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Candidate Donald Trump may have promised to extricate us from Middle East wars, once ISIS and al-Qaida were routed, yet events and people seem to be conspiring to keep us endlessly enmeshed.

Friday night, a drone, apparently modeled on a U.S. drone that fell into Iran’s hands, intruded briefly into Israeli airspace over the Golan Heights, and was shot down by an Apache helicopter.

Israel seized upon this to send F-16s to strike the airfield whence the drone originated. Returning home, an F-16 was hit and crashed, unleashing the most devastating Israeli attack in decades on Syria. Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu says a dozen Syrian and Iranian bases and antiaircraft positions were struck.

Monday’s headline on The Wall Street Journal op-ed page blared:

“The Iran-Israel War Flares Up: The fight is over a Qods Force presence on the Syria-Israeli border. How will the U.S. respond?”

Op-ed writers Tony Badran and Jonathan Schanzer, both from the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, closed thus:

“The Pentagon and State Department have already condemned Iran and thrown their support behind Israel. The question now is whether the Trump administration will go further. … Secretary of State Rex Tillerson (has) affirmed that the U.S. seeks not only to ensure its allies’ security but to deny Iran its ‘dreams of a northern arch’ from Tehran to Beirut. A good way to achieve both objectives would be back Israel’s response to Iran’s aggression — now and in the future.”

The FDD is an annex of the Israeli lobby and a charter member of the War Party.

Chagai Tzuriel, who heads the Israeli Ministry of Intelligence, echoed the FDD: “If you (Americans) are committed to countering Iran in the region, then you must do so in Syria — first.”

Our orders have been cut.

Iran has dismissed as “lies” and “ridiculous” the charge that it sent the drone into Israeli airspace.

If Tehran did, it would be an act of monumental stupidity. Not only did the drone bring devastating Israeli reprisals against Syria and embarrass Iran’s ally Russia, it brought attacks on Russian-provided and possibly Russian-manned air defenses.

Moreover, in recent months Iranian policy — suspending patrol boat harassment of U.S. warships — appears crafted to ease tensions and provide no new causes for Trump to abandon the nuclear deal Prime Minister Hassan Rouhani regards as his legacy.

Indeed, why would Iran, which, with Assad, Russia and Hezbollah, is among the victors in Syria’s six-year civil war, wish to reignite the bloodletting and bring Israeli and U.S. firepower in on the other side?

In Syria’s southeast, another incident a week ago may portend an indefinite U.S. stay in that broken and bleeding country.

To recapture oil fields lost in the war, forces backed by Assad crossed the Euphrates into territory taken from ISIS by the U.S. and our Kurd allies. The U.S. response was a barrage of air and artillery strikes that killed 100 soldiers.

What this signals is that, though ISIS has been all but evicted from Syria, the U.S. intends to retain that fourth of Syria as a bargaining chip in negotiations.

In the northwest, Turkey has sent its Syrian allies to attack Afrin and President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has threatened Manbij, 80 miles to the east, where U.S. troops commingle with the Kurd defenders and U.S. generals were visible last week.

Midweek, Erdogan exploded: “(The Americans) tell us, ‘Don’t come to Manbij.’ We will come to Manbij to hand over these territories to their rightful owners.”

The U.S. and Turkey, allies for six decades, with the largest armies in NATO, may soon be staring down each other’s gun barrels.

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Has President Trump thought through where we are going with this deepening commitment in Syria, where we have only 2,000 troops and no allies but the Kurds, while on the other side is the Syrian army, Hezbollah, Russia and Iran, and Shiite militias from Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan?

Clearly, we have an obligation not to abandon the Kurds, who took most of the casualties in liberating eastern Syria from ISIS. And we have a strategic interest in not losing Turkey as an ally.

But this calls for active diplomacy, not military action.

And now that the rebels have been defeated and the civil war is almost over, what would be the cost and what would be the prospects of fighting a new and wider war? What would victory look like?

Bibi and the FDD want to see U.S. power deployed alongside that of Israel, against Iran, Assad and Hezbollah. But while Israel’s interests are clear, what would be the U.S. vital interest?

What outcome would justify another U.S. war in a region where all the previous wars in this century have left us bleeding, bankrupt, divided and disillusioned?

When he was running, Donald Trump seemed to understand this.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. I’m all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria. Iran is Syria is more of a threat to Israel than ISIS because Iran is a nation state with the capability to make advance missiles and weaponry and has allies like Russia and China from whom it can purchase missiles.

    Whether people like it or not, it seems confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran in Syria is inevitable. I hope its more severe next time. They may even hit Syrian defense headquarters in Damascus.

    Pat seems to suggest that Iran is telling the truth here. Well, Pat, there’s video proof of the Iranian drone flying into Israeli territory. Funny how the people on this website seem to paint Israel as the malevolent force and Iran as a trustworthy, benevolent force in the region. All I get in response are snarky insults and am called “Hasbara boy.”

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?

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    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?
     
    Just because Russia is fine with US and EU military and missile bases right next to its borders.
    What else would be their intentions besides attacking Russia?

    Is it enough for you to understand?
    Or we have to bomb you?

    I know you answers, just try to invert it and use Russia instead of Israel and US instead of Iran.
    Stupid hypocritical bastards.
    , @Carroll Price
    Their obvious intent is preventing Israel from continually attacking it's neighbors at will, which they've done since Israel was created in 1948, and while suffering no adverse consequences. But, thanks to Iran and Hezbollah (who cleaned Israel's clock in 2006) those days are over. Get used to it.
    , @Randal

    I’m all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria
     
    Of course you are. But like all militarist hypocrites you'll squeal like a two year old girl about "unprovoked aggression" if and when there were to be any retaliation against either Israel or its US enablers.


    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?
     
    Their intention is to deter Israeli attacks, since Israel has an established track record of attacking Lebanon and engages in regular ongoing attacks on Syria.

    But you already know that. Unless you are just profoundly ignorant and stupid, rather than dishonest.
    , @Rurik

    the Iranian drone flying into Israeli territory.
     
    he said the Golan Heights fool

    the Golan Heights is Syrian territory, (Israel illegally occupying it and trying to steal it, notwithstanding).

    explain to me why Israel should be fine with....
     
    because Israel should be fine with waking up in the morning and not having US Marshals dragging the perpetrators of 9/11 out of the country by their ears, and renditioned to Gitmo where that place can finally be put to a good use. So as to get to the bottom of that singular act of treachery once and for all, and to ferret out all the traitors and murderers who committed that unspeakably heinous crime.

    I think everyday that US Marshals aren't busting down the doors of those blood-stained bastards and hauling them away .. is a day that Israel should be more than fine with. No?
    , @Currahee
    Hasbara boy
    , @inthemix1611
    How much does Netenyahoo pay you to sit in the basement of the Tel Aviv Synagogue with your pants down to your ankles posting such bull? Explain the Oded Yinon plan to us since you know everything..huh troll? How many sheckles you get for that ?
    , @Twodees Partain
    Why are you still here? Shouldn't you be down at the recruiting office? Nah, you're not about to go into harm's way when you can stand on the sidelines and shake the pompoms for war.

    I'll bet you were a cheerleader in college like your hero GW Bush.
    , @Wally
    "I’m all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria."

    As long as US taxpayers pay for it, as long as it is largely the US who is actually doing it.

    "That shitty little country" wouldn't last month without US taxpayers cash.


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    , @jacques sheete

    All I get in response are snarky insults and am called “Hasbara boy.”
     
    Aww, now ain't dat tender? You must be another "chosen" 'victim."

    BTW, given your whining, what ARE you doing here? Who forced you here anyway?

    Now, go get your diaper changed; you got "threats" to deal with.
    , @MEexpert
    Why are you here?

    I’m all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria.
     
    I am all for any country bombing or droning those parasites, Netanyahu and MbS, off the map of the Middle East.

    Iran is Syria is more of a threat to Israel than ISIS because Iran is a nation state with the capability to make advance missiles and weaponry and has allies like Russia and China from whom it can purchase missiles.
     
    With almost 300 nuclear weapons, Israel is definitely a threat to peace and a destabilizing force in the Middle East, and has allies like the US and the UK from whom it gets economic and military handouts.

    Whether people like it or not, it seems confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran in Syria is inevitable. I hope its more severe next time. They may even hit Syrian defense headquarters in Damascus.
     
    I hope there is a confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah so that Hezbollah can teach Israel a lesson once for all. The problem is that Israel's poodle (the US) will come running to help its master. Without the US help, Israeli "highly trained and armed" military is no match for the volunteer Resistance force of Hezbollah. This time Hezbollah will hit Tel Aviv, you can bet on it.

    Pat seems to suggest that Iran is telling the truth here.
     
    How dare he? Pat knows that only Netanyahu tells the truth (wink wink). That is why Netanyahu is facing indictment in Israel. For your information, wherever you are, Iran has never lied and Netanyahu and Israel has never told the truth. It is a simple fact that everyone knows.

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?
     
    Can Mr or Miss "whyiamhere" intelligently explain to all of us why anyone in the Middle East should be fine with Israel maintaining an arsenal of 300 nuclear weapons, hundreds of modern aircraft and getting yearly military aid from the United States? What else could be Israel's intentions besides taking land away from the Palestinians and attacking the neighboring countries, which it has done since its 1948.
    , @ANON
    The Link Between Jews and Money Is No Longer Taboo
    After years of focusing on anti-Semitism, more and more historians are daring to deal with a subject long considered untouchab

    A striking example is German sociologist Werner Sombart, who in 1911 published the influential book “The Jews and Modern Capitalism” (English edition, 2001, translated by M. Epstein). In response to sociologist Max Weber, Sombart argued that it was the Jews, not the Protestants, who invented capitalism. The Jews’ compatibility with capitalism, he thought, was related to substantive traits in Judaism, which, from the dawn of history, trained the Jews in “the subjugation of the merely animal instincts in man.” In a highly dubious manner, the sociologist associates abstract Jewish thinking with the Jews’ nomadic desert origins: “The sharp outlines of the landscape in hot, dry countries, their brilliant sunshine and their deep shadows, their clear, starlit nights and their stunted vegetation – cannot all these be summed up in the one word, abstraction?”
    Actually, Jewish scholars have often sought to emphasize the socialist elements of their culture, a tendency that was consistent with the leftist bent of many Jewish intellectuals in the mid-20th century. But that situation seems to be changing. Not a few contemporary Jewish intellectuals have embraced capitalism as a legitimate economic approach, and are not ashamed of it. As such, they are proud to present their co-religionists as pioneers of capitalism.
    One of the latter group is the historian Jerry Z. Muller. In his 2010 book “Capitalism and the Jews,” Muller homes in on the Jewish financiers who established the Deutsche Bank and the Dresdner Bank. A similar approach is taken in “The Chosen Few” (2012), by Maristella Botticini and Zvi Eckstein. Their book describes usurious moneylending as a Jewish trade, one in which Jews specialized of their own volition, in order to exploit their relative advantages over the uneducated general population. In this way, the authors maintain, the Jews brought prosperity to the countries in which they were active.
    The past decade has also seen the publication of many studies that promote less sweeping claims, but describe global networks of commerce in which the Jews played a crucial role throughout the modern era. Thus, Sarah Abraveya Stein, in her 2012 book “Plumes: Ostrich Feathers, Jews and a Lost World of Global Commerce,” tells the story of the Jewish trade in ostrich feathers and other luxury items, which flourished from the 1880s until World War I. She maintains that in these and other networks, the Jews “functioned as the glue that bound together a global market.” Historian Francesca Trivellato has written about the role played by Sephardi Jews in international commerce during the 17th and 18th centuries, and Cornelia Aust, in her forthcoming “The Jewish Economic Elite,” traces the role of Ashkenazi Jews in this story.
    These works are in the forefront of the study of Jewish history, but the Israeli educational system would rather focus on other aspects of the history of the Jewish people, even though, for example, the influence exerted by the Rothschild family on Jewish history was certainly greater than that of the writings of philosopher Franz Rosenzweig, or even Maimonides.
    And by the way, these themes sometimes become intertwined. Both Isaac Abarbanel and Moses Mendelssohn were philosophers and financiers both. Baron Walter Rothschild was not only a banker, but also a zoologist, who classified more than 150 species of insects and owned 300,000 stuffed birds. Apparently, you don’t always have to make a choice. https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/the-link-between-jews-and-money-is-no-longer-taboo-1.5822834

    Hopefully they will soon admit the roles they played in destroying Germany, Arab and the roles they are playing against Iran . Hopefully they will share the story of the emotional experiences and monetary loots they extracted from US with future generations.
    , @John Gruskos
    The Israelis can make up their own minds about the best interests of their own country, but the best interests of America would be best served by the following actions:

    1. Bring home all military personnel currently stationed overseas.
    2. End all economic sanctions, including sanctions against Iran.
    3. End all foreign aid, including aid to Israel.
    4. Expel Turkey from NATO, invite Russia to join.
    5. Cease all arms sales to nations whose military actions indirectly benefit Al-Qaeda and ISIS. (For instance, Israeli, Saudi and Turkish bombing of Syria, Yemen and the Kurds)
    6. An immigration moratorium. This would protect our homeland from the radical Sunni terrorists who target us, without spending a single dollar or shedding a single drop of blood.
    7. End all US government operations designed to harm European nationalist movements.
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  2. Ace says:

    The idea that Israel is a U.S. ally is ludicrous.. Israel is a parasite that cannot exist without billions every damn year for its military. Pollard and the USS Liberty show Israel is an enemy yet the U.S. grovels at its feet.

