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“The Western democratic system is hailed by the developed world as near perfect and the most superior political system to run a country,” mocked China’s official new agency.

“However, what’s happening in the United States today will make more people worldwide reflect on the viability and legitimacy of such a chaotic political system.”

There is a worldwide audience for what Beijing had to say about the shutdown of the U.S. government, for there is truth in it.

According to Freedom House, democracy has been in decline for a dozen years. Less and less do nations look to the world’s greatest democracy, the United States, as a model of the system to best preserve and protect what is most precious to them.

China may be a single-party Communist state that restricts freedom of speech, religion and the press, the defining marks of democracy. Yet Beijing has delivered what makes the Chinese people proud — a superpower nation to rival the mighty United States.

Chinese citizens appear willing to pay, in restricted freedoms, the price of national greatness no modern Chinese generation had ever known.

The same appears true of the Russian people.

After the humiliation of the Boris Yeltsin era, Russians rallied to Vladimir Putin, an autocrat 18 years in power, for having retrieved Crimea and restored Russia to a great power that can stand up to the Americans.

Consider those “illiberal” democracies of Central and Eastern Europe — the Czech Republic, Poland, Austria, Hungary.

To preserve their national character and identity, all have chosen to refuse refugees from Africa and the Middle East. And if this does not comport with the liberal democratic values of the EU, so be it.

President Emmanuel Macron said Sunday that if the French had voted at the time Britain did, for Brexit, France, too, might have voted to get out of the European Union.

Why? One reason, and, no, it’s not the economy, stupid.

It is the tribe. As the English wished to remain English, and voted to regain control of their borders, so the French wish to remain who they were and are — whether ruled by a Louis XIV, Napoleon, General de Gaulle or the Fifth Republic.

In these countries, the common denominator is that the nation comes first, and that political system is best which best protects and preserves the unique character of the nation.

Nationalism trumps democratism.

Recall. Donald Trump was not elected because he promised to make America more democratic, but to “make America great again.”

As for the sacred First Amendment right to democratic protest, Trump got a roaring ovation for declaring that NFL players who “take a knee” during the national anthem should be kicked off the field and off the team.

Circling back to the government shutdown, what, at root, was that all about, if not national identity.

ORDER IT NOW

The Democrats who refused to vote to keep the government open did not object to anything in the Republican bill. They objected to what was not in the bill: amnesty for the illegal immigrants known as “dreamers.” It was all about who gets to become an American.

And what is the divisive issue of “open borders” immigration all about, if not the future ethnic composition of the United States?

Consider a few of the issues that have convulsed our country in recent months. White cops. The NFL players’ protests. Desecration and removal of statues of Columbus, Lee, Jackson. The Charlottesville battle of antifa versus the “alt-right.” The “s—hole countries” crack of the president. The weeklong TV tirade of rants against the “racist” Trump.

Are they not all really issues of race, culture and identity?

On campuses, leftist students and faculty protest the presence of right-wing speakers, whom they identify as fascists, racists and homophobes. To radicals, there is no right to preach hate, as they see it, for to permit that is to ensure that hate spreads and flourishes.

What the left is saying is this. Our idea of a moral society is one of maximum ethnic, cultural and religious diversity, and, in the burying of the old wicked America, and the creation of a new better America, we will not accord evil ideas equal rights.

In the old rendering, “Error has no rights!”

That fifth of mankind that is Islamic follows a similar logic.

As there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet, why would we allow inside our societies and nations the propagation of false faiths like Christianity that must inevitably lead to the damnation of many of our children?

“The best test of truth,” said Oliver Wendell Holmes, “is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market.”

But in our world, more and more people believe, and rightly so, that truth exists independent of whether people accept or reject it.

And there are matters, like the preservation of a unique people and nation, that are too important to be left to temporary majorities to decide.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Top says:

    “And there are matters, like the preservation of a unique people and nation, that are too important to be left to temporary majorities to decide.”

