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The backstage struggle between the Bush interventionists and the America-firsters who first backed Donald Trump for president just exploded into open warfare, which could sunder the Republican Party.

At issue is Trump’s decision to let the Turkish army enter Northern Syria, to create a corridor between Syrian Kurds and the Turkish Kurds of the PKK, which the U.S. and Turkey regard as a terrorist organization.

“A disaster in the making,” says Lindsey Graham. “To abandon the Kurds” would be a “stain on America’s honor.”

“A catastrophic mistake,” said Rep. Liz Cheney.

“If reports about US retreat in Syria are accurate,” tweeted Marco Rubio, Trump will have “made a grave mistake.”

“The Kurds were instrumental in our successful fight against ISIS in Syria. Leaving them to die is a big mistake,” said ex-U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, “we must always have the backs of our allies. ” But of our NATO ally of almost 70 years, Haley said, “Turkey is not our friend.”

Sen. Mitt Romney called it a “betrayal”:

“The President’s decision to abandon our Kurd allies in the face of an assault by Turkey is a betrayal. It says that America is an unreliable ally; it facilitates ISIS resurgence; and it presages another humanitarian disaster.”

Trump tweeted this defense of his order to U.S. forces not to resist Turkish intervention and the creation of a Turkish corridor in Syria from the eastern bank of the Euphrates to Iraq:

“The Kurds fought with us, but were paid massive amounts of money and equipment to do so. They have been fighting Turkey for decades. … I held off this fight for … almost 3 years, but it is time for us to get out of these ridiculous Endless Wars, many of them tribal, and bring our soldiers home.”

When, in December, Trump considered ordering all U.S. troops home from Syria, Defense Secretary James Mattis resigned in protest.

Behind this decision is Trump’s exasperation at our NATO allies’ refusal to take back for trial their own citizens whom we and the Kurds captured fighting for ISIS.

The U.S. has “pressed France, Germany, and other European nations, from which many captured ISIS fighters came, to take them back, but they … refused,” said a Sunday White House statement. “The United States will not hold them for what could be many years and great cost. … Turkey will now be responsible for all ISIS fighters in the area captured over the past two years.”

What are the arguments interventionists are using to insist that U.S. forces remain in Syria indefinitely?

If we pull out, says Graham, the Kurds will be forced, for survival, to ally themselves with Bashar Assad.

ORDER IT NOW

True, but the Kurds now occupy a fourth of Syria, and this is not sustainable. We have to consider reality. Assad, the Russians, Iranians and Hezbollah have won the war against the Sunni rebels we and our Arab friends armed and equipped.
We are told that the Kurds will be massacred by Turkey’s President Recep Erdogan, who sees them as terrorist allies of the PKK.

But the Turks occupied the Syrian border west of the Euphrates and the Kurds withdrew without massacres. And how long must we stay in Syria to defend the Kurds against the Turks? Forever?

If we depart, ISIS will come back, says Cheney: “Terrorists thousands of miles away can and will use their safe-havens to launch attacks against America.”

But al-Qaida and ISIS are in many more places today than they were when we intervened in the Middle East. Must we fight forever over there — to be secure over here? Why cannot Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States deal with ISIS and al-Qaida in their own backyard?

Why are ISIS and al-Qaida over there our problem over here?

“This will throw the region into further chaos,” says Graham.

But if Trump’s decision risks throwing the region into “further chaos,” what, if not wholesale U.S. intervention, created the “present chaos”?

Consider. Today, the Taliban conduct more attacks and control much more territory than they did in all the years since we first intervened in 2001.

Sixteen years after we marched to Baghdad, protests against the Iraqi regime took hundreds of lives last week, and a spreading revolt threatens the regime.

Saudi Arabia is tied down and arguably losing the war it launched against the Houthi rebels in 2015. Iran or its surrogates, with a handful of cruise missiles and drones, just shut down half of the Saudi oil production.

Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is awakening to his nation’s vulnerability and may be looking to negotiate with Tehran.

Among those objecting most loudly to an American withdrawal from the forever wars of the Middle East are those who were the most enthusiastic about plunging us in.

And, yes, there is a price to be paid for letting go of an empire, but it is almost always less than the price of holding on.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. @ Pat:

    no. But let us know when Drumpf pulls ‘Murkan troops

    out of Syria’s eastern Oil Province. That

    would be somethin’.

    not happening though.

  2. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:

    Now tell me where Trump will find someone to fill various posts ?

    Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, Lindsey Graham, Nikki Haley, Marco Rubio and scores of other cant help Trump realize the promises he made to the supporters about ending the unnecessary wars . They are in the pocket of the warmongering puppeteers .
    I think Lindsey Graham even told the voters that if the did not support his warmongering they shouldn’t vote for him Voters obliged him He should make himself disappear from the political activities.

  3. A123 says:

    This is Trump’s 2nd attempt to extract U.S. Troops from a kill-sack controlled via supply lines through Turkey. Let’s hope he succeeds this time as it will make the U.S. less vulnerable to extortion by Erdogan. Remember, the lack of boots on the ground is not a block to supporting the Kurds. In many ways such support will be easier when Turkey’s power to extort is eliminated.

    It would be tragic….. Horribly, horribly tragic. If, OOPSIE, the Kurds find some U.S. Munitions bunkers full of TOW and Dragon missiles that were accidentally left behind.

    I am pre-shocked. *Pre-Shocked*, I say. Simply pre-amazed at this accident that will soon take place….

    😱

    • Replies: @Herald
  4. Come on. Those cucks are just dogs of Jewish Power. They don’t care about Kurds, any more than they care about Palestinians. They just want US in the region to create more havoc in Arab nations to the advantage of Israel.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  5. KenH says:

    This is like the fourth or fifth time that Trump has committed to withdrawing all troops in Syria. Plus he changes his mind every hour so by now he could have received angry calls from Sheldon Adelson and Bibi and tomorrow he’ll announce we’ll stay a little longer after all. Or, of the 2000 troops currently in Syria he’ll only bring home 100 or 200.

    Turkey is no friend of either America or Europe but Nikki Haley has a bone to pick with them only because they had a falling out with Israel. Nikki and the rest of the neocons hate whomever Israel hates.

    • Agree: Herbert West, Realist
    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @follyofwar
  6. JasonT says:

    Al Qaida is a CIA construct, and was therefore created and financed by the U.S. If the U.S. wants to stop Al Qaida, then the U.S. should stop supporting them.

    ISIS is a CIA/Mossad construct, and was therefore created and financed by the U.S. and Israel. If the U.S. wants to stop ISIS, then the U.S. should stop supporting them and pressure Israel to do the same.

    Kudos to Trump if he actually succeeds in extracting the U.S. from the mess the U.S. created.

  7. Toxik says:

    There’s already a backlash from the neocons. Trump just has to say this: Will you be the one to apologize to the family of our fallen soldier who died in Syria?

    • Replies: @paranoid goy
  8. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @KenH

    Yep, “we, we, we” all the way home — not.

    Mr. Paleoconservative tossing out more Red sheep bait for the next Most Important Election Ever.

  9. More hot air from the Cockatoo.

    Deep State will permit withdrawal from nowhere.

    Because world invasion profits corporations and certain states.
    Forever war = nonstop $$$,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$s.

    MegaPreachers spout the new Mandate from Heaven:
    Onward Christian killers!

    P.S. The rain is radioactive.

    • Replies: @Realist
  10. Will says:

    Why does Buchanan ask idiotic questions like this?

    The US is never going to pull out of the Middle East until Israel has complete dominance of the region, Israel is bombed into oblivion or the US empire is brought down by one of many means (states seceding, major war loss, economic meltdown, civil war, etc.)

    Even if Trump is anything more than talk, the White Helmets will have crisis actors ready for another fake chemical weapons attack to blame on whoever it must be blamed.

    Chemical weapons hoaxes in Syria to push regime change in Syria and shooting hoaxes in America to overthrow the 2nd Amendment.

    • Replies: @Houston 1992
  11. @Will

    There is a realist wing however small to our DS Establishment eg see the dawning realization on how transferring so much industry and tech to China was pure folly.

    I think that PJB who remains on the fringes of the Republican Establishment (barely tolerated , mostly ignored much like Enoch Powell in the UK) is appealing to those realists

    NeoCons don’t get all their wars. We have not gone to open war with Iran and Obama signed that deal with Iran although he declined to take it.
    The pentagon has to be nervous about a war with Iran. The military is tired I sense and saner heads know about “forever war “ fatigue and that morale is low

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  12. Renoman says:

    Well so far no big wars. He’s managed to keep the neocons from assassinating him too, can’t be easy juggling all those assholes but so far so go, go Donny Daddy!

