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What caused the FBI to open a counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign in July 2016, which evolved into the criminal investigation that is said today to imperil the Trump presidency?

As James Comey’s FBI and Special Counsel Robert Mueller have, for 18 months, failed to prove Donald Trump’s “collusion” with the Kremlin, what was it, in mid-2016, that justified starting this investigation?

What was the basis for the belief Trump was colluding, that he was the Manchurian candidate of Vladimir Putin? What evidence did the FBI cite to get FISA court warrants to surveil and wiretap Trump’s team?

Republican congressmen have for months been demanding answers to these questions. And, as Mueller’s men have stonewalled, suspicions have arisen that this investigation was, from the outset, a politicized operation to take down Trump.

Feeding those suspicions has been the proven anti-Trump bias of investigators. Also, wiretap warrants of Trump’s team are said to have been issued on the basis of a “dirty dossier” that was floating around town in 2016 — but which mainstream media refused to publish as they could not validate its lurid allegations.

Who produced the dossier?

Ex-British spy Christopher Steele, whose dirt was delivered by ex-Kremlin agents. And Steele was himself a hireling of Fusion GPS, the oppo research outfit enlisted and paid by the Clinton campaign and DNC.

Writes the Washington Times, Steele “paid Kremlin sources with Democratic cash.”

Yet, if Steele’s dossier is a farrago of falsehoods and fake news, and the dossier’s contents were used to justify warrants for wiretaps on Trump associates, Mueller has a problem.

Prosecutions his team brings could be contaminated by what the FBI did, leaving his investigation discredited.

Fortunately, all this was cleared up for us New Year’s Eve by a major revelation in The New York Times. Top headline on page one:

“Unlikely Source Propelled Russia Meddling Inquiry”

The story that followed correctly framed the crucial question:

“What so alarmed American officials to provoke the FBI to open a counterintelligence investigation of the Trump campaign months before the presidential election?”

The Times then gave us the answer we have been looking for:

“It was not, as Trump and other politicians have alleged, a dossier compiled by a former British spy hired by a rival campaign. Instead it was firsthand information from one of America’s closest intelligence allies.”

The ally: Australia, whose ambassador to Britain was in an “upscale London Bar” in the West End in May 2016, drinking with a sloshed George Papadopoulos, who had ties to the Trump campaign and who informed the diplomat that Russia had dirt on Hillary Clinton.

Papadopoulos had reportedly been told in April that Russia had access to Clinton’s emails.

Thus, when the DNC and John Podesta emails were splashed all over the U.S. press in June, Amb. Alexander Downer, recalling his conversation with Papadopoulos, informed his government, which has excellent ties to U.S. intelligence, and the FBI took it from there.

The Times’ story pounds home this version of events:

ORDER IT NOW

“The hacking and the revelation that a member of the Trump campaign may have had inside information about it were driving factors that led the FBI to open an investigation in July 2016 into Russian attempts to disrupt the election and whether any of Trump’s associates conspired.”

This, the Times assures us, “answers one of the lingering mysteries of the past year.”

Well, perhaps.

But if Papadopoulos’s drunken babbling to the Aussie ambassador triggered the investigation in July 2016, why was George not interviewed by the FBI until January 2017?

According to the Times, an FBI agent in Rome had been told by Steele in June 2016 what he had learned from the Russians.

And Steele was interviewed by the FBI in October 2016.

If Papadopoulos triggered the investigation, why the seeming FBI disinterest in him — as compared to Steele?

Yet another major question remains unanswered.

If, as the Times writes, the FBI was looking “into Russian attempts to disrupt the elections,” why did the FBI not open an investigation into the KGB roots of the Steele dossier that was written to destroy the Republican candidate, Donald Trump?

If Trump’s alleged “collusion” with Putin to damage Clinton was worthy of an all-out FBI investigation, why did the Clinton-DNC scheme to tie Trump to Russian prostitutes, using British spies and former KGB agents, not merit an FBI investigation?

Why was there less concern about the Clinton campaign’s ties to Russian agents, than to Trumpian “collusion” that is yet unproven?

Consider what the British spy Steele and his former KGB/FSB comrades accomplished:

They have kept alive a special counsel’s investigation that has divided our country, imperiled the FBI’s reputation, preoccupied and damaged a president, and partially paralyzed the U.S. government.

Putin must be marveling at the astonishing success of his old comrades from KGB days, who could pull off an intelligence coup like this and so cripple the superpower that won the Cold War.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Russia”
    “Kremlin”
    “ex-KGB”
    “Putin”

    Mr. Buchanan bangs this into his every column on the subject, thus securing his place on the right edge of the Establishment’s 3×5 card of condoned discourse.

    To paraphrase Mr. Orwell, “We always have to be at war with Eastasia.”

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    Buchanan is a longtime, wise peacemonger with respect to Russia and Iran. His mocking reference to KGB apparently went over your head.
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  2. KenH says:

    But if Papadopoulos’s drunken babbling to the Aussie ambassador triggered the investigation in July 2016, why was George not interviewed by the FBI until January 2017?

    Exactly. Something’s fishy. The Steele dossier that formed the original basis for the Trump-Russia collusion investigation is falling apart since it’s chock full of salacious and unverified claims. So a new narrative is being constructed to keep this alive and kicking.

    This investigation is nothing more than a political hit and attempted coup d’etat and we can thank none other than (((Rod Rosenstein))) for this.

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    • Replies: @Mr Tea
    Roger Stone's website StoneColdTruth has some interesting article about the ties between Mueller, Comey, and Rosenstein. The ConservativeTreehouse has what looks like it might be the whole octopus behind the scenes that would explain who has been up to what, possibly all the way back to the FBIs strange handling of what looked to a big case against agents of the Russian Rosatom nuclear agency. They wound up quietly pleading one Russian to one count of a lesser charge.
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  3. When I read “According to the New York Times…” I know lies will follow.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "When I read “According to the New York Times…” I know lies will follow."

    And that's the problem with a number of Americans today, left or right. Rather than making a concerted effort to be intelligent on matters, rather than compare multiple sources of information, from "left wing" to "right wing" to "libertarian" to "Alt Right", a hive mind has developed. Anything that disrupts the already implanted narrative is automatically dismissed. It's the race to the bottom of the brain stem.

    As far as I have seen, date no allegations or assertions have been firmly proven nor disproven regarding Steele's Dossier. Remember, Steele was writing in real time. And, as an experienced, well-respected, well-connected member of the intelligence community, one would have to offer substantial evidence as to how and why his information is "Fake News".
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  4. Cortes says:

    “Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive”

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  5. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    How come it never seems to occur to the liberal retards that the reason the Russians (and probably any country who could pay a few quid to a teenage hacker), got hold of Clinton’s emails because she was using an illegal, unsecured server, and neither she nor anyone she was corresponding with on that server gave a rip about whether it was easily hackable or not?

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  6. The whole Mueller investigation will fall apart. What lessons will the Trump administration and the American public learn from it? Mr. Buchanan errs that the Russian spin was triggered by Putin’s old KGB comrades. It was homemade.

    The whole affair tells the world more about the rottenness of the American political system and its elites. All the leftover crooks from the Obama and the Clinton political mafia have to be indicted, starting with Obama, Hillary Clinton, Comey, Lynch, Rosenstein, and Mueller with his appointed Clinton supporters. But also the former directors such as Clapper, Brennon and their ilk should be brought to justice.

    I mentioned already several times that the FBI, CIA et cetera are criminal organizations, which are run by a political mafia. I would even terminate the CIA the most significant, best paid and well-trained terror organization in the world, followed by the Mossad.

    To drain the swamp to have to turn the D.C. institutions upside down. But is Trump capable or still willing doing it? Doubts are appropriate. The Deep State has already gotten hold of Trump because he gave in by not publishing all the documents of the assassination of JFK. Wouldn’t they have demonstrated that the CIA committed the crime?

    Trump should put first his own house in order before starting another war against Iran for the benefit of Israel.

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    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    "Mr. Buchanan errs that the Russian spin was triggered by Putin’s old KGB comrades. It was homemade. "

    If you mean his closing line, I think he meant it as a joke.
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  7. Putin must be marveling at the astonishing success of his old comrades from KGB days, who could pull off an intelligence coup like this and so cripple the superpower that won the Cold War.

    No Pat, the US did not win the Cold War. It all ended fairly amicably. The Russians pulled their forces out of Eastern Europe and let those countries reassert their independence. Russia should have pressed for a formal treaty, certainly. But that’s another matter.
    It is true that since the Bill Clinton presidency the US Government has acted as if it did win the Cold War. This has been one of the root causes of America’s disastrous military and diplomatic policies. But Russia has revived as a great power, and has been joined by China.
    Some victory, then

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    Dennis Kucinich To Dems: Focus On Jobs Not ‘Process Of Impeachment’

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  9. bartok says:
    @anonymous
    “Russia”
    “Kremlin”
    “ex-KGB”
    “Putin”

    Mr. Buchanan bangs this into his every column on the subject, thus securing his place on the right edge of the Establishment’s 3x5 card of condoned discourse.

    To paraphrase Mr. Orwell, “We always have to be at war with Eastasia.”

    Buchanan is a longtime, wise peacemonger with respect to Russia and Iran. His mocking reference to KGB apparently went over your head.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    Wish that it were so. But looking back over several columns, he’s been pumping the “Russian meddling” over and over.
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  10. Corvinus says:
    @WorkingClass
    When I read "According to the New York Times..." I know lies will follow.

    “When I read “According to the New York Times…” I know lies will follow.”

    And that’s the problem with a number of Americans today, left or right. Rather than making a concerted effort to be intelligent on matters, rather than compare multiple sources of information, from “left wing” to “right wing” to “libertarian” to “Alt Right”, a hive mind has developed. Anything that disrupts the already implanted narrative is automatically dismissed. It’s the race to the bottom of the brain stem.