    True. And yet I would like to see a poll in any of the Western countries like England, France, US, Canada, etc. where at any one point in time a “temporary majority” agreed to the complete demographic transformation that they now face. It seems to me like “majority” democracy works well for the leaders when it’s aligned with their goals. When it is not – they seem to get their way anyway. Just saying.

    No other system in Western civilization history sought to overthrow their own population in the way democracy does.

  2. Jason Liu says:

    I would hope so.

    Rights and individual liberties are nice things, but they are not the first or only values that matter. Nationalism, hierarchy, order, harmony and true meritocracy are all just as, if not more important.

    If there was a far-left media outlet like Media Matters in China, the government would storm its headquarters and break it up. If there was a George Soros type figure in China, his assets would be frozen and he’d be breaking rocks in a laogai somewhere. These actions are not “democratic”, they violate rights and liberties. And they work. Because nationalism is more important than liberty. This is not a new or uniquely Chinese observation, it’s been known throughout history all over the world.

    Philosophical differences aside, democracy will decline because of demographics alone. There is an HBD factor here. Democratic ideals are very much a white, especially Anglo, phenomenon. Minorities, even urbane and assimilated ones, are much more likely to overlook democratic principals when political conditions favor us. This includes very liberal ones who sing the praises of western values. Few minorities suffer from blind devotion to abstract values the way whites do.

    This means that even if more non-western countries adopt democracy on paper, the decline of the white Anglo population relative to other populations means that the world is headed towards less democracy in practice. I wouldn’t say that de jure democracy would die out anytime soon, but we can expect more democratic countries to turn into governments similar to Turkey, Indonesia, Hungary, or Russia.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Escher
  3. Realist says:

    “Is Democracy on the Way Down?”

    Of course as it always has and always will.

  4. Good grief, PB!

    When has the US ever been anything but a DINO?

    And will someone please tell me what the democracy fetish is all about? In case anyone’s wondering, the “democracy” that we have stinks, and has stunk, for more than a century if not from the beginning.

    The majority of the people wanted no part in the wars of the last century nor do they want any part of those of this one, yet they’ve been repeatedly suckered into them by liars who promised to keep them out, so where’s the democracy?

    But now, sir, the American spirit, assisted by the ropes and chains of consolidation, is about to convert this country into a powerful and mighty empire…

    - Patrick Henry, Thursday, 5 June 1788, Arguments Against Ratification of the Constitution at the Virginia Convention (1788)

    http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/america7_brief/content/multimedia/ch07/documents_04.htm

    The “people” had no part in that abomination either; they were too busy working to pay off debts to even notice, in fact. You call that democracy?

    • Agree: Cloak And Dagger
  5. Part of the problem lies in the fact that democracy abandoned the preserve and protect scheme and sought to become a provider – a role for which it is ill suited.

    Most of the rest of the problems lie in the importation of a new people to replace the old. Demographic transitions are never easy, especially when the new people have little to no tradition of responsibility towards the state.

    Civilization is an unnatural state and must be maintained by either social norms or, temporarily while in decline, a lot of police. We are abandoning the norms and transitioning into a police state.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  6. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Good, old Mr. Buchanan continues to conflate the interests of his countrymen with his cherished U.S. government. Listen as he laments:

    “Yet Beijing has delivered what makes the Chinese people proud — a superpower nation to rival the mighty United States.”

    Mr. Buchanan is far too old and entrenched to see it, but an increasing number of us no longer take pride in gigantic flags stretched across football fields, Stormin’ Norman types in their battle fatigues briefing so-called journalists, and the other moonshine of “the world’s greatest democracy, the United States.”

    The Establishment is losing its grip.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  7. The choice isn’t nationalism or democracy.

    The choice is nationalist democracy, or globalist oligarchy.

