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James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, Illinois, who aspired to end his life as a mass murderer of Republican Congressmen, was a Donald Trump hater and a Bernie Sanders backer.

Like many before him, Hodgkinson was a malevolent man of the hating and hard left.

His planned atrocity failed because two Capitol Hill cops were at that Alexandria baseball field, providing security for House Whip Steve Scalise. Had those cops not been there, a massacre would have ensued with many more dead than the gunman.

Recall. There were no armed citizens at that Tucson grocery in 2011, when six were murdered and Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was gravely wounded along with a dozen others. The nutcase doing the shooting was only wrestled to the ground when he dropped a clip trying to reload.

The Alexandria attack brings back memories of long ago.

A day before my 12th birthday, when I was in Children’s Hospital with a broken leg, my parents brought me the news that Puerto Rican terrorists had just attempted to assassinate Harry Truman at Blair House. A heroic cop, Leslie Coffelt, died stopping them.

In my second year in high school, blocks from the Capitol, Puerto Rican nationalists entered the visitor’s gallery of the House and began firing semiautomatic pistols. Five Congressmen were wounded.

Democratic politics has often proven a dangerous calling.

Abraham Lincoln, James Garfield, William McKinley and JFK — one in every 10 of all our presidents — were assassinated.

Attending a service for a South Carolina Congressman in the Capitol in 1835, President Jackson survived twin misfires of two pistols. Old Hickory used his cane to attack his assailant, who was collared by Congressman Davy Crockett of Tennessee.

As a third-party candidate for president in 1912, Theodore Roosevelt was shot in the chest. “It takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose,” Teddy scoffed, and finished his speech.

In February 1933, President-elect FDR, in Miami, was the target of would-be assassin Giuseppe Zangara, whose arm was jostled at the moment of firing. The bullet killed Chicago Mayor Anton Cermak.

Between the assassination of JFK in 1963 and near-mortal wounding of President Reagan by John Hinckley in 1981, Martin Luther King was murdered in Memphis in April 1968, and Sen. Robert Kennedy, two months later, in Los Angeles.

Presidential candidate George Wallace, campaigning in Laurel, Maryland, was shot five times in May 1972 by Arthur Bremer, who had spent weeks stalking President Nixon. President Ford was the target of two attempts on his life in 1975, the first by a Manson Family hanger-on Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme, the second by radical leftist Sara Jane Moore.

What drove the assassins?

In the early 20th century, it was anarchism. McKinley was killed by anarchist Leon Czolgosz in Buffalo, New York.

In 1919, Carlo Valdinaci tried to assassinate Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer with a bomb on his porch at 2132 R Street. Valdinoci tripped on a wicket and his dynamite bomb exploded prematurely, blasting Carlo’s body parts all over the neighborhood.

Palmer’s neighbor across the street, Assistant Secretary of the Navy Franklin Roosevelt, rushed over to help.

Palmer ordered a roundup of anarchists in what came to be known as “Palmer Raids,” and put in charge of field operations a 24-year-old lawyer and D.C. law-enforcement prodigy by the name of John Edgar Hoover.

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Hoover’s career flourished. But the career of America’s most famous anarchist, Emma Goldman, faded. She and ex-lover Alexander Berkman, who had tried to kill Carnegie Steel’s Henry Clay Frick during the violent Homestead Strike of 1892, were rounded up and deported in 1920 with hundreds of anarchists to the new Russia of Lenin and Trotsky in a ship the press dubbed “the Red Ark.”

A. Mitchell Palmer did not get the 1920 presidential nomination he was seeking. But neighbor FDR did make it onto the ticket.

As radical anarchists were the principal terrorists of the first quarter of the 20th century, and Puerto Rican nationalist-terrorists dominated the 1950s, the 1960s and early 1970s were marked by the seemingly endless violence of the hard left, beginning with the Communist Oswald, who had tried to shoot Gen. Edwin Walker in Dallas before killing JFK.

The campus violence and urban riots of the decade, from Harlem to Watts to Newark and Detroit, to Washington, D.C., and 100 cities after Dr. King’s death, were not the work of the Goldwater right.

Those were the days of the Black Panthers, Students for a Democratic Society, Weatherman and the Symbionese Liberation Army. It was America’s radical left shooting cops and burning down ROTC buildings. Leftist violence propelled the political careers of Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan.

As for James Hodgkinson, he was a Trump-hating left-wing terrorist.

And those who incite sick minds with images of a bloodstained decapitated head of the president, and cheer Central Park productions of “Julius Caesar” with the assassinated Roman Consul made up to look like the president, cannot evade moral culpability.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Hodgkinson was an American HERO!!!!….we need MORE heroes like Hodgkinson gunning down these cockroaches!!!

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    Hodgkinson was a cockroach.
    , @David
    The real Ol' War for wouldn't say this! This is a devious someone writing BIAIR instead of BLAIR.

    If it's a regular commenter here, Mr Unz, he should be exposed.

    , @MEexpert
    You are a sick man.
    , @War for Blair Mountain
    I am the real War for Blair Mountain...the first commenter in this thread is using my handle....With high probability it is the commenter who uses the handle "Corvinus"....who has been egging on Unz Review Commenters over the past several months to engage in political violence....

    For the record I CATEGORICALLY oppose political assasinations...the only thing I ever advocated was not voting

    Unz Review MODS.....I presume you can yell from under-the-hood-information that the first commenter in this thread is not the authentic War for Blair Mountain...but with high probability commenter "Corvinus"...who I presume is not affiliated with Unz Revirew...it would really tragic if it he or she was....
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  2. Oswald was not a Communist, did not shoot at General Edwin Walker, and did not assassinate John F. Kennedy. See

    https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/judyth-baker-lee-harvey-oswald-did-not-shoot-at-general-walker/

    The Report of the Warren Commission was a fabrication by the Deep State to deflect blame from the real conspirator: Lyndon Baines Johnson.

    Once again, Pat Buchanan fails the test as an historian.

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    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    Well, it's true that there is no credible evidence that "Oswald" shot at anyone, ever, (See Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry's comment in his own book that "we never could put Oswald up there in that window") but there is also no credible evidence that LBJ was the "real conspirator" who masterminded the assassination.

    LBJ knew the Deep State had murdered his predecessor, and admitted it late in life in a TV interview.

    LBJ was guilty of allowing the American public to be misled by the stupid (and completely false) Warren Report. The Warren Commissioners themselves had real doubts about many of the major conclusions they reached in their own report - yet those doubts were hidden from the public.

    Don't take my word for it - that's what WC member Gerald Ford said of Earl Warren's role in erasing from the official transcript of the September, 1964 WC hearing the lengthy dissent of WC member Richard Russell about the single bullet theory.

    When Richard Russell explained in a recorded phone call to LBJ that he "never believed that whole bullet business", LBJ replied "I don't either."

    To this day, the Deep State hides the fact that the WC members themselves did not believe key conclusions of their own report.

    https://youtu.be/sGqvhn93qos
    , @Anon
    I have no idea and less care whether Oswald shot Kennedy or Walker, but surely it's fairly established that he was a Communist, even attempting to defect to Russia (and coming back when he found it didn't really suit him)?
    , @RabbiHighComma
    "Oswald was not a Communist..."

    Here's a photograph of his handwritten request for membership in the Communist Party USA.

    http://www.antiquetrader.com/antiques/antiques-americana/historical-pieces-including-lee-harvey-oswald-letter-headlining-700-lot-auction
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  3. Pat obviously didn’t get the memo. It’s not the MSM and its 24/7 hate-on for Trump … It’s Trump’s Tweets that are driving them mad. I know, ‘cos Scott Pelley at CBS told us so.

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    Indeed, fighting back cannot be tolerated.
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  4. Do you have evidence for any of these assertions, Pat?

    James T. Hodgkinson . . .who
    (1) aspired to end his life as a mass murderer of Republican Congressmen,
    (2) was a Donald Trump hater

    and a Bernie Sanders backer.

    Like many before him, Hodgkinson

    (3) was a malevolent man
    of the hating and hard left.

    (4) His planned atrocity . . .

    As for the implications in this next bit:

    . . .failed because two Capitol Hill cops were at that Alexandria baseball field, providing security for House Whip Steve Scalise. Had those cops not been there, a massacre would have ensued with many more dead than the gunman.

