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“Pay the soldiers. The rest do not matter.”

This was the deathbed counsel given to his sons by Roman Emperor Septimius Severus in A.D. 211.

Nicolas Maduro must today appreciate the emperor’s insight.

For the political survival of this former bus driver and union boss hangs now upon whether Venezuela’s armed forces choose to stand by him or to desert him and support National Assembly leader Juan Guaido.

Wednesday, Guaido declared Maduro’s election last May to a second six-year term to be a sham, and had himself inaugurated as acting president.

Thursday, the defense minister and army chief General Vladimir Padrino Lopez, with his top brass, dismissed the 35-year-old Guaido as a U.S. puppet, and pledged allegiance to Maduro.

Friday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told the U.N. Security Council: “Now it is time for every other nation to pick a side. … Either you stand with the forces of freedom, or you’re in league with Maduro and his mayhem.”

By Friday, however, the world had already taken sides.

Russia and China stood by Maduro, as did NATO ally Turkey, with President Erdogan phoning his support. Mexico, Nicaragua, Cuba and Bolivia were also with Maduro.

Backing Guaido are Venezuela’s neighbors Ecuador, Brazil and Colombia, the U.S. and Canada, and the Organization of American States.

Britain, France, Germany and Spain have sent Maduro a diplomatic ultimatum: Agree in eight days to new elections or we back the 35-year-old Guaido, who, until this year, was an unknown.

All options are on the table, says President Donald Trump. But Russia called Guaido’s action a “quasi-coup” and warned that intervention could result in “catastrophic consequences.” Vladimir Putin also phoned Maduro with his support.

The stakes for all sides here are huge. Russia has contractors in Venezuela and has lent the regime billions. In a show of solidarity, Putin recently flew two strategic bombers to Venezuela.

China has loaned Venezuela tens of billions, with Caracas paying Beijing back in oil.

Cuba has sent military and intelligence officers to maintain internal security. Hugo Chavez had seen in Fidel Castro a father figure and modeled his new Venezuela on Castro’s Cuba — with similar results.

Where hundreds of thousands fled Castro’s revolution in the 1960s, three million Venezuelans have fled to Ecuador, Brazil, Colombia and other South American countries and the USA.

The economy is in a shambles. Though Venezuela has the largest oil reserves on earth, production is a fraction of what it once was. Cronyism and corruption are endemic. Inflation has destroyed the currency. There is poverty, malnutrition and shortages of every necessity of modern life.

Yet, still, the crucial question: What will the soldiers do? And if the military stands with Maduro, and Maduro refuses to go, what do the Americans do to force him out?

Invade? That would invite disaster. Venezuela is not Panama, Haiti or Grenada. Larger than Texas, its population is more than 30 million. And U.S. forces are already committed around the world.

ORDER IT NOW

A blockade and sanctions would magnify and deepen the suffering of the people of Venezuela long before they would bring down the regime. Would our allies support a blockade? And if years of suffering by the Venezuelan people have not shaken Maduro’s hold on power, what makes us believe more of the same would persuade him?

Maduro and his army are being offered amnesty if they peacefully depart. But what would Maduro’s fate be if he flees?

If he gives up power under U.S. threat, he is finished and disgraced as a coward. Would he not prefer to go down fighting?

And if the leadership of the army should abandon Maduro, there are younger ambitious officers who would surely see a rewarding future in fighting to save the regime.

Are we inviting a civil war in Venezuela? Should the shooting start in Caracas, what do we do then?

Did anyone think this through?

Maduro is an incompetent brutal dictator whose ideology has helped to destroy a nation. But if he can change the narrative from a confrontation between a tyrant and his persecuted people to that of an embattled defender of Venezuela being attacked by Yankee imperialists and their domestic lackeys, that could resonate among the masses in Latin America.

And from all indications, Maduro intends to defy the U.S. and rally the radicals and anti-Americans in the hemisphere and the Third World.

Guiado’s constitutional claim to the presidency of Venezuela was a scheme cooked up in collusion with Washington, made in the USA, with Secretary of State Pompeo, John Bolton and Sen. Marco Rubio signing on, and President Trump signing off. This was Plan A.

But if Plan A does not succeed, and Maduro, with America’s prestige on the line, defies our demand that he yield, what do we do then? What is Plan B?

“Assad must go!” said Barack Obama. Well, Assad is still there — and Obama is gone.

Will the same be said of Maduro?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

Copyright 2019 Creators.com.

 
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  1. Talha says:

    Invade? That would invite disaster.

    And likely more Venezuelans marching north to get into the US because we turned their country into a worse situation. Yipppeeee!!!

    Is this all part of the plan?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @republic
    , @RobRich
  2. Regarding Plan A or Plan B, a President who promised to drain the swamp would, of course, not take the counsel of swamp creatures, particularly the most ((( flagitious ))) of them, as he would not have surrounded himself with the same.

  3. republic says:
    @Talha

    I am sure that the US will get a lot of Venezuelan refugees.

  4. The takeaway from this is that despite any nation having vast resources of great economic value, once it decides to pursue a policy of independence and self-determination, it will be targeted for regime change, great suffering of the innocent populace and its ultimate destruction.

    Having the 4th July as US Independence Day is a total farce and it’s time that the American people rejected the pointless celebratory parades and used the day as a day of protest instead.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Svigor
  5. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    Top 5 Dumbest Arguments Defending Trump’s Venezuela Interventionism

    By Caitlin Johnstone
    CaitlinJohnstone.com

    January 28, 2019

  6. A123 says:

    There is a huge difference between the U.S. giving words of support to President Guaido and the U.S. mounting some type of military operation. Trump is trying to disentangle the U.S. from the failed Bush/Obama globalist adventurism.

    Ultimately, the Venezuelan people will have to make a choice.
    — Do they want the hell that Chavez and Maduro have created?
    — Or, do they want to throw off tyranny for the hope of a better future?

    If they choose poorly the situation will get worse… However, there is little that anyone can do from the outside if the people choose to reduce Venezuela to another failed Socalist/Communist state like North Korea.

    • Agree: Svigor
  7. llloyd says:

    Maduro belongs to the Socialist tradition once familiar to Americans in such folk heroes as Upton Sinclair. Generations of cold war history and ideology have made Americans forget it and fall for the demonisation of democratic socialism by Wall Street. In world media, the American Governmnet has succeeded in making Maduro hugely and Hugo Chavez popular. It gives America the pr of a poisonous slug and a snake which are what many senior American officials resemble. Maduro was a former Foreign Minister not just an honest hard working bus driver.

    • Replies: @RobRich
  8. PavewayIV says:

    The false-flag ‘attack on NATO member Colombia’ is Plan C, Pat. See Twitter for Bolton’s 5,000 U.S. troops to Colombia. With the abject failure of the U.S. neocons in Afghanistan pretty much chiseled in stone, they got troops-a-plenty for other immoral, illegal foreign adventures.

    This one will be easy – Venezuela is already moving troops and artillery to the border anticipating such an attack. A few CIA or Mossad operators sneak into Venezuela and send a few rockets/mortars into Colombian troops (also massed at the Venezuela border). See? The Colombian troops will have no choice but to defend themselves – by invading Venezuela and overthrowing the government. Do they have the military capability? Of course. It’s called NATO Article 5 – Collective Defense. A false flag attack on any NATO ally is considered an attack on ALL NATO allies. FUKUS will run the show, with the usual second-stringers tossing in some token meat.

    Psychopaths stick with what works. Remeber Maidan? Yeah… I’ll be looking for U.S. snipers to take out a few Guaido supporters at the big rally this Wednesday, for the sole purpose of giving the MSM something to cry about before the false flag.

    Plan A wasn’t for Guaido to declare himself president. The U.S. planned to have Maduro assassinated by now (drone or whatever) but we (well, our CIA) apparently blew it. With Maduro dead, Guaido WOULD HAVE AUTOMATICALLY been president according to Venezuela’s constitution – no ‘voting’ nonsense or costly coups required. Considered in that context, the bizarre self/US declaration of Guaido as president would have made perfect sense.

    We’re just being subject to the poorly-though-out Plan B: “Damn! We couldn’t assassinate Maduro. Well, let’s just ignore that and claim our boy Guaido is president under constitutional authority. Maybe nobody will notice!” Must not have had much conviction in that one, so Plan C – Genocide by NATO – will be invoked. Psychopaths, oil, gold, patterns… the writing is on the wall.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @densa
    , @niceland
  9. Yee says:

    No wonder so many Latinos want to go to the USA…

    The US want so much to rule Latin America nations, it’s only fair it rules their people too, not just their governments.

  10. @NoseytheDuke

    My thoughts exactly. The USA is so used to bullying the rest of the world and getting away with it that it thinks it can do so indefinitely. Now they’re trotting out the old, discredited Monroe Doctrine, which has been used as a sledgehammer for two hundred years to lord over any countries south of Texas that get a little too uppity.