    • Agree: Grandpa Charlie
    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
  8. neutral says:

    I certainly hope democracy is going away, democracy is a system of government where the mass media rules (and guess who rules our mass media). It is the worst form of government because it tends to be have the worst types that end up ruling, and by worse the damage that the likes of Merkel or May produce are profoundly more damaging that even Mao or Stalin could achieve. I need to note that I am using the “liberal democracy” definition of democracy like The Economist/Guardian/CNN/Fox News/etc use. The fact is that both Putin and Erdogan have received more genuine electoral votes than the “liberal democracies” do, but they are called undemocratic.

    If the Chinese care about their land then they must crush any rise of democracy, and I mean literally crush, if some proto SJWs try to do a Tianamen square 2.0 uprising you need to volunteer to drive those tanks and crush them. If democracy comes to China it will be far worse than anything before, the Opium Wars, European colonial incursions, Japanese invasion, The Greap Leap, all of these were nothing compared to the danger that liberal democracy poses.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  9. Most of the Founding Fathers were in horror of the Demos; of Democracy. They worked diligently to see we never went that way. Most of what we subscribe to is the mythology we’ve been forced fed for centuries. The rest of the world ignores our jingoism and judges our actions. They are no longer impressed. Learn Mandarin as Ivanka’s kids have done. Might come in handy.

    https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2017/04/18/we-have-always-been-a-right-wing-plutocracy/

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  10. Pat, maybe your mind is a’comin to you now. You’re not supposed to be worried about the failure of democracy. You’re republican, remember? This whole democracy fraud arose among the progressives and was also pushed by Woodrow Wilson, the traitor. They all wanted a democracy because it’s the most easily manipulated form of government that could be foisted on the kind of people who made up America at the time.

    The rule of law, not of men, was the ideal and democracy is the antithesis of that ideal. Democracy has been touted to cover the loss of sovereign rights and “freedom” has been held up as the standard to cover the loss of liberty. Americans have been the victims of this fraud for long enough.

  11. Johann says:

    What democracy? In 2008 the majority of Californians voted by over sixty percent to stop the legalization of same sex marriage. One sodomite federal judge was able to overturn the vote of millions of Californians and establish the legality of same sex marriage. So one federal judge trumps the will of the majority. Fifty years before that many cities, towns and counties with the majority vote of their constituents were able to outlaw pornography from their towns and cities, along comes five Supreme Court justices who declare that producing and distributing pornography is a constitutional right. So the past has always been a joke; in a democracy the majority basically has no say. The majority of Americans did not vote for the Civil War, WWI, WWII, the Korean War, the Vietnam War nor today’s endless wars but they still had them forced on them. The rich and powerful are always in charge, it is time to stop teaching this fairy tale of democracy and civil rights. Corporate oligarchies have always been in charge and always will be and they will continue to crush whoever gets in their way.

  12. KenH says:

    Technically speaking, the original government of the USA was most definitely not a democracy and the founders made no apologies for that. Neither are we just a nation governed by universal abstract ideals that cut across racial, ethnic and religious lines as Lindsey Graham and other elites like to lecture us.

    We now have neither a republic nor a democracy. We’re now a multiracial mobocracy with a Jewish occupied government.

    I’m a supporter of the constitution, but our current constitutional system is incapable of correcting the existential issues affecting descendants of America’s founding racial stocks and other European Americans. For it wasn’t designed to govern every race and religion on the planet, nor is it satisfactory to combat Jewish power and influence.

    It will require a coup d’etat led by pro-white generals, a pro-white dictatorship or secessionist movements to create race based ethnostates around the nation. Nobody should delude themselves into thinking we can vote our way out of this mess since with very few exceptions all Congressman and Senators serve the (((donor class))) and other special interests instead of us deplorables.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  13. Corvinus says:
    @neutral

    “I certainly hope democracy is going away, democracy is a system of government where the mass media rules (and guess who rules our mass media).”

    No, democracy is a system of government where people try to make rules for their society, which includes a number of groups involved, from business owners to labor unions to the media to nationalists.

    “It is the worst form of government because it tends to be have the worst types that end up ruling…”

    No. Any and all governments have had their “worst types” as leaders. It’s the person, not the institution.

