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During an Iowa town hall last week, “Beto” O’Rourke, who had pledged to raise the level of national discourse, depicted President Donald Trump’s rhetoric as right out of Nazi Germany.

Trump “describes immigrants as ‘rapists’ and ‘criminals'” and as “‘animals’ and ‘an infestation,'” said Beto.

“Now, I might expect someone to describe another human being as ‘an infestation’ in the Third Reich. I would not expect it in the United States of America.” The crowd lustily cheered the analogy.

By week’s end, Beto’s Third Reich comparison had been matched in nastiness by Bernie Sanders’ description of the president to the cheering activists of Al Sharpton’s National Action Network:

“It gives me no pleasure to say this but today we have a president who is a racist, sexist, a homophobe, a xenophobe and a religious bigot.”

Sanders managed to appeal to almost all elements of the Democrats’ coalition by accusing Trump of hating blacks, women, gays, foreigners and Muslims.

Sanders’ outline of Trump calls to mind Hillary Clinton’s now-famous attack on the white working-class folks who would give Trump his victory:

“(Y)ou could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables … racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it … he has lifted them up.”

Where Hillary’s slander of the Donald’s MAGA constituents as a thoroughly rotten crowd of Americans came two months before the 2016 election, Bernie’s assault on Trump’s character comes fully 20 months before the 2020 election.

If this is the level of discourse from Beto and Bernie, two of the leading candidates for the nomination, two years from Election Day, 2020 looks to be one of the ugliest campaigns in American history.

And what does it say about democracy if this is the character of politics at the highest level in the world’s leading democracy?

When such language is deployed without admonition from the major media, what does that say about the sincerity of the media’s calls to unite and heal the country?

And if Democratic leaders are openly massaging the hatreds of the party base with such slanders, what does it tell us about those leaders?

If they believe such charges — “It is the truth and we need to confront that,” said Sanders — why do Democrats not impeach and remove such a ogre? Why has Nancy Pelosi ruled that out?

At the end of a week where he withdrew his nominee to head Immigration and Customs Enforcement and saw the departure of his Secretary of Homeland Security, Trump, referring to the 175,000 migrants apprehended crossing the U.S. border in February and March, protested repeatedly, “Our country is full.”

Echoes of Hitler’s Germany, said The Washington Post:

“Adolf Hitler promised ‘living space’ for Germans as the basis of an expansionist project, which historians said distinguishes the Third Reich from today’s xenophobic governments. Still, experts found parallels.

“‘The echoes do indeed remind one of the Nazi period, unfortunately,’ John Connelly, a historian of modern Europe at the University of California at Berkeley, said in an interview with The Washington Post.

“‘The exact phrasing may be different, but the spirit is very similar. The concern about an ethnic, national people not having proper space — this is something you could definitely describe as parallel to the 1930s.’

“The president’s words became even more freighted when he repeated them on Saturday before the Republican Jewish coalition in Las Vegas, saying, ‘Our country is full, can’t come. I’m sorry.'”

Trump’s actions and words last week do seem to portend tougher action on illegal immigration, but one need not look to Nazi Germany for precedents. They may be found in our own history.

The 1924 immigration act restricted legal immigration into the U.S. and imposed ethnic quotas. That was American, not Nazi, law and was enforced by Presidents Coolidge, Hoover, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy.

Eisenhower, who led the Allies to victory over Germany, sent Gen. Joseph Swing to the U.S. border to remove a million people who had entered Texas illegally from Mexico, which the general proceeded to do.

Ike had crushed fascism and understood that securing the homeland against illegal mass migration is fascism only in the minds of those who have forgotten, if ever they knew, what a country is.

From his words and actions, Trump clearly senses that this may be the existential issue of his presidency: Can he secure the border against what seems to be an unstoppable invasion from the global south?

ORDER IT NOW

Nor is this only an American issue. In the capitals of Europe — Budapest, Berlin, Paris, Rome, London, Madrid — the gnawing fear is not of Vladimir Putin leading a mighty Russian army back to the Elbe to recreate Stalin’s empire, but of the African and Muslim hundreds of millions looking hungrily north to the pleasant lands of the former mother countries.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

Copyright 2019 Creators.com.

 
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  1. turtle says:

    Bernie, Bernie, Bernie.
    You forgot to say “anti-Semite.”
    Tsk, tsk.

    The exact phrasing may be different, but the spirit is very similar

    As in, when Pompous-ass-eo (America’s answer to Hermann Goering) and “Bonkers” Bolton (America’s answer to absolutely nothing) attempt to dictate foreign and even domestic policy to sovereign nations around the world.

    ‘Our country is full, can’t come. I’m sorry.’

    Is one hell of a lot different from saying, “Ya’ll will have to leave now,” which of course The Chump would never say to his Jewish “base,” because he needs their money to fund his next campaign. It really is “all about the Benjamins.” Best government money can buy.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  2. KenH says:

    Still, experts found parallels.

    Drawing parallels between Republicans and Hitler and Nazi Germany always draws oohs and aahs from the bird brained ignoramuses of the hate filled Democratic base. We all know that Jews are creating all Democrat and leftist talking points and for supposedly being so smart they are the biggest one trick ponies I’ve ever seen. Everything is Nazis, holocaust, gas chambers, Auschwitz, Hitler, Goebbels, holocaust, Nazi like, etc. Wash, rinse, repeat.

    I don’t see how Trump is Hitler incarnate when he’s the most philo-semitic president ever to occupy the oval office and regularly prostrates himself before the Jewish people and Israel. Those are the facts.

    His Svengali is his Jewish son-in-law. And if that wasn’t enough he signed on to let thousands of black felons out of prison early and wants to bring third world immigrants “in the largest numbers ever”. In 2018 he fumed that one of the budget bills didn’t grant permanency to DACA recipients whom he vowed to deport on the campaign trail.

    Trump isn’t exactly ripping pages right of out of Mein Kampf.

    • Replies: @Backwoods Bob
    , @Bill Jones
  3. MB says: • Website

    “Trump isn’t exactly ripping pages right of out of Mein Kampf.”

    It makes no difference, the struggle/self criticism session must continue regardless if DT cooperates or not. The Revolution must go on and it will, even if it means leaving reality and the Donald behind in the dust.

    (Maybe) Later people will look back and say like they did for the French, Russian, German and Chinese versions, “What were they thinking?”
    And just as obviously the answer will be, ” they weren’t”.

    It’s all about the passions which define the true natural man, if not the truth incarnate.

    Both you and I know,
    That whitey has got to go.
    The world is a ghetto.

