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The war for dominance in the Middle East, following the crushing of ISIS, appears about to commence in Syria — with NATO allies America and Turkey on opposing sides.

Turkey is moving armor and troops south to Syria’s border enclave of Afrin, occupied by Kurds, to drive them out, and then drive the Syrian Kurds out of Manbij further south as well.

Says President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, “We will destroy all terror nests, one by one, in Syria, starting from Afrin and Manbij.”

For Erdogan, the Kurdish YPG, the major U.S. ally in Syria, is an arm of the Kurdish PKK in Turkey, which we and the Turks have designated as a terrorist organization.

While the Kurds were our most effective allies against ISIS in Syria, Turkey views them as a mortal peril and intends to deal with that threat.

If Erdogan is serious, a clash with the U.S. is coming, as our Kurdish allies occupy most of Syria’s border with Turkey.

Moreover, the U.S. has announced plans to create a 30,000-man Border Security Force of Kurds and Arabs to keep ISIS out of Syria.

Erdogan has branded this BSF a “terror army,” and President Bashar Assad of Syria has called BSF members “traitors.”

This U.S. plan to create a BSF inside Syria, Damascus declared, “represents a blatant attack on the sovereignty and territorial integrity and unity of Syria, and a flagrant violation of international law.”

Does not the Syrian government have a point?

Now that ISIS has been driven out of Raqqa and Syria, by what authority do U.S. forces remain to arm troops to keep the Damascus government from reimposing its authority on its own territory?

Secretary of State Tillerson gave Syria the news Wednesday.

The U.S. troop commitment to Syria, he said, is now open-ended.

Our goals: Guarantee al-Qaida and ISIS do not return and set up sanctuary; cope with rising Iranian influence in Damascus; and pursue the removal of Bashar Assad’s ruthless regime.

But who authorized this strategic commitment, of indefinite duration, in Syria, when near two decades in Afghanistan have failed to secure that nation against the return of al-Qaida and ISIS?

Again and again, the American people have said they do not want to be dragged into Syria’s civil war. Donald Trump won the presidency on a promise of no more unnecessary wars.

Have the American people been had again?

Will they support a clash with NATO ally Turkey, to keep armed Kurds on Turkey’s border, when the Turks regard them as terrorists?

Are we prepared for a shooting war with a Syrian army, backed by Russia, Iran, Hezbollah and Shiite militias from Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, to hold onto a fourth of Syria’s territory in alliance with Kurds?

The U.S. coalition in Syria said this week the BSF will be built up “over the next several years” and “be stationed along the borders … to include portions of the Euphrates river valley and international borders to the east and north.”

Remarkable: A U.S.-created border army is going to occupy and control long stretches of Syria’s borders with Turkey and Iraq, over Syria’s objections. And the U.S. military will stand behind the BSF.

Are the 2,000 U.S. troops in Syria really up to that task, should the Turks decide to cleanse the Syrian border of Kurds, or should the Syrian regime decide to take back territory occupied by the Kurds?

Who sanctioned this commitment to a new army, which, if Syria and its Russian and Iranian allies, and the Turks, do not all back down, risks a major U.S. war with no allies but the Kurds?

ORDER IT NOW

As for Syria’s Kurds casting their lot with the Americans, one wonders: Did they not observe what happened when their Iraqi cousins, after helping us drive ISIS out of Mosul, were themselves driven out of Kirkuk by the Iraqi army, as their U.S. allies watched?

In the six-year Syrian civil war, which may be about to enter a new phase, America faces a familiar situation.

While our “allies” and adversaries have vital interests there, we do not. The Assads have been in power for the lifetime of most Americans. And we Americans have never shown a desire to fight there.

Assad has a vital interest: preservation of his family regime and the reunification of his country. The Turks have a vital interest in keeping armed Kurds out of their border regions adjacent to their own Kurdish minority, which seeks greater independence.

The Israelis and Saudi royals want the U.S. to keep Iran from securing a land bridge from Tehran to Damascus to Lebanon.

The U.S. War Party wants us to smash Iran and remain in the Middle East forever to assure the hegemony of its favorites.

Have the generals taking us into Syria told the president how and when, if ever, they plan to get us out?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. MEexpert says:

    Have the American people been had again?

    The answer to this question has been evident since the beginning of Trump presidency. Trump is under total control of the war party.

    Now that ISIS has been driven out of Raqqa and Syria, by what authority do U.S. forces remain to arm troops to keep the Damascus government from reimposing its authority on its own territory?

    Obviously not. The recent bombing in Baghdad proves that the ISIS is alive and well. It was premature to declare the demise of ISIS. It is in line with the US (Israel) foreign policy to keep ISIS alive so that forces from Iran are divided between Iraq and Syria. It is the US propaganda that ISIS has been routed out of Iraq. ISIS will continue to move back and forth between Iraq and Syria as the need arises.

    Who sanctioned this commitment to a new army, which, if Syria and its Russian and Iranian allies, and the Turks, do not all back down, risks a major U.S. war with no allies but the Kurds?

    The consititution of the United States has been turned over its head. Instead of congress, the executive branch decides when and where to start a war. The exit strategy is not in the vocabulary of the new brass. Thay don’t teach that at West Point anymore.

    The Israelis and Saudi royals want the U.S. to keep Iran from securing a land bridge from Tehran to Damascus to Lebanon.