    What information do we have about whose bullet(s) injured Scalise?
    Did Hodgkinson have a history of gun ownership, gun use?
    Did he own the gun alleged to be in his possession in Alexandria? Did the bullet that went through Scalise’s body come from a gun that was owned by Hodgkinson?
    As I recall, initial reports stated that Hodgkinson was “in custody,” presumably, alive. When did he die? Under what circumstances? Where? Who witnessed his death? Trump made the announcement that the shooter was dead. Is “coroner” among the authorities of the presidency?

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    • Replies: @Wally
    I guess the fact that the rifle used was registered to Hodgkinson doesn't count.

    James T. Hodgkinson: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
    http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/james-hodgkinson-donald-trump-facebook-posts-views-beliefs-liberal-shooter/

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/875002544279490562

    Put down the bottle.

    , @RobinG
    S2, "Had those cops not been there, a massacre would have ensued with many more dead than the gunman," is a direct quote from Rand Paul, who was at the practice. Whether that was a certainty or not, who knows, but it was Rand's impression.

    You're free to disbelieve whatever forensics the Alexandria Police, FBI, etc. come up with. There's video made by a guy who was walking his dog. Scalise had been shot and was lying on the field before the Capitol Police got there. (They had been sitting in their SUV outside the field.) Perhaps you believe that Hodgkinson was just discharging wildly from the stands above the dugout, while some other shooter nailed Scalise.
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  5. @War for Biair Mountain
    Hodgkinson was an American HERO!!!!….we need MORE heroes like Hodgkinson gunning down these cockroaches!!!

    Hodgkinson was a cockroach.

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  6. TG says:

    Cry racist and let slip the dogs of political correctness!

    One must be reminded that all those mindless “Trump haters” are not in any sense of the word liberals or ‘left’. They are useful idiots in the service of an increasingly corrupt and self-serving establishment, agents of chaos and distraction funded by powerful interests that have only their own profits in mind. It’s like throwing a wasp’s nest at an enemy: the wasps will sting your victim only because they have been riled up and riled up wasps sting whatever is placed before them. But the notion that people like George Soros – who made like a billion pounds shafting the average Briton, and never met cheap labor/slave labor/a public bailout that he didn’t like – is in any sense a liberal or left is laughable.

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  7. anarchyst says:

    There are those who criticize Trump for using Twitter to get his message out. Trump is a smart man who KNOWS that, if he relied on the so-called “mainstream media”, his messages would be “filtered”, twisted and censored.
    What better way to get your message out than to use Twitter? There is absolutely NO WAY for the mainstream media to “twist” the message. Trump knows exactly what he is doing…

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  8. David says:
    @War for Biair Mountain
    Hodgkinson was an American HERO!!!!….we need MORE heroes like Hodgkinson gunning down these cockroaches!!!

    The real Ol’ War for wouldn’t say this! This is a devious someone writing BIAIR instead of BLAIR.

    If it’s a regular commenter here, Mr Unz, he should be exposed.

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    Thank you David...I am someone who voted enthusiastically for Donald Trump(only to dissapointed like 99 percent of all Unz Review commenters...)

    I believe the little shit who is using my handle.....is a wrinkly Old Queen in a granny gown sitting before a glowing computer screen...demographic profile of the aging National Review Readership.....of course this would finger commenter "CORVINUS"....who hasn't gotten over the good beating that I have administered to him....

    It's got Cornivus fingerprints all over it...Cornivus has been egging on Unz Review Commenters to commit political acts of violence for months....
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  9. Agent76 says:

    Lets put this in proper perspective.

    Jun 6, 2017 America’s Reign of Terror: A Nation Reaps What It Sows

    The U.S. government is creating the terror. It is, in fact, the source of the terror. Just think about it for a minute: almost every tyranny being perpetrated against the citizenry—purportedly to keep us safe and the nation secure—has come about as a result of some threat manufactured in one way or another by the U.S. government.

    NOVEMBER 14, 2005 FAKE TERRORISM – THE ROAD TO DICTATORSHIP (HISTORICAL REVIEW)

    Terrorism does not emerge by accident but is usually sponsored by the state to serve the demands of a powerful elite, as can be seen in the creation of Osama bin Laden’s al-Qa’ida.

    http://www.arcticbeacon.com/greg/headlines/the-hidden-face-of-terrorism/

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    who said it --

    "We underscore that states that sponsor terrorism risk falling victim to the evil they promote."
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  10. @Agent76
    Lets put this in proper perspective.

    Jun 6, 2017 America’s Reign of Terror: A Nation Reaps What It Sows

    The U.S. government is creating the terror. It is, in fact, the source of the terror. Just think about it for a minute: almost every tyranny being perpetrated against the citizenry—purportedly to keep us safe and the nation secure—has come about as a result of some threat manufactured in one way or another by the U.S. government.

    https://youtu.be/iXlVT7Icldc

    NOVEMBER 14, 2005 FAKE TERRORISM – THE ROAD TO DICTATORSHIP (HISTORICAL REVIEW)

    Terrorism does not emerge by accident but is usually sponsored by the state to serve the demands of a powerful elite, as can be seen in the creation of Osama bin Laden’s al-Qa’ida.

    http://www.arcticbeacon.com/greg/headlines/the-hidden-face-of-terrorism/

    who said it –

    “We underscore that states that sponsor terrorism risk falling victim to the evil they promote.”

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  12. Wally says:
    @The Alarmist
    Pat obviously didn't get the memo. It's not the MSM and its 24/7 hate-on for Trump ... It's Trump's Tweets that are driving them mad. I know, 'cos Scott Pelley at CBS told us so.

    Indeed, fighting back cannot be tolerated.

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  13. Wally says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Do you have evidence for any of these assertions, Pat?

    James T. Hodgkinson . . .who
    (1) aspired to end his life as a mass murderer of Republican Congressmen,
    (2) was a Donald Trump hater

    and a Bernie Sanders backer.

    Like many before him, Hodgkinson

    (3) was a malevolent man
    of the hating and hard left.

    (4) His planned atrocity . . .
     
    As for the implications in this next bit:

    . . .failed because two Capitol Hill cops were at that Alexandria baseball field, providing security for House Whip Steve Scalise. Had those cops not been there, a massacre would have ensued with many more dead than the gunman.
     
    What information do we have about whose bullet(s) injured Scalise?
    Did Hodgkinson have a history of gun ownership, gun use?
    Did he own the gun alleged to be in his possession in Alexandria? Did the bullet that went through Scalise's body come from a gun that was owned by Hodgkinson?
    As I recall, initial reports stated that Hodgkinson was "in custody," presumably, alive. When did he die? Under what circumstances? Where? Who witnessed his death? Trump made the announcement that the shooter was dead. Is "coroner" among the authorities of the presidency?

    I guess the fact that the rifle used was registered to Hodgkinson doesn’t count.

    James T. Hodgkinson: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

    http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/james-hodgkinson-donald-trump-facebook-posts-views-beliefs-liberal-shooter/

    Put down the bottle.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    "Put down the bottle."

    Asking for facts & chain of evidence is drunken behavior?

    I don't think so.
    I think it's essential to approach the situation with critical skepticism.

    imo Buchanan dashed off a rather thoughtless and basically pointless rant; he's entitled to rant, but he has a megaphone, and it's too bad he didn't use it to better effect in this article.

    If Pat had wanted to highlight patterns, he might have noted the curious fact that, just as in Orlando and Paris and Manchester and London and so many other instances of "terror" "massacre," the shooter ends up dead but he is clearly identified. Am I the only one who finds that pattern suspect?

    I maintain there are a lot of open questions regarding the shooting of Scalise by "Hodgkinson."

    I track C Span -- I don't watch any other cable or broadcast news/infotainment. I consider C Span to be a tool controlled by the deep state, dedicated to the purpose of shaping/conditioning the public mind -- formatting the mass cognitive map. When I listen to C Span I pay careful attention to what is NOT said; what is pointedly (from my perspective) avoided or, if such a point is accidentally raised by a caller, that unacceptable point is buried by one technique or another.