    But one can only hope that the chickens have finally come home to roost. China and Russia have vast investments in Venezuela. They are stronger while the USA grows increasingly weaker, with civil war possibly on the horizon. Are those other two world powers going to turn tail and run?

    The post-WWII consensus, with the USA calling the shots, may be coming to an end, and it can’t come soon enough. Trump, Pompeo, and Bolton are now reviled in the rest of the world as cartoon figures. They’re like Moe, Larry, and Curley. Pitiful CIA-danger man Pompeo has stooped to channeling W’s call that you’re either with the US or you’re with the Terrorists. Does anyone still think that Trump has a clue when it comes to foreign affairs? How does this end well?

  11. @republic

    ‘I am sure that the US will get a lot of Venezuelan refugees.’

    Only if we send troops. Whatever we do, we mustn’t send troops. That’ll lead to six million Venezuelan-Americans.

    • Agree: Endgame Napoleon
  12. @PavewayIV

    Well, the CIA spooks could always slip something into Maduro’s soup to give him inoperable brain cancer. It worked on Hugo Chavez, didn’t it?

  13. The Never-Trumpers have to be loving this–they can bash Trump no matter what happens. If he invades, he’s an imperialist warmonger. If he doesn’t invade, he’s Putin’s stooge.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  14. @Yee

    Notice that the Latin American nations backing the US are getting flooded by Venezuelan migrants, fleeing the Maduro regime. Their skin pigmentation protects Latin Americans from being called racist and fascist for opposing mass-scale immigration, but when white Americans oppose the immigration invasion, we are denounced.

    This really is about oil, whereas the ME overeach isn’t since countries like Libya supply Europe with oil, not the USA. When the shale-oil tulip bulb wilts, revealing that none of the companies on the hook for billions in borrowed money made a profit via fracking, America will need oil. Apparently, the easy-access oil from the best fracking sites has already been exhausted. From now on, they will have to undertake more painstaking processes to extract fracked oil, and it was hard to get to in the first place.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  15. Escher says:

    I wonder how much of the current troubles in Venezuela can be traced back to the sanctions imposed by the US a few years back.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
  16. Ah am glad ta see them Yankees werkin’ fer Trump finally see the light ’bout nation-building!
    Before we kin build us a proper Venez-ooo-whale-uh we need to tear it down some more!
    Mah buddy Dick still has hisself a big ‘ol chunk o oil service company stocks, just like mah friends the LBJ family.
    Talk aboutcher bi-partisan.
    Venez-ooo-whale-uh is gonna need ta git them oil wells pumpin’ agin – just as soon as we kin git them pesko Maduro creeps outta there.
    That means we’re gonna be sellin’ them boatloads of oilfield gear. Like an ice cream stand in the desert! Cha-ching!
    Say – does anybody know anythang ’bout this here Guaido feller?
    Sounds like “Guido” – like some kinda mafiaso or somthin. Get it?
    Guess we shoulda learnt something ’bout that ol’ boy. Talk aboutcher strategery!!
    Oh well, if he’s trouble a drone strike sure solves a lotta problems.
    Mah buddy Barry sure was handy with them drone strikes.
    Say, did y’all ever figger out that me ‘n Barry ‘n Hillary was just three sides of the same coin?

  17. @follyofwar

    “Does anyone still think that Trump has a clue when it comes to foreign affairs?”

    I often wonder: Does anyone still think that Jack the Ripper had a clue when it came to dating women? He was so clueless he thought he should disembowel them on the first date. How naive can a person be?

    “How does this end well?”

    Is it supposed to end “well”?

  18. Biff says:

    Chavez had seen in Fidel Castro a father figure and modeled his new Venezuela on Castro’s Cuba

    That’s a bogus statement on multiple levels. Even if Chavez wanted to, and maybe he did, he simply had too much internal political pressure against turning so much property into State owned capitol. The oil industry was about the only thing he could nationalize, and that’s all Wall Street cares about anyway.

    The ONLY reason Venezuela is in the news is because of OIL!

    If Ecuador had that much oil they would be electing the wrong people too.

    • Agree: Rabbitnexus, L.K
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @map
  19. @Rex Little

    “If he invades, he’s an imperialist warmonger. If he doesn’t invade, he’s Putin’s stooge.”

    I know if it were me in his position, I’d betray my supporters and my country, commit heinous war crimes, mass-murder thousands of people, risk planetary extinction, etc., rather than have a bunch of devil-worshiping, demon-possessed jewish-supremacist madmen label me “Putin’s stooge”.

  20. @A123

    While I am not at all certain that I really want to emigrate to North Korea right now, I am not certain that “failed state” is the word you want to describe North Korea with, either.

  21. Anonymous[356] • Disclaimer says:

    An attack on sovereignty in one country, is an attack on sovereignty of all countries. It’s really as simple as that. Funding, arming and facilitating coups in backwater failed states tightens the noose around our own necks. We do not want the bankers and their four star mercenaries deciding who the president is in Venezuela or anywhere else.

    I hate communists and Marxist ideology, but in this case I say viva Maduro

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
  22. Maduro may be incompetent but he either neither a dictator nor brutal. However the biggest problem besetting Venezuela is the US skulduggery and sanctions as usual. Ongoing since Chavez’s time.

  23. Gyre07 says:

    Colombia is a NATO ‘partner’, not to be confused with a NATO ‘member’.

  24. @Yee

    This is what disaster looks like..

  25. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    “But if Plan A does not succeed, and Maduro, with America’s prestige on the line, defies our demand that he yield, what do we do then? What is Plan B?”

    Please define:

    1. America
    2. our
    3. we

    Pat’s pronoun propaganda keeps people in Nebraska rooting for Uncle Sam, sending their money to Washington so the names of their sons can go up on green signs next to potholed roads.

    “Mr. Paleoconservative”? When it comes to matters beyond his country, Mr. Buchanan is a right-sized imperialist.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Harold Smith
  26. @Escher

    I wonder how much of the current troubles in Venezuela can be traced back to the sanctions imposed by the US a few years back.

    Venezuela crisis: Former UN rapporteur says US sanctions are killing citizens

    The first UN rapporteur to visit Venezuela for 21 years has told The Independent the US sanctions on the country are illegal and could amount to “crimes against humanity” under international law.

    Former special rapporteur Alfred de Zayas, who finished his term at the UN in March, has criticized the US for engaging in “economic warfare” against Venezuela which he said is hurting the economy and killing Venezuelans. . .

    In the report, Mr de Zayas recommended, among other actions, that the International Criminal Court investigate economic sanctions against Venezuela as possible crimes against humanity under Article 7 of the Rome Statute.

    The US sanctions are illegal under international law because they were not endorsed by the UN Security Council, Mr de Zayas, an expert on international law and a former senior lawyer with the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, said.

    “Modern-day economic sanctions and blockades are comparable with medieval sieges of towns.

    “Twenty-first century sanctions attempt to bring not just a town, but sovereign countries to their knees,” Mr de Zayas said in his report. . .

    The US imposed new sanctions against Venezuela on 9 March 2015, when President Barack Obama issued executive order 13692, declaring the country a threat to national security.

    The sanctions have since intensified under Donald Trump, who has also threatened military invasion and discussed a coup,

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/venezuela-us-sanctions-united-nations-oil-pdvsa-a8748201.html

    • Agree: renfro
  27. First, there is the irony of Trump, whom many consider to be an illegitimate occupier of the White House, throwing a brick at another country’s elected leader.

    But if American troops are deployed to Venezuela, how long will it take to ‘discover’ that the IEDs being used against them are of Iranian provenance, thereby justifying Bolton’s scheming under the guise of “Afghanistan Welcome,” no doubt the code-word for the next operation, to liberate Tehran?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  28. @republic

    Venezuela’s young men have been landing in Australia since 2015, as international Students, and they’re not going home.
    The same is likely happening in America.

  29. Deschutes says:

    Another stupid article by another stupid American, imagine my shock. Buchanan says-

    Where hundreds of thousands fled Castro’s revolution in the 1960s, three million Venezuelans have fled to Ecuador, Brazil, Colombia and other South American countries and the USA. The economy is in a shambles. Though Venezuela has the largest oil reserves on earth, production is a fraction of what it once was. Cronyism and corruption are endemic. Inflation has destroyed the currency. There is poverty, malnutrition and shortages of every necessity of modern life.

    Oh yes, hundreds of thousands fled Cuba in the 1960s, presumably Buchanan implies because evil socialism made life unbearable–just like is happening now in Venezuela, right? No. Quite wrong in fact: conveniently left out of this sack of shit American capitalist propaganda narrative of the evils of communism is the fact that the USA in both Cuba and Venezuela has done everything it can possibly do to embargo, sanction, and strangle both countries economies. In Cuba, the American economic blockade has been going on since 1961, a blockade so extreme that absolutely NO trade is allowed between USA and Cuba. Americans, in their alleged “land of the free” are not allowed to travel to Cuba for a holiday: if you do, you risk 10 years in jail and a $10,000 fine, courtesy Uncle Sam. Venezuela cannot even use the SWIFT banking system with other countries besides the USA, as America has gone to extreme measures to completely, totally shut down any international banking between Venezuela and the rest of the world, let alone USA. But these financial economic war attacks done by USA to Cuba and Venezuela are never ever mentioned when Americans like Buchanan criticise Venezuela and Cuba for being mired in poverty, malnutrition and shortages of basic necessities.

