow coup. Russians of Nixon's generation had Stalin at their main political formative experience, let's not forget. They were generally at a loss to process that a powerful and effective leader could be taken down, bloodlessly, by Constitutional processes-all over political abuses that would be taken for granted in the USSR, where far more serious human rights violations than anything Nixon ever contemplated were still a daily occurrence in the 1970s.

    This would have consequences in Ford and Carter's dealings with them.

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  39. nebulafox says:
    @Thomm

    “I’d like to see every democrat hanged.”
     
    Perhaps. But remember that race nationalism is also a left-wing ideology.

    The only thing that is right-wing is small government/free markets.

    It is true that racial nationalism does have an eerie parallel with the class warfare ideal. Unlike many of his right-wing contemporaries in “fascist” governments, Hitler was a revolutionary, if a rightist one, not a reactionary: he wanted to overthrow European order and society to a degree unprecedented by any predecessor, even Napoleon. Ostensibly despising revolution, he ironically became the German form of it. More concretely, racial nationalism has to be compatible with socialistic desires. If you, by definition, care about all members of your race above all others, without regard for objective quality or social class, that stands as somewhat opposed to market goals. It also stands as opposed to valuing the noble in man, or tradition, or anything else conservatism historically values. Racial nationalism is inherently, irredeemably populist, by its very nature. Nietzsche nailed this problem with race-obsession-and the merits of racial mixing, from an objective viewpoint. In his case, the Prussian military caste and the most intellectual Jews-very well.

    But free markets? Burke, the Adams duo, Hamilton, Disraeli, Bismarck, Theodore Roosevelt, Churchill, De Gaulle, Adenauer, and Lee Kwan Yew, none of whom was “liberal” by a remote stretch, would all care to disagree. If you value a hierarchal view of human nature, unless you want to eventually face revolution, it is natural that a society has social obligations to the poor and indigent, let alone average members. The current version of conservatism, as pushed by the GOP, has its roots in the later phase of the Cold War, the free market aspect of it that predates it somewhat with anti-Communism. Conservatism existed before then. /in other countries, in part because of America’s sheer dominance in the world, this dynamic can be seen (say, the BJP’s embrace of market economics along with Hindu nationalism, or Likud in Israel), but this is also inherently tied in with America’s very, very Whiggish national psychology. That’s not the case all over the world, let alone historically. The alt-right, for all its incoherence, seems to grasp the fact that the GOP as it stands-embracing intervention abroad, a near religious approach to free market economics, and reactionary as opposed to realistic social sentiment-is not really all that “conservative”. (Also raises the question whether there is much worth conserving in America these days, but that’s another topic…)

    That all doesn’t mean the market cannot, per se, be identified as an integral part of conservatism if it serves the goals of propagating societal stability, your culture, and state interests-the Cold War made this clear-but businessmen who by definition are interested in profits typically aren’t concerned with maintaining tradition or stability, especially with the Westphalian nature of interstate affairs traditionally championed by conservatives standing in direct opposition to their interests, as we see with oligarchs now. Economic systems and approaches are nothing but tools, to be used at convenience.

    Small government and free markets is about freedom, which is traditionally something associated with naturally liberal characters. There’s nothing wrong with that. But free markets are inevitably tied in with radical cultural change and liberation, to say nothing of political change. Not exactly “conserving” affairs. Traditionally, conservatism values order and stability over the freedom and justice that liberals care about, and is inherently anti-ideological and pragmatic to contrast with the impressive ideological systems and principles of liberals. (Note: I speak of liberals. Not leftists, who, as of 2017 in the United States, are too intellectually limited to be worth discussing in detail in this context.) That’s why traditional free market economics is known as “classical liberalism”, historically, or how what China and India and Vietnam did decades ago was known as “economic liberalization”.

    A successful society doesn’t let either natural personality type-liberal or conservative-dominate completely. The two collaborate-yin and yang-to create gradual yet steady progress. A society dominated by nothing but natural conservatives would be as psychopathic, drab, ripe for revolution and cold as the converse would be decadent, shallow, undisciplined, and easy prey for external enemies. And when conservatives attempt to devote themselves to liberal causes-Bush II is a prominent case-the results are often disastrous. Same in reverse: it is painful to see liberals try to advocate being tough with Russia and defending state power in part because they are so visibly bad at it.

