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President Donald Trump flew off for his first meeting with Vladimir Putin — with instructions from our foreign policy elite that he get into the Russian president’s face over his hacking in the election of 2016.

Hopefully, Trump will ignore these people. For their record of failure is among the reasons Americans elected him to office.

What president, seeking to repair damaged relations with a rival superpower, would begin by reading from an indictment?

President Eisenhower did not begin his summit with Nikita Khrushchev by berating him for crushing the Hungarian freedom fighters in 1956 — a more grievous crime then hacking the emails of John Podesta.

President Kennedy did not let Russia’s emplacement of missiles in Cuba in 1962 prevent him from offering an olive branch to Moscow in his widely praised American University address of June 1963.

President Nixon, in first meeting Leonid Brezhnev, did not denounce him for extinguishing the Prague Spring. Were Trump to start his first summit with Putin by dressing him down, why meet with him at all?

Trump would do better to explore where we can work together, as in ending Syria’s civil war and averting a new war in Korea.

Moreover, when it comes to interference in the internal politics of other nations to bring about “regime change,” understandably, Putin might see himself as more sinned against than sinning.

Should Trump bring up the email hacking in 2016, Putin could ask him to explain U.S. support for the violent coup d’etat that overthrew a democratically elected pro-Russian government in Ukraine, a land with which Russia has been intimately associated for 1,000 years.

Consider the behavior of post-Cold War America, after Moscow gave up its empire, pulled all its troops out of Europe, let the USSR dissolve into 15 nations and held out a hand in friendship.

We gathered all the Warsaw Pact nations and three former Russian Federation republics into a NATO alliance targeted at Russia. We put troops, ships and bases into the Baltic on the doorstep of St. Petersburg. We bombed Russia’s old ally Serbia for 78 days, forcing it to surrender its birth province of Kosovo.

Among the failings of America’s post-Cold War foreign policy elites are hubris, arrogance and an utter absence of that greatest of gifts that the gods can give us — “to see ourselves as others see us.”

Can we not see why the Russian people, who saw us as friends in the 1990s, no longer do so, and why Putin, a Russia-First nationalist, has an 80 percent approval rating on the issue of standing up for his country?

Looking about the world today, do we really need any more crises or quarrels? Do we not have enough on our plate? As the Buddhist saying goes, “Do not dwell in the past … concentrate the mind on the present moment.”

Americans are rightly angry that Russia hacked the presidential election of 2016. But what was done cannot be undone. And Putin is not going to return Crimea to Kiev, the annexation of which was the most popular action of his long tenure as Russian president.

As D.C.’s immortal Mayor Marion Barry once said to constituents appalled by his latest episode of social misconduct: “Get over it!”

We have other fish to fry.

ORDER IT NOW

In Syria and Iraq, where the ISIS caliphate is in its death rattle, Russia and the U.S. both have a vital interest in avoiding any military collision, and in ending the war. This probably means the U.S. demand that Syrian President Assad be removed will have to be shelved.

Consider China. Asked by Trump to squeeze Pyongyang on its nuclear missile program, China increased trade with North Korea 37 percent in the first quarter. The Chinese are now telling us to stop sailing warships within 13 miles of its militarized islets and reefs in a South China Sea that they claim belongs to them, and demanding that we cancel our $1.4 billion arms sale to Taiwan.

Hong Kong’s 7 million people have been told their democratic rights, secured in Great Britain’s transfer of the island to China, are no longer guaranteed.

Now China is telling us to capitulate to North Korea’s demand for an end to U.S. military maneuvers with South Korea and to remove the THAAD missile system the U.S. has emplaced. And Beijing is imposing sanctions on South Korea for accepting the U.S. missile system.

Meanwhile, the dispute with North Korea is going critical.

If Kim Jong Un is as determined as he appears to be to build an ICBM with a nuclear warhead that can hit Seattle or San Francisco, we will soon be down to either accepting this or exercising a military option that could bring nuclear war.

Trump cannot allow this Beltway obsession with Putin to prevent us from closing, if we can, this breach. If we do not bring Russia back into the West, where do we think she will go?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

 
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  1. Mr Unz the names of your columnists are no longer showing up in my Feedly RSS feed, and its rather annoying.

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    Mr Unz the names of your columnists are no longer showing up in my Feedly RSS feed, and its rather annoying.
     
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  2. While, as is usual, I agree with Mr. Buchanan’s foreign policy views which he again effectively and convincingly expresses, I don’t see why he should bow to political correctness by making a boiler plate acceptance of the discredited Russia hacking story in light of all of the evidence to the contrary including the unexplained murder of Seth Rich and the recent accidental disclosures by CNN executives and pundits that they knew the story was a false one. Trump himself has aptly compared the story to the false “weapons of mass destruction” story used to foment the Iraq war. Bearing in mind that the publisher of the Nazi rag Der Stuermer was convicted of war crimes at Nuremberg in 1946 for propaganda, it seems to me that the present media leaders going on about these provably false stories are themselves guilty of war crimes.

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    • Replies: @Minnesota Mary
    I totally agree with you.
    , @Realist
    ".... I don’t see why he should bow to political correctness by making a boiler plate acceptance of the discredited Russia hacking story...."

    Exactly
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  3. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Hear hear!

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  4. JL says:

    Americans are rightly angry that Russia hacked the presidential election of 2016.

    These Americans, of which you speak, are simply angry that Trump won and are looking for someone to blame because they cannot accept what he stands for to a large portion of the electorate. Foreign powers are of course going to fight, however they can, for the candidate they feel will be the most sympathetic to their interests. For example, Clinton was the preferred candidate for Israel and their efforts showed as much.

