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Facing a Parliamentary majority opposed to a hard Brexit — a crashing out of the EU if Britain is not offered a deal she can live with — Boris Johnson took matters into his own hands.

He went to the Queen at Balmoral and got Parliament “prorogued,” suspended, from Sept. 12 to Oct. 14. That’s two weeks before the Oct. 31 deadline Johnson has set for Britain’s departure.

The time his opposition in Parliament has to prevent a crash out of the European Union has just been sliced in half. His adversaries are incensed.

The speaker of the House of Commons called Johnson’s action “a constitutional outrage.” Johnson’s Tory Party leader in Scotland resigned. Labor Party Leader Jeremy Corbyn said Parliament will start legislating Tuesday to block Johnson.

There is talk of a no-confidence vote in the Tory government.

One recalls the counsel Benjamin Jowett, Master of Balliol, gave his students: Never retract, never explain, just do it and let them howl! For Johnson has done what he was chosen, and pledged, to do.

Though he lacks a majority for a “no-deal Brexit,” his suspension of Parliament keeps faith with the hardline Tories who put their trust in him — that he would honor his commitment to get done by October’s end what the British people voted to do in 2016.

Whatever may be said of him, Johnson has shown himself as a man of action, a risk-taker, a doer, like Trump, who has hailed Johnson for the suspension. And leaders like Johnson are today shouldering aside the cookie-cutter politicians to dominate the world stage.

Matteo Salvini, interior minister, leader of the League party, and the most popular political figure in Italy, brought down his own government to force new elections he felt he would win. His ambition is to take the leadership not only of Italy but of the European populist right.

Salvini’s boldness backfired when the League’s ex-partner in the government, the leftist Five Star Movement, joined the Democratic Party to form a new government from which the League is excluded.

Yet Salvini, too, is in the mold of Trump and Vladimir Putin, who, when he saw a U.S.-backed coup take down the pro-Russian president in Ukraine, seized Crimea, home port of Russia’s Black Sea fleet since the 18th century.

These leaders are men of action not words. And their countrymen are cheering their decisiveness.

India’s Narendra Modi is in the mold. After reelection, he revoked Article 370 of India’s constitution that guaranteed special rights to the Muslim-majority in Kashmir, a state over which India and Pakistan have fought two wars. To effect the annexation of Kashmir, Modi sent thousands of troops into the disputed territory, imposed a curfew, shut down the internet and arrested political leaders.

When Prime Minister Imran Khan asked Trump to intervene on Pakistan’s behalf, Trump, meeting with Modi at the G-7, called it a matter between the two countries.

While autocrats appear ascendant, there is another phenomenon of our time: popular uprisings and mass demonstrations as shortcuts to political change.

ORDER IT NOW

These began to flourish with the Arab Spring in Tunisia and Egypt in 2011, the latter of which brought down President Hosni Mubarak after 30 years in power. The Cairo revolution and subsequent election brought to power Mohammed Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood. This was intolerable to the Egyptian army, which executed a coup that led to new elections and the installation of the present ruler and former general Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi.

In 2014 came the protests in Maidan Square that led to the ouster of the pro-Russian government in Kiev and loss of Crimea.

This year saw mass demonstrations in Puerto Rico bring down the government in San Juan. In France, the Yellow Vest movement, rebelling against a fuel tax Emmanuel Macron imposed to cut carbon emissions, flooded the streets for months, demonstrating, rioting, even vandalizing the heart of Paris to get it repealed.

Then there is Hong Kong, a city of 7 million claimed by a China of 1.4 billion, where scores of thousands, even millions, have protested, blocked streets, shut down businesses and closed the airport.

The Hong Kong demonstrators are demanding what the 13 colonies demanded: freedom, liberty, independence. But as Xi Jinping is very much an authoritarian autocrat, the protesters are pushing their luck.

What motivates the democratic protesters and what propels the rise and welcome reception of the autocrats, the men of action, is not all that dissimilar.

It is impatience, a sense that the regime is out of touch, that it does not reflect or respond to what people want, that it is torpid and cannot act decisively, that it does not “get things done,” that it is tedious and boring.

Part of Trump’s appeal to his base is that people sense he feels exactly as they do. And they readily understand why Trump would not want to sit down at a G-7 gathering and gas endlessly about climate change.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:

    It rained endlessly because of climate change, mostly on those who endlessly deny reality, but no use to “gas” about it, you might learn something.

  2. Regarding Matteo Salvini – There is a story in Italian media, suggesting that Salvini may have been cleverly set up by Denis Verdini, banker father of a Salvini girlfriend, Francesca Verdini

    Denis Verdini has quite a lot of high Italian political connections, and the suggestion is that, Salvini was given a misleading impression that by dissolving his current government coalition with 5-Star, Italian political leaders would quickly allow new elections in which the popular Salvini would triumph and be able to take full charge of the Italian government

    Salvini perhaps was led into a trap by the pro-EU forces, who were maybe already lined up behind Salvini’s back, ready to form a new pro-EU government without elections and minus Salvini and his party

    This possible duping of Salvini echoes the scene in the Godfather movies, the Marlon Brando character warns his son, “You will be approached by someone you trust completely …” In Italian:
    https://www.liberoquotidiano.it/news/politica/13493756/matteo-salvini-denis-verdini-ritiro-casa-firenze-consiglio-lega-governo-scopo.html

    Regarding the Egyptian army overthrow of the democratically-elected Morsi Muslim Brotherhood government – it is worth noting that military strongman General and now Egyptian President Al-Sisi, is in fact Jewish, his mother a Moroccan Jew with family ties to the Israeli government, Al-Sisi possibly a long-term Mossad mole now ruling Egypt for Israel’s benefit:
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/16/al-sisi-jew/

    • Replies: @Mister Bob
  3. Unfortunately Johnson is just another fraud. Mr. Buchanan seems to believe what Johnson’s “opponents” believe – or at least pretend to believe – ie. that Johnson is trying to impose the will of the majority of the people over a recalcitrant, non-representative, anti-democratic parliament. The fact is that Britain isn’t leaving the E.U. And Johnson has put himself in a position whereby if the E.U. tweaks Teresa May’s “deal” (this will be represented as a major concession to Britain), he, and presumably parliament, will sign up to it. That “deal”, tweaked or otherwise, will keep Britain as a province of the E.U. until the whole thing finally goes the way of all other empires, and nobody knows how long that will be nor how much damage it will have done in the interim. The whole process of leaving the E.U. is fraudulent and that includes this recent phony outrage among some parliamentarians and the concomitant whipped-up hysteria among the gullible masses.

    Johnson isn’t acting unconstitutionally by the way (Mr. Buchanan doesn’t say he is, though other sources may have suggested it), though he is playing the system a bit. But nobody should be deluded that he is playing the system to get Britain out – he is playing it to keep Britain in!

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  4. Renoman says:

    Fortune favors the Bold! The hand wringers will get nowhere. The protester’s in Hong Kong will go to a “camp”, Briton will leave the EU and the EU will fall apart, immigrants will be sent home and boatloads in the Med will be sunk, the days of Horse shit are almost behind us now, War is a comin.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    , @Herald
  5. swamped says:

    “To effect the annexation of Kashmir, Modi sent thousands of troops into the disputed territory, imposed a curfew, shut down the internet and arrested political leaders”…this goes way far beyond anything any of the other ‘populist’ pol’s have done or even contemplated. This is not “in the mold”, this shatters the mold; this is not populism, it’s outright fascism. India’s behaviour in Kashmir is & has been indefensible. Unlike in Crimea, Modi (&other Indian PM’s before him) refuses to allow a referendum. The Indian army in Kashmir is in effect, an occupying army & guilty of many of the same ruthless crimes as Israel in Palestine or China in Tibet. This is not what populism is about & Modi does not deserve such a whitewashing for his unwarranted brutality in occupied Kashmir. Sadly, the world has seen this before from Modi in the past in Gujurat. On this situation anyway, Kahn unfortunately is right.

    • Replies: @Anonniau
    , @Pater
  6. The rise in populism precedes major conflict. The question is: does the move to populism lead to war? Or does the move to war lead to populism? Not to question the grievances or dreams of protesters, but the consequences of our actions can often make conditions worse rather than better. Have the hopes of the Arab Spring in 2011 been realized throughout the region? When taking action it is important to examine the pattern of history, and its implications.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  7. @anon

    Graphs of observation and opinions are not evidence of climate change ….

    • Replies: @anon
  8. Maybe Trump and BoJo are Agent Provacateurs who are bringing the Western World to its knees and thereby ultimately discrediting the reactionary nationalist populist forces in the eyes of the masses schooled by our MSM in the evils of WEMs and national sovereignty, so that a beautiful dictatorship of the New World Order can finally lead us to the Globalist promised land.

    What else explains Trump talking a good populist game but accomplishing nothing of any import to America First or even his own best interests? Certainly not the begging off of a Comey prosecution for even the most minor of offences. Trump’s supporters get multiple §1001 convictions, while Comey goes on TV, laughs at us, and demands an apology.

    • Replies: @Sbaker
    , @Buck Ransom
  9. ‘The Hong Kong demonstrators are demanding what the 13 colonies demanded: freedom, liberty, independence. ‘

    Thanks to Chris Patten and HM Government, Hong Kong demonstrators have as much freedom, liberty, independence as we do.

    To ice their democratic cake, they have British judges, British police officers and their official language is English. How much more democratic can you get?

    Thanks to their freedom, liberty, independence they have as much economic stagnation, homelessness and child poverty (all unknown on the Mainland) as Britain and the US do.

    Fair’s fair.

    • Replies: @Smith
  10. And Paddy’s bullshit continues,

    Putin did not “seize Crimea”.

    Hong Kong is not “claimed by China” it is Chinese.

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  11. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @swamped

    Did you not read the article, particularly the concluding paragraph suggesting that Trump voters think is a waste of time to consider climate change? What Pat doesn’t realize is that only 30% of Trump voters are climate science deniers, and over half of Trump’s voters openly agree that the climate change science is valid. I’m one of them. It’s “tedious and boring” to deny science. I’ll correct Patrick here:

    Source: Trump Voters & Global Warming, Yale University, Feb 6, 2017
    https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications/trump-voters-global-warming/2/

    • Replies: @Felix Krull
  12. Realist says:
    @swamped

    wtf?

    The guy’s a dumbass.

  13. G. Poulin says:

    I wish WE had a queen who would suspend OUR useless, bought-and-paid-for parliament. Only permanently, not just for a few weeks.

  14. Anonniau says:
    @swamped

    You dumfuck the UN resolution calls for Pakistan to remove troops.

    Pakistan has ethnically cleansed its side of the country you dirty inbred Turk.

    In Gujarat muslims literally burnt a train full of Hindu children returning from a pilgrimage.

    Modi, the cuck, called the army within 24 hrs of the rioting.

    Anyway,

    Raaj Karega Khalsa
    Aaki Rahe Na Koi

  15. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    Says the cretin who cannot yet say what physical quantity melts ice on a global scale. Even the Trump Administration confirms that ice is melting on a global scale. What is causing it? You’ll have to remember what the teacher said in that first grade science lesson!

    Mike Pompeo claims rapidly melting Arctic sea ice could actually be a good thing, as it will create ‘new opportunities for trade’
    Business Insider | May 7, 2019
    https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-pompeo-melting-sea-ice-presents-new-trade-opportunities-2019-5

  16. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    I see, scientific evidence isn’t regarded as evidence to halfwit reality-deniers like yourself. But we knew that already. Meanwhile, as hard as you try to close your eyes to the world around you, even the Trump Administration forecasts 7°F of global warming by 2100.

    The Trump Administration Forecasts 7 Degrees Fahrenheit of Global Warming by 2100
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a23516268/trump-nhtsa-global-warming-2100/

    • Replies: @Rurik
  17. Sbaker says:
    @anon

    Stick with the subject matter kid. We get it. You think a century of data represents AGW for the last billion years. The subject is decisive leadership. Grow up.

    • Replies: @anon
  18. Sbaker says:
    @The Alarmist

    You say “maybe”. There is a maybe to every motivation. The market, and the economy say otherwise–Trump is doing a good job in light of the establishment and their media empire doing all in their power to kill him.

    • Replies: @Futurethirdworlder
  19. @Bill Jones

    Agreed. Mr. Buchanan lumps Mr. Trump in with Mr. Putin as decisive men of action. Yet candidate Trump talked of the need for peace with Russia. President Trump, however, quickly bowed to powerful Deep State forces arrayed against any idea of a thawing of icy relations with those evil Commies. As soon as the vile Nikki Haley was installed as Trump’s pick for UN Ambassador, she took to the floor and demanded that Russia give back Crimea.

    Were Trump’s actions, fresh out of the gate, the actions of a strong leader with deeply held convictions? Or were they the actions of an opportunist? It is said that a president is never more popular or powerful than when first elected. If that is the case, then Trump demonstrated extreme weakness when he caved to his opponents. In his first one hundred days, he had a window of opportunity ignore the presstitutes and to pursue civility with Russia. He not only failed but he didn’t even try. Trump will never be a strong leader in my eyes.

    I call B.S. on Mr. B. OTOH, it is quite possible that Trump was scared to death when he was reminded of what happened to an uppity JFK, who dared to speak of peace with the USSR. And, if that is the case, then all hope is lost and the Republic is doomed.

  20. @Sbaker

    I didn’t vote for Trump for the market. I’m not on wallstreet so I don’t care. The market needs to burn. The better the market the sicker we get.

    • Replies: @Sbaker
  21. Rurik says:
    @anon

    why Trump would not want to sit down at a G-7 gathering and gas endlessly about climate change.

    that was my laugh for the morning.

    I see, scientific evidence isn’t regarded as evidence to halfwit reality-deniers

    “scientific evidence”

    The Climate Change shitheads always talk about ‘the science’, and tell us all “the science is settled”.

    When anyone with a shred of understanding of actual science, knows that ‘the science’ is never settled.

    I’ve heard these imbeciles actually say with a straight face that it was ‘Climate Change’ that caused the Syrian civil war, (even as Obama was sending funds and arms to the “moderate rebels’ slicing the heads of ‘infidels’), as the mantra was ‘Assad has to go”. But Climate Change caused it all.

    But what really gets me about these sinister little fucks, is that our environment really is being utterly destroyed right in front of our eyes, as we speak. But to the ‘Global Warming, ‘Climate Change’ scumfucks, human over-population is a nothing burger. Billions of people in China and India headed into energy use at Western levels, and ‘By 2100, Africa will contribute 82% of total growth: 3.2 billion of the overall increase of 3.8 billion people. Under some projections, Nigeria will add more people to the world’s population by 2050 than any other country.’

    But none of that, nor the massive numbers of super-prolific peoples headed into N. America and Europe are NOTHING to bother about.

    So what if our ecology is being wiped out for all time, species are being driven extinct at unprecedented rates, the oceans are becoming poisonous soups, and our progeny will curse us in our graves for our puerile greed and short-sightedness.

    None of that matters!! Those Africans and Indians and all the others will find homes in Europe and N. America!

    It will all be fine, so long as we can tax the fuck out of racist, white men driving Ford pickup trucks!!!!!!!!!!

    And there you have it. Climate Change in a nut shell.

    It has nothing whatsoever to do with the actual environment, and these assholes all know it. They couldn’t give a flying fuck about the environment, or they’d mention the purple elephant in the living room; exploding human numbers.

    But they carefully, NEVER mention that, because that doesn’t jive with their eternal agenda. Fuck over whitey at all costs, even the environment.

    Just ask yourself how many ‘Climate Change’ lying scum, are also ‘coincidentally’ social justice warriors?

    IOW people like AOC, fume with their every breath that somewhere a white man is contented, and demand unlimited Third World immigration into everywhere where racist white men languish, knowing such numbers will destroy the remaining natural ecology, but who gives a fuck about the wildlife and natural fauna and flora when it comes to genociding evil white racist men off the planet for all time!!!!!

    BTW, the climate has always changed over time, and always will. They’re just trying to use that fact as another weapon of lies in their eternally butt-hurt arsenal against their eternal enemy = working class white men.

    Fuck AOC, and all those lying rotten losers.

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  22. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sbaker

    You should read the article before you comment. Or did you pretend in your 2-year old make-believe world that the closing paragraph doesn’t exist?

    > You think a century of data represents AGW for the last billion years.

    No, I don’t, liar. Yours is an inept misrepresentation of the science. But thanks for demonstrating that Science Deniers always lie.

    Image source: NASA’s Earth Observatory https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

    Speaking of maturity, it’s time for you to get past the terrible twos tantrums, where you think closing your eyes makes reality disappear; most 5 year olds are more mature than you.

  23. @Renoman

    A short time in the political wilderness for Matteo Salvini will remind Italy what whores the establishment politicians are for Brussels and the Empire. Very soon the voters will be clamoring to put Salvini in charge.

  24. @The Alarmist

    According to James Howard Kunstler’s column today, Jim Comey is a long way from being in the clear and he knows it. Ditto for his Swamp-dwelling friends like John Brennan, James Clapper, Loretta Lynch and oh yes, some fellow named Barack Hussein Obama.

