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Saturday, Kim Jong Un tested an ICBM of sufficient range to hit the U.S. mainland. He is now working on its accuracy, and a nuclear warhead small enough to fit atop that missile that can survive re-entry.

Unless we believe Kim is a suicidal madman, his goal seems clear. He wants what every nuclear power wants — the ability to strike his enemy’s homeland with horrific impact, in order to deter that enemy.

Kim wants his regime recognized and respected, and the U.S., which carpet-bombed the North from 1950-1953, out of Korea.

Where does this leave us? Says Cliff Kupchan of the Eurasia Group, “The U.S. is on the verge of a binary choice: either accept North Korea into the nuclear club or conduct a military strike that would entail enormous civilian casualties.”

A time for truth. U.S. sanctions on North Korea, like those voted for by Congress last week, are not going to stop Kim from acquiring ICBMs. He is too close to the goal line.

And any pre-emptive strike on the North could trigger a counterattack on Seoul by massed artillery on the DMZ, leaving tens of thousands of South Koreans dead, alongside U.S. soldiers and their dependents.

We could be in an all-out war to the finish with the North, a war the American people do not want to fight.

Saturday, President Trump tweeted out his frustration over China’s failure to pull our chestnuts out of the fire: “They do NOTHING for us with North Korea, just talk. We will no longer allow this to continue. China could easily solve this problem.”

Sunday, U.S. B-1B bombers flew over Korea and the Pacific air commander Gen. Terrence J. O’Shaughnessy warned his units were ready to hit North Korea with “rapid, lethal, and overwhelming force.”

Yet, also Sunday, Xi Jinping reviewed a huge parade of tanks, planes, troops and missiles as Chinese officials mocked Trump as a “greenhorn President” and “spoiled child” who is running a bluff against North Korea. Is he? We shall soon see.

According to Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, Trump vowed Monday he would take “all necessary measures” to protect U.S. allies. And U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley bristled, “The time for talk is over.”

Are we headed for a military showdown and war with the North? The markets, hitting records again Monday, don’t seem to think so.

But North Korea is not the only potential adversary with whom our relations are rapidly deteriorating.

After Congress voted overwhelmingly for new sanctions on Russia last week and Trump agreed to sign the bill that strips him of authority to lift the sanctions without Hill approval, Russia abandoned its hopes for a rapprochement with Trump’s America. Sunday, Putin ordered U.S. embassy and consulate staff cut by 755 positions.

The Second Cold War, begun when we moved NATO to Russia’s borders and helped dump over a pro-Russian regime in Kiev, is getting colder. Expect Moscow to reciprocate Congress’ hostility when we ask for her assistance in Syria and with North Korea.

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Last week’s sanctions bill also hit Iran after it tested a rocket to put a satellite in orbit, though the nuclear deal forbids only the testing of ballistic missiles that can carry nuclear warheads. Defiant, Iranians say their missile tests will continue.
Recent days have also seen U.S. warships and Iranian patrol boats in close proximity, with the U.S. ships firing flares and warning shots. Our planes and ships have also, with increasingly frequency, come to close quarters with Russian and Chinese ships and planes in the Baltic and South China seas.

While wary of a war with North Korea, Washington seems to be salivating for a war with Iran. Indeed, Trump’s threat to declare Iran in violation of the nuclear arms deal suggests a confrontation is coming.

One wonders: If Congress is hell-bent on confronting the evil that is Iran, why does it not cancel Iran’s purchases and options to buy the 140 planes the mullahs have ordered from Boeing?

Why are we selling U.S. airliners to the “world’s greatest state sponsor of terror”? Let Airbus take the blood money.

Apparently, U.S. wars in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Somalia are insufficient to satiate our War Party. Now it wants us to lead the Sunnis of the Middle East in taking down the Shiites, who are dominant in Iran, Iraq, Syria and South Lebanon, and are a majority in Bahrain and the oil-producing regions of Saudi Arabia.

The U.S. military has its work cut out for it. President Trump may need those transgender troops.

Among the reasons Trump routed his Republican rivals in 2016 is that he seemed to share an American desire to look homeward.

Yet, today, our relations with China and Russia are as bad as they have been in decades, while there is open talk of war with Iran and North Korea.

