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Trump & Sanders. Credit: VDare.com
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Barack Obama sought as his legacy to bring an end to the two longest wars in U.S. history. On Oct. 15, he, again, admitted failure.

The 9,800 U.S. troops in Afghanistan will remain another year. And, on Inauguration Day 2017, 5,500 U.S. troops will still be there.

Why cannot we leave? Because, if we do, we risk the re-seizure of power by the Taliban we drove out 14 years ago, and a wipeout of all we have accomplished in America’s longest war.

When can we come home? Never, if we hope to secure that for which we have already paid with 2,500 U.S. dead.

For not only have the Taliban shown they can capture cities like Kunduz in the north, ISIS has arrived to begin its trademark atrocities. One can only imagine what will happen to the men, women and girls we liberated when we leave, and Kabul falls. Think Saigon, 1975.

In reluctantly deciding not to depart, Obama seems to have learned the lesson of Iraq. There, we have gone back in with 3,000 U.S. troops, after the president had pulled out the last 10,000.

And what is the balance sheet now on Operation Iraqi Freedom, the bloodiest and most costly American war since Vietnam?

The Islamic State controls Mosul, Ramadi and the huge Sunni province of Anbar. Baghdad relies on U.S. air power against ISIS, but looks to Tehran for guidance. The Shiite militias indispensable to the regime’s survival are, most of them, pro-ayatollah and anti-American.

Unloved and unappreciated, the American Empire soldiers on.

Understandably, President Obama does not want a collapse on his watch in Baghdad or Kabul, though he opposed the Iraq war and was never an enthusiast of nation-building in the Hindu Kush.

The liberal interventionists and neocons who goaded George W. Bush on got us into these wars. But they had no clue as to what would happen once we got in, and they have no idea today on how we can get out. Indeed, they have no desire to get out.

Rather, they want us to repudiate the nuclear deal that the five permanent members of the Security Council and Germany negotiated with Iran, and impose new sanctions. And if Iran refuses to renegotiate and yield, they would happily exercise “all options on the table.”

They would not rule out yet another American war, on Iran, which has a larger population than Afghanistan and Iraq put together, and is far better prepared and equipped to defend itself.

They want the United States to sustain the “good” rebels in Syria and to insist that “Assad must go.” Asked who rises if Assad falls, if not ISIS, they dismiss the question.

But if ISIS is the enemy with whom we cannot deal, why do we not partner with Putin, the Iranians, the Syrian army of Bashar Assad and the Kurds to all pile on and annihilate ISIS in Syria and Iraq?

John Kerry’s repetitive reply — “Assad must go!”

Vladimir Putin’s retort — the Americans have “mush for brains.”

ORDER IT NOW

Looking at what we sought to do with our interventions in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Afghanistan, has any of them turned out as the war hawks predicted, or we had hoped? Do the prospects of any of these failed states look better for our intervention?

Yet the Beltway hawks now want to confront Russia in Syria and Ukraine, and are looking forward to challenging China’s claims to islets in the Spratly chain by sailing U.S. warships inside the 12-mile limit.

Republican presidential candidates like Lindsey Graham are even talking up sending U.S. ground forces back into Iraq and into Syria.

What we could accomplish there, and when we could get out, are questions that are not only unanswered, they are unasked.

In analyzing the presidential race, the one conclusion upon which all agree is that the anti-Washington, anti-incumbent sentiment is far deeper and wider than most had imagined.

The surge in the polls of Bernie Sanders at the expense of Hillary Clinton, and of Donald Trump at the expense of the GOP establishment, are the political stories of the year.

And what do Socialist Sanders and Capitalist Trump have in common? Neither is an interventionist — both opposed the Iraq War.

Trump, unlike Carly Fiorina, would talk to Vladimir Putin. Unlike the departed Scott Walter, he would not tear up the Iran nuclear deal the day he took office. He would monitor and enforce it.

Unlike other Republican candidates, he does not look upon Putin’s intervention on behalf of Assad with anger and outrage. If Putin wants to bomb ISIS, be my guest, says Trump.

Trump has not laid out a broad foreign policy. Yet, the sense one gets is that, like Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan, he is a “peace through strength” Republican who looks to extricate us from Mideast wars now underway, and not be looking to start any new ones.

For anti-interventionists, Trump vs. Sanders is the ideal race.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of the new book “The Greatest Comeback: How Richard Nixon Rose From Defeat to Create the New Majority.”

Copyright 2015 Creators.com.

 
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  1. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    “Vladimir Putin’s retort — the Americans have ‘mush for brains’.”

