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As the culture war is about irreconcilable beliefs about God and man, right and wrong, good and evil, and is at root a religious war, it will be with us so long as men are free to act on their beliefs.

Yet, given the divisions among us, deeper and wider than ever, it is an open question as to how, and how long, we will endure as one people.

After World War II, our judicial dictatorship began a purge of public manifestations of the “Christian nation” that Harry Truman said we were.

In 2009, Barack Obama retorted, “We do not consider ourselves to be a Christian nation.” Secularism had been enthroned as our established religion, with only the most feeble of protests.

One can only imagine how Iranians or Afghans would deal with unelected judges moving to de-Islamicize their nations. Heads would roll, literally.

Which bring us to the first culture war skirmish of the Trump era.

Taking sides with Attorney General Jeff Sessions against Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, the president rescinded the Obama directive that gave transgender students the right to use the bathroom of their choice in public schools. President Donald Trump sent the issue back to the states and locales to decide.

While treated by the media and left as the civil rights cause of our era, the “bathroom debate” calls to mind Marx’s observation, “History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.”

Can anyone seriously contend that whether a 14-year-old boy, who thinks he is a girl, gets to use the girls’ bathroom is a civil rights issue comparable to whether African-Americans get the right to vote?

Remarkably, there was vigorous dissent, from DeVos, to returning this issue to where it belongs, with state and local officials.

After yielding on the bathroom question, she put out a statement declaring that every school in America has a “moral obligation” to protect children from bullying, and directed her Office of Civil Rights to investigate all claims of bullying or harassment “against those who are most vulnerable in our schools.”

Now, bullying is bad behavior, and it may be horrible behavior.

But when did a Republican Party that believes in states rights decide this was a responsibility of a bureaucracy Ronald Reagan promised but failed to shut down? When did the GOP become nanny-staters?

Bullying is something every kid in public, parochial or private school has witnessed by graduation. While unfortunate, it is part of growing up.

But what kind of society, what kind of people have we become when we start to rely on federal bureaucrats to stop big kids from harassing and beating up smaller or weaker kids?

While the bathroom debate is a skirmish in the culture war, Trump’s solution — send the issue back to the states and the people there to work it out — may point the way to a truce — assuming Americans still want a truce.

For Trump’s solution is rooted in the principle of subsidiarity, first advanced in the 1891 encyclical Rerum Novarum by Pope Leo XIII — that social problems are best resolved by the smallest unit of society with the ability to resolve them.

In brief, bullying is a problem for parents, teachers, principals to deal with, and local cops and the school district if it becomes widespread.

This idea is consistent with the Republican idea of federalism — that the national government should undertake those duties — securing the borders, fighting the nation’s wars, creating a continental road and rail system — that states alone cannot do.

Indeed, the nationalization of decision-making, the imposition of one-size-fits-all solutions to social problems, the court orders emanating from the ideology of judges — to which there is no appeal — that is behind the culture wars that may yet bring an end to this experiment in democratic rule.

Those factors are also among the primary causes of the fever of secessionism that is spreading all across Europe, and is now visible here.

Consider California. Democrats hold every state office, both Senate seats, two-thirds of both houses of the state legislature, 3 in 4 of the congressional seats. Hillary Clinton beat Trump 2-to-1 in California, with her margin in excess of 4 million votes.

Suddenly, California knows exactly how Marine Le Pen feels.

And as she wants to “Let France Be France,” and leave the EU, as Brits did with Brexit, a movement is afoot in California to secede from the United States and form a separate nation.

California seceding sounds like a cause that could bring San Francisco Democrats into a grand alliance with Breitbart.

A new federalism — a devolution of power and resources away from Washington and back to states, cities, towns and citizens, to let them resolve their problems their own way and according to their own principles — may be the price of retention of the American Union.

Let California be California; let red state America be red state America.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of the new book “The Greatest Comeback: How Richard Nixon Rose From Defeat to Create the New Majority.”

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  1. US Constitution Article 6 Paragraph 3

    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States

    The current divisions in the US are not really religious there are atheist Trump supporters just as there are Democrats who hold the most primitive inimical to Western values religious zealots.

    No they are cultural and political.

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  2. The simple answer is “no”.

    Duh…

    Over 600,000 Americans died to settle this issue long ago.

    So…what are we talking about now exactly?

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  3. I’m skeptical. Identifying our current troubles as simply a religious war, so to speak, is partial. It leaves unsaid the enormous chasm between racial and ethnic groups that now exists. Thus a region like the South, which is the nation’s most Conservative region, in terms of its White inhabitants, is also home to half of America’s Black population and a sizeable Hispanic one in several states. Those divisions would not disappear in a “devolved” America. And the South is hardly alone in this respect. There are considerations such as, what if California, Oregon, and Washington state decided to league together with China, and / or Mexico? These are just a few of the practical issues that would arise as soon as something like this happened. I don’t know what “the answer” is, if there is an answer, except that we should not be hasty in any sudden changes. “Act in haste, repent at leisure” my Mother often would say.

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  4. A perceptive article, as usual.

    May I raise one objection? You speak of “transgender students”. It’s a new addition to the Newspeak Dictionary. It’s boys who “think” they are “really” girls and vice versa.

    Do you have to use terms from the Newspeak Dictionary? If we speak and think the way the globo/homo elitists do, if we adopt their language and their mode of “thinking”, the culture war may be already lost.

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    • Replies: @botazefa
    I was partial to 'crossdressers', but then the medical community ignored its Hippocratic oath and began creating vaginas out of penises and erecting penises out of vaginas.

    How about 'gender disordered?'
    , @Stonehands
    Makes me crazy when cucks say they're "straight" -as opposed to gay... it's either "normal"...or DEGENERATE!
  5. A new federalism — a devolution of power and resources away from Washington and back to states, cities, towns and citizens, to let them resolve their problems their own way and according to their own principles — may be the price of retention of the American Union.