    As far as I have seen, date no allegations or assertions have been firmly proven nor disproven regarding Steele’s Dossier. Remember, Steele was writing in real time. And, as an experienced, well-respected, well-connected member of the intelligence community, one would have to offer substantial evidence as to how and why his information is “Fake News”.

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    • Replies: @Quartermaster
    The NYT has shown itself a liar repeatedly. From the mess with Duranty and Stalinist Russia, to issues we are surrounded with today. The NYT is utterly discredited as a source of information and nothing it publishes can be rusted unless it is corroborated from other sources.
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  11. @Ludwig Watzal
    The whole Mueller investigation will fall apart. What lessons will the Trump administration and the American public learn from it? Mr. Buchanan errs that the Russian spin was triggered by Putin's old KGB comrades. It was homemade.

    The whole affair tells the world more about the rottenness of the American political system and its elites. All the leftover crooks from the Obama and the Clinton political mafia have to be indicted, starting with Obama, Hillary Clinton, Comey, Lynch, Rosenstein, and Mueller with his appointed Clinton supporters. But also the former directors such as Clapper, Brennon and their ilk should be brought to justice.

    I mentioned already several times that the FBI, CIA et cetera are criminal organizations, which are run by a political mafia. I would even terminate the CIA the most significant, best paid and well-trained terror organization in the world, followed by the Mossad.

    To drain the swamp to have to turn the D.C. institutions upside down. But is Trump capable or still willing doing it? Doubts are appropriate. The Deep State has already gotten hold of Trump because he gave in by not publishing all the documents of the assassination of JFK. Wouldn't they have demonstrated that the CIA committed the crime?

    Trump should put first his own house in order before starting another war against Iran for the benefit of Israel.

    “Mr. Buchanan errs that the Russian spin was triggered by Putin’s old KGB comrades. It was homemade. ”

    If you mean his closing line, I think he meant it as a joke.

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  12. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @bartok
    Buchanan is a longtime, wise peacemonger with respect to Russia and Iran. His mocking reference to KGB apparently went over your head.

    Wish that it were so. But looking back over several columns, he’s been pumping the “Russian meddling” over and over.

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  13. Svigor says:

    As far as I have seen, date no allegations or assertions have been firmly proven nor disproven regarding Steele’s Dossier. Remember, Steele was writing in real time. And, as an experienced, well-respected, well-connected member of the intelligence community, one would have to offer substantial evidence as to how and why his information is “Fake News”.

    “Please offer substantial evidence as to how and why Santa Claus is “fake news.” You uneducated boob. Did you even graduate high school?

    The dossier is bogus until proven, that’s how these things work. Even swamp rat Comey called it “unverified.” So yes, it’s fake news, below even The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion in pedigree.

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  14. Svigor says:

    No Pat, the US did not win the Cold War. It all ended fairly amicably. The Russians pulled their forces out of Eastern Europe and let those countries reassert their independence.

    Thus, the most salient reason for the Cold War was no more, and the main US Cold War objective was fulfilled.

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  15. Virgile says:

    After the lies that the NYT spread about the Iraq nuclear capabilities that destroyed the life of millions of Arabs, Moslem and Christians, I still wonder how anyone could believe what its pro-Israel journalists keep writing.
    With its obvious bias, in my view the NYT has a very low credibility and is deep in the swamp.

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  16. Tiny Duck says:

    The problem with white men is white privilege. For us to be honest about our history, we’d have to come clean about our ancestors, our so-called education, the entire system that allows us to be “color-blind,” basically all the lies we’ve been fed since day one about the Calvinist work ethic that suggests we made it on humble Christianity and hard work alone.
    the family tree is rotten to the root, and our legacy is the inheritance of the psychopathology that has defined this country since day one. that we choose denial and avoidance is a testament to our lack of character and the truth of our soul.

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    Dear Tiny Duck,

    You write, "our legacy is the inheritance of the psychopathology that has defined this country since day one. that we choose denial and avoidance is a testament of our lack of character and the truth of our soul."

    Allow me to pose a few questions for purposes of clarification of your remarks.

    First, to whom are you referring by "our" and "we"? Do you mean citizens of the United States? Maybe you mean Caucasian citizens of the United States, of which you may be one, I don't know. Maybe you mean "white men" as you say in the previous paragraph. You refer to "the family tree", so I take it you are a part of this country. Knowing this would help me identify the inheritors of psychopathology you speak of or address.

    Second, please define and perhaps give examples of what you refer to as "white privilege" in the United States today. I would like this current and relevant, though your remarks reach back to John Calvin.

    Third, by "Calvinist work ethic" do you simply mean an arduous commitment to effort, planning and frugality, such as one might infer from a reading of Benjamin Franklin's Autobiography? In that case, might the simple reference to "work ethic" have been a more direct way of saying what you mean? Do you think a work ethic based on the teachings of Calvin would be a bad thing?

    Fourth, can you explain or give examples of the "denial and avoidance (that) is a testament to our lack of character and the truth of our soul."? What does that mean?

    The moniker you have chosen, Tiny Duck, suggests vulnerability and impressionability, or maybe a bubble bath, yet your writing has a tone of irony and rage. That is psychologically disjunctive. Have you been somehow deeply injured by historical events in the United States?

    Finally your message is puzzling in reference to "our so-called education, the entire system that allows us to be 'color blind' (quotation marks here are confusing)." If "we" did "come clean" what would that confession or abrogation look like? What form would it take?

    Is your writing in any way relevant to Mr. Buchanan's article about the FBI and the NYT, by the way?

    May the new year be prosperous and healthy for you.

    , @Da Wei
    Tiny Duck, please see my response to your writing here. It is number 21, but somehow did not get linked directly to your post number 16. Thank you.
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  17. The article provides further proof that anything the NY Times has published in the last 10 years or so, particularly since the organ became the property of Mexican Billionaire Carlos Slim, is deep state bullshit. Actually it has largely been that for twenty years or longer. The new book by former NY Times ace reporter Risen documents the decline to servile propaganda status of the onetime newspaper of record.

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    NY Times ... ... is deep state bullshit.

    Actually it has largely been that for twenty years or longer.
     
    you can go back to the 1930s when Stalin and his ((henchmen)) were genociding millions of Ukrainians and others with mass-starvation

    "there is no famine or actual starvation nor is there likely to be" and "any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda".[21]
     
    of the NYT 'reporter' who wrote the lies they eagerly published

    It was clear, meanwhile, from Duranty's comments to others that he was fully aware of the scale of the calamity. In 1934 he privately reported to the British embassy in Moscow that as many as 10 million people may have died, directly or indirectly, from famine in the Soviet Union in the previous year.[25]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty

    and the ((NYT)) has been shilling lies ever since, not least among them are it's incessant lies demanding for more and more wars for Israel
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  18. Rurik says:
    @exiled off mainstreet
    The article provides further proof that anything the NY Times has published in the last 10 years or so, particularly since the organ became the property of Mexican Billionaire Carlos Slim, is deep state bullshit. Actually it has largely been that for twenty years or longer. The new book by former NY Times ace reporter Risen documents the decline to servile propaganda status of the onetime newspaper of record.

    NY Times … … is deep state bullshit.

    Actually it has largely been that for twenty years or longer.

    you can go back to the 1930s when Stalin and his ((henchmen)) were genociding millions of Ukrainians and others with mass-starvation

    “there is no famine or actual starvation nor is there likely to be” and “any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda”.[21]

    of the NYT ‘reporter’ who wrote the lies they eagerly published

    It was clear, meanwhile, from Duranty’s comments to others that he was fully aware of the scale of the calamity. In 1934 he privately reported to the British embassy in Moscow that as many as 10 million people may have died, directly or indirectly, from famine in the Soviet Union in the previous year.[25]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty

    and the ((NYT)) has been shilling lies ever since, not least among them are it’s incessant lies demanding for more and more wars for Israel

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    Your comment reminded me of this:

    “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years.

    It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government.

    The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”

    – David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany
     
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  19. George Papadopoulos was a former Hillary Clinton State Dept. staffer when, in 03/06//16, he joined the Trump campaign as a low-level foreign policy adviser.

    Between 03/15/16 and 09/15/16 he tried six times to to arrange meetings between the Trump campaign and Russians, all of them rejected.

    On 04/26/16 he met with a Russian contact in London and was “reportedly” offered “dirt” on Hillary.

    05/21/16. According to Mueller’s investigation, a Trump campaign official refused Papadopoulos’s offer to broker meetings with Russian officials.

    09/15/16. Papadopoulos emailed a Russian contact, Boris Epshteyn, trying to connect him with Sergei Milliam, author of much of the Fusion GPS “dossier”.

    01/27/17. Papadopoulos was interviewed by the FBI, which resulted in his eventual indictment for lying to the Bureau.

    As Pat Buchanan discusses above, on 12/30/17, the NYT’s Maggie Haberman (known to be linked with the DNC), marketed a narrative that the FBI opened its Trump investigation due to Papadopoulos, and not because of the “dossier”.

    These dated facts are taken, mostly verbatim, from a timeline compiled by Doug Ross
    I recommend his: A TIMELINE OF TREASON: How the DNC and FBI Leadership Tried to Fix a Presidential Election [Updated Saturday, December 30, 2017]. It’s an excellent account of the key events, from 05/31/13 to the present, with dates and links to key documents. You can find it at his dougross timelineoftreason website.

    My comment:

    Papadopolous, like other “accused”, is entitled to the presumption of innocence. But if these facts were from the pages of a novel by John le Carre, the reader might at this point be wondering:

    How did this guy find his way from the employment of Mrs Clinton into the campaign team of her rival for the Presidency?

    Which candidate was he actually working for, and what was he employed to do?