    These two countries are driving our foreign policy. With Israel controlling the congress and the Saudis and the weapons manufacturers controlling the Pentagon, the President has a free hand to do whatever pleases him; threaten a country, start a war here and there, starve children around the world, bomb the civilians and drone a few. It is a game for the military brass with the politicians as the willing spectators.

    Have the generals taking us into Syria told the president how and when, if ever, they plan to get us out?

    Has anyone seen any sign of this in any of the wars being waged around the world since 2001? The generals believe in perpetual wars. They start a war and before it is won, they start a new war, and so on. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Somalia,and Yemen prove that. There is no end in sight for the US forces in any of these wars. The next president will start a new war of his own.

    God help the United States. The people better wake up or the long awaited Armageddon will be upon them here rather than in the Middle East, brought upon them by their own government.

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    • Replies: @MEexpert
    Having said all that, I think Turkey is a Trojan Horse. After all Turkey is part of NATO and will not go against another member of the organization. US and Turkey will continue to occupy Syrian territory playing good cop-bad cop.
    , @KenH

    The constitution of the United States has been turned over its head.
     
    The constitution and been replaced with the cohenstitution. In the latter, checks and balances and normal constitutional restraints on the president fall by the wayside and he may act autocratically so long as he's acting in the best interest of Israel and the Jewish people who were chosen by Gawd to rule over us feckless, no good goys.
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    The crimes of the USA just keep piling up.

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  3. MEexpert says:
    @MEexpert

    Have the American people been had again?
     
    The answer to this question has been evident since the beginning of Trump presidency. Trump is under total control of the war party.

    Now that ISIS has been driven out of Raqqa and Syria, by what authority do U.S. forces remain to arm troops to keep the Damascus government from reimposing its authority on its own territory?
     
    Obviously not. The recent bombing in Baghdad proves that the ISIS is alive and well. It was premature to declare the demise of ISIS. It is in line with the US (Israel) foreign policy to keep ISIS alive so that forces from Iran are divided between Iraq and Syria. It is the US propaganda that ISIS has been routed out of Iraq. ISIS will continue to move back and forth between Iraq and Syria as the need arises.

    Who sanctioned this commitment to a new army, which, if Syria and its Russian and Iranian allies, and the Turks, do not all back down, risks a major U.S. war with no allies but the Kurds?
     
    The consititution of the United States has been turned over its head. Instead of congress, the executive branch decides when and where to start a war. The exit strategy is not in the vocabulary of the new brass. Thay don't teach that at West Point anymore.

    The Israelis and Saudi royals want the U.S. to keep Iran from securing a land bridge from Tehran to Damascus to Lebanon.
     
    These two countries are driving our foreign policy. With Israel controlling the congress and the Saudis and the weapons manufacturers controlling the Pentagon, the President has a free hand to do whatever pleases him; threaten a country, start a war here and there, starve children around the world, bomb the civilians and drone a few. It is a game for the military brass with the politicians as the willing spectators.

    Have the generals taking us into Syria told the president how and when, if ever, they plan to get us out?
     
    Has anyone seen any sign of this in any of the wars being waged around the world since 2001? The generals believe in perpetual wars. They start a war and before it is won, they start a new war, and so on. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Somalia,and Yemen prove that. There is no end in sight for the US forces in any of these wars. The next president will start a new war of his own.

    God help the United States. The people better wake up or the long awaited Armageddon will be upon them here rather than in the Middle East, brought upon them by their own government.

    Having said all that, I think Turkey is a Trojan Horse. After all Turkey is part of NATO and will not go against another member of the organization. US and Turkey will continue to occupy Syrian territory playing good cop-bad cop.

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    Good comments.

    Washington (or US rulers) intention is to keep chaos in ME.

    All the rest just flows from there.
    , @The Alarmist

    "After all Turkey is part of NATO and will not go against another member of the organization."
     
    I dunno ... they've mixed it up with Greece a few times. They shot down a Russian with impunity, and I bet they feel they get a free shot or two, a la USS Liberty because, like Russia, the US won't want to appear to be punching down at an opponent that can really punch back.

    US Generals know they are no longer required to actually win wars: They just need to provide spectacular footage of bad guys being blown up along with headlines announcing the capture of key bad-guy cities. They've gotten so good at the latter that there are a few cities that have been captured two or three times in the past decade or so.

    , @cortisol
    On the contrary.

    Inside NATO Turkey can do a lot of things it could not do outside NATO. For example as we will witness, attack SDF (first in NW Syria and later the "mainland" in NE) without USA raising one finger, still being afraid of losing Turkey as a base whose sole purpose within NATO has always been to harass Russia. Except that most probably they will not be harassing Russia anymore. SDF is a serious US commitment and they will watch, swallowing their anger as it gets obliterated from all sides, or alternatively just wrestled away from the US through diplomacy (a term which the US administration most likely hasen't ever heard of). The 14 US bases, to which there would be no supply lines (and which have already been published on Turkish newspapers) in NE Syria could be relatively easily turned into graveyards of US troops, should divisions within SDF become rampant as they start really thinking about who their allegiance should really lie with.

    I suspect Turkey will be with NATO for a long, long time.
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  4. The war for dominance in the Middle East, following the crushing of ISIS by Russia and Syria, appears about to commence in Syria — with NATO allies America and Turkey on opposing sides.