    Ugh… high functioning autistic information dumping. I’m sorry. Getting it all out while I can….

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  40. nebulafox says:
    @Jason Liu
    Nixon shouldn't have gone quietly either. When Mao heard about the stuff he was being impeached for, his reaction was "That's it?"

    This kind of scandal should only bring down left wing politicians, not right wing ones.

    The Soviets and the Arabs thought Watergate was some sort of shadow coup. Russians of Nixon’s generation had Stalin at their main political formative experience, let’s not forget. They were generally at a loss to process that a powerful and effective leader could be taken down, bloodlessly, by Constitutional processes-all over political abuses that would be taken for granted in the USSR, where far more serious human rights violations than anything Nixon ever contemplated were still a daily occurrence in the 1970s.

    This would have consequences in Ford and Carter’s dealings with them.

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  41. nebulafox says:
    @Sparkon
    Nixon went "quietly," and resigned the Presidency on August 9, 1974, probably because he had too many big skeletons in his closet, on one hand, and had been indiscreet about his views on Jewish control of the mass media, on the other: :

    On the twenty-third, in an effort to get the CIA to stop the FBI’s initial Watergate probe, Nixon tried to blackmail CIA Director Richard Helms, apparently by using his knowledge of major CIA secrets to keep the lid on Watergate.

    The president wanted to scare Helms with the prospect that, under pressure, an apprehended Hunt might start blabbing to authorities about “the Bay of Pigs.” That phrase, to Bob Haldeman— Nixon’s most trusted aide—was secret Nixon- CIA code for one of the darkest events in our history, an event with tenuous ties to the disastrous 1961 Cuban invasion.

    In a post-Watergate book, Haldeman disclosed, “It seems that in all those Nixon references to the Bay of Pigs, he was actually referring to the Kennedy assassination. (Interestingly, an investigation of the Kennedy assassination was a project I suggested when I first entered the White House. Now I felt we would be in a position to get all the facts. But Nixon turned me down.)”
     
    http://www.thehistoryreader.com/contemporary-history/nixons-bay-pigs-secrets/

    I suggest the so-called mainstream mass media, or MSM, played a significant role in the downfall of Pres. Richard M. Nixon.


    On the account of James Warren in the Chicago Tribune, who has filed excellent stories down the years on Nixon’s tapes, in this 1972 Oval Office session between Nixon, Haldeman and Graham, the President raises a topic about which “we can’t talk about it publicly,” namely Jewish influence in Hollywood and the media.

    Nixon cites Paul Keyes, a political conservative who was executive producer of the NBC hit, “Rowan and Martin’s Laugh-In,” as telling him that “11 of the 12 writers are Jewish.”

    “That right?” says Graham, prompting Nixon to claim that Life magazine, Newsweek, the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and others, are “totally dominated by the Jews.”

    Nixon says network TV anchors Howard K. Smith, David Brinkley and Walter Cronkite “front men who may not be of that persuasion,” but that their writers are “95 percent Jewish.”

    “This stranglehold has got to be broken or the country’s going down the drain,” the nation’s best-known preacher declares.

    “You believe that?” Nixon says.

    “Yes, sir,” Graham says.

    “Oh, boy,” replies Nixon.

    “So do I. I can’t ever say that but I believe it.”

    “No, but if you get elected a second time, then we might be able to do something,” Graham replies.
     
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/27/the-preacher-and-vietnam-when-billy-graham-urged-nixon-to-kill-one-million-people/

    Was Watergate some kind of a set-up, or trap, designed to bring down the presidency of Richard Milhous Nixon?

    OT: in September of 1973, the New York Times seriously compared the White House Plumbers-a bunch of amateur clowns who had to fly back to Miami to get their button-inspection gloves before the break-in and were originally created because Nixon couldn’t get J. Edger Hoover to do black body jobs without a signature like he used to-to the KGB, one of the blood-stained human organizations in human history. Who wants to make bets as to how your typical nebbishy preening type at the Grey Lady would survive living under a real-deal secret police, like the KGB? Even then, reporting as a profession attracted intellectually limited, pompous putzes like rotting fruit attract flies.

