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In crafting the platform in Cleveland on which Donald Trump would run, America Firsters inflicted a major defeat on the War Party.

The platform committee rejected a plank to pull us deeper into Ukraine, by successfully opposing new U.S. arms transfers to Kiev.

Improved relations with Russia were what candidate Trump had promised, and what Americans would vote for in November.

Yet, this week, The Wall Street Journal reports:

“The U.S. Pentagon and State Department have devised plans to supply Ukraine with antitank missiles and other weaponry and are seeking White House approval … as Kiev battles Russia-backed separatists … Defense Secretary Mattis has endorsed the plan.”

As pro-Russia rebels in East Ukraine have armored vehicles, Kiev wants U.S. tank-killing Javelin missiles, as well as antiaircraft weapons.

State and Defense want Trump to send the lethal weapons.

This is a formula for a renewed war, with far higher casualties in Ukraine than the 10,000 dead already suffered on both sides.

And it is a war Vladimir Putin will not likely allow Kiev to win.

If Ukraine’s army, bolstered by U.S. weaponry, re-engages in the east, it could face a Moscow-backed counterattack and be routed, and the Russian army could take permanent control of the Donbass.

Indeed, if Trump approves this State-Defense escalation plan, we could be looking at a rerun of the Russia-Georgia war of August 2008.

Then, to recapture its lost province of South Ossetia, which had seceded in 1992, after Georgia seceded from Russia, Georgia invaded.

Putin sent his army in, threw the Georgians out, and recognized South Ossetia, as John McCain impotently declaimed, “We are all Georgians now!”

Wisely, George W. Bush ignored McCain and did nothing.

But about this new arms deal questions arise.

As the rebels have no aircraft, whose planes are the U.S. antiaircraft missiles to shoot down? And if the Russian army just over the border can enter and crush the Ukrainian army, why would we want to restart a civil war, the only certain result of which is more dead Ukrainians on both sides?

The Journal’s answer: Our goal is to bleed Russia.

“The point of lethal aid is to raise the price Mr. Putin pays for his imperialism until he withdraws or agrees to peace. … The Russians don’t want dead soldiers arriving home before next year’s presidential election.”

Also going neocon is Mike Pence. In Georgia this week, noting that Russian tanks are still in South Ossetia, the vice president not only declared, “We stand with you,” he told Georgians the U.S. stands by its 2008 commitment to bring them into NATO.

This would mean, under Article 5 of the NATO treaty, that in a future Russia-Georgia clash the U.S. could find itself in a shooting war with Russia in the South Caucasus.

Russia’s security interests there seem clear. What are ours?

Along with Trump’s signing of the new sanctions bill imposed by Congress, which strips him of his authority to lift those sanctions without Hill approval, these developments raise larger questions.

Is President Trump losing control of Russia policy? Has he capitulated to the neocons? These are not academic questions. For consider the architect of the new arms package, Kurt Volker, the new U.S. Special Representative for Ukraine Negotiations.

A former CIA agent, member of the National Security Counsel, and envoy to NATO, Volker believes Russian troops in Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk are all there illegally — and U.S. policy should be to push them out.

A former staffer of Sen. McCain, Volker was, until July, executive director of the neocon McCain Institute. He has called for the imposition of personal sanctions on Putin and his family and European travel restrictions on the Russian president.

In the Journal this week, “officials” described his strategy:

“Volker believes … that a change in Ukraine can be brought only by raising the costs for Moscow for continued intervention in Ukraine. In public comments, he has played down the notion that supplying weapons to Ukraine would escalate the conflict with Russia.”

In short, Volker believes giving antitank and antiaircraft missiles to Ukraine will bring Putin to the negotiating table, as he fears the prospect of dead Russian soldiers coming home in caskets before his 2018 election.

As for concerns that Putin might send his army into Ukraine, such worries are unwarranted.

Volker envisions a deepening U.S. involvement in a Ukrainian civil war that can bleed and break Russia’s Ukrainian allies and convince Putin to back down and accept what we regard as a just settlement.

Does Trump believe this? Does Trump believe that confronting Putin with rising casualties among his army and allies in Ukraine is the way to force the Russian president to back down and withdraw from Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk, as Nikita Khrushchev did from Cuba in 1962?

What if Putin refuses to back down, and chooses to confront?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Ace says:

    E. Ukraine and Crimea would be part controlled by Ukraine and there would be no fighting in E. Ukraine today if Obama and Nuland had not interfered in Ukraine. Period.

    The upheaval and deaths there are entirely our responsibility.

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  2. Interestingly, it’s never explained why Putin would fear his soldiers being killed before the election if he really was a dictator. Either he doesn’t care much for the election or he’s not really a dictator.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Well said.
    , @The Alarmist
    It's a confusion of the Soviet experience in Afghanistan with the defense of ethnic Russians standing up to a Yankee Puppet Regime trying to subjugate them. The coffins might well secure a landslide election for Putin in such a cause. The US may have seriously misunderestimated the situation there.
    , @Randal
    Silence, boy. The Emperor's suit is of surpassing magnificence, as all respectable folk agree.
    , @isthatright
    good point
    , @yeah
    Good catch! The pity is that people who have made up their minds (or have had theirs made up for them) about Putin being a dictator will not see the wit and logical beauty of your argument. They are quite likely to write you off as another Russian-stooge and dig in their heels even further. Here is a short farcical satire about our times.
    Good, obedient citizen: Please Guvm'nt, help me. I can't sleep at night 'cause I fear there may be a red under my bed waiting to choke me to death.
    Guvm'nt: Don't worry lad. We watch your house, we monitor your mail. We watch you and yours. We know when you pee and we watch who comes in and out of your house. No one can even breathe without our being in the know.
    Good citizen: Ah thank God! Thanks for preventing a red under my bed. I can now sleep in peace.
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  3. If the following is true it is worth reading

    https://www.rt.com/news/398490-us-main-global-threat-survey/

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  4. Taras77 says:

    The stupidity of Volker is astonishing but he is in keeping with his neo con associates: ignore the consequences and never be held accountable for disastrous results.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Forget "neo con", call them what they are, Israel First
    , @jacques sheete

    ...and never be held accountable...
     
    That's a huge flaw in "our" system.

    We really need to find good answers to that problem.

    , @annamaria
    "The stupidity of Volker is astonishing but he is in keeping with his neo con associates..."

    This is not stupidity. This is the zioncon-inspired treason against US citizenry at large. McCain father, an admiral, got his fame for whitewashing the USSLiberty "accident," thus insulting the memory of American sailors who were wounded and died during the despicable Israeli attack. John McCain moniker, "Tokyo Rose," is not for nothing. Similarly, his open fraternization with Ukrainian neo-Nazis (on a cue from ziocons) is just a family tradition of profitable betrayal. McCain has been loyal to ziocons because the Lobby has become all-powerful in the US.
    https://www.dailystormer.com/senile-traitor-john-mccain-claims-america-was-stronger-under-obama/ "McCain’s entire political career has been based off of doing what’s best for Israel and not America."
    http://america-hijacked.com/2011/09/02/john-mccain-praises-fathers-whitewashing-of-israels-attack-on-the-uss-liberty/
    http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/john-mccain-most-hypocritical-opportunistic-and-untrustworthy-senator
    As for Volker, he is a regular opportunist who would sell the US for a right amount of money and power. Like boss, like servant.

    , @MarkinLA
    never be held accountable for disastrous results.

    If only, he will actually be rewarded handsomely for his disastrous results.
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  5. Is Trump’s Russia Policy Being Hijacked?

    A question?

    C’mon, Mr. Buchanan.

    ROTFL.

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  6. Wally says:
    @reiner Tor
    Interestingly, it's never explained why Putin would fear his soldiers being killed before the election if he really was a dictator. Either he doesn't care much for the election or he's not really a dictator.

    Well said.

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  7. Wally says:
    @Taras77
    The stupidity of Volker is astonishing but he is in keeping with his neo con associates: ignore the consequences and never be held accountable for disastrous results.

    Forget “neo con”, call them what they are, Israel First

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    You are deluded. It's almost hopeless - but one last try- the policy of US global hegemony has nothing to do with Israel. It's been the goal of almost the entire foreign policy elite- including the WASP elite- since 1945. If you mistakenly insist on blaming Israel or its supporters for everything that is happening, you can't identify the real ideas and forces that are propelling us to disaster. That's why anti- Semitisn is such a disabling disease- it mentally cripples those who go down that path. But you won't listen or try to get out, so I'm wasting my breath.
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  8. alexander says:

    Dear Mr. Buchanan,

    Had the Journal one small moment of “truth telling” then its goal would be crystal clear…not to bleed Russia…but to bleed the United States to utter insolvency through their endless stupid wars..

    Just look at our nation’s balance sheet to see the truth.

    Nearly FIFTEEN TRILLION DOLLARS of debt generated in a mere seventeen years.

    What an utter disaster and total disgrace to our nation.

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  9. Volker envisions a deepening U.S. involvement in a Ukrainian civil war that can bleed and break Russia’s Ukrainian allies and convince Putin to back down and accept what we regard as a just settlement.

    On the contrary, I think that Volker and others driving US policy are very well aware that Putin won’t back down, and this is indeed what they want. A direct, permanent conflict with Russia which will leave it isolated from the “Western” world. A bit like track and field, where it increasingly looks like Russia will be permanently excluded from international competitions, and where Russian athletes will only be allowed to compete as “neutrals”, under pain of exclusion if they as so much as sing the Russian national anthem in their hotel. And once the conflict heats up in Ukraine, look for a call to boycott the 2018 World Cup in Russia (as per the 1980 Olympics). The recent Confederations Cup in Russia was widely viewed as a considerable success, and received favorable reporting in much of the Western press, and this clearly can’t be allowed to happen with the World Cup, the World’s premier sporting event.

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    look for a call to boycott the 2018 World Cup in Russia
     
    That would never work, the USA could prevent their team from going and nobody would care, but there is no way they could make the rest of the world do this, to deprive people of such a big event would create an epic backfire for the neocons, even vassal states such as Germany or UK being told by the USA not to go with get the middle finger.
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  10. And of course conflict with Russia has nothing to do with the proclaimed goal of containing an “agressive” Putin and Russia, which is a fallacious representation of Russia’s actions and motives, and everything to do with maintaining the seemingly absolute World hegemony the USA gained after the collapse of the USSR.
    This fantasy of absolute hegemony is hard to let go for Neocons and Deep state, and they will cling to it with all their claws, even risking nuclear war for it.

    The latest sanctions on Russia are an attempt to bleed Russia in another way, by pushing it out of the World economy, with the naive conviction that it would all end well if that plan succeeded…

    Anyone with an ounce of common sense realises that it would end terribly bad for all the parties involved.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Your analysis is correct. Add in the liberal interventionists to the foreign policy groups seeking US global hegemony.
    , @anon
    Your analysis is correct. Add in the liberal interventionists to the foreign policy groups seeking US global hegemony.
    , @annamaria
    'This fantasy of absolute hegemony is hard to let go for Neocons and Deep state, and they will cling to it with all their claws, even risking nuclear war for it."

    The fantasy was formulated in PNAC by a group of Israel-firsters whose only loyalty and concern have been Israel. The ongoing slaughter (mass murder) in the Middle East has been conceived and implemented on ziocons' advice; the non-Jewish profiteers like Cheney and Summers are always ready to join any traitorous project to get a proper gesheft: http://www.trueactivist.com/cheney-rothschild-and-fox-news-murdoch-violate-international-law-by-drilling-for-oil-in-syria/

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/04/appetite-for-war-the-us-israel-and-saudi-arabia-v-iran/ "The White House press secretary said that the U.S. had a “shared interest with Israel to make sure that Iran does not gain a foothold, military base-wise, in southern Syria”. Armed action by U.S. proxies, trained in a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)-run camp in Jordan, against Syrian government troops backed by Iranian-led militias has been a flashpoint along the edge of southern Syria.
    Meanwhile, along Lebanon’s border, tensions have risen over a potential Israeli strike against Hizbollah’s highly fortified positions. Israel has already been collaborating with various Syrian rebel groups, including Al Qaeda-backed groups, in the region near the occupied Golan Heights. Israeli aircraft have regularly been striking Syrian military targets to prevent any advance by the Syrian Army towards the de facto border with Israel. Israel would also like to expand its Golan Heights holdings and create a large buffer zone with Syria. These manoeuvres have been fully backed by the Trump White House.'
    The fake, and extremely expensive, War on Terror is going on

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  11. @reiner Tor
    Interestingly, it's never explained why Putin would fear his soldiers being killed before the election if he really was a dictator. Either he doesn't care much for the election or he's not really a dictator.

    It’s a confusion of the Soviet experience in Afghanistan with the defense of ethnic Russians standing up to a Yankee Puppet Regime trying to subjugate them. The coffins might well secure a landslide election for Putin in such a cause. The US may have seriously misunderestimated the situation there.

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  13. Renoman says:

    I’d say the neocons have Trump on the ropes. Perhaps he figures if he buys enough of their guns he can pacify them long enough to get some control back, I doubt he has any intention of firing those guns but hey, shit happens!

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  14. Being ?

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  15. Expecting Russia to back down fearing casualities? It would be wise to check who has been backing down due to casualities first before making such conclusions. Here Russia security is concerned and casualities are acceptable. USA should be very worried not to take too much responsibilities along Russian borders because things can get hot and this is not the war USA can win. Lose it even small way and USA days as great power are over.

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  16. @Taras77
    The stupidity of Volker is astonishing but he is in keeping with his neo con associates: ignore the consequences and never be held accountable for disastrous results.

    …and never be held accountable…

    That’s a huge flaw in “our” system.

    We really need to find good answers to that problem.

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  17. JL says:

    Both this article, and the problems it proposes to address, are based on deep and fundamental misunderstandings of Russia and its domestic politics. Russia has escalation dominance in the Ukrainian theater and will not only match, but exceed, any American provocation there, including the delivery of arms to the UAF. I believe Russia would have no problem with this development, as it would give them cover to increase, and perhaps make official, its support for the NDF.

    As an aside, before their civil war, the Ukraine was perennially among the top five of the world’s largest arms exporters. So lack of arms is not clearly not the problem. No, the problem is that those who are trained to use them are not particularly enthusiastic about fighting, and those that are enthusiastic about fighting are not particularly well trained. Not to mention that a lot of them are dead already.

    As for Putin and the elections, the real risk for him is not soldiers coming home in bodybags. Russian mentality, and their general attitudes towards war, allow them to take losses perhaps like no one else in the world. No, the real political risk to Putin is not appearing to react strongly enough.

    As it is, Russian public opinion would like him to take a tougher stance in facing down the Empire. The world should really be glad that Russia has such a patient and tolerant leader. Russia’s next leader will lack the political capital that Putin has developed over the years, and will likely be much more aggressive in the defense of Russia’s national interests. Those dreaming of Putin’s exit should really be careful of what they wish for.

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    As I've proposed in other fora, a simple, effective Russian response would be to proclaim a temporary protectorate over the Donbas republics of the Ukraine until such time as the Minsk II agreement is fulfilled, or renegotiated to the agreement to the concerned parties. (I.E., temporarily permanent.) A precedent would be the French protectorates Tunisia and Morocco, and the various analogous protectorates still exercised around the world (see Wikipedia). The proclamation should proclaim that Russia will retaliate against any artillery, missile, air, or naval attacks on the Donbas using forces located in Russian; and also against any ground attack across the cease-fire line using ground forces presently deployed in Russia, at the request of either Donbas republic. The U.S. and Nato would scream bloody murder of course, Congress would vote more meaningless sanctions, but the situation would stabilize permanently IMHO, perhaps after a few retaliatory barrages. It would be like the Crimea, a frozen conflict the Ukraine and the West know they cannot win short of WW3.
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  18. Randal says:
    @reiner Tor
    Interestingly, it's never explained why Putin would fear his soldiers being killed before the election if he really was a dictator. Either he doesn't care much for the election or he's not really a dictator.

    Silence, boy. The Emperor’s suit is of surpassing magnificence, as all respectable folk agree.

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  19. @reiner Tor
    Interestingly, it's never explained why Putin would fear his soldiers being killed before the election if he really was a dictator. Either he doesn't care much for the election or he's not really a dictator.

    good point

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  20. The Democratic Party

    Mass murder of Conservative Christian Russians in the name of Homosexual-Pedophile-Tranny Rights

    Democratic Party Family Values…..

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  21. If Putin backs down to the neocons….he will very likely be overthrown by the Russian Military….I would like to know Comrade Saker’s and Comrade SmothieX1′s view on this matter since they are both by many orders of magnitude more qualified to comment on this point that I have raised……

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  22. Andoheb says:

    Wonder if Russians could respond by arming Taliban

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  23. neutral says:
    @for-the-record
    Volker envisions a deepening U.S. involvement in a Ukrainian civil war that can bleed and break Russia’s Ukrainian allies and convince Putin to back down and accept what we regard as a just settlement.

    On the contrary, I think that Volker and others driving US policy are very well aware that Putin won't back down, and this is indeed what they want. A direct, permanent conflict with Russia which will leave it isolated from the "Western" world. A bit like track and field, where it increasingly looks like Russia will be permanently excluded from international competitions, and where Russian athletes will only be allowed to compete as "neutrals", under pain of exclusion if they as so much as sing the Russian national anthem in their hotel. And once the conflict heats up in Ukraine, look for a call to boycott the 2018 World Cup in Russia (as per the 1980 Olympics). The recent Confederations Cup in Russia was widely viewed as a considerable success, and received favorable reporting in much of the Western press, and this clearly can't be allowed to happen with the World Cup, the World's premier sporting event.

    look for a call to boycott the 2018 World Cup in Russia

    That would never work, the USA could prevent their team from going and nobody would care, but there is no way they could make the rest of the world do this, to deprive people of such a big event would create an epic backfire for the neocons, even vassal states such as Germany or UK being told by the USA not to go with get the middle finger.