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    I have a Jewish friend who often trots out that line about "how can we abandon our only real ally in the Middle East?" I always stop him politely and say, "[name], I love ya, man, but I'm not just going to assume that Israel is our ally just because you keep saying it. Show me how they have been an ally. Show me how they have proven their loyalty to us or their trustworthiness. And show me what they have that we need -- for example, they have a tiny territory and zero oil, gas, or minerals available for export, as far as I know."

    I just tell him "You place a high priority on helping Israel, which makes sense as a Jew. I'm not Jewish, so I wish Israel the best but I'm much more concerned with helping Americans and the USA. If that accords with Israel's interests sometimes, great; if it doesn't accord with Israel's interests or preferences, that's too bad."

    Yeah, we're still friends. Good thing we share a love of baseball and a disgust for the "Multicultural" and "Transgendered" New Left.

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  3. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Why is Israel allowed to keep Golan Heights?

    Israeli occupies Syrian territory and then accuses Iran of violating Israeli air space?

    What chutzpah.

    If you got the power, you can say black is white and get away with it.

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  4. All of these wars are a proxy for the real war: Sunni vs Shiite. Israel is a Saudi ally, which is Sunni. Iran is Shiite. Israel is rather unfortunately located.

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    • Replies: @jconsley
    If Sunni vs. Shiite is the real war, Israel has done everything to start and continue such a war. Before Israel's establishment in 1948, there was no war between these two religious groups. Moreover, there have been organized efforts by the Israelis to start wars and fund groups for the purpose of instigating religious differences. For many years, Shiite and Sunni have intermarried and lived together peacefully. Only since Israel has entered the equation, has there been trouble!
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Almost but not quite. Turks are Sunni and Kurds are Sunni fighting each other.
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  5. yurivku says:
    @whyamihere
    I'm all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria. Iran is Syria is more of a threat to Israel than ISIS because Iran is a nation state with the capability to make advance missiles and weaponry and has allies like Russia and China from whom it can purchase missiles.

    Whether people like it or not, it seems confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran in Syria is inevitable. I hope its more severe next time. They may even hit Syrian defense headquarters in Damascus.

    Pat seems to suggest that Iran is telling the truth here. Well, Pat, there's video proof of the Iranian drone flying into Israeli territory. Funny how the people on this website seem to paint Israel as the malevolent force and Iran as a trustworthy, benevolent force in the region. All I get in response are snarky insults and am called "Hasbara boy."

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?

    Just because Russia is fine with US and EU military and missile bases right next to its borders.
    What else would be their intentions besides attacking Russia?

    Is it enough for you to understand?
    Or we have to bomb you?

    I know you answers, just try to invert it and use Russia instead of Israel and US instead of Iran.
    Stupid hypocritical bastards.

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    I do have to agree, Very logical.
    , @Twodees Partain
    Yuri, this whyamihere troll is always defending Israeli aggression. Here's one other possible answer (other than to attack Israel) to why Iran's government wants to build missile bases on Iranian soil:

    To be ready to defend Iranians from an Israeli attack. Israel is, historically, an aggressor nation. Israel has been trying, very openly, to get the US military to attack Iran for decades.

    Iranian government officials would be betraying their people to stop making defense preparations, since Iran is surrounded by enemies and is currently the object of US interference and regime change.
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  6. After doing everything in it’s power to get involved, the US being “sucked” in Syria’s war strikes me as being a rather poor choice of words.

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    After doing everything in it’s power to get involved, the US being “sucked” in Syria’s war strikes me as being a rather poor choice of words.
     
    please note Carroll that he said the "US", as opposed to the ZUS - which refers to the Israeli occupied part of our government and institutions.

    The people of the US are being suckered into these serial wars of aggression on Israel's (the ZUSA's) behalf.

    If the cowardly attack on the USS Liberty wasn't proof enough, then certainly the fact that Israel was behind 9/11 is all the proof we people of the US needs to know that 0ur real enemy in the Middle East is and has been Israel for decades now. So yes, we're being suckered into fighting and dying on behalf of our most loathsome (and treacherous and cowardly and murderous) enemy.

    The difference between the US and the ZUS could not be more stark. One is innocent and even moral and wants to do what's right and good. Whereas the other is a black-hearted, murderous fiend and traitor and deserves what's waiting for it at the end of a rope. ;)
    , @RobinG
    Agree. This misinforming title stopped me from reading. What's up with Pat? Who is his target audience? Does he think that "sucked" will entice them to read?
    , @Twodees Partain
    Yes, the title did read like another of Pat's puff pieces, but after reading it, the choice of words seems about right. After all, Israel has a lot of suction with the US, and also, Israel sucks.
    , @El Dato
    It's when you stick your dick into a glory hole and then get more than you bargained for.

    7 PSI or more!

    Anyway, this is going to end badly, with flag-draped caskets, moaning, teeth gnashing, finger-pointing, a political purge at home and everything.

    Or else the economic crash happens early and the US "bases" will be as deserted as a Chernobyl farmstead rather soonish.

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  7. @whyamihere
    I'm all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria. Iran is Syria is more of a threat to Israel than ISIS because Iran is a nation state with the capability to make advance missiles and weaponry and has allies like Russia and China from whom it can purchase missiles.

    Whether people like it or not, it seems confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran in Syria is inevitable. I hope its more severe next time. They may even hit Syrian defense headquarters in Damascus.

    Pat seems to suggest that Iran is telling the truth here. Well, Pat, there's video proof of the Iranian drone flying into Israeli territory. Funny how the people on this website seem to paint Israel as the malevolent force and Iran as a trustworthy, benevolent force in the region. All I get in response are snarky insults and am called "Hasbara boy."

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?

    Their obvious intent is preventing Israel from continually attacking it’s neighbors at will, which they’ve done since Israel was created in 1948, and while suffering no adverse consequences. But, thanks to Iran and Hezbollah (who cleaned Israel’s clock in 2006) those days are over. Get used to it.

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  8. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    As this piece makes clear, the interests of the US are the last thing being considered.

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  9. Renoman says:

    Just back away and let the lunatics blow each other to Hell, no one will miss any of them especially the Jews. The Jews seem to be the source of most of the Worlds misery with the Arabs making up the rest.

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  10. Randal says:
    @whyamihere
    I'm all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria. Iran is Syria is more of a threat to Israel than ISIS because Iran is a nation state with the capability to make advance missiles and weaponry and has allies like Russia and China from whom it can purchase missiles.

    Whether people like it or not, it seems confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran in Syria is inevitable. I hope its more severe next time. They may even hit Syrian defense headquarters in Damascus.

    Pat seems to suggest that Iran is telling the truth here. Well, Pat, there's video proof of the Iranian drone flying into Israeli territory. Funny how the people on this website seem to paint Israel as the malevolent force and Iran as a trustworthy, benevolent force in the region. All I get in response are snarky insults and am called "Hasbara boy."

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?

    I’m all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria

    Of course you are. But like all militarist hypocrites you’ll squeal like a two year old girl about “unprovoked aggression” if and when there were to be any retaliation against either Israel or its US enablers.

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?

    Their intention is to deter Israeli attacks, since Israel has an established track record of attacking Lebanon and engages in regular ongoing attacks on Syria.

    But you already know that. Unless you are just profoundly ignorant and stupid, rather than dishonest.

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  11. Rurik says:

    what would be the cost and what would be the prospects of fighting a new and wider war? What would victory look like?

    well Pat, as if you didn’t know.. victory would look like slaughtered, maimed and busted up Syrian, Russian, Iranian, Turkish and assorted American soldiers and others all taking their last breath so that Israel can steal the Golan Heights. Duh.

    What Trump must be made to understand, is that if he goes down that road to sell out America once again to the treacherous criminals in Tel Aviv, and wages a war between the ZUS vs. the entire planet’s nations committed to the Rule of Law, by killing Iranians and Syrians and Russians, who’re all acting in good faith to stomp out Obama’s ISIS, and restore Syrian’s sovereignty and return some semblance of order to the beleaguered people of Syria- finally after so many long years of Zionist treachery and bloodshed..

    that he won’t just have Turkey and Iraq and Russia and most of (the people of) Europe as an enemy

    but he’ll also have his former supporters as his most determined enemy of all.

    For not only will he be betraying America, and every known tenet of human decency and honor and good faith known to man..

    but he will also be betraying us. The Deplorables, who only voted for him because he was the anti-war pig/anti-Hillary candidate.

    If Trump gives Israel a blank check to drag the US into its wars of aggression in the region once again, then that will mean that Trump is just another whore of Zion, and an enemy to the people (and constitution and heritage and honor) of the United States of America, that he was elected to finally serve first and second, rather than dash our blood and treasure upon the rocks of eternal betrayals and death and misery in the service to all things criminal, murderous Israel.

    If Trump doesn’t stay out of that caldron of perfidy, treachery and murder, and sells us out once again, then he will become the biggest enemy this nation has. The most loathsome criminal traitor to this nation and it’s people that is alive on the planet.

    or..

    If Trump manifests that heroic statesman-like, America first brash independence of spirit, and tells the criminals and liars and thieves in Israel – that we will no longer fight their endless wars of aggression against their neighbors, and that if Israel wants to continue trying to steal her neighbor’s land, then they’re on their own.

    This moment had to come. We all knew that Israel will never leave well enough alone and never, ever allow peace. We all know Israel thrives on hatred and bloodshed and violence and treachery – like a vulture thrives on rotten flesh. By now, we all know their nature.

    But what about Donald J. Trump ?

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  12. Rurik says:
    @whyamihere
    I'm all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria. Iran is Syria is more of a threat to Israel than ISIS because Iran is a nation state with the capability to make advance missiles and weaponry and has allies like Russia and China from whom it can purchase missiles.

    Whether people like it or not, it seems confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran in Syria is inevitable. I hope its more severe next time. They may even hit Syrian defense headquarters in Damascus.

    Pat seems to suggest that Iran is telling the truth here. Well, Pat, there's video proof of the Iranian drone flying into Israeli territory. Funny how the people on this website seem to paint Israel as the malevolent force and Iran as a trustworthy, benevolent force in the region. All I get in response are snarky insults and am called "Hasbara boy."

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?

    the Iranian drone flying into Israeli territory.

    he said the Golan Heights fool

    the Golan Heights is Syrian territory, (Israel illegally occupying it and trying to steal it, notwithstanding).

    explain to me why Israel should be fine with….

    because Israel should be fine with waking up in the morning and not having US Marshals dragging the perpetrators of 9/11 out of the country by their ears, and renditioned to Gitmo where that place can finally be put to a good use. So as to get to the bottom of that singular act of treachery once and for all, and to ferret out all the traitors and murderers who committed that unspeakably heinous crime.

    I think everyday that US Marshals aren’t busting down the doors of those blood-stained bastards and hauling them away .. is a day that Israel should be more than fine with. No?

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  13. Rurik says:
    @Carroll Price
    After doing everything in it's power to get involved, the US being "sucked" in Syria's war strikes me as being a rather poor choice of words.

    After doing everything in it’s power to get involved, the US being “sucked” in Syria’s war strikes me as being a rather poor choice of words.

    please note Carroll that he said the “US”, as opposed to the ZUS – which refers to the Israeli occupied part of our government and institutions.

    The people of the US are being suckered into these serial wars of aggression on Israel’s (the ZUSA’s) behalf.

