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“They had found a leader, Robert E. Lee — and what a leader! … No military leader since Napoleon has aroused such enthusiastic devotion among troops as did Lee when he reviewed them on his horse Traveller.”

So wrote Samuel Eliot Morison in his magisterial “The Oxford History of the American People” in 1965.

First in his class at West Point, hero of the Mexican War, Lee was the man to whom President Lincoln turned to lead his army. But when Virginia seceded, Lee would not lift up his sword against his own people, and chose to defend his home state rather than wage war upon her.

This veneration of Lee, wrote Richard Weaver, “appears in the saying attributed to a Confederate soldier, ‘The rest of us may have … descended from monkeys, but it took a God to make Marse Robert.’”

Growing up after World War II, this was accepted history.

Yet, on the militant left today, the name Lee evokes raw hatred and howls of “racist and traitor.” A clamor has arisen to have all statues of him and all Confederate soldiers and statesmen pulled down from their pedestals and put in museums or tossed onto trash piles.

What has changed since 1965?

It is not history. There have been no great new discoveries about Lee.

What has changed is America herself. She is not the same country. We have passed through a great social, cultural and moral revolution that has left us irretrievably divided on separate shores.
And the politicians are in panic.

Two years ago, Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe called the giant statues of Lee and “Stonewall” Jackson on Richmond’s Monument Avenue “parts of our heritage.” After Charlottesville, New York-born-and-bred McAuliffe, entertaining higher ambitions, went full scalawag, demanding the statues be pulled down as “flashpoints for hatred, division, and violence.”

Who hates the statues, Terry? Who’s going to cause the violence? Answer: The Democratic left whom Terry must now appease.

McAuliffe is echoed by Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, the Democratic candidate in November to succeed McAuliffe. GOP nominee Ed Gillespie wants Monument Avenue left alone.

The election is the place to decide this, but the left will not wait.

In Durham, North Carolina, our Taliban smashed the statue of a Confederate soldier. Near the entrance of Duke University Chapel, a statue of Lee has been defaced, the nose broken off.

Wednesday at dawn, Baltimore carried out a cultural cleansing by taking down statues of Lee and Maryland Chief Justice Roger Taney who wrote the Dred Scott decision and opposed Lincoln’s suspension of the right of habeas corpus.

Like ISIS, which smashed the storied ruins of Palmyra, and the al-Qaida rebels who ravaged the fabled Saharan city of Timbuktu, the new barbarism has come to America. This is going to become a blazing issue, not only between but within the parties.

For there are 10 Confederates in Statuary Hall in the Capitol, among them Lee, Georgia’s Alexander Stephens, vice president to Jefferson Davis, and Davis himself. The Black Caucus wants them gone.

Mount Rushmore-sized carvings of Lee, Jackson and Davis are on Stone Mountain, Georgia. Are they to be blasted off?

ORDER IT NOW

There are countless universities, colleges and high schools like Washington & Lee named for Confederate statesmen and soldiers. Across the Potomac from D.C. are Jefferson Davis Highway and Leesburg Pike to Leesburg itself, 25 miles north. Are all highways, streets, towns and counties named for Confederates to be renamed? What about Fort Bragg?

On every Civil War battlefield, there are monuments to the Southern fallen. Gettysburg has hundreds of memorials, statues and markers. But if, as the left insists we accept, the Confederates were traitors trying to tear America apart to preserve an evil system, upon what ground do Democrats stand to resist the radical left’s demands?

What do we do with those battlefields where Confederates were victorious: Bull Run, Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville?

“Where does this all end?” President Trump asked.

It doesn’t. Not until America’s histories and biographies are burned and new texts written to Nazify Lee, Jackson, Davis and all the rest, will a newly indoctrinated generation of Americans accede to this demand to tear down and destroy what their fathers cherished.

And once all the Confederates are gone, one must begin with the explorers, and then the slave owners like Presidents Washington, Jefferson and Madison, who seceded from slave-free Britain. White supremacists all.

Andrew Jackson, Henry Clay of Kentucky and John Calhoun must swiftly follow.

Then there are all those segregationists. From 1865 to 1965, virtually all of the great Southern senators were white supremacists.

In the first half of the 20th century, Woodrow Wilson and FDR carried all 11 states of a rigidly segregationist South all six times they ran, and FDR rewarded Dixie by putting a Klansman on the Supreme Court.

While easy for Republicans to wash their hands of such odious elements as Nazis in Charlottesville, will they take up the defense of the monuments and statues that have defined our history, or capitulate to the icon-smashers?

In this Second American Civil War, whose side are you on?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

Copyright 2017 Creators.com.

 
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  1. Miro23 says:

    In Durham, North Carolina, our Taliban smashed the statue of a Confederate soldier. Near the entrance of Duke University Chapel, a statue of Lee has been defaced, the nose broken off.

    In other words the US leftist cancer is about to metastasize with the hysterical talk turning to violence, so it’s time to imagine the United States as Afghanistan under the Taliban.

    Would the US Taliban dynamite the statues of Lee, Jackson and Davis at Mount Rushmore? Yes they would, in fact they’re frustrated that they can’t do it right now.

    To my mind it’s a question of the middle ground. If the majority of US citizens live in fear and collaborate then we get Afghanistan under the Taliban. If they can focus around “America First” then there may be a different outcome, but even here we get more polarization with hardened positions (friend or enemy) and a descent into a spiral of violence.

    There are similarities to outbreak of the Spanish Civil War in 1936. Spain quickly broke up into Republican and Nationalist regions and fought it out.

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    Would the US Taliban dynamite the statues of Lee, Jackson and Davis at Mount Rushmore? Yes they would, in fact they’re frustrated that they can’t do it right now.
     
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  2. Randal says:

    Who hates the statues, Terry? Who’s going to cause the violence? Answer: The Democratic left whom Terry must now appease.

    Where is the real “hatred” in our societies today?

    It is in the Taliban-like statue-hating, political correctness-enforcing zealots of the left.

    It is in the people who think that “protesting” means gathering as a violent, aggressive mob to try to shout down, bully and silence their political rivals.

    It is in the people whose response to hearing an opinion they disapprove of is to try to hound the person expressing it out of his job and his livelihood, and in many cases to seek actual violence against him. Whose instinct is to try to use the law to silence opinions they hate, if they can achieve it.

    It is in the people who cynically whip up political support by telling their identity group vote fodder to obsess over long past grievances instead of taking responsibility for their own group’s problems.

    It is in the people who think they have the right to declare other people’s political opinions evil and suppress them by force and by law.

    It is in the people who think that the healthy way to address a decades or even centuries old historical grievance is to nurse it and obsess over it, and to try to punish the descendants of those supposedly responsible for it.

    Today, hatred is in Black Lives Matter, and in “antifa”, and in all their fellow travellers on the left who justify and protect them.

    Choose a side indeed – the side of hatred and of censorship, or the side of national solidarity, liberty and decency.

    In the US it’s obvious that the former is the left and the Democrats, which leaves the Republicans to represent the latter. But clearly the Republican Party is failing to do its job in that regard when so many of its top elected representatives kowtow to the hate-filled violent left and its shibboleths about racial and sexual hatred. Men like the Bushes, Rubio, Graham and Kasich can be relied upon to betray any attempt to resist the hate-filled left.

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    • Replies: @SMK
    You forgot to mention John McCain, the leader and worst of them all.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Until we show that we can organize and not constantly infight while being divided and conquered, our fate is to be destroyed.
  3. “…Presidents Washington, Jefferson, and Madison, who seceded from slave-free Britain.”

    Not so fast, Pat! Britain abolished the slave trade in 1807. Slavery in the Empire (except for “the Territories in the Possession of the East India Company”, Saint Helena, and Ceylon) wasn’t abolished until the passage of the Slavery Abolition Act of 1833. See:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833

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    • Replies: @SMK
    Imagine if the English hadn't bought slaves from the Africans and brought them to North America in the early 17th century. No Civil War with the slaughter of 600-700 white males -more deaths than in all toher wars combined. No segregation and "Jim Crow" and "lynch Law." No Civil Right Act, which led, inexorably, to "affirmative action," racial quotas, double standards, preferential treatment for blacks, i.e. systematic "reverse discrimination against whites, especially males. No half a century of riots with hundreds of deaths and billions of dollars of property damage. No black underclass and the blighting and destruction of every city in the South and every large city outside the South. No pandemic black criminality, no black-on-white violence. No Wichita massacre, Knoxville horror, O.J. Simpson, zebra killings, ad nauseam.

    No apotheosis of Martin Luther King. No Al Sharpton, Barack Obama, Eric Holder, Maxine Waters, Cornet West, Eric Michael Dyson, Juan Williams, ad nauseam. No ubiquitous and constant denunciations of "racism" and the "legacy of slavery and segregation" to excuse and justify and explain the self-inflicted "problems" and pathologies of "African-Americans." No ubiquitous and masochistic white guilt over these "problems" and pathologies. No vilification and demonization of whites for telling the truth about negro criminality, violence, average intelligence, etc. No Charlottesville, no "second Civil War. ad nauseam. Imagine an America with no blacks.

  4. “While easy for Republicans to wash their hands of such odious elements as Nazis in Charlottesville….”

    Our side is never going to win as long as we are playing Uncle Tom like this.

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  5. “But when Virginia seceded, Lee would not lift up his sword against his own people, and chose to defend his home state rather than wage war upon her.”

    When called to do so, will American soldiers show such bravery and compassion? Or will they do as the cops have and gleefully turn their guns upon their own people when their paymasters order them to?

    If anyone has family in the military now is the time to make it very clear to them that if they turn against their own people they can find new friends and family.

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  6. So, how long before Russia or China send manpads and small arms to the Alt-Right resistance?

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    So, how long before Russia or China send manpads and small arms to the Alt-Right resistance?
     
    I think the Alt-Right is OK on small arms, and that's what may make this situation just slightly different from that of Taliban-run Afghanistan, Cultural-Revolution-era Red China, and Russia of 1917. History may rhyme, but it doesn't always repeat. Go long repeating arms.
    , @Anonymous
    Frankly, I'd rather have Russkies here than the insane, metastasizing cancer liberal beast who are our fellow citizens in name only.
  7. “While easy for Republicans to wash their hands of such odious elements as Nazis in Charlottesville….”

    It must not be all that easy if James Murdoch feels a need to spend $1m to fight Nazis … What’s that work it to, about $200 per actual Nazi? Or is the goal to create more Nazis by pissing off more average deplorables who don’t want to sit still and stay quiet while being ethnically cleansed?

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  8. Civil says:

    “So, how long before Russia or China send manpads and small arms to the Alt-Right resistance?”

    That’s an interesting point, actually. If either of those countries were in any way competently run, they would do something similar. Not necessarily ship weapons, which could be traced and cause lots of trouble but make sure dissident opinions in the US couldn’t be no platformed or censored, promoting chaos and disunity within the US. If I were the Chinese, I’d find a Chinese billionaire and have him open web hosting, paypal, youtube, and Cloudflare-type platforms in Hong Kong for use by such people in the US (although I would bill it as something different for cover). That way there are no connections to the government and the US neocon establishment loses control of the narrative.

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    • Replies: @Randal

    That’s an interesting point, actually. If either of those countries were in any way competently run, they would do something similar. Not necessarily ship weapons, which could be traced and cause lots of trouble but make sure dissident opinions in the US couldn’t be no platformed or censored, promoting chaos and disunity within the US. If I were the Chinese, I’d find a Chinese billionaire and have him open web hosting, paypal, youtube, and Cloudflare-type platforms in Hong Kong for use by such people in the US (although I would bill it as something different for cover). That way there are no connections to the government and the US neocon establishment loses control of the narrative.
     
    I agree this is an interesting point, because you are of course correct that doing that would be potentially a viable route for either Russia or China to do to the US exactly what it has tried to do to them and has done to numerous other counties including some of their allies. I think the reasons why this has not and will not happen in either case are particular to each case.