    Claiming that the Russians hacked the election, or meddled, or whatever, is an insult to Trump’s supporters and voters. People like Buchanan should choose their words more carefully or they’re just playing into the narrative. Besides, if a foreign country really did manage to subvert the US’ democracy to such an extent, that speaks volumes about the weakness of the US system, not its adversaries’ malicious intents. Finally, to those who follow Russia closely, the idea that it could influence the politics of the world’s most powerful nation, while failing to prevent the rise to power of an explicitly hostile government in its next door neighbor with whom it shares millennia of history, is patently absurd.

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    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    Buchanan has a kneejerk mentality on Russia as the enemy even as he argues for peace and reconciliation.

    The formative and crucial period of his life was defined by the cold war.
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  5. “If Kim Jong Un is as determined as he appears to be to build an ICBM with a nuclear warhead that can hit Seattle or San Francisco, we will soon be down to either accepting this or exercising a military option that could bring nuclear war.”

    Nukes and credible delivery systems are Kim’s insurance policy … he saw what happened to leaders like Saddam and Ghadaffi when the failed to go there.

    “Americans are rightly angry that Russia hacked the presidential election of 2016. But what was done cannot be undone.”

    There is no credible evidence that the Russians “hacked” our 2016 elections, but there is evidence that DHS did. But even if the Russians did, turnabout is fair play. There is credible evidence HRC’s State Department hacked Russian elections in 2012, and there was even a Time Mag cover in the ’90s crowing about American influence on Russian elections back then.

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  6. Ron Unz says:
    @Lemurmaniac
    Mr Unz the names of your columnists are no longer showing up in my Feedly RSS feed, and its rather annoying.

    Mr Unz the names of your columnists are no longer showing up in my Feedly RSS feed, and its rather annoying.

    That’s odd. I don’t use RSS myself, but I don’t see that anything should have changed.

    When was it last working, and when did it stop?

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    it stopped within the last couple of weeks.
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  7. Dwright says:

    My God, what’s with Pat giving credence to this hacking BS now?

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  8. How come that Pat Buchanan repeats the media lies that the Russians hacked US election? So far, this allegation is fact-free. Has he finally succumbed to the constant lies the corporate media are spreading? He is undoubtedly aware of Nazi-Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels saying: “One must only repeat a lie so long until the people believe it as true.” As the first pictures from this G-20-meeting show, Donald Trump was sidelined by Merkel. Autocrats like the Chinese President, Erdogan, and Russias Putin were standing next to her, Donald Trump has sidelined just before French’s Macron. It’s funny that even the US political class regards Merkel as powerful. She is just a Stalinist and a political opportunist who would even sacrifice her loved ones when it would suit her career. The US should not be carried away and blinded by this made-up spin.

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    • Replies: @The True and Original David
    Pat is an old USA conservative. The style of old USA conservatives is agree with the opponent on all essentials of fact and value then remonstrate defensively. Perfect example: "Yes, Putin hacked, but we have bigger fish to fry."

    USA liberals were called "knee-jerkers," that is people whose liberal reaction is so automatic it is brain-free. But old USA conservatives also have their "knee-jerk": this is accepting the opponent's premises then quibbling.

    "You're a racist!" "No, I'm certainly not, I swear."

    "America is sexist!" "We are doing better lately. Salaries for women are showing progress."

    "Putin hacked!" "Yes he did, but there are bigger fish to fry."

    An old USA conservative would consider such replies as "fighting back"; but they are only whiny protests in response to blows.

    The old USA conservative style is dated and being replaced by styles more adversarial. Pat the man is a decent guy and I wish him well.

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  9. nickels says:

    Trump and his ‘Russia should stop destabilizing Ukraine.’
    Our entire government is nothing but a bunch of clowns standing in facade for the corprofacists pulling the strings.
    I am truly disgusted with this country.

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    • Replies: @Realist
    "I am truly disgusted with this country."

    Rightly so.
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  10. I have always respected Pat Buchanan. But it’s time to take away his car keys. The Russians did not hack Podesta. The Podesta files were leaked. Who killed Seth Rich?

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    Yes, that's an odd phrase, particularly as Mr. Buchanan has expressed incredulity at this sort of accusation in the past. Perhaps he simply means that Americans' anger at Russia (which I think he exaggerates; he seems to still believe the media have some actual contact with America) is justified based on their beliefs?
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  11. Rurik says: • Website

    Were Trump to start his first summit with Putin by dressing him down, why meet with him at all?

    exactly!

    they should not be allowed to meet, and if they are, it must be an orchestrated event, choreographed to ensure that these two alpha male rulers, with nationalistic tendencies see each other as mutually incompatible enemies.

    Let’s be honest, Trump and Putin are straight, women-loving white guys! Can you imagine the implications of two white men who actually are not zio-stooges running the world?!!!

    it could be a catastrophe! These are the most powerful men on the planet, and they’re both white, Christian-type of men, who are not zio-poodles. And they both seem to posses nationalistic sympathies and actually have a fondness for their nation’s histories and heritage and worst of all, (racist, anti-Semitic) people!

    we need a war between these men and their nations! Russia and the West need to wipe each other out, not get along!!! for god’s sake!!!!! Oy veh!

    the U.S. demand that Syrian President Assad be removed will have to be shelved.

    ahh, I see!

    so six million wasn’t enough for you, eh Pat? You won’t be satisfied until Israel has its land carved away, and forced to hand over the Golan Heights to its enemies. Why don’t you just put your swastika band on and end the pretense. Allowing Assad to stay means that Israel might not be able to steal the Golan Heights, and that is nothing less than a Holocaust redux!