    It’s just so fucking stupid and dishonest for Americans to put down the socialist economies of Cuba and Venezuela, when they have been doing everything they can to economically sabotage and destroy them.

    Typical stupid American bullshit.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Svigor
  30. KenH says:

    I say lay off Venezuela even though I’m no admirer of Maduro or of the Venezuelan system. If we want to get involved anywhere it should be S. Africa to assist the white population who are facing dispossession and genocide at the hands of the savage blacks.

    Trump’s really blowing it and I wonder if this is a “wag the dog” type intervention to distract from his failures to get a wall built. If so, then he’s just become knighted as a swamp creature himself.

    Contrary to what some might claim or think, Venezuela would not be a socialist paradise if not for U.S. dirty tricks and Maduro’s not the Thomas Jefferson of that nation. So this is what we have to look forward to in America as the Latin American population surges and we get more people like Ocasio-Cortez in state and federal office.

    But it’s clear that our efforts are just more (((regime change))) against leaders who will not kowtow to Israel and/or who are forging bonds with nations Israel doesn’t like although it’s cloaked in the usual human rights and freedom garb.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  31. Realist says:

    The US wants Venezuela’s oil and gold….period.

  32. Realist says:
    @anonymous

    Pat’s pronoun propaganda keeps people in Nebraska rooting for Uncle Sam, sending their money to Washington so the names of their sons can go up on green signs next to potholed roads.

    Excatly correct.

    Sadly too many Americans are willing to die for nothing.

  33. AliBaba says:

    The article did not mention that years of financial and economic sanctions by the US and the low oil prices have contributed to the downward spiral of the economy and deprived the people of access to necessities like medicines and food.

    • Replies: @RVBlake
    , @Deschutes
  34. RVBlake says:

    Perhaps Plan B should be a bold, un-American move like – minding our own business for once.

    • Agree: Hail
  35. Miro23 says:

    Friday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told the U.N. Security Council: “Now it is time for every other nation to pick a side. … Either you stand with the forces of freedom, or you’re in league with Maduro and his mayhem.”

    Yet more provocative idiocy from America’s pathetic PINO (President In Name Only) and his Zio-Glob handlers.

    • Replies: @anon1
  36. bob sykes says:

    Fox is once again whipping up war hysteria, as if Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Serbia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Ukraine and Yemen were such great successes. After Venezuela there will be Iran, already scheduled. Maybe we should have another go at North Korea or Vietnam.

    Truly, Americans have a death wish.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @The Scalpel
  37. @KenH

    Several months ago, after hearing a report from Tucker Carlson’s show about the dire plight of South African whites, Trump ordered Pompeo to look into it. I haven’t heard anything since. But I did hear that Russia has taken in thousands of them. However, you’ll never hear that from our corrupt, lyin’ MSM, who seem to think the story is all a hoax.

    It’s way too politically incorrect to try to save the lives of whites anyway.

    • Agree: RVBlake
    • Replies: @RVBlake
  38. @Deschutes

    Look at all that Washington has done to overthrow Cuba’s socialist government, starting with the failed Bay of Pigs fiasco. Well, Cuba is still standing, and Fidel Castro governed for 50 years before his death. The Cuban people may not have all the material goods that Americans do, thanks to the relentless blockade. But there is more to life than mindless consumption and dog-eat-dog economic competition. It would not surprise me if the Cuban people are happier than spiritually destitute Americans, victims of Madison Avenue propaganda.

    BTW, towards the end of Obama’s term, he wanted to open up tourism and have better relations with Cuba. I remember Trump saying he was in favor of that too. Perhaps he had his eyes on more Trump casinos/hotels. In any case he hasn’t done so. Just another in a string of failed campaign promises, I suppose.

    • Replies: @Deschutes
    , @renfro
    , @Svigor
  39. republic says:

    No need for a plan B, The Venezuelan armed forces will not fight against foreign forces. They are only good at shooting civilians.

    Last foreign war of Venezuela was the Dutch–Venezuelan crisis of 1908. US Navy occupied Caracas and the President took sick leave to Berlin!

    I know the Latins, all talk and no action.

    The only Latin American nation to put up a good fight against European armed forces was Argentina during the Falkland war.Argentina is a country made up of people of European descent unlike the largely mestizo armed forces of Venezuela.

    Maduro is no Simon Bolivar.

    Communists like Maduro need to be taken out like the Marxist scum Salvador Allende of Chile was.

    Pinochet killed maybe 2-3ooo people and did the world a great favor.

    Now Chile is the richest nation in Latin America and has a higher GDP per capita higher than 10 countries of the European Union.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @NoseytheDuke
    , @renfro
  40. Stick says:

    Pat, very much like our own Crazies, the best thing to do is wait for them to eat one another. Putting poker chips on the table is not the same as injecting oneself into the fight. It merely clarifies the two sides of the future for the Venezuelans to ponder. It also lights a fire under Maduro to do something. Something can be good and thoughtful or stupid and self defeating. Trump’s bet is with the later. Unlike Cuba, Venezuela has the means to a better future. Let democracy function and see what happens.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  41. Rurik says:

    an embattled defender of Venezuela being attacked by Yankee imperialists and their domestic lackeys, that could resonate among the masses in Latin America.

    Well, it resonates very strongly with this particular ‘Yankee’ American, tired of all the zio-wars, and assorted horrors these zio-fiends are perpetrating in my nation’s (now blackened) name.

    The “Yankee” imperialists just appointed neocon- super asshole Eliot Abrams to further menace the people of Venezuela.

    Abrams has never in his feculent life thought or done anything that wasn’t Israel-first.

    A Jewish supremacist most foul, being part of the neocon cabal responsible for 9/11, and all the subsequent wars and horrors.

    I guess David Frum or Max Boot were otherwise occupied telling lies.

    God speed to Maduro and the good people of Venezuela!

    Trump is a neocon stooge.

    May we all somehow survive the murderous, megalomaniacal insanity of these neocon, Jewish supremacist psychopaths.

    • Replies: @tac
  42. Rurik says:
    @Stick

    Let democracy function and see what happens.

    you use the word ‘democracy’ as an in-your-face mockery

    I bet you approved of John McCain’s efforts to impose ‘democracy’ in Ukraine, huh?

    what an odious little troll you are.

    stick – it where the sun don’t shine

    • Replies: @Stick
  43. Rurik says:
    @republic

    …Maduro need to be taken out

    spoken like a true neocon!

    Saddam need to be taken out

    Gadhafi need to be taken out

    Assad need to be taken out

    All who refuse to bow down to the Fiend..

    need to be taken out.

    I’m no fan of socialism, but compared to neocon-ism, ((of the John Bolton / Eliot Abram’s)) brand, Maduro looks like a saint.

    If you can be judged by your enemies, then Maduro is akin to Jesus Christ, because He too was fighting the power-crazed Satanic Pharisees of His day, just as Maduro (and Putin and Assad and so many others) are doing today.

  44. Wally says:
    @A123

    Agreed.

    A tempest in a teapot from a US perspective.

    US troops are not going into Venezuela.

    I do not doubt however that western neo-Marxists & Zionists want an increased flow of dumb Venezuelan ‘refugees’ flooding into the US.

    Jews & their leftists support Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while they demand massive 3rd world, low IQ immigration into the US & Europe.

  45. Wally says:
    @follyofwar

    said: ” Now they’re trotting out the old, discredited Monroe Doctrine, which has been used as a sledgehammer for two hundred years to lord over any countries south of Texas that get a little too uppity.”

    Vile Zionist Bill Maher Cheers US-Led Coup in Venezuela, asserts Monroe Doctrine
    :
    https://youtu.be/vzzfcDx_TQc …: https://grayzoneproject.com/2019/01/26/bill-maher-us-coup-venezuela-neocolonial-backyard/

    • Replies: @Svigor
  46. Rurik says:
    @bob sykes

    Fox is once again whipping up war hysteria, as if Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Serbia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Ukraine and Yemen were such great successes. After Venezuela there will be Iran, already scheduled. …

    Truly, Americans have a death wish.

    No, they’re just lied to, 24/7, 365 by the Zionist, Jewish supremacist media

    If all you’ve ever heard your entire life, was lies – would you be at fault for believing them?

    Do you blame American school students for believing that the world’s most evil people; Germans – made soap and lampshades out of innocent Jews, because they didn’t have blond hair and blue eyes?