    In the case of China, the simple reality is that China has no particular interest in or objective of taking the US down. It does not feel threatened by the US, and believes (with plenty of justice) that time is on its side and all it has to do is hold steady and the position of global top dog will drop into its hands naturally. Stability is China's friend and the costs of destabilising the US state would be far greater to China than any benefits.

    For Russia it's a little different, because Russia is genuinely threatened by the US, and its leaders know it. They have more recent and more direct experience of US subversive interference and attempts at regime change by "colour revolutions", and being under ongoing economic warfare waged by the US regime they have much less to lose from US instability and much more to gain. So why then did they so quickly decline to host the Daily Stormer, and why don't they engage in the kind of support for subversive political destabilisation you describe? After all, it's exactly what the US has been doing to Russia via the "democracy promotion" and "human rights" NGOs and similar techniques for decades.

    The answer I think lies in the politically tricky nature of US dissidents for the Russian ruling elite. The Daily Stormer wing of US dissidents is clearly incompatible with Russia's historical and current problems with fascism and Nazism (both in WW2 and in the Ukraine, today), and wholly out of step with their own anti-racism ideology required to run a multinational state. And in general, Russia's rulers are not ideologically sympathetic to liberty-based anti-authoritarian rebels such as would constitute much of the rest of the dissidents in the US sphere. Witness the often awkward relationship between Putin and Snowden, for instance.

    Certainly, though, with the more open moves to social exclusion and repression of dissidents on the political right, the US sphere has opened itself up to a foreign country or countries doing to it what it has done to so many over the years. It remains to be seen whether any country will have the means, the motive and the ideological flexibility to take up the proffered weapon. Too small or overt an enemy, such as Iran or North Korea, can simply be cut off from easy access by US internet users, as China has demonstrated can be done reasonably effectively. Countries more integrated into the global economy have more to lose from US instability.

  9. SMK says: • Website
    @Eustace Tilley (not)
    "...Presidents Washington, Jefferson, and Madison, who seceded from slave-free Britain."

    Not so fast, Pat! Britain abolished the slave trade in 1807. Slavery in the Empire (except for "the Territories in the Possession of the East India Company", Saint Helena, and Ceylon) wasn't abolished until the passage of the Slavery Abolition Act of 1833. See:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833

    Imagine if the English hadn’t bought slaves from the Africans and brought them to North America in the early 17th century. No Civil War with the slaughter of 600-700 white males -more deaths than in all toher wars combined. No segregation and “Jim Crow” and “lynch Law.” No Civil Right Act, which led, inexorably, to “affirmative action,” racial quotas, double standards, preferential treatment for blacks, i.e. systematic “reverse discrimination against whites, especially males. No half a century of riots with hundreds of deaths and billions of dollars of property damage. No black underclass and the blighting and destruction of every city in the South and every large city outside the South. No pandemic black criminality, no black-on-white violence. No Wichita massacre, Knoxville horror, O.J. Simpson, zebra killings, ad nauseam.

    No apotheosis of Martin Luther King. No Al Sharpton, Barack Obama, Eric Holder, Maxine Waters, Cornet West, Eric Michael Dyson, Juan Williams, ad nauseam. No ubiquitous and constant denunciations of “racism” and the “legacy of slavery and segregation” to excuse and justify and explain the self-inflicted “problems” and pathologies of “African-Americans.” No ubiquitous and masochistic white guilt over these “problems” and pathologies. No vilification and demonization of whites for telling the truth about negro criminality, violence, average intelligence, etc. No Charlottesville, no “second Civil War. ad nauseam. Imagine an America with no blacks.

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  10. If you want to change the direction of a nation, you must first erase existing history and replace it with one that leads in that new direction.

    I think some guy named Orwell wrote a book about that a long time ago…

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  11. SMK says: • Website
    @Randal

    Who hates the statues, Terry? Who’s going to cause the violence? Answer: The Democratic left whom Terry must now appease.
     
    Where is the real "hatred" in our societies today?

    It is in the Taliban-like statue-hating, political correctness-enforcing zealots of the left.

    It is in the people who think that "protesting" means gathering as a violent, aggressive mob to try to shout down, bully and silence their political rivals.

    It is in the people whose response to hearing an opinion they disapprove of is to try to hound the person expressing it out of his job and his livelihood, and in many cases to seek actual violence against him. Whose instinct is to try to use the law to silence opinions they hate, if they can achieve it.

    It is in the people who cynically whip up political support by telling their identity group vote fodder to obsess over long past grievances instead of taking responsibility for their own group's problems.

    It is in the people who think they have the right to declare other people's political opinions evil and suppress them by force and by law.

    It is in the people who think that the healthy way to address a decades or even centuries old historical grievance is to nurse it and obsess over it, and to try to punish the descendants of those supposedly responsible for it.

    Today, hatred is in Black Lives Matter, and in "antifa", and in all their fellow travellers on the left who justify and protect them.

    Choose a side indeed - the side of hatred and of censorship, or the side of national solidarity, liberty and decency.

    In the US it's obvious that the former is the left and the Democrats, which leaves the Republicans to represent the latter. But clearly the Republican Party is failing to do its job in that regard when so many of its top elected representatives kowtow to the hate-filled violent left and its shibboleths about racial and sexual hatred. Men like the Bushes, Rubio, Graham and Kasich can be relied upon to betray any attempt to resist the hate-filled left.

    You forgot to mention John McCain, the leader and worst of them all.

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    • Replies: @Randal

    You forgot to mention John McCain, the leader and worst of them all.
     
    Well in fairness I'm a bit bored of pointing out McCain's many and profound flaws, and I hadn't noticed him chiming in on this latest issue.

    Will age and cancer not soon achieve what American Republicans ought to have managed decades ago, and get that warmongering blight out of US politics and world affairs, anyway?
  12. Randal says:
    @Civil
    "So, how long before Russia or China send manpads and small arms to the Alt-Right resistance?"

    That's an interesting point, actually. If either of those countries were in any way competently run, they would do something similar. Not necessarily ship weapons, which could be traced and cause lots of trouble but make sure dissident opinions in the US couldn't be no platformed or censored, promoting chaos and disunity within the US. If I were the Chinese, I'd find a Chinese billionaire and have him open web hosting, paypal, youtube, and Cloudflare-type platforms in Hong Kong for use by such people in the US (although I would bill it as something different for cover). That way there are no connections to the government and the US neocon establishment loses control of the narrative.

    That’s an interesting point, actually. If either of those countries were in any way competently run, they would do something similar. Not necessarily ship weapons, which could be traced and cause lots of trouble but make sure dissident opinions in the US couldn’t be no platformed or censored, promoting chaos and disunity within the US. If I were the Chinese, I’d find a Chinese billionaire and have him open web hosting, paypal, youtube, and Cloudflare-type platforms in Hong Kong for use by such people in the US (although I would bill it as something different for cover). That way there are no connections to the government and the US neocon establishment loses control of the narrative.

    I agree this is an interesting point, because you are of course correct that doing that would be potentially a viable route for either Russia or China to do to the US exactly what it has tried to do to them and has done to numerous other counties including some of their allies. I think the reasons why this has not and will not happen in either case are particular to each case.

    In the case of China, the simple reality is that China has no particular interest in or objective of taking the US down. It does not feel threatened by the US, and believes (with plenty of justice) that time is on its side and all it has to do is hold steady and the position of global top dog will drop into its hands naturally. Stability is China’s friend and the costs of destabilising the US state would be far greater to China than any benefits.

    For Russia it’s a little different, because Russia is genuinely threatened by the US, and its leaders know it. They have more recent and more direct experience of US subversive interference and attempts at regime change by “colour revolutions”, and being under ongoing economic warfare waged by the US regime they have much less to lose from US instability and much more to gain. So why then did they so quickly decline to host the Daily Stormer, and why don’t they engage in the kind of support for subversive political destabilisation you describe? After all, it’s exactly what the US has been doing to Russia via the “democracy promotion” and “human rights” NGOs and similar techniques for decades.

    The answer I think lies in the politically tricky nature of US dissidents for the Russian ruling elite. The Daily Stormer wing of US dissidents is clearly incompatible with Russia’s historical and current problems with fascism and Nazism (both in WW2 and in the Ukraine, today), and wholly out of step with their own anti-racism ideology required to run a multinational state. And in general, Russia’s rulers are not ideologically sympathetic to liberty-based anti-authoritarian rebels such as would constitute much of the rest of the dissidents in the US sphere. Witness the often awkward relationship between Putin and Snowden, for instance.

    Certainly, though, with the more open moves to social exclusion and repression of dissidents on the political right, the US sphere has opened itself up to a foreign country or countries doing to it what it has done to so many over the years. It remains to be seen whether any country will have the means, the motive and the ideological flexibility to take up the proffered weapon. Too small or overt an enemy, such as Iran or North Korea, can simply be cut off from easy access by US internet users, as China has demonstrated can be done reasonably effectively. Countries more integrated into the global economy have more to lose from US instability.

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  13. Randal says:
    @SMK
    You forgot to mention John McCain, the leader and worst of them all.

    You forgot to mention John McCain, the leader and worst of them all.

    Well in fairness I’m a bit bored of pointing out McCain’s many and profound flaws, and I hadn’t noticed him chiming in on this latest issue.

    Will age and cancer not soon achieve what American Republicans ought to have managed decades ago, and get that warmongering blight out of US politics and world affairs, anyway?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Actually, Senator McCain has indeed chimed in and voiced support for Antifa, shortly after Mitt Romney did.
  14. Rurik says:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/08/18/i-hope-trump-is-assassinated-a-missouri-lawmakers-facebook-comment-leads-to-calls-for-her-resignation/?utm_term=.b1c48233076a

    it’s roiling

    it seems to be a question over whether or not white men have a right to assemble and protest for their rights too

    or that white men are congenital racists, evil and must never, ever be allowed to assemble and seek equal rights; as it would be = de facto Nazism/KKK/gas chambers/slavery and lynching. Which are what all the symbols of America’s (racist, genocidal) heritage mean to all good people (minorities and cucks).

    I have to wonder how it must feel to be a WWII generation white American man (or Brit, etc..) and see what it looks like today in your countries after “winning” that war.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "I have to wonder how it must feel to be a WWII generation white American man (or Brit, etc..) and see what it looks like today in your countries after “winning” that war."

    People of that generation I've been around tend to say things nowadays like, "I'm glad I won't be living much longer."
  15. Flavius says:

    Patrick Buchanan is a voice crying out in the wilderness and has been for decades. The usual suspects, prescient as always, early on pulled out the stops to destroy him but only succeeded in denying him political office.
    It is difficult to appraise whether the health of the American body politic and of the West in general was worse in 1975, taking the date arbitrarily, or today in terms of the longer term prospects. Setting Viet Nam aside as a special study, in 1975 by far the greater incidence of revolutionary violence, hatred (however the meaning of that word actually parses), etc was on the fringes of the political left; and whenever the political left was dominant in government, it preferred to depict the problem as though it were on the right. Still, conditions in the USSR, in the Bloc countries, and Maoist China made for a stark contrast and were a surprisingly effective stabilizing factor overall in the domestic politics of the Western countries.
    50 years later and two decades removed from the end of the Cold War the institutions of American Governance, to include the establishment media, are in the throes of a full fledged nervous breakdown and flailing about incoherently over the inconvenient fact that the American electoral system favored an outsider over its preferred candidate, a manifestly corrupt timeserver and placeholder. Russia, China, and sane America look on aghast even as the establishment licenses the luntatic left to run amok. One senses that the establishment thinks it cathartic and would like physically to take to the street alongside of the lunatics.
    It is hard to say whether this is all leading to Civil War or not; but if the Left overturns this election in the streets with the complicity of the establishment, it is safe to predict that there will be some kind of hell to pay.