    Sieg Heil. Herr Buchanan!

    If we do not bring Russia back into the West, where do we think she will go?

    the irony is that Russia today is far more expressive of the ancient values of the West than the zio-West of Merkel’s Germany and Islamic France. Let along the home of Hollywood spiritual sewage spilling out of the ZUSA.

    If I were the average Russian (or Ukrainian or Pole or German, et al), I’d be far more comfortable with aligning culturally with Putin’s Russia than with the “West” of Hollywood and the kosher EU.

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    • Replies: @FLgeezer
    >so six million wasn’t enough for you, eh Pat? You won’t be satisfied until Israel has its land carved away, and forced to hand over the Golan Heights to its enemies. Why don’t you just put your swastika band on and end the pretense. Allowing Assad to stay means that Israel might not be able to steal the Golan Heights, and that is nothing less than the Holocaust redux!

    Great post Rurik. You are the master of exaggeration. 8-)
    , @Wally
    Typical unhinged Zionist stuff:

    "ahh, I see!
    so six million wasn’t enough for you, eh Pat? You won’t be satisfied until Israel has its land carved away, and forced to hand over the Golan Heights to its enemies. Why don’t you just put your swastika band on and end the pretense."

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are laughable, scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    ‘Antisemitism’:
    a logical reaction to the thievery, violence, destruction, and hate that is perpetrated and advocated by Jewish supremacists
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  12. FLgeezer says:
    @Rurik

    Were Trump to start his first summit with Putin by dressing him down, why meet with him at all?
     
    exactly!

    they should not be allowed to meet, and if they are, it must be an orchestrated event, choreographed to ensure that these two alpha male rulers, with nationalistic tendencies see each other as mutually incompatible enemies.

    Let's be honest, Trump and Putin are straight, women-loving white guys! Can you imagine the implications of two white men who actually are not zio-stooges running the world?!!!

    it could be a catastrophe! These are the most powerful men on the planet, and they're both white, Christian-type of men, who are not zio-poodles. And they both seem to posses nationalistic sympathies and actually have a fondness for their nation's histories and heritage and worst of all, (racist, anti-Semitic) people!

    we need a war between these men and their nations! Russia and the West need to wipe each other out, not get along!!! for god's sake!!!!! Oy veh!


    the U.S. demand that Syrian President Assad be removed will have to be shelved.

     

    ahh, I see!

    so six million wasn't enough for you, eh Pat? You won't be satisfied until Israel has its land carved away, and forced to hand over the Golan Heights to its enemies. Why don't you just put your swastika band on and end the pretense. Allowing Assad to stay means that Israel might not be able to steal the Golan Heights, and that is nothing less than a Holocaust redux!

    Sieg Heil. Herr Buchanan!


    If we do not bring Russia back into the West, where do we think she will go?
     
    the irony is that Russia today is far more expressive of the ancient values of the West than the zio-West of Merkel's Germany and Islamic France. Let along the home of Hollywood spiritual sewage spilling out of the ZUSA.

    If I were the average Russian (or Ukrainian or Pole or German, et al), I'd be far more comfortable with aligning culturally with Putin's Russia than with the "West" of Hollywood and the kosher EU.

    >so six million wasn’t enough for you, eh Pat? You won’t be satisfied until Israel has its land carved away, and forced to hand over the Golan Heights to its enemies. Why don’t you just put your swastika band on and end the pretense. Allowing Assad to stay means that Israel might not be able to steal the Golan Heights, and that is nothing less than the Holocaust redux!

    Great post Rurik. You are the master of exaggeration. 8-)

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  13. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @WorkingClass
    I have always respected Pat Buchanan. But it's time to take away his car keys. The Russians did not hack Podesta. The Podesta files were leaked. Who killed Seth Rich?

    Yes, that’s an odd phrase, particularly as Mr. Buchanan has expressed incredulity at this sort of accusation in the past. Perhaps he simply means that Americans’ anger at Russia (which I think he exaggerates; he seems to still believe the media have some actual contact with America) is justified based on their beliefs?

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  14. @exiled off mainstreet
    While, as is usual, I agree with Mr. Buchanan's foreign policy views which he again effectively and convincingly expresses, I don't see why he should bow to political correctness by making a boiler plate acceptance of the discredited Russia hacking story in light of all of the evidence to the contrary including the unexplained murder of Seth Rich and the recent accidental disclosures by CNN executives and pundits that they knew the story was a false one. Trump himself has aptly compared the story to the false "weapons of mass destruction" story used to foment the Iraq war. Bearing in mind that the publisher of the Nazi rag Der Stuermer was convicted of war crimes at Nuremberg in 1946 for propaganda, it seems to me that the present media leaders going on about these provably false stories are themselves guilty of war crimes.

    I totally agree with you.

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  15. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Diplomacy is a long process of many small steps.

    Perhaps Trump could convince Putin to use some influence on Xi to persuade Kim to target only San Francisco, and not San Francisco AND Seattle.

    That would clear up — or wipe out, as case may be — the anomaly whereby Clinton- won- the- popular- vote- but- Russia- hacked the- election- for- Trump.

    Everybody goes home with something.
    win-win.

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  16. If we do not bring Russia back into the West, where do we think she will go?

    Something tells me that this ship sailed long time ago. Namely in 2014.

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  17. Wally says:

    “Americans are rightly angry that Russia hacked the presidential election of 2016.”

    What hacking?

    Proof?

    None.