    Why was it felt necessary for a DNC-linked “journalist”, in a politically-biased “newspaper”, to obfuscate the rather obvious fact that the Fusion GPS “dossier”was the pretext for the FBI investigation?

    Does that not follow from the remarkable fact that the dossier was paid for by both the Clinton campaign and the FBI?

    And does it not also confirm the suspicion that the immediate purpose of the dossier was to legitimise a surveillance operation by the incumbent party of its political opponent?

    And what might all that tell us about the ethical value and credibility of Mueller’s “investigation”?

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    I looked briefly at the timeline you recommended. I'm concerned about its reliability. For example, as you paraphrase its account, "George Papadopoulos was a former Hillary Clinton State Dept. staffer when, in 03/06//16, he joined the Trump campaign as a low-level foreign policy adviser."

    Mrs. Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State ended February 1, 2013.

    A Wikipedia article about Mr. Papadopoulos makes no mention of employment with Secretary of State Clinton or any other government agency. Instead: "Beginning in December 2015, Papadopoulos served on the National Security and Foreign Policy Advisory Committee for Ben Carson's campaign for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination.[11] He left the Carson campaign in February 2016."

    Of course, Wikipedia would want to obscure any Clinton/Papadopoulos connection. It would be quite noteworthy and illustrative of Wikipedia's bias if they did so here.

    Can anyone confirm the facts?
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  20. @Rurik

    NY Times ... ... is deep state bullshit.

    Actually it has largely been that for twenty years or longer.
     
    you can go back to the 1930s when Stalin and his ((henchmen)) were genociding millions of Ukrainians and others with mass-starvation

    "there is no famine or actual starvation nor is there likely to be" and "any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda".[21]
     
    of the NYT 'reporter' who wrote the lies they eagerly published

    It was clear, meanwhile, from Duranty's comments to others that he was fully aware of the scale of the calamity. In 1934 he privately reported to the British embassy in Moscow that as many as 10 million people may have died, directly or indirectly, from famine in the Soviet Union in the previous year.[25]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty

    and the ((NYT)) has been shilling lies ever since, not least among them are it's incessant lies demanding for more and more wars for Israel

    Your comment reminded me of this:

    “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years.

    It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government.

    The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”

    – David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany

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    that's a very revealing quote Mike

    we've been living under the domination of Satanic psychopaths ever since Woodrow Wilson handed them the keys to the US Treasury in 1913

    I was raised a Christian, and I harbor no hatred in my soul for anyone, but I must say, because of the sheer levels of suffering such men have caused, and why - (their megalomaniacal vanity)- I actually was happy when the news of two men in my lifetime so far had met their long overdue reward, and are now rotting in hell..

    David Rockefeller and Ted Kennedy

    soon to be accompanied by the last and final evil little man on my short list; John McCain

    I hope the Christ and the Gods can overlook my lack of Christian forbearance towards these mediocre little shitstains who've caused so much misery in their rotten lives
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  21. Da Wei says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The problem with white men is white privilege. For us to be honest about our history, we'd have to come clean about our ancestors, our so-called education, the entire system that allows us to be "color-blind," basically all the lies we've been fed since day one about the Calvinist work ethic that suggests we made it on humble Christianity and hard work alone.
    the family tree is rotten to the root, and our legacy is the inheritance of the psychopathology that has defined this country since day one. that we choose denial and avoidance is a testament to our lack of character and the truth of our soul.

    Dear Tiny Duck,

    You write, “our legacy is the inheritance of the psychopathology that has defined this country since day one. that we choose denial and avoidance is a testament of our lack of character and the truth of our soul.”

    Allow me to pose a few questions for purposes of clarification of your remarks.

    First, to whom are you referring by “our” and “we”? Do you mean citizens of the United States? Maybe you mean Caucasian citizens of the United States, of which you may be one, I don’t know. Maybe you mean “white men” as you say in the previous paragraph. You refer to “the family tree”, so I take it you are a part of this country. Knowing this would help me identify the inheritors of psychopathology you speak of or address.

    Second, please define and perhaps give examples of what you refer to as “white privilege” in the United States today. I would like this current and relevant, though your remarks reach back to John Calvin.

    Third, by “Calvinist work ethic” do you simply mean an arduous commitment to effort, planning and frugality, such as one might infer from a reading of Benjamin Franklin’s Autobiography? In that case, might the simple reference to “work ethic” have been a more direct way of saying what you mean? Do you think a work ethic based on the teachings of Calvin would be a bad thing?

    Fourth, can you explain or give examples of the “denial and avoidance (that) is a testament to our lack of character and the truth of our soul.”? What does that mean?

    The moniker you have chosen, Tiny Duck, suggests vulnerability and impressionability, or maybe a bubble bath, yet your writing has a tone of irony and rage. That is psychologically disjunctive. Have you been somehow deeply injured by historical events in the United States?

    Finally your message is puzzling in reference to “our so-called education, the entire system that allows us to be ‘color blind’ (quotation marks here are confusing).” If “we” did “come clean” what would that confession or abrogation look like? What form would it take?

    Is your writing in any way relevant to Mr. Buchanan’s article about the FBI and the NYT, by the way?

    May the new year be prosperous and healthy for you.

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    Da Wei, I just assumed that he was talking about his own family history. The moniker he has chosen is a simple misspelling because he has fat fingers and the 'i' key is next to the 'u' key.
    , @Tiny Duck
    1. I mean white people, especially white men

    2. White privilege (or white skin privilege) is a term for societal privileges that benefit people identified as white in some countries, beyond what is commonly experienced by non-white people under the same social, political, or economic circumstances. Examples would be better outcomes in education, employment, wealth, and policing standards

    3. I use Calvinist work ethic because white supremacist use such terms to add intellectual credence to their pathologies. I was merely pointing out that white men have most things handed to them

    4. Many white men will deny the existence of white privilege. whites will gentrify and move from Areas of Color. whites refuse to allow open borders immigration. whites refuse to give up power

    5. No, not really

    6. we would have a full scale reparations system. affirmative action would actually mean something. we would have an anti-inequality law that would punish all forms of unreasonable inequalities

    7. Yes, Buchanan is white and is using his white privilege to criticize an institution
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  22. Da Wei says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The problem with white men is white privilege. For us to be honest about our history, we'd have to come clean about our ancestors, our so-called education, the entire system that allows us to be "color-blind," basically all the lies we've been fed since day one about the Calvinist work ethic that suggests we made it on humble Christianity and hard work alone.
    the family tree is rotten to the root, and our legacy is the inheritance of the psychopathology that has defined this country since day one. that we choose denial and avoidance is a testament to our lack of character and the truth of our soul.

    Tiny Duck, please see my response to your writing here. It is number 21, but somehow did not get linked directly to your post number 16. Thank you.

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  23. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @englishmike
    George Papadopoulos was a former Hillary Clinton State Dept. staffer when, in 03/06//16, he joined the Trump campaign as a low-level foreign policy adviser.

    Between 03/15/16 and 09/15/16 he tried six times to to arrange meetings between the Trump campaign and Russians, all of them rejected.

    On 04/26/16 he met with a Russian contact in London and was "reportedly" offered "dirt" on Hillary.

    05/21/16. According to Mueller's investigation, a Trump campaign official refused Papadopoulos's offer to broker meetings with Russian officials.

    09/15/16. Papadopoulos emailed a Russian contact, Boris Epshteyn, trying to connect him with Sergei Milliam, author of much of the Fusion GPS "dossier".

    01/27/17. Papadopoulos was interviewed by the FBI, which resulted in his eventual indictment for lying to the Bureau.

    As Pat Buchanan discusses above, on 12/30/17, the NYT's Maggie Haberman (known to be linked with the DNC), marketed a narrative that the FBI opened its Trump investigation due to Papadopoulos, and not because of the "dossier".

    These dated facts are taken, mostly verbatim, from a timeline compiled by Doug Ross
    I recommend his: A TIMELINE OF TREASON: How the DNC and FBI Leadership Tried to Fix a Presidential Election [Updated Saturday, December 30, 2017]. It's an excellent account of the key events, from 05/31/13 to the present, with dates and links to key documents. You can find it at his dougross timelineoftreason website.


    My comment:

    Papadopolous, like other "accused", is entitled to the presumption of innocence. But if these facts were from the pages of a novel by John le Carre, the reader might at this point be wondering:

    How did this guy find his way from the employment of Mrs Clinton into the campaign team of her rival for the Presidency?

    Which candidate was he actually working for, and what was he employed to do?

    Why was it felt necessary for a DNC-linked "journalist", in a politically-biased "newspaper", to obfuscate the rather obvious fact that the Fusion GPS "dossier"was the pretext for the FBI investigation?

    Does that not follow from the remarkable fact that the dossier was paid for by both the Clinton campaign and the FBI?

    And does it not also confirm the suspicion that the immediate purpose of the dossier was to legitimise a surveillance operation by the incumbent party of its political opponent?

    And what might all that tell us about the ethical value and credibility of Mueller's "investigation"?

    I looked briefly at the timeline you recommended. I’m concerned about its reliability. For example, as you paraphrase its account, “George Papadopoulos was a former Hillary Clinton State Dept. staffer when, in 03/06//16, he joined the Trump campaign as a low-level foreign policy adviser.”

    Mrs. Clinton’s tenure as Secretary of State ended February 1, 2013.

    A Wikipedia article about Mr. Papadopoulos makes no mention of employment with Secretary of State Clinton or any other government agency. Instead: “Beginning in December 2015, Papadopoulos served on the National Security and Foreign Policy Advisory Committee for Ben Carson’s campaign for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination.[11] He left the Carson campaign in February 2016.”

    Of course, Wikipedia would want to obscure any Clinton/Papadopoulos connection. It would be quite noteworthy and illustrative of Wikipedia’s bias if they did so here.

    Can anyone confirm the facts?