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    ZioUSA did everything in its power to derail Sochi.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-burnett/boycott-the-winter-olympi_b_4439037.html

    U.S. skeleton athletes seek boycott of Sochi championships
    www.reuters.com/article/us-sport-doping-skeleton-usa-idUSKBN13U01H

    U.S. Athletes Weigh a Boycott Over Russian Doping - The New York ...
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/04/sports/russian-doping-boycott-us-athletes.html


    Should the US have boycotted the Sochi Olympics
    www.debate.org › Opinions › Politics


    Latvia skeleton team to boycott world championships in Russia | Sport ...
    https://www.theguardian.com › Sports › Russia doping scandal

    U.S. men's hockey players may boycott world championships in ...
    www.chicagotribune.com/.../ct-us-men-may-boycott-hockey-world-championships-2...

    U.S. women's hockey players to boycott world championships
    www.chicagotribune.com/.../ct-womens-hockey-world-championships-boycott-20170...

    Boycott the Winter Olympics | HuffPost
    www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-burnett/boycott-the-winter-olympi_b_4439037.html

    Canada and U.S. should consider boycott of men's hockey in Sochi
    archives.cerium.ca/Canada-should-boycott-men-s-hockey
    , @for-the-record
    That would never work, the USA could prevent their team from going and nobody would care, but there is no way they could make the rest of the world do this, to deprive people of such a big event would create an epic backfire for the neocons, even vassal states such as Germany or UK being told by the USA not to go with get the middle finger.

    My point was that there will be a call to boycott the World Cup, hopefully you are right as to the outcome. After decades of being subservient vassals, it would be truly ironic if the ultimate wedge between the US and the "coalition of the willing" were to be sports, showing what is truly important in life...
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  24. putin will 100% not back down. this is not 1962. same reason why china would never allow NK to be taken over.

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    putin will 100% not back down. this is not 1962. same reason why china would never allow NK to be taken over.
     
    It has nothing, zilch, to do with Putin. It has everything to do with overwhelming majority of Russian people, whose blood was spilled on US and EU (NATO) money. The combined West and especially its pathetic Russian "academe" have no clue about cultural suicide West (US especially) has committed in Russia. It is my academic contention that US Russia's "scholarship" (with some few exceptions) knows next to zero about Russia and especially her 20th and 21st century history. It is an established scientific fact now. Overwhelming empirical evidence to support my claim is in place and easily accessible. It is also a major reason why US "power elites" are so dangerous--they miscalculate constantly, because they are incompetent.
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  25. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Well, at least we’re spared in his latest Mr. Buchanan’s witlessly carrying around a bucket of “Russian hacking” BS.

    But he still serves the Establishment. Note his habitual use of “we” in reference to the USG. People who self-identify with their rulers are essential for the warmongers. Isn’t that why Americans are subjected to camouflage uniforms and “thank you for your service” spectacles at athletic events?

    I can appreciate the author’s desire to see himself and to be lauded as a “true conservative.” But the fact is that he was part of the regime that was more successful only because it picked on Grenada and other relative weaklings. 99% of the people who live in this country shouldn’t care less about who governs Ukraine, Korea, or any other place outside the lawful territory of the United States

    More of us every day realize that the beat has been rolling on, no matter who is in nominal power in Washington, for a long, long time. Mr. Buchanan should take a couple more steps back. Maybe he will see that, too.

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  26. In short, Volker believes giving antitank and antiaircraft missiles to Ukraine will bring Putin to the negotiating table, as he fears the prospect of dead Russian soldiers coming home in caskets before his 2018 election.

    1.There are NO cohesive Russian Armed Forces units (formations) in Donbass. Volunteers (aka “vacationers”) from regular Russian Army? Sure, they are being paid well, plus Northern Wind. But it seems even Ukrainian Army’s top brass admission that there are no Russian troops in Ukraine falls on a deaf ear. Evidently those in the “West” who continue to repeat this baloney have very little understanding of how real wars are fought and how real formations from company up to battalion and regiment level, not to speak of brigades or divisions, are deployed. Per personnel–neither DNR nor LNR have issues with mobilizing numbers.

    2. Volker continues, if that are his real intentions, to demonstrate a complete lack of any strategic vision and following dead beat cliches–which are defining characteristics of D.C. “elites” who are completely removed from everyday realities, which actually matter, of the world. Nor are they competent in their assessments of the scale of the resources required for “bringing Putin to negotiating table”. Even giving some Javelins (not to speak of TOWs) and Stinger-type weapons will only accelerate a demise of the Ukrainian Army and with it, of the current Kiev regime. But then again, considering level of US “diplomacy” in general, and Volker’s in particular one can reasonably expect another FUBAR with dire consequences for both US and its clients.

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    • Replies: @for-the-record
    Nor are they competent in their assessments of the scale of the resources required for “bringing Putin to negotiating table”.

    Following up on an earlier post, I think you are misinterpreting Volker's objective (and those of his "fellow travelers"). They know very well that Putin won't "come to the table", in fact they don't want him to. What they want is to force him to intervene directly and openly, as in Syria, and then use this "invasion" to justify permanent pariah status for Russia. They don't care at all what happens to Ukraine, only that Russia is forced to act in a manner that will allow them to demonize it.
    , @peterAUS
    You know, can't help myself but noticing certain similarities between Donbass and "Republic of Kraina" (I guess that's the correct name) in conflict in Yugoslavia.
    Of course, there are a lot of differences, but, there are some uncomfortable similarities.

    Or, fate of Tamil Republic, to lesser extent.

    It all hinges on a political will of the regime in Moscow.

    I just can't see other option, in the world we see as we speak, but the conflict there to escalate.

    West will keep escalating; the question is will the regime in Moscow follow the process. I don't see Moscow taking the initiative there.

    Donbass survival goes way beyond pure military matters.
    Predicting the outcome based on military capabilities of participants involved is wrong method I think.
    Actually, I believe it could be misleading and/or self-deluding.
    , @MarkinLA
    “bringing Putin to negotiating table”.

    Americans have been brainwashed into believing that they have to negotiate from a position of strength. Therefore, Putin has to be in some kind of weaker state (which can never be achieved in this case). I agree with for-the-record that those espousing this policy know it won't work. This barking is for the consumption of idiots in the US press and to gain the support of the average idiot American.
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  27. @Astuteobservor II
    putin will 100% not back down. this is not 1962. same reason why china would never allow NK to be taken over.

    putin will 100% not back down. this is not 1962. same reason why china would never allow NK to be taken over.

    It has nothing, zilch, to do with Putin. It has everything to do with overwhelming majority of Russian people, whose blood was spilled on US and EU (NATO) money. The combined West and especially its pathetic Russian “academe” have no clue about cultural suicide West (US especially) has committed in Russia. It is my academic contention that US Russia’s “scholarship” (with some few exceptions) knows next to zero about Russia and especially her 20th and 21st century history. It is an established scientific fact now. Overwhelming empirical evidence to support my claim is in place and easily accessible. It is also a major reason why US “power elites” are so dangerous–they miscalculate constantly, because they are incompetent.

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    And because they have not been hurt yet and have no clue as to what real hubris after failure coming home looks like.
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  28. If I have understood Mr Buchanan’s writings correctly, his primary goal is the destruction of the EU, which he sees as a threat to US global hegemony. Putin is merely an American stooge to be used to promote that end in return for which he is to get such reward as the hegemonic US vouchsafes to grant him. The conundrum for the US hegemonists is that if Putin wins in Ukraine, then US global hegemony is irreversibly destroyed but if he loses, the hated EU is enormously strengthened, which in its turn destroys US global hegemony! Heads, the EU wins, tails, the US loses! The argument Mr Buchanan is challenging seems to be that taking Putin out will do less damage to US hegemony than allowing him to win. As for Putin, he has two choices. He can capitulate in return for some face-saving fudge that will fool nobody. That will probably destroy him politically with his elderly Soviet-generation supporters at home. Or he can start WWIII and lose or start WWIII, go nuclear and then lose. That too will destroy him at home. Thus, for US hegemonists who haven’t yet accepted that Putin has “blown it” and can no longer serve as a battering ram to destroy the EU (and has, indeed, become a liability to the very US groups that initially backed him), the logical thing is to try to get the US to capitulate to Putin in the mistaken belief the the European members of NATO are incapable of fending off Putin’s rickety military machine by themselves. That wholly misunderstands the strength of nationalism in Europe, the very same nationalism that the US hegemonists have been trying to whip up as (yet another!) battering ram to destroy the EU!

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    The EU are doing a good job of destroying themselves. If the Central and Eastern countries continue to be bullied over migrants and bad economic deals, then maybe they'll rightly cut and run.

    USA's soft-war against Europe was evident right after the 2008 economic bust, with Greece CDS's being targeted until capitulation. Then Hillary or whomever conned Europe into wrecking Libya, then Ukraine, then Syria, then the wave of migrants began..

    It might sound ridiculous, but I am starting to think Erdogan has been a far better leader than Merkel or the clown car carousel of France. He's totally ruthless, and has been a supporter of terrorists, but his moves have been somewhat logical in the face of extreme crisis. Now he seems to have oriented Turkey to a relatively solid footing as far as I can see.

    , @Thirdeye
    ".....Putin’s rickety military machine...."

    How much would you be willing to bet on that assessment? The days when the west could smugly view its qualitative edge against the mighty but technologically backwards and unwieldy Soviet bloc forces are long gone. Ironically the old roles are now reversed. It is the west's forces that have a readiness deficit that undermines their theoretical strength.
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  29. “Is President Trump losing control of Russia policy? Has he capitulated to the neocons? [OR ARE WE NOW FORCED TO CONCLUDE THAT TRUMP'S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN WAS A CALCULATED FRAUD FROM THE BEGINNING]?”

    There; I fixed it for you.

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    [OR ARE WE NOW FORCED TO CONCLUDE THAT TRUMP'S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN WAS A CALCULATED FRAUD FROM THE BEGINNING]?”

    There; I fixed it for you.
     
    You certainly did!
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  30. Political morons are running the US. Trump is not in control of any of his agencies or departments. All of them are hostile to him not to speak to Congress. which blocks any of his initiatives. What Vice President Mike Pence is talking about his trip in the Baltics or the other US satellite states, is irresponsible. It shows that Trump has lost control that is what the war party and the Republicans want. They will push Trump out of office and if it doesn’t work some hired crazy will kill him like JFK. The real political gangsters are the members of the Deep State such as the CIA, NSA, the wider intelligence community, and the Clinton and Obama political mafia.

    The suggestions made by Kurt Volker, the new U.S. Special Representative for Ukraine Negotiations, are just beyond the pale for the Russians. For what Volker suggested, Trump should replace him. President Putin should not accept being fooled by the US any longer and just take the Donbas, period as he did with South Ossetia. If the US war-mongers in Washington want to go to war over Ukraine, they should try it. Putin should not allow the US to blackmail him further on.
    Putin is not an imperialist or an aggressor, but the US Empire and its NATO satellites are.

    Having conquered 75 per cent of the world’s territories through over 700 US military bases, the real perpetrator is obvious. Putin should not back down against US aggression and provocation. Why should the US risk its destruction for a corrupt and criminal political leadership in Ukraine? Perhaps there are still some sane people within the Belt Way, although they are thin on the ground.

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    "Political morons are running the US. Trump is not in control of any of his agencies or departments. All of them are hostile to him not to speak to Congress."

    Would you agree with me that this pathetic situation obviously didn't happen by "accident"? It must be concluded that the Trump "presidency" is a Trojan horse. Trump's whole campaign was a calculated fraud from the beginning. That is, presidential poseur Trump ran with the intention of turning most general policy decisions, especially foreign policy, over to his Jewish-supremacist handlers, and letting them pick most if not all of his subordinates (or at least letting them have veto power over his choices).

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  31. Seward says:
    @JL
    Both this article, and the problems it proposes to address, are based on deep and fundamental misunderstandings of Russia and its domestic politics. Russia has escalation dominance in the Ukrainian theater and will not only match, but exceed, any American provocation there, including the delivery of arms to the UAF. I believe Russia would have no problem with this development, as it would give them cover to increase, and perhaps make official, its support for the NDF.

    As an aside, before their civil war, the Ukraine was perennially among the top five of the world's largest arms exporters. So lack of arms is not clearly not the problem. No, the problem is that those who are trained to use them are not particularly enthusiastic about fighting, and those that are enthusiastic about fighting are not particularly well trained. Not to mention that a lot of them are dead already.

    As for Putin and the elections, the real risk for him is not soldiers coming home in bodybags. Russian mentality, and their general attitudes towards war, allow them to take losses perhaps like no one else in the world. No, the real political risk to Putin is not appearing to react strongly enough.

    As it is, Russian public opinion would like him to take a tougher stance in facing down the Empire. The world should really be glad that Russia has such a patient and tolerant leader. Russia's next leader will lack the political capital that Putin has developed over the years, and will likely be much more aggressive in the defense of Russia's national interests. Those dreaming of Putin's exit should really be careful of what they wish for.

    As I’ve proposed in other fora, a simple, effective Russian response would be to proclaim a temporary protectorate over the Donbas republics of the Ukraine until such time as the Minsk II agreement is fulfilled, or renegotiated to the agreement to the concerned parties. (I.E., temporarily permanent.) A precedent would be the French protectorates Tunisia and Morocco, and the various analogous protectorates still exercised around the world (see Wikipedia). The proclamation should proclaim that Russia will retaliate against any artillery, missile, air, or naval attacks on the Donbas using forces located in Russian; and also against any ground attack across the cease-fire line using ground forces presently deployed in Russia, at the request of either Donbas republic. The U.S. and Nato would scream bloody murder of course, Congress would vote more meaningless sanctions, but the situation would stabilize permanently IMHO, perhaps after a few retaliatory barrages. It would be like the Crimea, a frozen conflict the Ukraine and the West know they cannot win short of WW3.

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    proclaim a temporary protectorate over the Donbas republics of the Ukraine until such time as the Minsk II agreement is fulfilled, or renegotiated to the agreement to the concerned parties
     
    but that all presumes the existence of some adherence to some principle of International Law or respect for such notions. When from the West, there are none anymore. The zio-West now destroys entire nations based on what everyone knows and accepts are blatant lies. The charade is over. Even the trappings of the illusion have been tossed aside, and the snarling zio-face of 'might = right' is now menacing the world.

    A precedent would be the French protectorates...
     
    you're using the language of codified law, when there isn't any anymore

    Russia will retaliate against any artillery, missile, air, or naval attacks on the Donbas using forces located in Russian;
     
    the zio-fiend is salivating for any pretext it can use to act outraged and shocked, shocked! that today it has been proven true! Putin is Adolf Hitler and threatens the world with military tyranny! He must be stopped at all costs! John McCain and Lindsey Graham were right all along!! This man is a menace! and France and Germany and England are joining the ZUSA with immediate calls for Russia to desist and respect International Law and sovereign borders!!

    'THIS WILL NOT STAND!'

    blah, blah, blah

    What Putin should do is tell the West/NATO to stop fomenting war on his borders, and if they really are going to keep pushing until Russia accepts its status as vassal state to Tel Aviv, (like the ZUSA and England and France and Germany obviously are), that before that happens, everyone should know that there's a certain 'shitty little state' in the middle east that can expect to be visited by a couple of Satan II ambassadors before Russia bows down like a mangy dog to the Jewish supremacist$ in Israel.

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  32. @Andrei Martyanov

    putin will 100% not back down. this is not 1962. same reason why china would never allow NK to be taken over.
     
    It has nothing, zilch, to do with Putin. It has everything to do with overwhelming majority of Russian people, whose blood was spilled on US and EU (NATO) money. The combined West and especially its pathetic Russian "academe" have no clue about cultural suicide West (US especially) has committed in Russia. It is my academic contention that US Russia's "scholarship" (with some few exceptions) knows next to zero about Russia and especially her 20th and 21st century history. It is an established scientific fact now. Overwhelming empirical evidence to support my claim is in place and easily accessible. It is also a major reason why US "power elites" are so dangerous--they miscalculate constantly, because they are incompetent.

    And because they have not been hurt yet and have no clue as to what real hubris after failure coming home looks like.

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  33. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    Forget "neo con", call them what they are, Israel First

    You are deluded. It’s almost hopeless – but one last try- the policy of US global hegemony has nothing to do with Israel. It’s been the goal of almost the entire foreign policy elite- including the WASP elite- since 1945. If you mistakenly insist on blaming Israel or its supporters for everything that is happening, you can’t identify the real ideas and forces that are propelling us to disaster. That’s why anti- Semitisn is such a disabling disease- it mentally cripples those who go down that path. But you won’t listen or try to get out, so I’m wasting my breath.

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    Another desperate hasbarist has spoken.

    ‘Antisemitism’ is simply a logical reaction to the lies, thievery, violence, destruction, and hate that is perpetrated and advocated by Jewish supremacists.

    The '6M Jews' crap is falling part, BDS is breathing down their neck, & "that shitty little country" is doomed. Excellent.


