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“Having cut a deal with Democrats for help with the debt ceiling, will Trump seek a deal with Democrats on amnesty for the ‘Dreamers’ in return for funding for border security?”

The answer to that question, raised in my column a week ago, is in. Last night, President Donald Trump cut a deal with “Chuck and Nancy” for amnesty for 800,000 recipients of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program who came here illegally as youngsters, in return for Democratic votes for more money for border security.

According to preening Minority Leader Pelosi, the agreement contains not a dime for Trump’s Wall, and the “Dreamers” are to be put on a long glide “path to U.S. citizenship.”

Trump denies this is amnesty, and says the Wall comes later.

Fallout? Among the most enthusiastic of Trump backers, disbelief, disillusionment and wonderment at where we go from here.

Trump’s debt-ceiling deal cut the legs out from under the GOP budget hawks. But amnesty would pull the rug out from under all the folks at those rallies who cheered Trump’s promise to preserve the country they grew up in from this endless Third World invasion.

For make no mistake. If amnesty is granted for the 800,000, that will be but the first wave. “There are reasons no country has a rule that if you sneak in as a minor you’re a citizen,” writes Mickey Kaus, author of “The End of Equality,” in The Washington Post.

“We’d be inviting the world. … (An amnesty) would have a knock-on effect. Under ‘chain migration’ rules established in 1965 … new citizens can bring in their siblings and adult children, who can bring in their siblings and in-laws until whole villages have moved to the United States.

“(T)oday’s 690,000 dreamers would quickly become millions of newcomers who may well be low-skilled and who would almost certainly include the parents who brought them — the ones who in theory are at fault.”

Trump is risking a breach in the dam. If the populists who provided him with decisive margins in Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania feel betrayed, it’s hard to blame them.

Why did Trump do it? Clearly, he relished the cheers he got for the debt ceiling deal and wanted another such victory. And with the rampant accusations of a lack of “compassion” for his cancellation of the temporary Obama administration amnesty, he decided he had had enough heat.

It is not easy to stand up for long to the gale force winds of hostile commentary that blow constantly through this city.

Trump’s capitulation, if that is what turns out to be, calls to mind George H. W. Bush’s decision in 1990 to raise the Reagan tax rates in a deal engineered for him by a White House-Hill coalition, that made a mockery of his “Read my lips! No new taxes!” pledge of 1988.

For agreeing to feed the beast of Big Government, rather than cut its rations as Reagan sought to do, Bush was called a statesman.

By the fall of ’92, the cheering had stopped.

Can Trump not know that those congratulating him for his newfound flexibility will be rejoicing, should Bob Mueller indict his family and his friends, and recommend his impeachment down the road?

What makes pre-emptive amnesty particularly disheartening is that the Trump policy of securing the border and returning illegal immigrants to their home countries appears, from a Census Bureau report this week, to be precisely the prescription America needs.

In 2016, paychecks for U.S. households reached an average of $59,039, up 3.2 percent from 2015, a year when they had surged.

U.S. median household income is now at its highest ever.

Yet there are inequalities. Where the median family income of Asian-Americans is above $81,400, and more than $65,000 for white Americans, the median family income of Hispanic families is $47,675, and that of African-American households far less, $39,490.

Consider. Though black Americans are predominantly native-born, while high percentages of Hispanics and Asians are immigrants, from the Census numbers, Hispanics earn more and Asians enjoy twice the median family income of blacks, which is below where it was in 2000.

ORDER IT NOW

Still, black America remains steadfastly loyal to a party that supports the endless importation of workers who compete directly for jobs with them and their families. Writes Kaus, “The median hourly wage (of DACA recipients) is only $15.34, meaning that many are competing with hard-pressed, lower-skilled Americans.”

Looking closer at the Census Bureau figures, Trumpian economic nationalism would appear to have its greatest appeal to the American working class, a huge slice of which is native-born, black and Hispanic.

The elements of that policy?

Secure the border. Halt the invasion of low-wage workers, here legally and illegally, from the Third World. Tighten the labor market to force employers to raise wages in our full-employment economy. Provide tax incentives to companies who site factories in the USA. Impose border taxes on the products of companies who move plants abroad.

Put America and American workers first.

Will any amnesty of undocumented workers do that?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Pat nails it again! The “Dunp Trump” movement has nothing to worry about. Lots of us have held on as long as we could, “hoping against hope” but now it’s all too blatantly obvious: Trump is a hack. A television huckstering genius … but essentially nothing but a shill and a hack, who sees the presidency as just another opportunity to add to his personal fortune … ah well, at least we had the thrill of burying Hillary.

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    Yeah, that's about the size of it, Charlie. Of course, it would have been worse with the Hildabeast, but the "lesser of two evils" deal isn't gonna cut it anymore - this is an Existential Problem, as in, if this isn't fixed to a great degree soon, the rest of America's problems won't mean squat.