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    Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

    For the record, Doug Ross's entry in the timeline, which I paraphrased, actually reads:

    "03/06/16. Former Hillary State Dept staffer George Papadopoulos learns he will join Trump campaign as a low-level policy adviser /Source DOJ"

     

    Having just read through the document which Ross cites as his source for that item, I think you are right to be concerned about the accuracy of the timeline. Certainly there is nothing in the document stating that GP ever worked at the State Department, under Clinton or anyone else.

    Since I made a point of saying that GP is "entitled to the presumption of innocence", I should withdraw any inference that he, or anyone in the Clinton-DNC campaign, was engaged in some spy-novel plot to entrap members of the Trump campaign in a "Trump-Russia collusion" conspiracy.

    Mrs Clinton is entitled to the presumption of innocence too.

    Ditto Maggie Haberman.

    I'll leave others to judge the innocence of the New York Times.
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  24. @Da Wei
    Dear Tiny Duck,

    You write, "our legacy is the inheritance of the psychopathology that has defined this country since day one. that we choose denial and avoidance is a testament of our lack of character and the truth of our soul."

    Allow me to pose a few questions for purposes of clarification of your remarks.

    First, to whom are you referring by "our" and "we"? Do you mean citizens of the United States? Maybe you mean Caucasian citizens of the United States, of which you may be one, I don't know. Maybe you mean "white men" as you say in the previous paragraph. You refer to "the family tree", so I take it you are a part of this country. Knowing this would help me identify the inheritors of psychopathology you speak of or address.

    Second, please define and perhaps give examples of what you refer to as "white privilege" in the United States today. I would like this current and relevant, though your remarks reach back to John Calvin.

    Third, by "Calvinist work ethic" do you simply mean an arduous commitment to effort, planning and frugality, such as one might infer from a reading of Benjamin Franklin's Autobiography? In that case, might the simple reference to "work ethic" have been a more direct way of saying what you mean? Do you think a work ethic based on the teachings of Calvin would be a bad thing?

    Fourth, can you explain or give examples of the "denial and avoidance (that) is a testament to our lack of character and the truth of our soul."? What does that mean?

    The moniker you have chosen, Tiny Duck, suggests vulnerability and impressionability, or maybe a bubble bath, yet your writing has a tone of irony and rage. That is psychologically disjunctive. Have you been somehow deeply injured by historical events in the United States?

    Finally your message is puzzling in reference to "our so-called education, the entire system that allows us to be 'color blind' (quotation marks here are confusing)." If "we" did "come clean" what would that confession or abrogation look like? What form would it take?

    Is your writing in any way relevant to Mr. Buchanan's article about the FBI and the NYT, by the way?

    May the new year be prosperous and healthy for you.

    Da Wei, I just assumed that he was talking about his own family history. The moniker he has chosen is a simple misspelling because he has fat fingers and the ‘i’ key is next to the ‘u’ key.

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    Surely you jest. And no, I didn't call you Shirley.
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  25. Tiny Duck says:
    @Da Wei
    Dear Tiny Duck,

    You write, "our legacy is the inheritance of the psychopathology that has defined this country since day one. that we choose denial and avoidance is a testament of our lack of character and the truth of our soul."

    Allow me to pose a few questions for purposes of clarification of your remarks.

    First, to whom are you referring by "our" and "we"? Do you mean citizens of the United States? Maybe you mean Caucasian citizens of the United States, of which you may be one, I don't know. Maybe you mean "white men" as you say in the previous paragraph. You refer to "the family tree", so I take it you are a part of this country. Knowing this would help me identify the inheritors of psychopathology you speak of or address.

    Second, please define and perhaps give examples of what you refer to as "white privilege" in the United States today. I would like this current and relevant, though your remarks reach back to John Calvin.

    Third, by "Calvinist work ethic" do you simply mean an arduous commitment to effort, planning and frugality, such as one might infer from a reading of Benjamin Franklin's Autobiography? In that case, might the simple reference to "work ethic" have been a more direct way of saying what you mean? Do you think a work ethic based on the teachings of Calvin would be a bad thing?

    Fourth, can you explain or give examples of the "denial and avoidance (that) is a testament to our lack of character and the truth of our soul."? What does that mean?

    The moniker you have chosen, Tiny Duck, suggests vulnerability and impressionability, or maybe a bubble bath, yet your writing has a tone of irony and rage. That is psychologically disjunctive. Have you been somehow deeply injured by historical events in the United States?

    Finally your message is puzzling in reference to "our so-called education, the entire system that allows us to be 'color blind' (quotation marks here are confusing)." If "we" did "come clean" what would that confession or abrogation look like? What form would it take?

    Is your writing in any way relevant to Mr. Buchanan's article about the FBI and the NYT, by the way?

    May the new year be prosperous and healthy for you.

    1. I mean white people, especially white men

    2. White privilege (or white skin privilege) is a term for societal privileges that benefit people identified as white in some countries, beyond what is commonly experienced by non-white people under the same social, political, or economic circumstances. Examples would be better outcomes in education, employment, wealth, and policing standards

    3. I use Calvinist work ethic because white supremacist use such terms to add intellectual credence to their pathologies. I was merely pointing out that white men have most things handed to them

    4. Many white men will deny the existence of white privilege. whites will gentrify and move from Areas of Color. whites refuse to allow open borders immigration. whites refuse to give up power

    5. No, not really

    6. we would have a full scale reparations system. affirmative action would actually mean something. we would have an anti-inequality law that would punish all forms of unreasonable inequalities

    7. Yes, Buchanan is white and is using his white privilege to criticize an institution

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    I had to laugh at your willful ignorance. You possess a type of racism that is a vicious pathology of the left that you sue to explain your own failures when the world doesn't lay everything at your feet simply because you exist.

    What you call "white privilege" is simply the result of hard work that you refuse to engage in. White supremism is simply the term you racists use to attempt to brush aside your own pathologies that have led you to failure.

    Unless you are willing to rise about your stupidity and see yourself for what you are, then you will get nothing from the world that won't turn to ashes in your hands and mouth. Your future is more of Detroit.
    , @Da Wei
    Tiny Duck, thank you for this thoughtful response, which deserves a careful reading. Allow me to respond. I try to be careful with my wording. I hope that doesn't come across as stilted or awkward. It's just who I am.

    1 Got it. (short for, "I understand what you mean.")

    2 Got it. Only, is it possible the better outcomes result from implementing the work ethic, Calvanistic or otherwise? And that anyone could improve one's condition through such means? Work hard and don't stop when the going gets tough. I look to the Chinese children I have known as examples of this. They study and strive with a passion. Maybe there's a Buddhist Work Ethic, too. (I only say that in jest.)

    3 I don't know any White Supremacists and only know the works of John Calvin as he wrote them and the effect of Calvinism on American history. They were a stern bunch, the Calvinists. If you transgressed, they'd put you in the stocks and you'd be subjected to humiliation and ridicule by the fellow villagers. Nobody wants to be embarrassed; everybody really just wants to fit in. Belonging is a strong desire in all people.

    The witty American journalist, H.L. Menkin once described Calvinism as, "The overriding fear that someone, somewhere was having a good time." I always liked that one.

    I think you are right that there is a strong work ethic in the Calvinist tradition. Up early, exercise, get to work and work hard, come home, say your prayers, organize things for the next day, that sort of thing. Sunday comes and you pray hard, on your knees before the Lord. Work, work, work. That's the work ethic. It's independent and determined and relentless. Doing that leads to success, so we are told. The work ethic stresses independent effort and independent thinking.

    Two things strike me, Tiny Duck. First, if a Supremacist (White or green) really uses the work ethic, the results will show. If the results show, you don't have to call yourself a Supremacist. Actually, you don't have time for such stuff, as you're working a lot. I don't know if White Supremacists call themselves White Supremacists, but if they do they should get off their butts and go to work to show supremacy.

    Second, you say "that white men have most things handed to them." A work ethic means they are independent and want or need things handed to them.

    Sorry. Something just happened. I hit the wrong key and this message is being sent before it is finished. I had this problem with my first message to you. Strange.

    Be well, and safe and have a good New Year. I will try to finish in a second, briefer, message.

    , @Da Wei
    Tiny Duck,

    This site is new to me and I am not adept with a computer. I much prefer paper and pen. While on my way to your message I saw another addressed to you. I took the time to respond to that. We were talking about work ethic, Calvanistic or otherwise, when something happened. Onward.

    4 You say, "Whites gentrify and move from Areas of Color." Did they move into the areas first and move out when darker skinned people moved in, thus creating Areas of Color? How and why did the Whites get there? Also, to "gentrify" as I understand it means for persons of greater means (money) to move into a neighborhood of lesser means. They fix up their property, make it attractive, and property prices go up. I've seen this happen several places. But, for it to happen, white people must first move into the area of a darker skinned population. This is the opposite of moving from Areas of Color. What is it white people want? Do they want to live around darker people to "gentrify" and improve the property values, or do they want to flee from the dark people? I'm not sure. "Gentrified" neighborhoods are safer to live in or drive through, but I avoid them for very personal reasons that have nothing at all to do with this conversation.

    5 This is good news and I am glad to hear it.

    6 Tiny Duck, we need to think this over carefully, as such measures have been taken since the mid 1960s and are all well within my frame of experience and memory. I was working to make what I thought would be a better world when President Johnson initiated the War on Poverty. When affirmative action first came in, people thought it would elevate the dark races. Affirmative action meant, by definition, that dark skinned people would be given preferential treatment in hiring and advancement. Personally, I didn't know if it would work but was willing to go along with it and try. People said we would soon see dark people in positions of authority and all would be better for it. Now, so many years later, I am hearing that things are actually worse, not better in any way, for all those programs. Something doesn't work, so we want to do more of it?

