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“Iran has launched an unprecedented attack on the world’s energy supply,” declared Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

Putting America’s credibility on the line, Pompeo accused Iran of carrying out the devastating attack on Saudi oil facilities that halted half of the kingdom’s oil production, 5.7 million barrels a day.

On Sunday, President Donald Trump did not identify Iran as the attacking nation, but did appear, in a tweet, to back up the secretary of state:

“There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom (of Saudi Arabia) as to who they believe was the cause of this attack and under what terms we would proceed!”

Yemen’s Houthi rebels, who have been fighting Saudi Arabia for four years and have used drones to strike Saudi airport and oil facilities, claim they fired 10 drones from 500 kilometers away to carry out the strikes in retaliation for Saudi air and missile attacks.

Pompeo dismissed their claim, “There is no evidence the attacks came from Yemen.”

But while the Houthis claim credit, Iran denies all responsibility.

Foreign Minister Mohammad Zarif says of Pompeo’s charge, that the U.S. has simply replaced a policy of “maximum pressure” with a policy of “maximum deceit.” Tehran is calling us liars.

And, indeed, a direct assault on Saudi Arabia by Iran, a Pearl Harbor-type surprise attack on the Saudis’ crucial oil production facility, would be an act of war requiring Saudi retaliation, leading to a Persian Gulf war in which the United States could be forced to participate.

Tehran being behind Saturday’s strike would contradict Iranian policy since the U.S. pulled out of the nuclear deal. That policy has been to avoid a military clash with the United States and pursue a measured response to tightening American sanctions.

U.S. and Saudi officials are investigating the sites of the attacks, the oil production facility at Abqaiq and the Khurais oil field.

According to U.S. sources, 17 missiles or drones were fired, not the 10 the Houthis claim, and cruise missiles may have been used. Some targets were hit on the west-northwest facing sides, which suggests they were fired from the north, from Iran or Iraq.

But according to The New York Times, some targets were hit on the west side, pointing away from Iraq or Iraq as the source. But as some projectiles did not explode and fragments of those that did explode are identifiable, establishing the likely source of the attacks should be only a matter of time. It is here that the rubber meets the road.

Given Pompeo’s public accusation that Iran was behind the attack, a Trump meeting with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani at the U.N. General Assembly’s annual gathering next week may be a dead letter.

The real question now is what do the Americans do when the source of the attack is known and the call for a commensurate response is put directly to our “locked-and-loaded” president.

If the perpetrators were the Houthis, how would Trump respond?

For the Houthis, who are native to Yemen and whose country has been attacked by the Saudis for four years, would, under the rules of war, seem to be entitled to launch attacks on the country attacking them.

Indeed, Congress has repeatedly sought to have Trump terminate U.S. support of the Saudi war in Yemen.

ORDER IT NOW

If the attack on the Saudi oil field and oil facility at Abqaiq proves to be the work of Shiite militia from inside Iraq, would the United States attack that militia whose numbers in Iraq have been estimated as high as 150,000 fighters, as compared with our 5,000 troops in-country?

What about Iran itself?

If a dozen drones or missiles can do the kind of damage to the world economy as did those fired on Saturday — shutting down about 6% of world oil production — imagine what a U.S.-Iran-Saudi war would do to the world economy.

In recent decades, the U.S. has sold the Saudis hundreds of billions of dollars of military equipment. Did our weapons sales carry a guarantee that we will also come and fight alongside the kingdom if it gets into a war with its neighbors?
Before Trump orders any strike on Iran, would he go to Congress for authorization for his act of war?

Sen. Lindsey Graham is already urging an attack on Iran’s oil refineries to “break the regime’s back,” while Sen. Rand Paul contends that “there’s no reason the superpower of the United States needs to be getting into bombing mainland Iran.”

Divided again: The War Party is giddy with excitement over the prospect of war with Iran, while the nation does not want another war.

How we avoid it, however, is becoming difficult to see.

John Bolton may be gone from the West Wing, but his soul is marching on.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

Copyright 2019 Creators.com.

 
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  1. Every time Lindsey tries to butch it up, someone has to die.

    Lindsey, we all know you’re gay already. You don’t have to continue to let yourself be blackmailed into more foreign misadventures.

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
  2. Franz says:

    The War Party is giddy with excitement over the prospect of war with Iran, while the nation does not want another war.

    As they have not wanted war since 1964 when they voted against the “warmonger” Barry Goldwater and instead got the greatest criminal of his generation, Lyndon Johnson. Lyndon promised “American boys won’t be shooting at Asian boys” and the voters believed him. They got almost a decade of war for their trouble. It’s a damn shame about Barry.

    “If voting made any difference they’d make it illegal,” the old boys at FAEM used to say. True.

    But why worry, we’ll get another Israel-Firster in 2020 if we don’t glow in the dark first.

    Fifty-five years of useless votes might lead to exactly that.

    • Replies: @Malla
  3. Lol says:

    “Putting America’s credibility on the line”
    What credibility? Lol

  4. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    Once again, Mr. Paleoconservative works as Stagehand Right in the Beltway puppet show.

    1. “Tehran is calling us liars.”

    No, Tehran is calling Washington liars. Mr. Buchanan uses pronoun propaganda to convince gullible “Conservatives” that “we” good and patriotic Exceptionalians must stand with and fight for Uncle Sam.

    2. “And, indeed, a direct assault on Saudi Arabia by Iran, a Pearl Harbor-type surprise attack on the Saudis’ crucial oil production facility, would be an act of war requiring Saudi retaliation, leading to a Persian Gulf war in which the United States could be forced to participate.”

    Pearl Harbor, as opposed to Gulf of Tonkin? Sounds like another Project for a New American Century. And how would the USG “be forced to participate” in the absence of an attack on this country and/or a declaration of war by the (invertebrate) Congress?

    • Agree: Saggy
    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Amy
  5. El Dato says:

    Putting America’s credibility on the line

    …which is hovering at 0 in any case.

    “There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom (of Saudi Arabia) as to who they believe was the cause of this attack and under what terms we would proceed!”

    The US playing the mercenary army for a kind of modern Venetian Doge. History has few patterns.

    Yemen’s Houthi rebels, who have been fighting Saudi Arabia for four years and have used drones to strike Saudi airport and oil facilities, claim they fired 10 drones from 500 kilometers away to carry out the strikes in retaliation for Saudi air and missile attacks.

    Be in a war of leisure & choice that has killed about 90’000 so far. Act surprised when you get your shit pushed in.

    Pompeo dismissed their claim, “There is no evidence the attacks came from Yemen.”

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

    According to U.S. sources, 17 missiles or drones were fired, not the 10 the Houthis claim, and cruise missiles may have been used. Some targets were hit on the west-northwest facing sides, which suggests they were fired from the north, from Iran or Iraq.

    Bullshit to the meanest intelligence. Unsurprisingly, attacks are not carried out using catapults but using robots.

    Whether a facility is damaged on the north, east, west or south is not indication on whether an attacks came from the north, east, west or south.