Was this what America voted for, or is this what America voted against?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Amomynous says:

    If the Republican primary voters had wanted war, wouldn’t they have chosen Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio as their candidate in the general? They both out-polled Hillary. Most of the GOP candidates out-polled Hillary except for Trump. And only Bernie outpolled those GOPers. I don’t think this is what America wanted. The time for ‘splainin by this War Congress is over, now most of the incumbents of both parties need a good beatdown at the ballot box next year. There has never been a more promising opening for a viable third party, assuming we are not annihilated in a nuclear conflagration before the polls close in ’18.

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  2. Against … as if it mattered.

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  3. Randal says:

    Among the reasons Trump routed his Republican rivals in 2016 is that he seemed to share an American desire to look homeward.

    Yet, today, our relations with China and Russia are as bad as they have been in decades, while there is open talk of war with Iran and North Korea.

    Buchanan should name the neocon, as Ron Maxwell did in the American Conservative yesterday:

    How Romney Loyalists Hijacked Trump’s Foreign Policy

    Trump needs to know who exactly inside his own team is engaged in leading him to disaster as they led Bush II to disaster. In the end, it’s his administration and he will take the fall for what these poisonous fools do.

    Though in truth, if he isn’t even aware of the harm an open interventionist like Nikki Haley is doing in such a high profile position and manner, then there’s little hope for him.

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  4. The term overextended suggests itself here.

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  5. Kim wants his regime recognized and respected, and the U.S., which carpet-bombed the North from 1950-1953, out of Korea.

    In his country are 19 million of followers of Juche which is both a religion and a philosophy. Kim as a linear descendant and heir is a deity in the eyes of his people. He may be under pressures and obligations to his religious position we fail to consider and his actions may reflect this. Our DC fundamentalists should be aware of the Pyongyang branch.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

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  6. Rurik says: • Website

    Trump agreed to sign the bill that strips him of authority to lift the sanctions without Hill approval,

    very, very bad

    an indication that the deepstate (and their congressional whores, now to include Trump) considers the will of the American people as completely irrelevant. Just as with all the rest of the war presidents, from Wilson to FDR to Dubya and Obama, we always vote for peace, we always get warⓊ.

    Putin ordered U.S. embassy and consulate staff cut by 755 positions.

    good!

    get the rats out of there

    it is and has been my contention that the only reason we’re sabre rattling at Putin’s Russia is because of his involvement in Syria.

    it is and has been my contention that the world will be driven to the brink of a full-blown nuclear war, and over that brink, if that’s what it takes for Israel to steal the Golan Heights.

    ((they)) are simply not willing to allow this moment in time to be the zenith of the pendulum swing that has America and the Western world fighting and killing and dying for ‘greater Israel’.

    if the American people have yet another war for Israel forced upon us by a treasonous congress and perfidious White House, then it isn’t Iran or Russia or even N. Korea who we should aim our wrath at, but rather the traitors with their pockets full of shekels in Washington DC.

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    I couldn't agree more.
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  7. If we adopt this as our own, “whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.” then it looks as though we shall be fighting them all, everywhere, all the time.

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  8. schmenz says:
    @Rurik

    Trump agreed to sign the bill that strips him of authority to lift the sanctions without Hill approval,
     
    very, very bad

    an indication that the deepstate (and their congressional whores, now to include Trump) considers the will of the American people as completely irrelevant. Just as with all the rest of the war presidents, from Wilson to FDR to Dubya and Obama, we always vote for peace, we always get warⓊ.


    Putin ordered U.S. embassy and consulate staff cut by 755 positions.
     
    good!

    get the rats out of there

    it is and has been my contention that the only reason we're sabre rattling at Putin's Russia is because of his involvement in Syria.

    it is and has been my contention that the world will be driven to the brink of a full-blown nuclear war, and over that brink, if that's what it takes for Israel to steal the Golan Heights.

    ((they)) are simply not willing to allow this moment in time to be the zenith of the pendulum swing that has America and the Western world fighting and killing and dying for 'greater Israel'.

    if the American people have yet another war for Israel forced upon us by a treasonous congress and perfidious White House, then it isn't Iran or Russia or even N. Korea who we should aim our wrath at, but rather the traitors with their pockets full of shekels in Washington DC.

    http://newshour-tc.pbs.org/newshour/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/RTR2MU7D.jpg

    I couldn’t agree more.

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  9. Here’s a spanner in the works:

    China’s U.N. ambassador urged the international community on Monday to support President Xi Jinping’s new four-point proposal to end the decades-old Israeli-Palestinian conflict and establish an independent Palestinian state.
    Liu Jieyi said at a news conference that China’s future diplomatic efforts will focus on trying to move toward a negotiated solution based on the four proposals.