    • Replies: @Realist
  13. swamped says:

    “The backstage struggle between the Bush interventionists and the America-firsters who first backed Donald Trump for president just exploded into open warfare, which could sunder the Republican Party”…fine, better the Republican Party than sundering another M.E. country.
    “Among those objecting most loudly to an American withdrawal from the forever wars of the Middle East are those who were the most enthusiastic about plunging us in”…but not themselves; the usual tin soldiers & armchair generals, Graham,Haley, Romney, Rubio, the Cheneys; the fungus on the body politic. May they burn in hell, if not before.
    “But if Trump’s decision risks throwing the region into ‘further chaos,’ what, if not wholesale U.S. intervention, created the ‘present chaos’”? well, there was… and then there was… ummm…
    And, yes, “there is a price to be paid for letting go of an empire, but it is almost always less than the price of holding on”…engrave this in stone & put it over the front door at the State Dept. (and make a copy for the Pentagon.) Thanks Pat, still the best of the lot. And thank you Pres. Trump for calling time on “these ridiculous Endless Wars”.

    • Agree: follyofwar, mark green
  14. Realist says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Deep State will permit withdrawal from nowhere.

    Because world invasion profits corporations and certain states.
    Forever war = nonstop $$$,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$s.

    And Trump is part of the Deep State.

    • Agree: bluedog
  15. Realist says:
    @Renoman

    He’s managed to keep the neocons from assassinating him too, can’t be easy juggling all those assholes but so far so go, go Donny Daddy!

    Perhaps you can tell me why Trump hires neocons, warmongers and other assorted assholes?

  16. RVBlake says:
    @Realist

    According to Breitbart, a White House aide reports that Trump is withdrawing no U.S. troops from Syria at the moment, merely re-shuffling 50 – 100 within the country. Says that withdrawing all U.S. troops is a longer-term goal.

  17. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    Shhh! You’re spoiling the puppet show.

    Mr. Buchanan tells the readership that he shares their beliefs and desires. But he sells them a national politics that he knows will only continue to frustrate them.

    Watching people being riled in real time for another election that serves only to prop up an Establishment that couldn’t care less for them … sad.

    • Agree: Realist
  18. Amon says:

    Lol, nope.

    Just doing a reshuffling of troops to prepare for the next big war be it Iran or China.

    Here’s a better question, why are so many right wing Americans so massively stupid that they actually honestly think that the Media they’ve dubbed Fake News, can be trusted 100 percent when it comes to covering the Hong Kong rioters?

    • Replies: @alexander
    , @RadicalCenter
  19. @KenH

    All who are, like Buchanan, opposed to these endless imperialist wars, should applaud President Trump’s courageous decision to pull the troops out of Syria. I hope that, unlike his last try, he is able to stick to it. This decision shows that Trump, unlike weasels like Lindsay Graham and Mittens Romney, doesn’t always do Israel’s bidding.

    But, as he is facing impeachment, is his decision, especially at this time, foolhardy. If it comes to a trial in the Senate, how many republican neocons will stick with him. Neocon Pence is waiting in the wings, and he is reliably one of them. When it comes to foreign policy, the two wings of our outmoded sclerotic parties always close ranks. There is but one party – The War Party.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  20. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:

    Fox News host blasts Trump’s move: Are you kidding me?

    Retired Lt. Colonel slams ‘impulsive idiocy’ of Trump’s decision
    10/8/19
    http://www.cnn.com

    CNN and Fox support each other .They have the same handlers and same intellectual base for Middle East coming from same “State Department’ which was emptied of “Arabist” by Kristol.

    Retired Col isthe same guy who also drew the “blood borders ” map of Muslim world to hide his own blood thirst and his own poor pathetic bribed and polluted existence .

  21. Truth3 says:

    PJB shies away from the large TRUTH.

    Why? Because he wants to live peacefully out his old age.

    It’s the Jews Pat.

    Used to think PJB was a brave man. Not so much anymore.

  22. @Realist

    “Why does Trump hire neocons, warmongers, and other assorted assholes?”

    My answer: Because the Deep State, which runs Washington’s foreign policy, is full of nothing but those vermin. Trump would have to go outside of the neoliberal/neoconservative order and pick an America-first radical. It is claimed that Trump watches, and is a fan of, Tucker Carlson. Last night he had frequent guest, Col. Douglas McGregor on, who explained why pulling the troops out is a great decision that will actually facilitate peace. McGregor was rumored to be on Trump’s short list when he fired the war pig John Bolton. Trump could sure use a man of McGregor’s status as his National Security Advisor now. But, imagine the outrage inside the beltway if Trump had picked him.