    Dear Pat,

    Take note that I took the liberty of fixing the very first sentence of your excellent article by inserting the words, Russia and Syria. Quite sure it was not your intention to leave readers with the impression US forces had anything to do with the crushing of ISIS.

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  5. Plan to defeat ISIS and Al-Qaeda:

    Get the West out of the Middle East, and get the Middle East out of the West.

    1. Bring home all US military personnel stationed overseas.
    2. End all economic sanctions.
    3. End all foreign aid.
    4. Expel Turkey from NATO, invite Russia to join.
    5. End arms sales to Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, unless they agree to cease engaging in military actions which indirectly benefit ISIS and Al-Qaeda, such as bombing Syria, Yemen and Kurdistan.
    6. End immigration from the Middle East to America.
    7. Give maximum support to European nationalist movements.

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    I’ll buy everything but 4b. There’s no possible interpretation of “North Atlantic” that makes Russia North Atlantic. There’s also the fact that NATO was established to oppose Russia in its guise as the Soviet Union.
    , @Chris Mallory
    You got the first 3 spot on. But the last four need some substitutions:

    4. The US should leave NATO. Defending Europe is not the responsibility of the American tax payer.
    5. End arms sales to all Middle Eastern nations.
    6. End all immigration to the US.
    7. End all US tax money going overseas for any reason. Europeans are not the responsibility of the American tax payer.
    , @MEexpert

    1. Bring home all US military personnel stationed overseas.
    2. End all economic sanctions.
    3. End all foreign aid.
     
    So far you are on track.

    4. Expel Turkey from NATO, invite Russia to join.
     
    Dissolve NATO. It has lost its significance with the fall of Soviet Union. Europeans should be able to solve their own problems or learn to live in peace with each other. Europe does not need NATO as much as the power hungry US needs NATO.

    5. End arms sales to Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, unless they agree to cease engaging in military actions which indirectly benefit ISIS and Al-Qaeda, such as bombing Syria, Yemen and Kurdistan.
     
    End all military sales and aid to any country. Only humanitarian aid should be given to those countries that need it and it should be given through the UN.

    6. End immigration from the Middle East to America.
     
    End immigration from all countries. Why single out Middle East.

    7. Give maximum support to European nationalist movements.
     
    Stop meddling in other countries' internal politics. Just because we are protected by the oceans around us, does not mean that we should mind other people's business. Let Europeans handle their own problems.
    , @anon
    Agree 100% with two exceptions. The USA should just leave NATO. Let the rest do what they want.

    And I would end ALL immigration, as was basically done in 1924. We have plenty of people and we need to digest-absorb those already here. No more are needed as far as I can see.
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  6. Virgile says:

    The USA’s overblown offer to build a border army, later denied by Tillerson is one of the reactions to Russia, Iran and Syria’ success in eradicating ISIS with on the ground military actions. The US- lead coalition got tepid recognition as the success of Raqqa was credited to the Kurds lead SDF.

    All the money spent in Syria got no tangible glory for the USA while Russia, Iran and Bashar al Assad are recognized as the winners over ISIS. In addition the success of Iran and Syria presents new threats to US’ allies in the region, Israel and Saudi Arabia
    Trump must make big noises to show that the USA is ‘powerful’
    Thus we got the Jerusalem announcement, new sanctions on Iran to calm the Israelis, vocal announcement that ISIS is still alive and now the ’30,000 Border army” to spoil Turkey and Russia relation.
    Of course none of these infantile and spectacular announcement will have any impact.
    Erdogan needs Bashar al Assad to help him neutralize the Syrian Kurds.
    It is quite possible that Russia is quietly working on a great bargain of reconciliation between Bashar al Assad and Erdogan. Erdogan would drop support of the FSA and offer financial compensation to Syria while the Syrians will find a political way to tame the Syrian Kurds.
    Sochi will show if this is happening despite the USA efforts to keep Syria instable.
    The Kurds may soon realize that the USA is an unreliable partner and they would prefer to negotiate with the Syrian government on a autonomy or federation.

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    "All the money spent in Syria got no tangible glory for the USA while Russia, Iran and Bashar al Assad are recognized as the winners over ISIS."
     
    Even though only 56% of Americans are reported to trust the reporting of its press, I suspect that like is oft said about foreign policy disagreements, for a far larger number a lot of the disbelief stops at waters' edge. The folks in DC don't really give a rat's behind for opinion beyond that.
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  7. Yee says:

    MEexpert,

    “I think Turkey is a Trojan Horse. … US and Turkey will continue to occupy Syrian territory playing good cop-bad cop.”

    Totally agree.
    Qatar is another one.

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  8. Rurik says:

    our Kurdish allies

    :)

    flagrant violation of international law.”

    Does not the Syrian government have a point?

    on what planet Pat?

    by what authority do U.S. forces

    you answered your own question Pat!

    Damascus government from reimposing its authority on its own territory?

    ahh.. there’s your anti-Semitism again Pat! Pretending that the Golan Heights are Syrian territory. I guess six million wasn’t enough for Pat.

    The U.S. troop commitment to Syria, he said, is now open-ended.

    “The world will not be the same from today on”

    Ehud Barak speaking to BBC on 9/11

    Our goals: Guarantee al-Qaida and ISIS do not return and set up sanctuary; cope with rising Iranian influence in Damascus; and pursue the removal of Bashar Assad’s ruthless regime.

