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If Donald Trump does not wish to collaborate in the destruction of his presidency, he will refuse to be questioned by the FBI, or by a grand jury, or by Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his malevolent minions.

Should Mueller subpoena him, as he has threatened to do, Trump should ignore the subpoena, and frame it for viewing in Trump Tower.

If Mueller goes to the Supreme Court and wins an order for Trump to comply and testify to a grand jury, Trump should defy the court.

The only institution that is empowered to prosecute a president is Congress. If charges against Trump are to be brought, this is the arena, this is the forum, where the battle should be fought and the fate and future of the Trump presidency decided.

The goal of Mueller’s prosecutors is to take down Trump on the cheap. If they can get him behind closed doors and make him respond in detail to questions — to which they already know the answers — any misstep by Trump could be converted into a perjury charge.

Trump has to score 100 on a test to which Mueller’s team has all the answers in advance while Trump must rely upon memory.

Why take this risk?

By now, witnesses have testified in ways that contradict what Trump has said. This, plus Trump’s impulsiveness, propensity to exaggerate, and often rash responses to hostile questions, would make him easy prey for the perjury traps prosecutors set up when they cannot convict their targets on the evidence.

Mueller and his team are the ones who need this interrogation.

For, after almost two years, their Russiagate investigation has produced no conclusive proof of the foundational charge — that Trump’s team colluded with Vladimir Putin’s Russia to hack and thieve the emails of the Clinton campaign and DNC.

Having failed, Mueller & Co. now seek to prove that, even if Trump did not collude with the Russians, he interfered with their investigation.

How did Trump obstruct justice?

Did he suggest that fired NSC Advisor Gen. Mike Flynn might get a pardon? What was his motive in firing FBI Director James Comey? Did Trump edit the Air Force One explanation of the meeting in June 2016 between his campaign officials and Russians? Did he pressure Attorney General Jeff Sessions to fire Mueller?

Mueller’s problem: These questions and more have all been aired and argued endlessly in the public square. Yet no national consensus has formed that Trump committed an offense to justify his removal. Even Democrats are backing away from talk of impeachment.

Trump’s lawyers should tell Mueller to wrap up his work, as Trump will not be testifying, no matter what subpoena he draws up, or what the courts say he must do. And if Congress threatens impeachment for defying a court order, Trump should tell them: Impeach me and be damned.

Will a new Congress impeach and convict an elected president?

An impeachment battle would become a titanic struggle between a capital that detests Trump and a vast slice of Middle America that voted to repudiate that capital’s elite, trusts Trump, and will stand by him to the end.

And in any impeachment debate before Congress and the cameras of the world, not one but two narratives will be heard.

The first is that Trump colluded with the Russians to defeat Hillary Clinton and then sought to obstruct an investigation of his collusion.

ORDER IT NOW

The second is the story of how an FBI cabal went into the tank on an investigation of Clinton to save her campaign. Then it used the product of a Clinton-DNC dirt-diving operation, created by a British spy with Russian contacts, to attempt to destroy the Trump candidacy. Now, failing that, it’s looking to overthrow the elected president of the United States.

In short, the second narrative is that the “deep state” and its media auxiliaries are colluding to overturn the results of the 2016 election.

Unlike Watergate, with Russiagate, the investigators will be on trial as well.

Trump needs to shift the struggle out of the legal arena, where Mueller and his men have superior weapons, and into the political arena, where he can bring his populous forces to bear in the decision as to his fate.

This is the terrain on which Trump can win — an us-vs-them fight, before Congress and country, where not only the alleged crimes of Trump are aired but also the actual crimes committed to destroy him and to overturn his victory.

Trump is a nationalist who puts America first both in trade and securing her frontiers against an historic invasion from the South. If he is overthrown, and the agenda for which America voted is trashed as well, it may be Middle America in the streets this time.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Miro23 says:

    Trump needs to shift the struggle out of the legal arena, where Mueller and his men have superior weapons, and into the political arena, where he can bring his populous forces to bear in the decision as to his fate.

    Maybe, but it’s late in the day. He did everything he could to surround himself with “swamp” appointments. Where were his “America First” appointments? It looks like he tried to gain acceptance with the Swamp and they rejected him.

