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“I worry greatly that the rhetoric coming from the Republicans, particularly Donald Trump, is sending a message to Muslims here … and … around the world, that there is a ‘clash of civilizations.'”

So said Hillary Clinton in Saturday night’s New Hampshire debate.

Yet, that phrase was not popularized by Donald Trump, but by Harvard’s famed Samuel Huntington. His “The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order” has been described by Zbigniew Brzezinski as providing “quintessential insights necessary for a broad understanding of world affairs in our time.”

That Clinton is unaware of the thesis, or dismisses it, does not speak well of the depth of her understanding of our world.

Another attack on Trump, more veiled, came Monday in an “open letter” in The Washington Post where four dozen religious leaders, led by Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, charge “some politicians, candidates and commentators” with failing to follow Thomas Jefferson’s dictum:

“I never will, by any word or act … admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others.”

Intending no disrespect to Jefferson, if you do not inquire “into the religious opinions of others” in this world, it can get you killed.

“We love our Muslim siblings in humanity,” said the signers of Cardinal McCarrick’s letter, “they serve our communities as doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers, journalists, first responders, and as members of the U.S. Armed forces and Congress.”

Undeniably true. But, unfortunately, that is not the end of the matter.

Did the worst attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor, 9/11, have nothing to do with the Islamic faith?

Did Fort Hood and the San Bernardino massacres, the London subway bombings and the killings at Charlie Hebdo, as well as the slaughter at the Bataclan in Paris, have nothing to do with Islam?

Does the lengthening list of atrocities by terrorist cells of ISIS, Boko Haram, al-Qaida, al-Shabaab and the Nusra Front have nothing to do with Islam? Is it really illiberal to inquire “into the religious opinions” of those who perpetrate these atrocities? Or is it suicidal not to?

There has arisen a legitimate question as to whether Islamism can coexist peacefully with, or within, a post-Christian secular West.

For, as the Poet of the Empire, Rudyard Kipling, wrote: “Oh, East is East and West is West, and never the twain shall meet, Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God’s great Judgment Seat.”

As of 1960, the Great Wave of immigration into the United States from Southern and Eastern Europe had been halted for 35 years. And the children of these millions had been largely assimilated and Americanized.

Yet, 50 years after the Turkish gastarbeiters were brought in the millions into Germany, and Algerians and other North Africans were brought into France, no such wholesale assimilation had taken place.

Why not? Why are there still large, indigestible communities in France where French citizens do not venture and French police are ever on alert?

What inhibits the assimilation that swiftly followed the entry of millions of Catholics, Orthodox Christians and Jews into the United States from 1890 to 1920? Might it have something to do with Islam and its inherent resistance to a diversity of faiths?

Set aside faith-based terrorism and Islamist terrorism, and consider the nations and regimes of the Middle and Near East.

Iran holds presidential elections every four years, but is a Shiite theocracy where the Ayatollah is a virtual dictator. Saudi Arabia is a Sunni kingdom and home to Wahhabism, a Sunni form of puritanism.

Those ruling regimes are rooted in Islam.

And while secular America embraces expressions of religious pluralism and sexual freedom, homosexuality and apostasy are often viewed as capital crimes in Afghanistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Where Islam is the ruling faith, the Quran is secular law.

Catholic historian Hilaire Belloc saw our future on its way, even before World War II: “[I]n the contrast between our religious chaos and the religious certitude still strong throughout the Mohammedan world … lies our peril.”

Historically, Christianity came to dominate the Roman Empire through preaching, teaching, example and martyrdom. Islam used the sword to conquer the Middle and Near East, North Africa and Spain in a single century, until stopped at Poitiers by Charles Martel.

And this is today’s crucial distinction: Islam is not simply a religion of 1.6 billion people, it is also a political ideology for ruling nations and, one day, the world.

To the True Believer, Islam is ultimately to be imposed on all of mankind, which is to be ruled by the prescriptions of the Quran. And where Muslims achieve a majority, Christianity is, at best, tolerated.

Nor is this position illogical. For, if there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet, all other religions are false and none can lead to salvation. Why should false, heretical and ruinous faiths (SET ITAL) not (END ITAL) be suppressed?

Behind the reluctance of Trump and other Americans to send another U.S. army into a region that has seen wars in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan leave us with ashes in our mouths, lies a wisdom born of painful experience.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of the new book “The Greatest Comeback: How Richard Nixon Rose From Defeat to Create the New Majority.”

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  1. The conflict here is actually rather easy to reconcile–different countries for Muslims and others. We exchange diplomats and try to resolve differences peaceably. Muslims cross the line–they get thrown back; we stay the hell out of Muslim nations’ business. We trade peacefully, with a minimum number of short-term visits to facilitate it. The number of immigrants into either Muslim or non-Muslim areas is kept to an absolute minimum (thousands) and they live in supervised enclaves.

    There, fixed it!

    • Replies: @Max Payne
  2. I called ISLAM in a letter to a newspaper more than 10 years ago POLIGEON ie politics and religeon as ONE ,described exactly in this by Patrick.As yet I have never heard anyone but me say this word that I invented BUT i wish it would become as toxic to this so called faith as the word DENIER is to climate idiots or other words that have PHOBIA attatched to denigrate and intimidate into silence,the Phobia being supposedly irrational when in fact it is perfectly rational
    and to be expected. Please Pat publicise my invention

  3. Muslims – 9/11? Please! Yes it is likely there were Muslim patsies on the planes but who organised the drills with NORAD? Vigilant Warrior etc? Who planted the thermite in 3 WTC buildings and wired it up so expertly? Who were the “art students” squatting in those towers? Who had the evidence hauled away like so much refuse? Was it those pesky Muslims that rigged the “investigation”? Who is it that repeats the meme (apart from yourself) in the media ad infinitum?

    If you claim to be an American conservative please explain what exactly is it you are conserving and how does it help America by being an echo for this deceptive drivel?

  4. JEC says:

    The conflict between Islam and the West is irreconcilable; that’s obvious and understood. What remains an open question is who will emerge in the ascendancy.

    • Replies: @Jim
  5. Kamran says:

    “Did the worst attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor, 9/11, have nothing to do with the Islamic faith?”

    This question, and many others like it, are kind of stupid to be honest here.

    ” until stopped at Poitiers by Charles Martel.”

    To be honest, again. Nobody in the Muslim world ever heard of, or gives a fuck about Charlie Martel. I discovered him from Internet comments.

  6. Renoman says:

    Sadly the World is ruled by violence, the Muslims realize this and are going forward with it. Allowing them into our society is the biggest error of the last 100 years, they don’t mix, they cause tons of Bullshit, they don’t contribute much, most of them are just a burden on society. They are rapists, check the crime rates in Scandinavia. What is the point of letting them in, can anyone give me a good reason to support their import?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Talha
  7. Although I am not in the league of those whose words you cite in your article, nevertheless even I came to an understanding that religion trumps almost everything else in a person’s life. I went off to college the dutiful son of a research scientist after having studied the sciences and math in high school and just assumed that reason ruled the World. After listening to the spirited debates concerning the great social issues of the time, Vietnam War, feminism and racism, it dawned on me that people’s stance was fundamentally religious and that they could not be persuaded by logic or statistics. This is as true of liberals as it is of conservatives. I have been gratified to note that recent brain research has borne my intuitions out.

    Where western liberals fail, as you have pointed out, is in not seeing their own views as fundamentally religious and in not giving sufficient weight to the extent the Islamic religion dictates the entire social life of practicing Muslims. In that they cannot get out of their own heads and see the world from the eyes of a Muslim, liberals demonstrate a lack of imagination and empathy. Religion is looked at askance by liberal intellectuals but this is a mistake. It is so fundamental that everyone with an interest in human affairs needs to study it if for no other reason than to understand the motives of those around him.

    • Replies: @JEC
    , @nickels
  8. JEC says:
    @Threecranes

    It’s probably more accurate to blame the passions rather than religion for the imperviousness to reason and logic which is ubiquitous.

    “Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office than to serve and obey them.” ~ David Hume

  9. Talha says:

    I like Mr. Buchanan a lot, but please do not under-quote Kipling to make a point. The full quote actually underscores the fact that differences are reconcilable if the people have the moral courage to do so…
    “OH, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,
    Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God’s great Judgment Seat;
    But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
    When two strong men stand face to face, tho’ they come from the ends of the earth! ”

    That is the full quote and if one reads the entire poem it is about an Afghan warrior and a British Colonel’s son who start out as foes and eventually end up gaining a respect and fondness for each other.

    And let’s can the whole Christianity being this oh-so-innocent faith:
    “Historically, Christianity came to dominate the Roman Empire through preaching, teaching, example and martyrdom. Islam used the sword to conquer the Middle and Near East, North Africa and Spain in a single century, until stopped at Poitiers by Charles Martel.”

    Really, and once the Romans became Christian and it became the Holy Roman Empire, what exactly did it do? I guarantee neither it nor Byzantium were handing out flowers. They walloped the Muslims empires and the Muslim empires walloped them – no apologies – that was how it worked back then. Ask Charles Martel – after he crushed the Muslim armies, he didn’t set out to invade North Africa, he spent the rest of his time carving out a bigger empire for himself out of other Christian nations – that’s just how it worked – in the Christian world and Muslim world.

    If “Islam used the sword to conquer the Middle and Near East, North Africa and Spain” then let’s be honest in that “Christianity used the musket to conquer South America, North America, Australia, Most of Africa, Much of Asia”. If any of those people landed on those shores with just the Bible and no gun powder, please tell me where this happened.

    Yes there are differences, but both sides have come to terms when it was mutually beneficial. Historical examples: British and French alliance with the Ottomans against the Russians in the Crimean war, Crusader compliance with the Mameluke army that crushed the Mongol horde at Ayn Jalut, recently the multinational support for the Afghan war against the Soviets. These are just some instances and historically there have been more.

    I think if we just leave the Muslims to their own affairs, right now they are in the middle of a civil war (which we precipitated – please don’t tell me Iraq had anything to do with 9/11) and just guard our borders, things will be OK and we can get back to mutually beneficial interaction once all this sanguinary business is behind us.

