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Iran Nuclear Deal -- Alive or Dead?

Though every Republican in Congress voted against the Iran nuclear deal, “Tearing it up … is not going to happen,” says Sen. Bob Corker, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.

Hopefully, the chairman speaks for the president-elect.

During the campaign, Donald Trump indicated as much, saying that, though the U.S. got jobbed in the negotiations — “We have a horrible contract, but we do have a contract” — he might not walk away.

To Trump, a deal’s a deal, even a bad one. And we did get taken.

In 2007 and 2011, all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies assured us, “with high confidence,” that Iran did not have an atomic bomb program.

Yet our folks forked over $50 billion for an Iranian show and tell to prove they were not doing what our 17 intelligence agencies told us, again and again, they were not doing.

Why did we disbelieve our own intelligence, and buy into the “Chicken Little” chatter about Iran being “only months away from a bomb”?

Corker also administered a cold shower to those who darkly warn of a secret Iranian program to produce a bomb: “In spite of all the flaws in the agreement, nothing bad is going to happen relative to nuclear development in Iran in the next few years. It’s just not.”

Under the deal, Iran has put two-thirds of the 19,000 centrifuges at Natanz in storage, ceased enriching uranium to 20 percent at Fordow, poured concrete into the core of its heavy water reactor at Arak, and shipped 97 percent of its enriched uranium out of the country. Cameras and United Nations inspectors are all over the place.

Even should Iran decide on a crash program to create enough fissile material for a single A-bomb test, this would take a year, and we would know about it.

But why would they? After all, there are sound reasons of state why Iran decided over a decade ago to forego nuclear weapons.

Discovery of a bomb program could bring the same U.S. shock and awe as was visited on Iraq for its nonexistent WMD. Discovery would risk a pre-emptive strike by an Israel with scores of nuclear weapons. Saudi Arabia and Turkey would have a powerful inducement to build their own bombs.

Acquiring a nuclear weapon would almost surely make Iran, a Persian nation on the edge of a sea of Arabs, less secure.

If, however, in the absence of a violation of the treaty by Iran, we tore up the deal, we could find ourselves isolated. For Britain, France and Germany also signed, and they believe the agreement is a good one.

Do we really want to force these NATO allies to choose between the deal they agreed to and a break with the United States?

If the War Party is confident Iran is going to cheat, why not wait until they do. Then make our case with evidence, so our allies can go with us on principle, and not from pressure.

Also at issue is the deal signed by Boeing to sell Iran 80 jetliners. Airbus has contracted to sell Iran 100 planes, and begun delivery. List price for the two deals: $34.5 billion. Tens of thousands of U.S. jobs are at stake.

Is a Republican Congress prepared to blow up the Boeing deal and force the Europeans to cancel the Airbus deal?

Why? Some contend the planes can be used to transport the Iranian Republican Guard. But are the Iranians, who are looking to tourism, trade and investment to rescue their economy, so stupid as to spend $35 billion for troop transports they could buy from Vladimir Putin?

The Ayatollah’s regime may define itself by its hatred of the Great Satan. Still, in 2009, even our War Party was urging President Obama to publicly back the Green Movement uprising against the disputed victory of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

In 2013, moderates voted Hassan Rouhani into the presidency, where he began secret negotiations with the USA.

New elections will be held this year. And while the death of ex-President Rafsanjani this weekend has removed the powerful patron of Rouhani and strengthened the hard-liners, Ayatollah Khamenei is suffering from cancer, and the nation’s future remains undetermined.

Iran’s young seek to engage with the West. But if they are spurned, by the cancellation of the Boeing deal and the reimposition of U.S. sanctions, they will be disillusioned and discredited, and the mullahs will own the future.

How would that serve U.S. interests?

We still have sanctions on Iran for its missile tests in violation of Security Council resolutions, for its human rights violations, and for its support of groups like Hezbollah. But we also have in common with Iran an enmity for the Sunni terrorists of al-Qaida and ISIS.

We are today fighting in Libya, Yemen, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, as the War Party works to confront Beijing in the South China Sea, Russia in Ukraine and North Korea over its nuclear and missile tests.

Could we perhaps put the confrontation with Iran on hold?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of the new book “The Greatest Comeback: How Richard Nixon Rose From Defeat to Create the New Majority.”

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  1. To Trump, a deal’s a deal, even a bad one. And we did get taken.