    A very good argument for subsidiary as envisaged in the 10th Amendment.

    But don’t leave it at the political level. Let taxation also be raised and spent locally, only leaving an absolute minimum with Washington. AIPAC for example would then have to attend a few thousand town hall meetings and argue the local cost/benefit of an Iraq war, same as all the other Special Interests.

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  6. The Culture War is a side dish. The main course is the Police State. Secession and nullification are the natural response to an Authoritarian Washington. The current regime, Trump notwithstanding, is fomenting hatred and strife among us at home and fear and loathing of us abroad. Sow the wind. Reap the whirlwind.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "The main course is the Police State. Secession and nullification are the natural response to an Authoritarian Washington."

    False news stories.

    "The current regime, Trump notwithstanding, is fomenting hatred and strife among us at home and fear and loathing of us abroad. Sow the wind. Reap the whirlwind."

    Are you going to join this secessionist movement with other "good whites"?

    Now, Patrick, the FULL quote for Obama (June 28, 2006 (as delivered): Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.
    , @Talha
    Darn it - already used my 'Agree' - but you said it WC!

    Peace.

  7. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Ben_C
    The simple answer is "no".

    Duh...

    Over 600,000 Americans died to settle this issue long ago.

    So...what are we talking about now exactly?

    long ago

    A key phrase.

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Very good and astute observation! And in arguably a very different context and for very different reasons.
  8. @Andrei Martyanov

    long ago
     
    A key phrase.

    Very good and astute observation! And in arguably a very different context and for very different reasons.

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  9. The problem is that California (and the left in general) doesn’t want to let “red state America be red state America”.

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    • Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday
    Precisely. We want to be left alone, and would leave them alone. They want us dead.
  10. @Jamie_NYC
    The problem is that California (and the left in general) doesn't want to let "red state America be red state America".

    Precisely. We want to be left alone, and would leave them alone. They want us dead.

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  11. most people don’t really give a fuck about your religion. who cares about the crutch you guys need to live? what kind of people would take away a critical crutch from people who needs it?

    but when you push you religion into my face, that is when you should expect a very, very strong shove back.

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  12. @WorkingClass
    The Culture War is a side dish. The main course is the Police State. Secession and nullification are the natural response to an Authoritarian Washington. The current regime, Trump notwithstanding, is fomenting hatred and strife among us at home and fear and loathing of us abroad. Sow the wind. Reap the whirlwind.

    “The main course is the Police State. Secession and nullification are the natural response to an Authoritarian Washington.”

    False news stories.

    “The current regime, Trump notwithstanding, is fomenting hatred and strife among us at home and fear and loathing of us abroad. Sow the wind. Reap the whirlwind.”

    Are you going to join this secessionist movement with other “good whites”?

    Now, Patrick, the FULL quote for Obama (June 28, 2006 (as delivered): Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.

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  13. I’m not interested in living in a Christian republic, and I don’t see how that’s what the founders envisaged. All sorts of people, religious or not, think a significant portion of the left has gone off the deep end. I’m an adamantly irreligious agnostic who voted for Trump (who was hardly a representative of the Christian right, even if he was popular with that segment of the electorate).

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    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    That's the problem, isn't it. We do live in theocracy. We live under the Cult of Equality and Diversity.
  14. No, secession is not a sane answer, neither is the Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, liberalism or patriotism as hallucinated by grayheaded children who think that they are genuinely one of the above and therefore, fit to be leaders or even parents. The extreme and hysterical OCD morons portrayed by the various crock show hosts and web sites or other media are not accurate portrayals of most adherents who are sufficiently literate to actually study these credos and then act like sane adults. There is no truth more damnable than events taken out of context and portrayed to manipulate for fraudulent purpose. Of course, fraud used to be defined as” taking advantage against conscience” and you have to wonder if any of these vampires really have one. Never mind your oak stakes, I prefer Hornady or Federal. The media sources where these morons get their science, politics and religion are selling influence and advertising, not democracy or citizenship.

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  15. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    A perceptive article, as usual.

    May I raise one objection? You speak of "transgender students". It's a new addition to the Newspeak Dictionary. It's boys who "think" they are "really" girls and vice versa.

    Do you have to use terms from the Newspeak Dictionary? If we speak and think the way the globo/homo elitists do, if we adopt their language and their mode of "thinking", the culture war may be already lost.

    I was partial to ‘crossdressers’, but then the medical community ignored its Hippocratic oath and began creating vaginas out of penises and erecting penises out of vaginas.

    How about ‘gender disordered?’

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  16. @RudyM
    I'm not interested in living in a Christian republic, and I don't see how that's what the founders envisaged. All sorts of people, religious or not, think a significant portion of the left has gone off the deep end. I'm an adamantly irreligious agnostic who voted for Trump (who was hardly a representative of the Christian right, even if he was popular with that segment of the electorate).

    That’s the problem, isn’t it. We do live in theocracy. We live under the Cult of Equality and Diversity.

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  17. Once again Buchanon ignores the fact that the anti-constitutional Supreme Court declared secession unconstitutional back in the late 1800s after the War of Secession at which time it was still constitutional. The Supreme Court has been creating problems for this country since it was founded. There needs to be a time limit for the judges and ways to remove them from office, even prosecute them if needed.

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    • Replies: @bluedog
    I would much rather see the original 13th amendment added to the Constitution and only constitutional scholar's sitting upon the high court rather than corrupt judges who have been corrupted by the system they served...
  18. Federalism might be a solution, but it requires the morals and mindset of our Founding Fathers. It will not work if liberals get to disregard federal authority when they disagree with it but can force it down the throats of the Right when they support it.

