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“The Kurds have no friends but the mountains,” is an old lament. Last week, it must have been very much on Kurdish minds.

As their U.S. allies watched, the Kurdish peshmerga fighters were run out of Kirkuk and all the territory they had captured fighting ISIS alongside the Americans. The Iraqi army that ran them out was trained and armed by the United States.

The U.S. had warned the Kurds against holding the referendum on independence on Sept. 25, which carried with 92 percent. Iran and Turkey had warned against an independent Kurdistan that could be a magnet for Kurdish minorities in their own countries.

But the Iraqi Kurds went ahead. Now they have lost Kirkuk and its oil, and their dream of independence is all but dead.

More troubling for America is the new reality revealed by the rout of the peshmerga. Iraq, which George W. Bush and the neocons were going to fashion into a pro-Western democracy and American ally, appears to be as close to Iran as it is to the United States.

After 4,500 U.S. dead, scores of thousands wounded and a trillion dollars sunk, our 15-year war in Iraq could end with a Shiite-dominated Baghdad aligned with Tehran.

With that grim prospect in mind, Secretary Rex Tillerson said Sunday, “Iranian militias that are in Iraq, now that the fight against … ISIS is coming to a close … need to go home. Any foreign fighters in Iraq need to go home.”

Tillerson meant Iran’s Quds Force in Iraq should go home, and the Shiite militia in Iraq should be conscripted into the army.

But what if the Baghdad regime of Haider al-Abadi does not agree? What if the Quds Force does not go home to Iran and the Shiite militias that helped retake Kirkuk refuse to enlist in the Iraqi army?

Who then enforces Tillerson’s demands?

Consider what is happening in Syria.

The U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces, largely Kurdish, just annihilated ISIS in Raqqa and drove 60 miles to seize Syria’s largest oil field, al-Omar, from ISIS. The race is now on between the SDF and Bashar Assad’s army to secure the border with Iraq.

Bottom line: The U.S. goal of crushing the ISIS caliphate is almost attained. But if our victory in the war against ISIS leaves Iran in the catbird seat in Baghdad and Damascus, and its corridor from Tehran to Baghdad, Damascus and Beirut secure, is that really a victory?

Do we accept that outcome, pack up and go home? Or do we leave our forces in Syria and Iraq and defy any demand from Assad to vacate his country?

Sunday’s editorial in The Washington Post, “The Next Mideast Wars,” raises the crucial questions now before us.

Would President Trump be willing to fight a new war to keep Iran from consolidating its position in Iraq and Syria? Would the American people support such a war with U.S. troops?

Would Congress, apparently clueless to the presence of 800 U.S. troops in Niger, authorize a new U.S. war in Syria or Iraq?

If Trump and his generals felt our vital interests could not allow Syria and Iraq to drift into the orbit of Iran, where would we find allies for such a fight?

If we rely on the Kurds in Syria, we lose NATO ally Turkey, which regards Syria’s Kurds as collaborators of the PKK in Turkey, which even the U.S. designates a terrorist organization.

The decision as to whether this country should engage in new post-ISIS wars in the Mideast, however, may be taken out of our hands.

Saturday, Israel launched new air strikes against gun positions in Syria in retaliation for shells fired into the Golan Heights.

Damascus claims that Israel’s “terrorist” allies inside Syria fired the shells, to give the IDF an excuse to attack.

Why would Israel wish to provoke a war with Syria?

Because the Israelis see the outcome of the six-year Syrian civil war as a strategic disaster.

Hezbollah, stronger than ever, was part of Assad’s victorious coalition. Iran may have secured its land corridor from Tehran to Beirut. Its presence in Syria could now be permanent.

And only one force in the region has the power to reverse the present outcome of Syria’s civil war — the United States.

Bibi Netanyahu knows that if war with Syria breaks out, a clamor will arise in Congress to have the U.S. rush to Israel’s aid.

Closing its Sunday editorial the Post instructed the president:

“A failure by the United States to defend its allies or promote new political arrangements for (Syria and Iraq) will lead only to more war, the rise of new terrorist threats, and, ultimately, the necessity of more U.S. intervention.”

The interventionist Post is saying: The situation is intolerable. Confront Assad and Iran now, or fight them later.

Trump is being led to the Rubicon. If he crosses, he joins Bush II in the history books.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. MEexpert says:

    Are Our Mideast Wars Forever?

    As long as Israel and the neocons run the foreign policy of the United States, the answer is YES.

    After 4,500 U.S. dead, scores of thousands wounded and a trillion dollars sunk, our 15-year war in Iraq could end with a Shiite-dominated Baghdad aligned with Tehran.

    The Shiites make up more than 60 percent of the Iraq’s population. Why is it so troubling for the US that the Iraqi government is Shiite-dominated? Why shouldn’t it? Even though the United States tried to have Lebanon type government in Iraq by giving the Sunni and Kurdish minorites veto powers, the fact remains that more than 60 percent of Iraqis are Shias. The problem is that they are aligned with Iran. This is a result that no matter what the US did, she could not avoid. Best course of action; live with it.

    The US wanted a new world order. This is what they got in the Middle East despite all their efforts. They need to make the best use of it. Why are we fighting all these wars in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen against the Shias. Why must we have wars? Why can’t we live in peace with Iran and the rest of the Shia population.

    It is not enough to just talk about it. We, the public, need to take action similar to the one taken against Obama’s war with Syria. There should be a mail campaign to the elected representatives warning them of the consequences in 2018 if they authorized war against Iran or any of her allies. Perhaps a few marches on Washington D.C. may also be needed. Trump should be constantly reminded of his campaign promise to get out of the Middle East.

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  2. wraith67 says:

    The questions are off a bit. It’s a Shiite-Sunni proxy war that’s been going on for 1400 years, we’re not going to make it end by killing low level canon fodder in the Iraqi desert. If we’re not going to deal with Saudi Arabia and Iran, then we’re wasting our time. It’s not going to be a forever war, the fiscal trajectory of the country is going to put a stop to a lot of things, probably sooner than later.

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    • Replies: @Aren Haich
    The Sunni war against Shias of Iraq is contrived and financed by actors pushing the Israeli-US agenda in the region and as such is a recent phenomenon. It has no real modern religious dimension to it. This phony war, imposed by the West on the Middle East, takes advantage of the ignorance prevalent among the Wahhabi-schooled Sunnis to project Saudi Royals political prowess.
    The modern-day politics of the Middle East is very much based on nationhood and nationality rather than religion.The many secular countries in the region are the clear evidence of that.
    Finally, remember that The overwhelmingly Shia army of Saddam Hossein fought the Iranian Shia army for eight long years in the 1980s.
    , @MEexpert

    It’s a Shiite-Sunni proxy war that’s been going on for 1400 years, we’re not going to make it end by killing low level canon fodder in the Iraqi desert.
     