    C Span has guided the 'public' discourse to reaffirm an ordained narrative: everybody agrees that Hodgkinson shot Scalise because he hated Trump/Republicans; "40" or "50" shot were fired -- which one hit Scalise? who shot Hodgkinson? These are not difficult questions to resolve but the information is important.

    In C Span- think, the solution(s) to evil acts like this are:
    1. arm Congress
    2. get guns out of the hands of the public
    3. get more guns into the hands of the public
    4. provide more mental health coverage
    5. promote greater civility in discourse

    "Blame" for this situation is vested, primarily, in the nasty rhetoric of Trump; in the divisiveness of the political parties in Congress; in the gun lobby and gun makers; and economic stressors that have aggravated the public to the point that some less-mentally stable people implode/act out.

    NO MENTION whatsoever of what seems to me the most obvious causal factor: the US solves problems by killing: it is a militarized culture. The American people are led to cheer when a "bad guy" is killed; Americans snore when masses of innocent citizens in far away places are killed by US action or proxies.

    NO MENTION that it is not possible to control or call to account Congress by any means: budgets & massive debt are meaningless to Congress: the Fed will print more paper. Congress does not fear its electorate, it fears its financiers. "BIair Mountain" - a first-time commenter & an insidious form of sock puppet, nevertheless reflected a sentiment that we would do well to consider seriously: Congress responds to NO OTHER form of popular activism: millions protested against Iraq war -- they were brushed aside; hundreds of thousands phoned & messaged Congress in opposition to a bank bail out; they were ignored. Congress responds only to Netanyahu and lobby money. This shooting was a wake-up call to Congress: they are not as invulnerable as they have been habituated to believe over long years of carrying on without accountability.

    Some may object, but it seems to me one of the most obvious comparisons C Span producers should have called upon would be the attack in Iran -- on Iran's parliament, no less. The fact that C Span chose not to deal with that obvious parallel action causes this tinfoil hatted individual to suspect that US government was complicit in the attack in Iran. Dana Rohrabacher, no stranger to off - the-wall utterances, said it was a "good thing" that ISIS killed 12 people in Iran's seat of government:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/337274-gop-lawmaker-wasnt-isis-terror-attack-in-iran-a-good-thing

    Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) said during a House hearing on Hezbollah “isn’t a good thing for us to have the United States finally backing up Sunnis who will attack Hezbollah and the Shiite threat to us?”

    “Isn’t that a good thing?” he said. “And if so, maybe this is a Trump — maybe it’s a Trump strategy of actually supporting one groups against another, considering that you have two terrorist organizations.
     
    Congress doubled down on the trajectory Rohrabacher suggested, if not the actual act, in increasing sanctions on Iran; and Rex Tillerson short-stopped the action by putting Iran on notice that US intends regime change in Iran.

    IF the Trump administration and Republicans (and Democrats) are not at all averse to carrying out acts of terror against the Iranian parliament; and if the US foreign policy establishment at the highest level is not concerned about violating basic United Nations sanctions against interference in internal politics of a UN-member nation, then why should we be shy as a virgin and refuse to suppose, even for a fleeting, disloyal minute, that the gunfight in the Alexandria ball field was not an operation carried out by a lawless US government establishment, or a rogue element within it?
    , @Drunken Sailor
    [Select a single Handle and stick with it, or use Anonymous/Anon.]

    Yes, put down the bottle and pick up some Super Male Vitality! I get all my news from Alex Jones, the big stud.

    Would you explain to us again how the whole gun ownership/freedom thing is supposed to work?

    I have a gun. Therefore I am free.

    I mean, I don´t actually use it, or anything. It´s just here, making me free.

    Just sitting here, you know, enjoying my freedom.

    Hey, I´ve got a great idea! Why don´t I buy another gun? IIf one gun makes me free, another one will make me that much more free!

    Does it really work that way? (And no, I don´t hate guns or condone the violence).
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  14. @Wally
    I guess the fact that the rifle used was registered to Hodgkinson doesn't count.

    James T. Hodgkinson: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
    http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/james-hodgkinson-donald-trump-facebook-posts-views-beliefs-liberal-shooter/

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/875002544279490562

    Put down the bottle.

    “Put down the bottle.”

    Asking for facts & chain of evidence is drunken behavior?

    I don’t think so.
    I think it’s essential to approach the situation with critical skepticism.

    imo Buchanan dashed off a rather thoughtless and basically pointless rant; he’s entitled to rant, but he has a megaphone, and it’s too bad he didn’t use it to better effect in this article.

    If Pat had wanted to highlight patterns, he might have noted the curious fact that, just as in Orlando and Paris and Manchester and London and so many other instances of “terror” “massacre,” the shooter ends up dead but he is clearly identified. Am I the only one who finds that pattern suspect?

    I maintain there are a lot of open questions regarding the shooting of Scalise by “Hodgkinson.”

    I track C Span — I don’t watch any other cable or broadcast news/infotainment. I consider C Span to be a tool controlled by the deep state, dedicated to the purpose of shaping/conditioning the public mind — formatting the mass cognitive map. When I listen to C Span I pay careful attention to what is NOT said; what is pointedly (from my perspective) avoided or, if such a point is accidentally raised by a caller, that unacceptable point is buried by one technique or another.

    C Span has guided the ‘public’ discourse to reaffirm an ordained narrative: everybody agrees that Hodgkinson shot Scalise because he hated Trump/Republicans; “40″ or “50″ shot were fired — which one hit Scalise? who shot Hodgkinson? These are not difficult questions to resolve but the information is important.

    In C Span- think, the solution(s) to evil acts like this are:
    1. arm Congress
    2. get guns out of the hands of the public
    3. get more guns into the hands of the public
    4. provide more mental health coverage
    5. promote greater civility in discourse

    “Blame” for this situation is vested, primarily, in the nasty rhetoric of Trump; in the divisiveness of the political parties in Congress; in the gun lobby and gun makers; and economic stressors that have aggravated the public to the point that some less-mentally stable people implode/act out.

    NO MENTION whatsoever of what seems to me the most obvious causal factor: the US solves problems by killing: it is a militarized culture. The American people are led to cheer when a “bad guy” is killed; Americans snore when masses of innocent citizens in far away places are killed by US action or proxies.

    NO MENTION that it is not possible to control or call to account Congress by any means: budgets & massive debt are meaningless to Congress: the Fed will print more paper. Congress does not fear its electorate, it fears its financiers. “BIair Mountain” – a first-time commenter & an insidious form of sock puppet, nevertheless reflected a sentiment that we would do well to consider seriously: Congress responds to NO OTHER form of popular activism: millions protested against Iraq war — they were brushed aside; hundreds of thousands phoned & messaged Congress in opposition to a bank bail out; they were ignored. Congress responds only to Netanyahu and lobby money. This shooting was a wake-up call to Congress: they are not as invulnerable as they have been habituated to believe over long years of carrying on without accountability.

    Some may object, but it seems to me one of the most obvious comparisons C Span producers should have called upon would be the attack in Iran — on Iran’s parliament, no less. The fact that C Span chose not to deal with that obvious parallel action causes this tinfoil hatted individual to suspect that US government was complicit in the attack in Iran. Dana Rohrabacher, no stranger to off – the-wall utterances, said it was a “good thing” that ISIS killed 12 people in Iran’s seat of government:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/337274-gop-lawmaker-wasnt-isis-terror-attack-in-iran-a-good-thing

    Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) said during a House hearing on Hezbollah “isn’t a good thing for us to have the United States finally backing up Sunnis who will attack Hezbollah and the Shiite threat to us?”

    “Isn’t that a good thing?” he said. “And if so, maybe this is a Trump — maybe it’s a Trump strategy of actually supporting one groups against another, considering that you have two terrorist organizations.

    Congress doubled down on the trajectory Rohrabacher suggested, if not the actual act, in increasing sanctions on Iran; and Rex Tillerson short-stopped the action by putting Iran on notice that US intends regime change in Iran.

    IF the Trump administration and Republicans (and Democrats) are not at all averse to carrying out acts of terror against the Iranian parliament; and if the US foreign policy establishment at the highest level is not concerned about violating basic United Nations sanctions against interference in internal politics of a UN-member nation, then why should we be shy as a virgin and refuse to suppose, even for a fleeting, disloyal minute, that the gunfight in the Alexandria ball field was not an operation carried out by a lawless US government establishment, or a rogue element within it?

