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With ISIS on the run in Syria, President Trump this week declared that he intends to make good on his promise to bring the troops home.

“I want to get out. I want to bring our troops back home,” said the president. We’ve gotten “nothing out of the $7 trillion (spent) in the Middle East in the last 17 years. … So, it’s time.”

Not so fast, Mr. President.

For even as Trump was speaking he was being contradicted by his Centcom commander Gen. Joseph Votel. “A lot of good progress has been made” in Syria, Votel conceded, “but the hard part … is in front of us.”

Moreover, added Votel, when we defeat ISIS, we must stabilize Syria and see to its reconstruction.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson had been even more specific:

“It is crucial to our national defense to maintain a military and diplomatic presence in Syria, to help bring an end to that conflict, as they chart a course to achieve a new political future.”

But has not Syria’s “political future” already been charted?

Bashar Assad, backed by Iran and Russia, has won his seven-year civil war. He has retaken the rebel stronghold of Eastern Ghouta near Damascus. He now controls most of the country that we and the Kurds do not.

According to The Washington Post, Defense Secretary James Mattis is also not on board with Trump and “has repeatedly said … that U.S. troops would be staying in Syria for the foreseeable future to guarantee stability and political resolution to the civil war.”

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, who fears a “Shiite corridor” from Tehran to Baghdad, Damascus and Beirut, also opposes Trump. “If you take those (U.S.) troops out from east Syria,” the prince told Time, “you will lose that checkpoint … American troops should stay (in Syria) at least for the mid-term, if not the long-term.”

Bibi Netanyahu also wants us to stay in Syria.

Wednesday, Trump acceded to his generals. He agreed to leave our troops in Syria until ISIS is finished. However, as the 2,000 U.S. troops there are not now engaging ISIS — many of our Kurd allies are going back north to defend border towns threatened by Turkey — this could take a while.

Yet a showdown is coming. And, stated starkly, the divide is this:

Trump sees al-Qaida and ISIS as the real enemy and is prepared to pull all U.S. forces out of Syria as soon as the caliphate is eradicated. And if Assad is in power then, backed by Russia and Iran, so be it.

ORDER IT NOW

Trump does not see an Assad-ruled Syria, which has existed since the Nixon presidency, as a great threat to the United States. He is unwilling to spill more American blood to overturn the outcome of a war that Syria, Iran and Russia have already won. Nor is he prepared to foot the bill for the reconstruction of Syria, or for any long-term occupation of that quadrant of Syria that we and our allies now hold.

Once ISIS is defeated, Trump wants out of the war and out of Syria.

The Israelis, Saudis and most of our foreign policy elite, however, vehemently disagree. They want the U.S. to hold onto that slice of Syria east of the Euphrates that we now occupy, and to use the leverage of our troops on Syrian soil to effect the removal of President Assad and the expulsion of the Iranians.

The War Party does not concede Syria is lost. It sees the real battle as dead ahead. It is eager to confront and, if need be, fight Syrians, Iranians and Shiite militias should they cross to the east bank of the Euphrates, as they did weeks ago, when U.S. artillery and air power slaughtered them in the hundreds, Russians included.

If U.S. troops do remain in Syria, the probability is high that Trump, like Presidents Bush and Obama before him, will be ensnared indefinitely in the Forever War of the Middle East.

President Erdogan of Turkey, who has seized Afrin from the Syrian Kurds, is threatening to move on Manbij, where Kurdish troops are backed by U.S. troops. If Erdogan does not back away from his threat, NATO allies could start shooting at one another.

As the 2,000 U.S. troops in Syria are both uninvited and unwelcome, a triumphant Assad is likely soon to demand that we remove them from his country.

Will we defy President Assad then, with the possibility U.S. planes and troops could be engaging Syrians, Russians, Iranians and Shiite militias, in a country where we have no right to be?

Trump is being denounced as an isolationist. But what gains have we reaped from 17 years of Middle East wars — from Afghanistan to Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yemen — to justify all the blood shed and the treasure lost?