    Correction: Persecution of Shias has been going on for 1400 years. There was no Sunni-Shia war until the West goaded by Israel started this war. The reason was the fear of the rising Iran. Even with all the differences between Sunnis and Shias they inter-married and lived together for 1400 years in peace.

    The present conflict started after the Iranian revolution. Saudi Arabia backed by Israel and the US started exporting the Wahhabi brand of Islam using the petro-dollar. It is the Saudis that are building madrasahs and mosques all around the world not the Iranians. It is the Wahhabis that are bombing and destroying Shia mosques and shrines, not the Iranians. The US needs to control Israel and Saudi Arabia or our wars will continue for ever. Has the US once tried diplomacy and friendship with Iran? On the other hand, every time Iran extended her hands in friendship it was, the US who pushed it away. If the US accepts the offer of friendship from, the Americans may find the Iranians to be better friends than the Saudis.

    The Iranians may shout "death to America" or wish the demise of Israeli regime but it is the Israel and the US that threaten Iran with "all options on the table" including the Nuclear war. Sadly, the diplomacy option is not one of them.
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  3. Rurik says:

    Do we accept that outcome, pack up and go home?

    Yes. That’s what Trump was elected to do.

    Would President Trump be willing to fight a new war…

    Yes.

    Would the American people support such a war with U.S. troops?

    Would Congress…

    that’s where it gets interesting, because these sniveling whores are in the crosshairs between the American people, who will not tolerate more of these catastrophic and evil wars / vs. the ((donor class)) who hand them bags of shekels and demand they vote for more wars.

    congress must be made to understand that a vote (or a cowardly failure to vote) will be counted by the American people as treason, (if America is dragged into more wars by their action or inaction), and that they will be considered traitors to their oaths, constituents, and this republic if they allow more of these Satanic wars. And will be treated like the treasonous war criminals they are- by their constituents when they go home. Any congressman or women- who by their action or inaction, allows more wars, should be made to feel the consequences of such treason just as much as the young American boys and girls feel the consequences when they’re sent over there to slaughter innocent people on behalf of psychopaths like Bill Kristol and his cabal.

    It needs to be said. American Jews are behind these serial wars (for Israel)

    If Trump and his generals felt our vital interests could not allow …

    Oh please Mr. Buchannan, when, during the last few decades, and certainly since the false flag attack on 9/11, has the US military engaged in any hostilities on behalf of “our” vital interests?

    Eh?

    You know better sir, as does every single person reading these words, that ALL of these murderous wars of aggression have all been perpetrated on Israel’s behalf. Duh.

    And at the direct and catastrophic expense of the American people.

    saying “our” vital interests is a bad joke

    Why would Israel wish to provoke a war with Syria?

    Pat gets the award for dumbest question of the century!

    And only one force in the region has the power to reverse the present outcome of Syria’s civil war — the United States.

    bingo!

    but for Trump to go full on Hillary, and tell America that he was wrong all along, and that Hillary and John McCain and Lindsey Graham and Billy Kristol and the Bushes and the NYT and National Review and Podhoretz and all the other neocons and chicken hawks were right all along!!, and that what America really needs is more wars!.. and boots on the ground and more sniveling obeisance to (“it’s very good”) Bibi ..

    well, that is going to be one hard sell sir.

    by now we all know these wars have all been for Israel, and sure, there are millions of American evangelical “christian” Zionists clamoring for more slaughter and horrors and suffering in the holy land, yes.. that’s true. But luckily there are even more of us in the shadows who are simply unwilling to allow this nation to use up every last drop of its sacred blood and treasure to be spilled in the desert thousands of miles away butchering other innocent people on behalf of America’s worst enemy.

    So, there’s that.

    Sunday editorial the Post instructed the president:

    “A failure by the United States to defend its allies or promote new political arrangements for (Syria and Iraq) will lead only to more war

    what is it with Bezos?

    where are the American oligarchs who are against these evil wars (for Israel) ?!

    God speed to Assad, Putin, those honorable American people against these wars, and all the honorable, decent people the world over who demand an end to the evil Jewish wars of the 21st century.

    We must not allow Satan to call this century his too, as the last one certainly was!

    All wars are bankers wars, and we need to hold those people responsible for the evil they cause.

    Sheldon Adelson should quake in his slippers at the thought of facing the American people. Billy Kristol too, and all the Satanic fiends and bloodthirsty scum who deal in murder, death and human misery. Especially congress if they decide to go down that road.

    And God speed to President Trump in getting this message.

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    I find myself in full agreement with your remarks. Especially this:


    Pat gets the award for dumbest question of the century!

    Pat has outlived his usefulness. It's time to take away his car keys.
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  4. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Hurling projectiles at the dark eastern masses makes Western rulers look tough and presidential (or prime-ministerial), so yes, the Middle Eastern wars are pretty much open ended.

    Some Special Forces will go along. As Fred Reed put it, it’s a game with stakes high enough to engage their attention, and they like to play. Boys will be boys. Joe Public will keep grumbling about the elites, and the caravan marches on.

    And no, the Syrian Civil War is no disaster for Israel. A somalized Syria without chemical weapons is far less trouble than the Assad regime. Some Israelis actually enjoy watching the bad guys killing each other from the Golan on clear days.

    So Hizballah is “stronger than ever” I don’t think they want another 2006. Hizballalah knows full well that today’s IDF will follow much tougher rules of engagement and is far more adept at PR. When the Muslims do something really stupid, they will be slaughtered and no one will care or even know. And the caravan marches on.

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    I love the smell of hubris in the morning.
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  5. nickels says:

    “Would President Trump be willing to fight a new war”

    Trump will DO whatever he is told to.

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  6. Rurik says:

    And no, the Syrian Civil War is no disaster for Israel.

    wow

    you figured that out all by yourself? Golly, that’s impressive!

