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“The president has said that he does not want to see this country involved in endless wars… I agree with that,” Bernie Sanders told the Fox News audience at Monday’s town hall meeting in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

Then turning and staring straight into the camera, Bernie added:

“Mr. President, tonight you have the opportunity to do something extraordinary: Sign that resolution. Saudi Arabia should not be determining the military or foreign policy of this country.”

Sanders was talking about a War Powers Act resolution that would have ended U.S. involvement in the five-year civil war in Yemen that has created one of the great humanitarian crises of our time, with thousands of dead children amidst an epidemic of cholera and a famine.

Supported by a united Democratic Party on the Hill, and an anti-interventionist faction of the GOP led by Sens. Rand Paul and Mike Lee of Utah, the War Powers resolution had passed both houses of Congress.

But 24 hours after Sanders urged him to sign it, Trump, heeding the hawks in his Cabinet and National Security Council, vetoed S.J.Res.7, calling it a “dangerous attempt to weaken my constitutional authorities.”

With sufficient Republican votes in both houses to sustain Trump’s veto, that should be the end of the matter.

It is not: Trump may have just ceded the peace issue in 2020 to the Democrats. If Sanders emerges as the nominee, we will have an election with a Democrat running on the “no-more-wars” theme Trump touted in 2016. And Trump will be left defending the bombing of Yemeni rebels and civilians by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia.

Does Trump really want to go into 2020 as a war party president?

Does he want to go into 2020 with Democrats denouncing “Trump’s endless wars” in the Middle East? Because that is where he is headed.

In 2008, John McCain, leading hawk in the Senate, was routed by a left-wing first-term senator from Illinois, Barack Obama, who had won his nomination by defeating the more hawkish Hillary Clinton, who had voted to authorize the war in Iraq.

In 2012, the Republican nominee Mitt Romney, who was far more hawkish than Obama on Russia, lost.

Yet, in 2016, Trump ran as a different kind of Republican, an opponent of the Iraq War and an anti-interventionist who wanted to get along with Russia’s Vladimir Putin and get out of these Middle East wars.

Looking closely at the front-running candidates for the Democratic nomination of 2020 — Joe Biden, Sanders, Kamala Harris, Beto O’Rourke, Pete Buttigieg, Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker — not one appears to be as hawkish as Trump has become.

Trump pulled us out of the nuclear deal with Iran negotiated by Secretary of State John Kerry and reimposed severe sanctions.

He declared Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization, to which Iran has responded by declaring U.S. Central Command a terrorist organization. Ominously, the IRGC and its trained Shiite militias in Iraq are in close proximity to U.S. troops.

ORDER IT NOW

Trump has recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, moved the U.S. Embassy there, closed the consulate that dealt with Palestinian affairs, cut off aid to the Palestinians, recognized Israel’s annexation of the Golan Heights seized from Syria in 1967, and gone silent on Bibi Netanyahu’s threat to annex Jewish settlements on the West Bank.

Sanders, however, though he stands by Israel, is supporting a two-state solution and castigating the “right-wing” Netanyahu regime.

Trump has talked of pulling all U.S. troops out of Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet the troops are still there.

Though Trump came into office promising to get along with the Russians, he sent Javelin anti-tank missiles to Ukraine and announced a pullout from Ronald Reagan’s 1987 INF treaty that outlawed all land-based intermediate-range nuclear missiles.

When Putin provocatively sent 100 Russian troops to Caracas — ostensibly to repair the S-400 anti-aircraft and anti-missile system that was damaged in recent blackouts — Trump, drawing a red line, ordered the Russians to “get out.”

Biden is expected to announce next week. If the stands he takes on Russia, China, Israel and the Middle East are more hawkish than the rest of the field, he will be challenged by the left wing of his party, and by Sanders, who voted “no” on the Iraq War that Biden supported.

The center of gravity of U.S. politics is shifting toward the Trump position of 2016. And the anti-interventionist wing of the GOP is growing.

And when added to the anti-interventionist and anti-war wing of the Democratic Party on the Hill, together, they are able, as on the Yemen War Powers resolution, to produce a new bipartisan majority.

Prediction: By the primaries of 2020, foreign policy will be front and center, and the Democratic Party will have captured the “no-more-wars” political high ground that Candidate Donald Trump occupied in 2016.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. ‘Prediction: By the primaries of 2020, foreign policy will be front and center, and the Democratic Party will have captured the “no-more-wars” political high ground that Candidate Donald Trump occupied in 2016.’