    TWEET TWEET - DISAPPOINTING AS HELL! - TWEET TWEET
    , @jacques sheete

    ...ah well, at least we had the thrill of burying Hillary.
     
    That would have been good enough, but some of us were also thrilled by the complete annihilation of the whole pack of degenerate Republikkin screwball hyenas as well.

    I guess the mouthy orange tub of lard isn't all bad!
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  2. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Blacks will always have a home on the Democrat’s plantation as long as they fulfill their side of the Electoral bargain.
    They know that.

    The future for Trump doesn’t appear so great, unless he’s running with a [D] next to his name in 2020.

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  3. The future for Trump doesn’t appear so great, unless he’s running with a [D] next to his name in 2020.

    Can’t run as a Democrat without winning the nomination.

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  4. According to preening Minority Leader Pelosi, the agreement contains not a dime for Trump’s Wall, and the “Dreamers” are to be put on a long glide “path to U.S. citizenship.”

    Trump denies this is amnesty, and says the Wall comes later.

    As I am not American, I may be missing the point about these “dreamers”.

    Surely they can be put on a long glide “path to US citizenship” by returning them to the country of their birth and inviting them to take their place in the queue of people applying to immigrate legally (I believe Americans call it “standing in line”)?

    Among the advantages of this approach are that:
    1. it is fair to the “dreamers”, who have had a few years to demonstrate whether they deserve the privilege of US citizenship;
    2. it is fair to those “dreamers” who are found to be more deserving cases than other “dreamers”
    3. if they are unsuccessful it gives them the alternative citizenship that was their birthright;
    4. it preserves the useful distinction between “legal” and “illegal”;
    5. it clarifies which of those two categories the supporters of “amnesty” favour.

    In his calm, reasoned, commonsense prose style (which I shall miss), the late Jerry Pournelle was offering his take on the problem in his final blog post before he died. I hope our moderator allows me to quote from it here:

    The news is full of the Dreamers. The Constitution says the President must take care to see that the laws are faithfully enforced. Mr. Trump didn’t want to deport the “Dreamers”, particularly those who have integrated into the society, but the law gives him no leeway, and the Presidential Order Obama signed giving them amnesty is unconstitutional. He solved that dilemma by giving it back to Congress who created it. We’ll now see what happens.
    I can solve part of the problem. Any volunteer of any age who serves 7 years overseas in Army or Marines gets a Green Card and an application to apply for Citizenship along with his honorable discharge. The Citizenship application and test need not be very difficult and I would expect all who applied to pass it. The swearing should be public and conducted by an officer of rank Colonel or above.
    As to girls, we can think of something similar or suitable; they need not join the combat arms. Surgical Assistant comes instantly to mind.
    Their parents are a more difficult problem, and it will take ingenuity to find a path that does not offend the legal immigrants who obeyed the law.
    More later I’m experiencing a wave of nausea.
    Bye for now.

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    I can solve part of the problem. Any volunteer of any age who serves 7 years overseas in Army or Marines gets a Green Card and an application to apply for Citizenship along with his honorable discharge.
     
    It would be useful to put the Neo-cons through the same route. It would confirm their loyalty to the US and remove any doubt about it. After 7 years overseas these questions could be laid to rest and Wolfowitz. Medved, Prager, Krauthammer, Feith etc. would confirm their "America First" credentials.
    , @Anonymous

    I can solve part of the problem. Any volunteer of any age who serves 7 years overseas in Army or Marines gets a Green Card and an application to apply for Citizenship along with his honorable discharge. The Citizenship application and test need not be very difficult and I would expect all who applied to pass it. The swearing should be public and conducted by an officer of rank Colonel or above.
    As to girls, we can think of something similar or suitable; they need not join the combat arms. Surgical Assistant comes instantly to mind.
    Their parents are a more difficult problem, and it will take ingenuity to find a path that does not offend the legal immigrants who obeyed the law.
     
    I work in a job which involves military recruits. I can confirm that non-U.S. citizens, be they recent immigrants or illegals, are getting citizenship while in boot camp. I can confirm this firsthand, and have seen legal federal documents confirming this. I have seen Africans, Central Americans, SE Asians, who came to the U.S. just a few years prior, obtain citizenship before the end of boot camp. The military has become another massive federal jobs program which promises good pay and benefits with a lifetime of many other benefits. It ain't you dad's military anymore.
    , @Chris Mallory

    I can solve part of the problem. Any volunteer of any age who serves 7 years overseas in Army or Marines gets a Green Card and an application to apply for Citizenship along with his honorable discharge.
     
    No, No, and again NO! We do not need a legion of foreigners in the US military with no ties to the traditional American people.

    The US does not need immigrants of any kind. Close the borders and start the deportations.
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  5. KenH says:

    Once again Trump is flip flopping all over the place. I guess this is 4D chess and evidence of his brilliance.

    His tweets seemed to confirm that he struck a deal with (((Chuck U))) and Nancy Peloser and believes, like leftist Dems, the myth that all DREAMers are valedictorians or honorably serving in the U.S. military and thus, national assets and treasures. But then yesterday afternoon his administration denied those claims and said a wall is still under discussion.