    Some Israelis actually enjoy watching the bad guys killing each other from the Golan on clear days.

    yep

    which is what all these wars and slaughter is all about

    WWI

    WWII

    and now the Eternal WarsⓊ

    Jews watching Gentiles get butchered with gleeful and joyous delight

    imagine Ariel Sharon lighting up the Shabra and Shatilla camps as the women and children were being mutilated, raped and slaughtered

    https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-5XPy14NyafI%2FUmKydzJ79tI%2FAAAAAAAAJlU%2FavNPwZPPcX8%2Fs1600%2Fperfidious%2Bjew.gif&f=1

    (I don’t think that gif is going to display, but that’s OK. I don’t want to seem like I’m denigrating the Jewish people in general, but in the case of this poster, (and the Israelis and American neocons, et al) it’s perfectly appropriate

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  7. Talha says:

    appears to be as close to Iran as it is to the United States

    I know Americans are not big on geography, but seesh!

    our 15-year war in Iraq could end with a Shiite-dominated Baghdad aligned with Tehran.

    Uh – some of us who’ve read our history books and ignored the Neocons said; war in Iraq would end with a Shiite-dominated Baghdad aligned with Tehran. So when can we fire those guys?

    “Any foreign fighters in Iraq need to go home.”

    Yay – our boys are coming home!

    is that really a victory?

    Yes, yes it is. For Iran of course, but hey, someone’s got to come out on top.

    Would Congress, apparently clueless to the presence of 800 U.S. troops in Niger

    Speaking of which – don’t look now folks, but we might be getting set up again:
    “THE U.S. WILL INVADE WEST AFRICA IN 2023 AFTER AN ATTACK IN NEW YORK — ACCORDING TO PENTAGON WAR GAME”

    https://theintercept.com/2017/10/22/the-u-s-will-invade-west-africa-in-2023-after-an-attack-in-new-york-according-to-pentagon-war-game/

    Dear Sub-Saharan Africa,

    We are sorry we’ve left you out of the unnecessary slaughter. You are also invited to the party – we like Blacks. See you in 2023!

    Uncle Sam

    Bibi Netanyahu knows that if war with Syria breaks out, a clamor will arise in Congress to have the U.S. rush to Israel’s aid.

    Yay – another round of “Let’s you and him fight” on behalf of Israel. In for a penny, in for a pound – right? Silver lining: at least this time it’ll be completely obvious to the entire world and undeniable – we went to war on behalf of Israel.

    Peace.

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    Hey Talha,

    I think Pat was referring to the peshmerga being closer to Iran ideologically

    war in Iraq would end with a Shiite-dominated Baghdad aligned with Tehran

     

    the whole problem is that we dumb American cannon fodder were supposed to have destroyed Iran utterly by now. So that Iran looked like Iraq and Libya and Syria by now. Remember Gen. Clark's memo?

    at least this time it’ll be completely obvious to the entire world and undeniable – we went to war on behalf of Israel.
     
    with the exception of cud-chewing bovinus americanus, whom are legion- that has been abundantly clear for decades now.


    Peace
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  8. @Rurik

    Do we accept that outcome, pack up and go home?
     
    Yes. That's what Trump was elected to do.

    Would President Trump be willing to fight a new war...
     
    Yes.

    Would the American people support such a war with U.S. troops?
     
    http://adammartin.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/NO.jpg

    Would Congress...
     
    that's where it gets interesting, because these sniveling whores are in the crosshairs between the American people, who will not tolerate more of these catastrophic and evil wars / vs. the ((donor class)) who hand them bags of shekels and demand they vote for more wars.

    congress must be made to understand that a vote (or a cowardly failure to vote) will be counted by the American people as treason, (if America is dragged into more wars by their action or inaction), and that they will be considered traitors to their oaths, constituents, and this republic if they allow more of these Satanic wars. And will be treated like the treasonous war criminals they are- by their constituents when they go home. Any congressman or women- who by their action or inaction, allows more wars, should be made to feel the consequences of such treason just as much as the young American boys and girls feel the consequences when they're sent over there to slaughter innocent people on behalf of psychopaths like Bill Kristol and his cabal.

    It needs to be said. American Jews are behind these serial wars (for Israel)

    If Trump and his generals felt our vital interests could not allow ...
     
    Oh please Mr. Buchannan, when, during the last few decades, and certainly since the false flag attack on 9/11, has the US military engaged in any hostilities on behalf of "our" vital interests?

    Eh?

    You know better sir, as does every single person reading these words, that ALL of these murderous wars of aggression have all been perpetrated on Israel's behalf. Duh.

    And at the direct and catastrophic expense of the American people.

    http://heathandvaughn.com/graphics/Meaning_of_Words/5.jpg

    saying "our" vital interests is a bad joke

    Why would Israel wish to provoke a war with Syria?
     
    Pat gets the award for dumbest question of the century!

    And only one force in the region has the power to reverse the present outcome of Syria’s civil war — the United States.
     
    bingo!

    but for Trump to go full on Hillary, and tell America that he was wrong all along, and that Hillary and John McCain and Lindsey Graham and Billy Kristol and the Bushes and the NYT and National Review and Podhoretz and all the other neocons and chicken hawks were right all along!!, and that what America really needs is more wars!.. and boots on the ground and more sniveling obeisance to ("it's very good") Bibi ..

    well, that is going to be one hard sell sir.

    by now we all know these wars have all been for Israel, and sure, there are millions of American evangelical "christian" Zionists clamoring for more slaughter and horrors and suffering in the holy land, yes.. that's true. But luckily there are even more of us in the shadows who are simply unwilling to allow this nation to use up every last drop of its sacred blood and treasure to be spilled in the desert thousands of miles away butchering other innocent people on behalf of America's worst enemy.

    So, there's that.

    Sunday editorial the Post instructed the president:

    “A failure by the United States to defend its allies or promote new political arrangements for (Syria and Iraq) will lead only to more war
     
    what is it with Bezos?

    where are the American oligarchs who are against these evil wars (for Israel) ?!

    God speed to Assad, Putin, those honorable American people against these wars, and all the honorable, decent people the world over who demand an end to the evil Jewish wars of the 21st century.

    We must not allow Satan to call this century his too, as the last one certainly was!

    All wars are bankers wars, and we need to hold those people responsible for the evil they cause.

    Sheldon Adelson should quake in his slippers at the thought of facing the American people. Billy Kristol too, and all the Satanic fiends and bloodthirsty scum who deal in murder, death and human misery. Especially congress if they decide to go down that road.

    And God speed to President Trump in getting this message.

    I find myself in full agreement with your remarks. Especially this:

    Pat gets the award for dumbest question of the century!

    Pat has outlived his usefulness. It’s time to take away his car keys.