    That said, nobody took Nixon down more than Nixon himself, as he realized when he resigned. Nobody forced him to be caught on tape attempting to obstruct justice.

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    The Plumbers were not amateurs, but more like actors --in this case-- who were going through the motions clumsily, while apparently trying hard to get caught red-handed with incriminating evidence in order to take down Pres. Richard Nixon. And in the end, their crooked scheme worked.

    I've been gaining new insights into this entire affair by reading excerpts from Russ Baker's book:
    Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, America's Invisible Government, and the Hidden History of the Last Fifty Years, which completely overturns much of the traditional (MSM) narrative about Watergate, and Nixon himself. Obviously, the title of Baker's book itself provides clues. (Against the admonition posted at the link below, I read part II first, from which I offer my edited excerpts for your edification:)


    Burglary team member James McCord left tape horizontally over a lock, so that it could be spotted, as it was, by a security guard when the door was closed. If he had taped the lock vertically, it would have been invisible to a passerby. And if the intent was to pull off a real burglary, there was no need for tape anyway—as the burglars were already inside. Even so, after the security guard discovered and removed the tape, McCord put it right back.
    [...]
    Among the incriminating materials found on the Watergate burglars was a check with White House consultant E. Howard Hunt’s signature on it—and Hunt’s phone number at the White House, in addition to checks drawn on Mexican bank accounts. Despite the obvious risks, the burglars were also instructed by Hunt to register at the Watergate Hotel, and to keep their room keys in their pockets during the mission. These keys led investigators straight back to an array of incriminating evidence, not the least damaging of which was a suitcase containing the burglars’ ID cards. Everything pointed back to CREEP and the White House.
    [...]
    HALDEMAN: . . . The FBI agents who are working the case, at this point, feel that’s what it is. This is CIA….

    Nixon’s response would show that he had already realized this:

    NIXON: Of course, this is a, this is a [E. Howard] Hunt [operation, and exposure of it] will uncover a lot of things. You open that scab there’s a hell of a lot of things and that we just feel that it would be very detrimental to have this thing go any further. This involves these Cubans, Hunt, and a lot of hanky-panky that we have nothing to do with ourselves… This will open the whole Bay of Pigs thing...
    [...]
    As for the burglary crew, Nixon recognized them instantly, because he knew what they represented. While serving as vice president, Nixon had overseen some covert operations and served as the “action officer” for the planning of the Bay of Pigs, of which these men were hard-boiled veterans. They had been out to overthrow Fidel Castro, and if possible, to kill him.
    [...]
    Moreover, Richard Nixon was a curious fellow. Within days of taking office in 1969, Nixon had begun conducting an investigation of his own regarding the turbulent and little-understood days leading up to the end of the Kennedy administration. He had ordered Ehrlichman, the White House counsel, to instruct CIA director Helms to hand over the relevant files, which surely amounted to thousands and thousands of documents. Six months later, Ehrlichman confided to Haldeman that the agency had failed to produce any of the files.

    “Those bastards in Langley are holding back something,” a frustrated Ehrlichman told Haldeman. “They just dig their heels in and say the President can’t have it. Period. Imagine that. The Commander-in-Chief wants to see a document and the spooks say he can’t have it . . . From the way they’re protecting it, it must be pure dynamite.
    [...]
     

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  42. Sparkon says:
    @nebulafox
    OT: in September of 1973, the New York Times seriously compared the White House Plumbers-a bunch of amateur clowns who had to fly back to Miami to get their button-inspection gloves before the break-in and were originally created because Nixon couldn't get J. Edger Hoover to do black body jobs without a signature like he used to-to the KGB, one of the blood-stained human organizations in human history. Who wants to make bets as to how your typical nebbishy preening type at the Grey Lady would survive living under a real-deal secret police, like the KGB? Even then, reporting as a profession attracted intellectually limited, pompous putzes like rotting fruit attract flies.

