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To those of us of who learned our U.S. history from texts in the 1940s and ’50s, President Donald Trump’s brainstorm of acquiring Greenland fits into a venerable tradition of American expansionism.

The story begins with colonial officer George Washington’s march out toward Fort Duquesne in 1754 and crushing defeat and near death at Fort Necessity, where, according to myth, he fired the first shot of what would become the French and Indian War.

With the British victory, Washington went home to Virginia, only to be called back in 1775 to lead the Continental Army in America’s War of Independence, which lasted six years, until the victory at Yorktown.

With the 1783 Treaty of Paris, the Americans won title to all the land between the Atlantic and Mississippi, from Canada to Florida.

Twenty years later, in 1803, President Thomas Jefferson and Secretary of State James Madison seized Napoleon’s offer and bought for $15 million the vast Louisiana Territory extending from New Orleans into Canada and so far west it virtually doubled the size of the United States.

In 1818, Andrew Jackson, hero of the Battle of New Orleans in the War of 1812, was ordered by President James Monroe to march south to repel the murderous forays by Seminole Indians from Florida into Georgia.

Exceeding his orders, Jackson stormed into Florida, crushed the Seminoles, hanged two British “spies” he found there, put the Spanish governor on a boat to Cuba and came home, a national hero again, after almost igniting another war with the British.

Secretary of State John Quincy Adams now coolly confronted the Spanish. If they could not control the Indians, Adams told the Spanish ambassador, we would. And to avoid more visits by General Jackson, the best solution for Madrid was to cede this derelict province to the United States.

Spain capitulated. Florida was ours.

In 1835, American settlers in the Mexican province of Texas, under the leadership of Jackson’s old lieutenant and fellow Indian fighter Sam Houston, seceded. At San Jacinto, they forced General Santa Anna to accept the independence of a new Lone Star Republic.

In his last days in office in 1845, President John Tyler brought Texas into the Union, and his successor, James Polk, sent an army to Texas to ensure that the U.S. border was now the Rio Grande, much farther south than the Mexicans claimed it to be.

In the subsequent 1846-48 war, the U.S. army invaded Mexico and marched to the capital, where Nicholas Trist of the State Department negotiated a peace whereby Mexico ceded half of its country — what became the American Southwest, plus California.

President Ulysses S. Grant, a veteran of that war, would call it the “most unjust war ever fought.” Yet, Mexico would, in the Gadsden Purchase of 1853, sell an area twice the size of Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island combined. It would become part of the states of New Mexico and Arizona.

The Mexicans even offered to sell Baja California for $10 million. Congress declined the offer, saying we now had quite enough land.

ORDER IT NOW

When the Civil War ended, Secretary of State William Seward — who narrowly survived an assassination attempt the night John Wilkes Booth murdered Lincoln — sought to buy the islands of Greenland, Iceland, St. Thomas and the Dominican Republic. He failed, but he bought Alaska from Russia for $7.2 million, putting himself in the history books.

Thus, from the day President John Adams left office, in just 67 years, America had grown to become the world’s second- or third-largest nation.

After the Spanish-American War of 1898, William McKinley would make us an imperial power by annexing Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Guam and the Philippines, the last in a brutal war that cost 200,000 Filipino lives.

McKinley’s successor, Theodore Roosevelt, would engineer the secession of Panama from Colombia and America’s acquisition of the Canal Zone.

“I took Panama!” boasted T.R.

Ronald Reagan’s opposition to Jimmy Carter’s transfer of the Canal Zone and the canal itself to Panama would prove crucial to Reagan’s 1980 nomination and rout of Carter in a 44-state landslide.

Harry Truman also wanted to acquire Greenland, and in 1946, he offered Denmark $100 million in gold. The Danes declined, though they had sold the Virgin Islands to Woodrow Wilson in 1917.

How, then, did America acquire her vast territory?

By revolution, purchase, invasions, annexations, war, theft and expulsions — of French, British, Mexicans, Spanish and Native Americans. Quite a record.

While Trump’s diplomacy in the Greenland matter was not as deft as Seward’s in acquiring Alaska, the attitude exhibited would not be unfamiliar to many of the great men in our history.

And the cancellation of Trump’s state visit to Copenhagen aside, this issue of Greenland’s future has been tabled. It is not going away.

After all, China, the aspiring superpower of the 21st century, has exhibited an interest in this largest island on Earth, strategically located between Europe and America, amid the Arctic and Atlantic oceans.

Methinks the Danes are headed for interesting times.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Rational says:

    JUDAISTS CAN BUY LAND IN SAUDI ARABIA INSTEAD OF KILLING PALI CHILDREN.

    Thanks, Sir. Please tell the Judaists to read this, that they can buy land.

    The Judaists are deranged, and they believe that “God” (if there is one) “promised” them some land, in the Middle East (ME).

    Now a real God, If There is One (lets call him GITO), would never PROMISE, because he made the world, and he would just give land to whosoever he wants to have land.

    So the Judaists are severely mentally ill to even imagine God would ever do such a thing, i.e. promise anything.

    And if God promised land, and broke his promise, like Yahweh the con man seems to have done, the Judaists are now killing Pali children because their Yahweh turned out to be a conman and would not kill the Pali children for them, and remove them from the land, that he promised, so the Judaists have to kill the Palis with their own hands, and use stupid American soldiers to die for them in ME wars.

    If Yahweh promised them land, and broke his promise, how are they going to sue him? In which court? Which court has long arm jurisdiction over the fraud Yahweh who buys foreskins, but does not deliver land? That means there is a bigger God than Yahweh, the con man. So Yahweh is NOT a real God.

    If Judaists had half the brains like some people do, they would just go buy land in Saudi Arabia or somewhere else and stop all these wars, the alien invasion of USA, the stealing of money to support Israel, the bribing of politicians to support Israel, etc.

    Problem solved.

    • Agree: ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
  2. Chinaman says:

    All that talk about democracy and freedom is at the expense of non-whites and used to mask plunder and theft.

    If America can defeat China militarily, they would have done so but because they can’t win and can’t compete, we have the trade war.

    Next we know, America will find a pretext to invade Greenland. Most likely by inciting color revolutions and separatist movement there and then sending in the troops to quell the protests.

  3. You left out the part where Lincoln invaded, conquered, occupied and annexed the Confederacy.

  4. King Midas is digging for gold
    When Greenland is no longer cold.
    Why Denmark should sell
    When they’re bound to do well
    Is something that we’re never told.

  5. Escher says:

    America doesn’t need to invade Greenland. Just open a few strip malls and get Mexican immigrants to flip burgers and keep the place clean.

  6. All these parties outside Denmark discussing something abot which they have no clue. Greenland was never conquered, annexed or bought by Denmark. It is an autonomous inhabited country which chose democratically to be part of the Kingdom of Denmark. It is also a significant part of the Danish self image and culture in a way that precludes this idea from ever gaining traction among them. They are also anything but stupid people. They know perfectly well that it has lots of valuable resources.