    War, 1972.

  4. Ruprecht says:

    This can only end in civil war. This kind of grandstanding exists only to marginalize and dehumanize a target group, in this case the so-called “deplorables”. The comfortable white liberals sitting in their living rooms, sipping wine, and munching organic kale chips can’t get enough of the joy this kind of hate and rhetoric brings.

    See here:

    https://theredfootedbooby.com/2019/03/27/to-be-a-bully-you-must-first-become-a-victim-welcome-to-the-age-of-political-correctness/

    Having midwifed this civil war, one can only wonder how many white liberals will actually volunteer to fight it. Or, like the ruling class they are, will they leave that to the very deplorable they detest?

  5. @Ruprecht

    redfootedbooby is a booby.

    What this virtue-signaling paragraph reflected is his ignorance:

    It simply takes on new forms, and can become more or less prevalent; more, as when anti-Jewish feelings erupted in Germany after that country lost the First World War. This is an interesting example, because relative to many other countries in Europe, Germany was not particularly anti-Semitic prior to WWI. Of course, most Germans also believed then, and not without reason, that their country was among the powerful elite at that time, too. After a crushing, humiliating defeat and its aftermath it was predictable that Germans would seek out a weaker adversary and show that they can still kick some ass.

    No, booby, Germans did not “seek out a weaker adversary and show that they can still kick some ass,” they reacted to a gross injustice, involving not least the death-by-starvation of 800,000 of their wives, mothers, daughters and elderly on the Homefront, a starvation blockade that they were well aware had been implemented and extended with the connivance of Jewish zionists, who traded the lives of German citizens for “a Jewish homeland in Palestine.”

    https://mises-media.s3.amazonaws.com/RAE3_1_20.pdf

    Moreover, if you take the trouble to track who did what to whom, when and why, you will discover that at the same time that the German people were dealing with a starved, demoralized and financially strained nation in the throes of a revolution; orphans and homeless disabled veterans living on the streets; added to which Polish and Russian Jews by the hundreds of thousands fled from their chaotic countries where Bolsheviks — believed to be synonymous with Jews– were starving the Russian people to death, to the comparative security of Germany, while Trotsky’s henchmen, Zinoviev and Khamanev, undertook to bring Communism to Germany by means of street riots and subversion — THAT was the situation Germans confronted.

    Perhaps the booby is an American living in a gated community where the gravest challenge he’s confronted is the inability to buy wine in grocery stores. USA has not experienced war the way USA has delivered war. Pray god you never have to experience what the Germans, the French, the Poles, the Russians, the Italians, and states of also-defeated Ottoman Empire experienced during and after World War I.

    At very least, attempt to get your facts straight before shooting off your self-righteous mouth.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @dfordoom
  6. The day before the 2020 election:
    Dems are still trying to impeach Trump.

    Election day 2020:
    Trump wins second term.

    The day after the 2020 election:
    Dems are still trying to impeach Trump.

  7. @Ruprecht

    This can only end in civil war.

    Yes, you’re right. Recently I’ve been realizing how pointless it is to “reason” or “logic” with these white liberals. They are not capable of rational thought. All they want is to destroy the white working class, Christians, and white conservatives. So, where does that leave us? What happens when it isn’t possible to use language as discourse? We all know the answer.

    White liberals are *very* vulnerable. They don’t own guns. They are fragile. Most likely, in the case of civil unrest, they will call on the negro and mexican hordes to try and beat the whites back.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @dfordoom
  8. Were Pat only twenty years younger, I’d love to see him mount a principled challenge to DJT in the GOP primaries for 2020. It might pressure Pres. Trump to up his game and actually follow through on his campaign promises. Yes, he’s done well on some, but on many of them….meh.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  9. El Dato says:

    From the paper where Democracy Dies In Darkness (and that’s a promise):

    Adolf Hitler promised ‘living space’ for Germans as the basis of an expansionist project, which historians said distinguishes the Third Reich from today’s xenophobic governments. Still, experts found parallels.

    They are experts. In parallelism.

    Meanwhile, RT reports on the clownmedia pivot on Russia:

    TIME sinks to new depths of hypocrisy and propaganda with latest cover story on scary Russia

    “You’d think the Comintern still existed.”

  10. I might expect someone to describe another human being as ‘an infestation’ in the Third Reich—O’Rourke

    And in Israel, where Prime Minister Netanyahu said in 2016: ‘Will we surround all of the State of Israel with fences and barriers? The answer is yes. In the area that we live in, we must defend ourselves against the wild beasts.’

    • Replies: @turtle
  11. themdayz says:

    Pat, did Ike also understand the danger of having the Israel lobby invade and conquer the White House?

    Methinks so. He certainly would not have sold the place to the Israel first traitors, as Trump has done.

    What would Ike think of a U.S. war against Iran not in its own interest, but waged purely on behalf of Israel?

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  12. bluedog says:
    @Laugh Track

    Sure wish you would list those he’s done well on for I can’t find them,unless you belong to the 1% your right where you were under Obama,Bush Clinton Bush and Reagan.!!!

  13. RVBlake says:

    The Bern assures us that he “takes no pleasure” in attacking Trump. I am sure that he was immensely pleased. And to attack a White before an audience of Sharpton’s hyenas is arse-crawlingly revolting.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  14. Realist says:

    “Now, I might expect someone to describe another human being as ‘an infestation’ in the Third Reich. I would not expect it in the United States of America.” The crowd lustily cheered the analogy.

    Iowa has one of the highest average IQ’s in the country. Sadly that is changing due to an increase in liberals. O’Rourke must have been in eastern Iowa where the influence of dumbass liberals from Illinois is on the rise. The people of Iowa are going to lose their IQ standing just as Califorinia has….and for the same reason.

  15. DFH says:

    The concern about an ethnic, national people not having proper space — this is something you could definitely describe as parallel to the 1930s

    A little like how we are constantly told that Europe must accept migrants from the ‘vibrant’ young populations of Africa and the Middle East (cf. the Most Important Graph in the World)

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  16. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    These idiots are not “white liberals,” at least many/most of them. They are Marxists. Old-time liberals always believed in the power of free speech. These Cultural Marxists, with the help of the Oligarchs of Silicon Valley, are stamping it out. It is quite true that they cannot be reasoned with, thanks to the programming they received in our deplorable public schools and “elite” colleges.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  17. @RVBlake

    It was cringe-worthy watching so many weak-kneed radical D’s prostrating themselves at the feet of the race-bating, racially entitled “Minister” Sharpton when he asked each of them whether they supported Reparations. I know that at least Warren, Kamala, Booker, and Beto did, but there are no doubt others. As far as I know, old-man lifetime socialist pol Bernie has been too smart to fall for that, but I could be wrong.