    “and by worse the damage that the likes of Merkel or May produce are profoundly more damaging that even Mao or Stalin could achieve.”

    Don’t be absurd. Merkel or May did not use brute force to murder millions of people.

    “The fact is that both Putin and Erdogan have received more genuine electoral votes than the “liberal democracies” do, but they are called undemocratic.”

    Putin is a blood thirsty oligarch.

    “If democracy comes to China it will be far worse than anything before, the Opium Wars, European colonial incursions, Japanese invasion, The Greap Leap, all of these were nothing compared to the danger that liberal democracy poses.”

    You really have gone off the deep end here.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  14. Corvinus says:
    @KenH

    “We now have neither a republic nor a democracy. We’re now a multiracial mobocracy with a Jewish occupied government.”

    No, we are a multiracial, multiethnic representative democracy governed by dysfunctional political parties who are influenced by competing interest groups.

    “I’m a supporter of the constitution, but our current constitutional system is incapable of correcting the existential issues affecting descendants of America’s founding racial stocks and other European Americans.”

    White Americans generally refer to themselves as Americans who are of x or y descent.

    “For it wasn’t designed to govern every race and religion on the planet, nor is it satisfactory to combat Jewish power and influence.”

    Actually, the Founding Fathers built a nation that every race and religion is capable of becoming part of. Life, liberty, and happiness are universal concepts.

    “It will require a coup d’etat led by pro-white generals, a pro-white dictatorship or secessionist movements to create race based ethnostates around the nation.”

    You are dreaming here.

    “Nobody should delude themselves into thinking we can vote our way out of this mess since with very few exceptions all Congressman and Senators serve the (((donor class))) and other special interests instead of us deplorables.”

    It is you who are delusional. Again, if the U.S. is being overrun by darkie hordes who are beholden to their Jewish masters, why don’t you make the first move by leading the charge for a coup d’etat? Do you not owe it to your offspring?

    Thankfully, deep down you know you are not going to do any such thing, as you lack the willpower and manpower to attempt a suicidal mission.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @KenH
  15. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The problem of today’s democracies is they’re really oligarchies.

    If American Democracy had been responsive to the people, it would never have allowed massive invasion by the Third World.

    As it happens, politicians depend on money from big donors. So, even though they’re elected by the the votes of many little fishes, they do the bidding of globalist whales. (But then, the many little fishes get to choose among few well-funded candidates handpicked by the few whales).

    When the elites are bad, they should be removed by democratic process. That’s what true democracy is about.
    But in the West, the opposite has been happening under the New Democracy.
    The whore-politicians and entrenched deep state managerial class,, with full support of media and academia run by super globalists, have been working to replace the masses with new people.

    Just think about the madness. Democracy is about the people replacing bad leaders, but now it’s come to be about the entrenched elites replacing entire peoples.

    As inequality grows and more power/wealth amasses at the top, the elites now have the power to replace the people than people have the power to replace elites.
    Worse,, since people are educated and entertained by media and schools run by elites, even the people have come to welcome their replacement as what democracy is all about. Consider all those white people who voted for globalism with sincere conviction that the Great Replacement is a moral duty of whites.

  16. @Realist

    It is good to see an optimist.

  17. @Johann

    I remember that judges ruling. I was totally amazed. I was even more amazed that there was no demonstration no discussion and no objection from anywhere. I still do not believe that it was possible
    to overrule the will of the people. How come that people who inserted this clause into election were mum.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  18. And there are matters, like the preservation of a unique people and nation, that are too important to be left to temporary majorities to decide.

    So true, Pat. But would it be so hard to openly name that “unique people and nation”?

    Certainly, you can’t be speaking of “Americans,” a polygot, multi-racial, multi-cultural, multi-religious group with little more in common than identical Wal-marts down the road.

    I believe that you mean that glorious European mutt that built a truly special society, but you seem reluctant to just come out and say it.