    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     

    Must reads:
    Holocaust Handbooks & Documentaries
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Israel's Dirty Little Secret
    How it drives US policies exploiting a spineless Congress and White House
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-dirty-little-secret/

    , @MEexpert

    If you mistakenly insist on blaming Israel or its supporters for everything that is happening, you can’t identify the real ideas and forces that are propelling us to disaster.
     
    There is no mistake about. The Israel/neocon policy is what has the United States in this mess. As Buchanan once said that the US congress is "Israel occupied" territory. How else do you explain a 98-2 vote to make criticism of Israel a crime with up to 20 years in jail and million dollars in fine. The Middle East policy is a disaster because of Israel controls the foreign policy of the United States.

    That’s why anti- Semitisn is such a disabling disease- it mentally cripples those who go down that path.
     
    Only the Jews equate anti-Semitisms with anti-Israel or anti-Jew. Semite does not equal Jew. European Jews/Zionists, which control Israel and the US congress are not Semites. Jews have hijacked the term. There are many non-Jewish (Arab and Christian) Semites.
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  34. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Captain Nemo
    And of course conflict with Russia has nothing to do with the proclaimed goal of containing an "agressive" Putin and Russia, which is a fallacious representation of Russia's actions and motives, and everything to do with maintaining the seemingly absolute World hegemony the USA gained after the collapse of the USSR.
    This fantasy of absolute hegemony is hard to let go for Neocons and Deep state, and they will cling to it with all their claws, even risking nuclear war for it.

    The latest sanctions on Russia are an attempt to bleed Russia in another way, by pushing it out of the World economy, with the naive conviction that it would all end well if that plan succeeded...

    Anyone with an ounce of common sense realises that it would end terribly bad for all the parties involved.

    Your analysis is correct. Add in the liberal interventionists to the foreign policy groups seeking US global hegemony.

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  35. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Captain Nemo
    And of course conflict with Russia has nothing to do with the proclaimed goal of containing an "agressive" Putin and Russia, which is a fallacious representation of Russia's actions and motives, and everything to do with maintaining the seemingly absolute World hegemony the USA gained after the collapse of the USSR.
    This fantasy of absolute hegemony is hard to let go for Neocons and Deep state, and they will cling to it with all their claws, even risking nuclear war for it.

    The latest sanctions on Russia are an attempt to bleed Russia in another way, by pushing it out of the World economy, with the naive conviction that it would all end well if that plan succeeded...

    Anyone with an ounce of common sense realises that it would end terribly bad for all the parties involved.

    Your analysis is correct. Add in the liberal interventionists to the foreign policy groups seeking US global hegemony.

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  36. This is a formula for a renewed war, with far higher casualties in Ukraine than the 10,000 dead already suffered on both sides.

    last I looked there is already a war. Nothing would be “renewed,” as it is ongoing.

    Volker envisions a deepening U.S. involvement in a Ukrainian civil war that can bleed and break Russia’s Ukrainian allies and convince Putin to back down and accept what we regard as a just settlement.

    It is not a civil war. That is a Putinist lie. Russian units are already on the ground in the Donbas and their casualties have been quite heavy. Russian troops have been captured, and they were in possession of their military ID and internal passports. “Cargo 200″ shipments have been rather heavy over the last 3 years, and parents of the troops killed have been asking about their kids.

    The Ukrainians are willing to fight for themselves. They simply need the tools. Putin may not like the fact that the Ukrainians don’t want any part of his renewed Russian Empire, but it need not involve our troops when the people are their are willing to fight.

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    You sound like you copied this statement from a Ukrainian propaganda site.

    Sure thing, thousands of Donbass people fighting in the militia do not exists but Russia troops nobody has been able to see or photograph do. I have the utmost respect for the Russian military capabilities but I do not think they've developed a clocking device as yet.

    And, of course, going to a secret military mission, you should never forget to bring along you internal passport and military ID. Heavy losses, really? We know people who died in Donbass by name - and they aren't Russia soldiers. Oh, you forgot about buryats - no picture of the Russia invasion could be complete without byuryat motorized divisions invading Donbass.

    You may not like it but this is a civil war brought about by the idiotic policies of the scumbags the West put in charge of Ukraine. As to the tools, bring them over - they'll end up in the hands of the Donbass militia in no time. You see, "Ukrainians are willing to fight for themselves" mostly on the pages of Facebook. Those that do go to the Army, mostly do it for money. The situation in today's Ukraine is so desperate, killing one's former compatriots is about the only way for a man to make a living.
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  37. annamaria says:
    @Taras77
    The stupidity of Volker is astonishing but he is in keeping with his neo con associates: ignore the consequences and never be held accountable for disastrous results.

    “The stupidity of Volker is astonishing but he is in keeping with his neo con associates…”

    This is not stupidity. This is the zioncon-inspired treason against US citizenry at large. McCain father, an admiral, got his fame for whitewashing the USSLiberty “accident,” thus insulting the memory of American sailors who were wounded and died during the despicable Israeli attack. John McCain moniker, “Tokyo Rose,” is not for nothing. Similarly, his open fraternization with Ukrainian neo-Nazis (on a cue from ziocons) is just a family tradition of profitable betrayal. McCain has been loyal to ziocons because the Lobby has become all-powerful in the US.
    https://www.dailystormer.com/senile-traitor-john-mccain-claims-america-was-stronger-under-obama/ “McCain’s entire political career has been based off of doing what’s best for Israel and not America.”

    http://america-hijacked.com/2011/09/02/john-mccain-praises-fathers-whitewashing-of-israels-attack-on-the-uss-liberty/

    http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/john-mccain-most-hypocritical-opportunistic-and-untrustworthy-senator

    As for Volker, he is a regular opportunist who would sell the US for a right amount of money and power. Like boss, like servant.

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  38. Wally says: • Website
    @anon
    You are deluded. It's almost hopeless - but one last try- the policy of US global hegemony has nothing to do with Israel. It's been the goal of almost the entire foreign policy elite- including the WASP elite- since 1945. If you mistakenly insist on blaming Israel or its supporters for everything that is happening, you can't identify the real ideas and forces that are propelling us to disaster. That's why anti- Semitisn is such a disabling disease- it mentally cripples those who go down that path. But you won't listen or try to get out, so I'm wasting my breath.

    Another desperate hasbarist has spoken.

    ‘Antisemitism’ is simply a logical reaction to the lies, thievery, violence, destruction, and hate that is perpetrated and advocated by Jewish supremacists.

    The ’6M Jews’ crap is falling part, BDS is breathing down their neck, & “that shitty little country” is doomed. Excellent.

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

    Must reads:
    Holocaust Handbooks & Documentaries

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Israel’s Dirty Little Secret
    How it drives US policies exploiting a spineless Congress and White House

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-dirty-little-secret/

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  39. Rurik says:
    @Seward
    As I've proposed in other fora, a simple, effective Russian response would be to proclaim a temporary protectorate over the Donbas republics of the Ukraine until such time as the Minsk II agreement is fulfilled, or renegotiated to the agreement to the concerned parties. (I.E., temporarily permanent.) A precedent would be the French protectorates Tunisia and Morocco, and the various analogous protectorates still exercised around the world (see Wikipedia). The proclamation should proclaim that Russia will retaliate against any artillery, missile, air, or naval attacks on the Donbas using forces located in Russian; and also against any ground attack across the cease-fire line using ground forces presently deployed in Russia, at the request of either Donbas republic. The U.S. and Nato would scream bloody murder of course, Congress would vote more meaningless sanctions, but the situation would stabilize permanently IMHO, perhaps after a few retaliatory barrages. It would be like the Crimea, a frozen conflict the Ukraine and the West know they cannot win short of WW3.

    proclaim a temporary protectorate over the Donbas republics of the Ukraine until such time as the Minsk II agreement is fulfilled, or renegotiated to the agreement to the concerned parties

    but that all presumes the existence of some adherence to some principle of International Law or respect for such notions. When from the West, there are none anymore. The zio-West now destroys entire nations based on what everyone knows and accepts are blatant lies. The charade is over. Even the trappings of the illusion have been tossed aside, and the snarling zio-face of ‘might = right’ is now menacing the world.

    A precedent would be the French protectorates…

    you’re using the language of codified law, when there isn’t any anymore

    Russia will retaliate against any artillery, missile, air, or naval attacks on the Donbas using forces located in Russian;

    the zio-fiend is salivating for any pretext it can use to act outraged and shocked, shocked! that today it has been proven true! Putin is Adolf Hitler and threatens the world with military tyranny! He must be stopped at all costs! John McCain and Lindsey Graham were right all along!! This man is a menace! and France and Germany and England are joining the ZUSA with immediate calls for Russia to desist and respect International Law and sovereign borders!!

    ‘THIS WILL NOT STAND!’

    blah, blah, blah

    What Putin should do is tell the West/NATO to stop fomenting war on his borders, and if they really are going to keep pushing until Russia accepts its status as vassal state to Tel Aviv, (like the ZUSA and England and France and Germany obviously are), that before that happens, everyone should know that there’s a certain ‘shitty little state’ in the middle east that can expect to be visited by a couple of Satan II ambassadors before Russia bows down like a mangy dog to the Jewish supremacist$ in Israel.

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    The destruction and rape of Ukraine had been planned already by the ZUSA when a previous puppet of US, Yushchenko, was installed in Kiev with the help of the State Dept. and the CIA-supported and educated organizations like The National Endowment for Democracy (NED). http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/08/killing-europe-us-launches-sanctions.html
    "Back in 2010, Russia proposed creating a joint venture with Ukraine and unifying Gazprom’s fields and Ukraine’s gas pipelines. However, the pro-American leadership of Ukraine at the time (when Viktor Yushchenko, who led the country as a result of a color revolution, was president) rejected the project, seeing such as a “threat” to “national dignity”, i.e., Ukraine’s GTS [gas transport system]. ... The plan for “increasing Ukraine’s energy security” contained in HR 3364 [concocted in the US] means turning Ukraine into a transit monopolist under the control of American companies. Accepting the Americans’ conditions is economically disadvantageous to Russia and renders it politically dependent on the unpredictable transit that is Ukraine. If this act is implemented, American energy companies will be able to participate in the privatization of Ukraine’s GTS (as provided by the Third Energy Package) and profit off of the transport of gas across Ukrainian territory. Thus, the main revenue from transiting Russian gas would not go to the Ukrainians, but to their overseas overlord."
    Very clear. The natives can go die out peacefully without making any unnecessary noise re "sovereignty," "national interests" and other trifles that are of no interests for the US corporations.
    Monsanto is already in charge of the Ukraine' agricultural lands. Splendid. http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2526593/ukraine_opens_up_for_monsanto_land_grabs_and_gmos.html

    The National Endowment for Democracy (NED) has been chaired by Carl Gershman, the ziocon who has been president since NED was founded in 1983.
    http://www.voltairenet.org/article192992.html
    https://journal-neo.org/2015/08/03/national-endowment-for-democracy-is-now-officially-undesirable-in-

    , @seward
    A "protectorate" is only a cover name, for PR purposes. (Soft power, if you will.) Russia has become a great power again, and should act as one. It has the power to impose its will over the Donbas, for the protection and benefit of its fellow Russian speakers, and should do so. It should create its own reality here, as it did in the Crimea. IMHO that would stabilize the situation and result in peace. Then Russia could get on with integrating the Donbas with itself economically and via passports, until it could be done juridically.
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  40. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @neutral

    look for a call to boycott the 2018 World Cup in Russia
     
    That would never work, the USA could prevent their team from going and nobody would care, but there is no way they could make the rest of the world do this, to deprive people of such a big event would create an epic backfire for the neocons, even vassal states such as Germany or UK being told by the USA not to go with get the middle finger.

    ZioUSA did everything in its power to derail Sochi.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-burnett/boycott-the-winter-olympi_b_4439037.html

    U.S. skeleton athletes seek boycott of Sochi championships
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sport-doping-skeleton-usa-idUSKBN13U01H

    U.S. Athletes Weigh a Boycott Over Russian Doping – The New York …

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/04/sports/russian-doping-boycott-us-athletes.html

    Should the US have boycotted the Sochi Olympics
    http://www.debate.org › Opinions › Politics

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    https://www.theguardian.com › Sports › Russia doping scandal

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    Boycott the Winter Olympics | HuffPost
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-burnett/boycott-the-winter-olympi_b_4439037.html

    Canada and U.S. should consider boycott of men’s hockey in Sochi
    archives.cerium.ca/Canada-should-boycott-men-s-hockey

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  41. @neutral

    look for a call to boycott the 2018 World Cup in Russia
     
    That would never work, the USA could prevent their team from going and nobody would care, but there is no way they could make the rest of the world do this, to deprive people of such a big event would create an epic backfire for the neocons, even vassal states such as Germany or UK being told by the USA not to go with get the middle finger.

    That would never work, the USA could prevent their team from going and nobody would care, but there is no way they could make the rest of the world do this, to deprive people of such a big event would create an epic backfire for the neocons, even vassal states such as Germany or UK being told by the USA not to go with get the middle finger.

    My point was that there will be a call to boycott the World Cup, hopefully you are right as to the outcome. After decades of being subservient vassals, it would be truly ironic if the ultimate wedge between the US and the “coalition of the willing” were to be sports, showing what is truly important in life…

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  42. @Andrei Martyanov

    In short, Volker believes giving antitank and antiaircraft missiles to Ukraine will bring Putin to the negotiating table, as he fears the prospect of dead Russian soldiers coming home in caskets before his 2018 election.
     
    1.There are NO cohesive Russian Armed Forces units (formations) in Donbass. Volunteers (aka "vacationers") from regular Russian Army? Sure, they are being paid well, plus Northern Wind. But it seems even Ukrainian Army's top brass admission that there are no Russian troops in Ukraine falls on a deaf ear. Evidently those in the "West" who continue to repeat this baloney have very little understanding of how real wars are fought and how real formations from company up to battalion and regiment level, not to speak of brigades or divisions, are deployed. Per personnel--neither DNR nor LNR have issues with mobilizing numbers.

    2. Volker continues, if that are his real intentions, to demonstrate a complete lack of any strategic vision and following dead beat cliches--which are defining characteristics of D.C. "elites" who are completely removed from everyday realities, which actually matter, of the world. Nor are they competent in their assessments of the scale of the resources required for "bringing Putin to negotiating table". Even giving some Javelins (not to speak of TOWs) and Stinger-type weapons will only accelerate a demise of the Ukrainian Army and with it, of the current Kiev regime. But then again, considering level of US "diplomacy" in general, and Volker's in particular one can reasonably expect another FUBAR with dire consequences for both US and its clients.

    Nor are they competent in their assessments of the scale of the resources required for “bringing Putin to negotiating table”.

    Following up on an earlier post, I think you are misinterpreting Volker’s objective (and those of his “fellow travelers”). They know very well that Putin won’t “come to the table”, in fact they don’t want him to. What they want is to force him to intervene directly and openly, as in Syria, and then use this “invasion” to justify permanent pariah status for Russia. They don’t care at all what happens to Ukraine, only that Russia is forced to act in a manner that will allow them to demonize it.

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  43. Rurik says:

    They don’t care at all what happens to Ukraine, only that Russia is forced to act in a manner that will allow them to demonize it.

    bingo!

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  44. Mulegino1 says:

    As Volker so trenchantly illustrates, corruption, stupidity, recklessness and ignorance are indispensable prerequisites for the wielding of influence in the Washington D.C. “national security” establishment. It is not so much a swamp as an open sewer.

    Trump should have let the Russian sanctions bill become law without his signature. One of his major weaknesses is his being bedazzled by flag officers and brass. His chief national security adviser is a dead ringer for Aleister Crowley.

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  45. What they want is to force him to intervene directly and openly, as in Syria, and then use this “invasion” to justify permanent pariah status for Russia. They don’t care at all what happens to Ukraine, only that Russia is forced to act in a manner that will allow them to demonize it.

    It would have been a valid point should what you propose as a rationale hasn’t been tried before–to no avail. Russia DOES have a proxy force in LDNR and, if and when necessary, may drastically “improve” its fighting capabilities. Considering the (what’s known) present state of the Ukrainian Army (obviously a “strongest one in Europe(c)”, wink, wink) I think the forces LDNR field currently are enough to prevent Kiev from attempting any large scale offensive. Having said all that, Poroshenko is desperate and he may try anything but political fallout for Russia, if to consider Russia’s direct involvement, which will be very short and very bad for Ukraine, is being increasingly mitigated by Russia’s Asian dynamics. Once Power of Siberia is operational (among other serious infrastructure projects at the Far East)–Europe can go to hell. But I am sure there are more aces and trump cards (no pun intended) up Russia’s “sleeve”. As per demonization: is it possible to demonize even more? I think Clapper has already established the fact that Russians are genetically inferior. So, concentration camps for Russians are in order at some point of time.

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    IMO the Russian turn eastward is an inevitability at this point. The Eurasian powers simply have more to offer each other and more convergent interest than the west offers them. That might have been counteracted had the west strove to offer Russia incentives for closer ties, but they did the exact opposite. The only things I can think of that might counteract that are China's interests in western trade and financial structures - albeit less importantly than 20 or even 10 years ago - and in their developing business relationships with South Korea and Taiwan in spite of the political headwinds.
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  46. @Ludwig Watzal
    Political morons are running the US. Trump is not in control of any of his agencies or departments. All of them are hostile to him not to speak to Congress. which blocks any of his initiatives. What Vice President Mike Pence is talking about his trip in the Baltics or the other US satellite states, is irresponsible. It shows that Trump has lost control that is what the war party and the Republicans want. They will push Trump out of office and if it doesn't work some hired crazy will kill him like JFK. The real political gangsters are the members of the Deep State such as the CIA, NSA, the wider intelligence community, and the Clinton and Obama political mafia.