    If the cowardly attack on the USS Liberty wasn’t proof enough, then certainly the fact that Israel was behind 9/11 is all the proof we people of the US needs to know that 0ur real enemy in the Middle East is and has been Israel for decades now. So yes, we’re being suckered into fighting and dying on behalf of our most loathsome (and treacherous and cowardly and murderous) enemy.

    The difference between the US and the ZUS could not be more stark. One is innocent and even moral and wants to do what’s right and good. Whereas the other is a black-hearted, murderous fiend and traitor and deserves what’s waiting for it at the end of a rope. ;)

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  14. Rurik says:

    not good!

    http://www.businessinsider.com/a-us-jet-destroyed-a-russian-t-72-battle-tank-in-self-defense-in-syria-2018-2?r=UK&IR=T

    if Trump goes down this road, he is going without his former supporters

    the neocons are the enemy of the US republic, and if Trump is going to serve that master, then he is also an enemy to the US republic.

    For God’s sake, don’t do it

    Don’t lead us to WWIII so that some criminal Jewish supremacists can steal other people’s land.

    you won’t just be at war with Russia, you’ll be at war with every single person on this planet of good will who isn’t an evil little zio-rat.

    There are billions of us, and we’re ALL sick to death of endless zio-wars!!!

    you were elected specifically to stop the endless zio-wars, NOT to escalate them!

    If you serve the ziocons, then you are the enemy of America and are putting America last

    Fuck you Donald J. Trump. Fuck you.

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    Ever more diplomatically, Buchanan put it this way:

    What outcome would justify another U.S. war in a region where all the previous wars in this century have left us bleeding, bankrupt, divided and disillusioned?

    When he was running, Donald Trump seemed to understand this.
     
    Trump seems oblivious to the plans of those he has surrounded himself with. He thinks they are going to make him great, I suppose. If he continues into war with Iran, it is a complete betrayal of those who voted for him. I suspect that this next great war rollout will be part of the supernova of the dollar and America's economy as well. He is being played for a fool, as are we, but we haven't had an honest option in my lifetime.
    , @jacques sheete

    Fuck you Donald J. Trump. Fuck you.
     
    Donald J. trump is an old fool, and we all know what we say about old fools...

    He. like the war sow, is a clueless moron as well.
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    President.

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  16. RobinG says:
    @Carroll Price
    After doing everything in it's power to get involved, the US being "sucked" in Syria's war strikes me as being a rather poor choice of words.

    Agree. This misinforming title stopped me from reading. What’s up with Pat? Who is his target audience? Does he think that “sucked” will entice them to read?

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  17. Andrews J says:

    Mr. Buchanan uses the wrong verb in the headline.

    There is nothing ‘sucking’ America into a Syrian War. Not a thing. America’s interests would not be harmed if America simply recognized that it can’t invade another country and can’t try to overthrow another country.

    To use Pete Seeger’s old song ‘The Big Muddy” as a reference, another choice for a verb in Mr. Buchanan’s headline could be ‘wading’. Is America Wading into Syria’s War? After all, wading at least implies that its happening because of its own actions, which is the truth.

    In the future, when the propaganda horns blare at you, remember that America could have easily declared victory and gotten out in early 2018. America could have declared that ISIS is now defeated in Syria, and that America’s mission of fighting the terrorists is now over. Trump could even have had his big parade in celebration of this historic victory.

    In the future, you’ll certainly hear the arguments that say that America can not get out because of the losses already suffered. Those who die in the next few months will become sacred propaganda icons and we’ll be told that we must throw more money and more lives into Syria or else their losses will have been in vain. This is standard propaganda technique since at least the Vietnam War. When you hear it, just remember in your own unerased memory that in early 2018 ISIS was defeated and that America could have declared victory, gone home and had a parade.

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  18. peterAUS says:

    My 2 cents:

    Something does not add here.

    Sending a drone into an area controlled by IDF was …..weird. Why?
    Shooting down that drone by Apache was….weird. Why not with assets much better suited for it?
    And, the most important, finally responding to IAF attempt was…….weird. Why now and in such way?

    It feels as some fractions there wanted/want to provoke a conflict between Israel and Syria and its allies. Emphasize on “allies”.
    I…suspect……the main fraction is of Iranian origin.

    Maybe….some people in Iran simply believe that now is a good time to do that. The main goal to suck in Russia…not USA…in confrontation with Israel.

    Just a gut feeling.

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    Just a gut feeling.
     
    The "Iranian drone" incident was not the significant act here, if it even occurred. Such minor drone incursions happen all the time in the region, and shooting down a drone is no big deal.

    The significant act was the shooting down of an Israeli plane, and that was most likely enabled by Russian targeting and tracking assistance, or at the very least an agreement by the Russians that the Syrians could use their Russian-upgraded and enabled systems to attack Israeli planes on this occasion. The Russians would not have done that merely in response to an Israeli attack on an Iranian drone, however much the Iranians jumped up and down about it.

    If there's a game afoot here on the Syrian side then it's the Russians not the Iranians. Most likely a warning in response to the shooting down in Afrin, or a slap at over-aggressive Israeli air incursions into Syrian airspace.

    On the other hand, when you tie together recent Turkish and US aggression in Afrin/Idlib and more open US aggression around Deir Ezzor, with possibly increasingly aggressive Israeli air operations having triggered the shootdown, perhaps we get a picture of a game afoot from the other side.

    Hard to be sure of anything at the moment, but the Iranians are among the least likely to have been the initiators I think.

    , @Kolo
    BS
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Diarrhoea?
    , @anon
    It feels as some fractions there wanted/want to provoke a conflict between Israel and Syria and its allies. Emphasize on “allies”.
    I…suspect……the main fraction is of Iranian origin"

    Israel doesn't need to be drawn . It has drawn itself number of times into this conflicts . Russia hasn't responded . Russia doesn't need to be lured. The allures have not worked despite coming directly from the Israel without a 3 rd party alloying it with any Iranian flavors.

    Does n't Iran get the message? Are they that dumb? The Shia domination is the narrative that has its origin in 2007 .The word was minted to confuse what had already been decided by Cheney gang - i.e.- kill Syrians, kill Iranian , change the regime in Syria, destroy Iran and obliterate the vestige of any opposition to US 's arc of occupation. Through this prism of "Iran crescent", America is trying again to confuse the thinking of the rational observers - it is Iran's hegemonic plans. Nothing can be further from the truth.

    Iran's has simple plan and national obligations to protect itself,protect,Syria,protect Lebanon's status as a non vassal state ( not to let Lebanon become 1980's Iraq ) . Iran has read the history and has read Yoded Plan , PNAC, and has read the platform of the subsequent letter head organizations . It knows what is planned in 80s is not forgotten by US in 2000. Iran has not forgotten the US efforts to destabilize Iran through , fomenting of troubles , sanctions, assassinations,and military build up around its concerns. It has not forgotten the brazen lying Hillay Clinton's antics and reversal of the stated American position when Brazil Turkey secured the Iran's consent about nuclear fuel. Iran can't trust US.

    Iran has not threatened any country including Israel but has says it will react to any aggression directed against itself or it's allies .

    Iran has not forgotten the rationale offered by Pkletak at AEI that a nuclear Iran is not threat at all but its is a threat to the random free military activities and aggression of free choosing from and of Israel.

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  19. Rurik says:
    @RobinG
    Agree. This misinforming title stopped me from reading. What's up with Pat? Who is his target audience? Does he think that "sucked" will entice them to read?


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  20. Some dumb alien has taken over Pat’s corpse.

    intruded briefly into Israeli airspace over the Golan Heights,

    The Golan is occupied territory that belongs to Syria and recognized as such internationally.

    Israel seized upon this to send F-16s to strike the airfield whence the drone originated. Returning home, an F-16 was hit and crashed, unleashing the most devastating Israeli attack in decades on Syria. Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu says a dozen Syrian and Iranian bases and antiaircraft positions were struck.

    And yet, from most accounts from the region, the damage is minimal.

    If Tehran did, it would be an act of monumental stupidity. Not only did the drone bring devastating Israeli reprisals against Syria and embarrass Iran’s ally Russia, it brought attacks on Russian-provided and possibly Russian-manned air defenses.

    Pat seems to have lost his analytical capacities. Tehran may have supported it, but it was enacted by Syria, and it is brilliant.

    In my opinion, Syria deliberately sent the drone over its Golan Heights, fully anticipating that Israel would send F-16s their way. It was a baited trap, with SAMs on the ready to strike the encroaching aircraft, giving Israel a bloody nose. At least one F-16 was destroyed, and supposedly an F-15 was damaged, but returned to Israel to be repaired for “bird strike” like the previous F-35.

    Russia (hardly embarrassed!) came in on Syria’s side as expected and rebuffed Netanyahu’s pleas. There is no chance that Russia had not green-lighted this engagement or Syria couldn’t have done it.

    Israel then announced that it did not want to escalate. The Hez and Syria announced that future incursions into their airspace (including that of Lebanon) would be similarly repelled. Israel will now think twice about the unchallenged attacks of the past 6 years in Syrian territory from Lebanese airspace. Moreover, the reputation of Israel’s invincible air force has been tarnished. It also shows that Israeli command of the skies can no longer be taken for granted, and if there is to be a war (there is), it will require boots on the ground – and there, battle-hardened Syrian and Hezbollah forces would slaughter the IDF trained against stone-throwing Palestinian children a they did in 2006.

    Stupid? Hardly!

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  21. Randal says:
    @peterAUS
    My 2 cents:

    Something does not add here.

    Sending a drone into an area controlled by IDF was .....weird. Why?
    Shooting down that drone by Apache was....weird. Why not with assets much better suited for it?
    And, the most important, finally responding to IAF attempt was.......weird. Why now and in such way?

    It feels as some fractions there wanted/want to provoke a conflict between Israel and Syria and its allies. Emphasize on "allies".
    I...suspect......the main fraction is of Iranian origin.

    Maybe....some people in Iran simply believe that now is a good time to do that. The main goal to suck in Russia...not USA...in confrontation with Israel.

    Just a gut feeling.

    Just a gut feeling.

    The “Iranian drone” incident was not the significant act here, if it even occurred. Such minor drone incursions happen all the time in the region, and shooting down a drone is no big deal.

    The significant act was the shooting down of an Israeli plane, and that was most likely enabled by Russian targeting and tracking assistance, or at the very least an agreement by the Russians that the Syrians could use their Russian-upgraded and enabled systems to attack Israeli planes on this occasion. The Russians would not have done that merely in response to an Israeli attack on an Iranian drone, however much the Iranians jumped up and down about it.

    If there’s a game afoot here on the Syrian side then it’s the Russians not the Iranians. Most likely a warning in response to the shooting down in Afrin, or a slap at over-aggressive Israeli air incursions into Syrian airspace.

    On the other hand, when you tie together recent Turkish and US aggression in Afrin/Idlib and more open US aggression around Deir Ezzor, with possibly increasingly aggressive Israeli air operations having triggered the shootdown, perhaps we get a picture of a game afoot from the other side.

    Hard to be sure of anything at the moment, but the Iranians are among the least likely to have been the initiators I think.

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    Well, let's start from the top.

    The player with least interest to get another escalation, let alone front open there is Russia. And on top of it with Israel.
    So, I don't think that Russia had anything to do with this.

    The players that would want escalation are the usual suspects and Iran, in that order.
    The usual suspects for the usual reasons.
    Iran, well, "if there is going to be the war with them, why not here and now; here because it's far away from us and now because we could have Russia on our side. And most of Muslim world...whatever".

    The “Iranian drone” incident was not the significant act here, if it even occurred. Such minor drone incursions happen all the time in the region, and shooting down a drone is no big deal.
     
    It did happen.
    It's, usually, not a big deal. The thing is...it is now a big deal. Somebody made it a big deal.

    The significant act was the shooting down of an Israeli plane..
     
    Oh yes.

    Well, disagree with the rest (who and why).

    Agree with

    Hard to be sure of anything at the moment...
     
    Actually......the truly worrying thing could be that the game has changed.
    One name for it:FRACTIONS.

    Maybe we are pass the era where the major players made moves, "USA this", "Russia that"....."Iran this"..."Israel that".

    When one takes a look at the major player of this world, USA, who can really say WHO is puling a move? There is no "USA policy" anymore.
    So...why the same couldn't be applied to other players?

    Say, a fraction in Israel and Iran work on the same thing while other fractions don't.

    A MESS.

    With nuclear weapons that is.