    That said, nobody took Nixon down more than Nixon himself, as he realized when he resigned. Nobody forced him to be caught on tape attempting to obstruct justice.

    The Plumbers were not amateurs, but more like actors –in this case– who were going through the motions clumsily, while apparently trying hard to get caught red-handed with incriminating evidence in order to take down Pres. Richard Nixon. And in the end, their crooked scheme worked.

    I’ve been gaining new insights into this entire affair by reading excerpts from Russ Baker’s book:
    Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, America’s Invisible Government, and the Hidden History of the Last Fifty Years, which completely overturns much of the traditional (MSM) narrative about Watergate, and Nixon himself. Obviously, the title of Baker’s book itself provides clues. (Against the admonition posted at the link below, I read part II first, from which I offer my edited excerpts for your edification:)

    Burglary team member James McCord left tape horizontally over a lock, so that it could be spotted, as it was, by a security guard when the door was closed. If he had taped the lock vertically, it would have been invisible to a passerby. And if the intent was to pull off a real burglary, there was no need for tape anyway—as the burglars were already inside. Even so, after the security guard discovered and removed the tape, McCord put it right back.
    [...]
    Among the incriminating materials found on the Watergate burglars was a check with White House consultant E. Howard Hunt’s signature on it—and Hunt’s phone number at the White House, in addition to checks drawn on Mexican bank accounts. Despite the obvious risks, the burglars were also instructed by Hunt to register at the Watergate Hotel, and to keep their room keys in their pockets during the mission. These keys led investigators straight back to an array of incriminating evidence, not the least damaging of which was a suitcase containing the burglars’ ID cards. Everything pointed back to CREEP and the White House.
    [...]
    HALDEMAN: . . . The FBI agents who are working the case, at this point, feel that’s what it is. This is CIA….

    Nixon’s response would show that he had already realized this:

    NIXON: Of course, this is a, this is a [E. Howard] Hunt [operation, and exposure of it] will uncover a lot of things. You open that scab there’s a hell of a lot of things and that we just feel that it would be very detrimental to have this thing go any further. This involves these Cubans, Hunt, and a lot of hanky-panky that we have nothing to do with ourselves… This will open the whole Bay of Pigs thing
    [...]
    As for the burglary crew, Nixon recognized them instantly, because he knew what they represented. While serving as vice president, Nixon had overseen some covert operations and served as the “action officer” for the planning of the Bay of Pigs, of which these men were hard-boiled veterans. They had been out to overthrow Fidel Castro, and if possible, to kill him.
    [...]
    Moreover, Richard Nixon was a curious fellow. Within days of taking office in 1969, Nixon had begun conducting an investigation of his own regarding the turbulent and little-understood days leading up to the end of the Kennedy administration. He had ordered Ehrlichman, the White House counsel, to instruct CIA director Helms to hand over the relevant files, which surely amounted to thousands and thousands of documents. Six months later, Ehrlichman confided to Haldeman that the agency had failed to produce any of the files.

    “Those bastards in Langley are holding back something,” a frustrated Ehrlichman told Haldeman. “They just dig their heels in and say the President can’t have it. Period. Imagine that. The Commander-in-Chief wants to see a document and the spooks say he can’t have it . . . From the way they’re protecting it, it must be pure dynamite.
    [...]

    https://whowhatwhy.org/2012/05/08/watergate-revelations-the-coup-against-nixon-part-2-of-3/

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  43. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I’m very glad Trump got elected, because the more I see of the leftist subversion imbedded in government, the more I’m convinced that any other Republicans who made it into office would have been eaten alive by now. Guys like Rick Perry, Paul Ryan, Rubio, Jindal, or Romney would have been overwhelmed, bewildered, and destroyed by the forces arrayed against them.

    Politics on the state level in Republican states normally aren’t this crazy or corrupt, and it would not have prepared these candidates for what was coming. I’m not sure even tough-minded cynics like Cruz or Chris Christie would have survived. Maybe Scott Walker might have done it, since he had to deal with a virtual insurrection in Wisconsin, but Trump was still the best man for this.

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