    Eventually, I gave up on programs as a way of making the world better. I saw that the only real way was for everybody to work hard and help each other out when they could. Be honest and loyal. Work hard. Do the right thing. Do your best. Honestly, that was what I came away from a long history of institutional work with. It's all in individual effort and nobody can do it for you.

    Who would receive full scale reparations? I've noticed that what is given freely is not appreciated and soon is viewed as a right of expectation. I've heard about "reparations" before but don't know quite what you mean by it. You ask for an "anti-inequality" law. Who would be punished by that law and who would benefit? What is an inequality that would be punished by this law?

    7 OK. I think you are saying that Pat Buchanan is white and is using the elevated position his whiteness gives him to make comments, some of which are critical of the New York Times and the FBI. Are you, by any chance, a frequent reader of the Times? I used to be. Are you favorable toward the FBI. I am not, actually.

    Finally, you say earlier on that white people don't want to give up their power. Over all of history, those who have wanted to give up their power have never kept it and that power has been taken by people who, guess what, don't want to give it up. Do you know anyone who wants to give up power? I don't.

    Good luck in the coming year!

    Tiny Duck, sorry that I used so much of your time with this. I wish you well. I know you are in earnest and intend for justice to be served.

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  26. Rurik says:
    @englishmike
    Your comment reminded me of this:

    “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years.

    It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government.

    The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”

    – David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany
     

    that’s a very revealing quote Mike

    we’ve been living under the domination of Satanic psychopaths ever since Woodrow Wilson handed them the keys to the US Treasury in 1913

    I was raised a Christian, and I harbor no hatred in my soul for anyone, but I must say, because of the sheer levels of suffering such men have caused, and why – (their megalomaniacal vanity)- I actually was happy when the news of two men in my lifetime so far had met their long overdue reward, and are now rotting in hell..

    David Rockefeller and Ted Kennedy

    soon to be accompanied by the last and final evil little man on my short list; John McCain

    I hope the Christ and the Gods can overlook my lack of Christian forbearance towards these mediocre little shitstains who’ve caused so much misery in their rotten lives

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    Rurik, I think it's possible that the domination goes back much further. The doings of some in colonial times are indicative of evil being in control, and later, Hamilton's influence, along with that of the bankers is also evidence that evil was dominant.

    Lincoln and the radical republicans were a truly evil cabal and ushered in a long period of dominance by their kind, from their war on the seceding states, through the period of plunder and subjugation they called "reconstruction" and the attempted genocide of the plains tribes.

    The psychopaths have been in control for a very long time, it seems to me.
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  27. @Corvinus
    "When I read “According to the New York Times…” I know lies will follow."

    And that's the problem with a number of Americans today, left or right. Rather than making a concerted effort to be intelligent on matters, rather than compare multiple sources of information, from "left wing" to "right wing" to "libertarian" to "Alt Right", a hive mind has developed. Anything that disrupts the already implanted narrative is automatically dismissed. It's the race to the bottom of the brain stem.

    As far as I have seen, date no allegations or assertions have been firmly proven nor disproven regarding Steele's Dossier. Remember, Steele was writing in real time. And, as an experienced, well-respected, well-connected member of the intelligence community, one would have to offer substantial evidence as to how and why his information is "Fake News".

    The NYT has shown itself a liar repeatedly. From the mess with Duranty and Stalinist Russia, to issues we are surrounded with today. The NYT is utterly discredited as a source of information and nothing it publishes can be rusted unless it is corroborated from other sources.

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    I completely agree. We have a triumvirate of the Democratic Party, New York Times, and FBI, that perfectly parallels their predecessors: the Communist Party, Pravda, and KGB.
    , @Corvinus
    "The NYT is utterly discredited as a source of information and nothing it publishes can be rusted unless it is corroborated from other sources."

    You speak in terms of sheer stupidity. A properly educated person vets each story, rather than dismiss the source in a wholesale manner. I get it, it's really easy to make this accusation rather than use your brain to think critically.
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  28. @Tiny Duck
    1. I mean white people, especially white men

    2. White privilege (or white skin privilege) is a term for societal privileges that benefit people identified as white in some countries, beyond what is commonly experienced by non-white people under the same social, political, or economic circumstances. Examples would be better outcomes in education, employment, wealth, and policing standards

    3. I use Calvinist work ethic because white supremacist use such terms to add intellectual credence to their pathologies. I was merely pointing out that white men have most things handed to them

    4. Many white men will deny the existence of white privilege. whites will gentrify and move from Areas of Color. whites refuse to allow open borders immigration. whites refuse to give up power

    5. No, not really

    6. we would have a full scale reparations system. affirmative action would actually mean something. we would have an anti-inequality law that would punish all forms of unreasonable inequalities

    7. Yes, Buchanan is white and is using his white privilege to criticize an institution

    I had to laugh at your willful ignorance. You possess a type of racism that is a vicious pathology of the left that you sue to explain your own failures when the world doesn’t lay everything at your feet simply because you exist.

    What you call “white privilege” is simply the result of hard work that you refuse to engage in. White supremism is simply the term you racists use to attempt to brush aside your own pathologies that have led you to failure.

    Unless you are willing to rise about your stupidity and see yourself for what you are, then you will get nothing from the world that won’t turn to ashes in your hands and mouth. Your future is more of Detroit.

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    Quartermaster! you'll wake the baby. At ease, now, please.

    I just received a thoughtful and earnest reply from Tiny Duck, following my response. I was in process of answering Tiny Duck when an errant key sent the message too early. I'm now about to complete it and I see your letter. I cannot proceed if you rip Tiny Duck's head off.

    First, I suggest moderation would strengthen your case. We fellowship with a gentle hand, you know.

    I am in process of finding out what Tiny Duck means by "white privilege", as I am unfamiliar with either the term or the phenomenon. You seem to have figured that out already. Maybe you're jumping the gun. You decide.

    You say, "White supremism is simply the term you racists use to attempt to brush aside your own pathologies that have led you to failure." Well, I can't argue with that, but it may be said in haste. We don't know that Tiny Duck is beset with failure, though we must agree failure is about 90% or the human experience, at best. Still, a work ethic propels us on.

    Finally, you banish Tiny Duck to Detroit with a mouth full of ashes, if Tiny Duck is unwilling to "rise about ... stupidity." You know, I am very new to this site, and I may not be here long with all this screaming and yelling going on. Detroit? Even Cops avoid Detroit. What did Tiny Duck ever do to you, Quartermaster, to warrant that?

    Now, Quartermaster ... what can I say? If you were here, I'd buy you a beer. Are you, by any chance, a white man? If so, then conduct yourself accordingly. Now, carry on.
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  29. Obviously Trump will not poop himself like Nixon did.

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  30. @Quartermaster
    The NYT has shown itself a liar repeatedly. From the mess with Duranty and Stalinist Russia, to issues we are surrounded with today. The NYT is utterly discredited as a source of information and nothing it publishes can be rusted unless it is corroborated from other sources.

    I completely agree. We have a triumvirate of the Democratic Party, New York Times, and FBI, that perfectly parallels their predecessors: the Communist Party, Pravda, and KGB.

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    "I completely agree. We have a triumvirate of the Democratic Party, New York Times, and FBI, that perfectly parallels their predecessors: the Communist Party, Pravda, and KGB."

    And that characterization best typifies "Fake News".
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  31. @anonymous
    I looked briefly at the timeline you recommended. I'm concerned about its reliability. For example, as you paraphrase its account, "George Papadopoulos was a former Hillary Clinton State Dept. staffer when, in 03/06//16, he joined the Trump campaign as a low-level foreign policy adviser."

    Mrs. Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State ended February 1, 2013.

    A Wikipedia article about Mr. Papadopoulos makes no mention of employment with Secretary of State Clinton or any other government agency. Instead: "Beginning in December 2015, Papadopoulos served on the National Security and Foreign Policy Advisory Committee for Ben Carson's campaign for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination.[11] He left the Carson campaign in February 2016."

    Of course, Wikipedia would want to obscure any Clinton/Papadopoulos connection. It would be quite noteworthy and illustrative of Wikipedia's bias if they did so here.

    Can anyone confirm the facts?

    Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

    For the record, Doug Ross’s entry in the timeline, which I paraphrased, actually reads:

    “03/06/16. Former Hillary State Dept staffer George Papadopoulos learns he will join Trump campaign as a low-level policy adviser /Source DOJ”

    Having just read through the document which Ross cites as his source for that item, I think you are right to be concerned about the accuracy of the timeline. Certainly there is nothing in the document stating that GP ever worked at the State Department, under Clinton or anyone else.

    Since I made a point of saying that GP is “entitled to the presumption of innocence”, I should withdraw any inference that he, or anyone in the Clinton-DNC campaign, was engaged in some spy-novel plot to entrap members of the Trump campaign in a “Trump-Russia collusion” conspiracy.

    Mrs Clinton is entitled to the presumption of innocence too.

    Ditto Maggie Haberman.

    I’ll leave others to judge the innocence of the New York Times.

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  32. Da Wei says:
    @Twodees Partain
    Da Wei, I just assumed that he was talking about his own family history. The moniker he has chosen is a simple misspelling because he has fat fingers and the 'i' key is next to the 'u' key.

    Surely you jest. And no, I didn’t call you Shirley.

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  33. Da Wei says:
    @Tiny Duck
    1. I mean white people, especially white men

    2. White privilege (or white skin privilege) is a term for societal privileges that benefit people identified as white in some countries, beyond what is commonly experienced by non-white people under the same social, political, or economic circumstances. Examples would be better outcomes in education, employment, wealth, and policing standards

    3. I use Calvinist work ethic because white supremacist use such terms to add intellectual credence to their pathologies. I was merely pointing out that white men have most things handed to them

    4. Many white men will deny the existence of white privilege. whites will gentrify and move from Areas of Color. whites refuse to allow open borders immigration. whites refuse to give up power

    5. No, not really

    6. we would have a full scale reparations system. affirmative action would actually mean something. we would have an anti-inequality law that would punish all forms of unreasonable inequalities

    7. Yes, Buchanan is white and is using his white privilege to criticize an institution

    Tiny Duck, thank you for this thoughtful response, which deserves a careful reading. Allow me to respond. I try to be careful with my wording. I hope that doesn’t come across as stilted or awkward. It’s just who I am.