    Get taken by whom and how? Iran has always maintained that it did not have nuclear program. The 17 intelligence agencies had stated with “high degree of confidence” that Iran stopped its nuclear program in 2003. By the way, the same agencies that all the democrats and republicans are now trusting with respect to hacking of the US elections by Russia.The only country that cried foul was Israel followed by its minions aka the neocons, NY Times, and Washington Post. So we did not get taken by Iran but, as usual, by Israel.

    All the IAEA reports so far have stated that Iran has been complying with the terms of the agreement.

    Correction: The secret negotiations started in Oman during the presidency of Mahmood Ahmadinejad.

    We still have sanctions on Iran for its missile tests in violation of Security Council resolutions, for its human rights violations, and for its support of groups like Hezbollah.

    Imposing sanctions on Iran for Human Rights violation is hypocrisy at its best. The worst Human Rights violators are Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, Israel, Turkey, and Egypt, yet they are our allies. No sanctions are imposed on them. Furthermore, US is not innocent of Human Rights violations either. Bombing civilians, hospitals, and wedding parties is a gross violation of their Human Rights.

    Mr. Buchanan, I asked you once before, please explain why is Hezbollah considered a terrorist organization? Just because Israel says some group is terrorist doesn’t make it terrorist. Doesn’t Hezbollah have the same right to defend itself as Israel does?

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  2. To Trump, a deal’s a deal, even a bad one. And we did get taken.

    You did. But not by the Iranians.

    Any true US patriot would be steaming about the way the US has been taken for a multi-decade ride by certain interest groups seeking to promote US confrontation of Iran for their own ulterior motives, and the way so much of the US foreign policy elite, in politics and in the media, has been so corrupt, so irrational or so literally stupid on the topic of Iran.

    Still, in 2009, even our War Party was urging President Obama to publicly back the Green Movement uprising against the disputed victory of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    The election of Ahmadinejad was “disputed” for much the same reasons and by the same types of people as tried and are trying to prevent and to “dispute” the election of Trump. Leftists don’t have the slightest compunction about demonising those who disagree with them, with using mobs and violence to overturn democratic decisions and with ignoring inconvenient rules and principles, whether they are American leftists or Iranian leftists.

    • Agree: MEexpert
    • Replies: @MEexpert
    Furthermore, independent pollsters and after election reports showed that the final result was as expected.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    One has to be daft to think the US did not try to subvert elections in Iran in 2009.

    The "Green movement" eruption in (upper-income, English-speaking) North Tehran had color revolution fingerprints all over it.
    The tragic death of Neda, fortuitously caught on camera and complete with fake blood, was vintage CIA.

    And since the new standard in US intelligence is “Judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact,” it is more than plausible to judge that Jeff Feltman managed Iran's faded Green Revolution.
    His activities demonstrate a pattern supporting such a judgment:

    --> In Feb 2008 Feltman testified before the U S State Department's United States Commission on International Religious Freedom http://www.uscirf.gov/news-room/press-releases/public-hearing-advancing-religious-freedom-and-related-human-rights-in-iran that the United States was funding NGOs in Iran, whose identities he, obviously, for their security, could not disclose, but whose purpose was to advance democracy in Iran (and overthrow Iran's government --- ssshhh).

    --> Feltman was the Clinton State Department's go-to guy in the Arab Sprung [sic] events in Tunisia and

    --> Feltman was Victoria "fuck the EU" Nuland Kagan's contact at UN while Nuland was handing out bagels in Ukraine.

    Interfere in another nation's political processes?? Who, US?

    While we're at it: In 2005 the George Bush administration pushed for democratic elections in Gaza.
    The move followed dreary US precedent since Wilson tried to overthrow the Bolsheviks in 1918; it worked out in the opposite direction:

    WaPo: Hamas Sweeps Palestinian Elections, Complicating Peace Efforts in Mideast January 27, 2006

    then

    NYTimes: Rice Admits U.S. Underestimated Hamas Strength Steven R Weisman JAN. 30, 2006


    Whereupon the Bushies, led by Condi Rice and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams hatched corrective measures, reprising Abrams' Iran-Contra scheme, for which he escaped punishment by plea-bargaining:

    After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, the author reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.
     
    One of the most fascinating things about the neocons is that they never learn!
  3. Obama doesn’t like Bebe. Me neither. That’s the only thing I can think of we have in common other than our humanity. And Obama’s only positive accomplishment in office was really a negative. He stopped the impending war on Iran. Good for him. This is negated of course by his stupid and dangerous lying belligerence toward Russia.

    I believe that Trump is sincere in his desire for rapprochement and cooperation with Russia. He must know that China and Iran are Russia’s allies. I like to think that Trump is not sincere in his belligerence against Iran but merely wants a bargaining chip in negations with Russia.