    In practice, we’ve had anti-White legislation and judicial rulings forced on the entire country because the Cultural Marxists created a bogus 14th Amendment concept of Civil Rights. Yet the dopers smoke their marijuana because of liberal states’ rights. We have Christians forced to bake cakes for homosexuals because there’s no exemption for personal beliefs, but liberals can boycott North Carolina because there’s freedom of association.

    Nowhere is the hypocrisy more blatant than with homosexual marriage. It started with a few wacko liberal states manipulating the principle of federalism to create a perversion even Marxists themselves would have thought laughable a few decades ago. Then the Supreme Court legislated it into a Constitutional right that no longer permits the states a say in the matter.

    The Right cannot abstain from exercising the power it has just won by falling back on Federalism unless it first overturns the Left’s abuses of the last decades. Otherwise, we’re back to Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Bush times two. We’re back to conservatives conserving nothing but the Marxist trajectory set by the prior administration.

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  19. @Corvinus
    "The main course is the Police State. Secession and nullification are the natural response to an Authoritarian Washington."

    False news stories.

    "The current regime, Trump notwithstanding, is fomenting hatred and strife among us at home and fear and loathing of us abroad. Sow the wind. Reap the whirlwind."

    Are you going to join this secessionist movement with other "good whites"?

    Now, Patrick, the FULL quote for Obama (June 28, 2006 (as delivered): Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.

    Say what?

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  20. The U.S. is a Christian nation but only nominally so. Most contemporary U.S. Christians aren’t nearly as observant as previous generations and the evangelicals worship the Jewish people and the state of Israel more than they do Christ. Some protestant sects have adopted tenets of cultural Marxism such as acceptance of homosexuality, illegal aliens and the veneration blacks and other non-white races.

    So I’m baffled that Pat frames the problems of dystopian and disunited 2017 America as a battle between a bible believing moral majority presumably of all races vs. heathens and cultural Marxists. It’s not that simple. Sunday worship is known as one of the most segregated times in America and Christianity has not united black, white and brown into a united polity nor can it. Nor can any major religion for that matter.

    The major fault lines in America are racial, ethnic and ideological. They are literally ripping the nation apart and no amount of civic nationalism (which doesn’t appeal to non-whites), virtue signaling or well wishing can change this fact.

    At minimum a diffusion of political power back to states and localities is an absolute must rather than force all whites to conform to the norms of of a “one size fits all” anti-white, anti-heterosexual value system that Pat laments in this column. Preferably the government needs to begin mapping out a partition plan to avoid a full scale and very bloody civil war.

    But racial partition of the United States or secession is not good for the Jews, so given their power and influence the probability of this happening is very low.

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    • Replies: @MEexpert

    Sunday worship is known as one of the most segregated times in America and Christianity has not united black, white and brown into a united polity nor can it. Nor can any major religion for that matter.
     
    Islam has. That is the beauty of Islam. Islam came to remove all these differences. During the prayers, whites-blacks, rich-poor, kings-subjects, they all stand side-by-side. The first designated person to call-for-prayers during the time of the Prophet was a non-Arab black man from Africa. When he called, everyone regardless of their position or status came running to the Mosque to perform their prayers. Then there is the annual pilgrimage. There everyone wears the same types of clothes, two white terry cloth sheets wrapped around them. People, regardless of color, race, class, or gender, all circle around the House-of-God in Makkah together.
  21. @WorkingClass
    The Culture War is a side dish. The main course is the Police State. Secession and nullification are the natural response to an Authoritarian Washington. The current regime, Trump notwithstanding, is fomenting hatred and strife among us at home and fear and loathing of us abroad. Sow the wind. Reap the whirlwind.

    Darn it – already used my ‘Agree’ – but you said it WC!

    Peace.

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  22. I think Pat may be giving too much moral credit to the left. Liberalism and egalitarianism are inherent ills that have always simmered beneath the social fabric, stretching back as long as history itself. It’s just America with its democratic system that has allowed these people to surface, and gather enough power to be a real cultural force. One way or another, they will have to be defeated.

    The right and the left are not equally valid forces. In a normal, historical sense, the left would barely exist.

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  23. What we need is a Constitutional Amendment to the effect that Congress shall make no laws regarding the use of lavatories and washrooms.

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  24. The US is a Christian nation only insofar as Christian values, i.e. Man in God’s image, informed the rise of liberal philosophy enshrined in the Constitution. There have always been moralist busybodies, mostly with anti-modernist interpretations of Christianity, wanting to attack the liberal foundation of the country. More recently, the SJW “left” has stepped into the fray as another faction of moralist busybodies. When the Christian and SJW busybodies go off on each other, I just make a bowl of popcorn.

    Think about this, Paddy boy, Hispanics form one of the biggest blocs of social conservatives in California.

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  25. Is Secession a Solution to Cultural War?

    Or maybe going back to some revamped version of the Articles of Confederation?

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  26. @KenH
    The U.S. is a Christian nation but only nominally so. Most contemporary U.S. Christians aren't nearly as observant as previous generations and the evangelicals worship the Jewish people and the state of Israel more than they do Christ. Some protestant sects have adopted tenets of cultural Marxism such as acceptance of homosexuality, illegal aliens and the veneration blacks and other non-white races.

    So I'm baffled that Pat frames the problems of dystopian and disunited 2017 America as a battle between a bible believing moral majority presumably of all races vs. heathens and cultural Marxists. It's not that simple. Sunday worship is known as one of the most segregated times in America and Christianity has not united black, white and brown into a united polity nor can it. Nor can any major religion for that matter.

    The major fault lines in America are racial, ethnic and ideological. They are literally ripping the nation apart and no amount of civic nationalism (which doesn't appeal to non-whites), virtue signaling or well wishing can change this fact.