    Here’s my prediction: by 2020, Trump, in an attempt to escape from this quandary, will have actually started the war.

    It won’t work, but we’ll still be in the war.

    • Agree: The scalpel
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  2. anon[423] • Disclaimer says:

    Stealing? Trump gave it away.

    • Agree: Bubba
  3. Quote”Mr. President, tonight you have the opportunity to do something extraordinary: Sign that resolution. Saudi Arabia should not be determining the military or foreign policy of this country.”

    Reply: Oh, c’mon, Bernie. You’re being very dishonest when you let your tribal bonds rule your judgment and thus leave out the true captain up there in the wheel house, the monstrous Apartheid State.

    From a man who turned around and told his disciples to now endorse HRC, like you did, I’d expected nothing less. You’re still a phony.

  4. Realist says:

    Prediction: By the primaries of 2020, foreign policy will be front and center, and the Democratic Party will have captured the “no-more-wars” political high ground that Candidate Donald Trump occupied in 2016.

    Perhaps, but the Deep State will not allow no-more-wars to become a reality. War is a crucial power tool and money maker for the Deep State. Anyone who truly wants no more wars will never be President.

  5. RVBlake says:

    If U. S. troops were not in Iraq the IRGC and its trained Shiite militias would not be in ominous proximity to them.

  6. (((BERNIE))) is full of shit…he is onboard with war against Christian Russia….(((HE))) has even stated that war with Christian Russia is a last resort option if economic sanctions don’t work in pressuring Russia to hand over Crimea to Ukraine…..

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @follyofwar
  7. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    Why would Mr. Buchanan recount all of these broken campaign promises without stating the obvious: that national politics is an endless Red/Blue puppet show to channel and blow off dissent in order to allow Exceptionalia to reign undisturbed?

    Because he has a sweet gig playing stage hand Right, that’s why, telling gulled Americans that they must vote GOP in order to save their country from socialism, etc. Every election, judicial nomination/confirmation, and other scene in the Washington play is pivotal.

    Dessicated baloney.

  8. KenH says:

    Saudi Arabia should not be determining the military or foreign policy of this country.”

    And neither should Israel but no Democrat candidate has the guts to boldly state that.

    Trump has talked of pulling all U.S. troops out of Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet the troops are still there.

    Not one troop has come home as far as I can tell. Troops won’t be able to leave Syria unless Bibi allows his American satrap, Donald J. Trump, to withdraw them, which of course means never. Trump promised to end wars and bring the troops home throughout the campaign and around xmas 2018, but it’s clear he’s a liar and a fraud or is so weak with shallow convictions that he’s easily talked out of his America first plans by Mr. mustache, Jared, Bibi and his coterie of neo-con crazies he’s surrounded himself with.

    By the primaries of 2020, foreign policy will be front and center

    Which means mass immigration and the race replacement of the founding racial stock will continue unabated.

    In 2020, I believe Trump will pivot away from immigration and America first foreign policy and remake himself as a crusader against anti-semitism and socialism which will be a recipe for an electoral wipeout of the Republicans similar to 2008.

    • Replies: @RVBlake
  9. KenH says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    (((BERNIE))) is full of shit

    Yes. Bernie will do whatever his fellow Jews tell him to do if elected president.

  10. alexander says:

    Dear Pat,

    You need to wake up and smell the roses.

    EVERY SINGLE CANDIDATE WITH “NO MORE WARS” AS HIS LEAD POLICY PLATFORM HAS WON THE PRESIDENCY SINCE 2009.

    Have you somehow forgotten that Obama was the ONLY candidate who voted AGAINST the Iraq war in 2003….Have you somehow forgotten that Obama was preemptively awarded the “Nobel Peace Prize”, in the HOPE he would end all our stupid wars ?

    Yet look what happened….

    Under his “Peace Prize” administration…….we got , not one , but THREE NEW WARS….

    We got the “Libya fiasco”….The “Syria catastrophe”..and the “Yemen disaster “…..all on top of the (eternal) train wreck of the never ending Afghanistan occupation.

    As soon as a “peace candidates” administration enters the “beltway bubble” everything seems to contort, twist and realign toward MORE WAR….MORE CARNAGE…..AND MORE HEINOUS DEBT for the taxpayers.

    Please show me how the “No more wars” Trump administration is proving to be any different than the “No more wars” Obama administration, on this issue.