    Xi signaled China’s stepped-up engagement in the Middle East when he met about two weeks ago in Beijing with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and outlined the plan.

    The four points are:

    — Advancing the two-state solution based on 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as the capital of a new Palestinian state.
    —Upholding “the concept of common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security,” immediately ending Israeli settlement building, taking immediate measures to prevent violence against civilians, and calling for an early resumption of peace talks.
    —Coordinating international efforts to put forward “peace-promoting measures that entail joint participation at an early date.”

    —Promoting peace through development and cooperation between the Palestinians and Israel.

    The AP story went on to report that China considers a solution to the I/P conflict necessary, since China envisions both Israeli and Palestinian participation in China’s OBOR project.

    CONSIDER the implication of this initiative, announced at the UN even as Trump is huffing and puffing about North Korea, and getting mad at China for failing to do what US wants in that regard.

    China has pulled the rug out from under the US wrt to Israel/Palestine; the Chinese ambassador communicated to the “new sheriff in town” that her arrogant bluster is childish temper tantrum masquerading as authority.

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    Wow. USA on the path to irrelevance. But isn't the wounded predator the most dangerous?
    , @MEexpert
    Unfortunately, there are several problems with this proposal.

    Xi signaled China’s stepped-up engagement in the Middle East when he met about two weeks ago in Beijing with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and outlined the plan.
     
    The first problem is Mahmoud Abbas. He is on Israeli payroll. He has given more to Israel in return for nothing. He is good at keeping the Palestinians divided so he could maintain his position. His term expired long ago. As a precondition to peace Abbas must go. Abbas wants to keep Hamas out so he gets all the glory but without Hamas there will not be any peace. Hamas is a better representative of Palestinians than Abbas or Palestinian Authority (PA) is.

    Advancing the two-state solution based on 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as the capital of a new Palestinian state.
     
    This will be the biggest hurdle but for any sustainable solution must be resolved. Without this there will not be a Palestine. However, Netanyahu will never agree to it. This is not a new proposal. It has been on the table as long as the Palestinian issue has been.

    While Trump is busy in making "America Great Again," by going around thumping his chest and telling how great he is and what great things he is doing using every superlative in the English language, the real World powers are busy doing things that matter, such as the proposal above or Russian involvement in Syria. USA is becoming irrelevant at "Trumpian" rate all the while her UN Ambassador makes threats to every world power. Every country US disagrees with, will get sanctions imposed upon her. This is getting to be such a joke.
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  10. RobinG says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Here's a spanner in the works:

    China’s U.N. ambassador urged the international community on Monday to support President Xi Jinping’s new four-point proposal to end the decades-old Israeli-Palestinian conflict and establish an independent Palestinian state.
    Liu Jieyi said at a news conference that China’s future diplomatic efforts will focus on trying to move toward a negotiated solution based on the four proposals.


    Xi signaled China’s stepped-up engagement in the Middle East when he met about two weeks ago in Beijing with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and outlined the plan.

    The four points are:

    — Advancing the two-state solution based on 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as the capital of a new Palestinian state.
    —Upholding “the concept of common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security,” immediately ending Israeli settlement building, taking immediate measures to prevent violence against civilians, and calling for an early resumption of peace talks.
    —Coordinating international efforts to put forward “peace-promoting measures that entail joint participation at an early date.”

    —Promoting peace through development and cooperation between the Palestinians and Israel.
     
    The AP story went on to report that China considers a solution to the I/P conflict necessary, since China envisions both Israeli and Palestinian participation in China's OBOR project.

    ---

    CONSIDER the implication of this initiative, announced at the UN even as Trump is huffing and puffing about North Korea, and getting mad at China for failing to do what US wants in that regard.

    China has pulled the rug out from under the US wrt to Israel/Palestine; the Chinese ambassador communicated to the "new sheriff in town" that her arrogant bluster is childish temper tantrum masquerading as authority.

    --

    Wow. USA on the path to irrelevance. But isn’t the wounded predator the most dangerous?

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    Just why do we want/need to be relevant beyond our shores?
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  11. OutWest says:
    @RobinG
    Wow. USA on the path to irrelevance. But isn't the wounded predator the most dangerous?

    Just why do we want/need to be relevant beyond our shores?