    • Replies: @OutWest
    , @Anon
  10. Art says:

    Islam and the West – an Irreconcilable Conflict?

    Of course they are irreconcilable, because the West is controlled by Zionist neocon Jews. It is plain as day. The Jew want ever more Arab land – period. The foreign policy of the US, UK, Canada, Germany, France, Australia all are controlled by Zionist neocons. The media of all those countries is 95% pro-Israel.

    It is amazing that people will find every explanation but the obvious truth. They will twist everything to avoid using the word “Jew.” Why? Are they cowards? Or are most Stockholm syndrome victims? Clearly the Jew have terrorized them by curtailing their free speech. Is that why they identify with Jew victimhood and refuse to face the facts of immoral Jew domination?

  11. Drakejax says:
    @Kamran

    I don’t know about the Muslim world’s education program, but Charles Martel was once among the pantheon of men studied in western civilization. He not only stopped the Muslim invasion, but he was the grandfather of Charlemagne. I can remember my grandfather telling some poem about Martel stopping “the Moors at Tours.”

    Given French military units that use Martel as an honorific, I suspect he remains better remembered in Europe.

    • Replies: @Jim
  12. @Kamran

    Muslims probably aren’t particularly interested in who stopped them. I doubt they know much about Leo the Isaurian, who defended Constantinople against the Arabs in 718 , or Don Juan of Austria who commanded the Holy League’s fleet in the victory against the Ottoman Turks in 1571, or the intervention of Polish King Jan Sobieski, whose winged hussars helped raise the Turkish siege of Vienna in 1683.

    They do know all about Mehmed II the Conqueror, who captured Constantinople and ended the the Byzantine Empire in 1453. The Turks celebrate that conquest year after year, as they have a perfect right to do. There are probably other Arab and Turkish conquerors that Muslims proudly celebrate, but I don’t know them, because I’m not a Middle East/North African historian and they aren’t my ancestors that I wish to honor.

    It’s not important that they know them (e.g., Charles Martel. It’s important tha we know them.

    • Replies: @Kamran
  13. nickels says:
    @Threecranes

    The big problem is that reason and, by extension, science can not possibly give an entire picture of the world. Science answers why the droplet forms, why current flows and other useful minutiae. But it fails to answer the most fundamental questions, or, really, any question that is not a little tidbit of some physical process.

    It cannot possibly answer questions about politics or human nature (despite the attempts by psychologists and psych babble).

    Thus the science religions always contain a massive void that is filled in with some other ‘science’ish’ ideology, usually something impromptu and most usually something derived from the cult of some charismatic personality. Hence the Nazi’s, the Marxists, the Marxists-Leninists, the Mao crowd, etc etc…. A further characteristic of this ideology is the lack of anchoring in tradition and history. This is probably the most insidious factor. Those ideologies not vetted by history are bound to come up short, and so we see generally totalitarian and murderousness as the rule.

    The myth of the scientific ideology is a massively destructive one. There is no such thing. The choice is between religion and the cult of personality.

    $0.02

    • Replies: @Rurik
  14. OutWest says:
    @Talha

    How do we leave them alone with all the history? Truman needed someplace to dump the displaced people marauding (with cause) across Europe. So he –and the United Nations- established the last European colony in Palestine. Do we walk away? I haven’t noted this being proposed by any of the political aspirants to power.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Rurik
  15. Talha says:
    @OutWest

    Very good point – I should clarify – by leave them alone, I don’t mean stopping diplomacy or trade or cultural exchange. I mean stop bombing places and stop meddling around with their political affairs just like we wouldn’t want them messing around with ours.

    The current International norm, that even Muslim countries have signed up to are the norms declared in the aftermath of the most devastating war ever fought on our planet. Everyone learned from that madness that the days when normative relations were defined by Charles Martel, Genghis Khan, Ottoman Sultans, and on and on are gone – the stakes are too high – we can’t play that game any more.

    Just think about this…some far off civil war in Syria has precipitated both the US and Russia (armed nuclear rivals) to be flying in the same area and bombing parties on the ground that are at odds. We have calls by presidential hopefuls for establishing no-fly zones and shooting down Russian planes – this is utter madness and has to stop. Disengagement has to be taken seriously.

    I say we have a fairly good framework for international relations, everyone (including us) needs to abide by the rules and not bash the heads of states of countries we don’t like.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @random observer
  16. KenH says:

    The conflict between the white, nominally Christian West and Islam is only irreconcilable if Europe continues accepting hundred of thousands (potentially) millions of Muslims and America refuses to enact a permanent moratorium on all Muslim immigration and visas. And if the West continues to meddle in the Middle East rather than leaving the people in that region to determine how and by whom they wish to be governed.

    The fable of the scorpion and the frog applies not only to Jews in the diaspora, but also Muslims living in white Western nations. Assimilation is neither possible nor desirable in the case of Arab or Persian Muslims or any Muslims, but the majority don’t wish to assimilate anyway. Muslims continue to practice cultural imperialism wherever they settle. Muslims have conquered and forcibly converted many formerly Christian or non-Islamic nations (Syria, Egypt,Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan). The Bosnian conflict is the most recent example of large scale Muslim aggression against Christians. Even if they eschew violence the differential birthrates between Muslim and European will eventually deliver much of Western Europe to Islam.

    Only Christian Spain successfully drove the Muslim Moors out of Europe but it took 700 years and the epic battle at Vienna finally checked Muslim aggression against Europe. Until now.

    But this time Christian & Western leaders, rather than wielding weapons and leading European men against the Muslim onslaught, have turned against their own nations and people and are facilitating the Muslim invasion both in Europe and America. It appears their new faith is cultural Marxism and they foolishly believe that Muslims are equal and interchangeable with white Europeans and possibly better. Only when the jihadists come to remove their pointy heads and desecrate their churches will they realize how badly they miscalculated.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  17. KenH says:

    Buchanan said years ago that to defeat a faith you must have a faith. Contemporary Christianity has grown so weak and its leadership so feckless and politically correct that does anyone honestly believe it is a countervailing faith to Islam or that it will embolden its adherents to fight and oppose Islam?

    Jewish imposed cultural Marxism is currently the dominant secular faith in the West at least among most of the elites and around 30-40% of the people even though some are too dimwitted to realize it. Regardless, its animus towards white people and Western civilization assures that it will gladly collaborate with any third world people, religion or political movement which seeks to marginalize, displace or destroy the West.

    We have many enemies inside our gates.

  18. Did the worst attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor, 9/11, have nothing to do with the Islamic faith?

    9/11 had nothing to do with the Islamic faith. The Muslims they claim did it were just patsies. It was a false flag operation.

    Did Fort Hood and the San Bernardino massacres, the London subway bombings and the killings at Charlie Hebdo, as well as the slaughter at the Bataclan in Paris, have nothing to do with Islam?

    I don’t know for sure what the full story is with what happened at Fort Hood, but all the other events mentioned are clearly false flags.

    Did the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki have nothing to do with Christianity?

    Or… did the bombardment of Fallujah, Iraq with depleted uranium have nothing to do with Christianity?

    https://www.google.es/search?q=fallujah+iraq+depleted+uranium+birth+defects&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiF-NXJqPDJAhXDVRoKHQkrAa8Q_AUIBygB&biw=1366&bih=646

  19. To the True Believer, Islam is ultimately to be imposed on all of mankind,

    What is so puzzling about this kind of rhetoric is how at odds it is with casual observation. I am currently living in Spain. There are hundreds of thousands of Muslims living in this country. I do not recall any time that I have been approached by a Muslim missionary. Not once.

    Not once has a Muslim missionary knocked at my door and handed me a Koran and wanted to tell me about the life of Muhammad. Jehovah’s witnesses, yes. Mormons, yes. Hare Krishnas. The same goes for other countries I have lived in. The U.S., Canada.

    If all these Muslims really wanted us all to convert to Islam, wouldn’t we expect to see a stronger missionary effort than what we observe?

    But I know I should believe Pat Buchanan and not my lying eyes. They’re out there, they want to convert us all to Islam. I think there are a couple under my bed right now…

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
  20. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Kamran

    Why are they “stupid” questions? Because you don’t like them or because they are true?

    I’m sure the people of France gave a fuck about Martel since he saved them from Muslim conquest, al least until now. I’m sure the Muslims in question gave a fuck too since they tried to conquer him and France.

    • Replies: @Kamran
  21. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Islam attacked Christianity first. Ditto with Judaism and Hinduism too.

  22. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Renoman

    [Instead of cluttering up a discussion thread with numerous short comments, it’s much better to combine them together into one or two longer and more substantial ones.]

    The reason they are imported is because of cultural Marxism.

  23. Max Payne says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Israel won’t let you do that. Come on. Be practical. The US has to fight 4 more wars for Greater Israel to be born. You already knocked out Libya and Iraq, we’re working on Syria and Iran will get its turn. Iran might need some more bodies… thank goodness the US is letting in women into combat role, the occupation for Iran alone is going to be colossal. Remember! Israel first.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
  24. Thirdeye says:

    A certain Catholic pundit is suffering from historical myopia.

    What inhibits the assimilation that swiftly followed the entry of millions of Catholics, Orthodox Christians and Jews into the United States from 1890 to 1920?

    It wasn’t that swift. Those religious groups were regarded as foreign influences from their first wave of immigration in the mid Nineteenth Century until well into the Twentieth Century.

    Historically, Christianity came to dominate the Roman Empire through preaching, teaching, example and martyrdom.

    Christianity came to dominate the Roman Empire by converting those in power, the same way Islam attained power by converting tribal leaders. Roman Catholicism spread its influence by force. Targets of that force were Pagans, Orthodox Christians, Jews, and Mohammedans. Breaking the totalitarian grip of the Roman Catholic Church on Europe was a long and bloody process.

    • Replies: @random observer
  25. Rurik says:
    @nickels

    science…

    … cannot possibly answer questions about politics or human nature

    ever heard of anthropology?

    human nature, like everything else has a cause and effect that can be studied and understood

    behaviorism is repugnant to many because it reduces our antics (and the ethereal, ineffable whispers of our souls) to scientific principles, but it’s no less a valid form of understanding human nature

    >>><<<

    speaking of, I'd just like to point out that there's no way Buchanan could contradict the official narrative of 911. He's far too imbedded in the system. He may very well know the truth, and I suspect indeed he does, but at a certain level, speaking the truth about that event would marginalize him from much of his audience.