And how has our great rival China suffered from not having fought in any of these wars?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

Copyright 2018 Creators.com.

 
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  1. anon[598] • Disclaimer says:

    Hear hear!
    Exactly right.

  2. Let’s concede that the irony’s neat:
    Chickenhawks of the Beltway elite
    Pay tuition for sons
    Who now march against guns
    As the Berkeley Police guard the street.

  3. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    US under the Empire of Judea is an evil country.

  4. Nexus321 says:

    If one 7th of those trillions had been invested commercially in the middle east it would have generated big return for the US along with good will. Now the US is in massive debt and appears to have an out of control military.

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
    , @Dani
  5. Realist says:

    Trump is being denounced as an isolationist.

    Trade, nothing more.

  6. A couple of years ago I remember reading on the “War Nerd” blog: “Who Won in Iraq? Anyone who stayed out!” He may be able to revise that article slightly with Syria as the subject.

    The Wars of Empire will be a major reason that the United States eventually falls apart.

    • Replies: @Dani
  7. Renoman says:

    If trump can pull out of Syria he will win the next election hands down. Americans are soooo tired of the whole middle East mess they just want to go home and as for Saudi Arabia and the Jews it is very hard to say which Country is most hated in the World but they are definitely #’s 1 and 2. keep at it Donny Daddy you are doing it right!

  8. I think I heard Rex Tillerson’s words in the fall on we will continue to remain in Syria. I thought remain in Syria? We are in Syria (officially) ? No one seemed to notice or react, it was matter of fact or rather slide the matter fact in to the US population. We have no business being in Syria. If we did, it would be to support the only rational one – Assad. Let’s join Russia and help Assad crush the “rebels” & issis. As is, I fear any US base in Syria is really being set up as a target (by whatever means) ; thereafter all blame will go to Iran and then like a bull chasing a false red flag of a matador we will go full bore on Iran.

    • Replies: @dkshaw
  9. Anonymous[737] • Disclaimer says:

    Can’t just cut and run from the Middle East, it’s humiliating for the United States to surrender and shows weakness which will invite further confrontation in the future.

  10. Anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:

    Pat Buchanan needs to catch up. The Alt Right has broken all the taboos of the last 50 years. He needs to step and talk more openly about how foolish WWII was. Without a doubt, he knows it.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    , @Avis
    , @Dani
  11. Randal says:

    The War Party does not concede Syria is lost. It sees the real battle as dead ahead. It is eager to confront and, if need be, fight Syrians, Iranians and Shiite militias should they cross to the east bank of the Euphrates, as they did weeks ago, when U.S. artillery and air power slaughtered them in the hundreds, Russians included.

    This incident (in reality it appears the few Russian casualties were just a few mercenaries who were not involved in the operation and were just in the wrong place at the wrong time) illustrates the reality of Syria now – that the US presence is the main obstruction to the ending of IS as a territorial power.

    Many have argued for this position for some time, and with some justice, or even gone further and suggested that the US has throughout used IS as a tool for its ulterior purpose of regime change in Syria. But even without adopting these positions, the case can be made just using conventional arguments put forward by Buchanan here – as he points out, the Kurds are now worrying about the Turks, not fighting IS. The Syrian government clearly now has the security and the military capability to mop up the remnants of IS, if the US would get out of the way.

    It has generally been true that the ones holding up a return to order in Syria (and thereby continuing and increasing the suffering) have been those supporting and thereby lengthening the rebellion, but that truth is becoming ever harder to cover up and deny, by those with an interest in doing so and the media clout required.

    Trump unfortunately is surrounded by military and other regime men who are beholden to lobby and personal interests that want regime change in Syria. He lacks the expertise, experience and knowledge in military and foreign affairs to argue against their disingenuous nonsense, and as a result is a bit of a sucker in these areas. It’s clear from the dithering described above by Buchanan that he lacks confidence in his own convictions on these matters, and will allow himself to be manipulated.