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  18. Wally says: • Website
    @Rurik

    Were Trump to start his first summit with Putin by dressing him down, why meet with him at all?
     
    exactly!

    they should not be allowed to meet, and if they are, it must be an orchestrated event, choreographed to ensure that these two alpha male rulers, with nationalistic tendencies see each other as mutually incompatible enemies.

    Let's be honest, Trump and Putin are straight, women-loving white guys! Can you imagine the implications of two white men who actually are not zio-stooges running the world?!!!

    it could be a catastrophe! These are the most powerful men on the planet, and they're both white, Christian-type of men, who are not zio-poodles. And they both seem to posses nationalistic sympathies and actually have a fondness for their nation's histories and heritage and worst of all, (racist, anti-Semitic) people!

    we need a war between these men and their nations! Russia and the West need to wipe each other out, not get along!!! for god's sake!!!!! Oy veh!


    the U.S. demand that Syrian President Assad be removed will have to be shelved.

     

    ahh, I see!

    so six million wasn't enough for you, eh Pat? You won't be satisfied until Israel has its land carved away, and forced to hand over the Golan Heights to its enemies. Why don't you just put your swastika band on and end the pretense. Allowing Assad to stay means that Israel might not be able to steal the Golan Heights, and that is nothing less than a Holocaust redux!

    Sieg Heil. Herr Buchanan!


    If we do not bring Russia back into the West, where do we think she will go?
     
    the irony is that Russia today is far more expressive of the ancient values of the West than the zio-West of Merkel's Germany and Islamic France. Let along the home of Hollywood spiritual sewage spilling out of the ZUSA.

    If I were the average Russian (or Ukrainian or Pole or German, et al), I'd be far more comfortable with aligning culturally with Putin's Russia than with the "West" of Hollywood and the kosher EU.

    Typical unhinged Zionist stuff:

    “ahh, I see!
    so six million wasn’t enough for you, eh Pat? You won’t be satisfied until Israel has its land carved away, and forced to hand over the Golan Heights to its enemies. Why don’t you just put your swastika band on and end the pretense.”

    [MORE]

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are laughable, scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    ‘Antisemitism’:
    a logical reaction to the thievery, violence, destruction, and hate that is perpetrated and advocated by Jewish supremacists

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    He agrees with you, you moron.
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  19. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    Typical unhinged Zionist stuff:

    "ahh, I see!
    so six million wasn’t enough for you, eh Pat? You won’t be satisfied until Israel has its land carved away, and forced to hand over the Golan Heights to its enemies. Why don’t you just put your swastika band on and end the pretense."

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are laughable, scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    ‘Antisemitism’:
    a logical reaction to the thievery, violence, destruction, and hate that is perpetrated and advocated by Jewish supremacists

    He agrees with you, you moron.

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  20. What’s with Paddy?

    In an otherwise flawless piece, he has to ruin it with the claptrap about the fairy tale “hacking.”

    Maybe an editor would be in order…

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  21. MarkinLA says:

    Americans are rightly angry that Russia hacked the presidential election of 2016.

    Et Tu Pat? Pat, you are never going to get a network gig again no matter how much sphincter you lick. You know this is bogus.

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    NYT Finally Retracts Russia-gate Canard

    The New York Times has finally admitted that one of the favorite Russia-gate canards – that all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies concurred on the assessment of Russian hacking of Democratic emails – is false.

    On Thursday, the Times appended a correction to a June 25 article that had repeated the false claim, which has been used by Democrats and the mainstream media for months to brush aside any doubts about the foundation of the Russia-gate scandal and portray President Trump as delusional for doubting what all 17 intelligence agencies supposedly knew to be true.

    However, on Thursday, the Times – while leaving most of Haberman’s ridicule of Trump in place – noted in a correction that the relevant intelligence “assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.”
     

    Of these the Office of the Director of National Intelligence is not an independent intelligence-gathering organization, so that leaves three. Plus, this seems to have been a project run by a handpicked (read: politicized) group of analysts selected from the three agencies instead of independent analysts from three institutions reaching the same conclusion, we actually have just "one group of like-minded people..."
    , @Avery
    {.... no matter how much sphincter you lick.}

    Brutal dude, brutal.

    (.....well, I guess Pat asked for it: regurgitating unadulterated B____S____, to presumably appear 'balanced'.).
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  22. El Dato says:
    @MarkinLA
    Americans are rightly angry that Russia hacked the presidential election of 2016.

    Et Tu Pat? Pat, you are never going to get a network gig again no matter how much sphincter you lick. You know this is bogus.

    NYT Finally Retracts Russia-gate Canard

    The New York Times has finally admitted that one of the favorite Russia-gate canards – that all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies concurred on the assessment of Russian hacking of Democratic emails – is false.

    On Thursday, the Times appended a correction to a June 25 article that had repeated the false claim, which has been used by Democrats and the mainstream media for months to brush aside any doubts about the foundation of the Russia-gate scandal and portray President Trump as delusional for doubting what all 17 intelligence agencies supposedly knew to be true.

    However, on Thursday, the Times – while leaving most of Haberman’s ridicule of Trump in place – noted in a correction that the relevant intelligence “assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.”