    There are issues which mainstream people can not touch. The Holocaust for instance being most obvious one.

    So when Pat uses the example of 911, he's just doing so to his best advantage. And why not?

    If the priests of our secular religion demand fealty to their narratives, then use those narratives to shove it back in their faces, is what I think Pat is trying to do.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
    , @nickels
  26. Rurik says:
    @OutWest

    Do we walk away?

    yes

    You can go there and join the IDF or send cash or whatever

    but the American (and German) people have paid any and all debts to those people in spades

    it’s well past time we’re allowed to just walk away

  27. Rurik says:
    @Talha

    Charles Martel, Genghis Khan, Ottoman Sultans,

    not fair to bundle Martel in with those others

    Martel was defending his people’s lands

    We have calls by presidential hopefuls for establishing no-fly zones and shooting down Russian planes – this is utter madness and has to stop

    so true!

    I just wrote that human nature is comprehensible, and one way to do that is by looking at their history, but also by understanding that they’re just uniquely gifted animals, suffering a delusion of divinity

    but there is no all knowing God out there making sure good prevails over evil

    it’s just us, and that is pretty damn scary when you consider what in stark reality that means

    our civilizing veneer is thin, and it usually doesn’t take much to get to what’s underneath

    if for no other reason than ‘national pride’, I suspect that Lindsey McCain would advocate an all out war with Russia, thinking that Putin is far too sane to let it go nuclear. Like an adolescent’s game of chicken, these men have tossed millions into the meat grinder without even a second thought. Their vanity and egos are far more important to them than the lives of millions of men, women and children. Would that there was a God to pass out judgment, but there’s no sign of Him anywhere to be found. Just bombs and people blown to bits and a planet on the brink.

    • Replies: @Talha
  28. Rurik says:
    @KenH

    But this time Christian & Western leaders, rather than wielding weapons and leading European men against the Muslim onslaught, have turned against their own nations and people and are facilitating the Muslim invasion both in Europe and America. It appears their new faith is cultural Marxism and they foolishly believe that Muslims are equal and interchangeable with white Europeans and possibly better.

    no they don’t believe that, they know that they are betraying their flocks to unending horrors

    but their new religion isn’t “cultural Marxism”, rather its Mammonism, or the worship of money.

    For money they will betray their flocks, their Gods, and their very souls

  29. Pat, If you continue to reinforce the telling of porkies (lies) you will lose a significant section of your audience. What is the going rate for one’s soul these days?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-world-trade-center-propaganda-cant-melt-steel-beams/5497083

    • Replies: @another fred
  30. Rehmat says:

    Samuel Huntington was a Zionist Christian and White Supremacist like Pat Buchanan. When it comes to Islam and Muslims, Pat Buchanan is as bigot as Donald Trump. For example:

    “Iran holds presidential elections every four years, but is a Shiite theocracy where the Ayatollah is a virtual dictator.”

    Shiite in Iran makes 80% of country’s population and thus have the right chose what kind of system they like to be ruled. At Least they don’t have Jewish Lobby which controls American president, Senators and congressmen and force them to make laws which look for the interests of a foreign state than America. Buchanan should learn from Philip Giraldi’s recent article that there is no democracy in United States – it’s just “Dollarocracy”.

    If Ayatullah Khamenei is “virtual dictator” – then Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin can certainly equated with Adolph Hitler. Khamenei is supreme commander of Iran’s armed forces, but has no power over Iran’s Executive branch and parliament. American writers like Steve Lendman and John Kaminiski have written that they wish America had a “theocracy” like Iran.

    “Did the worst attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor, 9/11, have nothing to do with the Islamic faith?”

    Could Buchanan naïve enough to believe that alleged murder of six million Jews during WWII had nothing to do with his Catholic faith?

    Does Buchanan has some proof to prove in an independent court of justice that 9/11 was committed by Muslims who apparently visited bars and had White Christian girlfriend?

    On July 24, 2015, the US National Archives released the final batch of nearly 350 classified photographs taken by former vice-president Dick Cheney’s staff photographer inside the White House Operations Center, on September 11, 2001. The photos show George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleeza Rice, Gen Colin Powell and national security advisers having discussions inside the deep underground bunker while the New York World Trade Center(WTC) and Pentagon were hit by mini nuclear missiles.

    Commenting on the photographs, Dr. James Henry Fetzer (University of Minnesota), told Iran’s Press TV that Dick Cheney was in charge of the 9/11 ‘False flag’ operation which was carried out with the help Zio-Conservatives in the White House and Israeli Mossad….

    http://rehmat1.com/2015/07/25/911-new-photos-prove-it-an-inside-job/

  31. @Rurik

    So when Pat uses the example of 911, he’s just doing so to his best advantage. And why not?

    WHY NOT? Well, because it’s a vicious slander, that’s why not! If somebody wants to badmouth Muslims, well, that’s their thing, but it should be based on something Muslims actually did, no? Something that’s true…

    The guy says he’s a Christian. Doesn’t he know he’s not supposed to bear false witness?

    Don’t you know it? Shit…

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Rehmat
  32. @NoseytheDuke

    1. The molten material has been identified as aluminum which is reasonable enough to me as I have seen same in abundance investigating house fires.

    2. When aluminum melts it attacks steel and “melts” it by a form of corrosion (like an acid). I have also seen steel that appeared to have been “melted” in house fires.

    Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts. ——- D. P. Moynihan

  33. There was no “melted steel” in the buildings struck by the 9-11 jihad attacks.

    In the fires the steel, subjected to intense heating, lost its strength and gave way.

    My Dad was a fireman who showed me and my brother how girders lost their strength in fires and gave way. At the sites of more than a dozen multi-story structure fires we saw plenty of bent and twisted girders that had lost their strength, gave way, and were bent and twisted by the weight and impact of the mass of structure falling from above and around them.

    Here’s more evidence of how steel loses its strength when heated and can be bent, twisted, deformed by the mere muscle power of men – 151 year-old unimpeachable evidence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman%27s_neckties

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  34. Aluminium? House fires? Are you for real? When did such a blatant display of rank stupidity become something to display to the world with pride? By your reasoning all of those multi-million dollar blast furnaces used to melt steel are unnecessary and all that is actually needed is some cheap jet fuel (refined kerosine) and old beer cans and office scrap. Iron micro-spheres are contained though out the WTC dust, google it and learn a bit about the temps required.

    I won’t waste time discussing things so obviously beyond your ken as clearly you prefer little stories to truthful information. 9/11 and it’s aftermath will end the US as we know it, it already has. Imbecilic statements such as yours can only serve to convince some that won’t be such a bad thing.

    I think it’s sad that “thinkers” like yourself and Buchanan actually serve the interests of the true enemies of America. I no longer live there and am far removed from any soap and bubble related to the madness you and your ilk foment. The party is over in America all that’s left is the fighting and vomit to clean up. I for one once believed in America and am saddened by its rapid decline.

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
  35. iSteveFan says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I am currently living in Spain. There are hundreds of thousands of Muslims living in this country.

    That sounds terrible. After all the effort that was involved in expelling moslems over 500 years ago, it’s hard to believe they’ve let in that many.

  36. When we stop killing them. When we withdraw from their lands. When Imperial aggression stops. When we get a divorce from Israel. There will be peace for us if not for them. America First!

  37. MEexpert says:

    Pat:

    If you want the Muslims to stay out of your business, then stay out of theirs. Why does US have its forces in over 60 countries, mostly Muslims. Since when it is other peoples’ business to intervene other countries’ civil wars. Obama boasts a coalition of 65 countries fighting in a tiny country of Syria. Why? What did Syria do to the US. We are itching to get the war going against Iran. Again, why? Can you imagine 65 uninvited countries pounding a small nation of Syria killing innocent civilians, all because of Israel.

    When are we going to stop taking care of business for Israel?

    9/11 was a false flag from the beginning. Israel wanted US to attack Iran. The plan was to surround Iran from four sides. Afghanistan, Iraq, Turkey, and Turkmenistan. The later two countries refused to allow US forces to use their bases to launch attack on Iran. The US used 9/11 to attack Afghanistan and Iraq, neither country had anything to do with 9/11. It got bogged down in both.

    Isn’t it strange that neither Al-Qaeda nor ISIS has ever attacked the hated Israel. On the other hand Israel is providing medical and weapon support to all the terrorist groups including the MEK. Israel is well known for printing false passports from other countries. It was easy for them to supply passports for the 9/11 patsies, the Paris attackers, and now ISIS.

    The United Nation is such a joke. If it had any teeth it would order every country out of other country’s business. What business is it of the US to get involved in Syria’s civil war, or Libya’s? Let us worry about our own civil right abuses before we worry about Iran’s or Syria’s. Let us take care of our liberties before jumping in to take care of others. And what about civil right abuses of Palestinians?

    I normally agree with Pat but in this case he is totally way out in the left field.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @Rurik
  38. @Auntie Analogue

    Your dad lied to you about both the steel in the WTC buildings and about the characteristics of steel in general. I would suggest to you that if your dad ever tells you that it is raining, you go outside and check for yourself.

    Thanks for the link to wikipedia and Sherman’s Neckties, by that standard the buildings would have fallen to the side in the direction of the weakest side and then crashed into surrounding buildings rather than collapsing at near free-fall speed into their own footprint in a mass of dust and little pieces.

    There is abundant evidence of melted steel in the WTC buildings including video of real firemen describing molten steel running in streams in the underground sections of Ground Zero “Like being in a foundry”. The steel stayed molten for several weeks after 9/11 indicating an ongoing reaction of explosives or fission of some sort. Google it and look at the pics then show them to your dad, it’s never too late for him to learn.

    Let’s assume that we both want America to be healthy and strong again, denying truth is not the way forward.

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
  39. Kamran says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    I know about Mehmet, but I really don’t care all that much about ancient history. If you wish to live in the past then by all means do.