    More like Matzo for brains.

  2. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    https://youtu.be/tvjIwVjJsXc?t=1h13m32s

    “…95% of the media networks were savagely hostile to the Bolivarians, but they won…”

    In the US, 95% of the media are controlled by the Zioligarchs, but maybe we can win.

    Trump or Sanders is the Chavez or Morales of US?

    Whites are still the majority of the US, and populist anger is rising.

  3. Why do you leave out Rand Paul, who is a more consistent voice and has a record of opposing the establishment on both the Syrian and Libyan bombing campaigns?

    • Replies: @Elf Himself
  4. Bliss says:

    Buchanan and Trump are on the same page on so many of the important issues. How about a Trump-Buchanan ticket?

    • Replies: @nickels
  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Sanders is in favor of supporting the anti-Assad rebels.

    From The Washington Post, Oct. 3, 2015:

    Sanders said in a statement to The Washington Post. “I support President Obama’s efforts to combat ISIS in Syria while at the same time supporting those in that country trying to remove the brutal dictatorship of Bashar Assad.”

    Trump is the only sensible candidate running. I pray he wins.

  6. Marais says:

    “The 9,800 U.S. troops in Afghanistan will remain another year. And, on Inauguration Day 2017, 5,500 U.S. troops will still be there.”

    Of course the dirty little unknown is the number of ‘contractors’ in Afghanistan. 17,000+ are currently in Iraq (pay no mind to ‘troop pullouts’). LOGCAP outsourcing (negotiated by SecDef Dick Cheney in 1992) and black budgets assure the American imperium continues.

  7. Buzz Mohawk says: • Website

    Trump vs. Sanders is the race I’ve been dreaming about.

    This would mark the first time in my memory that two, actual, opposing philosophies have competed — instead of Coke vs. Pepsi, red vs. blue shades of the same damn thing.

    Bring it on.

    (Trump for President)

  8. @Paulestinian

    Perhaps because he’s stuck in the low single digits…?

    • Replies: @Paulestinian
  9. @Elf Himself

    That’s not relevant in October, maybe within a week of Iowa or NH, but not now.

    All of Trump’s positions are a a matter of expedience, including immigration. The fact the alt right can’t see this is baffling. While it’s true Trump is less hawkish than Clinton or the non-Paul Republicans, the idea he’d be able to stand up to the military and their false choicesgiven his lack of knowledge on foreign affairs is laughable.

    The same goes for Sanders, who has demonstrated no interest in foreign policy outside of occasional statements to excite the leftists base.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @geokat62
  10. nickels says:
    @Bliss

    I nominate Buchanan for Minister of ReEducation.

    • Replies: @Minnesota Mary
  11. Renoman says:

    Even Genghis Khan could not hold Afghanistan and he killed everyone right down to the Dogs. The Americans were fools to try.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    , @Bliss
  12. And no mention of the hundreds of thousands Afghans and two million plus Iraqi’s murdered by the American thugs.
    What a piece of shite Paddy is.

    • Replies: @Really-
  13. @nickels

    How about Buchanan for Secretary of State?

  14. RobinG says:
    @Paulestinian

    It’s not the military he’d have to stand up to, it’s the neo-cons and the Zionists.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  15. Anon7 says:
    @Renoman

    Well, particular Americans were fools, yes. Like George Fucking W. Bush, God damn him.

  16. geokat62 says:
    @Paulestinian

    The same goes for Sanders, who has demonstrated no interest in foreign policy outside of occasional statements to excite the leftists base.

    Not quite. As this clip shows, Bernie X has a definite interest in what transpires in this part of the world:

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  17. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    Can they be trusted?

    Obama condemned Bush’s wars but destroyed Libya and Syria. He instigated a conflict in Ukraine.

    Talk is cheap.

    Sanders is an arch-Zionist and Jewish supremacist. How much can anyone trust this guy?

    Trump is owned by Jews. Jews used him like Jews used Gatsby. He is a front.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/09/11/only-donald-trump-can-beat-donald-trump

    The fact is the West, having been taken over by Jews, now espouses an ideology that idolizes, sanctifies, and even worships the fringe, minoritarian, outsider, the alien, the deviant, etc.

    Look at straight people in this photo feeling morally superior because they praise and celebrate two homo ‘dads’.

    Look at Germans in this photo feeling morally superior because they welcome and embrace foreign invaders.

    Homomania and Diversity are both the favored causes of Jews.

    Sanders is Jewish and Trump is just a tool in the end.

