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“Pope Declares No Hell?”

So ran the riveting headline on the Drudge Report of Holy Thursday.

Drudge quoted this exchange, published in La Repubblica, between Pope Francis and his atheist friend, journalist Eugenio Scalfari.

Scalfari: “What about bad souls? Where are they punished?”

Bad souls “are not punished,” Pope Francis is quoted, “those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls.”

On the first Holy Thursday, Judas betrayed Christ. And of Judas the Lord said, “Woe to that man by whom the Son of Man shall be betrayed; it were better for him if that man had never been born.”

Did the soul of Judas, and those of the monstrous evildoers of history, “just fade away,” as General MacArthur said of old soldiers? If there is no hell, is not the greatest deterrent to the worst of sins removed?

What did Christ die on the cross to save us from?

If Francis made such a statement, it would be rank heresy.

Had the pope been speaking ex cathedra, as the vicar of Christ on earth, he would be contradicting 2,000 years of Catholic doctrine, rooted in the teachings of Christ himself. He would be calling into question papal infallibility, as defined in 1870 by the Vatican Council of Pius IX.

Questions would arise as to whether Francis is a true pope.

The Vatican swiftly issued a statement saying the pope had had a private conversation, not a formal interview, with his friend Scalfari.

The Vatican added: “The textual words pronounced by the pope are not quoted. No quotation of the aforementioned article must therefore be considered as a faithful transcription of the words of the Holy Father.”

Sorry, but this will not do. This does not answer the questions the pope raised in his chat. Does hell exist? Are souls that die in mortal sin damned to hell for all eternity? Does the pope accept this belief? Is this still the infallible teaching of the Roman Catholic Church?

However one may applaud Francis’ stance on social justice, on matters of faith and morals he has called defined doctrine into question and created confusion throughout the Church he heads.

In his letter Amoris Laetitia, “The Joy of Love,” the pope seemed to give approval to the receiving of Holy Communion by divorced and remarried Catholics, whose previous marriages had not been annulled, and whom the Church holds to be living in adultery.

Relying on the pope’s letter, German bishops have begun to authorize the distribution of Communion to divorced and remarried couples.

Cardinal Gerhard Muller, former prefect of the Vatican office for the Doctrine of the Faith, the position once held by Pope Benedict XVI, says this contradicts Catholic doctrine as enunciated by Pope John Paul II.

Said Cardinal Muller, “No power in heaven or on earth, neither an angel nor the pope, not a council, nor a law of the bishops has the faculty to change it.”

Four cardinals, including Raymond Burke of the United States, in a formal letter, asked the pope to clarify Amoris Laetitia. The pope did not, nor has he addressed the cardinals’ concerns.

Indeed, when asked early in his papacy about the immorality of homosexuality, the pope parried the question, “Who am I to judge?”

But if not thee, who? Is not the judging of right and wrong part of the job description?

Nor is it only in the realm of doctrine that the pope has sown confusion among the faithful.

To legalize the underground Catholic Church in China, the pope and the Vatican have agreed to ask Catholic bishops to stand aside for bishops approved by the Communist Party that seeks tighter control of Christian faiths.

The Vatican has also agreed to approve the consecration of a bishop named by Beijing, whom Rome previously regarded as illegitimate.

The capitulation is necessary for the Catholic Church in China to survive and prosper, argues the Vatican. But what kind of church will it become, asks retired Archbishop Joseph Zen Ze-kiun of Hong Kong.

The Vatican is “selling out” the Church in China, says the archbishop: “Some say that all the effort to reach an agreement is to avoid the ecclesial schism. How ridiculous! The schism is there, in the Independent Church!”

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Archbishop Zen concedes his criticism of the Communist Party and the Vatican’s diplomatic efforts are causing problems in closing the rift between the underground Church and the Communist Party-sanctioned church, but makes no apology: “Am I the major obstacle in the process of reaching a deal between the Vatican and China? If that is a bad deal, I would be more than happy to be the obstacle.”

There is a division inside Catholicism that is widening, between a Third World and traditional church that are growing, and a mainstream Church in Europe and here that is taking on aspects of the Anglican Church of the 20th century.

And how did that turn out, Your Holiness?

Happy Easter!

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Who needs Hell when we got ‘gay marriage’ in the West?

    And the Africanization of Europe will be hell on earth.

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    • Replies: @Colleen Pater
    sadly neitz is correct gods dead and we are better off without the slave morality. It may have sewrved us well for a long time that times over its open wound jews and niggers enter by
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  2. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    How was Judas evil when he carried out the will of God?

    If not for his ‘betrayal’, there would be no Christianity.

    Besides, he killed himself which shows he felt remorse.

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    • Replies: @Bill
    What bracingly original and convincing arguments!

    You seem almost as smart and knowledgeable as Richard Dawkins!

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Killing himself meant he refused to humble himself before God and beg forgiveness. It was a form of Spiritual Pride. Presumption of God's Mercy can mean that you sin, assuming God has to forgive you, but it can also mean that you assume He cannot forgive you and are too proud to ask.
    , @Begemot
    Without Judas maybe it would have been done by 'Immaculate Crucifixion'?

    I agree with your point. Judas was an instrument of God's will to achieve a Divine goal. To condemn him is most unjust. So far none of your respondents have bothered to address your point. Which is not at all surprising.
    , @bjondo
    Judas carried out the will of Judas.
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  3. Dan Hayes says:

    You know that the Bergoglio papacy has hit its current absolute nadir when Pat Buchanan, a devoted practicing Catholic, entitles his essay “Does the Pope Believe in Hell?”.

    Since Bergoglio has stated that his personal project is “to mess things up” there is still plenty of room for even greater disimprovements!

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    • Replies: @anarchyst
    The concept that "bad" souls are simply extinguished comes right out of judaism, which is one of the jews' core beliefs.
    This "pope" seems to be more jew than anything else.
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  4. Schismatic Catholics affiliated with the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre are looking better and better.

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    • Replies: @anarchyst
    Please look up SSPX (Society of St. Pius X). You will be pleasantly surprised, as this Catholic sect follows pre-Vatican II doctrine.
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  5. Alan Newton says: • Website

    The thoughts and comments of ‘the pope’, or any other self-professed title, have no more credibility or authority than that which is allowed by the hearer. The pope is correct in stating that there is no such thing as an eternal, physical hell. But not because ‘the pope’ has declared it so. The Hebrew language of the Old Testament is proof that there never was a concept of a permanent reality referred to as ‘hell’; especially religious man’s interpretation of that nightmare. Catholicism had to manufacture that lie. The ‘pope’ has less Spiritual commonality with God than does my unsophisticated, but incredibly loving and loyal dog. The dog never lies, and is incapable of deceit or malfeasance or avarice or sexual dishonesty. Not so with ‘the pope’, or any other man; regardless of his appointed credentials. Only Yashua (Jesus if you prefer) had the audacity, and the authority, to say “If you have seen me, you have seen The Father”. Yashua did not, however, say the same of ‘the pope’, or the ‘high priest’.

    Alan Newton, Longs, SC

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    • Replies: @Stonehands
    The OT most certainly speaks of God's eternal wrath and judgement.

    BTW... Matt, Mark, Luke and John weren't "Catholics" when they gave a more revealing revelation of Hell.

    As Christians we are aware of Satan's greatest deception:

    That he doesn't exist.



    Happy Resurrection Sunday!
    , @nsa
    Fellow dog lover: take note that RC doctrine declares that St. Pat can easily slide into "heaven" even though he promoted the murder of 4.5 million Vietnamese by simply "repenting".....whereas the very same RC doctrine has declared that your beloved canine pal lacks a soul and can never enter. Who is stupid enough to buy into this goofy stuff from a vile pedophile cult?
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  6. “Lizabel said I’m goin’ to Hell
    Fer tossin’ my Ma down the well.
    Pope Francis an’ Nietzsche
    Brung me plan suits me peachy:
    ‘Disappear’ when I toss Lizabel.”

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  7. This atheist pope is a disaster. We’d need a Pope speaking out against the Islamization of Europe, instead we got a wishy-washy liberal, and an atheist, to boot.

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    • Replies: @German_reader
    I'm unconvinced he's an atheist. Right-wingers often claim that Christians who promote mass immigration, especially of Muslims, are just selling out to secular leftism and can't genuinely believe in God, but I don't think that's true.
    As for hell, I suppose the pope realizes on some level that the traditional Catholic teaching on it isn't attractive to most people nowadays if they think too deeply about it. After all, according to the traditional logic you don't just go there if you sin against your fellow man. You go there in any case if you don't belong to the Catholic church and believe in Christ (or maybe even just if you don't follow the church's rules...my late mother was told as a child in the 1950s that people who didn't go to church regularly, would go to hell...). Whereas even people who have committed the most horrible crimes could be saved through repentance and belief in Christ (e.g. Rudolf Höß). That clashes with fundamental notions of justice for many people.
    Obviously it's a grave problem for an institution like the Catholic church though if they just turn around and say "Hey, we may have been kind of wrong for the last 2000 years on that issue!", it just reeks of opportunism.
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  8. Bill says:
    @Anon
    How was Judas evil when he carried out the will of God?

    If not for his 'betrayal', there would be no Christianity.

    Besides, he killed himself which shows he felt remorse.

    What bracingly original and convincing arguments!

    You seem almost as smart and knowledgeable as Richard Dawkins!

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  9. Bill says:

    The capitulation is necessary for the Catholic Church in China to survive and prosper, argues the Vatican. But what kind of church will it become, asks retired Archbishop Joseph Zen Ze-kiun of Hong Kong.

    Who would you rather have governing the Church in China: Jorge Bergoglio or Xi Jinping?

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Now that’s a good question. By being a traitor, Bergoglio diminishes his own authority. So at least there’s something good in it.
    , @Crawfurdmuir

    Who would you rather have governing the Church in China: Jorge Bergoglio or Xi Jinping?
     
    The difficulties of the Roman Catholic Church in China have many historical parallels. There was always conflict between the Church's assertion of its independence and the claims of the secular power. Thomas à Becket was murdered as a result of his resistance to the Constitutions of Clarendon, by which Henry II gave common-law courts original jurisdiction over the acts of "criminous clerks." Henry's son John later came into conflict with the Church over his preferred candidate for the archbishopric of Canterbury, and ended up being excommunicated. The mediaeval conflict between Guelph and Ghibelline arose between supporters of the papacy and those of the Holy Roman Empire.

    The Church resolved such disagreements in other cases by means of concordats. A typical subject of concordats dealt with the right of presentation to bishoprics. Thus, for example, the Concordat of Bologna of 1516 gave the kings of France the right to choose archbishops, bishops, abbots, and priors within his kingdom. A similar concordat was made between Francoist Spain and the Church as recently as 1953.

    Normally the Church made such concordats with powers that were at least nominally Catholic, in the case of France leading to the development of Gallicanism. A theory called Febronianism developed in Germany that went beyond Gallicanism and challenged the monarchical nature of the papacy. Yet this, too, was a phenomenon internal to Catholicism.

    The distinction in the case of China is that the right of presentation to bishoprics is apparently going to be vested in a government that is not only not Catholic, but not even Christian. I cannot see this ending well for the Church.

    And what should we call this government-controlled church? May I suggest "Garrican" or "Feblonian"?

    , @RadicalCenter
    Well, Jorge is more of a Marxist. And I hear Xi likes women. So those are two differences right there.
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  10. Any institution that isn’t explicitly right wing will drift left. Almost all churches are no exception. A lot of us quite rightfully call out the Jew for their oversized role in all this mess but we can’t let Christianity off the hook. It has been a very willing handmaiden. Scratch the quasi mystical surface of his position and you’ll see that the current pope is just another boomer SJW.

    Christianity is a weak, feminine religion and the Catholic Church is just catching up to the Anglicans. Expect to see the rainbow flag flying in front of your local archdiocese within two years.

    In my darker moments I think that just maybe (if there is a God) His plan is for us to see that (Shi’a or Sufi) Islam is the true path to God.

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    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
    From The Dubious Gospel of Johnny
    As Transcribed from the Old Hindustani:
    "My Doctrine consists
    In that, if God exists,
    He's a (Shi'a or Sufi) Islami."
    , @Issac
    Taken together those comprise less than 10% of the world's muslim population and their birth rates are low relative to Sunni. If the Christian religion is displaced by Islam it will be of the latter variety.
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  11. anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:

    Hey Pat, should religious dogma be carved in stone forever? Christianity would never have evolved without overthrowing some of the earler dogma.

    As for the issues of atonement and hell, it sounds like the Pope has been reading the Urantia Book:

    188:4.8 (2017.3) When once you grasp the idea of God as a true and loving Father, the only concept which Jesus ever taught, you must forthwith, in all consistency, utterly abandon all those primitive notions about God as an offended monarch, a stern and all-powerful ruler whose chief delight is to detect his subjects in wrongdoing and to see that they are adequately punished, unless some being almost equal to himself should volunteer to suffer for them, to die as a substitute and in their stead. The whole idea of ransom and atonement is incompatible with the concept of God as it was taught and exemplified by Jesus of Nazareth. The infinite love of God is not secondary to anything in the divine nature.

    188:4.9 (2017.4) All this concept of atonement and sacrificial salvation is rooted and grounded in selfishness. Jesus taught that service to one’s fellows is the highest concept of the brotherhood of spirit believers. Salvation should be taken for granted by those who believe in the fatherhood of God. The believer’s chief concern should not be the selfish desire for personal salvation but rather the unselfish urge to love and, therefore, serve one’s fellows even as Jesus loved and served mortal men.

    188:4.10 (2017.5) Neither do genuine believers trouble themselves so much about the future punishment of sin. The real believer is only concerned about present separation from God. True, wise fathers may chasten their sons, but they do all this in love and for corrective purposes. They do not punish in anger, neither do they chastise in retribution.

    188:4.11 (2017.6) Even if God were the stern and legal monarch of a universe in which justice ruled supreme, he certainly would not be satisfied with the childish scheme of substituting an innocent sufferer for a guilty offender.

    2:3.2 (36.7) How futile to make puerile appeals to such a God to modify his changeless decrees so that we can avoid the just consequences of the operation of his wise natural laws and righteous spiritual mandates! “Be not deceived; God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man sows that shall he also reap.” True, even in the justice of reaping the harvest of wrongdoing, this divine justice is always tempered with mercy. Infinite wisdom is the eternal arbiter which determines the proportions of justice and mercy which shall be meted out in any given circumstance. The greatest punishment (in reality an inevitable consequence) for wrongdoing and deliberate rebellion against the government of God is loss of existence as an individual subject of that government. The final result of wholehearted sin is annihilation. In the last analysis, such sin-identified individuals have destroyed themselves by becoming wholly unreal through their embrace of iniquity. The factual disappearance of such a creature is, however, always delayed until the ordained order of justice current in that universe has been fully complied with.

    2:3.3 (37.1) Cessation of existence is usually decreed at the dispensational or epochal adjudication of the realm or realms. On a world such as Urantia it comes at the end of a planetary dispensation. Cessation of existence can be decreed at such times by co-ordinate action of all tribunals of jurisdiction, extending from the planetary council up through the courts of the Creator Son to the judgment tribunals of the Ancients of Days. The mandate of dissolution originates in the higher courts of the superuniverse following an unbroken confirmation of the indictment originating on the sphere of the wrongdoer’s residence; and then, when sentence of extinction has been confirmed on high, the execution is by the direct act of those judges residential on, and operating from, the headquarters of the superuniverse.

    2:3.4 (37.2) When this sentence is finally confirmed, the sin-identified being instantly becomes as though he had not been. There is no resurrection from such a fate; it is everlasting and eternal. The living energy factors of identity are resolved by the transformations of time and the metamorphoses of space into the cosmic potentials whence they once emerged. As for the personality of the iniquitous one, it is deprived of a continuing life vehicle by the creature’s failure to make those choices and final decisions which would have assured eternal life. When the continued embrace of sin by the associated mind culminates in complete self-identification with iniquity, then upon the cessation of life, upon cosmic dissolution, such an isolated personality is absorbed into the oversoul of creation, becoming a part of the evolving experience of the Supreme Being. Never again does it appear as a personality; its identity becomes as though it had never been. In the case of an Adjuster-indwelt personality, the experiential spirit values survive in the reality of the continuing Adjuster.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    https://oca.org/orthodoxy/the-orthodox-faith/spirituality/the-kingdom-of-heaven/heaven-and-hell here you go
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  12. Pope Tetzel’s defying the scoffers:
    For the Foreskin of Christ, he’d take offers.
    The name of Rome’s game
    Is forever the same:
    Fill the pews, fill their bellies and coffers.

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    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Catherine of Siena got the foreskin. It was her betrothal ring.
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  13. ken says:

    Meh. We’ve survived worse than him.

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    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Borgia Popes broke the rules, but they didn't try to CHANGE the rules.
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  14. @Bill

    The capitulation is necessary for the Catholic Church in China to survive and prosper, argues the Vatican. But what kind of church will it become, asks retired Archbishop Joseph Zen Ze-kiun of Hong Kong.
     
    Who would you rather have governing the Church in China: Jorge Bergoglio or Xi Jinping?

    Now that’s a good question. By being a traitor, Bergoglio diminishes his own authority. So at least there’s something good in it.

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  15. KenH says:

    There’s more important questions like “Is Donald J. Trump a total sellout, phony and fraud?” And where do we go from here now that he seemingly is?

    I will say that to anyone concerned about saving the white race and Western civilization you shouldn’t look to Christianity and Catholicism as the cultural Marxist takeover of both institutions is far advanced if not complete. The latter still seems to be struggling with homosexuals and pederasts throughout its hierarchy. Regardless, it’s incapable and unwilling to wield the sword in defense of the West.

    Both generally welcome the browning of America and the Islamic takeover of Europe and neither generally recognize whites or their right to survive in a hostile world. Evangelical Christianity is nothing more than a Jew and Israel worshipping cult but this afflicts other denominations as well.

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  16. @Johnny Smoggins
    Any institution that isn't explicitly right wing will drift left. Almost all churches are no exception. A lot of us quite rightfully call out the Jew for their oversized role in all this mess but we can't let Christianity off the hook. It has been a very willing handmaiden. Scratch the quasi mystical surface of his position and you'll see that the current pope is just another boomer SJW.

    Christianity is a weak, feminine religion and the Catholic Church is just catching up to the Anglicans. Expect to see the rainbow flag flying in front of your local archdiocese within two years.

    In my darker moments I think that just maybe (if there is a God) His plan is for us to see that (Shi'a or Sufi) Islam is the true path to God.

    From The Dubious Gospel of Johnny
    As Transcribed from the Old Hindustani:
    “My Doctrine consists
    In that, if God exists,
    He’s a (Shi’a or Sufi) Islami.”

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  17. Jamie_NYC says:

    Hey, Pat, the line from the Great Inquisitor comes to mind: the secret of the Catholic church is that they are not with Jesus, but with the other guy.

    And, from, I think, Leszek Kolakowski: the greatest success the devil achived was convincing people he doesn’t exist.

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  18. @Alan Newton
    The thoughts and comments of 'the pope', or any other self-professed title, have no more credibility or authority than that which is allowed by the hearer. The pope is correct in stating that there is no such thing as an eternal, physical hell. But not because 'the pope' has declared it so. The Hebrew language of the Old Testament is proof that there never was a concept of a permanent reality referred to as 'hell'; especially religious man's interpretation of that nightmare. Catholicism had to manufacture that lie. The 'pope' has less Spiritual commonality with God than does my unsophisticated, but incredibly loving and loyal dog. The dog never lies, and is incapable of deceit or malfeasance or avarice or sexual dishonesty. Not so with 'the pope', or any other man; regardless of his appointed credentials. Only Yashua (Jesus if you prefer) had the audacity, and the authority, to say "If you have seen me, you have seen The Father". Yashua did not, however, say the same of 'the pope', or the 'high priest'.

    Alan Newton, Longs, SC

    The OT most certainly speaks of God’s eternal wrath and judgement.

    BTW… Matt, Mark, Luke and John weren’t “Catholics” when they gave a more revealing revelation of Hell.

    As Christians we are aware of Satan’s greatest deception:

    That he doesn’t exist.

    Happy Resurrection Sunday!

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    • Replies: @Talha

    Satan’s greatest deception: That he doesn’t exist.
     
    Bingo ! And he's laughing all the way to the bank to cash that blank check. Welcome to the verge...

    Peace.
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  19. @reiner Tor
    This atheist pope is a disaster. We’d need a Pope speaking out against the Islamization of Europe, instead we got a wishy-washy liberal, and an atheist, to boot.

    I’m unconvinced he’s an atheist. Right-wingers often claim that Christians who promote mass immigration, especially of Muslims, are just selling out to secular leftism and can’t genuinely believe in God, but I don’t think that’s true.
    As for hell, I suppose the pope realizes on some level that the traditional Catholic teaching on it isn’t attractive to most people nowadays if they think too deeply about it. After all, according to the traditional logic you don’t just go there if you sin against your fellow man. You go there in any case if you don’t belong to the Catholic church and believe in Christ (or maybe even just if you don’t follow the church’s rules…my late mother was told as a child in the 1950s that people who didn’t go to church regularly, would go to hell…). Whereas even people who have committed the most horrible crimes could be saved through repentance and belief in Christ (e.g. Rudolf Höß). That clashes with fundamental notions of justice for many people.
    Obviously it’s a grave problem for an institution like the Catholic church though if they just turn around and say “Hey, we may have been kind of wrong for the last 2000 years on that issue!”, it just reeks of opportunism.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Well, he’s definitely not a Catholic, at least not according to the traditional definition. You cannot just dismantle dogma and still claim to believe in the same stuff. How much do you believe in the rest of the story if you are so easily willing to throw out such important parts of the religion?

    Maybe he’s not an atheist. But I doubt he’s much of a Catholic - obviously doesn’t believe in hell, and a very large portion of the teaching, like I don’t think he believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman, or that divorce should not be granted by lay authorities (it can already be obtained from the Church, it’s not nearly as difficult as centuries ago), etc.

    I went one step further and doubted if he had any religious faith at all, except post-Christianity, the same the rest of the SJWs have.
    , @reiner Tor
    I would accept an atheist shitlord as Pope (I’m not quite religious myself), but if that’s impossible, then the next best thing would be a Catholic opponent of Islamization. Or at least have a traditional catholic, who would at least get into conflict with the liberals on dogmatic issues like gay marriage or something similar.

    Bergoglio is the worst possible pope from my perspective, he actively supports Islamization while being unopposed to the other aspects of the liberal program.

    , @dfordoom

    I’m unconvinced he’s an atheist. Right-wingers often claim that Christians who promote mass immigration, especially of Muslims, are just selling out to secular leftism and can’t genuinely believe in God, but I don’t think that’s true.

     

    That's the worrying thing. Secular leftism is bad but squishy woolly-minded believing Christians who think every problem can be solved by group hugs and emotional gushing are arguably even worse.
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  20. @German_reader
    I'm unconvinced he's an atheist. Right-wingers often claim that Christians who promote mass immigration, especially of Muslims, are just selling out to secular leftism and can't genuinely believe in God, but I don't think that's true.
    As for hell, I suppose the pope realizes on some level that the traditional Catholic teaching on it isn't attractive to most people nowadays if they think too deeply about it. After all, according to the traditional logic you don't just go there if you sin against your fellow man. You go there in any case if you don't belong to the Catholic church and believe in Christ (or maybe even just if you don't follow the church's rules...my late mother was told as a child in the 1950s that people who didn't go to church regularly, would go to hell...). Whereas even people who have committed the most horrible crimes could be saved through repentance and belief in Christ (e.g. Rudolf Höß). That clashes with fundamental notions of justice for many people.
    Obviously it's a grave problem for an institution like the Catholic church though if they just turn around and say "Hey, we may have been kind of wrong for the last 2000 years on that issue!", it just reeks of opportunism.

    Well, he’s definitely not a Catholic, at least not according to the traditional definition. You cannot just dismantle dogma and still claim to believe in the same stuff. How much do you believe in the rest of the story if you are so easily willing to throw out such important parts of the religion?

    Maybe he’s not an atheist. But I doubt he’s much of a Catholic – obviously doesn’t believe in hell, and a very large portion of the teaching, like I don’t think he believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman, or that divorce should not be granted by lay authorities (it can already be obtained from the Church, it’s not nearly as difficult as centuries ago), etc.

    I went one step further and doubted if he had any religious faith at all, except post-Christianity, the same the rest of the SJWs have.

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  21. Issac says:
    @Johnny Smoggins
    Any institution that isn't explicitly right wing will drift left. Almost all churches are no exception. A lot of us quite rightfully call out the Jew for their oversized role in all this mess but we can't let Christianity off the hook. It has been a very willing handmaiden. Scratch the quasi mystical surface of his position and you'll see that the current pope is just another boomer SJW.

    Christianity is a weak, feminine religion and the Catholic Church is just catching up to the Anglicans. Expect to see the rainbow flag flying in front of your local archdiocese within two years.

    In my darker moments I think that just maybe (if there is a God) His plan is for us to see that (Shi'a or Sufi) Islam is the true path to God.

    Taken together those comprise less than 10% of the world’s muslim population and their birth rates are low relative to Sunni. If the Christian religion is displaced by Islam it will be of the latter variety.

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    I don't know why people have this notion that Sufis are not Sunnis (or plain ordinary Muslims) - there are plenty of Sufis that are Orthodox Sunnis - I am one, practically everyone I know is one. My Dad was just a regular guy in Pakistan and he had a Sufi teacher.

    This article is a good start:
    "Given the difficulty of defining Sufism, it is not easy to discern which Muslims have been Ṣūfīs. Being a Ṣūfī has nothing to do with the Sunnī-Shīʿī split, nor with the schools of jurisprudence. It has no special connection with geography, though it has played a greater role in some locations than in others. There is no necessary correlation with family, and it is common to find individuals who profess a Ṣūfī affiliation despite the hostility of family members, or people who have been born into a family of Ṣūfīs and consider it an unacceptable form of Islam. Men and, less commonly, women, become Ṣūfīs; even children participate in Ṣūfī ritual activities, though they are seldom initiated formally before puberty. Sufism has nothing to do with social class, though some Ṣūfī organizations may be more or less class-specific. It is closely associated with popular religion, but it has also produced the most elite expressions of Islamic teachings. It is often seen as opposed to the state-supported jurists, yet jurists have always been counted among its devotees, and Sufism has frequently been supported by the state along with jurisprudence..."
    "One of the greatest Ṣūfī teachers, al-Ghazālī (d. 1111), summarizes Sufism's role in the title of his magnum opus: Iḥyāʿ ʿulūm al-dīn (giving life to the sciences of the religion)."
    http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/print/opr/t236/e0759

    Imam al-Ghazali (ra) (and men like Ibn Ata-Illah [ra], Shah Wali-ullah [ra], etc.) is about as Orthodox as you get - he is called the "Proof of Islam".

    Peace.

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  22. @German_reader
    I'm unconvinced he's an atheist. Right-wingers often claim that Christians who promote mass immigration, especially of Muslims, are just selling out to secular leftism and can't genuinely believe in God, but I don't think that's true.
    As for hell, I suppose the pope realizes on some level that the traditional Catholic teaching on it isn't attractive to most people nowadays if they think too deeply about it. After all, according to the traditional logic you don't just go there if you sin against your fellow man. You go there in any case if you don't belong to the Catholic church and believe in Christ (or maybe even just if you don't follow the church's rules...my late mother was told as a child in the 1950s that people who didn't go to church regularly, would go to hell...). Whereas even people who have committed the most horrible crimes could be saved through repentance and belief in Christ (e.g. Rudolf Höß). That clashes with fundamental notions of justice for many people.
    Obviously it's a grave problem for an institution like the Catholic church though if they just turn around and say "Hey, we may have been kind of wrong for the last 2000 years on that issue!", it just reeks of opportunism.

    I would accept an atheist shitlord as Pope (I’m not quite religious myself), but if that’s impossible, then the next best thing would be a Catholic opponent of Islamization. Or at least have a traditional catholic, who would at least get into conflict with the liberals on dogmatic issues like gay marriage or something similar.

    Bergoglio is the worst possible pope from my perspective, he actively supports Islamization while being unopposed to the other aspects of the liberal program.

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    Bergoglio is the worst possible pope from my perspective, he actively supports Islamization while being unopposed to the other aspects of the liberal program.
     
    I completely agree, the worst of all worlds. The Catholic church in large parts of Western Europe is in de facto alliance with the most radical leftist forces (in Germany they're even supporting Antifa sometimes).
    But as non-believers (I assume you aren't one either) there's not much we can do about it.
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    I would accept an atheist shitlord as Pope (I’m not quite religious myself), but if that’s impossible, then the next best thing would be a Catholic opponent of Islamization. Or at least have a traditional catholic, who would at least get into conflict with the liberals on dogmatic issues like gay marriage or something similar.

    Bergoglio is the worst possible pope from my perspective, he actively supports Islamization while being unopposed to the other aspects of the liberal program.

    Bergoglio is the worst possible pope from my perspective, he actively supports Islamization while being unopposed to the other aspects of the liberal program.

    I completely agree, the worst of all worlds. The Catholic church in large parts of Western Europe is in de facto alliance with the most radical leftist forces (in Germany they’re even supporting Antifa sometimes).
    But as non-believers (I assume you aren’t one either) there’s not much we can do about it.

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    I'm curious what the left has in its long term plans for all the Moslems they're importing. In the short term it's to get votes for left leaning parties, we all know that. But longer term, they must know that Islam is incompatible with its (current) core beliefs - feminism, pro homosexual, anti family, anti male, pro god knows what sexual activity will become the next big thing for them. As well, the left tolerates no ideological competition so do they think they will ultimately tame and then conquer Islam as they tried in the Central Asian republics of the Soviet Union?

    A fight to the death no doubt - mullahs vs. lesbians who identify as small furry animals. I hope I'm around to see it.
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  24. Talha says:
    @Issac
    Taken together those comprise less than 10% of the world's muslim population and their birth rates are low relative to Sunni. If the Christian religion is displaced by Islam it will be of the latter variety.

    I don’t know why people have this notion that Sufis are not Sunnis (or plain ordinary Muslims) – there are plenty of Sufis that are Orthodox Sunnis – I am one, practically everyone I know is one. My Dad was just a regular guy in Pakistan and he had a Sufi teacher.

    This article is a good start:
    “Given the difficulty of defining Sufism, it is not easy to discern which Muslims have been Ṣūfīs. Being a Ṣūfī has nothing to do with the Sunnī-Shīʿī split, nor with the schools of jurisprudence. It has no special connection with geography, though it has played a greater role in some locations than in others. There is no necessary correlation with family, and it is common to find individuals who profess a Ṣūfī affiliation despite the hostility of family members, or people who have been born into a family of Ṣūfīs and consider it an unacceptable form of Islam. Men and, less commonly, women, become Ṣūfīs; even children participate in Ṣūfī ritual activities, though they are seldom initiated formally before puberty. Sufism has nothing to do with social class, though some Ṣūfī organizations may be more or less class-specific. It is closely associated with popular religion, but it has also produced the most elite expressions of Islamic teachings. It is often seen as opposed to the state-supported jurists, yet jurists have always been counted among its devotees, and Sufism has frequently been supported by the state along with jurisprudence…”
    “One of the greatest Ṣūfī teachers, al-Ghazālī (d. 1111), summarizes Sufism’s role in the title of his magnum opus: Iḥyāʿ ʿulūm al-dīn (giving life to the sciences of the religion).”

    http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/print/opr/t236/e0759

    Imam al-Ghazali (ra) (and men like Ibn Ata-Illah [ra], Shah Wali-ullah [ra], etc.) is about as Orthodox as you get – he is called the “Proof of Islam”.

    Peace.

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    there are plenty of Sufis that are Orthodox Sunnis – I am one, practically everyone I know is one.
     
    You are a fake Sufi.

    True Sufis strive to realize their Oneness in God. You on the other hand, like all Orthodox Muslims, boast that you and your ilk will be fornicating forever with six dozen virgins as promised by the Prophet of Islam.

    To the True Believers in the Islam of Mohammad Sufism is a heresy, a forbidden innovation. So no sexual intercourse with the houris of heaven for sufis, instead the Just and Merciful Allah will torture them for all eternity in the pit of Hell.

    Meanwhile in this life:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Sehwan_suicide_bombing

    On 16 February 2017, a suicide bombing took place inside the Shrine of Lal Shahbaz Qalandar in Sehwan, Sindh, Pakistan, where pilgrims were performing a Sufi ritual after the evening prayers.[2][10][11] At least 90 people were killed and over 300 injured......The suicide bomber struck the pilgrims during a dhamaal (ritual dance) after the evening prayers.[2] The perpetrator blew himself up inside the shrine hall under the dome, near its Golden Gate......The bomber, believed to be an Afghan national, had bypassed the security check at the shrine.[19]......At least 21 children were believed to be among the dead.


    http://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/2121585/extremists-attacked-mosque-egypt-because-they-believe-sufi-muslim

    On Friday, at least 305 Egyptians were killed by terrorists who detonated a bomb in a crowded mosque, then sprayed frantic worshippers with gunfire as they fled........to understand why this mosque was targeted, it’s important to understand how Sunni extremists see Sufism.....More and more, extremists are willing to target Sufi mosques......Though they shun politics and worldly matters, Sufis are constantly under attack by the ultra-conservative Salafis who consider them heretics and condemn their “innovations” or rituals.
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  25. What did Christ die on the cross to save us from?

    In Christian thinking the death on the cross indicates that there is no higher virtue than self sacrifice for one’s fellow humans.

    Another line of thinking sees the eating of communion bread (representing the body) and wine (representing blood) as a ceremonial way of sharing in the memory of the ultimate sacrifice and thus cleansing the soul. Of course, the fact that bread and wine are Mediterranean area agriculture products and that wine makes people feel good is not irrelevant to worshiping a God whose is praised when those products produce abundant harvests.

    The facts that Thank God It’s Friday is the name of a chain of US restaurants shows how Christianity inserts itself into US culture by a process of syncretism.

    Happy Easter, everyone.

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  26. Talha says:
    @Stonehands
    The OT most certainly speaks of God's eternal wrath and judgement.

    BTW... Matt, Mark, Luke and John weren't "Catholics" when they gave a more revealing revelation of Hell.

    As Christians we are aware of Satan's greatest deception:

    That he doesn't exist.



    Happy Resurrection Sunday!

    Satan’s greatest deception: That he doesn’t exist.

    Bingo ! And he’s laughing all the way to the bank to cash that blank check. Welcome to the verge…

    Peace.

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  27. Is not the judging of right and wrong part of the job description?

    There is an appeals process which is not final until The Last Judgment.

    On the third day he rose again;
    He ascended into heaven,
    And sitteth at the right hand of the Father,
    And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead.

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    Eh, you got there first.
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  28. anarchyst says:
    @Dan Hayes
    You know that the Bergoglio papacy has hit its current absolute nadir when Pat Buchanan, a devoted practicing Catholic, entitles his essay "Does the Pope Believe in Hell?".

    Since Bergoglio has stated that his personal project is "to mess things up" there is still plenty of room for even greater disimprovements!

    The concept that “bad” souls are simply extinguished comes right out of judaism, which is one of the jews’ core beliefs.
    This “pope” seems to be more jew than anything else.

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    Then why did Jesus talk about the rich man begging Lazarus to ease his torments by bringing him water? Obviously, some sects believed in the concept of an afterlife, including a punitive one for those who deserved it, although the Sadducees didn't believe in it.
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  29. anarchyst says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Schismatic Catholics affiliated with the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre are looking better and better.

    Please look up SSPX (Society of St. Pius X). You will be pleasantly surprised, as this Catholic sect follows pre-Vatican II doctrine.

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    I attended a service of that church in Toulouse. The church was full, although it was a small one right on the edge of a Muslim area of the city. But Catholic Churches of the SSPX are few and far between in the United States.

    The Orthodox Church is an alternative, but I find the rituals confusing and hard to follow.

    The Protestant church, in which I was raised, is basically hopeless. The mainstream denominations are, if anything, worse than the Roman Catholics under the present Pope, the evangelical sects are theology-lite, and they all tend to identify American interests as the same as Israels. Some of the members of the church in which I was raised were so Zionest they made Menachem Begin look like a moderate.
    , @attilathehen
    The SSPX has a huge mission in Africa. If you accept black/Asian priests-popes, you're the problem.
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  30. Rurik says:

    isn’t the ninth circle of Dante’s Hell reserved for those who betray?

    and wasn’t Judas the ultimate betrayer, because he betrayed Christ Himself?

    when you consider that the pope is the spiritual leader of much of Christendom, and that other than advocating for mainstreaming sodomy, the current pope’s obsession is the destruction of Christendom, isn’t this POS the ultimate betrayer?

    Doesn’t he belong sitting next to Judas in the depths?

    I’m waiting for this pope to announce that man/boy sex isn’t a sin.

    He’s betrayed God, he’s betrayed Christendom and its people, he’s betrayed all those raped little boys and their families, he’s betrayed the Catholic Church and its people, and now he’s praying to Satan that there isn’t really a hell, because if there is…

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  31. The Scalpel says: • Website

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but who cares? Let me let you in on a little secret Rainman, it is all mythology. How many angels can fit on the head of a pin?

    Trying to discern morality from mythology is like trying to get milk from silicone breasts. Morality derives from one’s conscience and one’s “personal relationship with God”. Picking a religion and an interpreter of said religion is basically a game of “who you gonna believe”. Pick your dictator. They are all human and failable. Their philosophy and writing is human and failable.

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    DANCE on the head of a pin. An infinite number of non-extended beings can FIT on the head of a pin, but DANCE?

    Not the swing!
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  32. Scalfari admitted he does not take notes or record interviews. He uses his memory and puts things in his own words.

    In other words, he makes up quotes.

    The non-existence of Hell would be rather surprising information to people who regularly say, “He descended into Hell; on the third day, He rose again from the dead.”

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  33. @Jonathan Mason

    Is not the judging of right and wrong part of the job description?
     
    There is an appeals process which is not final until The Last Judgment.

    On the third day he rose again;
    He ascended into heaven,
    And sitteth at the right hand of the Father,
    And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead.

    Eh, you got there first.

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  34. @anarchyst
    The concept that "bad" souls are simply extinguished comes right out of judaism, which is one of the jews' core beliefs.
    This "pope" seems to be more jew than anything else.

    Then why did Jesus talk about the rich man begging Lazarus to ease his torments by bringing him water? Obviously, some sects believed in the concept of an afterlife, including a punitive one for those who deserved it, although the Sadducees didn’t believe in it.

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    Jesus was part of the Essene sect, which espoused many Christian-like principles, unlike the Pharisees, who were stuck on their Talmud.
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  35. @ken
    Meh. We've survived worse than him.

    Borgia Popes broke the rules, but they didn’t try to CHANGE the rules.

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  36. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Pope Tetzel's defying the scoffers:
    For the Foreskin of Christ, he'd take offers.
    The name of Rome's game
    Is forever the same:
    Fill the pews, fill their bellies and coffers.

    Catherine of Siena got the foreskin. It was her betrothal ring.

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  37. @Anon
    How was Judas evil when he carried out the will of God?

    If not for his 'betrayal', there would be no Christianity.

    Besides, he killed himself which shows he felt remorse.

    Killing himself meant he refused to humble himself before God and beg forgiveness. It was a form of Spiritual Pride. Presumption of God’s Mercy can mean that you sin, assuming God has to forgive you, but it can also mean that you assume He cannot forgive you and are too proud to ask.

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  38. Brabantian says: • Website

    The idea of an ‘eternal hell’ torture chamber is a particularly disgusting idea only found in the Jewish-based ‘Abrahamic’ religions

    From an Asian spiritual point of view, it is an absolutely shocking barbarism … along with other shocking barbarisms of the Abrahamic ‘desert bloc’ religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam

    Such as the ‘God-ordered’ mutilation of the genitals of baby boy children ‘circumcision’ – how sick and psychopathic can a religion get? – ‘God-ordered’ genocides of all men, women and children and even animals of opposing tribes – ‘God-ordered’ slavery – ‘God-ordered’ sacrifices of animals – ‘God-ordered’ ‘my way is the only way’ religious fanaticism, destroying other cultures

    The ‘God’ of the Bible, Talmud and Qur’an seems a satanic demon posing as ‘God’ … As Alexandrian physician and religious scholar Dr Ashraf Ezzat has suggested, the Abrahamic religions are all creations of the essentially similar desert tribals of the Levant and Arabia, people who aggressive, extremist and not of high culture … who sadly have infected half the world with their cruel notions

    In the Asian spiritual world – and one of the beauties of the reincarnation idea – is the notion that we all make it back to full union with divinity in the end, although some of us, the more ‘evil’ amongst us, have a longer road

    If you read the Bhagavad-Gita or the Dao De Ching, it is amazing how much less barbaric they are than the Talmud, Bible, or Qur’an … Here, Hinduism’s most beloved work, the Bhagavad-Gita, its story told in a fine 10-minute video drama … God explains to a warrior (an alt-right type?) what life is all about … It is an illusion that you can either truly kill, or be killed … so fear not

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  39. @anarchyst
    Please look up SSPX (Society of St. Pius X). You will be pleasantly surprised, as this Catholic sect follows pre-Vatican II doctrine.

    I attended a service of that church in Toulouse. The church was full, although it was a small one right on the edge of a Muslim area of the city. But Catholic Churches of the SSPX are few and far between in the United States.

    The Orthodox Church is an alternative, but I find the rituals confusing and hard to follow.

    The Protestant church, in which I was raised, is basically hopeless. The mainstream denominations are, if anything, worse than the Roman Catholics under the present Pope, the evangelical sects are theology-lite, and they all tend to identify American interests as the same as Israels. Some of the members of the church in which I was raised were so Zionest they made Menachem Begin look like a moderate.

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  40. Lin says:

    As a protestant Christian of alternative conviction(I stopped going to church many years ago), I would say Pat Buchanan is peddling a version of fundamentalism even the more enlightened evangelists would called narrow and ignorant:
    —The notion of hell came from ancient myths related to volcanic activities and burning of underground coal seams which could last for centuries. Where is heaven BTW? Somewhere up in the sky might be? Why not leave the matter to physicists ?
    Many evangelists nowadays would tell their flock that a man/woman who has peace with God, peace with fellow men, forgiveness, happiness, good sense of charity is already in heaven (on Earth). A man who is devoid of such attributes is literally in Hell because God disown him/her.
    ………….
    Many of what Pat Buchanan considers ‘Christians’ actually are worshippers of Gog or Mammon.
    …………..
    Most of those Chinese ‘underground Christians’ are actually pawns of Gog inspired CIA/’NGOs’. Many of them are charlatan perform phoney healing the sick
    …………
    All numbers are finite, but infinity is the core of mathematical analysis. The Universe is infinite, humans are just insignificant entities. So there MUST be a GOD. All attempt to present GOD in human terms border on blasphemy.
    GOD is omnipotent and has no need for a SON as in human condition(I decline the notion Jesus was an E.T. alien-human hybrid). JESUS as the SON of GOD is a metaphor as we prostrate in front of the greatest moral teacher that ever walked on Earth.

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  41. anarchyst says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    Then why did Jesus talk about the rich man begging Lazarus to ease his torments by bringing him water? Obviously, some sects believed in the concept of an afterlife, including a punitive one for those who deserved it, although the Sadducees didn't believe in it.

    Jesus was part of the Essene sect, which espoused many Christian-like principles, unlike the Pharisees, who were stuck on their Talmud.

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    2 Maccabees 7 contains many references to resurrection, in the speeches of the mother and seven sons who choose death rather than engaging in pagan rituals. 2 Maccabees 12 encourages praying for the dead (why bother, if they're just going to stay dead?). I'm not sure if the punishments predicted for Antiochus involve earthly sufferings, eternal hellfire, or both, but it's very clear that they believed all would be held to account for their actions. So the Pharisees may have believed in heaven but no hell, the Sadducees may have believed in neither, but there is significant evidence that many people in the OT believed in some form of reward or punishment after death.

    And of course, there's Ezekiel and the Dry Bones.
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  42. Patrick Buchanan: the last goddamned place where I wanna see pronouncements of twisted, ass-backwards theology is on Unz, written by a doddering old fool who regards himself as sitting on the right hand of God.

    Pathetic. Sickening. Puerile. Whiny. Disgusting.

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  43. @Bill

    The capitulation is necessary for the Catholic Church in China to survive and prosper, argues the Vatican. But what kind of church will it become, asks retired Archbishop Joseph Zen Ze-kiun of Hong Kong.
     
    Who would you rather have governing the Church in China: Jorge Bergoglio or Xi Jinping?

    Who would you rather have governing the Church in China: Jorge Bergoglio or Xi Jinping?

    The difficulties of the Roman Catholic Church in China have many historical parallels. There was always conflict between the Church’s assertion of its independence and the claims of the secular power. Thomas à Becket was murdered as a result of his resistance to the Constitutions of Clarendon, by which Henry II gave common-law courts original jurisdiction over the acts of “criminous clerks.” Henry’s son John later came into conflict with the Church over his preferred candidate for the archbishopric of Canterbury, and ended up being excommunicated. The mediaeval conflict between Guelph and Ghibelline arose between supporters of the papacy and those of the Holy Roman Empire.