    • Replies: @Realist
  23. everyone knows that trump tweets populist and then cuck-walks back those tweets over the next week or so…if he fails to do so, the Dems will indict his son…
    time for the nursing home, Pat…

  24. @Houston 1992

    Just when I was about to reject Christianity entirely, I was advised to check out a Christian YouTube show called “TruNews.” On their show yesterday, which I just finished watching, they had a dynamite program castigating the evangelicals, as well as the republican party, who worship at the feet of Israel. Rick Wiles had a better examination of what is going on in the Middle East than any I’ve heard from another source.

    In closing the program, Wiles said he thinks that Trump will resign by year’s end rather than be impeached. Perhaps that is why Trump is throwing this Hail Mary by announcing he will remove the troops from Syria. If he is going down, in typical Trump fashion, he will go down swinging.

  25. Realist says:
    @follyofwar

    My answer: Because the Deep State, which runs Washington’s foreign policy, is full of nothing but those vermin. Trump would have to go outside of the neoliberal/neoconservative order and pick an America-first radical.

    He could do that , but Trump is a member of the Deep State. This is all kabuki theater.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  26. @follyofwar

    Your reply brings us back to ‘is Trump a 6D Chess player’
    I think he’s street smart, loves America, but is a coward when it comes to the Zionists and his benefactors. He plays both sides of the aisle and loves being the center of attention.
    Like all politicians, he will now be a politician for life and even if e loses, he’ll never go back to being a businessman.
    And like killery, he will do everything to win.

  27. Writing in Global Research in an article entitled ” America created Al Qaeda and the ISIS terror
    group ” Garikai Chengu states that “America is using ISIS in three ways : to attack its enemies in the Middle East , to serve as a pretext for US military intervention abroad , and at home to foment a manufactured domestic threat , used to justify the unprecedented expansion of domestic invasive surveillance …Lest we forget , the CIA gave birth to Osama Bin Laden and breastfed his organization during the 1980’s.” Unfortunately , although US forces may leave Syria our proxies and mercenaries will remain .

  28. Just for the record and for what it’s worth, here’s the Trump tweet thread:

  29. @Realist

    Yeah, and Trump was (((selected))) over Killary, right? You have swallowed a few too many black pills, I think.

    • Replies: @Realist
  30. A123 says:

    Remember. It is all about playing the Fake Stream Media. If Trump makes an announcement that is:

    — Immediately followed through = 1 news cycle
    — Debated = Multiple news cycles

    Plus, the added benefit is he may be able to cause political foes, both Democrats and establishment Republicans, to over commit to extreme positions.
    _____

    Even if he cannot fully beat the Deep State and only manages to withdraw 50% of U.S. troops from Syria — would you say that is an:

    — Improvement?
    — Mistake?

    Given the length of time the Establishment dominated DC, victory will neither be instant nor clean. Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Take each small victory as a victory, and tally up those victories over time.
    ______

    Your other choice is Elizabeth “Pocahontas” Warren (a.k.a. Hillary v2.0). So, if you oppose Trump understand that you are *personally backing* The NeoConDemocrats that will actively make thing worse. Is that really what you want?

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  31. Good article Pat. Those treasonous rats who advocate for forever wars need to be called out, starting with Nikki Haley, Lindsay Graham, Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, Liz Cheney. All are traitors paid off to shill for Israel.

    We have no business being in Syria in the first place. Letting Turkey take charge of the ISIS fighters we captured is a mistake though, both are Sunnis. They should be turned over to Assad. He’ll finish them off.

    If Trump sticks to his gun this time and brings home the troops from Syria, he’ll earn back some of my respect. If he brings home the troops from Afghanistan, he’ll get even more respect from me.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @anon
  32. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:

    Good article Pat. Those treasonous rats who advocate for forever wars need to be called out, starting with Nikki Haley, Lindsay Graham, Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, Liz Cheney. All are traitors paid off to shill for Israel.

    We have no business being in Syria in the first place. Letting Turkey take charge of the ISIS fighters we captured is a mistake though, both are Sunnis. They should be turned over to Assad. He’ll finish them off.

    If Trump sticks to his gun this time and brings home the troops from Syria, he’ll earn back some of my respect. If he brings home the troops from Afghanistan, he’ll get even more respect from me.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @rodin
  33. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tired of Not Winning

    Respect? All he wants is your vote.