    I’m interested in history in so far as I can learn about human motivations and historical events. Not to “celebrate” figures.

  40. Rurik says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    example of 911, he’s just doing so to his best advantage. And why not?

    WHY NOT? Well, because it’s a vicious slander, that’s why not!

    you make a very excellent and salient point JR

    I have no way of knowing if Buchanan knows the truth about 911, but if he does, then as you mention, it would be wrong to cynically impugn Osama and those others (and by extension, Islam) for that crime to suit an agenda. Absolutely.

    But what if that event eventually just becomes part of the lexicon of our language? Like calling someone a Judas. I don’t know if the story of Judas literally happened, but I’ve used the name/word to make a point. It wasn’t intended to impugn Jews when I did, and I don’t think that’s how people take it. It’s just sort of entered into the language, like ‘quisling’ or Benedict Arnold.

    I hope one day when people say ‘911’ in regards to that event, that it will mean more or less what they mean when they say the “Reichstag fire’, which is another event that I’m not certain of the veracity of the story, but it is part of the lexicon of our language today.

    In the mean time, it means Muslim terrorism, and that is certainly a blood libel. So good on you for making that clear.

    If I might add one potentially mitigating consideration .. I don’t think Buchanan was trying to impugn Islam. I don’t even believe that Buchanan harbors any ill will towards Islam when it’s practiced in Islamic countries. (as, I hope it’s obvious, neither do I) But I do believe that Buchanan does believe, (as do I), that unlimited immigration of Muslims into Europe and N. America and Oceana is a suicidal insanity and crime of enormity akin to tossing dead animals infected with the black plague into the wells of your people.
    And that just like in the Balkans and Syria today, the forced proximity of Muslims and their culture next to Western people and values will result in rampant hatred and bloodshed and strife. Something I believe all people of good will should want to avoid if possible.

    a sane world would allow for Muslims to live in Muslim countries and thrive and prosper according to their natures and wonts

    same for Jews and Hindus and others

    and same for Western peoples (or white or Christian or whatever you want to call them)

    we all have our particular habits and character and should be allowed to create and maintain societies that allow our respective kinds to flourish according to our natures

    IMHO

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  41. Thirdeye says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    This comment board is obviously beneath an expert such as yourself – such an expert that you can ignore the ample evidence of steel girders losing strength in ordinary structural fires. I’m also sure you knew all there is to know about molten aluminum reacting with steel – not a cause of the steel microspheres in the dust at all. I’m sure the forensic engineering community will appreciate your unique knowledge.

  42. Thirdeye says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Not to contradict your obviously superior knowledge but the points of failure were at the attachments of the floors to the girders, accounting for the vertical direction of the failures.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  43. Rurik says:
    @MEexpert

    Pat:

    If you want the Muslims to stay out of your business, then stay out of theirs. Why does US have its forces in over 60 countries, mostly Muslims. Since when it is other peoples’ business to intervene other countries’ civil wars.

    Hey MEexpert ,

    I can’t think of any other writer who has been so absolutely on point for decades regarding your above statement. Pat Buchanan more than anyone has railed against the foreign policy adventurism and treasonous Eternal WarsⓊ for Israel. He’s the one who’s been on a bullhorn for years saying we need to bring our troops home and put them on the border. America first is his battle cry. And has been.

    just read the last sentence of his article:

    “Behind the reluctance of Trump and other Americans to send another U.S. army into a region that has seen wars in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan leave us with ashes in our mouths, lies a wisdom born of painful experience.”

    he is saying and has been saying we need to come home

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  44. Kamran says:
    @Anon

    Algerians and Moroccans tried to conquer France in the 7th century? Those two countries didn’t even exist back then. Not to mention that most of the ancestors of today’s Algerians/Moroccans weren’t even muslim back then.

    • Replies: @Jim
    , @Anon
  45. Jim says:
    @JEC

    Islam and the West have been in conflict for 1400 years. But throughout most of that period until fairly recently the West had a strong numerical advantage. As a result there was little possibility in the past of Islam overrunning the West.

    Today the size of Moslem populations adjacent to Europe has never been larger in relation to European populations. The Moslem populations are also much younger than the European populations. The Europeans seem no longer to have the will to resist the Islamic onslaught.

    The West now faces doom.

    • Replies: @Talha
  46. Jim says:
    @Drakejax

    While Charles Martel was no doubt handy with a battle-axe he was not the fundamental reason why the Arab advance halted. The fundamental reason was demographic. The number of Arabs at that time was far less than the number of Europeans. Until the coming of the Mongols and Turks the general trend after the eight century was for the Christians to gradually regain many areas conquered by the Arabs – Southern France, Southern Italy, Sicily, Spain, Malta, Crete, Cyprus, the Crusader Kingdoms, etc.

  47. Jim says:
    @Kamran

    The Battle of Tours was in the 8th century.

  48. Svigor says:

    Rehmat has his uses, similar to the New York Times. All lies, but they’re useful for telling us what the enemy would have us believe, for telling us what particular flavor of crazy they’re saddled with.

  49. nickels says:
    @Rurik

    Agreed that the HONEST scientist might learn something about humans on a larger scale via science.
    However, such investigations are very poorly constrained and the best one can do is theorize or try to make assumptions based on statistics. All definitive investigation fails.

    So here’s the problem. Enter the state. The bureaucrats want something. They commission a study about people and hire a scientists to come up with a study. Because such studies are ill constrained it is easy to justify the bureaucrats stance, which is then used as the HOLY WORD of science, when, in fact, the study really says little or nothing.

  50. The problem with Islam is its eschatology. They want to take over the world by any means necessary. When people think they’re destined to take over the planet, it leads them to do horrific things. Just ask any country that fell under the sway of Communism. There is even an aberrant strain of Christianity which, alas and alack! has been guilty of terrible things borne of the same motive.

    But Islamic eschatology leaves the rest of humanity with an intractable problem. How do we get along with hundreds of millions who have been taught that they must dominate us at all costs?

  51. Rurik says:

    All definitive investigation fails.

    I would say comes up short, but it’s nevertheless possible in theory

    So here’s the problem. Enter the state. The bureaucrats want something. They commission a study about people and hire a scientists to come up with a study. Because such studies are ill constrained it is easy to justify the bureaucrats stance, which is then used as the HOLY WORD of science, when, in fact, the study really says little or nothing.

    that sound exactly like the “science” behind Global Warming

    and you’re right, it pretty much covers all “science” today if there’s any public policy to be glimmered from it

  52. Talha says:
    @Rurik

    It’s quite fair to put in Martel with them. What was he doing before and after he fought the invading Arab armies? He was expanding his empire to the East and West against Christian kingdoms (or tribal federations) – there is no difference of opinion on this. The fact that they were Muslim or Christian or pagan is totally irrelevant. He made no apologies for invading fellow Christian kingdoms – which is exactly my point – to project the norms of current International relations (after things like the advent of the UN and drafting of the Geneva Conventions) onto pre-modern times (whether on Muslim, Christian, Mayan, Chinese, etc. kingdoms) is more histrionic that true adherence to history.

    Though I do not agree with you on the existence of God – I do find it scary that, as you said, “our civilizing veneer is thin, and it usually doesn’t take much to get to what’s underneath”.

    I would hope we are made of better stuff than this.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  53. Rehmat says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Pat Buchanan knows “he’s not supposed to bear false witness”, but if his Pope Francis can do that – why not Buchanan.

    The National Catholic Reporter (June 16, 2014) quoted the kosher Pope Francis saying: ‘Inside every Christian is a Jew‘ during an interview published by Spanish daily La Vanguardia newspaper earlier this month.

    Francis said: “Every day, I pray with the Psalms of David. My prayer is Jewish, then I have the Eucharist, which is Christian.”

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/06/19/pope-francis-inside-every-christian-is-a-jew/

  54. Talha says:
    @Jim

    Numbers don’t necessarily mean much. The people of the British Isles, with enough will and gun powder and ingenuity managed to bring about a 3rd of the world under their foot including crazy things like forcing the Chinese government to allow them to sell cheap opium to its people (see Opium Wars).

    I am surprised that we think the West faces doom so easily. Does says much less for the external forces than it does for our confidence in our own civilization.

    In every recent modern conflict Muslims are losing about 50-100 lives for every western life lost – their cities look like little Stalingrads everywhere – and we are afraid?

    If anything, the West is doomed from hedonistic lifestyles that have stopped caring about basics like raising children or keeping their families together. I know some Muslim families. Nice folks, they each have at least 3 or more children. That is hard, thankless work for almost two decades of your life.

    Let’s take Ms. Ann Coulter or Ms. Ilana Mercer for example, sure they have good ideas that they have put on paper, but railing against fellow Westerners about what they need to change about themselves is one thing, actually doing it yourself is totally something else. I think between the two of them they have had 1 kid – total. If the defenders of the Western culture paradigm cannot be bothered to perpetuate it genetically, what’s to say of the masses…Let’s truly look ourselves in the mirror, and keep in mind this (from Ms. Mercer’s website): “Advanced societies don’t just die; they either wither from within…”.

    • Replies: @Jim
  55. Svigor says:

    To be honest, again. Nobody in the Muslim world ever heard of, or gives a fuck about Charlie Martel. I discovered him from Internet comments.

    Let’s just get rid of all the libraries. Nobody in the Muslim world ever read any of those books, or gives a fuck about them.

    Let’s not be surprised when Muslims forget a loss.

    9/11 had nothing to do with bla bla bla

    Russian nuclear arsenal is a hoax. There is zero evidence to believe the Russians have a nuclear arsenal, much less ICBMs. All Soviet propaganda and fairy tales.

    Same goes for their so-called “space program.” They didn’t send anyone into space, it was all just a hoax. Russians were far too backward.

    What is so puzzling about this kind of rhetoric is how at odds it is with casual observation. I am currently living in Spain. There are hundreds of thousands of Muslims living in this country. I do not recall any time that I have been approached by a Muslim missionary. Not once.

    True, Muslims are lying when they say they want to peacefully proselytize. They only care about conversion by the sword. They don’t do that “feed the poor, heal the sick” nonsense with infidels. They just wait until they have the numbers, then launch a military campaign.

