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In October 1950, as U.S. forces were reeling from hordes of Chinese troops who had intervened massively in the Korean War, a 5,000-man Turkish brigade arrived to halt an onslaught by six Chinese divisions.

Said supreme commander Gen. Douglas MacArthur: “The Turks are the hero of heroes. There is no impossibility for the Turkish Brigade.”

President Harry Truman awarded the brigade a Presidential Unit Citation.

In 1951, Turkey ended a neutrality dating to the end of World War I and joined NATO. In the seven decades since, there has been no graver crisis in U.S.-Turkish relations than the one that erupted this week.

Turkey has just received the first components of a Russian S-400 air and missile defense system, despite U.S. warnings this would require the cancellation of Turkey’s purchase of 100 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters.

“The F-35 cannot coexist with a Russian intelligence collection platform that will be used to learn about its advanced capabilities,” said the White House.

The sale has been canceled. The Turkish pilots and instructors training in the U.S. are being sent home. Contracts with Turkish companies producing parts for the F-35 are being terminated. Under U.S. law, the administration is also required to impose sanctions on Turkey for buying Russian weaponry.

Wednesday, the Pentagon warned Turkey against military action in an area of Syria where U.S. troops are deployed. The Turks appear to be massing for an incursion against U.S.-backed Syrian Kurdish forces Ankara regards as terrorist allies of the Kurdish PKK inside Turkey.

How America and Turkey avoid a collision that could wreck NATO, where the Turks field the second-largest army in the alliance, is not easy to see.

U.S. hawks are already calling for the expulsion of Turkey from NATO. And expulsion of U.S. forces and nuclear weapons from the Incirlik air base in Turkey in retaliation is not out of the question.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan sounds defiant: “We have begun to receive our S-400s. … God willing, they will have been installed in their sites by April 2020. … The S-400s are the strongest defense system against those who want to attack our country. Now the aim is joint production with Russia. We will do that.”

While potentially the most crucial of recent developments in the Middle East, the U.S.-Turkish situation is not the only one.

The UAE is pulling its forces out of Yemen as Congress seeks to restrict U.S. support for Saudi forces fighting Houthi rebels there and to sanction Riyadh for the murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi.

ORDER IT NOW

If the UAE pulls out, and the U.S. cuts its military aid, the Saudis cannot prevail in a war they have been unable to win with our help after four years of fighting. And if the Houthis win, the Saudis and Sunni Arabs lose, and Iran wins.
This week, to strengthen the U.S. presence for any confrontation with Iran, President Donald Trump is sending 500 additional U.S. troops to Saudi Arabia.

While the U.S. and Iran have thus far avoided a military or naval clash that could ignite a major war, the “maximum pressure” sanctions Trump has imposed are choking Iran’s economy to death. How this ends in a negotiated resolution and not a shooting war remains difficult to see.

In Doha, Qatar, the U.S. is negotiating with the Taliban over the conditions for a withdrawal of the 14,000 U.S. troops still in Afghanistan. And with the Taliban controlling more of the countryside than they have since being ousted from power in 2001, and conducting regular suicide bombings in Afghan cities and towns, it is hard to see how this Kabul regime and its army prevail in a civil war when we are gone, when they could not while we were there.
In this new century, leaders of both parties have plunged our country into at least five wars in the Middle and Near East.

In 2001, after ousting the Taliban and driving al-Qaida out, we decided to use our power and ideas to build a new democratic Afghanistan. In 2003, we invaded and occupied Iraq to create a pro-Western bastion in the heart of the Middle East.

In 2011, Barack Obama ordered U.S. planes to attack Colonel Gadhafi’s forces in Libya. We brought him down. Obama then backed Syrian rebels to overthrow the dictator Bashar Assad. In 2015, U.S. forces supported a Saudi war to roll back the Houthi rebels’ victory in Yemen’s civil war.

None of these wars has produced a victory or success for us.

But taken together, they did produce a multitrillion-dollar strategic and human rights disaster. Meanwhile, China gained much from having its great rival, the world’s last superpower, thrashing about ineffectually in the forever wars of the Middle East.

“Great nations do no fight endless wars,” said Trump.

Yes, they do. As the British, French, Germans, Japanese and Russians showed in the last century, that is how they cease to be great nations.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Here is an article that looks at how American voters feel about Donald Trump’s approach to Iran and another war in the Middle East:

    https://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2019/07/main-street-america-and-another-war-in.html

    Should the two co-warriors who currently inhabit the positions of Secretary of State and National Security Advisor use their influence to persuade Donald Trump to enter what would likely be a very lengthy war of attrition in Iran, it may prove to be a very costly move for the Republican Party in November of 2020 given the lack of support for such actions among Main Street Americans.

  2. Rurik says:

    a collision that could wreck NATO

    that is how they cease to be great nations.

    ‘may I please have a normal nation?’

