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“The senator from Kentucky,” said John McCain, speaking of his colleague Rand Paul, “is working for Vladimir Putin … and I do not say that lightly.”

What did Sen. Paul do to deserve being called a hireling of Vladimir Putin?

He declined to support McCain’s call for a unanimous Senate vote to bring Montenegro into NATO as the 29th member of a Cold War alliance President Trump has called “obsolete.”

Bordered by Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Kosovo and Albania, tiny Montenegro has a population roughly that of D.C., and sits on the western coast of the most volatile peninsula in Europe.

What strategic benefit would accrue from having Montenegro as an ally that would justify the risk of our having to go to war should some neighbor breach Montenegro’s borders?

Historically, the Balkans have been an incubator of war. In the 19th century, Otto van Bismarck predicted that when the Great War came, it would come out of “some damn fool thing in the Balkans.” And so it did when the Austrian archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo June 28, 1914 by Serbian ethnonationalist Gavrilo Princip.

Aflame with ethnic, civil and sectarian war in the 1990s, the western Balkans are again in political turmoil. Milo Djukanovic, the longtime Montenegrin prime minister who resigned on election day in October, claims that he was targeted for assassination by Russia to prevent Montenegro’s accession to NATO.

Russia denies it. But on the Senate floor, McCain raged at Rand Paul: “You are achieving the objectives of Vladimir Putin … trying to dismember this small country which has already been the subject of an attempted coup.”

But if Montenegro, awash in corruption and crime, is on the verge of an uprising or coup, why would the U.S. issue a war guarantee that could vault us into a confrontation with Russia — without a full Senate debate?

The vote that needs explaining here is not Rand Paul’s.

It is the votes of those senators who are handing out U.S.-NATO war guarantees to countries most Americans could not find on a map.

Is no one besides Sen. Paul asking the relevant questions here?

What vital U.S. interest is imperiled in who comes to power in Podgorica, Montenegro? Why cannot Europe handle this problem in its own back yard?

Has President Trump given McCain, who wanted President Bush to intervene in a Russia-Georgia war — over South Ossetia! — carte blanche to hand out war guarantees to unstable Balkan states?

Did Trump approve the expansion of NATO into all the successor states born of the bloody breakup of Yugoslavia?

Or is McCain hijacking U.S. foreign policy on NATO and Russia?

President Trump should tell the Senate: No more admissions to NATO, no more U.S. war guarantees, unless I have recommended or approved them. Foreign policy is made in the White House, not on the Senate floor.

Indeed, what happened to the foreign policy America voted for — rapprochement with Russia, an end to U.S. wars in the Middle East, and having rich allies share more of the cost of their own defense?

ORDER IT NOW

It is U.S., not NATO defense spending that is rising to more than $50 billion this year. And today we learn the Pentagon has drawn up plans for the insertion of 1,000 more U.S. troops into Syria. While the ISIS caliphate seems doomed, this six-year Syrian war is far from over.

An al-Qaida subsidiary, the Nusra Front, has become the most formidable rebel fighting group. Syria’s army, with the backing of Russia, Iran, Hezbollah and Shiite militias from across the Middle East, has carved out most of the territory it needs.

The Turkish army is now in Syria, beside its rebel allies. Their main enemy: Syria’s Kurds, who are America’s allies.

From our longest war, Afghanistan, comes word from U.S. Gen. John Nicholson that we and our Afghan allies are in a “stalemate” with the Taliban, and he will need a “few thousand” more U.S. troops — to augment the 8,500 President Obama left behind when he left office.

Some 5,000 U.S. troops are in Iraq, helping to liberate Mosul from ISIS. In Kabul, Baghdad and Damascus, terrorist bombings are a weekly, if not a daily, occurrence.

Then there is the U.S. troop buildup in Poland and the Baltic, the U.S. deployment of a missile defense to South Korea after multiple missile tests in the North, and Russia and China talking of upgrading their nuclear arsenals to counter U.S. missile defenses in Poland, Romania and South Korea.

In and around the waters of the Persian Gulf, United States warships are harassed by Iranian patrol boats, as Tehran test-fires anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles to send the Americans a message: Attack us and it will not be a cakewalk war.

With the death of Communism, the end of the Cold War, and the collapse of the Bushite New World Order, America needs a new grand strategy, built upon the solid foundation of America First.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of the new book “The Greatest Comeback: How Richard Nixon Rose From Defeat to Create the New Majority.”

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  1. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Cuckaine

    Ignore the dog. See who’s the master.

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  2. Otto von Bismarck has also been quoted as saying the Balkans were not worth the bones of a single Pomeranian grenadier. That was true then and its an order of magnitude truer for American GIs.

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    • Replies: @Ace
    Excellent (fundamental) point.

    Another Capt. Obvious point: We should be supporting Assad in Syria, clearly the best option for that country. All other options involve chaos (the Israeli objective) or al-Qaida (Saudi) filth takeover (the Libyan Option).

    But the ultra-sophisticated US foreign policy - involving the expenditure of billions - is that Assad "must go." Assad the Mad Dog Ophthalmologist.

    Hysteria about Iranian, Russian, and Hezbollah involvement is bogus as they all would have zero forces there had the US not waged aggressive, unconstitutional war on Syria in the first place. Strangely, there's no hysteria whatsoever about Turkish invasion of Syria.

    The Obama foreign policy is in full force. McMaster, Keane, Peters, McFarland, and Bolton are in their element. Ready, fire, aim! And FoxNews at the ready to drink their bathwater.

    More neocon wisdom in service to humanity.
  3. syd.bgd says:

    Mr. Buchanan is wrong again. This statement is simply false:
    “And so it did when the Austrian archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo June 28, 1914 by Serbian ethnonationalist Gavrilo Princip.”
    Gavrilo Princip was no “Serbian etnonationalist” but member of “Young Bosnia”, youth organization devoted to liberation from Austrian occupation (in 1878. conference Austrian-Hungarian empire was given mandate over that Ottoman province, and unilaterally annexed it 1909.) and unification of South Slavs in one state: Yugoslavia. Members were of of three confessions, Roman Catholic, Christian Orthodox and Moslem.
    One of organization’s members, Serbian writer Ivo Andric, born as Roman Catholic in Travnik, Bosnia, was later awarded Nobel Prize for Literature (“Bridge on River Drina” – yes, the very river that separates Bosnia and Serbia).
    More I read Mr. Buchanan’s texts more I see that Americans are simply not capable, and will not be capable, to change their foreign policy, anywhere any time soon. How many times Mr. Putin have to say that dissolution of Yugoslavia, war on Serbia and ousting of Slobodan Miloshevic in the first “colour revolution” successfully executed opened Russian eyes to manners and goals of US foreign policy until someone who publicly writes dare to even think it over again and make some questions?
    It is reasonable to say that Mr. Buchanan has no clue. Not only on that, but not on who Mr. Djukanovic is, what he represents, and why he is so important to people like McCain.

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    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Splitting hairs with the author? Gavrilo Princip was a Serb, first and foremost!
    , @Wizard of Oz
    What was your reason for posting? Surely not to draw attention to a trivial (alleged) error by Mr Buchanan of no significance to anything that matters. And if to draw attention egotistically to yourself it failed for want of any coherent argument rather than your unsupported blustering such as "Mr Buchanan has no clue". So Mr B doesn't know something important about Mr. Djukanovic? But you do? Then please tell us all what we, including PB, should know.
    , @Bill
    How is what you say different from what Buchanan is saying?
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Nicely written crap. Gavrilo with other two were students at university in England,
    They were brainwashed by English secret service.

    Montenegro population has strong affinity to Serbs. That is counterbalanced by CIA shoveling thousands of dollars to politicians.
  4. Wally says:

    Much ado about nothing. McCain has no credibility, in spite of the MSM’s efforts to use him.

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    • Replies: @Simonsays
    McCain is owned. Somebody has got something big on him; so like a puppet attack dog he barks.
  5. And so it did when the Austrian archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo June 28, 1914 by Serbian ethnonationalist Gavrilo Princip.

    Good gawd, Mr B, how can a “premium” historian such as yourself utter such nonsense? It’s trite, simplistic and about the dumbest claim a person could make.

    The war was ready to happen and everyone knew it. Any half significant incident would’ve escalated the hostilities.

    Simply put, the war came because a handful of dipshit knuckleheads in power (as distinct from the people) in Serbia, Russia, France and Britain wanted it. The Great War came (began) long before the deaths in Sarajevo, and to put it any other way just perpetuates the myths and largely exonerates the main evil doers.

    The point is that we’ll never make any progress unless we hold accountable those who are responsible. The hothead Princip was nothing more than a small time tool who continues to take the rap, while the real perps remain unknown and the real causes go unexamined.

    In and around the waters of the Persian Gulf, United States warships are harassed by Iranian patrol boats…

    With all due respect, sir, but are you nuts???? Who’s harassing whom? The very presence of US military ships in Iranian waters constitutes aggressive harassment of Iran by the US.

    Heaven help us.

    PS: McCain needs to be in Guantanamo, and I agree that Rand Paul is correct here.

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    • Replies: @Joe Wong
    McCain should be sent back to Hanoi Hilton.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    "US military ships within Iranian waters". What is your evidence (a few publicised incidents aside) that US ships are regularly operating withinn12 miles of Iranian territory or otherwise within Iranian territorial waters?

    As to your vigorous opinions about the origins of WW1 I note that many redoubtale scholars have written betwee 2012 and 2015 well received books on the events of 2013 and 2014 leading to the war. Do you happen to have published reviews of any of them? It would help to flesh out an assessment of the soundness of your strongly expressed but briefly stated opinions if you could refrr readers to scholarly commentary.
    , @Anonymous
    "largely exonerates the main evil doers."

    Exonerating the main evil doers, primarily the pale faced kind, has always been the reason why the main evil doers get to perform their evil doings. They know fully well there will be a lot of exonerating which follows.
    , @L.K
    Hey Jacques,
    In case you missed, I highly recommend the new book “Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War”, by Scottish historians Gerry Docherty & Jim MacGregor.
    https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-History-Secret-Origins-First/dp/1780576307

    Hidden History uniquely exposes those responsible for World War I. It reveals how accounts of the war's origins have been deliberately falsified to conceal the guilt of the secret cabal of very rich and powerful men in London responsible for the most heinous crime perpetrated on humanity. For 10 years, they plotted the destruction of Germany as the first stage of their plan to take control of the world. The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand was no chance happening. It lit a fuse that had been carefully set through a chain of command stretching from Sarajevo through Belgrade and St. Petersburg to that cabal in London. Our understanding of these events has been firmly trapped in a web of falsehood and duplicity carefully constructed by the victors at Versailles in 1919 and maintained by compliant historians ever since. The official version is fatally flawed, warped by the volume of evidence they destroyed or concealed from public view. Hidden History poses a tantalizing challenge. The authors ask only that you examine the evidence they lay before you.”

     

  6. KenH says:

    “The senator from Kentucky,” said John McCain, speaking of his colleague Rand Paul, “is working for Vladimir Putin … and I do not say that lightly.”

    And the senator from Arizona is working for Bibi Netanyahu and the state of Israel…..and I do not say that lightly. But I forgot that it’s ok to work on behalf of another nation so long as its name is Israel. It’s high treason in every other case.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    Was not McCain Sr. involved in a cover up of USSLiberty "incident?" _ http://america-hijacked.com/2011/09/02/john-mccain-praises-fathers-whitewashing-of-israels-attack-on-the-uss-liberty/ "John McCain Praises Father’s Whitewashing of Israel’s Attack on the USS LIBERTY"

    The senator from Arizona has been also attracted to Ukrainian neo-Nazis: http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/mccain-stands-with-neo-nazis-in-kiev-experts-say-us-fueled-rise/article/374226

    "Sadly, in much of Europe, the word fascism is totally misused. Marine Le Pen is a classic civic nationalist, not a fascist. Geert Wilders is certainly an anti-Muslim bigot, but in no way is the man who is a kind of liberal on steroids, a fascist... The junta regime in Kiev is an openly fascist regime, but even inside EU borders, one sees fascism, literally on the march. Latvia has recently held a march paying tribute to Latvians who fought in Hitler’s Waffen SS. ... It comes as the US perpetually rejects Russian sponsored UN Resolutions condemning the glorification of Nazism. The only other country to join the US in this year after year is predictably, Ukraine, which itself would stand to be condemned for glorifying Nazi collaborators like Stepan Bandera." http://theduran.com/real-fascism-marches-in-europe-while-eu-leaders-look-the-other-way/

    "Several thousand people, including several Latvian lawmakers and nationalists from neighboring Lithuania and Estonia, gathered in central Riga Thursday to mark 'Remembrance Day of the Latvian Legionnaire' –a commemorative event dedicated to the Waffen-SS formations formed by the Nazis in occupied Latvia in 1943." https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703161051652027-latvia-ss-march-commentary/
    The NAZI-glorifying parade has happened just in time to meet NATO's UK & US contingents. What an interesting coincidence: the "liberated" Latvia celebrates its "liberating values" by parading for Nazis - while NATO forces are joining Latvian warriors in defense of "perceived" threat from the East. Let them enjoy the infamy. Jens Stoltenberg is the current Secretary General of the NATO. Non a peep from him re the neo-Nazi parades in Baltic states. Guess, Stoltenberg approves the celebrations.

    , @Z-man
    Bares repeating.
  7. What kind of ass hole votes for McCain? Looking at you Arizona. Lets hear from McCain voters. How do you justify your vote? Do you share his desire for nuclear winter? Are you checking under your bed for Russians before you sleep?

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    • Replies: @Paul C.
    I have to assume Arizona's election was rigged. How is it possible he wins against this woman (in primary) who calls him out for the traitor he is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzV9bjMg2ZU
    , @jacques sheete

    What kind of ass hole votes for McCain?
     
    I keep asking myself that as well. WTF is going on?

    Also, what's his shtick anyway? He's way overdue for residence in some old folk's home. I think there needs to be an age limit for congresscreeps and other riff raff.
  8. @syd.bgd
    Mr. Buchanan is wrong again. This statement is simply false:
    "And so it did when the Austrian archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo June 28, 1914 by Serbian ethnonationalist Gavrilo Princip."
    Gavrilo Princip was no "Serbian etnonationalist" but member of "Young Bosnia", youth organization devoted to liberation from Austrian occupation (in 1878. conference Austrian-Hungarian empire was given mandate over that Ottoman province, and unilaterally annexed it 1909.) and unification of South Slavs in one state: Yugoslavia. Members were of of three confessions, Roman Catholic, Christian Orthodox and Moslem.
    One of organization's members, Serbian writer Ivo Andric, born as Roman Catholic in Travnik, Bosnia, was later awarded Nobel Prize for Literature ("Bridge on River Drina" - yes, the very river that separates Bosnia and Serbia).
    More I read Mr. Buchanan's texts more I see that Americans are simply not capable, and will not be capable, to change their foreign policy, anywhere any time soon. How many times Mr. Putin have to say that dissolution of Yugoslavia, war on Serbia and ousting of Slobodan Miloshevic in the first "colour revolution" successfully executed opened Russian eyes to manners and goals of US foreign policy until someone who publicly writes dare to even think it over again and make some questions?
    It is reasonable to say that Mr. Buchanan has no clue. Not only on that, but not on who Mr. Djukanovic is, what he represents, and why he is so important to people like McCain.

    Splitting hairs with the author? Gavrilo Princip was a Serb, first and foremost!

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    I claim no authority on this, but syd.bgd seems to have made a very interesting and probably valid point.

    Princip was a Bosnian Serb, but perhaps one who wanted a multi-ethnic Slav nation that was independent of the even more multi-ethnic Austrian Empire. At least that is the inference one can make from his statement at his trial for the murder of the heir to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. He said, “I am a Yugoslav nationalist, aiming for the unification of all Yugoslavs, and I do not care what form of state, but it must be freed from Austria.”

    http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/where-it-all-began-i/
     

    In any case, I'd like to hear more from him or her. Sounds like a potential source of interesting views at a minimum.
  9. I guess the ultimate aim is a worldwide absorption of all others into American dominated “NATO” satrapies. They are no more equals than the Warsaw Pact and its guarantor were. The idea is that the greater the American imperium, the more invulnerable the indispensable leader. If you’re not for it, then you’re working for those against it. But as its progenitors warned, we won’t find out for a hundred years, for that is how long they have the continuous warfare slated.

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  10. Renoman says:

    McCain is just a drooling old fool who doesn’t know when to retire, no one listens to him.

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    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Renoman:

    Whether or not anyone listens to McCain is debateable.What is not debateable is the fact that the Main Stream Media gives him unlimited access to the public discourse!
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    no one listens to him.
     
    Saakashvili did. And many still do. Obviously, a significant number of Arizonians still listen to him.
  11. Dan Hayes says:
    @Renoman
    McCain is just a drooling old fool who doesn't know when to retire, no one listens to him.

    Renoman:

    Whether or not anyone listens to McCain is debateable.What is not debateable is the fact that the Main Stream Media gives him unlimited access to the public discourse!

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  12. MEexpert says:

    Actual American tragedy is the demise of diplomacy in the US. The last real diplomat was Secretary of State James Baker. Since then, every Secretary of State has travelled around the world rattling the saber. The latest to do that is Rex Tillerson. This is his statement concerning North Korea.

    “Let me be very clear: the policy of strategic patience has ended. We are exploring a new range of diplomatic, security, economic measures. All options are on the table.”

    Code word, “All options are on the table.” Translation; get ready for a “shock and awe” military operation. That is what they have been saying about Iran and Syria. Tillerson also said that unless North Korea renounces its nuclear program it can expect a military strike. I think North Korea has learnt the lesson from Libya. Ghaddafi gave up his nuclear program and look what happened to him. I think they should abolish the State Department and give that responsibility to the Defense (War) Department. This type of statement will sound better coming from the mouth of a Secretary of Defense and it will also reduce the bureaucracy in Washington, D.C.