    Like all presidents, he will learn on the job and he will gain confidence in his own judgements in these new and unfamiliar areas for him. The question is: will he learn quickly enough and to what extent will he be successfully “shaped” in the process by the lobby- and dual-loyalists surrounding him?

    Time will tell.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  12. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    Showdown? No, just Show. The puppets change color, nothing else.

    Even if one charitably assumes that President Trump wants to leave Syria and won’t have launched more missiles by this time next week, the Establishment will prevail. Mr. Buchanan knows it, but his job is to enable the lingering, misplaced hopes of those who voted for Mr. Trump. There were complementary pundits telling everyone that Mr. Obama would fulfill his promises to close Gitmo but for Republican machinations, etc.

    After so many years in Washington, even “Mr. Paleoconservative” can’t conceive of a distinction between the American people and their rulers. Just count the uses of “we,” “us,” and “our” that keep people marinated in the sense that, because they live in Oklahoma, they must root for Uncle Sam.

  13. These people can’t identify a National Security threat even when bites them in the posterior. Syria gets boots on the ground with nary a whimper, but don’t dare enforce the borders of the US.

    Are they

    A: Stupid?
    B: Evil?
    C: Compromised by a certain state in the region?
    D: All of the above?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  14. nickels says:

    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States.

    So, since the military has been in ‘the actual service’ of Israel for the last 17 years, the President has no authority over them, as we see.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  15. “I want to get out. I want to bring our troops back home,” said the president. We’ve gotten “nothing out of the $7 trillion (spent) in the Middle East in the last 17 years. … So, it’s time.”

    But why bother saying it if it’s just an irrelevant pipe dream? And why doesn’t Trump just resign rather than be the willing instrument of an evil that goes against all of his pre-election intimations and campaign promises?

    Perhaps it’s time to consider the possibility that Trump is a prolific liar and con man?

    • Replies: @HallParvey
    , @Carroll Price
  16. Trump wants to withdraw from the Middle East.
    Trump wants to destroy Iran for Israel and Saudi Arabia.
    It’s hard to see how he can have it both ways.

  17. @Harold Smith

    It takes years to close a military base inside the U.S. All that packing up, reassignments, what to throw out, what to ship and where. Closing out operations in a foreign country is just as difficult.
    It’s not just Trump. When will the U.K. exit from the E.U.? Are we talking months, years, decades?

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @Realist
  18. @Anonymous

    Can’t just cut and run from the Middle East, it’s humiliating for the United States to surrender and shows weakness which will invite further confrontation in the future.

    Bringing our troops home is common sense, not “cut and run” or “surrender”. As for any future confrontation, close our borders. The only way any Middle Easterner can harm the US is if we invite them here like we did with the Saudis who attacked on 9/11. I trust the US Navy and the US Air Force to keep any invasion force far from our shores.

  19. @Anonymous

    He needs to step and talk more openly about how foolish WWII was. Without a doubt, he knows it.

    Pat wrote a whole book about it:
    Churchill, Hitler, and The Unnecessary War: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World

  20. @nickels

    So, since the military has been in ‘the actual service’ of Israel for the last 17 years,

    Just 17 years? Since the regimes of LBJ and Nixon at least.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @dkshaw
  21. @HallParvey

    Seriously? Trump can’t end the illegal, unconstitutional, immoral, costly, pointless, self-destructive, world-war-3-risking occupation of Syria because it’s a logistical nightmare to close a base? LOL!

    In any case, if Trump was acting in good faith and actually intended to get out of Syria he would be coordinating it with the Syrian government and with Russia. Since he is apparently not doing that (nor did he ever do that AFAIK), that obviously means he is not acting in good faith and is just telling more lies.

  22. Realist says:

    Trump: No brains, no balls……the condition of many Americans.

    • Agree: FB
  23. Realist says:
    @HallParvey

    It’s not just Trump. When will the U.K. exit from the E.U.? Are we talking months, years, decades?