    MAGA2.0!

  34. @Realist

    Because 1024D chess. Don’t you even get it? If he didn’t hire them, then the asshole juggling show would peter out.

    • Replies: @Realist
  35. Turkey will now be responsible for all ISIS fighters in the area captured over the past two years.

    Here’s an even better idea: Let Assad “handle” these people, and don’t vilify him in the propaganda media for handling our and Europe’s dirty laundry.

    Consider. Today, the Taliban conduct more attacks and control much more territory than they did in all the years since we first intervened in 2001.

    Consider. Under US occupation, poppy cultivation covered far more land in Afhanistan than it had under the Taliban prior to the US invasion in 2001. Poppy cultivation in Afghanistan was nearly eradicated under earlier Taliban rule.

  36. SafeNow says:

    The only U.S. interest in that region is to ensure (to the extent possible) that Pakistani nukes do not fall into the hands of a terrorist organization. A nuke stolen or purchased could be surreptitiously sailed into a U.S. harbor, after disabling its rudimentary PAL safety technology.

  37. Realist says:
    @follyofwar

    You have swallowed a few too many black pills, I think.

    Why would Trump hire the swamp critters he is suppose to eradicate?

    It is you that has been doing the swallowing.

  38. alexander says:
    @Amon

    I hate to say it but I have to agree.

    The mantra for catastrophic failing wars was once ” just declare victory….and come home”

    Now it is …” Tell them we are coming home….and then…..just .. stay”.

  39. Mr. Grey says:

    …to create a corridor between Syrian Kurds and the Turkish Kurds of the PKK, which the U.S. and Turkey regard as a terrorist organization.

    Corridor implies a passageway that allows access from one place to another.

  40. Hillbob says:

    US will stop its wars when they are brutally stopped by guess what?

  41. Cucked Kurds burrow into Assad’s cockles.
    Notch one more for daft ‘Murkan debacles.

  42. Herald says:
    @A123

    If the perfidious Kurds do find such presents from the odious Uncle Shmuel and go on to use them against anyone other than ISIS or other ZUS proxies, then almost inevitably they will be signing there own death warrants. No one will be too bothered when the justly deserved sentence is duly carried out, except for the usual neo/zio crazies and a selection of very disturbed two bit loonies, such as yourself.

  43. lavoisier says: • Website

    Interesting development this withdrawal. This is particularly interesting given that those who are most vocal against the withdrawal from this region of Turkey are infamous for being world class whores of Israel. I would assume they have their marching orders from their Zionist masters in hand.

    Is Trump actually showing some wisdom and leadership?

    I really have to doubt this given what we have seen from the man in the past but I always entertain some hope that he will show some courage and act on his promises.

    I still believe the only reason we have not attacked Iran is because our Jewish masters have not given us the green light. Sure the Zionist puppet masters in the United States want war but I think the Jews who live in Israel are a little more cautious.

    Iran and Hezbollah have already notified Israel that an attack from the United States will be seen as an attack by Israel and that they will respond with force against Israel. They know that the US is fighting Israel’s wars and they have let Israel know that such an attack would result in a declaration of war against Israel.

    Not so easy to be itching for a war when you actually might have to do some dying in that war.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  44. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @lavoisier

    “I still believe the only reason we have not attacked Iran is because our Jewish masters have not given us the green light.”

    We … us … ?

    We (the real we) all should take care not to adopt Mr. Buchanan’s pronoun propaganda. Because it works.

    The sooner the American people stop identifying with Big War, the better we’ll see the Washington establishment for who they are and how little they care about (the real) us.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  45. buckwheat says:

    About time, I hope they kill each other and let God sort it out.

  46. I’m happy to see Trump use this issue to drive a wedge between the RINO establishment and the people who voted Trump in and will vote Trump in again.
    The D’s are in turmoil. They can’t put a reasonable candidate forward: Tulsi the Tranny, Beta boy Orourke, Yang the Fang. I don’t even think they want to win in 2020. I think they are sitting this one out. Tul;si only looks good because the rest are so bad. Under scrutiny, Tulsi couldn’t have run for Senate in the 90’s let alone been a candidate. This is how far thing s have fallen and so fast. Nice one Jews! Keep exposing the poisonous effect you have on a body politic.

    The R’s have been cleaning up for years: Cantor and Ryan. Gone. Just like that. No discussion. They must have been Real Dirty. More have left in the past two years and more will leave over the next 2 years.