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  16. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Here is a war going on to regain Bush Cheney era which will ensure 100% domination of I in regard to economic social foreign policy agenda . Weakened T might just go and bomb Iran and Venezuela hoping this will endear him to Neocons neo cons will use it against him ( NYT is already preparing the ground ). Pence will be better because the he is on same level as of the neocons on foreign policy , wars, exclusively Zionistic and anti muslim .

    These agitation and sudden penchant to pull down statues are not organic These are encouraged created and financed with collusion of the law enforcement or supported by passivity and fear of the law enforcement agency.

    The Color revolution has reached America.

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  17. Veritatis says:

    “There are similarities to outbreak of the Spanish Civil War in 1936. Spain quickly broke up into Republican and Nationalist regions and fought it out.”

    Interesting, I tend to agree. What similarities were you considering?

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    "In this Second American Civil War, whose side are you on?"

    I always appreciate Buchanan's question, they're helpful in thinking an issue through. Notice the kindling words absent from his writing: fascism, antifa, et al. Those are plentiful in other places, and I find that curious. How can the US be speaking about fascism, when it has never experienced the raised-arm salute on its soil? And related to the century-and-a-half old Civil War?!?

    In Europe, the process of nation pacification after Civil War was carried by unification through-reeducation. The recipe was damnatio memoriae. It is hard to imagine statues in Italy for the Bourbon/pontificial generals. Or for the Vendéens in post-revolutionary France. The more recent defeated fascist in Germany suffered the same fate. In Spain, fascist Franco did a good damnatio memoriae of the defeated leftist 'masonic cabal', now being reversed.

    The US provided a valuable example by remaining federalist, and letting each side honor their dead. Unity with richness of cultures, so to speak. I wonder whether the bellicose Westward expansion helped foster this "sense of unity", or whether it was something else, like the common Christian faith.

    Anyway, I'd like to read up on Lee, can anyone point me in the direction of a good biography?

    And a link to info about an LA agency that was recently recruiting actors for Charlotte. The site's italian, but photo's in english: http://www.maurizioblondet.it/abbattere-statue-uguale-ai-roghi-libri/

    What a civilized way to violent protest! In Mexico it's organized word of mouth. (And I hope I can post on the third try!!)
    , @Miro23

    “There are similarities to outbreak of the Spanish Civil War in 1936. Spain quickly broke up into Republican and Nationalist regions and fought it out.”
     
    This story went back some way.

    The radical Spanish left found the Bolshevik takeover of Russia 1917 inspirational and wanted to do the same in Spain. Their first attempt at a General Strike (1917) failed but the political violence continued with three attempts on the life of King Alfonso XIII and several hundred people murdered between 1919 and 1923.

    King Alfonso abdicated, and two days later on April 14th 1931 a Democratic Republic was proclaimed with the violence continuing and organized mobs of mainly anarchists and Republican left extremists burning more than a hundred churches and other religious buildings in Madrid and other cities.

    The more revolutionary sector led by Largo Caballero came to dominate the government and rejected association with "bourgeois parties" with Luis Araquistain a theorist of revolutionary socialism proclaiming their complete "bolchevización" - "Bolchevisation" adhering to the same policy of violent revolution as the Communists.

    On 25th March 1936 the Spanish farm worker syndicate the FNTT initiated a lawless mass occupation of land in Badajoz province with around 60.000 people seizing property. The government at first tried to intervene but soon gave up and legalized the seizure with the Communist press praising the whole thing.

    Leftist provinces named revolutionary militants as auxiliary police. As the new governor of Oviedo Province said, "I have appointed Popular Front delegates (political militants appointed as auxiliary police) throughout Asturias, who have been carrying out anti-fascist sweeps with good results: They have jailed priests, doctors, municipal secretaries, and whomever else it may be."

    Historian Stanley Payne, summed up the situation prior to the murder of rightist parliamentarian Calvo-Sotelo by a leftist hit squad and Franco's subsequent 18th July 1936 revolt of military officers in Spanish Morocco:

    ".... Even though the authority of this government steadily declined, it would remain the key actor for the next five months, with responsibility for guiding the country and avoiding breakdown or civil war. It failed to meet these responsibilities because its priorities were, first, to maintain an exclusively all leftist government that rejected any compromise with the centre or moderate right, and second, to avoid any break with the revolutionaries, because their support was necessary to remain in power . The Republic's first historian, the noted Catalan journalist Josep Pla, termed this strategy Azana's "ideological Kerenskyism" referring to the Russian prime minister who also fell to the Bolsheviks."

    Franco broadcast a message for all army officers to join the uprising and overthrow Spain's leftist Republican government. Three days later he had captured Morocco and gained the support of much of Northern Spain and key cities in the South, although not Madrid, Barcelona or the Mediterranean and the revolt failed in the navy. Both sides started to attack their political opponents.

    The point seems to be that the government was not ready to compromise with traditional Spain and turned a blind eye to leftist violence, to such an extent that much of Spain outside the big cities was ready to abandon parliament and support Franco.

    Source: Stanley Payne's even handed account in the Cambridge Essential Histories series "The Spanish Civil War" https://www.amazon.com/Spanish-Civil-Cambridge-Essential-Histories/dp/0521174708/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1503251108&sr=8-3&keywords=spanish+civil+war%2C+payne
  18. “In this Second American Civil War, whose side are you on?”

    Like most Americans, I’m on the side of order and calm.

    Besides, this latest convulsion of histrionics on the part of the left is 1) best seen as serving as the second assault on the presidency as Russia-gate collapses, so, it serves as its replacement to continue to inflame the left constituencies in the hopes of an electoral reversal in 2018 and; i.e., it is a political contrivance and 2) like the band of merry dopes, losers and loners that are the white supremacists the Antifa’s tactics are self-defeating in the eyes of average Americans and they, again like the supremacists, will fade into obscurity in due time.

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    • Agree: European-American
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Like most Americans, I’m on the side of order and calm.
     
    The other side does not want order and calm, Longfisher. You can't win against them with order and calm.
  19. @The Alarmist
    So, how long before Russia or China send manpads and small arms to the Alt-Right resistance?

    So, how long before Russia or China send manpads and small arms to the Alt-Right resistance?

    I think the Alt-Right is OK on small arms, and that’s what may make this situation just slightly different from that of Taliban-run Afghanistan, Cultural-Revolution-era Red China, and Russia of 1917. History may rhyme, but it doesn’t always repeat. Go long repeating arms.

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  20. Veritatis says:
    @Veritatis
    "There are similarities to outbreak of the Spanish Civil War in 1936. Spain quickly broke up into Republican and Nationalist regions and fought it out."

    Interesting, I tend to agree. What similarities were you considering?

    “In this Second American Civil War, whose side are you on?”

    I always appreciate Buchanan’s question, they’re helpful in thinking an issue through. Notice the kindling words absent from his writing: fascism, antifa, et al. Those are plentiful in other places, and I find that curious. How can the US be speaking about fascism, when it has never experienced the raised-arm salute on its soil? And related to the century-and-a-half old Civil War?!?

    In Europe, the process of nation pacification after Civil War was carried by unification through-reeducation. The recipe was damnatio memoriae. It is hard to imagine statues in Italy for the Bourbon/pontificial generals. Or for the Vendéens in post-revolutionary France. The more recent defeated fascist in Germany suffered the same fate. In Spain, fascist Franco did a good damnatio memoriae of the defeated leftist ‘masonic cabal’, now being reversed.

    The US provided a valuable example by remaining federalist, and letting each side honor their dead. Unity with richness of cultures, so to speak. I wonder whether the bellicose Westward expansion helped foster this “sense of unity”, or whether it was something else, like the common Christian faith.

    Anyway, I’d like to read up on Lee, can anyone point me in the direction of a good biography?

    And a link to info about an LA agency that was recently recruiting actors for Charlotte. The site’s italian, but photo’s in english: http://www.maurizioblondet.it/abbattere-statue-uguale-ai-roghi-libri/

    What a civilized way to violent protest! In Mexico it’s organized word of mouth. (And I hope I can post on the third try!!)

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    How can the US be speaking about fascism, when it has never experienced the raised-arm salute on its soil?
     
    Look up the history of the Pledge of Allegiance, in particular the "Bellamy Salute."

    Here's start.:

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/22/opinion/greene-pledge-of-allegiance-salute/index.html
    , @res

    Anyway, I’d like to read up on Lee, can anyone point me in the direction of a good biography?
     
    1936 Pultizer Prize winner (2576 pages): https://www.amazon.com/R-Lee-Biography-Pulitzer-Prize/dp/B000GR3V2G

    Online: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/e/gazetteer/people/robert_e_lee/frerel/home.html

    An abridged version (656 pages): https://www.amazon.com/Lee-Douglas-Southall-Freeman/dp/0684829533
    , @Hood Canal Gardner
    Perhaps Pat Lang's SST "Lee Thumbnail" a day or so back belongs in the reading:

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/08/the-marble-man-and-his-wifes-slaves.html
  21. @Longfisher
    "In this Second American Civil War, whose side are you on?"

    Like most Americans, I'm on the side of order and calm.

    Besides, this latest convulsion of histrionics on the part of the left is 1) best seen as serving as the second assault on the presidency as Russia-gate collapses, so, it serves as its replacement to continue to inflame the left constituencies in the hopes of an electoral reversal in 2018 and; i.e., it is a political contrivance and 2) like the band of merry dopes, losers and loners that are the white supremacists the Antifa's tactics are self-defeating in the eyes of average Americans and they, again like the supremacists, will fade into obscurity in due time.

    Like most Americans, I’m on the side of order and calm.

    The other side does not want order and calm, Longfisher. You can’t win against them with order and calm.

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  22. bjondo says:

    Coming changes:

    Monticello will be converted into Ch-ville’s main synagogue.
    Washington Monument will be renamed Elie Weasel Monument.
    Vietnam War Memorial will have names of the 58000 removed and replaced with names of Jews who have felt slighted somewhere, sometime. Will need many additional sections added.
    Lincoln and the Lincoln Memorial will be replaced by G. Soros and the Soros Memorial.
    Four racist heads on Mt Rushmore have to go. Replaced by Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Zakheim.

    Sorry Blacks, Browns, Trannies, Queeries, Retards, Actors. All of you were used.

    Pat, pack up and leave. Like the Palestinians, go somewhere else. You don’t belong.

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    • Replies: @TheJester
    Yes, some things never change. Blacks have always been "useful idiots" supporting someone else's agenda.

    Same in Britain ... probably the same worldwide. The book, "This is London", by Ben Judah is an interesting read in this regard ... although a better title would have been "Londonistan". Judah interviews the new and newer non-British occupants of London. Blacks intimate that they are aware that when it comes to dealing drugs that they have the most dangerous jobs. They are on the street and visible to the police. More recent white immigrants further up the food chain are the ones safely making their fortunes.

    I agree with comments elsewhere in the Unz Review that a caste system is emerging from our affirmative action cultures. When the dust settles, the new caste relationships will be Jews on top, followed by Asians, Whites, and Hispanics. Blacks will remain at the bottom. Nothing will have changed except that the caste relationships will have become more formal, more rigid, and permanent ... buttressed in America by (and in spite of the Constitution) the ratios and formulas found in law and Supreme Court decisions and in Britain by Parliamentary decrees.
    , @Kevin C.

    Pat, pack up and leave. Like the Palestinians, go somewhere else. You don’t belong.
     
    Where is there left to go, that will take us in?
  23. David says:

    Dreher wets his pants over Mr Buchanan’s column: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/buchanan-shameful-defense-of-white-supremacy/

    Mr Buchanan doesn’t endorse the view Dreher says he does. He’s says that for centuries all the white people arriving in the Americas thought they were superior to the people they displaced (a feeling our displacers obviously share). So banishing all white supremacists from history would banish most all white history. That’s how I take it.