    Trump is a nationalist who puts America first both in trade and securing her frontiers against an historic invasion from the South. If he is overthrown, and the agenda for which America voted is trashed as well, it may be Middle America in the streets this time.

    Trump is NOT a nationalist who puts America first. What about those garbage hyper-Zionist appointments like Bolton, Haley and Pompeo? Where is the high priority Wall? Where is rejection of ME wars? Where is America First rather than Israel First? Where is friendship with Russia? Where is “Draining the Swamp”?

    Face reality, Trump has already been overthrown (or more likely was a fake “America Firster” from the start). Middle America needs to finish with him and get out into the streets on their own initiative and demonstrate that they are Anti-War and against the MIC/Deep State.

  2. I agree fully and think that Trump should go further and announce that Sessions, Rosenstein, and the entire Mueller crew are simply “fired.” He should also join Manafort’s suit questioning the legality of the whole operation. Naturally the media, the deep state’s propaganda ministry, will create a firestorm, but they should then be called out for sedition and let the chips fall where they may.

  3. Randal says:

    This is surely absolutely correct, on all counts. These are political issues, not criminal justice ones, and must be resolved politically. And if Trump tries to survive in the criminal justice context he will be playing, as Buchanan correctly points out, to his own weakest points and will surely fall.

    Can Trump survive impeachment? Well, he does seem to have weathered the initial storm somewhat, and his betrayals and consequent alienation of some of those who supported him have had the opposing effect of reassuring some elements of the swamp he clamed to be intending to drain. The former might be more numerous, but the latter are way more powerful.

    Regardless, the other way lies certain doom for Trump. He surely must defy, as Buchanan suggests.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  4. LondonBob says:

    Hear, hear Pat. I don’t think Trump has fought this at all well, he should call their bluff. Rosenstein should have been fired a long time ago, and the coup plotters need prosecuting.

  5. TTSSYF says:

    Pat, is there anything you can do to help make sure Trump and his team of lawyers reads this column? It is dead-on accurate — at least, from my perspective and my family and friends who voted for Trump and continue to support him. You are exactly right: this epic battle needs to be played out in public and in full.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  6. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Randal

    “…if Trump tries to survive in the criminal justice context he will be playing, as Buchanan correctly points out, to his own weakest points and will surely fall. Can Trump survive impeachment?”

    What difference does it make? He has abandoned or thrown away everything about his Presidency that was of any value, and he has given the rest to the criminals. At this point, it matters not, in a practical sense, whether or not Trump is removed from the Presidency.

    The system is corrupt to its core. The entire house of cards has to come down. It will happen sooner if the population is split by crude means and the outrage is great.

    • Replies: @Randal
    , @jack daniels
  7. Stick says:

    So ‘High Noon’ or ‘Who Shot Liberty Valance’. You’ve got to love the classics. I’m down with the rumble. Long overdue.

  8. Randal says:
    @The Scalpel

    What difference does it make? He has abandoned or thrown away everything about his Presidency that was of any value, and he has given the rest to the criminals. At this point, it matters not, in a practical sense, whether or not Trump is removed from the Presidency.

    Well I certainly sympathise with that pov, but I can’t commit to it wholeheartedly.

    As a military interventionist and evident Israel accomplice, and as someone who, at best, is not enthusiastic or active on behalf of indigenous white interests, he is little better than the rest of the potential candidates for President. On the other hand, his survival still gets right up the noses of most of the very worst elements in US sphere society even as he desperately tries to compromise and accommodate with them – the antiracists, the immigration extremists, the jewish and black and other minority identity group lobbyists, the gender extremists, the antifa thugs and their apologists and enablers, etc.

    In the end, his defeat by those scum and their subsequent triumphalism would still be too painful to bear. On the other hand, by failing to join those against him in response to his shameless betrayal on interventionism we merely confirm the correctness of the contempt for us (noninterventionists) on the part of the gloating interventionists, who rightly observed that we had nowhere else to go and could safely be betrayed by Trump. Damned if we do, and damned if we don’t – the usual fate of noninterventionists in modern US sphere societies.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  9. Just imagine if Trump had truly put America, rather than Israel/Jewish interests, first. Then the people would be behind him and it would be time to man the barricades.