  3. SaintJ says: • Website

    The endless wars … there’s only one country that benefits the most and it is not the us

    • Replies: @Paulo Henrique
    , @anon
  4. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    He had dialed back the pronoun propaganda lately, but Mr. Buchanan today is back to we-we-weing all over the Middle East. Neither the people of this country nor even their elected representatives (ha!) through the Constitutionally prescribed declaration has endorsed any of Uncle Sam’s destruction catalogued in this column:

    – “in an area of Syria where U.S. troops are deployed”
    – of Yemen (“If the UAE pulls out, and the U.S. cuts its military aid, the Saudis cannot prevail in a war they have been unable to win with our help after four years of fighting.”)
    – “This week, to strengthen the U.S. presence for any confrontation with Iran, President Donald Trump is sending 500 additional U.S. troops to Saudi Arabia.”

    Now, look again at these next few paragraphs near the end of the column, and see how the author gulls readers with “we” and “our” to identify with the warmongers in Washington:

    “In 2001, after ousting the Taliban and driving al-Qaida out, we decided to use our power and ideas to build a new democratic Afghanistan. In 2003, we invaded and occupied Iraq to create a pro-Western bastion in the heart of the Middle East.

    In 2011, Barack Obama ordered U.S. planes to attack Colonel Gadhafi’s forces in Libya. We brought him down. Obama then backed Syrian rebels to overthrow the dictator Bashar Assad. In 2015, U.S. forces supported a Saudi war to roll back the Houthi rebels’ victory in Yemen’s civil war.

    None of these wars has produced a victory or success for us.”*

    Notice, too, how the author serves the Establishment (i) by pretending that any of this was motivated by a desire to introduce Western democracy and (ii) by gratuitously describing Mr. Assad as a “dictator” without mentioning how the people in Saudi Arabia chose their rulers.

    Mr. Buchanan is a right-sizing imperialist, who differs with the Establishment over tactics, not principles. If Uncle Sam today could pull off in the Middle East what he did back in Grenada, then “Mr. Paleoconservative” would be all for it.

    ——

    *Well, that last “us” may be appropriate, but not in the way Mr. Buchanan intended. The fact is that the war$ have gone $well for those waging them.

    • Agree: lavoisier
    • Replies: @lavoisier
  5. Jewish supremacism is a plague.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @follyofwar
  6. @SaintJ

    Yes. The country that controls the USA …

  7. anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @SaintJ

    But we Gentile second-ratersowe it” to Jewhovah’s “Chosen” ones, if you believe the Holy Hook.

    • Replies: @saintj
  8. anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    Then the Holy Hook is a plague vector; e.g., “The Jew first.” (Romans 1:16)

  9. Even though my family would suffer tremendously, I so look forward to the day that this EVIL nation, the most EVIL in history (because it has the means and the insanity to blow up the world), gets its much overdue comeuppance. Why worry when we peons could do nothing about it anyway.

    Today, POTUS bragged that his military aggressors brought down an unmanned Iranian drone. Thanks, Mr. Trump (you idiot), for violating all of your campaign promises to end the wars and bring about a safer world. IMO, Trump’s Big War will start well before the 2020 election.

    Excellent column today, Mr. B.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @RVBlake
  10. @Priss Factor

    It is indeed a plague, but it is debatable that the Christian Zionists might be worse. To wit: most American Jews are opposed to Trump, and would never vote for him, no matter how much he prostitutes himself to Netanyahu. However, the 70 million strong Christians United for Israel (which includes Pence, Bolton, and Pompeo) are solidly behind Trump, and look forward to a war with Iran. He could never win an election without them.

    • Disagree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @anon
  11. Nah.

    I do not believe the American people want war with Iran.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @anonymous
  12. sarz says:

    I have argued elsewhere that Trump is the target of the Epstein arrest, and, as the now resigned UK ambassador predicted, he may end in disgrace. All it would take is a high definition film on the internet after the unsealed documents prove inconclusive. Trump’s war against Iran for Likudnik Israel has come to the point that the Iranis can escalate until global finance collapses from the price of oil. But now, post Rand Paul, we have the Irani offer to allow nuclear inspections in perpetuity for the lifting of sanctions.

    The sovereign order is therefore winning. All they need is time. America’s empire is finished. But global finance has not lost. And Trump gets to finish his term.

  13. sarz says:
    @sarz

    By “sovereign order” I mean the multilateral order of sovereign nations, presently led by Russia, China and Iran.