    He doesn’t say that white people were superior, though one might guess his view would be, “I prefer my own people.”

    Dreher’s aversion to the idea that white people might be worth cherishing for a change is weird.

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    • Replies: @Randal
    A particularly contemptible piece by Dreher, as much for its dishonest disloyalty to a colleague who ought to be shown more respect as for his own bedwetting hysteria about the supposed metaphysical evils of racism and therefore of Buchanan.

    Dreher thinks that in order to be respectable he has to condemn "racism", as loudly as possible, as some kind of magical evil, instead of accepting it for what it is - a collection of political, scientific and social ideas and opinions of varying degrees of usefulness and rationality. In order to do so he's quite prepared to twist his own faith out of all recognition.

    It's particularly amusing that in that piece he justifies his condemnation of "white supremacists" to the outer darkness based upon supposed outrages committed by their supposed equivalents decades ago, in a nice parallel to those who condemn Christians and Christianity out of hand on the basis of all the past outrages committed by Christians.

    It's a fine demonstration of rationality over-ridden by desperate emotional need.
  24. Veritatis says:

    [It was caught in the automatic third-party spam-filter, perhaps based on reports from other websites. It's now been unspammed and published.]

    Mr. Unz, I can’t publish a longish comment in this column, though I just posted one sentence over at Sailer’s. Now a pop-up says I’m duplicating comments. Can you help?

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  25. TheJester says:
    @bjondo
    Coming changes:

    Monticello will be converted into Ch-ville's main synagogue.
    Washington Monument will be renamed Elie Weasel Monument.
    Vietnam War Memorial will have names of the 58000 removed and replaced with names of Jews who have felt slighted somewhere, sometime. Will need many additional sections added.
    Lincoln and the Lincoln Memorial will be replaced by G. Soros and the Soros Memorial.
    Four racist heads on Mt Rushmore have to go. Replaced by Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Zakheim.

    Sorry Blacks, Browns, Trannies, Queeries, Retards, Actors. All of you were used.

    Pat, pack up and leave. Like the Palestinians, go somewhere else. You don't belong.

    Yes, some things never change. Blacks have always been “useful idiots” supporting someone else’s agenda.

    Same in Britain … probably the same worldwide. The book, “This is London”, by Ben Judah is an interesting read in this regard … although a better title would have been “Londonistan”. Judah interviews the new and newer non-British occupants of London. Blacks intimate that they are aware that when it comes to dealing drugs that they have the most dangerous jobs. They are on the street and visible to the police. More recent white immigrants further up the food chain are the ones safely making their fortunes.

    I agree with comments elsewhere in the Unz Review that a caste system is emerging from our affirmative action cultures. When the dust settles, the new caste relationships will be Jews on top, followed by Asians, Whites, and Hispanics. Blacks will remain at the bottom. Nothing will have changed except that the caste relationships will have become more formal, more rigid, and permanent … buttressed in America by (and in spite of the Constitution) the ratios and formulas found in law and Supreme Court decisions and in Britain by Parliamentary decrees.

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  26. Svigor says:

    All of the Founding Fathers were racists and traitors. These idiots don’t even know what country they’re in.

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  27. Svigor says:

    This is what separate countries are for.

    I can’t say I mind the Baltimore approach. Lee is far too good to have his monument sullied by the presence of Marylanders: foreigners, wiggers, and n!ggers, with few exceptions. Move his monuments out of Soviet Maryland.

    PS, McCauliffe is the dunce who said “millions” of Americans die every year due to gun violence, right?

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  28. Randal says:
    @David
    Dreher wets his pants over Mr Buchanan's column: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/buchanan-shameful-defense-of-white-supremacy/

    Mr Buchanan doesn't endorse the view Dreher says he does. He's says that for centuries all the white people arriving in the Americas thought they were superior to the people they displaced (a feeling our displacers obviously share). So banishing all white supremacists from history would banish most all white history. That's how I take it.

    He doesn't say that white people were superior, though one might guess his view would be, "I prefer my own people."

    Dreher's aversion to the idea that white people might be worth cherishing for a change is weird.

    A particularly contemptible piece by Dreher, as much for its dishonest disloyalty to a colleague who ought to be shown more respect as for his own bedwetting hysteria about the supposed metaphysical evils of racism and therefore of Buchanan.

    Dreher thinks that in order to be respectable he has to condemn “racism”, as loudly as possible, as some kind of magical evil, instead of accepting it for what it is – a collection of political, scientific and social ideas and opinions of varying degrees of usefulness and rationality. In order to do so he’s quite prepared to twist his own faith out of all recognition.

    It’s particularly amusing that in that piece he justifies his condemnation of “white supremacists” to the outer darkness based upon supposed outrages committed by their supposed equivalents decades ago, in a nice parallel to those who condemn Christians and Christianity out of hand on the basis of all the past outrages committed by Christians.

    It’s a fine demonstration of rationality over-ridden by desperate emotional need.

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    • Replies: @Flavius
    Indulging his feelings is what makes Dreher tick.
    I gave up on American Conservative a year or so into the Obama Administration when it was clear that the Washington bureaucracies were running Obama to the same pernicious ends, foreign ends absolutely and domestic ends in spades, as they had been running Bush; and the magazine had forgotten how to speak truth to power. I won't speculate as to the motive.
    Dreher from the time he landed always provided a particularly reprehensible example of moralistic navel gazing, cringemaking actually, and Larison, once sharp, had drifted off into not much better. Now that it is Trump the mag seem to have recovered its mojo. Sorry, not for me.
    It is too bad because it had been a fine magazine before it decided to go all People Magazine and market itself to the mush minded: enter Dreher, stage left.
    , @WorkingClass
    I agree with your take on Dreher. I gave up on him since Trump. He is a devout Orthodox Christian and a judgmental hater. Not a pretty combination.
  29. Svigor says:

    White historical sites will be replaced with white racialist digital preservations: “hey, white man. This is your history. These were your historical sites, until the Jews, wiggers, n!ggers, and the rest destroyed them. This is what separate countries are for.”

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  30. Veritatis says:
    @Veritatis
    [It was caught in the automatic third-party spam-filter, perhaps based on reports from other websites. It's now been unspammed and published.]

    Mr. Unz, I can't publish a longish comment in this column, though I just posted one sentence over at Sailer's. Now a pop-up says I'm duplicating comments. Can you help?

    Now that was fast. Thank you.

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  31. You know what’s really funny?

    White Independence Fighters are accused of ‘hate’.

    But the real reason why the Glob hates them so much is they won’t hate-by-command.

    Glob orders all white Americans to hate Russia. But White Independents won’t hate Russia.

    Glob orders all white Americans to hate Syria. But White Independents won’t hate Syria.

    Glob orders all white Americans to hate Iran. But White Independents won’t hate Iran.

    And etc.

    It’s like Muhammad Ali refusing to fight the Viet Cong. He said “Viet Cong didn’t call me no ni**er.”
    He saw no point in blacks fighting Vietnamese who had done NOTHING to black people.

    It is the disobedience of the White Independence Movement that infuriates the Glob and make it foam at the mouth like a rabid dog.

    White patriots won’t hate by command. They are not dogs on a leash.

    Indeed, why should White Independents hate Russia? Russians didn’t burn down US cities and kill cops? Why should White Independents hate Syria? Syrians didn’t force ‘gay marriage’ on America or spread degeneracy via pop culture? Why should White Independents hate Iran? Iranians didn’t tear down statues and monuments dear to white people. Iranians didn’t get white people addicted to Opiods. Iranians didn’t fleece Americans with the bubble economy.

    If you refuse to hate the nations and peoples hated by the Glob, you are called part of ‘hate group’.

    White Independents say “You will not make us hate YOUR enemy.”

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    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger

    White Independents say “You will not make us hate YOUR enemy.”
     
    A little late for that. We already hate all arabs, muslims, Chinese, Russians, South Americans - with a a few obvious exceptions. But, we love Israelis and Jews.
  32. Renoman says:

    I believe this is all just deep state propaganda funded by Soros and his like. The Jews are pissed and they won’t stop till Trump is gone. The whole thing is just racism in reverse, whitey’s not gonna take much more of this crap.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "I believe this is all just deep state propaganda funded by Soros and his like."

    I was thinking about a related idea today. Whenever blowback happens the media gloat about things like such and such leftwing group involved in the debacle got $100,000 in donations this week, or similar statements. What they don't mention (almost certainly intentionally) is how many donors that came from. Liberal ideology is unpopular as hell. Everyone (except naive 20 year olds, and PoC) know that the Emperor has No Clothes. Trump had huge rallies where the stadiums were overflowing so much many people couldn't even find a seat and stood or sat in aisles, Hillary couldn't fill a quarter of the seats in her rallies.

    The money comes almost certainly one of these Soros funded groups, a similar group or foreign entity, or a few uberwealthy who are coughing it up. But they leave that out, to intentionally try to give the false impression that there is a huge upswell of concern for the liberal cause from our fellow citizens.
    , @Kevin C.

    whitey’s not gonna take much more of this crap.
     
    Sure we will; we've been taking it for so long already, why change now? And besides, what would "not taking it anymore" even look like? Anything we do to "fight back", the Left will be able to counter and crush us. They have all the centers of power; they are insurmountably stronger; they have already won, and we've already lost.
  33. Svigor says:

    Priss Factor: yes, it’s all about those uppity Whites. If Whitey stays on the plantation, doesn’t read those uppity books, speak those uppity words; if Whitey knows his place, he’ll get along fine. But if Whitey starts talking about leaving the plantation, of having rights equal to those of the Jews, well, he’s going to need punishing.

    Uppity Whites; that’s all the altright are.

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  34. Svigor says:

    It’s particularly amusing that in that piece he justifies his condemnation of “white supremacists” to the outer darkness based upon supposed outrages committed by their supposed equivalents decades ago, in a nice parallel to those who condemn Christians and Christianity out of hand on the basis of all the past outrages committed by Christians.

    It’s a fine demonstration of rationality over-ridden by desperate emotional need.

    The entire Conservative establishment are Uncle Toms. They get more het up over Uppity Whites and Nationalism’s past sins than they do about the left murdering well over 100 million people in the 20th century.

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  35. KenH says:

    The destruction of confederate war memorials is no laughing matter. What’s at stake is whose version of history and whose monuments will grace the American landscape in the coming years. That’s still an open question but traditional Americans are currently losing unless they start defacing and destroying monuments to MLK and any other icons of the anti-white left.

    The fact that blacks claim confederate statues are hurtful and “a painful reminder of the past” is just proof that blacks and whites are inherently different and have jarring worldviews and opinions of America history that will forever prevent us from living together harmoniously unless at the point of a gun as we do today in “free” America. Unless we’re are granted the right to live apart then one side must lose and be destroyed to have any semblance of peace in this country.

    What the virtue signaling and pearl clutching cuckservatives don’t understand is that Nazism and white supremacism will continue to be defined downward until all white people are gone. Rod Dreher and Paul Ryan and too many more to mention probably scoff at the idea that antifa and the left will ever come for them. After all, they’re paying their dues, embracing white dispossession genocide and cucking on cue.

    But they don’t render the verdicts. The (((left))) does and once those pathetic girly men have outlived their usefulness they too will be deemed Nazis and white supremacists and receive two taps to the back of the skull by a (((commissar))). Or if they’re lucky they’ll just be stripped of their livelihood.

    The same fate will also befall the pasty faced antifags who aren’t Jews. History repeats and the Bolshevik revolution will consume its own in America just as they did in Soviet Russia.

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    • Replies: @Rurik

    Paul Ryan ... ...cucking on cue.
     
    he's got a primary challenger

    http://www.electnehlen.com/

    I've love to see Ryan get 'Eric Cantored'

    it would send a powerful message to the rest of the cucks

    please support Nehlen any way you can
  36. Flavius says:
    @Randal
    A particularly contemptible piece by Dreher, as much for its dishonest disloyalty to a colleague who ought to be shown more respect as for his own bedwetting hysteria about the supposed metaphysical evils of racism and therefore of Buchanan.