    “Our” goals Pat?

    Really? Why do you use the terminology of the Fiend? “Assad’s ruthless regime”?

    the Assad government is the legitimate government of Syria that the Syrian people overwhelmingly approve of. Why use the Orwellian language of the Fiend, Pat?

    I suppose you’re just trying to parrot the jingoistic terminology of our zio-masters, but do you have to do it so willingly (cravenly ; )?

    But who authorized this strategic commitment, of indefinite duration, in Syria, …

    perhaps more to the point.. who has complained?

    the Americanis Bovinus cud-chewers?

    Have the American people been had again?

    The U.S. War Party wants us to smash Iran and remain in the Middle East forever to assure the hegemony of its favorites.

    Have the generals taking us into Syria told the president how and when, if ever, they plan to get us out?

    “The world will not be the same from today on”

    Ehud Barak speaking to BBC on 9/11

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    LOL! The look on that cow’s face - classic!

    Peace.
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  9. nickels says:

    One thing I notice is that there are always plenty of stupid enough people to join proxy armies.

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  10. peterAUS says:
    @MEexpert
    Having said all that, I think Turkey is a Trojan Horse. After all Turkey is part of NATO and will not go against another member of the organization. US and Turkey will continue to occupy Syrian territory playing good cop-bad cop.

    Good comments.

    Washington (or US rulers) intention is to keep chaos in ME.

    All the rest just flows from there.

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  11. Art says:

    Our goals: Guarantee al-Qaida and ISIS do not return and set up sanctuary; cope with rising Iranian influence in Damascus; and pursue the removal of Bashar Assad’s ruthless regime.

    “Our Goals” — that is total BS – those are Israeli goals.

    Pat has to stop writing the fiction that the US government’s ME actions are independent of Israel.

    This is too serious – it is time for truth – if not now – when?

    Pat has the gravitas to change the narrative to the truth – he must do it.

    Pat has to say “Jew.”

    Think Peace — Art

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  12. Trump sold us non-intervention during the campaign. Now he is acquiescing to the war-party and becoming and interventionist. Looks like Iraq 2.0 , where the US fights for tribal and sectarian interests of other peoples.
    Still no Wall. Still no cuts to H1-B. Still no executive action against illegal immigration. But hey, every once in awhile he pisses off liberals with some comment / tweet , so that makes up for everything.

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    That’s a pretty strong indictment. Unfortunately, it’s mostly on point.
    , @TomSchmidt
    Read this on H-1b:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7pnc4s/trump_quietly_working_behind_the_scenes_on_h1b/
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  13. @MEexpert
    Having said all that, I think Turkey is a Trojan Horse. After all Turkey is part of NATO and will not go against another member of the organization. US and Turkey will continue to occupy Syrian territory playing good cop-bad cop.

    “After all Turkey is part of NATO and will not go against another member of the organization.”

    I dunno … they’ve mixed it up with Greece a few times. They shot down a Russian with impunity, and I bet they feel they get a free shot or two, a la USS Liberty because, like Russia, the US won’t want to appear to be punching down at an opponent that can really punch back.

    US Generals know they are no longer required to actually win wars: They just need to provide spectacular footage of bad guys being blown up along with headlines announcing the capture of key bad-guy cities. They’ve gotten so good at the latter that there are a few cities that have been captured two or three times in the past decade or so.

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    They shot down a Russian with impunity, and I bet they feel they get a free shot or two, a la USS Liberty because, like Russia, the US won’t want to appear to be punching down at an opponent that can really punch back.
     
    That was just for show. It was done so as a pennant Turkey gets in good terms with Russian. Turkey looks hostile to the US, and starts getting favors from Iran and Russia. All this time she is also a NATO member with all the rights under the alliance terms. Hence the Trojan Horse.
    , @TomSchmidt
    They just need to provide spectacular footage of bad guys being blown up along with headlines announcing the capture of key bad-guy cities. They’ve gotten so good at the latter that there are a few cities that have been captured two or three times in the past decade or so.

    Recalls the old quote: "We started the war on terrorism to deal with 5,000 Al Qaeda. At this point, we have successfully killed 10,000 of them, and there are only 20,000 left."
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  14. @Virgile
    The USA's overblown offer to build a border army, later denied by Tillerson is one of the reactions to Russia, Iran and Syria' success in eradicating ISIS with on the ground military actions. The US- lead coalition got tepid recognition as the success of Raqqa was credited to the Kurds lead SDF.

    All the money spent in Syria got no tangible glory for the USA while Russia, Iran and Bashar al Assad are recognized as the winners over ISIS. In addition the success of Iran and Syria presents new threats to US' allies in the region, Israel and Saudi Arabia
    Trump must make big noises to show that the USA is 'powerful'
    Thus we got the Jerusalem announcement, new sanctions on Iran to calm the Israelis, vocal announcement that ISIS is still alive and now the '30,000 Border army" to spoil Turkey and Russia relation.
    Of course none of these infantile and spectacular announcement will have any impact.
    Erdogan needs Bashar al Assad to help him neutralize the Syrian Kurds.
    It is quite possible that Russia is quietly working on a great bargain of reconciliation between Bashar al Assad and Erdogan. Erdogan would drop support of the FSA and offer financial compensation to Syria while the Syrians will find a political way to tame the Syrian Kurds.
    Sochi will show if this is happening despite the USA efforts to keep Syria instable.
    The Kurds may soon realize that the USA is an unreliable partner and they would prefer to negotiate with the Syrian government on a autonomy or federation.

