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“I have not become the King’s First Minister in order to preside over the liquidation of the British Empire,” said Winston Churchill to cheers at the Lord Mayor’s luncheon in London in November 1942.

True to his word, the great man did not begin the liquidation.

When his countrymen threw him out in July 1945, that role fell to Clement Attlee, who began the liquidation. Churchill, during his second premiership from 1951-1955, would continue the process, as would his successor, Harold Macmillan, until the greatest empire the world had ever seen had vanished.

While its demise was inevitable, the death of the empire was hastened and made more humiliating by the wars into which Churchill had helped to plunge Britain, wars that bled and bankrupted his nation.

At Yalta in 1945, Stalin and FDR treated the old imperialist with something approaching bemused contempt.

War is the health of the state, but the death of empires.

The German, Austro-Hungarian, Russian and Ottoman empires all fell in World War I. World War II ended the Japanese and Italian empires — with the British and French following soon after. The Soviet Empire collapsed in 1989. Afghanistan delivered the coup de grace.

Is it now the turn of the Americans?

Persuaded by his generals — Mattis at Defense, McMasters on the National Security Council, Kelly as chief of staff — President Trump is sending some 4,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan to augment the 8,500 already there.

Like Presidents Obama and Bush, he does not intend to preside over a U.S. defeat in its longest war. Nor do his generals. Yet how can we defeat the Taliban with 13,000 troops when we failed to do so with the 100,000 Obama sent?

The new troops are to train the Afghan army to take over the war, to continue eradicating the terrorist elements like ISIS, and to prevent Kabul and other cities from falling to a Taliban now dominant in 40 percent of the country.

Yet what did the great general, whom Trump so admires, Douglas MacArthur, say of such a strategy?

“War’s very object is victory, not prolonged indecision.”

Is not “prolonged indecision” what the Trump strategy promises? Is not “prolonged indecision” what the war policies of Obama and Bush produced in the last 17 years?

Understandably, Americans feel they cannot walk away from this war. For there is the certainty as to what will follow when we leave.

When the British left Delhi in 1947, millions of former subjects died during the partition of the territory into Pakistan and India and the mutual slaughter of Muslims and Hindus.

When the French departed Algeria in 1962, the “Harkis” they left behind paid the price of being loyal to the Mother Country.

When we abandoned our allies in South Vietnam, the result was mass murder in the streets, concentration camps and hundreds of thousands of boat people in the South China Sea, a final resting place for many. In Cambodia, it was a holocaust.

ORDER IT NOW

Trump, however, was elected to end America’s involvement in Middle East wars. And if he has been persuaded that he simply cannot liquidate these wars — Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan — he will likely end up sacrificing his presidency, trying to rescue the failures of those who worked hardest to keep him out of the White House.

Consider the wars, active and potential, Trump faces.

Writes Bob Merry in the fall issue of The National interest:

“War between Russia and the West seems nearly inevitable. No self-respecting nation facing inexorable encirclement by an alliance of hostile neighbors can allow such pressures and forces to continue indefinitely. Eventually (Russia) must protect its interests through military action.”

If Pyongyang tests another atom bomb or ICBM, some national security aides to Trump are not ruling out preventive war.

Trump himself seems hell-bent on tearing up the nuclear deal with Iran. This would lead inexorably to a U.S. ultimatum, where Iran would be expected to back down or face a war that would set the Persian Gulf ablaze.

Yet the country did not vote for confrontation or war.

America voted for Trump’s promise to improve ties with Russia, to make Europe shoulder more of the cost of its defense, to annihilate ISIS and extricate us from Mideast wars, to stay out of future wars.

America voted for economic nationalism and an end to the mammoth trade deficits with the NAFTA nations, EU, Japan and China.

America voted to halt the invasion across our Southern border and to reduce legal immigration to ease the downward pressure on American wages and the competition for working-class jobs.

Yet today we hear talk of upping and extending the U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, of confronting Iran, of sending anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons to Ukraine to battle pro-Russia rebels in the east.

Can the new custodians of Trump’s populist-nationalist and America First agenda, the generals and the Goldman Sachs alumni association, be entrusted to carry it out?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.

Copyright 2017 Creators.com.

 
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  1. I think that the case of Korea is very different from all the others, but generally I agree with Mr. Buchanan to the extent that I say:

    Pat Buchanan for President!

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    What is different about "the case of Korea"?

    Continuing to maintain forces in South Korea continues to contribute to our bankruptcy.
    , @anonymous
    "Pat Buchanan for President!"

    Which would simply prove the maxim; Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!
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  2. Miro23 says:

    Trump’s populist-nationalist and America First agenda,

    This agenda did exist and Trump used it to get elected. Once he pulled off that trick he tried to get together again (unsuccessfully) with his New York Plutocrat friends.

    It’s that New York social background. It’s always been difficult to see Trump fit together economically or socially with the America that elected him, and after he got elected he quickly weakened his ties with Middle America.

    So why should he complain about Fake News since he got elected on a Fake Agenda?

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  3. MEexpert says:

    Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This quote is so well-known that almost everyone knows it, except perhaps the politicians and the generals. Afghanistan has been called the deathbed of empires. The two recent empires to go down are the British and the Soviet. For almost 200 years the British tried to tame the Afghan tribes but couldn’t. The devastation they caused did not deter the natives. It is all there in the history books for everyone to read. The Soviet empire didn’t even last ten years. It cut its losses and ran.

    The lack of teaching of history and geography in American schools is quite evident when one looks at the performance of American forces in Afghanistan after 17 years. Add the arrogance of the Presidents and the generals to this lack of knowledge and one can understand the disasterous results of the Afghan war. One other subject that is missing from the modern presidency is diplomacy. War over diplomacy seems to be the order of the day.

    Trump, however, was elected to end America’s involvement in Middle East wars. And if he has been persuaded that he simply cannot liquidate these wars — Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan — he will likely end up sacrificing his presidency, trying to rescue the failures of those who worked hardest to keep him out of the White House.

    Trump does not even remember what he was elected to do. A man who was determined to drain the swamp is deep, up to his neck, in that swamp. The neocons and the never-Trumpers are the main decision makers in the Trump administration. All the loyal supporters have been chased out of the Trump’s inner circle. A man who built his empire with his brain and shrewdness can’t seem to handle the Presidency. He is trying to appease the very same people who opposed him in the election.

    Trump himself seems hell-bent on tearing up the nuclear deal with Iran. This would lead inexorably to a U.S. ultimatum, where Iran would be expected to back down or face a war that would set the Persian Gulf ablaze.

    It is never going to happen. Not only the Middle East would be set ablaze, but America will lose its European allies as well. The relations with Russia are already confrontational and heading fast towards an ultimate war. European allies are also confused about the US foreign policy or lack thereof. Trade war is brewing with China. The only country which is happy with this chaos is Israel.

    For a smart businessman, Donald Trump can’t seem to make any friends. There is a very simple solution to these wars of choice. Mr. Trump swallow your pride and bring the boys home. You will save American lives and will also earn the gratitude of the families of these soldiers. You may even bring peace to many countries around the world and people who have been displaced by these wars can return home. You may even solve the refugee problem in the process. You might even save your presidency. Give peace a chance.

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    • Replies: @The Scalpel
    "A man who built his empire with his brain and shrewdness can’t seem to handle the Presidency. He is trying to appease the very same people who opposed him in the election."

    Amen
  4. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Understandably, Americans feel they cannot walk away from this war.”

    Not this American.

    Mr. Buchanan may be seen by some, including himself, as the Principled Voice of True Conservatism. But he self-identifies with the State, arguing here for how “we” should manage what he is honest enough to call an empire. (Some of his other articles have even endorsed the Establishment line on Russia as an adversary that hacked the DNC.) His writing brings back the voice and image of James Kilpatrick (sp?) on that black & white TV, arguing politely with the “liberal” lady on 60 Minutes.

    I realize that Mr. Buchanan is published elsewhere and may be the best there is in those forums. There are likely some who find their way from there to Unz Review and other quality publications. In that way, the country net benefits from his efforts. But Mr. Buchanan – who unlike some of Unz’s best declines to engage with commenting readers – adds little value to this website.

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    • Replies: @MEexpert
    I normally do not comment on or reply to anons or anonymous or something similar but I must in this case.

    But Mr. Buchanan – who unlike some of Unz’s best declines to engage with commenting readers – adds little value to this website
     
    You dare criticize Mr. Buchanan for your own lack of comprehension. All you got from his article is this one sentence:

    “Understandably, Americans feel they cannot walk away from this war.”
     
    Pathetic.
    , @Rurik

    But Mr. Buchanan – who unlike some of Unz’s best declines to engage with commenting readers – adds little value to this website.
     
    says *anonymous*
  5. Renoman says:

    No one has ever been able to conquer Afghanistan why would America think it can? Likely just throwing a bone to the neocons. As for Iran, Trump has been beating his chest all over the World and doing nothing, again with the Neocon feeding, I don’t think he has any intention of getting into anything larger than a skirmish with anyone, he’s a lot smarter than he looks!

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  6. syd.bgd says:

    Well … while Mr. Buchanan is not an expert in Balkans history, or politics, as I’ve argued here, he is excellent in American history and politics. An article somewhat short, because he is not connecting his sharp analysis to ongoing First Amendment disaster. It comes along, obviously, but still an excellent piece.
    To be copied and saved in my personal archives, anyway. I do not believe that even this site will last long.
    Greetings from Serbia, suicidal country controlled from that feudal fortress (US Embassy) where our Scott-Pasha resides.

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  7. It was the eclipse that swept across America to change it forever.
    We now know we are on our own, there is no political solution for this war.
    The eclipse marks the end of a war, our war, we lost.
    Trump extends Afghan swamp war on the very day.
    Eclipse was conjunct Trumps Mars, he was castrated.
    Doesn’t mean we won’t win, but it won’t be via the rigged ballot box and the DC swamp.

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  8. KenH says:

    I think The Donald offered the lame excuse that things looks much different when you’re in the oval office vs. the campaign trail. That won’t be any consolation to people who voted for him in the hopes that their family members in the military would be coming home soon. And it won’t be any consolation to some members of his base.

    Now that the generals have gone wild under Trump we may as well admit that we’re ruled by a military junta. We’ll let them make all the decisions since they’re so brilliant while Trump tweets and holds stupid rallies trying to convince people that he hasn’t reneged on any campaign promises.

    But if it prevents tens of thousands of knuckle dragging Afghans steeped in a culture of violence, pedophilia and pederasty from entering America as refugees then I guess there’s a silver lining.

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    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
    America, too, is steeped in a culture of violence. Pedophilia and pederasty, the world over, is way overstated and the allegations of such are usually emanating from professional victims ("ooh, the priest played with my pee-pee, my life is ruined").
  9. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “But if it prevents tens of thousands of … Afghans … from entering America as refugees then I guess there’s a silver lining.”*

    History suggests just the opposite, doesn’t it?

    * I removed some of the words from your comment in the hope that, stepping back, you would see how you’re being gulled with your own bigotry. If it were the Afghan Empire droning your neighborhood, the sheeplike over there would be demeaning your kind in the same way. Ruling Class 101.

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    • Replies: @KenH

    * I removed some of the words from your comment in the hope that, stepping back, you would see how you’re being gulled with your own bigotry.
     
    Maybe you should step back and acknowledge your own willful blindness about racial and cultural differences between Muslim Afghans and white Westerners. Afghanistan has a stone age culture.

    We shouldn't be over there anymore but drone strikes don't turn them into pedophiles and pederasts since that's been part of their culture for well over 1000 years.
  10. MEH 0910 says:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/full-transcript-donald-trump-announces-his-afghanistan-policy/537552/

    My original instinct was to pull out, and historically, I like following my instincts. But all my life I’ve heard that decisions are much different when you sit behind the desk in the Oval Office.

    Trump isn’t going to keep his campaign promises. That means he’s not going to build a beautiful wall on our southern border.

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  11. @Grandpa Charlie
    I think that the case of Korea is very different from all the others, but generally I agree with Mr. Buchanan to the extent that I say:

    Pat Buchanan for President!

    What is different about “the case of Korea”?

    Continuing to maintain forces in South Korea continues to contribute to our bankruptcy.

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  12. @KenH
    I think The Donald offered the lame excuse that things looks much different when you're in the oval office vs. the campaign trail. That won't be any consolation to people who voted for him in the hopes that their family members in the military would be coming home soon. And it won't be any consolation to some members of his base.

    Now that the generals have gone wild under Trump we may as well admit that we're ruled by a military junta. We'll let them make all the decisions since they're so brilliant while Trump tweets and holds stupid rallies trying to convince people that he hasn't reneged on any campaign promises.

    But if it prevents tens of thousands of knuckle dragging Afghans steeped in a culture of violence, pedophilia and pederasty from entering America as refugees then I guess there's a silver lining.

    America, too, is steeped in a culture of violence. Pedophilia and pederasty, the world over, is way overstated and the allegations of such are usually emanating from professional victims (“ooh, the priest played with my pee-pee, my life is ruined”).

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    • Replies: @KenH

    America, too, is steeped in a culture of violence.
     
    It's called the presence of blacks and Latinos. Without them America's violent crime rate would be some of the lowest in the world.

    Pedophilia and pederasty, the world over, is way overstated
     
    Maybe, but at least we stigmatize and punish ours. Afghanistan and other third world cultures do not.
  13. MEexpert says:
    @anonymous
    "Understandably, Americans feel they cannot walk away from this war."

    Not this American.

    Mr. Buchanan may be seen by some, including himself, as the Principled Voice of True Conservatism. But he self-identifies with the State, arguing here for how "we" should manage what he is honest enough to call an empire. (Some of his other articles have even endorsed the Establishment line on Russia as an adversary that hacked the DNC.) His writing brings back the voice and image of James Kilpatrick (sp?) on that black & white TV, arguing politely with the "liberal" lady on 60 Minutes.

    I realize that Mr. Buchanan is published elsewhere and may be the best there is in those forums. There are likely some who find their way from there to Unz Review and other quality publications. In that way, the country net benefits from his efforts. But Mr. Buchanan - who unlike some of Unz's best declines to engage with commenting readers - adds little value to this website.

    I normally do not comment on or reply to anons or anonymous or something similar but I must in this case.

    But Mr. Buchanan – who unlike some of Unz’s best declines to engage with commenting readers – adds little value to this website

    You dare criticize Mr. Buchanan for your own lack of comprehension. All you got from his article is this one sentence:

    “Understandably, Americans feel they cannot walk away from this war.”

    Pathetic.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    And you, pseudonymously, purport to have comprehended my comment.

    Now that's pathetic.
  14. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The illiterate mass murderer albino should know that the evil British empire was thrown out of Afghanistan three times like a ROTTEN RAT, therefore, the evil empire is going to receive the same fate.
    How many times brave Afghani should tell the evil empire to fuck off from our country? The 9/11 terror was staged by USG and Mossad, NOT the hoax 19 Arab men, to invade targeted countries, as General Clark said, to frame Muslims and kill them at will to rob their resources, libraries, museums,case in Iraq, through invasion based on lies and using FALSE FLAG operation in the process in many Western capitals, recently in Barcelona, to erect “world Government”, the zionist bankers project, using their zionist servants and trained terrorists such as Al Qaeda, Taliban, traitor kurds, ISIS, and other terrorist organizations around the world.

    People of Afghanistan will fight you back until you are out of their country, or totally are destroyed. The illiterate racist albino must read history 101 as soon as possible to recognize that Afghani people never give up their country to invaders, mass murderers, thieves and terrorists.

    What are Americans doing all over the world erecting more that 1000 military bases in different countries to conduct act of terrorism, train terrorists to be used in the targeted countries, like in Britain and Spain, committing crimes against humanity. People of the world know that majority of the terrors are designed and executed by the axis of evil US – Israel – Britain with cooperation of the Western intelligence services. You are dumb not us.

    Any country that allows the mass murderers have a base in their territory is A COLONY.

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    • Replies: @Rurik

    their territory is A COLONY.
     
    what do you think the ZUSA is?

    http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/03/04/opinion/4wed1WEB/4wed1WEB-articleLarge.jpg
    , @Corvinus
    "The 9/11 terror was staged by USG and Mossad, NOT the hoax 19 Arab men, to invade targeted countries, as General Clark said, to frame Muslims and kill them at will to rob their resources, libraries, museums,case in Iraq, through invasion based on lies and using FALSE FLAG operation in the process in many Western capitals, recently in Barcelona, to erect “world Government”, the zionist bankers project, using their zionist servants and trained terrorists such as Al Qaeda, Taliban, traitor kurds, ISIS, and other terrorist organizations around the world."

    GREAT story. Assuming it to be true, what are you personally doing about it to overthrow your Zionist masters? Why continue to be enslaved by their machinations? Do you not have a duty to engage in your own jihad to free yourself, and your progeny, from your oppressors?
  15. Talha says:

    Is not “prolonged indecision” what the Trump strategy promises?