    What is even crazier is that they must think, in a still majority white country, they can get away with it and still be elected over “Nazi” Trump. It makes one wonder if their “internal polling” is telling them that there are millions of guilt-ridden white liberals who will support this abomination of reparations. They must think that white nationalists will just sit on their hands and do nothing as their country is ripped out from underneath them. They could, in fact, be right.

  18. Bring back General Swing!

    Send him to the oval office to re-take it from an invasion by foreign infiltrators from the Mid East.

    Those third world racketeers always lecture the U.S. about their right to “self-defense”.

    It’s high time for some American self-defense.

    (Still, nice try at distraction pensioner Pat.)

  19. @themdayz

    Trump has won on Russiagate. And, with the firing of DHS Secretary Nielsen, he may finally be taking the border and illegal immigration seriously (though two years too late). With Trump no longer restrained by the Mueller witch hunt, is it not time for him to return to his campaign pledge of peace with Russia and an end to US regime-change wars?

    Since he’s in the midst of purging those not loyal to him, is it not time to also fire his two worst picks – Neocon Israel-firsters Pompeo and Bolton, before those liars trap him into attacking Iran? If Trump gets rid of those two and appoints reasonable men he could win re-election in a cake walk. But no doubt billionaire donor and Mossad-agent Adelson will not let him do that.

  20. follyofwar, who are you trying to kid – yourself or every one else?

    Why is it that folks desperately try to maintain that Trump is actually separate from the rabid right-wing Israel-first cohort that has hijacked the American government?

    Trump personally appointed Pompeo, Bolton, former ambassador Hailey and the odious Freidman and Greenblatt. Bolton, the unrepentant neo-cons’ neo-con was both Trump’s longstanding foreign policy “advisor” during the presidential election and was also being paid as head of yet another zionist “think tank”.

    Trump was clearly the favoured candidate of the Israel-first team – at least if any one cared to follow highly paid Israel shills like Klein (ZOA).

    Furthermore, Trump has jared at his side and has sided with and fulfilled every wish of this cabal.

    Policies, personnel and pronouncements from Trump – what you see is what you get. Trump is a zionist neo-con and his supporters can’t accept it.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  21. There might be an upside to 2020 Pat. When Mexicans cross over to the North, they’ll be greeted by large billboards proclaiming:

    Welcome to Greater Israel! From the river Rio Grande to both seas…

  22. @turtle

    Hermann Goering won the Blue Max Medal for his flying abilities during WWI. Comparing Pompous-ass-eo to Goering is an insult to Goering, who developed the Luftwaffe for deployment against the military, not civilians, as the US has done for the last 75 years.

    • Replies: @turtle
  23. @Grace Poole

    No one wants to talk about how many times the Germans offered peace prior to the Armistice of November 11, 1918. It was an agreement to stop shooting. Until that time, not one shot had been fired by the Allies on German soil. The Germans signed the Armistice so that they could deal with the communist riots in Germany, which culminated with Red Rosa Luxembourg seizing power in Bavaria.
    The German Communist Party in 1932 was the 3rd largest in the Reichstag after the NSDAP and the SDP. Germans had lived through an attempted communist takeover and had a popular political party taking direct orders from the Comintern in Moscow.
    Today, the US is occupied territory,and has 2 popular political parties taking direct orders from Tel Aviv. The Germans did something about it, Americans (or Canadians, French, and Britons) haven’t.

    • Replies: @turtle
  24. @follyofwar

    They must think that white nationalists will just sit on their hands and do nothing as their country is ripped out from underneath them.

    That’s been the case so far.

  25. @DFH

    Many of the European countries are more densely populated than the “vibrant” countries of Africa and the ME sending their young populations. Monaco is the most densely populated in the world, with Malta at #5. The Netherlands is more densely populated than India, and both Belgium and Britain are more densely populated than Pakistan. While Lebanon is #10, they aren’t sending many. The only African country more densely populated than #16 the Netherlands is Rwanda.

    Anyone who has been to Europe understands how densely populated it is. https://www.vividmaps.com/2017/10/population-density-of-europe-with-us.html

  26. hine says:

    Goering’s Luftwaffe was only “deployed against the military”? Like at Guernica, Warsaw and Rotterdam?

    As for your clumsy attempt to equate present-day Americans who oppose their country being usurped by a pro-Israel fifth column to the Nazis who usurped a whole state and its democracy, but who (according to you) were merely trying to free themselves from “communist occupation” – well, you’re as much of a buffoon as Goering and Pompeo.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  27. turtle says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Agree.
    Should have said, “America’s pathetic attempt at an answer to Goering,” who, as you stated, was an actual war hero from WWI.

    Pompous-ass-eo, by contrast, wants to deny humanitarian aid to Iranian civilians who have been devastated by floods in their country. AFAIK, no German general staff officer of any era would have stooped that low. It is all about honor, a concept of which Pompeo seem to be ignorant, despite graduating from USMA.

  28. modest says:

    The Nazis: a one-party state led by a dictator.

    Soviet Russia under Stalin: a one-party state led by a dictator.

    The United States: threatening to become a one-issue state (“What’s good for Israel?”)

    (n.b. neither of the first two will help prevent/reverse the third)

  29. @KenH

    It’s an old con game.

    The Federal Reserve Act was written by the banks themselves, and they howled in protest when it was presented in Congress. They had a fake Act the press obligingly labelled the “Bankers Bill”, guaranteeing the passage of the Act the bankers wrote and pretended to oppose.

    Why is Trump never complaining about how the Jews vilify him? Because it’s bullshit. Trump is the most reckless Israel-First Zionist president we have had to date.

    The Jew cries out in pain as he slices your throat.

  30. noworneve says:

    Who exactly “vilifies” Trump?

    It sure ain’t bibi, Adelson and their crew – they’re in the nirvana, the third fourth, fifth and sixth temple all rolled in with the the possible appearance of the messiah.

    While they got that for which they paid, have American, single-loyalty citizens?

  31. Saggy says: • Website
    @hine

    Nazis who usurped a whole state and its democracy, but who (according to you) were merely trying to free themselves from “communist occupation” –

    Listen to what Hitler had to say on the subject …..

    “Perhaps some of you here are unable to forgive me because I eradicated the Marxist Party. But my friend, I also eradicated all the other parties.”