    I guess because he’s a boomer, he still doesn’t get it. No matter what you do, once the left decides they hate you, there’s no turning back. And bombing Syria and flipping off Putin for the hundredth time aren’t going to change that. So half the country hates him even if he found the cure for cancer. Had he gone full MAGA, the other half of the country would be ready to die for him. As it is, many former supporters have become jaded and just don’t give a shit what happens to him anymore.

    Anyway, we’re not voting our way out of this.

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @TTSSYF
    , @anon
  10. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Randal

    “In the end, his defeat by those scum and their subsequent triumphalism would still be too painful to bear”

    I , in turn sympathize with this POV. Actually, I agree. But on the other hand, in the event that the swamp wins, that pain might just serve as the spark that ignites the drive for real change. Admittedly, that is a long shot. It seems both paths lead downward and the bottom is not yet in sight. Somewhat counterintutively, as happened with the USSR, perhaps the path that hits the bottom quickest is the best.

    I’m getting a big bag of popcorn, but I don’t believe I will like the show.

    • Replies: @Randal
  11. @Miro23

    “Middle America needs to finish with him and get out into the streets on their own initiative and demonstrate that they are Anti-War and against the MIC/Deep State.”

    Been reading Citizens by Simon Schama. The surprising thing is how many Frenchmen supported the King in the revolution, until they didn’t. From 1789to 1793 is the same distance as 2016 to 2020. Trump had best heed the Deplorables.

    • Agree: Realist
  12. The Scalpel says: • Website

    Ideally, we would have a society that celebrates the good accomplishments of the Edward Snowdens and Julian Assanges of the world (I know they are not perfect). Sadly, it seems that the vast majority, at this time in history, have been brainwashed into mindless conformity or maybe were just born that way. Perhaps humanity is no longer up to resisting the borg and this is the beginning of that pathway. I hope that we are up to it. If so, it seems that it will take a lot more pain before the majority are willing to come out from their conformist cocoons.

  13. anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Miro23

    Okay, all your criticisms seem correct on the surface but it’s hard to know what pressures have been brought to bear on Trump. There is at least some truth to the 3D chess interpretation. Currently on Unz there is an article claiming that the appointment of Bolton was forced because the GOP needed Adelson’s money. If Trump refuses, the party goes into a tizzy. Personally, I think the best thing Trump could do for the GOP is to carry out his campaign promises, but perhaps Ryan and McConnell told him they were non-starters. Trump may have tried to be ‘flexible’ so as to have at least a couple achievements to point to. I grant that he’s not a man of great principle so maybe he gave up too easily. He could have insisted on his agenda and challenged the house and senate to defy him and take the consequences, but I guess he doesn’t really like being hated by everyone in Washington, even if the little people in Des Moines love him.

    • Replies: @Realist
  14. @The Scalpel

    I share your disgust, but it’s really hard to figure out what’s going on in the country. The GOP seems willing to accept gay marriage, abortion, millions of illegal aliens, a drug epidemic, heavy censorship and blacklisting of conservatives. The legal system often acts with egregious bias against people on the right. The Alt Right gets a lot of publicity but if it has more than a couple hundred members they are afraid to show their faces. I am afraid that most people simply don’t give a damn. Nobody is starving and there are plenty of distractions. I certainly wish you were right about the possibility of an outraged public demanding genuine swamp-cleaning but I have no confidence. And remember that the media is in enemy hands and the internet is being muzzled so we are pretty much helpless. If Trump is impeached that might radicalize a lot of his followers but he’ll never actually be kicked out of office if the GOP holds the Senate. The Deep State has it all figured out and we are at their mercy. Maybe starting a populist party and challenging Trump would go somewhere. Or a Rand Paul movement. I like the Pauls.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  15. @TTSSYF

    “Pat, is there anything you can do to help make sure Trump and his team of lawyers reads this column?”
    Put it under cheesecake photos of Nikki Haley?
    Seriously, I think Trump reads PJB if he reads anyone, but that’s a big IF.

    • Troll: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  16. Randal says:
    @The Scalpel

    The worse, the better.

    Not a comfortable position for any conservative to adopt, but perhaps we have reached that point.

    • Replies: @Flavius
  17. @Miro23

    The wall needs funding… and Trump hasn’t had control of the Presidential toy box long enough to roust control, or take the scalps necessary to dominate the congress.