    Here’s the link: https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/fish-fry/

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @The Alarmist
  25. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    > When anyone with a shred of understanding of actual science

    You’re trotting out the #4 most used dumbass science-denialist myth, addressed here:

    So a consensus in science is different from a political one. There is no vote. Scientists just give up arguing because the sheer weight of consistent evidence is too compelling, the tide too strong to swim against any longer. Scientists change their minds on the basis of the evidence, and a consensus emerges over time.

    The 97% consensus on global warming
    https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm

    > And there you have it. Climate Change in a nut shell.

    Your political rhetoric and misrepresentations of climate science do not negate the factual evidence of climate change.

    > BTW, the climate has always changed over time,

    Not surprisingly, you trot out again the #1 climate science denial.

    Climate myth – Climate is always changing.
    Science says – Greenhouse gasses, principally CO2, have controlled most ancient climate changes. This time around humans are the cause, mainly by our CO2 emissions.
    https://skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period.htm

    > Fuck AOC, and all those lying rotten losers.

    I say the same thing. So why don’t you grow up, quit closing your eyes to the scientific evidence, and actually use climate science evidence to propose rational policy changes, like limiting immigration? You made good arguments regarding the degradation of the environment; climate change is just another degradation of the environment that you’re missing.

    It’s unfortunate that the Right abdicated the realm of science to the Leftist, which actually happened during the Scope Monkey Trials, and thus abdicated the realm of making policy decisions based on science to the Leftists. The Left has inherited the Cathedral by default, and the Right is left with a mess of pottage, or rather a sad wooden ark in Kentucky.

    The Right isn’t called the “Stupid Party” for nothing.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  26. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    > our environment really is being utterly destroyed right in front of our eyes

    True, true, but you’d be kicked out of many Right-wing circles for stating that, and those Right-wingers would use the very same words about environmental scientific evidence that you’re using against climate science evidence. And by golly, you’re an AOC neo-pagan nature worshiper if you you open your eyes and actually look at the evidence in front of your nose! Burn the Witch Rurik at the stake! 🙂

    An analysis of resolutions and campaigns by evangelicals over the past 40 years shows that anti-environmentalism within conservative Christianity stems from fears that “stewardship” of God’s creation is drifting toward neo-pagan nature worship, and from apocalyptic beliefs about “end times” that make it pointless to worry about global warming.

    Why conservative Christians don’t believe in climate change
    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0096340215599789

    Again, climate change is just another example on the long list of environmental degradation that you listed. Why not take this line…

    How Immigration May Affect Environmental Stability
    Some environmental groups are taking on the immigration issue
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/immigrations-effect-on-evironment/

    …and make it into this:

    How Immigration May Affect Climate Change Mitigation
    Immigration Overloads our Resources Needed to Manage Extreme Weather Events

    If the Right had not abdicated the Cathedral’s Realm of Science to the Left, we might already have seen that article in Scientific American.

  27. @Buck Ransom

    Kunstler, whose writing style I most admire, has been saying for months that the hammer will soon come down on Comey, et al. While we’re waiting, let’s not forget that another sham election will soon be foisted upon us poor schmucks. Unless movement on the prosecution front occurs before Christmas, it is unlikely that anything will be done unless Trump is re-elected. If Trump loses to one of the second-raters from this putrid pool of talentless bums, it will be like the strange death of Mr. Epstein. All evidence of the many crimes will melt away, and no justice will be meted out to the culprits, who will fly away like birds, free to continue their plunder.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  28. Rurik says:
    @anon

    Scientists change their minds on the basis of the evidence, and a consensus emerges over time.

    it has nothing to do with what scientists have on their minds or any so-called consensus.

    It has everything to do with real-world, measurable experiments, and results from those experiments that are reproduced in separate experiments conducted with rigor.

    Science is completely irrelevant to what a ‘majority of “scientists” (corrupted by their addiction to sinecures and research grants) consensus.

    That’s like The Bernanke and Kruggy and “majority of economists” in 2007 have concluded there is no housing bubble.

    A “majority of experts’ have concluded building seven imploded due to office fires’.

    Science all comes down to the results of experiments that are reproduced. Period.

    Science does not lie (or rely on tenure or grants). ‘Scientists’, (and ‘historians and economists’) are a very different story.

    Your political rhetoric and misrepresentations of climate science do not negate the factual evidence of climate change.

    yea, we’ve seen your ‘hockey stick’. Lots of “factual evidence’ there.

    Climate myth – Climate is always changing.
    Science says – Greenhouse gasses, principally CO2, have controlled most ancient climate changes. This time around humans are the cause, mainly by our CO2 emissions.

    So, since Earth began, the actions of the sun and relative atmosphere was responsible for massive fluctuations in the earth’s climate. But now all in the sudden it’s bubba’s F150 that is causing it all. And not China or India or anywhere else!

    use climate science evidence to propose rational policy changes, like limiting immigration?

    Because that is verboten. Any talk of limiting immigration is racist! What are you?! A racist?!

    And more to the point, we shouldn’t have to resort to lies or dissemble in order to get people to understand the obvious and glaring threat to the Earth’s ecology by massive and uncontrolled and exploding numbers of exponentially burgeoning consumer units.

    Why wait until like China, we have to have laws limiting births? Or like Haiti, and just mindlessly breed until their formerly lush island becomes a mud-pit shithole?

    Are humans that blind, stupid, greedy and full of petty tribal hatreds that they’d destroy the planet’s ecology just to overrun a hated and resented and envied demographic?

    Why yes, yes indeed they are!

    the Right abdicated the realm of science

    In that extremely narrow context, you’re right.

    But the left has become so unhinged in their hatred of all things straight, white man; that they too have abandoned all semblance of critical thought and respect for scientific principles, that regardless of what motivates each side, the earth is burning under the weight of the right and the left’s collective reckless idiocy and agenda-driven insanity.

    Right now
    we must do something about the sheer human numbers, or the oceans will die out. The savannas and rain forests will be plundered and those habitats will be destroyed.

    And on the right they’ll talk about free markets and their demented, insane and infinite greed.

    And on the left, they’ll talk about Bubba’s F150 is killing us all!! And we must tax white societies into the ground, so that POC can finally and at long last but their boot on whitey’s neck!!!

    Fuck the environment or the wildlife or anything and anyone when it comes to my narrow, petty AGENDA!!!

    .
    ~ Signed Right and Left.

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    , @anon
  29. @anon

    All it takes is one person to prove that CO2 is not the cause of the global warming since the little ice age (which lasted between 1645 and 1715). Science is not decided by a democratic vote.

    And that person is likely to be Henrik Svensmark, an astrophysicist in Denmark, who postulates that the increased solar magnetism from that time till the present is the reason for the increase in temperature since then.

    He has an elegant theory. The solar wind increases and decreases based upon solar magnetic intensity. When the solar wind is strong it protects the planets from cosmic rays much more so than it does when the solar wind is weak.

    Cosmic rays cause clouds to form. The more cosmic rays, the more clouds and the cooler the planet becomes. And vice versa. The solar wind during the 20th century was higher than it has been in centuries, possibly millennia, and consequently fewer cosmic rays, fewer clouds and a warmer earth.

    The last two solar cycles, 23 and now 24, seemed to have reversed the 20th century trend of high solar magnetism and very little cosmic ray bombardment. Solar magnetism in these two cycles has been low and the solar wind has been weak and cosmic ray bombardment of the earth has been much higher and so has cloudiness. The “hiatus” began in solar cycle 23. But due to latent heat, it may take some time to sort out. It also remains to be seen whether the sun stays in a magnetic decline or not.

    But if Svensmark is correct, it does not matter what everyone else thinks.

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  30. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    > Just ask yourself how many ‘Climate Change’ lying scum, are also ‘coincidentally’ social justice warriors?

    I asked myself just that question. And I discovered on Drudge Report yesterday that…

    …the number of U.S. Republicans who said they “agreed” or “strongly agreed” with the statement “I worry about the damage humans cause the planet” rose by 11 percentage points to 58% between 2014 and 2019. The number of Republican voters aged 18-34 who are worried about the issue rose by 18 percentage points to 67%

    Surge in young Republicans worried about the environment: survey
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-environment-poll-republicans/surge-in-young-republicans-worried-about-the-environment-survey-idUSKCN1VJ17V

    So when you try to paint with the broad brush that anybody concerned with climate change is an “SJW,” you’re the lying scum, as ugly as AOC.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  31. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    You’re still stupidly misrepresenting what “consensus” means science. There is a consensus among scientists that the earth revolves around the sun. As I explained (and you stupidly ignored) it is not a political consensus, it is that the evidence is so strong, no, or very few, scientists have an argument against it. Go read what I said, not ignore it and then put words in my mouth, ok?

    > Because that is verboten.

    Only because the Right abdicated the Cathedral’s realm of science to the Left. Democrat professors out-number Republican professors 10:1.

    > But the left has become so unhinged in their hatred of all things straight, white man;

    I agree, and I don’t like it any more than you do. However, the fact that Leftoids are using climate science as a policy tool does not overturn the factual evidence of climate science. Go read what you said about scientific evidence, because I’m not really sure you believe what you wrote, namely:

    > It has everything to do with real-world, measurable experiments,

    Yep. Got it for you.

    And there is empirical evidence that the rising temperatures are being caused by the increased CO2.

    Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming
    https://skepticalscience.com/sound-climate-science-even-projecting-future.html

    > Science all comes down to the results of experiments that are reproduced. Period.

    That’s not all science is, and you only reveal your ignorance of science stating it. You’re parroting the political rhetoric of Committee Chair Lamar Smith (R-TX), addressed below, and then stepping on your own dick regarding your environmental concerns, which are scoffed at using the same rhetoric.

    Chairman Smith accused climate scientists of straying “outside the principles of the scientific method.” Smith repeated his oft-stated assertion that scientific method hinges on “reproducibility,” which he defined as “a repeated validation of the results.”

    Yes, we can do ‘sound’ climate science even though it’s projecting the future
    https://skepticalscience.com/sound-climate-science-even-projecting-future.html

    > we’ve seen your ‘hockey stick’. Lots of “factual evidence’ there.

    Indeed, there is, but you refuse to consider the scientific evidence, and stick your head in the sand, because AOC has considered it. Like I said, the Stupid Party has abdicated science to the Left.

    > Right now we must do something about the sheer human numbers

    Most of the Stupid Party would paint you as a genocidal SJW for saying that, but I agree, sheer human numbers are exacerbating environmental degradation, one of the environmental degradations being climate change.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  32. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    > Science is not decided by a democratic vote.

    I never said it was, and specifically stated that it wasn’t.

    > Cosmic rays…Svensmark

    Denialist garbage, long debunked, but trotted out perennially.

    Even the CERN scientist who ran the experiment admits that it “says nothing about a possible cosmic-ray effect on clouds and climate.”
    https://skepticalscience.com/cern-cloud-proves-cosmic-rays-causing-global-warming.htm

    > The last two solar cycles

    That’s the #2 most often used science denial tactic. Solar irradiance has dwindled the last 60 years, but temperatures keep going up. See this chart? I’ll post it for the twenty dozenth time at unz, because the deniers like you keep bringing it up.

    Source: https://skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm

    > The “hiatus”

    There’s been more than one “hiatus” that you denialists crow about, but they’re like riding an Escalator. So there is no hiatus, just cherry-picking data points. And this chart and your denialist tactic is 7 years old and moldy, check any recent chart of how temps have risen quickly past your last “hiatus” that ended in 2012.

    Source: Climate Myth–IPCC admits global warming has paused
    https://skepticalscience.com/ipcc-global-warming-pause.htm

  33. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    > It has everything to do with real-world, measurable experiments, and results from those experiments that are reproduced in separate experiments conducted with rigor.

    Alright! Shouldn’t be that expensive to prove that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, infrared cams on ebay are less than $100, and C02 cartridges are less than $10. Wife’s got a candle she never uses…

    (1) Got to your backyard lab with an infrared camera, a CO2 canister, and a candle.
    (2) Light the candle.
    (3) Insert CO2 between your infrared camera and the candle.

    Watch the heat from the candle get trapped by the CO2. Repeat until you’re convinced. Have your buddy do it too, just to be sure. Just like here:

    Above: Iain Stewart demonstrates a simple experiment that shows that carbon dioxide absorbs infrared radiation. Scene from BBC’s ‘Earth: The Climate Wars’ documentary.

  34. Chinaman says:

    The Hong Kong demonstrators are demanding what the 13 colonies demanded: freedom, liberty, independence. But as Xi Jinping is very much an authoritarian autocrat, the protesters are pushing their luck.

    OMG…here we go again. Aribitraily assigning aspirations to people he don’t know without understanding the underlying issues that trigger the protests. Just simplifying everything into digestible soundbites and amorphous terms.

    This is so naive, so ignorant and so American.

    I am HKer and I am one of the silent majority. I am free, I don’t want independence and I don’t need some white dude to come liberate me. Mind your own fucking business, Thank your very much.

    If Xi is an authoritarian autocrat? Then what shall we make of Trump? A megalomaniac russian asset?

    This kind of inane commentary and propagandistic language don’t belongs to the Unz. I really expect better from an ex-presidential candidate….wait….may be that’s the problem.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    , @anonymous
  35. @Rutger Spuds

    I have always seen Johnson as a loose cannon. He will do whatever it takes to promote himself. While he may be playing to keep Britain in, I am not close enough to the situation to say, he has set up some interesting scenarios.
    The prorogation cuts off the remainers, except for a very short time frame, from extending the deadline. The Speech from the Throne in a couple of weeks, will lay out government plans for the no deal Brexit.
    It also sends a clear message to Brussels that, if a deal is going to be done, it better be now.
    Consider the conundrum that now faces the remainers, regardless of party. If they vote to extend at the last minute, without a :new deal” a lot of people, on both sides, will be furious. If Corbyn supports an extension at that point, he’s pet food, not just as leader, but for thousands of Labour voters. For any of Boris’s crowd that jumps on board by extending, he can block their nomination in the next election.
    If the EU just gives up on the Irish border, he’s a hero, with a deal. He can call an election and win a majority.
    For those who think a no deal Brexit is going to be easy on the EU, think again. They sell more than they buy. When Britain went into the EEC, they were welcomed because of the vast livestock pool that was available to the continent. Unless people were buying citrus or pineapple, there was more than enough produce and fishermen will be back at work as well. The “we’ll starve” narrative is not real.
    Johnson is playing a high stakes game that will make him or break him. That said, any trade deal with the US will likely be as restrictive as the EU, and may yet be his downfall regardless of a “win” on leaving the EU.

    • Replies: @Herald
    , @EdNels
    , @Rutger Spuds
  36. @Buck Ransom

    Tic-toc-tic-toc … do you hear the clock on the statute of limitations running out? Apparently Kunstler doesn’t.

  37. voicum says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik are you sure you are WHITE ? I doubt that , you are too…. how should say … under evolved.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  38. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    > The more cosmic rays, the more clouds and the cooler the planet becomes.

    Hooookay…are you sure about that? The correlation of the data is exactly opposite of what you say.


    Chart source: https://skepticalscience.com/cosmic-rays-and-global-warming-advanced.htm

    Climate deniers are so wrong, all the time, I think I’m going to figure out how to bet against you — and make you losers pay up when you’re wrong.

    James Annan keeps winning. Annan, a climate scientist and director of the Blue Skies Research Organization, has won numerous bets over the last decade against scientists from a variety of academic backgrounds. In short, people keep betting him that the world will cool or warm slightly, rather than continue on its accelerating warming trend. Annan is nearly undefeated….

    This scientist keeps winning money from people who bet against climate change
    https://mashable.com/article/climate-change-science-bet/

  39. Herald says:
    @Curmudgeon

    You have it right. Johnson is more than likely to fall right into Trump’s lap and any

    deal

    with the US will be worse than useless for the UK.

  40. Herald says:
    @Renoman

    You are likely right about war, as for the rest of your offering, dream on.

  41. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    > It also remains to be seen whether the sun stays in a magnetic decline or not.

    Sorry, that’s just another denialist excuse to avoid reality. Even if the sun goes into a “Grand Solar Minimum,” it will barely make a dent in increased global warming.

    Adapted from Feulner & Rahmstorf (2010). Jones et al. (2012) Anet et al. (2013), and Meehl et al. (2013) arrived at nearly identical results, with cooling from a grand solar minimum causing no more than 0.3°C cooling over the 21st century.
    https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=448

  42. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    > So, since Earth began, the actions of the sun and relative atmosphere was responsible for massive fluctuations in the earth’s climate.

    Here you are, back to the #1 climate denier’s excuse, that climate has changed before. We know, we know! And we know that CO2 was the principle driver of those changes.

    Greenhouse gasses, principally CO2, have controlled most ancient climate changes. This time around humans are the cause, mainly by our CO2 emissions.

    What does past climate change tell us about global warming?
    https://skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period.htm

    > But now all in the sudden it’s bubba’s F150 that is causing it all.

    CO2 is higher than it has been in 3 million years, and it’s humans putting the CO2 into the atmosphere. It’s proven that humans are doing it, as evidenced by isotope studies.

    CO2 Concentrations Hit Highest Levels in 3 Million Years
    https://e360.yale.edu/digest/co2-concentrations-hit-highest-levels-in-3-million-years

    Do you really think that doing this huge change will have zero consequences?