    • Agree: Rabbitnexus
  6. swamped says:

    John Bolton has a soul? Fire that, too!
    “If a dozen drones or missiles can do the kind of damage to the world economy as did those fired on Saturday — shutting down about 6% of world oil production — imagine what “…guerilla warfare will look like when rebel groups get their hands on more of these cheap unmanned lethal aircraft. “In recent decades, the U.S. has sold the Saudis hundreds of billions of dollars of military equipment. Did our weapons sales carry a guarantee that”.. they would actually work against a more nimble informal militia? The kind that would come pouring out of the woodwork – and far flung corners of the world- if Lindsey Graham laced up his combat boots & led a charge on Tehran. Rand Paul has his finger in the dike, bless him, but he won’t be able to hold back the tide.
    “For the Houthis, who are native to Yemen and whose country has been attacked by the Saudis for four years, would, under the rules of war, seem to be entitled to launch attacks on the country attacking them”…but try and tell that to the country attacking Houthi civilian sites & its chief arms supplier. It can only get worse.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  7. Nodwink says:

    The USA is such a nation of cucks. Imagine sending your child over there to die in a war to avenge an attack on the cash cow of Mohammed Bone Saw, by a bunch of Houthi yokels. The whole thing beggars belief.

    • Replies: @Johann
    , @Malla
  8. Saudi is basically committing ethnic cleansing in Yemen, and yet the average British person and Westerner generally believes Iran to be the “bad guy”. The irony is the average Brexit voter in the UK and Trump supporter in the US is exactly the sort of person who will be banging the drum for war on Iran and in the Middle East generally, yet the first to complain when Muslim refugees turn up in their towns and cities.

    The people who are mostly vocally against mass immigration are typically the sort of people who most vocally support the actions and policies that creates it, it really is a ridiculous situation.

  9. KenH says:

    Once again Trump is doing a 180 from all of his tweets dating back to 2012 and campaign statements calling for a humble foreign policy of 2015-16. We give billions of aid to Israel annually and sell billions of dollars of sophisticated military hardware to the Saudis yet we still fight their wars for them.

    Trump also offered to place U.S. troops under the command of the Saudi king which is distinctly not MAGA and he’s seemingly too historically illiterate to realize that he’s making U.S. troops into Janissaries. Not even Bush or Obama made such an offer to my knowledge.

  10. unit472 says:

    This is a real predicament. It is not credible ‘the Houthis’ could carry out a coordinated precision strike hundreds of miles distant. The Houthis are a primitive people unable to even manage basic hygiene so we aren’t talking about hobby store ‘drones’ but million dollar. long range, low flying precision guided munitions.

    The Saudis must hit back or MBS is finished. His problem is that hitting Iran doesn’t protect his oil infrastructure. The Saudi Air Force has thousands of US supplied precision bombs and 300 or so advanced US and British supplied aircraft to deliver them so taking out Iran’s oil export terminals is feasible but not very effective since Iranian oil exports have already been heavily cut by US sanctions.
    A more effective alternative might be to destroy Iran’s electric power plants and substations to destroy whats left of the Iranian economy but that again invites more Iranian missile attacks on the Kingdoms vital infrastructure.

    The Saudi army is problematic but what might work, mollify Saudi public opinion and cost Iran is for Saudi Arabia to invade and annex Qatar. MBS gets Qatars wealth to fund his own projects and removes a quasi Iranian ally from the Middle Eastern chess board.

  11. Here is an article that looks at the close economic connections between China and Iran:

    https://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2019/08/chinas-infrastructure-investment-in.html

    Washington would be seriously mistaken if it thought that China would stand aside and let the United States destroy its investments in Iran and its infrastructure.

  12. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @unit472

    “.. the Middle Eastern chess board.”

    So cool, so detached. Is Avalon Hill still in business?

  13. ‘If a dozen drones or missiles can do the kind of damage to the world economy as did those fired on Saturday – shutting down about 6% of world oil production – imagine what a U.S.-Iran-Saudi war would do to the world economy.’
    This poses a huge dilemma for the US government: if it does nothing Iran has won (at least from the administration’s perspective); if it acts it creates an international recession, and worse. A regional war always has the potential to escalate into a global one. ‘How we avoid it, however, is becoming difficult to see.’
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  14. @unit472

    I don’t know about the Saudis hitting Iran in retaliation. From everything I’ve read, Iran (and its friends) would wipe the Saudis out without the US hegemon to protect them, just as the Hegemon is protecting the illegal state of Israel.

    Also, I’m curious. Trump fired Bolton because he went rogue and kept trying to get Washington into war with Iran (and other places). Yet, pompous Pompeo has already said that Iran did it, while Trump said he is waiting for proof. Nothing has changed! When the Secretary of State says it, contradicting the president, what is Trump supposed to do? Answer – Fire Pompeo also.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @anonymous
    , @nsa
  15. But according to The New York Times, some targets were hit on the west side, pointing away from Iraq or Iraq as the source.

    You are so pusillanimous, Mr. Buchanan: Go ahead and say what you are implying here.

    There are only two powers in the region who could have pulled off this attack: One is the US, and the other is not Iran.

  16. @follyofwar

    Let’s not forget that this whole miserable chain of events is occurring because Trump, in a teenage hissy fit, and despite all of the other signatories objecting, tore up the Iran Nuclear Agreement. At bottom, it was all because Trump did not want to give the hated Obama credit for his one foreign policy achievement. If Trump’s name was on it instead, he would have told the world what a great negotiator he is.

  17. @England patriot

    “The irony is the average Brexit voter in the UK and Trump supporter in the US is exactly the sort of person who will be banging the drum for war on Iran and in the Middle East generally”

    Why would someone who supports Brexit want war with Iran? There’s no connection whatsoever. And as for Trump supporters, most voted for him thinking that he would remove America from foreign wars.

    You seem new here. Welcome! You will soon learn that almost everything you’ve been told by The Guardian is bullshit.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  18. I’m wondering, if the Saudies still have their receipe for the Patriot Missile defense system they bought…

  19. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    No, it’s worse than that — President Trump is “waiting to hear from the Kingdom (of Saudi Arabia) as to who they believe was the cause of this attack and under what terms we would proceed!”

    Face it: he lied to get elected.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  20. Strangely nobody is considering a possibility of false flag.
    From the picture it is not the production facility it is a storage facility.
    Those damaged equipment are storage tanks. Those are made from from five sixteen to three eight thick alloy steel welded plates
    In order to destroy this type of tank it must be direct hit. Any explosion beside tank will no damage it.
    This is obvious false flag.
    And what about eye witnesses seeing the missiles , or drones.
    What about the personal at these facilities?
    They are deaf and blind?

  21. I do have to correct my name.

  22. @Johnny Smoggins

    Do you have evidence that the average Brexit and Trump voter want a substantial reduction in “defense” spending by the Empire?

    How about evidence that the average Brexit and Trump voter wants the Empire to cut out all aid to the Talmudic tyrant?

    How about evidence that the average Brexit and Trump voter wants the Golden Golem of Greatness to stop prostituting himself for the Hebrews?

    How about evidence that the average Brexit and Trump voter wants to disassociate himself from the bread and circuses such as military scrotum sucking, the NFL, the NBA, the World Cup, the Olympics, Jewlywood, et al?

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    , @Malla
  23. Johann says:
    @Nodwink

    If Trump allows the neo cons to launch another war then the Republican Party is finished. Ironic c that the Democrat party has been the war party from 1850 until 1990 but now the Republicans have claimed the title of war party. Of course if thedems take over there will be no end to the permanent war deep state. Unfortunately the over weight drunken Americans shouting out USA USA USA in their coarse war chants love war and always have especially when they can protect their offspring from the actual battlefields and let the poor deplorables pour their guts and lives out on foreign battlefields

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  24. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    As predicted and forewarned, by the way.

    “In 2008, Obama was touted as a political outsider who will hose away all of the rot and bloody criminality of the Bush years. He turned out to be a deft move by our ruling class. Though fools still refuse to see it, Obama is a perfect servant of our military banking complex. Now, Trump is being trumpeted as another political outsider.