    But make no mistake. On paper and officially the “path to legal citizenship” will only be for 800K, which seems trifling, but as with previous amnesties it will end up being 3-5 times that number since 800K is a low ball estimate so as not to provoke and alarm us flyover rubes. And any cases that get rejected will get successfully litigated and overturned by ultra left wing federal judges and probably a few bleeding heart conservative judges.

    After all, aren’t we an “immigrant nation”? And our immigration policy must serve immigrants and their enablers, not citizens. Moreover, accepting the entire third world while defecating on the white majority is “who we are” contrary to this nation’s history and all the evidence.

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  6. @Grandpa Charlie
    Pat nails it again! The "Dunp Trump" movement has nothing to worry about. Lots of us have held on as long as we could, "hoping against hope" but now it's all too blatantly obvious: Trump is a hack. A television huckstering genius ... but essentially nothing but a shill and a hack, who sees the presidency as just another opportunity to add to his personal fortune ... ah well, at least we had the thrill of burying Hillary.

    Yeah, that’s about the size of it, Charlie. Of course, it would have been worse with the Hildabeast, but the “lesser of two evils” deal isn’t gonna cut it anymore – this is an Existential Problem, as in, if this isn’t fixed to a great degree soon, the rest of America’s problems won’t mean squat.

    TWEET TWEET – DISAPPOINTING AS HELL! – TWEET TWEET

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    oops, pulled a boo-boo - links are backwards on my post #6, i.e. 1st link goes to a post about the existential problem of the immigration invasion, and the 2nd link goes to a post about one of the antiChrist runners-up.

    Sorry, it won't might not happen again.

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  7. Isn’t President Trump supposed to be some kind of expert wheeler-dealer or something, even with a book on that? What kind of stupid man makes this kind of deal, and he didn’t have to make ANY kind of deal, but just get one thing at a time done that was within his power as chief executive.

    I do remember what Pat’s title is about – I heard the “read my lips” lie off the lips of that ex-CIA neocon George H.W. Bush back in Pat’s and my (and Grampa Charlies’s) younger days. It’s not much consolation, but I voted against that dude from the get-go. Yes indeed, I saw something on TV in which he gave a short talk – maybe only a few sentences – in Spanish, and a switch clicked in my head (it felt like “fuck that guy!”, as I recall). I voted L against him both times, though in hindsight I should have given Mr. Ross Perot my vote in 1992.

    Whether he wrote a book or not, I’m sure Bush and all the rest of them are better wheeler-dealers than this current president. Now, the deals the other guys made were mostly not in the interest of regular American people at all, unfortunately. The sad thing about this current guy is that IMO, he DOES care about regular Americans, but he’s just been acting like a dumb shit – NOT HELPFUL!

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    Isn’t President Trump supposed to be some kind of expert wheeler-dealer or something, even with a book on that? What kind of stupid man makes this kind of deal, and he didn’t have to make ANY kind of deal, but just get one thing at a time done that was within his power as chief executive.

    Yes, this is what I am thinking. It looks like a 2 dimensional checkers blunder to me. I could be wrong but we will see. If it is what it looks like the next elections will not be pretty for the republicans.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Agreed on many fronts. I too would change my 1992 presidential vote from Libertarian to Ross Perot. Worth a shot.
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  8. @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah, that's about the size of it, Charlie. Of course, it would have been worse with the Hildabeast, but the "lesser of two evils" deal isn't gonna cut it anymore - this is an Existential Problem, as in, if this isn't fixed to a great degree soon, the rest of America's problems won't mean squat.

    TWEET TWEET - DISAPPOINTING AS HELL! - TWEET TWEET

    oops, pulled a boo-boo – links are backwards on my post #6, i.e. 1st link goes to a post about the existential problem of the immigration invasion, and the 2nd link goes to a post about one of the antiChrist runners-up.

    Sorry, it won’t might not happen again.

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  9. Pat, good pencil.

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  10. There was a time when a big issue among conservatives was tax cuts.

    What a stupid time.

    Bush was actually right to go back on his words back then.

    Now, mass colonization is a real issue.

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    As is massive denial.
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  11. Corporatists funding congressional campaigns want to stuff as many “consumers” into the USA as possible, because it is the arbitrage between low-expense manufacturing in foreign countries and high-expense retailing in US stores that feeds Corporate America.

    For 36 years Congress could hike spending and cut taxes, just as now consumers can purchase without having to work (AKA the Jobless Recovery.)

    It’s all via the MAGIC of issuing debt, tantamount to pawning the USA.

    Send all these new “consumers” packing. Export uninvited “guests” and reimport jobs and industry. End this vicious, temporary repeal of economic laws, and can the economist-soothsayers who have given cover for this open and systematic rape of US citizens.

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  12. Ryan says:

    If Trump signs an amnesty bill that’s the end of his political career. It’s mind-blowing that he would be so stupid.