    Do you blame Pat Tillman for believing the lies about 9/11?

    There isn’t one in a thousand Americans who understand just how thoroughly we are lied to, from day one. How deviously, and maliciously and malevolently we are all lied to.

    And I suppose Americans are just like the Russians under the Soviet boot, and become benumbed to the avalanche of lies coming at them from every Jewish supremacist orifice (Fox “news”) of rot and hatred and death.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  47. Stick says:
    @Rurik

    you use the word ‘democracy’ as an in-your-face mockery

    No, I recognize that full democracy will lead to combat. I prefer the Venezuelans do the shooting. Its the only way a people can achieve self-determination. This country has been chasing Euros out for the past sixty years. This is about Indios and Cholos coming of age. There are very few Euros left. Chavez and Maduro are typical Cholos. Lets see if they have the stuff to build a modern society. If they don’t, then the Americans, Brazilians, Columbians, Chinese and Russians will move in.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  48. Wally says:
    @Biff

    said:
    “The ONLY reason Venezuela is in the news is because of OIL!

    If Ecuador had that much oil they would be electing the wrong people too”

    Yawn.

    You mean the oil that the world is awash in?

    You’re still back in the old canard of ‘No Blood for Oil’ days’.

    • Replies: @Biff
  49. @Rurik

    Do you think that the real proportion of Americans who know the score is just one in a thousand?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  50. densa says:
    @PavewayIV

    Good to see you here. Your comments are always educational.

  51. Rags says:

    If there weren’t oil there – and lots of it – no one in Washington would give a rat’s rosy ass about Venezuela. And Maduro is only third on the list behind Assad Must Go and Lil Kim. Or has Maduro skipped to the front of the list? I anxiously await Pompeo’s reply before he too exits Trump’s merry go round cabinet. The BOE – ever a moral bulwark for humanity – won’t even give Venezuela’s gold back. The sickening (a)moral harrumphing over Maduro is reaching a crescendo that’s worthy of a monument. I recommend a huge steaming pile of bull–it in front of Lincoln’s monument so the venerable sage will have an eternity to contemplate his most significant legacy – the federal government of ‘Murica. Shelby Foote certainly thought so.

  52. Deschutes says:
    @follyofwar

    Great post Folly, totally agree with your points. As you point out, there is more to quality of life than the corporate rat race, crass materialism, mass capitalist consumerism (which is destroying the planet) which is USA in a nutshell. It’s a sick and fucked up society. Bad for the planet, bad for human beings who are basically wage slaves for the owners of capital.

    Another point deliberately left out of the American ‘Cuba is evil’ narrative: nobody dares to mention life in Cuba before the Revolution. In short, pre-Revolution 1959 Cuba was a dictatorship banana republic run by Batista and his death squads. 95% of Cubans lived in favelas: dilapidated corrugated tin shit shacks covering the hillsides. Horrific poverty. A handful of wealthy families like the Bacardis (of rum making fame) ran massive plantations, not unlike those in the slave days of the Old South. Anybody who dared to complain publicly about the horrible living and work conditions was shot by Batista’s death squads. American corporations (such as the infamous and brutal United Fruit Company) owned and ran massive sugar cane, banana plantations on the island: all the money went back to USA corporations. Nothing went to the Cubans who were basically treated like shit. It was this horrible, shitty quality of life in Cuba before the the 1959 Revolution that in fact fomented the Revolution. This is never mentioned in the stupid American dumbshit media.

    Castro reflected the will of 95% of Cubans when he overthrew the terrible, blood-soaked Batista regime (which was of course backed and loved by Washington–Washington loves dictators anywhere in the world as you know). Ecstatic happiness came with the overthrow of Batista! Everybody was very happy! All of the greedy asshole “plantation” families, the 5% of Cubans who owned everything and treated everybody else like shit wage slaves escaped to Miami….where they live to this day….with little Marcy Rubio burying his nose up their collective ass crack for bribes and doing their bidding in congress.

    Castro was a brilliant man. He did Cuba proud. He gave the USA the smackdown it so thoroughly deserves :-))))

  53. @anonymous

    But if Plan A does not succeed, and Maduro, with America’s prestige on the line, defies our demand that he yield, what do we do then? What is Plan B?

    “Pat’s pronoun propaganda keeps people in Nebraska rooting for Uncle Sam, sending their money to Washington so the names of their sons can go up on green signs next to potholed roads.”

    Great comment. Buchanan’s “pronoun propaganda” is the equivalent of someone scratching the blackboard with their fingernails, IMO. I would also question his use of the word “prestige” in this context; since when do shameless, lawless, treacherous, murderous bullies have “prestige”?

  54. Paul says:

    The notion that Venezuela is socialist and not capitalist is absurd. Its economy is overwhelmingly, like that of failed Colombia, in private hands.

  55. is Maduro “an incompetent brutal dictator whose ideology has helped to destroy a nation?”

    come on Buchanan. this attitude/comment is old..unbecoming even of you who should have at least learned something from your long silly conservative life.

    an invasion of Venezuela should cost america dearly this time around..too costly. it already is. Trump represents tired america that has lost all its evil sophistication. an old america would do its stuff quietly effectively and cost effectively.

    they have stolen Venezuela’s money to pay for Venezuela’s destruction. will that be enough?
    I don’t think so.

    what can Trump do militarily in the situation..bomb Venezuela into the dirt. that’s all. a long blockade would be too expensive and risk confrontation with other nations.

    I do think Trump is capable of blasting Venezuela out of the water..easily so. man has no heart.

    literally killing Venezuela is nothing for this late stage american devil. that is his only option really..bombs, blitz, shock and awe. out in the open, face needing to be saved with no clandestine options, he might just do it.

    look out

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  56. @Endgame Napoleon

    “Apparently, the easy-access oil from the best fracking sites has already been exhausted.”

    Wyoming hasn’t even hit peak pipeline construction yet. Your info is way off.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  57. Anon[248] • Disclaimer says:

    I suspect one major reason Venezuela is in such economic dire straits is because of the Zionist cabal in Deep State. No doubt the ridiculous Guaido declaring himself interim president is the work of the Pence-Bolton-Pompeo Triumvirate. These meddlesome treasonous rats just can’t help themselves. They need to intervene in every fucking country’s business, carrying out the Jews’ vision of the Jew World Order.

    Pence himself phoned Guaido to offer support the night before he declared himself interim president, not doubt urging him to do so. When was the last time we had a VP who calls his own shot on foreign policy? I don’t remember!

    Trump is showing himself completely feckless on foreign policy. Once again being upstaged by Pence. I’m really beginning to wonder who is the real POTUS.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  58. Hillbob says:

    More blood sacrifice to the god of imperialism and christian morality . These people are incorrigible.

  59. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike

    I hope not Mike, but how many of your friends and family and associates would you say are ‘woke’ to the Jewish supremacist problem?

    How many know it was Jewish supremacist Zionists who conceived, and perpetrated 9/11?

    How many know the iron lock on the media held by Jewish supremacists?

    Or how our government slavishly abases itself to all things Zion?

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  60. Rurik says:
    @Stick

    No, I recognize that full democracy will lead to combat. I prefer the Venezuelans do the shooting. …

    …. If they don’t, then the Americans, … …. and Russians will move in.

    And then there will be peace, eh?

    • Replies: @Stick
  61. tac says:
    @Rurik

    Here is what the despicable psychopath Elliot Abrams said himself:

    “I think we can acquire Venezuela’s oil without much fuss. Advisor asked what would happen to citizens who depend upon that wealth to survive. Not my job to care! Their impoverishment is inversely related to our success.”

    BTW, Bibi announced Israel’s support for Guaido:

    86% of Venezuelans Oppose Military Intervention, 81% Against US Sanctions, Local Polling Shows

    The vast majority of Venezuelans oppose military intervention and US sanctions to try to remove President Nicolás Maduro from power, according to polling by the local firm Hinterlaces.

    https://grayzoneproject.com/2019/01/29/venezuelans-oppose-intervention-us-sanctions-poll/

    background on political neophyte Guaido:

    Juan Guaidó is the product of a decade-long project overseen by Washington’s elite regime change trainers. While posing as a champion of democracy, he has spent years at the forefront of a violent campaign of destabilization.

    https://grayzoneproject.com/2019/01/29/the-making-of-juan-guaido-how-the-us-regime-change-laboratory-created-venezuelas-coup-leader/

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @RVBlake
  62. anon1 says:

    What should we do?

    How about we just mind our own business and do nothing.

  63. anon1 says:
    @Miro23

    Reminds me of Bush’s “Your either with us or the terrorists” bullshit after 9/11.