    A Trump presidency will temporarily appease restless, lower class whites, while serving as a magnet for liberal anger. This will buy our ruling class time as they continue to wage war abroad while impoverishing Americans back home. Like Obama, Trump won’t fulfill any of his election promises, and this, too, will be blamed on bipartisan politics.”

    Linh Dinh, “Orlando Shooting Means Trump for President,” June 12, 2016, @ The Unz Review.

  25. Rurik says:

    Foreign Minister Mohammad Zarif says of Pompeo’s charge, that the U.S. has simply replaced a policy of “maximum pressure” with a policy of “maximum deceit.” Tehran is calling us liars.

    [my emphasis]

    Well Pat, you’ve been accused of a casual use of pronouns like ‘we’ and ‘us’ before, (implying that the criminals perpetrating aggressive wars and serial human rights violations = the American people), but this time I must agree, conflating a lying sack of shit like Pompeo, (along with the lying sacks of shit in the ZUS State Dept.) = the American people, is a bit too egregious, even from you.

    Perhaps most flagrantly so, because Iran’s Foreign Minister certainly is not implying that the American people are fast and loose with the truth, but rather the Zio-scum in DC are, and for that observation, I (as an American) could not agree with Minister Mohammad Zarif more.

    Everything that comes out of the ZUS State Dept., Pentagon and ‘Intelligence Agencies’, is generally a 180° inversion of the truth. And always intended to bolster Israel at the expense of everyone else, (including America and the American people in particular).

    For the record.

    And I don’t need to repeat the endless litany, from MH17 to Assad’s “chemical attacks”, for everyone to know that what I’m saying is the obvious truth.

    And, indeed, a direct assault on Saudi Arabia by Iran, a Pearl Harbor-type surprise attack on the Saudis’ crucial oil production facility, would be an act of war requiring Saudi retaliation, leading to a Persian Gulf war in which the United States could be forced to participate.

    Don’t you mean ‘(((forced))) to participate’ ?

    U.S. and Saudi officials are investigating the sites of the attacks,

    OMFG

    Is there anyone on this planet that would put a shred of credibility to anything these serial liars would say?

    There comes a point when a liar’s lies become comical. Like reading the NYT and expecting to find unbiased truth. We’ve passed the point where it’s now simply all laughable, at best. Every thing they say is a lie. Listening to ‘U.S. and Saudi officials’ “investigating” what happened, is like asking Jussie Smollet about his persecution by a racist, MAGA controlled Chicago and Hollywood power structure. It’s beyond surreal.

    According to U.S. sources, 17 missiles or drones were fired..

    “According to U.S. sources’ sounds like a typical ‘Trump derangement syndrome’ report on CNN.

    “According to White House sources, blah, blah..’ There’s little point in reading beyond the definitive word ‘sources’.

    The real question now is what do the Americans do when the source of the attack is known and the call for a commensurate response is put directly to our “locked-and-loaded” president.

    Forgetting for the moment that ‘the source of the attack’ will be lied about, endlessly, and pretending that the PTB might inadvertently blurt out something that was true, then how should America proceed?

    By staying the f**k out of it. If Iran shot missiles into Saudi Arabia, then I’d say they have every right, at this point. The Saudis are a den of stone age orcs with billions of dollars to use for hacking journalists to death on video. They’re trying to use mass-starvation as a strategy of crushing Yemen under their tyrannical enslavement. God speed to the Houthi rebels and Iran in opposing these execrable curs. And damn the ZUS State Dept. for supporting them, (because Israel has made common cause with the Saudi scum).

    If the perpetrators were the Houthis, how would Trump respond?

    ‘Would’, I don’t know.

    Should – make common cause with them diplomatically and demand an end to the Saudi aggression they’ve been dealing with.

    Before Trump orders any strike on Iran, would he go to Congress for authorization for his act of war?

    Tulsi Gabbard has heroically answered this question.

    ‘Yesterday President Trump offered to place our military, my brothers and sisters in uniform, under the command of Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the dictator of the Islamist Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Trump said, “[We] are locked and loaded, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!” Mr. President, as you know, I have never engaged in hateful rhetoric against you, or your family, and I never will, but your offering our military assets to the dictator of Saudi Arabia to use as he sees fit, is a betrayal of my brothers and sisters in uniform who are ready to give our lives for our country, not for the Islamist dictator of Saudi Arabia. For you to think that you can pimp out our proud servicemen and women to the Prince of Saudi Arabia is disgraceful, and it once again shows that you are unfit to serve as our commander in chief. As a member of Congress, and as a soldier, I and all of my brothers and sisters in uniform have taken an oath to protect and defend the American people and the Constitution of the United States of America. There is nothing in our Constitution that gives you the power to go to war without the express consent of Congress, but to speak of giving you the power to offer our military to a foreign power like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to use as they wish — President Trump, your words and actions are a betrayal of my brothers and sisters in uniform, the American people, and our Constitution. My fellow servicemembers and I — we are not your prostitutes. You are not our pimp.

    Indeed. Only Trump isn’t actually acting like the pimp, but rather the prostitute, and we all know on (((whose))) behalf.

    Sen. Rand Paul contends that “there’s no reason the superpower of the United States needs to be getting into bombing mainland Iran.”

    Memo to The Donald: Drop Pence, pick Paul.
    Divided again: The War Party is giddy with excitement over the prospect of war with Iran,

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Stonehands
  26. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Locked and Loaded’ for War on Iran?

    No one needs your stupid question and nonsense answers, zionist stooge. When are you going to retire?

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  27. nsa says:
    @follyofwar

    “………..what is Trumpstein supposed to do?”
    That’s easy…..turn his big flabby estrogen laden cottage cheese behind around and bend over for the jew. Four more years….four more years…….four more years…….USA………USA………USA…….

  28. unit472 says:

    One has only to remember Iran pledged to the UK it would not deliver the oil onboard the tanker seized in Gibraltar to gain its release. However you feel about the sanctions imposed on Syria by the EU those on Iran by the US the fact is Iran lied and promptly sent the oil to Syria. In fact, the tankers voyage was nothing but ‘deception’ going around the Cape of Good Hope with transponders off.

    Iran is waging war on Saudi Arabia. Using proxies doesn’t change that but in the most recent attack it is beyond doubtful the “Houthis’ could pull it off and anyone believes that is either a stooge of Iran or lying! If Kharg Island was carpet bombed tomorrow the US could claim it was some insurgent group but no ‘insurgent group’ has B-52’s so lets stop with this Houthi nonsense. The missile attacks on Saudi Arabia are Iranian operations…period. So the question is can we allow this to continue given the importance of Saudi oil production? If you are a cynic or an American militarist the answer is yes. China’s economy will collapse first if it is starved of ARAB oil and it doesn’t have the naval power or Persian Gulf bases to access Iranian oil production. The Saudi’s or UAE could do to Iran exactly what Iran is doing to Saudi Arabia to shut down Saudi oil exports.Problem is there is lots of collateral damage from $100 oil even if not to Exxon Mobil or Apache.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Curmudgeon
    , @Thirdeye
  29. @anonymous

    If you feel that way, anonymous, then why in Hell are you reading him? Or, more likely, you didn’t read it and just looked at the headline.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @anonymous
  30. Altai says:

    Flashback to McCain going on TV after the mysterious anthrax attacks to accuse Iraq and again on 9/11.

    https://thinkprogress.org/on-morning-of-9-11-attacks-mccain-immediately-began-making-the-case-for-iraq-war-4042b28b5f9b/

  31. @Johann

    You said: “The democrat party has been the war party from 1850 to 1990.”