    This was the first speech that Hitler broadcast live on all German radio stations, and took place only nine months after his take-over as Chancellor of the German Reich. It is a perfect illustration of the way he was able to create a sense of community between himself and his audience.

    Hitler was aware that many in this working-class audience were likely to have left-wing sympathies, yet within a minute he had won them over with a reference to his wartime service as a corporal in the trenches.

    See also https://www.quora.com/How-did-Hitler-convince-so-many-people-of-his-nonsense

    Also see — https://www.bitchute.com/video/uKbrffKEyE3m/

  32. @proofpudding

    Sigh! I can’t disagree, proofpudding. My rebuttal, perhaps it is weak, is that I don’t think that Trump knows shite about foreign policy, so has contracted it out to the Neocons. He wants to concentrate on the economy and domestic policies, and hasn’t done too bad there thus far, though a day of reckoning is approaching. Unlike other modern presidents, he forgoes the daily briefing, so is hostage to what Bolton tells him. And I have read that Bolton is quite adept at keeping dissenting foreign policy voices away from his boss. Trump, who doesn’t read and is not a deep thinker, is in a cocoon of his own making.

    Unlike GWB’s and Obama’s Admins, no new wars have yet started under Trump, though everywhere the signs are ominous. Since only the president can greenlight new wars, who knows if it is Trump who refuses to push the button. Seems to me that Bolton/Pompeo are chomping at the bit to start a few and would have done so by now if they had the power.

    Trump is an Israel shill, but unless he starts a war on Iran he has not yet “fulfilled every wish of the cabal.” But, as Syria has shown, he is obviously easily fooled by false flags.

    • Agree: bluedog
  33. I don’t agree.

    Trump’s whole tone towards migrants and refugees and Muslims has been hateful, and it’s becoming increasingly so.

    It almost makes me think he’s (perhaps unconsciously) trying to compensate his base support for the fact that he is not getting his wall.

    Beto O’Rourke is right to speak out on this.

    Never in my lifetime have the sounds coming from the White House been so ugly and demeaning.

    Americans should be ashamed.

  34. 4usisthis says:

    Er – so your point is that Hitler became exactly like the communists he claimed to be opposing?

    After being appointed chancellor on 1933, he did away with every party save for his own and then murdered every rival in his own party in (along with a few other folks) in 1934?

    That sounds like a “community” alright – with Josef Stalin.

    Is that what herr drumpf and king bibi have planned for Americans???????

  35. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    Iran’s Suleimani will be viewed the same way as Al-Baghdadi: Pompeo

    BEIRUT, LEBANON (7:10 P.M.) – In light of the U.S. designating the Islamic Revoluationary Guard Corps (IRGC) as a “terrorist organization”, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said this week that Iran’s commander of its Quds Force (IRGC unit), Major General Qassem Suleimani, will be viewed the same way as the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL/IS/Daesh) Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi.
    “He’s a terrorist. Qassem Suleimani has the blood of Americans on his hands, as do the forces he leads,” Pompeo told Fox News.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/irans-suleimani-will-be-viewed-the-same-way-as-al-baghdadi-pompeo/

    Pat ,this is Hate Speech and this goes unanswered by the world we live in .

  36. Come now! The more important question is how Pompeo could be compared to Goering when he really resembles an d behaves more like that corpulent oaf Martin Bormann?

    At least Goering got rich, retreated to his hunting lodge and lived like a grandee with his stolen loot and looted artwork.

    However, Pompeo and Trump have no conception of that – they’d prefer that the Marines heli-port them to a fast food “restaurant” in some distant opioid ghetto in order to marvel at poor folk in red caps kissing their rings.

    “One day” they says to themselves, “we’ll be running Jerusalem”.

    Yes, lucky them – and their citizens.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @nsa
  37. diktaterz says:

    Poor follyofwar, he throws out yet another shabby Trump “defense” – viz. that Trump hasn’t “started any new wars”.

    No, he and his Israel-First/Neocon tribe have merely needlessly and quite intentionally fanned the flames of existing wars with gusto.

    Not to worry- if those lost lives aren’t Israeli, then everything is kool!

    After all, it’s all “self-defense” – right?

  38. Hate now,
    Fascism later.
    Love now,
    We all prosper.

  39. turtle says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    O’Rourke

    Personally, I much prefer P.J.:

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/P._J._O%27Rourke

    If government were a product, selling it would be illegal.

    to “Beto.”

  40. hullonow says:

    What bs is that bs supposed to represent?

    That Trump and his friends are fascists, but merely try to represent themselves as “good Israelis”?

    Poor America………….

  41. Though it’s the main preoccupation of every connected-up immigrant and natural-born trust funder with the money to start up a lobbyist / think tank, foreign policy is not what motivated most of Trump’s voters, albeit we were hoping for a non-interventionist approach. Rich Americans would rather drum up overseas’ business anywhere and everywhere around the globe than to start businesses that employ US citizens.

    We were expecting his first priority to be immigration. We were not expecting Trump to raise levels of legal immigration from 1.5 million per year to 1.7 million during one of his years in office. Instead, his first priority was a big tax cut for the corporations that lobby for increased cheap-labor immigration. His second priority was a big tax cut for wealthy heirs.

    The welfare that helps womb-productive immigrants undercut underemployed US citizens in the labor force is down, according to Trump, but welfare is only down 10% for the illegal immigrants. Meanwhile, ninety-five million US citizens—ages 16 to 65—are still out of the labor force and still uncounted in a rigged economy. Republicans are using the 25-year-old playbook of Bill Clinton to explain it, attributing the mass un / underemployment of the most educated group of US citizens in American history to a “lack of skills.” A “skills gap” is the reason why Republicans, no less than Democrats, think we need more Third World immigration.

    Trump’s for Trump. Obama was for Obama. Bush II was for Bush II. Clinton was for Clinton. Congress is for whatever keeps them in government jobs at $174k, with the ability to become millionaires without ever risking a dime to employ an American citizen. Only a handful in Congress’ bigly Millionaires Club risk personal wealth to employ US citizens, much less at a wage sufficient to cover rent that has gone up by 72% since Bill Clinton was in office in 1995. Few of the corporations enjoying the bigly Trump tax cut are using it to employ mostly US citizens in permanent positions, rather than mostly foreign nationals in a temp capacity.

    Trump is not doing anything about illegal immigration; he is just podium-thumping. A lot of money has been made—billions—on the 20-day detention of womb-productive immigrants who are then released into the country to await asylum hearings that they never show up for. And the upswing in legal immigration will add to the number of illegal immigrants since many legal immigrants overstay their visas, with womb-productive sex sealing their foot in the door to citizenship due to birthright citizenship.