    The Church resolved such disagreements in other cases by means of concordats. A typical subject of concordats dealt with the right of presentation to bishoprics. Thus, for example, the Concordat of Bologna of 1516 gave the kings of France the right to choose archbishops, bishops, abbots, and priors within his kingdom. A similar concordat was made between Francoist Spain and the Church as recently as 1953.

    Normally the Church made such concordats with powers that were at least nominally Catholic, in the case of France leading to the development of Gallicanism. A theory called Febronianism developed in Germany that went beyond Gallicanism and challenged the monarchical nature of the papacy. Yet this, too, was a phenomenon internal to Catholicism.

    The distinction in the case of China is that the right of presentation to bishoprics is apparently going to be vested in a government that is not only not Catholic, but not even Christian. I cannot see this ending well for the Church.

    And what should we call this government-controlled church? May I suggest “Garrican” or “Feblonian”?

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    Agree completely. I was mostly having fun. Bergoglio won't always be in Peter's chair, and Xi won't always be Emperor.
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  44. @German_reader

    Bergoglio is the worst possible pope from my perspective, he actively supports Islamization while being unopposed to the other aspects of the liberal program.
     
    I completely agree, the worst of all worlds. The Catholic church in large parts of Western Europe is in de facto alliance with the most radical leftist forces (in Germany they're even supporting Antifa sometimes).
    But as non-believers (I assume you aren't one either) there's not much we can do about it.

    I’m curious what the left has in its long term plans for all the Moslems they’re importing. In the short term it’s to get votes for left leaning parties, we all know that. But longer term, they must know that Islam is incompatible with its (current) core beliefs – feminism, pro homosexual, anti family, anti male, pro god knows what sexual activity will become the next big thing for them. As well, the left tolerates no ideological competition so do they think they will ultimately tame and then conquer Islam as they tried in the Central Asian republics of the Soviet Union?

    A fight to the death no doubt – mullahs vs. lesbians who identify as small furry animals. I hope I’m around to see it.

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    But longer term, they must know that Islam is incompatible with its (current) core beliefs
     
    No, they don't know that, because they're stupid and uninformed. They don't take Islam seriously, all that matters for them is their fantasy in which they're valiant fighters against "Nazis", "fascists" and "racists".
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Look what has happened in the UK. That is what the Lefties brought upon themselves, and also upon their unfortunate countrymen--and upon their still more unfortunate countrywomen--and upon their most unfortunate country's children.
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  45. Pope Che is a Jesuit and a follower of Liberation Theology ( the non-atheistic branch of Marxism) and a firm promoter of Vatican II. Why would anyone be surprized by his “opinions” ?

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  46. @Johnny Smoggins
    I'm curious what the left has in its long term plans for all the Moslems they're importing. In the short term it's to get votes for left leaning parties, we all know that. But longer term, they must know that Islam is incompatible with its (current) core beliefs - feminism, pro homosexual, anti family, anti male, pro god knows what sexual activity will become the next big thing for them. As well, the left tolerates no ideological competition so do they think they will ultimately tame and then conquer Islam as they tried in the Central Asian republics of the Soviet Union?

    A fight to the death no doubt - mullahs vs. lesbians who identify as small furry animals. I hope I'm around to see it.

    But longer term, they must know that Islam is incompatible with its (current) core beliefs

    No, they don’t know that, because they’re stupid and uninformed. They don’t take Islam seriously, all that matters for them is their fantasy in which they’re valiant fighters against “Nazis”, “fascists” and “racists”.

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    No, they don’t know that, because they’re stupid and uninformed. They don’t take Islam seriously, all that matters for them is their fantasy in which they’re valiant fighters against “Nazis”, “fascists” and “racists”.
     
    Yep.
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  47. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    Hey Pat, should religious dogma be carved in stone forever? Christianity would never have evolved without overthrowing some of the earler dogma.

    As for the issues of atonement and hell, it sounds like the Pope has been reading the Urantia Book:

    188:4.8 (2017.3) When once you grasp the idea of God as a true and loving Father, the only concept which Jesus ever taught, you must forthwith, in all consistency, utterly abandon all those primitive notions about God as an offended monarch, a stern and all-powerful ruler whose chief delight is to detect his subjects in wrongdoing and to see that they are adequately punished, unless some being almost equal to himself should volunteer to suffer for them, to die as a substitute and in their stead. The whole idea of ransom and atonement is incompatible with the concept of God as it was taught and exemplified by Jesus of Nazareth. The infinite love of God is not secondary to anything in the divine nature.

    188:4.9 (2017.4) All this concept of atonement and sacrificial salvation is rooted and grounded in selfishness. Jesus taught that service to one’s fellows is the highest concept of the brotherhood of spirit believers. Salvation should be taken for granted by those who believe in the fatherhood of God. The believer’s chief concern should not be the selfish desire for personal salvation but rather the unselfish urge to love and, therefore, serve one’s fellows even as Jesus loved and served mortal men.

    188:4.10 (2017.5) Neither do genuine believers trouble themselves so much about the future punishment of sin. The real believer is only concerned about present separation from God. True, wise fathers may chasten their sons, but they do all this in love and for corrective purposes. They do not punish in anger, neither do they chastise in retribution.

    188:4.11 (2017.6) Even if God were the stern and legal monarch of a universe in which justice ruled supreme, he certainly would not be satisfied with the childish scheme of substituting an innocent sufferer for a guilty offender.

    2:3.2 (36.7) How futile to make puerile appeals to such a God to modify his changeless decrees so that we can avoid the just consequences of the operation of his wise natural laws and righteous spiritual mandates! “Be not deceived; God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man sows that shall he also reap.” True, even in the justice of reaping the harvest of wrongdoing, this divine justice is always tempered with mercy. Infinite wisdom is the eternal arbiter which determines the proportions of justice and mercy which shall be meted out in any given circumstance. The greatest punishment (in reality an inevitable consequence) for wrongdoing and deliberate rebellion against the government of God is loss of existence as an individual subject of that government. The final result of wholehearted sin is annihilation. In the last analysis, such sin-identified individuals have destroyed themselves by becoming wholly unreal through their embrace of iniquity. The factual disappearance of such a creature is, however, always delayed until the ordained order of justice current in that universe has been fully complied with.

    2:3.3 (37.1) Cessation of existence is usually decreed at the dispensational or epochal adjudication of the realm or realms. On a world such as Urantia it comes at the end of a planetary dispensation. Cessation of existence can be decreed at such times by co-ordinate action of all tribunals of jurisdiction, extending from the planetary council up through the courts of the Creator Son to the judgment tribunals of the Ancients of Days. The mandate of dissolution originates in the higher courts of the superuniverse following an unbroken confirmation of the indictment originating on the sphere of the wrongdoer’s residence; and then, when sentence of extinction has been confirmed on high, the execution is by the direct act of those judges residential on, and operating from, the headquarters of the superuniverse.

    2:3.4 (37.2) When this sentence is finally confirmed, the sin-identified being instantly becomes as though he had not been. There is no resurrection from such a fate; it is everlasting and eternal. The living energy factors of identity are resolved by the transformations of time and the metamorphoses of space into the cosmic potentials whence they once emerged. As for the personality of the iniquitous one, it is deprived of a continuing life vehicle by the creature’s failure to make those choices and final decisions which would have assured eternal life. When the continued embrace of sin by the associated mind culminates in complete self-identification with iniquity, then upon the cessation of life, upon cosmic dissolution, such an isolated personality is absorbed into the oversoul of creation, becoming a part of the evolving experience of the Supreme Being. Never again does it appear as a personality; its identity becomes as though it had never been. In the case of an Adjuster-indwelt personality, the experiential spirit values survive in the reality of the continuing Adjuster.
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  48. Vinteuil says:

    Who still believes in Hell?

    I mean, seriously. Eternal torment, ordained by God, for failing to live up to moral standards that nobody knew about ahead of time?

    It’s absurd.

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    God has a sliding scale.
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  49. Jake says:

    Pope Francis is a Peronist, so he is going to be an erratic Leftist with no fiscal sense and no ability to grasp the possibility that any of his notions could turn out badly.

    He has most faith in his own good intentions, and he will not see that they lead to Hell until he enters.

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  50. @Johnny Smoggins
    I'm curious what the left has in its long term plans for all the Moslems they're importing. In the short term it's to get votes for left leaning parties, we all know that. But longer term, they must know that Islam is incompatible with its (current) core beliefs - feminism, pro homosexual, anti family, anti male, pro god knows what sexual activity will become the next big thing for them. As well, the left tolerates no ideological competition so do they think they will ultimately tame and then conquer Islam as they tried in the Central Asian republics of the Soviet Union?

    A fight to the death no doubt - mullahs vs. lesbians who identify as small furry animals. I hope I'm around to see it.

    Look what has happened in the UK. That is what the Lefties brought upon themselves, and also upon their unfortunate countrymen–and upon their still more unfortunate countrywomen–and upon their most unfortunate country’s children.

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  51. Bliss says:
    @Talha
    I don't know why people have this notion that Sufis are not Sunnis (or plain ordinary Muslims) - there are plenty of Sufis that are Orthodox Sunnis - I am one, practically everyone I know is one. My Dad was just a regular guy in Pakistan and he had a Sufi teacher.

    This article is a good start:
    "Given the difficulty of defining Sufism, it is not easy to discern which Muslims have been Ṣūfīs. Being a Ṣūfī has nothing to do with the Sunnī-Shīʿī split, nor with the schools of jurisprudence. It has no special connection with geography, though it has played a greater role in some locations than in others. There is no necessary correlation with family, and it is common to find individuals who profess a Ṣūfī affiliation despite the hostility of family members, or people who have been born into a family of Ṣūfīs and consider it an unacceptable form of Islam. Men and, less commonly, women, become Ṣūfīs; even children participate in Ṣūfī ritual activities, though they are seldom initiated formally before puberty. Sufism has nothing to do with social class, though some Ṣūfī organizations may be more or less class-specific. It is closely associated with popular religion, but it has also produced the most elite expressions of Islamic teachings. It is often seen as opposed to the state-supported jurists, yet jurists have always been counted among its devotees, and Sufism has frequently been supported by the state along with jurisprudence..."
    "One of the greatest Ṣūfī teachers, al-Ghazālī (d. 1111), summarizes Sufism's role in the title of his magnum opus: Iḥyāʿ ʿulūm al-dīn (giving life to the sciences of the religion)."
    http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/print/opr/t236/e0759

    Imam al-Ghazali (ra) (and men like Ibn Ata-Illah [ra], Shah Wali-ullah [ra], etc.) is about as Orthodox as you get - he is called the "Proof of Islam".

    Peace.

    there are plenty of Sufis that are Orthodox Sunnis – I am one, practically everyone I know is one.

    You are a fake Sufi.

    True Sufis strive to realize their Oneness in God. You on the other hand, like all Orthodox Muslims, boast that you and your ilk will be fornicating forever with six dozen virgins as promised by the Prophet of Islam.

    To the True Believers in the Islam of Mohammad Sufism is a heresy, a forbidden innovation. So no sexual intercourse with the houris of heaven for sufis, instead the Just and Merciful Allah will torture them for all eternity in the pit of Hell.

    Meanwhile in this life:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Sehwan_suicide_bombing

    On 16 February 2017, a suicide bombing took place inside the Shrine of Lal Shahbaz Qalandar in Sehwan, Sindh, Pakistan, where pilgrims were performing a Sufi ritual after the evening prayers.[2][10][11] At least 90 people were killed and over 300 injured……The suicide bomber struck the pilgrims during a dhamaal (ritual dance) after the evening prayers.[2] The perpetrator blew himself up inside the shrine hall under the dome, near its Golden Gate……The bomber, believed to be an Afghan national, had bypassed the security check at the shrine.[19]……At least 21 children were believed to be among the dead.

    http://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/2121585/extremists-attacked-mosque-egypt-because-they-believe-sufi-muslim

    On Friday, at least 305 Egyptians were killed by terrorists who detonated a bomb in a crowded mosque, then sprayed frantic worshippers with gunfire as they fled……..to understand why this mosque was targeted, it’s important to understand how Sunni extremists see Sufism…..More and more, extremists are willing to target Sufi mosques……Though they shun politics and worldly matters, Sufis are constantly under attack by the ultra-conservative Salafis who consider them heretics and condemn their “innovations” or rituals.

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    You are a fake Sufi.
     
    Says an anonymous guy on the internet that couldn’t read his own name in Arabic or Farsi to save his own life.

    “Thanks for your opinion”, say I.

    As I pointed out in my source, “Sufi” is a fairly malleable term so if your definition of it is that only non-Muslims or heretics can be Sufis, well good for you I say! It’s the 21st century; people are declaring their own gender - who am I to get in your way - you be you. Remember, “Sufi” is a social construct!


    Sufis are constantly under attack by the ultra-conservative Salafis
     
    Yup, pretty much.

    Aaaand from your own source:
    “Sufi believers can be Sunni or Shiite, though the majority are Sunni. They see Sufism less as a sect than as a way of being, a set of beliefs and practices that lead followers closer to God.”

    Thanks for the reference!

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  52. Begemot says:
    @Anon
    How was Judas evil when he carried out the will of God?

    If not for his 'betrayal', there would be no Christianity.

    Besides, he killed himself which shows he felt remorse.

    Without Judas maybe it would have been done by ‘Immaculate Crucifixion’?

    I agree with your point. Judas was an instrument of God’s will to achieve a Divine goal. To condemn him is most unjust. So far none of your respondents have bothered to address your point. Which is not at all surprising.

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    If one's reasoning abilities are so poor that they literally believe that fable, they would not have the ability to reason through the situation as you have done. for them it is Judas ratted on Jesus = Judas bad.
    , @bjondo
    And you did all this on your own.
    And I responded on my own.
    And Jesus came against the evil in Palestine. Then as now the center of evil in the world. HQ to Satan and his children.
    Chose Satan or choose God.
    Judas not needed.
    As for the video, no sound, no time.

    Thanks, anyway

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  53. H. S. says:

    The Pope denounced the NATO, i.e. the merchants of death. The BEAST.

    Pope Francis: ‘Arms manufacturers are merchants of death’

    The Pope also denounces those responsible for human trafficking and slave labour.

    ”The Pope told the crowds gathered in St Peter’s Square that people producing weapons of war are “merchants of death”.

    “One day everything comes to an end and they will be held accountable to God,” he said.”

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2014/06/11/pope-francis-arms-manufacturers-are-merchants-of-death/

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    Do Miss Bergoglio's bodyguards and Vatican City police carry guns? If so, I'm sure he will be disarming them aaaaaany day now.
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  54. Bliss says:

    Pat Buchanan:

    If there is no hell…….What did Christ die on the cross to save us from?

    Amazing how adamantly some seemingly intelligent humans cling to dogmas that to free thinkers are so obviously immoral, irrational and unjust.

    Hey Pat:

    1. How the hell does the blood of an innocent scapegoat atone for your sins? That primitive Stone Age superstition actually makes sense to you?

    2. How the hell can an Omnipotent and Omniscient God get frustrated and angry? You can’t see the illogic in that?

    3. How the hell did you manage to convince yourself that not belonging to the cult you were born into is a sin that deserves eternal torture in Hell? You can’t see the insane injustice and cruel immorality in that dogma?

    If Jesus was a blood sacrifice to appease an angry God and save you from eternal Hell then why did he preach at all? What was the point? Either Jesus was a Teacher or he was an atoning sacrifice. He couldn’t be both.

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    Either Jesus was a Teacher or he was an atoning sacrifice. He couldn’t be both.
     
    Why not? He's a pretty talented guy.
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  55. Dube says:
    @The Scalpel
    Not to put too fine a point on it, but who cares? Let me let you in on a little secret Rainman, it is all mythology. How many angels can fit on the head of a pin?

    Trying to discern morality from mythology is like trying to get milk from silicone breasts. Morality derives from one's conscience and one's "personal relationship with God". Picking a religion and an interpreter of said religion is basically a game of "who you gonna believe". Pick your dictator. They are all human and failable. Their philosophy and writing is human and failable.

    DANCE on the head of a pin. An infinite number of non-extended beings can FIT on the head of a pin, but DANCE?

    Not the swing!

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  56. Dube says:

    It seems that this pontiff is a Luciferian. The video is currently blocked that presents his personal…chaplain? I missed the designation…chanting in a public ceremony, in the presence of this pontiff, that Jesus is the son of Loo-chee-fer. This chant is repeated, in Latin, unambiguously.

    So why not add that souls simply dissolve?

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  57. @anarchyst
    Jesus was part of the Essene sect, which espoused many Christian-like principles, unlike the Pharisees, who were stuck on their Talmud.

    2 Maccabees 7 contains many references to resurrection, in the speeches of the mother and seven sons who choose death rather than engaging in pagan rituals. 2 Maccabees 12 encourages praying for the dead (why bother, if they’re just going to stay dead?). I’m not sure if the punishments predicted for Antiochus involve earthly sufferings, eternal hellfire, or both, but it’s very clear that they believed all would be held to account for their actions. So the Pharisees may have believed in heaven but no hell, the Sadducees may have believed in neither, but there is significant evidence that many people in the OT believed in some form of reward or punishment after death.

    And of course, there’s Ezekiel and the Dry Bones.

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  58. @Bliss
    Pat Buchanan:

    If there is no hell.......What did Christ die on the cross to save us from?
     
    Amazing how adamantly some seemingly intelligent humans cling to dogmas that to free thinkers are so obviously immoral, irrational and unjust.

    Hey Pat:

    1. How the hell does the blood of an innocent scapegoat atone for your sins? That primitive Stone Age superstition actually makes sense to you?

    2. How the hell can an Omnipotent and Omniscient God get frustrated and angry? You can’t see the illogic in that?

    3. How the hell did you manage to convince yourself that not belonging to the cult you were born into is a sin that deserves eternal torture in Hell? You can’t see the insane injustice and cruel immorality in that dogma?


    If Jesus was a blood sacrifice to appease an angry God and save you from eternal Hell then why did he preach at all? What was the point? Either Jesus was a Teacher or he was an atoning sacrifice. He couldn’t be both.

    Either Jesus was a Teacher or he was an atoning sacrifice. He couldn’t be both.

    Why not? He’s a pretty talented guy.

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    Why not?
     
    Because according to the dogma you subscribe to there was one and only one way to avoid Hell: the atoning sacrifice. The sacrifice saves you, not the sermons. So, was Jesus misleading his followers by sermonizing so much?

    Jesus as Teacher cannot be reconciled with Jesus as Sacrifice.
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  59. @Vinteuil
    Who still believes in Hell?

    I mean, seriously. Eternal torment, ordained by God, for failing to live up to moral standards that nobody knew about ahead of time?

    It's absurd.

    God has a sliding scale.

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  60. nsa says:
    @Alan Newton
    The thoughts and comments of 'the pope', or any other self-professed title, have no more credibility or authority than that which is allowed by the hearer. The pope is correct in stating that there is no such thing as an eternal, physical hell. But not because 'the pope' has declared it so. The Hebrew language of the Old Testament is proof that there never was a concept of a permanent reality referred to as 'hell'; especially religious man's interpretation of that nightmare. Catholicism had to manufacture that lie. The 'pope' has less Spiritual commonality with God than does my unsophisticated, but incredibly loving and loyal dog. The dog never lies, and is incapable of deceit or malfeasance or avarice or sexual dishonesty. Not so with 'the pope', or any other man; regardless of his appointed credentials. Only Yashua (Jesus if you prefer) had the audacity, and the authority, to say "If you have seen me, you have seen The Father". Yashua did not, however, say the same of 'the pope', or the 'high priest'.

    Alan Newton, Longs, SC

    Fellow dog lover: take note that RC doctrine declares that St. Pat can easily slide into “heaven” even though he promoted the murder of 4.5 million Vietnamese by simply “repenting”…..whereas the very same RC doctrine has declared that your beloved canine pal lacks a soul and can never enter. Who is stupid enough to buy into this goofy stuff from a vile pedophile cult?

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  61. Talha says:
    @Bliss

    there are plenty of Sufis that are Orthodox Sunnis – I am one, practically everyone I know is one.
     
    You are a fake Sufi.

    True Sufis strive to realize their Oneness in God. You on the other hand, like all Orthodox Muslims, boast that you and your ilk will be fornicating forever with six dozen virgins as promised by the Prophet of Islam.

    To the True Believers in the Islam of Mohammad Sufism is a heresy, a forbidden innovation. So no sexual intercourse with the houris of heaven for sufis, instead the Just and Merciful Allah will torture them for all eternity in the pit of Hell.

    Meanwhile in this life:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Sehwan_suicide_bombing

    On 16 February 2017, a suicide bombing took place inside the Shrine of Lal Shahbaz Qalandar in Sehwan, Sindh, Pakistan, where pilgrims were performing a Sufi ritual after the evening prayers.[2][10][11] At least 90 people were killed and over 300 injured......The suicide bomber struck the pilgrims during a dhamaal (ritual dance) after the evening prayers.[2] The perpetrator blew himself up inside the shrine hall under the dome, near its Golden Gate......The bomber, believed to be an Afghan national, had bypassed the security check at the shrine.[19]......At least 21 children were believed to be among the dead.


    http://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/2121585/extremists-attacked-mosque-egypt-because-they-believe-sufi-muslim

    On Friday, at least 305 Egyptians were killed by terrorists who detonated a bomb in a crowded mosque, then sprayed frantic worshippers with gunfire as they fled........to understand why this mosque was targeted, it’s important to understand how Sunni extremists see Sufism.....More and more, extremists are willing to target Sufi mosques......Though they shun politics and worldly matters, Sufis are constantly under attack by the ultra-conservative Salafis who consider them heretics and condemn their “innovations” or rituals.

    You are a fake Sufi.

    Says an anonymous guy on the internet that couldn’t read his own name in Arabic or Farsi to save his own life.

    “Thanks for your opinion”, say I.

    As I pointed out in my source, “Sufi” is a fairly malleable term so if your definition of it is that only non-Muslims or heretics can be Sufis, well good for you I say! It’s the 21st century; people are declaring their own gender – who am I to get in your way – you be you. Remember, “Sufi” is a social construct!

    Sufis are constantly under attack by the ultra-conservative Salafis

    Yup, pretty much.

    Aaaand from your own source:
    “Sufi believers can be Sunni or Shiite, though the majority are Sunni. They see Sufism less as a sect than as a way of being, a set of beliefs and practices that lead followers closer to God.”

    Thanks for the reference!

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    so if your definition of it is that only non-Muslims or heretics can be Sufis, well good for you I say! It’s the 21st century; people are declaring their own gender
     
    Firstly, Sufis don’t have the liberty to declare themselves non-muslim. Because: “If someone leaves the religion, kill him” (Mohammad, the Last Prophet). The danger of being killed for heresy is bad enough.

    Secondly, the fact that you keep declaring yourself a Sufi, who follows a lineage, exposes you to the charge of heresy. For Mohammad did not teach Sufism, and he was the last messenger of Allah.

    though the majority are Sunni.
     
    The majority of Muslims self-identify as Sunni. The majority of persecutors and killers of sufis are also Sunni. So?

    Sunnis by definition cannot be Shi’as and vice versa. So the fact that there are sufis who are Sunni and sufis who are Shi’a shows that Sufism is fundamentally quite different from mainstream Islam.

    They see Sufism less as a sect than as a way of being, a set of beliefs and practices that lead followers closer to God.
     
    Right. And that clearly shows how very different they are from the true Muslims. Their beliefs and practices incite the followers of Mohammad, the Last Prophet.
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  62. @anarchyst
    Please look up SSPX (Society of St. Pius X). You will be pleasantly surprised, as this Catholic sect follows pre-Vatican II doctrine.

    The SSPX has a huge mission in Africa. If you accept black/Asian priests-popes, you’re the problem.

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    One can accept Catholicism while insisting on separation of the races. The two are not morally exclusive.
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  63. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    There is a division inside Catholicism that is widening, between a Third World and traditional church that are growing, and a mainstream Church in Europe and here that is taking on aspects of the Anglican Church of the 20th century.

    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

    It’s either traditionalism via Africanization or degeneration via quasi-secularization.

    But the, even the inclusion that led to third worldization is the product of white deracination.

    Btw, go with the Communist Party church in China. It is less likely to celebrate homomania

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    There's also that other obscure little option called Protestantism -- find some non-cucked conservative or traditional congregation. Or the Eastern Orthodox Churches.
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  64. “There is a division inside Catholicism that is widening, between a Third World and traditional church that are growing, and a mainstream Church in Europe and here that is taking on aspects of the Anglican Church of the 20th century.” Here is the problem. The Roman Catholic Church must only be for Caucasians/Europeans. Blacks/Asians must have their own churches, priests, popes. IQ also determines how good a Christian a person will be. Asians/blacks are second and third and cannot keep up with Caucasian Christians.

    Cuck pope Frannie stating that he does not believe in hell, shows his own evil. This cuck is possessed by a demon. For Holy Thursday services, he kissed the feet of Muslims. http://leozagami.com/2018/03/30/the-fall-of-the-vatican/ He will not issue a statement that Islam is a Christian heresy and present day Jews are not the chosen or in a covenant with God.

    He decries our fractured world. https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-ashamed-young-inherit-fractured-world-214526551.html Yet, he either does not or refuses to understand that the world is fractured from original sin or what I state is IQ.

    Pat is a cuck RCCer who is beginning to see the truth about the pope. However, he will not accept what needs to be done.

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  65. dfordoom says: • Website
    @German_reader
    I'm unconvinced he's an atheist. Right-wingers often claim that Christians who promote mass immigration, especially of Muslims, are just selling out to secular leftism and can't genuinely believe in God, but I don't think that's true.
    As for hell, I suppose the pope realizes on some level that the traditional Catholic teaching on it isn't attractive to most people nowadays if they think too deeply about it. After all, according to the traditional logic you don't just go there if you sin against your fellow man. You go there in any case if you don't belong to the Catholic church and believe in Christ (or maybe even just if you don't follow the church's rules...my late mother was told as a child in the 1950s that people who didn't go to church regularly, would go to hell...). Whereas even people who have committed the most horrible crimes could be saved through repentance and belief in Christ (e.g. Rudolf Höß). That clashes with fundamental notions of justice for many people.
    Obviously it's a grave problem for an institution like the Catholic church though if they just turn around and say "Hey, we may have been kind of wrong for the last 2000 years on that issue!", it just reeks of opportunism.

    I’m unconvinced he’s an atheist. Right-wingers often claim that Christians who promote mass immigration, especially of Muslims, are just selling out to secular leftism and can’t genuinely believe in God, but I don’t think that’s true.

    That’s the worrying thing. Secular leftism is bad but squishy woolly-minded believing Christians who think every problem can be solved by group hugs and emotional gushing are arguably even worse.

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  66. dfordoom says: • Website
    @German_reader

    But longer term, they must know that Islam is incompatible with its (current) core beliefs
     
    No, they don't know that, because they're stupid and uninformed. They don't take Islam seriously, all that matters for them is their fantasy in which they're valiant fighters against "Nazis", "fascists" and "racists".

    No, they don’t know that, because they’re stupid and uninformed. They don’t take Islam seriously, all that matters for them is their fantasy in which they’re valiant fighters against “Nazis”, “fascists” and “racists”.

    Yep.

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    Actually, they are banking (and I mean “bank” due to funds involved) on the idea that they can change us at the fundamental level:
    “The agenda of the progressive left foundations and nonprofit groups described herein is to refashion Islam as a secular identity group centered on ethnic ‘brownness’”
    https://muslimmatters.org/2017/09/20/how-the-progressive-left-wants-to-change-islam-in-america/

    Their assumption is that what worked with other religions will work with us - guess we’ll see...

    Peace.
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    @Begemot
    Without Judas maybe it would have been done by 'Immaculate Crucifixion'?

    I agree with your point. Judas was an instrument of God's will to achieve a Divine goal. To condemn him is most unjust. So far none of your respondents have bothered to address your point. Which is not at all surprising.

    If one’s reasoning abilities are so poor that they literally believe that fable, they would not have the ability to reason through the situation as you have done. for them it is Judas ratted on Jesus = Judas bad.

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  68. Bliss says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Either Jesus was a Teacher or he was an atoning sacrifice. He couldn’t be both.
     
    Why not? He's a pretty talented guy.

    Why not?

    Because according to the dogma you subscribe to there was one and only one way to avoid Hell: the atoning sacrifice. The sacrifice saves you, not the sermons. So, was Jesus misleading his followers by sermonizing so much?

    Jesus as Teacher cannot be reconciled with Jesus as Sacrifice.

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    Or maybe you accept His sacrifice by obeying Him. Because God wants obedience from us, not sacrifice. He'll do the sacrificing.
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  69. Bliss says:
    @Talha

    You are a fake Sufi.
     
    Says an anonymous guy on the internet that couldn’t read his own name in Arabic or Farsi to save his own life.

    “Thanks for your opinion”, say I.

    As I pointed out in my source, “Sufi” is a fairly malleable term so if your definition of it is that only non-Muslims or heretics can be Sufis, well good for you I say! It’s the 21st century; people are declaring their own gender - who am I to get in your way - you be you. Remember, “Sufi” is a social construct!


    Sufis are constantly under attack by the ultra-conservative Salafis
     
    Yup, pretty much.

    Aaaand from your own source:
    “Sufi believers can be Sunni or Shiite, though the majority are Sunni. They see Sufism less as a sect than as a way of being, a set of beliefs and practices that lead followers closer to God.”

    Thanks for the reference!

    so if your definition of it is that only non-Muslims or heretics can be Sufis, well good for you I say! It’s the 21st century; people are declaring their own gender

    Firstly, Sufis don’t have the liberty to declare themselves non-muslim. Because: “If someone leaves the religion, kill him” (Mohammad, the Last Prophet). The danger of being killed for heresy is bad enough.

    Secondly, the fact that you keep declaring yourself a Sufi, who follows a lineage, exposes you to the charge of heresy. For Mohammad did not teach Sufism, and he was the last messenger of Allah.

    though the majority are Sunni.

    The majority of Muslims self-identify as Sunni. The majority of persecutors and killers of sufis are also Sunni. So?

    Sunnis by definition cannot be Shi’as and vice versa. So the fact that there are sufis who are Sunni and sufis who are Shi’a shows that Sufism is fundamentally quite different from mainstream Islam.

    They see Sufism less as a sect than as a way of being, a set of beliefs and practices that lead followers closer to God.

    Right. And that clearly shows how very different they are from the true Muslims. Their beliefs and practices incite the followers of Mohammad, the Last Prophet.

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    Until Saudi oil money -funded wahhabism burst onto the scene, the vast majority of Sunnis were engaged in some form of sufism, or followed sufi-based practices (folk religion). The idea that any significant percentage of sufis regarded themselves as anything other than Muslims, is absurd. They were the "true Muslims", until that was co-opted by fanatics from the Nejd.
    , @Talha
    Hey man, like I said; I totally get why I’m not classified as a Sufi by your definition. Totally get it and support it - 100%.

    I just don’t understand why I should care.

    Now if you want to take on Oxford University and their article, it’s easy; submit a paper with your credentials to speak on the subject and a line by line refutation (preferably typed, I don’t think they accept crayon) of their errors and I’m sure they’ll correct it. Then you can link to the new article and show us all what’s up.
    , @RadicalCenter
    What DOESN'T incite the followers of the warlord prophet.
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  70. Does the Pope Believe in Hell?

    Well, he believes in Communism, and I don’t see a big damn difference. So yes, he does, and do you have any more questions, Mr. Buchanan?

    “Pope” Francis is the guy that single-handedly made the joke-line “Is the Pope Catholic?” obsolete.

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  71. Anon[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    so if your definition of it is that only non-Muslims or heretics can be Sufis, well good for you I say! It’s the 21st century; people are declaring their own gender
     
    Firstly, Sufis don’t have the liberty to declare themselves non-muslim. Because: “If someone leaves the religion, kill him” (Mohammad, the Last Prophet). The danger of being killed for heresy is bad enough.

    Secondly, the fact that you keep declaring yourself a Sufi, who follows a lineage, exposes you to the charge of heresy. For Mohammad did not teach Sufism, and he was the last messenger of Allah.

    though the majority are Sunni.
     
    The majority of Muslims self-identify as Sunni. The majority of persecutors and killers of sufis are also Sunni. So?

    Sunnis by definition cannot be Shi’as and vice versa. So the fact that there are sufis who are Sunni and sufis who are Shi’a shows that Sufism is fundamentally quite different from mainstream Islam.

    They see Sufism less as a sect than as a way of being, a set of beliefs and practices that lead followers closer to God.
     
    Right. And that clearly shows how very different they are from the true Muslims. Their beliefs and practices incite the followers of Mohammad, the Last Prophet.

    Until Saudi oil money -funded wahhabism burst onto the scene, the vast majority of Sunnis were engaged in some form of sufism, or followed sufi-based practices (folk religion). The idea that any significant percentage of sufis regarded themselves as anything other than Muslims, is absurd. They were the “true Muslims”, until that was co-opted by fanatics from the Nejd.

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    They were the “true Muslims”, until that was co-opted by fanatics from the Nejd.
     
    Sufis were the “true muslims” until 19th century Saudi Wahhabism? Are you nuts? Talk about absurd.

    Since when did whirling dervishes, tomb worshippers, mantra chanters et al become the “true muslims”? The true muslims, by definition, are those who strictly adhere to the beliefs and practices of Mohammad the Last Prophet, not those who follow the innovations of some Sufi Sheikhs.
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  72. Talha says:
    @Bliss

    so if your definition of it is that only non-Muslims or heretics can be Sufis, well good for you I say! It’s the 21st century; people are declaring their own gender
     
    Firstly, Sufis don’t have the liberty to declare themselves non-muslim. Because: “If someone leaves the religion, kill him” (Mohammad, the Last Prophet). The danger of being killed for heresy is bad enough.

    Secondly, the fact that you keep declaring yourself a Sufi, who follows a lineage, exposes you to the charge of heresy. For Mohammad did not teach Sufism, and he was the last messenger of Allah.

    though the majority are Sunni.
     
    The majority of Muslims self-identify as Sunni. The majority of persecutors and killers of sufis are also Sunni. So?

    Sunnis by definition cannot be Shi’as and vice versa. So the fact that there are sufis who are Sunni and sufis who are Shi’a shows that Sufism is fundamentally quite different from mainstream Islam.

    They see Sufism less as a sect than as a way of being, a set of beliefs and practices that lead followers closer to God.
     
    Right. And that clearly shows how very different they are from the true Muslims. Their beliefs and practices incite the followers of Mohammad, the Last Prophet.

    Hey man, like I said; I totally get why I’m not classified as a Sufi by your definition. Totally get it and support it – 100%.

    I just don’t understand why I should care.

    Now if you want to take on Oxford University and their article, it’s easy; submit a paper with your credentials to speak on the subject and a line by line refutation (preferably typed, I don’t think they accept crayon) of their errors and I’m sure they’ll correct it. Then you can link to the new article and show us all what’s up.

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  73. Years ago, one of my classes in college was taught by a diocesan exorcist, an elderly Hungarian priest who had many interesting stories to tell. His description of “hell” made sense to me at the time and I’ve “felt” that experience many times over the years. He said hell was the complete isolation of the soul, a cold (relating to what occurred during an exorcism when a room would invariably change temperature – the presence of evil) which accompanied that separation from all relationships. His description of Purgatory was compelling as well and connected, I suppose, with his notion of hell in that one had the ability to experience living loved ones after death, but could not interact, as though in a prison of some kind, entirely dependent on living relatives or friends to assist them out of that state. Hell was the complete absence of that possibility.

    I’ve felt many times, through my own choices, the disconnection from loved ones. Selfish decisions bring with them a kind of absence or hell on earth if you will. I think anyone with a working conscience will understand this idea. We are relational beings. We all suffer in one form or another during the life we’re given. We develop our ways of coping with various degrees of trauma experienced and the length and breadth of that is something only the bearer can comprehend. Trauma affects our relationships, causes and continues the cycle of abuse, neglect, suffering, guilt, etc., which are a part of the human condition. The Church is herself guilty of many forms of purposefully negative programming, and I’ve witnessed how children can be terrorized by the notion of evil and the horrifying consequences of eternal damnation on their lives. Perhaps it’s time to remove those individuals in power who continue to foster the suffering of others through forced economic hardships, political instability, mind control, media lies, deceptions which are dealt with here on this site on a regular basis.

    I’m of the opinion that anyone holding public office, who has authority over others and can effect policies which can create unnecessary suffering on other, be made to go through an objective psychological assessment. If the results in any way indicate an inability to empathize or lack compassion, then that should automatically deny the office.

    I’m not sure what Francis is trying to prove, but the traditional notion of hell, in my view, is antiquated for sure. There is enough suffering in this life. We don’t need to be thinking of eternal damnation as a way of ensuring people behave well.

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  74. @Bliss

    Why not?
     
    Because according to the dogma you subscribe to there was one and only one way to avoid Hell: the atoning sacrifice. The sacrifice saves you, not the sermons. So, was Jesus misleading his followers by sermonizing so much?

    Jesus as Teacher cannot be reconciled with Jesus as Sacrifice.

    Or maybe you accept His sacrifice by obeying Him. Because God wants obedience from us, not sacrifice. He’ll do the sacrificing.

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  75. Talha says:
    @dfordoom

    No, they don’t know that, because they’re stupid and uninformed. They don’t take Islam seriously, all that matters for them is their fantasy in which they’re valiant fighters against “Nazis”, “fascists” and “racists”.
     
    Yep.

    Actually, they are banking (and I mean “bank” due to funds involved) on the idea that they can change us at the fundamental level:
    “The agenda of the progressive left foundations and nonprofit groups described herein is to refashion Islam as a secular identity group centered on ethnic ‘brownness’”

    https://muslimmatters.org/2017/09/20/how-the-progressive-left-wants-to-change-islam-in-america/

    Their assumption is that what worked with other religions will work with us – guess we’ll see…

    Peace.

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    Their assumption is that what worked with other religions will work with us – guess we’ll see…
     
    What's going to be interesting is to watch their reactions when Islam doesn't meekly surrender the way Christianity did. There are suddenly going to be some very angry very frightened SJWs. They're not going to react well (they never do) and they're going to double down (they always do). But instead of surrendering they're likely to find that Islam doubles down as well.
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  76. Hell is other people

    [Jean-Paul Sartre]

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  77. It amazes me that self-styled conservatives think that belief in the supernaturalist tapestry of God and Hell is a priori ‘conservative’. I would have thought the archetypal situation over the last 10,000 years of civilization is a tough, secular minded King or royal adviser facing off against the radical egalitarian impulses of supernaturalism and God-botherers. I mean just read the political parts of the Old Testament for illustrations (psychotic prophets giving dogmatic advice that would have destroyed the Jewish kingdoms). What could be more childishly egalitarian than Hell – where naughty Kings and peasants boil side by side for their greed?

    My guess is that the VERY odd circumstances of religion in the USA in the last 80 years or so – where religion has annexed itself to a certain kind of mainstream conservatism (small state, militarism, anti-communism) have deceived people on here as to who their allies are likely to be. The current Pope is much closer to the normal course of religious history – religion versus hierarchy (as fantasy of course).

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    Guelfs vs. Ghibellines?
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  78. The Pope made a technical theological point. God is both infinitely just and infinitely merciful. Infinite justice requires something like Hell; but infinite mercy opens the door for something along the lines of what the Pope described – the annihilation of ruined souls. Church doctrine is clear that the infinite justice supersedes the infinite mercy; but with qualifications, the Pope’s point is worth making.

    A few more comments regarding Hell:
    - By his very nature, God cannot torture. So Hell is something along the lines of letting sinful souls suffer the consequences of their self-destructive acts of will. By doctrine, God can and does tell you what is good for you. Buy you have the freedom to do whatever you want.
    - Christian doctrine holds that the moral law is written in the hearts of all men, including heathens and unbelievers. Under that doctrine, sinners can’t say “I didn’t know”. And God must obviously be understanding and merciful toward people who have had to make difficult moral choices.
    - One can make the argument that clinical depression offers one a glimpse into the the metaphorical, psychological, and perhaps metaphysical, reality of Hell. Dante’s Inferno is a classic for a reason.

    The Pope is also on firm ground regarding the need for charity toward the refugees. Charity is a cardinal virtue. But here as in his comment regarding Hell, the Pope may be erring by excessively favoring one virtue over another. Charity demands that Europeans treat others gently and generously. Justice demands that Europeans defend their hearths, as they have done for 2500 years.

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    Charity demands that Europeans treat others gently and generously.
     
    But importing refugees is not charity, because the ones paying the price (subsequent generations, mostly; also non-Christian lower class people in the present; disproportionately the young, who get beaten up at school by the diverse, or girls getting raped, etc.) are not the same as the ones doing the “charity.” The Pope and the dogooders are doing “charity” at the expense of others. That’s actually sin, because you first steal what is not yours, and then give it away to virtue signal. Which is perhaps a combination of greed and pride. A truly Christian charity would mean he would give only what belongs to him (i.e. not the country, only money), and then not boasting of it.
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  79. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Talha
    Actually, they are banking (and I mean “bank” due to funds involved) on the idea that they can change us at the fundamental level:
    “The agenda of the progressive left foundations and nonprofit groups described herein is to refashion Islam as a secular identity group centered on ethnic ‘brownness’”
    https://muslimmatters.org/2017/09/20/how-the-progressive-left-wants-to-change-islam-in-america/

    Their assumption is that what worked with other religions will work with us - guess we’ll see...

    Peace.

    Their assumption is that what worked with other religions will work with us – guess we’ll see…

    What’s going to be interesting is to watch their reactions when Islam doesn’t meekly surrender the way Christianity did. There are suddenly going to be some very angry very frightened SJWs. They’re not going to react well (they never do) and they’re going to double down (they always do). But instead of surrendering they’re likely to find that Islam doubles down as well.

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    As a recent Friday sermon shows in the biggest mosque in California - calling out the dangers of feminism:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=IsspEgajvvs

    It is interesting, but the mosque initially took down the sermon but then put it back up after it generated quite a popular buzz in the Muslim community.

    In plenty of Muslim lands, the liberalism experiment of the 60s-80s is being rolled back. The issue in those countries is actually not letting the pendulum swing too far the other way into vapid extremism. However, the big difference there are the numbers - in the West, Muslims are still a super-minority even if we are stubborn. Definitely expect the liberal left to use Modernist Muslims to combat and check traditional ones.

    Interesting times ahead for sure since there is no precedence for what we are about to see unfold.

    Peace.
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  80. @blank-misgivings
    It amazes me that self-styled conservatives think that belief in the supernaturalist tapestry of God and Hell is a priori 'conservative'. I would have thought the archetypal situation over the last 10,000 years of civilization is a tough, secular minded King or royal adviser facing off against the radical egalitarian impulses of supernaturalism and God-botherers. I mean just read the political parts of the Old Testament for illustrations (psychotic prophets giving dogmatic advice that would have destroyed the Jewish kingdoms). What could be more childishly egalitarian than Hell - where naughty Kings and peasants boil side by side for their greed?

    My guess is that the VERY odd circumstances of religion in the USA in the last 80 years or so - where religion has annexed itself to a certain kind of mainstream conservatism (small state, militarism, anti-communism) have deceived people on here as to who their allies are likely to be. The current Pope is much closer to the normal course of religious history - religion versus hierarchy (as fantasy of course).

    Guelfs vs. Ghibellines?

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  81. DB Cooper says:

    “If there is no hell, is not the greatest deterrent to the worst of sins removed?”

    No, not at all. Religion is one of the sources of human violence. For, if you think you are doing God’s work, anything can be justified, including the extermination of a people. Nobel laureate physicist Stephen Weinberg sums it up correctly, “Without religion good people do good things, bad people do bad things, only with religion does good people do bad things”.

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    DB Cooper:

    But, much more important, only with religion do bad people do good things.
    , @reiner Tor

    only with religion does good people do bad things
     
    That’s true, but only if you include any ideological conviction in the category of “religion.” And one more caveat: all people have ideological convictions. All you can do is replace one set of beliefs with another. And the change is usually much worse than intended. Secular humanism can lead to support for the Iraq War or mass immigration or similar disastrous ideas. Religion has stood the test of time, at least under premodern conditions it can be a successful organizing force in society.
    , @Crawfurdmuir

    “Without religion good people do good things, bad people do bad things, only with religion does good people do bad things”.
     
    Communism is without religion - exclusively materialistic and proud to assert so. How does it fit into the above formulation?

    Were good people doing good things when Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, et al., and their followers, slaughtered millions? Eric Hobsbawm thought so even after the fall of the Soviet Union, and said that the deaths of millions of Soviet citizens under Stalin would have been worth it if a genuine Communist society had been the result.

    Or were they just bad people doing bad things?

    Or were there, among all those committed communists, people who, even if bad in the outcomes they actually achieved, had nonetheless convinced themselves that what they were doing was in the service of the highest moral principles?