    • Replies: @alexander
    , @follyofwar
  7. @Rational

    That’s a pretty weird version of scripture and history there cowboy. For one thing Yahweh or God did not “promise land and then break his promise” he promised land on CONDITIONS which the Hebrews broke. Their title to the land ended according to the original promise. That makes quite a difference if you’re planning to lecture Jews about their beliefs. Jews cannot buy land in Saudi Arabia and why would they? They want the land of Palestinians. Good grief, it looks as if you think the Saudis have anything to do with Palestine. As for Mecca and Medina even the Saudis are only guardians of those cities, if they blocked Muslims from attending they’d be overthrown. Very confused post man.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  8. Well, Mexicans are getting back most of the land lost to the USA. California and Texas are already ours.

    I guess Mr Trump is looking for some room to accomodate all those gringos willing to leave the Southwest… And Florida… And Illinois… And New York…

    • Replies: @Mike Zwick
    , @ThreeCranes
  9. @WorkingClass

    “You left out the part where Lincoln invaded, conquered, occupied and annexed the Confederacy.”
    Those States hey? Imagining they had “rights”….

  10. Bliss says:

    What an informative article. I am sure we all learned something new.

    Greenland is 8 times the size of California with a population of less than 60,000. It must be a miserable place to live for it’s suicide rate is by far the highest in the world.

    With global warming Greenland could really become a green and desirable place, and the Arctic region of which it is a part could become the next frontier. Trump is looking ahead. He sees the great opportunity for profit in this piece of real estate.

    • Replies: @Sbaker
    , @anon
    , @Realist
  11. Given the escalating global situation, Trump’s attempted purchase is so pertinent it could only have been based on military advice.

    Most people don’t seem to be aware that the greatest threat to the US homeland is not ballistic missiles, but masses of cheaper, long-range cruise missiles. In the inevitable war with the Eurasian powers Russia is well place to bombard the continental US with missile from air and sea launch points in the arctic (the polar flight paths are the most direct).
    The US is much more vulnerable than Russia since most US airbases are further South than their Russian equivalents, and American cities and facilities completely lack any integrated air defence system. Imagine tens or hundreds of thousands of intercontinental cruise missile raining down in waves, making the Blitz seem like a light shower (and that’s the kind of scale the next war will have).

    Since Russia’s main arctic military infrastructure is in the North West of the country, the main flight paths should cross right over or near Greenland. If there’s to be successful detection and interception of such an assault that’s where the defence zone will have to be. Perhaps some officers are looking ahead and seeing the danger.

    Of course, when war comes, I expect that America will immediately ‘appropriate’ Greenland regardless of legalities.

  12. Ahem says:

    The USA is a collapsing empire.

    The people of no country, state, or region in their right mind would agree to willingly join a disintegrating polity (For the benefit of the US educated, that’s not a typo).

    Trump cannot see this. Maybe he is a stupid as most of the news media claims.

    • Replies: @Sbaker
    , @RadicalCenter
  13. alexander says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    It is one of the best idea’s of the Trump administration to want to buy Greenland.

    Trump wishes to buy it for the exact same reasons the Danes won’t sell it.

    It is a good strategic property to own.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    , @Rabbitnexus
    , @anon
  14. It is impossible to separate regional issues from their global context, as with Greenland. The US and China are vying for influence over the Earth’s largest island. Washington needs to maintain its global dominance, Beijing aspires to replace it. Greenland is mineral rich and of strategic importance. These are interesting times for the Danes; or rather dangerous times: and not just for the Danes – for us all.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  15. Sbaker says:
    @Bliss

    Yes, the temperate zone is moving north like it has 100s of times in the past. A changing climate requires adaptation, and, just as in the past, that too will occur.

    • Replies: @anon
  16. Sbaker says:
    @Ahem

    Your jihadi friends have repeated your screed too many times to remember.

    • Replies: @Ahem
  17. Paul says:
    @Chinaman

    China cannot defeat Hong Kong.

  18. Paul says:

    Why would the people of Greenland accept becoming part of the U.S., with all its problems? Absurd!

    Post-World War II history is decolonization and resistance to imperialism.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  19. @Chinaman

    We need to get Greenland before the Danes settle the refugees there.

    • LOL: Rurik
  20. Andrew says:

    There are only 30,000 adults in Greenland. Offer them each $50k cash and a referendum would soon vote in favour of joining the US (or China) – why wait?

  21. @The Nine Tailed Fox

    It’s all about the continental shelf and territory. For more than a decade, the Arctic countries have been scientifically mapping the sea floor to determine what is “rightfully” theirs. Canada and Russia have massive coastlines, the US only has Alaska. There have already been ships sailing west to east in “Russian” waters. The benefit of shipping from Asia to Western Europe or the Eastern seaboard via the Arctic is massive. The continental shelf will determine who has rights to the shipping lanes. That includes portions of Greenland.

  22. Methinks the Danes are headed for interesting times.

    Colour Revolution in Denmark in 5 … 4 … 3 ….

  23. @The Nine Tailed Fox

    Most people don’t seem to be aware that the greatest threat to the US homeland is not ballistic missiles, but masses of cheaper, long-range cruise missiles.

    No, the greatest threat to the US Homeland is mass immigration, both legal and illegal, from the Third World. Enemy missiles might be its only salvation.

    • Replies: @The Nine Tailed Fox
  24. Dumbo says:

    Why would it be good for Greenland to become “Murkan”?
    To have a Walmart and thousands of Mexicans and shootings every week?
    It is absurd that supposedly anti-interventionist Buchanan talks about “venerable expansion” of the U.S. There is nothing venerable about it. The U.S. is a decadent empire, and as such, it is bound to collapse sooner or later, as is the fate of all empires. They expand until they can no more.
    It will be a great day for independent countries all over the world when the American colossus, which had such a negative influence worldwide, especially during the last 100 years, collapses.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  25. @Rabbitnexus

    If Trump wins a second term I look for him to take Greenland by force.

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
  26. @Paul

    I’ve heard it said, though I don’t know how accurate this is, that the natives of Alaska and Hawaii would vote to leave the union if they could, and realize that joining this disreputable empire was a mistake in the first place.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  27. If we get Greenland, we will finally have Canada surrounded. We can go for the kill!

    • Replies: @Begemot
  28. Rurik says:
    @follyofwar

    the natives of Alaska and Hawaii would vote to leave the union if they could, and realize that joining this disreputable empire was a mistake in the first place.

    it all depends on shekels

    even now, Puerto Rico is considering statehood. They don’t mind the chains if they’re made of lucre.

    It’s a lot like Scotland, who for centuries, heroically fought the assorted tyrants of England to keep their sovereignty, only recently to grovel at England’s feet and doom the children of Scotland to subjugation, if it meant a few more shekels in their pensions every month.

  29. TGD says:

    Why is this tiny country called “Denmark” in the English speaking world? Just about everywhere else, it’s known as “Danmark,” or the “mark of Dan.” It’s people are called “Danes” everywhere not “Denes.”

    Danes: I’m rooting for you to keep Greenland as you have since the Vikings.

  30. JWO says:

    America already has enough trouble governing all the land we have with 330 million people, why do we need more land or more people to govern? How many parts of the world do we need to fuck up?

    Instead of getting bigger, we need to get smaller. It’s time to let go of all US territories like Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, Northern Mariana Islands, Micronesia. These are all net economic liabilities we can no longer afford.

    I’d even let Hawaii go. It’s turning into a third world country with all the heavy immigration from the Philippines. The islands are all so poorly developed thanks to being a one party state of Democrats. Crimes and poverty are on the rise. Another paradise lost thanks to the invasion of the non-white hordes. We don’t need more dumb liberal HI judges like Derrick Watson blocking every single one of Trump’s immigration initiatives.