    “All the money spent in Syria got no tangible glory for the USA while Russia, Iran and Bashar al Assad are recognized as the winners over ISIS.”

    Even though only 56% of Americans are reported to trust the reporting of its press, I suspect that like is oft said about foreign policy disagreements, for a far larger number a lot of the disbelief stops at waters’ edge. The folks in DC don’t really give a rat’s behind for opinion beyond that.

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  15. MEexpert says:
    @The Alarmist

    "After all Turkey is part of NATO and will not go against another member of the organization."
     
    I dunno ... they've mixed it up with Greece a few times. They shot down a Russian with impunity, and I bet they feel they get a free shot or two, a la USS Liberty because, like Russia, the US won't want to appear to be punching down at an opponent that can really punch back.

    US Generals know they are no longer required to actually win wars: They just need to provide spectacular footage of bad guys being blown up along with headlines announcing the capture of key bad-guy cities. They've gotten so good at the latter that there are a few cities that have been captured two or three times in the past decade or so.

    They shot down a Russian with impunity, and I bet they feel they get a free shot or two, a la USS Liberty because, like Russia, the US won’t want to appear to be punching down at an opponent that can really punch back.

    That was just for show. It was done so as a pennant Turkey gets in good terms with Russian. Turkey looks hostile to the US, and starts getting favors from Iran and Russia. All this time she is also a NATO member with all the rights under the alliance terms. Hence the Trojan Horse.

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  16. KenH says:

    No doubt this 30,000 man border army will be training to do much more than just straddle the border to keep ISIS out. They’ll be the second iteration of the insurgency designed to topple Assad and install someone more palatable to our best ally with the most moral people and army in all of the Middle East. Sooner or later this border army will be infiltrated by hundreds of ISIS terrorists just like the stalwart Afghan army keeps getting infiltrated by Taliban.

    Trump is quickly becoming Marco Rubio with a blond comb-over when it comes foreign policy. Perhaps he should change his name to Donald J. Trumpio.

    Trump has now adopted the foreign policy and world outlook of 15 of the 16 nutty neo-cons he vanquished during the presidential campaign. Rand Paul was the lone exception. Gerald Celente, in a recent interview with Ron Paul, called Trump a total fraud and that’s putting things mildly.

    I think part of Trump’s recent doctor visit was to get his anal cavity inspected since it’s been rudely invaded by Bibi, Sheldon Adelson and the neocon generals. The rogue Congress won’t rein the president in since they would run afoul of the domestic Israel lobby. Most are neo-cons and liberal interventionists anyway, so they’re too steeped in ideology to think clearly and independently.

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  17. KenH says:
    @MEexpert

    Have the American people been had again?
     
    The answer to this question has been evident since the beginning of Trump presidency. Trump is under total control of the war party.

    Now that ISIS has been driven out of Raqqa and Syria, by what authority do U.S. forces remain to arm troops to keep the Damascus government from reimposing its authority on its own territory?
     
    Obviously not. The recent bombing in Baghdad proves that the ISIS is alive and well. It was premature to declare the demise of ISIS. It is in line with the US (Israel) foreign policy to keep ISIS alive so that forces from Iran are divided between Iraq and Syria. It is the US propaganda that ISIS has been routed out of Iraq. ISIS will continue to move back and forth between Iraq and Syria as the need arises.

    Who sanctioned this commitment to a new army, which, if Syria and its Russian and Iranian allies, and the Turks, do not all back down, risks a major U.S. war with no allies but the Kurds?
     
    The consititution of the United States has been turned over its head. Instead of congress, the executive branch decides when and where to start a war. The exit strategy is not in the vocabulary of the new brass. Thay don't teach that at West Point anymore.

    The Israelis and Saudi royals want the U.S. to keep Iran from securing a land bridge from Tehran to Damascus to Lebanon.
     
    These two countries are driving our foreign policy. With Israel controlling the congress and the Saudis and the weapons manufacturers controlling the Pentagon, the President has a free hand to do whatever pleases him; threaten a country, start a war here and there, starve children around the world, bomb the civilians and drone a few. It is a game for the military brass with the politicians as the willing spectators.

    Have the generals taking us into Syria told the president how and when, if ever, they plan to get us out?
     
    Has anyone seen any sign of this in any of the wars being waged around the world since 2001? The generals believe in perpetual wars. They start a war and before it is won, they start a new war, and so on. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Somalia,and Yemen prove that. There is no end in sight for the US forces in any of these wars. The next president will start a new war of his own.

    God help the United States. The people better wake up or the long awaited Armageddon will be upon them here rather than in the Middle East, brought upon them by their own government.

    The constitution of the United States has been turned over its head.

    The constitution and been replaced with the cohenstitution. In the latter, checks and balances and normal constitutional restraints on the president fall by the wayside and he may act autocratically so long as he’s acting in the best interest of Israel and the Jewish people who were chosen by Gawd to rule over us feckless, no good goys.

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  18. @The Alarmist

    "After all Turkey is part of NATO and will not go against another member of the organization."
     
    I dunno ... they've mixed it up with Greece a few times. They shot down a Russian with impunity, and I bet they feel they get a free shot or two, a la USS Liberty because, like Russia, the US won't want to appear to be punching down at an opponent that can really punch back.