    Seriously? Did you forget about Clinton’s starvation sanctions on Iraq in which it was claimed that 500,000 children died for lack of medicine? Or how about his war on Serbia for trying to keep its own historic territory of Kosovo?

    And how about Obama’s wars? He was even worse than Clinton. He didn’t stop any of Bush’s wars, and added an unprovoked decapitation of Gadhafi’s Libya, as well as funding Al-CIA-da/ISIS in its attempt to eliminate Assad for Israel’s benefit. Obama gave the green light to the overthrow of the legally elected government of Ukraine, and that war is still going on. They both pushed NATO further and further east, right up to Russia’s border. I could go on.

    You forget that Trump’s MAGA people, Hillary’s deplorables, were shouting USA USA because they were/are America-first. That meant they were/are against these endless wars, which is what Trump campaigned on, and why he won. They DO NOT love war, because it is always their sons who wind up going.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
  32. Rurik says:
    @unit472

    The missile attacks on Saudi Arabia are Iranian operations…period. So the question is can we allow this to continue given the importance of Saudi oil production?

    How many Americans are you willing to see get killed protecting the Saudi regime?

    The Iranians are the adults in the room in that region.

    The Saudis are the ones who funded the head-slicing orcs of ISIS.

    They were bestest buddies of the Shah and the Mossad’s SAVAK, who kept the Shah in power.

    But the Saudis look like Thomas Jeffersons and Mother Theresas compared to the Zionist regime.

    So Iran is stuck in a region with some of the world’s worst psychopathic rabid dogs, and on top of all that, is menaced constantly by the world’s ‘super power’ due to the complete corruption of the ZUS government by Jewish supremacist money and (((media))).

    Duh.

    We should all support Iran (and Palestine and Lebanon and Syria) and all the other nations being bombed and goaded and crushed under the kind of sanctions that makes a Jewish supremacist ghoul gloat about how goyim children’s deaths by the hundreds of thousands are “worth it”, so long as those deaths are ‘good for the Jews’.

    Ignoring the purple elephant in the room, (Jewish supremacist Zionist intrigue and treachery), when talking about the latest lies to come out of the Middle East, is beyond dishonest. And feeds into a fiend’s narrative.

    The stakes could not be more stark in that region. Israel is America’s foremost enemy, and has demonstrated that fact on several notable occasions. (USS Liberty, Jonathan Pollard, 9/11, and constant spying and lying and dragging us into their wars).

    The American people should understand that as go the people of Gaza and Iraq and Iran, so too will go the American people when we’ve ceased to be useful to Jewish supremacist$/Zionists.

    I read a story with a video of some orcs in Minnesota savaging a human. The reason those orcs have been unleashed on Minnesotans, is a direct consequence of Jewish supremacist intrigue and treachery, and their inherent hatred for all things white America.

    By advocating your support for the Jewish supremacist wars on inoffensive nations, you’re acting as (((their))) toady and lickspittle. Which is a very abased way for a white man to conduct himself.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Sean O'Farrell
    , @turtle
  33. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    You didn’t ask me, but I read him to point out his increasingly apparent propaganda on behalf of the Empire.

    Critical comments help all of us to think more clearly. No one learned much from that one of #307, but your implication that commenters should stick to those columnists they like is contrary to the mission of this website.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
  34. Malla says:
    @Nodwink

    Imagine sending your child over there to die in a war to avenge an

    Is diz new? Not really. has been happening for nearly a century.

    As Professor Revilo Oliver once wrote (in Reflections on the Christ Myth):

    “The Jews, naturally and, from their standpoint, reasonably, hate all Aryans, but they feel a specially intense hatred for Aryans who are so intelligent and manly that they resent being herded and fleeced by their Jewish shepherds and refuse to believe in the enormous racial superiority that entitles Jews to own the entire planet. When the Germans tried to have a country of their own, international Jewry sent against Germany their stupid British hounds and eventually their rabid American mastiffs, who obediently and foully murdered the German leaders to prove to the world that resistance to God’s People is an unforgivable sin that is punished by torture and death. That we all know.

    This is old.

  35. Malla says:
    @Rurik

    Was that dancing picture taken inside the US Federal Reserve building?
    They seem like a bunch of nice guys, totally harmless. Real gentlemen.

  36. @England patriot

    Trump voters voted against mass immigration and against endless war in the Middle East. Clinton voters voted for mass immigration and for endless war in the Middle East. Who told you otherwise?

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
  37. The Houthis’ stunning success against Abqaiq is the military equivalent of Buster Douglas’ knockout of Mike Tyson.

  38. @swamped

    Military hardware more sophisticated than camel-mounted musketry is beyond the ability of Saudi armed forces. KSA, currently like the US, is not a serious country.

    • Replies: @Malla
  39. Netanyahu was asked, “What is your favorite song?”

    Without hesitation he replied, “Onward Christian Soldiers. It gives me goosebumps.”

    • LOL: Malla
    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
  40. bjondo says:

    Get rid of Pompeo. Replace with Rand Paul.

    If NSA even needed, appoint ret Col. Lawrence Wilkerson.

    • Replies: @Realist
  41. Apparently the Saudis are not capable of defending their oil patch. Do they think Bibi or Orange Man is going to save them when all out war against Iran begins?

    This attack, if not a provocation, was a shot across the bow to expose Saudi vulnerability.

  42. Malla says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    The lazy rich Saudis with their expensive toys would never stand a chance against the smarter Persians or the tougher Yemeni. They would need American and British troops to do the hard work.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  43. @unit472

    How is it any business of the EU or the US, what business transactions take place between Iran and Syria? They, along with the useless UN can stuff those sanctions through their anal sphincter into their transverse colon.

    What you and many like you seem to forget, is that Iran has the latest Chinese “Sunburn” ship killers. The first to go will be a large carrier, resulting in the death of 5000+ sailors. It will only get worse from there. China will survive on oil imports from the Caspian basin Russia, and perhaps Brunei. Damaged, yes, collapse, no. The first thing they would do is dump the billions they hold in US Treasuries. No amount of “magic” by the Fed will prevent the implosion, because Russia will follow. Both, along with India, have buying gold by the ton, for years.

    Your thoughts are that every Yemeni is like a stereotypical Zionist constructed “sand nigger”. They aren’t. They, just like the Saudis, have leaders and followers, some well educated, some not. Yemen had been in turmoil for decades. This is more likely a coordinated effort of the Saudis, Israelis, and the US. Any evidence found pointing to Iran will have been planted, just as it was in Lockerbie for Pan Am 103. You appear to be incapable of grasping the concept that Iran gains no more from the attack than Assad would using chemical attacks on “his own people”.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  44. Gall says:
    @unit472

    Why don’t you go over there and lead the charge? Your tag should really be unit 8200.

  45. @Curmudgeon

    Ignore it.
    It’s just one more tool from Yiddistan.

  46. Malla says:
    @Franz

    Lyndon promised “American boys won’t be shooting at Asian boys” and the voters believed him. They got almost a decade of war for their trouble. It’s a damn shame about Barry.

    Reminds me FDR and Wilson. This is a long American tradition.

  47. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    It is not necessary to read his garbage. I have read enough and watch him on TV to know, without any doubt, that he is a racist pro empire. If people have not understood this simple fact, then they will be fooled again and again by impostors.