    Pat is getting senile. He’s buying way too much into the neocon propaganda lately.

  31. Topkek says:

    The interesting times being laughing at America as it declines and be another spoke in the wheel of realignment of Europe from America to Russia and Asia. Lol

  32. Thomm says:

    The Mexicans even offered to sell Baja California for $10 million. Congress declined the offer, saying we now had quite enough land.

    Fuck. Can we buy it now for an appropriate inflation-adjusted price?

  33. Cortes says:
    @WorkingClass

    Hmmm.

    Oddly enough, also omitted from the overview is the ongoing stop-frame incorporation (softly, softly) of what used to be described in lowbrow crossword clue terms as

    “Our Northern neighbor (6)”.

    You recall, doncha?

    The huge empty space with prime frontage on the NW Passage… The space where SJW Justin is “in charge.”

    And just in time to disrupt the Russian Northern Polar Route cutting off marine transport choke points controlled by Uncle Sam.

  34. @Ahem

    For YOUR benefit, “US-educated” needs a hyphen. And tens of millions of white (and now Asian) Americans can spell and speak competently. You don’t overstatement when we really do have a large and growing mass of Ill-educated, ignorant, and often unintelligent “Americans” living here these days.

    You’re right, though, that this is an empire and that it is declining, quite possibly toward collapse.

  35. Anon[376] • Disclaimer says:

    I dunno about Greenland. Maybe Trump’s planning to exile everyone who wants to live on welfare there. Hey, it’s closer to the Europe that libtards all drools and sigh for, so maybe they’d like it.

  36. anon19 says:

    I would give back Puerto Rico in a second. A dead loss in every sense.

    • Agree: Realist
  37. anon19 says:
    @Chinaman

    Historically non-whites did plenty of plunder and theft, much of it against whites. Relax sport America is not going to invade China (you seem rather perturbed by this). Actually it was the American defeat of Japan in 1945 that got rid of a brutal invader for you. You Chinese certainly did not defeat Japan from 1931-45.

  38. Trump and the political class will kill the economy and militarize the country for the big war for Israel that’s just around the corner.
    Cap this.

    • Replies: @Realist
  39. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sbaker

    > it has 100s of times in the past.

    You’re parroting a climate myth. Here’s reality:

    “This ice loss appears to be unmatched over at least the last few thousand years and unexplainable by any of the known natural variabilities.”

    Arctic sea ice extent in the past
    https://skepticalscience.com/past-Arctic-sea-ice-extent.htm

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Sbaker
  40. Ahem says:
    @Sbaker

    I stopped believing in sky fairies, good or evil, well before I graduated from high school.

    The United States elective dictatorship is collapsing due to its over rapid demographic change and its increasing number of mutually hostile ethnic and religious groups.

    You can’t see the blindingly obvious. Neither can Trump.

    Setting that aside, the morally vacuous notion that any country is entitled to buy 56,000 people and their surrounding territory belongs to the 19th Century and should remain there.

  41. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    > With global warming Greenland…

    You nailed it.

    Pompeo: Melting sea ice presents ‘new opportunities for trade’
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/06/politics/pompeo-sea-ice-arctic-council/

    The Trump Administration knows well that Arctic Sea ice is in a rapid death spiral. Look at the steep dip making yet another record ice volume low for July 2019.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  42. Begemot says:
    @Mike Zwick

    Indeed! The Canadians have kick our butts too many times! Payback time!

  43. Bliss says:

    Maybe Xi should trump Trump and buy Greenland before he does? Imagine the bidding war. He could easily settle it with tens of millions of Han Chinese and before you know it Greenland would replace Germany as the manufacturing hub of Europe. The native Greenlanders, being originally from East Asia, would look like they belong. They sure don’t look like they belong with Scandinavians:

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @JWO
  44. EdwardM says:
    @alexander

    Agreed, but it’s much more strategically valuable to the U.S. than it is to Denmark, and the U.S. is in a better position — due to our ingenuity, capital, and industrial base — to create value in Greenland than is Denmark. Not to mention we have a far better ability to defend it. Would the mighty Danish military counter an invasion of Greenland by China or Russia? (Of course, it would be the U.S. that would come to their defense anyway.) So the purchase would make a lot of sense from an efficiency standpoint.

    I can accept the argument that, although Denmark has the sovereign right to sell Greenland, doing so would infringe upon the locals’ human rights. So we need a grass roots movement of Greenlanders, with the eventual goal of a vote to join the U.S. as a territory or even a state. Let’s get moving on that.
    Seems like it would only benefit them, and Uncle Sam could probably bribe them if it came to that.

    • LOL: bluedog
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Republic
  45. Realist says:
    @TimeTraveller

    Trump and the political class will kill the economy and militarize the country for the big war for Israel that’s just around the corner.

    Yes, Trump is a dumbass.

  46. Realist says:
    @anon

    You’re still full of shit…and it appears you are destined to always be.

    • Replies: @anon
  47. Realist says:
    @Bliss

    Trump is looking ahead.

    Trump is a belligerent, war mongering asshole.

    He sees the great opportunity for profit in this piece of real estate.

    He, or rather the Deep State, sees a strategic piece of land to further US hegemony.

  48. @alexander

    No Alexander you did not read what I wrote. It is obvious why Trump wants to buy Greenland, that is a no brainer. The thing is just because a country has something good, doesn’t mean it is fgor you to buy. The reason Denmark won’t sell it is far different. That is because it is not Denmark’s to sell in the first place. The whole discussion is devoid of any reason. The problem lies in the complete misunderstanding about how the Kingdom of Denmark is formed.

  49. @follyofwar

    He won’t win a second term at this rate. Daft as the Dems are being so far in fact they’re going to run the Hildebeast again anyway. She’ll beat him this time at the rate he’s going.

    • Agree: Herald
  50. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    Scientifically, you’re correct, for once in your life. This is good progress for a fellow who calls himself “Realist.” And to clarify, you remain full of shit too, as are all humans who keep stuffing the pie hole at the beginning of their long alimentary canal. Stay hungry, my friend.

    p.s. I’ve asked you several times what physical quantity melts ice on a global scale. The answer is nothing more complicated than you might have learned in a first grade science lesson. I’m hoping your scientific advancement noted above leads to you finally realizing the answer. Stay warm, my friend.

    • Replies: @Realist
  51. Sbaker says:

    Trump, having s degree from the Wharton school of business, Is well qualified to make decisions that have a positive impact on the economy. The Muslims and other antiamerican posters here, don’t.
    IMF (International Monetary Fund) and Trump

    The IMF is warning that “global economies” will contract by $455 billion next year due to the ongoing trade conflict between the U.S., China, the EU and to a lesser extent, Japan.