  19. Is democracy on the way down? Unfortunately not although we would be better off if it was.

    The only thing in the article on which I disagree, is that rather than America regressing from an ideal state of democracy, it has in fact progressed to what has become close to an ideal democracy, resulting in mob rule leading to the most predictble results imaginable.

    The unraveling of American society, as we knew it, is a direct result of democracy having matured to its purest form. As is daily demonstrated by the rabble of society having equal or more rights and priviledges than the most educated and responsible members of society.

    Contrary what school text books have drilled into the heads of American school children, the Founding Fathers did not create a democracy. What they created was a Democratic Constitutional Republic where every man’s rights to life, liberty and property was recognized and protected by laws agreed upon by well educated, well informed property holders with a legitimate stake in deciding laws affecting society as a whole. Not a Democracy where every man’s life, liberty & property is at the mercy of an ignorant mob exercising the same rights and privileges as responsible members of society.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  20. @Carroll Price

    I would say that it’s more a case of a ruling class using their media to create a false consensus which is then used as a pretext for whatever action the government takes. Flooding the media with false memes that support one or another course of government action and calling it ‘the will of the people” is an old con game that should have become apparent to more people than it has.

    That gives the appearance of mob rule without the mob actually having had a say.

    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
  21. J. D. says:


    On the way up (In Ohio) with Mr.Kucinich!

  22. @Corvinus

    No, democracy is a system of government where people try to make rules for their society, which includes a number of groups involved, from business owners to labor unions to the media to nationalists.

    Societies form as a result of people coming together under the guidance of common understandings and interests and societies arise prior to government. No government is needed to have a society.

    “The primitive state is the creation of warlike robbery; and only by warlike robbery can it be preserved.”
    - Franz Oppenheimer, The State [1919] , Chap II,(d) the primitive feudal state of higher grade

    http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=1662&Itemid=99999999

    “Almost all the governments, which exist at present, or of which there remains any record in history, have been founded originally, either on usurpation or conquest, or both, without any pretence of a fair consent, or voluntary subjection of the people.”
    David Hume, “On Government” (1777)

    http://lf-oll.s3.amazonaws.com/titles/2472/Hume_OnGovernment1777.pdf

    “…and when it was finally discovered that more profit was to be gained by enslaving the weak and systematically exploiting their productive capacities, instead of spoiling and destroying, this discovery opened a new and fruitful era of progress, for it involved the formation of political States.”
    - Gustave de Molinari, The Society of Tomorrow [1899]
    Part II: Chapter XV Summary and Conclusion – Gustave de Molinari, The Society of Tomorrow [1899]
    Edition used: The Society of Tomorrow: A Forecast of its Political and Economic Organization, ed. Hodgson Pratt and Frederic Passy, trans. P.H. Lee Warner (New York: G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 1904).
    oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=228&chapter=36940&layout=html&Itemid=27#a_1585595

    Some writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness positively by uniting our affections, the latter negatively by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.

    Thomas Paine, Common Sense, CHAPTER 4

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Corvinus
  23. Miro23 says:

    Is Democracy on the Way Down?

    Another question is, “Is the US a Democracy?”

    No it’s not. A real Democracy is rather like a family in its basic unity, having their differences, talking things through, listening to different opinions, and finally deciding what to do against a background of basic unity and identity.

    The US doesn’t have that basic unity and identity.

    The modern US was founded by dissidents who left their communities in Europe for economic advantage overseas , and the US is low on citizenship and high on making money. I remember a tourist ferry trip round Manhattan in the early 1970′s, where the tour guide spent most of the time pointing out apartments, and detailing what prices they sold for. Coming from Europe, I remember finding this very odd.

    50 years later things don’t seem to have changed. The US is the place where “citizens” have morphed into “consumers” (i.e. you are defined more by what you buy and consume than any idea of community) and where the heroes are the plutocrats amassing grotesque amounts of money.