    At minimum a diffusion of political power back to states and localities is an absolute must rather than force all whites to conform to the norms of of a "one size fits all" anti-white, anti-heterosexual value system that Pat laments in this column. Preferably the government needs to begin mapping out a partition plan to avoid a full scale and very bloody civil war.

    But racial partition of the United States or secession is not good for the Jews, so given their power and influence the probability of this happening is very low.

    Sunday worship is known as one of the most segregated times in America and Christianity has not united black, white and brown into a united polity nor can it. Nor can any major religion for that matter.

    Islam has. That is the beauty of Islam. Islam came to remove all these differences. During the prayers, whites-blacks, rich-poor, kings-subjects, they all stand side-by-side. The first designated person to call-for-prayers during the time of the Prophet was a non-Arab black man from Africa. When he called, everyone regardless of their position or status came running to the Mosque to perform their prayers. Then there is the annual pilgrimage. There everyone wears the same types of clothes, two white terry cloth sheets wrapped around them. People, regardless of color, race, class, or gender, all circle around the House-of-God in Makkah together.

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    • Replies: @KenH

    Islam has. That is the beauty of Islam. Islam came to remove all these differences.
     
    Islam has not and Islamic nations are wracked by ethno-nationalist conflicts. In the Middle East it's Arab vs. Kurd vs. Turk vs. Persian, plus the Shia vs. Sunni religious schism. Islam has solved little in the way of ethno-nationalist conflicts.

    In Afghanistan people see themselves not as Muslims first, but as Pashtuns, Hazaras, Tajiks or Uzbeks. Even Pashtuns periodically fight and kill each other. Islam has not unified the nation into a cohesive unit.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/19/world/asia/afghan-ethnic-tensions-rise-in-media-and-politics.html

    As for the anecdote about a black African making a call to prayer and everyone dutifully answering. I recall reading a story in The Telegraph or another British newspaper around 2004-5 about Iraqi insurgent snipers targeting black soldiers since Arabs considered it supremely insulting for their nation (Iraq) to be occupied by black troops. There's plenty of black African Muslims, but I don't see Arab-Muslim nations allowing them to migrate to Syria, SA, Iraq, Jordan, etc.

    Christianity hasn't fared much better in uniting disparate racial & ethnic groups or if it has it's been short lived.

    You are free to cling to your romantic view of Islam and religions come and go. But race and ethnicity are forever and ethno-nationalism has proven to be more intractable, more enduring and more powerful than religion down through the centuries.
  27. “Islam came to remove all these differences.”

    Which is exactly what’s wrong with Islam.

    In dissolving differences Islam has had to reduce humanity to the essence of what they have in common. But this is antithetical to the inventiveness of the individual creativity that characterizes Western people.

    Who wants to be part of a herd of similarly robed robots all facing the same direction with their asses in the air and their foreheads on the ground?

    Only a nobody who resents people who want to be more than nobodies, that’s who.

    Islam is compatible with today’s leftist agenda because both demand submission to mediocrity, to herd-like behavior. Little surprise that such a religion arouse from a culture of goat herders.

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    Islam is compatible with today’s leftist agenda because both demand submission to mediocrity, to herd-like behavior. Little surprise that such a religion arouse from a culture of goat herders.
     
    Mediocrity indeed. That is why those goat herders contributed to such modern fields as, Astronomy, Mathematics, Chemistry, Physics, Medicine to name just a few. The eleventh century goat herder, Bu Ali Sina's (known to west as Avicenna) work in medicine is still used today in medical schools.

    Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rūmī, more popularly simply as Rumi, was a 13th-century Persian Muslim poet, jurist, Islamic scholar, theologian, and Sufi mystic. He is the best selling poet in the US today.

    There is not enough space in this forum to list all the contributions of Islam to this world. Do a search on Google and you will find a list of Muslim scholars, scientists and mathematicians.
  28. @woodNfish
    Once again Buchanon ignores the fact that the anti-constitutional Supreme Court declared secession unconstitutional back in the late 1800s after the War of Secession at which time it was still constitutional. The Supreme Court has been creating problems for this country since it was founded. There needs to be a time limit for the judges and ways to remove them from office, even prosecute them if needed.

    I would much rather see the original 13th amendment added to the Constitution and only constitutional scholar’s sitting upon the high court rather than corrupt judges who have been corrupted by the system they served…

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  29. If secession is actually on the table, there is another option we should consider. That option is admitting defeat to Mexico and ceding a portion of the conquered area to Mexico.

    Initially that seems very unpalatable, but it is preferable to secession in a lot of ways.

    1. We get to define the boundaries of the lost land. It probably means losing most of the Southern part of California and some of Arizona. But it also means we can possibly retain access to valuable and strategic seaports.

    2. We get to dismantle any military facilities and retain the equipment. Leaving all this infrastructure and equipment in the hands of a seceded California is insanity. Both sides will lay claim to it. The fight over this issue alone will almost surely result in a bloody civil war and not the peaceful secession people are imagining.

    3. It will almost surely wake people up to the fact that demographics matter. People need to see actual physical evidence that our Western countries are being invaded, colonized and conquered.

    4. It prevents the very real possibility of a failed socialist California becoming a client state of our enemies. A California aligned with China against the United States is an existential threat.

    5. It provides a small possibility of the new Mexican state of Nuevo California pulling the rest of Mexico along into first world status. That would be better for both Mexicans and Americans. Yes, the hit to American GDP will hurt. It is a small price to pay to secure the existence of an American nation for a few more centuries.

    Now we just have to make Southern California think it was their idea.

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  30. @ThreeCranes
    "Islam came to remove all these differences."

    Which is exactly what's wrong with Islam.