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    Excellent question. Such concerns have never troubled any of the other nations in the western hemisphere.
    , @Joe Wong
    Because the West and the Muslim are the same, they are religion fanatics, converting everyone on the planet by whatever the means is the sole purpose of their existence.
    , @jacques sheete

    Just why do we want/need to be relevant beyond our shores?

     

    Amen to that. Minding one's own business would be a huge improvement over what we've been used to.
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  12. MEexpert says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Here's a spanner in the works:

    China’s U.N. ambassador urged the international community on Monday to support President Xi Jinping’s new four-point proposal to end the decades-old Israeli-Palestinian conflict and establish an independent Palestinian state.
    Liu Jieyi said at a news conference that China’s future diplomatic efforts will focus on trying to move toward a negotiated solution based on the four proposals.


    Xi signaled China’s stepped-up engagement in the Middle East when he met about two weeks ago in Beijing with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and outlined the plan.

    The four points are:

    — Advancing the two-state solution based on 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as the capital of a new Palestinian state.
    —Upholding “the concept of common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security,” immediately ending Israeli settlement building, taking immediate measures to prevent violence against civilians, and calling for an early resumption of peace talks.
    —Coordinating international efforts to put forward “peace-promoting measures that entail joint participation at an early date.”

    —Promoting peace through development and cooperation between the Palestinians and Israel.
     
    The AP story went on to report that China considers a solution to the I/P conflict necessary, since China envisions both Israeli and Palestinian participation in China's OBOR project.

    ---

    CONSIDER the implication of this initiative, announced at the UN even as Trump is huffing and puffing about North Korea, and getting mad at China for failing to do what US wants in that regard.

    China has pulled the rug out from under the US wrt to Israel/Palestine; the Chinese ambassador communicated to the "new sheriff in town" that her arrogant bluster is childish temper tantrum masquerading as authority.

    --

    Unfortunately, there are several problems with this proposal.

    Xi signaled China’s stepped-up engagement in the Middle East when he met about two weeks ago in Beijing with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and outlined the plan.

    The first problem is Mahmoud Abbas. He is on Israeli payroll. He has given more to Israel in return for nothing. He is good at keeping the Palestinians divided so he could maintain his position. His term expired long ago. As a precondition to peace Abbas must go. Abbas wants to keep Hamas out so he gets all the glory but without Hamas there will not be any peace. Hamas is a better representative of Palestinians than Abbas or Palestinian Authority (PA) is.

    Advancing the two-state solution based on 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as the capital of a new Palestinian state.

    This will be the biggest hurdle but for any sustainable solution must be resolved. Without this there will not be a Palestine. However, Netanyahu will never agree to it. This is not a new proposal. It has been on the table as long as the Palestinian issue has been.

    While Trump is busy in making “America Great Again,” by going around thumping his chest and telling how great he is and what great things he is doing using every superlative in the English language, the real World powers are busy doing things that matter, such as the proposal above or Russian involvement in Syria. USA is becoming irrelevant at “Trumpian” rate all the while her UN Ambassador makes threats to every world power. Every country US disagrees with, will get sanctions imposed upon her. This is getting to be such a joke.

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    Interesting. This says Abbas would be out.


    The Dahlan Plan: Without Hamas and Without Abbas
    Zvi Bar'el

    Thu,, Jun 29, 2017 12:10 PM

    © Haaretz Daily Newspaper Ltd. All Rights Reserved


    True, the plan leaves Hamas in control of security and doesn’t demilitarize it, but in Mohammed Dahlan, Israel would have a partner in Gaza who supports reconciliation

    While Israel counts the meager hours of electricity allocated each day to Gaza’s 2 million people, a complex arrangement is being cooked up between the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Gaza and Jerusalem. The purpose is to make Mohammed Dahlan, a political rival of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, government chief in Gaza, lift most of the closure imposed on the Strip by Egypt and Israel, build a new power station in Egyptian Rafah funded by the UAE, and later build a port.

    If this political experiment succeeds, Abbas will be pushed into a dark corner and Dahlan will act to take his place, either by elections or de facto recognition of his leadership. Egypt is already sending diesel fuel to Gaza at market prices, but without the taxes imposed by the Palestinian Authority. The UAE has earmarked $150 million to build a power station, and Egypt will soon gradually open the Rafah crossing to people and goods.

    It’s still too early to assess whether this plan will be fully implemented, and if Hamas will agree to place Dahlan at the head of the Gaza government, a step that could all but sever Gaza from the West Bank, especially given the long feud between Abbas and Dahlan. On the other hand, if the plan does come to fruition, it could make an Israeli-Egyptian dream come true.