    The problem is the lack of will

  24. Max1007 says:

    Pat, excellent article.

  25. Randal says:

    Here’s an interesting suggestion from Pat Lang:

    Erdogan suffers from an illusion of centrality in the universe and like several other foreign potentates over the past hundred years does not realize that NATO member or not the US will go for his jugular vein if he attacks our forces in Northern Syria. He is a fool. DJT will tire of the game the Borg and the generals are playing with him and will deal harshly with them in order to have his will accepted.

    An intra-NATO warlet may be coming. pl ”

    Now Lang is one of the most authoritative voices there are in public on the ME from a US military and intelligence perspective, based upon experience, competence and track record, and his speculations on this kind of thing cannot lightly be dismissed.

    Fwiw, and with due caution I do differ slightly with him here, as regards the likely final outcome. I agree with him that there is likely no agreement (as many have speculated there might be over the past few weeks) and that Turkey might well try to take Manbij, and I agree that the US and its Euro-poodles are hoping to deter them from trying. But I suspect that the US/Brit/French position is a bluff, and that if the Turks call it, provided not too much American blood is spilt in the initial operations, the Yanks will fold. The Kurds have a clear interest in presenting their US sphere backing as solid, but their words don’t make it so.

    It will be very interesting to see what happens, if we are correct that Turkey will move on Manbij. It’s quite possible, of course, that Erdogan will blink first.

    The alternative view could be that the situation is akin to that over Kuwait in 1990, and certain lobbies (Israel, primarily) around the US regime are hoping to lure the Turks into a terminal conflict with the US. But this seems unlikely. The Turks are not nearly isolated enough for that to work, especially as they are likely to be backed quite quickly by Russia and China in any open conflict, and the US has far too much to lose in and around Turkey in the initial stages of any open conflict. Nor is Turkey, while not popular in Israel in recent years, a high priority target for Israel. It’s very hard to imagine the US actually choosing to go to war with Turkey at the moment – far easier to imagine the US dropping the Kurds.

    If Trump is going to finally put his generals in their place it seems to me to be more likely he will do so by rubbishing and overriding their inevitable insistence that commitments made to the Kurds must be honoured, than by going to war with a substantial NATO force.

    • Replies: @Anon
  26. anon[295] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s a honor system. It is ‘ Honor Killing’ . How could we allow this happen to our family? Yes,she has reasons . Yes ,he has reasons. They want to get married . They want to have life of their own choice. Yes they can be threatened by those outsiders who hate us ,who wishes ill of us.They would have no protection. We need to offer them the protection. We have to be there . It is the honor system. It is Honor Killing by drones, MOAB,by F 16. It is the AmericanExceptionalism . It is the duty and honor of the indispensible country . It is Honor Killing on Steroid of gun powder of respect.

    Haven’t we heard ‘They don’t respect us anymore’- the chants at ceremonial meetings of Obama Bashers organized by war monger so,Pentagon. CIA, and Military lobbyist pillars holding the sacrificial temples ?

    Respect !! Who says human sacrifices ended in the new world?

  27. Anon[295] • Disclaimer says:
    @Randal

    Any existential level conflict involving Iran or Turkey attics stage will generate a much wider conflicts. Ukraine is the example how far NATO/ West will go.Recent blood shedding of US and UK military personnel in Syria was followed by Trump’s call for withdrawal and by demand for staying.
    No one blamed Syrian go or Iran or Hizbullah. Because no one could getaway with makiging the connection and staying quiet at home . So why did they not make the connection and attack ? Because they can’t get away with that ether. It is new Cold War with a vengeance . No non aligned country any more. Either you are with us or with them. The world is ready for the division.

  28. @Chris Mallory

    If you believe that the Saudis had much to do with 9/11 then you simply haven’t bothered to really study what is known about it and I suggest that you do make the effort. It’s possible that some of the funding was transferred via Saudis in order to set them up as patsies should things come undone but there’s lots of evident pointing away from the Saudis and towards America’s special “ally” and the “only true democracy” in the ME. Continuously spouting about Saudi involvement only clouds the issue and offers a smokescreen for the real perpetrators. Is that your intention?