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    naw, I still like Pat

    he's still one of the best go-to guys for geopolitical analysis

    and trust me, he knows why Israel is trying to destroy Syria, he just leaves a lot of things up to his readership to connect the dots

    cheers
    , @lavoisier
    It was a rhetorical question from Pat. He has known the score, and he has suffered terrible insults for that knowledge, for decades.
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  9. Tiny Duck says:

    The only thing that will save America from endless war in the middle east (as well as other bizarre policies-lax gun laws, for profit health care, etc….) is demographic change

    As long as straight white male Christians have any semblance of power the world will be a sorry place to live

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    Please flush this theory out for us. I'm sure we can all be converted if we just understand where you are coming from.
    , @Greg the American
    Yeah, keep telling yourself the fake news. Let's pretend I believe that the nature of a person is defined by their skin color, like you claim you do, though you seem a little trollish. Anyone with a cursory working knowledge of history understands the backwards old world ways have been shucked off worldwide in favor blue jeans and coca cola. Now, maybe at the end of world, if it goes bad, maybe we can argue it would have been better to stay in the reeds and brambles, keeping slaves, getting healed by witch doctors, and making human sacrifices to help the harvest, or maybe not since we're mostly hunter-gatherers at this point. These were the sort of habits of all the world's peoples for most of written and unwritten history. And if you happen to have been killed in some foolish genocide in recent times maybe you would also argue against the way the world has become.

    The perspective with which you judge straight white christian men was conceived, developed and implemented by those same white straight christian men, as well as the means by which you post your foolish perspective for me to read. Are you so daft as to not understand this. For all the thousands of years of man's pain (including all colors of skin of course) only for a couple of moments (historically) have the means been available to have justice, peace and South Park on three channels. What you enjoy then take for granted is a rare stroke of fate, for you were born in world of unprecedented priveliege you identity politics whiner.

    Or feel free to believe this was brought to mankind by George Washington Carver. Or Genghis Khan. And all at once without a hiccup of injustice of course. Or feel free to live in a sci-fi fantasy world where, who... the Aztecs reign supreme?
    , @MarkinLA
    The journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step - time to off yourself for the greater good of all of us.
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  10. nickels says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The only thing that will save America from endless war in the middle east (as well as other bizarre policies-lax gun laws, for profit health care, etc....) is demographic change

    As long as straight white male Christians have any semblance of power the world will be a sorry place to live

    Please flush this theory out for us. I’m sure we can all be converted if we just understand where you are coming from.

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    What do you mean?

    The "theory" is self evident
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  11. Virgile says:

    Israel has a dilemma after the failure of its plan to have a pro-US sunni leader taking over Bashar al Assad and keeping Iran away.
    It badly needs US presence in the region to counter Russia’s now permanent presence in Syria and the threat of a permanent Iranian presence directly on its door.
    To get the US to stay, there is only one option: a war with Hezbollah NOW where the USA will feel obliged to actively protect Israel. Yet Hezbollah is much stronger than in 2006 and much better prepared and the Iranian will intervene if the US intervenes. Therefore a war will be very costly to Israel and may fail to derail Iran’s ambitions in the region.
    If there will be no war, Israel will have to depend on its security more with Russia than with the USA.
    Israel will be weaker than ever and may be ready to accept compromises in the Palestinian issue to ensure its security . The neocons in the USA will push for a war but Netanyahu is terrified by its outcome. As a result Trump may be able to squeeze Israel into a peace deal with the Arabs.

    This is why I believe that the USA would prefer to quietly withdraw from the region, leaving Israel under pressure to deal with Russia on the issue of Iran and the Palestinian issues.
    Maybe that apparent disastrous failure of the USA would trigger the unexpected resolution of the Israel-Palestine issue?

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    If I may be so bold Virgile,

    The actual plan (as I see it) was to have Syria (eventually)chopped up into several smaller entities.

    The "rationale" behind this plan was so that Israel could lay claim to a " legitimate" annexation of the Golan Heights.

    The resolution in the UNSC (signed by the US also) unequivocally grants sovereignty of the Golan to Syria.

    Not Israel.

    If Syria's territorial integrity was shattered by the induced civil war, Israel could make a solid go at nullifying the resolution by claiming it no longer has "bearing" precisely because Syria(as was once understood) no longer "exists".

    A clever way of creating the "exception" without changing the "rule".

    This almost happened...but Russia swooped in and crushed ISIS on behalf of Syria, re-solidifying the country's fraying territorial integrity.

    It may actually be the primary reason our Neocon Overlords despise Putin with such intensity and have the daggers out for him.

    By saving Syria from the ravages of ISIS, Putin may well have put the kabosh on their "post-balkanization" gifting of the Golan Heights to Israel.
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  12. Tiny Duck says:
    @nickels
    Please flush this theory out for us. I'm sure we can all be converted if we just understand where you are coming from.

    What do you mean?

    The “theory” is self evident

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  13. Rurik says:

    another stinking neo-cuck bites the dust

    Chucky Schumer’s boytoy Jeff Flake is calling it quits, Hahahahahaahhaaa!

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/24/flake-retiring-after-2018-244114

    “We must never accept the deadly sundering of our country. The personal attacks, threats against principles and freedoms and institutions, and flagrant disregard for decency.”

    principles? what do you know about principles, you lying, treasonous POS

    “The notion that one should stay silent as the norms and values that keep America strong are undermined, and as alliances and agreements that ensure the stability of the entire world are routinely threatened…

    values that keep America strong are undermined, as you saAt there while our Constitutional rights were eviscerated, and you voted for NDAA, and all the wars and Gitmo and serial atrocities?!

    good riddance and slither off into the night cuck

    the only one that will miss you is Chucky Schumer and Diane Feinstein

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  14. Rurik says:
    @WorkingClass
    I find myself in full agreement with your remarks. Especially this:


    Pat gets the award for dumbest question of the century!

    Pat has outlived his usefulness. It's time to take away his car keys.

    naw, I still like Pat

    he’s still one of the best go-to guys for geopolitical analysis

    and trust me, he knows why Israel is trying to destroy Syria, he just leaves a lot of things up to his readership to connect the dots

    cheers

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    Thanks. He can keep his keys. But I'm not going to read him anymore. I prefer writers who tell it like they see it.
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    @WorkingClass
    I find myself in full agreement with your remarks. Especially this:


    Pat gets the award for dumbest question of the century!

    Pat has outlived his usefulness. It's time to take away his car keys.