  64. Anon[248] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump appointed a never Trumper, Elliot Abrams, the ultimate Ziocon who wanted Trump impeached alongside Max Boot and Bill Kristol, to be special envoy to Venezuela:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-29/wtf-trump-thinking-plum-post-prominent-opponent

    Abrams is the pre-eminent prophet and practitioner of hyper-interventionist approaches to destabilize or overthrow governments – of foes and friends alike – that do not pass his democracy-is-the-end-all-and-be-all litmus test. His closest friends and associates, from whom his political positions are indistinguishable, include some of President Trump’s most rabid enemies, false-flag “conservatives” Bill Kristol and Max Boot.

    Abrams, who had served in the Reagan State Department, faced multiple felony charges for lying to Congress and defying U.S. law in his role as a mastermind of the Iran-Contra debacle. Abrams’ dishonesty almost destroyed Ronald Reagan’s presidency and put Reagan in jeopardy of impeachment. Abrams was allowed to plead guilty to two reduced charges and later was pardoned by George H.W. Bush, who feared impeachment because of his own role in Iran-Contra.

    It’s time to impeach Trump, Mike Pence is already the real POTUS anyway.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  65. A123 says:
    @Ozymandias

    It is very easy to cross stories about Natural Gas Fracking and Oil Fracking.

    The best opportunities for gas are limited in the southern U.S. and there are questions about long term sustainability. Indeed, many of the best options for gas are fully engaged.

    There is still a huge amount of prime real estate available for oil fracking. The key difficulties being:
    — Constraints in infrastructure at the Cushing, OK oil trading hub.
    — Texas and Oklahoma government scrutiny of micro quakes due to waste water injection.

    Most of the oil players have a longer term view and don’t want to antagonize critical government players. They are looking for better options for the water that comes out of fracked wells. There are reasonable choices within current technology, but cost concerns must be addressed and regulatory approval is needed.

  66. @Anon

    “Trump is showing himself completely feckless on foreign policy.”

    Is that you folly? (So you’re switching to another inappropriate adjective?) What do you mean, “completely feckless on foreign policy”?

    He’s not “feckless” when it comes to following orders from his jewish-supremacist handlers. He seems absolutely determined to overthrow the government of Venezuela, right? He seems absolutely determined to pull out of the INF treaty and take us back to the most dangerous days of the cold war, consequences be damned, right? When it comes to doing wrong, he is resolute.

    “Once again being upstaged by Pence. I’m really beginning to wonder who is the real POTUS.”

    You’re implying that Trump is somehow not responsible for all the evil being done by way of the authority of the executive branch of the U.S. government?

    The issue of who exactly is giving the orders or who the public spokesperson is in any particular instance, e.g., Pence, is an almost irrelevant red herring. They’re all actors playing their carefully coordinated roles, but Trump is the one who made it all happen. Trump has a moral choice to do good or to do evil with his ill-gotten authority and he chooses evil.

    Trump’s the person who made promises and was was elected president, accordingly. Trump’s the person with authority vested by the constitution. Trump knowingly, willingly, calculatingly stole our votes, no differently than if he had tampered with voting machines. He knew what he and his handlers were doing. Therefore, Trump’s a treacherous, treasonous, murderous, anti-American con man who deceived us, with the intention to hand the office of president over to his jewish-supremacist handlers.

    • Replies: @Anon
  67. Rurik says:
    @tac

    Hey Tac,

    I think that’s a fake Twitter account, but you can be very much forgiven the mistake, because the actions of that psychopathic criminal are all too real.

    @Anon[248]

    time to impeach Trump, Mike Pence is already the real POTUS anyway.

    the problem with that is Pence is far worse. A true believer in ‘Christian’ Zionism, he wants his rapture! And by the devil – he’d murder millions to force the Christ to give it to him.

    • Replies: @tac
  68. The situation is impossible for all concerned. The US and their vassal states who are part of the Empire require regime change if they fail in this project what then? The US has already been dismissed from Syria so they cannot afford to leave Venezuela as an independent state. In addition, there is the oil. My guess is that they will attempt massive bribery, threats to military officers and their families and everything short of direct invasion including hiring thugs within Venezuela to start a civil war. I don’t relish the result of this imperial venture no matter the result.

    It seems that this assault on the country of Venezuela to return the corrupt old racist ruling elites has the unified support of all political factions in the West so not succeeding would be a disaster. As for international law–well, there is no such thing.

  69. @republic

    Argentina hardly put up a good fight in the Falkland Islands against British forces. They invaded the Falklands with vastly superior numbers while it was defended by a very small token force but then had very little success when faced with properly trained troops.

    The British soldiers had actually walked overland in very trying conditions before engaging the Argentines who were in entrenched defensive positions. I suppose you could say that the Argentine forces were able to impose their will over the civilian population but they completely folded afterwards.

    Argentine pilots had the Exocet missile which was fired from a safe distance from the targets. Their losses were because they had severely underestimated the capabilities of the Harriers. British naval losses were largely due to the poor design of the ships.

    The war was both a political and a military failure for Argentina.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
  70. peterAUS says:
    @Anon

    Trump appointed a never Trumper, Elliot Abrams, the ultimate Ziocon who wanted Trump impeached alongside Max Boot and Bill Kristol, to be special envoy to Venezuela:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-29/wtf-trump-thinking-plum-post-prominent-opponent

    “Drain the swamp”………..

    They have him.

    Looking forward to that mental gymnastics of true believers. I suggest using Putin fanboy base approach: multidimensional chess play. Something like that. Should work.

    All in all……impressive.

    As for the article, I wonder, what’s the plane B for people who voted for Trump?
    Divine intervention, perhaps. Or something like that.

    Happy times ahead.

  71. Well, the Empire has sent no snipers to Caracas. It did not follow the scenario it used in Saraevo, Deraa, and Kiev. Does it think that Venezuelans are smarter than Ukrainians, so the same old tired scenario won’t work? But that would be plan B.
    Plan A was simple international banditry, unconcealed and not even masked by hypocrisy. I know, hypocrisy is the European shtick. While the yellow jackets protests continue in France, episodically being brutally suppressed by the police, Macron says that he supports protesters in Venezuela. I wonder what the yellow jackets think about that. Soon after brutal suppression of protests in Catalonia, Madrid government also supports the protesters, as long as they don’t protest against it. But the Empire does not stoop to hypocrisy. It uses standard highway robbery tactics: steal the money you can and command British vassals to steal what they could. A good lesson for everybody right there: don’t safe-keep your valuables with thieves. But that was part of plan A, I guess. So, what is plan B?

  72. tac says:
    @Rurik

    I can’t say for sure if it is real or not (it does not have the blue check verification), but it was setup in 2009 and has only 16 total tweets total. It seems to me that setting up a fake account in 2009 only to use it now would require some serious foresight. Moreover, if you read the few tweets from 2009 it certainly sounds like they would come from him. Nonetheless, I understand were you are coming from. It is certainly not my intention to mislead anyone here. Thanks for pointing out your skepticism, and feel free to do so again in the future if it does not meet you smell-test, sometimes having extra eyes helps.

    Now on a related note:

    Russia vows full support for Maduro amid U.S. sanctions
    […]
    Russia, together with other allies, will “do everything to support the legitimate government of President Maduro” and steps to resolve the deepening crisis in the Latin American nation “within the constitutional framework,” Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told a news conference in Moscow on Tuesday.

    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Russia-vows-full-support-for-Maduro-amid-U-S-13570101.php

    Venezuela’s top court bars self-declared president Guaido from leaving country & freezes assets

    https://www.rt.com/news/450098-guaido-assets-travel-ban/

    https://newsvire.com/venezuelan-court-slaps-travel-ban-on-opposition-leader-guaido-freezes-his-assets/

    #Israeli troops are arriving in #Brazil in an alleged attempt to strengthen #bilateralrelations.

    Max Blumenthal: How US trained Juan Guaido for Regime Change

  73. Anon[140] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harold Smith

    I don’t know, I suspect a small part of him tries to do right by his voters. We will see what happens with the wall. He hasn’t caved with amnesty…yet, though I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if he does. He’s already sold out his white collar voters by promising more H1b visas and easy path to citizenship for millions of Indian code coolies.

    I suspect his handlers, i.e. Pence and the Ziocons, have him by the balls. Pence has been engineering a soft coup against him since Day 1. He was in charge of putting together the transition team, and he brought in all the Trump haters incl. Ryan, Haley, Kelly, Bolton, Pompeo…all are loyal to him, not Trump.

    I used to think Trump’s just playing stupid. Now I think he’s actually stupid, for trusting Pence and Kushner.

  74. Anon[140] • Disclaimer says:

    Venezuela should be safe now. Trump sent a Jew to rescue them. Elliot Abrams will install a puppet regime, and bring home the oil for the neocons.

  75. Anon[256] • Disclaimer says:

    Plan B is as follows:

    – Using their criminal “medias” and SOA mercenaries, the US-NATO, Canada, France, Germany and Spain continue to PROVOKE and INTIMIDATE Venezuela and its military, to fuel CHAOS as much as they can.