    Of these the Office of the Director of National Intelligence is not an independent intelligence-gathering organization, so that leaves three. Plus, this seems to have been a project run by a handpicked (read: politicized) group of analysts selected from the three agencies instead of independent analysts from three institutions reaching the same conclusion, we actually have just “one group of like-minded people…”

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Of these the Office of the Director of National Intelligence is not an independent intelligence-gathering organization, so that leaves three. Plus, this seems to have been a project run by a handpicked (read: politicized) group of analysts selected from the three agencies instead of independent analysts from three institutions reaching the same conclusion, we actually have just “one group of like-minded people…”
     
    What few Americans know about is the close relationship that has been formed between the FBI and CIA. Especially since 9/11. There are many covert sites throughout the U.S. where FBI and CIA share offices and are work colleagues. They even socialize together. For all the concerns about stove-piping of intelligence, IMO it is more worrisome that CIA (and U.S. military SOC) conducts domestic operations and spying and uses its joint operations relationship with the FBI to make it all kosher or at least technically legal.
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  23. KenH says:

    I’ll echo other posters about Pat’s mention of the so called “Russian hacking” of the 2016 presidential election. I don’t know if Pat truly believes that or if he’s throwing the loony left and neo-cons a bone on this for the appearance of objectivity and non-partisanship and/or to gain more appearances on FOX, but the claim has largely been exposed for the fraud that it is.

    Let’s make no mistake that neo-conservatism, liberal interventionism, Israelphilia and Russophobia rule Washington, D.C. with an iron fist. Any elected leaders who don’t play ball quickly find themselves marginalized and under attack. Either Trump was playing us during the campaign with his calls for warmer relations with Russia and a more humble foreign policy or he saw the writing on the wall after taking office and surrendered without a fight.

    I think Trump’s loyalty to Israel trumps his loyalty to American first principles and that’s not good.

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    "Hacked the election" is a weasel phrase. You can go to shitlib sites and plenty of them think that Putin changed votes by hacking voting machines. Of course, this hasn't been alleged, let alone proved. The dishonest pundits using that phrase can claim they meant that Putin hacked the DNC emails. There's also no evidence for this, but it's hard to prove or disprove (but given that Podesta fell for a phishing scam, it could have been done by a 15 year old anywhere in the world). The only thing they can credibly claim is that Russia "interfered" in the US elections by their state media posting articles that the CIA disagrees with.

    So the claim "Russia hacked the election" boils down to RT posting some stories online unflattering to Hillary. Why is Buchanan participating in this dishonest shell game?
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  24. @JL

    Americans are rightly angry that Russia hacked the presidential election of 2016.
     
    These Americans, of which you speak, are simply angry that Trump won and are looking for someone to blame because they cannot accept what he stands for to a large portion of the electorate. Foreign powers are of course going to fight, however they can, for the candidate they feel will be the most sympathetic to their interests. For example, Clinton was the preferred candidate for Israel and their efforts showed as much.

    Claiming that the Russians hacked the election, or meddled, or whatever, is an insult to Trump's supporters and voters. People like Buchanan should choose their words more carefully or they're just playing into the narrative. Besides, if a foreign country really did manage to subvert the US' democracy to such an extent, that speaks volumes about the weakness of the US system, not its adversaries' malicious intents. Finally, to those who follow Russia closely, the idea that it could influence the politics of the world's most powerful nation, while failing to prevent the rise to power of an explicitly hostile government in its next door neighbor with whom it shares millennia of history, is patently absurd.

    Buchanan has a kneejerk mentality on Russia as the enemy even as he argues for peace and reconciliation.

    The formative and crucial period of his life was defined by the cold war.

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  25. Paddy seems to take it as given that Russia hacked Podesta, despite the utter lack of evidence.

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  26. the raven says:
    @KenH
    I'll echo other posters about Pat's mention of the so called "Russian hacking" of the 2016 presidential election. I don't know if Pat truly believes that or if he's throwing the loony left and neo-cons a bone on this for the appearance of objectivity and non-partisanship and/or to gain more appearances on FOX, but the claim has largely been exposed for the fraud that it is.

    Let's make no mistake that neo-conservatism, liberal interventionism, Israelphilia and Russophobia rule Washington, D.C. with an iron fist. Any elected leaders who don't play ball quickly find themselves marginalized and under attack. Either Trump was playing us during the campaign with his calls for warmer relations with Russia and a more humble foreign policy or he saw the writing on the wall after taking office and surrendered without a fight.

    I think Trump's loyalty to Israel trumps his loyalty to American first principles and that's not good.

    “Hacked the election” is a weasel phrase. You can go to shitlib sites and plenty of them think that Putin changed votes by hacking voting machines. Of course, this hasn’t been alleged, let alone proved. The dishonest pundits using that phrase can claim they meant that Putin hacked the DNC emails. There’s also no evidence for this, but it’s hard to prove or disprove (but given that Podesta fell for a phishing scam, it could have been done by a 15 year old anywhere in the world). The only thing they can credibly claim is that Russia “interfered” in the US elections by their state media posting articles that the CIA disagrees with.

    So the claim “Russia hacked the election” boils down to RT posting some stories online unflattering to Hillary. Why is Buchanan participating in this dishonest shell game?

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  27. Don Bacon says:

    from the web–
    No, The Russians Did Not Meddle in Our Election by Publius Tacitus
    . . .Let’s begin with the continued refusal of the DNC to allow DHS or FBI to examine the computer/computers of the DNC where the alleged hack supposed took place. Instead of insisting that the FBI examine their computers, the DNC turned to a private organization–CrowdStrike.
    It was CrowdStrike that uncovered the “Russian hacking” of the DNC, and when the DNC refused to allow the FBI access to their servers to see the evidence for themselves, it was CrowdStrike that told the FBI that it was the Russians.
    Here’s the problem with this: CrowdStrike’s reputation is currently unraveling. Why? It seems that CrowdStrike is as politically motivated as everyone else in Washington, D.C. The company is itself an opponent of Vladimir Putin and Russia and was recently caught fabricating a report that attempted to blame Russian hacking for problems with Urkainian military technology. . .