    The suggestions made by Kurt Volker, the new U.S. Special Representative for Ukraine Negotiations, are just beyond the pale for the Russians. For what Volker suggested, Trump should replace him. President Putin should not accept being fooled by the US any longer and just take the Donbas, period as he did with South Ossetia. If the US war-mongers in Washington want to go to war over Ukraine, they should try it. Putin should not allow the US to blackmail him further on.
    Putin is not an imperialist or an aggressor, but the US Empire and its NATO satellites are.

    Having conquered 75 per cent of the world's territories through over 700 US military bases, the real perpetrator is obvious. Putin should not back down against US aggression and provocation. Why should the US risk its destruction for a corrupt and criminal political leadership in Ukraine? Perhaps there are still some sane people within the Belt Way, although they are thin on the ground.

    “Political morons are running the US. Trump is not in control of any of his agencies or departments. All of them are hostile to him not to speak to Congress.”

    Would you agree with me that this pathetic situation obviously didn’t happen by “accident”? It must be concluded that the Trump “presidency” is a Trojan horse. Trump’s whole campaign was a calculated fraud from the beginning. That is, presidential poseur Trump ran with the intention of turning most general policy decisions, especially foreign policy, over to his Jewish-supremacist handlers, and letting them pick most if not all of his subordinates (or at least letting them have veto power over his choices).

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    Hasn't every president since Johnson been an Israeli/APAIC front man?
    , @Ludwig Watzal
    The Zionist Israel Lobby has been running US Middle Eastern foreign policy since LBJ. Since then, they have expanded their influence continuously.
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  47. What has The Donald got for a ‘good deal swap’ for Afghanistan, ie Putin to pick up where they left-off in the 70s?

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  48. virgile says:

    What is the USA’s Achilleus heel where Russia, Iran or North Korea can inflict it the maximum pain?
    Iraq? Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia? the Gulf countries? Japan? Israel?
    It seems that North Korea already won as Tillerson now strongly denies that the USA is seeking a regime change there. It seems that the threat of nuclear is very effective in making the USA back down. Iran has proven on the ground in Syria that its missiles can easily reach Israel, that is why the USA rushed to inflict new sanctions. The USA seems to be building up a pretext ( or a false flag) to destroy Iran’s missile development capabilities to protect Israel. Is Iran staying idle, or covertly threaten USA’s local allies, the Gulf countries of possible retaliation? The Gulf countries are probably trying to prevent any attack on Iran. Japan did the same about North Korea, resulting in offers of negotiations. Will the Gulf countries have the same weight or the USA will take the chance of an all out war where it would have to intervene militarily again?
    Now Russia will be watching Trump weakening and the neocons taking over. Is it a done game? who will rescue Trump? The American people who voted for him? will the USA fall into a civil war if Trump is threatened of impeachment?
    I trust Trump will reach to the American people and win back his power.

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  49. Alden says:
    @Harold Smith
    "Political morons are running the US. Trump is not in control of any of his agencies or departments. All of them are hostile to him not to speak to Congress."

    Would you agree with me that this pathetic situation obviously didn't happen by "accident"? It must be concluded that the Trump "presidency" is a Trojan horse. Trump's whole campaign was a calculated fraud from the beginning. That is, presidential poseur Trump ran with the intention of turning most general policy decisions, especially foreign policy, over to his Jewish-supremacist handlers, and letting them pick most if not all of his subordinates (or at least letting them have veto power over his choices).

    Hasn’t every president since Johnson been an Israeli/APAIC front man?

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    Hasn’t every president since Johnson been an Israeli/APAIC front man?
     
    technicalities.

    Woodrow Wilson was under control of zionists, most notably, in the person of Louis Brandeis & his claque.

    Franklin D Roosevelt was most certainly under the control of zionists/Jews -- Felix Frankfurter, Bernard Baruch, and the Morgenthaus, pater et fil plus their acolytes and syanim, exerted enormous power over FDR.

    Eisenhower owed most of his power/authority to doing things that pleased zionist/Jewish string-pullers who maneuvered FDR

    as you say, LBJ for sure was more committed to keeping the gawd's chozen happy than to protecting the interests of the American people.

    Based on a review on "The American Empire Project" of a book by Nathan Thrall, titled "The Only Language they Understand," http://americanempireproject.com/blog/the-only-language-they-understand-by-nathan-thrall/ , Jimmy Carter probably did more to turn USA over to the zionists than even LBJ: this is surprising because, as the review notes, Carter initially took a hard line on Israel, demanding early on that Israel halt settlement-building, and arguing forcefully that Palestinians deserved protection of their territorial and all other rights.

    When Carter's other activities vis a vis Jews are correlated with the actions Thrall describes, I think -- should say speculate -- that Carter was out-maneuvered by the zionists: it was Carter who gave Jews the opening to create the holocaust museum in Washington, DC -- in other words, it may be that Carter allowed the Trojan Horse to be rolled through the gates of the USA and to stand at USA's front door.
    The Jews got what they wanted, but Carter's demands were not only ignored, they -- and he -- were cast aside.
    , @Harold Smith
    "Hasn’t every president since Johnson been an Israeli/APAIC front man?"

    Obviously. But the tenor of Ludwig Watzal's post seems to be that Trump, other than perhaps being "weak" or "incompetent" is not at fault.

    I agree with him that technically, Trump probably isn't "in control", but that's apparently what Trump agreed to when he and his handlers set out to defraud all of us.
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  50. @Harold Smith
    "Is President Trump losing control of Russia policy? Has he capitulated to the neocons? [OR ARE WE NOW FORCED TO CONCLUDE THAT TRUMP'S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN WAS A CALCULATED FRAUD FROM THE BEGINNING]?"

    There; I fixed it for you.

    [OR ARE WE NOW FORCED TO CONCLUDE THAT TRUMP'S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN WAS A CALCULATED FRAUD FROM THE BEGINNING]?”

    There; I fixed it for you.

    You certainly did!

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  51. @Michael Kenny
    If I have understood Mr Buchanan's writings correctly, his primary goal is the destruction of the EU, which he sees as a threat to US global hegemony. Putin is merely an American stooge to be used to promote that end in return for which he is to get such reward as the hegemonic US vouchsafes to grant him. The conundrum for the US hegemonists is that if Putin wins in Ukraine, then US global hegemony is irreversibly destroyed but if he loses, the hated EU is enormously strengthened, which in its turn destroys US global hegemony! Heads, the EU wins, tails, the US loses! The argument Mr Buchanan is challenging seems to be that taking Putin out will do less damage to US hegemony than allowing him to win. As for Putin, he has two choices. He can capitulate in return for some face-saving fudge that will fool nobody. That will probably destroy him politically with his elderly Soviet-generation supporters at home. Or he can start WWIII and lose or start WWIII, go nuclear and then lose. That too will destroy him at home. Thus, for US hegemonists who haven't yet accepted that Putin has "blown it" and can no longer serve as a battering ram to destroy the EU (and has, indeed, become a liability to the very US groups that initially backed him), the logical thing is to try to get the US to capitulate to Putin in the mistaken belief the the European members of NATO are incapable of fending off Putin's rickety military machine by themselves. That wholly misunderstands the strength of nationalism in Europe, the very same nationalism that the US hegemonists have been trying to whip up as (yet another!) battering ram to destroy the EU!

    The EU are doing a good job of destroying themselves. If the Central and Eastern countries continue to be bullied over migrants and bad economic deals, then maybe they’ll rightly cut and run.

    USA’s soft-war against Europe was evident right after the 2008 economic bust, with Greece CDS’s being targeted until capitulation. Then Hillary or whomever conned Europe into wrecking Libya, then Ukraine, then Syria, then the wave of migrants began..

    It might sound ridiculous, but I am starting to think Erdogan has been a far better leader than Merkel or the clown car carousel of France. He’s totally ruthless, and has been a supporter of terrorists, but his moves have been somewhat logical in the face of extreme crisis. Now he seems to have oriented Turkey to a relatively solid footing as far as I can see.

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  52. annamaria says:
    @Rurik

    proclaim a temporary protectorate over the Donbas republics of the Ukraine until such time as the Minsk II agreement is fulfilled, or renegotiated to the agreement to the concerned parties
     
    but that all presumes the existence of some adherence to some principle of International Law or respect for such notions. When from the West, there are none anymore. The zio-West now destroys entire nations based on what everyone knows and accepts are blatant lies. The charade is over. Even the trappings of the illusion have been tossed aside, and the snarling zio-face of 'might = right' is now menacing the world.

    A precedent would be the French protectorates...
     
    you're using the language of codified law, when there isn't any anymore

    Russia will retaliate against any artillery, missile, air, or naval attacks on the Donbas using forces located in Russian;
     
    the zio-fiend is salivating for any pretext it can use to act outraged and shocked, shocked! that today it has been proven true! Putin is Adolf Hitler and threatens the world with military tyranny! He must be stopped at all costs! John McCain and Lindsey Graham were right all along!! This man is a menace! and France and Germany and England are joining the ZUSA with immediate calls for Russia to desist and respect International Law and sovereign borders!!

    'THIS WILL NOT STAND!'

    blah, blah, blah

    What Putin should do is tell the West/NATO to stop fomenting war on his borders, and if they really are going to keep pushing until Russia accepts its status as vassal state to Tel Aviv, (like the ZUSA and England and France and Germany obviously are), that before that happens, everyone should know that there's a certain 'shitty little state' in the middle east that can expect to be visited by a couple of Satan II ambassadors before Russia bows down like a mangy dog to the Jewish supremacist$ in Israel.

    The destruction and rape of Ukraine had been planned already by the ZUSA when a previous puppet of US, Yushchenko, was installed in Kiev with the help of the State Dept. and the CIA-supported and educated organizations like The National Endowment for Democracy (NED). http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/08/killing-europe-us-launches-sanctions.html
    “Back in 2010, Russia proposed creating a joint venture with Ukraine and unifying Gazprom’s fields and Ukraine’s gas pipelines. However, the pro-American leadership of Ukraine at the time (when Viktor Yushchenko, who led the country as a result of a color revolution, was president) rejected the project, seeing such as a “threat” to “national dignity”, i.e., Ukraine’s GTS [gas transport system]. … The plan for “increasing Ukraine’s energy security” contained in HR 3364 [concocted in the US] means turning Ukraine into a transit monopolist under the control of American companies. Accepting the Americans’ conditions is economically disadvantageous to Russia and renders it politically dependent on the unpredictable transit that is Ukraine. If this act is implemented, American energy companies will be able to participate in the privatization of Ukraine’s GTS (as provided by the Third Energy Package) and profit off of the transport of gas across Ukrainian territory. Thus, the main revenue from transiting Russian gas would not go to the Ukrainians, but to their overseas overlord.”
    Very clear. The natives can go die out peacefully without making any unnecessary noise re “sovereignty,” “national interests” and other trifles that are of no interests for the US corporations.
    Monsanto is already in charge of the Ukraine’ agricultural lands. Splendid. http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2526593/ukraine_opens_up_for_monsanto_land_grabs_and_gmos.html

    The National Endowment for Democracy (NED) has been chaired by Carl Gershman, the ziocon who has been president since NED was founded in 1983.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article192992.html

    https://journal-neo.org/2015/08/03/national-endowment-for-democracy-is-now-officially-undesirable-in-

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    all true anna

    they've had their devil's tentacles in Ukraine for quite some time

    when you mentioned the word 'trifles', I was reminded of what the Israeli/"Ukrainian" oligarch said about the people on MH17

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TmarLwobzs

    he called their deaths a 'trifle', as he mentions that the wrong plane was shot down. Presumably his merc was sent up to shoot Putin's plane down and he shot the wrong one down (which would explain the machine gun holes).

    this video has been scrubbed from most of the internet, and most of the ones you click on will say 'this video has been removed'
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  53. @Alden
    Hasn't every president since Johnson been an Israeli/APAIC front man?

    Hasn’t every president since Johnson been an Israeli/APAIC front man?

    technicalities.

    Woodrow Wilson was under control of zionists, most notably, in the person of Louis Brandeis & his claque.

    Franklin D Roosevelt was most certainly under the control of zionists/Jews — Felix Frankfurter, Bernard Baruch, and the Morgenthaus, pater et fil plus their acolytes and syanim, exerted enormous power over FDR.

    Eisenhower owed most of his power/authority to doing things that pleased zionist/Jewish string-pullers who maneuvered FDR

    as you say, LBJ for sure was more committed to keeping the gawd’s chozen happy than to protecting the interests of the American people.

    Based on a review on “The American Empire Project” of a book by Nathan Thrall, titled “The Only Language they Understand,” http://americanempireproject.com/blog/the-only-language-they-understand-by-nathan-thrall/ , Jimmy Carter probably did more to turn USA over to the zionists than even LBJ: this is surprising because, as the review notes, Carter initially took a hard line on Israel, demanding early on that Israel halt settlement-building, and arguing forcefully that Palestinians deserved protection of their territorial and all other rights.

    When Carter’s other activities vis a vis Jews are correlated with the actions Thrall describes, I think — should say speculate — that Carter was out-maneuvered by the zionists: it was Carter who gave Jews the opening to create the holocaust museum in Washington, DC — in other words, it may be that Carter allowed the Trojan Horse to be rolled through the gates of the USA and to stand at USA’s front door.
    The Jews got what they wanted, but Carter’s demands were not only ignored, they — and he — were cast aside.

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    Woodrow Wilson was under control of zionists, most notably, in the person of Louis Brandeis & his claque.
     
    Quite the opposite. Woodrow Wilson was under the control of the old banking establishment led by J.P. Morgan who were financing the British war effort. Jews were cool towards the American war party because they were loathe to ally with Russia against Germany, which at the time had the best-off Jewish community in Europe. Henry Ford's partners in his peace project were Jewish. The war party smeared Jews who opposed the march to war as "German agents." The war party dangled the promise of Palestine to get Brandeis and Samuel Untermeyer to influence American Jews to fall into the march towards war.

    Robert Malcolm's declaration supports the opposite thesis from what the Jews-got-us-into-WWI-camp try to use it to claim. Jews were very successfully manipulated by British government and the already-existing American war party.
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  54. @Alden
    Hasn't every president since Johnson been an Israeli/APAIC front man?

    “Hasn’t every president since Johnson been an Israeli/APAIC front man?”

    Obviously. But the tenor of Ludwig Watzal’s post seems to be that Trump, other than perhaps being “weak” or “incompetent” is not at fault.

    I agree with him that technically, Trump probably isn’t “in control”, but that’s apparently what Trump agreed to when he and his handlers set out to defraud all of us.

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  55. annamaria says:

    What made Mueller such a great asset for the deep state?

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/08/comey-and-mueller-russiagates-mythical-heroes/

    “Long before he became FBI Director, serious questions existed about Mueller’s role as Acting U.S. Attorney in Boston in effectively enabling decades of corruption and covering up of the FBI’s illicit deals with mobster Whitey Bulger and other “top echelon” informants who committed numerous murders and crimes. When the truth was finally uncovered through intrepid investigative reporting and persistent, honest judges, U.S. taxpayers footed a $100 million court award to the four men framed for murders committed by (the FBI-operated) Bulger gang…. Mueller’s FBI was also severely criticized by Department of Justice Inspector Generals finding the FBI overstepped the law improperly serving hundreds of thousands of “national security letters” to obtain private (and irrelevant) metadata on citizens, and for infiltrating nonviolent anti-war groups under the guise of investigating “terrorism.”
    Mueller knew that Vice President Dick Cheney’s claims connecting 9/11 to Iraq were bogus yet he remained quiet. Mueller didn’t speak the truth about a war he knew to be unjustified. He didn’t speak out against torture. He didn’t speak out against unconstitutional surveillance. And he didn’t tell the truth about 9/11.
    He is just “their man.”

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  56. EugeneGur says:
    @Quartermaster

    This is a formula for a renewed war, with far higher casualties in Ukraine than the 10,000 dead already suffered on both sides.
     
    last I looked there is already a war. Nothing would be "renewed," as it is ongoing.

    Volker envisions a deepening U.S. involvement in a Ukrainian civil war that can bleed and break Russia’s Ukrainian allies and convince Putin to back down and accept what we regard as a just settlement.
     
    It is not a civil war. That is a Putinist lie. Russian units are already on the ground in the Donbas and their casualties have been quite heavy. Russian troops have been captured, and they were in possession of their military ID and internal passports. "Cargo 200" shipments have been rather heavy over the last 3 years, and parents of the troops killed have been asking about their kids.

    The Ukrainians are willing to fight for themselves. They simply need the tools. Putin may not like the fact that the Ukrainians don't want any part of his renewed Russian Empire, but it need not involve our troops when the people are their are willing to fight.

    You sound like you copied this statement from a Ukrainian propaganda site.

    Sure thing, thousands of Donbass people fighting in the militia do not exists but Russia troops nobody has been able to see or photograph do. I have the utmost respect for the Russian military capabilities but I do not think they’ve developed a clocking device as yet.

    And, of course, going to a secret military mission, you should never forget to bring along you internal passport and military ID. Heavy losses, really? We know people who died in Donbass by name – and they aren’t Russia soldiers. Oh, you forgot about buryats – no picture of the Russia invasion could be complete without byuryat motorized divisions invading Donbass.