    1 Got it. (short for, “I understand what you mean.”)

    2 Got it. Only, is it possible the better outcomes result from implementing the work ethic, Calvanistic or otherwise? And that anyone could improve one’s condition through such means? Work hard and don’t stop when the going gets tough. I look to the Chinese children I have known as examples of this. They study and strive with a passion. Maybe there’s a Buddhist Work Ethic, too. (I only say that in jest.)

    3 I don’t know any White Supremacists and only know the works of John Calvin as he wrote them and the effect of Calvinism on American history. They were a stern bunch, the Calvinists. If you transgressed, they’d put you in the stocks and you’d be subjected to humiliation and ridicule by the fellow villagers. Nobody wants to be embarrassed; everybody really just wants to fit in. Belonging is a strong desire in all people.

    The witty American journalist, H.L. Menkin once described Calvinism as, “The overriding fear that someone, somewhere was having a good time.” I always liked that one.

    I think you are right that there is a strong work ethic in the Calvinist tradition. Up early, exercise, get to work and work hard, come home, say your prayers, organize things for the next day, that sort of thing. Sunday comes and you pray hard, on your knees before the Lord. Work, work, work. That’s the work ethic. It’s independent and determined and relentless. Doing that leads to success, so we are told. The work ethic stresses independent effort and independent thinking.

    Two things strike me, Tiny Duck. First, if a Supremacist (White or green) really uses the work ethic, the results will show. If the results show, you don’t have to call yourself a Supremacist. Actually, you don’t have time for such stuff, as you’re working a lot. I don’t know if White Supremacists call themselves White Supremacists, but if they do they should get off their butts and go to work to show supremacy.

    Second, you say “that white men have most things handed to them.” A work ethic means they are independent and want or need things handed to them.

    Sorry. Something just happened. I hit the wrong key and this message is being sent before it is finished. I had this problem with my first message to you. Strange.

    Be well, and safe and have a good New Year. I will try to finish in a second, briefer, message.

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  34. Corvinus says:
    @Tim Howells
    I completely agree. We have a triumvirate of the Democratic Party, New York Times, and FBI, that perfectly parallels their predecessors: the Communist Party, Pravda, and KGB.

    “I completely agree. We have a triumvirate of the Democratic Party, New York Times, and FBI, that perfectly parallels their predecessors: the Communist Party, Pravda, and KGB.”

    And that characterization best typifies “Fake News”.

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  35. Corvinus says:
    @Quartermaster
    The NYT has shown itself a liar repeatedly. From the mess with Duranty and Stalinist Russia, to issues we are surrounded with today. The NYT is utterly discredited as a source of information and nothing it publishes can be rusted unless it is corroborated from other sources.

    “The NYT is utterly discredited as a source of information and nothing it publishes can be rusted unless it is corroborated from other sources.”

    You speak in terms of sheer stupidity. A properly educated person vets each story, rather than dismiss the source in a wholesale manner. I get it, it’s really easy to make this accusation rather than use your brain to think critically.

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  36. Da Wei says:
    @Quartermaster
    I had to laugh at your willful ignorance. You possess a type of racism that is a vicious pathology of the left that you sue to explain your own failures when the world doesn't lay everything at your feet simply because you exist.

    What you call "white privilege" is simply the result of hard work that you refuse to engage in. White supremism is simply the term you racists use to attempt to brush aside your own pathologies that have led you to failure.

    Unless you are willing to rise about your stupidity and see yourself for what you are, then you will get nothing from the world that won't turn to ashes in your hands and mouth. Your future is more of Detroit.

    Quartermaster! you’ll wake the baby. At ease, now, please.

    I just received a thoughtful and earnest reply from Tiny Duck, following my response. I was in process of answering Tiny Duck when an errant key sent the message too early. I’m now about to complete it and I see your letter. I cannot proceed if you rip Tiny Duck’s head off.

    First, I suggest moderation would strengthen your case. We fellowship with a gentle hand, you know.

    I am in process of finding out what Tiny Duck means by “white privilege”, as I am unfamiliar with either the term or the phenomenon. You seem to have figured that out already. Maybe you’re jumping the gun. You decide.

    You say, “White supremism is simply the term you racists use to attempt to brush aside your own pathologies that have led you to failure.” Well, I can’t argue with that, but it may be said in haste. We don’t know that Tiny Duck is beset with failure, though we must agree failure is about 90% or the human experience, at best. Still, a work ethic propels us on.

    Finally, you banish Tiny Duck to Detroit with a mouth full of ashes, if Tiny Duck is unwilling to “rise about … stupidity.” You know, I am very new to this site, and I may not be here long with all this screaming and yelling going on. Detroit? Even Cops avoid Detroit. What did Tiny Duck ever do to you, Quartermaster, to warrant that?

    Now, Quartermaster … what can I say? If you were here, I’d buy you a beer. Are you, by any chance, a white man? If so, then conduct yourself accordingly. Now, carry on.

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  37. Da Wei says:
    @Tiny Duck
    1. I mean white people, especially white men

    2. White privilege (or white skin privilege) is a term for societal privileges that benefit people identified as white in some countries, beyond what is commonly experienced by non-white people under the same social, political, or economic circumstances. Examples would be better outcomes in education, employment, wealth, and policing standards

    3. I use Calvinist work ethic because white supremacist use such terms to add intellectual credence to their pathologies. I was merely pointing out that white men have most things handed to them

    4. Many white men will deny the existence of white privilege. whites will gentrify and move from Areas of Color. whites refuse to allow open borders immigration. whites refuse to give up power

    5. No, not really

    6. we would have a full scale reparations system. affirmative action would actually mean something. we would have an anti-inequality law that would punish all forms of unreasonable inequalities

    7. Yes, Buchanan is white and is using his white privilege to criticize an institution

    Tiny Duck,

    This site is new to me and I am not adept with a computer. I much prefer paper and pen. While on my way to your message I saw another addressed to you. I took the time to respond to that. We were talking about work ethic, Calvanistic or otherwise, when something happened. Onward.

    4 You say, “Whites gentrify and move from Areas of Color.” Did they move into the areas first and move out when darker skinned people moved in, thus creating Areas of Color? How and why did the Whites get there? Also, to “gentrify” as I understand it means for persons of greater means (money) to move into a neighborhood of lesser means. They fix up their property, make it attractive, and property prices go up. I’ve seen this happen several places. But, for it to happen, white people must first move into the area of a darker skinned population. This is the opposite of moving from Areas of Color. What is it white people want? Do they want to live around darker people to “gentrify” and improve the property values, or do they want to flee from the dark people? I’m not sure. “Gentrified” neighborhoods are safer to live in or drive through, but I avoid them for very personal reasons that have nothing at all to do with this conversation.

    5 This is good news and I am glad to hear it.

    6 Tiny Duck, we need to think this over carefully, as such measures have been taken since the mid 1960s and are all well within my frame of experience and memory. I was working to make what I thought would be a better world when President Johnson initiated the War on Poverty. When affirmative action first came in, people thought it would elevate the dark races. Affirmative action meant, by definition, that dark skinned people would be given preferential treatment in hiring and advancement. Personally, I didn’t know if it would work but was willing to go along with it and try. People said we would soon see dark people in positions of authority and all would be better for it. Now, so many years later, I am hearing that things are actually worse, not better in any way, for all those programs. Something doesn’t work, so we want to do more of it?

    Eventually, I gave up on programs as a way of making the world better. I saw that the only real way was for everybody to work hard and help each other out when they could. Be honest and loyal. Work hard. Do the right thing. Do your best. Honestly, that was what I came away from a long history of institutional work with. It’s all in individual effort and nobody can do it for you.

    Who would receive full scale reparations? I’ve noticed that what is given freely is not appreciated and soon is viewed as a right of expectation. I’ve heard about “reparations” before but don’t know quite what you mean by it. You ask for an “anti-inequality” law. Who would be punished by that law and who would benefit? What is an inequality that would be punished by this law?

    7 OK. I think you are saying that Pat Buchanan is white and is using the elevated position his whiteness gives him to make comments, some of which are critical of the New York Times and the FBI. Are you, by any chance, a frequent reader of the Times? I used to be. Are you favorable toward the FBI. I am not, actually.

    Finally, you say earlier on that white people don’t want to give up their power. Over all of history, those who have wanted to give up their power have never kept it and that power has been taken by people who, guess what, don’t want to give it up. Do you know anyone who wants to give up power? I don’t.

    Good luck in the coming year!

    Tiny Duck, sorry that I used so much of your time with this. I wish you well. I know you are in earnest and intend for justice to be served.

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    Obviously you are ignorant about how it is happening.
    So I am going to help you.
    In White neighborhood some houses are for sale.
    Some of them are bought by educated nice black people.
    But eventually these nice black people are followed by not so nice black people.
    Process is accelerating and neighborhood is in process of decline.
    Actually the nice black people are moving out first.Followed by by white people.
    Neighborhood is going to the dogs
    , @Tiny Duck
    As for gentrification and white flight read Taneshi Coates.

    An anti inequality law fine or jail persons who said racist things and refused to allocate resources to traditionally marginalized groups
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  38. Svigor says:

    The problem with white men is white privilege.

    You have to go back. You can go back wearing your gimp mask and leash, if you want to represent on the way.

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  39. Svigor says:

    “The NYT is utterly discredited as a source of information and nothing it publishes can be rusted unless it is corroborated from other sources.”