    – The intention is to SPREAD CHAOS in Ecuador, Brazil and Colombia, i.e. throughout Latin America, in order to legitimize military inventions, privatization, and total control of the cheap labor and resources the corporations of the West want.

  76. The European Union acts like a giant dictator. That’s disgusting:

    Britain, France, Germany and Spain have sent Maduro a diplomatic ultimatum: Agree in eight days to new elections or we back the 35-year-old Guaido, who, until this year, was an unknown.

    12 reasons why we say NO to the Mercosur – European Union free trade agreement

    – Because the agreement has been negotiated in secret

    – Because the agreement seeks to benefit large corporations from the North and the agro-exporting elites of Mercosur

    – The model pushed by the agreement promotes corporate control over land, which will generate more of the violence, criminalisation and persecution

    – Because it will privatise our seeds, making their free exchange and flow illegal and a criminal offense

    – Could lead to restrictions on the production of generic medicines

    – .. will force States to commit that their companies operate under strict trade considerations, thus limiting their ability to promote specific production sectors, demeaning the general interest function of the public sector that the State must guarantee through its enterprises

    – freeze dominant position of large companies from the North and further their ability to concentrate wealth. Implementing these standards only deepens the transnational oligarchy in the digital economy

    https://www.bilaterals.org/?12-reasons-why-we-say-no-to-the&lang=en

  77. Biff says:
    @Wally

    You mean the oil that the world is awash in?

    Your unwashed hair is not the world.

  78. tac says:

    In what appears a wild and bizarre attempt to kick start an “arm the moderate rebels” campaign or establish a “Free Venezuelan Army” of sorts, a rogue Venezuelan colonel who’d been living in exile was arrested after he slipped back into the country as part of a clandestine operation to organize and arm the opposition. The arrest and detention of 54-year old retired Colonel Oswaldo Garcia Palomo was confirmed by his associates on Tuesday, and came after the former National Guard officer tipped off Bloomberg that some kind of secret mission was in the works last week with the cryptic words, “Pay attention to me in the coming days.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-29/rebel-venezuelan-colonel-caught-daring-cross-border-mission-foment-revolution

    A fugitive Venezuelan colonel who has been actively and publicly seeking the ouster of President Nicolas Maduro has been detained by the government, two people close to him said on Tuesday.

    Colonel Oswaldo Garcia Palomo, 54, who retired from the national guard and was living clandestinely abroad, had slipped back into the country where he was captured, they said. A Twitter feed associated with him and his group issued an alert with his picture saying he’s being held by the military police.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-29/rebel-venezuelan-colonel-calling-for-uprising-has-been-arrested

    • Replies: @republic
  79. Anon[256] • Disclaimer says:

    1 – 86% of Venezuelans Oppose Military Intervention, 81% Against US Sanctions, Local Polling 1- Shows

    2 – Canada Joins with Imperial ‘Mafia’ to Threaten Venezuela

    3 – Bank of England Urged to Hand Over Venezuela’s Gold to Guaidó

    4 – Video: Eva Golinger on Venezuela: ‘Regime Change & Domination Are Bipartisan US Policies!”

    5 – The History – and Hypocrisy – of US Meddling in Venezuela

    See: http://www.globalresearch.ca/

  80. RobRich says: • Website
    @llloyd

    ‘Socialist tradition once familiar to Americans in such folk heroes as Upton Sinclair.’

    Sinclair was a filthy little fascist.

    ‘ Generations of cold war history and ideology have made Americans forget it and fall for the demonisation of democratic socialism by Wall Street’

    Democratic socialism is literally fascism or demagogy. It is the perversion of democracy into mere majority dictatorship in all areas of life. A lot of people on Wall Street subsidize the far-left and its preferential treatment. That’s what the current generation is NOT being taught by their ‘socialist’ teachers.

  81. RobRich says: • Website
    @Talha

    These two guys are both fascistic ‘democratic’ socialists. One says nice things to DC, the other doesn’t.

    Venezuela went from 4th best economy in the world to looking worse than N. Korea after decades of rule by these extremists of the right and especially far-left.

    The US has no heroes to support here, just evil vs. crazy.

    Fair enough. Deport any US far-leftists/socialists as the traitors they are to Venezuela and seal its borders except non-left children may flee at 18.

  82. renfro says:
    @follyofwar

    I remember Trump saying he was in favor of that too. Perhaps he had his eyes on more Trump casinos/hotels. In any case he hasn’t done so

    Trump not only didn’t do so, he slapped sanctions back on Cuba.

    Cuba lashes out at Trump administration over new sanctions | Reuters
    https://www.reuters.com/…cuba…/cuba-lashes-out-at-trump-administration-over-new-s…
    Nov 2, 2018 – HAVANA (Reuters) – Cuba on Friday said new sanctions planned by the United States were a futile attempt to change its policies and would …

  83. renfro says:
    @republic

    Its none of your or the US’s fucking business what kind of economic system another country uses.

    • Agree: yurivku
    • Replies: @republic
  84. renfro says:

    Trump sold off half of US reserve oil last year to cover government spending.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-oil-reserve/u-s-sells-11-million-barrels-of-oil-from-reserve-to-exxon-five-other-firms-idUSKCN1LG2WT
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Six companies, including ExxonMobil Corp, bought a total of 11 million barrels of oil from the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve, a Department of Energy document showed on Friday, in a sale timed to take place ahead of U.S. sanctions on Iran that are expected to remove oil from the global market.
    Sale of the oil from the reserve was mandated by previous laws to fund the federal government and to fund a drug program, but the Trump administration took the earliest available time to sell the crude under the law.
    The sale’s timing “would appear to reflect President Donald Trump’s concern regarding oil market tightness associated with the reinstatement of Iran oil sanctions,” analysts at ClearView Energy Partners said after the sale was announced on August 20.”

    Follow the bouncing ball…..

    Sanctions on Iran, sanctions on Venezuela, sanctions on Syria , sanctions on Russia + rising US interest rates + a slowing economy + inflation.
    Despite Trump selling off our reserves the US doesn’t currently, at present anyway, need to control Venezuela’s oil . So what could happen that might make control of oil rich Venezuela necessary? Why has Venezuela become Bolton and Abrams pet project? Why is Netanyahu putting himself into the Venezuela crisis ?

    We otoh would need all the oil we could get if we blew up the ME, specifically Iran. The US signed a MOU with Israel in 1973 obligating us to supply them with oil if they couldnt secure any for themselves. So are they working for their US sugar daddy and oil shipments in Venezuela in advance of needing US oil when the US blows up Iran for them?

  85. RVBlake says:
    @AliBaba

    Perhaps some day we’ll see Pompeo or his acolyte Abrams on the tube telling some news presenter how the deaths of Venezuelans were, in the end, worth it. As with a former Secretary of State.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  86. RVBlake says:
    @follyofwar

    Yes, I recall the promise of a Pompeo look-see. Must’ve been a passing glance.

  87. RVBlake says:
    @tac

    The Master Strategist Abrams’ remark about “not much fuss” eerily resembles the methane cloud of another Military Genius, Rumsfeld, about our then impending “cake-walk” through Iraq in 2003.

  88. niceland says:
    @PavewayIV

    NATO stands for North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Not surprisingly, Colombia isn’t a member! Your post is worthless speculation.
    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm

  89. Renoman says:

    It’s easy, just do business with him, take away the sanctions hold your nose and shut up. Gradually invest in the country, feed people , build schools and Hospitals make him fat and happy and when the time is right poison him. What’s the big rush anyhow? Just watch China and do it their way.

  90. KenH says:

    “Pay the soldiers. The rest do not matter.”

    People shouldn’t delude themselves into thinking the U.S. ruling class/establishment is any different. Don’t ever think the dirty tricks and paramilitary force called the FBI exists to protect average Americans. Their new mission is to surveil, harass and when ordered, to quash political dissent and individuals who displease the establishment. This is also true to an equal or lesser extent with other federal law enforcement agencies.

    Top military and intelligence agency leaders are vetted for ideological conformity and loyalty to the establishment and (((deep state))) and not the Constitution or the American people. That’s why we’ll never see a military coup d’etat against elected representatives who often act capriciously and extra-constitutionally.

    Most rank and file military are brainwashed and pacified enough that mutiny never crosses their minds.

    Like it or not we are the new Soviet Union and like the Soviet Union only a complete economic collapse will slay this beast.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  91. Stick says:
    @Rurik

    Peace is earned. Let’s see what the Venezuelans want from life. Remember, 9 of the top 10 murder capitals exist in Central and nNorthern South America and the Caribbean. These are decidedly murderous people.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  92. @Rurik

    Short answer: not many.

    However, a couple of weeks ago, I encountered some computer issues at work which necessitated a call to my computer techie. An hour later, he arrives.

    While he was diagnosing and fixing the problem, he spent 2 and half hours chatting with me about everything from AIPAC to Zion. He informed me that he had voted for Trump, but had grown disillusioned with the hegemony of the Hebrews in his administration.