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @The scalpel
  11. @KenH

    Type Bernie Crimea into your search engine…c0mes right up on (((BERNIES))) positions page:WAR IS AN OPTION WITH RUSSIA if sanctions fail…..

    (((BERNIE))) has open genocidal intent towards THE HISTORIC NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN WORKING CLASS MAJORITY…….Generally speaking….Richard Spencer should have leveled this charge against the Democratic Party from day one instead of doing the radical cool thing…..and dopey movie reviews….

  12. Party politics aside, it is essential the US does not walk blindly into the war it needs to avoid. Historically, nations’ actions are driven by core interests; whether those interests are best served by interventionism or non-interventionism. The pattern of history shows the pursuit of interest so often leads states into the very war they seek to avoid. Leaders and decision-makers delude themselves, thinking they can avoid that war of self-destruction, that it can be limited in scale or even won. But history always proves them wrong.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/
    The party that can best service US interests without plunging the world into nuclear war will hold the title, ‘party of peace’ – be above party.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  13. I would like for someone to tell me the last time a candidate who became a president upheld any campaign promises, and I’m not talking compromised half measures, especially when it comes to foreign wars and interventions.

    Sound of crickets chirping, paint drying, and grass growing…

    https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-Ptrdqduwzm0%2FUZQQ1nBWiiI%2FAAAAAAAAM4Q%2FpL0wPjwHg_U%2Fs1600%2FBuy%2B4%2BPoliticians%2C%2BGet%2BOne%2BFree.gif&f=1

  14. RVBlake says:
    @KenH

    Trump decided to pull troops out of Syria allegedly on the strength of a phone chat with Erdogan. In the meantime not only have none been withdrawn, but he has moved more into Syria from Iraq. Similarly, he decided to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights during a phone call with the U. S. ambassador to Israel. His phone privileges need to be curtailed. I can envision a U.S. invasion of Venezuela based on a phone chat with the president of Colombia. He seems to have the decision-making gravitas of a 14-year old girl.

  15. Bliss says:

    Tulsi Gabbard is the real deal when it comes to “no more wars”. The others would probably change their tune when elected, as Trump has done.

    That’s why the media is ignoring her. She has qualified for the debates though, thanks to grassroots support. So the American public will get a look at her despite the media’s attempt to keep her hidden.

    I predict Gabbard will get a bump from the debates. And so will Andrew Yang. These are the 2 candidates who look to have the most integrity. Both have a fan base in the right-wing as well. But is America ready for a Hindu woman or a Chinese man in the White House?

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @The scalpel
  16. yurivku says:

    When Putin provocatively sent 100 Russian troops to Caracas

    The author is brainless exeptionalist (moron). Open your eyes, may be you’ll see the real provocateur who appointed nonentity Guaido a president.
    Just f*ck off Venezuela.

  17. @Colin Wright

    That’s my biggest fear. I’m holding my breath that Pompeo/Bolton (two Clowns in Clown World) won’t manage to convince their ostensible boss to push the button on Teheran for Bibi’s sake. BTW, are Trump’s mental faculties crumbling, or is it just my imagination?

  18. @War for Blair Mountain

    Bottom line, Bernie hates Russia (the place of his honeymoon when it was still the USSR) because it is no longer Communist – the failed Marxist ideology which Bernie has never grown out of, as most serious people do when they become adults.

  19. @peter mcloughlin

    You are assuming that the US is acting in its “core interests,” Peter. But seems to me the vice of Israeli control of Washington has been growing tighter and tighter, like a boa constrictor, ever since the day that Truman recognized it – against his better judgment, I’ve read. I fail to see how any of the wars since 9/11 have been fought for American interests.

    • Replies: @RVBlake
  20. Rurik says:

    Open your eyes, may be you’ll see the real provocateur who appointed nonentity Guaido a president

    now that the ‘Russia hacked our election’ idiocy has run its course, we’re now all being subjected to the next idiocy, and that is that it doesn’t actually matter if there was any official collusion or not, because the ‘collusion’ is de-facto collusion. Because Trump’s supporters want the same thing Putin does. The new narrative is that anyone who wants any of these things are Putin’s stooges and agents by default.