    This is not a natural process of regeneration. I expect McConnel to be pushed out at the end of this process.

    I believe that the Civilian side of the DS (C_A, DOJ, FBI,etc) is losing power to the Military side (Pentagon, Joint Chiefs, Mil and Naval Intel). Whether this bodes well or ill for American is yet to be seen. I’d like to think it will lead to more sanity.
    It is about time that the Neo-Con/Trotskyite Jews and their minions (like Nutty Nikki) get kicked to the curb.
    America is one war away from fiscal collapse.

  47. @Herald

    Mossad created the PKK did it not?
    The Kurds are not a cohesive group. They speak two different languages.
    The Israelis have used the PKK Kurds for years and resent not continuing to get the support from Trump they want to continue to run their PKK ops.
    Not sure how Trump intends on squaring this with Adelson. Maybe Adelson is buying a different strategy and is okay with it. Idk
    Should be interesting to watch.
    Does Trump expect to be impeached? Is he counting on not getting a second term? Or, is he counting on going straight to the American people on this, and other issues, to gather support. Again, idk.
    I would be interested in others’ take on this including yours.

  48. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    Meh. Rick Wiles does some excellent analysis, granted, but at the end he’s still a nutcase (of the messianic Christian variety). Trump is not likely to resign. The impeachment of Clinton proved that stonewalling and denial is a viable option. Some say that if Nixon just toughed it out, he would have survived too.

    Trump is a counterpunching street fighter, and it’s starting to look bad for Biden. As they’re exposed, his agents are thrashing: Alexandra Chalupa went psycho on twitter after Devin Nunes named her as the DNC operative colluding with Ukraine to dig dirt on Trump. Chalupa’s foreign conspiring drew blood – the downfall of Manafort. Trump will be vindicated. It may take time, but when the dam breaks it will be a flood.

    The sick thing is that the DNC went for this fake dirt instead of his really awful things. But that’s because they’re complicit in the illegal wars, their service to MIC. Like someone said, Trump is just moving the troops east, not really leaving. It’s all one war party.

    • Replies: @paranoid goy
  49. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tired of Not Winning

    Letting Turkey take charge of the ISIS fighters we captured is a mistake though, both are Sunnis.

    It may well be a mistake, but this is a ridiculously gross oversimplification of a typical USian kind. There are Sunnis in the Syrian Arab Army. In fact the majority of the SAA (like the majority of Syrians), are Sunnis fighting for Syria.

    Turkey has its own interests, keeps its own counsel, doesn’t suck up enough for EU’s liking. Maybe they’ve reassessed since they facilitated jihadis crossing into Syria. (Do they still host White Helmets training center in Gaziantep?) After the attempted coup against Erdogan, not so friendly with CIA, I’m guessing.

  50. @follyofwar

    Christians used to act pragmatically regarding Race and dealing with the Jewish community.

    The Christian Science Monitor newspaper ( when they had 300k daily paid subscribers, Church had more money and active members ) used to take a more objective look at the Israel Palestine question.

  51. @follyofwar

    Trump may need to win the 2020 election to avoid jail and confiscation of his business assets

    Btw Trump in his 75th year in 2021 will be under the influence of JIvanka who will be focused on their business empire. Who knows what Trump will do to rehabilitate Ivanka …..amnesty , more immigration

  52. “If we pull out, says Graham, the Kurds will be forced, for survival, to ally themselves with Bashar Assad.”

    That’s what they should always have done, but I imagine they were armed and paid not to do it.

    I don’t see any troop withdrawals though, years after Obama promised ‘no boots on the ground’. This is more likely part of a carve-up of Syria.

  53. Realist says:
    @Anon

    If Trump sticks to his gun this time and brings home the troops from Syria, he’ll earn back some of my respect.

    As always Trump is backing out already.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  54. “To abandon the Kurds” would be a “stain on America’s honor.” (Sen. Lindsay Graham)

    The only thing that was abandoned was the Constitution. Why no formal declaration of war? What business do we have there? What business did we have dispatching American troops to Syria in the first place so as to put ourselves in a position whereby we could be accused of abandoning the Kurds?

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  55. “Did we betray the Kurds for Trump Tower ” Editorial in NJ.com ” We can’t even trust our own President to put America’s interests first . It’s like Trump’s telling take on Saudi Arabia : ‘They buy apartments from me ‘ he said ‘They spend 40 million ,50 million Am I supposed to dislike them . I like them very much .’ …’I have a little conflict of interest , I have a major, major building in Instanbul…”
    We should get out of Syria , but for the right reasons .