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    "Dana Rohrabacher, no stranger to off – the-wall utterances, said it was a “good thing” that ISIS killed 12 people in Iran’s seat of government."
     
    One of the reasons we have (had?) a policy of not targetting heads of state for assassination was essentially the sauce-for-the-goose principle. When a US Rep says something like that, he is essentially saying that it is open season on the US Congress as well.
    , @El Dato
    Hear! Hear!
    , @Horseguards
    SolontoCroesus,

    Excellent post.

    If a foreign government kills innocent people, then is killing innocent people of that foreign government legitimate?
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  15. Anonyme says:

    I’m no expert on weapons or hunting, but if you’re going to shoot congressmen, shouldn’t you use a varmint rifle?

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    "I’m no expert on weapons or hunting, but if you’re going to shoot congressmen, shouldn’t you use a varmint rifle?"
     
    I thought liberals were all for trap-and-release. This guy must have been really rabid.
    , @Horseguards
    Perhaps a Mannlicher Carcano Rifle which, with only one bullet, can shoot two people, exit, change direction, re-enter victims, disappear, deposit itself and hide on a gurney, and suddenly appear again at a convenient time. The only drawback is its inconsistency.
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  16. @Wally
    I guess the fact that the rifle used was registered to Hodgkinson doesn't count.

    James T. Hodgkinson: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
    http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/james-hodgkinson-donald-trump-facebook-posts-views-beliefs-liberal-shooter/

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/875002544279490562

    Put down the bottle.

    [Select a single Handle and stick with it, or use Anonymous/Anon.]

    Yes, put down the bottle and pick up some Super Male Vitality! I get all my news from Alex Jones, the big stud.

    Would you explain to us again how the whole gun ownership/freedom thing is supposed to work?

    I have a gun. Therefore I am free.

    I mean, I don´t actually use it, or anything. It´s just here, making me free.

    Just sitting here, you know, enjoying my freedom.

    Hey, I´ve got a great idea! Why don´t I buy another gun? IIf one gun makes me free, another one will make me that much more free!

    Does it really work that way? (And no, I don´t hate guns or condone the violence).

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  17. Pat packed more punch in this piece:

    Deep State Sabotaging Trump Agenda

    http://www.fgfbooks.com/PatBuchanan/170615Buchanan.html

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  18. MEexpert says:
    @War for Biair Mountain
    Hodgkinson was an American HERO!!!!….we need MORE heroes like Hodgkinson gunning down these cockroaches!!!

    You are a sick man.

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    I ask the Unz Review MODS to remove the comments of the commenter using my handle...

    ["Biair" isn't "Blair" though they look very similar, depending upon the font. And unfortunately, the IP doesn't reveal the commenter.]
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  19. @SolontoCroesus
    "Put down the bottle."

    Asking for facts & chain of evidence is drunken behavior?

    I don't think so.
    I think it's essential to approach the situation with critical skepticism.

    imo Buchanan dashed off a rather thoughtless and basically pointless rant; he's entitled to rant, but he has a megaphone, and it's too bad he didn't use it to better effect in this article.

    If Pat had wanted to highlight patterns, he might have noted the curious fact that, just as in Orlando and Paris and Manchester and London and so many other instances of "terror" "massacre," the shooter ends up dead but he is clearly identified. Am I the only one who finds that pattern suspect?

    I maintain there are a lot of open questions regarding the shooting of Scalise by "Hodgkinson."

    I track C Span -- I don't watch any other cable or broadcast news/infotainment. I consider C Span to be a tool controlled by the deep state, dedicated to the purpose of shaping/conditioning the public mind -- formatting the mass cognitive map. When I listen to C Span I pay careful attention to what is NOT said; what is pointedly (from my perspective) avoided or, if such a point is accidentally raised by a caller, that unacceptable point is buried by one technique or another.

    C Span has guided the 'public' discourse to reaffirm an ordained narrative: everybody agrees that Hodgkinson shot Scalise because he hated Trump/Republicans; "40" or "50" shot were fired -- which one hit Scalise? who shot Hodgkinson? These are not difficult questions to resolve but the information is important.

    In C Span- think, the solution(s) to evil acts like this are:
    1. arm Congress
    2. get guns out of the hands of the public
    3. get more guns into the hands of the public
    4. provide more mental health coverage
    5. promote greater civility in discourse

    "Blame" for this situation is vested, primarily, in the nasty rhetoric of Trump; in the divisiveness of the political parties in Congress; in the gun lobby and gun makers; and economic stressors that have aggravated the public to the point that some less-mentally stable people implode/act out.

    NO MENTION whatsoever of what seems to me the most obvious causal factor: the US solves problems by killing: it is a militarized culture. The American people are led to cheer when a "bad guy" is killed; Americans snore when masses of innocent citizens in far away places are killed by US action or proxies.

    NO MENTION that it is not possible to control or call to account Congress by any means: budgets & massive debt are meaningless to Congress: the Fed will print more paper. Congress does not fear its electorate, it fears its financiers. "BIair Mountain" - a first-time commenter & an insidious form of sock puppet, nevertheless reflected a sentiment that we would do well to consider seriously: Congress responds to NO OTHER form of popular activism: millions protested against Iraq war -- they were brushed aside; hundreds of thousands phoned & messaged Congress in opposition to a bank bail out; they were ignored. Congress responds only to Netanyahu and lobby money. This shooting was a wake-up call to Congress: they are not as invulnerable as they have been habituated to believe over long years of carrying on without accountability.

    Some may object, but it seems to me one of the most obvious comparisons C Span producers should have called upon would be the attack in Iran -- on Iran's parliament, no less. The fact that C Span chose not to deal with that obvious parallel action causes this tinfoil hatted individual to suspect that US government was complicit in the attack in Iran. Dana Rohrabacher, no stranger to off - the-wall utterances, said it was a "good thing" that ISIS killed 12 people in Iran's seat of government:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/337274-gop-lawmaker-wasnt-isis-terror-attack-in-iran-a-good-thing

    Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) said during a House hearing on Hezbollah “isn’t a good thing for us to have the United States finally backing up Sunnis who will attack Hezbollah and the Shiite threat to us?”

    “Isn’t that a good thing?” he said. “And if so, maybe this is a Trump — maybe it’s a Trump strategy of actually supporting one groups against another, considering that you have two terrorist organizations.
     
    Congress doubled down on the trajectory Rohrabacher suggested, if not the actual act, in increasing sanctions on Iran; and Rex Tillerson short-stopped the action by putting Iran on notice that US intends regime change in Iran.

    IF the Trump administration and Republicans (and Democrats) are not at all averse to carrying out acts of terror against the Iranian parliament; and if the US foreign policy establishment at the highest level is not concerned about violating basic United Nations sanctions against interference in internal politics of a UN-member nation, then why should we be shy as a virgin and refuse to suppose, even for a fleeting, disloyal minute, that the gunfight in the Alexandria ball field was not an operation carried out by a lawless US government establishment, or a rogue element within it?

    “Dana Rohrabacher, no stranger to off – the-wall utterances, said it was a “good thing” that ISIS killed 12 people in Iran’s seat of government.”

    One of the reasons we have (had?) a policy of not targetting heads of state for assassination was essentially the sauce-for-the-goose principle. When a US Rep says something like that, he is essentially saying that it is open season on the US Congress as well.

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  20. @Anonyme
    I'm no expert on weapons or hunting, but if you're going to shoot congressmen, shouldn't you use a varmint rifle?

    “I’m no expert on weapons or hunting, but if you’re going to shoot congressmen, shouldn’t you use a varmint rifle?”

    I thought liberals were all for trap-and-release. This guy must have been really rabid.

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  21. KenH says:

    Democrats and the radical & loony left are incapable of soul searching or feeling shame. They are consumed by raw, unadulterated hatred of all non-leftists owing to the 24/7/365 hate propaganda they imbibe.

    You either agree with them or you’re a knotsy deserving of death. So I don’t expect that this shooting will encourage them to tone down their rhetoric and it may galvanize them even further possibly leading to copycat shootings and more violence.

    From my perspective Scalise is one of the few good guys and I just wish it would have been mushy moderate and pro-amnesty Republican Jeff the Flake who took the brunt of the shooting.