    I had not seen him in about three years. Previously, he was a non-descript normie conservative.

  93. Maduro is an incompetent brutal dictator whose ideology has helped to destroy a nation.

    I did not know that incompetent brutal dictators were the ones that were elected in a free, fair election demanded to be given early (7 months ago) by the opposition party.

    I did not know that a dictator would let the Venezeulan voting system–known by voting experts worldwise as the most advanced and fair elextion system in the entire Western Hemisphere [Pat: that includes the US]–be used in his “brutal” grasp on power.

    So the ideology of free, fair, safe elections is destroyng a nation? Pat, what he devil are you smoking over there?

  94. republic says:
    @tac

    That Colonel was picked up in a border city just across from Colombia. He was easy to spot, looked well fed, to escape any notice if one wishes to clandestinely enter Venezuela is first to go on a starvation diet for some months so the agent would look like a typical local.

    • LOL: tac
  95. republic says:
    @renfro

    so we disagree. Cuba was the richest country in Latin America in 1960. If the US had the balls to invade Cuba in 1961, Cuba today would have had a gdp/capita equal to most Western European countries.

    Sure some people would have died in the conflict, but would have avoided years of human misery.

    You sound like a leftist, cannot respond to an argument only with emotion.

    • Replies: @yurivku
    , @The Scalpel
  96. Hibernian says:
    @RVBlake

    Venezuelans have been dying for years at the hands of their “Bolivarian” government.

  97. gsjackson says:
    @follyofwar

    According to Q expositors this is more Trump 4D chess to disabuse the neocons once and for all about regime change in Venezuela. Military invasion is off the table, especially with Russia jumping ugly on the matter. If they are able to get a new election, Maduro will probably win again. The Venezuela elections are completely legit, employing a fingerprint ID system. I believe Jimmy Carter has been an election observer there. Once Maduro retains office — and I’d imagine he can expect lots of votes from Venezuelans who simply don’t want Uncle Bully telling them who their president is — the neocons and Deep State will have to shut up about regime change in Venezuela.

    It would be nice to think Trump is strategizing at this level to undermine the Deep State, though obviously it is hard to do the way he and his neocon nutjobs pop off in public. But I do think the eventual outcome will correspond to the Q narrative. Uncle Bully will huff and puff, but in the end the Deep State will be frustrated, just as they were in Syria.

    Call me Pollyanna.

  98. gsjackson says:
    @ben sampson

    Yes, Trump talks a big war-mongering game, but what has he actually done so far besides lob a few show missiles into Syria for domestic political consumption? Granted, that’s bad enough. But the Q narrative holds that he’s deceiving the Zio/Deep-State into thinking he’s with them, while surreptitiously undermining all their projects.

  99. @KenH

    “Like it or not we are the new Soviet Union and like the Soviet Union only a complete economic collapse will slay this beast.”

    In the realm of “foreign policy” I think “we” are actually much worse than the USSR.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  100. Hibernian says:
    @Harold Smith

    Neither Alger Hiss nor Julius Rosenberg could have said it any better.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  101. map says:
    @Biff

    So American oil companies spend billions building oil machinery and oil production in a foreign country with the expectation of making a profit, but a foreign government is simply allowed to seize these assets whenever they want?

    Of course, you need engineers and technicians to run this stuff, not to mention the possibility that oil companies can sabotage their own equipment remotely when something like this happens, which is why oil production collapsed in V.

    Hey…I know…maybe next time when some tin pot dictator nationalizes American wealth, he should also kidnap all the technicians and engineers and force them to work as slaves to keep the equipment going. Then we can here you guys talking about how everything is about oil.

    Maybe these third-world countries should learn how to drill their own oil.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @MEexpert
  102. @Hibernian

    Yep; 2 + 2 = 4 no matter who says it.

  103. @Stick

    Peace is earned. Let’s see what the Venezuelans want from life. Remember, 9 of the top 10 murder capitals exist in Central and nNorthern South America and the Caribbean. These are decidedly murderous people.

    Latin America has been subjected, in addition to sanctions, blockades, and armed interventions, death squads and all the rest, to 60 years of the “War on Drugs”.

  104. Biff says:
    @map

    So American oil companies spend billions building oil machinery and oil production in a foreign country with the expectation of making a profit,

    Wrong! American oil companies have their whores in congress grant said countries with a foreign aid package to include research and development to cover the costs of start-up and production. You!, the dumb-ass voting taxpayer foots the bill, and the foreign government has every right to nationalize someone else’s scam on their turf.

    Maybe these third-world countries should learn how to drill their own oil.

    Why go through the effort when they can get idiots with other people’s money to do it for them.

    • Replies: @map
  105. MEexpert says:
    @map

    Hey…I know…maybe next time when some tin pot dictator nationalizes American wealth,

    Since when did Venezuela’s Oil become American wealth? Typical Yankee mentality. The whole world belongs to America.

    • Replies: @map
  106. @NoseytheDuke

    Untrue. The Argentine airforce mauled the crap out of the Royal Navy, to the point where Thatcher went to France and threatened to use nukes unless the French deactivated the remaining exocets.

    More exocets and the UK would have lost the naval war. The UK army would win the ground war, but then they would be isolated and subject to bombing via aircraft.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  107. yurivku says:
    @republic

    So we disagree. Cuba was the richest country in Latin America in 1960.

    If you try to use your brain you’ll understand that rich countries do not commit revolutions. This as well is true for Venezuela. But probably it’s too difficult for you to understand.

    Sure some people would have died in the conflict, but would have avoided years of human misery.

    Recalling jewish bitch M. Allbright. You are the true follower.

    You sound like a leftist, cannot respond to an argument only with emotion.

    You sound like a *** neocon, so I can’t respond without emotions.
    Keep your dirty american hands in pockets, the world doesn’t need you.

  108. @jbwilson24

    Thatcher went to France and threatened to use nukes

    Do you have a citation for that? France had nukes too.

    I responded to the comment that the Argentines put up a good fight, they did not. They folded quickly with just a small fraction of them putting up any fight at all. The majority of Argentine troops rushed to surrender at the earliest opportunity.

    It’s true that the Exocets were a formidable weapon but shipping damage was exacerbated by the poor design and construction of the British ships. The Exocets are a stand off weapon fired from 5 miles away so it’s not like great bravery from the pilots was required.

    I repeat, the war was both a military and a political failure for Argentina.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  109. @NoseytheDuke

    “I responded to the comment that the Argentines put up a good fight, they did not.”

    They hammered the British fleet with exocet missiles. If they had a few more of those missiles they probably could’ve sunk the whole armada deployed against them. The problem they had was that they ran out of missiles, and the French refused to give them any more, IIRC.

    “It’s true that the Exocets were a formidable weapon but shipping damage was exacerbated by the poor design and construction of the British ships.”

    The design of the ships was irrelevant. The British had no effective defense against exocet missiles.

    “The Exocets are a stand off weapon fired from 5 miles away so it’s not like great bravery from the pilots was required.”

    The bravery of the pilots is irrelevant. Who doesn’t have and use standoff weapons?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  110. And more of the “We” nonsense from Paddy.

  111. @A123

    And here we have the simple-minded parroting the fake news

    “Ultimately, the Venezuelan people will have to make a choice.
    — Do they want the hell that Chavez and Maduro have created?
    — Or, do they want to throw off tyranny for the hope of a better future?”

    There is of course at least one more option:
    _ Or do they recognize that a US installed tyrant will be worse.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  112. They only had 4 Exocet missiles -maybe 6- and they were not ready because the French refused their help and the Argentinian had to manage to have them operational, if it had had more missiles there is no doubt that the entire English fleet would be today at the bottom of the sea

    The Argentinian Air Force behaved with enormous courage attacking with old bombs of free fall in front of frigates and destroyers with antiaircraft missiles in attacks that remembered the Japanese

    And on the ground, the 5th Battalion of the Marine Infantry (BIM-5) behaved very well

    The rest of the units were young recruits, and of course from lieutenant upwards a shame, and from general upwards to tie a stone around their neck and throw them into the sea

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  113. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @bob sykes

    “Truly, Americans have a death wish.”

    ….more like rich spoiled teenagers who think they can do anything and never have to pay a price for it. In a sense , it is true. The current generation of “leaders” and voters had a rich peaceful nation handed to them without having to work for it. They don’t appreciate what they have, they don’t see that they are pissing it away, and they don’t understand that it is possible that they will make mistakes that no one will save them from.

  114. peterAUS says:
    @Davidson20

    “Debating” Falklands war with an Argentine is definition of wasted time, so I’ll pass.

    For those who would wish to get a decent understanding of that conflict I recommend:
    Razor’s Edge: The Unofficial History of the Falklands War by Hugh Bicheno. For those wishing to dig deeper the author mentions several other books and/or resources.

    BTW, in the book the author also has a paragraph or two about Argentine culture and mindset, which we always see when they talk about Falklands.