    Rapprochement between Russia and the US

    And end of the genocidal invasion of the West

    Honoring our Christian heritage

    No more sabre rattling at Iran

    No more slavish, murderous fealty to all things Zion

    Peace

    Gender

    Prosperity and happiness…

    In other words, another Holocaust

    So that’s what it boils down to. Bernie does his best Kapo impersonation, to impress the doomed goyim, and make them believe there’s alternative to Endless Wars for Zion.

    But it’s all a ruse, and under Bernie we’ll get the wars, make no mistake. But at least we’ll be able to vote against them, and perhaps that’s something.

    And by unceremoniously tossing Trump out on his treasonous arse, it will send a message that these scum will only get one term if they serve the fiend over the interests of their nation and people.

    Trump wants a second term. He would kill for it. We the people need to make that impossible unless he ends the wars.

    There are two issues of critical consequence; immigration and the Eternal Wars.

    Both of these issues are being driven by Jewish supremacist$ at the direct (and existential) expense of the (especially White) people of America, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Muslim victims of these Satanic wars.

    As long as Trump serves the J-supremacists, (and he does ; ) he is our most dire enemy. Only the worst cretin on the planet would pull the lever for a man who would sacrifice their children to benefit their most deadly enemy.

    By serving the fiend, Trump is our greatest enemy. (And the enemy of mankind, truth, honor, peace and simple human decency).

    Which way Mr. President?

    Bibi and the genocidal, murderous cabal of Jewish supremacists?

    Or the American people.

    You can *NOT* serve both.

    Bernie in 2020!

    • Replies: @Realist
  21. Pat says “Biden is expected to announce next week.” I hadn’t heard that, but am SO looking forward to the coming circular firing squad, and to the parade of women that Uncle Joe has groped.

    It will be two VERY OLD white men as the leading candidates. Something tells me that there is a large base of restive young democrat voters who will not be too enthralled with those options.

    In the first nationwide poll, young Mayor Pete (who can pronounce his last name?) has now shoved Beto and Kamala aside, and is now in third place behind those two dinosaurs. All that the Dem voters know about him is that he is openly gay, so he is forgiven for being white. But, in itself, being gay is worth a solid base of at least ten percent to build on, regardless of whatever other positions he takes. He’s smart and a veteran, and the media just adores him, like a cute little puppy.

    Could it be Pete’s Posse vs Trump’s Trainwreck in 2020? Isn’t Clown World fun?

  22. RVBlake says:
    @follyofwar

    I read the opposite regarding Truman’s attitude to Israel. Read that he insisted on recognition despite the warning of associates like George Marshall, etc.

  23. Galan says:

    Hawkish or no hawkish, how many American presidents didn’t go to war?

  24. Realist says:
    @Bliss

    Tulsi Gabbard is the real deal when it comes to “no more wars”. The others would probably change their tune when elected, as Trump has done.

    There is no reason to believe Gabbard is the real deal…..that’s what people thought about Trump.

  25. Realist says:
    @Rurik

    now that the ‘Russia hacked our election’ idiocy has run its course,…

    Don’t be too sure of that. Even Fox News, including Tucker, are acceping that Russia hacked our elections because all the intelligence agencies said so. You know those agencies that tried to illegally overthrow our government. Selective verisimilitude.

    There are two issues of critical consequence; immigration and the Eternal Wars.

    Absolutely. Unfortunetly those are uncompromising positions of the Deep State. War is their source of power (hegemony) and wealth. Immigration is their solution to eliminate opposition to their unelected power….sadly there is not much opposition now.

    Your comments are great.

  26. Realist says:

    When Putin provocatively sent 100 Russian troops to Caracas

    Only a dumbass would think it fine to send thousands of US troops around Russia’s border, but provocative for Russia to send 100 troops to Venezuela, this shows irrepressible hypocrisy.

    Buchanan is a befuddled old man.

  27. nsa says:

    Why settle for a crypto jew like trumpstein when you can have a real jew like bernie?

  28. The elephant in the room—the 95 million out-of-the-laborforce citizens and the half of all citisens who are only working part time—will resurface to dominate 2020, just like it did in the midterms, when most of Trump’s cross-over voters did not turn out, seeing that Trump did nothing to curtail illegal / legal immigration. Trump increased legal immigration, audaciously, with the legal immigrants snagging most of the newly created jobs.

    It’ll come out in all kinds of issues: from unaffordable health care; to unaffordable housing / rent costs that have soared by 72% since 1995; to unaffordable cars and a mountain of subprime car debt since citizens who could not afford mortgages in 2008 now can’t afford car notes, even though US businesses that got tax cuts offshored so many automaking jobs to countries with low-cost labor on the premise that it drives down prices; to ridiculous college tuition costs, not just for the students attending those for-profit colleges, but for the ones in accredited state universites that are not supposed to be profit-driven.