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/07/no-the-russians-did-not-meddle-in-our-election-by-publius-tacitus.html

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  28. fuzzy says:

    Hacked the election? How exactly? Go talk to Mr. Binney about it.

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  29. Avery says:
    @MarkinLA
    Americans are rightly angry that Russia hacked the presidential election of 2016.

    Et Tu Pat? Pat, you are never going to get a network gig again no matter how much sphincter you lick. You know this is bogus.

    {…. no matter how much sphincter you lick.}

    Brutal dude, brutal.

    (…..well, I guess Pat asked for it: regurgitating unadulterated B____S____, to presumably appear ‘balanced’.).

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    Yeah, after the editing time elapsed I thought that maybe the vulgarity was too much. However, whenever I think of somebody being a boot-lick, I also have thoughts of a dominatrix and her pet. Not that I have ever been one, but in the few art-flicks I have seen, such activity seems to be quite popular with the dominatrix crowd.
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  31. @Ludwig Watzal
    How come that Pat Buchanan repeats the media lies that the Russians hacked US election? So far, this allegation is fact-free. Has he finally succumbed to the constant lies the corporate media are spreading? He is undoubtedly aware of Nazi-Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels saying: "One must only repeat a lie so long until the people believe it as true." As the first pictures from this G-20-meeting show, Donald Trump was sidelined by Merkel. Autocrats like the Chinese President, Erdogan, and Russias Putin were standing next to her, Donald Trump has sidelined just before French's Macron. It's funny that even the US political class regards Merkel as powerful. She is just a Stalinist and a political opportunist who would even sacrifice her loved ones when it would suit her career. The US should not be carried away and blinded by this made-up spin.

    Pat is an old USA conservative. The style of old USA conservatives is agree with the opponent on all essentials of fact and value then remonstrate defensively. Perfect example: “Yes, Putin hacked, but we have bigger fish to fry.”

    USA liberals were called “knee-jerkers,” that is people whose liberal reaction is so automatic it is brain-free. But old USA conservatives also have their “knee-jerk”: this is accepting the opponent’s premises then quibbling.

    “You’re a racist!” “No, I’m certainly not, I swear.”

    “America is sexist!” “We are doing better lately. Salaries for women are showing progress.”

    “Putin hacked!” “Yes he did, but there are bigger fish to fry.”

    An old USA conservative would consider such replies as “fighting back”; but they are only whiny protests in response to blows.

    The old USA conservative style is dated and being replaced by styles more adversarial. Pat the man is a decent guy and I wish him well.

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  32. Mr. Hack says:

    Should Trump bring up the email hacking in 2016, Putin could ask him to explain U.S. support for the violent coup d’etat that overthrew a democratically elected pro-Russian government in Ukraine, a land with which Russia has been intimately associated for 1,000 years.

    Buchanan here exhibits his supericial knowledge of Ukrainian/Russian history. Large swaths of Ukrainian territory never were under Russian hegemony until the middle part of the 20th century, but were part and and parcel of other European states including the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Hapsburg Empire. Also, insinuating that Trump need to cower in front of Putin during a hypothetical question and answer series regarding some sort of U.S. directed plot against Russia in Ukraine is also based on fluff and inuendo, and he should know better. Any ‘cookies and milk’ support offered to Ukrainian patriots who paid for their new found freedom by sacrificing their lives came long after altercations had already started on the Maidan. American ingenuity could not have created a protest movement of this scope and magnitude, and Buchanan should know better:

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  33. Realist says:

    “Americans are rightly angry that Russia hacked the presidential election of 2016.”

    Pat,

    You are just echoing and lending credence to the news media, including Fox News as well as the power elite. This is not the first time you have done this.
    I fail to understand why anyone would believe anything the security(spy) agencies promote. They are incessant liars, as is most of our government. People should never take anything our government says at face value….always demand proof.

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  34. Realist says:
    @exiled off mainstreet
    While, as is usual, I agree with Mr. Buchanan's foreign policy views which he again effectively and convincingly expresses, I don't see why he should bow to political correctness by making a boiler plate acceptance of the discredited Russia hacking story in light of all of the evidence to the contrary including the unexplained murder of Seth Rich and the recent accidental disclosures by CNN executives and pundits that they knew the story was a false one. Trump himself has aptly compared the story to the false "weapons of mass destruction" story used to foment the Iraq war. Bearing in mind that the publisher of the Nazi rag Der Stuermer was convicted of war crimes at Nuremberg in 1946 for propaganda, it seems to me that the present media leaders going on about these provably false stories are themselves guilty of war crimes.

    “…. I don’t see why he should bow to political correctness by making a boiler plate acceptance of the discredited Russia hacking story….”

    Exactly

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  35. Realist says:
    @nickels
    Trump and his 'Russia should stop destabilizing Ukraine.'
    Our entire government is nothing but a bunch of clowns standing in facade for the corprofacists pulling the strings.
    I am truly disgusted with this country.

    “I am truly disgusted with this country.”

    Rightly so.

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  36. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Do we really need 25 commenters saying much the same thing, when it is perfectly obvious what Mr. Buchanan thinks of the whole issue? (see https://www.google.com/search?q=gutenberg+oddsfish&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=russia+hacking+site:buchanan.org)

    So why the wording in this particular essay? I don’t know; I would appreciate, I guess, if any of the more curious commenters would write Mr. Buchanan and ask him, in which case they can post his replies if he doesn’t request them not to. I gave my best attempt at a plausible explanation in comment #13, which pretty much exhausts my active interest in the subject.