    It was a rhetorical question from Pat. He has known the score, and he has suffered terrible insults for that knowledge, for decades.

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  16. Rurik says:
    @Talha

    appears to be as close to Iran as it is to the United States
     
    I know Americans are not big on geography, but seesh!

    our 15-year war in Iraq could end with a Shiite-dominated Baghdad aligned with Tehran.
     
    Uh - some of us who've read our history books and ignored the Neocons said; war in Iraq would end with a Shiite-dominated Baghdad aligned with Tehran. So when can we fire those guys?

    "Any foreign fighters in Iraq need to go home."
     
    Yay - our boys are coming home!

    is that really a victory?
     
    Yes, yes it is. For Iran of course, but hey, someone's got to come out on top.

    Would Congress, apparently clueless to the presence of 800 U.S. troops in Niger
     
    Speaking of which - don't look now folks, but we might be getting set up again:
    "THE U.S. WILL INVADE WEST AFRICA IN 2023 AFTER AN ATTACK IN NEW YORK — ACCORDING TO PENTAGON WAR GAME"
    https://theintercept.com/2017/10/22/the-u-s-will-invade-west-africa-in-2023-after-an-attack-in-new-york-according-to-pentagon-war-game/

    Dear Sub-Saharan Africa,

    We are sorry we've left you out of the unnecessary slaughter. You are also invited to the party - we like Blacks. See you in 2023!

    Uncle Sam


    Bibi Netanyahu knows that if war with Syria breaks out, a clamor will arise in Congress to have the U.S. rush to Israel’s aid.
     
    Yay - another round of "Let's you and him fight" on behalf of Israel. In for a penny, in for a pound - right? Silver lining: at least this time it'll be completely obvious to the entire world and undeniable - we went to war on behalf of Israel.

    Peace.

    Hey Talha,

    I think Pat was referring to the peshmerga being closer to Iran ideologically

    war in Iraq would end with a Shiite-dominated Baghdad aligned with Tehran

    the whole problem is that we dumb American cannon fodder were supposed to have destroyed Iran utterly by now. So that Iran looked like Iraq and Libya and Syria by now. Remember Gen. Clark’s memo?

    at least this time it’ll be completely obvious to the entire world and undeniable – we went to war on behalf of Israel.

    with the exception of cud-chewing bovinus americanus, whom are legion- that has been abundantly clear for decades now.

    Peace

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    Hey Rurik,

    I know, I lot of my comments were deliberately meant to be a little over the top. Just having a little fun.

    Peace.
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  17. Talha says:
    @Rurik
    Hey Talha,

    I think Pat was referring to the peshmerga being closer to Iran ideologically

    war in Iraq would end with a Shiite-dominated Baghdad aligned with Tehran

     

    the whole problem is that we dumb American cannon fodder were supposed to have destroyed Iran utterly by now. So that Iran looked like Iraq and Libya and Syria by now. Remember Gen. Clark's memo?

    at least this time it’ll be completely obvious to the entire world and undeniable – we went to war on behalf of Israel.
     
    with the exception of cud-chewing bovinus americanus, whom are legion- that has been abundantly clear for decades now.


    Peace

    Hey Rurik,

    I know, I lot of my comments were deliberately meant to be a little over the top. Just having a little fun.

    Peace.

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  18. @Rurik
    naw, I still like Pat

    he's still one of the best go-to guys for geopolitical analysis

    and trust me, he knows why Israel is trying to destroy Syria, he just leaves a lot of things up to his readership to connect the dots

    cheers

    Thanks. He can keep his keys. But I’m not going to read him anymore. I prefer writers who tell it like they see it.

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  19. KenH says:

    Our Middle East wars will be forever unless we cast the (((neo-cons))) and the Jewish lobby into the outer darkness, or suffer a crushing military defeat in the Middle East on the order of a Stalingrad, or the multicultural fun house called the USSA just collapses of its own dead weight similar to the USSR.

    Trump is being led to the Rubicon. If he crosses, he joins Bush II in the history books.

    This is my fear because even though he sounded like Charles Lindbergh on the campaign trail his close ties to Israel and the Jewish community made him a wild card on foreign policy especially where it concerns Israel. He could morph into Bush II even though he savaged him for the Iraq war.

    If he cannot resist the war party then his presidency will be relegated to the dustbin much like GW Bush’s was.

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  20. First of all, Mr. Buchanan, the US is the illegal occupier in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan. They should leave at once. Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah were asked by President al-Assad to help him defeat the terrorist, which the US, Israel and the Arab despots implanted in Syria. If the US starts in the name of Israel a war with Iran, Iraq will be definitely a “catwalk” like the Ziocons used to say. Right now, the US is run by a military junta and Wall Street. Trump will do, what these crooks tell him, which is not in the interest of the American people. But did they ever cared about the well-being of the people? The US has, up to this day, not clarified the circumstances of the 9/11 attacks. Till this happens, and it will be a disaster for the American political system, the US is going to fight this fictitious “war on terrorism” forever. For a foreign observer of US foreign policy, it’s difficult to imagine that the Ziocon political criminals have still the say what US Middle Eastern policy is concerned. They are only pushing Israeli interests. The result of their “advice” is chaos. So far, the Yinon plan works perfectly well for Israel, thanks to the US.

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  21. alexander says:
    @Virgile
    Israel has a dilemma after the failure of its plan to have a pro-US sunni leader taking over Bashar al Assad and keeping Iran away.
    It badly needs US presence in the region to counter Russia's now permanent presence in Syria and the threat of a permanent Iranian presence directly on its door.
    To get the US to stay, there is only one option: a war with Hezbollah NOW where the USA will feel obliged to actively protect Israel. Yet Hezbollah is much stronger than in 2006 and much better prepared and the Iranian will intervene if the US intervenes. Therefore a war will be very costly to Israel and may fail to derail Iran's ambitions in the region.
    If there will be no war, Israel will have to depend on its security more with Russia than with the USA.
    Israel will be weaker than ever and may be ready to accept compromises in the Palestinian issue to ensure its security . The neocons in the USA will push for a war but Netanyahu is terrified by its outcome. As a result Trump may be able to squeeze Israel into a peace deal with the Arabs.

    This is why I believe that the USA would prefer to quietly withdraw from the region, leaving Israel under pressure to deal with Russia on the issue of Iran and the Palestinian issues.
    Maybe that apparent disastrous failure of the USA would trigger the unexpected resolution of the Israel-Palestine issue?