    Just a thought.
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  22. densa says:
    @Rurik
    not good!

    http://www.businessinsider.com/a-us-jet-destroyed-a-russian-t-72-battle-tank-in-self-defense-in-syria-2018-2?r=UK&IR=T

    if Trump goes down this road, he is going without his former supporters

    the neocons are the enemy of the US republic, and if Trump is going to serve that master, then he is also an enemy to the US republic.

    For God's sake, don't do it

    Don't lead us to WWIII so that some criminal Jewish supremacists can steal other people's land.

    you won't just be at war with Russia, you'll be at war with every single person on this planet of good will who isn't an evil little zio-rat.

    There are billions of us, and we're ALL sick to death of endless zio-wars!!!

    you were elected specifically to stop the endless zio-wars, NOT to escalate them!

    If you serve the ziocons, then you are the enemy of America and are putting America last

    Fuck you Donald J. Trump. Fuck you.

    Ever more diplomatically, Buchanan put it this way:

    What outcome would justify another U.S. war in a region where all the previous wars in this century have left us bleeding, bankrupt, divided and disillusioned?

    When he was running, Donald Trump seemed to understand this.

    Trump seems oblivious to the plans of those he has surrounded himself with. He thinks they are going to make him great, I suppose. If he continues into war with Iran, it is a complete betrayal of those who voted for him. I suspect that this next great war rollout will be part of the supernova of the dollar and America’s economy as well. He is being played for a fool, as are we, but we haven’t had an honest option in my lifetime.

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    What outcome would justify another U.S. war in a region where all the previous wars in this century have left us bleeding, bankrupt, divided and disillusioned?

     

    In my opinion, Buchanan should stop with his cowardly tactic of framing strong statements like the one above) in the form of a question. But, he won't do it because Morning Joe and other Establishment pukes like him would be told to never again allow him on one of their shows. Leaving him, along with other brave souls like Phil Giraldi, Paul Craig Roberts & Ron Paul expelled and stranded in outer-darkness.
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  23. Kolo says:
    @Cloak And Dagger
    Some dumb alien has taken over Pat's corpse.

    intruded briefly into Israeli airspace over the Golan Heights,
     
    The Golan is occupied territory that belongs to Syria and recognized as such internationally.

    Israel seized upon this to send F-16s to strike the airfield whence the drone originated. Returning home, an F-16 was hit and crashed, unleashing the most devastating Israeli attack in decades on Syria. Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu says a dozen Syrian and Iranian bases and antiaircraft positions were struck.
     
    And yet, from most accounts from the region, the damage is minimal.

    If Tehran did, it would be an act of monumental stupidity. Not only did the drone bring devastating Israeli reprisals against Syria and embarrass Iran’s ally Russia, it brought attacks on Russian-provided and possibly Russian-manned air defenses.
     
    Pat seems to have lost his analytical capacities. Tehran may have supported it, but it was enacted by Syria, and it is brilliant.

    In my opinion, Syria deliberately sent the drone over its Golan Heights, fully anticipating that Israel would send F-16s their way. It was a baited trap, with SAMs on the ready to strike the encroaching aircraft, giving Israel a bloody nose. At least one F-16 was destroyed, and supposedly an F-15 was damaged, but returned to Israel to be repaired for "bird strike" like the previous F-35.

    Russia (hardly embarrassed!) came in on Syria's side as expected and rebuffed Netanyahu's pleas. There is no chance that Russia had not green-lighted this engagement or Syria couldn't have done it.

    Israel then announced that it did not want to escalate. The Hez and Syria announced that future incursions into their airspace (including that of Lebanon) would be similarly repelled. Israel will now think twice about the unchallenged attacks of the past 6 years in Syrian territory from Lebanese airspace. Moreover, the reputation of Israel's invincible air force has been tarnished. It also shows that Israeli command of the skies can no longer be taken for granted, and if there is to be a war (there is), it will require boots on the ground - and there, battle-hardened Syrian and Hezbollah forces would slaughter the IDF trained against stone-throwing Palestinian children a they did in 2006.

    Stupid? Hardly!

    Well said

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  24. Kolo says:
    @peterAUS
    My 2 cents:

    Something does not add here.

    Sending a drone into an area controlled by IDF was .....weird. Why?
    Shooting down that drone by Apache was....weird. Why not with assets much better suited for it?
    And, the most important, finally responding to IAF attempt was.......weird. Why now and in such way?

    It feels as some fractions there wanted/want to provoke a conflict between Israel and Syria and its allies. Emphasize on "allies".
    I...suspect......the main fraction is of Iranian origin.

    Maybe....some people in Iran simply believe that now is a good time to do that. The main goal to suck in Russia...not USA...in confrontation with Israel.

    Just a gut feeling.

    BS

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  25. Art says:

    Chagai Tzuriel, who heads the Israeli Ministry of Intelligence, echoed the FDD: “If you (Americans) are committed to countering Iran in the region, then you must do so in Syria — first.”

    Our orders have been cut.

    Every US general knows who is in charge – Israel!

    Every US general wants to be promoted – in order to be promoted, he must be pro-Israel.

    So, every US general is a traitor to America – END of STORY!

    Sad – but true.

    You can be sure that Mad Dog Mattis will escalate in Syria.

    You can be sure that AIPAC congress will escalate in Syria.

    The only person in DC that can say NO is Trump. (Of course Javanka says YES.)

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. Of course the American people say NO – but who are they?

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  26. Anyone who thinks Trump is going to favour the US over Israel is in for a nasty surprise. We can all agree that he was the better choice than Clinton but when it comes to Israel, they’re both equally bad. And sadly that’s the case for pretty much anyone on the horizon in either party.

    It’s going to take the election of a David Duke or Richard Spencer to finally have a president who truly puts America first.

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    D Duke or R Spencer?
    Hahahahahaha
    Dear or dear
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  27. peterAUS says:
    @Randal

    Just a gut feeling.
     
    The "Iranian drone" incident was not the significant act here, if it even occurred. Such minor drone incursions happen all the time in the region, and shooting down a drone is no big deal.

    The significant act was the shooting down of an Israeli plane, and that was most likely enabled by Russian targeting and tracking assistance, or at the very least an agreement by the Russians that the Syrians could use their Russian-upgraded and enabled systems to attack Israeli planes on this occasion. The Russians would not have done that merely in response to an Israeli attack on an Iranian drone, however much the Iranians jumped up and down about it.

    If there's a game afoot here on the Syrian side then it's the Russians not the Iranians. Most likely a warning in response to the shooting down in Afrin, or a slap at over-aggressive Israeli air incursions into Syrian airspace.

    On the other hand, when you tie together recent Turkish and US aggression in Afrin/Idlib and more open US aggression around Deir Ezzor, with possibly increasingly aggressive Israeli air operations having triggered the shootdown, perhaps we get a picture of a game afoot from the other side.

    Hard to be sure of anything at the moment, but the Iranians are among the least likely to have been the initiators I think.

    Well, let’s start from the top.

    The player with least interest to get another escalation, let alone front open there is Russia. And on top of it with Israel.
    So, I don’t think that Russia had anything to do with this.

    The players that would want escalation are the usual suspects and Iran, in that order.
    The usual suspects for the usual reasons.
    Iran, well, “if there is going to be the war with them, why not here and now; here because it’s far away from us and now because we could have Russia on our side. And most of Muslim world…whatever”.

    The “Iranian drone” incident was not the significant act here, if it even occurred. Such minor drone incursions happen all the time in the region, and shooting down a drone is no big deal.

    It did happen.
    It’s, usually, not a big deal. The thing is…it is now a big deal. Somebody made it a big deal.

    The significant act was the shooting down of an Israeli plane..

    Oh yes.

    Well, disagree with the rest (who and why).

    Agree with

    Hard to be sure of anything at the moment…

    Actually……the truly worrying thing could be that the game has changed.
    One name for it:FRACTIONS.

    Maybe we are pass the era where the major players made moves, “USA this”, “Russia that”…..”Iran this”…”Israel that”.

    When one takes a look at the major player of this world, USA, who can really say WHO is puling a move? There is no “USA policy” anymore.
    So…why the same couldn’t be applied to other players?

    Say, a fraction in Israel and Iran work on the same thing while other fractions don’t.

    A MESS.

    With nuclear weapons that is.

    Just a thought.

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    As I pointed out, it certainly isn't an Iranian initiative as you suggest, because the Iranians don't have the capability to enable the Syrian air defences in this way, and almost certainly aren't a party to the widely presumed deal between Syria and Russia that gives Russia a veto over Syria attacking Israeli planes in return for Russian assistance with their air defences.

    The significant event was that the Russians took the safety off for the Syrians, who presumably have been waiting to get a chance to shoot at Israel's regular aggressors for years.

    So the decision must have been Russian.

    It makes no sense for the Russians to change their established policy merely for in response to an attack on a drone straying over the border, so logically the decision represented either a change of policy or a one off "send a message" incident (or both) in response to some other event or change of circumstances.

    Your assertions about Russia not wanting to escalate are first, speculative, and second, make the unwarranted assumption that the purpose here could not have been something other than general escalation.

    Most likely imo, as I said, it's a direct response to the US provision of manpads to the Idlib jihadis, unless you can suggest some other motivation. It has been suggested (by Magnier, for instance) that it's a planned change of policy based upon Syria's increased general military readiness, but I'm not sure I buy that as Russian motivation.
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  28. dearieme says:

    “Is US Being Sucked Into Syria’s War?”

    I did laugh. It might be more accurate to lament Syria’s having been dragged into America’s war.

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  29. polskijoe says:

    The US is being suckered? No the MIC, Neocon-Zionists, and Liberals elites all want it to be in that region.

    The primary goal was to destroy and/or weaken Syria.
    At least since General Wesley Clark comment of 7 nations.

    The secondary goals are:
    a)Remove Assad, put in puppet
    or
    b)Keep presence in Syria and partition it.

    I imagine the partitioning, is to please Zio-Neocon and Imperialist ambitions.
    Now the Turks, Syrians-Russians-Iran, US-Israel will have their chunks of land.
    Create a lebenraum for the Jews.

    This will require destabilizing (via immigration, wars) countries like:
    Palestine, Lebabon, parts of Syria, Jordan, Iraq.

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  30. Kolo says:
    @Johnny Smoggins
    Anyone who thinks Trump is going to favour the US over Israel is in for a nasty surprise. We can all agree that he was the better choice than Clinton but when it comes to Israel, they're both equally bad. And sadly that's the case for pretty much anyone on the horizon in either party.

    It's going to take the election of a David Duke or Richard Spencer to finally have a president who truly puts America first.

    D Duke or R Spencer?
    Hahahahahaha
    Dear or dear

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  31. Randal says:
    @peterAUS
    Well, let's start from the top.

    The player with least interest to get another escalation, let alone front open there is Russia. And on top of it with Israel.
    So, I don't think that Russia had anything to do with this.

    The players that would want escalation are the usual suspects and Iran, in that order.
    The usual suspects for the usual reasons.
    Iran, well, "if there is going to be the war with them, why not here and now; here because it's far away from us and now because we could have Russia on our side. And most of Muslim world...whatever".

    The “Iranian drone” incident was not the significant act here, if it even occurred. Such minor drone incursions happen all the time in the region, and shooting down a drone is no big deal.
     
    It did happen.
    It's, usually, not a big deal. The thing is...it is now a big deal. Somebody made it a big deal.

    The significant act was the shooting down of an Israeli plane..
     
    Oh yes.

    Well, disagree with the rest (who and why).

    Agree with

    Hard to be sure of anything at the moment...
     
    Actually......the truly worrying thing could be that the game has changed.
    One name for it:FRACTIONS.

    Maybe we are pass the era where the major players made moves, "USA this", "Russia that"....."Iran this"..."Israel that".

    When one takes a look at the major player of this world, USA, who can really say WHO is puling a move? There is no "USA policy" anymore.
    So...why the same couldn't be applied to other players?

    Say, a fraction in Israel and Iran work on the same thing while other fractions don't.

    A MESS.

    With nuclear weapons that is.

    Just a thought.

    As I pointed out, it certainly isn’t an Iranian initiative as you suggest, because the Iranians don’t have the capability to enable the Syrian air defences in this way, and almost certainly aren’t a party to the widely presumed deal between Syria and Russia that gives Russia a veto over Syria attacking Israeli planes in return for Russian assistance with their air defences.

    The significant event was that the Russians took the safety off for the Syrians, who presumably have been waiting to get a chance to shoot at Israel’s regular aggressors for years.