    For Egypt, the plan holds the promise of an end to Hamas’ cooperation with terror groups in Sinai, and it would give Egypt a way out of the closure it has imposed on Gaza and the possibility of opening the Gaza market to Egyptian goods. For Benjamin Netanyahu’s government, the plan’s key is the appointment of Dahlan, who is close to Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman, as head of the “state of Gaza.”

    If the appointment is made, it will ensure a split between Gaza and the West Bank that will make it very difficult to negotiate over the future of the territories. But contrary to the situation now, Israel will have a legitimate partner in Gaza. The lifting of the closure, which would no longer mean much after Egypt opened the Rafah crossing, would give Israel another diplomatic dividend that could reduce international pressure, especially by the United States and even if only partially, for Israel to move ahead on negotiations.

    Thus, with all due caution, we can say that if the plan is implemented, it will ensure a fine profit for all sides, except for Abbas and Palestinian aspirations to establish a state. True, the plan leaves Hamas in control of security and doesn’t demilitarize it, but Israel would have a partner in Gaza who supports reconciliation with Israel. Qatari and Turkish involvement would be neutralized in the Strip, while Egypt and the UAE, Israel’s new friend, would shore up the agreement if breached.

    Anyone who supports “the economy first” as a way around a diplomatic solution, like Netanyahu, Lieberman and Transportation Minister Yisrael Katz, should embrace this agreement. But so far, not a peep has been heard from Israel. The government, which has already learned from the electricity crisis that it can’t evade responsibility for the Strip, is held captive by the failed concept that what’s good for Hamas is bad for Israel, and what helps Gazans strengthens Hamas. Israel would rather prepare for the next violent clash in the summer, just as long as it doesn’t have to initiate anything or be seen as letting Hamas rule, even though Israel long ago recognized Hamas’ control in Gaza as an advantage.

    According to the plan, Israel wouldn’t even have to recognize the new government that would be established in Gaza, and so it wouldn’t have to appear concerned over Abbas’ standing. After exactly 10 years, a fifth of the entire period of the occupation, Gaza has been under closure. Now there might be a chance to change the concept and try a new strategy in which Gazans will be the most important thing, not the status of the Hamas leadership or Israel’s prestige.
    , @roberthstiver
    MEexpert, I appreciate your comment. The Abbas/Fateh-Hamas imbroglio, of course, is all part of the Zionist strategy of divide and conquer. The Palestinians do have their own problems, but that 800-pound Zionist gorilla is always there, lurking, seething in psychotic fury.

    On the site of a re-post of Buchanan's article, I wrote this comment:

    A great, great geopolitical tour de force by Pat Buchanan! He’s the only “establishment” guy — of course he has been marginalized and demonized by the current knaves and psychopaths operating the military-industrial-security-intel-Zioneocon-government-media-finance complex — who analyzes from a “vital U.S. national interests” perspective.
    PB would be not only ‘great, great’ but ‘perfect’ here had he added one more trenchant, crucial paragraph to his many trenchant observations and his final question: to wit, “Let us solve Palestine-Israel, with precise objectivity and steely resolve, and then the U.S. can get on [diplomatically] to addressing other issues and crises in the region and around the world without that ultimate albatross around our necks.”

    (I also agree with Rurik's observation regarding the Golan Heights. It must be part of the package toward solving the Palestine-Israel(-cum Syria) morass.)

    "Palestine Is Still THE Issue!"
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  13. RobinG says:
    @MEexpert
    Unfortunately, there are several problems with this proposal.

    Xi signaled China’s stepped-up engagement in the Middle East when he met about two weeks ago in Beijing with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and outlined the plan.
     
    The first problem is Mahmoud Abbas. He is on Israeli payroll. He has given more to Israel in return for nothing. He is good at keeping the Palestinians divided so he could maintain his position. His term expired long ago. As a precondition to peace Abbas must go. Abbas wants to keep Hamas out so he gets all the glory but without Hamas there will not be any peace. Hamas is a better representative of Palestinians than Abbas or Palestinian Authority (PA) is.

    Advancing the two-state solution based on 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as the capital of a new Palestinian state.
     
    This will be the biggest hurdle but for any sustainable solution must be resolved. Without this there will not be a Palestine. However, Netanyahu will never agree to it. This is not a new proposal. It has been on the table as long as the Palestinian issue has been.