    Trump’s laughable calls for unity are understandable but we’re well beyond the point of political talk therapy. Either we face facts and start working out a plan for partition of America along racial and political lines or we descend into a violent civil war to control the levers of power in D.C. Since the former doesn’t suit the interests of a certain (((group))) of people then the latter is a certainty especially since states and municipalities controlled by left wing Democrats are increasingly refusing to protect the lives and property of their political opponents.

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    " It may galvanize them ever further" Amen bro.

    And you can bet your bottom buck that 99% of them, deep down inside, agree with the shooting, as they agree with any action which strives to further their "Cause".

    I can vivedly recall the German leftist anti-violence nutcases soliciting funds for the South-American leftist "Liberation" wars: Pacifists collecting money for weapons.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet and pro jazz musician.
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  22. El Dato says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    "Put down the bottle."

    Asking for facts & chain of evidence is drunken behavior?

    I don't think so.
    I think it's essential to approach the situation with critical skepticism.

    imo Buchanan dashed off a rather thoughtless and basically pointless rant; he's entitled to rant, but he has a megaphone, and it's too bad he didn't use it to better effect in this article.

    If Pat had wanted to highlight patterns, he might have noted the curious fact that, just as in Orlando and Paris and Manchester and London and so many other instances of "terror" "massacre," the shooter ends up dead but he is clearly identified. Am I the only one who finds that pattern suspect?

    I maintain there are a lot of open questions regarding the shooting of Scalise by "Hodgkinson."

    I track C Span -- I don't watch any other cable or broadcast news/infotainment. I consider C Span to be a tool controlled by the deep state, dedicated to the purpose of shaping/conditioning the public mind -- formatting the mass cognitive map. When I listen to C Span I pay careful attention to what is NOT said; what is pointedly (from my perspective) avoided or, if such a point is accidentally raised by a caller, that unacceptable point is buried by one technique or another.

    C Span has guided the 'public' discourse to reaffirm an ordained narrative: everybody agrees that Hodgkinson shot Scalise because he hated Trump/Republicans; "40" or "50" shot were fired -- which one hit Scalise? who shot Hodgkinson? These are not difficult questions to resolve but the information is important.

    In C Span- think, the solution(s) to evil acts like this are:
    1. arm Congress
    2. get guns out of the hands of the public
    3. get more guns into the hands of the public
    4. provide more mental health coverage
    5. promote greater civility in discourse

    "Blame" for this situation is vested, primarily, in the nasty rhetoric of Trump; in the divisiveness of the political parties in Congress; in the gun lobby and gun makers; and economic stressors that have aggravated the public to the point that some less-mentally stable people implode/act out.

    NO MENTION whatsoever of what seems to me the most obvious causal factor: the US solves problems by killing: it is a militarized culture. The American people are led to cheer when a "bad guy" is killed; Americans snore when masses of innocent citizens in far away places are killed by US action or proxies.

    NO MENTION that it is not possible to control or call to account Congress by any means: budgets & massive debt are meaningless to Congress: the Fed will print more paper. Congress does not fear its electorate, it fears its financiers. "BIair Mountain" - a first-time commenter & an insidious form of sock puppet, nevertheless reflected a sentiment that we would do well to consider seriously: Congress responds to NO OTHER form of popular activism: millions protested against Iraq war -- they were brushed aside; hundreds of thousands phoned & messaged Congress in opposition to a bank bail out; they were ignored. Congress responds only to Netanyahu and lobby money. This shooting was a wake-up call to Congress: they are not as invulnerable as they have been habituated to believe over long years of carrying on without accountability.

    Some may object, but it seems to me one of the most obvious comparisons C Span producers should have called upon would be the attack in Iran -- on Iran's parliament, no less. The fact that C Span chose not to deal with that obvious parallel action causes this tinfoil hatted individual to suspect that US government was complicit in the attack in Iran. Dana Rohrabacher, no stranger to off - the-wall utterances, said it was a "good thing" that ISIS killed 12 people in Iran's seat of government:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/337274-gop-lawmaker-wasnt-isis-terror-attack-in-iran-a-good-thing

    Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) said during a House hearing on Hezbollah “isn’t a good thing for us to have the United States finally backing up Sunnis who will attack Hezbollah and the Shiite threat to us?”

    “Isn’t that a good thing?” he said. “And if so, maybe this is a Trump — maybe it’s a Trump strategy of actually supporting one groups against another, considering that you have two terrorist organizations.
     
    Congress doubled down on the trajectory Rohrabacher suggested, if not the actual act, in increasing sanctions on Iran; and Rex Tillerson short-stopped the action by putting Iran on notice that US intends regime change in Iran.

    IF the Trump administration and Republicans (and Democrats) are not at all averse to carrying out acts of terror against the Iranian parliament; and if the US foreign policy establishment at the highest level is not concerned about violating basic United Nations sanctions against interference in internal politics of a UN-member nation, then why should we be shy as a virgin and refuse to suppose, even for a fleeting, disloyal minute, that the gunfight in the Alexandria ball field was not an operation carried out by a lawless US government establishment, or a rogue element within it?

    Hear! Hear!

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  23. @KenH
    Democrats and the radical & loony left are incapable of soul searching or feeling shame. They are consumed by raw, unadulterated hatred of all non-leftists owing to the 24/7/365 hate propaganda they imbibe.

    You either agree with them or you're a knotsy deserving of death. So I don't expect that this shooting will encourage them to tone down their rhetoric and it may galvanize them even further possibly leading to copycat shootings and more violence.

    From my perspective Scalise is one of the few good guys and I just wish it would have been mushy moderate and pro-amnesty Republican Jeff the Flake who took the brunt of the shooting.

    Trump's laughable calls for unity are understandable but we're well beyond the point of political talk therapy. Either we face facts and start working out a plan for partition of America along racial and political lines or we descend into a violent civil war to control the levers of power in D.C. Since the former doesn't suit the interests of a certain (((group))) of people then the latter is a certainty especially since states and municipalities controlled by left wing Democrats are increasingly refusing to protect the lives and property of their political opponents.

    ” It may galvanize them ever further” Amen bro.

    And you can bet your bottom buck that 99% of them, deep down inside, agree with the shooting, as they agree with any action which strives to further their “Cause”.

    I can vivedly recall the German leftist anti-violence nutcases soliciting funds for the South-American leftist “Liberation” wars: Pacifists collecting money for weapons.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet and pro jazz musician.

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  24. @War for Biair Mountain
    Hodgkinson was an American HERO!!!!….we need MORE heroes like Hodgkinson gunning down these cockroaches!!!

    I am the real War for Blair Mountain…the first commenter in this thread is using my handle….With high probability it is the commenter who uses the handle “Corvinus”….who has been egging on Unz Review Commenters over the past several months to engage in political violence….

    For the record I CATEGORICALLY oppose political assasinations…the only thing I ever advocated was not voting

    Unz Review MODS…..I presume you can yell from under-the-hood-information that the first commenter in this thread is not the authentic War for Blair Mountain…but with high probability commenter “Corvinus”…who I presume is not affiliated with Unz Revirew…it would really tragic if it he or she was….

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  25. @MEexpert
    You are a sick man.

    You are responding to the fake “War for Blair Mountain”…I am the authentic War for Blair Mountain….someone is using my handle…….I strongly suspect it is commenter “Convinus” who has been egging on Unz Review commenters to commit acts of political violence for the past several months..

    I ask the Unz Review MODS to remove the comments of the commenter using my handle…

    ["Biair" isn't "Blair" though they look very similar, depending upon the font. And unfortunately, the IP doesn't reveal the commenter.]

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    Trust me...it's commenter Corvinus....for months he has been egging on Unz Readers to assassinate Politicians...just go and check out his older responses....
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  26. @David
    The real Ol' War for wouldn't say this! This is a devious someone writing BIAIR instead of BLAIR.

    If it's a regular commenter here, Mr Unz, he should be exposed.

    Thank you David…I am someone who voted enthusiastically for Donald Trump(only to dissapointed like 99 percent of all Unz Review commenters…)

    I believe the little shit who is using my handle…..is a wrinkly Old Queen in a granny gown sitting before a glowing computer screen…demographic profile of the aging National Review Readership…..of course this would finger commenter “CORVINUS”….who hasn’t gotten over the good beating that I have administered to him….