    I say let Trump be Trump when it comes to deal making. It is precisely because he prefers negotiation to intimidation that I support him. Trump was our first peace candidate since McGovern. Remarkably, he is now President Elect. Back in the day, when they would not “give peace a chance” I thought they never would. “They” still want eternal war but now they must contend with President Trump and his army of deplorables.

  4. @Randal

    To Trump, a deal’s a deal, even a bad one. And we did get taken.
     
    You did. But not by the Iranians.

    Any true US patriot would be steaming about the way the US has been taken for a multi-decade ride by certain interest groups seeking to promote US confrontation of Iran for their own ulterior motives, and the way so much of the US foreign policy elite, in politics and in the media, has been so corrupt, so irrational or so literally stupid on the topic of Iran.

    Still, in 2009, even our War Party was urging President Obama to publicly back the Green Movement uprising against the disputed victory of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
     
    The election of Ahmadinejad was "disputed" for much the same reasons and by the same types of people as tried and are trying to prevent and to "dispute" the election of Trump. Leftists don't have the slightest compunction about demonising those who disagree with them, with using mobs and violence to overturn democratic decisions and with ignoring inconvenient rules and principles, whether they are American leftists or Iranian leftists.

    Furthermore, independent pollsters and after election reports showed that the final result was as expected.

    • Replies: @Randal
    It was always transparently the usual self-servingly dishonest noise from the US regime and its tools.

    They've used the same method numerous times, even in Russia in 2011.
  5. @MEexpert
    Furthermore, independent pollsters and after election reports showed that the final result was as expected.

    It was always transparently the usual self-servingly dishonest noise from the US regime and its tools.

    They’ve used the same method numerous times, even in Russia in 2011.

  6. Why did we disbelieve our own intelligence, and buy into the “Chicken Little” chatter about Iran being “only months away from a bomb”?

    we didn’t

    anymore than we believe Putin hacked the election or shot down the plane or invaded Crimea or Saddam had WMD or Assad’s chemical weapons attack…

    it’s all lies and treachery intended to bolster the neocon War Party / Israel. Duh

    Corker also administered a cold shower to those who darkly warn of a secret Iranian program to produce a bomb:

    it’s encouraging to see Mr. Buchanan use rhetoric like this, that is clearly (and mockingly) referring to Bibi in an openly contemptuous way. It’s way past time that Americans show anything but contempt for that posturing, arrogant tub of pig shit over there in Tel Aviv.

    If the War Party is confident Iran is going to cheat, why not wait until they do. Then make our case with evidence, so our allies can go with us on principle, and not from pressure.

    because the War Party / Bibi never really believed Iran was working on nuclear weapons in the first place- for all the obvious reason Mr. Buchanan has stated. It was and is not about Iran’s fake nuclear weapons program, but about sending them reeling into the stone age to gratify the insatiable Old Testament hatred of the tribe. So they can wallow in one more opponent being visited by their OT god’s wrath. It is written.

    Does anyone believe that we attacked Iraq or Libya because of the stated reasons? Of course not. That’s absurd. We destroyed those countries in order to destroy them. Bibi and his Zionists don’t want America and NATO to reduce Iran to smoking ashes because of anything Iran did or might do, but rather for the sheer pleasure it gives them to project raw power over others, and make them suffer. Duh. And to bomb them into the stone age so that Israel and the Jews can lord it over them too, and put their boots on their necks like they did under the Shah with the Mossad-run SAVAK. They miss having Iran under their Zio-boot, and want to get them back there, so they can pump Miley Cyrus sewage into the souls of Iranians and humiliate them just like they do Americans and Europeans. Duh

    Why? Some contend the planes can be used to transport the Iranian Republican Guard

    How would that serve U.S. interests?

    Pat is laughing too when he writes this. He knows as well as the rest of us that none of these wars or aggressions or sanctions have anything whatsoever to do with serving US interests.

    We still have sanctions on Iran for its missile tests in violation of Security Council resolutions, for its human rights violations, and for its support of groups like Hezbollah. But we also have in common with Iran an enmity for the Sunni terrorists of al-Qaida and ISIS.

    “human rights violations” from the country that runs a torture camp and gives young men with severed spines a ‘rough ride’ to teach them a lesson

    “We also have in common…”

    Who is “We”? There has not been one foreign policy decision made in the US that has had the interest of the American people at heart for decades. “We” armed and funded those Sunni terrorists in order to sew strife and misery in the greater Levant. Good for Israel itz. And every one knows it. Including Donald Trump.