    The people who identified Trump as just another Third Way neoliberal were right. Those of us who wanted to believe that we were voting for America First instead of for Bill Clinton II got a rude awakening.

    The fact that there’s no option on the Democratic side that is not immersed in Tammany Hall ethnic triumphalism & racist race-pandering does not overshadow the cynical economic maneuvering of the Uniparty Republicans. Republicans sense that some Déplorables see through this theater. They know that enough Déplorables might stay home on Election Day to thwart their narrow victory margin, threatening the only thing they care about: their Bigly tax cut. That is why they are already—two years in advance of the presidential election—trying to carve out slices of the minority vote that will not mind the bold betrayal on immigration.

  42. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @johnnyohla

    Don’t fall prey to cynical attempts to try to pit members of this great organization against the Democratic Party…

    Israel is not political to me. It’s not political. I was a supporter of Israel well before I was a United State Senator. I was coming to AIPAC conferences well before I knew that one day I would be a federal officer. If I forget thee, o Israel, may I cut off my right hand. [Applause]

    Can Booker join them ? That’s what the Jews say about the peaceful resolution of certain conflicts. The entire universe will find peace under Israeli umbrella.

  43. @JOHN CHUCKMAN

    Drumpf’s fake-nationalist verbal bloviations satisfy the desperate – and desperately stupid – flyover country Whites who voted for him, while providing a useful bogy for the demoncrats…and other hardLeft chuckleheads. Meanwhile

    Drumpf’s actions – vaporizing the border and enabling a new avalanche of shitskin invasives, while doing a little dance whenever Israhell snaps a finger at him – satisfy his rich COC and Zionist donors.

  44. nsa says:
    @johnnyohla

    Quite insulting to compare a chickenshit apparatchik like Pompeo to a warrior like Goering, who end WWI as the commander of Richthofen’s Flying Circus with 22 kills and a bullet shattered hip. WWI fighters like the Fokker DR1 Triplane and the D7 Biplane utilized no hydraulics at all, cloth covered wings, and crude rotary engines that showered the pilot in castor oil. The dual Spandau machine guns were manually operated while banging the surfaces around through mostly leg effort. The rotary engines offered one RPM, so the aircraft speed was controlled by turning the engine on and off. The raw courage and skill of these early fighter pilots was well beyond anything displayed today…..the average pilot lasted about 3 months at the front and training was mainly on the job. The only similarity is their shared obesity in middle age.

  45. SafeNow says:

    “an insult to Goering”

    Which reminds me of a Goering story. Early in the war, Goering boasted “If a single bomb ever falls on Berlin, you can call me Meyer.” A few years later, when the bombs were raining down on Germany, Germans quietly and ruefully muttered to each other: “Where’s Meyer?”

  46. @JOHN CHUCKMAN

    Yes, it’s his frustration coming through that he hasn’t actually cut back immigration in any meaningful or lasting way. I approve of the Muslim ban and the refugee admission cuts, though.

  47. irish says:

    the endless erroneous comparisons to germany from ww2 need to stop. the hate trump displays is his real bigoted self

    • Disagree: Grace Poole
  48. the endless erroneous comparisons to germany from ww2 need to stop.

    I disagree.

    IMO they need to ratchet up to a crescendo.

    That will ensure that more and more people will hear the utter absurdity of the comparison and start to question the validity of the characterizations of “germany from ww2.”

  49. KenH says:

    Corey the quadroon Booker has a comprehensive plan for reparations and wealth redistribution. I’m guessing that whitey gets the short end of the stick. Republicans will likely offer their own version of white wealth redistribution.

    The Democrat presidential race is becoming the woke special olympics and who’s more stridently anti-white.

  50. Sorry KenH, but “whitey” already got “the short end of the stick” – from trump’s tax cuts for corporations and the very rich (and a few other things.)

    Of course, he had promised the middle class “massive” tax cuts; affordable, universal healthcare; infrastructure spending and domestic jobs programs; world peace etc. , etc., etc.

    Are you surprised? No one from his home town is.

    After all, NYC’s favorite “Swede” (donny’s own claim on-the-record) is just another greedy real estate shyster , but to be fair, one of the few of them who won’t even try to appear to give to charity.

  51. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Ruprecht

    This can only end in civil war.

    To have a civil war you need two sides able and willing to fight it. Liberals are more than willing to do so. Not personally of course, but they have mercenaries (the police, the military) who are happy to do the killing for them. And liberals have the entire apparatus of the state to back them up – the surveillance capabilities of the intelligence agencies, the FBI, etc.

    And they have the media to turn it into a holy crusade against fascism. They can reasonably expect to have 95% of the population solidly behind them.

    On the other side you have a few hundred guys who talk big on the internet. With zero resources.

  52. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Grace Poole

    they reacted to a gross injustice, involving not least the death-by-starvation of 800,000 of their wives, mothers, daughters and elderly on the Homefront, a starvation blockade

    A starvation blockade imposed by the British. That’s how the British wage war. See the terror bombing of German cities in WW2 for another example.

    The starvation was the result of British barbarism. Not the Jews.

    • Replies: @Grace Poole
  53. dfordoom says: • Website
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    White liberals are *very* vulnerable. They don’t own guns.

    They own the government. I think you’ll find that the government has quite a few guns.

  54. dfordoom says: • Website
    @follyofwar

    They are Marxists. Old-time liberals always believed in the power of free speech. These Cultural Marxists,

    Cultural Marxists aren’t Marxist. They’re anti-Marxist. They’re liberals. Cultural Marxists are the foot soldiers of capitalism.

    Free speech was invented in order to undermine western civilisation, and especially to undermine Christianity. That’s why liberals approved of it. Their aim was the destruction of western civilisation. Now they don’t need it. They’re in control.

    Old-time liberals were every bit as toxic as modern liberals. There’s no such thing as a good liberal. Never has been.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  55. dfordoom says: • Website
    @follyofwar

    They must think that white nationalists will just sit on their hands and do nothing as their country is ripped out from underneath them. They could, in fact, be right.

    Considering that white nationalists are a tiny tiny minority, even among whites, what else can they do?