    In dissolving differences Islam has had to reduce humanity to the essence of what they have in common. But this is antithetical to the inventiveness of the individual creativity that characterizes Western people.

    Who wants to be part of a herd of similarly robed robots all facing the same direction with their asses in the air and their foreheads on the ground?

    Only a nobody who resents people who want to be more than nobodies, that's who.

    Islam is compatible with today's leftist agenda because both demand submission to mediocrity, to herd-like behavior. Little surprise that such a religion arouse from a culture of goat herders.

    Islam is compatible with today’s leftist agenda because both demand submission to mediocrity, to herd-like behavior. Little surprise that such a religion arouse from a culture of goat herders.

    Mediocrity indeed. That is why those goat herders contributed to such modern fields as, Astronomy, Mathematics, Chemistry, Physics, Medicine to name just a few. The eleventh century goat herder, Bu Ali Sina’s (known to west as Avicenna) work in medicine is still used today in medical schools.

    Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rūmī, more popularly simply as Rumi, was a 13th-century Persian Muslim poet, jurist, Islamic scholar, theologian, and Sufi mystic. He is the best selling poet in the US today.

    There is not enough space in this forum to list all the contributions of Islam to this world. Do a search on Google and you will find a list of Muslim scholars, scientists and mathematicians.

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    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    Always evoking the memories of how Islamic scholars preserved the legacy of Greece and the flowering of culture in the year 980 etc.

    You make my point perfectly.

    The longer those unfortunate Semitic people have labored under the yoke of Islam the less significant their contributions have become.

    But all is not lost. As another Semitic group has done before you, the present day Semitic and Arab invaders of Europe may splice their genes to those of Europeans and thereby bootstrap themselves into civilized respectability, higher IQs and just possibly, progress eugenically by not marrying their nieces.

  31. @MEexpert

    Islam is compatible with today’s leftist agenda because both demand submission to mediocrity, to herd-like behavior. Little surprise that such a religion arouse from a culture of goat herders.
     
    Mediocrity indeed. That is why those goat herders contributed to such modern fields as, Astronomy, Mathematics, Chemistry, Physics, Medicine to name just a few. The eleventh century goat herder, Bu Ali Sina's (known to west as Avicenna) work in medicine is still used today in medical schools.

    Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rūmī, more popularly simply as Rumi, was a 13th-century Persian Muslim poet, jurist, Islamic scholar, theologian, and Sufi mystic. He is the best selling poet in the US today.

    There is not enough space in this forum to list all the contributions of Islam to this world. Do a search on Google and you will find a list of Muslim scholars, scientists and mathematicians.

    Always evoking the memories of how Islamic scholars preserved the legacy of Greece and the flowering of culture in the year 980 etc.

    You make my point perfectly.

    The longer those unfortunate Semitic people have labored under the yoke of Islam the less significant their contributions have become.

    But all is not lost. As another Semitic group has done before you, the present day Semitic and Arab invaders of Europe may splice their genes to those of Europeans and thereby bootstrap themselves into civilized respectability, higher IQs and just possibly, progress eugenically by not marrying their nieces.

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    Typical. When you lose an argument, deny everything.
  32. @ThreeCranes
    Always evoking the memories of how Islamic scholars preserved the legacy of Greece and the flowering of culture in the year 980 etc.

    You make my point perfectly.

    The longer those unfortunate Semitic people have labored under the yoke of Islam the less significant their contributions have become.

    But all is not lost. As another Semitic group has done before you, the present day Semitic and Arab invaders of Europe may splice their genes to those of Europeans and thereby bootstrap themselves into civilized respectability, higher IQs and just possibly, progress eugenically by not marrying their nieces.

    Typical. When you lose an argument, deny everything.

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  33. @MEexpert

    Sunday worship is known as one of the most segregated times in America and Christianity has not united black, white and brown into a united polity nor can it. Nor can any major religion for that matter.
     
    Islam has. That is the beauty of Islam. Islam came to remove all these differences. During the prayers, whites-blacks, rich-poor, kings-subjects, they all stand side-by-side. The first designated person to call-for-prayers during the time of the Prophet was a non-Arab black man from Africa. When he called, everyone regardless of their position or status came running to the Mosque to perform their prayers. Then there is the annual pilgrimage. There everyone wears the same types of clothes, two white terry cloth sheets wrapped around them. People, regardless of color, race, class, or gender, all circle around the House-of-God in Makkah together.

    Islam has. That is the beauty of Islam. Islam came to remove all these differences.

    Islam has not and Islamic nations are wracked by ethno-nationalist conflicts. In the Middle East it’s Arab vs. Kurd vs. Turk vs. Persian, plus the Shia vs. Sunni religious schism. Islam has solved little in the way of ethno-nationalist conflicts.

    In Afghanistan people see themselves not as Muslims first, but as Pashtuns, Hazaras, Tajiks or Uzbeks. Even Pashtuns periodically fight and kill each other. Islam has not unified the nation into a cohesive unit.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/19/world/asia/afghan-ethnic-tensions-rise-in-media-and-politics.html

    As for the anecdote about a black African making a call to prayer and everyone dutifully answering. I recall reading a story in The Telegraph or another British newspaper around 2004-5 about Iraqi insurgent snipers targeting black soldiers since Arabs considered it supremely insulting for their nation (Iraq) to be occupied by black troops. There’s plenty of black African Muslims, but I don’t see Arab-Muslim nations allowing them to migrate to Syria, SA, Iraq, Jordan, etc.

    Christianity hasn’t fared much better in uniting disparate racial & ethnic groups or if it has it’s been short lived.

    You are free to cling to your romantic view of Islam and religions come and go. But race and ethnicity are forever and ethno-nationalism has proven to be more intractable, more enduring and more powerful than religion down through the centuries.