    There was no “melted steel” in the buildings struck by the 9-11 jihad attacks.

    You attempt to persuade the Kommunist/Jihadist Konspiracy Kooks, as if they base anything they say on facts or logic. As if they care about these things. Those things are for intelligent, honest people, not stupid liars like Kommunist/Jihadist Konspiracy Kooks. KJKKs couldn’t care less about facts and logic.

  56. Talha says:
    @Renoman

    Wow – do you live near one of those European ghettos or in the States? Can’t say much for Europe since I don’t live there, but I can’t think of a hospital in the States that I can walk into without a specialist with a Muslim (or Jewish) name. I used to live close by a Walgreens, the pharmacist was a nice lady, wore a headscarf. The dialysis center where my father goes has a nice Pakistani technician. Seriously, have you ever met a Muslim who isn’t a cab driver or something?

    I went to school – UCLA – in the same computer science program with a nice Muslim guy named Omar who eventually went on to found the company AdMob (which Google bought as their flagship for mobile advertising for nearly 3/4 billion dollars – Google and Apple were fighting over it).

    Need anymore good reasons to support the import of people willing to be productive members of society?

  57. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    But Patkins, you often said the problem isn’t so much Islam as US foreign policy. Muslims are inflamed cuz US messes up the Middle East.

    Also, what are Western Values? There seems to be Conservative Traditional Western Values and Liberal Decadent Western Values.

    Are the former closer to Islam or Liberal Decadent Western values?

    Isn’t Pat Buchanan’s values closer to those of Islam than to those of homo agenda, whore culture, radical feminism, anti-white-male-ism, (jiga)Boo interracism, vulgar Freudianism, white boy cuckism, and etc.?

    The funny thing is that white American Conservatives, who are morally closer to Muslims, hate the Muslims most, whereas white American Liberals, who are morally least like Muslims, feel some degree of sympathy(however faux and opportunistic it may be)with the Muslims. White American Conservatives who hate ‘gay marriage’ hate Muslims who also hate ‘gay marriage’. When Muslims oppose Western Decadence(also hated by White American Conservatives), white American Conservatives attack Muslims for being anti-Western when, in fact, Muslims are only in moral agreement with White Conservative Americans. White American Conservatives think, ‘when we oppose ‘gay marriage’, it is good cuz we do it in the name of God’, but they also think, ‘when Muslims oppose ‘gay marriage’, it is bad cuz it goes against ‘Western values’.’

    If Patkins prefers Conservative Western Values, then he should regard Islam less of a threat to the West than Liberal Western anti-values are.

    Even though there is interracism in Islam, the emphasis is on going beyond the race as Islam suppresses sexuality. In contrast, interracism in the West is explicitly ‘racist’: black men lust after blondes who are deemed superior in prettiness, and white girls go jungle feverish over Negroes cuz blacks are seen as macho studs.
    This leads to reversion of Negroes to junglery and regression of white race into worship of black savagery. How is that pro-Western?

    Also, how can the West say that it is closer to Jews than to Muslims? After all, Christianity developed as a rejection of Jews who were deemed the killers of Christ.
    Also, even though Jews have had a long history in both West and East, many more Jews were tolerated by and got along better with Muslims. And Jews collaborated with the Muslim Moors in Spain. And Jews in the Byzantine aided the Muslim conquest of Constantinople. And Jews sold white European slaves to the Muslim world.
    And Jews were leaders of communism and helped smash 50,000 churches in Russia.
    And Jews have been at the forefront of turning EU and US into lands of diversity.
    Jews, not Muslims, have had great hostile impact on Western politics and policies. While it’s true that Muslims are entering Europe in great numbers, it’s because Jews have been using their immense power to pressure the West into taking in tons of non-whites. And Jews say white nations must do this in order to survive. There’s Jewish logic for you. And Jews are now bragging that they’ve been at the forefront of the homo movement.

    So, why do we keep hearing that the West and Islam are totally incompatible? While there are fundamental differences between Christianity and Islam, I’d say Christianity still has more in common with Islam than with Judaism in some ways(both Christianity and Islam are universal religions, and Muslims respect Jesus whereas Jews hate him).
    Also, Christianity, if it is the foundation of Western Civilization, has more in common with Islam than with radical feminism, homomania, sexual licentiousness, finance capitalism, and etc. Also, Christians can learn from Muslims to be warriors again. The Christian West fell under the influence of Jews cuz it lost its warrior culture, at least vis-a-vis the Jews, Negroes, and homo, the top three enemies of Conservatism.

    Indeed, if Islam seems so hostile to Western Values, it is because Western Values are no longer true Western Values. If a 100 yrs ago, most white Christians were asked what they find more appalling, Muslim values or 21st Century Western decadence, they would have said the latter is more disgusting. They would have found Miley Cyrus more filthy than a Muslim woman in a veil.

    Also, the canard that the Islamic world is incapable of modernity and progress has to stop.
    If anything, it is the CIA-and-Jewish-controlled West that undermined so many attempts(some of them half-successful) by the Muslim world to modernize. After all, US did everything to undermine Nasser. US overthrew the modern socialist government of Iran. US aided the Medievalist Mujahadeen against Soviet-backed secular regime in Kabul. US toppled the secular Hussein and Gaddafi who, though tyrannical, did drag their nations to modernity to some extent. And US, Israel, and their extreme Muslim allies(esp the Saudis) have been doing everything to undermine the secular Assad who has led Syria as a modern nation.
    Also, the West favored the neo-Islamic Erdogan to the secular Kemalist military leadership in Turkey.

    So, it is disingenuous for the West to accuse the Muslim world of being incapable of modernizing(or having a Renaissance moment) when it has especially targeted for destruction those Muslim nations that have tried the hardest to become modern. If anything, US policies has added fuel to the ISIS fire.
    US, as controlled by Jews, say one thing but do another. It bitches about the Muslim world being stuck in the Middle Ages but, in actual practice, favors Medievalist freaks like ISIS and the Saudi monarchy(that works hand in hand with the Wahabis) and works against the secularist Muslim regimes that remade their society into more modern and secular ones.

    Of course, US will tolerate secular modernizing Muslim governments if they total cucks to the West — like Shah’s Iran and Mubarack’s Egypt —, but the US is utterly blind to how humiliating to the people who live under them. The people know that the governments are total puppets of US imperialism.

    The fact is the US, as controlled by Jews, don’t want to see successful modern Muslim nations as such will be rivals of Israel. Indeed, notice that Jews are far more worried about scientific and technological progress in Iran than about the loony religiosity that comes out of Saudis who fund terrorism and Jihadism all over the place. Jews know that, as crazy as Jihadis are, they set back the Muslim world back to the Middle Ages. In contrast, modern Muslims work at making scientific and economic progress.

    True Muslims want both modernity and respect for Islam. They know that Islam cannot be practiced like it was in the Middle Ages. But it’s still a part of what they are, and they want to be modern within the core moral framework of Islam.
    The West, as controlled by Jews, want only two paths for the Muslim world: medievalism(that holds back technological and economic progress for Muslims) or decadence & degeneracy, whereby Muslims give up Allah in favor of ‘gay marriage’ and trash culture, whereby they’ll be too addicted to junk to think and work as a proud unified people. It’s like the British sold opium to the Chinese to make them dependent and weak.

    While I know that Muslims values are not Western values, I would also say that decent Western values are mostly under assault by Jewish-Homo-Negro-led degeneracy, deviance, decadence, and putrid-ness.
    Islam is very limited, but it is a civilizational value and has allowed a people to sustain themselves morally and culturally for over a 1,000 yrs.
    But does anyone really believe twerking, homo parades, slut feminism, and cuckery can be the basis for future Western civilization?

    Buchanan is right to be worried about Muslims, but he’s barking up the wrong tree if he thinks Muslims pose the greatest threat. The West’s three main enemies are Negroes, Jews, and homos. Negroes cuz they are the natural destroyers of civilization. Jews because they take over elite institutions and force whites to do things that are bad for whites. Homos cuz they work with Jews to gain power and destroy normal and healthy moral values.
    If Muslims are entering the West in record numbers, it’s only because Western walls and resolve have been weakened and destroyed from the inside by the Horrible Trinity of Jews, Negroes, and homos. Also, let’s not forget that the Jewish-controlled West provoked the hornet’s nest in the Middle East.

    Jews, Boos, and Tooty-Toos are the bigger threat than the Moos.

  58. Hitler says:

    Islam and the West, the East and every one else(including some animals) on the face of this whole god damn earth is irreconcilable .

    Islam needs to be wiped the hell out totally, by attacking its ideas, its states, its everything. Or it needs to be reformed.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  59. @Kamran

    You’re proud of your ignorance of that historical figure, it seems. And by the way, we do not care whether you “give a f—” (real classy and godly, my friend): you and your vicious intolerant backwards religion are never to be trusted.

  60. @Hitler

    Leave Muslim countries alone until and unless they attack or fund those who attack us, then retaliate with overwhelming force (like the elimination of entire peoples).

    Islam has NOT enabled adherents to “sustain themselves morally and culturally” in any meaningful sense of the words which we’d comprehend. Islam makes it impossible to develop a morally, psychologically, socially, or sexually healthy, happy, and thriving culture.

  61. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Kamran

    “Algerians and Moroccans tried to conquer France in the 7th century”?

    Actually no. It was Arab Muslims in the 8th century. The fact you are 100 years off on your otherwise stupid comment says much.

    “Those two countries didn’t even exist back then”.

    Most countries in the world today didn’t exist back then. But the territories they now comprise did. And the Arabs and Muslims were living there.

    “Not to mention that most of the ancestors of today’s Algerians/Moroccans weren’t even Muslim back then.”

    Maybe or maybe not, but those who invaded France were all Muslim and I never said they came from those two pre-countries exclusively.

    The Muslims in France today comprise a new and in many ways more dangerous invasion.

  62. @Rurik

    I agree with your post, most muslims who have migrated to the west would have preferred and been happier to remain in their ancestral homelands and but for the actions of the west they would have.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  63. Jim says:
    @Talha

    I agree that Europeans could stop Moslem emigration into Europe if they had the will to do so.