    > And not China or India or anywhere else!

    Not hardly, considering this chart that shows China’s CO2 output nearly double that of the US, although per capita, the US population CO2 output–including my pickup truck, 4WD SUV, boat, and motorcycle and a few other toys–is still the highest, by far.

  43. @Chinaman

    I am an American who had the good fortune to spend time in Hong Kong in the ’80s and ’90s. I thought it was a fascinating place and I certainly wish the best for the people of Hong Kong and all of China.

    I would like your insight on the current situation. Do you think there is a widespread perception among Hong Kongers and mainland Chinese that the current friction is being fanned by officials of the U.S. State Department, the British government and western NGOs? Is there a feeling that this is one more attempt at a color revolution to weaken a government that does not bow the knee to the hegemony of the Empire?

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  44. Rurik says:
    @anon

    >

    Just ask yourself how many ‘Climate Change’ lying scum, are also ‘coincidentally’ social justice warriors?

    …the number of U.S. Republicans who said they “agreed” or “strongly agreed” with the statement “I worry about the damage humans cause the planet”
    >><<

    So when you try to paint with the broad brush that anybody concerned with climate change is an “SJW,” you’re the lying scum, as ugly as AOC.

    ummm..

    All I’ve been saying (relentlessly) on this issue is that humans are devastating the planet with their activity. Those young Republicans are 100% right, and God bless them for having a clue.

    But, (imbecile), there is a universe of difference between the kinds of destruction humans are causing to the planet and its life forms, and the insipid idiocy of ‘Climate Change’.

    The best analogy I can make, is an honest person who’s against the Catholic Church selling ‘indulgences’. Only to have a priest interrogate such a person, by asking them.. ‘Do you not care about your eternal soul?”

    Whereupon the person honestly answers ‘yes, yes I do!’..

    At which point the priest then asks, ‘Well then, why have you not purchased any indulgences?!’

    >><<

    Buying into the 'human caused 'Climate Change idiocy, is the same thing as pretending the Catholic church has the power to expunge your sins, if only you pay them enough money.

    It's actually a remarkably salient metaphor, because in both cases opportunistic scoundrels are trying to plunder lucre from a gullible public by attaching an otherwise noble aspiration, (saving one's soul / protecting the planet), to the 'solution' of paying them more and more money.

    ‘It doesn’t matter how many billions of humans there are, so long as they’re all properly taxed and controlled by us.’ The more, the better even, as that’s more and more human consumer units to tax.’

    Climate Change “science’ in a nut shell.

    • Replies: @anon
  45. Rurik says:
    @voicum

    Rurik are you sure you are WHITE ?

    who cares?

    It doesn’t matter.

    Climate Change is a ruse, used by scoundrels as a pretext to give the right to tax (with teeth) every breath, and every fart, to the ((PTB)).

    As the planet is poisoned for all time under a tsunami of billions upon billion$ more and more human consumer units.

    The reason ‘whiteness’ is relevant, is because that’s the motivation for all the POC/snowflake/SJW to jump on the Climate Change war wagon. You mean we can use it to fuck over whitey?!

    Then let’s save the planet!!

    • Replies: @anon
  46. Rurik says:
    @anon

    that climate has changed before. We know, we know! And we know that CO2 was the principle driver of those changes.

    Hypothetically assuming that is true, then what do you think the effect will be when billions of more people wipe out the last remaining forests and fauna? Eh?

    If they’re so concerned about CO2, don’t they know that humans cause it, and forests eat it?

    If they understood that simple fact, then why (the fuck!) are they all very carefully ignoring the exploding numbers of humans – elephant in the living room?

    When’s the last time you’ve heard a Climate Change shithead even mention human over-population?

    They don’t, because their agenda demands infinite numbers of more and more humans, and damn the environment. ‘Just give us all total power to tax all people everywhere, and then everything will be fine.’

    Huh?

    • Replies: @anon
  47. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    Yeah, yeah, I’ll admit I ain’t the smartest fellow on the block, but I was just wondering, have you figured out yet what melts ice? You had most the day.

    • Replies: @Realist
  48. Rurik says:
    @anon

    I agree, sheer human numbers are exacerbating environmental degradation,

    “exacerbating”?!

    That’s like saying the Hillary Clinton’s loss was exacerbated by Trump electoral college victory.

    Or the man’s untimely loss of life was exacerbated by the .50 caliber bullet though his heart.

    But at least you’re capable of mentioning the numbers, so that is an amazing step in the right direction.

    one of the environmental degradations being climate change.

    A gigantic leap no actual scientist of integrity would dare make without proof.

    • Replies: @anon
  49. Smith says:

    Good luck Boris!

    The russian narrative fails, EU good for Britain, but EU bad for Ukraine! Stick to one narrative.

    Democracy bad for Syria, but democracy good for the UK (when it comes to maintaining the EU, which ranges from Great Satan’s brother to Uber ally depending on how they treat Russia).

    Boris, get the brits out of the anti-white and JewU!

  50. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Can you even read?

    “…long-term population reduction to ecologically sustainable levels will solve the global warming crisis…”

    Human Population Growth and Climate Change
    Center for Biological Diversity
    https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/population_and_sustainability/climate/index.html

    Found the elephant in the living room! With all the effort of 13 seconds on duckduckgo. I bet you cheated on homework in school, and now you can’t do a little simple homework to answer your own questions. I’d appreciate a thank you for doing it for you. 🙂

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  51. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    A gigantic leap? LOL! For who, mankind? On Tranquility Base? Anyway, there’s plenty of proof, you can start here, since you’re trotting out the #3 climate denier myth:

    Climate Myth — It’s not bad
    https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-positives-negatives.htm

    And I’d suggest doing a search for PETM + climate change. A mass extinction event. The rate of CO2 rise and temperature rise now is many times faster than the PETM. Studying that extinction event suggests humans are on a suicide mission as they evaporate earth’s coal beds and oil fields into the atmosphere.

  52. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    > Climate Change is a ruse

    It’s real, and to deny it is as much an error as to say Heliocentric Theory was a “ruse.”

    > used by scoundrels

    So? Guns are used by scoundrels too. Does that make guns a “ruse?” Computers are used by scoundrels. Are computers a “ruse?” Your logic is Leftardish, i.e., guilt by association, what ever association you can smear.

    > As the planet is poisoned

    So why isn’t your environmentalism a ruse? Is the environmental movement scoundrel free? Your logic is so weak, you’d get stuck in a wet paper bag.

  53. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    You’re retarded. The basics of climate science are two centuries old. You’re as scientifically illiterate as a sub-Saharan African bushman, and from the inept and illogical way you try to argue, probably got the IQ of one.


    https://skepticalscience.com/history-climate-science.html

    • Replies: @Rurik
  54. MaryLS says:
    @Realist

    Global warming is not the issue (although recent statements from NOAA indicate thst it has not warmed in the US since 20O5. The main issue is whether or not human CO2 emissions are causing warming. They are not,

    • Agree: Realist
  55. MaryLS says:
    @anon

    That’s the wrong question. The earth has been warming for centuries. I would be very concerned if it were cooling. Climate is not static. Most importantly, CO2 is not causing global warming.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @anon
  56. Chinaman says:
    @Buck Ransom

    I think we would be giving too much credit to the CIA and the Americans to say that they could have launched this given how often they botched things. I think the reality is a bit more nuanced than the color revolution narrative.

    The timing, escalation of trade war and the extradition of Huawei executive, with the protests is hardly coincidental of course.

    Every with a developed prefrontal cortex knows what is going on of course. You can say the Americans and the protestors are using each other for their own gains.

    I believe the house nigger syndrome ( coined by Israel Shamir on Unz ) and their legitimate greviances which have been brewing for a decade now, is at the core of the matter. Economic discontent is 90% of the problem. The extradition bill, which is perfectly reasonable thing, is just a pretext .

    American’s role, if any, is that of the Devil who whispers to ears of the “Chigger” to kill his own mother.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  57. Smith says:

    If people care about climate change, they would embargo China and India.

    Surprise, they don’t! So people don’t really care about climate change, politicians do.

  58. After reelection, he revoked Article 370 of India’s constitution

    Whoa… that’s about as imperial as a presidency can get.

  59. @anon

    What Pat doesn’t realize is that only 30% of Trump voters are climate science deniers, and over half of Trump’s voters openly agree that the climate change science is valid. I’m one of them. It’s “tedious and boring” to deny science.

    You are unable to read a simple pie chart. Your graph shows that half of Trump-voters think that the world is getting warmer – something not a single climate “denier” contests. Science “deniers” are skeptical that computer models are able to predict the weather thirty years into the future, as they have hitherto failed miserably at both prediction and hindcasts.

    As an aside, you do not have the faintest clue as to what science is about, if you use the term “denier”. Science is ALL about denial – or “falsification”, as the boffins call it.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
  60. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    “Kunstler, whose writing style I most admire, has been saying for months that the hammer will soon come down on Comey, et al.”

    I, too, appreciate Mr. Kunstler. But his faith in the system is naive. All of this drawn out drama over the supposed comeuppance of the last set of Swampsters sounds like a variation on the 4-D chess fantasies circa 2017. These people are all on the same team, and they pretend to go at each other only to keep enough of us voting and then waiting on them to change their stripes.

    You recognize the “sham elections,” but your comment — “Unless movement on the prosecution front occurs before Christmas, it is unlikely that anything will be done unless Trump is re-elected.” — also indicates that you’ll be participating next year. Which is it?

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  61. Realist says:
    @MaryLS

    You’ll be sorry for addressing that dumbass.

  62. Realist says:
    @anon

    Yeah, yeah, I’ll admit I ain’t the smartest fellow on the block, but I was just wondering, have you figured out yet what melts ice?

    Calcium chloride, CaCl2, works quite well. I use it on my driveway and sidewalks.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
  63. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Krull

    > computer models

    I wondered how long it would take for a denialist clown to trot out the #6 most frequent denialist myth. Sadly, you’re wrong. The models of climate change are accurate, and do work to predict accurately. Chapter 8 of the IPCC AR4 report lists 23 computer models which contributed to the AR4 assessment. This is the output:


    Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20100322194954/http://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/models-2/

    something not a single climate “denier” contests

    LOL! That’s a lie, many deniers try to claim it’s not warming. Go read comment #56, saying exactly that. Then come back and apologize for your utter stupidity.

    > you do not have the faintest clue as to what science is about

    Pure projection. You science deniers get called deniers because you deny the evidence and conclusions of science. As to your trotting out Karl Popper’s thing about falsifiability:

    Popper’s views have been extremely influential but we argue that Popper’s criteria fail to take account of the complexity of modern science, and climate science is a perfect example of this failure. the mismatch between Popper’s criteria and climate science is a reason for doubting Popper’s criteria, not for doubting the legitimacy of climate science.

    Coady D., Corry R. (2013) Is Climate Science Really Science?. In: The Climate Change Debate: An Epistemic and Ethical Enquiry. Palgrave Pivot, London doi.org/10.1057/9781137326287_5

    Read it and find out what science is “ALL about,” ok?

    • Replies: @Felix Krull
  64. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    So you think salt is melting the Arctic Sea ice, which is already in a salty ocean. Thanks for your response. Climate change denial goes full-retard, as usual.

    • Replies: @Realist
  65. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @MaryLS

    You’re proof that climate deniers always lie.

    > recent statements from NOAA indicate thst [sic] it has not warmed in the US since 20O5 [sic]

    A lie — or just a result of typing drunk. But do show those “statements”, if you can! LOL!

    > CO2 is not causing global warming.

    Another lie. Scientists have know for two centuries CO2 is a greenhouse gas that causes warming. When you say that, you just show you’re 200 years behind in your science education. That’s SAD. Pop up to comment #55 and maybe you can catch up.

    > Climate is not static.

    That’s an inane statement, considering you’re arguing against climate change. But such stupid statements are the #1 most used climate denial lie, as tracked by https://skepticalscience.com/

  66. …………India’s Narendra Modi is in the mold. After reelection, he revoked Article 370 of India’s constitution that guaranteed special rights to the Muslim-majority in Kashmir, a state over which India and Pakistan have fought two wars. To effect the annexation of Kashmir, Modi sent thousands of troops into the disputed territory, imposed a curfew, shut down the internet and arrested political leaders………….

    the utter banality of evil
    the butcher of Gujrat, the author of thousands of pogroms, a man racist to the core is
    a MAN of ACTION.
    sure if you call mass murder, indefinite detention, and usurpation of rights ACTION.

  67. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    > I’ve heard these imbeciles actually say with a straight face that it was ‘Climate Change’ that caused the Syrian civil war

    Hmm, lots of straight faces at the Pentagon. Do you figure they’re all imbeciles too?

    Climate change may exacerbate water scarcity and lead to sharp increases in food costs.

    2014 Quadrennial Defense Review | United States Department of Defense
    https://archive.defense.gov/pubs/2014_Quadrennial_Defense_Review.pdf


    Fig. 1. Annual average discharge of the Euphrates River measured at Jarabulus just downstream of the Turkey–Syria border from 1937 to 2010 (UN-ESCWA 2013).


    Fig. 5. (a) Millimeters of rain in the winter period from 1902 to 2010, showing a drop in rainfall in the 1971–2010 period (Hoerling et al. 2012). (b) Reds and oranges highlight the areas around the Mediterranean that experienced significantly drier winters during 1971–2010 than the comparison period of 1902–2010 (Hoerling et al. 2012).

    Charts above sourced from: Water, Drought, Climate Change, and Conflict in Syria
    https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/WCAS-D-13-00059.1

    Let me ask you a question: What sort of notions that you believe make you think people do not fight wars where water gets scarce, hmm?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  68. Realist says:
    @anon

    So you think salt is melting the Arctic Sea ice, which is already in a salty ocean.

    You ask me if I had figured out what melts ice…I gave you an accurate answer…you didn’t like it , so fuck you.

    • Replies: @anon
  69. Rurik says:
    @anon

    You’re retarded. The basics of climate science are two centuries old. You’re as scientifically illiterate as a sub-Saharan African bushman, and from the inept and illogical way you try to argue, probably got the IQ of one.

    yea, the refuge of the beaten

    ‘you’re as dumb as a black person’

    your “proof” reminds me of a similar illustration.

    the reality is that no one is buying your pathetic ‘Climate Change’ idiocy.

    We all see though your transparent bullshit. You can fool some high school students and a few SJW, but Trump effectively made a mockery of you asshats, and you’re still butt-hurt over it.

    Billions of dollars have been squandered buying “scientists” and trying to push your manure pile of lies onto the public, so you can effect your ‘social justice’ carbon tax. And now we all laugh at your pathetic twisting in your lies and bile.

    Choke on them, bitch. You’ve been owned.

    • Replies: @anon
  70. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    But you did not give an accurate answer, because CaCl2 generates something. What is that something? That physical quantity melts ice. Do you know what an exothermic reaction is? Got a clue yet?

    “It produces an exothermic reaction, giving off [ _____ ] as it melts.”
    https://ussalt.com/info/ice-melters/calcium-chloride/

    Can you fill in the blank? First, you need to review your first grade science lesson on what melts ice! LOL! It will certainly help you understand the graph of the rapidly melting Arctic Sea ice in comment #17, which you still cannot grasp. Please call your first grade teacher, if she’s still alive. She loves you. She wants to understand this simple stuff in life.

  71. Rurik says:
    @anon

    Climate Change’ that caused the Syrian civil war

    Hmm, lots of straight faces at the Pentagon. Do you figure they’re all imbeciles too?

    How dare you even imply that the magnificent and superior people at the United States Pentagon! are anything but the best of the best of the best!

    Suggesting that these noble defenders of freedom!, democracy! and the American way!, are subject to even question, is like doubting the heroic patriots at the FBI!

    This is the Pentagon we’re talking about!

    The very ground zero for the home of the brave!, and the land of the free!

    What next?! Are you going try to impugn the character of rabbi Dov S. Zakheim?!

    It isn’t just America! But the Free World that owes its freedom to the greatest minds the world has ever known, who reside at places like Langley, Virginia. The CIA! , in other words.

    I suppose you’d doubt their character too!!!

    What kind of misguided fools could EVER!, possibly question the honor, patriotism, honesty and genius of the men and women of the Pentagon!, or FBI!, or CIA!

    These are the best of the best. And their reputations are sacrosanct and inviolate! They’re the ones who gave us the F-35! Which will guarantee freedom and democracy straight into the S-400s and the next decades!

    Never, EVER! think it’s OK to doubt, or bring into question the honor of the Generals! and analysts, and patriotic scum at the Pentagon, where much of 9/11 was orchestrated.

    If you want to doubt or question the smarts of the people at the Pentagon, just ask them where the video’s of the plane on 9/11 are. Or the missing trillion$

    I don’t know how people can sit there and expect an American! to sit by and listen to someone impugn the treasonous, murderous scum at the Pentagon!

    At long last, have you no decency sir?

    • Replies: @anon
  72. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    > Trump effectively made a mockery of you asshats

    Ya think so? “We support your effort to ensure meaningful and effective to control climate change, and immediate challenge facing the United States and the world today.” /s/ Donald J. Trump

    Also from Trump…

    A permit application for the wall, filed by Trump International Golf Links Ireland and reviewed by POLITICO, explicitly cites global warming and its consequences — increased erosion due to rising sea levels and extreme weather this century — as a chief justification for building the structure.