    One bigly issue for likely voters—if not for the less-likely-to-vote Bernie babes—will be the 52% of American citizens who have zero retirement savings in an era when wages have fallen for 40 years. That group had to pay back their student loans and their business loans of equivalent heft, sacrificing luxuries and retirement savings to pay it back, even though the economy was just as bad for all but 20% of the Xers.

    All of these things are compounded when so much money is siphoned off for the perpetual war machine, so non-intervention is a winning issue for Bernie—Trump’s real competition on the Democratic side same as it ever was.

    Trump really hasn’t gotten us into a war yet. He just saber rattles, but he has not done anything about all of those economic issues, while bragging about what he has not done: rev up the economy for most US citizens in any significant way.

    Trump can’t make good on his promises via an infrastructure bill unless US citizens—not immigrants, however womb-productive and “vibrant”—get the jobs created by any infrastructure bill. An infrastructure bill will cost a ton, too, and Trump has run up tons of dangerous debt at a time of system-wide debt crisis across the corporate sectors around the world, multiple consumer lending sectors and the student loan sector.

    One thing, though: infrastructure revamping may not be just a choice. And it would open up a lot of jobs for construction workers, civil engineers, environmental engineers and maybe even chemical engineers if it is true that the world is really running out of sand, not due to environmental factors, but due to the building frenzy in China and elsewhere in the developing world. They’re using it all up.

    This country is already built up; it is one reason why we have so much underemployment of men. But according to an author of a book about sand who was interviewed on C-SPAN, it is running out. And sand is the main component in concrete, including the reinforced concrete that is used to build everything: bridges, buildings, everything. His name was Vince something.

    Concrete is not as chemically stable as scientists thought. It is not like non-man-made materials, so all of those structures will have to be repaired at the least. There will be a whole new industry for engineers and construction guys, probably a stable, good-paying, meaningful one that American men and some women will want to devote the effort to master.

    The root problem in the USA is the lack of substantial employment. It touches everything from the SS trust fund that is no longer running surpluses, to the lack of household formation and womb productivity obsessed about by conservatives, to the national debt. The sand thing sounds scary, but it might actually be a blessing in disguise, but not if irresponsible politicians keep spending all of the money on fighting people who do not want us meddling in their business.

    Many of us lifelong Dem voters who crossed over to vote for Trump, thinking he would actually do something about the mass-scale, welfare-assisted illegal / legal immigration that has helped to drive down wages for citizens for 40 years, will be listening to the one Dem in the 20-deep field of neoliberal Uniparty critters who might not do exactly what Hillary would have done: Bernie.

    If Bernie pushes the dishonest neoliberal narrative of the glorified, hardworking single mom, telling me how hardworking the women who dominate the corporate back offices, small offices and service sector are, when they are really working part time to stay under the earned-income limits for programs that provide them with free EBT food, reduced-cost housing, monthly cash assistance, electricity assistance and up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash, I’ll know he’s just going to pursue the status quo with nothing but a style twist.

    I’ll know he is committed to keeping wages down to non-rent-covering levels for all of the millions of single, non-womb-productive women and single moms with grown kids, living on earned-only income from one person.

    If he just pushes for free college, I’ll know that, like with the single mom BS, he does not know what’s going on out there in a labor market over-saturated with college grads, where a bachelor’s degree means less than ever in most fields due to too many degree holders. We don’t need free college except maybe for the tippy-top students, and the poor ones already get theirs free if they are truly competitive. Rich people provide a lot of scholarships.

    We need for colleges to get their prices down to reasonable levels and for the Millennials’ loans to be adjusted to reflect the rate of inflation experienced by the early Xers, not off-the-charts education inflation and cartel pricing.

    Why does education cost so much more than it did a couple of decades ago?

    Trump is not really trying to address the practical economic problems faced by the bottom 80% of the American people, like he promised when going after the Establishment’s lies during the campaign. Of course, there is an opening for Bernie on non-interventionism since it relates directly to these economic issues.