    You speak in terms of sheer stupidity. A properly educated person vets each story, rather than dismiss the source in a wholesale manner. I get it, it’s really easy to make this accusation rather than use your brain to think critically.

    You are “disagreeing” with him by saying the same thing he said. You just called yourself stupid, you moron.

    And you were right, for once. Even if you did it in your usual, half-literate manner; “you speak in terms of sheer stupidity”? I wrote better than that in the 6th grade.

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  40. Svigor says:

    Corvinus and Thomm can’t even write colloquial American English; either they are ESL, or they have heads full of bad wiring to the extent they can’t write like normal Americans. Or both.

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  41. @Da Wei
    Tiny Duck,

    This site is new to me and I am not adept with a computer. I much prefer paper and pen. While on my way to your message I saw another addressed to you. I took the time to respond to that. We were talking about work ethic, Calvanistic or otherwise, when something happened. Onward.

    4 You say, "Whites gentrify and move from Areas of Color." Did they move into the areas first and move out when darker skinned people moved in, thus creating Areas of Color? How and why did the Whites get there? Also, to "gentrify" as I understand it means for persons of greater means (money) to move into a neighborhood of lesser means. They fix up their property, make it attractive, and property prices go up. I've seen this happen several places. But, for it to happen, white people must first move into the area of a darker skinned population. This is the opposite of moving from Areas of Color. What is it white people want? Do they want to live around darker people to "gentrify" and improve the property values, or do they want to flee from the dark people? I'm not sure. "Gentrified" neighborhoods are safer to live in or drive through, but I avoid them for very personal reasons that have nothing at all to do with this conversation.

    5 This is good news and I am glad to hear it.

    6 Tiny Duck, we need to think this over carefully, as such measures have been taken since the mid 1960s and are all well within my frame of experience and memory. I was working to make what I thought would be a better world when President Johnson initiated the War on Poverty. When affirmative action first came in, people thought it would elevate the dark races. Affirmative action meant, by definition, that dark skinned people would be given preferential treatment in hiring and advancement. Personally, I didn't know if it would work but was willing to go along with it and try. People said we would soon see dark people in positions of authority and all would be better for it. Now, so many years later, I am hearing that things are actually worse, not better in any way, for all those programs. Something doesn't work, so we want to do more of it?

    Eventually, I gave up on programs as a way of making the world better. I saw that the only real way was for everybody to work hard and help each other out when they could. Be honest and loyal. Work hard. Do the right thing. Do your best. Honestly, that was what I came away from a long history of institutional work with. It's all in individual effort and nobody can do it for you.

    Who would receive full scale reparations? I've noticed that what is given freely is not appreciated and soon is viewed as a right of expectation. I've heard about "reparations" before but don't know quite what you mean by it. You ask for an "anti-inequality" law. Who would be punished by that law and who would benefit? What is an inequality that would be punished by this law?

    7 OK. I think you are saying that Pat Buchanan is white and is using the elevated position his whiteness gives him to make comments, some of which are critical of the New York Times and the FBI. Are you, by any chance, a frequent reader of the Times? I used to be. Are you favorable toward the FBI. I am not, actually.

    Finally, you say earlier on that white people don't want to give up their power. Over all of history, those who have wanted to give up their power have never kept it and that power has been taken by people who, guess what, don't want to give it up. Do you know anyone who wants to give up power? I don't.

    Good luck in the coming year!

    Tiny Duck, sorry that I used so much of your time with this. I wish you well. I know you are in earnest and intend for justice to be served.

    Obviously you are ignorant about how it is happening.
    So I am going to help you.
    In White neighborhood some houses are for sale.
    Some of them are bought by educated nice black people.
    But eventually these nice black people are followed by not so nice black people.
    Process is accelerating and neighborhood is in process of decline.
    Actually the nice black people are moving out first.Followed by by white people.
    Neighborhood is going to the dogs

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    Thanks for the help, but it's not really on point. I think what you describe here I first heard called "white flight". You know, they move in and there goes the neighborhood? It was considered impolite to discuss in some circles, and adjusting your business practices led to nasty law suits. Then President Carter said people have a right to maintain the integrity of their neighborhoods. That changed nothing, but I was glad to hear it.

    We are all ignorant in some way, Ilyana_Rozumova, but you took the time to look for my ignorance in my words. I am touched.

    If you really want to help me with my ignorance, tell me how to set off quotes in those neat little blocks. I tried highlighting the text and clicking "Blockquote" and "Insert MORE tag" boxes, but it didn't work for me. Maybe I'm bound to live in ignorance. I have to use quotation marks, but it doesn't look as slick as others'.

    Prosperity to you in the coming year.

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  42. @Rurik
    that's a very revealing quote Mike

    we've been living under the domination of Satanic psychopaths ever since Woodrow Wilson handed them the keys to the US Treasury in 1913

    I was raised a Christian, and I harbor no hatred in my soul for anyone, but I must say, because of the sheer levels of suffering such men have caused, and why - (their megalomaniacal vanity)- I actually was happy when the news of two men in my lifetime so far had met their long overdue reward, and are now rotting in hell..

    David Rockefeller and Ted Kennedy

    soon to be accompanied by the last and final evil little man on my short list; John McCain

    I hope the Christ and the Gods can overlook my lack of Christian forbearance towards these mediocre little shitstains who've caused so much misery in their rotten lives

    Rurik, I think it’s possible that the domination goes back much further. The doings of some in colonial times are indicative of evil being in control, and later, Hamilton’s influence, along with that of the bankers is also evidence that evil was dominant.

    Lincoln and the radical republicans were a truly evil cabal and ushered in a long period of dominance by their kind, from their war on the seceding states, through the period of plunder and subjugation they called “reconstruction” and the attempted genocide of the plains tribes.

    The psychopaths have been in control for a very long time, it seems to me.

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  43. Da Wei says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Obviously you are ignorant about how it is happening.
    So I am going to help you.
    In White neighborhood some houses are for sale.
    Some of them are bought by educated nice black people.
    But eventually these nice black people are followed by not so nice black people.
    Process is accelerating and neighborhood is in process of decline.
    Actually the nice black people are moving out first.Followed by by white people.
    Neighborhood is going to the dogs

    Thanks for the help, but it’s not really on point. I think what you describe here I first heard called “white flight”. You know, they move in and there goes the neighborhood? It was considered impolite to discuss in some circles, and adjusting your business practices led to nasty law suits. Then President Carter said people have a right to maintain the integrity of their neighborhoods. That changed nothing, but I was glad to hear it.

    We are all ignorant in some way, Ilyana_Rozumova, but you took the time to look for my ignorance in my words. I am touched.

    If you really want to help me with my ignorance, tell me how to set off quotes in those neat little blocks. I tried highlighting the text and clicking “Blockquote” and “Insert MORE tag” boxes, but it didn’t work for me. Maybe I’m bound to live in ignorance. I have to use quotation marks, but it doesn’t look as slick as others’.

    Prosperity to you in the coming year.

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    Sorry! And I like your sense of humor.
    I was here a very long time ago, but for very short period of time I did go to Breitbart because I did like Trump. I still do but I can see that he starts to realize his limitations, and so he starting also to realize that the swamp is beating him.
    I came back short time ago and I do not use those squares also.
    You probably should ask Anonymous. He is the busybody on this site who could help you.

    By the way .
    You can find my comment (the last one ) on the article Greeks and Romans.
    I would be very interested in your opinions on it.
    , @englishmike

    If you really want to help me with my ignorance, tell me how to set off quotes in those neat little blocks. I tried highlighting the text and clicking “Blockquote” and “Insert MORE tag” boxes, but it didn’t work for me.
     
    Da Wei (and Ilyana):
    Using blockquotes is simple enough. Highlight the selected text using the cursor, then click on "Blockquote".
    If it hasn't worked for you so far, that might be because you are also clicking on "Insert MORE Tag" unnecessarily.
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  44. Tiny Duck says:
    @Da Wei
    Tiny Duck,

    This site is new to me and I am not adept with a computer. I much prefer paper and pen. While on my way to your message I saw another addressed to you. I took the time to respond to that. We were talking about work ethic, Calvanistic or otherwise, when something happened. Onward.

    4 You say, "Whites gentrify and move from Areas of Color." Did they move into the areas first and move out when darker skinned people moved in, thus creating Areas of Color? How and why did the Whites get there? Also, to "gentrify" as I understand it means for persons of greater means (money) to move into a neighborhood of lesser means. They fix up their property, make it attractive, and property prices go up. I've seen this happen several places. But, for it to happen, white people must first move into the area of a darker skinned population. This is the opposite of moving from Areas of Color. What is it white people want? Do they want to live around darker people to "gentrify" and improve the property values, or do they want to flee from the dark people? I'm not sure. "Gentrified" neighborhoods are safer to live in or drive through, but I avoid them for very personal reasons that have nothing at all to do with this conversation.

    5 This is good news and I am glad to hear it.

    6 Tiny Duck, we need to think this over carefully, as such measures have been taken since the mid 1960s and are all well within my frame of experience and memory. I was working to make what I thought would be a better world when President Johnson initiated the War on Poverty. When affirmative action first came in, people thought it would elevate the dark races. Affirmative action meant, by definition, that dark skinned people would be given preferential treatment in hiring and advancement. Personally, I didn't know if it would work but was willing to go along with it and try. People said we would soon see dark people in positions of authority and all would be better for it. Now, so many years later, I am hearing that things are actually worse, not better in any way, for all those programs. Something doesn't work, so we want to do more of it?

    Eventually, I gave up on programs as a way of making the world better. I saw that the only real way was for everybody to work hard and help each other out when they could. Be honest and loyal. Work hard. Do the right thing. Do your best. Honestly, that was what I came away from a long history of institutional work with. It's all in individual effort and nobody can do it for you.