    McCain has been meddling in the foreigh policy for a long time. He and his side-kick, Graham, showed up in Syria talking to the rebels. Then he shows up in Ukraine attending the demonstration. He is accusing Vladmir Putin of trying to over throw the democratically elected government of Montenegro. He probably forgot that it was the US who engineered the overthrow of democratically elected government of Ukraine.

    Someone needs to remind Mr. Trump about his promises in the area of foreign policy. He is totally going in the wrong direction from what he said during the campaign. He needs to start acting presidential and forget about the tweeter and fake news. The MSM will never give him a favorable press. Half of his time and energy is wasted in battling the press. It is not healthy for the country or his presidency. He should tell his critics that he won the election and they lost and tell them to live with it and move on.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Surely your translation of "All options are on the table" as code for an intention to attack is at best debatable? Is it not just run of the mill intimidation balanced between outright threat and the creation of uncertainty?

    What "diplomacy" do you see as appropriate to deal with North Korea? (I see it as ineffective unless it is diplomacy with China).

    And how serious are you? Is suggesting handing over State functions to Defense more than frivolity? Do you think Rumsfeld's taking control of the lead up to the Iraq war supports your fantasy?

  13. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Renoman
    McCain is just a drooling old fool who doesn't know when to retire, no one listens to him.

    no one listens to him.

    Saakashvili did. And many still do. Obviously, a significant number of Arizonians still listen to him.

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  14. Paul C. says:
    @WorkingClass
    What kind of ass hole votes for McCain? Looking at you Arizona. Lets hear from McCain voters. How do you justify your vote? Do you share his desire for nuclear winter? Are you checking under your bed for Russians before you sleep?

    I have to assume Arizona’s election was rigged. How is it possible he wins against this woman (in primary) who calls him out for the traitor he is.

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    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Paul C.:

    Unfortunately it wasn't rigged. The Arizona electorate had once again voted for supposed "war hero" McCain.

    Regarding being a war hero, Ron Unz had tried to bring the actual facts to the fore, but unfortunately to no avail!

  15. Ho says:

    the north vietnamese had the right idea.

    LOCK HIM UP!

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    • Replies: @Ho
    In the past, whenever a 'lefty' Senator or Congressperson every tried to negotiate peace, they were always threatened with the Hatch Act (I think) that makes it illegal for anyone beside the President and his administration to conduct foreign policy.

    LOCK HIM UP.

    Put him in an orange jump suit and send him to Gitmo. Odds are, given his past history of making deals with terrorist, he's probably got friends there already.
  16. Ho says:
    @Ho
    the north vietnamese had the right idea.

    LOCK HIM UP!

    In the past, whenever a ‘lefty’ Senator or Congressperson every tried to negotiate peace, they were always threatened with the Hatch Act (I think) that makes it illegal for anyone beside the President and his administration to conduct foreign policy.

    LOCK HIM UP.

    Put him in an orange jump suit and send him to Gitmo. Odds are, given his past history of making deals with terrorist, he’s probably got friends there already.

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    The law against private diplomacy is the Logan Act. The Hatch Act is intended to keep the Federal bureaucracy out of electoral politics, except for casting their own votes. (Plenty of loopholes, and I think it's been weakened in recent years.)
  17. “Well, come on all of you, big strong men,
    Uncle Sam needs your help again.
    He’s got himself in a terrible jam
    Way down yonder in Vietnam, uh, Montenegro
    So put down your books and pick up a gun,
    We’re gonna have a whole lotta fun.

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    And it’s one, two, three,
    What are we fighting for ?
    Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn,
    Next stop is Vietnam, uh, Montenegro;
    And it’s five, six, seven,
    Open up the pearly gates,
    Well there ain’t no time to wonder why,
    Whoopee! we’re all gonna die.

    Come on Wall Street, don’t be slow,
    Why man, this is war au-go-go
    There’s plenty good money to be made
    By supplying the Army with the tools of its trade,
    But just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
    They drop it on the Viet Cong, uh Russians.

    Well, come on generals, let’s move fast;
    Your big chance has come at last.
    Now you can go out and get those reds
    ‘Cause the only good commie is the one that’s dead, uh, even when they aren’t commies anymore
    And you know that peace can only be won
    When we’ve blown ‘em all to kingdom come.

    Come on mothers throughout the land,
    Pack your boys off to Vietnam, uh Montenegro.
    Come on fathers, and don’t hesitate
    To send your sons off before it’s too late.
    And you can be the first ones in your block
    To have your boy come home in a box.

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    • Replies: @chris
    excellent video Joe, Thanks!!!!

    Yeah, that's the level we have to get back to, in order to stop this new aliance of bastards and nutcases.
  18. Hal9001 says:

    @Paul C
    An American election consists of all of us voting in one form or another.
    Then, all of us lose sight of what’s going on, as the political appointees who run the election disappear into a room with a computer. Then, they come out and reveal to us what the computer says are the results of the election.

    With all the focus on the voting machines in the past decade, what everyone has forgotten to look at is the vote counting computers that tell us the results of the election.

    So, its basically the government that comes out and announces the results of the election. These days, does anyone really trust the government?

    After Florida in 2000, I saw someone say how a British election is counted. In the precinct, after the polls close, the dump the ballot boxes out on the table and do a count, in public, of the votes from that precinct. Then, these public counts of paper ballots are phoned in to the regional authority which posts them and tallies them. Anyone who observed the precinct count can make sure the precinct has the right numbers in that regional total.

    How very different that is from ‘go home and turn on the tv and the government will tell you what the computer says are the election results.’

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    • Replies: @Dube
    I thought it astonishing that Al Gore conceded the presidential election (prior to changing his mind) on the basis of projections by TV networks. A man supposed to be of presidential caliber relies on TV pronouncements?
  19. Dan Hayes says:
    @Paul C.
    I have to assume Arizona's election was rigged. How is it possible he wins against this woman (in primary) who calls him out for the traitor he is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzV9bjMg2ZU

    Paul C.:

    Unfortunately it wasn’t rigged. The Arizona electorate had once again voted for supposed “war hero” McCain.

    Regarding being a war hero, Ron Unz had tried to bring the actual facts to the fore, but unfortunately to no avail!

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  20. chris says:
    @Country Joe
    "Well, come on all of you, big strong men,
    Uncle Sam needs your help again.
    He's got himself in a terrible jam
    Way down yonder in Vietnam, uh, Montenegro
    So put down your books and pick up a gun,
    We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.

    And it's one, two, three,
    What are we fighting for ?
    Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
    Next stop is Vietnam, uh, Montenegro;
    And it's five, six, seven,
    Open up the pearly gates,
    Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
    Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

    Come on Wall Street, don't be slow,
    Why man, this is war au-go-go
    There's plenty good money to be made
    By supplying the Army with the tools of its trade,
    But just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
    They drop it on the Viet Cong, uh Russians.

    Well, come on generals, let's move fast;
    Your big chance has come at last.
    Now you can go out and get those reds
    'Cause the only good commie is the one that's dead, uh, even when they aren't commies anymore
    And you know that peace can only be won
    When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.

    Come on mothers throughout the land,
    Pack your boys off to Vietnam, uh Montenegro.
    Come on fathers, and don't hesitate
    To send your sons off before it's too late.
    And you can be the first ones in your block
    To have your boy come home in a box.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7Y0ekr-3So&ytbChannel=ZooSolo%20MoHambone

    excellent video Joe, Thanks!!!!

    Yeah, that’s the level we have to get back to, in order to stop this new aliance of bastards and nutcases.

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  21. annamaria says:
    @KenH

    “The senator from Kentucky,” said John McCain, speaking of his colleague Rand Paul, “is working for Vladimir Putin … and I do not say that lightly.”
     
    And the senator from Arizona is working for Bibi Netanyahu and the state of Israel.....and I do not say that lightly. But I forgot that it's ok to work on behalf of another nation so long as its name is Israel. It's high treason in every other case.

    Was not McCain Sr. involved in a cover up of USSLiberty “incident?” _ http://america-hijacked.com/2011/09/02/john-mccain-praises-fathers-whitewashing-of-israels-attack-on-the-uss-liberty/ “John McCain Praises Father’s Whitewashing of Israel’s Attack on the USS LIBERTY”

    The senator from Arizona has been also attracted to Ukrainian neo-Nazis: http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/mccain-stands-with-neo-nazis-in-kiev-experts-say-us-fueled-rise/article/374226

    “Sadly, in much of Europe, the word fascism is totally misused. Marine Le Pen is a classic civic nationalist, not a fascist. Geert Wilders is certainly an anti-Muslim bigot, but in no way is the man who is a kind of liberal on steroids, a fascist… The junta regime in Kiev is an openly fascist regime, but even inside EU borders, one sees fascism, literally on the march. Latvia has recently held a march paying tribute to Latvians who fought in Hitler’s Waffen SS. … It comes as the US perpetually rejects Russian sponsored UN Resolutions condemning the glorification of Nazism. The only other country to join the US in this year after year is predictably, Ukraine, which itself would stand to be condemned for glorifying Nazi collaborators like Stepan Bandera.” http://theduran.com/real-fascism-marches-in-europe-while-eu-leaders-look-the-other-way/

    “Several thousand people, including several Latvian lawmakers and nationalists from neighboring Lithuania and Estonia, gathered in central Riga Thursday to mark ‘Remembrance Day of the Latvian Legionnaire’ –a commemorative event dedicated to the Waffen-SS formations formed by the Nazis in occupied Latvia in 1943.” https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703161051652027-latvia-ss-march-commentary/
    The NAZI-glorifying parade has happened just in time to meet NATO’s UK & US contingents. What an interesting coincidence: the “liberated” Latvia celebrates its “liberating values” by parading for Nazis – while NATO forces are joining Latvian warriors in defense of “perceived” threat from the East. Let them enjoy the infamy. Jens Stoltenberg is the current Secretary General of the NATO. Non a peep from him re the neo-Nazi parades in Baltic states. Guess, Stoltenberg approves the celebrations.

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    Was not McCain Sr. involved in a cover up of USSLiberty “incident?”
     
    Yes, the McCain's have always had close and warm ties to Israel and the American Jewish community.

    The senator from Arizona has been also attracted to Ukrainian neo-Nazis:
     
    Are you saying that McCain is both a Nazi and philosemite? McCains's support for Ukrainian neo-Nazis or "Ukronazis" is simply his adopting the strategy of the enemy (Ukronazis) of my enemy (Russia) is my friend. Jewish neocons, the Israel lobby and McCain support the Ukronazis since they are fighting Russian separatists and by extension, Russia. They will be cast into the outer darkness once they have served their purpose. Wahhabism/Salafism is hostile to Jews and Judaism, but that doesn't stop Israel from supporting ISIS as a proxy army against Bashar Assad, whom they hate even more and wish to see overthrown and murdered. And as you know there are many smiling photos of the Israeli stooge John McCain with these Wahhabi savages.

    Regarding Latvia, it's very understandable that they have fond memories of the Waffen SS since it was the German army who liberated them from the yoke of Soviet occupation and tyranny by Jewish Bolshevism.
    https://latvianhistory.com/2012/06/14/soviet-mass-deportations-of-14-june-1941/

    , @Ace
    For stark evidence of fascism look no further than European governments' reliance on AntiFa street fighters as unacknowledged auxiliaries and their relentless suppression of free speech.

    Substance is more important than focusing on labels. KenH makes a good point about why Latvians would have a different view of the Germans.

    Affection for Bandera can be understood for the same reason. A first-person German account of combat in Ukraine showed that Ukrainian civilians and German troops developed friendships, as did a German and a Soviet soldier in the night.

    Finns fought with German troops against Soviet troops. Clearly theirs was a righteous war.

    People did not behave then with the knowledge of 70 years into the future or with the knowledge of what was happening everywhere else at the time. And they did not have to ignore relative advantages when available options were less than ideal.

    Mention of the talismanic word "Nazi" does not wipe these experiences or realities from the memory of human beings.
    , @Eagle Eye
    The USS Liberty incident was not really "hushed up" at all - everyone involved knows and agrees that Israeli jets bombed the USS Liberty in the Red Sea. Indeed, Israel has paid compensation to the families of those killed as a result of its "mistake."

    What nobody wants to talk about is WHY tiny Israel would decide, in the middle of a life-and-death war against its Arab neighbors, to have its IDF jets bomb a US Navy intelligence gathering vessel. Evidently, the decision was made at the highest level with heavy hearts.

    WHY would Israel risk losing its biggest ally in the middle of a war? The obvious answer is that Israel learned that intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel's Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.

    Later dealings between Israel and LBJ are consonant with the hypothesis that a faction within the NSA had been passing military intelligence to the Egyptian side.

  22. McCain didn’t just recently morph into a greedy, loathsome coward spouting nonsense.

    He was a privileged, lazy, and reckless dandy – the entitled playboy of a rich and powerful family graduating in the bottom of his class and destroying navy planes – in fact, nearly destroying an aircraft carrier. His first notable act as a politician was the Keating Five savings and loan scandal, and he hasn’t changed his greedy, corrupt self one iota since then. It was somewhat clever to brand himself as a “maverick” in order to camouflage the purpose of his votes, always tied to money and not any fixed principles. Besides money, that is.

    For me though, the cover-up of prisoners of war in Viet Nam marks this man as despicable more than anything else.

    A lot of the establishment is scared stiff that Trump will actually do something about Democrats and Republicans alike who funded and armed ISIS and its variants in order to stuff Gulf State money into their pockets, particularly Saudi Arabia whose state religion is Wahhabi – ie, the ISIS brand. Who knows what other ghastly crimes he has committed, but all these mass murderers point the finger and scream at others (Russia) to divert attention from their own crimes.

    The degree of insanity in this Russia diversion is not a symptom of McCain’s inherent lunacy as it is symptomatic of how terrified he is that the intense white heat of truth might come to shine on his dastardly acts on behalf of the head-chopper Wahhabis and anyone else who lined his pockets for political favors.

    Case in point: Montenegro. On its face, a ridiculous proposition to commit to war over anything concerning Montenegro. Most Americans have never even heard of it, and dozens of individual US cities are larger. The fervor from McCain can only lead to the inference he is being paid to promote them.

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    • Replies: @Craig Morris
    "...nearly destroying an aircraft carrier"

    I can't stand John McCain but this charge is oft repeated baseless nonsense.

  23. Amasius says:

    McCain is just terrible; easily the most loathsome figure in all of American politics.

    It’s remarkable how he hasn’t changed at all his entire adult life. He’ll do anything to survive and make out ahead, whether treasonously collaborating with North Vietnam during the war or shamelessly shilling for Israel and the Neocons today. How can such a “man” (worm) stand himself? What drives a guy to be a dishonorable minion treasonously gutting his own nation with everything he says and does day after day, year after year? 80 years old and still going strong. Apparently it runs in the family, too, with his dad helping to cover up Israel’s attack on the Liberty.

    I so wish Rand Paul had just ripped into him right there on the senate floor. “Okay, Songbird McCain! Hanoi John! I don’t work for Putin, but you sure worked for North Vietnam back in the day! What were you doing meeting with Al-Baghdadi there in Syria, Johnny? You’re the traitor, John, and always have been! Senator from Israel, John McCain!”

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  24. @WorkingClass
    What kind of ass hole votes for McCain? Looking at you Arizona. Lets hear from McCain voters. How do you justify your vote? Do you share his desire for nuclear winter? Are you checking under your bed for Russians before you sleep?

    What kind of ass hole votes for McCain?

    I keep asking myself that as well. WTF is going on?

    Also, what’s his shtick anyway? He’s way overdue for residence in some old folk’s home. I think there needs to be an age limit for congresscreeps and other riff raff.

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    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    "I keep asking myself... W.T.F. is going on?"

    Same here, Jacques!

    In addition, I suggest the following vital question is being ignored by even Mr. Buchanan.

    How can Senator John McCain manage to hijack President Trump's conduct of U.S. foreign policy when Israelis have already done so ?

    Sniveling McCain can not hijack something that's already under remote control!

    "W.T.F. is going on" is right in front of our domestic noses ever since the N.W.O. ground breaking coup which eliminated President J.F.K.

    Thanks!
  25. The NAZI-glorifying parade has happened …What an interesting coincidence: the “liberated” Latvia celebrates its “liberating values” by parading for Nazis – while NATO forces are joining Latvian warriors in defense of “perceived” threat from the East.

    Thank you for pointing out the fact that there are “perceived” threats as opposed to real ones.

    I hope you don’t think it too bumptious of me to expand on that theme and the Nazi one a bit.

    The hysterically and perpetually vilified Nazis at least faced real threats from neighbors and non-neighbors alike, while in marked contrast the USA has never really faced any serious external threat at all.
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    So, before joining the Nazi damning chorus, we Americans need to take a deep breath and remember that much of what we think we know is, like fake news, fake history. Propaganda, really.

    Fortunately, Mr. B has not yet lost it over Nazis and in fact has written some pretty good stuff in their well deserved defense.

    This is from a decent article.:

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    The German-Polish war had come out of a quarrel over… Danzig, [which was] 95 percent German, [and] had been severed from Germany at Versailles in violation of Woodrow Wilson’s principle of self-determination. Even British leaders thought Danzig should be returned.

    …Was Danzig worth a war? Unlike the 7 million Hong Kongese whom the British surrendered to Beijing, who didn’t want to go, the Danzigers were clamoring to return to Germany. [As were several other populations in countries surrounding Germany.]