    You may not like it but this is a civil war brought about by the idiotic policies of the scumbags the West put in charge of Ukraine. As to the tools, bring them over – they’ll end up in the hands of the Donbass militia in no time. You see, “Ukrainians are willing to fight for themselves” mostly on the pages of Facebook. Those that do go to the Army, mostly do it for money. The situation in today’s Ukraine is so desperate, killing one’s former compatriots is about the only way for a man to make a living.

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  57. Rurik says:
    @annamaria
    The destruction and rape of Ukraine had been planned already by the ZUSA when a previous puppet of US, Yushchenko, was installed in Kiev with the help of the State Dept. and the CIA-supported and educated organizations like The National Endowment for Democracy (NED). http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/08/killing-europe-us-launches-sanctions.html
    "Back in 2010, Russia proposed creating a joint venture with Ukraine and unifying Gazprom’s fields and Ukraine’s gas pipelines. However, the pro-American leadership of Ukraine at the time (when Viktor Yushchenko, who led the country as a result of a color revolution, was president) rejected the project, seeing such as a “threat” to “national dignity”, i.e., Ukraine’s GTS [gas transport system]. ... The plan for “increasing Ukraine’s energy security” contained in HR 3364 [concocted in the US] means turning Ukraine into a transit monopolist under the control of American companies. Accepting the Americans’ conditions is economically disadvantageous to Russia and renders it politically dependent on the unpredictable transit that is Ukraine. If this act is implemented, American energy companies will be able to participate in the privatization of Ukraine’s GTS (as provided by the Third Energy Package) and profit off of the transport of gas across Ukrainian territory. Thus, the main revenue from transiting Russian gas would not go to the Ukrainians, but to their overseas overlord."
    Very clear. The natives can go die out peacefully without making any unnecessary noise re "sovereignty," "national interests" and other trifles that are of no interests for the US corporations.
    Monsanto is already in charge of the Ukraine' agricultural lands. Splendid. http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2526593/ukraine_opens_up_for_monsanto_land_grabs_and_gmos.html

    The National Endowment for Democracy (NED) has been chaired by Carl Gershman, the ziocon who has been president since NED was founded in 1983.
    http://www.voltairenet.org/article192992.html
    https://journal-neo.org/2015/08/03/national-endowment-for-democracy-is-now-officially-undesirable-in-

    all true anna

    they’ve had their devil’s tentacles in Ukraine for quite some time

    when you mentioned the word ‘trifles’, I was reminded of what the Israeli/”Ukrainian” oligarch said about the people on MH17

    he called their deaths a ‘trifle’, as he mentions that the wrong plane was shot down. Presumably his merc was sent up to shoot Putin’s plane down and he shot the wrong one down (which would explain the machine gun holes).

    this video has been scrubbed from most of the internet, and most of the ones you click on will say ‘this video has been removed’

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    The murderous Kolomojsky, a financier of the neo-Nazi Azov Battallion and the criminal Browder, a nasty profiteer who invented the "Magnitsky story" lie, both belong to the worst and also useful scoundrels among the tribe and thus are untouchable.
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  58. yeah says:
    @reiner Tor
    Interestingly, it's never explained why Putin would fear his soldiers being killed before the election if he really was a dictator. Either he doesn't care much for the election or he's not really a dictator.

    Good catch! The pity is that people who have made up their minds (or have had theirs made up for them) about Putin being a dictator will not see the wit and logical beauty of your argument. They are quite likely to write you off as another Russian-stooge and dig in their heels even further. Here is a short farcical satire about our times.
    Good, obedient citizen: Please Guvm’nt, help me. I can’t sleep at night ’cause I fear there may be a red under my bed waiting to choke me to death.
    Guvm’nt: Don’t worry lad. We watch your house, we monitor your mail. We watch you and yours. We know when you pee and we watch who comes in and out of your house. No one can even breathe without our being in the know.
    Good citizen: Ah thank God! Thanks for preventing a red under my bed. I can now sleep in peace.

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  59. annamaria says:
    @Rurik
    all true anna

    they've had their devil's tentacles in Ukraine for quite some time

    when you mentioned the word 'trifles', I was reminded of what the Israeli/"Ukrainian" oligarch said about the people on MH17

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TmarLwobzs

    he called their deaths a 'trifle', as he mentions that the wrong plane was shot down. Presumably his merc was sent up to shoot Putin's plane down and he shot the wrong one down (which would explain the machine gun holes).

    this video has been scrubbed from most of the internet, and most of the ones you click on will say 'this video has been removed'

    The murderous Kolomojsky, a financier of the neo-Nazi Azov Battallion and the criminal Browder, a nasty profiteer who invented the “Magnitsky story” lie, both belong to the worst and also useful scoundrels among the tribe and thus are untouchable.

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  60. MEexpert says:
    @anon
    You are deluded. It's almost hopeless - but one last try- the policy of US global hegemony has nothing to do with Israel. It's been the goal of almost the entire foreign policy elite- including the WASP elite- since 1945. If you mistakenly insist on blaming Israel or its supporters for everything that is happening, you can't identify the real ideas and forces that are propelling us to disaster. That's why anti- Semitisn is such a disabling disease- it mentally cripples those who go down that path. But you won't listen or try to get out, so I'm wasting my breath.

    If you mistakenly insist on blaming Israel or its supporters for everything that is happening, you can’t identify the real ideas and forces that are propelling us to disaster.

    There is no mistake about. The Israel/neocon policy is what has the United States in this mess. As Buchanan once said that the US congress is “Israel occupied” territory. How else do you explain a 98-2 vote to make criticism of Israel a crime with up to 20 years in jail and million dollars in fine. The Middle East policy is a disaster because of Israel controls the foreign policy of the United States.

    That’s why anti- Semitisn is such a disabling disease- it mentally cripples those who go down that path.

    Only the Jews equate anti-Semitisms with anti-Israel or anti-Jew. Semite does not equal Jew. European Jews/Zionists, which control Israel and the US congress are not Semites. Jews have hijacked the term. There are many non-Jewish (Arab and Christian) Semites.

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    Like I've said before continuous war, by others for them, is a Neocon/Zionist's best case scenario and conflict between Russia and America their wet dream!
    I hope Trump reads this and kicks out that Neocon Volker.
    As far as Pence is concernec he is a dupe,d or otherwise, Christan Zionist.
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  61. nsa says:

    60 comments so far and not one detailing how you force the Zio elites to back off……simply go after the jooie head of the snake and threaten Tel Aviv……the Izzies will rein in their lapdogs soon enough. There is at least one clear example……back in the 1950s, Eisenhower threatened to remove all support from the conniving Izzies, who quickly retreated from the Suez Canal along with their lickspittle Brit and Frog subordinates. If the hated Russkies seriously threaten to take out the scheming Izzies……Tel Aviv will quickly yank the leash of their servile lapdogs and call off the Cold War redux. You can send the Nobel peace prize to my PO Box…….

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  62. peterAUS says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    In short, Volker believes giving antitank and antiaircraft missiles to Ukraine will bring Putin to the negotiating table, as he fears the prospect of dead Russian soldiers coming home in caskets before his 2018 election.
     
    1.There are NO cohesive Russian Armed Forces units (formations) in Donbass. Volunteers (aka "vacationers") from regular Russian Army? Sure, they are being paid well, plus Northern Wind. But it seems even Ukrainian Army's top brass admission that there are no Russian troops in Ukraine falls on a deaf ear. Evidently those in the "West" who continue to repeat this baloney have very little understanding of how real wars are fought and how real formations from company up to battalion and regiment level, not to speak of brigades or divisions, are deployed. Per personnel--neither DNR nor LNR have issues with mobilizing numbers.

    2. Volker continues, if that are his real intentions, to demonstrate a complete lack of any strategic vision and following dead beat cliches--which are defining characteristics of D.C. "elites" who are completely removed from everyday realities, which actually matter, of the world. Nor are they competent in their assessments of the scale of the resources required for "bringing Putin to negotiating table". Even giving some Javelins (not to speak of TOWs) and Stinger-type weapons will only accelerate a demise of the Ukrainian Army and with it, of the current Kiev regime. But then again, considering level of US "diplomacy" in general, and Volker's in particular one can reasonably expect another FUBAR with dire consequences for both US and its clients.

    You know, can’t help myself but noticing certain similarities between Donbass and “Republic of Kraina” (I guess that’s the correct name) in conflict in Yugoslavia.
    Of course, there are a lot of differences, but, there are some uncomfortable similarities.

    Or, fate of Tamil Republic, to lesser extent.

    It all hinges on a political will of the regime in Moscow.

    I just can’t see other option, in the world we see as we speak, but the conflict there to escalate.

    West will keep escalating; the question is will the regime in Moscow follow the process. I don’t see Moscow taking the initiative there.

    Donbass survival goes way beyond pure military matters.
    Predicting the outcome based on military capabilities of participants involved is wrong method I think.
    Actually, I believe it could be misleading and/or self-deluding.

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    Of course, there are a lot of differences, but, there are some uncomfortable similarities.
     
    As it is pretty much with many (not all) serious military-political entanglements. The major difference, however, is in the fact of geographic position of Donbass, which has a well controlled border with Russia proper.

    West will keep escalating; the question is will the regime in Moscow follow the process. I don’t see Moscow taking the initiative there.
     
    We'll see what Volker's "escalation" will bring but in terms of initiative, by now Donbass for all intents and purposes is being integrated into Russia--both economically and socially. It is an undeniable fact. West's "escalation" (whatever form it will take in the nearest future) is primarily driven by US desperation (and Europe's imbecility), which also was in the foundation of West's global and catastrophic (for the US) miscalculation on Maidan.

    Predicting the outcome based on military capabilities of participants involved is wrong method I think.
     
    Agree, but in this particular case it is a main driving factor of the events. Moscow is not going to "sell" Donbass. Strategic differences existing on Donbass in Russia's elites are on the method and pace of its incorporation. The question of "selling" it is not on the agenda, bar some fringe "liberal" elements who do not have any influence on formulation of Russia's (foreign) policy and general strategic view of the world.
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  63. MarkinLA says:

    Wisely, George W. Bush ignored McCain and did nothing.

    No but it was GWB’s administration who unwisely gave the Georgian leadership the thinking that the US would back their move and force Russia to back down.

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  64. MarkinLA says:
    @Taras77
    The stupidity of Volker is astonishing but he is in keeping with his neo con associates: ignore the consequences and never be held accountable for disastrous results.

    never be held accountable for disastrous results.

    If only, he will actually be rewarded handsomely for his disastrous results.

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  65. MarkinLA says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    In short, Volker believes giving antitank and antiaircraft missiles to Ukraine will bring Putin to the negotiating table, as he fears the prospect of dead Russian soldiers coming home in caskets before his 2018 election.
     
    1.There are NO cohesive Russian Armed Forces units (formations) in Donbass. Volunteers (aka "vacationers") from regular Russian Army? Sure, they are being paid well, plus Northern Wind. But it seems even Ukrainian Army's top brass admission that there are no Russian troops in Ukraine falls on a deaf ear. Evidently those in the "West" who continue to repeat this baloney have very little understanding of how real wars are fought and how real formations from company up to battalion and regiment level, not to speak of brigades or divisions, are deployed. Per personnel--neither DNR nor LNR have issues with mobilizing numbers.

    2. Volker continues, if that are his real intentions, to demonstrate a complete lack of any strategic vision and following dead beat cliches--which are defining characteristics of D.C. "elites" who are completely removed from everyday realities, which actually matter, of the world. Nor are they competent in their assessments of the scale of the resources required for "bringing Putin to negotiating table". Even giving some Javelins (not to speak of TOWs) and Stinger-type weapons will only accelerate a demise of the Ukrainian Army and with it, of the current Kiev regime. But then again, considering level of US "diplomacy" in general, and Volker's in particular one can reasonably expect another FUBAR with dire consequences for both US and its clients.

    “bringing Putin to negotiating table”.

    Americans have been brainwashed into believing that they have to negotiate from a position of strength. Therefore, Putin has to be in some kind of weaker state (which can never be achieved in this case). I agree with for-the-record that those espousing this policy know it won’t work. This barking is for the consumption of idiots in the US press and to gain the support of the average idiot American.

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  66. KenH says:

    The large brained neocons think they can dust off the anti-Soviet Afghanistan strategy from 1979-88 and ship advanced arms to Ukraine with which to increase casualties among the pro-Russian rebels and eventually Russian soldiers who get sent in. This, the neocon geniuses reason, will work against Putin as the body bags pile up and eventually it will topple his government much like Afghanistan led to the fall of the Soviet Union. Then a pro-Western, pro-Israel cuck will emerge to lead Russia. What could go wrong?

    Recall that the neocons told us that the Iraqis would be grateful that we invaded and throw rose petals at our feet and Iraq would become San Francisco in the Levant. Oh wait, that never happened.

    Also going neocon is Mike Pence. In Georgia this week…

    Looks like Pence is showing off his wares to the neocons and auditioning for the job of president. But Pence was already a neocon and it was a mistake for Trump to pick him. On foreign policy they were the odd couple.

    Pence was another favorite of princess Ivanka which led to his selection as veep from what I recall.

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  67. Thirdeye says:
    @Michael Kenny
    If I have understood Mr Buchanan's writings correctly, his primary goal is the destruction of the EU, which he sees as a threat to US global hegemony. Putin is merely an American stooge to be used to promote that end in return for which he is to get such reward as the hegemonic US vouchsafes to grant him. The conundrum for the US hegemonists is that if Putin wins in Ukraine, then US global hegemony is irreversibly destroyed but if he loses, the hated EU is enormously strengthened, which in its turn destroys US global hegemony! Heads, the EU wins, tails, the US loses! The argument Mr Buchanan is challenging seems to be that taking Putin out will do less damage to US hegemony than allowing him to win. As for Putin, he has two choices. He can capitulate in return for some face-saving fudge that will fool nobody. That will probably destroy him politically with his elderly Soviet-generation supporters at home. Or he can start WWIII and lose or start WWIII, go nuclear and then lose. That too will destroy him at home. Thus, for US hegemonists who haven't yet accepted that Putin has "blown it" and can no longer serve as a battering ram to destroy the EU (and has, indeed, become a liability to the very US groups that initially backed him), the logical thing is to try to get the US to capitulate to Putin in the mistaken belief the the European members of NATO are incapable of fending off Putin's rickety military machine by themselves. That wholly misunderstands the strength of nationalism in Europe, the very same nationalism that the US hegemonists have been trying to whip up as (yet another!) battering ram to destroy the EU!

    “…..Putin’s rickety military machine….”

    How much would you be willing to bet on that assessment? The days when the west could smugly view its qualitative edge against the mighty but technologically backwards and unwieldy Soviet bloc forces are long gone. Ironically the old roles are now reversed. It is the west’s forces that have a readiness deficit that undermines their theoretical strength.

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  68. Z-man says:
    @MEexpert

    If you mistakenly insist on blaming Israel or its supporters for everything that is happening, you can’t identify the real ideas and forces that are propelling us to disaster.
     
    There is no mistake about. The Israel/neocon policy is what has the United States in this mess. As Buchanan once said that the US congress is "Israel occupied" territory. How else do you explain a 98-2 vote to make criticism of Israel a crime with up to 20 years in jail and million dollars in fine. The Middle East policy is a disaster because of Israel controls the foreign policy of the United States.

    That’s why anti- Semitisn is such a disabling disease- it mentally cripples those who go down that path.
     
    Only the Jews equate anti-Semitisms with anti-Israel or anti-Jew. Semite does not equal Jew. European Jews/Zionists, which control Israel and the US congress are not Semites. Jews have hijacked the term. There are many non-Jewish (Arab and Christian) Semites.

    Like I’ve said before continuous war, by others for them, is a Neocon/Zionist’s best case scenario and conflict between Russia and America their wet dream!
    I hope Trump reads this and kicks out that Neocon Volker.
    As far as Pence is concernec he is a dupe,d or otherwise, Christan Zionist.

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    As far as Pence is concernec he is a dupe,d or otherwise, Christan Zionist.
     
    I firmly believe that Pence was a neocon plant. I have never heard a Vice-President setting up his own PAC during the first term of a sitting president and lining up donors. He knows something we don't, i.e. Trump is going to be either impeached or declared incapable of serving. Pence is getting ready for whatever the come. Too bad Trump can't fire him.
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  69. Thirdeye says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    What they want is to force him to intervene directly and openly, as in Syria, and then use this “invasion” to justify permanent pariah status for Russia. They don’t care at all what happens to Ukraine, only that Russia is forced to act in a manner that will allow them to demonize it.
     
    It would have been a valid point should what you propose as a rationale hasn't been tried before--to no avail. Russia DOES have a proxy force in LDNR and, if and when necessary, may drastically "improve" its fighting capabilities. Considering the (what's known) present state of the Ukrainian Army (obviously a "strongest one in Europe(c)", wink, wink) I think the forces LDNR field currently are enough to prevent Kiev from attempting any large scale offensive. Having said all that, Poroshenko is desperate and he may try anything but political fallout for Russia, if to consider Russia's direct involvement, which will be very short and very bad for Ukraine, is being increasingly mitigated by Russia's Asian dynamics. Once Power of Siberia is operational (among other serious infrastructure projects at the Far East)--Europe can go to hell. But I am sure there are more aces and trump cards (no pun intended) up Russia's "sleeve". As per demonization: is it possible to demonize even more? I think Clapper has already established the fact that Russians are genetically inferior. So, concentration camps for Russians are in order at some point of time.