    President Trump will cost the “Global Economy” $455 billion…. because that money will be transferring back to the America First economy. That’s what happens as MAGAnomics reverses the IMF trade (wealth distribution) model.
    China and the EU have devalued their currency in an effort to block the impacts from President Trump and the ‘America First’ trade policy. Because those currencies are pegged against the dollar, the resulting effect is a rising dollar value. In essence, the globalist IMF is now blaming President Trump for having a strong economy that forces international competition to devalue their currency. In the bigger picture, this is why President Trump is the most transformative economic President in the last 75 years.
    The post-WWII Marshall Plan was set up to allow Europe and Asia to place tariffs on exported American industrial products. Those tariffs were used b Y the EU and Japan to rebuild their infrastructure after a devastating war. However, there was never a built in mechanism to end the tariffs…. until President Trump came along and said: “It’s over”!
    After about 20 years, say 1965, the EU and Japan had received enough money to rebuild their countries infrastructure, as well as their economies without all the money the Marshall Plan dumped into those economies by the United States. However, instead of ending the one-way payment system, with the help of anti-American insiders, Asia and the EU sought to keep going and build their economies larger than the U.S. economy. Additionally, the U.S. was carrying the cost of protecting the EU (via NATO) and Japan with our military. The EU and Japan didn’t need to spend a dime on defense because America essentially took over that role. But that military role, just like the tariffs, never ended. Again, until Trump.”

    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @Herald
  52. @Bliss

    I’m reading that 11-13% of Greenland residents are white Danes/Norwegians, while a decent number of the remaining tiny population is mixed Danish/Inuit (Asian). So it’s not a monolithically nonEuropean population.

    There may be 30,000-some non-mixed Inuits in the whole place, out of 56,000 people.

    It is such an insignificant number of people that it wouldn’t change the demographics and culture of the USA one whit. As if that matters to our scumbag rulers (“representatives”, LOL) any more.

    So, Greenlanders, do you want to be subsumed in a declining, Mexican-heavy, balkanizing “USA”, or in a declining, increasingly Muslim/Arab/African* “Denmark”? What a great choice.

    * I’m aware that Denmark isn’t as rapidly becoming nonEuropean and Muslim as, say, Sweden, England, France, Germany, and Austria. But the Danes don’t have children near replacement rate, either, while their small Muslim population continue to row and not assimilate well.

  53. @anon

    By all means, Trump should send in the Special Forces and plant the US flag in Greenland, making it Washington’s largest colony ever. What could tiny Denmark do about it, after all? Complain to the UN? Ask the defeated Germans to come to their defense? HA! No man or country can stop Israel’s all-time Greatest Friend.

    Then US oil companies can swoop in and plant their rigs everywhere. Why, the possibilites for developing that big glob of ice are endless. Then those of us living in flyover country can watch in delight as the Donald’s beloved NYC, and his Florida retreat, are engulfed by the rising waters, as Greenland’s once mighty glaciers melt into nothingness. But, if the Emperor is still around when it happens he can blame it all on China.

  54. Sbaker says:
    @anon

    I’m not parroting anything. The geological time scale is billions of years, not some 10 to the 3rd fraction. Like I said, the current chicken little doomsday idiots mostly put time on the same scale as their lifespan.

    • Replies: @anon
  55. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @EdwardM

    > So we need a grass roots movement of Greenlanders…

    Hehe! Not a whole lot of grass in Greenland. Yet. But just as soon as we get that ice melted…

    Greenland ice sheet loses 11 billion tons of water in one day amid historic heat
    Aug 2, 2019 | ABC News
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/amid-historic-heat-greenland-ice-sheet-loses-11/story?id=64737944

  56. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sbaker

    Do you really think humans lived in a hothouse Jurassic climate, moron? You are parroting the #1 dumbass climate denier myth, parroted the most frequently by all climate deniers–“Climate’s Changed Before!”–found right here: https://skepticalscience.com/

    • Replies: @Sbaker
  57. Realist says:
    @anon

    Scientifically, you’re correct, for once in your life.

    At least you admit you’re full of shit.

    • Replies: @anon
  58. JWO says:
    @Bliss

    Funny I never knew that until I saw your post. I alway thought Greenland was occupied by Vikings or Scandinavians, by the look of the architecture. It’s quite curious. These people look like Eskimos, even though they are way on the other side of the North American continent.

    Why on earth do we want another useless frozen tundra inhabited by a bunch of low IQ natives? At least Puerto Rico has some nice beaches!

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @nsa
  59. @The Nine Tailed Fox

    Greenland is under NATO because of Denmark but Chinese money (investment) could be the route to independence. This could impact negatively on basing rights and missile defense systems.

    A Cold Arena? Greenland as a Focus of Arctic Competition.

    “The Empire Strikes First” by the rock band Bad Religion (not an endorsement) is apt.

  60. The US likes to get up close to its enemies, but gets very upset when their enemies’ influence gets up close to it.

    However, in raw power terms Greenland is a long way from China and uncomfortably close to the US and its Canadian puppet – no amount of Chinese money is likely to change that calculation.

  61. @The Alarmist

    Well, rather conveniently the same people are ultimately responsible for the immigration crisis and the rising war danger.

    An epic military reversal may bring a greater reckoning to said cryptocracy than any conceivable number of elections. However, a broken people in broken cities may not be able to take advantage of such a political opening, so be careful what you wish for.

  62. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    As is anybody who keeps feeding their alimentary canal; kind of went over your simple-minded head, didn’t it? Just like it’s way over your head what melts ice. But I’m long-suffering, and will give you another chance to figure out what physical quantity melts ice, especially on a global scale that makes it a record-setting melt season in Greenland this summer. Got any ideas? Don’t be bashful; give it a try. Maybe ask an elementary student riding their bike on the sidewalk in your neighborhood, they’ll know, I’m sure.

    • Replies: @Sbaker
  63. bluedog says:
    @Sbaker

    Utter bullshit the only reason for China’s huge growth is the greedy U.S. corporations and off-shore accounts.As Joe Kennedy said after cleaning up wall street in 29 “all business men are sons-a-bitches” and they never changed.!!!

    • Replies: @Sbaker
  64. Sbaker says:
    @bluedog

    So, apparently you don’t work for anyone. Naturally, it follows you have no understanding of economics.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  65. Republic says:
    @EdwardM

    It would be child’s play to stage a color revolution in Greenland. In fact the US is probably planning such an action. It is going to establish a new US consulate in that place.

    Many people forget that the US occupied Greenland from 1941 to 1945. It also occupied Iceland.

    See the Wikipedia entry of Greenland in World War 11.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @The Alarmist
  66. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Republic

    You misrepresent the facts by construing the US occupation of Greenland to be as aggressive as the Germany occupation of Denmark. Here is the Wiki entry:

    On 9 April 1941, the Danish envoy to the United States, Henrik Kauffmann, signed a treaty with the U.S., authorising it to defend Greenland and construct military stations there. Kauffmann was supported in this decision by the Danish diplomats in the United States and the local authorities in Greenland.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark_in_World_War_II#Greenland

  67. @Rabbitnexus

    Yahweh or God

    As if they are one and the same. LOL! Very confused comment man.

  68. @Rurik

    “only recently to grovel at England’s feet and doom the children of Scotland to subjugation,”
    Given a no-deal Brexit, or even Brexit itself, I suspect Scotland will be doing the opposite to grovelling to England in the future.

  69. @Rurik

    “only recently to grovel at England’s feet and doom the children of Scotland to subjugation,”
    Given a no-deal Brexit, or even Brexit itself, I suspect Scotland will be doing the opposite to grovelling to England in the future.

  70. @Rurik

    “only recently to grovel at England’s feet and doom the children of Scotland to subjugation,”
    Given a no-deal Brexit, or even Brexit itself, I suspect Scotland will be doing the opposite to grovelling to England in the future.