  48. Pontius says:

    I’m afraid that I have reached a point where I cannot dismiss the notion that the whole thing may have been nothing more than a few firecrackers and long range images of huge smudge pots burning in the distance. The fact that so much of this production capability is already back online makes me very suspicious. Didn’t the installation seem rather small in the satellite imaging for something that is supposedly so incredibly critical to Saudi production? Sad that I cannot trust anything I see or hear anymore.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Reactionary Utopian
  49. @Pontius

    I’m afraid that I have reached a point where I cannot dismiss the notion that the whole thing may have been nothing more than a few firecrackers and long range images of huge smudge pots burning in the distance. The fact that so much of this production capability is already back online makes me very suspicious. Didn’t the installation seem rather small in the satellite imaging for something that is supposedly so incredibly critical to Saudi production? Sad that I cannot trust anything I see or hear anymore.

    Very similar to my thought, when reading that the damaged site was being inspected by American and Saudi personnel. In advance, I don’t believe a single word that they will report, including “the” and “that.” At this point, we can pretty much take for granted that they’re lying.

  50. @Rurik

    Your comments are always well-reasoned and well-written, Rurik. Much respect, brother.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  51. Here is a little clarification.
    What you did see burning is not a critical installation. Saudi Arabia must have a thousands of therm.
    The complex is basically way station.
    It consists of tanks valves pumps and two headers.
    The purpose.
    Oil from one or several wells is pumped though header into these tanks.
    These tanks are basically storage and settling tanks. Oil remains in tanks for several days while impurities and tar particles settle at the bottom, than oil is pumped to refinery or port tanks that are part of export facilities. These tanks have to be periodically cleaned when settlements do reach certain level.
    So disabled one or two way stations for couple weeks is not something that will affect Saudi Arabia oil exports.
    I do think that it was a false flag in agreement with Saudis.
    But it still could be Iran’s doing
    But in this case because the damage is minimal. It could have only threatening purpose.
    In a sense that “look what we can do”.

  52. turtle says:
    @Rurik

    So Iran is stuck in a region with some of the world’s worst psychopathic rabid dogs, and on top of all that, is menaced constantly by the world’s ‘super power’

    Yep.
    And if you have the misfortune to live in a bad neighborhood, it would be prudent to pack some heat.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  53. Thirdeye says:
    @unit472

    You underestimate the Houthis’ capabilities and you overestimate what is required to make highly effective drones. What used to be exotic technology for control, guidance, and targeting is now common. Some killer drones cost as little as two thousand dollars to make.

    https://abaadstudies.org/pdf-25.html

    • Replies: @Richard P
  54. Thirdeye says:
    @unit472

    One has only to remember Iran pledged to the UK it would not deliver the oil onboard the tanker seized in Gibraltar to gain its release.

    No, that’s not what happened. The Iranians boarded a British tanker in the gulf and forced the Brits to back off. And frankly, oil deliveries from Iran to Syria are none of the Brits’ business anyway.

    • Replies: @Realist
  55. @anonymous

    Agreed and I also note that Pat, like the lying BBC, claims that the Houthis have been at war with the Saudis when even my dog knows that it is the Saudis that have been at war with the Houthis. Yemen is practically razed while the attacks on SA are in the news precisely because it’s a new development. That pretty much tells us whom it is waging war against whom.

  56. Truth3 says:

    False Flag.

    Yes, the Yemenites launched drones… they never got there.

    Israeli wet-work finished the job.

  57. Malla says:
    @Liberty Mike

    You just explained the difference in between the UKIP/EDL on one hand and the true patriotic BNP. The British Nationalist Party was destroyed as they refused to accept American Jew money and become a UKIP/EDL.

  58. Malla says:

    Yemen was much better when the Brits ran Aden. Aden was the Dubai of its time.

  59. A123 says:

    We have to keep waiting until there is veritable information. Right now the world is still experiencing Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt [FUD]. All of the early reports were about fires in the gasoline/diesel refinery area that prepared finished products for domestic consunption. Later stories reported that the crude stabilization facilities were hit, which would be a problem for exports. Fires spread, so it could be both.

    Even if there is an outage, it would be several months before actual consumption is impacted as there is:
    — Source country storage.
    — Floating storage (tankers in transit).
    — Receiving storage and blending (to optimize the feed stock before refining begins).
    — Strategic storage (such as the U.S. SPR).

    It is worth noting that the U.S. is a hydrocarbon exporter (albeit fairly small). Also, due to DNC refusal to approve pipelines, they accidentally created a lower-than-market cost protected area due to the bottleneck at Cushing, Oklahoma. It seems counterintuitive, but a major Gulf outage would actually strengthen the U.S. versus its competitors. Trade predator China is a major oil importer.
    _____

    Potentially the biggest winner is DNC candidate Andrew Yang. He has been talking about the need for reviving the U.S. Nuclear industry with Thorium based electricity.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/09/17/2020-democrat-president-climate-change-andrew-yang-nuclear-power-column/2342031001/

    PEACE 😇

  60. Paul says:

    The U.S. supported Saudi dictatorship has long engaged in terrorist attacks on Yemen.

  61. Art says:

    Trump is intellectually no match for the Iranians – they have totally out maneuvered him.

    The whole world knows who started, and is responsible for this mess – TRUMP. His voiding the Iran nuke deal has led to this situation.

    “Locked and Loaded” is bombast. Any more escalation and Trump can kiss 2020 away. No one in the US, except Jews, Zionists, and those who suck off them, wants a war (even the generals).

    Trump, Netanyahu, and MBS are all behind the eight ball and in a weak position.

    The damage from a dozen missiles in Saudi is staggering. Israel has 10,000 pointed at them.

    The ball is in Trump’s court – it is time to eat crow.

    Think Peace — DO NO HARM — Art

    • Replies: @A123
  62. buckwheat says:

    Fuck the Saudi’s and their oil. This is not our problem.

  63. Richard P says:

    Want to see who the real terrorists are? Look to the West. As for Iran; it’s their nation, their traditions, and their culture. This isn’t a matter for the Western interventionists to decide. Furthermore, the recent oilfield attacks were most likely carried out by Houthi rebels as retaliation for the genocide that the Saudis are commiting in Yemen or by Mossad operatives to weaken the peace talks between Tehran and Washington. War against Iran — and especially a weakened Iran, would greatly benefit the Yinon and Seven Nations Plans.

    Moreover, the USA has exported more oil this year than Saudi Arabia and Russia. The threats of war against Iran aren’t about oil, but rather Israeli appeasement.

    Nonetheless, Trump is a shill to Israel, bombed Assad, and embraces Saudi Arabia. Three strikes and he’s out.

  64. A123 says:
    @Art

    Trump is intellectually no match for the Iranians – they have totally out maneuvered him.

    ROTFL — Trump has been manipulating the violent and intellectually inferior Iranian leadership for some time now. One tanker + Gibraltar provoked Ayatollah Killmania to hold hostage Indian nationals that were operating the Stena Impero. The Indians were looking at breaking sanctions to buy Iranian oil. 0% chance of that now.

    The damage from a dozen missiles in Saudi is staggering. Israel has 10,000 pointed at them.

    There is a great deal of difference between a missile and a rocket. There are relatively few missiles pointed at Israel, lots of Katyusha pattern rockets of various sizes. Iranian al’Hamas rockets have killed more Gaza residents than Israelis. They tend to go off during transport and set-up killing weapons crews. And 10%+ fall short, landing on the innocent human shields that al’Hamas cower behind.

    If Iranian al’Hezbollah tries a first strike with its primitive arsenal they will kill hundreds possibly thousands of Lebanese with ‘friendly fire’. Then the inevitable Israeli response will kill thousands more. If Iranian al’Hezbollah loses 100:1 in an engagement with Israel, guess who wins….. TRUMP WINS…. Such as strike will give Putin and Assad the needed leverage to force Iranian troops out of Syria.