  29. @Anonymous

    Reagan withdrew from Lebanon after the truck bombing of the Marine barracks and the sun came up the next day from Maine to Honolulu. Acknowledging mistakes and withdrawing from impossible situations is a sign of maturity and good judgment.

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
  30. dkshaw says:
    @Simonsays451

    If no one attacks US troops in eastern Syria, the US will bomb its own people and blame Iran. It will attack Iran. The Russians and Iranians will counter attack. All bets are off after that.

  31. anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    Syria gets boots on the ground with nary a whimper, but don’t dare enforce the borders of the US.

    Concerns over sending NG to borders: Where will the money come from?

    Take if from US annual tribute to Israel.

  32. Antiwar7 says:
    @Nexus321

    Good point. But the crucial phrase is “for the US”. The people controlling this are doing it for themselves.

  33. Antiwar7 says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    No, that’s a sign of rationality and not having a completely evil and hidden purpose. A sign of maturity and good judgement would be not getting involved in the first place.

  34. Antiwar7 says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    That’s right. Always have at least two cover stories, with one somewhat “hidden”. Brilliant.

  35. @Chris Mallory

    ” Bringing our troops home is common sense, not “cut and run” or “surrender”. As for any future confrontation, close our borders. ”

    Agreed. As to the rest of your post, you might want to stop watching so much TV.

  36. KenH says:

    Bibi Netanyahu also wants us to stay in Syria.

    Oh, that comes as a huge shock. I’m sure he’s already given Trump an earful and reminded him who wears the pants in their relationship.

    Since Trump made the announcement he’s already contradicted himself a number of times and I saw this morning that Turkey says the U.S. is sending mixed signals which is hard to dispute. Apparently they don’t understand Trumpian jewjitsu and 4D chess.

    On the campaign trail Trump boasted how he knows more than the generals, but the generals seem to have him wrapped around their finger as does the neocon lobby.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  37. @NoseytheDuke

    The Saudis and the Israelis were partners in the matter.

  38. @Harold Smith

    With publicly stated policies and decisions being changed and reversed on a daily or hourly basis, Trump appears to be playing some sort of shell game with the American people.

  39. @NoseytheDuke

    The missing Pentagon funds used to reimburse Israel for doing 9/11 were apparently laundered through Saudi Arabia. In addition, the Saudis apparently provided the fake ID’s left by Mossad agents in conspicuous places to be found following the “attack”. Other than that, the Saudi’s apparently had nothing to do with it.

  40. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Randal

    Trump should formally order the CENTCOM commander (Currently Votel) through the Secretary of Defense (currently Mattis) to have accomplished a specific goal (such as no US military aircraft in Syria or Syrian airspace) by a specific date (such as 1 month) or said CENTCOM commander is relieved of duty. Trump can take it from there. It will do wonders for his command presence. Very simple. Takes balls, but very simple.

    • Replies: @Randal
    , @Jim Christian
  41. It is called good cop, bad cop people. Trump will never leave Syria, as he is a great con man in the greatest con of them all called democracy. Pat should know this by now!!! This is the same guy over a decade ago called both parties the two wings of the same bird of prey, and he still writes like things will change. The good cop, bad cop routine going on is pure genius for the globalists. Trump can say his hands are tied, while the stupid goobers will still think he is genuine and support him. Americans indeed have no brains or balls!!!!!!!

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  42. Randal says:
    @The Scalpel

    Trump can take it from there. It will do wonders for his command presence. Very simple. Takes balls, but very simple.

    Trump is not a man lacking in authority or lacking in experience of the ways of exercising it. If he has failed to get the military men under control it is because he has chosen not to do something like what you describe here, and it’s not because he lacks understanding of how to do it but because he fears to do it. Imo, that’s because of what I described above – his lack of expertise and experience in international and military affairs and consequent undue respect for the “experts” around him in these areas.