  71. Eirik the Red found Greenland after having been sentenced to 3 years of ban from Iceland for killing out of order..He was originally from southwest Norway.He named it Greenland as a marketing ploy to interest settlers from Norway and Iceland,by this time (the late 900s) farmland in Iceland was already in short supply.It is said that 25 ships set out in the first wave of settlers -and of those 15 reached their destination.Climate was a lot warmer at that time so the ships were heavy laden with women ,slaves and stock for farming.Drawbacks there was no wood or iron,probably one of the reasons for Leiv Eirikson,Eirik’s son to venture west and find what he called Wineland-another marketing-ploy that did not work in this instance.The red-faces he encountered there could not be reasoned with and had no logic to them-they just attacked willy-nilly.Too much hassle.Time goes by ,but some things dont change much.

    • Replies: @anon
  72. Sbaker says:
    @anon

    Why are you pretending to be a scientist? Grow up.

  73. Sbaker says:
    @anon

    Here’s another tip for the simple-minded; why is a variable climate a bad thing? Do you understand that climate is not a constant? And don’t copy and paste some childish graph.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @The Alarmist
  74. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sbaker

    > why is a variable climate a bad thing?

    Ah, the “It’s not bad” myth; that’s the #3 most popular climate denialist myth, as noted in my comment #58 above. Anyway, to answer your question is this resource:

    Climate Myth — It’s not bad
    https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-positives-negatives.htm

    And consider this: humans die within 6 hours of being exposed to wet bulb temperatures above 35°C (95°F). Take a gander at this map that predicts the eastern US will be inhospitable to human life with sufficient global warming.

    Humidity May Prove Breaking Point for Some Areas as Temperatures Rise, Says Study: From U.S. South to China, Heat Stress Could Exceed Human Endurance
    https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2017/12/22/humidity-may-prove-breaking-point-for-some-areas-as-temperatures-rise-says-study/

    View post on imgur.com

    Graph Source: What is Wet Bulb temperature?
    http://web.science.unsw.edu.au/~stevensherwood/wetbulb.html

    Of course, Greenland looks pretty good on that map when Washington D.C. is too hot to survive more than 6 hours. Perhaps Trump’s onto something.

    • Replies: @SBaker
  75. @JWO

    You mis-spelled ‘bitches.’

  76. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Norwegiant

    > named it Greenland as a marketing ploy

    Correct, as noted here:
    Climate Myth — Greenland was green
    https://skepticalscience.com/greenland-used-to-be-green.htm

    > Climate was a lot warmer

    Wrong, as noted in the above reference. Greenland’s ice sheet has been intact for hundreds of thousands of years, as proven by ice coring samples. See:

    Core questions: An introduction to ice cores
    https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2616/core-questions-an-introduction-to-ice-cores/

    • Replies: @Norwegiant
  77. @Sbaker

    What I love is the irony of the “concerned” idiots who freely call AGW sceptics ‘science deniers.’ Their climate belief blithely assumes the temperature output of the Sun is constant.

    Not that WikiPedia is the last word on science, but they do have a good summary of change to the Sun’s energy output as it consumes its elemental constituents and changes its composition.

    The Sun is gradually becoming hotter during its time on the main sequence, because the helium atoms in the core occupy less volume than the hydrogen atoms that were fused. The core is therefore shrinking, allowing the outer layers of the Sun to move closer to the center and experience a stronger gravitational force, according to the inverse-square law. This stronger force increases the pressure on the core, which is resisted by a gradual increase in the rate at which fusion occurs. This process speeds up as the core gradually becomes denser. It is estimated that the Sun has become 30% brighter in the last 4.5 billion years.[120] At present, it is increasing in brightness by about 1% every 100 million years.

    Then there are slight perturbations as the Earth and Sun pull each other around through the cosmos … even though Keplerian dynamics at a cosmological scale seem to be fairly constant they are not, and both the Earth and Sun wobble in both their rotation, in the centre of gravity between them, and as well as the Earth’s orbit around the Sun, all of which vary the Solar radiation arriving at the Earth and resulting in a number of cyclical patterns … not to mention the impact of the sunspot cycle on earth climate.

    Riddle me this: Is Mars also getting warmer because we’ve littered it with non-carbon spewing rovers, or might it have something to do with the Sun?

    It sounds to me, The Alarmist, like your average climate scaremonger is a bigger science denier than you or I could hope to be.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @SBaker
  78. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @alexander

    > It is a good strategic property to own.

    Correct! With Arctic Sea ice in a death spiral (see comment #42), who controls the Arctic is becoming the new strategic conflict, as this map illustrates:


    China Launches the Polar Silk Road
    Center for Strategic & International Studies
    https://www.csis.org/analysis/china-launches-polar-silk-road

  79. nsa says:
    @JWO

    “Why on earth do “we” want another useless frozen tundra…….”
    Countries abutting the Arctic Ocean have 200 mile rights to the vast underwater mineral, gas, and oil resources based on the length off their coastline. So Russia has the greatest claims to this real wealth, Canada second, Denmark (Greenland) third, USA fourth (Alaska), then Iceland, Sweden, and Finland. This is a very big deal in a world of melting ice and depleting resources. The idea that the Danes would trade very valuable Greenland for useless jooie FRNs is absurd. In 50 year’s time Greenland will be a greening priceless asset, whereas the paper FRNs will be approaching their inherent value…..ass wipe. When resources get really tight in this overpopulated polluted world, “our” Canadian colony as a political entity will be very much at risk of absorption giving JUSA a very large arctic profile. If the sissy Canadians were an actual country determined to maintain their independence, they would be building and storing nukes right now along with viable delivery systems.

    • Replies: @anon
  80. Paul says:

    At least Donald Trump offered to buy Greenland, not steal land the way that Israel does to Palestinian land in the West Bank.

  81. @anon

    #78
    Written sources tells us that climate was a lot warmer during both settling of Iceland and Greenland.Granted grain could not be grown,but other more hardy vegetables like turnips thrived and grass for winterfeed collected.Sheeps and cattle had grazing .Eirik was a chieftain and founded the farm Brattalid,close to today’s Narsarsuaq.In short order around 300 farmsteads was in operation in the areas of todays Nuuk and Qaqortoq,south and southwest about.Every year they went for the seasonal cod-fisheries near the northernmost settlement at Northsite (73degrees north)Nobody said there was no ice on Greenland,but the coastal areas were descibed as ice free.The settlement was abandoned in the 1400’s as at that time the climate turned and what we here in Norway calls ‘the little ice-age’ set in.The black death had also cleaned out a lot of people and farmland at easier locations was more readily available.
    That the whole of greenland was covered in ice would have come as a surprise to the inquiring minds at the time.

    • Replies: @anon
  82. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    > blithely assumes the temperature output of the Sun is constant

    Wrong. Climate scientists have measured and are well aware that solar irradiance varies between 1360 and 1362 watts per square meter. What you’re trying to pull is the #2 most often parroted climate myth—from my comment #58—that the slight variability in the sun’s solar output is what is driving global warming. Problem is, solar radiance is dropping while earth’s temp is rising. LOL! Which thoroughly disproves your lie. See this chart:

    Chart source: Climate Myth — It’s the sun
    https://skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm

    > slight perturbations…Mars also getting warmer

    Well, now you’ve dropped all the way down to #33 and #28 of the climate lies, as enumerated here: https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php Lots of popular climate lies in between for you to trot out, and I’ve got my Climate Denial bingo card ready!