    So the decision must have been Russian.

    It makes no sense for the Russians to change their established policy merely for in response to an attack on a drone straying over the border, so logically the decision represented either a change of policy or a one off “send a message” incident (or both) in response to some other event or change of circumstances.

    Your assertions about Russia not wanting to escalate are first, speculative, and second, make the unwarranted assumption that the purpose here could not have been something other than general escalation.

    Most likely imo, as I said, it’s a direct response to the US provision of manpads to the Idlib jihadis, unless you can suggest some other motivation. It has been suggested (by Magnier, for instance) that it’s a planned change of policy based upon Syria’s increased general military readiness, but I’m not sure I buy that as Russian motivation.

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    Most likely imo, as I said, it’s a direct response to the US provision of manpads to the Idlib jihadis, unless you can suggest some other motivation. It has been suggested (by Magnier, for instance) that it’s a planned change of policy based upon Syria’s increased general military readiness, but I’m not sure I buy that as Russian motivation.
     
    A third possible reason that has been put forward is that it was a response to Israel's regular air attack aggressions against Syria having escalated outside the bounds informally agreed with the Russians, and a choice having been made to give them a slap to remind them of the agreement (it might be this was the one Magnier suggested, now that I think about it).

    Anyway, the only way we will find out whether anything has changed is by seeing how far Israel's former regular acts of aggression resume once the dust has settled.
    , @peterAUS
    Ah….an Unz conversation and disagreement without name callings and ego trips….quite refreshing.

    As I pointed out, it certainly isn’t an Iranian initiative as you suggest, because the Iranians don’t have the capability to enable the Syrian air defences in this way, and almost certainly aren’t a party to the widely presumed deal between Syria and Russia that gives Russia a veto over Syria attacking Israeli planes in return for Russian assistance with their air defences.
     
    True.
    But……things in, say, not well organized countries, aren’t quite as people in organized countries would expect.
    Influence. Or, simple bribery.
    You are aware of black market of heavy weaponry between “mortal enemies” there?
    So…while Iranians do not have an organizational capability to enable Syrian air defences they do have influence and money to enable some key players in that system to do so. Or the top level. Or anyone, including Assad himself. At the moment.

    The significant event was that the Russians took the safety off for the Syrians, who presumably have been waiting to get a chance to shoot at Israel’s regular aggressors for years.
    So the decision must have been Russian.
     
    As I said, I am not quite sure about that. About all that actually. Russian control of all that and safety off/on thing. Not with Arabs ….no…..and especially not with all those fractions and shifting alliances there.
    Bottom line, Russians do not control all that. They actually don't control most of it. Nobody can control that actually. Not in sense it's controlled in organized countries, United Kingdom for example.

    It makes no sense for the Russians to change their established policy merely for in response to an attack on a drone straying over the border, so logically the decision represented either a change of policy or a one off “send a message” incident (or both) in response to some other event or change of circumstances.
     
    Logic and policy re Russia, sure; the same concepts with all those Arab/Iranian fractions and groups there…….no……..

    Your assertions about Russia not wanting to escalate are first, speculative, and second, make the unwarranted assumption that the purpose here could not have been something other than general escalation.
     
    Disagree.
    Russia definitely does not want escalation there, especially not with Israel. Hell no.
    They have enough problems without IDF with heavy US/West support going involved there. Quite enough.
    As for general escalation not necessarily. Just one step more towards heavy conflict with Israel there.
    Now...you tell me...if you were an Iranian top decision maker and you know that the conflict is coming would you do that?
    Initiate the war there and soon and not in, say, a year at Iranian borders/Hormuz/whatever.
    Or..all that dies down on Syria, Russia pulls most of forces back and then Israel goes against Hezbollah.
    Plenty of motivation for Iranian hawks there. Or realists if you will. And some Syrian fractions too.
    In any case all of them would want Russian help and support.

    Most likely imo, as I said, it’s a direct response to the US provision of manpads to the Idlib jihadis, unless you can suggest some other motivation.
     
    I can.
    Some fractions there want heavier Russian involvment there. Provoke a conflict to drag Russia in on their side.

    It has been suggested (by Magnier, for instance) that it’s a planned change of policy based upon Syria’s increased general military readiness, but I’m not sure I buy that as Russian motivation.
     
    I don’t buy any Russian motivation behind firing at IAF there. None whatsoever.
    I do buy a motivation by some fractions both in Syria and Iran to do so.

    Anyway, the only way we will find out whether anything has changed is by seeing how far Israel’s former regular acts of aggression resume once the dust has settled.
     
    Agree.
    My take:
    Israel got surprised by this. They are re-organizing as we speak.
    Next time it will get heavier. How heavy we'll see.
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  32. Randal says:
    @Randal
    As I pointed out, it certainly isn't an Iranian initiative as you suggest, because the Iranians don't have the capability to enable the Syrian air defences in this way, and almost certainly aren't a party to the widely presumed deal between Syria and Russia that gives Russia a veto over Syria attacking Israeli planes in return for Russian assistance with their air defences.

    The significant event was that the Russians took the safety off for the Syrians, who presumably have been waiting to get a chance to shoot at Israel's regular aggressors for years.

    So the decision must have been Russian.

    It makes no sense for the Russians to change their established policy merely for in response to an attack on a drone straying over the border, so logically the decision represented either a change of policy or a one off "send a message" incident (or both) in response to some other event or change of circumstances.

    Your assertions about Russia not wanting to escalate are first, speculative, and second, make the unwarranted assumption that the purpose here could not have been something other than general escalation.

    Most likely imo, as I said, it's a direct response to the US provision of manpads to the Idlib jihadis, unless you can suggest some other motivation. It has been suggested (by Magnier, for instance) that it's a planned change of policy based upon Syria's increased general military readiness, but I'm not sure I buy that as Russian motivation.

    Most likely imo, as I said, it’s a direct response to the US provision of manpads to the Idlib jihadis, unless you can suggest some other motivation. It has been suggested (by Magnier, for instance) that it’s a planned change of policy based upon Syria’s increased general military readiness, but I’m not sure I buy that as Russian motivation.

    A third possible reason that has been put forward is that it was a response to Israel’s regular air attack aggressions against Syria having escalated outside the bounds informally agreed with the Russians, and a choice having been made to give them a slap to remind them of the agreement (it might be this was the one Magnier suggested, now that I think about it).

    Anyway, the only way we will find out whether anything has changed is by seeing how far Israel’s former regular acts of aggression resume once the dust has settled.

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  33. Currahee says:
    @whyamihere
    I'm all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria. Iran is Syria is more of a threat to Israel than ISIS because Iran is a nation state with the capability to make advance missiles and weaponry and has allies like Russia and China from whom it can purchase missiles.

    Whether people like it or not, it seems confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran in Syria is inevitable. I hope its more severe next time. They may even hit Syrian defense headquarters in Damascus.

    Pat seems to suggest that Iran is telling the truth here. Well, Pat, there's video proof of the Iranian drone flying into Israeli territory. Funny how the people on this website seem to paint Israel as the malevolent force and Iran as a trustworthy, benevolent force in the region. All I get in response are snarky insults and am called "Hasbara boy."

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?

    Hasbara boy

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  34. peterAUS says:
    @Randal
    As I pointed out, it certainly isn't an Iranian initiative as you suggest, because the Iranians don't have the capability to enable the Syrian air defences in this way, and almost certainly aren't a party to the widely presumed deal between Syria and Russia that gives Russia a veto over Syria attacking Israeli planes in return for Russian assistance with their air defences.

    The significant event was that the Russians took the safety off for the Syrians, who presumably have been waiting to get a chance to shoot at Israel's regular aggressors for years.

    So the decision must have been Russian.

    It makes no sense for the Russians to change their established policy merely for in response to an attack on a drone straying over the border, so logically the decision represented either a change of policy or a one off "send a message" incident (or both) in response to some other event or change of circumstances.

    Your assertions about Russia not wanting to escalate are first, speculative, and second, make the unwarranted assumption that the purpose here could not have been something other than general escalation.

    Most likely imo, as I said, it's a direct response to the US provision of manpads to the Idlib jihadis, unless you can suggest some other motivation. It has been suggested (by Magnier, for instance) that it's a planned change of policy based upon Syria's increased general military readiness, but I'm not sure I buy that as Russian motivation.

    Ah….an Unz conversation and disagreement without name callings and ego trips….quite refreshing.

    As I pointed out, it certainly isn’t an Iranian initiative as you suggest, because the Iranians don’t have the capability to enable the Syrian air defences in this way, and almost certainly aren’t a party to the widely presumed deal between Syria and Russia that gives Russia a veto over Syria attacking Israeli planes in return for Russian assistance with their air defences.

    True.
    But……things in, say, not well organized countries, aren’t quite as people in organized countries would expect.
    Influence. Or, simple bribery.
    You are aware of black market of heavy weaponry between “mortal enemies” there?
    So…while Iranians do not have an organizational capability to enable Syrian air defences they do have influence and money to enable some key players in that system to do so. Or the top level. Or anyone, including Assad himself. At the moment.

    The significant event was that the Russians took the safety off for the Syrians, who presumably have been waiting to get a chance to shoot at Israel’s regular aggressors for years.
    So the decision must have been Russian.

    As I said, I am not quite sure about that. About all that actually. Russian control of all that and safety off/on thing. Not with Arabs ….no…..and especially not with all those fractions and shifting alliances there.
    Bottom line, Russians do not control all that. They actually don’t control most of it. Nobody can control that actually. Not in sense it’s controlled in organized countries, United Kingdom for example.

    It makes no sense for the Russians to change their established policy merely for in response to an attack on a drone straying over the border, so logically the decision represented either a change of policy or a one off “send a message” incident (or both) in response to some other event or change of circumstances.

    Logic and policy re Russia, sure; the same concepts with all those Arab/Iranian fractions and groups there…….no……..

    Your assertions about Russia not wanting to escalate are first, speculative, and second, make the unwarranted assumption that the purpose here could not have been something other than general escalation.

    Disagree.
    Russia definitely does not want escalation there, especially not with Israel. Hell no.
    They have enough problems without IDF with heavy US/West support going involved there. Quite enough.
    As for general escalation not necessarily. Just one step more towards heavy conflict with Israel there.
    Now…you tell me…if you were an Iranian top decision maker and you know that the conflict is coming would you do that?
    Initiate the war there and soon and not in, say, a year at Iranian borders/Hormuz/whatever.
    Or..all that dies down on Syria, Russia pulls most of forces back and then Israel goes against Hezbollah.
    Plenty of motivation for Iranian hawks there. Or realists if you will. And some Syrian fractions too.
    In any case all of them would want Russian help and support.

    Most likely imo, as I said, it’s a direct response to the US provision of manpads to the Idlib jihadis, unless you can suggest some other motivation.

    I can.
    Some fractions there want heavier Russian involvment there. Provoke a conflict to drag Russia in on their side.

    It has been suggested (by Magnier, for instance) that it’s a planned change of policy based upon Syria’s increased general military readiness, but I’m not sure I buy that as Russian motivation.

    I don’t buy any Russian motivation behind firing at IAF there. None whatsoever.
    I do buy a motivation by some fractions both in Syria and Iran to do so.

    Anyway, the only way we will find out whether anything has changed is by seeing how far Israel’s former regular acts of aggression resume once the dust has settled.

    Agree.
    My take:
    Israel got surprised by this. They are re-organizing as we speak.
    Next time it will get heavier. How heavy we’ll see.

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  35. @whyamihere
    I'm all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria. Iran is Syria is more of a threat to Israel than ISIS because Iran is a nation state with the capability to make advance missiles and weaponry and has allies like Russia and China from whom it can purchase missiles.

    Whether people like it or not, it seems confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran in Syria is inevitable. I hope its more severe next time. They may even hit Syrian defense headquarters in Damascus.

    Pat seems to suggest that Iran is telling the truth here. Well, Pat, there's video proof of the Iranian drone flying into Israeli territory. Funny how the people on this website seem to paint Israel as the malevolent force and Iran as a trustworthy, benevolent force in the region. All I get in response are snarky insults and am called "Hasbara boy."

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?

    How much does Netenyahoo pay you to sit in the basement of the Tel Aviv Synagogue with your pants down to your ankles posting such bull? Explain the Oded Yinon plan to us since you know everything..huh troll? How many sheckles you get for that ?

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  36. @whyamihere
    I'm all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria. Iran is Syria is more of a threat to Israel than ISIS because Iran is a nation state with the capability to make advance missiles and weaponry and has allies like Russia and China from whom it can purchase missiles.