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  13. pyrrhus says:

    Immigration and its accompanying displacement of native workers and massive drain on Federal, State and local treasuries, is THE existential threat to the US….The elites don’t see it impacting them in the short term, so they turn a blind eye to it. They too will pay in the end…

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    I think the threat is the treasonous judiciary who will do the Great Karnak routine with the 14th Amendment and find the right to a free Cadillac if they feel like it. Foreigners with rights health care in the U.S.? But of course. Bankrupt hospitals to provide it? Who cares.

    The illegals didn't do this. Our own sell-out class does.
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  14. He just tweeted out that ending chain migration must be a part of any DACA amnesty to have a deal.

    I vacillate between thinking Trump’s either:

    (1) a Machiavellian genius who is ten steps ahead the rest of us; or
    (2) a bumbling buffoon who has great gut instinct and amazing luck which helps him more than hurts him.

    This one has me baffled though. Could it be as simple as Pat writes above? He did it for the praise from the Dems/MSM but then realized the political implications so he’s now trying to add enough conditions precedent to make it impossible?

    I was furious with him yesterday but then his tweets this morning have me warming back up to him.

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  15. Miro23 says:
    @englishmike

    According to preening Minority Leader Pelosi, the agreement contains not a dime for Trump’s Wall, and the “Dreamers” are to be put on a long glide “path to U.S. citizenship.”

    Trump denies this is amnesty, and says the Wall comes later.
     

    As I am not American, I may be missing the point about these "dreamers".

    Surely they can be put on a long glide "path to US citizenship" by returning them to the country of their birth and inviting them to take their place in the queue of people applying to immigrate legally (I believe Americans call it "standing in line")?

    Among the advantages of this approach are that:
    1. it is fair to the "dreamers", who have had a few years to demonstrate whether they deserve the privilege of US citizenship;
    2. it is fair to those "dreamers" who are found to be more deserving cases than other "dreamers"
    3. if they are unsuccessful it gives them the alternative citizenship that was their birthright;
    4. it preserves the useful distinction between "legal" and "illegal";
    5. it clarifies which of those two categories the supporters of "amnesty" favour.

    In his calm, reasoned, commonsense prose style (which I shall miss), the late Jerry Pournelle was offering his take on the problem in his final blog post before he died. I hope our moderator allows me to quote from it here:


    The news is full of the Dreamers. The Constitution says the President must take care to see that the laws are faithfully enforced. Mr. Trump didn’t want to deport the “Dreamers”, particularly those who have integrated into the society, but the law gives him no leeway, and the Presidential Order Obama signed giving them amnesty is unconstitutional. He solved that dilemma by giving it back to Congress who created it. We’ll now see what happens.
    I can solve part of the problem. Any volunteer of any age who serves 7 years overseas in Army or Marines gets a Green Card and an application to apply for Citizenship along with his honorable discharge. The Citizenship application and test need not be very difficult and I would expect all who applied to pass it. The swearing should be public and conducted by an officer of rank Colonel or above.
    As to girls, we can think of something similar or suitable; they need not join the combat arms. Surgical Assistant comes instantly to mind.
    Their parents are a more difficult problem, and it will take ingenuity to find a path that does not offend the legal immigrants who obeyed the law.
    More later I’m experiencing a wave of nausea.
    Bye for now.
     

    I can solve part of the problem. Any volunteer of any age who serves 7 years overseas in Army or Marines gets a Green Card and an application to apply for Citizenship along with his honorable discharge.

    It would be useful to put the Neo-cons through the same route. It would confirm their loyalty to the US and remove any doubt about it. After 7 years overseas these questions could be laid to rest and Wolfowitz. Medved, Prager, Krauthammer, Feith etc. would confirm their “America First” credentials.

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    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Wasting the taxpayers' money by unnecesssarily, nondefensively, unconstitutionally destroying countries and killing people and alienating people who pose no threat to us where they are, is NOT a service to Americans.

    Don't reward illegal aliens for military quote service unquote. They're not doing us any favors being deployed the way our military has been for decades now.

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  16. Rurik says:

    Steve Bannon / Ann Coulter in 2020

    but in the mean time, get rid of cuck Paul Ryan in 2018!

    http://www.electnehlen.com/

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    Sorry, but no. Bannon was on 60 Minutes saying that white nationalists "have no place in America". Coulter is pretty much great on everything except she has a mental block when it comes to acknowledging black hatred of whites and the disproportionate black on white crime rate.
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  17. KenH says:
    @Rurik
    Steve Bannon / Ann Coulter in 2020

    but in the mean time, get rid of cuck Paul Ryan in 2018!

    http://www.electnehlen.com/

    Sorry, but no. Bannon was on 60 Minutes saying that white nationalists “have no place in America”. Coulter is pretty much great on everything except she has a mental block when it comes to acknowledging black hatred of whites and the disproportionate black on white crime rate.