  14. The problem with the US political elites is its obsession with Iran, which they describe as the largest sponsor of terrorism for which they can’t present any hard evidence. President Trump, Mike Pompeo, and the Zionist extremist John Bolton repeat Netanyahu’s talking points. Not Iran but the Zionist regime spreads terrorism all over the Middle East. The brutal occupation of Palestine has been going on since the creation of the State of Israel. Don’t forget the hit squads, and the Zionists have been sending all over the world to liquidate people who they regard “enemies of Israel.” That the Zionist had no doubts, killing their kin, showed the assassination of Jacob Israel de Haan in Jerusalem.
    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-this-day-zionism-s-first-political-assassination-1.5288744
    Pat Buchanan presents all the “successes” the US had in the Middle East. The attacks on Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia, Syria, and its support for the Saudi regime were failures. The UAE dictators seem smarter than the gangster Mohammed bin Salman. The US should withdraw its support, and the world will see that this regime is unable to fight, not to speak of winning. One of the real enemies of the US is the Saudi regime, which has been spreading its destructive form of Salafist ideology around the world.

    The decision by Erdogan is a wise one. He should leave NATO, the most aggressive war-alliance and most significant threat to world peace. Erdogan, out of self-respect, should reject the bullying of President Trump because of ordering the Russian S-400 system. He should also buy the warplanes from Russia and should expel the Americans and its NATO-cronies from Incirlik Air Base. Erdogan has nothing to gain from this alliance anymore.

    The US power elite should come to terms with Iran, which can be an asset to US policy in the Middle East. President Trump should abandon Saudi Arabia and narrow the Zionist regime down, which is the most considerable stain on real American interests in this region.

    • Replies: @Realist
  15. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:

    Christian Zionists — what other kind are there?

    • Matthew 21:5 “Say to Daughter Zion, ‘See, your king comes to you.”
    • John 12:15 “Do not be afraid, Daughter Zion; see, your king is coming.”
    • Romans 9:33 “See, I lay in Zion a stone…”
    • Romans 11:26 “The deliverer will come from Zion…”
    • Hebrews 12:22 “Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem.”
    • 1 Peter 2:6 “See, I lay a stone in Zion.”
    • Revelation 14:1 “Standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000.”

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  16. anon[249] • Disclaimer says:

    Turkey is effectively out of NATO. NATO became obsolete the day after the USSR and Warsaw Pact ended, so the more Trump blunders into unwinding these alliances, the better.

    Meanwhile, US sanctions only become weaker through over use. China, Turkey and India aren’t going to quit buying Iranian oil. Its an open question how tightly the US can and is willing to enforce them. Trump wants, needs a US/China trade deal.

    Casually considered expansion of NATO was reckless. And now proving useless. Casual imposition of sanctions has been foolish. And the US is losing its power to unilaterally impose sanctions as they become less effective.

  17. dearieme says:

    It’s quite a diplomatic feat by the US to impel Russia into the arms of China and then Turkey into the arms of Russia. What’s the next move in your grand strategy to unite your rivals and ensure they become enemies? And what on earth is your motive?

  18. Realist says:
    @follyofwar

    Today, POTUS bragged that his military aggressors brought down an unmanned Iranian drone. Thanks, Mr. Trump (you idiot), for violating all of your campaign promises to end the wars and bring about a safer world. IMO, Trump’s Big War will start well before the 2020 election.

    Correct, and he has failed on his other campaign promises as well.

  19. Realist says:
    @Robert Dolan

    I do not believe the American people want war with Iran.

    Trump and the Deep State do not care what the American people want. They know that most American people are inane fools and will believe anything. Most Americans would rather watch America Has Talent or Dancing With The Stars than be informed about important issues.

  20. Realist says:
    @follyofwar

    However, the 70 million strong Christians United for Israel (which includes Pence, Bolton, and Pompeo) are solidly behind Trump, and look forward to a war with Iran. He could never win an election without them.

    Correct and that is why I will not vote for him again.

  21. RVBlake says:
    @follyofwar

    These drone antics are penny-ante child’s play. We need us a real live Tonkin Gulf incident to get this war started right. Perhaps the Revolutionary Guard can be provoked into sending a few gunboats to “threaten” a U. S. destroyer, then it’s off to the races!

  22. Realist says:
    @Ludwig Watzal

    The US power elite should come to terms with Iran, which can be an asset to US policy in the Middle East. President Trump should abandon Saudi Arabia and narrow the Zionist regime down, which is the most considerable stain on real American interests in this region.

    I agree with your comments…but it won’t happen.

  23. saintj says: • Website
    @anon

    anon260: if you read that Holy Book, you’d find out that there’s curses that those folks are currently under and the blood of the one slain by them allows gentiles to be the true Israel

  24. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Which will make no difference as long as enough of “us” line up to vote with two crayons every four years.

    And that’s why Beltway Buchanan will be cheering Team Red through next November’s Most Important Election Ever.

  25. @sarz

    It just seems a little too convenient that the powers-that-be resurrected the Epstein saga shortly after the Mueller witch hunt imploded in Rachel Maddow’s smug face. They couldn’t take down Trump with the Russia fiasco, so the dormant Epstein case was dialed up next. If that fails, there will be something else until Trump is taken down, even if he wins a second term. After his latest failure to admonish the rally crowd when, regarding Rep. Omar, they chanted to “send her home,” his impeachment in the House is assured.