    What is going to be interesting, (to say the least) is when we find out if ‘putting America first’ (for the first time in decades) is really going to happen, or whether or not Donald Trump was a ruse all along, and will be cynically used to foist even more horrors and atrocities to sate the insatiable sadistic cruelty of the tribe. *That’s* what we’re all waiting to find out, and what Mr. Buchanan’s article is really about. Only he can’t say it like that.

  7. Once a lie develops without getting challenged or flagged and gutted, it spins its own narrative drawing more and more plagiarists to add ,spice,and blow things out of propitiation . There is only upshot and no down time in jail or retired zone or prospect of any pressure to seek a hideout in a desert land.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2010/12/the-phantom-menace-fantasies-falsehoods-and-fear-mongering-about-irans-nuclear-program/

    Chronology of scarecrow hovering over the sky

    An April 24, 1984 Jane’s Intelligence Defense Weekly
    on June 27, 1984, Minority Whip of the U.S. Senate Alan Cranston

    April 1987, the Washington Post
    By late 1991, Congressional reports and CIA assessment -

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    January 1992,
    February 1992
    March 1992The Arms Control Reporter
    May 1992 The European
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    The same year, Robert Gates
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    February 24, 1993, CIA director James Woolsey
    Spring of 1993, U.S. News & World Report, the New York Times, the conservative French weekly Paris Match, and Foreign Report -

    end of 1993, Theresa Hitchens and Brendan McNally of Defense News and National Defense University analysis

    http://www.nytimes.com/1995/01/05/world/iran-may-be-able-build-atomic-bomb-5-years-us-israeli-officials-fear.html

    -January 1995, John Holum, director of the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency, –
    Benjamin Netanyahu, in his 1995 book
    Defense Secretary Perry and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin 1995
    February 15, 1996, then-Israeli Foreign Minister Ehud Barak -

    On April 29, 1996, Israel’s then-Prime Minister Shimon Peres

    n March 1997, U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency director John Holum –

    1997 Hamburg’s Welt am Sonntag, the German Federal Intelligence Service (BND -

    On June 26, 1997, the U.S. military commander in the Persian Gulf, General Binford Peay, –

    In September 1997, Jane’s Intelligence Defense Review reported that former U.S. Secretary of State Warren Christopher declared

    Writing in the Jerusalem Post on April 9, 1998, Steve Rodan claimed “Documents obtained by the Jerusalem Post -

    On October 21, 1998, General Anthony Zinni, head of U.S. Central Command, said Iran –

    on November 21, 1999, a senior Israeli military official was quoted by AP reporter Ron Kampeas –
    December 9, 1999, General Zinni reiterated his assessment –

    January 2000 New York Times article co-authored by Judith Miller

    March 9, 2000, the BBC stated that German intelligence once again believed -

    The Telegraph reported on September 27, 2000 that the CIA believes –

    the summer of 2001, Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer was warning

    – In early 2002, the CIA again issued a report alleging that -
    During his “Axis-of-Evil” State of the Union address on January 29, 2002, George W. Bush declared –

    July 29, 2002, U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Marshall Billingslea testified to the Senate –

    CNBC on February 2003, U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton
    That same month, the Los Angeles Times stated that “there is evidence that Iran is -

    The Telegraph reported on June 1, 2003 that “Senior Pentagon officials are proposing

    CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll taken in late June 2003 asked Americans, [ Stupidity was validated at the safe democratic consciousness offering legitimacy to the liars and empowered the sharpness, visibility and the prowess of lying ]

    August 5, 2003 report in the Jerusalem Post stated that

    October 21, 2003, Major General Aharon Ze’evi, Israel’s Director of Military Intelligence, declared in Ha’aretz

    mid-November 2003, Mossad intelligence service chief Meir Dagan testified

    early 2004, Ken Brill, U.S. Ambassador to the IAEA, reiterated the American position

    January 24, 2005, Mossad chief Meir Dagan again claimed… On January 28, the Guardian quoted Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz stating the same thing. -

    A week later, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on CNN –

    August 2005, a “high-ranking IDF officer” told the Jerusalem Post that Israel has revised -
    Two weeks later, however, Israeli military chief General Aharon Zeevi contradicted both -[arguing 2008 instead of 2012 ]

    November 2005, Mohammad Mohaddessin, chair of the so-called National Council of Resistance of Iran -

    January 18, 2006, Donald Rumsfeld told Fox News that Iran -

    CBS News reported on April 26, 2007-

    On July 11, 2007, Ha’aretz reported-

    Israeli President Shimon Peres issued an official statement on October 18, 2007 that claimed –