    Whether people like it or not, it seems confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran in Syria is inevitable. I hope its more severe next time. They may even hit Syrian defense headquarters in Damascus.

    Pat seems to suggest that Iran is telling the truth here. Well, Pat, there's video proof of the Iranian drone flying into Israeli territory. Funny how the people on this website seem to paint Israel as the malevolent force and Iran as a trustworthy, benevolent force in the region. All I get in response are snarky insults and am called "Hasbara boy."

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?

    Why are you still here? Shouldn’t you be down at the recruiting office? Nah, you’re not about to go into harm’s way when you can stand on the sidelines and shake the pompoms for war.

    I’ll bet you were a cheerleader in college like your hero GW Bush.

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  37. @Carroll Price
    After doing everything in it's power to get involved, the US being "sucked" in Syria's war strikes me as being a rather poor choice of words.

    Yes, the title did read like another of Pat’s puff pieces, but after reading it, the choice of words seems about right. After all, Israel has a lot of suction with the US, and also, Israel sucks.

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    You bring up a valid point, but since Buchanan and other informed individuals like him know it's Israel doing the sucking, he should have balls enough to come out and say so.
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  38. From the gitgo and with star-spangled clueless incompetence, we’ve been playing arthritic puppeteer in a war of aggression at the behest of Israel. It’s just the latest set of orders we’ve been cut.

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  39. “And now that the rebels have been defeated and the civil war is almost over……”

    Why would you say such a thing Pat. Are you merely stupid? The “rebels” have been outside invaders in the employ of the U.S., Israel, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. But of course you know that.

    You should get on the phone to Paul Craig Roberts. Ask him where he finds the courage to tell the truth.

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  40. KenH says:

    Is this the same Pat Buchanan that said just a few weeks ago that peace and calm was returning to Syria? He should have known better that Israel, (((American neocons))) and their goy wonders like Rex Tillerson, James Mattis and the insufferable Nimrata Haley would not tolerate a state of quiet with Assad remaining in control over much of Syria.

    If we get sucked into a wider conflict it’s because a) we have no authority to have a military presence inside Syria and b) we are trying to provoke Assad and/or Iran into doing something against us that can then be used as a propaganda coup to stampede the nation into supporting a regime change war.

    Trump could put an end to this but his loyalty to Israel and the Jewish people obviously trumps his campaign promises to the deplorables and MAGA agenda. As a result he’s lost my support for good. Even though I detest Mitten Romney it looks like he may have been correct when he said that Trump was a fraud and phony.

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    As a result he’s lost my support for good.
     
    Patience KenH. The chubby dame has yet to croon. All is illusory until the curtain drops. It's not over till its over.
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  41. @KenH
    Is this the same Pat Buchanan that said just a few weeks ago that peace and calm was returning to Syria? He should have known better that Israel, (((American neocons))) and their goy wonders like Rex Tillerson, James Mattis and the insufferable Nimrata Haley would not tolerate a state of quiet with Assad remaining in control over much of Syria.

    If we get sucked into a wider conflict it's because a) we have no authority to have a military presence inside Syria and b) we are trying to provoke Assad and/or Iran into doing something against us that can then be used as a propaganda coup to stampede the nation into supporting a regime change war.

    Trump could put an end to this but his loyalty to Israel and the Jewish people obviously trumps his campaign promises to the deplorables and MAGA agenda. As a result he's lost my support for good. Even though I detest Mitten Romney it looks like he may have been correct when he said that Trump was a fraud and phony.

    As a result he’s lost my support for good.

    Patience KenH. The chubby dame has yet to croon. All is illusory until the curtain drops. It’s not over till its over.

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  42. @peterAUS
    My 2 cents:

    Something does not add here.

    Sending a drone into an area controlled by IDF was .....weird. Why?
    Shooting down that drone by Apache was....weird. Why not with assets much better suited for it?
    And, the most important, finally responding to IAF attempt was.......weird. Why now and in such way?

    It feels as some fractions there wanted/want to provoke a conflict between Israel and Syria and its allies. Emphasize on "allies".
    I...suspect......the main fraction is of Iranian origin.

    Maybe....some people in Iran simply believe that now is a good time to do that. The main goal to suck in Russia...not USA...in confrontation with Israel.

    Just a gut feeling.

    Diarrhoea?

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  43. @peterAUS
    Well, let's start from the top.

    The player with least interest to get another escalation, let alone front open there is Russia. And on top of it with Israel.
    So, I don't think that Russia had anything to do with this.

    The players that would want escalation are the usual suspects and Iran, in that order.
    The usual suspects for the usual reasons.
    Iran, well, "if there is going to be the war with them, why not here and now; here because it's far away from us and now because we could have Russia on our side. And most of Muslim world...whatever".

    The “Iranian drone” incident was not the significant act here, if it even occurred. Such minor drone incursions happen all the time in the region, and shooting down a drone is no big deal.
     
    It did happen.
    It's, usually, not a big deal. The thing is...it is now a big deal. Somebody made it a big deal.

    The significant act was the shooting down of an Israeli plane..
     
    Oh yes.

    Well, disagree with the rest (who and why).

    Agree with

    Hard to be sure of anything at the moment...
     
    Actually......the truly worrying thing could be that the game has changed.
    One name for it:FRACTIONS.

    Maybe we are pass the era where the major players made moves, "USA this", "Russia that"....."Iran this"..."Israel that".

    When one takes a look at the major player of this world, USA, who can really say WHO is puling a move? There is no "USA policy" anymore.
    So...why the same couldn't be applied to other players?

    Say, a fraction in Israel and Iran work on the same thing while other fractions don't.

    A MESS.

    With nuclear weapons that is.

    Just a thought.

    A thought or a brain-fart? Very risky considering the diarrhoea

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  44. Wally says:
    @whyamihere
    I'm all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria. Iran is Syria is more of a threat to Israel than ISIS because Iran is a nation state with the capability to make advance missiles and weaponry and has allies like Russia and China from whom it can purchase missiles.

    Whether people like it or not, it seems confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran in Syria is inevitable. I hope its more severe next time. They may even hit Syrian defense headquarters in Damascus.

    Pat seems to suggest that Iran is telling the truth here. Well, Pat, there's video proof of the Iranian drone flying into Israeli territory. Funny how the people on this website seem to paint Israel as the malevolent force and Iran as a trustworthy, benevolent force in the region. All I get in response are snarky insults and am called "Hasbara boy."

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?

    “I’m all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria.”

    As long as US taxpayers pay for it, as long as it is largely the US who is actually doing it.

    “That shitty little country” wouldn’t last month without US taxpayers cash.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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  45. The drone incidents were staged by the Zionist regime to get the US doing the dirty work for the Israelis. Putin and his allies shouldn’t let the US occupier and aggressor get away with killing deliberately 100 Syrian soldiers. Perhaps the US occupation forces need another lesson like 1983 in Lebanon to leave the country. Trump has lost control of his military. A military junta is currently running the US government that is eager to drag the US into further wars for the sake of the Zionist regime.

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  46. @whyamihere
    I'm all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria. Iran is Syria is more of a threat to Israel than ISIS because Iran is a nation state with the capability to make advance missiles and weaponry and has allies like Russia and China from whom it can purchase missiles.

    Whether people like it or not, it seems confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran in Syria is inevitable. I hope its more severe next time. They may even hit Syrian defense headquarters in Damascus.

    Pat seems to suggest that Iran is telling the truth here. Well, Pat, there's video proof of the Iranian drone flying into Israeli territory. Funny how the people on this website seem to paint Israel as the malevolent force and Iran as a trustworthy, benevolent force in the region. All I get in response are snarky insults and am called "Hasbara boy."

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?

    All I get in response are snarky insults and am called “Hasbara boy.”

    Aww, now ain’t dat tender? You must be another “chosen” ‘victim.”

    BTW, given your whining, what ARE you doing here? Who forced you here anyway?

    Now, go get your diaper changed; you got “threats” to deal with.

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  47. @Rurik
    not good!

    http://www.businessinsider.com/a-us-jet-destroyed-a-russian-t-72-battle-tank-in-self-defense-in-syria-2018-2?r=UK&IR=T

    if Trump goes down this road, he is going without his former supporters

    the neocons are the enemy of the US republic, and if Trump is going to serve that master, then he is also an enemy to the US republic.

    For God's sake, don't do it

    Don't lead us to WWIII so that some criminal Jewish supremacists can steal other people's land.

    you won't just be at war with Russia, you'll be at war with every single person on this planet of good will who isn't an evil little zio-rat.

    There are billions of us, and we're ALL sick to death of endless zio-wars!!!

    you were elected specifically to stop the endless zio-wars, NOT to escalate them!

    If you serve the ziocons, then you are the enemy of America and are putting America last

    Fuck you Donald J. Trump. Fuck you.

    Fuck you Donald J. Trump. Fuck you.

    Donald J. trump is an old fool, and we all know what we say about old fools…

    He. like the war sow, is a clueless moron as well.

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  48. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS
    My 2 cents:

    Something does not add here.

    Sending a drone into an area controlled by IDF was .....weird. Why?
    Shooting down that drone by Apache was....weird. Why not with assets much better suited for it?
    And, the most important, finally responding to IAF attempt was.......weird. Why now and in such way?

    It feels as some fractions there wanted/want to provoke a conflict between Israel and Syria and its allies. Emphasize on "allies".
    I...suspect......the main fraction is of Iranian origin.

    Maybe....some people in Iran simply believe that now is a good time to do that. The main goal to suck in Russia...not USA...in confrontation with Israel.

    Just a gut feeling.

    It feels as some fractions there wanted/want to provoke a conflict between Israel and Syria and its allies. Emphasize on “allies”.
    I…suspect……the main fraction is of Iranian origin”

    Israel doesn’t need to be drawn . It has drawn itself number of times into this conflicts . Russia hasn’t responded . Russia doesn’t need to be lured. The allures have not worked despite coming directly from the Israel without a 3 rd party alloying it with any Iranian flavors.

    Does n’t Iran get the message? Are they that dumb? The Shia domination is the narrative that has its origin in 2007 .The word was minted to confuse what had already been decided by Cheney gang – i.e.- kill Syrians, kill Iranian , change the regime in Syria, destroy Iran and obliterate the vestige of any opposition to US ‘s arc of occupation. Through this prism of “Iran crescent”, America is trying again to confuse the thinking of the rational observers – it is Iran’s hegemonic plans. Nothing can be further from the truth.

    Iran’s has simple plan and national obligations to protect itself,protect,Syria,protect Lebanon’s status as a non vassal state ( not to let Lebanon become 1980′s Iraq ) . Iran has read the history and has read Yoded Plan , PNAC, and has read the platform of the subsequent letter head organizations . It knows what is planned in 80s is not forgotten by US in 2000. Iran has not forgotten the US efforts to destabilize Iran through , fomenting of troubles , sanctions, assassinations,and military build up around its concerns. It has not forgotten the brazen lying Hillay Clinton’s antics and reversal of the stated American position when Brazil Turkey secured the Iran’s consent about nuclear fuel. Iran can’t trust US.

    Iran has not threatened any country including Israel but has says it will react to any aggression directed against itself or it’s allies .

    Iran has not forgotten the rationale offered by Pkletak at AEI that a nuclear Iran is not threat at all but its is a threat to the random free military activities and aggression of free choosing from and of Israel.

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  49. jconsley says:
    @Dave from Oz
    All of these wars are a proxy for the real war: Sunni vs Shiite. Israel is a Saudi ally, which is Sunni. Iran is Shiite. Israel is rather unfortunately located.

    If Sunni vs. Shiite is the real war, Israel has done everything to start and continue such a war. Before Israel’s establishment in 1948, there was no war between these two religious groups. Moreover, there have been organized efforts by the Israelis to start wars and fund groups for the purpose of instigating religious differences. For many years, Shiite and Sunni have intermarried and lived together peacefully. Only since Israel has entered the equation, has there been trouble!

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    Well said, JC, you beat me to it. Enough of this "poor Israel, they're stuck in a tough neighborhood." They've done as much to make the area miserable and violent and brutal as anyone, including their efforts to this day to incite Sunnis and Shias to kill each other (and to help both of them kill or drive out Christians too, as with their apparent help of ISIS).
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  50. @densa
    Ever more diplomatically, Buchanan put it this way:

    What outcome would justify another U.S. war in a region where all the previous wars in this century have left us bleeding, bankrupt, divided and disillusioned?