    US Generals know they are no longer required to actually win wars: They just need to provide spectacular footage of bad guys being blown up along with headlines announcing the capture of key bad-guy cities. They've gotten so good at the latter that there are a few cities that have been captured two or three times in the past decade or so.

    They just need to provide spectacular footage of bad guys being blown up along with headlines announcing the capture of key bad-guy cities. They’ve gotten so good at the latter that there are a few cities that have been captured two or three times in the past decade or so.

    Recalls the old quote: “We started the war on terrorism to deal with 5,000 Al Qaeda. At this point, we have successfully killed 10,000 of them, and there are only 20,000 left.”

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    Al Quaeda has been rebranded more times than Coke®, but with more success than New Coke® or Coke Zero®.

    The whole GWOT reminds me of the joke about grandpa's hammer: Seven handles and four heads and still going strong.

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    America is nothing more than an armed gang of criminals.

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  20. MBlanc46 says:
    @John Gruskos
    Plan to defeat ISIS and Al-Qaeda:

    Get the West out of the Middle East, and get the Middle East out of the West.

    1. Bring home all US military personnel stationed overseas.
    2. End all economic sanctions.
    3. End all foreign aid.
    4. Expel Turkey from NATO, invite Russia to join.
    5. End arms sales to Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, unless they agree to cease engaging in military actions which indirectly benefit ISIS and Al-Qaeda, such as bombing Syria, Yemen and Kurdistan.
    6. End immigration from the Middle East to America.
    7. Give maximum support to European nationalist movements.

    I’ll buy everything but 4b. There’s no possible interpretation of “North Atlantic” that makes Russia North Atlantic. There’s also the fact that NATO was established to oppose Russia in its guise as the Soviet Union.

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  21. MBlanc46 says:
    @greysquirrell
    Trump sold us non-intervention during the campaign. Now he is acquiescing to the war-party and becoming and interventionist. Looks like Iraq 2.0 , where the US fights for tribal and sectarian interests of other peoples.
    Still no Wall. Still no cuts to H1-B. Still no executive action against illegal immigration. But hey, every once in awhile he pisses off liberals with some comment / tweet , so that makes up for everything.

    That’s a pretty strong indictment. Unfortunately, it’s mostly on point.

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  22. @TomSchmidt
    They just need to provide spectacular footage of bad guys being blown up along with headlines announcing the capture of key bad-guy cities. They’ve gotten so good at the latter that there are a few cities that have been captured two or three times in the past decade or so.

    Recalls the old quote: "We started the war on terrorism to deal with 5,000 Al Qaeda. At this point, we have successfully killed 10,000 of them, and there are only 20,000 left."

    Al Quaeda has been rebranded more times than Coke®, but with more success than New Coke® or Coke Zero®.

    The whole GWOT reminds me of the joke about grandpa’s hammer: Seven handles and four heads and still going strong.

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  23. @John Gruskos
    Plan to defeat ISIS and Al-Qaeda:

    Get the West out of the Middle East, and get the Middle East out of the West.

    1. Bring home all US military personnel stationed overseas.
    2. End all economic sanctions.
    3. End all foreign aid.
    4. Expel Turkey from NATO, invite Russia to join.
    5. End arms sales to Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, unless they agree to cease engaging in military actions which indirectly benefit ISIS and Al-Qaeda, such as bombing Syria, Yemen and Kurdistan.
    6. End immigration from the Middle East to America.
    7. Give maximum support to European nationalist movements.

    You got the first 3 spot on. But the last four need some substitutions:

    4. The US should leave NATO. Defending Europe is not the responsibility of the American tax payer.
    5. End arms sales to all Middle Eastern nations.
    6. End all immigration to the US.
    7. End all US tax money going overseas for any reason. Europeans are not the responsibility of the American tax payer.

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  24. MEexpert says:
    @John Gruskos
    Plan to defeat ISIS and Al-Qaeda:

    Get the West out of the Middle East, and get the Middle East out of the West.

    1. Bring home all US military personnel stationed overseas.
    2. End all economic sanctions.
    3. End all foreign aid.
    4. Expel Turkey from NATO, invite Russia to join.
    5. End arms sales to Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, unless they agree to cease engaging in military actions which indirectly benefit ISIS and Al-Qaeda, such as bombing Syria, Yemen and Kurdistan.
    6. End immigration from the Middle East to America.
    7. Give maximum support to European nationalist movements.

    1. Bring home all US military personnel stationed overseas.
    2. End all economic sanctions.
    3. End all foreign aid.

    So far you are on track.

    4. Expel Turkey from NATO, invite Russia to join.

    Dissolve NATO. It has lost its significance with the fall of Soviet Union. Europeans should be able to solve their own problems or learn to live in peace with each other. Europe does not need NATO as much as the power hungry US needs NATO.

    5. End arms sales to Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, unless they agree to cease engaging in military actions which indirectly benefit ISIS and Al-Qaeda, such as bombing Syria, Yemen and Kurdistan.

    End all military sales and aid to any country. Only humanitarian aid should be given to those countries that need it and it should be given through the UN.

    6. End immigration from the Middle East to America.

    End immigration from all countries. Why single out Middle East.