    If I may be so bold Virgile,

    The actual plan (as I see it) was to have Syria (eventually)chopped up into several smaller entities.

    The “rationale” behind this plan was so that Israel could lay claim to a ” legitimate” annexation of the Golan Heights.

    The resolution in the UNSC (signed by the US also) unequivocally grants sovereignty of the Golan to Syria.

    Not Israel.

    If Syria’s territorial integrity was shattered by the induced civil war, Israel could make a solid go at nullifying the resolution by claiming it no longer has “bearing” precisely because Syria(as was once understood) no longer “exists”.

    A clever way of creating the “exception” without changing the “rule”.

    This almost happened…but Russia swooped in and crushed ISIS on behalf of Syria, re-solidifying the country’s fraying territorial integrity.

    It may actually be the primary reason our Neocon Overlords despise Putin with such intensity and have the daggers out for him.

    By saving Syria from the ravages of ISIS, Putin may well have put the kabosh on their “post-balkanization” gifting of the Golan Heights to Israel.

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  22. Andevro says:

    To Ruric,,
    My hat off to you for your comments. You are true patriotic American. May good things come to you and yours.

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    thank you sir!

    God bless
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  23. @Anonymous
    Hurling projectiles at the dark eastern masses makes Western rulers look tough and presidential (or prime-ministerial), so yes, the Middle Eastern wars are pretty much open ended.

    Some Special Forces will go along. As Fred Reed put it, it's a game with stakes high enough to engage their attention, and they like to play. Boys will be boys. Joe Public will keep grumbling about the elites, and the caravan marches on.

    And no, the Syrian Civil War is no disaster for Israel. A somalized Syria without chemical weapons is far less trouble than the Assad regime. Some Israelis actually enjoy watching the bad guys killing each other from the Golan on clear days.

    So Hizballah is "stronger than ever" I don't think they want another 2006. Hizballalah knows full well that today's IDF will follow much tougher rules of engagement and is far more adept at PR. When the Muslims do something really stupid, they will be slaughtered and no one will care or even know. And the caravan marches on.

    I love the smell of hubris in the morning.

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  24. Rurik says:
    @Andevro
    To Ruric,,
    My hat off to you for your comments. You are true patriotic American. May good things come to you and yours.

    thank you sir!

    God bless

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  25. @wraith67
    The questions are off a bit. It's a Shiite-Sunni proxy war that's been going on for 1400 years, we're not going to make it end by killing low level canon fodder in the Iraqi desert. If we're not going to deal with Saudi Arabia and Iran, then we're wasting our time. It's not going to be a forever war, the fiscal trajectory of the country is going to put a stop to a lot of things, probably sooner than later.

    The Sunni war against Shias of Iraq is contrived and financed by actors pushing the Israeli-US agenda in the region and as such is a recent phenomenon. It has no real modern religious dimension to it. This phony war, imposed by the West on the Middle East, takes advantage of the ignorance prevalent among the Wahhabi-schooled Sunnis to project Saudi Royals political prowess.
    The modern-day politics of the Middle East is very much based on nationhood and nationality rather than religion.The many secular countries in the region are the clear evidence of that.
    Finally, remember that The overwhelmingly Shia army of Saddam Hossein fought the Iranian Shia army for eight long years in the 1980s.

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  26. MEexpert says:
    @wraith67
    The questions are off a bit. It's a Shiite-Sunni proxy war that's been going on for 1400 years, we're not going to make it end by killing low level canon fodder in the Iraqi desert. If we're not going to deal with Saudi Arabia and Iran, then we're wasting our time. It's not going to be a forever war, the fiscal trajectory of the country is going to put a stop to a lot of things, probably sooner than later.

    It’s a Shiite-Sunni proxy war that’s been going on for 1400 years, we’re not going to make it end by killing low level canon fodder in the Iraqi desert.

    Correction: Persecution of Shias has been going on for 1400 years. There was no Sunni-Shia war until the West goaded by Israel started this war. The reason was the fear of the rising Iran. Even with all the differences between Sunnis and Shias they inter-married and lived together for 1400 years in peace.

    The present conflict started after the Iranian revolution. Saudi Arabia backed by Israel and the US started exporting the Wahhabi brand of Islam using the petro-dollar. It is the Saudis that are building madrasahs and mosques all around the world not the Iranians. It is the Wahhabis that are bombing and destroying Shia mosques and shrines, not the Iranians. The US needs to control Israel and Saudi Arabia or our wars will continue for ever. Has the US once tried diplomacy and friendship with Iran? On the other hand, every time Iran extended her hands in friendship it was, the US who pushed it away. If the US accepts the offer of friendship from, the Americans may find the Iranians to be better friends than the Saudis.

    The Iranians may shout “death to America” or wish the demise of Israeli regime but it is the Israel and the US that threaten Iran with “all options on the table” including the Nuclear war. Sadly, the diplomacy option is not one of them.

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    Well said. Your reply is a step to correct a very common misconception about Islam.
    I often amazed looking at the vast sea of ignorance about Sunni-Shia divide that exists in the West. I can only attribute it to agencies deliberately propagating it to mislead the public.
    , @KenH

    There was no Sunni-Shia war until the West goaded by Israel started this war.
     
    True, there was no official war, but I think there was always a little collective tension between the two. Neither side needed much encouragement to start bombing each other's mosques, kidnapping and killing each other. Saddam's police state seemed to keep the passions and blood lust of each side in check.

    The Muslim brotherhood, who are Sunni, attempted to overthrow Haffez Al Assad of Syria partly because they thought it insufferable to be ruled by Shia-Alawites. This was long before Dubya's great crusade to democratize the Middle East.
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  27. @Tiny Duck
    The only thing that will save America from endless war in the middle east (as well as other bizarre policies-lax gun laws, for profit health care, etc....) is demographic change

    As long as straight white male Christians have any semblance of power the world will be a sorry place to live

    Yeah, keep telling yourself the fake news. Let’s pretend I believe that the nature of a person is defined by their skin color, like you claim you do, though you seem a little trollish. Anyone with a cursory working knowledge of history understands the backwards old world ways have been shucked off worldwide in favor blue jeans and coca cola. Now, maybe at the end of world, if it goes bad, maybe we can argue it would have been better to stay in the reeds and brambles, keeping slaves, getting healed by witch doctors, and making human sacrifices to help the harvest, or maybe not since we’re mostly hunter-gatherers at this point. These were the sort of habits of all the world’s peoples for most of written and unwritten history. And if you happen to have been killed in some foolish genocide in recent times maybe you would also argue against the way the world has become.