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  83. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Norwegiant

    > more hardy vegetables like turnips thrived

    Like these?

    At present, local production accounts for 10% of potatoes consumption in Greenland, but that is projected to grow to 15% by 2020. Similarly, it has enabled new crops like apples, strawberries,[31] broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, and carrots[30] to be grown and for the cultivated areas of the country to be extended[32] although even now only about 1% of Greenland is considered arable.[33]

    Economy of Greenland: Agriculture and Forestry
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Greenland#Agriculture_and_forestry

    > Sheeps and cattle had grazing.

    Are you totally unaware of reality? Go to Greenland today, look up a fellow named Magnus Hansen. He has a flock of “500 sheep” in the “verdant hills of south Greenland” according to this article:

    It’s a cool August morning as I ride in Magnus Hansen’s dented pickup truck through the verdant hills of south Greenland. We’re in search of his flock of 500 sheep grazing on the slopes. Soon we encounter three animals grazing by the gravel on the dirt road. The two ewes and a lamb first eye us warily from the bushes, then scurry across the road. Nearby is a shimmering fjord, but less than 10 miles away, though we can’t see it, lies Greenland’s mighty ice cap, a mile thick in the center of the island.

    Greenland’s Getting Warmer, But Farmers There Are Struggling More Than Ever
    NPR | November 17, 2016
    https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/11/17/502349923/climate-change-is-making-greenland-warmer-but-farmers-there-are-struggling

    > That the whole of greenland was covered in ice would have come as a surprise

    You’re projecting your own dimwitted unawareness of reality, while you’re trying to pull the climate denial myth that “Greenland was Green during the Medieval Warm Period,” addressed here: https://skepticalscience.com/greenland-used-to-be-green.htm

    • Replies: @Norwegiant
  84. @Dumbo

    ” The US is a decadent empire”.

    No you are an ignoramous.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet and pro jazz artist

    • Replies: @nsa
    , @Herald
    , @Dumbo
    , @Anounder
  85. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @nsa

    > So Russia has the greatest claims to this real wealth, Canada second, Denmark (Greenland) third, USA fourth (Alaska), then Iceland, Sweden, and Finland.

    Pretty close there, but don’t leave out Norway. (And Sweden and Finland have neither Arctic coastline nor Arctic claims.) Great map of it all here:

    This Map Shows All The Claims on The Arctic Seafloor
    https://www.sciencealert.com/this-map-shows-all-country-s-claims-on-the-arctic-seafloor

    Interestingly, Denmark and Canada are already “fighting” over Hans Island in the Nare Straights–with whiskey and schnapps, looking forward to the day the waters are navigable as the Arctic Sea ice death spiral continues.

    The calm diplomatic waters grew choppy in 1984 when Canadian troops visited the island, planted their nation’s flag and left another symbolic marker as well: a bottle of Canadian whisky. The Danes couldn’t let that stand. The country’s minister of Greenland affairs soon arrived on the island to replace the offending Canadian symbols with a Danish flag and a bottle of Danish schnapps, along with a note saying “Welcome to the Danish island.”

    Canada and Denmark Fight Over Island With Whisky and Schnapps
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/08/world/what-in-the-world/canada-denmark-hans-island-whisky-schnapps.html

  86. SafeNow says:

    A young man I know is majoring in coaching, and told me about “the sandwich principle”: To criticize an athlete, first you compliment something he is doing well, then you make the criticism, then you deliver another positive point. The Danish prime minister who blasted Trump should have known to utilize this when wording the rejection. Signing off now from S. Calif., where we have more people living and defecating on the streets than the entire population of Greenland.

  87. Herald says:
    @Sbaker

    The EU and Japan didn’t need to spend a dime on defense because America essentially took over that role.

    There may just have been a shred of credibility in this statement up to 1991, since then it has become crystal clear that US troops are solely there as occupiers and not as defenders. As bluedog says, the rest of your post is utter bullshit.

  88. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump is well aware of the Arctic Sea ice death spiral, and is going after Greenland’s Lomonosov Ridge territorial claims, since Denmark has boldly claimed it owns the North Pole!

    In 2014 Denmark filed a claim with the UN Commission for a 895,000 square kilometres (346,000 sq mi) area around the Lomonosov Ridge,[7] using paragraphs 4, 5 and 6 of Article 76.[19][20]

    Lomonosov Ridge: Danish Claim
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomonosov_Ridge#2014_Danish_claim

  89. Corvinus says:
    @WorkingClass

    “You left out the part where Lincoln invaded, conquered, occupied and annexed the Confederacy.”

    No, there wasn’t anything left out. It was a Civil War. The South lost. They should have picked their own damn cotton.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  90. @anon

    85#
    I’m giving some historical context to the article,and this story of discovery and hardships of the vikings has nothing to do with any climate debate.
    Accusing me of dimwitted unawareness of reality seems like an overstatement.
    Who is projecting.
    Gå i deg sjøl.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
  91. nsa says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    AuthenticJooMan,
    Still denying “jazz” is a “negro” idiom which you joos appropriated….in between bashing teutons for stuffing your relatives into ovens?

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  92. @nsa

    Mark Twain : Argue with a fool what do you get : Two fools.

    As far as Jazz is concerned ( and everything else) you are a total fucking ignoramous , and I simply do not have the energy to enter into a pissing contest with a numbskull such as yourself.

    AJM

    • Replies: @anon
  93. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Norwegiant

    You’re simply wrong that it was “a lot warmer.” Claiming it was “a lot warmer” in Greenland is a frequent Climate Denier claim. If you’re not a Climate Denier, that’s great, but I’m guessing that you’re unintentionally parroting their misinformation that has filtered through to you.

    As a matter of fact, the Vikings 1000 years ago did grow grain, barley, barely, just like the Danes are growing barley today in Greenland, barely.

    “Researchers believe the Vikings probably grew barley in small quantities…”
    Vikings grew barley in Greenland
    http://sciencenordic.com/vikings-grew-barley-greenland

    “The barley is back.”
    The Heat is On: Bringing back the barley
    Mild weather in Greenland pleases some but not others
    https://www.economist.com/special-report/2006/09/09/bringing-back-the-barley

    Following is an objective record of the last 12,000 years of temperatures in Greenland. As you can see, it was not “a lot warmer” 1000 years ago.

    • Replies: @SBaker
    , @The Alarmist
  94. SBaker says:
    @anon

    Instead of posting some silly graphic as an arbiter of truth use some common sense. Of the last 4-5 years, at least 3 have posted record yields of corn, wheat, soybeans, so; apparently we are going to burn up with excess food and these massive CO2 sinks will be useless. There isn’t a shred of science-based evidence for your posts. Speculative nonsense is not science.

    Again, one question: why are you pretending to be a scientist? Clearly, you are not. Do you have a degree in something? philosophy or art history?

    • Replies: @anon
  95. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Greenland is farther east, west, north, and south than Iceland. How does that affect jazz musicians playing on a cruise ship in the Denmark Strait between the two islands?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  96. @anon

    You are engaging in one of the leading climate scaremonger tactics, lying with graphs that have misleading scales.