    The ball is in Trump’s court – it is time to eat crow.

    The Saudi’s, with or without U.S. help, are going to strike back at Ayatollah Killmania at a time and location of their choosing. The Islamic National Socialist Republic of Iran has no chance of effective resistance. They only have a limited number of Russian and Chinese manufactured munitions, and those will quickly be consumed.

    Then the ball will be in the Iranian Military’s court — time to make peace.

    Get rid of the deranged Ayatollah. Or, condemn hundreds of thousands of innocent Iranian civilians to death in a Shia-Sunni war that the badly out numbered Shia cannot hope to win. All it takes, one Iranian General with a pistol at the right time, in the right place, and the failed horror of the National Socialist Revolution will come to an end.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  65. I really don’t know if the Houthis have the capability to do real damage to a Saudi oil refinery. My thinking is that Deep State operatives are behind it and will blame Iran because they are afraid of the economic reset that Trump wants to implement.

  66. Realist says:
    @Amerimutt Golems

    These amputees could could have avoided this horrible situation if they hadn’t fallen for the US propaganda of Warriors to Defend America. Nothing could be farther from the truth, which is; this country is a god damn hegemonic, war mongering country.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  67. Realist says:

    The US crapped on Iran in 1953, by overthrowing their government and installing a US puppet. Iran finally broke free from US hegemony in 1979…the US has been pissed about the loss of control of Iranian oil ever since.

  68. Realist says:
    @Thirdeye

    No, that’s not what happened. The Iranians boarded a British tanker in the gulf and forced the Brits to back off. And frankly, oil deliveries from Iran to Syria are none of the Brits’ business anyway.

    Or anyone else’s business either.

  69. Realist says:
    @bjondo

    Get rid of Pompeo. Replace with Rand Paul.

    Or Tulsi Gabbard.

  70. Richard P says: • Website

    I suggest Merlin Miller of the American Freedom Party. He was nominated to run for president in 2012 and visited Iran – meeting with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He also worked with Ron Paul.

  71. @unit472

    The Saudi army is problematic but what might work, mollify Saudi public opinion and cost Iran is for Saudi Arabia to invade and annex Qatar.

    Hardly. I doubt Saudis could do anything in “hot” war with Iran.

    • Replies: @Art
  72. @WorkingClass

    SO? Trump Voters got shafted as they’re getting what Clinton promised after all and Trump is making them buy it. When/if he decides to start a war with Iran, they will back him. Voters are mostly idiots. Same with Brexit. Having the right opinion does not mean you arrived at it convincingly or for the right reasons.

  73. Richard P says:
    @Thirdeye

    You’re correct to notate that one shouldn’t underestimate the Houthi rebels. I’ve done extensive research on them in part of a thesis. They’re highly capable, especially when it comes to their collaboration with Al-Shabaab in the Horn of Africa.

  74. Corvinus says:

    “The real question now is what do the Americans do when the source of the attack is known and the call for a commensurate response is put directly to our “locked-and-loaded” president.”

    There will be no war. It is more posturing and bluster by Trump.

  75. @Malla

    KSA is a dysfunctional anachronism, and you can bet TPTB are planning for “reform.” I doubt they’d ever do a Gadaffi on MBS, but if he really believes they are going to let him become King in more than just name, he’s a bigger fool than he looks.

    At least he should thank Allah it won’t be Mrs. Clinton gleefully cackling over his corpse like she did over Gadaffi’s.

    • Replies: @Malla
  76. MEexpert says:
    @A123

    Trump has been manipulating the violent and intellectually inferior Iranian leadership for some time now.

    A123 what are you smoking? Trump is no match for the Iranians. Just listen to Trump’s statements. One moment he is “locked and loaded,” the next moment he is talking peace. These are not the statements of a sane man.

    Get rid of the deranged Ayatollah. Or, condemn hundreds of thousands of innocent Iranian civilians to death in a Shia-Sunni war that the badly out numbered Shia cannot hope to win.

    The only people who are deranged are A123 and Netanyahu and the US policy makers. Iranians are consistent in their statements. Only the US changes its statements by the hour. Trump is bad mouthing Bolton and vice versa. Now Pompeo is blaming Trump for this mess. Some sane people.

    I have yet to see a Sunni win a war against Shia. Why haven’t the Sunni Middle Eastern regimes gotten together and attack Iran? Like the Israeli cowards, the Middle Eastern monarchs want US to attack Iran for them. They don’t have the balls to do it themselves.

    • Replies: @Assad al-islam
  77. Old Prude says:

    Why is this our problem, again? Why don’t Germany, or China, or Japan, or Korea or Brazil or India attack Iran? They use oil, don’t they? Why can’t we please be a normal country and mind our own business and let the rest of the world worry about bickering Persians and Arabs. Of all the countries in the world, we can most afford to ignore this stuff, and yet of all the countries in the world we do the most [counter-productive] meddling.

  78. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old Prude

    Because we (the real we) and our (the real our) interests aren’t what concern Uncle Sam.

    Don’t fall for or use Mr. Buchanan’s pronoun propaganda.

  79. @Realist

    It is sad to see good men and women let themselves be persuaded into pointlessly throwing their health and well being away, especially for less than nothing.

    Our American leadership, (on both sides of the aisle), is criminal.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Rurik
  80. Rurik says:
    @turtle

    it would be prudent to pack some heat.

    As an American, I’d prefer a thousand times over for Iran to have nukes, than the murderous, genocidal, tribal supremacist-on acid-psychopathic Israel.

    I don’t know of any Persians who’re demanding that Western civilization commit suicide, as Ms. Spectre (and her tribe of supremacists) are demanding.

    Were their any Persians seen ‘dancing’ and ‘high-fiving’ when American citizens were consumed in fireballs on 9/11?

    Did the Iranian president blurt out on 9/11 – about the atrocity – that “It’s very good” ?

    How many Iranian “art students” were caught waging espionage on America during 9/11?

    Has Iran attacked and bombed and tried to steal the territory of its neighbors since its revolution?

    Has it sent assassins to execute scientists or human rights activists, like how Israel executed the American citizen on the Mavi Marva?

    Comparing Iran to Israel, is like comparing food to strychnine. Iran should be selling us oil, and buying our weapons to defend itself from the House of Saud orcs funding the head-slicers of ISIS.

    It’s all ass-backwards. America is on the side of pure evil, in that region.

    If only Americans knew.

    • Agree: turtle
    • Replies: @Truth3
    , @Malla
  81. Realist says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Our American leadership, (on both sides of the aisle), is criminal.

    Agreed.

  82. Rurik says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    It is sad to see good men and women let themselves be persuaded into pointlessly throwing their health and well being away, especially for less than nothing.

    Pat Tillman was a true American hero.

    A man willing to sacrifice a glorious career and millions as a sports superstar, (up to and including his own life) to avenge those who perished horribly in the beyond-heinous crime of 9/11.

    He was the best stuff an American can be made of.

    And it was for that reason that (((the regime))) but three bullets into his forehead at close range.

    Because he too figured out that we were all lied to about 9/11.

    It’s beyond sad and tragic, to see a man like that assassinated by the government he was willing to give his life to serve. Only to discover (too late) that the (((government))) he was serving were the same people who slaughtered all those Americans on that day.

    “It’s very good”.

    If Americans only knew..

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  83. @MEexpert

    I have yet to see a Sunni win a war against Shia.

    Great to see you brother. Those who follow Hussain, don’t give up easily. There are snakes with forked tongues who hate itrat deep down there in their guts. But unfortunately, they are gutless.