    The perspective with which you judge straight white christian men was conceived, developed and implemented by those same white straight christian men, as well as the means by which you post your foolish perspective for me to read. Are you so daft as to not understand this. For all the thousands of years of man’s pain (including all colors of skin of course) only for a couple of moments (historically) have the means been available to have justice, peace and South Park on three channels. What you enjoy then take for granted is a rare stroke of fate, for you were born in world of unprecedented priveliege you identity politics whiner.

    Or feel free to believe this was brought to mankind by George Washington Carver. Or Genghis Khan. And all at once without a hiccup of injustice of course. Or feel free to live in a sci-fi fantasy world where, who… the Aztecs reign supreme?

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  28. Wally says: • Website

    Philip Giraldi has already dealt with the facts rather well:

    America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/

    and attacked & persecuted because it.
    see here:

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/how-i-got-fired/

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  29. @MEexpert

    It’s a Shiite-Sunni proxy war that’s been going on for 1400 years, we’re not going to make it end by killing low level canon fodder in the Iraqi desert.
     
    Correction: Persecution of Shias has been going on for 1400 years. There was no Sunni-Shia war until the West goaded by Israel started this war. The reason was the fear of the rising Iran. Even with all the differences between Sunnis and Shias they inter-married and lived together for 1400 years in peace.

    The present conflict started after the Iranian revolution. Saudi Arabia backed by Israel and the US started exporting the Wahhabi brand of Islam using the petro-dollar. It is the Saudis that are building madrasahs and mosques all around the world not the Iranians. It is the Wahhabis that are bombing and destroying Shia mosques and shrines, not the Iranians. The US needs to control Israel and Saudi Arabia or our wars will continue for ever. Has the US once tried diplomacy and friendship with Iran? On the other hand, every time Iran extended her hands in friendship it was, the US who pushed it away. If the US accepts the offer of friendship from, the Americans may find the Iranians to be better friends than the Saudis.

    The Iranians may shout "death to America" or wish the demise of Israeli regime but it is the Israel and the US that threaten Iran with "all options on the table" including the Nuclear war. Sadly, the diplomacy option is not one of them.

    Well said. Your reply is a step to correct a very common misconception about Islam.
    I often amazed looking at the vast sea of ignorance about Sunni-Shia divide that exists in the West. I can only attribute it to agencies deliberately propagating it to mislead the public.

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    Gibbon wrote this sometime in the 1780's:

    The mischiefs that flow from the contests of ambition are usually confined to the times and countries in which they have been agitated. But the religious discord of the friends and enemies of Ali has been renewed in every age of the Hegira, and is still maintained in the immortal hatred of the Persians and Turks.
     
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  30. David says:
    @Aren Haich
    Well said. Your reply is a step to correct a very common misconception about Islam.
    I often amazed looking at the vast sea of ignorance about Sunni-Shia divide that exists in the West. I can only attribute it to agencies deliberately propagating it to mislead the public.

    Gibbon wrote this sometime in the 1780′s:

    The mischiefs that flow from the contests of ambition are usually confined to the times and countries in which they have been agitated. But the religious discord of the friends and enemies of Ali has been renewed in every age of the Hegira, and is still maintained in the immortal hatred of the Persians and Turks.

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    Hey David,

    Gibbon was wrong - for a few reasons:
    1) Turks are basically Persianized Central Asians - that is whom they took culture and even a good amount of language from. The Ottoman and Safavid/Afsharid/Qajar clashes were certainly mostly along Sunni/Shia lines, but those were specifically Imperial wars that recruited religion to their respective sides to bolster their case. Otherwise, even many of the rulers of Persia were originally from Turkish stock (Qajars, Ghaznavids, etc.)
    2. But the religious discord of the friends and enemies of Ali has been renewed in every age of the Hegira - Sunnis can hardly be described as the enemies of Ali (ra). The only ones who ever held that view were the Umayyads - and even that nonsense was stopped by Umar ibn Abdul Aziz (ra). All Sufi Orders (save one) across the Sunni landscape, trace their spiritual lineage back to Ali (ra).

    This issue is far more complicated than people think it is. Furthermore, even though there has been a lot of fighting on the ground, much of that has been between Salafi-Wahhabi extremists and practically everyone else. The only ones pushing for an all out war are extremists from both sides. The traditional Muslim scholarship (at its highest levels) has been pushing for peace between the differing groups and this culminated in the Amman Message which was signed by the top scholars (Sunni and Shiah) across the world:
    http://ammanmessage.com/

    Peace.
    , @MEexpert

    But the religious discord of the friends and enemies of Ali has been renewed in every age of the Hegira, and is still maintained in the immortal hatred of the Persians and Turks.
     
    Gibbon has been wrong about many aspects of Islam. He did not fully understand the meaning of Muharram (the commemoration of the battle of Karbala where Yazid ibn Muawiyah's army killed the grandson of the prophet (PBUH) (Hussein ibn Ali) and his family and friends and imprisoned the women and children of the Prophet's (PBUH) household.) Yazid was also a self proclaimed caliph of the Muslims just like Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi. He too did this in the name of Islam.

    The renewal Gibbon refers to is not the renewal of discord but the revival of Hussein's message to the mankind. It was the voice for the oppressed and against tyranny and a message for the humans all around the world to stand up to oppressors like Yazid (and Hitler). If you want to throw in Saddam and Stalin that is fine too. Today Yazid is forgotten but the message of Hussein is alive and well. It is very important to revive this message every year or complacency sets in and a new oppressor rises.

    This revival is not confined to Shias. In India, Pakistan, Iraq, and Syria, and I am sure other places as well, you will find Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Sunnis, and Shias taking out procession commemorating the martyrdom of Hussein. It is also interesting to know that there were at least two Christians in the 72-men Army of Hussein who were martyred. Furthermore, a group of supporters from India arrived in Karbala but too late to be of any help to Hussein.

    This universal message of Hussein is now heard all around the world including the west. I challenge the so-called scholars to spend some time researching this message. If they could understand even half of it and spread it to the masses the world would be a better place. But I know a certain section of western society who wants to keep this message hidden from the common man because it does not promote their goal of destroying Iran.
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  31. Talha says:
    @David
    Gibbon wrote this sometime in the 1780's:

    The mischiefs that flow from the contests of ambition are usually confined to the times and countries in which they have been agitated. But the religious discord of the friends and enemies of Ali has been renewed in every age of the Hegira, and is still maintained in the immortal hatred of the Persians and Turks.
     