    {JS adds a note: Lincoln went to war to force the South back into the union; why was Hitler dmaned for daring to annex German territory peacefully?}

    http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068

    Here’s a superb (but ~8000 word) article that fills in the details and completely debunks the standard historical garbage we’ve all been taught. Also, note that the author was Jewish.

    … Taylor [says] Germany and Hitler were not uniquely guilty of launching World War II (indeed they were scarcely guilty at all); Hitler was not bent on world conquest…Hitler, in brief, (in foreign affairs) was not a uniquely evil monster or daimon…

    Hitler was a rational German statesman, pursuing — with considerable intuitive insight — a traditional, post-Versailles German policy (to which we might add intimations of desires to expand eastward in an attack on Bolshevism). …he was a German intent, like all Germans, on revising the intolerable and stupid Versailles-diktat, and on doing so by peaceful means, and in collaboration with the British and French.

    One thing is sure: Hitler had no designs, no plans…to expand westward against Britain and France (let alone the United States). Hitler admired the British Empire and wished to collaborate with it. Not only did Hitler do this with insight, he did it with patience


    … the Germans were morally right…

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/03/murray-n-rothbard/origins-2nd-world-war/

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  26. Joe Wong says:
    @Anon
    Cuckaine

    Ignore the dog. See who's the master.

    USA must limits the terms of the Congress and ban private funding in elections if the Americans want democracy instead of a oligarchy Orwellian police state.

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  27. Joe Wong says:
    @jacques sheete

    And so it did when the Austrian archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo June 28, 1914 by Serbian ethnonationalist Gavrilo Princip.
     
    Good gawd, Mr B, how can a "premium" historian such as yourself utter such nonsense? It's trite, simplistic and about the dumbest claim a person could make.

    The war was ready to happen and everyone knew it. Any half significant incident would've escalated the hostilities.

    Simply put, the war came because a handful of dipshit knuckleheads in power (as distinct from the people) in Serbia, Russia, France and Britain wanted it. The Great War came (began) long before the deaths in Sarajevo, and to put it any other way just perpetuates the myths and largely exonerates the main evil doers.

    The point is that we'll never make any progress unless we hold accountable those who are responsible. The hothead Princip was nothing more than a small time tool who continues to take the rap, while the real perps remain unknown and the real causes go unexamined.


    In and around the waters of the Persian Gulf, United States warships are harassed by Iranian patrol boats...
     
    With all due respect, sir, but are you nuts???? Who's harassing whom? The very presence of US military ships in Iranian waters constitutes aggressive harassment of Iran by the US.

    Heaven help us.

    PS: McCain needs to be in Guantanamo, and I agree that Rand Paul is correct here.

    McCain should be sent back to Hanoi Hilton.

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    • Replies: @Biff

    McCain should be sent back to Hanoi Hilton.
     
    I've been to the Hanoi Hilton, and the have McCains flight suit displayed in a glass case. He was a little man back then, and only his head and mouth got bigger.
    Sang like bird to get the comfy pillows!
  28. Agent76 says:

    Dec 1, 2011 John Mccain Exposed By Vietnam Vets And Pow’s

    September 06, 2013 Senator John McCain, Foreign Relations “Adviser” to Al Qaeda Death Squads in Syria

    Senator John McCain is a criminal who provided support to terrorist groups. He belongs in jail, not in the US Senate. And certainly not in the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations which has granted Obama the “Green Light” to bomb Syria.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/senator-john-mccain-foreign-relations-adviser-to-al-qaeda-death-squads-in-syria/5348383

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  29. KenH says:
    @annamaria
    Was not McCain Sr. involved in a cover up of USSLiberty "incident?" _ http://america-hijacked.com/2011/09/02/john-mccain-praises-fathers-whitewashing-of-israels-attack-on-the-uss-liberty/ "John McCain Praises Father’s Whitewashing of Israel’s Attack on the USS LIBERTY"

    The senator from Arizona has been also attracted to Ukrainian neo-Nazis: http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/mccain-stands-with-neo-nazis-in-kiev-experts-say-us-fueled-rise/article/374226

    "Sadly, in much of Europe, the word fascism is totally misused. Marine Le Pen is a classic civic nationalist, not a fascist. Geert Wilders is certainly an anti-Muslim bigot, but in no way is the man who is a kind of liberal on steroids, a fascist... The junta regime in Kiev is an openly fascist regime, but even inside EU borders, one sees fascism, literally on the march. Latvia has recently held a march paying tribute to Latvians who fought in Hitler’s Waffen SS. ... It comes as the US perpetually rejects Russian sponsored UN Resolutions condemning the glorification of Nazism. The only other country to join the US in this year after year is predictably, Ukraine, which itself would stand to be condemned for glorifying Nazi collaborators like Stepan Bandera." http://theduran.com/real-fascism-marches-in-europe-while-eu-leaders-look-the-other-way/

    "Several thousand people, including several Latvian lawmakers and nationalists from neighboring Lithuania and Estonia, gathered in central Riga Thursday to mark 'Remembrance Day of the Latvian Legionnaire' –a commemorative event dedicated to the Waffen-SS formations formed by the Nazis in occupied Latvia in 1943." https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703161051652027-latvia-ss-march-commentary/
    The NAZI-glorifying parade has happened just in time to meet NATO's UK & US contingents. What an interesting coincidence: the "liberated" Latvia celebrates its "liberating values" by parading for Nazis - while NATO forces are joining Latvian warriors in defense of "perceived" threat from the East. Let them enjoy the infamy. Jens Stoltenberg is the current Secretary General of the NATO. Non a peep from him re the neo-Nazi parades in Baltic states. Guess, Stoltenberg approves the celebrations.

    Was not McCain Sr. involved in a cover up of USSLiberty “incident?”

    Yes, the McCain’s have always had close and warm ties to Israel and the American Jewish community.

    The senator from Arizona has been also attracted to Ukrainian neo-Nazis:

    Are you saying that McCain is both a Nazi and philosemite? McCains’s support for Ukrainian neo-Nazis or “Ukronazis” is simply his adopting the strategy of the enemy (Ukronazis) of my enemy (Russia) is my friend. Jewish neocons, the Israel lobby and McCain support the Ukronazis since they are fighting Russian separatists and by extension, Russia. They will be cast into the outer darkness once they have served their purpose. Wahhabism/Salafism is hostile to Jews and Judaism, but that doesn’t stop Israel from supporting ISIS as a proxy army against Bashar Assad, whom they hate even more and wish to see overthrown and murdered. And as you know there are many smiling photos of the Israeli stooge John McCain with these Wahhabi savages.

    Regarding Latvia, it’s very understandable that they have fond memories of the Waffen SS since it was the German army who liberated them from the yoke of Soviet occupation and tyranny by Jewish Bolshevism.

    https://latvianhistory.com/2012/06/14/soviet-mass-deportations-of-14-june-1941/

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  30. The jury seems to be in.

    McCain is a main poster boy for what’s long been wrong with the USA. I don’t really care if it ever is great again, but it certainly will never be if he’s one of the faces we present to the world.

    Too bad Old Songbird isn’t still missing in Vietnam. Damn.

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  31. Hibernian says:
    @Ho
    In the past, whenever a 'lefty' Senator or Congressperson every tried to negotiate peace, they were always threatened with the Hatch Act (I think) that makes it illegal for anyone beside the President and his administration to conduct foreign policy.

    LOCK HIM UP.

    Put him in an orange jump suit and send him to Gitmo. Odds are, given his past history of making deals with terrorist, he's probably got friends there already.

    The law against private diplomacy is the Logan Act. The Hatch Act is intended to keep the Federal bureaucracy out of electoral politics, except for casting their own votes. (Plenty of loopholes, and I think it’s been weakened in recent years.)

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  32. Jihad (John) McCain may be good or bad.

    Remember, he was democratically elected.

    One deserves what one gets.

    It is amazing to see how imbecilic are the majority of Arizonans!

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    Do Arizonians have any idea that McCain speaks in one voice with neo-Nazis?
    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/03/ukraines-neo-nazis-join-forces-part-2.html
    "The common manifesto of the new alliance between three of Ukraine’s neo-Nazi forces, Svoboda, Azov, and Right Sector, deserves attention. The demand to sever diplomatic and all other relations with Russia is the basic point of the alliance’s program..."
  33. @syd.bgd
    Mr. Buchanan is wrong again. This statement is simply false:
    "And so it did when the Austrian archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo June 28, 1914 by Serbian ethnonationalist Gavrilo Princip."
    Gavrilo Princip was no "Serbian etnonationalist" but member of "Young Bosnia", youth organization devoted to liberation from Austrian occupation (in 1878. conference Austrian-Hungarian empire was given mandate over that Ottoman province, and unilaterally annexed it 1909.) and unification of South Slavs in one state: Yugoslavia. Members were of of three confessions, Roman Catholic, Christian Orthodox and Moslem.
    One of organization's members, Serbian writer Ivo Andric, born as Roman Catholic in Travnik, Bosnia, was later awarded Nobel Prize for Literature ("Bridge on River Drina" - yes, the very river that separates Bosnia and Serbia).
    More I read Mr. Buchanan's texts more I see that Americans are simply not capable, and will not be capable, to change their foreign policy, anywhere any time soon. How many times Mr. Putin have to say that dissolution of Yugoslavia, war on Serbia and ousting of Slobodan Miloshevic in the first "colour revolution" successfully executed opened Russian eyes to manners and goals of US foreign policy until someone who publicly writes dare to even think it over again and make some questions?
    It is reasonable to say that Mr. Buchanan has no clue. Not only on that, but not on who Mr. Djukanovic is, what he represents, and why he is so important to people like McCain.

    What was your reason for posting? Surely not to draw attention to a trivial (alleged) error by Mr Buchanan of no significance to anything that matters. And if to draw attention egotistically to yourself it failed for want of any coherent argument rather than your unsupported blustering such as “Mr Buchanan has no clue”. So Mr B doesn’t know something important about Mr. Djukanovic? But you do? Then please tell us all what we, including PB, should know.

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  34. Bill says:
    @syd.bgd
    Mr. Buchanan is wrong again. This statement is simply false:
    "And so it did when the Austrian archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo June 28, 1914 by Serbian ethnonationalist Gavrilo Princip."
    Gavrilo Princip was no "Serbian etnonationalist" but member of "Young Bosnia", youth organization devoted to liberation from Austrian occupation (in 1878. conference Austrian-Hungarian empire was given mandate over that Ottoman province, and unilaterally annexed it 1909.) and unification of South Slavs in one state: Yugoslavia. Members were of of three confessions, Roman Catholic, Christian Orthodox and Moslem.
    One of organization's members, Serbian writer Ivo Andric, born as Roman Catholic in Travnik, Bosnia, was later awarded Nobel Prize for Literature ("Bridge on River Drina" - yes, the very river that separates Bosnia and Serbia).
    More I read Mr. Buchanan's texts more I see that Americans are simply not capable, and will not be capable, to change their foreign policy, anywhere any time soon. How many times Mr. Putin have to say that dissolution of Yugoslavia, war on Serbia and ousting of Slobodan Miloshevic in the first "colour revolution" successfully executed opened Russian eyes to manners and goals of US foreign policy until someone who publicly writes dare to even think it over again and make some questions?
    It is reasonable to say that Mr. Buchanan has no clue. Not only on that, but not on who Mr. Djukanovic is, what he represents, and why he is so important to people like McCain.

    How is what you say different from what Buchanan is saying?

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  35. @jacques sheete

    And so it did when the Austrian archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo June 28, 1914 by Serbian ethnonationalist Gavrilo Princip.
     
    Good gawd, Mr B, how can a "premium" historian such as yourself utter such nonsense? It's trite, simplistic and about the dumbest claim a person could make.

    The war was ready to happen and everyone knew it. Any half significant incident would've escalated the hostilities.

    Simply put, the war came because a handful of dipshit knuckleheads in power (as distinct from the people) in Serbia, Russia, France and Britain wanted it. The Great War came (began) long before the deaths in Sarajevo, and to put it any other way just perpetuates the myths and largely exonerates the main evil doers.

    The point is that we'll never make any progress unless we hold accountable those who are responsible. The hothead Princip was nothing more than a small time tool who continues to take the rap, while the real perps remain unknown and the real causes go unexamined.


    In and around the waters of the Persian Gulf, United States warships are harassed by Iranian patrol boats...
     
    With all due respect, sir, but are you nuts???? Who's harassing whom? The very presence of US military ships in Iranian waters constitutes aggressive harassment of Iran by the US.

    Heaven help us.

    PS: McCain needs to be in Guantanamo, and I agree that Rand Paul is correct here.

    “US military ships within Iranian waters”. What is your evidence (a few publicised incidents aside) that US ships are regularly operating withinn12 miles of Iranian territory or otherwise within Iranian territorial waters?

    As to your vigorous opinions about the origins of WW1 I note that many redoubtale scholars have written betwee 2012 and 2015 well received books on the events of 2013 and 2014 leading to the war. Do you happen to have published reviews of any of them? It would help to flesh out an assessment of the soundness of your strongly expressed but briefly stated opinions if you could refrr readers to scholarly commentary.

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  36. @syd.bgd
    Mr. Buchanan is wrong again. This statement is simply false:
    "And so it did when the Austrian archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo June 28, 1914 by Serbian ethnonationalist Gavrilo Princip."
    Gavrilo Princip was no "Serbian etnonationalist" but member of "Young Bosnia", youth organization devoted to liberation from Austrian occupation (in 1878. conference Austrian-Hungarian empire was given mandate over that Ottoman province, and unilaterally annexed it 1909.) and unification of South Slavs in one state: Yugoslavia. Members were of of three confessions, Roman Catholic, Christian Orthodox and Moslem.
    One of organization's members, Serbian writer Ivo Andric, born as Roman Catholic in Travnik, Bosnia, was later awarded Nobel Prize for Literature ("Bridge on River Drina" - yes, the very river that separates Bosnia and Serbia).
    More I read Mr. Buchanan's texts more I see that Americans are simply not capable, and will not be capable, to change their foreign policy, anywhere any time soon. How many times Mr. Putin have to say that dissolution of Yugoslavia, war on Serbia and ousting of Slobodan Miloshevic in the first "colour revolution" successfully executed opened Russian eyes to manners and goals of US foreign policy until someone who publicly writes dare to even think it over again and make some questions?
    It is reasonable to say that Mr. Buchanan has no clue. Not only on that, but not on who Mr. Djukanovic is, what he represents, and why he is so important to people like McCain.

    Nicely written crap. Gavrilo with other two were students at university in England,
    They were brainwashed by English secret service.

    Montenegro population has strong affinity to Serbs. That is counterbalanced by CIA shoveling thousands of dollars to politicians.

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    Since you confuse the secret service (MI5) with the MI6, the Secret Intelligence Servicewithout recognising that MI5 was a counter intelligence/internal security agency I presume that all your factual assertions are at best dubious.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Granted Montenegro has strong affinities with Serbs and Serbia but why would US/CIA be sufficiently anti-Serb in 2017 to care one way or the other about Montenegro-Serbia relations?

    Is it supposed to be something to do with Russia having a lot of malign influence in Serbia? What's the current story?
  37. Ben Frank says:

    Benedict Arnold, Tokyo Rose, Julius Rosenberg, John Walker Jr., Robert Hanssen , Aldrich Ames, John McCain.

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    Benedict Arnold, Tokyo Rose, Julius Rosenberg, John Walker Jr., Robert Hanssen , Aldrich Ames, John McCain.
     
    Jonathan Pollard.
    , @Che Guava
    You do know that Tokyo Rose was not a unique person? It was a collective name. In any case, the most famous one ended up as a quiet shopkeeper in the US for many years.
  38. @MEexpert
    Actual American tragedy is the demise of diplomacy in the US. The last real diplomat was Secretary of State James Baker. Since then, every Secretary of State has travelled around the world rattling the saber. The latest to do that is Rex Tillerson. This is his statement concerning North Korea.

    “Let me be very clear: the policy of strategic patience has ended. We are exploring a new range of diplomatic, security, economic measures. All options are on the table.”
     
    Code word, "All options are on the table." Translation; get ready for a "shock and awe" military operation. That is what they have been saying about Iran and Syria. Tillerson also said that unless North Korea renounces its nuclear program it can expect a military strike. I think North Korea has learnt the lesson from Libya. Ghaddafi gave up his nuclear program and look what happened to him. I think they should abolish the State Department and give that responsibility to the Defense (War) Department. This type of statement will sound better coming from the mouth of a Secretary of Defense and it will also reduce the bureaucracy in Washington, D.C.

    McCain has been meddling in the foreigh policy for a long time. He and his side-kick, Graham, showed up in Syria talking to the rebels. Then he shows up in Ukraine attending the demonstration. He is accusing Vladmir Putin of trying to over throw the democratically elected government of Montenegro. He probably forgot that it was the US who engineered the overthrow of democratically elected government of Ukraine.

    Someone needs to remind Mr. Trump about his promises in the area of foreign policy. He is totally going in the wrong direction from what he said during the campaign. He needs to start acting presidential and forget about the tweeter and fake news. The MSM will never give him a favorable press. Half of his time and energy is wasted in battling the press. It is not healthy for the country or his presidency. He should tell his critics that he won the election and they lost and tell them to live with it and move on.

    Surely your translation of “All options are on the table” as code for an intention to attack is at best debatable? Is it not just run of the mill intimidation balanced between outright threat and the creation of uncertainty?

    What “diplomacy” do you see as appropriate to deal with North Korea? (I see it as ineffective unless it is diplomacy with China).

    And how serious are you? Is suggesting handing over State functions to Defense more than frivolity? Do you think Rumsfeld’s taking control of the lead up to the Iraq war supports your fantasy?