    So, what matters in the US is getting rich. It’s a place that only works while it delivers economic growth. And if that fails, then it quickly falls apart since there is no other glue holding it together. It’s like a failed business that shuts its doors with the ex employees going their separate ways.

    If community fails, and everyone is out for themselves, then you get the uniquely awful world described in Colin Turnbull’s famous work of sociology, “The Mountain People” https://www.amazon.com/Mountain-People-Colin-M-Turnbull/dp/0671640984/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1516768532&sr=1-1&keywords=the+mountain+people

    He (Turnbull) shows a society with loose co-operation for hunting, and weak family bonds, that are insufficient to meet the new challenges that the tribe faces. Survival becomes a personal affair. Food is no longer shared. Men hunt what they can and eat it far from the village and women collect only for themselves.

    Starvation sets in, and children and old people die as they are not fed, the tribe becomes known for its cattle thieving among the neighbouring groups. The thieving becomes intense among themselves, and Turnbull interestingly shows how this becomes the new norm. Honesty becomes foolishness, and lying becomes an art, with Turnbull as the main target ( he had a Land Rover, cigarettes and plenty of food ).

  24. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    Even though you’re engaging someone who I believe to be one of the better pranksters on this little society, thanks for pulling these together. (And for endorsing my #6.)

    Paine was a great thinker and writer. It would surprise me if he is so much as mentioned in any of today’s standard government school textbooks.

  25. Democracy-Schmocracy … The US strayed long ago from being a Federal Republic where the interests of local polities were represented at a national or international level. If I didn’t like the way New Yorkers were running New York, I was free to go somewhere else. Now, democracy-mavens are telling me that if enough New Yorkers et al of a similar mind outvote enough people in the other states of a different mind, then tough bananas, because we are all going to have to live under the tyranny of the majority. If I don’t like it, I’m free to leave the coutry, at least for now; the US seems to enjoy telling the rest of the world how to live nowadays.

    I like democracy when practised on a very local level, like in a town hall where I can directly call BS on my neighbour or be called out when I’m uttering BS.

    Beyond that, I expect my representatives to be honest brokers who respect our local values and articulate them as ideas to the representatives of people in other states, and not try to impose on me and my neighbours the values of the mob in NY, CA, etc. as “best practises” or values we should all embrace.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  26. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    You were gone awhile; now you’re back. It was nice. What happened, lose your job again and have to go back to the troll farm?

    We’re here for you, bro. Solidarity all the way!

  27. @Robert Magill

    You’re right. A world dominated by China is on balance a depressing prospect. But it is also an increasingly plausible one.

    Hence our children are learning Mandarin.

  28. @The Alarmist

    Adherence to the Tenth Amendment would yield a country that is a lot more like what you are looking for. Most issues that are decided, or partially decided, by the federal government / Congress, are supposed to be decided at the State level or lower.

  29. @John Gruskos

    “The choice isn’t nationalism or democracy.

    The choice is nationalist democracy, or globalist oligarchy.”

    What’s the difference? Both are uncompromising enemies of freedom and in that sense, size doesn’t matter.

  30. MarkinLA says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    What was even worse was the dipshit decision by the SCOTUS that the backers of Prop 8 had no standing in the case. Here you had a group that spent a lot of time and money getting the proposition on the ballot and won. Then some federal judge decides it is unconstitutional and the state refuses to defend it in federal court like they should have been obliged to. The California Supreme Court allows the backers of the proposition to defend it – that right there should have conferred standing. The case goes to all the way to the SCOTUS without standing (because they weren’t “harmed”even though they spent millions and woked thoudands of hours on the campaign) ever being mentioned by the lower courts and only at SCOTUS is it brought up to dodge having to make a decision.

    No matter what side of the issue you are on, this just shows US federal courts are a joke.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  31. @Twodees Partain

    You’re missing the real mob in the room: all the people who want government. They are to blame.

    The world won’t become a better place until people possess the morality of what’s wrong for one person to do is wrong for a mob to do. A design flaw currently prevents that from occurring.