    • Replies: @Talha
  64. @Thirdeye

    So according to your ‘logic’ the “points of failure were at the attachments of the floors to the girders, accounting for the vertical direction of the failures.” causing the buildings, all three of them, to collapse at near free fall speed into their own footprint thus contradicting Newton’s Laws of Physics, specifically the conservation of momentum? Please explain or bit beyond your ken too?

    You waffle on about me ignoring the ample evidence of steel girders losing strength in ordinary structural fires yet you fail to include the fact that there have been abundant fires of far greater intensity and duration than on 9/11 and in multiple skyscrapers yet NONE collapsed prior to that day when three did and all in the same, inexplicable (save due to explosives) manner.

    You contemptuously state that my knowledge is superior but given that you are comparing it to your own ‘knowledge’, that is hardly a compliment to be savoured. Isn’t a third eye supposed to be all-seeing or did I get that wrong and it actually denotes rank ignorance?

    People like yourself and another fred like to pose as patriots but in actuality you’re patriots in the same vein as the Vichy French were. I’ll give Auntie Analogue the benefit of the doubt on account of her believing her dim dad.

    Have a nice day.

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
  65. @Rurik

    Agreed Rurik, but in the above article Pat blames Muslims for 9/11 which clearly was used as the Reichstag Fire that served to manufacture consent for illegal and immoral wars that have bankrupted America and turned it into a police state. Surely that is a contradiction and Pat is justifiably being called out for that.

  66. Rurik says:
    @Talha

    The fact that they were Muslim or Christian or pagan is totally irrelevant.

    I respectfully disagree

    When Christians conquer Christians, or Muslims conquer Muslims- they’re not imposing their religion under threat of the sword- like Muslims do when they conquer Christians.

    Also when Europeans conquer other Europeans, they not imposing non-European genes on the vanquished, like Muslims or Mongols do when they conquer others who are not Mongols or Arabs or Persians. If I’m a Frenchmen, it rather does matter to me if those who are dominating my lands are other Gauls like me or Arabs from distant lands.

    I believe that is significant.

    Though I do not agree with you on the existence of God

    most people don’t, even if they often fight violent wars over what name He should be called or what manor of rituals He demands of his supplicants

    I would hope we are made of better stuff than this.

    I think we’re at our best when we love

    and at our worst when we hate

    I think that’s what is meant by ‘our better angels’

    but if we’re going to survive ourselves, we have to find the means and wisdom to do so somewhere inside our souls, because looking at the last century, the devil owned that one lock, stock and bomb’s away. We can’t simply sit back and console our selves that a higher power will prevail. Because it is a human with his finger on the button, not a God.

    Just look at what they’re doing now with those drones. Once manimal is given God-like power to smite from the air on a whim, he does it, doesn’t he?

    even entire wedding parties

    “… doesn’t take much to get to what’s underneath”.

    • Replies: @Talha
  67. Rurik says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    but for the actions of the west they would have.

    I like to make a distinction between the normative West where the Magna Carta was birthed and the Age of Enlightenment and the Renaissance and the Bill of Rights were invented

    vs.

    The occupied west where our corrupt governments and media are in the hands of international banksters and assorted war mongers and criminals.

    And you’re right, were it not for the psychopaths destroying the West and raining down murder and mayhem on Muslim countries right and left, we would all be better off.

  68. Talha says:
    @Jim

    I agree with you Jim, they could stop immigration with enough political will, but that still does not answer the question of the rot that is already inside (and I’m not talking about immigrants here). Much of the West has simply given up the will to survive. Even if you cleared out every single immigrant from the last 50 years that came into America or Europe, how is that going to pick the birth rates back up? That requires a completely different discussion…

    The fact of the matter is that we are witnessing an unprecedented phenomenon in human history. The most wealthy and powerful societies are not dying because of plague, war from external enemies, famine, etc. – they are simply giving up on both life and perpetuating their culture. I can’t tell you how many (white and well-to-do) coworkers I know that either have zero kids or only one. And I’m talking both the left and the right here – there are some Christians with big families but not many – raising kids is still tough in our instant drive-thru age.

    That does not bode well unless this is turned around in the next 50 years or so – in the end the whole immigration debate is irrelevant if the West just becomes a sprawl of empty structures (physical and abstract). We’ll have no choice but to ask people to come in to fill up the vacuum.

    Say what one will about Islam, it still seems to imbue some kind of coherence in family cohesiveness which is surviving in this day and age. I remember knowing an Afghan guy when I was in college – when I saw him and his brothers (grown men) interact with their mother – WOW – it’s almost like they worshiped the ground she walked on – I couldn’t even imagine that they had ever raised their voice in her presence.

    In a purely Darwinian sense – this resilience of the basic family structure trumps all.

    • Replies: @Jim
  69. @Talha

    Individually inoffensive–collectively catastrophic.

    • Replies: @Talha
  70. Corvinus says:

    Diversity Heretic—The conflict here is actually rather easy to reconcile–different countries for Muslims and others…”

    Corrected for accuracy —> The number of immigrants allowed to the United States is a policy designed by its citizens and implemented by their representatives in Congress. They may live wherever they choose, per freedom of association.

    JEC—“The conflict between Islam and the West is irreconcilable”

    Considering that Muslims have been living in the United States since its inception in a peaceful, civilized manner, and those conflicts are the result of radical Muslims in recent times, in part due to the machinations of the American government, these differences are able to be overcome.

    Anon—“Islam attacked Christianity first. Ditto with Judaism and Hinduism too.”
    
Care to back up that assertion?

  71. Talha says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    The collective is composed of the individual units – as logic would entail. Ergo, you let intelligent, hard working Muslims like the ones I described and you will get a positive outcome. That would require probably stricter controls which hardly anybody would object to.

    Medical professionals, scientists, entrepreneurs do not like ghettoizing themselves and are generally less likely to radicalize. And guaranteed, these are not the guys raping Swedish women, quite the opposite (in fact I know a Muslim IT web development guy in the states – his wife is a Swedish convert – who asked him to marry her). I think that is sane policy instead to root out bad people from coming in – sure you will have a misfire here or there – that is inevitable. Unless you want the brain drain from the Middle East and much of Asia to end up helping China get stronger.

  72. I have never encountered any statement by or about Hillary that spoke well of her understanding of the world.

    After this many years, I can hardly imagine anything that would.

    It doesn’t have to be a shift from left to right either. If she started channelling the ghost of Lenin on the real application of power in society or Trotsky on almost anything to do with how to organize an army on the fly or wage a multi-front war or seize state structures and power by manipulation etc., I would have some political and philosophical concerns but my estimate of her intelligence, depth of analysis, and seriousness would increase by enormous multiples.

    Even compared to previous female secretaries of state she is a silly figure. Madeleine Albright was a serious intellectual of the mid level, imprisoned by assumptions. Even Condoleezza Rice did some scholarly work on international relations. Both stumbled a lot but had earned their posts, at least equally with many male middling secretaries of state. Hillary earned all she has by fortuitous marriage, and THEN made a hash of the position.

    She is arguably even less qualified than Obama for the presidency. He, at least, demonstrated the showmanship and PR capabilities necessary to convince Americans he embodied their hopes, and to get elected, stomping Hillary along the way. Hillary is now on her second run and still can’t quite guarantee closing the deal even as the aging Crown Princess of America.

  73. @Thirdeye

    “Roman Catholicism spread its influence by force. Targets of that force were Pagans, Orthodox Christians, Jews, and Mohammedans. ”

    True, although all of this would better describe the Carolingian dynasty’s work when they revived a ‘Roman empire’ later on. The Christianization of the original Roman empire eventually included some state force restricting the life choices of non-Christian citizens, but only after the religion had taken hold of the state and the urban majority by the means Buchanan describes, over centuries. And it then proceeded to demand only the same honours and obedience the trad Roman state religion had demanded of its citizens. The Empire had no occasion to spread Christianity by force outside its borders before it collapsed in the West- the Germans all adopted the Arian or Catholic variants by means of ideological persuasion or economic gain.

    Later on, the Orthodox eastern empire also tried to spread its version of Christianity, also almost invariably by such means. The eastern empire used military force to slaughter its neighbours primarily for solid, rational secular reasons.

    Both western and eastern Christians did wage war both secular and religious against Muslim powers, but the overwhelming majority were defensive, and those that weren’t were fought in the former Christian lands conquered by Islam by force at some earlier date.

    Which I think was Buchanan’s original point- Christianity conquered the original empire by internal ideological persuasion, and then established supremacy by means fair and foul against fellow Romans using methods well within traditional Roman social requirements. It did not actually start waging religious war outside the empire against Muslims, pagans or fellow Chjristians until centuries later, and with the wars with Islam already well under way.

    Islam owns all its lands first by military conquest, only then by conversion.

    I don’t necessarily object of course, history has its rules I wish we would learn and apply.

    Islam also has the curious habit of assuming that anyplace ever Muslim must remain so, a sort of Brezhnev doctrine avant la lettre. Their occasional remarks about Spain make me wonder what the world would be like if Christians were forever calling for the reconquest and conversion of [basically] everything between Morocco and greater Syria.

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
  74. @Talha

    Martel, Genghis and those Sultans would not have intervened in the present conflict except to their own advantage.

    The present US debate about intervention is not a reversion to their idea of norms, in contradiction to the new post-1945 norm. The prospect of Western intervention in Syria is a RESULT of the post-1945 norm, which assumes that the international system has to intervene in such things to maintain stability and solve ‘humanitarian crises’. The US has nothing to gain by this, and if it was thinking in pre-1945 terms it would not be intervening, or at least would have done so quite differently. And could carve the place up with the Russians nicely.

    The proper traditionalist response is to respect that all peoples have the right to kill one another in their own perceived causes, and others can intervene only when they have skin, as they define it.