    White nationalism does not have a mass following. It has zero mass support. You’re talking about maybe 1% of the population, if that.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  56. TTSSYF says:
    @JOHN CHUCKMAN

    I guess my “tone” towards migrants and refugees and Muslims also is “hateful” and “becoming increasingly so”, because I wish most of the ones who are here already hadn’t been allowed in, and I don’t want any more of them. We halted almost all immigration from about 1922 through 1965 to allow immigrants to assimilate into a common American identity. We promoted that and expected it. With the change in the immigration laws in 1965, we began allowing immigration from all corners of the world and now allow over one million legal immigrants into the country each year, with no expectation or social pressure on them to assimilate.

    When I was growing up, the U.S. population was about 230 million. It is now well over 300 million. So you tell me and those who think as I do: How much is too much? Or is there no upper limit; i.e., we should keep letting more and more immigrants into the country, regardless of their intelligence, marketable skills, or ability and willingness to assimilate (or lack thereof; e.g., Muslims bringing their single-minded devotion to their 7th century politico-religious beliefs)? We are well over $20 trillion in national debt; how are we going to support this massive influx of people who can’t or won’t contribute in any significant way to economic growth?

    If it’s “hateful” to hate a 7th-century “religion” that treats women as chattel, is cruel to animals, forbids photography and statuary as “haram”, equates interest with usury, and dictates every aspects of daily life such that its adherents act as automatons, bowing and scrapping the ground with their head with their ar ses in the air five times a day, etc. etc., or if it is “hateful” to hate seeing Third Worlders who have never seen a door knob or built a successful modern society pour into this country and relegate native-born Whites to minority status — well, count me in as a “hater.”

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  57. So TTSSYF, Trump’s massive fiscal deficit spending is because of Muslim immigrants?

    I guess these new folk must be fans of tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations.

    Maybe it’s their “7th century politico-religious beliefs” which convince them of trump’s right wing BS that “tax cuts pay for themselves”?

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  58. @dfordoom

    In the war years (at very least) the entanglement of Jewish influence with British political / military activity was the same as the entanglement of Jewish influence with American political / military activity today.

  59. @KenH

    Yup, if Hitler didn’t exist, the Jews would have to invent him, Oh, Right………….

  60. Art says:

    I agree with everything Pat is saying about identity politics – but Trump is culpable – he has unnecessarily added to the problem with his tweets.

    He clearly is pro Jew, pro-MIC, and now he is backing the Deep State with the arrest of Assange. His border policy is an obvious failure.

    Hmm?

  61. TTSSYF says:
    @hardnumbers

    Talk about some non sequiturs! While Trump has not done anything to rein in spending, it was under Obama that the debt doubled, from roughly $9 trillion to over $18 trillion. And I said nothing about the recent tax cuts, but if you think corporations actually pay taxes out of profits rather than passing them on to customers, you are sadly mistaken.

    But getting back to the Muslim issue or immigration from all corners of the world, you tell me: How do Muslims and Sharia make America a better country? What do they bring to us that we aren’t already capable of doing without them? How many legal immigrants per year is too many? We are already allowing over a million a year. Do you like the idea of ever bigger cities and people living on top of each other? How would YOU suggest getting control of the national debt? I suggest a 20% across the board cut in federal spending, increasing the retirement age for Social Security (and limiting it to only retirees), halting ALL immigration for at least 20 years, for starters. And if it were up to me, I would not allow any more Muslims into this country. What are YOUR suggestions?

  62. dfordoom says: • Website
    @TTSSYF

    If it’s “hateful” to hate a 7th-century “religion” that treats women as chattel

    While we turn women into sluts and then celebrate their sluttiness. We’re much more civilised.

    is cruel to animals,

    We have factory farming. Is that more humane than what Muslims do?

    and dictates every aspects of daily life such that its adherents act as automatons

    Unlike the West, where the media and the government increasingly dictate every aspect of daily life.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  63. TTSSYF says:
    @dfordoom

    So you’re acknowledging that, under Islam, women are treated like chattel, animals are treated cruelly, and adherents behave like automatons. I’m glad we have that much understood.

    I submit that we in the West don’t turn women into sluts. Such women turn themselves into sluts, because they love being celebrated, even (or maybe, especially) if it’s for being slutty. No one is holding a gun to their heads. Factory farming is horrible, but just because it is horrible doesn’t mean that we should mildly accept and welcome into our country people who consider dogs to be dirty creatures to be tortured or killed at will. And if, in the West, the media and government increasingly dictate “every” aspect of our daily life — well, a good bit of that is individual choice. You don’t have to watch TV or the internet, and there are still plenty of communities where like-minded individuals can band together and be free to a large extent of government overrreach.

    But following up on my second comment — how are any of these dysfunctionalities in our society improved by allowing large numbers of Sharia-adhering Muslims into the country? Do you somehow think Islam will have some sort of palliative or healing effect? Do you not know that, under Islam, we “infidels” are given only three choices: Convert, live as second-class citizens, or die?

    There is something called a happy median, otherwise referred to as “all things in moderation.” I don’t think that, just because too many Western women act like sluts, we should throw burkas and hajibs on them…or that, just because we engage in factory farming, it’s okay that my new neighbors look at my small dog as a vampire would at the sign of a cross, or that, just because our media and federal government are out of control (and, in the case of the former, just plain nuts), it’s healthy for us to import millions of religious automatons. You don’t make a bad situation worse by actively importing more dysfunctionality, ignorance, and intolerance.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @dfordoom
  64. How should Trump keep his promise on reining in the deficit? Easy.

    1. By reversing his ridiculous third round of laughable laffer-nomics tax cuts for the rich. After Reagan and Bush the Younger, talk about a right wing obsession with this already-failed experiment.

    2. By not waging another war-of-choice on behalf of the Israel-First neocons. The last one they started cost the U.S. a cool trillion or two and they haven’t even admitted their error.

    Trouble is, Trump “the peacemaker” is already empowering this cabal of foreign-controlled has-beens for another round of recklessness – this time against Iran.

    Clearly, the Israel lobby is more dangerous to the United States than the immigrants over which the president obsesses.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  65. hearinghe says:

    Trump on migrants (presumably Southern) last week:

    “They’ll flood your house, they’ll shoot you, they’ll take over your house, they’ll take your car and they’ll – probably stay there. Why not?”

    He didn’t mention whether these same folks would drag the U.S. into a war with Iran or whether they would write and sponsor legislation for the Congress (in the middle of the night) curtailing free speech by declaring what American citizens can and cannot say about certain topics.

    Guess they must be newbies.

  66. @dfordoom

    Yes, you are right. I should have just said whites.

  67. Where is the “wailing wall” here in the U.S. ?

    Good question – it’s either at the Oval Office of Occupation or on Unz.