    Dreher thinks that in order to be respectable he has to condemn "racism", as loudly as possible, as some kind of magical evil, instead of accepting it for what it is - a collection of political, scientific and social ideas and opinions of varying degrees of usefulness and rationality. In order to do so he's quite prepared to twist his own faith out of all recognition.

    It's particularly amusing that in that piece he justifies his condemnation of "white supremacists" to the outer darkness based upon supposed outrages committed by their supposed equivalents decades ago, in a nice parallel to those who condemn Christians and Christianity out of hand on the basis of all the past outrages committed by Christians.

    It's a fine demonstration of rationality over-ridden by desperate emotional need.

    Indulging his feelings is what makes Dreher tick.
    I gave up on American Conservative a year or so into the Obama Administration when it was clear that the Washington bureaucracies were running Obama to the same pernicious ends, foreign ends absolutely and domestic ends in spades, as they had been running Bush; and the magazine had forgotten how to speak truth to power. I won’t speculate as to the motive.
    Dreher from the time he landed always provided a particularly reprehensible example of moralistic navel gazing, cringemaking actually, and Larison, once sharp, had drifted off into not much better. Now that it is Trump the mag seem to have recovered its mojo. Sorry, not for me.
    It is too bad because it had been a fine magazine before it decided to go all People Magazine and market itself to the mush minded: enter Dreher, stage left.

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  37. Never doubt. This revolution will turn and devour its own.

    I pray a long life for Gov. McAuliffe. He will live in interesting times if he lives long.

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    • Replies: @Kevin C.

    Never doubt. This revolution will turn and devour its own.
     
    Yes, but only after it's finished devouring us first.
  38. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @The Alarmist
    So, how long before Russia or China send manpads and small arms to the Alt-Right resistance?

    Frankly, I’d rather have Russkies here than the insane, metastasizing cancer liberal beast who are our fellow citizens in name only.

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  39. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Renoman
    I believe this is all just deep state propaganda funded by Soros and his like. The Jews are pissed and they won't stop till Trump is gone. The whole thing is just racism in reverse, whitey's not gonna take much more of this crap.

    “I believe this is all just deep state propaganda funded by Soros and his like.”

    I was thinking about a related idea today. Whenever blowback happens the media gloat about things like such and such leftwing group involved in the debacle got $100,000 in donations this week, or similar statements. What they don’t mention (almost certainly intentionally) is how many donors that came from. Liberal ideology is unpopular as hell. Everyone (except naive 20 year olds, and PoC) know that the Emperor has No Clothes. Trump had huge rallies where the stadiums were overflowing so much many people couldn’t even find a seat and stood or sat in aisles, Hillary couldn’t fill a quarter of the seats in her rallies.

    The money comes almost certainly one of these Soros funded groups, a similar group or foreign entity, or a few uberwealthy who are coughing it up. But they leave that out, to intentionally try to give the false impression that there is a huge upswell of concern for the liberal cause from our fellow citizens.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    wasn't the Netroots nation conference a few days before Charlottesville?

    Netroots spun off from (or is still part of ) Daily Kos, which was started by CIA trained Marcos Moulitsas.

    DKos has raised censorship, virtue signaling, and political correctness to a finely tuned art.
  40. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rurik
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/08/18/i-hope-trump-is-assassinated-a-missouri-lawmakers-facebook-comment-leads-to-calls-for-her-resignation/?utm_term=.b1c48233076a

    it's roiling

    it seems to be a question over whether or not white men have a right to assemble and protest for their rights too

    or that white men are congenital racists, evil and must never, ever be allowed to assemble and seek equal rights; as it would be = de facto Nazism/KKK/gas chambers/slavery and lynching. Which are what all the symbols of America's (racist, genocidal) heritage mean to all good people (minorities and cucks).

    I have to wonder how it must feel to be a WWII generation white American man (or Brit, etc..) and see what it looks like today in your countries after "winning" that war.

    “I have to wonder how it must feel to be a WWII generation white American man (or Brit, etc..) and see what it looks like today in your countries after “winning” that war.”

    People of that generation I’ve been around tend to say things nowadays like, “I’m glad I won’t be living much longer.”

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  41. @Randal
    A particularly contemptible piece by Dreher, as much for its dishonest disloyalty to a colleague who ought to be shown more respect as for his own bedwetting hysteria about the supposed metaphysical evils of racism and therefore of Buchanan.

    Dreher thinks that in order to be respectable he has to condemn "racism", as loudly as possible, as some kind of magical evil, instead of accepting it for what it is - a collection of political, scientific and social ideas and opinions of varying degrees of usefulness and rationality. In order to do so he's quite prepared to twist his own faith out of all recognition.

    It's particularly amusing that in that piece he justifies his condemnation of "white supremacists" to the outer darkness based upon supposed outrages committed by their supposed equivalents decades ago, in a nice parallel to those who condemn Christians and Christianity out of hand on the basis of all the past outrages committed by Christians.

    It's a fine demonstration of rationality over-ridden by desperate emotional need.

    I agree with your take on Dreher. I gave up on him since Trump. He is a devout Orthodox Christian and a judgmental hater. Not a pretty combination.

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    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    Dreher is not a serious person. He changes religions like most men change their underwear.
  42. @WorkingClass
    I agree with your take on Dreher. I gave up on him since Trump. He is a devout Orthodox Christian and a judgmental hater. Not a pretty combination.

    Dreher is not a serious person. He changes religions like most men change their underwear.

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  43. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Randal

    You forgot to mention John McCain, the leader and worst of them all.
     
    Well in fairness I'm a bit bored of pointing out McCain's many and profound flaws, and I hadn't noticed him chiming in on this latest issue.

    Will age and cancer not soon achieve what American Republicans ought to have managed decades ago, and get that warmongering blight out of US politics and world affairs, anyway?

    Actually, Senator McCain has indeed chimed in and voiced support for Antifa, shortly after Mitt Romney did.

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  44. Mount Rushmore-sized carvings of Lee, Jackson and Davis are on Stone Mountain, Georgia. Are they to be blasted off?

    Speaking of Rushmore, the carvings there are themselves a defacement of a sacred area otherwise known as “Paha Sepa,” and the fact that they are there is a huge insult to decency. There is no doubt that they should be blasted off forthwith, though I’mnot in favor of the current “clastic” craziness.

    In this Second American Civil War, whose side are you on?

    Actually, by the definition of “civil war” that’s being used here, it’s the third one. The first one was the Am Rev which was just as much a civil war as the war against Southern independence. Technically, though, the real civil wars were the ones against the Indians.

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  45. @Miro23

    In Durham, North Carolina, our Taliban smashed the statue of a Confederate soldier. Near the entrance of Duke University Chapel, a statue of Lee has been defaced, the nose broken off.
     
    In other words the US leftist cancer is about to metastasize with the hysterical talk turning to violence, so it's time to imagine the United States as Afghanistan under the Taliban.

    Would the US Taliban dynamite the statues of Lee, Jackson and Davis at Mount Rushmore? Yes they would, in fact they're frustrated that they can't do it right now.

    To my mind it's a question of the middle ground. If the majority of US citizens live in fear and collaborate then we get Afghanistan under the Taliban. If they can focus around "America First" then there may be a different outcome, but even here we get more polarization with hardened positions (friend or enemy) and a descent into a spiral of violence.

    There are similarities to outbreak of the Spanish Civil War in 1936. Spain quickly broke up into Republican and Nationalist regions and fought it out.

    Would the US Taliban dynamite the statues of Lee, Jackson and Davis at Mount Rushmore? Yes they would, in fact they’re frustrated that they can’t do it right now.

    Where on Mount Rushmore are they?

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    Probably talking about Stone Mountain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Mountain
  46. @Veritatis
    "In this Second American Civil War, whose side are you on?"

    I always appreciate Buchanan's question, they're helpful in thinking an issue through. Notice the kindling words absent from his writing: fascism, antifa, et al. Those are plentiful in other places, and I find that curious. How can the US be speaking about fascism, when it has never experienced the raised-arm salute on its soil? And related to the century-and-a-half old Civil War?!?

    In Europe, the process of nation pacification after Civil War was carried by unification through-reeducation. The recipe was damnatio memoriae. It is hard to imagine statues in Italy for the Bourbon/pontificial generals. Or for the Vendéens in post-revolutionary France. The more recent defeated fascist in Germany suffered the same fate. In Spain, fascist Franco did a good damnatio memoriae of the defeated leftist 'masonic cabal', now being reversed.

    The US provided a valuable example by remaining federalist, and letting each side honor their dead. Unity with richness of cultures, so to speak. I wonder whether the bellicose Westward expansion helped foster this "sense of unity", or whether it was something else, like the common Christian faith.

    Anyway, I'd like to read up on Lee, can anyone point me in the direction of a good biography?

    And a link to info about an LA agency that was recently recruiting actors for Charlotte. The site's italian, but photo's in english: http://www.maurizioblondet.it/abbattere-statue-uguale-ai-roghi-libri/

    What a civilized way to violent protest! In Mexico it's organized word of mouth. (And I hope I can post on the third try!!)

    How can the US be speaking about fascism, when it has never experienced the raised-arm salute on its soil?

    Look up the history of the Pledge of Allegiance, in particular the “Bellamy Salute.”

    Here’s start.:

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/22/opinion/greene-pledge-of-allegiance-salute/index.html

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    Interesting. Symbols and symbolic gestures are powerful in molding collective thought.
  47. Underking says:

    “Actually, Senator McCain has indeed chimed in and voiced support for Antifa, shortly after Mitt Romney did.”

    Good. Get it all out in the open. McCain is on the way out anyway. Might as well discredit himself and his compatriots while he’s at it. Don’t think for a moment that this guy is going to change any minds.

    “Never doubt. This revolution will turn and devour its own.”

    But not before they devour their enemy. Perhaps it would be wise to get out of their way via an independence movement.

    “Frankly, I’d rather have Russkies here than the insane, metastasizing cancer liberal beast who are our fellow citizens in name only.”

    You never know what the future could hold.

    “A particularly contemptible piece by Dreher, as much for its dishonest disloyalty to a colleague who ought to be shown more respect as for his own bedwetting hysteria about the supposed metaphysical evils of racism and therefore of Buchanan.”

    Remember the scene from Patton where George C. Scott berates a cowardly soldier? Rod Dreher is basically that soldier – a shameful, bed-wetting, self-hating coward. Dreher authored a Benedict Option advocating that conservatives basically hide under tables and not speak up to the left in the hopes that they might be left alone. Then comes Trump. He gets the power to speak back to authority and does nothing of the sort. During the presidential campaign, Dreher wrote endless blog posts, usually with derogatory images, denouncing one nothing burger Trump controversy after another…all while saying nary a word about Hillary. That should tell you all that you need to know about what kind of person he is. He certainly isn’t an ally. He may even be controlled opposition.

    “This is what separate countries are for.”

    Indeed.

    “The Daily Stormer wing of US dissidents is clearly incompatible with Russia’s historical and current problems with fascism and Nazism (both in WW2 and in the Ukraine, today), and wholly out of step with their own anti-racism ideology required to run a multinational state”

    True, but there is a wing that is at least tolerably compatible with Russia’s past and present: an explicitly Southern Secession movement. Unlike all other regions of the United States, this region considers itself ethnically distinct from other white Caucasians (you can see this on demographic maps where Americans are asked to describe their ethnicity – other Caucasians say “Irish” Italian” while Southerners say “American”).

    I imagine openly endorsing something like that might cause some trouble for them, especially considering their recent experiences with breakaways. But there are ways to give support without having it traced back to you or having to publicly endorse it. Considering the immense boon to Russian national security should parts of the US break off, it is almost unbelievable that no one there has thought of this or is willing to risk it.