    It’s got Cornivus fingerprints all over it…Cornivus has been egging on Unz Review Commenters to commit political acts of violence for months….

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  27. @War for Blair Mountain
    You are responding to the fake "War for Blair Mountain"...I am the authentic War for Blair Mountain....someone is using my handle.......I strongly suspect it is commenter "Convinus" who has been egging on Unz Review commenters to commit acts of political violence for the past several months..

    I ask the Unz Review MODS to remove the comments of the commenter using my handle...

    ["Biair" isn't "Blair" though they look very similar, depending upon the font. And unfortunately, the IP doesn't reveal the commenter.]

    Trust me…it’s commenter Corvinus….for months he has been egging on Unz Readers to assassinate Politicians…just go and check out his older responses….

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  28. Jason Liu says:

    Overall, it wouldn’t surprise me if the left hates conservatives more than conservatives hate minorities/women etc. Especially the urban campus hipster type leftists, those people are just filled with rage.

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  29. RobinG says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Do you have evidence for any of these assertions, Pat?

    James T. Hodgkinson . . .who
    (1) aspired to end his life as a mass murderer of Republican Congressmen,
    (2) was a Donald Trump hater

    and a Bernie Sanders backer.

    Like many before him, Hodgkinson

    (3) was a malevolent man
    of the hating and hard left.

    (4) His planned atrocity . . .
     
    As for the implications in this next bit:

    . . .failed because two Capitol Hill cops were at that Alexandria baseball field, providing security for House Whip Steve Scalise. Had those cops not been there, a massacre would have ensued with many more dead than the gunman.
     
    What information do we have about whose bullet(s) injured Scalise?
    Did Hodgkinson have a history of gun ownership, gun use?
    Did he own the gun alleged to be in his possession in Alexandria? Did the bullet that went through Scalise's body come from a gun that was owned by Hodgkinson?
    As I recall, initial reports stated that Hodgkinson was "in custody," presumably, alive. When did he die? Under what circumstances? Where? Who witnessed his death? Trump made the announcement that the shooter was dead. Is "coroner" among the authorities of the presidency?

    S2, “Had those cops not been there, a massacre would have ensued with many more dead than the gunman,” is a direct quote from Rand Paul, who was at the practice. Whether that was a certainty or not, who knows, but it was Rand’s impression.

    You’re free to disbelieve whatever forensics the Alexandria Police, FBI, etc. come up with. There’s video made by a guy who was walking his dog. Scalise had been shot and was lying on the field before the Capitol Police got there. (They had been sitting in their SUV outside the field.) Perhaps you believe that Hodgkinson was just discharging wildly from the stands above the dugout, while some other shooter nailed Scalise.

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    None of what you wrote is terribly informative or persuasive -- except, perhaps, that Scalise's security detail was sitting in their van.
    What did they see and when did they see it?
    Wtf were they doing sitting in a van?

    Do we know for sure that Hodgkinson charged the field with gun blazing? Or did he approach the field, the agents in the van caught up short over-reacted and started a firefight? Was there a sniper who made the shot? Do you think that is outside the realm of the possible, given the political climate and known behaviors of key players who are manipulating the political climate?

    Just from an absolute layman's speculation on the plausibilities: It is plausible -- highly likely, even --that the security detail surveilled the field the day before -- do you agree? It is plausible someone saw H.'s van in the area; it is plausible someone -- a rogue element in the intelligence establishment, for example, identified a patsy and constructed a plan - - - (Did you catch Tom Cotton's exchange with Jeff Sessions -- Cotton said the Russia meme sounded like something out of a Jason Bourne or Silva or LeCarre novel; he asked Sessions if he watched spy movies and Sessions said No, but then he said, Yes, and everybody laughed. )

    Someone was quoted as having spoken to H.; he asked if the people on the field were R or D -- amazing: H. had an "assassination list" but did not even know who the people on the field were.

    -- And about that list: a report on Yahoo calls it an "assassination list." Really? Did the scrap of paper say, "these people must die!", or was it, maybe, a list of people at whose offices H. intended to deliver literature, or maybe get a chance to spout off to a staff member? Media is creating a narrative, but so far the evidence does not seem to support that narrative.

    A very crucial bit of information is whose bullet injured Scalise. Nothing Rand Paul said tells us where that bullet came from, and that bullet is still in Scalise's body.

    "S2C" doesn't "believe" anything about the situation (and nothing that S2C believes or doesn't believe amounts to a gaseous discharge in a windstorm). Nor am I a lawyer: the closest I've come to criminal litigation is protesting a parking ticket: in that situation, the hireling magistrate demanded EVIDENCE, not a narrative.

    But I do think, in fact insist, that more questions need to be asked and answered; that the public would do well to remain skeptical-- we've been manipulated before-- the Washington establishment and the media do not have and do not deserve our unquestioned trust; and that Congress is already going off in a self-serving and dangerous direction in response to the "narrative" of what happened in Alexandria.
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  30. virgile says:

    With its history of crimes, violence and abuses should anyone be surprised that the USA keeps producing such murderers?

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  31. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Oswald was not a Communist, did not shoot at General Edwin Walker, and did not assassinate John F. Kennedy. See

    https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/judyth-baker-lee-harvey-oswald-did-not-shoot-at-general-walker/

    The Report of the Warren Commission was a fabrication by the Deep State to deflect blame from the real conspirator: Lyndon Baines Johnson.

    Once again, Pat Buchanan fails the test as an historian.

    Well, it’s true that there is no credible evidence that “Oswald” shot at anyone, ever, (See Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry’s comment in his own book that “we never could put Oswald up there in that window”) but there is also no credible evidence that LBJ was the “real conspirator” who masterminded the assassination.

    LBJ knew the Deep State had murdered his predecessor, and admitted it late in life in a TV interview.

    LBJ was guilty of allowing the American public to be misled by the stupid (and completely false) Warren Report. The Warren Commissioners themselves had real doubts about many of the major conclusions they reached in their own report – yet those doubts were hidden from the public.

    Don’t take my word for it – that’s what WC member Gerald Ford said of Earl Warren’s role in erasing from the official transcript of the September, 1964 WC hearing the lengthy dissent of WC member Richard Russell about the single bullet theory.

    When Richard Russell explained in a recorded phone call to LBJ that he “never believed that whole bullet business”, LBJ replied “I don’t either.”

    To this day, the Deep State hides the fact that the WC members themselves did not believe key conclusions of their own report.

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  32. Perhaps you believe that Hodgkinson was just discharging wildly from the stands above the dugout, while some other shooter nailed Scalise.

    Leftist Assassination attempt Circa 1963:

    Shooting was so accurate that conspiracy theorists conclude their must have been a second shooter to account for the hits.

    Leftist Assassination Attempt Circa 2017:

    Shooting was so pitifully inaccurate that conspiracy theorists conclude their must have been a second shooter [waaaaaaay further away] to account for all the misses.

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  33. @RobinG
    S2, "Had those cops not been there, a massacre would have ensued with many more dead than the gunman," is a direct quote from Rand Paul, who was at the practice. Whether that was a certainty or not, who knows, but it was Rand's impression.

    You're free to disbelieve whatever forensics the Alexandria Police, FBI, etc. come up with. There's video made by a guy who was walking his dog. Scalise had been shot and was lying on the field before the Capitol Police got there. (They had been sitting in their SUV outside the field.) Perhaps you believe that Hodgkinson was just discharging wildly from the stands above the dugout, while some other shooter nailed Scalise.

    None of what you wrote is terribly informative or persuasive — except, perhaps, that Scalise’s security detail was sitting in their van.
    What did they see and when did they see it?
    Wtf were they doing sitting in a van?

    Do we know for sure that Hodgkinson charged the field with gun blazing? Or did he approach the field, the agents in the van caught up short over-reacted and started a firefight? Was there a sniper who made the shot? Do you think that is outside the realm of the possible, given the political climate and known behaviors of key players who are manipulating the political climate?