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    "Do we really need 25 commenters saying much the same thing, when it is perfectly obvious what Mr. Buchanan thinks of the whole issue?"

    Yes it lets Buchanan know there are a number who feel the same way....pretty simple concept.
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  37. El Dato says:

    Meanwhile, Nikki Haley is off her meds again:

    https://www.rt.com/usa/395814-us-trust-russia-haley/

    “Everyone” knows Russia not only interfered in the US’ 2016 elections, but that it also continues to do so “across multiple continents,” US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley said in an interview with CNN, adding that “the US won’t ever trust Russia.”

    “Everybody knows that Russia meddled in our elections. Everybody knows that they’re not just meddling in the United States’ election. They’re doing this across multiple continents, and they’re doing this in a way that they’re trying to cause chaos within the countries,” Haley told CNN’s State of the Union show.

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  38. Realist says:
    @Anon
    Do we really need 25 commenters saying much the same thing, when it is perfectly obvious what Mr. Buchanan thinks of the whole issue? (see https://www.google.com/search?q=gutenberg+oddsfish&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=russia+hacking+site:buchanan.org)

    So why the wording in this particular essay? I don't know; I would appreciate, I guess, if any of the more curious commenters would write Mr. Buchanan and ask him, in which case they can post his replies if he doesn't request them not to. I gave my best attempt at a plausible explanation in comment #13, which pretty much exhausts my active interest in the subject.

    “Do we really need 25 commenters saying much the same thing, when it is perfectly obvious what Mr. Buchanan thinks of the whole issue?”

    Yes it lets Buchanan know there are a number who feel the same way….pretty simple concept.

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    I don't think Mr. Buchanan reads comments here. If you want to let him know how you think about his columns, you should write him, as I suggested.
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  39. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @El Dato
    NYT Finally Retracts Russia-gate Canard

    The New York Times has finally admitted that one of the favorite Russia-gate canards – that all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies concurred on the assessment of Russian hacking of Democratic emails – is false.

    On Thursday, the Times appended a correction to a June 25 article that had repeated the false claim, which has been used by Democrats and the mainstream media for months to brush aside any doubts about the foundation of the Russia-gate scandal and portray President Trump as delusional for doubting what all 17 intelligence agencies supposedly knew to be true.

    However, on Thursday, the Times – while leaving most of Haberman’s ridicule of Trump in place – noted in a correction that the relevant intelligence “assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.”
     

    Of these the Office of the Director of National Intelligence is not an independent intelligence-gathering organization, so that leaves three. Plus, this seems to have been a project run by a handpicked (read: politicized) group of analysts selected from the three agencies instead of independent analysts from three institutions reaching the same conclusion, we actually have just "one group of like-minded people..."

    Of these the Office of the Director of National Intelligence is not an independent intelligence-gathering organization, so that leaves three. Plus, this seems to have been a project run by a handpicked (read: politicized) group of analysts selected from the three agencies instead of independent analysts from three institutions reaching the same conclusion, we actually have just “one group of like-minded people…”

    What few Americans know about is the close relationship that has been formed between the FBI and CIA. Especially since 9/11. There are many covert sites throughout the U.S. where FBI and CIA share offices and are work colleagues. They even socialize together. For all the concerns about stove-piping of intelligence, IMO it is more worrisome that CIA (and U.S. military SOC) conducts domestic operations and spying and uses its joint operations relationship with the FBI to make it all kosher or at least technically legal.

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    Oh this has been going on long before 9-11, probably back into the 60's, I was reading sometime ago that every large police force in the country have members who are involved in the C.I.A., and routinely go for training and so on, what we are living in is a soft police state and when the financial system heads south it will turn hard soon enough..
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  40. bluedog says:
    @Anonymous

    Of these the Office of the Director of National Intelligence is not an independent intelligence-gathering organization, so that leaves three. Plus, this seems to have been a project run by a handpicked (read: politicized) group of analysts selected from the three agencies instead of independent analysts from three institutions reaching the same conclusion, we actually have just “one group of like-minded people…”
     
    What few Americans know about is the close relationship that has been formed between the FBI and CIA. Especially since 9/11. There are many covert sites throughout the U.S. where FBI and CIA share offices and are work colleagues. They even socialize together. For all the concerns about stove-piping of intelligence, IMO it is more worrisome that CIA (and U.S. military SOC) conducts domestic operations and spying and uses its joint operations relationship with the FBI to make it all kosher or at least technically legal.

    Oh this has been going on long before 9-11, probably back into the 60′s, I was reading sometime ago that every large police force in the country have members who are involved in the C.I.A., and routinely go for training and so on, what we are living in is a soft police state and when the financial system heads south it will turn hard soon enough..

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  41. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Realist
    "Do we really need 25 commenters saying much the same thing, when it is perfectly obvious what Mr. Buchanan thinks of the whole issue?"

    Yes it lets Buchanan know there are a number who feel the same way....pretty simple concept.

    I don’t think Mr. Buchanan reads comments here. If you want to let him know how you think about his columns, you should write him, as I suggested.

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  42. Realist says:

    “I don’t think Mr. Buchanan reads comments here.”

    Then Buchanan is like PCR and doesn’t care to see responses from his readers. That is elitist.
    Their opinion is not sacrosanct. They both write the same stuff over and over. It is time I stop reading Buchanan’s offerings.

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    No, he is a busy man who gets syndicated in a lot of places (including this), hence why he has a secretary to deal with something old-fashioned called "mail", or yet more old-fashioned called "e-mail", which he asks people to send him who have intelligent things to say about his columns and don't mind putting in the thirty seconds required to find the "contact" page on his website.
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  43. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Realist
    "I don’t think Mr. Buchanan reads comments here."