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    And how serious are you? Is suggesting handing over State functions to Defense more than frivolity? Do you think Rumsfeld’s taking control of the lead up to the Iraq war supports your fantasy?
     
    You missed the point. My point was that Since Bill Clinton's presidency, every Secretary of State has been threating countries around the world of upcoming wars if they didn't tow the US line. There are diplomatic ways of doing even this unpleasant task. Threatening about the war is Secretary of Defense's purview. General Mattis could have said the same thing that Rex Tillerson said.

    Surely your translation of “All options are on the table” as code for an intention to attack is at best debatable?
     
    When the President, the Vice President, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, and the UN Ambassador repeats this mantra, I think we are way passed the debating stage.
  39. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Nicely written crap. Gavrilo with other two were students at university in England,
    They were brainwashed by English secret service.

    Montenegro population has strong affinity to Serbs. That is counterbalanced by CIA shoveling thousands of dollars to politicians.

    Since you confuse the secret service (MI5) with the MI6, the Secret Intelligence Servicewithout recognising that MI5 was a counter intelligence/internal security agency I presume that all your factual assertions are at best dubious.

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    What you have written is totally irrelevant. Who cares what was called the English worldwide mischief agency. Obviously your pedantry forever block you ever see the outlines of the picture.
    or like the saying goes: Because of the trees you cant see the forest.
    (Obviously what I have just written you cannot find on Wikipedia.)
  40. @jacques sheete

    What kind of ass hole votes for McCain?
     
    I keep asking myself that as well. WTF is going on?

    Also, what's his shtick anyway? He's way overdue for residence in some old folk's home. I think there needs to be an age limit for congresscreeps and other riff raff.

    “I keep asking myself… W.T.F. is going on?”

    Same here, Jacques!

    In addition, I suggest the following vital question is being ignored by even Mr. Buchanan.

    How can Senator John McCain manage to hijack President Trump’s conduct of U.S. foreign policy when Israelis have already done so ?

    Sniveling McCain can not hijack something that’s already under remote control!

    “W.T.F. is going on” is right in front of our domestic noses ever since the N.W.O. ground breaking coup which eliminated President J.F.K.

    Thanks!

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  41. Forget “no more admissions into NATO”. How about no more NATO?

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    yaqub the mad scientist says:

    Forget “no more admissions into NATO”. How about no more NATO?
     
    Perfectly said! NATO must be DISMANTLED, abolished.
    It is a key element for ZUSA's Imperialism, it needs to go! More folks need to realize this basic fact.
  42. Z-man says:
    @KenH

    “The senator from Kentucky,” said John McCain, speaking of his colleague Rand Paul, “is working for Vladimir Putin … and I do not say that lightly.”
     
    And the senator from Arizona is working for Bibi Netanyahu and the state of Israel.....and I do not say that lightly. But I forgot that it's ok to work on behalf of another nation so long as its name is Israel. It's high treason in every other case.

    Bares repeating.

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  43. geokat62 says:
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    Panic!
    "The West’s sights are now clearly set on Iran:" https://www.rt.com/op-edge/381243-iran-mosul-iraq-us-trump/
    "According to the Guardian, the territory west of Mosul that is currently being secured by the Iranian-backed Popular Mobilization forces is one of the final pieces of a jigsaw completing an arc of influence stretching all the way from Tehran to the Mediterranean. Such a ‘land bridge’ to the Mediterranean would significantly strengthen Iran’s independence and ability to withstand, for example, any future blockades or sieges. This is making Western planners particularly nervous, as it significantly weakens the West’s ability to control and corral the Iranians... Forbes, meanwhile, wrote that “Iranian influence in Iraq has the potential to destabilize global oil policy and the global oil market” given that the two countries combined oil reserves almost equal those of Saudi Arabia.
    For here, as ever, lies the empire’s real fear - that the people of the Middle East might actually gain control over their own resources, and start using them strategically for their own development. Genuine independence has always been the fear of the region’s British, US and Israeli overlords. And Iran’s potential makes this independence a greater threat than most.
    ...the US has been sending large numbers of US troops to Iran’s neighbors in recent weeks. The initial deployment of 500 US troops in Syria was followed on March 9 by a further 400, with the Washington Post announcing on March 15 that another 1,000 are on the way. These are just part of a massive flotilla of almost 5,000 US soldiers currently en route to the region, with troops from Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the UAE also being considered. This was revealed just one day after Trump met Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman at the White House, following meetings earlier in the week between Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and the foreign ministers of both Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. ... The real reason is to cement US influence and confront the Iranians. This is the US ground invasion which the 'Gulfis' have been calling for for years."
    Interesting, what kind of verbiage the State Dept (guided by ziocons) is going to use for Iran: would it be a democracy on the march or a color revolution against "corruption and tyranny." There is also a contortionists task of explaining the greater "unification" between the US and Saudis (9/11 anybody?)
  44. @Ben Frank
    Benedict Arnold, Tokyo Rose, Julius Rosenberg, John Walker Jr., Robert Hanssen , Aldrich Ames, John McCain.

    Benedict Arnold, Tokyo Rose, Julius Rosenberg, John Walker Jr., Robert Hanssen , Aldrich Ames, John McCain.

    Jonathan Pollard.

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  45. L.K says:
    @yaqub the mad scientist
    Forget "no more admissions into NATO". How about no more NATO?

    yaqub the mad scientist says:

    Forget “no more admissions into NATO”. How about no more NATO?

    Perfectly said! NATO must be DISMANTLED, abolished.
    It is a key element for ZUSA’s Imperialism, it needs to go! More folks need to realize this basic fact.

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  46. L.K says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    "I keep asking myself... W.T.F. is going on?"

    Same here, Jacques!

    In addition, I suggest the following vital question is being ignored by even Mr. Buchanan.

    How can Senator John McCain manage to hijack President Trump's conduct of U.S. foreign policy when Israelis have already done so ?

    Sniveling McCain can not hijack something that's already under remote control!

    "W.T.F. is going on" is right in front of our domestic noses ever since the N.W.O. ground breaking coup which eliminated President J.F.K.

    Thanks!

    Well said, Chuck!

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    Hey L.K.,

    Pat Buchanan -- author of the excellent "Churchill, Hitler, and The Unnecessary War" -- could have said what I said with much more finesse, power, & influence than me.

    To my recollection, in the book (above), Mr. Buchanan discussed the criminal April 3003 sacking of Iraq, but he did not talk about the late 2001 W. Bush administration's hokey Afghanistan attack. I cherish his book, but to this day, I wonder why the neglect?

    Today, a valuable follow up can be written by P.B. and called, "Ariel Sharon, W. Bush and the Unnecessary U.S. War of Terror Against the Taliban."

    Thank you!
  47. annamaria says:
    @geokat62
    Israel only country to escape proposed State Department budget cuts

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-only-country-to-escape-proposed-state-department-budget-cuts/ar-BBydDCt?li=AA4Zpp&ocid=spartanntp

    Panic!
    “The West’s sights are now clearly set on Iran:” https://www.rt.com/op-edge/381243-iran-mosul-iraq-us-trump/
    “According to the Guardian, the territory west of Mosul that is currently being secured by the Iranian-backed Popular Mobilization forces is one of the final pieces of a jigsaw completing an arc of influence stretching all the way from Tehran to the Mediterranean. Such a ‘land bridge’ to the Mediterranean would significantly strengthen Iran’s independence and ability to withstand, for example, any future blockades or sieges. This is making Western planners particularly nervous, as it significantly weakens the West’s ability to control and corral the Iranians… Forbes, meanwhile, wrote that “Iranian influence in Iraq has the potential to destabilize global oil policy and the global oil market” given that the two countries combined oil reserves almost equal those of Saudi Arabia.
    For here, as ever, lies the empire’s real fear – that the people of the Middle East might actually gain control over their own resources, and start using them strategically for their own development. Genuine independence has always been the fear of the region’s British, US and Israeli overlords. And Iran’s potential makes this independence a greater threat than most.
    …the US has been sending large numbers of US troops to Iran’s neighbors in recent weeks. The initial deployment of 500 US troops in Syria was followed on March 9 by a further 400, with the Washington Post announcing on March 15 that another 1,000 are on the way. These are just part of a massive flotilla of almost 5,000 US soldiers currently en route to the region, with troops from Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the UAE also being considered. This was revealed just one day after Trump met Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman at the White House, following meetings earlier in the week between Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and the foreign ministers of both Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. … The real reason is to cement US influence and confront the Iranians. This is the US ground invasion which the ‘Gulfis’ have been calling for for years.”
    Interesting, what kind of verbiage the State Dept (guided by ziocons) is going to use for Iran: would it be a democracy on the march or a color revolution against “corruption and tyranny.” There is also a contortionists task of explaining the greater “unification” between the US and Saudis (9/11 anybody?)

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  48. Biff says:
    @Joe Wong
    McCain should be sent back to Hanoi Hilton.

    McCain should be sent back to Hanoi Hilton.

    I’ve been to the Hanoi Hilton, and the have McCains flight suit displayed in a glass case. He was a little man back then, and only his head and mouth got bigger.
    Sang like bird to get the comfy pillows!

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    [McCain] sang like bird to get the comfy pillows!
     
    Apparently, the North Vietnamese ensured that McCain would not feel lonely on his comfy pillows.
  49. annamaria says:
    @Thales the Milesian
    Jihad (John) McCain may be good or bad.

    Remember, he was democratically elected.

    One deserves what one gets.

    It is amazing to see how imbecilic are the majority of Arizonans!

    Do Arizonians have any idea that McCain speaks in one voice with neo-Nazis?

    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/03/ukraines-neo-nazis-join-forces-part-2.html

    “The common manifesto of the new alliance between three of Ukraine’s neo-Nazi forces, Svoboda, Azov, and Right Sector, deserves attention. The demand to sever diplomatic and all other relations with Russia is the basic point of the alliance’s program…”

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  50. On second thought, maybe McCain should hijack Trump’s foreign policy.

    I didn’t think it was possible for the Trumpster to be a bigger asshole than Ol Songbird.

    Both are nuts, but Trump is likely worse!!! How can that be????

    “And today Trump tweeted: “Germany owes vast sums of money to NATO & the United States must be paid more for the powerful, and very expensive, defence it provides to Germany!”

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3121891/donald-trump-germany-angela-merkel-nato-spending/

    I hope Merkel has enough brains to cozy up to Putin and tells Trumpster to ram his missiles and other military toys up his own (______).

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  51. @L.K
    Well said, Chuck!

    Hey L.K.,

    Pat Buchanan — author of the excellent “Churchill, Hitler, and The Unnecessary War” — could have said what I said with much more finesse, power, & influence than me.

    To my recollection, in the book (above), Mr. Buchanan discussed the criminal April 3003 sacking of Iraq, but he did not talk about the late 2001 W. Bush administration’s hokey Afghanistan attack. I cherish his book, but to this day, I wonder why the neglect?

    Today, a valuable follow up can be written by P.B. and called, “Ariel Sharon, W. Bush and the Unnecessary U.S. War of Terror Against the Taliban.”

    Thank you!

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    Hey Chuck,
    Your absolutely right. In fact, as we now know, the invasion of Afghanistan was planned prior to 9-11, which served as the pretext for it and, as we both know, was not carried out by BL & co.
    Don't expect P.Buchanan to go there as there are clearly limits to what he is willing to admit to in terms of zamerican criminality.
    For example, Buchanan annoys the hell out of me with his comments about how European NATO members 'use' ZUSA to pay for their 'security'. This is nonsense as NATO is, in fact, a key instrument of zamerican Imperialism...
    Best regards
  52. @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Splitting hairs with the author? Gavrilo Princip was a Serb, first and foremost!

    I claim no authority on this, but syd.bgd seems to have made a very interesting and probably valid point.

    Princip was a Bosnian Serb, but perhaps one who wanted a multi-ethnic Slav nation that was independent of the even more multi-ethnic Austrian Empire. At least that is the inference one can make from his statement at his trial for the murder of the heir to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. He said, “I am a Yugoslav nationalist, aiming for the unification of all Yugoslavs, and I do not care what form of state, but it must be freed from Austria.”

    http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/where-it-all-began-i/

    In any case, I’d like to hear more from him or her. Sounds like a potential source of interesting views at a minimum.

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    Either way, Princip wanted Bosnia to be ruled from Belgrade (in Serbia), not Vienna. No use splitting hairs here.

    WW1 was a shyt show.
  53. Agent76 says:

    Feb 28, 2017 John McCain’s Dirty Little Secret Just Got Exposed

    Will this finally be the thing that brings down Senator John McCain? Not sure, but it definitely makes him squirm more than anything I’ve ever seen in my life.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    I have absolutely no dog in this fight but got slightly interested in McCain after Ron Unz raised questions about him. I am not impressed by this latest chipping away at him. Ability to read people's body language and facial expressions has been shown to be something people hugely over rate. (McCain looked tired to me, and maybe recovering from a heavy cold).

    More generally it is amusing that questions like that about the donation can never be answered with an obvious truth (in many cases true anyway) that the politician with a charitable foundation is happy to enjoy the benefit of a donor imagining he has bought some real influence when nothing has been bought but a small amount of face to face time or the politician actually taking a telephone call. No doubt much fostering of false cause-and-effect connections takes place subtly too.

  54. @Backwoods Bob
    McCain didn't just recently morph into a greedy, loathsome coward spouting nonsense.

    He was a privileged, lazy, and reckless dandy - the entitled playboy of a rich and powerful family graduating in the bottom of his class and destroying navy planes - in fact, nearly destroying an aircraft carrier. His first notable act as a politician was the Keating Five savings and loan scandal, and he hasn't changed his greedy, corrupt self one iota since then. It was somewhat clever to brand himself as a "maverick" in order to camouflage the purpose of his votes, always tied to money and not any fixed principles. Besides money, that is.

    For me though, the cover-up of prisoners of war in Viet Nam marks this man as despicable more than anything else.

    A lot of the establishment is scared stiff that Trump will actually do something about Democrats and Republicans alike who funded and armed ISIS and its variants in order to stuff Gulf State money into their pockets, particularly Saudi Arabia whose state religion is Wahhabi - ie, the ISIS brand. Who knows what other ghastly crimes he has committed, but all these mass murderers point the finger and scream at others (Russia) to divert attention from their own crimes.

    The degree of insanity in this Russia diversion is not a symptom of McCain's inherent lunacy as it is symptomatic of how terrified he is that the intense white heat of truth might come to shine on his dastardly acts on behalf of the head-chopper Wahhabis and anyone else who lined his pockets for political favors.

    Case in point: Montenegro. On its face, a ridiculous proposition to commit to war over anything concerning Montenegro. Most Americans have never even heard of it, and dozens of individual US cities are larger. The fervor from McCain can only lead to the inference he is being paid to promote them.

    “…nearly destroying an aircraft carrier”

    I can’t stand John McCain but this charge is oft repeated baseless nonsense.

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  55. @Wizard of Oz
    Since you confuse the secret service (MI5) with the MI6, the Secret Intelligence Servicewithout recognising that MI5 was a counter intelligence/internal security agency I presume that all your factual assertions are at best dubious.

    What you have written is totally irrelevant. Who cares what was called the English worldwide mischief agency. Obviously your pedantry forever block you ever see the outlines of the picture.
    or like the saying goes: Because of the trees you cant see the forest.
    (Obviously what I have just written you cannot find on Wikipedia.)

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  56. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Nicely written crap. Gavrilo with other two were students at university in England,
    They were brainwashed by English secret service.

    Montenegro population has strong affinity to Serbs. That is counterbalanced by CIA shoveling thousands of dollars to politicians.

    Granted Montenegro has strong affinities with Serbs and Serbia but why would US/CIA be sufficiently anti-Serb in 2017 to care one way or the other about Montenegro-Serbia relations?

    Is it supposed to be something to do with Russia having a lot of malign influence in Serbia? What’s the current story?

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    None of it has anything to do with anything rational.

    It's a bunch of too rich, bored, useless fools looking for a little excitement by screwing around with people. Since they're apparently incapable of conceiving of useful things to do, they opt for crackpot behavior.

    It probably gives 'em a thrill similar to what nasty kids do when they torture animals.
  57. @Agent76
    Feb 28, 2017 John McCain's Dirty Little Secret Just Got Exposed

    Will this finally be the thing that brings down Senator John McCain? Not sure, but it definitely makes him squirm more than anything I've ever seen in my life.

    https://youtu.be/ZtUBgLfKOwU

    I have absolutely no dog in this fight but got slightly interested in McCain after Ron Unz raised questions about him. I am not impressed by this latest chipping away at him. Ability to read people’s body language and facial expressions has been shown to be something people hugely over rate. (McCain looked tired to me, and maybe recovering from a heavy cold).

    More generally it is amusing that questions like that about the donation can never be answered with an obvious truth (in many cases true anyway) that the politician with a charitable foundation is happy to enjoy the benefit of a donor imagining he has bought some real influence when nothing has been bought but a small amount of face to face time or the politician actually taking a telephone call. No doubt much fostering of false cause-and-effect connections takes place subtly too.

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    Maybe you missed this on my other post on this topic.

    September 06, 2013 Senator John McCain, Foreign Relations “Adviser” to Al Qaeda Death Squads in Syria

    Senator John McCain is a criminal who provided support to terrorist groups. He belongs in jail, not in the US Senate. And certainly not in the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations which has granted Obama the “Green Light” to bomb Syria.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/senator-john-mccain-foreign-relations-adviser-to-al-qaeda-death-squads-in-syria/5348383
  58. @Wizard of Oz
    Granted Montenegro has strong affinities with Serbs and Serbia but why would US/CIA be sufficiently anti-Serb in 2017 to care one way or the other about Montenegro-Serbia relations?