    Trump acknowledges climate change — at his golf course
    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-climate-change-golf-course-223436

    …Trump knows politics, and he’s making a mockery of asshats, but it’s you who is getting played for the fool. He’s telling you what you want to hear; it’s called politics.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  73. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Your blood-vessel bursting rant has been stamped and certified 100% science free. Meanwhile, more science…

    “Syria offers us a foretaste of what is to come as the planet warms.”

    Climate change and the Syrian civil war, Part II: The Jazira’s agrarian crisis
    https://doi.org/10.1016/j.geoforum.2018.06.010

    By and by, you’ll be learning that all wars are resource wars.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  74. Rurik says:
    @anon

    In one fell swipe, (Paris), he cut the nuts off your grand scheme.

    It was almost as glorious as election night.

    Billions spent purchasing “scientists” like so many plastic trinkets off Walmart shelves.

    Untold billions on propaganda, and all Al Gore gets is public humiliation.

    Trump wiped ‘Paris’ out like tossing used toilet paper in your face.

    how did that feel?

    How does it feel to know that your grand scheme is as dead as road kill.

    All that planning, it was going to be social justice for once and for all!

    People were going to be equal!!

    The holy carbon tax would finally, at long last bring social justice to the world’s people!

    What refugees and immigrants couldn’t do, the glorious social justice carbon tax would be the nail in their coffin!

    And Trump wiped it (and your ilk) off like so much dog shit on his shoe.

    It’s no wonder you people hate him so much. Lol.

    • Replies: @anon
  75. Rurik says:
    @anon

    “Syria offers us a foretaste of what is to come as the planet warms.”

    Climate change and the Syrian civil war,

    I must say, until I heard em tell us Russia was behind the Epstein ‘suicide’, the ‘Climate Change caused the Syrian war, meme was, I’m convinced, the most mind-numbingly stupidest thing I thought I’d ever heard. And that is saying a lot!

    that all wars are resource wars.

    in a way, the Syrian conflict, orchestrated by the same Zionists and treasonous scum who destroyed Libya, (and Iraq and other nations), is about resources.

    Specifically oil in the Golan. Duh.

    But it isn’t just oil in the Golan, but the land as well. And the strategic and psychic importance of showing the Muslims that Israel can steal whatever it wants to steal, and there’s nothing they can do about it.

    So, ironically, you’re actually (inadvertently) correct about something. That natural resources were indeed part of the metric for the ZUSA to attempt to destabilize Syria.

    But then what happened?

    Yep, once again, Putin this time- a white man, (with huge white man’s balls), shit on your plans once again! And tossed used toilet paper into your faces,

    and thwarted your schemes.

    Lol

    • Replies: @anon
    , @richard braverman
    , @anon
  76. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    > your grand scheme

    Oops, you’re stupidly and falsely assigning politics to me that are not mine. I have no grand schemes to “fix” anything. I’ve said on unz here several times that climate change is inevitable and the consequences cannot be reversed because of Jevon’s Paradox, that is, conservation efforts only make resources cheaper and more available to the next guy. I’ve quoted from this study more than once on Unz remark sections:

    “Fundamentally, I believe the system is deterministic,” says Garrett. “Changes in population and standard of living are only a function of the current energy efficiency. That leaves only switching to a non-carbon-dioxide-emitting power source as an available option.” “The problem is that, in order to stabilize emissions, not even reduce them, we have to switch to non-carbonized energy sources at a rate about 2.1 percent per year. That comes out to almost one new nuclear power plant per day.”

    Is Global Warming Unstoppable?
    THEORY ALSO SAYS ENERGY CONSERVATION DOESN’T HELP
    https://archive.unews.utah.edu/news_releases/is-global-warming-unstoppable/

    A nuclear power plant per day isn’t happening, not even close. Our fate is sealed.

    > It’s no wonder you people hate him so much. Lol.

    I voted for Trump, knowing his faults and that he’s a NYC playboy playing politics, basically for a single issue: a Supreme Court appointee more favorable to the Second Amendment. Who do you mean by “you people?” You sound more and more unhinged with each of your girlishly emotional rants.

    But even though humanity’s fate is sealed in regard to climate change, I think accepting the science –the evidence is overwhelming–could mitigate some of the consequences of that fate, such as stopping immigration, as I mentioned in comment #28, with a proposed article title: “How Immigration May Affect Climate Change Mitigation: Immigration Overloads our Resources Needed to Manage Extreme Weather Events.” Ignoring the science gets the right nothing but lack of credibility as the scientific evidence keeps rolling in.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  77. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    You’re a low-IQ moron assigning leftist politics to me that are not mine, which makes you a liar. You can stop lying whenever you want, or you can continue to make a fool of yourself with your girlishly emotional rants that are 100% science-free.

    My argument is that the right could wield climate science to effect policy changes that limit immigration. Read what I’ve wrote, and quit making up bullshit. You’re truly worse than Hillary and the Leftist gang at smearing with falsehoods and creating fake news.

    But to use that science for such policy changes, one first has to study the evidence and accept it, instead of sticking your head in the sand and ignoring it — which is the case since the Scope Monkey Trials, unfortunately, thus abdicating the Cathedral’s realm of science to the Leftoids.

    I know, withing in the Stupid Party, I’m probably going to be as effective at talking about science as Joe Bauers.

  78. Rurik says:
    @anon

    But even though humanity’s fate is sealed in regard to climate change,

    look, with the whole ‘Climate Change caused the Syrian war’ idiocy, your credibility is below zero, OK?

    You’ve got nothing after that.

    It’s exactly like the ‘Russians killed Epstein, or ‘leave Britney alone!’.

    You’re a joke. A pathetic laughing stock.

    Obama and John McCain and the whole zio-treasonous machine was in full throttle war mode pushing Syria to the brink with it’s “moderate rebels’, and other assorted machinations. ‘Assad has to go’, and so on.

    So if you’re that fucking stupid, that you would put it down to Climate Change (!), when the avalanche of evidence that it’s obviously a massive campaign by the Zio-scum of the planet – to do to Syria what it had done to Iraq and Libya and Ukraine, and on and on and on…

    Then you’re too obtuse for words.

    • Replies: @anon
  79. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Yet another 100% science-free, girlishly-emotional rant. At least you’re consistent.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  80. Pater says:
    @swamped

    It’s Allah’s will.

  81. @anonymous

    Another irritating thing about Kunstler is that he will not abide “Conspiracy Theorists” who use his comment section to question things like 9/11 and the Holocaust (he is Jewish). Any commenters who attempt to touch upon those topics will quickly find their comments stricken, and, if they persevere, they will be banned.

    Regarding your last sentence, the Hegemon must offer up a few sacrifices from time to time. Epstein filled that role this time. Did anyone really think that he would live to tell the tales? Maybe even Comey or Brennon will get prosecuted next time. But they never go after the really big fish like the Clintons, the Bushes, and the Obamas. Even the hated Trump, if he loses, will never be prosecuted. Presidents are above the law.

  82. Rurik says:
    @anon

    for the record, there’s noting more ‘girlish’ (with the notable exception of Rachel Maddow) or anti-science than those who pee all over themselves worrying about made up hysterias.

    the very essence of someone ‘getting their panties in a twist’.

    Yours are in knots, (and there’s an odor ; )

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
    , @anon
  83. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve long passed in having any hope that the system in Europe can be changed through the election process. Our enemies just keep giving us politicians who look and sound good but only to appease the masses. These good sounding politicians get elected and never do anything, often making matters worse. Salvini might be a good one, I doubt if Boris Johnson is. If Salvini thought that he would be able to form a government that would actually be allowed to go against the globo-homo agenda, he is greatly mistaken. As long as the US is powerful and controlled by Israel, there will never be strong nationalist movements in Europe that will succeed. Only with a weakened US and Israel will the racial interests of the people of Europe be addressed. The writing is on the wall, the US is on its way out with an ascendent Asia waiting to take its place as a world leader. This process of weakening is going to take a while, but we can hope that the collapse of the US will happen within the next 10-20 years and with it Israel.

  84. @Rurik

    Hi Rurik,

    Kudos for your dogged response to those who cannot read in between the lines. I did once mention that arguing with a sophist is like arguing with the devil; another lost cause. I should have added to the sophist and the devil the ideological drone.

    Here I should recall an experiment that was conducted in the eighties before the global warming hoax was heralded and broadcast by PBS ( if my memory is not failing me). American scientists tried to research a possible relationship between precipitation levels and sun explosions. They took carrots from the trunks of old trees and compared the yearly growth in the diameter of the trunk, a direct function of the level of rainfall, with the solar explosions. The exercise went back three centuries which was the period that solar explosions were under scrutiny. The result of the study was that it established a perfect correlation between precipitation levels and timber growth on the one hand and solar explosions on the other hand; higher level of solar explosions meant more drought and less timber growth while the opposite is true. It is weird how weather specialists do not focus on the relationship between the weather and the most powerful influencer of all cosmic activity in our part of the universe, the sun.

    The climate change story is politically motivated to put the world under the taxing power of the one world government. You correctly mention the nefarious impact of consumerism of an expanding world population, to which I question the total silence over the dumping of millions of tons of pesticides and heavy metals in our rivers and oceans without a peep from the global warming scientific community.

    Keep up your valiant work and God bless.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Rurik
    , @95Theses
  85. EdNels says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Johnson is playing a high stakes game that will make him or break him. That said, any trade deal with the US will likely be as restrictive as the EU, and may yet be his downfall regardless of a “win” on leaving the EU.

    That is correct I agree. Because: EU is a construction of the Globalists… including US ruling bunch through their agencies over many decades. Maybe it’s to a blue print plan or maybe it’s just a fluid thing that morphs into what ever is possible and sought. But if Brexit happens and Britain then looks to America to pick up the slack for trade partner, that’s going to be interesting. What do they have to export other than… yer grandad’s whiskey brand or beer?

    They’re screwed and tattooed, the world is about to go into a toilet anyway, so but I appreciate the self confidence and staunchness of the Brits to stand up to the EU Natzis.

    It is also interesting to have the Queen being worked back into some substantial question, it shows that beneath all the balogni of the stuffed shirts yelling at each other and grandstanding… they don’t even really have… much standing. During the end of September anyways.

    Prorogue, who could do that in America I wonder?

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  86. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    We in the west must stand behind the Hong-Kong protestors so that they will one day throw off the yoke of imperialist China and will be free to have unlimited access to Walmart, Amazon, Faceberg, Google and experience the joys of Gay Pride parades. We in the west, truly know what’s best for China and the Chinese people, not the anti-democratic despots like Xi Jinping who have no idea what’s good for the Chinese.

    • Replies: @Smith
  87. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Levantine

    > do not focus on the relationship between the weather and the most powerful influencer of all cosmic activity in our part of the universe, the sun.

    Liar. Nobody forget the sun. You’re trotting out the #2 climate denialist myth: “It’s the sun!” It’s regurgitated as often as a cow’s cud, already covered in my comment #34 with some other idiot spouting the same denialist garbage, and again debunked here:

    Climate Myth — It’s the sun
    https://skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm

    > The climate change story is politically motivated to put the world under the taxing power of the one world government.

    The scientific evidence is real, whether or not it is used for political policies, just like guns can be used by bad guys too. And the Left is able to wield science so effectively for their own political purposes because the Right abdicated the Cathedral and the realm of science to the Left.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  88. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    > made up hysterias.

    Science isn’t hysteria; you’re only projecting your own. Science deniers always project. Of note: another completely 100% science-free reply from you. You’re scientifically illiterate as a sub-Saharan African. You wouldn’t know a scientific fact if you fell into one by accident.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    , @Rurik
  89. @anon

    Those seem to be the algorithmically adjusted numbers.

    • Replies: @anon
  90. Smith says:
    @anonymous

    Ah yes, we must stand for Xi and enjoy jobs going oversea, chinese coming into your country so we can enjoy all of the above with Weibo, tencent and Epic Game Store plus the double plus good social credit score system (that the decadent West is copying from baste Chicom).

    False dichotomery, false dichotomery everywhere!

  91. @anon

    We also know that CO2 increase was, at the scale of an ice age, a trailing indicator relative to temperature rise. CO2 is eleased as the sea warms up. I see no real delivery on historical water temperatures. Groups looking for the missing heat (according to the modellers there is heat missing – their models cannot be wrong) have not yet found it. Admittedly the only serious work so far has been done in the Atlantic.

    Michael Mann and also the University of East Anglia are pointers to a certain economy with the truth on the part of climate scientists. Mann magiced away three well attested warm periods for example by sliding around between Irish bog oaks, Peruvian lake sediments and whatever. He still hasn’t completed explained how he did it as last weeks court case revealed. The rate of change revealed by instruments may bear no comparison to the rate of change seen in trees or lake sediments.

    The IPCC was not set up to investigate climate change. It was explictly set up to look for Anthropogenic Global Warming. In an observational science, “Seek and ye shall find”. Peer review does the rest. Only now with the 4th IPCC has the requiremetn to look for AGW been removed.

    Whatever happened to acid rain? Various nitrogen oxides are still being produced at scale. Greenng effect?

    • Replies: @anon
  92. @anon

    And yet, the environment is recovering fastest in rich densely populated countries in Europe and East Asia. To paraphrase Matt Ridley: Wolves (rich countries) are thriving. Tigers are holding their own (so, so countries). Lions are losing numbers (poor countries).

    One eco friendly future full of rewilding (temperate forests are increasing in area) is to build lots of Thorium based nukes. Use the power for vertical farming (not even that energy consuming once the food and production miles are counted). Lots of land is released. We already use less land to feed a lot more people than we did in the 1950’s.

    The Amazon, a poor carbon sink compared to Siberian forest, has been subject to slash and burn at least since colonial times. So has West and Central Africa, perhaps where the practice came from. It is not yet the Second Coming.

    I will not believe that anyone serously believes in climate change until there are campaigns to build nukes and dump the nighttime surplus into hydrogen for long distance heavy vehicle transport. Carbon taxes, packaging taxes, property taxes to discourages sprawl and encourage rewilding, these would be convincing too.

    We can reduce our environmental impact and live 22nd Century lifestyles. We are clever monkeys. Just adjust the incentives.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Rurik
  93. @EdNels

    Leading edge pharmaceuticals, the world’s best civilian jet engines for big planes and CCGT turbines for power generation, financial services that out compete NewYork (which is why they won’t be allowed in – like Concord), medical devices (the NHS is a big market driver for stuff that is actually effective), world leading composite airplane wings on electric aircraft, the core technology for mobile phone base stations and lot for the handsets too, mid range fixed diesels, drives to control AC motors, deepwater drilling technology, to name a few.

    But Trump says no deal without leeting the big US tech companies off taxes. Pelosi says no deal if the Irish don’t like it. Not a lot of people here want chickens where the sanitary status is acheived by a chemical wash at the end rather than a clean process. The Russians dumped them as soon as they could.

    And so on.

    • Replies: @EdNels
  94. @Chinaman

    Thanks for giving your perspective on this.

    So the term “Chigger” is actually a term of derision now in Hong Kong? Would this be a word the locals would apply to the people wearing masks and throwing bricks?

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  95. @anon

    Something of a Michael Mann trick going on here.

    • Replies: @anon
  96. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Owen

    Scientific evidence isn’t a “trick” except to the dimwitted. Note that Michael Mann sued and won a defamation lawsuit against smear tactics like you’re trying. Push hard enough, and he might make you apologize too.

    In 2011, renowned scientist Michael E. Mann sued a Canadian think tank that published an interview suggesting his work on climate change was fraud.

    Eight years later, the Winnipeg-based Frontier Center for Public Policy — which often promotes climate change denial — apologized Friday and wiped the inflammatory interview from its website.

    Michael E. Mann took climate change deniers to court. They apologized.
    Jun 14, 2019
    https://grist.org/article/michael-e-mann-took-climate-change-deniers-to-court-they-apologized/

  97. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Owen

    Here goes the Gish Gallop….

    > a trailing indicator

    This graph proves you wrong.

    “While the orbital cycles triggered the initial warming, overall, more than 90% of the glacial-interglacial warming occured after that atmospheric CO2 increase.”
    https://skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm

    > CO2 is eleased as the sea warms up

    Wrong.

    Climate Myth — CO2 is coming from the ocean
    https://skepticalscience.com/co2-coming-from-ocean.htm

    > Michael Mann and also the University of East Anglia are pointers to a certain economy with the truth on the part of climate scientists.

    Wrong, liar.

    A number of independent investigations from different countries, universities and government bodies have investigated the stolen emails and found no evidence of wrong doing.
    https://skepticalscience.com/Climategate-CRU-emails-hacked.htm

    All the rest of your several denialist myths are covered at the same website, including the mention of greening. But lets discuss the greening, because that is where you actually said something that was true–twenty years ago. Now its not, and getting browner.

    Earth Stopped Getting Greener 20 Years Ago
    Declining plant growth is linked to decreasing air moisture tied to global warming
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-stopped-getting-greener-20-years-ago/

  98. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Owen

    Only to make the data more accurate from changes in data collection.