    While Trump is busy in making "America Great Again," by going around thumping his chest and telling how great he is and what great things he is doing using every superlative in the English language, the real World powers are busy doing things that matter, such as the proposal above or Russian involvement in Syria. USA is becoming irrelevant at "Trumpian" rate all the while her UN Ambassador makes threats to every world power. Every country US disagrees with, will get sanctions imposed upon her. This is getting to be such a joke.

    Interesting. This says Abbas would be out.

    The Dahlan Plan: Without Hamas and Without Abbas
    Zvi Bar’el

    Thu,, Jun 29, 2017 12:10 PM

    © Haaretz Daily Newspaper Ltd. All Rights Reserved

    [MORE]

    True, the plan leaves Hamas in control of security and doesn’t demilitarize it, but in Mohammed Dahlan, Israel would have a partner in Gaza who supports reconciliation

    While Israel counts the meager hours of electricity allocated each day to Gaza’s 2 million people, a complex arrangement is being cooked up between the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Gaza and Jerusalem. The purpose is to make Mohammed Dahlan, a political rival of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, government chief in Gaza, lift most of the closure imposed on the Strip by Egypt and Israel, build a new power station in Egyptian Rafah funded by the UAE, and later build a port.

    If this political experiment succeeds, Abbas will be pushed into a dark corner and Dahlan will act to take his place, either by elections or de facto recognition of his leadership. Egypt is already sending diesel fuel to Gaza at market prices, but without the taxes imposed by the Palestinian Authority. The UAE has earmarked $150 million to build a power station, and Egypt will soon gradually open the Rafah crossing to people and goods.

    It’s still too early to assess whether this plan will be fully implemented, and if Hamas will agree to place Dahlan at the head of the Gaza government, a step that could all but sever Gaza from the West Bank, especially given the long feud between Abbas and Dahlan. On the other hand, if the plan does come to fruition, it could make an Israeli-Egyptian dream come true.

    For Egypt, the plan holds the promise of an end to Hamas’ cooperation with terror groups in Sinai, and it would give Egypt a way out of the closure it has imposed on Gaza and the possibility of opening the Gaza market to Egyptian goods. For Benjamin Netanyahu’s government, the plan’s key is the appointment of Dahlan, who is close to Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman, as head of the “state of Gaza.”

    If the appointment is made, it will ensure a split between Gaza and the West Bank that will make it very difficult to negotiate over the future of the territories. But contrary to the situation now, Israel will have a legitimate partner in Gaza. The lifting of the closure, which would no longer mean much after Egypt opened the Rafah crossing, would give Israel another diplomatic dividend that could reduce international pressure, especially by the United States and even if only partially, for Israel to move ahead on negotiations.

    Thus, with all due caution, we can say that if the plan is implemented, it will ensure a fine profit for all sides, except for Abbas and Palestinian aspirations to establish a state. True, the plan leaves Hamas in control of security and doesn’t demilitarize it, but Israel would have a partner in Gaza who supports reconciliation with Israel. Qatari and Turkish involvement would be neutralized in the Strip, while Egypt and the UAE, Israel’s new friend, would shore up the agreement if breached.

    Anyone who supports “the economy first” as a way around a diplomatic solution, like Netanyahu, Lieberman and Transportation Minister Yisrael Katz, should embrace this agreement. But so far, not a peep has been heard from Israel. The government, which has already learned from the electricity crisis that it can’t evade responsibility for the Strip, is held captive by the failed concept that what’s good for Hamas is bad for Israel, and what helps Gazans strengthens Hamas. Israel would rather prepare for the next violent clash in the summer, just as long as it doesn’t have to initiate anything or be seen as letting Hamas rule, even though Israel long ago recognized Hamas’ control in Gaza as an advantage.

    According to the plan, Israel wouldn’t even have to recognize the new government that would be established in Gaza, and so it wouldn’t have to appear concerned over Abbas’ standing. After exactly 10 years, a fifth of the entire period of the occupation, Gaza has been under closure. Now there might be a chance to change the concept and try a new strategy in which Gazans will be the most important thing, not the status of the Hamas leadership or Israel’s prestige.

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    I don't think this will work because it divides the Palestinians, both the people and the state. Obviously, the proposal is coming from Israel.
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  14. MEexpert says:
    @RobinG
    Interesting. This says Abbas would be out.