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  56. SafeNow says:

    A commenter mentions Ryan is gone and probably was dirty. I don’t know about political dirt, but I do remember that he tried to get away with knocking one hour off what he said was his marathon time – – from a mainstream time to an elite time. Every runner knows whether he is mainstream or elite. Ryan felt a need to do this, and he actually thought he would get away with it. This was sad, but more important, it was telling… If that, what else, as they say.

  57. rodin says:
    @Anon

    I mean..really, what has Trumps’ policies so far done or achieved for the normal chump on the street?

    • Replies: @A123
    , @nsa
  58. Miro23 says:

    What’s going on with Trump? He just wrote on Twitter:

    ‘The United States has spent EIGHT TRILLION DOLLARS fighting and policing in the Middle East. Thousands of our Great Soldiers have died or been badly wounded. Millions of people have died on the other side. GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE…..

    ‘….IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY! We went to war under a false & now disproven premise, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. There were NONE! Now we are slowly & carefully bringing our great soldiers & military home. Our focus is on the BIG PICTURE! THE USA IS GREATER THAN EVER BEFORE!’

    Isn’t he supposed to go along with his Neocon friends to enable an Iran war. Also he’s not supposed to bring up the WMD fraud.

    He’s pushing the boundaries here – next he might even call for an investigation into the WMD fakery or question 9/11.

  59. A123 says:
    @rodin

    I mean..really, what has Trumps’ policies so far done or achieved for the normal chump on the street?

    Globalist Obama’s perpetual recession was designed to keep the American people at each other’s throats. That way they could not oppose the unelected elites. With the worst President in American history out of office….

    Trump’s administration is generating both jobs (1) and real wage hikes vs. inflation (2).

    MAGA =💲for Workers

    PEACE
    ________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2019/10/04/the-economy-created-136000-jobs-in-september-unemployment-fell-to-3-5/

    (2) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/12/best-recession-ever-maganomics-inflation-1-7-wage-growth-3-5-real-worker-earnings-1-8/

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  60. nsa says:
    @rodin

    “what has Trumpstein’s policies so far done or achieved…….?”
    Plenty. Trumpstein has serviced the jew magnificently……and as long as he continues to service his jew owners, he will receive great coverage from the JudenPresse and JudenTV and it will be his coronation again come Nov. 2020. Buchanan just doesn’t have the jam to say it…..Trumpstein is the jew’s little lard ass bitch.

  61. @Realist

    Yep, he never deviates from that behavior. If I want to guess at what Trump isn’t going to do, I only have to listen to him swear that he’s going to do something.

  62. @Prester John

    Yep. Lindsey is a stain on American honor himself.

  63. @Priss Factor

    They just want US in the region to create more havoc in Arab nations

    They have always been quite capable of creating their own havoc.

  64. Anonymous[518] • Disclaimer says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    I’ve seen his Trump Tower in Istanbul.
    I’m sure he is too high-minded to let his foreign policy be directed by his private business interests.

  65. @Toxik

    Are you implying there is a liberal out there that would not gladly congratulate a parent for sacrificing their child at the holy altar of Petrodollar?
    Besides, the Fed (the Cacastocracy, Deep State, THEM, whatever your fave phrase) has already mumbled about nuking Assad, the Fed’s Mafia gang (enforcers in US uniform) gotta get to a safe distance, maybe?

  66. @anon

    There is nothing sick about the DNC’s dirt-digging, bro’ (say BRA). The sole purpose of the “opposition party” is to bait the “ruling party”. One reason is to remind the citizenry of their disgust with the Cacastocracy, lest we start trusting and supporting whomever is “in power”. Liberalism parading as Democracy absolutely need the regular replacement of “leaders”, before they become patriotic or the least competent. A second reason is the ole bait-and-switch. You government cannot excuse new taxes, so the “opposition” start bitching about the underfunded orphanages, and presto! we accept another tax hike to pay for sending your family member over to Oilpumpistan so it can protect the wells from those stingy locals who do not understand their duty to hand over their livelyhood to the Fed. Or did you really think your soldiers are trampling my landscape to free me from something?

  67. The fact is that US war with Turkey, as well war with Iran would be suicide for US.
    So if Democrats get rid of Trump and start the real war with any of them just let it be.
    US with their insane policies destroyed Sunni power in middle Est starting with Brenner’s debathification, Then came the destruction of ISIS
    Two catastrophic mistakes. Nothing can be saved by any US policies.
    Now even Saudi Arabia is in danger. So Trump’s only policy should be to protect Saudi Arabia.