    He will imo probably rise to master this area, but how much damage will be done in the meantime and how badly misinformed will he be by then, by the militarists and neocons who now surround him? It’s not what we don’t know that’s the worst problem, it’s what we “know” that isn’t true, and that applies in spades to the US President.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
    , @The Scalpel
  43. We need to get out of the ME, that place is nothing but a money-pit, we’re now 21 trillion in the hole after 17 years of war. There is nothing to gain by staying. America is falling apart, Americans dying, addicted, homeless, the war is here at home…
    Another false flag gas attack last night, almost exactly a year since the last one on April 4th, 2017, what a coincidence, eh?
    Israel already demanding we attack Syria, right on cue. Our No.1 ally, don’t forget that!

    http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Israeli-officals-US-must-strike-in-Syria-549144

    The United States must attack the regime of Bashar Assad in Syria in response to the regime chemical gas strike on the Syrian town Douma that killed more than 70 people, Strategic Affairs and Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan said Sunday.

    Speaking on Army Radio, Erdan, who is Netanyahu’s number two in Likud, said he hoped US military action against the Assad regime would be taken again, as it was when the regime used chemical weapons against its people in the past.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @anon
  44. Randal says:

    So the delayed but generally anticipated fantasy “chemical attack” by Syrian forces has finally been deployed, and Trump has responded with due hysteria:

    Syria war: Trump condemns Syria for ‘chemical attack’ on Douma

    In a series of tweets, Mr Trump described President Assad as an “animal”.

    Donald J. Trump
    ✔ @realDonaldTrump

    Many dead, including women and children, in mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria. Area of atrocity is in lockdown and encircled by Syrian Army, making it completely inaccessible to outside world. President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad. Big price…

    Donald J. Trump
    ✔ @realDonaldTrump

    ….to pay. Open area immediately for medical help and verification. Another humanitarian disaster for no reason whatsoever. SICK!

    Needless to say if Trump actually believes this then he is a genuine idiot. The only possible reason for the Syrian Army to deploy chemical weapons in a fight they are winning easily would be if they wanted to turn that win into a defeat (perhaps a suggestion that Trump knows this is a lie is contained in his telling use of the accurate term “mindless” to describe the supposed attack).

    The question of whether he actually believes it or is lying is thus important for assessing whether the US really does have an idiot for President.

    However, whether he is stupid or is lying, what matters is what he orders the US military to do now. He has made much of the idea that Obama “caved” by not attacking Syria after setting out a “red line” on chemicals use, and Trump himself has previously ordered a criminal attack on Syrian government forces in response to previous similarly absurd allegations, and allowed representatives of his regime to threaten further attacks in the event of any more chemical attacks in effect setting out another Obama-style “red line”. How can he not now let his generals do something seriously stupid?

    We might be about to see the Trump regime finally eclipse the loony interventionism that the Clinton alternative would probably have indulged in, and finally give the lie to the idea (still just about tenable until now) that his election was better for world affairs than would have been a Clinton win.

    • Agree: The Scalpel, jimbojones
    • Replies: @anon
    , @KenH
    , @Anonymous
    , @peterAUS
  45. anon[342] • Disclaimer says:
    @Randal

    Trump should be told that it is none of his freaking business as the so called police violence in America is none of Assad’s business . The language has to be clear and direct for stupid like him and for animals caged in the beltway to understand.

    Or may be they should be reminded of their collective silence to Rumsfield’s take on torture ‘ Things happen ‘ or of Liberman’s bemoaning ‘ did Osama apologize ‘ over the question of possible offering of apologies by American president .

  46. KenH says:
    @Randal

    You beat me too it but I figured it was just a matter of time before a false flag chemical attack occurred after Trump announced his desire to withdraw from Syria last week . Now, of course, we must stay forever until the “animal” Assad is ousted and a pro-Israel lapdog is installed.