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    Islam has not and Islamic nations are wracked by ethno-nationalist conflicts. In the Middle East it’s Arab vs. Kurd vs. Turk vs. Persian, plus the Shia vs. Sunni religious schism. Islam has solved little in the way of ethno-nationalist conflicts.
     
    They are not fighting for religion. It is politics and land grab. If people don't follow the religion that doesn't mean the religion is bad.

    Once I went to the jury duty. There were hundreds of people waiting to be called for assignments and I thought to myself, for a country of laws we sure have too many criminals. Does that mean the laws are bad?
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    Secession isn’t an option.

    The left is working frantically to turn the world into one. Their outlook is global, and they simply won’t allow dissenters to opt out.

    The only way secession could happen is with a negotiated settlement, after a very ugly war. Even then, it would be a temporary solution — after a while they would be back and agitating for war again.

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  35. Unisex bathrooms are the obvious solution.

    And before someone goes off on how that’s some nefarious liberal idea, I’d remind you that I’d expect that at least 99% of Americans use a unisex bathroom on a regular basis.

    And before you say I’m wrong, answer this question. Do the bathrooms in your home or apartment have signs to designate whether they are for “Men” or “Women.? I’m guessing no.

    Maybe the 1% have so much money that they put bathrooms on every floor with signs giving the name of the designated user. Donald, Hillary, Bill, etc. But otherwise, everyone who might read this uses Unisex bathrooms on a regular basis.

    About the only change that needs to be made is that the urinals or troughs that currently are seen in high use men’s public bathrooms would be replaced with a few extra stalls. I wouldn’t miss them, especially the nasty troughs.

    I do suppose Republican congressmen might have to adjust and realize that it might not be a man that they are playing footsy with in the next stall over. :)

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    You are right of course, down here in the backward southern states the "problem" is solved with door locks, which may be too easy for many of the morons who hallucinate being liberal or conservative.
  36. Conservatives are very inconsistent. One day, they argue that local government making local decisions is best.

    But today I just read that the Trump administration is planning to attack the states that have democratically decided to legalize marijuana. When the issue changes, suddenly the conservatives say that the big bad federal government should make all the rules and not even democracy should be allowed to interfere. Why on earth whould the majority of the people in a local be able to make their own decisions about their community? That would be awful! The President and the Federal Government knows best!

    In my state, its on record that 52% of the people would oppose this. Be nice to have a few conservatives also choose to stand up for democracy and join us in trying to stop this assault on liberty.

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  37. I’m guessing you wouldn’t be happy with just one ‘scholar’ making settling all disputes if that scholars name was Barrack Obama? Just like others wouldn’t be fond of Ted Cruz? It could happen. No matter what ideals lie behind the principle, it will become political.

    Obama is young, and he was billed as a constitutional scholar back in his original campaign. If the Democrats got power again (and people like Trump tend to cause strong rebounds in the other direction), I could easily see the Dems naming Barrack as the sole constitutional scholar!

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    I could easily see the Dems naming Barrack as the sole constitutional scholar!
     
    Yes, a constitutional scholar who shredded the constitution.
  38. @Joe369
    Unisex bathrooms are the obvious solution.

    And before someone goes off on how that's some nefarious liberal idea, I'd remind you that I'd expect that at least 99% of Americans use a unisex bathroom on a regular basis.

    And before you say I'm wrong, answer this question. Do the bathrooms in your home or apartment have signs to designate whether they are for "Men" or "Women.? I'm guessing no.

    Maybe the 1% have so much money that they put bathrooms on every floor with signs giving the name of the designated user. Donald, Hillary, Bill, etc. But otherwise, everyone who might read this uses Unisex bathrooms on a regular basis.

    About the only change that needs to be made is that the urinals or troughs that currently are seen in high use men's public bathrooms would be replaced with a few extra stalls. I wouldn't miss them, especially the nasty troughs.

    I do suppose Republican congressmen might have to adjust and realize that it might not be a man that they are playing footsy with in the next stall over. :)

    You are right of course, down here in the backward southern states the “problem” is solved with door locks, which may be too easy for many of the morons who hallucinate being liberal or conservative.

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  39. @KenH

    Islam has. That is the beauty of Islam. Islam came to remove all these differences.
     
    Islam has not and Islamic nations are wracked by ethno-nationalist conflicts. In the Middle East it's Arab vs. Kurd vs. Turk vs. Persian, plus the Shia vs. Sunni religious schism. Islam has solved little in the way of ethno-nationalist conflicts.

    In Afghanistan people see themselves not as Muslims first, but as Pashtuns, Hazaras, Tajiks or Uzbeks. Even Pashtuns periodically fight and kill each other. Islam has not unified the nation into a cohesive unit.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/19/world/asia/afghan-ethnic-tensions-rise-in-media-and-politics.html

    As for the anecdote about a black African making a call to prayer and everyone dutifully answering. I recall reading a story in The Telegraph or another British newspaper around 2004-5 about Iraqi insurgent snipers targeting black soldiers since Arabs considered it supremely insulting for their nation (Iraq) to be occupied by black troops. There's plenty of black African Muslims, but I don't see Arab-Muslim nations allowing them to migrate to Syria, SA, Iraq, Jordan, etc.

    Christianity hasn't fared much better in uniting disparate racial & ethnic groups or if it has it's been short lived.

    You are free to cling to your romantic view of Islam and religions come and go. But race and ethnicity are forever and ethno-nationalism has proven to be more intractable, more enduring and more powerful than religion down through the centuries.

    Islam has not and Islamic nations are wracked by ethno-nationalist conflicts. In the Middle East it’s Arab vs. Kurd vs. Turk vs. Persian, plus the Shia vs. Sunni religious schism. Islam has solved little in the way of ethno-nationalist conflicts.