    7. Give maximum support to European nationalist movements.

    Stop meddling in other countries’ internal politics. Just because we are protected by the oceans around us, does not mean that we should mind other people’s business. Let Europeans handle their own problems.

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  25. @MEexpert

    1. Bring home all US military personnel stationed overseas.
    2. End all economic sanctions.
    3. End all foreign aid.
     
    So far you are on track.

    4. Expel Turkey from NATO, invite Russia to join.
     
    Dissolve NATO. It has lost its significance with the fall of Soviet Union. Europeans should be able to solve their own problems or learn to live in peace with each other. Europe does not need NATO as much as the power hungry US needs NATO.

    5. End arms sales to Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, unless they agree to cease engaging in military actions which indirectly benefit ISIS and Al-Qaeda, such as bombing Syria, Yemen and Kurdistan.
     
    End all military sales and aid to any country. Only humanitarian aid should be given to those countries that need it and it should be given through the UN.

    6. End immigration from the Middle East to America.
     
    End immigration from all countries. Why single out Middle East.

    7. Give maximum support to European nationalist movements.
     
    Stop meddling in other countries' internal politics. Just because we are protected by the oceans around us, does not mean that we should mind other people's business. Let Europeans handle their own problems.

    I can as an European only agree.

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  26. @greysquirrell
    Trump sold us non-intervention during the campaign. Now he is acquiescing to the war-party and becoming and interventionist. Looks like Iraq 2.0 , where the US fights for tribal and sectarian interests of other peoples.
    Still no Wall. Still no cuts to H1-B. Still no executive action against illegal immigration. But hey, every once in awhile he pisses off liberals with some comment / tweet , so that makes up for everything.
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    I hope that is not peculiar to that guy's situation and is actually representative of the system as a whole.
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  27. Turkey has no other option than disarm Kurd’s or kill them.
    US will not lift a finger. Naturally it will be another case, for another nation to learn the obvious lesson.
    US military policies could be described as run of the headless chicken.
    (What is interesting that chicken can run without head about 3 yards before collapses.)

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  28. Talha says:
    @Rurik

    our Kurdish allies
     
    :)

    flagrant violation of international law.”

    Does not the Syrian government have a point?
     
    on what planet Pat?

    by what authority do U.S. forces...
     
    you answered your own question Pat!

    Damascus government from reimposing its authority on its own territory?
     
    ahh.. there's your anti-Semitism again Pat! Pretending that the Golan Heights are Syrian territory. I guess six million wasn't enough for Pat.

    The U.S. troop commitment to Syria, he said, is now open-ended.
     
    http://www.bollyn.com/public/Barak_on_911.png

    "The world will not be the same from today on"

    Ehud Barak speaking to BBC on 9/11
     

    Our goals: Guarantee al-Qaida and ISIS do not return and set up sanctuary; cope with rising Iranian influence in Damascus; and pursue the removal of Bashar Assad’s ruthless regime.
     
    "Our" goals Pat?

    Really? Why do you use the terminology of the Fiend? "Assad's ruthless regime"?

    the Assad government is the legitimate government of Syria that the Syrian people overwhelmingly approve of. Why use the Orwellian language of the Fiend, Pat?

    I suppose you're just trying to parrot the jingoistic terminology of our zio-masters, but do you have to do it so willingly (cravenly ; )?

    But who authorized this strategic commitment, of indefinite duration, in Syria, ...
     
    perhaps more to the point.. who has complained?

    the Americanis Bovinus cud-chewers?

    Have the American people been had again?
     
    http://grumpyseniors.com/wp-content/uploads/cow-face.png

    The U.S. War Party wants us to smash Iran and remain in the Middle East forever to assure the hegemony of its favorites.

    Have the generals taking us into Syria told the president how and when, if ever, they plan to get us out?
     
    http://www.bollyn.com/public/Barak_on_911.png

    "The world will not be the same from today on"

    Ehud Barak speaking to BBC on 9/11
     

    LOL! The look on that cow’s face – classic!

    Peace.

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  29. @TomSchmidt
    Read this on H-1b:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7pnc4s/trump_quietly_working_behind_the_scenes_on_h1b/

    I hope that is not peculiar to that guy’s situation and is actually representative of the system as a whole.

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  30. cortisol says:
    @MEexpert
    Having said all that, I think Turkey is a Trojan Horse. After all Turkey is part of NATO and will not go against another member of the organization. US and Turkey will continue to occupy Syrian territory playing good cop-bad cop.

    On the contrary.

    Inside NATO Turkey can do a lot of things it could not do outside NATO. For example as we will witness, attack SDF (first in NW Syria and later the “mainland” in NE) without USA raising one finger, still being afraid of losing Turkey as a base whose sole purpose within NATO has always been to harass Russia. Except that most probably they will not be harassing Russia anymore. SDF is a serious US commitment and they will watch, swallowing their anger as it gets obliterated from all sides, or alternatively just wrestled away from the US through diplomacy (a term which the US administration most likely hasen’t ever heard of). The 14 US bases, to which there would be no supply lines (and which have already been published on Turkish newspapers) in NE Syria could be relatively easily turned into graveyards of US troops, should divisions within SDF become rampant as they start really thinking about who their allegiance should really lie with.

    I suspect Turkey will be with NATO for a long, long time.