    When he was running, Donald Trump seemed to understand this.
     
    Trump seems oblivious to the plans of those he has surrounded himself with. He thinks they are going to make him great, I suppose. If he continues into war with Iran, it is a complete betrayal of those who voted for him. I suspect that this next great war rollout will be part of the supernova of the dollar and America's economy as well. He is being played for a fool, as are we, but we haven't had an honest option in my lifetime.

    What outcome would justify another U.S. war in a region where all the previous wars in this century have left us bleeding, bankrupt, divided and disillusioned?

    In my opinion, Buchanan should stop with his cowardly tactic of framing strong statements like the one above) in the form of a question. But, he won’t do it because Morning Joe and other Establishment pukes like him would be told to never again allow him on one of their shows. Leaving him, along with other brave souls like Phil Giraldi, Paul Craig Roberts & Ron Paul expelled and stranded in outer-darkness.

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  51. @Twodees Partain
    Yes, the title did read like another of Pat's puff pieces, but after reading it, the choice of words seems about right. After all, Israel has a lot of suction with the US, and also, Israel sucks.

    You bring up a valid point, but since Buchanan and other informed individuals like him know it’s Israel doing the sucking, he should have balls enough to come out and say so.

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    If you've been watching Pat for the past 25 years, then you already know that balls is something he's never been burdened with, and he's too old to grow any now. Pat's relationship with the GOP is like that of a battered wife who will never run away. That theme runs through everything he writes.
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  52. Monica says:

    I love the way the Israeli and US military trolls have absolute hatred at the idea of sovereign countries being independent and allowed to make their own decisions.

    For instance, the trolls ask why Israel should permit Iranian troops and/or bases in Syria?

    The answer is, because its none of their business. Despite the best interests of the US and Israeli neocons and the governments they “advise”, Syria is still a sovereign and independent country. Thus, Syria is allowed to invite anyone into their country that they want to invite. Syria has invited the Iranians, and Israel does not get to say squat about that.

    The only exception to this that I can think of is that UNSC resolutions against terrorists like Al-Qaeda and ISIS forbid a country actively hosting those organizations. I think.

    And yes, Al-Qaeda and ISIS exist in Syria. But the Syrian government, along with their allies are the very forces that have been fighting Al-Qaeda and ISIS on Syrian territory. The US, Qatar and KSA and the other gulf states had a history of arming and supplying these very terrorists. Meanwhile, there are persistant rumors of ISIS forces getting medical attention in Israel, and most maps of who controls what in Syria show an ISIS enclave conveniently next to Israel’s occupied territory in the Golan Heights.

    Also, note that the Iranian presence inside Syria is a relatively recent one, which has only occurred in the last two years. In fact, it was the US, Qatar,KSA alliance attempts to overthrow the sovereign government of Syria that led to the Syrian government inviting the Iranians to come help keep the terrorists from controlling Syria.

    So, the only reason that Iran is in Syria right now is because of the attempts to used armed forces to overthrow the government of Syria.

    And to repeat, since Syria is a sovereign nation it has every right in the world to invite the Iranian forces onto its territory. Israel’s opinion of this does not matter.

    Perhaps Israel should think that it was perhaps happier with the status quo that had existed for decades before all the Friends of Israel started trying to overthrow the government of Syria. Perhaps Israel should have spoken up and loudly opposed the illegal overthrow of a government in the region? In both cases, there were no Iranian troops in Israel.

    In fact, the whole made-up idea of Shite Crescent from Iran to Lebanon has been entirely created by US neocons closely allied with Israel or by Israel itself. Israel played its part in the invasions of Lebanon that led to the rise of Hezbollah. The US neocons by attacking first Iraq and then Syria and creating the conditions for Iran to gain much greater influence in both countries.

    Sadly, what’s really going on is Netanyahoo’s equivalent of Clinton’s blue-dress bombings. Netanyahoo is about to be indicted for his massive corruption, and Netanyahoo badly needs a war to try to keep his hiney out of prison.

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  53. MEexpert says:
    @whyamihere
    I'm all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria. Iran is Syria is more of a threat to Israel than ISIS because Iran is a nation state with the capability to make advance missiles and weaponry and has allies like Russia and China from whom it can purchase missiles.

    Whether people like it or not, it seems confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran in Syria is inevitable. I hope its more severe next time. They may even hit Syrian defense headquarters in Damascus.

    Pat seems to suggest that Iran is telling the truth here. Well, Pat, there's video proof of the Iranian drone flying into Israeli territory. Funny how the people on this website seem to paint Israel as the malevolent force and Iran as a trustworthy, benevolent force in the region. All I get in response are snarky insults and am called "Hasbara boy."

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?

    Why are you here?

    I’m all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria.

    I am all for any country bombing or droning those parasites, Netanyahu and MbS, off the map of the Middle East.

    Iran is Syria is more of a threat to Israel than ISIS because Iran is a nation state with the capability to make advance missiles and weaponry and has allies like Russia and China from whom it can purchase missiles.

    With almost 300 nuclear weapons, Israel is definitely a threat to peace and a destabilizing force in the Middle East, and has allies like the US and the UK from whom it gets economic and military handouts.

    Whether people like it or not, it seems confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran in Syria is inevitable. I hope its more severe next time. They may even hit Syrian defense headquarters in Damascus.

    I hope there is a confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah so that Hezbollah can teach Israel a lesson once for all. The problem is that Israel’s poodle (the US) will come running to help its master. Without the US help, Israeli “highly trained and armed” military is no match for the volunteer Resistance force of Hezbollah. This time Hezbollah will hit Tel Aviv, you can bet on it.

    Pat seems to suggest that Iran is telling the truth here.

    How dare he? Pat knows that only Netanyahu tells the truth (wink wink). That is why Netanyahu is facing indictment in Israel. For your information, wherever you are, Iran has never lied and Netanyahu and Israel has never told the truth. It is a simple fact that everyone knows.

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?

    Can Mr or Miss “whyiamhere” intelligently explain to all of us why anyone in the Middle East should be fine with Israel maintaining an arsenal of 300 nuclear weapons, hundreds of modern aircraft and getting yearly military aid from the United States? What else could be Israel’s intentions besides taking land away from the Palestinians and attacking the neighboring countries, which it has done since its 1948.

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  54. @Ace
    The idea that Israel is a U.S. ally is ludicrous.. Israel is a parasite that cannot exist without billions every damn year for its military. Pollard and the USS Liberty show Israel is an enemy yet the U.S. grovels at its feet.

    I have a Jewish friend who often trots out that line about “how can we abandon our only real ally in the Middle East?” I always stop him politely and say, “[name], I love ya, man, but I’m not just going to assume that Israel is our ally just because you keep saying it. Show me how they have been an ally. Show me how they have proven their loyalty to us or their trustworthiness. And show me what they have that we need — for example, they have a tiny territory and zero oil, gas, or minerals available for export, as far as I know.”

    I just tell him “You place a high priority on helping Israel, which makes sense as a Jew. I’m not Jewish, so I wish Israel the best but I’m much more concerned with helping Americans and the USA. If that accords with Israel’s interests sometimes, great; if it doesn’t accord with Israel’s interests or preferences, that’s too bad.”

    Yeah, we’re still friends. Good thing we share a love of baseball and a disgust for the “Multicultural” and “Transgendered” New Left.

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  55. El Dato says:
    @Carroll Price
    After doing everything in it's power to get involved, the US being "sucked" in Syria's war strikes me as being a rather poor choice of words.

    It’s when you stick your dick into a glory hole and then get more than you bargained for.

    7 PSI or more!

    Anyway, this is going to end badly, with flag-draped caskets, moaning, teeth gnashing, finger-pointing, a political purge at home and everything.

    Or else the economic crash happens early and the US “bases” will be as deserted as a Chernobyl farmstead rather soonish.

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  56. @jconsley
    If Sunni vs. Shiite is the real war, Israel has done everything to start and continue such a war. Before Israel's establishment in 1948, there was no war between these two religious groups. Moreover, there have been organized efforts by the Israelis to start wars and fund groups for the purpose of instigating religious differences. For many years, Shiite and Sunni have intermarried and lived together peacefully. Only since Israel has entered the equation, has there been trouble!

    Well said, JC, you beat me to it. Enough of this “poor Israel, they’re stuck in a tough neighborhood.” They’ve done as much to make the area miserable and violent and brutal as anyone, including their efforts to this day to incite Sunnis and Shias to kill each other (and to help both of them kill or drive out Christians too, as with their apparent help of ISIS).

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  57. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “Vladimir Putin wants to be able to tell Russians that “Russia is back” as a superpower and that he’s the kingmaker in Syria — but he isn’t putting any Russian soldiers at risk. Instead, Putin is using Iran to provide ground forces and enlisting contractors, like those Cossacksfrom a private Russian company named Wagner, to fight and die — as dozens did the other day in a U.S. airstrike — on the ground.” NYT Thomas L. Friedman
    where was he – “Vladimir Putin wants to be able to tell Russians that “Russia is back” as a superpower and that he’s the kingmaker in Syria — but he isn’t putting any Russian soldiers at risk. Instead, Putin is using Iran to provide ground forces and enlisting contractors, like those Cossacksfrom a private Russian company named Wagner, to fight and die — as dozens did the other day in a U.S. airstrike — on the ground.” NYT Thomas L

    . Friedman- when DIA report was coming out ? where was he when McCain was taking selfie with head choppers ? Where was he all those years when Libya was burning in the CIA annex ? Where was he when IS was changing names to suit NYt’s liberal image? Where was he when the IS was airborne to different areas of ME?

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  58. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The Iranians and Hezbollah will most likely continue to prod and poke Israel, but not to such a degree that the Israelis do what they are capable of doing, which is to devastate every Hezbollah neighborhood in Lebanon and hit Iran’s homeland with rockets; —https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/opinion/syria-israel-most-dangerous.html Thomas L. Friedman

    Never has to say sorry for lying before never was held accountable by the employers or ethics committee for distortion and incitements. So the chances are very slim that anyone will see his subterfuge , obfuscation and attempts to conceal the destructive roles of Israel in precipitating the crisis.

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  59. T. U. says:

    Don’t forget Britain

    (and Canada via Europe NATOs members):

    ”Britain will remain the US’ closest and most ardent friend and ally in the international arena and will continue to passionately lobby for American objectives. ”

    [...]” the British will maintain their links with subversive groups within Iran and would gleefully embrace an opportunity to help overthrow the Iranian Government and return Iran to how it was in the days of the Shah, a client state of the West, bereft of national dignity.”

    [...]

    ”Whitehall will continue to prize its strategic relationship with Turkey, remaining indifferent to Ankara’s appalling treatment of its Kurdish population and allowing the Turks to continue violating international law, as they are currently doing in northern Syria and in northern Iraq. ”

    Overall, the UK will, unashamedly, continue to be in breach of its obligations as a guarantor of the Republic of Cyprus’ independence and territorial integrity, all so that British-Turkish relations remain unaffected.”

    British Foreign Policy in a Post-Brexit World: Business as Usual

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/british-foreign-policy-in-a-post-brexit-world-business-as-usual/5629224

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  60. @Carroll Price
    You bring up a valid point, but since Buchanan and other informed individuals like him know it's Israel doing the sucking, he should have balls enough to come out and say so.

    If you’ve been watching Pat for the past 25 years, then you already know that balls is something he’s never been burdened with, and he’s too old to grow any now. Pat’s relationship with the GOP is like that of a battered wife who will never run away. That theme runs through everything he writes.

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  61. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @whyamihere
    I'm all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria. Iran is Syria is more of a threat to Israel than ISIS because Iran is a nation state with the capability to make advance missiles and weaponry and has allies like Russia and China from whom it can purchase missiles.

    Whether people like it or not, it seems confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran in Syria is inevitable. I hope its more severe next time. They may even hit Syrian defense headquarters in Damascus.

    Pat seems to suggest that Iran is telling the truth here. Well, Pat, there's video proof of the Iranian drone flying into Israeli territory. Funny how the people on this website seem to paint Israel as the malevolent force and Iran as a trustworthy, benevolent force in the region. All I get in response are snarky insults and am called "Hasbara boy."

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?