    They are not fighting for religion. It is politics and land grab. If people don’t follow the religion that doesn’t mean the religion is bad.

    Once I went to the jury duty. There were hundreds of people waiting to be called for assignments and I thought to myself, for a country of laws we sure have too many criminals. Does that mean the laws are bad?

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    If people don’t follow the religion that doesn’t mean the religion is bad.
     
    This isn't a matter of religious impiety. The point is that religion, whether Islam or Christianity, has failed to prevent racial and ethnic conflicts around the globe. This is not an indictment or criticism, only a factual observation.
  40. @Bill543
    I'm guessing you wouldn't be happy with just one 'scholar' making settling all disputes if that scholars name was Barrack Obama? Just like others wouldn't be fond of Ted Cruz? It could happen. No matter what ideals lie behind the principle, it will become political.

    Obama is young, and he was billed as a constitutional scholar back in his original campaign. If the Democrats got power again (and people like Trump tend to cause strong rebounds in the other direction), I could easily see the Dems naming Barrack as the sole constitutional scholar!

    I could easily see the Dems naming Barrack as the sole constitutional scholar!

    Yes, a constitutional scholar who shredded the constitution.

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  41. @MEexpert

    Islam has not and Islamic nations are wracked by ethno-nationalist conflicts. In the Middle East it’s Arab vs. Kurd vs. Turk vs. Persian, plus the Shia vs. Sunni religious schism. Islam has solved little in the way of ethno-nationalist conflicts.
     
    They are not fighting for religion. It is politics and land grab. If people don't follow the religion that doesn't mean the religion is bad.

    Once I went to the jury duty. There were hundreds of people waiting to be called for assignments and I thought to myself, for a country of laws we sure have too many criminals. Does that mean the laws are bad?

    If people don’t follow the religion that doesn’t mean the religion is bad.

    This isn’t a matter of religious impiety. The point is that religion, whether Islam or Christianity, has failed to prevent racial and ethnic conflicts around the globe. This is not an indictment or criticism, only a factual observation.

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    The point is that religion, whether Islam or Christianity, has failed to prevent racial and ethnic conflicts around the globe.
     
    I agree, but it is not the fault of either Christianity or Islam. Again, it is the people who do not follow the teachings of either religion.

    In Qur'an Chapter 109, God tells his Prophet to tell the unbelievers, that:
    O unbelievers, I do not worship those who you worship, neither do you worship Him whom I worship, nor will I worship those whom you have worshipped, nor are you going to worship Him whom I worship, To you is your religion and to me is my religion.
     
    It cannot be any clearer than that. There are many passages like that in Qur'an. If Muslims follow that simple rule there will not be any problem. The Wahhabis/Salafis have their own interpretation which no other sect in Islam agrees with but the west takes their interpretation as the true Islam.

    The fundamental problem is that the Jews have sinked into the western mind that we have three different Gods. Jew have theirs, Christians have theirs and Muslims according to them do not believe in the same God and have one of their own. Muslims believe that there is only one God which we call Allah. If we all could agree on that one issue and not succumb to the Jewish propaganda, we could eliminate lot of these problems.

    The fact is that whatever is going on in the world today has nothing to do with religion. These people are using religion to achieve their goals of expansionism and eliminating their so called enemies. They define enemy as any body who doesn't believe as they do. Behind all this is the Saudi petrodollar. They have bought over the traditional Sunnis to support them against the Shias, even though they consider the traditional Sunnis as heretics, as well.

  42. @KenH

    If people don’t follow the religion that doesn’t mean the religion is bad.
     
    This isn't a matter of religious impiety. The point is that religion, whether Islam or Christianity, has failed to prevent racial and ethnic conflicts around the globe. This is not an indictment or criticism, only a factual observation.

    The point is that religion, whether Islam or Christianity, has failed to prevent racial and ethnic conflicts around the globe.

    I agree, but it is not the fault of either Christianity or Islam. Again, it is the people who do not follow the teachings of either religion.

    In Qur’an Chapter 109, God tells his Prophet to tell the unbelievers, that:
    O unbelievers, I do not worship those who you worship, neither do you worship Him whom I worship, nor will I worship those whom you have worshipped, nor are you going to worship Him whom I worship, To you is your religion and to me is my religion.

    It cannot be any clearer than that. There are many passages like that in Qur’an. If Muslims follow that simple rule there will not be any problem. The Wahhabis/Salafis have their own interpretation which no other sect in Islam agrees with but the west takes their interpretation as the true Islam.

    The fundamental problem is that the Jews have sinked into the western mind that we have three different Gods. Jew have theirs, Christians have theirs and Muslims according to them do not believe in the same God and have one of their own. Muslims believe that there is only one God which we call Allah. If we all could agree on that one issue and not succumb to the Jewish propaganda, we could eliminate lot of these problems.

    The fact is that whatever is going on in the world today has nothing to do with religion. These people are using religion to achieve their goals of expansionism and eliminating their so called enemies. They define enemy as any body who doesn’t believe as they do. Behind all this is the Saudi petrodollar. They have bought over the traditional Sunnis to support them against the Shias, even though they consider the traditional Sunnis as heretics, as well.

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    "The fundamental problem is that the Jews have sinked into the western mind that we have three different Gods. Jew have theirs, Christians have theirs and Muslims according to them do not believe in the same God and have one of their own. Muslims believe that there is only one God which we call Allah. If we all could agree on that one issue and not succumb to the Jewish propaganda, we could eliminate lot of these problems."

    There is no Jewish propaganda here. The adherents to the major religions each have made the claim that their faith is the "best" or "most righteous" and that other faiths are "evil" or "heretics".