    And if that be true, and also true that only with religion do good people do bad things, does that therefore make Communism a religion, despite its professed rejection of God or anything supernatural?
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  82. Talha says:
    @dfordoom

    Their assumption is that what worked with other religions will work with us – guess we’ll see…
     
    What's going to be interesting is to watch their reactions when Islam doesn't meekly surrender the way Christianity did. There are suddenly going to be some very angry very frightened SJWs. They're not going to react well (they never do) and they're going to double down (they always do). But instead of surrendering they're likely to find that Islam doubles down as well.

    As a recent Friday sermon shows in the biggest mosque in California – calling out the dangers of feminism:

    It is interesting, but the mosque initially took down the sermon but then put it back up after it generated quite a popular buzz in the Muslim community.

    In plenty of Muslim lands, the liberalism experiment of the 60s-80s is being rolled back. The issue in those countries is actually not letting the pendulum swing too far the other way into vapid extremism. However, the big difference there are the numbers – in the West, Muslims are still a super-minority even if we are stubborn. Definitely expect the liberal left to use Modernist Muslims to combat and check traditional ones.

    Interesting times ahead for sure since there is no precedence for what we are about to see unfold.

    Peace.

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  83. Dan Hayes says:
    @DB Cooper
    "If there is no hell, is not the greatest deterrent to the worst of sins removed?"

    No, not at all. Religion is one of the sources of human violence. For, if you think you are doing God's work, anything can be justified, including the extermination of a people. Nobel laureate physicist Stephen Weinberg sums it up correctly, "Without religion good people do good things, bad people do bad things, only with religion does good people do bad things".

    DB Cooper:

    But, much more important, only with religion do bad people do good things.

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    Good and bad can also be a bit ambiguous. Is having a drink with friends bad or good? Going on a vacation? These may be morally neutral things, or even good. (Like having a drink with a friend who just lost his job, etc.) But choosing a life of endless nights out and vacations with no children? Morally, it might be neutral. Certainly not monstrous. However, in an increasingly irreligious society an increasingly large portion of the population will choose this lifestyle. People will care less and less about their collective future. Over time, this will lead to a societal collapse.
    , @German_reader
    That would have to be at least heavily qualified. Some religions at least (Islam most notably today) in many cases seem to rather encourage bad people to do extremely bad things.
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  84. So. basically, the Dungeon Master has changed one of the arbitrary rules in your game.

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  85. @jimbojones
    The Pope made a technical theological point. God is both infinitely just and infinitely merciful. Infinite justice requires something like Hell; but infinite mercy opens the door for something along the lines of what the Pope described - the annihilation of ruined souls. Church doctrine is clear that the infinite justice supersedes the infinite mercy; but with qualifications, the Pope's point is worth making.

    A few more comments regarding Hell:
    - By his very nature, God cannot torture. So Hell is something along the lines of letting sinful souls suffer the consequences of their self-destructive acts of will. By doctrine, God can and does tell you what is good for you. Buy you have the freedom to do whatever you want.
    - Christian doctrine holds that the moral law is written in the hearts of all men, including heathens and unbelievers. Under that doctrine, sinners can't say "I didn't know". And God must obviously be understanding and merciful toward people who have had to make difficult moral choices.
    - One can make the argument that clinical depression offers one a glimpse into the the metaphorical, psychological, and perhaps metaphysical, reality of Hell. Dante's Inferno is a classic for a reason.

    The Pope is also on firm ground regarding the need for charity toward the refugees. Charity is a cardinal virtue. But here as in his comment regarding Hell, the Pope may be erring by excessively favoring one virtue over another. Charity demands that Europeans treat others gently and generously. Justice demands that Europeans defend their hearths, as they have done for 2500 years.

    Charity demands that Europeans treat others gently and generously.

    But importing refugees is not charity, because the ones paying the price (subsequent generations, mostly; also non-Christian lower class people in the present; disproportionately the young, who get beaten up at school by the diverse, or girls getting raped, etc.) are not the same as the ones doing the “charity.” The Pope and the dogooders are doing “charity” at the expense of others. That’s actually sin, because you first steal what is not yours, and then give it away to virtue signal. Which is perhaps a combination of greed and pride. A truly Christian charity would mean he would give only what belongs to him (i.e. not the country, only money), and then not boasting of it.

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    I tend to agree, but the pope, most bishops (of all denominations) in Western Europe and many prominent Christian laymen disagree vehemently. Who are we, as non-believers or cultural Christians at best, to tell them what the faith they're supposedly representing is about?
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Mr. Tor, you just described the problem with socialism in that short paragraph. Being a Latin American socialist, like all the liberation theology Catholics they have down there, "Pope" Francis would not understand your paragraph, even if translated into Latin for the stupid fuck.

    Peak Stupidity asks "Is this Pope on Dope?"

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  86. @DB Cooper
    "If there is no hell, is not the greatest deterrent to the worst of sins removed?"

    No, not at all. Religion is one of the sources of human violence. For, if you think you are doing God's work, anything can be justified, including the extermination of a people. Nobel laureate physicist Stephen Weinberg sums it up correctly, "Without religion good people do good things, bad people do bad things, only with religion does good people do bad things".

    only with religion does good people do bad things

    That’s true, but only if you include any ideological conviction in the category of “religion.” And one more caveat: all people have ideological convictions. All you can do is replace one set of beliefs with another. And the change is usually much worse than intended. Secular humanism can lead to support for the Iraq War or mass immigration or similar disastrous ideas. Religion has stood the test of time, at least under premodern conditions it can be a successful organizing force in society.

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  87. @Dan Hayes
    DB Cooper:

    But, much more important, only with religion do bad people do good things.

    Good and bad can also be a bit ambiguous. Is having a drink with friends bad or good? Going on a vacation? These may be morally neutral things, or even good. (Like having a drink with a friend who just lost his job, etc.) But choosing a life of endless nights out and vacations with no children? Morally, it might be neutral. Certainly not monstrous. However, in an increasingly irreligious society an increasingly large portion of the population will choose this lifestyle. People will care less and less about their collective future. Over time, this will lead to a societal collapse.

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    People will care less and less about their collective future. Over time, this will lead to a societal collapse.
     
    The problem I always have with such a view of religion is that it a) completely ignores the question of religious truth and merely regards religion as something to buttress group identity (which I find intellectually dishonest...unless one is willing to explain what "Christ died for our sins" is supposed to mean, one should shut up about the merits of Christianity; Christianity is supposed to be about beliefs, it's not just a set of rituals connected to national culture like Shinto or something of the sort) b) it also completely ignores what Christianity stands for in many Western countries today. All the Christian politicians, bishops, priests and prominent Christian laymen who are fervent advocates of open borders and even explicitly welcome mass immigration of Muslims (!) certainly don't care about the collective interests of Europeans, and probably not even that much about those of Christians, given their weak response to the persecution of Oriental Christians. They regard such sentiments as deeply sinful and say it's one's duty as a Christian to overcome such sentiments and adopt a stance of universal love, even when it's obviously detrimental to our own interests (and what does this world matter anyway, when our eternal souls are at stake?). And that's not something I can regard as a reasonable position...nor a moral one, since imo it's basically a cult of extended suicide, dragging down entire societies into the abyss, including all those who, like me, don't subscribe to this warped suicidal morality.
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  88. anarchyst says:
    @attilathehen
    The SSPX has a huge mission in Africa. If you accept black/Asian priests-popes, you're the problem.

    One can accept Catholicism while insisting on separation of the races. The two are not morally exclusive.

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    There is only one pope. Would you accept a black/Asian pope?
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  89. @reiner Tor
    Good and bad can also be a bit ambiguous. Is having a drink with friends bad or good? Going on a vacation? These may be morally neutral things, or even good. (Like having a drink with a friend who just lost his job, etc.) But choosing a life of endless nights out and vacations with no children? Morally, it might be neutral. Certainly not monstrous. However, in an increasingly irreligious society an increasingly large portion of the population will choose this lifestyle. People will care less and less about their collective future. Over time, this will lead to a societal collapse.

    People will care less and less about their collective future. Over time, this will lead to a societal collapse.

    The problem I always have with such a view of religion is that it a) completely ignores the question of religious truth and merely regards religion as something to buttress group identity (which I find intellectually dishonest…unless one is willing to explain what “Christ died for our sins” is supposed to mean, one should shut up about the merits of Christianity; Christianity is supposed to be about beliefs, it’s not just a set of rituals connected to national culture like Shinto or something of the sort) b) it also completely ignores what Christianity stands for in many Western countries today. All the Christian politicians, bishops, priests and prominent Christian laymen who are fervent advocates of open borders and even explicitly welcome mass immigration of Muslims (!) certainly don’t care about the collective interests of Europeans, and probably not even that much about those of Christians, given their weak response to the persecution of Oriental Christians. They regard such sentiments as deeply sinful and say it’s one’s duty as a Christian to overcome such sentiments and adopt a stance of universal love, even when it’s obviously detrimental to our own interests (and what does this world matter anyway, when our eternal souls are at stake?). And that’s not something I can regard as a reasonable position…nor a moral one, since imo it’s basically a cult of extended suicide, dragging down entire societies into the abyss, including all those who, like me, don’t subscribe to this warped suicidal morality.

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    One problem is that they are already not very religious. A pro LGBTQWERTY pope (I guess those German bishops are similar) must not be very religious. Or rather, his (their) religion is something else, not Catholicism. If they were pro African immigration but anti LGBTQWERTY, then I would maybe accept that they were religious (albeit misguided). SSPX might be something like this. Mind you, they are for example strongly anti-Jewish, so no holocaust worship. I’m also wondering if they’d be open to arguments against immigration (like the one used in Norway about the cost of accepting N immigrants being ten times higher than giving foreign aid and helping ten times as many Africans in Africa; or the argument above about fake charity at others’ expense).

    Anyway, I’m not saying religions cannot be bad, just that “secular humanism” so far has always been bad. Whereas some religions are good, at least some of the time.

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  90. @Dan Hayes
    DB Cooper:

    But, much more important, only with religion do bad people do good things.

    That would have to be at least heavily qualified. Some religions at least (Islam most notably today) in many cases seem to rather encourage bad people to do extremely bad things.

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    Extremism is a strain that runs through human history and will also involve itself in religion. Hell, it involves itself into every aspect of human life; see extreme sports and hotdog eating contests, for instance. Think of what the Communists were willing to do for their ultimate vision. That will never be completely expunged from religion any more than from humanity itself because religion itself cannot be divorced from where it takes root - the human heart (which is what you pointed out regarding belief and cognitive dissonance).

    The better question is; in the summation of all things, is religion mostly a positive or a negative force? One can make a similar case with something like the institution of marriage; sure it can be an abusive and manipulative thing but also something beautiful - and the same marriage can go through various stages. This is a subjective analysis after all and some will insist on throwing out the baby with the bath water.

    Peace.
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  91. @reiner Tor

    Charity demands that Europeans treat others gently and generously.
     
    But importing refugees is not charity, because the ones paying the price (subsequent generations, mostly; also non-Christian lower class people in the present; disproportionately the young, who get beaten up at school by the diverse, or girls getting raped, etc.) are not the same as the ones doing the “charity.” The Pope and the dogooders are doing “charity” at the expense of others. That’s actually sin, because you first steal what is not yours, and then give it away to virtue signal. Which is perhaps a combination of greed and pride. A truly Christian charity would mean he would give only what belongs to him (i.e. not the country, only money), and then not boasting of it.

    I tend to agree, but the pope, most bishops (of all denominations) in Western Europe and many prominent Christian laymen disagree vehemently. Who are we, as non-believers or cultural Christians at best, to tell them what the faith they’re supposedly representing is about?

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    I don’t know about Germany, but in Hungary I have heard atheists criticizing the (at least nominally Christian) opponents of immigration as being “un-Christian.” If they don’t restrict themselves in their arguments for immigration, why should we?

    Moreover, I think the argument makes enormous sense. Charity (secular or Christian) cannot be practiced at the expense of others. That’s not charity. The immorality of that must be pointed out.

    I also think that there could be something objective in Christianity. Or any other religion. If someone created the Free Love Mosque where congregants were required to enter naked and engage in sex with each other, while smoking hash, then perhaps I could be forgiven for pointing out that they are not Muslims by any stretch of the word. Despite not being Muslim myself. Similarly, I can point out that Merkel’s actions are not exactly Christian. Because, objectively speaking, they aren’t.

    But to repeat, the most important thing is that we need to convince Christians, and the atheists among our opponents won’t restrict themselves to not using religious arguments whenever it fits them. Why should we?
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  92. Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
    Of Peter’s Bark run hard aground;
    Upon this Rock
    To dash his flock:
    Pope Sans-a-frock with coxcomb crowned.

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  93. Talha says:
    @German_reader
    That would have to be at least heavily qualified. Some religions at least (Islam most notably today) in many cases seem to rather encourage bad people to do extremely bad things.

    Extremism is a strain that runs through human history and will also involve itself in religion. Hell, it involves itself into every aspect of human life; see extreme sports and hotdog eating contests, for instance. Think of what the Communists were willing to do for their ultimate vision. That will never be completely expunged from religion any more than from humanity itself because religion itself cannot be divorced from where it takes root – the human heart (which is what you pointed out regarding belief and cognitive dissonance).

    The better question is; in the summation of all things, is religion mostly a positive or a negative force? One can make a similar case with something like the institution of marriage; sure it can be an abusive and manipulative thing but also something beautiful – and the same marriage can go through various stages. This is a subjective analysis after all and some will insist on throwing out the baby with the bath water.

    Peace.

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  94. @anarchyst
    One can accept Catholicism while insisting on separation of the races. The two are not morally exclusive.

    There is only one pope. Would you accept a black/Asian pope?

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  95. Rurik says:

    There is only one pope. Would you accept a black/Asian pope?

    I would, if they were honest men with Christ-like souls and respect for human dignity

    whereas this poop the Catholics are stuck with now, is an embarrassment and mockery of Christianity and Catholicism and common sense and truth and justice.

    I asked an Irish guy i know what he thinks of him, and he told me point blank, as only an Irishman could; ‘he’s a fag’.

    Yep, that about covers it. ;)

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    You would accept a black/Asian pope. You are a degenerate. The idea that we could not find a Caucasian male with a Christ like soul is so incredibly stupid - I can't even.

    You would OSCULUM INFAME black/Asian priests-popes. Where are you located? I live in an area "vibrating" with diversity and know that blacks/Asians cannot be a part of any of our churches in the West.

    Biology comes first, then beliefs. Christianity cannot help blacks/Asians. IQ is the starting point.
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  96. @German_reader
    I tend to agree, but the pope, most bishops (of all denominations) in Western Europe and many prominent Christian laymen disagree vehemently. Who are we, as non-believers or cultural Christians at best, to tell them what the faith they're supposedly representing is about?

    I don’t know about Germany, but in Hungary I have heard atheists criticizing the (at least nominally Christian) opponents of immigration as being “un-Christian.” If they don’t restrict themselves in their arguments for immigration, why should we?

    Moreover, I think the argument makes enormous sense. Charity (secular or Christian) cannot be practiced at the expense of others. That’s not charity. The immorality of that must be pointed out.

    I also think that there could be something objective in Christianity. Or any other religion. If someone created the Free Love Mosque where congregants were required to enter naked and engage in sex with each other, while smoking hash, then perhaps I could be forgiven for pointing out that they are not Muslims by any stretch of the word. Despite not being Muslim myself. Similarly, I can point out that Merkel’s actions are not exactly Christian. Because, objectively speaking, they aren’t.

    But to repeat, the most important thing is that we need to convince Christians, and the atheists among our opponents won’t restrict themselves to not using religious arguments whenever it fits them. Why should we?

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    I don’t know about Germany, but in Hungary I have heard atheists criticizing the (at least nominally Christian) opponents of immigration as being “un-Christian.”
     
    Oh, of course that exists, it's very noticeable how even hardcore leftists (e.g. people who are basically commies and constantly going on how great it was in East Germany) discover "Christian values" and try to shame opponents of mass immigration by reference to them. Of course they're very selective with that though...would never happen regarding issues like abortion or homosexuality.

    Similarly, I can point out that Merkel’s actions are not exactly Christian. Because, objectively speaking, they aren’t.
     
    Many, many Christians would disagree with that, and I'm not sure they're wrong. We have to remember that Christianity for most of its history has been not least about forcing people into certain behaviours deemed moral, through close association with state authorities. It's not that big a leap to suggest that the same should now happen regarding the fight against "racism" (it becomes quite obvious at times...there was an incident that gained some media attention in 2015 or 2016 when a minor Christian Democrat politician basically told critics of the asylum system "If you don't accept that our society is run according to Christian values, you're free to leave Germany"...that's why reference to "Judeo-Christian values" or something of the sort is a double-edged sword at best for people like us).
    One of the core problems for me is that Christian morality at its origins was that of a marginal sect, expecting the end of the world it believed to be near, and very far removed from any political power. Now there may be a lot to admire about such ethics, but if you apply them naively to the running of a modern nation state, the results are likely to be disastrous, and unfortunately naive literalists seem to have become dominant in Western churches nowadays.

    But to repeat, the most important thing is that we need to convince Christians
     
    True, but I'm unsure about how best to do this (your charity argument is quite good though...but it won't work on the more authoritarian kind of left Christian who's into demonizing "racists" as Satanic). The only thing I can think of as a recommendation is that nationalists should avoid indulging explicitly anti-Christian atheist or neopagan ideas, even if the temptation to do so is obvious. But at least in northwestern Europe (certainly in Germany) some level of confrontation with the establishment churches is unavoidable.
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  97. @German_reader

    People will care less and less about their collective future. Over time, this will lead to a societal collapse.
     
    The problem I always have with such a view of religion is that it a) completely ignores the question of religious truth and merely regards religion as something to buttress group identity (which I find intellectually dishonest...unless one is willing to explain what "Christ died for our sins" is supposed to mean, one should shut up about the merits of Christianity; Christianity is supposed to be about beliefs, it's not just a set of rituals connected to national culture like Shinto or something of the sort) b) it also completely ignores what Christianity stands for in many Western countries today. All the Christian politicians, bishops, priests and prominent Christian laymen who are fervent advocates of open borders and even explicitly welcome mass immigration of Muslims (!) certainly don't care about the collective interests of Europeans, and probably not even that much about those of Christians, given their weak response to the persecution of Oriental Christians. They regard such sentiments as deeply sinful and say it's one's duty as a Christian to overcome such sentiments and adopt a stance of universal love, even when it's obviously detrimental to our own interests (and what does this world matter anyway, when our eternal souls are at stake?). And that's not something I can regard as a reasonable position...nor a moral one, since imo it's basically a cult of extended suicide, dragging down entire societies into the abyss, including all those who, like me, don't subscribe to this warped suicidal morality.

    One problem is that they are already not very religious. A pro LGBTQWERTY pope (I guess those German bishops are similar) must not be very religious. Or rather, his (their) religion is something else, not Catholicism. If they were pro African immigration but anti LGBTQWERTY, then I would maybe accept that they were religious (albeit misguided). SSPX might be something like this. Mind you, they are for example strongly anti-Jewish, so no holocaust worship. I’m also wondering if they’d be open to arguments against immigration (like the one used in Norway about the cost of accepting N immigrants being ten times higher than giving foreign aid and helping ten times as many Africans in Africa; or the argument above about fake charity at others’ expense).

    Anyway, I’m not saying religions cannot be bad, just that “secular humanism” so far has always been bad. Whereas some religions are good, at least some of the time.

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    Anyway, I’m not saying religions cannot be bad, just that “secular humanism” so far has always been bad.
     
    I'm not even sure what "secular humanism" is supposed to mean...people who use terms like Humanismus in Germany - unless in a historical sense, when applied to Erasmus of Rotterdam and the like - are usually GDR-style commies. Obviously that's not something I endorse. If anything, I criticize Christianity from the right, because at least in its current form it opens the way to evildoers and has arguably harmful political consequences for the ability of a society to defend itself.
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  98. @reiner Tor
    I don’t know about Germany, but in Hungary I have heard atheists criticizing the (at least nominally Christian) opponents of immigration as being “un-Christian.” If they don’t restrict themselves in their arguments for immigration, why should we?

    Moreover, I think the argument makes enormous sense. Charity (secular or Christian) cannot be practiced at the expense of others. That’s not charity. The immorality of that must be pointed out.

    I also think that there could be something objective in Christianity. Or any other religion. If someone created the Free Love Mosque where congregants were required to enter naked and engage in sex with each other, while smoking hash, then perhaps I could be forgiven for pointing out that they are not Muslims by any stretch of the word. Despite not being Muslim myself. Similarly, I can point out that Merkel’s actions are not exactly Christian. Because, objectively speaking, they aren’t.

    But to repeat, the most important thing is that we need to convince Christians, and the atheists among our opponents won’t restrict themselves to not using religious arguments whenever it fits them. Why should we?

    I don’t know about Germany, but in Hungary I have heard atheists criticizing the (at least nominally Christian) opponents of immigration as being “un-Christian.”

    Oh, of course that exists, it’s very noticeable how even hardcore leftists (e.g. people who are basically commies and constantly going on how great it was in East Germany) discover “Christian values” and try to shame opponents of mass immigration by reference to them. Of course they’re very selective with that though…would never happen regarding issues like abortion or homosexuality.

    Similarly, I can point out that Merkel’s actions are not exactly Christian. Because, objectively speaking, they aren’t.

    Many, many Christians would disagree with that, and I’m not sure they’re wrong. We have to remember that Christianity for most of its history has been not least about forcing people into certain behaviours deemed moral, through close association with state authorities. It’s not that big a leap to suggest that the same should now happen regarding the fight against “racism” (it becomes quite obvious at times…there was an incident that gained some media attention in 2015 or 2016 when a minor Christian Democrat politician basically told critics of the asylum system “If you don’t accept that our society is run according to Christian values, you’re free to leave Germany”…that’s why reference to “Judeo-Christian values” or something of the sort is a double-edged sword at best for people like us).
    One of the core problems for me is that Christian morality at its origins was that of a marginal sect, expecting the end of the world it believed to be near, and very far removed from any political power. Now there may be a lot to admire about such ethics, but if you apply them naively to the running of a modern nation state, the results are likely to be disastrous, and unfortunately naive literalists seem to have become dominant in Western churches nowadays.

    But to repeat, the most important thing is that we need to convince Christians

    True, but I’m unsure about how best to do this (your charity argument is quite good though…but it won’t work on the more authoritarian kind of left Christian who’s into demonizing “racists” as Satanic). The only thing I can think of as a recommendation is that nationalists should avoid indulging explicitly anti-Christian atheist or neopagan ideas, even if the temptation to do so is obvious. But at least in northwestern Europe (certainly in Germany) some level of confrontation with the establishment churches is unavoidable.

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    We have to remember that Christianity for most of its history has been not least about forcing people into certain behaviours deemed moral, through close association with state authorities.
     
    It’s a bit different. For example charity was precisely the moral deed which the Church consistently insisted on not making compulsory. The Church was even wary of some of the religious orders because of this. So historically what we can see today would have been considered a heresy throughout the centuries since at least Constantine the Great (and probably earlier, though earlier the Church might have been less unified on this or any other issue).
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  99. @reiner Tor
    One problem is that they are already not very religious. A pro LGBTQWERTY pope (I guess those German bishops are similar) must not be very religious. Or rather, his (their) religion is something else, not Catholicism. If they were pro African immigration but anti LGBTQWERTY, then I would maybe accept that they were religious (albeit misguided). SSPX might be something like this. Mind you, they are for example strongly anti-Jewish, so no holocaust worship. I’m also wondering if they’d be open to arguments against immigration (like the one used in Norway about the cost of accepting N immigrants being ten times higher than giving foreign aid and helping ten times as many Africans in Africa; or the argument above about fake charity at others’ expense).

    Anyway, I’m not saying religions cannot be bad, just that “secular humanism” so far has always been bad. Whereas some religions are good, at least some of the time.

    Anyway, I’m not saying religions cannot be bad, just that “secular humanism” so far has always been bad.

    I’m not even sure what “secular humanism” is supposed to mean…people who use terms like Humanismus in Germany – unless in a historical sense, when applied to Erasmus of Rotterdam and the like – are usually GDR-style commies. Obviously that’s not something I endorse. If anything, I criticize Christianity from the right, because at least in its current form it opens the way to evildoers and has arguably harmful political consequences for the ability of a society to defend itself.

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  100. @Rurik

    There is only one pope. Would you accept a black/Asian pope?
     
    I would, if they were honest men with Christ-like souls and respect for human dignity

    whereas this poop the Catholics are stuck with now, is an embarrassment and mockery of Christianity and Catholicism and common sense and truth and justice.

    I asked an Irish guy i know what he thinks of him, and he told me point blank, as only an Irishman could; 'he's a fag'.

    Yep, that about covers it. ;)

    You would accept a black/Asian pope. You are a degenerate. The idea that we could not find a Caucasian male with a Christ like soul is so incredibly stupid – I can’t even.

    You would OSCULUM INFAME black/Asian priests-popes. Where are you located? I live in an area “vibrating” with diversity and know that blacks/Asians cannot be a part of any of our churches in the West.

    Biology comes first, then beliefs. Christianity cannot help blacks/Asians. IQ is the starting point.

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    You would accept a black/Asian pope. You are a degenerate.
     
    attilathehen says:

    The RCC is looking to Africa to save the church. It is time to move the papacy to the Congo or the Philippines.
     
    degeneracy to go around, it seems

    The idea that we could not find a Caucasian male with a Christ like soul is so incredibly stupid – I can’t even.
     
    do you know of any?

    I sure don't. Wish I did. I think I'd be less cynical. And Christ Himself was not a Caucasian, but was certainly a blood relative of today's Palestinians, who're being relentlessly and routinely scourged by today's Pharisees and 'crucified' (murdered in the streets) with the direct complicity today's white Christians.

    if you were to ask me, 'who, in your lifetime, pops into your mind as being most Christ-like?'

    I'd think of a young woman, who like Joan of Ark, was also brutally made an example of (by corrupt men) for her devotion and her grace.. by killing her in a cruel way.

    http://bennorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/rachel-corrie.jpg

    Catholicism, by definition- is not an expression of any single nation or ethnicity. It's an organized religion that prothlesizes for more converts, regardless of nationality or race. Indeed, many of today's Catholic's ancestors were converted by less consensual means.

    So, unlike the head of a state, or a tribe, like Judaism for instance, Catholicism is simply based on faith, so if they decided on a S. American as the pope, (who recognized the God-given imperative of all peoples to have borders to their lands) I see no harm, and no foul. And it's hard to imagine that such a Pope would be worse than the lily-white minions of Satan who've been occupying the Vatican and facilitating boy-rape and the genocide of Europa.

    , @EliteCommInc.
    I try to avoid the provocative just being provocative. You are of course kidding with these comments.
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  101. @reiner Tor

    Charity demands that Europeans treat others gently and generously.
     
    But importing refugees is not charity, because the ones paying the price (subsequent generations, mostly; also non-Christian lower class people in the present; disproportionately the young, who get beaten up at school by the diverse, or girls getting raped, etc.) are not the same as the ones doing the “charity.” The Pope and the dogooders are doing “charity” at the expense of others. That’s actually sin, because you first steal what is not yours, and then give it away to virtue signal. Which is perhaps a combination of greed and pride. A truly Christian charity would mean he would give only what belongs to him (i.e. not the country, only money), and then not boasting of it.

    Mr. Tor, you just described the problem with socialism in that short paragraph. Being a Latin American socialist, like all the liberation theology Catholics they have down there, “Pope” Francis would not understand your paragraph, even if translated into Latin for the stupid fuck.

    Peak Stupidity asks “Is this Pope on Dope?”

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  102. KenH says:

    Speaking of Christianity and Christian charity I don’t know of any major Christian or Catholic organizations who are protesting the murders of white farmers in South Africa and the looming confiscation of their land by the communist ANC. These are some of the same hypocritical religious organizations who lead the charge against white ruled apartheid S. Africa in the 1970′s and 80′s.

    The irony about Catholic Charities is that their charity seems only to extend to anyone who’s not white or Catholic. They seem to specialize in resettling unassimilable black Africans and Muslims into the U.S. but not an ounce of assistance to beleaguered whites.

    Persecution usually means a one way ticket to the USA and a lifetime of welfare and government aid but only if one is of a non-white, third world demographic. Only the colors of the rainbow get privilege while whitey gets screwed over.

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    In the US, Catholic Charities was getting most of their money from the government. They used the money to resettle Muslims and blacks all over the US. Fortunately, the Trump administration has cut back on this funding and many of their offices are closing.

    The RCC is looking to Africa to save the church. It is time to move the papacy to the Congo or the Philippines.
    , @Rurik

    The irony about Catholic Charities is that their charity seems only to extend to anyone who’s not white or Catholic. They seem to specialize in resettling unassimilable black Africans and Muslims into the U.S. but not an ounce of assistance to beleaguered whites.
     
    what you say is also true of the other Christian denominations

    It's the Lutherans in Minnesota who're also resettling the Somalis, just as Protestants all over the nation abase themselves to all things anti-Christ Israel.

    shekels, you see

    The story of Judas is perhaps the most telling one in the bible. Because it lays out for us all to see the willingness of men (and women) to betray their very souls for earthly shekels.

    http://www.etinside.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/PPT-Televangelists-and-Leading-Preachers.png
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  103. @KenH
    Speaking of Christianity and Christian charity I don't know of any major Christian or Catholic organizations who are protesting the murders of white farmers in South Africa and the looming confiscation of their land by the communist ANC. These are some of the same hypocritical religious organizations who lead the charge against white ruled apartheid S. Africa in the 1970's and 80's.

    The irony about Catholic Charities is that their charity seems only to extend to anyone who's not white or Catholic. They seem to specialize in resettling unassimilable black Africans and Muslims into the U.S. but not an ounce of assistance to beleaguered whites.

    Persecution usually means a one way ticket to the USA and a lifetime of welfare and government aid but only if one is of a non-white, third world demographic. Only the colors of the rainbow get privilege while whitey gets screwed over.

    In the US, Catholic Charities was getting most of their money from the government. They used the money to resettle Muslims and blacks all over the US. Fortunately, the Trump administration has cut back on this funding and many of their offices are closing.

    The RCC is looking to Africa to save the church. It is time to move the papacy to the Congo or the Philippines.

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    They used the money to resettle Muslims and blacks all over the US. Fortunately, the Trump administration has cut back on this funding and many of their offices are closing.
     
    Are you sure because I remember reading that in 2017 Paul Ryan vastly increased the money for refugee resettlement in another large omnibus bill? Maybe things have changed since then.
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  104. Rurik says:
    @attilathehen
    You would accept a black/Asian pope. You are a degenerate. The idea that we could not find a Caucasian male with a Christ like soul is so incredibly stupid - I can't even.

    You would OSCULUM INFAME black/Asian priests-popes. Where are you located? I live in an area "vibrating" with diversity and know that blacks/Asians cannot be a part of any of our churches in the West.

    Biology comes first, then beliefs. Christianity cannot help blacks/Asians. IQ is the starting point.

    You would accept a black/Asian pope. You are a degenerate.

    attilathehen says:

    The RCC is looking to Africa to save the church. It is time to move the papacy to the Congo or the Philippines.

    degeneracy to go around, it seems

    The idea that we could not find a Caucasian male with a Christ like soul is so incredibly stupid – I can’t even.

    do you know of any?

    I sure don’t. Wish I did. I think I’d be less cynical. And Christ Himself was not a Caucasian, but was certainly a blood relative of today’s Palestinians, who’re being relentlessly and routinely scourged by today’s Pharisees and ‘crucified’ (murdered in the streets) with the direct complicity today’s white Christians.

    if you were to ask me, ‘who, in your lifetime, pops into your mind as being most Christ-like?’

    I’d think of a young woman, who like Joan of Ark, was also brutally made an example of (by corrupt men) for her devotion and her grace.. by killing her in a cruel way.

    Catholicism, by definition- is not an expression of any single nation or ethnicity. It’s an organized religion that prothlesizes for more converts, regardless of nationality or race. Indeed, many of today’s Catholic’s ancestors were converted by less consensual means.

    So, unlike the head of a state, or a tribe, like Judaism for instance, Catholicism is simply based on faith, so if they decided on a S. American as the pope, (who recognized the God-given imperative of all peoples to have borders to their lands) I see no harm, and no foul. And it’s hard to imagine that such a Pope would be worse than the lily-white minions of Satan who’ve been occupying the Vatican and facilitating boy-rape and the genocide of Europa.

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    Jesus was white, a Caucasian you incredibly stupid RCC cuck. He is not related to today's Palestinians. Before Islam took over the Middle East and North Africa the people were Caucasians. St. Augustine of Hippo is a perfect example of this phenotype. 90% of North Africans today have black ancestry because of Islamic slavery and concubinage. 75 % of Muslim Palestinians have black ancestry. Hence their low IQs. I know about the Roman Catholic religion. I'm a cradle RCCer whose family has been RCC for hundreds of years. I left the RCC because I don't accept black/Asian priests-popes. Also, the communion wafer does not work for blacks/Asians. Look at RCC Haiti and El Salvador. The only reason lily white minions are getting away with the homosexuality and pedophilia in the RCC is because of cucks like you. The RCC is over. Diversity destroyed it. It is time for a new church for the West.
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  105. Rurik says:
    @KenH
    Speaking of Christianity and Christian charity I don't know of any major Christian or Catholic organizations who are protesting the murders of white farmers in South Africa and the looming confiscation of their land by the communist ANC. These are some of the same hypocritical religious organizations who lead the charge against white ruled apartheid S. Africa in the 1970's and 80's.

    The irony about Catholic Charities is that their charity seems only to extend to anyone who's not white or Catholic. They seem to specialize in resettling unassimilable black Africans and Muslims into the U.S. but not an ounce of assistance to beleaguered whites.

    Persecution usually means a one way ticket to the USA and a lifetime of welfare and government aid but only if one is of a non-white, third world demographic. Only the colors of the rainbow get privilege while whitey gets screwed over.

    The irony about Catholic Charities is that their charity seems only to extend to anyone who’s not white or Catholic. They seem to specialize in resettling unassimilable black Africans and Muslims into the U.S. but not an ounce of assistance to beleaguered whites.

    what you say is also true of the other Christian denominations

    It’s the Lutherans in Minnesota who’re also resettling the Somalis, just as Protestants all over the nation abase themselves to all things anti-Christ Israel.

    shekels, you see

    The story of Judas is perhaps the most telling one in the bible. Because it lays out for us all to see the willingness of men (and women) to betray their very souls for earthly shekels.

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    It’s the Lutherans in Minnesota who’re also resettling the Somalis, just as Protestants all over the nation abase themselves to all things anti-Christ Israel.
     
    You're right and in some ways protestant denominations can be even worse. Christians will be the first to denounce whites who act in their own interests and lecture us that Gawd doesn't see race then turn right around and work to render race based aid and comfort to blacks and other non-whites.
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  106. @Rurik

    You would accept a black/Asian pope. You are a degenerate.
     
    attilathehen says:

    The RCC is looking to Africa to save the church. It is time to move the papacy to the Congo or the Philippines.
     
    degeneracy to go around, it seems

    The idea that we could not find a Caucasian male with a Christ like soul is so incredibly stupid – I can’t even.
     
    do you know of any?

    I sure don't. Wish I did. I think I'd be less cynical. And Christ Himself was not a Caucasian, but was certainly a blood relative of today's Palestinians, who're being relentlessly and routinely scourged by today's Pharisees and 'crucified' (murdered in the streets) with the direct complicity today's white Christians.

    if you were to ask me, 'who, in your lifetime, pops into your mind as being most Christ-like?'

    I'd think of a young woman, who like Joan of Ark, was also brutally made an example of (by corrupt men) for her devotion and her grace.. by killing her in a cruel way.

    http://bennorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/rachel-corrie.jpg

    Catholicism, by definition- is not an expression of any single nation or ethnicity. It's an organized religion that prothlesizes for more converts, regardless of nationality or race. Indeed, many of today's Catholic's ancestors were converted by less consensual means.

    So, unlike the head of a state, or a tribe, like Judaism for instance, Catholicism is simply based on faith, so if they decided on a S. American as the pope, (who recognized the God-given imperative of all peoples to have borders to their lands) I see no harm, and no foul. And it's hard to imagine that such a Pope would be worse than the lily-white minions of Satan who've been occupying the Vatican and facilitating boy-rape and the genocide of Europa.

    Jesus was white, a Caucasian you incredibly stupid RCC cuck. He is not related to today’s Palestinians. Before Islam took over the Middle East and North Africa the people were Caucasians. St. Augustine of Hippo is a perfect example of this phenotype. 90% of North Africans today have black ancestry because of Islamic slavery and concubinage. 75 % of Muslim Palestinians have black ancestry. Hence their low IQs. I know about the Roman Catholic religion. I’m a cradle RCCer whose family has been RCC for hundreds of years. I left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes. Also, the communion wafer does not work for blacks/Asians. Look at RCC Haiti and El Salvador. The only reason lily white minions are getting away with the homosexuality and pedophilia in the RCC is because of cucks like you. The RCC is over. Diversity destroyed it. It is time for a new church for the West.

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    Rurik is not a cuck.
    , @Bliss

    I’m a cradle RCCer whose family has been RCC for hundreds of years. I left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes.......It is time for a new church for the West.
     
    Good luck with that. You were never really Christian to begin with. Nazism is not Christianity. Comprendre?

    How could you be ignorant of the fact that Ethiopia was a Christian nation many centuries before your ancestors were forced to renounce their european paganism? It was only in the 13th century that the Northern Crusade forced the last of the European barbarians to convert to Catholicism.

    Btw, chew on this:

    Then the LORD said, "Put your hand inside your cloak." So Moses put his hand into his cloak, and when he took it out, the skin was leprous --it had become as white as snow.
    (Exodus 4:6)
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  107. Mark Presco says: • Website

    None of you commenters seem to understand the Catholic religion. It is all about having your sins forgiven.

    I was taught in catechism that every human soul was bound straight for hell unless saved by the church. Not for anything we did, but for what Adam and Eve did: original sin, the fall of mankind.

    The sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation and the Eucharist were absolutely necessary to be forgiven Adam and Eves sins; Confession, Absolution and Last Rights to be forgiven your own. Only the church and the priests can administer them.

    This is basically a Jewish con game. A protection racket. We’ll save you from a fate worse than death. We’ll save you from our God who wants to cast you into a lake of fire and cause you to suffer the horrors of being alive, every second of your existence…. For eternity. All you gotta do is put a little money in the collection plate.

    Will simply the threat of oblivion be enough to keep the money flowing?

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  108. Rurik says:

    Jesus was white,

    no, Jesus was a Jew

    and there were no white European rabbis in the Levant during His sojourn on earth.

    So, as long as cucks like you continue to worship a Jew, as “God Himself”, you’re really the ultimate cuck, now aren’t you?

    except that you don’t vacate just he wombs of your women, to make room for the seed of interlopers, but you vacate the very throne of Valhalla, and cuck Them for a Jew to supersede over Them, the true Gods of the West

    supplanted and cucked by you Christians, that worship the very act of cucking = spreading the other cheek to your enemies.

    don’t talk to me of ‘cuck’, Christian, who begs forgiveness for your vile, sinful existence, and lives on your knees as if prostrate obeisance was a virtue. Ha! (pathetic)

    my religion is one of exuberant self-affirmation, with homage to my ancestors.

    not whiny cuck apologies for having an earthy flesh to apologize for every minute, and repudiate the venerable passion one has for the opposite sex. The love and lust a man has for a beautiful women, is the most sublime wonder the Gods in their benevolence bestowed upon the mortal world. And you Christians bury it in an abased and groveling tomb of guilt. Unless of course, it’s lust for little boys! then is seems there’s no perversion too egregious in the Christian pursuit of homomania and importing Somali boys. With your gay marriage, and gay cakes, and gay priests galore…

    what a joke that the likes of you would presume to call someone a cuck.

    when you’ve cucked the very Gods from their thrones, and replaced them with a Jew- (~ not even of your blood) ~ to worship in His earthly flesh. Jesus how they must mock you in their synagogues, even as they ban your holiest of sacraments. But don’t worry, you’ve spent so much time learning the covenants about spreading your cheeks, that they’ll never get any real resistance from you Christians, except forgiveness for their sins against you. That you Christians know how to do!

    the ultimate, ultimate, sad, pathetic cucks

    you’ve cucked your very Gods, and cucked your very souls

    to the very people who despise you the most

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    You really like flaunting your stupidity. There are 3 racial groups: Caucasoids, Mongoloids, Negroids. Europeans fall in the Caucasian group. Jesus was a Caucasian. He was not European but he was still white. You've gone from defending black/Asian popes to now being a European pagan. Such schizo writing is a symptom of something else. Are you involved with Asian women?
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  109. Do you doubt that the SJWs and progressives have exaggerated the scope of the priest molestation / pedophilia scandal?

    Given that I tend to look at the world through the lens of the Duke Lacrosse case on issues of sexual assault, sexual harassment, and rape, I tend to discount the “harm” that cucky “victims” claim they have sustained because father touched their privates.

    Many years ago, in the summer of 1995, I was reading a Boston Globe Sunday Magazine piece concerning a “survivor” of the infamous father Porter. The man, aged 45 at the time of the Boston Globe story, claimed that father Porter had grabbed his buttocks, stroked his hair, and had put his hands on his crotch, which was covered by his pants, all when the man was 15 years of age. The man acknowledged that he did not have sex with father Porter, anal or otherwise. No sodomy. In fact, the man admitted that he had never taken off his clothes in father Porter’s presence.

    Granted, father Porter was one nasty human being who did prey on younger boys. He did sexually assault young boys, including altar boys. He did sodomize boys.

    The guy insisted that father Porter had ruined his life as he had become an alcoholic and that he suffered from depression. He claimed that he could not maintain relationships and that he had trouble remaining employed for long periods of time.

    In my view, our society has fostered cuckiness – a view with which I think you would generally agree. Applied to the priest molestation phenomenon, one can see the cuckiness manifested by the likes of the 45 year old “victim” of father Porter.

    What type of man would allow his life to be ruined because, at 15, a priest touched his pecker or grabbed his ass?

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    Liberty Mike:

    Your question: "What type of man would allow his life to be ruined because, at 15, a priest touched his pecker or grabbed his ass?"

    Answer: A man who wanted a large cash settlement from the Boston Archdiocese for his purported ruination!
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  110. @attilathehen
    Jesus was white, a Caucasian you incredibly stupid RCC cuck. He is not related to today's Palestinians. Before Islam took over the Middle East and North Africa the people were Caucasians. St. Augustine of Hippo is a perfect example of this phenotype. 90% of North Africans today have black ancestry because of Islamic slavery and concubinage. 75 % of Muslim Palestinians have black ancestry. Hence their low IQs. I know about the Roman Catholic religion. I'm a cradle RCCer whose family has been RCC for hundreds of years. I left the RCC because I don't accept black/Asian priests-popes. Also, the communion wafer does not work for blacks/Asians. Look at RCC Haiti and El Salvador. The only reason lily white minions are getting away with the homosexuality and pedophilia in the RCC is because of cucks like you. The RCC is over. Diversity destroyed it. It is time for a new church for the West.

    Rurik is not a cuck.

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  111. KenH says:
    @attilathehen
    In the US, Catholic Charities was getting most of their money from the government. They used the money to resettle Muslims and blacks all over the US. Fortunately, the Trump administration has cut back on this funding and many of their offices are closing.

    The RCC is looking to Africa to save the church. It is time to move the papacy to the Congo or the Philippines.

    They used the money to resettle Muslims and blacks all over the US. Fortunately, the Trump administration has cut back on this funding and many of their offices are closing.

    Are you sure because I remember reading that in 2017 Paul Ryan vastly increased the money for refugee resettlement in another large omnibus bill? Maybe things have changed since then.

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  112. Bliss says:
    @attilathehen
    Jesus was white, a Caucasian you incredibly stupid RCC cuck. He is not related to today's Palestinians. Before Islam took over the Middle East and North Africa the people were Caucasians. St. Augustine of Hippo is a perfect example of this phenotype. 90% of North Africans today have black ancestry because of Islamic slavery and concubinage. 75 % of Muslim Palestinians have black ancestry. Hence their low IQs. I know about the Roman Catholic religion. I'm a cradle RCCer whose family has been RCC for hundreds of years. I left the RCC because I don't accept black/Asian priests-popes. Also, the communion wafer does not work for blacks/Asians. Look at RCC Haiti and El Salvador. The only reason lily white minions are getting away with the homosexuality and pedophilia in the RCC is because of cucks like you. The RCC is over. Diversity destroyed it. It is time for a new church for the West.

    I’m a cradle RCCer whose family has been RCC for hundreds of years. I left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes…….It is time for a new church for the West.

    Good luck with that. You were never really Christian to begin with. Nazism is not Christianity. Comprendre?

    How could you be ignorant of the fact that Ethiopia was a Christian nation many centuries before your ancestors were forced to renounce their european paganism? It was only in the 13th century that the Northern Crusade forced the last of the European barbarians to convert to Catholicism.