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    That is what I said. Turkey and US will continue to work with each other. Turkey is a Trojan horse not for the US but for the other side. Russia/Iran/Syria have to watch out for Turkey. US has already given a green light to Turkey by saying that they made a mistake by arming the Kurds and Turkey has announced that they will continue to bomb Kurdish targets.
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  31. I cannot tell about the system as a whole, but as an IT person, I’ve gotten more real interest lately. So, things in my neck of the woods are slightly improved. If they takeout all the H-1Bs, then it might make things better for the IT population. Just changing the tone of the conversation makes a difference too.

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  32. nebulafox says:

    One of those nasty little facts you’ll never see the Senate GOP bring up: the vast majority of the Kurds in what used to be Syria look at Assad as a lesser evil compared to the US-backed rebels that would inevitably create a pro-Ankara satellite in the region, in the extremely off-hand chance they can militarily win and then coherently rule. (Which they can’t, as we’ve all known since 2013 at the latest.) And they are right. Given the choice, they’ll take the Alawites, every time.

    Same story with the Maronites allying with Hezbollah in Lebanon. The Shi’a are relatively tolerant to Christians, both because of theological history and because of realpolitik: being a minority themselves outside of Iran and Iraq, they can afford to go on purity campaigns less.

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  34. MEexpert says:
    @cortisol
    On the contrary.

    Inside NATO Turkey can do a lot of things it could not do outside NATO. For example as we will witness, attack SDF (first in NW Syria and later the "mainland" in NE) without USA raising one finger, still being afraid of losing Turkey as a base whose sole purpose within NATO has always been to harass Russia. Except that most probably they will not be harassing Russia anymore. SDF is a serious US commitment and they will watch, swallowing their anger as it gets obliterated from all sides, or alternatively just wrestled away from the US through diplomacy (a term which the US administration most likely hasen't ever heard of). The 14 US bases, to which there would be no supply lines (and which have already been published on Turkish newspapers) in NE Syria could be relatively easily turned into graveyards of US troops, should divisions within SDF become rampant as they start really thinking about who their allegiance should really lie with.

    I suspect Turkey will be with NATO for a long, long time.

    That is what I said. Turkey and US will continue to work with each other. Turkey is a Trojan horse not for the US but for the other side. Russia/Iran/Syria have to watch out for Turkey. US has already given a green light to Turkey by saying that they made a mistake by arming the Kurds and Turkey has announced that they will continue to bomb Kurdish targets.

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    You didn't say what I said in the previous comment like you claimed. You said that USA and Turkey are playing together in Syria.

    I said that I think Turkey is using NATO membership to do things it couldn't get away with outside of NATO. That much is absolutely clear. I repeat that SDF is a seriously invested plan of USA and they don't want it to blow up on their faces.

    The US intention was to have the kurds fight the Syrian government forces. According to this plan Turkey is the "wrong" country to be fighting them. Erdogan just said that they have agreed with Russia for some limited action in Afrin, presumably to remind the Kurds not to become puppets of the US. Unlike for the US, for Russia Turkey is the "right" country, which has the "acceptance" to be fighting them and they have the motivation to do that.

    That said, Turkey may or may not be a Trojan horse for the Russian alliance but personally I don't think so. Likewise I don't think that Turkey will leave NATO nor will it get kicked out despite acting opposite to the US plans.
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  35. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @John Gruskos
    Plan to defeat ISIS and Al-Qaeda:

    Get the West out of the Middle East, and get the Middle East out of the West.

    1. Bring home all US military personnel stationed overseas.
    2. End all economic sanctions.
    3. End all foreign aid.
    4. Expel Turkey from NATO, invite Russia to join.
    5. End arms sales to Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, unless they agree to cease engaging in military actions which indirectly benefit ISIS and Al-Qaeda, such as bombing Syria, Yemen and Kurdistan.
    6. End immigration from the Middle East to America.
    7. Give maximum support to European nationalist movements.

    Agree 100% with two exceptions. The USA should just leave NATO. Let the rest do what they want.

    And I would end ALL immigration, as was basically done in 1924. We have plenty of people and we need to digest-absorb those already here. No more are needed as far as I can see.

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  36. Have the American people been had again?

    Does sewage stink?

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  37. cortisol says:
    @MEexpert
    That is what I said. Turkey and US will continue to work with each other. Turkey is a Trojan horse not for the US but for the other side. Russia/Iran/Syria have to watch out for Turkey. US has already given a green light to Turkey by saying that they made a mistake by arming the Kurds and Turkey has announced that they will continue to bomb Kurdish targets.

    You didn’t say what I said in the previous comment like you claimed. You said that USA and Turkey are playing together in Syria.

    I said that I think Turkey is using NATO membership to do things it couldn’t get away with outside of NATO. That much is absolutely clear. I repeat that SDF is a seriously invested plan of USA and they don’t want it to blow up on their faces.

    The US intention was to have the kurds fight the Syrian government forces. According to this plan Turkey is the “wrong” country to be fighting them. Erdogan just said that they have agreed with Russia for some limited action in Afrin, presumably to remind the Kurds not to become puppets of the US. Unlike for the US, for Russia Turkey is the “right” country, which has the “acceptance” to be fighting them and they have the motivation to do that.

    That said, Turkey may or may not be a Trojan horse for the Russian alliance but personally I don’t think so. Likewise I don’t think that Turkey will leave NATO nor will it get kicked out despite acting opposite to the US plans.

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    The endless murders of the US Zionist filth never readers.

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