    WAIT…. Trump is a dangerous man in a blood sport like politics. His learning curve is amazing.

    Look out DC…. He WILL take scalps. What do you think they are all so afraid of ?
    He’s a master at this game….

    Mid Terms be damned…. all he has to do is bag a gazillionaire like Bezos for visuals while he tames N Korea and Iran.

    The left will swamp the polls for the party that destroys a Gazillionaire for bread and circuses.

    Who cares if he destroys Bezos or Zuckerberg…. they deserve it. And it’s a great way to win the vores of the bankrupt snowflakes who can’t get out from under their well deserved school debt.

    BRING OUT YOUR BILLIONAIRES….. as they roll the portable guillotines through the streets.

    • Replies: @Realist
  18. “Let slip the dogs of war!” cried the bloviating windbags, although they lacked both the stomach and the backbone to fulfill their own request.

  19. Realist says:
    @Miro23

    Maybe, but it’s late in the day. He did everything he could to surround himself with “swamp” appointments.

    Absolutely the man is a dolt.

  20. Realist says:
    @anon

    There is at least some truth to the 3D chess interpretation. Currently on Unz there is an article claiming that the appointment of Bolton was forced because the GOP needed Adelson’s money.

    That s not 3D chess…that’s grabbing your socks. Trump is a nutless buffoon.

  21. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:

    Agree w/ Buchanan that Trump must not meet with Mueller or he’d be signing his own death warrant. These FBI scums made a career out of entrapping people with their goon like tactics. Reminds me of a scene in the movie “Married to the Mob”, where a room full of FBI agents intimidated and blackmailed a dead mobster’s wife to force her to help them entrap the mafia boss, she said,

    “You people work just like the mob, there’s no difference!”

    The FBI agent looked her straight in the eyes and said,

    “Oh there’s a big difference Mrs. DeMarco. The mob is run by murdering thieving lying cheating psychopaths. We work for the President of the United States of America.”

    Hilarious. The mob wife nailed it:

    • Replies: @Svigor
  22. Realist says:
    @gustafus21

    Mid Terms be damned…. all he has to do is bag a gazillionaire like Bezos for visuals while he tames N Korea and Iran.

    You should not drink before you post.

  23. Realist says:
    @exiled off mainstreet

    Naturally the media, the deep state’s propaganda ministry, will create a firestorm,…

    How is that different than now?

  24. Realist says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Anyway, we’re not voting our way out of this.

    Excellent point.

  25. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @Miro23

    Trump’s presidency has been hijacked by Mike Pence since Day 1. It was painful to watch when Trump put Pence the Ziocon deep state stooge in charge of the transitional government, and Pence’s first move was to remove Chris Christie – the first governor to support Trump when no establishment GOP wanted anything to do with him. Chris Christie basically ended his career stomping for Trump, and it was painful to see Trump allow Pence to cast aside his most loyal supporter. No doubt Pence did it to appease Jared Kushner who wanted to see his crooked father’s prosecutor gone.

    Pence and Kushner are both big time Zionists and it’s no surprise they are close since the start. Kushner probably brought in Pence. Pence convinced Trump to keep Ryan on even though he completely betrayed Trump during the campaign. Pence also brought in Haley, Bolton, Kelly, all the Wall Street Cohens, Rod Rosenstein. Wouldn’t surprise me if Pence whispered in Kushner’s ear to get him to talk Trump into firing Comey, so Rosenstein could bring in Mueller and get the ball rolling.

    I think Pence is pulling a soft coup on Trump. Kushner is the idiot who helped and didn’t even know.

    Trump is in a fight for his life. If Pence pulls off this coup and becomes president, look for him to quickly declare war on Iran and Russia. This bloodthirsty Ziocon stooge had said he wanted war with Russia since the VP debate, he probably thinks all wars on behalf of Israel is a holy war for all Christians, that’s why he’s been to Israel 8 times.

  26. Svigor says:

    Memo to Trump: Defy Mueller

    Bingo. I’ve been saying this since the week Mueller began his (obvious) witch-hunt on behalf of the swamp-rutting PtB.

    Stonewall that goofy-looking bitch, the end.

  27. Svigor says:
    @anon

    I forgot how horrible Matthew Modine was.