    The Link Between Jews and Money Is No Longer Taboo
    After years of focusing on anti-Semitism, more and more historians are daring to deal with a subject long considered untouchab

    A striking example is German sociologist Werner Sombart, who in 1911 published the influential book “The Jews and Modern Capitalism” (English edition, 2001, translated by M. Epstein). In response to sociologist Max Weber, Sombart argued that it was the Jews, not the Protestants, who invented capitalism. The Jews’ compatibility with capitalism, he thought, was related to substantive traits in Judaism, which, from the dawn of history, trained the Jews in “the subjugation of the merely animal instincts in man.” In a highly dubious manner, the sociologist associates abstract Jewish thinking with the Jews’ nomadic desert origins: “The sharp outlines of the landscape in hot, dry countries, their brilliant sunshine and their deep shadows, their clear, starlit nights and their stunted vegetation – cannot all these be summed up in the one word, abstraction?”
    Actually, Jewish scholars have often sought to emphasize the socialist elements of their culture, a tendency that was consistent with the leftist bent of many Jewish intellectuals in the mid-20th century. But that situation seems to be changing. Not a few contemporary Jewish intellectuals have embraced capitalism as a legitimate economic approach, and are not ashamed of it. As such, they are proud to present their co-religionists as pioneers of capitalism.
    One of the latter group is the historian Jerry Z. Muller. In his 2010 book “Capitalism and the Jews,” Muller homes in on the Jewish financiers who established the Deutsche Bank and the Dresdner Bank. A similar approach is taken in “The Chosen Few” (2012), by Maristella Botticini and Zvi Eckstein. Their book describes usurious moneylending as a Jewish trade, one in which Jews specialized of their own volition, in order to exploit their relative advantages over the uneducated general population. In this way, the authors maintain, the Jews brought prosperity to the countries in which they were active.
    The past decade has also seen the publication of many studies that promote less sweeping claims, but describe global networks of commerce in which the Jews played a crucial role throughout the modern era. Thus, Sarah Abraveya Stein, in her 2012 book “Plumes: Ostrich Feathers, Jews and a Lost World of Global Commerce,” tells the story of the Jewish trade in ostrich feathers and other luxury items, which flourished from the 1880s until World War I. She maintains that in these and other networks, the Jews “functioned as the glue that bound together a global market.” Historian Francesca Trivellato has written about the role played by Sephardi Jews in international commerce during the 17th and 18th centuries, and Cornelia Aust, in her forthcoming “The Jewish Economic Elite,” traces the role of Ashkenazi Jews in this story.
    These works are in the forefront of the study of Jewish history, but the Israeli educational system would rather focus on other aspects of the history of the Jewish people, even though, for example, the influence exerted by the Rothschild family on Jewish history was certainly greater than that of the writings of philosopher Franz Rosenzweig, or even Maimonides.
    And by the way, these themes sometimes become intertwined. Both Isaac Abarbanel and Moses Mendelssohn were philosophers and financiers both. Baron Walter Rothschild was not only a banker, but also a zoologist, who classified more than 150 species of insects and owned 300,000 stuffed birds. Apparently, you don’t always have to make a choice. https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/the-link-between-jews-and-money-is-no-longer-taboo-1.5822834

    Hopefully they will soon admit the roles they played in destroying Germany, Arab and the roles they are playing against Iran . Hopefully they will share the story of the emotional experiences and monetary loots they extracted from US with future generations.

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  62. Pat, we have no goddamn “obligation” to help the Kurds. Learn the lesson already, man. KEEP OUT.

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  63. @Dave from Oz
    All of these wars are a proxy for the real war: Sunni vs Shiite. Israel is a Saudi ally, which is Sunni. Iran is Shiite. Israel is rather unfortunately located.

    Almost but not quite. Turks are Sunni and Kurds are Sunni fighting each other.

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  64. @yurivku

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?
     
    Just because Russia is fine with US and EU military and missile bases right next to its borders.
    What else would be their intentions besides attacking Russia?

    Is it enough for you to understand?
    Or we have to bomb you?

    I know you answers, just try to invert it and use Russia instead of Israel and US instead of Iran.
    Stupid hypocritical bastards.

    I do have to agree, Very logical.

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  65. excuse my frankness . . .

    I am not sure there is any sucking going on here. More like willingly participation with all due speed save to make it obvious, with eyes wide shut.

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  66. L.K says:

    Buchanan:

    Clearly, we have an obligation not to abandon the Kurds, who took most of the casualties in liberating eastern Syria from ISIS.

    This is FALSE. Most of Eastern Syria has been liberated by the Syrian Army and its allies, Russia, Iran and Hezbollah, which, btw, faced most of ISIS troops.

    Most of the ISIS contingents were directed to fighting the Syrian Army and allies, and even as their so called capital came under attack by the ZUS backed Kurds, ISIS continued to send troops towards Deir Ezzor city and other fronts to fight the SAA.

    And let’s not forget that the ZUSA and its allies created ISIS in the first place.

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    "And let’s not forget that the ZUSA and its allies created ISIS in the first place."

    Yep, there's that, first and foremost. Syria has been in the crosshairs of the Zionist neocons in the US since the Middle East wars were first plotted. Under Obama, and continuing under Trump, the falsehood that the US was there to fight ISIS, was constantly repeated.

    Once Russian forces were deployed against ISIS, suddenly the mask came off and Trump started showing his true face, denouncing Putin, then launching a cruise missile strike on a Syrian air base, and later openly providing transport to fleeing ISIS fighters.

    Zionists are really either supremely arrogant or extremely stupid to push such transparent falsehoods as the ones the US media have been pushing for the past 18 or so years. Even a dimbulb TV addict should be able to see through the kind of nonsense being shown on American TV,
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  67. @yurivku

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?
     
    Just because Russia is fine with US and EU military and missile bases right next to its borders.
    What else would be their intentions besides attacking Russia?

    Is it enough for you to understand?
    Or we have to bomb you?

    I know you answers, just try to invert it and use Russia instead of Israel and US instead of Iran.
    Stupid hypocritical bastards.

    Yuri, this whyamihere troll is always defending Israeli aggression. Here’s one other possible answer (other than to attack Israel) to why Iran’s government wants to build missile bases on Iranian soil:

    To be ready to defend Iranians from an Israeli attack. Israel is, historically, an aggressor nation. Israel has been trying, very openly, to get the US military to attack Iran for decades.

    Iranian government officials would be betraying their people to stop making defense preparations, since Iran is surrounded by enemies and is currently the object of US interference and regime change.

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  68. @L.K
    Buchanan:

    Clearly, we have an obligation not to abandon the Kurds, who took most of the casualties in liberating eastern Syria from ISIS.
     
    This is FALSE. Most of Eastern Syria has been liberated by the Syrian Army and its allies, Russia, Iran and Hezbollah, which, btw, faced most of ISIS troops.

    Most of the ISIS contingents were directed to fighting the Syrian Army and allies, and even as their so called capital came under attack by the ZUS backed Kurds, ISIS continued to send troops towards Deir Ezzor city and other fronts to fight the SAA.

    And let's not forget that the ZUSA and its allies created ISIS in the first place.

    “And let’s not forget that the ZUSA and its allies created ISIS in the first place.”

    Yep, there’s that, first and foremost. Syria has been in the crosshairs of the Zionist neocons in the US since the Middle East wars were first plotted. Under Obama, and continuing under Trump, the falsehood that the US was there to fight ISIS, was constantly repeated.

    Once Russian forces were deployed against ISIS, suddenly the mask came off and Trump started showing his true face, denouncing Putin, then launching a cruise missile strike on a Syrian air base, and later openly providing transport to fleeing ISIS fighters.

    Zionists are really either supremely arrogant or extremely stupid to push such transparent falsehoods as the ones the US media have been pushing for the past 18 or so years. Even a dimbulb TV addict should be able to see through the kind of nonsense being shown on American TV,

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    Zionists are really either supremely arrogant or extremely stupid to push such transparent falsehoods as the ones the US media have been pushing for the past 18 or so years.
     
    Zionists are anything but stupid. It is the American public that is stupid. Zionists control the congress and the executive branch. They also control the media and therefore they are able to put out the propaganda that the American public swallows it.

    The Zionists are arrogant and ruthless. Those that dare to challenge them are destroyed both financially and politically.

    Even a dimbulb TV addict should be able to see through the kind of nonsense being shown on American TV,
     
    Proves that the American TV viewers are worse than the "dimbulbs."
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  69. @whyamihere
    I'm all for Israel bombing the crap out of Assad and the Iranian proxies in Syria. Iran is Syria is more of a threat to Israel than ISIS because Iran is a nation state with the capability to make advance missiles and weaponry and has allies like Russia and China from whom it can purchase missiles.

    Whether people like it or not, it seems confrontation between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran in Syria is inevitable. I hope its more severe next time. They may even hit Syrian defense headquarters in Damascus.

    Pat seems to suggest that Iran is telling the truth here. Well, Pat, there's video proof of the Iranian drone flying into Israeli territory. Funny how the people on this website seem to paint Israel as the malevolent force and Iran as a trustworthy, benevolent force in the region. All I get in response are snarky insults and am called "Hasbara boy."

    Can anyone intelligently explain to me why Israel should be fine with Iran building military and missile bases right next to its border in Syria? What else would be their intentions besides attacking Israel?

    The Israelis can make up their own minds about the best interests of their own country, but the best interests of America would be best served by the following actions:

    1. Bring home all military personnel currently stationed overseas.
    2. End all economic sanctions, including sanctions against Iran.
    3. End all foreign aid, including aid to Israel.
    4. Expel Turkey from NATO, invite Russia to join.
    5. Cease all arms sales to nations whose military actions indirectly benefit Al-Qaeda and ISIS. (For instance, Israeli, Saudi and Turkish bombing of Syria, Yemen and the Kurds)
    6. An immigration moratorium. This would protect our homeland from the radical Sunni terrorists who target us, without spending a single dollar or shedding a single drop of blood.
    7. End all US government operations designed to harm European nationalist movements.

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  70. MEexpert says:
    @Twodees Partain
    "And let’s not forget that the ZUSA and its allies created ISIS in the first place."

    Yep, there's that, first and foremost. Syria has been in the crosshairs of the Zionist neocons in the US since the Middle East wars were first plotted. Under Obama, and continuing under Trump, the falsehood that the US was there to fight ISIS, was constantly repeated.

    Once Russian forces were deployed against ISIS, suddenly the mask came off and Trump started showing his true face, denouncing Putin, then launching a cruise missile strike on a Syrian air base, and later openly providing transport to fleeing ISIS fighters.

    Zionists are really either supremely arrogant or extremely stupid to push such transparent falsehoods as the ones the US media have been pushing for the past 18 or so years. Even a dimbulb TV addict should be able to see through the kind of nonsense being shown on American TV,

    Zionists are really either supremely arrogant or extremely stupid to push such transparent falsehoods as the ones the US media have been pushing for the past 18 or so years.

    Zionists are anything but stupid. It is the American public that is stupid. Zionists control the congress and the executive branch. They also control the media and therefore they are able to put out the propaganda that the American public swallows it.

    The Zionists are arrogant and ruthless. Those that dare to challenge them are destroyed both financially and politically.

    Even a dimbulb TV addict should be able to see through the kind of nonsense being shown on American TV,

    Proves that the American TV viewers are worse than the “dimbulbs.”

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  71. gsjackson says:

    Paddy seems to think there is some separation between American and Israeli policy. Would that it were so, but I’m afraid we’re a wholly-owned subsidiary.

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  72. Skipper says:

    Israel wants a war wih Iran and wants the US to fight it. To achieve this they just need to find the righ provocation. I’m not saying they’ll make it, create it, mislead us to it It just needs to be the right equation of words with images. For example a declared Iranian missle and dead mother with baby would do the trick. Tarring of Iran has to be done well and the words have to hit the right sympathy cords for US ears to yeild a THIS MUST BE STOPPED. Libya destabilized, Iraq destabilized, Syria under destabiliztion – if Iran too can get a good destabilization that would be great for our true ally Israel. Israel as a becon of democracy in a sea of darkness will shine it’s light over teh whole middle east. Under Israel, could arabs & persians find a new sense of unity under the umbrella of Israels democratically enforced policies – only time will tell but a war is needed against Iran soon – while the US still has it’s last gasps of ability.

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  73. MEexpert says:

    Israel wants a war wih Iran and wants the US to fight it. To achieve this they just need to find the righ provocation. I’m not saying they’ll make it, create it, mislead us to it It just needs to be the right equation of words with images.

    Netanyahu badly wants a false flag incidence. He has learned from the American politicians. When you face indictment, bomb a Muslim country or generally start a war.

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