  32. @Johann

    I was surprised that the sodomite judge wasn’t found dead in a ditch with a suicide note saying that he’d been offered sexual favors if he voted the right way.

    That should be enough for a retrial.

    Four or five of those a month would probably help a fair amount.

  33. Corvinus says:
    @jacques sheete

    “Societies form as a result of people coming together under the guidance of common understandings and interests and societies arise prior to government.”

    Which you seem to believe that I thought otherwise. Typical strawman on your part. The point is that any form of government is not inherently good or bad; the people of a society who are its leaders make it so. Society is the result of a group of people who desire something. As a result, they form a system to ensure that what they desire will be protected–hence, there is a government that consists of those members of a society. Now, what is desired by the people may be constructive or destructive. Government is other than a necessary evil, but it is a necessity to deliver that society from evil.

  34. KA says:

    FBI is missing it’s records of a period spanning 5 months . That is the news . FOX is upset . FOX also talks of deep state, of secret group , and of conspiracy.

    How far has America traveled since 911 ! Remember those days when CIA was losing the interrogation tapes. One of those tapes was supposed to have clinched the admission by Sheikh ( ? ) of his /hijacker insolvent in 911 . But it was conspiracy to raise the red flag about it back then .

    FOX has interviewed Assange and has found Snowden providing badly needed facts that are not forthcominng from domestic press or government.
    With FOX , America has come a ,one way .

    This is what contradictions do to the country . This is what illegal wars do to the country. It frays and shreds the system . CIA/FBI busy with doing same things that they have done for years abroad .

    Is it the proverbial Chicken coming home to roost ? May be 1% will destroy itself by the jockeying of the increasing number of contenders for a place on the shrinking pie . May be it will destroy itself with hubris and by its own sense of disconnected reality .

  35. @MarkinLA

    They are no joke!!!! They are terrorists. They actively work on destruction of US.

  36. nickels says:

    Search ‘Princeton America Oligarchy’.

  37. @Jason Liu

    “There is an HBD factor here. Democratic ideals are very much a white, especially Anglo, phenomenon.”

    I think it’s that those traits which are an advantage in a European population become a disadvantage when others come and “game” us.

    Cultural Left in 1970 – “The true test of a democracy is that it can allows unpopular and even unpleasant ideas to be articulated in the public space

    Cultural Left in power, 2017 – “Some ideas are dangerous and must be crushed“.

  38. MEexpert says:

    “Is democracy on the way down?”

    What kind of question is that from Pat? What democracy? I thought we were a Republic? Democracy was on a life support from the beginning.

  39. KenH says:
    @Corvinus

    No, we are a multiracial, multiethnic representative democracy governed by dysfunctional political parties who are influenced by competing interest groups.

    No, that’s what Jews and their money grubbing goy lackeys have transformed this nation into. What we’ve become is not what the founders and earlier generations of Americans intended us to be, but you ignore facts that don’t fit your agenda.

    Whites are the only group who have no representation at any level. If you disagree then name one politician who claims to champion the rights of the dispossessed white majority and just one government policy specifically crafted for whites or one where whites are intended to reap the most benefit (cue the Jeopardy music).

    White Americans generally refer to themselves as Americans who are of x or y descent.

    When were you anointed spokesman for all white people? How do you know what they all think and how they identify themselves?

    Actually, the Founding Fathers built a nation that every race and religion is capable of becoming part of. Life, liberty, and happiness are universal concepts.

    LOL. Perhaps in theory but in practice it hasn’t worked out that way. Most hail from nations that are intensely tribalistic with despotic and autocratic governments and that’s what we’ll get when their numbers vastly increase. As an anti-racist troll your mind is impervious to facts and realities on the ground. All you know is talking points and slogans.

    You are dreaming here.

    Doesn’t matter as that’s what it will take regardless of the probability. However, secession presents much better prospects then people think and the number of Americans of all races and from both sides of the political spectrum want to go their own way. Secessionist sentiment is high in California, Texas and the Western mountain states. It’s only a matter of time.