  84. @Old Prude

    If the GloboHomo Corporate Empire can gain control of Iran’s oil, they will use that to gain control over China and drive Europe even deeper into vassalage.

  85. Malla says:
    @Rurik

    America is on the side of pure evil, in that region.

    Unfortunately America has been on the side of pure evil many times last century.

    • Agree: Rurik
  86. Malla says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    At least he should thank Allah it won’t be Mrs. Clinton gleefully cackling over his corpse like she did over Gadaffi’s.

    That woman is pure unadulterated evil. Her laughter over Qaddafi’s death was literally Satanic.

  87. @Rurik

    This gun -grabber Gabbi thinks that the US military’s fealty is to the Constitution? Wtf Rurik she’s a lifetime dutiful tool of global bankster inc.
    Hilarious… “ my brothers and sisters took an oath” ( to enforce global degeneracy and usury on behalf of you know who)

    • Replies: @Rurik
  88. @Rurik

    Tillman wasn’t very smart. He bought into the childish cartoon that is – and always was -the official 9/11 narrative. Who could by into such dumb bullshit when you can see with your own 2 lying eyes – a missile hitting the Pentagon.
    Somebody upstream in comments wryly observed Jewish supremacists easily maneuver their dumb English hounds and their rabid American mastiffs into doing their heavy lifting.

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @Rurik
  89. Rurik says:
    @Stonehands

    Wtf Rurik she’s a lifetime dutiful tool of global bankster inc.

    How can she be both a tool of (((global bankster inc.))), and be anti-war?

    Unless her whole anti-war message is a ruse, but then what’s the point?

    It’s her anti-war message that is driving the ‘Ron Paul’ treatment she’s getting from the ((press)), and the DNC.

    If she were silent on the Eternal WarsⓊ, then they’d treat her like a serious candidate. But it’s her intractable insistence that the Eternal WarsⓊ are a folly, for why they’re shutting her out.

    “ my brothers and sisters took an oath” ( to enforce global degeneracy …

    She has come out against third trimester abortions unless the health of the mother is at risk.

    That doesn’t sound too ‘global degeneracy’ to me. It’s almost as if she has a conscience and a moral compass.

    Don’t worry, I haven’t lost my cynicism, I know she’ll serve the beast if they let her win, but at least her rhetoric is a thousand times better than the rest of the Democrat scum, who for all intents and purposes, don’t even know that America is fighting the Eternal WarsⓊ. Such things are not even on their radar when it comes to the important things like giving free health care to billions of Third Worlders. disarming all law-abiding men and women in America, banning gender and imposing the Social Justice Carbon Tax.

    She’s against the wars, and wants to bring our troops home.

    She’s against late term abortions, and this must be as egregious to the infanticide party as anything else.

    She may be a ruse, but at least I approve of her anti-war message, and other things, like she’s not as shrill as Bernie or Beto or the rest of the commies.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Stonehands
  90. Art says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The Saudi army is problematic but what might work, mollify Saudi public opinion and cost Iran is for Saudi Arabia to invade and annex Qatar.

    Hardly. I doubt Saudis could do anything in “hot” war with Iran.

    When are people going to get it? The Saudis are not warriors. The Saudi royals fear a standing military. They hire mercenaries to do their fighting.

    The closest a Saudi royal gets to war, is having a foreign half-slave, polish his ceremonial sword.

    That is true of all the Arab royals. Saddam when through Kuwait like butter in 1990. It is preposterous to think that Saudi will attack Iran.

    Think Peace (an expression of Christian hope) — Art

  91. Art says:
    @Rurik

    Unless her whole anti-war message is a ruse, but then what’s the point?

    It’s her anti-war message that is driving the ‘Ron Paul’ treatment she’s getting from the ((press)), and the DNC.

    If she were silent on the Eternal WarsⓊ, then they’d treat her like a serious candidate. But it’s her intractable insistence that the Eternal WarsⓊ are a folly, for why they’re shutting her out.

    Is Gabbard’s free speech suit against Google – a ruse?

    Is Gabbard’s calling Trump – “Saudi’s bitch” – a ruse?

    She was the lead in attacking the regime change wars (now all the Dem candidates are copying her).

    She has been doing these things for a solid year – it is time for honest people to give her credit.

    Clearly Tulsi Gabbard is a person with mainstream pro American values (left, right, and center).

    Think Peace (Christian hope) — Art

    • Replies: @Rurik
  92. @Rurik

    Until I hear a candidate clearly express support for the 2nd Amendment in accordance with the intent of the founders, that candidate is not a trustworthy option. Period. Her own “official” websites indicate just the opposite. Not a tiny bit of support from me.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  93. Amy says:
    @anonymous

    I read an AP article that also called it a “pearl habor type attack”. Thought it was really odd at the time. Now to see Pat on the same page (sigh)… So did this surprise attack kill thousands? Is it a surprise when you are waging a war with your neighbor and a campaign of baiting and aggression with another?

    • Replies: @Herald
  94. Miro23 says:
    @Old Prude

    Of all the countries in the world, we can most afford to ignore this stuff, and yet of all the countries in the world we do the most [counter-productive] meddling.

    Because it’s not your country. The US is a Jewish colonial possession and the US people are used to fight, and are indebted to pay for Israel’s wars.

    The actual problem with Iran is that the credit has run out, and that the US couldn’t handle the economic fallout of a full Iran/Saudi/US war. It’s just a Zionist cost-benefit analysis. Half of them live in the US and calculate that they themselves would be harmed by an economic meltdown.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  95. Rurik says:
    @Art

    I agree Art

    Her anti-war message is in dire need today. Just as it was for Ron Paul, and she’s being given the ‘Ron Paul’ treatment for the same reason.

    The scumfucks want to keep the Eternal WarsⓊ going, as long as they’re perceived as being ‘good for the Jews’.

    mainstream pro American values

    Not even sure I know what that means anymore.

    The church where George Washington worshiped, has taken down a plaque that used to honor him. Now they’re ashamed that he worshiped in their church.

    Hard to know what “mainstream pro American values” are, when the church George Washington worshiped at denies him as just another dead evil white man to be spat upon.

    Perhaps next they’ll replace the crucifix with a statue of Colin Kaepernick kneeling.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @turtle
  96. Rurik says:
    @Stonehands

    Until I hear a candidate clearly express support for the 2nd Amendment in accordance with the intent of the founders, that candidate is not a trustworthy option. Period

    Do you think Mitt Romney would hesitate for one second to outlaw guns if he figured doing so would bolster his personal fortunes?

    Or Donald Trump, for that matter?

    If Americans counted on politicians to protect their Second Amendment right, then perhaps they don’t deserves it.

    Our right to defend ourselves from thugs (including especially government thugs), isn’t dependent upon the whim of a politician. But rather comes to us from our Creator, and the day we’re willing to relinquish it because a politician says so, is the day we no longer deserve it.

    The only reason Trump hasn’t taken the guns yet, is because he knows, (as they all do), that if they try to take American’s guns, they’ll have a second bloody civil war on their hands.

    Tulsi’s gun stance is nuanced. But her stance on reparations means that I could not possibly support her campaign.

    Not because of the money, but because of the principle. I lost all respect for my government when they implemented Affirmative Action. America’s government and institutions were and are rotten to the core.

    But I support Tulsi’s anti-war message with all my heart.

    It’s not about the corrupt politicians. They’re whores.

    It’s about us. And saying No! to the Eternal WarsⓊ.

  97. Rurik says:
    @Miro23

    It’s just a Zionist cost-benefit analysis.

    yep

    Only not just Zionist.