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    Perhaps it would be wise to get out of their way via an independence movement.
     
    It'll never work. As Scalia said, that was forever "settled at Appomattox". The Supreme Court ruled in Texas v. White

    [The Union] was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "be perpetual." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union." It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?…

    …When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States.
     
    (Emphasis added).

    Peaceful separation is impossible, as it's been ruled illegal and forbidden for all time, and an attempt at forceful separation is likely to fare even worse than the previous one.

    “This is what separate countries are for.”

    Indeed.
     
    Which is why we will not be permitted to have them.
  48. IvyMike says:

    Yes but, when the people defending Confederate symbols are marching under Hitler’s flag what do you do? And the people opposed to the Nazis are Taliban? No, that’s just wrong. If you march under a Taliban or Isis flag in this country you get a trip to Gitmo. We need to extend that treatment to the Nazis and all their associates.

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  49. Anonym says:

    What has changed is America herself. She is not the same country. We have passed through a great social, cultural and moral revolution that has left us irretrievably divided on separate shores.

    We have also been through a demographic revolution. And that is the key as much as anything.

    The non-whites make up the coalition of the fringes who vote Democrat. Taxing and spending need not be a zero sum game, and it isn’t. In order to win votes, there must be wins for your side. Therefore, whites must be taxed, and the spending must be on non-whites.

    But non-whites by themselves are not enough to win elections. Whites of dubious loyalty must be pried off the white majority. Hence LGBTWTFBBQ, and single-white women, women with non-white children. The Democrats have given up on poor straight white men, by and large. But it is through this prying process that Democrats win elections, that and importing more non-white voters.

    The anti-whitism of the left, the statue removal etc. is a function of this. As Lee Kuan Yew once said, “In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.”

    Of course, the world does not stand still. The reaction is the emergence of the pro-white politics we are seeing today. As far as it being “odious”, well, if I’m going to fight on anyone’s side it’s going to be my own!

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  50. res says:
    @Veritatis
    "In this Second American Civil War, whose side are you on?"

    I always appreciate Buchanan's question, they're helpful in thinking an issue through. Notice the kindling words absent from his writing: fascism, antifa, et al. Those are plentiful in other places, and I find that curious. How can the US be speaking about fascism, when it has never experienced the raised-arm salute on its soil? And related to the century-and-a-half old Civil War?!?

    In Europe, the process of nation pacification after Civil War was carried by unification through-reeducation. The recipe was damnatio memoriae. It is hard to imagine statues in Italy for the Bourbon/pontificial generals. Or for the Vendéens in post-revolutionary France. The more recent defeated fascist in Germany suffered the same fate. In Spain, fascist Franco did a good damnatio memoriae of the defeated leftist 'masonic cabal', now being reversed.

    The US provided a valuable example by remaining federalist, and letting each side honor their dead. Unity with richness of cultures, so to speak. I wonder whether the bellicose Westward expansion helped foster this "sense of unity", or whether it was something else, like the common Christian faith.

    Anyway, I'd like to read up on Lee, can anyone point me in the direction of a good biography?

    And a link to info about an LA agency that was recently recruiting actors for Charlotte. The site's italian, but photo's in english: http://www.maurizioblondet.it/abbattere-statue-uguale-ai-roghi-libri/

    What a civilized way to violent protest! In Mexico it's organized word of mouth. (And I hope I can post on the third try!!)

    Anyway, I’d like to read up on Lee, can anyone point me in the direction of a good biography?

    1936 Pultizer Prize winner (2576 pages): https://www.amazon.com/R-Lee-Biography-Pulitzer-Prize/dp/B000GR3V2G

    Online: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/e/gazetteer/people/robert_e_lee/frerel/home.html

    An abridged version (656 pages): https://www.amazon.com/Lee-Douglas-Southall-Freeman/dp/0684829533

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    Thank you! And I appreciate the "abridged" option.
  51. res says:
    @jacques sheete

    Would the US Taliban dynamite the statues of Lee, Jackson and Davis at Mount Rushmore? Yes they would, in fact they’re frustrated that they can’t do it right now.
     
    Where on Mount Rushmore are they?

    Probably talking about Stone Mountain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Mountain

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  52. Kevin C. says:
    @bjondo
    Coming changes:

    Monticello will be converted into Ch-ville's main synagogue.
    Washington Monument will be renamed Elie Weasel Monument.
    Vietnam War Memorial will have names of the 58000 removed and replaced with names of Jews who have felt slighted somewhere, sometime. Will need many additional sections added.
    Lincoln and the Lincoln Memorial will be replaced by G. Soros and the Soros Memorial.
    Four racist heads on Mt Rushmore have to go. Replaced by Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Zakheim.

    Sorry Blacks, Browns, Trannies, Queeries, Retards, Actors. All of you were used.

    Pat, pack up and leave. Like the Palestinians, go somewhere else. You don't belong.

    Pat, pack up and leave. Like the Palestinians, go somewhere else. You don’t belong.

    Where is there left to go, that will take us in?

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  53. Kevin C. says:
    @Renoman
    I believe this is all just deep state propaganda funded by Soros and his like. The Jews are pissed and they won't stop till Trump is gone. The whole thing is just racism in reverse, whitey's not gonna take much more of this crap.

    whitey’s not gonna take much more of this crap.

    Sure we will; we’ve been taking it for so long already, why change now? And besides, what would “not taking it anymore” even look like? Anything we do to “fight back”, the Left will be able to counter and crush us. They have all the centers of power; they are insurmountably stronger; they have already won, and we’ve already lost.

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  54. Kevin C. says:
    @another fred
    Never doubt. This revolution will turn and devour its own.

    I pray a long life for Gov. McAuliffe. He will live in interesting times if he lives long.

    Never doubt. This revolution will turn and devour its own.

    Yes, but only after it’s finished devouring us first.

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  55. Kevin C. says:
    @Underking
    "Actually, Senator McCain has indeed chimed in and voiced support for Antifa, shortly after Mitt Romney did."

    Good. Get it all out in the open. McCain is on the way out anyway. Might as well discredit himself and his compatriots while he's at it. Don't think for a moment that this guy is going to change any minds.

    "Never doubt. This revolution will turn and devour its own."

    But not before they devour their enemy. Perhaps it would be wise to get out of their way via an independence movement.

    "Frankly, I’d rather have Russkies here than the insane, metastasizing cancer liberal beast who are our fellow citizens in name only."

    You never know what the future could hold.

    "A particularly contemptible piece by Dreher, as much for its dishonest disloyalty to a colleague who ought to be shown more respect as for his own bedwetting hysteria about the supposed metaphysical evils of racism and therefore of Buchanan."

    Remember the scene from Patton where George C. Scott berates a cowardly soldier? Rod Dreher is basically that soldier - a shameful, bed-wetting, self-hating coward. Dreher authored a Benedict Option advocating that conservatives basically hide under tables and not speak up to the left in the hopes that they might be left alone. Then comes Trump. He gets the power to speak back to authority and does nothing of the sort. During the presidential campaign, Dreher wrote endless blog posts, usually with derogatory images, denouncing one nothing burger Trump controversy after another...all while saying nary a word about Hillary. That should tell you all that you need to know about what kind of person he is. He certainly isn't an ally. He may even be controlled opposition.

    "This is what separate countries are for."

    Indeed.

    "The Daily Stormer wing of US dissidents is clearly incompatible with Russia’s historical and current problems with fascism and Nazism (both in WW2 and in the Ukraine, today), and wholly out of step with their own anti-racism ideology required to run a multinational state"

    True, but there is a wing that is at least tolerably compatible with Russia's past and present: an explicitly Southern Secession movement. Unlike all other regions of the United States, this region considers itself ethnically distinct from other white Caucasians (you can see this on demographic maps where Americans are asked to describe their ethnicity - other Caucasians say "Irish" Italian" while Southerners say "American").

    I imagine openly endorsing something like that might cause some trouble for them, especially considering their recent experiences with breakaways. But there are ways to give support without having it traced back to you or having to publicly endorse it. Considering the immense boon to Russian national security should parts of the US break off, it is almost unbelievable that no one there has thought of this or is willing to risk it.

    Perhaps it would be wise to get out of their way via an independence movement.

    It’ll never work. As Scalia said, that was forever “settled at Appomattox”. The Supreme Court ruled in Texas v. White

    [The Union] was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to “be perpetual.” And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained “to form a more perfect Union.” It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?…

    …When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States.

    (Emphasis added).

    Peaceful separation is impossible, as it’s been ruled illegal and forbidden for all time, and an attempt at forceful separation is likely to fare even worse than the previous one.

    “This is what separate countries are for.”

    Indeed.

    Which is why we will not be permitted to have them.

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    [The Union] was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to “be perpetual.” And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained “to form a more perfect Union.” It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity . . .
     
    o the irony

    Giovanni Gentile's manifesto of Fascism, which Mussolini and he struggled to make real, sought to create a definite form and character of an Italian nation, which had for centuries been fragmented and at odds, one city/region against the other; Gentile-Mussolini's Fascist goal was to for a "perpetual Union" . . . a "more perfect Union," an "indissoluble union" of all the Italian people on their own land.

    The very symbol, Fasces, represents Union.

    (In contrast, Robert E Lee supported and fought for the right of STATES to defend their individual sovereignty and not be forced to submit to a centralized authority.)

    Both Mussolini and Gentile were assassinated, allegedly by Communists, and/or partisans, but one should not ignore the fact that William Donovan's OSS propped up both groups.

    FDR and Churchill were engaged in a 'duel to the death' to control Italy and thereby the Mediterranean. In a meeting at Bernard Baruch's plantation in North Carolina, FDR instructed Gen. Mark Clark to ignore the planned joint campaign with the British to take Rome, but to jump the gun and march into Rome ahead of time and alone, which is what Clark did in June, 1944.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?322137-1/discussion-us-engagement-italy-world-war-ii

    Churchill was enraged, FDR was triumphant, Mussolini was dead man walking, and the vision of Italian sovereignty and Unity was brushed aside like scattered biscotti crumbs.

    [I hold no brief for Mussolini: my Mother lost her home and farm in Italy due directly to Mussolini. But that does not change the fact that the Doctrine of Fascism sought for Italians very much what the doctrine of the Union sought for the United States.

    The formal definition of antifa ought to be, Stuck on stupid.]

  56. Surely you understand that people of colour and leftists graciously wish to remove reminders that white people were once bad and did nasty things so that it can all be forgotten and sweetness and light will engulf the whole !and.

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  57. @Kevin C.

    Perhaps it would be wise to get out of their way via an independence movement.
     
    It'll never work. As Scalia said, that was forever "settled at Appomattox". The Supreme Court ruled in Texas v. White

    [The Union] was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "be perpetual." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union." It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?…

    …When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States.
     
    (Emphasis added).

    Peaceful separation is impossible, as it's been ruled illegal and forbidden for all time, and an attempt at forceful separation is likely to fare even worse than the previous one.

    “This is what separate countries are for.”

    Indeed.
     
    Which is why we will not be permitted to have them.

    [The Union] was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to “be perpetual.” And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained “to form a more perfect Union.” It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity . . .

    o the irony

    Giovanni Gentile’s manifesto of Fascism, which Mussolini and he struggled to make real, sought to create a definite form and character of an Italian nation, which had for centuries been fragmented and at odds, one city/region against the other; Gentile-Mussolini’s Fascist goal was to for a “perpetual Union” . . . a “more perfect Union,” an “indissoluble union” of all the Italian people on their own land.

    The very symbol, Fasces, represents Union.

    (In contrast, Robert E Lee supported and fought for the right of STATES to defend their individual sovereignty and not be forced to submit to a centralized authority.)

    Both Mussolini and Gentile were assassinated, allegedly by Communists, and/or partisans, but one should not ignore the fact that William Donovan’s OSS propped up both groups.