    Btw, chew on this:

    Then the LORD said, “Put your hand inside your cloak.” So Moses put his hand into his cloak, and when he took it out, the skin was leprous –it had become as white as snow.
    (Exodus 4:6)

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    Ah Bliss. You're another one whose scribblings are all over the place. Are you a Muslim now? If yes, Islam is a Christian heresy. I'm dissing Mohammed (piss be upon him). Nazism is not Christianity? I comprende you are estupido. What would make you think I'm a Nazi? Separating from blacks/Asians/Jews doesn't mean concentration camps. They have their own countries. I know about Ethiopia. When they converted there was still a Caucasian minority that was able to develop the religion. As they mixed more with blacks, they collapsed and that's why they never went out converting. They lost their IQ. I know about the conversion of Northern European. And now you're defending European pagans?

    I can't blame God entirely for your craziness. He could have put something inside your mind, but before I blame Him, explain yourself in a logical, consistent manner. It's tough and you might not be able to do it, but try.

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  113. KenH says:
    @Rurik

    The irony about Catholic Charities is that their charity seems only to extend to anyone who’s not white or Catholic. They seem to specialize in resettling unassimilable black Africans and Muslims into the U.S. but not an ounce of assistance to beleaguered whites.
     
    what you say is also true of the other Christian denominations

    It's the Lutherans in Minnesota who're also resettling the Somalis, just as Protestants all over the nation abase themselves to all things anti-Christ Israel.

    shekels, you see

    The story of Judas is perhaps the most telling one in the bible. Because it lays out for us all to see the willingness of men (and women) to betray their very souls for earthly shekels.

    http://www.etinside.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/PPT-Televangelists-and-Leading-Preachers.png

    It’s the Lutherans in Minnesota who’re also resettling the Somalis, just as Protestants all over the nation abase themselves to all things anti-Christ Israel.

    You’re right and in some ways protestant denominations can be even worse. Christians will be the first to denounce whites who act in their own interests and lecture us that Gawd doesn’t see race then turn right around and work to render race based aid and comfort to blacks and other non-whites.

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    You’re right and in some ways protestant denominations can be even worse
     
    yep

    occasionally I'll listen to them on the radio, morbid curiousity I guess

    the other day one of these evangelicals was explaining that we should encourage the Muslims from Africa to flood in because that way it gives Christians a chance to proselytize to these Muslims, who otherwise would be too far away to convert.

    I shit you not.

    It's obvious to me that they're not that dumb. They're corrupt. They've taken their shekels and now betray Christians and Christ. All for their sack of shekels.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3cY5n7v9X8
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  114. Bliss says:
    @Anon
    Until Saudi oil money -funded wahhabism burst onto the scene, the vast majority of Sunnis were engaged in some form of sufism, or followed sufi-based practices (folk religion). The idea that any significant percentage of sufis regarded themselves as anything other than Muslims, is absurd. They were the "true Muslims", until that was co-opted by fanatics from the Nejd.

    They were the “true Muslims”, until that was co-opted by fanatics from the Nejd.

    Sufis were the “true muslims” until 19th century Saudi Wahhabism? Are you nuts? Talk about absurd.

    Since when did whirling dervishes, tomb worshippers, mantra chanters et al become the “true muslims”? The true muslims, by definition, are those who strictly adhere to the beliefs and practices of Mohammad the Last Prophet, not those who follow the innovations of some Sufi Sheikhs.

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  115. @Rurik

    Jesus was white,
     
    no, Jesus was a Jew

    and there were no white European rabbis in the Levant during His sojourn on earth.

    So, as long as cucks like you continue to worship a Jew, as "God Himself", you're really the ultimate cuck, now aren't you?

    except that you don't vacate just he wombs of your women, to make room for the seed of interlopers, but you vacate the very throne of Valhalla, and cuck Them for a Jew to supersede over Them, the true Gods of the West

    https://image.slidesharecdn.com/thedarkages-110516094516-phpapp02/95/the-dark-ages-9-728.jpg?cb=1305539300

    supplanted and cucked by you Christians, that worship the very act of cucking = spreading the other cheek to your enemies.

    don't talk to me of 'cuck', Christian, who begs forgiveness for your vile, sinful existence, and lives on your knees as if prostrate obeisance was a virtue. Ha! (pathetic)

    my religion is one of exuberant self-affirmation, with homage to my ancestors.

    not whiny cuck apologies for having an earthy flesh to apologize for every minute, and repudiate the venerable passion one has for the opposite sex. The love and lust a man has for a beautiful women, is the most sublime wonder the Gods in their benevolence bestowed upon the mortal world. And you Christians bury it in an abased and groveling tomb of guilt. Unless of course, it's lust for little boys! then is seems there's no perversion too egregious in the Christian pursuit of homomania and importing Somali boys. With your gay marriage, and gay cakes, and gay priests galore...

    what a joke that the likes of you would presume to call someone a cuck.

    when you've cucked the very Gods from their thrones, and replaced them with a Jew- (~ not even of your blood) ~ to worship in His earthly flesh. Jesus how they must mock you in their synagogues, even as they ban your holiest of sacraments. But don't worry, you've spent so much time learning the covenants about spreading your cheeks, that they'll never get any real resistance from you Christians, except forgiveness for their sins against you. That you Christians know how to do!

    the ultimate, ultimate, sad, pathetic cucks

    you've cucked your very Gods, and cucked your very souls

    to the very people who despise you the most

    You really like flaunting your stupidity. There are 3 racial groups: Caucasoids, Mongoloids, Negroids. Europeans fall in the Caucasian group. Jesus was a Caucasian. He was not European but he was still white. You’ve gone from defending black/Asian popes to now being a European pagan. Such schizo writing is a symptom of something else. Are you involved with Asian women?

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    Laugh.

    "There are 3 racial groups: Caucasoids, Mongoloids, Negroids." You realize that they really aren't different races. They are just color tones of the same race, created by the same God and who care not a lick about skin color but the soul created in his image for whom Christ died and rose to restore to those that embrace him."
    , @Rurik

    Are you involved with Asian women?
     
    I love all women, of all races. The charms of a woman transcend ethnicity.

    Sawadee Khrup!
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  116. @Bliss

    I’m a cradle RCCer whose family has been RCC for hundreds of years. I left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes.......It is time for a new church for the West.
     
    Good luck with that. You were never really Christian to begin with. Nazism is not Christianity. Comprendre?

    How could you be ignorant of the fact that Ethiopia was a Christian nation many centuries before your ancestors were forced to renounce their european paganism? It was only in the 13th century that the Northern Crusade forced the last of the European barbarians to convert to Catholicism.

    Btw, chew on this:

    Then the LORD said, "Put your hand inside your cloak." So Moses put his hand into his cloak, and when he took it out, the skin was leprous --it had become as white as snow.
    (Exodus 4:6)

    Ah Bliss. You’re another one whose scribblings are all over the place. Are you a Muslim now? If yes, Islam is a Christian heresy. I’m dissing Mohammed (piss be upon him). Nazism is not Christianity? I comprende you are estupido. What would make you think I’m a Nazi? Separating from blacks/Asians/Jews doesn’t mean concentration camps. They have their own countries. I know about Ethiopia. When they converted there was still a Caucasian minority that was able to develop the religion. As they mixed more with blacks, they collapsed and that’s why they never went out converting. They lost their IQ. I know about the conversion of Northern European. And now you’re defending European pagans?

    I can’t blame God entirely for your craziness. He could have put something inside your mind, but before I blame Him, explain yourself in a logical, consistent manner. It’s tough and you might not be able to do it, but try.

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  117. @Anon
    Who needs Hell when we got 'gay marriage' in the West?

    And the Africanization of Europe will be hell on earth.

    sadly neitz is correct gods dead and we are better off without the slave morality. It may have sewrved us well for a long time that times over its open wound jews and niggers enter by

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  118. Whenever I consider reconsidering my Catholic roots, the Pope reminds me not to do so.

    No hell . . .

    That’s rich. If not for the somersaults trying to back track it would not be funny. But the somersaults make it worth the read and the laugh.

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  119. @attilathehen
    You would accept a black/Asian pope. You are a degenerate. The idea that we could not find a Caucasian male with a Christ like soul is so incredibly stupid - I can't even.

    You would OSCULUM INFAME black/Asian priests-popes. Where are you located? I live in an area "vibrating" with diversity and know that blacks/Asians cannot be a part of any of our churches in the West.

    Biology comes first, then beliefs. Christianity cannot help blacks/Asians. IQ is the starting point.

    I try to avoid the provocative just being provocative. You are of course kidding with these comments.

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    Actually, no. Provactive? No. Just trying to get logical answers from these meshuggah commentators.
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  120. @attilathehen
    You really like flaunting your stupidity. There are 3 racial groups: Caucasoids, Mongoloids, Negroids. Europeans fall in the Caucasian group. Jesus was a Caucasian. He was not European but he was still white. You've gone from defending black/Asian popes to now being a European pagan. Such schizo writing is a symptom of something else. Are you involved with Asian women?

    Laugh.

    “There are 3 racial groups: Caucasoids, Mongoloids, Negroids.” You realize that they really aren’t different races. They are just color tones of the same race, created by the same God and who care not a lick about skin color but the soul created in his image for whom Christ died and rose to restore to those that embrace him.”

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    The races are all human. However, IQ, which is related to race will separate us. I don't know why God made blacks/Asians. They are a bad reflection on Him. We will find out everything once we die. Blacks/Asians must have their own churches. I don't know where you live, but I live in an area vibrating with diversity. Diversity destroys. If you live in Iowa, Vermont, Idaho, move to Baltimore, Detroit, Ferguson. The negroids there need someone like you to help them. I'm sure they won't notice your skin color.
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  121. @EliteCommInc.
    I try to avoid the provocative just being provocative. You are of course kidding with these comments.

    Actually, no. Provactive? No. Just trying to get logical answers from these meshuggah commentators.

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    Laughing.


    You know the only references I can come up with in which Jesus uses a color descriptor as negative is when her refers the Jewish leadership as "whitewashed tombs".

    I am not sure white is as flattering a tone as you like to believe.
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  122. @EliteCommInc.
    Laugh.

    "There are 3 racial groups: Caucasoids, Mongoloids, Negroids." You realize that they really aren't different races. They are just color tones of the same race, created by the same God and who care not a lick about skin color but the soul created in his image for whom Christ died and rose to restore to those that embrace him."

    The races are all human. However, IQ, which is related to race will separate us. I don’t know why God made blacks/Asians. They are a bad reflection on Him. We will find out everything once we die. Blacks/Asians must have their own churches. I don’t know where you live, but I live in an area vibrating with diversity. Diversity destroys. If you live in Iowa, Vermont, Idaho, move to Baltimore, Detroit, Ferguson. The negroids there need someone like you to help them. I’m sure they won’t notice your skin color.

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    You are too humorous to take seriously. IQ and whiteness - I am still waiting for the DNA model. But let's skip the logical rationale to make that case and move on to something more substantial. Neither God nor Christ, nor a single apostle makes the distinctions you are attempting to make. In fact, Christ goes out of his way to reference the least of these and the meek, and the everything else to salvation except the smartest.



    "See those these lillies in the field, in all of their beauty yet, not even Solomon and all of his glory is arrayed as one these." And that was an entirely different species. Neither IQ nor color are part of God's qualities in play for being christian or pope (for those lean in papal direction).


    And as I recall, there has already been an African pope, to whit, I must question the smarts of one not having known previously that an african was pope and only now decries the practice. Now it is unlikely that he was black. but it would not be shocking to find that he was not white as you understand the term.

    i do think you are safe, God has a band of believers who embrace all manner of idea that Christ has no concern about.
    , @Bliss

    I don’t know why God made blacks/Asians. They are a bad reflection on Him. We will find out everything once we die. Blacks/Asians must have their own churches. I don’t know where you live, but I live in “an area vibrating with diversity. Diversity destroys.
     
    Yet another WN hypocrite.

    If “diversity destroys” why do you choose to live in “an area vibrating with diversity“? Is anyone forcing you to stay there?

    I don’t know what god you worship but it is obviously not the God who created this diverse world we live in.
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  123. Thirdeye says:

    Bottom line, the European Catholic establishment that Buchanan loves so much has sold doctrinal rigidity in place of moral relevance. On John Paul’s watch, the Church establishment turned a blind eye towards its own depravity and sold out its moral mission for favor with the various imperial power structures. That kind of crap was not what made the Church the conscience of Latin America. People aren’t so stupid as to not recognize the hypocrisy that was the trademark of the J-P era. The Church lost a lot of its following to Protestant denominations in Latin America when Mr. Big suppressed any real efforts to maintain true moral relevance. If the Francis era puts a renewed emphasis on moral relevance rather than the power politics shrouded in doctrinal “purity” favored by J-P, that would at least give the Church a fighting chance of remaining a worthwhile institution.

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  124. Dan Hayes says:
    @Liberty Mike
    Do you doubt that the SJWs and progressives have exaggerated the scope of the priest molestation / pedophilia scandal?

    Given that I tend to look at the world through the lens of the Duke Lacrosse case on issues of sexual assault, sexual harassment, and rape, I tend to discount the "harm" that cucky "victims" claim they have sustained because father touched their privates.

    Many years ago, in the summer of 1995, I was reading a Boston Globe Sunday Magazine piece concerning a "survivor" of the infamous father Porter. The man, aged 45 at the time of the Boston Globe story, claimed that father Porter had grabbed his buttocks, stroked his hair, and had put his hands on his crotch, which was covered by his pants, all when the man was 15 years of age. The man acknowledged that he did not have sex with father Porter, anal or otherwise. No sodomy. In fact, the man admitted that he had never taken off his clothes in father Porter's presence.

    Granted, father Porter was one nasty human being who did prey on younger boys. He did sexually assault young boys, including altar boys. He did sodomize boys.

    The guy insisted that father Porter had ruined his life as he had become an alcoholic and that he suffered from depression. He claimed that he could not maintain relationships and that he had trouble remaining employed for long periods of time.

    In my view, our society has fostered cuckiness - a view with which I think you would generally agree. Applied to the priest molestation phenomenon, one can see the cuckiness manifested by the likes of the 45 year old "victim" of father Porter.

    What type of man would allow his life to be ruined because, at 15, a priest touched his pecker or grabbed his ass?

    Liberty Mike:

    Your question: “What type of man would allow his life to be ruined because, at 15, a priest touched his pecker or grabbed his ass?”

    Answer: A man who wanted a large cash settlement from the Boston Archdiocese for his purported ruination!

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  125. bjondo says:
    @Anon
    How was Judas evil when he carried out the will of God?

    If not for his 'betrayal', there would be no Christianity.

    Besides, he killed himself which shows he felt remorse.

    Judas carried out the will of Judas.

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    Judas carried out the will of Judas.

    And he made Jesus a superstar.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-voeq7Cebo
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  126. @attilathehen
    The races are all human. However, IQ, which is related to race will separate us. I don't know why God made blacks/Asians. They are a bad reflection on Him. We will find out everything once we die. Blacks/Asians must have their own churches. I don't know where you live, but I live in an area vibrating with diversity. Diversity destroys. If you live in Iowa, Vermont, Idaho, move to Baltimore, Detroit, Ferguson. The negroids there need someone like you to help them. I'm sure they won't notice your skin color.

    You are too humorous to take seriously. IQ and whiteness – I am still waiting for the DNA model. But let’s skip the logical rationale to make that case and move on to something more substantial. Neither God nor Christ, nor a single apostle makes the distinctions you are attempting to make. In fact, Christ goes out of his way to reference the least of these and the meek, and the everything else to salvation except the smartest.

    “See those these lillies in the field, in all of their beauty yet, not even Solomon and all of his glory is arrayed as one these.” And that was an entirely different species. Neither IQ nor color are part of God’s qualities in play for being christian or pope (for those lean in papal direction).

    And as I recall, there has already been an African pope, to whit, I must question the smarts of one not having known previously that an african was pope and only now decries the practice. Now it is unlikely that he was black. but it would not be shocking to find that he was not white as you understand the term.

    i do think you are safe, God has a band of believers who embrace all manner of idea that Christ has no concern about.

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    Are you Rurik's twin? You sound just as stupid as him. The only African popes were North African Caucasians in the early stages of the church. They would have looked like St. Augustine. The Bible does not write about IQ, only wisdom and foolishness. At this point in history, we know "wisdom" is tied to IQ. We only know so much on earth. When we die, God's got's lots of 'splaining to do.
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  127. @attilathehen
    Actually, no. Provactive? No. Just trying to get logical answers from these meshuggah commentators.

    Laughing.

    You know the only references I can come up with in which Jesus uses a color descriptor as negative is when her refers the Jewish leadership as “whitewashed tombs”.

    I am not sure white is as flattering a tone as you like to believe.

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    He did say the Queen of the South would bear witness against the generation of 1st century Judea. That's probably Ethiopia. There's also the Ethiopian eunuch Philip converted.

    As for what Jesus looked like, that was Roman-occupied territory, and would had the usual hodge-podge of natives, ruling class, conscripts, and traders from other parts of the Empire. There would have been Germanic mercenaries, Greeks, occasional nomads and Bedouins, various Jewish tribes and sects all of whom thoroughly hated each other, Samaritans who thought they were Jewish but the mainstream folks said they weren't, people who still held to Mesopotamian fertility cults, and GOK what else. There would also have been the usual quota of rape-babies from various military actions.

    All we know is He looked more or less like anybody else and even folks in His home town thought He was nothing special--just as Isaiah had prophesied:

    2And he shall grow up as a tender plant before him, and as a root out of a thirsty ground: there is no beauty in him, nor comeliness: and we have seen him, and there was no sightliness, that we should be desirous of him:

    3Despised, and the most abject of men, a man of sorrows, and acquainted with infirmity: and his look was as it were hidden and despised, whereupon we esteemed him not.
     
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  128. @German_reader

    I don’t know about Germany, but in Hungary I have heard atheists criticizing the (at least nominally Christian) opponents of immigration as being “un-Christian.”
     
    Oh, of course that exists, it's very noticeable how even hardcore leftists (e.g. people who are basically commies and constantly going on how great it was in East Germany) discover "Christian values" and try to shame opponents of mass immigration by reference to them. Of course they're very selective with that though...would never happen regarding issues like abortion or homosexuality.

    Similarly, I can point out that Merkel’s actions are not exactly Christian. Because, objectively speaking, they aren’t.
     
    Many, many Christians would disagree with that, and I'm not sure they're wrong. We have to remember that Christianity for most of its history has been not least about forcing people into certain behaviours deemed moral, through close association with state authorities. It's not that big a leap to suggest that the same should now happen regarding the fight against "racism" (it becomes quite obvious at times...there was an incident that gained some media attention in 2015 or 2016 when a minor Christian Democrat politician basically told critics of the asylum system "If you don't accept that our society is run according to Christian values, you're free to leave Germany"...that's why reference to "Judeo-Christian values" or something of the sort is a double-edged sword at best for people like us).
    One of the core problems for me is that Christian morality at its origins was that of a marginal sect, expecting the end of the world it believed to be near, and very far removed from any political power. Now there may be a lot to admire about such ethics, but if you apply them naively to the running of a modern nation state, the results are likely to be disastrous, and unfortunately naive literalists seem to have become dominant in Western churches nowadays.

    But to repeat, the most important thing is that we need to convince Christians
     
    True, but I'm unsure about how best to do this (your charity argument is quite good though...but it won't work on the more authoritarian kind of left Christian who's into demonizing "racists" as Satanic). The only thing I can think of as a recommendation is that nationalists should avoid indulging explicitly anti-Christian atheist or neopagan ideas, even if the temptation to do so is obvious. But at least in northwestern Europe (certainly in Germany) some level of confrontation with the establishment churches is unavoidable.

    We have to remember that Christianity for most of its history has been not least about forcing people into certain behaviours deemed moral, through close association with state authorities.

    It’s a bit different. For example charity was precisely the moral deed which the Church consistently insisted on not making compulsory. The Church was even wary of some of the religious orders because of this. So historically what we can see today would have been considered a heresy throughout the centuries since at least Constantine the Great (and probably earlier, though earlier the Church might have been less unified on this or any other issue).

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    A lot of Christians today (including members of the hierarchy) unfortunately don't seem to grasp those nuances. But you're making very good points, thanks!
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  129. @reiner Tor

    We have to remember that Christianity for most of its history has been not least about forcing people into certain behaviours deemed moral, through close association with state authorities.
     
    It’s a bit different. For example charity was precisely the moral deed which the Church consistently insisted on not making compulsory. The Church was even wary of some of the religious orders because of this. So historically what we can see today would have been considered a heresy throughout the centuries since at least Constantine the Great (and probably earlier, though earlier the Church might have been less unified on this or any other issue).

    A lot of Christians today (including members of the hierarchy) unfortunately don’t seem to grasp those nuances. But you’re making very good points, thanks!

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    I think the explanation for why "forcing others to do charity" is different from "forcing others not to commit adultery" is that the former essentially involves theft (taking what belongs to the other) and only then can you do the charity. In other words, you commit both sin and virtue! But with the latter, you needn't commit any sins at all. You just stop a sin from taking place. So, "forcing others to be moral" is OK in general, but not when it comes to charity.

    Example: you take 10 billion from Bill Gates, and distribute it among the poor. Then you stole 10 billion (a sin) and did charity with 10 billion (a virtue, but a fake virtue, because it's intrinsically connected to the previous sin; especially if it's a virtue signaling, because then you are also prideful). As opposed to preventing someone from committing adultery: then you just prevent a sin.

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  130. Rurik says:
    @attilathehen
    You really like flaunting your stupidity. There are 3 racial groups: Caucasoids, Mongoloids, Negroids. Europeans fall in the Caucasian group. Jesus was a Caucasian. He was not European but he was still white. You've gone from defending black/Asian popes to now being a European pagan. Such schizo writing is a symptom of something else. Are you involved with Asian women?

    Are you involved with Asian women?

    I love all women, of all races. The charms of a woman transcend ethnicity.

    Sawadee Khrup!

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    I love all women, of all races. The charms of a woman transcend ethnicity.
     
    You damn betcha! However, it is amazing, to me, the amount of pure hatred of women, as "Woman" that goes on on-line. I don't know what it indicates, even. But, it sure do make me wonder sometimes.

    Be that as it may, I'm not attracted to Indian females -- more from personality than physiognomy. That's the best reason I know to differentiate "Asian" from "Oriental". What the hell were the SJWs thinking when they lumped all other non-negro peoples into "Asians"?
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  131. @Rurik

    Are you involved with Asian women?
     
    I love all women, of all races. The charms of a woman transcend ethnicity.

    Sawadee Khrup!

    I love all women, of all races. The charms of a woman transcend ethnicity.

    You damn betcha! However, it is amazing, to me, the amount of pure hatred of women, as “Woman” that goes on on-line. I don’t know what it indicates, even. But, it sure do make me wonder sometimes.

    Be that as it may, I’m not attracted to Indian females — more from personality than physiognomy. That’s the best reason I know to differentiate “Asian” from “Oriental”. What the hell were the SJWs thinking when they lumped all other non-negro peoples into “Asians”?

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    pure hatred of women, as “Woman” that goes on on-line. I don’t know what it indicates
     
    'incels'

    Also some of the extreme feminist bullshit doesn't help. These women pretend to care about the put-upon people of their gender, but then go crickets when things like Rotherham happen.

    They're rank hypocrites and full to the brim with hatred. So there's not much there to be enamored of. Still, I wouldn't want to live in a world without women. They're God's greatest gift to mankind. I worship their beauty, even as I mock their silliness.

    not attracted to Indian females — more from personality than physiognomy.

     

    hmm

    I confess I haven't known many, but one in particular, (well, she was a trini, but it's the same thing) was comely and genuinely nice.

    as for personality, I'd say American feminists are the worst. Then some black women.

    But mostly I love them all. Black, white and everything in between. But I will confess that I do prefer a beautiful white women, perhaps because I'm white too, or because they really are the epitome of creation.

    noting on this planet comes as close to pure, ethereal exquisiteness

    but then, we're all bias

    http://www.bellazon.com/main/uploads/monthly_08_2012/post-27165-0-29865200-1345981854.jpg
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    . That’s the best reason I know to differentiate “Asian” from “Oriental”. What the hell were the SJWs thinking when they lumped all other non-negro peoples into “Asians”?
     
    They don't know any geography and can't get from one side of town to another without an artificial stupidity device?

    You won't get very far on this site trying to explain the value of the simplest, traditional term for people from the "far East", the Orientals, even to most of the smart people. I'm not sure how it's a slur - I don't mind being called a "Westerner". I guess geography is mean, or something.
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  132. @EliteCommInc.
    You are too humorous to take seriously. IQ and whiteness - I am still waiting for the DNA model. But let's skip the logical rationale to make that case and move on to something more substantial. Neither God nor Christ, nor a single apostle makes the distinctions you are attempting to make. In fact, Christ goes out of his way to reference the least of these and the meek, and the everything else to salvation except the smartest.



    "See those these lillies in the field, in all of their beauty yet, not even Solomon and all of his glory is arrayed as one these." And that was an entirely different species. Neither IQ nor color are part of God's qualities in play for being christian or pope (for those lean in papal direction).


    And as I recall, there has already been an African pope, to whit, I must question the smarts of one not having known previously that an african was pope and only now decries the practice. Now it is unlikely that he was black. but it would not be shocking to find that he was not white as you understand the term.

    i do think you are safe, God has a band of believers who embrace all manner of idea that Christ has no concern about.

    Are you Rurik’s twin? You sound just as stupid as him. The only African popes were North African Caucasians in the early stages of the church. They would have looked like St. Augustine. The Bible does not write about IQ, only wisdom and foolishness. At this point in history, we know “wisdom” is tied to IQ. We only know so much on earth. When we die, God’s got’s lots of ‘splaining to do.

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    As I noted previously, avoiding provocative commentors is best avoided. I think if you read my comments you will see that I noted the issue of skin color.


    Wisdom and IQ are two separate concepts. Wisdom is as to discernment. It may or may not be accompanied IQ which is a modern concept. Intelligence and wisdom are not by definition or as practice and experienced linked. Noone doubts the intelligence of say Pres, Jefferson, yet he failed to educate his slaves, for a future with the slavery he fought against for himself.

    No wisdom and intelligence are two very different coins indeed. And salvation has nothing to do with wisdom, IQ or status . . . that is a matter of faith.

    And the foolishness of the cross is every person's salvation.

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  133. @German_reader
    A lot of Christians today (including members of the hierarchy) unfortunately don't seem to grasp those nuances. But you're making very good points, thanks!

    I think the explanation for why “forcing others to do charity” is different from “forcing others not to commit adultery” is that the former essentially involves theft (taking what belongs to the other) and only then can you do the charity. In other words, you commit both sin and virtue! But with the latter, you needn’t commit any sins at all. You just stop a sin from taking place. So, “forcing others to be moral” is OK in general, but not when it comes to charity.

    [MORE]

    Example: you take 10 billion from Bill Gates, and distribute it among the poor. Then you stole 10 billion (a sin) and did charity with 10 billion (a virtue, but a fake virtue, because it’s intrinsically connected to the previous sin; especially if it’s a virtue signaling, because then you are also prideful). As opposed to preventing someone from committing adultery: then you just prevent a sin.

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  134. TheJester says:

    If Pope Francis declares that Hell doesn’t exist, where does the Devil reside? Recall that Pope Francis warned us not to talk to the Devil because he can too easily fool people. If the Devil exists but Hell doesn’t, is the Devil (like Moslem refugees) a homeless spirit in need of Christian charity?

    It seems there is a serious inconsistency on the part of Pope Francis that needs to be explained.

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  135. @attilathehen
    Are you Rurik's twin? You sound just as stupid as him. The only African popes were North African Caucasians in the early stages of the church. They would have looked like St. Augustine. The Bible does not write about IQ, only wisdom and foolishness. At this point in history, we know "wisdom" is tied to IQ. We only know so much on earth. When we die, God's got's lots of 'splaining to do.

    As I noted previously, avoiding provocative commentors is best avoided. I think if you read my comments you will see that I noted the issue of skin color.

    Wisdom and IQ are two separate concepts. Wisdom is as to discernment. It may or may not be accompanied IQ which is a modern concept. Intelligence and wisdom are not by definition or as practice and experienced linked. Noone doubts the intelligence of say Pres, Jefferson, yet he failed to educate his slaves, for a future with the slavery he fought against for himself.

    No wisdom and intelligence are two very different coins indeed. And salvation has nothing to do with wisdom, IQ or status . . . that is a matter of faith.

    And the foolishness of the cross is every person’s salvation.

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    No wisdom and intelligence are two very different coins indeed.
     
    Amen.

    And salvation has nothing to do with wisdom, IQ or status . . . that is a matter of faith.
     
    Amen - as one shaykh noted, it is in keeping with Divine Justice that He makes Himself knowable to the intelligent and the stupid. The crux of the matter is not so much the mind (which is the locus of the intellect), but the heart (which is the locus of faith and character).

    If you've met people with Down's Syndrome; they can be some of the most delightful people on the planet.

    Peace.
    , @attilathehen
    "avoiding provocative commentors," if this applies to me, I'll take the description. If I'm provocative, it's because I deal with objective truth. I still can't believe the nonsense you type. "Noone doubts the intelligence of say Pres, Jefferson..." That you would post such an assertion about one of the Founders of country, and juxtapose it against low IQ blacks - I CAN'T EVEN!!! Wisdom is related to IQ. Read the Bell Curve. You keep avoiding this topic because I have posted facts you cannot rebut. The communion wafer does not work for blacks/Asians. Compare RCC Haiti to WASP USA. Compare RCC El Salvador to WASP USA. The commentator anarchyst has not responded to my question about whether he would accept a black/Asian pope. You cannot deal with the most important objective biological truth - IQ which is tied to race which deal with morality. An IQ of 85 and below is tied to criminal behavior. A country needs a population with an IQ of 90+ to function. The RCC is now predominatly black/Asian. Put a fork in it, it's done. The Orthodox Church with its racial/ethnic churches is the only hope for the West.
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  136. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @bjondo
    Judas carried out the will of Judas.

    Judas carried out the will of Judas.

    And he made Jesus a superstar.

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    And you did all this on your own.
    And I responded on my own.
    As for the video, no sound, no time.
    Thanks, anyway
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  137. Talha says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    As I noted previously, avoiding provocative commentors is best avoided. I think if you read my comments you will see that I noted the issue of skin color.


    Wisdom and IQ are two separate concepts. Wisdom is as to discernment. It may or may not be accompanied IQ which is a modern concept. Intelligence and wisdom are not by definition or as practice and experienced linked. Noone doubts the intelligence of say Pres, Jefferson, yet he failed to educate his slaves, for a future with the slavery he fought against for himself.

    No wisdom and intelligence are two very different coins indeed. And salvation has nothing to do with wisdom, IQ or status . . . that is a matter of faith.

    And the foolishness of the cross is every person's salvation.

    No wisdom and intelligence are two very different coins indeed.

    Amen.

    And salvation has nothing to do with wisdom, IQ or status . . . that is a matter of faith.

    Amen – as one shaykh noted, it is in keeping with Divine Justice that He makes Himself knowable to the intelligent and the stupid. The crux of the matter is not so much the mind (which is the locus of the intellect), but the heart (which is the locus of faith and character).

    If you’ve met people with Down’s Syndrome; they can be some of the most delightful people on the planet.

    Peace.

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    Talha, just a reminder. You are Pakistani (Asian), Muslim (Christian heretic) and your home country has an average IQ of 84. I will help to take care of Caucasian Down Syndrome people. This is my Christian duty. You have your duty to Pakistan.
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  138. Correction:

    Noone doubts the intelligence of say Pres. Jefferson, yet he failed to educate his slaves, for a future without the slavery he fought against for himself.

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  139. Bill says:
    @Crawfurdmuir

    Who would you rather have governing the Church in China: Jorge Bergoglio or Xi Jinping?
     
    The difficulties of the Roman Catholic Church in China have many historical parallels. There was always conflict between the Church's assertion of its independence and the claims of the secular power. Thomas à Becket was murdered as a result of his resistance to the Constitutions of Clarendon, by which Henry II gave common-law courts original jurisdiction over the acts of "criminous clerks." Henry's son John later came into conflict with the Church over his preferred candidate for the archbishopric of Canterbury, and ended up being excommunicated. The mediaeval conflict between Guelph and Ghibelline arose between supporters of the papacy and those of the Holy Roman Empire.

    The Church resolved such disagreements in other cases by means of concordats. A typical subject of concordats dealt with the right of presentation to bishoprics. Thus, for example, the Concordat of Bologna of 1516 gave the kings of France the right to choose archbishops, bishops, abbots, and priors within his kingdom. A similar concordat was made between Francoist Spain and the Church as recently as 1953.

    Normally the Church made such concordats with powers that were at least nominally Catholic, in the case of France leading to the development of Gallicanism. A theory called Febronianism developed in Germany that went beyond Gallicanism and challenged the monarchical nature of the papacy. Yet this, too, was a phenomenon internal to Catholicism.

    The distinction in the case of China is that the right of presentation to bishoprics is apparently going to be vested in a government that is not only not Catholic, but not even Christian. I cannot see this ending well for the Church.

    And what should we call this government-controlled church? May I suggest "Garrican" or "Feblonian"?

    Agree completely. I was mostly having fun. Bergoglio won’t always be in Peter’s chair, and Xi won’t always be Emperor.

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  140. @EliteCommInc.
    Laughing.


    You know the only references I can come up with in which Jesus uses a color descriptor as negative is when her refers the Jewish leadership as "whitewashed tombs".

    I am not sure white is as flattering a tone as you like to believe.

    He did say the Queen of the South would bear witness against the generation of 1st century Judea. That’s probably Ethiopia. There’s also the Ethiopian eunuch Philip converted.

    As for what Jesus looked like, that was Roman-occupied territory, and would had the usual hodge-podge of natives, ruling class, conscripts, and traders from other parts of the Empire. There would have been Germanic mercenaries, Greeks, occasional nomads and Bedouins, various Jewish tribes and sects all of whom thoroughly hated each other, Samaritans who thought they were Jewish but the mainstream folks said they weren’t, people who still held to Mesopotamian fertility cults, and GOK what else. There would also have been the usual quota of rape-babies from various military actions.

    All we know is He looked more or less like anybody else and even folks in His home town thought He was nothing special–just as Isaiah had prophesied:

    2And he shall grow up as a tender plant before him, and as a root out of a thirsty ground: there is no beauty in him, nor comeliness: and we have seen him, and there was no sightliness, that we should be desirous of him:

    3Despised, and the most abject of men, a man of sorrows, and acquainted with infirmity: and his look was as it were hidden and despised, whereupon we esteemed him not.

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    uh oh,



    I don't have any issues with what Christ looked like. While interesting, most discussions about color as to value don't carry much weight with me. I think your understanding is correct, according to scripture, Christ didn't have the looks one would fancy or e envious of.


    Our discussion was to whether skin color, or intelligence are indicators of papal spiritual corruption.

    I think you'll have to take up your description with those westerners who fashion Christ the a white male super model.

    I think scripture's point is that it didn't matter.
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  141. @Bill

    The capitulation is necessary for the Catholic Church in China to survive and prosper, argues the Vatican. But what kind of church will it become, asks retired Archbishop Joseph Zen Ze-kiun of Hong Kong.
     
    Who would you rather have governing the Church in China: Jorge Bergoglio or Xi Jinping?

    Well, Jorge is more of a Marxist. And I hear Xi likes women. So those are two differences right there.

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  142. @H. S.
    The Pope denounced the NATO, i.e. the merchants of death. The BEAST.


    Pope Francis: ‘Arms manufacturers are merchants of death’

    The Pope also denounces those responsible for human trafficking and slave labour.


    ''The Pope told the crowds gathered in St Peter’s Square that people producing weapons of war are “merchants of death”.

    “One day everything comes to an end and they will be held accountable to God,” he said.''



    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2014/06/11/pope-francis-arms-manufacturers-are-merchants-of-death/

    Do Miss Bergoglio’s bodyguards and Vatican City police carry guns? If so, I’m sure he will be disarming them aaaaaany day now.

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  143. @Anon
    There is a division inside Catholicism that is widening, between a Third World and traditional church that are growing, and a mainstream Church in Europe and here that is taking on aspects of the Anglican Church of the 20th century.

    Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

    It's either traditionalism via Africanization or degeneration via quasi-secularization.

    But the, even the inclusion that led to third worldization is the product of white deracination.

    Btw, go with the Communist Party church in China. It is less likely to celebrate homomania

    There’s also that other obscure little option called Protestantism — find some non-cucked conservative or traditional congregation. Or the Eastern Orthodox Churches.

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  144. @Bliss

    so if your definition of it is that only non-Muslims or heretics can be Sufis, well good for you I say! It’s the 21st century; people are declaring their own gender
     
    Firstly, Sufis don’t have the liberty to declare themselves non-muslim. Because: “If someone leaves the religion, kill him” (Mohammad, the Last Prophet). The danger of being killed for heresy is bad enough.

    Secondly, the fact that you keep declaring yourself a Sufi, who follows a lineage, exposes you to the charge of heresy. For Mohammad did not teach Sufism, and he was the last messenger of Allah.

    though the majority are Sunni.
     
    The majority of Muslims self-identify as Sunni. The majority of persecutors and killers of sufis are also Sunni. So?

    Sunnis by definition cannot be Shi’as and vice versa. So the fact that there are sufis who are Sunni and sufis who are Shi’a shows that Sufism is fundamentally quite different from mainstream Islam.

    They see Sufism less as a sect than as a way of being, a set of beliefs and practices that lead followers closer to God.
     
    Right. And that clearly shows how very different they are from the true Muslims. Their beliefs and practices incite the followers of Mohammad, the Last Prophet.

    What DOESN’T incite the followers of the warlord prophet.

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  145. Rurik says:
    @Steve Gittelson

    I love all women, of all races. The charms of a woman transcend ethnicity.
     
    You damn betcha! However, it is amazing, to me, the amount of pure hatred of women, as "Woman" that goes on on-line. I don't know what it indicates, even. But, it sure do make me wonder sometimes.

    Be that as it may, I'm not attracted to Indian females -- more from personality than physiognomy. That's the best reason I know to differentiate "Asian" from "Oriental". What the hell were the SJWs thinking when they lumped all other non-negro peoples into "Asians"?

    pure hatred of women, as “Woman” that goes on on-line. I don’t know what it indicates

    ‘incels’

    Also some of the extreme feminist bullshit doesn’t help. These women pretend to care about the put-upon people of their gender, but then go crickets when things like Rotherham happen.

    They’re rank hypocrites and full to the brim with hatred. So there’s not much there to be enamored of. Still, I wouldn’t want to live in a world without women. They’re God’s greatest gift to mankind. I worship their beauty, even as I mock their silliness.

    not attracted to Indian females — more from personality than physiognomy.

    hmm

    I confess I haven’t known many, but one in particular, (well, she was a trini, but it’s the same thing) was comely and genuinely nice.

    as for personality, I’d say American feminists are the worst. Then some black women.

    But mostly I love them all. Black, white and everything in between. But I will confess that I do prefer a beautiful white women, perhaps because I’m white too, or because they really are the epitome of creation.

    noting on this planet comes as close to pure, ethereal exquisiteness

    but then, we’re all bias

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  146. @Rosamond Vincy
    He did say the Queen of the South would bear witness against the generation of 1st century Judea. That's probably Ethiopia. There's also the Ethiopian eunuch Philip converted.

    As for what Jesus looked like, that was Roman-occupied territory, and would had the usual hodge-podge of natives, ruling class, conscripts, and traders from other parts of the Empire. There would have been Germanic mercenaries, Greeks, occasional nomads and Bedouins, various Jewish tribes and sects all of whom thoroughly hated each other, Samaritans who thought they were Jewish but the mainstream folks said they weren't, people who still held to Mesopotamian fertility cults, and GOK what else. There would also have been the usual quota of rape-babies from various military actions.

    All we know is He looked more or less like anybody else and even folks in His home town thought He was nothing special--just as Isaiah had prophesied:

    2And he shall grow up as a tender plant before him, and as a root out of a thirsty ground: there is no beauty in him, nor comeliness: and we have seen him, and there was no sightliness, that we should be desirous of him:

    3Despised, and the most abject of men, a man of sorrows, and acquainted with infirmity: and his look was as it were hidden and despised, whereupon we esteemed him not.
     

    uh oh,

    I don’t have any issues with what Christ looked like. While interesting, most discussions about color as to value don’t carry much weight with me. I think your understanding is correct, according to scripture, Christ didn’t have the looks one would fancy or e envious of.

    Our discussion was to whether skin color, or intelligence are indicators of papal spiritual corruption.

    I think you’ll have to take up your description with those westerners who fashion Christ the a white male super model.

    I think scripture’s point is that it didn’t matter.

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    "Our discussion was to whether skin color, or intelligence are indicators of papal spiritual corruption."

    That I wouldn't know. We do know that the first pope, Peter, was Jewish, but we don't know what he looked like either. Probably muscular and sunburned, since he was a fisherman.

    As to how intelligent he was, after the Resurrection, the priests and scribes tried to intimidate him by pointing out his lack of education, but it didn't faze him a bit. This is even more amazing if you know how much formal training orators in the ancient world needed to get to be any good. It wouldn't be enough to study Scripture (Peter might not have been able to read or write, possibly dictated his Epistle to a professional scribe, although he probably memorized some Scripture). There are techniques of arranging and delivering a speech--vocal inflections, gestures, expressions, eye contact--that had been taught by Aristotle, Cicero, etc. For Peter to go from a guy who could handle a knife fight but not a trial, to someone who could speak so persuasively the members of the Sanhedrin were afraid of him would have registered as a small miracle in those days.

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  147. @ElitecommInc.
    uh oh,



    I don't have any issues with what Christ looked like. While interesting, most discussions about color as to value don't carry much weight with me. I think your understanding is correct, according to scripture, Christ didn't have the looks one would fancy or e envious of.


    Our discussion was to whether skin color, or intelligence are indicators of papal spiritual corruption.

    I think you'll have to take up your description with those westerners who fashion Christ the a white male super model.

    I think scripture's point is that it didn't matter.

    “Our discussion was to whether skin color, or intelligence are indicators of papal spiritual corruption.”

    That I wouldn’t know. We do know that the first pope, Peter, was Jewish, but we don’t know what he looked like either. Probably muscular and sunburned, since he was a fisherman.

    As to how intelligent he was, after the Resurrection, the priests and scribes tried to intimidate him by pointing out his lack of education, but it didn’t faze him a bit. This is even more amazing if you know how much formal training orators in the ancient world needed to get to be any good. It wouldn’t be enough to study Scripture (Peter might not have been able to read or write, possibly dictated his Epistle to a professional scribe, although he probably memorized some Scripture). There are techniques of arranging and delivering a speech–vocal inflections, gestures, expressions, eye contact–that had been taught by Aristotle, Cicero, etc. For Peter to go from a guy who could handle a knife fight but not a trial, to someone who could speak so persuasively the members of the Sanhedrin were afraid of him would have registered as a small miracle in those days.

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    Appreciate your perspective.


    But no discussion of Peter is actually pertinent to the discussion prior.

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  148. @Rosamond Vincy
    "Our discussion was to whether skin color, or intelligence are indicators of papal spiritual corruption."

    That I wouldn't know. We do know that the first pope, Peter, was Jewish, but we don't know what he looked like either. Probably muscular and sunburned, since he was a fisherman.

    As to how intelligent he was, after the Resurrection, the priests and scribes tried to intimidate him by pointing out his lack of education, but it didn't faze him a bit. This is even more amazing if you know how much formal training orators in the ancient world needed to get to be any good. It wouldn't be enough to study Scripture (Peter might not have been able to read or write, possibly dictated his Epistle to a professional scribe, although he probably memorized some Scripture). There are techniques of arranging and delivering a speech--vocal inflections, gestures, expressions, eye contact--that had been taught by Aristotle, Cicero, etc. For Peter to go from a guy who could handle a knife fight but not a trial, to someone who could speak so persuasively the members of the Sanhedrin were afraid of him would have registered as a small miracle in those days.

    Appreciate your perspective.

    But no discussion of Peter is actually pertinent to the discussion prior.

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    It is. You're talking about the ethnicity of Popes, are you not? You are also discussing what effect a good or bad Pope can have on the Church.

    Napoleon supposedly told the Pope, "I could destroy the Church in one year." A cardinal replied to Napoleon, "Sir, our own clergy have been trying to destroy the Church for 1800 years. I doubt that you will be able to destroy it in one."

    And then there's The Decameron, Day 1, Story 2.

    If God isn't watching the Church, then a good Pope can't save it. If God is watching the Church, then a bad Pope can't stop it.
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  149. @DB Cooper
    "If there is no hell, is not the greatest deterrent to the worst of sins removed?"

    No, not at all. Religion is one of the sources of human violence. For, if you think you are doing God's work, anything can be justified, including the extermination of a people. Nobel laureate physicist Stephen Weinberg sums it up correctly, "Without religion good people do good things, bad people do bad things, only with religion does good people do bad things".