    These adjustments have long been a heated point of debate. Many climate sceptics like to argue that scientists “exaggerate” warming by lowering past temperatures and raising present ones.

    How data adjustments affect global temperature records
    https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-data-adjustments-affect-global-temperature-records

    Having worked with many of the scientists in question, I can say with certainty that there is no grand conspiracy to artificially warm the earth; rather, scientists are doing their best to interpret large datasets with numerous biases such as station moves, instrument changes, time of observation changes, urban heat island biases, and other so-called inhomogenities that have occurred over the last 150 years.

    Understanding Adjustments to Temperature Data
    http://berkeleyearth.org/understanding-adjustments-temperature-data/

    And even if nobody had kept track of temperatures, you have to look around at what is happening and ask yourself: what melts ice on a global scale? Got a clue? So far none of you science-deniers can even answer a basic 1st grade science lesson question.

  99. @anon

    Chapter 8 of the IPCC AR4 report lists 23 computer models which contributed to the AR4 assessment.

    Like how we average the output of the 23 best models of the solar system to get a working model, right? To spell it out: if there are 23 different models, at least 22 are wrong. This is clearly shown in your own graph, where the individual models are wildly at variance. (That’d be the grey spaghetti.) To quote from your own link:

    It’s also clear that some of the models show substantial disagreement, not only with observations, but with other models.

    Also, as it says in your link, models that don’t fit the desired result – that run too hot – have been left out of your average.

    You science deniers get called deniers because you deny the evidence and conclusions of science.

    There IS no scientific evidence involved in climate science, only hypotheses and computer models. That’s why your Mr. Coady D. and Mr. Corry R. feel obliged to dismiss Popper, thereby admitting that climate science is not falsifiable.

    • Replies: @anon
  100. @anon

    Well, a little footnote about climate change should get you thinking and maybe you could illuminate me; a few years back the remains of a village were discovered off the Israeli coast one mile into the sea. Archaeologists dated the village that had been buried out of sight for millennia to around 6500 B. C. To a simple minded person like me that only means that before that era the glaciers were higher than they are today but must have started melting sometime ago with the consequent rise in water level inundating many coastal villages. Where was the human activity that triggered the rise in co2. There are many stories we can recount such as the colonisation and subsequent decolonisation of Green Land by the Vikings because of changes in temperature. All goes to say that what is taken as clear science is more like pseudoscience even when things come to tracing changes in temperatures, the monitoring of such a phenomenon requires millions of temperature monitoring devices to be spread all over the world with data transmission into a supercomputer, which so far I have not heard of any such plan in action. According to one study about climate change I saw on a television documentary recently, the temperatures have risen half a degree in the last 260 years. That sounds to me a pretty stable weather pattern. And I assure you that anything that can wean us off fossil fuel consumption is welcome news to me. However, until such a time that we can be assured of an alternative technology, co2 will still be on the rise which should be a boon for vegetation.
    Trusting pure science is a virtue, unfortunately many of our scientists are willing whores of the PTB.
    I hope that a person of your diligence will get a healthy dose of cynicism when it comes to the so called scientific trends.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Rurik
  101. Nodwink says:

    If the EU just gives up on the Irish border, he’s a hero, with a deal

    genuinely laughing at this, great line

  102. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Owen

    > the environment is recovering fastest

    In your imagination?

    > temperate forests are increasing in area

    Wrong. Deforestation is what is increasing. And tree plantations are not forests, but rather “green deserts” (look up the term), void of the diversity of life a real forest contains.

    > We already use less land

    Wrong. Perhaps you’re unaware of what’s happening in the Amazon right now, rapid deforestation for cattle and soybean production.

    > The Amazon

    Oh, you’re not unaware, you’re just trying to put a deceitful everything-is-awesome PR spin on rapid and record-setting deforestation.

    > a poor carbon sink

    Wrong. Ask NASA…

    > compared to Siberian forest

    Wrong.

    Wildfires Are Turning Important Northern Carbon Sinks Into Major Emitters
    https://www.sciencealert.com/wildfires-in-northern-boreal-forests-are-turning-carbon-sinks-into-climate-heaters

    > It is not yet the Second Coming.

    That’s quite the reveal; you’re one of those fanatical true-believers who thinks they can escape the consequences of environmental destruction with a magic elevator ride. “After the last tree is felled, Jesus will come back.” (James G. Watt, Reagan Administration Interior Secretary)

    > I will not believe

    Of course not, even though the scientific evidence of global warming is clear and abundant; you’ve got your emotionally-comforting science-fiction fantasies.

  103. @anon

    I spent all of May desperately watering newly planted grass plugs. And realizing the existence of the correlation that you demonstrate so convincingly, I lamented that I live in a very, very Blue county.

    Taking my tongue out of my cheek, I suggest you acquaint yourself with paleoclimatology. This link should get you started .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum

    • Replies: @anon
  104. Sbaker says:
    @Futurethirdworlder

    Do I need to state the obvious for the simpleton on the left and the muzzie world: you buy their products and their stocks; so what are you bit”hing about. If you think the market is a problem why do you help it?

  105. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jay Journeyman

    Thanks for the link. Obviously, you haven’t read it, so I suggest you take your own advice and acquaint yourself with paleoclimatology. The same data in Michael Mann’s (and everybody elses’ who has conformed it) “hockey stick” is depicted right there in the first graph (albeit with that little inset at the top right corner showing modern temperature records). Well, what are you waiting for? Get started!
    Graph source: Climate Myth–Hockey stick is broken
    https://skepticalscience.com/broken-hockey-stick.htm

  106. Amon says:

    It is impatience, a sense that the regime is out of touch, that it does not reflect or respond to what people want

    That describes Trump pretty well these days. No new wall sections built, a tax plan that favored his jewish donor class, an immigration plan that speeds up the great replacement, a rush for war with Iran, China and Venezuela, a trade war with China that is sinking the world into another great recession even as we haven’t gotten out of the last one yet, a economic plan that is basically spend, spend, SPEND on the military even as the entire nation crumbles around him and so on.

    Only ones who care about his endless stream of BS is boomers worrying about their 401K’s and the born again Judeo-Christians who pray everyday for the world to go down in flames as part of some inane last days bible prophecy(cherry picking) that says they will fly naked into heaven.

    Boris is no different. He shut down debate not to appear strong, but to force Brexit through so he can start appeasing his foreign paymasters by implementing trade deals with Israel and the US that will reduce the UK to a 3rd world sweat shop nation.

    But hey, I wonder how he will deal with the notion that his no fucks given attitude will result in Scotland, Wales and Ireland going their own ways. Nothing kills a union faster than some imperial idiot pissing on the will of the people.

  107. Amon says:
    @anon

    Last year my country baked for months on end, this year it is hot, wet and endlessly assaulted by thunder storms.

    Something clearly is wrong with the planet, but heaven forbid we talk about.

    It upsets the elite when the people talks.

    • Replies: @anon
  108. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Krull

    > To spell it out: if there are 23 different models, at least 22 are wrong.

    Wrong, dumbass. Ever see all the hurricane tracks from the different models? They’re all “wrong” in your opinion, because the hurricane tracks none of them perfectly, yet they all do provide good information.

    > There IS no scientific evidence involved in climate science

    You’re flat out lying. There is plenty of scientific evidence; Karl Popper isn’t the end-all of defining science, except in your imagination. And eventually, after a long time period of observation, Popper’s falsifiability can be met:

    Here we present a few examples of falsifiable predictions used to understand present and future climates that are made before running a climate model. The first is the well-known wet-get-wetter, dry-get-drier response to warming predicted by Held & Soden, which uses the Clausius-Clapeyron (CC) scaling of saturation vapor pressure. Our recent work has highlighted two additional examples: 1) CC scaling predicts Hadley cell expansion and a poleward shift of midlatitude storm tracks in response to warming, 2) top-of-atmosphere seasonal insolation predicts the seasonal intensity and position of midlatitude storm tracks.

    Falsifiable predictions of climate change
    American Geophysical Union, Fall Meeting 2017, abstract #U43A-05
    http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2017AGUFM.U43A..05S

    And when Popper’s falsifiability is met, you’ll still be denying the vast evidence of climate change, because you are a lying sack of shit who will NEVER admit to the evidence, for emotional, political and/or religious reasons.

    • Replies: @Felix Krull
  109. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Levantine

    Yes, Atlit Yam, off the coast of Alit, Israel, lies in 8-12m of water, with carbon dating between 8900 and 8300 years old. So what? Post-glacial sea level rise is well documented in science, and Alit Yam’ fits right in the sea level rise data, look at the below graph. Nothing mysterious here. What are you trying to prove or say here?

    > decolonisation of Green Land by the Vikings

    You’re grasping for straws. That mile thick ice sheet on Greenland is 400,000 years old; proven by ice core measurements. Remember that.

    So how did Greenland get its name? According to the Icelandic sagas, Erik the Red named it Greenland in an attempt to lure settlers in search of land and the promise of a better life.

    Climate Myth — Greenland was green
    https://skepticalscience.com/greenland-used-to-be-green.htm

    “It was cold when [the Vikings] got there and it was cold when they left.” -Nicolas Young of Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory

    Did the Medieval Warm Period welcome Vikings to Greenland?
    Earth Magazine | American Geosciences Institute
    https://www.earthmagazine.org/article/did-medieval-warm-period-welcome-vikings-greenland

    > many of our scientists are willing whores of the PTB.

    Funny you mention that, it’s true of the climate-denier scientists, such as Roy Spencer, in the pockets of Peabody Coal.

    I was called as an expert witness in the case along with respected climate scientist Dr. Andrew Dessler. We were opposed by the well-known contrarians Drs. Roy Spencer, Richard Lindzen, and William Happer (who has recently received attention related to his charged fees in the case).

    Peabody coal’s contrarian scientist witnesses lose their court case
    Peabody Energy brought contrarians Spencer, Happer, and Lindzen to testify on their behalf, but the judge wasn’t convinced by their case
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/may/02/peabody-coals-contrarian-scientist-witnesses-lose-their-court-case

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  110. Smith says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Yeah, they can probably have their democracy once Chicom leave them the hell alone.

    And really, no homelessness and child poverty in the mainland? Is this Godfree or Brainfree?

  111. Chinaman says:
    @Buck Ransom

    No…I invented it. I guess if there are wiggers, there must Chiggers. I am going to trademark this since I think it will be huge in a few years as mimicry of white people gets old.

    These rioters are more like “Banana”, Yellow on the outside, white on the inside. Actually, that’s not exactly true too since they can’t speak proper English and hold delusional thoughts about the West.

    I think all the riots will stop once they goto America and see for themselve the Bronx, Chicago, Detriot and all the great Cities in America (which I visited). They need to see what real riots look like. HK is nothing.

    They will also understand democracy and freedom really means in the West. They don’t get these euphemisms.

  112. @Realist

    “The guy’s a dumbass…..” …riding his hobbyhorse. He seizes upon a few words in the article in order to launch his attempted hijacking of the thread.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @anon
  113. @anon

    “What are you trying to prove or say here?”

    Thanks for the elaborate graph and links.

    However, my point is that a rise in global temperature did occur without co2 from human activity. If I accept the contention of rising global temperature, how can we tell for sure that it is related to human activity?

    • Replies: @anon
  114. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @Amon

    > Last year my country baked for months on end, this year it is hot, wet and endlessly assaulted by thunder storms.

    That’s what climate scientists predict, less normal weather, more extremes–both more droughts and more extreme downpours. The more we see observe the consequences of global warming, the more climate denialists retreat from their “it’s not happening” and “it’s not us” myths to their “it’s not bad” fallback position.

    > It upsets the elite when the people talks.

    Most certainly it does, but the common man is extremely upset too; everything he considers “civilized progress” suddenly has unforeseen consequences and heavy unconsidered costs attached to it.

    p.s. Being conservative and rural, I myself was a bit of a climate change doubter much like many of the commenters here, because climate denial actually gets more air time on the media than real science.* But watching friends in the farming business suffer the last few years from both droughts and extreme downpours, as predicted by climate scientists, got me to thinking and studying, and after heavy study over a few weeks, I became convinced that the climate science isn’t a scam, but very real. The scam is climate denial, and it’s as bad as Big Tobacco’s denial of the allegedly “junk science” that shows smoking is harmful to your health. Fact is, I’m pretty pissed off that I got snookered by the scam, but glad I found out it was a scam, because actually understanding what is happening has already saved me a whole bunch of heartache and money just this year. Now I’m living life as smart as an insurance industry re-insurance agent I know. 🙂 Oh yeah, the insurance industry knows climate change is happening, because they have to pay out for it. The climate deniers try to falsely paint those aware of the science as Leftists, while they stupidly ignore that acknowledgement of climate science could just as easily be used by the Right to effect right-wing policy like limiting immigration, as I mentioned in comment #28. I say GRASP THE NETTLE!

    * Climate Deniers Have Enjoyed Way More Media Coverage Than Scientists in Recent Decades
    https://www.sciencealert.com/climate-deniers-got-far-more-media-attention-than-scientists-this-century

    • Replies: @Rurik
  115. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Carpe verbum!

    > in order to launch his attempted hijacking

    Aww, now you sound as angry and bitter as a Remainer bellyaching that Boris hijacked democracy. I say, let you howl. 🙂

  116. TTSSYF says:
    @anon

    Your side of the political spectrum is the side that tells us that homosexuality is 100% genetic, with zero choice involved, but, at the same time, “gender” is “fluid”, race is a mere “social construct”, and every human everywhere is born a blank slate, with every bit as much capability as becoming the next Einstein as anyone (except white men, who carry genetic guilt for having achieved so much through the centuries).

    You’re spitting in the “global warming” — I mean, “climate change” — I mean, “extreme weather” (there, did I get it right?) wind if you think the majority of people are going to take man-made sorry — excuse me for that “micro-aggression”) “human-caused” global warming seriously as long as there is not one peep from your side about overpopulation.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
  117. “These leaders are men of action not words. And their countrymen are cheering their decisiveness.”

    Hitler was one of them. Did you forget, Mr. Buchanan?

  118. Rurik says:
    @Joe Levantine

    Thanks Joe,

    I should have added to the sophist and the devil the ideological drone.

    Yes, it does get tiresome to banter with a fool. And even worse is the ideological fool.

    I mean come on Joe? Climate Change caused the Syrian war?!

    This is vile dishonestly most foul.

    When these agenda-driven asshats spew their blather about how ‘Climate Change caused this or that’, what they’re also doing is running cover for the actual criminals perpetrating very real human catastrophes. Pretending that the Syrian conflict is caused by CC, they give a pass to the war criminals Obama, McCain and Hillary.

    Here these lying rats try to blame CC for myriad conflicts,

    https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/conflicts-affected-by-climate-change/

    ignoring and giving a pass to the Saudi and ZUS war criminals perpetrating the horrors in Yemen, and elsewhere.

    So as our government partners with the Saudis to starve Yemen into submission, out of the crevices slither the CC liars. They are utterly unscrupulous. They’ll tell any lie, in their insane obsession to get their Social Justice Carbon Tax.

    It is weird how weather specialists do not focus on the relationship between the weather and the most powerful influencer of all cosmic activity in our part of the universe, the sun.

    Not so weird when you understand what motivates them. The sun can’t be used as a pretext to tax people and exert more power over them all, in order to implement their idea of ‘social justice’.

    The Yellow Vests understand the paradigm all too well. Use Climate Change hysteria and lies, as a pretext to tax the snot out of the working class French men and women, in order to facilitate a massive demographic replacement of same.

    The French government has no problem with increasing the numbers of prolific denizens of France using fossil fuels, so long as those denizens are not ethnic French.

    It’s almost as if Climate Change ‘solutions’ dovetails so perfectly with the Jewish supremacist agenda, that – it’s as if they’d created it themselves! Power to tax every nation and backwater on the planet – specifically targeting rural communities that require gas powered vehicles. The state power to demand people change their behavior in ways that suit the ((PTB)). Have a smaller ‘footprint’ because they’re going to exponentially explode the number of Third World consumer units living where you now live. It’s all a Jewish supremacist wet dream.

    Brow-beat and heap scourge upon these people as everything that is wrong with the world and the death of the environment..

    http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/farm-family-sitting-on-truck-picture-id640505039?s=170667a

    In order to make room for these people,

    who’s migratory waves into the West will utterly destroy every last blade of grass, in their insane hatred for the people in the previous photo.

    But it’s all to save the planet from Bubba and his F150!

    Billions more people are not the problem, no! So long as all those billions are properly taxed and controlled and dominated, then they make excellent consumer units/cannon fodder.

    The whole rotten, transparent scheme stinks to high heaven.

    If they gave a rat’s ass about the environment, or the ecology of the planet, then they would mention the elephant in the living room. But they never, ever do. It’s always ‘we need the Social Justice Carbon Tax!!!’ We need a global effort with the power to tax everyone, everywhere, in order to change their behavior. That’s Jewish supremacism on acid.

    God bless you too Joe.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
    , @anon
  119. Rurik says:
    @anon

    Science deniers always project.

    like a ‘Holocaust’ denier, huh?

    After your ‘Climate Change caused the Syrian war’ idiocy, you’re nothing but a laughing mock.

    a pathetic, lying chump. And everyone here knows it, because the people who lurk at this site, are politically savvy enough to know who actually caused the Syrian conflict and why.