    Is it supposed to be something to do with Russia having a lot of malign influence in Serbia? What's the current story?

    None of it has anything to do with anything rational.

    It’s a bunch of too rich, bored, useless fools looking for a little excitement by screwing around with people. Since they’re apparently incapable of conceiving of useful things to do, they opt for crackpot behavior.

    It probably gives ‘em a thrill similar to what nasty kids do when they torture animals.

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  59. Not Raul says:

    Just like Obama turned out not to be “Obama”, Trump is turning out not to be “Trump”.

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  60. Not Raul says:
    @jacques sheete
    I claim no authority on this, but syd.bgd seems to have made a very interesting and probably valid point.

    Princip was a Bosnian Serb, but perhaps one who wanted a multi-ethnic Slav nation that was independent of the even more multi-ethnic Austrian Empire. At least that is the inference one can make from his statement at his trial for the murder of the heir to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. He said, “I am a Yugoslav nationalist, aiming for the unification of all Yugoslavs, and I do not care what form of state, but it must be freed from Austria.”

    http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/where-it-all-began-i/
     

    In any case, I'd like to hear more from him or her. Sounds like a potential source of interesting views at a minimum.

    Either way, Princip wanted Bosnia to be ruled from Belgrade (in Serbia), not Vienna. No use splitting hairs here.

    WW1 was a shyt show.

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    No use splitting hairs here.
     
    True, it may not be useful, but it is fun to know.

    In any case, I’d like to hear more from him or her. Sounds like a potential source of interesting views at a minimum.

    WW1 was a shyt show.
     
    It certainly was another slaughter, as unnecessary as it was expensive, both in terms of men and material, as well as in losses of liberty.
  61. Svigor says:

    Much ado about nothing. McCain has no credibility, in spite of the MSM’s efforts to use him.

    I’m trying to picture the sort of man who says of McCain, “now there’s a true American!” The Podhoretzes and the super-cucks. A shitload of globalist oligarchs. Defense industry people. But who else? He seems like the sort who gets into office under false pretenses, then holds the seat by sucking up more globalist oligarch political money than any patriotic primary challenger from the right ever could, then being the lesser of two evils is the general election. I have a hard time believing any normal American is enthusiastic about him. Even the dim can see that the press and the establishment like him way too much.

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    I’m trying to picture the sort of man who says of McCain, “now there’s a true American!” The Podhoretzes and the super-cucks. A shitload of globalist oligarchs. Defense industry people. But who else?
     
    C'mon, Svigor... Don't you know that John McCain is the most outstanding military man of his generation, the greatest American hero of the Vietnam War?

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-when-tokyo-rose-ran-for-president/

    It really sounds like you need to watch more TeeVee...
  62. Ron Unz says:
    @Svigor

    Much ado about nothing. McCain has no credibility, in spite of the MSM’s efforts to use him.
     
    I'm trying to picture the sort of man who says of McCain, "now there's a true American!" The Podhoretzes and the super-cucks. A shitload of globalist oligarchs. Defense industry people. But who else? He seems like the sort who gets into office under false pretenses, then holds the seat by sucking up more globalist oligarch political money than any patriotic primary challenger from the right ever could, then being the lesser of two evils is the general election. I have a hard time believing any normal American is enthusiastic about him. Even the dim can see that the press and the establishment like him way too much.

    I’m trying to picture the sort of man who says of McCain, “now there’s a true American!” The Podhoretzes and the super-cucks. A shitload of globalist oligarchs. Defense industry people. But who else?

    C’mon, Svigor… Don’t you know that John McCain is the most outstanding military man of his generation, the greatest American hero of the Vietnam War?

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-when-tokyo-rose-ran-for-president/

    It really sounds like you need to watch more TeeVee…

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    http://www.unz.com/jpetras/chinas-great-leap-forward-western-frogs-croak-dismay/

    China’s leadership under President Xi Jinping has launched an effective large-scale anti-corruption campaign leading to the arrest or ouster of over 200,000 business and public officials, including billionaires, and top politburo and Central Committee members.
     
    I find this to be absolutely stunning. Imagine that happening in America.
  63. Svigor says:

    What kind of ass hole votes for McCain? Looking at you Arizona. Lets hear from McCain voters. How do you justify your vote? Do you share his desire for nuclear winter? Are you checking under your bed for Russians before you sleep?

    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, except I had to express it more tactfully; I live in the glass house, South Carolina.

    And the senator from Arizona is working for Bibi Netanyahu and the state of Israel…..and I do not say that lightly.

    Indeed, this cretin never saw a military-industrial or Zionist boot he didn’t want to lick. The apotheosis of the scoundrel wrapped in the flag.

    They say when the elderly stop doing what they love, they’re about to die. When McCain stops warmongering for Israel and shilling for the cheap labor lobby oligarchs, we’ll know his time is up.

    McCain is just terrible; easily the most loathsome figure in all of American politics.

    Agreed. McCain is the worst, though if I got to pick someone to Cantor, it would be Paul Ryan, who is far more powerful and dangerous. But McCain is the most loathsome, no doubt. It’s like the Mongols vs. the Aztecs. The Mongols beat the Aztecs by a mile in terms of the scale of their evil, but for sheer vileness, the Aztecs are the undisputed champs.

    Apparently it runs in the family, too, with his dad helping to cover up Israel’s attack on the Liberty.

    I was going to say the same thing, except I was going to cite the other end of the branch, his blockheaded troll of a daughter; a nitwit airhead who got her media sinecure on account of globalist stooge daddy, and uses it to dutifully regurgitate the family line, plus a bunch of degenerate racial/LGBT leftist crap. Typically, contrary to every “conservative” radio talk host I’ve ever heard, I have never once heard her take a call on her show. Instead she fills the time with interviewing/sucking up to leftist media types and letting people far smarter and more knowledgeable than her talk about the issues important to her (heavily skewed toward airheaded concerns). Her entire show screams “bimbo.”

    He was a little man back then

    I put him at no more than five foot seven. Probably more like five foot six. And he has the worst case of halitosis I’ve ever smelled.

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  64. Svigor says:

    It really sounds like you need to watch more TeeVee…

    Yeah, I can see how Fox News addicts would like him. I watch zero TV that I haven’t downloaded, as I have literally no way to get broadcast TV, unless I go over to a friend’s house. I get all my news in print.

    And bear in mind, I’m agnostic about that article. I buy it, but I don’t try to sell it, if you follow. The man is absolutely loathsome on the strictly on-the-record merits.

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  65. MEexpert says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Surely your translation of "All options are on the table" as code for an intention to attack is at best debatable? Is it not just run of the mill intimidation balanced between outright threat and the creation of uncertainty?

    What "diplomacy" do you see as appropriate to deal with North Korea? (I see it as ineffective unless it is diplomacy with China).

    And how serious are you? Is suggesting handing over State functions to Defense more than frivolity? Do you think Rumsfeld's taking control of the lead up to the Iraq war supports your fantasy?

    And how serious are you? Is suggesting handing over State functions to Defense more than frivolity? Do you think Rumsfeld’s taking control of the lead up to the Iraq war supports your fantasy?

    You missed the point. My point was that Since Bill Clinton’s presidency, every Secretary of State has been threating countries around the world of upcoming wars if they didn’t tow the US line. There are diplomatic ways of doing even this unpleasant task. Threatening about the war is Secretary of Defense’s purview. General Mattis could have said the same thing that Rex Tillerson said.

    Surely your translation of “All options are on the table” as code for an intention to attack is at best debatable?

    When the President, the Vice President, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, and the UN Ambassador repeats this mantra, I think we are way passed the debating stage.

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  66. Ace says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Otto von Bismarck has also been quoted as saying the Balkans were not worth the bones of a single Pomeranian grenadier. That was true then and its an order of magnitude truer for American GIs.

    Excellent (fundamental) point.

    Another Capt. Obvious point: We should be supporting Assad in Syria, clearly the best option for that country. All other options involve chaos (the Israeli objective) or al-Qaida (Saudi) filth takeover (the Libyan Option).

    But the ultra-sophisticated US foreign policy – involving the expenditure of billions – is that Assad “must go.” Assad the Mad Dog Ophthalmologist.

    Hysteria about Iranian, Russian, and Hezbollah involvement is bogus as they all would have zero forces there had the US not waged aggressive, unconstitutional war on Syria in the first place. Strangely, there’s no hysteria whatsoever about Turkish invasion of Syria.

    The Obama foreign policy is in full force. McMaster, Keane, Peters, McFarland, and Bolton are in their element. Ready, fire, aim! And FoxNews at the ready to drink their bathwater.

    More neocon wisdom in service to humanity.

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    Hysteria about Iranian, Russian, and Hezbollah involvement is bogus as they all would have zero forces there had the US not waged aggressive, unconstitutional war on Syria in the first place. Strangely, there’s no hysteria whatsoever about Turkish invasion of Syria.
     
    Exactly, and let's not forget about the US invasion of Syria as well - something like a 1000 troops or more inside the country, building bases in Syria, etc - , all of it illegal acts of war infringing upon basic aspects of Syrian sovereignty.
  67. Ace says:
    @annamaria
    Was not McCain Sr. involved in a cover up of USSLiberty "incident?" _ http://america-hijacked.com/2011/09/02/john-mccain-praises-fathers-whitewashing-of-israels-attack-on-the-uss-liberty/ "John McCain Praises Father’s Whitewashing of Israel’s Attack on the USS LIBERTY"

    The senator from Arizona has been also attracted to Ukrainian neo-Nazis: http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/mccain-stands-with-neo-nazis-in-kiev-experts-say-us-fueled-rise/article/374226

    "Sadly, in much of Europe, the word fascism is totally misused. Marine Le Pen is a classic civic nationalist, not a fascist. Geert Wilders is certainly an anti-Muslim bigot, but in no way is the man who is a kind of liberal on steroids, a fascist... The junta regime in Kiev is an openly fascist regime, but even inside EU borders, one sees fascism, literally on the march. Latvia has recently held a march paying tribute to Latvians who fought in Hitler’s Waffen SS. ... It comes as the US perpetually rejects Russian sponsored UN Resolutions condemning the glorification of Nazism. The only other country to join the US in this year after year is predictably, Ukraine, which itself would stand to be condemned for glorifying Nazi collaborators like Stepan Bandera." http://theduran.com/real-fascism-marches-in-europe-while-eu-leaders-look-the-other-way/

    "Several thousand people, including several Latvian lawmakers and nationalists from neighboring Lithuania and Estonia, gathered in central Riga Thursday to mark 'Remembrance Day of the Latvian Legionnaire' –a commemorative event dedicated to the Waffen-SS formations formed by the Nazis in occupied Latvia in 1943." https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703161051652027-latvia-ss-march-commentary/
    The NAZI-glorifying parade has happened just in time to meet NATO's UK & US contingents. What an interesting coincidence: the "liberated" Latvia celebrates its "liberating values" by parading for Nazis - while NATO forces are joining Latvian warriors in defense of "perceived" threat from the East. Let them enjoy the infamy. Jens Stoltenberg is the current Secretary General of the NATO. Non a peep from him re the neo-Nazi parades in Baltic states. Guess, Stoltenberg approves the celebrations.

    For stark evidence of fascism look no further than European governments’ reliance on AntiFa street fighters as unacknowledged auxiliaries and their relentless suppression of free speech.

    Substance is more important than focusing on labels. KenH makes a good point about why Latvians would have a different view of the Germans.

    Affection for Bandera can be understood for the same reason. A first-person German account of combat in Ukraine showed that Ukrainian civilians and German troops developed friendships, as did a German and a Soviet soldier in the night.

    Finns fought with German troops against Soviet troops. Clearly theirs was a righteous war.

    People did not behave then with the knowledge of 70 years into the future or with the knowledge of what was happening everywhere else at the time. And they did not have to ignore relative advantages when available options were less than ideal.

    Mention of the talismanic word “Nazi” does not wipe these experiences or realities from the memory of human beings.

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    "Mention of the talismanic word “Nazi” does not wipe these experiences or realities from the memory of human beings." Sure. But would you show the same decisive conviction when explaining the ziocons that their loud Holocaust-related victimhood should be approached from the relativist perspective as well? - Therefore, as soon as the leading ziocons had began collaborating with neo-Nazis in Ukraine and "moderate" cannibals in the Middle East, all mentions of Holocaust should have disappeared and the Holocaust museums' business of "never again" got closed.
  68. @Not Raul
    Either way, Princip wanted Bosnia to be ruled from Belgrade (in Serbia), not Vienna. No use splitting hairs here.

    WW1 was a shyt show.

    No use splitting hairs here.

    True, it may not be useful, but it is fun to know.

    In any case, I’d like to hear more from him or her. Sounds like a potential source of interesting views at a minimum.

    WW1 was a shyt show.

    It certainly was another slaughter, as unnecessary as it was expensive, both in terms of men and material, as well as in losses of liberty.

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    • Replies: @Vladimir
    Gavrilo Princip was a Serb, but also a Yugoslav nationalist. I say that as a Serb, and someone familiar with the subject (and the sheer stupidity of Yugoslav idea).
  69. ,

    With respect to your ‘Latvia Nazi parade’ please either read up or shut up. I don’t have the time or the patience to explain the history of the Latvian
    experience while being occupied by Nazi Germany but will succinctly state that the parade has NOTHING to do with glorifying Nazism.

    I don’t post links because I found out long ago that someone that is too lazy to look into an issue is too lazy to click on a link and even if they do they tend to disregard it as being a prejudicial one sided view.

    Stick to the Ukraine, something you know a bit about.

    Cheers-

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  70. Che Guava says:

    Apologies to McCartney (presuming that Blackbird was his, which is seeming reasonable), of the moment. BTW, another good article by Mr. Buchanan.

    Songbird singing on the Senate floor,
    take your several broken wings
    and learn to sing,
    all your life,
    you were only waiting for the Hilton’s pleasant smile.
    Songbird, sing!
    Songbird, sing!
    Into the dark of your own true mind.

    [MORE]


    Songbird your captors were loving you.
    You trust it’s in a memory hole,
    all your life,
    but your comrades and your jailers,
    they recall you all too well.
    Songbird, sing!
    Songbird, sing!
    Into the dark of your traitor’s life.

    Songbird singing on the Hilton P.A,
    broke so many wings along the way.
    All your life.
    You were only waiting
    for treason’s moment to arrive.
    Songbird, sing!
    Songbird, sing!
    Into the bad deeds you just can’t face.

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  71. Art says:

    I like seeing McCain attacking Rand Paul – it brings good positive attention to Paul.

    Rand Paul is speaking up with libertarian answers on many issues and getting positive MSM attention – this is good.

    Peace — Art

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  72. Agent76 says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I have absolutely no dog in this fight but got slightly interested in McCain after Ron Unz raised questions about him. I am not impressed by this latest chipping away at him. Ability to read people's body language and facial expressions has been shown to be something people hugely over rate. (McCain looked tired to me, and maybe recovering from a heavy cold).

    More generally it is amusing that questions like that about the donation can never be answered with an obvious truth (in many cases true anyway) that the politician with a charitable foundation is happy to enjoy the benefit of a donor imagining he has bought some real influence when nothing has been bought but a small amount of face to face time or the politician actually taking a telephone call. No doubt much fostering of false cause-and-effect connections takes place subtly too.

    Maybe you missed this on my other post on this topic.

    September 06, 2013 Senator John McCain, Foreign Relations “Adviser” to Al Qaeda Death Squads in Syria

    Senator John McCain is a criminal who provided support to terrorist groups. He belongs in jail, not in the US Senate. And certainly not in the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations which has granted Obama the “Green Light” to bomb Syria.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/senator-john-mccain-foreign-relations-adviser-to-al-qaeda-death-squads-in-syria/5348383

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    Thanks. I don't know how to assess the linked GlobalResearch website generally but I didn't detect any of the obvious signs of crankiness or dishonesty. Indeed McCain probably belongs in a very secure Twilight home.
  73. Che Guava says:
    @Ben Frank
    Benedict Arnold, Tokyo Rose, Julius Rosenberg, John Walker Jr., Robert Hanssen , Aldrich Ames, John McCain.

    You do know that Tokyo Rose was not a unique person? It was a collective name. In any case, the most famous one ended up as a quiet shopkeeper in the US for many years.

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  74. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @jacques sheete

    And so it did when the Austrian archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo June 28, 1914 by Serbian ethnonationalist Gavrilo Princip.
     
    Good gawd, Mr B, how can a "premium" historian such as yourself utter such nonsense? It's trite, simplistic and about the dumbest claim a person could make.

    The war was ready to happen and everyone knew it. Any half significant incident would've escalated the hostilities.

    Simply put, the war came because a handful of dipshit knuckleheads in power (as distinct from the people) in Serbia, Russia, France and Britain wanted it. The Great War came (began) long before the deaths in Sarajevo, and to put it any other way just perpetuates the myths and largely exonerates the main evil doers.

    The point is that we'll never make any progress unless we hold accountable those who are responsible. The hothead Princip was nothing more than a small time tool who continues to take the rap, while the real perps remain unknown and the real causes go unexamined.


    In and around the waters of the Persian Gulf, United States warships are harassed by Iranian patrol boats...
     
    With all due respect, sir, but are you nuts???? Who's harassing whom? The very presence of US military ships in Iranian waters constitutes aggressive harassment of Iran by the US.

    Heaven help us.

    PS: McCain needs to be in Guantanamo, and I agree that Rand Paul is correct here.

    “largely exonerates the main evil doers.”

    Exonerating the main evil doers, primarily the pale faced kind, has always been the reason why the main evil doers get to perform their evil doings. They know fully well there will be a lot of exonerating which follows.