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    Bannon was on 60 Minutes saying that white nationalists “have no place in America”.
     
    that's a tough one

    we're still operating under the vestiges of a dying republic, and as such, are still practicing a rote form of 'democracy'. Or we'd have a Jeb/Marco cuck or Hillary as potus today. So there's that. And as such, an overtly 'white nationalistic' platform simply will not get the necessary votes.

    pragmatism is the order of the day, I'd posit.

    white men and women should organize for their respective rights, but not in direct opposition to existing communities or interests of existing, American non-whites, (at least insofar as those interests don't violate white folk's interests) here in the ZUS, where ((they)) already have their demographic fait accompli.

    no to immigration, no to affirmative action, no to wars, no to bailouts for banksters and other common sense, mutually beneficial agendas should coalesce whites with all other non-elites for a win/win movement against the ((PTB)). We should make common cause with the working and middle class blacks and browns to try to salvage some tiny hope for all our children, minus the division and rancor ((they)) relentlessly demand we all marinate in.

    It would serve us all to hold the banksters to account. And end immigration and Wall Street looting. These things would materially help not just working and middle class whites, but blacks and browns too.
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  18. Ace says:
    @Priss Factor
    There was a time when a big issue among conservatives was tax cuts.

    What a stupid time.

    Bush was actually right to go back on his words back then.

    Now, mass colonization is a real issue.

    As is massive denial.

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  19. Ace says:
    @pyrrhus
    Immigration and its accompanying displacement of native workers and massive drain on Federal, State and local treasuries, is THE existential threat to the US....The elites don't see it impacting them in the short term, so they turn a blind eye to it. They too will pay in the end...

    I think the threat is the treasonous judiciary who will do the Great Karnak routine with the 14th Amendment and find the right to a free Cadillac if they feel like it. Foreigners with rights health care in the U.S.? But of course. Bankrupt hospitals to provide it? Who cares.

    The illegals didn’t do this. Our own sell-out class does.

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  20. Anonym says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Isn't President Trump supposed to be some kind of expert wheeler-dealer or something, even with a book on that? What kind of stupid man makes this kind of deal, and he didn't have to make ANY kind of deal, but just get one thing at a time done that was within his power as chief executive.

    I do remember what Pat's title is about - I heard the "read my lips" lie off the lips of that ex-CIA neocon George H.W. Bush back in Pat's and my (and Grampa Charlies's) younger days. It's not much consolation, but I voted against that dude from the get-go. Yes indeed, I saw something on TV in which he gave a short talk - maybe only a few sentences - in Spanish, and a switch clicked in my head (it felt like "fuck that guy!", as I recall). I voted L against him both times, though in hindsight I should have given Mr. Ross Perot my vote in 1992.

    Whether he wrote a book or not, I'm sure Bush and all the rest of them are better wheeler-dealers than this current president. Now, the deals the other guys made were mostly not in the interest of regular American people at all, unfortunately. The sad thing about this current guy is that IMO, he DOES care about regular Americans, but he's just been acting like a dumb shit - NOT HELPFUL!

    Isn’t President Trump supposed to be some kind of expert wheeler-dealer or something, even with a book on that? What kind of stupid man makes this kind of deal, and he didn’t have to make ANY kind of deal, but just get one thing at a time done that was within his power as chief executive.

    Yes, this is what I am thinking. It looks like a 2 dimensional checkers blunder to me. I could be wrong but we will see. If it is what it looks like the next elections will not be pretty for the republicans.

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  21. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @englishmike

    According to preening Minority Leader Pelosi, the agreement contains not a dime for Trump’s Wall, and the “Dreamers” are to be put on a long glide “path to U.S. citizenship.”

    Trump denies this is amnesty, and says the Wall comes later.
     

    As I am not American, I may be missing the point about these "dreamers".

    Surely they can be put on a long glide "path to US citizenship" by returning them to the country of their birth and inviting them to take their place in the queue of people applying to immigrate legally (I believe Americans call it "standing in line")?

    Among the advantages of this approach are that:
    1. it is fair to the "dreamers", who have had a few years to demonstrate whether they deserve the privilege of US citizenship;
    2. it is fair to those "dreamers" who are found to be more deserving cases than other "dreamers"
    3. if they are unsuccessful it gives them the alternative citizenship that was their birthright;
    4. it preserves the useful distinction between "legal" and "illegal";
    5. it clarifies which of those two categories the supporters of "amnesty" favour.