  28. @exiled off mainstreet

    “Naturally the media, the deep state’s propaganda ministry, will create a firestorm, but they should then be called out for sedition and let the chips fall where they may.”

    The great bicycle racer, Francesco Moser said something like this, “In every race there comes a moment of truth when, if the rider truly wants to win, he must give it everything he’s got and risk all.”

  29. The Scalpel says: • Website

    Seems this article is being disappeared. It fell off PB’s list aftr 1 day while the older article is still there with nothing more recent.

  30. renfro says:

    Trump is a nationalist who puts America first both in trade and securing her frontiers against an historic invasion from the South. If he is overthrown, and the agenda for which America voted is trashed as well, it may be Middle America in the streets this time.

    Well Pat just lost my respect with that garbage.

  31. @jack daniels

    Trump and PB talk, no way they don’t. Rudy, Alan, D, all of Trump’s team go way back with PB, they’re aware of the options. I never thought Trump would ever testify, still believe it. Trump’s team is stringing Mueller along, delay is becoming death, especially now that Mueller & Co. have to show their cause to the Federal Court as of yesterday. The bones of this go all the way back to Watergate, a subject near and dear to PB’s heart and one with which he is familiar. I’d like to see the whole thing in Congress on trial. Nixon stood down. Trump doesn’t need the pension, roll the dice, get everyone on the record in an actual Impeachment trial, if they dare.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  32. Extraordinary statement by a federal judge yesterday:

    Judge says Mueller team just prosecuting Manafort to get him to ‘sing’ about Trump

    A federal judge in Virginia on Friday sharply questioned the motivations of special counsel Robert Mueller III’s fraud prosecution of President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, saying it was aimed at getting him to provide evidence against the president.

    Judge T.S. Ellis III’s comments came during a hearing in Alexandria federal court, where attorneys for Paul Manafort argued that bank- and tax-fraud charges against him are outside the scope of the special counsel’s authority. While the judge has yet to rule and indicated that he may well decide in favor of prosecutors, his scrutiny of their approach quickly became a rallying cry for supporters of the president.

    “You don’t really care about Mr. Manafort’s bank fraud,” said Ellis, who is known for being combative with attorneys in his courtroom.”You really care about getting information Mr. Manafort can give you that would reflect on Mr. Trump and lead to his prosecution or impeachment.”

    Ellis said the special counsel, which is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election, wanted Manafort, “the vernacular is, to sing.” The judge also put it another way, saying the office set out to “turn the screws and get the information you really want.”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-judge-mueller-manafort-fraud-charges-20180504-story.html

    • Replies: @Svigor
  33. TTSSYF says:
    @Miro23

    Trump is a necessary but not sufficient step in this process of turning things around. The Presidency is a four-year stretch for a reason. Give him a little more time before you give up on him.

  34. TTSSYF says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    I supported him from day one and still do. Everyone I know who voted for him supports him now as much as ever.

    We may eventually not be voting our way out of this, but we have a long way to go before that happens, if it ever does. Obesity is too great a bulwark against revolution. People have to be starving for there to be blood in the streets.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  35. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Right on. What did Trump’s base want? No more wars, a lot less immigration, and fix healthcare. He has so far screwed up on every front.

    The least Trump could do on immigration was cancelling every single one of Bush and Obama’s Executive Orders on immigration, that would’ve cancelled DACA, the OPT, work permit for H1b spouses, etc.. He could’ve raised the H1b visa fee to $25,000 per visa from the current paltry $2,500, and raise the EB5 fee to $10 million. He cancelled DACA but cried endlessly about wanting to give them amnesty. He slowed down the refugee inflow from a few Muslim countries which is good, but not enough. He needs to do something about H1b, OPT and EB5. Not only are Indians continuing to flood in but these dot heads are all big time libtards.

    On foreign wars, his deep ties with Israel thanks to his stupid son-in-law and Mike Pence is causing him to go deeper into the Syrian war, and potentially get us into war with Iran. But N. Korea is a big coup for him.

    On healthcare, the GOP managed to make things even worse by nixing the two most salient features of ObamaCare that kept cost down for everyone – the individual mandate and federal subsidy. Without those two healthcare cost soared for all individual insurers. That was a major fail.