    The Dahlan Plan: Without Hamas and Without Abbas
    Zvi Bar'el

    Thu,, Jun 29, 2017 12:10 PM

    © Haaretz Daily Newspaper Ltd. All Rights Reserved


    True, the plan leaves Hamas in control of security and doesn’t demilitarize it, but in Mohammed Dahlan, Israel would have a partner in Gaza who supports reconciliation

    While Israel counts the meager hours of electricity allocated each day to Gaza’s 2 million people, a complex arrangement is being cooked up between the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Gaza and Jerusalem. The purpose is to make Mohammed Dahlan, a political rival of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, government chief in Gaza, lift most of the closure imposed on the Strip by Egypt and Israel, build a new power station in Egyptian Rafah funded by the UAE, and later build a port.

    If this political experiment succeeds, Abbas will be pushed into a dark corner and Dahlan will act to take his place, either by elections or de facto recognition of his leadership. Egypt is already sending diesel fuel to Gaza at market prices, but without the taxes imposed by the Palestinian Authority. The UAE has earmarked $150 million to build a power station, and Egypt will soon gradually open the Rafah crossing to people and goods.

    It’s still too early to assess whether this plan will be fully implemented, and if Hamas will agree to place Dahlan at the head of the Gaza government, a step that could all but sever Gaza from the West Bank, especially given the long feud between Abbas and Dahlan. On the other hand, if the plan does come to fruition, it could make an Israeli-Egyptian dream come true.

    For Egypt, the plan holds the promise of an end to Hamas’ cooperation with terror groups in Sinai, and it would give Egypt a way out of the closure it has imposed on Gaza and the possibility of opening the Gaza market to Egyptian goods. For Benjamin Netanyahu’s government, the plan’s key is the appointment of Dahlan, who is close to Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman, as head of the “state of Gaza.”

    If the appointment is made, it will ensure a split between Gaza and the West Bank that will make it very difficult to negotiate over the future of the territories. But contrary to the situation now, Israel will have a legitimate partner in Gaza. The lifting of the closure, which would no longer mean much after Egypt opened the Rafah crossing, would give Israel another diplomatic dividend that could reduce international pressure, especially by the United States and even if only partially, for Israel to move ahead on negotiations.

    Thus, with all due caution, we can say that if the plan is implemented, it will ensure a fine profit for all sides, except for Abbas and Palestinian aspirations to establish a state. True, the plan leaves Hamas in control of security and doesn’t demilitarize it, but Israel would have a partner in Gaza who supports reconciliation with Israel. Qatari and Turkish involvement would be neutralized in the Strip, while Egypt and the UAE, Israel’s new friend, would shore up the agreement if breached.

    Anyone who supports “the economy first” as a way around a diplomatic solution, like Netanyahu, Lieberman and Transportation Minister Yisrael Katz, should embrace this agreement. But so far, not a peep has been heard from Israel. The government, which has already learned from the electricity crisis that it can’t evade responsibility for the Strip, is held captive by the failed concept that what’s good for Hamas is bad for Israel, and what helps Gazans strengthens Hamas. Israel would rather prepare for the next violent clash in the summer, just as long as it doesn’t have to initiate anything or be seen as letting Hamas rule, even though Israel long ago recognized Hamas’ control in Gaza as an advantage.

    According to the plan, Israel wouldn’t even have to recognize the new government that would be established in Gaza, and so it wouldn’t have to appear concerned over Abbas’ standing. After exactly 10 years, a fifth of the entire period of the occupation, Gaza has been under closure. Now there might be a chance to change the concept and try a new strategy in which Gazans will be the most important thing, not the status of the Hamas leadership or Israel’s prestige.

    I don’t think this will work because it divides the Palestinians, both the people and the state. Obviously, the proposal is coming from Israel.

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  15. @MEexpert
    Unfortunately, there are several problems with this proposal.

    Xi signaled China’s stepped-up engagement in the Middle East when he met about two weeks ago in Beijing with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and outlined the plan.
     
    The first problem is Mahmoud Abbas. He is on Israeli payroll. He has given more to Israel in return for nothing. He is good at keeping the Palestinians divided so he could maintain his position. His term expired long ago. As a precondition to peace Abbas must go. Abbas wants to keep Hamas out so he gets all the glory but without Hamas there will not be any peace. Hamas is a better representative of Palestinians than Abbas or Palestinian Authority (PA) is.

    Advancing the two-state solution based on 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as the capital of a new Palestinian state.
     