    If you properly match up the scaling, it becomes quickly obvious that a one degree rise over that period is statistically insignificant. Graph it on the Kelvin scale and you essentially have a flat line. Include an even longer timeline, and the temp rise is even less significant.

    BTW, using moving averages makes nice, smooth lines, but it obscures real time variances.that show the possible effects of many factors.

    • Replies: @anon
  97. SBaker says:
    @The Alarmist

    You can’t reason with a non-scientist. It doesn’t matter what the subject is; the non-scientist is captivated by the fake science, the false claims seen on TV, the internet site initiated to make money for the people running “nonprofits, the climate conspiracy theories, and the lawyers filing phony lawsuits to line their pockets with money they didn’t earn. Good post. And thank you for posting the science.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  98. SBaker says:
    @anon

    Wow, temperature variation from ice-cores, accurate and reproducible to the .0000001 degree C. Utter nonsense. Answer one question: what degrees do you have — philosophy or art history or blood letting?

    • Replies: @anon
  99. @anon

    Wow, those stone age bastards must have burned a lot of trees to hot things up that much in Greenland 8000 years ago.

    • Replies: @anon
  100. @anon

    Ladies & Gentlemen, a Flat Earther has outed himself.

    • Replies: @anon
  101. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Norwegiant

    So much for “a lot warmer.”

    “It was cold when [the Vikings] got there and it was cold when they left.” -Nicolas Young of Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory

    Did the Medieval Warm Period welcome Vikings to Greenland?
    Earth Magazine | American Geosciences Institute
    https://www.earthmagazine.org/article/did-medieval-warm-period-welcome-vikings-greenland

  102. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    Your ignorance on climate science is excelled only by your ignorance of geography, particularly regarding the Mercator Projection map, a “flattening”* style of map.

    * Snyder, John P (1993). Flattening the Earth: Two Thousand Years of Map Projections. University of Chicago Press.

  103. Herald says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    If you seriously believe that the US is not a decadent empire, then there is little hope for you. Perhaps it was the army that turned your brains to mush, so it might be that Mensa’s isn’t to blame. Just as well, you’re good at blowing your own trumpet, as nobody else will bother.

    • Replies: @Anounder
  104. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    Well stated. You’re warming to anthropogenic global warming theory (AGW) rather quickly.

    Humans began altering the climate 8,000 years ago, long before the industrial revolution…

    Man has been changing climate for 8,000 years
    https://www.nature.com/news/2003/031208/full/news031208-7.html

  105. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @SBaker

    > reproducible to the .0000001 degree C. Utter nonsense.

    Indeed, you are spouting utter nonsense (about accuracy of instruments and preciseness of measurements) as a means to deny science. It’s called setting up “impossible expectations.” Here’s your sign:

    What degree did you get off the back of a cereal box — Gender Studies or Bible Studies? Do tell!

  106. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    I bet your family physician is also using scaremonger tactics, lying with graphs in patient charts that have misleading scales. The doctor said your baby died of a fever, but following your sage advice, I graphed the development of the fatal fever on the Kelvin scale and found that you essentially have a flat line, which means no meaningful temperature change can be detected on the graph!!! That doctor is daft and you’re so smart!!!

    Also, your maps are all have misleading scales, and should use the Light-Year unit of length.

    Mall Food Court Map Source:
    Bad Chart Thursday: The “Realistic” Scale of Climate Change Denial
    https://skepchick.org/2019/05/bad-chart-thursday-the-realistic-scale-of-climate-change-denial/

  107. SBaker says:
    @The Alarmist

    One more silly phony post by Miss Anon–for anyone familiar with Nature magazine, the silly picture posted by Anon is not a cover for the British Science journal Nature. The pictures and graphics prove nothing except her ignorance of science. I give her credit for not lying about his/her credentials, which it simply refuses to supply. You know you are no scientist, Anon, and so does anyone else with a sliver of science training. Anon has a problem when it comes to confession.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @The Alarmist
    , @anon
  108. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @SBaker

    Oh Shirley, you’ve really got your panties in a bunch about the White Man’s realm of science, girl! Is it because you’re on your period? Or is it the irritating allergies from all the cats that you keep for company? Maybe you’re angry because you’re hitting the wall, Shirley Baker, and no good fellow can tolerate your stupidity any more. It’s a sad thing to become as ugly as you are here.

  109. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @SBaker

    > record yields….

    …in some locations.

    We found that climate change has affected yields in many places. Not all of the changes are negative: Some crop yields have increased in some locations.

    Climate change is affecting crop yields and reducing global food supplies
    http://theconversation.com/climate-change-is-affecting-crop-yields-and-reducing-global-food-supplies-118897

    > There isn’t a shred of science-based evidence for your posts.

    The clearest example of psychological projection ever posted in the history of the internet.

  110. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    Big Tobacco used the same tactics–and same Public Relations shysters–as the billionaire climate deniers do today. That tactic is what you’re wielding here, to deprecate science. Big Tobacco’s cry against the evidence that smoking was harmful to health was “junk science!” and it is today with climate deniers.

    Tobacco and Oil Industries Used Same Researchers to Sway Public
    As early as the 1950s, the groups shared scientists and publicists to downplay dangers of smoking and climate change
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tobacco-and-oil-industries-used-same-researchers-to-sway-public1/

    And you Unztards, who think you’re so smart at ferreting out the machinations of the powers that be, get led around by the nose like little poodles by NYC PR firms that specialize in hand-waving about “junk science.” Meanwhile, you ignore one of the highest achievement of white men, the natural sciences. SAD!

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  111. @SBaker

    Well … uhhh … I posted it for a laugh. But I could see where you might think it was a serious post by Anon.

    • Replies: @anon
  112. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @SBaker

    > the silly picture posted by Anon is not a cover for the British Science journal Nature.

    I just read that again. It was your rug-munching partner The Alarmist who posted the spoof cover of Nature in comment #107, not me. Not only is your sad little apartment filled with shedding cats, you’ve downed half a 5L box of too-sweet girlie wine, and you’re now typing drunk. LOL! Please, oh please, respond to this! I love debating raging-drunk harpies like you. Maybe you can post your opinion about the authentic Nature international journal of science news article I discussed, quoted, and referenced in comment #106. Can’t wait! 🙂

  113. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    Speaking of Lightening Up

    NWS Chart courtesy of:
    Lightning struck near the North Pole 48 times. It’s not normal.
    A warmer Arctic in general provided the fuel for lightning-producing thunderheads to move north.
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/08/lightning-struck-near-north-pole-why-strange/

  114. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    Comment 101, The Alarmist: Wow, those stone age bastards must have burned a lot of trees to hot things up that much in Greenland 8000 years ago.
    Comment 106, Nature science journal: Humans began altering the climate 8,000 years ago, long before the industrial revolution.

    Damnit I thought you wrote that Nature science article. Are you denying it now? You claim you didn’t write it, but want us to believe that you writing “8000 years ago” and Nature saying “8,0000 years ago” is a “mere coincidence?” LOL And look, your note about those stone age bastards is right in the chart! Wow! Confess! 🙂

    Above is a screenshot, modified by me, original chart is in the full article here:
    https://www.uvm.edu/~pbierman/classes/gradsem/2008/ruddiman_2003.pdf

    P.S. I can laugh too, at you, for being so right about 8000 years ago, just because you thought you were being funny.

    • Replies: @Sbaker
  115. bluedog says:
    @Sbaker

    Better then you think my friend,much better then you think.!!!