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @Jonathan Mason
  36. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Alan Derschowitz, professor Emeritus of Harvard Law and a Constitutional law expert, self-proclaimed card carrying Democrat, has been decrying all the bullying Mueller, Rosenstein and co. have been doing to Trump, how they violate the constitution, and calling on Jeff Sessions to step in and fire those two. Trump should replace Jeff Sessions with Giuliani at the DOJ, and hire Derschowitz to head up his legal team. Giuliani will do what Jeff Sessions the mouse needs to do but won’t, fire Rosenstein and Mueller, and end this witch hunt once and for all.

  37. Flavius says:
    @Randal

    An incisive and good exchange with the Scalpel.
    America’s Bureaucracy State, or what Trump once called the Swamp, possibly even with genuine conviction, is desperately in need of an awakening to the world as it is and to its own, the leviathon’s, limits; and it has been in need for a very long time.
    Alas, Trump, once showing a flickering light of promise, has proven a terrible disappointment – there is no excuse for his egregious appointments. Even the kneecapping he took from the Beltway crowd on assuming office can’t explain a Haley or Bolton, Javanka, or his abysmal judgement, a continuing display of misbegotten or corrupt judgement, vis a vis Russia and Syria. Except for Korea, which could end well, his conduct of Foreign Policy would grade out at a flat F; as it is, he is a D-. (One wonders why he has made no place for P. Buchanan to advise him? likely Javanka.)
    Nevertheless, as usual, Buchanan offers sound advice. If Trump is to be swallowed by Leviathon, let it at least be that part of the beast that needs once in a while to face the people that does the swallowing.

  38. KenH says:
    @anon

    That’s because on the immigration issues you cite Trump probably got lobbied behind the scenes by the donors and special interests proving once again that elections are futile. Frankly, I don’t think Trump believed all that firmly in his own campaign promises regarding immigration (but knew it was popular with the electorate) and figured it was just a starting point in a negotiation rather than core principles not to be compromised.

    If Trump thinks the long term survival of his own people and this nation are up for negotiation then he’s the wrong guy.

  39. KenH says:

    I agree with Patrick that Trump should defy, defy, defy. But will he? One gains nothing from talking to the FBI since their questions are designed to entrap and have the subject contradict himself/herself which they then use to charge the subject with lying to and misleading the FBI and obstruction of justice.

    If you ask me about an event that recently happened my recollection and details might differ a month or two or five from now. And depending on how the question is asked you might get a slightly different answer. The FBI would say this is lying to and misleading them.

    The Stasi like tactics of the FBI need to end. Any organization with deep ties to the ADL and whose agenda is partly influenced by it is in need of very drastic reforms.

    Trump also needs to start defying the federal courts who are interfering with executive branch functions regarding immigration with their ideological and activist rulings.

    • Agree: Jim Christian
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  40. Svigor says:
    @for-the-record

    As a non-lawyer, I’ll say on behalf of all the non-lawyers that we find this utterly unremarkable. AFAICT, this is absolutely standard legal practice in the USA today. You bring charges against a guy to get him to flip on his boss; happens every day.

  41. Svigor says:
    @TTSSYF

    Written like a man with (at least) a modicum of common sense. The “we can’t vote our way out of this” crowd are a bunch of armchair warriors who want a good game of let’s you and him fight. We haven’t even tried to vote our way out of this yet. Hell, we don’t even have our bloody heads in the game; we’re not even at the “vote our way out of this” stage yet, because we aren’t even at the “we need to get out of this mess” stage in our minds yet.

    And even after we have exhausted our “voting our way out of this stage” options to reasonable satisfaction, there are plenty of options and stages between there and the “time to start shooting the bastards” stage. There’s the camera-friendly stage of non-violent protest like sit-ins, massive demonstrations (I mean massive, like a million people parked on the Mall in DC on a permanent basis), and tax revolts. There’s riots and other forms of non-military resistance.

    We have to exhaust all of that before we can truly say that we have no other choice but to start shooting the bastards. And I say that as someone who would like to cut to the end of the line and start shooting the bastards.

    But life is rarely about what we would like to do. The real world is messier and far more tedious than the fantasy world. Revolutions require legitimacy to succeed. That is simply not built by jumping to the end of the line.

    • Replies: @KenH
  42. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s sort of hard to get the people on your side when you attack Syria, betray your economically populist base with policies that favour the rich, and gin up a repeat of the Iraq War but with Iran this time.