    The real villain in the Epstein saga is probably Bill Clinton, not Trump, but, as I’ve thought from the beginning, the Clintons, regardless of their many crimes, remain bullet proof.

  26. lavoisier says: • Website
    @anonymous

    I agree with your thoughtful reply.

    But I cut Pat some slack for his courage in noticing the Jewish elephant in the room creating so much trouble around the world.

    But yes, at his core, Pat has no problem with real politics, which basically means doing unethical things to serve the interest of your nation and its people.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  27. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @lavoisier

    Thank you, too. But not “its people” — its rulers.

    The people just get to see their loved ones’ names and ranks on those green signs along the potholed roads.

    • Agree: RVBlake
  28. If there is a new Middle East war Turkey will be on the other side. With Iran, Russia and China. Trump’s job is to prevent that. It’s’ a pity he is blinded by his love of Israel.

  29. Epstein isn’t going to take Trump down. Trump never went to pervert island.

    I’m not sure the nose has to coerce Trump to get him to do what they want.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  30. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    Where is your source of information that CUFI can claim 70 million members? I call bullshit.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  31. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:

    2018 – US sanctions Iran
    2019 – US sanctions Turkey and Russia
    2020 – US sanctions all of Europe and China
    2021 – US sanctions the rest of Asia except for Israel
    2022 – US sanctions Africa and South America
    2023 – US sanctions Canada and Mexico and Australia
    2024 – US sanctions Antarctica
    2025 – US sanctions itself per Israel’s request

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  32. @sarz

    “I have argued elsewhere that Trump is the target of the Epstein arrest, and, as the now resigned UK ambassador predicted, he may end in disgrace.”

    This is a definite possibility, IMO.

    In trying to figure out exactly what’s going on in the U.S. “government” nowadays, especially in matters regarding Trump, there seem to be some troubling incongruities. An example is the case of Iran. Obama wasn’t prevented from entering the JCPOA agreement with Iran, just as Trump wasn’t prevented from walking away from the JCPOA agreement with Iran. So if both Obama and Trump are “deep state” puppets, how can this be explained?

    As I see it there are several possible explanations for this, but I’m presently leaning toward the theory that puppets Trump and Obama are representative of two different “deep state” “factions”; say a group which would include Adelson and Netanyahu and another group which would include Soros and Kissinger, for example. Both of which have a very similar ultimate goal (with jews on top of course), but somewhat different priorities and somewhat different views as to how to get there.

    I can imagine a conversation such as the following between representatives of the two putative “deep state” factions:

    Soros: “You’re going too far. I thought the plan was to weaken Iran and try to isolate it politically, undermining the leadership.”

    Adelson: “Well your approach failed miserably. You told us that by offering Iran a carrot we could keep it out of Syria. It didn’t work, and now we have a stalemate there with Russian involvement. Now it’s our turn.”

    Soros:”But we can’t risk a war with Iran right now for several good reasons. And the show-stopper is the lack of a good intelligence estimate as to how the Kremlin would respond.”

    Adelson: “As long as the wrong people are in power in the Kremlin, war with Russia will always be a possibility. So if we’re going to gamble, it’s better to do it now, before they can deploy their S-500 air defense system and the other new weapons in the pipeline, isn’t it?”

    Etc.

    If the Adelson wing is manipulating Trump into starting a war with Iran, could the Epstein scandal be the Soros wing’s attempt to stop them?

    • Replies: @sarz
  33. Rurik says:
    @anon

    Where is your source of information that CUFI can claim 70 million members? I call bullshit.

    several recent studies and surveys by sociologists and political scientists that utilize more complex definitional parameters have estimated the number of evangelicals in the U. S. at about 25-30% of the population, or roughly between 70 and 80 million people.

    https://sojo.net/articles/evangelicals-numbers

    Evangelical Christians make up the biggest pro-Israel bloc in the US. Support for Israel is stronger among American evangelicals than it is even among American Jews. According to a poll conducted by the Pew Research Center, 82 percent of white evangelicals think God gave Israel to the Jewish people

    https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-10-24/why-american-evangelicals-are-huge-base-support-israel

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  34. sarz says:
    @Harold Smith

    My answer to your concluding question is, Exactly. It’s good to get the sense that there are others on our wavelength. I wrote an article spelling out what I’ve finally decided is Trump’s core identity. A lot more makes immediate sense now, without struggling with ideas of five dimensional chess.

    The ruling tribe, world Jewry, finds its governing groups divided between Israeli expansion and world dominance through finance. Trump’s impetuous ultra-Zionusm threatens to collapse the global financial order. There is no way Trump can stop the Iranis from escalating until the price of oil implodes the gamut of financial derivatives. So ‘the Rothschilds’ are using Epstein to bring Trump down.