  75. Talha says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik, a lot of what you are saying makes sense, but stating platitudes without serious facts to back it up does less to form an informed criticism of Islam and Muslims as to completely undermine your authority on the subject. I studied Byzantine History formally in university – that whole Muslims forced conversions of Christians by the sword is a canard. Some of the most ancient Christian orthodox churches have existed in the middle of Muslim lands (Assyrian, Chaldean, Coptic, Nestorian). In fact we learned that the Caliphs and Sultans provided a bulwark against Papal domination and persecution of what it considered heretical doctrine. For example, imagine if the Nation of Islam (the Black Nationalist movement that said Fard Mohammad was God incarnate) had sprung up, not in the US, but in Egypt – they would have totally been hunted down as apostates – so the US actually serves a similar function against any one Muslim doctrine within its borders.

    From the Encyclopedia Britannica (http://www.britannica.com/topic/Nestorians):
    “Nestorius had been anathematized at Ephesus in 431 for denouncing the use of the title Theotokos (“God-Bearer”) for the Blessed Virgin, insisting that this compromised the reality of Christ’s human nature. When supporters of Nestorius gathered at the theological school of Edessa, it was closed by imperial order in 489, and a vigorous Nestorian remnant migrated to Persia….”
    “After the Arab conquest of Persia (637), the Caliphate recognized the Church of the East as a millet, or separate religious community, and granted it legal protection. Nestorian scholars played a prominent role in the formation of Arab culture, and patriarchs occasionally gained influence with rulers. For more than three centuries the church prospered under the Caliphate, but it became worldly and lost leadership in the cultural sphere. ”
    This is all documented from original Christian sources:
    http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199670673.001.0001/acprof-9780199670673-chapter-9

    Hell, even Christians in Gaza are saying they get respect from Hamas (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/12/20/after-2000-years-christians-gaza-disappearing/77503936/):
    “During the 2014 war, the Church of St. Porphyrius was opened up by the Christian community as a shelter for hundreds of Muslims. In addition, many Christians said they feel respected under Hamas’ rule, and that the militant group regards them as an important religious minority. ‘The government here has helped us, and we can go to them if we have problems,” Jilder said. “We face the same problems, the same bombs.”

    The Christians have been leaving (since the recent Iraq war) their ancestral lands because of the madness that is happening (which we helped start and fuel) and this neo-Wahhabi cult (which we helped arm). This means that all the successive Muslim rulers of that area did in fact not force them to convert (otherwise, how could they still be around and leaving just now). I doubt it is because of the lack of military capability – when Turkish nationalists were able to gain sway over the Ottoman Empire it led to the Armenian genocide, but the question arises, how come the Armenians were there for hundreds of years before under the Ottoman’s predecessors.

    Of course we learned that Christians were not what you would consider full citizens that could rise up to attain political power so as to become a governor or sultan, etc. but that is pretty much par for the course in the ancient world under any dominant group.

    So if we’re going to criticize Islam and Muslim history, most welcome to it, but just stating something that is not backed by facts reduces one’s credibility among an informed and educated audience – which I assume is your target. As far as the rabble of society, they’ll believe anything that’s packaged in a sound bite.

  76. Thirdeye says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    ……there have been abundant fires of far greater intensity and duration than on 9/11 and in multiple skyscrapers….

    uh….. no

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  77. Thirdeye says:
    @random observer

    Your view of Islam is overly monolithic. There are local traditions varying from pluralist to absolutist. The variety that established the Caliphate in the Sixth Century was one of the former. Christian and Jewish populations thrived within it. The most absolutist form, Wahhabism, is a more recent development.

    The Crusader wars against Muslim powers were anything but defensive. They were driven by the desire of Roman Catholics to seize power in the Holy Land. There were eastern Christian communities established in Palestine, but it didn’t matter to the Crusaders. The Vatican wanted to be in charge. The Crusades towards Palestine were of a piece with the Crusades that followed shortly in the Baltic region against eastern Christians. The Slavics who converted to Catholicism in Poland embraced that Crusade. They’ve been carrying the torch for it with their bigoted version of Catholic ideology ever since.

    The Ottoman Empire saw the rise of more absolutist, warlike Islam. The more belligerent Islam of the Ottoman Empire was fostered in part by the experience of the Crusades.

    We need no reminders of the brutality of the Dominicans in Spain during the Inquisition and the religiously inspired viciousness towards conquered peoples during the rise of the Spanish Empire.

  78. Tony says:
    @Talha

    Yeah so you met a few nice muslims. Very anecdotal. How’s about we let a bunch of em into your neighborhood.

    • Replies: @Talha
  79. Thirdeye says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Since you’re talking about intensity, tell us which of those fires had a full load of jet fuel as an accelerant.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  80. Talha says:
    @Tony

    Absolutely, if they are like the ones I’ve met, they are most welcome to settle down near me – the ignorant rubes and dregs (Muslim or not) can stay far away. We used to live in a neighborhood with a nice Muslim family too, our kids played together. If my wife got sick or was recovering from a surgery, they sent food (a bit ethnic, but nice) – you bet those kinds of people are welcome.

  81. MarkinLA says:
    @Thirdeye

    Not just the burning jet fuel. How many had a 100 ton plane traveling at 500 miles an hour slam into them?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  82. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Mr. Buchanan:
    if Islam is the problem, why have all American governments since the 1970s been selling billions of dollars worth of weapons and arms to Saudi Arabia on an annual basis? Couldn’t you read the Quran back then and figure out that supporting Muslim governments was a recipe for disaster? After all, the religion had been around for 1,400 years, and if it requires such behaviour from its adherents, they would have been acting that way since 670 AD, shouldn’t they? Otherwise, they wouldn’t be Muslims, as per your interpretation of Islam. Or was everyone before you too retarded to gain your incredible insight? Why wasn’t Saudi Arabia attacked and levelled to the ground when its connections to bin Laden were discovered? Why weren’t the bin Laden family members inducted into Guantanamo Bay as its first guests, instead of being given special permission to leave America on 9/11? Why wasn’t Saudi Arabia carpet bombed when its funding to Al Qaeda was discovered? Or when its funding to ISIS was discovered? Or why wasn’t Qatar bombed “back into the stone age” (as Richard Armitage threatened to do to Pakistan) when its funding and arming of ISIS was discovered?

    Your own governments’ past actions, and your defence of their decisions, contradict the claim you make here today. How can you resolve such inconsistency in your own reasoning?

    You have very selective and suspect memories, sir. Would love to see some of your sources for the alleged interpretations of Islam that you discuss willy nilly without any citations. Unless, of course, you’re now claiming to be an expert on Islam yourself. Very impressive.

    If you’re looking for real answers for recent violence by Muslims, maybe you could start by asking why America needed to maintain more than 1000 military bases around the world, even after the collapse of the Soviet Union? That would be a start to discover why so many Muslims are acting out of violence. Oh, and a better look into the whole destruction of the Middle East since the war crime of invading Iraq in 2003 would also reveal some insights. Just a suggestion.

  83. @MarkinLA

    Oh! A double clown act, goody.

    Those planes can’t travel at even close to 500mph at that low altitude. Anyway, the architects stated that the buildings were designed and constructed to withstand multiple crashes from a 707 weighing 50% more and carrying 50% more fuel. Go ahead, look it up.

    Take another squint at the video of the impact and you’ll see most of the fuel burned OUTSIDE the building and anyway, naturally aspirated jet fuel doesn’t burn at a very high temp.

    It takes time to heat steel, even with very high temps (much higher than those present) especially steel as thick as the steel support columns in WTC 1 & 2 (Only yourselves appear to be thicker)

    The fires featured in the link provided burned for much longer.

    WTC 7 was not hit by a plane but collapsed in the same manner, i.e. controlled demolition.

    Try ae911truth.org for scientific information and expose yourselves to some facts. Newton’s Laws are not called Newton’s Theories for a good reason.

    By all means stick to your impossible and illogical theory though, it’s endorsed by another great thinker like yourselves, GW Bush.

    Merry Christmas. Hopefully Santa bought you some books, there’s not a moment to lose.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  84. Jim says:
    @Talha

    Yes, the West seems to have lost the will to survive. On the other hand exponential increase of population quickly outruns the carrying capacity of any territory. Japan is an extremely crowded country with it’s current population. China has huge problems with pollution and environmental damage. So a constantly increasing population soon leads to disaster.

    I would hope that a country like Japan could reduce it’s population to a level consistent with a better life for the Japanese while at the same time prevent mass migration of other peoples to Japan.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  85. MarkinLA says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Anyway, the architects stated that the buildings were designed and constructed to withstand multiple crashes from a 707 weighing 50% more and carrying 50% more fuel. Go ahead, look it up.

    This is a stupid thing to say even for you. There is absolutely no way to guarantee anything about this type of extreme action on a building. There are a lot of things contributing to the failure. The damage inflicted on the support columns by something slamming into them. The kinetic energy of the plane being converted into heat energy. The burning fuel weakening the superstructure. The mass of the building above the failure point.

    How many times did those architects fly a plane into a fully built building?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  86. @MarkinLA

    I stated what the architects themselves had said which was that the WTC buildings were designed to absorb the impact from being hit by a 707 and could probably withstand multiple hits. The example of poking a pencil through a flyscreen was given. It’s on video, look it up.

    Wrong on every single point you’ve made so far Mark. Sad because this is the issue that could unravel the conspiracy that has America under attack (and America is losing). It is the Reichstag Fire that has bankrupted the nation, divided its people, weakened its military, undermined its support worldwide, imposed a Police State domestically and exposed the US “Superpower to be humiliated by ragtag warriors in Iraq and Afghanistan and still you bang on and on.

    What’s the cost of living in LA these days Mark? About 10 IQ points a year it seems?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  87. @Talha

    My work has also made me aware of Muslims who are guilty of healthcare fraud, food stamp fraud in their convenience-store businesses, and receiving food stamps for their families while working for cash off the books. Model citizens all, eh?

    There are good and bad in every group, but when a religion’s holiest book explicitly calls for people of other belief systems to be killed or subjugated AND a meaningful number of adherents of the religion are applying that principle on a widespread basis today against civilians in their “host” countries, it will never be wise to let any large number of adherents to that religion into one’s country.

    Unless some of them are cab drivers or surgeons, then it’s okay to take the risk with our children’s lives and freedom and the future of our nation and culture. I see your logic.