  68. Your country is full of brainwashed population,ruled by corrupt & criminal elites,dedicated to serve a tiny Jewish state on the other side of the Atlantic, whose main purpose is the continuous wars paid by American blood and tax money, but,for a flood of low wage hard working decent workers,coming from the countries that you destroyed economically & politically,that’s an unacceptable intrusion,and dilution of brainwashed majority of your sheeple. Sorry,we are full.

  69. TTSSYF says:
    @squarebooks

    1. How about we cut spending?

    2. Are we at war and I missed it somehow?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  70. refunds says:

    That’s great news!

    It means that the U.S. still has time to apply for a war rebate from Israel for encouraging the last military disaster (Iraq II) on its behalf before it leads the U.S. into another.

  71. @JOHN CHUCKMAN

    “Beto O’Rourke is right to speak out on this”

    And you are openly admitting that you are hopelessly insane.

    Americans should be ashamed?

    Bullshit, you should be ashamed that you are such a bloody fool and ignoramous.

    Anyone who supports the lunatic Democrats is not in the position to discuss politics, period.

    Authenticjazzman “mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US vet, and pro Jazz musician.

  72. @dfordoom

    ” Cultural Marxists aren’t Marxist, They’re anti-Marxist”

    Aside from the fact that you have always posted the most absurd bullshit possible, this is without a doubt the most idiotic statement ever posted on the Internet.

    AJM “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro Jazz performer.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  73. dfordoom says: • Website
    @TTSSYF

    There is something called a happy median, otherwise referred to as “all things in moderation.”

    Agreed. And our society as it exists currently is a long long long way from that happy situation. The point I was trying to make is that western civilisation today is in no position to criticise other civilisations. Before we can do that we need to get our own house in order. There is no sign whatsoever that we are likely to do so.

    Western civilisation today is an open sewer. At this point anything, including Islam, would be an improvement. That is not an indication of my admiration for Islam but rather of the depths of my disgust for what we in the West have become.

    I’m not suggesting Islam is a good option. But we have very few good options left. If we don’t find a better option we’re going to get to a point at which Islam starts to look pretty attractive.

  74. dfordoom says: • Website
    @TTSSYF

    Factory farming is horrible, but just because it is horrible doesn’t mean that we should mildly accept and welcome into our country people who consider dogs to be dirty creatures to be tortured or killed

    I’m more worried about people than dogs. The West has a pretty poor track record where people are concerned. We gave the world industrial-scale mass murder, terror bombing of civilian targets, the fire-bombing of cities, deliberate starvation as a weapon (the British blockade of Germany in WW1, the sanctions against Iraq). Compared to that I’m not going to get overly worked up that Muslims are mean to dogs.

    I guess the happy median would be not butchering people or dogs.

    So you’re acknowledging that, under Islam, women are treated like chattel

    I think Islam’s attitude towards women is saner and more realistic than the West’s at this point in time. The West’s attitude towards women in the pre-WW2 period was probably the happy median. The West’s attitude towards women today has only succeeded in making women crazy, angry and miserable and has pretty much destroyed family life.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  75. dfordoom says: • Website
    @TTSSYF

    2. Are we at war and I missed it somehow?

    We have always been at war with Eurasia.

  76. TTSSYF says:
    @dfordoom

    You obviously are not a woman, and equally obvious to me is that you don’t know much about Islam. Do you realize that, under Islam, it is perfectly acceptable (and in fact, encouraged) that cousins — even first cousins — marry? Rare genetic disorders are much more common in the Arab Muslim world than in the general world population. Inbreeding also intensifies personality traits of fanaticism and over-excitability. Even if it’s only third or fourth cousins who marry, if it goes on long enough (as it has over the centuries in the Arab world), there are going to be extreme genetic effects, many of which are not good. Did that crew who carried out 9/11 look normal to you? How about OBL or any of his multiple wives and 50+ children?

    If you “care more about people than you do dogs” as you claim, then why are you so blithely accepting of a 7th-century religion that allows cousin marriage and also allows men to have multiple wives who can be physically beaten (with a proper, Islam-sanctioned stick, of course) if they “misbehave”?

    You don’t fix crazy with crazy. Aren’t we smart enough to reject both and come up with an intelligent third way? I think so and will work with others who think as I do and not fatalists such as yourself.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @dfordoom
  77. “‘The echoes do indeed remind one of the Nazi period, unfortunately,’ John Connelly, a historian of modern Europe at the University of California at Berkeley, said in an interview with The Washington Post.

    “Historian of Modern Europe”-Oxymoron or just Moron? Enquiring minds want to know.

    “When such language is deployed without admonition from the major media, what does that say about the sincerity of the media’s calls to unite and heal the country?

    Pat I love you man-but when the hell did they do this-calls to unite and heal?

    “The 1924 immigration act restricted legal immigration into the U.S. and imposed ethnic quotas. That was American, not Nazi, law and was enforced by Presidents Coolidge, Hoover, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy.”

    Pat-don’t try to cloud the issue with facts here-Trump is “literally Hitlerian.”

    Was not Hitler’s daughter and son-in-law also Jewish? -The echoes of the parallels here are astounding.

    Was there ever two bigger tools than Bernie and Bet0? -Literally the echoes of the parallels of the literally Dumb and Dumber?

  78. If this is the level of discourse from Beto and Bernie, two of the leading candidates for the nomination, two years from Election Day, 2020 looks to be one of the ugliest campaigns in American history.

    Seriously? Pat knows 20th century history quite well, but now I’m wondering how steeped he is in 19th.

    The Ugliest, Most Contentious Presidential Election Ever
    Throughout the 1876 campaign, Tilden’s opposition had called him everything from a briber to a thief to a drunken syphilitic

    Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-ugliest-most-contentious-presidential-election-ever-28429530/#ZWueqzVWSbI0eZ0M.99″>The Ugliest, Most Contentious Presidential Election Ever
    Throughout the 1876 campaign, Tilden’s opposition had called him everything from a briber to a thief to a drunken syphilitic

  79. @TTSSYF

    Do you realize that, under Islam, it is perfectly acceptable (and in fact, encouraged) that cousins — even first cousins — marry?

    It’s also “perfectly acceptable” throughout the West, save for about half the states in the US:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage_law_in_the_United_States_by_state

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#/media/File:CousinMarriageWorld.svg

    “No European country prohibits marriage between first cousins. It is also legal throughout Canada and Mexico to marry your cousin. The U.S. is the only western country with cousin marriage restrictions.”

    https://www.cousincouples.com/?page=facts

    Thus, the eugenicists and the Vatican agree on something!