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    Exonerating the main evil doers, primarily the pale faced kind, has always been the reason why the main evil doers get to perform their evil doings. They know fully well there will be a lot of exonerating which follows.
     
    Yup.

    What's even worse is that they typically wind up parading around as if they're "heroes" while the good guys get strung up.
  75. L.K says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    Hey L.K.,

    Pat Buchanan -- author of the excellent "Churchill, Hitler, and The Unnecessary War" -- could have said what I said with much more finesse, power, & influence than me.

    To my recollection, in the book (above), Mr. Buchanan discussed the criminal April 3003 sacking of Iraq, but he did not talk about the late 2001 W. Bush administration's hokey Afghanistan attack. I cherish his book, but to this day, I wonder why the neglect?

    Today, a valuable follow up can be written by P.B. and called, "Ariel Sharon, W. Bush and the Unnecessary U.S. War of Terror Against the Taliban."

    Thank you!

    Hey Chuck,
    Your absolutely right. In fact, as we now know, the invasion of Afghanistan was planned prior to 9-11, which served as the pretext for it and, as we both know, was not carried out by BL & co.
    Don’t expect P.Buchanan to go there as there are clearly limits to what he is willing to admit to in terms of zamerican criminality.
    For example, Buchanan annoys the hell out of me with his comments about how European NATO members ‘use’ ZUSA to pay for their ‘security’. This is nonsense as NATO is, in fact, a key instrument of zamerican Imperialism…
    Best regards

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    Hey L.K.,

    For a while and until your comment's appearance, I figured my grievance with Pat Buchanan was ignored, unwanted.

    I have even read his lively letter exchanges with the late-Hunter S. Thompson. I voted Buchanan for President twice. I so wanted to trust and believe in his American patriotic and nationalist voice. Sput-sput-sput, clang... an old time saying, "If 'ifs' and 'buts' were candy & nuts, oh what a Christmas it would be!"

    Mr. Buchanan is 78 years old. Like all of us (in reality), he's running out of time to speak his mind and tell his broad & supportive audience precisely what he knows about the "zamerican" darkness. Doubtless, he knows the Afghanistan invasion was "planned prior to 9-11."

    I suspect when those who dare speak from "high levels" like P.B. (often does), and challenges/exposes Jewamerican high crimes, they arrive at the point of "existential" danger and subject to... extinction.

    What's more, perhaps P.B. has family members who desire to rise in American business and acceptable society? For example, a "bright" grand daughter who matriculates at Georgetown U. does not need a famous grandpa who tells truth about Zionist Jews. That's the road where Dead Careers tread.

    In summary, where Pat Buchanan has landed is not in a spot "where eagles dare." For me, it's very sad to live long enough and see the loft from where he fell. Right, now, calling out the "Amen Corner" and hammering pathetic John McCain is the best he can do. Nostalgic, I look back to P.B.'s defense of Ivan Demjanuk and protesting against 1990s era blasphemy-in-Art,; i.e. Serrano's "Piss Christ."

    Best regards, L.K. It's a real pleasure to talk with you and perhaps we have plucked a Hebron olive from out of Mr. Buchanan's after dinner martini?
  76. L.K says:
    @Ace
    Excellent (fundamental) point.

    Another Capt. Obvious point: We should be supporting Assad in Syria, clearly the best option for that country. All other options involve chaos (the Israeli objective) or al-Qaida (Saudi) filth takeover (the Libyan Option).

    But the ultra-sophisticated US foreign policy - involving the expenditure of billions - is that Assad "must go." Assad the Mad Dog Ophthalmologist.

    Hysteria about Iranian, Russian, and Hezbollah involvement is bogus as they all would have zero forces there had the US not waged aggressive, unconstitutional war on Syria in the first place. Strangely, there's no hysteria whatsoever about Turkish invasion of Syria.

    The Obama foreign policy is in full force. McMaster, Keane, Peters, McFarland, and Bolton are in their element. Ready, fire, aim! And FoxNews at the ready to drink their bathwater.

    More neocon wisdom in service to humanity.

    Hysteria about Iranian, Russian, and Hezbollah involvement is bogus as they all would have zero forces there had the US not waged aggressive, unconstitutional war on Syria in the first place. Strangely, there’s no hysteria whatsoever about Turkish invasion of Syria.

    Exactly, and let’s not forget about the US invasion of Syria as well – something like a 1000 troops or more inside the country, building bases in Syria, etc – , all of it illegal acts of war infringing upon basic aspects of Syrian sovereignty.

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  77. Vladimir says:
    @jacques sheete

    No use splitting hairs here.
     
    True, it may not be useful, but it is fun to know.

    In any case, I’d like to hear more from him or her. Sounds like a potential source of interesting views at a minimum.

    WW1 was a shyt show.
     
    It certainly was another slaughter, as unnecessary as it was expensive, both in terms of men and material, as well as in losses of liberty.

    Gavrilo Princip was a Serb, but also a Yugoslav nationalist. I say that as a Serb, and someone familiar with the subject (and the sheer stupidity of Yugoslav idea).

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    Wow! Thank you. If ever I want to taunt a multiculturalist beyond nitpicking questions about definition and scope I now have a great example to toss in. Yugoslavia! Indeed! And they couldn't even complain about all those welfare bludging immigrants who wouldn't even learn the language. Kosovo's Albanians I take it were latecomers to the brawls.
    , @jacques sheete
    Thank you Sir!

    It sure would be nice to talk with someone like you about such things. Here, in the US, the people who know anything and are willing to discuss it intelligently are pretty much non-existent, but on the other hand, the more ignorant they are, the more they think they have all the answers.
  78. annamaria says:
    @Ace
    For stark evidence of fascism look no further than European governments' reliance on AntiFa street fighters as unacknowledged auxiliaries and their relentless suppression of free speech.

    Substance is more important than focusing on labels. KenH makes a good point about why Latvians would have a different view of the Germans.

    Affection for Bandera can be understood for the same reason. A first-person German account of combat in Ukraine showed that Ukrainian civilians and German troops developed friendships, as did a German and a Soviet soldier in the night.

    Finns fought with German troops against Soviet troops. Clearly theirs was a righteous war.

    People did not behave then with the knowledge of 70 years into the future or with the knowledge of what was happening everywhere else at the time. And they did not have to ignore relative advantages when available options were less than ideal.

    Mention of the talismanic word "Nazi" does not wipe these experiences or realities from the memory of human beings.

    “Mention of the talismanic word “Nazi” does not wipe these experiences or realities from the memory of human beings.” Sure. But would you show the same decisive conviction when explaining the ziocons that their loud Holocaust-related victimhood should be approached from the relativist perspective as well? – Therefore, as soon as the leading ziocons had began collaborating with neo-Nazis in Ukraine and “moderate” cannibals in the Middle East, all mentions of Holocaust should have disappeared and the Holocaust museums’ business of “never again” got closed.

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  79. @L.K
    Hey Chuck,
    Your absolutely right. In fact, as we now know, the invasion of Afghanistan was planned prior to 9-11, which served as the pretext for it and, as we both know, was not carried out by BL & co.
    Don't expect P.Buchanan to go there as there are clearly limits to what he is willing to admit to in terms of zamerican criminality.
    For example, Buchanan annoys the hell out of me with his comments about how European NATO members 'use' ZUSA to pay for their 'security'. This is nonsense as NATO is, in fact, a key instrument of zamerican Imperialism...
    Best regards

    Hey L.K.,

    For a while and until your comment’s appearance, I figured my grievance with Pat Buchanan was ignored, unwanted.

    I have even read his lively letter exchanges with the late-Hunter S. Thompson. I voted Buchanan for President twice. I so wanted to trust and believe in his American patriotic and nationalist voice. Sput-sput-sput, clang… an old time saying, “If ‘ifs’ and ‘buts’ were candy & nuts, oh what a Christmas it would be!”

    Mr. Buchanan is 78 years old. Like all of us (in reality), he’s running out of time to speak his mind and tell his broad & supportive audience precisely what he knows about the “zamerican” darkness. Doubtless, he knows the Afghanistan invasion was “planned prior to 9-11.”

    I suspect when those who dare speak from “high levels” like P.B. (often does), and challenges/exposes Jewamerican high crimes, they arrive at the point of “existential” danger and subject to… extinction.

    What’s more, perhaps P.B. has family members who desire to rise in American business and acceptable society? For example, a “bright” grand daughter who matriculates at Georgetown U. does not need a famous grandpa who tells truth about Zionist Jews. That’s the road where Dead Careers tread.

    In summary, where Pat Buchanan has landed is not in a spot “where eagles dare.” For me, it’s very sad to live long enough and see the loft from where he fell. Right, now, calling out the “Amen Corner” and hammering pathetic John McCain is the best he can do. Nostalgic, I look back to P.B.’s defense of Ivan Demjanuk and protesting against 1990s era blasphemy-in-Art,; i.e. Serrano’s “Piss Christ.”

    Best regards, L.K. It’s a real pleasure to talk with you and perhaps we have plucked a Hebron olive from out of Mr. Buchanan’s after dinner martini?

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  80. syd.bgd says:

    Sorry, I’ve been off line.
    So, what’s the point in hairsplitting?
    1. Inaccuracy about Gavrilo Princip, written in the context, represents one of basic lines of Clinton age propaganda: it suggests that Serbian ethnic nationalism caused WW1. Since Fritz Fisher world has learned that it is not true, not in archives, not in historical science, not in logic. You see, McCain and likes are using the same principle dealing with Russia. Insinuations and fake news on top of them. You can’t go against McCain using his favorite tool.
    2. Someone take a look at the map: what can be seen? There is an area going from Ukraine to Balkans to Syria. Anybody lightly familiar with European history since Ancient Rome understands. Who started war in 1. and 3.? Who wants to, and who can, throw that proverbial match in Balkans again? Sebian ethnonationalism, as suggested? Someone to blame on CNN? Round up usual suspects.
    3. M. Djukanovic of Montenegro is, let me put it on word, a satrap. No wonder McCain likes him: he is friend of Ukrainian Nazis, ISIS leaders, violent crowds who are useful idiots for him and those like him, so he has no problem with that man too.
    4. I’ve been through that all in 90es: these misrepresentations, and Mr. Buchanan is writing them for a second time in last two articles. It is scary, folks. If this is the best from Trump supporter and conservative, than Clinton and liberals are no worse.

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    “Serbian ethnic nationalism caused WW1”
     
    If one believes Geoffrey Wawro’s ‘A Mad Catastrophe’, the blame for WW1 lies in rotten Austria-Hungary (Vienna was petrified at losing influence over it’s dominions). Even more with ally imperial Germany, ever eager for war. Germany needed an excuse to justify invading and knocking-out France, and then to attack Russia (von Moltke advised it from 1912).

    Princip (a Bosnian student enlisted by the Black Hand - not by the Serbian government) furnished the best excuse. Germany urged Austria-Hungary to issue and reject stern demands. Serbia agreed to the demands but requested the last (an investigation of the assassination) be conducted by an international agency. Austria-Hungary broke-off relations and war ensued.

    The first act of aggression? Germany invades neutral Luxembourg 2 Aug 1914; then invades neutral Belgium two days later. Luxembourg and Belgium. Golly - was it because neutral Luxembourgers and Belgians threatened the Reich?.

    Serbia lost 27.78% of it’s population in WW1. The German Reich lost 4.32%. Austria-Hungary lost 7.93%. Of course then the table was set for the next contest.

    Buchanan is routinely used by those who think the US should never have fought in WW2 (notwithstanding Pearl Harbor 7 Dec 1941 and Germany’s declaration of war 11 Dec 1941). In fact, many on this forum assert Churchill, FDR, and everyone but dear old Adolf started WW2.

    Welcome to Planet Germania.
  81. @MEexpert

    And how serious are you? Is suggesting handing over State functions to Defense more than frivolity? Do you think Rumsfeld’s taking control of the lead up to the Iraq war supports your fantasy?
     
    You missed the point. My point was that Since Bill Clinton's presidency, every Secretary of State has been threating countries around the world of upcoming wars if they didn't tow the US line. There are diplomatic ways of doing even this unpleasant task. Threatening about the war is Secretary of Defense's purview. General Mattis could have said the same thing that Rex Tillerson said.

    Surely your translation of “All options are on the table” as code for an intention to attack is at best debatable?
     
    When the President, the Vice President, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, and the UN Ambassador repeats this mantra, I think we are way passed the debating stage.

    Pleasant change on UR to get a civil response :-)

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  82. @Vladimir
    Gavrilo Princip was a Serb, but also a Yugoslav nationalist. I say that as a Serb, and someone familiar with the subject (and the sheer stupidity of Yugoslav idea).

    Wow! Thank you. If ever I want to taunt a multiculturalist beyond nitpicking questions about definition and scope I now have a great example to toss in. Yugoslavia! Indeed! And they couldn’t even complain about all those welfare bludging immigrants who wouldn’t even learn the language. Kosovo’s Albanians I take it were latecomers to the brawls.

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  83. @Agent76
    Maybe you missed this on my other post on this topic.

    September 06, 2013 Senator John McCain, Foreign Relations “Adviser” to Al Qaeda Death Squads in Syria

    Senator John McCain is a criminal who provided support to terrorist groups. He belongs in jail, not in the US Senate. And certainly not in the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations which has granted Obama the “Green Light” to bomb Syria.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/senator-john-mccain-foreign-relations-adviser-to-al-qaeda-death-squads-in-syria/5348383

    Thanks. I don’t know how to assess the linked GlobalResearch website generally but I didn’t detect any of the obvious signs of crankiness or dishonesty. Indeed McCain probably belongs in a very secure Twilight home.

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  84. Eagle Eye says:
    @annamaria
    Was not McCain Sr. involved in a cover up of USSLiberty "incident?" _ http://america-hijacked.com/2011/09/02/john-mccain-praises-fathers-whitewashing-of-israels-attack-on-the-uss-liberty/ "John McCain Praises Father’s Whitewashing of Israel’s Attack on the USS LIBERTY"

    The senator from Arizona has been also attracted to Ukrainian neo-Nazis: http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/mccain-stands-with-neo-nazis-in-kiev-experts-say-us-fueled-rise/article/374226

    "Sadly, in much of Europe, the word fascism is totally misused. Marine Le Pen is a classic civic nationalist, not a fascist. Geert Wilders is certainly an anti-Muslim bigot, but in no way is the man who is a kind of liberal on steroids, a fascist... The junta regime in Kiev is an openly fascist regime, but even inside EU borders, one sees fascism, literally on the march. Latvia has recently held a march paying tribute to Latvians who fought in Hitler’s Waffen SS. ... It comes as the US perpetually rejects Russian sponsored UN Resolutions condemning the glorification of Nazism. The only other country to join the US in this year after year is predictably, Ukraine, which itself would stand to be condemned for glorifying Nazi collaborators like Stepan Bandera." http://theduran.com/real-fascism-marches-in-europe-while-eu-leaders-look-the-other-way/

    "Several thousand people, including several Latvian lawmakers and nationalists from neighboring Lithuania and Estonia, gathered in central Riga Thursday to mark 'Remembrance Day of the Latvian Legionnaire' –a commemorative event dedicated to the Waffen-SS formations formed by the Nazis in occupied Latvia in 1943." https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703161051652027-latvia-ss-march-commentary/
    The NAZI-glorifying parade has happened just in time to meet NATO's UK & US contingents. What an interesting coincidence: the "liberated" Latvia celebrates its "liberating values" by parading for Nazis - while NATO forces are joining Latvian warriors in defense of "perceived" threat from the East. Let them enjoy the infamy. Jens Stoltenberg is the current Secretary General of the NATO. Non a peep from him re the neo-Nazi parades in Baltic states. Guess, Stoltenberg approves the celebrations.

    The USS Liberty incident was not really “hushed up” at all – everyone involved knows and agrees that Israeli jets bombed the USS Liberty in the Red Sea. Indeed, Israel has paid compensation to the families of those killed as a result of its “mistake.”

    What nobody wants to talk about is WHY tiny Israel would decide, in the middle of a life-and-death war against its Arab neighbors, to have its IDF jets bomb a US Navy intelligence gathering vessel. Evidently, the decision was made at the highest level with heavy hearts.

    WHY would Israel risk losing its biggest ally in the middle of a war? The obvious answer is that Israel learned that intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel’s Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.

    Later dealings between Israel and LBJ are consonant with the hypothesis that a faction within the NSA had been passing military intelligence to the Egyptian side.

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    The USS Liberty incident was not really “hushed up”...
     
    It seems to have been initially.


    What nobody wants to talk about is WHY tiny Israel ...
     
    "Tiny"? It has always been backed by big money and people in power. Don't even try that "tiny" crap around here if you want even a shred of cred.

    They probably committed the crime so they could blame the attack on the Egyptians. If the ship had been sunk, they'd have probably done exactly that.

    intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel’s Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.
     
    Here we go again with the never ending wailing about the "existential threat." Who doesn't face such threats? "Forcing" Israel??? Yeah the devil made 'em do it. "So they were forced, were they? The usual excuse is that it was all a big mistake. Which is it?

    Defensive"? Now that's a hoot.

    Heck, I never even went to spin school and I could make up better silliness than that.

    Keep spinning tho, it's entertaining.
    , @L.K

    thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure
     
    Total BS. To begin with, Israel's "very survival" was hardly at risk during the Six-Day War, a war of aggression initiated by Israel, whose propagandists falsely claim was a "preemptive" war.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    The version I have lodged without emotion attached doesn't include the NSA passing on info to the Egyptians - which would go a long way to justifying the attack. But clearly it wasn't a run of the mill friendly fire blunder.

    What puzzles me about your apparently knowledgeable comment is that you place USS Liberty in the Red Sea. It wasn't. I suspect you are quite young and doing your bit in the blogosphere on USS Liberty watch!