    A report released on February 7, 2008 by the Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) asserted that -
    Less than a week later, Israeli Prime Minster Ehud Olmert told reporters, “We are certain –

    n June 28, 2008, Shabtai Shavit, a former Mossad deputy director and influential adviser to the Israeli Knesset’s Defense and Foreign Affairs Committee, told –

    In November 2008, David Sanger and William Broad of The New York Times reported that “Iran has -

    Thomas B. Cochran, a senior scientist in the nuclear program of the Natural Resources Defense Council declared, “They have a weapon’s worth.” Peter D. Zimmerman, a physicist and former United States government arms scientist, cautioned that Iran was “very close” –

    David Blair, writing in The Telegraph on January 27, 2009, reported that the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) “

    February 12, 2009, CIA Director-to-be Leon Panetta, told a Capitol Hill hearing,
    Later that month, Benjamin Netanyahu, then a candidate for Israeli Prime Minister, told a Congressional delegation led by Maryland Senator Ben Cardin –

    Speaking in private with U.S. Congressmembers in late Spring 2009, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak –
    ” In mid-June 2009, Mossad chief Meir Dagan said, “the Iranians will have by 2014 -

    On July 8, 2009, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen, speaking at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, warned –
    A week later, Germany’s BND foreign intelligence agency declared Iran was capable of producin -

    on August 3, The Times (UK) reported that Iran had -
    nOv 2009 head of Israel’s Defense Ministry Intelligence Analysis Production, Brigadier General Yossi Baidatz -

    The Times (UK) reported on January 10, 2010 that retired Israeli brigadier-general and former director-general of Israel’s Atomic Energy Commission Uzi Eilam “believes it -
    peaking in Doha, Qatar on February 14, 2010, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton addressed, what she called, “Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons.” –

    t an April 14, 2010 hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Lieutenant General Burgess, stated that Iran could -

    David Sanger and William Broad of the New York Times reported on May 31, 2010 that “Iran has –
    The U.S. House of Representatives passed a bill on June 24, 2010, introduced by Democratic Congressman Jim Costa of California, that “condemn[ed] the Government of Iran’s -

    CIA Director Leon Panetta said on June 27, 2010, Iran would need two year -

    On July 22, 2010, nearly a third of House Republicans signed onto a resolution which stated that “Iran continues its pursuit of nuclear weapons” and “express[ed -

    On August 19, 2010, the New York Times quoted Gary Samore, President Obama’s top adviser on nuclear issues, as saying -

    2010 The Telegraph declared that Iran was “on [the] brink of [a] nuclear weapon,”

    September 2009 cover story for The Atlantic, entitled “The Point of No Return,” Jeffrey Goldberg

    Joint Chiefs chairman Mullen, speaking in Bahrain on December 18, 2010, said,
    December 22, 2010, the great prognosticator Sarah Palin -

    two days ago, December 29, 2010, Reuters quoted Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Moshe Yaalon as claiming -

    http://mondoweiss.net/2010/12/the-phantom-menace-fantasies-falsehoods-and-fear-mongering-about-irans-nuclear-program/

  8. @Randal

    To Trump, a deal’s a deal, even a bad one. And we did get taken.
     
    You did. But not by the Iranians.

    Any true US patriot would be steaming about the way the US has been taken for a multi-decade ride by certain interest groups seeking to promote US confrontation of Iran for their own ulterior motives, and the way so much of the US foreign policy elite, in politics and in the media, has been so corrupt, so irrational or so literally stupid on the topic of Iran.

    Still, in 2009, even our War Party was urging President Obama to publicly back the Green Movement uprising against the disputed victory of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
     
    The election of Ahmadinejad was "disputed" for much the same reasons and by the same types of people as tried and are trying to prevent and to "dispute" the election of Trump. Leftists don't have the slightest compunction about demonising those who disagree with them, with using mobs and violence to overturn democratic decisions and with ignoring inconvenient rules and principles, whether they are American leftists or Iranian leftists.

    One has to be daft to think the US did not try to subvert elections in Iran in 2009.

    The “Green movement” eruption in (upper-income, English-speaking) North Tehran had color revolution fingerprints all over it.
    The tragic death of Neda, fortuitously caught on camera and complete with fake blood, was vintage CIA.