    Just from an absolute layman’s speculation on the plausibilities: It is plausible — highly likely, even –that the security detail surveilled the field the day before — do you agree? It is plausible someone saw H.’s van in the area; it is plausible someone — a rogue element in the intelligence establishment, for example, identified a patsy and constructed a plan – – – (Did you catch Tom Cotton’s exchange with Jeff Sessions — Cotton said the Russia meme sounded like something out of a Jason Bourne or Silva or LeCarre novel; he asked Sessions if he watched spy movies and Sessions said No, but then he said, Yes, and everybody laughed. )

    Someone was quoted as having spoken to H.; he asked if the people on the field were R or D — amazing: H. had an “assassination list” but did not even know who the people on the field were.

    – And about that list: a report on Yahoo calls it an “assassination list.” Really? Did the scrap of paper say, “these people must die!”, or was it, maybe, a list of people at whose offices H. intended to deliver literature, or maybe get a chance to spout off to a staff member? Media is creating a narrative, but so far the evidence does not seem to support that narrative.

    A very crucial bit of information is whose bullet injured Scalise. Nothing Rand Paul said tells us where that bullet came from, and that bullet is still in Scalise’s body.

    “S2C” doesn’t “believe” anything about the situation (and nothing that S2C believes or doesn’t believe amounts to a gaseous discharge in a windstorm). Nor am I a lawyer: the closest I’ve come to criminal litigation is protesting a parking ticket: in that situation, the hireling magistrate demanded EVIDENCE, not a narrative.

    But I do think, in fact insist, that more questions need to be asked and answered; that the public would do well to remain skeptical– we’ve been manipulated before– the Washington establishment and the media do not have and do not deserve our unquestioned trust; and that Congress is already going off in a self-serving and dangerous direction in response to the “narrative” of what happened in Alexandria.

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    Dude, you will never be satisfied!

    "...that bullet.." Of course. [LOL.]

    Which is why I said, "You’re free to disbelieve whatever forensics...." Because when they recover the bullet (and did I hear that it had fragmented?)
    you can debate the ballistics report, say the forensics are compromised, assets to the conspiracy.... Yadda, yadda. yadda.
    , @RobinG
    FBI announced today that it was a single shooter. On another note, maybe if I bury this here all the pathetic racist trolls will overlook it. This interview (almost monologue) is amazing -so many things confirmed- and she keeps referring to the details being in her book.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Dfdi9LBH8
    The Battle Between The Empire Deep State & The Pilgrims Is Being Waged In The US: Cynthia McKinney
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  34. I am really surprised that Pat wrote an essay of such drivel.

    There is really no way to separate out left\right violence considering that both promote it but in different ways. Violence of the Left may be more disorganized or less centralized while the Right’s form of violence is just the opposite.

    Left style violence tends to be more individual or small groups, though there are exceptions. Right style violence is promoted by such outfits as the KKK, the Red Brigade (worse than the KKK), the FBI (unfortunately), and other such groups. The CIA is our current grand example of a right-winged organization that has gone hog-wild with violence; like a spree-killer drunk on murder…

    In terms of presidencies, both democratic and republican have been responsible for the US’ constant wars, depraved interventions, and assassinations across the globe.

    The political monikers don’t discriminate when it comes to bringing harm to others.

    As to the JFK assassination, it has been well proven and documented that if Oswald was involved at all, it was simply as a patsy for the people who actually did the killing. Just because the government continues to deny this doesn’t mean it “ain’t” so…

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  35. The “Red Brigade” is most definitely not a “right wing organisation. Obviously you are unaware of the multiple “Red brigades” which have been waging terrorism for leftist causes world-wide for decades.
    In Germany they have kidnapped and murdered bankers and conservative politicians since the sixties. They are hard-core communists, period.

    And as far as the CIA being a “right wing” this is pure bullshit, as it is staffed with democrat appointees, who are waging war on DT this very minute.

    Just where do you leftist Dummkoepfe come up with your nonsense.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  36. Given that the Republicans and Democrats are all right-wing shits, how many people have US governments killed since, eg, WWII? Or were these all “legal”?

    Given the author’s journalism background, maybe I shouldn’t be surprised at the drivel.

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    " Given that Republicans and Democrats are all right-wing shits"

    Okay so who then are the "Left-wing shits"?

    Seeing as you are obviously a left-winger I would guess that in your point of view there is no such animal as a left-wing "shit", seeing as all left-wingers are simply pulling for the cause, regardless of their tactics: violence, murder, lies, etc.


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  37. @SolontoCroesus
    "Put down the bottle."

    Asking for facts & chain of evidence is drunken behavior?

    I don't think so.
    I think it's essential to approach the situation with critical skepticism.

    imo Buchanan dashed off a rather thoughtless and basically pointless rant; he's entitled to rant, but he has a megaphone, and it's too bad he didn't use it to better effect in this article.

    If Pat had wanted to highlight patterns, he might have noted the curious fact that, just as in Orlando and Paris and Manchester and London and so many other instances of "terror" "massacre," the shooter ends up dead but he is clearly identified. Am I the only one who finds that pattern suspect?

    I maintain there are a lot of open questions regarding the shooting of Scalise by "Hodgkinson."

    I track C Span -- I don't watch any other cable or broadcast news/infotainment. I consider C Span to be a tool controlled by the deep state, dedicated to the purpose of shaping/conditioning the public mind -- formatting the mass cognitive map. When I listen to C Span I pay careful attention to what is NOT said; what is pointedly (from my perspective) avoided or, if such a point is accidentally raised by a caller, that unacceptable point is buried by one technique or another.

    C Span has guided the 'public' discourse to reaffirm an ordained narrative: everybody agrees that Hodgkinson shot Scalise because he hated Trump/Republicans; "40" or "50" shot were fired -- which one hit Scalise? who shot Hodgkinson? These are not difficult questions to resolve but the information is important.

    In C Span- think, the solution(s) to evil acts like this are:
    1. arm Congress
    2. get guns out of the hands of the public
    3. get more guns into the hands of the public
    4. provide more mental health coverage
    5. promote greater civility in discourse

    "Blame" for this situation is vested, primarily, in the nasty rhetoric of Trump; in the divisiveness of the political parties in Congress; in the gun lobby and gun makers; and economic stressors that have aggravated the public to the point that some less-mentally stable people implode/act out.

    NO MENTION whatsoever of what seems to me the most obvious causal factor: the US solves problems by killing: it is a militarized culture. The American people are led to cheer when a "bad guy" is killed; Americans snore when masses of innocent citizens in far away places are killed by US action or proxies.

    NO MENTION that it is not possible to control or call to account Congress by any means: budgets & massive debt are meaningless to Congress: the Fed will print more paper. Congress does not fear its electorate, it fears its financiers. "BIair Mountain" - a first-time commenter & an insidious form of sock puppet, nevertheless reflected a sentiment that we would do well to consider seriously: Congress responds to NO OTHER form of popular activism: millions protested against Iraq war -- they were brushed aside; hundreds of thousands phoned & messaged Congress in opposition to a bank bail out; they were ignored. Congress responds only to Netanyahu and lobby money. This shooting was a wake-up call to Congress: they are not as invulnerable as they have been habituated to believe over long years of carrying on without accountability.

    Some may object, but it seems to me one of the most obvious comparisons C Span producers should have called upon would be the attack in Iran -- on Iran's parliament, no less. The fact that C Span chose not to deal with that obvious parallel action causes this tinfoil hatted individual to suspect that US government was complicit in the attack in Iran. Dana Rohrabacher, no stranger to off - the-wall utterances, said it was a "good thing" that ISIS killed 12 people in Iran's seat of government:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/337274-gop-lawmaker-wasnt-isis-terror-attack-in-iran-a-good-thing

    Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) said during a House hearing on Hezbollah “isn’t a good thing for us to have the United States finally backing up Sunnis who will attack Hezbollah and the Shiite threat to us?”

    “Isn’t that a good thing?” he said. “And if so, maybe this is a Trump — maybe it’s a Trump strategy of actually supporting one groups against another, considering that you have two terrorist organizations.
     
    Congress doubled down on the trajectory Rohrabacher suggested, if not the actual act, in increasing sanctions on Iran; and Rex Tillerson short-stopped the action by putting Iran on notice that US intends regime change in Iran.