    Then Buchanan is like PCR and doesn't care to see responses from his readers. That is elitist.
    Their opinion is not sacrosanct. They both write the same stuff over and over. It is time I stop reading Buchanan's offerings.

    No, he is a busy man who gets syndicated in a lot of places (including this), hence why he has a secretary to deal with something old-fashioned called “mail”, or yet more old-fashioned called “e-mail”, which he asks people to send him who have intelligent things to say about his columns and don’t mind putting in the thirty seconds required to find the “contact” page on his website.

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    It won't matter - back in the days before e-mail I took the time to send him a letter reminding him of Reagan's role in NAFTA and illegal immigration. I never got a response.

    Posting the same thing isn't for Buchanan, it is as somebody else already said, telling the rest of the world that there are a lot of people sick of doing things the old way like Buchanan does.
    , @Realist
    Yeah I'm busy too. I don't have time to read his repetitive posts.
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  44. MarkinLA says:
    @Avery
    {.... no matter how much sphincter you lick.}

    Brutal dude, brutal.

    (.....well, I guess Pat asked for it: regurgitating unadulterated B____S____, to presumably appear 'balanced'.).

    Yeah, after the editing time elapsed I thought that maybe the vulgarity was too much. However, whenever I think of somebody being a boot-lick, I also have thoughts of a dominatrix and her pet. Not that I have ever been one, but in the few art-flicks I have seen, such activity seems to be quite popular with the dominatrix crowd.

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  45. MarkinLA says:
    @Anon
    No, he is a busy man who gets syndicated in a lot of places (including this), hence why he has a secretary to deal with something old-fashioned called "mail", or yet more old-fashioned called "e-mail", which he asks people to send him who have intelligent things to say about his columns and don't mind putting in the thirty seconds required to find the "contact" page on his website.

    It won’t matter – back in the days before e-mail I took the time to send him a letter reminding him of Reagan’s role in NAFTA and illegal immigration. I never got a response.

    Posting the same thing isn’t for Buchanan, it is as somebody else already said, telling the rest of the world that there are a lot of people sick of doing things the old way like Buchanan does.

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    That's a shame. Oh well, I guess it makes sense to vent in the comment section. But, really, the innumerable identical posts are why Mr. Unz set up an "Agree" button; so unless a poster has some clever way to put things this is a good thing to use.

    To Sr. Realist (#46): But you do have time enough to gripe equally repetitively about the one sentence which rouses your ire*? Do you also expect the President** to read all the responses to his tweets?

    *I'm sorry, this is the natural response. It's not intended as an insult.
    **Better comparison: did you when he was a candidate?

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  46. Realist says:
    @Anon
    No, he is a busy man who gets syndicated in a lot of places (including this), hence why he has a secretary to deal with something old-fashioned called "mail", or yet more old-fashioned called "e-mail", which he asks people to send him who have intelligent things to say about his columns and don't mind putting in the thirty seconds required to find the "contact" page on his website.

    Yeah I’m busy too. I don’t have time to read his repetitive posts.

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  47. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @MarkinLA
    It won't matter - back in the days before e-mail I took the time to send him a letter reminding him of Reagan's role in NAFTA and illegal immigration. I never got a response.

    Posting the same thing isn't for Buchanan, it is as somebody else already said, telling the rest of the world that there are a lot of people sick of doing things the old way like Buchanan does.

    That’s a shame. Oh well, I guess it makes sense to vent in the comment section. But, really, the innumerable identical posts are why Mr. Unz set up an “Agree” button; so unless a poster has some clever way to put things this is a good thing to use.

    To Sr. Realist (#46): But you do have time enough to gripe equally repetitively about the one sentence which rouses your ire*? Do you also expect the President** to read all the responses to his tweets?

    *I’m sorry, this is the natural response. It’s not intended as an insult.
    **Better comparison: did you when he was a candidate?

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    I'll add, too, that I have no real knowledge of whether or not Mr. Buchanan reads the comments on Unz.com; he may do so every day before breakfast so far as I know, but my impression for various reasons was otherwise. So please don't base any actions on it. Whether he does so or not, I much doubt it's from any feeling of being better in some way than his readers, but, again, you'd have to ask him.

    Personally I've found the Unz boards more than a little grating lately, but maybe that's just me.
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  48. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    That's a shame. Oh well, I guess it makes sense to vent in the comment section. But, really, the innumerable identical posts are why Mr. Unz set up an "Agree" button; so unless a poster has some clever way to put things this is a good thing to use.

    To Sr. Realist (#46): But you do have time enough to gripe equally repetitively about the one sentence which rouses your ire*? Do you also expect the President** to read all the responses to his tweets?

    *I'm sorry, this is the natural response. It's not intended as an insult.
    **Better comparison: did you when he was a candidate?

    I’ll add, too, that I have no real knowledge of whether or not Mr. Buchanan reads the comments on Unz.com; he may do so every day before breakfast so far as I know, but my impression for various reasons was otherwise. So please don’t base any actions on it. Whether he does so or not, I much doubt it’s from any feeling of being better in some way than his readers, but, again, you’d have to ask him.

    Personally I’ve found the Unz boards more than a little grating lately, but maybe that’s just me.

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  49. @Ron Unz

    Mr Unz the names of your columnists are no longer showing up in my Feedly RSS feed, and its rather annoying.
     
    That's odd. I don't use RSS myself, but I don't see that anything should have changed.

    When was it last working, and when did it stop?

    it stopped within the last couple of weeks.

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