    IMO the Russian turn eastward is an inevitability at this point. The Eurasian powers simply have more to offer each other and more convergent interest than the west offers them. That might have been counteracted had the west strove to offer Russia incentives for closer ties, but they did the exact opposite. The only things I can think of that might counteract that are China’s interests in western trade and financial structures – albeit less importantly than 20 or even 10 years ago – and in their developing business relationships with South Korea and Taiwan in spite of the political headwinds.

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  70. Art says:

    The Journal’s answer: Our goal is to bleed Russia.

    Why do we want to bleed 100,000,000 people? What’s in it for us? The answer is NOTHING!

    What ideology demands that we do this? The answer is the 15,000,000 strong secret Jew Matrix. The bywords of the Jew Matrix are “by deception we make war.” Clearly, the Wall Street Journal is Matrix.

    This secret Matrix is never named – it is hidden in words like “neocon” and “Deep State.”

    There are Schumer’s and McCain’s in the Matrix – Jews and some Gentiles – but the secret Matrix works for the benefit of rich Jews and Israel.

    The above is 100% true.

    If we want peace in this century – we must speak up for it – PERIOD.

    Peace — Art

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  71. Thirdeye says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Hasn’t every president since Johnson been an Israeli/APAIC front man?
     
    technicalities.

    Woodrow Wilson was under control of zionists, most notably, in the person of Louis Brandeis & his claque.

    Franklin D Roosevelt was most certainly under the control of zionists/Jews -- Felix Frankfurter, Bernard Baruch, and the Morgenthaus, pater et fil plus their acolytes and syanim, exerted enormous power over FDR.

    Eisenhower owed most of his power/authority to doing things that pleased zionist/Jewish string-pullers who maneuvered FDR

    as you say, LBJ for sure was more committed to keeping the gawd's chozen happy than to protecting the interests of the American people.

    Based on a review on "The American Empire Project" of a book by Nathan Thrall, titled "The Only Language they Understand," http://americanempireproject.com/blog/the-only-language-they-understand-by-nathan-thrall/ , Jimmy Carter probably did more to turn USA over to the zionists than even LBJ: this is surprising because, as the review notes, Carter initially took a hard line on Israel, demanding early on that Israel halt settlement-building, and arguing forcefully that Palestinians deserved protection of their territorial and all other rights.

    When Carter's other activities vis a vis Jews are correlated with the actions Thrall describes, I think -- should say speculate -- that Carter was out-maneuvered by the zionists: it was Carter who gave Jews the opening to create the holocaust museum in Washington, DC -- in other words, it may be that Carter allowed the Trojan Horse to be rolled through the gates of the USA and to stand at USA's front door.
    The Jews got what they wanted, but Carter's demands were not only ignored, they -- and he -- were cast aside.

    Woodrow Wilson was under control of zionists, most notably, in the person of Louis Brandeis & his claque.

    Quite the opposite. Woodrow Wilson was under the control of the old banking establishment led by J.P. Morgan who were financing the British war effort. Jews were cool towards the American war party because they were loathe to ally with Russia against Germany, which at the time had the best-off Jewish community in Europe. Henry Ford’s partners in his peace project were Jewish. The war party smeared Jews who opposed the march to war as “German agents.” The war party dangled the promise of Palestine to get Brandeis and Samuel Untermeyer to influence American Jews to fall into the march towards war.

    Robert Malcolm’s declaration supports the opposite thesis from what the Jews-got-us-into-WWI-camp try to use it to claim. Jews were very successfully manipulated by British government and the already-existing American war party.

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    Interesting. So we have several competing theories on the roles of Jews in WWI. Too bad we won't know which one is true because all "historians" and "theoreticians" who deal with the issue of Jewish role in anything are way out from the respectable mainstream. So the line is drawn between the semi official Jewish apologists and yahoo historians publishing on Youtube.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    & utu @ 4. https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-trumps-russia-policy-being-hijacked/#comment-1956449

    & Thirdeye @76 https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-trumps-russia-policy-being-hijacked/#comment-1956637


    It is true that there were strenuous debates between competing Jewish camps -- a kind of Guelph vs Ghibbiline, Sunni vs Shiite divide, pitting German Jews/anti-Zionist camp vs East European Jews/pro-Zionist camp.
    Thus, I believe it is useful and accurate to study the era of the world wars as an extended Jewish civil war; whether Jews drew the various European (and US) states into their war, or Jews carried on their civil war in the chaotic vacuum of European states in conflict is deserving of further study: given that Jews held decisive positions in each and every of the precipitating conflicts, from the Franco-Prussian war to Dreyfus to the Russo-Japanese war to the (October) Russian Revolution to turmoil in the Ottoman empire to the major role played by Jews in prolonging WWI, to the massive role of Jews at Versailles, to the role of Jews in Weimar, and even the extensive role Jews played in the evolution of the NSDAP (not least by St. Leo of Strauss, neocon godlet) ; and even more convincingly, that Jews were major benefactors of most of those debacle, while losing the fewest in lives and the least in forces/resources/treasure deployed --- all that considered, I have to conclude that Jews were not merely along for the ride, they were actively managing events for the benefit of Jewish interests.

    There is so very much evidence that pro-zionist Jews prevailed, and that it was they who brought Jewish influence to bear on decision makers in Britain and in USA and not the other way around, that it's impossible to grant that Untermeyer & Brandeis were "manipulated" by the British, or that J P Morgan played so large a role, or that anti-war Jews supported Henry Ford -- an astonishing claim! or that Jews were pushed by any one other than Other Jews to draw USA into WWI -- and WWII.

    Here are a very few of the sources I rely upon:


    A 700-page book titled "The Balfour Declaration," by Leonard Stein. Stein was Chaim Weizmann's friend and colleague in Weizmann's deliberate activities to insinuate himself inside Britain's inner circle in the pre- and WWI period, with the specific goal of obtaining Palestine as a "homeland for Jews."
    Stein recounts that Weizmann made the assessment that the British would prevail in a looming contest between Britain and Germany, so he took his show to London and, in tandem with Baron Rothschild, set about influencing British decision makers, using a 3-part assessment of 'relative antisemitism'. Weizmann judged that Lord Alfred Balfour was most susceptible to exploitation on the basis of his concealed 'antisemitism;' Weizmann achieved his goals.
    (After I came across an extensive review of Stein's book in a 1960-ish volume of Commentary, I purchased the book. At that time, I was also able to access two slim volumes that Stein produced early in 1917 to make the case that "Jews were being persecuted." Those volumes are no longer on the shelves of the public library, but I had photocopied multiple pages from the volumes.)

    As we know, the Balfour Declaration was addressed to Baron Rothschild. The combined wealth and influence of the Rothschild and Warburg banking houses made J P Morgan look like Bailey Bros Building and Loan. Sam Untermeyer is an extremely interesting case: he played both sides of numerous enormous issues -- he was a major funder of Roosevelt in New York state and national politics; he was legal counsel to the Pugo Committee; he represented the Ottoman sultan's heirs in their claim to oil fields in Mesopotamia; he was "Hitler's bitterest foe," and he worked zealously to support the zionist project.





    In "The Transfer Agreement," author Edwin Black records that "Zionist Jews achieved a dual victory at Versailles: they acquired a homeland for Jews in Palestine and affirmation of Jewish rights in [European] states where Jews dwelt."

    In Scott Anderson's journalistic tour d'force on the activities of "Lawrence in Arabia," the dual- and triple-spying activities of Aaron Aaronsohn, his sisters/brothers and the NILI terror network they established, aided by sister Rivka Aaronsohn's lover and fanatic terror gang leader Absolom Feinberg; Chaim Weizmann and his "black sheep" sister Fanny Weizmann, are detailed: they all acted on behalf of the zionists intent on claiming Palestine for Jews. At times they acted against British and for German or Ottoman interests, or switched when the situation demanded, but never, not at any point were they anything but pro-Jewish zionists.

    Alison Weir has described the role played by Louis Brandeis in using his position in the US government structure to the advantage of Jewish - zionist interests in "Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel" http://www.unz.com/article/review-against-our-better-judgment/

    One last, obscure source:

    While on the Supreme Court, Louis Brandeis played fast and loose with numerous American institutions and legal precedents. After a stint as attorney general, James Clark McReynolds sat on the same Supreme Court and was not shy about registering his displeasure with what he considered Brandeis's counter-American stance. For this, McReynolds was branded an "antisemite" ( hard as that is to imagine) and his legacy all but erased from memory.

    But not entirely erased.

    In an effort to revitalize and correct their progenitor's legacy, Ann McReynolds Bush and Cornelia Wendell Bush have published Executive Disorder: The Subversion of the United States Supreme Court, 1914-1940, and

    James Clark McReynolds: Defender of the Constitution.

    In summ, Thirdeye, your version of events may be what you experienced or were told by elders who resisted the zionist steamroller. But a steamroller it was, and it crushed many millions of people and is still flattening resistance.

    But the facts and evidence are all around: Jews at the highest level used the government institutions of numerous peoples against their better judgment to achieve zionist aims, and they are still doing so.
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  72. Ximenes says:

    “The point of lethal aid is to raise the price Mr. Putin pays for his imperialism until he withdraws or agrees to peace. … The Russians don’t want dead soldiers arriving home before next year’s presidential election.”

    Yes, that worked so well for Napoleon in 1812. WSJ editors should pick up a copy of Tolstoy’s War and Peace, or maybe just google the battle of Borodino.

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  73. Art says:

    “The U.S. Pentagon and State Department have devised plans to supply Ukraine with antitank missiles and other weaponry and are seeking White House approval … as Kiev battles Russia-backed separatists … Defense Secretary Mattis has endorsed the plan.”

    There is no other way to see this, but that the US generals and US diplomats for some unexplainable reason, want the killing to proceed. They want a war between Russia and the Ukraine. Why?

    Quote the Wall Street Journal, “we want to bleed Russia.”

    A hot war depends on one person – Trump.

    Hmm – what about “elected Trump” and the desires of the people who voted for him. Is “elected Trump” going to listen to his words and the people who elected him – or to the “neocon Deep State” (i.e., the secret Jew Matrix).

    Like the people who voted for him, Trump is a true believer in America – he is a patriot who has strong feelings for the military. But like those who voted for him, he questions the necessity of all these wars.

    He has wisely shut down the CIA in Syria. He wants to fire the top general in Afghanistan because we are losing the war there. The point is that he is questioning the secrete Jew Matrix agenda.

    Let us hope he does the same here. The is NO good reason to start a Russia/Ukraine war – PERIOD.

    Peace — Art

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  74. utu says:
    @Thirdeye

    Woodrow Wilson was under control of zionists, most notably, in the person of Louis Brandeis & his claque.
     
    Quite the opposite. Woodrow Wilson was under the control of the old banking establishment led by J.P. Morgan who were financing the British war effort. Jews were cool towards the American war party because they were loathe to ally with Russia against Germany, which at the time had the best-off Jewish community in Europe. Henry Ford's partners in his peace project were Jewish. The war party smeared Jews who opposed the march to war as "German agents." The war party dangled the promise of Palestine to get Brandeis and Samuel Untermeyer to influence American Jews to fall into the march towards war.

    Robert Malcolm's declaration supports the opposite thesis from what the Jews-got-us-into-WWI-camp try to use it to claim. Jews were very successfully manipulated by British government and the already-existing American war party.

    Interesting. So we have several competing theories on the roles of Jews in WWI. Too bad we won’t know which one is true because all “historians” and “theoreticians” who deal with the issue of Jewish role in anything are way out from the respectable mainstream. So the line is drawn between the semi official Jewish apologists and yahoo historians publishing on Youtube.

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    It's a debate in which intellectual honesty is in short supply. We tend to forget that the self-selection of Jews who emigrated to the US tended to be the more secular-minded ones. To them, the power structures within the shtetls were as stifling as the power structures outside of them. They didn't want Medievally-minded fuckers telling them how to be Jewish or to be told that after crossing an ocean their "homeland" was really somewhere else.
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  75. fnn says:

    Assange says Mueller is “dirty cop”:

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  76. Thirdeye says:
    @utu
    Interesting. So we have several competing theories on the roles of Jews in WWI. Too bad we won't know which one is true because all "historians" and "theoreticians" who deal with the issue of Jewish role in anything are way out from the respectable mainstream. So the line is drawn between the semi official Jewish apologists and yahoo historians publishing on Youtube.

    It’s a debate in which intellectual honesty is in short supply. We tend to forget that the self-selection of Jews who emigrated to the US tended to be the more secular-minded ones. To them, the power structures within the shtetls were as stifling as the power structures outside of them. They didn’t want Medievally-minded fuckers telling them how to be Jewish or to be told that after crossing an ocean their “homeland” was really somewhere else.

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    I'm sure your last sentence is right. But where is the reconciliation with dangling "the promise of Palestine to Brandeis and Untermeyer to influence etc" as you no doubt correctly put it earlier.
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  77. MEexpert says:
    @Z-man
    Like I've said before continuous war, by others for them, is a Neocon/Zionist's best case scenario and conflict between Russia and America their wet dream!
    I hope Trump reads this and kicks out that Neocon Volker.
    As far as Pence is concernec he is a dupe,d or otherwise, Christan Zionist.

    As far as Pence is concernec he is a dupe,d or otherwise, Christan Zionist.

    I firmly believe that Pence was a neocon plant. I have never heard a Vice-President setting up his own PAC during the first term of a sitting president and lining up donors. He knows something we don’t, i.e. Trump is going to be either impeached or declared incapable of serving. Pence is getting ready for whatever the come. Too bad Trump can’t fire him.

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    Yeah, Pence is right out of the plot of 'The Manchurian Candidate'. Cool, with a cold sometimes blank stare, and with the same goals, however twisted, as the Neocons and their/his zealot cause. He was good for Trump in the campaign as he destroyed Clinton's VP pick Tim Kaine and shored up Trumps base but that boat has sailed. Ah if only Trump could fire him he should, he concerns me. But his replacement could be worse!
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  78. @Harold Smith
    "Political morons are running the US. Trump is not in control of any of his agencies or departments. All of them are hostile to him not to speak to Congress."

    Would you agree with me that this pathetic situation obviously didn't happen by "accident"? It must be concluded that the Trump "presidency" is a Trojan horse. Trump's whole campaign was a calculated fraud from the beginning. That is, presidential poseur Trump ran with the intention of turning most general policy decisions, especially foreign policy, over to his Jewish-supremacist handlers, and letting them pick most if not all of his subordinates (or at least letting them have veto power over his choices).

    The Zionist Israel Lobby has been running US Middle Eastern foreign policy since LBJ. Since then, they have expanded their influence continuously.

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    "The Zionist Israel Lobby has been running US Middle Eastern foreign policy since LBJ Woodrow Wilson. Since then, they have expanded their influence continuously."

    fify
    , @Harold Smith
    Indeed they have.

    The question is: Was Trump's whole campaign a calculated fraud from the beginning, making Trump nothing but a traitorous Trojan horse, as I believe?

    Or is Trump actually a "good guy", one of "us" who's just in over his head, fighting a losing battle, trying to do what's good for America but being beaten down by the Jew lobby, as you clearly imply?
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  79. Z-man says:
    @MEexpert

    As far as Pence is concernec he is a dupe,d or otherwise, Christan Zionist.
     
    I firmly believe that Pence was a neocon plant. I have never heard a Vice-President setting up his own PAC during the first term of a sitting president and lining up donors. He knows something we don't, i.e. Trump is going to be either impeached or declared incapable of serving. Pence is getting ready for whatever the come. Too bad Trump can't fire him.

    Yeah, Pence is right out of the plot of ‘The Manchurian Candidate’. Cool, with a cold sometimes blank stare, and with the same goals, however twisted, as the Neocons and their/his zealot cause. He was good for Trump in the campaign as he destroyed Clinton’s VP pick Tim Kaine and shored up Trumps base but that boat has sailed. Ah if only Trump could fire him he should, he concerns me. But his replacement could be worse!

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    "Like I’ve said before continuous war, by others for them, is a Neocon/Zionist’s best case scenario and conflict between Russia and America their wet dream!"

    No, it is a pipe dream regarding a nuclear showdown between Russia and America.

    "He was good for Trump in the campaign as he destroyed Clinton’s VP pick Tim Kaine and shored up Trumps base but that boat has sailed. Ah if only Trump could fire him he should, he concerns me."

    In essence, it is all about using people to get what they want, similar to how the Jews use "normies" for their own purposes. How Zionist of you!

    Praytell, what happened to your blog?
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  80. Corvinus says:
    @Z-man
    Yeah, Pence is right out of the plot of 'The Manchurian Candidate'. Cool, with a cold sometimes blank stare, and with the same goals, however twisted, as the Neocons and their/his zealot cause. He was good for Trump in the campaign as he destroyed Clinton's VP pick Tim Kaine and shored up Trumps base but that boat has sailed. Ah if only Trump could fire him he should, he concerns me. But his replacement could be worse!

    “Like I’ve said before continuous war, by others for them, is a Neocon/Zionist’s best case scenario and conflict between Russia and America their wet dream!”

    No, it is a pipe dream regarding a nuclear showdown between Russia and America.

    “He was good for Trump in the campaign as he destroyed Clinton’s VP pick Tim Kaine and shored up Trumps base but that boat has sailed. Ah if only Trump could fire him he should, he concerns me.”

    In essence, it is all about using people to get what they want, similar to how the Jews use “normies” for their own purposes. How Zionist of you!

    Praytell, what happened to your blog?