    In his calm, reasoned, commonsense prose style (which I shall miss), the late Jerry Pournelle was offering his take on the problem in his final blog post before he died. I hope our moderator allows me to quote from it here:


    The news is full of the Dreamers. The Constitution says the President must take care to see that the laws are faithfully enforced. Mr. Trump didn’t want to deport the “Dreamers”, particularly those who have integrated into the society, but the law gives him no leeway, and the Presidential Order Obama signed giving them amnesty is unconstitutional. He solved that dilemma by giving it back to Congress who created it. We’ll now see what happens.
    I can solve part of the problem. Any volunteer of any age who serves 7 years overseas in Army or Marines gets a Green Card and an application to apply for Citizenship along with his honorable discharge. The Citizenship application and test need not be very difficult and I would expect all who applied to pass it. The swearing should be public and conducted by an officer of rank Colonel or above.
    As to girls, we can think of something similar or suitable; they need not join the combat arms. Surgical Assistant comes instantly to mind.
    Their parents are a more difficult problem, and it will take ingenuity to find a path that does not offend the legal immigrants who obeyed the law.
    More later I’m experiencing a wave of nausea.
    Bye for now.
     

    I can solve part of the problem. Any volunteer of any age who serves 7 years overseas in Army or Marines gets a Green Card and an application to apply for Citizenship along with his honorable discharge. The Citizenship application and test need not be very difficult and I would expect all who applied to pass it. The swearing should be public and conducted by an officer of rank Colonel or above.
    As to girls, we can think of something similar or suitable; they need not join the combat arms. Surgical Assistant comes instantly to mind.
    Their parents are a more difficult problem, and it will take ingenuity to find a path that does not offend the legal immigrants who obeyed the law.

    I work in a job which involves military recruits. I can confirm that non-U.S. citizens, be they recent immigrants or illegals, are getting citizenship while in boot camp. I can confirm this firsthand, and have seen legal federal documents confirming this. I have seen Africans, Central Americans, SE Asians, who came to the U.S. just a few years prior, obtain citizenship before the end of boot camp. The military has become another massive federal jobs program which promises good pay and benefits with a lifetime of many other benefits. It ain’t you dad’s military anymore.

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    . I can confirm that non-U.S. citizens, be they recent immigrants or illegals, are getting citizenship while in boot camp.
     
    Supposedly the Brass just canceled all/most of the recruitment contracts with non citizens.

    From the Washington Post:

    "U.S. Army recruiters have abruptly canceled enlistment contracts for hundreds of foreign-born military recruits since last week, upending their lives and potentially exposing many to deportation, according to several affected recruits and former military officials familiar with their situation.

    Many of these enlistees have waited years to join a troubled recruitment program designed to attract highly skilled immigrants into the service in exchange for fast-track citizenship.

    Now recruits and experts say that recruiters are shedding their contracts to free themselves from an onerous enlistment process, which includes extensive background investigations, to focus on individuals who can more quickly enlist and thus satisfy strict recruitment targets."
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  22. @Grandpa Charlie
    Pat nails it again! The "Dunp Trump" movement has nothing to worry about. Lots of us have held on as long as we could, "hoping against hope" but now it's all too blatantly obvious: Trump is a hack. A television huckstering genius ... but essentially nothing but a shill and a hack, who sees the presidency as just another opportunity to add to his personal fortune ... ah well, at least we had the thrill of burying Hillary.

    …ah well, at least we had the thrill of burying Hillary.

    That would have been good enough, but some of us were also thrilled by the complete annihilation of the whole pack of degenerate Republikkin screwball hyenas as well.

    I guess the mouthy orange tub of lard isn’t all bad!

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  23. This pathetic non-deal sellout by the so-called Artist of the Deal is the last straw.

    Trump is now a schmuck.

    He will have the contempt of millions of former supporters unless and until he reverses this deal,

    and builds the wall,

    and reduces imports,

    and extricates us from foreign entanglements.

    Those are the things we voted for. They are the only reasons we came out for an egotist with a comb-over and a spray tan.

    He’s toast. Burnt orange toast.

    If he doesn’t somehow surprise us in the now-not-so-long run of his term, Trump is going down as a one-termer, a hated president, the one who promised and failed to save the United States when it still might have been possible.

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  24. @englishmike

    According to preening Minority Leader Pelosi, the agreement contains not a dime for Trump’s Wall, and the “Dreamers” are to be put on a long glide “path to U.S. citizenship.”

    Trump denies this is amnesty, and says the Wall comes later.
     

    As I am not American, I may be missing the point about these "dreamers".

    Surely they can be put on a long glide "path to US citizenship" by returning them to the country of their birth and inviting them to take their place in the queue of people applying to immigrate legally (I believe Americans call it "standing in line")?

    Among the advantages of this approach are that:
    1. it is fair to the "dreamers", who have had a few years to demonstrate whether they deserve the privilege of US citizenship;
    2. it is fair to those "dreamers" who are found to be more deserving cases than other "dreamers"
    3. if they are unsuccessful it gives them the alternative citizenship that was their birthright;
    4. it preserves the useful distinction between "legal" and "illegal";
    5. it clarifies which of those two categories the supporters of "amnesty" favour.