  68. Why should “Trump’s only policy” be “to protect Saudi Arabia”?

    Is it because that’s what your hasbara handlers prefer – what’s good for them, but not necessarily for America?

    Thought so. Go back to your cubicle and dream up some other nonsense…

  69. Renoman says:

    When you listen to those chicken hawks going on about how wrong it is for America to leave that fight you would almost believe they actually cared about the Kurds. Just a gang of pathetic liars trying to prop up the Military industrial complex that has ruined America. Go Donny Daddy!

  70. Rurik says:

    they actually cared about the Kurds.

    Are you suggesting that Chuck Schumer, Lindsey Graham, Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio or John Bolton! don’t care about the Kurds?!?!

  71. Israel insists it “cares about the Kurds” – to the extent that Israel wants to use Kurdish “Independence” to break up Iraq and Syria.

    However, when it comes time to physically defending the Kurds with actual boots-on-the-ground, the Israelis do their usual chicken hawk routine (i.e. “the U.S, must do it”.)

    No wonder no one trusts them. They should stick to lobbying.

  72. gsjackson says:
    @Realist

    Because he wants Israel to think he’s friendly until he lowers the hammer on them. That’s what I’d like to believe, and on some days I do. I thought firing Bolton was sending out a major signal, and our rulers seem to have taken it that way, having their media and congressional assets gin up impeachment blather on the most absurd of pretexts.

    • Replies: @Realist
  73. Realist says:
    @gsjackson

    Because he wants Israel to think he’s friendly until he lowers the hammer on them.

    Where’s the logic? That makes no sense.

    I thought firing Bolton was sending out a major signal, and our rulers seem to have taken it that way, having their media and congressional assets gin up impeachment blather on the most absurd of pretexts.

    What signal was sent out when Trump hired Bolton? You live in a dream world.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  74. The only one Trump “lowers the hammer on” is himself.

    It’s been the same story his whole life.

    Self-impeachment ain’t an “art” so much as an inevitability given dishonest don’s low-IQ/low-life nature.

  75. gsjackson says:
    @Realist

    When he fired Bolton, not when he hired him, which you can clearly see is what I wrote. You don’t think Israel was frantically trying to read the tea leaves on that one?

    There is a big discussion completely outside the corporate media and outside Unz about what Trump’s true intentions are toward our rulers, a discussion you’re apparently unfamiliar with. The “logic” of efforts to conceal his true intentions is evident in that context.

    • Replies: @Realist
  76. Realist says:
    @gsjackson

    When he fired Bolton, not when he hired him, which you can clearly see is what I wrote. You don’t think Israel was frantically trying to read the tea leaves on that one?

    Oh, I can see what you wrote…can you see what I wrote??? My question to you is; what signal was sent out when Trump hired Bolton?

    There is a big discussion completely outside the corporate media and outside Unz about what Trump’s true intentions are toward our rulers, a discussion you’re apparently unfamiliar with. The “logic” of efforts to conceal his true intentions is evident in that context.

    But only you know ‘his true intentions’? As I wrote you live in a dream world.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  77. @Amon

    Fair point. But I’d be considered a nationalist, even a nativist, and haven’t had tv “service” in about a decade — partly because I vigorously distrust Fox News, cnn, msnbc, abc, nbc, cbs, Fox, and the other propaganda outlets that I used to support with my tv dollars.

    There are a fair number of “right-wingers” who don’t fit the description you gave, but admittedly still far too many who do.

  78. @A123

    And a temporary income tax cut that “sunsets” for individuals and families, versus a permanent cut for corporations. Unfair and stupid politics as well.

  79. gsjackson says:
    @Realist

    Follow the connected dots carefully now. It’s called concealing your true intentions by hiring the most, deranged, clownish, war-mongering neocon available. Is that what’s been going on? I dunno, but there are a lot of people saying it is. But you stay there in your real world and don’t pay any attention to that conversation. That way you can keep calling yourself “realist.” Until you can’t.

    • Replies: @Realist
  80. Realist says:
    @gsjackson

    Follow the connected dots carefully now. It’s called concealing your true intentions by hiring the most, deranged, clownish, war-mongering neocon available. Is that what’s been going on?

    No dumbass explanation is too over the top for you ‘forever Trumpers”.

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