    "The fact is that whatever is going on in the world today has nothing to do with religion."

    followed by...

    "These people are using religion to achieve their goals of expansionism and eliminating their so called enemies."

    You do realize the contradiction here, correct?
  43. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    A perceptive article, as usual.

    May I raise one objection? You speak of "transgender students". It's a new addition to the Newspeak Dictionary. It's boys who "think" they are "really" girls and vice versa.

    Do you have to use terms from the Newspeak Dictionary? If we speak and think the way the globo/homo elitists do, if we adopt their language and their mode of "thinking", the culture war may be already lost.

    Makes me crazy when cucks say they’re “straight” -as opposed to gay… it’s either “normal”…or DEGENERATE!

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  44. @MEexpert

    The point is that religion, whether Islam or Christianity, has failed to prevent racial and ethnic conflicts around the globe.
     
    I agree, but it is not the fault of either Christianity or Islam. Again, it is the people who do not follow the teachings of either religion.

    In Qur'an Chapter 109, God tells his Prophet to tell the unbelievers, that:
    O unbelievers, I do not worship those who you worship, neither do you worship Him whom I worship, nor will I worship those whom you have worshipped, nor are you going to worship Him whom I worship, To you is your religion and to me is my religion.
     
    It cannot be any clearer than that. There are many passages like that in Qur'an. If Muslims follow that simple rule there will not be any problem. The Wahhabis/Salafis have their own interpretation which no other sect in Islam agrees with but the west takes their interpretation as the true Islam.

    The fundamental problem is that the Jews have sinked into the western mind that we have three different Gods. Jew have theirs, Christians have theirs and Muslims according to them do not believe in the same God and have one of their own. Muslims believe that there is only one God which we call Allah. If we all could agree on that one issue and not succumb to the Jewish propaganda, we could eliminate lot of these problems.

    The fact is that whatever is going on in the world today has nothing to do with religion. These people are using religion to achieve their goals of expansionism and eliminating their so called enemies. They define enemy as any body who doesn't believe as they do. Behind all this is the Saudi petrodollar. They have bought over the traditional Sunnis to support them against the Shias, even though they consider the traditional Sunnis as heretics, as well.

    “The fundamental problem is that the Jews have sinked into the western mind that we have three different Gods. Jew have theirs, Christians have theirs and Muslims according to them do not believe in the same God and have one of their own. Muslims believe that there is only one God which we call Allah. If we all could agree on that one issue and not succumb to the Jewish propaganda, we could eliminate lot of these problems.”

    There is no Jewish propaganda here. The adherents to the major religions each have made the claim that their faith is the “best” or “most righteous” and that other faiths are “evil” or “heretics”.

    “The fact is that whatever is going on in the world today has nothing to do with religion.”

    followed by…

    “These people are using religion to achieve their goals of expansionism and eliminating their so called enemies.”

    You do realize the contradiction here, correct?

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    There is no Jewish propaganda here. The adherents to the major religions each have made the claim that their faith is the “best” or “most righteous” and that other faiths are “evil” or “heretics”.

     

    Yes there is. You must not have been paying attention to the experts like Daniel Pipes, Pamella Geller, and Robert Spencer. These three, among many others, have been educating Americans about what Islam is in their own convoluted way. There filth is then picked up by the right wing media and blasted across the US. Unfortunately, some of these people could not even pronounce Islam or Muslim correctly before 9/11 but since then have become experts.

    “The fact is that whatever is going on in the world today has nothing to do with religion.”
    followed by…
    “These people are using religion to achieve their goals of expansionism and eliminating their so called enemies.”
    You do realize the contradiction here, correct?
     
    Absolutely not. Just because people do something bad using religion or in the name of religion, does not mean religion is bad. Actually, what these people (ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc.) are doing in the name of religion is contrary to the teachings of Islam.

    As I said before, if we could all agree that there is only one GOD, and is the same for every one, most of the world problems will go away. Of course, then there is the group that does not believe in God at all but that is a different story.

  45. @Corvinus
    "The fundamental problem is that the Jews have sinked into the western mind that we have three different Gods. Jew have theirs, Christians have theirs and Muslims according to them do not believe in the same God and have one of their own. Muslims believe that there is only one God which we call Allah. If we all could agree on that one issue and not succumb to the Jewish propaganda, we could eliminate lot of these problems."

    There is no Jewish propaganda here. The adherents to the major religions each have made the claim that their faith is the "best" or "most righteous" and that other faiths are "evil" or "heretics".

    "The fact is that whatever is going on in the world today has nothing to do with religion."

    followed by...

    "These people are using religion to achieve their goals of expansionism and eliminating their so called enemies."

    You do realize the contradiction here, correct?

    There is no Jewish propaganda here. The adherents to the major religions each have made the claim that their faith is the “best” or “most righteous” and that other faiths are “evil” or “heretics”.

    Yes there is. You must not have been paying attention to the experts like Daniel Pipes, Pamella Geller, and Robert Spencer. These three, among many others, have been educating Americans about what Islam is in their own convoluted way. There filth is then picked up by the right wing media and blasted across the US. Unfortunately, some of these people could not even pronounce Islam or Muslim correctly before 9/11 but since then have become experts.

    “The fact is that whatever is going on in the world today has nothing to do with religion.”
    followed by…
    “These people are using religion to achieve their goals of expansionism and eliminating their so called enemies.”
    You do realize the contradiction here, correct?

    Absolutely not. Just because people do something bad using religion or in the name of religion, does not mean religion is bad. Actually, what these people (ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc.) are doing in the name of religion is contrary to the teachings of Islam.

    As I said before, if we could all agree that there is only one GOD, and is the same for every one, most of the world problems will go away. Of course, then there is the group that does not believe in God at all but that is a different story.

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