    I don't go along with those who object to your use of "tiny" or existential threat to Israel as, at the very least, understandable perceptions by Israelis. When a billion or so people with lots of oil wealth say they want to get rid of you 25 years after Hitler tried to a choice to be a bit paranoid could be said to be wise strategy.

    , @MEexpert

    intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel’s Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.
     
    It was no defensive measure. It was a blatant attack. The idea was to blame the Arabs for the attack and get more sympathy and help from the US. Defensive measure my foot. The ship was in International waters.
    , @KenH

    The obvious answer is that Israel learned that intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel’s Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.
     
    That is false and Jewish lies and disinformation. The U.S.S. Liberty was monitoring events of the "six day war" and was believed to have gathered evidence of Israeli atrocities against Egyptians. Israel thought they could sink the Liberty it and blame the Egyptians, thus forcing the U.S. to enter the war to destroy Egypt.

    When the Liberty wouldn't sink they then phoned Washington and admitted their "terrible mistake" and "case of mistaken identity".
    , @annamaria
    The USS Liberty incident was a declaration of war. The incident was hushed up; read the testimonies of the survivors. At least your were very clear about the well-known fact that the lives of American citizens (non-Jewish) mean nothing for Israelis. Israel and the Fifth column of Israel-firsters in the US/UK make a dangerous parasitoid on western civilization. It would be much better for the world at large if the admirers of and loyalists to Israel finally congregate in the Middle East and start solving their problems ion their own, away from the western world.
    , @Joe Franklin
    From the USS Liberty survivor's website:

    http://www.gtr5.com/

    On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.



    The Attack


    After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning. USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter. Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.

    The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded. The ship, a $40-million dollar state-of-the-art signals intelligence platform, was later declared unsalvageable and sold for scrap.

    The Cover Up

    Despite a near-universal consensus that the Israeli attack was made with full knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship, the Johnson administration began an immediate cover-up of this fact. Though administration officers continued individually to characterize the attack as deliberate, the Johnson administration never sought the prosecution of the guilty parties or otherwise attempted to seek justice for the victims. They concealed and altered evidence in their effort to downplay the attack. Though they never formally accepted the Israeli explanation that it was an accident, they never pressed for a full investigation either. They simply allowed those responsible literally to get away with murder.

    In an ongoing effort to reveal the truth about the attack, the USS Liberty Veterans Association has filed with the Secretary of the Army in the manner prescribed by law a detailed, fully documented Report of War Crimes describing the circumstances of the attack on our ship and evidence that it was a crime under international law. In accordance with international law and treaties, the United States is obligated to investigate the allegations. So far, the United States has declined even to acknowledge that the report has been filed. The full text of the report can be found at http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/warcrimes.pdf

     

  85. @Anonymous
    "largely exonerates the main evil doers."

    Exonerating the main evil doers, primarily the pale faced kind, has always been the reason why the main evil doers get to perform their evil doings. They know fully well there will be a lot of exonerating which follows.

    Exonerating the main evil doers, primarily the pale faced kind, has always been the reason why the main evil doers get to perform their evil doings. They know fully well there will be a lot of exonerating which follows.

    Yup.

    What’s even worse is that they typically wind up parading around as if they’re “heroes” while the good guys get strung up.

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  86. @Vladimir
    Gavrilo Princip was a Serb, but also a Yugoslav nationalist. I say that as a Serb, and someone familiar with the subject (and the sheer stupidity of Yugoslav idea).

    Thank you Sir!

    It sure would be nice to talk with someone like you about such things. Here, in the US, the people who know anything and are willing to discuss it intelligently are pretty much non-existent, but on the other hand, the more ignorant they are, the more they think they have all the answers.

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    You are most welcome!

    You can hit me at vgvukovic@gmail.com, I wouldn't mind answering any questions you have about this corner of the world.

    Have a nice day!
  87. @Eagle Eye
    The USS Liberty incident was not really "hushed up" at all - everyone involved knows and agrees that Israeli jets bombed the USS Liberty in the Red Sea. Indeed, Israel has paid compensation to the families of those killed as a result of its "mistake."

    What nobody wants to talk about is WHY tiny Israel would decide, in the middle of a life-and-death war against its Arab neighbors, to have its IDF jets bomb a US Navy intelligence gathering vessel. Evidently, the decision was made at the highest level with heavy hearts.

    WHY would Israel risk losing its biggest ally in the middle of a war? The obvious answer is that Israel learned that intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel's Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.

    Later dealings between Israel and LBJ are consonant with the hypothesis that a faction within the NSA had been passing military intelligence to the Egyptian side.

    The USS Liberty incident was not really “hushed up”…

    It seems to have been initially.

    What nobody wants to talk about is WHY tiny Israel …

    “Tiny”? It has always been backed by big money and people in power. Don’t even try that “tiny” crap around here if you want even a shred of cred.

    They probably committed the crime so they could blame the attack on the Egyptians. If the ship had been sunk, they’d have probably done exactly that.

    intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel’s Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.

    Here we go again with the never ending wailing about the “existential threat.” Who doesn’t face such threats? “Forcing” Israel??? Yeah the devil made ‘em do it. “So they were forced, were they? The usual excuse is that it was all a big mistake. Which is it?

    Defensive”? Now that’s a hoot.

    Heck, I never even went to spin school and I could make up better silliness than that.

    Keep spinning tho, it’s entertaining.

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  88. L.K says:
    @Eagle Eye
    The USS Liberty incident was not really "hushed up" at all - everyone involved knows and agrees that Israeli jets bombed the USS Liberty in the Red Sea. Indeed, Israel has paid compensation to the families of those killed as a result of its "mistake."

    What nobody wants to talk about is WHY tiny Israel would decide, in the middle of a life-and-death war against its Arab neighbors, to have its IDF jets bomb a US Navy intelligence gathering vessel. Evidently, the decision was made at the highest level with heavy hearts.

    WHY would Israel risk losing its biggest ally in the middle of a war? The obvious answer is that Israel learned that intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel's Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.

    Later dealings between Israel and LBJ are consonant with the hypothesis that a faction within the NSA had been passing military intelligence to the Egyptian side.

    thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure

    Total BS. To begin with, Israel’s “very survival” was hardly at risk during the Six-Day War, a war of aggression initiated by Israel, whose propagandists falsely claim was a “preemptive” war.

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    Sun Tzu said:

    The art of war is of vital importance to the State. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin.
     
    Israel certainly pursued the Six Day War because it believed - rightly or wrongly - that its vital interests required this massive action.

    In the course of this war, Israeli jets admittedly bombed the USS Liberty. Which of the following two hypotheses makes more sense in these circumstances:

    ISRAELI OP TO CUT OFF U.S. INTELLIGENCE TO ARABS: Under this hypothesis, Israel became aware that the USS Liberty was providing superpower grade intelligence to Egypt and other Arab countries, thus potentially nullifying the strategic and tactical advantages of Israel's forces. BY DEFINITION, the U.S. and Egyptian governments know whether such intelligence "sharing" actually occurred.

    ISRAELI FALSE FLAG OP TO EGYPT: This hypothesis posits that Israel attempted to sink the USS Liberty in an attempt to put the blame for the sinking on Egypt.

    It must be remembered that a ship like the Liberty would not sink immediately, and would have had plenty of time to send out radio messages identifying the attackers.

    In addition, U.S. intelligence gathering in Egypt and contemporary radar records would have shown within one or two days that Egypt's airforce had not in fact attacked the USS Liberty. In other words, the risk of immediate exposure of Israeli involvement would have been massive, and a false flag operation along these lines would have had virtually no chance of success.

    CONCLUSION: The "Israeli False Flag" hypothesis is simply not tenable.

  89. L.K says:
    @jacques sheete

    And so it did when the Austrian archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo June 28, 1914 by Serbian ethnonationalist Gavrilo Princip.
     
    Good gawd, Mr B, how can a "premium" historian such as yourself utter such nonsense? It's trite, simplistic and about the dumbest claim a person could make.

    The war was ready to happen and everyone knew it. Any half significant incident would've escalated the hostilities.

    Simply put, the war came because a handful of dipshit knuckleheads in power (as distinct from the people) in Serbia, Russia, France and Britain wanted it. The Great War came (began) long before the deaths in Sarajevo, and to put it any other way just perpetuates the myths and largely exonerates the main evil doers.

    The point is that we'll never make any progress unless we hold accountable those who are responsible. The hothead Princip was nothing more than a small time tool who continues to take the rap, while the real perps remain unknown and the real causes go unexamined.


    In and around the waters of the Persian Gulf, United States warships are harassed by Iranian patrol boats...
     
    With all due respect, sir, but are you nuts???? Who's harassing whom? The very presence of US military ships in Iranian waters constitutes aggressive harassment of Iran by the US.

    Heaven help us.

    PS: McCain needs to be in Guantanamo, and I agree that Rand Paul is correct here.

    Hey Jacques,
    In case you missed, I highly recommend the new book “Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War”, by Scottish historians Gerry Docherty & Jim MacGregor.

    https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-History-Secret-Origins-First/dp/1780576307

    Hidden History uniquely exposes those responsible for World War I. It reveals how accounts of the war’s origins have been deliberately falsified to conceal the guilt of the secret cabal of very rich and powerful men in London responsible for the most heinous crime perpetrated on humanity. For 10 years, they plotted the destruction of Germany as the first stage of their plan to take control of the world. The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand was no chance happening. It lit a fuse that had been carefully set through a chain of command stretching from Sarajevo through Belgrade and St. Petersburg to that cabal in London. Our understanding of these events has been firmly trapped in a web of falsehood and duplicity carefully constructed by the victors at Versailles in 1919 and maintained by compliant historians ever since. The official version is fatally flawed, warped by the volume of evidence they destroyed or concealed from public view. Hidden History poses a tantalizing challenge. The authors ask only that you examine the evidence they lay before you.”

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  90. @Eagle Eye
    The USS Liberty incident was not really "hushed up" at all - everyone involved knows and agrees that Israeli jets bombed the USS Liberty in the Red Sea. Indeed, Israel has paid compensation to the families of those killed as a result of its "mistake."

    What nobody wants to talk about is WHY tiny Israel would decide, in the middle of a life-and-death war against its Arab neighbors, to have its IDF jets bomb a US Navy intelligence gathering vessel. Evidently, the decision was made at the highest level with heavy hearts.

    WHY would Israel risk losing its biggest ally in the middle of a war? The obvious answer is that Israel learned that intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel's Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.

    Later dealings between Israel and LBJ are consonant with the hypothesis that a faction within the NSA had been passing military intelligence to the Egyptian side.

    The version I have lodged without emotion attached doesn’t include the NSA passing on info to the Egyptians – which would go a long way to justifying the attack. But clearly it wasn’t a run of the mill friendly fire blunder.

    What puzzles me about your apparently knowledgeable comment is that you place USS Liberty in the Red Sea. It wasn’t. I suspect you are quite young and doing your bit in the blogosphere on USS Liberty watch!

    I don’t go along with those who object to your use of “tiny” or existential threat to Israel as, at the very least, understandable perceptions by Israelis. When a billion or so people with lots of oil wealth say they want to get rid of you 25 years after Hitler tried to a choice to be a bit paranoid could be said to be wise strategy.

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  91. Eagle Eye says:
    @L.K

    thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure
     
    Total BS. To begin with, Israel's "very survival" was hardly at risk during the Six-Day War, a war of aggression initiated by Israel, whose propagandists falsely claim was a "preemptive" war.

    Sun Tzu said:

    The art of war is of vital importance to the State. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin.

    Israel certainly pursued the Six Day War because it believed – rightly or wrongly – that its vital interests required this massive action.

    In the course of this war, Israeli jets admittedly bombed the USS Liberty. Which of the following two hypotheses makes more sense in these circumstances:

    ISRAELI OP TO CUT OFF U.S. INTELLIGENCE TO ARABS: Under this hypothesis, Israel became aware that the USS Liberty was providing superpower grade intelligence to Egypt and other Arab countries, thus potentially nullifying the strategic and tactical advantages of Israel’s forces. BY DEFINITION, the U.S. and Egyptian governments know whether such intelligence “sharing” actually occurred.

    ISRAELI FALSE FLAG OP TO EGYPT: This hypothesis posits that Israel attempted to sink the USS Liberty in an attempt to put the blame for the sinking on Egypt.

    It must be remembered that a ship like the Liberty would not sink immediately, and would have had plenty of time to send out radio messages identifying the attackers.

    In addition, U.S. intelligence gathering in Egypt and contemporary radar records would have shown within one or two days that Egypt’s airforce had not in fact attacked the USS Liberty. In other words, the risk of immediate exposure of Israeli involvement would have been massive, and a false flag operation along these lines would have had virtually no chance of success.

    CONCLUSION: The “Israeli False Flag” hypothesis is simply not tenable.

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    I think I recall one version of the story (vety likely in or linked to UR) putting the blame on Israeli attempts to conceal the truth about who was doing what and when - a version which relies very much I think on positing that the Six Day War was entirely an Israeli war of choice.

    Against that it might be objected that Israel didn't have to care if the US knew the ruth. But, against that in turn, it might be said that Israel didn't have.that degree of reliable influence over American politics in 1967.

  92. Eagle Eye says:
    @Biff

    McCain should be sent back to Hanoi Hilton.
     
    I've been to the Hanoi Hilton, and the have McCains flight suit displayed in a glass case. He was a little man back then, and only his head and mouth got bigger.
    Sang like bird to get the comfy pillows!

    [McCain] sang like bird to get the comfy pillows!

    Apparently, the North Vietnamese ensured that McCain would not feel lonely on his comfy pillows.

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  93. MEexpert says:
    @Eagle Eye
    The USS Liberty incident was not really "hushed up" at all - everyone involved knows and agrees that Israeli jets bombed the USS Liberty in the Red Sea. Indeed, Israel has paid compensation to the families of those killed as a result of its "mistake."

    What nobody wants to talk about is WHY tiny Israel would decide, in the middle of a life-and-death war against its Arab neighbors, to have its IDF jets bomb a US Navy intelligence gathering vessel. Evidently, the decision was made at the highest level with heavy hearts.

    WHY would Israel risk losing its biggest ally in the middle of a war? The obvious answer is that Israel learned that intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel's Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.

    Later dealings between Israel and LBJ are consonant with the hypothesis that a faction within the NSA had been passing military intelligence to the Egyptian side.

    intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel’s Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.

    It was no defensive measure. It was a blatant attack. The idea was to blame the Arabs for the attack and get more sympathy and help from the US. Defensive measure my foot. The ship was in International waters.

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  94. KenH says:
    @Eagle Eye
    The USS Liberty incident was not really "hushed up" at all - everyone involved knows and agrees that Israeli jets bombed the USS Liberty in the Red Sea. Indeed, Israel has paid compensation to the families of those killed as a result of its "mistake."

    What nobody wants to talk about is WHY tiny Israel would decide, in the middle of a life-and-death war against its Arab neighbors, to have its IDF jets bomb a US Navy intelligence gathering vessel. Evidently, the decision was made at the highest level with heavy hearts.

    WHY would Israel risk losing its biggest ally in the middle of a war? The obvious answer is that Israel learned that intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel's Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.

    Later dealings between Israel and LBJ are consonant with the hypothesis that a faction within the NSA had been passing military intelligence to the Egyptian side.

    The obvious answer is that Israel learned that intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel’s Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.

    That is false and Jewish lies and disinformation. The U.S.S. Liberty was monitoring events of the “six day war” and was believed to have gathered evidence of Israeli atrocities against Egyptians. Israel thought they could sink the Liberty it and blame the Egyptians, thus forcing the U.S. to enter the war to destroy Egypt.

    When the Liberty wouldn’t sink they then phoned Washington and admitted their “terrible mistake” and “case of mistaken identity”.

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  95. annamaria says:
    @Eagle Eye
    The USS Liberty incident was not really "hushed up" at all - everyone involved knows and agrees that Israeli jets bombed the USS Liberty in the Red Sea. Indeed, Israel has paid compensation to the families of those killed as a result of its "mistake."

    What nobody wants to talk about is WHY tiny Israel would decide, in the middle of a life-and-death war against its Arab neighbors, to have its IDF jets bomb a US Navy intelligence gathering vessel. Evidently, the decision was made at the highest level with heavy hearts.

    WHY would Israel risk losing its biggest ally in the middle of a war? The obvious answer is that Israel learned that intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel's Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.

    Later dealings between Israel and LBJ are consonant with the hypothesis that a faction within the NSA had been passing military intelligence to the Egyptian side.

    The USS Liberty incident was a declaration of war. The incident was hushed up; read the testimonies of the survivors. At least your were very clear about the well-known fact that the lives of American citizens (non-Jewish) mean nothing for Israelis. Israel and the Fifth column of Israel-firsters in the US/UK make a dangerous parasitoid on western civilization. It would be much better for the world at large if the admirers of and loyalists to Israel finally congregate in the Middle East and start solving their problems ion their own, away from the western world.

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  96. @Eagle Eye
    Sun Tzu said:

    The art of war is of vital importance to the State. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin.
     
    Israel certainly pursued the Six Day War because it believed - rightly or wrongly - that its vital interests required this massive action.

    In the course of this war, Israeli jets admittedly bombed the USS Liberty. Which of the following two hypotheses makes more sense in these circumstances:

    ISRAELI OP TO CUT OFF U.S. INTELLIGENCE TO ARABS: Under this hypothesis, Israel became aware that the USS Liberty was providing superpower grade intelligence to Egypt and other Arab countries, thus potentially nullifying the strategic and tactical advantages of Israel's forces. BY DEFINITION, the U.S. and Egyptian governments know whether such intelligence "sharing" actually occurred.