    “Without religion good people do good things, bad people do bad things, only with religion does good people do bad things”.

    Communism is without religion – exclusively materialistic and proud to assert so. How does it fit into the above formulation?

    Were good people doing good things when Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, et al., and their followers, slaughtered millions? Eric Hobsbawm thought so even after the fall of the Soviet Union, and said that the deaths of millions of Soviet citizens under Stalin would have been worth it if a genuine Communist society had been the result.

    Or were they just bad people doing bad things?

    Or were there, among all those committed communists, people who, even if bad in the outcomes they actually achieved, had nonetheless convinced themselves that what they were doing was in the service of the highest moral principles?

    And if that be true, and also true that only with religion do good people do bad things, does that therefore make Communism a religion, despite its professed rejection of God or anything supernatural?

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  150. @EliteCommInc.
    Appreciate your perspective.


    But no discussion of Peter is actually pertinent to the discussion prior.

    It is. You’re talking about the ethnicity of Popes, are you not? You are also discussing what effect a good or bad Pope can have on the Church.

    Napoleon supposedly told the Pope, “I could destroy the Church in one year.” A cardinal replied to Napoleon, “Sir, our own clergy have been trying to destroy the Church for 1800 years. I doubt that you will be able to destroy it in one.”

    And then there’s The Decameron, Day 1, Story 2.

    If God isn’t watching the Church, then a good Pope can’t save it. If God is watching the Church, then a bad Pope can’t stop it.

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    If God isn’t watching the Church, then a good Pope can’t save it. If God is watching the Church, then a bad Pope can’t stop it.
     
    Beautiful! That's the faith that seems sorely lacking in much of the Christian world. If you truly believe God is in charge and has His Hand over the faithful and His religion, there simply is no room for despair or despondency - it simply doesn't fit into the equation. Concern or caution? Sure - but never despair. And if that despair is there, then make no doubt about it - the faith is gone - it's just a carcass walking, making the motions...

    "...and do not despair of receiving comfort from God; only the people that do not believe despair of receiving comfort from Him." (12:87)

    Peace.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    Your comments introduce the establishment of Peter as Pope. That is not the same thing as ethnicity. The national and ethnic origins of Peter, a disciple of Christ and one of the original twelve apostles was Jewish - we were not entertaining that aspect.

    The only relevant comment would be to Peter's education or lack thereof -- but again education.


    In relationship to skin color, intelligence for salvation a non-sequitur.

    No. The discussion as to the papacy was qualification via skin color, and ethnicity. i am avoiding the introduction of the validity of the papacy to the church as the body of christ which exceeds the established catholic faith -- that discussion is not part of the discussion prior. As to qualification for salvation or service to the body of christ

    there is no indication that skin color, ethnicity, IQ are required.

    That was the nature of our exchange.

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  151. bjondo says:
    @Anon
    Judas carried out the will of Judas.

    And he made Jesus a superstar.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-voeq7Cebo

    And you did all this on your own.
    And I responded on my own.
    As for the video, no sound, no time.
    Thanks, anyway

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  152. bjondo says:
    @Begemot
    Without Judas maybe it would have been done by 'Immaculate Crucifixion'?

    I agree with your point. Judas was an instrument of God's will to achieve a Divine goal. To condemn him is most unjust. So far none of your respondents have bothered to address your point. Which is not at all surprising.

    And you did all this on your own.
    And I responded on my own.
    And Jesus came against the evil in Palestine. Then as now the center of evil in the world. HQ to Satan and his children.
    Chose Satan or choose God.
    Judas not needed.
    As for the video, no sound, no time.

    Thanks, anyway

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  153. Talha says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    It is. You're talking about the ethnicity of Popes, are you not? You are also discussing what effect a good or bad Pope can have on the Church.

    Napoleon supposedly told the Pope, "I could destroy the Church in one year." A cardinal replied to Napoleon, "Sir, our own clergy have been trying to destroy the Church for 1800 years. I doubt that you will be able to destroy it in one."

    And then there's The Decameron, Day 1, Story 2.

    If God isn't watching the Church, then a good Pope can't save it. If God is watching the Church, then a bad Pope can't stop it.

    If God isn’t watching the Church, then a good Pope can’t save it. If God is watching the Church, then a bad Pope can’t stop it.

    Beautiful! That’s the faith that seems sorely lacking in much of the Christian world. If you truly believe God is in charge and has His Hand over the faithful and His religion, there simply is no room for despair or despondency – it simply doesn’t fit into the equation. Concern or caution? Sure – but never despair. And if that despair is there, then make no doubt about it – the faith is gone – it’s just a carcass walking, making the motions…

    “…and do not despair of receiving comfort from God; only the people that do not believe despair of receiving comfort from Him.” (12:87)

    Peace.

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  154. @Steve Gittelson

    I love all women, of all races. The charms of a woman transcend ethnicity.
     
    You damn betcha! However, it is amazing, to me, the amount of pure hatred of women, as "Woman" that goes on on-line. I don't know what it indicates, even. But, it sure do make me wonder sometimes.

    Be that as it may, I'm not attracted to Indian females -- more from personality than physiognomy. That's the best reason I know to differentiate "Asian" from "Oriental". What the hell were the SJWs thinking when they lumped all other non-negro peoples into "Asians"?

    . That’s the best reason I know to differentiate “Asian” from “Oriental”. What the hell were the SJWs thinking when they lumped all other non-negro peoples into “Asians”?

    They don’t know any geography and can’t get from one side of town to another without an artificial stupidity device?

    You won’t get very far on this site trying to explain the value of the simplest, traditional term for people from the “far East”, the Orientals, even to most of the smart people. I’m not sure how it’s a slur – I don’t mind being called a “Westerner”. I guess geography is mean, or something.

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  155. bjondo says:
    @bjondo
    And you did all this on your own.
    And I responded on my own.
    And Jesus came against the evil in Palestine. Then as now the center of evil in the world. HQ to Satan and his children.
    Chose Satan or choose God.
    Judas not needed.
    As for the video, no sound, no time.

    Thanks, anyway

    some problem with computer. ignore video line.

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  156. Rurik says:
    @KenH

    It’s the Lutherans in Minnesota who’re also resettling the Somalis, just as Protestants all over the nation abase themselves to all things anti-Christ Israel.
     
    You're right and in some ways protestant denominations can be even worse. Christians will be the first to denounce whites who act in their own interests and lecture us that Gawd doesn't see race then turn right around and work to render race based aid and comfort to blacks and other non-whites.

    You’re right and in some ways protestant denominations can be even worse

    yep

    occasionally I’ll listen to them on the radio, morbid curiousity I guess

    the other day one of these evangelicals was explaining that we should encourage the Muslims from Africa to flood in because that way it gives Christians a chance to proselytize to these Muslims, who otherwise would be too far away to convert.

    I shit you not.

    It’s obvious to me that they’re not that dumb. They’re corrupt. They’ve taken their shekels and now betray Christians and Christ. All for their sack of shekels.

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    because that way it gives Christians a chance to proselytize to these Muslims, who otherwise would be too far away to convert.
     
    Then it confirms one of my theories that Christians are supporting the invasion because native attendance and interest is declining and they think Muslims and other third world groups will happily convert to Christianity and solve the problem. It doesn't work that way with Muslims and not only will they violently resist but forcibly attempt to convert the fat head Christians who subscribe to this reality averse worldview.
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  157. @Rosamond Vincy
    It is. You're talking about the ethnicity of Popes, are you not? You are also discussing what effect a good or bad Pope can have on the Church.

    Napoleon supposedly told the Pope, "I could destroy the Church in one year." A cardinal replied to Napoleon, "Sir, our own clergy have been trying to destroy the Church for 1800 years. I doubt that you will be able to destroy it in one."

    And then there's The Decameron, Day 1, Story 2.

    If God isn't watching the Church, then a good Pope can't save it. If God is watching the Church, then a bad Pope can't stop it.

    Your comments introduce the establishment of Peter as Pope. That is not the same thing as ethnicity. The national and ethnic origins of Peter, a disciple of Christ and one of the original twelve apostles was Jewish – we were not entertaining that aspect.

    The only relevant comment would be to Peter’s education or lack thereof — but again education.

    In relationship to skin color, intelligence for salvation a non-sequitur.

    No. The discussion as to the papacy was qualification via skin color, and ethnicity. i am avoiding the introduction of the validity of the papacy to the church as the body of christ which exceeds the established catholic faith — that discussion is not part of the discussion prior. As to qualification for salvation or service to the body of christ

    there is no indication that skin color, ethnicity, IQ are required.

    That was the nature of our exchange.

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    Caveat:



    When Christ entered into the service of christ --- his ethnicity was utterly without merit or issue.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    I'm not sure we really disagree here. I actually think my position is closer to yours than it is to Attila's. God has picked some pretty strange people to make His point, so I hesitate to question His judgment.
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  158. @EliteCommInc.
    Your comments introduce the establishment of Peter as Pope. That is not the same thing as ethnicity. The national and ethnic origins of Peter, a disciple of Christ and one of the original twelve apostles was Jewish - we were not entertaining that aspect.

    The only relevant comment would be to Peter's education or lack thereof -- but again education.


    In relationship to skin color, intelligence for salvation a non-sequitur.

    No. The discussion as to the papacy was qualification via skin color, and ethnicity. i am avoiding the introduction of the validity of the papacy to the church as the body of christ which exceeds the established catholic faith -- that discussion is not part of the discussion prior. As to qualification for salvation or service to the body of christ

    there is no indication that skin color, ethnicity, IQ are required.

    That was the nature of our exchange.

    Caveat:

    When Christ entered into the service of christ — his ethnicity was utterly without merit or issue.

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  159. @EliteCommInc.
    Your comments introduce the establishment of Peter as Pope. That is not the same thing as ethnicity. The national and ethnic origins of Peter, a disciple of Christ and one of the original twelve apostles was Jewish - we were not entertaining that aspect.

    The only relevant comment would be to Peter's education or lack thereof -- but again education.


    In relationship to skin color, intelligence for salvation a non-sequitur.

    No. The discussion as to the papacy was qualification via skin color, and ethnicity. i am avoiding the introduction of the validity of the papacy to the church as the body of christ which exceeds the established catholic faith -- that discussion is not part of the discussion prior. As to qualification for salvation or service to the body of christ

    there is no indication that skin color, ethnicity, IQ are required.

    That was the nature of our exchange.

    I’m not sure we really disagree here. I actually think my position is closer to yours than it is to Attila’s. God has picked some pretty strange people to make His point, so I hesitate to question His judgment.

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    Laughing. I suspect that the commenter you are referencing is being a tad over the top facetious.

    It is a good idea to walk lightly on issues of faith.
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  160. Bad souls “are not punished,” Pope Francis is quoted, “those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls.”

    This comports with the doctrine of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I don’t recall the scriptural reference. Perhaps a local JW will provide it.

    Sorry if this has already been discussed. I got here late and have not read the thread.

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    Laugh. Well, the Pope will just have to take that up with Christ who referenced hell more than.

    Luke 16:19-30.

    I am sure what the Pope was doing walking treading lightly so as not scare people away from coming to Christ. This is not uncommon among people of faith. There's plenty of time to remind one another about hell. Not a single Gospel starts with the tales about hell.

    I am giving the Pope a hard time here, but I think I get his drift.
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  161. @Talha

    No wisdom and intelligence are two very different coins indeed.
     
    Amen.

    And salvation has nothing to do with wisdom, IQ or status . . . that is a matter of faith.
     
    Amen - as one shaykh noted, it is in keeping with Divine Justice that He makes Himself knowable to the intelligent and the stupid. The crux of the matter is not so much the mind (which is the locus of the intellect), but the heart (which is the locus of faith and character).

    If you've met people with Down's Syndrome; they can be some of the most delightful people on the planet.

    Peace.

    Talha, just a reminder. You are Pakistani (Asian), Muslim (Christian heretic) and your home country has an average IQ of 84. I will help to take care of Caucasian Down Syndrome people. This is my Christian duty. You have your duty to Pakistan.

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    Thanks for the reminder; we are retards, so we appreciate all the help we can get. It’s nice that people are willing to go out of their way to help us.

    Peace.

    PS. Since you are into public service announcements, please remind all the nice High-IQ white people to have kids, because - well, y’know...
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  162. @WorkingClass

    Bad souls “are not punished,” Pope Francis is quoted, “those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls.”
     
    This comports with the doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses. I don't recall the scriptural reference. Perhaps a local JW will provide it.

    Sorry if this has already been discussed. I got here late and have not read the thread.

    Laugh. Well, the Pope will just have to take that up with Christ who referenced hell more than.

    Luke 16:19-30.

    I am sure what the Pope was doing walking treading lightly so as not scare people away from coming to Christ. This is not uncommon among people of faith. There’s plenty of time to remind one another about hell. Not a single Gospel starts with the tales about hell.

    I am giving the Pope a hard time here, but I think I get his drift.

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  163. @Rosamond Vincy
    I'm not sure we really disagree here. I actually think my position is closer to yours than it is to Attila's. God has picked some pretty strange people to make His point, so I hesitate to question His judgment.

    Laughing. I suspect that the commenter you are referencing is being a tad over the top facetious.

    It is a good idea to walk lightly on issues of faith.

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    I'm not so sure he's being facetious.
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  164. @EliteCommInc.
    As I noted previously, avoiding provocative commentors is best avoided. I think if you read my comments you will see that I noted the issue of skin color.


    Wisdom and IQ are two separate concepts. Wisdom is as to discernment. It may or may not be accompanied IQ which is a modern concept. Intelligence and wisdom are not by definition or as practice and experienced linked. Noone doubts the intelligence of say Pres, Jefferson, yet he failed to educate his slaves, for a future with the slavery he fought against for himself.

    No wisdom and intelligence are two very different coins indeed. And salvation has nothing to do with wisdom, IQ or status . . . that is a matter of faith.

    And the foolishness of the cross is every person's salvation.

    “avoiding provocative commentors,” if this applies to me, I’ll take the description. If I’m provocative, it’s because I deal with objective truth. I still can’t believe the nonsense you type. “Noone doubts the intelligence of say Pres, Jefferson…” That you would post such an assertion about one of the Founders of country, and juxtapose it against low IQ blacks – I CAN’T EVEN!!! Wisdom is related to IQ. Read the Bell Curve. You keep avoiding this topic because I have posted facts you cannot rebut. The communion wafer does not work for blacks/Asians. Compare RCC Haiti to WASP USA. Compare RCC El Salvador to WASP USA. The commentator anarchyst has not responded to my question about whether he would accept a black/Asian pope. You cannot deal with the most important objective biological truth – IQ which is tied to race which deal with morality. An IQ of 85 and below is tied to criminal behavior. A country needs a population with an IQ of 90+ to function. The RCC is now predominatly black/Asian. Put a fork in it, it’s done. The Orthodox Church with its racial/ethnic churches is the only hope for the West.

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    The communion wafer does not work for blacks/Asians.
     
    Consecrated or unconsecrated?
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  165. Talha says:
    @attilathehen
    Talha, just a reminder. You are Pakistani (Asian), Muslim (Christian heretic) and your home country has an average IQ of 84. I will help to take care of Caucasian Down Syndrome people. This is my Christian duty. You have your duty to Pakistan.

    Thanks for the reminder; we are retards, so we appreciate all the help we can get. It’s nice that people are willing to go out of their way to help us.

    Peace.

    PS. Since you are into public service announcements, please remind all the nice High-IQ white people to have kids, because – well, y’know…

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    For the record; I fully support ecclesiastical and formal legal (this is more important) recognition of Islam as a "Christian heresy" or "heterodox Christian movement" in the vein of Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. in Western countries.

    100% - the sooner, the better.

    A seat at the World Council of Churches (this is nice, but not necessary - the above two are more important):
    https://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches
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  166. Talha says:
    @Talha
    Thanks for the reminder; we are retards, so we appreciate all the help we can get. It’s nice that people are willing to go out of their way to help us.

    Peace.

    PS. Since you are into public service announcements, please remind all the nice High-IQ white people to have kids, because - well, y’know...

    For the record; I fully support ecclesiastical and formal legal (this is more important) recognition of Islam as a “Christian heresy” or “heterodox Christian movement” in the vein of Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc. in Western countries.

    100% – the sooner, the better.

    A seat at the World Council of Churches (this is nice, but not necessary – the above two are more important):

    https://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches

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    Biology first, beliefs second. Your biology is not kosher. The West needs to gets it biology in order, correct beliefs will follow.
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  167. Bliss says:
    @attilathehen
    The races are all human. However, IQ, which is related to race will separate us. I don't know why God made blacks/Asians. They are a bad reflection on Him. We will find out everything once we die. Blacks/Asians must have their own churches. I don't know where you live, but I live in an area vibrating with diversity. Diversity destroys. If you live in Iowa, Vermont, Idaho, move to Baltimore, Detroit, Ferguson. The negroids there need someone like you to help them. I'm sure they won't notice your skin color.

    I don’t know why God made blacks/Asians. They are a bad reflection on Him. We will find out everything once we die. Blacks/Asians must have their own churches. I don’t know where you live, but I live in “an area vibrating with diversity. Diversity destroys.

    Yet another WN hypocrite.

    If “diversity destroys” why do you choose to live in “an area vibrating with diversity“? Is anyone forcing you to stay there?

    I don’t know what god you worship but it is obviously not the God who created this diverse world we live in.

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    I live where I live because it is the city of my birth. I am a part of the reconquista.

    There is only one God. He has to explain all to us when we die.
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  168. @EliteCommInc.
    Laughing. I suspect that the commenter you are referencing is being a tad over the top facetious.

    It is a good idea to walk lightly on issues of faith.

    I’m not so sure he’s being facetious.

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    You are correct. I'm deadly serious when I comment.
    , @ElitecommInc.
    I was being both polite and diplomatic ----

    Since he has take the bone, and run he will have to justify it before scripture and in this case the Catholic Church -- the position is so out of line with either it will be interesting to read his positions

    But based on doctrine of scripture -- no legs -- provocative for the sake of being provocative in my view.

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  169. @attilathehen
    "avoiding provocative commentors," if this applies to me, I'll take the description. If I'm provocative, it's because I deal with objective truth. I still can't believe the nonsense you type. "Noone doubts the intelligence of say Pres, Jefferson..." That you would post such an assertion about one of the Founders of country, and juxtapose it against low IQ blacks - I CAN'T EVEN!!! Wisdom is related to IQ. Read the Bell Curve. You keep avoiding this topic because I have posted facts you cannot rebut. The communion wafer does not work for blacks/Asians. Compare RCC Haiti to WASP USA. Compare RCC El Salvador to WASP USA. The commentator anarchyst has not responded to my question about whether he would accept a black/Asian pope. You cannot deal with the most important objective biological truth - IQ which is tied to race which deal with morality. An IQ of 85 and below is tied to criminal behavior. A country needs a population with an IQ of 90+ to function. The RCC is now predominatly black/Asian. Put a fork in it, it's done. The Orthodox Church with its racial/ethnic churches is the only hope for the West.

    The communion wafer does not work for blacks/Asians.

    Consecrated or unconsecrated?

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    Consecrated. Look at RCC Haiti and El Salvador. And, I'm a girl.
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  170. @Rosamond Vincy

    The communion wafer does not work for blacks/Asians.
     
    Consecrated or unconsecrated?

    Consecrated. Look at RCC Haiti and El Salvador. And, I’m a girl.

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    Consecrated wafer does not "work"?

    Them's fightin' words, Little Missy.
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  171. @Bliss

    I don’t know why God made blacks/Asians. They are a bad reflection on Him. We will find out everything once we die. Blacks/Asians must have their own churches. I don’t know where you live, but I live in “an area vibrating with diversity. Diversity destroys.
     
    Yet another WN hypocrite.

    If “diversity destroys” why do you choose to live in “an area vibrating with diversity“? Is anyone forcing you to stay there?

    I don’t know what god you worship but it is obviously not the God who created this diverse world we live in.

    I live where I live because it is the city of my birth. I am a part of the reconquista.

    There is only one God. He has to explain all to us when we die.

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  172. @Rosamond Vincy
    I'm not so sure he's being facetious.

    You are correct. I’m deadly serious when I comment.

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  173. @Talha
    For the record; I fully support ecclesiastical and formal legal (this is more important) recognition of Islam as a "Christian heresy" or "heterodox Christian movement" in the vein of Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. in Western countries.

    100% - the sooner, the better.

    A seat at the World Council of Churches (this is nice, but not necessary - the above two are more important):
    https://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches

    Biology first, beliefs second. Your biology is not kosher. The West needs to gets it biology in order, correct beliefs will follow.

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    Your biology is not kosher.
     
    See what I’m saying; we’re too retarded to know that. If we did, we would have chosen to be born White like you all did - man, that’s the last time I select something so important out of a hat - silly me...

    Again, have mercy on the mentally challenged; WWJD?

    Peace.
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  174. @attilathehen
    Consecrated. Look at RCC Haiti and El Salvador. And, I'm a girl.

    Consecrated wafer does not “work”?

    Them’s fightin’ words, Little Missy.

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    OK cuck. I now crown you Queen Isabella II. Gather your army of Haitians and El Salvadorans. You need to march to the headquarters of the USA Conference of Bishops and tell them to get rid of the gays in the clergy, state Islam is a Christian heresy, and that present day Jews are not the chosen and do not have a covenant with God.

    In the meantime, the Orthodox Church will be the church of the West.
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  175. Talha says:
    @attilathehen
    Biology first, beliefs second. Your biology is not kosher. The West needs to gets it biology in order, correct beliefs will follow.

    Your biology is not kosher.

    See what I’m saying; we’re too retarded to know that. If we did, we would have chosen to be born White like you all did – man, that’s the last time I select something so important out of a hat – silly me…

    Again, have mercy on the mentally challenged; WWJD?

    Peace.

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  176. @Rosamond Vincy
    Consecrated wafer does not "work"?

    Them's fightin' words, Little Missy.

    OK cuck. I now crown you Queen Isabella II. Gather your army of Haitians and El Salvadorans. You need to march to the headquarters of the USA Conference of Bishops and tell them to get rid of the gays in the clergy, state Islam is a Christian heresy, and that present day Jews are not the chosen and do not have a covenant with God.

    In the meantime, the Orthodox Church will be the church of the West.

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    I'll take it as a compliment. Isabella la Catolica rocked. She rallied the troops on horseback when she was 8-months-pregnant with Catherine of Aragon (who would grow up to hold off a rebellion on the Scottish border when Henry VIII was in France, not that this gave him a clue what a keeper she was).

    I don't know what your Creed is, but if you don't believe in the efficacy of the Body and Blood of Christ, you are no Catholic.

    As St. Augustine said long ago, the Sacraments are valid even if the priest is a bad man. As long that bad man has the Indelible Character of Holy Orders, you are still married, your baby is still baptized, the First Communion of your youngest and the Confirmation of your oldest are valid, and if he comes to confess and anoint you when you're sick, it's valid even if you've never liked him and part of you almost wishes you would die in sin rather than have to listen to Father Cirrhosis's delirious mutterings for five more minutes.

    Perhaps you imagine a separate heaven, if not hell, for sects you don't like? Bishop Fulton Sheen said we may be surprised by some of the people we see in heaven, but the biggest surprise will be if we make it there ourselves.

    As for what saves the West, CS Lewis said the issue is not whether Christianity is good for society, but whether it is true.
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  177. @attilathehen
    OK cuck. I now crown you Queen Isabella II. Gather your army of Haitians and El Salvadorans. You need to march to the headquarters of the USA Conference of Bishops and tell them to get rid of the gays in the clergy, state Islam is a Christian heresy, and that present day Jews are not the chosen and do not have a covenant with God.

    In the meantime, the Orthodox Church will be the church of the West.

    I’ll take it as a compliment. Isabella la Catolica rocked. She rallied the troops on horseback when she was 8-months-pregnant with Catherine of Aragon (who would grow up to hold off a rebellion on the Scottish border when Henry VIII was in France, not that this gave him a clue what a keeper she was).

    I don’t know what your Creed is, but if you don’t believe in the efficacy of the Body and Blood of Christ, you are no Catholic.

    As St. Augustine said long ago, the Sacraments are valid even if the priest is a bad man. As long that bad man has the Indelible Character of Holy Orders, you are still married, your baby is still baptized, the First Communion of your youngest and the Confirmation of your oldest are valid, and if he comes to confess and anoint you when you’re sick, it’s valid even if you’ve never liked him and part of you almost wishes you would die in sin rather than have to listen to Father Cirrhosis’s delirious mutterings for five more minutes.

    Perhaps you imagine a separate heaven, if not hell, for sects you don’t like? Bishop Fulton Sheen said we may be surprised by some of the people we see in heaven, but the biggest surprise will be if we make it there ourselves.

    As for what saves the West, CS Lewis said the issue is not whether Christianity is good for society, but whether it is true.

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    I'm a cradle RCCer. I posted this in a previous comment. My family has been RCC for hundreds of years. I left the RCC because I don't accept black/Asian priests-popes. I know about Donatism. I went to RCC grammar, high school and graduated from a Jesuit university. St. Augustine lived at a time when the world was a small place. If he were alive today, I don't think he would believe the way he did in the 5th century. Biology has come into direct conflict with beliefs and biology is winning. Queen Isabella lived in a different time. She would be a nationalist today, but what kind of a Catholic would she be? CS Lewis died right before Vatican II ended. He lived in a different world. If he were alive today, I don't know what he would believe. Christianity is good and true for everyone. But, everyone (blacks/Asians) must have their own churches. I have no interest in seeing blacks/Asians in heaven. We are living in interesting times, and they will be just as interesting after we die.
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  178. @Rosamond Vincy
    I'll take it as a compliment. Isabella la Catolica rocked. She rallied the troops on horseback when she was 8-months-pregnant with Catherine of Aragon (who would grow up to hold off a rebellion on the Scottish border when Henry VIII was in France, not that this gave him a clue what a keeper she was).

    I don't know what your Creed is, but if you don't believe in the efficacy of the Body and Blood of Christ, you are no Catholic.

    As St. Augustine said long ago, the Sacraments are valid even if the priest is a bad man. As long that bad man has the Indelible Character of Holy Orders, you are still married, your baby is still baptized, the First Communion of your youngest and the Confirmation of your oldest are valid, and if he comes to confess and anoint you when you're sick, it's valid even if you've never liked him and part of you almost wishes you would die in sin rather than have to listen to Father Cirrhosis's delirious mutterings for five more minutes.

    Perhaps you imagine a separate heaven, if not hell, for sects you don't like? Bishop Fulton Sheen said we may be surprised by some of the people we see in heaven, but the biggest surprise will be if we make it there ourselves.

    As for what saves the West, CS Lewis said the issue is not whether Christianity is good for society, but whether it is true.

    I’m a cradle RCCer. I posted this in a previous comment. My family has been RCC for hundreds of years. I left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes. I know about Donatism. I went to RCC grammar, high school and graduated from a Jesuit university. St. Augustine lived at a time when the world was a small place. If he were alive today, I don’t think he would believe the way he did in the 5th century. Biology has come into direct conflict with beliefs and biology is winning. Queen Isabella lived in a different time. She would be a nationalist today, but what kind of a Catholic would she be? CS Lewis died right before Vatican II ended. He lived in a different world. If he were alive today, I don’t know what he would believe. Christianity is good and true for everyone. But, everyone (blacks/Asians) must have their own churches. I have no interest in seeing blacks/Asians in heaven. We are living in interesting times, and they will be just as interesting after we die.

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    St. Augustine lived at a time when the world was a small place. If he were alive today, I don’t think he would believe the way he did in the 5th century
     
    The world was even smaller in 1st-century Judea. I see you're on the same page as the theologian in The Great Divorce:

    I'm going to point out how people always forget that Jesus (here the
    Ghost bowed) was a comparatively young man when he died. He would have outgrown some of his
    earlier views, you know, if he'd lived. As he might have done, with a little more tact and patience. I
    am going to ask my audience to consider what his mature views would have been. A profoundly
    interesting question. What a different Christianity we might have had if only the Founder had
    reached his full stature! I shall end up by pointing out how this deepens the significance of the
    Crucifixion. One feels for the first time what a disaster it was: what a tragic waste ... so much
    promise cut short.
    CS Lewis
     
    And then there's your idea that biology--which God created--trumps the Eucharist, which is God:

    But, everyone (blacks/Asians) must have their own churches.
     
    Well, shame on the Apostle Philip for baptizing the Ethiopian eunuch. Shame on St. Peter Clavier for bringing the Faith to African slaves. Shame on St. Paul for trying to win Jews to the Faith, even though he himself had been won to it after being such an enthusiastic persecutor that Ananias was initially reluctant to instruct and baptize him. Oh, and Paul even said this:

    1I SAY then: Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people, which he foreknew. ....

    11I say then, have they so stumbled, that they should fall? God forbid. But by their offence, salvation is come to the Gentiles, that they may be emulous of them. 12Now if the offence of them be the riches of the world, and the diminution of them, the riches of the Gentiles; how much more the fulness of them? 13For I say to you, Gentiles: as long indeed as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I will honour my ministry, 14If, by any means, I may provoke to emulation them who are my flesh, and may save some of them. 15For if the loss of them be the reconciliation of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
     

    For that matter, shame on Our Lord for saying, "Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." Obviously, He should have said only Aryan nations.

    We will be responsible for every soul we could have helped to heaven, and drove away instead.

    As Haydock put it in his commentary on the parable of the talents:


    He that had received the one. The man who hid this one talent, represents all those who, having received any good quality, whether mental or corporal, employ it only on earthly things. (St. Gregory) --- Origen is also of the same sentiment: if you see any one, says he, who has received from God the gift of teaching and instructing others to salvation, yet will not exercise himself in this function, he buries his talent in the ground, like this unworthy servant, and must expect to receive the like reward
     
    .

    I have no interest in seeing blacks/Asians in heaven
     
    You may get your wish, but not because they didn't get there.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    I don't know which Bible you've been reading, but please read or reread Lewis' Screwtape Letters. Your "Christianity and Race Theory" is about as valid as "Christianity and Spelling Reform."
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  179. @attilathehen
    I'm a cradle RCCer. I posted this in a previous comment. My family has been RCC for hundreds of years. I left the RCC because I don't accept black/Asian priests-popes. I know about Donatism. I went to RCC grammar, high school and graduated from a Jesuit university. St. Augustine lived at a time when the world was a small place. If he were alive today, I don't think he would believe the way he did in the 5th century. Biology has come into direct conflict with beliefs and biology is winning. Queen Isabella lived in a different time. She would be a nationalist today, but what kind of a Catholic would she be? CS Lewis died right before Vatican II ended. He lived in a different world. If he were alive today, I don't know what he would believe. Christianity is good and true for everyone. But, everyone (blacks/Asians) must have their own churches. I have no interest in seeing blacks/Asians in heaven. We are living in interesting times, and they will be just as interesting after we die.

    St. Augustine lived at a time when the world was a small place. If he were alive today, I don’t think he would believe the way he did in the 5th century

    The world was even smaller in 1st-century Judea. I see you’re on the same page as the theologian in The Great Divorce:

    I’m going to point out how people always forget that Jesus (here the
    Ghost bowed) was a comparatively young man when he died. He would have outgrown some of his
    earlier views, you know, if he’d lived. As he might have done, with a little more tact and patience. I
    am going to ask my audience to consider what his mature views would have been. A profoundly
    interesting question. What a different Christianity we might have had if only the Founder had
    reached his full stature! I shall end up by pointing out how this deepens the significance of the
    Crucifixion. One feels for the first time what a disaster it was: what a tragic waste … so much
    promise cut short.
    CS Lewis

    And then there’s your idea that biology–which God created–trumps the Eucharist, which is God:

    But, everyone (blacks/Asians) must have their own churches.

    Well, shame on the Apostle Philip for baptizing the Ethiopian eunuch. Shame on St. Peter Clavier for bringing the Faith to African slaves. Shame on St. Paul for trying to win Jews to the Faith, even though he himself had been won to it after being such an enthusiastic persecutor that Ananias was initially reluctant to instruct and baptize him. Oh, and Paul even said this:

    1I SAY then: Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people, which he foreknew. ….

    11I say then, have they so stumbled, that they should fall? God forbid. But by their offence, salvation is come to the Gentiles, that they may be emulous of them. 12Now if the offence of them be the riches of the world, and the diminution of them, the riches of the Gentiles; how much more the fulness of them? 13For I say to you, Gentiles: as long indeed as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I will honour my ministry, 14If, by any means, I may provoke to emulation them who are my flesh, and may save some of them. 15For if the loss of them be the reconciliation of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

    For that matter, shame on Our Lord for saying, “Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” Obviously, He should have said only Aryan nations.

    We will be responsible for every soul we could have helped to heaven, and drove away instead.

    As Haydock put it in his commentary on the parable of the talents:

    He that had received the one. The man who hid this one talent, represents all those who, having received any good quality, whether mental or corporal, employ it only on earthly things. (St. Gregory) — Origen is also of the same sentiment: if you see any one, says he, who has received from God the gift of teaching and instructing others to salvation, yet will not exercise himself in this function, he buries his talent in the ground, like this unworthy servant, and must expect to receive the like reward

    .

    I have no interest in seeing blacks/Asians in heaven

    You may get your wish, but not because they didn’t get there.

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    Well played...

    Peace.
    , @Anon

    As Haydock put it in his commentary
     
    OT, but do you know if the Haydock bible is anywhere on the web in an accurate copy? I used to use a site which has since been taken down-- do I have to buy a copy?
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  180. @Rosamond Vincy
    I'm not so sure he's being facetious.

    I was being both polite and diplomatic —-

    Since he has take the bone, and run he will have to justify it before scripture and in this case the Catholic Church — the position is so out of line with either it will be interesting to read his positions

    But based on doctrine of scripture — no legs — provocative for the sake of being provocative in my view.

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    Claims to be a she. Scroll up to read our latest conversation. Her reluctance to share salvation with anyone she doesn't like fits no form of Christianity I ever heard of.
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  181. @ElitecommInc.
    I was being both polite and diplomatic ----

    Since he has take the bone, and run he will have to justify it before scripture and in this case the Catholic Church -- the position is so out of line with either it will be interesting to read his positions

    But based on doctrine of scripture -- no legs -- provocative for the sake of being provocative in my view.

    Claims to be a she. Scroll up to read our latest conversation. Her reluctance to share salvation with anyone she doesn’t like fits no form of Christianity I ever heard of.

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    I have read the previous comments. Again a good laugh, not in mocking, but interesting and again provocative.

    In this instance, gender is unimportant to me. It's just not relevant. When i make reference to being just provocative, I mean the position doesn't have support via the concepts it advances. I have yet to read any material from the foundations of christianity to support the position. I can't go beyond that. On matters of faith, the fine line for me is whether scripture contradicts a position. In this case, there is just no material to support the advances. Maybe Christ will sort people by color and IQ --

    But there is just no evidence to support any such notion that color, intelligence or even wisdom is a barrier for the full embrace of Jesus Christ. As for evangelism, maybe are called upon to share the gospel, but i am not sure I can demand anyone share it as i think it ought to be someone or with whom -- scripture lays that out and so be it.

    It may very well be that not sharing the gospel for certain people is a good idea Alstaire Cook once wrote about bothering the Queen's Palace Guard, as one might be liable as

    "One's liable to get their head broke." The Americans

    -- I think. I can think of numerous times when my own silence or behavior has been less than christian invitational --

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  182. Talha says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    St. Augustine lived at a time when the world was a small place. If he were alive today, I don’t think he would believe the way he did in the 5th century
     
    The world was even smaller in 1st-century Judea. I see you're on the same page as the theologian in The Great Divorce:

    I'm going to point out how people always forget that Jesus (here the
    Ghost bowed) was a comparatively young man when he died. He would have outgrown some of his
    earlier views, you know, if he'd lived. As he might have done, with a little more tact and patience. I
    am going to ask my audience to consider what his mature views would have been. A profoundly
    interesting question. What a different Christianity we might have had if only the Founder had
    reached his full stature! I shall end up by pointing out how this deepens the significance of the
    Crucifixion. One feels for the first time what a disaster it was: what a tragic waste ... so much
    promise cut short.
    CS Lewis
     
    And then there's your idea that biology--which God created--trumps the Eucharist, which is God:

    But, everyone (blacks/Asians) must have their own churches.
     
    Well, shame on the Apostle Philip for baptizing the Ethiopian eunuch. Shame on St. Peter Clavier for bringing the Faith to African slaves. Shame on St. Paul for trying to win Jews to the Faith, even though he himself had been won to it after being such an enthusiastic persecutor that Ananias was initially reluctant to instruct and baptize him. Oh, and Paul even said this:

    1I SAY then: Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people, which he foreknew. ....

    11I say then, have they so stumbled, that they should fall? God forbid. But by their offence, salvation is come to the Gentiles, that they may be emulous of them. 12Now if the offence of them be the riches of the world, and the diminution of them, the riches of the Gentiles; how much more the fulness of them? 13For I say to you, Gentiles: as long indeed as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I will honour my ministry, 14If, by any means, I may provoke to emulation them who are my flesh, and may save some of them. 15For if the loss of them be the reconciliation of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
     

    For that matter, shame on Our Lord for saying, "Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." Obviously, He should have said only Aryan nations.

    We will be responsible for every soul we could have helped to heaven, and drove away instead.

    As Haydock put it in his commentary on the parable of the talents:


    He that had received the one. The man who hid this one talent, represents all those who, having received any good quality, whether mental or corporal, employ it only on earthly things. (St. Gregory) --- Origen is also of the same sentiment: if you see any one, says he, who has received from God the gift of teaching and instructing others to salvation, yet will not exercise himself in this function, he buries his talent in the ground, like this unworthy servant, and must expect to receive the like reward
     
    .

    I have no interest in seeing blacks/Asians in heaven
     
    You may get your wish, but not because they didn't get there.

    Well played…

    Peace.

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    I am horrified by what I have been reading. Where does Jesus say to hate thine enemy? Where does he say we don't have to forgive once, let alone 70 x 7? Where does he say that loving your neighbor means only people like you, when the story of the Good Samaritan, the outcast of that time, makes it clear that kindness doesn't come from or get shown to only one group of people?

    Reginald Denny was attacked by black people during the L.A. riots, but Bobby Green Jr., Lei Yuille, Titus Murphy, and Terri Barnett--all black--came to his aid. When a mosque was vandalized in Columbus, OH after 9/11, a local synagogue allowed Muslims to use its facilities until the repairs were finished. Many nuns and priests risked or lost their lives, hiding Jews and Roma from the Nazis during WWII. You can find nice people and jerks in EVERY group. Most of us fall short of many of these on a regular basis, but contrary to Yoda, there is "try."

    There's a big difference between claiming you have the right to decide who gets into your country and claiming you have the right to decide who gets into Heaven.

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  183. @Talha
    Well played...

    Peace.

    I am horrified by what I have been reading. Where does Jesus say to hate thine enemy? Where does he say we don’t have to forgive once, let alone 70 x 7? Where does he say that loving your neighbor means only people like you, when the story of the Good Samaritan, the outcast of that time, makes it clear that kindness doesn’t come from or get shown to only one group of people?

    Reginald Denny was attacked by black people during the L.A. riots, but Bobby Green Jr., Lei Yuille, Titus Murphy, and Terri Barnett–all black–came to his aid. When a mosque was vandalized in Columbus, OH after 9/11, a local synagogue allowed Muslims to use its facilities until the repairs were finished. Many nuns and priests risked or lost their lives, hiding Jews and Roma from the Nazis during WWII. You can find nice people and jerks in EVERY group. Most of us fall short of many of these on a regular basis, but contrary to Yoda, there is “try.”

    There’s a big difference between claiming you have the right to decide who gets into your country and claiming you have the right to decide who gets into Heaven.

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    Lady, I'm totally on board with you. I'm a Muslim and I can tell you that I don't take seriously the "Church of the Holy Shepherd to Kick Them Niggaz Out the Pews". There is now way this represents any normative form of Christianity. Actually it reminds me a lot of the way our Salafi-Wahhabi extremists operate - trying to make the gates of Heaven as narrow as possible.

    There’s a big difference between claiming you have the right to decide who gets into your country and claiming you have the right to decide who gets into Heaven.
     
    Amen.

    I’m pretty sure there’s a prohibition against actively driving other people away.
     
    One should seriously fear God in this regard - this is not a joke. There is no need to water-down doctrine to make it palatable for everyone, but repelling people from God is just out of bounds.

    Screwtape Letters
     
    I have a copy of this; brilliant book.

    TheHen seems to be good for a few laughs, but I stopped taking her seriously a long time ago. Personalities like these are a dime a dozen on the Intranet - it's part of the cover charge to participate.

    Peace.

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  184. @attilathehen
    I'm a cradle RCCer. I posted this in a previous comment. My family has been RCC for hundreds of years. I left the RCC because I don't accept black/Asian priests-popes. I know about Donatism. I went to RCC grammar, high school and graduated from a Jesuit university. St. Augustine lived at a time when the world was a small place. If he were alive today, I don't think he would believe the way he did in the 5th century. Biology has come into direct conflict with beliefs and biology is winning. Queen Isabella lived in a different time. She would be a nationalist today, but what kind of a Catholic would she be? CS Lewis died right before Vatican II ended. He lived in a different world. If he were alive today, I don't know what he would believe. Christianity is good and true for everyone. But, everyone (blacks/Asians) must have their own churches. I have no interest in seeing blacks/Asians in heaven. We are living in interesting times, and they will be just as interesting after we die.

    I don’t know which Bible you’ve been reading, but please read or reread Lewis’ Screwtape Letters. Your “Christianity and Race Theory” is about as valid as “Christianity and Spelling Reform.”

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    China has told cuck pope Frannie that they will select bishops. Cuck pope Frannie is ok with this. China is now going to ban the Bible from being sold. https://gizmodo.com/china-just-banned-online-sales-of-the-bible-1825027863

    I've read other articles that China will publish its own Bible, a Chinese bible, in keeping with their socialist values. It looks like they are Sinoizing Christianity. What's your opinion about this? It seems they want "Chinese Christianity."

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  185. @Rosamond Vincy
    Claims to be a she. Scroll up to read our latest conversation. Her reluctance to share salvation with anyone she doesn't like fits no form of Christianity I ever heard of.

    I have read the previous comments. Again a good laugh, not in mocking, but interesting and again provocative.

    In this instance, gender is unimportant to me. It’s just not relevant. When i make reference to being just provocative, I mean the position doesn’t have support via the concepts it advances. I have yet to read any material from the foundations of christianity to support the position. I can’t go beyond that. On matters of faith, the fine line for me is whether scripture contradicts a position. In this case, there is just no material to support the advances. Maybe Christ will sort people by color and IQ —

    But there is just no evidence to support any such notion that color, intelligence or even wisdom is a barrier for the full embrace of Jesus Christ. As for evangelism, maybe are called upon to share the gospel, but i am not sure I can demand anyone share it as i think it ought to be someone or with whom — scripture lays that out and so be it.

    It may very well be that not sharing the gospel for certain people is a good idea Alstaire Cook once wrote about bothering the Queen’s Palace Guard, as one might be liable as

    “One’s liable to get their head broke.” The Americans

    – I think. I can think of numerous times when my own silence or behavior has been less than christian invitational –

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    Not all of us are tactful enough to share the Gospel without doing more harm than keeping silence, but I'm pretty sure there's a prohibition against actively driving other people away.
    , @attilathehen
    Yes, I am interesting and provocative. These compliments are hurled at me frequently offline . How about this. Here's my dealio for cucks: separation.

    We separate blacks/Asians/Jews from the West. We give them Bibles. Let them form their churches and deal with God. We Caucasian, European, Western, Christian, neo-page, white, light-skinned people, we'll deal with our own problems. Now, if people like Rosamund want to preach the Gospel, they will do this on their own in the non-white countries. She will not be able to come back to the West. What Rosamund is preaching is the evil, IQ destroying ideology of cuck pope Frannie - accompaniment. This cuck wants sinners holding hands with saints, walking together. "Sin" also means low IQ. We know what destroyed the ancient Egyptians (Caucasians) - mixing with blacks. We know what destroyed the ancient Indian Aryans - mixing with Asians. If you want to mix, fine, you will move to black/Asian countries. Caucasians need their own safe spaces in the West.
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  186. @EliteCommInc.
    I have read the previous comments. Again a good laugh, not in mocking, but interesting and again provocative.

    In this instance, gender is unimportant to me. It's just not relevant. When i make reference to being just provocative, I mean the position doesn't have support via the concepts it advances. I have yet to read any material from the foundations of christianity to support the position. I can't go beyond that. On matters of faith, the fine line for me is whether scripture contradicts a position. In this case, there is just no material to support the advances. Maybe Christ will sort people by color and IQ --

    But there is just no evidence to support any such notion that color, intelligence or even wisdom is a barrier for the full embrace of Jesus Christ. As for evangelism, maybe are called upon to share the gospel, but i am not sure I can demand anyone share it as i think it ought to be someone or with whom -- scripture lays that out and so be it.