    Trump is seemingly bscking down. Maybe he’ll be spared.

    Here’s the link to my article. It does not cover this later development, of Rand Paul negotiating for Trump with Zarif, but it helps one to understand what’s happening.

    http://www.twf.org/News/Y2019/0711-TrumpRothschild.html

  35. @Rurik

    I’ll concede that there must be some reflexive ill-informed support for aggressive war and provocation among self-identified evangelical or otherwise “conservative” Christians in the USA. It’s asininely uninformed in general, not to mention inconsistent with Christian doctrine on just war.

    But that is changing, somewhat, albeit maybe too little too late.

    FWIW, we attend a conservative Baptist church and we strongly oppose any US support for Israel or further military aggression or entanglement in the Middle East and Central Asia. Nobody has ever polled my wife and me about this. We absolutely do NOT endorse or identify with these Israeli-bootlicker warmongering “Christian” groups.

    And we take the opportunity, when it arises, to feel out our fellow congregants’ views and perhaps influence them away from unthinking support for all the us gov’s wars and provocations. It is valuable for these folks simply to hear someone whom they know and consider “one of us” saying in a calm, quiet voice, “as Christians we need to avoid war when it’s not needed for self defense or retaliation, and it would be wrong to gin up a war against Iran when they are not a threat to us.”

    Most people haven’t thought it through much or learned much about it, even the retired folks who ought to have more time to do so, so we put in our two cents politely from time to time.

    It may be the only time they hear a stridently anti-war voice from someone — in person, not on the TV —who’s not suspect because they’re nuts on other issues or hostile to Christians / white people / traditional family structure, roles, and morality (I.e. much of the current “Left”).

    We encourage people to end their tv service, but failing that, try to get them to watch tucker Carlson, LOL 😉

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @lavoisier
  36. Wars in the Middle East is the reason General George C. Marshall opposed the creation of the state of Israel. However, Charles (Chaim) Weizmann and Clark Clifford prevailed over Harry Truman who had originally supported the proposal for a United Nations trusteeship.

    Weizmann is the same guy who convinced Scotsman Arthur Balfour to issue the infamous declaration.

    Compounding matters the U.S. still imports Arab oil as energy independence is more complicated (paywall) in the real world.

  37. Rurik says:
    @RadicalCenter

    God bless you for your efforts and Christian decency.

    I know a lot of Christians, and about 1 – 5% of them are ‘woke’ to the ((wars)).

    The rest are doggedly unwilling to entertain any notion that strays too far from the narrative that they’ve absorbed though our controlled media and preachers and politicians, who seemingly lie with a singular venality.

    If I challenged 90+% of them to look behind the ludicrous lies about 9/11, they’d become horrified at the suggestion that ‘you mean you’re telling me that our own government attacked itself?!?!!

    So I don’t do it. And only nudge them from time to time. Sort of like what you suggest, and tell them to watch the kosher Tucker. At least he tells the (semi-)truth about the wars, and mocks the open borders imbeciles regularly.

  38. Pat Buchanan is correct, great nations do fight endless wars, ‘that is how they cease to be great nations’. History shows that imperial states (for want of a better term) come and go: they rise and gain power; then seek to retain that power; when it is on the wane they try and regain it. These changes have always led to war, two world wars in the last century. In the 21st century, can the nuclear powers avoid war and everyone’s destruction? That does not serve the rising power, the one at its apex or the one in decline.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  39. A123 says:

    The U.S. will not put boots on the ground in Iran. The lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan show that an invasion is unlikely to work and could easily backfire.

    The current strategy is working. Economic pressure gets tighter every day (1). The people of Iran despise Ayatollah Khameni and want him to go. Maintaining appropriate patience is difficult. We could wake up tomorrow and find that an IRGC General has given Khameni a .50 caliber retirement present. Or, it could take months. Even if Khameni does not fall, the lack of cash will curtail his expensive foreign ventures in Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza.

    The people of Iran would be better off without Khameni, but they have to make that choice for themselves.

    PEACE

    _____

    (1). https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/17/inflation-rampant-in-tehran-as-iran-struggles-to-stem-rising-food-prices.html

    • Replies: @RVBlake
  40. And expulsion of U.S. forces and nuclear weapons from the Incirlik air base in Turkey in retaliation is not out of the question.

    Gee, let’s hope all they do is expel us and our nukes.

  41. RVBlake says:
    @A123

    Then why not let them make their own choice of leadership without barbaric sanctions?

    • Replies: @A123
  42. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Rurik

    TUCKER is KOSHER.

    Not as bad as Hannity, but then who is?

    That is why they keep him on the air.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  43. lavoisier says: • Website
    @RadicalCenter

    I’ll concede that there must be some reflexive ill-informed support for aggressive war and provocation among self-identified evangelical or otherwise “conservative” Christians in the USA.

    Quite an understatement.

    Evangelicals are wrong on just about anything having to do with rationality or reality.