    Kubrick foresaw this. The respectable opinion embracing the ‘reformed’ deviant transgressor as the New Normal.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  18. @geokat62

    “Shut up! . . . This is called democracy.” – Bernie Sanders

  19. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @RobinG

    I imagine there is a fair amount in the military, but regardless the point is that someone with a limited understanding of foreign policy (and he appears to know as much as someone following drudge and cnn at most) can easily be led to beleive the only choice is between an ultra insane foreign policy or an only slightly insane foreign policy. Don’t forget, trump isn’t excactly pro Snowden, either.

    I think Rand certainly has a better understanding, I hell ultimately be somewhere in between his current mainstream rhetoric and his fathers (which was too far for even myself) which is a place the world could benefit from.

  20. If endless war is our chosen path perhaps we ought to consider for our Commander-in-Chief a military veteran, some one with war experience, some one who has killed an actual enemy human being. I hope Jim Webb hangs in awhile for the conversation.

  21. Art says:

    Trump is now taking on the sacred cow of the Jew agenda neocons – “W” Bush.

    Good on him – again he is staying politically with the bulk of the American voters – his eye is on the prize – not the Republican Party.

    No question, Trump is changing the face of the established political scene in America. Jew left establishment and Jew right establishment hate him. (There is no Gentile establishment in America – they have to chose the Jew left or Jew right.)

    The mouthpiece of the right wing establishment – Fox-n-Krauthammer – are going to do their best to politically kill him.

    p.s. Trump is a true old school businessman – in business one stays close to the truth of situations – that is what he is doing with “W”.

    p.s. Go Trump!

  22. @Buzz Mohawk

    “This would mark the first time in my memory that two, actual, opposing philosophies have competed”

    How so? Red governmentalism and blue governmentalism are not opposites.

    How about each candidate draw up ten executive orders then sign them and post date them for one hour after their swearing in ceremony?

    Then maybe you can see how distinguishable they are.

  23. Capper says:

    I stand with the other nuts on this site. “Assad must go”, and all of the BS about the Iran nuclear deal are because that is the will of Israel. They are more worried about “protecting” Israel than anything else in the region. Bought and paid for.

    • Replies: @tbraton
  24. Tony says:

    “They would not rule out yet another American war, on Iran, which has a larger population than Afghanistan and Iraq put together, and is far better prepared and equipped to defend itself.”
    Iran couldnt beat Iraq 35 years ago. That war was a stalemate. Are they any more powerful now? Not that I’d recommend a war with them anyway.

    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
  25. Bliss says:
    @Renoman

    Even Genghis Khan could not hold Afghanistan

    The oft-repeated claim that Afghanistan has never been conquered is a myth.

    It was conquered by Alexander the Great ~2300 years ago and much of it was ruled by descendants of the conquering greeks for centuries. It was during greek rule that indian Buddhism became prominent in the region. It is possible that the pashtun propensity for pederasty dates back to the period of greek rule.

    Most significantly, Afganistan was conquered, and converted to Islam, by the arabs and their converted turkic minions. The muslim turks and mongol-turks lorded over the afghans for many centuries. Over a thousand years later practically all afghans are still muslims with arabic names who prostrate towards Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Many of them have the surname Khan, derived from the Mongol conquests.

  26. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Neither Sanders nor Trump has pledged to get to the bottom of the 911 attacks. If either was a true populist, wouldn’t they want the American people to know the truth??

    • Replies: @Smiddy
  27. Smiddy says:
    @anonymous

    Because, no matter who you are, citing a figure like Christopher Bollyn is literally the quickest way of destroying your career, no matter how much holistic and empirical sense he may bring to the table. And America is so infected with the comorbidity of Western and Kosher exceptionalism, that we’ll be lucky if the mainstream ever has a level-minded “recollection” of WW2, let alone 911… For all we know, in 50 years, simply saying that Arabs did not “systematically coordinate” 911 could warrant us serious jail time…

  28. Rehmat says: • Website

    Barack Obama is lying as usual. Taliban have never been lost their popularity among the Pakhtun majority. US-NATO forces were able to remove them from power, because Taliban didn’t have even a single tank, helicopter or F16 to fight the foreign invaders. Taliban still control 80% of Afghan land.

    The reasons the US cannot afford to withdraw its military occupation from Afghanistan, are; 1) drugs supply, and 2)containment of Iranian influence.