    It may very well be that not sharing the gospel for certain people is a good idea Alstaire Cook once wrote about bothering the Queen's Palace Guard, as one might be liable as

    "One's liable to get their head broke." The Americans

    -- I think. I can think of numerous times when my own silence or behavior has been less than christian invitational --

    Not all of us are tactful enough to share the Gospel without doing more harm than keeping silence, but I’m pretty sure there’s a prohibition against actively driving other people away.

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    A life in Christ in my view is not static . . . as one's willingness to give in to the holy spirit, so is one's greater likeness to christ . . . the new self is immediately new -- but the old self keeps getting in one's way - sometimes.


    just to be clear -- nothing and I mean nothing about being a christian condones violating US border laws, as they exist today.
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  187. Talha says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    I am horrified by what I have been reading. Where does Jesus say to hate thine enemy? Where does he say we don't have to forgive once, let alone 70 x 7? Where does he say that loving your neighbor means only people like you, when the story of the Good Samaritan, the outcast of that time, makes it clear that kindness doesn't come from or get shown to only one group of people?

    Reginald Denny was attacked by black people during the L.A. riots, but Bobby Green Jr., Lei Yuille, Titus Murphy, and Terri Barnett--all black--came to his aid. When a mosque was vandalized in Columbus, OH after 9/11, a local synagogue allowed Muslims to use its facilities until the repairs were finished. Many nuns and priests risked or lost their lives, hiding Jews and Roma from the Nazis during WWII. You can find nice people and jerks in EVERY group. Most of us fall short of many of these on a regular basis, but contrary to Yoda, there is "try."

    There's a big difference between claiming you have the right to decide who gets into your country and claiming you have the right to decide who gets into Heaven.

    Lady, I’m totally on board with you. I’m a Muslim and I can tell you that I don’t take seriously the “Church of the Holy Shepherd to Kick Them Niggaz Out the Pews”. There is now way this represents any normative form of Christianity. Actually it reminds me a lot of the way our Salafi-Wahhabi extremists operate – trying to make the gates of Heaven as narrow as possible.

    There’s a big difference between claiming you have the right to decide who gets into your country and claiming you have the right to decide who gets into Heaven.

    Amen.

    I’m pretty sure there’s a prohibition against actively driving other people away.

    One should seriously fear God in this regard – this is not a joke. There is no need to water-down doctrine to make it palatable for everyone, but repelling people from God is just out of bounds.

    Screwtape Letters

    I have a copy of this; brilliant book.

    TheHen seems to be good for a few laughs, but I stopped taking her seriously a long time ago. Personalities like these are a dime a dozen on the Intranet – it’s part of the cover charge to participate.

    Peace.

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    Stop taking a Caucasian Christian woman seriously? Oh, but we should take a low IQ Asian Muslim (Christian heretic) seriously? You may have a copy of the Screwtape Letters but since you are a functional illiterate you don't comprende, no Muslims in heaven. You shtick, a Christian heretic coming to the rescue of a demented Christian woman is funny though. It's very Seinfeldian. You need to seriously fear God. You are not a Christian.
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  188. @Talha
    Lady, I'm totally on board with you. I'm a Muslim and I can tell you that I don't take seriously the "Church of the Holy Shepherd to Kick Them Niggaz Out the Pews". There is now way this represents any normative form of Christianity. Actually it reminds me a lot of the way our Salafi-Wahhabi extremists operate - trying to make the gates of Heaven as narrow as possible.

    There’s a big difference between claiming you have the right to decide who gets into your country and claiming you have the right to decide who gets into Heaven.
     
    Amen.

    I’m pretty sure there’s a prohibition against actively driving other people away.
     
    One should seriously fear God in this regard - this is not a joke. There is no need to water-down doctrine to make it palatable for everyone, but repelling people from God is just out of bounds.

    Screwtape Letters
     
    I have a copy of this; brilliant book.

    TheHen seems to be good for a few laughs, but I stopped taking her seriously a long time ago. Personalities like these are a dime a dozen on the Intranet - it's part of the cover charge to participate.

    Peace.

    Stop taking a Caucasian Christian woman seriously? Oh, but we should take a low IQ Asian Muslim (Christian heretic) seriously? You may have a copy of the Screwtape Letters but since you are a functional illiterate you don’t comprende, no Muslims in heaven. You shtick, a Christian heretic coming to the rescue of a demented Christian woman is funny though. It’s very Seinfeldian. You need to seriously fear God. You are not a Christian.

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    Stop taking a Caucasian Christian woman seriously?
     
    No, I take them seriously - just not you since you aren't very representative of most Caucasian Christian women. Most don't say things as blasphemous as "God has explaining to do" or the creation of "Blacks and Asians reflect badly on Him" - who the hell do you think you are??!!

    I can't take someone seriously who has been rebuked by plenty of their own Christian brothers/sisters for having a out-of-left-field understanding of Christianity. It doesn't matter if you think it's right; the point is nobody else does.

    I've asked you multiple times in the past; please point out a church or congregation that has your views so we can all see how much traction they have among the Christian community. Up to now you are basically a one-man army typing from God-knows where; a basement, insane asylum, library - I don't know. Give me the name of a Christian theologian, preacher, someone that has a that respectable or decent following that believes like you do.

    coming to the rescue of a demented Christian woman
     
    She doesn't need my help - she stepped out the ring - you're shadow boxing and your pants keep falling down. Hey, it's entertaining - no doubt, like the Simpsons or something, but I don't take Sideshow Bob seriously either.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    "a demented Christian woman"

    For if we are out of our minds,* it is for God; if we are rational, it is for you.
    2Col 5:13

     

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  189. @EliteCommInc.
    I have read the previous comments. Again a good laugh, not in mocking, but interesting and again provocative.

    In this instance, gender is unimportant to me. It's just not relevant. When i make reference to being just provocative, I mean the position doesn't have support via the concepts it advances. I have yet to read any material from the foundations of christianity to support the position. I can't go beyond that. On matters of faith, the fine line for me is whether scripture contradicts a position. In this case, there is just no material to support the advances. Maybe Christ will sort people by color and IQ --

    But there is just no evidence to support any such notion that color, intelligence or even wisdom is a barrier for the full embrace of Jesus Christ. As for evangelism, maybe are called upon to share the gospel, but i am not sure I can demand anyone share it as i think it ought to be someone or with whom -- scripture lays that out and so be it.

    It may very well be that not sharing the gospel for certain people is a good idea Alstaire Cook once wrote about bothering the Queen's Palace Guard, as one might be liable as

    "One's liable to get their head broke." The Americans

    -- I think. I can think of numerous times when my own silence or behavior has been less than christian invitational --

    Yes, I am interesting and provocative. These compliments are hurled at me frequently offline . How about this. Here’s my dealio for cucks: separation.

    We separate blacks/Asians/Jews from the West. We give them Bibles. Let them form their churches and deal with God. We Caucasian, European, Western, Christian, neo-page, white, light-skinned people, we’ll deal with our own problems. Now, if people like Rosamund want to preach the Gospel, they will do this on their own in the non-white countries. She will not be able to come back to the West. What Rosamund is preaching is the evil, IQ destroying ideology of cuck pope Frannie – accompaniment. This cuck wants sinners holding hands with saints, walking together. “Sin” also means low IQ. We know what destroyed the ancient Egyptians (Caucasians) – mixing with blacks. We know what destroyed the ancient Indian Aryans – mixing with Asians. If you want to mix, fine, you will move to black/Asian countries. Caucasians need their own safe spaces in the West.

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    Well, I don't think I'd want to come back. If you're sending all the Jews away, then Jesus, Mary, Joseph, the 12 apostles, Mary, Martha, and Lazarus of Bethany, Mary Magdalene, St. Paul, and many of the women of Jerusalem who wept for Jesus as He suffered will be on my side of the fence. I'll be in very good company!

    By the way, whom are your brand of "Christians" going to worship?

    , @EliteCommInc.
    laughing.

    Look you are entitled to invent, create and advocate whatever form faith in Christ you choose. Just know this, nothing in scripture supports your advocacy. You seem to think that whites aren't sinners -- by your own comments I, not my speculation.


    Scripture contradicts the very suggestion as mankind is relegated to the same place by sin -- no exceptions for IQ. skin color, social class or anything else.

    Laugh. Your issue is not me, but with scripture and Christ. It is not something I could subscribe to as it challenges the very cause of Christ's death and his resurrection. Not a single apostle endorses this manner of faith and practice.

    Galations 3:

    "26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."


    Collations 3:

    "8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, 10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, 11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all."

    I don't know what else to say, aside from the observation in scripture which in context disagrees, with you and that would include the doctrine of the catholic faith.


    As I said, I think you are being mischievous. And I am laughing.

    Not at your expense.

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  190. @Rosamond Vincy
    I don't know which Bible you've been reading, but please read or reread Lewis' Screwtape Letters. Your "Christianity and Race Theory" is about as valid as "Christianity and Spelling Reform."

    China has told cuck pope Frannie that they will select bishops. Cuck pope Frannie is ok with this. China is now going to ban the Bible from being sold. https://gizmodo.com/china-just-banned-online-sales-of-the-bible-1825027863

    I’ve read other articles that China will publish its own Bible, a Chinese bible, in keeping with their socialist values. It looks like they are Sinoizing Christianity. What’s your opinion about this? It seems they want “Chinese Christianity.”

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    I guess you think Jesus was a cuck because He was Meek and Humble of Heart. He even asked His Father to forgive the people who killed Him, instead of just zapping them with some lightning bolts.
    , @dfordoom

    I’ve read other articles that China will publish its own Bible, a Chinese bible, in keeping with their socialist values. It looks like they are Sinoizing Christianity. What’s your opinion about this? It seems they want “Chinese Christianity.”
     
    They'd be better off without any kind of Christianity. Christianity has led the West to ruin - the Chinese would be well advised to discourage Christianity in their country. If they can't get rid of it completely then a Sinoized Christianity would at least be less harmful.

    Christianity will prove to be a menace to Chinese civilisation.
    , @Bliss

    I’ve read other articles that China will publish its own Bible, a Chinese bible, in keeping with their socialist values. It looks like they are Sinoizing Christianity. What’s your opinion about this? It seems they want “Chinese Christianity.”
     
    If you know the history of your church you must know that schisms have happened before. If you can have a Roman Church (RCC), a Greek Church (Orthodox), a German Church (Protestant) then why not a Chinese Church?

    Btw, considering how important reverence for ancestors is in Chinese culture we can expect the state sanctioned Chinese Church to create a ritual that posthumously baptizes dead ancestors and saves them from Hell.

    As for “socialist values” they are precisely the values of the first Christians, who were following the sermons of Jesus himself.
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  191. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    St. Augustine lived at a time when the world was a small place. If he were alive today, I don’t think he would believe the way he did in the 5th century
     
    The world was even smaller in 1st-century Judea. I see you're on the same page as the theologian in The Great Divorce:

    I'm going to point out how people always forget that Jesus (here the
    Ghost bowed) was a comparatively young man when he died. He would have outgrown some of his
    earlier views, you know, if he'd lived. As he might have done, with a little more tact and patience. I
    am going to ask my audience to consider what his mature views would have been. A profoundly
    interesting question. What a different Christianity we might have had if only the Founder had
    reached his full stature! I shall end up by pointing out how this deepens the significance of the
    Crucifixion. One feels for the first time what a disaster it was: what a tragic waste ... so much
    promise cut short.
    CS Lewis
     
    And then there's your idea that biology--which God created--trumps the Eucharist, which is God:

    But, everyone (blacks/Asians) must have their own churches.
     
    Well, shame on the Apostle Philip for baptizing the Ethiopian eunuch. Shame on St. Peter Clavier for bringing the Faith to African slaves. Shame on St. Paul for trying to win Jews to the Faith, even though he himself had been won to it after being such an enthusiastic persecutor that Ananias was initially reluctant to instruct and baptize him. Oh, and Paul even said this:

    1I SAY then: Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people, which he foreknew. ....

    11I say then, have they so stumbled, that they should fall? God forbid. But by their offence, salvation is come to the Gentiles, that they may be emulous of them. 12Now if the offence of them be the riches of the world, and the diminution of them, the riches of the Gentiles; how much more the fulness of them? 13For I say to you, Gentiles: as long indeed as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I will honour my ministry, 14If, by any means, I may provoke to emulation them who are my flesh, and may save some of them. 15For if the loss of them be the reconciliation of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
     

    For that matter, shame on Our Lord for saying, "Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." Obviously, He should have said only Aryan nations.

    We will be responsible for every soul we could have helped to heaven, and drove away instead.

    As Haydock put it in his commentary on the parable of the talents:


    He that had received the one. The man who hid this one talent, represents all those who, having received any good quality, whether mental or corporal, employ it only on earthly things. (St. Gregory) --- Origen is also of the same sentiment: if you see any one, says he, who has received from God the gift of teaching and instructing others to salvation, yet will not exercise himself in this function, he buries his talent in the ground, like this unworthy servant, and must expect to receive the like reward
     
    .

    I have no interest in seeing blacks/Asians in heaven
     
    You may get your wish, but not because they didn't get there.

    As Haydock put it in his commentary

    OT, but do you know if the Haydock bible is anywhere on the web in an accurate copy? I used to use a site which has since been taken down– do I have to buy a copy?

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    BibleHub has it. Click on COM for Commentary and you'll find Haydock.

    You'll also find an online Douay-Rheims translation among the other options. I used to go to a site that posted the Daily Readings from the DRV, but they stopped. The NABRE version on USCCB doesn't pack the same wallop.
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  192. Talha says:
    @attilathehen
    Stop taking a Caucasian Christian woman seriously? Oh, but we should take a low IQ Asian Muslim (Christian heretic) seriously? You may have a copy of the Screwtape Letters but since you are a functional illiterate you don't comprende, no Muslims in heaven. You shtick, a Christian heretic coming to the rescue of a demented Christian woman is funny though. It's very Seinfeldian. You need to seriously fear God. You are not a Christian.

    Stop taking a Caucasian Christian woman seriously?

    No, I take them seriously – just not you since you aren’t very representative of most Caucasian Christian women. Most don’t say things as blasphemous as “God has explaining to do” or the creation of “Blacks and Asians reflect badly on Him” – who the hell do you think you are??!!

    I can’t take someone seriously who has been rebuked by plenty of their own Christian brothers/sisters for having a out-of-left-field understanding of Christianity. It doesn’t matter if you think it’s right; the point is nobody else does.

    I’ve asked you multiple times in the past; please point out a church or congregation that has your views so we can all see how much traction they have among the Christian community. Up to now you are basically a one-man army typing from God-knows where; a basement, insane asylum, library – I don’t know. Give me the name of a Christian theologian, preacher, someone that has a that respectable or decent following that believes like you do.

    coming to the rescue of a demented Christian woman

    She doesn’t need my help – she stepped out the ring – you’re shadow boxing and your pants keep falling down. Hey, it’s entertaining – no doubt, like the Simpsons or something, but I don’t take Sideshow Bob seriously either.

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    Your wife is a Caucasian and she used to be a Christian until she married you. She chose to degenerate to your level. You have no concept of a real Caucasian Christian woman. Your spouse had half Asian Paki offspring and converted to Islam. She ended her biological superiority with you. She has also damned her soul. I recall you have an Egyptian Muslim brother-in-law. Egyptian Muslims have black ancestry. If you have nieces and nephews by this man, your children are further degenerated by their relation to them.

    Your opinions on Christianity are worthless because they are coming from a heretic. You have no concept of real Christianity. Also, being an Asian, you have no concept of the West and its racial soul. I am pointing out biological facts to Christians who cannot deal with reality. At least they have a theological basis to try and refute me. They cannot. Biology and beliefs have into conflict. Biology is winning. The closest Christian sect that matches my beliefs is the Orthodox Church. The churches are racial/ethnic. The Orthodox Church will be the Church of the West. If you want to convert to Christianity, you can start your Pakistani church.

    Rosamund has not answered by questions and comments about the Chinese and RCC. She cannot. She does not know how to deal with these new realities.

    I am one person now. But I do comment on other websites. I've started hearing commentators make statements such as I type. They don't give me credit. That's ok. It's important to get these conversations started.

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  193. @attilathehen
    Yes, I am interesting and provocative. These compliments are hurled at me frequently offline . How about this. Here's my dealio for cucks: separation.

    We separate blacks/Asians/Jews from the West. We give them Bibles. Let them form their churches and deal with God. We Caucasian, European, Western, Christian, neo-page, white, light-skinned people, we'll deal with our own problems. Now, if people like Rosamund want to preach the Gospel, they will do this on their own in the non-white countries. She will not be able to come back to the West. What Rosamund is preaching is the evil, IQ destroying ideology of cuck pope Frannie - accompaniment. This cuck wants sinners holding hands with saints, walking together. "Sin" also means low IQ. We know what destroyed the ancient Egyptians (Caucasians) - mixing with blacks. We know what destroyed the ancient Indian Aryans - mixing with Asians. If you want to mix, fine, you will move to black/Asian countries. Caucasians need their own safe spaces in the West.

    Well, I don’t think I’d want to come back. If you’re sending all the Jews away, then Jesus, Mary, Joseph, the 12 apostles, Mary, Martha, and Lazarus of Bethany, Mary Magdalene, St. Paul, and many of the women of Jerusalem who wept for Jesus as He suffered will be on my side of the fence. I’ll be in very good company!

    By the way, whom are your brand of “Christians” going to worship?

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  194. @Anon

    As Haydock put it in his commentary
     
    OT, but do you know if the Haydock bible is anywhere on the web in an accurate copy? I used to use a site which has since been taken down-- do I have to buy a copy?

    BibleHub has it. Click on COM for Commentary and you’ll find Haydock.

    You’ll also find an online Douay-Rheims translation among the other options. I used to go to a site that posted the Daily Readings from the DRV, but they stopped. The NABRE version on USCCB doesn’t pack the same wallop.

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  195. @attilathehen
    China has told cuck pope Frannie that they will select bishops. Cuck pope Frannie is ok with this. China is now going to ban the Bible from being sold. https://gizmodo.com/china-just-banned-online-sales-of-the-bible-1825027863

    I've read other articles that China will publish its own Bible, a Chinese bible, in keeping with their socialist values. It looks like they are Sinoizing Christianity. What's your opinion about this? It seems they want "Chinese Christianity."

    I guess you think Jesus was a cuck because He was Meek and Humble of Heart. He even asked His Father to forgive the people who killed Him, instead of just zapping them with some lightning bolts.

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    You did not answer my direct questions about the RCC and China. You refuse to deal with reality. The RCC has been broken up. Diversity broke it. Jesus was not a cuck. He was a brave Man who died for people. Stop being ridiculous. I said blacks/Asians must have their own churches. China is beginning this policy. There is nothing cuck pope Frannie can do about it.
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    @attilathehen
    China has told cuck pope Frannie that they will select bishops. Cuck pope Frannie is ok with this. China is now going to ban the Bible from being sold. https://gizmodo.com/china-just-banned-online-sales-of-the-bible-1825027863

    I've read other articles that China will publish its own Bible, a Chinese bible, in keeping with their socialist values. It looks like they are Sinoizing Christianity. What's your opinion about this? It seems they want "Chinese Christianity."

    I’ve read other articles that China will publish its own Bible, a Chinese bible, in keeping with their socialist values. It looks like they are Sinoizing Christianity. What’s your opinion about this? It seems they want “Chinese Christianity.”

    They’d be better off without any kind of Christianity. Christianity has led the West to ruin – the Chinese would be well advised to discourage Christianity in their country. If they can’t get rid of it completely then a Sinoized Christianity would at least be less harmful.

    Christianity will prove to be a menace to Chinese civilisation.

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    I heard some podcast a couple of weeks ago that the Chinese do not trust the RCC because they see it as a globalizing institution which will destroy their homogeneous country. I have to agree with the Chinese on this point. Cuck pope Frannie is behind the black/Asian/Muslim invasion of Western Europe. The Eastern Europeans are fine. They are mixed with RCC and Orthodox so this a blessing. You are correct in that it is better for China to deal with their own Christianity. For whatever reason God made Asian people, I leave it up to Him to deal with them after their die. I watch many RCC shows and they whine about the Chinese and Sudanese. These people are disgusting. We need to save the West before we worry about other people.
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  197. @Rosamond Vincy
    I guess you think Jesus was a cuck because He was Meek and Humble of Heart. He even asked His Father to forgive the people who killed Him, instead of just zapping them with some lightning bolts.

    You did not answer my direct questions about the RCC and China. You refuse to deal with reality. The RCC has been broken up. Diversity broke it. Jesus was not a cuck. He was a brave Man who died for people. Stop being ridiculous. I said blacks/Asians must have their own churches. China is beginning this policy. There is nothing cuck pope Frannie can do about it.

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    I have no idea what's going to be put in or left out of the Chinese Bible, so obviously I can't comment on it. Translation is tricky: sometimes translating the words accurately completely misses the connotations of the expression used. The NABRE is supposed to be pretty accurate, but we all know the DRV and KJV sound more majestic. Is the majesty inaccurate? Scholars say the Koine of the NT is very dry, businessy wording, used for memos about late shipments, requests for more olive oil, and complaints that the Rhodian perfumes aren't selling very well. Does that give the Gospels more weight, because their authors are so matter-of-fact about what happened instead of wallowing in the ancient version of purple prose?

    I'm not a big admirer of Pope Francis or post-Vatican II guitar masses, but the Church has withstood the current events and fads of many eras. It has ALWAYS been that way, as we see by Paul's warnings:

    I say this so that no one may deceive you by specious arguments.
    5
    For even if I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing as I observe your good order and the firmness of your faith in Christ.
    6
    So, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, walk in him,
    7
    rooted in him and built upon him and established in the faith as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
    8
    See to it that no one captivate you with an empty, seductive philosophy according to human tradition, according to the elemental powers of the world* and not according to Christ.
     
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  198. @attilathehen
    Yes, I am interesting and provocative. These compliments are hurled at me frequently offline . How about this. Here's my dealio for cucks: separation.

    We separate blacks/Asians/Jews from the West. We give them Bibles. Let them form their churches and deal with God. We Caucasian, European, Western, Christian, neo-page, white, light-skinned people, we'll deal with our own problems. Now, if people like Rosamund want to preach the Gospel, they will do this on their own in the non-white countries. She will not be able to come back to the West. What Rosamund is preaching is the evil, IQ destroying ideology of cuck pope Frannie - accompaniment. This cuck wants sinners holding hands with saints, walking together. "Sin" also means low IQ. We know what destroyed the ancient Egyptians (Caucasians) - mixing with blacks. We know what destroyed the ancient Indian Aryans - mixing with Asians. If you want to mix, fine, you will move to black/Asian countries. Caucasians need their own safe spaces in the West.

    laughing.

    Look you are entitled to invent, create and advocate whatever form faith in Christ you choose. Just know this, nothing in scripture supports your advocacy. You seem to think that whites aren’t sinners — by your own comments I, not my speculation.

    Scripture contradicts the very suggestion as mankind is relegated to the same place by sin — no exceptions for IQ. skin color, social class or anything else.

    Laugh. Your issue is not me, but with scripture and Christ. It is not something I could subscribe to as it challenges the very cause of Christ’s death and his resurrection. Not a single apostle endorses this manner of faith and practice.

    Galations 3:

    "26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."

    Collations 3:

    "8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, 10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, 11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all."

    I don't know what else to say, aside from the observation in scripture which in context disagrees, with you and that would include the doctrine of the catholic faith.

    As I said, I think you are being mischievous. And I am laughing.

    Not at your expense.

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    "being mischievous," You strike me as the kind of male who tells a woman how beautiful she looks when she's angry. I never said Caucasians were not sinners. I stated that an IQ of 85 and less will always lead to criminal behavior, i.e., sin. People with IQs of 90+ will sin, but they at least create functioning societies and countries. I am a Christian and live by Christian principles. I do have a prayer in which I thank the Lord for making me a Caucasian with an IQ of 90+. I know Orthodox Jewish men have a prayer where they thank God for not making them a woman. God doesn't hear their prayers and they are haram anyway. I have no quarrel with the Scriptures. But, they do not deal with biology, IQ. They are spiritual. And, once, again, spiritual development is tied to IQ. We are allowed to read other books besides the Bible. Also, the stories in the Bible are limited to a small area. They knew about India and southern Africa but had little contact with these places. We live in a different world today. We see these people up close and they cannot be in the West.
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  199. @Talha

    Stop taking a Caucasian Christian woman seriously?
     
    No, I take them seriously - just not you since you aren't very representative of most Caucasian Christian women. Most don't say things as blasphemous as "God has explaining to do" or the creation of "Blacks and Asians reflect badly on Him" - who the hell do you think you are??!!

    I can't take someone seriously who has been rebuked by plenty of their own Christian brothers/sisters for having a out-of-left-field understanding of Christianity. It doesn't matter if you think it's right; the point is nobody else does.

    I've asked you multiple times in the past; please point out a church or congregation that has your views so we can all see how much traction they have among the Christian community. Up to now you are basically a one-man army typing from God-knows where; a basement, insane asylum, library - I don't know. Give me the name of a Christian theologian, preacher, someone that has a that respectable or decent following that believes like you do.

    coming to the rescue of a demented Christian woman
     
    She doesn't need my help - she stepped out the ring - you're shadow boxing and your pants keep falling down. Hey, it's entertaining - no doubt, like the Simpsons or something, but I don't take Sideshow Bob seriously either.

    Your wife is a Caucasian and she used to be a Christian until she married you. She chose to degenerate to your level. You have no concept of a real Caucasian Christian woman. Your spouse had half Asian Paki offspring and converted to Islam. She ended her biological superiority with you. She has also damned her soul. I recall you have an Egyptian Muslim brother-in-law. Egyptian Muslims have black ancestry. If you have nieces and nephews by this man, your children are further degenerated by their relation to them.

    Your opinions on Christianity are worthless because they are coming from a heretic. You have no concept of real Christianity. Also, being an Asian, you have no concept of the West and its racial soul. I am pointing out biological facts to Christians who cannot deal with reality. At least they have a theological basis to try and refute me. They cannot. Biology and beliefs have into conflict. Biology is winning. The closest Christian sect that matches my beliefs is the Orthodox Church. The churches are racial/ethnic. The Orthodox Church will be the Church of the West. If you want to convert to Christianity, you can start your Pakistani church.

    Rosamund has not answered by questions and comments about the Chinese and RCC. She cannot. She does not know how to deal with these new realities.

    I am one person now. But I do comment on other websites. I’ve started hearing commentators make statements such as I type. They don’t give me credit. That’s ok. It’s important to get these conversations started.

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    I urge you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree in what you say, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and in the same purpose.f
    11
    For it has been reported to me about you, my brothers, by Chloe’s people, that there are rivalries among you.
    12
    I mean that each of you is saying, “I belong to* Paul,” or “I belong to Apollos,” or “I belong to Cephas,” or “I belong to Christ.”g
    13
    * Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

    1Cor 1:10-13
     
    , @Talha
    Thanks for insulting my extended family.

    So you admit your views are likely more marginal than the Lords Resistance Army. That’s fine. Again, a simple name of anybody who is a theologian, pastor, scholar that has a respectable following of say 500 or maybe even a specific church body will do.

    The Orthodox Church has nothing to do with your racial supremacist views; if you have proof, then cite a source that matches your views on race from any of the patriarchs, past or present. Should be fairly simple; I can cite hundreds of sources for my mainline Islamic doctrine.
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  200. @dfordoom

    I’ve read other articles that China will publish its own Bible, a Chinese bible, in keeping with their socialist values. It looks like they are Sinoizing Christianity. What’s your opinion about this? It seems they want “Chinese Christianity.”
     
    They'd be better off without any kind of Christianity. Christianity has led the West to ruin - the Chinese would be well advised to discourage Christianity in their country. If they can't get rid of it completely then a Sinoized Christianity would at least be less harmful.

    Christianity will prove to be a menace to Chinese civilisation.

    I heard some podcast a couple of weeks ago that the Chinese do not trust the RCC because they see it as a globalizing institution which will destroy their homogeneous country. I have to agree with the Chinese on this point. Cuck pope Frannie is behind the black/Asian/Muslim invasion of Western Europe. The Eastern Europeans are fine. They are mixed with RCC and Orthodox so this a blessing. You are correct in that it is better for China to deal with their own Christianity. For whatever reason God made Asian people, I leave it up to Him to deal with them after their die. I watch many RCC shows and they whine about the Chinese and Sudanese. These people are disgusting. We need to save the West before we worry about other people.

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    It is entirely possible to loyal to nation, state and ethnicity without violating one's faith as established by Christ, unless said contradicts the command of Christ.

    Note: our immigration laws do not.
    , @dfordoom

    I heard some podcast a couple of weeks ago that the Chinese do not trust the RCC because they see it as a globalizing institution which will destroy their homogeneous country. I have to agree with the Chinese on this point.
     
    Yes, the Chinese are absolutely correct. The RCC is a globalizing institution which has already helped to destroy the West. At this point in time the RCC is a major force for evil in the world.

    Tragically, Christianity in general is now mostly a force for evil. The RCC is very bad but mostly the Protestants are even worse.

    Christianity today is a religion for women, homosexuals and cucks.
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  201. @EliteCommInc.
    laughing.

    Look you are entitled to invent, create and advocate whatever form faith in Christ you choose. Just know this, nothing in scripture supports your advocacy. You seem to think that whites aren't sinners -- by your own comments I, not my speculation.


    Scripture contradicts the very suggestion as mankind is relegated to the same place by sin -- no exceptions for IQ. skin color, social class or anything else.

    Laugh. Your issue is not me, but with scripture and Christ. It is not something I could subscribe to as it challenges the very cause of Christ's death and his resurrection. Not a single apostle endorses this manner of faith and practice.

    Galations 3:

    "26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."


    Collations 3:

    "8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, 10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, 11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all."

    I don't know what else to say, aside from the observation in scripture which in context disagrees, with you and that would include the doctrine of the catholic faith.


    As I said, I think you are being mischievous. And I am laughing.

    Not at your expense.

    “being mischievous,” You strike me as the kind of male who tells a woman how beautiful she looks when she’s angry. I never said Caucasians were not sinners. I stated that an IQ of 85 and less will always lead to criminal behavior, i.e., sin. People with IQs of 90+ will sin, but they at least create functioning societies and countries. I am a Christian and live by Christian principles. I do have a prayer in which I thank the Lord for making me a Caucasian with an IQ of 90+. I know Orthodox Jewish men have a prayer where they thank God for not making them a woman. God doesn’t hear their prayers and they are haram anyway. I have no quarrel with the Scriptures. But, they do not deal with biology, IQ. They are spiritual. And, once, again, spiritual development is tied to IQ. We are allowed to read other books besides the Bible. Also, the stories in the Bible are limited to a small area. They knew about India and southern Africa but had little contact with these places. We live in a different world today. We see these people up close and they cannot be in the West.

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    As for when a woman is attractive when she's angry. depends on the women, the issue and the circumstances.

    As for your dance around color IQ , , , and the nature or tendency to violate the law --- nothing in scripture supports any such notion, that this person or that person is going to be more likely to sin -- this is the IQ morality press dressed up in details.

    I think with respect to education, it's a safe bet that among the Jews, the pharisees, Sadducees and rabbi's would be those with most recognized intelligence --- and it was not unusual for Christ to have choice words for them ----

    As for the dance around IQ criminal behavior and sin --- what is legal and what is sinful -- are not synonymous. If one had relations with a woman not my wife, it's not illegal, but it is sinful.


    So goes the matter of attempting to explicate spiritual relations via human contexts. Sins may or may not be illegal and Christ in no manner explicates sin this manner. Your entire model has no basis in scripture. So regardless of how you design it via the rhetoric -- it will be rebutted and unsupported by Christ, the apostles and scripture.


    I am a very bitter guy - very. There's no law against bitterness, but it a position condemned by Christ. It wouldn't matter a lick what my IQ, skin color, class status or celebrity status -- my bitterness is still accounted as sin and perhaps the worst sin because it rejects the founding and guiding principle of forgiveness ---

    It doesn't matter how many intellectual hoola hoops I make to justify it -- it's not illegal -- it's sin.

    As I noted you are welcome to make up whatever manner of faith and practice you desire in your walk with Christ. My position is simple, it is not supported by scripture.

    , @Bliss

    I do have a prayer in which I thank the Lord for making me a Caucasian with an IQ of 90+.
     
    Lol. That’s too low. You need an IQ of 105+ to get to heaven. That’s why China wants to separate it’s church from lower IQ races like yours. I am sure you have no problem with that, right?

    I know Orthodox Jewish men have a prayer where they thank God for not making them a woman. God doesn’t hear their prayers and they are haram anyway.
     
    Haram? Hmmm, I knew there was something very fishy about you.
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  202. @attilathehen
    You did not answer my direct questions about the RCC and China. You refuse to deal with reality. The RCC has been broken up. Diversity broke it. Jesus was not a cuck. He was a brave Man who died for people. Stop being ridiculous. I said blacks/Asians must have their own churches. China is beginning this policy. There is nothing cuck pope Frannie can do about it.

    I have no idea what’s going to be put in or left out of the Chinese Bible, so obviously I can’t comment on it. Translation is tricky: sometimes translating the words accurately completely misses the connotations of the expression used. The NABRE is supposed to be pretty accurate, but we all know the DRV and KJV sound more majestic. Is the majesty inaccurate? Scholars say the Koine of the NT is very dry, businessy wording, used for memos about late shipments, requests for more olive oil, and complaints that the Rhodian perfumes aren’t selling very well. Does that give the Gospels more weight, because their authors are so matter-of-fact about what happened instead of wallowing in the ancient version of purple prose?

    I’m not a big admirer of Pope Francis or post-Vatican II guitar masses, but the Church has withstood the current events and fads of many eras. It has ALWAYS been that way, as we see by Paul’s warnings:

    I say this so that no one may deceive you by specious arguments.
    5
    For even if I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing as I observe your good order and the firmness of your faith in Christ.
    6
    So, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, walk in him,
    7
    rooted in him and built upon him and established in the faith as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
    8
    See to it that no one captivate you with an empty, seductive philosophy according to human tradition, according to the elemental powers of the world* and not according to Christ.

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    "but the Church has withstood the current events and fads of many eras" The Church cannot withstand low IQ. You are looking at history from an incorrect perspective. The past 2000 years do not matter because up until Vatican II, the RCC was Caucasian/European. Now that the world has been settled, we can see stark racial differences which point out IQ differences. I specifically named RCC Haiti and El Salvador as proof that beliefs cannot change biology. You must deal with reality.
    , @dfordoom

    I’m not a big admirer of Pope Francis or post-Vatican II guitar masses, but the Church has withstood the current events and fads of many eras.

     

    It's no longer a question of whether the Church can survive. It will survive, and it will become just another secular liberal SJW-dominated NGO working for the destruction of civilisation.

    The question now is whether western civilisation would have a better chance of survival if the Church didn't survive. It may well be that the sooner Christianity disappears the better.

    The Church is a bit like "conservative" political parties, which need to die in order to allow something more positive to emerge. A religious revival is needed in the West but it can only happen if the established churches die.
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  203. @attilathehen
    Stop taking a Caucasian Christian woman seriously? Oh, but we should take a low IQ Asian Muslim (Christian heretic) seriously? You may have a copy of the Screwtape Letters but since you are a functional illiterate you don't comprende, no Muslims in heaven. You shtick, a Christian heretic coming to the rescue of a demented Christian woman is funny though. It's very Seinfeldian. You need to seriously fear God. You are not a Christian.

    “a demented Christian woman”

    For if we are out of our minds,* it is for God; if we are rational, it is for you.
    2Col 5:13

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  204. @attilathehen
    Your wife is a Caucasian and she used to be a Christian until she married you. She chose to degenerate to your level. You have no concept of a real Caucasian Christian woman. Your spouse had half Asian Paki offspring and converted to Islam. She ended her biological superiority with you. She has also damned her soul. I recall you have an Egyptian Muslim brother-in-law. Egyptian Muslims have black ancestry. If you have nieces and nephews by this man, your children are further degenerated by their relation to them.

    Your opinions on Christianity are worthless because they are coming from a heretic. You have no concept of real Christianity. Also, being an Asian, you have no concept of the West and its racial soul. I am pointing out biological facts to Christians who cannot deal with reality. At least they have a theological basis to try and refute me. They cannot. Biology and beliefs have into conflict. Biology is winning. The closest Christian sect that matches my beliefs is the Orthodox Church. The churches are racial/ethnic. The Orthodox Church will be the Church of the West. If you want to convert to Christianity, you can start your Pakistani church.

    Rosamund has not answered by questions and comments about the Chinese and RCC. She cannot. She does not know how to deal with these new realities.

    I am one person now. But I do comment on other websites. I've started hearing commentators make statements such as I type. They don't give me credit. That's ok. It's important to get these conversations started.

    I urge you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree in what you say, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and in the same purpose.f
    11
    For it has been reported to me about you, my brothers, by Chloe’s people, that there are rivalries among you.
    12
    I mean that each of you is saying, “I belong to* Paul,” or “I belong to Apollos,” or “I belong to Cephas,” or “I belong to Christ.”g
    13
    * Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

    1Cor 1:10-13

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  205. Talha says:
    @attilathehen
    Your wife is a Caucasian and she used to be a Christian until she married you. She chose to degenerate to your level. You have no concept of a real Caucasian Christian woman. Your spouse had half Asian Paki offspring and converted to Islam. She ended her biological superiority with you. She has also damned her soul. I recall you have an Egyptian Muslim brother-in-law. Egyptian Muslims have black ancestry. If you have nieces and nephews by this man, your children are further degenerated by their relation to them.

    Your opinions on Christianity are worthless because they are coming from a heretic. You have no concept of real Christianity. Also, being an Asian, you have no concept of the West and its racial soul. I am pointing out biological facts to Christians who cannot deal with reality. At least they have a theological basis to try and refute me. They cannot. Biology and beliefs have into conflict. Biology is winning. The closest Christian sect that matches my beliefs is the Orthodox Church. The churches are racial/ethnic. The Orthodox Church will be the Church of the West. If you want to convert to Christianity, you can start your Pakistani church.

    Rosamund has not answered by questions and comments about the Chinese and RCC. She cannot. She does not know how to deal with these new realities.

    I am one person now. But I do comment on other websites. I've started hearing commentators make statements such as I type. They don't give me credit. That's ok. It's important to get these conversations started.

    Thanks for insulting my extended family.

    So you admit your views are likely more marginal than the Lords Resistance Army. That’s fine. Again, a simple name of anybody who is a theologian, pastor, scholar that has a respectable following of say 500 or maybe even a specific church body will do.

    The Orthodox Church has nothing to do with your racial supremacist views; if you have proof, then cite a source that matches your views on race from any of the patriarchs, past or present. Should be fairly simple; I can cite hundreds of sources for my mainline Islamic doctrine.

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    You're welcome.

    One more time. Your hundreds of sources for you Islamic doctrine are worthless because Islam is a Christian heresy. All your sources are flawed, false, misleading.

    Again, one more time. Orthodox Churches are racial/ ethnic. Have you heard of Greek, Serbian, Russian etc.? Racial/ethnic separation is implied. Again, you don't understand this because Islam only sees two worlds: Dar al Harb and Dar al Islam. When Islam takes over a people, country it destroys everything. The North African Caucasians were destroyed by Islamic black slavery, polygamy, concubinage. You are Pakistani. Originally you were a part of India and your genetics were ruined by mixing with Asians. In Pakistan, first cousin marriage from Islamic practice finished the destruction of the Pakistanis.

    Eastern Europeans built walls to keep out the invading blacks/Muslims/Asian, who have now flooded Western European. They implicitly said blacks/Muslims/Asians come from inferior cultures and do not belong in Europe.

    One more time: you cannot understand any of this because you are Asian/Muslim.
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  206. @Talha
    Thanks for insulting my extended family.

    So you admit your views are likely more marginal than the Lords Resistance Army. That’s fine. Again, a simple name of anybody who is a theologian, pastor, scholar that has a respectable following of say 500 or maybe even a specific church body will do.

    The Orthodox Church has nothing to do with your racial supremacist views; if you have proof, then cite a source that matches your views on race from any of the patriarchs, past or present. Should be fairly simple; I can cite hundreds of sources for my mainline Islamic doctrine.

    You’re welcome.

    One more time. Your hundreds of sources for you Islamic doctrine are worthless because Islam is a Christian heresy. All your sources are flawed, false, misleading.

    Again, one more time. Orthodox Churches are racial/ ethnic. Have you heard of Greek, Serbian, Russian etc.? Racial/ethnic separation is implied. Again, you don’t understand this because Islam only sees two worlds: Dar al Harb and Dar al Islam. When Islam takes over a people, country it destroys everything. The North African Caucasians were destroyed by Islamic black slavery, polygamy, concubinage. You are Pakistani. Originally you were a part of India and your genetics were ruined by mixing with Asians. In Pakistan, first cousin marriage from Islamic practice finished the destruction of the Pakistanis.

    Eastern Europeans built walls to keep out the invading blacks/Muslims/Asian, who have now flooded Western European. They implicitly said blacks/Muslims/Asians come from inferior cultures and do not belong in Europe.

    One more time: you cannot understand any of this because you are Asian/Muslim.

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    Cool, so you’re for ecclesiastical-supported ethnic separatism; totally fine with me - not my religion.

    But I cannot think of any Orthodox Church whose doctrine assumes the racial superiority over another. I’m simply asking for doctrinal evidence and you seem incapable of producing it - sidestepping the question by various unimaginative insults on Islam.

    Again, I’d simply like names of any Christian religious leader or theologian with any serious following that thinks like you. You seem incapable of producing a single one, which means I am right not to take you seriously.

    You don’t need Islam to destroy the West, the West is doing a fine job on its own.

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  207. @Rosamond Vincy
    I have no idea what's going to be put in or left out of the Chinese Bible, so obviously I can't comment on it. Translation is tricky: sometimes translating the words accurately completely misses the connotations of the expression used. The NABRE is supposed to be pretty accurate, but we all know the DRV and KJV sound more majestic. Is the majesty inaccurate? Scholars say the Koine of the NT is very dry, businessy wording, used for memos about late shipments, requests for more olive oil, and complaints that the Rhodian perfumes aren't selling very well. Does that give the Gospels more weight, because their authors are so matter-of-fact about what happened instead of wallowing in the ancient version of purple prose?

    I'm not a big admirer of Pope Francis or post-Vatican II guitar masses, but the Church has withstood the current events and fads of many eras. It has ALWAYS been that way, as we see by Paul's warnings:

    I say this so that no one may deceive you by specious arguments.
    5
    For even if I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing as I observe your good order and the firmness of your faith in Christ.
    6
    So, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, walk in him,
    7
    rooted in him and built upon him and established in the faith as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
    8
    See to it that no one captivate you with an empty, seductive philosophy according to human tradition, according to the elemental powers of the world* and not according to Christ.
     

    “but the Church has withstood the current events and fads of many eras” The Church cannot withstand low IQ. You are looking at history from an incorrect perspective. The past 2000 years do not matter because up until Vatican II, the RCC was Caucasian/European. Now that the world has been settled, we can see stark racial differences which point out IQ differences. I specifically named RCC Haiti and El Salvador as proof that beliefs cannot change biology. You must deal with reality.

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    The Church cannot withstand low IQ.
     
    So Jesus could heal lameness, blindness, muteness, leprosy, possession by demons, and raise people from the dead, including Himself, but His Church can't handle low IQ?

    Golly. To think He told Peter "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it," but a few supposedly dim bulbs could bring it down.

    BTW, I know nothing about Talha besides what I've read here, but I see no evidence that he's cognitively impaired.

    Do you happen to remember what Jesus said about people who go around calling others "Thou fool"?
    , @dfordoom

    The Church cannot withstand low IQ.
     
    Nonsense. Low IQ and/or uneducated people are not the ones who do the most harm. It's the high IQ idiots you have to worry about - they're the ones who believe the crazy civilisation-destroying ideas (the ideas so crazy that only intellectuals can be persuaded to believe them), they're the ones who have undermined religion.
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  208. Talha says:
    @attilathehen
    You're welcome.

    One more time. Your hundreds of sources for you Islamic doctrine are worthless because Islam is a Christian heresy. All your sources are flawed, false, misleading.

    Again, one more time. Orthodox Churches are racial/ ethnic. Have you heard of Greek, Serbian, Russian etc.? Racial/ethnic separation is implied. Again, you don't understand this because Islam only sees two worlds: Dar al Harb and Dar al Islam. When Islam takes over a people, country it destroys everything. The North African Caucasians were destroyed by Islamic black slavery, polygamy, concubinage. You are Pakistani. Originally you were a part of India and your genetics were ruined by mixing with Asians. In Pakistan, first cousin marriage from Islamic practice finished the destruction of the Pakistanis.

    Eastern Europeans built walls to keep out the invading blacks/Muslims/Asian, who have now flooded Western European. They implicitly said blacks/Muslims/Asians come from inferior cultures and do not belong in Europe.

    One more time: you cannot understand any of this because you are Asian/Muslim.

    Cool, so you’re for ecclesiastical-supported ethnic separatism; totally fine with me – not my religion.