    For all of Trump’s human rights grandstanding he hasn’t acknowledged or shed any tears over the plight of white S. African farmers or pledged to oust the “animal” ANC. Trump’s too much of a coward to go there and S. Africa doesn’t pose any threat to Israel.

  47. @KenH

    I’m sure he’s already given Trump an earful and reminded him who wears the pants in their relationship.

    You’re correct!

    Trump Call With Netanyahu ‘Tense’ Over Plans to Leave Syria

    Netanyahu objected to US leaving Syria

    -Jason Ditz Posted onApril 5, 2018CategoriesNewsTagsIsrael, Syria, Trump

    https://news.antiwar.com/2018/04/05/trump-call-with-netanyahu-tense-over-plans-to-leave-syria/

    Humpty Trump probably had to pull up his baggy pants after that! Damned Orange Buffoon!

  48. @Robert Bruce

    It is called good cop, bad cop people.

    It’s also called, “say whatever you want,” even if some of it’s immediately contradictory. That way each person can pick what he wants to believe.

    It’s also called, “say one thing in public, another behind closed doors, do whatever your handlers tell you to, and flip-flop as necessary.”

  49. @redmudhooch

    The United States must attack the regime of Bashar Assad in Syria in response to the regime chemical gas strike on the Syrian town Douma that killed more than 70 people, Strategic Affairs and Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan said Sunday.

    But at the same time the US must send more bullets to the Israeli war criminal snipers who killed some unarmed, non-threatening protesters, and probably crippled over a thousand by shooting them in the knees and pelvis.

    Sick bas-turds!

  50. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Randal

    The question of whether he actually believes it or is lying is thus important for assessing whether the US really does have an idiot for President.

    He’s an idiot either way. Playing chicken with Russia for the Tribe might just earn us all one last Darwin Award.

  51. Trump isn’t stupid.
    They have probably threatened him and his family.
    He might think that doing the bidding of the tribe will get them off his back,
    that maybe the (((media))) will stop the constant lies and bashing, that maybe
    the deep state/Mueller will calm down and give him a break if he does what AIPAC wants.
    IMHO, there is nothing he can do to make them back off.

    It’s also possible that he’s been their boy all along.

    In any case, if he pushes for war, I will be in the streets protesting.

  52. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Randal

    He can do it, but he doesn’t want to do it. That is what I was implying. Why doesn’t he want to do it? That is the question. My take is that he is smart but his main goal in life is to “win.” He is not so concerned with ideals, truth, justice, – none of that so much as being seen as “winning.” He is a somewhat intelligent, spoiled, rich kid, bully all grown up. He will grab the low-hanging fruit, but is very timid about the more difficult stuff.

    In this particular case, what he fears most is making a stand and then having people criticize his decision after the fact – when inevitably something does not go perfectly, or at a minimum can be interpreted that way. By then, he will have no way to prove that he made the better decision to withdraw. He would rather let things play out along the path of least resistance and then take credit for any positive outcomes.

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  53. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Randal

    He can do it, but he doesn’t want to do it. That is what I was implying. Why doesn’t he want to do it? That is the question. My take is that he is smart but his main goal in life is to “win.” He is not so concerned with ideals, truth, justice, – none of that so much as being seen as “winning.” He is a somewhat intelligent, spoiled, rich kid, bully all grown up. He will grab the low-hanging fruit, but is very timid about the more difficult stuff.

    In this particular case, what he fears most is making a stand and then having people criticize his decision after the fact – when inevitably something does not go perfectly, or at a minimum can be interpreted that way. By then, he will have no way to prove that he made the better decision to withdraw. He would rather let things play out along the path of least resistance and then take credit for any positive outcomes.

  54. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Scalpel

    Charitably and well put. I would add:

    bully = coward

    However, I’m still more inclined to believe that Mr. Trump had no intention to do what he said he would in those good speeches written by young Mr. Miller.