    No, that would be silly. He was elected because he makes decisions – hard, calculated decisions. We now have a viable strategy:
    “One of the ways McMaster tried to persuade Trump to recommit to the effort was by convincing him that Afghanistan was not a hopeless place. He presented Trump with a black-and-white snapshot from 1972 of Afghan women in miniskirts walking through Kabul, to show him that Western norms had existed there before and could return.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/its-a-hard-problem-inside-trumps-decision-to-send-more-troops-to-afghanistan/2017/08/21/14dcb126-868b-11e7-a94f-3139abce39f5_story.html?utm_term=.9ff939e9f12a

    Far from being indecisive, that is a very specific goal and metric. We will no longer rely on body counts – pfffshshsh – can’t eat that! Rather we will measure progress by receding skirt length in Kabul. We will fight for every inch! Every! Inch!

    Once skirt lengths have been liberated to the knee, we can have a national referendum on whether we consider this to be an adequate sign of victory or not. Shall we call it a day? Or liberate up to mid-thigh or shall we not surrender until hot-pants are ubiquitous? My God – the will of a nation and what it can achieve! Onward! The ticker tape parade will not be held until we have enough shards and strips to use that we have cut down from evil long skirts!!!

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Rurik

    We will fight for every inch! Every! Inch!
     
    lol

    I go into stores these days and I see twelve year old girls with her parents and her ass cheeks are falling out of her shorts.

    you just shake your head, and wonder wtf

    they're even sexualizing toddlers

    http://sweetlilyou.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/madonna-bra-toddler.jpg

    but then I hear of Afghan men chaining boys to their bed, and US soldiers are told to be tolerant of their ways, so there's some f'd up sh** all over the place I guess

    Peace
  16. Gemjunior says:

    I know that Trump has faced nothing but opposition since he started but thats no
    excuse in my opinion. There are so many things this President Giant Headed Ass (I voted for and still don’t even regret it, given the other choice) could have done and STILL could do to save his presidency and make it a success. He is really letting them walk all over him. Any fight he does show is usually towards some petty personal stupidity. He could stop
    trying to be liked by the opposition. Get rid of Kushner and Ivanka (for the love of God), get a good lawyer to SUE the whole damn media and the nutters like Maxine Waters etc.,for libel and slander about the Russia nonsense among many other unnecessary insults, FIRE Mueller NOW, COMMAND the army corps. of engineers to start the wall’s construction right this second (why he was elected), and stop tweeting like an ass. Put any governor and mayor insisting on sanctuary city in jail for thwarting the will of the American people, because ultimately that is who they are against – US. The fact is none of the campaign promises have been kept, Hillary and Obama are probably giving directions and having them carried out, treason is happening all over with members of congress openly flouting our president that WE elected to carry out our wishes, and the jerk is just sitting there taking this crap from them! War is at our door – Putin must be embarrassed for Trump too. He is totally ineffectual for someone who was elected precisely because he seemed he could BE effectual! Notice how nobody’s talking about Russian collusion delusion now? They are going to drop that angle and sink their teeth into the new white supremacist angle now!! And ride it to get to The Presidential Bighead enough to make him go crazy. Read Ann Coulters column calling him out for having a “tiny God Emporer’s ego,” which sounds pretty good as a description!!

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    • Replies: @Rurik

    The fact is none of the campaign promises have been kept,
     
    don't forget TPP

    and Gorsuch

    and Paris

    and cutting off CIA funds/arms to ISIS

    and dissing Merkel

    .. I'm sure there's a few others

    but I get what you're saying, I only think that he has more enemies in the GOP than in the MSM and DNC

    and that suggests he's trying to do some good

    knowing the kind of sewer DC is, and how many entrenched enemies of the republic are there, we have to patient with Trump I think.

    so far there's been no war with Russia, no war with Iran, no wars at all, except this little disappointment in Afghanistan. Which I'm hoping is a glitch.
  17. Talha says:

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    Pretty damning article - apparently this cluster**** could have been ended a long time ago:

    "So when the Taliban came to surrender, the U.S. turned them down repeatedly, in a series of arrogant blunders spelled out in Anand Gopal’s investigative treatment of the Afghanistan war, 'No Good Men Among the Living.'...So how do you kill terrorists if there aren’t any? Simple: Afghans that the U.S. worked with understood the predicament their military sponsors were in, so they fabricated bad guys. Demand has a way of creating supply, and the U.S. was paying for information that led to the death or capture of Taliban fighters. Suddenly there were Taliban everywhere.'
    https://theintercept.com/2017/08/22/afghanistan-donald-trump-taliban-surrender-here-we-are/

    Hmmmm - going as well as the 'war on drugs'.

    Peace.
  18. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @MEexpert
    I normally do not comment on or reply to anons or anonymous or something similar but I must in this case.

    But Mr. Buchanan – who unlike some of Unz’s best declines to engage with commenting readers – adds little value to this website
     
    You dare criticize Mr. Buchanan for your own lack of comprehension. All you got from his article is this one sentence:

    “Understandably, Americans feel they cannot walk away from this war.”
     
    Pathetic.

    And you, pseudonymously, purport to have comprehended my comment.

    Now that’s pathetic.

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  19. Rurik says:

    America voted for Trump’s promise to improve ties with Russia, to make Europe shoulder more of the cost of its defense, to annihilate ISIS and extricate us from Mideast wars, to stay out of future wars.

    the most anti-Semitic words I think I have ever read!

    Mr. Buchanan, have you no shame?!

    wasn’t six million enough for you?!

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  20. Mulegino1 says:

    Pat is almost always right, but unfortunately, he is always either far ahead of his time – as in 1992 – or far behind it- as in the present. Pat is the Vivaldi of political columnists as he has written the same column every week for the past 20 years, but that does not detract from the fact that he is still better than 99.9% of his “journalistic” colleagues.

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    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    I like Buchanan too, but ultimately he's a Reaganite who doesn't quite grasp how disastrous Reagan's embrace of the neoconservatives (a Faustian bargain if there ever was one) was, not just for the old GOP, but American conservatism in general. He's a Republican stalwart who can't completely shake free of the phony red-blue divide. He will never accept that a necessary condition for any kind of way out of this mess is the complete elimination of the Republican Party, and its various movement conservative mouthpieces. Julius Streicher was hanged for far less than the editors of National Review stand guilty of.
  21. Rurik says:
    @anonymous
    "Understandably, Americans feel they cannot walk away from this war."

    Not this American.

    Mr. Buchanan may be seen by some, including himself, as the Principled Voice of True Conservatism. But he self-identifies with the State, arguing here for how "we" should manage what he is honest enough to call an empire. (Some of his other articles have even endorsed the Establishment line on Russia as an adversary that hacked the DNC.) His writing brings back the voice and image of James Kilpatrick (sp?) on that black & white TV, arguing politely with the "liberal" lady on 60 Minutes.

    I realize that Mr. Buchanan is published elsewhere and may be the best there is in those forums. There are likely some who find their way from there to Unz Review and other quality publications. In that way, the country net benefits from his efforts. But Mr. Buchanan - who unlike some of Unz's best declines to engage with commenting readers - adds little value to this website.

    But Mr. Buchanan – who unlike some of Unz’s best declines to engage with commenting readers – adds little value to this website.

    says *anonymous*

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    Pseudonym or "real handle" -- what's the difference?
  22. Rurik says:
    @anonymous
    The illiterate mass murderer albino should know that the evil British empire was thrown out of Afghanistan three times like a ROTTEN RAT, therefore, the evil empire is going to receive the same fate.
    How many times brave Afghani should tell the evil empire to fuck off from our country? The 9/11 terror was staged by USG and Mossad, NOT the hoax 19 Arab men, to invade targeted countries, as General Clark said, to frame Muslims and kill them at will to rob their resources, libraries, museums,case in Iraq, through invasion based on lies and using FALSE FLAG operation in the process in many Western capitals, recently in Barcelona, to erect "world Government", the zionist bankers project, using their zionist servants and trained terrorists such as Al Qaeda, Taliban, traitor kurds, ISIS, and other terrorist organizations around the world.

    People of Afghanistan will fight you back until you are out of their country, or totally are destroyed. The illiterate racist albino must read history 101 as soon as possible to recognize that Afghani people never give up their country to invaders, mass murderers, thieves and terrorists.

    What are Americans doing all over the world erecting more that 1000 military bases in different countries to conduct act of terrorism, train terrorists to be used in the targeted countries, like in Britain and Spain, committing crimes against humanity. People of the world know that majority of the terrors are designed and executed by the axis of evil US - Israel - Britain with cooperation of the Western intelligence services. You are dumb not us.

    Any country that allows the mass murderers have a base in their territory is A COLONY.

    their territory is A COLONY.

    what do you think the ZUSA is?

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  23. Rurik says:
    @Talha

    Is not “prolonged indecision” what the Trump strategy promises?
     
    No, that would be silly. He was elected because he makes decisions - hard, calculated decisions. We now have a viable strategy:
    “One of the ways McMaster tried to persuade Trump to recommit to the effort was by convincing him that Afghanistan was not a hopeless place. He presented Trump with a black-and-white snapshot from 1972 of Afghan women in miniskirts walking through Kabul, to show him that Western norms had existed there before and could return.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/its-a-hard-problem-inside-trumps-decision-to-send-more-troops-to-afghanistan/2017/08/21/14dcb126-868b-11e7-a94f-3139abce39f5_story.html?utm_term=.9ff939e9f12a

    Far from being indecisive, that is a very specific goal and metric. We will no longer rely on body counts - pfffshshsh - can't eat that! Rather we will measure progress by receding skirt length in Kabul. We will fight for every inch! Every! Inch!

    Once skirt lengths have been liberated to the knee, we can have a national referendum on whether we consider this to be an adequate sign of victory or not. Shall we call it a day? Or liberate up to mid-thigh or shall we not surrender until hot-pants are ubiquitous? My God - the will of a nation and what it can achieve! Onward! The ticker tape parade will not be held until we have enough shards and strips to use that we have cut down from evil long skirts!!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQnVluC2kEI

    Peace.

    We will fight for every inch! Every! Inch!

    lol

    I go into stores these days and I see twelve year old girls with her parents and her ass cheeks are falling out of her shorts.

    you just shake your head, and wonder wtf

    they’re even sexualizing toddlers

    but then I hear of Afghan men chaining boys to their bed, and US soldiers are told to be tolerant of their ways, so there’s some f’d up sh** all over the place I guess

    Peace

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    Hey Rurik,

    they’re even sexualizing toddlers
     
    Wow! I had not known it had gotten this bad - I thought it was not happening until they hit the "tweens".

    there’s some f’d up sh** all over the place I guess
     
    Yeah - the Day of Judgement will be long and grim.

    Peace.
    , @KA
    As the Washington Post put it:

    “One of the ways McMaster tried to persuade Trump to recommit to the effort was by convincing him that Afghanistan was not a hopeless place. He presented Trump with a black-and-white snapshot from 1972 of Afghan women in miniskirts walking through Kabul, to show him that Western norms had existed there before and could return.”

    http://original.antiwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/women-kabul2.jpg

    If a foreign nation or gangster with American administration's mentality successfully conducts a revolution in this country , American men also would be chaining boys to their beds.

  24. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rurik

    But Mr. Buchanan – who unlike some of Unz’s best declines to engage with commenting readers – adds little value to this website.
     
    says *anonymous*

    Pseudonym or “real handle” — what’s the difference?

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    Pseudonym or “real handle” — what’s the difference?
     
    exactly

    why hide when it's so simple to create a 'handle'?

    and then enter the fray

    unless you're unwilling, but then why criticize someone like Buchanan, (whose time is probably worth big bucks) for not wanting to subject himself to vitriol that often comes from people who won't even 'sign' their comments?
  25. Rurik says:
    @Gemjunior
    I know that Trump has faced nothing but opposition since he started but thats no
    excuse in my opinion. There are so many things this President Giant Headed Ass (I voted for and still don't even regret it, given the other choice) could have done and STILL could do to save his presidency and make it a success. He is really letting them walk all over him. Any fight he does show is usually towards some petty personal stupidity. He could stop
    trying to be liked by the opposition. Get rid of Kushner and Ivanka (for the love of God), get a good lawyer to SUE the whole damn media and the nutters like Maxine Waters etc.,for libel and slander about the Russia nonsense among many other unnecessary insults, FIRE Mueller NOW, COMMAND the army corps. of engineers to start the wall's construction right this second (why he was elected), and stop tweeting like an ass. Put any governor and mayor insisting on sanctuary city in jail for thwarting the will of the American people, because ultimately that is who they are against - US. The fact is none of the campaign promises have been kept, Hillary and Obama are probably giving directions and having them carried out, treason is happening all over with members of congress openly flouting our president that WE elected to carry out our wishes, and the jerk is just sitting there taking this crap from them! War is at our door - Putin must be embarrassed for Trump too. He is totally ineffectual for someone who was elected precisely because he seemed he could BE effectual! Notice how nobody's talking about Russian collusion delusion now? They are going to drop that angle and sink their teeth into the new white supremacist angle now!! And ride it to get to The Presidential Bighead enough to make him go crazy. Read Ann Coulters column calling him out for having a "tiny God Emporer's ego," which sounds pretty good as a description!!

    The fact is none of the campaign promises have been kept,

    don’t forget TPP

    and Gorsuch

    and Paris

    and cutting off CIA funds/arms to ISIS

    and dissing Merkel

    .. I’m sure there’s a few others

    but I get what you’re saying, I only think that he has more enemies in the GOP than in the MSM and DNC

    and that suggests he’s trying to do some good

    knowing the kind of sewer DC is, and how many entrenched enemies of the republic are there, we have to patient with Trump I think.

    so far there’s been no war with Russia, no war with Iran, no wars at all, except this little disappointment in Afghanistan. Which I’m hoping is a glitch.

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    Well, there is

    Kushner;

    firing Bannon;

    the Syrian missile strike;

    flip-flopping and waffling horribly on repealing the ACA;

    apparently favoring more asset forfeiture by appointing Sessions - a creature of the swamp if there ever was one given that almost all of his adult life has been in the public sector;

    reiterating, in Poland, the US commitment to NATO;

    failing to stick to his guns on Charlottesville - he should have had video ready of the BLM and antifa thugs doing their thing to show during his press conference; and

    filling his administration with so many NEOCOHENS, Goldman Sachs boys, and military types.
  26. Talha says:
    @Rurik

    We will fight for every inch! Every! Inch!
     
    lol

    I go into stores these days and I see twelve year old girls with her parents and her ass cheeks are falling out of her shorts.

    you just shake your head, and wonder wtf

    they're even sexualizing toddlers

    http://sweetlilyou.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/madonna-bra-toddler.jpg

    but then I hear of Afghan men chaining boys to their bed, and US soldiers are told to be tolerant of their ways, so there's some f'd up sh** all over the place I guess

    Peace

    Hey Rurik,

    they’re even sexualizing toddlers

    Wow! I had not known it had gotten this bad – I thought it was not happening until they hit the “tweens”.

    there’s some f’d up sh** all over the place I guess

    Yeah – the Day of Judgement will be long and grim.

    Peace.

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  27. Talha says:
    @Talha
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH10xvAUwAAzykJ.jpg

    Pretty damning article – apparently this cluster**** could have been ended a long time ago:

    “So when the Taliban came to surrender, the U.S. turned them down repeatedly, in a series of arrogant blunders spelled out in Anand Gopal’s investigative treatment of the Afghanistan war, ‘No Good Men Among the Living.’…So how do you kill terrorists if there aren’t any? Simple: Afghans that the U.S. worked with understood the predicament their military sponsors were in, so they fabricated bad guys. Demand has a way of creating supply, and the U.S. was paying for information that led to the death or capture of Taliban fighters. Suddenly there were Taliban everywhere.’

    https://theintercept.com/2017/08/22/afghanistan-donald-trump-taliban-surrender-here-we-are/

    Hmmmm – going as well as the ‘war on drugs’.

    Peace.

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  28. @Rurik

    The fact is none of the campaign promises have been kept,
     
    don't forget TPP

    and Gorsuch

    and Paris

    and cutting off CIA funds/arms to ISIS

    and dissing Merkel

    .. I'm sure there's a few others

    but I get what you're saying, I only think that he has more enemies in the GOP than in the MSM and DNC

    and that suggests he's trying to do some good

    knowing the kind of sewer DC is, and how many entrenched enemies of the republic are there, we have to patient with Trump I think.

    so far there's been no war with Russia, no war with Iran, no wars at all, except this little disappointment in Afghanistan. Which I'm hoping is a glitch.