    IF the Trump administration and Republicans (and Democrats) are not at all averse to carrying out acts of terror against the Iranian parliament; and if the US foreign policy establishment at the highest level is not concerned about violating basic United Nations sanctions against interference in internal politics of a UN-member nation, then why should we be shy as a virgin and refuse to suppose, even for a fleeting, disloyal minute, that the gunfight in the Alexandria ball field was not an operation carried out by a lawless US government establishment, or a rogue element within it?

    SolontoCroesus,

    Excellent post.

    If a foreign government kills innocent people, then is killing innocent people of that foreign government legitimate?

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  38. @Anonyme
    I'm no expert on weapons or hunting, but if you're going to shoot congressmen, shouldn't you use a varmint rifle?

    Perhaps a Mannlicher Carcano Rifle which, with only one bullet, can shoot two people, exit, change direction, re-enter victims, disappear, deposit itself and hide on a gurney, and suddenly appear again at a convenient time. The only drawback is its inconsistency.

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  39. RobinG says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    None of what you wrote is terribly informative or persuasive -- except, perhaps, that Scalise's security detail was sitting in their van.
    What did they see and when did they see it?
    Wtf were they doing sitting in a van?

    Do we know for sure that Hodgkinson charged the field with gun blazing? Or did he approach the field, the agents in the van caught up short over-reacted and started a firefight? Was there a sniper who made the shot? Do you think that is outside the realm of the possible, given the political climate and known behaviors of key players who are manipulating the political climate?

    Just from an absolute layman's speculation on the plausibilities: It is plausible -- highly likely, even --that the security detail surveilled the field the day before -- do you agree? It is plausible someone saw H.'s van in the area; it is plausible someone -- a rogue element in the intelligence establishment, for example, identified a patsy and constructed a plan - - - (Did you catch Tom Cotton's exchange with Jeff Sessions -- Cotton said the Russia meme sounded like something out of a Jason Bourne or Silva or LeCarre novel; he asked Sessions if he watched spy movies and Sessions said No, but then he said, Yes, and everybody laughed. )

    Someone was quoted as having spoken to H.; he asked if the people on the field were R or D -- amazing: H. had an "assassination list" but did not even know who the people on the field were.

    -- And about that list: a report on Yahoo calls it an "assassination list." Really? Did the scrap of paper say, "these people must die!", or was it, maybe, a list of people at whose offices H. intended to deliver literature, or maybe get a chance to spout off to a staff member? Media is creating a narrative, but so far the evidence does not seem to support that narrative.

    A very crucial bit of information is whose bullet injured Scalise. Nothing Rand Paul said tells us where that bullet came from, and that bullet is still in Scalise's body.

    "S2C" doesn't "believe" anything about the situation (and nothing that S2C believes or doesn't believe amounts to a gaseous discharge in a windstorm). Nor am I a lawyer: the closest I've come to criminal litigation is protesting a parking ticket: in that situation, the hireling magistrate demanded EVIDENCE, not a narrative.

    But I do think, in fact insist, that more questions need to be asked and answered; that the public would do well to remain skeptical-- we've been manipulated before-- the Washington establishment and the media do not have and do not deserve our unquestioned trust; and that Congress is already going off in a self-serving and dangerous direction in response to the "narrative" of what happened in Alexandria.

    Dude, you will never be satisfied!

    “…that bullet..” Of course. [LOL.]

    Which is why I said, “You’re free to disbelieve whatever forensics….” Because when they recover the bullet (and did I hear that it had fragmented?)
    you can debate the ballistics report, say the forensics are compromised, assets to the conspiracy…. Yadda, yadda. yadda.

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  40. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Oswald was not a Communist, did not shoot at General Edwin Walker, and did not assassinate John F. Kennedy. See

    https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/judyth-baker-lee-harvey-oswald-did-not-shoot-at-general-walker/

    The Report of the Warren Commission was a fabrication by the Deep State to deflect blame from the real conspirator: Lyndon Baines Johnson.

    Once again, Pat Buchanan fails the test as an historian.

    I have no idea and less care whether Oswald shot Kennedy or Walker, but surely it’s fairly established that he was a Communist, even attempting to defect to Russia (and coming back when he found it didn’t really suit him)?

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  41. @Horseguards
    Given that the Republicans and Democrats are all right-wing shits, how many people have US governments killed since, eg, WWII? Or were these all "legal"?

    Given the author's journalism background, maybe I shouldn't be surprised at the drivel.

    ” Given that Republicans and Democrats are all right-wing shits”

    Okay so who then are the “Left-wing shits”?

    Seeing as you are obviously a left-winger I would guess that in your point of view there is no such animal as a left-wing “shit”, seeing as all left-wingers are simply pulling for the cause, regardless of their tactics: violence, murder, lies, etc.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet , and pro jazz artist.

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  42. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Oswald was not a Communist, did not shoot at General Edwin Walker, and did not assassinate John F. Kennedy. See

    https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/judyth-baker-lee-harvey-oswald-did-not-shoot-at-general-walker/

    The Report of the Warren Commission was a fabrication by the Deep State to deflect blame from the real conspirator: Lyndon Baines Johnson.

    Once again, Pat Buchanan fails the test as an historian.

    “Oswald was not a Communist…”

    Here’s a photograph of his handwritten request for membership in the Communist Party USA.

    http://www.antiquetrader.com/antiques/antiques-americana/historical-pieces-including-lee-harvey-oswald-letter-headlining-700-lot-auction

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  43. Tiny Duck says:

    Leftists “hate” conservatives because conservatives are racist sexist and afraid to share power with margiilized groups

    You started this fight we are going to finish it

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    What's this "we" micropeen?

    - Leonard Pitts
     
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  44. RobinG says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    None of what you wrote is terribly informative or persuasive -- except, perhaps, that Scalise's security detail was sitting in their van.
    What did they see and when did they see it?
    Wtf were they doing sitting in a van?

    Do we know for sure that Hodgkinson charged the field with gun blazing? Or did he approach the field, the agents in the van caught up short over-reacted and started a firefight? Was there a sniper who made the shot? Do you think that is outside the realm of the possible, given the political climate and known behaviors of key players who are manipulating the political climate?

    Just from an absolute layman's speculation on the plausibilities: It is plausible -- highly likely, even --that the security detail surveilled the field the day before -- do you agree? It is plausible someone saw H.'s van in the area; it is plausible someone -- a rogue element in the intelligence establishment, for example, identified a patsy and constructed a plan - - - (Did you catch Tom Cotton's exchange with Jeff Sessions -- Cotton said the Russia meme sounded like something out of a Jason Bourne or Silva or LeCarre novel; he asked Sessions if he watched spy movies and Sessions said No, but then he said, Yes, and everybody laughed. )

    Someone was quoted as having spoken to H.; he asked if the people on the field were R or D -- amazing: H. had an "assassination list" but did not even know who the people on the field were.

    -- And about that list: a report on Yahoo calls it an "assassination list." Really? Did the scrap of paper say, "these people must die!", or was it, maybe, a list of people at whose offices H. intended to deliver literature, or maybe get a chance to spout off to a staff member? Media is creating a narrative, but so far the evidence does not seem to support that narrative.

    A very crucial bit of information is whose bullet injured Scalise. Nothing Rand Paul said tells us where that bullet came from, and that bullet is still in Scalise's body.

    "S2C" doesn't "believe" anything about the situation (and nothing that S2C believes or doesn't believe amounts to a gaseous discharge in a windstorm). Nor am I a lawyer: the closest I've come to criminal litigation is protesting a parking ticket: in that situation, the hireling magistrate demanded EVIDENCE, not a narrative.

    But I do think, in fact insist, that more questions need to be asked and answered; that the public would do well to remain skeptical-- we've been manipulated before-- the Washington establishment and the media do not have and do not deserve our unquestioned trust; and that Congress is already going off in a self-serving and dangerous direction in response to the "narrative" of what happened in Alexandria.

    FBI announced today that it was a single shooter. On another note, maybe if I bury this here all the pathetic racist trolls will overlook it. This interview (almost monologue) is amazing -so many things confirmed- and she keeps referring to the details being in her book.

    The Battle Between The Empire Deep State & The Pilgrims Is Being Waged In The US: Cynthia McKinney

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  45. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Leftists "hate" conservatives because conservatives are racist sexist and afraid to share power with margiilized groups

    You started this fight we are going to finish it

    What’s this “we” micropeen?

    – Leonard Pitts

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