    Half-siblings can marry in Sweden, and uncles and nieces can in Rhode Island, as long as they’re Jewish.

    That’s what happens when you treat marriage as a civil matter, rather than the sacrament that it is meant to be.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  80. @Authenticjazzman

    Aside from the fact that you have always posted the most absurd bullshit possible, this is without a doubt the most idiotic statement ever posted on the Internet.

    But you’ve come close yourself. So your opinion on this carries weight.

  81. TTSSYF says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I understand there is a lot of inter-marriage in orthodox Jewish communities, and too many ignorant whites have married their cousins (although often because extended family members were the only people routinely encountered). However, I don’t think the average person considers it “perfectly acceptable”. There are reasons why there are jokes about families with “too many cousins marrying”. And I don’t know that government-sanctioned marriage was ever intended to be a sacrament but rather to promote the nuclear family and a stable environment for raising children.

    Why must you always play devil’s advocate? You’re part of what’s wrong with the West…always trying to silence your fellow citizens who talk common sense with claims of “We’re no better — we do it, too!”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @dfordoom
  82. TTSSYF says:

    Coincidentally, Reg, I happened to read this after responding to your comment (emphasis mine). It is from the 1920s.

    “Josey rejected the relativism that paralyzes so many whites today: “We may admit that our idea of the maximum good of the world may not be the same as the ideas of a tiger, lion, or possibly even of the Chinese or Africans. We may even admit that their ideas may be better than ours. But what is the probability? Are not the chances equally great that ours are as good as theirs? More than this, our values are the only guides we have.”

    Josey urged us to seek wisdom among any people that may have it. However, to fail to act because our wisdom is not perfect is contemptible: “Perhaps our values and preferences are not the best values and preferences, but as long as they are our values and preferences, we must make use of them in regulating our behavior. To do otherwise could but result in the most complete moral chaos.”

  83. Yes, it’s time to take “action” alright- against the Saudi sponsors of terror who attacked the U.S. on 9/11, the Israeli supremacists who celebrated that attack and the oval office who has sold out this Republic to both those third world crazies.

    There’s only one thing all three fear – as is quite obvious from the comments section at Unz.

  84. @TTSSYF

    Why must you always play devil’s advocate? You’re part of what’s wrong with the West…always trying to silence your fellow citizens who talk common sense with claims of “We’re no better — we do it, too!”

    No, I’m just pointing out that the Church is more against it than the state. If you oppose it, throw your lot in with the Church.

    The state has already blown it. Obergefell is the inevitable result of William Bradford’s little sermon at the first wedding in Plymouth. The state has no more place at marriages than at baptisms.

  85. dfordoom says: • Website
    @TTSSYF

    You don’t fix crazy with crazy. Aren’t we smart enough to reject both and come up with an intelligent third way?

    At the moment the evidence seems to suggest that it’s very very unlikely that we’re going to find that intelligent third way. If we don’t then we’re going to continue our slippery slide into ever-increasing degeneracy and ever-increasing totalitarianism.

    What kind of third way could save us?

    Liberalism cannot save us. Liberalism created the problems in the first place. Liberalism is inherently destructive. There’s no such thing as good liberalism. Liberalism leads inevitably to atheism, hedonism and decadence.

    Christianity is not likely to save us. Christianity today is one of the enemies of our civilisation. It is merely liberalism with a fake veneer of spirituality and a great deal of self-righteousness. And it is clearly a dying religion.

    Could a revival of old school marxism save us? Good old-fashioned economic marxism without the liberal social and cultural agendas? Maybe.

    What about paganism? The problem there is that modern neo-paganism is prone to New Age foolishness and paganism does not offer any moral framework.

    Nationalism as a kind of state religion? Maybe, but you’d still have the degeneracy so you’d still have a society bent on self-destruction.

    Fascism? What we have today is quite similar to fascism but without the nationalism.

    None of these alternatives seem particularly viable. Some might end up being not much better than what we have now. Some might be more attractive.

    Like I said earlier, we’re pretty short on good options.

  86. dfordoom says: • Website
    @TTSSYF

    Why must you always play devil’s advocate? You’re part of what’s wrong with the West…always trying to silence your fellow citizens who talk common sense with claims of “We’re no better — we do it, too!”

    Yes Reg, stop muddying the waters with facts.

    Sadly, not only are we no better than most other cultures, we are in many ways considerably worse. We have taken degeneracy and decadence to levels that no other society ever thought possible.

    We can’t solve our problems unless we’re prepared to face them. We have to admit that our society is diseased. That’s the first step towards a cure. The problem we have today in the West is that most people are going to great lengths to avoid noticing the true state of our society. They are pretending that the slide into immorality and debauchery is no big deal. They are pretending that diversity is working out just fine. They refuse to face the unpleasant truth that we are headed for disaster.

    And it’s no use trying to console ourselves by saying that no matter how disgusting our culture becomes those nasty foreigners are even worse.

  87. Open border
    Is surrender to globalism.
    Open hate,
    Surrender to fascism.

  88. @dfordoom

    Christianity, honestly practiced, could save the world.
    There are options, but they require love and holiness to work.

  89. dfordoom says: • Website

    Christianity, honestly practiced, could save the world.

    Yes, it could.

    But Christianity honestly practiced is almost unknown today. And totally unknown among those who run our churches. Unless Christianity can be reformed Christianity will continue to be a mortal enemy of civilisation. Reforming Christianity would mean returning to medieval Christianity. A second Reformation would have to undo the harm done by the first Reformation.

  90. TTSSYF says:
    @dfordoom

    Why do you list one fantastic or unattractive option after another but don’t even include, for the sake of completeness, an intelligent, rational approach? The answer to our current mess is not to fantasize about being “saved” by Islam or other failed approach (Marxism), consciously regress into ignorance (paganism), or simply lament that all is lost. How about a renewal of federalism, brought about by slow but steady migration into Red states and making them even redder? (One commenter suggested Alaska, given its physical separation from the lower 48, but why go to that extreme when we can at least attempt to reclaim the American Southeast?) Isn’t that what Mexico is doing to the American Southwest? There is power in numbers. In fact, much of life is driven by numbers and percentages.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  91. dfordoom says: • Website
    @TTSSYF

    How about a renewal of federalism, brought about by slow but steady migration into Red states and making them even redder? (One commenter suggested Alaska, given its physical separation from the lower 48, but why go to that extreme when we can at least attempt to reclaim the American Southeast?)

    Who are these people who are going to do this migrating? How are you going to select them?

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