    Well, there is

    Kushner;

    firing Bannon;

    the Syrian missile strike;

    flip-flopping and waffling horribly on repealing the ACA;

    apparently favoring more asset forfeiture by appointing Sessions – a creature of the swamp if there ever was one given that almost all of his adult life has been in the public sector;

    reiterating, in Poland, the US commitment to NATO;

    failing to stick to his guns on Charlottesville – he should have had video ready of the BLM and antifa thugs doing their thing to show during his press conference; and

    filling his administration with so many NEOCOHENS, Goldman Sachs boys, and military types.

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    there's a lot more than that!

    but what we all have to consider is what he's dealing with

    these sewer vermin are entrenched and unscrupulous to say the least. They'd certainly kill him if he went too far, and we all know that. His challenge is to get as many loyal people in positions of power as soon as he can without getting impeached or JFK'd- before he starts to drain the sewer.

    the entire deepstate is watching, and the second he looks like he could prevail over them, he'd be gone, unless or until he can stack the congress and intelligence agencies with non-deepstate people.

    That's why the 2018 election is going to be so critical. We need to replace the GOP cucks like Ryan and others so Trump will have something to work with.

    I'd love to see Sessions go, as I agree, he's a sewer critter, but these things take time.
  29. Rurik says:
    @anonymous
    Pseudonym or "real handle" -- what's the difference?

    Pseudonym or “real handle” — what’s the difference?

    exactly

    why hide when it’s so simple to create a ‘handle’?

    and then enter the fray

    unless you’re unwilling, but then why criticize someone like Buchanan, (whose time is probably worth big bucks) for not wanting to subject himself to vitriol that often comes from people who won’t even ‘sign’ their comments?

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    I'm sorry to waste anyone else's time here, but this hangup among some of the commenters continues to mystify me.

    Any comment can be vitriolic or constructive, no matter who posts it. And I'm not "hiding" any more than you are. (Indeed, recall the drama of your being threatened with public exposure by another author published here, whose reapproval you since seem to be seeking on the thread under Linh Dinh's current article.) Pat Buchanan makes no such distinction, ignoring us one and all -- he must be even busier than Ron Unz, who does find time to participate in his own and other articles' threads.

    I have chosen not to become "Revusky's Strop" or some such because I have seen website comment threads degrade over time due to obsessive participation by people who have nothing particularly valuable to ask or say, but just show up to mark their spots or carry on silly feuds. (Again, recall your tiresome dialogue with JR.) I don't want to see Unz Review a year from now looking like, say, Taki's, with comments such as "First," and the same handful of juvenile fools witlessly poking or flattering each other.

    As I've said several times, I do see you as a generally valuable commenter. However, you are simply that. Our host makes the rules, which allow us to participate here anonymously. If you don't find that acceptable, you can always pretend that I haven't done so.

  30. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike
    Well, there is

    Kushner;

    firing Bannon;

    the Syrian missile strike;

    flip-flopping and waffling horribly on repealing the ACA;

    apparently favoring more asset forfeiture by appointing Sessions - a creature of the swamp if there ever was one given that almost all of his adult life has been in the public sector;

    reiterating, in Poland, the US commitment to NATO;

    failing to stick to his guns on Charlottesville - he should have had video ready of the BLM and antifa thugs doing their thing to show during his press conference; and

    filling his administration with so many NEOCOHENS, Goldman Sachs boys, and military types.

    there’s a lot more than that!

    but what we all have to consider is what he’s dealing with

    these sewer vermin are entrenched and unscrupulous to say the least. They’d certainly kill him if he went too far, and we all know that. His challenge is to get as many loyal people in positions of power as soon as he can without getting impeached or JFK’d- before he starts to drain the sewer.

    the entire deepstate is watching, and the second he looks like he could prevail over them, he’d be gone, unless or until he can stack the congress and intelligence agencies with non-deepstate people.

    That’s why the 2018 election is going to be so critical. We need to replace the GOP cucks like Ryan and others so Trump will have something to work with.

    I’d love to see Sessions go, as I agree, he’s a sewer critter, but these things take time.

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    "His challenge is to get as many loyal people in positions of power as soon as he can without getting impeached or JFK’d- before he starts to drain the sewer."

    He is constantly retreating from that presumed goal. At first, but not for very long, it seemed as if he might be fighting for that goal, but now, after the surrender of his "position" on Afghanistan, it seems he has given up. It also seems possible that he never had the goals we thought he had, that he was just saying those things to get elected (do ya think?), and that he is nothing but a spoiled rich kid who wanted to prance around and be glorified as President and THAT is his goal. If so, his plans are proceeding in the right direction after a bit of a rocky start
  31. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rurik

    Pseudonym or “real handle” — what’s the difference?
     
    exactly

    why hide when it's so simple to create a 'handle'?

    and then enter the fray

    unless you're unwilling, but then why criticize someone like Buchanan, (whose time is probably worth big bucks) for not wanting to subject himself to vitriol that often comes from people who won't even 'sign' their comments?

    I’m sorry to waste anyone else’s time here, but this hangup among some of the commenters continues to mystify me.

    Any comment can be vitriolic or constructive, no matter who posts it. And I’m not “hiding” any more than you are. (Indeed, recall the drama of your being threatened with public exposure by another author published here, whose reapproval you since seem to be seeking on the thread under Linh Dinh’s current article.) Pat Buchanan makes no such distinction, ignoring us one and all — he must be even busier than Ron Unz, who does find time to participate in his own and other articles’ threads.

    I have chosen not to become “Revusky’s Strop” or some such because I have seen website comment threads degrade over time due to obsessive participation by people who have nothing particularly valuable to ask or say, but just show up to mark their spots or carry on silly feuds. (Again, recall your tiresome dialogue with JR.) I don’t want to see Unz Review a year from now looking like, say, Taki’s, with comments such as “First,” and the same handful of juvenile fools witlessly poking or flattering each other.

    As I’ve said several times, I do see you as a generally valuable commenter. However, you are simply that. Our host makes the rules, which allow us to participate here anonymously. If you don’t find that acceptable, you can always pretend that I haven’t done so.

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    I’m sorry to waste anyone else’s time here, but this hangup among some of the commenters continues to mystify me.
     
    the irony is that you seem to be the only one who has a 'hangup'

    And I’m not “hiding” any more than you are.
     
    yes you are. Posting anonymously creates confusion. There's no continuity to a discussion. I might write a reply to something you said and a completely different person may assume your 'identity' and write a reply back. It's confounding and distracting.

    Just pick some name and use it if you want to have a discussion, otherwise you're just being a nuisance. I'm not suggesting that you use your real name, that would be silly. But if you want to engage with people, then you should have an identifiable identity for people to engage with.

    whose reapproval you since seem to be seeking on the thread under Linh Dinh’s
     
    aww, were you hoping for some carnage?

    I try to emulate the Unz very own Talha when it comes to civility and etiquette when posting. That's all. I'm not as good as he is at it, but I aspire to be.

    Our host makes the rules, which allow us to participate here anonymously. If you don’t find that acceptable
     
    I'm hardly telling you what's acceptable. Please. I'm only saying that if you want to have a dialogue with others, then you should have an identity that they can recognize when you opine. Otherwise it's annoying.

    If you just want to post something for the general readership to consider, and then walk away, posting anonymously is fine. And makes sense. But if you're trying to engage and discuss on-going ideas .. then doing so is counter-productive.

    cheers

    [to whomever the **** I'm talking to]
  32. KA says:
    @Rurik

    We will fight for every inch! Every! Inch!
     
    lol

    I go into stores these days and I see twelve year old girls with her parents and her ass cheeks are falling out of her shorts.

    you just shake your head, and wonder wtf

    they're even sexualizing toddlers

    http://sweetlilyou.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/madonna-bra-toddler.jpg

    but then I hear of Afghan men chaining boys to their bed, and US soldiers are told to be tolerant of their ways, so there's some f'd up sh** all over the place I guess

    Peace

    As the Washington Post put it:

    “One of the ways McMaster tried to persuade Trump to recommit to the effort was by convincing him that Afghanistan was not a hopeless place. He presented Trump with a black-and-white snapshot from 1972 of Afghan women in miniskirts walking through Kabul, to show him that Western norms had existed there before and could return.”

    If a foreign nation or gangster with American administration’s mentality successfully conducts a revolution in this country , American men also would be chaining boys to their beds.

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    The irony is that when Afghanistan was supposedly a bastion of short skirts and other Western norms it had a communist central government that we helped overthrow by our material support to the mujahideen. Someone needs to get the memo to H.R. McMaster of Disaster.

    Not long after the Taliban fashion police outlawed the mini skirt. But now we want to go back to the good old days.

    , @The Scalpel
    Regarding the photo, look at that guy in the black robes crouching over in the corner just waiting to pounce.
    , @Rurik

    American men also would be chaining boys to their beds.
     
    nope

    inside certain homosexual circles they might, but American men in general would never tolerate such actions as a cultural norm. Fuck no.

    I used to study anthropology, and there are certain universal distinctions between the different tribes/races of humans. If you hear of a toddler that was gang raped, you can be sure it was done by blacks. If you hear of a dog whose bones were broken before he is killed and eaten- in order to enhance the meal, you can be sure it was Asians. I'm not saying it has never been done by others, but with almost near certainty, you can make certain general observations about the human tribes and their proclivities. Cannibalism (like clitorectomies) are very rare as a cultural phenomena among the white races, but common among others. Or was, until it was stamped out by the white man's outrage.

    chaining a boy to a bed as a sexual slave simply is not something most races/tribes of humans are willing to tolerate. Like incest, there is a near universal abhorrence of such acts that come straight out of our DNA. For a culture to tolerate it, means that there is something very deep and grotesque in the DNA of a people that would practice such norms.
  33. KenH says:
    @anonymous
    "But if it prevents tens of thousands of ... Afghans ... from entering America as refugees then I guess there’s a silver lining."*

    History suggests just the opposite, doesn't it?

    * I removed some of the words from your comment in the hope that, stepping back, you would see how you're being gulled with your own bigotry. If it were the Afghan Empire droning your neighborhood, the sheeplike over there would be demeaning your kind in the same way. Ruling Class 101.

    * I removed some of the words from your comment in the hope that, stepping back, you would see how you’re being gulled with your own bigotry.

    Maybe you should step back and acknowledge your own willful blindness about racial and cultural differences between Muslim Afghans and white Westerners. Afghanistan has a stone age culture.

    We shouldn’t be over there anymore but drone strikes don’t turn them into pedophiles and pederasts since that’s been part of their culture for well over 1000 years.

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    Think what you will about "them," but you've evaded ny question.

    Isn't it apparent to you that, as Steve Sailer has put it, one way to end up inviting the world is to invade the world? France, for instance, now has many Algerians.

    If you don't want "them" in "your" country, then I hope you're left unaroused by the camouflage baseball uniforms, etc.

    Hey, I've never been there, but hope to visit some day once they are permitted to resume living their own lives, pre-USSR, Zbig's Taliban, etc. If you're personally familiar with Afghanistan and its people, other than through combat, tell us what you think we need to know.

    , @Talha
    Hey KenH,

    drone strikes don’t turn them into pedophiles and pederasts since that’s been part of their culture for well over 1000 years...Maybe, but at least we stigmatize and punish ours. Afghanistan and other third world cultures do not.
     
    Drone strikes don't have that capability, but our presence is indeed keeping that practice alive. According to our own military, the Taliban eliminated it (that was part of what made them popular in the first place - they would not let war lords run amok kidnapping and abusing village boys) - we helped revive it:
    “The Taliban made the practice punishable by death, but bacha bazi has been resurrected since the fall of the Taliban.”
    https://www.sigar.mil/pdf/quarterlyreports/2015-10-30qr.pdf

    Once our presence ends, the Taliban will come back and start hanging these men again.

    And no - it is not a stone age culture - it is late medieval. They probably haven't moved much since the time of the gun-powder empires. You can't just roll it back tens of thousands of years on say-so.


    racial and cultural differences between Muslim Afghans and white Westerners
     
    Agreed. One of the most interesting articles I read on this subject was on Russian POWs that decided to stay and make Afghanistan their home:
    "While some former prisoners of war began to come back to Russia in the 1990s, many decided to stay. Some didn't want to come back since they were deserters or had already converted to Islam...
    When I looked at him, I saw a typical Russian man. His six children are all blond and blue-eyed. But despite their Russian appearance, they are totally immersed in the local culture. When I visited him, his son obediently served us food. The way they received guests was very ritualistic and patriarchal. It's not common in Russia anymore."
    https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/russian-soldiers-start-a-second-life-in-afghanistan-47933

    Peace.

  34. KenH says:
    @Liberty Mike
    America, too, is steeped in a culture of violence. Pedophilia and pederasty, the world over, is way overstated and the allegations of such are usually emanating from professional victims ("ooh, the priest played with my pee-pee, my life is ruined").

    America, too, is steeped in a culture of violence.

    It’s called the presence of blacks and Latinos. Without them America’s violent crime rate would be some of the lowest in the world.

    Pedophilia and pederasty, the world over, is way overstated

    Maybe, but at least we stigmatize and punish ours. Afghanistan and other third world cultures do not.

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  35. KenH says:
    @KA
    As the Washington Post put it:

    “One of the ways McMaster tried to persuade Trump to recommit to the effort was by convincing him that Afghanistan was not a hopeless place. He presented Trump with a black-and-white snapshot from 1972 of Afghan women in miniskirts walking through Kabul, to show him that Western norms had existed there before and could return.”

    http://original.antiwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/women-kabul2.jpg

    If a foreign nation or gangster with American administration's mentality successfully conducts a revolution in this country , American men also would be chaining boys to their beds.

    The irony is that when Afghanistan was supposedly a bastion of short skirts and other Western norms it had a communist central government that we helped overthrow by our material support to the mujahideen. Someone needs to get the memo to H.R. McMaster of Disaster.

    Not long after the Taliban fashion police outlawed the mini skirt. But now we want to go back to the good old days.

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  36. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @MEexpert
    Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This quote is so well-known that almost everyone knows it, except perhaps the politicians and the generals. Afghanistan has been called the deathbed of empires. The two recent empires to go down are the British and the Soviet. For almost 200 years the British tried to tame the Afghan tribes but couldn't. The devastation they caused did not deter the natives. It is all there in the history books for everyone to read. The Soviet empire didn't even last ten years. It cut its losses and ran.

    The lack of teaching of history and geography in American schools is quite evident when one looks at the performance of American forces in Afghanistan after 17 years. Add the arrogance of the Presidents and the generals to this lack of knowledge and one can understand the disasterous results of the Afghan war. One other subject that is missing from the modern presidency is diplomacy. War over diplomacy seems to be the order of the day.

    Trump, however, was elected to end America’s involvement in Middle East wars. And if he has been persuaded that he simply cannot liquidate these wars — Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan — he will likely end up sacrificing his presidency, trying to rescue the failures of those who worked hardest to keep him out of the White House.
     
    Trump does not even remember what he was elected to do. A man who was determined to drain the swamp is deep, up to his neck, in that swamp. The neocons and the never-Trumpers are the main decision makers in the Trump administration. All the loyal supporters have been chased out of the Trump's inner circle. A man who built his empire with his brain and shrewdness can't seem to handle the Presidency. He is trying to appease the very same people who opposed him in the election.

    Trump himself seems hell-bent on tearing up the nuclear deal with Iran. This would lead inexorably to a U.S. ultimatum, where Iran would be expected to back down or face a war that would set the Persian Gulf ablaze.
     
    It is never going to happen. Not only the Middle East would be set ablaze, but America will lose its European allies as well. The relations with Russia are already confrontational and heading fast towards an ultimate war. European allies are also confused about the US foreign policy or lack thereof. Trade war is brewing with China. The only country which is happy with this chaos is Israel.

    For a smart businessman, Donald Trump can't seem to make any friends. There is a very simple solution to these wars of choice. Mr. Trump swallow your pride and bring the boys home. You will save American lives and will also earn the gratitude of the families of these soldiers. You may even bring peace to many countries around the world and people who have been displaced by these wars can return home. You may even solve the refugee problem in the process. You might even save your presidency. Give peace a chance.

    “A man who built his empire with his brain and shrewdness can’t seem to handle the Presidency. He is trying to appease the very same people who opposed him in the election.”

    Amen

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  37. Corvinus says:
    @anonymous
    The illiterate mass murderer albino should know that the evil British empire was thrown out of Afghanistan three times like a ROTTEN RAT, therefore, the evil empire is going to receive the same fate.
    How many times brave Afghani should tell the evil empire to fuck off from our country? The 9/11 terror was staged by USG and Mossad, NOT the hoax 19 Arab men, to invade targeted countries, as General Clark said, to frame Muslims and kill them at will to rob their resources, libraries, museums,case in Iraq, through invasion based on lies and using FALSE FLAG operation in the process in many Western capitals, recently in Barcelona, to erect "world Government", the zionist bankers project, using their zionist servants and trained terrorists such as Al Qaeda, Taliban, traitor kurds, ISIS, and other terrorist organizations around the world.