    But I cannot think of any Orthodox Church whose doctrine assumes the racial superiority over another. I’m simply asking for doctrinal evidence and you seem incapable of producing it – sidestepping the question by various unimaginative insults on Islam.

    Again, I’d simply like names of any Christian religious leader or theologian with any serious following that thinks like you. You seem incapable of producing a single one, which means I am right not to take you seriously.

    You don’t need Islam to destroy the West, the West is doing a fine job on its own.

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    Of course you are for racial/ethnic intermixing, Islam is a universal belief system.

    Islam will not destroy the West. Its low IQ adherents don't have that kind of power.

    What can destroy the West is the RCC and the Zioevangizers. Universal brotherhood and church are the problems. This is only happening in Western Europe. Eastern Europe is fine. Fortunately, the resistance is rising and these issues will be dealt with.
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  209. @attilathehen
    "but the Church has withstood the current events and fads of many eras" The Church cannot withstand low IQ. You are looking at history from an incorrect perspective. The past 2000 years do not matter because up until Vatican II, the RCC was Caucasian/European. Now that the world has been settled, we can see stark racial differences which point out IQ differences. I specifically named RCC Haiti and El Salvador as proof that beliefs cannot change biology. You must deal with reality.

    The Church cannot withstand low IQ.

    So Jesus could heal lameness, blindness, muteness, leprosy, possession by demons, and raise people from the dead, including Himself, but His Church can’t handle low IQ?

    Golly. To think He told Peter “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it,” but a few supposedly dim bulbs could bring it down.

    BTW, I know nothing about Talha besides what I’ve read here, but I see no evidence that he’s cognitively impaired.

    Do you happen to remember what Jesus said about people who go around calling others “Thou fool”?

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    You are describing physical ailments. These have been cured in modern times because of the advances in medicine. How were these advances made? By people with high IQs. The late Stephen Hawking is an example of someone physically impaired but with a high IQ. Blacks/Asians may be healthy, but with low IQs they have no use. These groups did not invent anything. "Sin" is directly tied to low IQ. Do you not read crime statistics?

    Talha is in the talented 10% of Pakis. Average Pakistani IQ is 84. He is the rare exception, not the rule. He has enough brains to realize the truth, but he tied down by his Asian background.

    Once again, if you want to associate and live with blacks/Asians in the RCC, fine. But we want something else.

    Look at Japan. Average IQ 100. They are the only intelligent Asians and have built a modern, wealthy, democratic country. They are not Christians. They do not allow immigration into their country. They have very little crime and there is no income inequality. Do you not want this for the West? Separate blacks/Asians/Jews. The evil Jesuits are going to try to convert them. It won't work because they can see what the RCC has done to Western Europe.

    The RCC has declared Africa to be the future of the West. You will see twerking in churches.
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  210. @attilathehen
    "being mischievous," You strike me as the kind of male who tells a woman how beautiful she looks when she's angry. I never said Caucasians were not sinners. I stated that an IQ of 85 and less will always lead to criminal behavior, i.e., sin. People with IQs of 90+ will sin, but they at least create functioning societies and countries. I am a Christian and live by Christian principles. I do have a prayer in which I thank the Lord for making me a Caucasian with an IQ of 90+. I know Orthodox Jewish men have a prayer where they thank God for not making them a woman. God doesn't hear their prayers and they are haram anyway. I have no quarrel with the Scriptures. But, they do not deal with biology, IQ. They are spiritual. And, once, again, spiritual development is tied to IQ. We are allowed to read other books besides the Bible. Also, the stories in the Bible are limited to a small area. They knew about India and southern Africa but had little contact with these places. We live in a different world today. We see these people up close and they cannot be in the West.

    As for when a woman is attractive when she’s angry. depends on the women, the issue and the circumstances.

    As for your dance around color IQ , , , and the nature or tendency to violate the law — nothing in scripture supports any such notion, that this person or that person is going to be more likely to sin — this is the IQ morality press dressed up in details.

    I think with respect to education, it’s a safe bet that among the Jews, the pharisees, Sadducees and rabbi’s would be those with most recognized intelligence — and it was not unusual for Christ to have choice words for them —-

    As for the dance around IQ criminal behavior and sin — what is legal and what is sinful — are not synonymous. If one had relations with a woman not my wife, it’s not illegal, but it is sinful.

    So goes the matter of attempting to explicate spiritual relations via human contexts. Sins may or may not be illegal and Christ in no manner explicates sin this manner. Your entire model has no basis in scripture. So regardless of how you design it via the rhetoric — it will be rebutted and unsupported by Christ, the apostles and scripture.

    I am a very bitter guy – very. There’s no law against bitterness, but it a position condemned by Christ. It wouldn’t matter a lick what my IQ, skin color, class status or celebrity status — my bitterness is still accounted as sin and perhaps the worst sin because it rejects the founding and guiding principle of forgiveness —

    It doesn’t matter how many intellectual hoola hoops I make to justify it — it’s not illegal — it’s sin.

    As I noted you are welcome to make up whatever manner of faith and practice you desire in your walk with Christ. My position is simple, it is not supported by scripture.

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    "I think with respect to education, it’s a safe bet that among the Jews, the pharisees, Sadducees and rabbi’s would be those with most recognized intelligence — and it was not unusual for Christ to have choice words for them"

    Amen and amen! In addition:

    Acts 4:13 Observing the boldness of Peter and John and perceiving them to be uneducated, ordinary men, they were amazed, and they recognized them as the companions of Jesus.
     

    1Cor1:18 The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

    “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
    and the learning of the learned I will set aside.”

    20 Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish? 21 [i]For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, Jews and Greeks alike, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

    The Corinthians and Paul.[j] 26 Consider your own calling, brothers. Not many of you were wise by human standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27 Rather, God chose the foolish of the world to shame the wise, and God chose the weak of the world to shame the strong, 28 and God chose the lowly and despised of the world, those who count for nothing, to reduce to nothing those who are something, 29 so that no human being might boast[k] before God. 30 It is due to him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, as well as righteousness, sanctification, and redemption, 31 so that, as it is written, “Whoever boasts, should boast in the Lord.”

     

    , @Talha

    My position is simple, it is not supported by scripture.
     
    Which is buttressed by my position; if you can’t even point out a congregation at the mere level of the marginal Westboro Baptist Church or a single serious theologian or clergyman, pastor, etc., then your view is without much merit. Opinions are like bellybuttons; everyone has one - but who cares.

    I mean I’ve seen some fairly left-field positions from certain marginal Christians like this one:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Only_movement

    But at least they have some traction in their community.

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  211. @EliteCommInc.
    As for when a woman is attractive when she's angry. depends on the women, the issue and the circumstances.

    As for your dance around color IQ , , , and the nature or tendency to violate the law --- nothing in scripture supports any such notion, that this person or that person is going to be more likely to sin -- this is the IQ morality press dressed up in details.

    I think with respect to education, it's a safe bet that among the Jews, the pharisees, Sadducees and rabbi's would be those with most recognized intelligence --- and it was not unusual for Christ to have choice words for them ----

    As for the dance around IQ criminal behavior and sin --- what is legal and what is sinful -- are not synonymous. If one had relations with a woman not my wife, it's not illegal, but it is sinful.


    So goes the matter of attempting to explicate spiritual relations via human contexts. Sins may or may not be illegal and Christ in no manner explicates sin this manner. Your entire model has no basis in scripture. So regardless of how you design it via the rhetoric -- it will be rebutted and unsupported by Christ, the apostles and scripture.


    I am a very bitter guy - very. There's no law against bitterness, but it a position condemned by Christ. It wouldn't matter a lick what my IQ, skin color, class status or celebrity status -- my bitterness is still accounted as sin and perhaps the worst sin because it rejects the founding and guiding principle of forgiveness ---

    It doesn't matter how many intellectual hoola hoops I make to justify it -- it's not illegal -- it's sin.

    As I noted you are welcome to make up whatever manner of faith and practice you desire in your walk with Christ. My position is simple, it is not supported by scripture.

    “I think with respect to education, it’s a safe bet that among the Jews, the pharisees, Sadducees and rabbi’s would be those with most recognized intelligence — and it was not unusual for Christ to have choice words for them”

    Amen and amen! In addition:

    Acts 4:13 Observing the boldness of Peter and John and perceiving them to be uneducated, ordinary men, they were amazed, and they recognized them as the companions of Jesus.

    1Cor1:18 The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

    “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
    and the learning of the learned I will set aside.”

    20 Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish? 21 [i]For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, Jews and Greeks alike, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

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  212. @Rosamond Vincy
    Not all of us are tactful enough to share the Gospel without doing more harm than keeping silence, but I'm pretty sure there's a prohibition against actively driving other people away.

    A life in Christ in my view is not static . . . as one’s willingness to give in to the holy spirit, so is one’s greater likeness to christ . . . the new self is immediately new — but the old self keeps getting in one’s way – sometimes.

    just to be clear — nothing and I mean nothing about being a christian condones violating US border laws, as they exist today.

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  213. @attilathehen
    I heard some podcast a couple of weeks ago that the Chinese do not trust the RCC because they see it as a globalizing institution which will destroy their homogeneous country. I have to agree with the Chinese on this point. Cuck pope Frannie is behind the black/Asian/Muslim invasion of Western Europe. The Eastern Europeans are fine. They are mixed with RCC and Orthodox so this a blessing. You are correct in that it is better for China to deal with their own Christianity. For whatever reason God made Asian people, I leave it up to Him to deal with them after their die. I watch many RCC shows and they whine about the Chinese and Sudanese. These people are disgusting. We need to save the West before we worry about other people.

    It is entirely possible to loyal to nation, state and ethnicity without violating one’s faith as established by Christ, unless said contradicts the command of Christ.

    Note: our immigration laws do not.

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    If you are Roman Catholic and accept black/Asian priests-popes, you are the problem.
    , @dfordoom

    It is entirely possible to loyal to nation, state and ethnicity without violating one’s faith as established by Christ,
     
    It isn't really. It's like having dual citizenship - at some point you're going to betray one of the two nations of which you're a citizen.
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  214. Correction:

    It may very well be that not sharing the gospel for certain people is a good idea Alstaire Cook once wrote about bothering the Queen’s Palace Guard, as one might be liable as

    “One’s liable to get their head broke.” The Americans

    Alistaire Cook – I think.

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  215. Talha says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    As for when a woman is attractive when she's angry. depends on the women, the issue and the circumstances.

    As for your dance around color IQ , , , and the nature or tendency to violate the law --- nothing in scripture supports any such notion, that this person or that person is going to be more likely to sin -- this is the IQ morality press dressed up in details.

    I think with respect to education, it's a safe bet that among the Jews, the pharisees, Sadducees and rabbi's would be those with most recognized intelligence --- and it was not unusual for Christ to have choice words for them ----

    As for the dance around IQ criminal behavior and sin --- what is legal and what is sinful -- are not synonymous. If one had relations with a woman not my wife, it's not illegal, but it is sinful.


    So goes the matter of attempting to explicate spiritual relations via human contexts. Sins may or may not be illegal and Christ in no manner explicates sin this manner. Your entire model has no basis in scripture. So regardless of how you design it via the rhetoric -- it will be rebutted and unsupported by Christ, the apostles and scripture.


    I am a very bitter guy - very. There's no law against bitterness, but it a position condemned by Christ. It wouldn't matter a lick what my IQ, skin color, class status or celebrity status -- my bitterness is still accounted as sin and perhaps the worst sin because it rejects the founding and guiding principle of forgiveness ---

    It doesn't matter how many intellectual hoola hoops I make to justify it -- it's not illegal -- it's sin.

    As I noted you are welcome to make up whatever manner of faith and practice you desire in your walk with Christ. My position is simple, it is not supported by scripture.

    My position is simple, it is not supported by scripture.

    Which is buttressed by my position; if you can’t even point out a congregation at the mere level of the marginal Westboro Baptist Church or a single serious theologian or clergyman, pastor, etc., then your view is without much merit. Opinions are like bellybuttons; everyone has one – but who cares.

    I mean I’ve seen some fairly left-field positions from certain marginal Christians like this one:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Only_movement

    But at least they have some traction in their community.

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  216. @Talha
    Cool, so you’re for ecclesiastical-supported ethnic separatism; totally fine with me - not my religion.

    But I cannot think of any Orthodox Church whose doctrine assumes the racial superiority over another. I’m simply asking for doctrinal evidence and you seem incapable of producing it - sidestepping the question by various unimaginative insults on Islam.

    Again, I’d simply like names of any Christian religious leader or theologian with any serious following that thinks like you. You seem incapable of producing a single one, which means I am right not to take you seriously.

    You don’t need Islam to destroy the West, the West is doing a fine job on its own.

    Of course you are for racial/ethnic intermixing, Islam is a universal belief system.

    Islam will not destroy the West. Its low IQ adherents don’t have that kind of power.

    What can destroy the West is the RCC and the Zioevangizers. Universal brotherhood and church are the problems. This is only happening in Western Europe. Eastern Europe is fine. Fortunately, the resistance is rising and these issues will be dealt with.

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    Of course you are for racial/ethnic intermixing, Islam is a universal belief system.
     
    Yes Islam is a universal belief system. But I am neither pro-mixing or anti-mixing because both positions are silly. People will make the choices they want to based on what they prioritize for their families and their future, for example...

    Recently, I spoke to a Bosnian brother in my Sufi Order a few nights ago at a fundraiser. The subject came up about him trying to find a husband for his young daughter. He said he is taking trips with her to Bosnia to his old village to find someone since they know the families and there are good pious men there - he doesn't like too many of the Bosnian men he has seen around here. I asked him; well, there are also Albanians around here - so what about one of them? He said; yeah, but the culture is different as well as the language, and they couldn't be confident about being able to do real good background check on the guy and his family.

    There was no air of ethnic superiority nor did I feel at any point he was being prejudiced - at all. Nor did I feel any distance from him as his brother in faith. All of his concerns were valid concerns from a father's perspective. It makes total sense - of course one prefers familiarity when it comes to marriage; the similar culture, language, food, etc. make for a more stable marriage - there is no racism involved - I mean, he was interested much even in Albanians. Now if he sets up his daughter with some idiot, impious Bosnian over a good, pious Albanian or Syrian or Pakistani, then I will be very disappointed, but he has his priorities straight.

    Eastern Europe is fine.
     
    Yes, all good - except for the fertility rates in a nose dive that are often even worse than Western nations. Why can't High-IQ nations fix this? Or is this all part of the grand plan?

    Fortunately, the resistance is rising and these issues will be dealt with.
     
    Good for you - now again; the name of the church or a single theologian, please?

    I'm getting a little tired of asking.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Actually, Muslim medicine (Ibn Sana, called Avicenna in the West), Muslim arithmetic, and Muslim literature (the Layla-Menoun poems, which influenced Courtly Love from Arthurian legends to Romeo and Juliet, and beyond) were at the forefront of Medieval knowledge. Western texts relied on them as prized sources.

    Are the people there now functioning on this level? Why no, they aren't: Ibn Sana's medieval writings on female health are way more advanced than the horrible things that are bring done to girls and the lack of proper health care for pregnant women and new mothers. But there is no reason why they couldn't achieve their former level of civilization and advance still more, if this is solely a genetic issue. Afghanistan in the '70s was a modern place--look up the pictures.

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    FROM St. Augustine's De Doctrina Christiana (On Christian Doctrine), 40 (60, 61)

    Chapter 40.—Whatever Has Been Rightly Said by the Heathen, We Must Appropriate to Our Uses.


    60. Moreover, if those who are called philosophers, and especially the Platonists, have said aught that is true and in harmony with our faith, we are not only not to shrink from it, but to claim it for our own use from those who have unlawful possession of it. For, as the Egyptians had not only the idols and heavy burdens which the people of Israel hated and fled from, but also vessels and ornaments of gold and silver, and garments, which the same people when going out of Egypt appropriated to themselves, designing them for a better use, not doing this on their own authority, but by the command of God, the Egyptians themselves, in their ignorance, providing them with things which they themselves were not making a good use of; in the same way all branches of heathen learning have not only false and superstitious fancies and heavy burdens of unnecessary toil, which every one of us, when going out under the leadership of Christ from the fellowship of the heathen, ought to abhor and avoid; but they contain also liberal instruction which is better adapted to the use of the truth, and some most excellent precepts of morality; and some truths in regard even to the worship of the One God are found among them. Now these are, so to speak, their gold and silver, which they did not create themselves, but dug out of the mines of God’s providence which are everywhere scattered abroad, and are perversely and unlawfully prostituting to the worship of devils. These, therefore, the Christian, when he separates himself in spirit from the miserable fellowship of these men, ought to take away from them, and to devote to their proper use in preaching the gospel. Their garments, also,—that is, human institutions such as are adapted to that intercourse with men which is indispensable in this life,—we must take and turn to a Christian use.
     
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  217. @EliteCommInc.
    It is entirely possible to loyal to nation, state and ethnicity without violating one's faith as established by Christ, unless said contradicts the command of Christ.

    Note: our immigration laws do not.

    If you are Roman Catholic and accept black/Asian priests-popes, you are the problem.

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    As I note,

    you are entitled to create and advance whatever view you so desire. However, when it comes to matter of faith and practice -- whether, Jew, Christian of any unique denomination (congregation) I will also look to whether scripture old or new support the advance.

    If it does, I will grant it out. If it doesn't I will so clearly state. Your views are sustainable as to any christian practice based on scripture.

    Your description of christian practice has no support scriptural. Even what I understand about Catholicism would reject the notions you claim have some relevance to the practice of faith. There is no IQ, color, class, position, not even a criminal record nor sin itself can separate one from being a follower of christ and all that following christ means. prescription for being selected as head of any body of faith. It is not a suggestion by Christ nor a single apostle. As any manner of christian ethos -- it is unfounded.

    Again, your issue is not with me, and the issue you have created is not on my account, but what is the openess of christ --

    I cannot solve that for you and it appears Christ has no intention of doing solving your preferences either.

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  218. @Rosamond Vincy

    The Church cannot withstand low IQ.
     
    So Jesus could heal lameness, blindness, muteness, leprosy, possession by demons, and raise people from the dead, including Himself, but His Church can't handle low IQ?

    Golly. To think He told Peter "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it," but a few supposedly dim bulbs could bring it down.

    BTW, I know nothing about Talha besides what I've read here, but I see no evidence that he's cognitively impaired.

    Do you happen to remember what Jesus said about people who go around calling others "Thou fool"?

    You are describing physical ailments. These have been cured in modern times because of the advances in medicine. How were these advances made? By people with high IQs. The late Stephen Hawking is an example of someone physically impaired but with a high IQ. Blacks/Asians may be healthy, but with low IQs they have no use. These groups did not invent anything. “Sin” is directly tied to low IQ. Do you not read crime statistics?

    Talha is in the talented 10% of Pakis. Average Pakistani IQ is 84. He is the rare exception, not the rule. He has enough brains to realize the truth, but he tied down by his Asian background.

    Once again, if you want to associate and live with blacks/Asians in the RCC, fine. But we want something else.

    Look at Japan. Average IQ 100. They are the only intelligent Asians and have built a modern, wealthy, democratic country. They are not Christians. They do not allow immigration into their country. They have very little crime and there is no income inequality. Do you not want this for the West? Separate blacks/Asians/Jews. The evil Jesuits are going to try to convert them. It won’t work because they can see what the RCC has done to Western Europe.

    The RCC has declared Africa to be the future of the West. You will see twerking in churches.

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    The evil Jesuits are going to try to convert them. It won’t work because they can see what the RCC has done to Western Europe.
     
    That already happened many centuries ago. They saw what it did in the Philippines and didn’t wan’t to go that route. That happened when the RCC was still your kind of church. Do you know how they wiped out your cult in their land?
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  219. Talha says:
    @attilathehen
    Of course you are for racial/ethnic intermixing, Islam is a universal belief system.

    Islam will not destroy the West. Its low IQ adherents don't have that kind of power.

    What can destroy the West is the RCC and the Zioevangizers. Universal brotherhood and church are the problems. This is only happening in Western Europe. Eastern Europe is fine. Fortunately, the resistance is rising and these issues will be dealt with.

    Of course you are for racial/ethnic intermixing, Islam is a universal belief system.

    Yes Islam is a universal belief system. But I am neither pro-mixing or anti-mixing because both positions are silly. People will make the choices they want to based on what they prioritize for their families and their future, for example…

    Recently, I spoke to a Bosnian brother in my Sufi Order a few nights ago at a fundraiser. The subject came up about him trying to find a husband for his young daughter. He said he is taking trips with her to Bosnia to his old village to find someone since they know the families and there are good pious men there – he doesn’t like too many of the Bosnian men he has seen around here. I asked him; well, there are also Albanians around here – so what about one of them? He said; yeah, but the culture is different as well as the language, and they couldn’t be confident about being able to do real good background check on the guy and his family.

    There was no air of ethnic superiority nor did I feel at any point he was being prejudiced – at all. Nor did I feel any distance from him as his brother in faith. All of his concerns were valid concerns from a father’s perspective. It makes total sense – of course one prefers familiarity when it comes to marriage; the similar culture, language, food, etc. make for a more stable marriage – there is no racism involved – I mean, he was interested much even in Albanians. Now if he sets up his daughter with some idiot, impious Bosnian over a good, pious Albanian or Syrian or Pakistani, then I will be very disappointed, but he has his priorities straight.

    Eastern Europe is fine.

    Yes, all good – except for the fertility rates in a nose dive that are often even worse than Western nations. Why can’t High-IQ nations fix this? Or is this all part of the grand plan?

    Fortunately, the resistance is rising and these issues will be dealt with.

    Good for you – now again; the name of the church or a single theologian, please?

    I’m getting a little tired of asking.

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    The RCC previous to Vatican II condemned Islam as a Christian heresy.

    Again, you are a Christian heretic and belong to a second tier race - Asians.

    Biology first, beliefs second.
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  220. KenH says:
    @Rurik

    You’re right and in some ways protestant denominations can be even worse
     
    yep

    occasionally I'll listen to them on the radio, morbid curiousity I guess

    the other day one of these evangelicals was explaining that we should encourage the Muslims from Africa to flood in because that way it gives Christians a chance to proselytize to these Muslims, who otherwise would be too far away to convert.

    I shit you not.

    It's obvious to me that they're not that dumb. They're corrupt. They've taken their shekels and now betray Christians and Christ. All for their sack of shekels.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3cY5n7v9X8

    because that way it gives Christians a chance to proselytize to these Muslims, who otherwise would be too far away to convert.

    Then it confirms one of my theories that Christians are supporting the invasion because native attendance and interest is declining and they think Muslims and other third world groups will happily convert to Christianity and solve the problem. It doesn’t work that way with Muslims and not only will they violently resist but forcibly attempt to convert the fat head Christians who subscribe to this reality averse worldview.

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    Yeah - it's backfiring - most Muslims that convert out of Islam go atheist (like most Christians). Most of our converts coming into Islam are from Christian background though, by far.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer%27s_remorse
    , @attilathehen
    Excellent points. The most dangerous person is the cuck Caucasian RCC/Zioevangizer/gentile Freemason male. This creature is destroying the West. If he is RCC, he accepts black/Asian priests-popes. If he is a Zioevangizer, he believes present day Jews are the chosen and the smartest tribe. If he is a gentile Freemason, he believes in universal brotherhood.

    I recently saw an RCC program on the RCC channel EWTN in which RCC convert Ross Douthat (New York Times writer) was talking about the cuck pope Frannie. He said part of the problem is that Frannie comes from the southern hemisphere and speaks from a different perspective. He said as the RCC becomes predominantly southern hemisphere and African, we will see more of these problems. This cuck is a complete degenerate. It is time to move the papacy to the Congo or the Philippines.
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  221. Talha says:
    @KenH

    because that way it gives Christians a chance to proselytize to these Muslims, who otherwise would be too far away to convert.
     
    Then it confirms one of my theories that Christians are supporting the invasion because native attendance and interest is declining and they think Muslims and other third world groups will happily convert to Christianity and solve the problem. It doesn't work that way with Muslims and not only will they violently resist but forcibly attempt to convert the fat head Christians who subscribe to this reality averse worldview.

    Yeah – it’s backfiring – most Muslims that convert out of Islam go atheist (like most Christians). Most of our converts coming into Islam are from Christian background though, by far.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer%27s_remorse

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    A "Christian background" is a pretty doubtful thing; by arguable definition it could cover pretty much everybody in the US except the Jews.
    , @KenH
    Whatever their faults, I think Muslims take their religion and its doctrines far more seriously than do Christians today, at least generally speaking. So I don't think they'd be so good natured about conversion attempts nor are they ripe for conversion.

    You might want to check that link because if it contains information on where Islam's converts are coming from it just talks about buyer's remorse.

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  222. @Talha

    Of course you are for racial/ethnic intermixing, Islam is a universal belief system.
     
    Yes Islam is a universal belief system. But I am neither pro-mixing or anti-mixing because both positions are silly. People will make the choices they want to based on what they prioritize for their families and their future, for example...

    Recently, I spoke to a Bosnian brother in my Sufi Order a few nights ago at a fundraiser. The subject came up about him trying to find a husband for his young daughter. He said he is taking trips with her to Bosnia to his old village to find someone since they know the families and there are good pious men there - he doesn't like too many of the Bosnian men he has seen around here. I asked him; well, there are also Albanians around here - so what about one of them? He said; yeah, but the culture is different as well as the language, and they couldn't be confident about being able to do real good background check on the guy and his family.

    There was no air of ethnic superiority nor did I feel at any point he was being prejudiced - at all. Nor did I feel any distance from him as his brother in faith. All of his concerns were valid concerns from a father's perspective. It makes total sense - of course one prefers familiarity when it comes to marriage; the similar culture, language, food, etc. make for a more stable marriage - there is no racism involved - I mean, he was interested much even in Albanians. Now if he sets up his daughter with some idiot, impious Bosnian over a good, pious Albanian or Syrian or Pakistani, then I will be very disappointed, but he has his priorities straight.

    Eastern Europe is fine.
     
    Yes, all good - except for the fertility rates in a nose dive that are often even worse than Western nations. Why can't High-IQ nations fix this? Or is this all part of the grand plan?

    Fortunately, the resistance is rising and these issues will be dealt with.
     
    Good for you - now again; the name of the church or a single theologian, please?

    I'm getting a little tired of asking.

    The RCC previous to Vatican II condemned Islam as a Christian heresy.

    Again, you are a Christian heretic and belong to a second tier race – Asians.

    Biology first, beliefs second.

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    More insults - thanks.

    As I said; please, please, please let us be recognized as a Christian Heresy in the West - I’m all for it. It would be a complete game- changer.

    See the thing is; you can call yourself Napoleon - but if a certain number of people don’t agree with you, then you just come across sounding crazy. And I know you’re not crazy, are you?

    So I assume some critical mass of people agrees with your take on Christian doctrine because otherwise you might be typing this out from a padded cell or something.

    Again, I’m simply asking for one or two names; it’s really not much. So, names of churches or theologians please.
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  223. @KenH

    because that way it gives Christians a chance to proselytize to these Muslims, who otherwise would be too far away to convert.
     
    Then it confirms one of my theories that Christians are supporting the invasion because native attendance and interest is declining and they think Muslims and other third world groups will happily convert to Christianity and solve the problem. It doesn't work that way with Muslims and not only will they violently resist but forcibly attempt to convert the fat head Christians who subscribe to this reality averse worldview.

    Excellent points. The most dangerous person is the cuck Caucasian RCC/Zioevangizer/gentile Freemason male. This creature is destroying the West. If he is RCC, he accepts black/Asian priests-popes. If he is a Zioevangizer, he believes present day Jews are the chosen and the smartest tribe. If he is a gentile Freemason, he believes in universal brotherhood.

    I recently saw an RCC program on the RCC channel EWTN in which RCC convert Ross Douthat (New York Times writer) was talking about the cuck pope Frannie. He said part of the problem is that Frannie comes from the southern hemisphere and speaks from a different perspective. He said as the RCC becomes predominantly southern hemisphere and African, we will see more of these problems. This cuck is a complete degenerate. It is time to move the papacy to the Congo or the Philippines.

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  224. Talha says:
    @attilathehen
    The RCC previous to Vatican II condemned Islam as a Christian heresy.

    Again, you are a Christian heretic and belong to a second tier race - Asians.

    Biology first, beliefs second.

    More insults – thanks.

    As I said; please, please, please let us be recognized as a Christian Heresy in the West – I’m all for it. It would be a complete game- changer.

    See the thing is; you can call yourself Napoleon – but if a certain number of people don’t agree with you, then you just come across sounding crazy. And I know you’re not crazy, are you?

    So I assume some critical mass of people agrees with your take on Christian doctrine because otherwise you might be typing this out from a padded cell or something.

    Again, I’m simply asking for one or two names; it’s really not much. So, names of churches or theologians please.

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  225. @attilathehen
    If you are Roman Catholic and accept black/Asian priests-popes, you are the problem.

    As I note,

    you are entitled to create and advance whatever view you so desire. However, when it comes to matter of faith and practice — whether, Jew, Christian of any unique denomination (congregation) I will also look to whether scripture old or new support the advance.

    If it does, I will grant it out. If it doesn’t I will so clearly state. Your views are sustainable as to any christian practice based on scripture.

    Your description of christian practice has no support scriptural. Even what I understand about Catholicism would reject the notions you claim have some relevance to the practice of faith. There is no IQ, color, class, position, not even a criminal record nor sin itself can separate one from being a follower of christ and all that following christ means. prescription for being selected as head of any body of faith. It is not a suggestion by Christ nor a single apostle. As any manner of christian ethos — it is unfounded.

    Again, your issue is not with me, and the issue you have created is not on my account, but what is the openess of christ —

    I cannot solve that for you and it appears Christ has no intention of doing solving your preferences either.

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    It isn't just what I want. It is what Caucasian/European people want. You are a laggard.
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  226. Bliss says:
    @attilathehen
    "being mischievous," You strike me as the kind of male who tells a woman how beautiful she looks when she's angry. I never said Caucasians were not sinners. I stated that an IQ of 85 and less will always lead to criminal behavior, i.e., sin. People with IQs of 90+ will sin, but they at least create functioning societies and countries. I am a Christian and live by Christian principles. I do have a prayer in which I thank the Lord for making me a Caucasian with an IQ of 90+. I know Orthodox Jewish men have a prayer where they thank God for not making them a woman. God doesn't hear their prayers and they are haram anyway. I have no quarrel with the Scriptures. But, they do not deal with biology, IQ. They are spiritual. And, once, again, spiritual development is tied to IQ. We are allowed to read other books besides the Bible. Also, the stories in the Bible are limited to a small area. They knew about India and southern Africa but had little contact with these places. We live in a different world today. We see these people up close and they cannot be in the West.

    I do have a prayer in which I thank the Lord for making me a Caucasian with an IQ of 90+.

    Lol. That’s too low. You need an IQ of 105+ to get to heaven. That’s why China wants to separate it’s church from lower IQ races like yours. I am sure you have no problem with that, right?

    I know Orthodox Jewish men have a prayer where they thank God for not making them a woman. God doesn’t hear their prayers and they are haram anyway.

    Haram? Hmmm, I knew there was something very fishy about you.

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    Bliss, your functional illiteracy is showing again. Decide what you are and on whose side you are.

    I said an IQ of 90+. My IQ is over 120. The Japanese are the only intelligent Asians. Yet, they are inferior to Caucasians.

    Haram is the Islamic/Arabic word for not kosher. It was a pun I used when I typed about Orthodox Jewish men. Again, your stupidity and humorlessness cannot comprehend things like this.

    I am not Jewish. I do like lox, bagels and cream cheese with onions though.

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  227. Bliss says:
    @attilathehen
    You are describing physical ailments. These have been cured in modern times because of the advances in medicine. How were these advances made? By people with high IQs. The late Stephen Hawking is an example of someone physically impaired but with a high IQ. Blacks/Asians may be healthy, but with low IQs they have no use. These groups did not invent anything. "Sin" is directly tied to low IQ. Do you not read crime statistics?

    Talha is in the talented 10% of Pakis. Average Pakistani IQ is 84. He is the rare exception, not the rule. He has enough brains to realize the truth, but he tied down by his Asian background.

    Once again, if you want to associate and live with blacks/Asians in the RCC, fine. But we want something else.

    Look at Japan. Average IQ 100. They are the only intelligent Asians and have built a modern, wealthy, democratic country. They are not Christians. They do not allow immigration into their country. They have very little crime and there is no income inequality. Do you not want this for the West? Separate blacks/Asians/Jews. The evil Jesuits are going to try to convert them. It won't work because they can see what the RCC has done to Western Europe.

    The RCC has declared Africa to be the future of the West. You will see twerking in churches.

    The evil Jesuits are going to try to convert them. It won’t work because they can see what the RCC has done to Western Europe.

    That already happened many centuries ago. They saw what it did in the Philippines and didn’t wan’t to go that route. That happened when the RCC was still your kind of church. Do you know how they wiped out your cult in their land?

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    I know about the RCC and Japan. The Japanese turned out to be right.
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  228. @EliteCommInc.
    As I note,

    you are entitled to create and advance whatever view you so desire. However, when it comes to matter of faith and practice -- whether, Jew, Christian of any unique denomination (congregation) I will also look to whether scripture old or new support the advance.

    If it does, I will grant it out. If it doesn't I will so clearly state. Your views are sustainable as to any christian practice based on scripture.

    Your description of christian practice has no support scriptural. Even what I understand about Catholicism would reject the notions you claim have some relevance to the practice of faith. There is no IQ, color, class, position, not even a criminal record nor sin itself can separate one from being a follower of christ and all that following christ means. prescription for being selected as head of any body of faith. It is not a suggestion by Christ nor a single apostle. As any manner of christian ethos -- it is unfounded.

    Again, your issue is not with me, and the issue you have created is not on my account, but what is the openess of christ --

    I cannot solve that for you and it appears Christ has no intention of doing solving your preferences either.

    It isn’t just what I want. It is what Caucasian/European people want. You are a laggard.

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    As I said people can create whatever design they want about their faith in Christ ---


    Just know that in my view if it does not comport with scripture whether I am a laggard, a bum, a worthless miscreant ---

    Christ isn't rewarding people based on IQ, skin color, class, status, education, income or what continent they live on --- the message of Christ is for believers whatever their IQ, skin color, income, or the sophistication of their toilet. Now if you can indicate a scripture that makes that case, you are welcome to do so. As people we desire all manner of unique castes and groups of our liking -- bad news for those that think such castes are requirements or are benefits to the kingdom --

    That does not appear to be the case. Christ isn't going say,

    "ok whites, you have the highest kingdom you first." I don't mind having this conversation for fun --- but it's just fun. Salivation is not about IQ, it's not even about whether one is or was a criminal -- it simply does not work that way. It really stumbles many people that think a life in christ is works. When in facts, it's faith which is demonstrated by one works.

    One can what they desire and still be out of line with Christ. I am not the least bit phased by your views. It's just they have no value being a believer in christ.
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  229. @Bliss

    I do have a prayer in which I thank the Lord for making me a Caucasian with an IQ of 90+.
     
    Lol. That’s too low. You need an IQ of 105+ to get to heaven. That’s why China wants to separate it’s church from lower IQ races like yours. I am sure you have no problem with that, right?

    I know Orthodox Jewish men have a prayer where they thank God for not making them a woman. God doesn’t hear their prayers and they are haram anyway.
     
    Haram? Hmmm, I knew there was something very fishy about you.

    Bliss, your functional illiteracy is showing again. Decide what you are and on whose side you are.

    I said an IQ of 90+. My IQ is over 120. The Japanese are the only intelligent Asians. Yet, they are inferior to Caucasians.

    Haram is the Islamic/Arabic word for not kosher. It was a pun I used when I typed about Orthodox Jewish men. Again, your stupidity and humorlessness cannot comprehend things like this.

    I am not Jewish. I do like lox, bagels and cream cheese with onions though.

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    The Japanese are the only intelligent Asians. Yet, they are inferior to Caucasians.
     
    How is that possible? Their IQ is higher than that of caucasians. Try to be consistent in your arguments.

    Btw, if the Japanese are the only intelligent Asians and they are the least Christian of all asians what conclusions do you draw from that?
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  230. @Bliss

    The evil Jesuits are going to try to convert them. It won’t work because they can see what the RCC has done to Western Europe.
     
    That already happened many centuries ago. They saw what it did in the Philippines and didn’t wan’t to go that route. That happened when the RCC was still your kind of church. Do you know how they wiped out your cult in their land?

    I know about the RCC and Japan. The Japanese turned out to be right.

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  231. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha
    Yeah - it's backfiring - most Muslims that convert out of Islam go atheist (like most Christians). Most of our converts coming into Islam are from Christian background though, by far.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer%27s_remorse

    A “Christian background” is a pretty doubtful thing; by arguable definition it could cover pretty much everybody in the US except the Jews.

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  232. Bliss says:
    @attilathehen
    China has told cuck pope Frannie that they will select bishops. Cuck pope Frannie is ok with this. China is now going to ban the Bible from being sold. https://gizmodo.com/china-just-banned-online-sales-of-the-bible-1825027863

    I've read other articles that China will publish its own Bible, a Chinese bible, in keeping with their socialist values. It looks like they are Sinoizing Christianity. What's your opinion about this? It seems they want "Chinese Christianity."

    I’ve read other articles that China will publish its own Bible, a Chinese bible, in keeping with their socialist values. It looks like they are Sinoizing Christianity. What’s your opinion about this? It seems they want “Chinese Christianity.”

    If you know the history of your church you must know that schisms have happened before. If you can have a Roman Church (RCC), a Greek Church (Orthodox), a German Church (Protestant) then why not a Chinese Church?

    Btw, considering how important reverence for ancestors is in Chinese culture we can expect the state sanctioned Chinese Church to create a ritual that posthumously baptizes dead ancestors and saves them from Hell.

    As for “socialist values” they are precisely the values of the first Christians, who were following the sermons of Jesus himself.

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    I have already stated that Asians must have their own churches. Focus when you are reading my comments. I have no interest in them and do not want them in the West.

    As to "socialist values." This is wrong. Jesus did not preach socialism as is taught and believed today. His communal values were for the priesthood and the family. Also, do you know the parable of the talents? Profit is allowed. Marxism, which is the real name for socialism, hates profits. Also, 2 THESSALONIANS 3:10 states if a person does not work they shall not eat. Marxism is about "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." This does not work. The Pilgrims tried this.
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  233. Bliss says:
    @attilathehen
    Bliss, your functional illiteracy is showing again. Decide what you are and on whose side you are.

    I said an IQ of 90+. My IQ is over 120. The Japanese are the only intelligent Asians. Yet, they are inferior to Caucasians.

    Haram is the Islamic/Arabic word for not kosher. It was a pun I used when I typed about Orthodox Jewish men. Again, your stupidity and humorlessness cannot comprehend things like this.

    I am not Jewish. I do like lox, bagels and cream cheese with onions though.

    The Japanese are the only intelligent Asians. Yet, they are inferior to Caucasians.

    How is that possible? Their IQ is higher than that of caucasians. Try to be consistent in your arguments.

    Btw, if the Japanese are the only intelligent Asians and they are the least Christian of all asians what conclusions do you draw from that?

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    The reason the Japanese are a modern nation is because the American Captain Matthew Perry overthrew the shogunate and forced the Japanese to Westernize. It was known in the West that the Japanese were the only intelligent Asians. They copied our inventions. They did not invent anything. If this had not happened, Japan would still be a rice paddy country.

    Now, the Jesuits tried to convert the Japanese. Of course, since I don't accept black/Asians in my church, it is good they are not RCC. They can be Christian, but they would have to have their own churches. Their souls cannot comprehend the transcendent like a Western soul, but they have possibilities. This is up to them.
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  234. @attilathehen
    Of course you are for racial/ethnic intermixing, Islam is a universal belief system.

    Islam will not destroy the West. Its low IQ adherents don't have that kind of power.

    What can destroy the West is the RCC and the Zioevangizers. Universal brotherhood and church are the problems. This is only happening in Western Europe. Eastern Europe is fine. Fortunately, the resistance is rising and these issues will be dealt with.

    Actually, Muslim medicine (Ibn Sana, called Avicenna in the West), Muslim arithmetic, and Muslim literature (the Layla-Menoun poems, which influenced Courtly Love from Arthurian legends to Romeo and Juliet, and beyond) were at the forefront of Medieval knowledge. Western texts relied on them as prized sources.

    Are the people there now functioning on this level? Why no, they aren’t: Ibn Sana’s medieval writings on female health are way more advanced than the horrible things that are bring done to girls and the lack of proper health care for pregnant women and new mothers. But there is no reason why they couldn’t achieve their former level of civilization and advance still more, if this is solely a genetic issue. Afghanistan in the ’70s was a modern place–look up the pictures.

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    When the Muslims first conquered North Africa and the Middle East, they were Caucasians and had IQs of 90+. There were Muslims who could produce scientific and literary books. However, as black slavery was introduced with concubinage and polygamy, the miscegenation destroyed IQs. The average North African IQ today is 84. Their genetic material is worthless. As to Afghanistan, those 1970s pictures you see are from a tiny, elite minority. The average Afghani IQ is 84. They are an Asiatic people. So, again, Asians are a second tier race. Also, first cousin marriage destroyed IQ. This woman Phyllis Chesler, knows the truth about Afghanistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Chesler
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  235. @attilathehen
    Of course you are for racial/ethnic intermixing, Islam is a universal belief system.

    Islam will not destroy the West. Its low IQ adherents don't have that kind of power.

    What can destroy the West is the RCC and the Zioevangizers. Universal brotherhood and church are the problems. This is only happening in Western Europe. Eastern Europe is fine. Fortunately, the resistance is rising and these issues will be dealt with.

    FROM St. Augustine’s De Doctrina Christiana (On Christian Doctrine), 40 (60, 61)

    Chapter 40.—Whatever Has Been Rightly Said by the Heathen, We Must Appropriate to Our Uses.

    60. Moreover, if those who are called philosophers, and especially the Platonists, have said aught that is true and in harmony with our faith, we are not only not to shrink from it, but to claim it for our own use from those who have unlawful possession of it. For, as the Egyptians had not only the idols and heavy burdens which the people of Israel hated and fled from, but also vessels and ornaments of gold and silver, and garments, which the same people when going out of Egypt appropriated to themselves, designing them for a better use, not doing this on their own authority, but by the command of God, the Egyptians themselves, in their ignorance, providing them with things which they themselves were not making a good use of; in the same way all branches of heathen learning have not only false and superstitious fancies and heavy burdens of unnecessary toil, which every one of us, when going out under the leadership of Christ from the fellowship of the heathen, ought to abhor and avoid; but they contain also liberal instruction which is better adapted to the use of the truth, and some most excellent precepts of morality; and some truths in regard even to the worship of the One God are found among them. Now these are, so to speak, their gold and silver, which they did not create themselves, but dug out of the mines of God’s providence which are everywhere scattered abroad, and are perversely and unlawfully prostituting to the worship of devils. These, therefore, the Christian, when he separates himself in spirit from the miserable fellowship of these men, ought to take away from them, and to devote to their proper use in preaching the gospel. Their garments, also,—that is, human institutions such as are adapted to that intercourse with men which is indispensable in this life,—we must take and turn to a Christian use.

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  236. KenH says:
    @Talha
    Yeah - it's backfiring - most Muslims that convert out of Islam go atheist (like most Christians). Most of our converts coming into Islam are from Christian background though, by far.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer%27s_remorse

    Whatever their faults, I think Muslims take their religion and its doctrines far more seriously than do Christians today, at least generally speaking. So I don’t think they’d be so good natured about conversion attempts nor are they ripe for conversion.

    You might want to check that link because if it contains information on where Islam’s converts are coming from it just talks about buyer’s remorse.

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    I believe Muslims take their religion more seriously in general too - this is a gift from God - we cannot attribute this to ourselves. As to the details...

    The link I posted was simply describing Buyer's Remorse - it seems Christians that are inviting Muslims over assuming they will convert are either:
    1) Not serious readers of history or...
    2) Actually believe their own propaganda about the religion and figure there's no way anyone can believe in some desert-born death cult and so converting them will be a cake walk

    The actual survey I was thinking of was this one by Pew:
    "In other words, Christianity as a whole loses more people than it gains from religious switching (conversions in both directions) in the U.S., while the net effect on Islam in America is a wash."
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/26/the-share-of-americans-who-leave-islam-is-offset-by-those-who-become-muslim/

    About 1/4 of Muslims are apostating and most are going atheist or unknown:
    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/01/26090808/FT_18.01.19_conversionIslam_noReligion640px.png

    The majority of converts into Islam are Christians by far:
    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/01/26090805/FT_18.01.19_conversionIslam_convert640px.png

    In my experience (from talking to them or listening to lectures or interviews), the kind of Christians that convert to Islam are generally three:
    1) Nominal Christians (like the brother from Polish heritage that I spoke to last night) that were cultural Christians and went searching all over the place until settling on Islam
    2) Serious Christians that just can't deal with the Trinity but don't want to lose Jesus (pbuh)
    3) Christians tired of Christian churches making too many compromises with modern culture

    Pew plots out the reported reasons thusly:
    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/01/26090812/FT_18.01.26_IslamConversion_Mainreasons.png

    We are getting good, serious people; the Polish brother I mentioned (is in my tariqah) has a family and on three kids and will likely have one more. My wife is a convert and wrapping up her studies for and Alimah (female scholar) degree in the Hanafi school.