    I could even deal with the madness of belief in a 6000 year old Earth or opposition to evolution if they just stopped supporting Israel and our endless wars on their behalf.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  44. A123 says:
    @RVBlake

    The sociopath Ayatollah Khameni is funding terrorism and violence in Lebanon, Syria, Gaza, and locations further afield. Plus, between ballistic missiles and nuclear enrichment programs he is about to set off a new nuclear arms race.

    If Iranian chose badly and it only hurt their own people that would be very sad, but it would be an internal matter. Unfortunately, Khameni is destabilizing the entire region via his deranged list for personal aggrandizement.

    There are few options for handling an irrational mind supported by military power. Sanctions are the “least bad” option. Appeasement would be a disaster.

    PEACE

  45. WITH THE UNITED STATES WAR MONGERING IN 221 OUT OF 243 YEARS AS A REPUBLIC ALONG WITH POMPEO AND BOLTON LEADING THE CHARGE, THE ANSWER IS UNDOUBTEDLY YES!.

  46. The Turks were wise to pick superior Russian technology over the horrifically overpriced piece of garbage known as the F-35.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  47. @A123

    I don’t like Khameni either but sanctions cannot work and have never worked. I suspect they are designed to fail and create an excuse for the USA to invade on behalf of Israel.

  48. @A123

    Zionist

    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  49. @anon

    Zion is a mountain, not an ideology.

    As a mountain it is supposed to symbolize Christ, and therefore mercy; not war-crazed jingoism.

  50. @anon

    2026(66) US sanctions God for not granting ‘Murika victory in its countless, purposeless wars.

    2027 God sanctions US jingoists with judgment stored up for That Day because of its wanton, lawless, reckless violence which mocks the name of God.

    2028 House impeaches God for besmirching ‘Murika’s worldwide quest for freedom and democracy and building schools, hospitals, and Starbucks everywhere to show the infinite blessings of oil-based capitalism and bankery.

    2029 Senate ratifies impeachment for God’s non-democratic High crimes and misdemeanors (and many instances of un-woke language in Scripture).

    2030 God doubles down on judgment for the warmongers’ impudence and consummate hypocrisy and idiocy.

  51. As we speak,
    Neocons plan limited nuclear war.
    The eagle whets its beak
    On the blood of Four Horsemen at Heaven’s door.

  52. @A123

    One wonders if in the back of your mind, you really meant to say

    WAR

    • Replies: @Davidson20
  53. Miro23 says:
    @Fidelios Automata

    From the price/technology point of view, Russian equipment seems just as good as anything from the US. Also, they can jointly manufacture it in Turkey.

    Erdogan can see that he’s more likely to have trouble with the US/Israel (they sponsored the Gulenist coup) and that air defense is critical. The days of US ME land invasions are probably over. Iran and Turkey have similar sized populations of around 80 million people (about the size of Germany) with large modern cities like Teheran (pop. 9M) and Istanbul (pop. 15M).

    • Replies: @Miro23
  54. Miro23 says:
    @Miro23

    Another useful move would be for Europe to formally end NATO. The Soviet Union and the Cold War are long gone and there is no longer any reason for US bases in Europe. They should close them (including Incirlik in Turkey).

  55. MEexpert says:
    @A123

    The sociopath Ayatollah Khameni is funding terrorism and violence in Lebanon, Syria, Gaza, and locations further afield.

    You really meant to say sociopath Netanyahu. Then the sentence will make sense. Khamenei is a very rational man. Even the top US General said so.

    Unfortunately, Khameni is destabilizing the entire region via his deranged list for personal aggrandizement.

    Again replace Netanyahu and you have correct representation of the situation. It is Netanyahu and Israel that are destabilizing the Middle East.

    There are few options for handling an irrational mind supported by military power. Sanctions are the “least bad” option. Appeasement would be a disaster.

    There is no one more irrational than Netanyahu. Trump’s appeasement of Netanyahu has been a disaster. It is this appeasement that is turning even the allies against the US.

  56. RVBlake says:
    @A123

    Lifting sanctions on a country which has done us no harm is not “appeasement.” Iran is surely not the sole author of any destabilization of the Mideast. As far as nuclear ambitions, Buchanan has repeatedly stated that the 22 intelligence agencies (!) in the U. S. report no Iranian activity.

  57. Hossein says:

    Pat Buchanan , Ronald reagan and the Bushies are the ones who allowed the Zionists and the zealot Christian fascists ,Zio Christian, to establish a foothold in the American government and the result is permanent war on behalf of Jewish colonial empire in Palestine.

    Zionism must be purged or else there will be no America.

    Zionism is the true enemy of American people .

  58. KenH says:

    I fear we will get some sort of military action since Trump is first and foremost an agent of Netanyahu and Israel while acting as the American president is a distant second for him and treated like a reality TV show. When Izzy is involved Trump is deadly serious and not messing around but for America everything’s negotiable, even his core campaign promises.