    All in all, recommended reading for anyone interested in such events, from geopolitics to individual soldier/sailor/marine.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  115. The British infantry (paratroopers, royal marines …)
    magnificent, maybe it is or was the best infantry in the world

    On the other hand, the American-made sidewinder AIM-9 was important

    PeterAUS

    Of course I will not waste my time chatting with someone so short of sight,
    your attitude is just ridiculous, childish, and I was not talking to you

    It’s disconcerting, I come here to read texts written by adults, and I run into teenage messages: – you said something positive about Argentines, then you must be Argentine.

    We’re going to give you the Sherlock Holmes award, yes: kindergarten version

    (you do not have the faintest idea where I come from)

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  116. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @peterAUS

    Debating the Falklands war with a lackey blowhard from a British colony is worse than a waste of time, but one can get some pleasure from exposing them with personal counter-attacks in response to their comically pretentious personal attacks 🙂

  117. @A123

    the U.S. giving words of support to President Guaido

    I guess I missed the election results when Guaido won. When exactly was that?

    — Do they want the hell that Chavez and Maduro have created?

    Here is a different view
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/sanctions-mass-destruction-americas-war-venezuela/5666969

    Not mentioned directly in the article, is what the Bolivarian Revolution is, and why Argentina and Brazil were targeted for regime change as well. The Bolivarian Revolution eliminates the Bank of International Settlements, as well as stops propping up the artificially inflated US dollar. Brazil and Argentina were trading with Venezuela on commodity for commodity basis. Usually, oil for foodstuffs. That meant the BIS didn’t get a “cut” of the deal through currency exchange. In other words, he was doing the same thing that caused WWII.

    Germany’s most unforgivable crime before the Second World War was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world’s trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit.

    Churchill to Lord Robert Boothby.
    All wars are economic wars.

  118. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @republic

    “Cuba today would have had a gdp/capita equal to most Western European countries.

    Sure some people would have died in the conflict, but would have avoided years of human misery.”

    So basically, you are equating the wealth of a nation with the amount of “human misery” in that nation. If there is any correlation at all there, it is very loose. I’m not sure at all that the average US citizen is happier than the average Cuban – especially when it comes to purchasing medical care.

  119. @The Alarmist

    “whom many consider to be an illegitimate occupier”

    Who are these “many” of which you speak?

  120. Svigor says:

    Watch Venezuela sink further toward rock bottom.

    Not a difficult question to answer…

  121. Svigor says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Come now, the US is not responsible for Venezuela’s faceplant. Venezuelans are humans and have agency; they’re not subhuman beasts.

  122. Svigor says:
    @Bill Jones

    Colombia seems to be doing much better than Venezuela. By the anti-American logic on display here, they have a “US installed tyrant” and “fascism” to thank.

  123. Svigor says:
    @Deschutes

    Cuba needed sanctioning. Why make nice with an openly hostile communist regime that does things like support Soviet-sponsored war in Angola?

    In Cuba, the American economic blockade has been going on since 1961, a blockade so extreme that absolutely NO trade is allowed between USA and Cuba. Americans, in their alleged “land of the free” are not allowed to travel to Cuba for a holiday: if you do, you risk 10 years in jail and a $10,000 fine, courtesy Uncle Sam.

    Again, Cuba needed sanctioning. Why play nice with scum? As for the freedom to visit Cuba, hey, all the visitors had to do is not come back. Where’s the down side, amirite?

    • Replies: @Deschutes
  124. Svigor says:
    @follyofwar

    This reminds me of how Jews spin blacks’ low IQ, impulsiveness, inability to save or manage money, rampant violent criminality, etc., into “intangibles” like “blacks be all spiritual ‘n earthy n’ sheeeit.”

  125. Svigor says:
    @Wally

    Rather like a mirror of Soviet/Russian policy; they’re no more willing to let America run rampant in Syria than we are to let them run rampant in Cuba or Venezuela. Crazy talk, I know.

    Same goes for the Chinks and Southeast Asia.

    Fucking imperialist Russkies and Chinks, amirite?

  126. peterAUS says:
    @Davidson20

    Well…you know…perhaps there IS some useful info behind that fierce spirit of yours. Especially in the context of (possible) conflict in/around Venezuela.

    I guess you’ve read a little bit about Falklands war. So, I have a question. There is around 5 % chance you’ll be able to answer it (taking into account that “nukes” and “Exocets”), but, well, nothing to lose. Well, as long as you keep online abuse at moderate level, that is.

    Here it goes:
    Why didn’t the Seineldín’s 25th Infantry Regiment take any role in defending the hills around Stanley?
    I have a theory or two, of course, but, let’s hear what you have to say.
    BTW, more useful info you supply, more “internet pub” ahm…passionate… you can be.
    You know, mentioning my family etc.

    All yours..hehe…..

  127. @Harold Smith

    The conflict initiated by Argentina resulted in the fall of the Galtieri led government and the loss of Argentine lives at a ratio of around 3 to 1 or more.

    Meanwhile Thatcher, whom I loathed, gained much support from the war so it was a complete military and political failure for Argentina.

    Nations that choose to go to war often lose in one way or another in the long run. Had Argentina shown patience they probably would have control of those islands by now but that is less likely since the war than ever.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  128. Deschutes says:
    @Svigor

    Your reading comprehension is obviously sadly wanting. Given the knee-jerk stupidity of your reply, you are unworthy of anything more than these 2 contrite sentences.

    Viva La Revolucion!!!!

  129. Deschutes says:
    @AliBaba

    Buchanan is a right wing asshat. Always has been, always will be. For his bullshit narrative blaming socialism and Madoro for Venezuela’s problems to hold up, he MUST deliberately leave out American sanctions and financial sabotage of Venezuela.

    Same bullshit argument has been used against Cuba for decades. “Cuban sanctions? What sanctions?”

    Stupid fucking Americans 😀

  130. @NoseytheDuke

    As I said, the Argentinians hammered the english fleet, sinking six or seven english ships or something like that. This is true whether or not the war was “justified” in your opinion; this is true whether or not the Argentinian military fought “bravely” or not in your opinion; this is true whether or not Argentina ultimately lost the war and whether or not it “deserved” to lose; etc.

    “Had Argentina shown patience they probably would have control of those islands by now but that is less likely since the war than ever.”

    You would expect that the same criminal state that just brazenly stole Venezuela’s gold, for example, would’ve selflessly handed over the Falklands to Argentina? You must be thinking of a different england than the one I’m familiar with.

    But in a way I agree that it was apparently a lack of “patience” that cost Argentina the Falklands. After all, it was foreseeable that in any war with england, the english would have to rely on their navy, and attacking the inbound ships with anti-ship missiles would seem to be a no-brainer. The government of Argentina should’ve had the patience (and/or common sense) to beg, borrow, buy, steal or indigenously develop at least a handful of anti-ship missiles before initiating hostilities, IMO.

  131. map says:
    @Biff

    “Wrong! American oil companies have their whores in congress grant said countries with a foreign aid package to include research and development to cover the costs of start-up and production. “

    So the foreign nation is stealing directly from the American people, since the Congress whores are using our money?

    All the more reason to sanction them and replace their government. So the taxpayer can get their money back.

    “Why go through the effort when they can get idiots with other people’s money to do it for them.”

    Then don’t complain when those same idiots meddle in your affairs.

    • Replies: @Biff
  132. map says:
    @MEexpert

    Since when did Venezuela’s Oil become American wealth? Typical Yankee mentality. The whole world belongs to America.

    It’s the equipment and personnel that belongs to America? Or should Venezuela be allowed to take both, like some Barbary pirate?

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  133. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    already the shine of Guiado has vanished into the some blown by Bolton.

  134. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    President Maduro is repeatedly called a “dictator,” an epithet endless repeated across the corporate media. But when a portion of the opposition boycotts, can it be a surprise that the incumbent wins? The opposition actually asked the United Nations to not send observers, a sure sign that they expected to lose a fair election despite their claims that the election would be rigged. Nonetheless, a coalition of Canadian unions, church leaders and other officials declared the election to be “a transparent, secure, democratic and orderly electoral and voting process.” http://www.counterpunch.com

    that is the latest piece of information people shouldn’t forget about the “new democratic leader of Venezuela “

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  135. Hibernian says:
    @anon

    “Observers” like Jimmy Carter.

  136. Biff says:
    @map

    So the foreign nation is stealing directly from the American people, since the Congress whores are using our money?

    Man, you’re brain dead slow. Foreign aid often times never leaves the bank. It gets directly deposited into an energy/contractor companies account, after which they set up shop on distant lands.
    Foreign aid is the racket for sucker Americans thinking it helps foreigners.

  137. MEexpert says:
    @map

    It’s the equipment and personnel that belongs to America?

    Personnel can leave anytime they want. Furthermore, equipment and personnel do not constitute wealth, the oil does. Oil belongs to Venezuela.

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