    Their cost-benefit analysis goes far beyond just Israel. Barbara Spectre and her ilk are actually hurting Zionism with their advocacy for mass-Muslim immigration into Europe and N. America.

    The more Muslims in Sweden, the less sympathy for Zionism.

    Their unhinged, genocidal hatred for Europeans trumps even their hatred for Palestinians.

    So as they calculate the pros and cons of a war on Iran, all of their petty hatreds and greed and crazed lust for power, all gets weighed and measured for maximum benefit.

    At the end of the day, will a war on Iran be ‘good for the Jews’.
    .

    • Replies: @turtle
  98. Herald says:
    @Amy

    Nothing new about Pat stealthily unfurling the war banner as he goes about his grubby business.

    Pat also never misses an opportunity to push his ever so ridiculous theory, that although US governments may make many mistakes, they are nevertheless always the good guys in any given situation.

    He cannot ever be taken seriously. Perhaps Ron should attach a health warning to his articles.

  99. Art says:
    @Rurik

    mainstream pro American values

    Not even sure I know what that means anymore.

    Thanks Rurik,

    I think Gabbard’s lefty stances (which I do not share) are genuine – but that generally they are not extreme. She stops at birth day abortions. She is not for throwing millions of folks off their health care plans. She is saying today what the eventual candidate will say in the election.

    She is the unacknowledged leader of the Dems. In the last Dem debate, all the candidates took her position on regime change wars. Zilla Kamila is toast, and the pro war guy is long gone. Calling Trump “Saudi’s bitch” puts her ahead of all the rest.

    Cannot believe that she does not get 2% of the Dems in the polls?????????????????????

    Art

  100. turtle says:
    @Stonehands

    always was

    Is, was, and always will be.
    Evidence? What evidence?
    We doan’ need no steenking evidence.

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  101. turtle says:
    @Rurik

    Her anti-war message is in dire need today. Just as it was for Ron Paul, and she’s being given the ‘Ron Paul’ treatment for the same reason.

    Yep.

  102. turtle says:
    @Rurik

    At the end of the day, will a war on Iran be ‘good for the Jews’.

    It certainly would not be, if it was attempted by the Israeli Armed (excuse me, “Defense”) Forces.
    No doubt they are willing to fight to the last U.S. soldier.

    In the fullness of time, it may come to pass that enough intelligent, non-chauvinistic Jewish people (not resident in the “State of Israel”) will reach the conclusion that the “State of Israel” is a) an anachronism, and b) not good for their tribe, on balance. If, or when, that day comes, the “State of Israel’s” days will be numbered, and the number may be very small.

    I would not look for that result in the immediate future, absent some cataclysmic event. However, all things pass away…
    .

  103. Rurik says:
    @Stonehands

    Tillman wasn’t very smart. He bought into the childish cartoon that is – and always was -the official 9/11 narrative. Who could by into such dumb bullshit when you can see with your own 2 lying eyes – a missile hitting the Pentagon.

    I don’t recall seeing any video of the explosion at the Pentagon until years after the attack.

    And the video I’ve seen was indecisive.

    You’re suggesting that all Americans saw clear video evidence of a missile hitting the Pentagon shortly after the attack, and I find that suggestion suspect at best.

    There are a lot of reasonably smart people who still believe Islamic terrorists flew planes into those buildings on that day. They’re not of a skeptical bent, and get their news from traditional sources, but that doesn’t make them de facto imbeciles. Gullible and naïve, but normal IQ.

    When and where did you see clear evidence of a missile hitting the Pentagon?

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  104. @Rurik

    There is a similar one second video from a different angle, I’ve seen again recently and will poke around for a link.

    The puts on AA stock, the steel being shipped out immediately to China…

    The recent lawlessness regarding the Epstein episode is case in point: You are a wageslave and .gov is the pimp- you will get beaten senseless, killed, audited and your property confiscated- unless you cough up half the goods. Hard to believe that everyone hasn’t heard of Smedly Butler, why would anyone ever rush into a firefight on behalf of these wall st. CSer’s?

    There never was rule of law. It’s always been the golden rule – he has the gold rules. Caveat emptor.

    As for the original premis.
    Did that white streak ever “scale” to you? A 757? Looks small, way too small, although it is a fuel explosion.

    Man, when they released that one measly video l thought they were just mocking the slaves, just like the Epstein episode.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  105. @turtle

    Hello turtle.

    No SEC investigation of shady “puts “ on AA stock prior to the attack.

    Steel ( evidence) trucked to Staten Island and immediately shipped out to China.

    The dodgy, el cheapo 9/11 commission itself.

    19 Saudi nationals commit the attack, US responds with demolition of Iran/Afghanistan and the squandering of trillions of dollars ( Bandar Bush gets a pass)

    Air space is closed down through the whole continental US so the Bin Laden family can safely and comfortably extracted from the crime scene.

    And so on.

    Another in your face sham.

    And why should l, a mere wagewhore- think otherwise?

    Do you think your pimp government gives a fat -dead -rats -ass about you?

    • Replies: @turtle
  106. turtle says:
    @Stonehands

    Do you think your pimp government gives a fat -dead -rats -ass about you?

    My point exactly.
    Shall we go on?
    1. Air defenses for NE U.S. stood down, jets sent as far away as Alaska.
    When jets were scrambled (tardy, see #2 below) they were sent out over the Atlantic Ocean, away from the action.
    2. Simulated hijacking put bogus blips on Boston ATCs screens simultaneous with the real thing, causing confusion, and delayed air defense response. Strange f*ing coincidence, or high level crime…you decide. FWIW, AF Chief of Staff, Gen. Myers, promoted to Chairman of Joint Chiefs, effective 13 Sept. (New Pearl Harbor? Not exactly. Recall the fate of Adm Kimmel & Gen Short, for comparison.)
    3. Mis-characterization of events as “acts of war,” rather than CRIMES, which they were, thus legitimizing the destruction of evidence, which would otherwise be a criminal act.
    4. Explosions in the towers prior to aircraft impact.
    5. Multiple steel columns in Bldg. 7 cut off at an angle at ~4′ above grade, with cutting slag on the cuts, photographed in the late afternoon sun of 11 Sept.
    6. Molten steel in the debris pile. Not possible from jet fuel & building contents conflagration.
    7. High heat signature of debris pile photographed by satellite for months after the attack, far exceeding heat which could be generated by jet fuel and building contents fire.
    8. Etc.

  107. Rurik says:
    @Stonehands

    The puts on AA stock, the steel being shipped out immediately to China…

    the litany is endless, Stonehands.

    One of the first things that struck me was how the President and Commander in Chief of the United States military was allowed to sit in a classroom reading about pet goats for 20 minutes after it was established that our nation was under attack.

    This was the first piece of evidence for me to understand that it was all a sham.

    If 9/11 was an actual surprise attack on our nation and potentially the leadership infrastructure, then the president, whose whereabouts were well know, would have been considered a target and immediately whisked into a secure limo and raced to the nearest secure site.

    Instead he sat there,

    or more to the point, was allowed to sit there for nearly half an hour, as the nation was under attack.

    I remember telling my mom, ‘if this were for real, they would have rushed him to safety and told him what they knew and awaited his instructions on what to do, after being advised by his experts.

    But no one in power had any interest whatsoever for whatever idiocy the president of the ZUS might offer. ‘Just keep him in the classroom and out of our hair’.

    The recent lawlessness regarding the Epstein episode is case in point

    It’s in our face.

    They don’t even hide their flagrant criminality anymore, because there’s no honest person left at any level of power.

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