    In his calm, reasoned, commonsense prose style (which I shall miss), the late Jerry Pournelle was offering his take on the problem in his final blog post before he died. I hope our moderator allows me to quote from it here:


    The news is full of the Dreamers. The Constitution says the President must take care to see that the laws are faithfully enforced. Mr. Trump didn’t want to deport the “Dreamers”, particularly those who have integrated into the society, but the law gives him no leeway, and the Presidential Order Obama signed giving them amnesty is unconstitutional. He solved that dilemma by giving it back to Congress who created it. We’ll now see what happens.
    I can solve part of the problem. Any volunteer of any age who serves 7 years overseas in Army or Marines gets a Green Card and an application to apply for Citizenship along with his honorable discharge. The Citizenship application and test need not be very difficult and I would expect all who applied to pass it. The swearing should be public and conducted by an officer of rank Colonel or above.
    As to girls, we can think of something similar or suitable; they need not join the combat arms. Surgical Assistant comes instantly to mind.
    Their parents are a more difficult problem, and it will take ingenuity to find a path that does not offend the legal immigrants who obeyed the law.
    More later I’m experiencing a wave of nausea.
    Bye for now.
     

    I can solve part of the problem. Any volunteer of any age who serves 7 years overseas in Army or Marines gets a Green Card and an application to apply for Citizenship along with his honorable discharge.

    No, No, and again NO! We do not need a legion of foreigners in the US military with no ties to the traditional American people.

    The US does not need immigrants of any kind. Close the borders and start the deportations.

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  25. @Anonymous

    I can solve part of the problem. Any volunteer of any age who serves 7 years overseas in Army or Marines gets a Green Card and an application to apply for Citizenship along with his honorable discharge. The Citizenship application and test need not be very difficult and I would expect all who applied to pass it. The swearing should be public and conducted by an officer of rank Colonel or above.
    As to girls, we can think of something similar or suitable; they need not join the combat arms. Surgical Assistant comes instantly to mind.
    Their parents are a more difficult problem, and it will take ingenuity to find a path that does not offend the legal immigrants who obeyed the law.
     
    I work in a job which involves military recruits. I can confirm that non-U.S. citizens, be they recent immigrants or illegals, are getting citizenship while in boot camp. I can confirm this firsthand, and have seen legal federal documents confirming this. I have seen Africans, Central Americans, SE Asians, who came to the U.S. just a few years prior, obtain citizenship before the end of boot camp. The military has become another massive federal jobs program which promises good pay and benefits with a lifetime of many other benefits. It ain't you dad's military anymore.

    . I can confirm that non-U.S. citizens, be they recent immigrants or illegals, are getting citizenship while in boot camp.

    Supposedly the Brass just canceled all/most of the recruitment contracts with non citizens.

    From the Washington Post:

    “U.S. Army recruiters have abruptly canceled enlistment contracts for hundreds of foreign-born military recruits since last week, upending their lives and potentially exposing many to deportation, according to several affected recruits and former military officials familiar with their situation.

    Many of these enlistees have waited years to join a troubled recruitment program designed to attract highly skilled immigrants into the service in exchange for fast-track citizenship.

    Now recruits and experts say that recruiters are shedding their contracts to free themselves from an onerous enlistment process, which includes extensive background investigations, to focus on individuals who can more quickly enlist and thus satisfy strict recruitment targets.”

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    focus on individuals who can more quickly enlist and thus satisfy strict recruitment targets.”
     
    Meeting raw numbers pales into stupidity however, when those raw numbers hit the fleet and the qualitative issues come out. They never learn, OR, recruiters stray or go rogue signing up morons, or those with disabilities or other issues. The AFEES tests and initial interviews at the intake stations ought to halt the process but doesn't.

    Even post-Vietnam they had standards, at least for the Naval Air enlisted types. Officers? Ours were pilots, you can't fake pilot. Of course, they have to force large numbers of unqualified enlisted single-mothers through and only half or 60% of those ever finish four years. A mess, AND, yet another reason the next war can be chalked up as a loss.
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  26. @Achmed E. Newman
    Isn't President Trump supposed to be some kind of expert wheeler-dealer or something, even with a book on that? What kind of stupid man makes this kind of deal, and he didn't have to make ANY kind of deal, but just get one thing at a time done that was within his power as chief executive.

    I do remember what Pat's title is about - I heard the "read my lips" lie off the lips of that ex-CIA neocon George H.W. Bush back in Pat's and my (and Grampa Charlies's) younger days. It's not much consolation, but I voted against that dude from the get-go. Yes indeed, I saw something on TV in which he gave a short talk - maybe only a few sentences - in Spanish, and a switch clicked in my head (it felt like "fuck that guy!", as I recall). I voted L against him both times, though in hindsight I should have given Mr. Ross Perot my vote in 1992.

    Whether he wrote a book or not, I'm sure Bush and all the rest of them are better wheeler-dealers than this current president. Now, the deals the other guys made were mostly not in the interest of regular American people at all, unfortunately. The sad thing about this current guy is that IMO, he DOES care about regular Americans, but he's just been acting like a dumb shit - NOT HELPFUL!

    Agreed on many fronts. I too would change my 1992 presidential vote from Libertarian to Ross Perot. Worth a shot.