    Even though dual-high-earner parents make bank in lofty think-tank positions, philosophizing about foreign policy and making lucrative foreign business contacts in the process, I don’t know that most voters are concerned with foreign policy issues as matters of principle as much as matters of fiscal solvency and the erosion of national strength through un-winnable wars.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @The scalpel
  29. Thinker says:

    Ann Coulter said she would consider voting for Bernie Sanders if he goes back to his original stance against open borders. In 2015 Sanders was even against H1b. If he goes back to these original stances, I will vote for him.

    Trump is a liar and a buffoon. He is a president in name only. His foreign policy is now completely controlled by Ziocon Mike Pence, and his domestic policy is completely run by Jared Kushner, the moron Harvard fraud who advised him to fire Comey which led to the Mueller witch hunt, who gave us the disastrous Mideast policy (and probably got kicked off the team by Mike Pence) and the disastrous prison reform (free all drug dealers) bill. Now he’s about the unleash the last fury to finish Trump off completely – the new legal immigration bill a.k.a. mass importation of H1b labor from Chindia.

    Meanwhile Trump tells the world, “everything Jared touches turns to gold”.

    A guy that blind and dumb has no business being POTUS. It’s time for Kris Kobach to step up and primary him out.

  30. @Endgame Napoleon

    Wow. I salute you for your comment. Trump has done nothing to help this situation.

    The tax cut actually did cut taxes. I know; I compared taxes using last year’s and this year’s rates, and it was less. Except: I will have to pay a LOT of money because they adjusted the withholding, so if I hadn’t checked I’d figure that my taxes had gone up. It was, in fact, a middle class tax cut but they screwed it up and now their only achievement is seen as a problem!

    I’ll keep the tax cut dollars, but I wish something to bring hope to the discouraged you talked about had been done instead.

  31. Trump has not delivered on his America First agenda in any meaningful way; immigration, foreign entanglements, or the real (blue collar/ working class) economy. A massive infrastructure plan might reestablish credibility with working class voters but there seems to be no real desire on either side of the aisle for such a bill. Meanwhile , the white working class has fewer options than they have in many years. High paying industrial jobs are scarce , the trades (construction) are dominated by foreign labor , and government jobs are often dog eared for non whites or former military . The opioid crisis grows unabated as whites become more hopeless with each passing day . In my sons kindergarten class alone two fathers have overdosed this school year, many other white children are being raised by grandparents and other surrogates . The apathy and despair reminds me very much of the native community I grew up with in Alaska .

    Bill Hicks had a routine that speculated each president elect was escorted to a dark room and shown the Zapruder film, quickly ending any idealism or delusions of grandeur….who’s hitting the play button ? The usual suspects come to mind

  32. @Libertine75

    JFK wasn’t a peacenick….end of the JFK assasination conspiracy(JFK was assasinated because he was really a peacenick)…..as nutty as 9/11 Truther sewage….and “Putin hacked our elections” sewage…..

  33. @War for Blair Mountain

    Agreed . The point of Hicks routine was that even if one man wanted to change something he was powerless to do so .

  34. The scalpel says: • Website
    @Bliss

    Mike Gravel is also the real deal.

  35. Well, Pat… you can’t blame Bernie for stealing the Donald’s peace toy. After all, Donald left it lying out in the yard in the mud. Bernie just figured that Donald didn’t want it anymore.

  36. We trusted Jew Obama. And Jew Obama initiated more wars than any other president. So we cannot trust Jew Sanders. So far we can trust Trump, and we cross our fingers that it works out.

  37. Anon[232] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    War and Donahue

  38. Churchill, To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war.
    Pentagon, Bomb-bomb than heal-heal.

  39. Milton says:

    Bernie is as big a huckster as Trump. Can’t believe Americans still operate under the delusion that they actually have a say in their foreign policy. By now it should be crystal clear that America is an Israeli-Saudi colony.

  40. @War for Blair Mountain

    JFK was a cold warrior with sanity.
    He negotiated with Khrushchev rather than exchange missiles.
    He wanted out of the Vietnam War and CIA shenanigans.
    He was a brilliant, educated man possessed of elegance and determination.
    He confined his excesses to dalliances, rather than laying with other states.
    If he were with us today, we would have matched the moon launch with the greatness of peace with Russia and others. He would have fired all those presently contemplating a limited nuclear war (which every sane person knows is impossible).
    I wish to God we had such a statesman today.
    Tomorrow we celebrate the Resurrection: who would doubt that if we cherished peace as we do war, our wounded nation would rise again.