    It is you who are delusional. Again, if the U.S. is being overrun by darkie hordes who are beholden to their Jewish masters,

    85% of the 1.1 million legal immigrants are non-white. 98% of illegal alien entrants are non-European. Mainstream publications and politicians are loudly and proudly celebrating the browning of America. America’s future demography does not favor a whiteout. But we should all calm down because we are not being overrun by darkie hordes, all evidence to the contrary?

    You’re not entitled to your own facts, corvinky.

    Thankfully, deep down you know you are not going to do any such thing, as you lack the willpower and manpower to attempt a suicidal mission.

    I never even suggested any kind of suicide mission or showdown with the government, but nice try trying to put words into my mouth.

  40. @Realist

    So true. The leading problem with democracy is that, historically, it never lasts very long. It sounds great in theory, but it’s just not a practical or workable system of government. Think about it: whatever happened to ancient Rome and Athens? Answer: the same thing that just happened. to us.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  41. Corvinus says:

    “No, that’s what Jews and their money grubbing goy lackeys have transformed this nation into.”

    No, it’s what Americans from different races and ethnicities on their own willful accord transformed this nation into.

    “What we’ve become is not what the founders and earlier generations of Americans intended us to be, but you ignore facts that don’t fit your agenda.”

    The Founding Fathers enabled future generations to set their own course. There wasn’t any hard rule that newcomers had to be only from northern/western Europe unconditionally and perpetually. Certainly at the time it made sense. But the citizens of our great land enabled different groups of people to come here.

    “Whites are the only group who have no representation at any level.”

    That would be Fake News on your part, considering whites consist of the majority of officials at the local, state, and national level. Try again.

    “If you disagree then name one politician who claims to champion the rights of the dispossessed white majority and just one government policy specifically crafted for whites or one where whites are intended to reap the most benefit (cue the Jeopardy music).”

    Donald Trump.

    “When were you anointed spokesman for all white people? How do you know what they all think and how they identify themselves?”

    You are projecting here, as it actually you who insist that you represent the interests of “true whites”.

    “Most hail from nations that are intensely tribalistic with despotic and autocratic governments and that’s what we’ll get when their numbers vastly increase.”

    That is observably false.

    “However, secession presents much better prospects then people think and the number of Americans of all races and from both sides of the political spectrum want to go their own way. Secessionist sentiment is high in California, Texas and the Western mountain states. It’s only a matter of time.”

    I’ll wait for the movie to come out.

    “I never even suggested any kind of suicide mission or showdown with the government, but nice try trying to put words into my mouth.”

    Of course you never suggested it. But if you are so convinced about this “browning of America”, then why are you letting this cancer spread? If secession is now on the table, will it not require the spilling of blood in the end?

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @KenH
  42. Corvinus says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    “The leading problem with democracy is that, historically, it never lasts very long. It sounds great in theory, but it’s just not a practical or workable system of government. ”

    Governments are not inherently corrupt. It is the people who make it impractical or unworkable.

  43. KenH says:
    @Corvinus

    Yawn. So when are you moving to Haiti, Corvinky?

  44. KenH says:
    @Corvinus

    Donald Trump.

    The same Donald Trump who said he wanted to be the champion of black America and support anti-white affirmative action? The same Donald Trump and members of his administration who said they are committed to reducing unemployment among blacks and Latinos? The same Donald Trump who signed a resolution in 2017 condemning the alt-right and white nationalists?

  45. Johnj says:

    The word democracy is empty unless it means representation of the majority and their interests. Since off-shoring of jobs was done without consulting the majority the US cannot be considered to be a democracy. There are other issues that prove the US is an oligarchy.

  46. Escher says:
    @Jason Liu

    “Illiberal democracy” is the rule more than the exception. Most countries do not suffer fools to the extent that western democracies do.
    In fact, with the rise of Antifa and BLM, you could say the same about the West.

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