  116. Dumbo says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Learn to use commas and spell correctly (hint: it’s ignoramus) and provide arguments for your assertions and maybe we’ll talk. Also drop that dumb bio signature!! No one cares about “Mensa”, it’s basically a club for “high-IQ” idiots with no other accomplishments.

  117. @Republic

    It would be child’s play to stage a color revolution in Greenland.

    Heck, it has a colour in its name.

  118. Trump must immediately implement a 300 percent Beautiful Tariff on any and all goods and services emanating from any and all territories and jurisdictions controlled by the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY.

    Every other nation or jurisdiction must be hit with a 200 percent tariff — immediately.

    Trump must immediately import some ladies beach volleyball athletes from Denmark — tariff free for you and me — as a gesture of goodwill and comity with Denmark and the Danish people and Mette Frederiksen — even though Frederiksen is a humourless Danish butter cookie.

    The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire has conspired and colluded with the Chinese Communist Party for 50 years to lower wages for American workers and to de-industrialize the USA.

    I fully support President Trump in his beautiful tariff measures to teach some manners to the Chinese Communist Party. I just think Trump should make his beautiful tariffs on the Chinese Communist Party PROHIBITIVE instead of REVENUE RAISING or PUNITIVE.

    Trump should order the US Navy to stop and sink all boats carrying any damn thing whatsoever from the Chinese Communist Party. Do it on live TV after the crew has been evacuated and the fuel from the ship has been removed. Environmental and humanitarian concerns must be paramount when sinking ships carrying crud from the Chinese Communist Party.

  119. Sbaker says:
    @The Alarmist

    Seems certain that anon is still in high school and probably a member of the alphabet klan; LGBTQPBB

    • Replies: @anon
  120. Sbaker says:
    @anon

    time to address the real underlying motivation for climate denial: Racism, Xenophobia, and Misogyny

    It’s time to admit that white people literally want to watch the world burn

    • Replies: @anon
  121. Girl From Ipanema Goes To Greenland

    Trump From Queens County Goes To Greenland

    Trumpy and that Danish buttercup sweety Kraut-looking Dane Mette Frederiksen have something in common: they both used the old bait and switch electioneering game to over-promise on immigration, and, once elected, they both backstabbed the Hell out of their nations by backsliding like bastards on their promises to reduce legal immigration and completely halt illegal immigration.

    Mette Frederiksen is center-left and she broke the center-left mold on the immigration issue by campaigning to implement an immigration policy that would put the interests of Denmark and the Danish people ahead of the interests of foreigners. Once she won her campaign, she forgot all about her pledges to put Denmark First.

    Girl From Ipanema Goes To Greenland — B-52s:

  122. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sbaker

    Looks like Shirley Baker, the single cat-lady, is still typing drunk. When can you come back and debate sober, Shirley?

  123. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sbaker

    I don’t think any of the oddball motives you listed have anything to do with your denial. Therefore, I’ll ask a question that no denier commenting on Unz ever answers, I’ve even asked it in this comment section already, and… **crickets**

    The Question: What physical quantity melts ice [e.g., chart in comment #42, or graph below] on a global scale? Now you answer why you won’t answer a simple question is at a first grade science lesson level, and address your motives.

    Chart source: Is Greenland gaining or losing ice?
    https://skepticalscience.com/greenland-cooling-gaining-ice.htm

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  124. @anon

    Duh. Gee, I dunno … heat?

    Now, having determined there is more warmth, let’s work through the many possible reasons in a complex dynamic system why there might be more heat. Increased carbon dioxide is merely one possibility, and it might be acting alone or in interaction with other factors, or maybe not.

  125. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:

    > there is more warmth

    True, and measured so.

    > Increased carbon dioxide is merely one possibility,

    CO2 is indeed a greenhouse gas, and scientists known that for 2 centuries.

    > and it might be acting alone

    It’s not alone.

    > or in interaction with other factors

    CO2 is interacting with other factors, as shown in this graph, including orbital variations and solar irradiance (sunspot cycle) variations among others.

    View post on imgur.com

    Graph source: NASA https://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelforce/

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  126. Anounder says:
    @Herald

    Amerifat Vets are always so ridiculous. Wouldn’t be surprised to learn he’s proud his mulatto grandson.

  127. Anounder says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    “I would be proud to have a half-Black grandkid”

  128. @anon

    CO2 is interacting with other factors, as shown in this graph, including orbital variations and solar irradiance (sunspot cycle) variations among others.

    Look, the output of models is not evidence. Pasting graphs from models is not dissemination of science, it is dissemination of models’ attempts to explain the behaviour of observations in the hope that this can lead to a better understanding of the science.

    Your constant graph-pasting makes me feel like I’m back in church listening to the priest mumble magic spells in Latin, and I’m supposed to look at all the sacred relics and hear of the mysteries of the divinity, and I am expected to be silent, reverent and afraid.

    • Replies: @anon
  129. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    Good grief, the stupid is so strong with you, it burns. Models are a key element of science. I bet you think physics is all witch-doctoring too, huh? Like this famous phycisist said…

    John von Neumann: the sciences do not try to explain, they hardly even try to interpret, they mainly make models.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_modelling

    And the climate models are quite accurate in relation to the data.

    Climate Myth–Models are unreliable
    https://skepticalscience.com/climate-models.htm

    > not dissemination of science…I’m back in church listening to the priest mumble magic spells in Latin

    You’re projecting your own utter ignorance of what scientists actually do. You’re as dumb as a sub-Saharan witch doctor, who would also equate the White Man’s graphs with his own witch-doctoring. But at least you got as far as a witch doctor in your science education; they would admit too that heat melts ice. There’s a model for that too. Do you think that the model for ice melting negates the fact of ice melting? LOL

  130. @Uri Katsav

    And once the whites have all fled and Mexicans are a majority then who will maintain the infrastructure? The roads will break up. Dams will crack and collapse, electric turbine generators will fail from lack of maintenance.

    Where and how will the Mexes get their water? The place will dry up and all the Mexes will die of thirst. The population of Nuevo Mexico del Norte will shrink back to the level Nature intended, virtually uninhabited except for Mexican subsistence farmers.

    If whites adopted a hands off attitude, sat back and let nature take its course, one half the world’s population would die within a year. This would be a good thing. Balance would be restored. A majority of the world’s ingrates would be silenced and the rest of us would be free to pursue the greatest good in relative peace and tranquility.

    • Replies: @anon
  131. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    It is absurd that supposedly anti-interventionist Buchanan talks about “venerable expansion” of the U.S.

    I know, just 5 minutes ago it was all about how America needs to be isolationist and now it’s some ancient expansionist idea… pfft. Where is the credibility.

    Denmark and other North European nations should limit sharing info with the US and limit US access to their populations.

  132. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes

    > If whites adopted a hands off attitude

    True. There wouldn’t be a single Somali left in Minnesota if fossil fuel heat disappeared.

  133. @WorkingClass

    You should be forced to take a few Negroes back. And support them until the end of their days.

  134. @Corvinus

    You and Working Class agree on a major point– that Africans have a place in North America.

    I lean more to Lincoln’s view– if they do, it shouldn’t be anywhere north of Panama.

    Enjoy the company of your charges.

  135. If we buy anything from Denmark, it should be their immigration policy.

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