    Robert Muller is like a staph infection that has gone septic because the patient refused initial treatment with antibiotics. Treating it now may be too late. 4D chessmaster Trump is not.

    Fortuitously, however, Trump is a stubborn idiot and extremely lucky, so he may just be in the clear on this. If this is all Muller has got, he doesn’t have sh*t. Trump is a stubborn jerk and will refuse to go unlike Nixon, while, as with Bill Clinton, there will be a “rally around the president” effect once these traitors try to oust him. He’s pretty much in the clear. That’s why Muller has been raiding his attorney, etc. He’s desperate. He’s hoping to provoke Trump into firing him because he hasn’t found any connection with Russia; it would have leaked by now if he had. All they’ve got is some complicated mess about payments to a pornstar. Good luck getting rid of the President of the United States with that without also starting a civil war.

  43. Anon[183] • Disclaimer says:

    “We haven’t even tried to vote our way out of this yet.”

    Nothing personal, but I think that kind of MAGA mentality is the problem. America is gone and won’t be coming back. What do you think we’ve been trying to do this whole time? Voting, at least in the current paradigm, doesn’t seem to work. We voted for Trump, got Romney. Voted for Bush, got a disastrous war…sometimes the only winning move is not to play.

    Considering your previous posts, here is a suggestion that would 1. let you “vote your way out of this” and 2. give you what you want:

    Southern succession. Why don’t we just succeed and have our own country?

    No more SJWs (ban them or let them self-deport), no more lying media (we get our own), no more wars (no one to fight them), no more immigration (no one powerful enough to push it), no more illegal deepstate spying on political dissidents, no more corrupt government (ban lobbying, ban corporate contributions – neither is which is possible in the current system), no more SPLC or ADL (banned), no more tearing down our people’s history (deport those who do and even those who support it), no future normalizing pedophilia (they’ve already floated trial balloons), no more race hoaxes/blood libels against us…

    …sound good? When the system breaks beyond repair, get a new system.

    I personally don’t even want to live in the same country as SJW racists anymore; I’m sick of them. I want a country of my own country where I am safe to be myself, where I never have to conform to racist bigots who tell me what clothes and hair I’m allowed to have, what I’m allowed to watch/read or not.

    Check out the recent Chinese dress controversy. It’s just one in a LONG line of such things (Evergreen State, that racist in California who attacked a white kid for wearing dreads as “cultural appropriation”, demands for Netflix to cancel a show because it portrayed a white man portraying a white character who also knew Kung Fu).

    As soon as those scum get a permanent majority, they’ll oppress us and take away the few freedoms we have left. Maybe we should “vote ourselves” literally out of it before they can.

    #secession

  44. KenH says:
    @Svigor

    The “we can’t vote our way out of this” crowd are a bunch of armchair warriors who want a good game of let’s you and him fight. We haven’t even tried to vote our way out of this yet.

    You kind of lost me here. White men came out en masse in the 1994 mid terms to give control of Congress to Republicans, who at the time were vowing to end affirmative action, deport illegals and enact other restrictionist immigration measures. Instead we got tort reform and a repeal of Glass-Steagall, although the welfare rolls did shrink and the budget got balanced.

    In 1994, California voters turned out to pass proposition 187 only to have it struck down by a activist left wing (((judge))).

    George W. Bush promised a humble foreign policy so we voted for him. Instead we got the most bone headed and disastrous war in our history that let the Islamic fundamentalist genie out of the bottle and unleashed a flood of unassimilable and violent Muslims and North Africans into the heart of Europe.

    Not enough men in the street you say? The tea party made lots of noise and had lots of large rallies but they were intimidated into silence by Obama’s IRS and later co-opted by the GOPe .

    We handed control of Congress back to Republicans in 2014 to fight Obama on amnesty only to have Republican leaders tell us the day after their election victory that they were going on hiatus until 2016 and let Obama have the run of the place.

    We voted for Trump in 2016 because…..well I think you get the point.

  45. @anon

    On healthcare, the GOP managed to make things even worse by nixing the two most salient features of ObamaCare that kept cost down for everyone – the individual mandate and federal subsidy. Without those two healthcare cost soared for all individual insurers. That was a major fail.