    In 2010, NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen admitted that Afghan resistance to the US and its willing collaborators – have been gaining more and more popularity among the frustrated Afghan population. According to him the resistance had only 400 members in 2004, jumped to 25,000 in 2009 and 30,000 now. These ill-equipped Taliban are fighting against the world’s most deadly armies of close to 140,000-strong. The chief of the US-coalition forces in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal told the conference: “The coalition forces are not winning the war in Afghanistan”.

    According to the Christian Science Monitor (September 11, 2009), Taliban have recaptured more than 80% of Afghanistan territory. Former Senator Fred Thompson, last year also admitted that the US has lost the war in Afghanistan many years ago. “It really doesn’t matter how President Obama divides the Afghan baby, how he splits the difference between McChrystal and Biden. Because the war has been lost,” Thompson said on his radio show.

    http://rehmat1.com/2010/02/07/nato-afghanistan-and-israel/

    • Replies: @Joe Franklin
  29. @Tony

    Iran couldnt beat Iraq 35 years ago. That war was a stalemate.

    From 1982 on, after Iraq’s initial blitzkrieg of Iran was beaten back, pretty much the whole war was fought on Iraqi soil. If Sadam had not been allowed to use poison gas, it is very likely that Iraq would have lost the war.

    More: http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/17/how-reagan-armed-saddam-with-chemical-weapons/

    Are they any more powerful now? Not that I’d recommend a war with them anyway.

    They’re certainly no weaker. And while they don’t have nuclear weapons, Iran has managed to develop its own defense/aerospace industry since then.

    Obviously, they’re no threat to any western country, least of all the US. Moreover, the Iranians have not initiated a war against a neighboring state for more than two centuries. If the Israelis, however, at some point decided to start shit with them, they could flatten the Jewish parts of the country with their conventional missiles–in fact, so could Hezbollah. That’s why the Zio-heads want us to destroy Iran for them, because Israel can’t.

    • Replies: @Avery
  30. tbraton says:
    @Capper

    I used to have a fair amount of respect for Dick Armey, the majority leader of the House under New Gingrich. Sometime after he left Congress (so it had to be after early 2003), he was interviewed by someone (I seem to recall NPR) and was asked what the purpose of America’s foreign policy should be. I was totally astounded when he answered that the main purpose of America’s foreign policy should be “to keep the world safe for Israel.” I couldn’t believe that a prominent American political leader could utter such total nonsense and would elevate the interests of another country over his own. What a sad commentary. So I wrote off Dick Armey as someone whose thoughts should be listened to and taken seriously. Unfortunately, we seem to have a large bloc of Americans who feel exactly like Armey.

  31. Avery says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    Agree with Seamus Padraig.

    Iraq invaded Iran and Iranians threw them out of Iranian territory.

    Iran was under Western sanctions and had no indigenous weapons industry: they had to make do with whatever they had.
    No spare parts for their US supplied F-15s and such, for example (…supplied by US during Shah’s rein).
    US (and other puppets of US Neocons) were fully behind Iraq: bet you did not know that Tony.
    US supplied Iraq with 24×7 satellite intelligence and other sigint, allowing them to target Iranian positions with precision.

    West supplied Iraq with poison gas to use against Iran as Seamus wrote.
    US Navy attacked Iranian ships and oil platforms in support of Iraq.
    Even with all that, Iran fought Iraq’s mechanized, well equipped army to a standstill.
    Teenage Iranians eagerly volunteered to clear minefields with their lives, because Iran had no mine clearing equipment.
    That is the kind of people Iranians/Persians are.

    As to Hezbollah.

    They fought the superpower of Middle East to a standstill.
    Israelis were shocked that their allegedly invincible Merkava tanks were picked-off like ducks by expertly concealed Hezbollah fighters using Soviet/Russian anti-tank missiles.
    Officially and technically that war was a draw.
    But the fact that Israel failed in their mission to destroy Hezbollah, and had to retreat licking its gaping wounds, gives victory to Hezbollah.

    And there have been several successful combined operations by SAA and Hezbollah this year to liberate and cleanse Syrian towns from the ISIS infestation.
    So yes, it will be tough going for SAA, but they have a new lease on life with Russian AF pounding the ISIS terrorists into dust.
    Syria has a fighting chance now against the Empire of Chaos and Mass Murder.

    Patriotic Americans should all root for victory of SAA and defeat of Neocons.

    • Replies: @Tony
  32. @Rehmat

    You forgot to include a 3rd reason why the US can’t withdraw.

    The US has installed anti-missile launchers in Afghanistan, to shoot down Iranian missiles launched at Israel in the boost phase.