    People of Afghanistan will fight you back until you are out of their country, or totally are destroyed. The illiterate racist albino must read history 101 as soon as possible to recognize that Afghani people never give up their country to invaders, mass murderers, thieves and terrorists.

    What are Americans doing all over the world erecting more that 1000 military bases in different countries to conduct act of terrorism, train terrorists to be used in the targeted countries, like in Britain and Spain, committing crimes against humanity. People of the world know that majority of the terrors are designed and executed by the axis of evil US - Israel - Britain with cooperation of the Western intelligence services. You are dumb not us.

    Any country that allows the mass murderers have a base in their territory is A COLONY.

    “The 9/11 terror was staged by USG and Mossad, NOT the hoax 19 Arab men, to invade targeted countries, as General Clark said, to frame Muslims and kill them at will to rob their resources, libraries, museums,case in Iraq, through invasion based on lies and using FALSE FLAG operation in the process in many Western capitals, recently in Barcelona, to erect “world Government”, the zionist bankers project, using their zionist servants and trained terrorists such as Al Qaeda, Taliban, traitor kurds, ISIS, and other terrorist organizations around the world.”

    GREAT story. Assuming it to be true, what are you personally doing about it to overthrow your Zionist masters? Why continue to be enslaved by their machinations? Do you not have a duty to engage in your own jihad to free yourself, and your progeny, from your oppressors?

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  38. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @KenH

    * I removed some of the words from your comment in the hope that, stepping back, you would see how you’re being gulled with your own bigotry.
     
    Maybe you should step back and acknowledge your own willful blindness about racial and cultural differences between Muslim Afghans and white Westerners. Afghanistan has a stone age culture.

    We shouldn't be over there anymore but drone strikes don't turn them into pedophiles and pederasts since that's been part of their culture for well over 1000 years.

    Think what you will about “them,” but you’ve evaded ny question.

    Isn’t it apparent to you that, as Steve Sailer has put it, one way to end up inviting the world is to invade the world? France, for instance, now has many Algerians.

    If you don’t want “them” in “your” country, then I hope you’re left unaroused by the camouflage baseball uniforms, etc.

    Hey, I’ve never been there, but hope to visit some day once they are permitted to resume living their own lives, pre-USSR, Zbig’s Taliban, etc. If you’re personally familiar with Afghanistan and its people, other than through combat, tell us what you think we need to know.

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    Think what you will about “them,” but you’ve evaded ny question.
     
    I haven't evaded your question because you didn't pose one. I'm totally against invade and world, invite the world. But just because we invade the world doesn't mean we're obligated to invite their displaced peoples in to wreck our nations with their alien cultures and propensity for violence.

    We can invade all we want and still keep people out. All it takes is the will which our ruling elites don't have.

    If you live in America I'll make sure the Muslim rape gangs are settled into your neighborhood then we can have a discussion about the inherent equality all races and cultures.

  39. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Rurik
    there's a lot more than that!

    but what we all have to consider is what he's dealing with

    these sewer vermin are entrenched and unscrupulous to say the least. They'd certainly kill him if he went too far, and we all know that. His challenge is to get as many loyal people in positions of power as soon as he can without getting impeached or JFK'd- before he starts to drain the sewer.

    the entire deepstate is watching, and the second he looks like he could prevail over them, he'd be gone, unless or until he can stack the congress and intelligence agencies with non-deepstate people.

    That's why the 2018 election is going to be so critical. We need to replace the GOP cucks like Ryan and others so Trump will have something to work with.

    I'd love to see Sessions go, as I agree, he's a sewer critter, but these things take time.

    “His challenge is to get as many loyal people in positions of power as soon as he can without getting impeached or JFK’d- before he starts to drain the sewer.”

    He is constantly retreating from that presumed goal. At first, but not for very long, it seemed as if he might be fighting for that goal, but now, after the surrender of his “position” on Afghanistan, it seems he has given up. It also seems possible that he never had the goals we thought he had, that he was just saying those things to get elected (do ya think?), and that he is nothing but a spoiled rich kid who wanted to prance around and be glorified as President and THAT is his goal. If so, his plans are proceeding in the right direction after a bit of a rocky start

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    It also seems possible that he never had the goals we thought he had, that he was just saying those things to get elected (do ya think?), and that he is nothing but a spoiled rich kid who wanted to prance around and be glorified as President and THAT is his goal. If so, his plans are proceeding in the right direction after a bit of a rocky start
     
    you might be completely right about all of that Scalpel.

    but even if so, then he's still infinitely better than the alternative would have been

    as I've mentioned, just the appointments to the Supreme Court so far make that true

    and he stopped the aid to ISIS, which means that Assad can stay, and Syria isn't slated as the next Libya, which is huge in my book

    as I said, you might be spot on with your characterization, but I suspect you're underestimating the size of his ego.

    I suspect that he wants to go down in the history books as a great statesman. He wants his children to revel in his legacy, and be proud of their last name. A name he would like to redound though the ages with the connotation of greatness attached to it.

    That's the size of his ego as I see it anyways, but we will find out I suppose.

    cheers
  40. @Mulegino1
    Pat is almost always right, but unfortunately, he is always either far ahead of his time - as in 1992 - or far behind it- as in the present. Pat is the Vivaldi of political columnists as he has written the same column every week for the past 20 years, but that does not detract from the fact that he is still better than 99.9% of his "journalistic" colleagues.

    I like Buchanan too, but ultimately he’s a Reaganite who doesn’t quite grasp how disastrous Reagan’s embrace of the neoconservatives (a Faustian bargain if there ever was one) was, not just for the old GOP, but American conservatism in general. He’s a Republican stalwart who can’t completely shake free of the phony red-blue divide. He will never accept that a necessary condition for any kind of way out of this mess is the complete elimination of the Republican Party, and its various movement conservative mouthpieces. Julius Streicher was hanged for far less than the editors of National Review stand guilty of.

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    I agree completely. Buchanan's weakness is his Republicanism, and his failure to realize that it is no longer 1953. And you are correct about Julius Streicher- the guy was hanged for publishing cartoons!
    , @MarkinLA
    I think Buchanan is smart enough to know the real Reagan. However, just like Paul Craig Roberts, they cannot admit that the Reagan administration was the huge disaster for the country that it really was. They have made a living out of the Reagan myths. To come clean now and give the Reagan detractors the last laugh is something Buchanan will never do - either out of cult-like loyalty to Reagan as a friend or loyalty to the party that has lived off the Reagan myths (dimwit Republicans braying "we need another Reagan"). Destroying the Reagan myths is not something Pat would like to see - even if it means sanity returning to the countries governance.
  41. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @KA
    As the Washington Post put it:

    “One of the ways McMaster tried to persuade Trump to recommit to the effort was by convincing him that Afghanistan was not a hopeless place. He presented Trump with a black-and-white snapshot from 1972 of Afghan women in miniskirts walking through Kabul, to show him that Western norms had existed there before and could return.”

    http://original.antiwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/women-kabul2.jpg

    If a foreign nation or gangster with American administration's mentality successfully conducts a revolution in this country , American men also would be chaining boys to their beds.

    Regarding the photo, look at that guy in the black robes crouching over in the corner just waiting to pounce.

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    yes I see it. It just tells me to be aware of people like Jerry Falwell, Graham, Pat Robertson waiting patiently for the ultimate opportunity . Is the building behind Liberty University ?
  42. KenH says:
    @anonymous
    Think what you will about "them," but you've evaded ny question.

    Isn't it apparent to you that, as Steve Sailer has put it, one way to end up inviting the world is to invade the world? France, for instance, now has many Algerians.

    If you don't want "them" in "your" country, then I hope you're left unaroused by the camouflage baseball uniforms, etc.

    Hey, I've never been there, but hope to visit some day once they are permitted to resume living their own lives, pre-USSR, Zbig's Taliban, etc. If you're personally familiar with Afghanistan and its people, other than through combat, tell us what you think we need to know.

    Think what you will about “them,” but you’ve evaded ny question.

    I haven’t evaded your question because you didn’t pose one. I’m totally against invade and world, invite the world. But just because we invade the world doesn’t mean we’re obligated to invite their displaced peoples in to wreck our nations with their alien cultures and propensity for violence.

    We can invade all we want and still keep people out. All it takes is the will which our ruling elites don’t have.

    If you live in America I’ll make sure the Muslim rape gangs are settled into your neighborhood then we can have a discussion about the inherent equality all races and cultures.

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  43. Talha says:
    @KenH

    * I removed some of the words from your comment in the hope that, stepping back, you would see how you’re being gulled with your own bigotry.
     
    Maybe you should step back and acknowledge your own willful blindness about racial and cultural differences between Muslim Afghans and white Westerners. Afghanistan has a stone age culture.

    We shouldn't be over there anymore but drone strikes don't turn them into pedophiles and pederasts since that's been part of their culture for well over 1000 years.

    Hey KenH,

    drone strikes don’t turn them into pedophiles and pederasts since that’s been part of their culture for well over 1000 years…Maybe, but at least we stigmatize and punish ours. Afghanistan and other third world cultures do not.

    Drone strikes don’t have that capability, but our presence is indeed keeping that practice alive. According to our own military, the Taliban eliminated it (that was part of what made them popular in the first place – they would not let war lords run amok kidnapping and abusing village boys) – we helped revive it:
    “The Taliban made the practice punishable by death, but bacha bazi has been resurrected since the fall of the Taliban.”

    https://www.sigar.mil/pdf/quarterlyreports/2015-10-30qr.pdf

    Once our presence ends, the Taliban will come back and start hanging these men again.

    And no – it is not a stone age culture – it is late medieval. They probably haven’t moved much since the time of the gun-powder empires. You can’t just roll it back tens of thousands of years on say-so.

    racial and cultural differences between Muslim Afghans and white Westerners

    Agreed. One of the most interesting articles I read on this subject was on Russian POWs that decided to stay and make Afghanistan their home:
    “While some former prisoners of war began to come back to Russia in the 1990s, many decided to stay. Some didn’t want to come back since they were deserters or had already converted to Islam…
    When I looked at him, I saw a typical Russian man. His six children are all blond and blue-eyed. But despite their Russian appearance, they are totally immersed in the local culture. When I visited him, his son obediently served us food. The way they received guests was very ritualistic and patriarchal. It’s not common in Russia anymore.”

    https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/russian-soldiers-start-a-second-life-in-afghanistan-47933

    Peace.

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    the Taliban eliminated it (that was part of what made them popular in the first place – they would not let war lords run amok kidnapping and abusing village boys) – we helped revive it:
     
    yep

    I remember reading a great piece by Steve Sailer on the subject a long time ago. (I can't find it now for some reason)

    but anyways it was all about why these people would want these strict Islamists enforcing such a severe interpretation of the Quran on them. Why submit and subject yourselves to that.

    and the answer was because of the alternative, which was an Afghanistan that was ruled by local tribal war lords, who would often take young boys from the local villages as their sex slaves. These boys lives' would then be ruined even after they were tossed aside for a younger one. The only alternative that these villagers had was the Taliban, who didn't tolerate such things. Like the heroin production that the CIA has reconstituted with vigor, since the Taliban had shut it down completely.

    It was a fascinating article and I wish I could find it. Anyways what you say is true, and beyond tragic.

    Peace
    , @KenH

    According to our own military, the Taliban eliminated it (that was part of what made them popular in the first place – they would not let war lords run amok kidnapping and abusing village boys) – we helped revive it:
     
    I read snippets over the years that they had or were trying to abolish the practice until we invaded and deposed them. But then during his tour of duty, the late Pat Tillman observed young teenage boys who would cater to Taliban fighters and sometimes have sex with some of them. This is mentioned in the book Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman by Jon Krakauer.

    Tillman had trouble reconciling that some of these very tough and manly Taliban fighters sexually consorted with young boys.

    I've read accounts by other U.S. soldiers in that theater who observed the same thing in a few cases. So it seems the Taliban's philosophy is "pederasty for me but not for thee".


    And no – it is not a stone age culture – it is late medieval
     
    Call it what you want, but Afghanistan hasn't changed much in 500 or more years in terms of civilizational progress and cultural norms. At least by Western standards.

    Agreed. One of the most interesting articles I read on this subject was on Russian POWs that decided to stay and make Afghanistan their home:
     
    I learned about this around 7-8 years ago from a book about the Soviet-Afghan war. It was quite a revelation that a small number of deserters and POW's elected to stay behind and convert to Islam. Some of the deserters sought refuge among the Afghan tribes during the war if I recall.
  44. KA says:
    @The Scalpel
    Regarding the photo, look at that guy in the black robes crouching over in the corner just waiting to pounce.

    yes I see it. It just tells me to be aware of people like Jerry Falwell, Graham, Pat Robertson waiting patiently for the ultimate opportunity . Is the building behind Liberty University ?

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  45. Rurik says:
    @anonymous
    I'm sorry to waste anyone else's time here, but this hangup among some of the commenters continues to mystify me.

    Any comment can be vitriolic or constructive, no matter who posts it. And I'm not "hiding" any more than you are. (Indeed, recall the drama of your being threatened with public exposure by another author published here, whose reapproval you since seem to be seeking on the thread under Linh Dinh's current article.) Pat Buchanan makes no such distinction, ignoring us one and all -- he must be even busier than Ron Unz, who does find time to participate in his own and other articles' threads.

    I have chosen not to become "Revusky's Strop" or some such because I have seen website comment threads degrade over time due to obsessive participation by people who have nothing particularly valuable to ask or say, but just show up to mark their spots or carry on silly feuds. (Again, recall your tiresome dialogue with JR.) I don't want to see Unz Review a year from now looking like, say, Taki's, with comments such as "First," and the same handful of juvenile fools witlessly poking or flattering each other.

    As I've said several times, I do see you as a generally valuable commenter. However, you are simply that. Our host makes the rules, which allow us to participate here anonymously. If you don't find that acceptable, you can always pretend that I haven't done so.

    I’m sorry to waste anyone else’s time here, but this hangup among some of the commenters continues to mystify me.

    the irony is that you seem to be the only one who has a ‘hangup’

    And I’m not “hiding” any more than you are.

    yes you are. Posting anonymously creates confusion. There’s no continuity to a discussion. I might write a reply to something you said and a completely different person may assume your ‘identity’ and write a reply back. It’s confounding and distracting.

    Just pick some name and use it if you want to have a discussion, otherwise you’re just being a nuisance. I’m not suggesting that you use your real name, that would be silly. But if you want to engage with people, then you should have an identifiable identity for people to engage with.

    whose reapproval you since seem to be seeking on the thread under Linh Dinh’s

    aww, were you hoping for some carnage?

    I try to emulate the Unz very own Talha when it comes to civility and etiquette when posting. That’s all. I’m not as good as he is at it, but I aspire to be.

    Our host makes the rules, which allow us to participate here anonymously. If you don’t find that acceptable

    I’m hardly telling you what’s acceptable. Please. I’m only saying that if you want to have a dialogue with others, then you should have an identity that they can recognize when you opine. Otherwise it’s annoying.

    If you just want to post something for the general readership to consider, and then walk away, posting anonymously is fine. And makes sense. But if you’re trying to engage and discuss on-going ideas .. then doing so is counter-productive.

    cheers

    [to whomever the **** I'm talking to]

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  46. Rurik says:
    @KA
    As the Washington Post put it:

    “One of the ways McMaster tried to persuade Trump to recommit to the effort was by convincing him that Afghanistan was not a hopeless place. He presented Trump with a black-and-white snapshot from 1972 of Afghan women in miniskirts walking through Kabul, to show him that Western norms had existed there before and could return.”

    http://original.antiwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/women-kabul2.jpg

    If a foreign nation or gangster with American administration's mentality successfully conducts a revolution in this country , American men also would be chaining boys to their beds.

    American men also would be chaining boys to their beds.

    nope

    inside certain homosexual circles they might, but American men in general would never tolerate such actions as a cultural norm. Fuck no.

    I used to study anthropology, and there are certain universal distinctions between the different tribes/races of humans. If you hear of a toddler that was gang raped, you can be sure it was done by blacks. If you hear of a dog whose bones were broken before he is killed and eaten- in order to enhance the meal, you can be sure it was Asians. I’m not saying it has never been done by others, but with almost near certainty, you can make certain general observations about the human tribes and their proclivities. Cannibalism (like clitorectomies) are very rare as a cultural phenomena among the white races, but common among others. Or was, until it was stamped out by the white man’s outrage.

    chaining a boy to a bed as a sexual slave simply is not something most races/tribes of humans are willing to tolerate. Like incest, there is a near universal abhorrence of such acts that come straight out of our DNA. For a culture to tolerate it, means that there is something very deep and grotesque in the DNA of a people that would practice such norms.

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    You are wrong .

    It doesn't work that way. The Americans with that tendency are in minority - a minuscule of minority But the climate and the ambience that prevent them from coming out and protect and nurture the normal honest Americans will be gone, disappeared by the revolution . Exactly same thing happened in Kabul. Weed grows overnight in the garden that has been defoliated and ransacked ,then left to its empty devices.