    And since the new standard in US intelligence is “Judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact,” it is more than plausible to judge that Jeff Feltman managed Iran’s faded Green Revolution.
    His activities demonstrate a pattern supporting such a judgment:

    –> In Feb 2008 Feltman testified before the U S State Department’s United States Commission on International Religious Freedom http://www.uscirf.gov/news-room/press-releases/public-hearing-advancing-religious-freedom-and-related-human-rights-in-iran that the United States was funding NGOs in Iran, whose identities he, obviously, for their security, could not disclose, but whose purpose was to advance democracy in Iran (and overthrow Iran’s government — ssshhh).

    –> Feltman was the Clinton State Department’s go-to guy in the Arab Sprung [sic] events in Tunisia and

    –> Feltman was Victoria “fuck the EU” Nuland Kagan’s contact at UN while Nuland was handing out bagels in Ukraine.

    Interfere in another nation’s political processes?? Who, US?

    While we’re at it: In 2005 the George Bush administration pushed for democratic elections in Gaza.
    The move followed dreary US precedent since Wilson tried to overthrow the Bolsheviks in 1918; it worked out in the opposite direction:

    WaPo: Hamas Sweeps Palestinian Elections, Complicating Peace Efforts in Mideast January 27, 2006

    then

    NYTimes: Rice Admits U.S. Underestimated Hamas Strength Steven R Weisman JAN. 30, 2006

    Whereupon the Bushies, led by Condi Rice and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams hatched corrective measures, reprising Abrams’ Iran-Contra scheme, for which he escaped punishment by plea-bargaining:

    After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, the author reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.

    One of the most fascinating things about the neocons is that they never learn!

    • Replies: @MEexpert
    And don't forget Jeffery Feltman's interference in the election in Lebanon. He has been busy in the Middle East on behalf of his patron, i.e. Israel.
    , @jacques sheete

    One of the most fascinating things about the neocons is that they never learn!
     
    Why should they? Doncha know that they already know everything? ;)
  9. Mr. Buchanan wrote another article for the MSM that MSM will ignore. When will he learn and start writing for people who continue to read him. Sitting on the fence is a very uncomfortable position. He must be spending a fortune on Preparation H.

  10. @SolontoCroesus
    One has to be daft to think the US did not try to subvert elections in Iran in 2009.

    The "Green movement" eruption in (upper-income, English-speaking) North Tehran had color revolution fingerprints all over it.
    The tragic death of Neda, fortuitously caught on camera and complete with fake blood, was vintage CIA.

    And since the new standard in US intelligence is “Judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact,” it is more than plausible to judge that Jeff Feltman managed Iran's faded Green Revolution.
    His activities demonstrate a pattern supporting such a judgment:

    --> In Feb 2008 Feltman testified before the U S State Department's United States Commission on International Religious Freedom http://www.uscirf.gov/news-room/press-releases/public-hearing-advancing-religious-freedom-and-related-human-rights-in-iran that the United States was funding NGOs in Iran, whose identities he, obviously, for their security, could not disclose, but whose purpose was to advance democracy in Iran (and overthrow Iran's government --- ssshhh).

    --> Feltman was the Clinton State Department's go-to guy in the Arab Sprung [sic] events in Tunisia and

    --> Feltman was Victoria "fuck the EU" Nuland Kagan's contact at UN while Nuland was handing out bagels in Ukraine.

    Interfere in another nation's political processes?? Who, US?

    While we're at it: In 2005 the George Bush administration pushed for democratic elections in Gaza.
    The move followed dreary US precedent since Wilson tried to overthrow the Bolsheviks in 1918; it worked out in the opposite direction:

    WaPo: Hamas Sweeps Palestinian Elections, Complicating Peace Efforts in Mideast January 27, 2006

    then

    NYTimes: Rice Admits U.S. Underestimated Hamas Strength Steven R Weisman JAN. 30, 2006


    Whereupon the Bushies, led by Condi Rice and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams hatched corrective measures, reprising Abrams' Iran-Contra scheme, for which he escaped punishment by plea-bargaining:

    After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, the author reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.
     
    One of the most fascinating things about the neocons is that they never learn!

    And don’t forget Jeffery Feltman’s interference in the election in Lebanon. He has been busy in the Middle East on behalf of his patron, i.e. Israel.

  11. how will trump or any us politician kill the deal which is support by the EU, russia and china? dream on.

  12. @SolontoCroesus
    One has to be daft to think the US did not try to subvert elections in Iran in 2009.

    The "Green movement" eruption in (upper-income, English-speaking) North Tehran had color revolution fingerprints all over it.
    The tragic death of Neda, fortuitously caught on camera and complete with fake blood, was vintage CIA.