    Just as the same rotten scum are busy starving Yemen to death, while pathetic lying shills like you screech your agenda-driven pablum. ‘The people of the earth need to bow down to the Social Justice Carbon Tax, or we’re all going to die!!’

    Lol

    • Replies: @anon
  120. Rurik says:
    @Philip Owen

    And yet, the environment is recovering fastest in rich densely populated countries in Europe and East Asia. To paraphrase Matt Ridley: Wolves (rich countries) are thriving.

    That’s your metric? That a few wolf populations in remote locals have recovered (due to protections)?

    I wonder how he (Pyrenean ibex)

    feels about that?

    Carbon taxes, packaging taxes, property taxes to discourages sprawl and encourage rewilding, these would be convincing too.

    We can reduce our environmental impact and live 22nd Century lifestyles. We are clever monkeys. Just adjust the incentives.

    ah yes, the “incentives”

  121. Rurik says:
    @Joe Levantine

    co2 will still be on the rise which should be a boon for vegetation.

    The problems is Joe, that it is very much part and parcel of their greater agenda that soon there will be very little vegetation left on the planet.

    These Carbon Tax nuts have never given a ‘f’ about the environment, and have every intention of seeing every last blade of grass crushed under their planned tsunami of Third World people they intend to use as their pretext to gain Absolute and Total power over everyone and everything.

    That is their obsession, and Climate Change is just another ruse in their tool box.

    Just like ‘gun control’ is about them getting TOTAL power over us.

    Do you think these anti-gun crybabies actually care about people getting shot?

    They had orgasms when those country music fans were shot by that SJW. It created tingles down all their legs. But that doesn’t stop them from screeching at every shooting that ‘we need to get the guns!’

    How can we turn white Americans into Kulaks if they still have their guns?!

    Isn’t it funny how all the Climate Change liars and shills, are also coincidentally anti-gun crusaders?! And they’re all, almost to a person, pro-immigrant, (our current shill’s dishonest posturing notwithstanding ; ).

    Those who love the Social Justice Carbon Tax – also by default, love a big and powerful and centralized government with the teeth to enforce its edicts on everyone.

    Which by default, means they hate guns in the hands of free citizens.

    What our government did to Libya and Syria and Iraq and so many others, they never have a problem with. If they even mention such horrors and treachery, it’s always to dissemble and deflect the blame from the guilty, and place it directly at the feet of white, American men driving pickup trucks with gun racks in the back window.

    They’re! the ones who caused that little Syrian boy to wash ashore. It’s their God damn Ford trucks and their racist guns that killed all those Syrians!

    Obama and Hillary did all they could, but when you have white American men driving carbon-spewing trucks (with guns in them!), how could Obama possibly protect the Syrians from those racists with their gasoline engines?! Causing Climate Change and civil wars all the way over in Syria!

    (I wish I was joking).

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  122. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    You’re still lying, and assigning politics to me that are not mine. But if you think lying about my politics is an effective method of debating science, you’re running about average for a science-denier, so carry on.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  123. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @TTSSYF

    > Your side of the political spectrum

    Which is rural, conservative, 100% Republican voter for decades.

    > is the side that tells us that homosexuality is 100% genetic… born a blank slate…

    Liar. Homosexuality is not 100% genetic, and we’re not born blank slates, nor do I associate with any of the other monkey shit you’re flinging like an angry sheboon in da hood. It’s a wonder you don’t shout “Worldstar!” after that girlishly emotional rant. But thank you for demonstrating the sophomoric method science-deniers “debate.” By lies and smears. Because you’re not man enough for a cold, rational, dispassionate debate about climate science, punk.

    > You’re spitting in the “global warming” — I mean, “climate change”

    Here we go again, trotting out yet another science-denier lie that “they changed the name,” but that’s what liars do. To correct you:

    The argument “they changed the name” suggests that the term ‘global warming’ was previously the norm, and the widespread use of the term ‘climate change’ is now. However, this is simply untrue. For example, a seminal climate science work is Gilbert Plass’ 1956 study ‘The Carbon Dioxide Theory of Climatic Change’ (which coincidentally estimated the climate sensitivity to a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide at 3.6°C, not far off from today’s widely accepted most likely value of 3°C). Barrett and Gast published a letter in Science in 1971 entitled simply ‘Climate Change’. The journal ‘Climatic Change’ was created in 1977 (and is still published today). The IPCC was formed in 1988, and of course the ‘CC’ is ‘climate change’, not ‘global warming’. There are many, many other examples of the use of the term ‘climate change’ many decades ago. There is nothing new whatsoever about the usage of the term.

    In fact, according to Google Books, the usage of both terms in books published in the United States has increased at similar rates over the past 40 years:

    Climate Myth — They changed the name from ‘global warming’ to ‘climate change’
    https://skepticalscience.com/climate-change-global-warming.htm

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  124. Rurik says:
    @anon

    Oh yeah, the insurance industry knows climate change is happening, because they have to pay out for it.

    this is David Geffen’s Malibu home which recently sold for $85 million.

    Why would any insurance company insure such house, since Trump repudiated Paris, and that means that house will be under-water in a few months, or years at best?

    Perhaps more to the point, is why would anyone with half a brain pay even 85 cents for it, unless they intended to turn it into a marina.

    As of yet, I don’t believe any zoning changes have been requested at the City of Malibu to make the property into a marina. Go figure..

    Even in the Maldives Islands, slated to be underwater in weeks, if not days,

    People are still paying good money for property there, and insurance companies are insuring them.

    Are they all really that dumb?

    • Replies: @anon
  125. Rurik says:
    @anon

    and assigning politics to me that are not mine.

    I was talking to anon299

    You’re anon(coward)304

    if you ‘anon’ cowards can’t even keep your ‘anons’ straight, then how the fuck do you expect us to know which ‘anon’ we’re talking to?

    If you had a shred of ball-sack, you pick a simple handle. I’d even be willing to suggest some for you, if you lack the imagination.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  126. TTSSYF says:
    @anon

    Try suggesting to anyone on the political Left that there is any choice in homosexuality and see how far you get before you’re met with an onslaught of verbal attacks and accusations of homophobia. Try telling anyone on the political Left that Bruce Jenner is male and that every cell in his body is screaming “XY!” and, no matter how big his breast implants are, how much plastic surgery he has done to his face, how expensive an evening dress he puts on, or what he calls himself, he’s still just a nearly-70-year-old male with a public sexual fetish, and see how far you get before the Left goes nuts. Try suggesting you believe in being a good environmental steward, recycling, and being careful with limited resources but that you’re agnostic about whether humans are contributing to global warming and see how far you get before someone like you goes berserk with accusations of your being a “science denier,” as you’ve demonstrated all too clearly in your hysterical comments. Try suggesting that we ought to address the problem of overpopulation, particularly in Africa, and see how far you get with the political Left before you are accused of racism, etc.

    I repeat: The majority of Americans aren’t going to put much stock in anthropomorphic global warming as long as we’re having to deal with a bunch of juvenile hysterics shrieking as you do about the world coming to an end but won’t even allow a discussion on things that have a direct bearing on the environment and quality of life and are immediately do-able; i.e., population control.

    • Replies: @anon
  127. EdNels says:
    @Philip Owen

    Leading edge pharmaceuticals, the world’s best civilian jet engines for big planes and CCGT turbines for power generation, financial services that out compete NewYork (which is why they won’t be allowed in – like Concord), medical devices (the NHS is a big

    Thanks Philip for citing these many contributions to modern world from Britain, easy to forget sometimes in the confused state of things. Used to be so many old world style quality not much seen now with ”just in time” knock-off ersatz magoria.

    But too, Pat wrote a decent article above, beneath and beyond the obsessions with climate and weather, if there is any future for national identities outside of EU or NWO Global this and the other, what will happen when Britain come running to America for market deals? Let’s see what T-rump will say to that arrangement. (Gotcha!)

  128. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    You’re starting to sound like Mr. Revusky.

    And why are you playing straight man to a thread-hijacking clown?

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @anon
  129. @anon

    Your link doesn’t work.

    Ever see all the hurricane tracks from the different models?

    We’re not talking hurricane tracks, we’re talking mean temperature, and the divergence between some of the models are by orders of magnitude, not even in the same ballpark. But indeed, it is food for thought that your climate “scientists” can’t even predict a hurricane track a few days into the future.

    I once spoke to a geologist who studied volcanoes and worked at an earthquake lab monitoring mount Etna in Italy. They had several hundred sensors emplaced in a 100 km2 grid around the volcano and a finely grained 3D-model of the local crust based on hundreds of sample drillings. He figured he could predict an eruption ten hours in advance.

    I worked with financial models, many of which were off by sometimes 20% on a year-on-year basis, and the financial system was created by humans – the climate is infinitely more complex.

    And when Popper’s falsifiability is met…

    So, let me get this right: if the polarization of wet/dry fails to meet the prediction made by these gentlemen, you would then declare than indeed, yes, then the model must be considered falsified and cast aside? No, I didn’t think so.

    Because every time a model has failed in its predictive power in the past, it has simply been “adjusted”. In fact, we regularly get reports of model failure in the mainstream media; ten years ago it was a weekly headline that “Scientists predict that the planet will heat up faster than hitherto predicted”. The fact that climate model apparently are being debunked on a production line basis, doesn’t seem to faze journalists. In fact they seem to think that if a model is showing too little warming, it is a sign that climate “science” is even more right than hitherto predicted.

    • Replies: @anon
  130. @Rurik

    “The Yellow Vests understand the paradigm all too well. Use Climate Change hysteria and lies, as a pretext to tax the snot out of the working class French men and women, in order to facilitate a massive demographic replacement of same.

    The French government has no problem with increasing the numbers of prolific denizens of France using fossil fuels, so long as those denizens are not ethnic French.”

    Three thousand demonstrators march for one day in Moscow, half of them from outside Moscow, and the world Zionist media goes berserk with its coverage. Many months of heroic protests by French citizens under the Yellow Vest movement and we hardly see it on Western MSM. Meanwhile the PTB catapults the rookie Macron into the presidency after he has proven to be world class traitor for his country, when as French Minister of Economy, destroyed the nuclear energy independence of France by agreeing to the sale of Alston to GE. And this same president is keen on projecting his One World credentials by posing with two topless black guys while one of them displays an obscene sign with his finger.

    I pity the French Republic and the White race for having to struggle against such impossible odds while they are being brainwashed into self hatred and I pray for a modern day Charles Martel to save the day for the White race and Europe.

    The nauseating lies of the United Nations about climate change acting as a catalyst for world conflicts makes a mockery of human intelligence. All the human disasters in the Middle East are new chapters in the Greater Israel saga while the Western world is debating the sex of the angels in the guise of political correctness.

    This is ‘1984’ and ‘Brave New World’ at full throttle.

    How far will it go before we see the light at the end of the tunnel? Not before a world crisis of biblical proportions gets the citizen of the world out of their apathy courtesy of the brave and the fearless.

    “ it does not take a majority to prevail… but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.” Samuel Adams. I hope that all is not lost.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  131. @Rurik

    “What our government did to Libya and Syria and Iraq and so many others, they never have a problem with. If they even mention such horrors and treachery, it’s always to dissemble and deflect the blame from the guilty, and place it directly at the feet of white, American men driving pickup trucks with gun racks in the back window.”

    I guess real gun control should start with the Pentagon. Indeed, what hypocrites are all those lefties clamouring for the confiscation of the guns of ordinary people while never raising a finger against the obscene massacres that were perpetrated by the ZOG of ZUSA.

    Unfortunately, so few are cognisant of this simple fact!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  132. anon[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    The only “dumb” here is you. Homeowner’s insurance do not insure for floods; flood insurance is separate. And it’s government subsidized, although that’s changing in 2020.

    A string of costly natural disasters and worsening flooding caused by sea level rise has saddled the program with debt, topping $30 billion in 2017…

    As Risks Rise, An Overhaul Announced for Federal Flood Insurance
    https://e360.yale.edu/digest/as-risks-rise-an-overhaul-announced-for-federal-flood-insurance

    Like I said, dumbass, go talk to an insurance reinsurer; they’re well aware of global warming’s impact on their bottom line.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  133. anon[273] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Krull

    Over and over again, you prove yourself completely ignorant about scientific models. I’m not going to correct you, because you not only do not wish to learn, you can’t. It goes to show that most white Unz readers are as scientifically illiterate as most blacks in the hood are functionally illiterate. Intelligence does matter.

    P.S. the link works, if you copy and paste it. If that complexity isn’t above your IQ.

    • Replies: @Felix Krull
  134. anon[273] • Disclaimer says:
    @TTSSYF

    > I repeat: The majority of Americans aren’t going to put much stock in anthropomorphic global warming

    Repeat yourself all you want, not only do a majority of Americans already accept the scientific evidence for AGW, most Republicans do too.

    Even more notable: A slim majority of Republicans—52 percent—understand that climate change is real.

    The Unprecedented Surge in Fear About Climate Change
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/do-most-americans-believe-climate-change-polls-say-yes/580957/

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  135. Rurik says:
    @anonymous

    And why are you playing straight man to a thread-hijacking clown?

    because it riles me when scoundrels highjack an issue like the environment to insinuate their devil’s agendas.

    We humans are destroying the environment, and it’s accursed thing we’re doing.

    Never mind even the myriad species we’re mindlessly wiping out for all time, (out of those twin pillars of humanness – hatred and greed), but if you simply consider the generations of humans (assuming most humans don’t give a rip about the rest of creation), then what our generation is doing, is a monstrous sin. Leaving the planet we inherited poisoned and barren for the next generations to curse us in our graves.

    Luminaries with a shred of appreciation for the miracles of nature, like Jacques Cousteau for instance, tried desperately to warn us all, but those warning fell on deaf ears, when calculated against the literally infinite greed and hatred of the blackened human heart.

    And that black rot of the human soul, is nowhere as evident than in those whom would co-opt the very real catastrophe of our era, in order to impose even more of their greed for lucre, power and domination over a reeling planet.

    They’re not satisfied that the earth is being raped dry, unless they too get to take their turn (with their Social Justice Carbon tax). Exploding numbers of humans are nothing to worry about, so long as the scumfucks of the world can tax and control them all.

    (and yes, I said scumfucks. Even tho that’s harsh language. Infinite human greed and tribal hatreds are harsh and ugly and unpleasant things.)

  136. Rurik says:
    @Joe Levantine

    The nauseating lies of the United Nations about climate change acting as a catalyst for world conflicts makes a mockery of human intelligence. All the human disasters in the Middle East are new chapters in the Greater Israel saga while the Western world is debating the sex of the angels in the guise of political correctness.

    Succinctly and well-stated.

    Saying Climate Change was responsible for the Syrian (and Yemen and other) conflicts is beyond insulting for so many reasons.

    • There’s zero actual scientific evidence that humans are responsible for any actual changes in the climate, which has been changing for eons, even for hundreds of millions of years before humans ever showed up.

    • Anyone with a shred of brains knows the real reasons for these wars and serial destabilizations being implemented by nefarious actors- is to bolster Israel. Duh.

    • And it’s the very same rotten scumfucks who’re foisting both the wars and the Climate Change hysteria- for their own eternal and tiresome agendas. Domination and control. In a word; power.

    Always, always always with their insane imperative for more (and always more) power.

    This is ‘1984’ and ‘Brave New World’ at full throttle.

    yep

    “Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.”.

    How far will it go before we see the light at the end of the tunnel? Not before a world crisis of biblical proportions gets the citizen of the world out of their apathy courtesy of the brave and the fearless.

    The only hope, sadly- is the collapse of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

    And the tragedy of that, is before they let that happen, they will bury the planet in a cloud of radioactive death.

    Israel and the Federal Reserve Bank are more or less one and the same. The former would/could not exist without the latter. Israel has declared its Sampson Option, and there is no doubt a similar protocol is in the works if and when the dollar collapses.

    In this way, the biblical accounts of the apocalypse and the anti-Christ (Israel) are all but true.

    Will even a global nuclear conflagration nudge the cud-chewers out of their bovine apathy, and rouse them for the first time in their consumer-driven lives to think?

    I doubt it.

    But perhaps that won’t be necessary. When the dollar collapses, and Russia becomes ascendant, as the new Rome of the West, ((they)) will likely go all out and start a nuclear war. I doubt even that would jostle the world’s sheople out of their self-imposed catatonic state. But hardship will forge a new people, less bovine and decadent, and the grand cycle will simply churn on, as it always has.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Joe Levantine
  137. Rurik says:
    @Joe Levantine

    what hypocrites are all those lefties clamouring for the confiscation of the guns of ordinary people while never raising a finger against the obscene massacres that were perpetrated by the ZOG of ZUSA.

    Unfortunately, so few are cognisant of this simple fact!

    The exact same people who screech about gun control (and Climate Change), are the exact same people who were gushing over Trump, (and calling him presidential), when he illegally sent missiles into Syria, causing death and destruction to a nation and people that had done us no harm, but were instead fighting head-slicers who our government had foisted upon Syria.

    The hypocrisy is mind-numbing.

    Guns and weapons of death and murder are all great!, when used against innocent men, women and children, so long as it’s in the service of Israel.

    But in the hands of an American in Nebraska or Colorado, they’re the most wicked thing on the planet.