    Who would receive full scale reparations? I've noticed that what is given freely is not appreciated and soon is viewed as a right of expectation. I've heard about "reparations" before but don't know quite what you mean by it. You ask for an "anti-inequality" law. Who would be punished by that law and who would benefit? What is an inequality that would be punished by this law?

    7 OK. I think you are saying that Pat Buchanan is white and is using the elevated position his whiteness gives him to make comments, some of which are critical of the New York Times and the FBI. Are you, by any chance, a frequent reader of the Times? I used to be. Are you favorable toward the FBI. I am not, actually.

    Finally, you say earlier on that white people don't want to give up their power. Over all of history, those who have wanted to give up their power have never kept it and that power has been taken by people who, guess what, don't want to give it up. Do you know anyone who wants to give up power? I don't.

    Good luck in the coming year!

    Tiny Duck, sorry that I used so much of your time with this. I wish you well. I know you are in earnest and intend for justice to be served.

    As for gentrification and white flight read Taneshi Coates.

    An anti inequality law fine or jail persons who said racist things and refused to allocate resources to traditionally marginalized groups

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    Tiny Duck,

    The curtness of your reply speaks volumes about you.

    Tiny Duck, when we think we have all the answers, or submit to one who professes to have all the answers for us, we learn no more. Wisdom is something you have to work for. It cannot be given to you.

    One final question, Tiny Duck:
    When those people who have power and property -- the white ones who had everything handed to them and never worked for it -- and that power and that money are "redistributed" to the more worthy people who didn't work for it, what then? Will those people who didn't work for it, but handed everything over to themselves now become productive citizens? Will the new society be wise, or just greedy and ruthless? When they spend all that they have taken, will they then turn on themselves? Have you looked at South Africa for inspiration?

    Good luck, Tiny Duck (to you as an individual person, but certainly not to the ideals you seem to embrace). Don't be a follower; stand up like a man. Think for yourself.

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  45. @Da Wei
    Thanks for the help, but it's not really on point. I think what you describe here I first heard called "white flight". You know, they move in and there goes the neighborhood? It was considered impolite to discuss in some circles, and adjusting your business practices led to nasty law suits. Then President Carter said people have a right to maintain the integrity of their neighborhoods. That changed nothing, but I was glad to hear it.

    We are all ignorant in some way, Ilyana_Rozumova, but you took the time to look for my ignorance in my words. I am touched.

    If you really want to help me with my ignorance, tell me how to set off quotes in those neat little blocks. I tried highlighting the text and clicking "Blockquote" and "Insert MORE tag" boxes, but it didn't work for me. Maybe I'm bound to live in ignorance. I have to use quotation marks, but it doesn't look as slick as others'.

    Prosperity to you in the coming year.

    Sorry! And I like your sense of humor.
    I was here a very long time ago, but for very short period of time I did go to Breitbart because I did like Trump. I still do but I can see that he starts to realize his limitations, and so he starting also to realize that the swamp is beating him.
    I came back short time ago and I do not use those squares also.
    You probably should ask Anonymous. He is the busybody on this site who could help you.

    By the way .
    You can find my comment (the last one ) on the article Greeks and Romans.
    I would be very interested in your opinions on it.

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    Ilyana_Rozumova, if you did not receive my comments on your work, please click Da Wei and look in my accumulated comments section. I sent 2 that may not have reached you, somehow. Very interesting work. I'm not finished, though.
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  46. Da Wei says:

    Ilyana_Rozumova:

    I’ve heard of Breitbart, but don’t really know what it is. I was hopeful for Trump, as well, but now see he’s probably right along with the rest. Who knows the machinations at work: threats to wife and children; revealing unflattering past or just manufacturing one; threats to life (look at JFK)? Who knows? Maybe he was with them all along, but I didn’t see it. I have a distant perspective and I am not exposed to US media nonstop. Now, on to more important things.

    I found your writing (Greeks and Romans) this morning, but had time only for the opening paragraphs. This writing excites my imagination and stimulates thought. Please be patient, as it will take time to parse out your thoughts and I must be careful to understand. Briefly, and at first glance, your Allegory of Earth is, to me, a more interesting image than the scene from Kubrick’s “2001 – a Space Odyssey”. As I visualize (and your writing is highly visual) your allegory, I get pulled into it. Then, there is the table and on the table a Chinese vase, a broken vase. (Am I in a Fellini movie?) My reaction is to guffaw at the implied joke that among the earliest parts of the universe was this Chinese vase. It is the beginning of the universe, yet the vase is already ancient and broken.

    Your humor runs deep, and I believe humor is an exalted form of creativity, and that creativity is the gift of ripping the membrane that encases logical categories to allow for new and unexpected associations. Therefore, I believe God must be the ultimate comedian, as well as the source of all creativity. I believe we are touched by the spirit when we create and that your writing is creative. Ergo,

    I will write more after reading the Greeks and Romans article and, as mentioned, examining your writing. I look forward to it and thank you. Please be well, or as I sometimes say to friends, “Be Swell.”

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  47. Da Wei says:
    @Tiny Duck
    As for gentrification and white flight read Taneshi Coates.

    An anti inequality law fine or jail persons who said racist things and refused to allocate resources to traditionally marginalized groups

    Tiny Duck,

    The curtness of your reply speaks volumes about you.

    Tiny Duck, when we think we have all the answers, or submit to one who professes to have all the answers for us, we learn no more. Wisdom is something you have to work for. It cannot be given to you.

    One final question, Tiny Duck:
    When those people who have power and property — the white ones who had everything handed to them and never worked for it — and that power and that money are “redistributed” to the more worthy people who didn’t work for it, what then? Will those people who didn’t work for it, but handed everything over to themselves now become productive citizens? Will the new society be wise, or just greedy and ruthless? When they spend all that they have taken, will they then turn on themselves? Have you looked at South Africa for inspiration?

    Good luck, Tiny Duck (to you as an individual person, but certainly not to the ideals you seem to embrace). Don’t be a follower; stand up like a man. Think for yourself.

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  48. Da Wei says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Sorry! And I like your sense of humor.
    I was here a very long time ago, but for very short period of time I did go to Breitbart because I did like Trump. I still do but I can see that he starts to realize his limitations, and so he starting also to realize that the swamp is beating him.
    I came back short time ago and I do not use those squares also.
    You probably should ask Anonymous. He is the busybody on this site who could help you.

    By the way .
    You can find my comment (the last one ) on the article Greeks and Romans.
    I would be very interested in your opinions on it.

    Ilyana_Rozumova, if you did not receive my comments on your work, please click Da Wei and look in my accumulated comments section. I sent 2 that may not have reached you, somehow. Very interesting work. I’m not finished, though.

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  49. @Da Wei
    Thanks for the help, but it's not really on point. I think what you describe here I first heard called "white flight". You know, they move in and there goes the neighborhood? It was considered impolite to discuss in some circles, and adjusting your business practices led to nasty law suits. Then President Carter said people have a right to maintain the integrity of their neighborhoods. That changed nothing, but I was glad to hear it.

    We are all ignorant in some way, Ilyana_Rozumova, but you took the time to look for my ignorance in my words. I am touched.

    If you really want to help me with my ignorance, tell me how to set off quotes in those neat little blocks. I tried highlighting the text and clicking "Blockquote" and "Insert MORE tag" boxes, but it didn't work for me. Maybe I'm bound to live in ignorance. I have to use quotation marks, but it doesn't look as slick as others'.

    Prosperity to you in the coming year.

    If you really want to help me with my ignorance, tell me how to set off quotes in those neat little blocks. I tried highlighting the text and clicking “Blockquote” and “Insert MORE tag” boxes, but it didn’t work for me.

    Da Wei (and Ilyana):
    Using blockquotes is simple enough. Highlight the selected text using the cursor, then click on “Blockquote”.
    If it hasn’t worked for you so far, that might be because you are also clicking on “Insert MORE Tag” unnecessarily.

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    Hey, englishmike, thank you! I'll try it. That's damn white of you!

    (Now, anyone's wincing at that is an indication of how we've descended since the days when it was a common expression, the days of gentlemanly honor, duty and Kipling.)

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  50. Da Wei says:
    @englishmike

    If you really want to help me with my ignorance, tell me how to set off quotes in those neat little blocks. I tried highlighting the text and clicking “Blockquote” and “Insert MORE tag” boxes, but it didn’t work for me.
     
    Da Wei (and Ilyana):
    Using blockquotes is simple enough. Highlight the selected text using the cursor, then click on "Blockquote".
    If it hasn't worked for you so far, that might be because you are also clicking on "Insert MORE Tag" unnecessarily.

    Hey, englishmike, thank you! I’ll try it. That’s damn white of you!

    (Now, anyone’s wincing at that is an indication of how we’ve descended since the days when it was a common expression, the days of gentlemanly honor, duty and Kipling.)

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  51. Mr Tea says:
    @KenH

    But if Papadopoulos’s drunken babbling to the Aussie ambassador triggered the investigation in July 2016, why was George not interviewed by the FBI until January 2017?
     
    Exactly. Something's fishy. The Steele dossier that formed the original basis for the Trump-Russia collusion investigation is falling apart since it's chock full of salacious and unverified claims. So a new narrative is being constructed to keep this alive and kicking.

    This investigation is nothing more than a political hit and attempted coup d'etat and we can thank none other than (((Rod Rosenstein))) for this.

    Roger Stone’s website StoneColdTruth has some interesting article about the ties between Mueller, Comey, and Rosenstein. The ConservativeTreehouse has what looks like it might be the whole octopus behind the scenes that would explain who has been up to what, possibly all the way back to the FBIs strange handling of what looked to a big case against agents of the Russian Rosatom nuclear agency. They wound up quietly pleading one Russian to one count of a lesser charge.

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  52. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    All down the memory hole now.

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