    And since the new standard in US intelligence is “Judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact,” it is more than plausible to judge that Jeff Feltman managed Iran's faded Green Revolution.
    His activities demonstrate a pattern supporting such a judgment:

    --> In Feb 2008 Feltman testified before the U S State Department's United States Commission on International Religious Freedom http://www.uscirf.gov/news-room/press-releases/public-hearing-advancing-religious-freedom-and-related-human-rights-in-iran that the United States was funding NGOs in Iran, whose identities he, obviously, for their security, could not disclose, but whose purpose was to advance democracy in Iran (and overthrow Iran's government --- ssshhh).

    --> Feltman was the Clinton State Department's go-to guy in the Arab Sprung [sic] events in Tunisia and

    --> Feltman was Victoria "fuck the EU" Nuland Kagan's contact at UN while Nuland was handing out bagels in Ukraine.

    Interfere in another nation's political processes?? Who, US?

    While we're at it: In 2005 the George Bush administration pushed for democratic elections in Gaza.
    The move followed dreary US precedent since Wilson tried to overthrow the Bolsheviks in 1918; it worked out in the opposite direction:

    WaPo: Hamas Sweeps Palestinian Elections, Complicating Peace Efforts in Mideast January 27, 2006

    then

    NYTimes: Rice Admits U.S. Underestimated Hamas Strength Steven R Weisman JAN. 30, 2006


    Whereupon the Bushies, led by Condi Rice and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams hatched corrective measures, reprising Abrams' Iran-Contra scheme, for which he escaped punishment by plea-bargaining:

    After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, the author reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.
     
    One of the most fascinating things about the neocons is that they never learn!

    One of the most fascinating things about the neocons is that they never learn!

    Why should they? Doncha know that they already know everything? ;)

  13. Even if Iran builds a bomb there is nothing the US can do about it. Are we really going to kill tens of millions of largely innocent people because a handful of Iranian government officials decided to build a bomb? Let’s also not forget that it very well might mean the end of Israel if the Iranians do get it and are attacked.

    Iran has uranium and mountains it can burrow into such that no weapon in the US arsenal can touch them. The only thing stopping the Iranians is Iran. You don’t need computer controlled instruments to build a bomb – it just makes it easier.

    Did our belligerence toward North Korea cause it to develop it’s own bomb – probably not, the leadership there doesn’t care about the well-being of the populace. Is Iran in the same boat, it doesn’t seem so but our constant belligerence probably doesn’t help.

    The bottom line is that bomb or not, there is really nothing we can do to Iran short of all-out war. It is time to recognize the reality on the ground and open up with Iran.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus

    Did our belligerence toward North Korea cause it to develop it’s own bomb – probably not, the leadership there doesn’t care about the well-being of the populace. Is Iran in the same boat, it doesn’t seem so but our constant belligerence probably doesn’t help.
     
    It's nuts to compare N Korea and Iran; totally different situations.

    NK has nukes; Iran does not, has publicly and repeatedly said it does not want nuclear weapons.

    imo Iran's leaders do care about the well-being of the Iranian people: post-revolutionary Iran has implemented vast improvements in rural life -- the most remote village is fully electrified: (I visited a shepherd's villages literally hanging from the mountainside near Keng; it had full-coverage cellular service); in health care; in educational opportunities, especially for women.

    Iran has employed its intellectual capital to make significant advances in nanotechnology and medical science, in addition to practical innovations in the delivery of health care; for example, Iran’s achievements in primary health care and the way Iran's model has been emulated in rural Mississippi.

    These are not signifiers of a leadership that does not care about its people, nor one that needs to fear-monger to keep its populace compliant.
    , @Avery
    The vile, utter hypocrisy of US and EU endlessly yapping about the non-existent nuke weapons of Iran is nauseating.

    Pakistan, a radical Islamist state, already has dozens of nukes and well tested delivery vehicles. The West should really worry about Pakistan and its nukes, instead of Iran.

    The only reason Iran is in the US crosshairs, is because Iran's leaders vociferously complain about Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians.
    Unlike Palestinians' own Arab brethren.

    And, btw: US helped Islamistan Pakistan develop nukes.
    Go figure.
  14. @MarkinLA
    Even if Iran builds a bomb there is nothing the US can do about it. Are we really going to kill tens of millions of largely innocent people because a handful of Iranian government officials decided to build a bomb? Let's also not forget that it very well might mean the end of Israel if the Iranians do get it and are attacked.

    Iran has uranium and mountains it can burrow into such that no weapon in the US arsenal can touch them. The only thing stopping the Iranians is Iran. You don't need computer controlled instruments to build a bomb - it just makes it easier.