    FDR and Churchill were engaged in a ‘duel to the death’ to control Italy and thereby the Mediterranean. In a meeting at Bernard Baruch’s plantation in North Carolina, FDR instructed Gen. Mark Clark to ignore the planned joint campaign with the British to take Rome, but to jump the gun and march into Rome ahead of time and alone, which is what Clark did in June, 1944.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?322137-1/discussion-us-engagement-italy-world-war-ii

    Churchill was enraged, FDR was triumphant, Mussolini was dead man walking, and the vision of Italian sovereignty and Unity was brushed aside like scattered biscotti crumbs.

    [I hold no brief for Mussolini: my Mother lost her home and farm in Italy due directly to Mussolini. But that does not change the fact that the Doctrine of Fascism sought for Italians very much what the doctrine of the Union sought for the United States.

    The formal definition of antifa ought to be, Stuck on stupid.]

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  58. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    McCain’s been the worst traitor of the US since Benedict Arnold and for much the same reason, EGO! Except McCain was a lousy naval aviator, held in place only by his heritage,while Arnold was perhaps second only to Washington, as brilliant military commander and leader.

    Think me cruel, but I wish McCain a quick, yet very painful demise with his cancer!

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  59. Miro23 says:
    @Veritatis
    "There are similarities to outbreak of the Spanish Civil War in 1936. Spain quickly broke up into Republican and Nationalist regions and fought it out."

    Interesting, I tend to agree. What similarities were you considering?

    “There are similarities to outbreak of the Spanish Civil War in 1936. Spain quickly broke up into Republican and Nationalist regions and fought it out.”

    This story went back some way.

    The radical Spanish left found the Bolshevik takeover of Russia 1917 inspirational and wanted to do the same in Spain. Their first attempt at a General Strike (1917) failed but the political violence continued with three attempts on the life of King Alfonso XIII and several hundred people murdered between 1919 and 1923.

    King Alfonso abdicated, and two days later on April 14th 1931 a Democratic Republic was proclaimed with the violence continuing and organized mobs of mainly anarchists and Republican left extremists burning more than a hundred churches and other religious buildings in Madrid and other cities.

    The more revolutionary sector led by Largo Caballero came to dominate the government and rejected association with “bourgeois parties” with Luis Araquistain a theorist of revolutionary socialism proclaiming their complete “bolchevización” – “Bolchevisation” adhering to the same policy of violent revolution as the Communists.

    On 25th March 1936 the Spanish farm worker syndicate the FNTT initiated a lawless mass occupation of land in Badajoz province with around 60.000 people seizing property. The government at first tried to intervene but soon gave up and legalized the seizure with the Communist press praising the whole thing.

    Leftist provinces named revolutionary militants as auxiliary police. As the new governor of Oviedo Province said, “I have appointed Popular Front delegates (political militants appointed as auxiliary police) throughout Asturias, who have been carrying out anti-fascist sweeps with good results: They have jailed priests, doctors, municipal secretaries, and whomever else it may be.”

    Historian Stanley Payne, summed up the situation prior to the murder of rightist parliamentarian Calvo-Sotelo by a leftist hit squad and Franco’s subsequent 18th July 1936 revolt of military officers in Spanish Morocco:

    “…. Even though the authority of this government steadily declined, it would remain the key actor for the next five months, with responsibility for guiding the country and avoiding breakdown or civil war. It failed to meet these responsibilities because its priorities were, first, to maintain an exclusively all leftist government that rejected any compromise with the centre or moderate right, and second, to avoid any break with the revolutionaries, because their support was necessary to remain in power . The Republic’s first historian, the noted Catalan journalist Josep Pla, termed this strategy Azana’s “ideological Kerenskyism” referring to the Russian prime minister who also fell to the Bolsheviks.”

    Franco broadcast a message for all army officers to join the uprising and overthrow Spain’s leftist Republican government. Three days later he had captured Morocco and gained the support of much of Northern Spain and key cities in the South, although not Madrid, Barcelona or the Mediterranean and the revolt failed in the navy. Both sides started to attack their political opponents.

    The point seems to be that the government was not ready to compromise with traditional Spain and turned a blind eye to leftist violence, to such an extent that much of Spain outside the big cities was ready to abandon parliament and support Franco.

    Source: Stanley Payne’s even handed account in the Cambridge Essential Histories series “The Spanish Civil War” https://www.amazon.com/Spanish-Civil-Cambridge-Essential-Histories/dp/0521174708/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1503251108&sr=8-3&keywords=spanish+civil+war%2C+payne

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    Bravo for the learned answer!

    "The point seems to be that the government was not ready to compromise with traditional Spain and turned a blind eye to leftist violence, to such an extent that much of Spain outside the big cities was ready to abandon parliament and support Franco."

    Good points. I hope Trump does not follow in the footsteps of Alfonso XIII. I also agree with with the ideological component, which seems to be the best explanation of the animus behind orchestrated (and permitted) violence. No expert, but I have seen the photos of the impressive columns of smoke in Madrid from the burning convents at the very start of the war, and the government did not intervene. Also present were the different warring leftist factions (I once read they even had different clubs/lodges to represent the ever more-to-the-left agendas), and I guess Azaña, for example, would qualify as Deep State, with informal networks of control in parliament and police/military forces. In that sense also an elite concentrated in major cities, think tanks, etc.

    One difference I see (apart from doubts about a conservative Franco figure in the US) is that Trump (or any traditional/rightist leader) has the language of public discourse against him. He cannot name his enemies ("fake news" and "deep state" is insufficient and unclear), and his ennemies can and do brand him. (racist, sexist...). In spanish there's the concept of "el pensamiento único" which is useful, but I have not seen its english equivalent, loosely "the one (allowed) thought". Perhaps manufactured consent? Also, the US right is fragmented, with loonies included, and does not seem to find a strong core.

    Anyway, thanks for throwing in the book recommendation.
  60. @Veritatis
    "In this Second American Civil War, whose side are you on?"

    I always appreciate Buchanan's question, they're helpful in thinking an issue through. Notice the kindling words absent from his writing: fascism, antifa, et al. Those are plentiful in other places, and I find that curious. How can the US be speaking about fascism, when it has never experienced the raised-arm salute on its soil? And related to the century-and-a-half old Civil War?!?

    In Europe, the process of nation pacification after Civil War was carried by unification through-reeducation. The recipe was damnatio memoriae. It is hard to imagine statues in Italy for the Bourbon/pontificial generals. Or for the Vendéens in post-revolutionary France. The more recent defeated fascist in Germany suffered the same fate. In Spain, fascist Franco did a good damnatio memoriae of the defeated leftist 'masonic cabal', now being reversed.

    The US provided a valuable example by remaining federalist, and letting each side honor their dead. Unity with richness of cultures, so to speak. I wonder whether the bellicose Westward expansion helped foster this "sense of unity", or whether it was something else, like the common Christian faith.

    Anyway, I'd like to read up on Lee, can anyone point me in the direction of a good biography?

    And a link to info about an LA agency that was recently recruiting actors for Charlotte. The site's italian, but photo's in english: http://www.maurizioblondet.it/abbattere-statue-uguale-ai-roghi-libri/

    What a civilized way to violent protest! In Mexico it's organized word of mouth. (And I hope I can post on the third try!!)

    Perhaps Pat Lang’s SST “Lee Thumbnail” a day or so back belongs in the reading:

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/08/the-marble-man-and-his-wifes-slaves.html

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  61. @Priss Factor
    You know what's really funny?

    White Independence Fighters are accused of 'hate'.

    But the real reason why the Glob hates them so much is they won't hate-by-command.

    Glob orders all white Americans to hate Russia. But White Independents won't hate Russia.

    Glob orders all white Americans to hate Syria. But White Independents won't hate Syria.

    Glob orders all white Americans to hate Iran. But White Independents won't hate Iran.

    And etc.

    It's like Muhammad Ali refusing to fight the Viet Cong. He said "Viet Cong didn't call me no ni**er."
    He saw no point in blacks fighting Vietnamese who had done NOTHING to black people.

    It is the disobedience of the White Independence Movement that infuriates the Glob and make it foam at the mouth like a rabid dog.

    White patriots won't hate by command. They are not dogs on a leash.

    Indeed, why should White Independents hate Russia? Russians didn't burn down US cities and kill cops? Why should White Independents hate Syria? Syrians didn't force 'gay marriage' on America or spread degeneracy via pop culture? Why should White Independents hate Iran? Iranians didn't tear down statues and monuments dear to white people. Iranians didn't get white people addicted to Opiods. Iranians didn't fleece Americans with the bubble economy.

    If you refuse to hate the nations and peoples hated by the Glob, you are called part of 'hate group'.

    White Independents say "You will not make us hate YOUR enemy."

    White Independents say “You will not make us hate YOUR enemy.”

    A little late for that. We already hate all arabs, muslims, Chinese, Russians, South Americans – with a a few obvious exceptions. But, we love Israelis and Jews.

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  62. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    "I believe this is all just deep state propaganda funded by Soros and his like."

    I was thinking about a related idea today. Whenever blowback happens the media gloat about things like such and such leftwing group involved in the debacle got $100,000 in donations this week, or similar statements. What they don't mention (almost certainly intentionally) is how many donors that came from. Liberal ideology is unpopular as hell. Everyone (except naive 20 year olds, and PoC) know that the Emperor has No Clothes. Trump had huge rallies where the stadiums were overflowing so much many people couldn't even find a seat and stood or sat in aisles, Hillary couldn't fill a quarter of the seats in her rallies.

    The money comes almost certainly one of these Soros funded groups, a similar group or foreign entity, or a few uberwealthy who are coughing it up. But they leave that out, to intentionally try to give the false impression that there is a huge upswell of concern for the liberal cause from our fellow citizens.

    wasn’t the Netroots nation conference a few days before Charlottesville?

    Netroots spun off from (or is still part of ) Daily Kos, which was started by CIA trained Marcos Moulitsas.

    DKos has raised censorship, virtue signaling, and political correctness to a finely tuned art.

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  63. It’s no wonder some impetuous young people want to go “full Nazi”. The accomodationist GOP and “conservatism” has been an abject failure, obviously. Was it just poor leadership? Or the ideas themselves were no match for Leftism?

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  64. Veritatis says:
    @res

    Anyway, I’d like to read up on Lee, can anyone point me in the direction of a good biography?
     
    1936 Pultizer Prize winner (2576 pages): https://www.amazon.com/R-Lee-Biography-Pulitzer-Prize/dp/B000GR3V2G

    Online: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/e/gazetteer/people/robert_e_lee/frerel/home.html

    An abridged version (656 pages): https://www.amazon.com/Lee-Douglas-Southall-Freeman/dp/0684829533

    Thank you! And I appreciate the “abridged” option.

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  65. Veritatis says:
    @Hood Canal Gardner
    Perhaps Pat Lang's SST "Lee Thumbnail" a day or so back belongs in the reading:

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/08/the-marble-man-and-his-wifes-slaves.html

    Thank you. I appreciate this kind of detail.

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  66. Veritatis says:
    @Miro23

    “There are similarities to outbreak of the Spanish Civil War in 1936. Spain quickly broke up into Republican and Nationalist regions and fought it out.”
     
    This story went back some way.

    The radical Spanish left found the Bolshevik takeover of Russia 1917 inspirational and wanted to do the same in Spain. Their first attempt at a General Strike (1917) failed but the political violence continued with three attempts on the life of King Alfonso XIII and several hundred people murdered between 1919 and 1923.

    King Alfonso abdicated, and two days later on April 14th 1931 a Democratic Republic was proclaimed with the violence continuing and organized mobs of mainly anarchists and Republican left extremists burning more than a hundred churches and other religious buildings in Madrid and other cities.

    The more revolutionary sector led by Largo Caballero came to dominate the government and rejected association with "bourgeois parties" with Luis Araquistain a theorist of revolutionary socialism proclaiming their complete "bolchevización" - "Bolchevisation" adhering to the same policy of violent revolution as the Communists.