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  27. @Miro23

    I can solve part of the problem. Any volunteer of any age who serves 7 years overseas in Army or Marines gets a Green Card and an application to apply for Citizenship along with his honorable discharge.
     
    It would be useful to put the Neo-cons through the same route. It would confirm their loyalty to the US and remove any doubt about it. After 7 years overseas these questions could be laid to rest and Wolfowitz. Medved, Prager, Krauthammer, Feith etc. would confirm their "America First" credentials.

    Wasting the taxpayers’ money by unnecesssarily, nondefensively, unconstitutionally destroying countries and killing people and alienating people who pose no threat to us where they are, is NOT a service to Americans.

    Don’t reward illegal aliens for military quote service unquote. They’re not doing us any favors being deployed the way our military has been for decades now.

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  28. “Undocumented workers”?

    Is that Pat’s own phrasing, or did someone mess with his copy?

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    Mr. Buchanan is being clever and using the left's own terminology in this sentence.
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    @Nicholas Stix
    "Undocumented workers"?

    Is that Pat's own phrasing, or did someone mess with his copy?

    Mr. Buchanan is being clever and using the left’s own terminology in this sentence.

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  30. If white Libs don’t want to live in Mexico or Morocco, why do they try to turn their own nations into Mexico or Morocco?

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  31. Legal immigration was a nightmare for us.

    The harder you make it for legals, the more exceptions you grant for illegals, the more illegal immigration you get.

    And it is self-selection bias. The Amnesty should be for legal immigrants. If you applied legally, you get in. Front of the line.

    Because you are automatically signalling legal intentions, instead of signalling illegal intentions. We are doing it backwards. Here illegally? We’ll process you, don’t worry about the legal immigrants taking up our scarce processing time – what the hell do they think they’re doing applying before entry, doing background checks, health checks, interviews, fingerprints, and etc.

    Applying legally and flunk the health test? No problem, enter illegally through Mexico and we’ll treat it for you. But you can’t enter legally. Under Obama. Talk about Alice in Wonderland.

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  32. @Chris Mallory

    . I can confirm that non-U.S. citizens, be they recent immigrants or illegals, are getting citizenship while in boot camp.
     
    Supposedly the Brass just canceled all/most of the recruitment contracts with non citizens.

    From the Washington Post:

    "U.S. Army recruiters have abruptly canceled enlistment contracts for hundreds of foreign-born military recruits since last week, upending their lives and potentially exposing many to deportation, according to several affected recruits and former military officials familiar with their situation.

    Many of these enlistees have waited years to join a troubled recruitment program designed to attract highly skilled immigrants into the service in exchange for fast-track citizenship.

    Now recruits and experts say that recruiters are shedding their contracts to free themselves from an onerous enlistment process, which includes extensive background investigations, to focus on individuals who can more quickly enlist and thus satisfy strict recruitment targets."

    focus on individuals who can more quickly enlist and thus satisfy strict recruitment targets.”

    Meeting raw numbers pales into stupidity however, when those raw numbers hit the fleet and the qualitative issues come out. They never learn, OR, recruiters stray or go rogue signing up morons, or those with disabilities or other issues. The AFEES tests and initial interviews at the intake stations ought to halt the process but doesn’t.

    Even post-Vietnam they had standards, at least for the Naval Air enlisted types. Officers? Ours were pilots, you can’t fake pilot. Of course, they have to force large numbers of unqualified enlisted single-mothers through and only half or 60% of those ever finish four years. A mess, AND, yet another reason the next war can be chalked up as a loss.

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  33. Rurik says:
    @KenH
    Sorry, but no. Bannon was on 60 Minutes saying that white nationalists "have no place in America". Coulter is pretty much great on everything except she has a mental block when it comes to acknowledging black hatred of whites and the disproportionate black on white crime rate.

    Bannon was on 60 Minutes saying that white nationalists “have no place in America”.

    that’s a tough one

    we’re still operating under the vestiges of a dying republic, and as such, are still practicing a rote form of ‘democracy’. Or we’d have a Jeb/Marco cuck or Hillary as potus today. So there’s that. And as such, an overtly ‘white nationalistic’ platform simply will not get the necessary votes.

    pragmatism is the order of the day, I’d posit.

    white men and women should organize for their respective rights, but not in direct opposition to existing communities or interests of existing, American non-whites, (at least insofar as those interests don’t violate white folk’s interests) here in the ZUS, where ((they)) already have their demographic fait accompli.

    no to immigration, no to affirmative action, no to wars, no to bailouts for banksters and other common sense, mutually beneficial agendas should coalesce whites with all other non-elites for a win/win movement against the ((PTB)). We should make common cause with the working and middle class blacks and browns to try to salvage some tiny hope for all our children, minus the division and rancor ((they)) relentlessly demand we all marinate in.

    It would serve us all to hold the banksters to account. And end immigration and Wall Street looting. These things would materially help not just working and middle class whites, but blacks and browns too.

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