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  81. seward says:
    @Rurik

    proclaim a temporary protectorate over the Donbas republics of the Ukraine until such time as the Minsk II agreement is fulfilled, or renegotiated to the agreement to the concerned parties
     
    but that all presumes the existence of some adherence to some principle of International Law or respect for such notions. When from the West, there are none anymore. The zio-West now destroys entire nations based on what everyone knows and accepts are blatant lies. The charade is over. Even the trappings of the illusion have been tossed aside, and the snarling zio-face of 'might = right' is now menacing the world.

    A precedent would be the French protectorates...
     
    you're using the language of codified law, when there isn't any anymore

    Russia will retaliate against any artillery, missile, air, or naval attacks on the Donbas using forces located in Russian;
     
    the zio-fiend is salivating for any pretext it can use to act outraged and shocked, shocked! that today it has been proven true! Putin is Adolf Hitler and threatens the world with military tyranny! He must be stopped at all costs! John McCain and Lindsey Graham were right all along!! This man is a menace! and France and Germany and England are joining the ZUSA with immediate calls for Russia to desist and respect International Law and sovereign borders!!

    'THIS WILL NOT STAND!'

    blah, blah, blah

    What Putin should do is tell the West/NATO to stop fomenting war on his borders, and if they really are going to keep pushing until Russia accepts its status as vassal state to Tel Aviv, (like the ZUSA and England and France and Germany obviously are), that before that happens, everyone should know that there's a certain 'shitty little state' in the middle east that can expect to be visited by a couple of Satan II ambassadors before Russia bows down like a mangy dog to the Jewish supremacist$ in Israel.

    A “protectorate” is only a cover name, for PR purposes. (Soft power, if you will.) Russia has become a great power again, and should act as one. It has the power to impose its will over the Donbas, for the protection and benefit of its fellow Russian speakers, and should do so. It should create its own reality here, as it did in the Crimea. IMHO that would stabilize the situation and result in peace. Then Russia could get on with integrating the Donbas with itself economically and via passports, until it could be done juridically.

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    It has the power to impose its will over the Donbas, for the protection and benefit of its fellow Russian speakers, and should do so. It should create its own reality here, as it did in the Crimea. IMHO that would stabilize the situation and result in peace.
     
    I agree and I don't agree

    the Fiend is drooling for any pretext it can use to start a proxy war with Russia, and they already have the quislings in place in Kyiv for just that purpose. The stooges in Kyiv are begging the ZUS congress for anti-tank weapons and other assorted weapons of belligerence.

    They'd be happy to go to war with Russia, even tho it'd be suicidal. They really are that dumb.

    So Putin is walking a razor's edge, as he assists the ethnic Russians in the east and used diplomacy and pressure to prevent a full scale war, which is exactly what NATO/International banksters/zio-fiends are all salivating for.

    Nothing would make John McCain happier that to see Russia send tanks into Donbas
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  82. Zzz says:

    What is most erm funny in all this talk about more russian corpses is it seems no one is concerned in amount of ukrainian corpses (in the end they are same nonhumans as russians). It shows cynical hypocrisy of all this fuss around, no one give a fuck about ukraine, it’s all about Russia.
    By the way – “if we kill lot of russians it will bring Putin down” (if this is the idea, not just kill more russians for the sake of) is most idiotic idea so far.

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  83. annamaria says:

    The US’ “most moral” decay: http://thesaker.is/syrian-war-report-august-4-2017-army-sdf-boost-cooperation-set-up-joint-operations-room/
    From comment section: “The ‘Blackwater Four’, the group of American mercenaries responsible for one of the worst crimes against Humanity in Iraq after Blair’s invasion, have just been effectively pardoned by a US appeals court.
    One day in Iraq, while posing as a security detail, these four decided to shoot up a street of innocent children, women, and men, for the fun of it. Many many Iraqi civilians were murdered. Far more were maimed for life. So egregious was the atrocity, even the quisling Iraq ‘government’ was forced to demand action. Years after 2007, a US court gave the four the lightest possible punishment given the gravity of their crime. But even so, senior US politicians, including Hillary Clinton, promised the families of the butchers that they shouldn’t worry because before any of them saw time in a prison cell, they’d ensure the convictions were thrown out.
    The neo-liberals and neo-cons (the Obama/Clinton/Blair faction and the Bush/McCain faction) will be rejoicing that they’ve finally got their Blackwater butchers off the hook. May and Merkel and Macron will be contacting their American colleagues to congratulate them on protecting their ‘own’. America now defines a person in their homeland who fights against US invaders as a ‘criminal’ and/or terrorist. … A British man whose only crime was driving an ambulance in Novorussia was given a prison term in a UK court that means he will spend more time in prison than that served by the soldiers responsible for My Lai and the mercenaries responsible for the holocaust in Iraq combined.”

    We live in a time when war criminals are obvious thanks to IT – think Tony Blair the Pious Catholic, who should have been excommunicated for his crimes against humanity a decade ago. There are children and grandchildren of the major war criminals — the young Bushes, Cheneys, Obamas, Clintons, Blairs, and the issue of the whole Jewish Lobby — who will be living with s stain of being a progeny of the modern-day mass murderers. If they have a chance to living at all — since their bloody family members want money & power by any means, including the destruction of the planet.

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  84. Z-man says:
    @Corvinus
    "Like I’ve said before continuous war, by others for them, is a Neocon/Zionist’s best case scenario and conflict between Russia and America their wet dream!"

    No, it is a pipe dream regarding a nuclear showdown between Russia and America.

    "He was good for Trump in the campaign as he destroyed Clinton’s VP pick Tim Kaine and shored up Trumps base but that boat has sailed. Ah if only Trump could fire him he should, he concerns me."

    In essence, it is all about using people to get what they want, similar to how the Jews use "normies" for their own purposes. How Zionist of you!

    Praytell, what happened to your blog?

    You got the wrong guy, bub.

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  85. @Thirdeye

    Woodrow Wilson was under control of zionists, most notably, in the person of Louis Brandeis & his claque.
     
    Quite the opposite. Woodrow Wilson was under the control of the old banking establishment led by J.P. Morgan who were financing the British war effort. Jews were cool towards the American war party because they were loathe to ally with Russia against Germany, which at the time had the best-off Jewish community in Europe. Henry Ford's partners in his peace project were Jewish. The war party smeared Jews who opposed the march to war as "German agents." The war party dangled the promise of Palestine to get Brandeis and Samuel Untermeyer to influence American Jews to fall into the march towards war.

    Robert Malcolm's declaration supports the opposite thesis from what the Jews-got-us-into-WWI-camp try to use it to claim. Jews were very successfully manipulated by British government and the already-existing American war party.

    & utu @ 4. https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-trumps-russia-policy-being-hijacked/#comment-1956449

    & Thirdeye @76 https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-trumps-russia-policy-being-hijacked/#comment-1956637

    It is true that there were strenuous debates between competing Jewish camps — a kind of Guelph vs Ghibbiline, Sunni vs Shiite divide, pitting German Jews/anti-Zionist camp vs East European Jews/pro-Zionist camp.
    Thus, I believe it is useful and accurate to study the era of the world wars as an extended Jewish civil war; whether Jews drew the various European (and US) states into their war, or Jews carried on their civil war in the chaotic vacuum of European states in conflict is deserving of further study: given that Jews held decisive positions in each and every of the precipitating conflicts, from the Franco-Prussian war to Dreyfus to the Russo-Japanese war to the (October) Russian Revolution to turmoil in the Ottoman empire to the major role played by Jews in prolonging WWI, to the massive role of Jews at Versailles, to the role of Jews in Weimar, and even the extensive role Jews played in the evolution of the NSDAP (not least by St. Leo of Strauss, neocon godlet) ; and even more convincingly, that Jews were major benefactors of most of those debacle, while losing the fewest in lives and the least in forces/resources/treasure deployed — all that considered, I have to conclude that Jews were not merely along for the ride, they were actively managing events for the benefit of Jewish interests.

    There is so very much evidence that pro-zionist Jews prevailed, and that it was they who brought Jewish influence to bear on decision makers in Britain and in USA and not the other way around, that it’s impossible to grant that Untermeyer & Brandeis were “manipulated” by the British, or that J P Morgan played so large a role, or that anti-war Jews supported Henry Ford — an astonishing claim! or that Jews were pushed by any one other than Other Jews to draw USA into WWI — and WWII.

    Here are a very few of the sources I rely upon:

    A 700-page book titled “The Balfour Declaration,” by Leonard Stein. Stein was Chaim Weizmann’s friend and colleague in Weizmann’s deliberate activities to insinuate himself inside Britain’s inner circle in the pre- and WWI period, with the specific goal of obtaining Palestine as a “homeland for Jews.”
    Stein recounts that Weizmann made the assessment that the British would prevail in a looming contest between Britain and Germany, so he took his show to London and, in tandem with Baron Rothschild, set about influencing British decision makers, using a 3-part assessment of ‘relative antisemitism’. Weizmann judged that Lord Alfred Balfour was most susceptible to exploitation on the basis of his concealed ‘antisemitism;’ Weizmann achieved his goals.
    (After I came across an extensive review of Stein’s book in a 1960-ish volume of Commentary, I purchased the book. At that time, I was also able to access two slim volumes that Stein produced early in 1917 to make the case that “Jews were being persecuted.” Those volumes are no longer on the shelves of the public library, but I had photocopied multiple pages from the volumes.)

    As we know, the Balfour Declaration was addressed to Baron Rothschild. The combined wealth and influence of the Rothschild and Warburg banking houses made J P Morgan look like Bailey Bros Building and Loan. Sam Untermeyer is an extremely interesting case: he played both sides of numerous enormous issues — he was a major funder of Roosevelt in New York state and national politics; he was legal counsel to the Pugo Committee; he represented the Ottoman sultan’s heirs in their claim to oil fields in Mesopotamia; he was “Hitler’s bitterest foe,” and he worked zealously to support the zionist project.

    In “The Transfer Agreement,” author Edwin Black records that “Zionist Jews achieved a dual victory at Versailles: they acquired a homeland for Jews in Palestine and affirmation of Jewish rights in [European] states where Jews dwelt.”

    In Scott Anderson’s journalistic tour d’force on the activities of “Lawrence in Arabia,” the dual- and triple-spying activities of Aaron Aaronsohn, his sisters/brothers and the NILI terror network they established, aided by sister Rivka Aaronsohn’s lover and fanatic terror gang leader Absolom Feinberg; Chaim Weizmann and his “black sheep” sister Fanny Weizmann, are detailed: they all acted on behalf of the zionists intent on claiming Palestine for Jews. At times they acted against British and for German or Ottoman interests, or switched when the situation demanded, but never, not at any point were they anything but pro-Jewish zionists.

    Alison Weir has described the role played by Louis Brandeis in using his position in the US government structure to the advantage of Jewish – zionist interests in “Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel” http://www.unz.com/article/review-against-our-better-judgment/

    One last, obscure source:

    While on the Supreme Court, Louis Brandeis played fast and loose with numerous American institutions and legal precedents. After a stint as attorney general, James Clark McReynolds sat on the same Supreme Court and was not shy about registering his displeasure with what he considered Brandeis’s counter-American stance. For this, McReynolds was branded an “antisemite” ( hard as that is to imagine) and his legacy all but erased from memory.

    But not entirely erased.

    In an effort to revitalize and correct their progenitor’s legacy, Ann McReynolds Bush and Cornelia Wendell Bush have published Executive Disorder: The Subversion of the United States Supreme Court, 1914-1940, and

    James Clark McReynolds: Defender of the Constitution.

    In summ, Thirdeye, your version of events may be what you experienced or were told by elders who resisted the zionist steamroller. But a steamroller it was, and it crushed many millions of people and is still flattening resistance.

    But the facts and evidence are all around: Jews at the highest level used the government institutions of numerous peoples against their better judgment to achieve zionist aims, and they are still doing so.

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    Thanks. Very useful.
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  86. @Ludwig Watzal
    The Zionist Israel Lobby has been running US Middle Eastern foreign policy since LBJ. Since then, they have expanded their influence continuously.

    “The Zionist Israel Lobby has been running US Middle Eastern foreign policy since LBJ Woodrow Wilson. Since then, they have expanded their influence continuously.”

    fify

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  87. Rurik says:
    @seward
    A "protectorate" is only a cover name, for PR purposes. (Soft power, if you will.) Russia has become a great power again, and should act as one. It has the power to impose its will over the Donbas, for the protection and benefit of its fellow Russian speakers, and should do so. It should create its own reality here, as it did in the Crimea. IMHO that would stabilize the situation and result in peace. Then Russia could get on with integrating the Donbas with itself economically and via passports, until it could be done juridically.

    It has the power to impose its will over the Donbas, for the protection and benefit of its fellow Russian speakers, and should do so. It should create its own reality here, as it did in the Crimea. IMHO that would stabilize the situation and result in peace.

    I agree and I don’t agree

    the Fiend is drooling for any pretext it can use to start a proxy war with Russia, and they already have the quislings in place in Kyiv for just that purpose. The stooges in Kyiv are begging the ZUS congress for anti-tank weapons and other assorted weapons of belligerence.

    They’d be happy to go to war with Russia, even tho it’d be suicidal. They really are that dumb.

    So Putin is walking a razor’s edge, as he assists the ethnic Russians in the east and used diplomacy and pressure to prevent a full scale war, which is exactly what NATO/International banksters/zio-fiends are all salivating for.

    Nothing would make John McCain happier that to see Russia send tanks into Donbas

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  88. annamaria says:

    “They’d be happy to go to war with Russia, even tho it’d be suicidal. They really are that dumb.”

    The quislings have a dream of acquiring a permanent residence in the EU/US as soon as the things got really dangerous in Ukraine; they believe that they will be able to enjoy the IMF/Monsanto/MIC-provided (stolen) money in the “free” world.
    The Maidan revolution was sold as a noble fight against corruption. Well… The US puppet Yatz (2% approval among Ukrainian) has already departed for greener pastures. The US-installed fraudster Jaresko has left as well (despite a suddenly bestowed Ukrainian citizenship). The US-installed Saakashvili is not in Odessa anymore (“Saakashvili has repeatedly accused the Ukrainian authorities of corruption. On September 13, he called Petro Poroshenko’s Bloc a criminal group,” http://www.pravdareport.com/news/world/ussr/ukraine/07-11-2016/136077-saakashvili_odessa-0/) Meanwhile, the puppet government in Kiev continues exuding a neo-Nazi aroma that is so dear to McCain’s heart and is so much appreciated by the Kagans’ clan. The puppet governments in Poland and Baltic states behave as if they had a lobotomy before being approved by the US to become the cogs in NATO, the US favorite military toy in Europe. Neither France nor Germany nor the UK have the courage to stand up to the stupid decisions of the US panopticon known as the US Congress, which is filled with the Israel-firsters and MIC-servants. It is widely understood that the US Congress is made of liars and whoring profiteers. There are no more than three honest persons in the whole Congress and they are an exception.

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    You are simply nutty. There are no "puppet" governments in Poland and Baltics, those are parlamentary democracies with multi-party coalition governments with widely publicized elections during which the parties bitterly compete for the electorate. You are nothing but a liar.
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  89. annamaria says:
    @Captain Nemo
    And of course conflict with Russia has nothing to do with the proclaimed goal of containing an "agressive" Putin and Russia, which is a fallacious representation of Russia's actions and motives, and everything to do with maintaining the seemingly absolute World hegemony the USA gained after the collapse of the USSR.
    This fantasy of absolute hegemony is hard to let go for Neocons and Deep state, and they will cling to it with all their claws, even risking nuclear war for it.

    The latest sanctions on Russia are an attempt to bleed Russia in another way, by pushing it out of the World economy, with the naive conviction that it would all end well if that plan succeeded...

    Anyone with an ounce of common sense realises that it would end terribly bad for all the parties involved.

    ‘This fantasy of absolute hegemony is hard to let go for Neocons and Deep state, and they will cling to it with all their claws, even risking nuclear war for it.”

    The fantasy was formulated in PNAC by a group of Israel-firsters whose only loyalty and concern have been Israel. The ongoing slaughter (mass murder) in the Middle East has been conceived and implemented on ziocons’ advice; the non-Jewish profiteers like Cheney and Summers are always ready to join any traitorous project to get a proper gesheft: http://www.trueactivist.com/cheney-rothschild-and-fox-news-murdoch-violate-international-law-by-drilling-for-oil-in-syria/

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/04/appetite-for-war-the-us-israel-and-saudi-arabia-v-iran/ “The White House press secretary said that the U.S. had a “shared interest with Israel to make sure that Iran does not gain a foothold, military base-wise, in southern Syria”. Armed action by U.S. proxies, trained in a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)-run camp in Jordan, against Syrian government troops backed by Iranian-led militias has been a flashpoint along the edge of southern Syria.
    Meanwhile, along Lebanon’s border, tensions have risen over a potential Israeli strike against Hizbollah’s highly fortified positions. Israel has already been collaborating with various Syrian rebel groups, including Al Qaeda-backed groups, in the region near the occupied Golan Heights. Israeli aircraft have regularly been striking Syrian military targets to prevent any advance by the Syrian Army towards the de facto border with Israel. Israel would also like to expand its Golan Heights holdings and create a large buffer zone with Syria. These manoeuvres have been fully backed by the Trump White House.’
    The fake, and extremely expensive, War on Terror is going on

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    The fantasy was formulated in PNAC by a group of Israel-firsters whose only loyalty and concern have been Israel.
     