    Unfortunately, the people leaving Islam are leaving because they don't like traditional positions (if they did, they likely wouldn't have left) - many become atheist and hyper-liberals (maybe to make up for lost time). In essence, we are not sending you our best - the West is simply adding detritus (just from different ethnic backgrounds than its own). Peruse their views if you think I am making this stuff up:
    https://www.exmna.org/

    Fairly sure in the near future people will be seeing Muslim-sounding names gracing news about pornography - it's only a matter of time.

    My apologies if that helps.

    Peace.
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  237. @Bliss

    The Japanese are the only intelligent Asians. Yet, they are inferior to Caucasians.
     
    How is that possible? Their IQ is higher than that of caucasians. Try to be consistent in your arguments.

    Btw, if the Japanese are the only intelligent Asians and they are the least Christian of all asians what conclusions do you draw from that?

    The reason the Japanese are a modern nation is because the American Captain Matthew Perry overthrew the shogunate and forced the Japanese to Westernize. It was known in the West that the Japanese were the only intelligent Asians. They copied our inventions. They did not invent anything. If this had not happened, Japan would still be a rice paddy country.

    Now, the Jesuits tried to convert the Japanese. Of course, since I don’t accept black/Asians in my church, it is good they are not RCC. They can be Christian, but they would have to have their own churches. Their souls cannot comprehend the transcendent like a Western soul, but they have possibilities. This is up to them.

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    It was known in the West that the Japanese were the only intelligent Asians. They copied our inventions. They did not invent anything. If this had not happened, Japan would still be a rice paddy country.
     
    You are such a stupid yet pretentious ignoramus. You keep insisting that Japanese are the only intelligent asians, completely blind to both historical and current reality. The traditional Japanese culture is mostly derived from other Asian nations: from China primarily, and from India (via China). For example: Confucianism came to Japan from China, Buddhism from India via China (ditto for nonviolent martial arts), and even the gods and goddesses of Shintoism, the native religion of Japan, are largely of Indian origin. Japan was a marginal nation in the long history of Asia until recently.

    And you didn’t answer my question: Since IQ explains both the biological and spiritual worlds to your twisted little mind does that not make you both biologically and spiritually inferior to East Asians and Jews?

    Their souls cannot comprehend the transcendent like a Western soul
     
    You ridiculous numbskull, as if you have the slightest clue about transcendence. You are hopelessly trapped in the material and animalistic world. You claim to be a Christian but your racist rants have exactly zero to do with the Gospel of Jesus. If there is a Hell that’s where you are heading.
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  238. @Bliss

    I’ve read other articles that China will publish its own Bible, a Chinese bible, in keeping with their socialist values. It looks like they are Sinoizing Christianity. What’s your opinion about this? It seems they want “Chinese Christianity.”
     
    If you know the history of your church you must know that schisms have happened before. If you can have a Roman Church (RCC), a Greek Church (Orthodox), a German Church (Protestant) then why not a Chinese Church?

    Btw, considering how important reverence for ancestors is in Chinese culture we can expect the state sanctioned Chinese Church to create a ritual that posthumously baptizes dead ancestors and saves them from Hell.

    As for “socialist values” they are precisely the values of the first Christians, who were following the sermons of Jesus himself.

    I have already stated that Asians must have their own churches. Focus when you are reading my comments. I have no interest in them and do not want them in the West.

    As to “socialist values.” This is wrong. Jesus did not preach socialism as is taught and believed today. His communal values were for the priesthood and the family. Also, do you know the parable of the talents? Profit is allowed. Marxism, which is the real name for socialism, hates profits. Also, 2 THESSALONIANS 3:10 states if a person does not work they shall not eat. Marxism is about “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.” This does not work. The Pilgrims tried this.

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    if a person does not work they shall not eat.
     
    That is actually a socialist principle: everyone has a job to do. It is under capitalism that you find the idle eaters: the idle rich who consume far more than they need, and the idle poor who are left unemployed to keep wages down and profits up.

    Jesus did not preach socialism

     

    Blessed are the poor (Matthew 5:3)

    Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." (Matthew 19:21)

    Then Jesus said to his disciples: I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. (Matthew 19:23-24)

    But people who long to be rich fall into temptation and are trapped by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows. (1 Timothy 6:9-10)

    , @EliteCommInc.
    I will gladly perhaps foolishly take this on. that is what scripture says. And as someone who is not officially working, I have to battle this out personally. I think that scripture is on point. when i was terminated back in 2---, having nothing to do with performance, drugs, or any of the peculiar issues people get terminated for -- it had nothing to do with work. I didn't ho on unemployment, for if i had it would mean, that what occurred was condoned by me -- so i sought work elsewhere as well as continued to promote my own business.

    Nor did I apply for any other forms of welfare and haven't - ever. That scripture means a lot to me for very personal reasons. But your contention that it has anything to so with IQ, ethnicity, or nationality or any other links to faith are just opinions, they are not scriptural in any way. I love work, and my work ethic exceeded anyone's in my dept. Mostly likely because I am single and had no life. I made a conscious choice not to permit anyone to push me back from my educational attainments - earned. I had cleaned tables, mopped floors, done construction, washed dishes . . all of the manual labor stuff one does in this life. But I will take and do the work, for which i have paid a heavy price to gain in my field and I have no intention of bowing to the politics of rich or poor, heathens or Christians, Hollywood or DC games or the power of the police by going backwards -- if that means I end up on the street -- so be it.

    If that means dealing with silliness -- well so be it.

    Since I am not taking any bread from the state or the church -- I am quite content not to allow whatever personal guilt or embarrassment get in the way of advocacy for issues clearly unsupported by faith and practice. But when one has to resort to just personal attacks - it's a clear they have no more rational to justify their position.

    But you may continue to dance as you around not having a single line of scripture to support your arguments.
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  239. @Rosamond Vincy
    Actually, Muslim medicine (Ibn Sana, called Avicenna in the West), Muslim arithmetic, and Muslim literature (the Layla-Menoun poems, which influenced Courtly Love from Arthurian legends to Romeo and Juliet, and beyond) were at the forefront of Medieval knowledge. Western texts relied on them as prized sources.

    Are the people there now functioning on this level? Why no, they aren't: Ibn Sana's medieval writings on female health are way more advanced than the horrible things that are bring done to girls and the lack of proper health care for pregnant women and new mothers. But there is no reason why they couldn't achieve their former level of civilization and advance still more, if this is solely a genetic issue. Afghanistan in the '70s was a modern place--look up the pictures.

    When the Muslims first conquered North Africa and the Middle East, they were Caucasians and had IQs of 90+. There were Muslims who could produce scientific and literary books. However, as black slavery was introduced with concubinage and polygamy, the miscegenation destroyed IQs. The average North African IQ today is 84. Their genetic material is worthless. As to Afghanistan, those 1970s pictures you see are from a tiny, elite minority. The average Afghani IQ is 84. They are an Asiatic people. So, again, Asians are a second tier race. Also, first cousin marriage destroyed IQ. This woman Phyllis Chesler, knows the truth about Afghanistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Chesler

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    If Christ cares so much about IQ, why didn't He come to ancient Babylon or Egypt, both of which had advanced civilizations? Why come to people in an occupied country, people whose glory days were a) behind them, and b) not so glorious, consisting of a long line of dysfunctional families, as their own Holy Books make clear?
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  240. @attilathehen
    It isn't just what I want. It is what Caucasian/European people want. You are a laggard.

    As I said people can create whatever design they want about their faith in Christ —

    Just know that in my view if it does not comport with scripture whether I am a laggard, a bum, a worthless miscreant —

    Christ isn’t rewarding people based on IQ, skin color, class, status, education, income or what continent they live on — the message of Christ is for believers whatever their IQ, skin color, income, or the sophistication of their toilet. Now if you can indicate a scripture that makes that case, you are welcome to do so. As people we desire all manner of unique castes and groups of our liking — bad news for those that think such castes are requirements or are benefits to the kingdom —

    That does not appear to be the case. Christ isn’t going say,

    “ok whites, you have the highest kingdom you first.” I don’t mind having this conversation for fun — but it’s just fun. Salivation is not about IQ, it’s not even about whether one is or was a criminal — it simply does not work that way. It really stumbles many people that think a life in christ is works. When in facts, it’s faith which is demonstrated by one works.

    One can what they desire and still be out of line with Christ. I am not the least bit phased by your views. It’s just they have no value being a believer in christ.

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  241. @attilathehen
    When the Muslims first conquered North Africa and the Middle East, they were Caucasians and had IQs of 90+. There were Muslims who could produce scientific and literary books. However, as black slavery was introduced with concubinage and polygamy, the miscegenation destroyed IQs. The average North African IQ today is 84. Their genetic material is worthless. As to Afghanistan, those 1970s pictures you see are from a tiny, elite minority. The average Afghani IQ is 84. They are an Asiatic people. So, again, Asians are a second tier race. Also, first cousin marriage destroyed IQ. This woman Phyllis Chesler, knows the truth about Afghanistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Chesler

    If Christ cares so much about IQ, why didn’t He come to ancient Babylon or Egypt, both of which had advanced civilizations? Why come to people in an occupied country, people whose glory days were a) behind them, and b) not so glorious, consisting of a long line of dysfunctional families, as their own Holy Books make clear?

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    These are mysteries which will be explained to us when we die. You mentioned St. Augustine. When he lived, Egypt was already ancient (it was ancient when Jesus lived). The population was still Caucasian with a good IQ. He would have known about the greatness of Egypt. He probably knew about India. Now 1600 years later, we see to what primitive levels Egypt and India have been reduced. This was caused by IQ loss through miscegenation.

    What "possessed" God to create great races like the ancient Egyptians and Indian Aryans, but at the same time make 2 inferior races - blacks/Asians? These ancients had marvelous technologies which we cannot figure out today. We are also advanced, but it took thousands of years to get back to our level. I rarely do the "what if (insert what you like to have been able to change here), but what if the ancient Egyptians and ancient Indian Aryans had preserved themselves? What "possessed" God to chose the ancient Hebrews (present day Jews are not related to them) for His new mission? I do not know. But I want answers to these questions after I die.
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  242. dfordoom says: • Website
    @attilathehen
    I heard some podcast a couple of weeks ago that the Chinese do not trust the RCC because they see it as a globalizing institution which will destroy their homogeneous country. I have to agree with the Chinese on this point. Cuck pope Frannie is behind the black/Asian/Muslim invasion of Western Europe. The Eastern Europeans are fine. They are mixed with RCC and Orthodox so this a blessing. You are correct in that it is better for China to deal with their own Christianity. For whatever reason God made Asian people, I leave it up to Him to deal with them after their die. I watch many RCC shows and they whine about the Chinese and Sudanese. These people are disgusting. We need to save the West before we worry about other people.

    I heard some podcast a couple of weeks ago that the Chinese do not trust the RCC because they see it as a globalizing institution which will destroy their homogeneous country. I have to agree with the Chinese on this point.

    Yes, the Chinese are absolutely correct. The RCC is a globalizing institution which has already helped to destroy the West. At this point in time the RCC is a major force for evil in the world.

    Tragically, Christianity in general is now mostly a force for evil. The RCC is very bad but mostly the Protestants are even worse.

    Christianity today is a religion for women, homosexuals and cucks.

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  243. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rosamond Vincy
    I have no idea what's going to be put in or left out of the Chinese Bible, so obviously I can't comment on it. Translation is tricky: sometimes translating the words accurately completely misses the connotations of the expression used. The NABRE is supposed to be pretty accurate, but we all know the DRV and KJV sound more majestic. Is the majesty inaccurate? Scholars say the Koine of the NT is very dry, businessy wording, used for memos about late shipments, requests for more olive oil, and complaints that the Rhodian perfumes aren't selling very well. Does that give the Gospels more weight, because their authors are so matter-of-fact about what happened instead of wallowing in the ancient version of purple prose?

    I'm not a big admirer of Pope Francis or post-Vatican II guitar masses, but the Church has withstood the current events and fads of many eras. It has ALWAYS been that way, as we see by Paul's warnings:

    I say this so that no one may deceive you by specious arguments.
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    For even if I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing as I observe your good order and the firmness of your faith in Christ.
    6
    So, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, walk in him,
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    rooted in him and built upon him and established in the faith as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
    8
    See to it that no one captivate you with an empty, seductive philosophy according to human tradition, according to the elemental powers of the world* and not according to Christ.
     

    I’m not a big admirer of Pope Francis or post-Vatican II guitar masses, but the Church has withstood the current events and fads of many eras.

    It’s no longer a question of whether the Church can survive. It will survive, and it will become just another secular liberal SJW-dominated NGO working for the destruction of civilisation.

    The question now is whether western civilisation would have a better chance of survival if the Church didn’t survive. It may well be that the sooner Christianity disappears the better.

    The Church is a bit like “conservative” political parties, which need to die in order to allow something more positive to emerge. A religious revival is needed in the West but it can only happen if the established churches die.

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    I am unfamiliar with this ethic anywhere in scripture.


    But I agree, the church will not remain regardless of the secular worlds peculiarities and assaults.

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Again, the question (per CS Lewis) is not whether it is good for civilization but whether it is true.
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  244. dfordoom says: • Website
    @attilathehen
    "but the Church has withstood the current events and fads of many eras" The Church cannot withstand low IQ. You are looking at history from an incorrect perspective. The past 2000 years do not matter because up until Vatican II, the RCC was Caucasian/European. Now that the world has been settled, we can see stark racial differences which point out IQ differences. I specifically named RCC Haiti and El Salvador as proof that beliefs cannot change biology. You must deal with reality.

    The Church cannot withstand low IQ.

    Nonsense. Low IQ and/or uneducated people are not the ones who do the most harm. It’s the high IQ idiots you have to worry about – they’re the ones who believe the crazy civilisation-destroying ideas (the ideas so crazy that only intellectuals can be persuaded to believe them), they’re the ones who have undermined religion.

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    I did not state only high IQ people. I said an IQ of 90+ is needed for a people, country to maintain a functioning society and country. This IQ range covers common sense, wisdom, and intelligence. The 2 most evil, oxymoronic, civilization destroying ideas are: universal brotherhood and universal church. The problem today is the cowardly cucks who cannot see this and will not fight the invasion of the West. I gave examples of low IQ nations: Pakistan (avg. IQ 84); Haiti (avg. IQ 67); El Salvador (avg. IQ 80). These are high crime, squalid countries, with IQs of less than 90.
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  245. dfordoom says: • Website
    @EliteCommInc.
    It is entirely possible to loyal to nation, state and ethnicity without violating one's faith as established by Christ, unless said contradicts the command of Christ.

    Note: our immigration laws do not.

    It is entirely possible to loyal to nation, state and ethnicity without violating one’s faith as established by Christ,

    It isn’t really. It’s like having dual citizenship – at some point you’re going to betray one of the two nations of which you’re a citizen.

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    as i stated,

    it is entirely possible, unless there is a conflict in the positions then faith must take precedents.

    Having two masters is not the case, serve god always, serve state when there is no conflict in serving both.


    Christ nor the apostles ever demanded that christians leave service of state including the military ----

    That is why I made it a point to note immigration. Nothing in the US immigration laws prevent christians from supporting others in other states. Being a christian in this instance would not be cause to break immigration laws.
    , @attilathehen
    Correct. A Roman Catholic's first allegiance is always to Rome and the pope. This problem came up when John F. Kennedy ran for the presidency. He put the USA above Rome. The RCC does not like nationalism.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Well, there you and Jesus agree:

    “No one can serve two masters. He will either hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."

    Which do you intend to serve?

    I'm all for patriotism; I've had three generations of my family in the military. But God is eternal; countries are not. Both ancient history and the events of our own lifetimes tell us that. Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, but giving up your soul is quite another thing.
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  246. @dfordoom

    It is entirely possible to loyal to nation, state and ethnicity without violating one’s faith as established by Christ,
     
    It isn't really. It's like having dual citizenship - at some point you're going to betray one of the two nations of which you're a citizen.

    as i stated,

    it is entirely possible, unless there is a conflict in the positions then faith must take precedents.

    Having two masters is not the case, serve god always, serve state when there is no conflict in serving both.

    Christ nor the apostles ever demanded that christians leave service of state including the military —-

    That is why I made it a point to note immigration. Nothing in the US immigration laws prevent christians from supporting others in other states. Being a christian in this instance would not be cause to break immigration laws.

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    it is entirely possible, unless there is a conflict in the positions then faith must take precedents.

     

    In which case, from the point of view of a nationalist, the Christian becomes a traitor to the nation. Or becomes a traitor to his ethnic group. You can't be a nationalist and a universalist.

    Nationalism in order to make sense has to be fundamentally opposed to universalism. You can't be a Christian and a nationalist.

    Christian universalism worked quite well and was generally a good thing in the Middle Ages, when nations were seen as merely component parts of Christendom. The Reformation wrecked all that.
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  247. @dfordoom

    I’m not a big admirer of Pope Francis or post-Vatican II guitar masses, but the Church has withstood the current events and fads of many eras.

     

    It's no longer a question of whether the Church can survive. It will survive, and it will become just another secular liberal SJW-dominated NGO working for the destruction of civilisation.

    The question now is whether western civilisation would have a better chance of survival if the Church didn't survive. It may well be that the sooner Christianity disappears the better.

    The Church is a bit like "conservative" political parties, which need to die in order to allow something more positive to emerge. A religious revival is needed in the West but it can only happen if the established churches die.

    I am unfamiliar with this ethic anywhere in scripture.

    But I agree, the church will not remain regardless of the secular worlds peculiarities and assaults.

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  248. @dfordoom

    It is entirely possible to loyal to nation, state and ethnicity without violating one’s faith as established by Christ,
     
    It isn't really. It's like having dual citizenship - at some point you're going to betray one of the two nations of which you're a citizen.

    Correct. A Roman Catholic’s first allegiance is always to Rome and the pope. This problem came up when John F. Kennedy ran for the presidency. He put the USA above Rome. The RCC does not like nationalism.

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  249. @Rosamond Vincy
    If Christ cares so much about IQ, why didn't He come to ancient Babylon or Egypt, both of which had advanced civilizations? Why come to people in an occupied country, people whose glory days were a) behind them, and b) not so glorious, consisting of a long line of dysfunctional families, as their own Holy Books make clear?

    These are mysteries which will be explained to us when we die. You mentioned St. Augustine. When he lived, Egypt was already ancient (it was ancient when Jesus lived). The population was still Caucasian with a good IQ. He would have known about the greatness of Egypt. He probably knew about India. Now 1600 years later, we see to what primitive levels Egypt and India have been reduced. This was caused by IQ loss through miscegenation.

    What “possessed” God to create great races like the ancient Egyptians and Indian Aryans, but at the same time make 2 inferior races – blacks/Asians? These ancients had marvelous technologies which we cannot figure out today. We are also advanced, but it took thousands of years to get back to our level. I rarely do the “what if (insert what you like to have been able to change here), but what if the ancient Egyptians and ancient Indian Aryans had preserved themselves? What “possessed” God to chose the ancient Hebrews (present day Jews are not related to them) for His new mission? I do not know. But I want answers to these questions after I die.

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    What “possessed” God to create great races like the ancient Egyptians and Indian Aryans, but at the same time make 2 inferior races – blacks/Asians?
     
    Lol. Funny to see such a silly ignorant person questioning God’s handiwork. I doubt your IQ is 90+ as you boast.

    Ancient Egypt was an african civilization and Ancient India was asian/indian. Why don’t you explain to us why Northern Europeans could never create a civilization the equivalent of Egypt and India? Or of Sumer and Babylon? Or of China? Or of Ethiopia and Nubia? Or of Olmec and Maya? Etc, etc

    https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0e/57/45/48/the-great-sphinx-of-giza.jpg

    https://ashtronort.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/san-lorenzo-head-1-d.jpg

    The Great Sphinx of Egypt is about 4500 years old, the giant Olmec head from the east coast of Mexico could be upto 3500 years old. The Olmec was the mother civilization of the Americas.

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    You want answers from God? He may have some questions for you. First off: when you speak this prayer to yourself, "O God, I thank you that I am not low IQ like the rest of humanity—Haitians, Pakistani, Salvadorans—or even like these cucks who don't share my opinions," what makes you sure you will go home justified?

    BTW, there's an Orthodox Church in my neighborhood, and it has a soup kitchen that serves people of every possible demographic. The Bishop has never turned anyone away for being low IQ.
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  250. @dfordoom

    The Church cannot withstand low IQ.
     
    Nonsense. Low IQ and/or uneducated people are not the ones who do the most harm. It's the high IQ idiots you have to worry about - they're the ones who believe the crazy civilisation-destroying ideas (the ideas so crazy that only intellectuals can be persuaded to believe them), they're the ones who have undermined religion.

    I did not state only high IQ people. I said an IQ of 90+ is needed for a people, country to maintain a functioning society and country. This IQ range covers common sense, wisdom, and intelligence. The 2 most evil, oxymoronic, civilization destroying ideas are: universal brotherhood and universal church. The problem today is the cowardly cucks who cannot see this and will not fight the invasion of the West. I gave examples of low IQ nations: Pakistan (avg. IQ 84); Haiti (avg. IQ 67); El Salvador (avg. IQ 80). These are high crime, squalid countries, with IQs of less than 90.

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    I am unfamiliar with this ethic anywhere in scripture.

    But I agree, the church will remain regardless of the secular worlds peculiarities and assaults

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  252. Bliss says:
    @attilathehen
    The reason the Japanese are a modern nation is because the American Captain Matthew Perry overthrew the shogunate and forced the Japanese to Westernize. It was known in the West that the Japanese were the only intelligent Asians. They copied our inventions. They did not invent anything. If this had not happened, Japan would still be a rice paddy country.

    Now, the Jesuits tried to convert the Japanese. Of course, since I don't accept black/Asians in my church, it is good they are not RCC. They can be Christian, but they would have to have their own churches. Their souls cannot comprehend the transcendent like a Western soul, but they have possibilities. This is up to them.

    It was known in the West that the Japanese were the only intelligent Asians. They copied our inventions. They did not invent anything. If this had not happened, Japan would still be a rice paddy country.

    You are such a stupid yet pretentious ignoramus. You keep insisting that Japanese are the only intelligent asians, completely blind to both historical and current reality. The traditional Japanese culture is mostly derived from other Asian nations: from China primarily, and from India (via China). For example: Confucianism came to Japan from China, Buddhism from India via China (ditto for nonviolent martial arts), and even the gods and goddesses of Shintoism, the native religion of Japan, are largely of Indian origin. Japan was a marginal nation in the long history of Asia until recently.

    And you didn’t answer my question: Since IQ explains both the biological and spiritual worlds to your twisted little mind does that not make you both biologically and spiritually inferior to East Asians and Jews?

    Their souls cannot comprehend the transcendent like a Western soul

    You ridiculous numbskull, as if you have the slightest clue about transcendence. You are hopelessly trapped in the material and animalistic world. You claim to be a Christian but your racist rants have exactly zero to do with the Gospel of Jesus. If there is a Hell that’s where you are heading.

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    Just a note to those making claims about god and mammon and applying the same to national loyalty.

    The scripture oft referenced is,

    "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."

    It simply means that the first commandment reigns supreme --

    "I am the lord your hod, thou will have no other gods before."

    It doesn't matter whether that which comes before God is a state, a friend, a wife ethnicity or money.
    , @attilathehen
    So now you're defending East Asians and Jews as superior? Who, what are you??? You were riffing for Islam before. Are you a Caucasian Christian now? Again, you do not understand history, biology, IQ. Over thousands of years culture and races will have exchanges. But, at this point in time, 2018, we can see which cultures are successful. The Japanese are superior to the Chinese. We can see this today. Japan may be been marginal in the past, but today it is at the top. Asians can only copy. They do not invent. The Japanese were able to modernize quickly because they adapt very easily to new things. India, China have peaked and are declining. They don't have the IQ.

    Today's Jews are not the smartest tribe and never were. Israeli Jews have an IQ of 93. Ashkenazi Jews average at 105. But there are not that many of them and they had nothing to do with the development of Western civilization. Here's a reading assignment for you. Make sure you have dictionary next to you: Ricardo Duchesne - The Uniqueness of Western Civilization.

    You can't deal with biological reality and you now hope hell will be my home. State your beliefs consistently.
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  253. dfordoom says: • Website
    @EliteCommInc.
    as i stated,

    it is entirely possible, unless there is a conflict in the positions then faith must take precedents.

    Having two masters is not the case, serve god always, serve state when there is no conflict in serving both.


    Christ nor the apostles ever demanded that christians leave service of state including the military ----

    That is why I made it a point to note immigration. Nothing in the US immigration laws prevent christians from supporting others in other states. Being a christian in this instance would not be cause to break immigration laws.

    it is entirely possible, unless there is a conflict in the positions then faith must take precedents.

    In which case, from the point of view of a nationalist, the Christian becomes a traitor to the nation. Or becomes a traitor to his ethnic group. You can’t be a nationalist and a universalist.

    Nationalism in order to make sense has to be fundamentally opposed to universalism. You can’t be a Christian and a nationalist.

    Christian universalism worked quite well and was generally a good thing in the Middle Ages, when nations were seen as merely component parts of Christendom. The Reformation wrecked all that.

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    Let's get something clear as this issue of universal church is often used as excuse to violate immigration laws among others,

    There are times when the believer will have to disagree some national policy.

    1. homosexual marriage
    2. killing children in the womb
    4. support for pornography
    5. legalizing prostitution


    That's just a quick list. All of the above are forbidden by faith and practice for those who adhere to a scripture based understanding of Christ. If the state demanded my support for or participation in any of the above, I would have to say "no". If the state manufactured a case for war, I would have to say, "no" (bearing false witness), There are aspects of the state which clearly violate faith. Unless I am obligated to participate in them, there is no conflict in supporting the state. US immigration laws also a universal practice do in any manner violate scripture and as such I am obliged to obey them and support them. I might give a glass of water or feed one who is here illegally, in some emergency. But supporting violating immigration laws are out of the question. Because there is no conflict between state and faith. When the state demands that a christian organization or person demands they do something forbidden by God -- they will have to decide whom to obey. The cases for invading Iraq were far outside the scope of biblical warrant -- every argument failed the test of scripture. I was called a traitor for not supporting that invasion and doubting the veracity of invading Afghanistan.

    The mammon play is oft abused. The apostle Paul did not abandon his Roman nationality. In fact, he used his nationality to his stead when arrested. His admonition about obeying authority was limited to contradictions in faith. A person can be a loyal citizen and be loyal to God. The mammon reference is to whether Faith comes before the purpose. That ia all that scripture means. It is not against rich people, it is not against wealth -- it's that one's desire for wealth comes second to faith in christ.

    In the discussion we are having about IQ, ethnicity, nationality, the challenge is always what supersedes one's desire. My ethnicity and nationality come second to faith in Christ --when in conflict.

    At no time did Christ or the Apostles attempt to dismantlement, get rid or decry the state. The state is a tool of Christ, and they are obliged to play along, until said game calls for disobeying Christ. Now scripture makes it clear -- eventually the state will demand loyalty to it above Christ and at that point I will have to sever my loyalty - come what may. But until then --

    loyalty to state and faith are possible with very little effort in the US, well it's requiring more effort every year.
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  254. Bliss says:
    @attilathehen
    These are mysteries which will be explained to us when we die. You mentioned St. Augustine. When he lived, Egypt was already ancient (it was ancient when Jesus lived). The population was still Caucasian with a good IQ. He would have known about the greatness of Egypt. He probably knew about India. Now 1600 years later, we see to what primitive levels Egypt and India have been reduced. This was caused by IQ loss through miscegenation.

    What "possessed" God to create great races like the ancient Egyptians and Indian Aryans, but at the same time make 2 inferior races - blacks/Asians? These ancients had marvelous technologies which we cannot figure out today. We are also advanced, but it took thousands of years to get back to our level. I rarely do the "what if (insert what you like to have been able to change here), but what if the ancient Egyptians and ancient Indian Aryans had preserved themselves? What "possessed" God to chose the ancient Hebrews (present day Jews are not related to them) for His new mission? I do not know. But I want answers to these questions after I die.

    What “possessed” God to create great races like the ancient Egyptians and Indian Aryans, but at the same time make 2 inferior races – blacks/Asians?

    Lol. Funny to see such a silly ignorant person questioning God’s handiwork. I doubt your IQ is 90+ as you boast.

    Ancient Egypt was an african civilization and Ancient India was asian/indian. Why don’t you explain to us why Northern Europeans could never create a civilization the equivalent of Egypt and India? Or of Sumer and Babylon? Or of China? Or of Ethiopia and Nubia? Or of Olmec and Maya? Etc, etc

    The Great Sphinx of Egypt is about 4500 years old, the giant Olmec head from the east coast of Mexico could be upto 3500 years old. The Olmec was the mother civilization of the Americas.

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    Have you heard of DNA testing? It's been done and the ancient Egyptians were Caucasians. It's been done on India and it turns out Aryans invaded Asian India and created the caste system to preserve their Aryan DNA.

    The Sphinx is not the head of a black man. His nose was not cut off because they thought it was black. When the Muslims took over Egypt, they started to destroy the past artifacts. They Sphinx was too big for them to destroy. There are present day Egyptian Muslims who have spoken about blowing up the Sphinx and Pyramids. This happened in Palmyra when ISIS took control of the city and began destroying ancient temples. Do you remember this?

    China and Nubia never had great empires. These countries waxed and waned but did not produce the modern world or contribute anything to it. What did Northern Europeans create? How about the English? Have you ever heard of the British Empire?

    As to the Olmec head. The Olmecs are not the civilization of the Americas. I have been reading books and articles and there is a theory that the ancient Egyptians may have traveled to Mexico and taught the natives pyramid building. Outside of Egypt, only southern Mexico and Central America have sophisticated pyramids. There were some blacks in Egypt and maybe one went on an expedition. The Olmec head dates back to about 1200 B.C. , so again some trans-Atlantic exchange could have occurred. This Olmec civilization was tiny and is still a mystery. There will always be exchanges like this life. We are dealing with thousands of years of history. Much will remain a mystery to us.

    Once again, what are you?

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  255. @dfordoom

    I’m not a big admirer of Pope Francis or post-Vatican II guitar masses, but the Church has withstood the current events and fads of many eras.

     

    It's no longer a question of whether the Church can survive. It will survive, and it will become just another secular liberal SJW-dominated NGO working for the destruction of civilisation.

    The question now is whether western civilisation would have a better chance of survival if the Church didn't survive. It may well be that the sooner Christianity disappears the better.

    The Church is a bit like "conservative" political parties, which need to die in order to allow something more positive to emerge. A religious revival is needed in the West but it can only happen if the established churches die.

    Again, the question (per CS Lewis) is not whether it is good for civilization but whether it is true.

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    Again, the question (per CS Lewis) is not whether it is good for civilization but whether it is true.
     
    If you're a believer, perhaps. I'm not. I admit that I have a purely instrumental view of religion. If a religion is good for civilisation I'm in favour of it. If a religion is bad for civilisation I'd prefer that religion to die. On the whole I'm in favour of religion but I couldn't care less whether it's true or not.
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  256. @dfordoom

    It is entirely possible to loyal to nation, state and ethnicity without violating one’s faith as established by Christ,
     
    It isn't really. It's like having dual citizenship - at some point you're going to betray one of the two nations of which you're a citizen.

    Well, there you and Jesus agree:

    “No one can serve two masters. He will either hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.”

    Which do you intend to serve?

    I’m all for patriotism; I’ve had three generations of my family in the military. But God is eternal; countries are not. Both ancient history and the events of our own lifetimes tell us that. Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, but giving up your soul is quite another thing.

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    I’m all for patriotism; I’ve had three generations of my family in the military. But God is eternal; countries are not.
     
    That's fine. I can respect someone who makes that choice, as long as they're honest enough (which you seem to be) to admit that having made that choice they can't call themselves nationalists. If you're a nationalist you must put the interests of the nation first.

    I prefer to put nation first, but that's just me.
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  257. @attilathehen
    These are mysteries which will be explained to us when we die. You mentioned St. Augustine. When he lived, Egypt was already ancient (it was ancient when Jesus lived). The population was still Caucasian with a good IQ. He would have known about the greatness of Egypt. He probably knew about India. Now 1600 years later, we see to what primitive levels Egypt and India have been reduced. This was caused by IQ loss through miscegenation.

    What "possessed" God to create great races like the ancient Egyptians and Indian Aryans, but at the same time make 2 inferior races - blacks/Asians? These ancients had marvelous technologies which we cannot figure out today. We are also advanced, but it took thousands of years to get back to our level. I rarely do the "what if (insert what you like to have been able to change here), but what if the ancient Egyptians and ancient Indian Aryans had preserved themselves? What "possessed" God to chose the ancient Hebrews (present day Jews are not related to them) for His new mission? I do not know. But I want answers to these questions after I die.

    You want answers from God? He may have some questions for you. First off: when you speak this prayer to yourself, “O God, I thank you that I am not low IQ like the rest of humanity—Haitians, Pakistani, Salvadorans—or even like these cucks who don’t share my opinions,” what makes you sure you will go home justified?

    BTW, there’s an Orthodox Church in my neighborhood, and it has a soup kitchen that serves people of every possible demographic. The Bishop has never turned anyone away for being low IQ.

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    Again, we will not know anything until we die. I am grateful I was not born a low IQ black/Asian. The fact that we can have an exchange like this is proof of how good it is to have an IQ of 90+. Exchanges like these are not possible with people of 89 or less IQ. Plus, very few can live moral lives. I don't know what will happen to me after I die. We see through a glass darkly on earth. All I know is that when the realization of IQ and its relation to race, morality all came together, I could never look at the Bible the same way. I realized that the fact I was born a Western Christian woman is the ultimate prize on earth.

    As to that church by you, they are free to feed whomever they want to feed. Just remember, if the low IQers become very numerous, the neighborhood will change for the worse.

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  258. Bliss says:
    @attilathehen
    I have already stated that Asians must have their own churches. Focus when you are reading my comments. I have no interest in them and do not want them in the West.

    As to "socialist values." This is wrong. Jesus did not preach socialism as is taught and believed today. His communal values were for the priesthood and the family. Also, do you know the parable of the talents? Profit is allowed. Marxism, which is the real name for socialism, hates profits. Also, 2 THESSALONIANS 3:10 states if a person does not work they shall not eat. Marxism is about "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." This does not work. The Pilgrims tried this.

    if a person does not work they shall not eat.

    That is actually a socialist principle: everyone has a job to do. It is under capitalism that you find the idle eaters: the idle rich who consume far more than they need, and the idle poor who are left unemployed to keep wages down and profits up.

    Jesus did not preach socialism

    Blessed are the poor (Matthew 5:3)

    Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Matthew 19:21)

    Then Jesus said to his disciples: I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. (Matthew 19:23-24)

    But people who long to be rich fall into temptation and are trapped by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows. (1 Timothy 6:9-10)

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    if a person does not work they shall not eat.
     
    That is actually a socialist principle: everyone has a job to do. It is under capitalism that you find the idle eaters: the idle rich who consume far more than they need, and the idle poor who are left unemployed to keep wages down and profits up.
     
    Oddly enough in the very religious very Christian Middle Ages no-one believed in that principle. It was accepted that some people were not required to work. They had more important social duties - the nobility had a duty to render military service and the clergy had a duty to pray. These were considered to be at least as important as working. Until well into the 20th century most members of the aristocracy considered work (quite rightly) to be degrading.

    As Aristotle said, "All paid jobs absorb and degrade the mind."
    , @attilathehen
    This is not socialism you twit. This is a person voluntarily giving up their possessions. Jesus did not command people to take stuff from others. Marxism/socialism confiscates property and possessions.

    The church also teaches that just because a person is poor they do not automatically go to heaven. It is the state of your soul, whether you are in sin or not that determines your entry to heaven.

    "Money is the root of all kinds of evil" It doesn't state money is the root of ALL EVIL. There is nothing wrong with having money as long as it does not corrupt you.
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  259. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rosamond Vincy
    Again, the question (per CS Lewis) is not whether it is good for civilization but whether it is true.

    Again, the question (per CS Lewis) is not whether it is good for civilization but whether it is true.

    If you’re a believer, perhaps. I’m not. I admit that I have a purely instrumental view of religion. If a religion is good for civilisation I’m in favour of it. If a religion is bad for civilisation I’d prefer that religion to die. On the whole I’m in favour of religion but I couldn’t care less whether it’s true or not.

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  260. @dfordoom

    it is entirely possible, unless there is a conflict in the positions then faith must take precedents.

     

    In which case, from the point of view of a nationalist, the Christian becomes a traitor to the nation. Or becomes a traitor to his ethnic group. You can't be a nationalist and a universalist.

    Nationalism in order to make sense has to be fundamentally opposed to universalism. You can't be a Christian and a nationalist.

    Christian universalism worked quite well and was generally a good thing in the Middle Ages, when nations were seen as merely component parts of Christendom. The Reformation wrecked all that.

    Let’s get something clear as this issue of universal church is often used as excuse to violate immigration laws among others,

    There are times when the believer will have to disagree some national policy.

    1. homosexual marriage
    2. killing children in the womb
    4. support for pornography
    5. legalizing prostitution

    That’s just a quick list. All of the above are forbidden by faith and practice for those who adhere to a scripture based understanding of Christ. If the state demanded my support for or participation in any of the above, I would have to say “no”. If the state manufactured a case for war, I would have to say, “no” (bearing false witness), There are aspects of the state which clearly violate faith. Unless I am obligated to participate in them, there is no conflict in supporting the state. US immigration laws also a universal practice do in any manner violate scripture and as such I am obliged to obey them and support them. I might give a glass of water or feed one who is here illegally, in some emergency. But supporting violating immigration laws are out of the question. Because there is no conflict between state and faith. When the state demands that a christian organization or person demands they do something forbidden by God — they will have to decide whom to obey. The cases for invading Iraq were far outside the scope of biblical warrant — every argument failed the test of scripture. I was called a traitor for not supporting that invasion and doubting the veracity of invading Afghanistan.

    The mammon play is oft abused. The apostle Paul did not abandon his Roman nationality. In fact, he used his nationality to his stead when arrested. His admonition about obeying authority was limited to contradictions in faith. A person can be a loyal citizen and be loyal to God. The mammon reference is to whether Faith comes before the purpose. That ia all that scripture means. It is not against rich people, it is not against wealth — it’s that one’s desire for wealth comes second to faith in christ.

    In the discussion we are having about IQ, ethnicity, nationality, the challenge is always what supersedes one’s desire. My ethnicity and nationality come second to faith in Christ –when in conflict.

    At no time did Christ or the Apostles attempt to dismantlement, get rid or decry the state. The state is a tool of Christ, and they are obliged to play along, until said game calls for disobeying Christ. Now scripture makes it clear — eventually the state will demand loyalty to it above Christ and at that point I will have to sever my loyalty – come what may. But until then –

    loyalty to state and faith are possible with very little effort in the US, well it’s requiring more effort every year.

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    Exactly. Render until Caesar what is Caesar's....

    Does this cause conflicts in terms of abortion, just vs. unjust wars, etc.? Of course it does. There have always been places or periods of history when it was more difficult to reconcile obeying both the Church and the government. A Christian in 1950s America would find it relatively easy to obey both; a Christian in 2nd century Roman territory or 1950s Russia, not so much. We might prefer to get to Heaven by living a moral but conventional life, as opposed to the Glorious Deaths featured on holy cards, but it is not up to us to decide what trials we will face.
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  261. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rosamond Vincy
    Well, there you and Jesus agree:

    “No one can serve two masters. He will either hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."

    Which do you intend to serve?

    I'm all for patriotism; I've had three generations of my family in the military. But God is eternal; countries are not. Both ancient history and the events of our own lifetimes tell us that. Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, but giving up your soul is quite another thing.

    I’m all for patriotism; I’ve had three generations of my family in the military. But God is eternal; countries are not.

    That’s fine. I can respect someone who makes that choice, as long as they’re honest enough (which you seem to be) to admit that having made that choice they can’t call themselves nationalists. If you’re a nationalist you must put the interests of the nation first.

    I prefer to put nation first, but that’s just me.

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  262. @Bliss

    It was known in the West that the Japanese were the only intelligent Asians. They copied our inventions. They did not invent anything. If this had not happened, Japan would still be a rice paddy country.
     
    You are such a stupid yet pretentious ignoramus. You keep insisting that Japanese are the only intelligent asians, completely blind to both historical and current reality. The traditional Japanese culture is mostly derived from other Asian nations: from China primarily, and from India (via China). For example: Confucianism came to Japan from China, Buddhism from India via China (ditto for nonviolent martial arts), and even the gods and goddesses of Shintoism, the native religion of Japan, are largely of Indian origin. Japan was a marginal nation in the long history of Asia until recently.

    And you didn’t answer my question: Since IQ explains both the biological and spiritual worlds to your twisted little mind does that not make you both biologically and spiritually inferior to East Asians and Jews?

    Their souls cannot comprehend the transcendent like a Western soul
     
    You ridiculous numbskull, as if you have the slightest clue about transcendence. You are hopelessly trapped in the material and animalistic world. You claim to be a Christian but your racist rants have exactly zero to do with the Gospel of Jesus. If there is a Hell that’s where you are heading.

    Just a note to those making claims about god and mammon and applying the same to national loyalty.

    The scripture oft referenced is,

    “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.”

    It simply means that the first commandment reigns supreme –

    “I am the lord your hod, thou will have no other gods before.”

    It doesn’t matter whether that which comes before God is a state, a friend, a wife ethnicity or money.

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  263. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Bliss

    if a person does not work they shall not eat.
     
    That is actually a socialist principle: everyone has a job to do. It is under capitalism that you find the idle eaters: the idle rich who consume far more than they need, and the idle poor who are left unemployed to keep wages down and profits up.

    Jesus did not preach socialism

     

    Blessed are the poor (Matthew 5:3)

    Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." (Matthew 19:21)

    Then Jesus said to his disciples: I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. (Matthew 19:23-24)

    But people who long to be rich fall into temptation and are trapped by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows. (1 Timothy 6:9-10)

    if a person does not work they shall not eat.

    That is actually a socialist principle: everyone has a job to do. It is under capitalism that you find the idle eaters: the idle rich who consume far more than they need, and the idle poor who are left unemployed to keep wages down and profits up.

    Oddly enough in the very religious very Christian Middle Ages no-one believed in that principle. It was accepted that some people were not required to work. They had more important social duties – the nobility had a duty to render military service and the clergy had a duty to pray. These were considered to be at least as important as working. Until well into the 20th century most members of the aristocracy considered work (quite rightly) to be degrading.

    As Aristotle said, “All paid jobs absorb and degrade the mind.”

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  264. @attilathehen
    I have already stated that Asians must have their own churches. Focus when you are reading my comments. I have no interest in them and do not want them in the West.

    As to "socialist values." This is wrong. Jesus did not preach socialism as is taught and believed today. His communal values were for the priesthood and the family. Also, do you know the parable of the talents? Profit is allowed. Marxism, which is the real name for socialism, hates profits. Also, 2 THESSALONIANS 3:10 states if a person does not work they shall not eat. Marxism is about "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." This does not work. The Pilgrims tried this.

    I will gladly perhaps foolishly take this on. that is what scripture says. And as someone who is not officially working, I have to battle this out personally. I think that scripture is on point. when i was terminated back in 2—, having nothing to do with performance, drugs, or any of the peculiar issues people get terminated for — it had nothing to do with work. I didn’t ho on unemployment, for if i had it would mean, that what occurred was condoned by me — so i sought work elsewhere as well as continued to promote my own business.

    Nor did I apply for any other forms of welfare and haven’t – ever. That scripture means a lot to me for very personal reasons. But your contention that it has anything to so with IQ, ethnicity, or nationality or any other links to faith are just opinions, they are not scriptural in any way. I love work, and my work ethic exceeded anyone’s in my dept. Mostly likely because I am single and had no life. I made a conscious choice not to permit anyone to push me back from my educational attainments – earned. I had cleaned tables, mopped floors, done construction, washed dishes . . all of the manual labor stuff one does in this life. But I will take and do the work, for which i have paid a heavy price to gain in my field and I have no intention of bowing to the politics of rich or poor, heathens or Christians, Hollywood or DC games or the power of the police by going backwards — if that means I end up on the street — so be it.

    If that means dealing with silliness — well so be it.

    Since I am not taking any bread from the state or the church — I am quite content not to allow whatever personal guilt or embarrassment get in the way of advocacy for issues clearly unsupported by faith and practice. But when one has to resort to just personal attacks – it’s a clear they have no more rational to justify their position.

    But you may continue to dance as you around not having a single line of scripture to support your arguments.

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  265. Suppose the Catholic faith decides tomorrow that same sex marriage is condoned by God or that said behavior is acceptable and ordained by God,

    I would have to reject the notion with the same vigor as before they made the claim.

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