    Did our belligerence toward North Korea cause it to develop it's own bomb - probably not, the leadership there doesn't care about the well-being of the populace. Is Iran in the same boat, it doesn't seem so but our constant belligerence probably doesn't help.

    The bottom line is that bomb or not, there is really nothing we can do to Iran short of all-out war. It is time to recognize the reality on the ground and open up with Iran.

    Did our belligerence toward North Korea cause it to develop it’s own bomb – probably not, the leadership there doesn’t care about the well-being of the populace. Is Iran in the same boat, it doesn’t seem so but our constant belligerence probably doesn’t help.

    It’s nuts to compare N Korea and Iran; totally different situations.

    NK has nukes; Iran does not, has publicly and repeatedly said it does not want nuclear weapons.

    imo Iran’s leaders do care about the well-being of the Iranian people: post-revolutionary Iran has implemented vast improvements in rural life — the most remote village is fully electrified: (I visited a shepherd’s villages literally hanging from the mountainside near Keng; it had full-coverage cellular service); in health care; in educational opportunities, especially for women.

    Iran has employed its intellectual capital to make significant advances in nanotechnology and medical science, in addition to practical innovations in the delivery of health care; for example, Iran’s achievements in primary health care and the way Iran’s model has been emulated in rural Mississippi.

    These are not signifiers of a leadership that does not care about its people, nor one that needs to fear-monger to keep its populace compliant.

  15. @MarkinLA
    Even if Iran builds a bomb there is nothing the US can do about it. Are we really going to kill tens of millions of largely innocent people because a handful of Iranian government officials decided to build a bomb? Let's also not forget that it very well might mean the end of Israel if the Iranians do get it and are attacked.

    Iran has uranium and mountains it can burrow into such that no weapon in the US arsenal can touch them. The only thing stopping the Iranians is Iran. You don't need computer controlled instruments to build a bomb - it just makes it easier.

    Did our belligerence toward North Korea cause it to develop it's own bomb - probably not, the leadership there doesn't care about the well-being of the populace. Is Iran in the same boat, it doesn't seem so but our constant belligerence probably doesn't help.

    The bottom line is that bomb or not, there is really nothing we can do to Iran short of all-out war. It is time to recognize the reality on the ground and open up with Iran.

    The vile, utter hypocrisy of US and EU endlessly yapping about the non-existent nuke weapons of Iran is nauseating.

    Pakistan, a radical Islamist state, already has dozens of nukes and well tested delivery vehicles. The West should really worry about Pakistan and its nukes, instead of Iran.

    The only reason Iran is in the US crosshairs, is because Iran’s leaders vociferously complain about Israel’s mistreatment of Palestinians.
    Unlike Palestinians’ own Arab brethren.

    And, btw: US helped Islamistan Pakistan develop nukes.
    Go figure.

    • Replies: @MEexpert

    The only reason Iran is in the US crosshairs, is because Iran’s leaders vociferously complain about Israel’s mistreatment of Palestinians.
    Unlike Palestinians’ own Arab brethren.
     
    You nailed it. US started the Iranian nuclear program under the Shah. There was no problem then because Shah was chummy with Israel and was a US Proxy and kept the Gulf Sheikdoms in check.

    The post revolution Iran has always maintained that she is not interested in developing a nuclear weapon and is a signatory to the NPT. Doing nuclear research does not equal a nuclear weapon.

    Israel has 200-300 nuclear weapons and has not signed on to NPT.
  16. @Avery
    The vile, utter hypocrisy of US and EU endlessly yapping about the non-existent nuke weapons of Iran is nauseating.

    Pakistan, a radical Islamist state, already has dozens of nukes and well tested delivery vehicles. The West should really worry about Pakistan and its nukes, instead of Iran.

    The only reason Iran is in the US crosshairs, is because Iran's leaders vociferously complain about Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians.
    Unlike Palestinians' own Arab brethren.

    And, btw: US helped Islamistan Pakistan develop nukes.
    Go figure.

    The only reason Iran is in the US crosshairs, is because Iran’s leaders vociferously complain about Israel’s mistreatment of Palestinians.
    Unlike Palestinians’ own Arab brethren.

    You nailed it. US started the Iranian nuclear program under the Shah. There was no problem then because Shah was chummy with Israel and was a US Proxy and kept the Gulf Sheikdoms in check.

    The post revolution Iran has always maintained that she is not interested in developing a nuclear weapon and is a signatory to the NPT. Doing nuclear research does not equal a nuclear weapon.

    Israel has 200-300 nuclear weapons and has not signed on to NPT.

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