    If it comes to blows then Iran better show some guts and unload some ordinance on Tel Aviv since it’s they who are pulling the strings of Washington and the U.K.

    If this tit for tat keeps dragging out will Putin get more involved or will he just spout the usual platitudes about diplomacy and internal norms but otherwise sit idly by while an ally is attacked?

  59. Mulegino1 says:

    Pat just can’t wrap his mind around the fact that the American people have been lied to and cajoled into wars of empire for the past 123 years or so (at least).

    This state of perpetual war did not begin with the white powder in the test tube, or the Kuwaiti incubator babies. If truth be told, its beginning was arguably the USS Maine incident. Then came the Lusitania, then Pearl Harbor, the Gulf of Tonkin, and then the New Pearl Harbor of 9/11- all based upon lies and false narratives. Now “Tankergate” could set off another war against Iran. Our major conflicts tend to initiate based on false flags involving ships.

    Again, thank God for the brave officers and crew of the USS Liberty who saved the ship and averted a war against the Arabs on behalf of that criminal pariah state in the Middle East. Beware the reports of “hostile” Iranian activity against the shipping lanes- they are a precursor to war and most likely caused by the plague bearing rodents ensconced in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and the Pentagon.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Harold Smith
  60. @Robert Dolan

    Here’s an interesting piece by Tom Luongo positing that the Jeff Epstein drama is
    a DJT production designed to bring down the Clintons along with the rest of his tormentors:

    https://tomluongo.me/2019/07/12/acosta-resigns-project-epstein-trump/

    We can hope anyway.

  61. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1

    “Pat just can’t wrap his mind around the fact that the American people have been lied to and cajoled into wars of empire for the past 123 years or so (at least).”

    Too charitable. He still jingoes about Grenada, for example — it will take 90 seconds with the search tool upper right to see that for yourself. “Mr. Paleoconservative” is wrapped up in the Beltway, a cheerleader for Team Red in every Most Important Election Ever. When it comes to Empire, he only criticizes what he sees as overreach.

  62. @Rurik

    If TPTB want a war against Iran, the members of the historic Ameeican nation should sit this one out. The last 20 years of uncontrolled military expenditures have brought us nothing, even as illegals flood in, our neighborhoods collapse, our industries are off-shored, our history denigrated and our children and grandchildren made second class citizen.

    No Iranian ever called me Deplorable. No Iranian ever assaulted me for being white. No Iranian ever made me 2nd class for being a man.

    The country we knew is dead. What was once the US is now the land of trannies, bug-chasers, race hustlers and story hour drag queens. Let them fight Iran. We of middle America have lost everything already, and we have nothing to gain from another ME misadventure. This is NOT our fight.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  63. @SeekerofthePresence

    e x a c t l y

    a poor mind full of lies

  64. Rurik says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Excellent comment.

    No Iranian ever called me Deplorable.

    beautifully stated.

    headline on Drudge

    Military eyes 16 year olds as ranks and candidates dwindle…

    Now they’re eyeing America’s children to die in the Eternal Wars for Israel.

    Any self-respecting white person who would fight or let their children fight in these Eternal Wars for Zion, is like a Palestinian wearing an IDF uniform.

    No Russian or Venezuelan or Iraqi or Iranian or Syrian or Afghan ever called me an “irredeemable” Deplorable.

    Our enemies are Iran’s enemies. And Venezuela’s enemies. And Russia’s enemy.

    The scum holed up in London and Washington, DC are the enemies of all people of good will. The whole planet, including every American and Brit should make common cause with the people of Iran and Russia and Venezuela and Syria and everywhere else these Zio-scum are menacing innocent people. And tell them ‘Je suis Iran. Je suis Palestine. Je suis Russia and Syria and all the myriad victims of the fiend.

    When Pat writes about ‘us’, and ‘we’, let him talk of all the world’s people who reject the Eternal Wars for Israel.

    That’s who “we” are Pat. Not the scum in DC or London. Fuck no. That is not “us”, or “we”.

    It is us, (the people of good will the world over), against them, the criminal scumfucks in Washington, DC. (Republican and Democrat), who are our (Americans and Iranians and Russians) enemies.

    All the guns (figuratively speaking ; ) including America’s guns, should be pointed straight at the rotten scum (British and otherwise) trying to start another Jewish supremacist war in the Middle East.

  65. Rurik says:
    @A123

    There are few options for handling an irrational mind supported by military power.

    are you suggesting we ‘do’ something about Bibi?

    how about we simply cut off all aid?

    I suspect that such an option would have an amazing effect, no?

  66. Rurik says:
    @lavoisier

    Not as bad as Hannity, but then who is?

    Laura Ingraham?

    Bret Stephens?

    Jonah Goldberg?

    Ben Shapiro?

    Actually my choice for ultimate human colostomy bag, would go to George Will.