    Keep your guns, Americans. For God’s sake and for your own, never, ever relinquish your guns.

    • Replies: @anon
  138. Rurik says:
    @anon

    Homeowner’s insurance do not insure for floods;

    So floods are too expensive, but when your whole house is underwater due to ‘rising sea levels’, that’s OK?

    ‘Sure, we’ll insure that home for property damage even as it’s slated to be under the rising sea levels, but there’s no way we’re insuring it for a flood!’

    ‘The rising sea levels will inundate it as surely as Bubba’s Ford pickup is responsible for the Syrian war. But that’s a gradual inevitability, where as floods are uncertain and unpredictable events.’

    Huh?

    • Replies: @anon
  139. anon[407] • Disclaimer says:

    > the myriad species we’re mindlessly wiping out for all time

    True, and almost half are climate-related extinctions.

    The results show that climate-related local extinctions have already occurred in hundreds of species, including 47% of the 976 species surveyed.

    Wiens JJ (2016) Climate-Related Local Extinctions Are Already Widespread among Plant and Animal Species. PLoS Biol 14(12): e2001104. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pbio.2001104

    > and yes, I said scumfucks

    Does (1) knowing about something, (2) deliberately hiding it, (3) funding campaigns to debunk as “junk science” your own science so that (4) you can continue to profit from it, meet your criteria for scumfucks? Exxon knew from their scientists’ research back in the 80s exactly what would happen as earth’s coal beds and oil fields were evaporated into the atmosphere.

    In the 1980s, oil companies like Exxon and Shell carried out internal assessments of the carbon dioxide released by fossil fuels, and forecast the planetary consequences of these emissions. In 1982, for example, Exxon predicted that by about 2060, CO2 levels would reach around 560 parts per million [SEE CHART ABOVE] – double the preindustrial level – and that this would push the planet’s average temperatures up by about 2°C over then-current levels (and even more compared to pre-industrial levels).

    Shell and Exxon’s secret 1980s climate change warnings | The Guardian, 19 Sep 2018

    Exxon knew.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  140. Rurik says:
    @anon

    > the myriad species we’re mindlessly wiping out for all time

    True, and almost half are climate-related extinctions.

    this is the thing..

    is it actually possible for any semi-sentient being, to be this astoundingly fucked in the head?

    Or, (more likely), are lexical manure piles like that, a direct consequence of agenda-driven liars?

    Species are being driven to extinction almost entirely by exponentially exploding numbers of humans- and the consequent destruction of those species habitats, as they try to complete with humans for the territory. The very cause of environmental devastation ~ that is as verboten to mention in Climate Change circles as the activity of the sun is on the earth’s temperatures.

    Does (1) knowing about something, (2) deliberately hiding it, (3) funding campaigns to debunk as “junk science” your own science so that (4) you can continue to profit from it, meet your criteria for scumfucks?

    Yes, if you’re talking about the tobacco industry or Monsanto or depleted uranium, or scores of other scumfucks who put profits ahead of human well-being. Like the actual scientists who understand the impact of sheer human numbers on the environment and extinction of species, but very carefully *never* mention it.

    They are all, scumfucks.

    • Replies: @anon
  141. anon[286] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    > which has been changing for eons

    Species have been going extinct for eons, and pointing out that species have been going extinct on their own for eons conclusively proves that humans cannot be blamed for species going extinct now! Your own “logic,” btw. Tada! 🙂

    And since you believe that species are going extinct because of human activity, that means you’re humanity-hating, communism-loving, purple-haired, gun-grabbing, puppy-beating progressive. Again, per your own “logic.”

  142. anon[286] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    > The hypocrisy is mind-numbing.

    True, true, but so is yours, even more mind-numbingly.

    You keep claiming that (1) humans are causing extinctions of many species, yet you also continue with the claim that (2) if an event happened naturally in the past, that humans cannot be held responsible for the same sort of event happening now.

    You’re contradicting yourself. One of your premises is wrong.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  143. anon[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    > the consequent destruction of those species habitats

    True. Do you realize that the habitability of an environment is heavily influenced by climate?

    As temperatures increase, the habitat ranges of many North American species are moving north and to higher elevations. In recent decades, in both land and aquatic environments, plants and animals have moved to higher elevations at a median rate of 36 feet (0.011 kilometers) per decade, and to higher latitudes at a median rate of 10.5 miles (16.9 kilometers) per decade. While this means a range expansion for some species, for others it means movement into less hospitable habitat, increased competition, or range reduction, with some species having nowhere to go because they are already at the top of a mountain or at the northern limit of land suitable for their habitat.[4][5] These factors lead to local extinctions of both plants and animals in some areas. As a result, the ranges of vegetative biomes are projected to change across 5-20% of the land in the United States by 2100.[4]

    United States Environmental Protection Agency | Climate Impacts on Ecosystems
    https://19january2017snapshot.epa.gov/climate-impacts/climate-impacts-ecosystems_.html

    And as a previous scientific journal I quoted said, 47% of extinctions are due to climate-change induced loss of habitat.

    But, by all means, fly off the handle with your girlishly emotional rhetoric and say I’m against guns or some stupid shit, even though I just built another AR-15. The natural sciences are for us coldly rational men, and you definitely aren’t one of us.

  144. Rurik says:
    @anon

    (1) humans are causing extinctions of many species, yet you also continue with the claim that (2) if an event happened naturally in the past, that humans cannot be held responsible for the same sort of event happening now.

    presumably, the ‘event’ you’re talking about is how the climate of planet Earth has fluctuated wildly for billions of years. Up to and including thousands of years ago, and including today.

    Yea, and I’m saying there were no humans just a few hundreds of thousands of years ago, and yet the climate ran the gamut of extremes. So, if it does so with zero human activity, then slight fluctuation are not automatically attributable to human activity. Duh.

    Whereas human destruction of species habitats are in-your-face obvious.

    • Replies: @anon
  145. anon[197] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    There have been five previous mass extinction events in earth’s history, and the few species going extinct now are thus “not automatically attributable to human activity. Duh”!!! And since you are blaming humans for extinctions of other species, even though it has happened in the past, you are therefore a purple-haired, rug-munching, communism-advocating, gun-grabbing, truck-hating, fudge-packing pederast, per your own “logic.”

    > slight fluctuation

    On a geological time scale, the globe temperature rise is fluctuating only slightly less rapidly than that caused by an asteroid impact, very much faster than other climatic changes, such as the last Glacial Termination or the PETM.

    Figure: A comparison between rates of mean global temperature rise during: (1) the last Glacial Termination (after Shakun et al. 2012); (2) the PETM (Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, after Kump 2011); (3) the late Anthropocene (1750–2016), and (4) an asteroid impact. In the latter instance temperature due to CO₂ rise would lag by some weeks or months behind aerosol-induced cooling
    Source: Andrew Glikson, Blueprints of future climate trends: Extreme GHG and temperature rise rates question linear climate projections http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2019/09/blueprints-of-future-climate-trends.html

  146. anon[103] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    > when your whole house is underwater

    The damage from flooding caused by sea level rise isn’t a case of the “whole house being underwater,” Miss Drama Queen. Ask your insurance agent about that, ok? Here’s the kind of chart he’s seeing:

    “King tides” have been taking a toll on Miami for a number of years, and the phenomenon is only getting worse because of sea-level rise from human-induced climate change.

    Sea level rise is combining with other factors to regularly flood Miami
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/08/08/analysis-sea-level-rise-is-combining-with-other-factors-regularly-flood-miami/?noredirect=on

    But if you really think you’re correct about sea levels not rising from global warming, then why doesn’t the science-denier community underwrite flood insurance in Miami? You’re missing out on make a killing!!!! 🙂

  147. anon[536] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    The article speaks of climate change; therefore, so do I. Rurik speaks of homosexuality, gun control, species extinction, teh joos, & c., etc., none of which are addressed in the original article. Now who is the thread-hijacking clown?

    Maybe you need to consider this email from Alex Flint, Executive Director of Alliance for Market Solution.

    Because you’re the kind of goddamn clown who irresponsibly imagines there are zero consequences for human actions.

    P.S. I have an argument against a carbon tax, using the factual evidence of climate science, but one has to understand the science first, and I don’t think you’re up to that. You science-deniers are low-IQ scientific-illiterates, and as disruptive in a intellectual discussion about science as Negroes are in a NYC classroom.

    • Troll: Rurik
    • Replies: @anonymous
  148. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    All that memo shows is that there are people playing politic$ with the issue.

    How many of the comments in this thread are yours?

    Any idea why your # changes? (This happens to me only rarely when I’m here at Starship 340.)

    • Replies: @anon
  149. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Whut? People play politics?

    Charles Koch has been a longtime supporter of “Libertarian” causes…a “kingpin of climate science denial”… https://www.desmogblog.com/charles-koch

    I do hope your grandkids enjoy the LoLbertarian solution to climate change in underground cities with short, compact bodies and curved spines moving around in tight spaces will be no problem. God forbid the Kochs make a dollar less.

    The David H. Koch Hall of Human Origins, at the Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History, is a multimedia exploration of the theory that mankind evolved in response to climate change…An interactive game in the exhibit suggests that humans will continue to adapt to climate change in the future. People may build “underground cities,” developing “short, compact bodies” or “curved spines,” so that “moving around in tight spaces will be no problem.”
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/08/30/covert-operations


    A future in which nobody has a spine to stand up to scumfuck fossil fuel billionaires is the LoLbertarians’ political wet-dream. Soon!!! 🙂

  150. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Levantine

    > how can we tell for sure that it is related to human activity?

    Good question! We can tell, for sure by (1) the known fact humans are evaporating megatons of earth’s coal beds and oil fields into the atmosphere, (2) the known fact that CO2 has nearly doubled, and—here’s the clincher whereby we’re sure— (3) quantifying the percentage of CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere via isotopic signature studies (showing less naturally occurring CO2), the first in 1957, and many to follow, that prove it is humans doing it.


    Source: Climate Myth: CO2 increase is natural, not human-caused
    https://skepticalscience.com/co2-increase-is-natural-not-human-caused.htm

    This whole confusion about natural/human CO2 rise can be illustrated by a dam breaking and causing a flood, and the dam builder, trying to excuse the collapse of the dam, saying that since the river had floods before that naturally occurred over millennia, it just can’t be that his dam caused it. Do you swallow that? If you do, you’ll swallow the billionaire fossil fuel climate denialists excuses too.

    In short, just as nature creates floods, but humans can too; so nature creates global warming, but humans can too.

  151. @anon

    So the reply to my question of whether you’d consider MMGW falsified if a model fails its predictions is: “You stupid”.

    Got it.

    • Replies: @anon
  152. TTSSYF says:
    @anon

    I also believe that climate change is “real”, so I guess that means I’m not a “climate denier”. What you haven’t answered is how many of that “slim majority of Republicans” believe that climate change is being brought upon by human activity or whether it’s beyond our control. And it is amusing how you steadfastly refuse to address the issue of over-population. That is something humans could do something about immediately. Maybe you don’t mind the idea of living in an America of 500 million people or more and an African continent denuded of plants and exotic animals as the population skyrockets from under 200 million (in the early 20th century) to a billion or more in the next 60 years or so, but I do. If we’re going to do triage on the planet, how about we start with the most obvious and most readily do-able things? We can do that and still be good environmental stewards, even if we don’t profess a blind acceptance of anthropomorphic climate change as you seem to think is so essential, like babies being baptized.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @anon
  153. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Krull

    The global warming models haven’t ‘failed,” try as you might to construe that they have. Here’s a very early global warming model by James Hansen from 1981:

    With the latest temperature data imposed on it:

    Now do show us where Hansen’s model “failed” to predict global warming, dumbass. And after you fail to show us like the coward you are, tomorrow you’ll start banging away again like a retarded monkey about how models failed.

    • Replies: @Felix Krull
  154. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @TTSSYF

    He/she/they will ignore or deflect your fairly put, good faith point.

    I suspect that the ###ing is used to evade the recently imposed limit on comments per thread.

    • Replies: @anon
  155. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @TTSSYF

    > you steadfastly refuse to address the issue of over-population…Maybe you don’t mind the idea of living in an America of 500 million

    Wrong. Go read comments #27 and #28, in which I address that, and even propose a fantasy article in which the Right could use global warming to effectively push political issues, namely, “How Immigration May Affect Climate Change Mitigation: Immigration Overloads our Resources Needed to Manage Extreme Weather Events.”

    > a blind acceptance of anthropomorphic climate change

    Nothing blind about it, the scientific evidence is clear and overwhelming, it’s simply accepting reality. Sometimes reality is hard to accept. The reality is our modern industrial way of life that is dependent on evaporating earth’s coal beds and oil fields into the atmosphere has grave consequences that we failed to consider before becoming literally addicted to it. The blindness is all yours, you’re trying to maintain a comforting smokescreen to the consequences of human actions. It’s childishly immature to ignore consequences for actions, but even adult drug addicts do it all the time.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  156. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    > will ignore or deflect your fairly put, good faith point.

    You’re projecting your own deflection and smear tactics here.

    > evade the recently imposed limit on comments per thread.

    Nope, I don’t do that. One can easily determine that from time stamps of comments that I posted that you’re lying. But you do demonstrate that you reality-deniers always lie. That’s sad, and the furthest thing from an alleged fairly put, good faith point.

    It’s time for you science-deniers to face up to the science, and start creating non-Leftist political proposals derived from the scientific evidence. Unless you want to get rolled over by the steam-roller called reality. It has a way of doing that. And it happened to the Big Tobacco science-deniers. In the next decade or two, the acceleration of global warming temperatures is going to do the same to you. Things are just getting cranked up; you do understand exponential function, correct?

    Graph source: Global warming will happen faster than we think
    Nature | 05 December 2018
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07586-5

    • Replies: @Felix Krull
  157. TTSSYF says:
    @anon

    It’s not merely a matter of immigration. It’s overpopulation, especially in Africa. As long as there is no requirement that Africans stop having five, six, seven, or more children in return for foreign aid, there is a problem. A billion Africans are not going to want to remain in Africa. Try suggesting that and see how far you get before being excoriated for being a racist, bigot, xenophobe, etc.

    I can have one 14-pound dog, and my small, fenced backyard can well accommodate it. I don’t want all of the dogs in the neighborhood to dig under the fence and let themselves in and start tearing up my well-tended yard and leaving dog piles everywhere. I don’t hate the neighbors’ dogs. I’m a dog-lover. I just don’t want them in my backyard. Ditto illegal and excessive legal immigration into my country or irresponsible people over-producing on the planet like rabbits…or as you might say, immature adults who refuse to face the reality of finite resources, including their own financial resources.

    Why don’t you head over to the Huff Post, where you can vent your spleen and have 99% agreement?

    • Replies: @anon
  158. @Rurik

    “ Israel and the Federal Reserve Bank are more or less one and the same. The former would/could not exist without the latter. Israel has declared its Sampson Option, and there is no doubt a similar protocol is in the works if and when the dollar collapses.“

    BULLSEYE ! That is one reason that I have always thought that Israel will flounder with the demise of the NWO which is getting closer by the day as the greatest Ponzi scheme that the world has ever known is about to explode under the weight of more than 250 trillion Dollars of unredeemable debt.

    Will the control freaks and sickos decide to drown the ship with all of humanity on board rather than relinquish power and accept defeat? They definitely are insane enough to go for the Samson option but they might also chicken out and decide to give it another go another day.

    One thing is for sure: before we stab those vampires with a wooden stick in their hearts, world peace will always be an illusion.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  159. @Curmudgeon

    My suspicion is that the fix is in. Despite the narrative to the contrary, Britain doesn’t need a deal just to leave the E.U. That suggests that Britain needs the permission of the E.U. to leave. It would be sensible to discuss any future relationship, but the E.U. has refused to do that. The E.U.’s concern of course, is that unless leaving the E.U. is seen to be exceedingly difficult, other provinces will bail out with the British. All Johnson (stage name ‘Boris’) is trying to do is to foist an adjusted surrender document on a House of Commons which is exhausted and largely ‘Remain’ anyway. The people are just going to have to learn to love their serfdom.

  160. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @TTSSYF

    > It’s overpopulation, especially in Africa…Why don’t you head over to

    No doubt, but Pat Buchanan wrote about global warming, not those pestilent swarms of niglets. Myself, I’m just trying to stay on topic with the narrow confines of the subject material of the original article. Perhaps you should take your own advice and find a place to comment where the topic you wish were being discussed are actually being discussed, OK? Run along now; The Guardian will fit your ideals better. Take Rurik along as your date; you two will have 99% agreement, like two peas in a pod…

    “There are no simple solutions: but leaders at the Paris summit cannot even begin to tackle climate change unless they recognise that its parent – our increasing population – is creating a greater looming crisis.”

    Though climate change is a crisis, the population threat is even worse
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/04/climate-change-population-crisis-paris-summit

    But before you go to greener pastures, I do want to inform you that you should be eager to accept the scientific evidence of global warming, because…get this…

    Global demographic catastrophes and most population collapse incidents occurred in periods with great climate change, owing to overpopulation caused by diminished carrying capacity of the land and the resultant outbreak of Malthusian checks.