    ISRAELI FALSE FLAG OP TO EGYPT: This hypothesis posits that Israel attempted to sink the USS Liberty in an attempt to put the blame for the sinking on Egypt.

    It must be remembered that a ship like the Liberty would not sink immediately, and would have had plenty of time to send out radio messages identifying the attackers.

    In addition, U.S. intelligence gathering in Egypt and contemporary radar records would have shown within one or two days that Egypt's airforce had not in fact attacked the USS Liberty. In other words, the risk of immediate exposure of Israeli involvement would have been massive, and a false flag operation along these lines would have had virtually no chance of success.

    CONCLUSION: The "Israeli False Flag" hypothesis is simply not tenable.

    I think I recall one version of the story (vety likely in or linked to UR) putting the blame on Israeli attempts to conceal the truth about who was doing what and when – a version which relies very much I think on positing that the Six Day War was entirely an Israeli war of choice.

    Against that it might be objected that Israel didn’t have to care if the US knew the ruth. But, against that in turn, it might be said that Israel didn’t have.that degree of reliable influence over American politics in 1967.

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  97. Vladimir says:
    @jacques sheete
    Thank you Sir!

    It sure would be nice to talk with someone like you about such things. Here, in the US, the people who know anything and are willing to discuss it intelligently are pretty much non-existent, but on the other hand, the more ignorant they are, the more they think they have all the answers.

    You are most welcome!

    You can hit me at vgvukovic@gmail.com, I wouldn’t mind answering any questions you have about this corner of the world.

    Have a nice day!

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  98. Svigor says:

    In fact, as we now know, the invasion of Afghanistan was planned prior to 9-11,

    This is neither here nor there. Any competently led military capable of global power projection will have plans to invade every country. That’s what competent militaries do, they plan. For everything. What else have the got to do in peacetime, but plan, train, etc?

    For example, Buchanan annoys the hell out of me with his comments about how European NATO members ‘use’ ZUSA to pay for their ‘security’. This is nonsense as NATO is, in fact, a key instrument of zamerican Imperialism…
    Best regards

    The way you have written this seems to imply that you have highlighted a contradiction, when you have not.

    1. Inaccuracy about Gavrilo Princip, written in the context, represents one of basic lines of Clinton age propaganda: it suggests that Serbian ethnic nationalism caused WW1.

    It’s pretty common knowledge that Europe was a powder keg, waiting to go off, and that Princip & co. were the spark that set it off. Few believe that Princip & co. simply “caused” WWI.

    I have no idea what the rest of your comment has to do with Pat.

    Thanks. I don’t know how to assess the linked GlobalResearch website generally but I didn’t detect any of the obvious signs of crankiness or dishonesty.

    Global Research is crank central. I talked a bit of trash on GR, here on Unz, only to find a few days later that I had been IP blocked from loading any pages at their site. Let that sink in for a moment; I called the site nuts, or the site owner nuts, something like that, and he or one of his cronies read my comment, went back to the site, and blocked me from reading it. Who does that? Who cares enough about some nobody on Unz.com to block him from reading their site altogether?

    A cranky, psychotic sort of person, that’s who.

    WHY would Israel risk losing its biggest ally in the middle of a war? The obvious answer is that Israel learned that intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel’s Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.

    So, it’s definitely (((Eagle Eye))), then. I suspected, but figured you might just be one of those pathetic goy water-carriers for Jews.

    ‘Cause that’s the kind of (((leap of logic))) that only a first class (i.e., Jewish) Zionist gets up to.

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    Your comment regarding having invasion planning done in advance as a matter of course is undermined by the fact of the long time it took to prepare for both Op Desert Storm and the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    The invasion of Afghanistan was certainly planned prior to the attack on the towers. Most likely planning began after negotiations with the Taliban for pipeline transits through Afghanistan broke down during the summer of 2001.

    I would also say that Global Research isn't nutty so much and has some excellent contributors, I read articles there almost daily.

  99. Svigor says:

    I mean, I suppose it kinda makes sense, in a Bizarro World sort of way; trying to prevent me from quoting their site and making fun of it. But only in a Bizarro World kind of way. For one thing, I have like a hundred different ways of getting around an IP ban, if I want to. For another thing, now I don’t have to quote them to make fun of them; I just mention their cranky, psychotic reaction to criticism from some nobody on Unz.com, which is far more embarrassing.

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  100. Incitatus says:
    @syd.bgd
    Sorry, I've been off line.
    So, what's the point in hairsplitting?
    1. Inaccuracy about Gavrilo Princip, written in the context, represents one of basic lines of Clinton age propaganda: it suggests that Serbian ethnic nationalism caused WW1. Since Fritz Fisher world has learned that it is not true, not in archives, not in historical science, not in logic. You see, McCain and likes are using the same principle dealing with Russia. Insinuations and fake news on top of them. You can't go against McCain using his favorite tool.
    2. Someone take a look at the map: what can be seen? There is an area going from Ukraine to Balkans to Syria. Anybody lightly familiar with European history since Ancient Rome understands. Who started war in 1. and 3.? Who wants to, and who can, throw that proverbial match in Balkans again? Sebian ethnonationalism, as suggested? Someone to blame on CNN? Round up usual suspects.
    3. M. Djukanovic of Montenegro is, let me put it on word, a satrap. No wonder McCain likes him: he is friend of Ukrainian Nazis, ISIS leaders, violent crowds who are useful idiots for him and those like him, so he has no problem with that man too.
    4. I've been through that all in 90es: these misrepresentations, and Mr. Buchanan is writing them for a second time in last two articles. It is scary, folks. If this is the best from Trump supporter and conservative, than Clinton and liberals are no worse.

    “Serbian ethnic nationalism caused WW1”

    If one believes Geoffrey Wawro’s ‘A Mad Catastrophe’, the blame for WW1 lies in rotten Austria-Hungary (Vienna was petrified at losing influence over it’s dominions). Even more with ally imperial Germany, ever eager for war. Germany needed an excuse to justify invading and knocking-out France, and then to attack Russia (von Moltke advised it from 1912).

    Princip (a Bosnian student enlisted by the Black Hand – not by the Serbian government) furnished the best excuse. Germany urged Austria-Hungary to issue and reject stern demands. Serbia agreed to the demands but requested the last (an investigation of the assassination) be conducted by an international agency. Austria-Hungary broke-off relations and war ensued.

    The first act of aggression? Germany invades neutral Luxembourg 2 Aug 1914; then invades neutral Belgium two days later. Luxembourg and Belgium. Golly – was it because neutral Luxembourgers and Belgians threatened the Reich?.

    Serbia lost 27.78% of it’s population in WW1. The German Reich lost 4.32%. Austria-Hungary lost 7.93%. Of course then the table was set for the next contest.

    Buchanan is routinely used by those who think the US should never have fought in WW2 (notwithstanding Pearl Harbor 7 Dec 1941 and Germany’s declaration of war 11 Dec 1941). In fact, many on this forum assert Churchill, FDR, and everyone but dear old Adolf started WW2.

    Welcome to Planet Germania.

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  101. @Svigor

    In fact, as we now know, the invasion of Afghanistan was planned prior to 9-11,
     
    This is neither here nor there. Any competently led military capable of global power projection will have plans to invade every country. That's what competent militaries do, they plan. For everything. What else have the got to do in peacetime, but plan, train, etc?

    For example, Buchanan annoys the hell out of me with his comments about how European NATO members ‘use’ ZUSA to pay for their ‘security’. This is nonsense as NATO is, in fact, a key instrument of zamerican Imperialism…
    Best regards
     
    The way you have written this seems to imply that you have highlighted a contradiction, when you have not.

    1. Inaccuracy about Gavrilo Princip, written in the context, represents one of basic lines of Clinton age propaganda: it suggests that Serbian ethnic nationalism caused WW1.
     
    It's pretty common knowledge that Europe was a powder keg, waiting to go off, and that Princip & co. were the spark that set it off. Few believe that Princip & co. simply "caused" WWI.

    I have no idea what the rest of your comment has to do with Pat.

    Thanks. I don’t know how to assess the linked GlobalResearch website generally but I didn’t detect any of the obvious signs of crankiness or dishonesty.
     
    Global Research is crank central. I talked a bit of trash on GR, here on Unz, only to find a few days later that I had been IP blocked from loading any pages at their site. Let that sink in for a moment; I called the site nuts, or the site owner nuts, something like that, and he or one of his cronies read my comment, went back to the site, and blocked me from reading it. Who does that? Who cares enough about some nobody on Unz.com to block him from reading their site altogether?

    A cranky, psychotic sort of person, that's who.

    WHY would Israel risk losing its biggest ally in the middle of a war? The obvious answer is that Israel learned that intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel’s Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.
     
    So, it's definitely (((Eagle Eye))), then. I suspected, but figured you might just be one of those pathetic goy water-carriers for Jews.

    'Cause that's the kind of (((leap of logic))) that only a first class (i.e., Jewish) Zionist gets up to.

    Your comment regarding having invasion planning done in advance as a matter of course is undermined by the fact of the long time it took to prepare for both Op Desert Storm and the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    The invasion of Afghanistan was certainly planned prior to the attack on the towers. Most likely planning began after negotiations with the Taliban for pipeline transits through Afghanistan broke down during the summer of 2001.

    I would also say that Global Research isn’t nutty so much and has some excellent contributors, I read articles there almost daily.

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    The nut is 'svigor'.
    , @William Badwhite
    You confuse planning with executing. Operation Desert Shield (the defense of Saudi Arabia) happened quickly.

    Desert Storm (the "liberation" of Kuwait and the invasion and pacification of Iraq) took a matter of months, most of which was moving over 500,000 U.S. soldiers, Marines, etc and the accompanying logistical tail into place.

    It is common knowledge among even company grade officers from that era that the invasion of Iraq was planned at least a decade prior. As was the invasions that never happened of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. Norman Schwarzkopf received a lot of press and accolades, but for the most part he followed a playbook that had been written years prior.

    Most of those plans are no longer classified. You can find them if you poke around the innerweb enough.
  102. L.K says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Your comment regarding having invasion planning done in advance as a matter of course is undermined by the fact of the long time it took to prepare for both Op Desert Storm and the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    The invasion of Afghanistan was certainly planned prior to the attack on the towers. Most likely planning began after negotiations with the Taliban for pipeline transits through Afghanistan broke down during the summer of 2001.

    I would also say that Global Research isn't nutty so much and has some excellent contributors, I read articles there almost daily.

    The nut is ‘svigor’.

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  103. Svigor says:

    Your comment regarding having invasion planning done in advance as a matter of course is undermined by the fact of the long time it took to prepare for both Op Desert Storm and the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    How so?

    ***

    Hey, if you think the behavior I described isn’t nutty, more power to ya.

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  104. @NoseytheDuke
    Your comment regarding having invasion planning done in advance as a matter of course is undermined by the fact of the long time it took to prepare for both Op Desert Storm and the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    The invasion of Afghanistan was certainly planned prior to the attack on the towers. Most likely planning began after negotiations with the Taliban for pipeline transits through Afghanistan broke down during the summer of 2001.

    I would also say that Global Research isn't nutty so much and has some excellent contributors, I read articles there almost daily.

    You confuse planning with executing. Operation Desert Shield (the defense of Saudi Arabia) happened quickly.

    Desert Storm (the “liberation” of Kuwait and the invasion and pacification of Iraq) took a matter of months, most of which was moving over 500,000 U.S. soldiers, Marines, etc and the accompanying logistical tail into place.

    It is common knowledge among even company grade officers from that era that the invasion of Iraq was planned at least a decade prior. As was the invasions that never happened of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. Norman Schwarzkopf received a lot of press and accolades, but for the most part he followed a playbook that had been written years prior.

    Most of those plans are no longer classified. You can find them if you poke around the innerweb enough.

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    Not confusion, semantics. The execution of the logistical planning for the invasion began before that day in September which was done to manufacture consent for what was already underway.
  105. Ben Frank says:

    Tokyo Rose, Julius Rosenberg,John Walker Jr,Robert Hanssen,Aldrich Ames, John McCain

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  106. @Eagle Eye
    The USS Liberty incident was not really "hushed up" at all - everyone involved knows and agrees that Israeli jets bombed the USS Liberty in the Red Sea. Indeed, Israel has paid compensation to the families of those killed as a result of its "mistake."

    What nobody wants to talk about is WHY tiny Israel would decide, in the middle of a life-and-death war against its Arab neighbors, to have its IDF jets bomb a US Navy intelligence gathering vessel. Evidently, the decision was made at the highest level with heavy hearts.

    WHY would Israel risk losing its biggest ally in the middle of a war? The obvious answer is that Israel learned that intelligence from the USS Liberty was being passed to Israel's Arab enemies, thus endangering the very survival of Israel, and forcing Israel to resort to a desperate and dangerous defensive measure.

    Later dealings between Israel and LBJ are consonant with the hypothesis that a faction within the NSA had been passing military intelligence to the Egyptian side.

    From the USS Liberty survivor’s website:

    http://www.gtr5.com/

    On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.

    The Attack

    After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning. USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter. Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.

    The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded. The ship, a $40-million dollar state-of-the-art signals intelligence platform, was later declared unsalvageable and sold for scrap.

    The Cover Up

    Despite a near-universal consensus that the Israeli attack was made with full knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship, the Johnson administration began an immediate cover-up of this fact. Though administration officers continued individually to characterize the attack as deliberate, the Johnson administration never sought the prosecution of the guilty parties or otherwise attempted to seek justice for the victims. They concealed and altered evidence in their effort to downplay the attack. Though they never formally accepted the Israeli explanation that it was an accident, they never pressed for a full investigation either. They simply allowed those responsible literally to get away with murder.

    In an ongoing effort to reveal the truth about the attack, the USS Liberty Veterans Association has filed with the Secretary of the Army in the manner prescribed by law a detailed, fully documented Report of War Crimes describing the circumstances of the attack on our ship and evidence that it was a crime under international law. In accordance with international law and treaties, the United States is obligated to investigate the allegations. So far, the United States has declined even to acknowledge that the report has been filed. The full text of the report can be found at http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/warcrimes.pdf

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  107. Dube says:
    @Hal9001
    @Paul C
    An American election consists of all of us voting in one form or another.
    Then, all of us lose sight of what's going on, as the political appointees who run the election disappear into a room with a computer. Then, they come out and reveal to us what the computer says are the results of the election.

    With all the focus on the voting machines in the past decade, what everyone has forgotten to look at is the vote counting computers that tell us the results of the election.

    So, its basically the government that comes out and announces the results of the election. These days, does anyone really trust the government?

    After Florida in 2000, I saw someone say how a British election is counted. In the precinct, after the polls close, the dump the ballot boxes out on the table and do a count, in public, of the votes from that precinct. Then, these public counts of paper ballots are phoned in to the regional authority which posts them and tallies them. Anyone who observed the precinct count can make sure the precinct has the right numbers in that regional total.

    How very different that is from 'go home and turn on the tv and the government will tell you what the computer says are the election results.'

    I thought it astonishing that Al Gore conceded the presidential election (prior to changing his mind) on the basis of projections by TV networks. A man supposed to be of presidential caliber relies on TV pronouncements?

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    I felt the same the very moment it occurred. His concession speech was more authentic than any of his campaign speeches. It was a Bush cousin working for Fox that called the election for GWB while the other networks were still calling it for Gore, then suddenly they all switched and fell into line.

    Elections are mere PR exercises for the benefit of the sheeple.
  108. @Dube
    I thought it astonishing that Al Gore conceded the presidential election (prior to changing his mind) on the basis of projections by TV networks. A man supposed to be of presidential caliber relies on TV pronouncements?

    I felt the same the very moment it occurred. His concession speech was more authentic than any of his campaign speeches. It was a Bush cousin working for Fox that called the election for GWB while the other networks were still calling it for Gore, then suddenly they all switched and fell into line.

    Elections are mere PR exercises for the benefit of the sheeple.

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  109. @William Badwhite
    You confuse planning with executing. Operation Desert Shield (the defense of Saudi Arabia) happened quickly.

    Desert Storm (the "liberation" of Kuwait and the invasion and pacification of Iraq) took a matter of months, most of which was moving over 500,000 U.S. soldiers, Marines, etc and the accompanying logistical tail into place.

    It is common knowledge among even company grade officers from that era that the invasion of Iraq was planned at least a decade prior. As was the invasions that never happened of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. Norman Schwarzkopf received a lot of press and accolades, but for the most part he followed a playbook that had been written years prior.

    Most of those plans are no longer classified. You can find them if you poke around the innerweb enough.

    Not confusion, semantics. The execution of the logistical planning for the invasion began before that day in September which was done to manufacture consent for what was already underway.

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  110. @Ron Unz

    I’m trying to picture the sort of man who says of McCain, “now there’s a true American!” The Podhoretzes and the super-cucks. A shitload of globalist oligarchs. Defense industry people. But who else?
     
    C'mon, Svigor... Don't you know that John McCain is the most outstanding military man of his generation, the greatest American hero of the Vietnam War?

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-when-tokyo-rose-ran-for-president/

    It really sounds like you need to watch more TeeVee...

    http://www.unz.com/jpetras/chinas-great-leap-forward-western-frogs-croak-dismay/

    China’s leadership under President Xi Jinping has launched an effective large-scale anti-corruption campaign leading to the arrest or ouster of over 200,000 business and public officials, including billionaires, and top politburo and Central Committee members.

    I find this to be absolutely stunning. Imagine that happening in America.

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  111. Simonsays says:
    @Wally
    Much ado about nothing. McCain has no credibility, in spite of the MSM's efforts to use him.

    McCain is owned. Somebody has got something big on him; so like a puppet attack dog he barks.

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