    His lips are so firmly affixed to Sheldon Adelson’s ****, that a sucker fish can only look on with amazement.

  67. @Mulegino1

    “…they are a precursor to war and most likely caused by the plague bearing rodents ensconced in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and the Pentagon.”

    Please don’t insult rodents like that; the “life forms” you refer to are far, far lower than animals, especially rodents.

    BTW have you seen the following?

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/10/miriam-adelson-wants-book-trump-bible-possible/1700590001/?fbclid=IwAR0_IwXzGlWVOh5o0js22eWcfnq7f-TH8eZK-2n3gMu9Iiqn7ZLUtEUeWfs

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  68. @Rurik

    These pictures should grace the cover of the Time Magazine
    Cuck of the Year issue.

  69. @KenH

    I suspect Putin will let Iran absorb a working over and bide his time, waiting for ‘Murika to destroy itself through internal corruption.

    The problem for Russia and other countries is if ‘Murka tries to remedy its disintegration by attacking them.

  70. Avery says:
    @KenH

    {If it comes to blows then Iran better show some guts and unload some ordinance on Tel Aviv ….}

    I believe Iranians/Persians are too smart to attempt that.
    There is no doubt in my mind that Israelis are praying for Iranians to directly attack Tel Aviv: that will give the psychopaths in Tel Aviv the green light to attack IRI with nukes (most likely limited, tactical, and far away from Russian borders and Caucasus….so as not to force Russia to do something drastic).

    US will of course back Israel in that case 100%, and so will EU.
    The MSM here and in Europe will go on overdrive: yep, “…..Israel had the right to _defend_ (sic) itself.” For sure. For sure.

    Iranians can absorb and survive whatever massive conventional attack Israel (& US and her puppets) throw at her. I believe Iranians will not retaliate directly: they have mastered the art of asymmetric warfare, have friends and resources all over are and farther to cause pain and serious harm. And presumably Russia and China will in that case – i.e. Iran a genuine victim of Neocon aggression – have no restraints – from the viewpoint of International “Law” (sic), & UN and all that – to step in massively help Iran.

    One man’s opinion.

    You are absolutely right about one thing though: ‘…..Trump is first and foremost an agent of Netanyahu and Israel while acting as the American president is a distant second……’.

  71. @Kolya Krassotkin

    Muhammad Ali refuses to shoot his follow human beings on behalf of the would-be Hegemon.

  72. Mulegino1 says:
    @Harold Smith

    Thanks for the link.

    Good God. Madness. Sheer madness.

  73. gsjackson says:
    @Rurik

    I’m embarrassed to say that from 1977 to 1983 I would look forward to each Thursday and Sunday when I could get hold of a new George Will column to find out what my opinion was on whatever issue he had felt like holding forth on that day. Now I see him as not just a disgusting kiss-up who knows which side his bagel is buttered on, but yeah, the most egregious shabbos goy scumfuck out there, because he does have half a brain. An inveterate old foe of the truth.

  74. Rurik says:

    a disgusting kiss-up who knows which side his bagel is buttered on, but yeah, the most egregious shabbos goy scumfuck out there, because he does have half a brain. An inveterate old foe of the truth.

    yep

    The squalid heir to Bill Buckley’s duplicitous and servile cuckservatism.

    Neither of these ‘men’ are worthy of licking Joe Sobran’s boots.

    When I consider George Will, I’m reminded of that SNL skit where the parody asked ‘Senator Hagel’ if he’d perform a sex act on a donkey, if that’s what the ((PTB)) demanded.

    Doing so, would be far less ignoble than what George Will does at every opportunity.

    I’d have more respect for him if he worked as an ‘animal performer’ in a gay bar, than routinely selling his soul (and selling out his countrymen) to the ((highest bidder)).

  75. Regarding Tucker, would you not agree that, last week, he had an opportunity presented to him by the President, the Vice-President, his Fox colleague Sean Hannity, as well as a cavalcade of cuckservatives, to demonstrate his anti-Kosher bona-fides?

    What did he do with that opportunity? The “American nationalist” demonstrated that he is Hebrew National.

    Not one word about Trump’s conflating anti-Americanism with anti-Semitism.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  76. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Liberty Mike

    I don’t partake, but am not surprised.

    Mr. Carlson seems sincere, but no one condoned by the Establishment is a threat, or not for long. The dissidence of a Buchanan, Carlson, Democracy Now, etc., may be entertaining and even energizing, but ultimately helps the audience to rationalize a Red or Blue vote in the next Most Important Election Ever.

  77. ECONOMICS QUESTION

    Are Americans so stupid that they haven’t computed how bankrupt another war would leave the US?

    Look at how badly the US economy has swirled down the toilet in the last 20 years since Bush was elected and 9-11 began.

    Are Americans so stupid that they will be made to believe Iran will invade?

    Why are Americans stupid?

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