    This will be the biggest hurdle but for any sustainable solution must be resolved. Without this there will not be a Palestine. However, Netanyahu will never agree to it. This is not a new proposal. It has been on the table as long as the Palestinian issue has been.

    While Trump is busy in making "America Great Again," by going around thumping his chest and telling how great he is and what great things he is doing using every superlative in the English language, the real World powers are busy doing things that matter, such as the proposal above or Russian involvement in Syria. USA is becoming irrelevant at "Trumpian" rate all the while her UN Ambassador makes threats to every world power. Every country US disagrees with, will get sanctions imposed upon her. This is getting to be such a joke.

    MEexpert, I appreciate your comment. The Abbas/Fateh-Hamas imbroglio, of course, is all part of the Zionist strategy of divide and conquer. The Palestinians do have their own problems, but that 800-pound Zionist gorilla is always there, lurking, seething in psychotic fury.

    On the site of a re-post of Buchanan’s article, I wrote this comment:

    A great, great geopolitical tour de force by Pat Buchanan! He’s the only “establishment” guy — of course he has been marginalized and demonized by the current knaves and psychopaths operating the military-industrial-security-intel-Zioneocon-government-media-finance complex — who analyzes from a “vital U.S. national interests” perspective.
    PB would be not only ‘great, great’ but ‘perfect’ here had he added one more trenchant, crucial paragraph to his many trenchant observations and his final question: to wit, “Let us solve Palestine-Israel, with precise objectivity and steely resolve, and then the U.S. can get on [diplomatically] to addressing other issues and crises in the region and around the world without that ultimate albatross around our necks.”

    (I also agree with Rurik’s observation regarding the Golan Heights. It must be part of the package toward solving the Palestine-Israel(-cum Syria) morass.)

    “Palestine Is Still THE Issue!”

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  16. KenH says:

    And U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley bristled, “The time for talk is over.”

    Easy for Nimrata “we know” Haley to say as she won’t bear any of the costs of war and has no immediate family members that I know of who’ll be sent to the killing fields. Or for that matter Trump, Ryan, Chuck U. Schumer and the rest of the scoundrels. Nimrata should be sent to the 38th parallel and then we’ll see if she feels like making thunderous pronouncements.

    I thought Trump would be able to resist the (((neocon))) war party but instead he’s slowly dancing to the tune of their nonstop war drums. It looks like neutrality, diplomacy and normalization of relations with Russia were just empty campaign slogans.

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  17. anon says: • Disclaimer

    America is its own worst enemy, needlessly creating foes.

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    Abraham Lincoln said:

    America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.

     

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  18. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @OutWest
    Just why do we want/need to be relevant beyond our shores?

    Excellent question. Such concerns have never troubled any of the other nations in the western hemisphere.

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  19. Joe Wong says:
    @OutWest
    Just why do we want/need to be relevant beyond our shores?

    Because the West and the Muslim are the same, they are religion fanatics, converting everyone on the planet by whatever the means is the sole purpose of their existence.

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  20. @OutWest
    Just why do we want/need to be relevant beyond our shores?

    Just why do we want/need to be relevant beyond our shores?

    Amen to that. Minding one’s own business would be a huge improvement over what we’ve been used to.

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  21. While many of the people who came to America had problems with minding their own business, such as the “Puritans,” others understood the concept.

    Even the pre-USA currency expressed the idea. Too bad such wisdom was soon ignored.

    By Benjamin Franklin – en:Image:Continental Currency One-Third-Dollar 17-Feb-76 obv.jpg, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=3118540

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  22. pyrrhus says:

    Pat, the point isn’t civilian casualties. The Neocons couldn’t care less about civilians…The point is that you can’t invade someone who can use nuclear weapons against your forces…..Nor is nuking NK an option, as China would strongly object and allout nuclear war would most likely result….Trump could get China on his side if he demilitarized S.Korea, but the neocons would object to that, so it is a stalemate.

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  23. MEexpert says:
    @anon
    America is its own worst enemy, needlessly creating foes.

    Abraham Lincoln said:

    America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.

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  24. Regarding the “binary choice”: We have the THAAD system in-theatre, the Aegis/RIM161 onboard the Seventh Fleet, and a couple dozen ABM’s based in AK and CA which were installed specifically to meet this threat. It would seem unlikely that the NORKs could defeat this entire net with their first-generation ICBMs. If they launch something we don’t like the looks of, shoot it down.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_High_Altitude_Area_Defense

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-161_Standard_Missile_3

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense

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