    Boost phase is the most vulnerable phase of a missile flight for employing counter-measures, and Afghanistan and Iraq are ideal for locating counter-measures in close proximity to Iran.

  33. Olorin says:

    With all due respect, “end wars”?

    Good lord, Mr. Buchanan, haven’t you noticed that wars are now being fought via demographics and immigration, not guns and bombs?

    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_military_spending_30.html

  34. […] To End Wars – Trump vs. Sanders by Pat Buchanan. […]

  35. Tony says:
    @Avery

    Surely you jest. Everybody knew Iran was the bad guys back then. You hold Americans hostage for 444 days then you the bad guy. If Iraq never attacked Kuwait, they still would be the good guys. Good meaning not as bad as Iran.

  36. Avery says:

    Not sure if you surely jest or not.
    But, No, I don’t jest.
    And stop calling me “Shirley”.

    Iranians holding our Americans hostage totally wrong: should have deported them promptly; end of story. No excuse for keeping them hostage.
    Wrong, wrong, wrong.

    But US+UK organized and carried out the criminal overthrow of legally, democratically elected Iranian President Mosaddegh.
    A criminal, illegal interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign state.
    Iranians who illegally held Americans hostage are guilty as sin.
    But so are the criminals in US and UK who overthrew a legally and democratically elected Iranian President.
    Elected by the Iranian voters.
    When those responsible in US and UK are charged and convicted for the crimes against the Iranian people, I will happily support any punishment of Iranians who held our guys hostage.

    Until then, what’s good for goose and all that……

    • Replies: @Joe Franklin
  37. @Avery

    When those responsible in US and UK are charged and convicted for the crimes against the Iranian people, I will happily support any punishment of Iranians who held our guys hostage.

    You forgot to mention that the CIA-Mossad helped establish and train the Shah’s Savak secret police to torture, jail, and assassinate Iranian dissidents long before the hostage crisis.

    • Replies: @Avery
  38. Avery says:

    I did forget.
    Thanks for reminding everyone.

  39. Avery says:
    @Joe Franklin

    Now that you reminded me, remembered this too:

    Israel has been murdering Iranian civilian scientists.
    Their only “crime” is that they are nuclear scientists, university professors.
    And American neocon psychopaths are cheering the murder of Iranian civilians by Israeli state terrorists.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/01/rick-santorum-says-murder-of-iranian-scientist-was-wonderful-thing

  40. Really- says:
    @Bill Jones

    No mention of unicorns either. That’s because they don’t exist.

  41. @Buzz Mohawk

    those who claim to know what is factual and what is a smoke screen continue to ignore the true Facts of what candidates do represent in PRIVATE.

    Sanders is a socialist, but socialism does not function with out capitalism on the hands of true American’s middle class, but with most of our middle class already destroyed thanks to the Zionist Jews’ laws that forbid for any corporation to manufacture its products with America’s natural resources or if need be buying whatever is needed from offshore materials, something that has forced a lot of corporations to move elsewhere in order to stay in business.

    take for instance the Gibson guitars that our fascist government force to close its doors because of the special wood that this particular company was baying from another country, so the Zionist American government force them to close unless they moved their business to where ever they were buying their particular wood to build their guitars and their employees lost their jobs.

    that is why cars are been built in Mexico, Canada and else where instead of building them in America like we used to and why the prices have gone sky high that only employed with high wages can afford to buy them..

    same with parts of air planes that are been built in China, using the same stupid Zionist logic while the American people loses homes and israhell recives billions of dollars, to build new neighborhoods in stolen land Americans lose their high paying jobs and lose their homes sending them and their families out on the street.

    Sanders is a representative of ISRAEL FIRST AS A JEW HIMSELF HIS PRIORITY WILL ALWAYS BE ISRAHEL FIRST SAME AS ALL THE REST OF FASCIST REPRESENTAIVES AMERICANS HAVE SENT TO THE WHITE HOUSE,

    TRUMP perhaps could make a difference we don’t know for sure since every one of them has lied to all of us with false promises, but for the way the jews are attacking Him, maybe TRUMP COULD PUT AMERICA FIRST AND THEN THE REST OF THE WORLD, AFTER ALL HE IS PAYING HIS OWN TICKET INTO THE WHITE HOUSE WHILE ALL THE OTHERS ARE BEEN SUPPORTED BY THE ZIONIST JEWS TO CONTINUE ON WITH THEIR NWO AGENDA, AND FINISH UP AMERICA AS WE ALL KNEW IT ONCE UP ON A TIME

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