    • Agree: bluedog
    • Replies: @Libertine75
    , @Milton
  41. @SeekerofthePresence

    What is your opinion on the JFK conspiracy theories ? I don’t have strong feelings either way but I find reading the theories, including Unz’s piece quite interesting. Genuinely curious about your thoughts on his killing and surrounding theories .

    • Replies: @Milton
    , @Ians
  42. Milton says:
    @Libertine75

    It is an undeniable fact that America’s foreign policy towards Israel took a 180 degree turn for the worse beginning with LBJ and every subsequent President. It is no exaggeration to state that JFK was the last American President exercising real, independent American power at home and abroad. The Zionists had the most to gain by killing JFK.

    Presidents post-November 22, 1963 have been nothing more than puppet-Presidents who answer to the Zionists. The Zionists, a small Cabal, assert their authority over what was once known as Christendom via Freemasonry. Freemasonry’s subversion of America and the West as a whole is the most immediate problem that need solving before the Zionists can be defeated. JFK, Catholic that he was, understood the threat posed by Freemasonry better than anyone as there had been numerous Encyclicals issued by the Popes condemning Freemasonry and explaining the nature of the threat it posed not only to Christendom but to any truly sovereign State.

  43. Milton says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Amen!

    I think America was given one last chance for Peace with Ron Paul, but the Establishment colluded against him.

    Trump was just a really good con-artist who fooled many of the cross-over voters in the Blue Wall States. But his con-job has run its course and is now plain as day.

    So, its only a matter of time before the Neocons start a hot war with Russia. In fact, we are already in a state of war with Russia as economic sanctions are in fact acts of war. The 2014 Coup in Ukraine also made it abundantly clear that the Neocons are not rational actors and are hellbent on war.

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  44. Not so much opinion as strong suspicion from bits and pieces of the story I’ve heard over the years. I suspect that the CIA took out JFK, RFK, and MLK. What do the three have in common? Their wish for peace. What does the CIA crave: war. From what I’ve heard some of the same operatives were sighted at the various assassinations. Johnson likely gave the go ahead. I believe his assassination signals the birth of the Deep State: a nucleus of government strategists whose dictates would supercede democracy in pursuit of world domination. Kennedy believed in democracy, the CIA in global control. Wish I could give a more informed response. A book which has gotten strong reviews is,
    “JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters” 2008 by James W. Douglass. I expect you know a great deal more on the subject than I. Will have to check out Unz’s take. Thank you.

  45. @Milton

    Stop projecting your fantasies onto JFK….JFK was a toady for the Military Industrial Complex….JFK’S idea of withdrawal from Vietnam was exactly the same as Nixon’s:bomb Vietnam…Cambodia…Laos…into basket cases…then pullout….

    Whatever do you JFK worshippers glue your JFK pinup boy posters to the bedroom wall with?…YUK!!!!

    • Replies: @Libertine75
    , @Milton
  46. @War for Blair Mountain

    Are you a proponent of the lone gunmen theory ?

  47. @Libertine75

    Yes…I believe Oswald did it….Larger Point:I find nothing redeeming about JFK…I say this as someone born and raised Irish Catholic…Catholic Schools…..The Kennedy Family is a Family of filthy SYPHYLLITIC reprobates……

    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @Ians
  48. @Milton

    Very interesting point about freemasonry. If I may speculate on their symbol Square+Compass+G in the context of the CIA and imperialism: All things must be Squared to ‘Merica’s capitalistic socialism; the Compass of this unipolar rule is the world; this “Geometry” of ‘Merican leadership is the divine Grand design, hence ‘Merican Exceptionalism. This was not necessarily the original significance of the masonic emblem. I suspect it has mutated into todays virulent militancy, backed by various forms of religious dominionism.

  49. bluedog says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    The question is why do you think Oswald did it and how did he work the cover up from the grave, with the magic bullet theory that held no water at all,when congress re-visited the JFK murder the report was that it was a conspiracy,how do you explain that or is it just your personal hate that drives your theory.Ethel Kennedy when ask if she had any idea who was behind the murder of JFK she relied yes it was a right wing conspiracy, and seeing he was after the fed.reserve the big oil companies ending the war in Nam after the CIA which is and always was a tool of big business,perhaps it was only a fringe group of the republicans or perhaps the same fringe group you belong to,time will tell.!!!!

  50. Milton says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    The only one projecting anything is you with your talk of “pinup boy posters” and ” SYPHYLLITIC reprobates” and “Lee Harvey Oswald did it” in your comment a few above.