    Corruption that you see today in administration , the lack of morality, rampant lyings, utter non truth and never-ending shameless self promotion in media, among celebrities, in the government, among common folks were inconceivable even some 30 years ago.

    Nobody would have believed had someone warned US of the danger of the hubris after Soviet Collapse. In a way that enemy kept this country stable on many fronts including on moral values Though one could say that the creation of the myth around that enemy contributed to it at the first place

    , @anonymous

    For a culture to tolerate it, means that there is something very deep and grotesque in the DNA of a people that would practice such norms.
     
    Yes, whichever culture practices such is deeply grotesque. But, contrary to the hateful and bigoted beliefs white supremacists hold dear, it has no sanction in Islam. For those who sneer, sneer all you will, after all it is your polytheist/godless hide which is in peril. And, well-deserved too ;)

    So what say you Rurik, about a culture, proudly Christian, which finds acceptable the mass murder of millions, because those millions are somehow perceived as lesser, almost animal-like? A culture which cheers the dropping of atomic bombs on civilians? A culture whose greed and psychopathy knows no bounds?

    A culture which fancies itself topmost, but which will find itself at the bottom of the heap, utterly lost, for its rejection of His Oneness, and associating others with Him... if not in this world, surely in the next.

    How grotesque is that?
  47. Rurik says:
    @The Scalpel
    "His challenge is to get as many loyal people in positions of power as soon as he can without getting impeached or JFK’d- before he starts to drain the sewer."

    He is constantly retreating from that presumed goal. At first, but not for very long, it seemed as if he might be fighting for that goal, but now, after the surrender of his "position" on Afghanistan, it seems he has given up. It also seems possible that he never had the goals we thought he had, that he was just saying those things to get elected (do ya think?), and that he is nothing but a spoiled rich kid who wanted to prance around and be glorified as President and THAT is his goal. If so, his plans are proceeding in the right direction after a bit of a rocky start

    It also seems possible that he never had the goals we thought he had, that he was just saying those things to get elected (do ya think?), and that he is nothing but a spoiled rich kid who wanted to prance around and be glorified as President and THAT is his goal. If so, his plans are proceeding in the right direction after a bit of a rocky start

    you might be completely right about all of that Scalpel.

    but even if so, then he’s still infinitely better than the alternative would have been

    as I’ve mentioned, just the appointments to the Supreme Court so far make that true

    and he stopped the aid to ISIS, which means that Assad can stay, and Syria isn’t slated as the next Libya, which is huge in my book

    as I said, you might be spot on with your characterization, but I suspect you’re underestimating the size of his ego.

    I suspect that he wants to go down in the history books as a great statesman. He wants his children to revel in his legacy, and be proud of their last name. A name he would like to redound though the ages with the connotation of greatness attached to it.

    That’s the size of his ego as I see it anyways, but we will find out I suppose.

    cheers

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    All good points. I hope you are correct
    , @The Scalpel
    I thought a little more about your reply. I agree that Trump is better than the alternative and that some positive things have been accomplished. As far as his ego is concerned however, I think that he has found that the best way to stroke his ego is to be some sort of military commander. This is not surprising. Just about every President has used the same crutch. So we both agree that Trump is very ego driven, but where you see his ego leading to good things, I see his ego leading to bad things. He has tried various approaches, but the one that gets him the most praise, especially from his adversaries, is to be militaristic. Unfortunately, I see this leading to more of the same. If that approach doesn't agree with his supporters, I don't think he cares. He takes them for granted anyways.
  48. Mulegino1 says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    I like Buchanan too, but ultimately he's a Reaganite who doesn't quite grasp how disastrous Reagan's embrace of the neoconservatives (a Faustian bargain if there ever was one) was, not just for the old GOP, but American conservatism in general. He's a Republican stalwart who can't completely shake free of the phony red-blue divide. He will never accept that a necessary condition for any kind of way out of this mess is the complete elimination of the Republican Party, and its various movement conservative mouthpieces. Julius Streicher was hanged for far less than the editors of National Review stand guilty of.

    I agree completely. Buchanan’s weakness is his Republicanism, and his failure to realize that it is no longer 1953. And you are correct about Julius Streicher- the guy was hanged for publishing cartoons!

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  49. Rurik says:
    @Talha
    Hey KenH,

    drone strikes don’t turn them into pedophiles and pederasts since that’s been part of their culture for well over 1000 years...Maybe, but at least we stigmatize and punish ours. Afghanistan and other third world cultures do not.
     
    Drone strikes don't have that capability, but our presence is indeed keeping that practice alive. According to our own military, the Taliban eliminated it (that was part of what made them popular in the first place - they would not let war lords run amok kidnapping and abusing village boys) - we helped revive it:
    “The Taliban made the practice punishable by death, but bacha bazi has been resurrected since the fall of the Taliban.”
    https://www.sigar.mil/pdf/quarterlyreports/2015-10-30qr.pdf

    Once our presence ends, the Taliban will come back and start hanging these men again.

    And no - it is not a stone age culture - it is late medieval. They probably haven't moved much since the time of the gun-powder empires. You can't just roll it back tens of thousands of years on say-so.


    racial and cultural differences between Muslim Afghans and white Westerners
     
    Agreed. One of the most interesting articles I read on this subject was on Russian POWs that decided to stay and make Afghanistan their home:
    "While some former prisoners of war began to come back to Russia in the 1990s, many decided to stay. Some didn't want to come back since they were deserters or had already converted to Islam...
    When I looked at him, I saw a typical Russian man. His six children are all blond and blue-eyed. But despite their Russian appearance, they are totally immersed in the local culture. When I visited him, his son obediently served us food. The way they received guests was very ritualistic and patriarchal. It's not common in Russia anymore."
    https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/russian-soldiers-start-a-second-life-in-afghanistan-47933

    Peace.

    the Taliban eliminated it (that was part of what made them popular in the first place – they would not let war lords run amok kidnapping and abusing village boys) – we helped revive it:

    yep

    I remember reading a great piece by Steve Sailer on the subject a long time ago. (I can’t find it now for some reason)

    but anyways it was all about why these people would want these strict Islamists enforcing such a severe interpretation of the Quran on them. Why submit and subject yourselves to that.

    and the answer was because of the alternative, which was an Afghanistan that was ruled by local tribal war lords, who would often take young boys from the local villages as their sex slaves. These boys lives’ would then be ruined even after they were tossed aside for a younger one. The only alternative that these villagers had was the Taliban, who didn’t tolerate such things. Like the heroin production that the CIA has reconstituted with vigor, since the Taliban had shut it down completely.

    It was a fascinating article and I wish I could find it. Anyways what you say is true, and beyond tragic.

    Peace

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    Hey Rurik,

    and the answer was because of the alternative
     
    Bingo! It's a very easy experiment; imagine yourself in a land ruled by feuding war lords or roving bands of armed gangs that take what they want from local villages. It's a bit like the US-Mexican border during the Wild West but worse since some of these people had tanks and artillery. Imagine you can't let your boy out of the house or you worry about travelling with him any time you might pass a makeshift checkpoint/tax-station that any one of these groups have set up.

    What would you put up with to gain a semblance of law and order?

    They may have been brutal in applying the law, but as Michael Scheuer pointed out, at least they were applying the law:
    "We're really not in a position to push these people. Who's going to replace them? There isn't anyone less corrupt. Probably the only incorrupt people in Afghanistan are the Taliban. If you want no corruption, give the government back to the Taliban."
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-with-cia-veteran-michael-scheuer-only-the-taliban-are-not-corrupt-a-714936.html

    Peace.
  50. KA says:
    @Rurik

    American men also would be chaining boys to their beds.
     
    nope

    inside certain homosexual circles they might, but American men in general would never tolerate such actions as a cultural norm. Fuck no.

    I used to study anthropology, and there are certain universal distinctions between the different tribes/races of humans. If you hear of a toddler that was gang raped, you can be sure it was done by blacks. If you hear of a dog whose bones were broken before he is killed and eaten- in order to enhance the meal, you can be sure it was Asians. I'm not saying it has never been done by others, but with almost near certainty, you can make certain general observations about the human tribes and their proclivities. Cannibalism (like clitorectomies) are very rare as a cultural phenomena among the white races, but common among others. Or was, until it was stamped out by the white man's outrage.

    chaining a boy to a bed as a sexual slave simply is not something most races/tribes of humans are willing to tolerate. Like incest, there is a near universal abhorrence of such acts that come straight out of our DNA. For a culture to tolerate it, means that there is something very deep and grotesque in the DNA of a people that would practice such norms.

    You are wrong .

    It doesn’t work that way. The Americans with that tendency are in minority – a minuscule of minority But the climate and the ambience that prevent them from coming out and protect and nurture the normal honest Americans will be gone, disappeared by the revolution . Exactly same thing happened in Kabul. Weed grows overnight in the garden that has been defoliated and ransacked ,then left to its empty devices.

    Corruption that you see today in administration , the lack of morality, rampant lyings, utter non truth and never-ending shameless self promotion in media, among celebrities, in the government, among common folks were inconceivable even some 30 years ago.

    Nobody would have believed had someone warned US of the danger of the hubris after Soviet Collapse. In a way that enemy kept this country stable on many fronts including on moral values Though one could say that the creation of the myth around that enemy contributed to it at the first place

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  51. Talha says:
    @Rurik

    the Taliban eliminated it (that was part of what made them popular in the first place – they would not let war lords run amok kidnapping and abusing village boys) – we helped revive it:
     
    yep

    I remember reading a great piece by Steve Sailer on the subject a long time ago. (I can't find it now for some reason)

    but anyways it was all about why these people would want these strict Islamists enforcing such a severe interpretation of the Quran on them. Why submit and subject yourselves to that.

    and the answer was because of the alternative, which was an Afghanistan that was ruled by local tribal war lords, who would often take young boys from the local villages as their sex slaves. These boys lives' would then be ruined even after they were tossed aside for a younger one. The only alternative that these villagers had was the Taliban, who didn't tolerate such things. Like the heroin production that the CIA has reconstituted with vigor, since the Taliban had shut it down completely.

    It was a fascinating article and I wish I could find it. Anyways what you say is true, and beyond tragic.

    Peace

    Hey Rurik,

    and the answer was because of the alternative

    Bingo! It’s a very easy experiment; imagine yourself in a land ruled by feuding war lords or roving bands of armed gangs that take what they want from local villages. It’s a bit like the US-Mexican border during the Wild West but worse since some of these people had tanks and artillery. Imagine you can’t let your boy out of the house or you worry about travelling with him any time you might pass a makeshift checkpoint/tax-station that any one of these groups have set up.

    What would you put up with to gain a semblance of law and order?

    They may have been brutal in applying the law, but as Michael Scheuer pointed out, at least they were applying the law:
    “We’re really not in a position to push these people. Who’s going to replace them? There isn’t anyone less corrupt. Probably the only incorrupt people in Afghanistan are the Taliban. If you want no corruption, give the government back to the Taliban.”

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-with-cia-veteran-michael-scheuer-only-the-taliban-are-not-corrupt-a-714936.html

    Peace.

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    Hey Talha,

    Scheuer is a straight talking honest guy.

    And I agree with him.

    We're only in Afghanistan as a local military threat to Iran (on Israel's behalf of course) and for the CIA's heroin trafficking operation - which I don't know if it's more about the money or zombifying millions of people the world over.

    it's all evil

    Peace
  52. Rurik says:

    In a way that enemy kept this country stable on many fronts including on moral values

    dude

    America and other places were and have at different times over the eons descended into absolute barbarity. There have been many places and times where American type of men are unleashed with all their cruelty and amorality run amok.

    But never, ever in the history of America, going back to the Pilgrims and Amerindians and savage wilderness with trappers and mountain men and western outlaws, did America ever have anything close to a culture that would accept boys being chained as sex slaves. OK?

    get a grip

    it simply is not in our DNA. Literally

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    you lost the argument. You are making it up by assertions and claims

    There are plenty of instances of pedophilia cannibalism bestiality among the Europeans, among our pilgrims and even now among the military ( didn't they routine fuck kids at Abu Gharib ? or was it one off ? You might claim that to be the case . But no it is there in the vaunted DNA )

    throughout the ages starting from the Pope and beyond .
  53. Rurik says:
    @Talha
    Hey Rurik,

    and the answer was because of the alternative
     
    Bingo! It's a very easy experiment; imagine yourself in a land ruled by feuding war lords or roving bands of armed gangs that take what they want from local villages. It's a bit like the US-Mexican border during the Wild West but worse since some of these people had tanks and artillery. Imagine you can't let your boy out of the house or you worry about travelling with him any time you might pass a makeshift checkpoint/tax-station that any one of these groups have set up.

    What would you put up with to gain a semblance of law and order?

    They may have been brutal in applying the law, but as Michael Scheuer pointed out, at least they were applying the law:
    "We're really not in a position to push these people. Who's going to replace them? There isn't anyone less corrupt. Probably the only incorrupt people in Afghanistan are the Taliban. If you want no corruption, give the government back to the Taliban."
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-with-cia-veteran-michael-scheuer-only-the-taliban-are-not-corrupt-a-714936.html

    Peace.

    Hey Talha,

    Scheuer is a straight talking honest guy.

    And I agree with him.

    We’re only in Afghanistan as a local military threat to Iran (on Israel’s behalf of course) and for the CIA’s heroin trafficking operation – which I don’t know if it’s more about the money or zombifying millions of people the world over.

    it’s all evil

    Peace

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  54. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Rurik

    In a way that enemy kept this country stable on many fronts including on moral values
     
    dude

    America and other places were and have at different times over the eons descended into absolute barbarity. There have been many places and times where American type of men are unleashed with all their cruelty and amorality run amok.

    But never, ever in the history of America, going back to the Pilgrims and Amerindians and savage wilderness with trappers and mountain men and western outlaws, did America ever have anything close to a culture that would accept boys being chained as sex slaves. OK?

    get a grip

    it simply is not in our DNA. Literally

    you lost the argument. You are making it up by assertions and claims

    There are plenty of instances of pedophilia cannibalism bestiality among the Europeans, among our pilgrims and even now among the military ( didn’t they routine fuck kids at Abu Gharib ? or was it one off ? You might claim that to be the case . But no it is there in the vaunted DNA )

    throughout the ages starting from the Pope and beyond .

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  55. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Grandpa Charlie
    I think that the case of Korea is very different from all the others, but generally I agree with Mr. Buchanan to the extent that I say:

    Pat Buchanan for President!

    “Pat Buchanan for President!”

    Which would simply prove the maxim; Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!

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  56. Rurik says:

    There are plenty of instances of pedophilia cannibalism bestiality among the Europeans, among our pilgrims and even now among the military

    I never said it never happens. I made it clear there are aberrations.

    what I said was that it would never be culturally tolerated

    and I didn’t lose the argument, because I’m 100% correct.

    gang raping toddlers, cruelty to dogs, cannibalism and boy rape are not part of the Western people’s genetic makeup. We have our foibles, but those aren’t them.

    the Vatican is run by boy rapists, and that’s why the people of the West are rejecting them. That’s why Ireland is repudiating Catholicism- that’s been so sacred to their lives and part of their very identity for so long, because they can’t abide boy rape. So they’re willing to toss out their centuries old religion out of moral outrage.

    Even if you look in the prisons, where you’ll find the least moral and often most violent of all men, they can’t abide boy rape. Child rapists get shivved, while cop killers are local celebrities.

    there are some things that are hard wired

    I’m not saying white folks are better, just different.

    we’re all different. we all have peculiarities and proclivities and even similarities, but when it comes to chaining boys to a bed for sexual slavery, that shit just doesn’t fly here in the states, and never would. Unless we get a community of Afghans I suppose who would bring their ways with them.

    and we’d no doubt be lectured to celebrate multiculturalism and diversity and tolerance

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  57. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rurik

    American men also would be chaining boys to their beds.
     
    nope

    inside certain homosexual circles they might, but American men in general would never tolerate such actions as a cultural norm. Fuck no.

    I used to study anthropology, and there are certain universal distinctions between the different tribes/races of humans. If you hear of a toddler that was gang raped, you can be sure it was done by blacks. If you hear of a dog whose bones were broken before he is killed and eaten- in order to enhance the meal, you can be sure it was Asians. I'm not saying it has never been done by others, but with almost near certainty, you can make certain general observations about the human tribes and their proclivities. Cannibalism (like clitorectomies) are very rare as a cultural phenomena among the white races, but common among others. Or was, until it was stamped out by the white man's outrage.

    chaining a boy to a bed as a sexual slave simply is not something most races/tribes of humans are willing to tolerate. Like incest, there is a near universal abhorrence of such acts that come straight out of our DNA. For a culture to tolerate it, means that there is something very deep and grotesque in the DNA of a people that would practice such norms.