    Quite so. The whole point of ‘repeal and replace’ was that Trump was supposed to be replacing it with a much better plan that would have everyone covered ‘beautifully’ without absurd deductibles and copays. By all means repeal the mandate, but that is meaningless without the better plans that people who do not have health insurance through their jobs would WANT to buy for themselves and their families, because it made sense and was a good deal.

  46. @KenH

    The Stasi like tactics of the FBI need to end. Any organization with deep ties to the ADL and whose agenda is partly influenced by it is in need of very drastic reforms.

    Lovely sentiments, Ken, but fat chance. Whatever the ADL connections, the FBI has been a political-destruction arm since Hoover was handed the crown. He’d be proud to see what his early efforts wrought, envious of the tools they have now. The FBI ties to CIA, and the growth of NSA, the military, all former bureaucratic rivals working in tandem to control every aspect of the law, courts and political system with their dossiers and DARPA files on each and every politician. It’s an iron grip and they aren’t letting it go. A tar pit, get too close, they suck you in. Threaten them in a prominent way, they’ll disappear you. For laughs, they can ruin you professionally, financially, they can wreck your family, they can toy with you any way they like. For laughs. Their depravity from 2010-present is breathtaking.

    I’ll hold my breath on those reforms.

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  47. @jack daniels

    ” The deep state has it all figured out and we are at their mercy”

    Only as long as “we” are terrified of getting SR’d or V Foster’d , and as long as “we” are petrified at the thought of GS’s armies of blue-haired nut-cases and BLM crazies burning down our cities.

    The only way to solve ANY problem is to confront it face on and to grab it by the horns.
    Leftists are cowards, every single one of them, and as long as they manage to project the image of
    invulnerability, as long as BC, and his cronies are viewed as invincible and endowed with otherworldly powers, we are lost and might as well surrender.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US ArmyVet, and pro jazz artist.

  48. KenH says:
    @Jim Christian

    I’ll hold my breath on those reforms.

    I won’t hold my breath either, but what you described are things police agencies in Soviet bloc nations routinely did to their citizens especially those the government deemed politically troublesome. When the FBI, IRS or any government agency can destroy lives and reputations with such ease and delight in it then Houston we have a problem.

    We won the cold war but the iron curtain just moved West and in the course of fighting monsters the FBI and other agencies became what they were ostensibly fighting. So it looks like its nefarious practices will only end with economic collapse just like they did with Soviet bloc police state agencies after the collapse of the USSR.

  49. @exiled off mainstreet

    I agree fully and think that Trump should go further and announce that Sessions, Rosenstein, and the entire Mueller crew are simply “fired.”

    Bad advice.

    No the point is that Mueller has come up empty. The closest thing to “collusion” with some “foreign power”–outside of all the typical Israel bowing and scraping–was the Hillary campaign contracting with the ex-MI6 operative Christopher Steele to get the Russian dirt on Trump and Steele contacting Russian spies for that dirt.

    Trump should just make a speech to the nation.
    – Mueller has found no Russian collusion.
    – The closest thing to collusion was in the Hillary campaign (as i noted above).
    – What Mueller–failing to find any Russian collusion–is doing now is fishing around for “perjury” where someone said something–either out of poor memory or not wanted to look bad–that doesn’t line up with the “facts” as Mueller has them.
    – Mueller’s agenda appears to be the swamp angry for losing swatting back.
    – Trump will not be playing that game and will ignore any subeonas from Mueller. (Or ignore on any questions beyond collusion with Russia.)
    – Mueller has spent enough of the taxpayers money. He gets to the end of the year, to wrap up and submit his report on “Russian collusion”. If Trump wants to get more pointed, make it Nov 1. and have the election specifically about this.

    Finally
    – Russia is not a threat to America. They are a great power with their own great power agenda which is sometimes lines up with the US, sometimes doesn’t, but which is not fundamentally in conflict with our vital interests. Those trying to claim Russia is our enemy–those are the people with an “agenda”. And interestingly many of those people were apologists for Russia when it was the Soviet Union and *was* in fact an enemy of the United States with an agenda fundamentally opposed to the United States.

    – The real threat to the United States comes from people–contemptuous and hostile to the actual citizens of the United States–who push for open borders, mass immigration, and the displacement of Americans by foreigners and the destruction of the American nation.

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