    Now, let’s get back to reality. Yes, you are partly correct when you say that JFK began a Cold Warrior. But it is also correct that JFK ended up rejecting that mentality and went to war against his own Deep State in the interests of peace with Russia. JFK was led to this transformation for several reasons, chief among them his discovery of the fact that his own Joint Chiefs had real plans for a massive nuclear first strike on Russia, one that would have seen millions of Russian civilans murdered. JFK knew that this was not only unjust but also pure madness born from hubris, as there was and is no such thing as a winnable nuclear war between two superpowers. JFK’s greatest statement in this transformation from Cold Warrior to Peacemaker was his American University address. Nikita Khruschev told test-ban negotiater Averell Harriman that JFK had given “the greatest speech by any American President since Roosevelt.” Given today’s standards, JFK would have probably been impeached rather quickly for “colluding with the Russians.”

    As for Vietnam, on October 11, 1963, six weeks before he was assassinated, JFK issued his secret order for a U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam in the form of National Security Action Memorandum 263. It was an order that was never obeyed thanks to his assassination.

  51. @Milton

    Excellent statement.
    Will have to read JFK’s “greatest speech.”

  52. eah says:

    Seems there for the taking.

  53. Do so-called proponents of ‘liberal democracy’ really prize multi-party politics? If so, why do they look to California as the template for future America? Multi-party democracy is dead in California that is now a defacto one-party dictatorship. Nothing is more threatening to multi-party democracy than mass-immigration-invasion because the great majority of non-white invaders vote for Democrats as the party more favorable to mass immigration and non-white identity-politics(at the expense of whites, of course). As immigrants vote for the Party that puts out the Welcome Mat and flatters them with gushing Valentines — Democrats say endless immigration-invasion is what America is really about — , open borders will effectively turn the US into a one-party state.

    You can’t have ‘liberal democracy’ with two or more parties if all of US goes the way of California, a one-party dictatorship lorded over by super oligarchs of Hollywood and Silicon Valley.

  54. @Milton

    JFK worshippers are very dishonest about JFK’s so called decision to withdraw from Vietnam…..

    Here is the jist of NSAM 263:The “PEACENICK” JFK was very much committed to winning the Vietnam War….for JFK, it was a pragmatic-technical issue as to best how to do it…JFK was considering the strategy of Vietnamization of the war…..fighting the war through proxy…and JFK in this document considered the possibility of the failure of “Vietnamization”…and opened the door to other options to achieve victory in Vietnam…

    JFK was a hardcore Cold Warrior to the end of his life…..In his last public speech just prior to his assasination JFK announced the creation of the Death Squad known as the GREEN BERETS….

    Whatever precocious bodily fluid do JFK worshippers use to glue their JFK pinup boy poster to their bedroom wall with?….YUK!!!!

  55. Comrade Unz

    I think this is one of the few times that you should allow open commenting on PCR’s most recent post about Russiagate and the prelude to war….I believe PCR’s most recent post is serious and frightening enough to warrant open commenting…..

  56. The Democratic Party is waging a GENOCIDAL RACE WAR!!!! against Christian Russia and the Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority…..

  57. Ians says:
    @Libertine75

    ‘JFK and the Unspeakable’ is an excellent read. Highly recommend it.

    • Replies: @Libertine75
  58. Ians says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Anyone who believes there was a lone gunman is a cretin. The smearing of the Kennedy family is an overused deflection tactic.

  59. @Ians

    Thank you I will be sure look it up. One of the major benefits of this site is the intelligence of the commentators, particularly in contrast to Fox & Breitbart. I’ve picked up quite a bit from this site in my short time visiting.

  60. Olorin says:

    Is Bernie Stealing Trump’s ‘No More Wars’ Issue?

    Are you suggesting that bolshevists do anything BUT steal?

  61. Olorin says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    It’s time for today’s Logic Puzzle for Little Stoics, courtesy of Highlights for Overgrown Children magazine:

    What do these three things have in common:

    –The Warren Commission’s “magic bullet” theory of how a single bullet made its way around the presidential limo to injure multiple people and kill President Kennedy;

    –The Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation of Apollo, Pennsylvania; and

    –The “unicorn killer,” Ira Einhorn (whose bail was paid by Barbara Bronfman of the Seagram hooch family).

    Take your time. Though it shouldn’t take long with even the mildest application of GooFu.

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