    Zhang, David & Lee, Harry & Wang, Cong & Li, Baosheng & Zhang, Jane & Pei, Qing & Chen, Jingan. (2011). Climate change and large‐scale human population collapses in the pre‐industrial era. Global Ecology and Biogeography. 20. 520-531.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227724325_Climate_change_and_large-scale_human_population_collapses_in_the_pre-industrial_era

    I really think you and Rurik should dress up in cheerleader outfits, start waving your pom-poms, and shout the glories of the Malthusian checks only Climate Change can write.

    • LOL: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Rurik
  161. @anon

    Now do show us where Hansen’s model “failed” to predict global warming, dumbass.

    According to your (poorly labeled) graph, it seems Hansen’s model almost consistently runs too cool by 0.2 K. Pretty impressive, considering how much margin of error is inbuilt in it.

    • Replies: @anon
  162. @anon

    So, as of 2018, it was scientifically proved that the IPPC estimates were all wrong?

    I wonder why people are so sceptical of climate models.

    • Replies: @anon
  163. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Krull

    Scientific models are often conservative in their estimates. Again, a model is never exact in what it predicts, they are only approximations.

    All models are in simulacra, that is, simplified reflections of reality that, despite being approximations, can be extremely useful. Building and disputing models is fundamental to the scientific enterprise. Complete and true representation may be impossible, but scientific debate often concerns which is the better model for a given task, e.g., which is the more accurate climate model for seasonal forecasting.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_modelling

    You have zero understanding of scientific modeling, and instead of learning about it, you continue to spout your retarded opinions about it, trying to discredit what you don’t understand. Like I said, you climate deniers are as disruptive in a science setting as low-IQ Negroes are in English class. You can’t grasp the material, and you think it’s stupid because, in actuality, you’re stupid.

    • Replies: @Felix Krull
  164. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Krull

    LOL Wrong. Can you even read? Evidently not, but this is what the report said. I’ll spoon feed it to you, hoping your slightly smarter than a disruptive low-IQ Negro in a NYC classroom, and might actually want to learn something…

    Second, governments are cleaning up air pollution faster than the IPCC and most climate modellers have assumed…This shield of aerosols has kept the planet cooler, possibly by as much as 0.7 °C globally.

    When facts change, models have to change with the facts. Several trends have changed since the last IPCC report, one being global dimming, aka aerosol masking effect from pollution is decreasing more than assumed, thus making temperatures warmer more than previously assumed. Is that so hard to grasp? Or are you going to keep up the dumb-as-a-Negro act? Or are you just not acting at all?

  165. @anon

    All models are in simulacra, that is, simplified reflections of reality

    But that’s not what a climate model is. A climate model is a simplified reflection of a postulated future. Pretty important difference, because then it can’t be tested.

    And when the future comes around and it turned out the model was wrong, well then, to use your own words, when facts change, models have to change with the facts.

    The reason we were wrong is because this or that, so we were really right all along.

    You have zero understanding of scientific modeling

    You keep saying that, as if it’s an argument.

    …low-IQ Negroes…stupid…dumb-as-a-Negro… retarded …Can you even read?

    Sigh…

    • Replies: @anon
  166. Rurik says:
    @anon

    aren’t you the shithead who tells us the Syrian conflict was caused by Climate Change?

    • Replies: @anon
  167. Rurik says:
    @Joe Levantine

    Will the control freaks and sickos decide to drown the ship with all of humanity on board rather than relinquish power and accept defeat?

    I suspect that’s a rhetorical question Joe.

    they might also chicken out

    Not if it means relinquishing power.

    I have zero doubt that even if they didn’t have their massive nuclear bunkers all stocked and waiting, that they’d still prefer to wipe out all life on the planet, (including themselves) if the alternative was to live like the rest of us, and be subject to the laws and moral codes the rest of us take for granted.

    Imagine a Jewish supremacist being told he must treat the Palestinians with fairness and equal justice?

    They’d rather unleash the Samson Option, rather than suffer such horrors.

    Imagine the uber-swindlers at Goldman Sachs being told they’d have to be personally accountable for all their frauds going forward. They’d rather burn the world to the gr0und, than relinquish the keys to the US Treasury.

    What would Harvey Weinstein or Larry Silverstein do in a world where the rule of law is justly and equally applied? Lucky Larry was perfectly willing to slaughter thousands, in a single act of Jewish lightning. Would he balk at nuking the planet, if the alternative was an honest investigation of that day?

    ‘maybe the smartest thing to do, is just ‘pull it’

    • Replies: @anon
  168. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Krull

    > turned out the model was wrong

    The model was always an approximation based on the assumption of input factors, and quite correct, until the input factor (this time, soot that creates global dimming) changes. You really are dumb as a sub-Saharan Negro.

  169. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Yet another 100% science-free rant by a dumb-as-a-Negro moron who thinks water shortages could never be a factor in the cause of a war.

    • Troll: TTSSYF, Rurik
  170. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    The science-deniers would have us believe the whole of atomic physics has been overturned because the models of how atoms work are only approximations of reality.

    And these buffoons who can’t understand the concept of scientific models get just as emotional and outraged and disruptive to society in their low-IQ state of mind as a black trying to to grasp algebra. It’s just arrogant whitey’s incomprehensible magic to them, and surely must be a conspiracy to oppress them.

    • Replies: @Felix Krull
    , @TTSSYF
  171. @anon

    And these buffoons who can’t understand the concept of scientific models get just as emotional…

    Yes, because it’s not like you’re frothing at the potty-mouth like an irate child.

    • Replies: @anon
  172. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Krull

    Oh great, now we have Church Lady on naughty words patrol at Unz–although enforcement is as selective as Obama’s FBI. But you forgot to mention anything about scientific models! Is this your first encounter with atomic models? I’m glad I showed that atomic model chart to you, always something to learn. 🙂

    Meanwhile, the buffoonery of climate model denial has taken a funny turn this year. CATO, in their efforts to discredit climate models, picked a model that they thought discredited climate models without upsetting their denialist apple cart.

    “…only the Russian model, designated INM-CM4, gets things right…”

    Are Climate Models Overpredicting Global Warming?
    By Patrick J. Michaels, director of the Center for the Study of Science at the Cato Institute
    This article appeared in the The Hill (Online) on January 31, 2019
    https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/are-climate-models-overpredicting-global-warming

    Problem is, it still shows global warming! LOL! Talk about stepping on your own dick!!! So guess what happened…

    “They informed me that they didn’t think their vision of a think tank was in the science business, and so I said, ‘OK, bye,’” Michaels said in an interview yesterday.

    U.S. think tank shuts down prominent center that challenged climate science
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/05/us-think-tank-shuts-down-prominent-center-challenged-climate-science

    “Think Tank.” BWHAHAHAHA!!!

    There isn’t a single shred of honesty, decency, or of scientific literacy in any of the deniers. They just go around acting like Big Tobacco, trying to pull the wool over any fool’s eyes who wants to keep excusing his addiction.

    Oh, and for you Teh Joos conspiracists, “The Cato Institute has received millions of dollars from the Koch network, the (((Mercer)))) Family Foundation, Exxon Mobil Corp. and other foundations that oppose regulations.” Don’t you realize that climate denial is a Jewish Conspiracy??? LOL!

    [insert laughing jew graphic here]

    Anyway, dumbass, your model denial is as hare-brained as a flat-earther denying the earth is a sphere. Yeah, we all realize it isn’t a perfect sphere and sphere is only an approximation, dumbass.

  173. TTSSYF says:
    @anon

    Can you really blame us “science deniers’ for being skeptical about anthropogenic global warming? I mean, after all — Obama assured us that, upon His mere nomination, that “history would record that this was the date that the air began to cool and the oceans began to recede.” He and his wife just bought a $15 million mansion on the water. So apparently, he believed his own rhetoric from 2007.

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  174. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @TTSSYF

    Again, the stupid is so strong with you science deniers, it burns, for two reasons: (1) The anecdotal actions and words of a Negro do not negate the White man’s natural sciences, and (2) Sea level rise—while it is happening and accelerating because of global warming—won’t be on the steps of Obama’s mansion for many years. I’m pretty sure you scientifically-illiterate retards can’t do The Math, so I’ll do it for you, story problem style. Remember how difficult those story problems were for the likes of you?

    ******
    STORY PROBLEM FOR CLIMATE SCIENCE DENIER RETARDS

    Q: If Obama’s mansion is elevated 3meters/10feet above sea level [see graph] and if sea level rise is 65centimeters/26inches by 2100 [see NASA reference], in what year will Obama’s mansion finally be inundated with water?

    A: _______

    ******

    Furrow your brow, lick your lips, sharpen your pencil, and DO THE MATH, retard. You are allowed to use a calculator. You may begin.

    If the rate of ocean rise continues to change at this pace, sea level will rise 26 inches (65 centimeters) by 2100 — enough to cause significant problems for coastal cities, according to the new assessment by Nerem and colleagues from NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland; CU Boulder; the University of South Florida in Tampa; and Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia.

    New study finds sea level rise accelerating
    NASA | February 13, 2018
    https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2680/new-study-finds-sea-level-rise-accelerating/

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  175. @anon

    If there’s a torrent – it’s climate change.
    If there’s a drought – it’s climate change.

    If there’s a blizzard – it’s climate change.
    If there’s a heatwave – it’s climate change.

    If there’s a hurricane – it’s climate change.
    If there’s silence at sea – it’s … guessed it.

    Grow up.

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  176. @Brabantian

    No, I don’t think Sisi is a Jew.

    Don’t trust Veterans Today.

  177. TTSSYF says:
    @anon

    Obama is half white and was elected POTUS twice with the help of white people. One would think He would want to lead by example. Besides…didn’t that other renowned climatologist, AOC, recently inform us that we’ve got only ten years before we all burn up? What on earth is Obama doing, throwing such caution to the (rapidly heating) wind? What it means is that he didn’t believe it then, and he doesn’t believe it now.

    The various battering rams used by the Left to topple Trump (25th Amendment, Russian collusion, obstruction of justice, his income taxes, impeachment, attempts to smear and take out Kavanaugh, back to 25th Amendment again…) have not worked. In their latest attempt to win the Presidency next year, the political Left and their dupes are now turning to ramping up the global warming hysteria — witness CNN’s recent 7-hour marathon of pure bunk.

    People have always succumbed to end-of-world fantasies, whether the Rapture, in the case of evangelical Christians, or a meteor taking out all humans in the case of extreme Lefties. Your global warming hysteria and insistence that we all must believe or be condemned as bad people (i.e., sinners) is no different.

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  178. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mister Bob

    Facts can be paradoxical, and can be haw-hawed by the scientifically illiterate. For instance:

    • Ice expands when it gets colder – ice contracts when it gets colder! (Really, look it up if you’re confused.)
    • Water extinguishes fires – water makes fire burn better! (Ask a DC-3 pilot about water injection into the cylinders of those lovely sounding radial engines.)

    Understand why haw-hawing about paradoxes isn’t necessarily the mature, adult response? Now, I’ll briefly address what you consider paradoxes:

    > If there’s a torrent – it’s climate change. If there’s a drought – it’s climate change.

    That’s true, expect more extremes on both ends of the spectrum, droughts and downpours. Not hard to understand for those who can actually read.

    They found that a data “fingerprint” – a drying and wetting pattern predicted to occur in response to greenhouse gas emissions – was visible as far back as the early 1900s.

    Earth’s Freshwater Future: Extremes of Flood and Drought
    https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2881/earths-freshwater-future-extremes-of-flood-and-drought/

    > If there’s a blizzard – it’s climate change. If there’s a heatwave – it’s climate change.

    Even though winter average temperatures are warming in North America, global warming is making the jet-stream/polar-vortex behave wildly, allowing cold air in the arctic to dump further south, while north pole sets record high temperatures.

    Scientists call it a “warm arctic/cold continents” weather pattern. It’s caused by the polar vortex weakening and gets “wavier,” a result of global warming. (You can google the terms in quotes and find science articles using those terms.)

    As far as growing up, a part of it is developing critical thinking skills that can see the whole of paradoxes, such as ice both expanding and contracting as it cools. It’s really not much higher of a skill than 5th grade science. Perhaps taking your own advice is à propos.

  179. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @TTSSYF

    Zero science there. I really don’t think you’re up to discussing either math or science.

    > the Rapture…. is no different

    It is different, the Rapture isn’t based on scientific evidence, but global warming is based on scientific evidence.

    I understand that I may as well be talking algebra to a sub-Saharan Negro as to be talking science to you. You don’t get science any more than your low-IQ brethren in Africa get algebra, and you react to it with more emotionally-based chimp-out rhetoric, no different than a monkey throwing shit because he’s pissed.

    And you’re pissed because I humiliated you with a bit of elementary arithmetic, math you probably don’t even have the mental capacity to understand. If you ever want to address a scientific subject, or even the elementary math you don’t seem to grasp, I’d be more than happy to oblige.

    As far as your rhetoric about Leftists, I’ve already addressed that. The Right abdicated the Cathedral and its realm of science to the Left at the Scope Monkey Trial, and still has to recover from that grievous error, so it’s no surprise that the Left gets to wield hard science more effectively than the Right in policy decisions.

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  180. TTSSYF says:
    @anon

    I could not care less about what venom you spew. So you can take your childish taunts and put them where I’m sure you believe the sun will soon be shining.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
  181. anon[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @TTSSYF

    Another certified 100% science free reply from you, but I’ll address it anyway. You didn’t learn something a long time ago from your parents: Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it. Better get some remedial training on that. Meanwhile, your denial become more and more irrelevant every year. Climate Changed.

    Surprisingly, despite all the empirical evidence, a contingent of people continue to believe that observed temperature increases are the result not of anthropogenic industrialization but of naturally occurring cycles. However, whether you believe the causes of climate change are anthropogenic or natural matters less each year. For Californians, the effects of increasingly destructive wildfires and the inconvenient strategies for preventing them are the same irrespective of belief. Over time, the relevance of climate change denial will diminish while the need for mitigation and adaptation intensifies.

    The Increasing Irrelevance of Climate Change Denial
    Even if you don’t accept the science, you’ll need to deal with the consequences
    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/the-increasing-irrelevance-of-climate-change-denial/

  182. anon[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @TTSSYF

    p.s. It’s kind of ironic that a “white nationalist” would find more in common with dumb-ass, camel-humping Muslims than his own kin. What’s up with that, race traitor?

  183. anon[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    A question for you: Given that the Jews own the media and climate deniers get way more media attention than scientists, Whooz-Jewin’-Who here?

    From 2000 through 2016, hundreds of academics, business people and politicians who doubted global warming or attributed rising temperatures to “natural” causes got 50 percent more ink than an equal number of top scientists, according to a study in Nature Communications, a peer-reviewed journal.

    Climate deniers get more media play than scientists: study
    August 14, 2019 | AFP
    https://www.france24.com/en/20190813-climate-deniers-get-more-media-play-than-scientists-study

  184. anon[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Climate Science Denial as another Holocaust Shtick….

    “Carbon dioxide is actually a benefit to the world, and so were the Jews.”

    Trump Adviser Once Compared Carbon Dioxide to Jewish Victims of the Nazis
    National Security Council member who is leading a climate review panel said in 2014 that demonization of the gas ‘is just like demonization of poor Jews under Hitler’
    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-trump-adviser-compares-carbon-dioxide-to-jewish-victims-of-the-nazis-1.7298998

    Rurik is a Crypto-Jew, telling us CO2 is as demonized as the poor Jews. I bet you even spin the dreidel while you type your Holohoax nonsense from your Hasbara desk in Tel-Aviv that CO2 is as beneficial as the Jews.

  185. anon[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @TTSSYF

    > not one peep from your side about overpopulation

    It’s pretty obvious now that you and Rurik work for the jewish Bernie Sanders campaign Population Control Task Force.

    “The population control issue was raised during a CNN climate town hall event in New York City on Wednesday night during a question from an audience member…”

    Bernie Sanders in climate change ‘population control’ uproar
    Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has been criticised after arguing population control should be part of tackling climate change.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49601678

  186. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    > They’d rather burn the world to the gr0und

    You don’t say!

    The cumulative forest area burned by wildfires has greatly increased between 1984 and 2015, with analyses estimating that the area burned by wildfire across the western United States over that period was twice what would have burned had climate change not occurred. Source: adapted from Abatzoglou and Williams 2016.7

    FOURTH NATIONAL CLIMATE ASSESSMENT
    https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/chapter/25/

  187. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    Hey there, “Realist” buddy, did you ever discover what the term “exothermic reaction” meant in your long quest to determine what physical quantity melts ice?

    I probably better not even ask you about the significance of something being way lower than two standard deviations, until you get past your first grade science lesson on what melts ice.

  188. anon[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Krull

    > that the world is getting warmer – something not a single climate “denier” contests.

    Wrong. There are many climate deniers who say the warming trend is a hoax of manipulated data, and Drudge Report often links to such reality-denying websites. A variation of the denial is the “hiatus” or “pause” claim that it hasn’t warmed since [whatever year.] That had lots of play on Fox News. So getting somebody from the Right to admit that thermometer readings are getting warmer is a major accomplishment, and now deniers like you are back-pedaling and trying to claim you never thought any different. Anyway, at least you admit it is getting warmer. Baby steps, baby steps.

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