    For a culture to tolerate it, means that there is something very deep and grotesque in the DNA of a people that would practice such norms.

    Yes, whichever culture practices such is deeply grotesque. But, contrary to the hateful and bigoted beliefs white supremacists hold dear, it has no sanction in Islam. For those who sneer, sneer all you will, after all it is your polytheist/godless hide which is in peril. And, well-deserved too ;)

    So what say you Rurik, about a culture, proudly Christian, which finds acceptable the mass murder of millions, because those millions are somehow perceived as lesser, almost animal-like? A culture which cheers the dropping of atomic bombs on civilians? A culture whose greed and psychopathy knows no bounds?

    A culture which fancies itself topmost, but which will find itself at the bottom of the heap, utterly lost, for its rejection of His Oneness, and associating others with Him… if not in this world, surely in the next.

    How grotesque is that?

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    But, contrary to the hateful and bigoted beliefs white supremacists hold dear, it has no sanction in Islam.
     
    I never said it did. In fact I was just conversing with Talha about how it was the Taliban who stamped out the evil practice.

    For those who sneer, sneer all you will, after all it is your polytheist/godless hide which is in peril. And, well-deserved too ;)
     
    I also don't think it's in line with Muslim teachings to wish damnation upon others simply because you don't agree with them on some issues.

    what say you Rurik, about a culture, proudly Christian, which finds acceptable the mass murder of millions, because those millions are somehow perceived as lesser, almost animal-like?
     
    well, I can't really speak for Christianity, but I can say that I'm against genocide and murder and basically any cruelty or suffering of any kind. Now that said, after watching videos of ISIS burning men alive, and crucifying Christians, and torturing men and boys before they execute them and enslaving young women and girls as rape slaves.. well, I do consider them sub-human orcs.

    and I'd be all for wiping them off the face of the earth. And that has nothing to do with Christianity or 'white supremacy', but rather just my visceral reaction to men who are inhumanely cruel, for cruelty's sake. I feel the same way about Zionists when they shoot Arab boys for fun. Or so-called Christians who advocate for the slaughter of Muslims to force the Second Coming by filling Israel with the world's Jews according to their grotesque interpretation of the Bible.

    so my views are my views, and they have nothing to do with religion or 'white supremacy'. As far as the later, I believe that all people are entitled to self-determination. Blacks, whites, Christians and Muslims and Jews and Hindus and everyone else.

    No to wars for the fun and profit of evil men and women. That's what I believe, and have advocated at this site for a while now. And I will proudly answer to my Gods for everything I say and everything in my heart. I harbor no malice or hatred for anyone, but I do advocate for justice in the world, and that means condemning evil when I see it. And with ISIS, or Boko Haram, or genocidal Zionism, or it's ugly twin "Christian" Zionism, I'd like to see them reformed or gone. They're a blight to this earth and to the good people on it. IMHO.


    A culture whose greed and psychopathy knows no bounds?
     
    I never said Americans didn't have their foibles. I admitted that. And you're right, the American culture, especially as it's been marinated by the ((media)), is a rotten and disgusting thing to witness. But there's hope. Trump and Obama and even George W. Bush were elected to end the evil wars. It isn't the American people who're irredeemably greedy and murderous, rather its our elites. And for our American elites, I harbor more contempt and loathing than for even the animals of ISIS. If it were up to me, every single congressman who voted for treasonous wars based on lies, would be at the Hague in a cage. Where upon conviction for war crimes and crimes against humanity, I'd like to see them hanged by the neck until they stop dancing. And not really so much out of malice, but as an example to the next powerful person who's tempted to abuse that power for their own self-interest.

    (wow, I feel I'm doing therapy! Thanks anonymous poster)


    rejection of His Oneness, and associating others with Him
     
    now you've lost me

    what do you mean 'associating others with Him'?

    I'm assuming by His Oneness, you must mean Allah, as I've never heard a Christian speak of God that way. But let me ask you, if so, how did people of the West, who've mostly never even heard of Allah, except in some vague reference to a strange part of the world.. reject Him. When they don't even know who He even is?

    Or are we in the West supposed to genuflect to your God even if we don't know Him?

    Or are we supposed to treat the Biblical God as if He were Allah, and the point is that we genuflect at least to a God, even if it isn't the Oneness you speak of.

    It's all very confusing.

    , @Talha
    If you are a Muslim - salaam, bro; who taught you to approach people like this? I have studied under multiple scholars of various backgrounds - none of them have ever taught me to be belligerent or spiteful in approaching people about the deen. We ask non-Muslims to distinguish between us and some of the hateful extremists that commit horrible acts around the world; we owe them the same courtesy not to lump everyone together - otherwise this is sheer hypocrisy on our part.

    contrary to the hateful and bigoted beliefs white supremacists hold dear
     
    If you want to defeat ignorance it can be done simply with facts and straight talk, no need to insult people.

    "Not equal are the good deed and the evil deed. Repel with that which is fairer and behold, he - between whom and you there is enmity - shall be as if he were a loyal friend." (41:34)

    Wa salaam.
  58. Cyrano says:

    What Afghanistan fiasco from US perspective proves is that you can’t send boys to do men’s work. If they have only left the Russians to do their job, Afghanistan would be peaceful now. Of course, Communism was greater civilizational threat than Islam. Time to rethink that theory perhaps?

    What a great manipulation that was, pit one ideology that you don’t care about against one that you really don’t care about – the result – beautiful, if only very short lived.

    What the Americans will never learn is that in order for manipulation to be considered successful, the end result has to be better than the one before trying to manipulate the situation. I don’t see that being the case in Afghanistan. That doesn’t stop the propaganda arm of US government – Hollywood from making stupid movies like Charlie Wilson’s war about how the Americans outsmarted the Russians in Afghanistan. Really? I think in the end the joke is going to be on them.

    So what’s the difference between Vietnam and Afghanistan? Why the US cut and run from one and can’t do the same with the other? One of the reasons could be that they don’t want to be seen as failing in the same place where USSR failed. In their minds they are greater world power than USSR was and hubris prevents them from admitting that they aren’t. Either that or for they want to use the same graveyard as the USSR in order to reduce their footprint on the environment. How very thoughtful of them.

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    "Either that or for they want to use the same graveyard as the USSR in order to reduce their footprint on the environment. How very thoughtful of them"

    LMAO
  59. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Rurik

    It also seems possible that he never had the goals we thought he had, that he was just saying those things to get elected (do ya think?), and that he is nothing but a spoiled rich kid who wanted to prance around and be glorified as President and THAT is his goal. If so, his plans are proceeding in the right direction after a bit of a rocky start
     
    you might be completely right about all of that Scalpel.

    but even if so, then he's still infinitely better than the alternative would have been

    as I've mentioned, just the appointments to the Supreme Court so far make that true

    and he stopped the aid to ISIS, which means that Assad can stay, and Syria isn't slated as the next Libya, which is huge in my book

    as I said, you might be spot on with your characterization, but I suspect you're underestimating the size of his ego.

    I suspect that he wants to go down in the history books as a great statesman. He wants his children to revel in his legacy, and be proud of their last name. A name he would like to redound though the ages with the connotation of greatness attached to it.

    That's the size of his ego as I see it anyways, but we will find out I suppose.

    cheers

    All good points. I hope you are correct

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  60. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Cyrano
    What Afghanistan fiasco from US perspective proves is that you can’t send boys to do men’s work. If they have only left the Russians to do their job, Afghanistan would be peaceful now. Of course, Communism was greater civilizational threat than Islam. Time to rethink that theory perhaps?

    What a great manipulation that was, pit one ideology that you don’t care about against one that you really don’t care about – the result - beautiful, if only very short lived.

    What the Americans will never learn is that in order for manipulation to be considered successful, the end result has to be better than the one before trying to manipulate the situation. I don’t see that being the case in Afghanistan. That doesn’t stop the propaganda arm of US government - Hollywood from making stupid movies like Charlie Wilson’s war about how the Americans outsmarted the Russians in Afghanistan. Really? I think in the end the joke is going to be on them.

    So what’s the difference between Vietnam and Afghanistan? Why the US cut and run from one and can’t do the same with the other? One of the reasons could be that they don’t want to be seen as failing in the same place where USSR failed. In their minds they are greater world power than USSR was and hubris prevents them from admitting that they aren’t. Either that or for they want to use the same graveyard as the USSR in order to reduce their footprint on the environment. How very thoughtful of them.

    “Either that or for they want to use the same graveyard as the USSR in order to reduce their footprint on the environment. How very thoughtful of them”

    LMAO

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  61. Rurik says:
    @anonymous

    For a culture to tolerate it, means that there is something very deep and grotesque in the DNA of a people that would practice such norms.
     
    Yes, whichever culture practices such is deeply grotesque. But, contrary to the hateful and bigoted beliefs white supremacists hold dear, it has no sanction in Islam. For those who sneer, sneer all you will, after all it is your polytheist/godless hide which is in peril. And, well-deserved too ;)

    So what say you Rurik, about a culture, proudly Christian, which finds acceptable the mass murder of millions, because those millions are somehow perceived as lesser, almost animal-like? A culture which cheers the dropping of atomic bombs on civilians? A culture whose greed and psychopathy knows no bounds?

    A culture which fancies itself topmost, but which will find itself at the bottom of the heap, utterly lost, for its rejection of His Oneness, and associating others with Him... if not in this world, surely in the next.

    How grotesque is that?

    But, contrary to the hateful and bigoted beliefs white supremacists hold dear, it has no sanction in Islam.

    I never said it did. In fact I was just conversing with Talha about how it was the Taliban who stamped out the evil practice.

    For those who sneer, sneer all you will, after all it is your polytheist/godless hide which is in peril. And, well-deserved too ;)

    I also don’t think it’s in line with Muslim teachings to wish damnation upon others simply because you don’t agree with them on some issues.

    what say you Rurik, about a culture, proudly Christian, which finds acceptable the mass murder of millions, because those millions are somehow perceived as lesser, almost animal-like?

    well, I can’t really speak for Christianity, but I can say that I’m against genocide and murder and basically any cruelty or suffering of any kind. Now that said, after watching videos of ISIS burning men alive, and crucifying Christians, and torturing men and boys before they execute them and enslaving young women and girls as rape slaves.. well, I do consider them sub-human orcs.

    and I’d be all for wiping them off the face of the earth. And that has nothing to do with Christianity or ‘white supremacy’, but rather just my visceral reaction to men who are inhumanely cruel, for cruelty’s sake. I feel the same way about Zionists when they shoot Arab boys for fun. Or so-called Christians who advocate for the slaughter of Muslims to force the Second Coming by filling Israel with the world’s Jews according to their grotesque interpretation of the Bible.

    so my views are my views, and they have nothing to do with religion or ‘white supremacy’. As far as the later, I believe that all people are entitled to self-determination. Blacks, whites, Christians and Muslims and Jews and Hindus and everyone else.

    No to wars for the fun and profit of evil men and women. That’s what I believe, and have advocated at this site for a while now. And I will proudly answer to my Gods for everything I say and everything in my heart. I harbor no malice or hatred for anyone, but I do advocate for justice in the world, and that means condemning evil when I see it. And with ISIS, or Boko Haram, or genocidal Zionism, or it’s ugly twin “Christian” Zionism, I’d like to see them reformed or gone. They’re a blight to this earth and to the good people on it. IMHO.

    A culture whose greed and psychopathy knows no bounds?

    I never said Americans didn’t have their foibles. I admitted that. And you’re right, the American culture, especially as it’s been marinated by the ((media)), is a rotten and disgusting thing to witness. But there’s hope. Trump and Obama and even George W. Bush were elected to end the evil wars. It isn’t the American people who’re irredeemably greedy and murderous, rather its our elites. And for our American elites, I harbor more contempt and loathing than for even the animals of ISIS. If it were up to me, every single congressman who voted for treasonous wars based on lies, would be at the Hague in a cage. Where upon conviction for war crimes and crimes against humanity, I’d like to see them hanged by the neck until they stop dancing. And not really so much out of malice, but as an example to the next powerful person who’s tempted to abuse that power for their own self-interest.

    (wow, I feel I’m doing therapy! Thanks anonymous poster)

    rejection of His Oneness, and associating others with Him

    now you’ve lost me

    what do you mean ‘associating others with Him’?

    I’m assuming by His Oneness, you must mean Allah, as I’ve never heard a Christian speak of God that way. But let me ask you, if so, how did people of the West, who’ve mostly never even heard of Allah, except in some vague reference to a strange part of the world.. reject Him. When they don’t even know who He even is?

    Or are we in the West supposed to genuflect to your God even if we don’t know Him?

    Or are we supposed to treat the Biblical God as if He were Allah, and the point is that we genuflect at least to a God, even if it isn’t the Oneness you speak of.

    It’s all very confusing.

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    I also don’t think it’s in line with Muslim teachings to wish damnation upon others simply because you don’t agree with them on some issues.
     
    This is correct.

    One point here Rurik, this poster is anonymous so you may be at the receiving end of a false-flag operation here meant to make Muslims look fairly incorrigible and ill-willed. I certainly don't see the use in approaching people with a death-wish for them or lauding their demise - the only result of this would be someone having a negative view of Islam and Muslims. Now this may not be the case with your interlocutor, but the internet is after all a strange place.

    Peace.

    , @Sowhat
    "I’m assuming by His Oneness, you must mean Allah, as I’ve never heard a Christian speak of God that way."
    Well, I can attest that there IS a small segment of Christianity that believes in the Oneness of God. Omnipotent and omniscient Spirit in creation, robed in flesh (in the Son, The Christ, and available as an indwelling Holy Spirit upon conversion. Oneness Pentecostals receive the heretic label because almost all of Christianity bought into the Nicean Creed circa 325 AD (The Council of Nicea, which Constantine swallowed and, thus, the Roman Empire allowed Christianity.
  62. Sowhat says:

    Sometimes, I wonder if this is a test to check the Trump voter-base resolve. Among them, most at least seem to be reticent to protest in mass to actually show that they want their wishes and the candidate Trump’s promises come to fruition. What would happen if they demonstrated so?
    I do agree with The Saker’s analogies and the demise of Trumpdom but, I still have a faint glimmer of hope. With backing, could he, I fact, do what Putin did and throw the Oligarchs out?

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  63. Talha says:
    @Rurik

    But, contrary to the hateful and bigoted beliefs white supremacists hold dear, it has no sanction in Islam.
     
    I never said it did. In fact I was just conversing with Talha about how it was the Taliban who stamped out the evil practice.

    For those who sneer, sneer all you will, after all it is your polytheist/godless hide which is in peril. And, well-deserved too ;)
     
    I also don't think it's in line with Muslim teachings to wish damnation upon others simply because you don't agree with them on some issues.

    what say you Rurik, about a culture, proudly Christian, which finds acceptable the mass murder of millions, because those millions are somehow perceived as lesser, almost animal-like?
     
    well, I can't really speak for Christianity, but I can say that I'm against genocide and murder and basically any cruelty or suffering of any kind. Now that said, after watching videos of ISIS burning men alive, and crucifying Christians, and torturing men and boys before they execute them and enslaving young women and girls as rape slaves.. well, I do consider them sub-human orcs.

    and I'd be all for wiping them off the face of the earth. And that has nothing to do with Christianity or 'white supremacy', but rather just my visceral reaction to men who are inhumanely cruel, for cruelty's sake. I feel the same way about Zionists when they shoot Arab boys for fun. Or so-called Christians who advocate for the slaughter of Muslims to force the Second Coming by filling Israel with the world's Jews according to their grotesque interpretation of the Bible.

    so my views are my views, and they have nothing to do with religion or 'white supremacy'. As far as the later, I believe that all people are entitled to self-determination. Blacks, whites, Christians and Muslims and Jews and Hindus and everyone else.

    No to wars for the fun and profit of evil men and women. That's what I believe, and have advocated at this site for a while now. And I will proudly answer to my Gods for everything I say and everything in my heart. I harbor no malice or hatred for anyone, but I do advocate for justice in the world, and that means condemning evil when I see it. And with ISIS, or Boko Haram, or genocidal Zionism, or it's ugly twin "Christian" Zionism, I'd like to see them reformed or gone. They're a blight to this earth and to the good people on it. IMHO.


    A culture whose greed and psychopathy knows no bounds?
     
    I never said Americans didn't have their foibles. I admitted that. And you're right, the American culture, especially as it's been marinated by the ((media)), is a rotten and disgusting thing to witness. But there's hope. Trump and Obama and even George W. Bush were elected to end the evil wars. It isn't the American people who're irredeemably greedy and murderous, rather its our elites. And for our American elites, I harbor more contempt and loathing than for even the animals of ISIS. If it were up to me, every single congressman who voted for treasonous wars based on lies, would be at the Hague in a cage. Where upon conviction for war crimes and crimes against humanity, I'd like to see them hanged by the neck until they stop dancing. And not really so much out of malice, but as an example to the next powerful person who's tempted to abuse that power for their own self-interest.