    On 25th March 1936 the Spanish farm worker syndicate the FNTT initiated a lawless mass occupation of land in Badajoz province with around 60.000 people seizing property. The government at first tried to intervene but soon gave up and legalized the seizure with the Communist press praising the whole thing.

    Leftist provinces named revolutionary militants as auxiliary police. As the new governor of Oviedo Province said, "I have appointed Popular Front delegates (political militants appointed as auxiliary police) throughout Asturias, who have been carrying out anti-fascist sweeps with good results: They have jailed priests, doctors, municipal secretaries, and whomever else it may be."

    Historian Stanley Payne, summed up the situation prior to the murder of rightist parliamentarian Calvo-Sotelo by a leftist hit squad and Franco's subsequent 18th July 1936 revolt of military officers in Spanish Morocco:

    ".... Even though the authority of this government steadily declined, it would remain the key actor for the next five months, with responsibility for guiding the country and avoiding breakdown or civil war. It failed to meet these responsibilities because its priorities were, first, to maintain an exclusively all leftist government that rejected any compromise with the centre or moderate right, and second, to avoid any break with the revolutionaries, because their support was necessary to remain in power . The Republic's first historian, the noted Catalan journalist Josep Pla, termed this strategy Azana's "ideological Kerenskyism" referring to the Russian prime minister who also fell to the Bolsheviks."

    Franco broadcast a message for all army officers to join the uprising and overthrow Spain's leftist Republican government. Three days later he had captured Morocco and gained the support of much of Northern Spain and key cities in the South, although not Madrid, Barcelona or the Mediterranean and the revolt failed in the navy. Both sides started to attack their political opponents.

    The point seems to be that the government was not ready to compromise with traditional Spain and turned a blind eye to leftist violence, to such an extent that much of Spain outside the big cities was ready to abandon parliament and support Franco.

    Source: Stanley Payne's even handed account in the Cambridge Essential Histories series "The Spanish Civil War" https://www.amazon.com/Spanish-Civil-Cambridge-Essential-Histories/dp/0521174708/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1503251108&sr=8-3&keywords=spanish+civil+war%2C+payne

    Bravo for the learned answer!

    “The point seems to be that the government was not ready to compromise with traditional Spain and turned a blind eye to leftist violence, to such an extent that much of Spain outside the big cities was ready to abandon parliament and support Franco.”

    Good points. I hope Trump does not follow in the footsteps of Alfonso XIII. I also agree with with the ideological component, which seems to be the best explanation of the animus behind orchestrated (and permitted) violence. No expert, but I have seen the photos of the impressive columns of smoke in Madrid from the burning convents at the very start of the war, and the government did not intervene. Also present were the different warring leftist factions (I once read they even had different clubs/lodges to represent the ever more-to-the-left agendas), and I guess Azaña, for example, would qualify as Deep State, with informal networks of control in parliament and police/military forces. In that sense also an elite concentrated in major cities, think tanks, etc.

    One difference I see (apart from doubts about a conservative Franco figure in the US) is that Trump (or any traditional/rightist leader) has the language of public discourse against him. He cannot name his enemies (“fake news” and “deep state” is insufficient and unclear), and his ennemies can and do brand him. (racist, sexist…). In spanish there’s the concept of “el pensamiento único” which is useful, but I have not seen its english equivalent, loosely “the one (allowed) thought”. Perhaps manufactured consent? Also, the US right is fragmented, with loonies included, and does not seem to find a strong core.

    Anyway, thanks for throwing in the book recommendation.

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    One difference I see (apart from doubts about a conservative Franco figure in the US) is that Trump (or any traditional/rightist leader) has the language of public discourse against him. He cannot name his enemies (“fake news” and “deep state” is insufficient and unclear), and his enemies can and do brand him. (racist, sexist…).
     
    The Bolsheviks developed a whole lexicon of phrases "enemies of the people", "exploiters", "class enemy" etc. that the hard Spanish left pretty much borrowed and used to justify their violence. The updated version is "racist", "homophobe", "sexist", "fascist", "Nazi", "white supremacist" etc.

    The whole anarchic circus turned off traditional Spain, in the same way that the SJW/Antifa circus has turned off Middle America, but the key point seems to be the violence. Franco was in no way a natural revolutionary and held off for the longest time, hoping that the government would act legally and fulfill its obligations.

    It never happened of course, with the revolt being a reaction to out of control leftist attacks (reaching top level traditionalist figures like Calvo-Sotelo). After Calvo-Sotelo's murder Franco reluctantly took the gamble and half of Spain was ready to follow him rather than the government - and apparently the left was rather surprised as they weren't expecting organized resistance.

    From a Spanish historical point of view, Trumps mistake after his election was that he didn't develop his bond with traditional America and embed himself with the people who voted for him. This quickly made him politically irrelevant and was a strange move on his part.

  67. @Randal

    Who hates the statues, Terry? Who’s going to cause the violence? Answer: The Democratic left whom Terry must now appease.
     
    Where is the real "hatred" in our societies today?

    It is in the Taliban-like statue-hating, political correctness-enforcing zealots of the left.

    It is in the people who think that "protesting" means gathering as a violent, aggressive mob to try to shout down, bully and silence their political rivals.

    It is in the people whose response to hearing an opinion they disapprove of is to try to hound the person expressing it out of his job and his livelihood, and in many cases to seek actual violence against him. Whose instinct is to try to use the law to silence opinions they hate, if they can achieve it.

    It is in the people who cynically whip up political support by telling their identity group vote fodder to obsess over long past grievances instead of taking responsibility for their own group's problems.

    It is in the people who think they have the right to declare other people's political opinions evil and suppress them by force and by law.

    It is in the people who think that the healthy way to address a decades or even centuries old historical grievance is to nurse it and obsess over it, and to try to punish the descendants of those supposedly responsible for it.

    Today, hatred is in Black Lives Matter, and in "antifa", and in all their fellow travellers on the left who justify and protect them.

    Choose a side indeed - the side of hatred and of censorship, or the side of national solidarity, liberty and decency.

    In the US it's obvious that the former is the left and the Democrats, which leaves the Republicans to represent the latter. But clearly the Republican Party is failing to do its job in that regard when so many of its top elected representatives kowtow to the hate-filled violent left and its shibboleths about racial and sexual hatred. Men like the Bushes, Rubio, Graham and Kasich can be relied upon to betray any attempt to resist the hate-filled left.

    Until we show that we can organize and not constantly infight while being divided and conquered, our fate is to be destroyed.

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  68. Veritatis says:
    @jacques sheete

    How can the US be speaking about fascism, when it has never experienced the raised-arm salute on its soil?
     
    Look up the history of the Pledge of Allegiance, in particular the "Bellamy Salute."

    Here's start.:

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/22/opinion/greene-pledge-of-allegiance-salute/index.html

    Interesting. Symbols and symbolic gestures are powerful in molding collective thought.

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  69. Miro23 says:
    @Veritatis
    Bravo for the learned answer!

    "The point seems to be that the government was not ready to compromise with traditional Spain and turned a blind eye to leftist violence, to such an extent that much of Spain outside the big cities was ready to abandon parliament and support Franco."

    Good points. I hope Trump does not follow in the footsteps of Alfonso XIII. I also agree with with the ideological component, which seems to be the best explanation of the animus behind orchestrated (and permitted) violence. No expert, but I have seen the photos of the impressive columns of smoke in Madrid from the burning convents at the very start of the war, and the government did not intervene. Also present were the different warring leftist factions (I once read they even had different clubs/lodges to represent the ever more-to-the-left agendas), and I guess Azaña, for example, would qualify as Deep State, with informal networks of control in parliament and police/military forces. In that sense also an elite concentrated in major cities, think tanks, etc.

    One difference I see (apart from doubts about a conservative Franco figure in the US) is that Trump (or any traditional/rightist leader) has the language of public discourse against him. He cannot name his enemies ("fake news" and "deep state" is insufficient and unclear), and his ennemies can and do brand him. (racist, sexist...). In spanish there's the concept of "el pensamiento único" which is useful, but I have not seen its english equivalent, loosely "the one (allowed) thought". Perhaps manufactured consent? Also, the US right is fragmented, with loonies included, and does not seem to find a strong core.

    Anyway, thanks for throwing in the book recommendation.

    One difference I see (apart from doubts about a conservative Franco figure in the US) is that Trump (or any traditional/rightist leader) has the language of public discourse against him. He cannot name his enemies (“fake news” and “deep state” is insufficient and unclear), and his enemies can and do brand him. (racist, sexist…).

    The Bolsheviks developed a whole lexicon of phrases “enemies of the people”, “exploiters”, “class enemy” etc. that the hard Spanish left pretty much borrowed and used to justify their violence. The updated version is “racist”, “homophobe”, “sexist”, “fascist”, “Nazi”, “white supremacist” etc.

    The whole anarchic circus turned off traditional Spain, in the same way that the SJW/Antifa circus has turned off Middle America, but the key point seems to be the violence. Franco was in no way a natural revolutionary and held off for the longest time, hoping that the government would act legally and fulfill its obligations.

    It never happened of course, with the revolt being a reaction to out of control leftist attacks (reaching top level traditionalist figures like Calvo-Sotelo). After Calvo-Sotelo’s murder Franco reluctantly took the gamble and half of Spain was ready to follow him rather than the government – and apparently the left was rather surprised as they weren’t expecting organized resistance.

    From a Spanish historical point of view, Trumps mistake after his election was that he didn’t develop his bond with traditional America and embed himself with the people who voted for him. This quickly made him politically irrelevant and was a strange move on his part.

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  70. Rurik says:
    @KenH
    The destruction of confederate war memorials is no laughing matter. What's at stake is whose version of history and whose monuments will grace the American landscape in the coming years. That's still an open question but traditional Americans are currently losing unless they start defacing and destroying monuments to MLK and any other icons of the anti-white left.

    The fact that blacks claim confederate statues are hurtful and "a painful reminder of the past" is just proof that blacks and whites are inherently different and have jarring worldviews and opinions of America history that will forever prevent us from living together harmoniously unless at the point of a gun as we do today in "free" America. Unless we're are granted the right to live apart then one side must lose and be destroyed to have any semblance of peace in this country.

    What the virtue signaling and pearl clutching cuckservatives don't understand is that Nazism and white supremacism will continue to be defined downward until all white people are gone. Rod Dreher and Paul Ryan and too many more to mention probably scoff at the idea that antifa and the left will ever come for them. After all, they're paying their dues, embracing white dispossession genocide and cucking on cue.

    But they don't render the verdicts. The (((left))) does and once those pathetic girly men have outlived their usefulness they too will be deemed Nazis and white supremacists and receive two taps to the back of the skull by a (((commissar))). Or if they're lucky they'll just be stripped of their livelihood.

    The same fate will also befall the pasty faced antifags who aren't Jews. History repeats and the Bolshevik revolution will consume its own in America just as they did in Soviet Russia.

    Paul Ryan … …cucking on cue.

    he’s got a primary challenger

    http://www.electnehlen.com/

    I’ve love to see Ryan get ‘Eric Cantored’

    it would send a powerful message to the rest of the cucks

    please support Nehlen any way you can

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    I’d love to see Ryan get ‘Eric Cantored’
     
    The States could "Cantor" many more Congressmen. Look at their voting records and check them against "America First".
  71. Miro23 says:
    @Rurik

    Paul Ryan ... ...cucking on cue.
     
    he's got a primary challenger

    http://www.electnehlen.com/

    I've love to see Ryan get 'Eric Cantored'

    it would send a powerful message to the rest of the cucks

    please support Nehlen any way you can

    I’d love to see Ryan get ‘Eric Cantored’

    The States could “Cantor” many more Congressmen. Look at their voting records and check them against “America First”.

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