    • Replies: @Talha
  88. @Jim

    You’re right on regarding endless population growth, and China is a perfect example. Their air pollution is so extreme that it measurably and substantially harms OUR air quality (meaning the lungs of my children) on the U.S. West Coast.

    But what to do when other races and nations will not stop reproducing so much even after they have plainly outstripped the carrying capacity of their area in terms of sufficient potable water, clean air, fossil fuels and mineral resources, and concomitantly quality of life? What to do when those races seek to take what we have through war or more likely through colonization (mass “immigration”)?

    Peoples of the West — European, European-descended, and/or Christian people — need to do the hard work of having far more children. Only then will our descendants be numerous and strong enough to stand a chance at the ballot box, in economic and educational competition, in cultural and social influence, and if necessary in defense of themselves on the streets and in the prisons.

    The world is overcrowded, but it’s not worth tying to ameliorate that by restraining the population growth of generally more intelligent, productive, advanced, and civilized peoples like the Japanese, Germans, French, Italians, Scandinavians, Polish, Ukrainian and Russian, Euro-Americans, etc.

    There are two places that account for the lion’s share of the unwise, unsustainable, environment- and health-destroying population growth in the world: India and Africa. Period. That’s a matter of mathematics, not racial animus or cultural editorializing. It would seem that both India and Africa should be encouraged, at the least, to reduce their populations — at least, at first, slow the rate of growth and then stop the growth. Ending government aid to African “countries” and discouraging private aid would be a good start, involving no violence.

  89. Talha says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Never said they were all model citizens – the ones who shot up San Bernardino obviously were not. I am saying I have been witness to those who are very good citizens. The ones you are describing are obviously criminals – but seriously, every Muslim you have met is a criminal?-That would be a stretch unless of course your work involves probing into criminal/fraudulent behavior, in which case of course every Muslim you run into is going to be underhanded.

    Again, I am a student of history here and trying to approach this on a factual basis. And I agree with you that if a large number of them want to come in with nefarious intent, they should be kept out. As it is they are about 1-2% of the population – I am not worried about their influence (especially to ‘subjugate’ us) as much as the rot (I explained earlier) that is already pervading the West as far as mores and culture and negative birth-rates. We are the ones whisking away freedoms every time somebody commits a pinprick attack on us (4th Amendment is on life support right now). Our reactions are staggeringly in their favor; they carry out an attack that costs $2K and kills ten people and we institute policy that costs a $1+ billion – it’s called rope-a-dope like Ali used to do against hard-hitters like Foreman and Shavers (remember, he never lost until his disease was starting to affect him). And – as some wise economic analysts have pointed out – “our children’s lives and freedom and the future of our nation and culture” are far more at risk from massive economic meltdown than the power-projection of some neo-Wahabbi cult that has not one aircraft or ship to pass between the lot of them.

    Gotta be realistic when you approach this stuff and not give into the hype.

  90. Corvinus says:

    Radical Center…

    “Peoples of the West — European, European-descended, and/or Christian people — need to do the hard work of having far more children.”

    Christian people also include Asians and Africans. Second, having children is something that ALL people regardless of background should focus us IF they are financially and mentally ready.

    “The world is overcrowded, but it’s not worth tying to ameliorate that by restraining the population growth of generally more intelligent, productive, advanced, and civilized peoples like the Japanese, Germans, French, Italians, Scandinavians, Polish, Ukrainian and Russian, Euro-Americans, etc”

    

Africans and Latin Americans observably meet the definition of “intelligent, productive, advanced, and civilized peoples”. You are actually describing the human race.

    “It would seem that both India and Africa should be encouraged, at the least, to reduce their populations — at least, at first, slow the rate of growth and then stop the growth.”

    Encouraged, yes. Realistically, it’s not going to happen. Really not our choice, it’s their decision whether or not to procreate.

    “Ending government aid to African “countries”…”

    Don’t really know why you put countries in quotes. Care to elaborate?

    “My work has also made me aware of Muslims who are guilty of healthcare fraud, food stamp fraud in their convenience-store businesses, and receiving food stamps for their families while working for cash off the books. Model citizens all, huh?”

    Undoubtedly SOME engage in fraud, just like white families, Hispanic families, and black families who abuse welfare.

    “…AND a meaningful number of adherents of the religion are applying that principle on a widespread basis today against civilians in their “host” countries.”



    Corrected for accuracy—> A subset of the overall Muslim population is engaging in jihad against their own people.

  91. MarkinLA says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    You are ranting like some psychotic.

    It doesn’t matter what some guy says he “designed” it for. There is no way to design for extreme unexpected events. There would be a difference in the ability of building to survive between hitting the building at the top floor and the 30th from the top due to all the mass the weakened steel has to support. Structures fail all the time even though they too are designed not to and have safety factors built in.

    I did lose 10 IQ points by reading your posts, however.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
    , @NoseytheDuke
  92. Mulegino1 says:
    @MarkinLA

    There is no way that what happened to WTC 1 and 2 can even remotely be characterized as a “collapse due to hydrocarbon based fires weakening the steel tresses”, which is what NIST claims initiated the “collapse”. But there was no “collapse”. Most of the steel and concrete components of the Twin Towers experienced molecular dissociation, and were turned into the hot dust cloud that blanketed lower Manhattan. The buildings were destroyed by small nuclear weapons or some other types of high explosive devices which were detonated at the basement and sub-basement levels; all of the signatures of a nuclear detonation were present, namely:

    Electromagnetic pulse, which caused the metallic components of automobiles in the vicinity of the Towers, vehicles which were not close to any fires or hit by any debris, to burst into flame, while their non-metallic components remained virtually untouched.

    If you look at closeups of the top of the North Tower immediately prior to the so called “collapse”, you will see a fireball rising.

    There was also a mushroom cloud virtually identical to those caused by the detonation of a tactical nuclear weapon.

    In the sub basement and foundational levels of the Twin Towers, fires burned for months after the buildings were destroyed, despite not having any known source of fuel, and were non-responsive to water and fire retardants.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  93. @MarkinLA

    Have a go at comprehending what Mulegino1 wrote, sounds very well informed to me.

    Sorry to hear that you lost 10 IQ points from reading my own posts. It would come as no surprise to anyone reading them and yours that it would have been extremely difficult for you to do so and now it would appear that you probably only have a dozen or so left to function with. Have you considered trying reading books with pictures?

    Seriously though, is it the smog, the filthy dirt in the streets, the ocean pollution? To what do you attribute the obvious cerebral retardation leading to your own inability to absorb factual information such as basic physics as any normal functioning brain would allow?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  94. alexander says:

    Dear Mr Buchanan ,

    Lets say “you ” are an Afghan peasant, who has been living on his land for 15 generations.

    You herd sheep and livestock, grow some wheat, and have some chickens.You have a large family, a fine wife, with many sons and daughters .

    One day an american jet drops a bomb on your home, killing everyone and all your livestock. your home is destroyed and your family has been vaporized., so too has your livelihood and all your possessions.

    Would you not “hate” the people who just did this.?..and if you chose to grab an AK-47 and join up with a group fighting the people who killed everything you loved and lived for….could any one blame you?

    …Is that, Mr Buchanan, your definition of a “radicalized Muslim?…is that your definition of a “new” Jihadi “recruit?….is that your definition of” Islamo-Fascism” ?

    Isn’t this behavior” normal “behavior,? Wouldn’t every single American, who had the same thing done to them…react the exact same way ?

    I think your talk of a “world conquering Islam” kinda falls flat on its face in reference to this Afghan peasant..who just had his world bombed out of existence.

    He may have been a Muslim, its true, but he could not give a hoot about “jihad”, or global Islam, until we eviscerated his life.

    Seeing the sources of conflict and hate , for what they are, go a long way to dissuade the dreaded “clash of civilizations” you are so sure is a product of “Islam”.

    Maybe thinking twice about bombing “Muslims” who were just minding their own business from the beginning ….wouldn’t hurt either.

  95. MarkinLA says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    You don’t have any facts must some idiotic speculation that can never be proven. It is sad that you aren’t even smart enough to understand that.

  96. MarkinLA says:
    @Mulegino1

    buildings were destroyed by small nuclear weapons

    This just proves how delusional you are. You really think you can make a nuclear device releasing such a small amount of energy? Do you realize what 10 tons of TNT would do?

    https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-smallest-nuclear-explosion-ever-made

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  97. Charron says:

    Hmm. Did the overthrow of the elected government of Iran by the U.S. and the U.K. have nothing to do with the desire of the west to control Moslem countries? Did the invasion of a Moslem country by the U.S., leader of the West civilization, have nothing to do with the West’s desire to take over the middle east?

    Pat can exhibit remarkable insights at times and also remarkable blindness at times. Is he not aware of the threat posed by moslem immigration into Europe that he finds so frightening (and it is a worrisome development), has largely been the result of the West’s invasions, bombings and meddling into the moslem countries of the Middle East, and not the result of an Islamic plot to take over the West, although this now becomes possible and an attractive reaction for moslems?

    The moslem takeover would not be possible if the west was healthy and not weakened by embracing secular values.

  98. Mulegino1 says:
    @MarkinLA

    A small amount of energy? Did a “small amount of energy” disintegrate most of the steel and concrete cores of WTC1 and 2? Did a “small amount of energy” create temperatures many times hotter than the surface of the sun, sufficient to melt bedrock? And what about the fires that burned for months after the event with no known fuel source?

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1634-ground-zeros-fires-still-burning/#.VUFNrFU4nTZ

  99. Rurik says:

    Did the invasion of a Moslem country by the U.S., leader of the West civilization, have nothing to do with the West’s desire to take over the middle east?

    Pat can exhibit remarkable insights at times and also remarkable blindness at times.

    who, more than Buchanan has railed against these insane wars from the beginning?

    The moslem takeover would not be possible if the west was healthy and not weakened by embracing secular values.

    who, more than Buchanan has lamented the decline of Western values?

    I’ve been reading Buchanan for quite some time now, and while I don’t always agree with him, I can’t think of a more cogent voice against the wars of Zion or the moral rot imposed by Hollywood and their ilk than Pat Buchanan.

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