    (wow, I feel I'm doing therapy! Thanks anonymous poster)


    rejection of His Oneness, and associating others with Him
     
    now you've lost me

    what do you mean 'associating others with Him'?

    I'm assuming by His Oneness, you must mean Allah, as I've never heard a Christian speak of God that way. But let me ask you, if so, how did people of the West, who've mostly never even heard of Allah, except in some vague reference to a strange part of the world.. reject Him. When they don't even know who He even is?

    Or are we in the West supposed to genuflect to your God even if we don't know Him?

    Or are we supposed to treat the Biblical God as if He were Allah, and the point is that we genuflect at least to a God, even if it isn't the Oneness you speak of.

    It's all very confusing.

    I also don’t think it’s in line with Muslim teachings to wish damnation upon others simply because you don’t agree with them on some issues.

    This is correct.

    One point here Rurik, this poster is anonymous so you may be at the receiving end of a false-flag operation here meant to make Muslims look fairly incorrigible and ill-willed. I certainly don’t see the use in approaching people with a death-wish for them or lauding their demise – the only result of this would be someone having a negative view of Islam and Muslims. Now this may not be the case with your interlocutor, but the internet is after all a strange place.

    Peace.

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    Hey Talha,

    what, if I may ask, do you suppose he meant by

    rejection of His Oneness, and associating others with Him
     
    is that sort of like the Old Testament prohibition 'thou shalt have no other gods (or graven images) before me'?

    I'm assuming so, but I wasn't sure, (and I confess it seems a little arrogant to demand that people who're unfamiliar with your God, worship His Oneness nevertheless)

    respectfully..

    Peace
  64. Talha says:
    @anonymous

    For a culture to tolerate it, means that there is something very deep and grotesque in the DNA of a people that would practice such norms.
     
    Yes, whichever culture practices such is deeply grotesque. But, contrary to the hateful and bigoted beliefs white supremacists hold dear, it has no sanction in Islam. For those who sneer, sneer all you will, after all it is your polytheist/godless hide which is in peril. And, well-deserved too ;)

    So what say you Rurik, about a culture, proudly Christian, which finds acceptable the mass murder of millions, because those millions are somehow perceived as lesser, almost animal-like? A culture which cheers the dropping of atomic bombs on civilians? A culture whose greed and psychopathy knows no bounds?

    A culture which fancies itself topmost, but which will find itself at the bottom of the heap, utterly lost, for its rejection of His Oneness, and associating others with Him... if not in this world, surely in the next.

    How grotesque is that?

    If you are a Muslim – salaam, bro; who taught you to approach people like this? I have studied under multiple scholars of various backgrounds – none of them have ever taught me to be belligerent or spiteful in approaching people about the deen. We ask non-Muslims to distinguish between us and some of the hateful extremists that commit horrible acts around the world; we owe them the same courtesy not to lump everyone together – otherwise this is sheer hypocrisy on our part.

    contrary to the hateful and bigoted beliefs white supremacists hold dear

    If you want to defeat ignorance it can be done simply with facts and straight talk, no need to insult people.

    “Not equal are the good deed and the evil deed. Repel with that which is fairer and behold, he – between whom and you there is enmity – shall be as if he were a loyal friend.” (41:34)

    Wa salaam.

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    I'm not Muslim, nor am I anonymous above, so forgive me for jumping in here.

    But sometimes a polemic or seemingly uncharitable approach is in fact the best route to take, especially if the intention is to shock the other party into examining his own methods of discourse. St. Augustine's City of God is a good example of this. I agree though that spite has no place at all in such a discussion.

    Further, I haven't read the discussion in question, so I won't venture to say that this is one of those times.

    I tend not to think this is a "false-flag", just because there doesn't seem much of a point.
  65. Sowhat says:
    @Rurik

    But, contrary to the hateful and bigoted beliefs white supremacists hold dear, it has no sanction in Islam.
     
    I never said it did. In fact I was just conversing with Talha about how it was the Taliban who stamped out the evil practice.

    For those who sneer, sneer all you will, after all it is your polytheist/godless hide which is in peril. And, well-deserved too ;)
     
    I also don't think it's in line with Muslim teachings to wish damnation upon others simply because you don't agree with them on some issues.

    what say you Rurik, about a culture, proudly Christian, which finds acceptable the mass murder of millions, because those millions are somehow perceived as lesser, almost animal-like?
     
    well, I can't really speak for Christianity, but I can say that I'm against genocide and murder and basically any cruelty or suffering of any kind. Now that said, after watching videos of ISIS burning men alive, and crucifying Christians, and torturing men and boys before they execute them and enslaving young women and girls as rape slaves.. well, I do consider them sub-human orcs.

    and I'd be all for wiping them off the face of the earth. And that has nothing to do with Christianity or 'white supremacy', but rather just my visceral reaction to men who are inhumanely cruel, for cruelty's sake. I feel the same way about Zionists when they shoot Arab boys for fun. Or so-called Christians who advocate for the slaughter of Muslims to force the Second Coming by filling Israel with the world's Jews according to their grotesque interpretation of the Bible.

    so my views are my views, and they have nothing to do with religion or 'white supremacy'. As far as the later, I believe that all people are entitled to self-determination. Blacks, whites, Christians and Muslims and Jews and Hindus and everyone else.

    No to wars for the fun and profit of evil men and women. That's what I believe, and have advocated at this site for a while now. And I will proudly answer to my Gods for everything I say and everything in my heart. I harbor no malice or hatred for anyone, but I do advocate for justice in the world, and that means condemning evil when I see it. And with ISIS, or Boko Haram, or genocidal Zionism, or it's ugly twin "Christian" Zionism, I'd like to see them reformed or gone. They're a blight to this earth and to the good people on it. IMHO.


    A culture whose greed and psychopathy knows no bounds?
     
    I never said Americans didn't have their foibles. I admitted that. And you're right, the American culture, especially as it's been marinated by the ((media)), is a rotten and disgusting thing to witness. But there's hope. Trump and Obama and even George W. Bush were elected to end the evil wars. It isn't the American people who're irredeemably greedy and murderous, rather its our elites. And for our American elites, I harbor more contempt and loathing than for even the animals of ISIS. If it were up to me, every single congressman who voted for treasonous wars based on lies, would be at the Hague in a cage. Where upon conviction for war crimes and crimes against humanity, I'd like to see them hanged by the neck until they stop dancing. And not really so much out of malice, but as an example to the next powerful person who's tempted to abuse that power for their own self-interest.

    (wow, I feel I'm doing therapy! Thanks anonymous poster)


    rejection of His Oneness, and associating others with Him
     
    now you've lost me

    what do you mean 'associating others with Him'?

    I'm assuming by His Oneness, you must mean Allah, as I've never heard a Christian speak of God that way. But let me ask you, if so, how did people of the West, who've mostly never even heard of Allah, except in some vague reference to a strange part of the world.. reject Him. When they don't even know who He even is?

    Or are we in the West supposed to genuflect to your God even if we don't know Him?

    Or are we supposed to treat the Biblical God as if He were Allah, and the point is that we genuflect at least to a God, even if it isn't the Oneness you speak of.

    It's all very confusing.

    “I’m assuming by His Oneness, you must mean Allah, as I’ve never heard a Christian speak of God that way.”
    Well, I can attest that there IS a small segment of Christianity that believes in the Oneness of God. Omnipotent and omniscient Spirit in creation, robed in flesh (in the Son, The Christ, and available as an indwelling Holy Spirit upon conversion. Oneness Pentecostals receive the heretic label because almost all of Christianity bought into the Nicean Creed circa 325 AD (The Council of Nicea, which Constantine swallowed and, thus, the Roman Empire allowed Christianity.

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    Nicean Creed circa 325 AD (The Council of Nicea, which Constantine swallowed and, thus, the Roman Empire allowed Christianity.

     

    http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TbcGakNfT3A/0.jpg

    interesting..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
  66. KenH says:
    @Talha
    Hey KenH,

    drone strikes don’t turn them into pedophiles and pederasts since that’s been part of their culture for well over 1000 years...Maybe, but at least we stigmatize and punish ours. Afghanistan and other third world cultures do not.
     
    Drone strikes don't have that capability, but our presence is indeed keeping that practice alive. According to our own military, the Taliban eliminated it (that was part of what made them popular in the first place - they would not let war lords run amok kidnapping and abusing village boys) - we helped revive it:
    “The Taliban made the practice punishable by death, but bacha bazi has been resurrected since the fall of the Taliban.”
    https://www.sigar.mil/pdf/quarterlyreports/2015-10-30qr.pdf

    Once our presence ends, the Taliban will come back and start hanging these men again.

    And no - it is not a stone age culture - it is late medieval. They probably haven't moved much since the time of the gun-powder empires. You can't just roll it back tens of thousands of years on say-so.


    racial and cultural differences between Muslim Afghans and white Westerners
     
    Agreed. One of the most interesting articles I read on this subject was on Russian POWs that decided to stay and make Afghanistan their home:
    "While some former prisoners of war began to come back to Russia in the 1990s, many decided to stay. Some didn't want to come back since they were deserters or had already converted to Islam...
    When I looked at him, I saw a typical Russian man. His six children are all blond and blue-eyed. But despite their Russian appearance, they are totally immersed in the local culture. When I visited him, his son obediently served us food. The way they received guests was very ritualistic and patriarchal. It's not common in Russia anymore."
    https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/russian-soldiers-start-a-second-life-in-afghanistan-47933

    Peace.

    According to our own military, the Taliban eliminated it (that was part of what made them popular in the first place – they would not let war lords run amok kidnapping and abusing village boys) – we helped revive it:

    I read snippets over the years that they had or were trying to abolish the practice until we invaded and deposed them. But then during his tour of duty, the late Pat Tillman observed young teenage boys who would cater to Taliban fighters and sometimes have sex with some of them. This is mentioned in the book Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman by Jon Krakauer.

    Tillman had trouble reconciling that some of these very tough and manly Taliban fighters sexually consorted with young boys.

    I’ve read accounts by other U.S. soldiers in that theater who observed the same thing in a few cases. So it seems the Taliban’s philosophy is “pederasty for me but not for thee”.

    And no – it is not a stone age culture – it is late medieval

    Call it what you want, but Afghanistan hasn’t changed much in 500 or more years in terms of civilizational progress and cultural norms. At least by Western standards.

    Agreed. One of the most interesting articles I read on this subject was on Russian POWs that decided to stay and make Afghanistan their home:

    I learned about this around 7-8 years ago from a book about the Soviet-Afghan war. It was quite a revelation that a small number of deserters and POW’s elected to stay behind and convert to Islam. Some of the deserters sought refuge among the Afghan tribes during the war if I recall.

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    Hey KenH,

    So it seems the Taliban’s philosophy is “pederasty for me but not for thee”.
     
    I am a 100% sure some Taliban did is and even some random local commanders. I am certain some of them also did things like take bribes, etc. When the Taliban started winning most of the territory, some local groups simply switched over to their side. But to assume this was policy has little traction. One may not like the Taliban, but as Olivier Roy once pointed out; the Taliban did not come on the scene fighting Western culture (which was barely present in Afghanistan), they were actually fighting parts of Afghan culture. This included things like the Afghan tradition of inheriting one's brother's wives and such.

    As journalist Anuj Chopra (who did a deep dive into this issue) pointed out, the Taliban are using abused boys to kill off their opponents:
    "You can understand how the Taliban, who banned bacha bazi during their 1996-2001 rule, have managed to use these boys to mount insider attacks. A boy who has been tortured as a sex slave is ripe to take revenge on his tormentor. In many cases, killing their abusers is their only escape from servitude....Many have also demanded swift police reforms and slammed NATO for apparently empowering sexual predators in Afghan forces as a 'lesser evil' in the fight against the Taliban."
    https://correspondent.afp.com/their-silent-screams

    "Powerful police commanders — who should be the ones disciplining the perpetrators — are themselves kidnapping boys. That leaves no hope for the stricken families in a system with no specific law against bacha bazi, no mechanism for redress and apparently no official will to act against abusive policemen who are seen as the lesser of two evils in the fight against the Taliban...."Often the only escape for enslaved bachas is to make a deal with the Taliban: 'Liberate me and I will help you get my abuser's head and weapons'," the official added, referring to insider attacks."
    https://correspondent.afp.com/behind-shame-and-silence

    Disrupting this deplorable practice is what gives the Taliban street-cred. Let's make no mistake about it, the increase of soldiers we are sending to Afghanistan will help to keep this practice in place. Is that the goal? No - but it is also irrelevant in the eyes of our policy makers. When Taliban attack one of these police outposts, locals would likely cheer - but guess who is going to come to reinforce them (with Marines, SEALs and helicopter gunships) when they make a call that they are under attack? Without our backing, they would fall tomorrow.


    At least by Western standards.
     
    Sure - that is only the goal if one cares to make it so. That is why I said Late-Medieval. They are a rural, tribal people - they have a culture that fits them fairly well - though they need to get rid of some of these issues like pederasty and domestic abuse.

    deserters and POW’s elected to stay behind and convert to Islam
     
    A tremendous thing, that; utter a few words out of your mouth and overnight you turn from being a man's enemy to his spiritual brother - one that he will marry his daughter to and allow into his tribe.

    Peace.

  67. Rurik says:
    @Sowhat
    "I’m assuming by His Oneness, you must mean Allah, as I’ve never heard a Christian speak of God that way."
    Well, I can attest that there IS a small segment of Christianity that believes in the Oneness of God. Omnipotent and omniscient Spirit in creation, robed in flesh (in the Son, The Christ, and available as an indwelling Holy Spirit upon conversion. Oneness Pentecostals receive the heretic label because almost all of Christianity bought into the Nicean Creed circa 325 AD (The Council of Nicea, which Constantine swallowed and, thus, the Roman Empire allowed Christianity.

    Nicean Creed circa 325 AD (The Council of Nicea, which Constantine swallowed and, thus, the Roman Empire allowed Christianity.

    interesting..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

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  68. RSDB says:
    @Talha
    If you are a Muslim - salaam, bro; who taught you to approach people like this? I have studied under multiple scholars of various backgrounds - none of them have ever taught me to be belligerent or spiteful in approaching people about the deen. We ask non-Muslims to distinguish between us and some of the hateful extremists that commit horrible acts around the world; we owe them the same courtesy not to lump everyone together - otherwise this is sheer hypocrisy on our part.

    contrary to the hateful and bigoted beliefs white supremacists hold dear
     
    If you want to defeat ignorance it can be done simply with facts and straight talk, no need to insult people.

    "Not equal are the good deed and the evil deed. Repel with that which is fairer and behold, he - between whom and you there is enmity - shall be as if he were a loyal friend." (41:34)

    Wa salaam.

    I’m not Muslim, nor am I anonymous above, so forgive me for jumping in here.

    But sometimes a polemic or seemingly uncharitable approach is in fact the best route to take, especially if the intention is to shock the other party into examining his own methods of discourse. St. Augustine’s City of God is a good example of this. I agree though that spite has no place at all in such a discussion.

    Further, I haven’t read the discussion in question, so I won’t venture to say that this is one of those times.

    I tend not to think this is a “false-flag”, just because there doesn’t seem much of a point.

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    Hey RSDB,

    sometimes a polemic or seemingly uncharitable approach is in fact the best route to take

     

    I agree that there are proper times for this. I have at times "pushed back" while trying to keep it within the limits of civility.

    I agree though that spite has no place at all in such a discussion.
     
    Exactly. I have met many people in my life that changed their minds on an issue, I've even met converts from one religion to another. None of them ever said - I changed my mind because someone yelled at me or insulted me.

    Peace.
  69. Rurik says:
    @Talha

    I also don’t think it’s in line with Muslim teachings to wish damnation upon others simply because you don’t agree with them on some issues.
     
    This is correct.

    One point here Rurik, this poster is anonymous so you may be at the receiving end of a false-flag operation here meant to make Muslims look fairly incorrigible and ill-willed. I certainly don't see the use in approaching people with a death-wish for them or lauding their demise - the only result of this would be someone having a negative view of Islam and Muslims. Now this may not be the case with your interlocutor, but the internet is after all a strange place.

    Peace.

    Hey Talha,

    what, if I may ask, do you suppose he meant by

    rejection of His Oneness, and associating others with Him

    is that sort of like the Old Testament prohibition ‘thou shalt have no other gods (or graven images) before me’?

    I’m assuming so, but I wasn’t sure, (and I confess it seems a little arrogant to demand that people who’re unfamiliar with your God, worship His Oneness nevertheless)

    respectfully..

    Peace

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  70. Talha says:

    Hey Rurik,

    Yes – that is basically a call to tawhid; complete unadulterated transcendent monotheism. It is basically the same message in the Old Testament. The bit about associating partners is a reference either to polytheism or things like Trinitarian belief, etc.

    it seems a little arrogant to demand that people who’re unfamiliar with your God, worship His Oneness nevertheless

    Human beings cannot make this demand – we are servants and therefore must relate to other servants based on the dictates of the Master. That’s what I was calling the person out on. You don’t approach people about the subject based on your whims, you approach them in the manner that the Master decreed.