    And in either case, I am happy not to have participated in another meaningless election.

  55. myself says:

    As of a few hours ago, there was purportedly an Assad-sponsored chemical attack in Syria.

    President Trump says he will make a decision on Syria within 48 hours.

    Whether or not chem-agents were used, the question is: BY WHICH ACTOR?

    FALSE FLAG ?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  56. peterAUS says:
    @myself

    FALSE FLAG ?

    Rhetorical question of the month.

    I would really love to get to the bottom of this one.
    It’s…………stupendous.

    If Assad side did it (say, between 1 and 3 % of probability) it deserves to be nuked into oblivion. Not because it was heinous but simply to purge the human gene pool from such idiot genes.

    If anti-Assad side did it (say, around 97-99 % probability) one has to give them credit for ruthlessness and resourcefulness, in that order. “Trigger men” are easy to find and irrelevant here.
    But people who planned, timed and ordered this, well…a “Machiavelli Order of Merit” for sure.

    Now, there is a possibility that the thing didn’t happen at all. All staged.
    If that’s the case, though, well………we do live in…..peculiar world.

  57. Avis says:
    @Anonymous

    He does. That’s why he wrote a book called “Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecesary War.”

  58. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @redmudhooch

    These Israeli bastards work through their stooges like Rubio, Cruz,Graham and entire Republican -Democratic gangs. Other day Cruz was schooling Zuckerberg how FACEBOOK remove certain voices and emphasize certain voices and ideas. Its time that he ask CNN FOX WSJ NYT same questions . He knows how it works . Israel has been propagating need for wars and unlimited war in ME for last 20 years or more

    Pace voice has gone missing for over last 60 years

    Only then these psychopath — Erdan like – will know their places

  59. Dani says:
    @Nexus321

    Nexus321, well said. If I may, the only thing I would like to add is in addition to massive debt and an out of control military, not only have we NOT generated good will in the Middle East, we have and are continuing to alienate both existing as well as potential allies. Plus even though some nations may remain quiet and choose to not criticize, it will be hard not to assume these ‘polite’ nations are thinking the worst of us, as they absolutely should be – as WE absolutely should be.

  60. Dani says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Diversity Heretic, first, I’ve not heard of “War Nerd” blog til now. It put a smile on my face because it’s a great name. Second, I am both impressed by and respectful of your optimism for the United States. If I am interpretting you correctly, you infer it’s falling apart as a potential eventuality instead of the current manifestation I personally see it as.

  61. Dani says:
    @Anonymous

    what is this Anonymous Disclaimer stuff about? Not surprising, of course, as it goes well with:
    “The Alt Right has broken all the taboos of the last 50 years. ” you would like to think that, i’m sure, but it is not the case. I am so sick to death of hearing those 2 words, to the point they sicken me & all i can picture are disgusting self-centered shilling controlled opp garbage POS like RS and his infantile henchmen. those of us who are truly enlightened know that all of the best information, action, resources and tools for waking others up as well as our own continuing education comes from the most humble and intelligent & aware people out there, who do not make fools of themselves at controlled oppo staged protests, they do not have 5 way arguments live streaming with other controlled shills & other people who are not whom they say they are, no, none of that immature drama that is shameful coming from people who
    taboos are being broken by alt right, that’s for sure, but not in any good ways. richard spencer alone should make anyone embarrassed to identify as alt right. it doesn’t matter anyway, because it hasn’t caught on with mature adults who are enlightened as fully aware of what is going on in this country and world, those of us whom when not in mixed company and speaking publicly will never use words like “globalists” or “eliteists” because we know that is just ridiculously mainstream and pathetic.

  62. @The Scalpel

    Accountability from Generals and Admirals would be refreshing. If they knew they’d be fired out before that 2nd star, they’d start getting things done or scale back their ambitions. Civilian control of the military and a vote on these antics would be nice also. This way, with the military dictating wars with the encouragement of the press enables everyone to say “Not my fault”.

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