    They are also not very competent people, especially militarily. We all can observe the results of their "planning" today.
    , @Paul C.
    Well said. Btw, Larry Summers is Jewish.
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  90. utu says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    & utu @ 4. https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-trumps-russia-policy-being-hijacked/#comment-1956449

    & Thirdeye @76 https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-trumps-russia-policy-being-hijacked/#comment-1956637


    It is true that there were strenuous debates between competing Jewish camps -- a kind of Guelph vs Ghibbiline, Sunni vs Shiite divide, pitting German Jews/anti-Zionist camp vs East European Jews/pro-Zionist camp.
    Thus, I believe it is useful and accurate to study the era of the world wars as an extended Jewish civil war; whether Jews drew the various European (and US) states into their war, or Jews carried on their civil war in the chaotic vacuum of European states in conflict is deserving of further study: given that Jews held decisive positions in each and every of the precipitating conflicts, from the Franco-Prussian war to Dreyfus to the Russo-Japanese war to the (October) Russian Revolution to turmoil in the Ottoman empire to the major role played by Jews in prolonging WWI, to the massive role of Jews at Versailles, to the role of Jews in Weimar, and even the extensive role Jews played in the evolution of the NSDAP (not least by St. Leo of Strauss, neocon godlet) ; and even more convincingly, that Jews were major benefactors of most of those debacle, while losing the fewest in lives and the least in forces/resources/treasure deployed --- all that considered, I have to conclude that Jews were not merely along for the ride, they were actively managing events for the benefit of Jewish interests.

    There is so very much evidence that pro-zionist Jews prevailed, and that it was they who brought Jewish influence to bear on decision makers in Britain and in USA and not the other way around, that it's impossible to grant that Untermeyer & Brandeis were "manipulated" by the British, or that J P Morgan played so large a role, or that anti-war Jews supported Henry Ford -- an astonishing claim! or that Jews were pushed by any one other than Other Jews to draw USA into WWI -- and WWII.

    Here are a very few of the sources I rely upon:


    A 700-page book titled "The Balfour Declaration," by Leonard Stein. Stein was Chaim Weizmann's friend and colleague in Weizmann's deliberate activities to insinuate himself inside Britain's inner circle in the pre- and WWI period, with the specific goal of obtaining Palestine as a "homeland for Jews."
    Stein recounts that Weizmann made the assessment that the British would prevail in a looming contest between Britain and Germany, so he took his show to London and, in tandem with Baron Rothschild, set about influencing British decision makers, using a 3-part assessment of 'relative antisemitism'. Weizmann judged that Lord Alfred Balfour was most susceptible to exploitation on the basis of his concealed 'antisemitism;' Weizmann achieved his goals.
    (After I came across an extensive review of Stein's book in a 1960-ish volume of Commentary, I purchased the book. At that time, I was also able to access two slim volumes that Stein produced early in 1917 to make the case that "Jews were being persecuted." Those volumes are no longer on the shelves of the public library, but I had photocopied multiple pages from the volumes.)

    As we know, the Balfour Declaration was addressed to Baron Rothschild. The combined wealth and influence of the Rothschild and Warburg banking houses made J P Morgan look like Bailey Bros Building and Loan. Sam Untermeyer is an extremely interesting case: he played both sides of numerous enormous issues -- he was a major funder of Roosevelt in New York state and national politics; he was legal counsel to the Pugo Committee; he represented the Ottoman sultan's heirs in their claim to oil fields in Mesopotamia; he was "Hitler's bitterest foe," and he worked zealously to support the zionist project.





    In "The Transfer Agreement," author Edwin Black records that "Zionist Jews achieved a dual victory at Versailles: they acquired a homeland for Jews in Palestine and affirmation of Jewish rights in [European] states where Jews dwelt."

    In Scott Anderson's journalistic tour d'force on the activities of "Lawrence in Arabia," the dual- and triple-spying activities of Aaron Aaronsohn, his sisters/brothers and the NILI terror network they established, aided by sister Rivka Aaronsohn's lover and fanatic terror gang leader Absolom Feinberg; Chaim Weizmann and his "black sheep" sister Fanny Weizmann, are detailed: they all acted on behalf of the zionists intent on claiming Palestine for Jews. At times they acted against British and for German or Ottoman interests, or switched when the situation demanded, but never, not at any point were they anything but pro-Jewish zionists.

    Alison Weir has described the role played by Louis Brandeis in using his position in the US government structure to the advantage of Jewish - zionist interests in "Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel" http://www.unz.com/article/review-against-our-better-judgment/

    One last, obscure source:

    While on the Supreme Court, Louis Brandeis played fast and loose with numerous American institutions and legal precedents. After a stint as attorney general, James Clark McReynolds sat on the same Supreme Court and was not shy about registering his displeasure with what he considered Brandeis's counter-American stance. For this, McReynolds was branded an "antisemite" ( hard as that is to imagine) and his legacy all but erased from memory.

    But not entirely erased.

    In an effort to revitalize and correct their progenitor's legacy, Ann McReynolds Bush and Cornelia Wendell Bush have published Executive Disorder: The Subversion of the United States Supreme Court, 1914-1940, and

    James Clark McReynolds: Defender of the Constitution.

    In summ, Thirdeye, your version of events may be what you experienced or were told by elders who resisted the zionist steamroller. But a steamroller it was, and it crushed many millions of people and is still flattening resistance.

    But the facts and evidence are all around: Jews at the highest level used the government institutions of numerous peoples against their better judgment to achieve zionist aims, and they are still doing so.

    Thanks. Very useful.

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  91. @Ludwig Watzal
    The Zionist Israel Lobby has been running US Middle Eastern foreign policy since LBJ. Since then, they have expanded their influence continuously.

    Indeed they have.

    The question is: Was Trump’s whole campaign a calculated fraud from the beginning, making Trump nothing but a traitorous Trojan horse, as I believe?

    Or is Trump actually a “good guy”, one of “us” who’s just in over his head, fighting a losing battle, trying to do what’s good for America but being beaten down by the Jew lobby, as you clearly imply?

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  92. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @annamaria
    "They’d be happy to go to war with Russia, even tho it’d be suicidal. They really are that dumb."

    The quislings have a dream of acquiring a permanent residence in the EU/US as soon as the things got really dangerous in Ukraine; they believe that they will be able to enjoy the IMF/Monsanto/MIC-provided (stolen) money in the "free" world.
    The Maidan revolution was sold as a noble fight against corruption. Well... The US puppet Yatz (2% approval among Ukrainian) has already departed for greener pastures. The US-installed fraudster Jaresko has left as well (despite a suddenly bestowed Ukrainian citizenship). The US-installed Saakashvili is not in Odessa anymore ("Saakashvili has repeatedly accused the Ukrainian authorities of corruption. On September 13, he called Petro Poroshenko's Bloc a criminal group," http://www.pravdareport.com/news/world/ussr/ukraine/07-11-2016/136077-saakashvili_odessa-0/) Meanwhile, the puppet government in Kiev continues exuding a neo-Nazi aroma that is so dear to McCain's heart and is so much appreciated by the Kagans' clan. The puppet governments in Poland and Baltic states behave as if they had a lobotomy before being approved by the US to become the cogs in NATO, the US favorite military toy in Europe. Neither France nor Germany nor the UK have the courage to stand up to the stupid decisions of the US panopticon known as the US Congress, which is filled with the Israel-firsters and MIC-servants. It is widely understood that the US Congress is made of liars and whoring profiteers. There are no more than three honest persons in the whole Congress and they are an exception.

    You are simply nutty. There are no “puppet” governments in Poland and Baltics, those are parlamentary democracies with multi-party coalition governments with widely publicized elections during which the parties bitterly compete for the electorate. You are nothing but a liar.

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    Don't you protest too much? - Here is Polish dissident who was put in prison for exercising the alleged freedom of speech in the allegedly free Poland. His only crime is to criticize NATO, this U.S. heavily-weaponized tool at the heart of Europe.

    "Mateusz Piskorski, a Pan-Slavic activist and former member of the Polish parliament has been detained without specific charges. Authorities allege, without citing anything specific, that he has been engaged in espionage. To anyone trained in criminology or the history of espionage, it should be highly obvious that Piskorski has not engaged in any illegal activity. Piskorski is a well-known political activist. He leads a small political party and runs a Pan-Slavic publishing house. As a well-known public figure, Piskorski is the last person that any intelligence agency would cooperate with. Piskorski has been detained because he is an outspoken critic of NATO and the European Union, and is loudly voicing his opposition to Polish cooperation with hostility to Russia. Piskorski is not the only one who has been targeted by the pro-NATO government in Poland...."
    https://journal-neo.org/2016/05/30/while-installing-nato-missiles-polish-regime-crushes-dissent/

    Poland has become a ziocons' fortress of Eastern Europe. "Official statement of the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs official – 02-02-2014 -- We support the hard line taken by the Right Sector [the neo-Nazi block in Ukraine]… "Polish weekly ‘Nie’ published a report about the fact that, in September 2013, for four weeks, 86 Ukrainian ‘militants’ from Right Sector were trained at a police base in Legionów in Poland. Officially, Ukrainian ‘students’ came at the invitation of the Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski..." http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/13/neo-poland-is-becoming-52nd-state-of-the-united-states/
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  93. annamaria says:
    @Anonymous
    You are simply nutty. There are no "puppet" governments in Poland and Baltics, those are parlamentary democracies with multi-party coalition governments with widely publicized elections during which the parties bitterly compete for the electorate. You are nothing but a liar.

    Don’t you protest too much? – Here is Polish dissident who was put in prison for exercising the alleged freedom of speech in the allegedly free Poland. His only crime is to criticize NATO, this U.S. heavily-weaponized tool at the heart of Europe.

    “Mateusz Piskorski, a Pan-Slavic activist and former member of the Polish parliament has been detained without specific charges. Authorities allege, without citing anything specific, that he has been engaged in espionage. To anyone trained in criminology or the history of espionage, it should be highly obvious that Piskorski has not engaged in any illegal activity. Piskorski is a well-known political activist. He leads a small political party and runs a Pan-Slavic publishing house. As a well-known public figure, Piskorski is the last person that any intelligence agency would cooperate with. Piskorski has been detained because he is an outspoken critic of NATO and the European Union, and is loudly voicing his opposition to Polish cooperation with hostility to Russia. Piskorski is not the only one who has been targeted by the pro-NATO government in Poland….”

    https://journal-neo.org/2016/05/30/while-installing-nato-missiles-polish-regime-crushes-dissent/

    Poland has become a ziocons’ fortress of Eastern Europe. “Official statement of the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs official – 02-02-2014 — We support the hard line taken by the Right Sector [the neo-Nazi block in Ukraine]… “Polish weekly ‘Nie’ published a report about the fact that, in September 2013, for four weeks, 86 Ukrainian ‘militants’ from Right Sector were trained at a police base in Legionów in Poland. Officially, Ukrainian ‘students’ came at the invitation of the Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski…” http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/13/neo-poland-is-becoming-52nd-state-of-the-united-states/

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  94. MEexpert says:

    Is Trump’s Russia Policy Being Hijacked?

    Trump’s foreign policy was hijacked from day one of his presidency. Remember, Pence is a neocon in disguise. Several neocons, who were never-Trumpers, have already made their way into Trump White House. That is one reason Tillerson can’t fill positions in the State Department. I don’t think Tillerson really wants war but he is one sane voice among the roar of neocons.

    The Journal’s answer: Our goal is to bleed Russia.

    The MSM is controlled by neocons. Journal is no exception. What they don’t realize is that it is bleeding the US instead of Russia. Putin does not have an $18 Trillion dollars deficit. When will the people and politicians of this country wake up to realize that the neocons/Israel are trying to destroy this country. We are losing support of our one-time loyal allies in Europe. We are heading into confrontation with China in Asia and Russia in Europe and the Middle East. Both Russia and China are nuclear powers.

    Putin has made friendly overtures several times only to get his hand slapped by the neocon dictated foreign policy.

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  95. @peterAUS
    You know, can't help myself but noticing certain similarities between Donbass and "Republic of Kraina" (I guess that's the correct name) in conflict in Yugoslavia.
    Of course, there are a lot of differences, but, there are some uncomfortable similarities.

    Or, fate of Tamil Republic, to lesser extent.

    It all hinges on a political will of the regime in Moscow.

    I just can't see other option, in the world we see as we speak, but the conflict there to escalate.

    West will keep escalating; the question is will the regime in Moscow follow the process. I don't see Moscow taking the initiative there.

    Donbass survival goes way beyond pure military matters.
    Predicting the outcome based on military capabilities of participants involved is wrong method I think.
    Actually, I believe it could be misleading and/or self-deluding.

    Of course, there are a lot of differences, but, there are some uncomfortable similarities.

    As it is pretty much with many (not all) serious military-political entanglements. The major difference, however, is in the fact of geographic position of Donbass, which has a well controlled border with Russia proper.

    West will keep escalating; the question is will the regime in Moscow follow the process. I don’t see Moscow taking the initiative there.

    We’ll see what Volker’s “escalation” will bring but in terms of initiative, by now Donbass for all intents and purposes is being integrated into Russia–both economically and socially. It is an undeniable fact. West’s “escalation” (whatever form it will take in the nearest future) is primarily driven by US desperation (and Europe’s imbecility), which also was in the foundation of West’s global and catastrophic (for the US) miscalculation on Maidan.

    Predicting the outcome based on military capabilities of participants involved is wrong method I think.

    Agree, but in this particular case it is a main driving factor of the events. Moscow is not going to “sell” Donbass. Strategic differences existing on Donbass in Russia’s elites are on the method and pace of its incorporation. The question of “selling” it is not on the agenda, bar some fringe “liberal” elements who do not have any influence on formulation of Russia’s (foreign) policy and general strategic view of the world.

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  96. @annamaria
    'This fantasy of absolute hegemony is hard to let go for Neocons and Deep state, and they will cling to it with all their claws, even risking nuclear war for it."

    The fantasy was formulated in PNAC by a group of Israel-firsters whose only loyalty and concern have been Israel. The ongoing slaughter (mass murder) in the Middle East has been conceived and implemented on ziocons' advice; the non-Jewish profiteers like Cheney and Summers are always ready to join any traitorous project to get a proper gesheft: http://www.trueactivist.com/cheney-rothschild-and-fox-news-murdoch-violate-international-law-by-drilling-for-oil-in-syria/

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/04/appetite-for-war-the-us-israel-and-saudi-arabia-v-iran/ "The White House press secretary said that the U.S. had a “shared interest with Israel to make sure that Iran does not gain a foothold, military base-wise, in southern Syria”. Armed action by U.S. proxies, trained in a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)-run camp in Jordan, against Syrian government troops backed by Iranian-led militias has been a flashpoint along the edge of southern Syria.
    Meanwhile, along Lebanon’s border, tensions have risen over a potential Israeli strike against Hizbollah’s highly fortified positions. Israel has already been collaborating with various Syrian rebel groups, including Al Qaeda-backed groups, in the region near the occupied Golan Heights. Israeli aircraft have regularly been striking Syrian military targets to prevent any advance by the Syrian Army towards the de facto border with Israel. Israel would also like to expand its Golan Heights holdings and create a large buffer zone with Syria. These manoeuvres have been fully backed by the Trump White House.'
    The fake, and extremely expensive, War on Terror is going on

    The fantasy was formulated in PNAC by a group of Israel-firsters whose only loyalty and concern have been Israel.

    They are also not very competent people, especially militarily. We all can observe the results of their “planning” today.

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  97. Paul C. says:
    @annamaria
    'This fantasy of absolute hegemony is hard to let go for Neocons and Deep state, and they will cling to it with all their claws, even risking nuclear war for it."

    The fantasy was formulated in PNAC by a group of Israel-firsters whose only loyalty and concern have been Israel. The ongoing slaughter (mass murder) in the Middle East has been conceived and implemented on ziocons' advice; the non-Jewish profiteers like Cheney and Summers are always ready to join any traitorous project to get a proper gesheft: http://www.trueactivist.com/cheney-rothschild-and-fox-news-murdoch-violate-international-law-by-drilling-for-oil-in-syria/

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/04/appetite-for-war-the-us-israel-and-saudi-arabia-v-iran/ "The White House press secretary said that the U.S. had a “shared interest with Israel to make sure that Iran does not gain a foothold, military base-wise, in southern Syria”. Armed action by U.S. proxies, trained in a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)-run camp in Jordan, against Syrian government troops backed by Iranian-led militias has been a flashpoint along the edge of southern Syria.
    Meanwhile, along Lebanon’s border, tensions have risen over a potential Israeli strike against Hizbollah’s highly fortified positions. Israel has already been collaborating with various Syrian rebel groups, including Al Qaeda-backed groups, in the region near the occupied Golan Heights. Israeli aircraft have regularly been striking Syrian military targets to prevent any advance by the Syrian Army towards the de facto border with Israel. Israel would also like to expand its Golan Heights holdings and create a large buffer zone with Syria. These manoeuvres have been fully backed by the Trump White House.'
    The fake, and extremely expensive, War on Terror is going on

    Well said. Btw, Larry Summers is Jewish.

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  98. @Thirdeye
    It's a debate in which intellectual honesty is in short supply. We tend to forget that the self-selection of Jews who emigrated to the US tended to be the more secular-minded ones. To them, the power structures within the shtetls were as stifling as the power structures outside of them. They didn't want Medievally-minded fuckers telling them how to be Jewish or to be told that after crossing an ocean their "homeland" was really somewhere else.

    I’m sure your last sentence is right. But where is the reconciliation with dangling “the promise of Palestine to Brandeis and Untermeyer to influence etc” as you no doubt correctly put it earlier.

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