    “Call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and have disputations with them in the best manner; surely your Lord best knows those who go astray from His path, and He knows best those who follow the right way.” (16:125)

    Peace.

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  71. Talha says:
    @RSDB
    I'm not Muslim, nor am I anonymous above, so forgive me for jumping in here.

    But sometimes a polemic or seemingly uncharitable approach is in fact the best route to take, especially if the intention is to shock the other party into examining his own methods of discourse. St. Augustine's City of God is a good example of this. I agree though that spite has no place at all in such a discussion.

    Further, I haven't read the discussion in question, so I won't venture to say that this is one of those times.

    I tend not to think this is a "false-flag", just because there doesn't seem much of a point.

    Hey RSDB,

    sometimes a polemic or seemingly uncharitable approach is in fact the best route to take

    I agree that there are proper times for this. I have at times “pushed back” while trying to keep it within the limits of civility.

    I agree though that spite has no place at all in such a discussion.

    Exactly. I have met many people in my life that changed their minds on an issue, I’ve even met converts from one religion to another. None of them ever said – I changed my mind because someone yelled at me or insulted me.

    Peace.

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  72. Talha says:
    @KenH

    According to our own military, the Taliban eliminated it (that was part of what made them popular in the first place – they would not let war lords run amok kidnapping and abusing village boys) – we helped revive it:
     
    I read snippets over the years that they had or were trying to abolish the practice until we invaded and deposed them. But then during his tour of duty, the late Pat Tillman observed young teenage boys who would cater to Taliban fighters and sometimes have sex with some of them. This is mentioned in the book Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman by Jon Krakauer.

    Tillman had trouble reconciling that some of these very tough and manly Taliban fighters sexually consorted with young boys.

    I've read accounts by other U.S. soldiers in that theater who observed the same thing in a few cases. So it seems the Taliban's philosophy is "pederasty for me but not for thee".


    And no – it is not a stone age culture – it is late medieval
     
    Call it what you want, but Afghanistan hasn't changed much in 500 or more years in terms of civilizational progress and cultural norms. At least by Western standards.

    Agreed. One of the most interesting articles I read on this subject was on Russian POWs that decided to stay and make Afghanistan their home:
     
    I learned about this around 7-8 years ago from a book about the Soviet-Afghan war. It was quite a revelation that a small number of deserters and POW's elected to stay behind and convert to Islam. Some of the deserters sought refuge among the Afghan tribes during the war if I recall.

    Hey KenH,

    So it seems the Taliban’s philosophy is “pederasty for me but not for thee”.

    I am a 100% sure some Taliban did is and even some random local commanders. I am certain some of them also did things like take bribes, etc. When the Taliban started winning most of the territory, some local groups simply switched over to their side. But to assume this was policy has little traction. One may not like the Taliban, but as Olivier Roy once pointed out; the Taliban did not come on the scene fighting Western culture (which was barely present in Afghanistan), they were actually fighting parts of Afghan culture. This included things like the Afghan tradition of inheriting one’s brother’s wives and such.

    As journalist Anuj Chopra (who did a deep dive into this issue) pointed out, the Taliban are using abused boys to kill off their opponents:
    “You can understand how the Taliban, who banned bacha bazi during their 1996-2001 rule, have managed to use these boys to mount insider attacks. A boy who has been tortured as a sex slave is ripe to take revenge on his tormentor. In many cases, killing their abusers is their only escape from servitude….Many have also demanded swift police reforms and slammed NATO for apparently empowering sexual predators in Afghan forces as a ‘lesser evil’ in the fight against the Taliban.”

    https://correspondent.afp.com/their-silent-screams

    “Powerful police commanders — who should be the ones disciplining the perpetrators — are themselves kidnapping boys. That leaves no hope for the stricken families in a system with no specific law against bacha bazi, no mechanism for redress and apparently no official will to act against abusive policemen who are seen as the lesser of two evils in the fight against the Taliban….”Often the only escape for enslaved bachas is to make a deal with the Taliban: ‘Liberate me and I will help you get my abuser’s head and weapons’,” the official added, referring to insider attacks.”

    https://correspondent.afp.com/behind-shame-and-silence

    Disrupting this deplorable practice is what gives the Taliban street-cred. Let’s make no mistake about it, the increase of soldiers we are sending to Afghanistan will help to keep this practice in place. Is that the goal? No – but it is also irrelevant in the eyes of our policy makers. When Taliban attack one of these police outposts, locals would likely cheer – but guess who is going to come to reinforce them (with Marines, SEALs and helicopter gunships) when they make a call that they are under attack? Without our backing, they would fall tomorrow.

    At least by Western standards.

    Sure – that is only the goal if one cares to make it so. That is why I said Late-Medieval. They are a rural, tribal people – they have a culture that fits them fairly well – though they need to get rid of some of these issues like pederasty and domestic abuse.

    deserters and POW’s elected to stay behind and convert to Islam

    A tremendous thing, that; utter a few words out of your mouth and overnight you turn from being a man’s enemy to his spiritual brother – one that he will marry his daughter to and allow into his tribe.

    Peace.

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    But to assume this was policy has little traction. One may not like the Taliban, but as Olivier Roy once pointed out; the Taliban did not come on the scene fighting Western culture
     
    I never insinuated that pederasty was widely practiced by the Taliban during our military occupation. Only that some U.S. military personnel have observed the practice among Taliban groups on occasion. Whatever the Taliban's faults they brought an order and stability to Afghanistan that that nation hadn't enjoyed in decades.

    They are a rural, tribal people – they have a culture that fits them fairly well – though they need to get rid of some of these issues like pederasty and domestic abuse.
     
    And owing to the immutable racial differences it's not fair to us or them that they get dumped into our nations and communities by the thousands or hundreds of thousands. The magic dirt of the white West can't transform the nature of an Afghan barbarian as the Germans are finding out. Afghan refugees have already been implicated in sexual assaults or attempted sexual assaults of minors in Deutschland.

    But they'll get to live to re-offend another day since they're living under Merkel's apple dumping gang instead of having to face the lethal justice of the Taliban.

  73. MarkinLA says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    I like Buchanan too, but ultimately he's a Reaganite who doesn't quite grasp how disastrous Reagan's embrace of the neoconservatives (a Faustian bargain if there ever was one) was, not just for the old GOP, but American conservatism in general. He's a Republican stalwart who can't completely shake free of the phony red-blue divide. He will never accept that a necessary condition for any kind of way out of this mess is the complete elimination of the Republican Party, and its various movement conservative mouthpieces. Julius Streicher was hanged for far less than the editors of National Review stand guilty of.

    I think Buchanan is smart enough to know the real Reagan. However, just like Paul Craig Roberts, they cannot admit that the Reagan administration was the huge disaster for the country that it really was. They have made a living out of the Reagan myths. To come clean now and give the Reagan detractors the last laugh is something Buchanan will never do – either out of cult-like loyalty to Reagan as a friend or loyalty to the party that has lived off the Reagan myths (dimwit Republicans braying “we need another Reagan”). Destroying the Reagan myths is not something Pat would like to see – even if it means sanity returning to the countries governance.

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  74. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Rurik

    It also seems possible that he never had the goals we thought he had, that he was just saying those things to get elected (do ya think?), and that he is nothing but a spoiled rich kid who wanted to prance around and be glorified as President and THAT is his goal. If so, his plans are proceeding in the right direction after a bit of a rocky start
     
    you might be completely right about all of that Scalpel.

    but even if so, then he's still infinitely better than the alternative would have been

    as I've mentioned, just the appointments to the Supreme Court so far make that true

    and he stopped the aid to ISIS, which means that Assad can stay, and Syria isn't slated as the next Libya, which is huge in my book

    as I said, you might be spot on with your characterization, but I suspect you're underestimating the size of his ego.

    I suspect that he wants to go down in the history books as a great statesman. He wants his children to revel in his legacy, and be proud of their last name. A name he would like to redound though the ages with the connotation of greatness attached to it.

    That's the size of his ego as I see it anyways, but we will find out I suppose.

    cheers

    I thought a little more about your reply. I agree that Trump is better than the alternative and that some positive things have been accomplished. As far as his ego is concerned however, I think that he has found that the best way to stroke his ego is to be some sort of military commander. This is not surprising. Just about every President has used the same crutch. So we both agree that Trump is very ego driven, but where you see his ego leading to good things, I see his ego leading to bad things. He has tried various approaches, but the one that gets him the most praise, especially from his adversaries, is to be militaristic. Unfortunately, I see this leading to more of the same. If that approach doesn’t agree with his supporters, I don’t think he cares. He takes them for granted anyways.

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  75. KenH says:
    @Talha
    Hey KenH,

    So it seems the Taliban’s philosophy is “pederasty for me but not for thee”.
     
    I am a 100% sure some Taliban did is and even some random local commanders. I am certain some of them also did things like take bribes, etc. When the Taliban started winning most of the territory, some local groups simply switched over to their side. But to assume this was policy has little traction. One may not like the Taliban, but as Olivier Roy once pointed out; the Taliban did not come on the scene fighting Western culture (which was barely present in Afghanistan), they were actually fighting parts of Afghan culture. This included things like the Afghan tradition of inheriting one's brother's wives and such.

    As journalist Anuj Chopra (who did a deep dive into this issue) pointed out, the Taliban are using abused boys to kill off their opponents:
    "You can understand how the Taliban, who banned bacha bazi during their 1996-2001 rule, have managed to use these boys to mount insider attacks. A boy who has been tortured as a sex slave is ripe to take revenge on his tormentor. In many cases, killing their abusers is their only escape from servitude....Many have also demanded swift police reforms and slammed NATO for apparently empowering sexual predators in Afghan forces as a 'lesser evil' in the fight against the Taliban."
    https://correspondent.afp.com/their-silent-screams

    "Powerful police commanders — who should be the ones disciplining the perpetrators — are themselves kidnapping boys. That leaves no hope for the stricken families in a system with no specific law against bacha bazi, no mechanism for redress and apparently no official will to act against abusive policemen who are seen as the lesser of two evils in the fight against the Taliban...."Often the only escape for enslaved bachas is to make a deal with the Taliban: 'Liberate me and I will help you get my abuser's head and weapons'," the official added, referring to insider attacks."
    https://correspondent.afp.com/behind-shame-and-silence

    Disrupting this deplorable practice is what gives the Taliban street-cred. Let's make no mistake about it, the increase of soldiers we are sending to Afghanistan will help to keep this practice in place. Is that the goal? No - but it is also irrelevant in the eyes of our policy makers. When Taliban attack one of these police outposts, locals would likely cheer - but guess who is going to come to reinforce them (with Marines, SEALs and helicopter gunships) when they make a call that they are under attack? Without our backing, they would fall tomorrow.


    At least by Western standards.
     
    Sure - that is only the goal if one cares to make it so. That is why I said Late-Medieval. They are a rural, tribal people - they have a culture that fits them fairly well - though they need to get rid of some of these issues like pederasty and domestic abuse.

    deserters and POW’s elected to stay behind and convert to Islam
     
    A tremendous thing, that; utter a few words out of your mouth and overnight you turn from being a man's enemy to his spiritual brother - one that he will marry his daughter to and allow into his tribe.

    Peace.

    But to assume this was policy has little traction. One may not like the Taliban, but as Olivier Roy once pointed out; the Taliban did not come on the scene fighting Western culture

    I never insinuated that pederasty was widely practiced by the Taliban during our military occupation. Only that some U.S. military personnel have observed the practice among Taliban groups on occasion. Whatever the Taliban’s faults they brought an order and stability to Afghanistan that that nation hadn’t enjoyed in decades.

    They are a rural, tribal people – they have a culture that fits them fairly well – though they need to get rid of some of these issues like pederasty and domestic abuse.

    And owing to the immutable racial differences it’s not fair to us or them that they get dumped into our nations and communities by the thousands or hundreds of thousands. The magic dirt of the white West can’t transform the nature of an Afghan barbarian as the Germans are finding out. Afghan refugees have already been implicated in sexual assaults or attempted sexual assaults of minors in Deutschland.

    But they’ll get to live to re-offend another day since they’re living under Merkel’s apple dumping gang instead of having to face the lethal justice of the Taliban.

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    Hey KenH,

    Whatever the Taliban’s faults they brought an order and stability to Afghanistan that that nation hadn’t enjoyed in decades.
     
    That's my point as well. I do not think they ran things particularly well and they were too harsh in their application of the law, but that's easy for me to say - I didn't have to bring order to a lawless land of constantly fighting warlords and private militias. There were some signs that they were open to moderating influences once they had seized control of all of Afghanistan, but that was not going to come from the US - that was more likely going to come from the ulema of Cairo or Damascus or Istanbul engaging with them.

    it’s not fair to us or them that they get dumped into our nations and communities by the thousands or hundreds of thousands
     
    Agreed - neither do they want to be saddled with hundreds of thousands of random Germans milling about in alcohol-deprived stupors.

    instead of having to face the lethal justice of the Taliban
     
    It is in the best interests of the West to see that these countries are allowed to get back to a functional level and fast. There will be less hesitancy on part of Westerners to deport criminal immigrants to lands that are relatively stable. If they can't behave when granted some bit of freedom, they frankly do not deserve it and it's better for their Afterlife anyway if they are not put into environments they are simply not spiritually equipped to handle.

    "Poverty that connects you to God is better than wealth that cuts you off from Him." - The Sufi/Scholar, Imam Ibn Ata-illah (ra)

    Since we are on the topic of Afghanistan - a war that is now running past a good 15 years, a little levity on how absurd this is...
    "Saying he 'never could have imagined' he would have the opportunity to follow directly in his father’s footsteps, 19-year-old U.S. Army Pvt. Tyler Corcoran was reportedly excited Tuesday to take over his dad’s old patrol route in Afghanistan"
    http://www.theonion.com/article/soldier-excited-take-over-fathers-old-afghanistan--56731

    Peace.
  76. Talha says:
    @KenH

    But to assume this was policy has little traction. One may not like the Taliban, but as Olivier Roy once pointed out; the Taliban did not come on the scene fighting Western culture
     
    I never insinuated that pederasty was widely practiced by the Taliban during our military occupation. Only that some U.S. military personnel have observed the practice among Taliban groups on occasion. Whatever the Taliban's faults they brought an order and stability to Afghanistan that that nation hadn't enjoyed in decades.

    They are a rural, tribal people – they have a culture that fits them fairly well – though they need to get rid of some of these issues like pederasty and domestic abuse.
     
    And owing to the immutable racial differences it's not fair to us or them that they get dumped into our nations and communities by the thousands or hundreds of thousands. The magic dirt of the white West can't transform the nature of an Afghan barbarian as the Germans are finding out. Afghan refugees have already been implicated in sexual assaults or attempted sexual assaults of minors in Deutschland.

    But they'll get to live to re-offend another day since they're living under Merkel's apple dumping gang instead of having to face the lethal justice of the Taliban.

    Hey KenH,

    Whatever the Taliban’s faults they brought an order and stability to Afghanistan that that nation hadn’t enjoyed in decades.

    That’s my point as well. I do not think they ran things particularly well and they were too harsh in their application of the law, but that’s easy for me to say – I didn’t have to bring order to a lawless land of constantly fighting warlords and private militias. There were some signs that they were open to moderating influences once they had seized control of all of Afghanistan, but that was not going to come from the US – that was more likely going to come from the ulema of Cairo or Damascus or Istanbul engaging with them.

    it’s not fair to us or them that they get dumped into our nations and communities by the thousands or hundreds of thousands

    Agreed – neither do they want to be saddled with hundreds of thousands of random Germans milling about in alcohol-deprived stupors.

    instead of having to face the lethal justice of the Taliban

    It is in the best interests of the West to see that these countries are allowed to get back to a functional level and fast. There will be less hesitancy on part of Westerners to deport criminal immigrants to lands that are relatively stable. If they can’t behave when granted some bit of freedom, they frankly do not deserve it and it’s better for their Afterlife anyway if they are not put into environments they are simply not spiritually equipped to handle.

    “Poverty that connects you to God is better than wealth that cuts you off from Him.” – The Sufi/Scholar, Imam Ibn Ata-illah (ra)

    Since we are on the topic of Afghanistan – a war that is now running past a good 15 years, a little levity on how absurd this is…
    “Saying he ‘never could have imagined’ he would have the opportunity to follow directly in his father’s footsteps, 19-year-old U.S. Army Pvt. Tyler Corcoran was reportedly excited Tuesday to take over his dad’s old patrol route in Afghanistan”

    http://www.theonion.com/article/soldier-excited-take-over-fathers-old-afghanistan–56731

    Peace.

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