    Hey David,

    Gibbon was wrong – for a few reasons:
    1) Turks are basically Persianized Central Asians – that is whom they took culture and even a good amount of language from. The Ottoman and Safavid/Afsharid/Qajar clashes were certainly mostly along Sunni/Shia lines, but those were specifically Imperial wars that recruited religion to their respective sides to bolster their case. Otherwise, even many of the rulers of Persia were originally from Turkish stock (Qajars, Ghaznavids, etc.)
    2. But the religious discord of the friends and enemies of Ali has been renewed in every age of the Hegira – Sunnis can hardly be described as the enemies of Ali (ra). The only ones who ever held that view were the Umayyads – and even that nonsense was stopped by Umar ibn Abdul Aziz (ra). All Sufi Orders (save one) across the Sunni landscape, trace their spiritual lineage back to Ali (ra).

    This issue is far more complicated than people think it is. Furthermore, even though there has been a lot of fighting on the ground, much of that has been between Salafi-Wahhabi extremists and practically everyone else. The only ones pushing for an all out war are extremists from both sides. The traditional Muslim scholarship (at its highest levels) has been pushing for peace between the differing groups and this culminated in the Amman Message which was signed by the top scholars (Sunni and Shiah) across the world:

    http://ammanmessage.com/

    Peace.

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  32. MarkinLA says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The only thing that will save America from endless war in the middle east (as well as other bizarre policies-lax gun laws, for profit health care, etc....) is demographic change

    As long as straight white male Christians have any semblance of power the world will be a sorry place to live

    The journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step – time to off yourself for the greater good of all of us.

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  33. @alexander
    If I may be so bold Virgile,

    The actual plan (as I see it) was to have Syria (eventually)chopped up into several smaller entities.

    The "rationale" behind this plan was so that Israel could lay claim to a " legitimate" annexation of the Golan Heights.

    The resolution in the UNSC (signed by the US also) unequivocally grants sovereignty of the Golan to Syria.

    Not Israel.

    If Syria's territorial integrity was shattered by the induced civil war, Israel could make a solid go at nullifying the resolution by claiming it no longer has "bearing" precisely because Syria(as was once understood) no longer "exists".

    A clever way of creating the "exception" without changing the "rule".

    This almost happened...but Russia swooped in and crushed ISIS on behalf of Syria, re-solidifying the country's fraying territorial integrity.

    It may actually be the primary reason our Neocon Overlords despise Putin with such intensity and have the daggers out for him.

    By saving Syria from the ravages of ISIS, Putin may well have put the kabosh on their "post-balkanization" gifting of the Golan Heights to Israel.

    You nailed it!

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  34. KenH says:
    @MEexpert

    It’s a Shiite-Sunni proxy war that’s been going on for 1400 years, we’re not going to make it end by killing low level canon fodder in the Iraqi desert.
     
    Correction: Persecution of Shias has been going on for 1400 years. There was no Sunni-Shia war until the West goaded by Israel started this war. The reason was the fear of the rising Iran. Even with all the differences between Sunnis and Shias they inter-married and lived together for 1400 years in peace.

    The present conflict started after the Iranian revolution. Saudi Arabia backed by Israel and the US started exporting the Wahhabi brand of Islam using the petro-dollar. It is the Saudis that are building madrasahs and mosques all around the world not the Iranians. It is the Wahhabis that are bombing and destroying Shia mosques and shrines, not the Iranians. The US needs to control Israel and Saudi Arabia or our wars will continue for ever. Has the US once tried diplomacy and friendship with Iran? On the other hand, every time Iran extended her hands in friendship it was, the US who pushed it away. If the US accepts the offer of friendship from, the Americans may find the Iranians to be better friends than the Saudis.

    The Iranians may shout "death to America" or wish the demise of Israeli regime but it is the Israel and the US that threaten Iran with "all options on the table" including the Nuclear war. Sadly, the diplomacy option is not one of them.

    There was no Sunni-Shia war until the West goaded by Israel started this war.

    True, there was no official war, but I think there was always a little collective tension between the two. Neither side needed much encouragement to start bombing each other’s mosques, kidnapping and killing each other. Saddam’s police state seemed to keep the passions and blood lust of each side in check.

    The Muslim brotherhood, who are Sunni, attempted to overthrow Haffez Al Assad of Syria partly because they thought it insufferable to be ruled by Shia-Alawites. This was long before Dubya’s great crusade to democratize the Middle East.

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  35. MEexpert says:
    @David
    Gibbon wrote this sometime in the 1780's:

    The mischiefs that flow from the contests of ambition are usually confined to the times and countries in which they have been agitated. But the religious discord of the friends and enemies of Ali has been renewed in every age of the Hegira, and is still maintained in the immortal hatred of the Persians and Turks.
     

    But the religious discord of the friends and enemies of Ali has been renewed in every age of the Hegira, and is still maintained in the immortal hatred of the Persians and Turks.

    Gibbon has been wrong about many aspects of Islam. He did not fully understand the meaning of Muharram (the commemoration of the battle of Karbala where Yazid ibn Muawiyah’s army killed the grandson of the prophet (PBUH) (Hussein ibn Ali) and his family and friends and imprisoned the women and children of the Prophet’s (PBUH) household.) Yazid was also a self proclaimed caliph of the Muslims just like Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi. He too did this in the name of Islam.

    The renewal Gibbon refers to is not the renewal of discord but the revival of Hussein’s message to the mankind. It was the voice for the oppressed and against tyranny and a message for the humans all around the world to stand up to oppressors like Yazid (and Hitler). If you want to throw in Saddam and Stalin that is fine too. Today Yazid is forgotten but the message of Hussein is alive and well. It is very important to revive this message every year or complacency sets in and a new oppressor rises.

    This revival is not confined to Shias. In India, Pakistan, Iraq, and Syria, and I am sure other places as well, you will find Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Sunnis, and Shias taking out procession commemorating the martyrdom of Hussein. It is also interesting to know that there were at least two Christians in the 72-men Army of Hussein who were martyred. Furthermore, a group of supporters from India arrived in Karbala but too late to be of any help to Hussein.

    This universal message of Hussein is now heard all around the world including the west. I challenge the so-called scholars to spend some time researching this message. If they could understand even half of it and spread it to the masses the world would be a better place. But I know a certain section of western society who wants to keep this message hidden from the common man because it does not promote their goal of destroying Iran.

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